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Title: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 07:23:47 PM
I realize the 2006-2007 season has not come to a close... but its not too early to look ahead and that means a new conference in the Mid-Atlantic or Atlantic Region (Pat is so thoughtfully linking this posting board to both regions!).

So... welcome to Catholic, Drew, Goucher, Juniata, Merchant Marine, Moravian, Scranton, and Susquehanna to the new "Landmark Conference." While I don't think an "official" website has been launched, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference) already has a page about the conference, so enjoy the quick read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference).

Now... some news to know:

- Schedule:
After much debate (from what I heard), the conference has decided on a combination of a Friday/Saturday and Saturday/Sunday schedule.
Half of the schools wanted on version, the other wanted half. I know a tentative schedule has been decided on with at least dates... with the first games taking place on Dec. 1st, 4th, and 5th between travel partnerts and the final game will be Feb. 23rd - again between travel partners. The first true travel weekend will be Jan. 11th and 12th.
Also, the first game of the weekend will be played in the evenings... the second during the afternoon (unless it is on Saturday and a school gets permission to play at night as well).

- Travel Partners are as follows:
Catholic & Goucher
Juniata & Susquehanna
Scranton & Moravian
Merchant Marine & Drew

- Conference Championship Tournaments:
I believe this will only involve the top four teams with the first round being played on Wednesday, Feb. 27th at the higher seeds.
The championship game will be played on Saturday, March 1st - also at the higher seeds.
Unless it changes, this conference will have to withstand two years of Pool B - no automatic qualification - for two years.

I think that about covers it for now... let the posting... begin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 20, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
I posted this in the Freedom section, but thought it might be also useful it upload the new logo in here.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy50%2Fcentralpasucks%2Flandmarklogo1.jpg&hash=c077bd4695058538441d6e0b71bf0780bd399059)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 07:36:44 PM
Yep... that is indeed the logo... just haven't had a copy to show :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 20, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
d-mac:

For what it's worth, some folks are referring to this new collation as the "Landmine Conference."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 08:29:03 PM
People also refer to the CAC as the "caca" and there are various other nicknames for other leagues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 08:31:38 PM
d-mac your already leaving us at the cac's we love your insight but i guess it was going to happen eventually. 

Very intresting how the landmark will be different from the cac's. 

good luck
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 08:56:32 PM
Salem... considering I post and read many sites and boards... I assure you I will not be leaving the CAC board!

Warren - I am sure there are PLENTY more ideas out there!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 08:58:35 PM
The Landmark and Pool B should not be much of a problem in 2007-08.

Maryville TN has always been there.  Lincoln is moving to D2.  The NathCon seemed to eliminate all but Aurora, which was a Pool B in the old NIIC.  The Pres AC takes its 7 teams to Pool A next year, so that is basically a wash.  Clarke moves to the NAIA.  Colorado College moves to the SCAC.  What happens with the NEAC and the various Northeast independents is worth watching. 

The thing that I want to see is what the calculations for the Pool B bids do in 2007-08.  This year, the calculation was one team shy (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2870.705) in the numerator of providing a 4th Pool B.  That at-large bid went over to Pool C.

In 2008-09,  it is a different matter.  The NAthCon takes 12 teams out of the numerator in Pool B into Pool A, but Aurora with them as well.  That is worth about 1.3 bids as the calculation suggests, and only 2 Pool B bids may be allocated for the tourney in 2009.  Is that the year that Chapman sneaks?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
Hey, new digs.
Whatever happened to Marco Sutaro?
Gotta love that Landmark Logo.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 09:13:09 PM
I'm going to be interested in seeing who Scranton & the other Landmark members schedule for the "non-con" games. Will they start with some old names in the old conference or are those options non-existant? Will they turn to the Centennial for a few? This will be interesting as new schedules need to be developed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2007, 10:50:12 PM
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 11:24:54 PM
Until the league gets an AQ they probably won't change the regions of its members. But I would put it in the Atlantic. That region is small and could use some balancing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2007, 02:16:55 AM
Cold_Case:

Marco Scutaro...ha.

I'm still here, though I abandoned that moniker.  Still have a soft spot for him, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2007, 07:44:27 AM
Might I suggest Gordon "Royce Ring" Mann?

Pat, don't forget about the PAC.  Y'know, the Poor A** Conference.  (Pathetic Athletic Conference?)

No AQ for 2 years?  I forgot about that prospect.  Though, I imagine the selection committee might like slightly more favorably on a solid "conference champ" here.

Is it too soon for a "It is now 7:45 AM, Eastern Standard Time, MAC Freedom is gone, Landmine is here... and Scranton still sucks!" ??  Too soon?  Alright...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 09:15:46 AM
Glad the detractors....WT and CJ have posted on the first page of the Landmark Board....thanks guys!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 11:30:12 AM
Does anyone know if CUA or GOU will play non-conference games with CAC teams?
Would love to play CUA out of conference! Plus its easier  for me to get to!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 11:30:12 AM
Does anyone know if CUA or GOU will play non-conference games with CAC teams?
Would love to play CUA out of conference! Plus its easier  for me to get to!

I would be surprised if Catholic doesn't play many of the CAC schools in non-conference games, including Mary Washington.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 09:24:35 AM
Well, there's a few I could do without ever seeing again...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...


So am I going to have to hear this every 5th post or so like on the CAC board?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 22, 2007, 01:29:42 PM
York is trying to play Catholic as a non-confrence opponent.   i know they are trying to keep a semi rivalry that has been building over the last couple of years with the cardinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2007, 10:50:12 PM
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2007, 10:50:12 PM
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?

Ralph:

I've been told that Lycoming is moving to the Commonwealth from the Freedom.
No official word on the new seventh member.

At the same time, who knows just how this will shake out? Or, perhaps, those who do know aren't talking ... yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...


So am I going to have to hear this every 5th post or so like on the CAC board?

Nah.  Maybe a few times in the beginning of the year, but until/unless we get to #11, probably not.

Next year, Catholic is going to have (literally) no seniors, and like 2 juniors, so...that's going to be interesting. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Ah... I believe the MAC has a couple of years to fix things before losing the AQ. They will still have it next year. And Warren... I don't think anyone in the MAC (higher-ups) knows what's going on or how to fix it. They have been very SLOW to react to something we have now known for over a year and half.

And the NCAA decides which region. Pat Coleman thinks Atlantic... I think Mid-Atlantic... and I personally think the regions need to be redrawn and conferences moved across the country. That may just be my off season project!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach K on February 23, 2007, 05:40:45 AM
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 06:46:37 AM
Quote from: Coach K on February 23, 2007, 05:40:45 AM
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Why don't you ask that in the MAC rooms... not the Landmark!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 08:34:43 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.

Warren, you have this knack for saying what I'm thinking...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 23, 2007, 06:46:37 AM
Quote from: Coach K on February 23, 2007, 05:40:45 AM
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Why don't you ask that in the MAC rooms... not the Landmark!

Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:52:57 AM
Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
How am I supposed to know when I suspect the MAC doesn't even know?!

The MAC has been behind the ball since the day the Landmark Conference was HINTED about. They have three more schools looking to jump ship... and they pretend that they are going to be ok. The only thing they have going for them right now is the fact the NCAA isn't going to take away the AQ's right away (believe they have two years to fix their home before losing those).

And I will be the first to tell you I don't know everything... but you are the one who put the "title" on. Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 09:05:47 AM
Don't let CC get to ya, D-Mac.  He enjoys playing devil's advocate.  Or, he might actually be Satan.  Not sure.

And hey, congrats, Scranton is now officially freed of all their Freedom men's basketball duties.  They're yours!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2007, 10:50:12 PM
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?

Ralph:

I've been told that Lycoming is moving to the Commonwealth from the Freedom.
No official word on the new seventh member.

At the same time, who knows just how this will shake out? Or, perhaps, those who do know aren't talking ... yet.  ;)

WT, thanks.  This topic should make for some interesting off-season banter.  The 2-year "probation" that the NCAA gives to retain the AQ's will drive this, especially as everyone observes the demise of the AWCC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 23, 2007, 09:43:54 AM
Matt...which CAC teams would you like to see Catholic continue to play as out of conference games.
Mary Wash, Marymount, and York would be teams I would like to see a rivalry continue with.
I'll be happy to be done with Gallaudet. I could go either way on Salisbury and St. Marys, and although there isn't really a rivalry with Hood yet, I think it would be good to find a place for them on the schedule if they remain competitive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2007, 10:08:46 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 08:34:43 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.

Warren, you have this knack for saying what I'm thinking...


And yet the league hasn't even had its first game yet, nor the forum reached the 5th page...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 23, 2007, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 23, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:52:57 AM
Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
How am I supposed to know when I suspect the MAC doesn't even know?!

The MAC has been behind the ball since the day the Landmark Conference was HINTED about. They have three more schools looking to jump ship... and they pretend that they are going to be ok. The only thing they have going for them right now is the fact the NCAA isn't going to take away the AQ's right away (believe they have two years to fix their home before losing those).

And I will be the first to tell you I don't know everything... but you are the one who put the "title" on. Thanks!

While nothing definite is being noised abroad, there's noticeably something in the air about the future of the MAC. Whether this "something" has substance and becomes a story with legs is still unclear (at least to me).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2007, 06:41:57 PM
CJ: If you're not interested in talking about Scranton or the "Landmine" any longer...why keep showing up? I mean let's be honest, it's killing you that Wilkes is left behind with that other school down the street & your games to now get excited about are with Manhattenville, Arcadia & the various Bible Institutes. Who knows, perhaps Luzerne CCC will be a new rival in another year or so. Hang in there & remember the new Wilkes battlecry: Beat Del.Valley!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 12:08:48 AM
Quote from: muchacho on February 23, 2007, 09:43:54 AM
Matt...which CAC teams would you like to see Catholic continue to play as out of conference games.
Mary Wash, Marymount, and York would be teams I would like to see a rivalry continue with.
I'll be happy to be done with Gallaudet. I could go either way on Salisbury and St. Marys, and although there isn't really a rivalry with Hood yet, I think it would be good to find a place for them on the schedule if they remain competitive.

To be honest, the only teams I'd have much interest in still playing are York and Hood.   Catholic and Mary Washington have had great games over the years, but if I were the Cardinals I'd be tired of playing in that ridiculous gym where there has been safety problems over the years.  Plus, I'm just tired of Rod Wood. 

I'd be really wary of Marymount, too--way too much drama.  Always something.  The funny thing is that they think they're some kind of rival, I guess based on the fact that they got one big win against us in 2002 when we were in the top 5.  But I hate playing in their gym because their scorers table always makes mistakes in their favor and nobody knows the rules.  As for the other teams in the league, I'm with you..rather not play Gallaudet any more, ambivalent on the others.

I think York and Hood will be quality teams year in year out because they're good programs and seem to be attracting good kids.    Be interesting to see how the championship game goes with Hood--you've got a natural connection there already with a former Cardinals starting PG's dad as the coach!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 03:05:42 AM
Scranton folks, as long as we're sharing our list of teams we don't want to play anymore, how about yours? :)

I am keeping my list private but I did share it with someone who has some influence on scheduling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 10:10:56 AM
I was thinking about whether I should even go there, but then I figured, what the heck, the league is over after today anyway, and its just my personal opinion...

But you know what?  Really, I just want them to put together the best non-conference schedule possible that will help them get that Pool B bid next year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 24, 2007, 05:00:43 PM
Over/under on amount of time before the Landmark Conference's board has more posts than the Commonwealth's: start of 2007-08 season

I'm going with the under.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach K on February 24, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
Doesn't Arcadia slip into the MAC Freedom next year? That gives the Freedom 7 teams, with Scranton and Drew leaving, and adding them. Weakens the conference towards the top.

The Landmark should be a quality basketball league right out of the gate!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
Pat,
    I don't want to play anyone that we don't have any connection with like recent foes Clarkson, Hartwick, Pratt Institute, Chestnut Hill. Can skip FDU since we'll still be in New Jersey with Drew.
    Would like to still play Kings and Wilkes. Don't ever remember not playing Kings twice a year, even when we weren't in the same conference.
Maybe a Holiday tournament revival.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
Pat,
    I don't want to play anyone that we don't have any connection with like recent foes Clarkson, Hartwick, Pratt Institute, Chestnut Hill. Can skip FDU since we'll still be in New Jersey with Drew.
    Would like to still play Kings and Wilkes. Don't ever remember not playing Kings twice a year, even when we weren't in the same conference.
Maybe a Holiday tournament revival.


I would love to continue to play Kings and Wilkes as well...but don't think it will happen in the short term. Next year can't get here soon enough...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.


Wonderful....GO MESSIAH.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:17:10 AM
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:17:10 AM
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.

Throw everything out the window when it come to the tourny! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:17:10 AM
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.

You didn't expect Catholic to have a tough opener, did you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
To be honest, espcially at this level, I think almost anybody is a tough opener.

I wouldn't want to be Hood playing H-S, either.  I don't care if they do have 10 losses.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.

This is a regional. Sectionals are the next weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
Right.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:12:41 PM
Messiah will beat Catholic...write it down
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 12:32:58 PM
Thanks for the support, Salem.

Any predictions for Hood while you're at it.

(I remember all the York people who wanted CAC unity last year.  Guess that went out the window...)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:40:04 PM
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 12:43:04 PM
So far we have...


1. Landmine Conference
2. Landfill Conference


Let it all out fellas..


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 12:55:14 PM
Messiah versus Catholic.......as someone has already pointed out, the game has a Spiritual tone to it  ;D .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 01:04:05 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:40:04 PM
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you

Because until this season is over, Catholic is carrying the CAC flag in the tournament.

Now, look, I personally could care less.  Most of the other fans in the league hate us anyway--there's a word for that, actually---jealousy.  That's fine. 

But the bottom line is that if Catholic does well in the tournament, that reflects well on the CAC, and in turn, York.  So that's why you should care.

But its not any skin off of my nose.  The irony is that York is probably the team I have the most respect for other than us in the CAC, so I do tend to expect a little more from York fans. 

And I hate to tell you Salem--but lets be honest--without Catholic, where is the CAC?  Catholic put that conference on the map.  Its going to be up to Hood and York and a few others to KEEP it on the map.  But if I was in the position of somebody who is in the Catholic-less CAC, I'd hardly be putting down another conference. 

Year in, year out, given the quality of the institutions in the Landmark, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it passes the CAC. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 01:04:05 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:40:04 PM
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you

Because until this season is over, Catholic is carrying the CAC flag in the tournament.

Now, look, I personally could care less.  Most of the other fans in the league hate us anyway--there's a word for that, actually---jealousy.  That's fine. 

But the bottom line is that if Catholic does well in the tournament, that reflects well on the CAC, and in turn, York.  So that's why you should care.

But its not any skin off of my nose.  The irony is that York is probably the team I have the most respect for other than us in the CAC, so I do tend to expect a little more from York fans. 

And I hate to tell you Salem--but lets be honest--without Catholic, where is the CAC?  Catholic put that conference on the map.  Its going to be up to Hood and York and a few others to KEEP it on the map.  But if I was in the position of somebody who is in the Catholic-less CAC, I'd hardly be putting down another conference. 

Year in, year out, given the quality of the institutions in the Landmark, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it passes the CAC.   Already, Catholic and Scranton are a better 1-2 than anything in the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
I disagree with you.  You love your Cardinals and I respect that.  I respect Catholic more then any team.  The last 3 years have really built the rivalry.  Its just to bad there leaving. 

That being said your right in basketball the CAC will be better the Landmark.  We are losing a traditional power in CAtholic and will be real tough.  If Hood wins 2 games it will reflect more on the future of the CAC then Catholic winning 2 games. 

I think the Landmark Conf will hurt Catholic with the rivalries more then help.  Most of the teams are no where near Catholic.  But whatever I can go on all day, Catholic is Miami, they think there better then the CAC and bolted, 3 years later there a 6-6 football team and the Big East went 5-0 in bowl games.  Yes I know long shot sceniro but leaving a conf is not always a good thing!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:03:41 PM
Well actually I said the opposite...Landmark will be better than CAC, in my humble opinion.

Yes, it will be great if Hood wins a few games too.  But all I'm saying is that THIS year, Catholic played a CAC schedule and in fact took some hits, so if they have a nice tournament run, its still a good thing for the CAC.

After we're officially gone, I certainly wouldn't expect anybody else from the CAC to care how we do.

And for the record, Catholic leaving the CAC was not about "thinking they were better" than the CAC.  It was a desire to be in a more geographically diverse conference that has more schools like them in it.   As has been said, I don't think this was a basketball decision as much as a big picture athletics decision.  There comes a point when a $30,000 a year school trying to attract a lacrosse player just can't compete with a $14,000 a year school in the same league.

Basketball is different because of the tradition and history--if you come play at Catholic, you can pretty much take it to the bank that your season is not ending in February.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:09:39 PM
thats all politically crap...York competes in almost all sports with catholic and it fact does better in a lot of sports.  Its catholic trying to "think" there above everyone else.  And please the CAC will be much better as a whole then the Landmark in every sport.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on February 26, 2007, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:09:39 PM
thats all politically crap...York competes in almost all sports with catholic and it fact does better in a lot of sports.  Its catholic trying to "think" there above everyone else.  And please the CAC will be much better as a whole then the Landmark in every sport.

Yeah. Like-minded institutions, where the students know how to spell "they're" and "than."

And institutions where they can understand a simple debate -- we are saying in fact that Catholic can't compete for student-athletes with low-cost institutions and state schools. So, duh, if York does better in a lot of sports that actually proves our argument, not yours.

We'll take the CAC in women's basketball, in volleyball, and I think in men's basketball too. And that's just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:22:44 PM
And York is one of the least expensive private schools in the entire country.  You just proved my point!

I just looked it up...tuition is $11,160 dollars at York.  At Catholic, its $27,700.  Total cost of York is just over $20k a year with room and board.  At Catholic, its over $40k.   Catholic and Goucher alone in the league are in that stratosphere cost-wise.  If you think that has no impact on attracting students, you're crazy.

You can call that "political crap," but I call it reality.  


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
point well taken...i agree with you in some aspects

but dont tell me the Landmark is better then CAC  it just is not.  York against other Landmark schools are better as a whole in most sports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:34:19 PM
I didn't tell you that.  I just said that in a few years time, I wouldn't be surprised if Landmark passed the CAC.   And I was talking about basketball. 

Already, I think most neutral observers would agree that the Catholic-Scranton combo is better than the top two teams in the CAC just in terms of program (and recent) history.  The concern about Landmark will be what the bottom of the league looks like, but that concern always has been present in the CAC.  I mean, will the worst team in Landmark really be worse than Gallaudet was this year?  Some of the Landmark schools have actually shown some real improvement this year, and I expect that to continue.

Frankly, I think there is a real opportunity for a school like York or Hood to just totally dominate the CAC.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
point well taken...i agree with you in some aspects

but dont tell me the Landmark is better then CAC  it just is not.  York against other Landmark schools are better as a whole in most sports.

Wow you should form a group with Colonel John and Warren Thompson.


York is one school in the CAC; they may be better than some Landmark schools in some sports. But I don't think you want to break down York vs. all Landmark schools in all sports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:35:59 PM
i agree with you maybe in due time...York has already started to dominate many sports in CAC's are mostly top 2 or 3 in most!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 03:03:48 PM
Permit me to enter into CAC/Landmark discussion, but I think Salisbury has won the last couple of CAC all sports championships  :) .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2007, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: Cardinal guy on February 26, 2007, 02:20:11 PM
We'll take the CAC in women's basketball, in volleyball, and I think in men's basketball too. And that's just off the top of my head.

Juniata alone will do the trick in volleyball. I'd guess the Landmark won't be too shabby in lacrosse, either, although Salisbury will keep the CAC flag pretty high.

I almost feel sorry for Merchant Marine in this conversation... all this "you're leaving the MAC/CAC" hate going on, everyone's ignoring them.  ;) Any of their fans out there?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 03:33:53 PM
The Grove:

While Juniata has the Volleyball championships, Salisbury has won a few Field Hockey National Championships lately  :) .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2007, 03:45:56 PM
You'll notice I also conveniently left out soccer, too (*cough*Messiah*cough*)  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:06:50 PM
Messiah and York could arguably be 1 and 2 when the polls come out in the fall for men's soccer.

York three years in a row national coach of the year (basketball, wrestling, soccer).

I dont think Catholic was better then York in womens basketball.  Mary Wash was top 15.

I think the CAC's is better then the LAndmark especially in both soccer, basketball, I was going to say wrestling but most schools dont have it.  Give York a little credit from where they have come from til now over the last 5 years.  They are the dominant power in the major sports in the CAC!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 04:19:10 PM
Well, honestly I was really only talking about basketball, since that's what this thread is devoted to.  I never really followed any other sport at CUA so I'm not knowledgeable enough about the other teams in the CAC and Landmark in other sports. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:25:45 PM
Matt-

I was just putting it out there for debate....
....I will miss Catholic and York last 3 years they split and it was always a good game (not the 2006 @ york or 2007 @ catholic).  It was always intense wheather it was home or away.  So i will miss that aspect!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 04:29:48 PM
One final Salisbury post.  The Seagulls were National runner-up last year in Women's Lacrosse and have won 6 CAC titles and 8 NCAA post seasons appearance

Salisbury's women softball tean has 10 straight CAC titles and a couple of World Series appearance, and was national runner-up in 2003 and 2005.  The Lady Gulls were third in 2004.

The Salisbury Baseball team also has 2 World Series appearance 6 CAC titles and are currently ranked #16 nationally.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 04:34:53 PM
Wow. I thought the Freedom board's bombing of Scranton this year was something, but this equally as bad.
I'm sure by the end of it's first season, we'll all find out if the CAC will be better than the Landmark or if the Landmark will be their equal.
CAC fans must be aware that many Landmark schools have rich traditions they are bringing to the table.
I'm sure you know the success of Catholic's men basketball program and I'm positive they have other solid programs as well.
Scranton has won two men's basketball national titles and is always among the stronger programs in the nation; their women's program has a national title in basketball along with appearing in eight Final Fours.
That's not a bad start and I only mentioned two of the eight schools.
And it's not like the above two programs can go out and get whoever they want. Hint: I'm talking tuition, among other things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 04:36:24 PM
Juniata has a nasty women's volleyball team. Its field hockey team also was pretty good and was ranked throughout the season. (It didn't win the Commonwealth, but that's a given with Messiah in your conference). Juniata's Kim Wagner returns after her first-team All America season last year with 31 goals.

SU's golf team has been impressive in the past. It had a streak of 14 or 15 consecutive MAC championships that was ended a few seasons ago. It also boasts good track and field teams.

Moravian's softball team is currently ranked 15th in pre-season D3 polls.

Merchant Marine is supposed to have good swimming teams, or so I have heard.

Scranton women's basketball is a given.

As far as men's basketball goes, Juniata is bring back a good team. Susquehanna isn't graduating anybody on its team and will feature a healthy Josh Robinson. Scranton and Catholic are sure to return good teams. Merchant Marine will be returning three players that averaged at least 10 points per game.

You also have to realize that 3/8 of the Landmark's teams stood in Messiah's shadow for how many seasons. In 2005, Messiah won national championships in, I believe, three Fall sports and gave up less than ten goals in them combined.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:43:23 PM
lets try to stick to major sports...baseball, softball, basketball, soccer, field hockey, and lax...sorry golf and track
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 04:43:35 PM
The Susquehanna-Catholic basketball game this year was one of the best games of the season--won on a buzzer beater.

Now, Catholic didn't play their best in that game, and frankly should have won more comfortably, but the point is that the games will be competitive.  

Its not accident that Catholic and Scranton started playing each other even before Landmark was under consideration--like minded schools with great programs.

I'll certainly aware of the success that Scranton has had and I think the Catholic-Scranton combo is one of the best 1-2's in the Middle Atlantic.  They'll both be Pool B contenders the next two years.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:43:23 PM
lets try to stick to major sports...baseball, softball, basketball, soccer, field hockey, and lax...sorry golf and track


Ha, Field Hockey vs. Golf and Track.....such a big difference...You have to include them all, Salem.


Moving on...anyone know when the Landmark website will be released...who will be hosting it , etc?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close

York also barely beat Albright, which was one of the worst men's basketball teams in the Commonwealth. And Susquehanna also lost a buzzer-beater to Catholic, which defeated YCP by 16 in January. So what's your point?

If you're going to count lacrosse and field hockey, you have to count track, swim and golf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close

York also barely beat Albright, which was one of the worst men's basketball teams in the Commonwealth. And Susquehanna also lost a buzzer-beater to Catholic, which defeated YCP by 16 in January. So what's your point?

If you're going to count lacrosse and field hockey, you have to count track, swim and golf.


He has no point. He is upset that Catholic has moved on to the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 05:53:28 PM
i can careless about CAtholic...just intrested what people think about the 2 conf....so relax

York beat Catholic as well at home so they split this year.  Catholic and York have split home/home last 3 years.  Im talking about between the two conf I am just comparing.  This still be Albright no matter which way you look at it plus it was early in this year when York was forming there identity after two great teams and 6 seniors left..

....Catholic is good in one sport maybe 2...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.

And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.

For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
Susquejamma: CC is not a Scranton fan...he follows all the NEPA teams & sometimes along the way...he enjoys tossing out grenades just to watch the collateral damage. Take no offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.
For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.

Your first paragraph is a riot and I highly doubt the second graph. Scranton wouldn't have joined if that was the case since they aren't going to play second fiddle to anyone.
I posted about Susqy to get a rise out of you, but I am still awaiting your response to your inane post around Christmas when you remarked that "Wilkes-Barre is a biggot city."
Can you be a man and explain that remark?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.
For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.

Your first paragraph is a riot and I highly doubt the second graph. Scranton wouldn't have joined if that was the case since they aren't going to play second fiddle to anyone.
I posted about Susqy to get a rise out of you, but I am still awaiting your response to your inane post around Christmas when you remarked that "Wilkes-Barre is a biggot city."
Can you be a man and explain that remark?

I wasn't calling Wilkes-Barre bigoted. I was calling one of the Wilkes' fans -- who made homophobic/sexist/anti-Catholic remarks directed towards Scranton fans -- a bigot. If anything, I was trying to rebut the notion that Wilkes-Barre is a bigoted place since every other King's and Wilkes fan on the board seemed to be one. But thanks for putting words into my mouth. Appreciated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 08:12:51 PM
From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides


Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 08:12:51 PM
From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides


Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.

It was the former not the latter. My apologies, I didn't mean to offend. (After all, I'd be taking a shot at myself).

Down with Angelos.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:01:15 PM
I didn't think there were any Orioles fans left.

Every time I go there to cheer for my Red Sox, I'm part of the raucus majority at Fenway South, er...Oriole Park at Camden Yards at pick a name already!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 09:11:09 PM
Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!! :) :) :)

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts.  >:( :P :D ;) ;D

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 09:11:09 PM
Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!! :) :) :)

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts.  >:( :P :D ;) ;D

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P

Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.

The Boston Red Sox.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:09:19 PM
That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!

The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone.

But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.  Babe Ruth wasn't sold by Harry Frazee to finance a play.  He didn't die poor, either.  There's a lot of common misconceptions that make fun stories for the media, but aren't true.

But anyway, Orioles fans are few and far between these days.  I don't really blame them, but its pretty pathetic to go to a ballgame and get booed by fans of the opposing team in your own stadium.  I've been to games when its literally 75% Sox fans!

The Orioles are horribly mismanaged now.  They're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart.   Even the Blue Jays have improved some, overall the O's rotation is pretty bad.

I was at Cal Ripken's last game...it was against the Red Sox.  Brady Anderson struck out to end the game and deny Cal another at bat...fitting!  It was great to see, but I was never a particularly big Ripken fan.  No point in going into that debate, but lets just say that there came a point where I didn't think he was helping the Orioles anymore.

I don't like the Nationals either.  I've got one team, born and raised since the time I could comprehend such a thing.   My wife and I watch every game on satellite.  We take trips and see them on the road, even stay at their hotels.  We are definitely what you call diehards! I cried in 03 and, winning the World Series was one of the best events of my life--I'd probably say #1 is our baby, #2 is getting married, #3 is the Sox winning the Series.  Well, maybe something political in there too...

Oh, and Catholic winning the 01 NCAA's...SEE, back on topic!!!
Title: Re: Oriole Nation
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 12:44:49 AM
Baltimore has some promise. It has a young rotation that, if it works to its potential, could shake some heads. Erik Bedard is one of the best young guns in the league, and if Daniel Cabrera gets his control down, he could be a 15-game winner.

Anyways, it's hard for any team to get fans with an owner as bad as Angelos. Hell, Expos' fans deserted Olympic Stadium when they traded away their best players. Same with Florida. Give Baltimore some credit for at least showing up. Fenway South is a falsehood. When Boston was sitting in third place behind Toronto in September, Oriole Park at Camden Yards, one of the few newer stadium to have a noncorporate ballpark name, was full of black-and-orange. (And the Red Sox fans that did show up were well-informed of their team's bandwagon fans).

The worst is going to a Yankee-Oriole weekend series and sitting in the cheap seats. As much as I hate pinstriped fans, props to the guy who started a "Get a fanbase" chant.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2007, 01:13:40 AM
Had tickets to see one of Cal's last games.  Date on the ticket:  Sept 13th, 2001.  Needless to say, it got rescheduled.  Turned out to be part of Cal's final homestand.  Great to see the Legg Mason building lit up with a big 8.  That said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.

So, who out of Landmark made the dance?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 09:31:09 AM
Yeah, that's what happened to us too--we had tickets for the last game of that series right after 9/11, which got pushed back to the end of the season.  Lots of people got screwed who had paid big bucks for what they thought was the last game of the season.  Earlier that year in Baltimore we also said Nomo pitch a no-hitter.

Catholic made the dance and is hosted a regional.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.

I say boot Angelos and sell the team to Cal.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 09:51:31 AM
Sorry to say it but the O's need to get rid of Angelos...They are in for another sorry 90 loss season...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:03:41 PM
Landmark will be better than CAC, in my humble opinion.

I think the only way to settle the CAC vs Landmark debate (as far as basketball) is on the court. We need a Landmark vs CAC tourney to start the season off ala the ACC/Big 10 challenge. Here is how I see the break down using records for this year so far, I know That CUA, Hood, and VJC are still playing:

#1 Hood (21-7) vs #1 CUA (22-5)
#2 VJC (20-7) vs #2 Scranton (19-7)
#3 Mary Wash (16-10) vs #3 Susquehanna (16-10)
#4 York (16-10) vs #4 Juniata (16-11)
#5 St. Mary's (16-11) vs #4 Kings Point (14-12)
#6 MMU (14-11) vs #6 Moravian (11-14)
#7 Salisbury (12-14) vs #7 Drew (9-15)
#8 Wesley (11-15) vs #8 Goucher (7-18)

Obviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

Here are some numbers:
2007 NCAA Tourny Teams: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 20 Game winners: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 Winning Records: Landmark (5/8) CAC (6/9)
2007 Combined record: Landmark (114-92 55.3%) CAC 130-106 57.5%)

It all seems pretty even to me, but the best way to settle it is still on the court!

By the way, I'm also an O's fan. I was at Cal's Last game, October 6, 2001 and at 2131 September 6, 1995. I'll be in Cooperstown this summer to see him get into the hall. But, If I could change one thing it would be Peter Angelos!!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:02:09 AM
susquejamma, do you see what you started with all this Orioles talk?
I always thought Robert Irsay was the most hated person in Baltimore. Not anymore. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 09:11:09 PM
So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P
Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.
The Boston Red Sox.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:09:19 PM
That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!...The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone...But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.
Of course there wasn't a curse of the Bambino, they were "cursed" for being racist?  ??? ::)

No pity. :P

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:09:19 PMThey're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart lots and lots of money like everyone else in the AL-E.
Since that's the case, I'd almost rather lose... almost. :D

Sorry, my sis's fiance is a Red Soxs fan, and my sister is a sellout with all her pink RedSox gear. In fact, my future brother in law first proposed at Fenway on the scoreboard (like that wasn't predictable). (Ironically, my parents said "not yet," and they ended up getting engaged for real later at Inner Harbor!) :D I love em and all, but I guarantee they are some of those people booing when the Red Sox are @ Baltimore. I have to try and get my jabs in whenever I can... being in the league owned by the two richest baseball squads doesn't give me much to cheer about very often. Since we are all ethnic minorities, and the sis's fiance is even more obsessive than the normal Red Sox fan, the above assertion/accusation about racism being the cause of the curse produces visible pain/agitation. :D

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2007, 01:13:40 AMThat said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.
It's funny cause it's true.  :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
Who does everyone got...

two of your tenants of the Landmark faceoff

Messiah
Catholic

Should be good, Catholic has a lot of senior leadership.

Matt- How is Catholic looking for next year with all the seniors graduating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
Who does everyone got...

two of your tenants of the Landmark faceoff

Messiah
Catholic




Sigh. If we are going to compare Landmark to CAC, you need to know what teams are in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:01:17 AMObviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning. I also know Catholic got D.J. Johnston, a 6-4 G/F from Germantown Academy in Philly. How they got a committment from a player of his caliber this early is anyone's guess, unless he wasn't highly recruited? I don't know.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
cold_case-

that would be real intresting...it would be sort of like the acc/big ten challenge...have like a cup for the winner
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
cold_case-

that would be real intresting...it would be sort of like the acc/big ten challenge...have like a cup for the winner

Didn't I say that already?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:23:39 AM
Sorry kitchenrat...i missed your post....you deserve the credit
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:25:08 AM
Not looking for credit, just being a jerk. It's what I do best.

I do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
Salem, I can see why your school never got an invite to the Landmark. :)
Your post of fellow Landmark schools Messiah and Catholic squaring off this weekend is way off. Messiah is not in the Landmark. :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:29:42 AM
cold_case-

my fault...long morning at work already...thinking of a different school, Morivan..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:25:08 AMI do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:25:08 AMI do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?


The last time I checked 9+8=17. I know I only have a poor York College education but I think the math is right.

I only showed 1-8 for the CAC, we also have Gally who I guess would have to play an intrasquad game that day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:36:26 AM
The Holiday festival December 29th, 2007

Landmark vs CAC

Catholic @ York
GAlly @ Us Merchant Marines
Susquenna @ Mary Wash
Salisbury @ Scranton
Juniata @ Hood
St. Mary's @ Goucher
Morivan @ Marymount
Villa Julie@ Drew (Not a traditional CAC team but its either them or Wesley)

OR have a 2 day event at the Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:25:08 AMI do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?



Or why would the CAC, Freedom or Commonwealth want to associate with the Landmark?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:41:04 AM
Keep old rival's and create some new ones plus it will get the attention of many in the area if this were to come up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:46:04 AM
What area and where would this not-going-to-happen tourney take place?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:47:56 AM
The New gym at York College, The Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center

It will happen...I'll pull some strings lol ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:50:39 AM
Why in York. Why not in Wilkes-Barre at First Union Arena? Or just a little further south, say, at Lehigh's Stabler Arena?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:54:23 AM
The idea is consistency of non-conference scheduling. As a school in Central PA we (York) play a few of the new Landmark schools almost every year. But we also play one-off's against schools we have no particular connection to, which is true of all schools. The only way to have a tradition is to establish one, I'm not saying it has to be CAC vs Landmark, but that's as good a place to start as any.

Plus, the original point of my post was if we are going to argue who is better, the Landmark or the CAC one way to solve that is to play head to head.

As for where, the ACC/Big 10 just plays half at ACC schools and the other half at Big 10 schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:54:23 AM
The idea is consistency of non-conference scheduling. As a school in Central PA we (York) play a few of the new Landmark schools almost every year. But we also play one-off's against schools we have no particular connection to, which is true of all schools. The only way to have a tradition is to establish one, I'm not saying it has to be CAC vs Landmark, but that's as good a place to start as any.

Plus, the original point of my post was if we are going to argue who is better, the Landmark or the CAC one way to solve that is to play head to head.

As for where, the ACC/Big 10 just plays half at ACC schools and the other half at Big 10 schools.


Sounds good, but it would have to be on the weekend. Landmark schools reserve the week for studying.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:59:03 AM
I understand your post but when you look at the geographics, the schools that will be inconvenienced the most (travel-wise) are from the Freedom, Commonwealth and King's Point.
You're also forgetting the costs involved such as hotel and meals. The Landmark schools already will be travelling distances and staying overnight during the season.
It's an expensive idea you have without considering what will go into it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:04:11 AM
In playing a non-conference schedule there is always travel involved. The idea is to use 1 of those non-conference games to play a school from the other league. Wesley can go to Kings Point, and Salisbury to Drew. Those are drives that can be done in one day with out an overnights stay.

I'm not talking about a win and advance tournament, it is a challenge involving one CAC school playing one Landmark school. Or one CAC school playing one ODAC school
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:07:32 AM
Ok, well I don't know that we have to argue about logistics since this isn't going to happen, at least next year.  But I do like the fact that people are excited about games and talking about the new league already.  There is nothing wrong with a little rivarly to spice things up and generate interest, and there is a natural connection between the CAC and Landmark because so many of those teams already show up on each other's schedules and one of the most dominant programs in the East coast is switching over.

I think the biggest question mark going forward is what region Landmark will be in--that is what should dictate non-conference scheduling for all these teams.  Catholic went undefeated outside of the conference this year, and every single game was in region.  That had a major impact on the Cardinals getting a top seed and thus hosting a regional in the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 11:08:28 AM
kitchenrat, if that's the case, put Scranton vs York together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:19:34 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 11:08:28 AM
kitchenrat, if that's the case, put Scranton vs York together.

That would be great. That would be a quality opponent for York, and not a gimmie for Scranton by any means. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.

I was driving back to D.C. that night after watching Mark McGwire hit homer No. 65 in Milwaukee. Aghast in the car listening on ESPN Radio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 06:56:19 PM

For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.


You obviously haven't seen Scranton's world class facilities. Although I did hear Elizabethtown was in the mix...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 11:27:17 AM
York has the nicest facility

Stabler is nothing special and old...

Matt- this could happen its not an actual tourney, its an event since there is much into this
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:01:17 AMObviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning. I also know Catholic got D.J. Johnston, a 6-4 G/F from Germantown Academy in Philly. How they got a committment from a player of his caliber this early is anyone's guess, unless he wasn't highly recruited? I don't know.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.

Uhh--yeah, DJ Johnston was/is highly recruited!!!  Actually one of the top D3 recruits on the East Coast.

Catholic will need him, as they are graduated 6 seniors, five of whom get big minutes.  Basically, when Mike Lonergan left to go to be an assistant at Maryland (and btw, his Vermont team just clinched the America East regular season championship in his second year with no upperclassmen!), Catholic didn't hire Coach Howes until late summer.  Catholic lost its recruiting class in the process.

Now, they have a huge freshman class and from what I can tell, a bunch of these guys can really play, but they didn't get big minutes thanks to the seniors.  They will have two starting junior guards, Stolzethaler and Olivero, and I anticipate big minutes and success from Fazzini, Quinn and Jones, all big guys (Fazzini more of a 3/4 who can shoot), who will be sophomores.

This tournament experience will be great for them.

Obviously, freshman class will be key, but
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 11:29:53 AM
Let me make a prediction.
I predict by the end of this weekend, the newly born Landmark will surpass the Commonwealth is posts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.
I was driving back to D.C. that night after watching Mark McGwire hit homer No. 65 in Milwaukee. Aghast in the car listening on ESPN Radio.

Pat, I did my internship with the Redsox that summer and was upset to find out that Cal sat out the last game at home, because my boss with the Sox got me tickets to the last game of the year (O's at Sox) which I thought was going to be the day he did it. Of course he did the right thing by doing it at home. I sat in the WABU skybox and watched the game with one eye as I wateched Big Mac his #69 and #70 with the other.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:28:55 AM

Uhh--yeah, DJ Johnston was/is highly recruited!!!  Actually one of the top D3 recruits on the East Coast.


Catholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 12:18:06 PM
Matt-

Do you think next year Catholic will struggle to win 20 games.  It looks like there will be a lot of turnover.

I don't see why this challenge could not happen, there would just be an odd team out probably Welsey or Villa Julie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 12:32:30 PM
Well just getting all these schools together to schedule something like that would be difficult.  I'm sure there are existing commitments for various schools (home and away agreements, etc) and that scheduling is already going on for next year. 

Yes, I do think the decade long 20 game win streak is in jeopardy.  Its tough to tell though simply because there weren't a lot of minutes to go around.  I know the staff is high on the freshman class there now, but us fans didn't see too much of them save for Quinn and Fazzini.

Switching leagues will help--its get to a point where familiarity plays a big role in winning and losing and that generally benefits teams with less talent.  For instance, Goucher stole a win at Catholic this year, but nobody on the planet thinks that the Gophers were anywhere near the Cardinals.  They just knew Catholic so well that it was easier for them to devise a strategy to win that one game.  The next time they played, Catholic blew them out.

In Landmark, there won't be as much familiarity, so pure talent may dictate a little bit more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
Possibly Matt, when they came to York the bench produced 0 points if I remember correctly.  Its hard replacing so much scoring, ask York this year it took them 9-10 games to get the new players involved into the system.  I would say a 12-12 to 16-10 season would be a great year for Catholic next year.

Your right though being familiar with a team is important.  Plus there are 2-3 bottom feeders in the Landmark, so there should be a top 4 finish for Catholic behind Scranton, Juniata, and maybe Susquenna.  I'm not familiar with Drew and Us Merchants and Morivan is never very good.  I've backed up on my stance on how I care about Catholic, I was just hoping this great rivalry had a few more years in it!  Can't believe I am saying this but, GOOD LUCK CATHOLIC
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
MORAVIAN


www.moravian.edu

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:56:29 AMCatholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.

Yes you have, cut the nonsense, NEPA!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:14:19 AM
I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.

Actually SU isn't losing anyone. It had one senior who was out all season with a tumor. I think Juniata is returning most of its players too.

Quote from: cold_case on Today at 10:25:20 am
Salem, I can see why your school never got an invite to the Landmark. Smiley
Your post of fellow Landmark schools Messiah and Catholic squaring off this weekend is way off. Messiah is not in the Landmark. Tongue

:) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
Ok relax i type fast, i am sorry for the typo for SU. 

SU will be OK next year at best
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:56:29 AMCatholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.

Yes you have, cut the nonsense, NEPA!


Oh okay....we are talking about non-rumors/confirmed recruits?


SU has the best player in the conference...when healthy...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
:) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.

Susquenna - Is that a type of flower or banana?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 03:05:59 PM
who cares Susquehanna ;D

probably still wrong
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
:) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.

Susquenna - Is that a type of flower or banana?

I believe it is the name of one of the two-dollar hookers on Market Street in Sunbury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 03:24:21 PM
market street in york  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 03:45:08 PM
Not gonna lie... as a south central PA native, thus knowing of which both of you speak, I may have to call that one a toss-up.   :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.
  Ryan Minor was a bball star at Oklahoma, by the way, when they had NCAA tournament teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 28, 2007, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.
  Ryan Minor was a bball star at Oklahoma, by the way, when they had NCAA tournament teams.

Now Ryan Minor is the hitting coach for the York Revolution. The manager is Chris Hoiles, the Pitching coach is Tippy Martinez and the Bench coach is Al Bumbry!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 09:08:30 AM
Too bad they can't pry Mike Flanagan away from his GM duties with the Orioles. He's reason #2 why we're knee deep in demise. Make that hip deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.

I still have an unused ticket from that night. Wonder what I could get for it?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 09:28:16 AM
Grove, I have a deal for you. I'll trade you a Super Bowl XLI game program for the ticket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 28, 2007, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(

Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 28, 2007, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(

Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.


Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   Huh, Landmark home offices are at Drew? Lets have the CAC-Landmark tourny at the Meadowlands.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: susquejamma link=topic=5121.msg690144#msg690144
Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.
/quote]

'Jamma, I can't say I've ever met a Toronto FC fan before.  Seriously, name one guy on that team without Google-ing, and you get a karma point.  That said, my boys in Liverpool would smoke your Canadians.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   

I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2007, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   

I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...


Okay. I actually found it on a number of other sites, as well. Let me know how your interview goes!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 10:51:19 AM
Where do I apply. I'll have the conference being the epitomy of D-III in two years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2007, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...


Okay. I actually found it on a number of other sites, as well. Let me know how your interview goes!  ;D

Haha... I would, if they'd let me work out of Selinsgrove.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 01, 2007, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:39:35 AMSi hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.

[

Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
Horrible bus accident in Atlanta, Ga this morning. Thoughts and prayers to the families of the Bluffton University baseball team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2007, 12:59:58 AM
Ok, I'm ready--bring on the LANDMARK.  (Yeah, yeah, Catholic's run in the tournament is done.  But they had a very good season).

I think Catholic had already taken the CAC logos out of the gym...

I know things will probably be pretty quiet until next fall, but I hope we can get to know a little bit about the schools of the Landmark and what we can expect this year. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 04:01:26 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on March 01, 2007, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:39:35 AM
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?

K-Rat, I love defunct languages.  I just use that as my profile quote because some people *cough* Scranton fans *cough* believe they're smarter than Wilkes fans.  If any of them got the joke, I figure they would have posted a response similar to yours by now.  Their silence is deafening.

That said, I can not, in good conscience, refer to this league as the "Landmark" until we establish what landmark (or landmarks) warranted the name.  Catholic, I get.  They're close to lots of landmarks.  Other schools, not so much:
Susquehanna - River
Juniata - River, maybe some farms
Drew - Madison Corners
Goucher - Camden Yards
Moravian - Dorney Park
King's Point - Long Island
Scranton - The Hills Section?  Farley's?

My mistake.  Maybe Scranton is counting the monuments of Samuel Gompers and Thaddeus Kosciuszko on Courthouse Square.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2007, 09:25:26 AM
Well, maybe you can include the Landmarks in BETWEEN the institutions...you know, things that you would see if you were traveling...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 10:51:06 AM
I think seeing the skyscrapers of NYC from Kings Point's campus sounds for something.

Perhaps it was simply a landmark decision to leave their current leagues and strike out on something new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2007, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 04:01:26 AM
Goucher - Camden Yards

Does anyone not know their history... or Baltimore? There is more landmarks than just Camden Yards!

- Ft. McHenry (fort attacked by the British, witnessed by Francis Scott Key who then penned what would eventually become the National Anthem)
- Basillica of the Assumption (first Basillica ever built by the Catholic Church in the U.S.)
- Edgar Allan Poe's home and gravesite (fear the Raven)
- Babe Roth Museum

And that isn't talking about Annapolis!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 04, 2007, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.

I don't know if the Colonel has issues with Scranton entering the Landmark, but E-town just might ....  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 11:47:09 AM
Warren "Zevon" Thompson,
Not that it matters, but does E-town have issues with anyone else in the Landmark other than Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2007, 12:00:36 PM
Just curious - why would E-town have any issues with those in the Landmark... except for the fact that has hard as they tried... E-Town was left out on multiple occasions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 04, 2007, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 04, 2007, 12:00:36 PM
Just curious - why would E-town have any issues with those in the Landmark... except for the fact that has hard as they tried... E-Town was left out on multiple occasions.

You've essentially answered your own question.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
I'll retro this by about 20 minutes.

Warren "Moon" Thompson,
Not that it matters, but does E-town have issues with anyone else in the Landmark other than Scranton?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2007, 07:50:43 PM
    Talked with both ADs(E-town and Scranton) yesterday separately and neither knew how the individual voting came out or what criteria was weighted the highest; Toby said material was presented to the committee and they came and inspected the facilities. E-town probably has better outside facilities at the present time, but Scranton was probably a better travel partner geographically with Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 04, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 04:01:26 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on March 01, 2007, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:39:35 AM
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?

K-Rat, I love defunct languages.  I just use that as my profile quote because some people *cough* Scranton fans *cough* believe they're smarter than Wilkes fans.  If any of them got the joke, I figure they would have posted a response similar to yours by now.  Their silence is deafening.

That said, I can not, in good conscience, refer to this league as the "Landmark" until we establish what landmark (or landmarks) warranted the name.  Catholic, I get.  They're close to lots of landmarks.  Other schools, not so much:
Susquehanna - River
Juniata - River, maybe some farms
Drew - Madison Corners
Goucher - Camden Yards
Moravian - Dorney Park
King's Point - Long Island
Scranton - The Hills Section?  Farley's?

My mistake.  Maybe Scranton is counting the monuments of Samuel Gompers and Thaddeus Kosciuszko on Courthouse Square.

A friend of mine and I speak Latin to one another when we don't want people to know what we're talking about. It works well unless there is an exceptionally educated person around... or a Catholic Priest.

And if you try hard enough you can find a landmark any where. There are like 500 "George Washington Slept here" houses from DC to Long Island, so that could be where they got the name. Hell, even York has the distinction of being the first Capitol of the US since the Articles of Confederation were signed here.

Plus Scranton is home to Michael Scott and "The Office" that's gotta be worth something. -Best show on TV, Hands down-
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on March 04, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
Hell, even York has the distinction of being the first Capitol of the US since the Articles of Confederation were signed here.

I wouldn't be crowing about the Articles of Confederation. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 05, 2007, 03:38:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.
Absolutely.  Could care less if Drew, some CAC, some MAC-C, et al want to get together and form a conference.  My issue with Scranton joining the Landmine is that they have to abandon the rivalry with my alma mater.  Hell, a segment of the population knows me ONLY as ColonelJohn.  Yeah, it's personal. 

The "history" I know about Scranton - correct me where I'm wrong.  Their rival from the mid-90s on was Wilkes.  Their rival from the mid-90s back to the 60s was King's.  If Scranton was leaving the MAC-F because of a 40+ year absence in a rivalry, they're idiots.  If Scranton leaves their two current rivals, they're idiots. 

The history I remember is Bob Bessoir going for his 500th win, wearing a now-legendary purple tuxedo.  In our gym.  The history I remember is Scranton winning the 1983 NCAA Championship, and losing one conference game the entire season.  At King's.  Recent history I remember is the 2006 MAC-F Championship.  Wilkes at Scranton, decided by 1 point.

However, unlike most, I'm willing to listen if there's history I'm missing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2007, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 05, 2007, 03:38:06 AMThe history I remember is Scranton winning the 1983 NCAA Championship, and losing one conference game the entire season.  At King's. However, unlike most, I'm willing to listen if there's history I'm missing.

CJ, are you willing to listen that your legend of being wrong continues to grow at a feverish pitch. Scranton didn't lose a conference game that year and King's didn't even come close to pulling an upset.
I think you meant 1988 when Scranton reached the national title game as the year King's handed them their only conference loss. That was the game that J.P. Andrejko had the flu and played all of two minutes. Ask him, he'll tell you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2007, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2007, 07:50:43 PM
    Talked with both ADs(E-town and Scranton) yesterday separately and neither knew how the individual voting came out or what criteria was weighted the highest; Toby said material was presented to the committee and they came and inspected the facilities. E-town probably has better outside facilities at the present time, but Scranton was probably a better travel partner geographically with Moravian.


They really inspected the facilities before the decided on the last member? Wow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:15:44 PM
That's so common it's not even noteworthy, NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wb1313 on March 05, 2007, 03:36:24 PM
I believe what the good Colonel is trying to say is that it really was underhanded how Scranton left for the Landfill.  Scranton coaches didn't even know until after the move happened and it seemed to be a cop out after many, many years of affiliation with their local rivals.  I still fail to see what Scranton will gain from making the move (academically or athletically) but that is their decision.  This is not D1 where travel plans are easy.   Scranton leaving the MAC is the equivelant of Michigan leaving the Big 10...it doesn't make sense!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2007, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:15:44 PM
That's so common it's not even noteworthy, NEPA.


I had no idea this kind of thing occured at the D-3 level. Sorry for the ignorance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2007, 08:00:11 PM
Pat,
I thought NEPA's question was fair but the response wasn't. He didn't know the requirements involved to enter a new league.
The only suspense remaining is the date the conference announces it will be placed in the Atlantic Region, although that's already a given.
There are a couple other no brainers but we'll wait to comment on them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2007, 09:16:56 PM
I just don't get all the hand wringing here.  If Scranton wants to leave Mac-F, then let them leave! So what?

It doesn't matter if Scranton leaving is a good decision for Kings or for Wilkes.  It matters that its a good decision for Scranton!

Now, I realize that some debate centers around that, but I certainly don't think those who have no allegiance to Scranton are really in the best position to judge.  The bottom line is that time will tell.

I'll tell you one thing--if all this keeps up (remarks like Landfill) I think those institutions that are in Landmark are going to end up with hell of a chip on their shoulders.  I'd watch out non-conference.  These teams are NOT pushovers by any stretch, and even the ones that are weaker in basketball are going in the right direction for the most part.   But this is sort of like the D-1 equivalent of Carolina and Duke leaving the ACC and starting their own conference.  Take lightly at your own peril.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 05, 2007, 09:47:06 PM
I doubt any the teams are going to care if it is called landfill or landmine simply anything with the word land works for me.   Matt your dreaming if players are reading this caring what the name is called.  And stop telling us how good the conf. is when it is not really that good, YET!. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2007, 10:11:37 PM
Its not really the players, its the institutions.  A program develops a certain mentality or atmosphere...believe me, I've seen it.  You give teams a little extra incentive for an early season non-conference game, it could be a big advantage.

If you want an example, ask the Marymount guys how they feel about playing against Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wb1313 on March 06, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Salem, Matt is just yapping because he feels that everyone should be happy for these universities.  In essence, many of them left old conference foes hanging.   Many of these schools are wanna be ivy league schools that think they are better than everyone else at the D3 level.  MAC Freedom fans have a reason to be mad at Scranton as they had said they weren't going anywhere.  Don't let facts get in the way of being hard headed Matt.   The institutions in the "conference I will not name for fear of causing them to develop a complex" will not have that fighting mentality because they already have a mentality of thumbing their collective noses at their former conference schools. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 09:02:09 AM
Quote from: wb1313 on March 06, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Salem, Matt is just yapping because he feels that everyone should be happy for these universities.  In essence, many of them left old conference foes hanging.   Many of these schools are wanna be ivy league schools that think they are better than everyone else at the D3 level.  MAC Freedom fans have a reason to be mad at Scranton as they had said they weren't going anywhere.  Don't let facts get in the way of being hard headed Matt.   The institutions in the "conference I will not name for fear of causing them to develop a complex" will not have that fighting mentality because they already have a mentality of thumbing their collective noses at their former conference schools. 



Have fun developing that rivalry with Misericordia. Just let us know when you are going to stop whining about the move..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 09:34:31 AM
We are not whining personally I can careless about the land conference.  Its a matter of Matt thinking this conf. has a chip on its shoulder because people are saying landfill or landmine.  Im sorry but no one cares.  I doubt Catholic is going to go into the Marymount game thinking people on this forum are calling it landmine so we should play harder.  Sorry thats just the dumbest thing I have ever heard. 

wb1313 great comment about the Ivy league- I really think they believe they are better.  Reading some articles online about the conf switch and how its more "economical" for these schools to play in the conf.  Are you kidding me!  How is Catholic traveling to Drew more economical?  Or Scranton going to Catholic?  It seems to me it was about arrogance and tuition for each school to compete with others.  In the end Division III is about participation and academics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 10:03:54 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 09:34:31 AM
1_ We are not whining personally I can careless about the land conference. 

2_ wb1313 great comment about the Ivy league- I really think they believe they are better. 

3_ It seems to me it was about arrogance and tuition for each school to compete with others.

Answers
1_ Then why do you guys continue coming on the LANDMARK board and take shots at the schools?
2_ They are.
3_ It was about breaking away from conference's where some schools lowered academeic standards to bring in better athletes. It's called "athletics first and ask questions later."
I can't be any more honest than that, especially on No's. 1 & 3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:26:53 AM
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 11:39:49 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:26:53 AM
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts

1_ And all you Landmark-wannabe's share your thoughts primarily on this board. That's interesting.
2_ Sure we are. We're in the Landmark, your not. 'Nuff said.
3_ Not dumb enough to mention schools but if I did, I'd be sued for libel. Of course, truth is the best defense against libel.
I await the next losing argument you present.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:47:27 AM
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 11:54:43 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:47:27 AM
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports


You and others have heard the arguement numerous times. Fine, you don't accept the arguement, you don't understand why these teams created the Landmark, we get it.  However I guess you  do have to scream loud and clear that you don't accept it.


CJ re: your latin quote.....I don't know Latin. I must not be as bright as a Wilkes graduate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:47:27 AM
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports

Yeah but cold_case is posting on the right board. You're not!!!
Although I can understand you wanting to rub elbows with the upper crust, that's cool.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 06, 2007, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:26:53 AM
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts

Dude, every time you write you exhibit lower standards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
Upper Crust, why because you pay more tuition, come on.  I am a d3 fan but am CAC school.  I understand why it was formed believe me i get it.  I have no grip with most of the schools.  The conf. logistics are not what the d3 stands for.  

No school in the CAC has lowered there standards.  Its an academic first athletics second conf.  Just the way 3d is supposed to be.  They groom teachers and marketers.  That is what d3 about the STUDENT-athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:58 PM
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:58 PM
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board

Try this: "could care less."
It's could, not can. And it's care less in this instance. Also, using really in that sentence is not necessary. Try to cut down on wordiness.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
thanks for the english lesson :)

Math was my strong point 720 SAT  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 01:16:23 PMMath was my strong point 720 SAT  :)

That easily beats me. >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2007, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
No school in the CAC has lowered there standards.  Its an academic first athletics second conf.  Just the way 3d is supposed to be.  They groom teachers and marketers.  That is what d3 about the STUDENT-athlete.
Many would disagree with this statement. I don't have the time this time of year to get that far into this... but I would go out on a limb and point out the Habel controversy at SMC as maybe one example of lowering standards. Also, many argue the Salisbury Lacrosse program is athletes first and academics second - even though Salisbury does have some high standards.

At the same time, I would argue that maybe some of the schools are raising their standards. I don't want to downplay the CAC's standards, but I know some coaches at some schools leaving to form the Landmark have been frustrated at their respective school's admissions departments getting either tougher or raising standards that were already high. Some of the coaches have left, others have adapted. No matter, the schools that are forming the Landmark are doing so for more than basketball, lacrosse, soccer, whatever. They are doing so for the athletic programs as a whole and first and foremost for the universities/colleges themselves.

We shall see in the long run how this will work out. And I think the inclusion of Hood, Villa Julie and Wesley will raise the standards in the CAC, despite the loss of two tough liberal arts colleges in Catholic and Goucher.

By the way, hope Marymount isn't getting it's hopes up about playing CUA in the future... I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 06, 2007, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 11:39:49 AM
3_ Not dumb enough to mention schools but if I did, I'd be sued for libel. Of course, truth is the best defense against libel.
I await the next losing argument you present.

CC You certainly don't have to worry about libel in this case. First and foremost, for the libel statutes to apply it would have to be proved that you intend to cause financial damage to the schools in question by making your statement. Also, if a school was going to try and sue for defamatory statements made on an internet site it would not be for libel it would be for slander, because just like the broadcasted word, the net is covered under those statutes. So if you have dirt: Do tell.

Mind you I'm not weighing in on the whole Landmark debate but if we're going to point out one another's flaws and deficiencies of education... I thought I'd jump in too. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Thank you kitchenrat

D-Mac are you saying schools from the LANDMARK never lower there standards for an athlete.  I find that hard to believe
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2007, 03:53:31 PM
Salem - I never said that. I said I know standards have gotten tighter and that has frustrated some coaches I know in the CAC.

I am also answer the question of situations in the CAC where standards MIGHT have been lowered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 06, 2007, 03:53:31 PM
Salem - I never said that. I said I know standards have gotten tighter and that has frustrated some coaches I know in the CAC.

I am also answer the question of situations in the CAC where standards MIGHT have been lowered.

No one is immune from this, even at the High School level rules are bend and broken for the sake of athletics.


I would say move on to the next topic, if we had one!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 06, 2007, 07:50:59 PM
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BURLINGTON, Vt. – University of Vermont men's basketball senior Chris Holm (Henderson, Nev.) was named to the United States Basketball Writers Association All- District I Team and the CollegeInsider.com America East Most Valuable Player, while head coach Mike Lonergan earned the web sites conference coach of the year honor. The top-seeded Catamounts (25-6, 15-1 America East) will host the America East Championship Finals on Saturday at 12:00pm against #2 Albany. The USBWA and CollegeInsider.com made the announcements on Tuesday.

Holm, an America East All-Conference First Team selection, is the only student-athlete from the league to be honored by the USBWA. The 6-foot-11 forward has been a huge presence inside for the Catamounts this season, as he is only one of 12 players in the nation to average a double-double. Holm is third on the team in scoring (10.7) and is second in the nation in rebounds, averaging 12.4 per contest. He also leads the country in offensive rebounds this season.

His 16 double-doubles is four times as many as the next closest total in the America East and he is also fourth in the conference in blocked shots. With 383 rebounds on the year, Holm has already smashed the UVM single season record with at least two games remaining. The old mark was set in 1960-61 by Benny Becton, who had 350.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Thank you kitchenrat

D-Mac are you saying schools from the LANDMARK never lower there standards for an athlete.  I find that hard to believe

This is getting kind of ridiculous Salem.  Have you been paying ANY attention to what's happened to the CAC recently?

Your argument is that CAC teams don't lower their standards for athletes...really?  Can you explain to me then why the supposedly HONORS college of Maryland accept a kid who 1) didn't even go to a legitimate high school, and 2). never actually met the minimum requirements for the SAT. 

Of course, all that is gravy compared to the fact that said "student" athlete was busted for dealing drugs 12 games into his tenure, but you get my point.  The following year, the same CAC school accepted another kid who was kicked out of D1 for posession with intent to sell.

If you don't call that lowering your standards, what do you call it?

As for Landmark Schools, part of the reason for this conference is so that these schools don't have to lower their students to be competitive.  I can't speak for any other institution, but I can give you an idea as to what its like for Catholic University.  Of last year's senior class, Shane Sowden was named male student athlete of the year at the University, and graudated with a GPA I believe in the 3.8 range.  His counterpart big man, Matt Spirenberg, is currently persuing an advanced degree at the University.

As far as next year's class, its already public knowledge that one of CUA's top recruits has a 1310 SAT score.  Now, is every kid who plays basketball at Catholic a brainiac? Surely not.  CUA, like many other institutions, looks for well rounded kids, and that includes athletics.  Perhaps that might mean a little bit lower GPA or SAT score than normal, which is compensated by leadership shown in other areas.

But since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 

One of the key things to look at too is turnover.   Most of the players that you see sitting on the bench at CUA are getting honored at senior night four years later.  At quite a few other CAC schools, I've seen numerous players disappear, never to be heard from again.  Mike Lonergan graduated 100% of his players, and that tradition continues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.

If what you say is true, the MAC should change it's name to the RDC: Revolving Door Conference, or the LOL: Left Out League.

On a lighter side, did anyone watch the Sun Belt final between North Texas and Arkansas St.?
Arkansas football coach Houston Nutt's brother was the Arkansas St. head coach. His name: Dickie Nutt. I'm not kidding. 8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 07, 2007, 07:29:39 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:58 PM
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board

The irony is rich.

[smacks head]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 08:10:18 AM
QuoteBut since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 

Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 09:06:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.

Pat, what "more moves" do you anticipate?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 08:10:18 AM
QuoteBut since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 

Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)



Yikes, who invited the square? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 09:47:00 AMYikes, who invited the square? ;D

Yawn.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 08:10:18 AM
QuoteBut since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 

Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)



Yikes, who invited the square? ;D
"Square?"   :o

I thought that was a "diversity" question!  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.


Pat,


Do you plan on keeping your sources for the Miseri and Alvernia invite to the MAC confidential?

We know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 10:20:31 AMWe know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.

From what I've gathered, the MAC may have the look of the PAC in the next two years.
I hear Elizabethtown may be leaving for the CAC and Messiah wants out.
Lyco is presently headed to the Commonwealth but it's a good bet it will only be for one year. They already compete in the Empire 8 in football and are highly interested in joining that conference in all sports.
King's has scheduled football games this coming fall with two Empire 8 schools and they have a solid relationship with a third school, Alfred. Keep that possible move for all sports in mind after next year.
Wilkes, and this is a long shot, could find themselves in the NJAC. Cortland State plays football in that league so Wilkes bolting is a slight possibility.
On a sad note, nobody is beating down the doors at Lebanon Valley and with good reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 10:20:31 AMWe know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.


Lyco is presently headed to the Commonwealth but it's a good bet it will only be for one year. They already compete in the Empire 8 in football and are highly interested in joining that conference in all sports.

{Say what? Susquehanna is going to the Liberty for football.}

On a sad note, nobody is beating down the doors at Lebanon Valley and with good reason.

{If it's not too much trouble, kindly explain your comment above ....}
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
WT,
I'd be more than happy to answer your question in regards to my post as soon as you answer my repeated post to you from a couple days ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 11:58:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
WT,
I'd be more than happy to answer your question in regards to my post as soon as you answer my repeated post to you from a couple days ago.

Alright, here goes: I'm not aware that E-town has issues with any other venue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 11:58:19 AM
Alright, here goes: I'm not aware that E-town has issues with any other venue.[/b]

Cool. About my post regarding LV, I did that in hopes of you asking me why? Then I could ask you for a trade-off. If LV is happy in the MAC, that's fine. But if they want out, then I hope they find a suitable conference.
Hey, I'm a Vojko Pesa fan. Remember that. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 01:27:21 PM
Hey, I'm a Vojko Pesa fan. Remember that. ;)

"Vojko Pesa"  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 07, 2007, 02:28:32 PM
For what it is worth, from the MAC Freedom Board

Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 05:56:51 PM
Warren "Peace" Thompson, I challenge anyone on this Freedom board to match my knowledge regarding the MAC.
Remember Vojko Pesa? I believe that's how you write his name.

apparently he is McMaster, class of '82
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 03:00:51 PM
The class sounds right but the last name doesn't ring a bell. I have a 1978-79 LV roster with Scott Mailen on it and there is a kid named Vojko Pesa, a 6-8 center.
McMaster?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 07, 2007, 03:07:17 PM
McMaster U says he is a "lost" men's basketball alum, class of '82

http://www.athrec.mcmaster.ca/alumni/lost/mbball_lost_alumni.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 06:51:21 PM
Pesa was a freshman on the game program I have from 1978-79. Obviously he transferred.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2007, 05:38:22 PM
Alvernia/MISERI to the MAC FREEDOM to replace Scranton..



http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18076204&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6


Miseri replaces Scranton as a local rival to Wilkes/Kings
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 02, 2007, 03:26:01 PM
Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic????????!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2007, 05:31:59 PM
We don't know yet. We'll move the board if the NCAA decides to put it in the Atlantic for MBB.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on May 30, 2007, 12:27:03 AM
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2007, 11:57:52 PM
Royals' bball schedule is up on Scranton web site - no Kings/Wilkes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2007, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on May 30, 2007, 12:27:03 AM
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?


Okay since this board is dead and we have some recruiting news, how about a little discussion?


U of S Recruits as of 06/08/07

PG-Zach Ashworth, 6-2, 186  Looks like a point who can score with 18.5 ppg as a senior at CB West  (think loftus, arnold, etc)

F-Ivan Bogovich   6-5, 205 Averaged 13.3 points and 13.1 rebounds per game, and had 28 in one game as a Senior.  Could bring some toughness to the Royals for next season.


Should be more to follow in the coming weeks.....


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 08, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
sounds like 2 good players for Scranton

I believe I heard Catholic has 2 6'8 kids coming in, a 6'5 kid from up near philly, and another 6'4/5 wing from. I won't claim to be an insider here so maybe some of the Catholic guys could shed some light on these players?

I'd be interested to know who Susquehanna brought in after loosing noboday and whether or not Robinson is going to be eligible to play this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
bballfan10, welcome to the board. Spread the word around campus -- we need more people from your area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2007, 10:37:08 AM
Noticed the league Web site is available:

http://www.landmarkconference.org
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on July 15, 2007, 06:12:07 PM
90 days and counting ..till the start of a whole new ballgame .. new faces .. new places...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 16, 2007, 01:04:31 AM
Big Dog, I hear ya.  Is it November yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 17, 2007, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2007, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on May 30, 2007, 12:27:03 AM
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?


Okay since this board is dead and we have some recruiting news, how about a little discussion?


U of S Recruits as of 06/08/07

PG-Zach Ashworth, 6-2, 186  Looks like a point who can score with 18.5 ppg as a senior at CB West  (think loftus, arnold, etc)

F-Ivan Bogovich   6-5, 205 Averaged 13.3 points and 13.1 rebounds per game, and had 28 in one game as a Senior.  Could bring some toughness to the Royals for next season.


Should be more to follow in the coming weeks.....



The coming weeks yield the rest of the class....

SG/F Luke Hawk  6'4 190. Averaged 23 a game as a senior, second all time leading scorer at his high school. Brother of current royal Paul Hawk.

PG Jonathan Bracken 6'0 175...from Jacksonville, Fl...averaged 8 points, 3.6 assits, 1.7 steals.

G RJ Wallace...6'2 180  averaged 16 pts , 4 assists.

C- Andrew Wynne 6'7 215 ...reserve from Mcquaid Jesuit. Average 4 and 4...

Big class this year.....plenty o'guards



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 26, 2007, 10:10:29 AM
Good thing Scranton is getting all of those recruits.  One of them might need to replace James Powell.  I'm not really sure how long it will take him to recover from his, ummm, injury.

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=18619864&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=590572&rfi=8

Y'know, you heckle Scranton for a decade, nothing.  The moment they go to the Landmark Conference, a guy John-Bobbitts himself.  UNREAL.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:12:41 PM
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All,
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      If you support the Division III sport world, please check this site out and create a profile.  ITS FREE!!!!!!!  If there are any questions or comments, please feel free to e mail the president of www.GOTatheletes.com, Pad Lee at patrick@GOTathletes.com.  Thank you,


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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on August 30, 2007, 06:15:47 PM
45 days and counting till NCAA Official Tip Off.. CUA has new floor  this year..or at least new paint job ...wonder how the incoming frosh will measure up in the new conf ?? i understand a couple big men are coming in ..gonna be hard to replace  seniors from last season  but as in the past  Coach Howes seems to get the job done ...only time will will tell..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 07:44:45 PM
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on August 31, 2007, 12:26:38 PM
Pat.. that's what i meant.. they strpped it down , replaced a few dead spots and a whole new paint job and look.. you can see it on the Athletics Webb Site .. sidelines and baseline are now black instead of red and a new cardinal at ceneter court.. and i heard word to that now baseball and foot ball can not practice on the wood court .. but we shall see ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on September 04, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
Coach Howes has gotten the job done since he has taken over, but this will be the first year that he doesn't have Lonergan recruited players to rely on.
And he definitely relied on those guys last year. There are only 3 returners, assuming they all make it back, who averaged more than 10 minutes a game last season. His team will be very young as well as inexperienced. The couple of big men who are coming in better be strong contributors, because there isn't a whole lot coming back from last year's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on September 16, 2007, 10:50:02 PM
Anyone with any preditions on how the first season of the new conference will go? Who will be the top teams, dark horses, and lower-level teams?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on September 16, 2007, 10:52:04 PM
Also, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on September 18, 2007, 03:24:23 PM
I agree, Catholic should not be as good as the past few "howes" teams and not nearly as good as the "Lonergan" teams from the 90's and the teams up untill he departed. Lonergan was a brilliant recruiter. I have heard catholic has some good recruits this year. Very optimistic for this season though.


Go Cards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 04, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: bballfan112 on September 16, 2007, 10:52:04 PM
Also, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?


Scranton's roster is up and Powell is not on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 09, 2007, 02:23:27 PM
QuoteAlso, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?

Scranton's roster is up and Powell is not on it.

Since we are all coming together for the first time here in the Landmark, WHAT did Powell try to do to himself?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on October 15, 2007, 03:24:04 PM
As my name suggests I am not from the area but I am a big DIII basketball fan and was thinking it'd be nice to attend some games in the area.

I am attempting to figure out what conference Catholic U. is actually in. D3hoops lists them in the Capital Athletic Conference. Meanwhile, CUA's website lists the ODAC (just football I believe) and the Landmark Conference. However, there is also a link to the ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference). So I am thoroughly confused. Can anyone explain all of this to me? Is Landmark a new conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on October 15, 2007, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.

Great, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:52:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 07:44:45 PM
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on October 15, 2007, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.

Great, thanks for the information.

DCHN - I'll be living in DC this spring (directing the honors program) and plan to regularly attend CUA games. We'll have to drive up there together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 09:27:25 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:52:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 07:44:45 PM
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.

Yeah, no, it was installed between my sophomore and junior years, the summer of 1992. 100% confident of this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 05, 2007, 12:08:14 PM
Catholic has played preseason games against American in the past, but their schedule has no mention of any steps up against DI or DII competition before the season starts. Anybody know if there are any of those games this season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on November 07, 2007, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 09:27:25 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:52:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 07:44:45 PM
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.

Yeah, no, it was installed between my sophomore and junior years, the summer of 1992. 100% confident of this.

I'm happily corrected. I do seem to remember playing on the wood floor, so that would make sense I guess.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:03:45 PM

Folks -

I am normally a poster in the Centennial Conference room. However, I found this link on the Conference website to an article in The Baltimore Sun containing pre-season previews more than just the Maryland members of the Centennial Conference. So, I am also posting it and sharing in the rooms of several other conferences: AMCC, CAC, and Landmark.

The link follows below:

//http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-sp.smallcaps06nov06,0,2462025.story?page=2

Enjoy! Bring on the season. Good luck to all teams. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 PM
Alright, Sox won the World Series, Pats are rolling, and I guess its time for me to be back posting about basketball.

I'm sure everyone missed me.  Thanks, you're too kind.

Anyway, its quite a different universe this year, isn't it?  New conference, lots of new players.  Looking forward to it.

No big D1 exhibitions for the Cards this year.  I think it makes sense--this is a YOUNG, YOUNG team and they'll need every second to learn how to play together and gel.

If ever there is to be a rebuilding year for Catholic, this is yet.  Haven't seen one since I've been around (almost 10 years ago...wow, I'm old).  But this is what happens when a team loses its coach and doesn't hire one for many months.  But no matter, I'm excited about the talent level on the Cardinals, its just that its concentrated among young players so expectations need to be realistic.

Long term, I think this team is going to be very, very good---able to live up to the tradition of excellence that Catholic has established.  This year? No idea, lets play the games and see.

I've seen the new floor and it looks awesome.  Much-needed update to the Cardinals logo is carried out on the floor.  Fitting for a new era of basketball.

Have to say, not really missing the CAC scene.  I think Landmark has the potential to be just as good, and eventually better than the CAC was and should make things a more level playing field outside of basketball.   You'd have to think that CUA-Scranton will be the 'marquee' rivalry in the league to start out with, but over time others will develop I'm sure.  Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival, but...that's what success does.

So here's to a good season.  And welcome back, Pat.  Now we're practically neighbors up the Toll Road (and Greenway for me).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2007, 07:58:53 PM
Long way to DuFour.  :-\
Title: Preseason All-Americans
Post by: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 12:49:56 PM
Hard to believe that no preseason all-americans were chosen from the Landmark Conference. I know Scranton returns two first-team all-league players in Bicknell and Arnold, and Juniata does too with Brian Cannon.

Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Preseason All-Americans
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 12:49:56 PM
Hard to believe that no preseason all-americans were chosen from the Landmark Conference. I know Scranton returns two first-team all-league players in Bicknell and Arnold, and Juniata does too with Brian Cannon.

Any thoughts on this?

There are 42 conferences and 25 preseason All-American slots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 06:02:20 PM
Pat,
Good Point! I just wondered what people thought and if there's any worthy candidates in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2007, 10:26:08 PM
There are certainly some good players in the Landmark... but I would have a hard time arguing a few them over those already selected.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cardinal3007 on November 13, 2007, 01:00:36 AM
New to the board and really looking forward to a great season of CUA hoops good luck to all the new schools in the conference Catholics bigs will surprise this year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 13, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 PM
Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival,

I guess I missed that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 13, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 PM
Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival,

I guess I missed that.
I will have to admit, I don't know if CUA was everyone's top rival. Sure... Goucher had its years, but when I arrived, and even to this day, YCP and GOU was a good rivalry. And Marymount always thought CUA was a rival, but I don't think it was felt the other way around. Salisbury, St. Mary's, and Gallaudet... rivals of CUA?

Sorry Matt, not all the teams!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 13, 2007, 09:11:29 PM
Ask Gandolf, Bald... ;D

No, D-Mac, obviously not every year.  But even you would have to admit that Catholic pretty much got everybody's best shot year in, year out, and a win against Catholic was a big deal for pretty much every other team in the conference.  Ask the Gally guys who did beat CUA last year if that was a big deal for them.  I know it was, they told me.

From the CUA side, I don't know that there was a particularly big rival--probably whoever was at the top of the conference at the top--Mary Wash for a while, plus you had bad blood between Lonergan and Wood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
Any Royal fans follow the team to the Landmark, or are they still clinging to the Freedom Board?


Season starts Friday..... Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2007, 08:56:10 PM
  I'll be here; guess Saratoga will check in also along with dmac from goucher and matt from catholic; don't know if juniata,moravian, or susque had any followers on this site.
  I plan to see the men's and women's games against Messiah in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 14, 2007, 09:07:19 PM
Hopefully we can gradually get people from every school checking in now and then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cacfan2 on November 14, 2007, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 PM
No big D1 exhibitions for the Cards this year.  I think it makes sense--this is a YOUNG, YOUNG team and they'll need every second to learn how to play together and gel.

If ever there is to be a rebuilding year for Catholic, this is yet.  Haven't seen one since I've been around (almost 10 years ago...wow, I'm old).  But this is what happens when a team loses its coach and doesn't hire one for many months.  But no matter, I'm excited about the talent level on the Cardinals, its just that its concentrated among young players so expectations need to be realistic.

Long term, I think this team is going to be very, very good---able to live up to the tradition of excellence that Catholic has established.  This year? No idea, lets play the games and see.


Also, Howes has gone through several complete coaching staff changes.  That has to be difficult.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: donnaoc on November 15, 2007, 11:09:55 AM
I can't wait for the season to begin....go Scranton!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2007, 05:41:28 PM
Word has it that the Royals have been picked as the team to beat this season in the Landmark. That's a nice compliment on paper...the real test, as always, gets accomplised each night on the court. From what I saw of Susquehanna last year...they'll be very tough as will Catholic...especially at home. I'm in D.C. through Sunday, so if Catholic is home on Sat. maybe I'll be able to get over there & catch some early season action. Best of luck to all the Landmark teams...this is already an excellent conference that is only going to get better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 15, 2007, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 15, 2007, 05:41:28 PM
Word has it that the Royals have been picked as the team to beat this season in the Landmark. That's a nice compliment on paper...the real test, as always, gets accomplised each night on the court. From what I saw of Susquehanna last year...they'll be very tough as will Catholic...especially at home. I'm in D.C. through Sunday, so if Catholic is home on Sat. maybe I'll be able to get over there & catch some early season action. Best of luck to all the Landmark teams...this is already an excellent conference that is only going to get better.

Catholic's at Widener for a tournament this season.  First home game is Tuesday against Haverford.

Scranton certainly is the team to beat.  Like I said, this is the year that CUA has to pay for the transition between Mike Lonergan and Steve Howes.  After Mike left, there was a gap of several months in which CUA had no coach, and as result, the recruiting class went elsewhere.  This year's Cardinal's have no seniors.  I think they're going to be a really good team, but I can't tell you exactly when and I hope that people have reasonable expectations for this particular season.  For the first time in a long while, though, Catholic starts out as something of an underdog.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 16, 2007, 11:07:44 PM
Catholic starts the season off with a win against Delaware Vallley, 64-60. 

The Cardinals will face Widener (defeated Williamson Trade 67-64)  in the championship game of the Oki Data Classic tomorrow afternoon.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2007, 11:39:14 PM
   Scranton beats Alvernia 80-73 @ Alvernia with better shooting and rebounding. Royals' turnovers on the dribble brought Alvernia back from 30-11 deficit to a 55-50 lead before numerous fouls put Scranton on the line(22-25) while Alvernia missed 6-7 final shots.
   The game was videostreamed over the internet and Scranton will play Walsh tomorrow @ 3 for the championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2007, 12:21:07 AM
Susquehanna beats Kean in OT, 87-80 in the first round of their own tourney. They face Mary Washington tomorrow at 3.

http://www.susqu.edu/sports/teams/MBasketball/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2007, 12:40:17 AM
With the opening round win tonight, the Royals will play Walsh Univ. for the championship tomorrow. This will be a serious test early on for Scranton as they will be playing an  NAIA team. These schools are generally noted for their love of all things athletic & diminished emphasis on anything academic. With two NAIA schools in this tourney...Alvernia must be reliving their former life as a member. Landmark 1/ MAC Freedom/PAC/NAIA-0.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2007, 06:03:48 PM
Susquehanna wins the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tourney with an 86-62 victory over Mary Washington.

Joel Patch and Kevin Cuff were named to the All-Tournament Team and Josh Robinson was MVP.

http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/default.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2007, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 17, 2007, 12:40:17 AM
With the opening round win tonight, the Royals will play Walsh Univ. for the championship tomorrow. This will be a serious test early on for Scranton as they will be playing an  NAIA team. These schools are generally noted for their love of all things athletic & diminished emphasis on anything academic. With two NAIA schools in this tourney...Alvernia must be reliving their former life as a member. Landmark 1/ MAC Freedom/PAC/NAIA-0.

First weekend in the books and Scranton wins Alvernia's Tip-Off Tourny by beating Alvernia and Walsh by the indentical scores of 80-73. Very impressed with Saturday's victory of NAIA powerhouse Walsh. As Saratoga said, this was a serious early test for the Royals. Walsh won the NAIA tourny in 2005 and features a 7'0 and 6'10 frontcourt. Great efforts from the whole team , especially Bicknell (MVP) and Arnold (all-tourny team).

Tuesday the Royals host future MAC-Freedom team, Miseri at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2007, 09:19:42 AM
Tuesday the Royals host future MAC-Freedom team, Miseri at the Long Center.

Freedom-bound Miseri? This is the Landmark Board. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 01:45:04 PM
Hey... busy weekend of basketball and I am at the Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament where Goucher is playing.

If anyone is curious about what is happening and can't make the game, I am blogging court-side on the Daily Dose.
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/11/24/court-side-at-the-provident-pride-tournament/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 25, 2007, 12:02:36 PM
Catholic defeated Haverford 66-62 on Tuesday, and Mount Union 80-74 yesterday.  They'll be play Case Western today at 4.

I saw the Cards play on Tuesday.  They're missing some key guys due to injuries at the moment, and Nick Oliverio, who will be their go to guard, is just now getting in the swing of things since he also plays football (he had 19 yesterday), so its a little tough to tell exactly what Catholic will look like once conference play starts.

However, I'll give them credit for hanging in there--in both wins they were down by 8-10 points deep in the second half and pulled it out.  In the Haverford game, Stolzenthaler showed why he's a captain and made some big plays.

I was also impressed with how far Jones has come--he moves very well for a big guy and plays hard.  DJ Johnston stood out amongst all the freshman.

Tough game for Catholic today, but this is has been a good learning experience for a young team.  They've really got a ton of talent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 25, 2007, 04:59:48 PM
Any score yet on the CUA - Case Western game ??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 25, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
Yeah, Catholic lost 74-70.

They were led by Johnston's 16.  Looks like they had a tough day from the field, but obviously held it pretty close anyway.

Frankly, that's a pretty good showing considering where they are at. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2007, 11:42:28 PM
Goucher did not play well this week. They are certainly young and have lots of inexperience on the team, but they blew late game leads in three straight games in the Provident Pride tourney. Not sure how to solve some of their problems, but there are a few players I wouldn't mind sitting down and asking if they understand the game of basketball from a thinking-mans point of view - one of which has been on the program for a few years.

Interestingly enough, Goucher tied an NCAA record for playing in three consecutive overtime games... and while the NCAA record book for Division III Basketball shows that Goucher is the first to lose all three of those OT games, it turns out they share that "honor" with Mass. College who also played in and lost three straight OT games at this point last year!
Title: Scranton
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2007, 10:49:14 AM
Scranton improves their record to 4-0 with a 70-67 victory over Ramapo (NJAC Pre-Season #1).


It appears Danzig has settled into an 8 man rotation....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 26, 2007, 03:06:38 PM
Susquehanna's Josh Robinson made the All-Tournament Team at the Radisson/Carnegie Mellon Tournament and is this week's Landmark Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Week: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Winter07-08/landmark1126.htm

D-mac, that's amazing about Goucher. I hope they have a nice break before the next game so they can catch their breaths!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2007, 09:49:43 AM
Saratoga, Ronk, or anyone else willing to respond:


Time to start talking about expectations. The Royals are 4-1 after giving back an 11 point lead with 7 minutes to play to Elizabethtown. However, they have already beaten quality opponents like Ramapo (on the road) and Walsh.


I think that this team is just as good as the Sweet Sixteen team from a few years ago. ( In fact this team may be a bit deeper.) I would expect from those around the program that anything short of winning the Landmark and playing a competitive NCAA tourny game ( ie not getting blown out by William Patterson) would be a dissapointment. Thoughts? Is this too lofty a goal?


On a side note....Hawk only played 7 minutes...Is he hurt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2007, 04:35:07 PM
 NEPAFAN,
     I've been attending the women's NCAA games in recent years and have  seen the men only on video(Alvernia this year, Kings last year), although I listen to all their games over the internet.  plan to see them Wed. @ Messiah, so I'll have a better idea then.
    That said, the sweet16 group(ODonnell,Elphick,Rogan,Loftus,etc.) was pretty tough mentally, which you need to advance in tourney competition. They beat a more talented team in Ursinus. with the help of the home court
   Any of the 5 games(3-road,1-neutral,1-home) this year could have been lost/won so it's to their credit that they've won 4. Losing the defensive stopper(Powell) will hurt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2007, 08:55:43 PM
NEPAFAN: I think the jury will be deliberating on the future fate of the Royals for a bit longer. Regardless of the closeness of last nights game with E-town, each & every loss in the Region could be the dagger that does them in. With no automatic berth for the Landmark...even the playoff winner has to rest their fate with the NCAA Selection Committee...and we all know those decisions regarding Pool B bids can leave even the bravest of the brave scratching their heads in disbelief. That's why blowing a double-didget lead with about 6 minutes to play is not the best signal to send. Scranton has had a tendency of not putting teams away when they are all but gift wrapped...and unfortunately for Royal fans, last night is just another example. The other rather bizarre tendency they've exhibited through recent years is simply not being ready to play from the tip. They fall behind by large amounts...scratch & claw their way back in the game & then go about 7 straight trips down the court without getting a shot off...turning it over via bad passes, walks, offensive fouls, you name it & end up losing by 3 or 4. This is a veteran team & they need to do a far better job protecting leads & being ready to play...for 40 minutes or however long it takes. Until they consistantly play like they are truly on a mission...the jury is out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2007, 10:43:44 PM
Catholic loses to Piedmont 92-88 at NC Weslyan tonight.

I wasn't there, but I'm a little suspicious on this one...Catholic outshot Piedmont--a blazing 56% for the night--and outrebounded Piedmont 40-24.

The difference was free throws...Piedmont had THIRTY attempts, Catholic NINE. 

Now, its obviously possible that Piedmont took the ball to the hoop a lot more, BUT...based on what I've seen so far, I'm dubious.

The vast majority of Catholic's points came from the bigs inside.  Its hard for me to believe they virtually never got fouled.  Some of these guys don't even have a jump shot, yet...nothing.

Odd.  I could understand that kind of discrepancy if Catholic was airmailing stuff all night, but that's obviously not what they were doing...they were playing and scoring in the paint.  And magically, apparently not getting fouled.  Like, ever.

Catholic plays Maine-Presque Island tomorrow.

Catholic's lost twice by 4 points...they're starting three freshman and 2 other freshman got double digit minutes tonight.  These guys will improve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
Matt... for starters... it is Maine-Presque Isle... not Island. I assure you... they are NOT located on or near an island up there, though it may feel like it. Presque Isle is located nearly as far north in Maine as you can get. I should know, I've been there on several occasions.

Secondly... update from Goucher. They set an NCAA Division III and tied the all-time NCAA record with their fourth-consecutive overtime game. Yes... they played Greensboro - who just beat #3 Guilford on Wednesday - to overtime. Actually... it was double-overtime.

However, that isn't the real story. It was the fact the Gophers came from 23 points down to force that overtime. I have seen a lot of things, but in the past week I have witnessed five overtime games in nine contests... including three of Goucher's four OT games. But this game was on a different level.

At half time, I didn't think Goucher had a chance. Greensboro is a very good team. They are very quick - actually running Goucher's team rampid... something many people who know Goucher is not something you can do. Whether Goucher is good or bad... they tend to be the team who runs and is quick. Greensboro was simply faster, more athletic, bigger, and shot a heck of a lot better.

But in the second half, something changed and Goucher went on a tear! They also hit some timely and unreal three-pointers and other big shots time after time late in the game to force OT... even answering Greensboro's big shots as if Goucher was actually the team that should have been the favorite from the beginning.

In the end... free throws were the reason Greensboro won... and Goucher lost. Oh, and I can't remember how many fouls were called... but at one point Greensboro only had three in the 2nd half as it was coming to an end. And neither team shot the double-bonus until Greensboro got that chance... in the 2nd OT!

So Goucher sets a record... unfortunetly (sp?) they have lost all four of those OT games. This is going to be a very good squad down the road!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2007, 12:01:05 AM
Oh... thought you might like reading the game story (http://"http://athletics.goucher.edu/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/113007gboro") from Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2007, 09:49:19 PM
Yes, I've been up almost that far, I just slipped on the name.  I have some relatives in Maine and in Canada.

In any event, Isle means Island, its a curious name either way unless you're French-Canadian, which half of me is...presque isle means, I believe penninsula, or something like that, which is where the town got its name, I think.   If I'm completely wrong on that, sorry, Mainers...

Whatever the case, their basketball team is not very good.  Catholic killed them, 80-38, shooting 66% in the second half after a slow start.   Freshman Jason Banzhof continued to impress, scoring 18.  13 (!!!) players scored for Catholic--Coach Howes got all his kids some time today.

Up next for Catholic....GOUCHER! Just like old times.  Wed. night at 7:30, the first Landmark Conference game for both teams.

Are you coming done to see history being made, D-Mac?  I'm going to try to get there if I don't have to work late.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2007, 11:40:17 PM
Matt... I am seriously thinking about it. To be honest, it depends on when a funeral for a former co-worker is. I would love to be there, but a Wednesday doesn't make it easier.

Pat - want to call the game for old-times sake, and for history :)! LOL!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2007, 08:51:08 AM
Well, I hope you can make it.   You won't really recognize things--new floor (which looks AWESOME by the way) and, well, pretty much a whole new team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2007, 09:55:54 AM
Scranton gets thumped in their Landmark HOME opener by a very impressive (at least for this game) Moravian team. The Royals were beaten in every phase of the game...especially on defense. They outhustled, out shot, out rebounded & out ran the Royals into submission. The game, especially in the second half, was not as close as the final score indicates. The Royals were never able to get into a flow offensively & on the defensive end, they were just plain bad. Moravian passed the ball with a precision that would make an Indiana high school coach proud as they time & again caught Scranton flat footed with their passes around the perimiter that found teammates wide, real wide, & very very wide open. So wide open in fact that the Greyhounds shot a blistering 69% from the field in the first half & an incredable 55% from 3 point land. Two straight losses in the Region & a Swiss cheese defense...the Royals have quite a bit of work ahead of them if they have any asperations of playing beyond the last game on the regular season schedule. Some bright spots for the Royals...the all-around play of freshman Zach Ashworth & the the hustle off the bench of Brendan Fuller. Some real good things are still possible for the Royals...but, the defensive intensity has to improve significantly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2007, 01:55:24 PM
From the ScrantonTimes

For as well as Moravian shot the ball, however, Scranton was sluggish on defense. The Greyhounds repeatedly were able to beat the Royals in transition, often leading to easy layups.

This from a Scranton team that has ranked in the top 20 in scoring defense in NCAA Division III each of the last three seasons.

"That is a concern, especially when you work on it all the time," Royals coach Carl Danzig said. "I thought we were well-prepared; we had them down pat. Basically, it comes down to effort. I don't think our effort was there."


Hopefully they got it out of their system. Where is the inside game? Scranton was the bigger team ...a couple of 6'8s and 6'6 ...to the Hounds 6'3 and 6'5 inside players....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2007, 09:02:31 PM
Sorry, can't make it. Wish it were Tuesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2007, 09:47:04 PM
Wow.

This is going to be a very interesting year.

I think Catholic will definitely compete, particularly in the second half of the season when they've got their rotations figured out and the freshman get their legs.  They should have the talent to play with anybody.

Perhaps Goucher can avoid overtime...for once!  Of course, I'm hoping the Gophers will be on the losing end of regulation, but frankly, for a while, anyway, I think pretty much every Cardinal game is going to be close.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2007, 10:16:06 PM
Matt... something to take into consideration about the Gophers that you haven't witnessed in YEARS. Goucher has a young squad who in most of the games I have seen this year, won't quit.

They came from 23 down on Greensboro... who is head and shoulders better than most teams I have seen in the Mid-Atlantic. Their problem right now is finding what group of guys plays best with one another and who is best off the bench, etc. They also have their best point-guard, in terms of experience, on the bench with a stubburd ankle injury.

I am not saying Goucher is going to win the conference, but I am saying that I wouldn't take this team lightly this year. They are going to win more than their fair share... as long as they don't go to overtime!

Speaking of that, Matt, you sure you want me at the game. Remember, five of the last nine games I have been at... have reached OT.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2007, 10:23:11 PM
Doesn't matter much being head and shoulders ahead of the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 05, 2007, 05:48:54 PM
Susquehanna's Frank Marcinek is going for his 250th career win tomorrow night against Misericordia. Where can I find all-time numbers on how many coaches have hit this mark? I checked D3Hoops' "Milestones" section but that lists year-by-year who hit what.  Pat? Dave? We've been googling around and not having much luck.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2007, 09:58:38 PM
Well, I wasn't able to make tonight's game at the DuFour Center... but I see the Gophers started their Landmark experience with a big win over a rival - Catholic.

I also see that Goucher didn't need to OT to do it - phew! Though, I suspect, if I had gone to the game... I bet the game would have headed into overtime... so all those at DuFour should thank me. Heck, I am thanking myself :).

TheGrove - good question. I actually think I have the answer, but I need to restart my computer to get it (long answer). Be back!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2007, 10:28:03 PM
TheGrove - the best answer I can actually come up with right now is that at least 70 coaches have achieved the feat... with plenty more I can't account for.

According to the 2008 NCAA Men's Basketball Record Book (http://"http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_records_book/2008/2008_m_basketball_records.pdf") - 70 coaches have won at least 275 games in Division III alone - heading into this season. But, they don't go past 70 on the list. I will continue to try and find the exact answer for you. But if someone else comes up with it, feel free to post it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 12:25:11 AM
Ugh.

I'm going to try to have perspective here.  When you don't score for the last 5:00 of a game, you really can't expect to win it.  But I am hopping mad about a late call, and that's the part that I'm going to try to be fair about.

Congrats to Goucher.  They showed a lot of heart to stay in this game and be in position to take advantage of the CUA meltdown.   They're cleary a better team than they were last year, and they played tough defense. 

Catholic had this game under control but then just completely...tough to describe.  This is where being young comes into play. They just went ice, and I mean ICE cold.  Rarely does something like that happen to a veteran team, but...a learning experience, I guess.  Pretty much everything that went wrong, did.  They missed wide open shots, every loose ball went to Goucher.   You've all seen it before.

D-Mac, I'm sure you'll be around the Goucher people enough to get their read on the call I'm upset about so I'm not asking you to take my word for it.  At the time, Goucher was up by 3, so I can't claim that the outcome of the game would have been different.  I'm not looking to place blame anywhere else anyway.

But...you've got just under a minute left, Gophers up 3 with the ball, and Catholic decides to foul to stop the clock.  So they do.  Or at least, you think they do...one guy gets fouled...no call...pass...that guy gets fouled...no call...another pass...THAT guy gets the usual end of game swipe, finally they call the foul.  Fine.  No big deal, the players all start to trudge to the line, whatever.  But then the ref walks toward the table with his hands up...intentional foul. 

I mean....I'm speechless.  That foul was about as routine as you will ever get.  It was not a hard foul, nobody was upset, you never would look at it twice.  The foul occured right in the area the player was holding the ball, and it was just one of those half hearted attempts to swipe at it.  To make that call...well, it was game over.  Goucher gets two free throws, two makes, gets the ball back.  CUA has to foul again, two more free throws, and we're done.

For me to claim that the outcome would have been different would be wrong.  I can't honestly do that.  But I can say that it might have made a difference.  I was about as mad as I've been at one of those games in a long, long time.  Of course that particular ref got ridden pretty hard for the remaining 45 seconds or so, but the other two officials out there knew it was a bad call and gave some leeway.

Uhh, next game Saturday.  Moving on...



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
Matt - won't honestly be around anyone for awhile to chat with them about the call... but will take your description as being odd. The usual description for a intentional foul is there was no attempt for the ball... but it sounds like that might have happened. Who knows.

As for Goucher... I told you they were not the same as last season :).
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 02, 2007, 10:16:06 PM
Matt... something to take into consideration about the Gophers that you haven't witnessed in YEARS. Goucher has a young squad who in most of the games I have seen this year, won't quit.

Matt... I wish I was there, but from your description... you saw the two polar opposites of young teams. Goucher has a very young team that is determined and won't quit, no matter what.
Catholic appears to have a young team that can struggle in tight games due to lack of experience and because they don't have that determination... yet!

Both these teams will be rising at the same time in the coming seasons... I will be very interested to see (Pat Cummings, did you read that line) where they go. Goucher shows the potential to be a very good team in this region. Curious where Catholic may end up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 10:18:32 AM
Right--that's been Goucher's MO this year and it showed.  They'll probably give a tough game to just about everybody. 

They're both young, but Goucher is practically a grizzled, veteran team compared to Catholic! Goucher has 3 seniors, 5 juniors, 3 sophomores, and 6 freshman on their roster.  Catholic has zero seniors, 5 juniors, 3 sophomores and 9 freshman.

Its easy to get wrapped up in the day to day, particularly after a bad loss (and it was), but Catholic's going to be fine.  These guys are physically very talented.  They've got great depth, and they have a huge height advantage (and therefore rebounding advantage) over just about everyone they've played.  It was the first collegiate game for their new big 6'8 stud, and Ryan Jones, who is really developing into a nice player, missed last night's game.

Sometimes the shots just don't fall--they had some good looks down the stretch, just didn't make the shots--and sometimes the other team makes some great plays.  You just have to tip your cap to your opponent and not let your own team get derailed. 

The difference between the really good teams and the subpar ones isn't just losing, its how you respond to it. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on December 06, 2007, 10:41:19 AM
It is nice to see old foes changing roles.

Hopefully Catholic continues to struggle, at York we are loving it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2007, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 05, 2007, 10:28:03 PM
TheGrove - the best answer I can actually come up with right now is that at least 70 coaches have achieved the feat... with plenty more I can't account for.

According to the 2008 NCAA Men's Basketball Record Book (http://"http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_records_book/2008/2008_m_basketball_records.pdf") - 70 coaches have won at least 275 games in Division III alone - heading into this season. But, they don't go past 70 on the list. I will continue to try and find the exact answer for you. But if someone else comes up with it, feel free to post it.

Thanks, D-mac. I can't pull up that PDF (it keeps timing out), but I think it's a site problem, because I tried to pull up another PDF on the NCAA site and that's not working either. Anything else you find is greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2007, 09:21:26 PM
Try the site again - I pulled off a few PDF's today to save.

And Matt, yes... Goucher has three seniors, but their best players aren't necessarily those guys. Some of the underclassmen are the guys hitting the big shots and making the big plays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 11:18:52 PM
I know, but at least they've played more than once in their own building, unlike 9 of Catholic's players until last night.  And remember, we only see a tiny percentage of what goes on on a basketball team. Veteran leadership doesn't just happen during games, it happens during practice every day.  Sometimes its those upperclassman who never really play in big situations and don't fill up the stat sheet that are important players to team chemistry and leadership in practice.

I agree with your take on Goucher, I'm just saying that even for a young team, Catholic is very extreme this year due to the situation with the coaching change a few years ago.  They're going to have bumps on the road, as evidenced by last night, but even in that game...some of those guys were showing great promise out there. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2007, 11:08:12 AM
Where to begin? I won't start with the Royals blowing an 11 point lead with 7 minutes to play against E-town. Or their poor effort against Moravian on Wall of Fame Day.

How about scoring 4 points in the first 10 minutes against Moravian? Several bad passes to no one, turnovers left and right, ice cold shooting. Calling a few timeouts did nothing to shake up the team....so how about benching all 5 starters and seeing what the bench can do? Isn't that why these Freshman were recruited?

Royals look great for 4 games, awful for 3.


In another note...I see Susquehanna lost to Misercordia..and is 0-2 in NEPA ( they also lost to Wilkes)..mild upset it you ask me.


Somewhere Colonel John is smiling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MR. PAC on December 07, 2007, 09:31:15 PM
Wasn't Paul Hawk injured in those losses.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2007, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: MR. PAC on December 07, 2007, 09:31:15 PM
Wasn't Paul Hawk injured in those losses.


Yes I believe so. His little brother is also out for the year. Tough break.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2007, 07:48:37 PM
I've recently read where the Radisson Hotel in Scranton gave the UofS $5,000 as the corporate sponsor of the upcoming Radisson Invitational Tournament. No offense to the schools coming in(Lancaster Bible, Lycoming & Wesley)...but, one would think that with that kind of seed money as well as the discounts on the rooms at this magnificent hotel...Scranton should be able to bring in much bigger names in D-III basketball. Last year they brought in a team that played about 15 games a year as well as a team(SUNY-Morrisville) that was in only their 1st. or 2nd. year of d-III competition. Whatever happened to trying to get schools like Hamilton, Rochester, F&M, Ursinus, Johns Hopkins, or Williams & the like that have great academics & great basketball histories as the competition? Since most of the tournaments are held when the students are home on semester break, one would think that the best way to get the local alums out over the Holidays would be to schedule teams with a certain tradition. If it's just about the chance for at least one Regional win...carry on. However, if it's about trying to put together a truly 1st. class tournament...one that befits both the UofS and the Radisson...then there is some work to do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2007, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 14, 2007, 07:48:37 PM
Whatever happened to trying to get schools like Hamilton, Rochester, F&M, Ursinus, Johns Hopkins, or Williams & the like that have great academics & great basketball histories as the competition?

toga, you mean like the good old days when Bess used to bring in D-II's like King's, Mansfield, Slippery Rock, Kutztown, Hartwick, Philadelphia Textile, Buffalo, along with D-III powers like Hamilton, William Patteron led by Clinton Wheeler, Muskingum with the Dalkowski Brothers, Buffalo St., etc.? You mean those years? Remember the Kodak Classic Scranton played in back in 1987 when all four teams were highly ranked? How about the East Stroudsburg Holiday Classic back in 1975-76 when Scranton and Amherst were the lone D-III schools out of the eight competing schools?
By the way, you being an alum of yesteryear, do you honestly think F&M would ever come to Scranton for a regular season game? Check the host sites of the Mid-Atlantic Regional tournament history to see what I mean. Record books don't lie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2007, 11:52:35 AM
Guys-

I can't get that upset about the field at the Radisson Invitational.

1) Isn't it alumni weekend for the team? Alums want to see a win.
2) Recruits showed up last year for the tourny according to Saratoga. Recruits want to see a win.
3) Tough year for scheduling with the move to the Landmark.


My bigger long term concern is getting a Center to replace Bicknell next year.

Anyone know anything about Hartwick?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
CC: You nailed it. Those were some pretty hotly contested games with no cupcakes allowed. Good call on the Dalkowski brothers...I believe Myron was the bruser who could have auditioned as another Hanson brother from "Slapshot". As for me, I'll take a tough hard-earned victory over a walk in the park vs. a team not ready for prime time any day. I'd much rather see the Royals win by one against Williams than beat the Sisters Of The Poor by 30 any day of the week. CC, you are correct...F&M does not like to venture outside of Mayser unless court ordered...especially in recent years. NEPA: Hartwick has a guard from Jersey that never received a pass that couldn't be turned into a shot. They also have a freshman that's been helping them out on the boards & scoring a little as well. Scranton won by around 15/20 up there last year...they should win at home...should. My rating of the current Radisson field...D-... the only saving grace is Lyco. If I were representing the Radisson, I'd demand a refund & an audit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2007, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 15, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
If I were representing the Radisson, I'd demand a refund & an audit.

That's a good one. :)
Good story about the Dalkowski's. I was at the 1983 Final Four in Grand Rapids, MI, when Scranton beat Wittenberg for the title. There was a guy sitting next to me that looked familiar but I couldn't place him. He was into the game like a die-hard and rooted so hard for Scranton I thought he was going to have a heart attack. Everytime a foul was called on Wittenberg the guy would get up and yell at the player mercifully. The guy knew their players better than I knew Scranton's and you know that's amazing.
Anyway, Scranton wins and this guy, like all the fans, ran onto the court to celebrate. He was so fired up over the win it was incredible. About an hour or so later when he and everyone else finally calmed down, I asked him if he had a relative playing for Scranton and how he knew the Wittenberg players so well.
Ready for this? He was Mr. Dalkowski, father of the twins at Muskingum. He hated Witt with a passion and travelled to Grand Rapids just to see them get beat, even though Musky bombed them twice during the season. Now that's hate.
I later realized I saw him during Scranton's Holiday tourney back in December and we talked briefly at halftime of the tourney final. He said he remembered me which is why he sat next to me but was puzzled why I didn't say hello to him or talk with him. I really couldn't remember him until he told me afterwards. Funny stuff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2007, 11:39:40 PM
CC: I'm sure there is a degree of mutual distaste in the Ohio Athletic Conference to this very day. Those kids were players & say what you want...Bess never ducked anybody.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 10:57:06 AM
NEPA: Just a little more on the Royals next opponent...the Hartwick Hawks. In their most recent game vs. RIT, they(Hartwick) were down 25 points with just over 12 minutes left in the game & went on a 21-0 run over the next 4 1/2 minutes to cut the lead to 59/55. After a back & forth 3 minutes, Hartwick made their free throws as well & put RIT away for a huge conference victory. As for the Wick guard I mentioned a few posts ago...well, he finished the night with 43 points with 31 coming in the second half. This player...Jan Cocozziello nailed 6 of 9 three-pointers & hit 12 of 17 free throws down the stretch. Now that's a player putting the rest of his team on his back & getting it done. As the stats would indicate...he not only lets them fly from the outside, he drives to the basket as well & is more than happy to get the reach-ins & go to the line. Considering Scranton's Horrible & that is Horrible with a capital "H" perimiter defense...(please refer to Moraivian game) the Royals need to be vastly improved or they may be lit up once again like the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 16, 2007, 09:25:09 PM
The Catholic University men's basketball team (5-5) defeated the Villa Julie Mustangs (2-7) Sunday night in its final game of 2007. CUA faced the Mustangs at Towson University in a neutral meeting of the two teams. The Cards led from the opening minutes and carried the comfortable lead to the end getting the 75-60 victory.

The Cards tok the lead in the first half and never looked back as their strong defense didn't allow the Mustangs to get into double digits until less than four minutes left in the half. Strong shooting and impressive defense allowed the Mustang to shoot just 17 percent in the half. Wes Parker (Germantown, Md./Northwest) had an outstanding half for the Cards leading the squad in both points and rebounds. Parker had 14 points, including a 4-5 performance from beyond the arc, and four rebounds. His classmate Jason Banzhaf (Livingston, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) added eight points for CUA. The Cardinals shot 48 percent, commited just three turnovers and held a 23-19 advantage in rebounds. The Mustangs were allowed no offensive rebounds as the CUA big men pounded the boards. The Cards went into half leading 36-14.

The second half was much like the first and though the Cardinals continued to dominate, the Mustangs began to shoot better attempting to close the gap. In the fast-paced contest a layup, foul and turnover cut the Cardinal lead to just 11 as theMustangs started to hit. Just as Villa Julie gained momentum trapping the backcourt, the Cards countered by drawing fouls and scoring at the line. Holding on to a 16-point lead with two minutes remaining the Mustangs were forced to foul and CUA sailed to the 75-60 win.

Parker finished with 22 to lead all scorers he also had a team-high nine rebounds, two assists, a block and a steal for the all-around performance. Banzhaf finished with 12 and Danny Quinn (Annapolis, Md./Archbishop Spalding) had nine points in the contest. The Cards finished strong shooting 51.9 percent for the game to Villa Julie's 31.8 as well as outrebounding the Mustangs 43-35. The only category where the Mustangs outperformed the Cardinals was in turnovers as CUA commited 17 and Villa Julie had 14.

The Cardinals will break for the holidays but return to action to host the CUA Classic at the DuFour Center on January 5-6. The Cards will play Salve Regina in the 4 p.m. game on Saturday.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2007, 09:37:10 PM
   With regard to the Radisson, I would think the Royals being in Pool B these 2 years would want to play strong teams, raising their strength of schedule like inviting one of the good Ohio schools, a good ODAC school, and one of the eastern UAA schools. Lancaster Bible and Wesley aren't going to help come selection time and we've just finished playing Lycoming twice a year. Let's improve the team by upgrading, not downgrading.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 09:43:52 PM
Exactly my point. The past few tournaments the Royals have held have been, shall we say...heavy on the lackluster side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2007, 09:46:41 PM
Thanks for the info on Hartwick.  Please don't bring up the bad memories of the Moravian game.


The Scranton-Hartwick game is now a Businessman's Special as a result of the wintry weather. Tip off at 3pm on Tuesday at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 10:05:40 PM
What is up with this 3:00 start on Tuesday? I fully understand Hartwick may have problems heading down from Upstate New York tomorrow & moving the game to Tuesday is a good move for basic safety...but, 3:00? This will now have the atmosphere of an inter-squad scrimmage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2007, 01:11:04 PM
Scranton beats Hartwick by 14 and Arnold drops 30.


Paid attendance? 200. More like 20 if I had to guess.



How many days till the Radisson?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 20, 2007, 03:39:32 PM
Here's Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season !!! may the new year be filled with love , peace, and good health thru out ... also some really good basketball..

HAPPY HOLIDAY'S   !!!!!!!

GO CARDS
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
Scranton goes down to Lycoming in the Championship of the Radisson.


"I was proud of the effort. We put ourselves in a position to win, doing it without one of our all-conference players," Danzig said. "In the long run, we're going to be better off for this. Now guys know we can play without him. Other guys got a chance to play and that will make them better, too."



Proud of the effort? Missing 11 of your first 13 shots is a good effort? Royal's didn't start playing until 5 minutes left in the first half. ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 07, 2008, 11:05:15 AM
I guess it's true what they say that some coaches are great recruiters and others are great with x's and o's.
Understand where I'm coming from?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
The first weekend of conference action is upcoming. Anyone wondering how their team will do with back-to-back games?

I saw Goucher play back-to-back games last week against two non-conference opponents. Honestly, very smart scheduling my Coach Trevino to get his team used to playing on back-to-back nights before conference action starts. However, the team seemed to struggle in the second game and weren't ready. That could be devestating when it comes to conference play.

The team that can put together more weekend sweeps than splits will have the early edge in this conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on January 07, 2008, 05:50:37 PM
Catholic played back-to-back for the fourth time this season this past weekend. I think Coach Howes planned this for a reason. Coincidently they are 4-4 having split in all four tournaments. I think it will depend on which team you play on which night. Sometimes they look strong, and sometimes they look shaky. I think this will happen for most teams in the conference. This will make for some REALLY good games and some REALLY bad games considering two teams might both show up on an off night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2008, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 07, 2008, 11:05:15 AM
I guess it's true what they say that some coaches are great recruiters and others are great with x's and o's.
Understand where I'm coming from?


How about motivaters???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: naismith on January 09, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
nepa, cc

don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

CC, did u get to Wilkes-Kings?
Real nice game and CJ was on his best behavior.

Think he might have matured a bit??

Naismith
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 10, 2008, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 09, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

Are you hinting this bored is dead? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2008, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 10, 2008, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 09, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

Are you hinting this bored is dead? :)

Just a bit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2008, 10:57:10 AM
Well, if for no other reason than to get things going a little, I'll say that Catholic was missing Nick Oliverio, its starting shooting guard who was the only real scorer carried over from last year for this past weekend's games.  He'll be back soon, though.

My assessment is still the same--they're talented, they've got some great players, but they're very, very young.  The way to look at it is to evaluate freshman play after each game.  Win or lose, would take Catholic's freshman players or their opponents?  And there aren't too many freshman I've seen so far that I'd take over most of the group that Catholic has.  They're getting around 48 ppg from freshman.

I'm most excited about Chris McGrew--I think he'll be an absolutely dominant center in this conference and level.  He's 6'8 with a good jump shot and makes his free throws.  His away from the basket game is probably ahead of his inside game at this point but he's still a dominant rebounder.   When he's on the court, the offense flows much better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
NEPAFAN: With "Spin" like the one recently tossed out by the Royals head coach...James Carville & Andy Card better watch their backs. It would seem if the coaching career doesn't work out, Coach Danzig will certainly do well working for either the Republican or Democratic National Committee. The comments about  the Royals recent "effort" although laudable...is pure fiction through & through. Rather than enabling this "team", perhaps dealing in Reality Therapy might be a good first step toward recovery.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...

First we have to find those places. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2008, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...

First we have to find those places. ;D


Please rename the board Scranton-Catholic Chatline.

Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
NEPAFAN: With "Spin" like the one recently tossed out by the Royals head coach...James Carville & Andy Card better watch their backs. It would seem if the coaching career doesn't work out, Coach Danzig will certainly do well working for either the Republican or Democratic National Committee. The comments about  the Royals recent "effort" although laudable...is pure fiction through & through. Rather than enabling this "team", perhaps dealing in Reality Therapy might be a good first step toward recovery.


Spot on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
Weak, very weak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 04:07:34 PM
Don't tell Dave you're writing out Goucher. :)

Trying to promote the site a little more on places like Facebook.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 04:14:42 PM
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2008, 04:26:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2008, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...
First we have to find those places. ;D
Please rename the board Scranton-Catholic Chatline.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 04:07:34 PM
Don't tell Dave you're writing out Goucher. :)
AHEM!!! Excuse me!!! Do you just skip some of the posts around here?! Jeez! What the heck am I good for? (OK, please don't answer that, I might get answers I don't want :)).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Susquehanna 78
Scranton 71

Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Juniata 95
Moravian 90 (OT)

Merchant Marine 66
Goucher 62
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2008, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Susquehanna 78
Scranton 71

Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Juniata 95
Moravian 90 (OT)

Merchant Marine 66
Goucher 62



Another L for Scranton. Look for some positives....Ashworth a Freshman is looking pretty good...other than that slim pickins for good news ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Thus far, the Royals are pulling what has become all too familiar in recent years. Taken out of games early, not ready to play from the tip, trying to overcome huge deficits late & simply not not maturing as a team. A very experienced & battle tested group under-achieving yet again. I really feel for Tom Bicknell...he busts his butt every game & usually has to go 35 minutes a game banging with multiple bigs from opposing teams & he plays as hard at the end of the game as he does out of the gate. It's about time some of the other kids quit reading the press clippings from high school & start contributing. By the way, take a look at the points given up by Scranton this year...think Canio's absence is evident? Although picked to win the Landmark...I would not be surprised to see the Royals get another "L" at Juniata today & again at Albright on Wed's. A promising season at the start is on the ropes... should the Royals not regroup & redifine their season today, they may have a hard time reaching 14 wins let alone the Landmark championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 12, 2008, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 04:14:42 PM
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.

I'm hurt, you've forgotten about me???  :o

PS - Susquehanna moves to 3-0 in Landmark play with today's 92-81 win over Moravian. And Frank Marcinek got his 250th career win last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2008, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 12, 2008, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 04:14:42 PM
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.

I'm hurt, you've forgotten about me???  :o

PS - Susquehanna moves to 3-0 in Landmark play with today's 92-81 win over Moravian. And Frank Marcinek got his 250th career win last night.

Get some of your buddies on the site, my man!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 12, 2008, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2008, 12:00:24 AM
Birmingham-Southern has a more talented group of freshmen, but that's ok, I know the question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on January 13, 2008, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 12, 2008, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)
I doubt anyone has more freshmen (9, by my count). And they have size, and I think play hard (I'm going on the basis of one game I've seen in person - Friday night against Drew). But, good Lord, the shooting was cover-your-eyes ugly, for both teams. I hope D-Mac was referring to CUA when he noted the improved shooting. On the basis of this one game, I'd have to say Hope's freshmen are quite a bit further along, but there's half again as many. I'll be seeing more games, and am eager to see how CU improves over the course of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2008, 11:36:50 PM
I was refering to USMMA... if you look at the stats for their games in the winning streak... they are shooting the ball very well from beyond the arc and from the line. Jumpers and inside... they are ok, but when you can hit well from outside and then you are picking up the easy points from the line... it goes a LONG way to winning.

In the game against Goucher, the Gophers shot 8-18 from the line and they were 6-16 from 3 point land, but only 1-7 in the second half.
Merchant Marine shot 10-14 from the free throw line and 6-14 from the beyond the arc, including 4-6 in the 2nd half.
Mariners won by 4. Thanks to those stats primarily!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2008, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 12, 2008, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)


While I can't argue , I think I liked the board when it was dead.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2008, 10:11:30 PM
Scranton pulls out a huge win on the road at 10-2 Albright to stop the slide. Freshman Zach Ashworth drives the length of the floor with 5 seconds left in OT & lays one in with .09 second left to win it after Albright just tied it up. Randy Arnold's consecutive games started streak is over...he's started every game since his freshman year...the shoulder injury is just not allowing him any mobility. Another double/double for Tom Bicknell. Defense wins games...Scranton keeps teams under 70 they win...over 70 they lose. Hard to head into the conference schedule without your 4 year point guard but, it is what it is so keep making the best out of a tough situation. Should be a nice ride home tonight...finally!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2008, 08:52:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 15, 2008, 10:11:30 PM
Scranton pulls out a huge win on the road at 10-2 Albright to stop the slide. Freshman Zach Ashworth drives the length of the floor with 5 seconds left in OT & lays one in with .09 second left to win it after Albright just tied it up. Randy Arnold's consecutive games started streak is over...he's started every game since his freshman year...the shoulder injury is just not allowing him any mobility. Another double/double for Tom Bicknell. Defense wins games...Scranton keeps teams under 70 they win...over 70 they lose. Hard to head into the conference schedule without your 4 year point guard but, it is what it is so keep making the best out of a tough situation. Should be a nice ride home tonight...finally!


Great effort from the Freshman  Ashworth and the rest of the Royals. Must be something in the water at Central Bucks High School.
Although, it sounded like they were still being beaten on the boards. I thought another Freshman Bogovich was going to be a monster on the boards, but he has been MIA.


Saratoga any word on how long Arnold and O'Connell are out? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
Susquehanna now stands at 5-0 in the Landmark after sweeping Drew and Merchant Marine this weekend.

Now I bet you wish there were no Susquehanna posters, eh?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 08:56:07 PM
I don't. I wish there were more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2008, 04:24:05 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 PM[But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)

Judging by Saturday's debacle, perhaps they're not inconsistent enough? (ahem).
Youth is no excuse and from what I witnessed, the inconsistent team played without two of its top three starters. (ahem II).
It was the first game I saw this year since coming home for the weekend. I haven't missed much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2008, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 20, 2008, 04:24:05 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 PM[But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)

Judging by Saturday's debacle, perhaps they're not inconsistent enough? (ahem).
Youth is no excuse and from what I witnessed, the inconsistent team played without two of its top three starters. (ahem II).
It was the first game I saw this year since coming home for the weekend. I haven't missed much.


Well, when you shoot 28%, you aren't going to score much.

I don't think one game erases my point.  In fact, that was the first game all season that they weren't in.  Take a look at their losses...by 4 to Moravian, 5 to Merchant Marine in OT, by 3 to CMU, 4 to Piedmont, 4 to Case Western...etc.  With the exception of that one game to Scranton, in the first back to back away trip for them, they've come up just short.  It stands to reason that next season when these players are more mature and know what they're facing, some of those close losses will be close wins. 

Basically, this season is prepartion for next year.  At 10-6, Scranton is still a long shot for a Pool B (maybe they'll make a run, they certainly have the talent and coaching to do so), but if they don't make it, than I don't really see why I wouldn't rather be in Catholic's position.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2008, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2008, 09:17:21 PM
(.....they certainly have the talent and coaching to do so)

Matt, you got the first part right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2008, 09:55:35 AM
Well I look forward to seeing for myself when they come down to Washington.  Hopefully it will be a better game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2008, 06:29:41 PM
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19215201&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=422129&rfi=6


Donnie Collins commentary on the Landmark Conference and Scranton.

Highlights...

-Playing back to back days may be the biggest challenge.
-Danzig believes the level of play may be higher in the Landmark compared to the Freedom.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 23, 2008, 10:08:12 AM
Nepa Fan, thanks for highlighting that very interesting Landmark article.  In this morning's Allentown Morning Call, sport's section, i see that four of the top Men's Landmark teams ARE former MAC.  It makes one wonder why Coach Danzig would say the level of competition is "better".   Coach Strong was brutally honest - thank you again for posting that piece.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2008, 08:38:18 PM
Kate,


Is that article online?


What does everyone think of this?


Landmark To Hold First Institute
MADISON, N.J. - The Landmark Conference will host its first Academic Collaboration/Integration Institute Feb. 5-6 at the Hyatt Regency on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. The two-day event will bring together administrators and student-athletes from each of the eight institutions in the Division III athletics conference in an effort to try and foster collaborative efforts in areas of collegiate life outside of athletics.

Attending the Institute will be the Chief Executive Officers, Chief Academic Officers, Athletics Directors, Faculty Athletics Representatives and Student-Athlete Advisory Committee Advisors for all eight Landmark institutions, as well as two Student-Athlete Advisory Committee members from each institution.

The featured speakers for the Institute will be Daniel T. Dutcher, the NCAA Vice President for Division III and Dr. Christopher Thomforde, the President of Landmark Conference member Moravian College and a former Division I student-athlete at Princeton University.

"This Institute is a major step in achieving one of the principle missions of the Landmark Conference which is to produce collaborative efforts between our institutions outside the realm of athletics," said Landmark Commissioner Dr. John Reeves. "We are fortunate to have people with the expertise of Dan Dutcher and the experience and background of Chris Thomforde to insure that this is a positive, worthwhile event."

The Institute will begin on Tuesday Feb. 5 with a presentation from Dutcher regarding the membership issues currently facing Division III. Following that will be a reception and dinner with informal meetings among the constituency groups.

The event will resume Wednesday morning with roundtable discussions between and among the various constituency groups.Topics will include academic collaboration in areas such as study abroad, research and grant submissions, the role of athletics in the Division III community, integration of faculty into athletics, sportsmanship initiatives and membership issues facing Division III.  Each roundtable will be followed by a breakout session with each group reporting on its discussion. The goal of the discussions will be to provide the Landmark office with one action item for follow-up for the calendar year.

The Institute will conclude on Wednesday with a presentation by Thomforde about the challenges and benefits of properly balancing athletics and academics.

"We believe the Institute provides a wonderful opportunity for the leaders of our institutions to meet and discuss relevant issues face-to-face, and to be inspired by the energy surrounding the Landmark Conference," said Dr. Tom Kepple, President of Juniata College and chair of the Landmark Conference Executive Board. "To hear from all of these constituencies, particularly our outstanding student-athletes, will be beneficial for everyone and we look forward to making great progress over the course of the two days."


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 23, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Nepa Fan, the stats for the Landmark, mens & womens; the MAC, men & women are printed weekly in the Morning Call on Wednesdays.  That meeting next month sounds like what every conference should have at least twice a year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2008, 10:42:34 PM
    I remember seeing Chris Thomforde play for Princeton- a pretty decent 6' 9" center. Hopefully, he can also do the job educationally and leadershipwise in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 01:25:59 AM
ANYONE chatting about the games on here?

I was at the Juniata/Goucher game... which the Gophers came from behind with some very tough and aggressive defense to win tonight. Goucher has shown all season long they are a second half team and tonight they really frustrated the Eagles guards with their defense. The surprising thing was how easily the Eagles broke the Gophers full-court press in the first half and part of the second. But Goucher made some adjustments and the Eagles struggled with it for the last ten minutes of the game.

Goucher's record shouldn't be taken lightly. While they are a young team that is still trying to find what works, when they are shooting well (which they did tonight) and playing tough defense, they are going to be very tough to beat - especially at home.

Now... I would like to say how impressed I have been so far with some of the teams that have visited Goucher this season for either the first time... or the first time in a long time. The fan support for the traveling teams have been very impressive. Goucher's gym has had some great crowds, in terms of support, a lot this season - more than it did in its late years with the CAC. You would think the fans in the CAC would travel more - since the distances are shorter. But so far the Landmark opponents' fans have certainly shown they support their teams on the road. Hats off!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Some of it is probably the excitement of seeing new places vs. interest kind of waning in the CAC (and lets face it, Goucher wasn't exactly much a draw there at the end), but that's great to hear.  It will take time for the league to develop but road trips help!

I just haven't see as many games this year, its much tougher to travel with the little one, and I can't get back into DC twice on a weekend.   We're going to go today though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 11:47:55 AM
Outside of whether Goucher was a good team, thus a draw... I just like the fact a team's fan base likes to travel with them. CUA is about the only team I knew that traveled well as a fan base in the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 12:24:35 PM
True.  We used to get a decent contingent of MW people when they were good, but that petered out the last few years. 

I may not even make it up to SRC this year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 01:00:52 PM
Sheesh Matt! The CUA/GOU game is on my birthday! You should be there strickly to wish the PA a happy birthday, right?! Just kidding!

Believe it or not, while I am required to be at games, it has actually been a fight for me to get to the SRC this season as well - but I won't bore you with the boring "work" problems.

If you make it, I will look forward to your comments about the refs from behind me ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2008, 03:25:52 PM
    I'm looking forward to Matt's comments also since a friend will be reffing the Scranton-CUA men's game and I plan on attending both doubleheaders that weekend. BTW, he worked your Goucher men's game yesterday but I haven't had a chance to discuss with him how it went.
     On another topic-since the Landmark adopted the UAA's partners travel and games on weekends, why didn't they adopt their no conference playoff idea also, especially with no AQ for the winner the next 2 years, anyways? Seems like that would be consistent with minimizing class disruptions. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 04:33:41 PM
Lots of conferences have travel partners and since this one doesn't span from Boston to St. Louis I think the major reasoning behind forgoing a conference tournament is eliminated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2008, 07:57:11 PM
Scranton puts in two lackluster performances at Kings Point and Drew and goes 1 and 1. I was not in attendance ( listened on the net, which was interesting in that you could hear Danzig yelling to cover the shooter and rebound) ..maybe someone in attendance ( Kings Point/Drew fans?) can shed some light into the games. The Landmark has not been too kind to Scranton thus far.


I am trying to figure out how some rivaliries will develop in this league, obviously Scranton-Catholic could be one of those rivaliries when both teams are playing well......Goucher/Catholic? Anyone and Susquehanna? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 08:18:44 PM
Goucher/Catholic is an already very well established rivalry. And it date backs YEARS (11 or 12).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2008, 09:18:39 PM
  In a spreadout conference like this, the most likely rivalry will develop not by geographical proximity, but by whom you have to beat over the years  to win the NCAA AQ berth via the conference post season playoff. If the programs aren't consistently good enough to meet this way, I don't see a rivalry developing. It'll just be another game on the schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
Well, I won't disappoint my fans tonight, since I'm going to b*tch about the officiating tonight since it was horrible.  I think both sides would agree on that.

Which is too bad, because it was a very good game today at DuFour.  Very competitive and well coached--both coaches made multiple switches on the defensive end which had a great impact on the game.

In the end, Juanita won in overtime, so congrats to them.  Cannon had a great game is a really nice player.  Catholic played as well as I've seen them play in a while and made a great push to send it to OT.

But honestly...there were 3 fouls called on Juanita with 3:00 left in the 2nd half.  3! And its not like Catholic was standing around shooting jumpshots, they kept sending the ball in, Quinn was getting grabbed and bumped all over the place and the only thing that got called was an offensive foul when the defender wasn't even close to being set.  How can that be?  Nobody commits 3 fouls in 17 minutes, its just not possible, at least in this kind of game when you have attempts in the paint.

But my biggest beef came on the last play of regulation...Catholic is down 3 and gets the ball with 7 seconds left.  Because Juanita has so few fouls, they can afford to foul a few times and do as the ball is being brought up court.  Fine.  Catholic inbounds, sends the ball over to the corner to Stolzenthaler who really isn't a three point shooter.  But he's behind the arc, so the Juanita defender moves to maul him.  Well he side steps him a little bit, and goes up for the shot, at which point he gets hit hard right on his elbow.  It was as clear as day.  Now his form wasn't exactly pretty but somehow the shot went in (frankly, if he had used a perfect form, he never would have made it since he got hit).  It was incredible...and I'm thinking Oh My God---game tied plus the foul.

Except no whistle.  Now, it was blatantly obvious what was going on.  Those refs--particular the older one, who all CAC fans will know ("old guy") who has been known to pack it in--had no desire to ref overtime.  So no matter what happened, they weren't going to call a foul on a 3 attempt.  But they didn't bank on Sean actually hitting it, since it was such a low percentage shot.

Bottom line...with no time on the clock, he should have been at the line shooting a free throw to win the game.  As it was "old guy" grab the ball and walked back to the scorers table literally shaking his head as if to say "damn, I can't believe I still have to work."  It was really a poor performance and that guy needs to retire.  Of course, the other ref was the same one that called the intentional on Sean at the end of the Goucher game on a ho hum swipe to stop the clock, so...don't look to him.  He needs to study the block/charge rule while he's at it.

Well, at least those lazy refs did have to officiate the overtime period, which was surprisingly well played by both sides. 

In OT, Juanita made their free throws, Catholic didn't (4-4 vs 1-3), and that's your ballgame.  Disappointing loss, but at least they're still fighting.  But...next 4 games on the road...tough.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2008, 11:33:39 PM
NEPAFAN: "Lackluster" just about sums it up. Just when you think the Royals have figured it out & are ready to play as they are capable of playing...they revert to their "apathy defense" & get kicked in the head yet again @ USMMA. Then today, as usual, Drew makes Scranton play their game & tempo & has about 3 chances to beat the Royals in the last minute only to fall by 3. Really good teams take care of business on the road...especially against teams they are simply better than talent wise. How easy it would have been for Duke to just roll-over tonight at Maryland...especially after the flurry of scoring the Terps put on right before the half. What does Duke do...start the second half with intense pressure on the ball, create turnovers and let their defense kick-start their offense. The crowd is taken out of the game & Duke refuses to let any Terp shot go uncontested. Result...another Duke win on the road against an always tough opponent. Until Scranton remembers how to play perimiter defense, box out & crash the boards & play the game hard from tip to final buzzer...3 wins followed by 2 losses may be the norm. Over the course of 25 games not very impressive...just like their season thus far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2008, 06:54:03 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 27, 2008, 11:33:39 PMReally good teams take care of business on the road...especially against teams they are simply better than talent wise. How easy it would have been for Duke to just roll-over tonight at Maryland...especially after the flurry of scoring the Terps put on right before the half. What does Duke do...start the second half with intense pressure on the ball, create turnovers and let their defense kick-start their offense. The crowd is taken out of the game & Duke refuses to let any Terp shot go uncontested. Result...another Duke win on the road against an always tough opponent. Until Scranton remembers how to play perimiter defense, box out & crash the boards & play the game hard from tip to final buzzer...3 wins followed by 2 losses may be the norm. Over the course of 25 games not very impressive...just like their season thus far.

That comparison is an apples and oranges philosophy. Major differences in the level of play, in particular, the mental toughness. Unlike D-I, these kids don't have to be out there, they want to be out there, or do they?
You should just come out and say it: Something is wrong with this team and it doesn't start with the players. Speaking of players, I find it unusual how many talented kids left the team since Danzig took over. Steele, Clarke, Clabby, McGowan. Am I missing some others? And where is Ivan Bogovich, the kid who is said to be a "rebounding machine???"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 28, 2008, 12:15:29 PM
Crusaders win both on the road.  Catholic game was tight all the way into the second half and then SU took over and Catholic tried to bully SU, but it did not work. Crusaders were up over 20 with minutes to play and finished with a solid road win. 

At Goucher the game was tight early on and featured high pace action.  SU started to pull away towards the end of the first half.  Joel Patch had three dunks on what seemed like consecutive possessions.  One a fast break alley-oop from Robinson on two Gophers.  Second half was hard played, but SU made shots and defended well. 

Any thoughts on all conf. players through the first half?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
What do you mean bully?

Physical play?  Call them mean names?  ;D

Looks like SU has really asserted itself in the conference...though I doubt anybody is getting a NCAA bid from Landmark this year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2008, 04:57:14 PM
CC: Something is certainly wrong with the Royals highly inconsistent play...hard to say exactly what it is. Every team every year faces some type of adversity due to health & injury issues...some are just tougher & more resilient than others. I saw this team play without Randy Arnold against Catholic & they played so well I think they could have knocked off Rochester that day & then the next week they can't even control the tempo against Drew with everyone back. Coaches can only push so many buttons...at some point talented kids have to take control of their own destiny. Playing hard & with a passion is not something I've seen on a consistent basis for quite some time in the Long Center & especially on the road. What was once a very promising year at the outset has certainly taken a nose dive...time for corrective action may have already passed. I'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
What do you mean bully?

Physical play?  Call them mean names?  ;D

I believe lunch money was taken and a pantsing was involved ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 28, 2008, 06:26:02 PM
Matt,

That is one of the best freshman classes I have seen in a while.  I wouldnt be suprised if they have some special seasons ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2008, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 28, 2008, 04:57:14 PMI'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!

You know things are going bad when we're looking forward to Orioles baseball.  :(
I do yearn for the days of Paul Blair roaming CF again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 28, 2008, 04:57:14 PM
CC: Something is certainly wrong with the Royals highly inconsistent play...hard to say exactly what it is. Every team every year faces some type of adversity due to health & injury issues...some are just tougher & more resilient than others. I saw this team play without Randy Arnold against Catholic & they played so well I think they could have knocked off Rochester that day & then the next week they can't even control the tempo against Drew with everyone back. Coaches can only push so many buttons...at some point talented kids have to take control of their own destiny. Playing hard & with a passion is not something I've seen on a consistent basis for quite some time in the Long Center & especially on the road. What was once a very promising year at the outset has certainly taken a nose dive...time for corrective action may have already passed. I'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!


Great points. Royals have looked great in knocking off Walsh, Ramapo and Albright, only to get smoked by Moravian, Juniata, USMMA. Does this inconsistency stem from the coaches not preparing the kids or a lack of effort and passion? I really don't know the answer. This upcoming weekend should be interesting, if the Royals lose both games the playoffs might pass them by this year.

As far as wait till next year, can we clone Tom Bicknell?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 28, 2008, 07:31:20 PM
I do yearn for the days of Paul Blair roaming CF again.

I doubt he has much range at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 29, 2008, 10:28:37 AM
Kevin Cuffe was named player of the week scoring 28 and 14 points over the weekend.  Robinson added 16 and 25 points.  Both averaged 7 rebs as well. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2008, 10:34:27 PM
Pat: Should the O's & Seattle not pull the Bedard trade off & Baltimore does not get a healthy Adam Jones...they may consider resigning Paul Blair because even at 63 he'll still get a better jump on the ball than Jay "Which Way" Payton. Whatever happened to Oriole Magic & Purple Pride?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 31, 2008, 11:29:44 AM
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 01:09:40 PM
SUHoopster: Susquehanna certainly has my respect...they've won their conference games, both at home & on the road. Talking about Oriole baseball is just a temporary release for Scranton fans like me during what used to be a pretty exciting time of year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 01:09:40 PM
SUHoopster: Susquehanna certainly has my respect...they've won their conference games, both at home & on the road. Talking about Oriole baseball is just a temporary release for Scranton fans like me during what used to be a pretty exciting time of year.


Step away from the edge Saratoga! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: suhoopster on January 31, 2008, 11:29:44 AM
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D

Feel free to actually talk and join the conversation.

Other D-III message board -- now that's funny.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 31, 2008, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: suhoopster on January 31, 2008, 11:29:44 AM
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D

There is another D3 message board???  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 31, 2008, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!

Did you consider giving him a little nudge??? ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
CC: I think there are more Royal fans on NEPAFAN'S ledge than there are for the 2nd. game at the Long Center these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2008, 04:47:47 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!


Couple of his players might be keeping him company!


Way to bring me to the dark side!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
What a bizarre year.  Last weekend, USMMA beat Scranton and Moravian.

Tonight, at Kings Point, Catholic beat USMMA 70-41 (!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2008, 11:29:39 PM
   Yes, I'm also surprised at the Cards' blowout win on the road(especially the 1st game of the weekend) and to a lesser extent, the Royals' win spread over Juniata. Scranton did shoot better from the 3-pt line than the foul line which was a big factor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2008, 01:28:03 AM
Scranton totally dominated this game from start to finish. The final point spread was not an indicator as to really how one-sided the game was. The Royals played one of their typical we can beat "anyone" games this evening...who knows what team will show up tomorrow. Until the Royals can prove they can play as they did tonight over a sustained period of time & against good teams on the road...the jury is still out. However, when they are firing on all cylenders as they were this evening, they truly are a fun team to watch. Kudo's to Tom Bicknell for another double/double. Tomorrow the Royals pay tribute to the Scranton 1983 National Championship Team. All the former players are in town & will be honored tomorrow between the womens & mens contest. Some great pictures of games from that season where the Royals played before about 3,000 each & every home game...can't remember the last time the men packed the Long Center. I still remember the double OT victory over Widener in the MAC Championship which may be the greatest game ever played at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2008, 07:56:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 02, 2008, 01:28:03 AMI still remember the double OT victory over Widener in the MAC Championship which may be the greatest game ever played at the Long Center.

Wait, hold it. Two minor errors, 'toga. First, Scranton beat Widener in triple overtime and secondly, it was in the Mid-Atlantic Regional Final.

Still waiting for Colonel Letourneau to give us the Catholic final from today (although it won't be as quick as last night) and to see how he works in Scranton into his post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2008, 08:32:25 PM
Eh?

Looks like Catholic lost 66-64 to Drew.  As I said yesterday, go figure.

What's Scranton got to do with it? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2008, 08:43:04 PM
Good win for the Royals on a day when they were without their senior all conference point guard. Lots going on at the Long Center today, I wonder if Bess had his '83 team visit  the locker room for a pep talk?



....Hoping 'toga and Carl have taken two big steps back from the ledge.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2008, 11:07:49 PM
That's strange. I had two karma points taken away since my last post. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure who the culprit(s) were.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 03:09:46 PM
CC: You are certainly correct...the UofS/Widener game was Triple OT not "double" as I posted & it was the Regional Final. For being such a good editor...if you recently lost karma..then I'll bring you back somewhat & give you the bonus you deserve. The Royals played back to back games with fire in their eyes & some very good defense...nice to see Royals basketball of old being played for 40 minutes. Also great to see the entire 1983 National Championship Team honored between games...quite a few look like they can stll play. Now if the Royals can take these two wins & build on them for the last 5 games...perhaps snowballs do have a chance in hell. NEPAFAN, two big steps back is about right...now were back in the room at least. Still a pretty big line out there though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2008, 04:06:50 PM
No worries. According to the radio broadcast yesterday Scranton is getting a 7 footer from South Africa... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
NEPAFAN: A 7 footer from South Africa would be nice...but, I'd be just as happy with another 6'6" kid from Austraila. Speaking of the Land Down Under...Tom Bicknell has to be hands down First Team All-Landmark. He must have 14 double/doubles all ready & bangs all game long against multiple bigs from the opposition. His numbers should also get some very serious consideration for post season honors on the National scene.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
NEPAFAN, 'Toga, it has just come to my attention that another karma point has been removed. Obviously some people south of the Mason-Dixon line.......eh, I believe it's called childish??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 05:07:56 PM
CC: Not to worry...we've got you covered. As the sun rises in in east...so shall there be Karma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2008, 05:13:51 PM
Cool! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2008, 06:50:51 PM
It's been pointed out that people who complain about karma tend to lose it.

I think you've lost a lot more than one karma point over 24 hours (and gained some as well), so must be more than one person smiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2008, 08:01:30 PM
This weekend schedule makes for some sllloooooow weeks.....


I can start some All Conference talk , feel free to add..


From the Royals....


C Bicknell
G Ashworth
G Arnold ( even with nagging injury)





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2008, 09:59:51 PM
From the Gophers:
G - Darrin Boswell
F - Marcus Cotton
F - Cameron Brown (maybe)

Susquehanna -
G/F - Josh Robinson
F - Kevin Cuff

Just some thoughts from teams I have seen. I know I have seen others, but I know Goucher and those names from Susquehanna jumped out at me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 06, 2008, 12:04:32 PM
I'll agree on Robinson/Cuff, and add Joel Patch to the mix.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
I thought about Joel Patch as well... but notice a lot of off games stats wise. I certainly haven't seen them all, but I was curious if it is that consistent for all-conference recognition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2008, 09:39:00 PM

Quite a few really good guards this season. Randy Arnolds injury causing him to miss playing time will probably cost him a First Team selection. I see Tom Bicknell as a lock at center & Josh Robinson as the other unanimous choice at guard. Some other kids that have been impressive when I've seen them this year are guards Chris Lopez of Drew, Darrin Boswell of Goucher & Chris Earley of Moravian. Some of the bigs that have played tough are both Patch & Cuff of Susquehanna, Brian Cannon of Juniata & Quinn of Catholic. I think for the contributions he's made thus far, Zach Ashworth would have my vote for Rookie of the Year. I'm sure there are a few good kids at USMMA...just havn't seen them yet. That said, I certainly hope they don't have someone that goes for 30 Sunday vs. the Royals & nails a 3 or slams down a put-back at the buzzer to defeat the Royals to make sure we now have a USMMA name to remember.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2008, 02:23:08 PM
So it's official. We will have one team made up of eight players. Bicknell, Cannon and three players each from SU and Goucher who have a combined 16-22 record, even though the players from the latter two schools "jump out" at some.
Good thing nobody on here gets a vote. Geeeeeeeeesh.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2008, 04:22:30 PM
CC: Slow down a little...what I said was that I see Tom Bicknell & Josh Robinson as unanimous choices...the other names I mentioned were kids that I said I've seen & were impressive. I was not picking an overall squad. The only other pick(besides Bicknell & Robinson) I mentioned was Zach Ashworth for ROY. On another topic...how bout' the O's pulling the Bedard trade off? Personally, I think McPhail robbed Seattle blind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 04:27:32 PM
If you have an opinion, feel free to give it rather than just trashing the result ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
Cold Case's All Conference Team


G Randy Arnold
G/F Billy Bessior
F Tom Kraus
F Andy Holup
C Irv Johnson


Honorable Mention : Tom Bicknell
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2008, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 08, 2008, 02:23:08 PM
So it's official. We will have one team made up of eight players. Bicknell, Cannon and three players each from SU and Goucher who have a combined 16-22 record, even though the players from the latter two schools "jump out" at some.
Good thing nobody on here gets a vote. Geeeeeeeeesh.
Hey cold case... I believe some one asked what players could be considered for the teams. There were responses but no one said their picks were for sure, except for saratoga's unanimous thoughts on Robinson and Bicknell. Heck, even one of mine was a "maybe".

Glad you actually read things carefully before you post! Those are "suggestions" and obviously not all of use have seen everyone play!

-k!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2008, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 04:27:32 PM
If you have an opinion, feel free to give it rather than just trashing the result ...

I'm not trashing the result. In my opinion the Orioles pulled off a major Brinks job. I hope.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2008, 09:51:14 PM
Yet another head scratcher for the Royals against USMMA. Royals lead by about 5 with under ten minutes left, Arnold gets T'd up and the rest is history.

Up and down , and down once again, they still are fighting for the playoffs...



Would love to get some opinions on how the players/coaches are liking the back to back weekend schedule....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2008, 11:28:18 PM
Nothing really complicated...the Royals simply left another one slip away. Senior day, Tom Bicknell's family in from Austraila, a must win game at HOME trying to secure the faint chance of a home playoff game & the same kids that hurt them at Kings Point killed them again today. All season long the lack of perimeter defense has haunted the Royals...today was just another chapter. The real kicker is that the night before Moravian clocked this team by 30 something...and held them WITHOUT a 3 pointer in the first half. As has happened generally all season against decent, good, pretty good & very good teams...the Royals were lit up like a Christmas tree. Instead of fighting for an outside chance of hosting a playoff game...the Royals are now simply hoping to be the 4th. team in. And with the final 3 games on the road, their margin for error is right around zero. I certainly hope the Royals are recruiting bigs, bigs & more bigs for next year as
I see absolutly no post presence after Tom graduates this year. No inside game...good luck!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2008, 08:45:23 PM
Agree on the post presence. Here is hoping they bring in a banger and a bruiser...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2008, 10:29:27 AM
What does bringing in a low post presence, a banger, a brusier, have to do with the perimeter defense being so pathetic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2008, 12:37:10 PM
CC: I'm not sure if you are posing that question to me or not...but, I'll answer it anyway. They are two very different issues...the lack of perimeter defense has everything to do with this current edition of the Royals while the need for a "post" presence is predicated on the imminent graduation of Tom Bicknell. Since the Royals rotation does not include another true post player, once Tom leaves this year...good luck finding the rebounds & points in the paint should another..."bruser/banger" that can actually have an inpact not be found. My hunch is that's what NEPAFAN was inferring. The Royals interrior defense is solid, it's the slow switches, the poor rotation & soft man to man that has killed the Royals all year. Look, when you are making the same mistakes in your LAST conference HOME game (USMMA) as you did in your FIRST conference HOME game (Moravian) then that about sums up where any team will be...middle of the pack or lower. The really good teams keep improving & develop at least a basic consistency...the Royals have certainly shown flashes & the potential is there...it just seems the effort goes south just when you think they've figured it out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
In a nutshell, toga,
The lack of Canio is a reason for the porous defense; NEPAFAN has no clue; they may bring in a big kid who is experienced and talented; don't forget Luke Hawk, who is a beast on the glass and Bogovitch, who is out for the season. This kid is tough.
Title: Scranton Royals
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2008, 06:09:09 PM
Even though, I am "clueless". Here are my thoughts:

There is no disputing that the Royal defense is off this year. The stats don't lie. Is this due to Canio? Did he leave the Royal coaching staff with nothing, can't Danzig teach the kids just the same? Does his defensive philosphy only work when it comes from his mouth? Or is there something else going on here?


Next year will be intersting, you've got a ton of talent in Fitzpatrick, Ashworth, and Luke Hawk. The big question will be what the frontcourt looks like.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2008, 11:32:51 PM
CC: You mention Luke Hawk & Ivan Bogovitch...from what I've heard, pretty good kids with projected talent that will certainly challenge for playing time next season. However, neither of these kids play or have played with their back to the basket. Again, no projected post presence from anyone on the current roster. This current crop of returning Royals simply doesn't take their defense seriously enough to push the opposing offense around, box out bigger kids or simply play defense with a purpose & a passion. Until it finally clicks that defense wins games, these Royals will struggle. It's really too bad because with their offensive potential...a consistantly good defense (not a great one ) would have easily picked up at least 4-5 additional wins this season. Call me clueless as well...but, the men in purple need someone in the paint that can play so next years opposition can't just force the Royals further & further from the basket & make them live & die from jump shots. Tom Bicknell has given the Royals the opportunity to play inside/out with kids like FitzPatrick, Ashworth, Arnold & Kirk...who fills that void next year on this roster?











it's really too bad
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2008, 11:39:12 PM
Interesting game at DuFour tonight.  Scranton won 65-50, but it was a tale of two halves.  Scranton led 40-21 at halftime behind some flat out unbelieveable shooting--they made TEN 3 pointers in the first half, including 7 in a row.  A few of them were open looks, but some of them were just flat out great shooting.  There really wasn't much Catholic could do.

So it look like it would be a blowout, but the second half played out much differently.  Catholic ended up outscoring Scranton 29-25, and played much much better defense, forcing 10 turnovers.  Frankly, if they hadn't been so God Awful at the free throw line (6-14), this might have been a real game.   It didn't help that the Cardinals were 2-16 (!)om the three point line, either.   

Obviously, a 15 point loss is not a good thing...but lets face it, Scranton's in a much different place in terms of upperclassmen.   At least Catholic took the punch, survived the barrage and played 40 minutes of basketball and made the Royals work for it.   They did a very effective job on the full court trap and Scranton got frustrated and never got much of anything going inside.  The bus ride home wasn't as pleasant as it could have been.

Weren't too many offensive bright spots for the Cardinals, other than Banzhof...who I think is hands down the Landmark Rookie of the Year (I'll spell out my case later, but consider this: of the top 10 leading scorers in the league, he's the only one who will even be playing next year, the rest are seniors). 

As for Scranton--frankly, I don't get why they are so 3 point happy.  Now I haven't seem them this year, so those that follow them can feel free to correct me, but...Sure, they'll have halves like today's when they make everything and therefore will blow people out, but what happens when they're cold.  When they're on like tonight, you wonder how they can lose to anybody, but once Catholic really took away the three and Scranton tried to go inside, I understood why they have some bad losses.  Seems to me they have the personnel to dominate more inside, but even tonight they got outrebounded.  Catholic freshman C Chris McGrew handled the Scranton bigs pretty well off the bench, though he did pick up 4 fouls (2 of them weren't related to interior defense though).

Be nice for Catholic to end the season on a high note, but it will be tough with Moravian coming in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 01:15:23 AM
Matt: The reality is Scranton simply tries to take advantage of where the opportunities present themselves. Of course there are going to be nights where they can't buy a basket & on those days they will flat out look bad...but, if they at least attempt to play defense...they may still pull one out. On the other hand, if they collectivly are missing, fail to include the post in the offense & forget to play defense...they'll get some of the ugliest losses ever devised...& trust me, they have far too many of them already. The unfortunate thing for the Royals is at this late point in the season I'm not even sure they know who they are...are they the team that can blast an otherwise very good team on the road by 20 or do they go through the motions & lose to an otherwise weak team by 15? Bottom line...they are much better than they've played...yet, they are far too unpredictable to have any sort of faith in what they'll do from one game to the next. All things considered...a 15 point win on the road...even against a bunch of freshmen...thank you very much...next! By the way...is it true that even with a 20+ point lead...Scranton somehow was at a 9-2 disadvantage in fouls by the 14 minute mark in the 2nd. half? Life on the road can be, shall we say, interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
Matt,
   Generally agree with your assessment of game tonight, although I would call the Cards' perimeter defense evan softer in the 1st half than you did.
   AS for Scranton's inside game, they've had just enough success from the outside that they don't look for Bicknell inside. He works hard enough to get open, but they don't give him enough touches. They're lucky he doesn't complain about it  Your supposed to get it inside first for outside jumpers, anyhow.
   2nd half CU pressured ball well, had some steals, offensive rebounds, loose balls but shooting betrayed them.   Came over at game end to meet you, but scoreboard operator said you had left by then.
  Royals may need to win out to make playoffs since they lose tie-breaker with MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:29:28 AM
Yeah, but frankly it was because of their own stubborness.  They kept getting called for fouls on inbound plays.  The refs were telling them not to hold jerseys and release the guy they were defending when the ball was inbounded, and time after time, they weren't doing it (or at least the zebras didn't think they were).  Finally, the refs just shrugged as if to say "we warned you" and just started blowing the whistle.  After a couple of those, they got the message and went hands up.  Simple.  I'm sure they felt like they were being targeted, but you have to adjust to what the officials are going to call, and they obviously were calling that.  

As frequently happens, the fouls evened out during the stretch--I think it went from 9-2 to 9-6 pretty quickly.  At the end of the day, Scranton was +2 in free throws, and fouls were dead even at 19.  Not much to complain about for a road game, particularly when you consider that Scranton spent the first half basically shooting up bombs (you aren't going to get to the line doing that, nor do you need to when you are hitting them).

Besides, that's nothing--at home against Juanita a few weeks ago, with 3:00 left in the 2nd half, Juanita had been called for a grand total of TWO fouls.  That's right, 2 fouls in 17:00.  On the road.  Catholic was down something like 8 or 9-2.  I was furious--Catholic's not a jump shooting team, they were going inside consistently.   And that was a close game that ended up being decided in OT.

Life at HOME can be interesting too.

Well, good luck to the Royals down the stretch.  Hope we give you some better games next year--I think we've got the talent to do that, just need some more seasoning.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:34:20 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 17, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
Matt,
   Generally agree with your assessment of game tonight, although I would call the Cards' perimeter defense evan softer in the 1st half than you did.
   

Ahhh...yeah...no argument here.  Ugh.  Though in fairness, the way Arnold was shooting, I don't know if it would have mattered.

Catholic is lacking in having a guy like that this year.  Its strange...Nick Oliverio shot 38% from 3 last year and was deftinitely going to be the clutch guy from downtown.  This year he's at 29%.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:36:03 AM
Ah Matt... you and your thoughts on officiating. Priceless?!

Just curious, my friend, since when does "going inside" automatically mean fouls will be called. If a team isn't fouling, they aren't fouling!

Tonight at the SRC, I was wishing the refs would put the whistles away. There were a LOT of calls in the Moravian-Goucher game. Both halves went to double-bounce free-throw shooting, first time I have seen that I think all season! Now, that being said, they could have made plenty more calls. It was a very aggressive game with Goucher playing tough, full-court basketball to get back in the game in the first half and nearly pull off the upset in the 2nd. So... I can't complain about the calls. Three guys for both teams fouled out of the game and there could have been more.

NOW, that all being said, there were some HORRIBLE calls, both ways! It just didn't help that the head ref, who is a new guy who I actually like and I think calls a great game, was pair with an average fellow and an older one who honestly needs to retire. I know all three, just can't remember their names.

I look forward to seeing Scranton on Sunday... and then Matt, another classic on Saturday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:48:53 AM
Yeah but they WERE fouling in that game.  Quinn was getting killed inside.  And look--you and I both know that its physically impossible to play 17 minutes of defense while committing 2 fouls, especially if your opponent is constantly trying to score inside. 

In tonight's game, the officiating was unremarkable.  Which probably means good.  If I was a Scranton fan, during that particular stretch I would have probably been irritated, but as I said, at the end of the day things ended up pretty much even.

Btw...how does "I cant complain about the calls" equate with "there were some HORRIBLE calls," in the next sentence, my friend??? (I know, didn't change the outcome...just had to give it back a little bit).

Unrelated note:  I left out the best part of the Catholic game.  Former American Idol finalist (and CUA student) Antonella Barba sang the National Anthem.  She did a really nice job.  Now of course Pat Coleman's National Anthems are certainly the most notable in CUA history, but I must say, Antonella is better looking.

(I was surprised she even came back to school.  Must have wanted to visit those monuments.)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 11:41:38 AM
Matt... it isn't impossible to go that long without a foul being called. It is in your mind, because you and most Catholic fans think a foul should be called on every possession and every time a player is breathed on when the Cardinals are on offense. Though, that isn't the case when they are on defense.  ;D

As for my comment... I'm not complaining about the officiating, I am simply stating there were some horrible calls. Anyone there would admit that, but not complaining about it. There was one call where one of Goucher's guard last night hooked his defender so badly with his free-arm that he actually placed his hand on the defenders "buttocks" keeping him from following the guard. He did it three or so times and everyone in gym knew he had done it. Twice, no calls. Third time, defender was called for blocking. Horrible call - fact. However, not complaining about it. Just pointing it out. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game :).

Now, with all that being stated, I have actually been impressed with the officiating in the Mid-Atlantic Region this year. There are still some refs out there that either need to go or need to reevaluate how they call a game. However, there are several new refs who are younger and seem to have a better idea of how the game is played and should be called. They also seem less likely to be intimidated by the older refs and don't tend to change their styles.

As for the games, I was only some-what impressed with Moravian. They certainly have a talented team, but they really struggled with Goucher's pressure defense, especially when it was at its full-court best. Moravian, like many teams that haven't faced Goucher ever, or in a long time, aren't used to the type of defense the Gophers play, or some other teams in the CAC. That will take some getting used to - especially how to prepare for it.

Moravian hit some huge three's at the beginning of the first half to get out to a big lead. But Goucher turned up the pressure and clawed back into the game. It was a tight game at the half and Moravian decided to come out shooting three's in the second half, including trying to hit the shots just after breaking the press with essentially a 3-on-2 situation. It worked early on and then fell apart. Three's allowed them to keep the lead or get the lead back several times, but they weren't back-breakers.

Also, Moravian was lousy on the boards. At the half, Goucher was beating thing 22-16. I haven't seen Goucher beat teams on the boards all season, since the Gophers are usually sizeably smaller. But the Greyhounds just didn't do a good job on the boards and seemed to be out hussled on more than a few occasions.

Nothing against the Greyhounds, but if they make the NCAA tournament, depending on who they face up against, it may be an early exit. I think Susquehanna is a better team, but they have a tougher resume to prove to the NCAA they deserve a Pool B bid.

Heading to the SRC in a few hours to catch some of the women's game and then the men's against Scranton. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 17, 2008, 11:41:38 AM
Matt... it isn't impossible to go that long without a foul being called. It is in your mind, because you and most Catholic fans think a foul should be called on every possession and every time a player is breathed on when the Cardinals are on offense. Though, that isn't the case when they are on defense.  ;D

Perhaps it's time to let 1999 go and stop painting people with a broad brush.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 12:40:55 PM
Pat... not refering to 1999. I listen to most CUA fans at games I attend that they play at. Heck, at the SRC they are yelling directly behind me! Also... I did add a  ;D!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
"you and most Catholic fans" is a blatantly biased comment, Dave. You should know better than to paint any fan base with one overarching statement.

Especially since, at the games I've been at this year (95% of which did not involve Catholic), other fan bases behave the exact same way. So why single out one group?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
Matt,
  Like I said before, my friend did the game last night, so  i'll take your description(unremarkable) as praise for the job. I was at the Scranton end line in the 2nd half and there wasn't anything questionable down there. I didn't have a good view of the CU end, but he told the Scranton staff that they were holding on the in bounds plays and after 2 calls, they stopped. Some of the hard-core are irritated with a 9-2 deficit in fouls on the road, but in this case, it looked legit to me.                                                                 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:07:39 PM
Pat, don't disagree with the fact that lots of fans in many places are similar. Heck, Moravians fans last night were irate at a game I thought was fairly officiated, though not perfect. Heck, I ever heard them commenting/heckling my comment "team is over the limit" when both teams had more than 10 fouls in the half!

One of my biggest pet-peeves is fans who complain during games about officiating when it isn't warranted. It makes it seems like fans have no idea the actual rules of a game. Also, it doesn't represent the school very well.

I have been to several games this season where I left shaking my head about another teams fans (both at the SRC and other locations). It truely is embarrassing sometimes.

As for my comment... it was directed at a CUA fan and about a CUA fan. I am not off-based with my thought since I usually hear everything CUA fans say at a game because either I sit immediately in front of them at the SRC or next to them at the DuFour Center. Matt and I have had disagreements during games when sitting next to each other. Also, the ";D" was to indicate I was just having a little bit of fun with Matt and don't take me completely seriously. I still stand by my point that I was having some fun with a comment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:15:02 PM
By the way, to be "unbias"... there is one particular fan for Goucher that is notorious for thinking every call on offense should be called and nothing on defense for the Gophers should be called. Nothing I can do about that fan, unfortunetly. I have tried to indicate at times my thoughts on the officiating so that fan understands that I think the comments and yelling are off-based, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:24:01 PM
Aren't all fans the same in regards to thinking their team(s) are getting a "home job" by the officials, albeit both road teams (Moravian and Scranton) won last night?
Dave, I was shocked to hear you say that the Moravian fans were "irate." In all honesty, when in God's name did Moravian ever have fans on a road trip before?
Colonel Matt, I read your post and many of us are starting to wonder if you're going to toss inuendos about officiating everytime Catholic loses? You sound like another Colonel from the Freeom board whenever his school drops a contest.
On a personal note, I commend kids at high-tech, academic D-III conference like the Landmark and others for the simple reason that they don't have to be out there, they want to be. This is not D-I and I don't really want to say anymore about the upper division(s).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
Pat, is the Wes Parker at CUA any relation to the Wes Parker that played for the Dodgers in the 1960's and early '70's???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:32:16 PM
cold case - yes... there were Moravian fans at the game, though the number certainly shrunk when the women's team left around halftime. There were quite a few sitting behind me and I think quite a number on the other side of the gym as well.

Though, Merchant Marine probably has the best turnout so far this season at the SRC. Susquehanna has a very large contingent and I would expect the same from CUA next weekend. Wonder how many may come from Scranton today (since it's right now I-81 to I-83 to I-695... ok, maybe not "right down", though the trip south is primarily right hand turns!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:55:52 PM
When I went to see the O's for a set of games, I remember getting off Exit 29A I believe. There was a Holiday Inn at the corner by the light on Joppa Road, which is where we stayed. Across the street was the Fabulous Bel Loc Diner (good food), and Pollock Johnny's was on Joppa. More good eats. I also remember the Colts practicing down the road a piece at, I think it was Goucher College. I remember the campus set off into the woods, nice and quiet. Perhaps it wasn't Goucher, but I'm pretty sure it was.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 02:04:06 PM
cold case - that is old school!

The Bel Loc Diner remains and the Holiday Inn I think you are referencing is a bit around the corner on Crownville Bridge Road, but I suggest you NOT stay there if you come down - long story. There are plenty of other options.

As for where the Colts practiced, I believe you are right. I know the Colts trained at Goucher College once upon a time! Though, the campus and the facilities have changed since you were there :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
Pat, is the Wes Parker at CUA any relation to the Wes Parker that played for the Dodgers in the 1960's and early '70's???

If so, his bio doesn't mention it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:24:01 PM

Colonel Matt, I read your post and many of us are starting to wonder if you're going to toss inuendos about officiating everytime Catholic loses? You sound like another Colonel from the Freeom board whenever his school drops a contest.


I'm confused.  What did I say about yesterday's contest that you consider innuendo?  If anything, I was defending the officiating.  I said it was "unremarkable," which ronk correctly interpreted as a good thing, because it is.  I'll say it again, more clearly if it helps: the officiating in yesterday's game was fair and played absolutely no role in the outcome.  There were a handful of calls that partisans from either side could probably complain about, but that is the case in every game I've ever seen. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2008, 04:59:53 PM
Half Time

Scranton  43
Goucher   35


Catholic   39
Moravian  36
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 06:18:26 PM
Catholic beat Moravian 85-79.

Cardinals were led by SHOULD-BE-Rookie of the Year Jason Banzhaf's 20 points.   They shot 55% for the game and were 7-12 from 3.  Nick Olivero regained his shot, with 18 points (3-5 from 3).  Catholic was 18-26 from the free throw line, too.

What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
Just got back from the Scranton/Goucher game...first, the officiating in both games was pretty good. There were no calls that made anyone jump up & take exception. In the womens game it was pretty much over at the half & the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship. The mens game was a game of runs by both teams & did get a little physical at times but, never did it even remotely appear the game was getting out of control. With a minute & a half to go it was anyones game...then Randy Arnold hit a big shot, the Royals finally put together a great defensive stop & Tom Bicknell got a huge rebound on the miss & then made his foul shots. A real nice following of Lady Royal & Royal fans to Washington & Baltimore/Towson this weekend. Lastly, I would like to add that many of us that made the trip down were very impressed with the facilities at Goucher...a nice atmosphere for a game...certainly far better than some of the dungeons we've had to play in through the years in the MAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2008, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
Just got back from the Scranton/Goucher game...first, the officiating in both games was pretty good. There were no calls that made anyone jump up & take exception. In the womens game it was pretty much over at the half & the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship. The mens game was a game of runs by both teams & did get a little physical at times but, never did it even remotely appear the game was getting out of control. With a minute & a half to go it was anyones game...then Randy Arnold hit a big shot, the Royals finally put together a great defensive stop & Tom Bicknell got a huge rebound on the miss & then made his foul shots. A real nice following of Lady Royal & Royal fans to Washington & Baltimore/Towson this weekend. Lastly, I would like to add that many of us that made the trip down were very impressed with the facilities at Goucher...a nice atmosphere for a game...certainly far better than some of the dungeons we've had to play in through the years in the MAC.


Bicknell had a monster game, perhaps his best as a Royal. Big play down the strech , with two minutes or so left: Brendan Fuller after throwing the ball in the hands of a Goucher player, hustles back down the court and steals the ball. Zach Ashworth then drains a big three to put the Royals up by 4. It appears to be very tough to win on the Road thus far in the Landmark. You really have to watch out for those landmines!

Moravian, Juniata, and Susquehanna ( lost to DREW!) tied for first. Scranton now in the last playoff spot...plenty of time to sort out tie-breakers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
NEPAFAN: Got to meet Tom's family at the Goucher game today as they stayed in all week since last Sat's. Senior Day. Great people & as you stated...got to see him play another huge game. Well, three teams with 4 losses & the Royals with 5...they're in...just a matter of seeing how things shake out after next Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 17, 2008, 08:57:17 PM
Hey, Saratoga - does the great facility at Goucher help em play any better?  Sooo sorry for the "dungeons" you all had to tolerate through your years in the MAC - good grief!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:13:52 PM
kate - those facilities do make the Gophers play better!  ;D :P

Scranton fans - nice to see all of you at the SRC! I was happy to actually meet a few of you one on one (those who came up to me as I was running around :)) and those who quickly said hello as you were leaving. I certainly looked forward to meeting new fans and seeing a new atmosphere in this conference, and many teams did not disappoint!

Also, thanks for the kinds words from a few of you. I do appreciate it!

As for the game... let me get back to you... I am working to get Hoopsville's (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville") archives up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 06:18:26 PM
What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Matt... any chance we can talk you into coming to the SRC on Saturday, then?!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
   Good weekend going 4-0 on the road. Royals were almost as hot shooting in opening minutes against Goucher as they were last nite. Between good 3-pt shooting and Tom Bicknell getting baskets down low both from good passes and his own offensive board work, they jumped ahead 19-9 and held it until tied somewhere around 51.
Goucher was aggressive and athletic, as advertised, although with no one who could contend with Tom Bicknell. They had a decent press but Scranton was effective in breaking it They came back mostly thru effective inside work on offense. They got as close as 1 down with the ball and 1:35 left but a tough driving layup by Ryan,  a big 3-pter by Zach and sets of fouf shots from Randy, Zach, and Tom, and good defense on Goucher's last 3 possessions provided the victory.
   Many good screens set by Royals throughout the play including 2 for Tom on sideline inbound plays. A refreshing change.
  Met Mr. Bicknell, a friendly gracious man, just like his son. We're lucky Tom came our way, both as player and student.
  Met Prof Harry Dammer, analysis guy on Royals internet radio. I, as an internet listener, count on Harry to let me know when the Royals aren't playing as well as they can.
  Finally, met d-mac, top-notch PA man at Goucher, and host of the Hoopsville show on this site.
  Yes, a good weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:30:28 PM
ronk - pleasure meeting you... sorry I couldn't chat longer, job gets in the way sometimes.

Impressed with your team... though I now want to know more about why the team doesn't have a better record!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 10:58:33 PM
  In general, I would say mainly a lack of effort in the Moravian game, Saratoga can probably tell about the other 2 home losses, but nobody knows about the 5 losses on the road. Most games that Arnold missed, we won anyhow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
  Saratoga,
    didn't know u were going to be there today or else I would have looked u up also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 06:18:26 PM
What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Matt... any chance we can talk you into coming to the SRC on Saturday, then?!  ;D

Well, lucky for you, you might get your wish.   We're planning on making the trip--all three of us.  So be prepared for a budding marathon man running up and down the sidelines.  He likes the action on the court, but not the yelling--so when he's with me at games, its a new and improved daddy who sits there quietly, even with the officials blow a call.  (It kills me.)  Fortunately, mommy takes him for walks, so daddy can get some things off his chest.  (I'm mostly kidding, with the exception of really two calls all year (the intentional foul called on Stolz against Goucher, and the non-call when he was mauled shooting a made three against Juanitia), I really haven't been all that riled up about anything all year anyway--and both of those calls were made by the same official). 

I'm sorry I missed the Scranton people, too.  Would have liked to meet. 

I will say that top to bottom, I've been impressed with the conference, and the fan bases that have turned out for road games.  I didn't get to any road games this year--just can't do certain things with a one year old--but I hope to in the future.   Catholic has a good nucleus of young players now, and if most of them stay with it for a couple of years, I think we'll really have something special which could make for some nice road trips.

I think play has been more consistent.  Landmark teams are more disciplined than some in the CAC.  There were some nights when you could just tell that a certain team flat out didn't care and the 5 guys out there were not even trying to play together.  You aren't going to get that in this league--sure, there will be upsets and not everybody is going to play well every night, but I think the "quality" from top to bottom is better.  The teams are well coached with good kids.  I don't think we'll have any Jerome Habel's popping up for 12 games and then getting busted dealing drugs.  (Btw...that kid blew another chance at SDSU this year...shocking).



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 11:52:43 PM
Ronk & Dave: Would have loved to meet you both as well...just had to head back into Baltimore's harbor right after the game to meet up with my wife & daughter who decided they needed to do a bit more shopping. Thanks to the Great State of New York...off tomorrow so we stayed an extra night. Even if the Royals didn't win...we had a great time & obviously both Goucher & Catholic have a great nucleus for next season. Dave, you too are perplexed by the Royals record when you get to see them play some decent ball? It starts & ends with their defensive effort...when they come to play they can beat anyone anywhere...when they get lazy...they lose horribly...even at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
'toga, why don't you just come clean and admit you stood overnight so you can beat the rush at the ticket window at Camden Yards. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2008, 03:17:40 PM
Here is why Jason Banzhaf, hands down, should be the Landmark Conference Rookie of the Year:

He's averaging 11.8 points per game, 10th in the league.  He is the ONLY non-senior in the top 10.

He's averaging 6.7 rebounds per game, 7th in the league.  Highest ranked freshman.

He's shooting 54%, 3rd in the league.  He is the ONLY non-upperclassman in the top 15.  In fact, the top 15 is comprised of 13 seniors, 1 junior and Jason.

He is 9th in the league in FT percentage (.750).  Also the highest ranking freshman.

I think Jason's only real competition is Zach Ashworth, who is certainly having a nice year, too.  Its obviously hard to compare a guard to a forward, but Jason's better in PPG (11.8-10.5), and shoots for a much higher percentage (54% to 42%).

Despite being a forward, Jason is still an excellent 3 point shooter--40% this year.  Again, better than Ashworth.

And I think you have to strongly consider Jason's rebounding efforts against the big boys in this league.  For a freshman, he has more than held his own against bigger, older and stronger bodies all year long.

And frankly, he hasn't had all that much help around him, so the pressure has been on him to perform.  Ashworth has actually played slightly more minutes, so they've both had equal opportunity to put up numbers. 

I'd be extremely disappointed if Jason didn't win Rookie of the Year.  He deserves it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2008, 03:25:13 PM
Can anyone tell me why Josh Robinson missed the past two games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2008, 05:23:38 PM
Word I have heard is he is out with a season ending injury, but I don't know the details.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2008, 11:38:33 PM
CC: I have to admit...I did make the pilgrimage to OPACY this afternoon. Matt: I certainly don't think Jason has the ROY award hands down by any means. He's certainly had a really nice season for a team that has not won too many games. On the other hand, Zach Ashworth has stepped in as a freshman and made huge contributions to the Royals this year both when Randy Arnold was hurt & since his return. Just this weekend he averaged 15 ppg. vs. Catholic & Goucher...handled the ball well against the Goucher press & has nailed huge free throws in games that have a bit more significance since the Royals are fighting for a playoff spot. Against Scranton on Sat. Jason scored 10 & Zach had 16 including three 3's. against Catholic. All things considered...a co-ROY would not be a bad thing. Both these kids have very bright futures ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2008, 12:08:29 AM
    Only scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 08:49:45 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2008, 12:08:29 AMOnly scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.

That sounds eerily familiar regarding how I explained it to NEPAFAN. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2008, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2008, 12:08:29 AM
    Only scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.

What can I say? I am sllllloooow.


Okay, since I don't want to see the Royals go play Moravian ( we they are 10-0 at home). In what scenario would Scranton play at SU or Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2008, 10:17:05 PM
Dave: Since you've recently seen both the Greyhounds & Royals play at Goucher...just wondering what your take is as both teams get set to square off Sat. in a game that has some implications regarding seeding. It's been quite awhile since I've seen Moravian...but, in that game, they torched the Royals seemingly at will from all over the court. Scranton has certainly put together some nice games since then...but, they are also a team that still lacks a killer instinct & that's not a good thing this late in the season. Thoughts from your vantage point?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2008, 12:06:21 AM
NEPA,
  royals and juniata win - juniata is 1, royals 4 because of mma(2 losses)
  moravian and sus win - sus is 1 cuz 2 wins vs jun, royals 4

  moravian and jun win - mor is 1 cuz jun loss to goucher, jun 2, sus 3 royals 4 so

royals @ jun under 1st scenario
            @ sus under 2nd
            @ mor under 3rd

if i got it right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2008, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship.

Saratoga,
   I noticed the same thing - refreshing break from constant in your face of recent years; they may have been discussing the music played during the breaks; I was pumped hearing Jessica(Allman Bros) a few times, myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on February 20, 2008, 03:36:24 PM
Any predictions of what will happen in playoffs? I know we do not have the matchups set yet, but does anyone have any predictions? Who are the two best teams right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2008, 07:05:17 PM
Thanks for explaining the various scenarios, Ronk. Moravian is undefeated at home and that scares me a bit. Regardless of the final weekend's outcome, the Royals are going to need to be road warriors in the playoffs. That being said, I think that all four playoffs teams could beat one another on any give night. I think it is too early to predict, but it should be a very interesting playoff week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2008, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 19, 2008, 10:17:05 PM
Dave: Since you've recently seen both the Greyhounds & Royals play at Goucher...just wondering what your take is as both teams get set to square off Sat. in a game that has some implications regarding seeding. It's been quite awhile since I've seen Moravian...but, in that game, they torched the Royals seemingly at will from all over the court. Scranton has certainly put together some nice games since then...but, they are also a team that still lacks a killer instinct & that's not a good thing this late in the season. Thoughts from your vantage point?
From what I saw this past weekend, I would be incline to be leaning towards the Royals. I honestly wasn't that impressed with Moravian. They had a very large lead against the Gophers and were easily shaken with pressure defense... nearly costing the game.

Scranton seemed to be a much more disciplined team. They faced the same tough defense and while they falted at times, they kept themselves together and eventually beat the Gophers.

Now with that comparison out of the way, I think Scranton has more threats. I said earlier I didn't understand the Royals record after seeing them play (I also didn't understand Susquehanna's season). They shoot well from all points on the floor and have plenty of weapons. They also have some size inside, which helped them beat the Gophers - while Goucher, a smaller team, dominated on the boards for much of the game against Moravian.

Also the fact Scranton had little trouble with CUA the same weekend, while Moravian struggled in a loss to the Cardinals also leads me to think that Scranton is the better team.

Yes, the game is on the road, but I think the Royals are playing better basketball at this time, and while Moravian will probably eliminate the Landmark from getting a Pool B bid with a loss (so, why route against them), Scanton seems to be the better team this time around.

Does that help? That is off the top of my head without going back to check stats and stuff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2008, 10:57:07 PM
I didn't actually see Moravian, but I have a pretty good idea as to what happened at the CUA-Moravian game and I did see Scranton...

I think Dave is exactly right.  Catholic applied a lot of pressure to Moravian too and it really threw them.  Scranton played one half of a great game against Catholic, at least, and has enough weapons were everything probably doesn't have to be working in order for them to win.

So I'd say advantage Scranton, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fbfan814 on February 21, 2008, 10:53:03 AM
I think it is going to come down to Juniata and Moravian.  Moravian has been pretty steady all season and they are always a threat.  And you can never count Juniata out.  Especially if they get to play at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2008, 06:37:21 PM
Programming note...

D3hoops.com will broadcast Saturday's Scranton/Moravian doubleheader live from Johnston Hall in Bethlehem...

5:30 pm - Women: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds
7:30 pm - Men: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds


The broadcast will be available at www.d3hoops.com/audio starting with pregame coverage 10 minutes before tipoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2008, 11:37:05 PM
I will make a point to listen in! If I didn't have to work or announce the Catholic/Goucher game, I might have thought about traveling up for that game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 12:18:33 AM
Dave: Thanks for the analysis...here's to hoping your call is on the mark. I noticed the lead story on Pool B deals up front with the fact Aurora College's mens coach is certainly praying the NCAA Selection Committee understands that his team has gone through some injuries & that is a primary reason his team has lost a few extra games. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to add any number of schools to that list where injuries to key players have had a negitive impact. The main difference is most schools do not have to hold their collective breath & hope for a Pool B bid...as most belong to conferences with AQ's. In all fairness, I certainly believe the very same story could have just as easily been written about Scranton this season. They were doing pretty much as expected until 4 year point guard Randy Arnold went down in the first game of their Holiday Tournament. They then proceeded to lose 3 in a row...two of which were conference games while the other Royals were trying to adjust to a number of players trying to run the show & a whole new approach to various sets. Slowly but surely they got there & Randy has recently come back full time...now the Royals need to win their next three & hope the committee understands the various injuries they have had to deal with in addition to his...and cut the Royals some slack. Never underestimate the setback a team goes through when they lose a veteran point. However, should Scranton lose their last conference game @ Moravian & then not win the Landmark Tournament...well, there is always Lady Royal basketball this time of year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 12:29:28 AM
Saratoga:

I don't think James Lancaster said anything of the sort and I didn't write anything of the sort. You're really stretching what's written.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 01:39:59 AM
Pat: No, the Aurora coach did not say he is ''praying" the selection committee takes his teams injuries into account...but, he certainly got that message out. I mean there is certainly some print devoted to "already down a starter before the season even opened" and, "the Spartans lost starting point guard Dusty Magee with 13 minutes remaining..." and, "Aurora later lost its second string and third string point guards playing forward Lance Robinson at the point for a December conference game...". The only "point' I was making was had you decided to interview Scranton coach Carl Danzig...I'm quite sure he, in this world of politicing when possible, would have alluded to the loss of his point guard as a turning point & learning point for his team. The bottom line is exactly what Coach Lancaster said...you keep playing the games on the schedule & let the chips fall where they may. When you further describe how Aurora was winning a certain game until an injury..."up 33-30 at the time, Aurora was outscored 33-21 the rest of the way & lost 63-54"...I think you can see how it could be interpreted that teams in Pool B really need the committee to look at the big picture which includes losses & their possible explanation as well as looking at strength of schedule, which Coach Lancaster also mentioned. If I've taken a liberal view of your article, perhaps it was due to watching the debate this evening or last evenings eclipse...or maybe, just maybe...there was some pretty good discussion of the "I" word. By the way, my comments were certainly not meant to be negitive & if I've stretched what your intent was, that was not my intent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 01:48:22 AM
Yep. Everything that's not in quotes is what I wrote. It's not what Lancaster said and I certainly don't know what he prays about.

For example, I don't think he needs to pray that they cut Aurora slack for a couple of losses. Don't think they'll need it. And from talking to him, I don't think he thinks he needs prayer if his team wins out.

I objected to your post because it sounded like you were suggesting Lancaster was making excuses. That just isn't the case, though, and it takes a little bit of wishful thinking to interpret it that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 02:28:48 AM
In no way whatsoever was I suggesting Coach Lancaster was making excuses. My only point is that any team in a Pool B situation had better hope the selection committee has at least a basic understanding of their situation & why certain things may have happened vs. certain teams. Obviously, the loss of any starter will have a generally adverse effect on that team...the good teams regroup, the average teams may not be so lucky. I think we all know that injuries are part of the game & that sometimes a little adversity can bring a team together. It certainly appears that is the case with Aurora...and I hope with the Royals as well. Pool B really is a horrible place to be with a good team...having others determine your fate creates a long selection Monday for many teams & an even longer off-season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2008, 09:18:37 AM
Saratoga-

+ Karma. No need to defend you opinion. While I think it is getting ahead of ourselves I wonder if Moravian, Juniata or Scranton wins out if they go to the tourny. I think Susquehanna is the only team that can win out and have no shot at the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 11:51:19 AM
Matt - looking forward to the game tonight... will you make it?

This is a great rivalry that transfered from the CAC to the LAND. Wait, that's right! I was told the CUA media guide clearly states that Goucher/Catholic is NOT a rivalry!!! I will be double-checking that tonight, but I certainly hope it is true! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
You shouldn't rely on what you were told. A reading of the media guide is probably appropriate before making such a statement.

Typical TV "journalist" there. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 23, 2008, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 PM

Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival, but...that's what success does.


:)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
Jeez - I meant to write "I sure hope it ISN'T true!"

And us TV journalists usually rely a lot on the written folks - thus why we usually get burned ;-).

And I don't know about rivalry in the CAC... but CUA was certainly everyone's enemy :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
If you rely on the print media then you are a day behind the story. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 23, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
Jeez - I meant to write "I sure hope it ISN'T true!"

And us TV journalists usually rely a lot on the written folks - thus why we usually get burned ;-).

And I don't know about rivalry in the CAC... but CUA was certainly everyone's enemy :).

THAT was my point back in November!

Call it what you want, but there was something "extra" in a lot of those games.   Seemed like Marymount played their best games of the season every year against CUA, for instance.

Anyway, I really wanted to go to tonight, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to.   We've had all kind of sickness around here and my wife is getting over the flu.  I'd go on my own, but then she'd have to watch the baby all by herself tonight.  So it looks like its a no-go.    :(

Keep us updated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 06:11:28 PM
Worse case scenario, Matt... I will do a good job updating the scoreboard (which I usually do!).

And if Goucher feels they want to broadcast it on their radio station, I will try and get a link up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
I am updating the scoreboard as often as possible. I also put a link on there for Goucher Radio... or you can try this link: [url'"http://www.goucher-radio.net/tunein.html"]http://www.goucher-radio.net/tunein.html[/url]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:21:40 PM
By the way... we have had two stoppages of play due to blood on the floor! Both have happend to Cardinals. One was Chris McGrew trying to pull in an errant pass on the baseline... looked like he fell and hit his head/face on the floor. The other was to Ryan Horka. He stole a Goucher inbounds pass or just a pass on Catholic's baseline. It looked like he may have pumped faked a shot, which got Goucher's Tim Merritt in the air. Horka never left the ground and Merritt landed on top of him; Horka ladded forehead first on the floor. Not intentional and certainly no malice... but unfortuneate (sp?) all the same.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:24:38 PM
Turns out it was McGrew's chin... not his nose (phew!).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 08:51:31 PM
Hope his chin is ok?  How's McGrew playing?  I think he has the most potential of any CUA player--if he can move more effectively (like, without fouling) inside, he could be really dominant.

Alas, looks like Goucher radio is not working.  According to D-Mac's last update, CUA is up 12 early in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 09:06:40 PM
Yeah - goucher radio is probably working... but you may have trouble with their quicktime stream (which means you have never listened to a live hoopsville show, matt!).

McGrew is ok. I think he certainly has potential... but he hasn't been a big part of this game - mainly because he missed so much time in the first half with the chin issue!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:09:08 PM
Well, it loads but then it gets stuck in the "negotiating" stage.

Yeah, he's a guy who needs to get involved early or he's generally not a huge factor.  Looks like they aren't having much trouble putting up points tonight though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:12:34 PM
Ok...well they WEREN'T having trouble.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 09:14:08 PM
65-61 CUA 5:30 Matt!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:25:17 PM
71-66...hang on fellas...

I didn't know Jonah Goldberg went to Goucher, incidentally.   Doesn't seem like his kind of place!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2008, 09:34:25 PM
Just shut off the Scranton at Morvian game with about 10 minutes left with Scranton leading 66-37. Ouch!!!
SU leads Juniata, 26-21 at the half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:35:52 PM
Looks like Catholic won, 76-68.

Important win for this team...get up to double digits and gives something to build on for next year.   Finish with two wins, and a good half against Scranton before that.  

This season ended for Catholic a minute ago and I'm already looking forward to next year.  They'll be a lot better.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:52:22 PM
Stat of the year for Catholic:

Despite their 10-15 record, they outscored their opponents 1667-1654.   They were ahead in both halves.  How often does that happen?

The reason--they lost SIX games by 5 points or less, including 2 in OT.  They lost another 4 by 10 or less.  That means they realistically had a chance to win 20 out of their 25 games this year.

There's no doubt in my mind that next year's time, with a little more experience and seasoning, will win their share of those games. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Just heard that Jason Banzhof had 32 points and 18 rebounds tonight.  Wow...that should seal ROY for him.  He's really taken over in the second half of the season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 12:04:20 AM
Matt,
     Impressive stats to be sure, but Zach Ashworth had a fine game also in leading the Royals with 20 points including 3-3 from the 3-pt and foul lines.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:48:03 AM
Well, lets total them up tomorrow and see where we are at. 

Ashworth certainly had a very good year...but, you have to differentiate between the two somehow, and to me, the guy with consistently better numbers should win. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
    I agree-we'll just have to find out which one that is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
    I agree-we'll just have to find out which one that is.

Well, here they are:

Jason Banzhof, Catholic:  12.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, .556 fg%, (.382 3 point), .752 ft%, .9 apg
Zach Ashworth, Scranton: 10.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, .433 fg% (.403 3 point). .680 ft%, 1.4 apg

According to Landmark Conference leader statistics:
Banzhof ranks (overall/freshman): #10 in ppg (#1 freshman), #6 rpg (#1 freshman), #2 field goal percentage (#1 freshman), #8 field goal percentage (#1 freshman), #2 offensive rebounds (#1 freshman), #7 defensive rebounds (#2 freshman), #27 minutes per game (#5 freshman).

Ashworth ranks: #12 in ppg (#2 freshman), #14 free throw percentage (#2 freshman), #8 steals per game (#2 freshman), #7 3 point percentage (#1 freshman), #15 minutes per game (#2 freshman).  He does not appear on the leaderboard in rebounds, field goal percentage.


Sorry, ronk--I think this is a slam dunk.  You have a kid who is the #1 ranked freshman in 5 categories, including the biggies--points, field goal percentage, and rebounds.  He's actually widened the gap in ppg and its now nearly 2.  He shoots for a much higher percent and he's one of the leading rebounders in the entire league.

Ashworth only beats him in 3 point percentage--but Banzhaf is still shooting a respectable number, and assists--but 1.4 apg frankly is not that impressive for a guard, and not in the top 15 in the league.

Jason Banzhaf SHOULD be the Landmark Rookie of the Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2008, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:48:03 AM
Well, lets total them up tomorrow and see where we are at. 

Ashworth certainly had a very good year...but, you have to differentiate between the two somehow, and to me, the guy with consistently better numbers should win. 

Matt, if that were the Cold Case, then Stephon Marbury could be considered a top 5 pg in NBA history.;

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_per_g_career.html

Add those assists to his 19.7 ppg and he places behind the Big O as one of the highest scoring pg's. ..
Add pts and assists and Magic moves above Starbury along with Isiah.
Still places him top 5!!

Point in fact, most of us including myself don't believe Starbury is a top 20 pg nonetheless a top 5 all time.

Stats are not the whole story. Figures lie and liars figure so they say.

What intangibles do these players bring to the floor. Did they excel in big moments in big games? Do they make the players around them better?
Are they selfish? How well do they play defense? Do they lose their cool or are they poised?

To me, 'value' is more than a box score.

Enuff on that subject.

Wish the Royals well in the playoffs. I really thought  this team was NCAA bound pre-season. Have followed them so am familiar with the injury issues etc.
I am thinking they are healthy now and ready to go. 

Naismith
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 08:46:20 AMAshworth only beats him in 3 point percentage--but Banzhaf is still shooting a respectable number, and assists--but 1.4 apg frankly is not that impressive for a guard, and not in the top 15 in the league.Jason Banzhaf SHOULD be the Landmark Rookie of the Year.

Colonel Matt, your rose colored Catholic glasses have allowed your biasness to flow through once again. Let's see. You left out the only two items that matter: Pressure and importance.
How many pressure shots did Banzof put up? Considering Catholic was 10-15, the answer is very few. Nobody takes a sub-500 team seriously, especially when they were 1-7 against the top four teams in the conference.
In contrast, Ashworth was more important to his team and played in a boat load of key games most of the season. In fact, Scranton would not have made the playoffs if it weren't for him.
Stats are impressive but Banzof started and played a heck of a lot more minutes than Ashworth (another factor you accidentally left out). I'll take a player that comes up clutch in big games over anyone.
However, Banzof is quite a player, but not nearly the big-time performer like Ashworth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 11:02:50 AM
First of all, I didn't leave out minutes. 

Ashworth ranks: #12 in ppg (#2 freshman), #14 free throw percentage (#2 freshman), #8 steals per game (#2 freshman), #7 3 point percentage (#1 freshman), #15 minutes per game (#2 freshman).  He does not appear on the leaderboard in rebounds, field goal percentage.

I did not mention games started, but if I had, it would have been Banzhaf 22, Ashworth 12.  Banzhaf certainly played his share of minutes though--and the fact that Ashworth played more means that Banzhaf was also the more efficient, productive players.  In other words, Ashworth's scoring is partly a result of simply being out of the court more--and yet he still scored significantly less than Banzhaf.

Now, as for intangibles, a couple points.  First of all, as I understand it, this is not a "Most Valuable Rookie" award, its a "Rookie of the Year" award.  Traditionally, in all sports, that award goes to the best rookie, which I think the statistic clearly show was Jason.

Second, I would argue that Jason had a tougher job.  He played with a much weaker supporting cast.  There was nobody out there to make him better.  His job, as a forward, certainly is dependent on guards getting him the ball in a good position and setting him up for good shots.  Frankly, he didn't get much help in that regard--he had to do it himself.

Third, its not like Scranton is an absolute slam dunk tournament team.  For some reason, cold case thinks I have something against Scranton.  I don't.  I'm excited Scranton is in this league.  They're a great program.  But I'm hardly a hater for pointing out that they had a bit of a disappointing year this year.  They should have been better--and actually right now I do think they're playing the best basketball in the league.

But anyway, its a stretch to say that Ashworth has been consistently clutch on an elite team.  Scranton hasn't been at that level and they did lose some games they shouldn't have.  I certainly don't hold that against him at ALL, I'm only bringing it up because its being used as an argument for him.

Meanwhile, if you look at Banzhaf, I can say the same thing--Catholic would have not won the games it did with him.   They didn't win as many games as Scranton did, no, but he was their leading scorer in the last 7 games in a row and in 11 games total.

In other words--when teams play Catholic, at this point, the opposing team knows it has to shut down Jason Banzhaf.  He's the guy they key on.  That is not the case for Scranton...Ashworth is not "the guy." 

Good debate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2008, 12:02:05 PM
Wow.  Matt I have to admire you enthusiasm for a team that went 4-10 in the conference. Now can we give it a rest? I see enough campaign ads on TV. Give Banzhof the  Rookie of the Year, I am sure Ashworth would rather be where he is right now, in the playoffs, then the recipient of the Rookie of the Year

No one said that Scranton is a slam dunk tournament team. But they put up an excellent all around effort and beat Moravian in their building, where they had been undefeated. Nothing but good things to say about the Scranton effort in Bethlehem on Saturday night. I did listen to Dean Corwin, rather than Gordan  Mann, but I hope he doesn't hold that against me.


The Royals go right back to Moravian on Weds at 7pm for a repeat of Saturday's game, and Juniata at Sus, for a repeat of their game Saturday. Lets savior this win and break down the  playoffs later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2008, 12:02:05 PMI did listen to Dean Corwin, rather than Gordan  Mann, but I hope he doesn't hold that against me.

I started listening to the Scranton announcers but switched to Gordon "Manfred" Mann. Scranton play-by-play man, Dean Corwin is very good, but I couldn't take Harry Dammer. Geez, listening to him is like finger nails scratching on the blackboard. Well, maybe worse.
I'm going down on Wednesday, first Royal road trip since I worked the Scranton bombing run at Wilkes last year. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
Hey, you guys challenged me, what'd you want me to do?  I fight for my guys.  ;D  And frankly, I had a better case.

For what its worth, I think Scranton will win the conference tournament.   I hope whoever does gets a bid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2008, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
For what its worth, I think Scranton will win the conference tournament.   I hope whoever does gets a bid.

I'm a little biased, but why count out Susquehanna? They have the #1 seed and will have home-court as fas as they go. And last night they showed they can win without Josh Robinson.

Although I'd rather be an underdog.  :)

Last night was a crazy game. Juniata traveled well and the atmosphere in O.W. Houts was the rowdiest it's been all year. I hope our kids come back out Wednesday, and that Juniata's stay home to watch the women's team!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 01:07:20 PM
Despite their win without Josh Robinson - that is the reason I wouldn't bet on Susquehanna winning the conference tournament. My "money" is on Scranton as well. They seem to be playing the best basketball at this time in the season.

As for the conference getting a Pool B bid... doubtful. Moravian has the least number of regional losses with seven then any other team in the conference. That is just too many losses to be considered for the tournament, even if Moravian rights the ship and wins the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2008, 01:24:51 PM
Matt: I too appreciate your devotion to Jason...let's let the coaches decide as I'm quite sure they have a much finer appreciation for the total picture of what each of these kids has done. In all honesty...I think there is far less pressure on any player playing in games that have little or no playoff implications than there is on a player whose team needs almost every possesion to go their way. Trust me, Ashworth played his role to near perfection last night in a game the Royals had to have if the quest is to continue. All things considered...NEPAFAN is right on the money.. Zach could probably give two cents about the award as long as the Royals keep playing. And, should they continue to play as they did last evening, I think regardless of who they play or where they play...they are going to present a challenge. Three things jump out at me from the game last night...first, the Royals established the tempo from the start...went inside/out & the kids continue to be on fire from the outside & they played determined & passionate defense for a full game. At one point in the second half Scranton was actually up 31 points against a team that had not lost at home, was playing before a Senior night crowd & had they won, would have been the regular season champs. Not a bad nights work. Of course, everything changes now in the second season...one bad game can be erased, one great game can be followed by a, "what kids forgot to get off the bus" moment & a missed free-throw here & there in the first half can make all the difference in the world by the time the final horn sounds. If the Royals can duplicate even 70% of last night game...they win. However, should they take the court & think it's going to be a cake walk & that Moravian...still licking its wounds will just roll over & die for them...well, then the uniforms get packed away prematurely yet again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 02:01:53 PM
'toga, did you ever hear of paragraphs??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2008, 02:46:08 PM
Agree with Saratoga. Scranton cannot go back to Moravian and think they can walk all over the Greyhounds again. Moravian will have a chip on their shoulder after last night's loss and will come out with a much better effort on Weds at 7.

If I am a Scranton coach my Mantra is to forget about last night's score and focus on maintaining  intensity and hustle. I also repeat whatever I told the kids Friday night and Saturday morning!

Let's worry about Pool B after the Playoffs, the committee always throws in some curveballs so it will be something to look out for.

C_C,


I can take Dammer when they Royals are winning, it is another story when they are losing! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
   I enjoy listening to Prof Harry analyze the games; I get a better sense from him on how the Royals are doing separate  from the score because he's more critical, tells why things work or don't, when the team is lacking in effort, when refs are out of position in making calls or make a call that belongs to one of the other refs.

Nepa,
    You have to worry about pool B from the 1st game of the year; everyone's important; you have to eliminate reasons for the committee to choose someone else over you. Dean Corwin said last nite during the ladies' game that in comparison to Moravian, the royals had nothing to play for- they would be hosting the 4 seed regardless in the playoffs this week. He overlooked the importance of the game in the pool B selection process.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
CC: You mean a subdivision of written composition that consists of one or more sentences, deals with a particular point or gives the words or thoughts of one speaker, and begins on a new, usually indented line??? No.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 08:23:10 PM
While I get the point, I think there's a pretty fair amount of pressure on any freshman who is given a starting job early and basically has to be "the guy" for a division 3 team.  These kids come into the season totally unproven and unknown.   They fight for playing time and respect.   In that situation, to have a kid that is in the top 10 in their conference in scoring as a freshman, field goal percentage and rebounds is pretty special.


D-Mac makes a pretty fair point...its probably a stretch for any team to get in this year.

Any thoughts from the game last night, Dave?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
Mat... it was an interesting game. CUA never seemed to lose it or play bad when they lost the lead several times to Goucher. They played the same way the entire game. Goucher, on the other hand, was up and down the entire game. They started a lineup I hadn't seen all season (two players hardly played all season) and seemed to click in some moments and not in others. Even though Goucher had been known for coming back in games - almost in ever game and from any deficit - I didn't expect them to in the second half... but they did and nearly pulled off the victory. CUA won thanks to free throw shooting and rebounding. Goucher had its chances but couldn't pull in the loose rebounds or hit their FT's (a theme for years).

These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years. Right now, I would say CUA may have the edge since they have size inside... but these two teams are going to be putting up some incrediable battles for the next three years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 10:30:59 PM
Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years.

Wow...considering the talent that was on Catholic's CAC Champion team last year, that is high praise, indeed.  I actually agree, though--I think the ceiling with this group is actually higher--there are a number of freshman that are well ahead of where guys like Scott Fumai, Pat Dwyer and Stephen Wheeler were as freshman.

Just judging from the amount of talent leaving the conference, you'd have to think that Catholic, Goucher and Merchant Marine will all be forces next year and beyond. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:48:09 PM
Matt... I certainly see more in the CUA team of Freshmen this year than I saw in Fumai, Dwyer, and Wheeler. That being said... let's see where the next three years take the Cardinals - before jumping out too far on that limb.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2008, 09:11:13 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years.

The future of the league? I actually enjoyed reading your posts until you came up with that comical one. We're talking Goucher, with absolutely no history or mystique whatsoever and Catholic over the past decade or so.
Colonel Matt's biased posts towards Catholic are just stupid, but we expect better from you.
You know, the six teams north of the Mason-Dixon line that comprise the eight team Landmark Conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2008, 10:16:27 AM
Well, look...I said from the very beginning that over the long term, I think that Catholic and Scranton will consisently be at the top of this league.  If we fast forward 15 years and total up wins and championships, those two are probably going to be at the top of the list.

But, at least in the next year or two, Goucher does have some good talent and isn't losing barely anything next year.  Same thing for Catholic and Merchant Marine.  The other schools have to rebuild a little bit.  Doesn't mean they won't and they can't.

I love how I'm the only guy on this board that's supposedly biased, by the way...none of the Scranton guys are...not one bit.  Right. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2008, 10:20:37 AM
cold case - sorry if the reference was too broad for you. I am looking, as Matt is, at the next few years - which is in the future. I honestly hope all 8 programs in this conference will be able to compete against each other and a title each season... that way the conference becomes one of the best in the country. But, as Matt points out, Goucher, CUA, and Merchant Marine have a good base right now that can bring them to the top of the conference in the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 10:38:35 AM
Based on the long-term past of the Landmark Conference, cold_case, I don't think any school is currently permitte to talk smack about another's history. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 10:55:37 AM
Matt,


I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.



We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.


On to the games....any previews and thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 10:55:37 AM
Matt,
I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.
We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.

Ahhh, sophisticated humor, now that I appreciate.
By the way, did you ever notice that a losers refrain is always wait until next year? Another thing to ponder and I quote Joe Paterno: "Statistics are for losers!"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2008, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 25, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 10:55:37 AM
Matt,
I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.
We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.

Ahhh, sophisticated humor, now that I appreciate.
By the way, did you ever notice that a losers refrain is always wait until next year? Another thing to ponder and I quote Joe Paterno: "Statistics are for losers!"

And yet, Pat...here we are.  Talking smack.  Fine...

I really wouldn't know what a losers refrain is.  Catholic's won 20 games for 10 out of the last 11 seasons.  At least when the Cardinals rebuild, they still hit double digits in wins...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 01:20:38 PM
Found this on the Pool C board:



Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 01:20:38 PM
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 10:38:35 AM
Based on the long-term past of the Landmark Conference, cold_case, I don't think any school is currently permitte to talk smack about another's history. :)

Exception to the Law of Pat:

Schools with a long-term past with current Landmark members are encouraged to talk smack about history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 01:20:38 PM
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D


http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:00:05 AM
I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D

First of all, it's a 30-pack, nothing less will do.
Secondly, in regards to the schools south of the Mason-Dixon getting ready for golf:  ;D ;D ;D
At least Goucher always has a leg up on the competition every year. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 10:08:13 AM
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D

Apology granted. I just figured a 17-8 (9-5) team really had no chance of getting in, even with 2 more W's.  I mean, really, their resume includes losses to Lycoming AND Merchant Marine (twice).

And Chill30 - glad I could put a smile on your face on Playoff Eve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 01:20:38 PM
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D

Not calling shots...just noting that unless some of the fine individuals playing for these other fine institutions are on a five year plan (which is certainly not the case, given said fine nature of institutions), there shall be significant turnover in the league next year.

In other words, a whole bunch of teams are losing their best players.  Catholic isn't. Senior day was very emotional this year...a great tribute to the manager.

And given the level of talent and quailty of kid on this year's squad, there's reason for optimism....and maybe a later start to golf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:19:21 AM
Not calling shots...just noting that unless some of the fine individuals playing for these other fine institutions are on a five year plan (which is certainly not the case, given said fine nature of institutions), there shall be significant turnover in the league next year.

Hey Colonel Matt, you're other half paid a visit to the board. You make him look like Einstein in regards to posting.
And what are you insinuating in regards to players on five-year plans?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:36:22 AM
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 11:38:03 AM
Raises the question as to whether Einstein knew the proper usage of your and you're.

Your copy desk must have a field day with what you're filing to them. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:36:22 AM
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)

So let me see here. You're annointing or hinting that Catholic already has the Landmark in hand for next year while knowing who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in???
You must be Einstein!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 11:38:03 AM
Raises the question as to whether Einstein knew the proper usage of your and you're.
Your copy desk must have a field day with what you're filing to them. :)

That's what they get paid for. You know that as well as I or anyone in the field.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:36:22 AM
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)

So let me see here. You're annointing or hinting that Catholic already has the Landmark in hand for next year while knowing who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in???
You must be Einstein!

Well I may very well be, but in this instance...no, you're just putting words in my mouth.  And not even that coherently, since you just asserted that I DO know "who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in" when you probably intended to say the opposite.  But then again...I am Einstein, so maybe I do.

(Maybe you can run your posts through your desk first).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 10:08:13 AM
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D

Apology granted. I just figured a 17-8 (9-5) team really had no chance of getting in, even with 2 more W's.  I mean, really, their resume includes losses to Lycoming AND Merchant Marine (twice).

And Chill30 - glad I could put a smile on your face on Playoff Eve.


No problem CJ. If Scranton wins the Landmark and finishes at 19-8, they represent the Landmark in Pool B.  Simple as that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
Cold_Case,


I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
Cold_Case,
I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?

You're right. Why lower myself.
If I'm Moravian's coach, I'd tell my kids that we have a lot of seniors and Scranton has a lot of seniors so since we won't get back to the playoffs again, let's go out and enjoy ourselves, savor this one moment that the two schools south of the Mason-Dixon line afforded us.
Ooooops, I just lowered myself. Oh well, it won't happen again. I promise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
Cold_Case,


I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?

Well I'm about done with "engaging" Scranton's head cheerleader, so don't worry about it.   I can't possibly make him look much worse than he's making himself look anyway.

Let's try this: Good luck to both squads.  They're both talented, but I'd be surprised if Scranton didn't get the win.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2008, 03:18:32 PM
cold_case... what in the world are you doing? No one has insulted your fine school and I have said many a good thing about Scranton and the others here. Why in the world are you now taking cheap shots at schools "south of the Mason-Dixon Line?"

Matt and I have both said we feel comfortable about our squads in the future. Both are young with very little turnover this season. Other schools in this conference are going to experience a lot of turnover which may take some time to build back up from. I even said I thought CUA had the edge right now, simply from the talent I have seen from their underclassmen. None of that has been shots are the other schools, just stating facts and presenting opinions.

That being said, my thoughts and opinions are that Scranton probably wins the conference title this season. Moravian has not shown me in recent weeks that they have a team that can over come what Scranton has for weapons. Susquehanna has lost a lot in Josh Robinson and has shown they can't win consistently. And Juniata, while good, I don't think can win two straight to take the title.

All of that being said, as well. I don't think the Landmark gets a Pool B bid this season. I would honestly be surprised if they do. Scranton has the best shot and has to win out. They already have a number of losses that are not helping their cause. I also think there are better Pool B options that the committee will take first: Maryville (TN), Chapman, probably Nebraska Wesleyan (especially if they win their last two games), and there is still Aurora and others to consider.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 09:56:47 AM
Tonight's Scranton-Moravian game will be broadcast at:


www.scranton.edu/wusr     Game Time : 7:00pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2008, 10:32:17 AM
NEPA, I just noticed across the top of this page that you can receive e-mails. I got one before and noticed there are six in all.

Predictions tonight: Moravian by eight and Juniata by five.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
Direct from the "Desk"

The 2007-2008 Landmark Conference award recipients are as follows:

1st-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class   
G-Randy Arnold, Scranton              Sr.     
G-Ryan Miller, Moravian                 Sr.                 
G-Josh Robinson, Susquehanna    Sr.               
C-Tom Bicknell, Scranton              Sr.                 
F-Kevin Cuff, Susquehanna          Sr.                 
F-Chris Earley, Moravian              Sr.                 

2nd-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class           
G-Zach Ashworth, Scranton          Fr.               
G-Chris Lopez, Drew                    Sr.                 
G-Kyle Opitz, Juniata                    Sr.                 
F-Jason Banzhaf, Catholic             Fr.                 
F-Brian Cannon, Juniata               Sr.                 
F-Mark Franzyshen, Moravian       Sr.                             

Player of the Year: Josh Robinson, Susquehanna
Defensive Player of the Year: Chris Earley, Moravian
Rookie of the Year: Jason Banzhaf, Catholic
Coaching Staff of the Year: Moravian College (Head Coach, Jim Walker)

No sophomores or juniors? Kooky.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
I am actually surprised Goucher's Darrin Boswell didn't make the teams... but I don't vote! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2008, 03:40:04 PM
Dave: Boswell looked pretty good in both games I saw him as did the shooting guard from USMMA who hails from Baltimore. A good friend tells me the Royals win by 7 tonight at Moravian & Juniata pulls one out at Susquehanna. If that happens...as unbelievable as it seemed 2 weeks ago, Scranton would host Sat. night for the championship. With that said, the Royals & Juniata probably both leave their games on the bus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2008, 03:59:03 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings just out...Scranton moves in at # 8. Can they further justify the move with another big road win tonight? If they are peaking...they certainly picked the right time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 04:05:49 PM
Saratoga getting a little pumped up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2008, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
Direct from the "Desk"

The 2007-2008 Landmark Conference award recipients are as follows:

1st-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class   
G-Randy Arnold, Scranton              Sr.     
G-Ryan Miller, Moravian                 Sr.                 
G-Josh Robinson, Susquehanna    Sr.               
C-Tom Bicknell, Scranton              Sr.                 
F-Kevin Cuff, Susquehanna          Sr.                 
F-Chris Earley, Moravian              Sr.                 

2nd-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class           
G-Zach Ashworth, Scranton          Fr.               
G-Chris Lopez, Drew                    Sr.                 
G-Kyle Opitz, Juniata                    Sr.                 
F-Jason Banzhaf, Catholic             Fr.                 
F-Brian Cannon, Juniata               Sr.                 
F-Mark Franzyshen, Moravian       Sr.                             

Player of the Year: Josh Robinson, Susquehanna
Defensive Player of the Year: Chris Earley, Moravian
Rookie of the Year: Jason Banzhaf, Catholic
Coaching Staff of the Year: Moravian College (Head Coach, Jim Walker)

No sophomores or juniors? Kooky.

Speaking of pumped...

(Kidding, guys.)   Congrats to Jason..he deserved it.  Glad Ashworth made second team, also, so that he got some recognition for his outstanding rookie season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2008, 09:12:28 PM
What the hell happened to Susquehanna?

Scranton-Moravian must have been a great game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
Congrats to Banzhaf!  ;D



Scranton-Moravian was incredible. Down 10 with 6 minutes left, Scranton comes storming back to win.


I hope Dean Corwin didn't have a heart attack!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2008, 10:07:48 AM
Last night's victory is a credit to Scranton's seniors. Randy Arnold and Tom Bicknell played great down the stretch. Also have to give alot of credit to Freshman  phenom Zach Ashworth (who played like a Senior) and was great down the stretch. A couple key layups and hitting those all important free throws.


And how is there no write up in the Scranton Times?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2008, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2008, 09:12:28 PM
What the hell happened to Susquehanna?

They read all the "Susquehanna can't win without Robinson" hype and believed it.  :(

Credit to Juniata though. SU came out flat, Juniata was pumped, they jumped ahead and never looked back. I'd heard some Juniata fans muttering after Saturday's game that the refs gave it to SU, so I guess the Eagles came in ready for revenge.

That was a really hard way to see Cuff, Okanak, Gaebel and Marshall go out though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 08:11:19 PM
While rummaging though press releases and stat sheets, I noticed something very strange in the Juniata/Susquehanna playoff game. Sure Robinson didn't play for SU, but I didn't see Juniata's top scorer and rebounder, Brian Cannon, in the boxscore either. Unless it was a typo?
I checked all the scoring of the Juniata players and it totalled 77, with no Cannon listed.
Pat, any news on Cannon before I see a release tomorrow night?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 08:12:41 PM
Sorry -- we don't hear much from Juniata.  Us desk guys just edit -- it's you reporters who are supposed to do the ... what's that called ... reporting. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 08:19:36 PM
Never mind. The Altoona paper has a kid named Baker scoring 21 off the bench but the conference website has Cannon scoring 21. You just can't trust newspaper people these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 08:31:34 PM
Ain't it the truth. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2008, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 08:31:34 PM
Ain't it the truth. :)


That is why we have the D3 Family of websites!


Okay on to the Inagural Landmark Conference Championship. Tip is set for 7:30 at the Long Center. I won't be able to attend or listen for that matter, but here is hoping that Scranton students come out and make some noise for both the women and the men. Scranton and Juniata split the season series with both teams blowing out the other in their home gyms. I do believe that Randy Arnold was far from 100% when the Royals played at Juniata. I think he only took 2 shots and scored 2 points.


However, Juniata's victory of Susquehanna was pretty impresseive. It was a romp, they stomped on the Crusaders and will come into Scranton with a lot of confidence.


Bottom Line

In a  very close game (however not as close as the Scranton-Moravian semifinal):


I'll take the Royals +3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bigjoe on March 02, 2008, 09:14:35 PM
I was at the Scranton vs. Junianta title game and, without question, Scranton is the most improved squad I have seen over the past six weeks.  No superstars, who dominate a game, but Arnold is the best point guard in this conference or last year's conference and Ashworth is a pleasure to watch.  Tom Bicknell is a force, who gets the most out of his talent, and is the emotional catalyst for the team.  The rest of the squad plays Danzig basketball and nothing intimidates them.  This is one of the best-shooting teams I have seen, with 10 players who can contribute when called on.  Kirk can launch NBA 3's and Biagioli, who did not play against Junianta, is a great leaper with a nice all-around game.  Fitzpatrick will slash through the lane and can shoot on the run.  O'Connel and Fuller both come off the bench and hold their own.  Hawk is a very good passer with a nose for the ball.  Along with Bicknell, he gives Scranton just enough reboudning presence.   I believe Scranton will not only get an invitation to the tournament, but I also think they will make it to the 16.  After that, who knows?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2008, 10:11:54 PM
Good Stuff.


Glad to hear the result from this weekend. Congrats to the Landmark Conference Champions, hopefully the first of many.


Tomorrow should be an interesting day. We'll find out if the Royals are in and where they fall in the bracket.


Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2008, 01:07:36 PM
Wow.   BOTH Scranton and Moravian get in.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2008, 01:08:20 PM
Moravian gets in after losing its final three games of the season?
Pat, where is the Elms/Scranton game???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2008, 02:26:57 PM
Cold Case,


Game is at Gettysburg. Winner of the Elms (who?) Scranton game plays the winner of Gettysburg-Salem State.


I don't know when though, the Scranton athletic site is overloaded.

Congrats to Moravian on getting in!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2008, 02:38:17 PM
Elms is not bad. They won their last 13 games so this could be a great game.
I'll bet the house DeSales is a hornets nest right about now. Finish 21-6 and don't get an invite while Moravian not only gets in but hosts a game. This from a conference that doesn't even have an automatic qualififer. Funny stuff.
Who cares. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2008, 02:57:48 PM
Well, clearly, eligibility for a Pool B ended up being a benefit this year...who would have thought that you'd be better positioned for a bid by being a Pool B team?

I think there's probably more than a few eyebrows raised.  York's probably not too happy, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 02:58:52 PM
How does Moravian get a bid in front of Juniata, who not only made the conference finals but is apparently ahead of Moravian in the most current regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 06:32:06 PM
If Juniata was "apparently" ahead in a regional ranking that isn't even posted... they would be in. Moravian has a better resume than Juniata... that being said... I was SHOCKED that Moravian made it - and I said it on the show.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2008, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2008, 02:38:17 PM
Elms is not bad. They won their last 13 games so this could be a great game.
I'll bet the house DeSales is a hornets nest right about now. Finish 21-6 and don't get an invite while Moravian not only gets in but hosts a game. This from a conference that doesn't even have an automatic qualififer. Funny stuff.
Who cares. ;D


Okay but what kind of competition are they playing?


Scranton is in a better bracket than say Moravian (and to the victor go the spoils), who plays 13-15 John Jay, but then has to play powerhourse Amherst in the 2nd round, or Kings, who plays Clarkson but then has to play at Plattsburg St.   Scranton on the other hand, can play with Elms College, Salem St, and Gettysburg.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 08:25:17 PM
Dave,
Can you elaborate on how Moravian's resume is better than Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
Win-Loss Percentage against regional opponents
Moravian  17-8 .680
Juniata  16-9 .640

Strength of Schedule against regional competition
Moravian  0.464 0.501
Juniata  0.508 0.503

In-Region Head-to-Head competition
1-1 split - Juniata needed OT to beat Moravian at home; Moravian easily handled Juniata at their place

In-Region Results versus common regional opponents
Believe it or not, the Landmark conference games are the only common opponents.
Moravian 9-5 (LAND)
Juniata 9-5 (LAND)

Scranton: 1-2 for both teams
Susquehanna: 1-1 Moravian, 1-2 Juniata
Catholic: 1-1 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Goucher: 2-0 Moravian, 1-1 Juniata
Drew: 2-0 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Merchant Marine: 1-1 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Total - Moravian 8-5, Juniata 9-4
However, the extra lose to Susquehanna probably hurt a bit more for Juniata

In-Region Results versus regionally ranked teams:
I need to work that one a bit more... because I am so tired and I am not sure what the final regional rankings (since no one does). But I will get back to this.

It seems small... but the simple fact that Moravian had a better in region record... probably gave them the edge.

And for the record, I am completely SHOCKED that Moravian made the tournament. It is the ONLY think that has been glaringly wrong in the tourney. But that is MHO.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 09:34:33 PM
In-Region Results versus regionally ranked opponents:
(this is based on the Week 3 ranked teams, so may not be perfect)

Ursinus - no games
Gettysburg - no games
Widener - no games
York - no games
DeSales - Moravian: lost (but since DeSales didn't make the tourney, I suspect this game didn't factor it)
Albright - no games
Lycoming - no games
Scranton - both teams were 1-2 against Scranton

I suspect there were other teams that made the final, but secret, regional rankings that probably gave the edge to Moravian. I am sure these games don't count, but Moravian has wins over Kean and Richard Stockton, both in the tournament. Juniata's only tournament opponent are Moravian and Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
Thanks for clearing that up with all those details, Dave. I thought maybe since Juniata made it to the finals and beat the #1 seed Susquehanna @ SU would have helped, and that Moravian lost their last 3. But oh well, that's why they have the selection comittees, right? I think a lot of people around the region are shocked that Moravian got in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2008, 10:45:22 PM
First off...congrats are in order to the UofS for hanging in there while all the injuries healed & the ship was steared away from all the iceburgs. Best of luck to the "other" Landmark selection...Moravian in their bracket. That said...I really do question how Moravian really did get in. I mean how a team did in the last 25% of their games is actually supposed to account for something heading into the tournament & I'm sorry...losing a game to a very very sub par Catholic team when that victory will allow your team to clinch the top spot & then to get crushed by Scranton at Moravian on their Senior Night is simply not getting it done. Follow that up by another loss at home to Scranton in the FIRST round of the Landmark Tournament & that should be the ticket to the ECAC not the NCAA. I'm still hoping the selection committee can explain this move...thus far, nothing but a bunch of really minimal statistics that have many scratching their heads. However, now that we are all doubting the Greyhound selection...if I were Amherst...I'd prepare  hard...very hard for this game. By the way...John Jay is toast.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2008, 11:02:45 PM
    I almost got the daily double of the lady royals in the early game at Messiah and the men in the nitecap at Gburg. Could've seen the doubleheader since the schools are only 20 min apart; but I'll b happy with a short trip to see the men.

Dmac,
   Did/could you archive the men's show today? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2008, 11:18:28 PM
     Dmac,
         Sorry, just saw that you've already provided the link. and now I see the women are now hosting- must be because Rochester men have priority this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 07:57:22 AM
The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 04, 2008, 07:57:22 AM
The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.
The "last 25% of the schedule" wording is new to the 2008 Handbook.  There is also the caveat that there must be approval from the Championships Committee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 09:48:37 AM
Interesting tidbit for the Scranton-Elms matchup

Elms
33 Chris Hartmann So.  F 6-6 Canberra, Australia Canberra

Scranton
40 Tom Bicknell  C  6-8  230 Sr. Melbourne, Australia/St. Bede's College


Wonder if they know each other from playgrounds of Australia!



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:11:55 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.



Moravian is a Pool B team, DeSales is not eligible for a pool B bid, DeSales should have won the conf tournament to assure a spot.  When they did not win the conference they got placed into Pool C consideration and there were probably Mid-Atlantic teams ahead of them in the final regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2008, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 AM
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.



Well, its not really that strange when you consider that comparing Moravian to any team other than a Pool B-eligible team is irrelevant.  Moravian wasn't competing with DeSales for a spot.  They were really only competing with Chapman.  

The committee COULDN'T invite DeSales over Moravian.  That wasn't the question before them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:31:14 AM
Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament.  Each region sent 8 teams.  That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years.  The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:31:14 AM
Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament.  Each region sent 8 teams.  That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years.  The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.

Wait a minute. Aren't you the Don Agricola fan??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
I watched him stumble back into his and my brothers room most nights when I was visiting my brother at Scranton.  He was a nice guy but always drunk.  Father Rock used to shake his head and wonder what he was going to do with that boy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!
cold_case... the Pools make sure that teams get an equal opportunity to get in. Pool B is for those conferences without AQ's who are transitioning to those automatic qualifications or completely independent teams. Pool A is obviously the AQ teams. And Pool C is everyone else.

I would say it isn't that fair for teams who are independents that can't schedule nearly as many teams late in the season because of conference play, to have their difficulties compared head to head with those with large conference schedules - more games sometimes. So, I have no problem with them getting a few bids on their own.

And as for DeSales... they had some really bad losses this season and if they truely deserved to be in the tournament, they should have won their conference title. They didn't; they weren't invited. They may have had a chance if some other teams far better than they had won their conference titles. They didn't; DeSales was still not invited.

As for Moravian, I have stated I am very surprised they got in. If they deserve to be there, they will easily beat John Jay (who won their conference, and the favorite there - York, NY- didn't get in either) and then maybe shock everyone and beat Amherst!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 11:29:34 AM
Let's see here. Since 'stalker and Dave came on in the past hour I've lost two karma points. Gee, I wonder who took them?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
Nice unfounded accusation.  I never take karma without telling the person.  Maybe someone else took exception to your uninformed comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2008, 01:07:06 PM
I highly doubt D-Mac is out there bothering with karma points, either...

(And no, it wasn't me). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 01:57:12 PM
This is a long shot , but does anyone have some thoughts on Elms?


I see they have a ton of steals, one player with 100+

I also see they lost to Amherst and Brandeis, both of whom are in the NCAA Tournament by only a few points...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 11:29:34 AM
Let's see here. Since 'stalker and Dave came on in the past hour I've lost two karma points. Gee, I wonder who took them?
Quote from: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
Nice unfounded accusation.  I never take karma without telling the person.  Maybe someone else took exception to your uninformed comments.
Same here, cold_case... I would have told you if I had "smited" you!

Also... remember, people can +/- karma without posting!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 04, 2008, 02:13:03 PM
Same here, cold_case... I would have told you if I had "smited" you!
Also... remember, people can +/- karma without posting!  :)

Maybe it's my old nemises from the Freedom. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 09:29:58 PM
Cold_Case,

Maybe it was Don Agricola.




Okay so I was able to do a bit of research for Friday:


Elms is 2nd in the nation in steals behind only Grinnell.

Junior Guard Aswad Thomas is also 2nd in the nation with 3.7 steals per game.


Interesting Fact: This year they have not played in front of a crowd larger than 419.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2008, 09:38:29 AM
http://www.gettysburgsports.com/Sports/mbball/2008/080303_MBB_NCAA_Regional.asp


Regional Website.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on March 06, 2008, 11:21:33 PM
I was hoping that Moravian would go futher in the playoff's. Did not think John Jay could pull it off but, they did.

John Jay 80 Moravian 74

Box score click here: http://www.moravian.edu/Athletics/basketball/games/MNCAA1.HTM
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 11:57:50 AM
Well it is apparent I am not going to get much discussion on this board.



So with that being said and after Scranton's last Tourny appearance against William Paterson (70-45), I  won't offer any predictions for tonight.


Offense vs. Defense tonight.

Go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:02:58 PM
I'll discuss with you. What do you want to discuss? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 12:07:22 PM
The Royals better control tempo & hit the open shots when they're there. Randy must limit the turnovers & when they press, Scranton has to attack like they did against Goucher. Two very contrasting styles...rock on Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:46:59 PM
'toga are you lost or did you just happen to finally land in the right room?
Also, you going down to Gettysburg tonight? I'm leaving W-B at 2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
Leaving D.C. at 2:30.

Entire Scranton regional:
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
"Scranton Regional" I like it!



Cold_Case,


Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
Leaving D.C. at 2:30.
Entire Scranton regional:
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Pat, if 'toga is going down, he can be your color analyst. 8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

OK

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
CC: My daughter wants to see the Lady Royals tonight...so guess who wins that one? I certainly hope both win it's just that I'm really pulling for the men so we can then have a road trip tomorrow for the second battle of Little Round Top. As much as I'd love both to win...just so there is at least one more game somewhere for the Royals/Lady Royals that's all that matters.  CC, NEPAFAN, Pat & the guys I know heading to the mens game...safe travels.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
Pat: On your linked D-3 Cast schedule, they have the 6:00 game listed as Elms vs. Salem St. & 8:00 Scranton vs. Gettysburg. That may need a correction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2008, 08:22:43 PM
how did that happen?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2008, 12:04:00 AM
Well... the Landmark was lucky to get two teams in the tourney... and then disappointed. I was told that Elms was very good, so I will give that one to them. But for the record, I know John Jay, their schedule, and the same for Moravian... that should have been win for Moravian.

Oh well... get ready for next year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2008, 01:00:10 AM
    The Elms were a bigger,better,faster version of Goucher. They wore the Royals down with their defensive pressure and effort expended just to get the half-court offense started with 15 secs left for each possession. Elms had no one to stop Bicknell down low but he didn't get enough touches.
   Still, the royals led 42-39 but could have been up by twice that except for 3 pushing off fouls on inbound plays and dribbling off one's foot with the result the royals only got 16 shots in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2008, 01:03:03 AM
ronk - thanks for that description... that actually helped me! I can see now why Scranton would have struggled. They had some trouble with Goucher, who is a year or two away from having a good squad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2008, 02:22:50 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.

Were the starters perhaps seniors playing their final home game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2008, 10:51:09 AM
All in All a good first season for the Royals in the Landmark Conference.  The seniors, Arnold, Bicknell, and Kirk had a very impressive record during their time at Scranton. They overcame a lot of injuries and had a nice run to the conference championship.


I am not going to pretend that I am not dissapointed with another 1st Round NCAA tourny loss. This wasn't as bad as William Patterson but a letdown nevertheless.  Here is hoping that Scranton can bring in some players to replace Bicknell's size and effort. I am less concerned with their Guard play and am looking forward to seeing Ashworth, Hawk and Fitzpatrick play together.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2008, 12:12:37 PM
NEPAFAN: Agreed...a nice season considering some nagging injuries but, certainly some serious work to do if the Royals want to compete on the national level any longer. Great careers by Ryan Kirk, Randy Arnold & Tom Bicknell. All very best as they get closer to graduation & grad. school & in Tom's case...Medical School back in Australia. It's been a quick four years & its been a pleasure getting to talk to the wonderful parents of these kids through the years before & after the games. Great kids/Great families.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2008, 11:53:32 PM
    Possible offense for the next year Royals demoed in the Gburg-Salem State game after the loss to Elms when Gburg got at least 10 layups by its mobile big men(Powers/Spirenburg) from its Princeton offense using high post screens. It was beautiful to watch for an old-schooler.
    Biagioli and Hawk are matches in body types and athleticism with their Gburg counterparts and are capable of doing the same in that offense; without a Bicknell in the lane, it might be the way to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 09, 2008, 12:12:37 PM
NEPAFAN: Agreed...a nice season considering some nagging injuries but, certainly some serious work to do if the Royals want to compete on the national level any longer.

Saratoga,

Do you think there is the desire/commitment by the powers that be to once again compete on the national level?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:32:02 PM
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 17, 2008, 03:23:55 PM
Great that you were able to include Pat Maloney in that group, Pat.   

Nothing will top the Red Sox winning the World Series in 2004 for me personally, but I don't think I've ever seen a run so improbably and exciting as Catholic had in 2001.   Not only did they win it all, but as you know they trailed by double digits fairly late in several of those tournament games.  I don't think I'll ever see a team with as much guts and character as those guys had.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 19, 2008, 02:42:03 PM
Congratulations to the Landmark Conference's 3 All Region Selections:
Josh Robinson, Susquehanna, 2nd Team
Brian Cannon, Juniata, 2nd Team
Tom Bicknell, Scranton, 3rd Team

All 3 of these players led their teams to great seasons and are all very deserving of the honor!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 24, 2008, 12:01:09 AM
It was mentioned on the multiregional subject that Scranton is one of only 3 schools with championships in both men & women's bball. Wash U joined Wis-Stevens Point Saturday as the others. Rather select company.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 17, 2008, 08:40:19 PM
It has certainly been an exciting week for Catholic University.  Having Pope Benedict visit campus twice has been an unprecedented level of attention and prestige to the school.  Truly an exciting time to be an alum and I couldn't be prouder about the way that everything was handled. 

Can't hurt for recruiting, either... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 18, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
Matt: Perhaps the real reason he visited is because he's applying for the womans hoop vacancy...the NYC & UN visits are just a cover.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 23, 2008, 05:52:42 PM
Danzig is being mentioned in the forums/blogs as one of the canidates as the next coach at Bucknell. Bucknell's head coach just retired and Danzig has close ties to the area. Danzig coached there and his father is in the Bucknell Hall of Fame.

I have no idea if Bucknell or Danzig are interested and it is a long list of candiates, but nevertheless:

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/7527/tp/1/


http://00569a6.netsolhost.com/wordpresstest/?p=169

From the second link:

Carl Danzig – A holdover from Charlie Woollum's staff, Danzig spent 11 seasons as an assistant at Bucknell before former Scranton A.D. Toby Lovecchio, a former Bucknell assistant A.D., hired him as the Royals head coach in 2001. Since then Danzig has compiled as 120-69 (.635) record, with three conference titles, including this past season, and three trips to the D-III tournament, including a sweet 16 in 2003.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 13, 2008, 02:45:09 AM
So does anybody have anything to offer up in terms of recruits coming in for the teams this year? I see Scranton has on their website a nice update on who they have coming in, but I don't believe I have seen that anywhere else. With what little we know right now about the teams for next year does anyone care to speculate? I see Scranton, Catholic, and Merchant Marine being 3 of the top 4 next year. I don't know who I believe the fourth will be at this point, but those three teams I would bet money on being in the playoffs next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on June 27, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
I think you could add Susquehanna to the mix. Even though they graduated Robinson and Cuff, they have back Majors and Patch to form a good 1-2 punch. Plus, you never know who they will have transferring in next.

Moravian and Juniata both lost a lot, so it will be interesting to see what kind of recruiting classes they both have coming in. I am not so sure what Drew and Goucher have coming back, but it does not look like Goucher lost a whole lot from last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 27, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
Don't think Majors will be back at SU next year I think he transferred to Millersville. Goucher returns everyone I believe save a few role players underneath. Juniata has a very large recruiting class this year and Moravian I am sure will be doing the same. Juniata however returns more experience in my opinion then Moravian and will have Senior leaders where as Moravian will probably be dependent upon Bays for leadership and as the go to player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 28, 2008, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on June 13, 2008, 02:45:09 AM
So does anybody have anything to offer up in terms of recruits coming in for the teams this year? I see Scranton has on their website a nice update on who they have coming in, but I don't believe I have seen that anywhere else. With what little we know right now about the teams for next year does anyone care to speculate? I see Scranton, Catholic, and Merchant Marine being 3 of the top 4 next year. I don't know who I believe the fourth will be at this point, but those three teams I would bet money on being in the playoffs next year.

Bballfan10,


Don't have more to add than what appeared on Scranton's website. Jaskula at 6'7 could be a replacement for Bicknell. However, Scranton losses a lot this year with Arnold and Kirk also moving on.   Thanks for striking up some conversation!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 02, 2008, 11:51:44 PM
Yes sounds like a potential replacement, but I think Paul Hawk, Fuller, and Biagioli will all be able to pick up the slack for the departed big man, what do you think? I guess in a sense you could also include Hawk's younger brother as a member of this years incoming class. I heard/read good things about him, do you know if he is a possible impact player for Scranton this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 03, 2008, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on July 02, 2008, 11:51:44 PM
Yes sounds like a potential replacement, but I think Paul Hawk, Fuller, and Biagioli will all be able to pick up the slack for the departed big man, what do you think? I guess in a sense you could also include Hawk's younger brother as a member of this years incoming class. I heard/read good things about him, do you know if he is a possible impact player for Scranton this year?

Luke Hawk is the best player on the roster. Ashworth is a distant second, which tells you something about Luke Hawk.
They also have a 6-5 banger (Ivan Bogovich), he can rebound as good as anyone but his scoring will come off rebounds (kid can't shoot to save his life).
The new kid (Jaskula) is so-so. Scranton may be using the three-point arc more than anytime since its inception.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 08, 2008, 09:20:24 PM
Didn't know that about Hawk. Look forward to seeing how he develops through his career, and what he and Ashworth accomplish together. Another guy worth mentioning in my opinion from Scranton is Londo. I believe he can make an impact. Seemed like a good athlete who just didn't have a total grasp of what the coach wanted last year. Anyone have anything to add about Catholic (Matt)? I am interested to hear about them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 08, 2008, 09:22:11 PM
NEPA and Cold Case: Being from that side of the state, do either of you know anything about Moravian and how their recruits and returners look?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 09, 2008, 07:55:32 PM
bballfan10,


Interesting take on Londo. I know that he has been battling injuries throughout his college career. I think he will certainly be in the mix in the front court for the Royals and will probably have a chance to show what he's got.


Sorry I can't provide any insight into Moravian, although I do believe they are losing alot?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 10, 2008, 10:51:23 AM
Well I have only seen him twice in person (1 of those games he was pretty impressive) so it may be an unfair judgement on my part, I am just speculating on why he wasnt playing. Injuries problly should have come to mind first now that I think back he had a huge brace on his leg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 11, 2008, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on July 10, 2008, 10:51:23 AM
Well I have only seen him twice in person (1 of those games he was pretty impressive) so it may be an unfair judgement on my part, I am just speculating on why he wasnt playing. Injuries problly should have come to mind first now that I think back he had a huge brace on his leg.

Pretty impressive? You must have seen him play volleyball. He was all-state in that sport in high school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 12, 2008, 09:22:14 AM
Yes, Scranton has had some bad luck with injuries. Luke Hawk going down in practice last year, and an injury to Bogovich.


There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on July 16, 2008, 12:36:28 PM
 i know this has nothing to do with D III baskeball and most who read this will really care less but ,, for anyone interested , former CUA coach  Mike Lonergan will be in town on Nov 21, Friday  when the Univ. of Vermont takes on the Univ. of MD ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 16, 2008, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 12, 2008, 09:22:14 AM
There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19359792&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 17, 2008, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on July 16, 2008, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 12, 2008, 09:22:14 AM
There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19359792&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6

+ Karma, that is the article...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 27, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
Juniata posted an article on their website about their incoming class. It's a large class that looks like it will be able to contribute a little bit of everything from the sound of it (size, shooting, etc.) The most important thing is for there to be a PG that emerges from this group to run the team. Here is the link.

http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+3392
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 01, 2008, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on July 27, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
Juniata posted an article on their website about their incoming class. It's a large class that looks like it will be able to contribute a little bit of everything from the sound of it (size, shooting, etc.) The most important thing is for there to be a PG that emerges from this group to run the team. Here is the link.

http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+3392


Thanks for the link. Juniata lands a Catholic transfer huh?

Ryan Jones
F, Coudersport, Pa./Coudersport

Ryan will be transferring to Juniata College from Catholic University of America, where he has been a member of the Catholic men's basketball team for the past two seasons. He will have junior athletic eligibility at Juniata



So Scranton is really only bringing in two players in this year's recruiting class?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 01, 2008, 10:26:22 AM
I'd be very surprised if that was the case for Scranton. Coming off another NCAA year and having lost a very good senior class I would have thought this one would be at least 4 or 5 good soild players.

Supposedly there is another Catholic player transferring to Salisbury University in MD. I didn't get a name but I was told he was 6'8. Possibly McGrew? If so that would be a huge loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 01, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on August 01, 2008, 10:26:22 AM
I'd be very surprised if that was the case for Scranton. Coming off another NCAA year and having lost a very good senior class I would have thought this one would be at least 4 or 5 good soild players.

Supposedly there is another Catholic player transferring to Salisbury University in MD. I didn't get a name but I was told he was 6'8. Possibly McGrew? If so that would be a huge loss.


Interesting, something to watch for.........Salisbury is a lot cheaper, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 03, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Salisbury is FAR cheaper than CUA (one of the reasons CUA and GOU left the CAC for the Landmark - financially they couldn't compete with SAL and others). However, surprised if the move was made for team-reasons. I would put CUA above SAL right now (and over the last 10 years).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 03, 2008, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on August 03, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Salisbury is FAR cheaper than CUA (one of the reasons CUA and GOU left the CAC for the Landmark - financially they couldn't compete with SAL and others). However, surprised if the move was made for team-reasons. I would put CUA above SAL right now (and over the last 10 years).

Losing players should not happen to one of the two teams that are the future of the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on August 04, 2008, 05:45:17 PM
Catholic lost John Ginnity (sp?) when he transferred to Clark and still managed to win the national title, beating Clark in the Elite 8 on Clark's home floor in the process.

Kids transfer for many reasons. Not all of the kids who transfer are ... shall we say ... impact players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 04, 2008, 08:31:48 PM
CG- Do you know who it is that supposedly transfered to Salisbury? Also, do you have any news about who Catholics new recruits will be this year? Something I found interesting that I heard about CUA recently was that they continued to practice even after the game against Goucher until the last day the NCAA permits it. Could have been some valuable time and lessons learned in that stretch, I was just interested if anyone else had heard of their team doing this?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2008, 11:20:53 AM
I have heard of some coaches threatening to do it but none that actually did so, at least not all the way up through the final four.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 04:11:48 PM
I have heard of being threatened as well before, however it never came to frutition. I'm not sure if it was through the Final Four I just assumed it was 2 weeks extra or something close to that. If they practiced through the Final Four then I could see why some guys may choose to leave.

DMAC- Who is the player from Goucher that I believe is from Walbrook or Woodlawn (I know it was with a W) who sat out last year with a knee injury? I don't know if you have seen him recently but looks to be in great shape and will be one of Gouchers best players next year if not the best. He will be a real tough matchup for teams in the league next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
I don't know how long they practiced, obviously, but you are permitted to practice through the date of the championship game. (Makes sense, when you think about it.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 08:47:16 PM
Pat-Yea I never really looked into that rule. Unless I was playing in the championship game I wouldnt be to happy still practicing and from what I have heard doesnt seem like the CUA players were either.

In addition to Jones leaving for Juniata, I have heard that McGrew transfered to Salisbury Univ, Wes Parker to the Univ. of MD where I suppose he could potentially walk on (he is better then the one walk on I know there just not as tall), and Danny Quinn to D1 Towson University just down the road from Goucher where he will play basketball from what I have heard. This is a HUGE hit to CUA. At times last year this was 3/5 of their starting lineup. I had thought going into this season that CUA would be the favorite, but now with these defections I feel it may be difficult for them to even make the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 05, 2008, 08:59:07 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on August 05, 2008, 08:47:16 PM
Pat-Yea I never really looked into that rule. Unless I was playing in the championship game I wouldnt be to happy still practicing and from what I have heard doesnt seem like the CUA players were either.

In addition to Jones leaving for Juniata, I have heard that McGrew transfered to Salisbury Univ, Wes Parker to the Univ. of MD where I suppose he could potentially walk on (he is better then the one walk on I know there just not as tall), and Danny Quinn to D1 Towson University just down the road from Goucher where he will play basketball from what I have heard. This is a HUGE hit to CUA. At times last year this was 3/5 of their starting lineup. I had thought going into this season that CUA would be the favorite, but now with these defections I feel it may be difficult for them to even make the conference tournament.


Some breaking news on the Landmark on a hot summer nite. Bball you have a source for all of this info?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 10:32:49 PM
I had the opportunity to talk to a player on their team tonight which is where my news is coming from, so unless he was just pulling my leg I would assume this to be pretty factual information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 07, 2008, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on August 05, 2008, 04:11:48 PM
DMAC- Who is the player from Goucher that I believe is from Walbrook or Woodlawn (I know it was with a W) who sat out last year with a knee injury? I don't know if you have seen him recently but looks to be in great shape and will be one of Gouchers best players next year if not the best. He will be a real tough matchup for teams in the league next year.
I am blanking at this point... but that is mainly because I haven't been on the Goucher campus in a few months (it has been a very busy summer!). I think I know who you are refering to, but until I am for sure I am not going to speculate. Give me a bit to get back to you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 31, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on June 27, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
Don't think Majors will be back at SU next year I think he transferred to Millersville.

Actually, he's back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 31, 2008, 11:05:27 PM
My mistake then. Buddy of mine said he talked to him at a summer league game and he was with the Millersville team and said he would not be going back to SU and was transferring to Mville. That defn helps SU out.

DMAC- The player I was talking about from before's name is Reggie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 17, 2008, 11:34:21 AM
Recruits/Transfers/Scholarships revoked/anything? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on October 08, 2008, 10:36:41 PM
I read that there is a new coach at Drew:

http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/1c7c34138b/drew-hires-head-coach/

What happened to Coach Townes???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 08, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
Just a hunch...new A.D....new people loyal to him. Happens all the time. Sometimes the right move...sometimes a horrible decision. As they say, the proof will be in the results. The flip side is should the AD get a little power hungry & bring in all new coaches one by one & they just don't get it done...guess who's the next person shown the door. Coach Townes knew the game...just didn't have the greatest talent to work with most of the time. You can go back the last two coaches prior to Coach Townes...winning percentage well below .500 & that covers about 20 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 09, 2008, 10:44:51 PM
I have yet to wander over here since registering on these boards recently, but I worked for the program at Wilkes each of the last four seasons during my undergrad days. I remember Coach Keckler well from our scrimmages with Gettysburg over the last two seasons- a young and energetic guy who will do well at Drew hopefully. On the same toke, Coach Townes was a very nice person to deal with and did indeed do well with what he had to work with- best wishes to him with whatever he chooses to pursue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 13, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
I hear that Canio will be making yet another return to the Scranton sidelines this season. Since the Royals lost 9 overall games last year & 6 of them were decided by less than 10 points...I guess the feeling is a little more emphasis on D may have made a huge difference. In addition, Scranton won the Landmark with 5 losses & certainly at least 4 of them could have been won with a bit more attention on the defensive end. To say the least...the defensive effort last season was certainly lacking. Two buzzer beating losses to MMA, a non second half effort vs. Susquehanna  & in their first Landmark Conference game against Moravian they simply had no clue...and two of their conference losses were at home.Then there was their first round NCAA game vs. Elms...again no idea regarding adjustments and another one & out demolition. Canio's return will be huge from getting a fairly talented group ready to play D and make in-game adjustments...big question is who runs the point and who fills the huge void left by the graduation of Tom Bicknell? Word has it that a former Royal is returning but, other than that...not much coming out of Royalville camp. Some nice talent returning...just not much info on who may have come in. This is also a pivotal year to bring in a good group of freshmen since a number of starters will graduate this year. Not sure of the secrecy...I guess we'll see soon enough though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 13, 2008, 10:57:42 PM
Saratoga,
   The men did announce 2 newcomers- a point guard  and a 6' 7" center, both from Philly suburbs(May 23 announcement). 
    As for the point, none of the returnees have shown that he is the choice. Zach is better as a 2 than a 1.
   Hopefully, Canio can continue to make a difference, defensively. He and I go back a long ways to pickup ball in the Prep schoolyard. The loss to Elms wasn't due to the defense, however. They got worn out working against the Elms pressure defense so that they did little offensively the last 10 minutes.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 14, 2008, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 13, 2008, 10:57:42 PM
They got worn out working against the Elms pressure defense so that they did little offensively the last 10 minutes.   

Maybe if Scranton recruited true position players instead of all these "combo" players, you wouldn't come on here and post a weak excuse?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 14, 2008, 01:39:13 PM
  Not an excuse-just the reality of the opponent. There's little  prep in Landmark or Freedom competition for the intensity and skill of NCAA level play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 14, 2008, 02:52:36 PM
Ronk: Yes, I saw the release about the two freshmen coming in back in May. However, I'm a bit surprised about the silence on other recruits...unless of course, there are no more. I realize Scranton is probably counting red-shirt freshmen Ivan Bogavich & Luke Hawk in this class...I just don't see where the primary needs have been met ie. post player who can score & rebound & point. I'm pretty sure a junior will have the inside track on the point...just not sold on his overall game. Tends to make unnecessary & careless passes, is not that quick... as in leading a fast break & has a tendency to pick up the dribble which leads to double teams and turnovers. I do know the Royals did not get either one of two outstanding players from Scranton Prep which has to hurt. One is headed to Ithaca & the other to Rochester.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 14, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
Saratoga,

Who were the players from Prep? As a local whose senior basketball season was not too long ago, I try to keep an eye on talent in the area, but I don't remember seeing anything on any players from Prep going to the schools you mentioned. Thanks for the info though.

On a related note, having also worked for the Colonels football program, I can tell you that Rochester is one of the few D3 schools to have established a strong recruting base here in NEPA- they have several players from Prep and other local schools on their football roster, so I am not suprised if that carries over to the basketball program
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 15, 2008, 10:55:03 AM
Chris Dende is headed to the UofR & Matt FitzPatrick is from what I've been told, going to Ithaca. I was told this back in the summer so I'm not sure if anyone changed their minds since then. In the case of the latter player, his cousin is a senior starter for the Royals so this comes as a bit of a surprise. Both players are very good & led Scranton Prep to a Pennsylvania AAA Final Four this past season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 15, 2008, 12:27:45 PM
Looking forward to the Royals roster which should coincide with the University's new athletics website.


In other news:

Former Juniata Basketball Standout To Play Professionally
HUNTINGDON, Pa. - Former Juniata College forward Brian Cannon '08 (Fallston, Md./Fallston) returns to the basketball court this week, but his chances of winning aren't great. He's playing for a team whose own website touts the fact it has won just one game, while losing... maybe thousands.

Cannon will be playing for the Washington Generals, touring opponent of the Harlem Globetrotters, when the Globetrotters open an international tour on this week in Tel Aviv, Israel.

The tour will take Cannon to Israel, Turkey, Bosnia, and Romania over the next month, before he returns home in early November.

"I know he's excited about it," said Generals general manager John Ferrari, who signed Cannon.

"Brian is exactly the type of player I'm looking for - he's fundamentally sound and he was well coached in college," said Ferrari. "I love D-III guys; they're doing something they've been doing since they have been five or six years old, and they want to keep doing it. This is a great fit for the young man."

Cannon completed his Juniata career with 1,391 points and 579 career rebounds, becoming just the fifth player in program history to finish with both 1,000 points and 500 boards. He tallied 521 points during his senior campaign, good enough to place third among Juniata's single season scoring leaders.

"It's nice to see someone rewarded for the efforts they put into our program," said Juniata head coach Greg Curley, who recruited and coached Cannon for all four years at Juniata.

"For all of us that do this, all of us who are basketball guys, you probably dream of the opportunity to play professionally at some level, and the opportunity to do this is unique in itself - the experience he's going to have touring throughout the country and around the world. He had other opportunities to pursue on a professional level, but I think this one, for him coming out of college and the experience it would give him, is without question the best," said Curley.

Cannon earned First team All-Landmark Conference honors, and was a Second team All-Region selection by d3hoops.com. He led the Eagles to back-to-back appearances in conference championship games - first in the Commonwealth Conference in 2006, then in the Landmark Conference in 2007 - and a pair of ECAC Division III South Region Championship appearances.

While Cannon was used almost exclusively a post player during his Juniata career due to his size, Ferrari sees him in a different role with the Generals.

"He's a big body, but I've got a lot of bigger bodies on the roster so I'm going to use him in a variety of positions," said Ferrari. "I told him I wanted him to shoot more, and his eyes lit up. So I'm going to use him as a swing man, probably a '3' (small forward) or a '4' (power forward)."

The Washington Generals, owned by Philadelphia native Louis "Red" Klotz, have been the tour opponent of the Globetrotters since 1953, although they have played under a variety of names at times in their history. During the 1971-72 season, the Generals played as the Boston Shamrocks, the New Jersey Reds, the Baltimore Rockets, and the Atlantic City Seagulls, before adopting the moniker "New York Nationals" from 1995 to 2007.

It was as the New Jersey Reds that the team had its last win over the Globetrotters, a 100-99 win in 1971 in Martin, Tenn., which ended the Globetrotters' 2,495-game winning streak.

The Generals and the Globetrotters touring teams will begin a U.S. tour in mid-December, which includes stops in Pittsburgh at Mellon Arena on December 26, 2008, and Lewisburg, Pa., on February 8, 2009.

"I'm just really excited and happy for Brian," said Curley. "He's a guy who had a terrific career and gave our program a lot, and the fact that maybe his experience here helps him get somewhere he wants to go, or adds to the rest of his life is fantastic."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2008, 02:01:04 PM
2008-09 Small College Hoops Preseason Poll

1. Washington U. (MO)
2. Wisconsin-Whitewater
3. Capital
4. Ursinus
5. Randolph-Macon
6. Augustana
7. Widener
8. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
9. Wheaton (IL)
10. UMass. Dartmouth
11. Mary Hardin-Baylor
12. Buena Vista
13. Amherst
14. Gettysburg
15. Wooster
16. St. Thomas
17. Centre
18. Scranton
19. Lawrence
20. Puget Sound
21. Brandeis
22. Virginia Wesleyan
23. Salem St.
24. Cortland
25. Albion



Title: Scrimmages?
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2008, 01:23:15 PM
So no one is scrimmaging this weekend?? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 01:36:08 PM
All boards are dead at this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2008, 09:35:49 AM
Goucher scrimmaged its Alumni last night and it w as a pretty competitive game. Goucher has certainly improved over last year and has a bit more depth that can contribute off the bench than in years past.

There are a couple of freshmen on the team who will be contributing from game one this season. I haven't seen a Gopher squad as athletic or on the right page in a number of years. That being said, they look like a small team then they will face in the conference. However, that might not be a big problem.

At one point last night the Alumni had Pretz Durgovic and Garritt Smith on the floor at the same time - two of the bigger and talented players Goucher has ever had inside. I immediately thought, oh boy... the Gophers are in trouble with this lineup. Trevino immediately countered with a small lineup - taking out his tallest player on the court at the time (Ryan Comstock)... and it actually worked. Granted, the alumni aren't in the same shape - though Pretz looked like if he a few weeks of two-a-days he would be just as dangerous as he was in the late '90s. However, the adjustment worked to the benefit of the Gophers.

Now... the game was at least a 20 points spread at several times in the 2nd half, but the alumni kept chipping into it and with less than a minute they where within 6. The reason? The young Gophers started making mental erros and probably thought they had put the very talented alumni team away. They need to finish games this season. Goucher has the ability to win a lot of games this season, but they have to finish games, not make mental mistakes especially in the 2nd half, and stay aggressive. We shall see.

By the way for some of you who remember, here were some of the alumni playing in the game:
Pretz Durcovic
Garritt Smith
Pierre Jones
Clay Nunley
Jonathan Garritt
James Russo
Layfatte Melton
Logan Herring
Tim Merritt
Tony Posterero
Damian Pitts
... and many others. And Bernard Threat, Vince Williams, and Bakari Ward were in attendance, but not playing. Not a bad collection of talent who played very well - almost like they hadn't been off the court for years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2008, 12:36:08 PM
So Catholic had an exhibition game against D1 Loyola, and Goucher scrimmaged their old guys?  HA!

Of course, I think Goucher is actually pretty well positioned in the league this year and should be a strong contender.    The Cardinals have just lost so much...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 09, 2008, 03:50:24 PM
Just wondering...does the Landmark have a pre-season luncheon where the coaches go out on a limb and pick the potential order of finish like so many other conferences? It just seems very dead from the perspective of news filtering out of HQ. just one week before tipoff.  Matt: what has Catholic "lost"? From what I remember, they were a pretty young team last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2008, 07:33:33 PM
Saratoga,
  Yes, CUA was all underclassmen, but Matt may be referring to the 4 xfers mentioned by bballfan10 on 5 Aug; don't know how many materialized because none of Juniata,Salisbury or CUA have updated their rosters for this year, but Quinn doesn't show on Towson's roster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2008, 07:43:10 PM
Yes, several Catholic players transfered--three promising freshman and Quinn.

I'm not going to get into details, but my understanding is that none of them were for basketball reasons, and I don't believe that all of them will continue to play basketball, though I know at least one will.

Its a shame because Catholic would have had a very talented nucleus of young players, and this does set them back once again.  They have another big class of freshmen, but like last year, there will be a learning curve I'm sure. 

ROY of the Jason Banzhof was not one of the players that transfered, though--he will be back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
Thanks Ronk & Matt...losing good young kids you've already invested at least one year with has to get old. However, such is the beast called D-III athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MACfan08 on November 10, 2008, 11:41:31 AM
Well Scranton to be ranked in the top 25 preseason is a very bold call. I watched them scrimmage kings this weekend who lost 95% of their scoring graduated 8 srs and came into scranton with 8 freshman on the team which 2 of them start and the first guy off the bench was a freshman as well.  Kings who i was told got blown out of the gym by bloomsburg the week before only lost to scranton by 4 or 5.  Kings out played them and the only reason they lost was because they could not execute at the end of the game which is expected from a young team.  Scranton is going to have some questions marks that people may want to realize.  They looked very suspect at the point guard spot.  Two different kids were bringing the ball up and neither did a great job.  Starting their offense from about ten feet behind the three point line and not really getting out on the break.  I hope they turn it around because they have a very sr dominated team and have the talent to be good but they needed to take a young very raw team in kings and blow them out of the gym it should not have been a close scrimmage at all and in the end kings had a chance to win. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
MACfan08...thanks for the update & it sounds just about as expected. If Scranton could not win even one NCAA game with last seasons team, it may be next to impossible with this one. Last year they had a true point & 4 year starter & one of the best, if not the best post players in the Landmark & they barely got in the Landmark playoffs to start with & even though they won it...there were times during the season the Royals looked like they never played the game before. Then, just like 2 seasons before that...they were blown out in a 1st. round game. This year, with no true point & no serious post presence, I question how far they can really go. I see a team of perimiter shooters firing up at will & nobody that will be effective at clearing the boards for 40 minutes for second chance shots. I also think they are subject to the press & double teams and there really isn't any team speed that will hurt teams running up & down on them. Naturally, when they are on they can shoot the lights out...but, just like their NCAA game vs. Elms...a quick & somewhat physical team just isn't going to give them anything. Too bad they never played a Princeton style offense as that is how this group of kids could drive more talented teams crazy. Back door cut after back door cut with kick outs to their 3 point shooters & giving the few you have that will hit the boards this year a chance to get in position for second chance shots & resets. One big differnce this year will be the addition of Canio back running the D...so that is a very big plus...just not sold on how far this team can go even with his help. Not having a true point or running the point by committee is a proven recipe for disaster in just about any league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 10, 2008, 08:40:03 PM
Saratoga-

I agree with the lack of a post presence. Not sure why a replacement for Bicknell wasn't recruited, when you essentially had two years to do it. It will be interesting to see who leads the Royals in rebounding this year. I do think you will see a lot more cuts and slashing to the basket this year.


As far as the point, wasn't Ashworth a point guard in high school? I believe it is his job to lose this year. Let's see what happens. I think the Royals are in better shape at the point than in the post. While I appreciate Macfan's recap it  sounds like he writes for the King's newspaper. I am going to reserve judgement until after the tip off tourny this weekend. Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 11, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
I must be crazy because I think Scranton has one of the top two teams in the league going into this year and another legit shot at the NCAA. IMHO Ashworth and Biagioli will be 2 of the best players in the league and certainly All Conference players, Hawk is a skilled big who plays good defense and is an above average rebounder, and Fitzpatrick is lights out. With regards to the rebounding the team has 8 players listed at 6'6 or taller I am sure at least 1 or 2 of these guys can go in there and do the job. Of these 8 players 5 of them are either Freshman or Sophomores so we havent had the opportunity to see what they could do yet. In addition to this I thought I read that Luke Hawk was a stud (granted that was before injury so who knows what kind of player he is now).

I am by no means a Scranton follower or that knowledgeable about the players on the team because I have only seen them in person a few times so I may be making some judgements that are out of line but I would like to hear a more in depth analysis of the team from someone who has a little more knowledge of them then myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
bballfan10:  Don't get me wrong...Scranton will be pretty good, it's just that I seriously doubt they are that much better this year when they lost their point & the best big man in the league. The fact is, they couldn't even get one win in the NCAA's with those guys so I do question where the assists & rebounds will be coming from this season.   There is no question that Zach Ashworth can get the job done at the point...the problem is at this level his true position is the 2 guard. He is constant motion and works as hard as anyone to come off screens & nail jumper after jumper & just when you come out after him, he'll blow by his man for a layup. By him running the show, much of his own personal strengths are taken away.  As for rebounds...last year Tom Bicknell averaged 11.5 per game...nobody else on the Royals was even a close second. You have to drop all the way down to Paul Hawk at 4.5 for the next in line & Biagioli was 3rd. at 3.5. Hence, my concern. Just because a particular team has some size in no way equates into an automatic post presence. Paul has never enjoyed playing down low as his game has always been outside. Obviously, when Scranton can create some mismatches they'll try and get him down low but, his game usually does not flourish on the blocks.  As for Biagioli, he can certainly bang with the best but again, he is more of a wing player who'll slash to the hoop not live down there. Another thing with Paul...he led Scranton in fouling out last year & does tend to pick up silly fouls...therefore, put him down low & out of his natural position & he may not average 16 minutes per game & now you lose his creativity with the ball.  I think Scranton's lack of ability to bring in big kids & a point over the last two years that are game ready when they knew this day was near will hurt them dearly if not this year, then most certainly next.   One thing going for the Royals is Canio will certainly improve the perimeter defense which was lacking much of last year & if the guys box out then maybe 4 or 5 guys can average decent rebound numbers that will help pick up Tom's departed stats. The hopes are high...let's wish for the best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 11, 2008, 06:22:52 PM
Preseason poll came out today

1. Scranton
2. USMM
3. Susq
4. CUA
5. JC
6. GC
7. MC
8. Drew

Toga- I didn't mean to come off as saying that because they have size they will have a rebounder, I was trying to make the point they have options I didn't mean to sound stupid there. With regards to Bicknell and his great rebounding numbers it certainly benefited him that he never had to guard the other teams best post player where as Hawk, Biagioli, and Fuller all had that distinction. Instead of being out of rebounding position and picking up fouls guarding the other teams best big he had the luxury of letting the other guys do that for him while he was allowed to focus on rebounding ( this also contributing to the others high foul numbers i.e. Hawk). Also contributing to Hawks low minutes per game I believe he had an injury that limited him in a few games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2008, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on November 11, 2008, 06:22:52 PM
Preseason poll came out today

1. Scranton
2. USMM
3. Susq
4. CUA
5. JC
6. GC
7. MC
8. Drew


USMM returns all their starters and beat Scranton twice. Moravian must have lost a ton...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 12, 2008, 12:13:27 AM
I think USMMA will be the other top team in the league and I believe they have the most valuable player in the league in Samuels. Right now I would pick him as my favorite for POY as long as the Merch Marines play to their capabilities.

With regards to Moravian they lose their top 4 PPG, RBG, and MPG guys as well as Siracusa and Bays. They do return Weaver and Young but the team is very young and has only one Senior in Dave Bowden who missed all of last year with an injury. Could be a difficult year for them.

Think the wild card teams will defn be the 3-6 teams. All of these teams suffered significant losses but all return a number of talented players as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 13, 2008, 02:30:10 PM
With Scranton no longer coming to the Marts Center, I only saw the Royals once last season, in the matinee special vs. Hartwick. From what I know of the players returning the Royals still have a greta deal of talent and I would imagine they will be right in the mixfor the conference title. In terms of the point, it was always my understanding that O'Connell was recruited as the heir apparent to Arnold, but you guys know the deal better than I do for sure.

Looking at Bicknell and the rebounding, his abilities and contributions are something that isn't exactly replaced by just plugging one guy into the mix. Rather, I look at such a situation and enjoy seeing how the coaching staff adjusts to compensate for the lost production. It may take two or three guys in different roles to get the job done on the boards, so keep a eye out as to who is getitng the job done on that end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2008, 07:45:24 AM
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2008, 10:06:38 AM
No Season Previews in the local papers?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2008, 12:33:33 PM
NEPAFAN: Season previews? In the local papers? That's a good one...they don't even know the Royals & Lady Royals exist until the playoffs roll around. I remember two years ago when the Lady Royals were in Springfield at the Final Four...the Scranton Times had their "beat reporter" up there writing all this wonderful stuff about the program, the players, the coaches & the fans like he knew what he was even writing about. In reality, prior to that weekend, he couldn't tell you who Taryn Mellody was in a lineup of only 3 players. On the other hand, if you want to read about some washed up hockey player in his 29th. AHL season...they'll print his glorious life history every day for a month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 14, 2008, 12:33:33 PM
NEPAFAN: Season previews? In the local papers? That's a good one...they don't even know the Royals & Lady Royals exist until the playoffs roll around. I remember two years ago when the Lady Royals were in Springfield at the Final Four...the Scranton Times had their "beat reporter" up there writing all this wonderful stuff about the program, the players, the coaches & the fans like he knew what he was even writing about. In reality, prior to that weekend, he couldn't tell you who Taryn Mellody was in a lineup of only 3 players. On the other hand, if you want to read about some washed up hockey player in his 29th. AHL season...they'll print his glorious life history every day for a month.


I remember last year a fairly detailed write up on the transition to the Landmark Conference, I believe there were at least two articles.  I guess that was a one time thing?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2008, 01:12:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2008, 07:45:24 AM
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?

NCAA has a two-year waiting period on new conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 15, 2008, 07:25:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2008, 01:12:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2008, 07:45:24 AM
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?
NCAA has a two-year waiting period on new conferences.

Pat, it's not that you were able to answer the question.
It's that you were able to answer it, succinctly, at 1:22 AM.
Bravo...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 16, 2008, 03:06:38 AM
Catholic over Adrian 80-78
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 16, 2008, 06:38:21 PM
Saratoga,

In case you missed it, the Scranton Times-Tribune ran a decent season preview on Saturday. Still not quite as comprehensive as it should be- as none of the teams covered got a good deal of info in- but better than nothing. Sadly, the days of the local papers giving priority to the local D3 schools is far gone, but cheers for the occasional good write-up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 16, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
Gman-WU...yes, I did see the attempt at a local synopsis. As you indicate...not quite as comprehensive as it should be...but, better than the usual nothing. Chances are we'll see nothing but 2 sentence write ups from this point till early Feburary & then, should either Royals team start playoff action...there may be an actual sighting of a reporter or a facsimile thereof. It wasn't that long ago that the Royals AND Lady Royals had their own assigned reporters covering each & every game...now JV high school ball gets as much coverage. Congrats to the Royals for winning the Championship of the Lycoming Tourney...Zach Ashworth...MVP. If it wasn't for the Scranton SID Dept. giving the actual writeup to the paper...they'd have no clue whatsoever. Can't wait to see tomorrows writeup!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 17, 2008, 01:14:01 AM
Catholic blew out Saint Joseph's of Brooklyn today 88-43 to win the Mount Aloy. tournament in PA.  Cardinals were led by Jason Banzhof's 18 points.  I believe he had 28 in the opening round win.

Nice way to start the season.  Catholic's first home game is Wed. against Washington and Lee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2008, 02:41:42 PM
Susquehanna beat Neumann, 59-57, for the White Rose City Classic Championship this weekend. They beat Misericordia in the opener, 76-67.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2008, 10:50:24 AM
According to Scranton's really old and slow website:

http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/mens_basketball.html


Tonight's game at Cabrini will be on Video, Radio, and Live Stats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 19, 2008, 01:49:46 PM
I thought I heard Scranton was getting a new website? Not yet? I agree, that old one is bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
NEPAFAN & The Grove: You are so right about Scranton's antiquated web site. I swear that is the poster child for the Slowski turtles. The sad part is their Athletic Dept. has been stating that they are in the process of "redesigning" that site since mid September. They've already lost all their fall sports and are now into the second week of the basketball season with no visable upgrade. Their delay in improving the site is an embarrassment to the university and beyond unfortunate for all the fall student athletes that have missed out. Perhaps the next time this administration proposes an "upgrade"...they may want to start in June so it will be functional when school starts. I mean Al-Qaida web sites are up & running in no time after they've been hacked & infected with state of the art virus implants from the C.I.A. yet the powers that be in the Long Center appear to be in no apparent hurry to enter the 21st. century.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2008, 09:06:45 PM
The young Cardinals are off to a 3-0 start with a 80-68 win over Washington and Lee tonight.  Details to come.

Catholic takes on Stevenson Saturday night at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2008, 09:16:34 PM
   Good news and bad news about the Royals 81-64 loss to Cabrini tonite.
  The good : the video and play-by-play was excellent.
  The bad : 12 Royal turnovers(8 steals) in first half in turning a 16 -7 lead into a 40-34 halftime deficit against an ordinary opponent. PG remains a weakness and no defensive stopper; they are mobile enough to block shots and did limit Cabrini to one shot for the 1st 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 09:36:23 PM
In a game that was seemingly reminiscent of last years NCAA game I thumping by Elms...Scranton gets crushed at Cabrini. Looks like another typical Scranton season we've become accustomed to over the last 6 or 7 years...beat up on the weak, play about .500 against similar teams in terms of talent & get totally lost rather quickly against teams that are physical & quick. No inside defense whatsoever & Cabrini scores at will. As many have said...let Scranton get set & shoot & they can be lights out... play them physically & have a little speed to go with some banging & they are in for a long night. Looks like another season that will end early when you arn't even somewhat competitive against a team such as the Cavaliers. Not a knock on them at all as they've already picked up wins against the supposed top 2 teams from the Landmark...just that they were not the # 5 team in the country the last time I checked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2008, 10:15:38 PM
Really suprised by the score.   Always looking for Cavaliers to win (as they use to regularly back in my day).  Is Cabrini that much better this year or is it a down year for the supposed top two teams in the Landmark?  I am hoping for the former as a Cavs fan.   I know....it's still early. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 10:42:10 PM

mailsy: Congrats to your kids & coaching staff. I've seen Cabrini the last few games vs. Scranton & although they had apparent talent...they usually seemed to just go through the motions & not really even play that hard. This is obviously a new year, a new coach & certainly a new attitude on the court. Totally outhustled the Royals & with the obvious advantage in raw talent, it was goodnight Royals after a timeout and some nice adjustments. Seems your new coach has them all playing on the same page. & that should bode well for them as the season progresses. Best of luck the rest of the year.







Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 10:42:10 PM

mailsy: Congrats to your kids & coaching staff. I've seen Cabrini the last few games vs. Scranton & although they had apparent talent...they usually seemed to just go through the motions & not really even play that hard. This is obviously a new year, a new coach & certainly a new attitude on the court. Totally outhustled the Royals & with the obvious advantage in raw talent, it was goodnight Royals after a timeout and some nice adjustments. Seems your new coach has them all playing on the same page. & that should bode well for them as the season progresses. Best of luck the rest of the year.

Thanks Saratoga.  Hopefully we'll have a lot of smiling faces after each game.  :)  It's a whole new regime from top to bottom at the college.  A lot of bad memories over the last few years.  Hopefully, this is the start of a new successful era of Cabrini basketball.   8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2008, 07:43:34 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 09:36:23 PM
In a game that was seemingly reminiscent of last years NCAA game I thumping by Elms...Scranton gets crushed at Cabrini. Looks like another typical Scranton season we've become accustomed to over the last 6 or 7 years...beat up on the weak, play about .500 against similar teams in terms of talent & get totally lost rather quickly against teams that are physical & quick. No inside defense whatsoever & Cabrini scores at will. As many have said...let Scranton get set & shoot & they can be lights out... play them physically & have a little speed to go with some banging & they are in for a long night. Looks like another season that will end early when you arn't even somewhat competitive against a team such as the Cavaliers. Not a knock on them at all as they've already picked up wins against the supposed top 2 teams from the Landmark...just that they were not the # 5 team in the country the last time I checked.


Geez can we not write off the season just yet? I agree a that the turnovers and shooting were horrendous, but you are going to have these types of games during the course of the season. Also saw that Paul Hawk was T'd up and tossed with about 5 minutes remaining. Team has to forget about last night and regroup because a tough Ramapo team is coming to the Long Center on Saturday.

Where is Bogovich? I heard he has some talent...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2008, 01:56:22 PM
Toga,


By the way ...do you want to take bets as to when the new Scranton website will be launched? I will say sometime in January 2009....if we are lucky.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2008, 03:55:04 PM
NEPAFAN: Let's see...the Scranton Athletic Dept. has been touting this "new"  & "improved" web site since mid-Sept. & we've yet to see anything except a collection of uninspiring action photos & a plea for patience. Although one would think that the braintrust in their AD would have had the foresight to anticipate potential delays & start this process in a timely fashion so it would be up & running with the start of the FALL semester...but, I'm sure the AD has a perfectly good reason to be 3 months & counting behind. Therefore, your estimate of "sometime in Jan. 09'" is probably right on the money. My guess is we will see a plea from the AD & his dept. to leave spare change at the hot dog stand so he can come up with the funds necessary to complete payment to the 4 computer software grad. students so they'll finish their senior thesis project ie. The New Scranton Web Site. As for the game itself...I'm thinking a repeat of the Cabrini debacle as Ramapo is very similar...quick, quicker & board crashers. They are averaging 50 rebounds per game...many offensive putbacks have led to numerous second chance points. The holes in Scranton's game were fully exploited by Cabrini...let's see what adjustments have been made to offset Ramapo's strengths.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 21, 2008, 04:52:02 PM
To be fair, I've worked on a few site redesigns now, and it ALWAYS takes longer than anticipated. There is a ton of work to do on the back end, and it's hard to get done in addition to multiple other duties. If you can have someone(s) dedicated only to a redesign, more power to ya.

The best thing to do is not to announce a launch date til you're almost ready to launch!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 21, 2008, 09:49:56 PM
Day 1 of the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tournament at Susquehanna:

King's 64, SUNY Morrisville 47
Susquehanna 70, Penn College 61
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


Scranton 73
Ramapo 49


Paul Hawk with 7 blocks. Nice turnaround from the disaster at Cabrini.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


It is real. Not sure where the "Casanova" nick came from though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2008, 11:12:16 PM
Nice job regrouping today by the Royals. The first half was close because Ramapo simply scored pretty easily inside & got far too many second & third attempts. Nice adjustment by the Royals starting the second half packing it down deep & forcing them to hit from the outside...which they never did. At that point Scranton was able to compete underneath & Paul Hawk...as NEPAFAN stated, established himself in the paint & took it right to them with block after block. Ramapo has some athletes & they do well from within 6 feet of the basket...push them outside of that comfort zone...which the Royals did in the 2nd. half, & their weakness was most certainly exposed. Good win...arn't they all though?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 23, 2008, 01:24:13 AM
Catholic improved to 82-62 with a win over Stevenson (Villa Julie to the rest of us) at home.  This game was really never close, as the Cardinals pulled away early and coasted.

Former head coach Mike Lonergan--fresh off a tough OT loss to Maryland--was in the house, along with his family.

Its early, but I was impressed by the intensity of Catholic.  The personality of this team is MUCH different than last years.  Last year's team probably had more talent, but you know what?  This looks like a better team and a more cohesive and complimentary roster.  Sometimes you get an addition by subtraction type of situation. 

Catholic is lacking size, and that's the one thing that Stevenson wasn't lacking, but rebounding was even.  Breakout game for Matt Fazzini (22) points, and another 20+ game for Jason Banzhof--is anybody paying attention to what this kid is doing every time out?  Its unreal.  He's averaging 21.3 and shooting 65 percent.

Guard play is much improved, particularly RJ Dixon.

Obviously lots of freshman in the mix.  Some tough kids in that group.

Should be interesting.  Catholic has Haverford on the road before a tournament at Carneige Mellon and then an intriguing league game at Goucher.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 24, 2008, 12:42:17 AM
Matt,
  While at Dickinson for the Lady Royals game in their tournament Saturday, I saw the rosters for the men's side which included Salisbury and Chris McGrew along with assistant coach Mike Wasilenko.
   Hope u meet Carnegie Mellon in their tournament so we can get a line on the Landmark vs. UAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 24, 2008, 12:36:18 PM
I knew McGrew was down there, but I didn't know Was was on the coaching staff.  Good for him, he was a good guy and I'm glad he got a shot someplace.

It will be interesting to see how McGrew develops. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Phillystreetster on November 24, 2008, 01:01:26 PM
What day of the week do the d3hoops rankings come out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2008, 02:57:01 PM
Quote from: Phillystreetster on November 24, 2008, 01:01:26 PM
What day of the week do the d3hoops rankings come out?

The top 25 rankings usually come out on Tuedays.  (You can look up top 25 rankings on the front page.  If you look a little you could find the explanation.)  But Pat Coleman said in another thread there will be no rankings this week. Hope that helps.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 24, 2008, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


It is real. Not sure where the "Casanova" nick came from though.

To answer my own question... I just found out today that his middle name is Casanova. It's not just a nickname. His parents have quite the sense of humor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2008, 09:57:17 PM
Scranton loses to Misercordia, they are see-sawing sandwiching two loses in between a great win vs. Ramapo.


Happy Thanksgiving to All , Enjoy the food and football!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 26, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed. I had the opportunity to take in the Salisbury at Goucher game tonight which going into I thought the Gophers would win going away, however that did not prove to be the case. Couple of random thoughts

-The Gophers are pretty athletic, but very undisciplined and lack any true post players (if you thought they were small last year wait till u see them this year)
-I thought certain players got lost on the bench. Dada and Cotton are two of their best players and although they didn't have their best game and were in foul trouble, should have been on the floor
-Bailey who started for them last year, and was a solid player from what I saw barely played tonight which left me somewhat miffed
-They play a lot of freshman. Two fresh start and two others were in the rotation. Along with them Desouza and Cotton both sophomores play so overall a lot of youth
- Negron had a good game shame he was in foul trouble early
-Freshman Perry shoots to much. I never saw a shot I didn't like, but this guy made me even feel good about some of the shots I used to take. Says he only took 13 shots and had 4 tos but those numbers have to be generous

D-Mac would be interested to hear your thoughts on the game. I think you were the announcer for the game and if you were kudos to you, you were on top of everything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 26, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
Kudos to the Royals faithful for a very good win over Ramapo. However, in other recent developments........

The new boys to the MAC Freedom (who are VERY happy to be in the league, I should add) send the Royals (whose administration, as we all know, thought they were a cut above the MAC) back to the Landmark with an "L" that is sure to raise some eyebrows in the administration buildings on Jefferson Avenue :o Now, I know from seeing the Cougars several times in recent years that they have a solid, well-coached group, and could probably pound on some of the bottom-tier Landmark teams a bit. 

But for those of you who just go on name recognition (and probably still think of the school as "College Misericordia") I should ask...how bad do you rank this one?

Say, perhaps, with the Marywood loss from five or six seasons ago ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2008, 12:38:41 AM
G-manWU,
   No, it doesn't compare-Miseri has a pretty decent team now. The loss that did compare was the 1st loss to Miseri-the same year that they lost to Marywood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2008, 12:39:16 AM
G-manWU: How I feel about the Miseri debacle is noted in my post of approx. 3:30 Wed's. under the thread Landmark. Didn't mean to start a new one...my intention was to simply add to the existing discussion under Landmark Conference. Just messed it up. This loss was not as bad as the Marywood loss...just as unacceptable but, not quite as bad. Basically  because Miseri can play a little...Marywood was plain awful & still beat Scranton in the Long Center. Just another of the many games the Royals played like they had never prepared for. It certainly seems like Scranton's killer instinct left when Bess hung up the Purple Tux. Pretty boring & uneventful basketball since then. I would rate this loss behind Marywood & blowing an 18 point halftime lead at Drew 3 years ago. However, it probably rates a tie with blowing a 16 point halftime lead at Desales 2 years ago that would have given the Royals first place in the conference. When you think about it, there have been some very serious meltdowns with the Royals the past 5-6 years & at some point you start to wonder............nah, its Thanksgiving...they were just dishing out some joy in Dallas. Yep, I'm going with that one for awhile. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 27, 2008, 02:02:06 PM
Saratoga & Ronk,

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you as well :) My post was- as always- good-natured fun, no intention to rubbish anyone or any group of people.

Indeed this season's Misericordia team is a cut above Marywood's squad from back then, and from what I remember Scranton had a depleated roster that had been caught between recruting cycles and also had some key injuries when that loss to Marywood happened. Indeed, when you look at Scranton's results from the last five or so seasons, there are a number of disappointing losses to teams that the Royals probably should have beaten. But also, don't forget that by the time postseason play rolls around, they are always in the mix for the conference title. Anytime a team manages to bring home two titles in four seasons, that is a pretty good job by the coaches and players.

Obviously no one enjoys early-season losses in the non-conference slate. But I would never count out the Royals from coking up a good season this early- there's alot of basketball  let out there, and I am sure the Long Center fans are going to enjoy some good times along the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Saratoga,


I share your frustrations with the inconsistencies of this and past Royal teams. My question for you is it A) Coaching, or B) the inability to recruit in an increasingly competitive market. I believe it is B. Years ago ( in the Bess Era) you didn't have to compete with the Miseri and the Marywood for talent. Nevertheless with the University surrounded by cheaper alternatives, I am still frustrated that Scranton has not been able to land top notch talent. Look at Jesuit John Carrol as a similar school and the recruits they are able to bring in.

I am not taking anything away from this team as is. We all know they have talent. But I heard through the grapevine that several transfers balked at the U because of the high tution prices. Coach Danzig certainly has a nitch for recruiting in the Philly burbs,  but we haven't seen him make in roads in Jersey or Long Island. Next year 5 seniors who all get minutes will graduate and after only brining in 2 kids this year, where does that leave Danzig and the Royals? My hope is that they really commit to the recruiting trail this year....with the promise of plenty of minutes....thoughts????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 28, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
NEPAFAN,

You raise an outstanding point with how competitive the recruting market is for schools in NEPA. However, please allow me to add another viewpoint to your discussion.

As a very recent graduate of another 4-year school in the area, I can very much agree about the high prices (esp. adding room and board for some students) making Scranton and others a tough sell on pure dollars. However, as far as I know, Misericordia and Marywood aren't very far behind Scranton in tuition prices. While I did not consider either of those schools for my undergrad years, I did seriously consider what we sometimes call the local "Big 3", and they were all very close in price. In addition, if you look at the rosters for any local team, you will find a handful of locals, but many out-of-towners who come through the recruting pipelines, such as Danzig's good connection with CB-West and, going back a bit further, Bess and the crew from Holy Ghost Prep.

If you asked me what is the biggest recruting obstacle facing the local D3 basketball schools in recruting, I would say it is not so much each other, but rather players who get big ideas and try to make the roster at a D1 school. Great for them if they get a free ride, but many don't and instead wind up chasing playing time that never really comes, when they could be starting and enoying themselves at a D3 school. In District 2, over the past six years or so, I can name a half-dozen guys at least who have throw away what could have been four good years of education and playing time at Scranton/WU/KC/MU for a taste of a D1 roster. Again, good for them if they get a scholarship, but what a waste if not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2008, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on November 26, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed. I had the opportunity to take in the Salisbury at Goucher game tonight which going into I thought the Gophers would win going away, however that did not prove to be the case. Couple of random thoughts

-The Gophers are pretty athletic, but very undisciplined and lack any true post players (if you thought they were small last year wait till u see them this year)
-I thought certain players got lost on the bench. Dada and Cotton are two of their best players and although they didn't have their best game and were in foul trouble, should have been on the floor
-Bailey who started for them last year, and was a solid player from what I saw barely played tonight which left me somewhat miffed
-They play a lot of freshman. Two fresh start and two others were in the rotation. Along with them Desouza and Cotton both sophomores play so overall a lot of youth
- Negron had a good game shame he was in foul trouble early
-Freshman Perry shoots to much. I never saw a shot I didn't like, but this guy made me even feel good about some of the shots I used to take. Says he only took 13 shots and had 4 tos but those numbers have to be generous

D-Mac would be interested to hear your thoughts on the game. I think you were the announcer for the game and if you were kudos to you, you were on top of everything.
Well - let me first say I am sorry it took so long to resond. It has been a very busy week and I just never got to this page - sorry!

First off, a lot of your points are good. Foul trouble hurt Goucher on Tuesday night and their inconsistent play and undisaplined ways killed them the rest of the tournament. The team is simply not playing together. However, they do have some good talent that if they can get on the same page (why, after years they haven't figured that out, I am not sure), they will be very good. But they are very much at a size disadvantage.

They certainly have had some of their better players get lost on the bench, especially on Tuesday. Bailey hasn't seemed very sure of himself this season. I think it's because of where he is coming off the bench. He certainly is a good player who seems to have his confidence shaken. He played a much better game on Sunday against Stevenson.

They are a young team which will help them in a few years, but that freshmen and sophomore playing time is hurting that team chemistry right now. Negron is about the only one who is an upper classman getting a lot of playing time - so there are some youth things to work out.

As for Micah Perry, first off let me say my thoughts are with him and his family. He was at neither game this weekend due to the death of a family member. However, your thoughts about his play on Tuesday are nice. He was horrible. He didn't see an opportunity he didn't like, but that lead into dribbling into double-teams because his head was down. He then on nearly three straight possessions, he was responsible for a turnover. In the second half, he should have been benched (IMHO), but he wasn't subbed for. I think if he had been taken out of the game, Goucher would have had a better chance.

We have certainly mentioned the problems for Goucher. Think about this: Saturday's game against Frostburg in which they lost by 8, they shot about .610 from the free throw line and .268 from the floor (15-51). They shot much better against Stevenson on Sunday, but bad decisions in the second half once again cost them the game.

BTW, I am indeed the PA at Goucher; it is a job I love and have been doing for 14 seasons now. Thanks for the props, I appreciate it. Just want to make sure you fans know what is going on!!! Next time you, or anyone else, are at the SRC, make yourself known. I love meeting other D3 fans, including D3hoops.com fans!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
Catholic had a pretty successful tournament over the weekend at Carniege Mellon in Pittsburgh.   They beat York (NY) 65-55 in the first game and then lost a close game to CMU 61-56.

I didn't make the trip but personally, I was encouraged that they hung with CMU for the entire game.  I don't think a close loss to a quality team at this stage in the season for a really young team is such a bad thing.  The Cardinals continued to get excellent play from Jason Banzhof (35 points in the two games) and RJ Dixon looks like he's still making strides.

Catholic plays Goucher Saturday night at the SRC.  That will be a really fascinating game and a good test for both teams.   On paper, they should be evenly matched.  Both Goucher and Catholic are really young.  I thought that last year, the Cardinals had a bit of a talent advantage, and I think they probably still do (at least judging by Goucher's loss to Stevenson, a team that Catholic handled with ease).  But with a young team on the road, anything can happen--although last year, Goucher actually beat Catholic in DC and lost at home.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2008, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 28, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
NEPAFAN,

You raise an outstanding point with how competitive the recruting market is for schools in NEPA. However, please allow me to add another viewpoint to your discussion.

As a very recent graduate of another 4-year school in the area, I can very much agree about the high prices (esp. adding room and board for some students) making Scranton and others a tough sell on pure dollars. However, as far as I know, Misericordia and Marywood aren't very far behind Scranton in tuition prices. While I did not consider either of those schools for my undergrad years, I did seriously consider what we sometimes call the local "Big 3", and they were all very close in price. In addition, if you look at the rosters for any local team, you will find a handful of locals, but many out-of-towners who come through the recruting pipelines, such as Danzig's good connection with CB-West and, going back a bit further, Bess and the crew from Holy Ghost Prep.

If you asked me what is the biggest recruting obstacle facing the local D3 basketball schools in recruting, I would say it is not so much each other, but rather players who get big ideas and try to make the roster at a D1 school. Great for them if they get a free ride, but many don't and instead wind up chasing playing time that never really comes, when they could be starting and enoying themselves at a D3 school. In District 2, over the past six years or so, I can name a half-dozen guys at least who have throw away what could have been four good years of education and playing time at Scranton/WU/KC/MU for a taste of a D1 roster. Again, good for them if they get a scholarship, but what a waste if not.


GU,


I did not realize that WU, Kings, MISERI and MU are all on par with Scranton as far as tution goes. I do agree with your point on the lure of D1, especially when it comes to scholarship money. I think that the PSAC (all the D2 schools) are also competition for the local schools.

My question is how does Scranton (or any school for that matter) overcome this? I think Scranton has been very "tight" with their financial aid office. Scranton (agree or disagree) is probably the most regional and well known local school and should be pulling more people in my humble opinion....and let's not get started on diversity..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 01, 2008, 07:41:20 PM
You just answered your own question.
Scranton is the most well know school in the local area and as a result can/has been able to recruit from a larger area and get more applications.  As a result, the institution isn't worried about filling beds so getting athletes isn't at the top of their list.  They get good players without lowering the cost or admissions standards so why would they hurt the schools academic profile by making exceptions for athletes.

They do cost more than the other locals which might hurt a little but the reality is that their name alone gives them advantages that other schools don't have. 

They've been to three NCAA tournaments in recent years.......thats pretty good. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
Catholic is in something of the same situation in the DC area (among D3 schools, of course).  Some of that might be true (if you want to play for a winner with tradition, Catholic is an appealing destination, with the added bonus of being in a world class city). 

But it is impossible to ignore the new realities of the economy and the financial situation that many families face.  The Catholic basketball team has already been the victim of it, and I believe many private universities in general will be struggling to attract students because of their price tags.  Parents are losing their retirement savings, and it makes it much more difficult to cut a big check for their kids college education.

It will be quite challenging for schools like Catholic and Scranton to continue to thrive in this environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2008, 10:39:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
It will be quite challenging for schools like Catholic and Scranton to continue to thrive in this environment.


I imagine it would be a challenge for all of the like minded institutions in the Landmark Conference.

Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 01, 2008, 07:41:20 PM

They've been to three NCAA tournaments in recent years.......thats pretty good. 



Yes, but as you can tell by reading these boards Scranton's 1 and done NCAA tournament appearances are not satisfying their fans...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 02, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on November 26, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed.

I'm catching up on the board and just noticed this... but not sure where you got your numbers as Susquehanna didn't even play on the 26th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on December 02, 2008, 05:53:12 PM
NEPAFAN & hoopzwiz,

In terms of cost, I believe Scranton is a bit above the other locals, but the difference is not as great as many may believe. Obviously this can differ in the case of each student, given things such as room/board, or involvement in certain academic programs that may require extra costs. But I still don't think the cost factor among local schools would be a huge difference.

In terms of the PSAC, I have never thought of any school in the league as a rival in recruting for a school like Scranton or their conference opponents, past or present. However, from my years of working with the Colonels football program, I can tell you that the PSAC teams were our number one competition for local football talent. Obviously we got some great local players in recent years, but a great deal also chose Bloom/ESU/WCU and some others over our program. There isn't much we could do in that case, and that makes those pipelines/inroads in other metro areas all the more important. We always had a good number of players from the Garden State on the roster as well, but there we face competition from the NJAC schools, so there is always another hurdle to jump over...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on December 02, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on November 26, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed.

I'm catching up on the board and just noticed this... but not sure where you got your numbers as Susquehanna didn't even play on the 26th.

My mistake must've been a little to anxious to post that night. So 6 of 8 still not a good night. Early on here it doesn't look good for many of the Landmark teams aside from Catholic and your Crusaders. Scranton has been kind of dissapointing here early on with their 2 losses but the same thing seems to happen often here as other posters have alluded to. Big game for SU vs. Misericordia tonight who just beat Scranton recently and will be a good measuring stick for SU against a quality opponent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2008, 08:52:22 PM
Looks like SU lost 67-60. Didn't start Cosgrove or Majors and Zac Smith didnt even score? Is Smith Hurt? Surprised that Majors and Cosgrove weren't starters especially after the break out game for Cosgrove. Looks like TO's killed SU and they got beat pretty good on the glass which looks more like a product of not getting the offensive rebounds they usually do. Baumunk looks like he had his way after SU shut him down in the first game of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
bballfan10,

While Smith didn't play, Majors and Cosgrove were both in the starting line-up.

Misericordia accomplished the unusual feat of avenging two non-league losses in four days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
p.s.  Thanks for showing some respect to the Cougars in your pre-game post. 

It's not embarrassing for any visitor to leave the Anderson Center with a loss. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 01:00:05 AM
As far as what is going on at Scranton & why they seem to be so inconsistant is really a flip of the coin. Some say the coach just isn't getting it done, some blame the Administration & others just say it's local parity. For what it's worth...I disagree with all three presumptions.
  Personally, I think Coach Danzig works his tail off identifying the talent he wants on his team. I think the real problem begins once that student is recruited and the numbers games begin.
  Regardless how one crunches the numbers, the fact is if you are a full-time resident student at Scranton, your parents are paying at least $43,000 per year. There is not another local school within $6,000 of that pricetag & depending on whether or not you take Intersession...you may be hit for another $2,500. It is at this point Scranton begins to lose the recruiting wars with schools like F&M, Ursinus & the Hamilton's of the world.
  Back in 1998 Scranton conducted a study which tracked the schools students were attending that had seriously considered Scranton as well as which schools those that decided on Scranton had considered. It was at this point that a trend was noticed that Scranton was no longer really in the same market for students matriculating at the more prominate NE Pa. schools with which Scranton had long been associated. A decision was made that the University should begin developing alliances with certain "other" schools that were targeting the same students and at this point the genesis was there for the now famous "like-minded" reference.
  To further elaborate that point, the following is a sample of the high schools incoming freshman & sophmore Scranton students attended. The Gunnery, Germantown Friends, The Hun School of Princeton, Fordham Prep, Wyoming Seminary, Avon Old Farms, The Shipley School, MMI Prep, The Haverford School, The Berkshire School, Episcopal Acadamy , Regis, Poly Prep & Burr & Burton Seminary to name but a few. What these schools have in common is they all cost around $30,000 per year & these kids can generally go wherever they want. My feeling is they end up going to Scranton for any number of reasons but, one very big one is that Scranton comes up with some pretty good financial aid packages for students whose parents are not really getting anything from their state or Federal grants.
  And this is precisly where Scranton loses its players. Because they do not have an endowment to match F&M or Ursinus...even though a great student that happens to play B-ball may get 10,000 off that 43,000 pricetag, Ursinus or Hamilton may have a 24,000 grant in aid waiting in the form of the George & Mary Jones endowment fund so where do you think mom & dad will be pushing junior? Scranton might be able to attract 40 qualified students from all backgrounds while many other privates with a much larger endowment base can cast a far larger net & in that net will be some pretty good ball players as well as students.
  Someone had mentioned earlier that Scranton is doing fine with enrollment etc. and they are...problem for Coach Danzig is they could really care less that the student from Episcopal Acadamy is not interested in basketball...the Administration just wants them interested in the school. And when the UofS is coming up with 9,000 in aid & Hamilton is offering 23,000...unless the circumstances are really tilted & the stars alligned...junior is headed north. Economics right now are & will continue to play a very large role in determining who goes where...especially when the school has made a decision to go in that direction for reasons other than athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 03, 2008, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
bballfan10,

While Smith didn't play, Majors and Cosgrove were both in the starting line-up.

Misericordia accomplished the unusual feat of avenging two non-league losses in four days.

Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently. I was looking at the highlighted players on the LIVE STATS that SU offers on their website. Now that I am thinking back to it perhaps it was the players who were in the game that were highlighted which would prob make more sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 03, 2008, 02:44:51 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
p.s.  Thanks for showing some respect to the Cougars in your pre-game post. 

It's not embarrassing for any visitor to leave the Anderson Center with a loss. 




NP. While I can't pretend to know much about the individuals in the conference they are in I know Misericordia was a premier team in the league last year and with the returning talent of Baumunk, Little, and Del Prete among others I would look for them to be in the hunt for a conference title and ncaa bid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 03, 2008, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on December 03, 2008, 02:33:28 AM
Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently.

Maybe you're having trouble concentrating because you're up half the night posting on this site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 03, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 03, 2008, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on December 03, 2008, 02:33:28 AM
Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently.

Maybe you're having trouble concentrating because you're up half the night posting on this site.

*snickers*

If I could, I'd give you +k for that one.  :)

PS - thanks for posting the update, I was at the campus Candlelight Service last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2008, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 01:00:05 AM
As far as what is going on at Scranton & why they seem to be so inconsistant is really a flip of the coin. Some say the coach just isn't getting it done, some blame the Administration & others just say it's local parity. For what it's worth...I disagree with all three presumptions.
  Personally, I think Coach Danzig works his tail off identifying the talent he wants on his team. I think the real problem begins once that student is recruited and the numbers games begin.
 

Interesting insight. I always thought you were not a fan of Coach Danzig, but it sounds like we agree the problem lies with the School/Administration/Powers That Be (whether it is the delay in the new website or getting athletes to the school). I have a feeling that Coach Danzig is waging a constant battle trying to get prospects A) into the school, and  B) financial assistance. Hopefully, it isn't a futile fight for him.


On your point to endowments and how they are spent...I don't necessarily agree that there is such a disparity between Scranton's endowment and other D3 schools....


BTW.....Scranton wins a ho hum type game last night 70-63 over Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 12:49:04 PM
NEPAFAN: I think Coach Danzig does his best with what he gets. The million dollar question is: is he getting the right kids & they are doing as well as can be expected or has his recruiting been less than one would expect given his contacts from his Bucknell days. To be honest, I'm not really sure. I have heard he works very hard yet the one & done NCAA visits are getting old. I've also seen him lose more kids from one year to the next at a rate never seen by Bess' teams. Is that the product of the instant gratification nature of todays D-III athlete or his refusal to use his bench? Another question overheard last evening was why no true point or ready to play big had not been brought in over the last two years so they could be ready to fill in for Randy & Tom this season. Lack of effort on his part or lack of a good financial aid package? My vote is on the latter...and for the sake of better days ahead, I hope I'm right.
  As for Scranton's ability to run dollar for dollar with many of the schools competing for the same kids...don't bet on it. Comparing the overall disposable endowments of schools like F&M, Gettysburg & Ursinus & the % of aid they can provide to the general pool of applicants has historically had a far greater reach than what Scranton can put on the table. Don't get me wrong, Scranton is sitting very well financially as witnessed by constant construction on campus...but remember, we are dealing with Jesuits & they like very much to receive & hold. What they offer, at least up to this point in time has been selective at best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 12:49:04 PM
Lack of effort on his part or lack of a good financial aid package? My vote is on the latter...and for the sake of better days ahead, I hope I'm right.


I don't see how one is more favorable than the other.....



Scranton at PSU Hazleton tonight...are they the new regional rival replacing Wilkes?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 04, 2008, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 12:49:04 PM
... but remember, we are dealing with Jesuits & they like very much to receive & hold. What they offer, at least up to this point in time has been selective at best.

Just out of curiosity, does your generalization that "... [Jesuits] ... like very much to receive & hold" also apply at other Jebbie venues, e.g., Gonzaga, Holy Cross, St. Joe's in Philly, and Fordham? (Or do you refer to D3 Jesuit institutions only?)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
Warren: Since the other schools you've mentioned are D-I and offer FULL rides...I think we can safely eliminate them as suspects.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 04:08:04 PM
NEPAFAN: One is really not better than the other...I guess what I really mean is that if you had to pick your poison...I'd at least rather know my coach was working his tail off trying to get the kids. With the financial aid stuff...sometimes you may get the student from one of the schools I've mentioned & getting a serious aid package isn't that big a deal. On the other hand...a lazy coach that does not recruit can wreck havoc on a program for years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 04:19:09 PM
I believe John Carroll is the only other D-3 Jesuit Institution.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
Warren: Since the other schools you've mentioned are D-I and offer FULL rides...I think we can safely eliminate them as suspects.
Though - you may be able to argue they aren't offering full rides to all of their players. I don't know how many scholarships those teams are permitted to carry, but remember, those numbers can be split up. The money for one scholarship may not actually go to just one person. However, there is a lot of information there I don't know!

Interesting thing to think about: all schools are suffering in some way in this economy. Private schools have lost some of their endowments and that is affecting many of the financial aid packages/scholarships they can offer to students. That is forcing some private school students to transfer to public schools. I can't prove anything, since I am not privy to the information, but were a lot of transfers from private Catholic to public schools like Salisbury. I know basketball wasn't the reason - that it was something else. I wonder how much affordability or the lack of aid was a factor.

Now, things are simple for the public schools. Many states are suffering from budget deficits/shortfalls thanks to states suffering in the economy. What does that mean? Funding is being cut from public schools. Not sure how much that is affecting financial aspects similar to private schools, but there is a factor.

Now... that all being said, I think the public schools are in better shape since they tend to be cheaper to begin with!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 09:54:05 PM
Scranton's game at PSU Hazleton has been canceled due to "unplayable court conditions". I'm sure we'll get all the details on Scranton's new & improved web site...in Jan. 09'. What a great tune-up this turned out to be for the start of conference play on Sat. Maybe ceiling tiles were falling from the rafters at the HazelDome. With 2 bad losses already Regionally, Scranton can ill afford losing a game off their schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 10:04:09 PM
Yes, hopefully one of the Royal insiders can provide some insight into what "unplayable court conditions" means. Maybe Scranton encountered a hostile PSU Hazelton student section and Danzig pulled them off the court....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
NEPAFAN: Ahh..."a hostile" student section. Remember the good old days when Scranton had one? These days, the Lady Royals have a bigger crowd in the 1st. game of Long Center double-headers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 10:13:49 PM
We might have lost a student section but we gained Dean Corwin. ;D

Also put in an email in an attempt to get a firm date on the new website, I'll let you know if I hear anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 10:19:05 PM
Saratoga,
  Would you know Scranton's Bball grant-in aid resources? $100k? Do they spread it around evenly or favor priority recruits? Assuming that most of their recruits qualify for at least $25k of aid.
  I did hear Coach Strong say that only 2 recruits showed up this year for the ladies despite graduating 5.
  I don't know or I do know but don't want to reveal Scranton's recruiting strategies are understandable responses.
  Any other school want to shed some light on their procedures? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
Ronk: In D-III, the NCAA bylaws are very clear...NO coach is to have any contact with those that make decisions regarding financial aid. ALL students are to be given EQUAL consideration based on that families specific need. In other words, Coach Danzig can not talk to the Director of Fin. Aid & tell he or she that "we really need you guys to come up big time for us with the Jones kid because he's a legit small D-I player & college X is going to give him a heck of a package". Can't be done...not that some schools don't...but, all the coach can do is point them in the direction of that office & hope for the best.
  I know a specific case from 2 years ago where Coach Strong had a young lady all set to come to Scranton & she certainly would have started for him only to end up getting one final "adjustment" in her Fin. Aid package from another school & that's all it took for her parents to say "thanks anyway Mike". Happens all the time. That's why I'm saying...those schools that have the largest endowments can cast the largest nets regardless of a players family income. By the way, the young lady I'm referring to is from your area & she had one great freshman year last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 11:12:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:56:16 PM

  I know a specific case from 2 years ago where Coach Strong had a young lady all set to come to Scranton & she certainly would have started for him only to end up getting one final "adjustment" in her Fin. Aid package from another school & that's all it took for her parents to say "thanks anyway Mike". Happens all the time. That's why I'm saying...those schools that have the largest endowments can cast the largest nets regardless of a players family income. By the way, the young lady I'm referring to is from your area & she had one great freshman year last season.

I think I know whom you mean, if she was from NY state. Coach Strong mentioned recruiting her. I think they could have reached at least the sweet 16 last year if she had joined us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 11:26:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
Ronk: In D-III, the NCAA bylaws are very clear...NO coach is to have any contact with those that make decisions regarding financial aid. ALL students are to be given EQUAL consideration based on that families specific need. In other words, Coach Danzig can not talk to the Director of Fin. Aid & tell he or she that "we really need you guys to come up big time for us with the Jones kid because he's a legit small D-I player & college X is going to give him a heck of a package". Can't be done...not that some schools don't...but, all the coach can do is point them in the direction of that office & hope for the best.

I guess we need somebody from the financial office to say what disgression they have in making their offers or do they work backwards from offering only to those applicants who need the whole $43k, $42K,...with no other considerations?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
Just as an aside to the Jesuit finances and athletics discussion, I have read online about Fordham fan's consternation and disappointment with their basketball program and specifically former Scranton president Father Mcshane's ambivalent attitude towards athletics in general.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 05, 2008, 03:53:06 PM
Hazelton's  gym floor was too slippery.  The game between the Hazelton women & Lyco was also postponed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2008, 09:40:02 PM
Susquehanna opens up conference play with a 64-41 win over Juniata. Joel Patch posted another double-double (14 points and 14 rebounds).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2008, 11:20:42 PM
Catholic and GOucher playered a thrilled tonight at the SRC. CUA wins 78-74 in OT. Goucher once again had their chances but couldn't do anything about it. CUA is a much faster team than in years past. It certainly helps to lose McGrew and other sizeable guys inside - it will force you to pick the pace up.

Tonight's game also proves you can't compare results and expect outcomes. CUA may have crushed Stevenson who beat Goucher... but that certainly didn't mean CUA would get an easy victory of the Gophers. Matchups and other factors play a major part.

And Moravian beat Scranton tonight. Could the reality of how much Scranton lost from last season be finally showing up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
You wouldn't even believe what I went through tonight to try to go to the CUA-Goucher game...and after all of it, we never made it.

Long story short, we dropped my kid off at my parents in Winchester, with the plan of a nice leisurely drive through Charles Town, WV, over to Frederick, MD and on I-70 into Baltimore.

Oh. My. God.  Just the other side of WV, it started to snow.  And then the roads turned to absolute ice.  I'm from MA but I've never seen anything like this.  Within 20 minutes it was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen.  I must have seen 40-50 separate accidents out there.  I-70 the other side of Frederick became impassible.  I'm used to driving in that weather and even I lost control of my Odyssey two separate times on little highway overpasses.  I saved it, a lot of people didn't.  We got to a point where I-70 both ways were completely closed--accidents and impassible conditions.

Finally, we got to an emergency vehicle turnaround point and pulled a U-turn to get back into Frederick.  The 70/270 interchange was unlike anything i've ever seen.   14 car accident, all over the road.  It was an obstacle course.  We got off in Frederick and ate dinner and the guy on the ramp in front of me literally went down it totally sideways (lucky he didn't hit anything).

At this point I was just happy to make it one piece.  We finally made it back home.  Sorry I missed what must have been a great game.  I see that Banzhof had 27...what a beast.  Not surprised it was close--lots of familiarity and matchups, etc as D-Mac said.

Oh well.  Sorry I missed you D-Mac.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 06, 2008, 11:20:42 PM
And Moravian beat Scranton tonight. Could the reality of how much Scranton lost from last season be finally showing up?

Didn't Moravian lose 4-5 players too? No insight into the game, but on paper I thought the Royals would cover by 3-5 points. The lost to Moravian last year to start conference play and we all know what happened then so we'll see..

The turnovers and rebounding (lack thereof) is concerning...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2008, 11:27:22 AM
Yet another blown chance by Scranton to pick up a win on the road against a very, very beatable opponent. Yes, Moravian did lose about 5 kids from last year & about 90% of their scoring & rebounding...yet, with a soph. returning point guard & one other returning player, they turned it on mid-way through the 2nd. half & never looked back.
  I am very concerned as well the zero inside presence, continued lack of respectable defense, horrible team rebounding and on-going dumb fouls by this team. Couple all of that with no point & this is the current formula for disaster the Royals are sleepwalking into.
  I saw the Messiah game & the Royals were outhustled from start to finish by a group of kids not anywhere near in talent yet far superior in heart & sheer determination. At the moment, it clearly seems as though this team is without direction & playing without a passion, pride & purpose that, at this point in the season with such a veteran squad is really unacceptable. I am truly worried about the future of not only this season but, the future of what we all once knew as Royals basketball. If this team...with all the minutes these kids have played over the previous 2 & 3 years is struggling, then once they leave this year...how much will next years team be devoid of scoring opportunites, rebounding and all the other intangibles?
  Too early to push the panic button? Perhaps...but, certainly not too early for everyone...from the Head Coach right down to the last player on the bench to have a reality check to not only see they are all on the same page, but, that they all even have the same book. Getting continually outhustled is one very worrisome sign.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2008, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
You wouldn't even believe what I went through tonight to try to go to the CUA-Goucher game...and after all of it, we never made it.

Long story short, we dropped my kid off at my parents in Winchester, with the plan of a nice leisurely drive through Charles Town, WV, over to Frederick, MD and on I-70 into Baltimore.

Oh. My. God.  Just the other side of WV, it started to snow.  And then the roads turned to absolute ice.  I'm from MA but I've never seen anything like this.  Within 20 minutes it was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen.  I must have seen 40-50 separate accidents out there.  I-70 the other side of Frederick became impassible.  I'm used to driving in that weather and even I lost control of my Odyssey two separate times on little highway overpasses.  I saved it, a lot of people didn't.  We got to a point where I-70 both ways were completely closed--accidents and impassible conditions.

Finally, we got to an emergency vehicle turnaround point and pulled a U-turn to get back into Frederick.  The 70/270 interchange was unlike anything i've ever seen.   14 car accident, all over the road.  It was an obstacle course.  We got off in Frederick and ate dinner and the guy on the ramp in front of me literally went down it totally sideways (lucky he didn't hit anything).

At this point I was just happy to make it one piece.  We finally made it back home.  Sorry I missed what must have been a great game.  I see that Banzhof had 27...what a beast.  Not surprised it was close--lots of familiarity and matchups, etc as D-Mac said.

Oh well.  Sorry I missed you D-Mac.


That is scary! Glad to hear you are alright!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2008, 01:06:44 PM
Matt: as NEPAFAN stated...glad you made it back without serious problems...except for the fact you probably had to have your hands surgically removed from the wheel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2008, 04:10:44 PM
Matt - being from New England myself, Saturday's storm wasn't bad in the Baltimore area... a little dicey, but not like what you experienced. However,  a few weeks ago I got stranded in York, PA trying to get back to Baltimore. Similar situation to you. I am very experienced in dealing with bad weather, but even I decided to get off the road and find a hotel - just 30 or so miles from my home. I-83 was shutdown in both directions and there was nothing but ice everywhere and on every surface. Sounds like PennDOT and MDOT both have been caught sleeping on early season storms this year!

Glad you are safe. You did miss a very exciting game, but I suspect you will get another chance at the SRC South! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2008, 09:18:25 AM
In an attempt to inject some optimism into the board, I have been very impressed with the early play of Luke Hawk who sat out all of last year with an injury.



and BTW...Dmac...your picture isn't showing up ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 08, 2008, 04:10:44 PM
Matt - being from New England myself, Saturday's storm wasn't bad in the Baltimore area... a little dicey, but not like what you experienced. However,  a few weeks ago I got stranded in York, PA trying to get back to Baltimore. Similar situation to you. I am very experienced in dealing with bad weather, but even I decided to get off the road and find a hotel - just 30 or so miles from my home. I-83 was shutdown in both directions and there was nothing but ice everywhere and on every surface. Sounds like PennDOT and MDOT both have been caught sleeping on early season storms this year!

Glad you are safe. You did miss a very exciting game, but I suspect you will get another chance at the SRC South! :)

Yeah, the Maryland Highway Administration was really asleep at the switch.  Both DDOT and VDOT were mobilized early for this and the DC and VA roads were fine.  Now, I think conditions did get worse in the higher terrains of Frederick County Maryland, but that's all the more reason why there should have been trucks out there. 

We did contemplate staying overnight in Frederick, but fortunately by the time we stopped at ate dinner, 270 South was fine and we were able to get down to the Beltway and back into NoVa with no problems.

Goucher always does play Catholic tough...sometimes its hard to explain on paper.  One of the reasons why it was nice for CUA to get the win.  It might not look that impressive to beat an 0-5 team in OT, but for a young team on the road, it was actually a very good win. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Can Scranton knock off Albright (7-1) tomorrow afternoon at the Long Center?



Apparently they can. Great not good win for the Royals with solid play from the regulars and a lift from Eli Londo.


Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 14, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 15, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
Susquehanna beat "old" rival Lycoming, 63-55, yesterday. I was out of town, so you can read the recap here: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/default.htm  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2008, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 14, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)


Maybe it was cancelled?


Scranton 83-66 over Etown tonight.  Eli Londo comes off the bench with 11 points and 7 rebounds, two back to back solid efforts from him.


Scranton 6-3 at the holiday break.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2008, 01:35:15 AM
   In a statistical anomaly, the Royals' balanced offense saw each of the starters with 8 field goal attempts and, with a little license, their 6th man(Londo/O'Connell) had 8 shots, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 17, 2008, 12:33:20 PM
Joel Patch had his third straight double-double and fifth of the season, but Susquehanna fell to visiting Bridgewater (Va.) last night, 85-75. Three other players were in double figures for SU.

That closes out the '08 part of the season; the Crusaders return to action Jan. 2 at F&M's tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 14, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)

Now that comeback made me come back. ;D

Lefty, do you know who won the Colts/Steelers game a few weeks back? I can't find that score anywhere.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 18, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 14, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)

Now that comeback made me come back. ;D

Lefty, do you know who won the Colts/Steelers game a few weeks back? I can't find that score anywhere.

CC,
I'd like to say It's good to hear from you, but........

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 18, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
CC,
I'd like to say It's good to hear from you, but........

Merry Christmas!

Yes, back at you and to everyone, including NEPAFAN. He's a little scary, you know?;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 10:06:23 AM
Oh, and by the way. I noticed Catholic is doing its best to hold up its end as one of the two "future of the league" teams, but the other school is 1-6. Not good, no sir, not good at all.

Hey 'toga, I see you're still miserable, as a close pal of mine put it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
You do know that this is a basketball board , right?



Saratoga, how about some love for the Royals after two straight victories?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2008, 11:42:22 AM
NEPAFAN: They did look pretty good in those wins. Passed the ball very well, created very good looks & the perimeter D is showing signs of life. The main issue continues to be at the point & E-town's press made that pretty obvious.
  The Royals are now 4-0 against the MAC Commonwealth...with wins against Lyco, Messiah, Albright & E-town. Enjoy the break & Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
Saratoga,


Agree about the turnovers and rebounding as well. Some alarming stats. On the other hand, Fitzpatrick is top 5 in the nation in 3 point percentage, and Paul Hawk in the top 5 for blocks per game.


Cold Case who is the future of the Landmark?


Merry Christmas to All!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 19, 2008, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
Cold Case who is the future of the Landmark?

Goucher. That's program with so much aura and mystique. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 19, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
While the Goucher program in its current state and under current management will never be a consistent top tier team in the Landmark, I think if the changes were made they could be a top D3 team in not just the Landmark but the country (ballsy prediction but its just a fantasy and will never happen anyway). There is to much talent in the Baltimore area with the BCL, the city, and the surrounding counties that goes unrecruited by Goucher as well as other Bmore Area schools. In addition WCAC, PG County, etc. is a short drive down 95. The school has a lot to sell in my opinion (aside from the ticket price which defn hurts it in some cases I'm sure). If the changes were made Goucher could be a consistent winner in the Landmark.

Eli Londo is having a nice start to the season. I took some flack for that prediction that he would be a good solid impact player for them and looks like he's proving some people wrong early on. While they don't have the 1 dominant rebounder this year it looks like they have everyone chipping in. They are 2nd in rebound margin this year in the conference, however just barely above even against its opponents so not quite what they were last year. The 7 block shots a game as a team is really good making up for the lack of perimeter defense some of you were talking about I'm sure.

Banzhaf's been real good out of the gate to start the season as has CUA. I am interested to see how he and the team do in conference as well as when they eventually face some adversity.

SU looks ok. Patch is having a great year as well. He defn has expanded his game with a nice midrange shot and still hits the boards hard. Cosgrove has had a few solid games didnt look like he was in shape when I saw him. Spencer takes bad shots but is a smooth player and will be an all conference guy before his time is up. My prediction: SU will once again fizzle towards the end of the season, get into the playoffs and lose first round.

Merch Marine has been a big dissapointment out of the gate here. With everyone back from a team who was on the brink of making the playoffs last year and adding a talented freshman in Snead I thought they would be a top team that would challenge Scranton. Perhaps there are some injuries they are dealing with but right now it doesn't look good for them.

Moravians win over Scranton was a fluke I feel. I imagine Scranton went in over confident and didn't take care of the little things while giving a bad team confidence that they never should have had. From boxscores they look like they will be a tough team who will play a lot of people close but in the end not have the talent to win. They have no one who can score on the block.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2008, 06:06:44 PM
bballfan10: I agree with what you've stated about Goucher. First off, it's a great school in a great location. Add the million plus people in the Baltimore/Towson/ Metro DC. area & you've got a recruiting base that's pretty unbelievable within a 40 mile radius of a really nice campus with a great facility.
  As for Eli Londo...the kid is in a zone right now. Too bad the Royals are off till after the New Year...hope it doesn't cool him off too much. Looking forward to the Royals Goucher/Catholic trip next month. I believe the Royals will be staying right in Towson which has some great spots right up the pike from campus.
  The one game that stands out right now against a Landmark team is F&M's 40+ win at Juniata. I know they lost the big kid (Cannon) to graduation...but, as down as they may be, not too many teams roll into Juniata & win by that margin. Not sure what happened in that one...just a really bad game or that plus old Mr. Robinson has loaded up in Lancaster once again. Cheers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 19, 2008, 08:15:11 PM
A lot of great spots toga. Just another one of the great potential selling points for Goucher coupled with the fact you have Towson Univ right there along with Loyola and Stevenson right in the area and you can throw JHU, Coppin, and Morgan St. too. Lotta people lotta places to go unlike some other schools in the conference such as Juniata who easily had the most embarassing loss of any school in the Landmark I will agree with you on that. Although F&M looks to have a better team then in years past losing by 40 is unacceptable especially @ home as you stated.  The Landmark as a whole hasn't done as well as I expected against other conferences. Scranton has dominated the MAC Comm but other then them no significant wins to speak of for the conference as a whole that I can think of off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 20, 2008, 01:10:10 AM
Catholic dominated Pitt-Greenberg in Atlanta today 82-58.  Not terribly surprising, perhaps, but the Cardinals shot 50% and out rebounded their opponents 47-23.  Four players in double figures.

Goucher really hasn't been particularly competitive in quite some time.  I thought they had some talent there this year and they would show significant improvements, but it hasn't happened.  Frankly, I don't mean to be blunt, but I think at this point they probably need to get some fresh blood in there.  The program has really plateued. 

As far as an academic institution, I think it appeals to a certain kind of student, but I'm not sure that many basketball players are really that kind of student.  Its a lot different atmosphere from a Scranton or a Catholic or even a York or a F&M.  They have certainly had some very good players over the years and they always play Catholic tough though.  One other thing in their favor is an excellent facility.  Oh, and they have one hell of a PA announcer.


I am not aware of the current status of the dance team, but suffice to say it was always a highlight of my annual trip up there, though now that I have a kid I'd have to shield his eyes from the action on the floor.  And was there EVER action. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 20, 2008, 09:01:12 PM
Catholic won the Ogelthorpe Holiday Classic today with a 77-75 win over Buffalo State.  Frankly, doesn't look like the Cardinals played a great--they got outrebounded and didn't shoot particularly well against a relatively weak opponent.  But a win's a win, and for a young team playing back to back games, its a nice way to end the first semester--and with an 8-2 record.

Catholic is back in action when they host the Residence Inn-Greenbelt Classic in January.  I remember when it was the CUA-Coca Cola Classic, but I'm clearly over the hill.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 21, 2008, 09:33:25 PM
Everyone's points about Goucher are valid. They have the opportunities and the chances to resurrect themselves as one of the top teams in the region and maybe make a run nationally, but they haven't figured it out. I sometimes think their recruiting is aiming at the wrong students. The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement. We shall see what happens in the future. The athletic program certainly has the facilities to succeed and I do think the Landmark could help that, but time will tell.

And Matt, thanks as always for the comment about the PA at Goucher. I do appreciate it!

As for the dancers... they are okay! :)

More about Goucher when I get more time after the holidays!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 22, 2008, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 21, 2008, 09:33:25 PM
Everyone's points about Goucher are valid......I sometimes think their recruiting is aiming at the wrong students. The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement. We shall see what happens in the future.

That's disturbing to hear. If Goucher is bringing in below average student-athletes, why are they in the Landmark?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2008, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 21, 2008, 09:33:25 PM
The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement.


Cold_Case,

Welcome back.. it would be distrubing if Goucher was blowing away the competition. Nevertheless, it sounds like it defeats the whole purpose of joining the Landmark? One or two "academic projects" I can understand, but the whole team?

Saratoga,


New royal site is up, before Jan. '09 and no more waiting and waiting and waiting for the website to load.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 22, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 21, 2008, 09:33:25 PM


As for the dancers... they are okay! :)

Pardon the hijack but since I have access to the expert here...  :)  I've always wondered why Goucher has a dance team and not a cheerleading squad. Any insight on that?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 23, 2008, 02:20:37 AM
Let me restate what I was trying to say about Goucher and their recruiting: I think they are aiming at athletes who end up having trouble maybe getting into the school.

I am not saying the students on the team are struggling. They get students who are academically qualified and there is no question about that - I know many of them and they certainly have some very book-smart guys on the team.

What I am trying to say is that sometimes I think they aim at players that aren't as qualified... thus putting a lot of eggs in the basket that isn't going to work out.

I am not basing my theory on ANY facts. It is COMPLETELY a feeling. I do NOT know the recruiting habits and I do NOT know specifically who they recruit or have struggled with. That being said, in years past I have seen deeper recruiting classes come in that work well with each other. Until this year, I saw an effort to bring in a few good players instead of a group of them.

There is also som trouble getting players that work in the "system" that Goucher uses on offense and defense. You can be a book-smart person, but that doesn't mean you are game smart. I sometimes wonder about the game-smarts with some of the players that arrive at Goucher. Some players never seem to learn in four years how to run things and some players can't handle the pressure of learning the system.

I am sure I have just put my foot in my mouth once again... but the "censor" is not working right now. Long story, but I am in Malborough, MA right now after traveling from Baltimore today (left at 7PM) after a couple hour nap following a 24 hour day. I may not be completely working on all cylinders. I will check back in at a later time to see if I need to once again restate something! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2009, 11:05:35 AM
Happy '09 to all!


Does anyone know is the Radisson Invitational will be broadcast over the internet?  Royals could face a real test against 10-1 Richard Stockton on Sunday at 4:00pm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2009, 01:24:15 PM
NEPA,
   I think I heard Dean Corwin say(during the Albright game) that he would be doing the women's games today and 2morrow and the men on Sunday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2009, 05:17:22 PM
+1 Ronk, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
Scranton had a decent win against SUNY Plattsburgh yesterday and today found out what it takes to beat a nationally ranked program when they took on Stockton St. The good news is they finally brought in some good schools for the Radisson...the bad news, Scranton keeps on losing its own tourney & it becomes painfully clear that they are just a few athletes short of what it takes to win on the national scene.
  This is the same Stockton team that gave National Runnerup Amherst a run for their money last year in the NCAA Elite 8 game...ironically held at Plattsburgh. Too many weapons both inside & out...kids that crash the boards, a point who just doesn't turn it over & a smothering non-stop defense. The Royals played hard & had it within 2 with the chance to tie but, missed the front end of a 1+1 & it went downhill in a hurry after that.
  If there are between 10/16 teams better than Stockton out there, that should give anyone that knows the Royals an idea of where this team or subsequent teams need to be to get back into serious national contention...one can only hope some relentless recruiting is underway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2009, 08:51:40 AM
Nice to see some press. Will post thoughts later..


U of S comeback comes up short in Radisson final





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BY SCOTT WALSH
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Published: Monday, January 05, 2009
Updated: Monday, January 5, 2009 4:12 AM EST
When the University of Scranton men's basketball team got close, Richard Stockton College simply kicked things into high gear.

Using their speed and quickness down the stretch, the nationally ranked Ospreys held off the Royals, 77-62, in the championship game of the seventh annual Radisson Invitational on Sunday afternoon at the John Long Center.

Omar Smith had 22 points and 10 rebounds to lead Stockton (12-1), which has won nine straight games and is No. 14 in this week's d3hoops.com Top 25 poll. Smith was named the tournament's Most Valuable Player.

Santini Lancioni added 20 points for the Ospreys to join Smith on the all-tournament team.

Luke Hawk led four scorers in double figures for Scranton with 18 points and was named to

the all-tournament team.


Rounding out the squad were Steven Johns of Shenandoah and Errol Daniyan from Plattsburgh State.

Shenandoah won the consolation game over Plattsburgh, 63-39.

Leading at halftime, 40-33, Stockton opened the second half with a 10-2 burst to increase the margin to 15 with 16:53 remaining.

But the Royals clawed their way back. Over the next 6� minutes, they went on a 17-4 run to close to within 54-52 with 10:33 left.

"We attacked, stayed aggressive and were able to get to the foul line and hit some shots," Royals coach Carl Danzig said of his team's rally. "Our pressure forced some turnovers, too."

Zach Ashworth capped the run with a nifty play. Inbounding from underneath the Stockton basket, he threw the ball off Smith's back, caught it, scored, was fouled and completed the three-point play.

Stockton coach Gerry Matthews called timeout and had some harsh words for his team.

"I said, 'How about guarding someone for a change?'�" Matthews said. "It went from 50-35 to 54-52. We were taking quick shots; just take your time and run something.

"We took their shot. We just had to get out poise back."

Actually, the Royals had a chance to tie the game at 54. However, Luke Hawk had the front end of a 1-and-1 rattle in and out.

That's when Stockton turned things up a notch.

With the score 63-58 and 6:24 left, the Ospreys defense limited the Royals to just one point over the next 4� minutes while the offense scored 12.

Smith accounted for five of the 12 points. Michael Darrow hit a 3-pointer — Stockton's 10th of the game — before free throws by Lancioni (1) and Kai Massaquoi (3) finished off the Royals.

"Their team speed and athleticism wore on us," Danzig said. "To their credit, they did a great job of holding us down."

Paul Biagioli added 14 points for the Royals (7-4), which had a three-game winning streak halted. Ashworth and Paul Hawk each finished with 10 points.

Despite the loss, Danzig felt his team could take away some positives as it resumes Landmark Conference play with home games Friday against Susquehanna and Saturday against Juniata.

"We competed and that's always what you're always looking for," Danzig said. "They were the No. 14-ranked team in the country, we went head-to-head with them and had a two-point game with 10 minutes to go. All we were looking to do was give ourselves an opportunity to be in the game at the end and I think we did that."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
After winning the CUA Classic last weekend, Catholic kicked off the rest of its Landmark schedule with a 74-43 win on the road at Drew.  Jason Banzhaf had 18 for the Cardinals. 

Obviously winning ROY should have put him on the radar screen of the rest of the league, but I can't say enough about how well he's playing.   For CUA semi-old timers, he reminds me a lot of Will Morley--only I dare say that's farther along as a sophomore than Will was.  Granted, Will's teams had more scoring depth, but Jason is averaging 19.8 points a game while shooting 58% and grabbing just about 7 and a half boards.  Just like Will, he's even got range from 3 although he doesn't look for that shot.  He dominated against Husson last weekend (who beat Clark and played Catholic surprisingly tough) despite a relentless double team in the second half. 

Cardinals take on Merchant Marine tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:58:58 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Here are the standings both standard and a new format(Ronk Standings) which stresses the effect of home court losses and road wins in a conference which has an uneven number of home vs road games for each team after each weekend(until the final travel-pair game), since the 1st weekend starts play with only 1 game per team. I think it gives a truer picture.

Standard                                                   RS

MMA           3 - 0                                        Catholic     2 - 0
Scranton    2 - 1                                        MMA           1 - 0
Catholic      2 - 1                                        Susque      1 - 0
Susque       2 - 1                                        Juniata      1 - 0
Juniata       1 - 2                                        Scranton    0 - 0
Drew          1 - 2                                        Goucher     0 - 1
Moravian    1 - 2                                        Moravian    0 - 2
Goucher     0 - 3                                        Drew          0 - 2
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2009, 11:22:24 AM
Noticed that Juniata went 0 for at the line (0-8). When is the last time that happened?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
Missing all of your free throws (even if the total is only eight) is hard to believe especially coming from a team that was in the Landmark finals last season. I thought prior to seeing that stat only the Lady Royals were capable of pulling that one off. I guess Juniata lost more than Brian Cannon because they really have struggled this year. However, as we all know, beating them at their place will certainly present a whole new set of challenges.
  Next week at Goucher on Friday & Catholic on Sat. I saw Goucher twice last year & thought they had a nice group of kids that were talented...just a little young. Not sure what's going on right now but, they too have yet to find the mark very often in the win column. Catholic will be tough as they always are at home. Last season we swept that road trip...this year it all depends if the Royals dig down & decide to play defense instead of the last team to score wins mentality.
  All in all a good weekend...anytime you get two W's I guess it is. Just have yet to see anything that makes me say the Royals are now ready for the Stockton's, Amherst's & Wheaton's of the world...not yet anyway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:58:58 AM
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  Here are the standings both standard and a new format(Ronk Standings) which stresses the effect of home court losses and road wins in a conference which has an uneven number of home vs road games for each team after each weekend(until the final travel-pair game), since the 1st weekend starts play with only 1 game per team. I think it gives a truer picture.

Standard                                                   RS

MMA           3 - 0                                        Catholic     2 - 0
Scranton    2 - 1                                        MMA           1 - 0
Catholic      2 - 1                                        Susque      1 - 0
Susque       2 - 1                                        Juniata      1 - 0
Juniata       1 - 2                                        Scranton    0 - 0
Drew          1 - 2                                        Goucher     0 - 1
Moravian    1 - 2                                        Moravian    0 - 2
Goucher     0 - 3                                        Drew          0 - 2



Please tell us more about what goes into the Ronk Standings....I think I have it figured out, but was never any good with numbers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2009, 04:47:30 PM
    The left side is the number of road wins; the right side is the number of home losses; for example Catholic has 2 road wins and no home losses.
    The idea is that home court is usually such an advantage that you are expected to win at home; if you can get a road win, that is big and hopefully, the RS will show that as the weekends go by. Remember, at the end of each weekend, each team has played an uneven number of home vs road games which isn't reflected in the standard standings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 09:08:19 PM
Ronk-- I like your standings and would like to use it in the Centennial, of course calling it the Ronk standings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2009, 10:38:03 PM
Scranton's web site has them playing PSU-Hazleton tonight in their make-up game... yet no scores posted nor writeup on their "new' & improved" site. Just a figment of their immagination, another mysterious cancelation at the Hazledome or just a real late synopsis from one of the nations better games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Saratoga,
    Royals victory now up on web site; Fitzpatrick only 12 min of action(no foul trouble); no mention of an injury.

Old ends,
   Feel free to use/adapt it for the Centennial.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2009, 08:06:16 AM
Thanks Ronk. I called it quits after 11:00 & nothing was up. Good catch on Fitz...hope it was just being a little under the weather & nothing serious.
  Your index is catching on...when do the predictive features roll out? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2009, 08:46:34 AM
How about 17 turnovers against Penn State Hazelton?  :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
NEPAFAN: Wow! 17 turnovers vs. PSU Hazleton...not quite the classic tuneup one would expect this time of year right before you head into a tough weekend on the road. I guess it's safe to say the Royals are not peaking too soon. I guess the larger question yet to be answered is...will they ever?
  Another question re: the Royals. Remember back not too many years ago when Scranton would put 2,000 in the stands for a game against the bottom feeders of the MAC & absolutely pack the Long Center for the big games? What the heck has happened over the last 6-7 years? If they draw 500 it's a good crowd these days & most doubleheaders the Lady Royals have the larger student & local fan support...what has gone wrong with this program and the support from all sections? I'm not sure there is just one right answer...just wondering what others thoughts are & if other schools are seeing a similar wane in support...prior to playoff action anyway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2009, 11:26:24 PM
   I would attribute attendance problems to (1) no more "big" games like Kings(men and women) and to a lesser degree, Desales(men/women) and Wilkes men and (2) intersession in the prime of the season. What % of the student body goes to intersession?
   It also helps to have players that leave it all on the court like the Kates(P and Doc), Erin Healy, Matt/Mellody, Brian O'Donnell, Bicknell, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2009, 04:39:36 PM
The only time Scranton had 2,000 + in recent history was their run to the Sweet Sixteen during Danzig's first season. So I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. Nevertheless, no reason why they shouldn't be getting a few more fans. I do think that fans show up in Feb and especially come playoff time.


I think you would see those numbers during the regular season if you get Wilkes or Kings to return to the Long Center. (Is that ever going to happen??)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
Thanks again Ronk

set it up but messed it up but will correct next time
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2009, 01:42:17 AM
  Royals struggle but victorious over Goucher. Eli with several strong inside moves despite foul trouble; Zach with several strong drives to the hoop; Ryan 4-7 3-ptr in 1st half; Dan O'Connell with 4 big foul shots in last 2 minutes, rebounds, tie-ups, and loose ball peskiness. Luke leads with 11 rebounds; Paul Hawk hits floor hard and doesn't return.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2009, 02:59:05 AM
NEPAFAN: You are exactly right, the Royals last Sweet 16 team led by Bess' last recruiting class of seniors Dan Loftus, Derek Elphik, Bryant Smith & Jeff Kane were the last to play in front of what was then considered a "typical' Scranton crowd of 1,200 to 2,000 per home game. It was right after that season that it certainly seems the bottem fell out. If you remember, the very next season I believe the Royals won only 3 or 4 games all year with the first semester coming to an abrupt end with Marywood beating the Royals in the Long Center on a last second 3 point bank shot from about 40' out. It was all down hill after that game & with each additional loss it appeared less & less students & former regulars showed up.
  Since Coach Danzig's first season at the helm, I have not seen another game at the Long Center even when they played Wilkes & Kings that had the atmosphere of previous years. I am not in any way suggesting the decline in Royal attendance is to be attributed to him...just that Bess had the very real luxury of having his kids embraced by the students and locals & I've just not seen that in the last 6 or 7 years.
  The last game at the Long Center that had a somewhat respectable crowd was 3 years ago when the Royals played Wilkes for the MAC championship in Scranton's last year in that conference...good win by the way.
  One thing the Royals have done this year for the first time in many years is schedule a few Sat. games in the evening once 2nd. semester starts & I think if they are still winning, this will certainly help. Bess hardly ever played Sat. afternoon games (except Kings) as he wanted the students fired up & ready to support his kids. I guess we'll know soon enough & hopefully this years team can at least catch a little glimpse of what it was once like to play in front of a real Long Center crowd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2009, 01:42:17 AM
  Royals struggle but victorious over Goucher. Eli with several strong inside moves despite foul trouble; Zach with several strong drives to the hoop; Ryan 4-7 3-ptr in 1st half; Dan O'Connell with 4 big foul shots in last 2 minutes, rebounds, tie-ups, and loose ball peskiness. Luke leads with 11 rebounds; Paul Hawk hits floor hard and doesn't return.

Ronk,

Any status on Paul Hawk? I think they need him this afternoon vs. Banzhaf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2009, 12:05:29 PM
Nepa,
   I won't know about Paul until I get to the game; hopefully, Dean will be able to let you know on the broadcast. Guessing that they would see how he did overnite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
That game also has live video, if you're interested. Links to audio, video and live stats for games on the front page where we have them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2009, 08:20:35 PM
Catholic over Scranton 64-59.

Outstanding game--tough, physical and close the whole way.  I'll post up some details and thoughts on both teams, but the thing that stood out to me was how hard the Cardinals battled, which is reflected in rebounds.  Catholic came into this game with a massive height disadvantage and frankly not much interior depth, especially compared to Scranton--and managed to outrebound Scranton by 10.  That was hustle.

I'll try to get some additional thoughts up tonight. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
Quick note from Goucher:

Moravian 12
Goucher 32

Goucher sets a team and Sports and Recreation Center record for the least amount of points allowed by a team in any half.

Moravian show 4-26 (.154) from the floor and 1-8 (.125) from the free throw line.
Could have been worse, Goucher shot 9-18 (.500) from the free throw line. Though, that is about average - so that is about as good as it gets some nights!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Goucher gets its first Landmark win of the season, 76-53 over Moravian. A sloppy, foul-filled second half of basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2009, 10:24:57 PM
Some additional thoughts on the Catholic-Scranton game:

The way this game played out all added up to a very unlikely win for the Cardinals.  They were cold from 3 and shot just 4-19, allowing Scranton to pack in a tough zone and double Jason Banzhaf.   As a result, Catholic had just 12 points in the paint--so if you combine subpar outside shooting with relatively little production inside, it generally doesn't add up to a win.   The game was EXTREMELY tightly officiated, which should have benefited Scranton because they had so much more interior depth.  And sure enough, Banzhaf picked up his 4th foul at 15:09 with Catholic up 9.

Almost as soon as Banzhaf was out of the game, Scranton went on a run and took a 47-46 lead less than 5:00 later.  All the while, Scranton's big men were racking up fouls inside, but Catholic is much more reliant on Banzhaf who is by far their best player, and he ended up sitting until 7:06 with his team down 2.

For all of Scranton's size, though, it amazes me how little they did with it offensively.  They had major matchup advantages all night yet almost never posted anybody up.  Now I realize the "other" Hawk didn't play, but I'm still puzzled why Scranton took so many jump shots and LONG 3's (granted, they made some of them quite impressively).  They looked like a European team.

Even without Banzhaf, Catholic still kept trying to get the ball inside and that got them to the line.   Scranton never did--and while they certainly had a lot of free throw attempts, too, it wasn't as much simply because you aren't as likely to get fouled when you are standing there jacking up shots.

The other key for Catholic was totally shutting down Zack Ashworth.  A number of guys were on him including Evin Yarborough who did a great job.  Ashworth was 1-8 for 5 points.

I mentioned the rebounding number and that still astounds me.  Just a testament to lots of hustle and hard work underneath.

I see that Coach Danzig's antics haven't changed.  In the first half, the foul situation was virtually even--I think Scranton maybe had one more team foul, but it wasn't much of a discrepancy.  To start the second, Catholic comes out with a quick little burst to take the lead, and virtually the first foul that's called, he's up yelling at the refs "here we go...its the same thing every time down here" like he's getting screwed.  It was bizarre.  As I said before, the tightly officiated game should have played to his advantage because he had much more depth to work with, and sure enough, Catholic's best player ended up sitting for a major part of the 2nd half with 4 fouls.  I don't mind a coach working the refs, but that's kind of a stunning accusation to make in a game which had been called quite evenly.  To top it off, he ends up arguing a foul in which Reed was mauled that was probably the most obvious call the entire game. 

In any event, I still think Scranton is physically the most talented team in the league.  They've got size, they can shoot the ball and at least tonight they didn't turn it over.  Of course, that doesn't neccesarily equate to being the best team, and that remains to be seen.   Scranton led by 1 with 58 seconds left and had two opportunities to win the game--and got nothing on either trip.  Frankly, it looked like nobody wanted to take the shot.  On their last posession, Fuller had a fairly wide open look at a 3, didn't take it, badly faked out the defender which gave him a wide open jump shot--and didn't take that either.  Instead he dribbled the ball right into traffic and turned it over.  Now I don't know his range and what kind of shooter he is, but...he should have taken the shot.  Contrast that on the other end, when Dixon freed himself for a split second just inside the 3 point line and still took--and made the shot that basically won the game. 

Great win for the Cardinals to build on.  Winning in Scranton will be extremely tough, so getting this one at home was big.  They were pretty much on the ropes twice tonight--once early, and once late--and with a young team you just don't know how they are going to respond.  There may well be a 3rd battle between these two teams, and where it will be played is important so this is going to be an interesting stretch run. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Matt: Good breakdown of the game...hard to believe in many ways Scranton did not win this...but, certainly seemed like the Royals were out hustled. We were not able to make this trip this year but a good friend & his wife were there & he called with about 14 minutes left in the second half during a time out wondering why the "hell aren't Scranton's guards driving to the hoop when the refs are calling all these touch fouls"? Once again the Royals settle in as a one dimensional team firing away & using very little creativity. Talking to him after the game he stated that this was a very winnable game it's just that Scranton made zero adjustments to the situation on the floor. I think this is starting to become the basketball version of Groundhog Day...same stuff year after year. From your discription, it sounds like you witnessed the same things by the Royals...bomb, bomb & more bombs...just like the final score should you be a Royals fan.
  PS. Hope your trip home tonight was a little less stressful than a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 02:17:02 AM
   Agree that Catholic outhustled the Royals(3rd road game in 4 days) as evidenced by 14-6 advantage in offensive rebounds, Royals' below average foul-shooting,  and Zach beating his man for the lead on a drive to the hoop in the final minute but coming up short on his leap(no spring) at the basket.
  Game was tightly officiated by 2 refs(including my friend, naturally) but overly officiated by the 3rd who called many fouls in the paint with little contact, no advantage/disadvantage, generally without the offended player having possession of the ball, then with game on the line in the final seconds, he swallows his whistle on a non call that resulted in Fuller turning it over. We'll never know if the outcome would have been different, but he injected himself into the game instead of letting the players decide.
   Jason was impressive in the paint, but at least he could blame himself for his absence in the second half with those 2 dumb fouls(running into a 3-pt shooter(#3) and getting ball-faked on the baseline(#4)
   Jump-shooting vs non-shooting maneuvering inside had nothing to do with the fouls that shouldn't been called .   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 02:27:32 AM
Standings                                               RS

MMA                 5 - 0                                Catholic          2 - 0
Catholic           4 - 1                                 Susque          2 - 0
Susque            3 - 2                                 MMA               1 - 0
Scranton          3 - 2                                 Scranton        1 - 0
Drew                2 - 3                                 Juniata           1 - 0
Juniata             1 - 4                                 Moravian        0 - 2
Moravian          1 - 4                                 Goucher         0 - 2
Goucher           1 - 4                                 Drew              0 - 3

Scheduling oddity:    Drew starts conference play with 5 home games, Juniata with 5 road games
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 18, 2009, 02:17:02 AM
   Agree that Catholic outhustled the Royals(3rd road game in 4 days) as evidenced by 14-6 advantage in offensive rebounds, Royals' below average foul-shooting,  and Zach beating his man for the lead on a drive to the hoop in the final minute but coming up short on his leap(no spring) at the basket.
  Game was tightly officiated by 2 refs(including my friend, naturally) but overly officiated by the 3rd who called many fouls in the paint with little contact, no advantage/disadvantage, generally without the offended player having possession of the ball, then with game on the line in the final seconds, he swallows his whistle on a non call that resulted in Fuller turning it over. We'll never know if the outcome would have been different, but he injected himself into the game instead of letting the players decide.
   Jason was impressive in the paint, but at least he could blame himself for his absence in the second half with those 2 dumb fouls(running into a 3-pt shooter(#3) and getting ball-faked on the baseline(#4)
   Jump-shooting vs non-shooting maneuvering inside had nothing to do with the fouls that shouldn't been called .   

Yeah I don't know that anybody enjoys a game officiated THAT tightly.  I particularly agree with the advantage/disadvantage--or lack thereof--on some of the fouls.  It wasn't always in the paint, either--Olivero, Catholic's senior shooting guard, got nailed on a few touch fouls a little farther out.

But my point was that it was clear that's the way it was going to be, and it was absolutely happening on both ends, so at some point you have to adjust to that.   And that's where the style of play comes in--it wouldn't have taken points off the board if Scranton had tried to go inside more, but it would have gotten them to the line more too.  Plus, I just think an outside game like that is more effective if you at least try to put the ball in the paint on occassion.  Particularly when you have a couple guys on the floor that have a good 2-4 inches on anybody on the defense.  Yet I'm not sure there was even a single attempt to post somebody up.

Jason's third foul was stupid, the fourth one was a little questionable--I don't think he even left his feet--but in a game like that you have to expect it.  I didn't quite see the end of game sequence the way you did, perhaps not surprisingly--that looked like about a clean a steal as possible--and in any case, Fuller passed up 2 open looks just to dribble the ball around in the paint, so...

I suppose I do understand Saratoga's frustration--Scranton's got so much talent, they probably should be stomping teams like Catholic.  However, I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic.  They're still a really good team, their depth is outstanding, and they can shoot the ball.  It looked to me that they didn't quite know what to do with all of it yet--but its January. 

Meanwhile, Catholic has shown a lot of growth this year...the sky is the limit on Banzhaf and Dixon has turned into one of the better guards in the league already.  They will need to get more consistency from some of the other players, and obviously they don't have a true center, but this is a very well coached team and the chemistry is much better than last year. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2009, 11:19:43 AM
A couple of things.


Scranton's interior depth- Scranton doesn't have a true 5 on their team. They have no post game, thus all the jump shots and 3 point attempts from outside. When you couple that with Paul Hawk sitting on the bench, your left with Biagoli, Londo, and Fuller, who all have height, but are not your bangers in the paint.

Landmark Schedule- Tough to win two conference games on back to back nights, especially when you are without one of your starters. Goucher knocks of Moravian is evidence of this me thinks. The Landmark conference schedule is a war and this game was a battle...

A Glimpse Into the Future?- With P. Hawk going down, Londo and Biagoli fouling out we saw what next year might look like unless Danzig and company have a solid recruiting year.  I think he will be able to offer some recruits 3 starting positions next year...maybe that draws them in.

I am getting ahead of myself...I see Scranton Catholic meeting up in the playoffs this year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 01:36:19 PM
Matt,
   Concerning Catholic, separate from Banzhof, who's topnotch, playing well were Yarbrough, Reed, who's plenty physical and athletic in the paint, and Stolzenthaler, who locked down Fitzpatrick on defense.
  Talked with Coach Howes after church today and he was happy with the two close wins, as well he might be.
   Looks like action is heating up at least as far as we chatters are concerned. I imagine Susque and the Grove are going to be making contributions soon,also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
Good to know I'm missed.  :)

Haven't been able to catch the team on the road but should be able to contribute something starting next weekend. Football's been making the most noise around here lately with the big conference change announcement. Don't worry, we're not leaving the Landmark.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2009, 09:19:56 AM
Looking forward to see how Scranton does against first place MMA on Saturday Night. If you recall, MMA pushed around Scranton twice last year.....Hopefully P. Hawk is healthy and able to return.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2009, 11:47:16 AM
Heard Hawk is healthy and ready to go this weekend against the hottest team in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
Huge win at the Long Center by the Royals tonight. Paul Biagioli drops in a missed shot at the buzzer & the Royals come away with a very hard fought win. This was a big swing game as with a loss the Royals would be 3 out & now with this win they are just 1 out & control their own destiny. Paul was having his way underneath so it certainly seems like the shot the Royals took with about 39 seconds left in the game, from the wing with nobody underneath was somewhat ill-advised because MMA then essentially had the hammer to win or send it to OT. They missed with about 7 seconds left & Ashworth got the rebound & tried a driving layup that rolled around & out & Paul was there to grab the rebound & put it back up at the buzzer. Lots of work still to do but, BIG win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 01:03:48 AM
   More kudos for Dan O' Connell's stats(following a solid game @ Goucher) - didn't miss a shot, 6-6 from foul line, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal. And the Royals got laid-back broadcaster Dean Corwin excited at the end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 05:15:04 PM
Matt,
    Live video & stats of CUA-Juniata currently on Juniata web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 25, 2009, 05:57:08 PM
Susquehanna takes two at home this weekend, Catholic yesterday and Goucher today. Goucher ended up being tougher than I thought they would, based on their record.

I'm continually impressed by Joel Patch. Maybe he was just overshadowed last year by Robinson and Cuff, but he really seems to be coming into his own. His game is a lot smoother and he's averaging double-digits in scoring and rebounds (leading the conference in rebounds).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2009, 07:53:59 PM
Anyone know why Paul Hawk didn't play today and Luke Hawk had limited minutes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2009, 09:20:26 PM
Pretty interesting turn of events with Merchant Marine getting clipped by Moravian today.  4 way tie!  You know, I think we have ourself a pretty good league here fellas.  At least its competitive.

I guess splitting on your road trip is good enough.  Tough to tell where Catholic went wrong against Susquehanna from the stat sheet....defense?  Looked like Sus. just put in the ball in the hole a little bit better--everything else was pretty even.  But that will do it every time!

Yeah, Goucher is not a "bad" team, Grove.  They pushed Catholic to OT earlier--granted, at their place.  They just haven't really put it together, although they are clearly playing better ball now. 

Next Friday, the Cardinals play Merchant Marine--that ought to be interesting. 

Banzhaf watch:  this weekend, 23 and 7 in game 1, 21 and 9 in game 2.   Now averaging around 20.5 a game.  Looks like he's starting to take more 3's...and hitting.   He's got to be in the All America picture at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 11:59:13 PM
Standings                                               RS

MMA                 5 - 2                                Catholic         3 - 0
Catholic           5 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Susque            5 - 2                                 MMA              1 - 0
Scranton          5 - 2                                Scranton         1 - 0
Moravian          3 - 4                                Juniata           1 - 2
Goucher           2 - 5                                Goucher          1 - 2
Drew                2 - 5                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             1 - 6                                Drew              0 - 3

    5 home games in 2nd half for Catholic & Juniata; 5 road games for Drew & Moravian. RS suggests top 4 in playoffs, Catholic #1 seed.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 26, 2009, 02:33:01 AM
Good news for Scranton to have Biagioli have the weekend he did. If he gets it going for them look out. I still think Scranton and Merch Marine are the top 2. Both teams depth and ability to have multiple players have a big game on any given night makes them dangerous and difficult to guard/prepare for. I think the 2nd half of the season will be real interesting. My personal hypothesis, Susq will finish 4th because they don't play d at a high enough level. they just have so much talent and athleticism they make up for it to get these wins during the regular season. Catholic will finish in 3rd in the league. Banzhaf is a special talent but things will get tougher as teams start playing him the 2nd time around. If other guys begin to play well around him consistently then things will be different but I think they are still a year away. Merch Marine will finish 2nd. Scranton 1st. both have 5 guys in the starting lineup who can score and both teams share the ball well however the Royals play the better defense of the two.

As far as All Americans in the Landmark I don't believe there will be one. Although Banzhaf and Patch are both having great years I think that neither of their teams will have a good enough season to warrant such recognition. Good chance I think we could see both as the forwards for the All Region Team. If CUA and Banzhaf continue their progression he will eventually get there.

Really surprised with the Goucher and Moravian boxscores today. Goucher because I saw Micah Perry a freshman drop 30 and Moravian with a big win over Merch Marine. Perry really surprised me. Saw him earlier in the year and felt that his shot selection was perhaps the worst I have ever seen next to my own,but now after seeing the boxscore im interested to see him and how he has developed over the course of this season. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on January 26, 2009, 02:33:01 AM
Really surprised with the Goucher and Moravian boxscores today. Goucher because I saw Micah Perry a freshman drop 30 and Moravian with a big win over Merch Marine. Perry really surprised me. Saw him earlier in the year and felt that his shot selection was perhaps the worst I have ever seen next to my own,but now after seeing the boxscore im interested to see him and how he has developed over the course of this season. 
Don't expect to see that kind of performance out of Perry again. I have seen him play a lot this season and inconsistent would be a kind description. The reality is his shot selection is poor at best and he has a horrible habit of forcing the issue. He also has seen far less playing time until recently, but that is also a product of different substituation habits from the Goucher coaching staff on a game-by-game basis. Looks like Perry caught fire and they left him in the game, but that doesn't mean he will get a ton of playing time in Friday's game - it is all relative. I think he certainly has the talent to be a more productive player, but I have not seen the basketball IQ (my new favorite term, thanks to Gen Schmitt) from him to prove to me he will be a dominating player on the team or in the league.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2009, 09:20:26 PM
Yeah, Goucher is not a "bad" team, Grove.  They pushed Catholic to OT earlier--granted, at their place.  They just haven't really put it together, although they are clearly playing better ball now. 
Interestingly enough, Gougher isn't a bad team... they just don't play an entire 40 minutes and they can't seem to play as a unit to finish a game. As much as there is senior leadership and experience on the team, it is amazing how many times they aren't on the same page when the game is on the line. Too many individuals on this team. However, I have seen them put it together on occasions (i.e. CUA, Scranton, and Moravian games) to show they are very capable. I am not saying they are going to win this conference, but if they can string a few games together and get into the conference tournament (top four)... they may be the most dangerous team there. (The Gophers are three games out of fourth - the four way tie for first - and with half of the conference schedule to, they could move up.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2009, 09:47:41 AM
Okay, so the new site is 100% better than what Scranton was running....but what is the point of having a scoreboard on your website that you don't update? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on January 28, 2009, 01:58:12 PM
New to this board. Looking forward to throwing in my 2cents once in awhile. Looking at the rest of the schedule I don't think the there will be a change in the 4 teams at the top. This will be a another big weekend. Catholic needs more consistancy from Banzah's supporting cast, but different players have stepped up all year. Howes looks like he is down to a 8-9 man rotation instead of playing 11 or 12.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 29, 2009, 09:20:04 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:00:21 AM
This weekend could get real interesting for the Goucher Gophers. Perry is coming off of a big weekend where he nailed a dagger in a win against Juniata and had a big night scoring against Susquehanna. His shooting percentage was great so I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out fully loaded and ready to fire some shots against a Drew team friday night that upset Goucher the first time around. I got a feeling though that the coaching will play a factor and ultimately end in a loss for the Gophers again. No legit big inside for Goucher will hurt them and will be the sole factor of why they will not make it in the top 4 for playoff contention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:03:49 AM
7-10 from beyond the arc against Susguehanna. Dave doesn't that kind of numbers remind you of a (cough cough) deadly outside threat James Russo?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 11:27:23 AM
Hmm... Russo never shot that well... except in his head!  ;D

Perry certainly had a good weekend... but that is the first time he has put up good minutes are strung a few games together. So, unless I see something tonight and tomorrow, I am not jumping on the "he's playing well" bandwagon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 12:32:37 PM
Word on the street is that Goucher shuffled up the playing cards again and will start a different lineup today, with Perry in the starting 5. Inconsistent starting lineup, changes every game, personnel never consistent, substitution woes and you wonder why the gophers can't gel. Yes a solid base to grow from but without the chemistry winning will be hard, Are you gellin?  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
To be honest, I don't know if I had announced the same starting five at a Goucher home game more than twice this season... so if they are changing the line-up again, it isn't anything new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2009, 03:34:43 PM
 For those Royals' fans not traveling over hill and dale to Huntingdon for the games today, Juniata, on the school schedule web site(not D3hoops' schedule) is offering live video. I watched a few mins of their game with Catholic last weekend and while the speed isn't up to the level of other videocasts, it's worth watching.   


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Ronk,


You going to have Dean on the audio call while you watch?

Shaping up to be a good weekend in the conference. Showdown Saturday with the Royals and Sus. and Catholic vs. USMMA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
Nepa,
   Yes, I'll have Dean on,also, since there's no audio on the video plus I can check out out his play-by-play(hope Harry Dammer's along also); I get both(audio/video) over the internet; for a strange sensation, try Dean via the radio while watching the video. Usually, the radio landline is a few secs ahead of satellite video and disconcerting to see something happen secs after u heard it happen.
   I do this occasionally with my friend Rich Chvotkin(former Royals' classmate and broadcaster) who does Georgetown radio while watching the Hoyas on national TV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:22:53 PM
Looks as if Dave was right about Perry from Goucher. He Came out today and proved that a the stellar weekend he had was a fluke or possibly a lucky shooting night. 1-7 from the field won't cut it. Goucher was carried by Boswell, as they have been many times this year. Without him they may have been winless thus far. Merchant Marine will be another test tommorow and they are a tough squad who can do some damage inside. With depth lacking inside for the G-men (no reference to the Giants) I would say that Merchant Marine may take this one easily. Splitting games again, won't cut it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2009, 11:33:54 PM
$$%$#@#$@#$#@$#@$@!!!!!!!

I'm not happy about today's Catholic-Merchant Marine game.  I shall withold comment until I calm down about it, but the end of game officiating sequence was less than satisfactory.  If a guy gets positively mauled when he's shooting a 3 in the final seconds of a game--I mean totally taken out, and the ball goes flying sideways--its a foul.  I understand that the refs don't want to decide the game, but by not making the call, they decided the game anyway.  It was a good look too--not one of those desperation-maybe the refs will bail me out--plays.  A legit, good--open, even--look at a 3--with the defense reacting way late and then overplaying it. 

Not happy. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
Matt: I think there may be a bit more understanding for what you've just described had this game been played in Long Island as opposed to the comfy confines of DuFour.
  If the stat sheet is correct, CUA was 21/29 from the free throw line compaired to MMA's 14/20. As a matter of fact, Banzhoff alone was 14/17 which was almost equal to the entire MMA team.
  I realize there are some games where it comes down to not necessarily the fouls you've called but, rather the one you didn't call....however, it certainly seems CUA had more than enough chances to win this one.
  Could be a great learning tool for a very young Catholic squad...that's about the only positive spin that you can put on games like this. Dwell too long on the negitive & you may be ambushed by Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2009, 01:09:51 PM
Oh yeah, what I am complaining about has nothing to do with the rest of the game.  Merchant Marine FAR outplayed Catholic yesterday--at least for 37:00 or so--and was clearly the better team.  In fact, they are the best team I've seen in this conference in 2 years. 

Merchant Marine led by 12 with 4:00 left and this game was over.  Catholic put together an incredible run to cut it to a one position game with just under a minute left.  So I guess the only flaw was that MM didn't put the game away.  Their defense was absolutely outstanding--flawless.  Even though Banzhaf had 29 points, they were a very, very tough 29 points...obviously a lot of it at the line.  They really sealed the passing lanes so he couldn't kick out.  MM didn't do much when they actually had to run their offense, but everything is fueled by their defense.  They got a lot of transition points and pushed it up the floor.  They were not affected by Catholic's traps whatsoever.

So I can't complain that Catholic lost.  However...as you can see from the stat sheet, it was a tightly officiated game.  The bucket that put MM up 4 was on a drive/layup from the right side.  I was standing right there so I saw clearly that the kid traveled--took 3 steps and then leaped.  Well, they really didn't call any travels all day, so that's an understandable no call.  But they DID call a lot of fouls.  So whether you deserve to lose or not, and whether its the last play of the game or not, when you've got a kid taking a 3 point shot, he's set and got a good luck, and three defenders all realize it and arrive late, and then absolutely fall on top of him as he's shooting, causing the ball to go sideways and the kid to get  pushed into the ground...its NOT okay to swallow your whistle.

Irrespective of the outcome of the game.  Its quite possible that Dixon would have missed one of the 3 free throws anyway--and if he had I wouldn't complain.  I'm not complaining about the outcome of the game, I'm complaining about not calling an obvious foul after you've called everything else all night.

Fair enough?

And btw--I've had a problem with the lead official in that crew for a long, long time--years.  Rest assured, he never gives Catholic anything and he's an arrogant jerk as a bonus.   He t'd up a kid from Merchant Marine for God knows what...it was during a play.  Maybe the kid said something, but it couldn't have been to the ref as he was defending the ball at the time of the technical foul.  Power trip.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2009, 07:12:58 PM
Somewhat of an expected outcome for those that have followed the Royals the past 6 or 7 years. How many big games on the road have the Royals won anyway? Now in second place & if you're a betting person...take MMA and +7 next weekend. This just in from a long time Royal fan at the game..."never has so little been done with so much". No excuses, no ref issues, no we got jobbed...just another big game loss on the road...so what else has changed? How far can this experienced Royals team go...if they're lucky...second round...Landmark playoffs. Please let me be wrong!
???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2009, 10:33:31 PM
This was one the Royals need to win. Next Sunday MMA +7 sounds about right, although with today's loss I think that  it is a must win for the Royals.


Still like this senior laden team in the conference tourny and to win their 3 straight conference title, but doing it on the road a la last year is a lot to ask. Havent the Royals been around 18-8 the past three years?


Toga to early to hear any buzz regarding next years incoming class?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
Standings                                               RS

MMA                7 - 2                                MMA               3 - 0
Susque            7 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Catholic           6 - 3                                Catholic          3 - 1
Scranton          6 - 3                                Scranton         2 - 0
Moravian          3 - 6                                Juniata           1 - 3
Goucher           3 - 6                                Goucher          1 - 3
Drew                2 - 7                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             2 - 7                                Drew             0 - 3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2009, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
Standings                                               RS

MMA                7 - 2                                MMA               3 - 0
Susque            7 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Catholic           6 - 3                                Catholic          3 - 1
Scranton          6 - 3                                Scranton         2 - 0
Moravian          3 - 6                                Juniata           1 - 3
Goucher           3 - 6                                Goucher          1 - 3
Drew                2 - 7                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             2 - 7                                Drew             0 - 3



So of the top four in the Ronk Standings (and likely playoff teams) who has the easiest road to the finish line?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2009, 05:47:34 PM
Nepa,
   None of the 4 are travel partners so they have different home/away combos. Each has to play 2 of the other 3, 1 home, 1 away. Susque has 2 home, the others have 3.
   I'd rank them easiest to hardest:  MMA,Scranton,Catholic,Susque

RS predicts

MMA          10-4
others         9-5
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 02, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
Its a little early now but I believe that a Susquehanna vs. Catholic Landmark Conference Tournament Final is soon approaching. These two teams have the tools to beat everyone else in the league. They need to finish strong and go into the tourny playing well. Let's just hope they don't play each other in the 1st round.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 02, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
Catholic was outplayed by MM period. MM played outstanding defense. Catholic rolled over Drew and relaxed too much after they got a big lead. Catholic needs someone else to step up offensively. They have alot of nice young talent. Banzah could be a 2000 point scorer by the time he graduates. I like the other big kid, 23 has nice shooting form but missed alot of shots, the redheaded kid seems like a bundle of energy and raw talent, and the point guard is a step from being very good. Like I have read here they look like a year away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 02, 2009, 03:53:45 PM
Innerloop, would your sn be a reference to the Beltway?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2009, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: Innerloop on February 02, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
Catholic was outplayed by MM period. MM played outstanding defense. Catholic rolled over Drew and relaxed too much after they got a big lead. Catholic needs someone else to step up offensively. They have alot of nice young talent. Banzah could be a 2000 point scorer by the time he graduates. I like the other big kid, 23 has nice shooting form but missed alot of shots, the redheaded kid seems like a bundle of energy and raw talent, and the point guard is a step from being very good. Like I have read here they look like a year away.

Yes, they were.  Didn't see the Drew game though.  Banzhaf is the best Catholic sophomore I've seen in 10 years of watching Catholic basketball--and that includes Morley and Hilleary, both of whom won national championships as underclassmen.

Spencer Reed is tough and has come along pretty nicely--but they still need a big man to go along with Banzhaf.  Baker (23) is uneven and the redheaded kid is Clark Hindelang--lots of energy, yes!  Not quite there yet.

They do have two good point guards--I don't know which one you are referring to but RJ Dixon is the sophomore who I think has gotten a lot better this year.  He still goes through periods where he kind of loses it in the middle of the game, but he seems to get it back together and get himself under control.  I like the fact that he isn't afraid to take shots--I think he could be the additional offense that you speak of.

I thought they would be a year away, and in a lot of ways they are, but the rest of the league isn't as good as I thought it would be and Catholic is better than I thought, so that puts them in the mix this year.  I still think Merchant Marine is the team to be, because their defense is so good that they can survive bad shooting days.  Scranton can't.  Catholic could if they played good defense. 

I haven't seen Susquehanna--hoping to next weekend.  HUGE game obviously.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 02, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
Its a little early now but I believe that a Susquehanna vs. Catholic Landmark Conference Tournament Final is soon approaching. These two teams have the tools to beat everyone else in the league. They need to finish strong and go into the tourny playing well. Let's just hope they don't play each other in the 1st round.



Alright, I'm in. I'll go USMMA vs. Susquehanna in the Landmark Final.  Danzig is fired and the Royals bring in PJ Carlesimo in the off season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 03, 2009, 01:27:33 AM
I know just looking at stats isn't enough to judge how good a team is, but since I do not have the benefit of being able to see a catholic game its all I have to go on. Looking at the stats Catholic is 1st in scoring O (avg pts a game) 1st in scoring D (fewest avg pts allowed a game) and first in rebound margin. Also top 4 in every team stat category if I recall right. The more and more stats I see the more I believe Catholic may not need that year that myself and a few others thought. Banzhaf is an animal. I don't know how he does it every weekend. Looking forward to next year when I will actually be able to take in a few games around the league in particular CUA.

IMAGINE if they still had Quinn and Parker! ... Also Jones at JC is starting to come on himself and McGrew is a starter at Salisbury

Prediction- Teams that will be in the playoffs need to watch out for Juniata to be a spoiler here at the end (MerchMar and SU still have to go to Hdon). could potentially affect the seeding
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 03, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic. Last post said Juniata could be spoiler in playoffs. They won't make playoffs--I believe it is only top 4 teams?? Any of the top 4 teams could win the Landmark. Depends on all the intangibles like being on a run at the end of the year...home court advantage...injuries....DEFENSE.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2009, 10:13:44 AM
NEPAFAN: Great idea! I think we might also be able to convince Latrell Sprewell to come on board as our strength & conditioning coach since it appears he's clearly out of options in the NBA & obviously he & P.J. have a very "close" relationship.
 I think we may be able to convince a few of the Trustees to take another look at the AD position as well if we're able to provide some good leads.
 By the way, I see Coach Knight seems to be itching to get back...who knows, with the right incentive package (Mannings ice cream for life, Scranton/WB Yankee tickets, Pens tickets, Old Forge pizza & Coney Island weiners), our beloved Royals may just be in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: Innerloop on February 03, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic. Last post said Juniata could be spoiler in playoffs. They won't make playoffs--I believe it is only top 4 teams?? Any of the top 4 teams could win the Landmark. Depends on all the intangibles like being on a run at the end of the year...home court advantage...injuries....DEFENSE.


Prediction- Teams that will be in the playoffs need to watch out for Juniata to be a spoiler here at the end (MerchMar and SU still have to go to Hdon). could potentially affect the seeding

    He didn't say Juniata would be in the playoffs, but they might affect the seeding of teams in the playoffs if they would get upset in Huntingdon in the rest of the regular season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 03, 2009, 11:41:59 AM
Quote from: Innerloop on February 03, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic.

I hate the traffic too, that's why I moved *out* of DC.  :)

Susquehanna's not caught up in their own hype this year (aka Josh Robinson), so I don't think anyone will sneak up on them in the playoffs like Juniata did last year. Right now I'll take a Susquehanna-Catholic final as well, though I reserve the right to change my mind. And I hope I didn't just jinx the Crusaders. But I like a Patch-Banzhof matchup in the final, because I think those are the two best players in the conference right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 03, 2009, 10:13:44 AM
NEPAFAN: Great idea! I think we might also be able to convince Latrell Sprewell to come on board as our strength & conditioning coach since it appears he's clearly out of options in the NBA & obviously he & P.J. have a very "close" relationship.
 I think we may be able to convince a few of the Trustees to take another look at the AD position as well if we're able to provide some good leads.
 By the way, I see Coach Knight seems to be itching to get back...who knows, with the right incentive package (Mannings ice cream for life, Scranton/WB Yankee tickets, Pens tickets, Old Forge pizza & Coney Island weiners), our beloved Royals may just be in the right place at the right time.

Worst Team? Drew.....never seen anyone affiliated with Drew University post on this board or the old MAC Freedom board.


Okay, how about JP Andreko returning from Kings back to the Long Center with Bess volunteering as Associate Head Coach?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2009, 05:22:41 PM
Upcoming weekend

Saturday: top 4 play bottom 4

    Most likely to upset : Goucher over Susque

Sunday:  1st division contests        Scranton/MMA     Susque/CUA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?

Oh deftinitely Drew!  Goucher's gotten a lot better...frankly, I'm not really looking forward to Catholic playing them.  The game is at home, but Goucher's been playing--and playing well in that building--for years.

This weekend--well, Sunday-- will go a long way to figuring out who is playing where come playoff time. 

Statistically, anyway, the only category that Patch can even touch Banzhaf in is rebounds!  Jason's up to 21.0 ppg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 04, 2009, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?

Drew

Grove- SU just doesn't get better as the season progesses typically imo. Looks like this year may be different with other guys such as Cosgrove, McDevitt, and Spencer stepping up as the season goes on. But lets be honest, JC didnt sneak up on them in the playoffs last year...they were fortunate to win the last game of the season before the playoffs then they just got embarassed 1st round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 04, 2009, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 03, 2009, 05:22:41 PM
Upcoming weekend

Saturday: top 4 play bottom 4

    Most likely to upset : Goucher over Susque

Sunday:  1st division contests        Scranton/MMA     Susque/CUA

The Goucher vs. Susquehanna game may not be an upset. Last game Goucher was owned on the boards and inside by the Crusaders. I look to see a better game by Patch and the lack of depth inside of Goucher be exposed. Might be a night to take the kids to watch a few dunks as well, Patch has a tendency to throw down at Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2009, 03:16:09 PM
Well, now that there is consensus that Drew has been the overall worst team...they'll pull the upset special & provide the kiss of death to the Royals.
 This current group of Scranton seniors should remember only too well that fatefull afternoon in Madison, New Jersey on Jan. 28, 2007 when they were freshmen & that group of Royals blew an 18 point halftime lead & ended up losing to Drew 53/51. What made that loss even worse was that just 5 weeks earlier the Royals hammered the Rangers 72/38.
 The following year in the Royals swan song in the MAC, they handled Desales easily at home in Dec. However, in the last regular season game with Scranton needing a win to secure the # 1 seed they faced off with Desales in Center Valley. In what has become a rather disturbing trend, the Royals bolted to a 17 point halftime lead only to blow that one as well & ended up losing the game 75/70 as well as the top seed and any potential playoff momentum. Four days later these teams met again at the Long Center in a first round MAC Freedom contest & after falling behind by 15 early, the Royals made a great attempted comeback...only to lose 62/60.
 Bottom line...Scranton had better not even consider looking past Drew Sat. or their game on Sun. at MMA means nothing. The only question now is whether Scranton can prove they can finally win some big games on the road...they've certainly mastered the loss part recently.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 04, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
I think we all can come to agreement that Drew and Goucher are tied for worst teams in the league. Even though Goucher may have some talent, there lack of coaching skills and knowledge automatically sends them to the bottom of the board (trevino needs a set offense). Remember they did split there games this year, both beat the other on there home court.

Now about the Susquehanna vs. Goucher game this weekend. Last game the Crusaders outrebounded the Gophers 48-35 so the inside is open for them to dominate. Don't bet on an upset here. Again that was Micah Perry's 30-point game and since then he has been a non-factor so basically it was a breakout one time deal to score that many points, especially 7-10 from beyond the arc, no way that he will shoot 70% from 3-point land as Gouchers shooting the ball 30% from beyond the arc on the year. Won't cut it. Look for Patch to explode as there have been rumors floating around that Goucher has the key to stopping him. But then again Player of the Year Candidates always show what they got when it counts. Spencer Spencer will continue streaking.

Prediction Susquehanna- 77    Goucher-53
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
I would like to know what has gotten into this kid Cosgrove.....he has come from nowhere the past few games..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 04, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
Again that was Micah Perry's 30-point game and since then he has been a non-factor so basically it was a breakout one time deal to score that many points, especially 7-10 from beyond the arc, no way that he will shoot 70% from 3-point land as Gouchers shooting the ball 30% from beyond the arc on the year. Won't cut it. Look for Patch to explode as there have been rumors floating around that Goucher has the key to stopping him. But then again Player of the Year Candidates always show what they got when it counts. 

Perry wasn't on the Crusaders' radar the first time around. You're right, don't expect a similar performance this time around.

What is the key Goucher allegedly has to stopping Patch? Kryptonite?  :)

Hey NEPAFAN, I think (hope) it's a case of Cosgrove finally coming into his own. Crusader fans have seen the potential in him since last year, hopefully he's putting the pieces together. Man, that was sports-clichey.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
    We're going to fire up Dmac with all this discussion of the Goucher-Susque matchup. Not looking for Perry to go 7-10 3-ptrs but Boswell is capable of that. Also, not looking for the upset; just saying this is the most likely of the Saturday games to be one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2009, 11:45:24 PM
Hell... not going to fire me up at all! :)

By the way, no reason to have Perry on the Crusaders' radar this time around either. 31 points was like North Korea saying they would give up their nuclear weapon ambitions... a one time occurance. I am not convinced Perry has figured out how to be the best player on the court and for his team. That being said, there are several other guys starting to really come together for the Gophers who are usually in every game. So while not many people expect Susquehanna to get upset, anything is possible - especially on what is actually Senior Night at the SRC (no, Sunday's game will not be Senior Day!).

Finally, too bad Susquehanna and CUA have to play each other this weekend. They are both on the verge of completely eliminating themselves from getting a Pool B or Pool C bid. Just too many in-region losses. Speaking of which, many people are talking about MMA being a really good team. Just an initial thought - I am not that impressed. Though, to be honest, I am not that impressed with any team in this conference this season. CUA may be the one team that I have walked away from the game thinking - they are good or they showed me something.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 10:08:32 AM
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 

I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 10:08:32 AM
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 

I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.
The "harder 'league' schedules" should be reflected in OWP/OOWP.

Other differences in 2009 versus 2008 are:

-- that the weaker NATHC is now Pool A, and took that 4th bid with them.  The Landmark might have the 4th best Pool B this year.

--the Landmark Conference "busted" in the post-season play in 2008.

Post 1258 and following (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1258)

Elms is having another "blow-out" season.  Elms, as a Pool A bid last year, blew out Scranton.  Elms will get a Pool B this year in its new conference.

The Moravian loss (hosting John Jay) was ugly in 2008.

Respectfully, as an outsider looking at this conference, I wonder if the Landmark is not in a prolonged drought.

Northwestern MN will have to prove itself if it gets a Pool B bid, but the B's look prone to being "bumbly", this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
    We're going to fire up Dmac with all this discussion of the Goucher-Susque matchup. Not looking for Perry to go 7-10 3-ptrs but Boswell is capable of that. Also, not looking for the upset; just saying this is the most likely of the Saturday games to be one.


Dmac-please don't get all emotional at Gouchers senior night as we know you love Hakim, because he was suppose to be the next Garrett Smith.  :o

Perry and Boswell are a pair of descent shooters but I see Susquehanna making the adjustments to stop Perry even if he gets hot and to control Boswell if necessary, as he has a tendency to go cold. Spenser Spencer, THE BOY NAMED TWICE, is a freshman who can put a hurting on Goucher. It looks to me that this is the most popular game of the weekend.

To answer the question about the Patch stopper rumor, Goucher Gophers see him as the Crusaders most dangerous threat so they put added attention to details about him on the scouting report which fires up players to stop him because they feel as if he is the best player in the league and they have something to prove. Basically what it will end up to is;pay too much attention to Patch and watch others go off like Cosgrove, Spencer and Company.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2009, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 10:08:32 AM
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 

I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.

Other differences in 2009 versus 2008 are:

--the Landmark Conference "busted" in the post-season play in 2008.

Elms is having another "blow-out" season.  Elms, as a Pool A bid last year, blew out Scranton.  Elms will get a Pool B this year in its new conference.

The Moravian loss (hosting John Jay) was ugly in 2008.

Respectfully, as an outsider looking at this conference, I wonder if the Landmark is not in a prolonged drought.



How does 2008 post season performance affect who is selected in 2009?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Spenser Spencer, THE BOY NAMED TWICE, is a freshman who can put a hurting on Goucher. It looks to me that this is the most popular game of the weekend.

To answer the question about the Patch stopper rumor, Goucher Gophers see him as the Crusaders most dangerous threat so they put added attention to details about him on the scouting report which fires up players to stop him because they feel as if he is the best player in the league and they have something to prove. Basically what it will end up to is;pay too much attention to Patch and watch others go off like Cosgrove, Spencer and Company.

Watch out for Bryan Majors too... he's sneaky. And Matt McDevitt... his name doesn't come up a lot, but he is the third-leading scorer, second-best rebounder, and will steal a few from ya too.

Basically, the Crusaders don't ride one or two stars anymore. You shut one guy down, someone else steps up. They've had random guys have big games throughout the season (Jason Dawson, Brian Kerwin are two that come to mind).

BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
Thanks for the response NEPAFan.

I think that the long-term course of the Landmark has been that weak.

I was willing to concede a conference champion getting a Pool B last year.

Post 1334 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1320)

This year's team should be judged by this year's criteria, but we fans have a hard time changing our perceptions of our favorite teams and conferences.

As I read these posts, I get the impression that these teams are perceived to be better than they currently are.

The regional nature of D3 does preclude assessment of the relative quality until deep into the playoffs.

Maryville TN (and I am no partisan for Maryville) seems to be putting together a good team, albeit too late in the season.  If Maryville were in a Pool A conference with a tourney, I would be wary of them.  They may be the 2nd or 3rd best Pool B at the end of the season.

That being said, the Pool B process looks at the entire season.  We can see how the B's perform again this year.  (They have not gained the "Bumblin B" moniker for nothing.)

I think that the Landmark will get one Pool B bid.  As for the quality of the best 3-4 teams, they may actually be #40-#90.  Unfortunately, that is just below the cut-off for a 60 team bracket.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 11:40:54 AM
I think the Landmark has a chance to get 2 teams in the dance depending upon who wins the playoffs. I think the winner is in hands down and if the runner-up has a better or equal record then maybe that team too. It also could depend on the scoring margin of the championship game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
also--if either Catholic or Susquehanna win out the season they would have 22 wins. That will also get them ranked in the top 20.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)

That is hilarious, if there was an All-conference team for best name he would be a lock. But anyone got any predications on the score for the Goucher-Susquehanna game?

Majors is one of the best point guards in the league and can really dictate the pace of the game and get players involved. McDevitt as well can have breakout games. To be honest though with the lack of a guy inside for Goucher, Cosgrove and Patch should have big games. Goucher wouldn't be bad and probably could be in the top 4 in the league if it wasn't for there coaching style. Worst in the league. 

Susquehanna and Catholic both have a good chance at making it to the tournament. If they both finish with 20 wins and good runs in the playoff they could have an impressive resume.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2009, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)

That is hilarious, if there was an All-conference team for best name he would be a lock. But anyone got any predications on the score for the Goucher-Susquehanna game?

Majors is one of the best point guards in the league and can really dictate the pace of the game and get players involved. McDevitt as well can have breakout games. To be honest though with the lack of a guy inside for Goucher, Cosgrove and Patch should have big games. Goucher wouldn't be bad and probably could be in the top 4 in the league if it wasn't for there coaching style. Worst in the league. 

Susquehanna and Catholic both have a good chance at making it to the tournament. If they both finish with 20 wins and good runs in the playoff they could have an impressive resume.


What is with all the hate for the Goucher coaching staff?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
Well for one thing--its great to see 4 posts or so since my last one not that long ago!  The board is waking up a little bit.

Couple of things--first on Goucher's coaching---look, I'm glad somebody said it.  I want to be polite here, but...I think that program could use some fresh blood.  And I don't think their lack of success can be totally blamed on recruiting and lack of talent, either---they have gotten some very good players over the years.  But I question discipline, commitment, team unity, etc.  That's not always the fault of the coaching staff, but when it keeps happening...

Ralph--interesting posts and I appreciate your thoughts.  I think you have a point, but perhaps take it a little far.  How can a conference in its second year of existence be in a "rut?"  That's an overstatement, isn't it?  Yes, a few of the individual institutions that have been traditionally strong are down a little bit, but year to year that is going to happen.  2 years ago Catholic hosted in the postseason and won a game before running into a ridiculously hot Lincoln team that would take VWU to like triple overtime or something.  But they were cleary competitive and better than a lot of tournament teams.  Obviously they had a down year last year--really their first in over a decade, so I think they're entitled.  The future is pretty bright for the program though--they are a good team this year, and I think they're going to be REALLY good next year.  Although I'm a Catholic partisan I think the others that have seen them wouldn't disagree.

I see Scranton as always competitive.  Depth, size, skill---all the ingredients are there.  I wouldn't discount them.  Merchant Marine is actually a fairly young team too and they're getting good contributions from underclassmen. I could go right down the line, actually...I don't think too many of these teams are going to fall apart over the next couple of years.  So--I guess I don't really get the pessimism for Landmark. 

Now, I'm not saying that's going to translate into more than one bid THIS year...but I think we are all realists as to the quality of these teams.  If nothing else, the league  is proving to be quite competitive.  Maybe the hurts the teams at the top.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
Guys, I realize I have one foot off the Royal bandwagon already & jumping ship would be pretty easy to rationalize given what they've accomplished on the nationial scene (nothing) in the last 5 years...however, it may be just a little premature to write the Royals off just yet.
 Should they sweep this weekend, my hunch is they will then run the table at home vs. Catholic, Goucher & Moravian. In fact, I can't remember the last game they played at the Long Center when the students were there so the old house may be rocking.
 What tends to cast doubt on that scenario is Scranton's recent history of 1.) Not winning huge games on the road by blowing big leads and 2.) Not showing up for big games at home until the second half & the damage has been done.
 History also teaches us that 1.) Susquehanna tends to fall from the face of the earth around this time every year and 2.) regardless how much potential talent Catholic has right now...they are still young & will probably have to sweep at Scranton & Moravian & that is no small task for anyone, especially a pretty young group of kids. All in all...looks like a great stretch run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 04:10:01 PM
Boo, who karma-sniped?  :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2009, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
also--if either Catholic or Susquehanna win out the season they would have 22 wins. That will also get them ranked in the top 20.
Not sure I would jump to put either of these teams in my Top 20. They are good, but from the basketball I have seen so far this season, the Landmark was a better conference last season.

I know many people want to see two teams from the Landmark make the tourney, but I have to agree with Ralph, I just don't see it happening. That is going to require winning out for the most part by more than one team and I don't see the consistency from any team to see more than one making it.

Also, remember one important thing: last year the conference got two bids while there were four Pool B alocations available. This season, it is down to three and with Elms pretty much in control of a Pool B bid, that leaves two bids for the rest of the country. I highly doubt the conference gets both of those bids. And if they don't, the extra team gets placed into Pool C and I don't like their chances with the Midwest, West, Great Lakes, and South region teams also in that fray. And don't forget how upsets in conference tournaments will only add to the challenge.

TPM - I am sure I can handle senior night. This will be my 14th and it has been awhile since I was emotional! :) There was last year's... never mind! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
Well for one thing--its great to see 4 posts or so since my last one not that long ago!  The board is waking up a little bit.

Couple of things--first on Goucher's coaching---look, I'm glad somebody said it.  I want to be polite here, but...I think that program could use some fresh blood.  And I don't think their lack of success can be totally blamed on recruiting and lack of talent, either---they have gotten some very good players over the years.  But I question discipline, commitment, team unity, etc.  That's not always the fault of the coaching staff, but when it keeps happening...

Ralph--interesting posts and I appreciate your thoughts.  I think you have a point, but perhaps take it a little far.  How can a conference in its second year of existence be in a "rut?"  That's an overstatement, isn't it?  Yes, a few of the individual institutions that have been traditionally strong are down a little bit, but year to year that is going to happen.  2 years ago Catholic hosted in the postseason and won a game before running into a ridiculously hot Lincoln team that would take VWU to like triple overtime or something.  But they were cleary competitive and better than a lot of tournament teams.  Obviously they had a down year last year--really their first in over a decade, so I think they're entitled.  The future is pretty bright for the program though--they are a good team this year, and I think they're going to be REALLY good next year.  Although I'm a Catholic partisan I think the others that have seen them wouldn't disagree.

I see Scranton as always competitive.  Depth, size, skill---all the ingredients are there.  I wouldn't discount them.  Merchant Marine is actually a fairly young team too and they're getting good contributions from underclassmen. I could go right down the line, actually...I don't think too many of these teams are going to fall apart over the next couple of years.  So--I guess I don't really get the pessimism for Landmark. 

Now, I'm not saying that's going to translate into more than one bid THIS year...but I think we are all realists as to the quality of these teams.  If nothing else, the league  is proving to be quite competitive.  Maybe the hurts the teams at the top.
Thanks, Matt.

I forgot about the Lincoln-Catholic game.  Lincoln was a real power 2 years ago.

I appreciate your assessment of the Landmark.  As I look at the conference, the schools with the best programs historically do seem to be Catholic and Scranton.

Can those two schools carry the banner for the conference?  Will Susquehanna are any of the others have more success in this conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2009, 11:12:41 PM
[quote
Thanks, Matt.

I forgot about the Lincoln-Catholic game.  Lincoln was a real power 2 years ago.

I appreciate your assessment of the Landmark.  As I look at the conference, the schools with the best programs historically do seem to be Catholic and Scranton.

Can those two schools carry the banner for the conference?  Will Susquehanna are any of the others have more success in this conference?
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Ralph,
   Don't overlook MMA; they have 6 NCAA trips in the last 12 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 06, 2009, 11:11:27 AM
Merchant Marine Academy and Susquehanna are my two picks for the bids. Catholic has a chance but I believe they will get a devastating loss as a result of Goucher. The only success they seem to have is playing at Catholic over the past couple years.

MMA has a handful of young talent. With Izzo Samuel and Hueber being young they can make some noise and be at the top of the league over the next few years. Pat Grace a local Baltimoreohun from Cardinal Gibbons can make it rain, how come Goucher didn't jump on this recruit to bring along with Joel Smith another Gibbons product? Could have been a solid, local talent is always strong but seems to pick other programs...Salisbury, York other CAC teams.

Looks as if the board is getting a little more looks and comments, Good to see. Hopefully the criticism isn't frowned upon as it is just objective points of view expressed on a blog. What else do you expect on a blog, look what Ravens fans write about the Steelers!  >:( Stupid Holmes, go sell drugs.

Looking forward to seeing the matchup Live Susquehanna vs. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2009, 01:28:46 PM
I am looking forward to the match up Sunday afternoon at Kings Point, it will be interesting to see if any of Scranton's 5 seniors can step it up. They didn't steal a road win in Selingsgrove, but if they can do so at Kings Point I think they will be in very good shape.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 07, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
JC over CUA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2009, 10:16:17 PM
As my 2 year old son says...."uh oh."

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
Matt - I agree with your son... CUA's loss is a BIG "uh oh." Especially wth a very tough Susquehanna team coming to town tomorrow afternoon!

I said earlier that I had only been impressed with one team in the conference (CUA) when I saw them... make it two. Susquehanna came out on fire tonight and shot .678 in the first half and never looked back. Goucher shot 31% in the same half but were already looking desperate before the ten minute mark of the first half. Certainly disappointing if you are a Gopher fan because they never had a chance!

Susquehanna's Joel Patch is head-and-shoulders my favorite for Player of the Year. This is a team that is certainly clicking on all cylinders, especially Patch, and they are deep off the bench. Now, maybe I shouldn't be assessing things based on a game against Goucher, but since the Gophers have been in a lot of games (just not winning them) and show success and find another team's weakness... the simple fact they were dominated on all aspects of tonight's game gives me enough information to say Susquehanna is in the driver's seat.

By the way, to show you how much Goucher struggled, especially in the first half, Trevino called three time outs in the first 20 minutes. For anyone who knows Goucher basketball, that is telling you something!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 07, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
So as for POY candidates we all agree I assume on Patch and Banzhaf. Anyone else? I would still say Samuels deserves consideration but maybe thats only because I chose him before the season started.

Side Note- Recruiting at Goucher is an absolute joke.

Innerloop-
Quote from: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 11:40:54 AM
I think the Landmark has a chance to get 2 teams in the dance depending upon who wins the playoffs. I think the winner is in hands down and if the runner-up has a better or equal record then maybe that team too. It also could depend on the scoring margin of the championship game.


or the third place team instead of the conference runner up because that makes sense
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 02:03:39 PM
Scranton plays an ok game at Drew yesterday...pretty typical stuff. The Royals had some good looks & hit some big shots from 3 point land & Luke Hawk & Paul Biagioli pretty much had their way when slashing inside to the basket. A very physical game & the refs let it go...I wonder just how much that may have worn down the Royals for today's battle on the Island?
  Primary area to worry about as it is in every game...will the Royals play a serious defense or just go through the motions. Drew had to score 3/4 of their points in the first half from either layups or 5' jumpers well inside the lane. For the most part, Scranton did very little to pressure the ball downcourt & was content to let the Rangers run a very patient offense with crisp passes, screens & cuts that led to far too many easy buckets.
  Today is the test...can the Royals finally win a Big game on the road? Are they serious about winning or very easily pleased? This game has some major ramifications & if Scranton has any plans for the NCAA's...they'd do themselves a huge favor if they realized that defense is a fairly important aspect of the game & played it for once.
  The mind says go with MMA & the heart wants to believe Scranton can finally win a big one on the road & give the kids something to build upon for the last 3 games all at home. In a good one...Scranton:63/MMA:60.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
This just in from the voice of the Royals...Scranton crushes MMA by about 20 & finally gets the big win on the road they so desperately needed. The team held MMA to 63 pts. & seemed as if there was an actual passion for playing D today.
  Great win...now if Catholic can help out a little by knocking off Susquehanna, the Royals can control their own destiny from this point forward. Should the Royals be able to bottle this effort on both ends of the floor from here on out...they'll be in very good shape. Well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 06:08:29 PM
The Royals get the break they needed...Catholic knocks off Susquehanna by a score of 83/78. Looks like right now there is a 3 way tie for first with Scranton, MMA & Susq. The Royals have Catholic at home next Sat. evening while MMA heads to the Grove. Could be heading for a photo finish.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 08, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
Hey guys, hope your weekend was good! First off Goucher needs a change. I'm tired of supporting a team that is terrible. Susquehanna dominated them and Juniata came in and did what they needed to in the second half. I got more to say tommorow that will state distinct and certain facts and reasons why TREVINO needs to go. Its a catastrophe at the Goucher Mens Basketball program and I'm sorry but I hope Leonard is reading this but YOU GOTTA GO, your time is up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 07, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
Matt - I agree with your son... CUA's loss is a BIG "uh oh." Especially wth a very tough Susquehanna team coming to town tomorrow afternoon!

I said earlier that I had only been impressed with one team in the conference (CUA) when I saw them... make it two. Susquehanna came out on fire tonight and shot .678 in the first half and never looked back. Goucher shot 31% in the same half but were already looking desperate before the ten minute mark of the first half. Certainly disappointing if you are a Gopher fan because they never had a chance!

Susquehanna's Joel Patch is head-and-shoulders my favorite for Player of the Year. This is a team that is certainly clicking on all cylinders, especially Patch, and they are deep off the bench. Now, maybe I shouldn't be assessing things based on a game against Goucher, but since the Gophers have been in a lot of games (just not winning them) and show success and find another team's weakness... the simple fact they were dominated on all aspects of tonight's game gives me enough information to say Susquehanna is in the driver's seat.

By the way, to show you how much Goucher struggled, especially in the first half, Trevino called three time outs in the first 20 minutes. For anyone who knows Goucher basketball, that is telling you something!


Hahaha...I almost think you are trying to get me riled up. 

From today's Catholic-Susquehanna stat sheet:

Joel Patch  18 points 2 rebounds
Jason Banzhaf 26 points 13 rebounds

The last time they played:
Joel Patch 13 points, 10 rebounds
Jason Banzhaf 23 points, 7 rebounds

On the season, league games only, NOT including today:

Joel Patch 17.1 ppg, .549 fg pct, 10.8 rpg
Jason Banzhaf 23.1 ppg, .642 fg pct, 8.6 rpg

C'mon. Patch is a pretty clear #2.  It isn't like there is a giant disparity in the quality of the teams--they split the season series and Catholic's just a game behind them.  Patch is not the offensive player that Jason is.  He's a little bit better rebounder, yes, but...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
Matt - not trying to upset you, just stating my opinion. I have seen Banzhaf and Patch play and I think Patch is the better player - besides on the black and white statistical line. Patch could have scored a TON more against Goucher, except he barely played in the second half (thus why some stats are hard to gauge everything by).

Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2009, 08:46:25 PM
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Standings                                               RS

MMA                8 - 3                                Scranton         4 - 0
Susque            8 - 3                                 Susque          3 - 0
Scranton           8 - 3                                MMA              3 - 1
Catholic           7 - 4                                Catholic          3 - 2
Moravian          4 - 7                                Juniata           3 - 3
Juniata            4 - 7                                Moravian         1 - 2
Goucher           3 - 8                                Goucher          1 - 5
Drew               2 - 9                                Drew               0 - 5

MMA,Sus, Scr clinch playoff spots; CUA magic # is 1 for final spot.
MMA/CUA 1 home game, Sus 2, Scr 3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 01:12:28 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 08, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
Matt - not trying to upset you, just stating my opinion. I have seen Banzhaf and Patch play and I think Patch is the better player - besides on the black and white statistical line. Patch could have scored a TON more against Goucher, except he barely played in the second half (thus why some stats are hard to gauge everything by).

Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

I know you aren't, I was kidding around.

But with respect--neither of us are really in a position to judge based on what we've seen with our own eyes.   You've seen Patch and Banzhaf play once.  Perhaps in the one game you saw him, Patch was better than Banzhaf--I don't know--but you can't discount an entire season's worth of statistics which are cleary pointing one way in favor of what you might have seen in one particular game.  Of course, you are entitled to your opinion! 

I have confidence that the coaches who have seen each team twice and watched all the tape--will get this one right.  Which won't stop me from reminding people of the facts!

I'd rather  be worrying about Catholic in the playoffs though.  Anything can still happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up.

Good call, TPM.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 09, 2009, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 08, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

And that's why it's "Player of the Year" and not "Highest Stats of the Year."  :)

(Matt, not trying to rile you up either, and lord knows I'm not qualified to judge, just like seeing some love for my SU boy.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 09, 2009, 09:53:32 AM
I HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE SUNDAY GAME. BANZHAF HAS A REAL KNACK OF KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE HE IS 6 FEET FROM THE BASKET. THE LEFT HANDED OFF GUARD DID A NICE JOB. REED TOOK SOME BAD SHOTS BUT SEEMS LIKE A TOUGH KID. THE DIXON KID PLAYED OUT OF CONTROL. THE REDHEAD PLAYED WELL IN THE FIRST HALF. 23 LOOKS LIKE A GOOD SHOOTER BUT COULDN'T GET OPEN. 22 MAKES THE TEAM CLICK. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY COACHES ON A CATHOLIC BENCH BEFORE. THEY MUST VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME. THE SPENCER SPENCER KID IS THE REAL DEAL. THERE IS MY 2 BITS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 09, 2009, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 08, 2009, 08:01:28 PM
Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

And that's why it's "Player of the Year" and not "Highest Stats of the Year."  :)

(Matt, not trying to rile you up either, and lord knows I'm not qualified to judge, just like seeing some love for my SU boy.)

I don't blame you!  He deserves some love.

I know we have had this debate before, but I would argue that it is tougher being the "the guy" that every team knows they have to stop every single night.  From the moment the games start, teams double Jason--I love the other guys on the team but let's face it, right now there are not a ton of other scoring options.  So to do what he does every night--with the opposing team all over him--to me, anyway, makes it all the more impressive.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 05:05:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2009, 05:05:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.

Ronk,

No broadcasters, just video. Interesting concept, not sure if I would prefer it over just audio. Everytime there was a timeout they just video taped the scoreboard. Take aways from video and no audio was Luke Hawk's ability to take the ball to the hoop with success, if Scranton has an open three anyone on the team is confident to take the shot, an impressive flurry where Scranton took the commanding lead in the 2nd Half (everything was going in) and a nice contigent of Royal fans behind the Scranton bench. As I said before , I saw Danzig get T'd up mid way into the 1st half.

How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?
Does anyone, especially living closer to Washington, D.C., have a pin? I think we may need to deflate an ever enlarging head of my good friend Matt!!! :)

NEPAFAN - didn't your team already play the Player of the Year? Patch! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 09, 2009, 07:22:09 PM
It has been 4 consecutive losing seasons for Leonard Trevino's Goucher Gophers. When will the bleeding stop in Towson, MD. It isn't the lack of talent as one blogger mentioned that the recruiting at Goucher is a joke. I wouldn't say it's an absolute joke, but there are certain reasons to lead people to believe that it is.  This is at the fault of Trevino's inability to develop and maintain talented players that have the necessary skills to be a productive .500 or better ballclub. A good coach can take a team that is lacking talent and make them overachieve; a great coach can take loads of talent and concentrate on the strengths of the individual players to come together to work in his favor to produce a winning team. Trevino has failed miserably over the past 4 years and as our Country has elected for change, I believe that the Goucher Gophers should do the same. Ask him to resign or fire him for his lack of success. Change is inevitable and in this instance it is necessary if the Goucher Men's Basketball program wants to win again. They need a change for the better of the program and its supporters. I know for a fact I wouldn't tolerate 4 straight losing seasons from any coach no matter how many years he has put in. It's not just losing seasons but struggling to get to 6 or 7 wins a year and remaining at the bottom of the standings, unacceptable. Trevino has been terrible over the past 4 seasons and it's unfortunate that talented players have had miserable losing seasons at the feet of his incompetent coaching ability and strategies. HE HAS TO GO, VOTE FOR CHANGE.


I'm still sticking with Joel Patch as player of the year. I saw him this weekend dominate. He had 23 points at one point while the entire Goucher team had a total of 21. Pretty convincing performance I would say when you could have beaten a team by yourself if you would have played all 40 minutes. He's a lock sorry Banzhaf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2009, 05:05:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.

Ronk,

No broadcaster's, just video. Interesting concept, not sure if I would prefer it over just audio. Everytime there was a timeout they just video taped the scoreboard. Take aways from video and no audio was Luke Hawk's ability to take the ball to the hoop with success, if Scranton has an open three anyone on the team is confident to take the shot, an impressive flurry where Scranton took the commanding lead in the 2nd Half (everything was going in) and a nice contigent of Royal fans behind the Scranton bench. As I said before , I saw Danzig get T'd up mid way into the 1st half.

How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?

   That's the way Juniata and Muhlenberg do their videocasts. Too bad D3hoops didn't mention that the video was available on their home page.
   As for Banzhaf, we'll see if 1 more bigger body(Paul Hawk) being available or a box-and-one will make a difference. You don't want the star to beat you. Make one of the lesser players try and beat you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
ronk - D3hoops.com needs to be made aware by SIDs (or whoever is updating information for those schools) that those games are being broadcast on video. We certainly do our best to look around for what might be video/audio/live stat games, but there needs to be a responsibility on the athletic programs to promote themselves. You and everyone else can't expect Pat, Gordon, and myself (along with some others) to find every video/audio/live stats games in the country when at least 400 or so games are being played on a Saturday. It is also even more difficult when some organizations are "experimenting" with the idea of broadcasting and are either not consistent or gave up too easily (i.e. Goucher - my alma mater). And it is tough when some schools websites aren't even being updated with this kind of information at times.

I suggest that if Juniata and Muhlenberg are serious or want to point out to their fans that there is live video and such... then take it upon themselves to contact D3hoops.com or add the link to the site themselves. I know the SIDs have access to update their schedules, since they do put their schedules in and post final scores and sometimes mid-game updates. Thus, links for additional resources like video, audio, and live stats can be added well for games that day or any game on their schedule!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 09:33:41 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 09, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
ronk - D3hoops.com needs to be made aware by SIDs (or whoever is updating information for those schools) that those games are being broadcast on video. We certainly do our best to look around for what might be video/audio/live stat games, but there needs to be a responsibility on the athletic programs to promote themselves. You and everyone else can't expect Pat, Gordon, and myself (along with some others) to find every video/audio/live stats games in the country when at least 400 or so games are being played on a Saturday. It is also even more difficult when some organizations are "experimenting" with the idea of broadcasting and are either not consistent or gave up too easily (i.e. Goucher - my alma mater). And it is tough when some schools websites aren't even being updated with this kind of information at times.

I suggest that if Juniata and Muhlenberg are serious or want to point out to their fans that there is live video and such... then take it upon themselves to contact D3hoops.com or add the link to the site themselves. I know the SIDs have access to update their schedules, since they do put their schedules in and post final scores and sometimes mid-game updates. Thus, links for additional resources like video, audio, and live stats can be added well for games that day or any game on their schedule!

Dmac,
    Sounds good to me; I appreciate that D3hoops does what it can along these lines.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
This is timely:

Jason Banzhaf Earns 4th Player of the Week Award, 3rd in Last 4 Weeks

February 9, 2009

WASHINGTON-- Jason Banzhaf (Livingston, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) earned his fourth Landmark Conference men's basketball Player of the Week award this week after shooting 70 percent from the field and 66.7 percent from three-point range.

Banzhaf earns the honor for the second-straight week and for the third time in four weeks, after a pair of stellar performances. In Sunday's win over Susquehanna he poured in 26 points while grabbing 12 rebounds. This came after a 25-point, 13-rebound effort in a loss to Juniata.  He averaged 25.5 points and 12.5 rebounds for the week.

______
Jason went for 22 and 8 against Scranton last time.  A lot of that was at the line--so I'm sure Scranton will try hard to deny the ball inside to him.  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

That's a tough place to play and an even tougher place to win. 

As for POY--the difference is that Susquehanna has another major scoring option in Spenser Squared.  Catholic doesn't.  It cuts both ways, because it may take away some points from Patch, but its also a lot easier to do damage when teams are worrying about somebody else.   When teams play the Cardinals, its stop Jason--period. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 11:01:57 PM

That's a tough place to play and an even tougher place to win. 



Hopefully some students actually show up for the game...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
Jason went for 22 and 8 against Scranton last time.  A lot of that was at the line--so I'm sure Scranton will try hard to deny the ball inside to him.  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

As for POY--the difference is that Susquehanna has another major scoring option in Spenser Squared.  Catholic doesn't.  It cuts both ways, because it may take away some points from Patch, but its also a lot easier to do damage when teams are worrying about somebody else.   When teams play the Cardinals, its stop Jason--period. 

Not in any particular order, but all those MVP awards Michael Jordan won was only because he had Scottie Pippen scoring alongside of him?

As for Banzhaf being the best player ever to wear a Catholic uniform.....never mind. You know you're the King of useless posts.
INCREDIBLE!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2009, 11:08:29 AM
CC,

Where have you been - the Super Bowl? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 10, 2009, 11:08:29 AM
CC,

Where have you been - the Super Bowl? 

Yeah right, I don't make your salary. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 10, 2009, 11:28:13 AM
This is a huge weekend for the Player of the Year Race. If Banzhaf can go to Scranton and post a big game and get a W then he may move slightly ahead of Patch for the moment. My prediction is that Scranton will Win the game, Cathlic will then go to Moravian and beat them to split the weekend. Banzhaf I believe will struggle at Scranton as it is a tough place to play so don't expect big numbers from him that night. If he was on my fantasy team I would bench him that night because after a huge weekend Scranton will pay particular close attention to him at all times.

Patch on the other hand has 2 home games. MMA is big and if he has a big night against them he could go back to back games producing solid numbers, the 2nd game is against Drew and since Goucher and Drew are the two worst teams in the conference as we came to agreement  :D. I expect the same numbers against Drew as Patch produced against the Gophers.

Scranton over Catholic; Scranton over Goucher
Catholic over Moravian; Moravian over Goucher
Susquehanna over MMA; Susquehanna crushing Drew
Juniata over MMA; Juniata over Drew
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 11:55:33 AM


Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 10, 2009, 12:04:12 PM
tpm, Sunday (Drew) is also Susquehanna's Senior Day, so hopefully Patch has some extra oomph to shine in his home *regular season* finale.

Matt, you're right, the race is too tight to be worrying about POY talk - although I am enjoying that discussion. There's a three-way tie for first right now and home-court advantage is going to be huge for the playoffs, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2009, 08:13:38 PM
   That's the way Juniata and Muhlenberg do their videocasts. Too bad D3hoops didn't mention that the video was available on their home page.

Landmark schools, since their league is a PrestoSports member, especially should be loading all audio, video and live stats links into the Presto system. That puts them on the conference's Web site as well as ours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2009, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 11:55:33 AM


Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!
Matt - I would argue that Dwyer was better now than Banzhaf (though, I think Dwyer didn't continue to get better through his senior year - more like just plateaued out) and I think Hilleary might have been better now. The difference is, Banzhaf HAS to produce now since they don't have a lot of other weapons. The other three had other options around them so they didn't have to shoulder the entire load. Sure, Banzhaf has certainly done well with that load, but to say he was better then teams that didn't need a sophomore to step-up might be a stretch of a comparison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 11:55:33 AM

Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!

First of all, Banzah wouldn't even make the roster of some Catholic teams of the past. You forget CU was D-I until the school de-emphasized it's athletic programs after the 1980-81 season.
With that being said, the best player in school history was Bobby Adrion, bar none. This kid was one of the best in the country (there were no D-II or III schools) and if freshmen were eligible when he played, God knows how many more points he would have had.
They also a kid named Glenn Kolonicks, who I saw play in Scranton's Holiday Tourney one year. He can play with anyone as well.
Heck, Billy Dankos, who had ties up this way, was an outstanding player and he scored over a 1,000 points with nobody playing alongside him. And yes, that was in D-I.
Banzhaf may be a good D-III player, but don't compare him to what CU once had. That's an insult.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2009, 04:23:24 PM
Oh, relax cold_case -- I don't think anyone meant to compare him to a D-I player. Untwist those knickers. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 04:25:33 PM
Matt,

I am having deja vu. Wasn't last year your campaign for Banzhaf to be Rookie of the Year?

Is Luke Hawk eligble for Rookie of the Year this year? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
[quote author=Matt Letourneau link=topic=5121.msg1029463#msg1029463  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

   Since Matt's only a few years out of CU, he hasn't seen any of the guys CC mentions; that's why he limited it to the recent years. Bob Adrion was a very good one, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
NEPAFAN: Great point...wonder what the actual answer is? As those familiar with the Royals are aware, Luke is a soph. with freshman eligability due to last seasons knee injury just prior to the start of school.
  If he is allowed to be in the running, I haven't seen too many other freshmen that are any better. I say he's certainly in the mix for the Banzhoff Award. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 10, 2009, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 10, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I say he's certainly in the mix for the Banzhoff Award. ;)

If Spenser Spencer wins it this year, can we call it the Casanova Award?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
[quote author=Matt Letourneau link=topic=5121.msg1029463#msg1029463  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

   Since Matt's only a few years out of CU, he hasn't seen any of the guys CC mentions; that's why he limited it to the recent years. Bob Adrion was a very good one, though.

Ha..more than a few, sadly--put it this way--more than a Senate term!

No, obviously I'm not comparing him to D1 players!  But there is absolutely, positively, no way that Pat Dwyer was better than Banzhaf as a sophomore.  I like Pat Dwyer plenty, but...forget it.  Not even close.  For one thing, Pat was like Shaq at the line, which was a huge liability for a big man.  And he wasn't really that big--he wasn't a bruiser inside, and he wasn't a good enough shooter to play outside.  He was decent at both, and he had very good intangibles.  But...no.

Part of this as you say D-Mac is what you see---the only Catholic big man I've seen that was so fluid underneath was Morley, but Morley didn't develop range until he was an upperclassman.  Nobody was a bigger fan of those players than me, but...it is what it is.  I'm not the only one who follows Catholic bball closely to have that opinion, either.  I know, I've talked about it with others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 10, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Its quite obvious that this player of the year race is a 2 man sprint to see who puts in work and produces not only for himself but for his team...its key that the POY should make others around him better and raise the levels his supporting cast.

Honestly though, not taking away from Banzhaf of Patch because I believe they are good ball players.  But in the CAC conference, from which Goucher and Catholic came from, these guys would be role players on some teams within that conference. I don't believe that these guys would be in the same categorie as a Chad McGowan or Garret Smith. Really I wouldn't even put them that close to a Tyson Leseme from St. Marys, Ray Williams from Salisbury or Robert Haney Jr. from Galluadet. They would be maybe 2nd team picks, MAYBE
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2009, 01:58:39 AM
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2009, 01:58:39 AM
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.
I think TPM has a point... though it is tough to compare. I think some of CAC players he mentioned would still be leading their teams if they played in the Landmark and if they played with Banzhaf and Patch, those two would be more like "Scottie Pippens" in comparison. Still good players, but more of a second choice to compliment the others.

As for your thought about McGowan compared to Banzhaf... again I remind you, Matt, that making that comparison isn't exactly fair to either player. Banzhaf has to be the man on this team; there aren't many other options. McGowan was on a team with plenty of other options both inside and outside, so he didn't have to be "the man" during his sophomore year. That being said, he still contributed. Sure, he doesn't come close to having the same numbers - again, because he wasn't an option the team needed - but he was still pretty darn good. I would say at least equal to Banzhaf, if not a bit better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 11, 2009, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2009, 01:58:39 AM
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.


Matt, totally agree with you about those guys not being big # producers as  Banzhaf has been during his sophmore run.  Only from a numbers standpoint. Numbers look good on Paper but don't really matter if you don't win games. We will see if Banzhaf can come up big this weekend to produce wins. I'm not knocking the Landmark at all because they did produce 2 great teams last year that went to the NCAA tourny but I do believe from a talent perspective and overall skill level that many 1st and 2nd team picks from the CAC would surpass Patch and Banzhaf in this conference this year. But who knows, I would compare CAC talents to Josh Robinson from Susquehanna last year who was dominant and unstoppable at times.

Duke vs. UNC tonight who ya pickin?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 11, 2009, 10:38:27 AM
I also have a few roots in the CAC and have to agree with Matt - top to bottom, the Landmark is better. I see more consistency in the Landmark in terms of team play.

Patch and Banzhaf *might have* been second-team picks in the CAC, but it's more of a flash over substance thing. (The Iverson comparison is a good one.) And they are surrounded by better "supporting casts" than some of those CAC guys were.

I'll take the Dukies tonight, just 'cause the game is in Cameron.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 11, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
I really can't see anyone beating out Banzah for the POY award. He has carried CUA on his back. It ashame that nobody gives anyone else on the team any credit. Yes, there are no consistent other scorers, but somebody different has stepped up at different times. They have 16 wins and they will probably end up with at least 18 maybe 20. Alot of coaches and players would like to be in their position right now!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
Mr. Spencer is a good choice for Rookie of the Year...didn't know Susq recruited in the Pacific Northwest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2009, 06:38:22 PM
Duke! Dickey V will lose his voice tonight baby.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 11, 2009, 11:37:57 PM
POY-I'm gonna say Banzhaf but if SU wins the regular season maybe Patch. I think a lot depends how these last 3 games go. I think this weekend Banzhaf is going against the best individual post defender the last 2 years in the Landmark in Paul Hawk, and @ Scranton he will not be getting the help to the free throw line that he did at CUA. If he performs well this weekend he would be my choice.

ROY-Spencer Spencer.... 5th in scoring in the conference has played huge down the stretch

COY-Howes.... to have the season they did with as much as they lost and as young as they are very impressive.

As for Banzhaf he is having statistically a better year then McGowan as sophomores. JB 21.4 ppg 7.8 rbg where as McGowan was approx 16-17ppg and 6 rbg. IMO Chad was the go to player for York that year despite having Bushey, Lee, Zerfing, and others. With all the talent around him Chad didn't have to deal with constant double-triple teams that JB faces. It works both ways Chad didn't get as many looks but he also didnt face the same pressures and attention that JB faces this year. I don't think JB is the same athlete Chad is/was but to say he wouldnt be a deserving player of All Conf 1st team is not fair. JB will be an Hon Mention Pre Season AA next year and who knows if CUA makes a run into the tourney could get AA status this year (I wouldn't hold my breath for this one personally). I think both he and Patch will be All Region players this year either 1st or 2nd team.

All Conf Picks
JB
Patch
Dave Thompson
Ryan Samuel
Biagioli or Ashworth maybe both
Dada
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2009, 02:37:54 PM
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 12, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Dada I believe plays for Goucher aka Darrin Bosewell. I doubt any Goucher players will make 1st team. If Jon Garritt and James Russo couldn't make first team with there numbers they put up then there is no way. Sorry
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2009, 05:00:39 PM
tpm - you don't think Micah Perry will make first team with that 31 point performance??? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 12, 2009, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 12, 2009, 05:00:39 PM
tpm - you don't think Micah Perry will make first team with that 31 point performance??? :)

Dave:  ;D ;D ;D I just got done with dinner and I just saw your question and starting laughing hysterically. Micah Perry should make the potential-team to breakout (not acne) for NEXT YEAR, at least now he will be listed on other teams scouting reports as a THREAT TO BREAKOUT ONCE, key word ONCE. Even though the 31 point performance was impressive, the consistency for a 1st team performer was lacking. But who knows the SID's in the league may like his hair, DREDS!  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 12, 2009, 08:34:56 PM
The SID's pick the all-conference team?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 13, 2009, 02:15:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2009, 02:37:54 PM
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?

Darrin Boswell aka dada I apologize for that one. Chances are he won't be an all conf 1st team pick but potentially 2nd team. Thought I would just put his name into the mix.

Dave Thompson is from Juniata. 3rd leading scorer in the Landmark. For this to happen JC needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, but prob more realistically win out if he is to get 1st team status.

Samuel(s;not sure if there is an s at the end) is from Merch Marine. He is the best PG in the conference. Avg's 10-11ppg 4-5 assts and I would bet around 3 rebs. He is what makes that team go.

You figure there will be 2 from Scranton (Ashworth Fitzpatrick or Biagioli), 1 from each of the other top 3 (so Banzhaf, Patch, and Samuel) which leaves one more spot. My personal vote would go to Thompson.

There is also a DPOY. Who would that be in the Conf this year? I would guess Hawk with nearly 3 blks 4 def rpg and 1.15 steals a game
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on February 13, 2009, 02:15:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2009, 02:37:54 PM
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?

Darrin Boswell aka dada I apologize for that one. Chances are he won't be an all conf 1st team pick but potentially 2nd team. Thought I would just put his name into the mix.

Dave Thompson is from Juniata. 3rd leading scorer in the Landmark. For this to happen JC needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, but prob more realistically win out if he is to get 1st team status.

Samuel(s;not sure if there is an s at the end) is from Merch Marine. He is the best PG in the conference. Avg's 10-11ppg 4-5 assts and I would bet around 3 rebs. He is what makes that team go.

You figure there will be 2 from Scranton (Ashworth Fitzpatrick or Biagioli), 1 from each of the other top 3 (so Banzhaf, Patch, and Samuel) which leaves one more spot. My personal vote would go to Thompson.

There is also a DPOY. Who would that be in the Conf this year? I would guess Hawk with nearly 3 blks 4 def rpg and 1.15 steals a game

Thanks for the clarification.


Agreed, Hawk is the DPOY and hopefully he plays like it on Saturday Night at the Long Center. Fitzpatrick has cooled off a bit down the stretch, but see him in the mix for 1st or 2nd team.

I still think it is too early to name a Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 12, 2009, 08:34:56 PM
The SID's pick the all-conference team?

Nope, coaches do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 13, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
I think Coach of the Year should be Leanord Trevino BAAAAA HAHA HAHA HAHA AHHHHHH ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D I joke, I joke
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 02:32:38 PM
A little motivation?


Scranton, USMMA, and Susquehanna have clinched three of the four berths for the upcoming Landmark Conference tournament, which begins on Wednesday, Febraury 25, with semifinal action at the site of the number one and two seeds.
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
NEPAFAN: So, what's your take? Do the Royals go 3-0, 2-1, 1-2 or 0-3?
  I don't see 0-3 being realistic especially at the Long Center...however, the other 3 choices have some degree of merit. Should the Royals defeat Catholic tomorrow, I think their chances to run the table go up considerably.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 02:32:38 PM
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.

Go Catholic!  ;) (sorry, I want homecourt for SU, of course)

Do we have a full breakdown of the playoff scenarios, or just Scranton's? I know Susquehanna has a tough matchup tomorrow with USMMA, then Drew Sunday, and then they have to go to Juniata next weekend which is never easy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
I don't have the other Landmark scenarios, that was from a Scranton release. I was unaware that if they win out they clinch the 1 seed.


Saratoga:  I can see them losing to Catholic or Moravian next weekend...(2-1)..although I think they might be coming together at the right time as evident in the USMMA game. Does your friend still think never has so little been done with so much?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 03:43:05 PM
NEPAFAN: Haven't discussed it lately but, I'm sure he does. He's a Bess fan through & through & is not sold in any way on the current leadership. Still feels Bess should have picked his time etc.etc. Not sure Coach Danzig ever really had a chance in their eyes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..

I don't think it's appropriate to be discussing anyone's pms.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 01:01:53 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 02:32:38 PM
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.

Go Catholic!  ;) (sorry, I want homecourt for SU, of course)

Do we have a full breakdown of the playoff scenarios, or just Scranton's? I know Susquehanna has a tough matchup tomorrow with USMMA, then Drew Sunday, and then they have to go to Juniata next weekend which is never easy.

    Today is the last of the matchups between playoff contenders(Sus/MMA & Scr/CUA), so head-head results will be known then. Right now, Scr wins vs. MMA, MMA potentially wins vs. Sus and CUA likewise vs. Scr with wins today. Then who you tie with will be affected by the final 2 games with the non-playoff teams.
    Scranton, currently with a loss to Moravian, has the fewest losses in games between playoff contenders and that is why they would have 1st seed winning out. It should be clearer after today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2009, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..

I don't think it's appropriate to be discussing anyone's pms.


Ha....I think all the PMSing is going on over on the Women's Board...and no I am not making a joke.. ;D

Edit: So I don't get banned for life, I was refering to the Saratoga/Pat Coleman debate on Regional Rankings...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2009, 03:09:45 PM
So what's the best way to follow tonight's Catholic-Scranton game on the web?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 14, 2009, 03:22:35 PM
I believe Scranton has live radio via there website but I'm not to sure of it. I think they have live stats def. though
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 14, 2009, 03:58:50 PM
Live audio: http://www.susqu.edu/orgs/wqsu-fm/stream.html
and live stats: http://www.susqu.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm
for anyone interested in the action in Selinsgrove today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 07:11:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2009, 03:09:45 PM
So what's the best way to follow tonight's Catholic-Scranton game on the web?
Matt,
    For audio, click on the A of CUA/Scr on D3hoops home page or go to scranton.edu and search for WUSR.
   Moravian is supposed to be doing video today and tomorrow,but I haven't been able to get past buffering today
   Lady Cards give Royals all sorts of trouble but fall in a close one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 14, 2009, 09:14:30 PM
Susquehanna ekes one out over Merchant Marine, 58-55. How'd Scranton-Catholic end? last I heard Scranton was up two with about four to play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2009, 09:29:49 PM
Scranton won, don't know what happened.  Seemed like a tight game the whole time. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 11:37:50 PM
   With Moravian eliminated today, I believe Catholic has clinched the final playoff spot. If CUA & Juniata finish 7-7, CUA should win tiebreaker by having a better record vs. Scranton @ 1-1 than Juniata's 0-2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 15, 2009, 09:15:22 AM
Joel Patch is, I believe, one game away from clinching Player of the Year. With a solid 18 and 9 performance last night he may have solidified himself as the guaranteed winner of the POY for the Landmark. Drew is the worst team in the league so expect patch to have big numbers again tonight, especially with it being the senior game. He may even break 1,000 points today.

The reason why he leads the race is because Banzhaf lost last night and couldn't propel his team to victory. His numbers were down just as I expected them to be. GUESS I WAS RIGHT, THANK GOD I BENCHED HIM ON MY FANTASY TEAM BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN WITH SCRANTON as I mentioned in an early blog. Goucher will get crushed today by Scranton, 2nd day, 4pm start, not enough rest, plus Scranton is undefeated at home this year in the Landmark.

POY 2009- Patch
POY 2010- Banzhaf (sit and wait till next year, he's only a sophmore and has the chance to post back to back POY runs his junior and senior year, wait his turn basically.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2009, 01:38:08 PM
I am not sure what happened with Banzhaf, but sounds like Paul Hawk and company played some good defense....nice write up in the Scranton Times for a change...



Persistent Royals to Much For Catholic

http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2009/02/15/sports/sc_times_trib.20090215.c.pg1.tt15column_s1.2306751_spo.txt
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2009, 06:26:24 PM
May I ask, tpm, exactly who did you have on your fantasy bench that put up more than 12?  You must have a pretty deep team.

I don't know what happened either---Reed's numbers were way up, so I suspect Catholic went to him more often.  Take a look at Hawk's numbers last night--he did virtually nothing--so apparently Jason played some damned good D.

Of course, Patch had a similar game against Catholic earlier, so I would assume that's eliminated from consideration, right tpm?



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Paul Hawk is only averging 6 points a game, so don't pat your boy on his back too much!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2009, 07:01:34 PM
I know--and I imagine he had a lot of help keeping  Jason off the scoreboard.

I was just being a little tongue in cheek for my pal tpm who is being a little bit ridiculous.  I think Jason's still clearly the POY, but even if you don't, it still has to be a close call, and its a little hard for me to take seriously the notion that its a slam dunk for somebody else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 15, 2009, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2009, 07:01:34 PM
I know--and I imagine he had a lot of help keeping  Jason off the scoreboard.

I was just being a little tongue in cheek for my pal tpm who is being a little bit ridiculous.  I think Jason's still clearly the POY, but even if you don't, it still has to be a close call, and its a little hard for me to take seriously the notion that its a slam dunk for somebody else.


matt you are BIASED, sorry about the loss today to Moravian haha don't blow another home loss to Trevino's sorry team again next weekend. I'm not hinting its a lock but I would say its clearly about 75% in Patchs hands. So again sorry to Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2009, 10:36:40 PM

Standings                                               RS

Scranton         10 - 3                                Scranton         4 - 0
Susque           10 - 3                                 Susque          3 - 0
MMA                9 - 4                                 MMA              4 - 1
Catholic           7 - 6                                Catholic          3 - 2
Moravian          5 - 8                                Juniata           3 - 4
Juniata            5 - 8                                Moravian         1 - 3
Goucher           4 - 9                                Goucher          2 - 5
Drew               2 - 11                               Drew              0 - 5

MMA clinches 3rd seed;CUA 4th; Scranton - 1st under 3/4 outcomes for next weekend's games; only one where it's 2nd is Sus win and Scr loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 16, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
Had an opportunity to watch the 2nd half and OT of the JC v. Merch Marine game online. Very exciting finish. Samuel was extremely impressive. Basically he won the game along with some untimely turnovers by JC not least of which came in OT. With the game tied following two missed freethrows by Merch Marine JC came down and turned it over after crossing midcourt. They fouled, MM hit two freethrows, JC came down and either didn't get a shot off or it was blocked couldn't tell with how choppy it was online. Was impressed with how resilient Merch Marine was. Was a very well played game by both teams just MM made one more play in the end.

JB rebounded nicely today, but the team is limping to the finish here. Reminds me a lot of Moravian last season. Still like JB Matt so you aren't alone.

SU had a nice balanced game from everyone it looks like. On top of Patch being a great player, he is also a great student. Academic AA and All District I think with a 3.68 gpa. True student athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
Yeah, Jason had 24 today and tried to carry his team back.

Really, it was one hell of an effort--never should have happened but CUA opened the game ice cold and were down 24-6 at one point and 45-22 at halftime.  Ugly.

But you know--I'll give those guys credit.  It would have been easy to quit and go through the motions, but they somehow got the game to 7 with a minute left.  Shot 29% in the first half, 62% in the second. 

They're just really young, and down the stretch its hurt them I guess.  It wasn't like they got blown out at Scranton--in fact they had a narrow lead most of the second half.  Couldn't quite finish.  I'd watch out for them next year.

Even as a four seed---if they put it all together they could knock of Scranton and Susquehanna.  Not saying they will, but its within the realm of possiblities.  Problem is, Scranton is 10-0 at home this season.  One hell of a home court advantage--at least statistically, they are a mediocre team on the road, and fantastic at home. 

Kind of makes you wonder...awfully big free throw discrepancy home v. road.  Just saying....   :-X

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 16, 2009, 11:42:04 AM
Quote from: bballfan10 on February 16, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
SU had a nice balanced game from everyone it looks like. On top of Patch being a great player, he is also a great student. Academic AA and All District I think with a 3.68 gpa. True student athlete.

Should have heard his "resume" during senior intros yesterday... probably took about 10 minutes! (j/k)  :)

I was hoping to see him get to 1,000 points yesterday; he's 9 away. He registered his 13th double-double of the season. Cosgrove had a big game with 15/10. But overall, as bballfan10 mentioned, very balanced game. That's why I like this team's chances in the postseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2009, 02:43:49 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
Kind of makes you wonder...awfully big free throw discrepancy home v. road.  Just saying....   :-X




More tongue in cheek?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 04:12:13 PM
Well the winking smiley face should probably give you a hint...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2009, 05:34:37 PM
That is your winking smiley face?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
Two good wins over the weekend for the Royals...both games ending up probably closer than they needed to be. In typical Scranton fashion, seemed unprepaired for Catholic from the tip & found themselves down 10 early & had to regroup. Seemed as though they were taken by surprise with the Catholic intensity...not sure why since they are also fighting for a higher seed.
  The Goucher game is the one that worries me. Scranton was up by generally 20 throughout the 1st. half & honestly there were at least two trips on the defensive end that only one kid from Goucher even attempted to get back in the last minute. They just stopped playing the last 2 possesions & let the half end with the Royals up 22 or 23. All Scranton had to do was come out like they were only up 1 in those first 5 minutes & it would have been over. Instead, sloppy passes, minimal D, crazy shots & the next thing you know it's now down to 15. The Royals then stop attacking at the 10 minute mark which leads to a few more turnovers & rushed shots & Goucher starts driving the lane & scoring which then sets up their kick outs which start falling & they cut it to 8 & then Scranton got a couple of stops & Goucher ran out of gas & time. If they (Goucher) decided to play in the 1st. half with the passion they did in the 2nd. who knows.
  The big worry with the Royals is their general lack of interest in playing defense for 40 minutes. As was demonstrated yesterday, Scranton can get away with these break downs against certain teams however, try that against NCAA tournament teams & once again they'll be packing quicker than they can say Elms.
  In an unrelated matter...what is up with the lack of student support for this team? If it were not for alunmni & those from the area they may have not had 150 students there. In fact, there had to be at least 200/300 MORE at the Lady Royal game that then left prior to the start of the mens game. Talk about some serious disconnect with the fan base. Seems like the AD & SID better come up with a marketing plan because this lack of internal support is very serious...actually it boarders on unacceptable. It wasn't that long ago that if you were not in the Long Center at least 1/2 hour before games around playoff time, you weren't getting in. Perhaps cases of Becks to the first 2,000 students will get things going.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
Oh, well I thought it was.  Its a little tough to tell when you're doing it.

BTW--I do think Scranton probably gets some calls up there, and it might be a little bit worse than some places (everybody gets calls at home, bu I've heard from other players and coaches that they think its a little worse up there than most places--and not just CUA people!).  But I have no foundation to really make that accusation, I was just stirring up the pot a little bit!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 17, 2009, 08:57:36 AM
I'm so glad we've moved on from the POY fight to winking smilies.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 17, 2009, 09:23:06 AM
 ;D Here's a smiley face thought for you guys. Catholic will have the worst end of the season downfall in the conference this year. Losing two games last weekend and they will lose to Goucher this weekend. dropping 3 straight going into the tourny isn't good Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2009, 01:45:42 PM
First of all, I don't think they will lose to Goucher. 

They had a end of season road trip.  They are a young team under pressure. 

To be honest, even if they don't win a game this year, they exceeded my expectations.  Go back to the beginning of the year and look at what I wrote.  They were a 10 win team last year, and they lost several of their better young players like Wes Parker.  As of now, they've won 6 more games, and they are going to continue to get better. 

I always thought that next year is the year they will really make the leap, assuming they can keep the current roster together. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2009, 06:05:14 PM
You get Kings or Wilkes at the Long Center and maybe you'll get some more fannys in the seats. Hard to get students out on Valentine's Day night and a Sunday afternoon.


I would have like to see some more use of the bench versus Goucher, these kids are going to get tired during back to back games, especially in what was a tough contest against the Catholic Banzhaf's ( I mean Cardinals)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2009, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2009, 06:05:14 PM
You get Kings or Wilkes at the Long Center and maybe you'll get some more fannys in the seats. Hard to get students out on Valentine's Day night and a Sunday afternoon.
I would have like to see some more use of the bench versus Goucher, these kids are going to get tired during back to back games, especially in what was a tough contest against the Catholic Banzhaf's ( I mean Cardinals)!

When did Catholic change their name to the Cardinals? Hmmm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 18, 2009, 12:35:12 PM
Here is why the Goucher Gophers will come away with a win against Catholic this weekend to end the season on a good note against there bitter rivals....Catholic is a one man team, all Goucher will have to do is pay particular close attention to Banzhaf and not let him beat you. Let the other players who are not capable of winning a game as seen this weekend vs. Scranton attempt to beat you. Another reason why is because Goucher has had success over the past 2 years beating Catholic down there. My final reason is because Catholic is on a downward spiral and falling harder than the US economy, losing 2 this weekend and 1 this weekend will keep Catholic out of the race to make the NCAA. Sorry :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
Congrats to Ryan Fitzpatrick, MVP for Royals for the 2008-2009 season and roughly 30 points away from 1,000 for his career.


Catholic is getting pretty beat up on the board, all in jest I am sure!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 19, 2009, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
Catholic is getting pretty beat up on the board, all in jest I am sure!  ;D

Catholic brought it on themselves with all that talk about Banzhaf being the POY and how they may make the Tourny. It's quite obvious to any nimrad that they are a one man team and if you shut (Banzhof) down you will win. Take note going into the playoffs head coaches or whoever will play them first round! It's an easy equation: shut banzhaf down = WIN
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
That easy, huh?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 19, 2009, 06:44:49 PM
Yes, that easy. Guaranteed
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
Banzhaf or Banzhof? Nimrad of Nimrod?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 20, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
haha i was typing on my iPhone, screwed up on the spelling. Please forgive me.   ;D  ;D  ;D

Goucher-66        Catholic- 59
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
Dhoops.com on your IPHONE very impressive.


Goucher better win or you are going to hear it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2009, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 20, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
haha i was typing on my iPhone, screwed up on the spelling. Please forgive me.   ;D  ;D  ;D

Goucher-66        Catholic- 59
For a minute there, I was affraid you were showing off that Goucher education!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 20, 2009, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
Dhoops.com on your IPHONE very impressive.


I was rolling livestats on my BlackBerry while sitting at the Susquehanna game on Saturday (wanted to see how close Patch was getting to 1,000), how's that?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 20, 2009, 12:55:42 PM
Dave- Goucher education without boundries!...Nepafan you should def. consider getting the iPhone it is the best phone on the market.

Yeah im putting all my chips in on this Goucher-Catholic game, lets hope the Gophers can pull a Win. If not then i'll probably get torched on the board but at least I would be right about Goucher being horrible and Patch POY.  ;D.

Have a good weekend all, look forward to seeing the results after tommorow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 21, 2009, 03:50:46 PM
[Catholic  U will defeat  Goucher by 6-8 points in the final reg season home game on the new Franny Murray court
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 21, 2009, 08:20:11 PM
Juniata's looking to make an upset - 37-26 at the half. Meanwhile, Moravian's trying to do SU a favor, leading Scranton 41-32 with 3 minutes to go.  :o

Patch has 11 points and hit the 1,000 career plateau in style with a dunk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 21, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Susquehanna turns it around in the second half and wins, 72-58. Patch finishes with 27 points and 13 rebounds.

Scranton's on the comeback trail too, up 80-72 with 3:16 to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 21, 2009, 10:38:32 PM
Catholic --73
Goucher--48

Jason Banzhaf     8 -11    22 points  8 boards 
Nick Olivera         6 - 9  [5-4 from3] 17 points

Cards dominated from start to finish
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2009, 12:23:04 AM
Scranton defeats Moravian by about 10 & wraps up the regular season top slot. Hats off to Coach Walker & his staff  at Moravian for getting his kids to play like a playoff spot was on the line for them as well. Once again, Scranton's offense carried their defense to victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 01:31:09 AM
Did I read correctly, Scranton done by 12 in the second half and come back to win 91-75?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2009, 01:51:45 AM
   Yes, 4 consecutive 3-ptrs, 3 by Fitz, erased the 12-pt deficit. Susque had a similar 29-pt turnaround to beat Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Where is TPM to take his medicine?



Have the times for the playoff games on weds been announced yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2009, 03:31:19 PM
NEPA: I believe I heard last night after the games that the Landmark Conference will announce the schedules for Wed's. games on Mon. morning. Since both the Scranton women & men ended up as the # 1 seeds, both will be at the Long Center. Generally, this translates into a 5:30 start for the Scranton/Susquehanna ladies & a 7:30 tipoff for the Royals & Catholic men.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Where is TPM to take his medicine?

I see his name at the top of the board, so he's here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
Ouch.


Merchant Marine 111, Drew 46 


TOGA:


You might want to suggest to the Administration the beer give away idea, student section is still DOA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2009, 09:40:13 PM
Okay, look...

I didn't even bother taking tpm's bait before the CUA-Goucher game because he was being a clown, and frankly I knew Catholic was going to win.  For one thing, it was senior night, for another thing, well, Goucher...eh, let"s keep it positive.

It wasn't quite the MM-Drew game, but it was a blowout right from the get-go.  I'm very happy for senior Nick Olivero in particular who had a great game on his home floor for the last time.  The three Catholic seniors (Sean Stolzenthaler, Evan Yarborough and Nick) went 70-36 in their careers during a time of great transition in the program.  They stuck with it and all contributed at various points.  I certainly wish them well.

For whatever reason, Banzhaf and Catholic have taken a lot of crap here.  I still think he's the player of the year.  Obviously I'm biased, but that doesn't make me wrong.  From an intangible standpoint, he was the anchor on a very young team that really turned it around this year. 

I understand the argument that being the main scoring option on a team means inflated numbers, but in Justin's case, his shot selection and field percentage prove that it was more than just lack of options that led to his numbers.  But all this talk is a bit disparaging toward the rest of the team--there are other good players on Catholic's roster, its just that on any given night, a different guy stepped up so the numbers aren't as consistent.

For as much as a clown that tpm was, he was right in that every team went into a CUA game knowing that they had to stop Banzhaf.  And yet how often did it happen?  I'll give you the numbers in a minute, but basically NEVER.  That's remarkable.

From a statistical standpoint, the numbers speak for themselves.

In conference games, Jason finished with a 22.8 ppg average, shooting .624 in the process.  He was the league's leading scorer by 4.2 points per game.  That's a huge gap.  He was also second in field goal percentage, proving that he didn't get all those points just by jacking up tons of shots.  He was selective and reliable.  He averaged 8.1 rebounds per game--second only to Patch.  He was third in the league in free throw percentage at .852--we're talking about a power forward here!  He finished tied for second in the league in three point percentage at .455.  He led the league in offensive rebounds. 

Let's compare Banzhaf verses Patch.

Points: Banzhaf +4.2
Rebounds: Patch +2.6
FG PCT: Banzhaf +60 points

How about head to head.  In CUA-SUS games this year, Jason scored 49 points and had 19 rebounds.  Patch had 31 points and 14 rebounds.   Head to head, Banzhaf was the better player.

The other thing is consistency....these are Jason's point totals by league game: 27, 18, 17, 27, 22, 23, 21, 29, 26, 25, 26, 12, 24, 22

These are Patch's: 14, 19, 25, 6, 19, 13, 14, 26, 14, 23, 18, 18, 11, 27

Of the 14 league games, Banzhaf scored over 20 ppg in 11 of them.  He was over 15 in 13.  His season low was 12.

Of the 14 league games, Patch scored over 20 ppg in 4 of them.  He was over 15 ppg in 7.  His season low was 6.

Now I've heard the argument that Patch makes his teammates better by sharing the ball more.  Given the other talent on Susquehanna vs Catholic, and given the fact that I've heard that argument, I expected to see a pretty substantial gap in assists.  Nope.  Patch had 38 for the season, Banzhaf had 35.  Are people really going to deny him the POY over 3 assists?

I'm not taking anything away from Patch as a player--and certainly not as a student!  But if he was a sophomore and Jason was a senior, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  And frankly, we really shouldn't be now, either.  The award is Player of the Year.  Its not MVP, its not best rebounder, its POY.  It should go to the best player in the conference. 

Night in, night out--that was Jason Banzhaf. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 23, 2009, 09:45:45 AM
I was sadly wrong about the Catholic-Goucher game and admit that it was a bad decision to try to back up a poor/terrible Goucher squad that had nothing to play for. Catholic took care of business as I should have expected them to do because they are well coached.

Great argument for the POY Matt Letourneau, there should be a heated debate as your boy Banzhaf does have an impressive resume this year. I guess its not up to us. But my vote still sticks with Patch just because I think Banzhaf will win the POY 2-consecutive years with at least one conference championship in his Junior or Senior Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2009, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2009, 09:40:13 PM
Okay, look...

For whatever reason, Banzhaf and Catholic have taken a lot of crap here.  I still think he's the player of the year.  Obviously I'm biased, but that doesn't make me wrong.  From an intangible standpoint, he was the anchor on a very young team that really turned it around this year. 

I think the crap is directly related to the amount of your Banzhaf cheerleading, it can be a bit excessive at times. First with Rookie of the Year and now with Player of the Year.


I checked the conference webpage and Weds 25 FEB Catholic at Scranton 7:30pm at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2009, 04:45:18 PM
Joel Patch was Landmark Player of the Week again.  Of course, Banzhaf has four POWs to Patch's three, so that must make him POY.  ;D

(Matt - not giving Banzhaf crap, I have respect for the kid - just some friendly joshing for you.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
I understand!  Patch is a great player and he sounds like a great kid.  We're fortunate to have two players like that in this league.

NEPA--just one final push.  I wanted to get the stats out there.  With this league being spread out so much geographically, we just don't get to see the players/teams that aren't in our area very much, and its very easy to miss who is doing what.   I made my case, I'm done.

Should be some good games this week.   I feel terrible I can't see the Cardinals play Wed. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 23, 2009, 11:23:39 PM
Maybe if I donate a ton of money to the Blue & Gold society at Goucher College and place a stipulation on the cash that the only way you will receive this generous donation to the athletic department is if you fire Trevino, does anyone think that will work?

I have a solution to the POY award. Give the award to both banzhaf and patch just like Kobe and shaq shared the MVP of the all star game I don't see anything wrong with co-POY awards if both candidates are worthy. What do you think matt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2009, 12:50:58 PM
Matt,

Scranton-Catholic will be on www.scranton.edu/WUSR


Here are some notes:

Cardinal Update (Team): Catholic University enters the Landmark Conference tournamenthaving lost three of their last five games, but did win their most recent outing, a 73-48 victo-ry over Goucher College last Saturday evening at the DeFour Center in Washington,D.C...four of the Cardinals' eight losses this year, however, have been by seven points-or-fewer...on the offensive end, the Cardinals have shot 50 percent-or-better from the field ninetimes, posting a 9-0 record in those games, and 8-3 when shooting at least 40 percent fromthe 3-point arc... defensively, Catholic has held 11 opponents under 65 points and has held13 opponents to less than 45 percent shooting from the field...the Cardinals currently lead theLandmark Conference in rebounding margin (+4.9), are second in scoring offense (73.2),scoring defense (65.3), scoring margin (+7.9), and field goal percentage (.461), and third infree throw percentage (.700) and 3-point field goal percentage defense (.337)...the Cardinalsare also a combined 7-6 on the road and in games played on a neutral site...in this week'sNCAA team statistics, Catholic is 47th in free throw percentage (.700), 63rd in scoring margin(+7.9), 72nd in fewest turnovers per game (13.6), and 73rd in scoring defense (65.3 points pergame allowed) and win-loss percentage (.653).


Cardinal Update (Individual): All eyes are likely to be on Cardinal sophomore forwardJason Banzhaf, the 2008 Landmark Conference Rookie of the Year and prime candidate forthis season's player of the year award...Banzhaf has led Catholic in scoring in each of the last16 games and in 23 of 25 games...Banzhaf leads the Landmark Conference in scoring (21.2),is second in rebounding (7.6) and field goal percentage (.598), fourth in 3-point field goal per-centage (.424), fifth in free throw percentage (.802) and minutes played (32.52), and seventhin steals (1.28)...after Banzhaf, its a scoring-by-committee mentality, as seven other playersaverage five-or-more points: sophomore guard RJ Dixon (9.0), sophomore forward SpencerReed (8.0), senior guard Evin Yarbrough (6.5), senior guard Nick Olivero (6.1), junior for-ward Matt Fazzini (5.9), sophomore guard Brian Baker (5.8), and Clark Hindelang(5.5)...in this week's NCAA statistical rankings, Banzhaf is 21st in scoring (21.2) and 24th infield goal percentage, while senior guard Sean Stolzenthaler is 12th in assist-to-turnoverratio (2.58).


Royal Update (Team notes): The defending Landmark Conference champion Royals arein the midst of a season-long five-game winning streak....Scranton is one win shy of postingat least 20 victories for the fourth time in Carl Danzig's eighth season as head coach and forthe 19th time in school history...in their last six games, the Royals are shooting 51.6 percentfrom the field (215 of 407), 44.7 percent from beyond the 3-point arc (67 of 150), and 75.6percent from the free throw line (127 of 168)...during this same span defensively, the Royalsare allowing 65.5 points while holding the opposition to 41.5 shooting from the field (188-453), including 38.5 (55 of 143) from the 3-point arc...in its last four games, Scranton has hadat least four players score in double figures; for the season, the Royals have had at least fourplayers score in double figures in a game 12 times; Scranton is 10-2 when four players scorein double figures...Scranton has yet to allow an opponent to shoot 50 percent-or-higher fromthe field this season...the Royals are 45-21 in (68.2 percent) in Landmark/Middle AtlanticConference tournament games, including a 6-3 mark under Danzig...Scranton is fourth in 3-point field goal percentage (.420), fifth in blocks (5.6), 16th in free throw percentage (.761),35th in field goal percentage defense (.402), 42nd in 3-point field goals made per game (8.2),43rd in field goal percentage (.478), 44th in scoring margin (+9.2) and win-loss percentage(.760), 63rd in scoring defense (64.7 points per game allowed), and 70th in assist-to-turnoverratio (1.04).


Royal Notes (Individual): Senior guard Ryan FitzPatrick is now nine points shy ofbecoming the 36th player in Royals' history to score 1000 career points...in his last threegames, FitzPatrick is averaging 16.3 points while shooting 73.9 percent (17 of 23) from thefield, including 61.1 percent from the 3-point arc (11 of 18)...FitzPatrick leads the LandmarkConference and is third in the latest NCAA statistics in 3-point field goal percentage accuracy(.532)...senior forward Paul Biagioli is averaging 17.5 points in his last nine games, raising hisscoring average from 10.5 to 13.0 points per game...during this stretch, Biagioli is shooting 60percent (60 of 100) from the field...junior guard Dan O'Connell eclipsed his previous career-high of 11 points in the Royals' 66-64 victory over USMMA by knocking down four of sixshots from the field en route to 12 points in 21 minutes of action in last Saturday's win overMoravian...sophomore guard Luke Hawk has scored in double figures in six of his lastseven games and is averaging 11.7 points while shooting 44.4 percent from the field duringthis span...senior forward Paul Hawk has blocked at least one shot in every game this seasonand his team and Landmark Conference-leading 62 blocks is currently the sixth-highest sin-gle-season total in Scranton history; he is currently fifth in NCAA III in blocks (3.0 pergame)...reserve senior forward Eli Londo has shot 50 percent-or-higher from the field in 16of 25 games this year; in his last eight games, he is shooting 66.7 percent from the floor (24of 36) while averaging 7.4 points...sophomore guard Zach Ashworth has made 21 consecu-tive free throws and 27 of his last 29 attempts (93.1 percent); he has also scored in doublefigures in each of his last seven games and in 20 of 25 games this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
Joel Patch is a finalist for the Jostens Trophy!!!

(but Banzhaf isn't - now shouldn't that put Patch ahead of Banzhaf for Landmark POY, if he's a finalist for national POY?  ;D )
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Jostens Trophy isn't for National POY. It's for a combination of academics and athletics I believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

it is not national player of the year and is not strictly basketball related hence why he is on the list
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2009, 07:20:49 PM
bballfan10... I actually thought TheGrove was being sarcastic!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
no don't think he was. look at his response to what I posted. it seems to me he thinks the Jostens is for the National POY. if he was then my apologies, but why wouldn't he just say he was being sarcastic then after my response?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2009, 11:36:12 PM
FWIW, I read it the same way as bballfan10.  Who knows...in any case, I think the people who are actually voting on conference POY know that it doesn't matter. 

And to that end, tpm, if an equal number of coaches vote for both of them, then they should tie.  But honestly, I think the most deserving player should win...whichever one the coaches think that is.  I certainly think that any kind of coordinated vote fixing by the coaches to ensure a certain result would be inappropriate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2009, 12:54:22 AM
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

As a voter, I can tell you those two vital parts are definitely considered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 24, 2009, 07:20:49 PM
bballfan10... I actually thought TheGrove was being sarcastic!

You're on the money, d-mac. Just indulging in some gentle joshing again, but bballfan10 had to go pee in the Wheaties for some reason...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 01:40:17 PM
while you may have been joshing about the patch v banzhaf thing, you still thought it was the national poy award and you can pretend like you didn't now of course, but you wouldnt have responded with ur post explaining what the jostens trophy was and bolding the most outstanding players part. i was simply educating your feeble SU mind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 01:52:30 PM
Feeble SU mind, says the guy with the Juniata degree... amusing. Maybe you're just jealous 'cause you were never nominated for it?

I highlighted the most outstanding players part to point out to you that one can't be a slouch of a bball player and win this award. It's not a "nice guy" award. I was around when Kristen Venne (another "feeble" SU mind I suppose) won the Josten's Trophy, and she was a hell of a ballplayer, three-time All-American, one of our all-time leading scorers, etc.

I realize this is not an officially-sanctioned NCAA award, but it says right there in the description, "most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year." While there are other factors involved, again, you have to be a darn good basketball player to get the award, not just a nice guy and good student.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
Guys...Guys....like minded institutions remember?

Feeble minded? Those are the Wilkes and Kings of the world... ;D




Anyone seeing Scranton or Susquehanna upset tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
Guys...Guys....like minded institutions remember?

Feeble minded? Those are the Wilkes and Kings of the world... ;D

Don't forget the Lycomings...  :)

As for upsets, hey, any given Sunday... er, Wednesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
 Answers: I hope so & not a chance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 01:52:30 PM
Feeble SU mind, says the guy with the Juniata degree... amusing. Maybe you're just jealous 'cause you were never nominated for it?

I highlighted the most outstanding players part to point out to you that one can't be a slouch of a bball player and win this award. It's not a "nice guy" award. I was around when Kristen Venne (another "feeble" SU mind I suppose) won the Josten's Trophy, and she was a hell of a ballplayer, three-time All-American, one of our all-time leading scorers, etc.

I realize this is not an officially-sanctioned NCAA award, but it says right there in the description, "most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year." While there are other factors involved, again, you have to be a darn good basketball player to get the award, not just a nice guy and good student.

jeaoulous? not at all. Patch deserves all the credit he has gotten and has had a great senior year and its quite the honor to even be nominated for the award. look at my comments about him over course of the year. i have been very complimentary. however, him being a nice guy and great student is why he is in the running for the jostens (along with the bball aspect)

my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
 Answers: I hope so & not a chance.


As long as the first thing happens, don't care so much about the second.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
 Answers: I hope so & not a chance.

a. I think so

b. I don't know what it used to be like but the Long Center had a pretty good drawing last year in the Landmark Championship. It could have been better but the students filled up the one bleacher behind the basket while a majority of the stands on each sideline were filled. id say about 70%.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on February 25, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy too.

You stole my line, dude! As for arguing the merits of our respective degrees, I don't think I need to when you provide the evidence yourself.  :)

(And for the record, I have friends who went to Juniata, for whom I have much respect.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
PS to the Scrantonites - since no one seems to be talking on the women's board - good luck tonight. Aren't your women undefeated at home this year? You've got a heck of a team, SU's women have a tough task ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2009, 03:24:25 PM
  The women have double-figure losses to Messiah and Rochester @ home; both games with Susque were struggles and I anticipate another tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: bballfan10 on February 25, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy too.

You stole my line, dude! As for arguing the merits of our respective degrees, I don't think I need to when you provide the evidence yourself.  :)

(And for the record, I have friends who went to Juniata, for whom I have much respect.)

darn i always do that o well. don't think there is much difference between the schools neway i just thought id try to get internet tough on you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
No need for internet tough, I've been to playoff games in your home gym - that's a tough enough experience.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 25, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Not going to lie but this POY talk is pissing me off. It will be Patch so all you Catholic chumps that think it will be Banzhaf wait your turn. Stop looking at numbers and look at the player and team as a whole and the actual individual player and how he contributed on and off the court. Word on the street in DC is that Banzhaf is not to bright in the classroom and is a little big headed and socially doesn't get along with other students.

Maryland over Duke let's go terps
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on February 25, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Not going to lie but this POY talk is pissing me off. It will be Patch so all you Catholic chumps that think it will be Banzhaf wait your turn. Stop looking at numbers and look at the player and team as a whole and the actual individual player and how he contributed on and off the court. Word on the street in DC is that Banzhaf is not to bright in the classroom and is a little big headed and socially doesn't get along with other students.

Maryland over Duke let's go terps

What is wrong with you?  That's a ridiculous thing to say and its completely false.  He's a great kid and a great teammate.  I've never heard anything like that--especially in terms of him having a big head.  Actually from what I've seen its the opposite.  People have various opinions about POY but everybody but you has managed to be respectful.  Slandering some kid you don't know the first thing about is pathetic.

Silly me for thinking that a kid who is leading the league in scoring by a mile and is shooting 65% should be a leading contender for POY.

Scranton up by 4 at half time.  Low scoring game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2009, 08:40:58 PM
4-0? 6-2? 7-3?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

Pardon me, I saw a reference to King's and Wilkes and I thought this was the Freedom room.

Kudos to the Rotary Club of Salem for presenting this award, but I've always thought the Player of the Year title was misleading.

While I encourage academic prowess and community service, I don't see how they relate to the Player of the Year.

Perhaps the Josten's Person of the Year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 09:21:04 PM
I obviously have no idea what happened...but I bet it can be summed it very simply:  young team vs. veteran team.

Congrats, Royals. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:24:14 PM
Sounds like there was a heck of a game in Scranton tonight. As for SU, it's off to the Long Center on Saturday. Don't worry Royals fans, you'll outdraw the visiting crowd - SU students are on spring break starting Friday.

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 09:30:14 PM
I leave the details to Saratoga , but:


Royals dead and buried  down by 9 with 3 minutes left. Hawk brothers with back to back  3 pointers, Royals make some stops and Biagoli almost wins it with 1 second left.


OT- Catholic scores first, they trade some 3s... then Paul Hawk causes a jump ball on a block on Banzhaf and drains another 3 and Scranton takes it from there. He held Banzhaf to 5 points.


Unreal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2009, 09:46:58 PM
Been following the banter all year about Banzhaf and Patch, 5 points in a key game should kill talk of POY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 09:48:32 PM
Okay---I should take full credit for this loss since I obviously jinxed Banzhaf to hell and back.  He apparently had an epically bad night.  (As far as POY--they may already have voted, actually...usually that's the way it works because players on non-playoff teams are obviously eligible).  And of course Patch had a great night.

Frankly, with Banzhaf having that kind of night its kind of a miracle Catholic was in position to win in the first place.  

Tough way for the seniors to go out (losing a lead).  Hold your heads up high--you represented the program well.

As for the rest of the guys: let yourself feel the pain right now.  Don't forget it--use it.  You've got a chance to make it right--very few times in life do you get that chance, but you've got it.   Work hard this season and come back committed to finishing games.  The legendary Catholic teams in the past all had that in common--they knew how to finish.  You guys can do it too.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:24:14 PM

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.

The Grove,
   How'd you rate the officiating? A friend did the game and I've seen one of the others ref and he was good; should have been a strong veteran crew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:24:14 PM

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.

The Grove,
   How'd you rate the officiating? A friend did the game and I've seen one of the others ref and he was good; should have been a strong veteran crew.

The crowd jawed at them a few times but I didn't see anything horrible. Pretty consistent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 11:07:09 PM
POY and all conf should all be in already. im actually surprised it hasn't been announced yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 11:33:37 PM
Yeah--its a regular season award---but I think they wait until after the season to announce it.

Obviously Jason had a lousy night tonight--but plenty of MVPs, etc, have a lousy postseason game or series...(ARod!)  Doesn't change the fact that player x was the best player during the regular season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: trumbul on February 25, 2009, 11:58:33 PM
Matt get over Banzhaf, everyone is sick and tired of hearing about him, I think he should be the player of the year in the Landmark as well as the Big East and ACC  because he scored 5 more ppg than Joel Patch (Who will most likely be participating in the NCAA tournament and surely the Landmark Championship game) Catholic would have most certaintly been able to finish Scranton off tonite if Banzhaf would have scored his usual 5 more ppg than Patch (which would have been 34 tonite). Patch as POY and to the NCAA tournament and hopefully a Landmark conference championship!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2009, 12:14:40 AM
Welcome the board, trumbul...maybe I'd put a little more stock into your thoughts if you've been with us all season though.

Look--I advocated for my guy, he either wins the award or he doesn't, and that's the end of it.   I've been nothing but complimentary of the other contender, and I haven't disparaged any other team on here.  First thing I did when I saw the result tonight is congratulate the Royals for a hard fought win.  Their veteran leadership came through right when they needed it and that's what you need to be a champion. 

I know first hand that MMA was a tough team--seems like they sort of peak a little early, but I'm sure Susquehanna had their hands full.  I wish them luck too and I think both teams have a great shot at the NCAA tournament.

If people want to villify me for advocating for a guy I think is a special player (bad night tonight or not), then so be it.  The way I see it, there's no reason to be nasty about it, so I'm not going to be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2009, 12:41:04 AM
To answer my earlier questions...YES, Paul Hawk turned in one unbelievable performance against a future NBA first round draft choice & held him to five, that's 5 points in their biggest game of the year. And, YES...the Royals men's team outdrew their female counterparts for the first time in recent history.
  NEPA summed it up pretty well...the Royals were down 9 with just over 3 minutes left & simply found a way to get it done. Congrats to Ryan FitzPatrick who scored his 1.000 point tonight & to Paul & Luke Hawk who were not to be denied as well as the steady play of Paul Biagioli who was a one man shot adjuster underneath.
  A serious Thank You also goes out to the Scranton student section that actually found where the Long Center is located prior to graduation. Seems like they had a fun time, perhaps if scheduling allows for it...they may appear again on Sat.
  Scranton/Susquehanna on Sat. night...regardless of the outcome, both should be getting invited to the tournement.
  The TPM4286 Player of the Year will be awarded at halftime. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2009, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: trumbul on February 25, 2009, 11:58:33 PM
Matt get over Banzhaf, everyone is sick and tired of hearing about him, I think he should be the player of the year in the Landmark as well as the Big East and ACC  because he scored 5 more ppg than Joel Patch (Who will most likely be participating in the NCAA tournament and surely the Landmark Championship game) Catholic would have most certaintly been able to finish Scranton off tonite if Banzhaf would have scored his usual 5 more ppg than Patch (which would have been 34 tonite). Patch as POY and to the NCAA tournament and hopefully a Landmark conference championship!

trumbul, I'm all for Patch as POY (obviously), but I see no need to crucify Banzhaf, or Matt for sticking up for him. Spirited debate is one thing, but this is getting out of hand. Matt has been completely respectful of Patch while advocating for his guy, let's show him the same courtesy. Besides, it's in the hands of the coaches and conference office, not we message board dwellers.

Otherwise, go SU!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2009, 10:03:43 AM
I was about 5 seconds away from turning off the game and getting ready to accept a major Landmark upset. Glad I didn't turn off the game.


Official Line on Banzhaf

Banzhaf Jason 2-15 1-1 5


Scranton shot horribly, Catholic came out flying and it sounded like an epic battle. Must have been a long bus ride back to DC from the Pocono Mountains.

Landmark Conference Championship rematch Saturday Night....do both teams earn Pool B bids?


EDIT: Don't know where I got the rematch thing from..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2009, 10:06:33 AM
NEPAFAN, we in Selinsgrove were frantically refreshing d3scoreboard from BlackBerries in the SU gym, trying to get a final. Catholic sure got our hopes up for awhile (No offense, just wanted to host).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 26, 2009, 10:21:35 AM
Saratoga- I'm kind of lost here by the TPM4286 POY Award at halftime. Not following it. You mean they will give it to both players or what?

I have no comment but if you look at my earlier posts and my comment, YOU SHUT BANZHAF DOWN = YOU WIN and obviously the box score speaks for itself. The Player of the Year Award should be given to the Player who performs at the highest level at the most crucial time and obviously it was Joel Patch.

Other Landmark Teams IMPORTANT NOTICE PLEASE TAKE NOTE for 2009-2010 Season:  Simple Math Equation: Shut Banzhaf down + other incapable of beating you players attempting to beat you = WIN
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
Will the conference PLEASE just award the honor already so we can stop talking/debating/whatever about this?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
tpm4286: My reference was in jest as I believe you had indicated a preference for Patch as the recipient of the Landmark award over the last week or so.
   Since Susquehanna & Patch will be at Scranton on Sat. etc. etc. are you following me?
  Basically, with last evenings elimination & a less than great game, I think it's pretty fair to say...as you have all along, that Patch will win it...that's all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 26, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
Will the conference PLEASE just award the honor already so we can stop talking/debating/whatever about this?!

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 26, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
Will the conference PLEASE just award the honor already so we can stop talking/debating/whatever about this?!

+1

Something tells me that won't be the end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2009, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 26, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
Will the conference PLEASE just award the honor already so we can stop talking/debating/whatever about this?!

+1

Something tells me that won't be the end.

WAIT! We haven't analyzed who has the better hair yet!  :o

PS - Excellent choice of Frank Marcinek for tonight's Hoopsville.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 06:03:57 PM
Show runs from 6-8 ET and he's in the first hour, so tune in soon!

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2009, 10:06:26 AM
I think we should get the Conference Awards today...



I also don't think that the loser of the Championship Game is a lock for the NCAA Tourny.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
I don't think so either. It's win and in, lose and hope.

NEPAFAN, are you anticipating a big crowd tomorrow? SU's students start spring break today, so I don't think there will be a big visiting contingent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
I don't think so either. It's win and in, lose and hope.

NEPAFAN, are you anticipating a big crowd tomorrow? SU's students start spring break today, so I don't think there will be a big visiting contingent.


Good question, you would think that they would be able to get 1,000+ for a Championship game. Should be a decent crowd. Will you be there with your blackberry and/or Iphone?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2009, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
I don't think so either. It's win and in, lose and hope.

NEPAFAN, are you anticipating a big crowd tomorrow? SU's students start spring break today, so I don't think there will be a big visiting contingent.


Good question, you would think that they would be able to get 1,000+ for a Championship game. Should be a decent crowd. Will you be there with your blackberry and/or Iphone?

I'm trying to get a group together to go... and yes, the crackberry is always with me. Most likely will be used in this instance to find out track and field championship results.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2009, 12:01:48 PM
I'm telling you...free cases of Paulaner Hefe-Wiezen to the first 2,500 students & the Long Center will be rocking like the good old days. If that doesn't fly...what about a Bob Bessoir purple tux bobble-head giveaway?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
Update: No Conference Awards but the Men's Tennis Preseason Poll is out.

In case your wondering it is Drew in a landslide.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MOst7 on February 27, 2009, 05:10:26 PM
no hefe weizen will get it the long center rockin like the old days...
those days are "the glory days" and packed away in some 18 years of gold, silver and bronze...
bob´s head is bobbling nowadays at the empty gyms around the league
Title: 2008-09 All-Landmark
Post by: gouchersid on February 27, 2009, 05:52:11 PM
announcement on Tuesday
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 27, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
What is this ECAC tournament I have read about?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2009, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: Innerloop on February 27, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
What is this ECAC tournament I have read about?

A runner-ups tournament for good teams that don't make the big dance.
Not really a tournament just a bonus game or two for selected teams in the region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2009, 08:38:09 PM
Its sort of like the NIT, innerloop.  Smaller field than the real NIT and you don't go out of region.  But it generally consists of quality teams that just missed the tournament.  Some teams aren't a member of the ECAC and so aren't eligble, but most are.  Several years ago--the year before CUA last made the tournament--Catholic played in it and had a great experience--they got 2 really good wins on the road (at CMU was one of them), and then lost a close game in the final.  It ended up being something to really build on for the next year and it helped.

If Catholic made it, it would deft. be worthwhile for this year's team, considering their youth. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 27, 2009, 09:30:27 PM
Sorry Matt. 

Last year the team was young....This year the team was young.

It is not like this is Howes first season at the helm with all new players.  Year five.  TO have a young team for back to back seasons is inexcusable in your 4th and 5th seasons.

It was all about the excuses for the losses poor officiating 50% inexperience 50%.  The wins are gutty and deserved of course.

Im sure the rest of the team reads these posts and loves to hear about banzhaf this and banzhaf that. (Wonder if that is why you lost so many transfers last year some of who would be starting this year. or do you have another reason why?)

Also 5 assistant coaches?  The Wizards have 4. 


On to my picks:
POY: Patch Sr. Leader for a team that needs all of his skills.
Runner up: Banzhaf and all of the Catholic Referees who win 2-3 games a year for them
ROY: Spenser Spenser (7-9) in playoff debut
Runner up: Spencer Reed (impressive frosh season
Coach of the Year: Kirkorian - 5 players pretty much in double figures tells me they made the most out of what they had.  Consumate team.
Runner Up:  Marcinek: After losing Robinson and Cuff and their (46ppg.) a remarkable job.
Off. POY: Banzhaf - filled the tin night in and night out.
Runner up: Ashworth  scored, 3rd in assts. shot the 3.
Co: Def. POY: Hawk and Majors

1st teamers:
Hawk
Banzhaf
Patch
Ashworth
Ryan Samuel / Brian Majors ?

2nd teamers:
Brian Majors / Ryan Samuel ?
Heuber
Izzo
Thompson
Fitzpatrick



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 27, 2009, 09:42:03 PM
Thanks for the explanation. I agree with the young team comments. Catholic had 3 seniors with key roles. They also lost several key players last year. I guess its the old D-3 story line. Players wanted to go D-1 or D-2 and ended up D-3 and lost interest after a year. Thats why D-3 rosters are loaded with freshmen. I checked the roster and Spencer Reed is listed as a sophomore. They don't look any stronger at all next year. Oh well. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2009, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 27, 2009, 09:30:27 PM
Sorry Matt. 

Last year the team was young....This year the team was young.

It is not like this is Howes first season at the helm with all new players.  Year five.  TO have a young team for back to back seasons is inexcusable in your 4th and 5th seasons.

It was all about the excuses for the losses poor officiating 50% inexperience 50%.  The wins are gutty and deserved of course.

Im sure the rest of the team reads these posts and loves to hear about banzhaf this and banzhaf that. (Wonder if that is why you lost so many transfers last year some of who would be starting this year. or do you have another reason why?)

Also 5 assistant coaches?  The Wizards have 4. 


Well, they're really coming out of the woodwork, aren't they?  Another one post wonder.  And a coward at that.  If you register and use your first post to slam a team/program, then don't hide.  I'm accountable for everything I say--my name is on it.  Where's yours?

To the "substance" of your post.  There are very real reasons why Catholic lost so many young players last year, and if you knew them I would hope that you would have the decency to be embarassed that you're raising those issues here.

As a matter of fact, I DO have a reason why several of those players left, but its not fair to them to discuss it in much detail.  With one or two exceptions, the reasons had nothing to do with basketball.  All I will say is that in case you haven't noticed, times are tough for a lot of people and sometimes families have to make hard decisions.  Blaming a coaching staff for that is ridiculous. 

Assistant coaches--yeah, its terrible that Catholic is trying to give a couple of young guys who are trying to break into the business a shot at contributing on the coaching staff.  If you think anybody's getting rich because of those arrangements--OR that the school is spending much money--then you obviously aren't very familiar with division 3 basketball or Catholic University.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 27, 2009, 11:00:03 PM
Not naming names here (I agree that is classless), but there is accountability in a program and kids leaving like that (in numbers) is a negative.  Still it is reflection of the program when you lose that many kids.  There can be one or two fine, but that many there is something else going there. 

It is nice to give thee young guys a shot coaching.  I don't think its a bad thing, just a little wierd that most d-3's have 1 or 2assts., D-1 schools have 3, the NBA has 4, Catholic has 5.  It comes off as a little pompus, (sorry). 

Talk to me about the predictions instead.

As for the title, tough to pick against Scranton @ home.  If at SU, probably would take the Crusaders, but on the road, I am thinking 3 pt. shooting from the Royals will be the difference.  And there is also something about most refs that lean toward the home team.  Should be a good game regardless.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
I've seen D-III teams with as many as six assistants.

Comparing any D-III team to D-I, where there are rules governing such things, doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 28, 2009, 01:31:12 AM
So SU vs. Scranton in the Long Center. Good to see the addition of Brent Ferko to the SU coaching staff paying huge dividends. Not only do they get out of the 1st round of the playoffs, but Coach Ferko has certainly been instrumental in helping turn Patch into an all conf 1st team player and potential poy. However, I question whether Ferko's bad luck in championship games will follow him to the Long Center. My gut tells me yes.

The matchup to watch will defn be Patch v. Hawk. I think Hawk will have similar success against this poy candidate. I don't think Patch's numbers will be as poor, but Hawk will really slow him down.

My prediction...Scranton 73 Susq 60
Ft's at the end bump the spread up
My prediction in foul disparity...Susq +10
Scranton+14 on the FT line
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 02:20:55 AM
Yes, we puny Crusaders were nothing til the mighty Eagle swooped into town! :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 28, 2009, 09:09:47 AM
I will go with Susquehanna only because they seem to be playing better now. Catholic almost beat Scranton with a sub par performance. I like the controversy over the assistant coach thing. NCAA makes rules for D-1 and D-2 because of  scholarship rules. I support a coach like Howes for giving young guys a chance to get in the coaching "innerloop." I think that it looks a little funny on the bench though with a posse of suits during timeouts with less than 500 fans in the stands. Maybe there should be a rule limiting the total number of bench seats for coaches? Maybe any coaching staff representative over 4 should sit behind the bench? But what do I know!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2009, 09:33:16 AM
The difference between Susquehanna and Catholic is that if you shut down Patch, others will hurt you ie: Spenser Spencer and Cosgrove.


Logic says that a Senior Laden Scranton team wins, but we'll see what happens at 730.........


I'll go

Scranton 70
Susquehanna 63
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 09:57:18 AM
Im going to predict an SU win, because someone has to.

SU 65
Scranton 64

Brent Ferko hits a 3 from the bench as the buzzer goes off and no one realizes it wasnt spenser spenser.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 28, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
Susquehanna- 78
Scranton- 64

Patch- 21 pts.; 9 rbs.
Spencer- 26 pts, ; 5-6- 3-pts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Heart says SU, of course, but gut is coming up empty. Not sure if Wednesday's heroics exhausted Scranton or gave them killer confidence.

And to continue the theme... The Landmark coaches decide it's not really the veteran head coach behind SU's success and name Ferko COY. So it's a Crusader sweep in postseason awards since Patch and Spencer take POY and ROY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2009, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Heart says SU, of course, but gut is coming up empty.

Have a snack.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 28, 2009, 01:37:38 PM
it's rediculous the conf awards haven't been announced yet
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Suprise of the awards this year.  Canon gets 1st team all d3 hoops poster after last years snub.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Heart says SU, of course, but gut is coming up empty. Not sure if Wednesday's heroics exhausted Scranton or gave them killer confidence.

And to continue the theme... The Landmark coaches decide it's not really the veteran head coach behind SU's success and name Ferko COY. So it's a Crusader sweep in postseason awards since Patch and Spencer take POY and ROY.

Grove I notice the cell phone icon next to your post. Are you putting back a few with the Royal Faithful at a local watering hole?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
I did put back a few, but did not see any UofS faithful, only some concertgoers?

35-33 Scranton at halftime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
Wierd that the refs are wearing purple pants and white purple stripe shirts. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2009, 09:38:41 PM
Congrats Scranton, represent us well in the dance.

SU, I am proud of you guys. You never quit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 09:42:49 PM
great game awesome stretches by both teams and players for mini runs.  Mckain was huge down the stretch.  So was Majors.  Scranton's Ashworth and Fitzpatrick were gutty and played like winners too.  Ultimately an awesome game and great efforts by both teams.  

Patch went for 19 and 22. And in a quiet Patch  fashion.  Hats off to the Royals and Danzig (esp. Danzig for all the heat he has taken on this board).  Refs were actually fine. They didnt determine the game. Fitzpatrick's 3 did.  

Great Landmark season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2009, 09:48:09 PM
Wow back and forth, back and forth. Susquehanna with a gutty run to tie the game and Ashworth (26 points a career high?) and Fitzpatrick take over in overtime. Dean Corwin almost had an anuraysm (sp) in the Overtime period. ;D


Sounds like a good contigent made it up from The Grove. Susquehanna did not quit and took everything that Scranton throw at them. You guys had a great season and have some gritty kids.


Congrats to the Royals and Coach Danzig on back to back Landmark Championships!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 09:52:48 PM
My case for the tourney:

If you look  at Maryville Tennessee schedule they are awesome.  If you look closely you see:

no team in their conference has a .500 record.
they won only one game vs. a .500 team all season!
when they did play .500 teams they were 0-5

based on their performance with that schedule, no way they are comparable with SU's schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
   The Grove,Susiddad,
     Your sportsmanlike congrats are appreciated; good luck for the 3rd Pool B slot. I'd rate Susque/Maryville/Chapman 45/35/20 in % for selection.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2009, 11:56:26 PM
Yeah, I have to say...there's a pretty fair amount of criticism directed toward Scranton FROM Scranton folks...and yet they're now the two time champion of the league.

So...somebody's doing something right.

I hope Catholic's in this game next year...and the winner will get an AQ.  Funny, its almost a disadvantage to no longer be eligible for Pool B.  Good luck to both teams getting in. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2009, 12:41:20 AM
First off, congratulations to the Royals for pulling out another championship. In a game of runs, they just happened to put the last one together. That said, there is no way Susquehanna does not deserve to get into the tourney. They played basket for basket in the most hostile Long Center crowd in the last 6 years. Both teams left everything on the court & as someone previously stated, the kids determined the outcome rather than the refs.
  I'm not sure if there is a Landmark Sportsmanship Award...if there is (and there should be), Matt McDevitt of Susquehanna should be the winner. When most kids would be just plain unhappy with the outcome if they lost & left the court, he went up to virtually every Royal & shook their hand & patted them on the back. A true show of sportsmanship & class.
  By the way, there should be no contest for POY in the Landmark...Patch busts his butt on both ends of the court & did just about all he could to keep the Crusaders in it. Two clutch 3's at the end (Ashworth & FitzPatrick) and some great D by Paul Hawk & Paul Biagioli & the Royals live to play another day. Congrats to all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on March 01, 2009, 11:55:15 AM
Congrats to Scranton on a great season! There home court is tough to win at, did they go undefeated all year on there court?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
Scranton has one loss at the John J. Long Center. they lost to Richard Stockton (who I believe is ranked in the top 10).


As far as getting on Danzig, I think when you take over for the legend that is Mr. Bob Bessior you are bound to be under the microscope. Bessior built Scranton basketball from the ground up and was involved with the program for over 40 years.


I think Danzig has done a pretty good job, and that you could make a case for him for COY (won't go down that road)  but all in all I think  Scranton followers would like to see a couple NCAA wins to add to his resume!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 01, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 28, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Suprise of the awards this year.  Canon gets 1st team all d3 hoops poster after last years snub.

If your gonna try and bust my balls at least spell my name right please

Congrats to both teams looks like it was a great game. Hopefully the Landmark gets 2 teams in this year and Maryville doesn't make it in based on their reputation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
Maryville's competition in their wins averaged a 16 loses per game. 
They had 4 wins over teams that had winning records 2 vs. the same team at 13-11, a 17-12 team and one impressive win vs. a 20-8 team. 

Having never seen them play, I'm going to assume they play cupcake city aonce conf. play starts and their 4-5 record going into it only magnifies that when they play real teams they are a .500 team.  that being said i am sure they will get in and we won't because sometimes life is unfair :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
It will be challenging for Catholic to make it to the title game next year since they are bringing back such a young team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
Maryville's competition in their wins averaged a 16 loses per game. 
They had 4 wins over teams that had winning records 2 vs. the same team at 13-11, a 17-12 team and one impressive win vs. a 20-8 team. 

Having never seen them play, I'm going to assume they play cupcake city aonce conf. play starts and their 4-5 record going into it only magnifies that when they play real teams they are a .500 team.  that being said i am sure they will get in and we won't because sometimes life is unfair :P
Life is definitely not fair.  Once you fall into Pool C, it's a crap shoot if you get picked.  I've been following small college basketball(MAC/Centennial) since 1966 and following D3 from it's roots and how the teams are picked I still have no clue.  I've seen good teams ignored and questionable ones selected.  With numerous regular season champions losing their tournament automatic qualifying spot, Pool C is crowded.  F&M dropped into Pool C this afternoon with a lose to Gettysburg.  Gettysburg with an 18-8 record and a number 3 seed in the Centennial Conference now gets an automatic qualifying spot.  F&M 22-5 now has to wait as does Susquehanna for a potential at large bid.  Good luck with your wait.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 01, 2009, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
Maryville's competition in their wins averaged a 16 loses per game. 
They had 4 wins over teams that had winning records 2 vs. the same team at 13-11, a 17-12 team and one impressive win vs. a 20-8 team. 

Having never seen them play, I'm going to assume they play cupcake city aonce conf. play starts and their 4-5 record going into it only magnifies that when they play real teams they are a .500 team.  that being said i am sure they will get in and we won't because sometimes life is unfair :P
Life is definitely not fair.  Once you fall into Pool C, it's a crap shoot if you get picked.  I've been following small college basketball(MAC/Centennial) since 1966 and following D3 from it's roots and how the teams are picked I still have no clue.  I've seen good teams ignored and questionable ones selected.  With numerous regular season champions losing their tournament automatic qualifying spot, Pool C is crowded.  F&M dropped into Pool C this afternoon with a lose to Gettysburg.  Gettysburg with an 18-8 record and a number 3 seed in the Centennial Conference now gets an automatic qualifying spot.  F&M 22-5 now has to wait as does Susquehanna for a potential at large bid.  Good luck with your wait.

Well hopefully SU and Scranton will get 2 Pool B's like the Landmark did last year instead of having to get a Pool C. The way things went in the ODAC Tourney is going to make things very tough for a few teams that would have probably gotten a Pool C otherwise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
It will be challenging for Catholic to make it to the title game next year since they are bringing back such a young team.

You do realize they when from 10-15 to 17-9 this year right?  Do you really want to start getting into track records here? 

If you are actually interested in the circumstances that led to them being young for a few years (turns out that being without a coach entirely during the end of the recruitment period until after deposits/commitments are due is not great for recruiting, neither is an unprecedented economic slowdown at a $30k a year school), we can continue talking--otherwise, you are just wasting bandwith. 

Its great that Susquehanna took Scranton to OT in the title game.  So did Catholic a game earlier.  We'll know tomorrow what happens, but if Pat's crew is right, there's a decent chance that Susquehanna is going to be watching the tournament at home just like Catholic.  So I'd get off your high horse.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
Hey, your right about us not making it.  Wehad a chnace played well, but all in all we had a good season.  That is back to back shared regular season champs.  Catholic has 0.  Since our paths have crossed we are better than you both years.  Excuses are just that, excuses.   

That being said, Catholic is the clear favorite to win the league next year.  You have a lot to look forward to, however I think we all see the Cards as a little pompus from top to bottom so when things are going that well we are all going to jump on you.  Take it as a compliment for now and use it as bulletin board material.  Maybe the 5th asst. can print it up and put in the locker room.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 12:49:21 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 01, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
Hey, your right about us not making it.  Wehad a chnace played well, but all in all we had a good season.  That is back to back shared regular season champs.  Catholic has 0.  Since our paths have crossed we are better than you both years.  Excuses are just that, excuses.   

That being said, Catholic is the clear favorite to win the league next year.  You have a lot to look forward to, however I think we all see the Cards as a little pompus from top to bottom so when things are going that well we are all going to jump on you.  Take it as a compliment for now and use it as bulletin board material.  Maybe the 5th asst. can print it up and put in the locker room.

Who is "we all?"  You're speaking for the whole board now?

I'm pretty much the only Catholic guy that ever posts in here...so I'm not sure exactly who you see as pompous unless its me.  I think I've been pretty realistic about them all year, if you don't agree, fine.  Sure, I pushed Banzhaf, but he had a great year. 

The team as a whole was young.  That's a fact.  Even if they hadn't lose guys from last year, they still would have been young.  But had they been able to keep them, they would have had a lot more depth and another scoring option or two, and that probably would have helped.  Its not an excuse, its fact.  It is not an uncommon occurence in d3 basketball to have something like that happen.  They just got unlucky--as I said, if you knew the stories involved here you would understand.  Its not as if a bunch of recruits just left en masse because they didn't like the coach or the school. 

As NEPAfan was talking about when it comes to Scranton, when you lose a coach that was revered, its not so easy.  In this case the administration really put the entire program behind the curve by not moving on a new hire for several months--so you ended up with no incoming class.  It didn't hurt right away, but you felt it 4 years later with no seniors.   It kind of spirals from there.  But things are clearly heading in the right direction, the quality of the players coming into the program now are right back to where things were.  If your yardstick is short term, then sure, other teams have done better.  I really do hope Susquehanna gets in tomorrow, but if you don't, then...it hasn't really gotten you anywhere, has it?  Who really cares what the final standings are if you don't make the tournament which is kind of the whole point? 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 08:12:35 AM
well said my good man.  only thing i disagree with are your "facts".  i view them as "excuses". maybe we are both right.  i actually alos think it is an accomplishment of note to win back to back regular season championships. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 08:12:35 AM
well said my good man.  only thing i disagree with are your "facts".  i view them as "excuses". maybe we are both right.  i actually alos think it is an accomplishment of note to win back to back regular season championships. 


Back to back regular season championships? That is debatable if you include tie breakers..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on March 02, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
Seems like the board is picking on Matt a little bit. Remember this bulletin board material and fact, Matt and his Catholic boys do have the most dominant player returning and hands down the best player in the league. As I mentioned before Matt may have alot to brag and run his mouth about in the future as I see Banzhaf being 2-time POY over the next 2 seasons. I mean who else is going to compete with them besides Merchant Marine with some of there young talent.

Matt I may dislike Catholic, but I must agree they do have a solid young base that will win at least one championship over the next 2 years even though I am sort of contradicting myself with my whole "shut banzhaf down you win" equation. I mean with all the darn coaches I'm sure they will give the players enough attention and work to develop haha.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
I know I said this already, but good luck to Scranton in the NCAA tournament. Represent the Landmark well!!

The selection show knifed Susquehanna in the heart early, announcing Maryville right off the bat.  :'( However, I'm proud of those guys, it's been a heck of a season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
No love for Susquehanna...but even more surprising to me, no love for St. Mary's over in the CAC either!

Pretty decent matchup for Scranton, at least in the first round.  F&M isn't too bad a ride, either. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Anyone have any info on Brandeis or the UAA?


Seems like a decent draw for Scranton....but I thought that last year too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 02, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Yep, I am new.  Hi all.

Great season for the Crusaders, it is too bad their season came to a shorter end at the expense of Catholic playing 7 out of region games.  6 were wins, x2, =12 wins that were excluded from SUs OWP.  plain and simple, that just sucks.
Why so many out of region games? does no good for your own team OR others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
No love for Susquehanna...but even more surprising to me, no love for St. Mary's over in the CAC either!

You're right, Matt! I was so bummed about Susquehanna, I didn't even notice St. Mary's got left out. They were, what, 22-5? or 22-6 after losing to Marymount (!!!).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
SUhoops,
  I suspect that Catholic chose to play tougher out-of region games to prepare their team without the consequence of losing them and count for an in-regional record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Anyone have any info on Brandeis or the UAA?


Seems like a decent draw for Scranton....but I thought that last year too.

Nepa,
  check out the UAA board under multi-regional; deiscanton gives you all you want to know as the season progresses; UAA considered at least a level stronger than the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 02, 2009, 03:26:48 PM
well, with 8 of their 9 losses coming IN REGION, then i guess that strategy didn't work out.
Say they won the landmark... i dont believe they would have even gotten into the tourney as a Pool B with a 11-8 regional record. 16-7 wasn't even good enough for SU against a maryville team that had a great, nearly flawless, in region record due to a downright awful strength of schedule....BUT i 'guess' the rest of the numbers fell their way according to the committee.

so, i guess im not buying the tough teams out of region theory because that could in no way have helped their cause.  i guess it's just due to their location, out of region (say, virginia) is within very close proximity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:34:19 PM
    Yes, you do need to have a very good regional record to qualify as Pool B/C but out-of region games can be used to toughen your team bball-wise without costing you for selection.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Anyone have any info on Brandeis or the UAA?


Seems like a decent draw for Scranton....but I thought that last year too.

Nepa,
  check out the UAA board under multi-regional; deiscanton gives you all you want to know as the season progresses; UAA considered at least a level stronger than the Landmark.


Thanks Ronk. Looks like they play a tough schedule, what is your take on Scranton's draw?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2009, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: SUhoops on March 02, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Yep, I am new.  Hi all.

Great season for the Crusaders, it is too bad their season came to a shorter end at the expense of Catholic playing 7 out of region games.  6 were wins, x2, =12 wins that were excluded from SUs OWP.  plain and simple, that just sucks.
Why so many out of region games? does no good for your own team OR others.

Seven games out of your OWP isn't going to make a huge deal. Your OWP is all of your 23 regional opponents' regional games, more than 400 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
Nepa,
  Probably as good a draw as could be hoped for; at least we're not playing Elms; that was a style we couldn't overcome. I'll be checking out Brandeis during the week and get back later on their chances.
  Probably will go see the men Friday instead of the women since the women have a better chance of playing Saturday and the following weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 04:28:47 PM
Next year the yoth movement is rolling in Catholic!!!!Heard they have a huge freshman class and 4 new assts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:38:20 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 05:14:10 PM
Is Banzhaf transferring?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 05:25:17 PM
Do you have any proof for this, or are you starting a rumor?
This would really shake up some Catholic followers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Susquehanna fans... I am sorry I haven't posted in here in awhile, though some of you asked for my opinion. It has been a VERY busy few days and I just didn't have time.

Early this week, I thought Susquehanna might have a good chance to get into the tourney even with a loss to Scranton, but I changed my mind as I looked more and more at the numbers. They would have ended up with one more regional loss than Maryville and their OWP and weaker than Maryville's (while their OOWP was slightly better). That is a 2-to-1 advantage for Maryville without looking at other determining factors. 7 regional losses is a lot to justify making the tournament.

The arguement that Maryville had a weaker schedule doesn't really hold water when you look at the fact their OWP was stronger than Susquehanna's (SOS: Maryville's 234, Susquehanna's 254). I just think it would have been tough to say to Susquehanna you are in over Maryville (though Susquehanna would have deserved it more than Chapman in my opinion - even if they did have four more regional losses).

Also, to blame CUA for playing out of region games hurting Susquehanna is a bit of a reach. How do you know CUA wouldn't played more regional games and lost them, hurting the OWP even more. It's not like CUA scheduled a bunch of pansies and beat up on them inflating their record but killing thier OWP - which would have hurt Susquehanna. One team's schedule didn't make a difference and saying it would have isn't being realistic to the situation Susquehanna was in in the first place.

Coach Marcinek said on Hoopsville Thursday night, they needed to win the Landmark to get in. He told his team that; he told us that. He has been around for a long time and served on committees as well. If Coach Marcinek thinks the team isn't making the tournament with a loss against Scranton, why would the fans think otherwise. He knows what he is talking about and his comments certainly made me sway my opinion.

Finally, remember one very important thing: Susquehanna was ONLY in the conversation because they had a chance at a Pool B bid. If this was an AQ year for the Landmark, Susquehanna wouldn't have been part of the Pool C conversation. They didn't have the resume to be in the tournament and the only reason they were part of the chat this season was because of a rather weak Pool B group (besides Elms and maybe Scranton).

Next year is an AQ year for the Landmark. That is good and bad. It is good because everyone knows they are in the tournament if they win the AQ. It is bad because this conference isn't good enough right now to deserve multiple bids (no, CUA probably wouldn't have gotten in had they won the conference this season - though I think there would have been a strong arguement all the same). I think this is a rather competitive league from top to bottom, but it is not a league that should get two-bids from what I have been seeing so far. Time will tell!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2009, 06:03:30 PM
Thanks, D-mac (D-lightfulDMac? Dvoice? Did you ever D-cide on a nick?  :))

Count me as at least one Susquehanna fan not blaming others for not getting in the tourney. I mean, I was still hoping this morning, but in my heart of hearts I knew Coach was right. We had to win to get in.

I would have loved to see what this crew could have done in the tourney, especially after Saturday night's game, but that's the nature of Pool B, heck of the whole tournament. I've loved watching this bunch and now that it's sinking in that it's really over, I think I'm sadder than I ever have been at the end of a SU season. I shouldn't be sad, because it's been a great season; I'm just sad that I don't get to watch them play anymore, especially the seniors.

Ugh, wow, I just got kinda depressed...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
TheGrove - I think I am going to go with D3Voice... since that makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons!!! But thanks for some great ideas! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
Thanks Dave.  I would agree.  The top 4 can compete in the top leagues in the country (not neccessarily win, but fair well, I believe)  The bottom four right now (Juniata has been good) are tough to watch.  There is talent level drop that is significant.

If Catholic wins the conference tourney, they would have gotten in.

I was just starting rumors.  I am sure Matt knew I was kidding around.  It has been a rough day. 

That being said, a tourney team needs to find a way to win that last game.

We bring back some great kids and talent next year albeit lose a lot of scoring and leadership, but I don't see a dropoff like Catholic had two years ago. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 02, 2009, 07:02:01 PM
i disagree.  if catholics games were in region...those 12 extra wins would have put SU's OWP above .500, clearly better than maryvilles.  this would have given SU the advantage in 2/3 of the criteria...granting a bid i believe.    so, this being said, and the numbers being calculated, clearly SU was hurt by catholics large number of out of region games (wins).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
SUhoops - you are taking a giant leap assuming that if CUA had played the other seven games in region, they would have won every one of thos games. They didn't even win the seven out-of-region games they played. Why would you assume they would have won all the in-region ones. Heck, they lost to Haverford in-region, proving that making your arguement based on CUA playing 12 regional games and winning them all is off-base.

This season, CUA played 11 non-conference games with seven games out-of-region. If they had made all 11 games in-region and won them all and assuming they would have still gone 8-6 in the conference... CUA would have been 19-6 in region and probably would have been in the tournament over Susquehanna. Thus, again eliminating Susquehanna from the equation, again!

Also, you never know who CUA would have chosen for in-region. If they pick fluff schools then while Susquehanna's OWP would have been better with CUA's impressive record, Susquehanna's OOWP would have been lower to compensate for CUA's over-inflated record.

Picking on CUA's record as a reason Susquehanna is out of the tournament... is baseless and a reach. Seven regional losses, especially to teams like Misericordia and Kings don't help.

susiddad - I wouldn't say the top four in this league can complete in the top leagues in the country. I just don't see it, sorry. I think they are good and can complete in this region and against much of the Atlantic, East, and South regions... but I think they would be over-matched in the Midwest and much of the West. They would also be over-matched against teams from the Northeast. I would put the top four in this league in the top half of the nation, but not with the top leagues.

That being said, I think the bottom side of the conference, while not great, is better than the bottom half of a LOT of conferences. I think this conference is competative and the bottom makes it that way. If the bottom was that bad, then the top of the conference would do better than losing four or five games a season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 02, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
I would put the top four in this league in the top half of the nation, but not with the top leagues.


Dave,


Not sure I understand what you mean here.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 02, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 02, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
Seven regional losses, especially to teams like Misericordia and Kings don't help.

D-Mac,

I just took back the +1 that I had given you for an earlier post.

FYI, Scranton got in despite a loss to a team like Misericordia.  Susquehanna was actually 1-1 against Misericordia.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2009, 08:26:42 PM
lefty2 - Scranton also beat Susquehanna two out of three times. Flip that around and we are talking about why Scranton isn't in the tourney and why Susquehanna is. Scranton would have had 7 in-region losses and Susquehanna 6. Losing to Misericordia (11-14) remains a bad loss... no matter who lost to them.

NEPAFAN - sorry... what I am trying to say is that the top four teams in this conference are in the top half of Division III teams, but I don't think they can compete with the top leagues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 02, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
D-Money you are an awesome poster. No debating that.  I have not seen a lot of basketball in the west or midwest so I can't say for sure, but as far as the northeast, I am pretty confident  Scranton SU and Catholic can compete in all leagues.  Not necessarily win them, but not be bottom of the barrell.  If all 3 were in the UAA that would not be show as poorly as you suggest in my opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 10:22:04 PM
I'm getting a kick out of this...its Catholic's fault that Susquehanna isn't in the tourney?  (I KNOW that all but one of you don't believe that...but to the one that does...)

How about beating Catholic twice instead of splitting with them...that might have helped, no?   

I realize there's apparently a lot of dislike for Catholic on here...why, I don't know, I guess when you have had a lot of success it makes you a target...but this particular line of discussion is a little ridiculous--as D-Mac has shown. 

As for next year--well, first of all, lets give Scranton's its due here and let them dominate the conversation until their season is actually over.  But I really have not taken the time to go over everyone's roster.  Off the top of my head, I think MM is going to be very strong.   I do think next year Catholic has a great chance to put everything together.  They are missing a few pieces right now but Steve Howes is a good recruiter.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
Just for kicks, I ran the numbers.

Suquehanna as it went into the tournament selection process:
257 Susquehanna      16-7     .696     0.485     0.489

Susquehanna's numbers if all if Catholic's games were in-region:
253 Susquehanna      16-7     .696     0.487     0.490

You should look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2009, 06:25:00 AM
 Catholic U Men's basketball team :
   

2009 ECAC Division III South Men's Basketball Championship

First Round - Wednesday, March 4

No. 7 Grove City (12-12) at No. 2 Catholic (17-9), 7:30 p.m.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2009, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 10:22:04 PM

I realize there's apparently a lot of dislike for Catholic on here...why, I don't know, I guess when you have had a lot of success it makes you a target...but this particular line of discussion is a little ridiculous--as D-Mac has shown. 


Your cheerleading for Banzhaf has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.


As far as UAA vs. Landmark......

Catholic (#4 Landmark) vs. Carnegie Mellon (#3 UAA)   had CM winning by 5 early in the year. I think Scranton (#1 Landmark) vs. Brandeis (#2 UAA) on Neutral court should be a real interesting game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 03, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 10:22:04 PM

I realize there's apparently a lot of dislike for Catholic on here...why, I don't know, I guess when you have had a lot of success it makes you a target...but this particular line of discussion is a little ridiculous--as D-Mac has shown. 

I spent four years at Marymount, that's why I don't like Catholic.  ;)

(Just kidding, Matt - I actually have no problem with Catholic anymore... though I did hate 'em in my MU days!)

I'm glad to see more Crusader faithful here, but do y'all gotta be so negative???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 03, 2009, 10:31:31 AM
Grove City at 12-12 seems like a Maryville opponent that played them 4 times.
I believe the biggest game on the schedule for SU that could've made the difference (aside from title game) was Franklin and Marshall early.  If we had won that game, I think we might have gotten the edge. 

Both of these games should answer my questions about the top of our league competing in the top conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2009, 11:04:31 AM
The 2008-2009 all-Landmark Conference teams in the sport of men's basketball are as follow:
1st-Team
Pos-Name                                                     Class                  Hometown(High School)
G-Zach Ashworth, Scranton                     So.                      Doylestown, Pa. (Central Bucks West)
     
F-Jason Banzhaf, Catholic                            So.                       Livingston, N.J. (Seton Hall Prep.)
                 
G-Tom Izzo, USMMA                                So.                       Bridgeport, W.V. (Bridgeport)
         
F-Joel Patch, Susquehanna                           Sr.                        Conklin, N.Y(Susquehanna Valley)
               
G-Ryan FitzPatrick, Scranton                  Sr.                       Berwyn, Pa. (Conestoga) 
                             
G-Spenser Spencer, Susquehanna                Fr.                       Seattle, Wash. (Lakeside) 

 
2nd-Team
Pos-Name                                                     Class                  Hometown (High School)
F-Paul Biagioli, Scranton                         Sr.                       Waverly, Pa. (Abington Heights)

G-Jeff Berkey, Juniata                                   Jr.                        Stoystown, Pa. (Shanksville-Stonycreek) 
       
G-Darrin Boswell II, Goucher                     Sr.                        Nottingham, Md. (Joppatowne) 
   
F-Matt Hueber, USMMA                             So.                       Alexandria, Va. (Gonzaga College)
 
G-Ryan Samuel, USMMA                            Jr.                        Cedar Hill, Texas (Cedar Hill) 
         
G-Maurice Young, Moravian                       So.                       Philadelphia, Pa. (Chestnut Hill Academy)
     
Player of the Year: Joel Patch, Susquehanna
Defensive Player of the Year: Bryan Majors, Susquehanna
Rookie of the Year: Spenser Spencer, Susquehanna
Coaching Staff of the Year: Susquehanna University (Head Coach, Frank Marcinek)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 03, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
a well-deserved clean-sweep for the Crusaders!  congrats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 03, 2009, 11:15:35 AM
WOW!!!! I mean, just .... WOW!!!!  :o ;D

That is amazing, way to go SU!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
Glad you guys don't have anything to complain about with regards to Conference Awards. (You have been doing too much of that lately)


I think Scranton and Catholic might have some gripes...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 03, 2009, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
Glad you guys don't have anything to complain about with regards to Conference Awards. (You have been doing too much of that lately)

Hey now, not all of us...  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2009, 11:41:47 AM
WOW...Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year & Coach of the Year...kind of hard to believe this group is staying at home.
  Great job all year by Zach, Ryan & Paul of Scranton to earn these honors and lead the Royals into the tournament.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 03, 2009, 11:45:38 AM
A little down the road, first beat Brandeis!, but if scranton was to meet up with F and M, i like their chances.  I was there to see SU almost pull off an upset over then undefeated F and M, and wasn't as impressed as i should have been with a top-15 team.  

First of all, Paul Hawk vs. FandM's center is a gift for both---they have identical games.  Therefore, that matchup should be irrelevant, they will make eachother nonfactors with their defense.

Biagoli vs. McNally is what worries me if im a scranton fan.  McNally is a beast.  Biagoli is tough on the block, but is not a true post player. I have a feeling mcnally is going to get his, maybe lots, on the block....but biagoli must counter and get HIS by driving by a much slower mcnally on offense.

Guard wise... there is NO way scrantons guards matchup with F and Ms---some of the quickest and strongest i may have seen play the Crusaders all year.  SO, this means we should expect to see scranton's go-to matchup zone most of the game.

The matchup zone is a great call for two reasons---this will prevent FandM guards from having a field day driving against ash/fitz.  More importantly, FandM does NOT like to shoot the 3.  therefore, the matchup zone will cause their offensse to turn stagnant, make them shoot 3s...this could be the difference!

Im just trying to contribute POSITIVE input on this board, and seeing as how i am unfamiliar with Brandeis, here is F and M.
Over and out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 03, 2009, 12:19:15 PM
Royal fans don't forget about Brandeis, for my money they are the favorite coming out of this Lancaster pod. They come out of the UAA have at least one great player (DeLuca). If you beat them you will get lots of respect around the D3 world. F&M is a team of mostly sophomores plus the freshman NCAA.com cover boy the very talented Milligan, they may make a FF run next year so  they probably need more experience. You can hope for Wesley, I'm pretty sure you can take their small team run & gun attack.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2009, 12:24:03 PM
I don't think anyone is overlooking Brandeis.


Deluca , is he anything like Patch or Banzhaf?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2009, 12:44:19 PM
I think the winner of the Scranton-Brandeis game will go to the Sweet 16.  Good breakdown of F&M by SUhoops, but I'd also look at Scranton's huge advantage at the free throw line in that potential matchup (76% to 67%).  F&M's success this year has been a surprise to me, and I agree with D.B. that they might be a year away from making a deeper run. 

Looking forward to seeing the Scranton-Brandeis game.  I assume quite a few Scranton fans will make the trip, unless they stay home to watch the women's team.  Should be a great atmosphere as it usually is this time if year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2009, 01:19:37 PM
Scranton had better not be looking past Brandeis...they certainly have no reason to. Last season I do think they looked past Elms & ended up being run out of the gym. One would hope this 3rd. visit to the NCAA's with Coach Danzig's own recruits will be the charm.
  The one area that scares me is the fact the Judges are the # 1 three point shooting team in DIII and although Scranton can fire away with the best of them, they (Scranton) have also been known to get lazy with their perimeter D and if they do, it may be lights out early & not in a good way. There have been far too many games over the past few seasons where the Royals just wanted to outscore the opposition and rarely turn up the heat defensively. The exceptions are Paul Hawk & Paul Biagioli who play as tough as they can underneath.  However, if Scranton's guards do not get around screens quickly or are slow on switches the Brandeis kids will have many open looks & it certainly appears they've had success from the outside.
  Another area to watch for is how the game is called. Scranton has rarely gone more than 8 deep except for the last 2 minutes of blowouts so quick fouls on either Hawk or Biagioli could spell trouble. Hawk is one of the nations shot blockers & usually does a great job of avoiding the body contact...just hope the refs don't anticipate fouls & blow the whistle before seeing the play through.
  If Scranton gets serious about their perimeter defense they can certainly win this game. If they want to fall into old habits of matching basket for basket...they may not get the last shot as they have in the past few games & the rumble you hear in the background may be more than the bus starting up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 03, 2009, 05:17:38 PM
Congrats to all those awardwinners.  It was a nice sweep.  I think the program is in a better place than most people think.  A lot of talent on the bench this year that can be major contributors next year. 

Mcdevitt was a great player for SU and so was Patch but the team returns an awful lot and I am excited to see what they can do next year.

The coaching staff did a great job this year after losing kevin and josh arguably the two best players in the league last year.

I heard Banzhaf is going to the F + M game and he might be going there next year.  Any truth Matt? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on March 03, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
Steve De Luca and Terrell Hollins remember those two names on Brandeis who may have big games against Scranton. They are solid players with talent and have produced all year with Steve being an All-American. So the bigs better be ready to play some Defense against these two.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 03, 2009, 06:50:33 PM
Glad the awards are up now and all of our questions are answered. The clean sweep by SU surprises me, but it's hard to argue with the selections. Thought Hawk deserved DPOY especially with his last 2 performances holding the two best players in the league to 2-15 and 7-21 shooting...thought JB was going to be POY but like tpm has said he will probably get it the next two years so hard to feel bad for the guy...surprised by Izzo on 1st team over Samuel and Heuber but all were deserving (3 all conf guys returning for MM next year gonna make it tough for them not to be picked as the favorite)...looking forward to seeing how Scranton and Catholic do in the post season tournaments... wish Susq participated in the ECAC...obviously hard to argue with the coaching staff award with all the hard work that SU's staff puts in (in particular Ferko)...congrats to all the award winners who read this
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2009, 08:46:29 PM
So did Susquehanna completely dominate this conference and I somehow missed it?

EVERY award?  Really? 

Obviously, you all know my feelings on Patch vs. Banzhaf.  I figured Patch would win because he was a senior.  If Banzhaf was a senior, too, I think he would have won.  I disagree with that approach--its political.  So be it--congrats to Patch.  Great career, obviously an outstanding student.  Good for him.

I can't argue with Spenser Spencer--very deserving.  But Hawk had a very strong case for DPOY--and the coaching award puzzles me a little bit.  Not to say the Sus. staff is not deserving--I'm sure they do work hard.  But Catholic had the biggest turnaround year to year, and usually that merits some consideration, and Scranton did win the league (regular season).  So...little bit out of left field for me.

Sorry, susdad--Jason has some games to play still.  If Catholic takes care of business tomorrow night, he'll be occupied next weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
I've got no real problem with any of the awards handed out except Defensive POY. I'm sure the young man that won it did some real nice things & hounded the heck out of certain players this season. However, regardless of how good his D was, where did it get the Crusaders?
  On the other hand, Paul Hawk got everyones toughest assignment & where did his total shut down D get the Royals? Well, at least to Lancaster & the first round of the NCAA tournament. No doubt about it, his D on Banzoff & all the others before him are the reason the Royals may be headed for a showdown with the Fighting Amish...provided they get by the black robes first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2009, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
I've got no real problem with any of the awards handed out except Defensive POY. I'm sure the young man that won it did some real nice things & hounded the heck out of certain players this season. However, regardless of how good his D was, where did it get the Crusaders?
  On the other hand, Paul Hawk got everyones toughest assignment & where did his total shut down D get the Royals? Well, at least to Lancaster & the first round of the NCAA tournament. No doubt about it, his D on Banzoff & all the others before him are the reason the Royals may be headed for a showdown with the Fighting Amish...provided they get by the black robes first.

You're right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 04, 2009, 12:45:30 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2009, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
I've got no real problem with any of the awards handed out except Defensive POY. I'm sure the young man that won it did some real nice things & hounded the heck out of certain players this season. However, regardless of how good his D was, where did it get the Crusaders?
  On the other hand, Paul Hawk got everyones toughest assignment & where did his total shut down D get the Royals? Well, at least to Lancaster & the first round of the NCAA tournament. No doubt about it, his D on Banzoff & all the others before him are the reason the Royals may be headed for a showdown with the Fighting Amish...provided they get by the black robes first.

You're right.

2nd that...

Quote from: susiddad on March 03, 2009, 05:17:38 PM
Congrats to all those awardwinners.  It was a nice sweep.  I think the program is in a better place than most people think.  A lot of talent on the bench this year that can be major contributors next year. 

Mcdevitt was a great player for SU and so was Patch but the team returns an awful lot and I am excited to see what they can do next year.

The coaching staff did a great job this year after losing kevin and josh arguably the two best players in the league last year.

I heard Banzhaf is going to the F + M game and he might be going there next year.  Any truth Matt? 

I agree that the program is in a much better place then most might think. IMO Hunter McKain, Spenser, Cosgrove (if in shape), and Majors are a very nice returning group. Throw in a few of the other younger guys on the bench who will get their opportunities next season and a new freshman class (Coach Marcinek has done a great job recruiting in the past no reason for it not to continue) and this should be a good group.

I think the loss of Patch and McDevitt is going to sting a little early on. McDevitt was a great glue guy and was the reason they were able to secure the regular season title in '08, and IMHO Patch was the MVP of that team the last three years (not the most talented but the most valuable). Think you saw that this year with a little addition by subtraction losing some of the guys from last years squad. This years team while not as talented far exceeded the level of play of the teams SU has had the last few years (while Patch's individual numbers improved with the change as well).

And two best players??? Come on. I'll give u J-Rob being the most talented but taking Cuff over Arnold, Bicknell, Miller, and Earley? Not to mention your first year assistant coach from the 'Don via the 'Port. Thats just to much orange and maroon kool aid for you my friend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2009, 08:53:44 AM
Found some info on Brandeis. So you put DPOY Hawk on Deluca and Biagoli on the Center?

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Brandeis University Judges     
Rank in last d3hoops poll: NR         
Pool C qualifier from the University Athletic Association
17-8 Overall; 10-4 SCAC; Home 9-4; Away 8-4     
Head Coach - Brian Meehan (sixth season)         

Key Wins         
12-4 vs. Rhode Island College (75-61), 1-11 vs. Carnegie Mellon (69-57), 1-20 at Amherst (73-58), 2-13 at Carnegie Mellon (66-63)

Record Against NCAA Tourney Teams - (4-4) W-Rhode Island College, Amherst, Carnegie Mellon (twice); L-WPI, Umass-Dartmouth, Wash U (twice)         

Starters         
1 Andre Roberson, Point Guard      5'9," Jr    10.4 PPG, 4.7 APG, 79.6 FT%
25 Kenny Small, Shooting Guard           6'0" Jr    12.7 PPG; 59.1 3PT% (leads all of college basketball)
4 Kevin Olson, Small Forward                   6'4", Sr    11.5 PPG; 4.2 RPG; 24 STL
2 Steve DeLuca, Power Forward      6'6", GRAD 15.2 PPG; 6.8 RPG
52 Rich McGee, Center                      6'7", Jr     2.9 PPG, 3.0 RPG

Key Reserves         
33 Terrell Hollins, forward   6'4", Jr   9.1 PPG, 6.0 RPG
5 Christian Yemga, forward   6'5"  So   4.4 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 55.1 FG%
11 Tyrone Hughes, guard   5'9" Fr   3.2 PPG

Statistics         
Points/Game: Brandeis (72.7) Opponent (63.4)         
Rebounds/Game: Brandeis (32.1) Opponent (28.9)         
FG%: Brandeis (48.7) Opponent (43.3)         
3PT%: (45.4); FT% (72)         

Notes         
-Brandeis is in the tournament for the 3rd consecutive year; advanced to Round of 8 last year and 2nd round the year before that.

-Brandeis has had many different starting lineups this season, finally settling on Roberson/Small/Olson/DeLuca/McGee

-Hollins was a second-team all-UAA selection last season.

  Logged 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 04, 2009, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: BCannon on March 04, 2009, 12:45:30 AM

I think the loss of Patch and McDevitt is going to sting a little early on. McDevitt was a great glue guy and was the reason they were able to secure the regular season title in '08, and IMHO Patch was the MVP of that team the last three years (not the most talented but the most valuable). Think you saw that this year with a little addition by subtraction losing some of the guys from last years squad. This years team while not as talented far exceeded the level of play of the teams SU has had the last few years (while Patch's individual numbers improved with the change as well).

And two best players??? Come on. I'll give u J-Rob being the most talented but taking Cuff over Arnold, Bicknell, Miller, and Earley? Not to mention your first year assistant coach from the 'Don via the 'Port. Thats just to much orange and maroon kool aid for you my friend.

I have to agree that losing Patch and McDevitt is going to be big, dare I say maybe even bigger than the loss of J-Rob and Cuff. Cuff was a great player, probably a bit underrated, and J-Rob had a lot of potential but it just never happened (due to injuries and whatnot). I think Patch and McDevitt are both guys that make the team better, and that was the difference this year.

BTW Cannon, your Ferko cheerleading is cracking me up. It's like Matt and Banzhaf.  :) Not that Ferko hasn't been a great addition to the coaching staff, but methinks you're drinking a little blue and gold kool aid yourself.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 04, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
Based on the Hawk numbers for Blocks and playoff performances it is hard to argue that.  Majors had an incredible number of steals and some were with the game on the line to actually rip the ball from other players and seal a deal or get the lead in the minute.  He also led the league in assts. and asst. to to ratio .  not that it counts for defensive poy, but i think a share could've gone.

SU was picked 4th in preseason rankings and finished tied for 1st reg season when awards are decided.  That is why Ferko won the award, however I probably wouldv'e given it to USMMA staff. I am not sure they weren't the best coached team I saw in the league. 

As for Catholic winning the award, Letourneau, another example of your inability to see the big picture.  There is a lot of talent there.  They didn't defy odds.  They did what was expected of them this year and certainly underachieved last year which is why the "turnaround" is a little skewed.  The league was far better last year in talent and teams lost players (Scranton + SU esp.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 04, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 04, 2009, 09:23:00 AM

SU was picked 4th in preseason rankings and finished tied for 1st reg season when awards are decided. 

I have no problem with our staff winning the award, aside from the obvious. I don't think people were really expecting the run Susquehanna made this year; most people probably looked at the loss of Robinson and Cuff as more of a blow than it ended up being. Patch has always been a solid player but he didn't have the "star power" Robinson had.

Plus it was said on this board (ahem, Cannon I believe) that they would flame out in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe the awards were voted on before the postseason started, but I really believe this team exceeded expectations overall, and that's why the staff got the award.

As for Majors - I'm totally biased, I love that kid. So I'm not going to try to defend the pick.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 04, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 04, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 04, 2009, 09:23:00 AM

SU was picked 4th in preseason rankings and finished tied for 1st reg season when awards are decided. 

I have no problem with our staff winning the award, aside from the obvious. I don't think people were really expecting the run Susquehanna made this year; most people probably looked at the loss of Robinson and Cuff as more of a blow than it ended up being. Patch has always been a solid player but he didn't have the "star power" Robinson had.

Plus it was said on this board (ahem, Cannon I believe) that they would flame out in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe the awards were voted on before the postseason started, but I really believe this team exceeded expectations overall, and that's why the staff got the award.

As for Majors - I'm totally biased, I love that kid. So I'm not going to try to defend the pick.  :)

I did say that and they made me eat my words. Think this was a different kind of group and although I have no knowledge of the situation purely speculating here I think it had a lot to do with the senior leadership they had this year with McDevitt and Patch.

As for Ferko, I am just messing around hoping you all get to mess with him at the gym...as I'm sure he would tell you I was basically his KING for 4 years just keeping tradition alive.

I think Scranton on paper looks like they matchup favorably.

CUA vs. GC will be a good game I think. GC plays TOUGH D and is very disciplined. They will try to pack it in and make the CUA guards beat them. CUA in a close one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 04, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Hey Cannon, the SU women's staff also won Coaching Staff of the Year... does that mean Ferko was helping them out too??  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LandFan on March 04, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
BCannon,I agree 100% about the senior leadership SU had this yr with McDevitt and Patch.But I must add they also had 3 other seniors on the team as well.All 3 of them had started various times in the last 4 yrs. This year 2 were not in the rotation and the other one was Majors backup. All had great attitudes about the team 1st. They were all about the team winning. That is a testament to Frank and his staff.

On next years favorite it would have to be Merchant Marine in my opinion. But you never know who transfers in or out and what recruits come to each team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: SUhoops on March 04, 2009, 03:32:39 PM
Wow, quite the resume for Brandeis...  i'm sure the masterminds up in scranton must be working on a game plan.  All around constistent, solid play (tough big forwards, quick, sharp-shooting guards) in a team is something scranton has probably seen little of this year.

If this DeLuca guy is as 'beastly' as advertised, scranton may struggle.  As good of a SHOT BLOCKER Hawk is, if there is a big man backing him down in the post, i feel hes not as effective because he gets blocks from his length, not strength.  He thrives on guards driving to the basket and throwing up a prayer or big man playing weakly and falling away as they shoot to get his blocks (with all due respect though, the kid def. knows how to block a shot).  But then again, Banzhaf is a back to the basket player and Hawk owned him, so maybe its just a matter of how Paul is feeling that day as to how he will play D.

Scranton guards really need to bring their perimeter D... finally, they get a taste of their own medicine, trying to prevent a top 3pt shooter in the nation from shooting.  The problem is, as we all know and it has been discussed on this board, their perimeter d can be lazy, lacking, nonexistent at times...once again, do they feel like playing D that day?  NCAA tourney round 1---I would think so!!

This will be a true test to see how the top of the Landmark matches up with a really good team...as some have claimed don't exist in the Landmark (i beg to differ).  If they win this game, they can prepare for a similar matchup with FandM (of course, if they win).  Great Forwards, VERY tough guards.

For the sake of the Landmark conference, i hope they go out and gain our conference some respect!
over and out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 04, 2009, 03:40:01 PM
Hope Catholic can pull it back together a little bit and win the ECAC tournament. Would be a nice confidence booster for next year and it always looks nice to have 20 wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2009, 04:15:25 PM
If this game was at the Long Center I would be feeling confident. As already mentioned Hawk is going to have to shut down Deluca. I also think Scranton will have to shoot a little better than they did in the Landmark Tournament (I am thinking closer to their average of 47% and 41% from 3PT):

vs. Catholic

FG: 43.6%   
3-PT : 36.4% 


vs. SU

FG: 41.4%
3-PT : 30.8%
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2009, 11:03:33 PM
Catholic defeated Grove City 75-59.  The Cardinals were led by should-have-been Landmark POY (couldn't resist fellas!) Jason Banzhof's 20 points and 10 rebounds.  Spenser Reed also had a nice game with 14.  Catholic trailed by 1 at halftime as GC was very hot from 3.  However, they made some nice halftime adjustments, ran a trap really well for almost the whole second half, and played much better perimeter defense which shut down GC's open looks.  GC is a well disclipined, well coached team but they lack quickness and ball handling which Catholic exploited in the second half.  Offensively, Catholic got much more aggressive in the 2nd half and really took the ball to the hole, which paid off. 

Catholic will take on Washington and Jefferson at Cabrini on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 12:30:06 AM
Congrats on the big win for the Catholic program.  WE know the program is in a good place when we are reding about ecac contests against grove city?  The mere fact Catholic is playing in the ecac's and their #1 fan is hootin and hollering should let you know where the program is. 

We read a lot of stuff about the history of Scranton and Danzig getting UNFAIR junk thrown at him, yet Catholic wins 7 games last year and is playin ecac hoops and your keeping it positive?  Surprising.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
Meanwhile in the big boy tournament:


Of course Mr. Coleman has Deluca (Brandeis) on his front page and has Brandeis going to the Sweet 16 and perhaps Eltie 8 by knocking off Ithaca.

I think the general perception is the winner of Scranton-Brandeis can get by F & M and into the Sweet Sixteen.

I heard Cold Case rented a van and is taking some D3hoop all stars including: Colonel John, Saratoga and Warren Thompson to Lancaster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on March 05, 2009, 10:49:49 AM
I arrived a few minutes late to the Catholic game last night. It was no better than an average high school game. I was disappointed at the "level' of play. I was also disappointed at the level of enthusiasm on both benches. Consolation tournaments might be limited to underclassman only. Maybe the kids would play with more effort. The refs even looked bored.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
Maybe the 4th asst coach should be held accountable for this as he is responsible for in game motivation and keeping the refs hydrated. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 05, 2009, 12:01:22 PM
F&M has to get by Wesley first.  Either way Saturdays game will be a good one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 03:56:53 PM
Why no karma.  I have -14?  Maybe I can hire a Catholic asst. to recruit me some more Karma....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 05, 2009, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 03:56:53 PM
Why no karma.  I have -14?  Maybe I can hire a Catholic asst. to recruit me some more Karma....

and that would be why....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 10:06:30 PM
how did i lose more karma from a joke post like that?

perhaps the 4th-8th assts didnt find it so funny on the Catholic bench.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
SUSIDDAD: Could you enlighten me...what is the "unfair junk thrown' at Coach Danzig?
 Is it when fans state the obvious such as Scranton will only win against good teams should they decide to play D, or they sometimes appear unprepaired for the start of games or that they seem to have missed the opportunity to replace key elements of the team (point guard & post) yet again? Other than that, I don't believe I've ever seen or heard anyone question his passion or commitment to the game.
 He's winning...but, certainly the program has not re-established itself as one of the premier teams you can count on being in the National mix year in & year out as they once were. In this regard, there is still much work to do. The Scranton women seem to reload each & every year & put themselves in the position to make progress in the NCAA's...the men have yet to do so & hopefully that can be addressed beginning tomorrow.
 I think he works very hard & at some point the kids have to execute. On his bench is one of the best Defensive minded coaches out there in Canio Cianci. However, even though you know the kids are getting great lessons from a master...they still need to make it happen. Since Coach Danzig has been at Scranton they've done pretty well...won more than they lost, won 2 straight Landmark Championships, an MAC Freedom banner, made it to the tournament a few times & the kids he brings in seem to enjoy playing for him. In reality, that's half the battle...the other half is great recruiting, retention, consistency & winning once you make the tourney...that segment of the equation is still under construction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2009, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: Innerloop on March 05, 2009, 10:49:49 AM
I arrived a few minutes late to the Catholic game last night. It was no better than an average high school game. I was disappointed at the "level' of play. I was also disappointed at the level of enthusiasm on both benches. Consolation tournaments might be limited to underclassman only. Maybe the kids would play with more effort. The refs even looked bored.

I'm a little puzzled by this.  I wonder if you were jaded some by the atmosphere--or lack thereof.   As you might have guessed, Catholic's on spring break--there are no students around.  The game came together late and the school didn't push to publicize it--so the place was dead. 

The level of play stuff is kind of silly--if you were watching that game and even a good high school game back to back, you'd see a big difference.   Neither team played great but both looked pretty decent. 

What puzzles me is your lack of enthusiasm comment--maybe you were behind the Grove City bench?  They are what they are--that's just their thing.   Its a very religious place--the coaches don't yell, don't swear, etc.  They stay positive no matter what.  I don't if that's lack of enthusiam or what--there were times when I found it odd too.

But on the Catholic side--they didn't play well in the first half.  But they were fired up in the second, and clearly the guys were into it--didn't you hear and see them on the traps?  The bench was making a lot of noise, high fiving, etc, when the guys on the floor were successfully executing those traps.  If Catholic was playing with no effort last night, then I wished they had played with no effort all season because they played very well in the second and finished the game strong, which, uh, has been a bit of a problem, at least in the Scranton zip code...

Seriously, I think it was just the dead atmosphere that got you...understandably.  But believe me, those guys wanted to win that game.  I know the CUA players did, they feel like they still have something to prove.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
I have heard read some negative comments on this board and dont think they are just.  I dont remember the exact posts sorry for that.  All in all, Scranton is lucky to have him.  Heck of a job. Back to Back titles even with Kobe , i mean banzhaf in the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 05, 2009, 11:19:13 PM
The bench was making a lot of noise, high fiving, etc,


Amazing.  Hats of to the #5 asst. for making sure the kids were high fiving. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
No, not amazing.  Just what you would expect.  Just happens to counter another observation about the level of enthusiasm at that particular game. 

But if you want to be an obnoxious ass (clearly you do), don't let me stop you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 06, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
Just playin around Matt.  I don't want to be an obnoxious ass.  I want to discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.  I am sorry if you viewed me as an ass.  I value reading your posts.  I suppose my negative karma means people dont enjoy mine. 

I will button it up a little more so I am more well liked. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2009, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 06, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
Just playin around Matt.  I don't want to be an obnoxious ass.  I want to discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.  I am sorry if you viewed me as an ass.  I value reading your posts.  I suppose my negative karma means people dont enjoy mine. 

I will button it up a little more so I am more well liked. 



Drop the Catholic Assistant Coaches jokes and you will be halfway there.


Danzig has something like a 65% winning percentage, not bad. As far as no point or post recruits, they seem to be doing okay without them.


Brandeis is a good team, but so is Scranton. The team and its five seniors know what they have to do, now go out and EXECUTE!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
Looking for a good crowd at F&M tonight.
Starting a junior, 3 sophomores, and a freshman, F&M is looking forward to see how they match up with more experienced teams.  Even F&M's only senior still has another year of eligibility left.  Unfortunately for the fans, he has already been accepted into a PhD program for math.  Selig is a true D3 scholar athlete.  He, also, plays the saxophone and has his own radio segment on the college station. Dan will be missed when he ends his playing career at F&M.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 06, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
Quote from: LandFan on March 04, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
BCannon,I agree 100% about the senior leadership SU had this yr with McDevitt and Patch.But I must add they also had 3 other seniors on the team as well.All 3 of them had started various times in the last 4 yrs. This year 2 were not in the rotation and the other one was Majors backup. All had great attitudes about the team 1st. They were all about the team winning. That is a testament to Frank and his staff.

LandFan, I missed this earlier but I did want to say I agree with you. This was a special group of seniors. Chad Cohle was a co-captain (with Patch) and he and Zac Smith both came back after a year abroad (right?) and Todd DeNapoli is a heck of a player as well. Really, this was a true team this year and I think our seniors totally exemplified that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on March 06, 2009, 02:11:03 PM
Hey Matt,

Just as a conversation starter to get away from SUICIDEDAD (SUSIDAD). How do you think the strong teams of the Catholic vs Goucher era would have faired in this league? Would they match up easily and crush the Landmark's top teams this year? The teams from 1995-2000 specifically

You would be able to answer this question since you have been around the CAC for awhile. I understand there was some top-notch national talent on both squads back in the day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
OK, tipoff in a few minutes so the prediction has to come now. What type of teams give the Royals problems? One are the very quick up & down teams that are very athletic & the other seems to be those teams that pass the ball extremly well & have that one big guy that they can play inside out with. Seems like the Judges fit the bill for the latter & since the Royals have yet to prove they can play defense with a purpose, I've got a tough time thinking all of a sudden they'll put it all together. Please prove me wrong...Judges 77/Royals 68.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2009, 08:39:22 PM
Okay...well, I went on to see what time Scranton played tonight--and it turns out they already played and they lost.  Didn't look especially close.

So much for that.

TPM--good discussion topic.  Since apparently we have some time, I'll hold off for right now but will weigh in later.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2009, 10:45:08 PM
Scranton played a decent first half and were able to keep the score close, but Brandeis had too many weapons.  Number 33 for Brandeis must have had a career night from the way he was acting.  He seemed surprised to be scoring so easily.  Brandeis' guard Small was too much for the Royals to handle.  DeLucia is dominant player and will give F&M fits.  Olson, the national leader in 3-shooting percentage, had an off night(3/7.  Scranton's height didn't come into play as Brandeis seemed to dominate the boards.  Half-way through the second half, Scranton seemed to pack in and were ready to go home.  Disappointing second half by the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2009, 11:29:02 PM
Reserved Seat: Your description just about sums up another futile Scranton attempt at the NCAA's this decade. Somewhere, somehow they will allow someone to have a career night while they find a way to not get it done in a big game. Exactly why some alumni refer to them as the "one & done" Royals in recent years. Not playing all out till the very end in the tournament...inexcusable!
  Cruelest statement made tonight at the Long Center during the womens game when the score was announced..."At least the varsity will probably win tonight". So much work to do...so little time.
  Best of luck to F&M tomorrow! Best of luck to the Royals 5 seniors!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2009, 12:05:44 AM
   Royals outworked for rebounds and loose balls. Talent is good enough to win at the Landmark, Freedom, or Commonwealth level but not enough work to win at the NCAA tourney level. Positives were jumping off to 11-4 lead, numerous blocked shots in the first half, and offensive success of Paul B. throughout.
   This was a winable game unlike Elms last year when the Royals held a 3-pt lead part way thru the 2nd half and ran out of gas against a relentless defense.
Despite a 11-1 offensive rebound disadvantage and 10 turnovers in the 1st half alone, the Royals trailed only 34-31 after what should have been the final shot of the half by Brandeis only to have a long rebound go off and over Dan O'Connell's hand to the sideline where Brandeis drained a 3 pt-er in the final second to make it a 6 pt-deficit. Coach Danzig was not a happy camper on the way to the locker.
   Paul Hawk not able to play; a significant factor similar to the Catholic game(the only one of the 3 that Catholic won) that he missed with the original injury. Still, with being outworked, likely not to have made enough difference, Guards had trouble finishing moves against Brandeis quickness.
   All in all, a successful 4 years for the seniors with 3 Ncaas and 2 conference titles.
   Brandeis and F&M match up well; I'll go with F&M by 5(the home court advantage).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
Look--I wouldn't be beating up those Scranton guys too much--they certainly had a very successful career.  Sometimes success in the NCAAs has a lot to do with the draw--and it sounds like Brandeis has a chance to keep playing for a while.  I know that a few years ago I really felt that Catholic was at least a sweet 16 team talent-wise...and indeed they won their first round game handily until running into Lincoln.  They hung with Lincoln pretty much the whole game--but those guys were really good...and we ended up seeing that as Lincoln took the eventual national champ to 3ots or whatever it was.   A different opponent and Catholic might have at least proceeded one more round. 

Anyway, point is, its a little tough at this moment to tell how disappointing it was for Scranton to lose last night.  Their seniors had great careers regardless and I see no reason why the entire program and its supporters shouldn't be proud of what they accomplished. 

Obviously the bottom line in this world is results and winning, but there are other things at play, too...I've said the same thing to a few people who are upset that Catholic hasn't quite had the results the last few years...program wise, what is happening?  Are the guys still performing academically? Yes.  Are they graduating in 4 years (except for finanical issues or other factors like that)?  Yes.  Are they messing around with shady transfers ala more than a few CAC teams? No.  Do the players and coaches conduct themselves with dignity, play hard, and represent the school well on and off the court?  Yes.   Well, then I'd say the program is in good shape.  Are they moving in the right direction (for instances, are we seeing improvement from individual players year to year, indicating that they are working hard?)  Yes. And from what I can tell, the same things all apply to Scranton.  As much as we all want our teams to win, THAT is really the most important thing.

Now, with all that said...I'm looking forward to the next season of Catholic basketball--a couple more w's and this program should be back in contention.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
What happened to Paul Hawk?


Londo filled in nicely, but I wonder how much that changed the game. Would love to see Eli back for another year, he has 1 year of eligibility left.

I am going to wait and see what Coach Danzig brings in this year before I push the panic button.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2009, 12:03:49 PM
   Yes, I should emphasize that the team has accomplished a lot in their 4 years, that they are achieving every program and academic aspect that you mentioned, Matt, and that Coach Danzig classily thanked the 100 fans there for their support of the players and program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2009, 09:48:15 PM
Catholic's season ended tonight also...with a loss to Washington and Jefferson 57-41.

I have no idea what happened, but...

Free Throws/Attempts:  Washington and Jefferson 21-28
                                       Catholic 1-3

Uhhh....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2009, 11:15:12 PM
Wow 1 for 3.
I wonder what the record is for fewest foul shots in a game.  Three has to be close to the record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2009, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
What happened to Paul Hawk?


Londo filled in nicely, but I wonder how much that changed the game. Would love to see Eli back for another year, he has 1 year of eligibility left.

I am going to wait and see what Coach Danzig brings in this year before I push the panic button.

  Someone said Paul was a medical scratch and not able to practice all week. Eli did have 5 blocks and I should have mentioned him individually but they came so fast and furiously that I lost track of who was doing what.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Let's see...F&M is essentially an underclass laden team with zero playoff experience & Scranton is a senior dominated team with 3 years experince going to the NCAA tournament. Scranton gets blown out by Brandeis...F&M somehow finds a way to get it done against Brandeis. Oh, that's right...a bad draw yet again for the Royals. F&M 1-0 thus far...Scranton 0-3 & counting. Go figure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2009, 07:51:02 AM
Why was this a bad draw for Scranton?  This was suppose to be the easy bracket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2009, 08:57:44 AM
I think he was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 07, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Let's see...F&M is essentially an underclass laden team with zero playoff experience & Scranton is a senior dominated team with 3 years experince going to the NCAA tournament. Scranton gets blown out by Brandeis...F&M somehow finds a way to get it done against Brandeis. Oh, that's right...a bad draw yet again for the Royals. F&M 1-0 thus far...Scranton 0-3 & counting. Go figure.

'toga, in regards to that 0-3 record: That's what Danzig is without Bessoir's players.
Also, nothing has changed over the years since F&M continues to host NCAA tourney games that include Scranton. Either that or it goes to a nuteral site. Although this year Scranton didn't deserve to host.
I think there are some old Scranton fans that know what I mean.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 08, 2009, 11:23:40 AM
all in all, Scranton had a great season.  team won two awesome playoff games and a reg. seasno title and playoff one.  Heck of a job.  Tough to compete at the highest of high levels nationally without a top of notch player or two (for the most part)...Scranton just has a lot of good players and shooters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
CC I guess getting to host the Dips in the sectionals in 1988 dosen't seem like enough. Although F&M hosted Scranton several times (?'77, '81, '84. '86, '91) but in all those hosting choices except for possibly '88 Dips were either higher nationally ranked or it was an essentially even between both teams. The loudest complaints I remember hearing were at the neutral Widener site ('87) when Royals had to play host Widener in 1st round & Dips got the weaker opponent as if they were the higher seed. But anyone coming out of there needed to beat the host team anyway. Likely the Royals should have hosted at least one of those NCAA games, but I am not sure which one(s).

It also reminds me how the Wilkes faithful claim they should have 100% surely hosted the E8 game in '96 even though both teams were 29-1 but Dips were ranked 2nd nationally to the Colonels 8th, they could at least admit it was a challenging decision.

Finally, I'm not sure what has changed but since 1996 the NCAA committee has done F&M no favors (like entire 2000 FF run on the road & skipped regularly in at-large bids). This year was there 1st kindness shown in a Pool C bid plus a close hosting call.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 03:23:50 PM
F&M also hosted a second-round game and a sectional in 2004.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2009, 04:58:48 PM
Pat: We were talking only about the disparity in the number of times F&M hosted over specifically Scranton. Scranton did not play at Mayser in 2004.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
Finally, I'm not sure what has changed but since 1996 the NCAA committee has done F&M no favors (like entire 2000 FF run on the road & skipped regularly in at-large bids). This year was there 1st kindness shown in a Pool C bid plus a close hosting call.

I'm suggesting that a sectional hosting nod in 2004 is both since 1996 and good for F&M.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2009, 05:17:30 PM
Pat. I see that point that the pick of F&M as the host, in a close call over the only alternative that was close to all the schools New Jersey City, was favorable. Amherst may have been a slightly higher seed but was not centrally located so not good as for keeping costs down. I think that decision was made by NCAA for purely cost saving & gym size reasons to come to Lancaster, but it could be reasonably considered as a favor to the Dips.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2009, 06:00:28 PM

That is bad luck. regarding Paul Hawk...sorry to hear that.


Desales in sweet sixteen too I see , pressure has to be mounting for Danzig..

  Someone said Paul was a medical scratch and not able to practice all week. Eli did have 5 blocks and I should have mentioned him individually but they came so fast and furiously that I lost track of who was doing what.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 09, 2009, 09:09:19 AM
"Desales in sweet sixteen too I see , pressure has to be mounting for Danzig.."


These are the jabs I was referring to.  Pressure?  I think it is comical.  Scranton is one 12 d3 schools in the country (guess?) to make it to the last tournaments.  NEPAFAN...You deserve to lose karma points at the mere suggestion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 09, 2009, 09:09:19 AM
"Desales in sweet sixteen too I see , pressure has to be mounting for Danzig.."


These are the jabs I was referring to.  Pressure?  I think it is comical.  Scranton is one 12 d3 schools in the country (guess?) to make it to the last tournaments.  NEPAFAN...You deserve to lose karma points at the mere suggestion.


What jab? You don't think that Coach Danzig, his assistants, and the players are not frustrated by the one and done appearances in the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 09, 2009, 02:33:13 PM
To be honest.  I don't.  I think they had a very successful season getting the most out of their palyers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 11, 2009, 09:42:10 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 09, 2009, 09:09:19 AM
"Desales in sweet sixteen too I see , pressure has to be mounting for Danzig.."
These are the jabs I was referring to.  Pressure?  I think it is comical.  Scranton is one 12 d3 schools in the country (guess?) to make it to the last tournaments.  NEPAFAN...You deserve to lose karma points at the mere suggestion.

Why should NEPA lose karma? He's giving his opinion. This is Scranton, not Susquehanna. You know? SU is happy with making the conference tournament now and then and is unfamiliar with the NCAA tourney scene while NEPA is used to following a team that was a serious national title contender every year under Bob Bessoir.
You know?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2009, 10:31:41 AM
FYI - you never know why someone loses karma... someone who is just catching up with things posted several weeks ago could have disagreed with something he wrote about. Heck, it could be something written on a different page. It is rather hard to draw a straight line between a recent post and a plus or minus of one's karma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2009, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 09, 2009, 09:09:19 AM
  NEPAFAN...You deserve to lose karma points at the mere suggestion.

Lobbying for me to take a hit... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 11, 2009, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 11, 2009, 10:31:41 AM
FYI - you never know why someone loses karma... someone who is just catching up with things posted several weeks ago could have disagreed with something he wrote about. Heck, it could be something written on a different page. It is rather hard to draw a straight line between a recent post and a plus or minus of one's karma.

You mean if someone brings up a post about a year ago when another poster wrote Goucher being one of the teams that's the future of the league?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2009, 03:29:13 PM
susiddad: If you somehow think when Scranton's game with Brandeis was over that the kids & coaching staff sat around & had a discussion about how wonderful their season really was & that this one game should not detract from all that was accomplished & beautiful...then you either are not dealing with reality or you attended the Stuart Smalley coaching academy.
 I somehow doubt Coach Danzig was saying Stuart's byline prior to the game..."I'm going to do a terrific job coaching today. And, we will eventually win an NCAA game too. Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me"  My take is Coach Danzig is a pretty competitive guy & these ongoing losses I would hope are not sitting very well with him or the student-athletes playing the game. That said, it doesn't mean life is horrible or that everything accomplished during the past 4 years was a waste for the seniors...they did excell in a great number of areas & those things should be remembered.
 The problem is, what will also be remembered is that F&M won more games in one NCAA weekend this year than the Royals have won in the past 6.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 12, 2009, 12:12:08 AM
Saratoga,

Multiple inappropriate comments on your part.  Instead of knocking you, I would rather once again congratulate Scranton on two more titles this season and a good job. 

I am sure with this type of success it is only a matter of time till Scranton gets a couple of wins in the tourney.  Stay positive; the negativity is not going to make Bessoir like you any more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2009, 12:48:49 AM
Quote from: susiddad on March 12, 2009, 12:12:08 AM
Multiple inappropriate comments on your part. 

Man, the irony ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 12, 2009, 07:59:25 AM
 ::) funny haha... Lets refocus to Susquehanna and the begining of the Spenser Spenser campaign for player of the year next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 15, 2009, 12:00:35 AM
Good for F&M making it to the Final Four with such a young team...still hard to believe the UofS Royals with a veteran squad are still 0 for the decade with non-Bess recruits. Will the ongoing absence of a true point & big that can play keep the Royals on the outside looking in for the next few years??? Will they ever learn defense wins games...(please refer to the Lady Royals). One would hope that a very serious attempt at recruiting will finally take place in Royalville. It certainly seems it's time to bring some form of exciting basketball back to the Long Center if they ever desire to have fans actually looking forward to a mens game again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 15, 2009, 12:48:19 AM
How about SU losing to fm by two at the buzzer one the road.  If Su wins that game and the refs dont bail F and M might be in the tourney.

Toga, despite your despicable treatment of past Scranton seasons, their time in the might landmark is up. It is all about Catholic and Su for the next couple of years.

If you combined goucher, moravian, drew, and juniata and took the best players do you think in a 5 on 1 they can beat Banzhaf (jk)  or realistically win the league?  I am noit sure they do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 15, 2009, 10:12:30 AM
susiddad: Just calling it like I see it. Believe me, I wish a million times over it wasn't so. All of us that have followed Royal basketball have witnessed a steady decline in support & interest by the students themselves that mirrors the current direction of the stock market. It was not very long ago that opposing teams dreaded coming to play in the Long Center because of the crowds & the atmosphere that made regular season games seem like playoffs.
  Certainly Coach Danzig can not be expected to be in charge of marketing as well coaching but, clearly there is a disconnect somewhere that has interest in mens basketball at an all time low. This apathy can not be directly related to winning & losing because the Royals continue, at least to this point, to win more than they drop...in the regular season anyway.
  Will interest in Royal basketball return? Well, just like the market itself I certainly hope it starts heading back in the right direction & sooner rather than later. However, it's pretty clear there is much work to be done & many issues to be addressed. And maybe, just maybe...winning a big game or two on the national scene just might spark some carryover interest to the following year.
  By the way, F&M is in "the tourney"...I think you meant to say "not". Also, I think you also meant to imply (Scranton's) time "winning" the Landmark is "up" rather than "their time in the might landmark is up". Hang in there, take 2 advil, get a little sleep & all will be well.
 
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 15, 2009, 10:08:50 PM
toga, well said. Would agree with your sentiments.  As far as interest in the team itself, I don't know how you fix that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on March 16, 2009, 11:30:30 PM
Saratoga & susiddad,

I have seen your debate unfold on here with some curiosity over the past few weeks, glad I can kick in a bit now...

On the subject of Coach Danzig and the absence of recent NCAA wins, I am sure it is a bit disappointing. My uncle graduated from Scranton in '77 and I grew up hearing all about those teams in the glory days. On the present stage, that sets a tough bar to reach. If I were in your shoes, perhaps I would be disappointed as well, but the team is still grabbing 20+ wins a season and has won 3 of their last 4 confernece titles- the first one of which came at the expense of my team. While it may not be the Bess days all over again, that's still pretty darn good, and many programs out there would love to have that level of performance. Most importantly, as I believe you both said, the players are graduating and enjoying a quality college experience. No doubt better days will be ahead, and don't lose sight of the good things in the mix.

With regards to student interest, the championship game we played there was  packed, but the three regular-season games were also quite well attended. Some of that could be chalked up to a local rival on a weeknight, but it was still a good crowd. IMHO, it can be tough to get a good student crowd at any D3 school, esp. on the weekends- most students are either studying, home for the weekend, or recovering from the Friday night adventures. It was the same with basketball and football for me- you get some students, you have the tremendous family support, and you get a group of local fans who come out for some games. Again, some matchups were different- the Mayor's Cup games packed in the crowds in my first few years- but other games don't get the turnout.

Best wishes on your off-season everyone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 17, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Banzhaff is going to towson.  Road is now clear for SU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 17, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Banzhaff is going to towson.  Road is now clear for SU.

Wasn't funny the first time. You a broken record?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 17, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 17, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Banzhaff is going to towson.  Road is now clear for SU.

C'mon dude, seriously...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 18, 2009, 12:02:59 AM
Congrats to Banzhaf and Patch on their awards...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 18, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
Banzhaf was first-team all-region; Patch was second-team.

*ducks to avoid the I-told-you-sos from Matt*  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 15, 2009, 10:12:30 AM
susiddad: Just calling it like I see it. Believe me, I wish a million times over it wasn't so. All of us that have followed Royal basketball have witnessed a steady decline in support & interest by the students themselves that mirrors the current direction of the stock market. It was not very long ago that opposing teams dreaded coming to play in the Long Center because of the crowds & the atmosphere that made regular season games seem like playoffs.
  Certainly Coach Danzig can not be expected to be in charge of marketing as well coaching but, clearly there is a disconnect somewhere that has interest in mens basketball at an all time low. This apathy can not be directly related to winning & losing because the Royals continue, at least to this point, to win more than they drop...in the regular season anyway.
  Will interest in Royal basketball return? Well, just like the market itself I certainly hope it starts heading back in the right direction & sooner rather than later. However, it's pretty clear there is much work to be done & many issues to be addressed. And maybe, just maybe...winning a big game or two on the national scene just might spark some carryover interest to the following year.
  By the way, F&M is in "the tourney"...I think you meant to say "not". Also, I think you also meant to imply (Scranton's) time "winning" the Landmark is "up" rather than "their time in the might landmark is up". Hang in there, take 2 advil, get a little sleep & all will be well.
 
 


Nature of the beast. Internet, Video Games, TV, kids have more to entertain them....can you tell me what school at the D3 level has been packing in the fans?


I heard Danzig is going to start a reality show to find replacements for Hawk, Biagoli, Londo, and Fuller.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 18, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
Banzhaf was first-team all-region; Patch was second-team.

*ducks to avoid the I-told-you-sos from Matt*  :)

I figured that would come up -- I suspect people need to remember that one is a guard and the other is a forward, so they were not voted on in comparison to each other. Banzhaf simply rated higher among forwards than Patch did among guards. It would be tough to beat Johnson and Braswell in this region, to be sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 18, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
Banzhaf was first-team all-region; Patch was second-team.

*ducks to avoid the I-told-you-sos from Matt*  :)

I figured that would come up -- I suspect people need to remember that one is a guard and the other is a forward, so they were not voted on in comparison to each other. Banzhaf simply rated higher among forwards than Patch did among guards. It would be tough to beat Johnson and Braswell in this region, to be sure.


Patch is a guard?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2009, 11:22:50 AM
That's how he was nominated. Does he play the 3, perhaps?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
Yeah - I was going to ask why he was nominated as a guard. He could play the 3... but he was really a 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 18, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
Patch is not a guard.  Someone screwed up there.  Not a big deal.

Personally, I would have placed JB as first team all region over Patch because he is a better player, but not player of the year in conference.  He'll get that next year.

I wonder if in the all region voting each coach on your staff gets a vote, hence JB getting from the bench at CUA. (jk calm down people)



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2009, 05:35:37 PM
It's SIDs -- SIDs nominate and SIDs vote.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 18, 2009, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: susiddad on March 18, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
Patch is not a guard.  Someone screwed up there.  Not a big deal.

Personally, I would have placed JB as first team all region over Patch because he is a better player, but not player of the year in conference.  He'll get that next year.

I wonder if in the all region voting each coach on your staff gets a vote, hence JB getting from the bench at CUA. (jk calm down people)





Well, it took me half the year, but I finally got that.

Patch is certainly not a guard.  Odd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2009, 09:50:59 PM
Maybe Spencer x 2 will be in the post next year, Majors will move to the 2 guard & Cosgrove will move to the point since it appears our SID's love those 6'7" guards.
  Regardless, congrats to both players...well deserved.
                       
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 26, 2009, 09:55:06 AM
More congrats - Joel Patch first team, Zach Ashworth second team all-Middle Atlantic District (NABC).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/all-districtD3.pdf
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 26, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 26, 2009, 09:55:06 AM
More congrats - Joel Patch first team, Zach Ashworth second team all-Middle Atlantic District (NABC).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/all-districtD3.pdf


Congrats to Zach and Joel. No Banzhaf?? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 26, 2009, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 26, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 26, 2009, 09:55:06 AM
More congrats - Joel Patch first team, Zach Ashworth second team all-Middle Atlantic District (NABC).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/all-districtD3.pdf


Congrats to Zach and Joel. No Banzhaf?? ;D

LOL... I managed to resist!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on March 26, 2009, 11:36:33 PM
This is questionable at best...not that Patch and Ashworth don't deserve recognition but no Banzhaf makes no sense unless susidad is making the list/team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 27, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
NABC = National Association of Basketball Coaches. Not saying that makes it right (or that I even agree with it), just sayin'.

for all the joking about Banzhaf, I was surprised he wasn't on the list.

Pat, any wisdom to add? I'm guessing you're familiar with NABC and how their voting works?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2009, 11:12:20 AM
All I really know is that coaches have to nominate players and every coach gets a ballot. It doesn't appear there are any position guidelines for voters to follow or anything like that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 27, 2009, 12:00:30 PM
I'm going to pre-empt susiddad:

So maybe the fifth assistant at Catholic forgot to nominate Banzhaf.

</sarcasm>  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 27, 2009, 01:49:01 PM
 :( you beat me too it.  I think its possible that because he is going to Delaware next year that they didnt want to reward him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on March 27, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
also worth noting my karma went up from -31 to -30!!!! Watch out people things are going with the me from now on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
  Montgomery County Gazette article that Nate Koenig of BCC  High School will play @ Catholic; he's a 3-yr starter @ guard and among the school's all-time leaders in points, rebs, assists, and 3-pt goals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2009, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 29, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
  Montgomery County Gazette article that Nate Koenig of BCC  High School will play @ Catholic; he's a 3-yr starter @ guard and among the school's all-time leaders in points, rebs, assists, and 3-pt goals.


Ronk,


Wrong team!! Or has Banzhaf lured you to become a Catholic Cardinal fan? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 02, 2009, 01:29:06 AM
 Well, I could say I know Coach Howes or my wife is a CU grad(both true), but the main reason is I saw it in the paper and our chat group has said they're interested in conference recruiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 02, 2009, 09:22:37 AM
What???!?!?!


Unacceptable! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 03, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2009, 01:29:06 AM
Well, I could say I know Coach Howes or my wife is a CU grad(both true), but the main reason is I saw it in the paper and our chat group has said they're interested in conference recruiting.

Your wife had excellent taste...in colleges at least.   ;D

Sounds like a nice catch for the Cardinals.  I have high hopes for next season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 03, 2009, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 03, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2009, 01:29:06 AM
Well, I could say I know Coach Howes or my wife is a CU grad(both true), but the main reason is I saw it in the paper and our chat group has said they're interested in conference recruiting.

Your wife had excellent taste...in colleges at least.   ;D

Sounds like a nice catch for the Cardinals.  I have high hopes for next season.



Are you starting the "Koenig for ROY" campaign yet?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 03, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Is it true Catholic is jumping from the D3 ranks to Division 1? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 03, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: susiddad on April 03, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Is it true Catholic is jumping from the D3 ranks to Division 1? 



Coach Bessior makes the case for Scranton to move to Division 1, or 2 about a minute into this segement. Coach looks good, maybe we should get him back in the Long Center?


http://pahomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=73772
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 03, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
Thanks NEPA...seeing the Coach on the bench would make many happy...reality is that will never happen at this point.
  There is zero chance that Scranton or any other respectable D3 school leaves for D2. That level is generally considered an academic wasteland & is only used as a holding point for schools passing through on their way to D1. NCAA rules make a stop at D2 mandatory however, I can not think of any schools that stay at that level by choice if D1 is the goal.
  I think there are always going to be some alumni pushing for the move up but, before that happens, I think a bit more of winning on the D3 National level would be in order. I mean 18 point wins vs. Penn St. Hazleton will only take you so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 03, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: susiddad on April 03, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Is it true Catholic is jumping from the D3 ranks to Division 1? 



Coach Bessior makes the case for Scranton to move to Division 1, or 2 about a minute into this segement. Coach looks good, maybe we should get him back in the Long Center?


http://pahomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=73772

Here is the NCAA Series on D-II FYI running this week.

Post # 1541 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3880.1541)

Who are Scranton's peer institutions in eastern PA in D-II?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 03, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 03, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: susiddad on April 03, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Is it true Catholic is jumping from the D3 ranks to Division 1? 



Coach Bessior makes the case for Scranton to move to Division 1, or 2 about a minute into this segement. Coach looks good, maybe we should get him back in the Long Center?


http://pahomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=73772

Here is the NCAA Series on D-II FYI running this week.

Post # 1541 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3880.1541)

Who are Scranton's peer institutions in eastern PA in D-II?


Peer institutions? Chestnut Hill a private Catholic college outside of Philly moved from DIII to DII. Comes to mind, I don't know if they plan on going Division 1.


@ Saratoga ....I don't know that as Bessior said the Physical Plant (facilities) isn't more important than winning on the national stage at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 03, 2009, 04:56:34 PM
Ralph...Scranton has no peer D2 schools in the area. Virtually all of the D2's are in the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (Bloomsburg, East Stroudsburg, Kutztown etc.). There is not a snowballs chance in hell Scranton is interested in joining a state school conference. They are quite happy right where they are from all accounts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2009, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: susiddad on April 03, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Is it true Catholic is jumping from the D3 ranks to Division 1? 


Hi -- you can stop posting your rumors here. Check the Terms of Service if you're confused about this site. This isn't one of those newspaper message boards or some high school board where anything goes.

Guess you didn't get the hint with your deleted post last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 03, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
   Just back from the National High School Invitational Championship @ Georgetown Prep - plenty of D1 prospects(Texas, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova, UNLV, West Virginia); unfortunately, because it's an NCAA "dead" recruiting period, I wasn't able to convince them to go D3(Scranton), instead.
   Semis on ESPN2 tomorrow(11/1); final Sun(ESPN @ 3)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 04, 2009, 08:48:08 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 03, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
   Just back from the National High School Invitational Championship @ Georgetown Prep - plenty of D1 prospects(Texas, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova, UNLV, West Virginia); unfortunately, because it's an NCAA "dead" recruiting period, I wasn't able to convince them to go D3(Scranton), instead.
   Semis on ESPN2 tomorrow(11/1); final Sun(ESPN @ 3)


You mean you didn't see Carl Danzig down there?  All in all , I have heard that is a pretty controversial tourny isn't it? More explotation of the high school athlete?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 04, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
  Yes, the coaches of the local Catholic league(Dematha, Gonzaga) wanted to play but were overruled by the principals who didn't want to encourage a move to a national championship away from a pure amateur sport level(principles). This is probably going to succeed without them, though, since there are enough independent "schools" evolving to be considered a national championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 04, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on April 03, 2009, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 03, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2009, 01:29:06 AM
Well, I could say I know Coach Howes or my wife is a CU grad(both true), but the main reason is I saw it in the paper and our chat group has said they're interested in conference recruiting.

Your wife had excellent taste...in colleges at least.   ;D

Sounds like a nice catch for the Cardinals.  I have high hopes for next season.



Are you starting the "Koenig for ROY" campaign yet?  ;)

Ha...no, you have to earn if you want me to go to bat for you on here!  Banzhaf came into Catholic as a 3, and I really had no idea he was going to be so good.  Kid just worked really hard, saw they needed a bruiser inside and went for it. 

I would imagine that right now is not a good time for any school to consider changing divisions--that would require an initial investment that not too many places have.  I think that the teams in Landmark are in it for the long haul and thus far we've seen some very competitive competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 03, 2009, 04:56:34 PM
Ralph...Scranton has no peer D2 schools in the area. Virtually all of the D2's are in the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (Bloomsburg, East Stroudsburg, Kutztown etc.). There is not a snowballs chance in hell Scranton is interested in joining a state school conference. They are quite happy right where they are from all accounts.
Thanks.  That is what I thought.

With the effort that went into forming the Landmark Conference, I would think that Scranton should be very happy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 04, 2009, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 04, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on April 03, 2009, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 03, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2009, 01:29:06 AM
Well, I could say I know Coach Howes or my wife is a CU grad(both true), but the main reason is I saw it in the paper and our chat group has said they're interested in conference recruiting.

Your wife had excellent taste...in colleges at least.   ;D

Sounds like a nice catch for the Cardinals.  I have high hopes for next season.



Are you starting the "Koenig for ROY" campaign yet?  ;)

Ha...no, you have to earn if you want me to go to bat for you on here!  Banzhaf came into Catholic as a 3, and I really had no idea he was going to be so good.  Kid just worked really hard, saw they needed a bruiser inside and went for it. 

I would imagine that right now is not a good time for any school to consider changing divisions--that would require an initial investment that not too many places have.  I think that the teams in Landmark are in it for the long haul and thus far we've seen some very competitive competition.

As opposed to not competitive competition?


I agree that if anyone were to move divisions I don't think it for be for some time...but I do agree with Coach Bess on Scranton moving up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 05, 2009, 12:12:43 AM
My apologies.  I did not know about the terms of service or notice I posted a violation.  Regardless, I wouldn't be suprised if they went D-1.  With the history, d-1 coaches leaving, continued success, campus, and resources, it seems like a D-1 school on  a few levels. Just one guys opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CUA_FAN on April 07, 2009, 01:17:44 PM
Any other info on CUA recruits for next season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 07, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
Since its the end of tournament season, I thought a few folks might enjoy the Catholic University 2001 "One Shining Moment" video, put together by my friend and CUA Alum Bryan Mullican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLMHqgNFm8

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 08, 2009, 08:55:41 AM
That is amazing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 08, 2009, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 07, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
Since its the end of tournament season, I thought a few folks might enjoy the Catholic University 2001 "One Shining Moment" video, put together by my friend and CUA Alum Bryan Mullican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLMHqgNFm8



Damn dude... that is outstanding - just as good as any of CBS's versions! "One Shining Moment" always gives me chills.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 09, 2009, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on April 08, 2009, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 07, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
Since its the end of tournament season, I thought a few folks might enjoy the Catholic University 2001 "One Shining Moment" video, put together by my friend and CUA Alum Bryan Mullican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLMHqgNFm8




Damn dude... that is outstanding - just as good as any of CBS's versions! "One Shining Moment" always gives me chills.


Gimme a break!  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 09, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 09, 2009, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on April 08, 2009, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on April 07, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
Since its the end of tournament season, I thought a few folks might enjoy the Catholic University 2001 "One Shining Moment" video, put together by my friend and CUA Alum Bryan Mullican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLMHqgNFm8




Damn dude... that is outstanding - just as good as any of CBS's versions! "One Shining Moment" always gives me chills.


Gimme a break!  ::)


I'm a sap, I admit it...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 20, 2009, 09:30:35 PM
   CBS news reported last nite on new defenses being tested by the Merchant Marine Academy. No, they aren't being used to defend against the 3-pt bombs of the Royals; they were practicing against a much more serious enemy, the pirates of the open seas. Looks like an increasingly higher profile for the institution.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 21, 2009, 08:17:47 AM
Any chance this starts to happen in the Landmark ? How are the Landmark teams doing in terms of economic stability?




Lock Haven to drop its baseball program


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BY SCOTT WALSH
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Published: Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Updated: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:15 AM EDT
Members of the Lock Haven University baseball team were getting ready to embark on a four-hour bus ride early Friday to California, Pa.

Before leaving, however, 17-year head coach Paul "Smokey" Stover had something he needed to tell the team.

While the Bald Eagles would be playing their doubleheader against the nationally ranked Vulcans that afternoon, the school would announce that it will drop the baseball program at the end of the season.

Lock Haven president Keith T. Miller said in a press release that the decision was financial. Dropping the program will save the school approximately $110,000 per year in the long run.

"We were scheduled to leave at 7:30 in the morning. We were all on the bus when coach asked us to come inside the field house," Lakeland graduate and Lock Haven sophomore pitcher Drew Simonik said in a telephone interview. "He (Stover) wanted to be the one to tell us. He didn't want us getting text messages from our friends, asking us about what happened."

Simonik is one of three local players at Lock Haven affected by the decision. Redshirt junior outfielder Mark Strouse and junior pitcher Erik Christensen, both Delaware Valley graduates, are also on the team.

"We're all shocked. We can't believe what's going on," Christensen said in a telephone interview. "There were rumors on campus that they might drop a male sport. We never expected it to be us. In my opinion, we hardly cost the university anything to run. And of all the male sports at Lock Haven, we have the best record."

With three doubleheaders left in the regular season, the Bald Eagles are 16-30 overall. By comparison, the men's basketball team was 5-22 this season, while the football team is a combined 1-21 the past two seasons.

Other men's sports at Lock Haven include wrestling, which was 7-9-1 this season; soccer, which was 11-6-3; cross country, which was nationally ranked, won the NCAA East Regional title and placed 19th at the NCAA Division II Championships; and track and field.

What makes the school's decision worse is the timing. The Bald Eagles are 9-11 in the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference West Division. If they win two of the four scheduled games against Gannon University on Friday and Saturday, they're in the postseason.

"We're trying to make a playoff run and they decide out of nowhere to cut our program," Strouse said. "It's just wrong. We have a lot of young, talented guys on the team who have two or three more years left. Now, they're stuck in a situation where they'll have to transfer to another school to play ball."

Since the program is being dropped, players can transfer to another school and be immediately eligible for next season. Lock Haven will honor a player's scholarship if the player decides to stay at the school.

Strouse is a senior academically, but has junior eligibility athletically. He said he plans to stay at Lock Haven and is resigning himself to the fact that his baseball career is coming to an end.

Both Simonik and Christensen said they are not sure what they plan to do. They would like to stay, but they also want to play baseball.

"If I wanted to change after two years, I would have gone to a junior college," Simonik said. "The reason I came here was to be here for four years.

"I'm settled here, I have so many friends here. Everyone's torn. No one knows what to do."

At the final home game Friday, a large crowd is expected to attend to show support for the team. The players are hoping that the rally could perhaps change the administration's mind about the decision.

"We're not going down without a fight," Simonik said. "We're pushing to make the playoffs. It's like that scene in 'Major League' when the mean owner is trying to cut them. (The team) got together and said the only thing left to do is win the whole thing. That's what we're going to try to do. The more we win, the longer we stay together."

Contact the writer: swalsh@timesshamrock.com



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 21, 2009, 11:16:25 AM
Just another of the many reasons why schools in great financial shape avoid DII like the plague.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 22, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
I find it odd that Catholic University Basketball doesn't go to church on Sundays and plays basketball games. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 22, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: susiddad on April 22, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
I find it odd that Catholic University Basketball doesn't go to church on Sundays and plays basketball games. 



Is there any way to ignore someone on this forum?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 22, 2009, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 22, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: susiddad on April 22, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
I find it odd that Catholic University Basketball doesn't go to church on Sundays and plays basketball games. 



Is there any way to ignore someone on this forum?

Seriously.

susiddad, if you're "representing" for Susquehanna, I wish you wouldn't. It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 22, 2009, 03:56:33 PM
Some of my best prayers emanate from a gym.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 22, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
your embaressing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 22, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
So sorry, but OUCH!  Until the season starts, i'm back to the MAC!  Still miss ya all, Scranton posters!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 22, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
Quote from: kate on April 22, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
So sorry, but OUCH!  Until the season starts, i'm back to the MAC!  Still miss ya all, Scranton posters!

Only Scranton? I'm hurt.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 22, 2009, 09:01:11 PM
We had such a great lively group a few years ago that i seldom ventured into the MAC Commonwealth room, Grove.  Certainly nothing against Susquehanna or your former MAC teams.  i used to get on everyones nerves back then   :); they were the good old days, that's for sure.  It's still fun to check in on you guys occasionally, though. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 22, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Kate,


I believe susiddad was attempting to  insult TheGrove, not you.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 23, 2009, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 22, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Kate,


I believe susiddad was attempting to  insult TheGrove, not you.



Yeah, no worries kate, I'm pretty sure susiddad is "embaressed" by me, not you.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 23, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
We love Kate!!!  ;)  It was aimed at the grove who threw the first grenade that landed in my backyard and is banned from my old side of campus.  Enough tit for tat though.  Who is coming next year into the Landmark recruit wise?  I would think Drew should have a fresh new cast of characters with a first yr. coach coming back.  I wouldn't be surprised if Danzig has a nice class as well with all of the talent gone in the past two years.

I think SU only needs to grab a big or two with all of the guards and forwards returning.  We are like a machine these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2009, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: susiddad on April 22, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
I find it odd that Catholic University Basketball doesn't go to church on Sundays and plays basketball games. 

I only know of three schools that refuse to play sporting events on Sundays: Calvin, Messiah and Wheaton (Ill.).

I think there's plenty of time to go to Mass in the morning or on Saturday night.

And I agree -- there's a good candidate for an Ignore button on this forum.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on April 24, 2009, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 21, 2009, 08:17:47 AM
Any chance this starts to happen in the Landmark ? How are the Landmark teams doing in terms of economic stability?


Lock Haven to drop its baseball program


Lock Haven University just announced that their baseball program will survive at least through the 2010 season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 26, 2009, 02:26:40 PM
Some time ago, there was a derogatory comment made my a certain poster (guess who) about Jason Banzhaf's academic prowess.  I believe I took vocal exception to it at the time.  This is old news, announced over a month ago, but just in case there was any doubt that the poster in question doesn't know what he's talking about...

WASHINGTON- The Landmark Conference has announced that four CUA student-athletes have been named to the Winter All-Academic Team for their successes both in the athletic arena and the classroom.

Jason Banzhaf (Livingston, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) had another fantastic year for the CUA men's basketball team. The sophomore was a first-team All-Conference and first-team All-Region honoree. He also the Landmark in scoring this year (20.3 points per game) and was second in the in rebounding (7.8 per game). The exploratory major has earned Landmark Academic Honor Roll and Dean's List distinction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on April 28, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
I don't know if I ever saw that, but wow. That is great to have a player of such talent perform well in the classroom.  I am sure it trickles down to the other players as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 28, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
At CUA, I am sure it does!

FYI - the Landmark conference schedule in the future will be a bit more "regular." No more switching from Friday/Saturday to Saturday/Sunday all season long. The schedule will stick to Friday/Saturday, evening/afternoon (for the most part) all season EXCEPT for one weekend of games involving Drew and Merchant Marine when they are on the road. One weekend of each season when they travel, their games will be on Saturday/Sunday (to avoid class time problems on Fridays). This will be on a rotational basis, so each school will have the Saturday/Sunday home games once every three seasons.

From what I heard, most of the coaches wanted to go to the Friday/Saturday to get more consistency and I believe Merchant Marine had the one issue due to the time they usually have classes on Fridays. This was a way of finding a common-ground resolution.

I am personally in favor of the Friday/Saturday schedule... Sunday interfered with Hoopsville! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 28, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
I like that sched a lot better myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
Interesting, at least they won't have to compete with the NFL Playoffs through January and now into Feb.


I have heard nothing as far as recruiting on the Scranton side of the league...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on May 04, 2009, 01:45:40 AM
As far as recruits go JC should have a good class coming in..i'll provide more details when things get finalized...the needs were pg and some more size on the front line and i think those have both been addressed...had an opportunity to play pickup with the returners they have and they seem to be having a pretty good spring from what I can tell...Berkey should have a very good senior season

in other news...(Grove don't know how this went unreported by you) Brent Ferko continued his dominance of Crusader Basketball in postseason play leading his team to the IM league championship...think this playoff run ranks up there with the '85 Villanova squad...Ferko led his rag tag group over the likes of Mcdevitt, Patch, and Josh Robinson among other SU Bball alum...i received no word on whether or not Robinson sustained another knee injury or had to leave to go under the bleachers due to illness perhaps susiddad can confirm the validty of these reports?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 04, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: BCannon on May 04, 2009, 01:45:40 AM

in other news...(Grove don't know how this went unreported by you) Brent Ferko continued his dominance of Crusader Basketball in postseason play leading his team to the IM league championship...

I left that for you, Cannon, you're Ferk's biggest cheerleader.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on May 04, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 04, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
I left that for you, Cannon, you're Ferk's biggest cheerleader.  :)

Now that you mention that, why isn't there a d3cheer.com?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 06, 2009, 10:23:46 AM
Joel Patch wins a NCAA postgraduate scholarship: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Spring09/patch_postgrad-scholarship.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 06, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 06, 2009, 10:23:46 AM
Joel Patch wins a NCAA postgraduate scholarship: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Spring09/patch_postgrad-scholarship.html


Congrats to Patch!

I remember hearing somewhere he was looking at Scranton for soccer out of high school...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on May 11, 2009, 01:11:10 PM
Funny Fact that I found out about the Goucher College Men's Basketball Team, they will be conducting Mandatory Drug Testing on all of the Men's Basketball Players prior to the start of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on May 15, 2009, 08:20:01 PM
i dont think its that funny. probably just telling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Congrats, Matt -- still playing man-to-man. :)

Not funny or telling on the drug testing but a sign of the direction in which Division III is going. There's a pilot program out there for regular-season drug testing and I'm sure that within a few years it will be the norm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
Yeah, still playing man defense--which is hard enough.  Plenty of holes to exploit.  Can't even imagine switching to a 2-3 zone...but maybe someday!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 18, 2009, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.

Congrats!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.
The real question is...

will her daddy ever let her date Goucher men?   :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 18, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.
The real question is...

will her daddy ever let her date Goucher men?   :D

She's already betrothed to Banzhaf.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 18, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
Congrats as well. Enjoy the moments...they tend to turn into years very quickly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 18, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.
The real question is...

will her daddy ever let her date Goucher men?   :D

She's already betrothed to Banzhaf.  ;)


Greatest. Post. Ever.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 18, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 18, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 16, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
The ranks of CUA Cardinal fans has grown by one...little Emily Anne Letourneau was born Tuesday night at Inova Fairfax Hospital.  She was 6 pounds, 1 ounce, 19 inches.  Mom and baby are doing well--and looking forward to some family outings to DuFour.
The real question is...

will her daddy ever let her date Goucher men?   :D

She's already betrothed to Banzhaf.  ;)


Greatest. Post. Ever.

Thank you, thank you... I'll be here all week. Try the veal, it's great. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on May 18, 2009, 07:06:28 PM
She's not dating until she's at least 21...so we've got plenty of time to decide who will make the cut.  I think Jason's going to need to AT LEAST get to the Sweet 16 to even be considered...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 19, 2009, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on May 18, 2009, 07:06:28 PM
She's not dating until she's at least 21...so we've got plenty of time to decide who will make the cut.  I think Jason's going to need to AT LEAST get to the Sweet 16 to even be considered...

Since Patch was Landmark Player of the Year and a Josten's nominee, does he have a shot?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 03, 2009, 04:00:42 PM
Moravian Repeats As Landmark President's All Sports Cup Winner

**Yet they don't have 1 poster on D3hoops.com*********** ;D

MADISON, N.J. - Just as it did when it claimed the inaugural Landmark President's All Sports Cup last season Moravian College rode a dominating performance in the spring sports season to the top of the standings to win the 2008-09 Landmark Conference President's All Sports Cup. The Greyhounds finished with a score of 7.222, well ahead of the score of 6.719 held by The University of Scranton which placed second. Susquehanna University finished in third place in the standings with a total of 6.538 while Juniata College finished fourth with a mark of 5.985.

The Landmark President's All Sports Cup is awarded based on a formula that rewards institutions for their finishes in the regular season conference standings as well as results in Landmark postseason competition. The formula also takes into account the number of sports a school sponsors.

Moravian sat in third position through the winter sports season, but raced up the standings on the strength of four team championships in the spring. The Greyhounds defended their Landmark Championships in men's and women's outdoor track & field, softball and women's tennis. The team also added second-place finishes in the regular season in both baseball and men's tennis. Moravian claimed six Landmark team championships for the year, the most of any team.

Scranton, which held the lead in the standings through the winter season, finishes as the runner-up in the standings for the second-consecutive season. The Royals finished in the top four in the standings in three sports in the spring, with the men's lacrosse team earning a berth in the Landmark Championship. For the year Scranton won three team championships and qualified for the Landmark postseason in 10 of the 12 sports in which it was eligible.

Susquehanna improved on its fifth-place finish in the standings from a year ago with the help of strong showings from its baseball and softball teams in the spring. The Crusaders finished atop the regular-season standings in baseball, and finished as the regular season and postseason runners-up in softball. For the year Susquehanna won four team championships, doubling its total from the first year of Landmark play.

Juniata's fourth-place finish was aided by strong spring in which the team claimed postseason berths in three sports. The women's tennis and women's outdoor track teams collected second-place finishes on the year, while its softball and men's tennis teams also captured postseason berths. The Eagles earned a pair of team championships overall during the year, both of which came in the fall season.

The Landmark Conference concluded its second year of competition with six student-athletes earning All-America status at the NCAA Division III Track & Field Championships. The Landmark sent 11 teams to NCAA Tournament play in the 2008-09 academic year, and also qualified individual competitors for the NCAA Championships in men's and women's cross country, men's and women's swimming & diving and men's and women's indoor and outdoor track & field
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
 Next year's schedule up on team web site; possible tournament foes Rochester Tech and John Carroll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2009, 12:56:24 AM
Likely tournament foes, Bard and Penn Tech. First round, anyway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on June 04, 2009, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2009, 12:56:24 AM
Likely tournament foes, Bard and Penn Tech. First round, anyway.

Well, Catholic wasn't available.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2009, 10:04:37 AM
Not cupcakey enough for a first-round game anyway, smartass.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 04, 2009, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 03, 2009, 04:00:42 PM
Moravian Repeats As Landmark President's All Sports Cup Winner

**Yet they don't have 1 poster on D3hoops.com*********** ;D

Too bad that's not part of the equation. It probably would have gone Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata then. No, Cannon, you aren't enough to leapfrog *both* me and susiddad.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2009, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2009, 10:04:37 AM
Not cupcakey enough for a first-round game anyway, smartass.

Come on , the two time Landmark Champs needed a few cupcakes for their tourneys this year. Every team does it.. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 04, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
I guess when you don't recruit post players that can score & rebound, go without a true point & basically have little to replace 70% of your scoring & rebounding from a team that did well in league but, as usual fell flat in the NCAA's...you go out & schedule the Penn Tech's & Bard's of the world.
  Can't wait for the advance ticket sales to open on the PSU Hazleton, Bard & Penn Tech games. i bet the Long Center will rock like old times during those games. Augustana goes out & schedules Wash U. & Gonzaga...the Royals get home dates with Bard & Joe's Auto Repair College!
  Great job by Scranton's SID getting the schedule up this early...an all-time record. Horrible job by the Royal schedule maker. Make that @#$%$#***#@% horrible.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on June 10, 2009, 09:54:58 PM
Scranton has advanced ticket sales?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 11, 2009, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on June 10, 2009, 09:54:58 PM
Scranton has advanced ticket sales?



Yes, I believe they do.


Check out Ursinus' recruits...impressive...these kids are going to Usrinus over D1 schools?

Bears announce Class of 2013 commitments
COLLEGEVILLE, Pa. – Ursinus College head mens basketball coach Kevin Small has announced three commitments for the Class of 2013 on Monday.

Point guard Matt Donahue (Camp Hill, PA/Trinity) and forwards Kevin Janowski (New Egypt, NJ/New Egypt) and Jon Ward (Allentown, PA/Parkland) join a team who advanced to the NCAA Division III Final Four two seasons ago.

Donahue led the Shamrocks to a 24-8 record last season, en route to a PIAA District III AA Championship. Trinity advanced to the PIAA Quarterfinals this past season, the third time Donahue has made an appearance in that round.

A 2009 All-State honorable mention selection, he was first-team All Mid-Penn selection. He was also a two-time honorable mention Harrisburg Big 15 and District III All-Tournament team selection.

A three-time letterwinner, the 5-10 point guard averaged 17 points per game, three assists per game and 4.3 rebounds a contest. He also sank 87 three-pointers this season, finishing with a lifetime three-point percentage of 44 percent.

He chose Ursinus over Catholic, Millersville, East Stroudsburg and the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

Janowski led his team to a 23-6 record in advancing to the Central Jersey Group 1 final, while winning the Freedom Division championship. The team finished sixth in the final New Jersey Group 1 ranking, and was named as the Ocean County Team of the Year by the Star Ledger. Janowski was named first-team Star Ledger all-state Group 1, All-Ocean County, first-team Freedom Division, first-team All-Area by the Trenton Times and first-team All-Area by the Burlington County Times.

The first 1,000 point scorer in school history (1,238 total points), he is also the total rebounds leader in school history (773). The 6-8 forward averaged 16.3 points per game and 8.9 rebounds a contest.

He chose Ursinus over Holy Cross, New Hampshire, Binghamton, Monmouth, Rider and USP.

Ward led his team to a 26-4 record, while advancing to the PIAA AAAA Quarterfinals. Along the way, the team advanced to the Lehigh Valley Conference Finals, while winning the District XI championship. Parkland was named as Team of the Year by the Allentown Morning Call and won the Wildwood Boardwalk Classic.

A McDonalds All-American nominee, the 6-10 Ward was second-team All-Area and won the Lehigh Valley and Parkland High School basketball Scholar-Athlete Award.


Ward chose Ursinus over Wofford, The Citadel and the Centenary College of Louisiana.

All three student-athletes were named to their respective school's honor rolls.

The three join two-time all-league point guard Remy Cousart (Yardley, PA/Holy Ghost Prep) for Ursinus, who will open up play on Friday, November 20, 2009 against Keystone at the Hamilton College Tip-Off Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 11, 2009, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 11, 2009, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on June 10, 2009, 09:54:58 PM
Scranton has advanced ticket sales?



Check out Ursinus' recruits...impressive...these kids are going to Usrinus over D1 schools?

He chose Ursinus over Catholic, Millersville, East Stroudsburg and the United States Merchant Marine Academy.


He chose Ursinus over Holy Cross, New Hampshire, Binghamton, Monmouth, Rider and USP.


Ward chose Ursinus over Wofford, The Citadel and the Centenary College of Louisiana.


It seems that they chose Ursinus over ALL other schools, but it would be impossible to list all of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on June 11, 2009, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 11, 2009, 09:00:22 AM
It seems that they chose Ursinus over ALL other schools, but it would be impossible to list all of them.

Now that's sophisticated humor. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 11, 2009, 07:06:58 PM
CC,

Glad to see you're still in the neighborhood.

How did your karma get so high?

Lefty
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CUA_FAN on June 23, 2009, 04:44:37 PM
Any word on new Catholic recruits for upcoming season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 24, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
   Scranton incoming players announced today on team web site(including NEPA's newspaper catch from New Jersey).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 24, 2009, 12:36:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 24, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
   Scranton incoming players announced today on team web site(including NEPA's newspaper catch from New Jersey).


Okay, that seems to take care of the guards and make up for the loss of Fitzpatrick, but what about the forwards?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 26, 2009, 08:33:33 AM
So what round of the draft did Banzhaf go in?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 26, 2009, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 26, 2009, 08:33:33 AM
So what round of the draft did Banzhaf go in?

ROTFL! I'd +k you if I could.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
NEPA: Classic! Plus karma! I guess many of us expect recruiting classes to have the occasional player that can step in & play a little & make some serious contributions as freshmen & sophmores (please refer to F&M).Some very serious questions regarding Royal recruiting in recent years.
   Last seasons freshman class between them averaged less than 3 minutes per game...virtually zero points, rebounds or assists & after the first 8 players most often used, the playing time for the remaining 7 players was pretty non-existant. It should prove interesting not only to see where Scranton's points in the paint come from...but, perhaps of a greater concern...where does Scranton's interior defense come from? This is not to infer that some of these kids can't play...just that the opportunity to play was not offered very much.
  On another recruiting note...my brother who resides in the Boston area told me recently that there was an article in one of the smaller newspapers up there of various players from some of the better prep schools & what they've done & where they are heading to college & one post player (around 6'7") with really good prep numbers is going to Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 27, 2009, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 26, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
NEPA: Classic! Plus karma! I guess many of us expect recruiting classes to have the occasional player that can step in & play a little & make some serious contributions as freshmen & sophmores (please refer to F&M).Some very serious questions regarding Royal recruiting in recent years.
   Last seasons freshman class between them averaged less than 3 minutes per game...virtually zero points, rebounds or assists & after the first 8 players most often used, the playing time for the remaining 7 players was pretty non-existant. It should prove interesting not only to see where Scranton's points in the paint come from...but, perhaps of a greater concern...where does Scranton's interior defense come from? This is not to infer that some of these kids can't play...just that the opportunity to play was not offered very much.
  On another recruiting note...my brother who resides in the Boston area told me recently that there was an article in one of the smaller newspapers up there of various players from some of the better prep schools & what they've done & where they are heading to college & one post player (around 6'7") with really good prep numbers is going to Catholic.

With regards to your freshman in recent years past not contributing Ashworth was huge for the Royals as a Freshman earning 2nd team and leading the team in scoring in the playoffs I believe, while taking(and making) some huge shots along the way...also it was Luke Hawks freshman year of eligiblity this year I believe (but not totally sure) & I think he had a pretty good 1st yr as well if I'm not mistaken...I know you have a high standard up in Scranton and rightfully so, but even in recent years you have gotten some nice production out of a player or two from the freshman class I would say.

If Catholic can get a legit 6'7 6'8 kid who rebounds hard and blocks shots to put along side JB that would be huge for them
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 27, 2009, 11:47:03 PM
I would guess that Coach Danzig's best recruiting year was 4 years ago when he brought in FitzPatrick, Biagioli, Paul Hawk, Fuller & Londo. Fitz & Hawk started almost immediately, Biagioli was there by his sophmore season & Brendan & Eli chipped in big time whenever they were presented the opportunity.
  However, the following season 3 kids made the team but only Dan O'Connell has logged any playing time. The other two juniors from last season have yet to log the minutes of one game in 3 years.
  Two years ago Ashworth & Luke Hawk came in...and obviously Ashworth has done a great job. Luke was injured that entire season & did not play until this past season.
  This years freshman class saw another 3 kids make the team although none saw any appreciable quality minutes. So far this year it looks like Danzig was given the recruiting budget of 10.00 as two kids are coming in from Scranton Prep & the other one from Christian Brothers Academy didn't even start. 
  Based on last years talent & their inability to yet again win even 1 NCAA game...I find it hard to believe that recent recruiting has positioned Scranton for a deep run in the tournement any time soon. It appears to me that recruiting may be getting done with the best in the contact stage...the problem seems to lie in being able to seal the deal. Accordingly, one very good recruiting year followed by 3 or 4 years of minimal  to average at best influx of talent simply will not get it done. Hence, the addition of Bard, Lancaster Bible & the Penn St. Hazleton's of the world on the schedule instead of Ursinus, Muhlenberg, Hamilton or Amherst.
  One simple fact remains...to this point in time,the best team Coach Danzig put on the floor was the last one assembled by Coach Bessoir. Until recruiting greatly improves on a consistant basis...that rather unfortunate fact will persist.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 28, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
Any idea what Bessoir's son does now? In reading the media guide a few years back it was easy to see  he was an extremely talented basketball player. He play overseas at all and is he in coaching now?

Anyone ever read the book "The Last Amateurs"? I think most on this board would enjoy and it actually mentions Danzig a few times briefly ( random thought, but for some reason this conversation about Danzig and recruiting reminded me of it ).

I'm actually surprised Scranton didn't re up the schedule this year with the Landmark not being a pool b league anymore (i think). Should be all about how the team does in conference and getting them prepared for the league schedule/tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 28, 2009, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: BCannon on June 28, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
Anyone ever read the book "The Last Amateurs"? I think most on this board would enjoy and it actually mentions Danzig a few times briefly ( random thought, but for some reason this conversation about Danzig and recruiting reminded me of it ).

I love anything by John Feinstein, but "The Last Amateurs" is one of his best. Even though it's about the Patriot League, which is D1, the experiences of the players and coaches does somewhat mirror what goes on in D3. I was geekily excited to meet Pat Flannery at a Susquehanna bball game a few years ago just because of that book.  ;D

It's pretty interesting to re-read that book now, because it talks a lot about how no PL team had ever won a NCAA tourney game, though some had come close. Clearly written pre-Bucknell-Kansas.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 28, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
Howdy Saratoga!  Just reading posts waiting for the Yankee-Met game, and reading yours' - you REALLY have to worry when the Bard, Lancaster Bible, & the Penn St. Hazelton squads  come in & BEAT ya! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 28, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
Brian: Billy Bessoir is now coaching in Germany. He played there for about 8 years & then moved into coaching at what is considered a fairly high level of ball. It was great to see he & all the others last year at the Royals 25th. reunion of their 1983 National Championship.
  Kate: I'm not worried about the Royal's losing to Bard or PSU Hazleton etc.( not quite there yet )...I am disappointed that schools like that are even on the schedule. As Brian mentioned, they no longer need to beat up on the bottom feeders to get that "Quality" In-Region record as the Landmark now has the AQ. The only other explanation is that they figure to more than likely not win it this year & are hoping this powerhouse schedule will be just enough to get an at-large invitation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 29, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
Agreed "The Last Amateurs" is a great read!

I believe the kid Scranton got from Jersey has some talent, just was on a very good team. I read he made some noise on his AAU team. I wonder if this is the entire class for the Royals?




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 29, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
  No, they also have a power forward coming, but she's playing for the ladies.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 30, 2009, 11:26:31 AM
Susquehanna's new athletic site has launched!

http://www.gosusqu.com/

Definitely a lot more school-spirited than the old one.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 06, 2009, 09:32:54 AM
Congrats to Scranton alum Sean Kearney, the new Head Coach at Holy Cross


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/basketball/view/20090703sean_kearney_named_new_head_coach_at_holy_cross/srvc=home&position=recent
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MOst7 on July 08, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Yes, congrats to Kearney...he surely paid his dues as an assistant/associate coach for 20+ years.

Bessoir´s son Billy is coaching in Germany...and played for 18 years according to a Times article last winter and mostly as a player/coach.  Now he is working for Disney in Germany, according to the paper. 
I saw him and the other `83 Royals at that reunion...and after talking to a few of them, they seemed to be a bit shocked that the gym was so empty during the Royals game.
No, it ain´t like the old times.
But sometime the old purple faithful have to realize that and get over it, or they´ll be moaning for a long time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 08, 2009, 08:56:31 PM
MOst7,

Do you need to rely on the newspaper to learn the whereabouts of Bill Bessoir?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MOst7 on July 09, 2009, 01:49:12 PM
lefty2,

was just commenting on what I read....I don´t search for former royal cagers on the net...
are you a wilkes fan ? Or just like guys who used to wear John Stockton shorts:::

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 09, 2009, 10:26:55 PM
MOst7,

Based on your e-mail address, I would've thought you'd have first-hand knowledge when it comes to people named Bessoir.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MOst7 on July 10, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
hey Lefty2,

clever you are.
lets just say I know the family well.
and it was in the newspaper :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 10, 2009, 10:42:10 PM
MOst7,

I don't know about being clever - but I do know how click a mouse and read.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 20, 2009, 07:13:10 AM
Quote from: MOst7 on July 08, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
I saw him and the other `83 Royals at that reunion...and after talking to a few of them, they seemed to be a bit shocked that the gym was so empty during the Royals game.
No, it ain´t like the old times.
But sometime the old purple faithful have to realize that and get over it...

Why?

Hey leftthander, I didn't know you attended the hallowed halls of Wilkes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 20, 2009, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: cold_case on July 20, 2009, 07:13:10 AM
Hey leftthander, I didn't know you attended the hallowed halls of Wilkes.

CC,

I have been to, but didn't attend.

Lefty
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 21, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: cold_case on July 20, 2009, 07:13:10 AM
Quote from: MOst7 on July 08, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
I saw him and the other `83 Royals at that reunion...and after talking to a few of them, they seemed to be a bit shocked that the gym was so empty during the Royals game.
No, it ain´t like the old times.
But sometime the old purple faithful have to realize that and get over it...

Why?


MoST is saying that we can look forward to Landmark Conference titles , but the Royals aren't going to be showing up on the National scene any time soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on July 21, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
NEPAFAN,

In my very casual browsing of this site in the off-season, I feel that in the best interest of historical records, I should point out you've made a slight error in your listing of championships won by the Royals. That last Freedom Conference title came in 2006, not 2007, as you have mentioned. The MAC-F Championship in 2007 was won by King's over DeSales, after the Bulldogs won the last MAC-F game played in the Long Center a few days earlier.....

How do I remember that, you may ask? I was the manager/video guy for that team the Royals beat for the 2006 title....still stings to remember, although the following football season made up for it a great deal.

So even with those SAT scores they always chant about during games, I suppose even the Royals are prone to an error in the stats  ;) Have a good one everyone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 21, 2009, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on July 21, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
NEPAFAN,

In my very casual browsing of this site in the off-season, I feel that in the best interest of historical records, I should point out you've made a slight error in your listing of championships won by the Royals. That last Freedom Conference title came in 2006, not 2007, as you have mentioned. The MAC-F Championship in 2007 was won by King's over DeSales, after the Bulldogs won the last MAC-F game played in the Long Center a few days earlier.....

How do I remember that, you may ask? I was the manager/video guy for that team the Royals beat for the 2006 title....still stings to remember, although the following football season made up for it a great deal.

So even with those SAT scores they always chant about during games, I suppose even the Royals are prone to an error in the stats  ;) Have a good one everyone!


Fixed. Good catch.

How many Championships does Wilkes have in those years?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on July 21, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
NEPAFAN,

Glad I could help  :) As much as it stung to be on the losing end, '06 was an instant classic and something great to be a part of. 

As for the championships, you know the answer to that, no need to rub it in  :-X Still, I was part of some very good teams that won a slew of good games, as were your boys in the purple, white and  that terribly ugly black that was added a few years back ;) And in my case, I was a part of some very good teams on the gridiron as well.

Again, cheers to the joys of D3 sports in Northeast PA  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 21, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
Scranton's schedule has been up for about a month now... however, I'm only counting 24 games listed. Since they can play 25, I'm wondering if they are still waiting on a contract from the Houdini School of Magic, Rosemont or FDU Stone Harbor to finalize one amazing & certainly one of the Top 500 schedules in DIII.
  Word has it that advance sales for the Penn Tech game are moving rather briskly & there are only approx. 2,750 left.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 22, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
  Please, not Rosemont- I haven't gotten over losing to Marywood and Miseri in the same season 5 years ago, let alone Chestnut Hill, more recently.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 07:43:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 21, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
MoST is saying that we can look forward to Landmark Conference titles , but the Royals aren't going to be showing up on the National scene any time soon.

WHY?????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 22, 2009, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 07:43:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 21, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
MoST is saying that we can look forward to Landmark Conference titles , but the Royals aren't going to be showing up on the National scene any time soon.

WHY?????


You know why!


Any chance that Wilkes is the 25th game on the schedule? As you can tell I miss the trash talk since the move to the Landmine, I mean Landmark!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on July 22, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: ronk on July 22, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
  Please, not Rosemont- I haven't gotten over losing to Marywood and Miseri in the same season 5 years ago, let alone Chestnut Hill, more recently.

Ronk.....didn't you lose to Miseri last year?  Also, if I remember correctly, since losing to Marywood the U has refused to play them again unless its at the Long Center.  Won't drive across town to play?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on July 22, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
Ronk.....didn't you lose to Miseri last year?  Also, if I remember correctly, since losing to Marywood the U has refused to play them again unless its at the Long Center.  Won't drive across town to play?

Across town? Last I checked, Marywood was in Dunmore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 22, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
Quote from: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on July 22, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
Ronk.....didn't you lose to Miseri last year?  Also, if I remember correctly, since losing to Marywood the U has refused to play them again unless its at the Long Center.  Won't drive across town to play?

Across town? Last I checked, Marywood was in Dunmore.


So Scranton schedules cupcakes, but is afraid of Marywood??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 22, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
  There have been far too many losses to teams in recent years that just shouldn't have happened. Two such games from the "New Era" in Royal's history that will go down as "did I just see that" are...
  Losing as Ronk stated to Chestnut Hill in their own Radisson Invitational. At the time, the Hill had a record of about 1-12 prior to the new & improved Royal's providing them win # 2 and the number 1 game as far as having lasting implications that are still felt to this day...losing at the Long Center to Marywood on a 40' bank shot at the buzzer.
  Not sure why Scranton hasn't played the Pacers since the "shot heard around the Electric City"...but, if I only had one guess...
  First fan to correctly identify Scranton's mystery "25th. opponent" wins 50 wings from Kelly's & all that's needed to wash em down. as well as 750 tickets to the Scranton/Penn. St. Hazleton game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 22, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
First fan to correctly identify Scranton's mystery "25th. opponent" wins 50 wings from Kelly's & all that's needed to wash em down. as well as 750 tickets to the Scranton/Penn. St. Hazleton game.

UCLA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on July 23, 2009, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: cold_case on July 22, 2009, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on July 22, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
Ronk.....didn't you lose to Miseri last year?  Also, if I remember correctly, since losing to Marywood the U has refused to play them again unless its at the Long Center.  Won't drive across town to play?

Across town? Last I checked, Marywood was in Dunmore.

Yes, across town to Dunmore.  You get the point.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on July 23, 2009, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 22, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
  There have been far too many losses to teams in recent years that just shouldn't have happened. Two such games from the "New Era" in Royal's history that will go down as "did I just see that" are...
  Losing as Ronk stated to Chestnut Hill in their own Radisson Invitational. At the time, the Hill had a record of about 1-12 prior to the new & improved Royal's providing them win # 2 and the number 1 game as far as having lasting implications that are still felt to this day...losing at the Long Center to Marywood on a 40' bank shot at the buzzer.
  Not sure why Scranton hasn't played the Pacers since the "shot heard around the Electric City"...but, if I only had one guess...
  First fan to correctly identify Scranton's mystery "25th. opponent" wins 50 wings from Kelly's & all that's needed to wash em down. as well as 750 tickets to the Scranton/Penn. St. Hazleton game.

What would your guess be if you had only one guess?

25th opponent.............Johnson College?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 23, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
CC: UCLA??? Remember, Bess has retired!
  Hoopzwiz: Now you may be on to something. As far as me only having one guess...I'll just say that I doubt the decision originated in Green Ridge.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 23, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
So when Scranton wins 20 games this year are we still going to be discussing their schedule?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 23, 2009, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on July 23, 2009, 09:44:20 AM
Yes, across town to Dunmore.  You get the point.

Across town meaning travelling from South SCRANTON to North SCRANTON.
Staying within city or town limits.
So no, I don't get your weak point.

'toga, rumor has it Kutztown, Mansfield and Bridgeport will be in Scranton's tourney next season. They plan to call it, the For-Old-Time-Sake Holiday Classic.
Yeah, ok, right. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 23, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
So when Scranton wins 20 games this year are we still going to be discussing their schedule?


Yes, because 20-5 with that schedule won't get them ranked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Scrantons schedule looks adequate.  I only question why scranton goes on the road to PSU Hazleton every other year.  They are not DIII
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 24, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 23, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
So when Scranton wins 20 games this year are we still going to be discussing their schedule?


Yes, because 20-5 with that schedule won't get them ranked.


And what does being ranked get them? 20 wins would probably mean a Landmark Championship game and a 1st round exit in the NCAAs...what we have deemed success for the Royals ....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 24, 2009, 12:20:34 PM
NEPAFAN: The two transfers I was talking to you about have just been confirmed on Scranton's b-ball page.
  Still not quite ready to book any rooms in southern Virginia just yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 24, 2009, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Scrantons schedule looks adequate.  I only question why scranton goes on the road to PSU Hazleton every other year.  They are not DIII

Penn State Hazleton is a member of NCAA D-III.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 24, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
I think Penn St.-Hazleton is part of the US Collegiate Athletic Association along with several over Penn State branch campuses that comprise the Pennsylvania State University Athletic Conference.

Penn State Harrisburg is in Division III, as is Penn St.-Berks, Penn St.-Behrend and Penn St.-Altoona.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:40:22 PM
Lefty2, you are incorrect. PSU Hazleton is not DIII. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 24, 2009, 11:52:08 PM
   It's ironic that the Scranton's men's schedule is gathering all this disrespect while, on the other side of the locker room, last year's women ranked #1 in strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 25, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 23, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
So when Scranton wins 20 games this year are we still going to be discussing their schedule?

Yes, because 20-5 with that schedule won't get them ranked.

Uh oh, I see your loophole come selection time. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 25, 2009, 11:10:14 AM
Ronk: you are 100% correct regarding the irony of the strength of schedules between the Royals & Lady Royals.
  There is absolutely no doubt that playing the schedule Mike plays out of conference gives the Lady Royals a huge advantage come tournament time. Last season he had the Lady Royals play in 3 straight tournaments (all on the road) & against QUALITY teams which was the perfect tuneup for his kids to prepair them for the upcoming conference games going on back to back evenings/days. Coach Strong's "let's play the best" philosophy has worked wonders for his kids throughout his tenure as Head Coach as evidenced by his place in the record books for wins, winning percentage, tournament appearances & once he get's there...winning. I'm fairly certain that anyone that saw the Lady Royals play during the first 3 weeks of the season last year & then didn't see them again until the last 3 weeks would have marveled at their growth & maturity.
  The saying, 'a win is a win is a win' no longer cuts it. To make it a successful season, schools can not live solely on the teams in a current down period  or perpetually bad. Selection criteria clearly mentions "opponents & opponents-opponents winning percentage" as a basis for selection & if you are the Royals...I'm sorry, this schedule is unacceptable.
  Perhaps it's time to stop worrying about whom you may be able to run with with the talent you have & try to improve that talent by having them play the best so their game can improve rather than this ongoing false sense of greatness by knocking off Bard or Penn Tech. Recruit, teach, play the best...it's been a recipe for success for the Lady Royals & former mens coach Bessoir...no reason to think it won't work for the men once again.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 26, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 25, 2009, 11:10:14 AM
Ronk: you are 100% correct regarding the irony of the strength of schedules between the Royals & Lady Royals.
  There is absolutely no doubt that playing the schedule Mike plays out of conference gives the Lady Royals a huge advantage come tournament time. Last season he had the Lady Royals play in 3 straight tournaments (all on the road) & against QUALITY teams which was the perfect tuneup for his kids to prepair them for the upcoming conference games going on back to back evenings/days. Coach Strong's "let's play the best" philosophy has worked wonders for his kids throughout his tenure as Head Coach as evidenced by his place in the record books for wins, winning percentage, tournament appearances & once he get's there...winning. I'm fairly certain that anyone that saw the Lady Royals play during the first 3 weeks of the season last year & then didn't see them again until the last 3 weeks would have marveled at their growth & maturity.
  The saying, 'a win is a win is a win' no longer cuts it. To make it a successful season, schools can not live solely on the teams in a current down period  or perpetually bad. Selection criteria clearly mentions "opponents & opponents-opponents winning percentage" as a basis for selection & if you are the Royals...I'm sorry, this schedule is unacceptable.
  Perhaps it's time to stop worrying about whom you may be able to run with with the talent you have & try to improve that talent by having them play the best so their game can improve rather than this ongoing false sense of greatness by knocking off Bard or Penn Tech. Recruit, teach, play the best...it's been a recipe for success for the Lady Royals & former mens coach Bessoir...no reason to think it won't work for the men once again.
 


Toga: I am glad that the recruiting class has grown from 3 to 5. I wonder if O'Connell's brother tried out for the team at Sacred Heart? Fitzpatrick appeared to be buried on the bench at Ithaca, but that was a talented and guard heavy team. Once again they seems to have a lot of kids who can score but who is going to rebound? Does someone like Wynne or Bogovich emerge this year?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 27, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:40:22 PM
Lefty2, you are incorrect. PSU Hazleton is not DIII. 

There's a first time for everything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 27, 2009, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on July 27, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:40:22 PM
Lefty2, you are incorrect. PSU Hazleton is not DIII. 
There's a first time for everything.

There's also a first time to be right. I'm waiting, lefthander. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 29, 2009, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 24, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Scrantons schedule looks adequate.  I only question why scranton goes on the road to PSU Hazleton every other year.  They are not DIII


So we still don't have an answer to this question?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 31, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
Noticed CUA and SusqU have twitter accounts....when do the rest of the teams and the conference get on the bandwagon?




http://twitter.com/cuacardinals


http://twitter.com/GOSusqU
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: RoyalGator on August 01, 2009, 12:36:43 PM
Its been a while since I visited this forum. 

As for the Royals schedule, its is terrible, playing PSU-Hazelton (2nd year in a row - unacceptable), Penn Tech, and this whole Landmine experiment still irks me.  Usually I am upbeat; however, as somebody said we could 20 - 5 and loose the Landmine Title game and not make the NCAAs.

At least I have something to look forward to with the Lady Royals - looks like it will be another great year.  Just wish they played their old rivals - especially Kings and Desales!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 03, 2009, 10:06:37 AM
Good morning, Royal Gator!  Del Val misses playing the Royals, too, ya know!  There was always an electric/somewhat hostile  ;) atmosphere surrounding our games.  Just have to question your problem with a few of the teams on your schedule.  In the spirit of D3, isn't that what it's all about?  Playing "lesser" teams & making them better?  i've mentioned before on here that Marywood used to be a sure win for the Aggie women, now each year they've gotten stronger & stronger.  Last year at Scranton they beat us badly.  Wasn't at that game so i really don't know exactly what happened.  i'm a tad proud of Marywood's accomplishment, though.  This year it's up to my Aggies to take the reins & show em who's boss  :D!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 04, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
Kate,

As a Marywood grad student who has grown up a few blocks from the campus, I can say it's quite good to see the Pacers become more competitive in a number of sports, including basketball. The school has developed a great deal, both in terms of buildings/facilities, as well as academic offerings and programs- that includes include the region's first architecture school this year.

As for playing the Pacers, as well as the various PSU campuses, there's more than a few factors that go into schedule-making. Obviously many of the posters on here want their team to line up a slate of the country's top D3 teams, but when it comes to factors such as distance from campus and class time missed, it's not always possible to jet-set around the northeast and elsewhere to line up against powerhouses for every non-conference game. With that in mind, it's no uncommon for all the area schools to have a few dates with penn Tech and PSU-Hazelton...I suppose the Landmine is just catching the trend ;)

And for those of you worrying about a weak non-conference slate keeping the team out of the NCAA tournament, it means you are either afraid the Royals won't win the league again, or are concerned about the rest of the league being too weak to provide quality competition. Since Scranton owns all of the Landmine Championships to date, my guess is on the latter....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 05, 2009, 10:24:07 AM
Hello G-manWU!  Your point about current economics directing some of the scheduling is a very valid one.  Since five of the eight Landmark members are former MAC, we gotta wish em luck.  Ages ago, a poster from Drew reminded me that it was NOT the student athletes who made the new league decision, so we should be supportive (i suppose  :-[) .  You had an excellent post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 05, 2009, 11:36:28 AM
Man, have I had it wrong all these years. I thought the reason you played cupcakes was to pick up easy wins & pad the "W" column. I never realized it was to make the other team a little bit better. All those years I thought Wilkes was looking for easy wins by playing every Bible school west of Istanbul & here they were just trying to make the less fortunate a little bit more competitive.
  I feel much better now about Scranton's schedule & the reasons for it. Hopefully, they can add Cal Tech as the 25th. game & truly reach out to the less fortunate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 05, 2009, 12:53:11 PM
Hey, Saratoga - a little cranky and sarcastic before lunch, are we?  Wow, first i can't believe i've never met you with all the Aggie/Lady Royals games we jointly attended, & second - ARE you REAL, or just a plant to hype D3 posting???  Sadly, for us (poor pathetic souls) we don't have a common game this season, or i would look for you!  Just to shake your hand, of course.  Hat's off to Division 3 colleges and universities everywhere - each & every one of em!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 05, 2009, 01:04:42 PM
Kate: 1.yes.  2. I know...some day hopefully.  3. Memorex.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 05, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
i'm sorry, "memorex"  :-[ - that's a bit too cerebral for me - don't get it
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 05, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
Saratoga,

Indeed the spirit of giving and helping those without the gift of tradition to build their own has arrived on Mulberry Street- we know that the Jesuits will be quite impressed that the spirit of service and sacrifice has been put into practice in the Long Center  ;) And since I haven't looked at the schedule, I do hope the games are here in the Electric City...I mean, what AD and coaching staff in the Landmark would want to tell the school prez that the basketball team is stuck in the snow coming back from.....Hazelton?

As for Wilkes, we indeed did play BBC all four seasons I was there, and the Defenders put up some good contests in those years. After having attended many football games at Michie Stadium over the years, I might say BBC reminded me of a service academy-style outfit......perhaps not the most talent, but plenty of heart and well-coached, and WITH a high degree of sportsmanship. It was a pleasure to have them on the schedule.

If you want to talk about bigger names than that, we had a home-and-away with Lincoln my freshman year, then my sophomore season we closed out the first semester with the Lions coming to the Martz Center nationally ranked and with a roster featuring Kyle Myrick, the eventual D3 player of the year who averaged over 35 PPG on the SEASON, if I remember correctly. In one of the best games in recent years on Franklin Street, we knocked off the men in orange in double-overitme, with Evan Walters registering a triple-double. It was, perhaps, the finest win of my four seasons.......Hell of a way to go home for Christmas  8)

And a few weeks later, we go on the road for the next and lose to....Marywood  :o Guess your guys weren't the only ones.........
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 05, 2009, 10:11:26 PM
Sorry, the words "with" and "season" should not be in all caps...my bad  :(

Kate, thanks for the comments. If you'll be around for the DVC homecoming this year let me know...I hope to come down to see the Colonels, and since Aggie fans are some of the best tailgaters in the MAC, my freind's families may be able to put together a real smorgasbord if they get a good parking spot.

On that note, aren't you glad that the Roylas don't sponsor football anymore? I mean, with the tremendously weak non-confernece slates played in recent years and for this season by the Colonels and Aggies, we'd never hear the end of it. Just look at the no-names......Wesley, Muhlenberg, Salisbury, Montclair State, Rowan. A cupcake bonanza if you ever saw one, right?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 06, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Scranton has updated its roster and it looks like Eli Londo is back for his last year of eligibility. I think this will be key since the Royals were not able to bring in any big men.

Thoughts from the anti-Danzig mob?


Oh and a little birdie told me that the U is developing some land up near Lake Scranton, no doubt to create a stadium and practice facility for their Football team which will dominate everyone from PSU-Hazleton to the mighty Wilkes Colonels.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 06, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
NEPAFAN: Even though I am not a card carrying member of the "anti-Danzig mob'(don't know anyone who is)...I do think Eli's return certainly will help. As you've stated, the Royals will  be tested with their inside game & especially defensivly in the post. His experience, wing span & rebounding ability will be welcome.
  Personally, I think Coach Danzig obviously knows the game and he seems like a real nice guy. I think the concerns you hear generally revolve around what appear to be fairly weak recruiting classes, the lack of progress once in the NCAA tournament & now a certainly less than challenging schedule. One finds that there is a general proportion of schedules getting watered down as the talent wanes...which brings us back to the first concern.
  I think many people were highly enthusiastic with his hire since he brought his recruiting background from Bucknell. Obviously, he's put together some good teams & has won the 1st. two Landmark Conference championships...not exactly chopped liver. On the other hand, none of his teams thus far have really excited or increased the fan base, or for that matter, even won over their fellow students for support. Many times in recent years the Lady Royals draw more than the men on the same night. In a way it's sad to see a few hundred people leave after a Lady Royal game when not that long ago the Long Center would be jammed on a Tuesday night. The play of the team is quite obviously dictated by the talent on the floor & there has been no seriously memorable year thus far & based on projections...none on the horizon.
  I'm sure Coach Danzig has made every effort to bring in great guards, super bigs & wings that can step back & nail the 3 all night. The problem is up to this point he really hasn't AND he is still very much in the shadow of one of the greatest coaches & showmen in DIII. Until he turns that corner, all things will naturally be compared to the Bess years...and until Coach Danzig can recruit his own Perfect Storm of players a bit more consistantly, those comparisons...right or wrong, will persist.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 07, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 06, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Oh and a little birdie told me that the U is developing some land up near Lake Scranton, no doubt to create a stadium and practice facility for their Football team which will dominate everyone from PSU-Hazleton to the mighty Wilkes Colonels.

I think this is the 10th consecutive year that land is being developed near Lake Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 11, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
I didn't mean to hint that anyone that posts on here is "anti-Danzig". Just wanted to point out  that he isn't all bad  ;D  and despite the rantings and ravings of the Loyal Royals the team should be very competitive this year and be there in the end.


CC, since you are in the know why the 10 year delay?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BornBalla on August 11, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
I'm not a huge Mid Atlantic D3 guy BUT I think people from Scranton should be grateful that their men's basketball program is relevant every year. There are only a few D3's who have consistently stayed relevant over the years. Obviously , a tourney run would be very welcomed there but it certainly could be worse. Going to NCAA tourney is special and Danzig must being doing something very right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 13, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 11, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
CC, since you are in the know why the 10 year delay?

Ten year delay for what???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 13, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: cold_case on August 07, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 06, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Oh and a little birdie told me that the U is developing some land up near Lake Scranton, no doubt to create a stadium and practice facility for their Football team which will dominate everyone from PSU-Hazleton to the mighty Wilkes Colonels.

I think this is the 10th consecutive year that land is being developed near Lake Scranton.

I am talking about this, CC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 13, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 13, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: cold_case on August 07, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 06, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Oh and a little birdie told me that the U is developing some land up near Lake Scranton, no doubt to create a stadium and practice facility for their Football team which will dominate everyone from PSU-Hazleton to the mighty Wilkes Colonels.

I think this is the 10th consecutive year that land is being developed near Lake Scranton.

I am talking about this, CC.


And in 10 years people will be saying they're developing land near Lake Scranton for a football stadium and practice facility.
Saratoga knows what I mean very well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 13, 2009, 10:42:08 AM
Nice non answer, you sound like a politician.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 19, 2009, 02:51:04 PM
http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+4004

Juniata is bringing in a 6 man class...on paper sounds like a good group...link above for whoever is interested in specifics
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 19, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: BCannon on August 19, 2009, 02:51:04 PM
http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+4004

Juniata is bringing in a 6 man class...on paper sounds like a good group...link above for whoever is interested in specifics

None of them sound as good as Ferko.  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 23, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
Absolutely not ... I need to start being more clear with my posts I apologize.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Scranton's roster is up.


How about the rest of the Landmark ? Any recruiting news?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 31, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
Susquehanna's schedule is up, but that's all the news I have...

http://www.gosusqu.com/sports/men/mbkb/2009-10/schedule
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 01, 2009, 11:33:13 AM
Based on the updated schedule on Scranton's website...the elusive 25th. game has been added.
  It appears the Royal's have added Kean to the schedule to open the season on Nov. 17th. However, it also appears they open with Kean a few weeks later in the U of Rochester tournament.
  There are only 3,000 D3 schools in the Mid-Atlantic region to choose from & we get Kean twice...perhaps they are now testing the waters of the NJAC. ;).
  Still waiting for the schedule to include the F&M's, Muhlenberg's, Ursinus' & Hamilton's of the world rather than Kean x2, Bard & Penn freakin Tech!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 01, 2009, 01:43:58 PM
I thought Montclair St. was a new addition as well, or have they always been on the schedule?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 01, 2009, 02:29:38 PM
NEPAFAN: Montclair St. has also been added this year to go along with 2 games vs. Kean... hence, my reference to the NJAC.
  Time for Scranton to spend more time playing the upper echelon of the Centennial in their non-conference games as opposed to this rambling schedule that has few, if any non-conference games of interest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 02, 2009, 11:35:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 01, 2009, 02:29:38 PM
NEPAFAN: Montclair St. has also been added this year to go along with 2 games vs. Kean... hence, my reference to the NJAC.
  Time for Scranton to spend more time playing the upper echelon of the Centennial in their non-conference games as opposed to this rambling schedule that has few, if any non-conference games of interest.

As always, just a little tip, but don't sleep on Kean with your non-conference schedule. We played them in 2006 and beat them up, but for 2007 we took the trip down to their brand-new gym and they put on a shooting clinic. The Kean teams I saw were typical NJAC clubs- speed and more speed, with some shooters and lots of slashing through the lane.

It's not going to be as easy as you think with those guys. And if the deal includes a road game next year- enjoy the facility. The gym was quite cold but a very impressive facility. Just a little bit bigger than, let's say....Baldwin Gymnasium;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 03, 2009, 08:33:52 AM
G-Man,


I think Saratoga is complaining just for the sake of complaining. The real issue for me is no Kings/Wilkes on the schedule. Is Scranton bolting for the Landmark still an issue? Those games would bring back some juice to the gym.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 03, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
NEPAFAN,

Indeed, it would not be the same board without Saratoga's delightful commentary. After all, it was he who pointed out my first-ever journalistic mistake- in a Jan. 2007 article for the Wilkes Beacon about the last conference game between Wilkes and Scranton, I wrote "Martz Center" instead of "Marts Center" :o

Indeed, hopefully we will see the days of Wilkes-Scranton and Wilkes-King's come again in the near-future. It's the case in nearly ever other sport that the schools both sponsor, so hopefully we'll see a return on the court soon.

My only request would be that the games are not scheduled during the winter break for any school- the games suffer greatly when school is out on any of the campuses involved. I've seen that not just with our Scranton games, but also our conference matchups with King's as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 04, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
G-manWU: I did not mean to imply that by putting Kean on their schedule it would equate to a cakewalk by the Royals. Trust me, any team scheduling Bard, PSU Hazleton & that machine that is Penn Tech isn't taking anyone for granted.
  My displeasure with Scranton's schedule is based on the non-conference schools they've scheduled & how little these schools offer in the way interest, challenge or national implications. Beside Kings or Wilkes there are not really any schools in the MAC that I miss seeing. I'd much rather see games vs. F&M, Muhlenberg, Ithaca & Hamilton added to schedule any day.
  However, the schedule is what it is & I wish them luck. All I can say is they better win the Landmark again...Pool C does not appear to be an option.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
Saratoga,

Very well understood- I was just sekeing to add some of my relavent experience to your discussion. We had some good games with Kean and they should be a good test if they still have a good squad. They feature a diferent style of play from what is common in the MAC and indeed is probably not common in the Landmark, and that's always a good test to have in a non-league game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 11:05:18 PM
As for the rest, a few notes of interest,

Spent the day at Ralston Field watching the Wilkes football opener. Seeing how much most of you love scheduling the Centennial Conference, I should note that the Colonels opened the year with an upset of defending CC Champion Muhlenberg- that includes rallying form a 10-0 halftime deficit and picking off the Mules three times in the second half. Anyhow.......

I spoke to a few people who are **cough** important to the Wilkes basketball program **cough** and the schedule issue came up. As a matter of fact, Coach Rickrode is quite keen on scheduling the Royals, and was aiming for a date in early January. Apparently the Scranton folks wanted to have some days off before their conference play started back up, while Wilkes wanted to use those days to play several non-conference games to get back in the swing. So the Colonels picked up games on the 5th and 7th. Dosen't make sense to me to take a long break before confernece play starts, but all the best to Scranton and hopefully we'll see the two schools back in action in the future.

But I should note that Wilkes and Scranton are scrimmaging this year, so that's a start. And on recruting, the Colonels apparently have app. 25 players ready for camp, the most ever in the JR era. Cheers everyone :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 05, 2009, 11:54:17 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 11:05:18 PM
Apparently the Scranton folks wanted to have some days off before their conference play started back up, while Wilkes wanted to use those days to play several non-conference games to get back in the swing. So the Colonels picked up games on the 5th and 7th. Dosen't make sense to me to take a long break before confernece play starts, but all the best to Scranton and hopefully we'll see the two schools back in action in the future.

But I should note that Wilkes and Scranton are scrimmaging this year, so that's a start. And on recruting, the Colonels apparently have app. 25 players ready for camp, the most ever in the JR era. Cheers everyone :)
thanks for pursuing the Wilkes-Scranton scheduling problem, but is Jan 4-7(4 days) the long break to which you referred?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 06, 2009, 12:55:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 05, 2009, 11:54:17 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 11:05:18 PM
Apparently the Scranton folks wanted to have some days off before their conference play started back up, while Wilkes wanted to use those days to play several non-conference games to get back in the swing. So the Colonels picked up games on the 5th and 7th. Dosen't make sense to me to take a long break before confernece play starts, but all the best to Scranton and hopefully we'll see the two schools back in action in the future.

But I should note that Wilkes and Scranton are scrimmaging this year, so that's a start. And on recruting, the Colonels apparently have app. 25 players ready for camp, the most ever in the JR era. Cheers everyone :)
thanks for pursuing the Wilkes-Scranton scheduling problem, but is Jan 4-7(4 days) the long break to which you referred?

No problem  :) Believe me, the Wilkes faithful are just as eager to see the matchup return as the Royals are. You just can't beat that atmosphere. Having it during the break woulden't be the optimum time for it, but it would still be better than no meeting at all.

Indeed that time frame from Jan 4-7 was what I speaking of- sorry if "long" was not as lenghty as you may have thought. As I said, all the best to the Royals- each coaching staff dose what is best for their team, and perhaps having those days off  is what will suit the Royals for what they need. But hopefully we'll see the matchup back on very soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 07, 2009, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 03, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
NEPAFAN,

"My only request would be that the games are not scheduled during the winter break for any school- the games suffer greatly when school is out on any of the campuses involved. I've seen that not just with our Scranton games, but also our conference matchups with King's as well. "
  G-manWU: I think you should let Coach Rickroad know that his window for scheduling Scranton does not meet your previously suggested criteria. In addition, I think most Scranton fans would agree, if you're going to play again...do so when school is in session.
  From the "while you're at it department"...I'd like to know why Wilkes & Kings continue to play the Royals in virtually all other sports except basketball. If you truly want to make a statement (whatever that may be), shouldn't there be a degree of consistancy involved? I still think this was a knee jerk reaction by Wilkes & Kings and the absence of the schools on each others schedules has benefitted whom? Last year Scranton played Kings in a scrimmage & this year they have Wilkes...time for these administrations to quit playing this idiotic power game & let the coaches decide who is & is not on their schedule.
  That said, as much as I want Wilkes & Kings back on...I pray their addition will not be at the expense of Bard & Penn Tech...the cornerstones of Scranton's current non-conference schedule.  ;)
 
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 22, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
Drew seems to have brought in a  solid class:

http://www.drew.edu/depts/AthleticsContent.aspx?id=69752


6'11 kid from Staten Island sounds like the real deal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 23, 2009, 11:29:02 AM
Good for Drew. Their new coach has apparently done his homework & brought in the largest recruiting class in modern history. Somewhat refreshing to see a class include players that go a few deep at every position. Also nice to see kids coming in from all over the place...which runs slightly contrary to the Scranton model which extolls the virtues of bringing in a couple of guards as the incoming class & basically from the same zip code.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 24, 2009, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 23, 2009, 11:29:02 AM
Good for Drew. Their new coach has apparently done his homework & brought in the largest recruiting class in modern history. Somewhat refreshing to see a class include players that go a few deep at every position. Also nice to see kids coming in from all over the place...which runs slightly contrary to the Scranton model which extolls the virtues of bringing in a couple of guards as the incoming class & basically from the same zip code.

Interesting stuff- I met the new coach at Drew when he was an assistant at Gettysburg and we had a scrimmage down there. Great guy who will do a good job, and obviously has some numbers on the roster.

The only sad thing about Drew is the gym is hardly big eough for high school games...much less top-caliber D3 basketball. You would think with all the money floating around on campus, they would have built a gym that matches the impressive facilities they have for everything else..maybe not as big as the Long Center, but something like O.W. Houts at Susquehanna would be expected I would think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 25, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Toga,

Beating a dead horse aren't we?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 25, 2009, 01:52:18 PM
After that lead you put out there on Drew...just couldn't resist.  ;)
  G-Man: the new Drew coach played a big role in recruiting many of the Gettysburg kids that went to the wire two years ago vs. Ursinus in what I believe was an elite 8 game.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 29, 2009, 08:46:59 AM
Good Morning all,


Forgive the cross sport posting , but this is for a great cause!

Royal Soccer Teams Looking To "Red Card" Cancer Saturday
September 28, 2009
The University of Scranton's men's and women's soccer teams will be participating in 'Red Card Cancer' this Saturday, October 3, in conjunction with their Landmark Conference doubleheader against Susquehanna University at Fitzpatrick Field.  The women's match will begin at 1:00 p.m., followed by the men at 3:30 p.m.  Admission is free.

This program is designed to bring awareness through the soccer coaching community in the fight against cancer.  It was developed by current Bloomsburg University and former Royals' men's soccer coach Paul Payne.

"Everyone has been touched in some way by cancer." says Payne.  "Those of us in the soccer community have lost some influential people in the last few years.  Joe Bochicchio, long-time coach at The University of Scranton, and Charlotte Moran, who was the president of EPYSA and one of the most active organizers for girls' and women's soccer in America, have been taken from us by this dreaded disease.  It's time we help in the fight and finally hand a red card to cancer."

Bochicchio was a coaching legacy at the university, taking over the women's program in 1984 and transforming it into a national power.  In 23 seasons, he amassed an overall record of 298-144-33, which included 15 Middle Atlantic/Freedom Conference titles and 11 NCAA tournament appearances.  His youngest son, Jeff, is a senior midfielder on the Royals' men's soccer team.

On game day, participating teams will wear specially designed t-shirts during warm-ups that will feature the "Red Card Cancer" logo.  T-shirts will be sold during the games and donations will be accepted to benefit the American Cancer Society.

Donations will also be accepted on Friday, October 2, outside of the DeNaples Center on the campus of The University of Scranton and during the men's and women's soccer games at Fitzpatrick Field. 

In addition to the 'Red Card Cancer' event, the men's and women's soccer teams are inviting all area youth soccer players to attend the games for the 'Royal Youth Soccer Day'.  All youth soccer players are encouraged to wear their uniforms and to cheer loudly in support of their favorite team.   


--ROYALS--


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 29, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
NEPA: Thanks for the update. Many of us that knew Joe still find it hard to believe that after seemingly beating his cancer for years...it could come back on such a great guy with such vengeance. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 30, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
NEPA, thanks for the post. Glad SU is part of the effort, if indirectly. Cancer sucks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 30, 2009, 09:52:36 AM
No problem guys, I think we all know someone who has been hit by cancer so it should be a cause close to everyone's heart.


They should rename the Scranton soccer field after Joe.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on October 19, 2009, 01:46:47 PM
Looks like another exciting year is about to start. Practice has begun. Gophers have 23 man roster. Can they pull together a good group of 5 to be competative and win. I hope so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2009, 09:49:32 AM
TPM,


I'll still see 2008-2009 roster up.....you have inside information?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2009, 09:38:01 AM
Any scrimmages to report? How about the fabled Wilkes-Scranton scrimmage?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
  Catholic loses to NCAA tounament team American University 70-64 Saturday. Box score and play-by-play available on CU schedule. Cards make 6 more 3s and 5 more FGs but AU goes 32-38 from foul line including 10-10 in last 39 secs. 3 players not on last year's roster(presumably frosh) in game, 1(Kearney had 4 blocks in 19 mins; player from BCC who said he was going there didn't play; don't know if he 's there because roster is from last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on November 11, 2009, 01:53:36 PM
Goucher played Millersville a DII school. Micah Perry had 35 points to lead the Gophers but everyone else had low numbers. Lost every quarter.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 12, 2009, 09:44:44 PM
NEPAFAN,

I talked to several WIlkes players and coaches this past weekend at the Colonels home football win over Widener. Their only comments were that the scrimmage went well and both squads looked good. Since so many players on both sides are new since the last time the teams played, few could put names with faces that I would remember. But it was a productive experience from what I understand, and hopefully it is a step back to more sensable times for both programs that will see a regular-seaosn matchup betwene the programs, as well as between the Royals and King's.

On a related note, I saw the many comments above regaridng the "Red Card Cancer" events taking place in October. I have a link below to a story about that event and some others done by Adam Roberts, my fellow reporter at The Abington Journal. Check it out if you get a chance please.

http://www.timesleader.com/AbingtonJournal/sports/Suit_up_for_a_cause_10-14-2009.html 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 13, 2009, 12:15:50 AM
VERY exciting news from Cardinal-land announced today:

Catholic University Men's Basketball Team to Open at Notre Dame Next Year, Game Kicks off Cardinals' 100th Anniversary Season

11/12/09

WASHINGTON--The Catholic University of America men's basketball team will open its 100th anniversary season next year with an exhibition game at the University of Notre Dame. The contest between the two Catholic schools will be the first of many centennial activities being planned to celebrate CUA's storied basketball history.

The Cardinals and Fighting Irish will meet for the first time in South Bend, Ind., on Nov. 6, 2010 at 7:30 p.m. Notre Dame Coach Mike Brey and Cardinal Coach Steve Howes worked out details of the game late last month.

"Playing against Notre Dame would be a privilege for any Division III school," Howes said. "For us it takes on added significance given the historic nature and Catholic mission of both universities. It's an honor to have this opportunity and I'm very grateful to Coach Brey for making it happen. I can't think of a better way to kick off our 100th year of basketball at Catholic University."

Brey and Howes have known each other for many years, and Brey is quite familiar with CUA, having played and coached locally at DeMatha Catholic High School and later playing at George Washington University.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 13, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Holy moley! Congrats on the scheduling coup, Cards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Congrats to CUA! That certainly won't hurt recruiting this year.
  I'm not sure it will pay off the way Scranton will benefit from scheduling Bard...but... :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 16, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
Thanks for the post GMan, good story and good cause.


Saw this is in the Scrantontimes:

Although the University of Scranton men's basketball team lost four seniors to graduation, this is not necessarily a rebuilding season for the Royals.

Twelve letterwinners are back for coach Carl Danzig. All many of them are lacking is experience.

"We've spent (the preseason) trying to stir the pot and see who's going to step up," Danzig said. "We've got some nice sophomores and juniors who have been waiting their opportunity to get on the floor and play."

Heading the list of returnees with experience for Scranton are juniors guards Zach Ashworth and Luke Hawk.

Ashworth led the Royals in scoring (13.7) and assists (102) last season to earn first-team Landmark Conference all-star honors. Hawk chipped in 11.1 points and 4.3 rebounds.

Fifth-year senior Eli Londo is also back. The North Pocono graduate, who missed his freshman season with an injury, averaged 6.6 points and 3.3 rebounds last season.

Senior guard Dan O'Connell, who averaged 5.7 points, 3.9 rebounds and 2.9 assists off the bench, returns as well.

After that, Danzig will be looking for players to make the most of their chance, particularly along the frontline. Players such as juniors Andrew Wynne (6-foot-8), Anthony Carlino (6-foot-7) and sophomores Matt Swaback (6-foot-8) and Nick Jaskula (6-foot-8).

Danzig has also been impressed by freshman guard Travis Farrell, who could help fill the 3-point shooting void left by the departure of Ryan FitzPatrick.

"He's definitely going to factor in and get some quality minutes as a sixth man or a starter," Danzig said. "I think people are going to like watching him play. He's 6-3, got point-guard skills, can shoot it from NBA range and finish with both hands. He's going to be a real asset for us this year."


Three former Scranton Prep players should also contribute. Guards Pat Mineo and Tim Lavelle are both freshmen, while sophomore Matt FitzPatrick transferred from Ithaca College.

Besides its Landmark Conference schedule, the Royals will also play a daunting nonconference slate, which begins Tuesday at 7 p.m. against Kean College at the John Long Center.

Among the opponents includes a Dec. 12 trip to Elizabethtown College, which is favored to win the MAC Commonwealth title. There also is a potential matchup Nov. 22 in the Radisson Invitational final against John Carroll, which is ranked No. 2 in the d3hoops.com preseason Top 25.

"We know we have a challenge ahead of us because we lost so many talented players," Danzig said. "If the kids who have been waiting in the wings do what they're supposed to do, we hopefully should have another banner year."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2009, 08:49:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 13, 2009, 12:15:50 AM
VERY exciting news from Cardinal-land announced today:

Catholic University Men's Basketball Team to Open at Notre Dame Next Year, Game Kicks off Cardinals' 100th Anniversary Season



  I remember when Notre Dame inaugurated Kings' new gym back in the late '60s. That team featured 3 local DC stars: Colis Jones(St. John's), Sid Catlett(Dematha), and the great Austin Carr(Mackin). ND and Kings' were run by the same religious order, which facilitated that matchup.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2009, 02:07:04 PM
Saratoga,


Thoughts on Kings and former Royal Assistant/Bessior Successor JP Andrejko losing to Penn College? I was checking the scores last night and saw Kings lost at Penn College. Interesting.


You got any insight into Swaback? Good numbers in his first collegiate start.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 18, 2009, 11:03:42 PM
NEPA: I saw the Kings score last night as well & found it hard to believe. Perhaps Penn Tech is the real deal, PSU Hazleton is Top 25 material & Bard will be in the Sweet 16. And to think I thought Scranton had one weak non-conference schedule!
  The young player you mentioned filled in very nicely for the injured Luke Hawk. Although he's listed at 6'8"...he seems more comfotable shooting the 3 as opposed to playing in the post. He does hit the boards pretty well & all things considered...he had a pretty nice first start. If the Royals can get that production from him every night, I think they'll take it.
  As they say, I'd rather have an ugly win than a pretty loss & that about sums this one up. Some signs of hope & a dash or two of the typical stuff that generally hurts the Royals vs. better teams. It's early, take the win & move on & hopefully the smoke & mirrors will arrive by mid Janurary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2009, 09:53:08 AM
  The 1st smoke cartridge has already been used; the shooting guard recruit(0-4) led the team in rebounding(7) in a half game of action. Things aren't always like they're planned.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Saratoga,


Glaring stat is Kean's 14 Offensive boards. Same thing we have seen in past years. That being said, not a bad performance minus Hawk against a decent NJAC team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
I guess if you continue to be unsuccessful in bringing in post & wing players that can step in & play on both ends of the floor & all you do bring in are guards...eventually, from a probability standpoint...they (guards) will lead the team in rebounds.
  As you've stated, giving up second & third chance shots has been an issue here for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
Scranton has an easy time with #25 Bard, paving the way for # 2 John Carroll vs. the Royals on Sunday afternoon at 4pm in the final of the Raddisson Invitational. Any other tournys going on?


By the way, I believe one of the John Carroll stars, Crozier was being recruited by Scranton but chose to go out to Ohio. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
Scranton has an easy time with #25 Bard, paving the way for # 2 John Carroll vs. the Royals on Sunday afternoon at 4pm in the final of the Raddisson Invitational. Any other tournys going on?


By the way, I believe one of the John Carroll stars, Crozier was being recruited by Scranton but chose to go out to Ohio. 
  And Bard is #25 in what?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 22, 2009, 08:17:56 AM
Great post, ronk.

Danzig wanted Crozier really bad. Now he has to hope his team can stay within 30 of JC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2009, 10:35:01 AM
Hey ronk,


Just a joke based on saratoga's post a few days ago.


CC,

great post by me you mean,right?

What's up with the centenary -Carroll score?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on November 22, 2009, 08:31:05 PM
what's up with Catholic?  pretty sub-par start for a team w/ preseason top25 votes and super[hero] star banzhaf

i may be wrong, but he had something like 4 pts and 2 rebs the first game this weekend? 

on the contrary, solid showing by SU this weekend..beat around a fairly-experienced E-town team with quite some ease...STARTING THREE FRESHMEN!  it appears Marcinek followed up his successful recruiting class of Spenser^2 last year with a group of very solid freshmen to replace what they lost to graduation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 23, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 22, 2009, 08:17:56 AM
Great post, ronk.

Danzig wanted Crozier really bad. Now he has to hope his team can stay within 30 of JC.


Pretty accurate. Scranton loses by 25 or so and Crozier is named Tournament MVP.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on November 23, 2009, 12:59:35 PM
Saw the Pride of MD tournament at Goucher; that team may never be what it once was.  Different cast of characters, same results.  Look for repeat of recent years - tough defense, no organized offense, no outside shooting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
In all honesty, John Carroll could have defeated Scranton by 40 at the Long Center if their coach continued to press & rotate his first 10 players. Thank God he took them out at the 8 minute mark & put in players 11-15. The questionable part was when Scranton's players led by subs Lavelle, Mineo, Wallace, O'Connell & Swaback etc. started busting their butts for loose balls & rebounds & then nailed a few 3's, he got all out of shape & put his starters back in. The game was over, what did it matter if they won by 40 or 19? It was a massacre from the start & it painfully revealed how far Scranton has fallen from the upper echelon of DIII basketball in recent years.
 The good news...Scranton's back end of the bench played very hard, in fact, they played with more resolve & spirt than did the starters. Granted, it was against JC's bench but, just the same, they did hustle while out there...something I dare say many of the "starters" failed to do.
 Far too many turnovers (hasn't this been an issue for years), minimal rebounding(ditto), lack of true point to run the game & break the press(double ditto), & just too slow to play with the top guns in the nation.
 If this game were a bench mark against where "they" are & where "we" are...trust me, we are not really in a good place. I'm sure we'll be competitive with Juniata & Goucher,probably knock off Drew(not 100% sure about that at Baldwin), perhaps a win or two vs. Moravian & maybe we'll even be competitive against Catholic, Merchant Marine & Susquehanna. However, once the Royals step outside of the friendly confines of the Landmark...all bets are off.
 Bottom line...John Carroll was bigger, faster, stronger, tougher,more poised, more focused & had the best overall team concept I've seen in a squad visiting the Long Center in probably 20 years.
 If Scranton truly wishes to attain prominence in DIII again, then they have some very serious work to do. The current gap between these two teams will take three light-years and a minor miracle to close. Jusuit's...start your prayers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 23, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 23, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
It was a massacre from the start & it painfully revealed how far Scranton has fallen from the upper echelon of DIII basketball in recent years.

Jack, you needed this game to be convinced? What took you so long?

And where is Lefty. I need to ask him how the Steelers did in Kansas City on Sunday. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 23, 2009, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 23, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
And where is Lefty. I need to ask him how the Steelers did in Kansas City on Sunday. ;D ;D ;D

CC,

I was wondering where you were - are you out on parole?

Lefty
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on November 24, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: fourguysdone on November 23, 2009, 12:59:35 PM
Saw the Pride of MD tournament at Goucher; that team may never be what it once was.  Different cast of characters, same results.  Look for repeat of recent years - tough defense, no organized offense, no outside shooting.

Its going to be a tough year for them again, noone can score. Only chance they have is defense and pray for a poor shooting night by the opponents. Sad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 24, 2009, 11:09:54 PM
CUA 70 Haverford 37

I'll share some thoughts on the game/Cardinals tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2009, 12:25:59 PM
Scranton 67 Misericordia 50


Scranton seems to have a short bench due to injuries. No Luke Hawk, or Dan O'connell, and a few others were missing. Not sure when they will return.


Recruiting question. I see Susquehanna and a few other schools (Drew, Catholic?) have landed a few prep kids. How common is that at the D3 level? Susquehanna actually has a freshman from St. Thomas More, which is a pretty good prep school in Connecticut. What makes a prep kid choose D3?


Enjoy and have a safe Holiday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on November 25, 2009, 05:21:46 PM
that's a good question to ponder...  but i guess the best response i can gather is that despite being in a prep school, not everyone gets D-1 looks.  spenser spencer, prep school, had no big time looks afterward. harvey pannell (from st thomas more) must be the same scenario.  they were likely role players on their prep school teams, overshadowed by the big guns.  however, i feel they probably have an advantage over other players that come from public schools just from playing against such caliber players in practice everyday while in prep school and those on other teams in games.  we all know how good spenser spencer was as a freshman--needed no time to adjust.  now Pannell goes out, as a freshman, and is the MVP (over spencer!!) of their opening tourney.  obviously did not need any time to adjust. 

another possible scenario is that prep kids that go d-3 do not have well-rounded games.  maybe they are great scorers, but too small to defend anyone or score on d-1 sized athletes.  perhaps he doesn't have a jumpshot, but can go by any defender and vice versa.  therefore, d1 coaches might think it is a liability to have to take the time to teach this player the other half of their game that is missing--maybe he just doesnt and never will have it.

yet others im sure just fall off the radar because they are overshadowed by the studs at their prep school.

whatever the reason, i think it is safe to say that prep players that come to the d3 level certainly have an advantage and are more prepared to be impact players as freshmen--again, spencer and now Pannell as examples.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2009, 03:31:07 PM
NEPA: Generally good points made by Hoopit. Prep schools generally serve two purposes, to give an otherwise decent student the opportunity to improve themselves academically so they can then meet the requirements of certain schools they may be interested in attending & secondly, to provide another year of growth academically, socially & athletically so that they are much better prepaired to meet the challenges that lie ahead. Some kids attend that never played a sport in their life it's just that they would not meet the entrance requirements of say Colgate if they didn't get that extra year of prep school to demonstrate they do have the ability to be successful in that envirnment.
  As hoopit further adds...others attend to gain the extra years growth in a number of areas & hope they can substancially improve their skills to a point where the chance to play at the highest level is offered. Should the Holy Grail of DI  not be in the cards...many of these kids then filter down to DII & DIII. The down side to this are the sometimes fairly loud whispers of player x being given a chance to play at a college that otherwise would have never even considered him right out of high school.
  Did the prep school do their job & prepair the student for what lies ahead or is the prep school just a fast track through the admissions process? I guess only the student-athlete, prep school & current school can honestly answer that one.
  Nice to see the Royals bounce back in their game Tues. vs. Miseri. Good luck to them this weekend at the UofR tournement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2009, 12:06:35 PM
   The Royals' game today vs Rochester @3 should be videocast. Link via Rochester men's bball web page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2009, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on November 25, 2009, 05:21:46 PM
that's a good question to ponder...  but i guess the best response i can gather is that despite being in a prep school, not everyone gets D-1 looks.  spenser spencer, prep school, had no big time looks afterward. harvey pannell (from st thomas more) must be the same scenario.  they were likely role players on their prep school teams, overshadowed by the big guns.  however, i feel they probably have an advantage over other players that come from public schools just from playing against such caliber players in practice everyday while in prep school and those on other teams in games.  we all know how good spenser spencer was as a freshman--needed no time to adjust.  now Pannell goes out, as a freshman, and is the MVP (over spencer!!) of their opening tourney.  obviously did not need any time to adjust. 

another possible scenario is that prep kids that go d-3 do not have well-rounded games.  maybe they are great scorers, but too small to defend anyone or score on d-1 sized athletes.  perhaps he doesn't have a jumpshot, but can go by any defender and vice versa.  therefore, d1 coaches might think it is a liability to have to take the time to teach this player the other half of their game that is missing--maybe he just doesnt and never will have it.

yet others im sure just fall off the radar because they are overshadowed by the studs at their prep school.

whatever the reason, i think it is safe to say that prep players that come to the d3 level certainly have an advantage and are more prepared to be impact players as freshmen--again, spencer and now Pannell as examples.


Hoopit/Saratoga,

Thanks for the information. I had no idea that Spenser Specner was a prep kid. Isn't he from Washington State as well? Weird recruit for SU. Anyway I guess I always thought itf a kid is going to do an extra year at prep school it is to get himself a look from a D-1 or D-2 school, although I do remember a few kids putting in some time at Scranton from St. Thomas Moore. I don't think either of them lasted more than a year if my memory serves me.


Scranton needs some scoring currently only Londo, Ashworth and the freshman Farrell are able to put the ball in the net!










Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2009, 10:59:09 PM
NEPA: The grim reality for Scranton the past 5-6 years is if the team they are playing is of lesser talent...they have a shot. Should the team be of equal talent, it's about 50/50 & should the team have more talent, they have a success rate probably in the low teens. Personally, I can't remember a non-conference game vs. a tough opponent that they've stayed with in quite some time.
  Seems whenever they play a legitimate squad they are killed on the boards which then equates to far too many second chance shots, they have a greater amount of turnovers, their bench gets outscored by huge amounts & their points in the paint are minimal yet points given up on the blocks is pretty significant. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to detect where the weaknesses lie & what one needs to do to exploit them. Then again, this has been the same tune here for how long now?
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2009, 07:37:25 PM
Selective memory?!!!   Scranton is two time conference champs don't think they didn't have some quality wins in that time. However without sounding like a broken record  looking at this roster I cant believe Danzig hasn't brought in more forwards I think that is the biggest issue in royalland.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 01, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
WOW Goucher Gophers lose tonight to Maryland Bible 82-79. This is Bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 01, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
NEPA: Naturally Scranton has had big wins in recent years...just can't recall that many non-conference big wins. They've held their own for the most part while in the MAC Freedom & as you've stated, they have now captured the first two Landmark championships. However, it is once they step out of this conference cubby & into the national scene that things have gone south & fairly quickly.
Last year, big win at the end of the season to knock Catholic out & then the same vs. Susquehanna. Then comes the first round NCAA game vs. Brandeis & a sound beating.
  Two years ago the same thing...decent finish down the stretch in the Landmark...make the NCAA's & blown out by Elms in the first round.
  Four years ago, defeat Wilkes in a very big game at the Long Center to win the MAC Freedom...first round game in NCAA's vs. Wm. Patterson...you guessed it, blown out in the first round.
  Five years ago, no NCAA bid but they do take an ECAC offer for the first time in about 50 years. Games held at F&M where the Royals defeat Alvernia in the Friday game then get smoked by F&M in the Sat. championship.
  I really think you almost have to go back 6 years to find the last game out of conference that the Royals won that had any significance. To me, that game was the victory over Ursinus that allowed them to advance to the Sweet 16. That group were the seniors of Coach Bessoir's last recruiting class...Dan Loftus, Derik Elphick, Jeff Kane, Bryan Smith & sophmores Brian O'Donnell & Ryan Rogan. It was a great game that went back & forth with the Royals holding on for a two point win in the SECOND round of the NCAA tournament. Since then there have been some nice wins during the season that have led to some tournament berths, which in the scheme of things is a good thing. It's just that those victories in the really big games, the ones that seperate the men from the boys have been very few & very far between. It would be nice to see the men outdraw the women once again, win a few in the NCAA's & recruit kids beyond two zip codes.
  I'll take a 5 point win over Goucher however, wouldn't it be nice to also be able to play with a Rochester or John Carroll? Nice that they can beat Bard but how about playing Hamilton or Ursinus again. Nice that 400 show up for a tournament championship but how about 2,000 on a Wednesday night? Nice that you get to a first round game but, how about another Sweet 16 or Elite 8 or God forbid, a Final Four?
  These things were all once common place & now they seem like a distant dream. The Long Center was the place to be not so long ago, now it's more like an afterthought. Can't really say what's happened to Royal basketball other than the pieces are not there to compete nationally. I certainly hope Coach Danzig catches lightning in a bottle with some recruits & changes the current dynamic...after all, it would be nice to go out and win a few big ones...just for old times sake.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 02, 2009, 10:53:10 AM
"This was only the fourth all-time meeting between the two schools in the sport of men's basketball and it was the Eagles' first victory in the series." - WOW- could be tough in the Landmark this year for the Gophers. Hopefully they will bounce back and learn from that embarrassing loss.

One Positive is Gladden, who wasn't on team last year due to team issues or something,  played well and will be an All-Conference Forward in the Landmark Conference this year if he continues. 12-12 from the field is impressive with 15 boards. He has strength, athletic and will to get to the basket with the ability to take hits and finish strong, AND 1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2009, 11:29:58 AM
tpm4286: The player you described (Gladden), is exactly the type of player Scranton has not been able to bring in recently. Perhaps we can work out a trade?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 02, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 02, 2009, 11:29:58 AM
tpm4286: The player you described (Gladden), is exactly the type of player Scranton has not been able to bring in recently. Perhaps we can work out a trade?

I'm sure after last nights loss, and this afternoon practice sprints, Gladden will want a trade. HAHA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2009, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 02, 2009, 11:29:58 AM
tpm4286: The player you described (Gladden), is exactly the type of player Scranton has not been able to bring in recently. Perhaps we can work out a trade?

I've seen Goucher play .... I don't think Gladden is the type of player you are talking about  ... he is similar to Londo if I was going to compare him to someone on the Royals height wise, not as physical and problly a little more athletic with Londos knee the way it is.

Goucher has some good individuals from what I saw in the game and the boxscores, but consistency seems to be the issue. Perry, Suggs, and Gladden are all capable of big nights.

I think there will be a lot of parody in the league this year. The preaseason coaches poll had 1. CUA 2. MM 3. Scranton 4. SU 5. JC 6. MC 7. GC 8. Drew. I think Drew will finish 6th GC 7th MC 8th and while the top 3 I think will
make the playoffs for sure I see JC and SU battling for the 4th seed.

Matt- is JB hurt or just off to a slow start by his standards?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Saratoga,


2 years ago Scranton knocked off Alvernia, NAIA powerhouse Walsh and Ramapo to open the season. I guess my point is that game preparation is not the issue, it is getting talent in and on the team. Nothing against the kids on the team now, but the are the hybrid slashers combo guards that are certainly one element, but  what can we do to get the rest of the pieces?  Not to much I suppose, but it is scary that schools like Drew are starting to stockpile some quality recruits...the Landmark might become real competitive real quick.

Also agree with you on branching out of the NEPA zip codes, Catholic seems to be successful doing this as they have brought in some kids from the New England Area. Finally, I don't buy the excuse that kids don't want to go to Scranton because it is expensive....and what Drew, Catholic, JC are cheap?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2009, 04:15:14 PM
NEPA: Totally agree with you & I think I've been saying it for some time...the game at this level is dictated by the kids on the floor. Great players make great teams. No point guard, no post presence, no physical presence on the boards & the team speed of a sack race at a fat kids camp & this is what happens. The biggest problem is this entire situation has been a problem for too long. It appears the "expense" issue is becoming a little too convenient.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on December 01, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
WOW Goucher Gophers lose tonight to Maryland Bible 82-79. This is Bad.


Tpm,


Here is hoping Scranton doesn't follow suit against PSU Hazleton tonight!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
NEPA: Believe it or not...there are still some tickets left for tonights game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2009, 11:46:21 PM
Tough loss at home tonight for JC to CMU. Scranton with only a 6 pt lead at the half but ended up pulling away in the early 2nd making 11 of their first 14 shots.

This weekend I'll take Scranton, Catholic, Merch Marine, and JC.

For CUA to be the supposed league front runner they are off to a rocky 3-3 start.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2009, 12:25:47 PM
I'll go:


Dec. 5       Drew          Merchant Marine                     
              Moravian       Scranton                          
            Goucher               Catholic                           
            Susquehanna       Juniata                      
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 03, 2009, 02:26:08 PM
Drew over MM really? ne reason or just ur gut?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
I think Drew has brought in some recruits....early season upset..what can I say.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2009, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
I think Drew has brought in some recruits....early season upset..what can I say.

NEPA,

Just passing through, but kind of saw your post and was surprised you said that.  ??? Cabrini beat Drew by 32 and then a first year program, Rosemont,  beat them by 4.  I think MM might be a little better than Rosemont.  I don't believe it will be an upset.  But I've been wrong before.    ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 04, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2009, 12:25:47 PM
I'll go:


Dec. 5       Drew          Merchant Marine                     
              Moravian       Scranton                          
            Goucher               Catholic                           
            Susquehanna       Juniata                      



Catholic- 77 Goucher-54
Susquehanna over Juniata
MM over Drew
Scranton over Moravian.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Wow never thought I would get grief for picking Drew. I didn't know they lost to a 1st year school so we can just call it a hunch then that they pull out a victory on Satuday. Maybe USMA can use my post  as bulletin board material.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 04, 2009, 01:56:25 PM
http://www.landmarkconference.org/video/mbballpreview_12_4_09.flv

this is kind of cool that the conference does this...looks like they will be blogging about the games on saturday as well
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 05, 2009, 02:19:47 PM
http://live.cua.edu/

Follow link for Live video of Goucher vs. Catholic....Hopefully the Gophers will play better and get an upset but thats unlikely.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2009, 12:34:04 PM
Guess I was wrong with my Drew pick.



Great article on the career of Eli Londo, enjoy:

http://www.timesleader.com/scrantonedition/sports/Londo_glad_he_took_fifth_year_12-06-2009.html


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
NEPA: very nice article on a very nice young man. Thanks for sharing.
  PS...he can still get up there, I can only imagine his ability pre-injuries.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
Been a bit busy recently... but just a thought about Goucher's loss to MD Bible... really bad. The Gophers had a 21 point lead in the first half... put it on crusie control and couldn't turn that off. There was no sense of urgency from the team when the Eagles made their run in the second half. Aside from Gladden, most of the rest of the team never figured out how to get into the game or play solid defense. Gladden had a very good game... the 12-12 is a school record for shooting percentage in a game and his 32 points was a career high. But imagine how good the team would have been in that game if anyone from the other side of the paint or from outside could put up points as well.

This team can't pull it together and time is running out already to be taken seriously. Maybe their game against Marymount can be a chance to right the ship... but if they lose that game this season is going to be really long and quiet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on December 08, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
Insiders say the program at Goucher has been down for a while but the coach still thinks and acts like it's the 90's when his teams did win some.  There doesn't seem to be much interaction between players and not much support from fans.  Students who have been there for 4 years only know men's bb as a losing program.  And that feeds itself and creates more of the same.  The common denominator and the one who has to be responsible is the coach.  Change is due.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2009, 04:46:44 PM
Love the "Insiders say"... we all know the program has been down for a while... what changes is not only up to the coaches (as with all problems), but also players who might want to decide that "pride" is more important then just playing.

Also... I have never seen players more uninterested in the rest of the campus and student-body then the last few years. From what I have learned, they aren't much involved in the campus... thus, students don't care much to support them.

It is too bad that sometimes students and players at some schools (and Goucher is NOT alone) feel they are too good for the rest of the student-body, fellow student-athletes, and campus as a whole.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 08, 2009, 11:45:15 PM
interesting topic...

From my experience in watching the SU program, i have to completely agree with the importance of team-campus interaction.

prior to the last 2-3 years, attendance at SU games was nothing to brag about. however, it appears as those things changed the past few years, where there is rarely a game at OW houts where the stands are not full of students.  from having some interaction with the seniors from the last two graduating classes, i know that they were all stand-up guys that cared for others and making the campus as a whole, and together, a better place.  therefore, other SU teams respected them, the student body respected them, and as a result, attendance nears 1000 at most weekend home games now at SU. 

to further amplify the the importance of this, just look at the team's record over the past 4,5,6 years.  there was a year, in pre-good attendance days where the team was 3-21. however recently, their record continues to get better, and i have to conclude that is at least in part a function of student/fan support.  instead of losing close games against the tougher teams in the conference, now, with support of a large fan base, winning these games at home is almost expected.  and obviously, it is much easier to do so with a large crowd behind you.


to conclude, it is important for not only athletes at each school to take interest in being 'liked' on campus, but also the athetlic dept. itself in PROMOTING this to happen.  rarely do you ever see a successful team playing with empty bleachers.

i can only hope that even with the absence of the players who have built this relationship at SU that it will be continued! there are definitely the type of guys there now to do so, so for all crusader fans' sake i hope they keep it goin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 09, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
It seems an NBA game has broken out at Misericordia/Susquehanna: 48-48 at halftime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 09, 2009, 09:31:11 PM
Let me tell you, I can't remember seeing two teams hit so many threes! I think it was 28 total at the end.

Susquehanna won, 96-89.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 09, 2009, 10:03:01 PM
After topping the 1000-point mark on Saturday, Jason Banzhaf continued his strong shooting, dropping 17 and grabbing eight boards in CUA's (5-3) 70-66 upset over No. 21 DeSales (5-3) on Wednesday evening at the DuFour Center.

Brian Baker added 15 points for the Cards, going 5-of-6 from the field, including three triples, and a perfect 2 for 2 from the charity stripe.  R.J. Dixon added five assists and eight points in the contest.

Brian Hunter and Darnell Braswell each scored 16 for the Bulldogs in the loss.  Braswell added a team-high eight boards.

The teams played nearly even throughout the first half, with CUA leading by as many as seven twice but settled on a two-point advantage at the break.  The teams each made 10 field goals and three triples in the first half along with the Cardinals holding an 18-17 advantage on the boards.  The only determining stat in the first half was the hosts 4-of-4 over the visitors 2-of-2 from the free throw line.

In the second half, it was more of the same until Spencer Reed sparked a 14-3 run that put the Cardinals up 10 with 7:47 left in the contest.  CUA maintained that lead throughout the remainder of the game, exchanging baskets and converting 13 free throws in the final five minutes of play.

The Cards held a 37-33 advantage on the boards in the contest, but 22 fouls against DeSales combined with 18-of-23 shooting from the foul line put the hosts on top and earned CUA the upset.

The Cardinals will return to action on Sat. Dec. 19 against Carnegie Mellon at the DuFour Center. Tipoff is set for 7:30 p.m.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on December 10, 2009, 12:11:38 PM
very interesting take from SU thanks, nice to see that happen  at your college.  Agreed.  Campus interaction of all sports to other constituencies is crucial to athletic support and eventually success.  It only takes one rogue sport to ruin the reputation of the others or to give sports a bad name.  People understand losing but if other things get added like poor behavior or as D-mac says indifference or even snobbery to the student body as a whole then there are going to be issues.  Makes you wonder how much winning would change student support.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 10, 2009, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: fourguysdone on December 10, 2009, 12:11:38 PM
Makes you wonder how much winning would change student support.

yes, fourguys, but also vice versa!! gaining student support makes winning, at home at least, much easier!!  but yes, winning games gets the students to come back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2009, 02:33:08 PM
So who is the smart guy that voted for Scranton in the Top 25?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 10, 2009, 08:01:30 PM
Suspect #1: the coach of their next opponent - Elizabethtown :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2009, 11:02:00 PM
My guess: Stuart Smalley. I've heard he's been seen around Coach Danzig's office lately.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 12, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
this is final, and official and not a typo.... SU has beaten Stockton in the King's tourney championship, 69-66.  this shows the potential they HAVE, they just need to bring it every game, to avoid some of the hiccups they've had so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 13, 2009, 02:01:54 PM
Great win for SU & you certainly do have some very talented athletes.
Then there are the Royals. How many times has it been said the past 5 or 6 years...when they play a team of equal or slightly better talent, especially on the road...they'll need a miracle to win. No such miracle yesterday, dumped by E-town. In the process, Scranton sets a new record for futility by turning the ball over an extremely generous 28 times. Same old story for any well coached team, press the Royals & sit back for the points from turnovers to add to your lead. The Royals have more turnovers this year than the best bakeries in Baveria.
Scranton is very fortunate that Eli came back this season or those great wins against Bard & Hazleton may have ended up in the loss column. The sad part of this is regardless of how well Eli is playing or with his obvious desire, he will more than likely be worn down toward the end of the season. Each & every night he has to bang with multiple players bigger & stronger than he with virtually zero help. There has not been one post player recruited in this current tenure that can step in & play the game on both ends of the floor. Why? Kids are constantly playing out of their natural position because those specific roles have not been filled & kids are getting serious minutes in vital positions that otherwise wouldn't had real recruiting been taking place over the last 5+years. Beside Randy Arnold, what true point has been brought in that can break a press, deliver quick pin-point passes, drive, shoot & set others others up in the right spots?
The whispers of concern for this program are becoming louder as things play out and become a bit clearer. Years of not being able to fill certain vital positions have now placed Scranton in the role of afterthought & national pretender as opposed to seriously being on the national radar & being a national contender.
Should Scranton not greatly improve its recruiting & move beyond the typical 3 schools it visits, should it not upgrade its non conference schedule, should they continue to fail to recruit kids that will be crowd favorites & should they continue to fail miserably in redeveloping a once proud & rabid fan base with their fellow students, then Scranton will no longer need to worry about being on the national radar screen...sonar will do just fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 13, 2009, 07:32:38 PM
Saratoga, have you ever given any consideration to being a D3 Coach?  i just have a sneaking suspicion that it ain't as easy as it looks.  Seriously, when my Aggies were losing much of the time, i'd look for moments of brillance, as i'd call it.  Now, the Women's Del Val team is beginning to show promise.  i do remember one night when our treys beat you guys at Aggieland.  PlayBall was posting then, & she commented on "the long ride home, & you live by the three & you die by the three".  You know, i'm sure, how i feel - just love that team unconditionally - they'll appreciate your support.  Probably play better because of it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 14, 2009, 10:50:02 AM
A P.S. for Saratoga, you might even start to enjoy the games a little more, if you just relax & focus on two or three of your best players - i just would like it if everyone taking in D3 games could appreciate all the practice & work & sacrifice that go into being on the team.  Merry Christmas  & Happy Hanukkah to all on the Landmark site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2009, 04:28:54 PM
Can we hold off on writing off the entire Royal season in early December? I am sure any potential future Royals aren't getting a warm fuzzy with all the negative vibes here.


Thanks for the holiday wishes Kate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 14, 2009, 04:54:27 PM
Su next heads to sunny shores of puerto rico for a tourament....not only are they fortunate for the obvious reason (look outside), but also because they get to go there and play another nationall recognized quality team in St. Marys of Md.  This is a chance for them to really make a statement.  was stockton a fluke? i think not. but here is their chance to prove it to everybody else.   if they go down there and bring it to st marys they will certainly begin to raise some eyebrows and at the least instill some fear in the landmark.  with such a young team outside of majors, consistency is one of my concerns.  case in point--slaughtered by bridgewater, come back and beat e-town, lose to juniata, then go on and beat stockton.   if they can go and compete against st. marys i feel it will do wonders for the team morale heading into the holiday---because who do they have next? franklin and marshall at their new years tourney.

as a sidenote, after hearing toga talk about non-conf sceduling, i have to give marcinek at SU credit for really focusing on shaping his non-conf schedule to test his team against some of the best. he has always been pretty good at that.  whether they are playing top d3 teams or traveling to play against navy or coastal carolina or other d1 teams, a value cant be placed on the experience, nor its beneficial worth come jan-feb in landmark play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
Kate: I can assure you I know first hand what it's like to recruit your butt off only to lose a kid to a school you never even knew he was considering. I also know that there is not just one reason why a student may choose one school over another.
Last year we had a pretty good discussion on this board as to how the school's endowment may play a huge role in the final determination of of need & whether or not the student & family could actually afford to attend their first choice given the actual presented package.
Trust me Kate, very few of us attend games because we expect to win every night. If that were the case, many of us would have stopped attending years ago. I think we still go because we want to see young kids become good players & better people, we hope to see our kids play the best & we want them to achieve every success athletically & academically.
As I mentioned in a post from earlier in the season, I'm sure Coach Danzig recruits his tail off for the best kids he can find but, somewhere there is a disconnect & kids that need to fill a certain need are just not landing on the steps of the Long Center.
From over 20 years at the DIII level I do have a perspective of the day to day frustrations of recruiting and all the pitfalls some coaches can land in during their quest for instant gratification. To his credit, Coach Danzig has done things the right way. However, you can not compare womens basketball at DVC & the mens program at Scranton. If you ever experienced the scene of one overflow crowd after another in the 70's, 80's & 90's as the Royals marched toward a National title or Sweet 16 or Elite 8 then you'd understand the passion that remains for Royal basketball.
In many ways Scranton fans have been spoiled by the success of the mens team through the mid 90's & our womens team right through today. I nor anyone I know expect the Royals to be in the hunt each & every year however, being seriously competitive with the best in DIII should always be a reachable & attainable goal given the resources of this university.
Scranton's struggles on the national scene in mens basketball are not an indictment on our coach as an x & o person as much as it is a question of why some rather obvious holes haven't been filled. Some coaches love recruiting, many hate it & others never leave their office until time to seal the deal time arrives.
I wish every success for Coach Danzig & hope he can get each & every player he has his sights on. That said, I think discussing concerns along with what is right about any team deserves an open forum. Perhaps some day I'll be able to just go with the flow & say all is well when I know differently...just not there yet & not sure I'll ever be. As a coach,if you can't acknowledge your areas that need help, I'm not too sure you can ever truly address them.
In the mean time, I'll still pull for the Royals every night they go out & I'll continue to send my wish list to Santa. Besides the basic health, world peace, & love for all, it still includes crowds, a post presence & one very good point guard.
Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah to you as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 15, 2009, 12:56:24 PM
Whats new?  Awfully quiet from Catholic this year except they are honored to get smacked by notre dame next year.
Maybe we can get Banzhof some Big East player of the year votes too.
SU off to a wierd start with some tough loses and nice wins, but more importantly, we going to PR.
Scranton's fine.
Drew and Goucher are not.
Catholic is good, but not as good as they think they are.
Moravian ouch
Juniata well.....consistent.
USMMA good team.

playoffs:
Catholic
SU
Scranton
USMMA

Earlier predictions:
Coach of the year: USMMA
Player of the year: Banshoff
Champion: Merchant Mariners.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 15, 2009, 01:00:03 PM
Jon & Kate Plus 8 Landmark Teams......Goucher lost by nearly 30 points to a Marymount team that is mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 15, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
I wonder who will be the coach at Goucher next year?  :o

I'm definately using that Jon and kate joke next time im at a .....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 15, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
Well, I've been a bit busy these days...don't worry, you'll be hearing from me more frequently soon enough.  A 7 month old and a 3 year old, 2 and a half hours commuting every day and all the rest keep me a bit busier than the old days though.

I've only seen Catholic play once this year, though I'm followed them and know what's going on...to answer a previous question about Banzhof's numbers being a bit down, I think frankly things are still getting sorted out a little bit.  They're still pretty young---younger than people think when you look at who is getting minutes.  They've got 4 freshman getting major minutes right now--2 of them have started, and another one is running the show with the 2nd team offense. 

It seems to me that they're trying hard to develop options other than Banzhof.  Their scoring is unbelieveably spread out--they've got 7 guys who are averaging between 4.5-7.0.   I think Jason could potentially be getting more points--and I wouldn't be surprised to see that start happening--but its in their long term interst to spread things around a little bit more and see if Kearney can pick up some of the load underneath.  They didn't have anybody like him on the roster last year. 

Holmes--the backup PG--is probably the fastest player in the Landmark.  Certainly the fastest Catholic player I've ever seen.  He does have a shot, though right now that's not his focus.

Anyway--I think there's a lot of potential with Catholic this year--I'd be surprised if the team in February looks like they did in November.  But when you are meshing together a lot of new parts, sometimes that are some bumps in the road.  On the other hand, by beating DeSales and hanging with York to OT, they've shown what they can be.  Looking forward to conference play, but first a non-conference game against Carniege Mellon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2009, 04:13:09 PM
tpm4286 - took you awhile to post, didn't it! For starters, I wouldn't say Marymount is mediocre at best. They do have plenty of talent, their defense is better then I have seen it in years, and their offense actually seemed to make sense for the first time in a long time. So, let's not take anything away from the Saints... they were better then I expected.

As for the Gophers... there are three major things missing from this team (and recent teams): heart, pride, and leadership. I talked with a few people who I know disagree with me, but when you as player, no matter the circumstances of the team, program, or game, can't show any heart or pride and someone can't show any leadership, it doesn't matter how good you are as individuals, you will never succeed as a team. In the last few years, it has been hard to find any heart, pride, or leadership on this program... and speaking as one who experienced an 0-17 season in soccer (where we had plent of heart, pride, and leadership and fought hard in each and everyone of those games), it is disappointing.

That all being said... I still support this team and wish only the best for them. I want them to find the missing link(s) and start succeeding. They have lots of young talent that I am impressive with and could be something to really build on for the future... but if the young talent is going to follow in the footsteps of those leading them right now (upper classmen), then they will never figure out how to be a winning team. The Juniors and Seniors need to show how to win, the Freshmen and Sophomores have to step-up and take over this team. I think it can be done... I am now just waiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2009, 08:15:21 PM
Matt,
  The Cards have been videocasting their home games, if you can't spend the time to go to Dufour. I saw some of the DeSales game that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 15, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
Cardinals are young for the 5th straight year.  I guess thats what happens when the entire team transfers. 

Goucher is hopeless.....Sorry, just hopeless. They have not been competitve in league play yet. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on December 15, 2009, 10:28:42 PM
"tpm4286 - took you awhile to post, didn't it! For starters, I wouldn't say Marymount is mediocre at best. They do have plenty of talent, their defense is better then I have seen it in years, and their offense actually seemed to make sense for the first time in a long time. So, let's not take anything away from the Saints... they were better then I expected."

Well there 'd-mac' wonder why "their defense looked better and their offense actually seemed to make sense". They have a brand new COACH this year. Maybe the Gophers should try the same because we know that the talent is there, it just has to be channeled correctly with NEW energy, ideas, tactics, motivation etc. Ya feel me  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 12:00:02 AM
Lets not get too carried away with the "talent" for the gophers.  I am not sure they would beat the undefeated jv team at Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2009, 12:45:52 AM
Ahh, so I take it nobody has ever transferred from Susquehanna?  That's interesting.

Obviously, Catholic's not "young" for the 5th consecutive year.  They weren't young 3 years ago when they won the CAC.  They were young the last 2 years.  They lost a couple of kids along the way that would have helped, sure, but that's what happens when you have a $30k college and a recession hits.  Nevertheless, all I said is that they needed time to mesh, and that's happening.  They graduated their starting point guard and their 2 guard last year after all.

D-Mac--I hate to say it, and I would refrain in most circumstances--and frankly I understand why you can't really say it--but Trevino has to go.  At a certain point, its up to the coach to change all of what you describe around the team.  Ultimately, the coach is the one bringing in the kids that aren't playing with pride, and the coaching staff has to find a way to get those kids to play with pride.  I've been watching Goucher for quite a few years now as you know and its been steadily downhill every since the mid-90s.  At some point you have to make a change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
susiddad -- I see you have returned to grind the same axes as last year.

Your act is tired, and this is your official warning. Continuing to grind your axe will result in your removal from the site of competition, so to speak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 16, 2009, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 12:00:02 AM
Lets not get too carried away with the "talent" for the gophers.  I am not sure they would beat the undefeated jv team at Susquehanna.

Seriously, dude, stop it. You're embarrassing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
Wasn't trying to be that harsh. I was unaware the posting policy was that of North Korea's.  I will leave CUA alone (until we play them) and Goucher as well.   Sticking to my observations about the SU team and their opponents on games i see going forward.  

Happy Holidays to the whole league and more importantly, the posters who make it even more enjoyable.

Thanks for the fair warning.  Go Crusaders!4 ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 09:42:33 AM
On a more serious note, I think SU has a real shot this year (again) with a nice mix of young talent and veterans who have been there. 

Keeping on the positive tip, I think USMMA will be very very hard to beat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
Sticking to my observations about the SU team and their opponents on games i see going forward.  

What a concept!

Check out the Terms of Service if you're confused, however. That's the thing you were told to review when you registered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
This just in................Scranton just committed another turnover........................
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
Back to back titles at the bottom of your posts NEPA...

How bout a vote of confidence for the Royals.  All they do is win conference championships...

Not enough has been made of this in my opinion.  Scranton has done an amazing job over the past few years.

Despite my negativity towards other programs (deserved in my opinion), the Royals receive the positives when deserved.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
Bringing some life to the board, venom towards Catholic and praise for the Royals...you're okay susiddad.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
G-d forbid we are all not positive about everything like Tiger Woods.  At least it prepares us for the day when the Landmark scandal erupts.  Otherwise, we could be like Tiger. 

Can we get an all-time All Landmark team discussion going.

pg arnold
sg robinson
sf banshof
pf patch
c bicknell




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2009, 03:42:32 PM
susiddad - WAY too early to talk about All-Landmark... there have only been ten or less games... there isn't enough to compare, especially since there has been ONE conference game!!! I am sure there will be more to discuss and more info to digest come mid-January.

As for Goucher... I am not that jaded when it comes to the team, but they do have some talent in their Freshmens and Sophomores. Trae Lindsey is going to be a tough post player to stop in the future (and maybe later this season), especially if he can add just a little bit more muscle (he isn't small, just needs a bit more tone); it has been a long time since I have seen a player at Goucher who could dunk with very little effort.
Kyle Gladden seems to have solved his off-court problems and come back to resurrect a game that showed good signs two years ago.
Dorian Green is going to be a very good point guard and solid defender. He is small, but very strong and knows how to slash to the rim and harrass on defense (sometimes it seems he is the only one playing defense) - good to see.
Shane Yambor has shown signs of being able to take over games inside... couple him with Gladden and/or Lindsey and you could have a dangerous front court for the next few seasons.
And Steve Musenga certainly has the same abilities as Yambor.

The problem... playing time is inconsistent so I can't get a read on a "bad" game or just not time to figure it out.

Again... not this year... but in years down the road this could be a very good team if they can keep the unit together and they figure out how to play with one another... time will tell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 04:12:32 PM
I hear you D-Mac...

I was talking all time all landmark team btw.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
Sorry susiddad - apparently my sinus cold is keeping me from reading or typing well (another forum for that comment).... good question, then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 16, 2009, 05:42:05 PM
Hey sussiddad - put that pro-SU energy to good use and go vote for Steve Briggs a few times. Tell your friends. http://www.coachoftheyear.com/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 06:55:51 PM
SU football had an amazing year.  Briggs brings it everyday.  The results speak for themselves.

My energy lies with hoops though. 

Looking forward to Puerto Rico! And a few more wins.  Anyone know who has the best overall record in Landmark play in and out fo conference since inception?

Everyone in the league should be over .500 if the conference wants respect and national attention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 16, 2009, 09:39:27 PM
2 year totals
Team       Conf Season                                   Full Season
                 W            L                W%        W              L               W%
SU   21   7   0.75   34   19   0.635
Moravian   14   14   0.5   28   24   0.5335
Scranton   20   8   0.7145   36   17   0.6855
Juniata   14   14   0.5   24   29   0.4435
Merch M   17   11   0.607   27   25   0.518
Drew   6   22   0.2145   11   29   0.22
Catholic   12   16   0.4285   28   25   0.5215
Goucher   8   20   0.286   12   36   0.2505

I echo Matts thoughts on Goucher situation

Grove-never got a chance to say it, but i was a lil skeptical of SU's chances this season when Ferko left. . . luckily for u Frank made a great hire and brought in my boy TJ Jordan to continue my ties to the SU coaching staff
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 16, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Ferko is a legend on the SU campus.  An absolute legend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 17, 2009, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: BCannon on December 16, 2009, 09:39:27 PM

Grove-never got a chance to say it, but i was a lil skeptical of SU's chances this season when Ferko left. . . luckily for u Frank made a great hire and brought in my boy TJ Jordan to continue my ties to the SU coaching staff

What is this, six degrees of Brian Cannon??  ;)

We were all a little worried when Matt Blue left... er, yeah, I mean when Ferko left. We would never have gotten anywhere in the past two seasons without him, no sir.

(just teasing, Ferk, if you read this...)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 17, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
great thread....i will try and discuss ferko more in the future to keep everyone entertained and generate more thoughts on the landmark....excuse my while i take a nap....

cannon was a big time player.  ferko a role player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 17, 2009, 02:49:34 PM
haha long live ferko.  but from what i have heard, he is doing big things up at wells.   

susid---after only two years of landmark play, it may be a bit premature to make an all-time list.  however, if there was a 2-year anniv. team, i couldnt argue with the one you have put together.  maybe the PG position could have some debate.  majors has a competitive resume, as does samuel from usmma.  i only dispute this because i remember watching some games where a very young majors brought it to arnold---i.e. 3 years ago, scranton xmas tourney i believe it was.  glad i chose that game to attend, that may have been the first, and perhaps only time SU will beat scranton up there!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 17, 2009, 03:07:32 PM
Looking back at the stats of those games, it looks like your right hoop it.  Majors had a bunch of steals and clearly outplayed him in the stats category. 

Another key part of Majors is when he arrived, the team starting winning.  Before that SU was 2-23 and an absolute joke.  Since, they have 3 winning seasons and are off to a good start again. 

USMMA coach does not seem easy to play for and Samuel has to run the show for his team.  Got to take my hat off to Sams as well.  Bottom line is all three can bring it and win games.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 17, 2009, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: susiddad on December 17, 2009, 03:07:32 PM

Another key part of Majors is when he arrived, the team starting winning.  Before that SU was 2-23 and an absolute joke.  Since, they have 3 winning seasons and are off to a good start again. 

No man... haven't you been listening? It was all Ferko.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 17, 2009, 05:27:09 PM
How did Ferko end up at SU?  Wierd that a rival right out of school after knocking out SU the year before in the playoffs gets a job on staff.  I don't get it?  Could you imagine if Greg Paulus was a coach at UNC?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 17, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
I think susidad was pretty spot on with his team...earley and miller from moravian would be on my short list of others for consideration...i kno the SU crowd would object vehemently, but Miller would certainly have a case..although he prob wasn't quite the defender Jrob was.

With all due respect to Majors if you were gonna pool a team together from all the Landmark schools and take the best from the past 2 yrs Randy Arnold is your PG..he was by far one of the toughest individuals  I have ever played against and really sacrificed himself (body and stats wise) for the team his Sr yr... he was also what made them go and deserves a TON of credit for their run in 08 to end the season.

Matt-I kno I had been the one to ask about JB..don't kno if you had a chance to see it, but i watched the Goucher game online while i listented to the JC SU game on the radio and JB looked quite alright. I was a little to quick to judge.

Unreal how unappreciated Ferk was at SU.... ferko's last game against the maroon and orange jc wins by 28 and ends SU's season for the 2nd yr in a row..ferko then  arrives in selingsgrove the next yr without much fanfare and SU wins their first playoff game in yrs and advances to the ship to lose a tough one to Scranton (losing tough championship games is his speciality) ... coincidence? i think not
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 18, 2009, 09:54:19 AM


Moravian's players were not that good, sorry Cannon.  I would also say that the while we loved Cannon as a player, we have him ranked as the 4th or 5th player well behind Robinson, Bicknell, and Arnold.  :P

We also believe that as a poster on this we continue to get a bad rap for simply telling the truth. 

I would have to disagree re: ferko, however, I would give Ferko his due on the court, but nowhere near an all-time all conference team.  I wonder if Ferko taught SU how to win at Juniata?  Ferko is now working for the Buffalo Bills continuing to ruin programs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kdb0031 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell

Coach-  would have to be Danzig
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 18, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
Merch Marine had a real nice win vs. Cabrini on the 15th ... Samuels had a huge game ... if they continue to progress as some others have eluded to on the board they are gonna be a very tough team to beat because of the balance they have...reminds me a lot of the scranton teams the past 2 yr's without as much size/athleticism

and just to be clear my comments on ferko are meant as a joke
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: kdb0031 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell

Coach-  would have to be Danzig



How about Paul Biagioli as a sixth man?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 21, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
Not to big on Biagioli.  Life should've been easier for him with Bicknasty in the middle, but it wasn't.  Remember him being too inconsistent and not everyday baller, similar to Patch, Cuffe and Robinson, Bicknell, Banzugh, and Arnold. 

The numbers Spenser is putting up are impressive too, however, I am not sure he is not at that level of the others above. 

As far as coach of the league so far, I might be in my own world here, but I am leaning towards USMMA coach.  Here's why:  The guys they have from day 1 are not impressive.  All of a sudden, they develop into legitimate players and on a night to night basis, that team brings it every night.  They have a style and you know what you are getting.  I think they win with the least amount of talent.  Curious to hear what the bball people here in the room have to say and not the jokers who criticize simple harsh realities. :P

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 21, 2009, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: kdb0031 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Here is my all time Landmark team

1- Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Banzhof
4- Cannon/Cuff --not sure, was never really impressed by Patch
5- Bicknell




at the 4 position, i feel you have to factor in the all-around game and i think your choice will be different...perhaps besides bicknell, no one else has averaged a double-double for an entire season besides patch.  being an su fan i know for fact cuff didnt, and i dont believe cannon did.   scoring wise i dont think they were much more, if at all, than patch's 18 ppg last year.   also it troubles me that banzhaf is such a shoe-in for you while frankly, to my belief and as i witnessed in games i've seen, all he does is sit on the low post and finish put backs off others' misses.   i would have no trouble placing patch and cannon at the forward positions, for they had more well-rounded games on more successful and more well-balanced teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 21, 2009, 11:23:06 PM
and ps.... im sure---from the state the wells program is in currently and in the recent past   (they not long ago were all womens)  a conference-runner up 'ferko special' will not be frowned upon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 21, 2009, 11:30:26 PM
and pps....i have no trouble with SUsid's praise on the MMA program.  i agree 100% with those statements.   but i also feel it partly has to do with the discipline and regiment they, as being military, are programmed with.  tough and 100% effort is all that they know and are accustomed with.

and for these reasons...with their core back and everyone elses core's on to post-grad activities...you heard it first, USMMA are 2010 landmark champs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
   Congrats to the Royals' Zach Ashworth upon being named 1 of 72(across all 3 Divisions, 9 in D3) finalists for the Hall of Fame Bob Cousy award for point guards. And, I consider him to be even better at the 2- guard position.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 09:20:44 AM
Ashworth - well done.  Anytime a landmark player gets national recognition, got to love it.

Now here is why my karma is negative 3000.

Ashworth is a shooting guard. not a point guard.  today, Majors is 10 times the POINT GUARD Ashworth is, not player but point guard.

Regardless, hats off.  Good luck on advancing. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kdb0031 on December 22, 2009, 11:20:45 AM
hoopit123, You are right about banzhof.  His game was never all that impressive to me. I guess i just figured he was a shoe-in because of his numbers. So here is my updated list:

1-Arnold
2- Robinson
3- Patch
4- Cannon/Cuff
5-Bicknell



I guess it is easy to tell from the above list that I'm an SU fan, but Im always curious to see what SU guys are doing after they graduate.  What are Robinson, Cuff, Patch etc. up to now??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 12:33:50 PM
Banshift has been carrying the program for years.  Yes, the CUA guys are fast as lightning to let us know everytime the kid does something, but he still he is a major impact player.  At the end of the day, give the man his due as arrogant as some might see the CUA program.
;D 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 22, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
you just cant sell me on banzhaf.  sure, he can score the basketball, but aside from that?  he puts up big scoring numbers at times, and it earns him recognition.  but i feel most of that comes from those who just read whats on paper and not in person.   i am not taking anything away from him, he does some pretty impressive things, but there is a difference between being a great scorer and a great basketball player.  and the latter i feel is what he is not.  unless things are different this year as they have yet to come to selinsgrove, the entire team revolves around feeding him the ball in the post.  he catches in the post, turns and scores.   while this is good for a big goofy center type, banzhaf is not that.  as a small forward, he needs to be more versatile...coming off screens, setting screens for others, making cuts through the lane.  while he gets away with how he plays against most teams, he runs into great problems against a player considerably taller than him.  case in point: paul hawk.   to my understanding, he was a non-factor against scranton last year, for as we probably all have witnessed, hawk with his hands straight up in the paint looks like telephone pole placed there.   and the funny part is, they were still close games!! banzhaf shut down allowed/forced the other players on the team to step up and show their stuff and play their own game.  therefore, my question: is centering your entire team around one focal point worth it?  its tougher to beat 5 than 1.

in summary, there is no doubt that banzhaf is a great scorer and a good all-around player, but there are certainly parts of his game that, i feel, are lacking for a player receiving all-american attention. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
Older guys owned Baznoff from Scranton as a fresh and soph.  Let's see what happens this year.  I have a feeling he is better suited for scranton as a jr thewn against experienced seniors.

More importantly, pr...baby.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
Older guys owned Baznoff from Scranton as a fresh and soph.  Let's see what happens this year.  I have a feeling he is better suited for scranton as a jr thewn against experienced seniors.

More importantly, pr...baby.


Okay, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but can you spell Banzhaf's name correctly? (Forgive me if it is your attempt at humor, if so it is mildly amusing) Every post you have a new spelling. I also need a translator for this post, I have no idea what you are trying to say....which is pretty bad when  we a conference of like minded institutions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 03:54:27 PM
Clarification purposes: 

Banzhiff had difficulty against Scranton's veteran frontcourt.  I am going to say he will have a much easier time this year and next know that he is a junior.  You can't expect a freshman big man to take over like he normally did against veteran big guys that were all conference.

Any update on the CUA players that transferred out.  Are they playing anywhere?

I would be surprised if he didnt win player of the year this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2009, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 21, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
   Congrats to the Royals' Zach Ashworth upon being named 1 of 72(across all 3 Divisions, 9 in D3) finalists for the Hall of Fame Bob Cousy award for point guards. And, I consider him to be even better at the 2- guard position.

Ronk,


How is the winner of the Cousy Award determined?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
I find it hard to believe majors isnt a top 75 pg in the d3 nation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2009, 05:10:22 PM
susiddad,
  It's 9 players in d3; the 72 is across all 3 divisions - 63 are from D1 & D2.

NEPA,
from Kevin Southard's announcement:

  The 72 finalists will be narrowed down to 20 by January 1, 10 by February 1 and five by March 1.  The eventual winner of the 2010 Bob Cousy Award will be honored at the Hall of Fame's Class Announcement in Indianapolis as part of NCAA Final Four weekend on Monday, April 5.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 22, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
Nice recognition for Ashworth...i kno it would be a simple google search problly to find but is there a link to a site where we can see the other candidates...i remember Arnold was also a Cousy Finalist.

I think Merch Marine at this pt would be a good choice for league favorite...think I saw Scanton lost two in a row going into break.. Susqu played St Mary's very tough and held in my opinion one of if not the best backcourt in the mid atlantic in check..JC seems to like playing home games and loathe playing away

As for MM Coach...I think you make a good case for him, however IMO I think they are the most talented/deep team in the league this yr. They lack a "Star" perhaps such as Banzhaf Ashworth Spencer, but they have a number of guys who can have a big game any given night...Samuels was my preseason pick for POY last yr, I think if MM wins the league he will have a huge hand in them doing so and perhaps my pick will come a yr later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 22, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
As for JB I don't understand the criticism...If he is scoring with his back to the basket why would he stop? Guy just goes with what works... His shooting percentages FG FT and 3PT reflect a well rounded offensive game to me..

In 4 career games as a Freshman and Sophomore vs Susqu U JB avgs 20 ppg and 8.75 rebs ... pretty good for a guy you all don't find to be that impressive
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 22, 2009, 11:36:20 PM
TO be clear.  Despite my jokes and so forth, I named him a top 5 player in landmark history.  the others have all finished their senior seasons.  bansoft is still a junior.

I am puzzled at SU this season.  There is a different starting lineup every night.  Has to be puzzling as far as roles go for the players.  Which tells me that the coach is probably twice as puzzled at this.

This should be a veteran team, but a lot of the upperclassmen that played last year must be doing something wrong as they are losing minutes to freshman.  Have to at least pretend to trust someone other than Majors and Spenser.  Must be Ferko setting the lineup from aways away.

Also, SU lost a couple of players from last year?  Where is Cosgrove and Kerwin?  Hard to develop chemistry with freshman and transfers.

::)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 22, 2009, 11:56:30 PM
This board does get amusing at times...I swear, some of you just hold it against Jason that I pushed him for POY...as if he had anything to do with that!

Susdad--I honestly don't even know who you keep talking about?  Nobody of any significance transferred from CUA last year.  A couple of years ago they lost a few guys, none of which were for academic or basketball reasons.  Suffice to say there was a recession and I know that in 2 of those cases, the guys ended up at less expensive institutions which was not an accident.  I think only one of those guys is still playing and has been decently effective, but not the player I thought he'd be, most likely because he couldn't ever get himself in good enough condition.  

Anyway, I'm not sure I understand the arguments that Jason's not a dominant player--one of which is apparently that the offense ran around him last year, which is supposedly a negative--completely nonsensical because it meant that he was constantly facing double and even triple teams.

In any case, an overlooked part of Jason's game is that he can shoot.  If you don't respect him on the perimeter, he can bury you--he shot 45% from 3 last year (65 attempts).  He's an excellent free throw shooter (no small thing for a guy that gets fouled so much) and a good rebounder, even over taller guys.  He's a dominant player, period.

Hoopit, in Jason's trip to Selinsgrove last year, he put up 23 points and 7 boards.  What more do you want?  Keep in mind, a) he's been an underclassman, and b) he's been the main scoring option for a team that didn't have a lot of them.

This year, Catholic's developing some more threats.  As I said, Jason's numbers might end up dipping a little bit as others get more involved, but there's not a coach in division 3 that wouldn't saliviate over him.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 23, 2009, 02:41:23 AM
no matt, i dont believe it has anything to do with you last year.   how many people country wide score 18-20 ppg?? a lot. there needs to be more to make a player above the rest.  also, you mentioned something about JB giving it to banzhaf...case in point! SU didnt have a true big center.   my point was JB vs. scranton.   and you dont seem to have a counter against that.  and to further your OWN point, watching the game against SU i noticed he just sat on the block and cleaned up scraps from other players, including owning our center on the boards.   looking at numbers its easy to understand why.  our center did not avg. many rebs/game, while patch our 4-man did.  this is not at all the point i was intending to prove...it appears you have sidestepped the entire argument...it had nothing to do with SU.  it has more to do with weapons, nationwide, that the landmark lacks... and therefore nationwide recognition is hard to fathom.

until i am convinced at what more JB does to better his TEAM, i will not be cave.    i truly believe cua has a NUMBER of good players, which could be better utilized and could further their program if they were allowed to play to their potential and not have just one objective in mind.  if they are so satisfied with the status quo of mediocre seasons, then perhaps they should continue.   but i doubt that is the case.   you say cua has opened up their options this year, truly for cua sake, i hope so!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 23, 2009, 02:45:25 AM
and BC, obviously, there are more teams in the landmark than SU....if Su has not sufficiently stopped him witht he weapons that are necessary, apparently others team have (scranton).  again, the fact was not him vs. SU, its JB vs. the general public, and especially those teams that expose his weakness.   which i have yet to hear a counter for.    he plays as a center, and thats it, and he is not a center.   i dont know how else to explain!   as a small forward, he could be even MORE dangerous if he expanded his horizons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 23, 2009, 02:56:12 AM
OH, also....you mention his offensive numbers.  what about defense? i have yet to be sold on his offense, also.  it appears they are a much more 'team' oriented defensive team that 'team' oriented offensive team!   

i mean i dont mean to be such a critic, but in previous conversation and discussions sake, i feel these are valid points!

and to not dwell, i am now moving on from this point, i honestly feel usmma will not be stopped in the landmark this year, unfortunately.   they have taken their dose in the playoffs in the past and are now ready.   with the core they have back, its hard to not favor them.   they have everything from PG to C returning, and all solid, quality players.  tom izzo will give banzhaf a run for POY, it will come down to which team does better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 23, 2009, 09:21:38 AM
The kid is a player.  No one can argue you that.  CUA, where did the other guys go?  I'd love to check up on them.  To be clear, again JB is the best player in the league this year and most likely next IMO. 

I think if any team in the league took 5 fr. soph. played them 3 years in a row and said we will just improve every year with them they could.  I would imagine it is not an easy thing to do.  It seems at SU they play more as freshman and sophs then they do as juniors and seniors.

any insight on that?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 23, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 22, 2009, 05:10:22 PM
susiddad,
 It's 9 players in d3; the 72 is across all 3 divisions - 63 are from D1 & D2.

NEPA,
from Kevin Southard's announcement:

 The 72 finalists will be narrowed down to 20 by January 1, 10 by February 1 and five by March 1.  The eventual winner of the 2010 Bob Cousy Award will be honored at the Hall of Fame's Class Announcement in Indianapolis as part of NCAA Final Four weekend on Monday, April 5.



Thanks Ronk. I was looking at the website and it appeared that they do have public voting at some point, which prompted my question. A great accomplishment for Ashworth!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 23, 2009, 09:57:34 AM
The unofficial d3 hoops semi-preseason tiered landmark poll:

tier A: - potential league champs with a chance to win a tourney game

1. USMMMA
2. Catholic
3. Susquehanna

tier B: over .500 record, but unlikely champ

4. Scranton
5. Juniata

tier c  - .500 record end of season range out of conference or in conference.

- blank

tier d - losing conference record and losing out of conference record.

6. Drew
7. Moravian
8. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 23, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
In response to Nepa Fans comment that "we are a conference of like minded institutions", i still say diversity is   what keeps things interesting.  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!  You all do seem to be enjoying your new conference, especially conversing with the old MAC Commonwealth teams.  i will say both the Freedom & Commonwealth sites have been rather sparse since your departure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 23, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
hoopit...to answer your question (how many people in the country score 18-20 ppg?), Jason was 35th in the nation in scoring last year, 47th in field goal percentage. 

I think your argument boils down to the fact that every single aspect of his game is not elite, and he had a bad game against Scranton in the playoffs.  I can't argue with either of those contentions, though I will leave you with a thought--generally speaking, basketball players that are plus in every aspect of the game aren't playing division 3 hoops.  (I don't think Jason's a poor defender, but yeah, he's average).  As far as his performances against Scranton, he's had one very good game against them, 1 very bad game, and 3 so-so games (and in those so-so games, he was still in double figures). 

Also, as long as Jason's field goal percentage and free throw percentage are high, what exactly was the problem with his being the primary scoring option?  Yeah, a lot of the offense ran through him, but he was effective and the team won 18 games, so...?

Sus, the only guy that I think is still playing is at Salisbury.  You'll figure out who if you look at their roster.  He's doing fairly well, but not spectactular---when I first saw him as a freshman, I though he had a chance to dominate but he just can't stay on the floor long enough.  Sure, I'd like to still have him, but...btw former CUA pg Mike Wasilenko is down there as an assistant.  Great kid.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 23, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
matt, it just comes down to how i personally like to see the game played, thats all.  we shall agree to disagree.

what about the Jones kid that is playing well at juniata...isnt he a former cua product moved back closer to home?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 23, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
I think the SU vs. CUA game this year should be played in Jerry Jones arena. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 23, 2009, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on December 23, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
matt, it just comes down to how i personally like to see the game played, thats all.  we shall agree to disagree.

what about the Jones kid that is playing well at juniata...isnt he a former cua product moved back closer to home?

Yup--frankly I had forgotten about him.  He didn't do much at CUA.  Looks like a productive bench player for Juniata--and you are right, he did want to move back home.  Good for him.

Sure, if its just a matter of style, then you are certainly entitled to your opinion on Banzhaf.  But I'll tell you--he's been the best underclassman I've ever seen at Catholic, and that's saying something because I started following them closely right at the start of the run of great teams.  In fact, when all is said and done, he's got a shot at becoming the 3rd highest scorer in CUA history--and this program has been around a long time.

Anyway, looking forward to some real games again.  Next up for Catholic is Stevenson on the 30th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 23, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: kate on December 23, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
In response to Nepa Fans comment that "we are a conference of like minded institutions", i still say diversity is   what keeps things interesting.  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!  You all do seem to be enjoying your new conference, especially conversing with the old MAC Commonwealth teams.  i will say both the Freedom & Commonwealth sites have been rather sparse since your departure.


Kate,


That was written tongue (or fingers?) in cheek. I would have loved to have seen Scranton play Kings or Wilkes this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 23, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
Your all welcome for making this board enjoyable part of our day.  I forbid "thegrove" to post anything else without my permission so as i do not fall asleep reading it.

Everyone else, Happy Holidays.  Im done for a couple of days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 24, 2009, 03:43:01 AM
Matt, have you forgotten Pat Maloney, Will Morley, and Matt Hilleary?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 24, 2009, 09:24:50 AM
Thanks for the reply, Nepafan.  Maybe after the "newness" excitement of the Landmark lessens, economics will kick in & all the "old" D3 opponents will look very good again.  Still miss you all, on the Women's board, as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 24, 2009, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: cugrad on December 24, 2009, 03:43:01 AM
Matt, have you forgotten Pat Maloney, Will Morley, and Matt Hilleary?

Nope.  All of them were great players.  And you might have an argument on Maloney.  But none of them were as developed as Jason was as underclassmen (and that's what I said--underclassmen).  

As a freshman, for instance, Matt averaged 7.5 ppg as a bench player, 12.5 as sophomore (averaging 20 minutes a game.)  Rebounding numbers were similar to Jason's, but Jason scored significantly more points for a higher percentage.  

As a freshman, Morley averaged 10 ppg, as sophomore, 12.  

And, I would argue that Jason had a much tougher job because Matt and Will were more like the 3rd/4th scoring options when they were in the game, whereas last year everybody on the court knew the ball was going to Jason and he dominated anyway.

As juniors and seniors, all three of those guys were awesome.  We'll see how Jason does.  

I think a lot of the old CUA/Lonergan crew that was around the team a lot back then and don't follow it as closely hold those guys up as the Holy Grail--and they should because they won a championship.   They're not as familiar with Jason and they don't follow the team as closely anymore, so they find it hard to believe that Catholic has another player at that level--or, dare I say it--better.  But that's the truth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: watcher on December 24, 2009, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: BCannon on December 22, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
Nice recognition for Ashworth...i kno it would be a simple google search problly to find but is there a link to a site where we can see the other candidates...i remember Arnold was also a Cousy Finalist.

I think Merch Marine at this pt would be a good choice for league favorite...think I saw Scanton lost two in a row going into break.. Susqu played St Mary's very tough and held in my opinion one of if not the best backcourt in the mid atlantic in check..JC seems to like playing home games and loathe playing away

As for MM Coach...I think you make a good case for him, however IMO I think they are the most talented/deep team in the league this yr. They lack a "Star" perhaps such as Banzhaf Ashworth Spencer, but they have a number of guys who can have a big game any given night...Samuels was my preseason pick for POY last yr, I think if MM wins the league he will have a huge hand in them doing so and perhaps my pick will come a yr later.
From what I heard St Mary's guards gave susquenna trouble especially the point guard they were up 20 untill they coach sat both of them for majority of the 2nd half with foul trouble and allowed susquenna back into the game
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 26, 2009, 12:21:22 PM
watcher-judging by your email address something tells me you are partial towards the PG, but I will take your word for it. Judging by the boxscore/writeup Alex still had a real good game, but I saw him and Cammontae(sp) vs. McDaniel and Hood where they both dominated the game and it just doesn't appear that this was that kind of game for either of them.

SU fresh Pannell had 29 and 12 in the game against the host of the tourney...if/when this team gets everyone clicking at the same time they are gonna be REALLY tough to beat
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 29, 2009, 09:44:15 AM
I'd like to see a starting lineup that stays the same for conference play.  After this tournament, can we get stability and roles outside of SS and BM?

I'll roll with HP too, but we see a new freshman showcasing his skills every week.  It should be 7 maybe 8 guys going to battle.  Pick them and let's do it. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 29, 2009, 06:07:24 PM
i bet figuring out the 'right' lineup is picking away at marcinek.   and i bet he is jsut as puzzled as all of us are.  someone new steps up and performs each game...how can you predict who it will be before each game?!  augustus started hot, now numbers are dropping quickly. mckain was high scorer a few games, now not even seeing time?  further, we sam this williamson kid start a few games, and now that is history.  then pannell...where was he between SU home tourney and PR trip?  non existent.  perhaps hes a tournament player...lets get him into ncaa's!!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 29, 2009, 06:11:22 PM
VERY curious to see which team with which group of players shows up this weekend vs. F&M...  another top25 win will do wonders for this young SU team heading into landmark play.  last year SU lost at the buzzer to FandM in this same tourney last year(check it on youtube, still interesting to watch from time to time), so hopefully they give them a test again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 29, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
Last years game was amazing vs. F and M.  Still upset over it.  The freshman class is clearly strong to very strong.  Hoopit, great mention of Mckain.  He doesn't see the court anymore.

Last few years we have been good to very good.  I think that is the difference between youth and experience.  It would be nice to see this group make the jump, but I don't see how.  The confidence swings must be a lot for these veterans and freshmans.

What is the harm in picking 8 guys and just going with it?  Instead of wheeling and dealing with 14?

Do any other teams do this?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2009, 12:20:34 PM
Scranton Royals New Year's Resolutions


1) Turn the ball over less than 20 times a game.

2) Limit Offensive Rebounds and 2nd chance opportunities.

3) Recruit, Recruit, Recruit!



Happy New Year All!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 30, 2009, 01:31:36 PM
Quote from: susiddad on December 29, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
Last years game was amazing vs. F and M.  Still upset over it.  The freshman class is clearly strong to very strong.  Hoopit, great mention of Mckain.  He doesn't see the court anymore.

Last few years we have been good to very good.  I think that is the difference between youth and experience.  It would be nice to see this group make the jump, but I don't see how.  The confidence swings must be a lot for these veterans and freshmans.

What is the harm in picking 8 guys and just going with it?  Instead of wheeling and dealing with 14?

Do any other teams do this?


I haven't been following Sus at all so I don't know what they are doing, but I imagine they are probably doing what a lot of teams do--seeing exactly what they have during the non-league part of the schedule, and then they'll probably settle on a rotation for their league games.  Unless you think you've got a great chance at a Pool C bid, which I would imagine that none of the Landmark teams do unless somebody gets really hot and then loses in the championship game, then really all you are doing is getting ready for league play when the games really count. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on December 30, 2009, 02:30:37 PM
Mr. Letourneau,

I agree to a degree.  Seems like 10 starters in 10 games is a bit high though.  All I want to see is it stabilitzed for conference play.  We have seen some of these teams get the pool c bids before so i wouldnt be surprised if a 19-6 tyoe team can get one.  And last years conference season was strong enough to earn a pool c bid if it was not for weak showings vs. Miseriblecordia and Bidgewater we would have been 20-6 which might have been good enough.....so im not so sure.  And don't minimize this uncertainty when we go to Juniata and start 2 freshman and lose to the Brian Cannon and Bert Ferkoless Juniata Eagles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 30, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
I dont think the Landmark qualifies pool c anymore
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2009, 07:56:18 PM
Everyone qualifies for Pool C, it's the at-large bids. It's Pool B in which the Landmark no longer falls.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on December 30, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
sus...imagine being in marcinek's shoes, making a gameplan.  diff ppl start each game because of the inconsistency of just about everybody except SS and BM.  he is likely just looking at the latest game, and starting the best 5 from that game.   but then those who start this game end up doing nothing, and some other guys play well, so the next game they start.   i guarantee marcinek is just as puzzled and longing to have a set rotation as we are hoping so occurs.   going into each game with question marks and not knowing what to except must be tough....but so happens when you have such a young team.  there likely wont be a set in stone starting 5 until next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 30, 2009, 09:21:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2009, 07:56:18 PM
Everyone qualifies for Pool C, it's the at-large bids. It's Pool B in which the Landmark no longer falls.

ahhh ty sorry bout that mix up
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 30, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
C is at-large, B is for teams that don't have a shot at an AQ (Pool A). 

I was a bit surprised that Landmark got 2 teams in last year.  Regardless, my comment was more a reflection of how the season has panned out so far.   To date, Merchant Marine has probably been most impressive--both of their losses are to very good teams.  Scranton's losses are to pretty good teams, too, but they haven't really beaten anybody.   

Catholic's got the DeSales win, and their loss to York in OT doesn't look so bad now.  The loss I was worried about was to Washington and Lee, but it remains to be seen how bad that one was--W&L has played pretty well so far.  Obviously they got blown out by Wittenberg, which is a very good team, but...that alone shouldn't kill their chances.  Beyond that, is probably a stretch for anyone else to be thinking about Pool C.  But as you say, its early. 

Anyway, CUA beat Stevenson tonight 91-70.  The only senior, Matt Fazzini, had 22, and Banzhaf had 18.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 02, 2010, 04:59:41 PM
At their best, SU CUA, and Scranton would beat usmma at their best.  Consistency counts though.  I'm not sure who the starting 5 is gonna be next season either.   I think it will be even more confusing.  It can't be easy, however I would pick a direction and stick with it.  Either the young boys grow up quick and are ready down the line or the jr's and sr's take a little more ownership.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 02, 2010, 08:27:50 PM
Shout out to my boy Jonathan Garritt, Gouchers Saving Grace, chillin in Tampa with the elite of the MLB.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2010, 08:40:15 PM
Hunter running away from the Royals in the second half...where is Luke Hawk?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 03, 2010, 12:38:15 AM
obviously a tough place to win @ f & m.  Again, I am perplexed at the lineup.  What is the norm here?  F & M has started 5 players all year with the exception of one game that Tolliver missed.  We have started almost everyone on the team. 

I know today isn't the season, but it hard to imagine freshman shooting the 30 times and winning that game.  Good effort though.  Hoopit?  Grove?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2010, 12:43:28 PM
Luke Hawk will not be seen or heard from in a Royals uniform for at least 3 weeks...possible never again.
Once again, Scranton will be playing for 3rd. place in their own tourney. This team has some serious issues & they are at a crossroad as to whether or not they pull together & become competitive & play with purpose & some passion or they dial it in & call it a year.
This form of Royal basketball is inexcusable & its been getting worse instead of better. They very well could lose the consolation game this afternoon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 03, 2010, 12:43:28 PM
Luke Hawk will not be seen or heard from in a Royals uniform for at least 3 weeks...possible never again.
Once again, Scranton will be playing for 3rd. place in their own tourney. This team has some serious issues & they are at a crossroad as to whether or not they pull together & become competitive & play with purpose & some passion or they dial it in & call it a year.
This form of Royal basketball is inexcusable & its been getting worse instead of better. They very well could lose the consolation game this afternoon.


Saratoga, can you let us know the details regarding Luke Hawk?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
Saratoga,


Thanks for the PM!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
No problem. Let's see what happens today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 03, 2010, 02:34:21 PM
susid

its just simply, as it has been all season, inconsistency.  there have been few if any games where multiple players have had big nights.  last nite was wilson, today? we will see.  but most likely it will be someone else!  we can only hope 3 or 4 players have big nights!!

but all in all, for such a young team against a final four experienced team, SU held their own pretty well.   the game never got out of hand, was always right there for SU to make a run and the lead.  unfortunately that run didnt materialize and SU ran out of time. 

as ive mentioned before, playing all of these very good teams will truly help SU in the long run come conference play.  they know they can hang with, and beat (stockton), very good teams.  hopefully this confidence carries with them so starting next weekend, against lesser teams, they almost EXPECT to win and dont settle for less...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2010, 02:45:31 PM
F&M may very well be an experienced team, but because of foul trouble they had 3 freshmen on the court at one time for a long stretch of the game. 
Beckford(30 minutes)
Driver(12 minutes)
Henry(28 minutes)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 03, 2010, 02:52:54 PM
you see, thats the type of info the live stats does not reveal.  ;D

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 03, 2010, 07:47:14 PM
spenser spencer drops 37 points tonite against brooklyn.   good god!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
Spencer was hot.  Brooklyn put up little defense allowing Spencer to have numerous open threes.  He could have easily had more points if he hadn't given up some easy opportunities to allow his teammates to convert several easy shots.  One time on a breakaway he fed the ball to a teammate follow his play.  Spencer played a very unselfish game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
Not only that, but his name is Spencer Spenser!

If you're going to go that route with the name, why not just go all the way and spell the first name the same as the last?

Been wondering that for the last year.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2010, 09:50:33 AM
Congrats to Freshman Travis Farrell who was a bright spot in an otherwise gray weekend in Scranton.


26 points, 11 rebound, 7 assists in the consolation game and named to the all tourny team. A nice find for the Royals from a strong high school in Jersey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 10:32:37 AM
All this Freshman talk scares me.  I have a feeling this is the year of USMMA with all their veteran experience with ease.

Maybe a couple of landmark fr. and so. have been leaving early to go to the draft and that is why there is so much youth in this league.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 04, 2010, 11:15:49 AM
in one way or another, you're kinda right  (transfer, drop out, grades, etc...)

my biggest concern is that we may lose SS (ill stop trying to spell in correct order haha).  he has an offensive game that is far beyond landmark conf. basketball, IMHO.  i heard rumors about him getting looks after last season from the upper divisions, and if he continues this way, he will get offers this year.  it just appears to come so easy to him out there.  we will see!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 04, 2010, 11:57:30 AM
Spenser Spencer. S, then C. SC = South Carolina? I dunno, that's just what I use to remember it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
SS = Superb Scorer.

Has Bancroft ever gone for 37?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2010, 12:35:12 PM
By the way, there's a new post on the Daily Dose with some musings on the Landmark Conference.  Feel free to comment on that post there or here so it looks like someone actually read it. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 04, 2010, 12:35:12 PM
By the way, there's a new post on the Daily Dose with some musings on the Landmark Conference.  Feel free to comment on that post there or here so it looks like someone actually read it. :)


I see you picked Catholic to win the Conference. Care to explain why you see them rather than USMMA winning the title?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 04, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
a-ha! so i DID say it correctly.  stick to correcting others on banzhaf's spelling, matt! :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 04, 2010, 02:04:02 PM
and i'm sticking to my prediction that i had from the start and must disagree with the 'daily dose'.  experience, toughness, smothering defense, and superior guard play will carry usmma past cua and the others in the LM.  not to boot, max paul and heuber are very strong, big, and good forwards that can work together to contain banzhaf.  if they shut him down, force the game into a guard-focused battle, usmma will be victorious.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
you can't shut down blandstoff, you can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
NEPA:

I wish I had a great reason for picking CUA over the Mariners, but I don't.  The initial draft said, "I have no clue" (literally) but that seemed like a cop out.  I like the Cards win over DSU a little more than Merchant Marine's win over Cabrini if you look at the best win for each of them.  But I have no problem with Hoopit123's position or any case someone wants to make that Scranton will get well in conference play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2010, 10:04:29 PM
Gordon: my guess on the mens side goes MMA, Susquehanna, Catholic & if they are extremely lucky...Scranton. With essentially no inside game (all the 6'7" & 6'8" kids want to shoot the 3), even when they have a decided height advantage.  When you average more turnovers than assists, when you do not develop a rotation nor do you find the time to get players 8 through 13 any playing time, and when you call a timeout & nobody shows any interest in getting up...then you've got some problems. Scranton is so one dimensional (fire away from 20') that scouting reports & film exchange are unnecessary. What a novel idea to run a few high/low cuts with the size they have. Not that all of their tall kids can play with their back to the basket but mix it up now & then.
The Farrell kid has been well coached. He'll hit one from the outside then drive hard to the basket on his next touch then drive & dish then shoot the 3...rebounds & handles the ball well. They need about 5 more of him.
Word has it that Dwight Schrute has given up his courtside seats until this program gets turned around. Last seen exiting the Long Center Sat. night wearing a Lady Royal sweatshirt & muttering to himself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
Any D3 historians know the record for negative karma points?

I feel like the non-competitive teams in the leandmark of posters. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 12:06:04 AM
I don't think anybody opining here, including myself, can really make much of a prediction because we haven't seen the other teams yet and there hasn't been enough league play to compare results.

I think the argument for Catholic is that they went 18-10 last year, returned most players of significance, have the best player in the league and have some other scoring options that are developing nicely.  Lots of depth, and they can do different things offensively.  They can run you up and down the court and/or pound you inside.  Their defense has been been pretty consistent.  And they certainly don't have any of the problems saratoga is saying---this group seems to really want to win and the younger guys know that if they play well, they'll play so everybody is on their toes.

They've played a reasonably tough non-conference schedule (one more game against CMU), ended on a high note by winning their tournament (granted, not great opponents). 

But we'll see---not the kind of thing worth spending much time arguing about because we'll find out soon enough.

As far as Spenser Spencer--I dunno, I would think he'd need more consistent 3 point shooting to make it at a higher level as a 6'1, 170 guard.  At this level he's a scorer, but without a great long range shot, just physically that's a stretch.  I'm hoping to get to the game this weekend so I'll see him.  My son is really excited about going!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
Mr. Matt,

By your description of CUA and pounding you inside and running you out of the gym up and down the court, they sounded like the 84' Lakers. ;D

We can arrange a SS autograph session after the game for you and the family.  I'll let you know if we have anyone coming looking for a signed Benshoff throwback.  SS has bulked up to 205 this offseason working out with Ferko all summer. 

CUA is clearly top 3 team this year with SU and USMMA (tops). 

Since my absurd post on the status of the league top to bottom which I was heavily criticized for:

Moravian, Goucher, and Drew combined record:
wait for it....
wait for it....

2-11  with wins over marymount and misericordia.

;)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2010, 09:41:37 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 04, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
NEPA:

I wish I had a great reason for picking CUA over the Mariners, but I don't.  The initial draft said, "I have no clue" (literally) but that seemed like a cop out.  I like the Cards win over DSU a little more than Merchant Marine's win over Cabrini if you look at the best win for each of them.  But I have no problem with Hoopit123's position or any case someone wants to make that Scranton will get well in conference play.


Thanks for the follow up G-Man. I have no issues with that, I have just been hearing alot about the USMMA and their seniors. I have no delusions of Scranton winning the conference again, unless a College of Charleston transfer falls in their lap.


Luke Hawk is sitting due to academic issues. Dissapointing as he is extremly talented. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
Any D3 historians know the record for negative karma points?

I feel like the non-competitive teams in the leandmark of posters. ;)


You have a long way to go!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 04, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
Any D3 historians know the record for negative karma points?

I feel like the non-competitive teams in the leandmark of posters. ;)

You should venture out of this board sometime. You are not even close to the biggest negative numbers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 11:04:43 AM
If I keep winning and building this board up, maybe I'll venture into another one or two.  Let's keep this one going. 

It was too long ago we only had a SU poster lecturing me on telling the truth.   ;D

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!

It wasn't too long ago the dean of the boards was telling me to calm down for comments about my alma mater and our rival!!!

Look how far we have come.  Midnight posts from Letourneau!

The Scranton folks are coming back to live, granted with their usual negativity, but there is life here.  Wait till we are in the heart of the season. 

I would like board MIP.  There, I said it. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 11:04:43 AM
If I keep winning and building this board up, maybe I'll venture into another one or two.  Let's keep this one going. 

It was too long ago we only had a SU poster lecturing me on telling the truth.   ;D

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!

It wasn't too long ago the dean of the boards was telling me to calm down for comments about my alma mater and our rival!!!

Look how far we have come.  Midnight posts from Letourneau!

The Scranton folks are coming back to live, granted with their usual negativity, but there is life here.  Wait till we are in the heart of the season. 

I would like board MIP.  There, I said it. 




You haven't been around here long enough.  10 years ago, midnight posts from me were the norm!  So were long posts and heated arguments.

1 wife, 2 kids, and 4 jobs later....things change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
So were long posts and heated arguments.

And gripes about officiating. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 05, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 11:04:43 AM

Haven't from Mr. grove in a while, yet the board is lighting up like Spenser for three bomb land!


That's TheGrove to you!

Sorry to disappoint, but I spent my holidays away from the computer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 02:44:44 PM
You were missed as much as the refs who do Catholic games.

Can't wait to head there this year and see them   

23-12 ft's vs. desales.
20-11 ft's vs. regis
only close home games this year....

and SU's lsat 2 trips there go as follows:

18-5 ft's vs. Susquehanna!!!!  - howe's that even possible?
24-7 ft's vs. Susquehanna!!!! - and still lost!


Gimme a break this weekend please.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 05, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
Any way we can take 17 points from our 30 pt victory over Goucher and add them to our CUA score?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 05, 2010, 07:40:50 PM
19 of those free throws came in the final 4 minutes of that game after Catholic had built an 11 point lead. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 05, 2010, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: cugrad on January 05, 2010, 07:40:50 PM
19 of those free throws came in the final 4 minutes of that game after Catholic had built an 11 point lead. 
Don't try to use common sense to ruin a good conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 06, 2010, 01:09:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
So were long posts and heated arguments.

And gripes about officiating. :)

That too...and mostly legit ones at that!

Seriously...I'm sure there's still plenty of bad officiating, but its nowhere near as consistantly awful as it was back in those CAC days.  I don't recognize a lot of the refs now...and that's a good thing.  I suspect some of those officials retired, others just aren't doing CUA games anymore.  

Nice job trying to lay the groundwork there Sus...just in case Susquehanna loses, you're planting the "blame the refs" seed.  

There...midnight posts two days in a row.  (I'm in the central time zone tonight).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 06:34:54 AM
Matt (and others) - some refs have moved on... there are new ones in the mix... and I know that the local "heads" of officiating are doing their best to move their guys around, make sure ones who have done games with some teams aren't repeating too much, and the crews that work best try and work together more often occasion.

I actually have had some long talks with some of the refs I know in the region and there is a conserted effort to improve officiating not just in our area, but overall. However, there are still limitations. Refs you see in York you aren't likely to see in DC simply because of travel and the expenses that are incured.

I would say that officiating in this region (Northern Virginia to Mid-Pennsylvania) has improved dramatically in the last few years. That isn't to say there still aren't some refs who need to either go, improve, or stop being stubburn about change (i.e. refs need to now use both hands to indicate the player's number for a foul, some simply won't do it. That actually became a problem for me and the rest of the crew working the table at a Goucher game - but that is another story for another time). Change is good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 06, 2010, 09:56:22 AM
Hey there's mystique in some gyms.  I get it.  Not blaming the refs at all.  Only makes you look worse.  There are some places where it is heavily swayed and I am ok with it.  Refs admit to being homer's after all if you get them in a private moment every know and then.  They are human.  SU has been the beneficiary of some human refs before too.

That being said, the Catholic and Scranton refs have always been a little more human in those gyms than any other I have seen.  At Catholic for non-conference home games the refs will wear Matt Hilleary throwback jersey's. 

Also, if anyone has an extra 6 to 8 hours to themselves, you might want to read the Steve Howes bio on the CUA site. 
Chapter 1: Crowning Glory
::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 06, 2010, 09:56:22 AM
Hey there's mystique in some gyms.  I get it.  Not blaming the refs at all.  Only makes you look worse.  There are some places where it is heavily swayed and I am ok with it.  Refs admit to being homer's after all if you get them in a private moment every know and then.  They are human.  SU has been the beneficiary of some human refs before too.

That being said, the Catholic and Scranton refs have always been a little more human in those gyms than any other I have seen.  At Catholic for non-conference home games the refs will wear Matt Hilleary throwback jersey's. 

Also, if anyone has an extra 6 to 8 hours to themselves, you might want to read the Steve Howes bio on the CUA site. 
Chapter 1: Crowning Glory
::)



You sound like the legendary poster and another Pat Coleman favorite,  Cold Case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
susiddad - if you look at refs through your school's colored glasses... sure refs look like they might be homers - though I HIGHLY doubt any of them have told you they are homers, even if in private. My private conversations would reveal the exact opposite and I know any ref with a "link" or connection to a school doesn't work those games.

Don't be confused between a style of game that refs in the DC region call versus Scranton area refs call or those in the upper New Jersey region. The Landmark Conference's advantage/disadvantage is that games are played in many different ref regions, thus you get different kind of games called.

Best example I can give you... the Final Four features many different ref teams from many different regions... they do NOT all call the same type of game. Just like individual refs call different games then their partners. The good refs call it consistently the same and don't get caught up in anything to sway them... the bad refs (and there some) are completely inconsistent and you just have to deal with it and adjust your game accordingly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
susiddad - if you look at refs through your school's colored glasses... sure refs look like they might be homers - though I HIGHLY doubt any of them have told you they are homers, even if in private. My private conversations would reveal the exact opposite and I know any ref with a "link" or connection to a school doesn't work those games.

Don't be confused between a style of game that refs in the DC region call versus Scranton area refs call or those in the upper New Jersey region. The Landmark Conference's advantage/disadvantage is that games are played in many different ref regions, thus you get different kind of games called.

Best example I can give you... the Final Four features many different ref teams from many different regions... they do NOT all call the same type of game. Just like individual refs call different games then their partners. The good refs call it consistently the same and don't get caught up in anything to sway them... the bad refs (and there some) are completely inconsistent and you just have to deal with it and adjust your game accordingly.


Dave,


Are there only D3 refs? Or do they do high school as well? Or all three divisions of college basketball?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2010, 01:06:15 PM
  My friend does D2, D3, and high school in the same year. His wife has done D1 and D3 women's games in the same year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 01:54:27 PM
NEPAFAN - I am sure some refs may only do D3... but most that I know in this region do high school up to D1 - even one that does D1 football as well. So they don't stick to just D3 normally... and some have experience at bigger levels (one told me it is actually EASIER to call a D1 game then a D3 game - long story that I can explain some time in the future).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on January 06, 2010, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2009, 12:45:52 AM
Ahh, so I take it nobody has ever transferred from Susquehanna?  That's interesting.

Obviously, Catholic's not "young" for the 5th consecutive year.  They weren't young 3 years ago when they won the CAC.  They were young the last 2 years.  They lost a couple of kids along the way that would have helped, sure, but that's what happens when you have a $30k college and a recession hits.  Nevertheless, all I said is that they needed time to mesh, and that's happening.  They graduated their starting point guard and their 2 guard last year after all.

D-Mac--I hate to say it, and I would refrain in most circumstances--and frankly I understand why you can't really say it--but Trevino has to go.  At a certain point, its up to the coach to change all of what you describe around the team.  Ultimately, the coach is the one bringing in the kids that aren't playing with pride, and the coaching staff has to find a way to get those kids to play with pride.  I've been watching Goucher for quite a few years now as you know and its been steadily downhill every since the mid-90s.  At some point you have to make a change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on January 06, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
couldn't agree more that Goucher needs a new coach and a new philosophy.  Can't understand why they keep the guy or maybe the current state is an acceptable standard for their program.  must be some other reason cuz it certainly isn't winning in the last decade plus  they will probably stand on the past but that would be like sticking with bobby knight these days
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 06, 2010, 02:06:07 PM
If you think there aren't refs that coaches are pleased to see on a game, you are mistaken.  I don't think there is anything wrong with that either.  Home court advantage is a big deal and yes, sorry to the extreme idealists, the refs are a factor in that.

I am done with the refs until after the Catholic game.  Until then, and more importantly here are my predictions.  

SU 81 Goucher 64
Catholic 76 Juniata 49
Scranton 53 Drew 44
USMMA 71 Moravian 59

USMMA 71 Scranton 68
Drew 50 Moravian 55
SU 67 Catholic + refs 75
Goucher 24 Juniata 27

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
susiddad - don't think anyone has said that there aren't refs that coaches are pleased to see - or not pleased to see... from what planet did that come from? As much as refs are mixed around, there are only so many that do D3 games - so I see plenty of refs many times. And by the way, the refs you see at CUA are pulled from the same "pool" as Goucher's for the most part... so you can't be angry about just CUA's refs... unless you only care because you think your team should be beating CUA and you know yours can beat Goucher's!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
susiddad: Right you are on the refs at Scranton being, " part time students at the respective schools & boosters as well". I have the game when your Crusaders roll into the Long Center on Feb. 12th. SS will have 3 offensive fouls in the first 10 minutes & BM will be called for a turnover every time he tries to get a little too DI with the dribble. I'll try & be as creative as possible to keep the Royals in the game & not make it too obvious. I'm expecting Coach Marcinek to have the sport coat off & sleeves rolled up at the 11 minute mark in the 1st. half.
Not sure if Matt is doing CUA games any longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 06, 2010, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
susiddad: Right you are on the refs at Scranton being, " part time students at the respective schools & boosters as well". I have the game when your Crusaders roll into the Long Center on Feb. 12th. SS will have 3 offensive fouls in the first 10 minutes & BM will be called for a turnover every time he tries to get a little too DI with the dribble. I'll try & be as creative as possible to keep the Royals in the game & not make it too obvious. I'm expecting Coach Marcinek to have the sport coat off & sleeves rolled up at the 11 minute mark in the 1st. half.
Not sure if Matt is doing CUA games any longer.

*snicker*
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 04:44:24 PM
LOL! K+
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:49:18 PM
I'm afraid Susquehanna won't need too much help.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:53:18 PM
Thanks Dave...looking forward to the Baltimore/Washington trip in the not too distant future. The whole group has always enjoyed Towson & the facilities at Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2010, 05:02:25 PM
Thank you saratoga - looking forward to having you guys once again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 06, 2010, 05:05:56 PM
Well done Toga,

I especially love the part about BM getting a little too D1.

Everybody all at once, a big cyberhug to Toga for setting me straight.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2010, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
susiddad: Right you are on the refs at Scranton being, " part time students at the respective schools & boosters as well". I have the game when your Crusaders roll into the Long Center on Feb. 12th. SS will have 3 offensive fouls in the first 10 minutes & BM will be called for a turnover every time he tries to get a little too DI with the dribble. I'll try & be as creative as possible to keep the Royals in the game & not make it too obvious. I'm expecting Coach Marcinek to have the sport coat off & sleeves rolled up at the 11 minute mark in the 1st. half.
Not sure if Matt is doing CUA games any longer.

Now and then.  This year Ashworth better not even so much as pump his fist after a made basket or I'm gonna t him up.  I'd toss Danzig but I'm not sure that would help Catholic.  (ba-da-bing.)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2010, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2010, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
susiddad: Right you are on the refs at Scranton being, " part time students at the respective schools & boosters as well". I have the game when your Crusaders roll into the Long Center on Feb. 12th. SS will have 3 offensive fouls in the first 10 minutes & BM will be called for a turnover every time he tries to get a little too DI with the dribble. I'll try & be as creative as possible to keep the Royals in the game & not make it too obvious. I'm expecting Coach Marcinek to have the sport coat off & sleeves rolled up at the 11 minute mark in the 1st. half.
Not sure if Matt is doing CUA games any longer.

Now and then.  This year Ashworth better not even so much as pump his fist after a made basket or I'm gonna t him up.  I'd toss Danzig but I'm not sure that would help Catholic.  (ba-da-bing.)




What would the over/under on Banzhaf FTs be , 50?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 07, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
10.5 attempts for Blessinkopf.


I can see the guards putting up a comical amount as well in a game of this magnititude.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 07, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
You sound like the legendary poster and another Pat Coleman favorite,  Cold Case.

Speaking of legends, whatever happened to Colonel John, Jags and the biggest toolbox of all, Section J Guy?

I heard Luke Hawk got bounced from school and two other Royalites failed academically.
Carl Danzig should try to bring in recruits this soon-to-be-coming offseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
Why wait for the off season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2010, 10:43:40 PM
Juniata/Susque fans,
   Catholic has videocast some of their home games(I watched some of the DeSales' game), so if u want to check out the refereeing this weekend, try a link on their bball web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 08, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
there is nothing i love doing more than paying $7 or so dollars, more than the admission to actual game, to watch a game via internet with awful picture and slow buffering. sigh :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2010, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 08, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
there is nothing i love doing more than paying $7 or so dollars, more than the admission to actual game, to watch a game via internet with awful picture and slow buffering. sigh :-\


Do a little research, Catholic doesn't charge for the video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 08, 2010, 09:30:28 AM
How did I miss this????

With the hefty sum Notre Dame is going to be paying CUA next year, I wonder if they will be able to hire a couple more assistants.  As it stands now, I think the tally is 6 or 7 on the website.

It's a shame Harangody is a senior as I would love to see the JB and him square up. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 08, 2010, 11:51:23 AM
thanks NEPA, thats delightful news...and no i didnt do any research an entire day before the game. haha

but more often than not, a school charges, and a ridiculous amount if you ask me. and i REFUSE to pay it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 08, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
I heard a rumor i will be able to dish Karma points out and take them away shortly.

I haven't felt so good since I was confirmed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 08, 2010, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 08, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
I heard a rumor i will be able to dish Karma points out and take them away shortly.

I haven't felt so good since I was confirmed.

Yes, only 98 more of your insight-filled posts and you can dish the karma. Congrats. But you can't give any to yourself, sorry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 08, 2010, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 08, 2010, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 08, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
I heard a rumor i will be able to dish Karma points out and take them away shortly.

I haven't felt so good since I was confirmed.

Yes, only 98 more of your insight-filled posts and you can dish the karma. Congrats. But you can't give any to yourself, sorry.

+1 to The Grove
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 08, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
Goucher +22.5 tonight vs. Susquehanna. Who has cash?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 08, 2010, 04:26:16 PM
IS that the first half spread or for the game?

id take either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 08, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
susiddad-  lol it wouldn't surprise me if thats the first half spread. better change it to Goucher +45
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2010, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on January 08, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
susiddad-  lol it wouldn't surprise me if thats the first half spread. better change it to Goucher +45

Wow -- maybe I just don't understand the way betting lines are written out but I suspect the final score will be a bit of a comedown either way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
Well, well well....Goucher beats Susquehanna.

Down 95, Catholic outlasted Juniata 71-66.  Tough game--I tried to keep track online.  Juniata was hot from 3 early and led by 1 at halftime.  Game went back and for and Juniata did lead by 1 late until Catholic got a few stops and capitalized.

Juniata played great defense and absolutely collapsed around Banzhof.  Catholic's going to need other guys to really step up and prove that htey can beat you.  Tonight they got just enough from RJ Dixon--I think he had 16 or so (he's been playing well).  Catholic basically won this game on the boards though--they outrebounded Juniata by a HUGE margin.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 09, 2010, 01:46:14 AM
Matt, for someone who didn't get a chance to really pay attention to the game you basically said everything I was going to. I think Juniata had their best defensive showing of the season tonight, which I think bodes well for them moving on. JB was having to fight physical double and triple teams all night and Dixon was huge for them especially down the stretch. He hit 2-3 threes in the 2nd half that swung the momentum back in the Cards favor each time right when I was thinking JC could make a run. I was extremely impressed with his play. When the game was on the line and CUA needed a basket JB got the position down low got to the foul line and converted giving CUA the lead with a lil more then a minute to go for good. And as you said this game was won on the boards, CUA had a number of 2nd chance opps. Great game to watch. JC is going to be in the playoff hunt this yr.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 09, 2010, 04:10:38 AM
having not been able to watch or follow live stats for su, i really have not much to say.   just seems like another case of inconsistency.... lets get it together?yikes.     

as for catholic, im not surprised to hear what i did.   a defense collapsing on JB and REQUIRING others to win the game.    it appears  tonite that dixon did so.   will this always occur? that is the question.   good fight by juniata though.   

as for su....who knows???? we lost to juniata then beat #13 team in country in stockton...so who knows?  we can only hope for a similar rebound and have cua sleep on them and get surprised     ayyyiyi
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2010, 11:55:14 AM
Testing something out here guys...


Goucher USMMA +22.5 tonight vs. Susquehanna Scranton. Who has cash?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
I'll take the Royals in this one. Not saying they'll win...just not going to lose by that margin.
Susquehanna fans take note...two years ago the Royals started the Landmark off with the very same 0-3 start...by the time conference play & the playoffs had ended, they were champs.
The Royals will need great games from just about everyone...including the bus driver to win this afternoon.
MMA: 74/ Scranton: 59.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2010, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 09, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
I'll take the Royals in this one. Not saying they'll win...just not going to lose by that margin.
Susquehanna fans take note...two years ago the Royals started the Landmark off with the very same 0-3 start...by the time conference play & the playoffs had ended, they were champs.
The Royals will need great games from just about everyone...including the bus driver to win this afternoon.
MMA: 74/ Scranton: 59.


Toga,


Trying the reverse karma thing , since Goucher knocked off SU last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 09, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
FT tally last night, cua vs. juniata.

cua: 24
juniata: 11

although many find it ridiculous, there really are consistently lopsided FT numbers...and numbers dont lie!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 09, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 09, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
FT tally last night, cua vs. juniata.

cua: 24
juniata: 11

although many find it ridiculous, there really are consistently lopsided FT numbers...and numbers dont lie!

Numbers may not lie, but you can make them say what you want to hear sometimes.

You've got to take into consideration the context of the game - style of play, score, free throw % (make the front end, get more shots).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
I'll have plenty more to say, but suffice to say that if anybody has the right to whine about officiating in the CUA-SUS game, its Catholic. 

I had a bad feeling after SUS lost to Goucher that they'd come out strong today, and that they did.  Very impressive.  I have no clue how that team lost the night before.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Matt - they lost to a much improved Goucher team who is currently leading Juniata by 9 points. Goucher has improved leaps and bounds since the debacle against Marymount over a month ago. The young players have really stepped up and made a difference. Can they continue... we shall see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
I'll have plenty more to say, but suffice to say that if anybody has the right to whine about officiating in the CUA-SUS game, its Catholic. 
Matt,
   My friend officiated your game so I'll probably be able to get his version of the proceedings. I was watching Scranton-MMA at the time so I didn't see Sus-CUA.
  Ist time I've seen Ryan Samuel play-impressive, everything we'd want in a PG; played under control, yet took over when his team needed it in the last 6 minutes.
  Zach Ashworth didn't seem to play last few minutes and I couldn't tell why. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Matt - they lost to a much improved Goucher team who is currently leading Juniata by 9 points. Goucher has improved leaps and bounds since the debacle against Marymount over a month ago. The young players have really stepped up and made a difference. Can they continue... we shall see.

I didn't mean that to disparage Goucher as much as say that if Susquehanna played as well as they did tonight against everyone, they'd be pretty close to undefeated.  

Actually, they remind me of Marymount back in the day, only with more talent and discipline.  But that same edge.  

It was an odd game.  Spenser squared was quite obviously benched in the first half...didn't play.  And the Crusaders struggled.  CUA led by 6, half of which was a long 3 at the buzzer by RJ Dixon.  Still, it was looking pretty good for the Cardinals.  A key moment occured right as the teams were walking off the court, when one of the Crusaders spiked the ball in frustration after the 3--in between a bunch of Catholic players--and Howes said something to the official--who reacted like his mother had been insulted or something--and proceeded to screw the Cardinals every chance he got for the entire second half.  In the first two minutes alone he called two moving screens, which had been going on the whole game on both sides--the second one wasn't even a legit call--causing turnovers that helped fuel the SUS run.  3 minutes into the second half, Catholic had 6 fouls, almost all of which were called by the same ref that Howes complained to who reacted so angrily, and all but one, maybe 2 of them--were questionable calls that had not been called in the first half.

Meanwhile, the Susquehanna bench was going nuts, jumping all around, including on the court, and I was getting increasingly furious that the officials were looking the other way.  Finally, after a Catholic assistant complained they issued a meek warning.  Things started to get out of head, so they nailed #52 for throwing an elbow before a play started and Susquehanna calmed down a little bit with the Marymount impersonation.

But I digress. When Spencer came into the game, Susquehanna was a different team.  In some ways it was brilliant--like bringing in your ace pitcher in the 6th inning.  Catholic had finally started to settle down after a terrible offensive drought, but they had no answer for Spencer defensively, who came out with something to prove and immediately starting hitting shots all over the floor.

But once again, Catholic's got to find another consistent scorer and that was the problem.  Banzhaf had a very quiet 20 points...nailed a couple of 3's but really couldn't get anything going inside because Susquehanna relentlessly doubled him.   Unlike last night, Dixon was cold--except for his buzzer beater--and the only guy who really had anything going was Holmes, the backup point guard who I think is really going to be special.  Darrell Carrol tried valiantly to take the pressure of of Jason and take advantage of the double, with some success, but for some reason tonight CUA really struggled with Susquehanna's full court trap.  That puzzled me some because I've seen them effectively beat that in previous games.  Working with less time on the offensive end (because it was taking them the full 10 seconds to get the ball up the court) really hurt them.

32 free throw attempts for Susquehanna tonight (vs Catholic's 28).  Catholic also got outrebounded and shot 32% from 3 and had 19 turnovers.

So a tough night for the Cardinals.  And so it goes...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 10:28:36 PM
Matt - first off, didn't think you were disparaging the Gophers... just wanted to point out that they were much improved. And after tonight's win, the Gophers actually have a two-game winning streak and have won three of the last four. Goucher has only had three two-game winning streaks in the past five seasons. The last time they won three in a row or more... 2004-2005 season - also their last winning season. And the team hasn't won a weekend series once in the Landmark - until this weekend.

Anyway... Goucher is TIED with Scranton and Catholic for second in the conference... unreal!

Though, I wish I could get down to DC next weekend for the CUA/MMA game... but I doubt I can see that and get back to Goucher for our game in time.

Also... as for the "moving screens"... I know that is a major point of emphasis this year (saw a lot of calls early on before at least Goucher figured how to stop moving. And while I realize I wasn't at the game... don't be surprised if those fouls are called. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 10:29:41 PM
Oh.. and from what I learned... Spenser Spencer was officially benched for the first half... apparently due to something after the Goucher game on Friday night. (I wasn't there... just heard word.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 10:53:07 PM
On the moving screens--right--but you call 2 on back to back posessions on the same kid (one of which didn't appear to even be a moving screen)--right off the bat in the 2nd half after you've just had a run in with the coach?  And there wasn't a single other moving screen called the entire game?

I wasn't born yesterday, not even the day before.

If they want to start calling that, fine, but...not like that.

Yeah, he pretty clearly was benched for something.  And when he came back in, it was a huge lift for them--and he came out with a huge chip on his shoulder.   Can't say he didn't back it up--17 points in 14 minutes.  Some of those were on "bad" shots--ie, low percentage jumpers that were defended.  Didn't matter.

Yup, Goucher is deft. a factor now.  Glad CUA got a win on them early.  I REALLY hope I can make the trip up there at the end of the year--its always fun. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 11:00:54 PM
Funny you say SS was a factor with 17 points... he wasn't even close to a factor in the Goucher game and I don't think he had 17 points.

As for the calls... can't say a thing... I do know who was working the game... but I am not one who assumes that a run-in with a coach and two calls to begin the half are really a common occurance. There is a chance (assuming here) that the refs talked about seeing some moving screens and didn't call them so they spotted then and made the call early in the second half - that happens a lot. Again... wasn't there... just not a conspiracy guy as much as everyone else on these boards.

As for making it up here on the 20th... you should... we haven't seen you at the now Decker Sports and Recreaction Center in a while.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 09, 2010, 11:19:50 PM
Just have to take your hat of to the Gophers.  Congrats on the win.  The brash SU fans got what we deserved. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2010, 11:00:54 PM
Funny you say SS was a factor with 17 points... he wasn't even close to a factor in the Goucher game and I don't think he had 17 points.

As for the calls... can't say a thing... I do know who was working the game... but I am not one who assumes that a run-in with a coach and two calls to begin the half are really a common occurance. There is a chance (assuming here) that the refs talked about seeing some moving screens and didn't call them so they spotted then and made the call early in the second half - that happens a lot. Again... wasn't there... just not a conspiracy guy as much as everyone else on these boards.

As for making it up here on the 20th... you should... we haven't seen you at the now Decker Sports and Recreaction Center in a while.

Well, its either that, or they are bad officials...so, take your pick.

Yeah, I saw that he was quite ineffective against Goucher.  Beats me what happened. 

BTW--he certainly doesn't have a D1 body, but neither did Stephan Curry...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 09, 2010, 11:29:06 PM
we can only hope perhaps the refs took a peek at the landmark board and took the discrepancy into consideration!! haha :P   KARMA!

after being benched, it looks like mr SS was a little ticked off and just went off... cua got 'spens-ified' in the 2nd half...but its ok, it happens to most!  :P

but yes, dave, i think the stephen curry comparison is right on! never thought of that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2010, 11:59:28 PM
Well before we get too carried away, I wasn't really comparing him to Curry--just his body!

I actually wonder if CUA would have contained him better if he had been playing the whole game--and they adjusted to him being on the court.  The way it played out, it was sort of a shock to the system because you've been playing one way for 28 minutes, and then all of a sudden your opponent starts giving you a totally different look including a player with a totaly different skill set.  Suddenly, right at crunch time you're playing a different game.  Like I said--it worked out perfectly for them.

Its always easier, btw, when the alpha dog on a team is a guard.  In CUA's case, its tough for their best player to really dominate in the same way because he's dependent on somebody else getting him the ball.  He's not taking the ball up the court and taking somebody on the dribble.  I think Jason did show today his range by hitting the two 3's--you have to respect him even out of the perimeter.  He did get his points, but they didn't get enough out of everybody else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 10, 2010, 12:57:40 AM
i mean this in all due respect, matt, but i feel as though if someone else was saying this, as in me saying similar things if SU had lost, you would be in one way or another saying to 'suck it up' (for lack of better words).  sort of like when susid was giving gripe about the refereeing.  you were quick to rule out any suspicion of home-court favoring, however, now you are touching on some anti-cua bias. 

also, it is troubling to fathom your best player as forward vs guard scenario.   you're saying its easier to take the ball off the dribble, shake your defender, bust a few moves and then shoot and score than just catching a pass from someone else on the block and making a move?   it is just very difficult to agree.  (even with all su-bias aside...just from a basketball fan standpoint).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 

Given that the accusation was made that Catholic "gets call" at home, its at least relevent to mention--I don't think any neutral observer could say that today.

Actually, I don't think I commented on "home-court" favoring.  Someone else said that you can't take something like free throw numbers and extrapolate a home court bias and though I didn't say it, I think that's right.  It totally depends on the game situation and the style of play.  For instance, today's free throw numbers for Susquehanna are a little inflated because Catholic fouled intentionally at the end of the game.  Typically the winning team is going to have more free throws for that reason alone.

As far as the "best player" argument--I'm not really arguing anything, just making an observation that I've made for a long time, going back to when Catholic had Matt Hilleary and Will Morley.  My point is that its harder for a post player to "take over" a game, especially when his team is behind, simply because his role dictates that he's not handling the ball as much and he's dependent on entry passes for looks.  For instance, I think Jason probably should have had more touches today (7 shot attempts), but that's not all on him--the Catholic guards couldn't get him the ball and there was quite a bit of sloppy ball handling.  Conversley, a one or two guard has a little more freedom and can create shots.  The best guards have the ability to do more on their own, whereas even the best post players need help.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 10, 2010, 02:45:03 AM
Dmac-couldn't be more spot on with ur take on GC...they have really improved here as of late..Looking at them in the Pride of MD I thought JC would come in and win by 20 and that was certainly not the case. JC came out flat and Goucher jumped on them early and had an answer for every run JC made. Their whole team played within themselves today which I thought was key for them. Perry, Yambor, Musenga, and Gladden all had good games with Suggs and Bailey making good contributions as well. Big week coming up for JC. Can't say I don't miss the games, but I sure as hell don't miss the drills they are going to be doing this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2010, 11:23:19 AM
BCannon - great point, "they played within themselves." That has been a MAJOR problem for many Goucher teams since the '04-'05 season (and even had problems then). There are players who simply don't play within the game and try and take over no matter how they or the team is playing. You mentioned Perry, he has been the biggest offender in the last few years... always taking shots, even if it was the most ill-advised decision for any player. He certainly is doing a little of that still now, but it is far less then in the past and that is giving other guys good looks.

Also, young guys like Trae Lindsay and Tim Alexander have really stepped up recently. Lindsay could end up being one of the better inside players in this conference and maybe region if he continues to improve during his career at Goucher. Alexander is a decent shooter from outside, but he brings to the court heart, desire, and early signs of being a good on-court leader... something Goucher hasn't had since Jonathan Garritt (the only one they have had since their hey-day).

Yambor is starting to feel more comfortable on the court - though I would love to see him take smarter shots especially when he is driving and not really getting a good look. Gladden's year off has calmed him a bit and he certainly likes to battle... but his size is a concern for me - sometimes is just too small inside. It would be nice if he developed a short-range jumper. Musenga is too quiet, I would love to see him get more aggresive and battle a bit more (more muscle would help). And even guys like Kosh are contributing off the bench... which is deeper then in years past.

All that being said... two game winning streak doesn't mean they are going to remain a tough unit. The beginning of the season, especially the first game against Marymount, is still fresh in everyone's heads... meaning I know what this team is capable of when it falls apart. They have to stick to what has been working in the last few months and realize that going away from it won't help.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 10, 2010, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 09, 2010, 11:19:50 PM
Just have to take your hat of to the Gophers.  Congrats on the win.  The brash SU fans got what we deserved. 

I can't believe I'm doing this, but +1 to you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 10, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
Congratulations to Goucher. They are the team to beat now and I am proud of those guys for stepping up and turning things around. It's the start of the new decade and GC bball may be starting something good!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:05:24 PM
Ashworth and Farrell ( can you say rookie of year?) combine for 45 of Scranton's 59 points. They hung with USMMA for the most part and covered the 25 point spread.



I think this conference is wide open.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point. 

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point. 

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.   

Matt,

Seems like you have it all figured out and it doesn't matter what Ronk relays to you. I am awaiting for a game where Catholic losses and you simply tip your cap to the other team, without bring up the refs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point. 

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.   

Matt,

Seems like you have it all figured out and it doesn't matter what Ronk relays to you. I am awaiting for a game where Catholic losses and you simply tip your cap to the other team, without bring up the refs.

And I'm waiting for a Scranton SEASON in which all the Scranton fans don't b--ch and moan about how great it used to be and trash their coach and program instead of appreciating what they've got.

Like the Stones said...you can't always get what you want.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 10, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
I don't think that the officiating at Catholic was all that bad.  However, I do think that the refs did miss some calls against a physical SU team.  Matt has a point about those back to back calls against Catholic's big man.  The bottom line is that Catholic did not match the intensity that SU brought in the second half.  The cards have lost three second half leads - getting beat handily in two of those losses.  They also lost an 11 point lead with four minutes left only to hang on against Desales.  SU has a lot of talent.  It surprises me that they have as many losses as they do.  However, they are obviously not undeatable.  I think that Catholic would do well to continue playing their fast pace style rather than running the clock on each possession.  The Cards really struggle with their half court offense.  Also, those four freshmen should spend more time on the court. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion. 


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point. 

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.   

Matt,

Seems like you have it all figured out and it doesn't matter what Ronk relays to you. I am awaiting for a game where Catholic losses and you simply tip your cap to the other team, without bring up the refs.

And I'm waiting for a Scranton SEASON in which all the Scranton fans don't b--ch and moan about how great it used to be and trash their coach and program instead of appreciating what they've got.

Like the Stones said...you can't always get what you want.

So you are going to dictate how Scranton fans should feel about their program? Don't see the correlation between wanting your program to succeed and b*tching about refs every.single.year. But feel free to carry on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2010, 05:53:02 PM
Matt: just what exactly should we be appreciating...that they continue to fund a men's basketball program? Because that's about what it looks like these days...roll the balls out & let's see who looks like they've done this before.
Or maybe it's that two players account for 75% of their scoring? That the total body of work out of the point this weekend was 51 minutes played, ZERO assists, ZERO points & 7 turnovers?
Perhaps it isn't the ongoing lack of bringing in a true point prior to or since Randy Arnold. Maybe it's not the lack of a recruited post presence...ever. Please remember Elphick was Bess' recruit & Tom Bicknell fell in to place for reasons unrelated to basketball.
It's those darn refs. If they just called the games a little better & evened up the free throws we'd have won yesterday. Come to think of it, those Jersey refs kept Drew in the game on Friday as well. I saw at least 15 offensive fouls on Drew that were never called. We should have won by at least 15. And how about the John Carroll game...man did the refs give it to us in that one.
Let's not fool ourselves...most of the time the game at this level is dictated by the talent on the floor & the leadership at the top. Refs can & do screw up games but, more often than not it won't take a rocket scientist to review game film & determine where the breakdowns have been occuring.
Refs come & refs go...the only constant is the team you put on the floor each night. Have a team full of good players that play with passion & understanding of their roles & you'll overcome any ref having a bad game.
Next adventure...Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion.


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point.  

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.    

Matt,

Seems like you have it all figured out and it doesn't matter what Ronk relays to you. I am awaiting for a game where Catholic losses and you simply tip your cap to the other team, without bring up the refs.

And I'm waiting for a Scranton SEASON in which all the Scranton fans don't b--ch and moan about how great it used to be and trash their coach and program instead of appreciating what they've got.

Like the Stones said...you can't always get what you want.

So you are going to dictate how Scranton fans should feel about their program? Don't see the correlation between wanting your program to succeed and b*tching about refs every.single.year. But feel free to carry on.

Things that are tiresome to everybody else but never seem to stop.

And in that category for me, mis-reading and misrepresenting what people write in order to rail on about it.  Its much more fun for NEPA to pretend that I wasn't complimentary about Susquehanna, that I didn't talk about how Spenser took over the game, that I didn't say that the episode with the official was "an interesting sidebar" that didn't determine the outcome of the game...but of course I did say all those things.  It just wouldn't be as much to acknowledge that because then he'd have less to complain about.

As far as Scranton--look, you all can think whatever you want about your program.  From my standpoint, winning your league two consecutive years is nothing to sneeze at--I'd be proud of that.  Frankly, Catholic's recent history is considerably more impressive than even Scranton's, so I understand the high expectations.  And there are different ways of measuring success--maybe in my old age (ha) I've started taking a longer view...is my program graduating most of its players?  Do they represent themselves and the University well?  Are they competitive?  Is the effort there? If the answer to those questions is yes, then I can accept that.  Of course I want to win as much as humanly possible, but there's no way I'm going to turn on them unless those other things start to not be true.  In this environment, its very hard to reach those "elite" levels and after a while...well, we all get the point.  The Scranton people aren't happy.  

Feel free to keep b*tching about how Scranton is falling short...every.single.year.  (More like every single loss).  But yeah, I will feel free to carry on about officiating.  As long as I'm being fair about it and giving it proper context--ie, its been a LONG time since I've EVER claimed that officiating cost Catholic a game, and it sure as hell didn't this weekend--then I'll continue to point out bad/unusual/remarkable officiating.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2010, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
I'm not touching on an anti-CUA basis, I'm suggesting that one particular official today changed the way he was calling the game after he didn't like what a coach said to him.  Having watched this particular official for many years, I've always thought he had rabbit ears so it didn't surprise me.  I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with CUA--could have been any coach, any team.    I thought the whole thing was an interesting sidebar but not the story of the game, nor did it affect the outcome.  Hey, plenty of people were at the game--that's just my opinion.


I would speculate, before discussing it with the official, that what was said at the end of the half had nothing to do with calls that weren't made in the 1st half.  More likely , it wasn't his call/non-call previously and, in the 2nd half, it was, or, the officials discussed it during halftime  and agreed it should have been called,or he called it when the other official continued to omit it, even if he didn't have primary responsibility. I would hope, if I were the coach, that the head official would inform me so before the 2nd half begins. It makes for an uneven game, but the emphasis is on getting the call right.
Again, I'm speculating ahead of discussing it with him because he might not want it publicly on a msg board for a specific game.
 

Well there's no chance he's going to tell you that he got irritated at a coach and decided to prove a point.  

All I can tell you is that it was called twice on back to back posessions, and not again the rest of the game, even though I saw several obvious moving screens.   And it isn't like that was it.  Whatever, its not worth a big thing on here.  The only thing I'd really be interested in hearing from him is why he chose not to enforce any of the bench/sportsmanship rules.    

Matt,

Seems like you have it all figured out and it doesn't matter what Ronk relays to you. I am awaiting for a game where Catholic losses and you simply tip your cap to the other team, without bring up the refs.

And I'm waiting for a Scranton SEASON in which all the Scranton fans don't b--ch and moan about how great it used to be and trash their coach and program instead of appreciating what they've got.

Like the Stones said...you can't always get what you want.

So you are going to dictate how Scranton fans should feel about their program? Don't see the correlation between wanting your program to succeed and b*tching about refs every.single.year. But feel free to carry on.

Things that are tiresome to everybody else but never seem to stop.

And in that category for me, mis-reading and misrepresenting what people write in order to rail on about it.  Its much more fun for NEPA to pretend that I wasn't complimentary about Susquehanna, that I didn't talk about how Spenser took over the game, that I didn't say that the episode with the official was "an interesting sidebar" that didn't determine the outcome of the game...but of course I did say all those things.  It just wouldn't be as much to acknowledge that because then he'd have less to complain about.

As far as Scranton--look, you all can think whatever you want about your program.  From my standpoint, winning your league two consecutive years is nothing to sneeze at--I'd be proud of that.  Frankly, Catholic's recent history is considerably more impressive than even Scranton's, so I understand the high expectations.  And there are different ways of measuring success--maybe in my old age (ha) I've started taking a longer view...is my program graduating most of its players?  Do they represent themselves and the University well?  Are they competitive?  Is the effort there? If the answer to those questions is yes, then I can accept that.  Of course I want to win as much as humanly possible, but there's no way I'm going to turn on them unless those other things start to not be true.  In this environment, its very hard to reach those "elite" levels and after a while...well, we all get the point.  The Scranton people aren't happy.  

Feel free to keep b*tching about how Scranton is falling short...every.single.year.  (More like every single loss).  But yeah, I will feel free to carry on about officiating.  As long as I'm being fair about it and giving it proper context--ie, its been a LONG time since I've EVER claimed that officiating cost Catholic a game, and it sure as hell didn't this weekend--then I'll continue to point out bad/unusual/remarkable officiating.



Frankly, I could care less what standards you have for Catholic. Your constant chirping and cheerleading for Banzhaf make me think your standards are more in line with the Scranton fans then you think. I am not going to get into an internet war with you, but I would rather hold my team to higher standards then continually b*tch about refs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
You haven't been around here long enough.  10 years ago, midnight posts from me were the norm!  So were long posts and heated arguments.

1 wife, 2 kids, and 4 jobs later....things change.

Like what?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 05:34:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
You haven't been around here long enough.  10 years ago, midnight posts from me were the norm!  So were long posts and heated arguments.

1 wife, 2 kids, and 4 jobs later....things change.

Like what?

Like the fact that this is the first time I've said anything about officiating in 11 months.  Which apparently constitutes "constant chirping."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2010, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 05:34:34 PM

Like the fact that this is the first time I've said anything about officiating in 11 months.  Which apparently constitutes "constant chirping."

But you made up for it during the short time you've been back. Hence, you lied to all of us so how can anyone trust your opinion(s)?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2010, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 05:34:34 PM

Like the fact that this is the first time I've said anything about officiating in 11 months.  Which apparently constitutes "constant chirping."

But you made up for it during the short time you've been back. Hence, you lied to all of us so how can anyone trust your opinion(s)?


Umm...maybe you're taking this a tad bit too seriously? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2010, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 05:34:34 PM

Like the fact that this is the first time I've said anything about officiating in 11 months.  Which apparently constitutes "constant chirping."

But you made up for it during the short time you've been back. Hence, you lied to all of us so how can anyone trust your opinion(s)?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM&feature=related
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2010, 10:14:02 PM
Looks like the karma gremlins have been out early tonight. Hmmmmm let me guess!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Hey, it ain't me...I'm dropping karma like an NBC late night host.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2010, 10:38:06 PM
Newman!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 11, 2010, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2010, 10:38:06 PM
Newman!

No he's over in the CSAC!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 13, 2010, 08:36:44 AM
Three players scored in double figures as CUA men's basketball (10-4) dropped Carnegie Mellon on Tuesday evening, 73-68.

R.J. Dixon and Jason Banzhaf shared the team lead in points with 16, but a double double for Chris Kearney, 15 points and 12 rebounds, led the CUA attack in the win.

Jack Anderson led the way for the Tartans with 18 points, as he hit his 1000th career point tonight at the DuFour Center. John Duhring led on the boards for the visitors with 9 caroms.

CUA opened the game with a Kearney layup only 11 seconds into the contest and extended its lead to five with 12:18 remaining in the first half. 

Anderson cut the Cardinal lead to one, before Andre Moore hit a layup with 10:18 on the board and gave the Tartans their first lead of the contest. The visitors then extended that lead to as many as six with 2:51 left.

In the final two minutes of the stanza, the visitors fell silent and CUA went on a 8-0 run to end the half with a two-point, 32-30 lead.

In the first half, CUA shot 52.0% from the field, converting 13-of-25 shots and adding five from the charity stripe.

After the break the teams exchanged baskets over the first four minutes before Banzhaf hit a layup with 16:22 remaining and sparked another 8-0 that put the Cardinals up seven, 45-38 with 15:05 left in the game.

CUA extended its lead to as many as 12, but saw that lead dwindle over the final few minutes, until John Duhring cut the lead to three with 4.7 seconds remaining. Duhring fouled Matt Fazzini immediately after the inbound and with 4.1 seconds on the clock, Fazzini went to the line. He missed both shots and with a defensive rebound Anderson had a chance to tie. With no timeouts the Tartans needed to get up court quickly, but a timely steal and layup by Cody Otto sealed the game for CUA.

The Cardinals dominated the inside game, scoring 44 points in the paint grabbing 10 offensive rebounds. The Cardinals also won the turnover battle, handing the ball over only 10 times while forcing seven steals and 17 overall turnovers.

CUA will return to action on Saturday evening at the DuFour Center as The United States Merchant Marine Academy will travel to Washington, D.C., for Landmark Conference action. Tipoff is set for 7:30 p.m. on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
When CUA gets that third scoring option in a game, they're really good.  Nice to see the freshman Kearney get it going with the double-double.  He's had some games like that.

I know CMU doesn't have a great record, but they play a brutal schedule in a tough league so I think its still a good win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
When CUA gets that third scoring option in a game, they're really good.  Nice to see the freshman Kearney get it going with the double-double.  He's had some games like that.

I know CMU doesn't have a great record, but they play a brutal schedule in a tough league so I think its still a good win.


They are in last place in the UAA....but if a 5 point win over a last place team qualifies as a good win...I'll let you run with it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 13, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
When CUA gets that third scoring option in a game, they're really good.  Nice to see the freshman Kearney get it going with the double-double.  He's had some games like that.

I know CMU doesn't have a great record, but they play a brutal schedule in a tough league so I think its still a good win.

Hey Matt, the story could have been far more enterprising and thorough, if the following were added:
It was the fifth straight road loss for C-M since the new year and it was also the closest C-M has come to victory in that time. They entered the Catholic game losing by an average of 12.2 during that stretch but managed to outrebound the Cardinals by one.
However, it wasn't enough as C-M fell to 4-8.
So, what's changed with you????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
I don't mean to pick fights here, but come on. That is like saying the Scranton victories over Kean were good wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
I'll amend to say its a good win for a Landmark team at this time.

CMU's current strength of schedule is #51, their power ranking (wins factoring in strength of schedule) is higher than Scranton's, Moravian's, Goucher's, Juniata's and Drew's and just about in the top 40% of all teams nationally.  The combined record of the opponents they've lost to is 72-29 (.718).

That's my defense.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 14, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
now, if we can put our personal quarrels aside, lets discuss landmark matchups this weekend.


there are a number of big matchups, including both games for SU, since they cant seem to win the ones they should but win the ones that are more questionable (last weekend).  they need to win both.  they are at home, they SHOULD beat moravian, and scranton game should be a good battle in which i would expect them to win at home (thus far undefeated at home this season).

big matchup down in DC again with cua and usmma
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
They are in last place in the UAA....but if a 5 point win over a last place team qualifies as a good win...I'll let you run with it.

0 - 2 early in UAA conference action... I wouldn't put too much into "last place" either. And I wouldn't say being last in the UAA is a bad thing. That is one of the top three or four conferences in the country with a difficult travel schedule... so the fact CMU is "last" just two games in isn't much to say. Plus the fact, they lost to Emory in Atlanta on a Friday and Rochester (in Rochester) on a Sunday... that isn't an easy traveling weekend - but at least it is out of the way. Remember... CMU was a pretty good squad last year in the UAA... and while they lost a bunch, they aren't that bad now (they beat Hood by 10 earlier this season).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
I don't mean to pick fights here, but come on. That is like saying the Scranton victories over Kean were good wins.
And comparing a Scranton win over Kean to a Catholic win over CMU is apples and oranges. If we were comparing them as equal... that means Juniata's win over Dickinson is as impressive... it isn't.

CUA's win over CMU is far more "impressive", as it where, then your comparison. Just because a team is last in one stronger conference doesn't relate to a team that is last in another, weaker, conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 14, 2010, 02:04:02 PM
CMU may have a lot of talent, but they are far from the team they have been the last 4-5 years.  They really are missing some upper-classman leadership and it is leading to a lot of inconsistency.  The group of seniors last year really held that team together.  As for this year, they did have a couple decent showings early in the season, but it seems as though as other teams are starting to mesh and getting better, the opposite is happening at CMU.  I would not be surprised if CMU finishes last in the UAA this year.  CWRU and Emory have both outplayed them in their out-of-conference schedule, and those two are their main competition for the bottom of the league.  They may get a couple of league wins throughout the season, especially if they get hot (they do have talent), but this team looks like they will be inconsistent all year and, at this point, they would be fortunate to get into double-digit wins (they still play WashU, Chicago, Brandeis, and NYU twice and Rochester once).  I am not trying to be hard on them (I am a former CMU player), but this is just my opinion from observing the team so far this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 14, 2010, 02:44:12 PM
Nice to see on my hiatus that everyone has started whining and crying about how bad their teams are.  Couple of harsh truths.  No one in the Landmark is a threat to anything that special. The CMU win is somewhat impressive.  Goucher, despite the win is still somewhat fraudulent.  I wouldn't be surprised if my posts were the reason they won.  I think CUA is ready to take off personally and will beat usmma.  The SU talent IMO has been superior since I can remember.  The results unfotunately have not. I'd love to see the talent match the results ???

As for all the whining and the chirping, is the women's landmark board? :-*

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
They are in last place in the UAA....but if a 5 point win over a last place team qualifies as a good win...I'll let you run with it.

0 - 2 early in UAA conference action... I wouldn't put too much into "last place" either. And I wouldn't say being last in the UAA is a bad thing. That is one of the top three or four conferences in the country with a difficult travel schedule... so the fact CMU is "last" just two games in isn't much to say. Plus the fact, they lost to Emory in Atlanta on a Friday and Rochester (in Rochester) on a Sunday... that isn't an easy traveling weekend - but at least it is out of the way. Remember... CMU was a pretty good squad last year in the UAA... and while they lost a bunch, they aren't that bad now (they beat Hood by 10 earlier this season).
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
I don't mean to pick fights here, but come on. That is like saying the Scranton victories over Kean were good wins.
And comparing a Scranton win over Kean to a Catholic win over CMU is apples and oranges. If we were comparing them as equal... that means Juniata's win over Dickinson is as impressive... it isn't.

CUA's win over CMU is far more "impressive", as it where, then your comparison. Just because a team is last in one stronger conference doesn't relate to a team that is last in another, weaker, conference.

And this comes from a guy who two years ago said Goucher was the future of the Landmark!
That's two posters we can't take at face value.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
susiddad - for starters... I wouldn't call Goucher "fraudulent." Are they playing above themselves? Maybe. But the difference in the style of basketball and team play they are showing now from when I saw them in the middle of December is tremendously different. Can they win the conference? Probably not. But they beat both Juniata and Susquehanna this past weekend and while they showed some inexperience at times, it was clear to me they have figured out something. But... calling them fraudulent (considering I know you have not seen them - or you won't admit to it) is going just a bit beyond your knowledge level.

As for your team, SU... they may have superior talent... but they aren't showing they can play either together or a team or put all the pieces together. Personally, I was disappointed in their effort on Friday night - especially Spenser Spencer (find it interesting you didn't chime in about his benching in the CUA game). He has shown signs of being a good player, but what I saw on the court Friday was anything but... especially mentally. And I don't think I would have played him for a minute against CUA after the eye roll I saw him give his coach after a technical foul was called on him. Again, talent is one thing... playing together is completely different and I don't think SU is playing consistently good basketball as a team.

As for CUA... the battle for home-court may be decided this weekend. CUA vs. MMA will be a good indication where the Landmark playoffs will be at the end of February. I know CUA is a game back, but if MMA loses this weekend... it forces them to win out (basically) and make sure they beat CUA at home to get the advantage. Whereas... CUA ties MMA with a win and will probably not trip up much in the next six weeks of action. I will go out on a limb and say whoever wins this weekend... is going to be hosting the Landmark Conference tournament. (Watch, Scranton, Goucher, or even SU will shock everyone and be hosting!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
And this comes from a guy who two years ago said Goucher was the future of the Landmark!
That's two posters we can't take at face value.
Future of the conference? WHAT?! I am willing to bet I didn't say that! Two years ago Goucher was in the middle of another losing season (since they haven't had one since '04-'05). I am quite sure I didn't say they were the future of the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
I don't mean to pick fights here, but come on. That is like saying the Scranton victories over Kean were good wins.
And comparing a Scranton win over Kean to a Catholic win over CMU is apples and oranges. If we were comparing them as equal... that means Juniata's win over Dickinson is as impressive... it isn't.

CUA's win over CMU is far more "impressive", as it where, then your comparison. Just because a team is last in one stronger conference doesn't relate to a team that is last in another, weaker, conference.


I wasn't comparing Kean vs. CMU, in my opinion they are both wins. Not good wins or wins to hang your hat on. I guarantee CMU finishes last in that conference.


Can anyone confirm Luke Hawk is playing again?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 14, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
And I guarantee the last place team in that conference would beat all but the top 1-2 teams in THIS conference. 

Not a win to "hang your hat on," but a good win.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 14, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
And I guarantee the last place team in that conference would beat all but the top 1-2 teams in THIS conference. 

Not a win to "hang your hat on," but a good win.   

Okay let's relax the UAA isn't the freakin Big East.

And for the people complaining about the whining, isn't that what a message board is for?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 14, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
Magoo,

SS got benched.  There is no reason to get into specifics.  Truth is, everyone on this team has been benched at one point or another for all sorts of reasons.

In fairness, I am not a homer.  I have not been over-complimentary of the SU team this year.  I think I have been if anything probably a little tough on them.  I would not disagree with anything you said about them.  Dissapointing efforts...inconsistent....  Not bringing it is an all too common theme.  That is what happens when you play 4 freshman every year meaningful minutes.  The SS - to Stephen Curry comparison is actually a pretty good one except Curry was afraid to take the big shot and we know SS is not.  

This team can win the league or not.  Being inconsistent is a scary thing though.  Fraudulent might have been a little harsh since you admitted they cant win the league...I do respect them a whole lot more.  They beat Juniata at home which you don't hang your hat on, but you know the Eagles didn't walk in and give them the game.  As for the SU game, we gave them the game.  Granted the Gophers wanted it more, but if the game meant something to SU, we would have won.  The fact that it didnt mean anything is exactly what frightens me about this team.

-I predict a sweep for the Crusaders this weekend.  
And thanks for the karma whoever gave it to me!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 14, 2010, 05:55:41 PM
Thanks to everyone for voting me the poster of the month.!!!!  very cool of you.  I will not forget you on my way to the top!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
Mat... it was an interesting game. CUA never seemed to lose it or play bad when they lost the lead several times to Goucher. They played the same way the entire game. Goucher, on the other hand, was up and down the entire game. They started a lineup I hadn't seen all season (two players hardly played all season) and seemed to click in some moments and not in others. Even though Goucher had been known for coming back in games - almost in ever game and from any deficit - I didn't expect them to in the second half... but they did and nearly pulled off the victory. CUA won thanks to free throw shooting and rebounding. Goucher had its chances but couldn't pull in the loose rebounds or hit their FT's (a theme for years).
These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years. Right now, I would say CUA may have the edge since they have size inside... but these two teams are going to be putting up some incrediable battles for the next three years.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
And this comes from a guy who two years ago said Goucher was the future of the Landmark!
That's two posters we can't take at face value.
Future of the conference? WHAT?! I am willing to bet I didn't say that! Two years ago Goucher was in the middle of another losing season (since they haven't had one since '04-'05). I am quite sure I didn't say they were the future
of the conference.

You lost your bet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 14, 2010, 07:52:06 PM
whoa!  whatta find....Now I know why there isnt a pool for picks in this conference.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
Mat... it was an interesting game. CUA never seemed to lose it or play bad when they lost the lead several times to Goucher. They played the same way the entire game. Goucher, on the other hand, was up and down the entire game. They started a lineup I hadn't seen all season (two players hardly played all season) and seemed to click in some moments and not in others. Even though Goucher had been known for coming back in games - almost in ever game and from any deficit - I didn't expect them to in the second half... but they did and nearly pulled off the victory. CUA won thanks to free throw shooting and rebounding. Goucher had its chances but couldn't pull in the loose rebounds or hit their FT's (a theme for years).
These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years. Right now, I would say CUA may have the edge since they have size inside... but these two teams are going to be putting up some incrediable battles for the next three years.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
And this comes from a guy who two years ago said Goucher was the future of the Landmark!
That's two posters we can't take at face value.
Future of the conference? WHAT?! I am willing to bet I didn't say that! Two years ago Goucher was in the middle of another losing season (since they haven't had one since '04-'05). I am quite sure I didn't say they were the future
of the conference.

You lost your bet.


Talk about a memory. What does he owe you since he lost the bet? A Goucher Basketball T shirt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
Mat... it was an interesting game. CUA never seemed to lose it or play bad when they lost the lead several times to Goucher. They played the same way the entire game. Goucher, on the other hand, was up and down the entire game. They started a lineup I hadn't seen all season (two players hardly played all season) and seemed to click in some moments and not in others. Even though Goucher had been known for coming back in games - almost in ever game and from any deficit - I didn't expect them to in the second half... but they did and nearly pulled off the victory. CUA won thanks to free throw shooting and rebounding. Goucher had its chances but couldn't pull in the loose rebounds or hit their FT's (a theme for years).
These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years. Right now, I would say CUA may have the edge since they have size inside... but these two teams are going to be putting up some incrediable battles for the next three years.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
And this comes from a guy who two years ago said Goucher was the future of the Landmark!
That's two posters we can't take at face value.
Future of the conference? WHAT?! I am willing to bet I didn't say that! Two years ago Goucher was in the middle of another losing season (since they haven't had one since '04-'05). I am quite sure I didn't say they were the future
of the conference.

You lost your bet.
You are right... now I have to go see someone to wonder what in the world I was thinking when I posted that. +k
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
The Landmark shrink is busy with susiddad all morning but might be able to work you in tomorrow afternoon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
The Landmark shrink is busy with susiddad all morning but might be able to work you in tomorrow afternoon!

Nepa,
Good line.
  Looks like Juniata isn't videocasting this year(unlike last year), but Susquehanna will be. Men's games this weekend could go either way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 14, 2010, 11:41:44 PM
i wish we could put all this bickering back and forth to the side for the weekend---honestly, after the first day, it is getting old...lets talk basketball!!!
(however, kudos for digging up that post from 2008---thats the kind of effort and persistence SU needs this weekend! haha...way to do your research though, do you happen to be an attorney!?)

as for spenser spencer being benched... i know the reason--it was absolutely nothing related to the goucher game, or that day at all.  just a simple team policy violation, something very tedious, ridiculous, and mind-boggling personally.  but marcinek does not let anyone, no matter who they are, get away with breaking rules.  SO, he sat the first half.  i guess things turned out alright--perhaps he should only play 2nd halves the rest of the season...come out all pissed off and LIGHT up the landmark like he did the almighty cardinal.

also, lets drop this whole UAA talk...frankly, who really cares? we are a group of schools that are like-minded institutions!!! lets keep it between us! those outsiders are clearly not 'like-minded' as we would like them to be :P

it is VERY early to start talking about home court advantages...3 games in? c'mon.  what if goucher doesnt lose again---including beating CUA!! :o  even though you say CUA will have little trouble over the next six weeks (VERY BOLD statement--they just lost to a freshman-laden SU team), as we have seen this season, almost anything can happen.   if you are going to make any early assumptions, it should be that usmma will walk away with the conference title.  consistency, success...they have everything clicking right now.  does cUA? no. anyone else? NO!  no one else has proven themselves, while i feel thus far usmma has made a statement.  if anyone, THEY will have very little trouble over the next six weeks. as for everyone else---we should be worrying about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS before we worry about who will host--geesh.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 15, 2010, 01:00:09 PM
Goucher will handle Drew on Saturday and gain confidence out of that game going into USMMA. The Sunday game will be good with Goucher winning. You never bet against Momentum and it seems like Goucher has it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2010, 01:01:47 PM
They don't call them the "Cold Case Files" for nothing!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 15, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on January 15, 2010, 01:00:09 PM
Goucher will handle Drew on Saturday and gain confidence out of that game going into USMMA. The Sunday game will be good with Goucher winning. You never bet against Momentum and it seems like Goucher has it.

Is everyone South of the Mason-Dixon line that biased?
Next thing I'll read is the thug Ravens will beat the Colts this Saturday night.

Dave, even though we didn't actually bet, would you mind predicting a Ravens. I'm a Colts fan and that would put me at ease.
I would be willing to forget that future of the league deal. ;D

Lefty, what time do the Steelers kickoff........oh, wait a minute. ::)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 15, 2010, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 15, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Lefty, what time do the Steelers kickoff........oh, wait a minute. ::)

That just never gets old.... oh, wait a minute.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 15, 2010, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 15, 2010, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 15, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
Lefty, what time do the Steelers kickoff........oh, wait a minute. ::)

That just never gets old.... oh, wait a minute.

You get karma for that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 15, 2010, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: tpm4286 on January 15, 2010, 01:00:09 PM
Goucher will handle Drew on Saturday and gain confidence out of that game going into USMMA. The Sunday game will be good with Goucher winning. You never bet against Momentum and it seems like Goucher has it.

be careful...sorta like SU was going to handle goucher last weekend and battle with CUA (coming off a blowout win against a 23-win, ncaa tourney team in Brooklyn days before).  momentum can very easily creep up and make teams overlook potentially lesser opponents--especially ones not used to it and who are amped up to take on the better opponent in usmma the following day.  gotta get thru friday night first.

and ALSO...how is usmma not riding momentum as well?  its tough to say even on a good night for goucher while riding momentum will top a mediocre night, with confidence behind them as well, from usmma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 15, 2010, 05:03:46 PM
Knock Knock
Whose there?
Drew
Drew who?
Just Drew....

A joke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 15, 2010, 05:16:11 PM
On a more serious note:
after my 5-3 weekend last week here are the highly anticipated weekly picks by yours truly:

SU vs. Moravian - Boring game, but SU gets a few freshman in there and remind Moravian its gonna be like this for the next few years.
Scranton vs. Juniata - Scranton by 6  (and yes, scranton season is on the line here) Great matchup, but i just dont see the Eagles ending Scrantons season. 
Scranton vs. SU - Scranton by 2 (devastating loss)  Now all the anti-Danzig guys pretend they didnt see the hoops this weekend and actually wake up looking at the stnadings ands realizing that the Royals are looking pretty darn good.
Moravian vs. Juniata - Moravian by 8 (Cannon and Ferko get tossed out of gym for tech's from the stands)  You can now cross Juniata out of the palyoff hunt.
Drew vs. Goucher - Big game and I mean a big one.  I dont think one line is enough space to predict the outcome, but I will try and keep it short.  Drew by 2. My apologies for those in attendance.
CUA vs. USMMA - IMO the worst matchup for USMMA.  Guards are fast enough and tough from CUA, not necessarily as good.  The CUA frontcourt is as tough and slightly more skilled then USMMA.  Upset special right here.  I am sure CUA will rush the court after and jump around like they just won their 3rd landmark title....oh wait.  They haven't won their 1st!
USMMA vs. Goucher - Coming of a loss to CUA Goucher might lose this one by 43.
Drew Catholic - Refs bail out Catholic down the stretch of a game they easily could have lost.


You're all welcome for the wonderful tips and insight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2010, 05:22:37 PM
Any way you can do some live blogging during the games this weekend?  ::)


Ronk,


Video or no video at Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2010, 05:53:04 PM
Nepa,
They do have video at Juniata-just turned on the women's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 15, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
Said it last week and I'll say it again, JC is a playoff team this yr...they played very well against Catholic and came out flat against Goucher who had problly their best game of the season...I know one of the Scranton followers offered up Farrell as a ROY, but if the season continues as is its between him and Alex Raymond from JC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2010, 11:42:30 PM
   Raymond did have a very good 2nd half. Couldn't believe the depth of his kneebend on his foul-shooting routine. He made them all-but down the line ,late in the game...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: BCannon on January 15, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
Said it last week and I'll say it again, JC is a playoff team this yr...they played very well against Catholic and came out flat against Goucher who had problly their best game of the season...I know one of the Scranton followers offered up Farrell as a ROY, but if the season continues as is its between him and Alex Raymond from JC.

BCannon,

I was the royal follower who touted Farrell. The other day I saw the stats on Raymond...I think he has the edge right now. I also agree with you on JC being a playoff team. Scranton is still giving up way to many offensive rebounds and second chance points. Nice to watch some of the video of the game, I thought I saw some recruits behind the Royals bench, but that could be my imagination!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2010, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: BCannon on January 15, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
Said it last week and I'll say it again, JC is a playoff team this yr...they played very well against Catholic and came out flat against Goucher who had problly their best game of the season...I know one of the Scranton followers offered up Farrell as a ROY, but if the season continues as is its between him and Alex Raymond from JC.
BCannon - that was not Goucher's best game of the season against JC... their best game was the night before against SU. JC did come out flat, but had a chance late in the game as Goucher flattered down the stretch, but couldn't put it away. The battle for #4 in this conference is going to be a good one... it could be a three or four horse race.

CC - as for the Ravens/Colts... I think it will be a very tight game and I wouldn't be surprised with a Ravens win. The Colts haven't played a full 60 minute game in a month and may have shot themselves in the foot benching starters in a close game against the Jets. Their run defense is giving up about 113 yards/game and the Ravens come in with one of the most dangerous running games in the NFL. The Colts secondary is giving up about 220 some-odd yards per game... something the Ravens may be able to take advantage for on occasion. The Ravens defense certainly is playing much better in the second-half of the season. The secondary is certainly questionable, but with Reed back and a pass rush that certainly had the Patriots on their heels... the secondary might not be as exposed. Though, for Ravens fans, they just hope it doesn't come down to a 42 yard FG for Stover to try and win it! :)

Quote from: hoopit123 on January 14, 2010, 11:41:44 PM
it is VERY early to start talking about home court advantages...3 games in? c'mon.  what if goucher doesnt lose again---including beating CUA!! :o  even though you say CUA will have little trouble over the next six weeks (VERY BOLD statement--they just lost to a freshman-laden SU team), as we have seen this season, almost anything can happen.   if you are going to make any early assumptions, it should be that usmma will walk away with the conference title.  consistency, success...they have everything clicking right now.  does cUA? no. anyone else? NO!  no one else has proven themselves, while i feel thus far usmma has made a statement.  if anyone, THEY will have very little trouble over the next six weeks. as for everyone else---we should be worrying about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS before we worry about who will host--geesh.

Goucher will lose again, for starters. Their game is improved, but I don't think it is good enough to run the table from this point on. Scranton isn't worrying anyone this season; SU has problems they have to address before they can make a run; leaving CUA and MMA. Remember, CUA already has tie-breaker advantage over most teams. And I can't say MMA will walk away with the conference title. I am not as impressed with their season. They certainly have had good wins, but I think it may be a bit of smoke and mirrors. Today's game against CUA will show us if this is true or not. Again, if MMA walks out with a win, they have the early track to that home-court advantage (two games up with tie-breaker against CUA).

As for whether anyone else has proven themselves... that is exactly my point. CUA vs. MMA will probably detemine the home-court advantage strickly because NO ONE ELSE has proven they will battle for the top of this conference. I think MMA will struggle a bit more as the weeks come as CUA will gain confidence. So, if MMA wins today, they have a cushion to deal with those struggles. If CUA wins, they gain a tie on top and the advantage, in my mind, for the end of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2010, 03:59:25 PM
  I'd say the advantages are to Scr, Sus, and Mor for winning on the road and  negative to CUA and Drew for losing at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2010, 09:25:01 PM
CUA 72 USMMA 70
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
Saw this one coming... Drew 50 Goucher 42. Goucher was acting way too cocky before the game and before warm-ups and simply did not come out with any urgency... and they certainly do not know how to find urgency when the game calls for it. Every time Goucher crawled back to within two or even tie the game, Drew would go on a run to go up 7 or 8 (finished the second half on a 10-0 run).

Drew played a pretty good game and certainly shot well when they needed to. Goucher shot horribly from the free throw line, even for them. Not optimistic for tomorrow against Merchant Marine... but we will see...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 16, 2010, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2010, 03:38:45 PM

CC - as for the Ravens/Colts... I think it will be a very tight game and I wouldn't be surprised with a Ravens win. The Colts haven't played a full 60 minute game in a month and may have shot themselves in the foot benching starters in a close game against the Jets. Their run defense is giving up about 113 yards/game and the Ravens come in with one of the most dangerous running games in the NFL. The Colts secondary is giving up about 220 some-odd yards per game... something the Ravens may be able to take advantage for on occasion. The Ravens defense certainly is playing much better in the second-half of the season. The secondary is certainly questionable, but with Reed back and a pass rush that certainly had the Patriots on their heels... the secondary might not be as exposed. Though, for Ravens fans, they just hope it doesn't come down to a 42 yard FG for Stover to try and win it! :)
Dave, you misunderstood me. I was referring to you claiming you would bet you never said Goucher is the future of the Landmark Conference.  Since you lost that bet, I was hoping you would place another wager on the Ravens in hopes of you keeping your betting streak intact. You know, negative result. ;D
Judging by the final score, perhaps you did place a wager on the Ravens.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 01:42:17 AM
Kind of an odd game tonight for CUA--I was watching online so I didn't quite get the whole picture, but Catholic shot the ball very well but committed a lot of turnovers--22, I believe it was.  They played very well on defense and seemed to be making an effort to score in transition more which I think is a good idea.

Banzhaf only had 8 points, but had 12 boards.  For the second "1st game" in a row, it was Dixon that went off and had a great night.

CUA had the game pretty much in control but nearly lost it at the free throw line--partly because the wrong guy was taking free throws at the end (Reed)--only because he came up with 2 big rebounds.  For the record, Susdad--free throws and fouls were dead even until MMA fouled on purpose a couple of times at the end.  As it was, I think CUA was only +4 in attempts.

Obviously a big win for them.  Need to keep up the intensity tomorrow against Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 17, 2010, 02:34:26 AM
Catholic played well for the first 15 minutes of each half.  They did all they could to give it away.  Cards were up by about 13 with about 4 minutes left.   USMM  missed an open three with less than 10 seconds left.  Lot of turnovers in the last few minutes.  The freshmen played well, but RJ is carrying the Cards!   Good win for Catholic, though.  I see that SU shot quite a few more free throws than Scranton.  They must have borrowed those "Catholic homers"  to officiate the game!  GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2010, 12:59:27 PM
Considering I have been covering the Ravens for 9 years in my capacity at my paying job... I know not to bet on the Ravens this season... when things start to go wrong, they struggle to right the ship. They needed a fast start... and that didn't materialize.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 17, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
Anyone who saw the cards game know the refs weree the difference....the numbers dont tell the story here.  Momentum shifts were all cardinals..i assume.

on a more serious note, watching SU play is not a thing of beauty, but sweeping a weekend is something us perennial landmark playoffs have a tendency to do.  The way SS can get going at anytime, I am confident we can beat anyone in the league.  Not that I think we are the best team, but when the goes into the last 6 or 7 minutes and is tight, SS can go for 8 points in a minute and even if he's off, doesn't mean SU loses.  Still think we are uncertain about our lineups though, but we'll see.  If we gel and these guys stick together we got just as good a shot as anyone unless we have to play 7 on 5 again at Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2010, 09:31:52 PM
Well... if you are talking about the Merchant Marine game against CUA... the Cardinals nearly blew the game considering they where up 12 with a couple minutes left and went to the line several times late to ice the game and could. If you are talking about the Drew game... when you are shooting 61% from the floor midway through the second half and 47% from beyond the arc... refs aren't a determining factor.

As for SU... they had to sweep this weekend... after getting swept last weekend. And how can you have confidence they can beat anyone in the league? Last week proved they struggled with Goucher and didn't do well against Catholic. I am sure when thy get those two teams at home it may be a different story, but one again you are staying things that simply are not true and blatenly wrong. Remember... SS was held to four points by Goucher. While he shows on occasion he can take over a game and play well... he is VERY inconsistent and that leaves burden on other teammates that can't shoulder as much.

And the reference to 7 on 5 against CUA... enough already! I am tired of you using every excuse, including the refs, for why you lose. And if you really knew anything... it would be 8 on 5 since there are three refs on a court at a time.

When SU starts playing consistently good basketball and shows they can play well as a team instead of when they want to... then we can talk about them contending for a title.

Right now... CUA and Merchant Marine are two best teams in this conference... period. SU, Scranton, Juniata, and even Moravian are playing for the #3 and #4 slots... while Goucher and Drew play spoiler - something both teams are capable of doing on the right night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 17, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
Anyone who saw the cards game know the refs weree the difference....the numbers dont tell the story here.  Momentum shifts were all cardinals..i assume.

on a more serious note, watching SU play is not a thing of beauty, but sweeping a weekend is something us perennial landmark playoffs have a tendency to do.  The way SS can get going at anytime, I am confident we can beat anyone in the league.  Not that I think we are the best team, but when the goes into the last 6 or 7 minutes and is tight, SS can go for 8 points in a minute and even if he's off, doesn't mean SU loses.  Still think we are uncertain about our lineups though, but we'll see.  If we gel and these guys stick together we got just as good a shot as anyone unless we have to play 7 on 5 again at Catholic.

Well, you're right about the 7 on 5 part...or at least 6 on 5...you neglect to mention that SUS had the extra help.

Silliness aside, I do think you are right about SUS.  However, CUA totally dominated Drew today--including a 19-0 run.  Nice to see them really stop on somebody and keep the foot on the accelerator.   78-51 was the final.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2010, 09:31:52 PM
Well... if you are talking about the Merchant Marine game against CUA... the Cardinals nearly blew the game considering they where up 12 with a couple minutes left and went to the line several times late to ice the game and could. If you are talking about the Drew game... when you are shooting 61% from the floor midway through the second half and 47% from beyond the arc... refs aren't a determining factor.

As for SU... they had to sweep this weekend... after getting swept last weekend. And how can you have confidence they can beat anyone in the league? Last week proved they struggled with Goucher and didn't do well against Catholic. I am sure when thy get those two teams at home it may be a different story, but one again you are staying things that simply are not true and blatenly wrong. Remember... SS was held to four points by Goucher. While he shows on occasion he can take over a game and play well... he is VERY inconsistent and that leaves burden on other teammates that can't shoulder as much.

And the reference to 7 on 5 against CUA... enough already! I am tired of you using every excuse, including the refs, for why you lose. And if you really knew anything... it would be 8 on 5 since there are three refs on a court at a time.

When SU starts playing consistently good basketball and shows they can play well as a team instead of when they want to... then we can talk about them contending for a title.

Right now... CUA and Merchant Marine are two best teams in this conference... period. SU, Scranton, Juniata, and even Moravian are playing for the #3 and #4 slots... while Goucher and Drew play spoiler - something both teams are capable of doing on the right night.

Uhh--D-Mac--SUS beat CUA last weekend.  And they looked really, really good doing it.   I came away really impressed and wondering how they had laid such a stink bomb the night before.  I think the comparison to Marymount back in the day is apt.  Same kind of team--lots of talent.  Just have to bring it night after night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2010, 10:29:02 PM
Matt - as I wrote that I thought to myself... wait a minute, let me check that... but I never did... thanks for the correction. I remembered that SS came into the game, but I forgot what it resulted in. Sussiddad.... sorry about that... my mistake (I need to get my head rebooted and reformatted apparently).

That being said, while they beat CUA, they lost to Goucher and that kind of inconsistent play is what worries me. And the comparison to Marymount may be a very good comparison.

Again.. very sorry for the mistake... got too much on my mind these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 11:39:05 PM
Oh, I can relate.  Understandable.

Nevertheless, your comments and SUSdad's  hit on the enigma that is SU.  Catholic/Goucher have Scranton and Moravian next week.  Wish I could get to Scranton--never been there.   But on a Friday night--no chance.

BTW--when CUA scores 71 or more in regulation, they are 12-0.  That seems to be the magic number.  The defense has been very good--they are holding opponents to .402 FG percentage (.317 from 3).

BTW--George Fountain got his first minutes (I believe) with CUA today.  He had an outstanding HS career and was one of the best 3 point shooters in the state coming out of Montgomery County.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 18, 2010, 01:12:23 AM
The ref stuff is just developing a rivalry within the conference.  As a perennial powerhouse in the lnadmark we at SU are looking for a little more juice at the games.  I will let the ref stuff go (untilwe get jobbed in the playoffs there)...I have also made some comical remarks on the 9 assts...and undersold jb in the past.  Has to be tough to muddle through the jokes and find the nuggetts of wisdom. 

No worries on thinking we lost to CUA last week...

The inconsistency scares me.  Lot of questions as to what is next.  I know what we are getting out of CUA and USMMA and probably Juniata in a good way.  The others in a bad way with the exception of Scranton.  I was not too impressed with the, this year, but they are not out.

5 teams vying for 4 playoff spots.  End of story. 

Are there any real rivalries in the conference yet? 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
susiddad - thanks for the understanding. However, how do you consider SU a perennial powerhouse? Scranton has won the most Landmark titles and represented the conference every year in the NCAA tournament. SU hasn't been there... in fact they have lost in the first round of the Landmark tournament the last two seasons.

I do like how Coach Marcinek coaches and his teams are always competitive, but when you have players like Spencer not playing consistently... the team suffers as well. No ill will... just being realistic to who I think will be battling for the Landmark crown.

And real rivalries... now sure how CUA feels, but I have always thought Goucher versus CUA is a rivalry, though Goucher has to get better to really make this a true rivalry. I also wonder if SU versus Scranton is heading towards a rivalry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2010, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
Uhh--D-Mac--SUS beat CUA last weekend.  And they looked really, really good doing it.   I came away really impressed and wondering how they had laid such a stink bomb the night before.  I think the comparison to Marymount back in the day is apt.  Same kind of team--lots of talent.  Just have to bring it night after night.

I just have to chuckle at this because I was at Marymount in those "back in the day" days. Maybe it's me.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 18, 2010, 12:51:20 PM
SU has a share of the Landmark Regular Season title since it's inception.  I didn't say we dominated the conference, but no one in the league circles the SU game and puts a "w" next to it.

I think last year's performance of ROY, Def. POY, MVP, and coach of the year does let you know who had the best team, just got a road jobber in the playoffs.

This year should be no different, in the playoffs and with a shot to win it all as in the last two years.  THe only irk is that I want all these issues resolved pre-season.  I want to know who my 3-5 are going into the season, not switching it up until the last week.

The athletic department is sending 2 busses for all the students to usmma for the game as a thank you for the students supporting the team at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 18, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
SU hasn't been there... in fact they have lost in the first round of the Landmark tournament the last two seasons.

I do like how Coach Marcinek coaches and his teams are always competitive, but when you have players like Spencer not playing consistently... the team suffers as well. No ill will... just being realistic to who I think will be battling for the Landmark crown.

dave, you really are off of your game.  first of all, SU has the best 'conference' record of any team in the LC the first two seasons.  there must be some sort of consistency considered in that.  it is obvious they have been coming to play every weekend in conference play.  this year, well, a diff. story.  
also, SU lost in the conf. championship in OT @ scranton last year.  not the first round. but thats beside the point.

i may be taking this the wrong way, dave, but i hope you are not saying that marcinek fails to get the best out of his players  (or did u just mean SS?)

i dont think SS inconsistnecy can at all be correlated to marcinek; if anythjing, it has to be SS attitude itself.  look at the players/taems he has had the past few years.  starting with the J-Rob and Cuff year, when did those two guys not play their best (aside from a random bad game).  when has any of his teams and best players underachieved?  he had two players put up POY numbers, unfortunately only one could be the POY. then we turn to last season with players like patch and mcdevitt. mcdevitt was the hardest worker i have ever watched in the college game.  the kids body was always terribly bruised and battered from diving all over the ground and taking charges. and then patch, has anyone ever seen the kid have a BAD game, or one in which he didnt 'show up'?  the 3 years he started here, i personally never saw such a game from him, even when overshadowed as a role player behind JRob and cuff.  now, not to mention majors---kid is a defensive specialist...and thats what he does best and does so every game, hence DPOY.  ask any PG in the LC if they like playing against him.  

point of my story is marcinek himself does nto have a problem getting consistency out of his star players.  if anything, he has a tendency in craeting GOOD players and pushing them to be the best they can---i know patch and Jrob have been POY in LC, if SU is the only team to boast a POY, how can it be said there is an issue with the coach getting the best out of their better players?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 03:41:43 PM
hoopit123... I am not knocking Coach Marcinek at all. I really do like his style and what he gets out of his players. What I am getting at is that when SS is not playing consistently, it puts more pressure on everyone else to step up and play better with less mistakes. Marcinek gets a lot out of great player, but I think he has a handful with SS who can easily get out of a game mentally and instead of five guys on the floor... you essentially have four (game against Goucher, I would have probably benched SS because he wasn't providing anything to the team on the floor and another player might provide something).

As for SU's best conference record... tough to brag about considering they don't win when they have to. You can have the best record in the country, but when the must-win game is in front of you and you keep faltering, your record no longer means much (i.e. Dallas Cowboys). SU hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament in the two years of the Landmark Conference because they lost both times in the first round. Winning a lot helps... but winning when it matters means more when talking about success.

Again... no issue with the coach... the inconsistencies are with players on the court. From what I saw at Goucher, sometimes no matter what the coach is doing or saying, it doesn't sink in for a player and that leaves the coach simply scratching his head. For SU's fans and Coach Marcinek's sake... I do hope the inconsistencies can end and they can play as a unit.

On a side note, and in no reference to Coach Marcinek. A coach can make average players good... good players great... and great players dominating ones. But those individual efforts don't automatically create a better a team.. just better players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 18, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
You can't knock Marcinek without mentioning SU was practically winless not too long ago and Marcinek built the program from nothing in a couple of years.  What is odd is with all the talent HE was able to bring in, where are the tourney trips?  This team has enough talent to win.  How SU didnt win with KC, JR, and JP is still somewhat of an embaressment.  But maybe this year is our year.  I know whose it is not Mr. (124 karma points) ohhhhhh! 

Also, it would be nice to see some of the bottom feeders to turn it around.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2010, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 18, 2010, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
Uhh--D-Mac--SUS beat CUA last weekend.  And they looked really, really good doing it.   I came away really impressed and wondering how they had laid such a stink bomb the night before.  I think the comparison to Marymount back in the day is apt.  Same kind of team--lots of talent.  Just have to bring it night after night.

I just have to chuckle at this because I was at Marymount in those "back in the day" days. Maybe it's me.  :)

Well, what I mean is that teams that I think have very good talent and just consistently underachieve.  Mentally can't keep it together during a whole season.  And play with a bit of an edge---which personally isn't my style because I think it can get out of control.  I don't think SU really qualifies as THAT yet, but Marymount certainly did.  

In the case of SU--the coach seems to want that and eggs it on.  We'll see if that pays dividends.  I've been able to watch coaches with very different styles at Catholic---of course the makeup of the team matters--but its been interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2010, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 03:41:43 PM
As for SU's best conference record... tough to brag about considering they don't win when they have to. You can have the best record in the country, but when the must-win game is in front of you and you keep faltering, your record no longer means much (i.e. Dallas Cowboys). SU hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament in the two years of the Landmark Conference because they lost both times in the first round. Winning a lot helps... but winning when it matters means more when talking about success.

Dave, I'm sorry, but you're incorrect again. SU lost the championship to Scranton last year. That's the second round of the playoffs.

(They lost in the first round the first year of the Landmark, and in the first round of the Commonwealth playoffs the year before that - both to Juniata - so maybe that's why you're confused).

Matt, I know where you're coming from on the SU/MU comparison, and so far I have to say I agree. Consistency counts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 06:21:41 PM
TheGrove - I researched that and found they lost in the first round... so I will have to triple-check my source. And susiddad - no one is knocking the coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
From the "duh!" department... I forgot the playoffs weren't on the same weekend... and were mid-week... so when I saw the Susquehanna loss days after a win... I just took that to be the first round... just wasn't thinking... again. It has been a rough week... guess I need to go back and think more nationally instead of just this conference :).

Again... I am just trying to say... I want to see Susquehanna play more consistently before I jump on their bandwagon... that's all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 18, 2010, 06:38:34 PM
i am assuming this silence from the scranton front is a sign of giving up hope?i know the past few weeks they went on and on about disappointment...after 0-2 weekend, maybe they are right?

after watching the US vs SU game this weekend, i kind of got the feeling they were expressing...scratching my head, wondering: what happened???   i honestly feel as though scranton is out of the playoff picture for this season.  they had no spark against SU, have no forwards besides londo (but he needs others to create for him and is not true scoring threat), and it even appeared as though danzig was giggling and laughing in disgust at times.

they are a FAR inferior team than they were last year. for the first time, i finally understand what all the gripe was for by nepa and co.

what DID happen??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 18, 2010, 06:45:35 PM


matt---i believe this is not a case of marcinek egging on the bit of flare and foolery that goes on at times.  he cannot control his players personalities and demeanor.  i think more than controlling it, the coach can only ADAPT to it...if he does not, it will be a long season and he would just yell at his players nonstop--that achieves nothing.  he has a bunch of young, inexpereinced, players this year that never learned the calm, cool demeanor of the seniors of 07, 08 09.  consequently, this team appears to have a much different personality.  is it bad? NOT AT ALL!  it appears to be working, and with so many young players, i feel marcinek has no choice than to accept what is working. if nothing else, maybe it intimidates some teams to see the confidence this young SU team displays.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
  Too early to write off the Royals; after all, they were winning 41-30 Sat and in the process of stealing the ball at midcourt when SS reclaimed the muff and hit a big 3 in a string of 9. Disappointed-yes, but there are plusses- 6 of 9 games left at home, +1(road wins - home losses, nobody is better), and, hopefully a return to last year's form of Luke Hawk from injury.
  A few years ago in the Mac-Freedom, there was the possibility of 5 teams tying for 1st with 9-5 recs going into final game of season; this season may be similar.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 18, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
To add to your response ronk I could be wrong, but I believe Scranton in the 1st yr of the Landmark had the same conference record at this pt in the season
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2010, 10:57:07 PM
Brian, you are exactly right about the Royals similar record however, two years ago the Royals had a point guard (Randy Arnold), a post presence in Tom Bicknell, a one man zone in Paul Hawk & a wing threat in Matt FitzPatrick. This year, they are batting .000.
Eli gets in early foul trouble because he's trying to do the work of 3 people & obviously he has no supporting cast around him. Scranton is by far way too one dimensional...when the 3's are falling they'll be in the game & when they're not, since they haven't learned that offensive rebounds are allowed, they get clobbered. Ashworth is putting up nice numbers but he too is getting frustrated & firing away 3's from 30' well before a play even has a chance to be run. This team has leadership issues, talent issues & recruiting issues.
Right now based on what I've seen, Scranton is the 5th. team in a 4 team race. There is little to no improvement weekend to weekend, minimal passion & hustle on the floor, minimal enthusiasm generated from the bench for team mates & just an overall lack of toughness both mentally & physically.
This weekend I see them losing at home to Catholic & defeating Goucher (maybe). The following weekend I can see them losing at home to MMA & defeating Drew & then the last full weekend losing on the road to both Catholic & Goucher. To add insult to injury, I wouldn't be surprised if Moravian knocked them off in the regular season final. I'm not real sure what Coach Danzig has done with his recruiting budget the past 4 years but it seems a few tanks of gas & some actual visits might be in order.
I hope I'm very wrong on this team but, I think the fat lady has sung on this season. It may not be much longer & the mens team will be playing the first game at Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 19, 2010, 09:14:24 AM
Definite talent decline in Royal nation over the past year. 
I happen to think it is ok to knock a coach here or there if deserved or even a joke.
Probably the most underrated program in the league is the Juniata Eagles.  Cannon, can we get some comments on Curley and the job he does there as a former player.  All of the SU Juniata games are hard fought and probably split over the past few years, yet all the talent is on the SU side imo. With the exception of yourself and maybe SU coaching legend Ferko.  Curley should get some notice here as they overachieve often.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
There is nothing new to be said. Royals need to keep their heads up and keep playing every weekend.


As an aside, Susq puts on the best internet video broadcast I have seen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 19, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
The video feed is normally great, however they keep switching up the film guys and the best ones sometimes put their head down and are not ready to film to their potential when called on.  Like 3 out of every 4 films are great. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 20, 2010, 12:31:17 AM
Toga-I totally agree with everything you said. I was in no way trying to compare this yrs team with that 08 team talent wise, just wanted to point out the records as reason to not totally write them off yet. As you said they get to play a lot of games at home now..it'll be interesting to see how things play out at the Long Center.

susid-w/ regards to Curley he would problly prefer the job he does to go under the radar but since you asked for my opinion I feel confident in saying he is the best coach & runs the best program in this conference. Not necessarily W's and L's wise yet (although 1st yr was in Landmark Finals and was more deserving of COY with all we lost from the previous season then Coach Walker imo) but in other ways that are not as easily seen from the outside. I find your take on the talent disparity between JC and SU a little comical, but I will digress and say that from top to bottom SU has the more talented individuals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 20, 2010, 09:22:48 AM
"On a side note, and in no reference to Coach Marcinek. A coach can make average players good... good players great... and great players dominating ones. But those individual efforts don't automatically create a better a team.. just better players."

-Dave -

I am not so sure I would be the best here to answer, but I kind of disagree with the above statement.  A coach can make average TEAMS good, good TEAMS  great, and great TEAMS dominant. 

The players are responsible for making themselves better.  The better the players are the more potential the teams have.  Making sure the team reaches that potential is the coaches job amongst many other things like finding the talent.

That is kind of why I wanted to recognize Juniata's coach for the job he does.  They always play hard and seem to reach their potential as a team.  Player wise, outside of Cannon has anyone made it to a top 1st or 2nd team in the last 2 or 3 years?  SU has had at least 2 every year.  Yet the difference in talent doesnt reach the difference in record. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 20, 2010, 11:05:45 AM
Susi-agree with all of that. I just feel its inaccurate to say all the talent resides on the SU side. I don't think that's a fair/accurate assessment is all. From top to bottom does more talent reside on the SU bench in the last 3 yrs in the Lmark? absolutely. As far as All Conf 08-09 1 on 2nd team, 07-08 1 on 1st 1 on 2nd, 06-07 1 on 1st 1 on 2nd
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 20, 2010, 11:09:37 AM
Fair enough. Watching most of the games last year, it seemed that way. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
susiddad - we are basically on the same page... it just depends on the coach. IMHO from experience playing collegiate athletics and from coaching myself and covering sports as a job and a hobby... there are three types of coaches: those who can get the most and more out of players; those who can get the most and more out of a team as a whole; and the greats who can do both.

The arguement made by some (and I do see) for Coach Marcinek is that he gets the best out of his players; your point about Juniata's coach is also correct as he gets the most out of his team. I am not disagreeing with either... they are two different coaches with two different styles and adjustments to the talent they have on their roster.

Now... someone pointed out that one team had POY, ROY, Coach/Year, etc. but weren't a great team record wise or something. That goes to show that you can have the best talent and certainly do something with it, but unless you play as a team you aren't going to go very far. I see this EVERY year especially in conference tournaments and the NCAA "Big Dance." The teams that win championships are not the ones with a stand-out player... they have several and/or work as a great team. Case in point, when CUA won their title... they had several guys along with Pat Maloney (who everyone remembers). They beat a William Patterson team that had one of the best players in Division III: Horace Jenkins. The two-time Wash U and two-time UW-Stevens Point teams were great teams which certainly had great individuals as well.

Just a thought...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 20, 2010, 12:26:52 PM
Absolutely.  Teams with no talent can do nothing except hold the ball the whole game and hope for an off night and frustrating a team....we have one of those in this league.

As far as talent goes, the team with the most talent should win most of the time.  If they don't you have to look at the coach and ask why? At SU we have won probably right around where we should have.  Nothing shocking over the past for years talent representative. 

I would say Juniata has overachieved and Catholic underachieved in that regard and not by anything that is absurd.  There have not been too many shockers so far.   

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
Just curious why you think Catholic has underachieved--you mean this season or in the last 3?  I'm not sure that I agree.  Although in the past you've dismissed it, this year they've got one senior and they have freshman taking more minutes than I probably ever remember.  Yes, they've got the league's best player, but there hasn't been much consistency around him.

So its hard for me to say--at this point in the season, at 12-4---that they've really underachieved.  Last year, they were 18-10--which was probably on target, and the year before when they really struggled, when they were really young and Banzhof hadn't developed.

This year, based on what I've seen, SU has probably underachieved a little bit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 20, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
Matt,

Better said, if I were to guess that they overachieved or underachieved, i would go with underachieved.  The teams had more potential if anything.  Not that they have had bad seasons or are having one now at all  (actually are prob. overachieving) this season. 

I would point to their depth at positions and the depth at coaching staff.  Most staffs in this league are a veteran coach with some kids around him.  At CUA you have so many coaches to cover all aspects of a program.  Where is it translating on the court?  Recruiting?  Superior scouts and game planning?  I'm not sure I see it anywhere.

In fairness, at 12-4 CUA is having a great season and getting better as the year goes on.  They are my pick to win it all especially if they can get the home game vs. USMAA.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 20, 2010, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2010, 02:26:24 PM


This year, based on what I've seen, SU has probably underachieved a little bit.

matt---i am very curious how one could possibly take the stance that SU has underachieved.  how good were they to be this year?! they graduated 5 seniors, 3 of which were key players. plus cosgrove, a starter, and kerwin, 6th man, transferring.  if anything, they have OVERachieved! theyve beaten a #13 team. lost by 6 to FandM. beat a 23-win and ncaa tourney team by 20, beat CUA!!!, etc...   IMHO, they have far surpassed my expectations going into the season.  there was talk about them getting double figure wins.  they are already there. 
dont forget, they start 3 freshmen--granted, different ones--each game. theyre 5 man is currently a 6'1" forward.  personally, i am VERY surprised of their success this season.

after the loss of players, what more could one REASONABLY have expected this year?  i am very proud of what they have done---while inconsistent, they are far from underachieving, and down right impressive most of the time for a bunch of young kids!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2010, 07:11:52 PM
Believe it is alumni weekend at Scranton this weekend. Wonder what the reaction of alumni is on the state of the team this year, but hey at least Goucher is scheduled for tomorrow afternoon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2010, 10:15:25 AM
An absolutely huge win for the Royals last evening at the Long Center. In a game that may have sealed their fate one way or another, the Royals came out & played with more hustle & determination as they've displayed all season. Diving for loose balls, boxing out a much taller Catholic team & actually crashing the boards & getting second chance shots.
Scranton did a magnificent job of spreading the floor, taking their time on offense & driving the lanes that were there. When the lanes were sealed, the kick backs were there & the Royals outside game came through as well. Truly great to see the Royals not be so reliant on the 3 and take it right inside and get layups & or fouls.
I will certainly give credit when do & the Royals & the coaching staff deserve much credit for putting together a great game plan & playing with  purpose & passion. Eli was a beast inside & played like he was 6'9". His jumping abilty was never more evident as it was last night. He always plays hard but, last night he was focused beyond anything I've seen in quite some time. Zack was able to create & drive the lanes as Scranton created great spacing & it was the defense that fueled the offense as the Royals seemed to challenge every shot for the entire 40 minutes.
The D was further evidenced by about 9 blocked shots of which Eli had about 6 himself. One great one was when 6'8" Matt Swaback ran the length of the floor & blocked a potential fast break layup against the back board which was picked up by a Royal & fed downcourt to a teammate for a layup the other way.
Last night was like watching a totally different team than has played thus far this season. Great game plan by the staff, great hustle all night by the kids & another tough night in the Chamber of Horrors for one J.B.
If Scranton can bottle this game & realize the approach they took last night can & must be applied to each & every remaining game...they will be a very formidable opponent. What they can not do is think they've now got it all figured out & take anyone for granted or the huge steps taken last night will have meant nothing.
I really can't begin to explain how great it was to see the Royals attack on offense from multiple areas on the floor & to play defense with such conviction all game long. Great job by the coaches & players...hope they've turned it around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2010, 02:05:07 PM
Why does EVERYBODY seem to get it together like that to play Catholic?  Already this year I think we've been the recipient of the best games of Susquehanna, Scranton and Washington and Jefferson's seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2010, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2010, 10:15:25 AM
An absolutely huge win for the Royals last evening at the Long Center. In a game that may have sealed their fate one way or another, the Royals came out & played with more hustle & determination as they've displayed all season. Diving for loose balls, boxing out a much taller Catholic team & actually crashing the boards & getting second chance shots.
Scranton did a magnificent job of spreading the floor, taking their time on offense & driving the lanes that were there. When the lanes were sealed, the kick backs were there & the Royals outside game came through as well. Truly great to see the Royals not be so reliant on the 3 and take it right inside and get layups & or fouls.
I will certainly give credit when do & the Royals & the coaching staff deserve much credit for putting together a great game plan & playing with  purpose & passion. Eli was a beast inside & played like he was 6'9". His jumping abilty was never more evident as it was last night. He always plays hard but, last night he was focused beyond anything I've seen in quite some time. Zack was able to create & drive the lanes as Scranton created great spacing & it was the defense that fueled the offense as the Royals seemed to challenge every shot for the entire 40 minutes.
The D was further evidenced by about 9 blocked shots of which Eli had about 6 himself. One great one was when 6'8" Matt Swaback ran the length of the floor & blocked a potential fast break layup against the back board which was picked up by a Royal & fed downcourt to a teammate for a layup the other way.
Last night was like watching a totally different team than has played thus far this season. Great game plan by the staff, great hustle all night by the kids & another tough night in the Chamber of Horrors for one J.B.
If Scranton can bottle this game & realize the approach they took last night can & must be applied to each & every remaining game...they will be a very formidable opponent. What they can not do is think they've now got it all figured out & take anyone for granted or the huge steps taken last night will have meant nothing.
I really can't begin to explain how great it was to see the Royals attack on offense from multiple areas on the floor & to play defense with such conviction all game long. Great job by the coaches & players...hope they've turned it around.



Toga,


You sound like a new man. Good recap, but how was the officiating?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
Scranton wins again by 12 or so over Goucher. It appears the key is to keep Londo out of foul trouble, as he had a monster weekend. Another key might be Luke Hawk who scored 14 off the bench. If they can get Hawk going I don't see any reason why the Royals can't make some noise in the conference tourny.


Any other interesting results from the weekend?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
At the 1/2 point of the conference sched:

Standings                          Projected Final

MMA     6-1                         MMA         11-3
C          5-2                         Sus          10-4
Sus      4-3                          C               9-5
Scr       4-3                          Scr            9-5
J           3-4                         J                6-8
G          3-4                         G               5-9
D          2-5                         D               3-11
M          1-6                         M              3-11

I'm projecting the home team holding serve in the 2nd half except for MMA over M,J,D; C over D,G; and Sus,Scr over M.     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
You think Scranton will lose at Catholic?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 25, 2010, 11:10:43 AM
In regards to playing your best vs. catholic and all the teams that do.  What is the reason?  Is it luck?

Perhaps they are the easiest team to prepare for?  Slow down Banzhopkf, keep them from pushing you out of bounds on o-boards, and protect the paint.  Watching them play 2 this year, they are not hard to figure out. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 25, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
projecting an 'underachieving' team to finish 2nd in the conference and host a playoff game against the ever-overachieving CUA??!!!   :D

i think usmma has made their statement, finishing off SU saturday with ease.  this just furthers my initial prediction that usmma will win the conference this season.  SU has clearly not noticingly struggled playing on the road this year, shown by beating a good cua team on the road.  so, the fact that usmma easily took care of them, i feel, really shows 'who is boss'.  but who knows, the past few years i dont think SU has lost to usmma at home, so we will see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2010, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
You think Scranton will lose at Catholic?



  Just going with the Royals not duplicating their optimal game this past Friday, the switch in courts, 2nd game of the weekend, wearing down of Ashworth over the long season, etc.; hopefully, I'll be wrong with these concerns.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 25, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
Two teams are locks for the playoffs.  USMMA and Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2010, 02:35:39 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 25, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
projecting an 'underachieving' team to finish 2nd in the conference and host a playoff game against the ever-overachieving CUA??!!!   :D

i think usmma has made their statement, finishing off SU saturday with ease.  this just furthers my initial prediction that usmma will win the conference this season.  SU has clearly not noticingly struggled playing on the road this year, shown by beating a good cua team on the road.  so, the fact that usmma easily took care of them, i feel, really shows 'who is boss'.  but who knows, the past few years i dont think SU has lost to usmma at home, so we will see.

The very fact that I think they're underachieving tells you I think they should be a playoff team! 

Hey, I'm just going by pure talent and personnel. 

I don't think the current CUA team is overachieving, btw.  I think the 2001 team overachieved!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 25, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
overachieving, a term I might have brought into this forum I regret.  Please accept my apology.  Overachieving is what losers call reaching your potential.  The 2001 CUA team didn't overachieve at all.  They reached their potential.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
Good matchup Friday night as the USMMA comes into the Long Center. Looking forward to see if Londo can stay out of foul trouble Ashworth can keep it rolling and a few other players can step up.


Too bad we have to wait a week to play a game in the Lanmdark Conference!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 26, 2010, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
Good matchup Friday night as the USMMA comes into the Long Center. Looking forward to see if Londo can stay out of foul trouble Ashworth can keep it rolling and a few other players can step up.


Too bad we have to wait a week to play a game in the Lanmdark Conference!

Yeah, but you can just sleep in the gym until the next game starts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 26, 2010, 12:26:14 PM
Kudos to Marcinek and his staff in taking initiative to play the best to try become one of the best.  #11 SOS in the entire country.  factoring that into their 11-7, its even more impressive--more likely than not, if they lose they are losing to GOOD teams (eh, goucher--ouch.).  comparing to someone, like say, CUA at #299 (if im correct), it makes more sense now that a team like SU, with not as impressive of a record, to go in and beat cua at home.    some food for thought--making an attempt to play the best teams in the country will make you a better team in the longrun!!!  a powderpuff nonconference schedule may make you feel nice and warm inside and feel good about yourselves with a great start, but, as displayed this season in the LC, it does nothing to better your chances and make you successful in conference play against teams that have challenged themselves.  after all, winning the conference is all that matters now!   i believe SU has taken the correct approach in bettering their chances of making the big dance this season.  playing the FandM's of the world make the CUA's of the world not as 'scary'.      ....but then theres USMMA. TOUGH!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2010, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 26, 2010, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
Good matchup Friday night as the USMMA comes into the Long Center. Looking forward to see if Londo can stay out of foul trouble Ashworth can keep it rolling and a few other players can step up.


Too bad we have to wait a week to play a game in the Lanmdark Conference!

Yeah, but you can just sleep in the gym until the next game starts.

I already do that!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2010, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 26, 2010, 12:26:14 PM
Kudos to Marcinek and his staff in taking initiative to play the best to try become one of the best.  #11 SOS in the entire country.  factoring that into their 11-7, its even more impressive--more likely than not, if they lose they are losing to GOOD teams (eh, goucher--ouch.).  comparing to someone, like say, CUA at #299 (if im correct), it makes more sense now that a team like SU, with not as impressive of a record, to go in and beat cua at home.    some food for thought--making an attempt to play the best teams in the country will make you a better team in the longrun!!!  a powderpuff nonconference schedule may make you feel nice and warm inside and feel good about yourselves with a great start, but, as displayed this season in the LC, it does nothing to better your chances and make you successful in conference play against teams that have challenged themselves.  after all, winning the conference is all that matters now!   i believe SU has taken the correct approach in bettering their chances of making the big dance this season.  playing the FandM's of the world make the CUA's of the world not as 'scary'.      ....but then theres USMMA. TOUGH!

This season,I agree with no Landmark team likely to get a pool C bid, it's all about winning the conference AQ berth. But, in the future, the better approach is to toughen up against strong non-regional teams in early season/holiday tournaments where losses won't negatively impact your regional ranking in the pool C competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2010, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
Good matchup Friday night as the USMMA comes into the Long Center. Looking forward to see if Londo can stay out of foul trouble Ashworth can keep it rolling and a few other players can step up.


Too bad we have to wait a week to play a game in the Lanmdark Conference!

I really hate this schedule.  I think it makes it very hard to get some momentum and harder for teams to gel.  From a spectator's perspective, its impossible for a lot of people to get to two games in a row on a weekend and a big time commitment.

I understand the reasons for doing it and the academic focus, but I still hate it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 26, 2010, 04:36:43 PM

Quote from: ronk on January 26, 2010, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 26, 2010, 12:26:14 PM
Kudos to Marcinek and his staff in taking initiative to play the best to try become one of the best.  #11 SOS in the entire country.  factoring that into their 11-7, its even more impressive--more likely than not, if they lose they are losing to GOOD teams (eh, goucher--ouch.).  comparing to someone, like say, CUA at #299 (if im correct), it makes more sense now that a team like SU, with not as impressive of a record, to go in and beat cua at home.    some food for thought--making an attempt to play the best teams in the country will make you a better team in the longrun!!!  a powderpuff nonconference schedule may make you feel nice and warm inside and feel good about yourselves with a great start, but, as displayed this season in the LC, it does nothing to better your chances and make you successful in conference play against teams that have challenged themselves.  after all, winning the conference is all that matters now!   i believe SU has taken the correct approach in bettering their chances of making the big dance this season.  playing the FandM's of the world make the CUA's of the world not as 'scary'.      ....but then theres USMMA. TOUGH!
This season,I agree with no Landmark team likely to get a pool C bid, it's all about winning the conference AQ berth. But, in the future, the better approach is to toughen up against strong non-regional teams in early season/holiday tournaments where losses won't negatively impact your regional ranking in the pool C competition.

yes, i agree, and understand what you are saying.   however, all i was getting at re: this season is that all the experience playing very tough teams early on is bettering their chances to win the conference championship this season, getting the AQ.  playing more formidable foes in non-conference is helping them out now against the tougher teams in the landmark---therefore, those close games against national top teams is helping them win in the LC, and hopefully win the title.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 26, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
Interesting.  I'll take beating bad teams over losing to good ones any day of the week.  Some nice big wins and the tougher schedule no doubt breeds a better team.

As far as CUA scheduling, no surprise there.  Just read the bio, it's all about the boss and his winning games. 

Marcinek has always been a program, never a me guy.  How can we have such a high sos with some of the teams in this league on our schedule?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 26, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
Interesting.  I'll take beating bad teams over losing to good ones any day of the week.  Some nice big wins and the tougher schedule no doubt breeds a better team.

As far as CUA scheduling, no surprise there.  Just read the bio, it's all about the boss and his winning games.  
Marcinek has always been a program, never a me guy.  How can we have such a high sos with some of the teams in this league on our schedule?

That's a total bull%&it cheap shot.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  I know you wrote that pretty much just to get a rise out of me, so I'll try not to take your bait, but your obsession with the Catholic coaching staff went from funny to annoying to just plain creepy a long time ago.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 26, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Totally kidding, Matt.  I happen to believe the staff at CUA is doing a great job this year.  I even picked them to win the conference this year and like the style of play.

Outside of USMMA, I can see CUA winning multiple tournament wins if they get a couple of breaks.
:)
You have to be able to get the sense of humor by now!!!!!


:)  cheer up Matty. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 28, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Any predictions for this weekend?

Catholic + Refs  74 Susquehanna 72 
Will CUA fans travel for this most important Landmark game?
Matty?  Lunch?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2010, 12:12:10 PM
Sus that ship has sailed my friend, unless you are buying crusader dogs for all Cua fans at the game.

Scranton looks to win three games in a row for the first time all season. Also congrats to Eli Londo who won LC player of the week and was named to the d3hoops team of the week!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 28, 2010, 12:25:24 PM
Yeah susiddad, support the baseball team and buy those hotdogs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2010, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: susiddad on January 28, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Any predictions for this weekend?

Catholic + Refs  74 Susquehanna 72 
Will CUA fans travel for this most important Landmark game?
Matty?  Lunch?


I'm going with the Pa. teams winning except for MMA over Moravian. CUA fans will probably watch those fine videocasts from Sus and Juniata instead of traveling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2010, 04:52:37 PM
Ha--yeah, no chance the Odyssey is gonna make that trip!  We can barely make it to DC for home games.  Back in the old days I used to go to some road games but its too hard now.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2010, 04:19:57 PM
I really hate this schedule.  I think it makes it very hard to get some momentum and harder for teams to gel.  From a spectator's perspective, its impossible for a lot of people to get to two games in a row on a weekend and a big time commitment.

I understand the reasons for doing it and the academic focus, but I still hate it.
Matt - you do realize this isn't the only conference in the nation with this type of schedule, right? It is actually becoming more and more common for strung-out conferences. If you think this is bad... try the UAA or the SCAC schedule along with travel on for size, then we can talk about hating it. But strong teams come out of the UAA and even the SCAC... so it seams to work for them. And in the NCAA tournament... how do you prepare for that? If anything, this conference has an advantage of others by being used to the type of travel and back-to-back schedules the NCAA tournament brings along with them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2010, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2010, 04:19:57 PM
I really hate this schedule.  I think it makes it very hard to get some momentum and harder for teams to gel.  From a spectator's perspective, its impossible for a lot of people to get to two games in a row on a weekend and a big time commitment.

I understand the reasons for doing it and the academic focus, but I still hate it.
Matt - you do realize this isn't the only conference in the nation with this type of schedule, right? It is actually becoming more and more common for strung-out conferences. If you think this is bad... try the UAA or the SCAC schedule along with travel on for size, then we can talk about hating it. But strong teams come out of the UAA and even the SCAC... so it seams to work for them. And in the NCAA tournament... how do you prepare for that? If anything, this conference has an advantage of others by being used to the type of travel and back-to-back schedules the NCAA tournament brings along with them.

Of course I realize that.  The UAA is a little bit unique given the nature of those schools though..

I can see the benefits from an NCAA preparation standpoint---however, there's no empirical evidence to suggest it makes any kind of difference.  The performance of the Landmark schools in the NCAA so far certainly don't suggest it was any kind of advantage, and from the CAC years I know first hand the "old" schedule was certainly not a hindrance. 

Like I said, I understand the benefits from an academic standpoint.  Still doesn't mean I have to like it.  From a school community standpoint, I think the student body is significantly less engaged than it used to be--Wed/Thurs night games used to draw a big student crowd, weekend games not as much.  I think the same is true at other schools in the league. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 29, 2010, 09:19:20 AM
I have to disagree with the crowd point...at least at SU.  i remember some years back the weekday games were empty.  even back during the good years before the 3-21 season.  Now, if im not mistaken, SU now leads the conference in attendance for these weekend games.  If anything, students prefer them:  it seems they enjoy to engage in some 'nightly activities' before and then attend the game to start off their weekend.  Sounds fun to me! haha   consequently, not only is the crowd bigger, but also rowdier and creates more of a home-court advantage. I have heard some great nicknames the past few years  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 10:09:09 AM
Do fans attend the drew and goucher games?  Don't see it.

I imagine USMMA must be a mad house with the military draw and the support.

Is Moravian still in the Landmark?  I haven't heard anyone make mention of them all season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 29, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 10:09:09 AM

Is Moravian still in the Landmark?  I haven't heard anyone make mention of them all season?

and is this a problem? LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2010, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 10:09:09 AM
Do fans attend the drew and goucher games?  Don't see it.

I imagine USMMA must be a mad house with the military draw and the support.

Is Moravian still in the Landmark?  I haven't heard anyone make mention of them all season?
Susidad? Have you gone to a Goucher game? Where you at the last SU/Goucher game? If you were, good for you... but if you weren't, how can you make that statement. And if you were at the game, then it should be mentioned the Goucher student body just started classes on Monday.

And I am probably speaking for everyone when I ask... can you find a way to stop taking cheap shots when ever you feel like it? It is already really old... not to mention since you seem to be the only "representative" of your school... it looks even worse for SU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 29, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 29, 2010, 09:19:20 AM
I have to disagree with the crowd point...at least at SU.  i remember some years back the weekday games were empty.  even back during the good years before the 3-21 season.  Now, if im not mistaken, SU now leads the conference in attendance for these weekend games.  If anything, students prefer them:  it seems they enjoy to engage in some 'nightly activities' before and then attend the game to start off their weekend.  Sounds fun to me! haha   consequently, not only is the crowd bigger, but also rowdier and creates more of a home-court advantage. I have heard some great nicknames the past few years  :D

I have to back hoopit on this one. Weeknight games at SU were almost always a mausoleum. I can remember times where the visitors would out-draw the home team (Messiah, E-town were two in particular). Friday night games are pretty big and usually Saturday's are a bit smaller, but still pretty good. Definitely a lot more excitement.

I'm glad we got away from the Sunday afternoon games though; those were a big dud.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 29, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2010, 10:59:24 AM

And I am probably speaking for everyone when I ask... can you find a way to stop taking cheap shots when ever you feel like it? It is already really old... not to mention since you seem to be the only "representative" of your school... it looks even worse for SU.

Clearly the -75 karma hasn't made the point to him...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2010, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 29, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
I'm glad we got away from the Sunday afternoon games though; those were a big dud.
There not quite done, Grove... there is one Saturday/Sunday series a season, I believe. Goucher and CUA just played it a few weeks back. It involves Drew/Merchant Marine I think when they travel only. The series will rotate through the different travel weekends, so Goucher and CUA won't see a Sunday game for three more seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 29, 2010, 11:46:07 AM
well in other news, how about this weekends games?
big one tonite in Selinsgrove...i am oh so excited to finally get a close-up glimpse of JB; maybe i'll even get a high five from him and never wash my hand again!!!

but in all seriousness, he has to have a VERY big game for CUA to win i think.  as i've mentioned earlier in the season, CUA's guards just dont match up.  who covers SS? dixon is quick, but majors is quicker. i feel as though the very upbeat tempo that SU plays at just cant be matched by CUA.  we know for sure JB is much more comfortable on the block than on the run.  CUA's only hope (of course, as long as SU decides to show up tonite!) is to control the tempo, slow it way down, and feed JB on the block.  but personally, i cant see that happening. too quick!

anxious to see if scranton is for real now or not.  great weekend last week, but they need to keep it going.  if they do, def. a contender now.  i can potentially see londo's confidence and leadership rubbing off on the younger guys and really putting things together for this team; only time (this weekends games) will show if this happens.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
I agree with Matt on the scheduling. Why not at least play your traveling partner during the week?


Regarding the attendance, Scranton actually  leads the league. USMMA attendance is actually depressing!

ATTENDANCE
Team                 | HOME GAMES  Avg | AWAY GAMES  Avg | NEUT GAMES  Avg | ALL GAMES   Avg |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Catholic             | 10-3100     310 |  6-2099     350 |  2-215      108 | 18-5414     301 |
Drew                 |  9-1514     168 |  7-1617     231 |  2-115       58 | 18-3246     180 |
Goucher              |  8-2624     328 |  6-3241     540 |  3-393      131 | 17-6258     368 |
Juniata              |  8-1697     212 | 10-2593     259 |  0-0          0 | 18-4290     238 |
Merchant Marine      | 11-755       69 |  5-1717     343 |  2-0          0 | 18-2472     137 |
Moravian             |  8-1337     167 |  9-2759     307 |  1-109      109 | 18-4205     234 |
Scranton             | 10-4550     455 |  7-2422     346 |  1-0          0 | 18-6972     387 |
Susquehanna          |  5-2230     446 | 10-2200     220 |  3-425      142 | 18-4855     270 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals               | 69-17807    258 | 60-18648    311 | 14-1257      90 | 115-30124    262 |
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
69 people?    That is crazy.  I wonder what its like at the other military schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 01:27:41 PM
You know, I wonder if one factor for Catholic is its location.

I'm certainly not trying to insult anybody at all, but quite obviously there's a bit more going on in DC than there is in, say, Selinsgrove, PA.  Even going back to my days as a student there, the campus was ALWAYS a ghosttown on weekends.   Most people go out, especially Friday and Sat. nights.  It will come as no surprise to anyone that I wasn't exactly a party animal, but even if you weren't there was a ton of stuff to do in the city.  So it is REALLY hard to attract students to games on the weekend--it always was, even when the team was a national power.  

On the other hand, I can remember some really good Wed/Thurs night crowds.

Who knew Goucher was such a road draw?  The Boston Red Sox of the Landmark!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2010, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
I agree with Matt on the scheduling. Why not at least play your traveling partner during the week?


Regarding the attendance, Scranton actually  leads the league. USMMA attendance is actually depressing!

ATTENDANCE
Team                 | HOME GAMES  Avg | AWAY GAMES  Avg | NEUT GAMES  Avg | ALL GAMES   Avg |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scranton             | 10-4550      455 |  7-2422     346 |  1-0          0 | 18-6972     387 |

And,  in recalling the old days, as I do occasionally, Scranton would get 4000 for the Kings' game alone @ the CYC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
Hey I think it is weak that the crowd isnt filling at games.  Location is not an excuse.  It just means the department is not connecting with the kids.  And the players themselves. 

I am surprised at CUA that the games aren't crowded.  I know at SU, Scranton, Juniata and Moravian, you can walk right to the gym from your dorm. 

Is that the case @ CUA? If not maybe that's a reason.  At SU, the town of Selinsgrove is similar to Durham, NC.  It just shuts down on gamenights.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
The truly sad part of Scranton's leading attendance figure is that at least 350 of the whopping 455 are from the area & not students.
Far more students attend the Lady Royal games & then leave. The connection between the team & students has continued to deteriorate for at least the past 6 years. How a school that once routinely packed the Long Center for mid week games can not crack even 1,000 is telling.
Susiddad you are correct, just about every dorm & apartment is within easy walking distance to the Long Center for approx. 3,000 on campus students. The problem may be there are about 3,000 bars & pubs along the way too!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 29, 2010, 08:14:55 PM
Live from OW Houts - Catholic leads SU at the half, 36-31.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 29, 2010, 11:24:17 PM
CUA was better tonight.  SU cant win if SS doesnt shoot around 40%.  Odd, that we got good looks tonight and didn't convert.  You get the sense that CUA saw this as a revenge game the way they came out. 

Hats off.  No question who was the better team tonight.


JB wasn't that pissed off, he just played hard and smart.  When a good player does that, he is tough to beat.  Hopefully, we meet for a 3rd time and then SS and JB have a bird dominique type duel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 07:10:43 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.

I think Banzhaf is secretly posting as susidad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 30, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.

the crap? what was the crap?  saying he needed to have a big game?he did need to, and he did have one, and they did win.   dunno if that was per say 'crap'.

but what i said early in the season i still believe...he is just not that impressive to watch.  he scores off of plays that his teammates make.  a great drive and dump off to him for a layup.  finishing wide opens bunnies from 5 ft just dont leave you with the feeling like, WOW, gosh, he must get national recognition.  i'm sorry, and you can take as many karma points as you want, but its just my honest opinion! and im not just taking jabs.

catholic very clearly was the better team and deserved to win this game, no doubt about that.  perhaps after saying that you believe that my JB assessment really just is from a non-bias spectaator, basketball fan standpoint.  i could give criticism to many of the SU players as well, but then again, they arent the topic of the 'crap' going on here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 30, 2010, 10:20:15 AM
also, susidad, i think its time you must put the CUA assistant coaches point to rest.   comparing the 4 they had to SUs 3, there really is no room for argument!!
...unless, of course, they dont travel all of their coaches for away games haha
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 30, 2010, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 01:27:41 PM
You know, I wonder if one factor for Catholic is its location.

I'm certainly not trying to insult anybody at all, but quite obviously there's a bit more going on in DC than there is in, say, Selinsgrove, PA.

I know what you mean. Like in Selinsgrove you can walk from your dorm to a local restaurant or 7-11 and not worry about getting fleeced. Or you can drive up Rt. 11 to the local mall and not find what's left of your car on blocks.
Step one foot off CU's campus and you're a memory. Yep that's exciting stuff. DC has the highest crime rate for its population in the world.

Yo Dave, with you being in the media, did you ever hear of Phil "The Thrill" Wood or Al Coker?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Scranton beats USMMA last night breaking away in the second half. For all those who criticize Danzig for not bringing in talent, you have to give him kudos for having his team 1 game out of first place. They have a nice little run going and Danzig and the players deserve credit for not packing it in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Scranton beats USMMA last night breaking away in the second half. For all those who criticize Danzig for not bringing in talent, you have to give him kudos for having his team 1 game out of first place. They have a nice little run going and Danzig and the players deserve credit for not packing it in.
Nepa,
  I think 'those' have higher aspirations than 1st place in the Landmark. May the run continue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 30, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Scranton beats USMMA last night breaking away in the second half. For all those who criticize Danzig for not bringing in talent, you have to give him kudos for having his team 1 game out of first place. They have a nice little run going and Danzig and the players deserve credit for not packing it in.
Nepa,
  I think 'those' have higher aspirations than 1st place in the Landmark. May the run continue.

How many = 'those'?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2010, 01:51:50 PM
Exactly my sentiments last week. I would caution there is still much work to do for the Royals & presuming they get by Drew this afternoon, next weekends D.C./Towson trip will be as good a test as there is to truly see how far this team has come.
Last night there were flashes of the bad habits that had them stuck in neutral for so long...totally relying on the 3. Once they woke up & got Luke Hawk in the game, numerous different opportunities were presented. He (Hawk) gives the Royals points in the paint, he crashes both boards, can hit the 3, has an explosive first step & will drive to the hoop & just as importantly, he takes pressure off Eli to be a one man interrior presence. Once in the game, he was put on MMA great little point Ryan Samuel & due to the size differential, he totally smothered him with excellent D.  
When the Royals had Eli, Luke Hawk, Dan O'Connell, Zack & the freshman Farrell on the floor, they kicked it in & scored from all over the court. That allows the other young 6'8" kid Matt Swawback to fill in really for anyone & keep things moving.
Right now the Royals are doing some nice things & the revival of Luke Hawk is going to be huge going down the stretch. Eli & Ashworth & so focused right now just get out of their way & keep them healthy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Ronk, very observant. A decent record, Landmark playoffs & even another Landmark Championship don't mean very much. The fanbase (those left), are interested in loftier asperations & goals...like finally doing something that was done on a regular basis...winning on the national level.
However, it is what it is & right now winning 3 in a row is far better than where this season appeared to be heading 2 short weeks ago.
As I've said, there is still a ton of work to be done here but, I'll still take an ugly win over a pretty loss.
Rock on Royals, rock on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 30, 2010, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 30, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Scranton beats USMMA last night breaking away in the second half. For all those who criticize Danzig for not bringing in talent, you have to give him kudos for having his team 1 game out of first place. They have a nice little run going and Danzig and the players deserve credit for not packing it in.
Nepa,
  I think 'those' have higher aspirations than 1st place in the Landmark. May the run continue.

How many = 'those'?



Don't crack wise with NEPAFAN. He's a Jets fan you know. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2010, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 30, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Ronk, very observant. A decent record, Landmark playoffs & even another Landmark Championship don't mean very much. The fanbase (those left), are interested in loftier asperations & goals...like finally doing something that was done on a regular basis...winning on the national level.
However, it is what it is & right now winning 3 in a row is far better than where this season appeared to be heading 2 short weeks ago.
As I've said, there is still a ton of work to be done here but, I'll still take an ugly win over a pretty loss.
Rock on Royals, rock on.

come on , another landmark title wouldn't mean that much? They aren't going to emerge on the national scence overnight, it takes time. A conference title would be three in a row a huge accomplishment!  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on January 30, 2010, 07:39:27 PM
Ho-Hum SU wins @ home vs. the Gophers.  Big win in the playoffs.  I am calling it now.  SU backdoors in the playoffs, beats usmma then loses to CUA @ the Cardinals. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on January 30, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
it was basically a battle of who was the more athletic team today in selinsgrove.  basketball wise, pretty so-so.  luckily for SU, they were a little quicker adn little more athletic as a group than goucher.  monstrous numbers for Burke...what sparked him midway thru the season?   i haven't seen 19pts and 18 reb. numbers since last year with JP
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:15:41 PM
Man, if CUA takes care of business @ Moravian and Scranton does the same @ Goucher, then we're looking at a heck of a matchup Saturday--and a very important one.  Hopefully we can get a good crowd at DuFour.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 30, 2010, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 01:27:41 PM
You know, I wonder if one factor for Catholic is its location.

I'm certainly not trying to insult anybody at all, but quite obviously there's a bit more going on in DC than there is in, say, Selinsgrove, PA.

I know what you mean. Like in Selinsgrove you can walk from your dorm to a local restaurant or 7-11 and not worry about getting fleeced. Or you can drive up Rt. 11 to the local mall and not find what's left of your car on blocks.
Step one foot off CU's campus and you're a memory. Yep that's exciting stuff. DC has the highest crime rate for its population in the world.

Yo Dave, with you being in the media, did you ever hear of Phil "The Thrill" Wood or Al Coker?

You'll never believe this, but in big, bad, DC, they have this thing called Metro--they're like trains, really--google it--and it turns out there's a station right there on Catholic's campus!  I know!  And the kids--they use it and everything.  It brings you to the rest of the city, across the river to Virginia and even to the airport!

And btw--my car spent 3 years on campus and except for a unfortunate incident with a Pepsi truck while it was parked (that could have happened anywhere), it was fine.

But whatever...obviously there's not much to do in DC, and clearly CUA basketball is the most exciting thing going on in the whole city, so I must be wrong about why attendance seems lower on the weekends.  Right?
Cause that was my point---not the relative merits of attending school in Washington, DC, or Selinsburg or Scranton or Towson...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 30, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.

the crap? what was the crap?  saying he needed to have a big game?he did need to, and he did have one, and they did win.   dunno if that was per say 'crap'.

but what i said early in the season i still believe...he is just not that impressive to watch.  he scores off of plays that his teammates make.  a great drive and dump off to him for a layup.  finishing wide opens bunnies from 5 ft just dont leave you with the feeling like, WOW, gosh, he must get national recognition.  i'm sorry, and you can take as many karma points as you want, but its just my honest opinion! and im not just taking jabs.

catholic very clearly was the better team and deserved to win this game, no doubt about that.  perhaps after saying that you believe that my JB assessment really just is from a non-bias spectaator, basketball fan standpoint.  i could give criticism to many of the SU players as well, but then again, they arent the topic of the 'crap' going on here.

Not from you.  From your friend. 

I don't care if he's impressive to watch or not.  If he's gonna put up a 23-12 in a big game on the road, he can look however he wants.

For the record btw--I never take karma points.  If you've ever lost 'em, it ain't from me.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2010, 12:08:52 AM
NEPA: I'm just speaking for myself & yes, another Landmark crown & then blasted in the first round of the NCAA's would be fairly worthless to me. Probably nice for the kids but, haven't we seen this movie before?
"They aren't going to arrive on the national scene overnight"? My God, they've had 9 years to figure it out & get back there. Patience is beginning to wear thin for many of "those" still out there & "those" in a position to make some noise.
I'm just happy they are winning the games they are playing right now & hopefully, real soon, they can get the monkey off their backs & do something in the tournement. Barely beating Drew is not something which allows one to begin to entertain thoughts of a nice weekend in the winter wonderland that is southern Virginia in late March.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
I am with you on competing nationally, I guess I am just not as harsh as you! We are 6 years removed from the sweet sixteen run, and I will continue to take conference championships and hope that Danzig can land a few blue chips and we get on a run in the tourney.

In the meantime, what does it say about the rest of the conference that this Scranton team is in contention for the conference title?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2010, 04:13:32 PM
NEPA: I gave coach Danzig & his staff all the credit in the world last week for putting together a game plan that his kids were capable of executing & that would give them their best shot against Catholic. It's sometimes much easier to get ready for the really big games than it is for some mid week game against a school you rarely play. However, it's that consistency that seperates the really good teams from the average ones.
As far as the Sweet 16 run...again, that was done with Coach Bessoir's kids that were seniors. I think you & I could have got that group of kids that far. What many of us are all waiting for is coach Danzig to bring in those 3/4 kids every year that can play & fill voids that are about to become open & challenge those kids already on the team for serious playing time. Thus far in his tenure, that has not happened. How long have people been asking when a point like Drew's Mike Mays arrives? How long for some bangers to come in & provide an inside threat & rebounding to compliment the outside game? I'm not trying to be harsh...just a realist.
The Royals are playing some pretty good ball right now. They go into some funks where the defense gets lost & the offense wants to revert back to old habits but, they are making progress & have been able to make adjustments that prevent these lapses from becoming fatal.

As far as your last question regarding what is says about the rest of the conference...to be perfectly honest, I think it speaks volumes...and not necessarily in a good way. And, that is precisely why recruiting quality kids that can play is so important. A few more players on this team which would then allow others to play their natural positions & the Royals would run away with it. Until then, it's anyones for the taking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 01, 2010, 09:49:06 AM
"also, susidad, i think its time you must put the CUA assistant coaches point to rest.   comparing the 4 they had to SUs 3, there really is no room for argument!!
...unless, of course, they dont travel all of their coaches for away games haha"

- I believe they had one at each of the other 3 landmark games going on and a few out for potential matchups in the tourney.  One of the SU "coaches" is a 16 year old manager.  The Golden State Warriors have 4 assistant coaches. 


- In response to Selinsburg
As for the Selinsburg comment...If you have never been to Selinsburg, don't ever come to Selinsburg, because you would not understand Selinsburg, so stay the  ::)out of Selinsburg.

- In response to JB, all I ever said was that he is the best player in the league this year.  I said last year, that he was not, but I always was careful to mention his age relative to those older.  When it is all said and done this year, I believe he will walk away with the first of two consecutive poy awards, although ss might get in his way next year.  He is responsible for bringing CUA a title next year.  If he happens to get anything this year it is all gravy. 




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
With regard to coaches--these are not exactly full time jobs.   Its not like Catholic has some big budget coaching staff---being in a big metro area, there's a lot of basketball around and a lot of guys looking for these kinds of opportunities.  I don't know really know any of the assistants this year but I know in previous years they had some guys getting degrees, some high school teachers, etc.   

I would think that providing opportunities for younger guys looking to get into coaching would be a good thing--for instance, the top assistant at CUA left after last season, and Coach Howes promoted from within.  Another of the guys last year used it to get a video spot with the LA Clippers.  And so on.  Given that Steve got his job after putting in his time as an assistant, I think he's particularly sensitive to that and tries to help out. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 01, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
It is definitely impressive for him to take those guys on.  Nothing wrong with it.  Sorry if offensive, I only see a little humor in it, but since i am the only one who does, I would let it go and look for it my laughter in other places. 

;D

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 01, 2010, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on January 30, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.

the crap? what was the crap?  saying he needed to have a big game?he did need to, and he did have one, and they did win.   dunno if that was per say 'crap'.

but what i said early in the season i still believe...he is just not that impressive to watch.  he scores off of plays that his teammates make.  a great drive and dump off to him for a layup.  finishing wide opens bunnies from 5 ft just dont leave you with the feeling like, WOW, gosh, he must get national recognition.  i'm sorry, and you can take as many karma points as you want, but its just my honest opinion! and im not just taking jabs.

catholic very clearly was the better team and deserved to win this game, no doubt about that.  perhaps after saying that you believe that my JB assessment really just is from a non-bias spectaator, basketball fan standpoint.  i could give criticism to many of the SU players as well, but then again, they arent the topic of the 'crap' going on here.

Not from you.  From your friend. 

I don't care if he's impressive to watch or not.  If he's gonna put up a 23-12 in a big game on the road, he can look however he wants.


I have to say I agree with both points here. I was at the game and did not see a "wow factor" out of JB. He's a lunk (No disrespect intended, of course). Joel Patch, for example, was smooth and could lay down the dunks, so he was a fan fave.

BUT, as Matt said, Banzhaf got the job done, so who cares how prettily he plays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 01, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
wow means nothing.  wins count.  JB gets plenty for his team.  The truth is, he would make any team in this league a lot better and if he were on SU or USMMA we would be looking at tournament team with sweet 16 potential.

 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 01, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 01, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
wow means nothing.  wins count.  JB gets plenty for his team.  The truth is, he would make any team in this league a lot better and if he were on SU or USMMA we would be looking at tournament team with sweet 16 potential.

 

Oh, now you're going to play nice?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 01, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 01, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
wow means nothing.  wins count.  JB gets plenty for his team.  The truth is, he would make any team in this league a lot better and if he were on SU or USMMA we would be looking at tournament team with sweet 16 potential.

 

Oh, now you're going to play nice?

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 01, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 07:10:43 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2010, 09:11:07 PM
Maybe Banzhaf read all the crap and got ticked off.

I think Banzhaf is secretly posting as susidad.


upon reading his last post, at first, i thought maybe sussidad just had a little man-crush on JB....but your inference is much more fun haha
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 12:09:05 PM
I thought it was ridiculous last year to promote jb as the player of the year.  This year i dont.  Any interestingly enough letourneauaueasueause hasnt campaigned for him. 

Do you know why? 

Becasue this year he doesn't have to and if you do your research, I told all of you last year, it was Patch's award, and that JB would win the next two.

When it comes to matter's like this i am always dead on.  Except for the goucher win over su this year my predictions were pretty much dead on in years past.

so as "crazy as i post"  if you ask the world who wins POY this year, it is Banzhaf, ask the world if Howes self promotion is lie a local politicians, it is.  Ask the world if Scranton does a good job?  they do. 

Ask the SU community how far Marcinek has turned this program around, he has.  No one is more dead on then the SUSIDAD. 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Drew cancels their bball program in the next two years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2010, 12:36:59 PM
Sorry, to date Zach Asworth is player of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:19:35 PM

But whatever...obviously there's not much to do in DC, and clearly CUA basketball is the most exciting thing going on in the whole city, so I must be wrong about why attendance seems lower on the weekends.  Right?
Cause that was my point---not the relative merits of attending school in Washington, DC, or Selinsburg or Scranton or Towson...

There is tons to do in DC. But having to look over my shoulders when doing it just doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
interesting point.  maybe it is ashworth's year. kid can shoot.  id prefer JB though.

First team this season is pretty easy if you ask me.

g - majors
g - ashworth
f - spenser
f -  banzhaf
c - heuber


roy - burke
coy - krikorian
poy - split ashworth and banzhaf
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2010, 02:38:14 PM
Based upon the numbers & how certain kids are playing from an overall basis...I'd have to move Majors out & Eli Londo in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 02, 2010, 02:52:39 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
interesting point.  maybe it is ashworth's year. kid can shoot.  id prefer JB though.

First team this season is pretty easy if you ask me.

g - majors
g - ashworth
f - spenser
f -  banzhaf
c - heuber


roy - burke
coy - krikorian
poy - split ashworth and banzhaf


Marcus???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2010, 03:08:19 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 02, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2010, 11:19:35 PM

But whatever...obviously there's not much to do in DC, and clearly CUA basketball is the most exciting thing going on in the whole city, so I must be wrong about why attendance seems lower on the weekends.  Right?
Cause that was my point---not the relative merits of attending school in Washington, DC, or Selinsburg or Scranton or Towson...

There is tons to do in DC. But having to look over my shoulders when doing it just doesn't sit well with me.

Well, then you probably aren't cut out for the big city.  Fair enough--but that's true for ANY big city.  If you were to stay on Catholic's campus and then take Metro or drive to the other popular parts of the DC area that students frequent (Georgetown, Adams Morgan, Pentagon City)--you'd be just fine.

CUA is in a lousy neighborbood--but there's never really a reason to even go to the neigborhood--not when you have your own Metro stop.

Personally, I'm not a DC lover--its where my industry is located so that's where I live and why I went to school here.   I have much more affection for Boston as a place to live.  I live in the outer suburbs because I prefer suburban life--but as a place to go to school, it was great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 12:09:05 PM
I thought it was ridiculous last year to promote jb as the player of the year.  This year i dont.  Any interestingly enough letourneauaueasueause hasnt campaigned for him. 

Do you know why? 

Becasue this year he doesn't have to and if you do your research, I told all of you last year, it was Patch's award, and that JB would win the next two.



No--because I don't think the award should be pre-ordained and that in a given year it is somebody's "turn" to win it.  I've never believed in that.  Jason WAS the best player in the league last year, and thus deserved to win it.

This year--he hasn't been as consistent.    I knew his numbers would be down a little bit because the offense has better distribution, but he's still struggled a little more often.  I'm not saying he's not POY--I'm saying I don't know.  There's still some key games left and I haven't spent much time looking at other people's numbers.  But I'm not willing to say player x or y should be POY at this point.

I would like to throw Sean Holmes' name out there in the ROY discussion--again, I haven't looked at stats, I'm not even sure where his numbers are--I imagine around 7 ppg--but he's been pretty impressive.

 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
Letttttetttornope.  JB was not the best last year, JP was, and he won the award.

As far as Londo in and Majors out, I think it is Majors time to win in it.  He is leading the league in steals and assists for like the 3rd straight year.  He also has the highest assist to turnover ratio in the league for the second straight year.  That gets my vote after being snubbed last year to a degree.

Londo is a good player, but again, even if the performances were even....Eli Londo was a "bust" up until this year.  Majors has been a starter for 4 years and has earned the accolades.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
Letttttetttornope.  JB was not the best last year, JP was, and he won the award.

As far as Londo in and Majors out, I think it is Majors time to win in it.  He is leading the league in steals and assists for like the 3rd straight year.  He also has the highest assist to turnover ratio in the league for the second straight year.  That gets my vote after being snubbed last year to a degree.

Londo is a good player, but again, even if the performances were even....Eli Londo was a "bust" up until this year.  Majors has been a starter for 4 years and has earned the accolades.




Yeah but it isn't a legacy award for lifetime achievement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2010, 06:50:37 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
Letttttetttornope.  JB was not the best last year, JP was, and he won the award.

As far as Londo in and Majors out, I think it is Majors time to win in it.  He is leading the league in steals and assists for like the 3rd straight year.  He also has the highest assist to turnover ratio in the league for the second straight year.  That gets my vote after being snubbed last year to a degree.

Londo is a good player, but again, even if the performances were even....Eli Londo was a "bust" up until this year.  Majors has been a starter for 4 years and has earned the accolades.


Postseason awards are based the current years performance, not the past.
I'm all for not having the skinny punk, Spencer whatever, on the first unit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 02, 2010, 07:07:07 PM

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I'm all for not having the skinny punk, Spencer whatever, on the first unit.

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that's pretty rude, to make a personal insult on someone, a 19-20 yr old kid, on a public forum.   those who love to take away karma points, now is your time to feast on a comment like that.

besides that point, how could you not have the skinny punk on the first team?   top 3 in scoring.   that shows consistency game in and game out. plus, everyone harps about scoring being everything (matt's whole basis of why JB was POY last year...putting all other stats and impact aside).  name a better shooting guard? (ash is considered a PG)

the top all-stars need to be consistent performers.   there is no way you can say that about londo this season.  last 2 weekends, sure! hes played superb.  before that? is there any consistency in his numbers that amount to impressive season-long stats that warrant top-honors?

as for POY this year, i go with ashworth.  just think--he is the team's playmaker, making the team go and initiating every play on offense---AND HES STILL THE TOP SCORER IN CONFERENCE!   JB scores less than ash finishing off plays from others' hard work.  ashworth does the hard work and the scoring.  basically, he does almost everything to keep that team together and competitive.  if you're looking for criteria for POY, impact on the rest of the team must be one of the top criterion.  you could take JB out and place any other person with his finishing abliity out there to catch passes and finish layups as he does.  besides that, the team would otherwise function the same.   take ashworth out, scranton is a 3-4 win team.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 02, 2010, 07:07:07 PM


I'm all for not having the skinny punk, Spencer whatever, on the first unit.

[/quote]

that's pretty rude, to make a personal insult on someone, a 19-20 yr old kid, on a public forum.   those who love to take away karma points, now is your time to feast on a comment like that.

besides that point, how could you not have the skinny punk on the first team?   top 3 in scoring.   that shows consistency game in and game out. plus, everyone harps about scoring being everything (matt's whole basis of why JB was POY last year...putting all other stats and impact aside).  name a better shooting guard? (ash is considered a PG)

the top all-stars need to be consistent performers.   there is no way you can say that about londo this season.  last 2 weekends, sure! hes played superb.  before that? is there any consistency in his numbers that amount to impressive season-long stats that warrant top-honors?

as for POY this year, i go with ashworth.  just think--he is the team's playmaker, making the team go and initiating every play on offense---AND HES STILL THE TOP SCORER IN CONFERENCE!   JB scores less than ash finishing off plays from others' hard work.  ashworth does the hard work and the scoring.  basically, he does almost everything to keep that team together and competitive.  if you're looking for criteria for POY, impact on the rest of the team must be one of the top criterion.  you could take JB out and place any other person with his finishing abliity out there to catch passes and finish layups as he does.  besides that, the team would otherwise function the same.   take ashworth out, scranton is a 3-4 win team.

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First of all, it was immature of you to solicit posters to take karma away. Give me a break and grow up.
Secondly, a close pal of mine and former SU great told me he would never post on here so I wrote it to draw his ire in hopes of him coming out. Looks like it didn't work. He just phoned me and said, "nice try."
However, despite all his accomplishments, it doesn't change one mans opinion that he is a skinny punk.
As for Scranon being a 3-4 win team without Ashworth, that's what I thought they would be with him this year but this league is very weak and the only people on here that will admit it have been following Division III for a very long time.
This could be Scranton's worse team ever, including the 5-19 squad of a few years back and they had a great low post player in Brian O'Donnell, along with an assortment of promising long range shooters.
Where is the low post presence and promise on this team?
Why are they winning? Read above in reference to weak league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2010, 08:27:07 PM
Worst team ever ?!! Is that a joke?

Although I heard one of Danzig's recruiting contacts dried up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2010, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 02, 2010, 07:07:07 PM


I'm all for not having the skinny punk, Spencer whatever, on the first unit.

[/quote]

that's pretty rude, to make a personal insult on someone, a 19-20 yr old kid, on a public forum.   those who love to take away karma points, now is your time to feast on a comment like that.

besides that point, how could you not have the skinny punk on the first team?   top 3 in scoring.   that shows consistency game in and game out. plus, everyone harps about scoring being everything (matt's whole basis of why JB was POY last year...putting all other stats and impact aside).  name a better shooting guard? (ash is considered a PG)

the top all-stars need to be consistent performers.   there is no way you can say that about londo this season.  last 2 weekends, sure! hes played superb.  before that? is there any consistency in his numbers that amount to impressive season-long stats that warrant top-honors?

as for POY this year, i go with ashworth.  just think--he is the team's playmaker, making the team go and initiating every play on offense---AND HES STILL THE TOP SCORER IN CONFERENCE!   JB scores less than ash finishing off plays from others' hard work.  ashworth does the hard work and the scoring.  basically, he does almost everything to keep that team together and competitive.  if you're looking for criteria for POY, impact on the rest of the team must be one of the top criterion.  you could take JB out and place any other person with his finishing abliity out there to catch passes and finish layups as he does.  besides that, the team would otherwise function the same.   take ashworth out, scranton is a 3-4 win team.



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Well that's kind of the point...there ISN'T anybody that I'm aware of in this league with his finishing ability.  I'm not sure that there's anybody even close. 

And it isn't like he's been playing with all time great guards setting him up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Hoopit.  Don't get too upset over Cold Case's comments.  Just email it to SS and add some fuel to the rivalry.  I don't have a problem with him calling out SS.  That's our guy and I believe he will come thru for us down the stretch (in his so. season) I might add.  So, get used to the skinny punk cold case and know you might want to change your screen name to 2 cold cases looking at the roster you bring back next year.

Patch makes Londo clean his lunch tray and do his laundry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 02, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
no cold case, it is immature for you--knowing that the players from every team read this forum--to pick on a young kid.  gimme a break, and 'grow up'.  pick on someone your own size, isn't that the phrase?  it's one thing for ppl. to critique their basketball skills on here, ya know, since its a bball forum.  but it is totally off the wall to personally attack one's, a kid's nonetheless, physical appearance.   

for all the gripe sussidad gets for his posts (all in fun, not hatred), i'm shocked and puzzled in the fact that i am the only one that finds this comment inappropriate and note-worthy...that's all my point was re: karma points.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 02, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
no cold case, it is immature for you--knowing that the players from every team read this forum--to pick on a young kid.  gimme a break, and 'grow up'.  pick on someone your own size, isn't that the phrase?  it's one thing for ppl. to critique their basketball skills on here, ya know, since its a bball forum.  but it is totally off the wall to personally attack one's, a kid's nonetheless, physical appearance.  

for all the gripe sussidad gets for his posts (all in fun, not hatred), i'm shocked and puzzled in the fact that i am the only one that finds this comment inappropriate and note-worthy...that's all my point was re: karma points.

Now there's a double standard regarding players or posters? It's ok to call him Lettetternope or whatever?
As for me "picking on someone my own size," I can only answer that with two words: How cliche.'
This is a forum, you know, a place where people voice their opinions. It's apparent you're not on this board very long because I've seen people get banned over the years for saying much. much worse. In essence, this pales in comparison.

Quote from: susiddad on February 02, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Hoopit.  Don't get too upset over Cold Case's comments.  Just email it to SS and add some fuel to the rivalry.  I don't have a problem with him calling out SS.  That's our guy and I believe he will come thru for us down the stretch (in his so. season) I might add.  So, get used to the skinny punk cold case and know you might want to change your screen name to 2 cold cases looking at the roster you bring back next year.

Patch makes Londo clean his lunch tray and do his laundry.

And the double-standards continue. Now your insulting cafeteria employees and dry cleaners.
I don't know who Patch is, I guess you're referring to a former player. Do you really want to compare past performers of both schools?
Also, why would I want to change my screen name at the roster Scranton brings back next year? They're actually bringing more back next year, by far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 03, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
Can't we all just get along?? *holds up lighter and sings Kumbayah"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 03, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
Can't we all just get along?? *holds up lighter and sings Kumbayah"

Vox populi....yes, I agree with ya.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 03, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
too cliche?? then here's the point.  [im assuming that] you are an adult.  act like it. adults dont pick on kids.

you know you're in the wrong; the discussion will stop here...we dont want any more of the cafeteria workers and launders reading this forum to get offended.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 12:40:44 PM
hoopit, you are right.  but when you engage an idiot (coldcase) you cant win.  karma has nothing to do with intelligence, it is two morons constantly patting themselves on the back. 

none of the revolutionary posters counted karma or viewed it as a  worthy standard of excellence.

I defend SS,  cold case.  He is a better player as a sophomore as you were as a senior.  for the record hoopit, it is a little wrong to call him out as a kid, but who cares?  id sooner him call him out for his appearance rather than his performance.  becuase we will certainly be keeping an eye on his good friend londo this weekend.  hope he puts up a strong performance.  id hate to see the su fans come down on him....(with the exception of the grove) who offers nothing. :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 03, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
Aw darn, there goes the niceness...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 12:40:44 PM

id sooner him call him out for his appearance rather than his performance.  

Great use of the english language.
By the way, how many times will Casanova pose should he hit a three-pointer.
Yeah, that's class.
Case closed!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 03, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 12:40:44 PM

id sooner him call him out for his appearance rather than his performance. 

Great use of the english language.


Speaking of.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 03, 2010, 03:24:02 PM
Aw, yes!  Brings back wonderful memories of the CAC board, with the exception of somebody other than Catholic is receiving some hits.  It's good to share the pain!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 03:28:44 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 03, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 03, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 12:40:44 PM

id sooner him call him out for his appearance rather than his performance. 

Great use of the english language.


Speaking of.....

Depends on how you phrase the word
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 03, 2010, 03:24:02 PM
Aw, yes!  Brings back wonderful memories of the CAC board, with the exception of somebody other than Catholic is receiving some hits.  It's good to share the pain!

I know, I'm just sitting back and watching the show.  Usually I'm the one under heavy artillery.

Looks like a big storm coming this weekend--I wonder if some games will get cancelled.  I would imagine that the Scranton trip south is in serious jeopardy at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2010, 03:35:46 PM
 You SU guys wouldn't be able to hack it in the old MAC Freedom board.



What is the league policy with cancellations? Big storm coming to the East Coast this weekend. Just curious if anyone has any insight!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
NEPAFAN... don't know if there is a policy... but I know there are already discussions. And I have already raised my suggestion to solve the problem and keep teams off the roads for Friday and Saturday.

Move the games to the final weekend of the season. Yes, the "travel-partner" games are this weekend, but that is an easy fix. Move those games to earlier in the week (Tuesday and Wednesday) and that frees up the weekend for these travel games. It will keep everyone from trying to figure out where two long trips will be inserted into the middle of weeks when there is already a lot of travel on the weekends.

And this gets me to a point I have been meaning to bring up. Matt, you keep talking about the weekend games and attendance and understanding the academic side but not agreeing with it. Take academics out of it all together. There is a lot of time spent on buses in this league. You cannot expect Catholic to travel to Scranton, Moravian, Drew, or Kings Point in the middle of a week for a game. That is at least three hours, if not four, ONE WAY for a game. That means teams aren't returning until 2 am on average (if not later) for half of their conference away games.

Now, to avoid the 6 or more hours on the bus while also playing a game in the middle, you want those games on the weekends. If you still want to play during the week, that means playing your closest games during the week. But that means Catholic and Goucher would always play each other on a Wednesday. Same for Scranton and Moravian and Kings Point and Drew... that isn't really fair.

So the remedy that keeps teams from missing too many classes, avoids teams returning at 2 or 3 in the morning from their longest trips, and makes playing games easier is to play back-to-back games on the weekends. I hope that all makes sense... this isn't an academic-only arguement... its also a travel and well-being one... and for this league this is truely the best option it could have.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 04:04:05 PM
Or we could just have drew goucher and moravian just forfeit the games they are invovled in and play the rest.

As for SS, anyone who knows him, knows he doesn't go buy Casanova.  He will pose plenty for hobo's at Scranton shortly. 

Please note next year and for more to come, I will be lumping Scranton in with Drew's Goucher's etc....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: susiddad on February 03, 2010, 04:04:05 PM
Or we could just have drew goucher and moravian just forfeit the games they are invovled in and play the rest.

As for SS, anyone who knows him, knows he doesn't go buy Casanova.  He will pose plenty for hobo's at Scranton shortly. 

Please note next year and for more to come, I will be lumping Scranton in with Drew's Goucher's etc....




Why don't you concentrate on having your boys actually win something first?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2010, 04:17:54 PM
Why should Goucher forfeit their game with Scranton when the Royals are something like 1-8 on the road this year? Remember... every game actually affects other teams in the league more this season then in years past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
Dmac,
   Your suggestion for the potentially-postponed games sounds great to me and could be used as the choice for the 1st set of games to be postponed in any year. If there were multiple weekends of postponements, they'd need a plan B, but this would take care of the 1st weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
NEPAFAN... don't know if there is a policy... but I know there are already discussions. And I have already raised my suggestion to solve the problem and keep teams off the roads for Friday and Saturday.

Move the games to the final weekend of the season. Yes, the "travel-partner" games are this weekend, but that is an easy fix. Move those games to earlier in the week (Tuesday and Wednesday) and that frees up the weekend for these travel games. It will keep everyone from trying to figure out where two long trips will be inserted into the middle of weeks when there is already a lot of travel on the weekends.

And this gets me to a point I have been meaning to bring up. Matt, you keep talking about the weekend games and attendance and understanding the academic side but not agreeing with it. Take academics out of it all together. There is a lot of time spent on buses in this league. You cannot expect Catholic to travel to Scranton, Moravian, Drew, or Kings Point in the middle of a week for a game. That is at least three hours, if not four, ONE WAY for a game. That means teams aren't returning until 2 am on average (if not later) for half of their conference away games.

Now, to avoid the 6 or more hours on the bus while also playing a game in the middle, you want those games on the weekends. If you still want to play during the week, that means playing your closest games during the week. But that means Catholic and Goucher would always play each other on a Wednesday. Same for Scranton and Moravian and Kings Point and Drew... that isn't really fair.

So the remedy that keeps teams from missing too many classes, avoids teams returning at 2 or 3 in the morning from their longest trips, and makes playing games easier is to play back-to-back games on the weekends. I hope that all makes sense... this isn't an academic-only arguement... its also a travel and well-being one... and for this league this is truely the best option it could have.

I agree about the solution to cancelling games.

I'm not totally against weekend games--certainly not.  But I do think it'd be nice to sprinkle some weeknight games in once and a while.  I don't get your argument that it would be unfair to play your closest games during the week.  Why? 

I think it makes sense to do the longer trips the way they've been doing them.  But plenty of leagues do 3-4 hour trips on weeknights--DC to Salisbury wasn't exactly 20 minutes. 

Also, keep in mind I was saying this in the context of explaining why I thought attendance was down.  Regardless of whether there is a better alternative or not, I do think the league schedule is contributing to lack of interest from students and fans.  Maybe that's just part of the package when these teams signed up for it, but I for one miss having a charged atmosphere at big league games.  I don't really think that rivalries that involve the student bodies are ever going to develop.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2010, 05:02:18 PM
First: Dave, a very logical fix. Hope the league goes for it.
Second: Susiddad: Not that this league is really quite where it wants to be nor have all of the teams in it reached their full potential but, talk the smack when SU actually cuts the nets. As much as I bitch about the Royals not being where they should be, the guys from your fine institution have had some pretty good talent in the past few years with not a whole lot to show for it. And, lumping the Royals in with the 2 schools you've mentioned is fine with me. Both Drew & Goucher have some outstanding young talent & will be a factor in the next few years (save this Cold Case). As for the Crusaders, they've failed to get it done 2 years ago when Mr. Cannon led the # 4 seed Juniata team into Houts & dropped them & then last year another disappointment vs. a far less talented...you guessed it, Scranton team. Talk is cheap, get it done. And, by the way, should Londo keep playing like he has...he's in. Now go study.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2010, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
I'm not totally against weekend games--certainly not.  But I do think it'd be nice to sprinkle some weeknight games in once and a while.  I don't get your argument that it would be unfair to play your closest games during the week.  Why? 

I think it makes sense to do the longer trips the way they've been doing them.  But plenty of leagues do 3-4 hour trips on weeknights--DC to Salisbury wasn't exactly 20 minutes. 

Also, keep in mind I was saying this in the context of explaining why I thought attendance was down.  Regardless of whether there is a better alternative or not, I do think the league schedule is contributing to lack of interest from students and fans.  Maybe that's just part of the package when these teams signed up for it, but I for one miss having a charged atmosphere at big league games.  I don't really think that rivalries that involve the student bodies are ever going to develop.
Matt - my point that it isn't fair is simple... would you want to know that Catholic and Goucher would never play on weekends if the schedule was shortest-distance for weekdays, longest-distance for weekends? You would only see Scranton, Moravian, Merchant Marine, and Drew on weekends. And for that matter, some games may not be played in different parts of the season meaning some teams may get easier finishes to the season then others every year.

Scheduling is about being fair to each team, year in and year out... you can't just slot half the schedule to weekdays and half of it to weekends and have it be the same half every year. And you could say that the fact some teams woudl always play certain teams while in the middle of the academic week while others only play on academic days off wouldn't be fair either simply because of the distractions and pressure of weekday games.

As for your example of CUA playing Salisbury... that is a two hour trip... and the longest on CUA's CAC schedule (except maybe York). That is ONE trip for each squad. We are talking about four trips of an hour or two longer (CUA to Merchant Marine is four hours minimum each way)... that is a lot to ask for any team, especially in the middle of the week.

Finally, because of the time off needed to accomodate a trip from DC to NYC for a game in the week, you might as well expect a student to miss a full day of school. 7:30 pm game time, team is probably leaving at 1 pm on average (earlier if they are traveling with the women's team as well) and then returning at probably 2:30 am. That means they are missing a half-day on the day of the game and I can't imagine they will make it to the first half of the next day's classes. (Though, I do realize there could be some truely dedicated student-athletes that will get to that 8am class on just a couple of hours of sleep.)

I understand some don't like the weekend-only games, but it makes the most sense for this conference. On top of the fact, these schools got together in-part because of the academic expections at each institution... saying that doesn't matter over a trip to DC/NYC twice a year seems backwards.

And it seems many schools are doing fine with weekend games, attendance wise - Goucher even!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 03, 2010, 05:02:18 PM
First: Dave, a very logical fix. Hope the league goes for it.
saratoga - just thinking that the decision is to not get the teams on the road and then realize Saturday's games are too dangerous. Make the decision early and just reschedule everything. Plus the fact, I may end up at the TV station for most of the weekend covering the storm (December's blizzard saw me at the station from 5am to 6pm on a Saturday, including 9 hours in the control room)... and I rather not miss a chance to see Scranton or Moravian because of the storm! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
Middle Atlantic Region
1. Albright 14-1 16-2
2. Lycoming 12-3 16-3
3. Cabrini 16-2 16-2
4. Franklin and Marshall 16-3 16-3
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 13-3 16-3
6. Elizabethtown 13-5 13-5
7. York (Pa.) 14-4 15-4
8. Alvernia 11-4 13-6
9. Catholic 13-4 15-5
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
Can someone explain how usmma can be in the landmark but be in the Atlantic region?


Also, if I recall cold case is an SU alum , so he can critize all he wants.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2010, 09:15:35 PM
Atlantic Region
1. William Paterson 19-1 20-1
2. Merchant Marine 15-4 16-4
3. Ramapo 14-4 15-5
4. York (N.Y.) 13-5 16-5
5. Richard Stockton 14-5 14-6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 10:29:34 AM
This isn't new... Merchant Marine was originally in the Atlantic Region and when the Landmark was created, we knew the conference would probably stratle both regions.

Now-a-days, with the way regional games are determined and how more conferences are stratling regional lines, it actually means nothing which region the conference is in. Games in conference, in-region, within 200 miles, and inside the NCAA's administrative regions are all considered regional games.

So while a few years ago it might have mattered where the conference was "placed"... it doesn't any more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2010, 12:40:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 10:29:34 AM
This isn't new... Merchant Marine was originally in the Atlantic Region and when the Landmark was created, we knew the conference would probably stratle both regions.

Now-a-days, with the way regional games are determined and how more conferences are stratling regional lines, it actually means nothing which region the conference is in. Games in conference, in-region, within 200 miles, and inside the NCAA's administrative regions are all considered regional games.

So while a few years ago it might have mattered where the conference was "placed"... it doesn't any more.


Okay, I can live with that. Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2010, 04:15:21 PM
Now they're calling for 4-8 inches of snow in Selinsgrove. I'm starting to wonder about our games, at least on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
To answer myself... sort of...

D3Hoops just tweeted: Entire weekend basketball schedule for Landmark Conference joins previous weather postponements.

But SU SID Bob Healy tells me Susquehanna's games are still on. At least Friday. We'll have to see about Saturday.

So who's postponed? CUA and Goucher, I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 05:42:53 PM
I know the Goucher and Catholic games are off... and apparently Susquehanna is still playing both this weekend.

Personally, I feel this is a horrible idea. It would be far safer to keep teams on their campuses then send the buses out into what could be a very bad winter storm. We are expecting up to two feet of snow in the Baltimore area - and that is the "average" forecast... things could change and get far worse. The storm is expect to start as early as 10am on Friday and last through late Saturday night. I am not sure who thinks they can travel from NYC to Susquehanna during the storm Friday... play a game... then travel through the storm Saturday to the next game... and then travel home afterwards and do it safely.

And apparently the easy plan I thought of wasn't good enough for some in the conference. So, Goucher will make up the Scranton game on Monday evening... and then Morvian game on Tuesday, Feb. 16th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2010, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 05:42:53 PM
I know the Goucher and Catholic games are off... and apparently Susquehanna is still playing both this weekend.

Personally, I feel this is a horrible idea. It would be far safer to keep teams on their campuses then send the buses out into what could be a very bad winter storm. We are expecting up to two feet of snow in the Baltimore area - and that is the "average" forecast... things could change and get far worse. The storm is expect to start as early as 10am on Friday and last through late Saturday night. I am not sure who thinks they can travel from NYC to Susquehanna during the storm Friday... play a game... then travel through the storm Saturday to the next game... and then travel home afterwards and do it safely.

And apparently the easy plan I thought of wasn't good enough for some in the conference. So, Goucher will make up the Scranton game on Monday evening... and then Morvian game on Tuesday, Feb. 16th.

Wow, I hadn't heard that part. We're hearing it won't start here til evening. I'm thinking the thinking is that Drew/USMMA can get to Huntingdon/Selinsgrove before the storms hit, and that the snow won't be so bad that they can't make the switch Saturday morning. Going home may be another matter...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
Well... a Winter Storm Warning is up for the Baltimore region from 10AM Friday to 10PM Saturday... and I know that the National Weather Service is predicting 18-24 inches right now... but that could all change in the next 12 hours if the storm slows down (some forecast models say it will). I know Huntingdn/Selinsgrove aren't in the Baltimore area... but the storm will impact those areas and certainly the travel between there and NYC/Northern NJ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Good lord. Why is it that when I lived in the DC area, I never got snow and PA did, but now that I live up here, DC gets all the snow???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2010, 06:12:07 PM
Right now the Landmark schedule has only the Mor-CUA games postponed on Friday and both Goucher & CUA games on Saturday; Scr-Goucher still on for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:16:13 PM
According to the Scranton release:
Toby Lovecchio, director of athletics at The University of Scranton, has announced that this weekend's basketball games against Goucher College and The Catholic University of America this Friday and Saturday, February 5 and 6, respectively, have been rescheduled due to heavy snow forecasted for the Washington, DC, metropolitan area.
            Scranton will take on Goucher this Monday, February 8, at the Sports and Recreation Center in Baltimore, Maryland, with the women's game set for 5:30 p.m., followed by the men at 7:30 p.m.
            Scranton will make up its games against Catholic University on Tuesday, February 16, at the DuFour Center in Washington, DC, at 5:30 p.m. (women) and 7:30 p.m. (men).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
The Goucher games again Moravian are schedule for Tuesday, Feb. 16th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2010, 06:19:17 PM
Dmac,
  thanks for the Scranton AD release; again, your suggestion for the final weekend makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
Good for the ADs at Scranton, Moravian, Catholic and Goucher for making a timely, common sense decision.

As for the rest...if you can't say something nice...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 04, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
play ball!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2010, 11:12:41 PM
At least I'm going to get my wish and get a weeknight league home game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2010, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
Good for the ADs at Scranton, Moravian, Catholic and Goucher for making a timely, common sense decision.

As for the rest...if you can't say something nice...

Not to defend, necessarily, but we're a little cynical about snow around here. We were unscathed by the Blizzard of '09.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2010, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2010, 11:12:41 PM
At least I'm going to get my wish and get a weeknight league home game. 


Yeah and I am sure Scranton is going to be really happy about that 5 hour bus ride!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 05, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
5 hour bus ride.  Maybe the staff will like it and start recruiting out of the greater Scranton area!   8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2010, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: susiddad on February 05, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
5 hour bus ride.  Maybe the staff will like it and start recruiting out of the greater Scranton area!   8-)

Nah, too many skinny punks called Casanova who pose behind the three-point arc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
I passed the AD on the path awhile ago and she said we're still on. Healy is talking about tomorrow's games (it's the women's Pink Zone game and Pepsi Day) with no intimation that they won't happen.

Just passing along the info. Don't shoot the messenger. Useful enough for ya, susiddad?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 05, 2010, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: susiddad on February 05, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
5 hour bus ride.  Maybe the staff will like it and start recruiting out of the greater Scranton area!   8-)

Nah, too many skinny punks called Casanova who pose behind the three-point arc.

waaaaaaaaaahhhh.   would love to know your personal vendetta against the kid; just very odd. 

if you shot like him, you would pose too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2010, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 11:32:57 AM

waaaaaaaaaahhhh.   would love to know your personal vendetta against the kid; just very odd. 
if you shot like him, you would pose too.

I have nothing against the youngster but it gets you two riled up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
if im not mistaken, last i heard i think The Mod is RIP

current conditions from Selinsgrove: NO SNOW

forecast: 3-5 inches OVERNITE

should we play? YES

please forgive us, matt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2010, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
if im not mistaken, last i heard i think The Mod is RIP

current conditions from Selinsgrove: NO SNOW

forecast: 3-5 inches OVERNITE

should we play? YES

please forgive us, matt?

I think the concern was not what the conditions are in Selinsgrove, but what the conditions are en route from where teams are traveling.  Perhaps they will be fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2010, 03:27:28 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
if im not mistaken, last i heard i think The Mod is RIP

current conditions from Selinsgrove: NO SNOW

forecast: 3-5 inches OVERNITE

should we play? YES

please forgive us, matt?

hoopit, have you ever driven from Selinsgrove to Huntingdon or vice versa? 522 and 322 aren't the nicest roads. I don't like the thought of what even 3-5 inches will do (and it could be 4-8 depending on who you listen to).

PS - Check the radar - it's already creeping up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2010, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2010, 04:08:31 PM
Was that a moderator-induced sabbatical? :)

Ronk again, I mean wrong again. ;D
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2010, 09:24:18 AM
 Merchant Marine  69  Susquehanna  59  Final   
   Drew  48  Juniata  66  Final 


Too bad that snow didn't hammer central PA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 06, 2010, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2010, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 05, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
if im not mistaken, last i heard i think The Mod is RIP

current conditions from Selinsgrove: NO SNOW

forecast: 3-5 inches OVERNITE

should we play? YES

please forgive us, matt?

I think the concern was not what the conditions are in Selinsgrove, but what the conditions are en route from where teams are traveling.  Perhaps they will be fine.
the only concern is, as thegrove mentioned, is the drive to juniata---those country roads..

both teams are going home to the north-- didnt see snow til they got here, and will soon not see any snow when they get back around I 80 and further east.   if im not mistaken, scranton saw barely any snow (help me out here cold_heart, how is it in scranton   :P  sorry, just had to, susidad is wearing off on me)   as logn as both teams have made it to their destinations today, theyll be glad to get out of here and back home!

as far as reflections yesterday, there is no way usmma does not win this conference.  ive seen all of the teams now, and how they perform on the road.  and in order, usmma, catholic/SU (see how cath does on LI) then scranton, as far as playoff teams go.  SU will likely hold down the 4 spot (lose at scranton), meaning another matchup with usmma AT usmma---not a great outlook
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Heads up Susquehanna fans...the Goucher Gophers are on your proverbial playoff heels.
The game on Monday with Scranton should be a battle. The last meeting in Scranton was a tale of two halves...the Royals looking very good in the 1st. & Goucher really stepping up in the 2nd.
The million dollar question remains...can Scranton win a big game on the road???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2010, 08:17:05 PM
34 inches of snow later...my back hurts.

And guess what--those games Tuesday may not happen.  More snow coming.  Could be as much as 10 inches.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2010, 08:31:32 PM
Wow too bad Juniata couldn't pull off the upset. 57-55...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 06, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
They had quite a few opportunities to do just that at the end of the game, but couldn't pull if off. Samuels stepped up in the end for MerchMar.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2010, 09:49:28 PM
And the beauty of all this Matt is that Northeast Pa. has been spared both of these monster storms...for once! Not a single flurry has fallen from the Scranton area north into Binghamton, NY. Life is good, be careful. Hope OPACY is ready for opening day!
NEPA...you are right, how nice would have a Juniata win over MMA been? Still, the Royals control their own destiny.
Gophers are nipping at Crusaders & are smelling blood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2010, 10:42:26 AM
Is Goucher the only school without live stats/video/or audio?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2010, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2010, 10:42:26 AM
Is Goucher the only school without live stats/video/or audio?

Yeah, and they have a guy who is supposedly "in" the media. Doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
That's not fair. 

First, he's not "supposedly in" the media, he does work in the media.

Second, he announces their games.  Live stats/video cost money.  I'm sure if Goucher wanted to spend it on that, he could help, but it isn't like he's in charge and makes those kinds of decision.

I think its legit to criticize Goucher for having no live/stats video feed, but not D-Mac.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
I was just making an observation!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
First off... I don't think there are games scheduled for Tuesday this week... just Monday (unless Catholic is playing Tuesday). It is the following Tuesday when the second part of the make games will be played... so we might be able to playing tomorrow night. However, we are still digging out (my back and arms hurt from shoveling after putting in nearly a 12 hour day at work Saturday) from one of the worst storms I have ever seen hit this area... or I have seen in my life - which is saying something since I grew up in Chicago, Down East Maine, and went a couple years of high school in the Berkshire Mountains of Connecticut.

As for me "supposedly" being in media... that's actually my paying job, cold_case. I am a producer for the ABC affiliate in Baltimore. I started in sports and have been in news for a total of 9 years (6 1/2 in news). I could give you an idea of my responsibilities if you want, but I promise you I am not just padding a resume with this job.

As for Goucher, they don't have live stats or audio and some of it has to do with the IT department from what I have learned. I know they have tried for several seasons to have live stats, it has just been a challenge for whatever reasons. I have been on them about adding live stats, it just hasn't happened. They have made efforts this year to update during games from a blog done courtside which I know they take seriously.

As for audio, a few years ago a radio station was formed on the campus (you may remember Hoopsville broadcast from that station for a few seasons) and there were efforts to call games... however, that has fallen a part as students on campus don't seem to be interested in calling the games. I have talked about finding ways to resurect audio/video for games and it could be in the future.

Now, while I am in the media and I am the PA announcer at the college (now in my 15th season), I don't make the executive decisions for these options. With budget cut backs affecting all college athletic departments, so things haven't been a priority. It doesn't mean they ignore these options... just haven't been able to do it.

All of that being said... taking a pot-shot at me... for the fact Goucher doesn't have some luxuries is childish. I am paid by the college to announce and while it is my alma mater, what I want to see doesn't translate into what can be accomplished. Making a comment about my role in media and alluding that it should affect what Goucher does is stupid. Don't pretend you can be funny and just take a pot shot with out any recourse. Think before you right... I don't take shots at you... there is no reason to take shots at me - and for that matter my alma mater for something this trivial.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2010, 11:01:49 PM
I don't know how/if it affects the game tomorrow night, but Catholic University, like the rest of Washington, is closed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 07, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
Lucky...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 08, 2010, 10:18:38 AM
D-Mac,

thanks for the explanation.  You should send your resume over to CUA, they can make you look Springfield Bound!!!!

JK.  I think it is fun sometimes, to NOT be able to keep track and then just get the score.  Heightens emotions sometimes.

I fear the GOPHERS for one. 

That last home game vs the Eagles will be for the playoffs.

Hopefully Cannon will stay home with Ferko and no-show.

Don't need the mystique in the gym
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
SU/Drew game on Saturday, how come Spenser didn't play?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 10:40:29 AM
Does cold_case actually contribute to this board or does he just take shots at people?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
SU/Drew game on Saturday, how come Spenser didn't play?

*shrug* He was in street clothes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
Pat - I think he just takes shots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2010, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
Pat - I think he just takes shots.

What's your point??

On the contributing side, Scranton's Luke Hawk is playing with fracture on his non-shooting hand.
And, Colts WR Pierre Garcon of Mt. Union became the first D-III player to score a touchdown in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 10:49:34 AM
Incorrect. Check D3football.com.

My thinly veiled point is we don't need that kind of participation and even though you've been on the board a long time, that doesn't mean you are necessary to the board's operation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 10:49:34 AM
Incorrect. Check D3football.com.

My thinly veiled point is we don't need that kind of participation and even though you've been on the board a long time, that doesn't mean you are necessary to the board's operation.

Pat, if you want to ban me, then ban me, ok? I'm not the guy that started all the recent flaming. Also, if you're pointing to me as a troublemaker, then you should shut down the Liberty League Football board. It's loaded with flamers.
In fact, I'll take myself off here and not post again, wow!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 11:00:34 AM
Thanks -- I don't hear the "but he started it" argument nearly enough from my three children.

I believe su sid dad has been warned as well, so spare me the histrionics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
SU/Drew game on Saturday, how come Spenser didn't play?

*shrug* He was in street clothes.


So an injury or disciplinary reasons?

As far as the ban issues, susisdad and Cold_heart have actually given the board some life and haven't really said anything I haven't seen on countless other message boards.  I thought that was the point of Karma, so we can self police ourselves?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 08, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Good grief, i'm probably just t'd off about Wednesday's forecast, but can't this particular board get back to that original "Like-minded" philosophy?  Heck, especially with Valentine's Day right around the corner.  Do i ever miss those Scranton posters - poor Pat back in those days probably wondered why he ever started D3 Hoops  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
FYI - Goucher's campus might be closed... but the games against Scranton is moving forward. Can't wait for the Scranton folks to see all the snow we are getting... and then imagine the 12-20 inches we are going to get Tuesday into Wednesday... and the possibility of ANOTHER storm this coming weekend.

I will be there tonight... just hope I stay awake!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
SU/Drew game on Saturday, how come Spenser didn't play?

*shrug* He was in street clothes.


So an injury or disciplinary reasons?


What I heard, FWIW, is that he was late to the shootaround and got benched.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
Dave: that is some pretty intense snow accumulation.
I think the "Fear the Gopher" tee shirts may be a hit. You can only fear the 'turtle" so long.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2010, 02:26:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
FYI - Goucher's campus might be closed... but the games against Scranton is moving forward. Can't wait for the Scranton folks to see all the snow we are getting... and then imagine the 12-20 inches we are going to get Tuesday into Wednesday... and the possibility of ANOTHER storm this coming weekend.

I will be there tonight... just hope I stay awake!

So what does closed mean? do you expect to park next to the gym or will we have to walk back there?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 08, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Thats a cheap shot coleman.  I play within the rules.  Warnings are a little authoritative for a moderator. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2010, 04:20:41 PM
Closed in the sense that no classes took place today... but the game is still on. I know they are working to get the parking lots as cleared as possible around the SRC... and that they have also worked on the access to the SRC (which is no longer a problem).

I would say be prepared to walk... but I suspect they might be able to get some of the parking resolved. 28-30 inches of snow on a parking lot that already had cars in it is a challenge, not to mention the construction work that was already causing a challenge in part of the parking lot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
susiddad -- I see you have returned to grind the same axes as last year.

Your act is tired, and this is your official warning. Continuing to grind your axe will result in your removal from the site of competition, so to speak.

sussiddad: Not sure why anyone would think it's a cheap shot to accurately portray something that I have said.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 08, 2010, 06:23:14 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 08, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2010, 10:34:25 AM
SU/Drew game on Saturday, how come Spenser didn't play?

*shrug* He was in street clothes.


So an injury or disciplinary reasons?


What I heard, FWIW, is that he was late to the shootaround and got benched.


I also heard the same thing from a very reliable source.

On a positive note, I believe the Crusaders are looking towards another playoff berth! Tough game at Scranton this weekend, but i think they should be able to handle their final two games and secure the four seed.

If that is how it shakes out it looks as though they will face the daunting task of traveling hours to play a very tough MM team.  MM will be out for revenge after last year's playoffs.

Any opinions on how the playoffs will form, and eventually shake down?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 08, 2010, 09:34:56 PM
1. MerchMar v. 4.Susqu
2. CUA v. 3. Scranton

1.MerchMar v. 3.Scranton

MerchMar-Champ

1st team
Samuels
Ashworth
Londo
Banzhaf
Spencer
Heuber
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Soooo....did Catholic even play tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2010, 10:54:14 PM
Apparently not.

Scranton over Goucher, 61-54.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2010, 11:46:25 PM
Wow...the Royals finally get a win on the road. Not too shabby considering all the little things that could have ended up as a distraction. In addition, the fighting Gophers were starting to play some decent ball themselves. All things considered, a very good night for the Royals. Well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 11:55:07 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2010, 10:54:14 PM
Apparently not.

Yeah, hard to tell the way that the home team doesn't seem to care to update its own Web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 09, 2010, 12:31:00 AM
First things first. While we have not gotten a flake of snow yet up here in Scranton, I wish all the best to everyone who has seen more than enough of the white stuff. I have fmaily in the greater DC area, and I wish all the best to everyone for a safe, happy, and warm snowstorm experience  :)

Now, I don't have any active participation in this league- never did, in fact. But if someone wants to rip on our buddy "d-mac" then I need to chip in with my own two cents. I spent four outstanding years in a role very simlar to his, in two different sports...only difference was I was behind the video camera, rather than the microphone. But it is that work which makes the game possible- a good announcer can make or break the difference betwene a good game and a great game for me. I must say that the Marts Center had one of the best in Mike Frantz, until he and his wife (my college advisor) left to pursue bigger and better things. But before anyone launches a tirade on the support guys, take a moment and try to appreciate some of the hard work that happens behind the scenes.

I have never met "d-mac" myself, in fact we never had a single contest against his school that I can remmeber in my four years in blue and gold. And if he is as immersed in that "like-minded" punchline as some people, he may think his alma mater is a cut or two above mine.....I really don't give a care on that point. But Dave, from one sideline dude to another, keep up the good work- it is appreciated by everyone in the gym on any given afternoon/evening.

Lastly, regarding live stats, I am suprised that the Landmark did not follow the lead of the MAC (as painful as that may be) and make live stats mandatory. I know the MAC has that rule for football, and I believe for men's and women's hoops as well. No doubt there are many talented, dedicated, harworking people in the SID offices at the member schools who can use it, so here's to the administration craking a bit of those $100 million endowments to buy a live stats system :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 12:46:14 AM
The MAC should use the tools at its disposal to promote those mandatory live stats out to the national D-III audience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2010, 12:50:43 AM
  Royals played pretty well tonight; team defense was pretty good. Goucher had some aggressive post players which led to many fouls, but perimeter defense and double-teams were effective.
  Negatives were numerous unforced turnovers and failure to inbound to Zach(best foul shooter) in final minute; he even was passing it in instead of receiving it one of those times.
  Zach shot well and had 8 rebounds,also. Eli hit a big 3 when Goucher had closed to 6 with 8 min to go. Coach followed with a great timeout when Hawk was losing balance on sideline and saved a turnover.
  Couple of friends officiated the game, but I missed them afterwards and didn't get to discuss the game. Exchanged a few thoughts with Dmac-even got to see Dmac,Jr. Had to pass up the 3-pt halftime competition- still on injured reserve which kept  me from making the shot at Messiah 2 weeks ago.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
susiddad -- I see you have returned to grind the same axes as last year.

Your act is tired, and this is your official warning. Continuing to grind your axe will result in your removal from the site of competition, so to speak.

sussiddad: Not sure why anyone would think it's a cheap shot to accurately portray something that I have said.


I believe he has issues with making it public. Probably a valid criticism.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2010, 12:50:43 AM
  Royals played pretty well tonight; team defense was pretty good. Goucher had some aggressive post players which led to many fouls, but perimeter defense and double-teams were effective.
  Negatives were numerous unforced turnovers and failure to inbound to Zach(best foul shooter) in final minute; he even was passing it in instead of receiving it one of those times.
  Zach shot well and had 8 rebounds,also. Eli hit a big 3 when Goucher had closed to 6 with 8 min to go. Coach followed with a great timeout when Hawk was losing balance on sideline and saved a turnover.
  Couple of friends officiated the game, but I missed them afterwards and didn't get to discuss the game. Exchanged a few thoughts with Dmac-even got to see Dmac,Jr. Had to pass up the 3-pt halftime competition- still on injured reserve which kept  me from making the shot at Messiah 2 weeks ago.   


Glad to hear we had a royal contingent at Goucher last night. Was there a Cold Case and DMac reconciliation?


I noticed Wynne has been out of the lineup for a while and Ed O'Connell is back with the team...maybe he compliments Hawk off the bench and the Royals keep the run going...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Coleman, stick the Wisconsin boards.  

SU is far from a playoff lock and these suspensions scare me.  Lot of issues and lot of Freshman playing.  

If we are lucky enough to get into the playoffs, USMMA will destroy us again.  No chance.

Londo stinks. 15, 5, and 4 last night.

15 points
5 fouls
4 turnovers.

far from all conference.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 09:38:20 AM
Thank you Nepa for the acknowledgement....I would concur.  Going public and stealing much needed karma points is a double penalty. 

Coleman comes off as pompus when discussing me on this board.

My opinions are satire, accurate, or just inferred.  No different from any poster, yet I have been called out multiple times for posts time and time again of the past.

Yet, if you would peak at the chatter here and the emergence of posters and loyalists from the schools that matter (except usmma), I make this board.  It is all about ME. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Coleman, stick the Wisconsin boards.  

SU is far from a playoff lock and these suspensions scare me.  Lot of issues and lot of Freshman playing.  

If we are lucky enough to get into the playoffs, USMMA will destroy us again.  No chance.

Londo stinks. 15, 5, and 4 last night.

15 points
5 fouls
4 turnovers.

far from all conference.





15 points in 22 minutes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 09:56:56 AM
Good think there's on campus housing @ Scranton, cause he's a  b&$%@m  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2010, 10:02:42 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 09:33:54 AM

Londo stinks. 15, 5, and 4 last night.

15 points
5 fouls
4 turnovers.

far from all conference.





15 points in 22 minutes.

And 2 more blocks(conference leader) and 2 more steals and 1 hellacious in-your-face dunk on a spin move.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
the spin dunk wasn't really a dunk.  the ball hit the rim and then the backboard then went in.

Give me a break.

What is his favorite kind of Tuna?

BUMble Bee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 10:33:06 AM
The politics of the board aside, so no one else finds it ironic that mere days after Cold_Case calls out SS, SS gets suspened for missing a shootaround???


SUSIDAD, you were at the game last night?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 09, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 10:33:06 AM
The politics of the board aside, so no one else finds it ironic that mere days after Cold_Case calls out SS he gets suspened for missing a shootaround???

Cold Case got suspended?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susiddad on February 09, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
I think it was self imposed for not appreciating his warning.  I personally believe, he should just accept the warning and move on.  Mr. Coleman is reasonable.  Just because he offers his opinion doesn't mean coldcase should whine and quit the board.  I didn't.  I critiqued and most importantly accepted his criticism's at face value.

Although that does fit the scranton profile.  Seems like something a certain pf/center from Scranton will do when he is confronted by the tough SU frontline!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2010, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2009, 01:50:49 AM
susiddad -- I see you have returned to grind the same axes as last year.

Your act is tired, and this is your official warning. Continuing to grind your axe will result in your removal from the site of competition, so to speak.

sussiddad: Not sure why anyone would think it's a cheap shot to accurately portray something that I have said.


I believe he has issues with making it public. Probably a valid criticism.


This was public when I posted it back in December, click on the link. Still public in the interim. Public now. If he doesn't like being reminded, that's one thing, but so be it -- if you aren't in position to get reprimanded in the first place then you will never be reminded of it, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2010, 02:45:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-_QeM4yXbM&feature=related
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
  Just in from shoveling 10 more inches of snow(makes 62 inches/4 storms and still falling,all-time high). There hasn't been a winter in the MA region like this since the D3 Final Four met at Valley Forge(Washington & Jefferson, Lafayette, Eton, and Warsaw(Pool B); the regions had an international flavor then).
  Pat Coleman-that move to Minnesota isn't looking so bad, now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
And here in Albany, NY...37 flurries this morning & nothing more. Maybe Al Gore is on to something.
When the Crusaders roll into the Long Center on Friday, it will be the 1st. home game for the Royals with the student body on campus since the 1st. week in Dec. Perhaps they can hit 1,000 fans for this one...and preferably not a combined total from the womens game.
To win this one, the Royals must continue to play defense with passion & contest the perimeter shots SS & some others will be putting up. Help D on the interrior & balenced scoring on the floor without totally relying on the 3 continues to be a large reason for the recent change in fortune. Scranton must avoid thinking they've got it all figured out & Susquehanna will cave. Not sure they truly do & the Crusaders won't. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2010, 11:16:48 PM
Syracuse holds on & Duke wins at North Carolina...it will only get better if the Royals pull off two wins this weekend. From National Champs to National slackers...ouch!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
For the record... about 54 inches have fallen at my house north of Baltimore in the last two storms ALONE. That doesn't count the 20 or so inches in the December storm along with six inches earlier this month and six or so inches at the beginning of December. That is well over 80 inches!!!

This is ridiculous even by my standards...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2010, 08:59:14 PM
Dave: maybe the Charm City is about to become known as Buffalo on the Bay.  :o
Hang in there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2010, 02:32:01 PM
Feb 12, 2010

Landmark Conference Blog
2/12/2010 -- 11:45 a.m.

Weekend Preview

They are already swimming on Long Island, and some key basketball games are mere hours away. I've once again failed to provide charming video of myself for you all, but here are a few hundred words about this weekend's matchups. Once postseason berths start getting secured, I will try and post about them here.

Men's Basketball:
Catholic/Goucher at USMMA/Drew: Good matchups of teams trying to secure postseason bids. USMMA clinches a bid with one win, while Catholic can clinch with a bid and a Goucher loss. Goucher currently 1.5 games off the pace, can't afford any more losses. Catholic has won 3 in a row, and is trying to secure a coveted top seed for the postseason to earn the right to host. Jason Banzhaf is just a few rebounds shy of double-double in conference play averaging 16.3 points and 9.3 boards while shooting better than 50-percent from the field. Catholic is an even 2-2 on the trip to USMMA and Drew, winning and losing once at each venue. Goucher's postseason hopes need the team to shake off two tough losses and come away with wins over the weekend. The Gophers held Scranton to 61 points earlier this week the first time in five games the Royals were held under 70, but Goucher couldn't come up with enough offense. Gophers continue to rely on defense ranking in the top half in the Landmark in scoring defense, second in field goal percentage defense, holding teams to less than 40-percent from field. Goucher is at its best when the team controls the defensive glass posting a 4-1 record when grabbing 25 or more defensive rebounds. USMMA enters the weekend in great position for postseason and clinches bid with win, and two wins would nearly lock up hosting a home postseason game in a venue where the team has only one loss. Mariners among stingiest defenses in the country, currently 5th in NCAA DIII in points allowed and have only allowed 70 or more in two conference games, each of team's losses. The Mariners have also taken excellent care of the ball having only topped 20 turnovers twice in Landmark play. Drew needs sweep the game this weekend then hope for other results to have any shot at postseason. Two wins over their final three Landmark games would give Drew a new season-high for wins in Landmark play in coach Darryl Keckler's second season at the helm. Joe Horvath has been deadly from long range in conference play, knocking down 18 of 36 three-point attempts, giving Drew a strong third scorer to complement Terrell Brown and Mike Mayes.

Juniata/Susquehanna at Scranton/Moravian: Juniata and Susquehanna hit the road with postseason goals in mind, while Scranton is trying to stay in the top half of the postseason chase. Susquehanna can clinch a berth with two wins and one loss from Goucher over the weekend, or one win and two losses for the Gophers. The Crusaders have been staying above .500 in Landmark play by coming up with at least one win from each of its Landmark weekends. Marcus Burke earned Landmark Player of the Week honors, and has been incredibly efficient from the field as he is shooting 65-percent from the field. He actually has the same number of field goals as Susquehanna leading scorer Spenser Spencer, but in 37 fewer attempts. Juniata will need to win both games this weekend and get some help to have a shot at a postseason berth. Juniata is looking for its first road wins in Landmark play this season, as the Eagles are 0-4 in conference road games. The team continues to shoot well from three-point range, leading the Landmark in three-point shooting. But Juniata is remarkably shooting better from three-point range than two-point range, hitting 39-percent from long range, but 38-percent from the field in general. For Scranton the Royals can secure a postseason bid with two wins, or one win and a loss for Goucher. Scranton is looking to earn a postseason bid for the third time, only one of two teams that can claim that distinction. The free throw line has been a key for Scranton's success as the team has made more free throws than its opponent in eight of 10 Landmark games, and both those games were losses. And the Royals are leading the conference in free throw percentage. Moravian is trying to close out the season on a strong note and carry some momentum into the offseason. The duo of Eric Weaver and Chris Cullen are both in the top-10 in the Landmark in scoring, making them one of only four teams to have two players in the top-10 in scoring. Greyhounds will have to deal with some rust as they haven't played a game due to the weather since January 30.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 12, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
This SU/Scranton game should be a good one.  Edge has gotta goto the Royals at the long center where they have dropped only two games all year, but if they dont come out on the defensive end then SU could really make things interesting going into the last two games of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 12, 2010, 08:19:26 PM
41-40 Royals...

Sounds like the foul discrepancy has kept Scranton close. High paced game and should be an exciting second half.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 12, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Pennell with 15 first half points..  :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Catholic 70 Drew 46

RJ Dixon 20 points on 8-12 shooting.  Catholic shot 55% for the game, but had just 7 free throw attempts to Drew's 15.  Damn officials.  (JUST KIDDING people!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
SUSIDDAD: Eli Londo... any further questions?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 12, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
If you say we are determining our first-team all conference team based on TONIGHT'S performance, then i guess you have to sign up harvey pannell as well.....or does that suddenly create problems?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 12, 2010, 10:51:30 PM
juniata gets sloshed by moravian???? yikes.

well i guess that along with usmma's 'statement' at goucher basically solidifies the playoff picture.  longggggg trip to LI.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
It wasn't at Goucher, it was at USMMA. 

Catholic at USMMA tomorrow for 1st place.  Good luck Cardinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2010, 02:11:13 AM
What Eli has accomplished is not about tonight...it's about what he's done all year, game in & game out.
If he hadn't come back for his medical redshirt year, Scranton wouldn't have 5 wins. This kid is there each & every game & steps up rather than disappears in the big games. Considering 4 knee operations...I think he's earned the recognition he's finally getting.
No offense to SS but, he was in lala land all night...in the meantime, Eli was putting up over 30 points, rebounding, blocking shots & making one incredable steal as the Crusaders were trying to roll the ball upcourt until he decided to lay out, steal the ball & pass to a team mate.
Not sure how to really say this but, Susquehanna has unbelievable talent yet they continue to lose. The Royals have average talent at best but, continue to win. The game tonight was almost like watching a re-run of Hoosiers 2010. Team basketball will almost always trump the individual crap...great win for the Royals. No time to read the press clippings...one game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2010, 09:08:54 AM
Agreed. SU is underachieving and coach has Scranton playing well. Funny every time a SU fan slights a player on here they go off!

Also noticed Danzig started 4 guards last night..,
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
I just want to clarify my previous statement...I don't want to imply Susquehanna did not play team ball last night, they did. It's just that they have far more individual talent than Scranton yet seem to have stretches where nothing goes right & consequently, these funks are getting them in a hole they sometimes can't get out of. The Crusaders had a ton of assists last night...over 20 I believe, so they are passing the ball to teammates in good spots. The Royals just have a way of hitting a 3 when they need it or coming up with a block or hitting their free throws & combined with some D they are winning...it may not be as pretty & slick & polished as some teams but, at the end of the night they still have the W.
Right now, with the personel on the floor, Scranton is playing as good as they possibly can. They have some very serious holes to fill before they can be considered for Prime Time however, I'm just happy for the way they've turned it around & are currently playing the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 13, 2010, 11:29:13 PM
touch to agree with what you say.   please dont forget that SU is playing 2 seniors and a bunch of freshmen.  you cant honestly expect all these freshmen to come in these big games ont he road and RUN THE SHOW.  however, as a side note, pannell basically did jsut that.  impressive for a freshman on that stage. 

for a team full of freshmen to be inconsistent and thus underachieving is not that odd---so much so that it is almost unfair to call it underachieving.  these are just 18 year olds for the most part!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 13, 2010, 11:35:28 PM
"yet they continue to lose"

they are a playoff team, over .500... tough to say 'continue'

you are speaking as if this young Su team was EXPECTED to go into scnraton and win this game...and appear as though you are upset and disgusted that they did not.  i honestly cant tell you the last time SUhas won at scranton.  lets cut some slack.   you should more so be EXPECTING scranton to protect their home court---and they did.   why is SU at fault and accused of underachieving now?
---just imagine if scranton had lost!!! good grief, we wouldnt hear the end of it about how scranton is underachieveing, cant protect home court, danzig's gotta go, etc etc....and you know that is true.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2010, 11:35:32 AM
hoopit123: Let's not get too theatrical with your posts.
Read what I've stated...how you can even begin to imply that I was "upset" or "disgusted" that SU did not win is a pretty big leap into the realm of poetic license.
Obviously you do have some nice freshmen but, you also have a senior point, an experienced 2, a junior transfer & some other kids with experience that get minutes.
The reality is many of us have only read these wild press clippings of how great SU is from some of the teams faithful on this site. Perhaps from reading how SU was going to dominate so much, our (my) expectations were a bit higher than they should have been.
However, my comments clearly stated that SU did play well against Scranton as proven by over 20 assists. I further added that they simply went into a period where things went out of whack offensively & there were lapses on the defensive end. These are the unfortunate trademarks of inexperience.
As far as Scranton protecting the "home turf"...that's a given. If you are expecting to win conference titles & hopefully move on, that better be priority number one. The Royals, as I also stated, are playing as well as they can with the limited talent they have. Coach Danzig & his staff have directed a remarkable turnaround from where this season could have headed 1 month ago. The problem I have had & will continue to have until I see something different is the inability of Scranton to fill the obvious holes they have with talented kids that can step in & play & contribute right away. This has been an issue at the point since Randy Arnold graduated 2 years ago & continues to be an issue inside where more athletic & taller kids continue to make the job of kids like Eli & Luke Hawk that much more difficult. Rather than being additional players that can rebound, they are in the tough position of being the primary source each & every night.
I've also stated that I'm sure Coach Danzig tries his best to fill these obvious voids but...
Bottom line, I never said SU was underachieving in any post. However, early on they were winning & played F&M very tough in Lancasrer & did take care of a very good Stockton team. Since then their fortunes have hit a bump in the road & the Royals, who looked awful early on are now playing as good as they possibly can.
As we approach the playoffs, the reality is any of the 4 teams in can win. The degree of seperation is pretty fine & the home team certainly should have the advantage. However, if there is a number 4 seed that can sneak up & knock off the # 1...I & a few others think the Crusaders have the talent to do so. Whether they do or not for whatever reason is the million dollar question.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2010, 04:47:46 PM
   As of now, I have the playoff spots clinched by MMA, Scranton, CUA, and Susquehanna. Goucher would lose a tiebreaker with Susquehanna by virtue of Susquehanna beating Scranton(a higher victory than Goucher's 2nd defeat of Juniata.
  I have MMA finishing 1 or 2, Scranton 1, 2, or 3, Catholic 2,3, or 4, and Susquehanna 3 or 4. The proof is left as an exercise for the student. I assume the tiebreaker is head-to-head followed by record against other teams starting with 1 thru 8.
  For Royals fans, all remaining Landmark games will either be at home or videocast by their opponents on the road, starting with the Mardi Gras game at Catholic Tuesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2010, 07:12:03 PM
The winner of the Scranton-Catholic game is likely to clinch the 2nd seed and host the other team in the first round of the playoff.  Big time game, let's see who rises to the occasion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
Anybody going to make the trip.

I'm going to try to go, although it might take 2 hours just to get across town.  DC is a mess.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
 I'm leaving now with a stop at the gym on the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2010, 02:45:23 PM
Good luck.  Hopefully coming in from the north (MD side) will be okay--the Potomac River crossings from VA are a disaster and literally taking an hour+ just to cross one of the bridges.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2010, 10:18:46 PM
Scranton 63
Catholic 56


The two teams do it again in about a week in the first round of the playoffs, this time in Scranton. Huge road win for the Royals who were down 16-6 at one point and looked like they were going to be rolled out of the gym!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2010, 01:07:01 AM
   It was even worse than 6-16 @ 3-15 and with the Royals not showing any indication that things were going to change. They missed at least 5 layups(admittedly contested) in this half, but Catholic wasn't shooting any better and let Scranton creep back into the game. Neither seemed to be playing intensely enough to avoid that 8-hr bus trip that's coming next week to the loser.
   Despite 15 points and 10 rebounds, Jason B. seemed to be defended adequately by the Royals as was Zach Ashworth by the Cardinals so that each had minimal touches for 2 POY candidates. Eventually, the Royals hit more big 3s to build a lead, got into the bonus FT well before the Cards, and got the ball into the hands of their best foul shooters to hang on despite missing the front ends of a couple of FTs. Eli seemed to have at least 5 blocks but was only credited with 2.
  Passed on talking with Coach Howes after the game, figuring he wouldn't be in a good spirits after the loss. Did get to reminisce during the 2 games tonite with the radio voice of the Georgetown Hoyas, Rich Chvotkin, who did the broadcasts of the Royals' games when we were classmates way back then.     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Suffice to say I was not too pleased with this effort.  I think Catholic gave this game away.  You shoot 9-20 free throws and 3-16 from 3 (and 36 percent overall) and only lose by 7?  That should tell you something.

Save for the first and last 5 minutes of the game, the intensity was not there--I don't get it.  Ronk is right--neither team played like anything was on the line.  Frankly neither of them looked very good either.  After Catholic let Scranton back into it, Scranton had a chance to totally bury Catholic and didn't and then missed a bunch of free throws at the end--probably because their guys were tired since they don't have much depth.

And I hate to say it--but I have a hard time believing the Conference POY was on the floor at the DuFour center last night.  Neither of them played like it.  Banzhaf's numbers were actually deceptively good--he didn't play as well as the boxscore indicates.  Ashworth made two memorable plays---a nice fade away 3 and a 3 point play on a block/charge call that could have gone either way. 

Hopefully the Cardinals play better tonight and Saturday.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 10:34:11 AM
I have now seen Ashworth play a few times... once in person and other times on video feeds... and I am just not impressed enough to say he is a POY candidate. He gets the job done, sure... but he also baits refs into calls to get him to the line... producing points and forcing different defensive match-ups due to foul trouble. Sure, that gets his team an advantage, but I wouldn't give a player the POY based on that.

Against Goucher, he suffered a concusion, I am sure, in a couple of rough-house moments inside. But Goucher I thought did a very good job making him pretty much a non-factor... since Goucher's inside presence is a bit more athletic then Ashworth.

As for Banzhaf... I lean towards not giving him the nod either. He just hasn't produced or had moments where he put the team on his shoulders and gotten the job done, especially recently. I will hold all judgement until after Saturday's game against Goucher... but so far I haven't been impressed with him, either.

Honestly, I think the POY comes from Merchant Marine this season. Ryan Samuel has certainly impressed this season... though there is also Jon Snead and even Matt Hueber (though his points are lower then a POY usually gets).

Granted... my choices are in the middle of the pack when it comes to PPG in the conference. Ashworth, Spencer, and Banzhof are the top three. I have already stated my points about Ashworth and Banzhof... Spencer on the other hand has been very streaky and inconsistent. And has even sat at least a game and a half this season in conference play (more? less?). Not sure he should get the POY if his coach is benching him during games and when he didn't even show up for a games either.

So... POY is tough... just don't think the top three point leaders in this conference are actually deserving. But I don't vote...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2010, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 10:34:11 AM
I have now seen Ashworth play a few times... once in person and other times on video feeds... and I am just not impressed enough to say he is a POY candidate. He gets the job done, sure... but he also baits refs into calls to get him to the line... producing points and forcing different defensive match-ups due to foul trouble. Sure, that gets his team an advantage, but I wouldn't give a player the POY based on that.

when he Against Goucher, he suffered a concusion, I am sure, in a couple of rough-house moments inside. But Goucher I thought did a very good job making him pretty much a non-factor... since Goucher's inside presence is a bit more athletic then Ashworth.



So... POY is tough... just don't think the top three point leaders in this conference are actually deserving. But I don't vote...
Dmac,
  I think you're confusing Ashworth  with Matt Swaback, who was knocked woozy twice against Goucher. Ashworth had a great game(7-11 from the field, 4-5 on 3s,9-10 FTs, 8 rebounds)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 11:53:21 AM
Man... I did... I am terribly sorry for that. I completely jumbled up my numbers and faces in my head this morning.

So... let me retract and now say that I actually liked how Ashworth has been playing (though, didn't see much of the CUA game from my PA seat - though the game was on my laptop in front of me). All my points about "Ashworth"... are about Swaback... and apparently his head injury... caused some memory problems of my own!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2010, 12:09:28 PM
Dan Oconnell w/ his career high of 16 points certainly played like something was on the line. So did Zach Ashworth. CUA had 15 points with 10 minutes left in the first half they finished the half with 21.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Suffice to say I was not too pleased with this effort.  I think Catholic gave this game away.  You shoot 9-20 free throws and 3-16 from 3 (and 36 percent overall) and only lose by 7?  That should tell you something.
Save for the first and last 5 minutes of the game, the intensity was not there--I don't get it.  Ronk is right--neither team played like anything was on the line.  Frankly neither of them looked very good either.  After Catholic let Scranton back into it, Scranton had a chance to totally bury Catholic and didn't and then missed a bunch of free throws at the end--probably because their guys were tired since they don't have much depth.
And I hate to say it--but I have a hard time believing the Conference POY was on the floor at the DuFour center last night.  Neither of them played like it.  Banzhaf's numbers were actually deceptively good--he didn't play as well as the boxscore indicates.  Ashworth made two memorable plays---a nice fade away 3 and a 3 point play on a block/charge call that could have gone either way. 
Hopefully the Cardinals play better tonight and Saturday.

A loss, is a loss, is a loss and Scranton did bury them. They went up by 15 with about 4-5 minutes left then laid back.
This is the third season for the conference and the third revamped lineup Scranton had to work with in those same years due to heavy graduation losses. I give them credit for continuing to win.
Catholic is not young anymore so I really don't want to hear any of that excuse either.

Enjoyed watching the live stream on CU's website last night. It was refreshing and easily able to follow the game with no loudmouth announcers yelling into the microphone.
Maybe ESPN (the world leader in Muckraking Journalism and Pretend) should take a cue from this and do it the same way. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2010, 01:43:46 PM
Two road wins in a row for the Royals. Still a big game to play on Sat. against an improving Moravian squad & then we'll know where everything washes out.
It would seem the 1-4 we currently have will remain in that order but, crazy things do happen.
Obviously a great win for Scranton any time you beat Catholic in DC. although, the Royals still need to be able to finish stronger (especially on the road) by hitting the free throws & taking care of the ball in the waning minutes. Thank God Catholic was just as tight at the free throw line the last 5 minutes or it could have become very interesting.
  Nice to see Dan O'Connell now getting the senior minutes & chipping in big time. At this point in time, I think the Royals have stopped the guessing game at the point & are getting the minutes on the floor to their best athletes.
Rest the legs for a few days & then get ready for a strong finish on Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Suffice to say I was not too pleased with this effort.  I think Catholic gave this game away.  You shoot 9-20 free throws and 3-16 from 3 (and 36 percent overall) and only lose by 7?  That should tell you something.
Save for the first and last 5 minutes of the game, the intensity was not there--I don't get it.  Ronk is right--neither team played like anything was on the line.  Frankly neither of them looked very good either.  After Catholic let Scranton back into it, Scranton had a chance to totally bury Catholic and didn't and then missed a bunch of free throws at the end--probably because their guys were tired since they don't have much depth.
And I hate to say it--but I have a hard time believing the Conference POY was on the floor at the DuFour center last night.  Neither of them played like it.  Banzhaf's numbers were actually deceptively good--he didn't play as well as the boxscore indicates.  Ashworth made two memorable plays---a nice fade away 3 and a 3 point play on a block/charge call that could have gone either way.  
Hopefully the Cardinals play better tonight and Saturday.

A loss, is a loss, is a loss and Scranton did bury them. They went up by 15 with about 4-5 minutes left then laid back.
This is the third season for the conference and the third revamped lineup Scranton had to work with in those same years due to heavy graduation losses. I give them credit for continuing to win.
Catholic is not young anymore so I really don't want to hear any of that excuse either.

Enjoyed watching the live stream on CU's website last night. It was refreshing and easily able to follow the game with no loudmouth announcers yelling into the microphone.
Maybe ESPN (the world leader in Muckraking Journalism and Pretend) should take a cue from this and do it the same way. ::)

You are just an argumentative sort, aren't you?  Okay, its semantics, but the fact that they "laid back" is exactly what I meant.  Had Catholic actually been able to consistently hit some 3's they would have had a chance to win the game, even after being down by 15.  If you let a 15 point lead dwindle down to two posessions and you haven't pulled your starters--which they didn't--then you didn't bury your opponent.

Obviously a win's a win and I'm certainly not making an excuses for anybody.

Just for the heck of it, here are minutes played by class last night:

Catholic
Senior: 4
Junior: 105
Sophomore: 16
Freshman: 75

Scranton:
Senior: 58
Junior: 65
Sophomore: 46
Freshman: 31

Percentage of minutes played by upperclassman:
Catholic: 55%  Scranton: 62%

I don't think you can call Catholic "young" anymore either, but they're getting a lot of minutes from young players, especially freshman.  


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2010, 02:32:28 PM
By the way, Danzig is coach of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
COY: Krikorian... nothing against Danzig, but it didn't start out well. Where as I don't think anyone thought Merchant Marine would be controlling this conference at any point in the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
You are just an argumentative sort, aren't you?  
Just for the heck of it, here are minutes played by class last night:
Catholic
Senior: 4
Junior: 105
Sophomore: 16
Freshman: 75

Scranton:
Senior: 58
Junior: 65
Sophomore: 46
Freshman: 31

Percentage of minutes played by upperclassman:
Catholic: 55%  Scranton: 62%

I don't think you can call Catholic "young" anymore either, but they're getting a lot of minutes from young players, especially freshman.  

Argumentative? When you post on a public forum, you should expect to draw fire from the opposition, right? It's not about arguing as much as it's s disagreeing with opinions.
In regards to those minutes you posted by class rank, does it really matter? No, not at all.
Scranton's s upperclassmen, mainly seniors, have logged the bulk of the minutes the past three seasons.
Fact is, the percentage of minutes played by Scranton's seniors this year is down from those other years. That's why I said a couple weeks back that Scranton actually has more returning next season then they have the past two.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
COY: Krikorian... nothing against Danzig, but it didn't start out well. Where as I don't think anyone thought Merchant Marine would be controlling this conference at any point in the season.

Yeah, who would of thought a team with four starters and 12 lettermen back from a year ago would be in their position.
You Mason-Dixon Twosome crack me up. Remind me to write a humorous column about this board when I'm hard pressed for copy.
Unbelievable!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 17, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 13, 2010, 11:35:28 PM
"yet they continue to lose"

they are a playoff team, over .500... tough to say 'continue'

you are speaking as if this young Su team was EXPECTED to go into scnraton and win this game...and appear as though you are upset and disgusted that they did not.  i honestly cant tell you the last time SUhas won at scranton.  lets cut some slack.   you should more so be EXPECTING scranton to protect their home court---and they did.   why is SU at fault and accused of underachieving now?
---just imagine if scranton had lost!!! good grief, we wouldnt hear the end of it about how scranton is underachieveing, cant protect home court, danzig's gotta go, etc etc....and you know that is true.



They won at the long center during the '06-'07 season i believe..

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopsallday on February 17, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
I agree with Dave that the players from the MM deserve consideration for the POY race. Even though they have no dominant scorer... that is what makes them so dangerous and a tough match up. They have 4 starters that are capable for going for 20 any given night and players off the bench capable of hurting you
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
COY: Krikorian... nothing against Danzig, but it didn't start out well. Where as I don't think anyone thought Merchant Marine would be controlling this conference at any point in the season.

Yeah, who would of thought a team with four starters and 12 lettermen back from a year ago would be in their position.
You Mason-Dixon Twosome crack me up. Remind me to write a humorous column about this board when I'm hard pressed for copy.
Unbelievable!!!
cold_case - I have been following basketball for a long time... and I did NOT expect Merchant Marine to be dominating this conference. I figured Susquehanna would be on top... figured Scranton would still be in the argument... and certainly thought CUA would be at least battling for the lead. So... what Krikorian has done at Merchant Marine should be commended. It isn't like that school is in the same recruiting situation everyone else is in... and it isn't like this school just recruit anyone... they have their challenges (though, they don't consider them as such) and how they are playing this season is impressive.

And the Mason-Dixon Twosome is stupid... I do more then write on this board... I follow and cover this division on a national scope... it so happens my alma mater is in the Landmark and I see a majority of games because of my job as PA. You didn't even jump into this board this season until about half-way through and then only to fire stupid one-line comments. By the way... since I am down in Maryland... and am not affiliated with Merchant Marine... should I just be making comments about Goucher's players and coaches? Or would that be too much like everyone else?

Please contribute instead of creating names you think are funny or whitty... it isn't asking a lot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2010, 07:16:09 PM
Danzig has his team in the landmark playoffs for the third year in a row, the only Landmark team to accomplish this feat. Despite winning the first two landmark championships, he and his staff haven't been recognized by the league for Coaching Staff of the Year.


USMMA returned 3 all conference players to Scranton's 1.
Plenty of people thought USMMA would be in this position, that is why they were the pre-season number 2 in conference.

No contest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 07:41:14 PM
Aren't the preseason polls voted on by coaches? Meaning "plenty of people" are 7 (own coach doesn't count).

I am not saying I am voting... just saying I am more impressed with what USMMA is doing... especially since they have played the most consistent and high-level basketball THIS season. I understand your thought on Danzig not being recognized in the last few seasons... but this is about THIS season... and I think Krikorian has done more this season with his team then any other team has accomplished... heck they are getting Top 25 votes (though, so did CUA for some reason).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2010, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 07:41:14 PM
Aren't the preseason polls voted on by coaches? Meaning "plenty of people" are 7 (own coach doesn't count).

Is there some silent majority that offers their opinion on the Landmark that I am missing? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 09:24:56 PM
At some point, the Coach of the Year award actually started being "Overachieving Team of the Year" award.  It always annoyed me, particularly back in the CAC during the Mike Lonergan era where I think he won once during a stretch where he was easily, bar none, the best coach in the entire region.  In fact I believe he didn't win CAC Coach of the Year the year that he DID win National Coach of the Year.

So...it is hard for me to put a lot of stock in this particular award.  It would seem like a close decision between Danzig and Krikorian--both teams would appear to be overachieving compared to their talent level.  Either one of them would seem to be deserving.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
You are just an argumentative sort, aren't you?  
Just for the heck of it, here are minutes played by class last night:
Catholic
Senior: 4
Junior: 105
Sophomore: 16
Freshman: 75

Scranton:
Senior: 58
Junior: 65
Sophomore: 46
Freshman: 31

Percentage of minutes played by upperclassman:
Catholic: 55%  Scranton: 62%

I don't think you can call Catholic "young" anymore either, but they're getting a lot of minutes from young players, especially freshman.  

Argumentative? When you post on a public forum, you should expect to draw fire from the opposition, right? It's not about arguing as much as it's s disagreeing with opinions.
In regards to those minutes you posted by class rank, does it really matter? No, not at all.
Scranton's s upperclassmen, mainly seniors, have logged the bulk of the minutes the past three seasons.
Fact is, the percentage of minutes played by Scranton's seniors this year is down from those other years. That's why I said a couple weeks back that Scranton actually has more returning next season then they have the past two.

Hey, I'm up for a good argument--but this was a dumb one.  You are going to take issue with the fact that I said Scranton didn't "bury" Catholic at the end of the game when they obviously didn't?  Really?

No, it doesn't particularly matter, but I have thought all year that there is a misperception that Catholic is a veteran team when its sort of a mixed bag--yes, they've got a group of 3-4 core juniors, but pretty much everything else is coming from freshman. 

Now, at least last night, that group of juniors just didn't step up.  I like and respect those guys--but I REALLY hope they elevate their game in the next week--I mean everything--intensity, effort, hustle.  You see a ball going out of bounds?  Dive and save it--don't expect the ref to call it your way.  Stuff like that.  I don't think anyone can complain if a team loses and leaves it all out of the floor--but all I can say is that I sure HOPE they didn't leave it all out of the floor last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 17, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2010, 09:24:56 PM
 It would seem like a close decision between Danzig and Krikorian--both teams would appear to be overachieving compared to their talent level.  Either one of them would seem to be deserving.


put a check plus next to that statement except I dont really agree with the talent level comment...I think POY between Ashworth and Samuels...I think Scrant is joined by SU as being the only teams to play in playoffs all 3 yrs although I guess SU's ticket isnt finalized?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
COY: Krikorian... nothing against Danzig, but it didn't start out well. Where as I don't think anyone thought Merchant Marine would be controlling this conference at any point in the season.

I went back and read some old posts and saw that in the early part of the season there was defn discussion about MM being conf favorite so perhaps you were surprised by this but not everyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 18, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
Havne't been posting much this year with the added responsibilities at work....But I will be in attendance this Saturday during the Goucher vs. Catholic game. Always a battle and hopefully GC will get a win, it would be nice ending the season with a win over the rival.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 18, 2010, 11:22:40 AM
USMMA has been my number 1 since day 1...i think that is what BCannon is alluding to. just call me Lunardi.

Yes, BCannon is also correct that US has been in the playoffs each year of the landmark as well. as 1 seed, T-1 (2) seed, and now 4 seed.  

Samuels is the POY.  he puts the wheels in motion for everything that team does; if he needs to drop 20 pts, he will even do that.  in his 3 or 4 years against SU, he is the only guard ive seen give it to majors from time to time---YES, even almighty randy arnold was consistently owned by majors--he was too quick for randy.

It tickles me pink that some others on this board have FINALLY come to terms that banzhaf is overrated.  Sure, he puts up numbers, but that doesnt mean he plays GREAT basketball.   i think that fact is finally coming to life. if there was a 7-footer in the landmark, he would average 25 ppg by putting in layups over everyone else, but that would not make him a great player.  a great 'lay-upper' maybe.  Watching JB just doesnt give you the impression that he is a POY.  he scores, but doesnt do enough for his TEAM to be the most 'valuable' player in the league.  as i've said before, replace JB with any other person with equal 'finishing' ability, and catholic wouldnt miss a beat. in other words, he doesnt do enough for his TEAM to make him irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2010, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 18, 2010, 11:22:40 AM
USMMA has been my number 1 since day 1...i think that is what BCannon is alluding to. just call me Lunardi.

Yes, BCannon is also correct that US has been in the playoffs each year of the landmark as well. as 1 seed, T-1 (2) seed, and now 4 seed.  

Samuels is the POY.  he puts the wheels in motion for everything that team does; if he needs to drop 20 pts, he will even do that.  in his 3 or 4 years against SU, he is the only guard ive seen give it to majors from time to time---YES, even almighty randy arnold was consistently owned by majors--he was too quick for randy.

It tickles me pink that some others on this board have FINALLY come to terms that banzhaf is overrated.  Sure, he puts up numbers, but that doesnt mean he plays GREAT basketball.   i think that fact is finally coming to life. if there was a 7-footer in the landmark, he would average 25 ppg by putting in layups over everyone else, but that would not make him a great player.  a great 'lay-upper' maybe.  Watching JB just doesnt give you the impression that he is a POY.  he scores, but doesnt do enough for his TEAM to be the most 'valuable' player in the league.  as i've said before, replace JB with any other person with equal 'finishing' ability, and catholic wouldnt miss a beat. in other words, he doesnt do enough for his TEAM to make him irreplaceable.

I don't agree with that--there are plenty of players his size in the league and they can't do what he does.  You say "replace him with any other person with equal "finishing" ability and catholic wouldn't miss a beat" as if players with his finishing ability are a dime a dozen.  His ability to finish inside is exactly what he makes him a special player and what made him POY last year. 

His ability to score inside and rebound is a unique talent and what makes him special.  He is totally irreplaceable--there's certainly nobody else on the Catholic roster than could replace him and I haven't seen anybody else in Landmark that could either.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 18, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
there is a great difference between scorers and players that do A LOT to help out there team, makes their team as a whole better.   that is what JB is not.  its not just me anymore matt, there are others, after watching him this season, that now agree.

oh, and he was not POY last year---your personal opinion is irrelevant, obviously others did not agree with you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HoopJunky on February 18, 2010, 01:48:23 PM
I believed MM was the choice to win this conference from the very beginning. They have such a tough team with an exceptional PG(Samuels POY). They defend extremely well and have solid post play as well. Two key factors to winning through the long haul of a conference schedule. I personally enjoy Izzo's game. Very tough, can do a bit of everything, and will scrap as hard as anyone. I do not see any team taking the championship from this team this year even though there are some solid contenders.

To say SU was the favorite is a bit out of line. They lost the POY(a double-double machine), a solid all around wingman, and a dominant(at times) big man in Cosgrove.  Majors is a very good PG but he does not have the talent he has had in the past surrounding him. Spencer is a great shooter when he is hot, but he is streaky. They have depended on a plethora of new faces throughout this season, and I think they are right on par.  They are a very dangerous playoff out IMHO. 

On the JB front, he is a great finisher. He can hit the open jumpshot. He rebounds pretty well. HOWEVER, he has been getting so much hype for so long but he has not expanded his game to the point where he can lead this team to a championship.   



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2010, 03:02:15 PM
  Let's choose the POY after next week's big games for the trophy of the 1st conference NCAA AQ spot; that ought to be incentive enough for the field to separate itself. I haven't seen Izzo have a good game yet, but the rest(Huebner, Samuels, Ashworth, Londo, Banzhaf, Majors, Spenser) can show what they can do in pressure games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 18, 2010, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2010, 03:02:15 PM
  Let's choose the POY after next week's big games for the trophy of the 1st conference NCAA AQ spot; that ought to be incentive enough for the field to separate itself. I haven't seen Izzo have a good game yet, but the rest(Huebner, Samuels, Ashworth, Londo, Banzhaf, Majors, Spenser) can show what they can do in pressure games.

I believe the all-conference voting is done prior to playoffs...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
No disrespect intended. I thought I read somewhere that Scranton would have been the only team to appear in all three landmark postseasons.


Also did anyone else hear Moravian is cutting mens and womens lax? Any other landmark programs in trouble?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 19, 2010, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
No disrespect intended. I thought I read somewhere that Scranton would have been the only team to appear in all three landmark postseasons.


its ok, probably just thinking 'the only team to win the LC', which is absolutely true! :-X
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
No disrespect intended. I thought I read somewhere that Scranton would have been the only team to appear in all three landmark postseasons.


Also did anyone else hear Moravian is cutting mens and womens lax? Any other landmark programs in trouble?

Our Twitter followers heard about Moravian, yes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2010, 09:50:34 AM
Pat or anyone. Any truth to King's and E-town possibly joining the Landmark and making it a two-divisional setup?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2010, 09:29:14 PM

Also did anyone else hear Moravian is cutting mens and womens lax? Any other landmark programs in trouble?

The news release - http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/sportsNews/09-10/winter/SN2306.htm

Better than the rumors I was hearing of up to 5 sports being cut. Supposedly there's a lot of trouble in Bethlehem.

I can't speak for other Landmark-mates, but I feel confident that Susquehanna's in good shape, at least.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 11:44:44 AM
I haven't heard anything since the initial rumblings that Messiah, Leb Val and Etown were interested. That was a couple years ago now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 11:52:08 AM
It was down to Etown and Scranton for the final spot in the beginning. Haven't heard any other rumblings though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
After Stevens bailed, yes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
After Stevens bailed, yes.

Yep - sorry, forgot about Stevens since they were sort of a flash in the pan.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2010, 12:08:33 PM
  I remember seeing President Chris Thomforde of Moravian playing some very good bball as the center for Princeton. I didn't know they are the 6th oldest college in the U.S.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 12:10:56 PM
Thomforde was also Susquehanna's chaplain during my first year here. He came back for the SU-MC football game two years ago, when he first became president. It was really funny seeing someone taller than SU Pres. Jay Lemons! Those two towered over the rest of us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2010, 01:59:01 PM
Did Scranton clinch the 2nd seed? Or are they the three seed if they lose and Catholic wins on Saturday afternoon?

I like the idea of a 2 division league, might cut down on travel costs and increase rivalries.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2010, 02:35:11 PM
  Scranton wins a 2nd place tiebreaker(head-to-head) over Catholic;they could beat MMA in a tiebreaker for 1st seed also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 19, 2010, 02:52:15 PM
What's the cost of changing league affiliation?  The obvious would be website, and letterheads, etc.  Since Moravian is having financial difficulties, i'd imagine that others, not just Landmark, are having similar problems at this moment.  i've mentioned this before, but it would make more sense, logistically, to have area schools together in one league - we're "lucky" - we have a million & one D3 schools right here in PA.  As hard as it would be to even think about leaving the MAC, that's what it could all come down to.  It seems rather strange to just keep re-aligning schools, especially in D3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2010, 03:18:03 PM
If the mission statement of the Landmark Conference is accurate...then at least one of the two schools mentioned is automatically disqualified.  ;)
Last year the rumor I heard centered around Vassar & Skidmore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 03:22:21 PM
Oh, you know, come to think of it I had heard Vassar's name too once upon a time. Hadn't heard Skidmore, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2010, 03:31:06 PM
Kate,
  My sense of President Thomforde's remarks is that Moravian isn't having financial difficulties; they rather want to spend more of their resources on reducing the cost of a Moravian education for more of their students by cutting out less significant items like lacrosse.
  My speculation is that they remain happy with the conference of "like-minded institutions" and won't be returning to one assembled for  geographical considerations, primarily.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 19, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Seriously, the place for "like-minded" is religion & politics.  College should be all about diversity, even in sports.  Pat, i swear, if i mention "like minded" again you can toss me.  Ronk, did you read the Moravian article closely?  They want the students to stay on campus (no off campus apts.), and they want them to buy at least the minimum food plan.  PLEASE don't get me wrong - other than Lafayette in my back yard - Moravian is by far our closest D3 school, one of my very good friends is a grad, & another friends daughter & son-in-law are professors at the place.  It's just that times are tough,  & yes, i suppose for even you know what kinds of places, since i've sworn off the word.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: kate on February 19, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Seriously, the place for "like-minded" is religion & politics.  College should be all about diversity, even in sports.  Pat, i swear, if i mention "like minded" again you can toss me.  Ronk, did you read the Moravian article closely?  They want the students to stay on campus (no off campus apts.), and they want them to buy at least the minimum food plan.  PLEASE don't get me wrong - other than Lafayette in my back yard - Moravian is by far our closest D3 school, one of my very good friends is a grad, & another friends daughter & son-in-law are professors at the place.  It's just that times are tough,  & yes, i suppose for even you know what kinds of places, since i've sworn off the word.

Is that a promise??  ;D

The story I heard (keep in mind this is all rumor) is that there was some new student housing built recently that contributed to debt. Hence the "all hands on campus" ruling. FWIW.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2010, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: kate on February 19, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Seriously, the place for "like-minded" is religion & politics.  College should be all about diversity, even in sports.  Pat, i swear, if i mention "like minded" again you can toss me.  Ronk, did you read the Moravian article closely?  They want the students to stay on campus (no off campus apts.), and they want them to buy at least the minimum food plan. 

Moravian should decide what's more beneificial to themselves and their students, then make one of those two options mandatory, although I don't know if it's possible.
It is alarming to hear of that many dorms and rooms available.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2010, 05:40:45 PM
I don't think that a Catholic school essentially run by the Bishops is ever going to be in great financial shape, but CUA has grown its enrollement signficantly over the last several years.  When I was a student there 10 years ago, undergrand enrollment hovered around 2200-2400.  Its now 3400--that's a pretty big jump.  To go along with it, there's been significant campus upgrades--new dorms, a beautiful new student center, etc.  I know that at least for a while, they could no longer guarantee on-campus housing (though I like the most recent new residence hall has alleviated that).

Interesting to see what's happening with other schools in the league--times are certainly tough and 7 out of 8 of these institutions are not cheap.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 20, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
It would be very hard for me to believe SU is having any financial troubles.  If anything, comparing the place now to what it was 5-6 years ago, i have to say they are PROSPERING.  likewise with catholic, student enrollment is WAY up.  in light of that, tuition keeps increasing in order to fit the needs of more students, i.e. an entire new VILLAGE of housing on campus, and who knows how many million dollar science building that is near completion.  every day i drive by that thing, i think to myself, damn, SU must be doing well---its a VERY impressive building, state of the art.

I've noticed that SU has also bought new home uniforms this season---something a very tight personal team budget under the shadow of a tight athletic budget WOULDNT allow.

it may be that in light of bad times SU just keeps raising prices to follow, or maybe there are some BIG alumni donors out there--at least for the atheltic dept., i know that is true.  (look up the name lopardo). 

whatever the reasons, if one was to say it, there is no way i would beleive that SU is having financial issues at this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2010, 10:58:40 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on February 20, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
it may be that in light of bad times SU just keeps raising prices to follow, or maybe there are some BIG alumni donors out there--at least for the atheltic dept., i know that is true.  (look up the name lopardo). 

whatever the reasons, if one was to say it, there is no way i would beleive that SU is having financial issues at this time.

  I'm recalling a name from the past, possibly a bball/football player named Nick Lopardo.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2010, 03:56:42 PM
What, is everyone building science centers? Add Scranton to that list. Can't speak to Scranton's financial well being, but everyone has lost endowment due to the market being down the past year or so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2010, 09:47:17 PM
Catholic over Goucher 46-33....(yes, that's the final).

Uh...great defense guys?  Saving it all for Scranton?

(According to the Goucher live blog--which was great--that's an all time low for Goucher.) 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
To quote Coach Howes... "they want it more then you do." Heard that a few times from the Catholic bench as Goucher showed all game they really did want it more then CUA. The problem Goucher had was, despite seemingly outplaying CUA all game long, they couldn't hit a shot to save their lives. Near the end of the game, they were shooting .234 for the game. CUA was around .310. So, because of poor shooting, CUA came away with the full-game win with a half-time score! :)

By the way... I know Matt you aren't going to be happy with this, but Banzhaf didn't do anything yesterday to change my opinion. If anything, he disappointed me. He wants the game to come to him and doesn't do anything to elevate his game. He isn't aggressive, he thinks the refs will bale him out on occasions, and even didn't understand why he was being subbed out at one point when he just wasn't playing well. The point that he hasn't raised his game is valid. He has plateaued and seems to think he is good enough. That is hurting his team. He was basically a non-factor last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2010, 07:27:14 PM
Dmac,
    Shhhhhh! Don't get Jason riled up until Scranton's game Wednesday is over. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
At Scranton, Catholic was dominated!  At Catholic, after an early 12 - 3 Catholic lead, Scranton again dominated the Cards, going up by as many as 15.  Unfortunately for us Catholic fans, I really don't think Scranton has much to worry about Wednesday night.  D-Mac mentioned that Goucher,  playing for nothing, clearly wanted last night's game more than the Cards.  That was also evident Tuesday night against Scranton. 

I think Jason B. is a very good player, and Catholic is lucky to have him.  However, his performance this year warrents second team all conference.  BTY, Matt, Hileary had much more of an impact for the Cards than does JB.  JB is more of a player like Morley, but I think Morley came through a bit more when it counted.

GO Cards!  Play with passion and reckless abandon!  You have nothing to lose.  Remember, Defense wins champions!!  Hitting some shots won't hurt you chances, though!! 
GO CARDS!!!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
To quote Coach Howes... "they want it more then you do." Heard that a few times from the Catholic bench as Goucher showed all game they really did want it more then CUA. The problem Goucher had was, despite seemingly outplaying CUA all game long, they couldn't hit a shot to save their lives. Near the end of the game, they were shooting .234 for the game. CUA was around .310. So, because of poor shooting, CUA came away with the full-game win with a half-time score! :)

By the way... I know Matt you aren't going to be happy with this, but Banzhaf didn't do anything yesterday to change my opinion. If anything, he disappointed me. He wants the game to come to him and doesn't do anything to elevate his game. He isn't aggressive, he thinks the refs will bale him out on occasions, and even didn't understand why he was being subbed out at one point when he just wasn't playing well. The point that he hasn't raised his game is valid. He has plateaued and seems to think he is good enough. That is hurting his team. He was basically a non-factor last night.

You must have not seen what I wrote after the CUA-Scranton game.  I like all the CUA guys and respect them, so I'm never going to hit anybody, but I made some strong comments about JB.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.  He's got to step it up.  Period.   He's not playing like a POY candidate.  The Moravian game was senior night, so Matt Fazzini started--but I will note that instead of sitting Reed, it was JB that didn't start.

CUGrad--now I agree with you--when we had this discussion at the beginning of the year, my comment was that through two years, JB had the more impressive career.  That was true then.  Now that we're just about done with year 3, it isn't true anymore.  Yes, his game is similar to Morley's--but I'll put it this way--if JB had 75% of the intensity that Morley brought to the court, he'd be 125% of the player he was. 

I hope this does fire him up--I'm as big a fan of his as there is, and I'm saying I'm disappointed--he's not playing like he cares.  Prove me wrong and shut me up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2010, 04:57:10 PM

The Moravian game was senior night, so Matt Fazzini started--but I will note that instead of sitting Reed, it was JB that didn't start.

  I noticed that, myself. Maybe the coach was trying to send a message.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2010, 09:52:27 PM
Matt, the lack of intensity pretty much sums up the current Catholic team.  I believe that they have more talent than anyone in this league, including SU.  However, their lack of passion on the court, and I'm not talking about getting in a circle with your asst. coach in the middle making noise, which to me looks rediculous, I'm talking about they play on the court - hustling for loose balls, blocking out and giving few second chances to their opponents, and showing some desire that suggests they care.  I hope they do get fired up and play as well as they are capable against a good team.  their 30 point victory over Moravian was nice, however they must be able to play that way against the top teams.

GO CARDS!!!   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2010, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 21, 2010, 09:52:27 PM
Matt, the lack of intensity pretty much sums up the current Catholic team.  I believe that they have more talent than anyone in this league, including SU.  However, their lack of passion on the court, and I'm not talking about getting in a circle with your asst. coach in the middle making noise, which to me looks rediculous, I'm talking about they play on the court - hustling for loose balls, blocking out and giving few second chances to their opponents, and showing some desire that suggests they care.  I hope they do get fired up and play as well as they are capable against a good team.  their 30 point victory over Moravian was nice, however they must be able to play that way against the top teams.

GO CARDS!!!   

Yeah--I mean, there's only so much the coaching staff can do.  At some point it has to come from within--the players have to feel it.  I've seen it in spurts this year--just not sustained and consistent.  I mean, this is a team that just went 18-8--its not like they're horrible or a huge disappointment...but the ceiling is higher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2010, 10:27:25 PM
The Cards are 18 - 7, and that is a very good record.  However, with their talent they should not have lost home games to SU or Scranton.  Had they won those games, they might well be playing at home in both conference tournament games.  Also, they had a great opportunity to knock a very good York team on the road.  Anyway, if they can pull two "upsets" on the road, the regular season becomes irrelevant.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on February 21, 2010, 10:36:09 PM
The knock on Steve Howes was always that he could recruit but couldn't necessarily coach. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2010, 11:09:21 PM
I don't think that you can lay it all on the coach.  Matt is right, there comes a time when a player or a team must dig down and find something inside that gives them that "extra desire" to achieve at a high level.  Coach Howes is an outstanding recruiter, as is reflected in his players abilities.  As far as a coach is concerned, I have no idea.  One can disagree with a coache's decisions, but who really can define what makes a good coach?  The Cards will probably finish 18 - 8 and possibly get a spot an the ECAC tournament.  That's a good season, however, I believe that they are capable of more.       
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 22, 2010, 01:16:56 AM
FINALLY...my season-long suspicions on JB being overrated are catching on and spreading like wild fire!! :P   i've always thought this way about his game because there is just something missing.  some kind of spark, or excitement, or--for lack of better words--interest?  give him the ball under the basket, i guess he'll lay it in.  but dont ask for too much beyond that.  as an underclassmen, thats a bit acceptable, however, now as a junior and supposedly the elite of the conference, it is quite obviously lacking and unimpressive when he should be leading the  charge for this good, but could be BETTER, catholic team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2010, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: Cardinal guy on February 21, 2010, 10:36:09 PM
The knock on Steve Howes was always that he could recruit but couldn't necessarily coach. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.


Maybe we can get Howes and Danzig on the same staff . Although I think it is easier to overcome bad recruiting then bad coaching!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 03:38:15 PM
Oh, I think now we're veering off into silliness...none of us are in the huddle and can speak with any real authority about whether somebody can or can't coach--back to my point about the COY award being basically an overachiever award because its hard to quantify good coaching.

There are "bad" coaches coaching very good teams with great records and "good" coaches coaching teams with lousy records.  The problem we're discussing about Catholic--the lack of apparent passion--and I stress apparent, because again, we don't know the whole story--doesn't seem to be to have anything to do with coaching.  You can't coach intangibles and that's what this really is about.

Hoopit--just because i'm objective enough to call it as I see it with JB doesn't mean you WERE right about him last year.  I'm talking about right now.  I thought he was the best player in the conference last year, and the statistics bore that out.  This year, I don't think he is, and the statistics don't show it to be the case, either.   There is more than just the stat sheet of course, but least year he was carrying a huge load as an underclassman and did admirably.  This year the load is a little lighter--so you'd expect his numbers to be down a little bit--but not this much, and his percentages are all worse. 

But I get your point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 22, 2010, 05:17:03 PM
I disagree that Howes is a bad coach, and I don't think Matt or myself is suggesting that.  Matt's right!  You can't make that judgement from the stands.  Coaching is a tough business and a coach's ability can't always be determined by wins/losses or championships.  As far as the JB discussion, JB is one of the best players in the league, and he will finish as one of Catholic's all time leading scorers and rebounders.  Indeed he hasn't played as well this year, but there may be reasons why that is.  Regardless, he is a tremendous player.  It's time for someone else to step up.  RJ, who has had an outstanding year, has done that and others must do the same.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 22, 2010, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 03:38:15 PM


Hoopit--just because i'm objective enough to call it as I see it with JB doesn't mean you WERE right about him last year.  I'm talking about right now.  I thought he was the best player in the conference last year, and the statistics bore that out.  This year, I don't think he is, and the statistics don't show it to be the case, either.   There is more than just the stat sheet of course, but least year he was carrying a huge load as an underclassman and did admirably.  This year the load is a little lighter--so you'd expect his numbers to be down a little bit--but not this much, and his percentages are all worse. 

But I get your point.


your statement that stats arent everything is exactly why those who vote DIDNT believe he was the POY.  and that is my whole point.  he puts up numbers, but thats about it; there is a lot more to basketball than PPG.  thats why he wasnt POY IMHO, and the coaches who voted obviously agree.  besides, what category was he tops in besides scoring last year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 10:21:31 PM
I'd have to go back and look, but he was at or in the top 5 in more categories than anyone else by a longshot.

I think Patch won because he was a senior--not because he was either a better player last year, or because his stats were better.  He won because susdad's attitude about whose turn it is is prevalent.  Now, susdad thinks its JB's turn--only fair, right?

I said there's more than just stats--of course.  That's not a new statement from me either.  Yes, there's more than just stats--but that doesn't mean they don't tell the most clear story.  I mean, the most valuable guy from a hustle/intangible standpoint is often a guy who barely makes a dent in the stat sheet--and nobody is giving him POY.

JB was a good enough combo last year...but in not this year in my judgement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2010, 11:03:14 PM
OK, so with all this talk that JB is not the player this year as he's been the past 2 years, are we somehow hoping he's reading these posts & come Wednesday he'll exact his revenge?
JB...these posts are not from Scranton fans...you relax & make these fans of SU pay dearly next year for all their doubt. In the meantime, even though I think you should have been POY last season, please continue your slight slump on Wed's. & call it a year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 22, 2010, 11:42:49 PM
this is college athletics...it is hard to believe the coaches would vote a senior as POY just in pity that its his last chance.    that sounds like an excuse.

in other news, there are playoff games in two days eh?

For SU to go TO usmma and pull off a win, they basically need the perfect game, in their eyes: a terrible shooting game for usmma, an electric shooting game for SU, and the players on usmma somehow looking past them and not being prepared mentally to play.

responses to these requests: at home, VERY hard to believe usmma will not shoot well.  SU could perhaps shoot very well, but against usmma defense, its too hard to get open shots to consistently shoot well throughout the entire game.  also, who knows which SU team will show up??? and lastly, and which i think will be the most prevailing factor, usmma is seeking revenge--not only must they be hungry at a shot at the title, it was SU that knocked them out last year.  oh, and they are a military academy--mental focus and concentration is pretty much a given.  they will probably be firing on all cylinders from the tip.

usmma entire starting 5 also has the playoff experience that only about 2 players on SU have.   i would think this is important as well.  there are a whole bunch of inexperienced freshmen on SU, lets hope they take it well and dont 'shell' up.

SU CAN do it, just a lot of ifs---favor has to be leaning toward usmma
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 10:21:31 PM

I think Patch won because he was a senior--not because he was either a better player last year, or because his stats were better.  He won because susdad's attitude about whose turn it is is prevalent.  Now, susdad thinks its JB's turn--only fair, right?

I said there's more than just stats--of course.  That's not a new statement from me either.  Yes, there's more than just stats--but that doesn't mean they don't tell the most clear story.  I mean, the most valuable guy from a hustle/intangible standpoint is often a guy who barely makes a dent in the stat sheet--and nobody is giving him POY.

JB was a good enough combo last year...but in not this year in my judgement.

OK Matt, I like and respect you as a poster, but this is getting to be a bit much. Yeah, we all hammer on JB as a gentle jab at you (well, except susiddad), but even when people bust his chops, they do so in a respectful manner. For you to keep harping that he should have been POY last year over Patch is, IMHO, disrespectful to Patch. Especially the "he won because he was a senior" comment. The stats argument was hashed out at the end of last season and Patch was a statistical leader in the conference as well. You're ignoring that fact. Patch was a hell of a player and, I believe, the coaches voted for him because of what they saw him lay down on their teams. Give them a little more credit than "they gave the warm fuzzy award to a senior."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2010, 11:21:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 10:21:31 PM

I think Patch won because he was a senior--not because he was either a better player last year, or because his stats were better.  He won because susdad's attitude about whose turn it is is prevalent.  Now, susdad thinks its JB's turn--only fair, right?

I said there's more than just stats--of course.  That's not a new statement from me either.  Yes, there's more than just stats--but that doesn't mean they don't tell the most clear story.  I mean, the most valuable guy from a hustle/intangible standpoint is often a guy who barely makes a dent in the stat sheet--and nobody is giving him POY.

JB was a good enough combo last year...but in not this year in my judgement.

OK Matt, I like and respect you as a poster, but this is getting to be a bit much. Yeah, we all hammer on JB as a gentle jab at you (well, except susiddad), but even when people bust his chops, they do so in a respectful manner. For you to keep harping that he should have been POY last year over Patch is, IMHO, disrespectful to Patch. Especially the "he won because he was a senior" comment. The stats argument was hashed out at the end of last season and Patch was a statistical leader in the conference as well. You're ignoring that fact. Patch was a hell of a player and, I believe, the coaches voted for him because of what they saw him lay down on their teams. Give them a little more credit than "they gave the warm fuzzy award to a senior."

I'm tired of the conversation in general so I agree with you there--as hoopit said, there are playoff games.  And it isn't like anyone's having a great disagreement about POY this year---I'm trying to be fair and objective about things, hence my comments about Jason.  BTW--I would strongly dispute your assertion that people have been all that respectful about Banzhaf--I had to come on here and defend his academic record at one point because somebody was making stupid allegations about that.  (I understand the difference between that and good natured ribbing, which I enjoy--this is afterall, supposed to be fun--and a lot of it is.)

Nevertheless, I did not intend to take anything away from Joel Patch, so I'm sorry if that's the impression I'm leaving.  He was a great player who had a tremendous year.   Obviously, if he hadn't had a great year, he wouldn't have even been a candidate for POY, so clearly the fact that he's was a senior was not the ONLY reason he won POY.

But I stand by my assertion that the fact he was a senior was the deciding factor.  An objective analysis of stats and which player meant more to his/her team last year had Banzhaf on top--he lead the league in points by a healthy margin, shot for a better percentage from the field, from 3 and from the FT line.  He had no help around him, was the only inside presence which means that everybody doubled him, but still came out on top in all those categories.  Patch's only edge over Jason was in defensive rebounding.  It was a close call, but if the situation had been reversed--if Patch had been a sophomore and Banzhaf a senior, I am virtually certain Banzhaf would have won POY over Patch.  

Feel free to disagree, but I suspect most of you know I'm right--that's just how things tend to play out.  

As for the games--I suppose there isn't much to say.  I hope Catholic play better.  They almost beat Scranton in the playoffs last year--and I think this Catholic team has more talent than that one, and this year's Scranton team isn't as good as last year's.   So there's no reason why the Cardinals can't win.    Catholic's played great defense all year--#2 in the league in ppg, #1 in opponent field goal percentage.  If they just have an average game shooting the ball, they've got a great chance.   Control the boards, play high intensity defense, and get some shots to fall.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2010, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2010, 11:21:43 AM
As for the games--I suppose there isn't much to say.  I hope Catholic play better.  They almost beat Scranton in the playoffs last year--and I think this Catholic team has more talent than that one, and this year's Scranton team isn't as good as last year's.   So there's no reason why the Cardinals can't win.    Catholic's played great defense all year--#2 in the league in ppg, #1 in opponent field goal percentage.  If they just have an average game shooting the ball, they've got a great chance.   Control the boards, play high intensity defense, and get some shots to fall.

So, what you're saying is that despite Catholic being more talented than a year ago when they almost beat Scranton, and Scranton not being as talented as last year, Catholic has to play near flawlessly to win this game.
You're talking out of both sides of  your pie hole.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2010, 11:21:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2010, 10:21:31 PM

I think Patch won because he was a senior--not because he was either a better player last year, or because his stats were better.  He won because susdad's attitude about whose turn it is is prevalent.  Now, susdad thinks its JB's turn--only fair, right?

I said there's more than just stats--of course.  That's not a new statement from me either.  Yes, there's more than just stats--but that doesn't mean they don't tell the most clear story.  I mean, the most valuable guy from a hustle/intangible standpoint is often a guy who barely makes a dent in the stat sheet--and nobody is giving him POY.

JB was a good enough combo last year...but in not this year in my judgement.

OK Matt, I like and respect you as a poster, but this is getting to be a bit much. Yeah, we all hammer on JB as a gentle jab at you (well, except susiddad), but even when people bust his chops, they do so in a respectful manner. For you to keep harping that he should have been POY last year over Patch is, IMHO, disrespectful to Patch. Especially the "he won because he was a senior" comment. The stats argument was hashed out at the end of last season and Patch was a statistical leader in the conference as well. You're ignoring that fact. Patch was a hell of a player and, I believe, the coaches voted for him because of what they saw him lay down on their teams. Give them a little more credit than "they gave the warm fuzzy award to a senior."

I'm tired of the conversation in general so I agree with you there--as hoopit said, there are playoff games.  And it isn't like anyone's having a great disagreement about POY this year---I'm trying to be fair and objective about things, hence my comments about Jason.  BTW--I would strongly dispute your assertion that people have been all that respectful about Banzhaf--I had to come on here and defend his academic record at one point because somebody was making stupid allegations about that.  (I understand the difference between that and good natured ribbing, which I enjoy--this is afterall, supposed to be fun--and a lot of it is.)

Nevertheless, I did not intend to take anything away from Joel Patch, so I'm sorry if that's the impression I'm leaving.  He was a great player who had a tremendous year.   Obviously, if he hadn't had a great year, he wouldn't have even been a candidate for POY, so clearly the fact that he's was a senior was not the ONLY reason he won POY.

But I stand by my assertion that the fact he was a senior was the deciding factor.  An objective analysis of stats and which player meant more to his/her team last year had Banzhaf on top--he lead the league in points by a healthy margin, shot for a better percentage from the field, from 3 and from the FT line.  He had no help around him, was the only inside presence which means that everybody doubled him, but still came out on top in all those categories.  Patch's only edge over Jason was in defensive rebounding.  It was a close call, but if the situation had been reversed--if Patch had been a sophomore and Banzhaf a senior, I am virtually certain Banzhaf would have won POY over Patch.  

Feel free to disagree, but I suspect most of you know I'm right--that's just how things tend to play out.  

As for the games--I suppose there isn't much to say.  I hope Catholic play better.  They almost beat Scranton in the playoffs last year--and I think this Catholic team has more talent than that one, and this year's Scranton team isn't as good as last year's.   So there's no reason why the Cardinals can't win.    Catholic's played great defense all year--#2 in the league in ppg, #1 in opponent field goal percentage.  If they just have an average game shooting the ball, they've got a great chance.   Control the boards, play high intensity defense, and get some shots to fall.

Well, if I have two players who are exactly the same stats-wise and one's a senior and the other's a sophomore, sure, I'd give it to the senior. But as you admitted, stats don't tell the whole story. I saw Patch and I saw Banzhaf (albeit only once) last year. Call it Crusader bias, but I think Patch meant more to his team -- and put more of a knife into other teams -- than Banzhaf did.

I'll agree to disagree, of course.

As for the playoffs, I'm with hoopit - it will be really interesting to see which SU team shows up. They may be tricky in that you never know who's going to blow up for them in a game - Burke, Spencer, Pannell, even Majors. That can be hard to prepare for. However, MM has clearly been able to before since they beat them twice.

SU went into the last two postseasons with the #1 target on their backs. Maybe this year they'll have a different outcome with the pressure off.

The local paper took a break from fawning over Bucknell to do a pretty decent preview for the SU men and women: http://www.dailyitem.com/0200_sports/local_story_054080003.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
Grove,

Scranton was the 1 seed last year. SU was the 2 seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
Grove,

Scranton was the 1 seed last year. SU was the 2 seed.

Due to a coin flip, mais non?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2010, 03:31:08 PM
I believe TheGrove is right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
Thought it was common opponent? Coin flip? What kind of rule is that?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 23, 2010, 04:03:09 PM
there are all kinds of crazy tiebreakers. i believe it goes a little something like this:

1. head to head
2. how each team did against the other playoff teams, starting with the highest
    i.e. last year, usmma was 3rd seed. i believe both scr. and SU split with them as well, which moved it down to the 4th seed Catholic for comparison.

now, im not sure of the order here, but next its either:
coin toss, or
point differential, that comes next.

i dont recall how it panned out last year??  did both SU and Scr. split with both usmma and CUA? if so, then it must have moved down to the two 'wild card' tie breakers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2010, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2010, 11:21:43 AM
As for the games--I suppose there isn't much to say.  I hope Catholic play better.  They almost beat Scranton in the playoffs last year--and I think this Catholic team has more talent than that one, and this year's Scranton team isn't as good as last year's.   So there's no reason why the Cardinals can't win.    Catholic's played great defense all year--#2 in the league in ppg, #1 in opponent field goal percentage.  If they just have an average game shooting the ball, they've got a great chance.   Control the boards, play high intensity defense, and get some shots to fall.

So, what you're saying is that despite Catholic being more talented than a year ago when they almost beat Scranton, and Scranton not being as talented as last year, Catholic has to play near flawlessly to win this game.
You're talking out of both sides of  your pie hole.

Where did you get that I said Catholic had to play flawlessly?  I said they had to play great defense and control the boards (not a stretch considering that they are the #2 defensive team and #1 rebounding team in the league), and that they have to have an average game shooting the ball.  

They average from the field this year is 44%.  In the two games against Scranton this year, they shot 36% both times.  They were also 6-24 and 3-16 from 3 in those games (34%).

So I'm saying that if they simply play an average offensive game against Scranton--rather than a considerably below average game--they've got a good shot.

I know for sure that as far as the second game is concerned, they missed a handful of wide open 3's--had they made even 2 of them they may have won.  But they were having an awful shooting night and it didn't seem to have much to do with the defense.

We'll see.

Grove--indeed we will.  My final rebuttal--in this case, there were not two players with the same stats.  One had better stats than the other, by a significant margin in some of the categories.  Not only that, in the two head to head games, JB totally dominated Patch--he lit him up for 26 and 23 points.  Sooo...clearly something else was a factor.  I guess the argument comes down to the fact that you think it was all intangibles and not that he was a senior, whereas I think it was mostly because he was a senior.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
point differential, then coin toss. At least that's what I gathered from the 3/4 seed situation with the SU and Juniata women's teams this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
  Scraton beat MMA twice last year, winning the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 23, 2010, 05:09:53 PM
its time for this discussion to pass on, but you just keep lighting the fuse with statements out in left-field.

banzhaf and patch were totally different players playing different positions.  how did JB dominate JP?  last i checked JB sat in the post, i've watched a lot of SU games while JP was here and i could probably recall post-up situations of his on my two hands.  patch was a slashing guard more or less, JB is, well, we've been there.  Cosgrove kid was the SU center, maybe he got dominated.

again, your argument is full of 'hearsay', if you will--little theories in your own mind that really never played out in reality.
it's time to stop making excuses...he didnt win POY last year, he wont this year, and if i was a betting man, he wont next year as well as ashworth will still be keeping him company.   OH! and they'll both be seniors so thank god some dominant sophomore wont get hosed because of his class-year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2010, 05:45:34 PM
#3 Catholic at #2 Scranton, 7:30 p.m.

18-7, 7-4 Road                      17-8, 11-2 home


Live Stats:

http://academic.scranton.edu/department/athletics/xlive.htm

Audio:

http://playlist.wusr.scranton.edu/


Looking for a big game from Eli Londo in what could be his last game ever at the John Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2010, 12:27:00 PM
Today's the day! Good luck to all the Landmark teams, and travel safely!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2010, 02:55:06 PM
Grove: Agreed. Hard to believe the season is just about over for 3 teams. Seems like it was only a few short weeks ago the season & discussion about JB began.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
  Crusader fans,
    You may have forgotten or didn't know that MMA videocasts its home games available via a link on its bball web page; this doesn't show up on d3hoops' scoreboard page. If u listen to Susquehanna audio at same time, the audio usually precedes the videocast because of the latter's satellite delay. Can be disconcerting, so I prefer to watch the video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2010, 08:35:16 PM
Solid time for the Scranton live stats to stop working. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2010, 08:35:16 PM
Solid time for the Scranton live stats to stop working. 

Did it matter?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2010, 08:35:16 PM
Solid time for the Scranton live stats to stop working. 

Did it matter?

Yeah and it isn't like you couldn't have tuned in to the voice of Royal basketball , Dean Corwin, and his side kick Harry Dammer on WUSR!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
It did when I was trying to put my son to bed (which means it needs to be quiet.)

It never did start working, so I don't know what happened other than the score.  Congrats fellas.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
I think Scranton has had trouble with their live stats cutting out all year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2010, 10:25:47 PM
Gracious in defeat,  Matt. +k Scranton has had Catholic's number lately.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
I think Scranton has had trouble with their live stats cutting out all year.

I really haven't been following it but I can tell you if they were having that much trouble, they should have
invested a couple Ben Franklin's and had it fixed. I tried checking their live stats and got their game with Juniata from a few weeks back.
Then I tried listening to the game on the internet and got this:
Ashworth with the ball, he passes it to.... "Got the late night munchies, give Granteed's Pizza a call."
In other words, they were running commercials during game action.
That's inexcuseable and very poor.
So I switched over and watched the SU at King's Point game on video. Pretty cool stuff.
Your better half's alma mater better shape up. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
I think Scranton has had trouble with their live stats cutting out all year.

I really haven't been following it but I can tell you if they were having that much trouble, they should have
invested a couple Ben Franklin's and had it fixed. I tried checking their live stats and got their game with Juniata from a few weeks back.
Then I tried listening to the game on the internet and got this:
Ashworth with the ball, he passes it to.... "Got the late night munchies, give Granteed's Pizza a call."
In other words, they were running commercials during game action.
That's inexcuseable and very poor.
So I switched over and watched the SU at King's Point game on video. Pretty cool stuff.
Your better half's alma mater better shape up. ;D
She needs to up her contribution.  Or maybe they can get some $$$ from Mr. DeNaples.

I know the stats froze when we played them in November.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
Lefty, I think I'll refrain from the remark about Mr. Louie, but I will say a prayer for you in hopes that he doesn't read this board. ;D  ;);D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2010, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
I think Scranton has had trouble with their live stats cutting out all year.

I really haven't been following it but I can tell you if they were having that much trouble, they should have
invested a couple Ben Franklin's and had it fixed. I tried checking their live stats and got their game with Juniata from a few weeks back.
Then I tried listening to the game on the internet and got this:
Ashworth with the ball, he passes it to.... "Got the late night munchies, give Granteed's Pizza a call."
In other words, they were running commercials during game action.
That's inexcuseable and very poor.
So I switched over and watched the SU at King's Point game on video. Pretty cool stuff.
Your better half's alma mater better shape up. ;D
She needs to up her contribution.  Or maybe they can get some $$$ from Mr. DeNaples.

I know the stats froze when we played them in November.


Mr. Denaples? Why so formal?    Looks like your avatar suffered from the same issue as Scranton's Live Stats.


And yes Banzhaf had a decent game, at least 9 offensive boards. Scranton can't rebound, but keeps on winning...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2010, 11:32:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2010, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2010, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
I think Scranton has had trouble with their live stats cutting out all year.

I really haven't been following it but I can tell you if they were having that much trouble, they should have
invested a couple Ben Franklin's and had it fixed. I tried checking their live stats and got their game with Juniata from a few weeks back.
Then I tried listening to the game on the internet and got this:
Ashworth with the ball, he passes it to.... "Got the late night munchies, give Granteed's Pizza a call."
In other words, they were running commercials during game action.
That's inexcuseable and very poor.
So I switched over and watched the SU at King's Point game on video. Pretty cool stuff.
Your better half's alma mater better shape up. ;D
She needs to up her contribution.  Or maybe they can get some $$$ from Mr. DeNaples.

I know the stats froze when we played them in November.


Mr. Denaples? Why so formal?    Looks like your avatar suffered from the same issue as Scranton's Live Stats.


And yes Banzhaf had a decent game, at least 9 offensive boards. Scranton can't rebound, but keeps on winning...
NEPA,
1) I don't know Mr. DeNaples and after I used a less formal reference in my original post, CC mentioned that Mr. DeNaples could be lurking on this board.  Heck, you could be him.  Better safe than sorry.
2) avatar - I didn't see the movie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
Lefty, cut to the chase and admit he's your uncle. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
I know you're not him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2010, 03:47:05 PM
Saratoga,


Calling you out buddy. You have been hard on Danzig (or at least serve as an intermediary for those critical of Danzig.) .......I know I take back anything negative I ever typed about him! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 25, 2010, 06:42:58 PM
yeah, really.   what the heck happened up at scranton?  either danzig is a magician, or the kids just decided they didnt like getting beat up on anymore and pulled it together!

i remember discussion (and i admit, it may have been me) that after a being abused a number of times the 1st half of season and especially after at SU that scranton was just going to pack it up for the year.  Open mouth, enter foot!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2010, 09:06:32 PM
NEPA: No problem defending my only real issue. Please refer to my posts of 2/13 & 2/14 where I clearly state Coach Danzig & his staff have directed a pretty remarkable turnaround from where this season had been heading. No problem at all with game plans or X & O stuff & he seems like a really nice guy
Where I continue to be concerned is with the lack of first class recruiting that fills areas that need to be filled asap & with talented kids that can step in & play.
This late in the season & the issues that hurt them early (turnovers & being killed on the boards) are still there & will be until a real point arrives along with some size that can play & not just look good on paper.
I mean teams that want to make the tournement & advance can not give the ball away 20 times & not be able to break the press. They can not continually be beaten on the boards & rarely get themselves second chance shots. The kids he's rolling out are doing exceptional work but, kids like Zach & Eli & Luke would be even better if they had help both from a Randy Arnold type point & an inside presence that is in fact, a presence. I've said it a dozen times before & I'll say it again...I'm sure Coach Danzig is busting his butt for talented kids, the problem is talking to them is nice, getting them here is where there's room for improvement. There also seems to be a disconnect with the student body as crowds are horribly small for what once was a packed house almost every game. Is this the coach's fault? Of course not...but, if some interesting players were playing, perhaps the interest on campus would increase.
Bottom line, Scranton would not have won 6 games without Eli coming back for a medical redshirt year. Where would his points, blocks, presence & rebounds have come from? The reality is Tom Bicknell graduated 2 years ago & if Eli wasn't doing all he's been doing where  & who would have been their inside game? Right now, who's breaking the press? Who's averaging nearly double didgets in assists? Who's running the show & defying the press to come after them? Who's driving the lane & dishing at the last second or driving & pulling up for a short jumper?
Coach Danzig & his staff deserve tons of credit for getting this years edition of the Royals to within 1 game of an automatic berth & their 3rd. straight trip to the dance so obviously they are doing something right. The problem is, if you want to play with the guys on the national scene & move beyond Landmark titles, results in recruiting simply have to improve.
Right now his undermanned kids are playing with confidence, character & a determination that just may shock the conference & some teams already on the bubble & for that, this coaching staff truly has done a really incredable job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2010, 09:06:32 PM
Coach Danzig & his staff deserve tons of credit for getting this years edition of the Royals to within 1 game of an automatic berth & their 3rd. straight trip to the dance so obviously they are doing something right. The problem is, if you want to play with the guys on the national scene & move beyond Landmark titles, results in recruiting simply have to improve.
Right now his undermanned kids are playing with confidence, character & a determination that just may shock the conference & some teams already on the bubble & for that, this coaching staff truly has done a really incredable job.

Toga,

Agree with all of what you said, especially above. I am enjoying the run and will worry about who the staff is bringing in after all the games have been played out.

While USMMA has only had 1 home loss all year, 2 reasons to be optimistic if you are a Scranton fan is that A) Eli Londo only played 12 minutes after fouling out, and 2) Luke Hawk did not play at all in Scranton's early loss on the island.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 10:04:23 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2010, 09:06:32 PM
Bottom line, Scranton would not have won 6 games without Eli coming back for a medical redshirt year. Where would his points, blocks, presence & rebounds have come from? The reality is Tom Bicknell graduated 2 years ago & if Eli wasn't doing all he's been doing where  & who would have been their inside game?

You talk like Londo is another Irv Johnson, Mickey Banas, Matt Cusano, etc. all.
Carlino and Wynne would have filled the void nicely but Londo coming back retarded their progress.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2010, 10:38:10 AM
Cold case: I've never stated or implied that Eli was any of those players. What I have stated is that Eli means a ton to THIS team.
As for "retarding their progress", surely you jest. If you are a junior & you average about 1 minute per game throughout your first 3 years...your progress was impeded long ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 10:51:06 AM
Neither one was going to play with Bicknell around. Londo had the experience and that's what the coaching staff decided on last year. Both kids I mentioned can play but again, the staff went with the experience.
Saying Londo is responsible for 12 more wins than the team should have is absurd. The three players I mentioned in my last post weren't worth that many and they are head and shoulders above Londo.
Or are you going to be silly enough to play the devils advocate?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?

You mean the final that Matt's team is not in...again?
Where is Matt, anyway??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2010, 01:56:57 PM
Matt had really nothing to say about the current discussion about the roster compilation of Scranton, so...Matt didn't post.

In fact, pretty much the only thing Matt has to say at all is that I'm pleased that it looks like Banzhaf had a good game for Catholic--at least from the stat sheet.  At least he ended league play on a high note this year. 

Good luck to both teams this weekend--my personal belief is that if Scranton wins, MMA will get in via Pool C.  I don't think Scranton will get at Pool C if they lose. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?

You mean the final that Matt's team is not in...again?
Where is Matt, anyway??

Dude... way to make me look bad. Wasn't I just saying all the ribbing is "good-natured"???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?

You mean the final that Matt's team is not in...again?
Where is Matt, anyway??

Dude... way to make me look bad. Wasn't I just saying all the ribbing is "good-natured"???

It's certainly all good natured but some people are immature and revert to giving smite. Not hard to figure out who they are.
It's a game and nothing else. More important things in this life to concern ourselves with.
I'm also glad you enjoyed the playoff feature on SU in the paper.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?

You mean the final that Matt's team is not in...again?
Where is Matt, anyway??

Dude... way to make me look bad. Wasn't I just saying all the ribbing is "good-natured"???

It's certainly all good natured but some people are immature and revert to giving smite. Not hard to figure out who they are.
It's a game and nothing else. More important things in this life to concern ourselves with.
I'm also glad you enjoyed the playoff feature on SU in the paper.

Certainly not I. In fact, I think I'll steal one from the LLPP and give out some Friday +ks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 26, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
Can we talk about the upcoming Landmark Final?

You mean the final that Matt's team is not in...again?
Where is Matt, anyway??

Dude... way to make me look bad. Wasn't I just saying all the ribbing is "good-natured"???

It's certainly all good natured but some people are immature and revert to giving smite. Not hard to figure out who they are.
It's a game and nothing else. More important things in this life to concern ourselves with.
I'm also glad you enjoyed the playoff feature on SU in the paper.

Certainly not I. In fact, I think I'll steal one from the LLPP and give out some Friday +ks.


Okay, I give up....what is the LLPP?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2010, 01:10:43 PM

Landmark Championship   4:00pm

Live Video

http://powerlink.powerstream.net/003/02417/live1.asx


Live Audio

http://playlist.wusr.scranton.edu/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on February 27, 2010, 06:44:34 PM
sooo, what does he who correctly predicts on day 1 the conference winner get???

must say, nothing against you scranton poster's or them in general, but i am happy to see MMA win...they run a good program down there; they've really worked their way higher and higher up in the LC the past 3 seasons.   that is the sign of a good program--getting better each and every year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2010, 09:12:49 PM
Wow, convincing win for MMA.  Heck of a year for them--wire to wire.  Good luck to them in the tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Here's some irony. Scranton and Catholic meet for a fourth time in the ECAC's. Although I doubt Scranton will accept a bid if offered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2010, 11:44:55 AM
Congrats to USSMA , they deserve it. Good luck in the Tourny! Scranton has had the target on their back the past two years. They certainly overachieved and I give tons of credit to the team and staff.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
The Royals down 1 at the half for the Landmark championship & a ticket to be punched for the NCAA's.
Not sure what Coach Danzig's advice was in the lockerroom but, I'd toss that speech in the filing cabinet under "Need to Revise".
As for Coach Krikorian...I think it's a pretty safe bet that he lit a fire under his troops & made some adjustments that clearly made the difference. The first 7 minutes of the second half MMA made their statement & the Royals were history.
All the best to MMA, and they get to host as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 02, 2010, 01:12:19 AM
After finishing the regular season with an 18-8 record, Catholic University was selected as the number one seed in the 2009-10 ECAC Division III South Men's Basketball Championship. The tournament is a seven-team field with quarterfinal, semifinal and championship rounds.

In the first round contests on Wednesday, March 3, No. 2 Bethany College (18-8) will host No. 7 Neumann (16-12) at 7:00 p.m. while No. 3 seed Penn State Behrend (19-8) will host No. 6 Misericordia (16-11) at 7:00 p.m. No. 4 Pitt-Bradford (17-11) hosts No. 5 Alvernia (15-10) at 7:00 p.m.

The first-round winners will advance to the semifinals on Saturday, March 6 at Catholic. No. 1 Catholic will face the winner of No. 4 Pitt-Bradford/No. 5 Alvernia at 4:00 p.m. in one semifinal, and the winner of No. 2 Bethany/No. 7 Neumann will play the winner of No. 3 PSU Behrend/No. 6 Misericordia at 7:00 p.m. in the other semifinal. The semifinal winners will meet Sunday, March 7 at 2:00 p.m. for the championship.

2009-10 ECAC Division III South Men's Basketball Championship

First Round – Wednesday, March 3, 2010
No. 1 Catholic (18-8) BYE
No. 7 Neumann (16-12) at No. 2 Bethany (18-8), 7:00 p.m.
No. 6 Misericordia (16-11) at No. 3 PSU Behrend (19-8), 7:00 p.m.
No. 5 Alvernia (15-10) at No. 4 Pitt-Bradford (17-11), 7:00 p.m.

Semifinals – Saturday, March 6, 2010 at Catholic
Catholic vs. No. 4 Pitt-Bradford/No. 5 Alvernia winner, 4:00 p.m.
No. 2 Bethany/No. 7 Neumann winner vs. No. 3 PSU Behrend/No. 6 Misericordia winner, 7:00 p.m.

Championship – Sunday, March 7, 2010 at Catholic
Two Semifinal Winners, 2:00 p.m.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2010, 10:13:30 AM
Well, good to know there will be a little more hoops at DuFour this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Congrats to Zach Ashworth of the UofS Royals...one of the Josten's finalists.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Congrats to Zach Ashworth of the UofS Royals...one of the Josten's finalists.

Also Landmark Conference Player of the Year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Yes, and he is joined on the First Team by Eli Londo!  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Congrats to Zach Ashworth of the UofS Royals...one of the Josten's finalists.

Also Landmark Conference Player of the Year!

But Banzhaf is better.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
oh great, we can discuss the all-star teams instead of pretending to be interested in the ECAC's

congrats to ashworth for both awards---the josten's is very prestigious.  was it he who was a finalist last year as well?  i forget who it was in the landmark that received that last season.

ashworth for POY...hooray!  re-vamp your campaign starting now for next season, matt.  maybe JB will finally get his  (but against the defending POY?! hm!)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 02, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Congrats to Zach Ashworth of the UofS Royals...one of the Josten's finalists.

Also Landmark Conference Player of the Year!

But Banzhaf is better.  ;)

I love sophisticated humor. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
I thought SU's Majors should have landed a second team berth.


2009-10 All-Landmark Conference Men's Basketball Team
First Team
Pos, Name, Class, Hometown(High School)
G, Zach Ashworth, Scranton, Jr., Doylestown, Pa. (Central Bucks West)
F, Jason Banzhaf, Catholic, Jr., Livingston, N.J. (Seton Hall Prep.)
G, R.J. Dixon, Catholic, Jr., Charlotte, N.C. (Cannon School)
F, Matt Hueber, USMMA, Jr., Alexandria, Va. (Gonzaga College)
F, Eli Londo, Scranton, Sr., Hamlin, Pa. (North Pocono)
G, Ryan Samuel, USMMA, Sr., Cedar Hill, Texas (Cedar Hill)

Second Team
Pos, Name, Class, Hometown (High School)
G, Jeff Berkey, Juniata, Sr., Stoystown, Pa. (Shanksville-Stonycreek)
C, Chris Cullen, Moravian, Jr., East Islip, N.Y. (East Islip)
F, Tom Izzo, USMMA, Jr., Bridgeport, W.V. (Bridgeport)
G, Jon Snead, USMMA, So., Garden City, N.Y. (Holy Trinity)
G, Spenser Spencer, Susquehanna, So., Seattle, Wash. (Lakeside)
F, Eric Weaver, Moravian, Sr., Succasunna, N.J. (Roxbury)

Player of the Year: Zach Ashworth, Scranton
Defensive Player of the Year: Bryan Majors, Susquehanna
Co-Rookies of the Year: Terrell Brown, Drew; Harvey Pannell, Susquehanna
Coaching Staff of the Year: United States Merchant Marine Academy (Head Coach, John Krikorian)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
oh great, we can discuss the all-star teams instead of pretending to be interested in the ECAC's

congrats to ashworth for both awards---the josten's is very prestigious.  was it he who was a finalist last year as well?  i forget who it was in the landmark that received that last season.

ashworth for POY...hooray!  re-vamp your campaign starting now for next season, matt.  maybe JB will finally get his  (but against the defending POY?! hm!)



Some mediocre kid from Susquehanna, I think...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
ashworth for POY...hooray!  re-vamp your campaign starting now for next season, matt.  maybe JB will finally get his  (but against the defending POY?! hm!)

You just have to incite him, don't you? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2010, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
I thought SU's Majors should have landed a second team berth.


2009-10 All-Landmark Conference Men's Basketball Team
First Team
Pos, Name, Class, Hometown(High School)
G, Zach Ashworth, Scranton, Jr., Doylestown, Pa. (Central Bucks West)
F, Jason Banzhaf, Catholic, Jr., Livingston, N.J. (Seton Hall Prep.)
G, R.J. Dixon, Catholic, Jr., Charlotte, N.C. (Cannon School)
F, Matt Hueber, USMMA, Jr., Alexandria, Va. (Gonzaga College)
F, Eli Londo, Scranton, Sr., Hamlin, Pa. (North Pocono)
G, Ryan Samuel, USMMA, Sr., Cedar Hill, Texas (Cedar Hill)

Second Team
Pos, Name, Class, Hometown (High School)
G, Jeff Berkey, Juniata, Sr., Stoystown, Pa. (Shanksville-Stonycreek)
C, Chris Cullen, Moravian, Jr., East Islip, N.Y. (East Islip)
F, Tom Izzo, USMMA, Jr., Bridgeport, W.V. (Bridgeport)
G, Jon Snead, USMMA, So., Garden City, N.Y. (Holy Trinity)
G, Spenser Spencer, Susquehanna, So., Seattle, Wash. (Lakeside)
F, Eric Weaver, Moravian, Sr., Succasunna, N.J. (Roxbury)

Player of the Year: Zach Ashworth, Scranton
Defensive Player of the Year: Bryan Majors, Susquehanna
Co-Rookies of the Year: Terrell Brown, Drew; Harvey Pannell, Susquehanna
Coaching Staff of the Year: United States Merchant Marine Academy (Head Coach, John Krikorian)



Based off that it looks like USMMA is going to be stacked next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 05:44:19 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
ashworth for POY...hooray!  re-vamp your campaign starting now for next season, matt.  maybe JB will finally get his  (but against the defending POY?! hm!)

You just have to incite him, don't you? ;) ;) ;)

i mean, how can one resist.  however, i'm sure JB still won the Matt L. POY award, for the 2nd straight year!!!! (maybe even 3rd straight, going for the sweep next year!)

thegrove:  mediocre player from SU last year---must be referring to last year's Matt L POY runner-up. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 05:49:12 PM
OH, and ps....whats the deal with all the moravian love?
were they not the 2nd worst team in the conference??? and they get two players on the all-star teams???
...not to mention from what i saw they were mediocre players at best (weaver was a much better player as an underclassmen, but then again, he had mroe around him then)

in light of this, take it for what its worth everybody, but i say majors got snubbed.   

perhaps the coaches were consciously trying to not display its SU-favoritism like they did last year, giving all the awards to SU.  maybe they heard matt griping about Patch receiving POY last year as part of some conspiracy and thus tried reallly hard to rule out any past suspicions! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 02, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 05:49:12 PM
OH, and ps....whats the deal with all the moravian love?
were they not the 2nd worst team in the conference??? and they get two players on the all-star teams???
...not to mention from what i saw they were mediocre players at best (weaver was a much better player as an underclassmen, but then again, he had mroe around him then)

in light of this, take it for what its worth everybody, but i say majors got snubbed.   


perhaps the coaches were consciously trying to not display its SU-favoritism like they did last year, giving all the awards to SU.  maybe they heard matt griping about Patch receiving POY last year as part of some conspiracy and thus tried reallly hard to rule out any past suspicions! ;)

I totally agree. How can he be defensive player of the year and not show up on even the second-team list?? strange.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2010, 07:36:57 PM
What kind of fan support is their for the Merchant Marines?
Will they have a full house?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
From what I've heard, support for the b-ball team is not priority # 1. There were only 300 or so fans  I believe at their championship game on Sat.
Must all be out looking for Gilligan & the Skipper.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2010, 10:09:24 PM
Honestly guys---none of this even warrants a response because you aren't paying any attention...I think I made my feelings on POY and JB pretty clear...this year. 

That said, congrats to him and RJ Dixon for making 1st team all conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 02, 2010, 11:14:47 PM
no worries, matt, all in good fun.  after all, after this we may not speak til next fall!! but its been fun.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2010, 07:43:27 AM
Waiting for susdad.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 03, 2010, 08:21:34 AM
Ssssh, NEPAFAN, you'll conjure him up!!

Matt - my esteemed colleague is right - couldn't resist some joshing, especially since we know you didn't think JB was POY-worthy this year. And hey, SU is in the offseason, so what else is there to talk about?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 03, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
time to dust-off the golf bag!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 03, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
....maybe that's where susidad is??? took off for winter hibernation in florida with wife and golf clubs??
..if so, I am utterly jealous.    unless he merely got banned from the board?!? :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 03, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 03, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
time to dust-off the golf bag!!! ;D ;D

Then we have to switch to the Empire 8 board.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2010, 12:43:56 AM
  Newspaper sighting for incoming freshmen:
      Gazette Montgomery County, Md. Largest School Classification 4A
     Susquehanna  Jake Eskin guard 18.4 ppg Winston Churchill High School
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on March 05, 2010, 11:18:10 AM
Newspaper sighting for incoming freshmen:
      Gazette Montgomery County, Md. Largest School Classification 4A
     Susquehanna  Jake Eskin guard 18.4 ppg Winston Churchill High School.....

Wonder why Goucher didn't go after this recruit...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 05, 2010, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: tpm4286 on March 05, 2010, 11:18:10 AM
Newspaper sighting for incoming freshmen:
      Gazette Montgomery County, Md. Largest School Classification 4A
     Susquehanna  Jake Eskin guard 18.4 ppg Winston Churchill High School.....

Wonder why Goucher didn't go after this recruit...

Ronk,
How in the world did you find that?

TPM,
Maybe Goucher did recruit the kid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2010, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 05, 2010, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: tpm4286 on March 05, 2010, 11:18:10 AM
Newspaper sighting for incoming freshmen:
      Gazette Montgomery County, Md. Largest School Classification 4A
     Susquehanna  Jake Eskin guard 18.4 ppg Winston Churchill High School.....

Wonder why Goucher didn't go after this recruit...

Ronk,
How in the world did you find that?

TPM,
Maybe Goucher did recruit the kid.
It's in my local weekly newspaper, the same one that said last year that Nate Koenig was choosing Catholic. Plus one has to be interested in reading such stuff.
The note did say that the coach he'll play for next year was in attendance at this playoff game.
  Heard on Hoopsville that Lycoming had a different Baltimore-suburban player incoming next year.
  As to why Goucher "missed" out on them, I would offer that some D3 recruits are more accidental than hard recruiting like a family connection, a coaching connection, or a local alumnus on the lookout for such prospects.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 05, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
Ronk,

I assumed you were in the Scranton area.

D3 kids, especially the good ones, are recruited harder than you might think.

Just because he didn't choose Goucher, or any other school, doesn't mean he wasn't recruited by them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2010, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 05, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
Ronk,

I assumed you were in the Scranton area.

D3 kids, especially the good ones, are recruited harder than you might think.

Just because he didn't choose Goucher, or any other school, doesn't mean he wasn't recruited by them.
I agree, entirely with both your points; that's why I said some recruits are accidental and that "missed" includes recruited but not ultimately chosen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Ronk: thanks for the update. Seems coach Frank is aware he is losing his 4 year starter at guard & went right out & found one. Then, to top it off, he even went to see him play. Impressive!
Runs a bit contrary to the Scranton doctrine which seems to allow the best players to graduate, wait 2 years, then recruit within a 12 mile radius of campus.
Can't wait for your first report on a kid from suburban DC about to wear the Purple now that Brendan Fuller has graduated.
Three outstanding players from the DC area that did pretty well at the UofS beside Brendan...Irv Johnson, brother Phil & Bryant Thornwell. Give this current group of Royals just one of those kids!
By the way...enjoy the Lady Royals tonight...bring them some luck.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
Lady Royals +30 and I don't even know who they're playing.

A player saying he's going D-III in early March tells you quite a bit. For all I know the kid could have a great career but it usually means only a handful of D-III schools showed some interest.

Saratoga, you forgot the legendary Orie Glenn out of Owins Mills, Md. Former training site of the Baltimore Colts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2010, 01:17:49 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 05, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Ronk: thanks for the update. Seems coach Frank is aware he is losing his 4 year starter at guard & went right out & found one. Then, to top it off, he even went to see him play. Impressive!
Runs a bit contrary to the Scranton doctrine which seems to allow the best players to graduate, wait 2 years, then recruit within a 12 mile radius of campus.
Can't wait for your first report on a kid from suburban DC about to wear the Purple now that Brendan Fuller has graduated.
Three outstanding players from the DC area that did pretty well at the UofS beside Brendan...Irv Johnson, brother Phil & Bryant Thornwell. Give this current group of Royals just one of those kids!
By the way...enjoy the Lady Royals tonight...bring them some luck.

Unfortunately, Saratoga, my 1st report is a negative as I learned tonite that my suburban DC prospect will be going in a different direction(color?) than the Purple; but it's a fertile area and, with the Royals playing at least 2 Landmark games in the area every year now, maybe we'll find someone else in the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 06, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
look at my squad!!! continuing to prove me right---WINNING a tournament game. first ever for a LC team if im not mistaken.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2010, 10:30:16 AM
According to the boxscore, attendance was 357.  Feel the excitement!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 06, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
look at my squad!!! continuing to prove me right---WINNING a tournament game. first ever for a LC team if im not mistaken.

Your team?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2010, 05:37:31 PM
Anyone want to guess which Landmark team lost at home in the ECAC South semifinals today? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2010, 10:31:52 PM
I would like to thank the NCAA for having the games at a small gym and remote area in kings point for the first and second round.  And when the ad of mm yelled at me and my friends tonight because we said you lose and this is not showing kids how to be adults, it worried me about our future wimpy marines. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2010, 12:05:19 AM
From the front page...

Franklin and Marshall packed Merchant Marine's gym and came out of Long Island with a win, 73-64.

No way!

Docmarc, if your intention was to rile somebody up by talking trash about MM on this board, you're out of luck.  There hasn't been a MM siting on here since...well, ever.   None of us know if they even have fans.

They had a good year though--congrats to them for winning a tournament game putting up a pretty decent showing against a very good F&M team.

And yeah, uh, Catholic's season ended today too.  I was going to go into DC tomorrow for a game...now I'm not.

Let baseball commence.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 07, 2010, 02:55:12 AM
Cold Case, why are so many people on this board obsessed with Catholic?  So they lost to Alvernia, who cares?  They have a lot of talent but they can't win big games, not to say an ECAC game is big.  How well did Scranton or SU do in the ECAC tournament?  Why does Catholic lose big games?  They play too many people.  No chemistry.  They played 12 players.  Every 30 seconds they were bringing in subs!  Expect the same next year.  Top four next year - SU, Scranton, USMM, Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
F&M didn't pack the MM gym at all.  It's just that the gym was so small that 50 people would pack it.  F&M had maybe 100-150 people.  Maybe not even that many.  I didn't count.

Their athletic director embarrassed herself by yelling at the F&M fans.  Maybe it was because she never saw school spirit before.  I don't know, but I was there.  No F&M fan did anything REMOTELY out of line.  I know out of line.  MM's own fans were doing nothing different, and if anything they were worse.  But that said, THEY weren't even out of line.  Whatever the line is that you can't cross, neither school's fans even came close to approaching it.  But that athletic director acted like a sore loser by approaching F&M fans.  Get over it lady.  You lose.  We win.  On to the next opponent. 

With that said, the MM team itself was a good team that played a good game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
CU, it has nothing to do with the kids playing for Catholic. Just riding Matt, it's fun.
For the record, Scranton, from what I heard, turned down the invite and why not.
Regarding CUA playing too many people, I have to agree but Alvernia only had 10 players and I think pehaps the CUA coach felt he could wear them down.
The one thing I found alarming was CUA kept pounding the ball to the low blocks four out of every five possessions.
Did their coach ever think of spreading the floor and work the perimeter to keep all five player in the flow of the game. CUA does have some shooters, why not allow them to play their game as well?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2010, 10:25:56 AM
Maybe cold case is trying to replicate the old Scranton-Wilkes/kings rivalry with CUA.


Any way Londo has another year of eligibilty?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2010, 10:25:56 AM
Maybe cold case is trying to replicate the old Scranton-Wilkes/kings rivalry with CUA.

Any way Londo has another year of eligibilty?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTz0oisC3F4
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 07, 2010, 04:27:54 PM
For the record about MM Athletic Director, as told by crambam:

Basically, here's the story--as is the case at any average basketball game, especially a big one, the fans were supporting their team. 

Dare I say it, the MM fans were yelling when our guys were shooting foul shots!  The HORROR!

And F&M fans were doing the same when MM players were on the foul line.

GASP!

At one point, they were referring to Anthony Brooks as Dennis Rodman.  That was probably the WORST thing done by either side the whole night, and who cares?  That's nothing. 

So at one point, with a F&M player on the foul line, the MM fans did an airball chant.  You never see that.

When the guy hit the foul shot, WE did a mocking airball chant. 

He missed the second shot, and they were all happy, and the F&M fans responding with a teasing "we are winning" chant.  Yes, because words like WINNING are so evil.

Anyway, the game continues, and it becomes evident that they are just fouling and not mounting a serious comeback, and one of our fans stands up and yells, "YOU LOSE!"  He did that I think just 2 times, at the top of his lungs.

The athletic director then goes on her little rant.

She basically whined about how this is not the way to teach kids.  What?

Since when do fans of an opposing team have an obligation to teach kids anything?  More important, we didn't do anything!  The MM fans were far less courteous than the F&M fans, and THEY weren't doing anything wrong either.

Newsflash!  It was a basketball game.  Fans yell!

Another F&M fan politely reminded this lady that if these kids can't take what was going on in this basketball game, how would they do in the real military?  It was so out of line you can only make fun of it, but really, this lady had no business talking to anyone in the F&M section.

No one did anything wrong on either side.  She came off as a moron who was bitter because her team lost.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 07, 2010, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 06, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
look at my squad!!! continuing to prove me right---WINNING a tournament game. first ever for a LC team if im not mistaken.

Your team?!

my squad as in the team i had chosen from day 1 to be the best in the LC this season, is all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 08, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: cugrad on March 07, 2010, 02:55:12 AM
  How well did Scranton or SU do in the ECAC tournament? 

in all of my years of watching SU basketball, they have never played in the ECACs.  what does it mean? nothing.  more or less a pity party. so before you go bragging about being in it and others werent, dont forget hte fact that the others more likely than not did not want to play in it.  if you dont win your conference tournament/get an at-large, i think it is time to cut your losses.  why did CUA perform poorly? maybe at this point in the year, the kids are ready for a break, and thus, played with no passion/desire/intensity--after all, what were they truly playing for in the long run?  perhaps that is why SU, and it appears scranton as well, defers ECAC invites. 

another win or two may look pretty on your record, but whatever value this boosted final record has in recruiting is far out-weighed when the coach must explain, for example, the team lost in the conference semi's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2010, 10:21:09 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 07, 2010, 04:27:54 PM
Another F&M fan politely reminded this lady that if these kids can't take what was going on in this basketball game, how would they do in the real military?  It was so out of line you can only make fun of it, but really, this lady had no business talking to anyone in the F&M section.
No one did anything wrong on either side.  She came off as a moron who was bitter because her team lost.

Just like you have no business looking for something to flame about on this board.
If you had any guts you would have come here before the game instead of waiting for the outcome to post your swill.
And speaking of losing, I believe F&M is the embarrassing answer to a trivia question:
Name the only school with the most appearances (FIVE) in the D-III final four that hasn't won a championship?
I call on Pat Coleman or d-mac for verification.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 10:39:51 AM
I would have gladly ripped on that athletic director before the game, but she hadn't done anything stupid yet.

It's not looking to flame, nor is it about a lack of guts.  It was a legitimate complaint that happened AT the game, so it would be tough to talk about something beforehand.

As for flaming, I don't need to flame.  We won.  MM lost.

Given that F&M's appearances in the Final Four were 1979, 1991, 2000, 2004, and 2009, no single player ever played on 2 final four teams, so other than the same coach and school, the teams have nothing in common. 

No F&M fan did anything to warrant the approach of the athletic director.  Maybe if she had any class, and wasn't just a sore loser, she would have the decency to apologize.  Of course, the chances of that are about the same as MM playing another game this year. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 08, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Hoopit really knows how to kill joy - Any team i'm sure relishes the chance to play in March, especially D3 when, for seniors, it could be their last time hitting a basketball court. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 08, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Great trivia question cold case- did you think of that all by yourself?  You probably have some more time to come up with more questions now that MM is out of the tourney.  Enjoy the offseason!

Can Pat Coleman or D-mac confirm that this fan's team has been eliminated? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2010, 11:14:40 AM
Okay, for the last time:

Neither coldcase nor anybody else who has posted here has anything to do with MM.  Nor do they "root" for them except possibly wanting them to do well as a representative of the Conference.  Coldcase is associated with another school (rival), as am I and everybody else on this board.  

So I'm just not sure exactly who are you preaching to.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 08, 2010, 10:39:51 AM
No F&M fan did anything to warrant the approach of the athletic director.  Maybe if she had any class, and wasn't just a sore loser, she would have the decency to apologize. 

Why are you telling this board about the Kings Point AD? Why not write a letter to the school Admiral or President?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 11:21:08 AM
What does one thing have to do with the other?  We can actually do both!

Matt--point taken, though Cold Case is the one that seemed to take up the MM cause for whatever reason. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2010, 11:21:16 AM
Landmark fans watching each others back? Sign of the times that warrants a karma point for Matt.
WOW! Call me crazy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 08, 2010, 11:25:02 AM
Fans of a team in the centennial conference decided to come to the Landmark conference board to discuss their feelings about a game they attended against a Landmark Conference team at a Landmark conference gym.  How does that discussion not apply to the landmark conference?  I dont think its preaching, simply discussing the experience.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2010, 11:30:43 AM
But when you think about, nobody cares. Especially the Kings Point faithful of which there are none on here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2010, 11:56:12 AM
Calling the AD of school a moron isn't going to win you any points either!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2010, 02:16:18 PM
CC: Great catch on Orie Glenn! Now that I think of it, I believe he even coached a few years with Bess after graduation.
F&M posters...sorry about the cheesy treatment at the MMA. Unfortunately, they don't have any posters that I'm aware of on this site so you're kind of preaching to the choir. Being able to support your team with catchy chants, yelling or getting on the refs is part of the game. Someone should send her to a game at Maryland...she'd probably need 6 months of shock therapy after the first half. Take in a game at Duke & get a feel for what opposing players get from tipoff to the final buzzer. Sounds like a miserable host who stepped into a realm she had no business visiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2010, 07:37:31 PM
cold-case
QuoteAnd speaking of losing, I believe F&M is the embarrassing answer to a trivia question:
Name the only school with the most appearances (FIVE) in the D-III final four that hasn't won a championship?
I believe you are probably correct. I've been to all FIVE, and it's certainly disappointing but not embarrassing.
A more embarrassing question might be whose team has never been to a D-III Final Four.
Five appearances is an indication of strong program over a long period starting with the first appearance in 1979.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopit123 on March 08, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
what conference is Wesley a part of?   we should find that board and rub it in i guess; that's the new trend these days.   but then again, i dont think any of us care that much to exert that extra energy!! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 08:59:00 PM
I really don't care about winning points with the athletic director of MM.  She WAS a moron, and WAY out of line.  She embarrassed herself and her school. 

I don't think I mentioned this yet, but she actually complained to Coach Robinson after the game.  He really didn't care.

You WANT your fans to come out and support you on the road--especially in a game like that.

It's one thing to "watch someone's back," but not when that person is 100 percent in the wrong.

I don't think I could defend OUR OWN athletic director if they treated fans from another team that way.

Again, there fans, when they actually did cheer, were worse--and THEY did nothing wrong either.

And I agree with reserved seat.  While I would LOVE for F&M to win the championship, and would be thrilled if they make the final four again, even if they don't win the whole thing.  I would rather have 100 trips to the final four than to never get there.

F&M will have a tough time getting to the Elite Eight.  Hopefully the experience this past weekend will help them move forward. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2010, 09:34:13 PM
I think the point I was trying to get at is...umm, okay.

I'm really completely indifferent to the whole thing. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 08, 2010, 11:05:24 PM
Cold case- any more trivia questions to show how smart you really are?  I cannot wait.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 09, 2010, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2010, 07:37:31 PM
cold-case
QuoteAnd speaking of losing, I believe F&M is the embarrassing answer to a trivia question:
Name the only school with the most appearances (FIVE) in the D-III final four that hasn't won a championship?
I believe you are probably correct. I've been to all FIVE, and it's certainly disappointing but not embarrassing.
A more embarrassing question might be whose team has never been to a D-III Final Four.
Five appearances is an indication of strong program over a long period starting with the first appearance in 1979.

I've been to all FOUR of the team I followed and covered. You should feel what is was like to see them win TWO national titles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 09, 2010, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 08, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
what conference is Wesley a part of?   we should find that board and rub it in i guess; that's the new trend these days.   but then again, i dont think any of us care that much to exert that extra energy!! 

Nah, us Landmarkers are more classy than that. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2010, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 09, 2010, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: hoopit123 on March 08, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
what conference is Wesley a part of?   we should find that board and rub it in i guess; that's the new trend these days.   but then again, i dont think any of us care that much to exert that extra energy!! 

Nah, us Landmarkers are more classy than that. 8-)


Yeah, right.


Anyone know where Danzig's kid is going to college? He led the Lackawanna League in scoring this year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
  I talked with Coach Danzig at the Goucher game about his son and he said it was interesting being on the other end of the recruiting scenario from his usual position of the pursuer, but he didn't say what schools were being considered.
  It'll be interesting to see how he does in the state playoffs against a different level of competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2010, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
  I talked with Coach Danzig at the Goucher game about his son and he said it was interesting being on the other end of the recruiting scenario from his usual position of the pursuer, but he didn't say what schools were being considered.
  It'll be interesting to see how he does in the state playoffs against a different level of competition.

You just can't answer the question, could you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2010, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 10, 2010, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
  I talked with Coach Danzig at the Goucher game about his son and he said it was interesting being on the other end of the recruiting scenario from his usual position of the pursuer, but he didn't say what schools were being considered.
  It'll be interesting to see how he does in the state playoffs against a different level of competition.

You just can't answer the question, could you?

  That's correct and I wouldn't disclose it, if I could, before I saw it in the public media. Just offering some peripheral comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2010, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 10, 2010, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
  I talked with Coach Danzig at the Goucher game about his son and he said it was interesting being on the other end of the recruiting scenario from his usual position of the pursuer, but he didn't say what schools were being considered.
  It'll be interesting to see how he does in the state playoffs against a different level of competition.

You just can't answer the question, could you?

Can you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2010, 02:00:04 PM
Sure I could and when or if I do, I won't play the CIA nonsense either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2010, 03:16:47 PM
"From his usual position of the pursuer"...must be reliving his Bucknell days!  :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2010, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 10, 2010, 03:16:47 PM
"From his usual position of the pursuer"...must be reliving his Bucknell days!  :-\

   Good one!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
  I talked with Coach Danzig at the Goucher game about his son and he said it was interesting being on the other end of the recruiting scenario from his usual position of the pursuer, but he didn't say what schools were being considered.
  It'll be interesting to see how he does in the state playoffs against a different level of competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t8zNU_dbN0&feature=related
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2010, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2010, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 10, 2010, 03:16:47 PM
"From his usual position of the pursuer"...must be reliving his Bucknell days!  :-\

   Good one!


Ouch. I imagine he has been trying to sell his kid on the U.


CC you like family guy or something?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 10:02:02 AM
Huge recruiting coup for Catholic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2010/03/billy_donovan_set_to_join_cath.html

6'1 guard Billy Donovan (yep, that Billy Donovan) out of Gainesville, Florida.

Certainly says something about the CUA program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 10:34:18 AM
Here's a story from the FL end:

http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/10519/billy-ds-son/

I love this quote from Coach Donovan:

"It's a great school," Donovan said. "Their coach, Steve Howes, came down to watch him play last season. He's a great guy."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2010, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 10:02:02 AM
Huge recruiting coup for Catholic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2010/03/billy_donovan_set_to_join_cath.html

6'1 guard Billy Donovan (yep, that Billy Donovan) out of Gainesville, Florida.

Certainly says something about the CUA program.

Howes cannot comment on prospective recruits until they enroll in school.
   Presumably, announcing and describing the recruits is not considered commenting because in the past recruits have frequently been disclosed before fall enrollment.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2010, 01:20:35 PM
Similarly,I remember that Martelli's (St Joes) kid was at Scranton for a year or two and played on the team.

Interesting that Donavan describes Catholic as running a Division 1 type program. Catholic seems to be like the Redskins, they make noise in the offseason and don't do anything when they actually play the games!  ;D


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 12, 2010, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 10:02:02 AM
Huge recruiting coup for Catholic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2010/03/billy_donovan_set_to_join_cath.html

6'1 guard Billy Donovan (yep, that Billy Donovan) out of Gainesville, Florida.

Certainly says something about the CUA program.

Chris Ford's kid played at Drew. I guess that said something about their program?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2010, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 12, 2010, 10:02:02 AM
Huge recruiting coup for Catholic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2010/03/billy_donovan_set_to_join_cath.html

6'1 guard Billy Donovan (yep, that Billy Donovan) out of Gainesville, Florida.

Certainly says something about the CUA program.

Chris Ford's kid played at Drew. I guess that said something about their program?

Can I be mean for a second?  (C'mon, I'm never mean...)

Chris Ford career coaching record:  323-376
Billy Donovan career coaching record: 345-146

Why as a matter fact, yes, yes it does say something about the respective programs.  (Cough cough.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 13, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Ford coached NBA, Billy D. is college.
Were you really trying to be mean? You're not a priest, are you??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 13, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Ford coached NBA, Billy D. is college.
Were you really trying to be mean? You're not a priest, are you??

Well, more like snarky.

As a Celtics fan I'm well aware of Chris Ford's career...

No, I'm not a priest, unless the Catholic Church has dramatically changed the rules of marriage and children.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2010, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 13, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Ford coached NBA, Billy D. is college.
Were you really trying to be mean? You're not a priest, are you??

Well, more like snarky.

As a Celtics fan I'm well aware of Chris Ford's career...

No, I'm not a priest, unless the Catholic Church has dramatically changed the rules of marriage and children.


The NBA? What is that?

I think this is nice PR for Catholic, coupled with playing Notre Dame to start of their season. Good for them and the Landmark Conference. However, you don't know what you have in Donovan , it isn't like he has some super college coaching genes. Like everyone else that comes to school in the fall we shall see.

The Priesthood might have been your true calling...because  I don't know what that was, but it wasn't mean or snarky!


BTW, our F&M friends have redirected their fire towards DMAC and his F&M bias over on the Centinnel board...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2010, 12:01:39 PM
Thanks, NEPAFAN... just add fuel to that fire! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 12:44:22 PM
Chris Ford also coached Brandeis. Poorly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 14, 2010, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2010, 12:01:39 PM
Thanks, NEPAFAN... just add fuel to that fire! :)

Why? I watched their game Friday night and thought it was great when the announcers brought up F&M being on the road when they're always hosting the NCAA's.
Glad I wasn't the only one that realized it. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
cold_case... some people are knew to Division III and haven't been around long enough to be old and cancerous as yourself - so they may not be aware of F&M's history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 14, 2010, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
cold_case... some people are knew to Division III and haven't been around long enough to be old and cancerous as yourself - so they may not be aware of F&M's history.

Cancerous? Try a better choice word, Dave. The announcers didn't sound old and they knew the F&M history.
Don't know if you just came on here to scold me but if you read my post, I didn't take a shot at them. I was glad others know about the political nonsense that went on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
cold_case... I WAS THE ANNOUNCER! :) So yes, I am not old and I do know F&M's history!

Your last comment just seemed like you were saying, "duh, we already know that stuff! Why are you bringing it up?" So I thought it was a bit of a shot (based on other comments in the past). Apparently, I am wrong and for that I apologize.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 14, 2010, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
cold_case... I WAS THE ANNOUNCER! :) So yes, I am not old and I do know F&M's history!

Your last comment just seemed like you were saying, "duh, we already know that stuff! Why are you bringing it up?" So I thought it was a bit of a shot (based on other comments in the past). Apparently, I am wrong and for that I apologize.

Past posts aside.
I jumped out of my chair when I heard it. Thought it was like someone heard me griping for years and decided to toss a grenade at them. Was shocked someone knew about the shady garbage that used to land F&M the host on a near annual basis, even in the ECAC's.
That's all. Apology accepted.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 14, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 14, 2010, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
cold_case... some people are knew to Division III and haven't been around long enough to be old and cancerous as yourself - so they may not be aware of F&M's history.

Cancerous? Try a better choice word, Dave. The announcers didn't sound old and they knew the F&M history.
Don't know if you just came on here to scold me but if you read my post, I didn't take a shot at them. I was glad others know about the political nonsense that went on.

Ditto on the word choice, CC.

D-Mac, "cancerous" isn't a good way to describe anyone - even Cold Case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Maybe he was going for cantankerous.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Yeah - that was the word I wanted - sorry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 14, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Yeah - that was the word I wanted - sorry.

No debate on that one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 14, 2010, 09:44:44 PM
So, Mike Lonergan will be taking on Syracuse in the first round of the NCAA tourneys...good luck to him!  Down with the Orange.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2010, 10:12:22 PM
Looking forward to the Cornell-Temple matchup. Cornell has a good squad and is a like minded institution! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Maybe he was going for cantankerous.

  That's why Pat is the moderator. Let the record show that the word was cantankerous.

Dmac,
  Hang in there! And I hope Bob Q. takes you up on your offer to pick him up on the way to Salem; always have enjoyed his reasoned analysis on D3 hoops topics. Your solution was as good as your previous one to solve the Landmark snow postponements by switching the travel partner game to midweek.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2010, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 14, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Yeah - that was the word I wanted - sorry.

No debate on that one.

Ouch, with friends like Lefty...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 10:31:13 AM
I understand that Pennsbury HS has a point guard that played against Scranton HS last night in Pa. state playoffs & lit them up for 20 points, had a number of assists & handles the ball & press with ease. Although his team lost, I was told he was the most "complete" player on the floor & Scranton HS has some pretty nice individual talent.
Since the UofS is in dire need of a point that can step in & run a college team as a freshman, one could only hope that he may have had the Royals on the short list of schools he's still considering.
Sorry Royal fans...the word is he's "already" committed to Ursinus. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 18, 2010, 10:32:12 AM
Good morning, and to Nepafan, as a life long fan of Temple University, i hope they mop the court with Cornell in that first round!  It probably will not happen, but i'm really rooting for Bobby Mo to make Villanova wish they'd never made the trip!  Actually just can not wait for both the Men's & Women's tourneys to get started!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
I wouldn't underestimate the boys from Ithaca Kate. Even though Coach Dunphy spent many years working with the kids at Penn...working on Broad St. is a totally different world...in about every way possible.
My pick...the Big Red from the "Like-Minded" Ivy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 18, 2010, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 10:31:13 AM
I understand that Pennsbury HS has a point guard that played against Scranton HS last night in Pa. state playoffs & lit them up for 20 points, had a number of assists & handles the ball & press with ease. Although his team lost, I was told he was the most "complete" player on the floor & Scranton HS has some pretty nice individual talent.
Since the UofS is in dire need of a point that can step in & run a college team as a freshman, one could only hope that he may have had the Royals on the short list of schools he's still considering.
Sorry Royal fans...the word is he's "already" committed to Ursinus. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

So you would prefer Scranton going after him and telling an outstanding point guard who turned down a small D-I offer to get lost?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
CC: And just where did you gleem that assumption? If you have info. (and not CIA cryptic info.), please share.
What I said was it appeared there was a pretty nice guard that at some point recently made the decision to attend Ursinus. If the Royals have an "outstanding point guard who turned down a small D-1 offer" coming in, please share the details.
I don't think I'd ever suggest telling the next Mark Hutchinson to "get lost".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 18, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
CC: And just where did you gleem that assumption? If you have info. (and not CIA cryptic info.), please share.
What I said was it appeared there was a pretty nice guard that at some point recently made the decision to attend Ursinus. If the Royals have an "outstanding point guard who turned down a small D-1 offer" coming in, please share the details.
I don't think I'd ever suggest telling the next Mark Hutchinson to "get lost".

Todd Bailey made Hutch and you know that. Can't share but drop me an e-mail. I know NEPAFAN tipped you off to this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2010, 03:57:29 PM
Of course I get lumped into this somehow.


Saratoga, the kid is Jewish so I don't think Scranton was high on his radar. Can we the Coach staffing some time? I don't know what they are bringing in but let's see what official announcements come out in the late spring/early summer. (Glad Scranton actually releases recruits names.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 18, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
Frankly, until a kid shows up at practice on the first day, at this level is sort of useless worrying about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2010, 04:45:40 PM
Gents, I don't believe I ever stated who is coming & who isn't & who can play right away or who can't. All I said was I was told this kid from Pennsbury can play & that he's going to Ursinus. Nothing more. At that point we were informed a  supposed small time D-1 player is headed for the Long Center. I know nothing about him & would never comment unless I've either seen him play myself or he's been seen by someone I know that knows the game.
From spending over 20 years coaching, trust me, until the deposits are in (usually first week of May)...nothing is guaranteed. And, even then, kids change their minds. Sometimes the word leaks out that a certain player is coming & his mind is made up etc. etc. & that's great...just have not heard of any recruits thus far for the Royals.
That said, they still better be working on a serious point & some size that can play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
I wasn't accusing you of that , Saratoga. I was accusing you of jumping the gun, since we don't know who he is bringing in. If you want to criticize on 1 May or (fine for the sake of arguement) 15 November that is fine. But  way to early to start throwing bombs! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 18, 2010, 05:32:17 PM
Anyone here on facebook. I just found out about it and am looking to add.
Congress people, sports fans, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2010, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: kate on March 18, 2010, 10:32:12 AM
Good morning, and to Nepafan, as a life long fan of Temple University, i hope they mop the court with Cornell in that first round!  It probably will not happen, but i'm really rooting for Bobby Mo to make Villanova wish they'd never made the trip!  Actually just can not wait for both the Men's & Women's tourneys to get started!

Kate thought the like minded comment would bring you out. Didn't realize you were a Temple fan! Enjoy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 19, 2010, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 18, 2010, 05:32:17 PM
Anyone here on facebook. I just found out about it and am looking to add.
Congress people, sports fans, etc.

I'm not too hard to find on FB. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 19, 2010, 10:32:14 AM
That was my point. A couple of us sought an add but you stiffed us. ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 19, 2010, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 19, 2010, 10:32:14 AM
That was my point. A couple of us sought an add but you stiffed us. ???

Ahh...well, I never accept friend requests from people who I don't know!  You can write a note with it--if I had seen "cold case" I would have accepted it.  But I don't know anyone's real names and I'm always getting random requests--half the time from some strange country.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
Big Red can't miss! Doesn't look good early Kate!


Unrelated, does anyone know how to get my old videos on a Video Tape onto Youtube?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 19, 2010, 03:11:22 PM
That game certainly didn't make my day :-\, however, Wisconsin will hopefully send em back to Ithaca (maybe).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 20, 2010, 03:46:20 PM
NEPA: Just for the record, I was not criticizing anyone for poor recruiting when I mentioned the kid from Pennsbury. It is a bit early & time will certainly tell how good or not so good this recruiting class will be.
The reality is Scranton has some pretty obvious needs in order to move to the next level (winning after Landmark playoffs), and hopefully, some really capable kids will be chipping in real soon.
Certainly was not my intent to throw any bombs...just hope they can bring in some kids that can!  :D
St. Mary's over Nova...very nice!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 21, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
   Nice to hear Scranton bball mentioned on the championship telecasts yesterday. On the men's side, they had a graphic of multiple champions and Scranton was tied for 3rd place with 2; UW-SP then moved ahead of them by winning its 3rd.
  On the women's side, they showed some hilites of Hope winning in 2006 and noted they had a tougher battle in the semifinal beating the Mellody/Matt team 59-56. Also, Friday nite Wash U replaced Scranton as the leader in NCAA tournament wins. Hopefully, the Lady Royals can reclaim the lead next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Ronk,

I saw that graphic too. Pretty cool and enjoyed watching the center from Williamsthrow it down.


http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf

Congrats to Zach Ashworth 5th team all American by d3 news. Banzhaf was honorable mention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 23, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 21, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
   Nice to hear Scranton bball mentioned on the championship telecasts yesterday. On the men's side, they had a graphic of multiple champions and Scranton was tied for 3rd place with 2; UW-SP then moved ahead of them by winning its 3rd.
  On the women's side, they showed some hilites of Hope winning in 2006 and noted they had a tougher battle in the semifinal beating the Mellody/Matt team 59-56. Also, Friday nite Wash U replaced Scranton as the leader in NCAA tournament wins. Hopefully, the Lady Royals can reclaim the lead next year.
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Ronk,

I saw that graphic too. Pretty cool and enjoyed watching the center from Williamsthrow it down.


http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf

Congrats to Zach Ashworth 5th team all American by d3 news. Banzhaf was honorable mention.

Back-to-back Killington Awards. Cool. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 24, 2010, 09:01:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 23, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 21, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
   Nice to hear Scranton bball mentioned on the championship telecasts yesterday. On the men's side, they had a graphic of multiple champions and Scranton was tied for 3rd place with 2; UW-SP then moved ahead of them by winning its 3rd.
  On the women's side, they showed some hilites of Hope winning in 2006 and noted they had a tougher battle in the semifinal beating the Mellody/Matt team 59-56. Also, Friday nite Wash U replaced Scranton as the leader in NCAA tournament wins. Hopefully, the Lady Royals can reclaim the lead next year.
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Ronk,

I saw that graphic too. Pretty cool and enjoyed watching the center from Williamsthrow it down.


http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf

Congrats to Zach Ashworth 5th team all American by d3 news. Banzhaf was honorable mention.

Back-to-back Killington Awards. Cool. 8-)


Better than your phantom recruits postings.

Matt,

I heard a rumor that St Johns is looking at Billy Donavan to fill their vacant Head Coaching spot. At least he can be one of 10 people to see his kid play when Catholic makes the trip up to Kings' Point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 24, 2010, 07:49:36 PM
ARLINGTON, Va.- Each year, a non-profit organization called Wreaths Across America honors fallen U.S. veterans by placing over 100,000 wreathes in more than 300 locations nationwide. The group preaches one message: "Remember the fallen; Honor those who serve; Teach our children the value of freedom."

This simple, yet powerful slogan is the foundation for an organization that has grown from humble beginnings into a National movement to honor the sacrifices of American servicemen and women. It was a message that Steve Howes, CUA head men's basketball coach, hoped to instil in his players when he signed them up to volunteer at this year's event.

"A lot of members of my family have been in the service, and I know the sacrifice that they put forth," said head coach Steve Howes. 'Given the fact that our country is involved in two conflicts right now, I thought it would be appropriate for our guys to honor the service of so many men and women."

The team met on the chilly morning of December 12, 2009 to volunteer at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Va. Although the young men were not thrilled to be riding a metro train at 6 a.m., their sleepiness turned to awe soon after they arrived.

"Many had never visited Arlington," said Howes, "So I think the size and scope of it all was shocking to them."

This year, more than 6,000 volunteers placed 15,000 wreathes on the graves of the fallen. The men's basketball team also joined forced with 75 members of the Alumni Association to represent Catholic University at this year's event.

"It was great for the alumni to interact with our guys and to see them doing something other than playing basketball," the head coach noted.

Howes believes that by instilling the WAA's motto of "Remember, Honor, and Teach," his players will walk away with a new appreciation for the sacrifices of those who have given their lives.

"Many of those serving are their ages," he said. "I wanted to give them some perspective on how fortunate they are to be in college and playing a sport."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 30, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
Ouch!  Gets out of Salt Lake City and look what happens!

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2010/03/moravian_college_basketball_re.html

Moravian College basketball recruit charged with underage drinking
By JD Malone
March 26, 2010, 3:15PM
A Moravian College men's basketball recruit got drunk at an off-campus party Thursday night and vomited on himself while in a police cruiser, according to police.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2010, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 30, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
Ouch!  Gets out of Salt Lake City and look what happens!

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2010/03/moravian_college_basketball_re.html

Moravian College basketball recruit charged with underage drinking
By JD Malone
March 26, 2010, 3:15PM
A Moravian College men's basketball recruit got drunk at an off-campus party Thursday night and vomited on himself while in a police cruiser, according to police.



Wow. Post of the year. I laughed at first but then read the details. Vomit wasn't the only bodily fluid in that police cruiser. Can you imagine the kid's parents? This kid probably never touched a beer in his life, his parents are sending him across the country, Coach says he is going to watch over the kid during his trip , next thing you know he is at twice the legal limit.  There has to be some discplinary action against the coaching staff, no? Needless to say I bet he is going to BYU in the fall.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 01, 2010, 12:31:11 AM
One would think he is not likely to be showing up in the Landmark Conference next year.  And yeah--you'd figure that somebody's head is going to roll.

I think your scenario is probably exactly right.  Breaks out of Utah, goes wild for the first time...doesn't end well. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 01, 2010, 05:35:36 PM
  Scranton's Sean Kearney will be replaced as head coach @ Holy Cross after a 9-22 year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 05, 2010, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 01, 2010, 05:35:36 PM
  Scranton's Sean Kearney will be replaced as head coach @ Holy Cross after a 9-22 year.


more must be going on behind the scenes here............
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on April 05, 2010, 09:42:27 PM
More non-Landmark related posts by the Killington twins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 07, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/boys-player-of-the-year-abington-heights-senior-ross-danzig-1.718928
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 09, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
Matt:


Hearing that Longeran is going to interview for the Seton Hall position. Seems to be having more success than Kearny did at Holy Cross!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 09, 2010, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 09, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
Matt:


Hearing that Longeran is going to interview for the Seton Hall position. Seems to be having more success than Kearny did at Holy Cross!

He did interview, but didn't get the job.  It went to the Iona coach, I believe.  It is still great for him to get consideration for a Big East job like that, and now we'll have to see if Rutgers, Clemson or Wake Forest looks at him!

Holy Cross has also targeted him, but I'm not sure that job makes much sense for him.  Word is they had reached out to him before last year, but he was not interested.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 03, 2010, 10:29:27 AM
Scranton Lands First Commitment ....


LANSDALE — It was a day to celebrate the accomplishments of Lansdale Catholic's student-athletes and also a day to look forward.

Sixteen seniors announced their commitment to compete on an athletic team next year at the collegiate level at a press conference in the school's library on Thursday.

Athletes recognized included basketball standout Mike Barr, who will take his talents to the University of Scranton.


Barr, LC's MVP, averaged 19.6 points a game and was a Markward Award honoree. He selected Scranton over a final list that included Moravian, DeSales and Washington College.

"It was just a feeling ," he said of his decision to attend Scranton. "I stepped on the campus, and I really liked it. I knew that was where I wanted to be.

"It's always been a dream for me to play at the college level. It's been a real tough couple of years working together, but in the end, when you get to sign with a college, it's a great feeling."

http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2010/04/30/sports/srv0000008164915.txt
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 03, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
It is with a tad of disappointment that I report thar Catholic U has landed a good one in Pittsburgh Sewickley Academy's Pete Schramm.   Now then, don't jump on me.. the disappointment is due to the fact that one of the schools beaten out was my alma mater RPI.  I made a call to the Schramm household in support of RPI and had just a great conversation with Mr. Schramm (pop), and was just tremendously impressed with his description of the diligence put into the family's search for the right school...  that, coupled with my appreciation for Catholic's fine D3 hoops history, lets me accept RPI's loss a little easier.  

Schramm was someone RPI really wanted.... he's looking at mechanical engineering - I assume CUA must have a good engineering program.... he's listed as 6'7 on the roster - I believe he averaged 12 ppg, but haven't seen stats... RPI loved him......  and his team won the State Championship in Pa  (smaller schools)...  best of luck to Pete....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2010, 12:09:52 AM
  And Tyler Palmer, son of Sewickley's coach, has chosen Wittenberg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2010, 12:40:59 AM
Nepa,
  Mike Barr looks like a good one; picture and athlete of week description in thereporteronline for 2/16/2010.

- What Lansdale Catholic coach Bernie Fitzgerald said: "Michael Barr is the hardest working kid I have ever coached," said Fitzgerald last Saturday. "I know he's gonna close out strong, and I think he drags the rest of the team with him."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 05, 2010, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: hopefan on May 03, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
It is with a tad of disappointment that I report thar Catholic U has landed a good one in Pittsburgh Sewickley Academy's Pete Schramm.   Now then, don't jump on me.. the disappointment is due to the fact that one of the schools beaten out was my alma mater RPI.  I made a call to the Schramm household in support of RPI and had just a great conversation with Mr. Schramm (pop), and was just tremendously impressed with his description of the diligence put into the family's search for the right school...  that, coupled with my appreciation for Catholic's fine D3 hoops history, lets me accept RPI's loss a little easier.  

Schramm was someone RPI really wanted.... he's looking at mechanical engineering - I assume CUA must have a good engineering program.... he's listed as 6'7 on the roster - I believe he averaged 12 ppg, but haven't seen stats... RPI loved him......  and his team won the State Championship in Pa  (smaller schools)...  best of luck to Pete....


I am a bit confused, Why is a HOPEFAN lobbying for RPI? Catholic continues to land talent..but little to show for it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 05, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
NEPA   RPI grad and coach in 70's but an MBA took me to Michigan, where I became hopefan in the 80s -   even though I've been in St Louis the last 20+ years..... ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 05, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
      By chance, happened to golf today with asst hi school coach of Susquehanna recruit Jake Eskin(6'1", 18 ppg-Winston Churchill,  Montgomery County,Md.); he said Jake was a very good point guard at running the offense and making on-the floor decisions in addition to his scoring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 27, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+4583



Juniata recruiting class is complete and posted on their website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 27, 2010, 02:00:49 PM
Scranton's 2010/11 schedule is up & it's as horrible as the past few years...probably worse.
Still no contact with schools from the Centennial or Empire 8 and way too much involvement with schools not very "like minded" if you know what I mean.
Can't wait for the advance sales to open for the Raddison. Talk about a group of schools worth standing in line for 3 hours to see.
Forget Kean & Montclair St. & whatever the hell a D'Youville is...there are schools like Muhlenberg, Dickinson, Ursinus & Hamilton only 2 hours or less away with far more basketball tradition than these schools have combined.
Looks like the women will lead in attendance yet again.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 27, 2010, 04:26:38 PM
Susquehanna wins the 2009-10 President's Cup.  ;D

http://www.gosusqu.com/sports/women/sball/2009-10/news/spring-2009-10_presidents-cup
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2010, 01:13:25 PM
Saratoga, you are SO full of it - sometimes i can read what you type and ignore, or chuckle over it, but with my Phils in their funk right now, i'm in a p---y mood.  If people from those schools you knocked are checking this site- let's just say if it was me, i'd be "royally" annoyed!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 28, 2010, 02:41:51 PM
Kate: Last week you were crying for something to talk about...so I served it up for you on a platter...just like the Phillies pitchers these days.
As far as checking "this site", I'm not too sure the computer age has arrived at D'Youville just yet!
Have a great Memorial Day & put some Phillie franks on the barbie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
You are soooooo kind - Happy Memorial Day to you & everyone at this site!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Breaking News out of Scranton.....Cazenovia has been added to the PNC Holiday Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 04, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Breaking News out Scranton.....Cazenovia has been added to the PNC Holiday Tournament.

Spenser Spencer is his own team now?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 04, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The Pope just named the President of Catholic University the Bishop of Trenton NJ.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/pope_benedict_names_new_bishop.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 04, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on June 04, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The Pope just named the President of Catholic University the Bishop of Trenton NJ.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/pope_benedict_names_new_bishop.html


OT but... when will Harrisburg get its new bishop??? Seems like we always have to wait forever.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 04, 2010, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on June 04, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on June 04, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The Pope just named the President of Catholic University the Bishop of Trenton NJ.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/pope_benedict_names_new_bishop.html


OT but... when will Harrisburg get its new bishop??? Seems like we always have to wait forever.

Vell, you should write to der PopenFurher undt complain.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2010, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on June 04, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on June 04, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
The Pope just named the President of Catholic University the Bishop of Trenton NJ.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/pope_benedict_names_new_bishop.html


OT but... when will Harrisburg get its new bishop??? Seems like we always have to wait forever.

Well, we had to get new ones into Allentown, Scranton, and now Trenton, first. Bishops appear to be the only job position that's hiring lately. It's a real slowwww offseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on June 08, 2010, 12:13:57 AM
OT--but its still the offseason, so whatever...

Good thing Father O'Connell didn't get sent to Scranton--you'd have a real problem on your hands when he showed up rooting for CUA in your gym.

Congratulations to Father O'Connell--he leaves behind an incredible legacy at Catholic University.  We were "freshman" together--my freshman year was his first year.  Of course, his tenure was 3 times longer than mine.  He rebuilt the University from top to bottom with zeal and enthusiasm--from our mission, our academics, our Catholic identity, our physical campus--you name it.  Virtually everything is better now than when he took over in 1998. 

I'm sure he'll be an outstanding Bishop--and who knows--maybe someday he'll be back at CUA as Chancellor!  (Per tradition, the Archbishop of Washington is the Chancellor of Catholic University.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2010, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on June 04, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Breaking News out Scranton.....Cazenovia has been added to the PNC Holiday Tournament.

Spenser Spencer is his own team now?  ;)

+karma,  good zing!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 10, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
 On during halftime of Lakers-Celtics tonite was former Royals' All-American Jason Hoppy on new Bravo series Bethenny Gets Married? At least, it looks like Jason, although it's been over 15 years since I've seen him play, but how many Jason Hoppys can there be? He's the boy friend/fiance of Bethenny Frankel-one of The Real Housewives of NYC.
  It's a real slowwww offseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 11, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Ronk,

I have it on good authority from my sources that you are a regular watcher of the Real Housewives, so please spare us the NBA Finals excuse! ;D

That is indeed the former Royal star...


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 11, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
Seriously? Not bad.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 14, 2010, 11:19:27 PM
  Offseason change:
      MMA Coach Krikorian leaves for Christopher Newport U.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 15, 2010, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 14, 2010, 11:19:27 PM
  Offseason change:
      MMA Coach Krikorian leaves for Christopher Newport U.

Really? I'd heard he was in the mix for the Citadel job (which went to former D3er Chuck Driesell) too, but I'd figured that was because it was a chance to move up divisions. Was he really itching to get out of MMA?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2010, 11:47:19 AM
  No reason given in story on front page of d3hoops; I mentioned it for any Landmarkers who skip the front page on their way to our topic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2010, 01:42:00 PM
Big loss for MMA. Landmark coach of the year who seemed be leading a team that was beging to gel, coming off a tourny appearance.  Should be interesting to see who they bring in over the summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 22, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
Getting close to July.

Scranton has Mike Barr.

Catholic has Donavon's son, and another guy from Western PA.


Juniata has released their whole recruiting class.


Anyone have anything else? My source has dried up.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 06, 2010, 04:51:53 PM
NEPA: Too much sun?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 13, 2010, 10:30:32 AM
For who? Me , my source, or Danzig?



RIP George Steinbrenner.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 13, 2010, 01:12:58 PM
A possible promotion for George Costanza?
The "Boss" & Bob Shepard gone within days of each other. :(. I bet Billy's giving them the tour already.
One can only hope the next thing to leave the Yankees is their lead!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 13, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
Saratoga, one of the BEST things you've ever said!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 14, 2010, 09:00:30 AM
Wow , the hate runs deep in these parts.


I did like seeing every Yankee and Red Sox player get booed last night!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 08, 2010, 07:05:45 PM
Cardinals fans,
  FYI- In celebration of 100 years of CU bball, the summer edition of CUA magazine has 2 pages of the history of Cardinal bball, a trip package for the Notre Dame game(6 Nov), and a game against Gettysburg(11 Dec) not in the abbreviated schedule on the team web site. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 08, 2010, 07:23:50 PM
And the celebration honoring players, teams, and coaches(29 Jan), presumably against Juniata since Susque is the opponent the day before.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 17, 2010, 08:34:44 PM
MMA have a coach yet?


Heard that Scranton brought in a PG, but still searching for that elusive big man.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 17, 2010, 11:59:30 PM
MMA position still listened as open.
Royals' Las Vegas opponents to be Ramapo and Ripon; they played Ramapo 2 years ago on their own; too bad they don't play somebody else.
  Royals' going with 5 3-pt shooters this year til the elusive big man shows up, maybe the man from snowy river-Tom Bicknell.
Talked briefly with a Goucher player at my health club today, but he wasn't aware of their incoming players at this point.
Everyone in Landmark except Juniata is keeping their playing cards close to their vests- no info promulgated. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 24, 2010, 04:31:04 PM
Scranton's schedule is now officially even more pathetic than the one put together the past three years.
They travel 3,000 miles to play Ramapo...brilliant! I guess Rosemont was already booked.
I'd imagine this is exactly the type schedule the NCAA selection committee loves to see when it comes down to a bubble team...a true no brainer. You didn't play anyone outside your conference, high school teams play tougher non-conference games & I just bet their opponents/opponents winning % is probably going to be under.500.
How can you book this schedule & even remotely think the NCAA will ever consider you in Regional rankings? They wouldn't get my vote if they ended up 20-5 with the schools they're playing.
Another season seeing them killed on the boards & limited to one shot. This movie needs another ending.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 06, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
Still no coach for MMA, from what I've heard.

Tried to get scoop on Susquehanna's recruiting class but Marcinek is tight-lipped as usual. Have heard rumors of some new big men on campus, but that's about it.

Schedule's up: http://www.gosusqu.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/schedule. D1 game with Lafayette on Dec. 19, should be interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 07, 2010, 11:49:48 AM
Scranton's President Fr. Scott Pilarz is leaving at the end of the academic year to take over at Marquette University. I wish him the best of luck.

I would like to get Saratoga on the new President search committee to make sure the University finds somone supportive of Basketball...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 07, 2010, 12:59:19 PM
   Maybe we could entice the president of Moravian(Chris Thomforde) to make the move; I think he's a reverend and I've seen him play bball for Princeton. :)
   Trying to recover from attending the Boise St- VPI game last nite with alumni son and grandchildren and 86000 of my closest friends.
   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tommygun on September 07, 2010, 11:47:02 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the MMA coaching search?  Krikorkian took the CNU job on June 14th.   The season starts in a little under a month.  Does anyone know what is taking so long?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 08, 2010, 12:50:11 PM
 They've just announced a new superintendent; maybe he wants to choose the coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 14, 2010, 10:49:38 PM
 Royals almost had defending champion UW-Stevens Point on the schedule this year; both are in the Las Vegas Tournament, but the powers that be evidently didn't want to detract from a possible NCAA tournament matchup between the teams so the Royals play Ripon and Ramapo, instead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 15, 2010, 02:28:06 PM
Ronk,


Have you gone to the dark side too? Or is Saratoga hanging out at your house and forgot to sign out of your account?



That Boise State victory doesn't look so impressive after what JMU did, huh?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 15, 2010, 04:41:55 PM
NEPA: No, that was Ronk's post. It's becoming painfully evident to even the most ardent & patient of Royal's fans that a once very proud basketball program has truly slipped deep into the depths of mediocrity.
Where a schedule was once filled with schools such as Ursinus, Hamilton, Army & Rochester, it now bears the names of basketball powerhouses Casenova, DeYouville, Penn Tech & PSU Hazleton.
There once was a time when Bess scheduled any D-1 he could, now we are at the point where schools that have only had programs for 5 years are the preferred choice.
Attendance is beyond poor, student support is non-existant & the excitment generated the last 5-6 years wouldn't send a charge through a 5 watt light bulb.
Not good my friends & not seemingly getting any better any time soon. Prepare the smoke & mirrors yet again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 16, 2010, 10:13:02 AM
I don't disagree with anything you said Saratoga. I am one to give the benefit of the doubt, but enough is enough.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 19, 2010, 07:26:43 PM
  Royals are cited in The Sporting News as one of a number of teams with possible breakthrough year. Maybe they had a better recruiting season than we suspected.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 20, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
Speaking of recruiting...I wonder if the inebriated Mormon with projectile vomitus ended up going to Moravian?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 20, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
Speaking of recruiting...I wonder if the inebriated Mormon with projectile vomitus ended up going to Moravian?

An "inebriated Mormon with projectile vomitus ... going to Moravian"? Kindly clarify.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 20, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 19, 2010, 07:26:43 PM
  Royals are cited in The Sporting News as one of a number of teams with possible breakthrough year. Maybe they had a better recruiting season than we suspected.


Ronk,

Did you read that in print or on the net some where? I wonder if they have access to information we don't or just picked Scranton for the hell of it.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 20, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
NEPA,
  It's from the Multi-Regional Topics(top 25 Talk) from 2 days ago by Titan Q. Don't know who their analysts are.

Quote from: Titan Q on September 18, 2010, 01:54:42 pm
Here is the Sporting News preseason Top 10...

1. UW-Stevens Point
2. Franklin & Marshall
3. Randolph-Macon
4. Wooster
5. St. Norbert
6. Eastern Mennonite
7. Williams
8. UW-Whitewater
9. St. Mary's (Md)
10. Virginia Wesleyan

And their "possible breakthroughs" (listed alphabetically)...

Albright
Anderson
Augustana
Baruch
Cabrini
Carthage
Chapman
DeSales
Gettysburg
Hobart
Hope
Illinois Wesleyan
Ithaca
John Carroll
Maryville
MIT
Plattsburgh
Ramapo
Rhode Island
Ripon
Rochester
St. John Fisher
St. Lawrence
St. Thomas
Scranton
SUNYIT
Texas-Dallas
Wash U
Wesley
Wheaton
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (NY)

 

 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 21, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
Warren: kindly refer to post 2304 dated March 30, 2010 by Matt L.
Must be a "shooting" guard.  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 22, 2010, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 20, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
NEPA,
  It's from the Multi-Regional Topics(top 25 Talk) from 2 days ago by Titan Q. Don't know who their analysts are.

Quote from: Titan Q on September 18, 2010, 01:54:42 pm
Here is the Sporting News preseason Top 10...

1. UW-Stevens Point
2. Franklin & Marshall
3. Randolph-Macon
4. Wooster
5. St. Norbert
6. Eastern Mennonite
7. Williams
8. UW-Whitewater
9. St. Mary's (Md)
10. Virginia Wesleyan

And their "possible breakthroughs" (listed alphabetically)...

Albright
Anderson
Augustana
Baruch
Cabrini
Carthage
Chapman
DeSales
Gettysburg
Hobart
Hope
Illinois Wesleyan
Ithaca
John Carroll
Maryville
MIT
Plattsburgh
Ramapo
Rhode Island
Ripon
Rochester
St. John Fisher
St. Lawrence
St. Thomas
Scranton
SUNYIT
Texas-Dallas
Wash U
Wesley
Wheaton
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (NY)

 

 




Thanks. A little strange to see Scranton's name up there with some of those other schools. I imagine Rosters for all Landmark schools should be up shortly, so we shall see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 22, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Landmarkers,
   Noticed a policy change:
The Landmark Conference recently developed a new policy regarding conference men's and women's basketball doubleheaders.  Beginning this year, the men's teams will play the first game of conference doubleheaders during the first round of competition and the women will play in the second game.  In the second round of competition, the women will play first followed by the men.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on September 23, 2010, 11:47:38 PM
What?

Are you serious?  Now we're going to have men's basketball games at 5:30 or 6?  By "round of competition" they mean the first group of league games? 

I'm totally supportive of women's basketball, but can we at least acknowledge that from a spectator standpoint, men's is a much bigger draw? 

My biggest gripe with Landmark is that they seem to go out of their way to be un-fan friendly.  As if the entire enterprise exists in a vacuum, with no thought given whatsoever to what actually might generate some excitement and interest.  They should realize that an integral part of the experience for student athletes is representing their institutions in front of their fellow students. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 24, 2010, 10:50:49 AM
Does any other conference determine the doubleheader schedule as such? I'd think it would be up to the individual schools.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 01:38:29 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 24, 2010, 10:50:49 AM
Does any other conference determine the doubleheader schedule as such? I'd think it would be up to the individual schools.

Aren't the Landmark schools like-minded?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 24, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 01:38:29 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 24, 2010, 10:50:49 AM
Does any other conference determine the doubleheader schedule as such? I'd think it would be up to the individual schools.

Aren't the Landmark schools like-minded?

Well-played... +k.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 24, 2010, 02:42:42 PM
Do you believe the 3 presidential changes(Catholic,Scranton,MMA) were precisely because of this revolutionary Landmark policy change?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 24, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
It required the collaboration of the Pope, the Jesuits, and the military(maybe the committee to reelect the President).  Anybody seen Hunt and Liddy lately?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 27, 2010, 01:06:36 PM
Could those three changes be related to the 3 men seen on "the grassy knoll"?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 29, 2010, 09:40:57 AM
As much as it pains me to say it, the Women have been drawing just as well, if not better than the Men at basketball games.  I just don't see how you generate any buzz having the Men playing first.

Scranton's roster is up , so let the kvetching begin. One unknown, Corey Walsh from Scranton , he is a JR G/F.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 29, 2010, 05:12:53 PM
Great...another crop of 6' guards. Just what they need! Recruiting fails yet again.
No Canio & Ed this season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 01, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 29, 2010, 05:12:53 PM
Great...another crop of 6' guards. Just what they need! Recruiting fails yet again.
No Canio & Ed this season?



Think there is a Point Guard in this crop?

The new assistant coach is from a historically black college. I like that move.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 01, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
NEPA: One can only hope that one of these 3 newcomers can play the point. If not, serious trouble...again.
Last season we averaged more TURNOVERS than POINTS & ASSISTS combined from that position. How many years since Randy's been gone? How many years since Tom Bicknell graduated? And yet neither position has remotely been filled.
I think any reasonable game plan will consist of, stop Ashworth, play man against them & pound it inside then back out. The Royals will have few opportunities for 2nd. chance shots, virtually no inside game, no team speed & getting killed on the boards will be a regular occurance. Serious questions as to who picks up the slack when Luke is on the bench with his tendency to foul and although loaded with guards, where does the relief come from in terms of front court points & rebounds?
Perhaps the only saving grace...probably one of the absolute worst schedules in terms of strength in D III.
Should Canio & Ed not be back as assistants, who picks up the time & skill they devoted to teaching defense, defense, defense?
As we all know, the women at Scranton have outdrawn the men for a number of years now. How bad will it be when the Royals play one of their 5:30 games in front of less than a few hundred & then the women take the court to a crowd 3 times that amount?
Can't wait for the advance ticket window to open for that Arcadia game!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
Howdy, Saratoga! Imagine how devastating it would be if Arcadia were to beat you  ;).  Ugh, the horror
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 04, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Kate: Trust me...that opportunity will certainly be there for Arcadia. Losses to teams such as Arcadia are no longer devastating...more like, commonplace.
Quick change of topic...at least we can celebrate the fact that the Yankees are NOT A.L. East champs. All the money in the world did not buy them that distinction. They may well end up winning it all but, the Rays denied them the east pennant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 04, 2010, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 04, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Kate: Trust me...that opportunity will certainly be there for Arcadia. Losses to teams such as Arcadia are no longer devastating...more like, commonplace.
Quick change of topic...at least we can celebrate the fact that the Yankees are NOT A.L. East champs. All the money in the world did not buy them that distinction. They may well end up winning it all but, the Rays denied them the east pennant.

Bite thy tongue!

And Go Phils!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 07, 2010, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 04, 2010, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 04, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Kate: Trust me...that opportunity will certainly be there for Arcadia. Losses to teams such as Arcadia are no longer devastating...more like, commonplace.
Quick change of topic...at least we can celebrate the fact that the Yankees are NOT A.L. East champs. All the money in the world did not buy them that distinction. They may well end up winning it all but, the Rays denied them the east pennant.

Bite thy tongue!

And Go Phils!


All you Phillie fans were there during the lean years at the Vet , right?


Go Twins/Rays!


Toga/Ronk, other than Swaback who is playing in the front court for the Royals?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 07, 2010, 01:54:37 PM
  Some of us were there during the even leaner years at Connie Mack Stadium.

As for the front court, Luke Hawk can play with some mins from Andrew Wynne. Haven't seen any one else play; looks like at least 3 guards, a full-court press, and a Grinnell outscore them offense.

 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 07, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 07, 2010, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 04, 2010, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 04, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Kate: Trust me...that opportunity will certainly be there for Arcadia. Losses to teams such as Arcadia are no longer devastating...more like, commonplace.
Quick change of topic...at least we can celebrate the fact that the Yankees are NOT A.L. East champs. All the money in the world did not buy them that distinction. They may well end up winning it all but, the Rays denied them the east pennant.

Bite thy tongue!

And Go Phils!


All you Phillie fans were there during the lean years at the Vet , right?


Heck yeah! Well, the late 90s/early 00s lean years. I'm a fairly recent convert to baseball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 07, 2010, 08:46:07 PM
MMA with an interesting hire, former big time D1 coach.  Story is up on the conference website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 07, 2010, 10:26:59 PM
  Very impressive hire - but can he deal with a 2-day snow laden bus trip to Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 08, 2010, 01:16:49 PM
Great hire by USMMA indeed! I'm sure the contacts made throughout his tenure as a DI coach will serve him well. Then again, if he's just looking to ride his time out & basically recruit 5'10" guards & 6"3" post players...all he needs to do is call (1-800-my royals) & he'll be good to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 14, 2010, 09:27:13 AM
Surprised it isn't on the front page as of yet, must be football season still.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Nee


Seems like the game passed by Nee a bit while he was at Duquense..think they had a few years were they went 3-20 or something similar.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 01:24:20 AM
Someone would have to send a news release at some point for that to happen. Not copying and pasting from Wikipedia. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 15, 2010, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 01:24:20 AM
Someone would have to send a news release at some point for that to happen. Not copying and pasting from Wikipedia. :)

You're welcome for breaking some news on your site, Mr. Coleman. No need to get snarky. I don't get paid to write articles....but maybe we could work something out....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 15, 2010, 09:42:01 PM
NEPA,
  How did that 1st day of practice go for the Royals? I'm watching Maryland Madness on the TV right now with their men's/women's teams. Midnite madness started right here @ Maryland by the 'ol lefthander' Lefty Driesell who started things off with a midnite run around the football field before he jazzed the show up with the player intros and a scrimmage in succeeding years and, ultimately, to ESPN coverage.
  Do you think the Royals should be submitted to the D3hoops multi-regional topic top 25 possible list? They look decent on paper with 4 returning starters and the sixth man from an 18-9 team, including the Jostens finalist(20 ppg).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 15, 2010, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 01:24:20 AM
Someone would have to send a news release at some point for that to happen. Not copying and pasting from Wikipedia. :)

You're welcome for breaking some news on your site, Mr. Coleman. No need to get snarky. I don't get paid to write articles....but maybe we could work something out....

This wasn't about you as much as not getting something from the school in question, do understand.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2010, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 15, 2010, 09:42:01 PM
NEPA,
  How did that 1st day of practice go for the Royals? I'm watching Maryland Madness on the TV right now with their men's/women's teams. Midnite madness started right here @ Maryland by the 'ol lefthander' Lefty Driesell who started things off with a midnite run around the football field before he jazzed the show up with the player intros and a scrimmage in succeeding years and, ultimately, to ESPN coverage.
  Do you think the Royals should be submitted to the D3hoops multi-regional topic top 25 possible list? They look decent on paper with 4 returning starters and the sixth man from an 18-9 team, including the Jostens finalist(20 ppg).

Ronk,

No word from practice on my end. Maybe Saratoga has some insight. I don't think the Royals are a top 25 team. I think that they can be in that 2nd tier, 25-50 type team if one of these kids ( I beleive Marchman and Morgan are both Point Guards) can step up. If you can sawp one of them into the point and limit the turnovers than you can put them in the second tier. What do you think?  Who is the sixth man Hawk? Perhaps he works his way back into his form from 2 years ago as he had a bit of an off year last year.



Turns out that the Royals are in the D3hoops.com Tourny out in Vegas...per the front page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 17, 2010, 10:14:18 PM
  I was just looking thru my rose-colored glasses about the Royals being a top 25 team; they look better on paper than in reality. I'd have Luke Hawk start and try to fill the Eli Londo role; hopefully, Luke has recovered from the injuries that affected him last year.
  About the Vegas tourney, I commented 8/17 about them playing Ramapo(who was on their schedule last year) instead of somebody more appealing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 19, 2010, 10:40:11 AM
Misericordia is adding football  in 2012, who is next Marywood? Johnson School of Technology?

Follow the Cougars led Scranton and add football! According to the presser regarding Miseri adding football, it costs them a 3.2 million dollar investement to start up the team. Clear some property in the burbs, slap down a stadium and have your student population get behind something other than Keggs and Eggs.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 19, 2010, 12:58:00 PM
NEPA: And, while the UofS is at it...perhaps they'll add mens basketball as well?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 21, 2010, 01:12:35 PM
Susquehanna unofficially officially kicks off hoops season tomorrow night with its first-ever Midnight Madness. Should be a good time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 21, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Grove: What's the word on the Crusaders...some nice freshmen to compliment a good group already coming back?
Your Midnight Madness will probably be a dunkfest to get the students fired up for the coming year.
The Royals should probably try one of those...just so the kids on campus heading out at midnight may catch a glimpse of something resembling basketball going on & realize there is a team.
Speaking of dunking, with the graduation of Eli...I don't think there is anyone on the Royals who is dunk capable...unless there is an 8' ladder & 1 trampoline involved.
Hard to believe it starts again in less than a month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 22, 2010, 09:15:17 AM
Not much word, 'toga. Marcinek always keeps things pretty well under wraps. Guess I'll see more tonight.

I'm pretty excited about Midnight Madness. I know they are doing a dunk contest, as well as a scrimmage and some contests for the fans. There's a 3/4-court shot contest for a new car, donated by one of the local dealerships. And of course, the very talented SU cheerleading squad will perform.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 22, 2010, 01:17:25 PM
Scranton has a Midnight Madness for some years now (insert Saratoga joke here). I am pretty sure they have one this year as well.  Seems pretty common in Division 3 nowadays.


Grove you taking any video?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 22, 2010, 01:21:33 PM
Grove,
   Check out Jake Eskin from Montgomery County, Md.(posting 5/5 2010).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 25, 2010, 12:21:45 PM
Some big freshmen on the roster. Kid named Pat Kelly (I think I caught that right, it was pretty loud in there) intrigues me. He was fun to watch in the dunk contest.

Sorry NEPA, no video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2010, 11:50:20 PM
Preseason poll coaches/SIDs
1 - CUA  2 - MMA  3 - Scr  4 - Sus

nonconference record(2009/10) vs
MAC 8-6  Centennial 5-9  CAC 4-4  NJAC 4-5  UAA 1-3  PSAC 1-2

nonconference games(2010/11)
MAC 10  Centennial 5   CAC 4  NJAC 5  UAA 6(NYU 3, CMU 3)  PSAC 2

there may be a few more matchups depending on the results of tournament 1st games
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 28, 2010, 10:53:26 AM
2010-11 Landmark Conference Men's Basketball Preseason Poll

Rank School Points
1. The Catholic University of America 77
2. The United States Merchant Marine Academy 74
3. The University of Scranton 68
4. Susquehanna University 54
5. Goucher College 44
6. Juniata College 29
7. Moravian College 26
8. Drew University 17


Ronk,


Pretty pedesterian non conference numbers...you going to track this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 28, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
NEPA: Love the Scranton Apollo look! Now those were basketball games. Mike Morrow, Dave Schultz (not the Flyers one), Willie Somerset, Dave Lloyd, Carrie Bailey & the list goes on & on. Not only could they play...they could brawl with the best.
As for the Landmark...hard to believe the Royals are ranked as high as 3 & the Crusaders as low as 4. Moravian & Drew will not be pushovers at their place for the Royals & Juniata killed Scranton inside last year. With no post presence whatsoever, any team with even an average one will dominate the Royals in the paint.
I think going with Catholic/USMMA as the 1-2 is accurate although MMA does have quite a bit coming back & those two could be interchangable. Could it be the year that all the physical talent at Goucher finally comes together?
By the way, still some tickets left for the Scranton/Arcadia game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
Forgive the dumb question , but what is the PSAC?

Saratoga, glad I could bring back some happy memories for ya!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 29, 2010, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
Forgive the dumb question , but what is the PSAC?


Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference. D2s -- Shippensburg, Bloomsburg and the like.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 29, 2010, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
Forgive the dumb question , but what is the PSAC?


Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference. D2s -- Shippensburg, Bloomsburg and the like.

Then I made a mistake; I meant the CSAC(Colonial States Athletic Conference) - Cabrini, Gwynedd-Mercy, Rosemont, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 05, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
Looks great Pat. Continued success.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
 A creditable showing for preseason Landmark choice Catholic in its exhibition game @ Notre Dame being tied 10-10 after 4 1/2 mins before giving up 30 to Tyler Hansbrough's brother Ben and a 72-47 final. Only outrebounded by 5. Good to see Coach Howes got 20 players into the game; I would have been tempted to put myself in. 2 frosh mentioned here previously, played(Billy Donovan, Pete Schramm). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2010, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 10, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
A creditable showing for preseason Landmark choice Catholic in its exhibition game @ Notre Dame being tied 10-10 after 4 1/2 mins before giving up 30 to Tyler Hansbrough's brother Ben and a 72-47 final. Only outrebounded by 5. Good to see Coach Howes got 20 players into the game; I would have been tempted to put myself in. 2 frosh mentioned here previously, played(Billy Donovan, Pete Schramm). 


Thanks Ronk. Surprised that the game didn't meet with more fanfare around here. Do we have any Catholic posters any more?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 13, 2010, 02:42:06 AM
Catholic did play surprisingly well at Notre Dame.  It was quite an experience of which to be a part.  Hansbrough did lite up the cards from three.  I think that Catholic came within 14 at one point in the second half.  Also, Notre Dame played most of their starters for about 30 minutes.  However, neither team pressed full court.  I would imagine that if the Irish wanted to win by more, they could have.  In stating that, I must say again that the cards really plyed tough against the Irish.  I had an unbelievable time all weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 17, 2010, 12:33:51 AM
Goucher loses to Hood College in Pride of Maryland action. Not surprised at all Goucher has been struggling these last few years. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 17, 2010, 10:28:57 AM
Nov. 15    Coast Guard    72    Merchant Marine    83    Final    
      
             Juniata    61    Carnegie Mellon    65    Final
      
             Berkeley    77    Drew    110    Final    
      
             Moravian    60    Muhlenberg    68    Final    
      
Nov. 16    Goucher    62    Hood    72    Final    



      
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 17, 2010, 04:49:26 PM
If I am coaching the Royals:


PG Marchman
G Ashworth
G Farrell/Hawk
F O'Connell
F Swaback.


Two more days gentlemen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2010, 02:17:23 PM
Sorry NEPA: As much as we both realize & value the need for an actual point guard that averages more assists than turnovers...not in Royalland. According to their pre-game press release, the same old issue that has hampered them for the last 3 years will continue. Throw in the fact that they have been incapable of bringing in a post player that can actually play during the entire tenure of this current staff & the recipe for disaster has begun to brew.
Hopefully, one of their new guards will be getting serious playing time sooner rather than later.
It's also pretty sad in a way to see the writeup for this tourney play up the fact that the Royals are Radisson Invitational "Champs" in 2003 & 2005. My God, they've been playing this tournament for over 10 years...I would hope the host wins it every 3 1/2 years! The reality is the Royals haven't even been in the championship game half the time...hence, the Arcadia's & D'Youville's of the world.
Twenty busses coming up from Philly to see this one...get your tickets online & beat the wait outside the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2010, 07:04:11 PM
 The Royals opponent tonite has no starter > 6'3"; good time for the 5-guard offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
In the you can't make this stuff up department. Dan Hilferty has his best game as a Royal as Scranton cruises 81-53.

10 Dan Hilferty........ g  6-6    1-1    0-1    0  2  2   1  13  3  1  0  0  25




And for old time sake , this score jumped out at me:

Gallaudet   74   Wilkes   66   Final
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 01:27:00 AM
 Back from the Royals/Lady Royals road trip: got to see the Radisson championship game; ran into former teammate/classmate/Royal cager Bob Tardio at halftime and got to share rest of the game with him.
Royals struggled to get open in the half-court offense(like the Ladies;see comments on women's chat site), but, while not turning it over, still didn't get open shots. Once they zipped 6 passes around the perimeter, but, at the end, they didn't have any better shot than when they started.
Eventually, their most effective offense was getting the ball into Luke in the paint and then him driving to the hoop and passing off when Centenary collapsed on him. Luke picked up 6 assists this way and Matt and Andy shot 7-10 from 3-pt range to pull out the game. Travis continued to board well with 6 of each for a total of 12. Tommy Morgan was the only frosh to play, but was not a factor.
  From the glass half-empty school: these were not stellar opponents(Arcadia was preseason pick for last place in the MAC Freedom) so we'll refrain from getting too excited about winning this years's Radisson.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 22, 2010, 08:13:14 PM
Cardinals claim Allegheny Invite crown; Banzhaf named MVP

MEADVILLE, Pa. – Senior Jason Banzhaf led four Cardinals in double figures with 19 points as CUA downed Allegheny 72-53 on Sunday afternoon to capture the Allegheny Invitational championship.  Chris Kearney (11), Dan DiVietri (11) and Shawn Holmes (10) also hit for double digits as CUA improves to 2-0 following its opening weekend of action.

For the second straight game CUA shot the ball well, hitting on 49-percent from the field.  The Cardinals did a good job of taking control of the ball as well, committing only 12 turnovers, as compared to 17 for the Gators.

Banzhaf sank 7 of 12 shots for his game-high 19 points as he earned the tournament Most Valuable Player award, while DiVietri pulled down a game-high nine rebounds and was named to the All-Tournament Team.  Senior R.J. Dixon led the Cardinals with five assists and three steals, while also playing a CUA best 38 minutes.

D'Andre Corbin led two Allegheny players in double figures with 12 points, while James Ness sank 5 of 6 shots en route to 10 tallies.  Donte Briscoe pulled down nine rebounds and as a team the Gators shot 40-percent from the field and 48-percent from downtown.

After Allegheny scored the game's first points, CUA ran off five straight to take a 5-2 lead.  Several minutes later Dixon hit a three and the Cardinals were in front 8-4.

A three-pointer by Holmes at the 14:11 mark gave CUA a 13-6 advantage, and Banzhaf's jumper a minute later made it a 15-8 game.  Corbin answered with a trey for the Gators as the home team closed to within 15-11, but Banzhaf came down the other end, hit a short jumper, got fouled, and sank the ensuing free throw to push the Cardinals lead to 18-11 with 11:53 to play in the opening half.

Banzhaf's three-point play began a 9-0 run for CUA with Chris Kearney's jumper at the 8:02 mark increasing the Cardinals advantage to 24-11.  James Ness finally put a stop to the CUA run with a basket at the 7:39 mark, but Dixon came right back and hit a jumper of his own to make it a 13-point game once again.

Allegheny was able to cut CUA's lead under double digits on several occasions as the half moved along, but each time the Cardinals had an answer, including when Holmes hit a three-pointer with 1:22 remaining to make the score 35-23.  Spencer Reed then scored on a drive to the hoop with 48 ticks on the clock to send CUA into halftime with a commanding 37-23 advantage.

A DiVietri layup right out of the gate gave CUA a 39-23 lead just seven seconds into the second half, and that began a 9-0 run by the Cardinals that eventually put them in front by 23, 46-23.

Allegheny got the Cardinals lead down to 16 at the 16:14 mark, but three straight baskets by CUA made it a 22-point affair with 12:52 to play.

Freshman Pete Schramm got inside for a layup at the 9:44 mark to give CUA a 58-35 lead, but the Gators scored 11 of the next 13 points to cut the Cardinals advantage to 14 at 60-46.

As it did all weekend CUA had an answer as the Cardinals responded with four straight to go in front by 18 with 5:29 remaining.  A Holmes jumper with only 10 seconds to go made it a 21-point game, but Corbin hit a jumper down the other end to set the final margin at 19, 72-53.

CUA will be back in action on Tuesday evening when the Cardinals open their home schedule with a game vs. Frostburg State.  Tip-off from inside DuFour Gymnasium is set for 7:30.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
Off Topic but Chaminade is beating Michigan State 35-29 with 6 minutes left in the 1st half.


Michigan State vs. Chaminade -- Operating expenses last year. MSU: $135,526/player, Chaminade: $5,069/player
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
  Some of us remember Chaminade beating Ralph Sampson and Virginia in this tournament in the '80s.
  While gazing around DeSales' gym yesterday while watching the Lady Royals, I saw a banner with their all-time scorers and #3 was Paul Hawk,class of 1981. Looked up Luke Hawk's bio and saw that his father's name is Paul. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 23, 2010, 09:24:41 PM
Catholic defeats Frostburg State 76-64 to improve to 3-0.  Another impressive win for the Cardinals, who were led by Banzhaf's 23 points and 11 rebounds.  Frostburg entered the game at 3-0, having just won the Pride of Maryland tournament by defeating #11 St. Mary's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
Congrats to Freshman Tommy Morgan-who is Royal Athlete of the Week. About the only thing to congrats the Royals on thus far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2010, 11:40:01 PM
Catholic's off to a 5-0 start with a 52-50 nailbiter win at Carnegie Mellon.  Monday night they beat Haverford on the road 52-40.  Obviously they didn't shoot well in either game but apparently played excellent defense. 

I haven't seen these guys in person yet but it is hard not to be encouraged.  They've already beaten some quality teams and surviving a road test like they did tonight early in the season bodes well.  Clearly the addition of Williams-transfer Dan DiVietri has given them another legit scoring option which they needed and he's also establishing himself as a force on the boards.  Banzhaf is off to a very good start--and I think teams are going to have to start respecting him from behind the arc as he's 5-7 so far.  He's always had that shot in him just as Morley did his last two years at Catholic.

Landmark opener Saturday afternoon at Goucher. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2010, 03:45:25 PM
Matt - not to be too critical of your Cardinals... but who have they really beaten?

I took a good look at them in the past week and to be honest a close win over Carnegie Mellon didn't make me take them more seriously. Their one significant win in my eyes is Frostburg who was coming off a win over SMC and are 5-1 (though, SMC is right now their only significant win). However, I can't say Frostburg wasn't having a bit of a let down or not... otherwise the Cardinals are 5-0 against a combined record of 13-15... Frostburg their only above .500 victory (5-1) making the rest of the opponents record 8-14.

Yes... I am happy to see (yes, I said happy) the Cardinals are off to a good start as I have had my eye on them since the pre-season expecting maybe a pretty solid season this year. However, really haven't beaten quality teams just yet.

I will obviously get the chance to change my mind on Saturday when they take on the Gophers at DuFour Center North. I am not expecting a Gopher win, but considering Goucher is playing their best defense in years, it will help me assess the Cardinals overall more then in years past.

By the way, halftime of the Goucher game will give fans the opportunity to tip their hats to the Goucher Men's Lacrosse team as they get their rings from their Landmark Championship and first NCAA appearance last year. It will also give fans a chance to see if I keep from screwing up more names! :)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2010, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2010, 03:45:25 PM
Matt - not to be too critical of your Cardinals... but who have they really beaten?

I took a good look at them in the past week and to be honest a close win over Carnegie Mellon didn't make me take them more seriously. Their one significant win in my eyes is Frostburg who was coming off a win over SMC and are 5-1 (though, SMC is right now their only significant win). However, I can't say Frostburg wasn't having a bit of a let down or not... otherwise the Cardinals are 5-0 against a combined record of 13-15... Frostburg their only above .500 victory (5-1) making the rest of the opponents record 8-14.

Yes... I am happy to see (yes, I said happy) the Cardinals are off to a good start as I have had my eye on them since the pre-season expecting maybe a pretty solid season this year. However, really haven't beaten quality teams just yet.

I will obviously get the chance to change my mind on Saturday when they take on the Gophers at DuFour Center North. I am not expecting a Gopher win, but considering Goucher is playing their best defense in years, it will help me assess the Cardinals overall more then in years past.

By the way, halftime of the Goucher game will give fans the opportunity to tip their hats to the Goucher Men's Lacrosse team as they get their rings from their Landmark Championship and first NCAA appearance last year. It will also give fans a chance to see if I keep from screwing up more names! :)



Well, its early...they're playing the teams on their schedule and it is of course difficult at this juncture to know exactly how good each of those teams is.   But I think you are underselling CMU.  I would certainly call that a significant win.  They are a quality team and Catholic was on the road.  The combined record of the teams that CMU has lost to, including Catholic, is 21-0.   That's right--they have 4 losses and every one of the teams that beat them is undefeated.   Now, you can come back and say that CMU has not beaten great teams, either, but my bet is that by the end of the year that will look like a good win.  Or at least a "significant" one.   Plus, CUA has a bunch of tough games coming up--DeSales, Gettysburg and Stockton are all good teams that will be a test. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
dmac,
  There's speculation that Florida coach Billy Donovan will be in attendance tomorrow for the Catholic-Goucher game to check you out as a PA man; either that or he wants to see his son who plays for CUA while he's in town for the BB&T Classic on Sunday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2010, 11:36:08 PM
 Landmark conference openers tomorrow with a travel-pairs game. This year, for the 1st half of the conference schedule, the men will play the early game(tomorrow: 2pm for Drew, Moravian sites, 5:30 for Susquehanna, Goucher sites. Drew is listed as joining the sites which videocast home games so you can follow your favorite team at every opponent except Goucher and Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2010, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 03, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
dmac,
  There's speculation that Florida coach Billy Donovan will be in attendance tomorrow for the Catholic-Goucher game to check you out as a PA man; either that or he wants to see his son who plays for CUA while he's in town for the BB&T Classic on Sunday.
Well... if he is there to see his son... he will get the treat of hearing me.
If he is there to hear me... he has the great opportunity to do it while watching his son!

I will keep an eye out for him! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2010, 12:32:01 AM
Catholic 73 Goucher 57

Cardinals were led by Banzhaf's 19 points/14 rebounds.  Struggled early and it was a sloppy first half, but Catholic played a much better 2nd half and pulled away.  Story of the night was junior Andy Ruell, who has barely played in his career so far, getting an opportunity and coming up with 12 points, including 3 three pointers.

Awful free throw shooting.  Catholic was 16-30 and Goucher 12-25. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2010, 10:27:46 AM
Can anyone at the Moravian game or watching online tell me who was running the point for the Royals? Ashworth or Morgan?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2010, 01:53:41 PM
Nepa,
  I watched the videocast and there is not a PG position in this offense; it's 5 guys passing and cutting til someone is lazy enough on defense to allow an open jump shot; Luke works in the paint, and Zac will dribble drive 1 on 1, occasionally. They'll win games when they shoot decently; have trouble rebounding defensively and guarding quick teams, but there aren't any of those in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
I wouldn't neccessarily argue with you, but Holmes is probably the fastest guard in the Landmark and he's getting major playing time.   Dixon had a solid game against Goucher--those two are probably the fastest Catholic point guard combo I've seen.  Should be interesting when Catholic plays Scranton. 

Scranton sounds a lot like York back in the old CAC days.  Those guys could beat you when they got hot. 

If Catholic can continue to progress, they could really do some damage.  They are really well balanced--they have size, they have some quickness, they have some shooters and they play good defense.  The thing to remember is that they are starting 2 seniors who are the obvious team leaders, and then 3 sophomores.  So there's reason to believe we'll see improvement over the course of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
NEPA: we got to the game in the 2nd. half & I would agree with Ronk's assessment. Essentially Ashworth would take the ball so far & pass to Farrell who would pass to Luke who would pass to Swaback in the corner & back to Zach for the bomb & on & on it went. This approach will be fine until they come up against: 1.) A quick team than will press & trap & take away their passing lanes so they become so disrupted in just getting the ball over half court that they become totally out of sync and 2.) A physisical team that just keeps pushing them & working them over & contesting every cut & keeps forcing 3 pointer after 3 pointer & allows no second chance shots.
The Morgan kid finally received considerable minutes & he certainly appears to be holding his own. The real drawback for the Royals is once again no post game to open things up for their shooters & no point to take the pressure off Ashworth & let him play his natural position. They'll probably beat the teams they should & lose to the teams that are more balanced.
Deja vu all over again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2010, 03:48:47 PM
  I agree that the CU backcourt is the quickest in the conference; interesting out-of-league games coming up for CU with DeSales, Gettysburg, and Richard Stockton. Gburg, especially important for regional rankings; wasn't listed as a videocast, however.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2010, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2010, 03:48:47 PM
  I agree that the CU backcourt is the quickest in the conference; interesting out-of-league games coming up for CU with DeSales, Gettysburg, and Richard Stockton. Gburg, especially important for regional rankings; wasn't listed as a videocast, however.

I believe all the Catholic homegames are...that one should be.

Yes, very challenging schedule early on for the Cardinals but it should have them in shape for conference play. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2010, 10:30:07 AM
Thanks guys I wasn't able to follow the game and saw that Morgan started for Hilferty.


Matt- I think this is Catholic's year to win the Conference.


By the way, I love the fact that almost every team in the conference has either Live Stats, Video, Audio, or all three.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on December 08, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Any Catholic fans who tuned into the DeSales/Catholic LIVE video feed...I'd be real curious to find out how it was.

It is the first year we are offering the service and I want to try to make it better and better.  Any feedback would be appreciated.

Good Luck to you the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2010, 05:00:43 PM
Checking StubbHubb for the Scranton-PSU Hazleton game this Saturday and prices are insane! Probably just going to stay home and listen on the radio!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 12, 2010, 03:16:40 AM
The Cardinals bounced back from their first loss of the season with a hard-fought, down-to-the-wire 61-58 victory over Gettysburg (4-4) on Saturday afternoon.  CUA trailed by two with 1:11 remaining, but outscored the Bullets 5-0 down the stretch to improve to 7-1 on the season.

Seniors R.J. Dixon and Jason Banzhaf led CUA with 17 points apiece on the day, while Andy Roell and Shawn Holmes both scored six.  The Cardinals shot 44 percent overall, including a 47 percent showing from three-point range (7-15), and they sank 10 of 11 free throws.

Roell led the home team with seven boards, while Dixon handed out a team-best five helpers and also recorded three steals.  CUA turned the ball over only 10 times and got 11 points from its bench, to just four by the Bullets.

Four Gettysburg players hit for double figures, including Andrew Powers (17), Stephen Poarch (13), Kevin Kennedy (10) and Alex Zurn (10).  The Bullets shot an even 50 percent from the floor, but struggled mightily at the foul line, sinking only 13 of 23 attempts (56.5%).  Powers pulled down seven rebounds to lead the visitors and Poarch was the team leader in assists with six.

As would be the case all afternoon, the teams were nearly even during the early going, with CUA grabbing a 6-5 lead following a Banzhaf layup with 16:37 on the first half clock.  The lead grew to 11-5 after Roell nailed a three-pointer, prompting Gettysburg to call a timeout.

Following the stoppage, the Bullets ran off six straight to tie things at 11, but CUA scored eight of the next 10, including a three from freshman Billy Donovan at the 9:54 mark to go in front 19-13.

Poarch's jumper at the 4:23 mark pulled Gettysburg to within two at 21-19, but Roell answered down the other end with a trifecta to put the Cardinals in front by five.

A Christian Bors layup followed by a pair of Powers free throws made it a one-point game at 24-23 with 2:03 remaining in the half, but CUA scored three straight to take a late four-point lead.  Zurn drilled a three just as time expired though, and the teams headed for the locker room with CUA up just one, 27-26.

A Zurn layup right out of the blocks in the second half put the visitors up by one, but Banzhaf answered with a bucket of his own to give the lead back to the Cardinals.

With the score tied at 35 with 13:59 to play CUA reeled off seven straight, including back-to-back threes from Dixon, which forced Gettysburg to call a timeout.  The Bullets then came back and got to within two on a three-point play by Zurn with 11:23 to play.

A three from Nate Koenig followed by two Banzhaf free throws with 8:50 remaining gave CUA a seven-point cushion, but again the Bullets came back, pulling to within three at 51-48 with 7:17 to play.

Powers' jumper with just over three to go made it a two-point game, 56-54, while Poarch's layup a little over a minute later tied things at 56, setting up an exciting finish.

With 1:11 remaining Poarch stepped to the foul line and sank a pair to put the Bullets in front 58-56, but that would prove to be Gettysburg's final points.

CUA came down the other end and following a missed jumper by Dixon, Banzhaf grabbed the rebound, made the putback, got fouled and hit the ensuing free throw to give the Cardinals a 59-58 advantage.

Following a defensive stop by CUA, Holmes got fouled and after he hit a pair the Cardinals were up by three, 61-58.  Gettysburg had one final chance to try and force overtime, but CUA's defense stood tall, forcing a turnover as the final seconds ticked off the clock.

In all the game was tied six times, there were nine lead changes and neither team was able to open up more than a seven-point lead.

The Cardinals return to action on Monday, December 13 when they play host to Stockton College inside DuFour Gymnasium.  Tip-off is set for 7:30.  The game was originally slated to begin at 7:00, but recently got moved to 7:30.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 12, 2010, 05:34:21 PM
Gettysburg has now lost 3 games in a row after going cold in the closing minutes.  The worst one being their game against Haverford, when the Fords closed out the game on a 20-2 run to win by 10.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 13, 2010, 11:35:43 AM
NEPA: Totally agree. I realize the game was being played at the Hazledome but...$85.00 for mid-court seating seating is crazy. I had a "Dean" day myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2010, 11:56:11 PM
  Landmark splits with the NJAC as Scranton holds on 94 - 90 @ Kean and CUA loses @ home to Richard Stockton 54 - 53, despite 26 from Jason B(on 11-12 shooting). Rest of team was 1-15 on 3-pt shooting and frosh with chance to tie in final seconds, could only make 1 of 2 from foul line.
  Royals had 17 point lead midway in 2nd half, but turnovers and missed foul shots made it close at the end. They'll have to find away of getting the ball in the hands of their best foul shooters(Ashworth,Farrell) in the last 3 minutes.
  Luke with 31, Zac, Travis with double-doubles(25 pts,10/11 rebs) and Travis added 5 each steals and assists.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2010, 09:46:35 AM
Good win for the Royals, I believe it is their first win against a team with a winning record and on the road in Jersey, no less. Great night for Hawk and Farrell. Kean did a great job with the live video as well. I think the Royals would love to have a Johnathon Jones type player on their team. Kid was having his way on the board and is a real inside presence.

Cabrini tomorrow for the 3rd game in 5 days...still rather see Wilkes coming into the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 14, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
Yeah what is going on with foul shooting this year?  It seems like everybody's been terrible. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 14, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
I have yet to be at a game this year where I remember a team actually shooting well.

I know it has happened... but it has been brutal this year so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 14, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Been gone a while but return to see the same type of posts. Scranton people flaming their own team, Matt L being Matt L and Dave being the voice of reason.
SHH, give me a yell, I got the list of kids, finally.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
Merry Christmas to everyone on the board. In the spirit of the holiday's I thought I would share this:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Never-heard-of-Taylor-University-s-Silent-Night-?urn=ncaab-295229



All I want for Christmas is a College of Charleston transfer!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 21, 2010, 12:34:55 PM
 I think the Scranton men have their own version of "Silent Night"...nobody goes to their games anymore.
All I want for Christmas is for crowds of Long Center's past! Oh, and a post player from Charleston...or anywhere for that matter, a point guard in both name & ability, and a real non conference schedule.
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 22, 2010, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 14, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Been gone a while but return to see the same type of posts. Scranton people flaming their own team, Matt L being Matt L and Dave being the voice of reason.
SHH, give me a yell, I got the list of kids, finally.


I've barely said anything this season!

But fine, since I'm going to get labeled anyway, I did go to the Catholic-Stevenson game last weekend and they played a nice game in a 79-50 win.  Pretty much everyone got into the game.  It was one of the best performances I've seen from Dixon...18 points on 7-10 shooting.  Jason had another double-double with 18 and 12.  So Catholic goes into the winter break at 8-2--they lost a heartbreaker at home against Stockton (had a chance to tie with a free throw...seems to be a recurring theme...)--against Stevenson they were 17-21 so finally there's a good performance!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2010, 01:02:49 AM
  The Royals' Las Vegas games are scheduled to be videocast this week. Monday, Ramapo(#20) plays defending champion UW-SP(#4). Then Tuesday they play Scranton @ 8(opposite the Eagles' postponed game). What will be the difference between the Royals and the defending champs on consecutive days? Wednesday, the Royals play Ripon(#33) @ 10.
  Almost went to Vegas to see the games(well, really to see the new casino-hotels since we were last there), but my wife is recuperating from arthroscopic knee surgery a few days ago,so we decided against.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 27, 2010, 01:02:49 AM
  The Royals' Las Vegas games are scheduled to be videocast this week. Monday, Ramapo(#20) plays defending champion UW-SP(#4). Then Tuesday they play Scranton @ 8(opposite the Eagles' postponed game). What will be the difference between the Royals and the defending champs on consecutive days? Wednesday, the Royals play Ripon(#33) @ 10.
  Almost went to Vegas to see the games(well, really to see the new casino-hotels since we were last there), but my wife is recuperating from arthroscopic knee surgery a few days ago,so we decided against.

Ronk,

I think the videocasts are for a fee...believe it is 8 bucks a game or something similar. I wonder if Ramapo and Scranton were able to get out West with all this snow?   Would like to see the Royals go 1-1 on this trip.


Eagles-Vikings is competition for Scranton-Ramapo? I think not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
 got an email from Scranton SID that their participation has been cancelled for weather reasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 27, 2010, 02:54:18 PM
Ronk, you are right...it's official...the Royals can not get out to Vegas & have canceled their 2 games. From what I've heard, most NY airports are starting flights this afternoon so I'm not 100% sure why they can't head out later since they don't even play until tomorrow. However, it is what it is.
I feel bad for a group of fans that I know that already went out to Vegas a few days ago & now won't even be able to see the Royals against some real teams.
I'm wondering if Ramapo & Amherst are stuck at home as well or if they left prior to the snow?
This is what happens when you play a team 3,000 miles from home that is less than 2 hours away. It will be interesting to see if Scranton & Ramapo find an open date & reschedule.
Perhaps a massive storm will hit us again next week & spare us from Scranton's dynamic tournament & watching those basketball powers of  Cazenovia & Eastern try to take out the Royals & provide another opening round loss.
The Royals schedule maker has just announced that the 2 Vegas games lost will be replaced by games against Valley Forge Bible College & Ceder Crest. Any future games lost to inclement weather will be replaced by those same teams in the projected order of Scranton's higher margin of victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2010, 04:02:08 PM
I'm guessing that possibly the players couldn't get back to Scranton from their Christmas break in order to leave together for Vegas or Ramapo couldn't get there since they were to play today against UW-SP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 28, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
I just read on D3hoops that Amherst is having troubles getting out of Boston. I suppose Ramapo was able to get out West because they had a game yesterday and were able to beat the storm. I am sure they will pick up a game out there and probably aren't interested in playing the Royals back east.

How about giving Wilkes or Kings a call for old time sake?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 28, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 28, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
.How about giving Wilkes or Kings a call for old time sake?

  Or a Kings-Scranton alumni game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 28, 2010, 10:44:08 AM
Ah, you're missing us  ;) - Happy New Year to all our displaced MAC Teams! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 28, 2010, 10:46:00 AM
PS, Saratoga, i don't think Cedar Crest has worked it's way to a Men's team; however, if Rosemont has one, they may not be too far behind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 28, 2010, 02:09:55 PM
I'm no Scranton fan, but man, you guys are rough on them. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 28, 2010, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 28, 2010, 02:09:55 PM
I'm no Scranton fan, but man, you guys are rough on them. 

Ditto.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
I wrote back last May that Catholic had gotten a big man Pete Schramm out of Pittsburgh that my alma matre RPI had recruited hard....  I can see the stats, but how is he really doing?  Is it a fit?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 28, 2010, 04:06:23 PM
Hi Matt & Cold Case, those guys are used to me (been with all of em since 2002).  They also know how i regarded the five teams leaving the league.  However, that said, Happy New Year to those three other non-ex MAC teams in your "new league"   :)  Here's to outstanding basketball in 2011!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 28, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Kate-


Pretty sure that Matt is talking about Saratoga aka The Grinch, who has been rough on the current Royal program for the past few years. I have been hard on them to a certain extent as well based on the high expectations established by the Bessoir era.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 28, 2010, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 28, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
I wrote back last May that Catholic had gotten a big man Pete Schramm out of Pittsburgh that my alma matre RPI had recruited hard....  I can see the stats, but how is he really doing?  Is it a fit?

Yeah I think overall he's doing well.  He's been asked to probably play a little larger role at times than expected because of an injury to the starting center.  He's struggling with his free throw shooting, and in fact missed a free throw that would have tied a game in the closing seconds which I'm sure was a tough moment for him in what ended up being one of their 2 losses.   But they seem to be a tight group with good comraderie and just from observing from afar it looks like he's enjoying himself and is popular with the guys.  I think he'll have a nice four years at Catholic.  He's deftinitely got some skills and of course great size.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2010, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
All I want for Christmas is a College of Charleston transfer!

Check the Wilkes campus. Rumor has it that he's still wandering around looking for Rickrode's office.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2010, 11:03:31 AM
Mat...  thanks....  I chatted with the Dad a couple of times.... clearly a good family... and while I was disappointed he did not choose RPI, glad to hear things are working out at Catholic.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Congrats to the Royals who won the PNC Classic defeating Eastern (8-1) in the Final. Luke Hawk Tourny MVP, Farrell All Tourny Team.



Royals are 8-2 heading into Conference play and they host Drew and USMMA this coming weekend.


Also, congrats to Moravian in bumping off 25th Rank Manhattanville.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2011, 11:18:22 AM
Nice win indeed by the Royals...especially considering Eastern was the pre-season MAC # 2 pick & they already own a win over Kings.
Hopefully, the Royals are maturing a bit as a team as they were able to weather a pretty furious comeback bid by Eastern over the last 8 minutes. Earlier in the season the Royals had a similar lead vs. E-town but let them back in the game & then eventually lost to them in OT.
Yesterday the Royals had a 14 point lead at 8 minutes reduced to 1 at the 2 minute mark but made some key shots & fouls over those 2 minutes to pull away.
I'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2011, 04:32:10 PM
Scranton comes out flat and goes down 9-0 to Drew, but rebounds to win by double digits. Apparently Drew has a guard who transfered out of D-1 Rutgers University.

Also enjoyed Dean Corwin and Harry Dammer breaking down the Catholic-Sus game over live stats. Catholic lost in OT and goes 0-2 for the weekend. I do think that the Juniata-Susquehanna trip is the hardest weekend for visiting Landmark teams.

Scranton host MMA tomorrow afternoon which should be a good test.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2011, 01:04:44 AM
  Looks like a competitive conference this year with 5 teams vying for 4 playoff spots and Drew and Goucher winning some games at home with those 5 teams. Saw the last 1 1/2 min of reg of both CU games via videocast and they could have won either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 10, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
Pat Coleman this question is for you what happens now that Scranton will only have played 23 games this season do they have to win there conference to get into the tournament i thought you had to play a full schedule will that hurt them if they do not pick up those two games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2011, 05:31:20 PM
Sounds like Banzhaf and Dixon played great this weekend--so certainly very disappointing to lose two games like that.  Both of them on the last possession.  This is a heck of a competitive league and the schedule I think lends itself to that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 10, 2011, 06:05:58 PM
Augie:

Losing two games to inclement weather won't directly impact Scranton's tournament chances.  There is no minimum number of regional games to qualify for an at large bid, should the Royals not win the Landmark. 

At the risk of getting too detailed, the NCAA uses regional records as the primary criteria to evaluate teams when awarding at-large bids.  What qualifies as a regional record is defined here (http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament#regional).  Of the two games that Scranton had cancelled, only the game against Ramapo would've counted as a regional game any way.  The Ripon game would not have. 

In any event losing one regional game probably won't hurt Scranton that much come at-large selection time in the grand scheme.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2011, 05:59:20 AM
Also, if memory serves... not sure either of the games they were scheduled to play would have been regional. Can't remember if Ramapo was one of the games they were supposed to play, but even that might not have been a regional game by any definition (don't know about the mileage)... so in that sense Scranton doesn't lose anything by missing those games except possible "bonus points" of OWP and OOWP outside the region.

Also, you have to play half of your games against D3 opponents to qualify for the tournament (i.e. Nebraska Wesleyan).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
Gordon correctly pointed out in the previous post that Scranton-Ramapo would have been a regional game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2011, 02:40:21 PM
  And no, Amherst women's team will not be playing the Scranton men's team tomorrow after they play @ Kean tonite to make up for their other cancelled Las Vegas game.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2011, 02:51:59 PM
+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
That's too bad...would have been some pretty good competition on the Royal's schedule, certainly better than D'Youville or Casanovia. Good idea Ronk...maybe next year???
The Royal formula seems pretty basic, win at home & fingers crossed on the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
Gordon correctly pointed out in the previous post that Scranton-Ramapo would have been a regional game.
Must have over read that part... my bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2011, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
That's too bad...would have been some pretty good competition on the Royal's schedule, certainly better than D'Youville or Casanovia. Good idea Ronk...maybe next year???
The Royal formula seems pretty basic, win at home & fingers crossed on the road.

I think when your conference is fairly spread out and you play back to back games every weekend, that's pretty much everyone's formula...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2011, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
That's too bad...would have been some pretty good competition on the Royal's schedule, certainly better than D'Youville or Casanovia. Good idea Ronk...maybe next year???
The Royal formula seems pretty basic, win at home & fingers crossed on the road.

I think when your conference is fairly spread out and you play back to back games every weekend, that's pretty much everyone's formula...

You forgot to mention playing at 5:30 in the afternoon as well. Can't get over the new rules on tip off times this year....no disrespect to the Ladies.  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
Matt: I guess I stated the obvious & just about everyone's plan since the inception of the game. Probably should have stated fingers crossed every game.
NEPA: I'm somewhat surprised that our always welcome  on this site MAC womens contributor "Kate" has not started a campaign with the Presidents & Athletic Directors of "those" schools to begin a similar format. What do you think Kate...would you welcome watching the Aggie ladies in that 7:30 time slot vs. Desales?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 13, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
Hello Saratoga, not really would i "relish" a 7:30 start.  A 6:30 half time is perfect for me to grab my hot dog.  Thanks for the kind suggestion, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2011, 11:11:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2011, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
That's too bad...would have been some pretty good competition on the Royal's schedule, certainly better than D'Youville or Casanovia. Good idea Ronk...maybe next year???
The Royal formula seems pretty basic, win at home & fingers crossed on the road.

I think when your conference is fairly spread out and you play back to back games every weekend, that's pretty much everyone's formula...

You forgot to mention playing at 5:30 in the afternoon as well. Can't get over the new rules on tip off times this year....no disrespect to the Ladies.  ???

  How about starting your conference schedule with 5 straight road games for CUA? Except for the one trip to NEPA in February, it'll be all downhill for the Cards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2011, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 13, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
Matt: I guess I stated the obvious & just about everyone's plan since the inception of the game. Probably should have stated fingers crossed every game.

Yeah, 10-2 and you have to keep your fingers crossed for every game? Would love to hear your take on Goucher or Drew..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
NEPA: Just referring to the fact that the Royals had an 8 point lead on E-town with 2.5 minutes left in the game & left them back in over that span. Game went to OT at the Long Center & E-town won.
At Kean, they built a 17 point lead & were up 15 at the 5 minute mark only to let that one almost slip totally away, yet they hung on to win by 4.
Cabrini was another fairly large lead in the 2nd. half that was reduced yet the Royals nailed their free throws at the end & created some space.
Eastern is another example of a 14 point lead with 8 minutes left in the game reduced to I believe 4 points with 2 minutes left turning a game completely in control into anyones game with more than enough time left to lose. As I stated in an earlier post after that game, it was a great win for the Royals because earlier in the year in a similar situation against E-town that did slip away & it was nice seeing them hang together in this one.
Then last Saturday vs. MMA they had a 22 point 2nd. half lead cut to 6 with just under 2 minutes left (plenty of time) & again were able to hold on to win by 8.
When there is no post presence, no true point guard, kids are playing out of their natural position & they are pretty young... games like these are to be expected. This group has done a very nice job of pouncing on teams early, what they now need to develop is a killer instint & keep the pressure on & not continually let teams back in the game. Hence, my reference to "fingers crossed".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2011, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
NEPA: Just referring to the fact that the Royals had an 8 point lead on E-town with 2.5 minutes left in the game & left them back in over that span. Game went to OT at the Long Center & E-town won.
At Kean, they built a 17 point lead & were up 15 at the 5 minute mark only to let that one almost slip totally away, yet they hung on to win by 4.
Cabrini was another fairly large lead in the 2nd. half that was reduced yet the Royals nailed their free throws at the end & created some space.
Eastern is another example of a 14 point lead with 8 minutes left in the game reduced to I believe 4 points with 2 minutes left turning a game completely in control into anyones game with more than enough time left to lose. As I stated in an earlier post after that game, it was a great win for the Royals because earlier in the year in a similar situation against E-town that did slip away & it was nice seeing them hang together in this one.
Then last Saturday vs. MMA they had a 22 point 2nd. half lead cut to 6 with just under 2 minutes left (plenty of time) & again were able to hold on to win by 8.
When there is no post presence, no true point guard, kids are playing out of their natural position & they are pretty young... games like these are to be expected. This group has done a very nice job of pouncing on teams early, what they now need to develop is a killer instint & keep the pressure on & not continually let teams back in the game. Hence, my reference to "fingers crossed".


Appreciate the clarification, I agree about the need to close out games. I guess I need to pay more attention, as I didn't recall the details of the Etown game. I read in the media notes that Travis Farrell is playing Point Guard now...


On Edit: Double checked and Scranton was up 7 with 10 to play, not quite 8 with 2:30 to play...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2011, 01:44:59 AM
Big win for Catholic tonight on the road at Merchant Marine, 72-62. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2011, 03:42:41 PM
So much for momentum.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
Yeah I think Asmar Capers just scored again. What did he have 45?

Goucher beats MMA on a last second 3 , and the Royals start slow and beat Susquehanna by 17 for their 10th win in a row.

Great Saturday in the Landmark Conference!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2011, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2011, 01:44:59 AM
Big win for Catholic tonight on the road at Merchant Marine, 72-62. 
When you consider that a big win... there may be trouble in Cardinals land. :)

Matt... team started decently... what is going on in conference action?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2011, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2011, 01:44:59 AM
Big win for Catholic tonight on the road at Merchant Marine, 72-62. 
When you consider that a big win... there may be trouble in Cardinals land. :)

Matt... team started decently... what is going on in conference action?

No idea.  This wonderful fan-friendly conference makes it a little tough to actually follow teams.  But I know that they are really missing their starting center, Chris Kearney, who has been battling injuries for the last month or so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 17, 2011, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
No idea.  This wonderful fan-friendly conference makes it a little tough to actually follow teams.  But I know that they are really missing their starting center, Chris Kearney, who has been battling injuries for the last month or so.

Here we go. Was he injured the previous three seasons?  :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2011, 12:15:23 PM
Got to admit that loss to Drew hurts.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
Just the 1st of Drew "upsets", I suspect. The addition of Capers has changed the norm.
Coming attraction: Ronk's adjusted Landmark standings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2011, 01:40:06 PM
 With the theory that the spread-out Landmark road trip back-back games are more onerous that single bus trips of closer conferences and in view of the unbalance of the schedule at any time before its completion(e.g. Moravian has played only home games and Catholic only road games, at this point), I present the current official Landmark standings and then Ronk's adjusted projected standings based on the home team winning their remaining games. I will project that Moravian will lose to Catholic at home.

Official                       Adjusted
Scr        5-0               Catholic      10-4
Jun       3-2                Jun               8-6
Sus       3-2               Scr                8-6
CUA      2-3               Sus               7-7
Drew    2-3               MMA              7-7
MMA     2-3               Goucher        7-7
Mor      2-3                Drew           6-8
Gou      1-4               Moravian     3-11
 
With the addition of Capers to Drew, I suspect that they will be most likely to win a future road game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2011, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2011, 01:40:06 PM
With the theory that the spread-out Landmark road trip back-back games are more onerous that single bus trips of closer conferences and in view of the unbalance of the schedule at any time before its completion(e.g. Moravian has played only home games and Catholic only road games, at this point), I present the current official Landmark standings and then Ronk's adjusted projected standings based on the home team winning their remaining games. I will project that Moravian will lose to Catholic at home.

Official                       Adjusted
Scr        5-0               Catholic      10-4
Jun       3-2                Jun               8-6
Sus       3-2               Scr                8-6
CUA      2-3               Sus               7-7
Drew    2-3               MMA              7-7
MMA     2-3               Goucher        7-7
Mor      2-3                Drew           6-8
Gou      1-4               Moravian     3-11
 
With the addition of Capers to Drew, I suspect that they will be most likely to win a future road game.


Can we go back and compare how you did last year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2011, 05:32:18 PM
Sure, I'll try to get to it late tonite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
At the 1/2 point of the conference sched:

Standings                          Projected Final           Actual Final

MMA     6-1                         MMA         11-3            MMA        12-2
C          5-2                         Sus          10-4            Scr          11-3
Sus      4-3                          C               9-5            C             10-4
Scr       4-3                          Scr            9-5             Sus          8-6
J           3-4                         J                6-8            G              5-9
G          3-4                         G               5-9            J               4-10
D          2-5                         D               3-11          D              3-11
M          1-6                         M              3-11          M              3-11

I'm projecting the home team holding serve in the 2nd half except for MMA over M,J,D; C over D,G; and Sus,Scr over M.     

I put the actual final standings into the projection last January. Looks like Scr played 2 games better,ending up in 2nd vs. projected 4th; Sus did the opposite.The rest were largely as projected except for Juniata playing 2 games worse. I think there was was a larger gap between the 1st 4 teams and the bottom 4 last year. This year I see the league as more balanced from top to bottom and, consequentially, am projecting fewer home court losses for the rest of the season.

Looking back at the message board for this projection made last year, I saw that we had a lively discussion for at least a month culminating with the F&M fans run-in with the MMA AD at their NCAA game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2011, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
At the 1/2 point of the conference sched:

Standings                          Projected Final           Actual Final

MMA     6-1                         MMA         11-3            MMA        12-2
C          5-2                         Sus          10-4            Scr          11-3
Sus      4-3                          C               9-5            C             10-4
Scr       4-3                          Scr            9-5             Sus          8-6
J           3-4                         J                6-8            G              5-9
G          3-4                         G               5-9            J               4-10
D          2-5                         D               3-11          D              3-11
M          1-6                         M              3-11          M              3-11

I'm projecting the home team holding serve in the 2nd half except for MMA over M,J,D; C over D,G; and Sus,Scr over M.     

I put the actual final standings into the projection last January. Looks like Scr played 2 games better,ending up in 2nd vs. projected 4th; Sus did the opposite.The rest were largely as projected except for Juniata playing 2 games worse. I think there was was a larger gap between the 1st 4 teams and the bottom 4 last year. This year I see the league as more balanced from top to bottom and, consequentially, am projecting fewer home court losses for the rest of the season.

Looking back at the message board for this projection made last year, I saw that we had a lively discussion for at least a month culminating with the F&M fans run-in with the MMA AD at their NCAA game.


Interesting stuff. Thanks for looking it up last night. Royals have to embrace the Road Warrior mentality if the want to defend 1st place in the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 17, 2011, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
No idea.  This wonderful fan-friendly conference makes it a little tough to actually follow teams.  But I know that they are really missing their starting center, Chris Kearney, who has been battling injuries for the last month or so.

Here we go. Was he injured the previous three seasons?  :o

No, but they're better this year than they were the last 3 seasons.  All I know is that they look considerably better when he's in there, especially on defense, than when he isn't.  He's misssed 7 games so far this year and its hurt them.


Until the Drew game, their other 4 losses had been by a TOTAL of 8 points.   So yes, one player does make that kind of difference, particularly when it is your starting center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
So who does everyone have for Friday's not so prime-time (5:30pm) match up between Scranton and Catholic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2011, 03:35:42 PM
NEPA: I'm pretty sure the Vegas line has Catholic + 6.
They return home with 3 losses & can ill afford another & still feel comfortable about their championship asperations.
On the other hand, the Royals have certainly held their own at home & now it's time to see what life on the road will bring their way.
I'm not even attempting to get into D.C. by 5:30 on a Friday so I'll rely on the "Dean" for updates.
Certainly plan on seeing the double header vs. Goucher on Sat. though.
Should the Royals roll back into Scranton 1-1 on this trip, consider it a minor victory.
The second half they played vs. Susquehanna on Sat. was probably their best half of b-ball all year. They moved the ball exceptionally well & hit from all over the court. When they are on they can be tough...I'm just worried about the games when a few of them are having off nights & there is no place else to turn. Hopefully, on those nights their "D" will offset any offensive difficulties and keep them in the game.
Live by the 3, die by the 3...just the way it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 19, 2011, 03:35:42 PM
NEPA: I'm pretty sure the Vegas line has Catholic + 6.
They return home with 3 losses & can ill afford another & still feel comfortable about their championship asperations.
On the other hand, the Royals have certainly held their own at home & now it's time to see what life on the road will bring their way.
I'm not even attempting to get into D.C. by 5:30 on a Friday so I'll rely on the "Dean" for updates.
Certainly plan on seeing the double header vs. Goucher on Sat. though.
Should the Royals roll back into Scranton 1-1 on this trip, consider it a minor victory.
The second half they played vs. Susquehanna on Sat. was probably their best half of b-ball all year. They moved the ball exceptionally well & hit from all over the court. When they are on they can be tough...I'm just worried about the games when a few of them are having off nights & there is no place else to turn. Hopefully, on those nights their "D" will offset any offensive difficulties and keep them in the game.
Live by the 3, die by the 3...just the way it is.


I don't think Scranton will cover the 6 but I will take them winning....71-69
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
  It'll be interesting to see how the Royals defend Jason B. I'd choose Tommy Morgan with backup from Wynne and O'Connell so as not to get any others in foul trouble.

Saratoga,
  You don't have to rely on Dean; Catholic videocasts so u can see for yourself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 19, 2011, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 19, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
  It'll be interesting to see how the Royals defend Jason B. I'd choose Tommy Morgan with backup from Wynne and O'Connell so as not to get any others in foul trouble.

Tommy Morgan? Let me have what you're drinking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2011, 10:00:06 PM
I work in DC and I'm not sure I can even get there by 5:30. 

I don't mean to keep beating this dead horse, but...it really is like this league actively doesn't want anyone involved in basketball other than the players and the coaches. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
  Maybe the league will make known some day who clamored for the time change and what problem it solved; I think if I were still a player, I'd prefer a consistent playing time, rather than disrupting the schedule for both the men and women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
There is an actual way to do this and stay consistent... see the UAA... but whoever thought this up and the solution isn't great.

That being said... I have heard it might change yet again for next year... maybe even do away with travel partners and weekend games - but that is COMPLETE hear-say from no one in particular.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
What's NEPA's take on all this?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2011, 09:28:27 AM
Good Morning CC,


My take on what? I would put whoever was guarding Banzhaf in the Tourny game last year. I believe that was Luke Hawk, but I have known to be wrong.


How does the UAA do their schedule?


DMac-You heard something from no one in particular??  ??? I thought you were on Landmark insider, give us the goods...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
I've also heard the whispers that the Landmark may opt for Wednesday/Saturday games with no travel partner and the elimination of their current unbalanced home/travel setup.
Not sure a mid week trip to Juniata or DC will be the easiest thing for a 5:30 start for many schools nor can I believe heading to the MMA will be an easy commute from the DC area mid week. Realistically, Catholic & Goucher would more than likely miss an entire day of classes by the time they head up 95 & attempt to move on the LIE out to MMA.
If they do add a mid-week game Scranton, for example, would have no problem playing Moravian, Drew, Susquehanna or MMA. The tough ones would be Catholic, Goucher & Juniata. Conversely, the Baltimore/DC schools will have the longer mid-week trips since most of the schools obviously are not in their metro area.
The other consideration is the travel. As it currently stands the bus leaves Scranton on Fri. to play Catholic & after the game it heads for Towson, stay over & play Goucher on Sat. then head home. Seems fairly simple...to add a mid week game now creates two trips which seems to me to be adding additional cost. Whether or not the schools have looked at this & feel the extra trip will be offset by the potential reduction in hotel costs is unclear.
What is scary is the actual attendance at the mens 5:30 games...they are all horrible. I believe I saw there were 55 people at a recent MMA game??? I, for one, feel this most noble of gestures needs to end. As for breaking up the current weekend setup, let the debate begin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Matt- In addition to the lost of Kearny, what happened to the transfer from Williams he was averaging 8 ppg in early season but I don't see him on the roster anymore?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
Or, or, how 'bout this setup?
Bring in more "mind-like" schools and have a Landmark Conference North/South divisional setup like the old MAC?
Back then, schools of both divisions never met during the year or in the conference playoffs, unless they saw each other in the NCAA's. Of course both divisional champs had automatic bids.
Only difference now would be the two division champs would face each other for the overall title and the automatic bid and hope the loser would get an at-large.
Could be done and it would cut down on loads of travel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
The UAA makes it simple... women play the early game on the first day and the late game on the second day. Could easily work here.

For example... women play at 5:30 on Friday and 7:30 on Saturday. Men the opposite. But this week I have two games to announce at Goucher at 5:30 both days with the women playing both games following them. That doesn't make much sense to me - especially considering NEXT weekend both men's games are at 7:30.

I also agree that playing mid-week games in this conference makes no sense in terms of missing class time. The whole idea was that schools would miss as little class time as possible by having travel partners and traveling on the weekend. And YES it would save money as well!!!

Adding more schools, sounds like a nice idea, but I don't know of any programs interested in joining, unless E-Town is in the discussions. However, they have also been known for trying to be in the CAC as well.

I have also heard rumors that MMA is not pleased with things and has thought about leaving the Landmark. I have NOT had the opportunity to research this information and find out if it were true. They usually complain about their class schedules being affected (thus the Saturday/Sunday exception once a year in the schedule), but I don't see how the Wednesday/Saturday would benefit MMA. (I also argue that MMA isn't going to be happy about missed class time in any conference they would join, even if it was close by, since they will have to miss time on Wednesdays for away games).

There is certainly a lot in flux and I find that instead of anybody just putting their foot down (like a conference president) and saying this is how it is going to be done... there is a lot of, "okay, let's try that... oops, this isn't working... any other ideas?" mentality. I realize that the conference is young and changes will happen as they figure things out... but this year's experiment with start times is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2011, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Matt- In addition to the lost of Kearny, what happened to the transfer from Williams he was averaging 8 ppg in early season but I don't see him on the roster anymore?

Yes, missing DiVietri has been a big loss.  Unfortunately things didn't work out (not basketball related) with him.  He would have really helped. 

I think they need to find a way to get away from weekends.  I've seen enough to where I really think its killing competition, its killing community/fan involvement, and even the quality of the play is suffering.  Its very hard to get any momentum, its harder to prepare, and nobody but diehards are going to go to two games on back to back days.  I mean, look---if I'm having a hard time following my team, there's no way casual fans are going to get involved at this point.  The start time experiment certainly doesn't help--that's just pure nonsense.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
Matt - I wouldn't agree with that sentiment at all... every other conference that runs weekend type schedules doesn't seem to have problems with die-hards or fans. And I have no idea how adding a game on Wednesday would make it better for fans from DC traveling to NYC area for a game - especially for casual fans. Plus the fact... you might as well be ready to play Friday/Saturday in post-season tournament action!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2011, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
Matt - I wouldn't agree with that sentiment at all... every other conference that runs weekend type schedules doesn't seem to have problems with die-hards or fans. And I have no idea how adding a game on Wednesday would make it better for fans from DC traveling to NYC area for a game - especially for casual fans. Plus the fact... you might as well be ready to play Friday/Saturday in post-season tournament action!

It wouldn't, but that's not the point.  I think in this conference, its pretty much a given that you aren't going to be able to do much to improve road travel for fans.  However, the current schedule is killing home attendance because people aren't going to consecutive games.  There is no question that weeknight games draw far better attendance on college campuses.  College kids are much more likely to go a game on a Wed or Thurs night than they are on a Fri or Sat when there are other options. 

I can't speak for every other conference--I can only say that what's going on right now in Landmark isn't working for anyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
Very interesting conversation. A couple thoughts, for what they are worth.

First off, I doubt many conferences place a high priority on what is best for the fans when putting together a schedule.  My guess is that the order of importance is what's best for the players, then the administrators (who have to run the facilities), then the coaches, then the fans/media.  Maybe the order varies a little by conference but I doubt any of them draw enough fans to put them at the front of the line.
Second, the UAA plays all its games on the weekend but they couldn't do it any other way given their geographic issues.  The same is true of the SCAC.  They would keep that format if there were 400 fans or four fans per game.

But here is how the Landmark teams compare to two others with similar geographic spreads.

Landmark during the conference season
Weekend games (Friday, Saturday Sunday): 52, all conference
Weekday games (Monday - Thursday): 3 games, all non conference

NESCAC during conference season
Weekend games: 47, all conference
Weekday games: 20

Midwest conference during conference season
Weekend games: 51, all conference
Weekday games: 23, all conference

Lots of factors go into when a team schedules its games, but there are options to the Landmark's approach.  They could play most of their conference games on the weekend, but throw in some weekday games as well – the MWC model.  Merchant Marine to Catholic isn't doable on a week night, but Merchant Marine to Drew, Scranton or Moravian is.  Or they could play all their conference games on the weekend and find non-conference games to fill the week and avoid the five day layoff issue – the NESCAC model.  And the NESCAC teams find non-conference opponents despite the fact that some are very geographically isolated and their likely non-conference opponents are in the meat of their conference schedule at that time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
Ah Gordon - once again your background work does wonders. Thanks for finding the conference break-downs I hadn't gotten around to dealing with myself.

I would agree that fans come way behind when it comes to the best options for games. I would disagree with Matt, though, that weekday games are best for college students. I have found that weekend attendance at most places I have gone to has always been better then weekday attendance. And don't pull out attendance numbers, because 9 times out of 10 those are made up numbers... even at places that have people pay to come in, they don't actually track the attendance. The SID is just looking up and guesstimating.

The Landmark certainly needs to take some time and figure this out right. I like the idea of maybe a hybrid as long as games like Goucher/Catholic or Catholic/Juniata aren't always the ones on the weekday... get creative with the schedule.

One other note... I had heard something I thought about breaking up the men's and women's schedules... so Goucher/Catholic for women might happen on a night the men's teams are playing someone else. Not sure if I heard that right, but I remember shaking my head and thinking that was a horrible idea. I think it was a way to get around/away from this rotation of times thing we have going on now (seriously, couldn't we just switch the times from one day to the next, not weekend to weekend???).

One idea I have for weekend travel that does take into account splitting the men and women up is this: let's say its Goucher/Catholic men at home hosting Juniata/Susquehanna and the women from those respective schools are at Juniata/Susquehanna. It would allow for every weekend in the conference to be home games for each school and be just one game a night. It isn't perfect... but it would standardized the start times for everyone and not have one gender feel they are being considered inferior to the other.

And speaking of standardizing times... this is where the conference heads have to come down and make a decision as well. Coaches in this league (and others in this region) always have different opinions as to when they want to play their games and it ends up causing all kinds of different start times sometimes. The league just needs to say... here it is, the games will be played on these days, at these times, so that it is fair for every team in every situation. Again... gets back to my comment about the league heads have to just start making the decisions and the members have to follow along.

There is a reason conferences like the ODAC are strong in many ways, their leadership is strong and listens to its members but then makes decisions that everyone then follows.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2011, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
One other note... I had heard something I thought about breaking up the One idea I have for weekend travel that does take into account splitting the men and women up is this: let's say its Goucher/Catholic men at home hosting Juniata/Susquehanna and the women from those respective schools are at Juniata/Susquehanna. It would allow for every weekend in the conference to be home games for each school and be just one game a night. It isn't perfect... but it would standardized the start times for everyone and not have one gender feel they are being considered inferior to the other.
just start making the decisions and the members have to follow along.


Then I, as a fan of both the men and women would have to choose between watching one in person or the other via videocast. Decisions, decisions.

Dmac, How does Goucher come to have different starting times from the other 3 Landmark sites on Saturday?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2011, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
And don't pull out attendance numbers, because 9 times out of 10 those are made up numbers... even at places that have people pay to come in, they don't actually track the attendance. The SID is just looking up and guesstimating.

Always wondered how attendance was taken.....just a guesstimate huh?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2011, 04:29:09 PM
That's often been my experience.  I've had fun with friendly SIDs by throwing out ridiculous estimates just to mess around with them.  Or asking if the estimates included the players, coaches and facility maintenance folks.  Or if you had to be in the gym, or in the building, to count toward the total.  What about all those people doing yoga on the third floor of the athletic center?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
Let me emphasize--I'm not just talking about "fans."  I would agree that at this level that comes last.  Though I don't think the entirety of the university should be triviliazed, either.  Getting greater university involvement in basketball programs--whether it through be fan attendance or other ways is important.

I'm talking about the quality of competition.  I think it suffers because its much harder to play back to back games on the road, so you don't neccessarily get an accurate assessment of how good the teams are, especially in that second game.  Also, the preparation for those games isn't as good.  Yes, I know that teams prepare for both games all week, but human nature is what it is and its hard to prepare for a second opponent until you get past the first.

As far as attendance, well, I'm only an expert when it comes to Catholic U basketball, and I can tell you unequivocally that attendance was/is higher for weekday games, particularly conference games.  The difference is always the students--students showed up for Wednesday or Thursday night games, but not for Friday or Saturday night. 

Obviously there are some pairings that won't work in this league for a weeknight, but there has to be a way to do some kind of hybrid to have a more balanced scheduled that is better for competition.  And if it is more fan friendly, all the better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
I'm talking about the quality of competition.  I think it suffers because its much harder to play back to back games on the road, so you don't neccessarily get an accurate assessment of how good the teams are, especially in that second game.  Also, the preparation for those games isn't as good.  Yes, I know that teams prepare for both games all week, but human nature is what it is and its hard to prepare for a second opponent until you get past the first.
But Matt... this should give teams in the Landmark a leg up for NCAA tournament play! They play back-to-back three weekends in a row for those who make it to the final four. If you are a good enough team and can make a run in a tournament, playing back-to-back games on the weekend better be something you are ready to do. That shouldn't be an excuse or a reason not to play weekend games. If you can't handle this format, you probably aren't good enough to do anything in the post-season, and that says more to me of a program then anything else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2011, 05:41:02 PM
I'm willing to bet that empircally your argument is not proven out.  I bet teams that don't play that format do just as well in the NCAA tournament than teams that don't.  In fact, they may do better, because I believe this current format is more likely to lead to skewed results, where the most talented teams don't always end up with the top seeds and therefore don't have home court for the playoffs (though I will concede I don't believe that has happened in Landmark so far.)

In any case, I don't recall lack of back to back games being a problem for Catholic in 2001, or York in their deep tournament run a few years ago.  Besides which, in a hybrid format, teams would still play some back to back games, and virtually every team particpates in at least one regular season tournament to prepare for that type of situation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2011, 06:14:13 PM
Matt:

You're correct that the Friday-Saturday schedule doesn't have a strong correlation with tournament success.  The NESCAC has a Friday/Saturday format and has done well in the tournament.  But so has the UAA (Friday-Sundays), ODAC (Wednesday/Saturday), CCIW (Wednesday/Saturday) and WIAC (Wednesday/Saturday).  At the other end of the spectrum, the Landmark has a Friday/Saturday format and has done very little in the NCAA tournament since the League's inception.

Intuitively, Dave's theory that playing Friday/Saturday games during the season will get you ready for the Friday/Saturday NCAA tournament pace makes sense.  But recent history doesn't reflect that.  Besides,  the Landmark format doesn't perfectly mirror the NCAA tournament format anyway.  The Landmark teams play two games at different sites in two days, creating additional travel on Friday night/Saturday morning.  The NCAA participants play both games at the same site, at least one of which is guaranteed to be a neutral contest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2011, 06:37:15 PM
Teams from the ASC, the SCAC and the UAA probably appreciate no onerous travel on the off-day of  their Thursday-Saturday formats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2011, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2011, 06:14:13 PM
 Besides,  the Landmark format doesn't perfectly mirror the NCAA tournament format anyway.  The Landmark teams play two games at different sites in two days, creating additional travel on Friday night/Saturday morning.  The NCAA participants play both games at the same site, at least one of which is guaranteed to be a neutral contest.

Gordon,
  Good points.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2011, 04:24:38 AM
Last night on Hoopsville (http://www.hoopsville.com), we chatted to Scranton Coach Carl Danzig and you know I had to ask him about this scheduling thing.

Here is the archive: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12139251. We talk to Coach Danzig in the first 30 minutes of the show.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2011, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2011, 04:24:38 AM
Last night on Hoopsville (http://www.hoopsville.com), we chatted to Scranton Coach Carl Danzig and you know I had to ask him about this scheduling thing.

Here is the archive: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12139251. We talk to Coach Danzig in the first 30 minutes of the show.

Enjoy.


Thanks Dave. It sounds like Carl is not a fan of the Weekend schedule and the league is looking into other options for next year.  Echoed some sentiments on here that the athletes aren't the biggest fans of the set up as it is now.

I would argue that the fan experience and the athlete's experience are somewhat related. What kid wants to play in front of 55 people? You make the games more fan friendly you make it a better experience for the kids on the floor.


Big weekend for Scranton, here is hoping the get 2 on the road!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 10:10:25 AM
Good interview with Danzig--some interesting stuff on there.

If the coach of the team that's had the most success under this format is so unequivocally opposed to it, that says a lot.  My impression is that nobody on the basketball side of the league is happy with this.

And I think NEPAFAN is exactly right--you go on a big weekend trip, drive a couple of hours and its basically the 10 guys on the floor, some guys on the bench and 12 people in the stands.   What kind of fun is that? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on January 21, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
Regarding weekday v. weekend attendance:

My experience has been that weekends often outdraw weekdays (students only in this discussion) if the weekend games are afternoon games exclusively or with the rare weekend night game thrown in. Students aren't going to commit to spending a number of Friday nights and Saturday nights in the gym - IMHO, I think Matt is right on that one. But Saturday afternoon? That absolutely outdraws, say, Wednesday night for students in my experience. Now, whether those same students come back Sunday afternoon is certainly up for debate ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 21, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
Fans will be able to watch both of the Scranton-Goucher basketball games on Saturday even if they can't be at the Decker Sports & Recreation Center as there will be live streaming video. The men's game begins at 5:30 p.m. and will be followed by the women's game. As this is the first attempt at providing live streaming video at Goucher, we encourage fans to let us know how much they would like the opportunity to see more of Goucher's intercollegiate athletics events in this manner. Here is the link to watch the games: http://www.firstteambroadcasting.com/organizations/goucher-college.

The biggest problem we have at Goucher with the different starting times for games is whether or not our PA announcer will show up at the right time!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
WHAT?! WHAT?!

Yes... two WHATs for that... first because Goucher is providing live streaming video... and secondly because someone I thought was a friend just fired a shot at me... oh Mike... wait until I see you in about an hour!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2011, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 20, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
Or, or, how 'bout this setup?
Bring in more "mind-like" schools and have a Landmark Conference North/South divisional setup like the old MAC?
Back then, schools of both divisions never met during the year or in the conference playoffs, unless they saw each other in the NCAA's. Of course both divisional champs had automatic bids.
Only difference now would be the two division champs would face each other for the overall title and the automatic bid and hope the loser would get an at-large.
Could be done and it would cut down on loads of travel.


Who would you add? Would 5 teams in each division be enough?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
A little over a year ago I had heard some talk of both Vassar & Skidmore showing some interest. Certainly not sure how accurate those reports are/were.
On the positive side of the current setup...many families do go away for the entire road weekend & even for the home weekends many families of the out of town kids stay overnight & have some nice get togethers.
That said, I think not having a least one non conference mid-week game after the holidays does impact on fan interest. I mean the way the setup is now, the kids can be back & there is an empty gym for two straight weeks. Not the best way to encourage student interest. We may well have the families at the games...just not many others.
Scranton may benefit by doing away with at least one of their not so well attended home tournaments and add a number of mid-week home games spread out over the second semester when the students are back. In a perfect world, if they could get some former traditional opponents mixed in on a home & home basis that wouldn't hurt. I think the AD's at some schools have thrown their little tantrum long enough & need to come to the conclusion that their behavior is hurting all parties. If it were purely an ethical decision, then they would not allow other sports to go head to head as they have.
I do like Dave's suggestion that the Landmark consider the UAA format of men late game first night, women late second night if the urge to provide some sort of gender equity in time persists at Landmark HQ. If this is purely a one year experiment...then please discontinue after this season...it's not working out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 21, 2011, 05:45:14 PM
Good heavens, WHY am i in this site?  However, Skidmore in Saratoga Springs and Vassar, much closer in Poughkeepsie - seems like you're stretching the distance.  Saratoga, you're absolutely right, revive those MAC rivalries, they're much closer and i feel that students and fans come out for the excitement generated by that opposing team - it's up to all of you, of course - just totally  thankful the MAC has evolved the way it has after the five of you left.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
Scranton 78 Catholic 68.

Free throws:  Scranton 25-36  Catholic 6-15

That pretty much sums it up.   +21 from the free throw line is usually going to do it.  I didn't especially enjoy the way the game was being called inside--Banzhaf got no calls all night, and they kept calling defensive fouls on the Scranton end when the offensive player was clearly hooking.  But the way Catholic was shooting from the line, it wouldn't have mattered.  I really don't get it--they've been hot from the line ever since the game against Goucher.

Overall, all I can say is that if Scranton is the best team in this league--I'm depressed.  (Which makes me even more depressed that Catholic lost to them.) 

Scranton's offense consists of some nice, open 3's run off of well executed set plays, wildly charging toward the basket and getting fouled, and jacking up ridiculously long 3's that mostly didn't go in.

Catholic couldn't get the ball inside in the second half, Scranton just played a crushing zone defense and somehow outrebounded Catholic even though they have no height.

I really don't know...frustrating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2011, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
Scranton 78 Catholic 68.
Free throws:  Scranton 25-36  Catholic 6-15
I really don't know...frustrating.

Status quo ...

I guess the boards prognosticator will be changing his 8-6 league finish?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2011, 11:00:12 PM
I watched the first half online. Scranton took it to the rim and got fouled, what is the problem with that? Matt Swaback had some big defensive rebounds as well.

Onto Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Nothing.  I just wasn't that impressed.  Of course, I was even less impressed with my own team.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2011, 01:24:46 AM
So much for defending the home court as all 4 home teams lost.
   As for foul line disparity, all of Catholic's 1st 6 fouls in 1st half were in the act of shooting, resulting in 2 shots each, while 2 of Scranton's five were not and one of the others was on a made basket by JB resulting in only 1 shot. In the last 1 1/2 min, there was a disparity of 12 shots as Catholic fouled in attempts to steal the ball.
  JB and RJ didn't get much help from the rest of the squad. The Royals actually looked quick tonite; glad it was the 1st game of the weekend; I remember a Catholic game a couple of years ago when the last second loss by the Royals was affected by being their 3rd game in four days after a Wednesday makeup game.
  Anticipating a more physical game tomorrow @ Goucher.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Nothing.  I just wasn't that impressed.  Of course, I was even less impressed with my own team.




It has to be frustrating to have the preseason favorite languishing near the bottom of the standings.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 22, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Nothing.  I just wasn't that impressed.  Of course, I was even less impressed with my own team.

It has to be frustrating to have the preseason favorite languishing near the bottom of the standings.

It's amazing how a Scranton team has practically new starting lineups on the floor each year of the Landmark without a true No. 4 or 5 player, yet contend or win the title. Despite some teams having a solid nucleus returning the past three seasons.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2011, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Nothing.  I just wasn't that impressed.  Of course, I was even less impressed with my own team.




It has to be frustrating to have the preseason favorite languishing near the bottom of the standings.



Indeed.  But the season isn't over yet...hopefully they'll rebound.  They've played 5 road games plus the best team in the league.   I would have hoped for a better record, but they've got to take care of business against everybody else at home and steal some road games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2011, 11:56:25 PM
Yeah, so Catholic losing to Scranton apparently was bad news for Moravian.  CUA beats them 105 (!)-58.  They emptied the bench, too.  I think there was some pent up frustration there--with backs against the wall.  

I've been thinking about what you wrote, ColdCase, about Scranton.  Because you're right, it is remarkable.  I'm going to catch all kinds of hell for saying it, but I honestly believe that Catholic has a more talented roster, for instance.  But I think with Scranton, what impresses me year in, year out, is that they know what they can do, and they know what they can't do, and they always stick to the game plan and play very smart basketball.  I was actually shocked when I looked at the box score for the Catholic game and saw that they had 20 turnovers (vs. Catholic's 17--neither team was too sharp), because my perception was that Scranton really didn't make too many mistakes (other than shot selection, which is mostly just an Ashworth problem--I don't care how good he thinks his range is, he needs to stop jacking up those kinds of shots early in the shot clock, they can get better looks.)   Now, there was a point in that game  when Scranton went cold, and Catholic had ample opportunites to make up a 5-point deficit--they just kept squandering them offensively.

If Scranton is to be beaten, that's what's going to happen--they're just going to get cold because they are so reliant on outside shooting, and somebody's going to be able to take advantage of that.  But overall, the distinguishing characteristic of Scranton seems to be consistenly smart plays and playing to their strength.  Which is to their credit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 23, 2011, 11:26:02 AM
Of course Catholic has better talent, at least it seems that way when you check statistics of incoming recruits.
The reason why Scranton hoists up the three ball is because of what I wrote in my last post: They lack true No. 4 and 5 players.
As for last night, the video stream of the Goucher game didn't work.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2011, 02:41:11 PM
  The Royals continued to look quick against Goucher yesterday. When they get change of possession, they're upcourt in a hurry and Tommy and Travis, especially, take it to the hoop without regard of getting knocked on their butts. Many successful pick in rolls involving the post players also. Congrats to the coach for letting them run. The defense played well,also, looked like a combo man/zone and Goucher struggled against it.
  Difficulty in the future for the Royals will come when they don't hit their 3s(although they went 0-9 in the 1st half against Goucher and still built an 11-point lead), or face a strong inside team in the NCAA (if they make it that far) that pounds the offensive board and gets them in foul trouble(Goucher post men had 10 offensive rebounds among them-saved only by one of them going 3-17 from 10  feet  or closer).
  Other musings:
     Lobbied Dmac for a position on his top 25 ballot before the game; he said he was open to being impressed. We'll probably get his impression in this MB or on his Hoopsville show tonite.
   Met Luke Hawk's dad. Told him I was in Desales' gym in November for Lady Royals' games and, seeing a banner with list of all-time scorers and his name was near the top. We discussed how his older son, Paul, suffered a concussion in that same Goucher gym 2 years ago at end of season and ultimately Paul was held out of the NCAA tourney game with Brandeis It was a winnable game for Scranton and Paul's presence would have made a difference, For those who don't remember, he was among the national leaders in shots blocked per game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 23, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2011, 02:41:11 PMFor those who don't remember, he was among the national leaders in shots blocked per game.

For those who don't remember, what's the updated conference finish changed to, record-wise?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Matt: I think its been pretty well documented by many of us that watch the Royals that they do nothing remarkable except stick to their game plan. They live & die by the 3, don't rebound very well on the offensive end & generally get very few assists during the game. They do not create many turnovers & you'll rarely see them beat the opposition for a fast break. They have no point guard, no post presence & will get a little crazy with shot selection. What they do however is find a way to win. I've yet to see how well they'll do when they find themselves down by a fairly large amount as that just has not happened yet. I'm not really sure if the Royals are a pretty good team, a real nice team or a fairly one dimensional team in a sea of mediocrity. Personally, I see the lack of a point & no inside game as doing them in as the season moves from regular to post. In the meantime, they are doing exactly what they need to do to put themselves in position to host in the Landmark playoffs. What they can accomplish after that is anyones guess. What they have also done thus far is defeat teams with far more natural talent on the floor & that, is always a good sign at this stage of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2011, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 23, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2011, 02:41:11 PMFor those who don't remember, he was among the national leaders in shots blocked per game.

For those who don't remember, what's the updated conference finish changed to, record-wise?  ;D

Current standings             Projected final standings
Scr    7-0                           Scr     10-4
Drew 4-3                           C        9-5
Sus    4-3                          MMA   8-6
C      3-4                           D        7-7
MMA  3-4                         J          7-7
J       3-4                         Sus       6-8
M      3-4                         G         5-9
G      1-6                         M         4-10

Projected includes M losing to C in only 2nd half homecourt loss. 
Separately, gametimes revert to past practice in 2nd half: women early, men late.                           
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2011, 10:08:41 AM
For what it is worth the Goucher broadcast worked just fine for me. I watched the first ten minutes or so, the picture was a bit fuzzy but production was very well done.


For those who aren't aware Scranton is 29th in the Massey ratings. All kind of information is at this site,including probability of win:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1





I also don't know if 1-5 Catholic has more talent than Scranton, Banzhaf and Dixon are excellent but I think the rest is up to debate.


Awaiting the Top 25 poll....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2011, 10:08:41 AM
For what it is worth the Goucher broadcast worked just fine for me. I watched the first ten minutes or so, the picture was a bit fuzzy but production was very well done.


For those who aren't aware Scranton is 29th in the Massey ratings. All king of information is at this site:http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1

including probability of win.



I also don't know if 1-5 Catholic has more talent than Scranton, Banzhaf and Dixon are excellent but I think the rest is up to debate.


Awaiting the Top 25 poll....

Well, at least in terms of size and versatility.  We're not seeing the "real" Kearney right now but he's a really effective front court player. 

I'm hoping that the blowout vs. Moravian will prove to be cathartic and get everyone's confidence back up.  Plus, they are home next weekend, and its going to be a special weekend for Catholic basketball.  Saturday vs. Drew will be a celebration of 100 years of CUA basketball.  There should be a good crowd, and lots of CUA "legends" in the house, including most of the 2001 Championship team. 

BTW--I neglected to mention during my thoughts about the Scranton game, but it was the best home crowd in terms of numbers I've seen at CUA in a long while.  Now, they put some effort into it and had some incentives to get students there, but I admire the effort.  The crowd was a bit dead and wasn't as loud as it could have been, but at least it was a legitimate home court.  Kudos to the athletic department and the students.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 10:20:58 AM
Ahh, the 100th anniversary celebration. Every time I see that referenced I smile because when I started as SID there, Catholic had no idea when basketball started. I did all that research.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 24, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
anybody else catch (or attempt to catch) any of the broadcasts from Goucher Saturday? The comments we've received so far have been all over the place -- some extremely positive, some really negative and even a couple that like cold case weren't able to connect to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2011, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 10:20:58 AM
Ahh, the 100th anniversary celebration. Every time I see that referenced I smile because when I started as SID there, Catholic had no idea when basketball started. I did all that research.
What? One sit-down with Franny Murray? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
I bet the stuff from 1959-60 on forward came straight out of his archives. I did start with him but my future wife and I spent a lot of time going through microfilm and university archives.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 12:31:17 PM
Too bad you can't be there Pat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2011, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
I bet the stuff from 1959-60 on forward came straight out of his archives. I did start with him but my future wife and I spent a lot of time going through microfilm and university archives.

  There's always been a question of how much of that activity was official business.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2011, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 10:14:28 AM

Well, at least in terms of size and versatility.  We're not seeing the "real" Kearney right now but he's a really effective front court player. 

BTW--I neglected to mention during my thoughts about the Scranton game, but it was the best home crowd in terms of numbers I've seen at CUA in a long while.  Now, they put some effort into it and had some incentives to get students there, but I admire the effort.  The crowd was a bit dead and wasn't as loud as it could have been, but at least it was a legitimate home court.  Kudos to the athletic department and the students.
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  Kearney did show some nice moves in the paint in his brief appearances Friday.


Do you think the free pizza at halftime had something to do with it? 300 did stick around for the women's game and maybe the students that were incentivized found out they had a good time and will come back this weekend?  I applaud the effort, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
Kearney showed a lot of promise last year and looked like he was really going to flourish this year until he got hurt.  He's limited right now even when he's on the court but it was good to see him starting to get some minutes and hopefully he'll be healty for the stretch run.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the pizza had a lot to do with it.  But at least they are trying and hopefully those students will come back.  Also, I will say that I've seen the new President of the university, who came from Boston College, at both of the home games I've been to.   Always good to have that kind of interest from the top.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 24, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on January 24, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
anybody else catch (or attempt to catch) any of the broadcasts from Goucher Saturday? The comments we've received so far have been all over the place -- some extremely positive, some really negative and even a couple that like cold case weren't able to connect to it.

NEPA always has to play the Devil's Advocate, silly Jets fan.

I was disappointed that the game didn't come in. I tried IE and Google but it didn't work.
The CU stream was nice. Nary a problem.

Matt using such words like "cathatric" sounds hoidy-toidy, like NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 24, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on January 24, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
anybody else catch (or attempt to catch) any of the broadcasts from Goucher Saturday? The comments we've received so far have been all over the place -- some extremely positive, some really negative and even a couple that like cold case weren't able to connect to it.

NEPA always has to play the Devil's Advocate, silly Jets fan.

I was disappointed that the game didn't come in. I tried IE and Google but it didn't work.
The CU stream was nice. Nary a problem.

Matt using such words like "cathatric" sounds hoidy-toidy, like NEPA.

You spelled "cathartic" wrong.

Well, my CUA degree is good for something...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
This topic has been under the radar this season...Banzhof/Ashworth???
Looks to me like old Zach has his best games vs. Catholic & has put the Royals on his back since his freshman year. Two titles & the chance for a third has me thinking the debate is finally over???  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 24, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on January 24, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
anybody else catch (or attempt to catch) any of the broadcasts from Goucher Saturday? The comments we've received so far have been all over the place -- some extremely positive, some really negative and even a couple that like cold case weren't able to connect to it.

NEPA always has to play the Devil's Advocate, silly Jets fan.

I was disappointed that the game didn't come in. I tried IE and Google but it didn't work.
The CU stream was nice. Nary a problem.

Matt using such words like "cathatric" sounds hoidy-toidy, like NEPA.


Why don't you write a letter to the Scranton AD to get the last Landmark school on board with streaming video?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 24, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
This topic has been under the radar this season...Banzhof/Ashworth???
Looks to me like old Zach has his best games vs. Catholic & has put the Royals on his back since his freshman year. Two titles & the chance for a third has me thinking the debate is finally over???  ;)

Oh, boy.  I don't have the energy tonight.  I'll hit you tomorrrow.  Jason's having his best season, is once again the focus of everyone's defense as the primary scoring option, and is putting up huge numbers efficienty and consistently. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 24, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
This topic has been under the radar this season...Banzhof/Ashworth???
Looks to me like old Zach has his best games vs. Catholic & has put the Royals on his back since his freshman year. Two titles & the chance for a third has me thinking the debate is finally over???  ;)

Oh, boy.  I don't have the energy tonight.  I'll hit you tomorrrow.  Jason's having his best season, is once again the focus of everyone's defense as the primary scoring option, and is putting up huge numbers efficienty and consistently. 

Yet he was only on the floor for 32 minutes against Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 24, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
Pat,
im quite sure my dad could ell you many stories of the early yrs of catholic basketball as he hasn't missed a home game since 1947  and in the 50s 60s and early 70s even drove the vans to away games....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 24, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Oh, boy.  I don't have the energy tonight.  I'll hit you tomorrrow.  Jason's having his best season, is once again the focus of everyone's defense as the primary scoring option, and is putting up huge numbers efficienty and consistently.  

You spelled "efficiently" wrong.

Well, my Scranton degree is good for something...

Deja vu, sort of?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2011, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 24, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
Pat,
im quite sure my dad could ell you many stories of the early yrs of catholic basketball as he hasn't missed a home game since 1947  and in the 50s 60s and early 70s even drove the vans to away games....

  I should remember him then since there were only 30 or so of us at the Scranton-Catholic game in the pre-Landmark days when it was held on Thanksgiving weekend. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 24, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
Pat,
im quite sure my dad could ell you many stories of the early yrs of catholic basketball as he hasn't missed a home game since 1947  and in the 50s 60s and early 70s even drove the vans to away games....

No doubt -- but what I was looking for was schedules and results, not stories. We didn't even have schedules and results! If I had still been around the past few years it would have been a different story, but someone else is going to have to write the book.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 24, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Oh, boy.  I don't have the energy tonight.  I'll hit you tomorrrow.  Jason's having his best season, is once again the focus of everyone's defense as the primary scoring option, and is putting up huge numbers efficienty and consistently.  

You spelled "efficiently" wrong.

Well, my Scranton degree is good for something...

Deja vu, sort of?

I was trying to prove that I wasn't really hoity-toidy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:48:29 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 24, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
This topic has been under the radar this season...Banzhof/Ashworth???
Looks to me like old Zach has his best games vs. Catholic & has put the Royals on his back since his freshman year. Two titles & the chance for a third has me thinking the debate is finally over???  ;)

Oh, boy.  I don't have the energy tonight.  I'll hit you tomorrrow.  Jason's having his best season, is once again the focus of everyone's defense as the primary scoring option, and is putting up huge numbers efficienty and consistently.  

Yet he was only on the floor for 32 minutes against Scranton?

Bet if the game was on a Wednesday it would have been more like 36.  Still...I was no math major but that's 80% of the game.   In fact, he played more minutes than anybody else on the court except for Ashworth and Dixon.  And let's be honest--Danzig knew he probably wasn't going to need Ashworth for another 39 the next day.

Ashworth takes a ton of shots and therefore scores a lot of points.  Banzhaf is leading the league in field goal percentage (.602).   Ashworth is shooting .411.  To put that in perspective, JB is averaging 19.1 ppg, 11.6 field goal attempts per game, 4.6 free throw attempts. Ashworth is averaging 20.2, but on 13.3 attempts and 7.3 free throw attempts.  Of course, that doesn't take into account the fact that over half of Ashworth's points come  on 3 pointers--yet he's actually shooting a lower precentage even on 3's than Jason, though of course JB has a much smaller sample.

It is difficult to compare two players who play completely different positions.  But Jason's leading the league with 9.8 rebounds per game, and Ashworth isn't among the leaders in any other major category.

So that's my case for JB to this point.  And I think he'll win the award.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 10:15:19 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:48:29 AM
So that's my case for JB to this point.  And I think he'll win the award.

He may win the battle, but will he win the war?
Also, you touched on statistics where he takes 11.6 shots per game. Maybe that's the problem. If I have a "stud" like him, do you think he's getting that amount of shots or many more per game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
I agree  I think the POY award is a bit tired at this point. I am sure the kid would trade it for a postseason appearance and a run.


How about Asmer Capers as POY?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
Capers should certainly be considered... and my other vote would lean towards Ashworth. I understand Banzhaf is having a consistent season and almost ten boards a game is pretty good... but vast majority of those boards come on the defensive end (107-61).

Ashworth can just produce on all aspects of things, for the most part. He will score from outside and in and the other night when I thought there was no way he was going to make something happen, he did.

Ashworth, Capers, Banzhaf is my order... especially considering how well or not well their teams are playing through their efforts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
Well, we'll see.  Season isn't over yet.  In fact, we're not even halfway done with the conference schedule.  Unless things change dramatically, somebody's going to have to go into Scranton and beat them there, but who knows.

Well, no offense D-MAC, but I didn't even need to read your post to know what direction you'd go in.  You've never been a Banzhaf guy and we've argued that for years.

Your offensive rebounding argument makes no sense.  You do realize he's the league leader in offensive rebounds by a significant margin, right?  In fact, he's actually "only" 2nd in defensive rebounds--his overall margin comes from the offensive end.  What's with the arbitrary and nonsensical standard that a majority of rebounds have to come from the offensive end?  Has ANYBODY met that standard?  For his career, Ben Wallace had 3327 offensive boards, and 6789 defensive rebounds--meaning 67% of his rebounds were defensive.  Does that somehow invalidate the fact that he was a dominant rebounder?   And by the way, Banzhaf's ratio is actually better--63%.

So...what's your point with that? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
Well, we'll see.  Season isn't over yet.  In fact, we're not even halfway done with the conference schedule.  Unless things change dramatically, somebody's going to have to go into Scranton and beat them there, but who knows.

You've been using that same refrain for three years. Same ending result, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
Well, we'll see.  Season isn't over yet.  In fact, we're not even halfway done with the conference schedule.  Unless things change dramatically, somebody's going to have to go into Scranton and beat them there, but who knows.

You've been using that same refrain for three years. Same ending result, unfortunately.

Well, not unfortunately for you!  I know.  But are you willing to say Scranton absolutely can't be beaten by anybody?  I mean, as I know all too well, the Jets just beat the Patriots after we spanked them 45-3.  Its sports, things happen.  Short of hanging 'em up and declaring the season over, what are you going to do?  Play it out and let's see.   If Scranton wins, then they'll no doubt deserve it and God bless them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
Well, we'll see.  Season isn't over yet.  In fact, we're not even halfway done with the conference schedule.  Unless things change dramatically, somebody's going to have to go into Scranton and beat them there, but who knows.

You've been using that same refrain for three years. Same ending result, unfortunately.

Well, not unfortunately for you!  I know.  But are you willing to say Scranton absolutely can't be beaten by anybody?  I mean, as I know all too well, the Jets just beat the Patriots after we spanked them 45-3.  Its sports, things happen.  Short of hanging 'em up and declaring the season over, what are you going to do?  Play it out and let's see.   If Scranton wins, then they'll no doubt deserve it and God bless them.


Wait, your a Patriots fan too?    Next time tell Welker to keep his mouth shut!

:o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
Wait, your a Patriots fan too?    Next time tell Welker to keep his mouth shut!
:o

HAHAHA.
A Jets fan, whose team is the second coming of Thug Heaven, have bigger mouths than the Lincoln Tunnel, disrespect every team they face along with the fans and the integrity of the game, and are coached by biggest horses patoot ever to walk the sidelines, is telling a Patriots fan to have one of their players keep his mouth shut?
Now, that's PRICELESS!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
Wait, your a Patriots fan too?    Next time tell Welker to keep his mouth shut!
:o

HAHAHA.
A Jets fan, whose team is the second coming of Thug Heaven, have bigger mouths than the Lincoln Tunnel, disrespect every team they face along with the fans and the integrity of the game, and are coached by biggest horses patoot ever to walk the sidelines, is telling a Patriots fan to have one of their players keep his mouth shut?
Now, that's PRICELESS!


I think Bart Scott said it best " You don't talk about a man's wife". The internet buzz I am hearing is that Bellicheat is looking to move Welker, he is so upset with his actions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 02:37:02 PM
I was born and raised 30 miles west of Boston!  I'm a Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics and Bruins fan--in that order.

But you're right--this is a private matter between Rex Ryan, his wife, and the 50 million daily users of YouTube.

(I'm sorry, but at the point you post videos of your wife up on YouTube and leave them there--your right to privacy--and right not to be made fun of-- goes out the window).

Wes did a little mea culpa today and said he regretted putting "Coach in that position."  It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  If Welker gets moved, it will be for financial reasons.  That's just how the Pats roll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
I think Bart Scott said it best " You don't talk about a man's wife". The internet buzz I am hearing is that Bellicheat is looking to move Welker, he is so upset with his actions.

So what you're saying is if Belicheat coached the Jets, he'd move the entire team?
What Welker did was nothing. I don't recall him laying down in the endzone after a score and then wave goodbye to the fans like Sean "Gag" Green did, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
  Royals picked up 32 points in this week's top 25 poll in the others receiving votes category; road tests this weekend at MMA/Drew.

POY: I'll wait til all the games are played; should even include the playoffs, but I'm remembering the voting takes place before then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 02:37:02 PM

But you're right--this is a private matter between Rex Ryan, his wife, and the 50 million daily users of YouTube.


Matt- you graduated from Catholic, you are smart enough to know that Rex Ryan or his wife didn't put that video on Youtube. I am not saying that he couldn't have done a better job protecting his private videos, but why would he want that video out?

Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
 Royals picked up 32 points in this week's top 25 poll in the others receiving votes category; road tests this weekend at MMA/Drew.

POY: I'll wait til all the games are played; should even include the playoffs, but I'm remembering the voting takes place before then.

Ronk, believe that places them 27th in the nation. When is the last time the Royals were in the top 25? During the 2003 run?
Quote from: cold_case on January 25, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
I think Bart Scott said it best " You don't talk about a man's wife". The internet buzz I am hearing is that Bellicheat is looking to move Welker, he is so upset with his actions.

So what you're saying is if Belicheat coached the Jets, he'd move the entire team?
What Welker did was nothing. I don't recall him laying down in the endzone after a score and then wave goodbye to the fans like Sean "Gag" Green did, right?

You spelled "Sean" wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Uhh.. let me say this carefully cc--.because some guys "enjoy" the idea of other guys finding their spouse attractive.  That's about the cleanest way I can say it.

Who else would have posted those videos?  You must not have been following this story too well--the username associated with those videos was his wife's and it was her profile.  They posted them themselves--that's pretty clear. 

Do some digging, seriously--you'll see what I'm saying is true and it goes well beyond just those videos.  They had profiles on some far more "interesting" sites than YouTube.

Okay, we are way off topic.  Enough of that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
 Royals picked up 32 points in this week's top 25 poll in the others receiving votes category; road tests this weekend at MMA/Drew.

POY: I'll wait til all the games are played; should even include the playoffs, but I'm remembering the voting takes place before then.

Ronk, believe that places them 27th in the nation. When is the last time the Royals were in the top 25? During the 2003 run?


I'm guessing the 2008 squad with Tom Bicknell/Randy Arnold might have been in the top 25.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
The last time Scranton was ranked was No. 22 in the final poll of the 2002-03 season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Uhh.. let me say this carefully cc--.because some guys "enjoy" the idea of other guys finding their spouse attractive.  That's about the cleanest way I can say it.

Who else would have posted those videos?  You must not have been following this story too well--the username associated with those videos was his wife's and it was her profile.  They posted them themselves--that's pretty clear. 

Do some digging, seriously--you'll see what I'm saying is true and it goes well beyond just those videos.  They had profiles on some far more "interesting" sites than YouTube.

Okay, we are way off topic.  Enough of that.

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Try it, read the prior posts and you may notice it was NEPA, not cold case, that put you to task on your immediate topic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Uhh.. let me say this carefully cc--.because some guys "enjoy" the idea of other guys finding their spouse attractive.  That's about the cleanest way I can say it.

Who else would have posted those videos?  You must not have been following this story too well--the username associated with those videos was his wife's and it was her profile.  They posted them themselves--that's pretty clear. 

Do some digging, seriously--you'll see what I'm saying is true and it goes well beyond just those videos.  They had profiles on some far more "interesting" sites than YouTube.

Okay, we are way off topic.  Enough of that.


Yes, I have read all the Deadspin articles and am familiar with the story. They allegedly have a profile on a swingers site, but the handle is anonymous, their handle isn't "RexRyan and Wife". My point is that someone close, or who used to be close to them could have released the information. Did you see Ryan in the Press Conference after this was released? Not a happy camper. Why bring it on himself?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
The last time Scranton was ranked was No. 22 in the final poll of the 2002-03 season.


Thanks, Pat. They lost to Wooster in the Sweet 16 that year.



By the way, checking the Drew Box score (not sure why) last night, no Asmar Capers, can anyone tell me his status?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Uhh.. let me say this carefully cc--.because some guys "enjoy" the idea of other guys finding their spouse attractive.  That's about the cleanest way I can say it.

Who else would have posted those videos?  You must not have been following this story too well--the username associated with those videos was his wife's and it was her profile.  They posted them themselves--that's pretty clear. 

Do some digging, seriously--you'll see what I'm saying is true and it goes well beyond just those videos.  They had profiles on some far more "interesting" sites than YouTube.

Okay, we are way off topic.  Enough of that.

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Try it, read the prior posts and you may notice it was NEPA, not cold case, that put you to task on your immediate topic.

Yes, yes it was NEPA.  You have demonstrated considerably more clarity on this subject.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2011, 11:33:55 AM
WOW - we are certainly heading downhill in the ranks of some of the other Mid-Atlantic chat rooms of the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
  The pre-Landmark MAC-Freedom MB was much more volatile.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
They allegedly have a profile on a swingers site, but the handle is anonymous, their handle isn't "RexRyan and Wife".

Shocker!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
On a topic totally unrelated to Rex Ryan, his wife or her feet...I'm hearing Luke Hawk is leaning on playing out his medical redshirt next year for the Royals.
Should this happen, Scranton would certainly have a pretty nice nucleus returning.
However, in the meantime...let's keep on winning this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
On a topic totally unrelated to Rex Ryan, his wife or her feet...I'm hearing Luke Hawk is leaning on playing out his medical redshirt next year for the Royals.
Should this happen, Scranton would certainly have a pretty nice nucleus returning.
However, in the meantime...let's keep on winning this year.

I believe he is waiting to see if he get's accepted to grad school before making up his mind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
They allegedly have a profile on a swingers site, but the handle is anonymous, their handle isn't "RexRyan and Wife".

Shocker!

Matty seems to think the Ryan's blessed off on this stuff going public.

Toga and Cold Case you should get together and validate your sources.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
I already have.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 02:33:31 PM
Why not drop the Ryan nonsense. He's nothing more than a boorish clod.

I had to edit this because NEPAFAN said it made no sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
On a topic totally unrelated to Rex Ryan, his wife or her feet...I'm hearing Luke Hawk is leaning on playing out his medical redshirt next year for the Royals.
Should this happen, Scranton would certainly have a pretty nice nucleus returning.
However, in the meantime...let's keep on winning this year.

I believe he is waiting to see if he get's accepted to grad school before making up his mind.


Hard to pass up another all-expense paid trip to Juniata. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 27, 2011, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 27, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
On a topic totally unrelated to Rex Ryan, his wife or her feet...I'm hearing Luke Hawk is leaning on playing out his medical redshirt next year for the Royals.
Should this happen, Scranton would certainly have a pretty nice nucleus returning.
However, in the meantime...let's keep on winning this year.

I believe he is waiting to see if he get's accepted to grad school before making up his mind.


Hard to pass up another all-expense paid trip to Juniata. :)

How could anyone pass that up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 12:55:37 PM
Welcome back Brian. Where have you been?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 27, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 26, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
On a topic totally unrelated to Rex Ryan, his wife or her feet...I'm hearing Luke Hawk is leaning on playing out his medical redshirt next year for the Royals.
Should this happen, Scranton would certainly have a pretty nice nucleus returning.
However, in the meantime...let's keep on winning this year.

I believe he is waiting to see if he get's accepted to grad school before making up his mind.




Hard to pass up another all-expense paid trip to Juniata. :)

Well when you're from Scranton...

;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Fair enough
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2011, 02:03:47 PM
"Boston is Scranton with clams"


Trivia: What TV Show?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 02:19:44 PM
Tony S. of "The Soprano's". Hope I win 2 tickets to the Scranton/Catholic game.
Speaking of Scranton...I've just read where Dunder-Mifflin has decided to bring Will Ferrell in from HQ to help ease the pain of the Scranton branch as Michael Scott moves on. He should be classic in that role.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 02:19:44 PM
Tony S. of "The Soprano's". Hope I win 2 tickets to the Scranton/Catholic game.
Speaking of Scranton...I've just read where Dunder-Mifflin has decided to bring Will Ferrell in from HQ to help ease the pain of the Scranton branch as Michael Scott moves on. He should be classic in that role.

Actually you win a trip to tomorrow night's Drew game where you can see the sights and sounds that made The Soporano's famous before you and 1 guest enjoy a Landmark Conference showdown!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 27, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 02:19:44 PM
Tony S. of "The Soprano's". Hope I win 2 tickets to the Scranton/Catholic game.
Speaking of Scranton...I've just read where Dunder-Mifflin has decided to bring Will Ferrell in from HQ to help ease the pain of the Scranton branch as Michael Scott moves on. He should be classic in that role.

Actually you win a trip to tomorrow night's Drew game where you can see the sights and sounds that made The Soporano's famous before you and 1 guest enjoy a Landmark Conference showdown!

The Drew game is Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 03:11:15 PM
NEPA: I've already purchased my Drew tickets from Stub Hub back in November as I was expecting an overflow crowd in Madison.
The case of cold ones is correct, that game is Sat.
If the winning tickets are for Friday's game at MMA, perhaps you can put them on E-Bay...I'm sure they'll bring in top dollar.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
Looks like the Long Center will be packed tomorrow for basketball. Unfortunately, the Royals will not be playing there. A high school game between Scranton & West Scranton will be held there & the old house should be rocking.
Probably more dunks & fast break points in this game than the Long Center has seen since the days of Irv, Phil, Miernicki, Maher & Connelly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2011, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 28, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
Looks like the Long Center will be packed tomorrow for basketball. Unfortunately, the Royals will not be playing there. A high school game between Scranton & West Scranton will be held there & the old house should be rocking.
Probably more dunks & fast break points in this game than the Long Center has seen since the days of Irv, Phil, Miernicki, Maher & Connelly.

Mr. Sunshine strikes again!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2011, 08:19:52 PM
Is it me or is the video camera operator for MMA tonight a little tipsy? Every view is off center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
  Off-center is being generous; the near (right-hand) basket barely is shown in the upper left corner;most of the picture is the area behind the basket. It was that way for the women's game also. Hope they steer their ships in the merchant marine better than they operate a camera.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
What a strange night.  Drew wins in 3OT, Scranton gets blownout by a team Catholic beat on the road, Goucher handily beats Juanita, and Catholic smokes a Susquehanna team that had beaten them, albeit on something of a freak play, a couple of weeks ago. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2011, 10:58:03 PM
  The Royals were lackadaisical tonite; didn't seem to play with any passion, except Tim Lavelle. Couldn't blame it on the 2nd game of the weekend, either. Reminiscent of the conference championship game with MMA last year.
  Caught the OTs of Moravian-Drew; Drew got contribution from 6'11" player who took up a lot of space. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 29, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 27, 2011, 12:55:37 PM
Welcome back Brian. Where have you been?

Thanks..never left, just didn't have much to offer to the conversation

Was able to take in the JC Goucher game tonight...lotta defense/not alotta offense depending on how you look at it...in the end Goucher athleticism was the difference with Yambor making some tough shots...Trae Lindsey could be a real beast if he hits the weight room (even more then he has) and works on his footwork.

JC has their work cut out for them tomoro
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2011, 12:23:52 AM
  Home court sweeps the nite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
Who would have thought, with a win today Drew is in striking distance of first place. Maybe they'll be burned out after three OTs.


So who won the Scranton - West Scranton battle?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 29, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
What a strange night.  Drew wins in 3OT, Scranton gets blownout by a team Catholic beat on the road, Goucher handily beats Juanita, and Catholic smokes a Susquehanna team that had beaten them, albeit on something of a freak play, a couple of weeks ago. 


You mean Scranton got blownout by a team Catholic beat on the road?
Yikes! How bad will Scranton lose when they play at Catholic.....oh, wait a minute.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 29, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
What a strange night.  Drew wins in 3OT, Scranton gets blownout by a team Catholic beat on the road, Goucher handily beats Juanita, and Catholic smokes a Susquehanna team that had beaten them, albeit on something of a freak play, a couple of weeks ago. 


You mean Scranton got blownout by a team Catholic beat on the road?
Yikes! How bad will Scranton lose when they play at Catholic.....oh, wait a minute.


Not Scranton's best weekend  0-2 on the trip.



Meanwhile Catholic is blowing people out.....getting a bit nervous.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
Great day at DuFour today.  Nice to see former Cardinals and particulary the 2001 team reunited.  Once again, the school was smart and by having the celebration today ensured a great home crowd that had plenty to cheer about.

The team I saw today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the team I saw take the court at Scranton.  This team played stifling defense from the get-go, was extremely active on the offensive end, took advantage of transition and played a much, much better half court game with outstanding ball movement. That's exactly what's been happening ever since that Scranton lost.  We're still only 3 games into the post-Scranton stretch, but I think that game was a wakeup call.

For one thing, Kearney is back starting and it does make a huge difference. He got in foul trouble early today and only played 14 minutes--largely because they didn't need him--but he had monster dunk and 2 huge blocks--officially--and affected a whole bunch of plays inside defensively.  They are a much more solid team with him in there.  Also, Banzhaf's numbers are actually down, but that's not a bad thing--there are simply more guys doing things other than him.  When JB is their only offensive option, he'll put up big numbers and get his points, but they aren't better for it.  Dixon is continuing to play at a very high level, but now the bench guys are really contributing and they're super deep so that can be a strength.  By the way, Drew ended up shooting 17 percent for the game--obviously some of that is just Juanita not being able to do much, but the overall defensive effort had a lot to do with that.

The kid you want to watch next week is Gabriel Estrada, a D2 transfer out of Merrimack who is just getting back in the swing of things.  You won't notice it from the box score, but this kid is a huge talent at the 3 which they badly need.  He did two things today that made me sit up straight--hit a turnaround without much space around him that was silky smooth, and then nailed a transition 3 by beating everybody down the court.  I have not seen much of that in a D3 gym--not from a 6'5 kid with a D1ish body.  (It wasn't just that he hit it--it was HOW he hit it--if you were there at that game you know what I mean-it was like at once the whole gym was saying "who is THIS kid?"  Just one of those moments.)  So as his minutes continue to increase, we'll see how that impacts things.

As far as Scranton---this is proving to be a tough league and obviously Drew is a different team with Caspers (I think its time to take a look at that situation, I'll get to that later this week perhaps).  I got hit a little bit for saying it, though, and honestly I meant no disrespect--but Scranton just didn't look that good to me.  They really lack depth and have no size.   I can't say I'm shocked.  I'm not saying they're not going to win the league or that Catholic is going to go up there and beat them--we'll see--but they didn't look the least bit like a top 25 team to me even while beating Catholic on the road and I think my impression was validated.

Well, anyway, homecourt held this weekend and CUA doesn't get any extra credit for margin of victory, impressive as it was.  Now we'll see what kind of carryover there is.  Man I wish they didn't have to wait a week to get back out there.  So hard to get any kind of momentum in this schedule--as Scranton can probably attest to as well.  They have a great weekend last weekend with big road wins, and then have to sit around a week and do nothing and come out flat against a MMA team they probably should have beaten.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 29, 2011, 11:38:44 PM
It's J-U-N-I-A-T-A not Juanita
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2011, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: BCannon on January 29, 2011, 11:38:44 PM
It's J-U-N-I-A-T-A not Juanita

Well at least I say it right.   I'm going to return your smite by giving you a karma point for reading that far.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2011, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2011, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: BCannon on January 29, 2011, 11:38:44 PM
It's J-U-N-I-A-T-A not Juanita

Well at least I say it right.   I'm going to return your smite by giving you a karma point for reading that far.



He doesn't have enough posts to smite you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2011, 12:54:40 AM
Oh well, somebody did.

He got my applause anyway. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Hey Matt: Mr. Sunshine here. Looks like a great judge of talent such as yourself finds the Royals to be "just not that good", yet when someone that has followed them for a few years essentially says the same thing they are "getting down" on them??? I guess that means either you never say anything truthful about your team (blind allegiance) or you are hypocritical...you can't say that but I can. Which one of those is most near & dear to you? Actually, now that I think of it...I see a little of you in both.
Normally I'm so accustomed to you complaining about how Catholic was so abused by the refs on the road that I've not really noticed the secret weapons you've been stockpiling from D-2 as you get ready for the stretch run. I really hope the Royals have played a small part in the resurgence of Catholic basketball by knocking them off at home. With the way the Royals are now playing (as expected & not that well) I'm pretty sure that with Jason finally figuring it out (just in the nick of time), the improved play of your center & the bench being enhanced by the physical greatness of a recent addition, the program is once again ready for prime time.
The Royals on the other hand...not to get down on them (only you are allowed that privilege) are hitting their typical late season swoon. Simply blown out at MMA after only being down 4 at the half & then losing yesterday in a game they led by 11 with 4 minutes left.
I've said it all year...they'll go as far as any one dimensional team can when that one aspect of their game is firing on all fronts. Take that away & there will be problems. Yesterday vs. Drew was an absolutely winnable game on the road & may very well be the one that does them in when all is said & done. That said, this is the most athletic team Drew has ever had & their coach has brought in some nice kids to compliment those he kept from 2 years ago.
It looks like it's going down to the wire yet again & I'm sure the Royals will be in the mix. Whether or not a very bland one dimensional group will be ready to take on the resurgent men of D.C. remains to be seen at this point. I guess we'll get to know even more about these respective teams by this time next week. In the meantime, the Royals have much work to do should they have any real hope of being taken seriously not only on the national scene but in the Landmark itself. Not getting down on them...just the way I see it.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2011, 12:01:49 AM
That's really not what I said.  Either you can't take a joke or this isn't the right medium for it.  Although, behind every joke I suppose there is some truth, and that's even when things are going really well for Scranton--which they usually are--you don't seem to be terribly happy about it.  Like the guy who just has to complain to be happy.  But I don't know you, that just could be your schtick.  Besides which, usually my ribbing is in reference to stuff that has nothing to do with what's happening on the court.

Anybody who reads what I say can't accuse me of being either of those things.  I call it like I see it, too.  I'm very careful to couch what I say about Catholic, and yes, I do tend to stay more even keeled than some others.  The season wasn't over when we went on a bad stetch and lost a couple of games we shouldn't have, and now its not made because we're on a good stretch.  What I try to have is some perspective--what's the overall state of the program? What kind of kids are in there, what kind of coaches?  Are they graduating?  Is team chemistry a problem, are they representing themselves well on the court?  And yes, in that mix, are they competitive/winning?  From where I sit, Scranton has a hell of a lot to be happy about judging against that criteria.  They are well coached, they are a solid program every year, although I have limited basis to judge, it would appear to an outsider that they have high character kids who go on and do good things in life.  And so if I was a Scranton fan, there's just a limit to how much I would trash them, which doesn't mean I'd pretend the play on the court was something to write home about when it wasn't.

I think I was pretty critical about both teams when Catholic and Scranton played together.  I expected more out of CUA in general this year, and I expected more from Scranton based on their performance this year. 

BTW--I never said anything about Jason "figuring it out", it is not that there is improved play from Catholic's center--its that he's actually playing, period, since he missed a bunch of games with an injury (which just so happened to be when they took a nosedive), and I didn't say that the transfer was "physically great."  And I have no idea if the program is ready for "prime time."  Since I have enough things in life to worry about it, I generally choose to be optimistic about the things I can be, so yeah, I think things are looking up.  But we'll see.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2011, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 28, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
Looks like the Long Center will be packed tomorrow for basketball. Unfortunately, the Royals will not be playing there. A high school game between Scranton & West Scranton will be held there & the old house should be rocking.
Probably more dunks & fast break points in this game than the Long Center has seen since the days of Irv, Phil, Miernicki, Maher & Connelly.

Mr. Sunshine strikes again!

Like this.  This is what I rib you for.  That has nothing to do with anything on the court.  This is not an analysis of how Scranton is playing, strengths and weaknesses, so on--you want to be down on them, be my guest.  I'm never going to open my mouth.  Its this stuff that I get a kick out of it.  I guess it bothers you so I'll stop.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Matt: again, I dare to disagree. The fact that the Long Center has had no fan interest (as in zero) in the past 7-8 years speaks volumes. My point is that not so long ago it was the Royals packing that place each & every game...now if 400 show up it's a great crowd.
I went there Matt & to see high school games packing the place while the Royals play in front of a crowd you can count means there is a serious disconnect somewhere. The high school game attracted over 2,000 on Sat. whereas the Royals haven't seen a crowd like that in far too long. Therein lies the point I was making with that statement...it certainly does have quite a bit to do with the state of the program.
Of course we all accept the fact that kids playing for these schools in the Landmark are going to class & will graduate & will continue to be great kids long after they leave school. Those have never been issues of mine or anyone else I know that follows Scranton basketball. The issue continues to be one of getting Scranton back to where Bessoir had it virtually every year...the NCAA tournament.
The loss on Sat. was not due to the ref's., an unfair proportion of fouls or anything else other than the Drew kids kicking it in down the stretch & essentially refusing to lose. The Royals did help them along the way in the last 4 minutes by going from being a one dimensional team to a one player team. Shot selection went from questionable to unnecessary & the door was opened for Drew & they took complete advantage.
Anyone that follows Royals basketball knows they have no inside game & no point. They get the best out of their talent most games yet coaches are known to make adjustments from time to time & that's what's happening now.
Some schools are happy just to have a team, some are thrilled to play .500 & others have a history of success on & off the court. The off the court stuff is being done perfectly...the frustrating aspect is when the same personel issues are there year after year & the framework for moving to the next level is just not happening.
If Scranton were to finish the season in first or second place, get eliminated in the Landmark playoffs & not get a bid to the tourney, would that be a good year? For some schools it would probably be a great year & one to remember...I just think Royals fans have seen enough of that & would like a bit more, hence the crowds of 250/400.
I really hope the students turn out this weekend & get behind them. The Royals are undermanned & undersized yet bust each game against kids bigger, stronger & faster...just wish that wasn't always the case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2011, 11:54:33 AM
You guys aren't the only ones talking about the Landmark Conference schedule. Coaches are speaking out publicly. Story in What We're Reading.

You can find Landmark-specific stories on any Landmark team's page, under the ads in the third column of the page:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Scranton/men/2010-11/index
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2011, 12:41:24 PM
And don't forget that Coach Danzig was rather open about the conference scheduling on Hoopsville a few weeks back.

The archive is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12139251
His interview I think was in the last 45 minutes of the show (I can't remember where, to be honest).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2011, 12:41:24 PM
And don't forget that Coach Danzig was rather open about the conference scheduling on Hoopsville a few weeks back.

The archive is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12139251
His interview I think was in the last 45 minutes of the show (I can't remember where, to be honest).

First 30, D-Mac!  He was VERY candid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 31, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
I can not wait to see this stud Jason Banzhaf that Matt has been talking about for the last 4 years when they come to the Long center this weekend!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
  I don't think you'll be disappointed; if he were 6'6" instead of 6'3 1/2'', he'd be a D1 player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 31, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
Yo Matt, there is a new Orioles post on my facebook. Can't wait to read your latest reply.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2011, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: augie on January 31, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
I can not wait to see this stud Jason Banzhaf that Matt has been talking about for the last 4 years when they come to the Long center this weekend!

Augie,


Nice to see another Royal fan. Scranton fans certainly dominate the Landmark Board, if we don't fill up the Long Center.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2011, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 31, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
Yo Matt, there is a new Orioles post on my facebook. Can't wait to read your latest reply.

What kind of game changer did the Birds come up with this time?  Brady Anderson's drug test from the year he hit 50 finally come back form positive?

C'mon, if you didn't have me on here this board would be dreadfully boring. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
I wanted to share this....Scranton and Ashworth were featured on NCAA.COM


http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2011-01-27/ashworth%E2%80%99s-scoring-fuels-scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2011, 03:12:29 PM
  Annual meeting of Landmark Conference presidents is taking place today and tomorrow at Catholic. Check out the College of Cardinals videostreaming for announcement of basketball scheduling change proposal - black smoke for continuation of current Friday/Saturday sched, white smoke for Wednesday/Saturday sched. Film at 11.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2011, 04:14:04 PM
Nice article on Zach. Thanks for sharing.
I'm betting on the white smoke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:15:33 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Well, Catholic's DeSales win looks pretty good...

DeSales won that game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
Looks just as good as that win over Carnegie Mellon - oh, never mind... it was just too easy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2011, 04:42:58 PM
3 CSAC Teams , no Landmark teams? That Royal win over Cabrini looks pretty good right now!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:47:44 PM
Right now... a lot can change in three weeks... and Scranton had a shot until they lost both games this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2011, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Well, Catholic's DeSales win looks pretty good...

DeSales won that game.

Good point.

(I deleted the message, but this post will serve as evidence of my inaccuracy.) 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2011, 08:52:30 PM
What is the over/under for Saturdays game in Scranton? I think it opened at 500.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2011, 08:52:30 PM
What is the over/under for Saturdays game in Scranton? I think it opened at 500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHYYkZpZGjo
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2011, 10:00:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:47:44 PM
Right now... a lot can change in three weeks... and Scranton had a shot until they lost both games this weekend.


I hear ya D-Mac, but the CSAC? 3 teams?


I think the Royals have to close out the season 4-1 to hold off the advancing Rangers of Drew and Cardinals of Catholic.


Case of Cold , What planet are you on right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2011, 12:44:09 PM
NEPAFAN, I will admit that the Mid-Atlantic Region Rankings confuse me... personally after looking at a lot of the numbers I would have gone at least:
1) Wesley
2) St. Mary's
3) La Roche
4) E-Town

HOWEVER, I haven't looked at some of the criteria, I was shaking my head too much at what I had already looked at... prompting me to take a break.

As for CSAC... it isn't like their schedules are weak. Let me do more research, but when F&M with a somewhat weak out of conference and a weak in-conference schedule coupled with the inability to win games on the road (remember, more weight given to road wins) is sitting at the bottom, I am not surprised Scranton is not there since they lost to Merchant Marine and Drew on the road last weekend... that could have been very good bonus points for them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2011, 02:46:06 PM
Well, if the NCAA has you scratching your head with their mens Middle Atlantic selections, their womens ranking will leave you needing a case of Head & Shoulders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2011, 10:55:32 AM
Toga/Nepa,
  Something I picked up from the live stats play-by-play of last nite's game: What was with Travis' fouling 3 times in the last minute(one, a 3-pt shot) while protecting a lead instead of letting the clock run? I didn't get to hear Dean's audio description.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
Saratoga - have less issues with the women's then the men's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2011, 10:55:32 AM
Toga/Nepa,
  Something I picked up from the live stats play-by-play of last nite's game: What was with Travis' fouling 3 times in the last minute(one, a 3-pt shot) while protecting a lead instead of letting the clock run? I didn't get to hear Dean's audio description.

Maybe he had Goucher +15?  ;D

Left today's game with a couple minutes remaining and heard the final few seconds on radio. It pained me to hear the announcers acting in disbelief that Scranton won.
I know Luke Hawk didn't play but this is a Catholic squad that Scranton has had good fortune against the past few years. Maybe these announcers should stop overrating one team and underrating their own?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2011, 07:22:10 PM
Good grief---when I turned the audio off to go to church, Catholic was up a couple with maybe 11-12 minutes to play and frankly it sounded like they were playing pretty well and controlling the tempo.  Talk about a sudden turnaround.  That place is a flat out house of horrors for us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
What a great great win for the Royals. CUA had blown out there last 4 opponents by something like an average of 20+. Obviously, added concern was seeing Hawk out of the line-up, I followed on live stats and was very pleased to see a 3 point half time deficit turn into a laugher.


Ronk-I listened last night and the only thing mentioned was a potential injury to Swaback's back. Nothing about Farrel fouling or Hawk's injury.


Cold Case-What did you have to beat the traffic out of the Long Center? Was Hawk in street clothes? How serious is the injury? Who shut down the dynamic duo of Banzhaf and Kearny?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2011, 09:59:17 PM
  Royals clinch a playoff spot; recap says Hawk suffered a wrist injury in last nite's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 06, 2011, 09:41:13 AM
I agree that the radio announcers seemed to be in shock that Scranton beat Catholic.  Good fortune against Catholic?  During the four year history of the Landmark conference, Scranton has owned Catholic!  I think that the Cards have only won once or twice out of ten or so. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
No.  At this point, for it to be a rivarly, the other side has to win once in a while.

I don't think that you can say the "dynamic duo" was shut down by anybody, considering they went for 32 and 16 combined.   

But we all know that Scranton can shoot, and nobody in the league can hang with them when they get hot.  I'm assuming from the recap that's what happened.  Catholic must have gotten down, had to get out of the gameplan which had been working, and then starting trying to shoot their way back in it which they can't do. 

Well, I think there's a pretty good chance the current standings will hold the rest of the way.   Scranton could help Catholic out by beating Susquehanna, and Catholic could help out Scranton be beating Drew at home next weekend.  The Cardinals could slip in the third spot by beating MMA, especially MMA closes with Drew and could well lose that game.

BTW--Goucher has been going in the right direction...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2011, 11:23:36 AM
Luke was in uniform...just at the end of the bench so you knew right away he wasn't playing. Apparently, he re-injured an old wrist problem & he'll be going for x-rays this morning. Obviously, the Royals need him down the stretch but Andrew Wynn played his butt off defensively on Kearney.
The entire complexion of the game changed around the 14 minute mark when Tim Lavelle hit a couple of 3's & Ashworth got open for some NBA range bombs & before you knew it a 5 point deficit was a 10 point lead & the Royals never looked back. One big change that aided the Royals defensively was every time Jason touched the ball he was immediately doubled up by Lavelle who, at 5'8" was sneaking in & playing havoc with his drop step move to the basket. He was kicking it back out but not too many others besides Dixon looked like they even wanted to shoot. The momentum of this game went from the Royals on the cusp of losing control any second to a switch being turned on & having them play like they are capable of when the bombs are falling.
Ashwoth awoke to probably score 90% of his points in the 2nd. half & some adjustments made by Scranton made Banzhof's life miserable in the 2nd.
Two big hero's for the Royals beside Ashwoth were Tim Lavelle & Wynn. Prior to the mid-way point in the season both got very little PT and now they have become valuable contributors.
Certainly a very nice weekend for the Royals...next up, the road trip from hell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 06, 2011, 09:41:13 AM
I agree that the radio announcers seemed to be in shock that Scranton beat Catholic.  Good fortune against Catholic?  During the four year history of the Landmark conference, Scranton has owned Catholic!  I think that the Cards have only won once or twice out of ten or so. 

  I didn't hear yesterday's game, but the color guy usually is Professor Harry Dammer, who is basketball old-school, and I've enjoyed listening to him, especially for the nuances of how the game shifts in momentum and strategy. He's seen too many instances of the Royals' playing below capability in the past, usually when their effort is lacking. So he's willing to point that out or if they're lucky, or have benefitted from an official's bad call. Not a homer that one encounters on some stations. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2011, 11:23:36 AM
Luke was in uniform...just at the end of the bench so you knew right away he wasn't playing. Apparently, he re-injured an old wrist problem & he'll be going for x-rays this morning. Obviously, the Royals need him down the stretch but Andrew Wynn played his butt off defensively on Kearney.
The entire complexion of the game changed around the 14 minute mark when Tim Lavelle hit a couple of 3's & Ashworth got open for some NBA range bombs & before you knew it a 5 point deficit was a 10 point lead & the Royals never looked back. One big change that aided the Royals defensively was every time Jason touched the ball he was immediately doubled up by Lavelle who, at 5'8" was sneaking in & playing havoc with his drop step move to the basket. He was kicking it back out but not too many others besides Dixon looked like they even wanted to shoot. The momentum of this game went from the Royals on the cusp of losing control any second to a switch being turned on & having them play like they are capable of when the bombs are falling.
Ashwoth awoke to probably score 90% of his points in the 2nd. half & some adjustments made by Scranton made Banzhof's life miserable in the 2nd.
Two big hero's for the Royals beside Ashwoth were Tim Lavelle & Wynn. Prior to the mid-way point in the season both got very little PT and now they have become valuable contributors.
Certainly a very nice weekend for the Royals...next up, the road trip from hell.

I think Ashworth displayed why he is the best player in the conference yesterday. The kid carried his club during that 24-2 second half run that put the game away.
And I agree that CU's big two combined to have a nice game but where were they in that infamous second half? Especially against a much smaller Scranton unit.
Regardless, both youngsters are solid performers. I'd have them on my team anyday.

And, I know I'm beating a dead horse with the announcers, but I thought they were simply "awful" despite what one poster said. I'm against homers (except Matt) but let's not act so shocked over the outcome. You're actually belittling your own team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Scranton has won 9 of 10 Landmark Conference games against Catholic University.



As for the announcers, I am just glad Scranton has a radio broadcast since they are the only team in the league not to offer Live Video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
BTW--Goucher has been going in the right direction...
WHAT?! Is that a CUA guy giving props to Goucher?! HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!!! :) Thanks, Matt.

Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
And, I know I'm beating a dead horse with the announcers, but I thought they were simply "awful" despite what one poster said. I'm against homers (except Matt) but let's not act so shocked over the outcome. You're actually belittling your own team.
Kind of like cheering "over-rated" to a team that is ranked higher then your own team... means they aren't as good as they apparently are and your team isn't actually better... the other team isn't as good! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
BTW--Goucher has been going in the right direction...
WHAT?! Is that a CUA guy giving props to Goucher?! HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!!! :) Thanks, Matt.

Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
And, I know I'm beating a dead horse with the announcers, but I thought they were simply "awful" despite what one poster said. I'm against homers (except Matt) but let's not act so shocked over the outcome. You're actually belittling your own team.
Kind of like cheering "over-rated" to a team that is ranked higher then your own team... means they aren't as good as they apparently are and your team isn't actually better... the other team isn't as good! :)

Um, yeah, ok, I think.
Scranton really is not that good and I once thought CU had better talent but I'm doubting that now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 07, 2011, 04:35:07 AM
Matt shut the hell up all ready about Banzhaf and Catholic and Ronk i have been around the game along time so if Zach was 3 inches taller he would be at a division 1 also i was trying to be sarcastic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: augie on February 07, 2011, 04:35:07 AM
Matt shut the hell up all ready about Banzhaf and Catholic and Ronk i have been around the game along time so if Zach was 3 inches taller he would be at a division 1 also i was trying to be sarcastic.

What are you talking about?  What are you even responding to?  I didn't say a word about Ashworth. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2011, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: augie on February 07, 2011, 04:35:07 AM
Matt shut the hell up all ready about Banzhaf and Catholic and Ronk i have been around the game along time so if Zach was 3 inches taller he would be at a division 1 also i was trying to be sarcastic.

What are you talking about?  What are you even responding to?  I didn't say a word about Ashworth. 

Maybe Augie is in ANTICIPATORY" mode, waiting for your weekly comparison. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: augie on February 07, 2011, 04:35:07 AM
Matt shut the hell up all ready about Banzhaf and Catholic and Ronk i have been around the game along time so if Zach was 3 inches taller he would be at a division 1 also i was trying to be sarcastic.

Looks like we finally have a Scranton student posting!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
Lets go Catholic! ( For tonight at least!) ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2011, 10:05:50 PM
Well, you got your wish.  I have given up trying to figure these guys out.  Apparently, if you aren't Scranton, we're going to blow you out!

Catholic 91 Drew 48

Cardinals had an astounding 56-29 rebounding advantage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2011, 01:33:16 AM
  Royals with win tonite clinch hosting in 1st round of conference playoff. Luke plays effectively after missing previous game with injury but Royals lose Tommy Morgan in fall to floor early in game(shades of Paul Hawk 2 years ago which affected Royals play in NCAA that year).
  NCAA has Royals in-region record  and record vs. regionally ranked opponents shy 1 victory(probably Kean). Will advise coaching staff of discrepancy since it affects regional ranking, Pool C status, and NCAA tournament hosting as well as other contenders. It's been that way in both regional rankings released so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Somewhat amazing that Scranton's win at Kean (# 2 in their region) & a win over regionally ranked Cabrini hasn't put the Royals in the mix.
I'm sure if they win on the road today vs. Juniata, coupled with Keystone's horrible loss vs. Marywood, they certainly should be in next Wednesday.
Then again, this is the NCAA we are talking about & putting incorrect spins on their own rules has become a yearly right of passage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
Glad to hear that Royal's Freshman Tommy Morgan "only" has a concussion. Some scary moments watching the live video as Tommy's head hit the deck and he his whole body started twitching. About a 10 minute delay in the game as he was transported to the hospital.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 12, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
Glad to hear that Royal's Freshman Tommy Morgan "only" has a concussion. Some scary moments watching the live video as Tommy's head hit the deck and he his whole body started twitching. About a 10 minute delay in the game as he was transported to the hospital.




It was scary live, too. Really glad to hear he's OK.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Somewhat amazing that Scranton's win at Kean (# 2 in their region) & a win over regionally ranked Cabrini hasn't put the Royals in the mix.
I'm sure if they win on the road today vs. Juniata, coupled with Keystone's horrible loss vs. Marywood, they certainly should be in next Wednesday.
Then again, this is the NCAA we are talking about & putting incorrect spins on their own rules has become a yearly right of passage.

I'm thinking that the NCAA hasn't realized that it's an in-region game and Scranton hasn't gotten credit for it yet; I'll pursue it with the coach. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 06:21:39 PM
Forget my last post...I was dreaming when I thought the Royals may finally be ready for prime time.
There is no way in the world a team trying to impress those in charge of their fate allow themselves to be totally dominated by a team that had 4 conference wins to that point. I could care less if the game is at Juniata...if you're better, then win the damn game. Does Duke go into every game on tobacco road with that mentality or do they tighten up the D and just get it done?
A freakin pathetic effort that just cost them dearly.
If, and I do mean if...they are lucky enough to win the Landmark they are obviously on the road come tournament time. However, I promise you that after this putrid loss, they just kissed away any chance of an at-large opportunity.
When is this program going to regain the ability to win big games and advance beyond a nice record in a generally weak conference?
Apparently, not this year...again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
Go Goucher!  With their win over Merchant Marine today, Catholic actually has a shot at the #2 seed and a home game.  Goucher upsetting Drew would certainly help the cause.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
Go Goucher!  With their win over Merchant Marine today, Catholic actually has a shot at the #2 seed and a home game.  Goucher upsetting Drew would certainly help the cause.

After a no-show for the week, Matt makes an appearance and that only means one thing: Catholic must have won Friday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2011, 08:35:08 PM
Scranton still clinches the 1 seed.

2 questions:   1 - does anyone have an update on Tommy Morgan?

2- I believe Scranton is the only team to win both legs of a road trip, Winning at CUA and Goucher. Has any other team done it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
Go Goucher!  With their win over Merchant Marine today, Catholic actually has a shot at the #2 seed and a home game.  Goucher upsetting Drew would certainly help the cause.

After a no-show for the week, Matt makes an appearance and that only means one thing: Catholic must have won Friday.

What are you insinuating?  I don't duck the board when Catholic loses--I posted at least twice after the Scranton game.  You WILL see a correlation between, you know, actual games and posts.  Another reason to change the schedule.  There's no activity on this board during the week because they are no games and there is nothing to say unless somebody wants to start a POY argument or something.  I'm happy to discuss the fall of the Egyptian dictatorship or handicap the 2012 Presidential race if you really need to read something from me but I doubt anyone else does.  And probably not this week, either, since my week included a night in the Emergency Room for myself and 2 sick children and a sick pregnant wife.

In any event, Goucher DID get the upset over Drew and now we're set up for one heck of a wild finish--a 3-way tie between Catholic, Drew and Merchant Marine.   The Landmark website is currently listing Catholic in second, but I don't know how the tiebreaker plays out.  If anyone does, by all means I'd love to hear it.

Next week, Catholic is at home vs Goucher, Drew travels to Merchant Marine.  So assuming Catholic wins (which I'm not, by the way, given how well Goucher is playing), there would be a 2-way tie because either Drew or MM will have a loss. 





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
NEPA: As far as Tommy Morgan, all I know is what I heard via the Royals broadcast today. He was still at Geisinger Hospital in Danville for observation & his parents got there late last night from Long Island. According to Dean, and this is not official..."he is probably done for the year". He did not elaborate if that news was an assumption or medical fact. I guess we'll know soon enough.
As far as the Landmark tie breaker system, from what I remember Matt, it starts with the head to head record then goes to the record vs. the team above. In other words, if Catholic & Drew split but Catholic lost both games to the Royals yet Drew defeated Scranton once, then Drew gets the tie-breaker.
After what transpired today, I'd say the upcoming tournament, regardless of order, is wide open without a clear & convincing favorite.
May the best team win...cause we're only getting that one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 13, 2011, 01:20:57 AM
Saratoga is on the money!  Catholic would win a three team tie, however, Drew and MMA play next week.  For Catholic to get a home game, they must beat Goucher and pray that MMA beats Drew.  Catholic would obviously win a tie-breaker with MMA.  Drew holds their own destination in their hands!  Go Cards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 13, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
Go Goucher!  With their win over Merchant Marine today, Catholic actually has a shot at the #2 seed and a home game.  Goucher upsetting Drew would certainly help the cause.

After a no-show for the week, Matt makes an appearance and that only means one thing: Catholic must have won Friday.

What are you insinuating?  I don't duck the board when Catholic loses--I posted at least twice after the Scranton game.  You WILL see a correlation between, you know, actual games and posts.  Another reason to change the schedule.  There's no activity on this board during the week because they are no games and there is nothing to say unless somebody wants to start a POY argument or something.  I'm happy to discuss the fall of the Egyptian dictatorship or handicap the 2012 Presidential race if you really need to read something from me but I doubt anyone else does.  And probably not this week, either, since my week included a night in the Emergency Room for myself and 2 sick children and a sick pregnant wife.

Oh, here we go. Excuses, excuses.
Anyway, since I'm not a hoidy-toidy and get involved with who's running the country, why not handicap this years Derby?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2011, 03:48:36 PM
Matt - sorry we couldn't help with the Merchant Marine game... MMA played extremely well and Goucher played its worse game of the season, IMHO.

That being said, they then played extremely well last night against Drew and while it was tight the entire game, they didn't back down. They also played some of their seniors like Brandon and Kosh far more then usual and their intensity and desire was 180-degrees from Friday night.

Also, congrats to Goucher's Trae Linsday. Last night he had 3 block to break the Goucher record for career blocks (now has 77) previously held by Goucher Athletics and Men's Basketball Hall of Famer Predrag Djurkovic. He already broke the season block record (has 46 - old record was) and already shares the blocks per game record of five with Djurkovic. BTW, Linsday is a sophomore! :)

If Goucher can keep it's young players improving, can find a solid point guard, and solve some mental lapses on defense they are going to be a factor in the next couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
NEPA: As far as Tommy Morgan, all I know is what I heard via the Royals broadcast today. He was still at Geisinger Hospital in Danville for observation & his parents got there late last night from Long Island. According to Dean, and this is not official..."he is probably done for the year". He did not elaborate if that news was an assumption or medical fact. I guess we'll know soon enough.
As far as the Landmark tie breaker system, from what I remember Matt, it starts with the head to head record then goes to the record vs. the team above. In other words, if Catholic & Drew split but Catholic lost both games to the Royals yet Drew defeated Scranton once, then Drew gets the tie-breaker.
After what transpired today, I'd say the upcoming tournament, regardless of order, is wide open without a clear & convincing favorite.
May the best team win...cause we're only getting that one.




Can you remind me of your pre-season expectations for Scranton this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 10:01:38 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
NEPA: As far as Tommy Morgan, all I know is what I heard via the Royals broadcast today. He was still at Geisinger Hospital in Danville for observation & his parents got there late last night from Long Island. According to Dean, and this is not official..."he is probably done for the year". He did not elaborate if that news was an assumption or medical fact. I guess we'll know soon enough.
As far as the Landmark tie breaker system, from what I remember Matt, it starts with the head to head record then goes to the record vs. the team above. In other words, if Catholic & Drew split but Catholic lost both games to the Royals yet Drew defeated Scranton once, then Drew gets the tie-breaker.
After what transpired today, I'd say the upcoming tournament, regardless of order, is wide open without a clear & convincing favorite.
May the best team win...cause we're only getting that one.
Can you remind me of your pre-season expectations for Scranton this year?

'toga will ante up. He admits when he's wrong.


d mac's post is sort of funny. Especially since sports history teaches us that the law of averages eventually rewards the bottom teams.
On the other hand, we've gone from being the future of the league to using "wait 'til next year refrains."  ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2011, 10:27:00 AM
Goucher has flat out under-performed and not played to expectations for a number of years. The biggest problem has to do with the fact talent coming in wasn't as good as expected. I'll be the first to tell you this... and it has been hard to sit there an announce games.

This year's squad hasn't been great record wise, but except for Friday night's performance, I have enjoyed watching them play. They have the ability to do something.

Again, they need a point guard that will be a team leader. Donte Brandon has done this recently, but he is graduating and I wish he could have stepped up earlier in his career (I think everyone thought that would have been his role). They also lose Tim Alexander who showed signs of that leadership on the floor. They need a point who can take over, read a defense well, and even call out plays when needed.

They also need a 4 so Shane Yambor can be a primary 3. Yambor has the touch from inside and can hit from outside when needed. However, there is a lot of pressure on Yambor to perform in a 3 / 4 hybrid role and I don't think it fits him.

Colby G. will be a great 2 considering when he settles into the college game (he was a transfer mid season), he might become one of Goucher's best outside shooting threats in years.

And that leaves Lindsay. I would argue there isn't a coach in the league that isn't worried about him, especially on defense. That being said, he needs to bulk up more and get more physical - or at least be more prepared for physical play - so he can handle posting up a bit better. He can already jump out of the gym and has a smart head on defense... he just needs to become a major threat on offense.

I can't remember the last time I was actually comfortable about this program in future years. Yes, I thought a number of years back they were going to be the future, but players that had potential ended up being duds, in my opinion, and others left or didn't pan out for other reasons. The last time Goucher was a threat in this region was at the beginning of the century.

I really hope that 2011-2012 will reveal a squad that is more mature and possibly a threat in the conference and the region... but that is 8 months away!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2011, 11:20:16 AM
My "pre-season expectations"??? I honestly don't remember.
I think there are only 2 choices every year with the Royals.
One is they finish in the top 4 & make the playoffs but don't win the Landmark tournament and do not get a Pool C bid.
The other is they win the Landmark, get an NCAA bid & lose in the first round rather soundly.
Was it one of those? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Well, we know one thing... it will be one of those! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2011, 11:20:16 AM
My "pre-season expectations"??? I honestly don't remember.
I think there are only 2 choices every year with the Royals.
One is they finish in the top 4 & make the playoffs but don't win the Landmark tournament and do not get a Pool C bid.
The other is they win the Landmark, get an NCAA bid & lose in the first round rather soundly.
Was it one of those? ;)


I recall a bottom of the Landmark finish because they didn't recruit anyone , and the whole team is combo-guards, but I could be misremembering! My point is they are overachieving a bit..


Hopefully Morgan is out of the hospital by now...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
  If Catholic beats Goucher, they'll play the winner of MMA/Drew and Scranton hosts the loser. If Catholic loses, they'll play Drew if Drew wins and @Scranton if MMA wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2011, 05:07:34 PM
NEPA: all kidding aside, you are correct. In a post dated 10/28/10 after the coaches poll came out, I did state that I found it somewhat hard to believe the Royals were ranked as high as 3rd. & Susquehanna as low as 4th.
The coaches got things a little backwards as well with Catholic coming in 1st.& MMA 2nd.
Two surprises besides the Royals ending up first in the regular season with breathing room...1. Susquehanna not making the cut & 2. The emergence of Drew. Obviously the Rutgers transfer has really given their back court some athleticism that has not been seen in that block of Madison in quite some time (if ever) & their up-tempo game, when clicking, will present some problems.
I really thought the Crusaders had some really nice kids coming back that gave them depth & talent at some key positions. Spencer-Spencer, Pannell, Wilson, the senior transfer from Hobart & a really good freshman center plus a group that got minutes last year seemed ready to finally return to the hunt. Oh well, that's why you play the game.
So Far- So Good Award: Scranton. Will they recover from the massacre in Huntingdon? Can they pull 2 more wins out in the Landmark? Can they ever again win an NCAA game? Good questions... but the bottom line, Danzig really has done a nice job of blending 8 guards into a pretty cohesive team.
Not So Good Award: Susquehanna. Too much talent to not even end up where the coaches picked them.
Out of Nowhere Award: Drew. I mean this usual collection of nice kids that let you beat them by 30 at your place & 20 at theirs have left the campus. This group is talented (at times), quick, big when they want to be & play with a little chip on their shoulder & they are well coached. This may be their learning curve year but, I think Drew may no longer accept the given role of dweller of the cellar any longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2011, 05:07:34 PM
So Far- So Good Award: Scranton. Will they recover from the massacre in Huntingdon? Can they pull 2 more wins out in the Landmark? Can they ever again win an NCAA game? Good questions... but the bottom line, Danzig really has done a nice job of blending 8 guards into a pretty cohesive team.

Speaking of NCAA wins, word has it that the sons on Mickey Banas, Irv and Phil Johnson, Paul Meirenicki, Billy Bessoir and Jack Maher are headed to Scranton.
That might get them off the snide. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
Well, saratoga, when you get a kid drop in who should have graduated 2 years ago, and ended up at Drew via Rutgers, Idaho State, and a community college...its amazing what can happen.

This didn't receive a lot of scrutiny on the board this year and I've been meaning to do a post on it--it certainly has changed the complexion of the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
Well, saratoga, when you get a kid drop in who should have graduated 2 years ago, and ended up at Drew via Rutgers, Idaho State, and a community college...its amazing what can happen.
This didn't receive a lot of scrutiny on the board this year and I've been meaning to do a post on it--it certainly has changed the complexion of the league.

You inquired if I was insinutating when you fail to show after Catholic losses.
My question now is, what are you insinuating in regards to the youngster from Drew?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2011, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
Well, saratoga, when you get a kid drop in who should have graduated 2 years ago, and ended up at Drew via Rutgers, Idaho State, and a community college...its amazing what can happen.
This didn't receive a lot of scrutiny on the board this year and I've been meaning to do a post on it--it certainly has changed the complexion of the league.

You inquired if I was insinutating when you fail to show after Catholic losses.
My question now is, what are you insinuating in regards to the youngster from Drew?

Well, since you didn't really answer me that time, I could return the favor. 

But, what I'm insinuating is that it is most unusual in this particular academically focused league to have a player with that basketball background.  I don't know the first thing about his situation with that regard and I hope Drew works out for him, because clearly his other stops have not.  In the CAC, this happened several times, when an ex-division 1 player ended up at a particular school after several other stops, and it did not end well for anybody.  I'm not saying this is going to be the same thing, and I hope it is not.  But I don't think I'm out of bounds to point out that to my knowledge, there are no other players in the league who are as well traveled and who were once considered to be such a good prospect, and clearly still are a very talented player.

I'm leery of "get good fast" schemes--I've just seen it too many times.  I don't know what Drew's admissions standards are for transfers or anything like that, so I don't know if that is what is going on here, but hopefully that is not the case.  Drew is a very good school and he's getting a really good education there. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:02:00 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
That might get them off the snide. ;D

I highly doubt you will ever get off the snide.

The term you are trying to use, however, is to get off the schneid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_baseball_(G)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2011, 05:59:57 AM
Matt or anyone else - let's keep in mind this is Division III... and the Landmark Conference. Students better be of good academic standing for starters (which still shocks many I got into Goucher! :)). Secondly, just because a player skips around the block a few times, doesn't mean he might be a hired gun, lucky break, purposely added player, or anything else with malice intentions to the conference or the team.

Transfers are very common as we all know... Goucher got one that also changed how they played and arguably how the conference finished overall. He certainly didn't move around through schools as he is a freshman.

My point is that criticizing or bringing up the fact an addition of a player is questionable without really knowing what is going is something that actually bothers me. It has happened on several occasions this year in other places and it is something that has become a pet peeve. No school is perfect... no transfer story is the same... and they don't always end up with the same result.

Now that I am off my soap box... I will leave it to everyone to do as you wish.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:02:00 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
That might get them off the snide. ;D
I highly doubt you will ever get off the snide.
The term you are trying to use, however, is to get off the schneid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_baseball_(G)

You are correct. I didn't have my Thesaurus nearby.
Now, instead of copy editing, why not toss your hat in the ring regarding your fellow CU alum's "insinuating" post. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2011, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2011, 05:59:57 AM
Matt or anyone else - let's keep in mind this is Division III... and the Landmark Conference. Students better be of good academic standing for starters (which still shocks many I got into Goucher! :)). Secondly, just because a player skips around the block a few times, doesn't mean he might be a hired gun, lucky break, purposely added player, or anything else with malice intentions to the conference or the team.

Transfers are very common as we all know... Goucher got one that also changed how they played and arguably how the conference finished overall. He certainly didn't move around through schools as he is a freshman.

My point is that criticizing or bringing up the fact an addition of a player is questionable without really knowing what is going is something that actually bothers me. It has happened on several occasions this year in other places and it is something that has become a pet peeve. No school is perfect... no transfer story is the same... and they don't always end up with the same result.

Now that I am off my soap box... I will leave it to everyone to do as you wish.

Well, let be even more clear, even though my posts were sprinkled with the appropriate caveats--I am not criticizing anyone or anything.  I chose my words carefully on purpose--if you wish to read further into them than what I actually wrote, then that is entirely your choice. 

We're talking about the leading scorer of the league, I don't think it is out of bounds to at least point out that the history of that player is unusual for this league.  It doesn't automatically make it bad or good.   People do transfer all the time in Division III, yes--but I do not think I can recall anyone that had so many stops and landed as a junior at a D3 school.   So this is a most unusual circumstance.  As I said, I hope it works out for everyone involved, including the league. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
Matt, why are you even bringing this up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2011, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
Matt, why are you even bringing this up?

Because I was looking at the Landmark conference statistics the other day when Catholic was playing Drew and his numbers popped out at me, and I got curious as to where he came from.  I sometimes look up players backgrounds, but I was pretty surprised when I saw he was a Rutgers recruit, and then I wonder what happened and found the rest.  At the very least, it was interesting. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2011, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
Matt, why are you even bringing this up?

Because I was looking at the Landmark conference statistics the other day when Catholic was playing Drew and his numbers popped out at me, and I got curious as to where he came from.  I sometimes look up players backgrounds, but I was pretty surprised when I saw he was a Rutgers recruit, and then I wonder what happened and found the rest.  At the very least, it was interesting. 

That's not it and you know it. There is much more but you won't spit it out. That's fine. Maybe if this kid should hit the game winner to beat CU in the playoffs, it will make you irate enough to say what all of us know what's on your mind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
Dear heavens, conversations like this make it so hard for me to MMOB, especially since i voweled to not really follow what goes on in  this league, except for who wins at the end of the season.  Stay friends overall, people, remember why you initially banded - You guys truly seem to be "in a league of your own"  - have fun in post season play, i know we will certainly do our best to do so.  Maybe our paths will cross
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:02:00 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
That might get them off the snide. ;D
I highly doubt you will ever get off the snide.
The term you are trying to use, however, is to get off the schneid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_baseball_(G)

You are correct. I didn't have my Thesaurus nearby.
Now, instead of copy editing, why not toss your hat in the ring regarding your fellow CU alum's "insinuating" post. ;D

I don't really have anything to say about it. These kind of transfers happen fairly often and I am glad there are schools willing to give a kid a chance to settle down and hopefully make progress toward a degree.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
Mr. Coleman,


Kate misused a word, please call her out on the message board.


Thanks.



Capers is looking to go to Law School, if he has the grades and can drop 20 a night , more power to him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
Kate misused a word, please call her out on the message board.

Kate isn't/wasn't a "professional" newspaper reporter, to my knowledge. If so, I might.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 02:14:20 PM
Sorry to wreck your cerebral day, NEPAFAN, but that's how riled up i was - VOWED - O.K.?  God bless that young man at Drew - hope he goes very far in this life!  Even in the MAC, Hubby & i always said "Go Drew".   Actually, Pat, hate to admit it, but used to work in the Editorial Dept. of the now gone Mack Printing Co.  :-\  Basketball topics just get me truly wound, usually for the better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2011, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: kate on February 15, 2011, 02:14:20 PM
Sorry to wreck your cerebral day, NEPAFAN, but that's how riled up i was - VOWED - O.K.?  God bless that young man at Drew - hope he goes very far in this life!  Even in the MAC, Hubby & i always said "Go Drew".   Actually, Pat, hate to admit it, but used to work in the Editorial Dept. of the now gone Mack Printing Co.  :-\  Basketball topics just get me truly wound, usually for the better.

Kate , it was a shot at Mr. Coleman not you. Not sure why you have a self-imposed ban on us Landmarkers...


Pat, I get it now thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
If I remember correctly, Susquehanna had a transfer a few years back (Josh Robinson), who played 2 years at D-I Drake Univ. For 2 years (when healthy), he torched the MAC & the Landmark for over 20 ppg. & I never remember him or Susquehanna coming under the scrutiny Capers/Drew are.
I seriously doubt there are any professors on Drew's faculty that would risk their reputation in academia to let a ringer slide...especially in basketball. The equestrian team...maybe. :-\
Perhaps you have a story Matt, but I think not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
Hello, again, NEPAFAN, when leagues are formed for reasons of geography, i get it (might not like it, but understood in this economy), however, just have a problem with whatever "like-minded" is, especially in regard to athletics.  Actually Scranton & Drew are still missed by me, even tho Miseri and Manhattanville are great replacements.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
If I remember correctly, Susquehanna had a transfer a few years back (Josh Robinson), who played 2 years at D-I Drake Univ. For 2 years (when healthy), he torched the MAC & the Landmark for over 20 ppg. & I never remember him or Susquehanna coming under the scrutiny Capers/Drew are.
I seriously doubt there are any professors on Drew's faculty that would risk their reputation in academia to let a ringer slide...especially in basketball. The equestrian team...maybe. :-\
Perhaps you have a story Matt, but I think not.

Again, I didn't say I had a story.  I don't know if there IS a story beyon  his path to Drew is in and of itself an interesting story--not neccessarily a negative one.   I don't have a problem with transfers, including from D1.  From the looks of it, this is certainly not the same thing, but as I said--I hope it works out well for everyone involved.  He's now getting a very good education.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
Kate; you're always welcome here. Topics change like the wind but there is always a discussion about something near & dear to us all.
Getting Matrix updates has to be getting a little boring by now...we know you miss us. We certainly miss our trips to Doylestown & New Hope as well!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2011, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
Mr. Coleman,

Kate misused a word, please call her out on the message board.

Thanks.

Capers is looking to go to Law School, if he has the grades and can drop 20 a night , more power to him.

Know moore reportin, I du etiding now, beleeve it ore knot. Da landdmarkk bored hardlee haz much posturs, wee cant ifford to chayse sum awayy, rite?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
I doubt you or Kate are in any danger of being chased away. I think the last poster we chased away was the dad of a (now-former) SID in the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2011, 04:57:53 PM
kate - per "like-minded"... see Ivy League, Patriot League, WIAC, UAA, etc.... and you will maybe understand what the like-minded is about.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
Dave:

Which like minded instituion are you going to on Saturday? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 08:54:57 PM
Exactly, Dave, and i never have rooted for any of them (except, Lafayette - hometown college), and Lehigh (my brother's a graduate).  I have always liked diversity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 08:57:55 PM
Sorry for the double here, but it's even more creepy when you think that you're all alike  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Kate,


I hear the Landmark is talking to Delaware Valley....... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 16, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
NEPAFAN, i won't let em  >:( ;D - waaaaay too old to be hoofin around all over creation, at night yet.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:29:32 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
Kate: the night is the best time for "hoofin". Easton to D.C. is a piece of cake.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Lost six karma in two days. Do I know the two juvenile-acting culprits?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2011, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Somewhat amazing that Scranton's win at Kean (# 2 in their region) & a win over regionally ranked Cabrini hasn't put the Royals in the mix.
I'm sure if they win on the road today vs. Juniata, coupled with Keystone's horrible loss vs. Marywood, they certainly should be in next Wednesday.
Then again, this is the NCAA we are talking about & putting incorrect spins on their own rules has become a yearly right of passage.

I'm thinking that the NCAA hasn't realized that it's an in-region game and Scranton hasn't gotten credit for it yet; I'll pursue it with the coach. 

  Looks like Scranton got the favorable resolution I was seeking regarding its in-region record. Last week they were listed at 14-4 and 1-1 vs regionally ranked opponents; it should have been 15-4 and 2-1 with the victory over Kean probably missing. After going 1-1 in the interim, today's data has them 16-5 and 2-1, arguably just behind Alvernia in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 01:41:04 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Lost six karma in two days. Do I know the two juvenile-acting culprits?

You can only smite someone once a day, so it would take three people to cost you six points if each did it the maximum once per 24 hours.

Hate to tell you but your posts must be pissing off someone else. I haven't smited you twice in the past two days, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2011, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 16, 2011, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Somewhat amazing that Scranton's win at Kean (# 2 in their region) & a win over regionally ranked Cabrini hasn't put the Royals in the mix.
I'm sure if they win on the road today vs. Juniata, coupled with Keystone's horrible loss vs. Marywood, they certainly should be in next Wednesday.
Then again, this is the NCAA we are talking about & putting incorrect spins on their own rules has become a yearly right of passage.

I'm thinking that the NCAA hasn't realized that it's an in-region game and Scranton hasn't gotten credit for it yet; I'll pursue it with the coach.  

 Looks like Scranton got the favorable resolution I was seeking regarding its in-region record. Last week they were listed at 14-4 and 1-1 vs regionally ranked opponents; it should have been 15-4 and 2-1 with the victory over Kean probably missing. After going 1-1 in the interim, today's data has them 16-5 and 2-1, arguably just behind Alvernia in the regional rankings.


Dumb question, but what is the one out of regional win for Scranton?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 11:40:24 AM
Penn State-Hazelton -- a non-Division III team can never be a regional opponent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 01:41:04 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Lost six karma in two days. Do I know the two juvenile-acting culprits?
You can only smite someone once a day, so it would take three people to cost you six points if each did it the maximum once per 24 hours.

Hate to tell you but your posts must be pissing off someone else. I haven't smited you twice in the past two days, either.

Thanks for the info, Pat.
Only a handful of regulars are on here and I talked to a couple (NEPA, Matt L. and Saratoga have already been cleared).
That leaves three suspects remaining. It doesn't get any easier,  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 12:43:40 PM
Well, in case it wasn't clear, yes, I smited you. Hope that helps.

By the way, people who complain about karma often invite more negative karma. There are plenty of people who read all the boards but don't post, and plenty of them have more than 200 posts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2011, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 12:43:40 PM
Well, in case it wasn't clear, yes, I smited you. Hope that helps.

By the way, people who complain about karma often invite more negative karma. There are plenty of people who read all the boards but don't post, and plenty of them have more than 200 posts.

So, as a person from the copy edit desk said, "This is the Great Karma Caper."
We're actually having fun with this.
First you said you haven't in the past couple days (when I've been losing it), so I'm taking it that you have in the past. That's cool.
Remember I had a few detractors from the Freedom board for a number of years?
Plus, the guy who follows one of the Landmark teams of the future should "fess up."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
I said I hadn't smited you twice in the past two days, but indeed I had once.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
When did this turn into Romper Room?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 23, 2007, 06:46:37 AM
Quote from: Coach K on February 23, 2007, 05:40:45 AM
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Why don't you ask that in the MAC rooms... not the Landmark!

Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?

Perhaps with this post. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
A rematch of last year's finals and Asmar and company come to DC to personally stick it to Matt. Not a bad couple of semifinal games this year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2011, 11:31:31 AM
Uh, no.  Asmar's staying at home since his team is the #2 seed.

And if he needs me for motivation than maybe I WAS onto something! 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2011, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2011, 11:31:31 AM
Uh, no.  Asmar's staying at home since his team is the #2 seed.

And if he needs me for motivation than maybe I WAS onto something! 

So if he has a huge game then something is up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2011, 01:07:30 PM
My apologies. What was the tie breaker between Drew and CUA?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 21, 2011, 02:16:14 PM
NEPAFAN i think it was because drew beat Scranton and Catholic did not.That is my theory
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2011, 02:16:48 PM
Looks like it comes down to someone did defeat the Royals this year & someone else did not.
Will the great Capers caper end or continue on for at least one more game?
Drilling a three at the buzzer in Madison...poetic justice may have just got one step closer to reality.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
 Yes, tiebreaker is head-to-head then record vs each team from top down; Drew 1-1 vs Scranton, Catholic 0-2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2011, 10:30:18 PM
You guys crack me up--you would think I insulted his mother or something.  Get a grip.  "Poetic justice."  Ha...right.

At least you all finally started posting again.  Man, this board is dead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2011, 12:00:08 PM
"This board is dead"? Seems about the same to me.
I've never seen a post from Drew, MMA or Moravian...ever. Occasionally, Mr. Cannon will represent Juniata & The Grove will give us the view from Selingsgrove. There was a poster last year from Goucher who was not a fan of Trevino & D-Mac will step in from time to time but beyond that... it pretty much comes down to Scranton & Catholic fans.
Just a hunch guys & no statistical analysis involved but, I think if you took a look at other boards in this area you'll probably find the same. Several schools very connected, a few somewhat associated & many schools representation barely out there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2011, 12:03:28 PM
saratoga - I am always here... just don't feel I need to chat that often, especially when it comes to Goucher. As for the Gopher fan last year... he is around... I just know he doesn't post that often anymore... not sure his reasons.

However, the boards as a whole need to be promoted more and (Pat doesn't know this) I am planning to try and drive that next year in some of the audio production we do. However, if others like posters and schools promoted the fact people could talk about their teams, conference, region like this... it might drive fans who don't know... and get it back to the way it used to be in the past.

For example, the CAC board is completely dead this year... yet there is tons to talk about... students and fans just don't know I think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2011, 12:21:50 PM
This just in...Zach Ashworth of Scranton has just been named to the First Team for Academic All-Americans. A great honor for one great player.
Here's hoping Randy Arnold's dad has another recruit for the Royals that's half as good as Zach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2011, 12:59:24 PM
At least, 4/5 as good as Zac. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2011, 08:10:15 PM
Have you checked the CB West roster/pipeline lately?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2011, 02:44:46 PM
I'm like D-Mac... here, reading, not much to post. Marcinek won't feed me anything.  ;D

Hey, anyone tweeting about this site? mentioning it on Facebook? I did see a post from D3Hoops the other day, I believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 02:55:43 PM
I did mention the boards on Facebook the other day, indeed. We could certainly do a better job pushing people in this direction, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 23, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
hahaha, hey Merchant Marines! just like last year YOU LOSE!!! YOU LOSE!!!   YOU LOSE!!!!!

i'm a centennial fan but Scranton has had a great run this year.  interesting to see where the Landmarkwinner ends up in the NCAAs
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
Pat,
  Scranton's broadcaster is going to travel with the women Saturday, leaving the men's game with Catholic without an audio stream. Since you're a CU alumnus, could you send Dmac up to do the game on D3hoops?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 10:50:12 PM
I would say the Landmark is on a list of possible conference title games we could cover. We would want to do video rather than audio, of course.

We'll continue to assess games tomorrow and see where we can end up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2011, 10:58:12 PM
  Fair enough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2011, 03:38:42 AM
Considering that live stats quit working with 5:41 left in the 2nd, at least for me, I really hope that this game gets covered.

What's up with Scranton not having video?  Overall, the radio broadcasts are okay, but someone should tell the color guy that you do NOT have to foul if you are down 2 with 1:15 left to play.  Not only did he keep saying MMA needed to follow, he was then surprised when they didn't.  Bizarre.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2011, 05:59:29 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
Pat,
  Scranton's broadcaster is going to travel with the women Saturday, leaving the men's game with Catholic without an audio stream. Since you're a CU alumnus, could you send Dmac up to do the game on D3hoops?
Of course... we could also just ask dmac if he is going... I am sure he can make up his own mind, as well! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2011, 08:20:07 AM
I am not going to rip a guy who volunteers his own time to do color on games. As mentioned previously I think both guys do a great job and prefer them over some of the low quality video we see for other teams.   As you mentioned Matt, my bigger concern is the Live Stats freezing with 6 minutes left.  Congrats on the. Victory at Drew, I'll post some thoughts on the Scranton- MMA game a bit later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2011, 03:38:42 AM
Considering that live stats quit working with 5:41 left in the 2nd, at least for me, I really hope that this game gets covered.

What's up with Scranton not having video?  Overall, the radio broadcasts are okay, but someone should tell the color guy that you do NOT have to foul if you are down 2 with 1:15 left to play.  Not only did he keep saying MMA needed to follow, he was then surprised when they didn't.  Bizarre.

Matt,
I don't remember it that way; whatever he said, I agreed with it at the time and circumstance and it would have griped me also if it had been as u described.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2011, 12:03:40 PM
That's what he said, ronk.  My wife and I were both listening to it and she was actually the one who said to me "why would he think they should foul?"  Not a big deal, but...  And I didn't know it was a volunteer thing.  I probably would not have said something.  The reason I thought it wasn't is that unlike the other schools, it appears to be something of a commercial enterprise, with actual commercials and the link during game broadcasts. 

Overall, the audio quality is very good.  Obviously its a home team broadcast so you would expect them to be homers and they are, but not at the expense of calling the action and point out Scranton's mistakes.

But....it would be even better if Scranton had video to go along with that play by play.  I wish I could go up there...I've never been...but a 4+ hour drive with two little kids is probably not in the cards.  (Cards--no pun intended.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 24, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Matt i also ask myself that question why they do not have live video!I think they have communication at Scranton also so that would help and one other thing if you were never at the Long Center you are missing a great gym!We are talking about the house Bess built that court should be named after him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
When do we think a decision on a broadcast will be made?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2011, 10:55:44 PM
Dmac said on Hoopsville tonite that it was still being worked on between CAC and Landmark finals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2011, 05:36:09 AM
The broadcast decision I have is Landmark or CAC... and it will be made early this afternoon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 03:13:29 PM
We tried to do the Landmark game -- in fact, we decided to do the Landmark game only to run into roadblocks both in athletics and IT. So we will be doing the CAC game instead.

Sorry, guys -- we tried.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Pat, thanks for the effort. Did the powers to be at Scranton screw this up too?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
There were a lot of factors. We needed 24 hours to get all our ducks in a row, including bringing in PrestoSports, which was going to do a live stats/live video combination at whichever of the two sites we chose. Guess Scranton couldn't deal with that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2011, 04:03:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
There were a lot of factors. We needed 24 hours to get all our ducks in a row, including bringing in PrestoSports, which was going to do a live stats/live video combination at whichever of the two sites we chose. Guess Scranton couldn't deal with that.

Pat,

Can you get into details? Please see my PM.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 04:47:44 PM
  They've had IT-related problems with their live stats all along, so I'm not surprised. Thanks for the effort. The archbishop is going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 05:09:21 PM
  Royal followers may be hoping for Gwynedd-Mercy over Cabrini in CSAC final tonite since Scranton is head-to-head winner over Cabrini in a Pool C consideration and should have been ahead of them in regional rankings all along, save for faulty NCAA data on Scranton's record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2011, 08:26:37 PM
Way to go Scranton! 

New proposed rule: you can't host the conference championship game unless you can at least pretend to be in the 21st century for a day. 

Thanks Pat and D-Mac for making the effort--there will be a lot of disappointed CUA fans as well. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 25, 2011, 09:51:04 PM
Ronk i just do not understand why you would want a team that is 17-10 beating a team that is 22-5?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
According to the media notes Scranton will have radio broadcast with Jack Burns calling the action.


Augie when are they naming the court after Bess?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
Augie,
Gwynedd-Mercy was 19-4(not 17-10) and 1 spot behind Cabrini in the regional rankings and Scranton has the head-to-head matchups over Cabrini, not GM.
Nepa,
  Good to hear we'll have audio; if u want to cheat, usually the livestats are ahead of the audio timewise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2011, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
According to the media notes Scranton will have radio broadcast with Jack Burns calling the action.


Jack Burns?? Our Jack Burns???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
Somehow I completely missed the fact that Landmark announced its season award winners.  You all know my position on POY--but congratulations to Zach Ashworth who is certainly also a worthy winner.  Both Ashworth and Jason Banzhaf had outstanding careers.  I'm disappointed for Jason that he didn't win, but I'm sure a win tomorrow would more than make up for it.

On COY--given what he had to work with, how did Danzig not win this award?  I know people assume Scranton is going to be good, and maybe discount the job that the coach does (this happened to Catholic during the Lonergan years--I'm not even sure he won conference COY the year he won national coach of the year), but--given the mileage Danzig got out of that roster, I just assumed he would win.  I'm not exactly in the tank for Scranton, but, fair is fair.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2011, 12:31:58 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 25, 2011, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
According to the media notes Scranton will have radio broadcast with Jack Burns calling the action.


Jack Burns?? Our Jack Burns???

Yes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 26, 2011, 12:47:20 AM
My bad ronk i was looking at the women. Now i see where you were coming from.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 26, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Lets just hope the Royals win both men and women!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2011, 07:25:41 PM
Love when the stream doesn't work
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2011, 07:48:27 PM
Here we go again...Free Throw Attempts 8-0 Scranton at halftime.  

Eh, it evened out in the second half.  Somehow what always seems to beat us is rebounding.  I don't understand it, we outrebound everybody else in the league.  Well, congrats Royals on another championship.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2011, 08:04:03 PM
Well since I am out on the audio , I think Live Stats is going to freeze on me, so updates on the board are always apprecaited.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
Mine went on and off...

Catholic is going to finish this season 19-5 against teams not named Scranton.   Scranton finishes 17-5 against teams other than Catholic.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
Mine went on and off...

Catholic is going to finish this season 19-4 against teams not named Scranton.   Scranton finishes 16-5 against teams other than Catholic.  

Not going to, did.
Ashworth drops 31 on the Cardinals.
Anyway Scranton could trade for announcer Jack Burns? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2011, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
Mine went on and off...

Catholic is going to finish this season 19-4 against teams not named Scranton.   Scranton finishes 16-5 against teams other than Catholic.  

Not going to, did.
Ashworth drops 33 on the Cardinals.
Anyway Scranton could trade for announcer Jack Burns? ;D



I don't know I can't tell since my audio is out. Pretty dissapointing (though not as dissapointing as a loss would have been) since a few days I thought we could have live video of the game. Congrats to Coach Danzig , Zach , Andrew Wynne and Luke Hawk....4 years, 3 conference titles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 27, 2011, 02:03:53 AM
Scranton got a lot of help in the first half!  Scranton, a three point shooting team, goes to the line 8 times in the first half.  Catholic, a team that gets the ball in the paint, goes to the line 0 times in the first half.  A little home cookin'?  Catholic was playing well in the first half and deserved better.  I think if that game is called evenly during the first half, Catholic is up by 10 or more at  halftime!!  It's a given that you're going to take it up the a$$ in scranton, however I thought they might get a fair shake in a confereence championship game.  One foul called on Scranton during the first 17 minutes of the game, while scranton is in the bonus!  You won't get that kind of officiating in the tournament!!!  Catholic deserved much better in this game.  Unbelievable!!! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2011, 07:54:03 AM
And what about the 1st 17 minutes of the 2nd half?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
The three officials that called the game weren't local. I never heard of them before.
Scranton did hold an 8-0 FT edge in the first half but led by just one at the break.
Catholic was outshooting them from the line a majority of the second half, yet Scranton found a way to open up a sizeable lead until the final five minutes when the Cardinals were forced to foul.
Bottom line: Scranton found ways to gain a big lead despite Catholic making more trips to the line during the first 15 minutes of the second half. Catholic didn't do that in the opening session.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 27, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
You guys missed my point.  The officials kept Scranton in the game during the first half.  Instead of Catholic possibly carrying a 10 or more point lead into halftime, Scranton drains a three at the buzzer to lead by one.  They leave the court with momentem.  Catholic doesn't get what they earned on the court during the first half.  Roell drains two threes early. Next thing you know, he's on the bench with two fouls.  Can you imagine the outrage if Ashworth picked up two fouls in the first 5 minutes of any game, not to mention a championship game?  Can you imagine the outrage by SU supporters if Catholic played this game at home and was in the bonus, with only one foul called on them in 17 minutes?  The officials sent a message to Catholic early about how this game was going to go.  Do you think that the Catholic players felt that they were getting a fair shake?  That kind of officiating changes the way the game is played.  What happened in the second half has no barring on my point.  Additionally, it was easy to give some calls to Catholic in the second half because Scranton was able to build a six to ten point lead right out of the second half gates.  BTW, doesn't matter if the officials are local or not!  They took Catholic out of the game early!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
Mine went on and off...

Catholic is going to finish this season 19-4 against teams not named Scranton.   Scranton finishes 16-5 against teams other than Catholic.  

Not going to, did.
Ashworth drops 31 on the Cardinals.
Anyway Scranton could trade for announcer Jack Burns? ;D

Susquehanna Hall of Famer Jack Burns? No way.  ;D
But it's nice to see him get some love from others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2011, 02:03:09 PM
So no credit to Scranton who beat the Cardinals but 10+ points three times this season? I can't comment on the calls, because I obviously didn't see them. But it comes off as sour grapes.


You are comparing Roell to 2 time player of the year, Ashworth? Really?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2011, 02:18:54 PM
I didn't either, so I can't comment.  I wish I could have seen it via live video, though, since obviously Scranton is really something special.   To go an entire half without commiting a single shooting foul is really something.  Especially against a team that makes a point of pounding it inside as their strategy.  Banzhaf had 9 attempts in the first half, Kearney had 4, and I don't have to see the game to know that most of those were inside.  Yet they didn't get fouled, not once!

Maybe we can fly Danzig and the boys up to Boston to tutor my Celtics on that.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2011, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 27, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
You guys missed my point.  The officials kept Scranton in the game during the first Catholic doesn't get what they earned on the court during the first half.  Roell drains two threes early. Next thing you know, he's on the bench with two fouls.  Can you imagine the outrage if Ashworth picked up two fouls in the first 5 minutes of any game, not to mention a championship game? 

So, you're comparing Roell to Ashworth?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 09:19:16 AM
D3hoops has Scranton hosting, but playing Amherst (22-3 or thereabouts) in the first round.

2,000 in the house on Saturday night for the Landmark Final, by the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2011, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 09:19:16 AM
D3hoops has Scranton hosting, but playing Amherst (22-3 or thereabouts) in the first round.

2,000 in the house on Saturday night for the Landmark Final, by the way.

Which is about 2,000 short of what they drew in their hey dey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2011, 10:00:54 AM
Still pretty good. 

I know CUA had at least one busload of students--hopefully they made a little noise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Yo Matt, what do you think of my new look? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 11:39:56 AM
First things first...congrats to the Royals on another very nice season. Certainly exceeded my expectations given the well documented fact they are essentially a total guard orientated team with minimal height, team speed or depth. Coach Danzig certainly has pushed this team to go about as far as the talent level can take them. Zach certainly deserved the award as he's put this team on his back for quite some time. One really classy move by him was during the tee-shirt handout by the Landmark representitives, he walked his over to Randy Arnold's dad & gave it to him.
As far as the foul situation...totally a non-issue. Yes, Catholic did have quite a few early ones but the bottom line was it was a 1 point Scranton lead until Farrell drains a 3 at the 1st. half buzzer. Catholic kept themselves out of the game by horrible shooting & never really getting their big guys into the flow.
The second half starts & now Scranton gets 6 quick fouls on them including Hawk's 3rd. At the end of the game Catholic had 5 more fouls & at least 3 came in the last 2 minutes when they had to foul to try & get the ball back.
The crowd. Certainly the largest since 8 years ago when that Royals team made it to the Sweet 16. The student section was packed, loud & into the game from start to finish. It was so nice to see the Long Center rocking again...just hope we don't get another 8 year hiatus between near sellouts. Hopefully, many of the first time attendee's, especially those that are students, liked & enjoyed what they saw & will want to return again & again. The atmosphere was electric as soon as you walked in & I'm thrilled this group of kids finally got to play in front of that type of crowd.
Not sure who'll we'll get or where it will be...still kind of enjoying this last one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
I find it hard to believe that Scranton ends up losing a host site to Cabrini. That makes no sense at all. They played head to head & Scranton won. The facilities at Scranton not to mention the seating capacity are far greater, hotel accomodations...a new Hilton & the Raddison within walking distance.
Then they send Hartwick with 10 losses to Cabrini (4+ hours away) when they are only a few hours from Williams & Scranton heads into the Williams bracket.
If I'm Coach Danzig, I'd like a serious explanation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
The answer you are going to get is that 1 head to head game means nothing and that it is the team's body of work.  But I am curious as to why Cabrini is ranked so high. Who have they beaten outside of their conference? A conference by the way that includes two bibles schools and Rosemont.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:26:40 PM
nepafan, i'm an F&M guy (grew up in scranton) and those teams are in the same boat.  Scranton deserved more respect than be thrown in the NESCAC gauntlet and so did F&M, which has to run thru a pair of methodist schools to even face amherst/wiliams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
oh Saratoga, i couldnt agree more.  Scranton should be hosting over cabrini.  and more importantly both scranton and F&M should be taking GMC's spot in that joke of a pod. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 02:34:43 PM
REGIONAL RANKINGS... you can not complain that Scranton should be hosting when last week they were NOT in the regional rankings... and in the final rankings they sit 9th.

By the numbers:
Team               In-Region            OWP             OOWP            SOS         Reg. Ranked
Scranton        19-5 (.792)           .452               .450              .451           2-1 (.667)
Cabrini           22-5 (.815)           .510               .493              .504           5-0 (1.000)
F&M               20-5 (.800)            .468              .452              .463            0-2 (.000)

Tell me again why Scranton or F&M should be hosting and Cabrini shouldn't?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
Dave, 4 of those 5 cabrini wins were against teams in their own conference.  All 3 teams lost 5 games.  All 3 won both their regular season and conference championships.  Yet one hosts a joke of a pod while the other two are thrown into difficult spots. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
We know that the Scranton women have been given a pool C berth and the hosting selection; that can be the only reason the men aren't hosting. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Dave: Cabrini's "high" ranking in the Regionals has been a topic of conversation since they first landed there. If you are going to use that argument, that somehow Regional Rankings are the precursor to overall better teams...then where the hell is Kean right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
oh Saratoga, i couldnt agree more.  Scranton should be hosting over cabrini.  and more importantly both scranton and F&M should be taking GMC's spot in that joke of a pod. 

Lusty, no offense, but an F&M guy should be the last to complain about host sites, honestly.

Saratoga, you've been around since the mid-1970's so you should know better regarding the political end of this annual selection farce. The only alarming trend is that it's consistent now more than ever.
It's always someone on the regional committee that either has their school involved in the tourney or has ties to a certain school or conference.
It is bush league but there is nothing anyone can do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2011, 03:03:04 PM
Saratoga, Lusty, ronk. Don't even waste your time with this guy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Dave: Cabrini's "high" ranking in the Regionals has been a topic of conversation since they first landed there. If you are going to use that argument, that somehow Regional Rankings are the precursor to overall better teams...then where the hell is Kean right now?

Didn't last year show anything? Cabrini was 22-4 and lost by 30 to the number 16 team in the nation. I am not saying that Scranton is going to the Sweet Sixteen, but I think the CSAC is over inflated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
cold case, i understand your sentiment, and i'm assuming you are referring to two years ago.  Remember though, in that bracket every big team was upset.  Widener and ithaca both lost in opening rounds (along with other teams).  Based on geography, gym factors, etc, F&M was the only choice for the sectionals that year.  Were we given a gift in the first round? of course, but everything after that in 09 fell into place. And for the record, most f&M fans still feel jobbed about traveling first to Merchant Marine and second St. Mary's in 2010.

that said, i'm hoping scranton hosts f&M on 3/11!!!

also i schooled d-mac on the centennial board, and i agree he's not really worth wasting time over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2011, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
cold case, i understand your sentiment, and i'm assuming you are referring to two years ago.  Remember though, in that bracket every big team was upset.  Widener and ithaca both lost in opening rounds (along with other teams).  Based on geography, gym factors, etc, F&M was the only choice for the sectionals that year.  Were we given a gift in the first round? of course, but everything after that in 09 fell into place. And for the record, most f&M fans still feel jobbed about traveling first to Merchant Marine and second St. Mary's in 2010.

that said, i'm hoping scranton hosts f&M on 3/11!!!

also i schooled d-mac on the centennial board, and i agree he's not really worth wasting time over.

You are down to -16 ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 03:40:49 PM
Lusty - read the Centennial board again - I don't think your "facts" stood up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2011, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 03:40:49 PM
Lusty - read the Centennial board again - I don't think your "facts" stood up.

You seemed to be arguing a different point than he was.  You stated that F&M shouldn't be hosting, and he agreed with you.  His argument was that F&M deserved GMC's spot.  I have no idea if that's true or not--did I see that GMC finished higher in the regional rankings?--but it isn't the same thing as saying F&M should be hosting.

And obviously Scranton shouldn't be, though out of curiosity, what is Kean's OWP, OOWP and SOS?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
We know that the Scranton women have been given a pool C berth and the hosting selection; that can be the only reason the men aren't hosting. :)

Yes, but certainly they were regionally ranked when they got to host. Scranton hasn't even been in the regional rankings once.

The only reason I even projected them to host a pod last night is they were in a bracket with two teams that could not host, Rochester and Amherst. Scranton was my third choice to host that group. The other two were hosting women's pods.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
I don't think Scranton deserved to host. But I think we can all agree that Cabrini and Gwynned Mercy are overrated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 04:06:23 PM
 It's my contention that the inaccurate NCAA in region record is what kept them out of the ratings from the 1st week. But I'll save NCAA changes for next year for later in the week after we discuss the ins and outs and wheres of today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2011, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 03:40:49 PM
Lusty - read the Centennial board again - I don't think your "facts" stood up.

You seemed to be arguing a different point than he was.  You stated that F&M shouldn't be hosting, and he agreed with you.  His argument was that F&M deserved GMC's spot.  I have no idea if that's true or not--did I see that GMC finished higher in the regional rankings?--but it isn't the same thing as saying F&M should be hosting.

And obviously Scranton shouldn't be, though out of curiosity, what is Kean's OWP, OOWP and SOS?

youre right matt, gmc was 4 in region, fandm 5, but with fandm winning both the reg season and conf tourney (along with scranton) i think either deserve the better spot than GMC in what is honestly a tossup pod
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
Perhaps Dave or anyone from the selection committee can answer this...why would Hartwick, with 10 losses & only a 1 hour drive up Rt. 88 to Albany & on to the NY Thruway & perhaps another 45 minutes over to Williamstown be sent to Cabrini and the Royals, who always bring a great alumni following...especially from the Philly area, be sent out to Williams?
Essentially, what sent Scranton & F&M packing while these CSAC schools either host or play pretty close to home? Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 05:39:38 PM
Yes, the 7 1/2 hour trip for me is too much. would have gone to Cabrini, Ramapo or St. Mary's. Hope it's videocast.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
I don't think Scranton deserved to host. But I think we can all agree that Cabrini and Gwynned Mercy are overrated.

Not by the NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 02:34:43 PM
REGIONAL RANKINGS... you can not complain that Scranton should be hosting when last week they were NOT in the regional rankings... and in the final rankings they sit 9th.

By the numbers:
Team               In-Region            OWP             OOWP            SOS         Reg. Ranked
Scranton        19-5 (.792)           .452               .450              .451           2-1 (.667)
Cabrini           22-5 (.815)           .510               .493              .504           5-0 (1.000)
F&M               20-5 (.800)            .468              .452              .463            0-2 (.000)

Tell me again why Scranton or F&M should be hosting and Cabrini shouldn't?!
Again... Scranton and F&M don't have the numbers to host... Scranton is #9 in the final Regional Rankings... F&M is 5... Cabrini is 3rd.

And the NCAA committees have been trying hard to use the 500 mile rules and whatever flights are allowed to get creative on these brackets to give them more of a national feel and diversify the teams in different pods. Scranton has a chance to play different teams to prove they deserve to keep playing in the tournament. When you are that low on the rankings - you are going to be shipped to a different part of the country in this new-style of creating more balanced brackets.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 06:33:42 PM
in all these cases, its a matter of respect.  You have cabrini, scranton and fandm.  All 3 mid atlantic teams.  all 3 teams won their conference regular season titles and tournament titles.  the only one of the 3 teams that beat a regionally ranked out of conference team is Scranton, who did it twice.  However, Cabrini gets a plush two games at home that they should win, while Scranton and F&M are shipped hundreds of miles away to be fed to the proverbial wolves (especiially in scranton's case).

just at a quick glance, its the ramapo pod thats got me the most frustrated.  J&W should be in Williamstown and GM should be hiking down to the beach. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
God forbid we have a more national tournament instead of stuck in regional tournaments leading to a very unbalanced tournament and Final Four... and "respect" is not one of the criteria (tongue-in-cheek). The OWP, OOWP, and SOS numbers say a lot about teams and their records. Not only did Cabrini finished with a better in-region winning percentage... they did it with a stronger OWP, OOWP, and SOS to boot. Scranton and F&M both had all of their numbers below .500.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
  In response to a suggestion(probably Saratoga's) on hoopsville that Hartwick would have been a better choice for Williams' regional  than Scranton, Pat Coleman said that he'd rather play Scranton's opponent, Becker, than Hartwick's(Purchase) in the 1st round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 07:34:28 PM
A true national tournament would mix match west and east, which this does not.  as it stands, you have one bracket of 4 West (meaning west of ohio) pods.  one bracket with 4 distinct pods (a west, two midwest/south, and a mid atlantic), then you have a mixmash of northeast, mid atlantic, south teams in various pods.  The way you make it a national tournament is to regionalize the pods, then mix and match pods for the regional semis/finals.  The reason being to enhance fan involvement early and have it build for the second weekend.

There is a great discrepancy in what cabrini got and what scranton/fandm got, which is our point.  A greater discrepancy than those numbers you posted, especially since we're dealing with the small sample size of a 25 game season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
I don't think Scranton deserved to host. But I think we can all agree that Cabrini and Gwynned Mercy are overrated.

Not by the NCAA.

Actually yes that is exactly what I am proposing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 07:44:56 PM
I actually don't think a 25-game sample size is small. That's pretty fair.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
My issue isn't so much about Scranton not having a host site as it is where the hell teams not hosting have been placed.
Forget national diversity for the moment because that becomes pretty subjective & real fast.
Would it not have made more sense not only for the teams playing but the fans following the schools to have Scranton at Cabrini & F&M at Ramapo or even the other way around?
Scranton & F&M fans follow their teams & would have really helped the gate at either of these host sites. However, instead of that you now bring down Hartwick & their 6 fans & GM heads to Jersey based upon what?
As far as your comment Dave that Scranton has a chance to "prove" they belong...perhaps I'm missing something but I thought when you win your league's automatic qualifier that would take care of that concern by the powers that be.
Bottom line, a team with 10 losses less than 2 hours from one of the top teams in the country should have their butts sent in that direction. Beyond that, F&M deserves to be playing closer to home & GM should be booking a tour of Colonial Williamsburg.
I really could care less what first round match ups look like on paper, the NCAA should also try & consider if it makes any sense to be sending teams 4 & 5 hours away when there are excellent fits within a few hours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 07:49:01 PM

Forget national diversity for the moment because that becomes pretty subjective & real fast.

Except no, this is the goal, so you can't just throw it out.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
pat, its a moot point.  "national diversity" is not something the committe really took into account.  F&M isnt playing in Wisconsin.  Scranton isnt going to Texas.  Saratoga makes a lot of great points and is 100% right.  In lancaster over the weekend, F&M fans were ready to go to Jersey, southern maryland or even long island again, but virginia beach is asking too much for a team that actually won something.

and my point about sample size is this, if you play one or two games against crummy teams, thats going to skew the numbers.  F&M mightve had a weak SOS #, but that doesnt mean they didnt "play" anyone.  And its crazier for Scranton which actually has those regionally ranked wins
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
National Diversity makes sense since it is a national championship tournament.  The exposure to teams from different regions is a major variable not to be taken lightly.  I see where some folks disagree with the "on paper" selections, Cabrini got fed to the wolves last year, and RMC never gets to play at home in the tourney if you look at the neutral sites and road games they play.  

Many times a final four team hardly gets to be at home......LOL....Only my opinion but I like the fact that you do not get stuck playing in the region in the first round it makes for more interesting "nationalized" selections creating more of a credible,  balanced championship, not so lopsided as the conferences tend to be like the level of play in the ODAC vs CSAC if a team can win and overcome they deserve to be there, but why complain its all about fun ! !   Be happy you are in the dance, never know where you could end up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
Wolfpack: Easy to be full of glee when you had to go all the way to Reading for a spanking last year that put the CSAC in a proper light as to their alleged strength. What now, you & bro Gynnedd get home cooking in a small gym & short trip to Ramapo, drinks all the way around I guess. See how you feel the next time if you end up with a 1st round matchup in the gym of Wisc. Whatever, then we can talk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
Wolfpack: Easy to be full of glee when you had to go all the way to Reading for a spanking last year that put the CSAC in a proper light as to their alleged strength. What now, you & bro Gynnedd get home cooking in a small gym & short trip to Ramapo, drinks all the way around I guess. See how you feel the next time if you end up with a 1st round matchup in the gym of Wisc. Whatever, then we can talk.

Wisc. is more than 500 miles for us we could not end up there D. B.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
As far as your comment Dave that Scranton has a chance to "prove" they belong...perhaps I'm missing something but I thought when you win your league's automatic qualifier that would take care of that concern by the powers that be.
Bottom line, a team with 10 losses less than 2 hours from one of the top teams in the country should have their butts sent in that direction. Beyond that, F&M deserves to be playing closer to home & GM should be booking a tour of Colonial Williamsburg.
I really could care less what first round match ups look like on paper, the NCAA should also try & consider if it makes any sense to be sending teams 4 & 5 hours away when there are excellent fits within a few hours.
Um... so a team that makes an improbable run in a conference tournament (see John Jay two years ago) and enters say just above .500 has proven through the year they deserve to be in the tournament? Not close. You won your conference to make sure there were no questions about whether you were in the tournament or not. Think about this... Scranton would NOT be in this tournament had they lost to CUA. F&M could very well not be in this tournament had they not won the CC tournament. So why in the world do you deserve to host only because you won your conference tournament to get in?

And the same people complaining about not having their teams two-hours from them are the same ones that then complain that the teams they have to face are too tough and the national committee didn't do a good enough job breaking up conference opponents and being creative with the bracket.

saratoga - you have been around D3 long enough to see how these tournaments have improved from what used to be a joke of a bracket to at least something that respects the entire season by teams and giving fans and other teams chances to see other schools and teams. Take the attitude of Del Valley who are thrilled to be in the tournament and could care less where they play - even excited to play somewhere not close to them so they can see these other opponents and places they normally don't see. They are embarrassing the tournament - you guys are not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 02:34:43 PM
REGIONAL RANKINGS... you can not complain that Scranton should be hosting when last week they were NOT in the regional rankings... and in the final rankings they sit 9th.

By the numbers:
Team               In-Region            OWP             OOWP            SOS         Reg. Ranked
Scranton        19-5 (.792)           .452               .450              .451           2-1 (.667)
Cabrini           22-5 (.815)           .510               .493              .504           5-0 (1.000)
F&M               20-5 (.800)            .468              .452              .463            0-2 (.000)

Tell me again why Scranton or F&M should be hosting and Cabrini shouldn't?!
Again... Scranton and F&M don't have the numbers to host... Scranton is #9 in the final Regional Rankings... F&M is 5... Cabrini is 3rd.

And the NCAA committees have been trying hard to use the 500 mile rules and whatever flights are allowed to get creative on these brackets to give them more of a national feel and diversify the teams in different pods. Scranton has a chance to play different teams to prove they deserve to keep playing in the tournament. When you are that low on the rankings - you are going to be shipped to a different part of the country in this new-style of creating more balanced brackets.

This is why Cabrini is hosting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
Got to love being smited because I won't drink the cool-aid! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 28, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
Dave i think they have some great points!Just think it could be worse if you are on the womens side Rochester hosting for the fourth year in a row is that because the coach has some insight.just wondering
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
Rochester is hosting on the women's side because they earned it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 09:35:34 PM
Take the attitude of Del Valley who are thrilled to be in the tournament and could care less where they play - even excited to play somewhere not close to them so they can see these other opponents and places they normally don't see.

Dmac,
Let's ask them how they feel after they been stuck in that hour long traffic backup at the Hampton Roads Bridge-tunnel on Friday afternoon. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 09:44:43 PM
Wolfy, my point is there no nationalization going on in these brackets.  the west is together, the midwest is together in two pods with a west and a mid atl thrown in, then theres a hodge podge.  the 500 mile rule is a guideline to protect the best teams, like 2 years ago when Gettysburg was sent out to central ohio to at least break a weak Mid atl region down somewhat.  It should not be meant to expand first round pods diluting fan involvement. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 28, 2011, 09:49:51 PM
Dave- Williams women had a better SOS then Rochester and this is the odd years where the women host how come they are not hosting if it goes by SOS Williams women 638 Rochester 544.So then that would put Williams men on the road right.Just a point of thought
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
Dave.  A team with seniors that wins 7 tournament games in two years isnt just "happy" to be in the tourney.  A team like Scranton with their history isnt just "happy" to be in the tourney.  Simply, you want the draw you earn.  

i dont want to talk much about F&M here, but the reason they would host is because, Dave, your site has had F&M in the top 20 for much of the year.  Has cabrini even received votes?  if this was a true "national tournament" you should be championing F&M's cause since they might be in the top 1/4 of teams in the tourney.  as for scranton vs cabrini, i'll let head to head settle that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
D-mac,
Not to be a smart azz.  But did you mean "embrace" the tournament?  Just asking. ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
Got to love being smited because I won't drink the cool-aid! :)

As an impartial observer, I think you might be getting smited because you keep arguing this hosting strawman.  Nobody but you is talking about anything other than the draw, my friend!

I'm not sure who is right, personally...I will say that based purely on logic..which admittedly this process is not..it does not seem to make much sense to travel F&M into that particular bracket.  Scranton's situation seems less egregious.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
Dave.  A team with seniors that wins 7 tournament games in two years isnt just "happy" to be in the tourney.  A team like Scranton with their history isnt just "happy" to be in the tourney.  Simply, you want the draw you earn.  

You got the draw you earned, I'm sorry. It might have been enough to hunker down in your own gym in the '80s and '90s but it's not anymore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 11:29:30 PM
pat, what are you talking about?  by saying "you" earned you are equating fans with players, as if we are feeling sorry for ourselves.  Scranton and F&M and other landmark fans are smarter than that.  When we're discussing these brackets and feel our teams got hosed, we're basing it rationally and are upset not for ourselves, but for the players and students and coaches for whom we cheer. 

if you honestly feel F&M deserves what they got, then i hope they dont show up in ur top 25 this week, but oh wait theyve been there all season.  It is hypocritical for a site to say F&M is a top 20 team all year then not defend that ranking.  As for Scranton, i've said for weeks that they were underrated and their h2h victory over Cabrini says a lot. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 11:56:23 PM
Larry:

By saying "you" I'm using the same "you" that "you" used.

Not sure it's worth talking to you anymore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 05:36:52 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 11:29:30 PM
pat, what are you talking about?  by saying "you" earned you are equating fans with players, as if we are feeling sorry for ourselves.  Scranton and F&M and other landmark fans are smarter than that.  When we're discussing these brackets and feel our teams got hosed, we're basing it rationally and are upset not for ourselves, but for the players and students and coaches for whom we cheer. 

if you honestly feel F&M deserves what they got, then i hope they dont show up in ur top 25 this week, but oh wait theyve been there all season.  It is hypocritical for a site to say F&M is a top 20 team all year then not defend that ranking.  As for Scranton, i've said for weeks that they were underrated and their h2h victory over Cabrini says a lot. 
F&M has been off my ballot for a few weeks now... and it could have been longer if I didn't have other teams I removed first. F&M was between 20-25 since the beginning of January for me and I never felt that comfortable leaving them them... though I didn't have a lot of other teams at the time to put in their place.
While others may still have them on their ballots... that isn't the case for me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
by my measure, Scranton and cabrini each played 8 games out of conference.  cancel their game out, and you have 14 teams.  3 of the 4 best teams were played by scranton (etown, kean, and miseri).  Cabrini played york and a bunch of .500 teams.  by only using math, the committee is saying dont play anyone good!  play a bunch of .500 teams and hope you have a good conference sos.  Scranton is penalized because it canceled out games vs top teams with games vs bottom feeders.  That's not good for basketball.

and not to stroke off the ODAC here, but its not like the CSAC was the ODAc.  we all knew the ODAC, by virtue of its strength, was a 2 bid league.  there was tons of debate about whether the csac would get a second team in.  pretty tough to respect the numbers cabrini wracked up in there
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2011, 10:14:16 AM
Larry just for your info not to get you fired up......being objective here the Cavs played Scranton after playing a weak rosemont team, then it was the last game before Xmas vacation and driving up there I can tell you still early in the season they were not playing close to what they are playing now.  As well as Lemons being sick and their big guy injured ( not close to 100%) things would surely be different if they played later in the season.  Scranton is a great team with history no doubt, but please put things into perspective, I was actually hoping to go to Scranton or for Scranton to come down to Cabrini, did not think NJAC team but records put em down here.   

Wish we could get F&M on the schedule next year home or away so we had more to talk about.  In the 90's F&M was great to watch, they always seem to be in it.  I am not taking anything away from them, just making the point Cavs are not that bad.  So what if you are not hosting be proud of your team and do some damage in the tournament, do you not feel better if you go on the road and win, makes it more sweet for you guys.   I understand where you are coming from but chill and enjoy.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
For those that are interested, Catholic is once again headed to the ECAC's, this time as the third seed in the South.   They'll be playing old friend Gallaudet Wednesday night at CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 10:43:04 AM
yeah wolfy, i'm not trying to discredit the Cavs season.  during the pool c discussion i was even impressed with the fact that they were winning their tough conf games.  Frankly i expected F&M to be at Cabrini in Round 1/2 which wouldve been great fun (easy travel and a heck of an environment).  The fun of this is you could make legitimate arguments for any of the three teams, which is why the dichotomy between what Cabrini got and what Scranton/FM got is puzzling and troubling.  

This isnt the right board for the F&M should be hosting their 4 team pod argument, so lets just assume that F&M was never going to host a pod.  The only 3 logical places for them would be Cabrini, Ramapo or back to St Marys.  Once RMC was shipped to SMC, there was no way they were creating a death pod, so you are left with Cabrini or Ramapo.  Instead, their reward is a 300 mile trip.

Scranton is a great hosting site because of its central location, and for that reason weeks ago i thought theyd host (mistake in regional numbers aside).  but lets say they werent going to host, the only logical sites for them are Cabrini, Ramapo, ithaca or even oswego.  i could mix and match several teams out of any of those pods and come up with a more appropriate option for scranton than williamstown.  

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2011, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
  In response to a suggestion(probably Saratoga's) on hoopsville that Hartwick would have been a better choice for Williams' regional  than Scranton, Pat Coleman said that he'd rather play Scranton's opponent, Becker, than Hartwick's(Purchase) in the 1st round.

Ronk,


Did he say why? Becker has 400 steals for the season, I am having flashbacks to Elms a few years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 12:22:09 PM
Because Purchase is playing extremely well right now and closed the season on a tear. Becker stumbled in the conference finals and seemed a bit more mortal as the season closed.

As for steals stats... that is subjective... depends if the SID is one that credits every turnover with a steal (I have seen it happen) or one that is somewhat loose with his interpretation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 12:22:09 PM
Because Purchase is playing extremely well right now and closed the season on a tear. Becker stumbled in the conference finals and seemed a bit more mortal as the season closed.
As for steals stats... that is subjective... depends if the SID is one that credits every turnover with a steal (I have seen it happen) or one that is somewhat loose with his interpretation.

Now you're going to jack up Purchase and drive down Scranton's opponent?
No wonder all the SID's I talk with think you're ignorant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
cold_case - are you kidding me? I have been in this business and worked in an SID office during my 16 years... I am not doing ANYTHING to downgrade Scranton. I am simply saying what I believed Pat was saying about Purchase. I was also stating my opinion about steals... they tend to be a stat that is given too freely away or not freely enough because there is no hard and fast rule on how to award them like you do with baskets and rebounds. Assists would be another similar stat to steals.

And to your comment about me being ignorant by other SID's standards... first reaction is I don't care. Second reaction is I doubt you have talked to that many. And third reaction is I would be surprised if that was factual. I work with a number of SIDs in this area and around the country and we have great working relationships. So unless you feel like proving your point... baseless attempts to defame my reputation and character is low even by your standards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
For those that are interested, Catholic is once again headed to the ECAC's, this time as the third seed in the South.   They'll be playing old friend Gallaudet Wednesday night at CUA.

Is this a joke? Can you imagine if Scranton was playing Marywood in the ECAC's after losing to Catholic once again? We would be hanging Danzig in effigy.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 01:23:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
For those that are interested, Catholic is once again headed to the ECAC's, this time as the third seed in the South.   They'll be playing old friend Gallaudet Wednesday night at CUA.

Is this a joke? Can you imagine if Scranton was playing Marywood in the ECAC's after losing to Catholic once again? We would be hanging Danzig in effigy.



My general attitude is that there's no downside to playing as long as you can play.  Catholic's going to need some big contributions from younger players next year, so why not continue their development?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
cold_case - are you kidding me? I have been in this business and worked in an SID office during my 16 years... I am not doing ANYTHING to downgrade Scranton. I am simply saying what I believed Pat was saying about Purchase. I was also stating my opinion about steals... they tend to be a stat that is given too freely away or not freely enough because there is no hard and fast rule on how to award them like you do with baskets and rebounds. Assists would be another similar stat to steals.

And to your comment about me being ignorant by other SID's standards... first reaction is I don't care. Second reaction is I doubt you have talked to that many. And third reaction is I would be surprised if that was factual. I work with a number of SIDs in this area and around the country and we have great working relationships. So unless you feel like proving your point... baseless attempts to defame my reputation and character is low even by your standards.

Defame? No, you do a good enough job of that.
And, when you can justify sites and selections, I will talk about SID's. However, you can't and I won't.
First rule in journalism: NEVER, EVER REVEAL YOUR SOURCES. I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Dmac: As Lusty has been saying & I have been saying...this is not about F&M or Scranton hosting...take that equation out of the conversation. The gripe is about erroneous, over-inflated Regional rankings now becoming the fall guy for where teams have been placed.
Even if each & every host site is correct by whatever formula you use, the placement of which teams go where & why is not being answered.
One moment we hear the Regional ranking is the Gold Standard. Fair enough...then where is Kean? For 3 weeks they were the Atlantic # 2 & now no spot for them?
Gwynedd ends up 21-6, gets crushed in their conference championship yet only has to travel a little over an hour to their site while F&M, a conference CHAMPION with a record of 22-5 gets sent packing to look for the decendents of the Lost Colony of Roanoke?
Then we have the Royals headed to Williamstown as a conference CHAMPION while Bridgewater St. with a record of 18-9 stays home in Mass. (no real diversity there). Wells College in New York with a record of 17-11 makes that always tough 1 hour trip to downtown Oswego,NY. (still not feeling the diversity for teams with lousy records), and Wittenberg at 19-8 making the trans Ohio trip to Marietta had to be a real tough call for the geography majors at the helm. However, the placement that has to have the committee shaking hands & passing out cigars is the work group that came up with Hartwick with 10 losses heading from rural Upstate New York into the extrenly diverse burbs of Philly. This has to be the placement this committee is pointing to to show that diversity can & does work!
In reality guys, there is no rhyme or reason to most of these placements & the truth of the matter is conference champs with good records are going places that will not be fan friendly for a rather loyal following while at the same time teams with average records get to play within an hour or so of campus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2011, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
  In response to a suggestion(probably Saratoga's) on hoopsville that Hartwick would have been a better choice for Williams' regional  than Scranton, Pat Coleman said that he'd rather play Scranton's opponent, Becker, than Hartwick's(Purchase) in the 1st round.

Ronk,


Did he say why? Becker has 400 steals for the season, I am having flashbacks to Elms a few years ago.

Nepa,
No, it was like Dmac said- just a general overall observation. Hopefully, Becker won't resemble Elms of 3 years ago. That was a painful experience and Scranton had a far better team then than now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
One moment we hear the Regional ranking is the Gold Standard. Fair enough...then where is Kean? For 3 weeks they were the Atlantic # 2 & now no spot for them?

I think you're missing the point here. They were the No. 2. Of course, they lost in their conference semifinals and ended up the No. 4. And No. 4 of five in a small region like the Atlantic is one spot from the bottom, like being No. 7 or No. 8 out of nine in the Mid-Atlantic.

Being regionally ranked is your position in the pecking order for an at-large bid. If you're behind St. Joe's LI in the Atlantic, you won't get selected before they do. There's nothing that says the Atlantic has to get any at-large teams in at all, so you definitely do not want to be third in line.

Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Gwynedd ends up 21-6, gets crushed in their conference championship yet only has to travel a little over an hour to their site while F&M, a conference CHAMPION with a record of 22-5 gets sent packing to look for the decendents of the Lost Colony of Roanoke?

For years there has been no special treatment for Pool A vs. Pool C. Remember in 2002 or somesuch, every team that got a first-round bye was a Pool C team. Winning a conference gets you in, it doesn't guarantee you a particular seed. There were seven Mid-Atlantic conference champs and obviously not all can get preferential treatment.

1   La Roche (cannot host, sent to SE Ohio)   
2   St. Mary's (Md.)   (hosts)
3   Cabrini   (hosts)
5   Franklin & Marshall   (at Va. Wesleyan)
8   Alvernia   (at St. Mary's)
9   Scranton   (at Williams)
UN   Delaware Valley (at Va. Wesleyan)

I don't think I missed anyone.

Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Then we have the Royals headed to Williamstown as a conference CHAMPION while Bridgewater St. with a record of 18-9 stays home in Mass. (no real diversity there). Wells College in New York with a record of 17-11 makes that always tough 1 hour trip to downtown Oswego,NY. (still not feeling the diversity for teams with lousy records), and Wittenberg at 19-8 making the trans Ohio trip to Marietta had to be a real tough call for the geography majors at the helm. However, the placement that has to have the committee shaking hands & passing out cigars is the work group that came up with Hartwick with 10 losses heading from rural Upstate New York into the extrenly diverse burbs of Philly. This has to be the placement this committee is pointing to to show that diversity can & does work!
In reality guys, there is no rhyme or reason to most of these placements & the truth of the matter is conference champs with good records are going places that will not be fan friendly for a rather loyal following while at the same time teams with average records get to play within an hour or so of campus.

Some teams with average records are closer to home, yes.

Some conference champs (there are more than 40!) are sent further on the road.

There is no perfect way to do it.

THere is some rhyme or reason, it's just not perfect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2011, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 12:22:09 PM
Because Purchase is playing extremely well right now and closed the season on a tear. Becker stumbled in the conference finals and seemed a bit more mortal as the season closed.

As for steals stats... that is subjective... depends if the SID is one that credits every turnover with a steal (I have seen it happen) or one that is somewhat loose with his interpretation.


Purchase beats Bard and the like and Becker losses to Elms an NCAA tourney team.  Still would take my chances with Purchase.

Really hoping that Scranton can get to Williams, would be fun to see the Royals against the Elite of Division 3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
Pat,
Is it your general belief that the Committee did a good job overall, or do you think that some of the criticisms expressed on her might be justified?  (This isn't a loaded question, I'm truly just asking.  I'm not even going to pretend to know or understand the process and criteria as well as you, D-Mac and some others.)

I know you said it isn't perfect, but it does seem like a few of these things could be easily corrected.  There does seem to be some inherent unfairness in who gets to play where.  Obviously the cream will rise to the top and if a team is good enough, they'll win anyway--in my personal experience I don't have to look any further than the 2001 Cardinals getting sent (conveniently for me since it was during winter break) to Clark in Worcester, Mass., in a massive snowstorm--but that doesn't neccessarily excuse it.   I think what gets people is not the criteria, is that they are inconsistently applied.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 01, 2011, 04:08:29 PM
Saratoga you have some great points.I was just looking around the board and i am wondering why everybody else in the country gets two host sites in region and the Northeast got 3 and the Atlantic got 1.I am not sure but i think Purchase is number 1 in that region and Ramapo was 2.Some insight please
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 04:10:57 PM
Clark was a sectional, so that's a bit of a different story. You have to anticipate that when you're down to 16 teams, you might have to travel. Catholic got a home game and a short trip to Widener before that and the bracket was much more regional.

I think the issue here is what fans want is not really a part of the equation. And it's not at the D-I level either, witness three D.C. area teams being sent to Boise in 2002 or so. They have tried to change in D-I that but it's for cost savings purposes, not for fan travel.

For me, I would say that part of the NCAA Tournament experience is getting to play someone new. Sometimes that means it has to get played in a new place.

Because so many teams play title games on Sundays, the NCAA committee has basically about 12 hours to build the perfect bracket. (In Division I where there are a few Sunday games, those games almost always involve teams who are already going to be in the tournament. The D-III games have bearing on who actually is getting in.) I know this means little to the Mid-Atlantic folks but the fact that we've had two years in a row without a bracket of death clumping a bunch of Midwest teams in the same pod or quadrant is a significant step forward.

To me a four-hour drive (by Google, probably 3:45 in real life) from Scranton to Williamstown is not a big burden. The NCAA slots Scranton in the Mid-Atlantic but fans should adjust their expectations and realize what the committee knows, that any site within 500 miles is fair game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: augie on March 01, 2011, 04:08:29 PM
Saratoga you have some great points.I was just looking around the board and i am wondering why everybody else in the country gets two host sites in region and the Northeast got 3 and the Atlantic got 1.I am not sure but i think Purchase is number 1 in that region and Ramapo was 2.Some insight please

The Northeast has about 70 teams and the Atlantic has about 35.

Purchase did not put in to host. The gym is being used this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 01, 2011, 04:13:27 PM
Thanks pat!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:16:08 PM
Also, I know that the national committee tries to put only one #1 regionally ranked team in a pod... only one #2 regionally ranked team in pod... and so forth. It isn't perfect... but got through each pod and you will find hardly any common regionally ranked teams.

That being said... #2 RMC is in with #2 SMC... so the system isn't that perfect. (I also think RMC should have been #1 and VWC #2, but that wouldn't have changed the pods anyway).

cold_case - you and certainly say whatever you want... but I am quite sure you aren't talking for a majority of people. That being said... I know quite a lot of about journalism as it pays my bills and allows me to also have the time to dedicate to this site and coverage of Division III sports. You can say anything you want... but don't try and use "journalism" as an excuse after the comments you make are anything but "professional."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
Okay...I had forgotten the exact path they took--though the point still stands, I suppose--if you're good enough, you'll win anywhere.  Can you believe it has been 10 years?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:16:08 PM
Also, I know that the national committee tries to put only one #1 regionally ranked team in a pod... only one #2 regionally ranked team in pod... and so forth. It isn't perfect... but got through each pod and you will find hardly any common regionally ranked teams.

what do you mean? no teams of the same ranking in a four team pod or no teams ranked in same region in 4 team pod?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 05:13:36 PM
They try and get as few common regionally ranked teams as possible - especially the higher seeds. That is my frustration with the RMC/SMC pod... though I would argue RMC probably should have been #1 in the South.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 05:21:30 PM
of the 16 pods, it looks like 13 have two teams regionally ranked in the same region but hey, only 2 of those 13 have 3 ranked teams in same pod
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
This is what Dave said.

"one #1 regionally ranked team in a pod... only one #2 regionally ranked team in pod"

You do know you're counting something different, yes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
pat all i did was ask dave to clarify, and from his answer my presumption was the committee tried to break up ranked regional teams, meaning you wouldnt get two MA teams together, two east, etc.  Lets be honest, splitting up all the 1 and 2 seeds wouldnt be that hard, theres only 16 for 16 pods. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 05:40:35 PM
Hence, I clarified.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:16:08 PM
cold_case - you and certainly say whatever you want... but I am quite sure you aren't talking for a majority of people. That being said... I know quite a lot of about journalism as it pays my bills and allows me to also have the time to dedicate to this site and coverage of Division III sports. You can say anything you want... but don't try and use "journalism" as an excuse after the comments you make are anything but "professional."

My late father said it best: "Son, never get into a urinating contest with a skunk."

I think 28 years in the business and numerous awards have shown I'm very professional. I have never been accused of biased journalism and always had the evidence to halt my detractors.
You have done nothing but challenge the intelligence and to some respect, integrity of these posters, and have come up woefully short.

Not only do I rest my case, I officially end my dialogue with you. However, it will be entertaining to read your sad justifications.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 07:32:29 PM
I don't think you're performing the journalism role here, though, are you? I mean, certainly this claim wouldn't stand up to an editor: "You have done nothing but..."

I have pointed out your shortcomings in this regard in the past, but you have never tried to wrap yourself in the flag of a professional journalist on the board, either. Now, if you choose to do so, you may need to act like it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 11:47:40 PM
Pat why is it that every time Dave as a gripe you answer for him?  (first with me on a simple clarification and now with cold).  i'm pretty sure he can handle himself
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 05:46:41 AM
Yeah - haven't responded because simply I was in bed... since I had to be up at 4 AM to go to my professional journalism job (hint, cold_case) as a news producer here in Baltimore.

cold_case - you don't act like a journalist here, especially throwing around comments about ones integrity and character. You are also more than bias here - which is completely fine when it comes to cheering on your team. However, don't play the "I'm a journalist card" when you aren't acting like one.

Also... just because my opinion is different then yours doesn't give you reason to call me ignorant or anything else. I have presented factual information to this arguement... something you have not done. Instead you have just called me names.

Lusty - it's nice to have someone back me up. You and cold_case are backing each other up... should I complain that you can't present your arguments and cold_case as do it for you... or visa versa?

I also did explain a #1 regionally ranked team... and a #2 regionally ranked team - don't think I could explain it better. You can't have two #1 regionally ranked teams from the same region in a pod - that is impossible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 09:49:24 AM
Ronk brought up a good point on the multi-region board. For some period of time the NCAA regional rankings did not include a win for the Royals. Ronk has more info then me, but I believe it took the Scranton staff emailing to point out the mistake.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2011, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 05:46:41 AM
Yeah - haven't responded because simply I was in bed... since I had to be up at 4 AM to go to my professional journalism job (hint, cold_case) as a news producer here in Baltimore.

cold_case - you don't act like a journalist here, especially throwing around comments about ones integrity and character. You are also more than bias here - which is completely fine when it comes to cheering on your team. However, don't play the "I'm a journalist card" when you aren't acting like one.

Also... just because my opinion is different then yours doesn't give you reason to call me ignorant or anything else. I have presented factual information to this arguement... something you have not done. Instead you have just called me names.

Lusty - it's nice to have someone back me up. You and cold_case are backing each other up... should I complain that you can't present your arguments and cold_case as do it for you... or visa versa?

I also did explain a #1 regionally ranked team... and a #2 regionally ranked team - don't think I could explain it better. You can't have two #1 regionally ranked teams from the same region in a pod - that is impossible.

Never insulted you, was stating a fact.
Everyone posted valid gripes regarding sites/selections and you did a poor job of justifying, instead leaving your answers open for even more debate.
Now you come on and say you have to go to your "professional journalism job."
Unless I'm wrong, aren't all jobs in the journalism field professional?
I have no problems with you coming on here and acting like Mr. Know-it-all, but when you use the I,I,I and me, me, me theory when it comes to your, your, your, rankings, that does humor me.
If Pat wants to watch your back or Lusty watch mine, that's fine.
However, I am a member of a certain teams NFL (you know, professional) message board for 11 years and I've yet to see the moderator come on and involve himself in anyway.
I've already been told stop posting on this site so I will. I need to keep my non-professional job.
Ciao.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
That may be true, Cold Case, or they may be posting under a handle. But I've been doing it this way for 14 years so you shouldn't be surprised. I don't give up my right to be a D-III fan because I run this site and I never have or will.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 01, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
No wonder all the SID's I talk with think you're ignorant.
By making this comment... you insulted me. I stated that. You made a blanket statement and passed it off on SID's you apparently talk to... "all" of them for that matter.

As for the "professional journalism" comment... it was simply to point out it is my paying job and one I do to pay the bills, help support a family, and even pay for a lot of what I do with D3sports.com. I was also pointing out that you are not the only journalist on this board... so by trying to play the "high and mighty" card doesn't fly with me.

I, I, I... and me, me, me??? What in the world are you talking about?
You also say I did a poor job justifying... instead leaving my answers open for more debate:

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 02:34:43 PM
REGIONAL RANKINGS... you can not complain that Scranton should be hosting when last week they were NOT in the regional rankings... and in the final rankings they sit 9th.

By the numbers:
Team               In-Region            OWP             OOWP            SOS         Reg. Ranked
Scranton        19-5 (.792)           .452               .450              .451           2-1 (.667)
Cabrini           22-5 (.815)           .510               .493              .504           5-0 (1.000)
F&M               20-5 (.800)            .468              .452              .463            0-2 (.000)

Tell me again why Scranton or F&M should be hosting and Cabrini shouldn't?!

This is the type of "facts" I pointed out and then stated why I didn't think Scranton or F&M can complain about not hosting and why they are traveling on the road. If you think this constitutes "I,I,I and me, me, me theory" you have... I don't get it. If you think this is a poor job of justifying sites and selections... I don't get it. How much more fact - that I did do research on versus many posters who just throw around accusations and theories - do you need?

I have never had a problem with you, cold_case, in the years we have interacted on these boards - including agreeing with you on many occasions including my thoughts on your team and your players (much to Matt's expense - love ya, Matt!) But because I disagreed with your "gripes" and others... all of the sudden you decided to attack me and my posts. No idea where that all came from and honestly I don't care any more. I have had enough...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 11:35:43 AM
cold is absolutely right.  as a comparison theres a pro football site out there where the mods do post a lot.  Mostly to clarify, answer questions, and have a fun discussion.  Even though many of them are espn writers, have actual insider access and write top-selling books, never once has any of them acted in the condescending, arrogant attititude that Pat uses in 50% of his posts.  Theres a reason this site has been around "14 years" yet most boards dont have any posters at all and others have only a select handful.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
Might have to do with the fact that pro football is a little more popular than Division III basketball. :) And that doesn't preclude a moderator from maintaining a separate handle and mixing it up that way. Behind the scenes at a couple of jobs I've had, I know that takes place. But I'm up front about it, no hiding.

People who post with an attitude sometimes get attitude back, no doubt. But that's a small percentage of my 25,000-some posts. (And smaller every year.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 11:41:55 AM
d-mac, i'm not going to rehash 2 days worth of debate.  You presented those numbers 2 days ago, without doing any research into asking whether or not those numbers are inflated.  Newsflash, when you venture over to the Landmark board, you are going to get people who will defend the Landmark conference.  Sadly, our well reasoned argments dont mesh with your narrative that the NCAA is always right, so you are forced to defend the NCAA at all costs.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 11:41:55 AM
d-mac, i'm not going to rehash 2 days worth of debate.  You presented those numbers 2 days ago, without doing any research into asking whether or not those numbers are inflated.  Newsflash, when you venture over to the Landmark board, you are going to get people who will defend the Landmark conference.  Sadly, our well reasoned argments dont mesh with your narrative that the NCAA is always right, so you are forced to defend the NCAA at all costs.  

Especially when the NCAA was wrong about Scranton's # of victories in their initial regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 11:41:55 AM
d-mac, i'm not going to rehash 2 days worth of debate.  You presented those numbers 2 days ago, without doing any research into asking whether or not those numbers are inflated.  

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whether they are inflated -- those are the numbers the NCAA uses.

We have spent a fair amount of time being critical about the way the NCAA changed the strength of schedule calculation and about the lack of openness in their data leading to errors. We aren't really in a position to rehash two months of debate every time someone asks about it just like you don't want to rehash two days of debate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
I never said the NCAA is always right... I just understand these particular decisions. I also don't defend them at all costs... you would know that if you listen to Hoopsville more then just Monday. I also have a comment about how I disagree with them below. But to that end... compared to what the committees and the NCAA did for the tournament and selections back in the mid to late '90s and early this century... things have come a long way. So instead of me complaining and not supporting minute decisions when they have solved and improved vast parts of the process... I choose to applaud them on decisions that deserve applause in comparison to the "old boys" network of years ago (I will resist the urge to point out the most glaring fact of that network for those who know me the best!) :)

And how are the numbers overinflated? They are numbers. Based on a team's Opponents Winning Percentage... the Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage... a team's in-region record... and their SOS which is a math formula based on 2/3 weighting of the OWP and 1/3 weighting of the OOWP that have already been affected by the multiplier.

Numbers early on in a season can seem inflated due to a smaller sample size... but by the time we are in late February... those numbers are pretty good indicators. Are they perfect? Certainly not. The RPI in D1 isn't perfect.

As for Scranton's number of victories... that was fixed after the first regional rankings and in the end didn't have any affect as Scranton did make the regionally ranked list in the end - thus changing regionally ranked opponent records for everyone.

The problem both Scranton and F&M had with their numbers were the following:
- both played a large number of home games thus not getting the benefit of the multiplier for neutral (1.0) or away (1.4) games. (I do know that Scranton lost the Vegas tournament, which didn't help their situation. I was looking forward to seeing Scranton there, so I was also disappointed.)
- both teams played in conferences that didn't help - or have helped in recent years. The bottom of these conferences have teams (like Goucher) who have struggled to put solid seasons together. Some of those teams also have poor schedules for whatever reason so OWP's and OOWP's are pretty lousy at the bottom.
- both teams did NOT take advantage of away games and win, thus lowering their in-region losses (i.e. Scranton's weekend at MMA and Drew and F&M against teams like McDaniel). If you don't have a lot of away games and are already taking a hit as a result, losing unnecessary games will compound the problem.

I have stated publicly on boards and in conversations with coaches and others in this region and elsewhere that the multiplier might be too heavy handed. If this is what you are talking about in terms of "overinflated" then I follow your reasoning... to a point. I would like to see more of a 1.2 to 0.8 multiplier... but that is to be decided by others who make the decisions in the off-season.

To that point... everyone is working with those same numbers so - without having time to do the math (maybe KnightSlappy can adjust his program), I can't say that Cabrini wouldn't still be the top team and Scranton and F&M would still finish where they are (though, in theory they might rise up a bit thanks to their home records).

I have also had a problem with the inconsistencies between the men's and women's committees and selections. I have a problem with how the regions are set-up in the men and women. I have a problem with the fact the men follow the 6.1:1 ratio when it comes to regional rankings, but the women don't and the frustration I have had not getting a straight answer as to why. I have stated these publicly on my show... on boards... and to those I speak with like SID's and coaches throughout the country when the topics are brought up.

Lusty - as for your comment about "venture over to the Landmark board"... do your own research. I am a Goucher graduate and if you noticed at the bottom of my posts it indicates I have been their Public Address Announcer since 1995 - 16 seasons. Goucher plays in the Landmark and thus I am on this board often - though mostly reading during the season.

I also frequent all of the rest of the Mid-Atlantic, Atlantic, and the ODAC boards as this is are I live in and thus the regions I tend to cover the most for D3sports.com and D3hoops.com. However, I also frequent many of the other boards throughout the country... mostly reading up to get an idea of what is going on and help me produce Hoopsville each week. I also do this so I have a better idea of who are the best teams in the country and where I think regions are struggling (i.e. Atlantic).

Sorry for the long post... I will keep my thoughts shorter in the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM

- both teams played in conferences that didn't help - or have helped in recent years. The bottom of these conferences have teams (like Goucher) who have struggled to put solid seasons together. Some of those teams also have poor schedules for whatever reason so OWP's and OOWP's are pretty lousy at the bottom.


Sorry for the long post... I will keep my thoughts shorter in the future.

This is where I am lost. Look at the bottom of the CSAC; 4 total wins outside of their conference. This can't be worse then the Landmark.

Baptist Bible College                    5-13   0.278   7-18   0.280
Rosemont College                            5-13   0.278   7-18   0.280
Philadelphia Biblical University    0-18   0.000   0-24   0.000

Then look at the middle of the pack in the CSAC:


Marywood University *    9-9   0.500   13-13   0.500
Immaculata University *    8-10   0.444   10-16   0.385
Centenary College            7-11   0.389   9-16           0.360

Hardly impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:42:54 PM
NEPA - something gave Cabrini better numbers...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:42:54 PM
NEPA - something gave Cabrini better numbers...

Yeah, what exactly?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 12:56:48 PM
the good thing about landmark fans is that they are not sheep.  theres always shades of grey in what gets spewed from the NCAA, and they are intelligent enough not to sit and take what the ncaa gives them without friendly and healthy debate. 

The original discussion was not a bash cabrini discussion, it was very much trying to figure out how you have 3 teams with similar resumes yet one hosts a pod and the other two are sent into very hostile environments, especially when you look that Cabrini didnt beat any RRT ooc and lost to scranton. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 01:04:25 PM
Out of conference regionally ranked teams isn't a criterion, though. That's far more subjective a breakdown than the committee makes. If you're trying to figure out how the NCAA deals with teams you need to use the criteria they use and not make up other ones.

Even if they make sense.

For example, I'd like to use wins against teams over .500.
I'd like to use road wins against teams over .500.
I'd like to use late-season performance.
I'd like to use an RPI measurement.

But the NCAA doesn't in any meaningful way, so it's a waste of time to throw those out as reasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
And how are the numbers overinflated? They are numbers. Based on a team's Opponents Winning Percentage... the Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage... a team's in-region record... and their SOS which is a math formula based on 2/3 weighting of the OWP and 1/3 weighting of the OOWP that have already been affected by the multiplier.

The problem both Scranton and F&M had with their numbers were the following:
- both played a large number of home games thus not getting the benefit of the multiplier for neutral (1.0) or away (1.4) games. (I do know that Scranton lost the Vegas tournament, which didn't help their situation. I was looking forward to seeing Scranton there, so I was also disappointed.)
- both teams played in conferences that didn't help - or have helped in recent years. The bottom of these conferences have teams (like Goucher) who have struggled to put solid seasons together. Some of those teams also have poor schedules for whatever reason so OWP's and OOWP's are pretty lousy at the bottom.
- both teams did NOT take advantage of away games and win, thus lowering their in-region losses (i.e. Scranton's weekend at MMA and Drew and F&M against teams like McDaniel). If you don't have a lot of away games and are already taking a hit as a result, losing unnecessary games will compound the problem.


there is no mathematical formula to compute regional ranking.  Theres just a set of criteria, we have no idea what weight is given to each.  the third criteria being head to head in region games (ie scranton vs cabrini).  Your point about road wins is invalid.  Scranton and FM both won games on the road.  We have no idea if they wouldve won those games if their overal regional ranking would be any better as the only thing that wouldve been effected would be Winning %.  The biggest problem for F&M and Scranton is that they each played a couple of out of conference regional games against horrendous teams, which canceled out games against teams better than cabrini faced. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2011, 04:41:35 PM
Two days of very healthy debate and what do I get for it...I end up booking a room in Williamstown.
I understand to a degree where Pat & Dave are coming from but I honestly & firmly believe the arguments presented by Lusty, NEPA, Augie, Ronk and some others are equally as valid.
I've said it before, there is way too much emphasis placed on Regional rankings (when convienient) and far too little time ever making sure those rankings even make sense or are adjusted to reflect accuracy in a timely fashion.
Therefore, in my quest to ensure the NCAA can not make back room deals with old friends or lack common sense or good judgement any longer, I am proposing that effective for the 2012 National Tournament and beyond, both Scranton & F&M will become designated "hosts" and thereby eliminate the mass confusion associated with making sense out of senseless decisions.
Henceforth, teams coming into the Scranton/F&M pods will be "diverse geographically", preference will be given to the newest members of D-III that have never experienced the tourney previously and at least two (2) teams in each pod will have at least nine (9) losses as demonstrated by this years pods being held at Cabrini & WPI.
I think we can also make assurances that these two sites will pack Mayser & the Long Center to the tune of 3,000 per game instead of playing in front of 427 that may be the high mark at many of the current locations.
I have also received assurances from the Scranton Athletic Dept. that all games at the Long Center will be televised by ESPN U. This late breaking development just happened with an agreement between ESPN Board Chair & UofS Alum John Walsh and my brother.
Lastly, this change was approved by Coach's Robinson & Danzig & it works for me.
Finally, common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 04:56:25 PM
COSIGN!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2011, 05:13:04 PM
That's all I needed. We're a go!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 06:01:43 PM
Great idea and who be ur brother? John A was a classmate of mine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Anybody have thoughts on how the Royals match up with Becker?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
And how are the numbers overinflated? They are numbers. Based on a team's Opponents Winning Percentage... the Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage... a team's in-region record... and their SOS which is a math formula based on 2/3 weighting of the OWP and 1/3 weighting of the OOWP that have already been affected by the multiplier.

The problem both Scranton and F&M had with their numbers were the following:
- both played a large number of home games thus not getting the benefit of the multiplier for neutral (1.0) or away (1.4) games. (I do know that Scranton lost the Vegas tournament, which didn't help their situation. I was looking forward to seeing Scranton there, so I was also disappointed.)
- both teams played in conferences that didn't help - or have helped in recent years. The bottom of these conferences have teams (like Goucher) who have struggled to put solid seasons together. Some of those teams also have poor schedules for whatever reason so OWP's and OOWP's are pretty lousy at the bottom.
- both teams did NOT take advantage of away games and win, thus lowering their in-region losses (i.e. Scranton's weekend at MMA and Drew and F&M against teams like McDaniel). If you don't have a lot of away games and are already taking a hit as a result, losing unnecessary games will compound the problem.


there is no mathematical formula to compute regional ranking.  Theres just a set of criteria, we have no idea what weight is given to each.  the third criteria being head to head in region games (ie scranton vs cabrini).  Your point about road wins is invalid.  Scranton and FM both won games on the road.  We have no idea if they wouldve won those games if their overal regional ranking would be any better as the only thing that wouldve been effected would be Winning %.  The biggest problem for F&M and Scranton is that they each played a couple of out of conference regional games against horrendous teams, which canceled out games against teams better than cabrini faced. 
Lusty - they would have fewer in-region losses... leading to better regional records... and examples like La Roche would show they would be higher in the regional rankings. But with more losses (i.e. losses on the road to teams like McDaniel), teams are lower in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
And how are the numbers overinflated? They are numbers. Based on a team's Opponents Winning Percentage... the Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage... a team's in-region record... and their SOS which is a math formula based on 2/3 weighting of the OWP and 1/3 weighting of the OOWP that have already been affected by the multiplier.

The problem both Scranton and F&M had with their numbers were the following:
- both played a large number of home games thus not getting the benefit of the multiplier for neutral (1.0) or away (1.4) games. (I do know that Scranton lost the Vegas tournament, which didn't help their situation. I was looking forward to seeing Scranton there, so I was also disappointed.)
- both teams played in conferences that didn't help - or have helped in recent years. The bottom of these conferences have teams (like Goucher) who have struggled to put solid seasons together. Some of those teams also have poor schedules for whatever reason so OWP's and OOWP's are pretty lousy at the bottom.
- both teams did NOT take advantage of away games and win, thus lowering their in-region losses (i.e. Scranton's weekend at MMA and Drew and F&M against teams like McDaniel). If you don't have a lot of away games and are already taking a hit as a result, losing unnecessary games will compound the problem.


there is no mathematical formula to compute regional ranking.  Theres just a set of criteria, we have no idea what weight is given to each.  the third criteria being head to head in region games (ie scranton vs cabrini).  Your point about road wins is invalid.  Scranton and FM both won games on the road.  We have no idea if they wouldve won those games if their overal regional ranking would be any better as the only thing that wouldve been effected would be Winning %.  The biggest problem for F&M and Scranton is that they each played a couple of out of conference regional games against horrendous teams, which canceled out games against teams better than cabrini faced. 
Lusty - they would have fewer in-region losses... leading to better regional records... and examples like La Roche would show they would be higher in the regional rankings. But with more losses (i.e. losses on the road to teams like McDaniel), teams are lower in the regional rankings.

DMac, for 3 weeks now you have beaten a dead horse that F&M's losses to McDaniel and Muhlenburg cost them.  But look at the regional criteria, the only thing winning those games wouldve done is improve their winning %.  lets say they won both, now up to 88%.  their owp, oowp, and in region results vs ranked teams wouldnt have changed at all.  They finished 5th in region, but without a formula, its impossible to know how they wouldve been ranked.  Same with scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Anybody have thoughts on how the Royals match up with Becker?

my stats are showing Becker likes to play an up-tempo game to mask a weak offense compared to other tournament teams.  They are abysmal from the foul line.  Their strength however is their defensive prowess (as discussed earlier on this board).  Scranton would be wise to create a chippy game and not get lured into a running game (unless it has the athletes to do so).  How is scrantons depth, is it enough to generate lots of fouls?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Anybody have thoughts on how the Royals match up with Becker?

my stats are showing Becker likes to play an up-tempo game to mask a weak offense compared to other tournament teams.  They are abysmal from the foul line.  Their strength however is their defensive prowess (as discussed earlier on this board).  Scranton would be wise to create a chippy game and not get lured into a running game (unless it has the athletes to do so).  How is scrantons depth, is it enough to generate lots of fouls?


The best 8-9 game: Becker vs. Scranton. Becker hasn't played the toughest of schedule but has done well against it with a 23-4 record. Two of their wins against tournament teams came before D.J. Exum was injured. Scranton's two recent trips to the tournament resulted in one-and-outs against teams that then lost their next game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2011, 10:29:05 AM
Lusty - one more time... look at La Roche... look at their regional record... then look at their OWP, OOWP, SOS, etc. You will notice that with poor numbers there... they are still #1 in the region ahead of SMC with stronger numbers but a worse regional record. Thus... if F&M had won those games and improved their regional record... then it is very safe to say they would have finished higher then #5... possibly ahead of Cabrini and then possibly hosting.

It is not something of a reach... La Roche certainly has a better regionally ranked record... but everything else is about equal. So I am not reaching that those losses hurt F&M - we say it all the time around D3... games count from the beginning of the season until the end. No game, especially in-region, is unimportant. Just one game can make a huge difference when it comes to NCAA selections. This is a good example of that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2011, 10:29:05 AM
Lusty - one more time... look at La Roche... look at their regional record... then look at their OWP, OOWP, SOS, etc. You will notice that with poor numbers there... they are still #1 in the region ahead of SMC with stronger numbers but a worse regional record. Thus... if F&M had won those games and improved their regional record... then it is very safe to say they would have finished higher then #5... possibly ahead of Cabrini and then possibly hosting.

It is not something of a reach... La Roche certainly has a better regionally ranked record... but everything else is about equal. So I am not reaching that those losses hurt F&M - we say it all the time around D3... games count from the beginning of the season until the end. No game, especially in-region, is unimportant. Just one game can make a huge difference when it comes to NCAA selections. This is a good example of that.

i've looked at LaRoche, they are 4-2 vs RRT, Cabrini was 5-0.  GMC was 2-4.  its impossible to know how that piece of criteria came into play
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Nepa,
  Nothing on Becker from their league's message board; only a human interest story on their big man who showed up from S. MD to play football(Around the nation-2/23). Like Larry says: poor foul shooting, good 3-pt shooting, 10 steals/g).  Just going to enjoy the video for the over-achieving Royals; not expecting too much with the loss of Tommy Morgan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2011, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Nepa,
  Nothing on Becker from their league's message board; only a human interest story on their big man who showed up from S. MD to play football(Around the nation-2/23). Like Larry says: poor foul shooting, good 3-pt shooting, 10 steals/g).  Just going to enjoy the video for the over-achieving Royals; not expecting too much with the loss of Tommy Morgan.

Morgan will be your crutch should Scranton fall? Give me a break. :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2011, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2011, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Nepa,
  Nothing on Becker from their league's message board; only a human interest story on their big man who showed up from S. MD to play football(Around the nation-2/23). Like Larry says: poor foul shooting, good 3-pt shooting, 10 steals/g).  Just going to enjoy the video for the over-achieving Royals; not expecting too much with the loss of Tommy Morgan.

Morgan will be your crutch should Scranton fall? Give me a break. :o



Why not? If Becker can claim DJ Ezzum as their crutch?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Anybody have thoughts on how the Royals match up with Becker?

my stats are showing Becker likes to play an up-tempo game to mask a weak offense compared to other tournament teams.  They are abysmal from the foul line.  Their strength however is their defensive prowess (as discussed earlier on this board).  Scranton would be wise to create a chippy game and not get lured into a running game (unless it has the athletes to do so).  How is scrantons depth, is it enough to generate lots of fouls?

Uhhh...depth is not really their strong suit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 12:14:32 PM
 Having seen their tourney games when Zach was frosh and soph; I'll amend it to not expecting much w/wo Tommy Morgan; the present Royals don't have as much as either team that lost in the 1st round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 03, 2011, 12:17:46 PM
Incidentally DJ Ezzum would be a fantastic name for a guy spinning electronic records at a dance club.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2011, 12:27:50 PM
By the way, the Cardinals get a rematch with DeSales (at Lebanon Valley) in what should be a good game in the ECAC semis.  They beat Gallaudet last night 66-58.   This was Gallaudet's best team in school history--the first to make it to any kind of postseason play.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
Matt,
How r they doing that- the women have a pod this weekend at Leb Val?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2011, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Anybody have thoughts on how the Royals match up with Becker?

my stats are showing Becker likes to play an up-tempo game to mask a weak offense compared to other tournament teams.  They are abysmal from the foul line.  Their strength however is their defensive prowess (as discussed earlier on this board).  Scranton would be wise to create a chippy game and not get lured into a running game (unless it has the athletes to do so).  How is scrantons depth, is it enough to generate lots of fouls?

Uhhh...depth is not really their strong suit.


Glass houses, Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 12:39:04 PM
I know they did well in a weak conference this year but I think Gallaudet's team with Jeff Ploederl, Joey Kutcka, Mike Kent, etc., from the mid-90s was actually a better team than this one. 5-seed in the CAC and won a first-round game.

Plus their Iron Five team that is in their hall of fame and won the Mason-Dixon Conference in 1943 would probably be considered better as well.

Sorry for the lack of details. I can't find the 1997-98 Gallaudet media guide that I wrote in my files right now. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 12:41:59 PM
Gordo,
  Which game(s) r u doing this weekend?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2011, 01:14:55 PM
Just deep enough to get by Catholic & into the tournament.
And...to have The Player of the Year (Landmark)
And...First Team Academic All-American
And...Josten's Finalist
And...to have denied Catholic even a single victory in 4 years
And...to have played in the NCAA tourney in 3 of the past 4 years (batteries & wins not included).
I've bet against them all year & I hope they keep proving me wrong.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
Matt,
How r they doing that- the women have a pod this weekend at Leb Val?

The men's ECAC games are at 1 and 3 on Saturday, and the women's NCAA games are at 6 and 8 on Friday, and 7 pm on Saturday.  The ECAC final will be on Sunday.

Busy weekend for the gym, but they've apparently scheduled around it. 

NEPA--Catholic's problem is not lack of depth.  They actually go pretty deep--in fact, it was one of the guys lower on the depth chart--like, way lower (Cody Otto)--that sparked their win last night.

Pat--amend my comments to say "most successful" then--best is subjective.  Either way, this is still their first team to ever play in any kind of postseason tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 03, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
Ronk:

I'll be at Cabrini for all three games of that regional.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2011, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
Matt,
How r they doing that- the women have a pod this weekend at Leb Val?

The men's ECAC games are at 1 and 3 on Saturday, and the women's NCAA games are at 6 and 8 on Friday, and 7 pm on Saturday.  The ECAC final will be on Sunday.

Busy weekend for the gym, but they've apparently scheduled around it. 

NEPA--Catholic's problem is not lack of depth.  They actually go pretty deep--in fact, it was one of the guys lower on the depth chart--like, way lower (Cody Otto)--that sparked their win last night.

Pat--amend my comments to say "most successful" then--best is subjective.  Either way, this is still their first team to ever play in any kind of postseason tournament.


I think we both know what their weakness is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 03, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
Up here in nowhere land i mean Williamstown,Mass.I saw the team bus at the hotel just across the street from the college.Good luck Royals tomorrow!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2011, 04:12:12 PM
Augie: The NCAA is allowing you to engage in their "geographic diversity" program. You should be honored.
Hopefully, that criterion that the men's selection committee holds to such a high standard will soon be read by their counterparts on the women's side in the next few years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
saratoga - the women have been at the forefront of moving teams around... and keeping top teams away from one another. Not the other way around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
Quote from: augie on March 03, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
Up here in nowhere land i mean Williamstown,Mass.I saw the team bus at the hotel just across the street from the college.Good luck Royals tomorrow!

Great now the Becker fans are going to pull the fire alarm in that hotel to get the Royals off their game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2011, 04:12:12 PM
Augie: The NCAA is allowing you to engage in their "geographic diversity" program. You should be honored.

thats the line of the week!  well done
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 04:35:18 PM
Dave and I asked the committee chair about this in our pretaped interview for Hoopsville tonight. You might be interested in the response to the questions about teams traveling outside of their local areas for NCAA Tournament games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2011, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 03, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
Ronk:

I'll be at Cabrini for all three games of that regional.

I look forward to meeting you G M.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
Gordo's a very enthusiastic fan of D3 hoops; I spoke with him at last year's Messiah-Scranton game; he's always happy to place a face with a MBer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
The answers were at best insincere.  As was said by ronk on the CC board, if "geographical divesity" was so important then that shouldve been announced months ago so as to not confuse or surprise fans.  He brought up the NABC.  I dont know who attends these NABC conferences, but i cannot believe coaches wanted to play teams from other regions simply for the trave experience.  More than likely, coaches would be giddy about playing team from other regions if it meant an easier time of winning in the tournament. 

Second point, there is nothing fun about a 6 hour bus ride, except the end.  I could understand true nationaliztion, ie F&M goes to Milwaukee, or Scranton goes to chicago. In that case players are going to places they might never otherwise see.  Theres nothing "special" about going to a place you can get to by car.  Also, unlike the D1 tournament schools dont make a long weekend out of the trip.  Perhaps trips to cities like Phoenix or Philly in D1, schools use the off day to sight-see and enjoy the experience.  In d3, you showup, practice, play, win or lose, get back on the bus and go home. 

The best experience i've ever had as a sports fan was the F&M/Ursinus game in 03.  Yes, F&M lost.  But the back and forth between fans was like nothing that could be felt in sports.  I've heard friends talk about Fm/Wilkes in 96 and the LVC/FM games in late 90s that provided equally chilling atmospheres.  That gets lost when travel gets excessive. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 11:07:24 PM
Likewise the Ursinus-Scranton 2nd round NCAA game that year(2003). Scranton won by 2 @ Scranton and it was held there because Ursinus didn't put into host. That was a strong Ursinus team and the home court was probably the deciding factor.
  The NCAA has eliminated those clashes now in favor of geographical diversity. I say save it for the sectional weekend; get the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
The answers were at best insincere.  As was said by ronk on the CC board, if "geographical divesity" was so important then that shouldve been announced months ago so as to not confuse or surprise fans.  He brought up the NABC.  I dont know who attends these NABC conferences, but i cannot believe coaches wanted to play teams from other regions simply for the trave experience. 

I agree some answers dodged the question, but this was not one of them.

Men's basketball head coaches attend the NABC convention. That's who they talk to. I know that you personally were surprised and so were some others but that's not the NCAA's fault. If they had announced it before the season, would you have even seen it? You could have taken your cue from last year's bracket, even.

It's too bad you can't believe it. It's true.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
The more travel and less geographic tournament bracket has been several years in the making. Go back and look at the brackets of the course of the last few years... and you will see this.

Two years ago, Amherst was playing at Richard Stockton... Guilford was at John Carroll with Texas Dallas in the sectional that same year... last year saw even more of this type of travel with MIT coming into the Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic. (There are far more examples, but I am working on 20 hours up with hardly any sleep this week and a long weekend ahead - so I am also not going to look it up - do your own research.)

It has been years in the making... the COACHES are asking for these changes... and requesting that it not be so regional. This isn't a regional tournament like the ECAC that then takes the winners places them in the Final Four... this is as national tournament as the men have seen in all the years I have covered d3 basketball. This is the best bracket by far in spreading teams out and giving us as balanced a series of games as they can.

I understand you don't like the fact you can't go follow your team... but that is what the video stream will be there for you.

However, the comment that this wasn't announced at the beginning of the season is ludicrous. Didn't realize putting a national tournament needed to have a statement at the beginning of the season telling people that it would be a NATIONAL tournament and there was a very good chance teams were going to travel.

It also sounds a lot like what Glen Robinson said on my show a few weeks back about not understanding the multiplier and disagreeing with the regional rankings and how they are determined. Guess what... he has been in the NABC and the NCAA meetings where these things have been discussed. It is not new... and it has been stated to coaches who first actually requested the changes.

It's time to move on... if F&M is that good... they will beat some pretty good teams this weekend and show they deserve it... but how about we let the TEAM prove this on the court... not Lusty Larry and the rest ranting and raving when it isn't just right in their own, personal eyes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
The more travel and less geographic tournament bracket has been several years in the making. Go back and look at the brackets of the course of the last few years... and you will see this.

IHowever, the comment that this wasn't announced at the beginning of the season is ludicrous. Didn't realize putting a national tournament needed to have a statement at the beginning of the season telling people that it would be a NATIONAL tournament and there was a very good chance teams were going to travel.


This gives a considerable benefit of the doubt that it was a conscious effort and not some unintended consequence. It's always been a national championship;if they wanted to change to a NATIONAL one, they would have saved some grief by stating the change in emphasis. None of the fans go to the NABC convention; we depend on you to inform us of these changes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 12:51:36 AM
We did in last year's tournament preview.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2010/tournament-preview

I did with my 2011 projection -- note that I put Franklin and Marshall at Virginia Wesleyan and I would have put Scranton at Rochester if the Rochester women weren't hosting.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2011/2011-mbb-projection.pdf

I did on Hoopsville on Sunday night. Every time someone asked where their team might go in the tournament we made a point to tell them that in addition to the places we listed, it could be anywhere within 500 miles.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
  The changes that u asked 4 last year page is not available; if geographic diversity was one of them, then I forgot about it.
  Could be anywhere within 500 miles is different from it's going to be more than 100 miles 4 sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
It is available -- I posted that one over about 20 minutes ago. Refresh and try again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 01:26:02 AM
Well, it's not evident to me reading that page; maybe, if one reads between the lines with adequate background info. Some explicit communication would have been clearer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 01:30:19 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2011, 01:26:02 AM
Well, it's not evident to me reading that page; maybe, if one reads between the lines with adequate background info. Some explicit communication would have been clearer.

That's fine. I did cite two other examples, too, however -- my 2011 tournament projection and Sunday night's Hoopsville.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:38:27 AM
i like how Pat proudly boasts about one of the few things he got right in his projection!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:46:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:02:37 AM

It has been years in the making... the COACHES are asking for these changes... and requesting that it not be so regional. This isn't a regional tournament like the ECAC that then takes the winners places them in the Final Four... this is as national tournament as the men have seen in all the years I have covered d3 basketball. This is the best bracket by far in spreading teams out and giving us as balanced a series of games as they can.

Didn't realize putting a national tournament needed to have a statement at the beginning of the season telling people that it would be a NATIONAL tournament and there was a very good chance teams were going to travel.

Please get off your NATIONAL tournament soapbox.  You cant say its a National tournament, then say, oh, teams are limited by a 500 mile rule.  Like i've been saying, if you want to send Scranton to St. Louis, or Minneapolis, that's a different story then sending them a few hours north. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:02:37 AM

It has been years in the making... the COACHES are asking for these changes... and requesting that it not be so regional.

there are only 2 plausible reasons coaches are asking for these changes:

1.  Coaches like to travel and want to take their players to new and exotic places that are less than 500 miles away, like Mahwah, NJ in the winter.  The problem is with pre-season and mid-season tourneys, coaches already get to do this.

2.  Coaches in difficult regions were sick and tired of playing difficult first round games.  Yes, for the love of God, get me out of my region if it means i avoid another top team til the Sweet 16. 

My guess is 90% of the coaches are in the 2 category.  For the record, i have no problem with point 2, just come out and say it and dont mask it with the idealistic travel BS. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 08:53:26 AM
Larry:

It's the truth. It's clear you don't want to hear it but it's the truth. Now it's officially time to move on and quit your ax-grinding.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:59:58 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 08:53:26 AM
Larry:

It's the truth. It's clear you don't want to hear it but it's the truth. Now it's officially time to move on and quit your ax-grinding.

Pat i dont have an ax to grind, but again me and others here are not sheep.  We dont accept things as "the truth" just because you say so. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 09:15:50 AM
You keep repeating the same things over and over. That's ax-grinding in our book. I think it's time to move on.

To be clear, you actually don't accept anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 10:03:22 AM
Pat,
  Let me state my misunderstanding in a different way: I can c that it's possible now 2 have an east-east(Middlebury-Amherst) or west-west(Whitworth-Stevens Point) final or that the Mid-Atlantic has a pod in 3 of the 4 bracket quarters, or that Va.Wesleyan would have to fly to Williams 4 the sectional. What I didn't realize was that the pods themselves would no longer be regional 4 the 1st weekend; that one would now be traveling 150 miles at least by design rather than by constraints. Hope this makes my view clearer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 11:07:24 PM
Likewise the Ursinus-Scranton 2nd round NCAA game that year(2003). Scranton won by 2 @ Scranton and it was held there because Ursinus didn't put into host. That was a strong Ursinus team and the home court was probably the deciding factor.
 The NCAA has eliminated those clashes now in favor of geographical diversity. I say save it for the sectional weekend; get the best of both worlds.

I do remember that controversy, and i'm the scranton game was another amazing experience.  That was a really good Ursinus team.  And you are 100% right, the way to make things more "diverse" would be to mix and match the 4 team pods in the sectional round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 09:15:50 AM
You keep repeating the same things over and over. That's ax-grinding in our book. I think it's time to move on.

To be clear, you actually don't accept anything.


Hey,

It provides good fodder for Hoopsville at the very least.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:12:39 AM
But ronk... this isn't new... as I pointed out before, two years ago Richard Stockton hosted a regional that had Amherst as a visitor along with RPI... it was pointed out that same year Gettysburg (CC Champs) were sent to Wooster, Ohio... Virginia Wesleyan played at Widener where Salem State faced off against Rochester Tech... Brandeis traveled to F&M (!)... Medaille traveled to John Carroll where also Brockport State made a trip... Hope traveled to Wheaton to play UW-Platteville... here is a link to the bracket: www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbbbracket2009.pdf (it's a PDF).

Last year... VWC, Richard Stockton, and SUNY-Purchase all traveled to SMC for the first round... Oneonta State traveled to Merchant Marine... Clark traveled Albright which also saw RMC make the trip north... Albertus Magnus beat William Patterson in NJ in the first round and in the same pod DeSales beat MIT... Lycoming traveled down to Eastern Mennonite along with Wilmington... UW-Whitewater traveled to Wooster... Johnn Carroll was sent to Guilford along with Maryville... Brandies was sent to St. John Fisher... Rutgers Newark was sent to Middlebury... link: www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf

This isn't new... it may be the first time your specific teams have experienced a longer trip... but this is not new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
Larry - we don't need fodder... in fact it is more of a distraction for the show when we try and talk to coaches and get insight on what is going on around the country from their point of view.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
Larry - we don't need fodder... in fact it is more of a distraction for the show when we try and talk to coaches and get insight on what is going on around the country from their point of view.


Really then why is Pat on the board highlighting that part of the show? You guys are telling Lusty to give it a rest, but you respond to every post he makes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
Actually - the reference wasn't to Lusty primarily... but to someone else... and we didn't talk about just that... there was how teams were selected this year over all and the tough decision that had to be made on the last team (that actually affects the South - primary question to that - the Midwest and the West regions)... we asked about moving pods around the best they could with limited flights to try and get a more national feel and hopefully allow some of the top teams to not see one another until later in the tournament (might have nothing to do with the MA)... we talked about the screw-up with RMC hosting or not hosting (affects the South Region and maybe a little of the MA, but no one here cares)... talked about the tournament expanding to 62 teams which will make the process even harder... etc.

It was a 32 minute interview... it as not all about you guys... and per asking other questions especially about the future... this is the FIRST time I have ever gotten a committee chair on the show twice in a season... so you take advantage of the situation and ask what you can.

But if anyone would like create their own show and try and do this... go ahead... you will find it isn't that easy to do - especially out of your own home. It' been 9 seasons and we are still trying to improve the show...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 10:23:13 AM
I pointed it out because Lusty Larry doesn't accept a word I say, so I wanted to point out that the people in charge were saying the same thing.

I am definitely done with it, hence my two move on posts this morning.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
Larry - we don't need fodder... in fact it is more of a distraction for the show when we try and talk to coaches and get insight on what is going on around the country from their point of view.


Really then why is Pat on the board highlighting that part of the show? You guys are telling Lusty to give it a rest, but you respond to every post he makes.

NEPAfan, they also give me negative karma points on a daily basis, which makes me chuckle inside.  That said, i think at times D-mac actually wants to have a basketball/bracket conversation, whereas pat simply wants to spout off and protect his narrative that the NCAA is always right, and he thinks his overly condescending attitude will drive me away (and thats why he responds to every post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
Actually - the reference wasn't to Lusty primarily... but to someone else... and we didn't talk about just that... there was how teams were selected this year over all and the tough decision that had to be made on the last team (that actually affects the South - primary question to that - the Midwest and the West regions)... we asked about moving pods around the best they could with limited flights to try and get a more national feel and hopefully allow some of the top teams to not see one another until later in the tournament (might have nothing to do with the MA)... we talked about the screw-up with RMC hosting or not hosting (affects the South Region and maybe a little of the MA, but no one here cares)... talked about the tournament expanding to 62 teams which will make the process even harder... etc.

It was a 32 minute interview... it as not all about you guys... and per asking other questions especially about the future... this is the FIRST time I have ever gotten a committee chair on the show twice in a season... so you take advantage of the situation and ask what you can.

But if anyone would like create their own show and try and do this... go ahead... you will find it isn't that easy to do - especially out of your own home. It' been 9 seasons and we are still trying to improve the show...


Guys, the fodder comment was light hearted and tongue in check, no need to get defensive.  I understand that you raised Saratoga's not Larry's point, but the point is it did provide fodder...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
we talked about the screw-up with RMC hosting or not hosting (affects the South Region and maybe a little of the MA, but no one here cares)... talked about the tournament expanding to 62 teams which will make the process even harder... etc.



i cared about the RMC thing, i like hearing what goes into the process.  the 62 teams question though was a joke, had nothing to do with 2011 and a waste of five minutes.  my only advice (and take it for what its worth, and watch nantz/kellog when they go after D1 guy in a few weeks) would be to ask more direct questions and let the guy choose to answer it or not.  Questions like, why is eastern mennonite not in the tournament?  Why is F&M going to VaWesleyan and not Cabrini? Did geo diversity trump seeding?

when you ask lots of softballs, you lead the listener to believe you are more interested in getting the interviewee on your show than actually getting information out of him.  I'm not saying you asked lots of softballs (well pat did, not you per se), but there were few curve balls
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 10:43:21 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
Actually - the reference wasn't to Lusty primarily... but to someone else... and we didn't talk about just that... there was how teams were selected this year over all and the tough decision that had to be made on the last team (that actually affects the South - primary question to that - the Midwest and the West regions)... we asked about moving pods around the best they could with limited flights to try and get a more national feel and hopefully allow some of the top teams to not see one another until later in the tournament (might have nothing to do with the MA)... we talked about the screw-up with RMC hosting or not hosting (affects the South Region and maybe a little of the MA, but no one here cares)... talked about the tournament expanding to 62 teams which will make the process even harder... etc.


Actually, I do care; it just happened to affect Randolph-Macon and a few others schools this time, but the lack of communication  could have affected any of the dual-hosting capable schools; it's not that hindsight is 100%; I said somewhere that a good reason for the women to have their show 1st was because they had the primary option for the dual-hosting capable schools; I didn't dream that they wouldn't tell the opposite site that R-M women were no longer being considered to host. Same thing for the sectional next weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
we talked about the screw-up with RMC hosting or not hosting (affects the South Region and maybe a little of the MA, but no one here cares)... talked about the tournament expanding to 62 teams which will make the process even harder... etc.



i cared about the RMC thing, i like hearing what goes into the process.  the 62 teams question though was a joke, had nothing to do with 2011 and a waste of five minutes.  my only advice (and take it for what its worth, and watch nantz/kellog when they go after D1 guy in a few weeks) would be to ask more direct questions and let the guy choose to answer it or not.  Questions like, why is eastern mennonite not in the tournament?  Why is F&M going to VaWesleyan and not Cabrini? Did geo diversity trump seeding?

I asked about 62 because I don't want this committee to wimp out on getting every tournament spot they are entitled to the way previous men's basketball committees did. We held at 48 for years longer than the 6.5 ratio said we needed to.

The D-I guys are paying a billion dollars to air the tournament and are entitled to a few more answers than we or you are. CBS has just a little more leverage over that tournament, wouldn't you say?

You can email Dave Martin those questions if you like.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:52:33 AM
pat a good journalist never admits defeat, no matter his resources. if your point is, if we asked him tough questions he wouldnt have come on at all then i'd have more respect for you guys saying not have him on at all.

also, whats his email address and i'd be glad to ask him myself?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 10:54:02 AM
Larry:

A good journalist can find his email.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 10:54:02 AM
Larry:

A good journalist can find his email.


So much for being done~! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:00:29 AM
Touche. I'm just surprised a guy who works for CBS would need help finding someone's email.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:04:21 AM
its a 3 second yahoo search, i just figured you were offering
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 11:06:30 AM
Lusty - there is actually a Hoopsville conversation on in the General Boards... take your criticism for how I do my show and how those my show conduct themselves over there... I am tired of you thinking you are better then anyone here especially when they disagree with you. So you if actually want to talk about Hoopsville... head there.

Lusty - if it was that easy to find an email - you wouldn't waste the time being a jerk here and questioning EVERYTHING Pat and I say and just do work yourself. Do you really think it is proper that Pat and I hand out email address for people on a whim. Do it yourself and stop wasting everyone's time.

Again... good luck to Scranton this weekend (since this is the Landmark board)... would love to see a surprise being a Landmark school... but it would really screw up my bracket! :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him he resorts to ridiculous personal attacks.  i discussed hoopsville on here because i wanted to talk about the results of the show specifically with landmark fans (with whom i was chatting with during the show), because scranton and nepa fans are some of the most educated in D3.  didnt realize that wasnt allowed d-mac
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him


I must have missed that part.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Clearly struck a nerve with Dave.

yep, and after i praised him

I must have missed that part.

haha, i reread and youre right nepa, i forgot i changed my comment from praise to non-insulting!  530 for scranton tonight right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2011, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:52:33 AM
pat a good journalist never admits defeat, no matter his resources. if your point is, if we asked him tough questions he wouldnt have come on at all then i'd have more respect for you guys saying not have him on at all.

also, whats his email address and i'd be glad to ask him myself?

Don't e-mail Dave, it's his birthday today. He and I have a long and great history together when I was working in that area of PA.

Honesty, Integrity...blah, blah, blah!
I came back here for the truth, since certain people are claiming they are right.
The Landmark Conference title game wasn't streamed on d3hoops or wherever and Scranton was to blame, according to a blog on this site.
The blog read this way:
"We tried to do the Landmark game -- in fact, we decided to do the Landmark game only to run into roadblocks both in athletics and IT. So we will be doing the CAC game instead. Sorry, guys -- we tried.
There were a lot of factors. We needed 24 hours to get all our ducks in a row, including bringing in PrestoSports, which was going to do live stats/live video combination at whichever of the two sites we chose.
Guess Scranton couldn't deal with that."

What I get from this is that Pat Coleman, the blogger, wasn't involved in the deal but received bad info from one of his own.
I'm told it wasn't Scranton's fault. Their IT and athletic departments went the extra mile to get that game streamed but an unamed d3hoops representative was tardy in giving the final decision.
What was left out of the blog were important details, especially regarding the time line. If the time line were included in this blog, it would not appear that the University of Scranton caused the project to crash.
Scranton wanted d3hoops there and could have taken care of them if they contacted Scranton earlier in the day as d3hoops promised.
A simple phone call or e-mail to Scranton earlier that day would have stopped the situation.

Again, I don't think it's Pat as much as it's the bad info given to him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
Negative, cold case -- we asked for 24 hours and the plug was pulled before then.

In addition, PrestoSports was in contact with Scranton during the day to set up the companion live stats part of the project. Scranton should have easily known we wanted to go forward, since it was all packaged together. If there were questions, they could have communicated in the other direction.

In the end, no harm other than a bunch of wasted time. The Capital Athletic Conference title game at St. Mary's got this treatment instead, a nice little media blitz from Presto and prime positioning from Ustream on its website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ziggy on March 04, 2011, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 10:54:02 AM
Larry:

A good journalist can find his email.

or even a mid-level message board guy...

The haters need to cut Pat and Dave some slack, I thought the conversation with Dave Martin was great for those that are interested in gaining a deeper understanding of the DIII tournament's inner-workings. Most of the message board controversy is due to a lack of knowledge regarding the entire regional ranking and selection process.

I thought there were some questions asked that did a great job of shedding some light on a few issues such as the interpretation of "results versus regionally ranked" and whether a team like Hope might be penalized for playing more games out of region/NCAA than is typical. These things should be seen as much more important than the minutiae of why team x didn't get or why a game is played at school z (although there was a good explanation of the thinking behind that issue).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
ziggy, i addressed your points on the pool c board.

the question Pat asked was a great one, because frankly its what me, saratoga, and others have been arguing with DMac about all week.  the committee has the ability to, and does, look behind the numbers. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:14:46 PM
cold_case... I informed everyone that I was not going to be able to make a decision until at least 2 or 3 PM in the afternoon of Friday since I was going to be at work until 1 PM and unavailable due to my work load of getting all the ducks in a row.

I received a voicemail in the morning from the IT department that I was unable to check until 2 PM... I heard nothing back from the SID department a any time on Friday. Again... I told them I would call 24 hours after I had talked to them on Thursday... and that was around 4:00 PM on Thursday.

I got back to the IT department at 2:30 who told me the decision had been made by the SID department that I was not coming and that the IT department had had a number of its employees already leave for the day and that an ethernet portal could not be set up now. They also had asked if I could broadcast on one of their laptops - not possible.

I then contacted the SID department and was told that because they had not heard from me in the morning - when I said I was going to be available - they pulled the plug themselves.

I WANTED to go to Scranton since it was a game we at D3sports hadn't done and we had featured SMC in the past. But I was unable to actually make the decision myself on the timeline I had given out. If someone wants to disagree with me about this - they are welcome to email me. Understand... NOTHING could have been decided in the AM as that is not a time frame I am able to be on the phone for even 10 minutes due to my responsibilities at my paying job.

And cold_case... wouldn't it have been prudent of you as a journalist to have contacted me first to find out the story from my point of view instead of making comments about ignorance and then just now talking about my tardiness. If you are as solid a journalist as you have portrayed yourself in the last few weeks... then this would have been a no-brainer. Thanks for the respect of contacting me and getting my side of the story before you assumed you already knew the story and told the rest of the world the one-sided part of it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:16:19 PM
The conversation I believe was about the last few teams being chosen into the field and at that time they do look behind the numbers. But understand that when the numbers are as vastly different (.05 to .1 in every major category)... they don't then take an extra step to the 2nd criteria or behind the numbers.

Again... that was a conversation regarding picking the final few teams that are close in the first criteria and even the second criteria.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2011, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 12:14:46 PM
And cold_case... wouldn't it have been prudent of you as a journalist to have contacted me first to find out the story from my point of view instead of making comments about ignorance and then just now talking about my tardiness. If you are as solid a journalist as you have portrayed yourself in the last few weeks... then this would have been a no-brainer. Thanks for the respect of contacting me and getting my side of the story before you assumed you already knew the story and told the rest of the world the one-sided part of it.

Dave, if I were doing a story for a publication, I most certainly would have contacted you. This is a public message board. Everyone here is voicing their opinion, like editorials?
And I don't recall your name coming up in my post to Pat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 12:47:34 PM
In your "reporting" for your "editorial" did the live stats component come up? You didn't mention it. This was all tied together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2011, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 12:47:34 PM
In your "reporting" for your "editorial" did the live stats component come up? You didn't mention it. This was all tied together.

Engaging is a battle of wits or who outwits whom has nothing to do with right and wrong. Right?
Being witty only covers up guilt/shortcomings. I don't have any, but several posters on here think two people do.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 01:30:30 PM
Not trying to be witty. Just seems like you didn't get the whole story, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 01:30:30 PM
Not trying to be witty. Just seems like you didn't get the whole story, either.


The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle here.


Anyway where is Toga and Augie's live blogging from Western Mass?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 04, 2011, 02:10:55 PM
Nepafan i am at the lounge waiting for Saratoga to give me a call he is on route 7 as i speak.I was at the gym picking are tickets up the team was just getting off the bus for a shoot around.I will post more later Go Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 02:29:39 PM
I went to Williams for a football game. Depending on where you get on 7, that's not a bad trip. I wouldn't get on 7 from I-95 or the Merritt, though. Take Connecticut Rte. 8 north and then pick up 7 later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
I am looking ahead if I pointed out that one of Williams starters is injured?

;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
It could affect the fantasy contest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
It could affect the fantasy contest.

You sure you want to bring attention to that?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
I'll still be following Catholic this weekend--be nice to end on a high note by beating a good DeSales team--but basically, its on to next year for the Landmark...for all my complaining about the board being dead, it certainly came alive here at the end, though it wasn't neccessarily for the better.  Too bad things devolved.  I don't want to wade into it much--no dog in the fight and what not--but it does seem wise to point out that as far as I know, many of the people who devote time and effort to d3hoops in general, this board, and their respective programs, are doing so on a volunteer basis, or at least for little compensation.  I tend to feel like if these were real in person conversations, as opposed to internet missives, the tone would probably be different and wouldn't escalate nearly as quickly.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:24:04 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
I'll still be following Catholic this weekend--be nice to end on a high note by beating a good DeSales team--but basically, its on to next year for the Landmark...for all my complaining about the board being dead, it certainly came alive here at the end, though it wasn't neccessarily for the better.  Too bad things devolved.  I don't want to wade into it much--no dog in the fight and what not--but it does seem wise to point out that as far as I know, many of the people who devote time and effort to d3hoops in general, this board, and their respective programs, are doing so on a volunteer basis, or at least for little compensation.  I tend to feel like if these were real in person conversations, as opposed to internet missives, the tone would probably be different and wouldn't escalate nearly as quickly.



Matt you make very fair points.  I came on this board Monday to talk with Scranton/Landmark fans about the similarities between our two teams and the draws they received.  one of the volunteers of which you speak responded to every post of mine in a condescending manner, so i retort back.  At least on my end, anyone who talks to me that way in person would receive the same vigor. I dont hide behind my computer, bud.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TerrorFan on March 05, 2011, 12:03:57 PM
If you complain about things constantly the way Larry does that you just might get that kind of response.

Makes me glad I am not an F&M grad to be represented by this guy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Hey Scranton fans, what did you think of the trip/facilities/town around the college?  Did any of you stay for the Williams game?

be careful not to make any legitimate negative points, terror fan cant comprehend the difference between constructive criticism and a complaint. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
Larry-

I wasn't at the game so can't comment on anything you requested. Did appreciate the video, even though the Royals lost the game. The announcers were terrible, but can't expect to much when the were calling the tune up game to the main event.  I think they had Becker and Scranton confused. Becker as we though brought constant pressure which I thought the Royals handle decently. The glaring problem was the lack of an inside presence for the Royals. The only player who brought anything in the paint was Luke Hawk. Obviously we have plenty of time to talk about it in the off season but the Royals lack of an inside game and inability to clean the glass on the defensive end kill them in this game.  They were red hot shooting for about 30 minutes and then when the outside shots weren't finding their mark they were dead in the water.


Congrats again though to the Landmark champs and the seniors on the team. Also congrats to Cabrini who I thought would get killed, but actually beat NJCU. Good for them


By the way Matt, if you take a look at the other boards, the Landmark is probably the most active in the Mid Atlantic. All the other boards have a two year head start on us and we are at 200 pages.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 05, 2011, 04:24:09 PM

– CUA will play for an ECAC championship after the Cardinals rolled past DeSales 88-56 on Saturday in the semifinals of the tournament.  It is the Cardinals first ECAC championship game appearance since 2005.  Cody Otto had a terrific day for CUA (21-8) with 15 points on 6 of 9 shooting, while Jason Banzhaf notched a double-double with 23 points and 10 boards.

CUA led 37-29 after one half and then the Cardinals started to pour it on, outscoring the Bulldogs 28-15 in the opening ten minutes of the second to go in front 65-46.

Otto and Banzhaf hit three 3-pointers between them right out of the gate in that second half to put CUA in front 46-33 with 17:53 on the clock.  Back-to-back layups by Banzhaf and Otto then made it a 16-point game with 17:05 remaining.

DeSales closed to within 12 on Andrew Kohler's free throw at the 14:03 mark but CUA responded with seven straight points capped by Spencer Reed's bucket and the Cardinals were in front 61-42.

Banzhaf's 3-pointer at the 7:50 mark made it a 25-point game and after Otto got to the hoop for a layup with 6:21 remaining the Cardinals were in front by 31, 79-48.

Chris Kearney gave CUA a 32-point cushion with a free throw at the 5:44 mark and senior Ryan Horka closed things out with a basket in the final minute to set the final margin at 32, equaling the Cardinals largest lead of the afternoon.

CUA shot a sizzling 56 percent in the second half while holding DeSales to just 30 percent in the final 20 minutes.  Joining Banzhaf and Otto in double figures was R.J. Dixon with 10, while Kearney pulled down seven boards and also blocked a pair of shots.

The Cardinals harassed their counterparts into a 3 of 18 showing from 3-point range (16 percent), including just 1 of 9 in the second half.

DeSales leading scorer Brian Hunter, who netted 21 in the Bulldogs win over CUA earlier this season, was held in check on Saturday, with only 14 points on 6 of 13 shooting.  Brett Moyer was the team's leading scorer with 16 points and two Bulldogs, Tom Marshall and Kyle Hash, pulled down five rebounds apiece.

Following a layup by Moyer at the 17:10 mark of the first half DeSales led 9-4, but four straight points by CUA brought the Cardinals to within 9-8.

Andy Roell's basket with 13:41 to go brought the Cardinals to within one and Dixon's jumper on CUA's next possession put the Cardinals in the lead, 15-14.

A basket by Moyer with 6:48 on the clock tied things at 23, but from there CUA scored seven straight to take a 30-23 lead with exactly four to go.

DeSales cut the Cardinals lead to just three with 1:37 left in the half but a Banzhaf layup and 3-pointer from Shawn Holmes propelled CUA into halftime ahead by eight, 39-27.

On Sunday CUA will take on the winner of the Lebanon Valley – Wesley semifinal in the 2011 ECAC Championship.  Tip-off is slated for 1 p.m. from Annville.  The Cardinals have just one ECAC title in school annals, which came in 1986 when CUA downed Frostburg State in the championship game, 90-86.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Hey Scranton fans, what did you think of the trip/facilities/town around the college?  Did any of you stay for the Williams game?

be careful not to make any legitimate negative points, terror fan cant comprehend the difference between constructive criticism and a complaint. 

Larry,
  Anticipating a sectional trip for the Dips? Let's hope u get to make it; besides, it'll save a flying trip 4 Va. Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Hey Scranton fans, what did you think of the trip/facilities/town around the college?  Did any of you stay for the Williams game?

be careful not to make any legitimate negative points, terror fan cant comprehend the difference between constructive criticism and a complaint. 

Larry,
  Anticipating a sectional trip for the Dips? Let's hope u get to make it; besides, it'll save a flying trip 4 Va. Wesleyan.

Hi ronk, i'm anticipating it in the sense that i'm getting my ducks in a row in order to go.  But should be a good one, i wouldnt be surprised either way about tonight
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
hilarious, the exact same thing i predicted on the CC board about a late VWC pull away is what occurred. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2011, 12:35:12 AM
End of the road for the Cardinals seniors--particularly want to acknowledge Jason Banzhaf and RJ Dixon.  Jason finished his career with 1,819 points--3rd all time in CUA history.  In a program with as many great players as Catholic has had, that really means something.  RJ finishes 21st all time himself, and really developed as a leader on the court and a scoring threat over the last two years.  Best of luck to them.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 07, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
apparently my post struck a nerve and it was deleted by the moderators.  basically i just wanted to congratulate Scranton fans for a great season and applaud landmark fans, been a fun week chatting with you. signing off now for the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Ok, Larry, watched the Dips Saturday nite. That Va. Wesleyan defense was tough and aggressive. Nice to have a Milligan who can strongly take it to the basket. We're here occasionally in the offseason, especially when the schedule gets released.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Ok, Larry, watched the Dips Saturday nite. That Va. Wesleyan defense was tough and aggressive. Nice to have a Milligan who can strongly take it to the basket. We're here occasionally in the offseason, especially when the schedule gets released.

And then you all complain about it!

Have a good offseason guys. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2011, 10:07:30 AM
Rumors that Wilkes and Kings might be on the schedule this year....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuguy on March 17, 2011, 07:01:25 PM
It's been ages since I posted, and I'm not sure this quite fits here-- but congrats to Catholic on the 10th anniversary of their d3 championship!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
****Breaking News*************


PSU Hazelton has accepted an invitation to join the Landmark Conference for the 2012-2013 season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 01, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
Nice try, NEPA fan - April Fools, or have stranger things happened
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 02, 2011, 09:24:53 AM
Or, in the light of day, i could say you wish - over & out
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 07, 2011, 10:19:16 AM
Kate, glad you didn't fall for it. I should have said Delaware Valley was joining the Landmark.


Royals have their first recruit:   Ross Danzig

A two-time first-team all-Lackawanna League selection, Danzig was selected the 2010 Times-Tribune Player of the Year after averaging 17 points, seven rebounds and three assists per game.

            This past season, Danzig contributed 13 points, five rebounds and four assists per game at Blair Academy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 07, 2011, 02:04:07 PM
Hello NEPAFan, i think i told you guys before, i won't let em  :P!  If they insisted, i'd switch to another MAC team.  My HUGE loss, but that's just how i feel
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 07, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
PS, my "karma" can drop to -1,000 - that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on May 07, 2011, 12:39:01 AM
Congratulations to former Catholic head coach Mike Lonergan who today was named head coach at George Washington.   Very proud of Mike--had no doubt he'd succeed at Vermont and I'm looking forward to watching him at GW. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mike-lonergan-hired-to-coach-george-washington-mens-basketball/2011/05/06/AFNrCcCG_story.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 13, 2011, 04:23:12 PM
Did we ever get anything from the conference on a change to the weekend schedule format?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on June 17, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
Pat-Dave-

Any truth to LVC's alumn  JD Byers as a front runner for the Stevenson job?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2011, 11:08:18 AM
Happy 4th to the Landmark posters!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
I just learned the Royals will play an Exhibition against fellow Jesuit institution St. Joseph's in Philly on November 14th.


Scranton's Final Roster is up with some nice additions.






Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2011, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
I just learned the Royals will play an Exhibition against fellow Jesuit institution St. Joseph's in Philly on November 14th.

That will be a fun experience for all involved!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 02, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
And I thought I was the resident wise guy. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 03, 2011, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
I just learned the Royals will play an Exhibition against fellow Jesuit institution St. Joseph's in Philly on November 14th.

  Nice to see the Royals back in the "big time" even if it's an exhibition game. With new assistant coach Mihalich joining from the Villanova staff, I thought Villanova would have been more likely than St. Joe's.
  Catholic's exhibition game this year will be against Florida, since Billy Donovan's son is a member of the Cardinals.
  For the youngsters out there, Catholic played in D1 for a number of years and Scranton played 8 D1 opponents(including 3 Big East teams) each of my 1st 2 years. My personal hilite was playing in a triple-header at the mecca of college basketball- the Penn Palestra: our frosh against Temple's frosh in the opener(freshmen couldn't play varsity in those years), our varsity against Temple in the middle game and in the feature game, a Big 5 clash between Penn and St. Joe.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
Here is an op-ed from the Times (no, not the NYT) about Scranton basketball and scheduling D-1 opponents. Also calls for the Royals to explore moving up to D-1....

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/good-play-to-renew-rivalries-1.1202733#axzz1YRoOrtIg
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
Here is an op-ed from the Times (no, not the NYT) about Scranton basketball and scheduling D-1 opponents. Also calls for the Royals to explore moving up to D-1....

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/good-play-to-renew-rivalries-1.1202733#axzz1YRoOrtIg

You know how many times there were talk of moving up to D-I? The Times is about 20 years behind in their posing this question.
Besides, I'm not sure if it was direct from the Times or a Scranton press release.
Wasn't that NEPAFAN posing as Swb fan in disguise, bantering with Pat Coleman?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 20, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
Here is an op-ed from the Times (no, not the NYT) about Scranton basketball and scheduling D-1 opponents. Also calls for the Royals to explore moving up to D-1....

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/good-play-to-renew-rivalries-1.1202733#axzz1YRoOrtIg

You know how many times there were talk of moving up to D-I? The Times is about 20 years behind in their posing this question.
Besides, I'm not sure if it was direct from the Times or a Scranton press release.
Wasn't that NEPAFAN posing as Swb fan in disguise, bantering with Pat Coleman?


20 years behind how so?  If it was a Scranton press release it would probably have had a little more of an impact, .can you use your resources to see who authored it?

Swb Fan is NEPAFAN's 3rd cousin, twice removed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 20, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
Here is an op-ed from the Times (no, not the NYT) about Scranton basketball and scheduling D-1 opponents. Also calls for the Royals to explore moving up to D-1....

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/good-play-to-renew-rivalries-1.1202733#axzz1YRoOrtIg

You know how many times there were talk of moving up to D-I? The Times is about 20 years behind in their posing this question.
Besides, I'm not sure if it was direct from the Times or a Scranton press release.
Wasn't that NEPAFAN posing as Swb fan in disguise, bantering with Pat Coleman?


20 years behind how so?  If it was a Scranton press release it would probably have had a little more of an impact, .can you use your resources to see who authored it?

Swb Fan is NEPAFAN's 3rd cousin, twice removed.

You are so misinformed. They've been talking on and off about moving up for decades and look where they still are.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 20, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 20, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 20, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
Here is an op-ed from the Times (no, not the NYT) about Scranton basketball and scheduling D-1 opponents. Also calls for the Royals to explore moving up to D-1....

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/good-play-to-renew-rivalries-1.1202733#axzz1YRoOrtIg

You know how many times there were talk of moving up to D-I? The Times is about 20 years behind in their posing this question.
Besides, I'm not sure if it was direct from the Times or a Scranton press release.
Wasn't that NEPAFAN posing as Swb fan in disguise, bantering with Pat Coleman?


20 years behind how so?  If it was a Scranton press release it would probably have had a little more of an impact, .can you use your resources to see who authored it?

Swb Fan is NEPAFAN's 3rd cousin, twice removed.

You are so misinformed. They've been talking on and off about moving up for decades and look where they still are.


Of course I am misinformed. We both have the same information. The only time I recall a discussion of moving up was 2000, and they didn't have the facilities. The campus has grown leaps and bounds since then. That's all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 27, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on June 17, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
Pat-Dave-

Any truth to LVC's alumn  JD Byers as a front runner for the Stevenson job?

Sorry for the delay... and while the job has been filled... I never actually remembered hearing JD's name in the mix, but I also didn't hear a lot of names from my sources - they kept a lot of info close to the vest in this process.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 27, 2011, 10:15:39 AM
Also, the whole idea about Scranton moving to Division I is far more complicated. There needs to be a LOT of money to do that, especially if they plan to offer scholarships (where do you think that money comes from?).

There is a reason athletic departments like Johns Hopkins and others which have the grandfather-clause and have one Division I program while the rest of the department is D3 (i.e. lacrosse). They also like the Division III aspect of their departments... but the cost to bring all of the rest of the programs along to D1 is expensive... and usually ends up resulting in programs being cut to make the move.

Personally... that doesn't seem like a very smart move for a program like Scranton... which also doesn't have any programs like Messiah has in soccer, Salisbury has in lacrosse, and other schools where they could compete in Division I.

Just my two-cents.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 27, 2011, 01:58:40 PM
 It's been downhill for Scranton ever since they discontinued the nation's best rifle team. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on September 27, 2011, 05:36:25 PM
There's one i'm not touching with a 10-foot pole, Ronk  :)  Actually not touching the concept of U of S going D1 either.   As stated before, that plan to have a Cross-County competition is the BEST!  Maybe the Women's Teams could work out something as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 21, 2011, 01:48:52 PM
Congrats to Asmer Capers for his Pre Season All American honors!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 22, 2011, 12:23:31 AM
  Conference schedule aberration for the Royals - open with 5 home games meaning, 7 of final 9 on the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 26, 2011, 11:48:49 AM
I hope you folks don't mind me taking a personal tack for a minute, but I believe there are several NEPA-ians on here, so...

TheGrove is not long for the 'grove. Hubby has accepted a job in the Electric City. Any suggestions on where to live or other helpful hints? We have a couple friends over there, but otherwise don't know a ton about the area.

Also, I'll be looking for a job. Anyone know of openings in the PR/communications fields?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
Grove,
  Unfortunately, the regular Scranton contributors no longer live in the Electric city; NEPA and I are down in the DC suburbs(45 years in my case) and Saratoga might be in upstate NY; so I don't have up-to date info on living conditions; I'd speculate on a arc 10 miles  from downtown Scranton from Clarks Summit clockwise to the East if you don't mind commuting. Schools, if you have children, would be another consideration. Many small lakes and the Poconos for recreation.
As for Pr job, there are plenty of colleges/universities(Kings, Wilkes, Misericordia, Marywood, Scranton, E.Stroudsburg) in the area that might be looking for people to promote the institution.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 27, 2011, 04:33:29 PM
Ronk said it all. The only thing I would add is perhaps looking at the Hospitals and Medical School up there. Is your Husband working for the University? Any chance you drop Susquehanna for the Royals?


The pre-season poll came out yesterday. I have issues with Drew ranked as low as they are. For comparison I also posted last year's poll.

2011 Pre Season Poll
1.    Scranton    77
2.    Catholic    64
3.    Susquehanna    48
4.    Drew                     47
5.    U.S. Merchant Marine Academy    45
6.    Juniata    43
7.    Goucher    21
8.    Moravian    19

2010 Pre Season Poll
1. The Catholic University of America 77

2. The United States Merchant Marine Academy 74

3. The University of Scranton 68 (Conference Champs)

4. Susquehanna University 54

5. Goucher College 44

6. Juniata College 29

7. Moravian College 26

8. Drew University 17 (Made Playoffs)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 27, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 27, 2011, 04:33:29 PM
Ronk said it all. The only thing I would add is perhaps looking at the Hospitals and Medical School up there. Is your Husband working for the University? Any chance you drop Susquehanna for the Royals?

Haha, NEVER! I won't betray my alma mater!  :) It's hard to leave the 'grove and SU, but it's an opportunity too good to pass up.

He's going to be working for the Times-Tribune. Not in sports, though, so if you have complaints about their coverage of the Royals, he  won't be able to help you.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2011, 11:44:26 PM
NEPA,
I'd go with Scranton, Drew, Susque, Catholic on loss of Banzhof/ Dixon; Royals r only 1 of these to announce new roster additions at this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2011, 02:48:21 PM
Okay, Grove talk to me in January. ;D


Ronk, just based on who returns I would have Drew 2nd as well. Then the 2nd tier, USMM, Susquehanna and Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 31, 2011, 03:58:08 PM
Thanks to all who responded/messaged about NEPA. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2011, 04:15:06 PM
   CUA roster up; opening game tonite at Florida(7 pm); video link on team page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2011, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 03, 2011, 04:15:06 PM
   CUA roster up; opening game tonite at Florida(7 pm); video link on team page.


Ronk,

Not surprised by that final score. Scranton had a Scrimmage last night, but I don't have any details. Preview is up on Scranton and D3hoops site. Season kicks off with the exhibition against St. Joes on Monday...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 08, 2011, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 26, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
Grove,
  Unfortunately, the regular Scranton contributors no longer live in the Electric city; NEPA and I are down in the DC suburbs(45 years in my case) and Saratoga might be in upstate NY;

Regular posters?

Quote from: ronk on October 27, 2011, 11:44:26 PM
NEPA,
I'd go with Scranton, Drew, Susque, Catholic on loss of Banzhof/ Dixon; Royals r only 1 of these to announce new roster additions at this time.

When you use any single digits in writing, you spell them out: one, two three, et. al...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
It must be basketball season , the KING of NEPA  College Basketball is here to drop some knowledge on us Landmarkers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 08, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
It must be basketball season , the KING of NEPA  College Basketball is here to drop some knowledge on us Landmarkers.

;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2011, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 08, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
It must be basketball season , the KING of NEPA  College Basketball is here to drop some knowledge on us Landmarkers.

;)

I didn't say it was a good thing! Anyway regarding Basketball, very excited about the start of the season, the talent the Royals have brought in and what looks like a stronger schedule then what they have been playing the last few years.

Still waiting for the majority of the League's rosters to come up on their sites....Maybe there are a few College of Charleston type transfers...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2011, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 08, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
It must be basketball season , the KING of NEPA  College Basketball is here to drop some knowledge on us Landmarkers.

;)

I didn't say it was a good thing! Anyway regarding Basketball, very excited about the start of the season, the talent the Royals have brought in and what looks like a stronger schedule then what they have been playing the last few years.

Still waiting for the majority of the League's rosters to come up on their sites....Maybe there are a few College of Charleston type transfers...

  Consider that source as null; Charleston pres on TV saying they were significantly dropping the tuition; my take is that future xfers liable to be incoming rather than outgoing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2011, 02:18:20 PM
Scranton scrimmaged Nuemann earlier this week. Newcomers Danzig and Bevacqua put up some decent numbers in about 20 minutes of action each. Danzig will get the start against St. Joes this coming Monday according to the Scranton website.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
Scranton won the Radisson Invitational over the weekend. Travis Farrell was Tournament MVP and Luke Hawk made the All Tournament Team.

Hard to get a sense of what Scranton's rotation will be as the games we not close. Scranton host's Misercordia tomorrow night. Miseri always seems to give the Royals fits.


I know it is early , but what else is going on around the league?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2011, 11:20:25 PM
MMA 2-1 with a clobbering of Maritime, similar to the Royals.
Moravian with a 1-pt loss to Centennial favorite Muhlenberg;
CUA 2-0 winning @ Dickinson despite being 10 down with 6 1/2 to go; however, prominent frosh Dan Eliot missed the weekend games after starting against Florida.
Juniata 3-0
Drew 1-2 OT loss @ Gettysburg and a clobbering by Hood; 6-11 Dylan Bulger not on this year's roster
Susque 0-2 close games, including D1 St.Francis(PA)
Goucher 0-3 in Pride of Md tourney
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2011, 10:45:49 PM
Miseri continues to give Scranton fits, everyone else in the conference wins.
Get the impression Danzig is still tinkering with his rotation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
  Unofficial word on the broadcast last nite is that the Landmark will be shifting to a Wed/Sat sched next year from the current Fri/Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 23, 2011, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 23, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
  Unofficial word on the broadcast last nite is that the Landmark will be shifting to a Wed/Sat sched next year from the current Fri/Sat.

Would be less taxing the players in the league.
BTW, I am shocked at Lefty. No Colts references? WOW  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:09:27 AM
Happy Thanksgiving Landmark posters!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 24, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 23, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
  Unofficial word on the broadcast last nite is that the Landmark will be shifting to a Wed/Sat sched next year from the current Fri/Sat.

I heard that from a coach, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 25, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
Just spent the last 9 months wandering the Berkshire's trying to forget the Royal's total meltdown vs. the fabulous Becker Boys in the first round of the 2011 NCAA tournament.
All that time spent trying to erase the memory of blowing a 14 point lead with 10 minutes left, the nightmares of bouncing Becker's crashing the boards for putback after putback. The empty feeling of watching the Royal's launch 3 pointer after demented 3 pointer while absolutely failing to get the ball into any part of the paint...where they just so happened to score 1/2 their first half points but not a single one in the second half. Just when I thought it was safe to put the teaching of Thoreau to good use & make my way from Walden Pond back to Royalville...what happens???
My beloved Royal's, the bullies of SUNY Maritime & New Paltz go into another regional game within the friendly confines of the Long Center and...blow it big time vs. Misericordia??? I mean no offense to the Cougers but, do teams that think they are really good allow teams of really no better talent come into their house & beat them this soundly?
When was the last time Duke was defeated at home by Wake Forrest? Not that the Royals have dominated the DIII scene in recent memory the way Duke has but, do you get the analogy?
To be perfectly honest, this is a huge hit for Scranton as far as the region goes...a very bad loss. Not in the sense that they lost to an inferrior team (they didn't) as the Cougars are very well coached but, in the sense that with some of the teams Miseri will beat, they could have given themselves a very nice cushion.
However, some things simply don't change. Still no true point guard which was seriously exploited by the pressing Becker's & most certainly still no dominate inside presence which was absolutely dominated by the leaping Becker's.
Now it's off to face a similar type team at Ramapo.
Was this fools gold by watching the Royal's dismantel two pretty weak teams? Are our hopes exceeding the true talent level?
Are the Royal's even good enough to win the Landmark & if so, is it simply a foregone conclusion that it will be yet another...one & done playoff appearance?
Tonight should be a pretty good indicator...the team either bounces back & starts doing some things it will need to do to be successful in the post season or the smoke & mirrors get's blown away by the really good teams that will exploit your every weakness.
I certainly hope a very 1 dimensional team finds it can play with the new kids on the block. 30 point wins vs. New Paltz are nice, 1 point wins on the road against quality teams are better.
Good luck Royal's, let's see how you stack up against the pre-season pick of the NJAC. A win like this on the road may allow forgivness from the Regional ranking God's. Then again, don't bet on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2011, 12:47:37 PM
Saratoga,
  Just back from a homily by a Franciscan friar some of which was Thoreau, Walden Pond, and living "deep"; one can only think it's an affirmation of your thoughts. Allow Coach Danzig to use it in his pregame talk. Ramapo could be a lightning rod for the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 28, 2011, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 23, 2011, 03:21:23 PM
BTW, I am shocked at Lefty. No Colts references? WOW  ;D

CC,

I never kick a man when he (or his team) is down.

Lefty
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
I have also heard they will be switching the women's and men's game times on a seasonal basis. In other words, I think next season they will have the women play second... the following season the men will play second, etc.

Don't agree with that... I think there are better options (that even other conferences employ)... but there is a STRONG push that the women's teams are not getting a fair shake in the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
  Landmark wins the challenge tonite with the CentenniaL 2-1 as all the home teams won(Catholic, Moravian, and Dickinson).
  Moravian(Royals' conference opener opponent Saturday) somewhat improved from last year from a few minutes watching their game with Ursinus tonite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2011, 09:27:13 AM
Saratoga, Welcome Back ! ( I think),


If we go by your logic the Royals are in for a long season. 4 point overtime loss at Ramapo w/o Luke Hawk. 40 points by Freshman, but the Royals lost in Overtime to the NJAC pre-season favorite. These are dark times amongst Royal Nation. Season is over.


Now back to reality where the Royals played a NCAA tourny team tough in their gym w/o their leading scorer. Danzig has gone away from scheduling the PSU Hazletons of the world, they have some impressive freshman, and Conference play begins Saturday. Should be nothing but excitement from the faithful.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 29, 2011, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Don't agree with that... I think there are better options (that even other conferences employ)... but there is a STRONG push that the women's teams are not getting a fair shake in the conference.

Unless the women can draw more that 40 fans at most places, I'd say they're being dealt with fairly.

Lefthander, you do realize we've been tanking the entire season, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
NEPA: I certainly was not trying to apply any logic that even suggests their (Royals) season is over.
What I did state, and correct me if I'm missing the players, is that Scranton did not bring anyone in that can contribute right away who can address their two primary needs of the past 4 years...post play & point guard.
Let's not forget, the Royals gave up 37 second & third & fourth chance shots to Becker! We couldn't box out Barbie. In all sincerity, those numbers are obscene. Let's not forget Becker's press in the 2nd. half which although not a thing of precision & beauty was nevertheless, very effective in preventing the Royals from getting any flow or order to the game when they needed to.
Each regional loss is a killer, whether by 4 points or without one of your starters...the NCAA could give a damn, they just add em up & send you 1,000 miles away, never to be heard from again until mid October.
Scranton will be a very nice team by the time the playoffs roll around.
I just wish that someday a few of these tight games on the road can be won & the Royals can be rewarded with a host site.
Until then, I know some really nice places to stay in Massachusettes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on November 29, 2011, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
I have also heard they will be switching the women's and men's game times on a seasonal basis. In other words, I think next season they will have the women play second... the following season the men will play second, etc.

Don't agree with that... I think there are better options (that even other conferences employ)... but there is a STRONG push that the women's teams are not getting a fair shake in the conference.

I've always found this a strange argument.  There is only one point on which it makes sense (and only in a limited capacity), and it isn't the one they are probably arguing ...

Attendance/fans - Personally, if my team typically draw smaller crowds, I'd rather have fans coming in at the END of my games with the hopes that they may catch an exciting finish and want to come to my games more often. At the very least, they are giving us more fan support when we likely need it most (the end of the game). The alternative is to come out and warm up to a gym where most of the crowd is leaving. Blech.

Warm-up time - On this point, it's the team playing second who is getting shorted (though it doesn't seem to bother them).  Playing first gives you more time.

Missed class time - Only applies to weekdays, but it has merit.  Of course, in a geographically spread out conference, a lot of teams are travelling together, so when that's the case it's the same amount of missed classes regardless of who plays first.

I honestly find it odd that the schools in the conference would want a conference rule over who plays first anyway. Do they dictate that for other sports with shared facilities? (m/w soccer and/or field hockey; m/w lacrosse) If an institution wants their women to play second some or all of the time at home, they should be able to. Put it in the hands of the host school and let them decide.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2011, 02:38:35 PM
sunny - I suspect, but I certainly do not know, that schools like Scranton whose women's program has certainly been the mainstay and the power houses in recent years. Then I can understand a program like that wanting to be the second-part of the double-header. I have also heard people claim equal opportunity for both the men's and women's teams as being the "main event" of the double-header, per se.

However, they have gone with this first-half/second-half of the season rotation now for two seasons and I think that just confuses fans and what not. I have stated to people in this conference and on these boards that something like what the UAA does where the men play second on the first night and the women play second on the second day makes more sense to me. You are being fair to all parties... and the fans know which teams will be playing at what times every weekend.

Of course if they switch to the Wednesday/Saturday schedule that has been alluded to, this gets stranger in my opinion.

Also, warm-up time is actually overrated, in my opinion. I don't see a lot of teams who actually warm-up for a full 30 minutes. Heck, I hardly see them warm-up an entire 25 minutes... so being the short-end of the stick on that being the second game is not much of a reality. I am pretty sure the men's teams, who have been playing second in most conference games in all their conferences, don't care about the warm-up time that much.

As for other shared facilities... I do not know of other situations where they switch the timings of games to be fair to everyone. From my point of view, this has been a basketball issue only. However, I can look into that more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on November 29, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
The Landmark does operate under a similar schedule for soccer. With the exception of USMMA which doesn't have a women's team, soccer teams in the Landmark play doubleheaders (mostly on Saturdays). Until this year, it was women first and then men, but in 2011 the men's games were played first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2011, 03:29:56 PM
Damn... the person I was going to check in with decided to post anyway!!! :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2011, 08:06:02 PM
Toga,


Where were you all summer to post about Becker? I was crying in my Frosted Flakes every day over the loss. However, new season and we move on.


Bevacqua seems to be a player who could fill the void at Post. He put in 15 against Ramapo last night...


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2011, 04:18:50 PM
Scranton survived their conference opener against Moravian.


I think I lost a few years off my life....back and forth OT win for Scranton. Scranton appears to be a bit banged up.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 06, 2011, 10:56:44 PM
As an outside observer, who keeps up with Catholic U. (we are in the their New years Tourney) I can't help but wonder why Catholic at 6-0 does not recieve at least 1 vote in D3Hoops? Im wondering  if any Landmark fans can give this SUNYAC guy some help with this? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2011, 11:57:37 PM
  Probably because they haven't beaten anybody good; looking at their schedule, they could go undefeated and not beaten anybody good. Which team are you? - maybe their tourney final will be their best test.
  Dmac has a ballot; he can tell you why he didn't give them a 1-pt vote.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
CUA's opponents record is 17-24... and the two with winning records (Dickinson and Penn. St.-Behrend) haven't really played top notch teams either.

They are on my radar - they almost always are... but there are a LOT of undefeated teams right now... and the guru of D3hoops, Pat Coleman who is a CUA grad, hasn't even put them on his ballot.

Give it time... they have Richard Stockton coming up on the 10th (I see Stockton Wednesday night)... that will maybe tell me something. Other than that... they have a weak out of conference schedule and nothing will really be known until we hit conference action.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 07, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
CUA's opponents record is 17-24... and the two with winning records (Dickinson and Penn. St.-Behrend) haven't really played top notch teams either.

They are on my radar - they almost always are... but there are a LOT of undefeated teams right now... and the guru of D3hoops, Pat Coleman who is a CUA grad, hasn't even put them on his ballot.

Give it time... they have Richard Stockton coming up on the 10th (I see Stockton Wednesday night)... that will maybe tell me something. Other than that... they have a weak out of conference schedule and nothing will really be known until we hit conference action.

Dave- I was just wondering when the regional rankings begin.... Is it the the first week in Feb? If so, is it always the same date on the calender?

Also, how much comes into play how "hot" a team is the week or 2 leading to the rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
Recently they have cut the number of regional rankings released down to four per year (used to be more), so based on the timing of the end of the season, that means the first regional rankings come out near the very end of January, but usually the beginning of February. They also come out on every Wednesday in those weeks leading up with the final one coming out I think on either Selection Sunday or Match-up Monday (D3hoops monikers).

According to the 2011 Men's Championship Handbook (fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf)), the first date for the regional rankings will be Wednesday, February 2nd... with the 9th, 16th, and 23rd to follow.

As far as to answer how "hot" a team is... it is not part of the criteria. The entire season counts. It is something we say on Hoopsville all the time. How a team did in the first game of the season is weighed the same as they did in the last game of the season... so thus, you can't lose to a bad team in November and expect the NCAA to overlook it. This isn't Division I which puts the stupid part in about how a team has done in the last 10 games... allowing teams who were horrible early on and happen to catch fire at the right time the right to make the tournament, especially over a team that may have deserved it more if that rule wasn't in place. D3 doesn't see it that way... the entire season... all regional games count (out-of-region games count only if most of the rest of the criteria is exhausted).

If a "hot" team who has had a horrible year wants to make the tournament... they better make sure they win their conference AQ.

Hope that answers your questions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 08, 2011, 12:49:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2011, 11:57:37 PM
  Probably because they haven't beaten anybody good; looking at their schedule, they could go undefeated and not beaten anybody good. Which team are you? - maybe their tourney final will be their best test.

Buffalo State Bengals. we're in their Holiday tourney 12/31-1/1. Hope to be in the "tourney final"! ;). Hopefully they wont beat "anybody good" (BENGALS ranked 14th) in their tourney. :)

Thanks for the info Dave 'd-mac' and ronk. Hope to talk to you again afetr Xmas!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 08, 2011, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
Recently they have cut the number of regional rankings released down to four per year (used to be more), so based on the timing of the end of the season, that means the first regional rankings come out near the very end of January, but usually the beginning of February. They also come out on every Wednesday in those weeks leading up with the final one coming out I think on either Selection Sunday or Match-up Monday (D3hoops monikers).

According to the 2011 Men's Championship Handbook (fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf)), the first date for the regional rankings will be Wednesday, February 2nd... with the 9th, 16th, and 23rd to follow.

As far as to answer how "hot" a team is... it is not part of the criteria. The entire season counts. It is something we say on Hoopsville all the time. How a team did in the first game of the season is weighed the same as they did in the last game of the season... so thus, you can't lose to a bad team in November and expect the NCAA to overlook it. This isn't Division I which puts the stupid part in about how a team has done in the last 10 games... allowing teams who were horrible early on and happen to catch fire at the right time the right to make the tournament, especially over a team that may have deserved it more if that rule wasn't in place. D3 doesn't see it that way... the entire season... all regional games count (out-of-region games count only if most of the rest of the criteria is exhausted).

If a "hot" team who has had a horrible year wants to make the tournament... they better make sure they win their conference AQ.

Hope that answers your questions.

Don't think you could answer my question better! Thanks much Dave, as usual great job :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 08, 2011, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 07, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
Dave- I was just wondering when the regional rankings begin.... Is it the the first week in Feb? If so, is it always the same date on the calender?

Also, how much comes into play how "hot" a team is the week or 2 leading to the rankings.

d-mac/CCHoopster. Is knightslappys formula identical (see below) to the 1 that the NCAA uses for regional rankings??

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/reginal-rankings-1252011.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
He is using a numerical calculation... and basing it on numerical details. The formula has certainly been close at times to predicting teams getting in, but it doesn't account for everything, especially if a number of teams from different regions are being considered for the final couple of spots in the tournament. That's when the committee is looking at all the criteria and numbers and such and discussing who deserves to be in it... in other words it becomes a human determination with a human element.

However, his formula is helpful it letting you know what teams will be considered and where teams are positioned, however, early on the numbers are a bit "off" since there are not a lot of games to base the numbers on.

For those in the know, he picked up this formula work after a long-time poster died unexpectedly after a season. His numbers were very solid and he has been missed ever since his passing.. but knightslappys has picked up the work and constantly tweaks his formula to match what the NCAA considers and I think does a very good job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 08, 2011, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
He is using a numerical calculation... and basing it on numerical details. The formula has certainly been close at times to predicting teams getting in, but it doesn't account for everything, especially if a number of teams from different regions are being considered for the final couple of spots in the tournament. That's when the committee is looking at all the criteria and numbers and such and discussing who deserves to be in it... in other words it becomes a human determination with a human element.

However, his formula is helpful it letting you know what teams will be considered and where teams are positioned, however, early on the numbers are a bit "off" since there are not a lot of games to base the numbers on.

For those in the know, he picked up this formula work after a long-time poster died unexpectedly after a season. His numbers were very solid and he has been missed ever since his passing.. but knightslappys has picked up the work and constantly tweaks his formula to match what the NCAA considers and I think does a very good job.

Thanks for the Quick response d-mac!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
Horrible loss for the Royals to previously 1-6 ETOWN. Up 2 with the ball and Morgan called for the offensive foul , ETOWN comes down hits a three and that is all she wrote. A week to stew on this one and try and find their identity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 11, 2011, 01:38:01 AM
What they did to Coach Bessior should be done to Toby and his best friend Carl.The University has went from one of the greatest programs in the country to one and done in the nation.Bessiors teams won Championships and packed the U today you are lucky if you have 100 people in the gym. Carls team are one and done it is getting old and Toby should be fired maybe this new president will catch on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2011, 07:32:21 AM
Come on Augie, give me a break. Who do you want to go out and hire?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 12, 2011, 03:33:47 PM
How many years since Randy Arnold graduated?
Until Scranton can recruit a true point, they will find themselves totally dependant on non guards handeling the ball & trying to do things they are not comfortable doing...hence, the average of 20+ turnovers per game.
Add to the fact that its been an equal amount of time since their last inside game became extinct with the graduation of Tom Bicknell, and it becomes pretty easy to see that when a team full of 2 guards & small forwards is not hitting from the outside (3/15) from behind the arc... turns the ball over as much as they do & rarely gets second chance put backs, it will be a long night & subsequently, more than likely, a long year.
At the rate these losses are coming in, the Royals certainly need to play much better within the conference if they have any post season plans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 12, 2011, 10:30:36 PM
No Nepafan i would like to see a team that would make it to the National level it once was.Do you really think just winning the Landmark year after year and getting beat in the first round of the NCAA is a great accomplishment maybe in your world.But when you follow the team for about 25 years plus and seen what i have seen over them years home and away then you could say come on augie.I have seen every team since 1983 and been to every final four since then{ Men and Women}.Over Carls tenure the  only good team he has had was the year they forced Bessior out and that year we went out to Wooster and lost to Wooster with Bessior recruits like Loftus,Elphick,Smith,Kane,Bailey etc that was the sweet 16 Carls first year.Carl had some great players but like Saratoga has said he needs to put the package together maybe this new assistant will help in that aspect of the game to put a complete team together like Bess did.He had that inside outside game because he had a Point guard that controlled the team and a Center that dominated the post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: augie on December 12, 2011, 10:30:36 PM
No Nepafan i would like to see a team that would make it to the National level it once was.Do you really think just winning the Landmark year after year and getting beat in the first round of the NCAA is a great accomplishment maybe in your world.But when you follow the team for about 25 years plus and seen what i have seen over them years home and away then you could say come on augie.I have seen every team since 1983 and been to every final four since then{ Men and Women}.Over Carls tenure the  only good team he has had was the year they forced Bessior out and that year we went out to Wooster and lost to Wooster with Bessior recruits like Loftus,Elphick,Smith,Kane,Bailey etc that was the sweet 16 Carls first year.Carl had some great players but like Saratoga has said he needs to put the package together maybe this new assistant will help in that aspect of the game to put a complete team together like Bess did.He had that inside outside game because he had a Point guard that controlled the team and a Center that dominated the post.




Augie,

Fair enough. Although I don't think firing Danzig is the right move. I like the hiring of a Full Time Assistant and like the Freshman they have brought in. I just think it is funny that some people complain about the team who has won the Landmark every year but one. Imagine how fans of Moravian feel?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
Firing coaches? Last I checked, this was Division III, not UCLA, Kentucky or other major colleges.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 16, 2011, 10:28:29 AM
Speaking of Scranton, we're going to work with Cabrini tomorrow night to do a videocast of the Scranton/Cabrini game. I'll post a link off the front page later tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 16, 2011, 10:28:29 AM
Speaking of Scranton, we're going to work with Cabrini tomorrow night to do a videocast of the Scranton/Cabrini game. I'll post a link off the front page later tonight.
Gordon,
  thanks for the effort; I always enjoy your work; hope they'll do the women's game also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 16, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
Yep, we'll do both.  It's a potentially a very big day for Scranton hoops.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 17, 2011, 05:58:32 PM
Scranton coach Mike Strong breaks the Division III women's basketball record for career coaching victories as the Lady Royals beat Cabrini 46-43. Unfortunately Strong isn't there to see it happen because he was ejected from the game at the 10 minute mark. First year assistant Stephanie Witko pilots Scranton to the victory down the stretch.

So give Strong 757.5 wins and give the other half to Witko. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 17, 2011, 05:58:32 PM
Scranton coach Mike Strong breaks the Division III women's basketball record for career coaching victories as the Lady Royals beat Cabrini 46-43. Unfortunately Strong isn't there to see it happen because he was ejected from the game at the 10 minute mark. First year assistant Stephanie Witko pilots Scranton to the victory down the stretch.

So give Strong 757.5 wins and give the other half to Witko. :)

Listened to most of the Scranton/Cabrini game last night and it became quickly obvious this wasn't a BSPN broadcast: This one was done professionally!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 18, 2011, 05:43:26 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2011, 09:04:26 AM
Gordon,


I was out on Saturday Night ( a rarity) but what was your take on the Royals?

Scranton is in Florida the next two nights (8pm tonight and 6pm tomorrow)...you can find live stats below:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/sporttours.portal#

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2011, 10:50:42 AM
NEPA: Certainly not trying to answer for Gordon.
However,after seeing the Royals 4 times this season & countless times through the years, my take is this is the same team they had last year which was the same team they had the year before that which was the same team....etc. etc. etc.
The Royals have some very nice parts to a pretty good squad however, their weakness is very obvious & its been glaring for a really long time.
The lack of a floor general cost them dearly over the past several years in key games & was especially exploited during their past 2 NCAA first round games.
Until all the pieces to the puzzle can be found & meshed together, Scranton will continue to win most of the games they should win & very few of the games where the talent level is equal to or greater than their own.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2011, 07:25:23 AM
Scranton was down 13 with 9 to play but came back to beat North Central by 2 in Daytona.

Nice win after the back to back losses.


Saratoga, thanks for the insight but I think I am already aware of your view of the Royals.  :D

Westfield State tonight at 6pm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 20, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
QuoteI was out on Saturday Night (a rarity) but what was your take on the Royals?

This is the first time I've seen Scranton in a couple years so take this with whatever size grain of salt is appropriate.

I was impressed by Morgan and Danzig, who are very nice players. They both have size and enough quicknes to be a tough matchup for opponents. At one point one of those two (Danzig?) posted up Cabrini's All-American Lemons on the right block, caught the ball and spun around for an easy shot over the top of the shorter Lemons. Morgan was making a living by backing up near midcourt, drawing the slower defender out and then dribbling past him to the rim for an open look. Danzig and Morgan aren't prototypical floor generals (like for Lemons for example), but they are really nice pieces. Hawk is a grinder. Tough kid. Love to have him on my team. 

I don't want to make too much of Farrell's performance, which was apparently his lowest scoring total of the year. He looks like a similar player offensively to Morgan, but I could be wrong.

The Royals didn't get much from the forwards. Shamback seemed out of place. He spent a lot of time near the three point line, facing the rim, where he didn't seem like much of a threat. Bevilacqua had foul trouble. I thought that, more than the lack of a point guard, was the biggest weakness because Cabrini's interior defense struggled.

If I had to pick one thing that would make Scranton better -- and this is only based on one game -- I'd say they need another post player to contribute at or close to Hawk's level.  He's a tough guy, but he needs help. 

Scranton also lost to a good team. Cabrini's coach has really done a great job building a solid roster around Lemons, who is an excellent player. Rafferty is a great shooter. Knowles could be All-Region. Dulac and Boyd are nice pieces (though both struggled Saturday). There's good depth off the bench with Rogers and Miller. Who knows where Cabrini will finish the season, but this squad is comparable in talent to the best teams to come out of this region the past few years, even if the CSAC isn't a deep conference. So losing to Cabrini on their floor isn't a bad loss, even if it's a frustrating one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2011, 11:50:37 AM
Thanks for the insights Gordon!


Scranton vs Wilkes on Monday 2 Jan at 6pm at the Cross County Challenge. A match up seven years in the making , any truth to the rumors that the game will be on ESPN3?
Title: Susquehanna loses to Penn State Harrisburg
Post by: CCHoopster on December 30, 2011, 12:44:49 AM
Crusaders were down the whole game and never had a chance other than trading buckets early for some minutes. A local sdgk from Penn State Harrisburg had 39 points.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2012, 12:48:09 AM
  Royals is renewing hostilities with long-time rivals Wilkes(Mon) and Kings(Tues) in Cross-County Challenge after 4-yr hiatus(since Scranton left MAC-Freedom to join the Landmark).
   Some background for the newcomers: Scranton-Kings was one of THE rivalries in D3 hoops(and before D3 existed). Scranton's venue in the home-and home was the CYC(capacity,4400) and it was filled when I was in school, despite being larger than the combined enrollments of the 2 schools. We did have some attendance from our sister schools, Marywood and Misericordia, then all women. A number(30?) of Kings' students hiked the 18 miles between the schools for the game each year in the dead of winter.
  The highlight game was the 1964 game in Scranton won by the Royals 117-112(3OT). The 2 All-Americans in the game had 42 and 45 points for their respective teams. It was preceded by an oncourt melee among those from both sides. The CYC director threatened to send everyone home without a game if there was a recurrence.
  Scranton-Wilkes never had the same attraction even though they were longer time conference rivals, going back through the original MAC, before the Freedom and Commonwealth divisions. Not even current Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan, when he played for the Colonels, brought much interest. In the MAC-Freedom days, Wilkes did win the majority of the games. The hilite, I'm told, was Coach Bessoir breaking out a purple tux for one of the encounters.
  Unfortunately, with the schools on intersession, I don't anticipate the interest that the renewals would have enjoyed in February. One sidelight: current Kings' coach Andrejko is a former Royals All-American.
  Finally, I'd like to thank host Marywood for allowing the Scranton-Kings game to be the feature on Tuesday so that it can be televised in prime time and giving me enough time to get back from watching the Lady Royals in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on January 02, 2012, 03:56:48 AM
Catholic U. definitly has the goods to go far from what I saw today! Everyone at Dufour Center got theirs moneysworth this afternoon in the Championship game between Buffalo State and CUA.

BENGALS 8 hour ride home should be enjoyable after capturing the Championship trophy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2012, 09:25:20 PM
Scranton beats Wilkes....I've waited 5 years to say that. Somewhere ColonelJohn is crying!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 03, 2012, 08:41:22 AM
I heard Scranton was missing a whole bunch of folks for that game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
Certainly a nice win for the Royals. Let's hope they can once again string 2 good games back to back & do what they need to do to take care of that other school tonight.
As far as missing personnel:
Luke Hawk still with a hand injury...may play tonight.
Tim Lavelle...sick.
One of the highly touted freshmen...may not be seen again this season due to unacceptable GPA.
Two other players from Scranton Prep have decided to pursue other interests.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 03, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
Certainly a nice win for the Royals. Let's hope they can once again string 2 good games back to back & do what they need to do to take care of that other school tonight.
As far as missing personnel:
Luke Hawk still with a hand injury...may play tonight.
Tim Lavelle...sick.
One of the highly touted freshmen...may not be seen again this season due to unacceptable GPA.
Two other players from Scranton Prep have decided to pursue other interests.

Toga,

What is up the highly touted freshman? May not be seen? Paper said he was held out for undisclosed reasons. Seems like a final decision hasn't been made?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 03, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Nepa, don't be a tool. I told you about the kid three weeks ago. I am against putting a youngsters name in print that suffers academically. Unlike Nogasara...... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
Case of cold ones: Not sure what you're reading but...I've not mentioned that kids "name" nor the names of those now playing intermural ball.
In addition, this information was stated last night via the "voice of the Royals". Anyone that was listening to the pregame as I was heading to the game heard this mentioned live.
Who knows, he may miss the entire second semester or...he may take a class during intersession & be back in early Feb.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2012, 05:22:07 PM
Scranton beats JP and Kings after cruising out to a big lead and holding on. Kind of depressing how beating Wilkes and Kings generates no buzz.


Scranton will be live streaming their home games moving forward via Ustream which I think Goucher has employed rather successfully. Should be interesting.


Dave, sounds like Goucher has some talented Freshman and can get after the basketball on the glass. Upset Alert???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
NEPA - it is interesting at Goucher... I think they do have some young talent that is showing just how good they are. Alex Noble single-handly made a close game against Rutgers-Camden a blow-out in a matter of minutes with a huge run of 3-pointers (RC wouldn't come out of a sagged-in 2-3 zone and Noble just kept hitting). He ended up with the a Goucher and SRC record 40 points... I think he was 6-11 from beyond the arc - most in the second half.

But, I take each game one and a time with the Gophers. While they have talent that is young and showing tons of potential... and veterans like Marcus Cotton are playing far better than in years past... others like Trae Lindsay continue to disappoint.

Lindsay has been a fearsome shot blocker and has potential of being a very difficult threat in the interior... but he just won't show up. I have seen ONE game that was worth talking about this year. He remains timid in the post, won't make a quick decision with the ball, and on defense doesn't seem to be as big a factor as in the past (though, there has been a major change in defensive-thinking with this team - don't want to ruin it for your viewing pleasure).

Right now, I don't think they have a real threat inside and that is a problem. If Lindsay would get more physical (not in a negative way) and take over inside... Goucher could make the rest of the season interesting. The Gophers could still make things interesting with young players gaining confidence, but my expectations remain low until they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 06, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
NEPA, you just had to ask, huh?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 12:47:26 PM
cold_case... I'm sorry... was I not supposed to answer the question? Were you not interested in hearing about anything but your team?

I will refrain from giving my two cents in the future... when asked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 06, 2012, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 12:47:26 PM
cold_case... I'm sorry... was I not supposed to answer the question? Were you not interested in hearing about anything but your team?

I will refrain from giving my two cents in the future... when asked.

Umm, Big Mac, you are the same guy who said a few years back that Goucher is the future of the conference. What synopsis did you expect me to hear from you other than positive?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
cold_case - at the time, I did think they where going to rise to the top of the conference... but things have not gone well for the Gophers. I will be the first to say and admit that... heck, I have been saying it for years. I have been disappointed in how this team has performed.

If you also read my previous post, you will see my say things like "taking games one at a time"... and "my expectations remain low."

I have been covering Division III basketball and obviously been around the Gophers for 17 years... that certainly gives me the experience to know what I am talking about, but it also means I am going to be wrong in my analysis from time to time. Why don't you just read what I wrote... and move on. You don't need to take cheap shots and decide to pretend that anything written on this site must be gold.

When was the last time you were perfect in your analysis? NEPA asked me a question about the Gophers and their youth... I answered. Do you have something to actually add to the conversation?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 06, 2012, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 01:17:00 PM

I have been covering Division III basketball and obviously been around the Gophers for 17 years... that certainly gives me the experience to know what I am talking about, but it also means I am going to be wrong in my analysis from time to time. Why don't you just read what I wrote... and move on. You don't need to take cheap shots and decide to pretend that anything written on this site must be gold.

When was the last time you were perfect in your analysis? NEPA asked me a question about the Gophers and their youth... I answered. Do you have something to actually add to the conversation?

I have been following D-III since it's inception in 1974-75 and covering it since 1982-83. Does that make me an expert? Heck no. And no, I have been wrong more than right, according to readers.
I guess I added to the conversation.  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 04:28:03 PM
cold - thank you for "joining the conversation" with nothing but snide comments and no opinion of your own.

It seems you have more fun taking pop-shots from the bleachers, attacking people's opinions, then actually presenting your own... I don't call that contributing.

NEPA asked for my opinion... I gave my opinion... you didn't actually present your opinion on my post... instead you made a snide comment about me and my opinion... I completely do not understand why you feel you have to do so.

You have made it a point to attack me on several occasions of the years and personally, I am fed up. I don't attack you on your opinion... though I may say when I disagree with your point of view.

Just do me a favor in the future... don't bother retorting to my comments if the only thing you can do is make it an attack - especially a personal one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2012, 04:30:44 PM
By the way - your experience of following Division III basketball is well noted... but I hardly ever see you present nothing but jaded points of view. I would figure that with that much experience you would have a more even-keeled approach, especially to posts from other points of view.

Your "experience" keeps being trumped by your apparent inability to censor yourself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2012, 10:12:21 AM
Just trying to increase the dialouge here. Thanks for the response D-Mac!

So much for the upset. Scranton was up 16-2 at one point and never looked back. Streaming looked good for the first time out.


Moravian also beat CUA on a last second shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2012, 10:44:17 AM
Dave,
  I also thought Lindsay was going to be a force inside,especially after 7 offensive rebounds in 1/2 game of playing time against the Royals last year. Didn't see anyone in league stopping him; he may have stopped himself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2012, 03:39:52 PM
ronk - he has clearly stopped himself. I really can't give you an explanation since I haven't talked to him personally. But I don't see the desire... the push... the drive to get better. I think he just expects to play well and now he is a non-factor. Heck, he isn't even starting (though Chris Shaw isn't doing much better, though he is a freshman). If Lindsay would get his head on straight and decide playing with conviction and playing like he is the best in the league, things could turn around quickly.

Not surprised with the Scranton outcome... Goucher has fought to get back into games, but they can also get out of a game quickly - reason I say I take it game by game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2012, 12:55:02 PM
A nice Double OT thriller at the Long Center as Scranton was trailing most of the game and game back to send the game to overtime with a Tommy Morgan lay up with about 5 seconds remaining. Not a bad game to have as their 2nd live streaming broadcast!


And how about Nick Jaskula with 11 points and 6 or so boards. Saw him drill a jumper from out beyond the foul line. Where have they been hiding this guy? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Funny. Goucher hasn't won since Dave Mac's sparkling review...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
Yep - and I don't remember the review being sparkling :-).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2012, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
Yep - and I don't remember the review being sparkling :-).

Chill, Dave. I'm busting you because I think you're an OK guy...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
Yeah - I figured... thus why I included a :-) at the end...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 15, 2012, 04:22:00 PM
DMac, I was listening to the WQSU broadcast last night. I assume that was you on the PA? If so, you have the voice of God.  ;D

I haven't seen the Crusaders in a month, so I'd be interested in your assessment of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Grove how is the electric city treating you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 18, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Wow you talk about love i see every year how D3hoops votes! They have North Central receiving 1 vote at 10-6 and Scranton who beat them or Lycoming who is 14-2 not receiving a vote tell me what that is all about?Go Royals 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Grove how is the electric city treating you?

Still in the 'grove. Mr. Grove has been on the new job two months, but he's still commuting. We haven't found a house yet, and worse yet, no one has looked at our house yet. But he really likes his new job. And we enjoyed First Night.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2012, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: augie on January 18, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Wow you talk about love i see every year how D3hoops votes! They have North Central receiving 1 vote at 10-6 and Scranton who beat them or Lycoming who is 14-2 not receiving a vote tell me what that is all about?Go Royals
Because just one voter decided to put North Central on his ballot in the #25 slot. That means none of the other 24 voters decided to vote for North Central, Scranton, or Lycoming... in other words... it isn't that big a deal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2012, 10:28:08 AM
North Central has certainly shown of late they could be worthy of votes:

12/30    vs. Manchester •    W, 62-38    BX
1/4    vs. Carthage * •    W, 73-50    BX RC
1/7    at Augustana * •    W, 67-62    BX RC
1/10    vs. Elmhurst * •    W, 70-56    BX RC
1/14    at Wheaton (Ill.) * •    L, 66-64    BX
1/17    vs. Illinois Wesleyan * •    W, 82-69    BX RC RC

Lycoming hasn't played anyone who is ranked. See your point on Scranton but they had their chance to beat Ramapo or Cabrini -- beating Cabrini would be comparable to beating Illinois Wesleyan or Augustana.

But Dave's right, it's a little overboard to be concerned about one vote.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 18, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Grove how is the electric city treating you?

Still in the 'grove. Mr. Grove has been on the new job two months, but he's still commuting. We haven't found a house yet, and worse yet, no one has looked at our house yet. But he really likes his new job. And we enjoyed First Night.  :)


Sorry, I should have use your full name "The Grove" =). Oh well, I thought you would be a Loyal Royal by now!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 18, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Grove how is the electric city treating you?

Still in the 'grove. Mr. Grove has been on the new job two months, but he's still commuting. We haven't found a house yet, and worse yet, no one has looked at our house yet. But he really likes his new job. And we enjoyed First Night.  :)


Sorry, I should have use your full name "The Grove" =). Oh well, I thought you would be a Loyal Royal by now!

You do realize that will NEVER happen, right? No matter where I live, I'll always bleed orange and maroon. Besides, Frank Marcinek would hunt me down.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
  Looks like it will take 4 consecutive road wins culminating @ Goucher in front of Dmac to push the Royals over the top, i.e., pick up an ORV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2012, 04:57:07 PM
I'm sure Dave knows that beating Goucher is not particularly unique. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
No... not unique... not close... going to have to have the game put away at halftime for me to think about the Royals in my Top 25 ;-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 15, 2012, 04:22:00 PM
DMac, I was listening to the WQSU broadcast last night. I assume that was you on the PA? If so, you have the voice of God.  ;D

I haven't seen the Crusaders in a month, so I'd be interested in your assessment of them.

*cough*
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Sorry Grove... forgot to get back to you. You did hear me in the background... voice of God? :)

Not a bad squad, but wasn't overally impressed. I honestly didn't think Goucher would be in the game with them, but as it went longer and longer, Juniata just didn't seem to be making good decisions. First half was a head-scratcher... but the second half was improved. This was also the half Goucher got out of sync... which helped.

Top scorers had ten points... leading rebounder had 8.

They had moments... Sekulski played okay, Scholly was alright, but honestly it was Hays that was the factor. He played a good game and had a stretch of baskets that helped get Juniata back in the game.

The problem was they didn't seem to really play more than maybe 20 good minutes... and shooting a decent number, they nearly lost to a Goucher team that shot really poorly, especially down the stretch (if Noble doesn't shoot 1-18 and 1-14 from beyond the arc in that game... shortly after a 40 point performance... Juniata may not come out of that with a win).

Now, I might have seen a bad game... but Juniata didn't jump out to me as being as good as their record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 01:51:30 AM
Juniata?! Was it getting a little late for ya, DMac?

And yes, voice of God. At one point Jack Burns paused and you just came booming over the air, clear as day.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
Susquehanna hands Scranton its first conference loss of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
They couldn't stop Mr. Spenser. Scranton 0-4 on the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
They couldn't stop Mr. Spencer. Scranton 0-4 on the road.

Fixed that for ya. (Though his first name IS Spenser.)  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2012, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
They couldn't stop Mr. Spencer. Scranton 0-4 on the road.

Fixed that for ya. (Though his first name IS Spenser.)  :)

Spenser Spenser? Incredible!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
At least I got your team right! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 21, 2012, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 21, 2012, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
They couldn't stop Mr. Spencer. Scranton 0-4 on the road.

Fixed that for ya. (Though his first name IS Spenser.)  :)

Spenser Spenser? Incredible!

Nope, S first, C second. Spenser Casanova Spencer.  ;D

And thanks, NEPA. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2012, 07:23:12 PM
Scranton 0-5 on the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 21, 2012, 08:20:03 PM
Ouch.

Susquehanna beat Moravian by 1 tonight. Four-way tie atop the standings now: Susquehanna, Catholic, Juniata, Scranton all at 5-2. Moravian just behind at 4-3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2012, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 20, 2012, 01:51:30 AM
Juniata?! Was it getting a little late for ya, DMac?

And yes, voice of God. At one point Jack Burns paused and you just came booming over the air, clear as day.  :)

Yeah - been a bit late a lot this time of year... and hope that booming voice didn't distract you :-).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2012, 09:53:41 AM
My gut tells me Scranton goes to 0-6 on the road on Friday night,  but with their recent dominance of Catholic who knows...


Speaking of Catholic , where did all their fans go?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 26, 2012, 03:40:52 PM
Yeah, where's Matt? Did Banzhaf graduate?  :)

Seriously, this is a pretty exciting race... where's the chatter??? I miss you guys!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
  With the home team winning each game in the 2nd half, the projected finish is

Catholic             9-5
Sus                   8-6
Scr                    7-7
Jun                    7-7
Mor                    7-7
Drew                  7-7
MMA                  6-8
Goucher             5-9

  Let's see how it plays out. Games this weekend expected to be very close except for Catholic.         
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2012, 03:59:58 PM
If Scranton doesn't start winning some games on the road, their reputation as the leader in NCAA "one & done" tournament games may be in serious jeopardy.
Blown out by Juniata...inexcusable!
My guess is the streak of wins over Catholic ends tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2012, 07:33:31 PM
No more video at Catholic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 27, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
Via Twitter: Scranton up on CUA 34-24 at the half. Susquehanna up on USMMA 36-25. Apparently bombing threes all over the place.

ETA: Crusaders win, 68-60.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
There was a Trae Lindsay sighting at Goucher!!!

Lindsay finished with 23 points... 11 rebounds... and a school and SRC record 9 blocks (previous 5 and 7 respectively).

Goucher just can't close out games right now... they made a furious comeback from down 17 late in the first half... even taking the lead late in the 2nd half... but unable to close the deal as Moravian won 68-65.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 26, 2012, 03:40:52 PM
Yeah, where's Matt? Did Banzhaf graduate?  :)

Seriously, this is a pretty exciting race... where's the chatter??? I miss you guys!

Well, I've been a bit busy...

http://www.loudoun.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=3998

Cheers to everyone! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 28, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
Wow, congrats Matt!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2012, 12:56:26 AM
Matt, we'll excuse your absence, as long as your priorities are in order. ;) The Cards needed you in attendance tonight to derail the hot-shooting Royals. Scranton played smartly on  offense alternating 3-pt bombs with take it to the hoop drives and good defensive effort, something that was missing @ Juniata last week.
  Off to Goucher tomorrow to impress Dave McHugh, Trae Kindsay, et al in a quest to secure an ORV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
ronk - you know that ORV isn't getting anywhere with a win over Goucher, despite a win over Catholic, thanks to the two you lost to Susquehanna and Juniata (who I wasn't impressed with).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
And Matt, you telling us you can't multitask??? I am disappointed to here that! :)

Just kidding, congrats. I am sure you are beyond busy now... but certainly look like you are doing things you love... that is all that matters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 28, 2012, 10:15:52 PM
Looks like Scranton's shaking off its road woes. A 2-0 weekend puts them at 7-2, alone atop the Landmark. Three others sit right behind them at 6-3. So, not much shakes out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2012, 10:31:16 PM
Watched the game tonight. Can't believe Goucher doesn't have a conference victory yet, they played hard in both games this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 29, 2012, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
ronk - you know that ORV isn't getting anywhere with a win over Goucher, despite a win over Catholic, thanks to the two you lost to Susquehanna and Juniata (who I wasn't impressed with).

Oh wow! Bless me Father for I have sinned....oh wait, you sound like him but.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2012, 10:31:16 PM
Watched the game tonight. Can't believe Goucher doesn't have a conference victory yet, they played hard in both games this weekend.
They can't close games... that is their biggest Achilles Heal. If they could close in the final minutes, they would be much better in this league. Also, if Lindsay played as well all season as he did this weekend, it would be a different story. He has had no drive this season and finally showed up this weekend... I think that may be the biggest disappointment of the season, so far, for the Gophers.

I HATE saying this kind of thing, but their record I don't think represents how good they are... but until they finish games and play a full 40 minutes, it is going to be tough for the Gophers to get wins. However, they are playing better basketball in the last few weeks then I saw in the middle of the season... so maybe next weekend :-).

Also, does anyone want to win the Landmark? Everyone is stumbling, even Scranton will probably say they got away with a win over Goucher... to take first place in the conference. I like what Scranton did on the court, but they may have been exhausted after preparing for Catholic. Right now I think Moravian is the sleeper in this conference and Susquehanna could also end up on top. Scranton has some good weapons (Swaback, especially), but there is plenty of basketball still to be played in the next three weekends.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 29, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
I was wondering that myself, D-Mac. It looks like to end up in the top 4, teams will have to win out at home and eke out at couple of road wins. If a team can get a road sweep one weekend, that could decide it. And that seems to be asking a lot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2012, 04:35:32 PM
By the way - great meeting some of this board's posters over the weekend... nice to put faces to names... and nice to see ronk once again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 30, 2012, 02:34:43 PM
I find it amusing, yet irritating that Lord Thy God smites me whenever I make a post like this....I considered putting a blurb in a column just for laughs but space is at a high premium these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
cold_case... who are you talking about? Because if God is actually able to smite and applaud us... I would love to chat with him :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 30, 2012, 02:34:43 PM
I find it amusing, yet irritating that Lord Thy God smites me whenever I make a post like this....I considered putting a blurb in a column just for laughs but space is at a high premium these days.

MySQL returned an empty result set (i.e. zero rows). ( Query took 0.0003 sec )
SELECT *
FROM `log_karma`
WHERE `target` =2506
LIMIT 0 , 30

No new smites on your ID number, actually.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
CC,
I didn't want you to be disappointed, so I just smited you.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2012, 08:05:52 PM
Dmac:

I think The Grove is still waiting for your take on Susquehanna!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 30, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2012, 08:05:52 PM
Dmac:

I think The Grove is still waiting for your take on Susquehanna!!!

Well, I have seen them since asking.  ;D But sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
HA - thanks for the reminder... I think Susquehanna (as I mentioned the other day) is a team to watch out for in this conference. They have some tough parts to deal with that just haven't been able to come together consistently this season (i.e. losses in games like Drew are puzzlers).

Spenser Spencer is a tough competitor (started every game in his career) and can sometimes put the team on his shoulders and win a game. Harley Sellinger is a tough match-up inside who many struggle to stop (he is shooting .558 this season with 7.0 rpg) and J.T. Wilson (or on someone's stat sheet, Watson) has that outside touch that will cause problems for anyone doubling Sellinger or Spencer.

The problem is, they have who I think is the toughest team in the conference, Moravian, and a team that seems to just find ways to win when the chips are down, Scranton, on their schedule next week. I honestly think they have to go 2-0 on the road (!) to have a chance to play in the post-season... or they may have to sweep Goucher, Catholic, and Juniata (luckily all at home) to stay in the hunt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
Looking at the standings, it appears Scranton can really distance themselves from the rest of the pack with a weekend sweep. Then again, they have looked a gift horse in the mouth before.
What ever happened to posters like Ned Flanders, Lusty Larry and Jaggs?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 03, 2012, 08:44:27 PM
Sounds like a heckuva battle going on in Bethlehem tonight. Following Daily Item sports editor Bill Bowman on Twitter; lead keeps changing hands.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 05, 2012, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 03, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
Looking at the standings, it appears Scranton can really distance themselves from the rest of the pack with a weekend sweep. Then again, they have looked a gift horse in the mouth before.
What ever happened to posters like Ned Flanders, Lusty Larry and Jaggs?
Greetings from a UC fan.  I saw this post (as i regularly check out non Centennial Boards) and wanted to respond.  Yesterday i met a friend at the Muhlenberg/F&M game and around halftime we met a few F&M fans, one claiming he used to post on this site as Larry.  According to him, he was banned from this site for no reason.  It was actually quite comical, but since he also lives in the Northern NJ area as an accountant, we exchanged business cards and hopefully i'll get some referrals out of this.  Not sure why the mods would ban someone from a message board, he claimed it was only because he was an F&M fan but i gotta believe the mods wouldnt be that petty. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2012, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 05, 2012, 08:44:50 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 03, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
Looking at the standings, it appears Scranton can really distance themselves from the rest of the pack with a weekend sweep. Then again, they have looked a gift horse in the mouth before.
What ever happened to posters like Ned Flanders, Lusty Larry and Jaggs?
Greetings from a UC fan.  I saw this post (as i regularly check out non Centennial Boards) and wanted to respond.  Yesterday i met a friend at the Muhlenberg/F&M game and around halftime we met a few F&M fans, one claiming he used to post on this site as Larry.  According to him, he was banned from this site for no reason.  It was actually quite comical, but since he also lives in the Northern NJ area as an accountant, we exchanged business cards and hopefully i'll get some referrals out of this.  Not sure why the mods would ban someone from a message board, he claimed it was only because he was an F&M fan but i gotta believe the mods wouldnt be that petty.

I found out that Jags got banned for being disgusting, Ned simply stopped posting and two people told me that Lusty didn't do a thing. The two who told me also stopped posting...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Jags was years ago -- board was pretty wild then, completely different place. I'm sure anyone who's upset about being banned will say it was for no reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Jags was years ago -- board was pretty wild then, completely different place. I'm sure anyone who's upset about being banned will say it was for no reason.

Yeah, but this board can't afford to lose anymore brethren.
BTW, it was me who asked you to ban Jags after he made awful remarks about my late mom. Thanks for that. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2012, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Jags was years ago -- board was pretty wild then, completely different place. I'm sure anyone who's upset about being banned will say it was for no reason.

Yeah, but this board can't afford to lose anymore brethren.
BTW, it was me who asked you to ban Jags after he made awful remarks about my late mom. Thanks for that. :)

Now we are brethren? Didn't know Jags attacked you like that , I think he was Colonel John's mentor...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2012, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Jags was years ago -- board was pretty wild then, completely different place. I'm sure anyone who's upset about being banned will say it was for no reason.

Yeah, but this board can't afford to lose anymore brethren.
BTW, it was me who asked you to ban Jags after he made awful remarks about my late mom. Thanks for that. :)

Or maybe he is Jags???????  :)

Now we are brethren? Didn't know Jags attacked you like that , I think he was Colonel John's mentor...

Or maybe it's Colonel John??? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2012, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 07, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2012, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Jags was years ago -- board was pretty wild then, completely different place. I'm sure anyone who's upset about being banned will say it was for no reason.

Yeah, but this board can't afford to lose anymore brethren.
BTW, it was me who asked you to ban Jags after he made awful remarks about my late mom. Thanks for that. :)

Or maybe he is Jags???????  :)

Now we are brethren? Didn't know Jags attacked you like that , I think he was Colonel John's mentor...

Or maybe it's Colonel John??? :)



Hahaha. I doubt it. Speaking of long time posters where has Saratoga gone? He used to give predictions on Royal games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2012, 08:51:18 PM
   Saratoga's still around; I was with him at the Goucher game. He's probably waiting for a change in the Royals' play since his previous comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
I can definitely tell you Colonel John and Jags were not the same person. :) But seriously, we have always been on the watch for split personalities, and they did not share an IP address.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2012, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
I can definitely tell you Colonel John and Jags were not the same person. :) But seriously, we have always been on the watch for split personalities, and they did not share an IP address.

The Colonel is probably busy filling prescriptions. I remember a game I did between Wilkes and King's a few years back when CJ yelled a profane remark at the ref directly behind the Wilkes bench. The official thought it was coach Jerry Rckrode and tossed him. Funny stuff ....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2012, 10:42:18 AM
"If you can't go to college go to Wilkes!"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2012, 10:42:18 AM
"If you can't go to college go to Wilkes!"

You are offering no basketball insight. I am telling dave!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Does the Merchant Marines still do video for their broadcasts?


The video stream and glorious play by by styling of Dean Corwin have spoiled me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2012, 10:17:22 AM
No, NEPAFAN... for starters they do not have an SID, right now... and secondly, I was told by a parent of a USMMA player that for budget reasons the video broadcasts were cut out (which is sad, considering how cheap these are and how you can stream for free with Ustream).

Anyway... no video and no live stats for games at USMMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 09, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
How much would a live stream cost??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
Depends on the service you choose... Ustream is free (because the viewer does see ads pop up from the bottom and occassionally a full ad runs during the broadcast)... Stretch and other services cost money.

There is the cost of the equipment and probably the student(s) to run the broadcast... but who knows how that works at USMMA.

So, really it depends on what you are want to do for streaming and the quality of the stream. It can be several hundred dollars... to several thousand.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 09, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
Who cares about no video! No SID?! Egads.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2012, 01:39:55 PM
Believe the SID left near the beginning of the season... or before the end of 2011... but don't quote me.

I know that visiting SID's have been helping out doing stats for the school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 09, 2012, 02:20:56 PM
Maybe someone can answer this because i am confused by the regional guidelines.They have Keystone at 17-3 even though they played Rochester in N.Y. They seem that they never counted that as a regional loss according to the NCAA guidelines if they play in region 2 which would be the state of N.Y and Pa. that would be a regional game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2012, 02:46:07 PM
It was nice being able to meet Dave for a brief moment a few weeks back while the Royals were visiting Goucher. Looks like little 'd-mac' was leading a few fast breaks of his own during the game. Enjoy these years, they are most certainly fleeting!
Also great to see Ronk again & gain his insight regarding recruiting etc.
The Royals are still a bit of an enigma. When you think they've got it going in all aspects, they get clocked by Susquehanna & Juniata. Then you think maybe they'll come out of the DC./Baltimore trip @ .500 & they sweep...hard to get a true pulse of where they're at week to week.
Regarding the Regional rankings...I think there is certainly a case for the Royals to be included provided they take care of business this weekend.
On another topic...how about the G-Town/Syracuse game & the unbelievable finish to Duke/Carolina? The Dookies are never out... just ask Pitino.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 09, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 09, 2012, 02:46:07 PM
It was nice being able to meet Dave for a brief moment a few weeks back while the Royals were visiting Goucher. Looks like little 'd-mac' was leading a few fast breaks of his own during the game. Enjoy these years, they are most certainly fleeting!
Also great to see Ronk again & gain his insight regarding recruiting etc.
The Royals are still a bit of an enigma. When you think they've got it going in all aspects, they get clocked by Susquehanna & Juniata. Then you think maybe they'll come out of the DC./Baltimore trip @ .500 & they sweep...hard to get a true pulse of where they're at week to week.
Regarding the Regional rankings...I think there is certainly a case for the Royals to be included provided they take care of business this weekend.
On another topic...how about the G-Town/Syracuse game & the unbelievable finish to Duke/Carolina? The Dookies are never out... just ask Pitino.

Jack, are you referring to that NCAA tourney game when Duke blew a 20-pt. lead then needed a buzzer beater to win? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2012, 03:32:38 PM
Quote from: augie on February 09, 2012, 02:20:56 PM
Maybe someone can answer this because i am confused by the regional guidelines.They have Keystone at 17-3 even though they played Rochester in N.Y. They seem that they never counted that as a regional loss according to the NCAA guidelines if they play in region 2 which would be the state of N.Y and Pa. that would be a regional game.

Records are also through Sunday, so the Gwynedd-Mercy game isn't part of this ranking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2012, 04:02:20 PM
  We have the possibility but not the probability of double-headers on the 1st night of conference playoffs of Moravian @ Juniata(Men #3/#2, women #4/#1) and Catholic @ Scranton(Men #4/#1, women #3/#2) if Scranton ladies win a coin flip. Four schools absent under this scenario- not the way conference competition is envisioned for bball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
Scranton wins at MMA still no box. CUA and Moravian both lose.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 10, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Susquehanna took down Goucher at home. If they beat CUA tomorrow (a tall order), they clinch a playoff spot.

Oh, and D-Mac, with all due respect... I realize ya'll don't have cheerleaders, but you might want to explain to your men's team and coaches that it's not terribly kosher to walk back and forth in front of a cheerleading squad, or to walk behind them (squeezing yourself behind the back line and the wall) WHILE they are cheering, nor to stand on top of them whilst waiting for the end of the women's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2012, 11:40:03 AM
   Some big games today - there's still the possibility of a 3 or 4-way tie at 8-6 or 7-7.
     As I have mentioned in the past, there was a season 6 or so years ago when, with a week to go, there could have been a 5-way tie at 9-5 for 1st place in the MAC-F and one of the teams would have been excluded from the conference tourney and the NCAA automatic bid. Therefore, I propose a change to the number of teams in the postseason to include whatever number greater than 4 that would include all teams tied for 1st like 5 at 9-5 or 6/7 at 8-6 or all 8 at 8-8.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 10, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Susquehanna took down Goucher at home. If they beat CUA tomorrow (a tall order), they clinch a playoff spot.

Oh, and D-Mac, with all due respect... I realize ya'll don't have cheerleaders, but you might want to explain to your men's team and coaches that it's not terribly kosher to walk back and forth in front of a cheerleading squad, or to walk behind them (squeezing yourself behind the back line and the wall) WHILE they are cheering, nor to stand on top of them whilst waiting for the end of the women's game.
You actually think I have any control on the coaching staff at Goucher? You go right ahead and talk to them yourself... you have that right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
Scranton wins at MMA still no box. CUA and Moravian both lose.
Reminder... no SID at USMMA right now... but there is a box score available (since most of he Landmark schools are Presto sites): http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2011-12/boxscores/20120210_sgpq.xml (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2011-12/boxscores/20120210_sgpq.xml)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 11, 2012, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 10, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Susquehanna took down Goucher at home. If they beat CUA tomorrow (a tall order), they clinch a playoff spot.

Oh, and D-Mac, with all due respect... I realize ya'll don't have cheerleaders, but you might want to explain to your men's team and coaches that it's not terribly kosher to walk back and forth in front of a cheerleading squad, or to walk behind them (squeezing yourself behind the back line and the wall) WHILE they are cheering, nor to stand on top of them whilst waiting for the end of the women's game.
You actually think I have any control on the coaching staff at Goucher? You go right ahead and talk to them yourself... you have that right.

I thought the Voice of God might have some influence.  ;D

Crusaders lock up their spot with a win over CUA at home. I love that Catholic still rocks the 70s-style Globetrotter-esque warmups.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
  If Susque beats Juniata, then I think Susque would win a tie-breaker and host because of 2 wins over MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
Merchant Marine and Landmark fans, Coach Danny Nee will appear on Hoopsville in our "#whyd3" segment tonight.

Show starts at 7:00 PM EST and Coach Nee should appear around 8 PM EST.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
In case you missed the segment with Coach Danny Nee from Merchant Marine on Hoopsville, you can watch on the archive: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12)

Coach Nee is near the end of the show... about two hours in.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2012, 11:59:44 PM
  Sounds like Coach Nee intends to be a factor in the Landmark with his optimism about his 1st recruiting class. Also interesting was the accommodations made for MMA next season with their Wednesday home games and multiple December conference games, presumably, at least one after semester exams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 12:14:49 AM
Yeah... that leads me to beleive we will have a schedule that is rather redundant every season and local rivals (i.e. Goucher-Catholic) might be regulated to playing during the week, only.

I have said this before, but there are many other conferences that play on Friday/Saturday (NESCAC, ASC, SUNYAC, etc.) and the fact the Landmark is going away from it is a mistake. The simple fact that a "possible" trip from DC to NYC during the middle of the week could happen isn't fair for anyone. And for me, the excuse that playing on back-to-back nights isn't fair doesn't hold water for me. This works in other conferences... and teams figure it out. And this is just one of the issues I have developed recently... don't get me started on the men's and women's game times plan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2012, 01:24:34 PM
Dave: Couldn't agree more.
The Landmark has the schedules posted for the next 2 years & the Wed's./Sat. schedule is certainly a different animal.
It would be nice to know where this idea originated & whether or not all teams were in favor of the change.
I know I've heard there is one school in particular that was whining about the cost of travel (inclusive of hotels) for the past few years.
I've always felt that the league schedule was a great way of prepairing for the NCAA post season where you are also playing back to back games...provided you ever win the first one!  :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 02:15:00 PM
The Friday/Saturday schedule also had less impact on academics! The Wednesday schedule could have a larger impact since the team is arriving back that night from a night game... which could affect Thursday!

My problem with the Landmark is they haven't had anyone just put their foot down (they are in the process of finding a new conference commissioner)... they are constantly changing things per the whims or complaints of what I perceive as the few - though, I can't say that with any facts behind it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2012, 05:18:36 PM
I am for the Weds/Sat split, and I think if you polled most of the Coaches and Players they would be too. They kill their whole weekends with these trips, and yes, I think game play suffers on the second day. I also like having games spread out a bit as a fan.


I can't stand the women and men flip flopping start times. Awful and I will leave it at that.  I don't think I need to go into more detail.

Forgive me for being blunt, but how is Scranton-Moravian or Catholic-Goucher being hurt by moving to Weds? These games aren't selling out on Saturday nights....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
But they certainly won't sell out on Wednesdays... if they are always on Wednesdays... thinking long term versus short.

Also, these are student-athletes and ruining their weekend with basketball is better than ruining their academic schedule for one whole day, if not two with long trips in the middle of the week.

The Landmark Conference is supposed to be made up of "like-minded institutions" which I have always read as being schools having trouble competing against public institutions and taking academics maybe a bit more seriously. If that is the case, I have always felt they have tried to model themselves a little bit after the NESCACs and UAAs of Division III... and in that case, switching the schedule to mid-week games flies in the face of that mentality.

As for switching game times... next year it will be women playing the second game of all double-headers in all sports (i.e. soccer or others) with the men playing second the following year. I liked the UAA basketball set-up, men play the second game on night one, women on night (day) two. Seems pretty fair to split games like that. Might not work easily for sports like soccer, but it could be worked out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

I even have a platform, lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

LC = Lackawanna County?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
Yeah - well I know the search is on!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 14, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

LC = Lackawanna County?

Landmine Conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 14, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

LC = Lackawanna County?

Landmine Conference.

Left hander knew that. He was just being witty ...  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
  A Goucher coed finished 2nd tonight in the Jeopardy college tourney, so the Landmark breaks the streak of one and done.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2012, 11:48:34 PM
Very nice ronk... well played.

Yep... she did pretty well... and smoked a Duke guy and a George Washington guy in the semi-finals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

I even have a platform, lol


This should be good.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2012, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

I even have a platform, lol


This should be good.....

Let's put aside the commish talk and get on with the playoff situation (of which Goucher, the league's future, according to one prognosticator, is not a part of.....again) .... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2012, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

I even have a platform, lol


This should be good.....

Let's put aside the commish talk and get on with the playoff situation (of which Goucher, the league's future, according to one prognosticator, is not a part of.....again) .... ;D ;D ;D


So if Scranton beats Moravian they will play again the following Weds in the first round?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
cold_case... Goucher could knock Catholic out of a playoff spot... and it is really time to move on in life.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2012, 11:32:48 AM
  My sense is that Catholic and MMA are eliminated already because Moravian wins a tiebreaker with MMA and/or CUA even losing to Scranton Saturday. Haven't done a tiebreaker yet between Scranton and Juniata for Moravian's opponent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
Possible - but a discussion I had with a coach today gave me an indication that Catholic still had a chance - but I haven't done the entire breakdown since there are SO many factors in play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 15, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2012, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
DMAC,


Both I and Cold_Case have applied numerous times for the vacancy for LC Commissioner. We haven't received a call back just yet...

I even have a platform, lol


This should be good.....

Let's put aside the commish talk and get on with the playoff situation (of which Goucher, the league's future, according to one prognosticator, is not a part of.....again) .... ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, cause I have the job locked up!!!  ;D

All I know on my end is that Susquehanna is in, but there are million different scenarios as to who the opponent will be. They could shake out as high as #2 (please God... I want one more home game).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
The real question is whether anyone can knock Scranton out and have a new representative in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
  My take:
    Scr and Jun win - Scr hosts Mor, Jun hosts Sus
    Mor and Jun win - Jun hosts Mor, Scr hosts Sus
    Sus win - Scr hosts Mor; Sus hosts Jun, if MMA wins; Jun hosts Sus, if Drew wins
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
If a Landmark team other than Scranton gets in , they are going to make a run in the NCAAs. Much to the chagrin of the Scranton contingent on this board. It is just the way life works.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
If a Landmark team other than Scranton gets in , they are going to make a run in the NCAAs. Much to the chagrin of the Scranton contingent on this board. It is just the way life works.  ;D

Can't wait to find out ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
My biggest fear...if you can't win on the home court of a team that's won an astounding 6 games all year, how well do you really think you're going to do on the home court of an NCAA host team that will have over 20 wins?
Then again...kids are resilient.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
My biggest fear...if you can't win on the home court of a team that's won an astounding 6 games all year, how well do you really think you're going to do on the home court of an NCAA host team that will have over 20 wins?
Then again...kids are resilient.

They got robbed on that call at the end of the game. Now you are going to say they should have been in the lead all game, but they fought back in the second half and would have had the ball up 1 with 20 seconds left, but Hawk got called for a foul away from the ball after Drew missed a 3.

They couldn't stop Capers either.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
NEPA: No, I am not saying or implying the Royals should have "been in the lead all game".
I am saying that in any game there are going to be runs & lead changes however, when the final horn sounds, if you expect to be an NCAA tournament team, you better have the lead when it counts when playing a team with 6 wins.
Nobody knows any better than I do how horrible that call was (I was there) but, the Royals still came back & got the lead & yet again, as you stated, had no answer of how to stop Capers.
Last year his talent level took many teams by surprise...this year there is no excuse not to be ready.
The call on Luke Hawk was just plain horrible. If anything, there may have been a foul after the shot but that should have put their kid on the line shooting 2 rather than the 3 he received.
However, the Royals blew at least 5 layups & a fair share of free throws. The game was closer than it had to be & with the nonsense of dealing with phantom calls all day, the outcome really wasn't a surprise.
It's pretty obvious the Royals have been very bad on the road this season. If they want to get into the show, winning at Moravian, in a huge game for the Greyhounds & before a hostile crowd, will be a great first step.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 16, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
NEPA: No, I am not saying or implying the Royals should have "been in the lead all game".
I am saying that in any game there are going to be runs & lead changes however, when the final horn sounds, if you expect to be an NCAA tournament team, you better have the lead when it counts when playing a team with 6 wins.
Nobody knows any better than I do how horrible that call was (I was there) but, the Royals still came back & got the lead & yet again, as you stated, had no answer of how to stop Capers.
Last year his talent level took many teams by surprise...this year there is no excuse not to be ready.
The call on Luke Hawk was just plain horrible. If anything, there may have been a foul after the shot but that should have put their kid on the line shooting 2 rather than the 3 he received.
However, the Royals blew at least 5 layups & a fair share of free throws. The game was closer than it had to be & with the nonsense of dealing with phantom calls all day, the outcome really wasn't a surprise.
It's pretty obvious the Royals have been very bad on the road this season. If they want to get into the show, winning at Moravian, in a huge game for the Greyhounds & before a hostile crowd, will be a great first step.


Did someone get tossed from the game in the second half behind the bench? Looked that way from the video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
Yes.
From what I understand, the Drew AD brought out his former Mall cop ID to supress the Scranton fans obvious disdain for the call on Luke.  He attempted his very best Dirty Harry impression.
It was a total failure.
Madison, NJ was on a code red lock down all night.  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
  Things were getting out-of-hand with all these road victories in the Landmark this year; they DREW their line in the sand.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2012, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 16, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
NEPA: No, I am not saying or implying the Royals should have "been in the lead all game".
I am saying that in any game there are going to be runs & lead changes however, when the final horn sounds, if you expect to be an NCAA tournament team, you better have the lead when it counts when playing a team with 6 wins.
Nobody knows any better than I do how horrible that call was (I was there) but, the Royals still came back & got the lead & yet again, as you stated, had no answer of how to stop Capers.
Last year his talent level took many teams by surprise...this year there is no excuse not to be ready.
The call on Luke Hawk was just plain horrible. If anything, there may have been a foul after the shot but that should have put their kid on the line shooting 2 rather than the 3 he received.
However, the Royals blew at least 5 layups & a fair share of free throws. The game was closer than it had to be & with the nonsense of dealing with phantom calls all day, the outcome really wasn't a surprise.
It's pretty obvious the Royals have been very bad on the road this season. If they want to get into the show, winning at Moravian, in a huge game for the Greyhounds & before a hostile crowd, will be a great first step.

'toga, you mean Scranton's run to the final four in 1977 was bogus because they lost to a three-win King's team?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 17, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
So... big games in the Landmark tomorrow. Predictions??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2012, 04:00:00 PM
Scranton, MMA, Susquehanna, and Catholic win and we get to replay on Wed Mor @ Scr and Jun @ Sus
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2012, 04:39:13 PM
CC: Hardly bogus.
And, when the Scranton/Drew rivalry takes on the same intensity of Scranton/Kings from that era...I'll look the other way.
Till then, a bad loss. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
Drew over MMA
Catholic over Goucher
Juniata over Susquehanna
And, until the Royals show they can win on the road...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2012, 08:58:20 AM
MMA
CUA
SU
UOFS


All winners.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
Despite Catholic not being in the conference tournament this year, I like what I see in their team for the next few seasons. They will lose Darrell Carroll and Andy Roell... but the youth on this team are going to make a big difference.

I could see Shawn Holmes at the point with Derek Puhalski a solid back-up or starter himself. Billy Donovan at the other guard with Nate Koenig (injury, right?) also good in that role. Steve Limberiou on the wing along with Nelson Mendez will cause plenty of match-up problems. You then have Chris Kearney and Jared Prince in the four slot. And then I think you start Pete Schramm in the middle, but can supplement well with Matt Stone (he has a lot of potential) and Nate Lorence.

They seem to play well together and have threats from many different points on the floor. Donovan can even slide to the point if CUA wants to get a bigger look - he can handle and you can't step off of him because he will hurt you from 15 feet or so. Limberiou has a great stroke from outside and get step into the mid-post area and is quick enough to create opportunities there. Mendez needs to find where his shot will be the best, but he is quick and will be tough of the first step or dribble. Schramm played a great game last night on both ends of the court and can dominate on the boards, which is key for the Cards.

Of course, defense is very good. Saw a lot of 2-3 last night, no surprise there, but they executed very well. I actually saw a lot of zone yesterday as I called two games at McDaniel in the Centennial as well, and in those three games I saw quite a bit of well executed, well coordinated zone defenses with Catholic providing it's usual solid best (though, against an offense that basically had checked out of the game).

As for Goucher... who knows what the future is at this point.The team didn't rise to the occasion of not only a "rival," but also the last game for two four-year letter winners. I have seen signs through out the season of what could be good players, but they will disappear in another game. They don't know how to play consistent... there is no floor-leader... I have seen better communication in Congress recently than I have seen from Goucher's players on the floor... and guys who should dominate, like Trae Lindsay, apparently don't feel like playing hard for even 20 minutes, let alone 30 or more. There are a bunch of athletic players on the Gophers squad, but I would like to see more guys with high basketball IQ's. I just don't know what the future is for a team that showed no heart last night pretty much from the opening tip.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2012, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
Drew over MMA
Catholic over Goucher
Juniata over Susquehanna
And, until the Royals show they can win on the road...

Moravian over Scranton???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2012, 02:53:18 PM
Great game in Bethlehem yesterday, including Tommy Morgan throwing one down. Danzig with 28 pts and 9 boards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2012, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
Despite Catholic not being in the conference tournament this year, I like what I see in their team for the next few seasons. They will lose Darrell Carroll and Andy Roell... but the youth on this team are going to make a big difference.
I could see Shawn Holmes at the point with Derek Puhalski a solid back-up or starter himself. Billy Donovan at the other guard with Nate Koenig (injury, right?) also good in that role. Steve Limberiou on the wing along with Nelson Mendez will cause plenty of match-up problems. You then have Chris Kearney and Jared Prince in the four slot. And then I think you start Pete Schramm in the middle, but can supplement well with Matt Stone (he has a lot of potential) and Nate Lorence.
They seem to play well together and have threats from many different points on the floor. Donovan can even slide to the point if CUA wants to get a bigger look - he can handle and you can't step off of him because he will hurt you from 15 feet or so. Limberiou has a great stroke from outside and get step into the mid-post area and is quick enough to create opportunities there. Mendez needs to find where his shot will be the best, but he is quick and will be tough of the first step or dribble. Schramm played a great game last night on both ends of the court and can dominate on the boards, which is key for the Cards.
Of course, defense is very good. Saw a lot of 2-3 last night, no surprise there, but they executed very well. I actually saw a lot of zone yesterday as I called two games at McDaniel in the Centennial as well, and in those three games I saw quite a bit of well executed, well coordinated zone defenses with Catholic providing it's usual solid best (though, against an offense that basically had checked out of the game).

Here we .....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2012, 08:08:45 PM
Scranton up at the half and Juniata up 5 with about 11 minutes left.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Players from Emmaus and Parkland were there. At least that's what thier jackets said...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2012, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Players from Emmaus and Parkland were there. At least that's what thier jackets said...
They're fans of Moravian. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2012, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Players from Emmaus and Parkland were there. At least that's what thier jackets said...
They're fans of Moravian. ;)

LOL, trust me, no. One lives two blocks from me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
Like the video and radio being synced up for the game. DJ Strayhorn and Cullinan are nice players.


Swaback is hurt, which seems to be a trend for the Royals. Injuries at the end of the year, I remember on year Paul Hawk got hurt before their NCAA tourny game, and there is another injury that is escaping me.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 23, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Biagioli ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: BCannon on February 23, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Biagioli ?

Yes, what can I do for you?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: BCannon on February 23, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Biagioli ?

Might have been....I was thinking Juniata's victory might have brought you out of the woodwork!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
As posted on the womens board:

I understand Scranton showed mucho class yesterday. It was learned that the Catholic gals requested a shoot-around at Scranton's gym early in the day but Scranton said NO!
CUA eventually called King's who said "come on down," so they had their shoot-around in Wilkes-Barre.
Stay classy, Scranton!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 23, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: BCannon on February 23, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Biagioli ?

Might have been....I was thinking Juniata's victory might have brought you out of the woodwork!

I have continued to follow just wasn't much conversation that I could comment on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2012, 04:36:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
As posted on the womens board:

I understand Scranton showed mucho class yesterday. It was learned that the Catholic gals requested a shoot-around at Scranton's gym early in the day but Scranton said NO!
CUA eventually called King's who said "come on down," so they had their shoot-around in Wilkes-Barre.
Stay classy, Scranton!

Since this is the conference tournament, the Landmark should just have a rule about it one way or the other and make the request a non-issue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Thus a problem with the conference... no one puts their foot down and decrees these types of things... maybe the new commissioner will make these types of decisions... there is too much of this kind of stuff going on in all areas.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Thus a problem with the conference... no one puts their foot down and decrees these types of things... maybe the new commissioner will make these types of decisions... there is too much of this kind of stuff going on in all areas.

I already caught flack for posting facts. Not being a wise guy but ask me if I care?
It was wrong and someone should be held accountable!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2012, 05:17:59 PM
cold_case - I am not following your response... you seem to care enough to post the information. And I agree... there should be accountability and there should be someone, like Pat mentioned, who has already said this is how these things are going to work... not only in the conference tournament... but in conference games, period.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
Cold case: I'm certainly not an apologist for the current Scranton Athletic Dept. however, there are generally two sides to every story.
Since Scranton was hosting both a womens & mens game, how do you know the time requested by Catholic was not already reserved for one of the Royal teams?
What if Moravian called a day earlier & requested that time slot & they were penciled in?
Perhaps your inside scoop is correct & the Scranton hierarchy did act like jerks.
However, my instinct tells me any such request by a member school would not be so easily dismissed with such a resounding negitive response.
I'll be waiting for Paul Harvey to clear your scoop up with, "The Rest of the Story".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2012, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 23, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
I'll be waiting for Paul Harvey to clear your scoop up with, "The Rest of the Story".

Ah, flashbacks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 23, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
Cold case: I'm certainly not an apologist for the current Scranton Athletic Dept. however, there are generally two sides to every story.
Since Scranton was hosting both a womens & mens game, how do you know the time requested by Catholic was not already reserved for one of the Royal teams?
What if Moravian called a day earlier & requested that time slot & they were penciled in?
Perhaps your inside scoop is correct & the Scranton hierarchy did act like jerks.
However, my instinct tells me any such request by a member school would not be so easily dismissed with such a resounding negitive response.
I'll be waiting for Paul Harvey to clear your scoop up with, "The Rest of the Story".

Mr. Harvey, you sound apologetic.
I'll take the NY Times approach..."All the news that's fit to print."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 07:12:06 PM
Did you sources give you an update on if Swaback plays on Saturday night?


Congrats to Scranton on making the Landmark Conference final for the 5th straight year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 07:12:06 PM
Did you sources give you an update on if Swaback plays on Saturday night?


Congrats to Scranton on making the Landmark Conference final for the 5th straight year!

  I'll SPECULATE that he's going to be too sore to be effective.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
I highly doubt he will play. Besides, how long will he last with the thugs Juniata has? The Moravian kid blantantly leveled him and no foul was called and that was just a semifinal...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
My sources tell me that at this very moment, Matt is in the whirlpool smoking a cigar & getting a massage from two female exchange students from the Czech Rebublic.
He's good for 20!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
"Miracle Worker Robbie" is not the trainer anymore ... >:( >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2012, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
I highly doubt he will play. Besides, how long will he last with the thugs Juniata has? The Moravian kid blantantly leveled him and no foul was called and that was just a semifinal...


This should be good. What is thuggish about Juniata?


Ross Danzig, Rookie of the Year! Congrats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2012, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
I highly doubt he will play. Besides, how long will he last with the thugs Juniata has? The Moravian kid blantantly leveled him and no foul was called and that was just a semifinal...


This should be good. What is thuggish about Juniata?


Ross Danzig, Rookie of the Year! Congrats!

And this Juniata question comes from a fan that had no idea the Scranton women only brought in one frosh of worth and Strong retired two years ago ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2012, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2012, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
I highly doubt he will play. Besides, how long will he last with the thugs Juniata has? The Moravian kid blantantly leveled him and no foul was called and that was just a semifinal...


This should be good. What is thuggish about Juniata?


Ross Danzig, Rookie of the Year! Congrats!

And this Juniata question comes from a fan that had no idea the Scranton women only brought in one frosh of worth and Strong retired two years ago ...

I don't follow Women's Basketball, do you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2012, 02:11:42 PM
Back to Men's Basketball, according to the Scranton Times, Swaback is going to give it a go tonight.


I'll be watching on the school's Ustream channel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2012, 10:09:27 PM

Hoping for a Scranton-York & Messiah-F&M regional and Miseri-St. Mary's & PSU-Hbg-Cabrini regional
Matt was a big factor. Nice to see a crowd in the gym.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
Congrats to the coaching staff and players. Nice to see video after last years fiasco.


I hope the royals don't get sent up to New England again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Scranton go north to the East Region... or to William Paterson... maybe stay "local" at F&M or Cabrini... could be interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2012, 08:46:23 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Scranton go north to the East Region... or to William Paterson... maybe stay "local" at F&M or Cabrini... could be interesting.

It's been a prerequisite for decades that F&M hosts...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 26, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
Another ancient-alien theory type comment that ignores facts (CC must be a big follower of the History Channel's Georgio Tsoukalos).  Recently F&M has been sent to such friendly outposts as Merchant Marines/St. Mary's and Virginia Wesleyan. If I remember correctly CC and friends are still upset about a 1st round paring in 1987 where they got discarded by a tough host Widener team when they thought they should have been gifted F&M's opponent ?Allegheny. Thus they hold a horrible grudge ever since & unwarranted rude comments are the norm. In the last 15 years Dips have been the victim of anything but friendly treatment by NCAA certainly not favorable. Even though they deserve to host this year they may well not be picked. It would be nice to have the Royals back at Mayser, I don't think they've been there since the 1991 NCAA's, but they didn't get to play the Dips that year.

A final question: How many times the Royals & their 1st round exit tendency been allowed to host in the Danzig era, it may well be more often than F&M over the same time frame, so leave ancient-alien type theories from a generation before at rest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 26, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
DB,

Youre not really asking the right question.  F&M and Scranton are probably the two greatest mid-atlantic programs of the last 30+ years.  the question is why havent they played more in the regular season? 

Who really cares why CC might have an anti F&M bias?  Sports biases die hard.  The seton hall fan base still hasnt forgiven the michigan program for 89, and later the thievery of Traitor Tommy Amaker.  Thats what makes sports great, that we remember past grudges and can talk about them as if they happened yesterday
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 26, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
Another ancient-alien theory type comment that ignores facts (CC must be a big follower of the History Channel's Georgio Tsoukalos).  Recently F&M has been sent to such friendly outposts as Merchant Marines/St. Mary's and Virginia Wesleyan. If I remember correctly CC and friends are still upset about a 1st round paring in 1987 where they got discarded by a tough host Widener team when they thought they should have been gifted F&M's opponent ?Allegheny. Thus they hold a horrible grudge ever since & unwarranted rude comments are the norm. In the last 15 years Dips have been the victim of anything but friendly treatment by NCAA certainly not favorable. Even though they deserve to host this year they may well not be picked. It would be nice to have the Royals back at Mayser, I don't think they've been there since the 1991 NCAA's, but they didn't get to play the Dips that year.

A final question: How many times the Royals & their 1st round exit tendency been allowed to host in the Danzig era, it may well be more often than F&M over the same time frame, so leave ancient-alien type theories from a generation before at rest.

Dear Mr. Robinson,
As usual, your ignorance is only surpassed only by your, well, ignorance.
So you're new catch phrase is ancient-alien, ok, cool.
Perhaps the selection committee has recently been dispatching the Dip's, as you pointed out, because even they realized how embarrassing and pain stakingly obvious it was becoming that Lancaster was home more times than anyone?
I've seen F&M host NCAA's when they shouldn't even have been in them.
However, the gist of my earlier, brief post was to see if you would notice it, which you did, and to see if you have a life or live on this board, which you do.
I really wanted to point out that both Scranton and F&M have been paired in the same region 10 times with Scranton hosting ONCE, easily discarding the Dip's.
F&M? Oh, that's easy: they hosted the Royals and others SIX TIMES! The other three were road-bound at Widener (which also discarded F&M that same year), Rowan and Patterson.
I remember talking to York's Jeff Gamber during the week of the infamous Widener host, and asking him the criteria that goes into host sites and seeds. He immediately evaded my question and remarked "the people in Scranton think they should host the tourney every year."
Where did that answer come from? Guilty conscience? Obviously since that wasn't even my question.
By the way, Danzig's teams hosted one year.
Oh, and by the way, Pt. II. F&M even hosted Scranton in the ECAC's a few years back, but post-1991.

Man, does onetinsoldier sound familiar. Seton Hall gave it away... ;D

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
That shot at Danzig and the first round exit was unwarranted. Stay Classy DB.


Nevertheless, congrats to F&M on a CC championship. Maybe the two teams will meet on the court sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
That shot at Danzig and the first round exit was unwarranted. Stay Classy DB.


Nevertheless, congrats to F&M on a CC championship. Maybe the two teams will meet on the court sometime in the future.

Which court?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
  Scranton played @ Mayser 2 years ago against Brandeis when F&M played Wesley. Scranton hosted once during Danzig but only because Ursinus wouldn't host. The home court was the prime reason that Scranton nipped that very good Ursinus team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
  Scranton played @ Mayser 2 years ago against Brandeis when F&M played Wesley. Scranton hosted once during Danzig but only because Ursinus wouldn't host. The home court was the prime reason that Scranton nipped that very good Ursinus team.

So it's 7-1? Thanks ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 26, 2012, 03:35:14 PM
Finally CC

Is your contention that playing F&M on the road in the NCAA's is the reason they didn't do well in 10 years pods they shared. As best I can recall the only time they played that wasn't a consolation (met twice in now defunct 3d place game) was in 1988 in Scranton. Perhaps it's just to complain about Dips good luck with hosting rationings in the 70s-80s. Needless to say that is ancient history.

Also the only time Dips played at Patterson was in the 2000 Sectional & as I remember the other teams were Rowan & Catholic. You might be confusing it with the sectional in Rochester in 1992.

Why did you call me Mr. Robinson? I'm sure the Coach doesn't even know who I am, which is a devoted alumni who is a big longtime fan of my Alma Mater. Just as I am sure you are of yours. I wish the two legendary programs would meet on the court in the NCAAs. (It's very difficult during the regular season because CC double-round robin & a pair of longstanding tornaments that take 22 of 25 games. I still wish Royals or even Wilkes would play us yearly like we do with St. Mary's, but I have no say in this, just hope.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2012, 12:03:00 AM
Something I remember during Hoopsville tonight, the men's national committee has made a very strong effort to match-up each of the pods four different regions... thus Scranton going to any of the MA's hosts (Cabrini or F&M most likely) seems unlikely. I suspect they travel to Staten Island, William Paterson, East Region, Great Lakes, even a place like Virginia Wesleyan. And there is always a return trip to the Northeast!

I just don't see them heading to an MA pod.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2012, 12:31:18 AM
Dave,
  That was the basis for my question. In the Mid-Atlantic, by that line of reasoning, both pods(expected to be Cabrini and F&M) should be comprised of the host Mid-Atlantic schools and 3 other unique non-Mid-Atlantic schools like one each from the East, Atlantic, and South/NE/Great lakes regions. It shouldn't be just Scranton that goes out-of-region. What's fair for one should be fair for all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2012, 12:36:58 AM
Yes... and that may very be what happens... this is the Landmark board, so I am stating that as well.

HOWEVER, it isn't perfect.. we can't ship teams to Texas and the Midwest, for example. So sometimes two regions will be in the same pod, though the committee tries to make sure they don't play one another in the first round.

That all being said, remember there is no criteria for this rule. I just know that the committee has made an effort in years past to make that work when they can and it is nice to see (i.e. St. Mary's last year)... but think about it, there are 6 AQ schools and maybe two more in the MA... might not be able to send all six non-hosts to different pods.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2012, 01:01:43 AM
Yes, but you could send all of them out of pennsylvania and bring in 6 non-Pa. schools for the Cabrini and F&M pods. So does the committee want just a flavor of diversity(one pod in the tourney from 4 different states/regions) or does it try this for every pod, where reasonable?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2012, 02:19:34 AM
From what I have learned and gathered over the years they try and do this in every pod when reasonable. It isn't always possible due to the high number of teams from the northeast for example. The Mid-Atlantic tends to get enough to make it a challenge as well.

Teams around PA (Mid-Atlantic) that could host are Oswego State, Hartwick, William Paterson, Virginia Wesleyan, etc. And we could still talk about teams in the Great Lakes and Northeast.

The committee would like to make as diverse and evenly balanced a bracket they can using the guidelines from the NCAA (i.e. 500 miles, etc.). It comes from many different and varying reasons... but it is a good move and one I hope they can continue into the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
F&M is home and Scranton goes to Driveby City formerly Bulletproofvestville.
I think I'd rather go to Lancaster.
Dave, you said in an earlier post (the last page) that "WE" can send a team to Texas.
We?
Please clarify.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 01:42:53 PM
cold case
Lucky you, F&M had the problem of getting there last year.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2012, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 01:42:53 PM
cold case
Lucky you, F&M had the problem of getting there last year.  Good luck.

Thanks's dude. I may sit it out... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
cold case
You can always go to the beach Saturday morning.  It wasn't very crowd last year, mostly F&M fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
  Well, it's better than a trip to Va. Wesleyan. The NCAA has excused everyone from playing there(Hampton Roads tunnel traffic) on Friday night this year.
  Although I've seen the Messiah women play this year, but not the men, it looks like a winnable game for the Royals. Of course, recent NCAA foes Brandeis and Becker were also thought to be winnable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2012, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
cold case
You can always go to the beach Saturday morning.  It wasn't very crowd last year, mostly F&M fans.

One week at the beach is enough for these old bones,  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
As far as the Royals go "just win baby"!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2012, 01:16:54 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
F&M is home and Scranton goes to Driveby City formerly Bulletproofvestville.
I think I'd rather go to Lancaster.
Dave, you said in an earlier post (the last page) that "WE" can send a team to Texas.
We?
Please clarify.
I meant that as Division III... some how I said we.. but that is what happens when I post at 12:36 at night (see tonight's time) after two days of long Hoopsville shows and plenty of behind-the-scenes work as well - exhaustion.

What I basically was saying is that the NCAA isn't going to ship an MA school to Texas when they can easily bus then to other locations. They would rather spend the money to fly geographically isolated teams to places like Texas - as they did this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2012, 12:53:29 PM
Don't feed the trolls Dave! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 29, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2012, 12:53:29 PM
Don't feed the trolls Dave! ;D

He's not which is why he doesn't answer you...  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
Is there an official d3hoops bracket filled out with predictions on the winners?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2012, 05:02:24 PM
No, we don't go that granular to predict all 61 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2012, 07:53:37 PM
Okay thanks, Pat!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
All the very best to the Royals this weekend.
Some great seniors that have played here before & certainly appear ready for the challenge before them.
All the absolute best to Luke, Matt, Ed & Nick. Thanks for some great moments in Royal history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2012, 06:32:32 PM
What a shock. The stream of the Scranton/Messiah game doesn't work ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
That is a shame, sounds like it was an epic game!!!! Go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 07:35:04 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
That is a shame, sounds like it was an epic game!!!! Go Royals!

I just read your post and can't believe it. I shut it off when they were down 18 and figured it was status quo until I checked the paper just now. Wow! And Patterson lost as well...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
  Yes, everyone thought it was over at that point-31 points in 33 minutes-but Luke hit a 3-ptr, Tina Hiltunen's dad got all of us fired up in the stands and it visibly carried over to the players; they hit a few more and we're back in the game. Still, we were down 7 with less than 2 minutes to go and their point guard looked like he could protect the lead(run out the clock, make foul shots, etc) and it still looked bad. But Messiah missed enough foul shots and Matt hit the big one.
  Becker won their game with strong offensive rebounding, something the Royals will have to negate. The good news: Mr. Hiltunen thinks he can make it back for tonight's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 12:34:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
  Yes, everyone thought it was over at that point-31 points in 33 minutes-but Luke hit a 3-ptr, Tina Hiltunen's dad got all of us fired up in the stands and it visibly carried over to the players; they hit a few more and we're back in the game. Still, we were down 7 with less than 2 minutes to go and their point guard looked like he could protect the lead(run out the clock, make foul shots, etc) and it still looked bad. But Messiah missed enough foul shots and Matt hit the big one.
  Becker won their game with strong offensive rebounding, something the Royals will have to negate. The good news: Mr. Hiltunen thinks he can make it back for tonight's game.

Who was the girl with the big mouth from Messiah that didn't shut up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
  Don't know anything about that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 12:51:44 PM
If you were there, you had to hear her. Loud, obnoxious sounds coming through the radio, lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2012, 01:52:39 PM
What a comeback! Where does it rank  in Royal postseason history?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2012, 01:52:39 PM
What a comeback! Where does it rank  in Royal postseason history?

Not too high since past Scranton teams were usually way ahead. BTW, this is the Landmark's first-ever NCAA men's victory and nothing posted on the front page about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Not too high since past Scranton teams were usually way ahead. BTW, this is the Landmark's first-ever NCAA men's victory and nothing posted on the front page about it.

Yes there is.

Scranton rallied from an 18-point deficit and beat Messiah in overtime 70-67. Royals coach Carl Danzig, who earned his 200th career victory, said, "This has to be the largest comeback I've ever been involved in."

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/first-round-wrapup

Can't give it more prominence than that considering all that went on yesterday but it's mentioned in our nightly wrapup with a link to the game story, like with just about everything else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Not too high since past Scranton teams were usually way ahead. BTW, this is the Landmark's first-ever NCAA men's victory and nothing posted on the front page about it.

Yes there is.

Scranton rallied from an 18-point deficit and beat Messiah in overtime 70-67. Royals coach Carl Danzig, who earned his 200th career victory, said, "This has to be the largest comeback I've ever been involved in."

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/first-round-wrapup

Can't give it more prominence than that considering all that went on yesterday but it's mentioned in our nightly wrapup with a link to the game story, like with just about everything else.

No, I read that. There just wasn't mention of it being the conference's first NCAA triumph. No biggie....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2012, 06:54:28 PM
Just win baby!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 06:55:29 PM
Audio stream is working and for the second straight night, only one side of the bleachers are open.

GREAT JOB, SELECTION COMMITTEE!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
If a Landmark team other than Scranton gets in , they are going to make a run in the NCAAs. Much to the chagrin of the Scranton contingent on this board. It is just the way life works.  ;D

How do you feel the way life works now?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2012, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
If a Landmark team other than Scranton gets in , they are going to make a run in the NCAAs. Much to the chagrin of the Scranton contingent on this board. It is just the way life works.  ;D

How do you feel the way life works now?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pretty freaking good!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
Congrats to Scranton.  Good luck next week against Middlebury.  Maybe Cabrini against Scranton in the Elite 8?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
High fives to Scranton for being the 1st Landmark team to make the Sweet 16. I don't know if it has been corrected yet but an earlier poster thought that this year the Royals were the initial Landmark team to win any NCAA game, however 2 years ago the Merchant Marines beat a talented Wesley Wolves team at King's Point, only the fall short in the second round. I doubt that tha MMA has much of a presence on this board & wanted to see that they got due credit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2012, 03:11:37 AM
 Team victory for the Royals tonight, outscoring the NCAA opposition 108-59 over the last 53 mins. Playing back-to-back as part of the conference action may have been a difference tonight as Becker didn't have the energy of the previous night.
  Hosting the sectional:  seeding-wise it should be Cabrini; geographically, it should be Scranton.
  Special shout-out to the Lady Royals for making the trek both nites to support their brethern.
  Dylan Bulger sighting: the former Drew 6-11 center was found in the Staten Island box score tonite.
  Personal accomplishment:  made it back to Montgomery County, MD in 4 1/2 hours from northern NJ without paying a toll; pregame scouting helps.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2012, 07:14:38 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
High fives to Scranton for being the 1st Landmark team to make the Sweet 16. I don't know if it has been corrected yet but an earlier poster thought that this year the Royals were the initial Landmark team to win any NCAA game, however 2 years ago the Merchant Marines beat a talented Wesley Wolves team at King's Point, only the fall short in the second round. I doubt that tha MMA has much of a presence on this board & wanted to see that they got due credit.

Yes, you are correct. Thank God you set me straight ......... finally! 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 04, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2012, 03:11:37 AM
Team victory for the Royals tonight, outscoring the NCAA opposition 108-59 over the last 53 mins. Playing back-to-back as part of the conference action may have been a difference tonight as Becker didn't have the energy of the previous night.
  Hosting the sectional:  seeding-wise it should be Cabrini; geographically, it should be Scranton.
  Special shout-out to the Lady Royals for making the trek both nites to support their brethern.
  Dylan Bulger sighting: the former Drew 6-11 center was found in the Staten Island box score tonite.
  Personal accomplishment:  made it back to Montgomery County, MD in 4 1/2 hours from northern NJ without paying a toll; pregame scouting helps.

howd you go? 287 to 202 to 95, then other non toll roads in md?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Scranton is going to Vermont. A bit further than Jersey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 04, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Scranton is going to Vermont. A bit further than Jersey.

But much prettier.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2012, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Not too high since past Scranton teams were usually way ahead. BTW, this is the Landmark's first-ever NCAA men's victory and nothing posted on the front page about it.

Yes there is.

Scranton rallied from an 18-point deficit and beat Messiah in overtime 70-67. Royals coach Carl Danzig, who earned his 200th career victory, said, "This has to be the largest comeback I've ever been involved in."

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/first-round-wrapup

Can't give it more prominence than that considering all that went on yesterday but it's mentioned in our nightly wrapup with a link to the game story, like with just about everything else.

No, I read that. There just wasn't mention of it being the conference's first NCAA triumph. No biggie....

Gotcha. That's true -- I mean, the conference has only been around for a few years, so that's not a particularly telling stat, even for this Landmark grad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2012, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 04, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2012, 03:11:37 AM
Team victory for the Royals tonight, outscoring the NCAA opposition 108-59 over the last 53 mins. Playing back-to-back as part of the conference action may have been a difference tonight as Becker didn't have the energy of the previous night.
  Hosting the sectional:  seeding-wise it should be Cabrini; geographically, it should be Scranton.
  Special shout-out to the Lady Royals for making the trek both nites to support their brethern.
  Dylan Bulger sighting: the former Drew 6-11 center was found in the Staten Island box score tonite.
  Personal accomplishment:  made it back to Montgomery County, MD in 4 1/2 hours from northern NJ without paying a toll; pregame scouting helps.

Yes

howd you go? 287 to 202 to 95, then other non toll roads in md?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Coach Danzig is going to be on Hoopsville shortly. Dave, the chat function isn't working for me on your Ustream site....



On edit:


Just heard the interview, good stuff Dave. Danzig said he and the team don't care what other people thing of his program and they have been underestimated all year.

Also like the tease on possible expansion??? :-X
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 08:02:18 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Coach Danzig is going to be on Hoopsville shortly. Dave, the chat function isn't working for me on your Ustream site....

On edit:
Just heard the interview, good stuff Dave. Danzig said he and the team don't care what other people thing of his program and they have been underestimated all year.
Also like the tease on possible expansion??? :-X

Franklin and Marshall: Hosts because Amherst's men can't. In even numbered years, the men have hosting priority in the first weekend of the tournament, women in the second. So although Amherst would be the expected host, they are not available to do so. F&M, the second-ranked team in the final non-secret regional ranking, got the nod ahead of MIT, the third-ranked team in that week's Northeast ranking.

Then I hear someone saying "they overloaded two brackets so we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone really wants to see there."

And, who does the selection committee want to see there year in and year out? The above is obvious.
Why don't the court jesters that comprise regional selection committees do the honorable thing and all step down. You're justifying is a disgrace and your bias and hatred is just plain disgusting. You find a way to get F&M hosting -- AGAIN.
These are NCAA games. You want schools to travel like Division I, then play all the games on neutral sites. Oh, that's right. if that happens, we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone wants to really see there. Sounds fishy.
People don't like having their intelligence questioned. And that's a non-secret.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 08:02:18 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Coach Danzig is going to be on Hoopsville shortly. Dave, the chat function isn't working for me on your Ustream site....

On edit:
Just heard the interview, good stuff Dave. Danzig said he and the team don't care what other people thing of his program and they have been underestimated all year.
Also like the tease on possible expansion??? :-X

Franklin and Marshall: Hosts because Amherst's men can't. In even numbered years, the men have hosting priority in the first weekend of the tournament, women in the second. So although Amherst would be the expected host, they are not available to do so. F&M, the second-ranked team in the final non-secret regional ranking, got the nod ahead of MIT, the third-ranked team in that week's Northeast ranking.

Then I hear someone saying "they overloaded two brackets so we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone really wants to see there."

And, who does the selection committee want to see there year in and year out? The above is obvious.
Why don't the court jesters that comprise regional selection committees do the honorable thing and all step down. You're justifying is a disgrace and your bias and hatred is just plain disgusting. You find a way to get F&M hosting -- AGAIN.
These are NCAA games. You want schools to travel like Division I, then play all the games on neutral sites. Oh, that's right. if that happens, we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone wants to really see there. Sounds fishy.
People don't like having their intelligence questioned. And that's a non-secret.

Hi CC, i really cant agree more.  The Centennial board had this conversation last week.  There is a glaring hole in this playoff system: what happens when both the Men's and Women's teams have the right to host the same weekend?  And honestly, isnt the easiest solution to just make the Women Thursday/Saturday? 

I understand that finding 16 neutral sites would be a nightmare, and with some of the atmospheres last week moving the first weekend to neutral sites just wouldnt work.  but the NCAA cant find four neutral sites annually to host Regionals?  The reward for a great season should be a playoff trip, and maybe hosting a first weekend pod.  It should not be a clear path to the final four.  I'm not assuming a Scranton loss here, but at the end of the day the Final Four in the Cabrini/Middlebury region might have been decided by a womens game between babson and Amherst.  How does that make any sense?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 08:02:18 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Coach Danzig is going to be on Hoopsville shortly. Dave, the chat function isn't working for me on your Ustream site....

On edit:
Just heard the interview, good stuff Dave. Danzig said he and the team don't care what other people thing of his program and they have been underestimated all year.
Also like the tease on possible expansion??? :-X

Franklin and Marshall: Hosts because Amherst's men can't. In even numbered years, the men have hosting priority in the first weekend of the tournament, women in the second. So although Amherst would be the expected host, they are not available to do so. F&M, the second-ranked team in the final non-secret regional ranking, got the nod ahead of MIT, the third-ranked team in that week's Northeast ranking.

Then I hear someone saying "they overloaded two brackets so we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone really wants to see there."

And, who does the selection committee want to see there year in and year out? The above is obvious.
Why don't the court jesters that comprise regional selection committees do the honorable thing and all step down. You're justifying is a disgrace and your bias and hatred is just plain disgusting. You find a way to get F&M hosting -- AGAIN.
These are NCAA games. You want schools to travel like Division I, then play all the games on neutral sites. Oh, that's right. if that happens, we won't have a strong final four in regards to whom everyone wants to really see there. Sounds fishy.
People don't like having their intelligence questioned. And that's a non-secret.

Hi CC, i really cant agree more.  The Centennial board had this conversation last week.  There is a glaring hole in this playoff system: what happens when both the Men's and Women's teams have the right to host the same weekend?  And honestly, isnt the easiest solution to just make the Women Thursday/Saturday? 

I understand that finding 16 neutral sites would be a nightmare, and with some of the atmospheres last week moving the first weekend to neutral sites just wouldnt work.  but the NCAA cant find four neutral sites annually to host Regionals?  The reward for a great season should be a playoff trip, and maybe hosting a first weekend pod.  It should not be a clear path to the final four.  I'm not assuming a Scranton loss here, but at the end of the day the Final Four in the Cabrini/Middlebury region might have been decided by a womens game between babson and Amherst.  How does that make any sense?

How about a reward to teams with staying power? You know, the one's that are consistently in the NCAA's? It's called respect.
Neutral sites can be had. If Scranton were to be the host team, there is King's and Wilkes right down the road who would surely open their doors. All schools would.
In regards to your Thursday and Saturday games, forget it. You know as well as I that the clowns in the center ring will use the excuse, it would be too much money for schools to stay two nights.
However, you did open the door also slammed it on the jesters because women can play Saturday and Sunday afternoon.
But, doesn't that make too much sense?
I'm sure the insane clown posse would say, "Well, they have to get back to school on Monday."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 09:32:31 AM
Over the years there seems to be a bias against F&M.  Why would the committee now want F&M 'protected' in the region?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
A bias towards F&M?  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2012, 12:14:57 PM
It does seem that the swing in the Mid-Atlantic has gone as such:

1) Bias toward F&M in the 1990s.
2) Backlash starting sometime in the early 2000s.
3) To be determined, but F&M is the worthy host of this sectional with all the factors taken into account.

Heck, Staten Island didn't even have live stats for its tournament games last week. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
Quick thought on neutral sites... the crowds would be dismal. It is hard enough for people to travel to games when they aren't at neutral sites, but to then find a location that wants to host a D3 tournament when the crowds are not going to fill their arena... difficult at best. And don't expect a school to want to step up and host when they don't have a vested interest.

You might not like the system for a variety of reasons, but I don't think neutral sites is a viable option (it is also yet another cost factor).

Also, women on Thursday/Saturday... men on Friday/Sunday flies in the face of "student-athlete" mentality in Division III.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
Definitely, a backlash in the 2000's.  Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2012, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
Definitely, a backlash in the 2000's.  Thanks for the confirmation.

I think it evened out there, yes.

Also, agreed with Dave. I am not sure how many neutral sites there are willing to host a sectional. If you look at baseball, almost all of the regional hosts are bidding with the hope that their team makes it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
Quick thought on neutral sites... the crowds would be dismal. It is hard enough for people to travel to games when they aren't at neutral sites, but to then find a location that wants to host a D3 tournament when the crowds are not going to fill their arena... difficult at best. And don't expect a school to want to step up and host when they don't have a vested interest.

I concur. Middlebury's Elite Eight match-up with St. Mary's last year was essentially a neutral site game (Rochester had lost the previous night), and the atmosphere was nowhere near what it should have been for such a game. Both teams were far from home, and while both brought vocal contingents, the arena was half-filled at best. Now, this can always happen on Saturday if the host school loses Friday night, but to purposefully set up such a situation for all games would be silly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
Quick thought on neutral sites... the crowds would be dismal. It is hard enough for people to travel to games when they aren't at neutral sites, but to then find a location that wants to host a D3 tournament when the crowds are not going to fill their arena... difficult at best. And don't expect a school to want to step up and host when they don't have a vested interest.

I concur. Middlebury's Elite Eight match-up with St. Mary's last year was essentially a neutral site game (Rochester had lost the previous night), and the atmosphere was nowhere near what it should have been for such a game. Both teams were far from home, and while both brought vocal contingents, the arena was half-filled at best. Now, this can always happen on Saturday if the host school loses Friday night, but to purposefully set up such a situation for all games would be silly.

I watched the video stream of NCC at WashU the other night.  WashU is not exactly small or remote and they didn't even have the place full.  I'm not sure you can argue for neutral sites until the home teams actually sell the place out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
  Well, let's argue for a geographically positioned host so the fans aren't disadvantaged like Cabrini with an 8-hour trip.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
  Well, let's argue for a geographically positioned host so the fans aren't disadvantaged like Cabrini with an 8-hour trip.

6.5 tops, even in a bus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
  At any distance, it's longer than it would be with a geographical host, minimizing distance for the schools as a group.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
Quick thought on neutral sites... the crowds would be dismal. It is hard enough for people to travel to games when they aren't at neutral sites, but to then find a location that wants to host a D3 tournament when the crowds are not going to fill their arena... difficult at best. And don't expect a school to want to step up and host when they don't have a vested interest.

I concur. Middlebury's Elite Eight match-up with St. Mary's last year was essentially a neutral site game (Rochester had lost the previous night), and the atmosphere was nowhere near what it should have been for such a game. Both teams were far from home, and while both brought vocal contingents, the arena was half-filled at best. Now, this can always happen on Saturday if the host school loses Friday night, but to purposefully set up such a situation for all games would be silly.

Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
  At any distance, it's longer than it would be with a geographical host, minimizing distance for the schools as a group.

The home team always has an advantage, it's not quite fair to give an advantage to a weaker team.  Scranton is the logical host for the pod, but probably the weakest squad.  I'm not sure we want to see that; I certainly don't.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
  Well, let's argue for a geographically positioned host so the fans aren't disadvantaged like Cabrini with an 8-hour trip.

Middlebury had a long trip to Rochester last year, and it didn't bother the Panthers any.

Again, hosting guarantees nothing. And having to travel is not an excuse, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
  Well, let's argue for a geographically positioned host so the fans aren't disadvantaged like Cabrini with an 8-hour trip.

Middlebury had a long trip to Rochester last year, and it didn't bother the Panthers any.

Again, hosting guarantees nothing. And having to travel is not an excuse, either.
We're not discussing the effect on the teams, only the likelihood of fans discouraged from making a 6+ hour trip. I'd rather go back to regional regionals and sectionals than these pods of teams from 300+ miles away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 05, 2012, 01:56:00 PM
Hoops fan it is exactly 7hrs and 56 minutes for Cabrini and 5hrs 31 minutes for Scranton.Dave last night watching Hoopsville and coach Danzing was on. You made the statement that Middlebury was better then Scranton on paper the game is not won on paper it is won on the basketball court.Bluntly
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 01:56:37 PM
Pat, I appreciate your acknowledgement of a bias towards F&M in the 1980's and '90's and of course the F&M partisans are going to agree.
I'm not directing anything towards you. What I'm saying is my lengthy post earlier about the sectional site would never have been posted if they moved the Amherst women to Saturday and Sunday afternoons.
But, when there is an abnormality, you can bet it will benefit F&M.
I know Amherst would not balk at moving games around since nothing would be different.
And that's the gist of my post regarding the court jesters that are the selection committees, especially in this region.
Maybe they want Glenny to win that ever-elusive national title.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team?

I acknowledged that this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1. But to purposefully schedule games would be a mistake.

As I've stated before, I  understand Cabrini's disappointment. I really do. But Cabrini was never a clear cut favorite to host. It was always a toss up between Middlebury and Cabrini. It could have gone either way. It's not like last year when Midd had to travel to Rochester because of the 500-mile rule. And again, a reminder about what happened last year: Midd went to Rochester, won two games, and went on to Salem. Cabrini can do the same thing this weekend. Having to travel isn't going to "cost" them anything other than gas money and hotels.

If Midd was traveling to PA this weekend, I would feel bad for the Middlebury community, I would personally miss experiencing another electric moment in Pepin, but I would also know that the players, the team, would be fine. If they were to be considered the best team among the four, then they would go and win, regardless of where the games are played. And I'm sure the Cabrini team, if not its fans, will come up to Vermont with the same attitude.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team?

I acknowledged that this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1. But to purposefully schedule games would be a mistake.

As I've stated before, I  understand Cabrini's disappointment. I really do. But Cabrini was never a clear cut favorite to host. It was always a toss up between Middlebury and Cabrini. It could have gone either way. It's not like last year when Midd had to travel to Rochester because of the 500-mile rule. And again, a reminder about what happened last year: Midd went to Rochester, won two games, and went on to Salem. Cabrini can do the same thing this weekend. Having to travel isn't going to "cost" them anything other than gas money and hotels.

If Midd was traveling to PA this weekend, I would feel bad for the Middlebury community, I would personally miss experiencing another electric moment in Pepin, but I would also know that the players, the team, would be fine. If they were to be considered the best team among the four, then they would go and win, regardless of where the games are played. And I'm sure the Cabrini team, if not its fans, will come up to Vermont with the same attitude.

Yeah, that's all. Just gas money and hotels, right, Mr. Rockefeller?
Unreal!
This is D-III, not UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, UNC or whomever.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
cold_case, no bias on your part?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
I'd love to see F&M, Cabrini, and/or Scranton in the Final Four to get our region more respect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2012, 02:15:25 PM
Can anyone tell me how they see Scranton and Middlebury matching up?


We know from Hoopsville that our own D-MAC thinks it is a nightmare matchup for the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2012, 02:19:25 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 01:56:37 PM
Pat, I appreciate your acknowledgement of a bias towards F&M in the 1980's and '90's and of course the F&M partisans are going to agree.
I'm not directing anything towards you. What I'm saying is my lengthy post earlier about the sectional site would never have been posted if they moved the Amherst women to Saturday and Sunday afternoons.
But, when there is an abnormality, you can bet it will benefit F&M.
I know Amherst would not balk at moving games around since nothing would be different.
And that's the gist of my post regarding the court jesters that are the selection committees, especially in this region.
Maybe they want Glenny to win that ever-elusive national title.

Maybe they hope he'll retire if he does? :)

The NCAA isn't going to move games to Sunday. There are a handful of Division III schools who will not play on Sunday for religious reasons, so they avoid that like the plague for scheduling. That's now basically a last resort for weather purposes. Sectionals have been relocated many times in the past decade without F&M being involved, too. It just happens. It is not a conspiracy, guys.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team?
As I've stated before, I  understand Cabrini's disappointment. I really do. But Cabrini was never a clear cut favorite to host. It was always a toss up between Middlebury and Cabrini. It could have gone either way. It's not like last year when Midd had to travel to Rochester because of the 500-mile rule. And again, a reminder about what happened last year: Midd went to Rochester, won two games, and went on to Salem. Cabrini can do the same thing this weekend. Having to travel isn't going to "cost" them anything other than gas money and hotels.

If Midd was traveling to PA this weekend, I would feel bad for the Middlebury community, I would personally miss experiencing another electric moment in Pepin, but I would also know that the players, the team, would be fine. If they were to be considered the best team among the four, then they would go and win, regardless of where the games are played. And I'm sure the Cabrini team, if not its fans, will come up to Vermont with the same attitude.
I think the difference between 2011 and 2012 is that last year, there was no question who the better and more deserving team was between Middlebury and Rochester.  This year, its virtually a coin flip.  And as we see countless times in all levels of college basketball, sometimes homefield advantage is the deciding factor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team?
As I've stated before, I  understand Cabrini's disappointment. I really do. But Cabrini was never a clear cut favorite to host. It was always a toss up between Middlebury and Cabrini. It could have gone either way. It's not like last year when Midd had to travel to Rochester because of the 500-mile rule. And again, a reminder about what happened last year: Midd went to Rochester, won two games, and went on to Salem. Cabrini can do the same thing this weekend. Having to travel isn't going to "cost" them anything other than gas money and hotels.

If Midd was traveling to PA this weekend, I would feel bad for the Middlebury community, I would personally miss experiencing another electric moment in Pepin, but I would also know that the players, the team, would be fine. If they were to be considered the best team among the four, then they would go and win, regardless of where the games are played. And I'm sure the Cabrini team, if not its fans, will come up to Vermont with the same attitude.
I think the difference between 2011 and 2012 is that last year, there was no question who the better and more deserving team was between Middlebury and Rochester.  This year, its virtually a coin flip.  And as we see countless times in all levels of college basketball, sometimes homefield advantage is the deciding factor.

It's not a coin flip - only by the metrics the NCAA uses to choose and rank teams.  I'm not sure the decision on hosting is limited to those factors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2012, 02:15:25 PM
Can anyone tell me how they see Scranton and Middlebury matching up?


We know from Hoopsville that our own D-MAC thinks it is a nightmare matchup for the Royals.

Middlebury is a nightmare matchup for anyone - just ask Amherst.  Midd plays killer defense and they're loaded with talent.  No one wants to play them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
I'd love to see F&M, Cabrini, and/or Scranton in the Final Four to get our region more respect.

I'm not sure how the Mid-Atlantic is being disrespected, Reserved Seat. I certainly have plenty of respect for the three teams you mention and would not be surprised if any of those three advanced to Salem.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 03:22:41 PM
  The fans ought to be a consideration in a sectional hosting decision. They were definitely a factor in Scranton overcoming an 18-pt deficit with 8 mins remaining in the 1st round game. A segment wouldn't let the Royals lose without a fight; it spread to the rest of the fans and onto the players who were visibly affected. A bunch of 3s helped and the players took it from there, carrying over thru the 2nd round game, because the fans could make the 2-hour trek to Wayne, NJ from Scranton or the Philly suburbs.
  I agree with Dave McHugh that the NCAA preferred that the 2 sectionals would be in separate areas and, since Amherst couldn't host this year, it meant F&M and Middlebury, instead of Amherst and Cabrini, or geographically, Scranton and Staten Island.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 03:22:41 PM
I agree with Dave McHugh that the NCAA preferred that the 2 sectionals would be in separate areas and, since Amherst couldn't host this year, it meant F&M and Middlebury, instead of Amherst and Cabrini, or geographically, Scranton and Staten Island.

Why? Was the selection committee fearful of the ratings suffering in the Midddle Atlantic Region market?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
 Where's Gordon going to be? Middlebury with Cabrini or F&M?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Where's Gordon going to be? Middlebury with Cabrini or F&M?

If he has a choice, F&M.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
cold_case, no bias on your part?

Last I checked, this is the Landmark board which Scranton is a member of ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Where's Gordon going to be? Middlebury with Cabrini or F&M?

If he has a choice, F&M.

Why?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Where's Gordon going to be? Middlebury with Cabrini or F&M?

If he has a choice, F&M.

Why?

I saw him at Cabrini.  We talked briefly.  During that time he mentioned he lived nearby and that he wanted to see F&M play.

Judging from those two facts, I guessed Lancaster would be closer to his home and would feature a number of the top teams in the country.

It is just a guess, but an educated one in some sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 05, 2012, 04:28:00 PM
Well heading up to Middlebury this weekend but staying in South Burlington.Called the Courtyard Marriott Sunday at 2:30 just to find out that they are sold out.So as a Marriott rewards cardholder i called up the corporate office today and told them what just happened,so he had me on the line for about ten minutes  while he talked to the front desk supervisor,he then came back on the line and told me what happened the NCAA called them a couple days before and asked if they could accommodate for so many people and they said yes.So after driving 6 hrs to the game i have to drive another hour to my hotel i guess this is how much the NCAA really cares about the fans.ROYAL FAITHFUL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2012, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Bucket,  this is always going to happen when a host loses round 1.  I understand all the issues with neutral site hosting and the money lost.  I also understand that the idea of playing a road game in front of 2000 people (potentially) is a thrill for the student athlete.  But so is playing in front of 1-2k fans at a neutral site in salem, which you potentially take away.  I just have trouble wrapping my hands around the idea that, because of the ripple effect, a womens game in amherst could conceivably cost Cabrini a final four trip. 

Of course, the other answer would be to ditch the NCAA geographical diversity program and clump regions together irregardless of strength.  As bad as that might sound, is it really worse than a system where the No. 2 MA team hosts over the #1 NE team, while the #1 MA team travels to the #2 NE team?
As I've stated before, I  understand Cabrini's disappointment. I really do. But Cabrini was never a clear cut favorite to host. It was always a toss up between Middlebury and Cabrini. It could have gone either way. It's not like last year when Midd had to travel to Rochester because of the 500-mile rule. And again, a reminder about what happened last year: Midd went to Rochester, won two games, and went on to Salem. Cabrini can do the same thing this weekend. Having to travel isn't going to "cost" them anything other than gas money and hotels.

If Midd was traveling to PA this weekend, I would feel bad for the Middlebury community, I would personally miss experiencing another electric moment in Pepin, but I would also know that the players, the team, would be fine. If they were to be considered the best team among the four, then they would go and win, regardless of where the games are played. And I'm sure the Cabrini team, if not its fans, will come up to Vermont with the same attitude.
I think the difference between 2011 and 2012 is that last year, there was no question who the better and more deserving team was between Middlebury and Rochester.  This year, its virtually a coin flip.  And as we see countless times in all levels of college basketball, sometimes homefield advantage is the deciding factor.

It's not a coin flip - only by the metrics the NCAA uses to choose and rank teams.  I'm not sure the decision on hosting is limited to those factors.

Hoopsfan, by saying coinflip i was trying to be polite and not start a meaningless argument.  If you are using the last regional rankings, cabrini as a number 1 earned the right to host with no other #1 in their region.  Should they be hosting? i dont know.  But Cabrini is likely in a far tougher spot than Middlebury was a year ago, which was my point
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2012, 05:04:29 PM
First of all, a pretty magical weekend for the Royals.
Brought back from the dead, down 18 with 8 minutes left on Friday & then playing one of their best all around games this season on Sat.
Three's raining down, drives to the basket, offensive rebounds, short jumpers & free throws all coming together at just the right time. I know the Royals don't get a lot of respect this time of year but, those kids have certainly hung together &  opened some eyes...mine included with the perseverance they've shown down the stretch.
To me, Coach Danzig didn't finally get the monkey off his back with these wins...it was more like a 4oo lb. gorilla.
I think we all knew coming in that the NCAA wisdom patrol was not letting the Middle Atlantic get two Sectionals.
In reality, it is a ripoff for Cabrini because their fate, as someone stated was determined by the Amherst women & not what they accomplished all season on the court.
If the Amherst women were not so good this year, I think it's fair to say Cabrini may be hosting & F&M would would be paying homage to Emily Dickinson.
Another unfortunate consequence is the fact that there appear to be all of perhaps 4 hotels/motels in Middville.
To top that off, the best hotel up there...the 40 room, 2 1/2 star Marriott Courtyard has been bought up by the NCAA so fans are forced to book rooms in Moose Junction, Trout Run & Sasquatch Hills.
NCAA selection members...there is still time. Send the host site to Scranton. Two great hotels within a 5 minute walk to the UofS, another 10 within 15 minutes, a St. Patricks parade on Sat., free beer for everyone all weekend, at least 3,000 in the stands, temps. in the low 60's & no chance of driving into a Monster Quest action hero on the way to the game & a BMW given away at halftime of Friday's game.
Oh well, off to Vermont it is. :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
QuoteWhere's Gordon going to be? Middlebury with Cabrini or F&M?

If he has a choice, F&M.

Why?

My location is still undecided while we figure out our coverage options. Franklin and Marshall is probably the best bet for the reasons Hoops Fan mentioned.  It's 1.5 hours from home. I've seen F&M once this season, but would enjoy seeing Amherst, CSI and MIT in person, particularly for that Friday night game. The atmosphere at Mayser should be phenomenal.

Honestly I'd enjoy any of the men's regionals, including the Middlebury one, but I have to keep my travel somewhat limited for family reasons.

I also might end up going to UMW for the women's regional.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2012, 04:21:47 PM

I saw him at Cabrini.  We talked briefly.  During that time he mentioned he lived nearby and that he wanted to see F&M play.
Judging from those two facts, I guessed Lancaster would be closer to his home and would feature a number of the top teams in the country.
It is just a guess, but an educated one in some sense.

That's too bad. Cabrini and Scranton fans have to travel -- AGAIN. Good enough for them, good enough for him ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2012, 05:08:15 PM
Unfortunately not good enough for my family situation though.  :)

Honestly, I prefer to travel this time of year.  I really look forward to my one trip per year to somewhere I'e never been.  I've gone to Decorah, Iowa; Crestview Hills, Kentucky; and Bloomington, Illinois on these weekends.  This is the weekend to do it and Middlebury would qualify (though I went there as a college student).  Plus I could probably convince Dean Corwin to give me some air time at the half. :)

Just not going to happen this weekend, I'm afraid.  Not because I don't want it to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
Gordon, ever been to Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 05, 2012, 05:04:29 PM

In reality, it is a ripoff for Cabrini because their fate, as someone stated was determined by the Amherst women & not what they accomplished all season on the court.


Teams determine their own fate. Middlebury did last year when they went to Rochester because of an NCAA rule and decision, won two games, and advanced to Salem. Hosting guarantees nothing.

And again, why is Cabrini so much more deserving than Middlebury to host? If we are simply talking about what a team accomplished during a season as criteria for hosting, were the Panthers' season-long accomplishments not worthy enough of a selection? Midd lost three games by a combined 5 points, two of the games being at Amherst.

We have a case, a bracket, where two teams could stake even claims for hosting. NCAA criteria awarded the sectional to one of the two teams. No one got "robbed."

Plenty of nice places to stay in Middlebury, even with the Marriott booked. If you haven't already done so, check out:

The Middlebury Inn
http://www.middleburyinn.com/

The Inn on the Green
http://innonthegreen.com/

The Swift House Inn
http://www.swifthouseinn.com/

The Waybury Inn
http://www.wayburyinn.com/

The first three are right in town. The Waybury is in the adjoining village of East Middlebury, about a 5-10 minute drive from Midd.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Yes, many times. I lived in Binghamton from 2000-2004. In fact, I think you and I met in person once, many moons (like 8-10 years) ago, either at King's or Scranton.  That's back when Colonel John was a student at Wilkes. I was about 30 pounds lighter and moderately less bald then.

I sort of functioned as the radio guy for Scranton's men in their last Sweet 16 run. This was before Dean Corwin and the WUSR arrangement. The two Scranton teams didn't have  consistent radio coverage and I was basically looking to fill my weekends when Cortland State wasn't playing at home (I worked with Cortland consistently from 2000-2004).

So I started covering the Royals with online broadcasts during the regular season and followed them all the way through the tournament. I really enjoyed that season.  Coaches Danzig and Strong were great. Kevin Southard was a tremendous host. The atmosphere was exciting. I still think of Derek Elphick everytime I drive by a sign for Moosic, PA.  I was very happy to be along for the ride. In that case, I actually did follow Scranton to Wooster...though I was there for D3hoops, technically.

A year or two later Dean started working with WUSR.  I've still covered games at Scranton occassionally since then, but less often. Dean does a tremendous job -- he's one of the best at this level -- so I don't add much value in broadcasting those games, particularly now with the video coverage.  I still see the Royals on the road.

I don't really work with any specific school for hoops.  I played a similar role for Cabrini this year that I did for Scranton in the early 2000s, but I don't work exclusively with the program.  That's another reason I'm not following them to Vermont.  But again, I've very much enjoyed covering the Cavs this season. I've just been fortunate to be the right guy in the right place. The Cabrini and Scranton programs seem similar to me in many respects.

End of resume post.  Sorry for dominating conversation here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
Teams determine their own fate. Middlebury did last year when they went to Rochester because of an NCAA rule and decision, won two games, and advanced to Salem. Hosting guarantees nothing.

And again, why is Cabrini so much more deserving than Middlebury to host? If we are simply talking about what a team accomplished during a season as criteria for hosting, were the Panthers' season-long accomplishments not worthy enough of a selection? Midd lost three games by a combined 5 points, two of the games being at Amherst.

We have a case, a bracket, where two teams could stake even claims for hosting. NCAA criteria awarded the sectional to one of the two teams. No one got "robbed."


To try and compare what Middlebury did last year to what Cabrini must do this year is comparing apples to oranges.  Last year, Midd was a 25-1 number one seed going traveling to 20-5 #3 seed.  Cabrini is a number 1 seed traveling to a 23-2 #2 seed, who oh by the way hasnt lost a home game in two and a half years.  Do they control their own fate? Sure.  but beating Middlebury in Middlebury would be as tough as any game an eventual champion has had to win in several years.   Something they (likely) would not have had to do had the Babson women pulled off an equally improbably upset. 

Let me ask you this since you appear to be a Middlebury fan.  Would you rather have Middlebury's road or Amherst's road to the final four?  Would you rather have Cabrini's road to the Final Four, or F&M's?  My guess is in both cases, the answer is the #2 seed. 

and finally to address your "deserving" point, both are deserving.  But i dont make that rule.  Typically the NCAA tries to protect seeding at the top if it can, meaning MA1>NE2 (assuming records et al being about equal).  And without those final RRs we dont really know.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 05, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
Went to the 2 games at WPU this past weekend and killed my vocal cords rooting for the Royals. The 2 dunks on Messiah made the walls shake (ha !)  and I'm still in disbelief with the game against Becker...Kept waiting for Becker to make their move but it never happened ....Hey, I was their in '76 for the Rock'n Roll Royals championship game at Albright.... I don't think they were the big favs that year as well.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
Good points, onetinsoldier. And of course, I'd rather be home than not.

That said, if Amherst and Cabrini both advance to Salem, I wouldn't be shocked or surprised. Disappointed in the case of Cabrini, but not shocked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 05, 2012, 07:50:12 PM
..........was THERE, not "their" in '76 for the Rock'n Roll Royals national championship game at Albright....It was practically a home game for Scranton...ROCK ON !!  GO ROYALS !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 05, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Yes, many times. I lived in Binghamton from 2000-2004. In fact, I think you and I met in person once, many moons (like 8-10 years) ago, either at King's or Scranton.  That's back when Colonel John was a student at Wilkes. I was about 30 pounds lighter and moderately less bald then.

I sort of functioned as the radio guy for Scranton's men in their last Sweet 16 run. This was before Dean Corwin and the WUSR arrangement. The two Scranton teams didn't have  consistent radio coverage and I was basically looking to fill my weekends when Cortland State wasn't playing at home (I worked with Cortland consistently from 2000-2004).

So I started covering the Royals with online broadcasts during the regular season and followed them all the way through the tournament. I really enjoyed that season.  Coaches Danzig and Strong were great. Kevin Southard was a tremendous host. The atmosphere was exciting. I still think of Derek Elphick everytime I drive by a sign for Moosic, PA.  I was very happy to be along for the ride. In that case, I actually did follow Scranton to Wooster...though I was there for D3hoops, technically.

A year or two later Dean started working with WUSR.  I've still covered games at Scranton occassionally since then, but less often. Dean does a tremendous job -- he's one of the best at this level -- so I don't add much value in broadcasting those games, particularly now with the video coverage.  I still see the Royals on the road.

I don't really work with any specific school for hoops.  I played a similar role for Cabrini this year that I did for Scranton in the early 2000s, but I don't work exclusively with the program.  That's another reason I'm not following them to Vermont.  But again, I've very much enjoyed covering the Cavs this season. I've just been fortunate to be the right guy in the right place. The Cabrini and Scranton programs seem similar to me in many respects.

End of resume post.  Sorry for dominating conversation here.

  Enjoyed the background, Gordon, and your broadcasting over the years; we met somewhere a few years ago(Scranton@Messiah women?) I'll guess that you'll wind up @ UMW with the women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Ditto what Ronk said Gordon. I remember listening to Scranton-Wooster in my car.

Looks like Scramton is a big underdog! Play loose and have fun! Go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 05, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
Went to the 2 games at WPU this past weekend and killed my vocal cords rooting for the Royals. The 2 dunks on Messiah made the walls shake (ha !)  and I'm still in disbelief with the game against Becker...Kept waiting for Becker to make their move but it never happened ....Hey, I was their in '76 for the Rock'n Roll Royals championship game at Albright.... I don't think they were the big favs that year as well.

  Look us up the next time - ronk,augie, and saratoga were there(WPU). We kept waiting for Becker to do something to change the tide, also. Was at the semifinal game @ Albright, but the reason escapes me why I wasn't there for the championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2012, 08:19:44 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 05, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Yes, many times. I lived in Binghamton from 2000-2004. In fact, I think you and I met in person once, many moons (like 8-10 years) ago, either at King's or Scranton.  That's back when Colonel John was a student at Wilkes. I was about 30 pounds lighter and moderately less bald then.

I sort of functioned as the radio guy for Scranton's men in their last Sweet 16 run. This was before Dean Corwin and the WUSR arrangement. The two Scranton teams didn't have  consistent radio coverage and I was basically looking to fill my weekends when Cortland State wasn't playing at home (I worked with Cortland consistently from 2000-2004).

So I started covering the Royals with online broadcasts during the regular season and followed them all the way through the tournament. I really enjoyed that season.  Coaches Danzig and Strong were great. Kevin Southard was a tremendous host. The atmosphere was exciting. I still think of Derek Elphick everytime I drive by a sign for Moosic, PA.  I was very happy to be along for the ride. In that case, I actually did follow Scranton to Wooster...though I was there for D3hoops, technically.

A year or two later Dean started working with WUSR.  I've still covered games at Scranton occassionally since then, but less often. Dean does a tremendous job -- he's one of the best at this level -- so I don't add much value in broadcasting those games, particularly now with the video coverage.  I still see the Royals on the road.

I don't really work with any specific school for hoops.  I played a similar role for Cabrini this year that I did for Scranton in the early 2000s, but I don't work exclusively with the program.  That's another reason I'm not following them to Vermont.  But again, I've very much enjoyed covering the Cavs this season. I've just been fortunate to be the right guy in the right place. The Cabrini and Scranton programs seem similar to me in many respects.

End of resume post.  Sorry for dominating conversation here.


Judging by the dramatic drop in my Karma, I obviously upset the F&M juveniles. Truth, it hurts so bad.

Gordon "Manfred" Mann, in chronological order:

Did you live in Binghamton on purpose?  ;D
We did meet at the Scranton/King's twinbill when I was sentenced to cover both games.
We are all 30 pounds heavier (me for sure) but not balding, thank you.
I actually thought you were Marco "solid utilityman" Scutaro.
I haven't awaken to read the rest yet, but I will...
Finally, look for a 90-win season for the Orioles this year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2012, 08:47:06 AM
cold_case,
Judging by the dramatic drop in my Karma, I obviously upset the F&M juveniles. Truth, it hurts so bad.

Your bias is showing again.  I didn't take away any karma.  I don't see that many F&M responders on this site, and I understand that you can only take/give karma once a day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2012, 09:27:11 AM
Mr. Seat, I never said you, did I? There were several FnM posters here yesterday including onetinsoldier.
Never liked that guy ... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 06, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
Middlebury's Pipin Gym only seats 1200... not very big.  Better get your tickets quick! Cabrini is running a fan bus - didn't see anything from Scranton yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 06, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
CC:

Ha, yeah I lived in Binghamton by choice.  I took a job with a State Senator who has his main office there.
And you have a good memory -- I was formerly the artist known as Marco Scutaro. I adopted that moniker one night when he had a pinch hit triple to win a game for my beloved Mets. They would be lucky to have him, but that won't happen unless he wants to play for free.

And +k to you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2012, 12:46:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 06, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
CC:

Ha, yeah I lived in Binghamton by choice.  I took a job with a State Senator who has his main office there.
And you have a good memory -- I was formerly the artist known as Marco Scutaro. I adopted that moniker one night when he had a pinch hit triple to win a game for my beloved Mets. They would be lucky to have him, but that won't happen unless he wants to play for free.

And +k to you.

You too!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
BTW, where is D.B. Cooper hiding? No pun intended...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2012, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 06, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
BTW, where is D.B. Cooper hiding? No pun intended...

Zing!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 06, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
It's hard to believe the NCAA gods would take a chance on awarding a site which has a gym capacity of only 1,200....I knew Middlebury had a great women's XC program but didn't know about their quality men's hoops program. Seems like they heavily recruit from the Jersey area - 5 on the roster from that state.....Will probably not be making the pilgrimage to Vermont this weekend but would definitely like to meet Ronk, Augie, and Saratoga at a future Royals game (Were you there at the game against Drew in Madison ?)..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2012, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 06, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
It's hard to believe the NCAA gods would take a chance on awarding a site which has a gym capacity of only 1,200....I knew Middlebury had a great women's XC program but didn't know about their quality men's hoops program. Seems like they heavily recruit from the Jersey area - 5 on the roster from that state.....Will probably not be making the pilgrimage to Vermont this weekend but would definitely like to meet Ronk, Augie, and Saratoga at a future Royals game (Were you there at the game against Drew in Madison ?)..

Add Cold Case and I...maybe join the team on their Florida trip next year? =)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2012, 06:48:15 PM
You realize how many schools have 1,200 capacity gyms?

I was at Transylvania which is listed at 1,200 - though it felt far bigger and standing room I am sure they could have gotten more in.

I work at and graduated from Goucher which is 1,200 but feels bigger and they could add bleachers to add even more.

Cabrini is 1,200 at best, I believe.

1,200 is a very common number for Division III schools... I believe the cut-off is 1,000... but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: trixiep on March 06, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 06, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
It's hard to believe the NCAA gods would take a chance on awarding a site which has a gym capacity of only 1,200....I knew Middlebury had a great women's XC program but didn't know about their quality men's hoops program. Seems like they heavily recruit from the Jersey area - 5 on the roster from that state.....Will probably not be making the pilgrimage to Vermont this weekend but would definitely like to meet Ronk, Augie, and Saratoga at a future Royals game (Were you there at the game against Drew in Madison ?)..
Middlebury has won 32 National Championships in 8 different sports since the NESCAC lifted the academically motivated ban on NCAA postseason team play in 1995, more than any D3 school in the country during that time period.  Their athletic staff have hosted dozens of regional, sectional, and final 4 events, and do a great job at putting them on.  To get a feel for the success of  Middlebury College athletics make sure you check out the NCAA trophies, National Championship team pictures, and Sports Illustrated articles in the atrium that connects the gym to the pool and the hockey rink.  You will be blown away. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 06, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
And there's always ESPN's 2010 Emmy-award winning story "Picking Up Butch," which shows what Middlebury athletics is all about:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5757413

I challenge anyone--regardless of school affiliation--to watch it without your eyes welling up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2012, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Bucket on March 06, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
And there's always ESPN's 2010 Emmy-award winning story "Picking Up Butch," which shows what Middlebury athletics is all about:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5757413

I challenge anyone--regardless of school affiliation--to watch it without your eyes welling up.

Thanks for sharing that Bucket.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2012, 08:32:07 PM
  Well, Scranton has That Championship Season by student Jason Miller. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
  Looks like Butch is Middlebury's not-so-secret weapon. Good story and, as was said in the video, an important life lesson for everyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2012, 08:06:02 AM
Quote from: trixiep on March 06, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 06, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
It's hard to believe the NCAA gods would take a chance on awarding a site which has a gym capacity of only 1,200....I knew Middlebury had a great women's XC program but didn't know about their quality men's hoops program. Seems like they heavily recruit from the Jersey area - 5 on the roster from that state.....Will probably not be making the pilgrimage to Vermont this weekend but would definitely like to meet Ronk, Augie, and Saratoga at a future Royals game (Were you there at the game against Drew in Madison ?)..
Middlebury has won 32 National Championships in 8 different sports since the NESCAC lifted the academically motivated ban on NCAA postseason team play in 1995, more than any D3 school in the country during that time period.  Their athletic staff have hosted dozens of regional, sectional, and final 4 events, and do a great job at putting them on.  To get a feel for the success of  Middlebury College athletics make sure you check out the NCAA trophies, National Championship team pictures, and Sports Illustrated articles in the atrium that connects the gym to the pool and the hockey rink.  You will be blown away.

I think this is about hosting and travel, not trophies. No?

And, judging by a minus Karma, it appears D.B. Cooper lives. I would love to give my thoughts on what D.B. stands for but it should be obvious ... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2012, 12:37:25 PM
So who guards Sharry on Friday night?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Swakula w/ some zone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Swakula w/ some zone.

I like it! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 08, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Swakula w/ some zone.

I like it! ;D

AKA a box and one ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 12:39:57 PM
Just when you thought you heard it all ...


http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oXlkFXr2
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 01:19:15 PM
Sounds a little self-centered.
I'm sure she disappointed her teammates.
I guess she figured they wouldn't beat Amherst.
The school certainly dropped her quickly from the roster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 08, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 12:39:57 PM
Just when you thought you heard it all ...


http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oXlkFXr2

Want an intriguing story.  I dont know this girl's history, but i always believed that a spring break trip is something every college student should do once.  Also, who knows if there was any/what amount of non-refundable money was at stake. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
Sorry - but I don't think any experience like Spring Break trumps playing in the Sweet 16 in your senior year... and if you read the article, she clearly didn't tell her coach or teammates - so she knew it was a bad decision, most likely.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 02:14:38 PM
Honestly, I think her priorities are in order. This is D-III. She won't be playing in the WNBA so go for it.
And, like my boy onetinsoldier said, maybe the monies were not refundable. There is a recession going on. Who has that kind of scratch to just throw away. If that is the reason. I will see what I can come up with.
BTW, did you hear Scranton coach Carl Danzig on Sunday night: "The team doesn't care about what other people think of the squad, nor do they care about regional rankings, etc."
Good job, Carl
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 02:29:55 PM
Talked to several athletics this afternoon,  and they said they would be furious if a teammate did that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 08, 2012, 02:46:49 PM
Holy smokes, Saratoga, the first time in our shared d3 history that i completely agree with you!  Cancun will always be there - the chance to compete in the NCAA Tournament for some high stakes WILL NOT!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.

Maybe this run will finally get Scranton some respect, I doubt it based on Dave's interview of Carl Danzig over the weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2012, 02:49:44 PM

She played 12 minutes total over two tournament games.  It's not like she was exactly integral.

She messed up not telling anyone ahead of time, but I really can't fault the decision to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
Kate: Does that mean there have been numerous times you "partially" agreed with reason???  ;)
Just think Kate, in 2 more weeks it's over...then the long wait with eternal optimism for next fall & another wonderful year of basketball.
It goes by far too quickly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.

Why won't she enjoy her final couple months as a King's student? This is D-III, not UConn.
And why was it a totally predictable line by Danzig?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.

Maybe this run will finally get Scranton some respect, I doubt it based on Dave's interview of Carl Danzig over the weekend.

What does Dave have to do with it? Unless he's a voter?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 03:21:37 PM
I'll start with your last question first. You've been around the game a little CC & I'm sure you've done your fair share of interviews & then received an even fairer share of canned responses.
When asked about regional rankings, what do you really expect him to say? Do you really think any coach is going to bitch & moan that his team gets little respect etc. etc. at the very time his program is getting some press?
Coaches don't operate that way...they say it really doesn't matter, the kids don't even notice, we still do the same things regardless & on & on it goes.
Coaches generally take the high road, downplay any perceived slights & use those slights as a rallying call for the troops. It's us against them etc. etc.
It's been that way forever & for you or anyone to expect anything less than that from Carl or any experienced coach is just a push for something that isn't there.
Next question.
In my other role in life beyond basketball fan, I see firsthand how group dynamics work & some of the negitive consequences that arise from actions deemed unacceptable by peer groups. In many instances, friendships are strained & even lost. I hope that this young lady is strong & that some of the typical nonsense that can take place never does.
These action & reactions are human nature when it's at its worst & take place on every campus regardless of size or NCAA affiliation.
I would like to think all will be well upon her return & her teammates understanding of her decision even if her notification was done poorly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.

Maybe this run will finally get Scranton some respect, I doubt it based on Dave's interview of Carl Danzig over the weekend.

What does Dave have to do with it? Unless he's a voter?

I don't think Dave gives Scranton any respect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 08, 2012, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: kate on March 08, 2012, 02:46:49 PM
Holy smokes, Saratoga, the first time in our shared d3 history that i completely agree with you!  Cancun will always be there - the chance to compete in the NCAA Tournament for some high stakes WILL NOT!!!

this isnt meant to be a defense of the girl, but while cancun might always be there (current US State department warnings about going to Mexico aside), the experience of going to cancun with your college friends, while in college, with tens of thousands of college students ends for this person next week.  We all know as adults that she'll likely regret this decision, but that said there might be private factors at play here. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
This is a prime example of why any college student playing a sport that may run into their booked Spring break should invest an extra $50.00 for Travel Insurance.
To each their own but, I have a hard time thinking the player in question is really going to enjoy herself down there.
She may not enjoy her last 2 months back on campus either.
Cancun will always be there, the chance to play in a Sweet 16 game at any time during your college career is offered to only a select few.
As far as Scranton not "caring about Regional rankings"...totally predictable line considering where they were just a few weeks ago. However, they may want to reconsider that approach as those rankings many times play a very large role in determining which schools host & which schools are packing for 6 hour bus rides.

Maybe this run will finally get Scranton some respect, I doubt it based on Dave's interview of Carl Danzig over the weekend.

What does Dave have to do with it? Unless he's a voter?

I don't think Dave gives Scranton any respect.

NEPA - you couldn't be more wrong. I enjoy talking Coach Danzig and am always impressed that the Royals continue to get it done, year after year. That being said, I also will say if I think a team has holes or doesn't play to their potential. I think the Royals are good, but I think the outcome would have been different if they played against a much different William Paterson squad... and I think their match-ups against Middlebury are extremely difficult.

Those thoughts are not disrespect for the program, they are simply observations. And I don't ever remember asking Coach Danzig a regional ranking question... since I never saw them ranked, it wasn't a topic of conversation. He brought up the rankings as part of his response.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
  My understanding is that Dave is a voter for the men's top 25.
  Any Royals going to spring break instead of Middlebury?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
I don't hide that fact...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 08, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 08, 2012, 02:49:44 PM

She played 12 minutes total over two tournament games.  It's not like she was exactly integral.

She messed up not telling anyone ahead of time, but I really can't fault the decision to go.

She might not have been integral last weekend, but she was the team's leading scorer and a second-team All-Freedom selection.  She was a team captain as a junior.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 08, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 08, 2012, 02:49:44 PM

She played 12 minutes total over two tournament games.  It's not like she was exactly integral.

She messed up not telling anyone ahead of time, but I really can't fault the decision to go.

She might not have been integral last weekend, but she was the team's leading scorer and a second-team All-Freedom selection.  She was a team captain as a junior.

Maybe she was just upset playing only 12 minutes in two tournament games?  I don't know.  Like I said, she should have at least told someone about it.  I love sports, but I'm happy for every student athlete who understands sports aren't everything in life.  I'll put up with a few who don't take it seriously enough over the many who take it far too seriously.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 08, 2012, 05:22:04 PM
Cold case, i'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but it doesn't matter the division a team going for a championship is in, no matter from a jr. college to Connecticut, it's the team that could possibly suffer.  She's not a freshman in this program, she's a senior, and i just feel that a senior should care about her team a little more than that.  Over & out.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
Dave,


Nothing personal, I just like how Danzig (like any coach) defended his program. Facts are Facts and Scranton, F&M, and Cabrini are the only three mid Atlantic teams left.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Nothing personal? Then what the heck does this mean: "I don't think Dave gives Scranton any respect."

That seems personal to me...

And I am fine with a coach defending his program... though, we hate coach speak. But I am also going to ask the questions that should be asked... and when people ask for my opinion on a team I will give that as well. I am not harsh and I am not mean... but I state my thoughts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2012, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Nothing personal? Then what the heck does this mean: "I don't think Dave gives Scranton any respect."

That seems personal to me...

And I am fine with a coach defending his program... though, we hate coach speak. But I am also going to ask the questions that should be asked... and when people ask for my opinion on a team I will give that as well. I am not harsh and I am not mean... but I state my thoughts.

I didn't know this. What is your platform for being annointed such power in these rankings and sticking it to teams? Just because you have issues with a team it's gospel?
Now I know why Scranton is always on the short end!
And, when you have to resort to defending yourself, you've already proven your guilt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 08:02:20 PM
Seriously?! Final comment on this... I have one vote among 25 people in the Top 25... there are 24 other voters who didn't put the Royals on their ballots.

Regional rankings are done by the NCAA committees... I have nothing to do with it.

Finally... I never said my opinion was gospel... it is just that... opinion. Take it as such... seems you think my word is gospel. And I am defending shots taken at me for no reason - which has happened by people like yourself, cold_case, in the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Nothing personal? Then what the heck does this mean: "I don't think Dave gives Scranton any respect."

That seems personal to me...

And I am fine with a coach defending his program... though, we hate coach speak. But I am also going to ask the questions that should be asked... and when people ask for my opinion on a team I will give that as well. I am not harsh and I am not mean... but I state my thoughts.

Yes, nothing personal. I appreciate your posts on this board and Hoopsville, just wish you were a little higher on the Royals. We got a post about how bright the future of Catholic is, but not a peep about the Scranton Royals.

Maybe Royal Nation is just feeling it's oats with this unexpected run...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 08:45:05 PM
NEPA - I figured there were so many people here posting about the Royals, I would give a nod to Catholic. I have certainly posted about others, but when asked. Next time I will give a report on all of the teams during the season ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 08, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Dave justify yourself because it seems like you skipped my thought.You said to coach Danzing bluntly that Middlebury is better then Scranton on paper i want you to justify yourself and hoopsville for coming out with that comment.The game is played on the court and not on paper and i agree with these people,you people on d3hoops do not give much credit to Scranton men and women!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 08, 2012, 10:04:54 PM
Good grief, people. An opinion is an opinion. Nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
augie - you didn't listen to my comment very carefully then... I said, "as I said earlier on the show when asked what I thought and I will repeat so you know what I said, I think looking at the teams on paper Middlebury has a size advantage... etc." I repeated it so that coach would understand what I had said earlier in the show and that he didn't hear later what I said when he wasn't on air - that was out of respect for him... I wasn't hiding from what I had said earlier when he was on.

Do you realize I see Scranton quite a bit during a normal season? I also watch a good number of teams across the country either in person on via video streams. So, when someone asked me earlier in the show that night what I thought about the match-up, I stated my opinion was the game presents Scranton with some match-up problems. I repeated that so Coach Danzig understood I had said it earlier and wasn't pretending I hadn't - that wouldn't be fair.

And what kind of respect do you want us to give more then the fact we have had them on the show already this season, for starters? They lost to Misericordia, Ramapo, Elizabethtown, and Cabrini in non-conference action. They lost to Susquehanna, Juniata, and Drew in conference play. Goucher played them tough in Towson and Messiah nearly took them out in the first round (they had to come form 18 down in the second half - great comeback, but they were still down).

When asked my opinion... I will continue to say that Scranton I think has a match-up problem with Middlebury - something we might have seen if William Paterson had remembered to get up last Friday out of their beds and actually play basketball against Becker.

If Scranton beats Middlebury tomorrow night, then my opinion was wrong. But that is what is great about opinions... we all have them... and we are all allowed to state them. You don't have to agree with mine... but at least I respect yours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 08:48:40 AM
We only dinging them for their losses or also giving them credit for their wins?

By the way, 50 word preview of the game in the Scranton Times....unreal.


Since it worked the past two games, "Just Win Baby"!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: augie on March 08, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Dave justify yourself because it seems like you skipped my thought.You said to coach Danzing bluntly that Middlebury is better then Scranton on paper i want you to justify yourself and hoopsville for coming out with that comment.The game is played on the court and not on paper and i agree with these people,you people on d3hoops do not give much credit to Scranton men and women!

Maybe the fact that everyone outside of Scranton believes it.  That's some justification.

If Scranton wins the game tonight, it will be the biggest possible upset in this round of the tournament.  It will vindicate the Scranton detractors who don't like the bad losses and weak schedule.  Just win the game and people will give the team it's due.

Right now, they're big underdogs.  That's just fact.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 09, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: augie on March 08, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Dave justify yourself because it seems like you skipped my thought.You said to coach Danzing bluntly that Middlebury is better then Scranton on paper i want you to justify yourself and hoopsville for coming out with that comment.The game is played on the court and not on paper and i agree with these people,you people on d3hoops do not give much credit to Scranton men and women!

Maybe the fact that everyone outside of Scranton believes it.  That's some justification.

If Scranton wins the game tonight, it will be the biggest possible upset in this round of the tournament.  It will vindicate the Scranton detractors who don't like the bad losses and weak schedule.  Just win the game and people will give the team it's due.

Right now, they're big underdogs.  That's just fact.

Hoops Fan, I noticed you only come on this board when there is controversy. How come? And what contemplates a "weak" schedule? This is not Kentucky, Duke or UNC we're talking about...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 09, 2012, 09:28:50 AM
Will Scranton fans be bringing the continent-sized chip on their collective shoulders to Vermont?

Good gravy, I've never seen anything like this.

I have the utmost respect for the Royals. I think they are a very good team: well-coached, talented, with the intangible never-give-up attitude that can serve you very well this time of year. I think tonight's game against Middlebury will be a great contest. Do I think Middlebury should win? Yes. Would I be surprised if Scranton did? No. At this point in the tournament, only really good teams are left. Anything can happen.

I just wish that the Scranton faithful would chill a little bit, cut back on the whining, and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 09:30:38 AM
Scranton has nothing to prove, they got the monkey off their back with an epic comeback against Messiah and destroyed Becker. Who cares if it was back to back games for Becker, no excuses Scranton dominated.

I don't think they have to beat Midd to prove that they are a good team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Why argue with the guy? If it were F&M in Scranton's position, they'd be yapping up a storm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2012, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 09, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: augie on March 08, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Dave justify yourself because it seems like you skipped my thought.You said to coach Danzing bluntly that Middlebury is better then Scranton on paper i want you to justify yourself and hoopsville for coming out with that comment.The game is played on the court and not on paper and i agree with these people,you people on d3hoops do not give much credit to Scranton men and women!

Maybe the fact that everyone outside of Scranton believes it.  That's some justification.

If Scranton wins the game tonight, it will be the biggest possible upset in this round of the tournament.  It will vindicate the Scranton detractors who don't like the bad losses and weak schedule.  Just win the game and people will give the team it's due.

Right now, they're big underdogs.  That's just fact.

Hoops Fan, I noticed you only come on this board when there is controversy. How come? And what contemplates a "weak" schedule? This is not Kentucky, Duke or UNC we're talking about...

I don't usually frequent the MA boards - I've been here this week because of the tournament and I'm headed to F&M tonight.

It's not their fault the schedule is weak - the conference and the region have been down this year.  But it doesn't really matter since we have a tournament and Scranton is still alive.  They can prove how good they are on the court - no team can ask for more than that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: Bucket on March 09, 2012, 09:28:50 AM
Will Scranton fans be bringing the continent-sized chip on their collective shoulders to Vermont?

Good gravy, I've never seen anything like this.

I have the utmost respect for the Royals. I think they are a very good team: well-coached, talented, with the intangible never-give-up attitude that can serve you very well this time of year. I think tonight's game against Middlebury will be a great contest. Do I think Middlebury should win? Yes. Would I be surprised if Scranton did? No. At this point in the tournament, only really good teams are left. Anything can happen.

I just wish that the Scranton faithful would chill a little bit, cut back on the whining, and enjoy the ride.

Hoops, when they are given a fair shake (HAHAHA) then all their fans will take a step back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 09, 2012, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Why argue with the guy? If it were F&M in Scranton's position, they'd be yapping up a storm.

haha, yeah the F&M boards have been eerily quiet this post season.  I think most are either cautiously optimistic or are still too scarred from 94 and 04 to talk. 

If i had to make a gun to my head prediction about that pod, i think F&M will win tonight but lose to MIT tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 09, 2012, 10:15:51 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 09:30:38 AM
Scranton has nothing to prove, they got the monkey off their back with an epic comeback against Messiah and destroyed Becker. Who cares if it was back to back games for Becker, no excuses Scranton dominated.

I don't think they have to beat Midd to prove that they are a good team.

Exactly my sentiments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
Hey, need guidiance from out there....I'm still a a second-stringer ! Ha ! :-)    To view the Scranton - Middlebury game, do I go into the Scranton Univ. athletics website and click "webcasts"  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 07:29:19 PM
you can view it from the d3hoops front page-just won't get the Scranton audio; I'll check for the scranton audio on another window.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 07:31:21 PM
Tip off is in ten minutes....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
  Scranton audio just started 1 min ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
Thanks !!          I got it.....Went to the Middlebury site..................GO ROYALS !!!   Shoot the eyes out of the basket !  Let it rain 3zzzzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 07:47:52 PM
Video just froze on me...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
yes, it's buffering.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 07:56:01 PM
still frozen
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 07:58:20 PM
Working for me....16-9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
Royals not playing well but hanging around....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 08:11:29 PM
Matchbox gym...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 08:12:50 PM
Need to start hitting some 3s....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
One team or another or both are going to light it up in 2nd half ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 08:22:20 PM
I see Butch!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 08:32:53 PM
  Who's going to make more 3s in the 2nd half; Morgan can get to the hoop if he avoids the charge.
8 offensive rebounds for Middlebury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Agree....Middlebury may be big BUT slow...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
T. Morgan DUNK!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 08:45:22 PM
Weak foul calls..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 09:31:11 PM
A dunk and a game winner for TM !!!!   Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!   Shades of '76 ??????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 09, 2012, 09:31:11 PM
A dunk and a game winner for TM !!!!   Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!   Shades of '76 ??????


Holy Crap! What a game!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Congrats to the Royals!!  Next up a familiar foe.  Scranton and Cabrini at 7:00pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
  Just listened to a delayed buffering of last 5 mins ofScranton audio; it was great to hear them go wild at the finish. I had listened to Mid audio during the game becuz Scranton audio was seconds ahead of game video.
  Royals didn't let them pull ahead in 2nd half, although turnover, missed layup and 2 missed FTs could have been our downfall. 5th foul on Luke was terrible call.
  Caution on Cabrini: their best frontline player(Alton-Moss) was a semester break addition and didn't play in the earlier game this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Ronk,

How did you listen to the delayed audio? Hoping that play is on Sportscenter top 10!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
  Ihad the WUSR window open but paused, then i resumed it at the end of the game and it picked up with 5 mins to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
  Just listened to a delayed buffering of last 5 mins ofScranton audio; it was great to hear them go wild at the finish. I had listened to Mid audio during the game becuz Scranton audio was seconds ahead of game video.
  Royals didn't let them pull ahead in 2nd half, although turnover, missed layup and 2 missed FTs could have been our downfall. 5th foul on Luke was terrible call.
  Caution on Cabrini: their best frontline player(Alton-Moss) was a semester break addition and didn't play in the earlier game this year.

You're right ronk.  Walton-Moss has been a monster on the boards for Cabrini.  He has had 4 straight double doubles.  It will be a great game.  Looking forward to it!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 09, 2012, 10:43:44 PM
Congrats Scranton. You guys had a great game plan milking the clock and seemed to hit big shot after big shot. Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
Bucket,
  Thanks for the best wishes. Enjoyed the msg board chat with you. Hopefully, the Royals can be as effective tomorrow.

Mailsy,
  I picked Walton-Moss for my fantasy team and he's been an outstanding contributor, but I'd trade a poor performance tomorrow for a Royals' victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2012, 12:05:12 AM

See, Scranton, no need to get worked up.  You proved yourself on the court and took out the best defensive team in the country.  Way to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 10, 2012, 12:07:24 AM
So, Scrantonians, what's more important tomorrow (well, today) - the game or the St. Patrick's Day Parade?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2012, 12:18:28 AM
Very impressed Royals... very impressed. Heck of a shot to end it... but also heck of a job to be in that position. Glad you went out there and proved you could play with Middlebury... helping lead to the fact that for the first time since 2001... there will be no UAA or NESCAC team in Salem!

Round of applause!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2012, 12:44:37 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on March 10, 2012, 12:07:24 AM
So, Scrantonians, what's more important tomorrow (well, today) - the game or the St. Patrick's Day Parade?  ;D

  It was a tradition, for a couple of years(2005,6 on the women's side), that we combined the parade with hosting the elite 8 game; made for an interesting pregame as the students came into the Long Center after a day of parading and imbibing. Hopefully, we can back to those good ol' days. Enjoy the 2nd biggest St. Pat's parade in the country, Grove. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 10, 2012, 12:56:21 AM
Just got in from Middlebury what a snowstorm we just went through.Lets start by giving the Royals all the respect in the world.Travis hit a big shot at the end and coach Danzing ran into the stands afterward.All i can say is what a shot he hit. It was right in front of the bench and the place went silent just like some of the critics.Great job Royals the 30 fans we had there we had your back.GO ROYALS
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2012, 12:58:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2012, 12:18:28 AM
Very impressed Royals... very impressed. Heck of a shot to end it... but also heck of a job to be in that position. Glad you went out there and proved you could play with Middlebury... helping lead to the fact that for the first time since 2001... there will be no UAA or NESCAC team in Salem!

Round of applause!

  Unlike the forecast, Middlebury didn't present demonstrably difficult matchups, after all. Cabrini, with their recent addition, might do so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2012, 01:01:26 AM
Augie,
Bring us 1 more victory, tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 10, 2012, 01:08:58 AM
Hopefully they will ronk!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 10, 2012, 01:41:36 AM
congrats to scranton.  what a win validating everything the posters here have said all week.  where is cold case, is he at farleys getting ready for parade day?? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2012, 07:23:27 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 10, 2012, 01:41:36 AM
congrats to scranton.  what a win validating everything the posters here have said all week.  where is cold case, is he at farleys getting ready for parade day??

Don't laugh but I watched the first half then had to go with the woman to shop for drapes and bedding. Was shocked when NEPA told me the final.
OK, all of you can go ahead and laugh but at least I manned up and admitted it .... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2012, 07:51:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Caution on Cabrini: their best frontline player(Alton-Moss) was a semester break addition and didn't play in the earlier game this year.

ronk, you've missed the gist of your above post.
It's trendy for MAC schools to add transfers at anytime. It's their way of life, which is why Scranton and others left for greener academic pastures.
Cripes, at Del Valley, they had two different seasonal rosters. I remember King's played them in December then in January, DV had a completely different roster. Incredible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2012, 08:24:41 AM
Middlebury hadn't lost in two years in their gym!


Any truth to the rumor that 2 starters are skipping today's game for the parade?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 10, 2012, 08:30:35 AM
Congratulations to Scranton nation!  Cold case, i should be congratulating you, too, as you have just given us the gift of Cabrini in our MAC!  Thank YOU!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2012, 10:20:08 AM
Thanks to NEPAFAN for the link ...
Middlebury's game tying bucket followee by Scranton's buzzer beater. Ilegal screens on both baskets, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2012, 11:33:45 AM
How about Coach Danzig's celebration???!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: loyalroyal on March 10, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
Hey everyone,

I was just checking the Men's top 25 and noticed that going into the NCAA tournament, Scranton did not have one single solitary vote to appear in the Top 25.  I was curious if any men's team has advanced to the Final Four without having a vote in the Top 25.

Let's go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 11, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 09, 2012, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 09, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Why argue with the guy? If it were F&M in Scranton's position, they'd be yapping up a storm.

haha, yeah the F&M boards have been eerily quiet this post season.  I think most are either cautiously optimistic or are still too scarred from 94 and 04 to talk. 

If i had to make a gun to my head prediction about that pod, i think F&M will win tonight but lose to MIT tomorrow.
i live, but my diplomats dont. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
Issues with the site last night...Just wanted to applaud Scranton for their run this year and wish Cabrini luck in the Final Four.


I am sure Scranton will recieve some Top 25 votes.... ;D

Hopefully we will have some good things to chat about in the offseason...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 12, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
I was planning on a buddy-road trip to Va. if the Royals made it that far. Hey, it was a great run by Scranton and they did it with guts and class. ..Gave my fam a suggestion to purchase me Royals logo for future celebrations, aka upcoming birthday. Was disappointed that I, too,  could NOT get video for the game Saturday night. .......Congrats to Cabrini. I'm now pulling for them to win it all...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2012, 12:19:12 PM
  Sat nite I switched from trying d3hoops video link to the gomiddtv link directly and got the video with 7:12 to go in the 1st half.
  Would have been great to have gotten together 1 more time at the final 4. Had a good time at the women's final 4 in 2005 - real family atmosphere with a team hotel, lobby discussions, Mass, dinner reception in addition to the basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 12, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 12, 2012, 12:19:12 PM
  Sat nite I switched from trying d3hoops video link to the gomiddtv link directly and got the video with 7:12 to go in the 1st half.
  Would have been great to have gotten together 1 more time at the final 4. Had a good time at the women's final 4 in 2005 - real family atmosphere with a team hotel, lobby discussions, Mass, dinner reception in addition to the basketball.

Yeah, the basketball game... :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 14, 2012, 09:20:11 AM
Interesting article from D3hoops on Cabrini's transfer "DI" player --- (according to the article all but academically...)
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/from-open-gym-to-salem (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/from-open-gym-to-salem)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 14, 2012, 09:20:11 AM
Interesting article from D3hoops on Cabrini's transfer "DI" player --- (according to the article all but academically...)
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/from-open-gym-to-salem (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/from-open-gym-to-salem)

Still want to know why Scranton left the MAC or do you already know?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Cabrini is in the PAC.


Karma at 10? Ouch!!! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 15, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Cabrini is in the Colonial States Athletic Conference, formerly the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 12:55:24 PM
Quote from: kate on March 15, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Cabrini is in the Colonial States Athletic Conference, formerly the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference.

Even worse. Kate, are you making it personal by taking karma from me daily?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 15, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
Hi Cold Case, only when you keep emphasizing what you're feeling about how our local leagues operate.  I'm sure Scranton men & women would be thrilled to get an athletic player mid-season, or a transfer at any point in said season.  As a matter of fact, i seem to remember some transfers a few years back on the women's side that helped that team quite a bit.  Personally, i think it's wonderful to give a kid, male or female the chance for a little notoriety while they're still able to run the court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: kate on March 15, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
Hi Cold Case, only when you keep emphasizing what you're feeling about how our local leagues operate.  I'm sure Scranton men & women would be thrilled to get an athletic player mid-season, or a transfer at any point in said season.  As a matter of fact, i seem to remember some transfers a few years back on the women's side that helped that team quite a bit.  Personally, i think it's wonderful to give a kid, male or female the chance for a little notoriety while they're still able to run the court.

Kate, sure I would love to see the Scranton men/women get a transfer or two but at what cost?
I guess it would depend on the GPA of that student. Also, they better come from wealthy parents because Scranton doesn't hand out cash because he or she is a great athlete.
BTW, why aren't you banned for smiting posters? I understand LustyLarryintheToilet got whacked for taking karma away from a certain moderator on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 15, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
A 21 year old 'freshman'... who is one of the best on the team ... who just 'happened' to be in the gym at the right time... really?  I'm not sure how I feel... yes, he should be given a chance, and opportunity at a better life - but I'm not sure that should be mid season, and he should have a full credit load.  And, it was his GRADES that held him back... grades. How can he excel at Cabrini if he couldn't excel in highschool?  It just seems fishy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
If a D1 school takes a pass on you due to grades it certianly makes you think....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2012, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 15, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
A 21 year old 'freshman'... who is one of the best on the team ... who just 'happened' to be in the gym at the right time... really?  I'm not sure how I feel... yes, he should be given a chance, and opportunity at a better life - but I'm not sure that should be mid season, and he should have a full credit load.  And, it was his GRADES that held him back... grades. How can he excel at Cabrini if he couldn't excel in highschool?  It just seems fishy.

A few years of adult life change a lot.  Cabrini's got some connections to talent (as evidenced by a pro player hosting a pick-up game there).  I've seen a lot of kids who struggle in high school get their act together once they realize what they're giving up my missing out on education.

He evidently only needed one semester at a CC to get his grades up to admission standards.

Cory Lemons was an older freshman as well, I believe.  Time will tell how it works out for him, but just assuming a bad student at 17 or 18 is automatically a bad student at 21 doesn't make sense.

I've seen plenty of kids with good grades in HS screw up freshman year of college before reality sinks in and they get serious about school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 05:52:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 15, 2012, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 15, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
A 21 year old 'freshman'... who is one of the best on the team ... who just 'happened' to be in the gym at the right time... really?  I'm not sure how I feel... yes, he should be given a chance, and opportunity at a better life - but I'm not sure that should be mid season, and he should have a full credit load.  And, it was his GRADES that held him back... grades. How can he excel at Cabrini if he couldn't excel in highschool?  It just seems fishy.

A few years of adult life change a lot.  Cabrini's got some connections to talent (as evidenced by a pro player hosting a pick-up game there).  I've seen a lot of kids who struggle in high school get their act together once they realize what they're giving up my missing out on education.

He evidently only needed one semester at a CC to get his grades up to admission standards.

Cory Lemons was an older freshman as well, I believe.  Time will tell how it works out for him, but just assuming a bad student at 17 or 18 is automatically a bad student at 21 doesn't make sense.

I've seen plenty of kids with good grades in HS screw up freshman year of college before reality sinks in and they get serious about school.

Hoopster, I think you're missing the point. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 05:52:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 15, 2012, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 15, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
A 21 year old 'freshman'... who is one of the best on the team ... who just 'happened' to be in the gym at the right time... really?  I'm not sure how I feel... yes, he should be given a chance, and opportunity at a better life - but I'm not sure that should be mid season, and he should have a full credit load.  And, it was his GRADES that held him back... grades. How can he excel at Cabrini if he couldn't excel in highschool?  It just seems fishy.

A few years of adult life change a lot.  Cabrini's got some connections to talent (as evidenced by a pro player hosting a pick-up game there).  I've seen a lot of kids who struggle in high school get their act together once they realize what they're giving up my missing out on education.

He evidently only needed one semester at a CC to get his grades up to admission standards.

Cory Lemons was an older freshman as well, I believe.  Time will tell how it works out for him, but just assuming a bad student at 17 or 18 is automatically a bad student at 21 doesn't make sense.

I've seen plenty of kids with good grades in HS screw up freshman year of college before reality sinks in and they get serious about school.

Hoopster, I think you're missing the point.

Maybe I am.  Sorry.  I've worked with a lot of kids who have a similar description and I've seen a lot of assumption made.  I may be oversensitive.  I apologize if that's the case.

What I understood from the story is that he spent a semester already at a JC.  I'm not sure if he's been at Cabrini all year and just not playing (it's pretty common to choose second semester if you have just one semester to use that year).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 15, 2012, 06:30:38 PM
I can't answer that. All I know is if he had poor grades in high school and D-I schools backed off, why would Cabrini take him? Unless they are simply putting athletics ahead of academics, which most, not all, D-III venues do to try and make a name for themselves on the playing field and bring pride, joy and attention to the school name.
Any college with academic morals would not even look the kid's way. Sadly, I have rarely seen that happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 15, 2012, 08:59:03 PM
I have nothing against the kid if he wants to improve himself.  I hope he does.  I hope he graduates and gets an amazing job and support his child and her mother.  It just seems very strange for him to come in mid season with his background.  Wonder if he'll stay at the little d3 next year or if d1 or d1 will pick him up. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2012, 10:06:19 PM
Well, that would be tampering to offer him a scholarship and he'd have to sit out a year, but it's not entirely unheard of.

I'm with the folks here that want to see kids given a chance. If your particular school is too high and mighty to do it, that's fine, but not everyone is Swarthmore. And Scranton isn't Swarthmore, either. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2012, 10:19:09 PM

I went to a d3 school that I'm proud to say gives almost anyone a chance academically if admissions thinks they're worth the risk.

I'm not sure about Cabrini's academic standards, but if they took a semester of good grades at the CC as a sign he's improved his study habits, its a defensible risk.

Again, we really don't know what the back story is - I do think Lemons' story is similar and he's worked out pretty well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 15, 2012, 10:26:01 PM
Pat please specify kids!!!!!Is it 35 year olds or is it kids out of high school please specify.You can go to college and be 28,35 or 37 that is not fair to these kids coming out of high school.Just like you guys praise that kid at Lincoln he was an adult at 28 not a kid so justify when you are saying a kid and a man please.I would really want to know how old Corey lemons is or Knowles?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2012, 10:39:07 PM
We ran a story just a couple days ago on Walton-Moss if you would like to read it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/headlines

I have no problem with a kid taking a couple years off and coming back to school. Would you be doing your superior dance if he'd spent a couple of years in the military instead? A *lot* of students do that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 16, 2012, 08:51:13 AM
I've lurked on this board for years, and have seen the back and forth on how some of you do not like Scranton.... why the dig on Scranton Pat?  Really... was that necessary?  Scranton is not Swathmore?  No need...  Give the kid a chance, but I'm for not letting him play his first year.   If academics and getting a college education are really that important than that is what should be done.  Plus if he is academically challenged, then he will need more time to finish anyway! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
And someone already reference the story on the kid on the front page of D3hoops, that is how the whole discussion got started.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 16, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore. 

I also think the way the article was written had a lot to do with some of the negative comments on this board.  Is the story "young man couldnt get into D1, settles for D3," of is it "young man matures, earns way into Cabrini and fulfills basketball dreams?"  The way the article was written, you would have to believe the former. It harps on his grades, and at no point do we get that ah-ha moment of realization where he truly matures as a person.  All we get are quotes about how great a basketball player he is. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 16, 2012, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 16, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore. 

I also think the way the article was written had a lot to do with some of the negative comments on this board.  Is the story "young man couldnt get into D1, settles for D3," of is it "young man matures, earns way into Cabrini and fulfills basketball dreams?" 

Earned? I'm sorry but I have a problem with that.
I can say more but I can't. However, I will add if this school took the low road to basketball success like many in this division, shame on them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 16, 2012, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2012, 10:06:19 PM
If your particular school is too high and mighty to do it, that's fine, but not everyone is Swarthmore. And Scranton isn't Swarthmore, either. :)

I like that but can't think of a comeback. Give me some time. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 16, 2012, 08:51:13 AM
Give the kid a chance, but I'm for not letting him play his first year.

Well, he didn't play his first semester. That's not uncommon at other schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 16, 2012, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 16, 2012, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 16, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore. 

I also think the way the article was written had a lot to do with some of the negative comments on this board.  Is the story "young man couldnt get into D1, settles for D3," of is it "young man matures, earns way into Cabrini and fulfills basketball dreams?" 

Earned? I'm sorry but I have a problem with that.
I can say more but I can't. However, I will add if this school took the low road to basketball success like many in this division, shame on them.
AGREED.  Too many things that just 'happened'... Anyway - I wish this kid all the success in life.  I hope he has a great athletic career - but more importantly, gets a good degree and great job.  Basketball, unfortunately, ends way too soon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 16, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
Personally, I wish the young man all the success life has to offer.
However, there are NCAA rules against coach's showing up at playgrounds & even camps & making verbal contact with kids during certain restricted times.
Ask the former coach at Binghamton how the NCAA slammed him for showing up at a showcase where "verbal & or written contact" was expressly forbidden.
Coach B was too big for those rules, he had a program to build & he needed to do it fast because he was personally on the fast track to get out of Bingo & land a BIG time D-I job.
He was reported by fellow coach's at the event & the NCAA stepped in & slammed Binghamton yet again which ultimetely led to his removal as coach. In the 2 years since, numerous violations have been uncovered & that program is in so much disarray it may never recover.
I don't fault the player, he just wants a second chance. However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.
New topic...even though the Royals lost to Cabrini, I think I can speak for everyone that headed North last weekend & say we had a absolutely great time in Middlebury. Beautiful campus, great little New England town, tremendous weather & some good memories. The locals were great & the hosts put on their A game.
All the very best to the Scranton seniors & their wonderful families that travel everywhere with them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 16, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.

The article stated that the Walton-Moss was at Cabrini's gym 'with longtime friend and Sacramento Kings standout Jason Thompson'.  The coach works for the college in the gym. He was at the gym.  He is sometimes, believe it or not, responsible for things that happen in the gym. Your implication is that he went somewhere as the former coach at Binghamton 'showing up at a showcase where verbal & or written contact was expressly forbidden' which is illegal.  You are implying that Coach Kahn did something illegal, when you certainly don't have any facts.  It all seems like sour grapes on your part.  :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2012, 05:52:34 PM
Saratoga,
  The rules for contacts and evaluations, etc. are relatively unrestricted after high school junior year for D3 relative to D1/2; what happened involving Binghamton isn't necessarily inappropriate at the D3 level.
  Glad you enjoyed the get together @ Middlebury; was looking forward to the final 4 in Salem. Will miss Luke and Paul Hawk's parents at future Royal conclaves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 16, 2012, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 16, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
However, a coach's chance meeting as described in the article has red flags going up all over it.

The article stated that the Walton-Moss was at Cabrini's gym 'with longtime friend and Sacramento Kings standout Jason Thompson'.  The coach works for the college in the gym. He was at the gym.  He is sometimes, believe it or not, responsible for things that happen in the gym. Your implication is that he went somewhere as the former coach at Binghamton 'showing up at a showcase where verbal & or written contact was expressly forbidden' which is illegal.  You are implying that Coach Kahn did something illegal, when you certainly don't have any facts.  It all seems like sour grapes on your part.  :(

I don't think saratoga is showing sour grapes. He's being courteous when saying lots of teams take the low road.
Why do you think there is a Landmark Conference? It certainly wasn't because Scranton, Catholic and others failed to compete. Check their history.
They broke away from their old conferences for ONE reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
Cabrini won tonight they play for it all tomorrow.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 16, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
God help me, i shouldn't take the bait, but what did the Capital Athletic Conference do to warrant the departure of Catholic & Goucher?  That's where they both were, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 02:59:21 AM
Kate... simple answer that the many won't say out load... Look at the original CAC and tell me how many schools besides Goucher and Catholic are private... or for that matter private like Goucher and Catholic. You will then get your answer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2012, 08:12:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 02:59:21 AM
Kate... simple answer that the many won't say out load... Look at the original CAC and tell me how many schools besides Goucher and Catholic are private... or for that matter private like Goucher and Catholic. You will then get your answer.

Dave, there was message board alongside the game stream last night and IWU people wanted to know if you and the other guy were Cabrini people, lol. They thought you were a bit biased.
I didn't feel that way and I have to admit, you do have a super radio voice. VERY PROFESSIONAL. GOD, I hated saying that... ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 17, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
Sorry Dave, in my world Diversity Rules!  On a Happy note, at least for our Family, cerebral Lehigh beat cerebral Duke last night 75/70!  And, for whatever it's worth, i personally still miss Scranton & Drew - i've said this since their departure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
Kate, I love diversity as well... but at the same time you can find diversity with commonality. I would say the Landmark Conference is diverse even if it is similar schools.

However, the problem from the CAC point of view for Goucher/Catholic is they are recruiting against schools (i.e. Salisbury) whose tuition are FAR lower even with scholarships. Not saying it should have been the reason to leave... but I do know it was a factor in the decision.

I find it funny that Cabrini fans thought there was a bias against them... I thought at times we weren't giving IWU enough credit. We are going to be neutral (which is why when asked even here in Salem, I am not predicting who I think will win the games - just talking about what I think teams need to do to put them in position to win - keys).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2012, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
Kate, I love diversity as well... but at the same time you can find diversity with commonality. I would say the Landmark Conference is diverse even if it is similar schools.

However, the problem from the CAC point of view for Goucher/Catholic is they are recruiting against schools (i.e. Salisbury) whose tuition are FAR lower even with scholarships. Not saying it should have been the reason to leave... but I do know it was a factor in the decision.

I find it funny that Cabrini fans thought there was a bias against them... I thought at times we weren't giving IWU enough credit. We are going to be neutral (which is why when asked even here in Salem, I am not predicting who I think will win the games - just talking about what I think teams need to do to put them in position to win - keys).
Dave,
  You may have misread Cold case's msg: IWU folks thought you were favoring Cabrini, not vice versa. I thought you were neutral although I'm biased toward Cabrini, now that they've gotten by Scranton(twice this season). Thought you did well, also, in the analyst role.
  WW played MIT very tough defensively, but I expect Cabrini to challenge them 1-on-1. Hopefully, a good game tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Yeah... Must have misread it. But still... There was no bias at all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2012, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Yeah... Must have misread it. But still... There was no bias at all.

And I'll never compliment you again, either....Talk about ungrateful .... :) :) :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2012, 01:49:02 PM
Coyote Kate, do you now understand one of many reasons why?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 17, 2012, 01:57:28 PM
Good heavens, i just posted & it didn't appear!  Anyway, cc, we shouldn't be sitting here at computers on such a magnificent afternoon!!!   Just posted previously to Dave that for some reason i didn't think about tuitions, and that's a very valid reason.  Also valid would be distances travelled in this economy and if one school suddenly increasing or decreasing in student population.  Otherwise, i feel athletics is the best area for "commonality".  I also thanked Dave for replying during his busy season.  Time to hang out my wash & settle in to watch the NCAA's. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 17, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
PS should be "increased" & "decreased"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
I find it funny when people listen to neutral broadcasters. Most are accustomed to having homer calls and can't deal with someone down the middle. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 19, 2012, 01:13:12 AM
Pat maybe you and your friend Dave  should take a quote out of your own statement.You never once came on this board and said congrats to Scranton.You might be a alumni from Catholic but respect all teams. Pat stop taking karma away from people that support their team.Take it away from you and Dave every time you are wrong you guys are here maybe ten years i have been following the UofS for thirty years.Dave does not like the truth and i think you are the same.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: augie on March 19, 2012, 01:13:12 AM
Pat maybe you and your friend Dave  should take a quote out of your own statement.You never once came on this board and said congrats to Scranton.You might be a alumni from Catholic but respect all teams. Pat stop taking karma away from people that support their team.Take it away from you and Dave every time you are wrong you guys are here maybe ten years i have been following the UofS for thirty years.Dave does not like the truth and i think you are the same.

In the nearly 15 years we've had a message board I pretty much only post to specifically congratulate the national champs. I would hope you don't take that personally.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 19, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: augie on March 19, 2012, 01:13:12 AM
Pat maybe you and your friend Dave  should take a quote out of your own statement.You never once came on this board and said congrats to Scranton.You might be a alumni from Catholic but respect all teams. Pat stop taking karma away from people that support their team.Take it away from you and Dave every time you are wrong you guys are here maybe ten years i have been following the UofS for thirty years.Dave does not like the truth and i think you are the same.
augie,
pat has high standards, and apparently just reduced your karma again
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Ask around: People complaining about their karma tend to get less of it as a result. People who have been on the boards for a long time should already know that. BTW, it's not just me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 19, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
Congrats to all the students who play DIII basketball for mostly no publicity and a LOT of work.  Like I told my son when he played... while you were working your a## off full time in landscaping job over the summer making money to pay for your college expenses, and trying to get to the gym at night, DI and some DII athletes were in the gym full time to get ready for their 'job' at school.   
I give these DIII kids a lot of credit and don't know how they get it all done.  Congrats to the Landmark Conference for some AMAZING games this year.  The scores were close the games were hard fought and it was a great competitive atmosphere.  Let's hope it continues next year! 
As far as who gets credit and who doesn't on these boards - that is what makes it interesting to read ... all of the back and forth, petty and not - some really funny - otherwise it would be boring.
Enjoy the 'off season'!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 19, 2012, 09:20:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Ask around: People complaining about their karma tend to get less of it as a result. People who have been on the boards for a long time should already know that. BTW, it's not just me.

Yeah, it's Coyote Kate too. I lost two karma since yesterday and I didn't even post. ;D
BTW, why does this board even have karma? I mean, what is the purpose? I belong to the Colts message board and the moderators give the fans options if they want it on their side or not. Not ONE person has it. The mod told me it really means squat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 10:41:27 AM
Long-timers might remember the old board had a post rating system. I am not saying karma is the best system out there now but it was when we first moved to this software. I'll be on the lookout here in the offseason for a different kind of poster reputation system.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 19, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
Congrats to all the students who play DIII basketball for mostly no publicity and a LOT of work.  Like I told my son when he played... while you were working your a## off full time in landscaping job over the summer making money to pay for your college expenses, and trying to get to the gym at night, DI and some DII athletes were in the gym full time to get ready for their 'job' at school.   
I give these DIII kids a lot of credit and don't know how they get it all done.  Congrats to the Landmark Conference for some AMAZING games this year.  The scores were close the games were hard fought and it was a great competitive atmosphere.  Let's hope it continues next year! 
As far as who gets credit and who doesn't on these boards - that is what makes it interesting to read ... all of the back and forth, petty and not - some really funny - otherwise it would be boring.
Enjoy the 'off season'!


Enjoy your off season too! We are assemblying quite an army of Loyal Royals on this board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2012, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2012, 12:18:28 AM
Very impressed Royals... very impressed. Heck of a shot to end it... but also heck of a job to be in that position. Glad you went out there and proved you could play with Middlebury... helping lead to the fact that for the first time since 2001... there will be no UAA or NESCAC team in Salem!

Round of applause!
augie... did you read this?! Seems you must have missed it before you spouted off about what I say on this board. Further more... one year where the Landmark makes a significant mark in the NCAA tournament isn't 10 years of being wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: centfan on March 19, 2012, 12:02:27 PM
pat,
who decides on karma? what is the criteria? i am confused sometimes as to why i get points or why they are taken away.
thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 12:05:27 PM
Any poster with 200 or more posts can add or take away one point on other people's karma in any given 24 hour period.

Since there are literally thousands of posters with 200 or more posts, there's a lot of criteria people could use.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 19, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 19, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
Congrats to all the students who play DIII basketball for mostly no publicity and a LOT of work.  Like I told my son when he played... while you were working your a## off full time in landscaping job over the summer making money to pay for your college expenses, and trying to get to the gym at night, DI and some DII athletes were in the gym full time to get ready for their 'job' at school.   
I give these DIII kids a lot of credit and don't know how they get it all done.  Congrats to the Landmark Conference for some AMAZING games this year.  The scores were close the games were hard fought and it was a great competitive atmosphere.  Let's hope it continues next year! 
As far as who gets credit and who doesn't on these boards - that is what makes it interesting to read ... all of the back and forth, petty and not - some really funny - otherwise it would be boring.
Enjoy the 'off season'!


Enjoy your off season too! We are assemblying quite an army of Loyal Royals on this board.
Yes, quite an assembly!  Isn't it great!  Go Royals!   Uh oh.... I think my karma will become even more negative than it is! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: centfan on March 19, 2012, 01:29:07 PM
thanks pat. that makes alot of sense now.i appreciate it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: centfan on March 19, 2012, 02:01:15 PM
in terms of the cabrini player coming in (as a previous d1 recruit) as a 21 year old freshman playing d3, it certainly gives him an advantage. i know a kid playing who turned 21 in his first semester senior year...that is a three year difference from the cabrini kid!! i am glad he is in school but he clearly has an advantage over age appropriate kids. he is  a grown man already.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Mailsy: No grapes...sour or otherwise.
As I said, I wish the young man all the best & hope he completes his education & proves to be an outstanding dad to his child.
What I was referring to is a section within the NCAA Compliance Summary which states under the subtitle Campus Visits/Tryouts:
"A member institution, on its campus or elsewhere, shall NOT conduct (or have conducted on its behalf) any physical activity (e.g. practice session or test/tryout) at which one or more prospects reveal, demonstrate or display their athletic abilities in any sport".
My question is, was the coach there because he was made aware of this "pickup" game in his gym or was it just one of those chance encounters?   ::)
In D-III, it is correct that coaches can contact student/athletes virtually every day after the start of their junior year. However, they are also very clear that "tryouts & or displaying talents" in front of a coach or coaches on a campus is a direct violation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
I would suggest "conduct" is probably the salient word here. An open gym is just open, not conducted.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
Scranton finishes the year ranked, number 15 in the nation. Congrats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
I would suggest "conduct" is probably the salient word here. An open gym is just open, not conducted.

I also imagine if you've got a pickup game with players invited by a pro-player, any basketball fan (coaches included) might show up to see what's happening.  I know I would.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Mailsy: No grapes...sour or otherwise.
As I said, I wish the young man all the best & hope he completes his education & proves to be an outstanding dad to his child.
What I was referring to is a section within the NCAA Compliance Summary which states under the subtitle Campus Visits/Tryouts:
"A member institution, on its campus or elsewhere, shall NOT conduct (or have conducted on its behalf) any physical activity (e.g. practice session or test/tryout) at which one or more prospects reveal, demonstrate or display their athletic abilities in any sport".
My question is, was the coach there because he was made aware of this "pickup" game in his gym or was it just one of those chance encounters?   ::)
In D-III, it is correct that coaches can contact student/athletes virtually every day after the start of their junior year. However, they are also very clear that "tryouts & or displaying talents" in front of a coach or coaches on a campus is a direct violation.
I may get in trouble for this... but here goes.  And please know, I believe I can speak to this as someone who became a parent mid-way through college senior year...Who is supporting Aaron's baby, and mother of baby while he is going to school full time and playing basketball in his non-school hours?  I worked a second shift job to get money while going to school during the day my senior year... and we still lived at home with our parents...  but we all know that basketball is full time during the season.  I'm all for the degree - but the basketball is a luxury, espcially when you have a child to support...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2012, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Mailsy: No grapes...sour or otherwise.
As I said, I wish the young man all the best & hope he completes his education & proves to be an outstanding dad to his child.
What I was referring to is a section within the NCAA Compliance Summary which states under the subtitle Campus Visits/Tryouts:
"A member institution, on its campus or elsewhere, shall NOT conduct (or have conducted on its behalf) any physical activity (e.g. practice session or test/tryout) at which one or more prospects reveal, demonstrate or display their athletic abilities in any sport".
My question is, was the coach there because he was made aware of this "pickup" game in his gym or was it just one of those chance encounters?   ::)
In D-III, it is correct that coaches can contact student/athletes virtually every day after the start of their junior year. However, they are also very clear that "tryouts & or displaying talents" in front of a coach or coaches on a campus is a direct violation.
I may get in trouble for this... but here goes.  And please know, I believe I can speak to this as someone who became a parent mid-way through college senior year...Who is supporting Aaron's baby, and mother of baby while he is going to school full time and playing basketball in his non-school hours?  I worked a second shift job to get money while going to school during the day my senior year... and we still lived at home with our parents...  but we all know that basketball is full time during the season.  I'm all for the degree - but the basketball is a luxury, espcially when you have a child to support...

I went to school with basketball players who worked 20 hours a week on top of practice.  It's not that uncommon, especially if they qualify for work study on campus.

Just looking at Cabrini's numbers - they don't have a huge endowment, but they don't have a huge student body either.  12% of students have their entire financial need met by the school through scholarships; the average amount of need met is 66%.  Without knowing the specifics, I'd guess Walton-Moss is probably in the higher third of needy students, so he probably got between 80% and 100% of his financial need met.

At this point, with kids to support and a couple of years working with only a HS diploma, I imagine that the investment for school (even if he had to take some loans) is probably worth it to him.

While there have been some sketchy scholarship dealings with d3 athletes in the past, the NCAA has really cracked down over the last decade and it's really very difficult for athletes to get special treatment in that way.  Admissions standards, yes, and perhaps playing basketball was one way for a kid with a poor academic history to get into a school like Cabrini.

Again, this is all hypothetical - and I'm not a Cabrini fan or anything - but there are some numbers available.  I graduated from undergrad 9 years ago and I'm still paying off debt I took on as an investment in the future.  It's just not that difficult to see how and why he's doing what he's doing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2012, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Mailsy: No grapes...sour or otherwise.
As I said, I wish the young man all the best & hope he completes his education & proves to be an outstanding dad to his child.
What I was referring to is a section within the NCAA Compliance Summary which states under the subtitle Campus Visits/Tryouts:
"A member institution, on its campus or elsewhere, shall NOT conduct (or have conducted on its behalf) any physical activity (e.g. practice session or test/tryout) at which one or more prospects reveal, demonstrate or display their athletic abilities in any sport".
My question is, was the coach there because he was made aware of this "pickup" game in his gym or was it just one of those chance encounters?   ::)
In D-III, it is correct that coaches can contact student/athletes virtually every day after the start of their junior year. However, they are also very clear that "tryouts & or displaying talents" in front of a coach or coaches on a campus is a direct violation.
I may get in trouble for this... but here goes.  And please know, I believe I can speak to this as someone who became a parent mid-way through college senior year...Who is supporting Aaron's baby, and mother of baby while he is going to school full time and playing basketball in his non-school hours?  I worked a second shift job to get money while going to school during the day my senior year... and we still lived at home with our parents...  but we all know that basketball is full time during the season.  I'm all for the degree - but the basketball is a luxury, espcially when you have a child to support...

I went to school with basketball players who worked 20 hours a week on top of practice.  It's not that uncommon, especially if they qualify for work study on campus.

Just looking at Cabrini's numbers - they don't have a huge endowment, but they don't have a huge student body either.  12% of students have their entire financial need met by the school through scholarships; the average amount of need met is 66%.  Without knowing the specifics, I'd guess Walton-Moss is probably in the higher third of needy students, so he probably got between 80% and 100% of his financial need met.

At this point, with kids to support and a couple of years working with only a HS diploma, I imagine that the investment for school (even if he had to take some loans) is probably worth it to him.

While there have been some sketchy scholarship dealings with d3 athletes in the past, the NCAA has really cracked down over the last decade and it's really very difficult for athletes to get special treatment in that way.  Admissions standards, yes, and perhaps playing basketball was one way for a kid with a poor academic history to get into a school like Cabrini.

Again, this is all hypothetical - and I'm not a Cabrini fan or anything - but there are some numbers available.  I graduated from undergrad 9 years ago and I'm still paying off debt I took on as an investment in the future.  It's just not that difficult to see how and why he's doing what he's doing.
I don't see a kid with a poor academic record working anywhere near 20 hours a week, basketball pracitce, games and getting grades good enough to be at a school like Cabrini.  Again - school good... basketball a definite luxury, especially with a baby.  I believe education is the only way to get out of his situation, but something has to give when it comes to supporting the family you made.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2012, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2012, 12:18:28 AM
Very impressed Royals... very impressed. Heck of a shot to end it... but also heck of a job to be in that position. Glad you went out there and proved you could play with Middlebury... helping lead to the fact that for the first time since 2001... there will be no UAA or NESCAC team in Salem!

Round of applause!
augie... did you read this?! Seems you must have missed it before you spouted off about what I say on this board. Further more... one year where the Landmark makes a significant mark in the NCAA tournament isn't 10 years of being wrong.

Dave, you misunderstood an earlier post from me in regards to a fan complaining of you being biased towards Cabrini when it read IWU ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
cold_case... the point was made that Pat and I don't come on these boards and congratulate teams... not to mention the fact that we are wrong all the time and hide when we are... I was pointing out that I indeed did congratulate Scranton and to say otherwise is getting to the point of insulting.

So what is your point? The fact I misread your previous point about something COMPLETELY different?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
Here is my point, Dave.

Scranton finishes ranked No. 15?
Sorry, but these final rankings are just too bogus for my taste. in fact, it leaves a foul odor in my mouth.
I mean, it took a run through the NCAA's by Scranton to have "voters" realize their clueless when it comes to ranking teams.
Excuses like strength of schedule or conference just doesn't cut it and it goes back to, once again, challenging the intelligence of most fans.
This is not Division I where we can see anyone play with the flick on the remote. It's Division III, where all teams play under obscurity and use their school stream in hopes of 50 fans watching them.
Maybe, just maybe, the powers-that-be who consistently rank their favorites would consider the Staying Power Effect?
You know, look into the teams history of winning conference title, national titles and NCAA appearances like Scranton as a reason why this program has a huge target on its back. It's extra effort time to play those darn Royals night in and night out.
When you boil it all down, if I'm, say, Podunk Tech College, I want to beat Scranton and an F&M instead of perhaps one-year wonders like Messiah or Cabrini and such, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
cold_case... Cabrini a one-year wonder? Funny... for four years they have been on the rise and made it to the NCAA tournament two years in a row... ten times in their history... winning their conference 9 times. Their record in the last four years... 102-19.

Scranton hasn't been to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament since 2003... and have only been to the second round twice since then... it isn't like they have staying power.

Their ranking at #15... seems a bit high. I think the Royals played very good basketball late in the year, but they and Cabrini were part of what I coined the Dirty Jobs bracket... teams did the dirty work for other teams. Becker beat William Paterson, Scranton didn't have to face them. Scranton beat Middlebury (still impressed with that game plan from Coach Danzig), Cabrini didn't face them (but after watching the Cavaliers vs. IWU and UWW, this might not have been an issue), even Hobart beating Ohio Wesleyan might have been a help to the Cavaliers (though, OWU's coach told me he doesn't think they could have gotten past Cabrini).

Scranton didn't get any votes from any voter pretty much the entire year. This is from a group of voters that saw ONE voter cast a vote for Castleton State in the final poll!

Scranton has been very consistent over the years and no one, except Merchant Marine off the top of my head, has beaten them recently for the conference title. But I think we are thinking the Landmark is better than it really is. It is a mid-range conference that has produced some nice teams in the NCAA tournament, but hasn't been a power conference or even in the upper tier for good reason.

By the way, it isn't like Scranton is ignored... F&M has a storied history... so does Wooster, Wittenberg, and Hope... and only ONE of those schools was in my Top 25 this year early on. Eventually all five made it... but it wasn't because I was voting my favorites... in that case I should put in Goucher every year - despite the fact they are lousy.

Strength of schedule, conference strength, non-conference opponents, where games are played, how teams play and how teams win or lose are just a small number of factors that go into voting or not voting for a team in a poll (in my opinion).

By saying "excuses like strength of schedule or conference just doesn't cut it and it goes back to, once again, challenging the intelligence of most fans" and then following that up with "the powers-that-be who consistently rank their favorites would consider the Staying Power Effect" seems like we should be voting for Scranton because... well... they are Scranton. Is that fair to teams that are actually better? Make it to the Final Four? Lose just two games on the season?

Scranton is good... they played very well this season... they got a place in my final ballot. But I am not going to throw around votes to teams just because of their name... or "staying power"... this isn't a Top 25 based on how teams are in the past... it is this season.... it will be next season... and so on.

It amazes me how many fans think their team is slighted... because they don't get votes... because their team is so great based on things like a name.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 12:47:45 PM
If the Landmark is the middle of a road conference what is the CSAC? Rosemont and a couple of Bible Schools?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 12:59:01 PM
CSAC is not a strong conference... not going to do deny that... that is why I didn't have Cabrini too high in my ballot until I just didn't have enough reasons to not move them up (just like I didn't have enough reasons not to have F&M in my ballot).

Landmark from top to bottom is better than the CSAC... but the top of the CSAC in Cabrini... is better than the top of the Landmark in Scranton and others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Scranton nor the Landmark Conference get enough credit from that d3 wesbite ... Scranton beat Middlebury for Pete's sake (or should I save Dave's)... they beat Becker... But that was all luck... or them having a bad day, or whatever excuse Dave uses for however we beat whoever we beat.

Whatever - better to sneak in and "surprise" everyone with a win.  We're good at being the underdogs... and Scranton has a great group of students too!  All the luck to the seniors in their post college careers... and to the underclassman to "surprise" everyone again!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
When ranking who had the most impressive tournament performances, Scranton is in the top three with MIT and UWW.  The champs had a great run where they beat the defending national champs and three top 6 teams (from the last reg season d3hoops rankings), two on a neutral court.  MIT won four games that included a road win over F&M.  Scranton did something no team has done in almost three years, beat Middlebury on their own home court. 

Cabrini also had a great tournament, and is likely the second best team in the country.  But lets not forget that of Cabrini's 5 wins, only one came against a team ranked in the top 30. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Scranton nor the Landmark Conference get enough credit from that d3 wesbite ... Scranton beat Middlebury for Pete's sake (or should I save Dave's)... they beat Becker... But that was all luck... or them having a bad day, or whatever excuse Dave uses for however we beat whoever we beat.

Whatever - better to sneak in and "surprise" everyone with a win.  We're good at being the underdogs... and Scranton has a great group of students too!  All the luck to the seniors in their post college careers... and to the underclassman to "surprise" everyone again!!!

So, my repeated comments that I was impressed with how Scranton beat Middlebury are just not read?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 12:59:01 PM
CSAC is not a strong conference... not going to do deny that... that is why I didn't have Cabrini too high in my ballot until I just didn't have enough reasons to not move them up (just like I didn't have enough reasons not to have F&M in my ballot).

Landmark from top to bottom is better than the CSAC... but the top of the CSAC in Cabrini... is better than the top of the Landmark in Scranton and others.

Suppose the leagues future, Goucher or Catholic, were at the top end?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:40:49 PM
Top of the conference? Same opinion.

Overall conference - still same opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Scranton nor the Landmark Conference get enough credit from that d3 wesbite ... Scranton beat Middlebury for Pete's sake (or should I save Dave's)... they beat Becker... But that was all luck... or them having a bad day, or whatever excuse Dave uses for however we beat whoever we beat.

Whatever - better to sneak in and "surprise" everyone with a win.  We're good at being the underdogs... and Scranton has a great group of students too!  All the luck to the seniors in their post college careers... and to the underclassman to "surprise" everyone again!!!

Well, I think it's just important to remember that the entire season counts for part of the ranking as well, so there were seven non-NCAA Tournament losses. Without the win against Middlebury, I don't think Scranton would have made the ranking at all, because they would have beaten Messiah and Becker with no wins against ranked teams.

Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
But lets not forget that of Cabrini's 5 wins, only one came against a team ranked in the top 30. 

Ranked in the Top 30 when the tournament started. I'm sure that once IWU won at Hope (not to mention the next two games), the value of that win changes a bit, right? But Cabrini also only lost two games all season. And Cabrini won five tournament games, rather than two. That's plenty to account for the difference in ranking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 01:48:26 PM
Strange. I lost two karma is the last 10 minutes. Hmmmm ...

BTW, it's OT but mark down the Orioles for 90+ wins this season
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 01:50:36 PM
You lost one from me for continuing to beat the four-years-dead horse.

Are you counting spring training?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Not including spring training. Laugh now, see me at seasons end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
FYI - my rule for the past two years is to not smite people... so you didn't lose karma from me. I will +1 when appropriate... but not the other way around - even if a comment is beyond the line for the rules of these boards.

And being that I cover the Orioles and have for 13+ years... not sure I can count on 90+ wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
Scranton better be ranked in the Top 25 pre-season next year. Ronk , C_C, and Saratoga have promised me an blue chip recruting class including two transfers from JUCO.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
FYI - my rule for the past two years is to not smite people... so you didn't lose karma from me. I will +1 when appropriate... but not the other way around - even if a comment is beyond the line for the rules of these boards.

And being that I cover the Orioles and have for 13+ years... not sure I can count on 90+ wins.

If it were Goucher you would.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:00:59 PM
With the likes of Ross Danzig on that team as well... I like Scranton next year... though, let's wait until those others are actually in uniform! :)

Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
FYI - my rule for the past two years is to not smite people... so you didn't lose karma from me. I will +1 when appropriate... but not the other way around - even if a comment is beyond the line for the rules of these boards.

And being that I cover the Orioles and have for 13+ years... not sure I can count on 90+ wins.

If it were Goucher you would.... ;D
Nope... being realistic is something others need to come to grips with... not me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
Scranton better be ranked in the Top 25 pre-season next year. Ronk , C_C, and Saratoga have promised me an blue chip recruting class including two transfers from JUCO.  ;D

What do ronk and Sanagota know? They hear, I know!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:00:59 PM
With the likes of Ross Danzig on that team as well... I like Scranton next year... though, let's wait until those others are actually in uniform! :)

Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
FYI - my rule for the past two years is to not smite people... so you didn't lose karma from me. I will +1 when appropriate... but not the other way around - even if a comment is beyond the line for the rules of these boards.

And being that I cover the Orioles and have for 13+ years... not sure I can count on 90+ wins.

If it were Goucher you would.... ;D
Nope... being realistic is something others need to come to grips with... not me.

Dave,


When is Goucher going to start a baseball program? I hear Dean Corwin is calling Royal's baseball games now as well...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
Probably never...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Scranton nor the Landmark Conference get enough credit from that d3 wesbite ... Scranton beat Middlebury for Pete's sake (or should I save Dave's)... they beat Becker... But that was all luck... or them having a bad day, or whatever excuse Dave uses for however we beat whoever we beat.

Whatever - better to sneak in and "surprise" everyone with a win.  We're good at being the underdogs... and Scranton has a great group of students too!  All the luck to the seniors in their post college careers... and to the underclassman to "surprise" everyone again!!!

So, my repeated comments that I was impressed with how Scranton beat Middlebury are just not read?
Oh right... preceded by ... "but they and Cabrini were part of what I coined the Dirty Jobs bracket... teams did the dirty work for other teams. Becker beat William Paterson, Scranton didn't have to face them"...
No worries!! Not going to get into a pi$$ing match.... just interesting.  Not going to win at the argument ... I was married (and divorced) a know it all once - I know what that is like.  We will never change your mind on what we perceive as your bias against little teams like Scranton. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
I think next season looks great for Scranton, too!  Hope Danzig gets some height in transfers (maybe during some open gyms! ;) ) or new recruits!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 02:44:28 PM
Fanuofs,


You forgot this from Dave too..

By the way, Scranton doesn't make that run in the tournament unless the following factors happen:
- they win the Landmark Conference for the AQ (they don't get in otherwise)
- Becker beats William Paterson (who was asleep in that game and probably would have matched up well against Scranton)
I can't put that much stock into how Scranton played in the tournament and put them as high as #15 or higher as some voters did. I gave them some love... but not that much (I still think their game plan against Middlebury was terrific and they are lucky they could hit the shots with just a few seconds on the shot clock time and time again... or that is a different outcome).

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 02:44:28 PM
Fanuofs,


You forgot this from Dave too..

By the way, Scranton doesn't make that run in the tournament unless the following factors happen:
- they win the Landmark Conference for the AQ (they don't get in otherwise)
- Becker beats William Paterson (who was asleep in that game and probably would have matched up well against Scranton)
I can't put that much stock into how Scranton played in the tournament and put them as high as #15 or higher as some voters did. I gave them some love... but not that much (I still think their game plan against Middlebury was terrific and they are lucky they could hit the shots with just a few seconds on the shot clock time and time again... or that is a different outcome).

Thank you, NEPAFAN!  Now that's what I call a positive attitude twoard Scranton! Like I said - better off under the radar - surprise attack!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
fanuofs - I have no bias against any team... but by saying teams did dirty work for others means that I don't think we saw the bracket for how anyone anticipated it would shake out. And I don't think you can fairly indicate how teams are in terms of Top 25 when some of the match-ups favored them in ways that made possible roads easier.

Was Scranton a Top 8 team in the country because they made it to the Elite 8?

Scranton did the "dirty work" of beating Middlebury in terms of Cabrini not having to face the Panthers. That doesn't take anything away from Scranton or their win... it is something I am referencing in terms of Cabrini. I don't think Cabrini beats Middlebury by 20 as they did Scranton... different tactics, different match-ups, etc.

I don't think Scranton beats William Paterson nearly as easily as they beat Becker in the second round - if they win at all. Heck, we seem to forget the Royals needed to come from 18 down in the first game just to force OT and win the game.

You don't have to change my mind about Scranton... they did with their win against Middlebury... they don't win that game... they aren't in my Top 25 ballot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
I think next season looks great for Scranton, too!  Hope Danzig gets some height in transfers (maybe during some open gyms! ;) ) or new recruits!
Nuff said about my other 'opinions'.... How bout them Royals!!! :) Where oh where are they going to get some big guys?  I think their tallest player now is about 6'4"... ? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
I think next season looks great for Scranton, too!  Hope Danzig gets some height in transfers (maybe during some open gyms! ;) ) or new recruits!
Nuff said about my other 'opinions'.... How bout them Royals!!! :) Where oh where are they going to get some big guys?  I think their tallest player now is about 6'4"... ?

They have a 6'6 player who I thought would be highly regarded that was on the end of the bench this year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
I think next season looks great for Scranton, too!  Hope Danzig gets some height in transfers (maybe during some open gyms! ;) ) or new recruits!
Nuff said about my other 'opinions'.... How bout them Royals!!! :) Where oh where are they going to get some big guys?  I think their tallest player now is about 6'4"... ?

They have a 6'6 player who I thought would be highly regarded that was on the end of the bench this year...
Right, almost forgot about him.  Injured in beginning of year then out after a few games for some reason which was never really explained.  I don't think they can (or should) count on him -
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
 Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 02:43:37 PM
I think next season looks great for Scranton, too!  Hope Danzig gets some height in transfers (maybe during some open gyms! ;) ) or new recruits!
Nuff said about my other 'opinions'.... How bout them Royals!!! :) Where oh where are they going to get some big guys?  I think their tallest player now is about 6'4"... ?

You never know if a 6'7 and 6'5 horse will show up in September, do you?

I gots me smited again. Down to three. On the upside, fanuofs was handed an applaud by thyself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Keep talking about karma and you'll keep losing it. There's perhaps no greater truth on D3boards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.

Ronk, I hope it doesn't come down to the price of admission...we know who is winning that one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Keep talking about karma and you'll keep losing it. There's perhaps no greater truth on D3boards.

Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....that's enough. My fingers are tired.
It's too bad space at newspapers is at a premium. I could write a good article about this board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.

Ronk, I hope it doesn't come down to the price of admission...we know who is winning that one.
LOL - thus the answer to the question as to why Goucher and Catholic left the CAC... :)

Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Keep talking about karma and you'll keep losing it. There's perhaps no greater truth on D3boards.

Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....that's enough. My fingers are tired.
It's too bad space at newspapers is at a premium. I could write a good article about this board.
Would it be truthful?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.

Ronk, I hope it doesn't come down to the price of admission...we know who is winning that one.
LOL - thus the answer to the question as to why Goucher and Catholic left the CAC... :)

Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Keep talking about karma and you'll keep losing it. There's perhaps no greater truth on D3boards.

Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....that's enough. My fingers are tired.
It's too bad space at newspapers is at a premium. I could write a good article about this board.
Would it be truthful?

"Truth is the best defense against libel."
Of course it would be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.

Ronk, I hope it doesn't come down to the price of admission...we know who is winning that one.

  Yes, that is a major hurdle.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 20, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Nothing to announce at this point but did discuss recruiting Sunday with Coach Harney of St. Mary's College at an all star game -we are both interested in the same player. Hopefully, one of us will get good news.

Ronk, I hope it doesn't come down to the price of admission...we know who is winning that one.
LOL - thus the answer to the question as to why Goucher and Catholic left the CAC... :)

Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Keep talking about karma and you'll keep losing it. There's perhaps no greater truth on D3boards.

Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....that's enough. My fingers are tired.
It's too bad space at newspapers is at a premium. I could write a good article about this board.
Would it be truthful?

"Truth is the best defense against libel."
Of course it would be.

Well, I look forward to the interview. Unless you're writing a column, rather than an article. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:52:27 PM
Pat, are you looking for editing work?

Dave, do you know Phil Wood? Al Coken?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Was Scranton a Top 8 team in the country because they made it to the Elite 8?

in a lot of cases an elite 8 run could earn a team a top 8 finish depending on their tournament performance.  Was Cabrini a top 2 team only because they made the title game?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Scranton did the "dirty work" of beating Middlebury in terms of Cabrini not having to face the Panthers. That doesn't take anything away from Scranton or their win... it is something I am referencing in terms of Cabrini. I don't think Cabrini beats Middlebury by 20 as they did Scranton... different tactics, different match-ups, etc.

I don't think Scranton beats William Paterson nearly as easily as they beat Becker in the second round - if they win at all. Heck, we seem to forget the Royals needed to come from 18 down in the first game just to force OT and win the game.

My metrics were heavily fading William Paterson heading into the tournament.  Becker, the prior five weeks, had been playing much better defense.  Even though the game wouldve been a home one for WP, its quite possible that Becker on a neutral court was the tougher matchup. 

Scranton clearly did the dirtiest work of any team in the entire tournament, winning a game no one had won in about 3 seasons.  It could be argued that at least twice (no hope, no middlebury) Cabrini was the recipient of a favorable matchup, and maybe even a third time (oswego wouldve likely been a tougher opponent than EConn).  Thats not to take away from Cabrini as every team catches one break along the way, we saw it this week with D1. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Was Scranton a Top 8 team in the country because they made it to the Elite 8?

in a lot of cases an elite 8 run could earn a team a top 8 finish depending on their tournament performance.  Was Cabrini a top 2 team only because they made the title game?

No, but since they made the title game and were eight points closer than anyone else was to UWW the entire tournament, it makes them a pretty legitimate No. 2.

CC: Yes, I am. Have been pretty public about my job-seeking status.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fanuofs on March 20, 2012, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Was Scranton a Top 8 team in the country because they made it to the Elite 8?

in a lot of cases an elite 8 run could earn a team a top 8 finish depending on their tournament performance.  Was Cabrini a top 2 team only because they made the title game?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Scranton did the "dirty work" of beating Middlebury in terms of Cabrini not having to face the Panthers. That doesn't take anything away from Scranton or their win... it is something I am referencing in terms of Cabrini. I don't think Cabrini beats Middlebury by 20 as they did Scranton... different tactics, different match-ups, etc.

I don't think Scranton beats William Paterson nearly as easily as they beat Becker in the second round - if they win at all. Heck, we seem to forget the Royals needed to come from 18 down in the first game just to force OT and win the game.

My metrics were heavily fading William Paterson heading into the tournament.  Becker, the prior five weeks, had been playing much better defense.  Even though the game wouldve been a home one for WP, its quite possible that Becker on a neutral court was the tougher matchup. 

Scranton clearly did the dirtiest work of any team in the entire tournament, winning a game no one had won in about 3 seasons.  It could be argued that at least twice (no hope, no middlebury) Cabrini was the recipient of a favorable matchup, and maybe even a third time (oswego wouldve likely been a tougher opponent than EConn).  Thats not to take away from Cabrini as every team catches one break along the way, we saw it this week with D1.
Yes... thank you for that - it was dirty work... and it wasn't like Scranton was trailing Middlebury during that game.  Like any human being - it is nice to get the praise without the dig.  The D3 games were great competitive games that made it great for the fans... even the championship was won by only 3!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....

I thought you were going to break into a Boy George song.

Did you get your orange #18 jersey yet?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....

I thought you were going to break into a Boy George song.

Did you get your orange #18 jersey yet?

And by orange, I mean Broncos... not Orioles.

Perhaps the O's could use Peyton Manning in their rotation to help with your 90-win prediction (was that for one season or two?)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 21, 2012, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....

I thought you were going to break into a Boy George song.

Did you get your orange #18 jersey yet?

I posted the orange jersey with his name on it on facebook. Makes me sick...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 21, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....

I thought you were going to break into a Boy George song.

Did you get your orange #18 jersey yet?

And by orange, I mean Broncos... not Orioles.

Perhaps the O's could use Peyton Manning in their rotation to help with your 90-win prediction (was that for one season or two?)

I'll ignore that...for now.
No, I can't. It's this year, watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2012, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 21, 2012, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 21, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma....

I thought you were going to break into a Boy George song.

Did you get your orange #18 jersey yet?

I posted the orange jersey with his name on it on facebook. Makes me sick...


It could be worse, you could be a Saints fan!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 22, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Or a Jets fan. Now NFL Network is saying the league will be looking into the Jets, Ravens and Steelers. The three biggest thug teams
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 22, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 22, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Or a Jets fan. Now NFL Network are saying the league will be looking into the Jets, Ravens and Steelers. The three biggest thug teams

the nfl is very much like the ncaa.  once they find a problem and punish one team, every other team in the league gets a pass.  i wouldnt expect anything to come of it for nyj, pit and bal

also its quite possible goodell made sure tebow was traded yesterday to push the saints stuff off the front page. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2012, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 22, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 22, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Or a Jets fan. Now NFL Network are saying the league will be looking into the Jets, Ravens and Steelers. The three biggest thug teams

the nfl is very much like the ncaa.  once they find a problem and punish one team, every other team in the league gets a pass.  i wouldnt expect anything to come of it for nyj, pit and bal

also its quite possible goodell made sure tebow was traded yesterday to push the saints stuff off the front page.


Saints are going to be hurting for some time. Vilma should be suspended as well...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 22, 2012, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 22, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 22, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Or a Jets fan. Now NFL Network are saying the league will be looking into the Jets, Ravens and Steelers. The three biggest thug teams

the nfl is very much like the ncaa.  once they find a problem and punish one team, every other team in the league gets a pass.  i wouldnt expect anything to come of it for nyj, pit and bal

also its quite possible goodell made sure tebow was traded yesterday to push the saints stuff off the front page.

Yeah, that was odd, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 06, 2012, 03:56:51 PM
Word is that CUA's Billy Donovan has transferred from CUA - though where I am not sure. This certainly changes my perception of what CUA can do next season. I am not saying one player makes a big difference, but Donovan was one of those players that certainly helped on defense and in multiple roles on offense. I also heard his departure was not very smooth... but very rocky.

This comes on the news that CUA's head coach, Steve Howes, is a finalists for the Brown University head coaching job: http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/brown-basketball-coaching-search-narrows/ (http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/brown-basketball-coaching-search-narrows/)

Maybe a rougher off-season in DC then expected.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 06, 2012, 11:09:02 PM
  Looks like Steve has some good competition for the Brown coaching job, although I was expecting more associate head coaches of big D1 programs to be in the mix. Certainly, an achievement for Steve to be under consideration.
   Dave, when's that special Hoops show on incoming Landmark recruits going to air? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 07, 2012, 03:26:59 PM
ronk - decided to pass... can't get reliable sources to come on the show! :) LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 08, 2012, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 07, 2012, 03:26:59 PM
ronk - decided to pass... can't get reliable sources to come on the show! :) LOL

Here is a solid source, although I'll 86 the show.
Danzig had his best-ever recruiting season. The guy didn't have any true No. 1, 4 or 5 players but that's all been remedied. If these kids develop, they are going to be a tough matchup, especially with the point guard he brought in. This kid is amazing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 08, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
   I've read about 2 of the commits and hopefully, the optimism will prove out. Looking forward to the public disclosure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 08, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
  Public disclosure comes quickly these days; a tweet 3 hours ago adds a Jersey guard with good stats to the incoming group; don't know if this is the PG cold case described.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on May 08, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Assistant Men's Coach Matt Hunter at DeSales was just hired as the next head coach at York College of PA.  Congrats to him and good luck! Great hire for YCP. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 09, 2012, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 08, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
  Public disclosure comes quickly these days; a tweet 3 hours ago adds a Jersey guard with good stats to the incoming group; don't know if this is the PG cold case described.

I gave NEPAFAN all the recruits so I don't know which PG he tweeted you...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
  This was a retweet of a Jersey sports writer tweet about the guard, not from NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 09, 2012, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
  This was a retweet of a Jersey sports writer tweet about the guard, not from NEPA.

You know they got a second team all-stater from Vermont, who took in the Scranton/Middlebury game and decided to attend Scranton? That's funny.
Funny because they weren't recruiting him....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on May 09, 2012, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
  This was a retweet of a Jersey sports writer tweet about the guard, not from NEPA.

You know they got a second team all-stater from Vermont, who took in the Scranton/Middlebury game and decided to attend Scranton? That's funny.
Funny because they weren't recruiting him....

Yes, he's 1 of the 2 that I had read about(from NEPA) and I suspected that that had happened because he was outside their recruiting territory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 09, 2012, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on May 09, 2012, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 09, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
  This was a retweet of a Jersey sports writer tweet about the guard, not from NEPA.

You know they got a second team all-stater from Vermont, who took in the Scranton/Middlebury game and decided to attend Scranton? That's funny.
Funny because they weren't recruiting him....

Yes, he's 1 of the 2 that I had read about(from NEPA) and I suspected that that had happened because he was outside their recruiting territory.

Then there is the California kid.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 09, 2012, 02:36:35 PM
Ronk,

Check your PMS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

Archbishop Holley?

  Saw Coach Howes after church last Sunday and wished him well with his Brown interview; he may have been surprised that I knew about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 18, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

I heard King's had him, then it fell through. Too bad for the Monarchs.
Scranton had it's best recruiting season under Danzig. Big class with size and backcourt people. One PG is phenomenal, some solid big kids will help immediately...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 18, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 20, 2012, 01:48:26 PM
BTW, it's OT but mark down the Orioles for 90+ wins this season

Anyone remember this post? I do and the jokes were flying...how about now???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 18, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

I heard King's had him, then it fell through. Too bad for the Monarchs.
Scranton had it's best recruiting season under Danzig. Big class with size and backcourt people. One PG is phenomenal, some solid big kids will help immediately...

They are going to have to guard a 7 footer, the bigs better be up for it.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
  What's his name; where's he from?

cold case - your O's forecast is certainly looking good
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 18, 2012, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 18, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
  What's his name; where's he from?

cold case - your O's forecast is certainly looking good

Yes  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 02:19:40 PM
Victor Agapy  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 18, 2012, 03:49:01 PM
Excellent!
The beast from South Beach!
Four years & 19 points later...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 18, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
The latter two posts were uncalled for ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 19, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

  For Catholic's Landmark opponents sake, hope his initials aren't P.A.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 19, 2012, 01:28:16 PM
I don't have a name or I would share...sorry. But speculating is fun, right? :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 19, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 19, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

  For Catholic's Landmark opponents sake, hope his initials aren't P.A.

Might this guy be related to the 7-footer who, some 10 years or so ago, was said to be moving from the College of Charleston to Wilkes. Sadly, he never became a Colonel because, per persisting rumor, he could never find Coach Rickrode's office ....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 19, 2012, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 19, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 19, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Hearing that Catholic landed a 7 footer that can play. Kings was in the mix, but didn't make the final cut.

  For Catholic's Landmark opponents sake, hope his initials aren't P.A.

Might this guy be related to the 7-footer who, some 10 years or so ago, was said to be moving from the College of Charleston to Wilkes. Sadly, he never became a Colonel because, per persisting rumor, he could never find Coach Rickrode's office ....

Warren "And Peace" Thompson. Great to see you aboard.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 20, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
  Went prospecting for the 2013 class today at an AAU tourney; didn't seem to be as many prospects as last year. Had another extended conversation with Coach Harney of St. Mary's; he said that my top uncommitted 2012 prospect(similar game to Ross Danzig) who had narrowed his choices to Salisbury, St. Mary's and, possibly, Scranton, will be a St. Mary's Seahawk. Also, St. Mary's had inquired about an opening in one of the Royals' tournaments this coming year but the opening had been filled by the time of inquiry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 20, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ronk, there is only one kid they want to bring in. Not near the Mason-Dixon line
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 20, 2012, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 20, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ronk, there is only one kid they want to bring in. Not near the Mason-Dixon line

  Thanks for the observation; I'll focus on the women then ;) unless I come across a can't-miss player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 20, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 20, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ronk, there is only one kid they want to bring in. Not near the Mason-Dixon line


Really?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 21, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 20, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 20, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ronk, there is only one kid they want to bring in. Not near the Mason-Dixon line


Really?

Here we go ....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 20, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
  Went prospecting for the 2013 class today at an AAU tourney; didn't seem to be as many prospects as last year. Had another extended conversation with Coach Harney of St. Mary's; he said that my top uncommitted 2012 prospect(similar game to Ross Danzig) who had narrowed his choices to Salisbury, St. Mary's and, possibly, Scranton, will be a St. Mary's Seahawk. Also, St. Mary's had inquired about an opening in one of the Royals' tournaments this coming year but the opening had been filled by the time of inquiry.

FYI - St. Mary's is one of several CAC teams scrambling a bit this off season. For the Maryland schools in the CAC... they are technically trying to make up for losing seven games from their recent schedules. They lost three games to the Pride of Maryland ending and four games due to the fact Stevenson and Hood have left the conference for the MAC.

St. Mary's is part of the inaugural Hoopsville Classic at Stevenson University to start the '12-'13 season, but that is just two games solved.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 21, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 21, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 20, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 20, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
ronk, there is only one kid they want to bring in. Not near the Mason-Dixon line


Really?

Here we go ....


I find it interesting that Scranton is only targeting 1 kid for next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 22, 2012, 05:21:15 PM
Binghamton Univ. is expected to announce the hiring of Dunmore/Scranton native & former Susquehanna basketball player Tom Dempsey as their new Head coach.
He'll replace former Temple star Mark Macon who was fired a few weeks ago.
Dempsey has been the Head coach at Rider College the past several seasons.
About all I can say is, good luck Tommy...you'll need it with where that program has fallen.
By the way, their top freshman just announced he's transferring to Loyola Marymount.
My guess is that it will take at least 4 years to show some basic signs of success...just hope their new AD can wait that long.
I think many of us know only too well that it was their rush to winning at any cost that got them in this mess to begin with.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 22, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 20, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
  Went prospecting for the 2013 class today at an AAU tourney; didn't seem to be as many prospects as last year. Had another extended conversation with Coach Harney of St. Mary's; he said that my top uncommitted 2012 prospect(similar game to Ross Danzig) who had narrowed his choices to Salisbury, St. Mary's and, possibly, Scranton, will be a St. Mary's Seahawk. Also, St. Mary's had inquired about an opening in one of the Royals' tournaments this coming year but the opening had been filled by the time of inquiry.

FYI - St. Mary's is one of several CAC teams scrambling a bit this off season. For the Maryland schools in the CAC... they are technically trying to make up for losing seven games from their recent schedules. They lost three games to the Pride of Maryland ending and four games due to the fact Stevenson and Hood have left the conference for the MAC.

St. Mary's is part of the inaugural Hoopsville Classic at Stevenson University to start the '12-'13 season, but that is just two games solved.

Dave,
  I didn't know this at the time I talked with Coach Harney or I would have asked him about it. Why did it end? Would't think that it was for financial or competition reasons; you arranged for 1st-round games to be against nonleague opponents; a non-tourney format could be arranged so that all 3 games would be against nonleague opponents.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 22, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 22, 2012, 05:21:15 PM
Binghamton Univ. is expected to announce the hiring of Dunmore/Scranton native & former Susquehanna basketball player Tom Dempsey as their new Head coach.
He'll replace former Temple star Mark Macon who was fired a few weeks ago.
Dempsey has been the Head coach at Rider College the past several seasons.
About all I can say is, good luck Tommy...you'll need it with where that program has fallen.
By the way, their top freshman just announced he's transferring to Loyola Marymount.
My guess is that it will take at least 4 years to show some basic signs of success...just hope their new AD can wait that long.
I think many of us know only too well that it was their rush to winning at any cost that got them in this mess to begin with.


Scranton was going to play Rider in an exhibition this year, I wonder if that gets scrapped in favor of Binghamton, who Scranton used to beat on a fairly regularly basis. You guys aren't taking in Billy Rafftery at the Denaples Center tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 22, 2012, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 22, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 22, 2012, 05:21:15 PM
Binghamton Univ. is expected to announce the hiring of Dunmore/Scranton native & former Susquehanna basketball player Tom Dempsey as their new Head coach.
He'll replace former Temple star Mark Macon who was fired a few weeks ago.
Dempsey has been the Head coach at Rider College the past several seasons.
About all I can say is, good luck Tommy...you'll need it with where that program has fallen.
By the way, their top freshman just announced he's transferring to Loyola Marymount.
My guess is that it will take at least 4 years to show some basic signs of success...just hope their new AD can wait that long.
I think many of us know only too well that it was their rush to winning at any cost that got them in this mess to begin with.


Scranton was going to play Rider in an exhibition this year, I wonder if that gets scrapped in favor of Binghamton, who Scranton used to beat on a fairly regularly basis. You guys aren't taking in Billy Rafftery at the Denaples Center tonight?

Hopefully, they'll make the videocast available like they did last year, although that of the main speaker, PJ,  was missing for an undisclosed reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2012, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 22, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 20, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
  Went prospecting for the 2013 class today at an AAU tourney; didn't seem to be as many prospects as last year. Had another extended conversation with Coach Harney of St. Mary's; he said that my top uncommitted 2012 prospect(similar game to Ross Danzig) who had narrowed his choices to Salisbury, St. Mary's and, possibly, Scranton, will be a St. Mary's Seahawk. Also, St. Mary's had inquired about an opening in one of the Royals' tournaments this coming year but the opening had been filled by the time of inquiry.

FYI - St. Mary's is one of several CAC teams scrambling a bit this off season. For the Maryland schools in the CAC... they are technically trying to make up for losing seven games from their recent schedules. They lost three games to the Pride of Maryland ending and four games due to the fact Stevenson and Hood have left the conference for the MAC.

St. Mary's is part of the inaugural Hoopsville Classic at Stevenson University to start the '12-'13 season, but that is just two games solved.

Dave,
  I didn't know this at the time I talked with Coach Harney or I would have asked him about it. Why did it end? Would't think that it was for financial or competition reasons; you arranged for 1st-round games to be against nonleague opponents; a non-tourney format could be arranged so that all 3 games would be against nonleague opponents.

There were a lot of reasons if you ask a lot of people. I could give you a bunch of reasons as well... but others would then disagree with me here or in private... so I am not going to speculate more than there were some schools (and who ever at those schools) were frustrated with some things... and when more responsibility was given to the schools involved instead of just one or two... it seems that caused things to derail. I also think some took advantage of the tournament and didn't contribute, either. Again... someone or many will disagree with me and I could say more on my opinion... but I suspect it won't get anywhere in explaining what happened.

As for the reason it was a tournament... the point of the tournament wasn't to guarantee three games at the beginning of the season for eight of the nine Maryland teams... it was to actually crown a state champion - the only such tournament in the country. It worked and the fact it is gone is disappointing because I had also put in a lot of effort into the tournament. Honestly, it ended shortly before I was about to approach everyone and see if I could take over good chunks of the tournament.

That all being said... there is now a new event in its place. The Hoopsville National Invitational Classic will debut the first weekend of next season. It is the biggest opening event on the D3 calendar featuring eight teams from six states and DC included including two teams receiving votes in the last Top 25 and potentially three or four may be getting votes in the preseason poll. We will formally release the teams and the schedule in the very near future. And I have been named Tournament Director for the Hoopsville NIC and am looking forward to seeing how this event grows in the future.

FYI - St. Mary's is part of the tournament... but that is all you are getting right now :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
OK, back to Landmark Conference talk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 23, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
OK, back to Landmark Conference talk.

  You're overlooking its profound effect on the Goucher program and, by extension, the Landmark Conference. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 23, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
OK, back to Landmark Conference talk.

  You're overlooking its profound effect on the Goucher program and, by extension, the Landmark Conference. ;)

OK, ronkster, fill me in, lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 23, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
Did they make a decision at Brown yet? Can't be to reassuring for recruits that your coach is flirting with a d 1 school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 23, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
OK, back to Landmark Conference talk.

  You're overlooking its profound effect on the Goucher program and, by extension, the Landmark Conference. ;)

OK, ronkster, fill me in, lol

As with St. Mary's, but not to the same extent... all teams that participated in the Pride of Maryland had to fill in three games they normally would have slotted into their schedules. Goucher needed to fill three slots in the early part of the season; St. Mary's, because of their conference changes, had to fill in 7.

Goucher also tended to host some of those games almost every year... so that affects some other elements of the gym's use and the basketball schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 23, 2012, 01:06:33 PM
The Pride of Maryland are entertaining the BoSox as we speak ... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
A story worth noting... please keep Damone Brooks, his family, his teammates, the coaching staff, and the Goucher community in your hearts, thoughts, and prayers.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 23, 2012, 11:36:37 PM
  Puts in perspective looking for a couple replacement games on the schedule vs fighting for your life. Our prayers will certainly be with Damone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 24, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
That is horrible. Puts things in perspective for sure. Prayers for Damone and his family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 24, 2012, 12:37:24 PM
Dave: One very well-written article we all wish you never had to write.
Prayers & thoughts to Damone & his family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 25, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
Thank you to those who have shown support and kind comments about my article.

It certainly puts a lot of things into perspective and has certainly grounded me a bit since I started working on the story a few weeks ago.

I have been told by someone close to the family that Damone has received words of encouragement from several colleges per the article. It proves that Division III truly is a family and I hope people don't forget about his struggles. There actually is a basketball event at his high school in Takoma Park, Md. next Saturday which will feature Goucher basketball players and Springbrook High players and alumni.

Now for the good news... Damone was released from the hospital yesterday to a rehab facility. He is now at Kennedy Kreiger Institute in Baltimore and will be starting rehab as soon as today.

Please keep everyone in your thoughts and prayers and if you get the chance and feel it appropriate, the family certainly appreciates the words of encouragement at the very least.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 31, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
Very sobering. Prayers for his continued healing and for his family, friends and teammates.

Not a good day for Landmark hoops news via Baltimore, as I've found out (in a roundabout way) that former Susquehanna player Darryl Augustus was killed in Carney this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 01, 2012, 12:24:44 AM
TheGrove - I usually keep tabs on Baltimore news... for obvious reasons for many... but since I have disconnected that part of my life for now, I didn't know. I am terribly sorry to hear that.

Here is the story for those looking for more info, it is a sad tail: http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_county_crime/police-man-killed-exs-new-boyfriend (http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_county_crime/police-man-killed-exs-new-boyfriend)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on June 01, 2012, 10:00:53 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 31, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
Very sobering. Prayers for his continued healing and for his family, friends and teammates.

Not a good day for Landmark hoops news via Baltimore, as I've found out (in a roundabout way) that former Susquehanna player Darryl Augustus was killed in Carney this week.

Offering condolences to one family and prayers to another at such young ages is so upsetting. Their lives haven't even begun and just is not fair.
God Speed to both young men...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 01, 2012, 02:44:27 PM
Danny Nee's recruiting class:

Men's Basketball Announces 10 New Recruits
The United States Merchant Marine Academy men's basketball team released the names of 10 recruits that will be joining the Mariners this upcoming 2012-13 basketball season.



The incoming class will have large shoes to fill as Kings Point will be losing three key seniors to graduation this spring.  The incoming group ranges in height from 5'10" – 6'8" and represents eight different states:



Name:                              Ht.          Hometown/High School

Payton Ball                       6'3"        Hampstead, NC/Topsail High School

Scott Dennin                     6'7"        Gilbertsville, PA/Boyertown High School

Alex Dodane                     6'1"        Noblesville, IN/Culver Military Academy

David Gregory                  6'2"        Murrysville, PA/Franklin Regional High School

George Hatzioannides        6'1"        Oakland Gardens, NY/St. Francis Prep High School

Chris Jennings                  5'10"       Plantation, FL/St. Thomas Aquinas High School

Warren Manegan               6'0"        Toyko, Japan /Yokota High School

Preston Padgett                 6'1"        Leavenworth, KS/Leavenworth High School

David Smith                      6'4"        Lakewood, WA/Bellarmine Preparatory High School

Andrew Williams                6'8"        Lantana, TX/John Guyer High School

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 07, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
 Here's an update on Damon in our local paper
http://www.gazette.net/article/20120606/SPORTS/706069882/1023/1023/springbrook-rallies-to-support-paralyzed-graduate&template=gazette
The referee in the picture background is my very good friend who refs a number of Landmark games at Goucher and Catholic each year.
 
In news about Catholic:

Brown named their new coach, Mike Martin, so it wasn't Steve Howes.
GW, coached by Howes' Catholic predecessor Mike Lonergan, will host Catholic in a Nov. exhibition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 08, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
ronk - thanks for sharing the article. I had hoped to get to the charity game, but was out of town. I do know there are other efforts underway for benefit games... but that will come down the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 16, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
Happy Monday!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 16, 2012, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 16, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
Happy Monday!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo

Homer!!!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on July 23, 2012, 05:24:22 PM
TheGrove is now officially a NEPA resident, but contrary to rumor, will not become "TheAb" anytime soon.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 24, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on July 23, 2012, 05:24:22 PM
TheGrove is now officially a NEPA resident, but contrary to rumor, will not become "TheAb" anytime soon.  ;D

Welcome, I think.... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on July 24, 2012, 05:49:21 PM
Quote from: cold_case on July 24, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on July 23, 2012, 05:24:22 PM
TheGrove is now officially a NEPA resident, but contrary to rumor, will not become "TheAb" anytime soon.  ;D

Welcome, I think.... 8-)

Thanks! It's nice to (finally) be here!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 24, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Let me know when you want to join the royal booster club!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on July 25, 2012, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 24, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Let me know when you want to join the royal booster club!

That would be never! I may have left the 'grove but I bleed orange and maroon!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 25, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on July 25, 2012, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 24, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Let me know when you want to join the royal booster club!

That would be never! I may have left the 'grove but I bleed orange and maroon!  ;D

Virginia Tech?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 26, 2012, 12:49:56 AM
 And before Virginia Tech Beamer ball maroon and orange, there was Amos Alonzo Stagg Susquehanna maroon and orange.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 26, 2012, 05:33:06 PM
Yo ronk, Scranton brought in nine total ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on July 26, 2012, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 26, 2012, 12:49:56 AM
And before Virginia Tech Beamer ball maroon and orange, there was Amos Alonzo Stagg Susquehanna maroon and orange.

+k for the Stagg reference.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 27, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: cold_case on July 26, 2012, 05:33:06 PM
Yo ronk, Scranton brought in nine total ...


Can you write up a release since Scranton hasn't yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 27, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
I think they're gun shy since previous releases made some kids out to be future All-Americans & many never left the end of the bench...for four years.
CC: while you're putting the release together, also do some checking with your sources & find out why/how Malik got away.
Nine incoming...which means perhaps 5 will make the team, 3 may get some playing time (when the Royals are up or down 30), & 1 may be a player with impact potential.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 27, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
  I think there's enough time for 2 starter positions and 3 reserve roles, plenty of opportunity for the newcomers since the holdovers rarely played last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 30, 2012, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 27, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
I think they're gun shy since previous releases made some kids out to be future All-Americans & many never left the end of the bench...for four years.
CC: while you're putting the release together, also do some checking with your sources & find out why/how Malik got away.
Nine incoming...which means perhaps 5 will make the team, 3 may get some playing time (when the Royals are up or down 30), & 1 may be a player with impact potential.

I hate to say this but all will be on the roster.
As for the future A-A's that went bust, that was Buntz. He made guys like me look like the second coming of Jerry West and Walt Frazier, lol....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 02, 2012, 09:12:42 AM
Scranton has a partial schedule up and they are playing Keystone. Have those two teams every played?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 02, 2012, 09:35:30 AM
 I played against them when they were a junior college; they had a good player named Christy Mathewson; he had some talent, but I never heard what became of him. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 02, 2012, 01:44:48 PM
Ah so the Keystone Baseball tradition goes all the way back....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 02, 2012, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 27, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
I think they're gun shy since previous releases made some kids out to be future All-Americans & many never left the end of the bench...for four years.
CC: while you're putting the release together, also do some checking with your sources & find out why/how Malik got away.
Nine incoming...which means perhaps 5 will make the team, 3 may get some playing time (when the Royals are up or down 30), & 1 may be a player with impact potential.

The Malik kid was given a package nowhere near what Ursinus offered. He nearly got a free ride there
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 02, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Financial need or athletic aid ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on August 02, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Financial need or athletic aid ;D

Supposedly, it was financial, just ask Ursinus, they'll tell you.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 09:46:42 AM
This is waaaay off topic but it's certainly worth watching. The curve he threw on pitch four was scary great. The guy filming and the moaning of the crowd backs it up.
By the way, after pitch two, you'll notice someone broke into Pat's car.....

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/19718242/video-dylan-bundys-ridiculous-curve
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 04, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Just read the article about the kid in SI. The issue with the " We were Penn State" on the cover.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 04, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Just read the article about the kid in SI. The issue with the " We were Penn State" on the cover.

What was the Penn State feature about?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 05, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 04, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Just read the article about the kid in SI. The issue with the " We were Penn State" on the cover.

What was the Penn State feature about?


Take a guess! I actually didn't read it, as we have been overloaded with that story for the past few months.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 05, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 05, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 04, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Just read the article about the kid in SI. The issue with the " We were Penn State" on the cover.

What was the Penn State feature about?

Take a guess! I actually didn't read it, as we have been overloaded with that story for the past few months.


You mean all the mainstream sensationalistic garbage that most media thrive on because they're too lazy to be enterprising?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: cold_case on August 05, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 05, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 04, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 04, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Just read the article about the kid in SI. The issue with the " We were Penn State" on the cover.

What was the Penn State feature about?

Take a guess! I actually didn't read it, as we have been overloaded with that story for the past few months.


You mean all the mainstream sensationalistic garbage that most media thrive on because they're too lazy to be enterprising?


Not touching this one.

Scranton plays Rider in Jersey in early November for an exhibition, even though their Coach with Scranton ties is now at Binghamton.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on August 13, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
Rider? theyre the team hosting the 6am basketball game this year for espn's 24 hours of bball marathon
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 13, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?

Better yet, why did I lose karma? Pat has to boot out the children on this board...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2012, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 13, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?

Better yet, why did I lose karma? Pat has to boot out the children on this board...

Well, it wasn't in the past 24 hours, so I can't check. Sorry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 14, 2012, 04:14:36 PM
Thanks for beating a dead horse and hijacking my question.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 14, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
What question?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 15, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
This one:


By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 15, 2012, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 13, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?

Better yet, why did I lose karma? Pat has to boot out the children on this board...

I'd think you'd be more worried about your Orioles getting to 90 wins than you would about your karma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 16, 2012, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 15, 2012, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 13, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
By the way, why do i get a red X where everyone's Avatars used to be?

Better yet, why did I lose karma? Pat has to boot out the children on this board...

I'd think you'd be more worried about your Orioles getting to 90 wins than you would about your karma.


Thanks for reminding me. Remember when I posted they would win 90 and everyone laughed. Heck, one guy joked, "Ninety wins total in two years."
They've exceeded, don't you think?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on August 27, 2012, 01:56:24 AM
Well all the kids are on campus what the hell is the secret about the recruits give them up!The U is pretty pathetic when it comes to this.There PR is pretty pathetic that is the reason why you have 200 people at a game instead of 2000.Back in the day you would have easily 2500 on a night the A.D. at the U is a disgrace and i mean a disgrace to this institution.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 27, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
You do realize that unless they are in a uniform and on the court or bench for the first game... touting you have a recruit is basically worthless in Division III? What if that recruit decides he/she is no longer interested in playing the sport?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 27, 2012, 05:57:28 PM
Seriously. Even returning players are no guarantee til gameday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 27, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: augie on August 27, 2012, 01:56:24 AM
Well all the kids are on campus what the hell is the secret about the recruits give them up!The U is pretty pathetic when it comes to this.There PR is pretty pathetic that is the reason why you have 200 people at a game instead of 2000.Back in the day you would have easily 2500 on a night the A.D. at the U is a disgrace and i mean a disgrace to this institution.


I agree and disagree. For one, with Twitter and Facebook and everything else you might as well release the information because it is already out there on the internet.

At the same time Augie, one of the recruits coming in this year bascially said that he is coming to the U because of the large crowds and good atmosphere. You can PM me for his name and the story hahaha.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on August 28, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
Dave remeber last year our thought and i proved you wrong Middlebury are you still living the dream dave well wake up.Last year Scranton had the recruits by june so stop trying to be a D3 hoops guru cause you got shot down last year when Scranton beat Your super team MIDDLEBURY just relax and let people talk.Maybe you and coleman will give more credit
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on August 28, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
Quote from: augie on August 28, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
Dave remeber last year our thought and i proved you wrong Middlebury are you still living the dream dave well wake up.Last year Scranton had the recruits by june so stop trying to be a D3 hoops guru cause you got shot down last year when Scranton beat Your super team MIDDLEBURY just relax and let people talk.Maybe you and coleman will give more credit

Great point augie, and its games like that which is why i'm in favor of the new NCAA format.  After such an emotional win in a sweet 16 game, there was no way Scranton could refocus the next night.  Its called a let down, which occurs way too often in sports.  Same thing has happened to F&M on numerous occasions over the past couple of seasons. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 28, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
QuoteWell all the kids are on campus what the hell is the secret about the recruits give them up!The U is pretty pathetic when it comes to this. There PR is pretty pathetic that is the reason why you have 200 people at a game instead of 2000.Back in the day you would have easily 2500 on a night the A.D. at the U is a disgrace and i mean a disgrace to this institution.

I don't know whether Scranton could or should release its name of recruits before practice starts.  Those kinds of releases usually come in the spring when schools stage press events or closer to the season starting.  But Scranton's sports information department is one of the best I've ever dealt with.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 28, 2012, 11:50:05 AM
Quote from: augie on August 28, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
Dave remeber last year our thought and i proved you wrong Middlebury are you still living the dream dave well wake up.Last year Scranton had the recruits by june so stop trying to be a D3 hoops guru cause you got shot down last year when Scranton beat Your super team MIDDLEBURY just relax and let people talk.Maybe you and coleman will give more credit
What in the world is your point?! I am not saying schools don't get recruits... I am just saying that in my opinion sending out press releases and touting recruits isn't always the best practice. This is D3... not D1... you can tout D1 and even D2 recruits because they sign letters of intent and scholarship paperwork... there is nothing like that in D3 and there is nothing that says a student HAS to end up playing a sport for a school even if they were recruited. That's all... nothing more... it is something I have said for years on boards throughout the country and on the air... nothing new!

As for your spouting off about Scranton... I guess you missed my comments about giving Scranton their just due... I congratulated them here and on air for beating Middlebury (though, I did disagree with how high they ended up ranked in the final Top 25)... I gave them a ton of credit for slowing the game down, keeping Middlebury from having more possessions by using as much of the shot clock as possible... it came down to a last second shot that if they don't make their season is over... and they made it.

Furthermore... these boards are all about letting people talk... but at the same time you need to do the same... I am entitled to talk as much as anyone else. You don't have to agree with me, that is fine... but don't tell me to let people talk by basically saying I shouldn't.

Quote from: onetinsoldier on August 28, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
Great point augie, and its games like that which is why i'm in favor of the new NCAA format.  After such an emotional win in a sweet 16 game, there was no way Scranton could refocus the next night.  Its called a let down, which occurs way too often in sports.  Same thing has happened to F&M on numerous occasions over the past couple of seasons. 
While I can see why you agree with the new format... don't get used to it... this is a one-and-done format... it is around simply to get the D3 tournament all the way to Atlanta with as little down time as possible (though, there is still a TON of down time). While I understand your point about refocusing after a big win... that is what tournaments are built on in not only Division III but pretty much all sports (except football and pro soccer). The best team is prepared to play two games in two nights... this format could make things very interesting and actually may favor the best teams in the country more than teams like Scranton who pull off a tremendous win but their next opponent now gets a week to prepare for them (though, Middlebury certainly did get that amount of time and Scranton certainly had a better scheme).

And I echo Gordon's point... Scranton and many of the Landmark and Mid-Atlantic, Atlantic region SID departments are top notch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 28, 2012, 02:18:41 PM
Posting recruits might not be so bad - what really hurts me (as a fan) is when a player leaves abruptly mid-season.  Of course, there probably always are circumstances that might warrant their departure, but ouch!  Does anyone think it will come down to a specific "retention" person to make sure the players are reasonably "happy"?  Also to make sure grades are up to snuff.   With everything rather hyped (even in our D3 world), a coach, as good as they are, can't do everything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.

And they were in the Top 25. Dave said he disagreed with "how high they ended up ranked in the top 25" -- he did not say they did not deserve to be ranked at all, although it appears from your reaction that that might be what you read.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 28, 2012, 06:25:39 PM
No sense hyping recruits who may never play.  Talking to the freshmen at F&M, several are talking about not going out so they can focus on academics, and one tore his ACL is probably not playing this year.  Last year 2 big freshmen sat out all year: one for a lingering injury and one for illness.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 28, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
In the meantime and a little off topic, the Orioles keep rolling along.
Pat? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 28, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
  I think we're in total agreement here that nobody is a better SID than Kevin Southard et al, but it's most likely NOT his call as to the time of release of incomers' info. I'll start a rumor right now that the info will be released in the fall - at the men's bball fundraiser golf outing 21 Sep(1st day of fall), so, if you want to know, show up at the outing.
   RIP Art Heyman, Duke teammate of Scranton Prep's Steve Vacendak - they lost in the '64 NCAA final to John Wooden's 1st championship at UCLA
   FWIW dept. - came across a list of schools that started as women's colleges, among them Moravian and Goucher; Moravian must have been very long ago, because I sat on the bench against their men's team in the early '60s. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: cold_case on August 28, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
In the meantime and a little off topic, the Orioles keep rolling along.
Pat? ;D

Hey, no doubt, and not surprised you would choose to gloat. I am definitely surprised at the success of the O's this year, though. I thought for sure Angelos couldn't keep from screwing this up the way his "baseball people" screwed up the previous 14 or so teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 28, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I think Augie hit the bottle a little hard last night, but two things:



-How does a Elite 8 team not deserve to be in the Top 25?

-Scranton misses that shot and they go to overtime ( where they probably do lose) but if he missed it would not have sent them home.

I would note, as I often do, that last eight is not the same as top eight. We'll see in October/November what they have back, and what everyone else has back, and where our 25 voters (not just me and Dave!) want to collectively rank them.

Pat,

I agree about seeing what they having returning. I was talking about the Final Poll last year. Thought they deserved to be in the Top 25.

And they were in the Top 25. Dave said he disagreed with "how high they ended up ranked in the top 25" -- he did not say they did not deserve to be ranked at all, although it appears from your reaction that that might be what you read.

I never indicated they didn't deserve to be in the Top 25... I in fact ranked them on my ballot... but I did NOT rank them in the Top 8... Top 10... etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 29, 2012, 08:38:46 PM
I spent a summer interning in Susquehanna's sports information office, back in a day when we did do press releases on men's basketball recruits. Summer's a slow news time, ya know? However, to get information on all of them, I ended up having to go to the admissions office and dig through applications. This is D3, you have to note all the academic honors and such.  ;D I think this took up half my summer.

I have no idea how many of those "recruits" ended up playing or not. But I've seen plenty a coach who thought they had a recruit but the kid gets here and decides not to play, whether before the season or in pre-season. Or the kid who doesn't come back for a second, third, fourth season. Academics, injuries, interest in other activities, you name it, it's a reason.

Also, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 30, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
QuoteAlso, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on August 31, 2012, 01:52:48 AM
Nepafan you are exactly right to much can you tell when you write at 3.30 am.My theory is this D3hoops is so much sucked up the likes of Amherst,Wis Stevens point,Washington U and etc.That they forget about the rest and Dave The Guru of D3basketball sucked up his words when he said to Coach Danzing that on paper you have (No chance and i mean no chance against The number four team in are poll)I wrote back to The Guru that the game was not won on paper.So what happened a big shock.So you say you have 25 voters do they see every game like the great one or are you guessing on scores that you see throughout the week.I invite you to join us at the best gym in D3 the Long Center during a playoff game.Watch out for the best player in the Landmark and will be an All American Ross Danzing.I am a long supporter and follower of the U and i saw a lot of All Americans come out of this school
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 30, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
QuoteAlso, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1

No quality SID walks just a mile. That job is much more like a marathon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 31, 2012, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 30, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
QuoteAlso, regarding SIDs: that a seriously a job you shouldn't knock unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

+1

No quality SID walks just a mile. That job is much more like a marathon.

True, but spending even a mile in their shoes is not for the faint of heart!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on September 01, 2012, 04:45:42 AM
It is so  amazing when you speak the truth on this board how they cut you down with there pathetic system -20 are you kidding how about attacking Dave for not giving are team credit last year.Politics are not good Coleman learn to respect everyone not just your friends
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2012, 11:43:15 AM
augie - did it ever occur to you that may there are other people who disagree with you? I don't usually "smite" anyone for their posts (though there are exceptions) and since this is the first time I have had time to read this board in days... I haven't had time to consider smiting you... and won't since you are free to your opinion.

So... if your karma is -20... maybe you need to realize that there are other people out there who read your thoughts and comments and don't agree with you... because I promise you it isn't me knocking your karma down.

Finally... I am done going around and around with you... but let me put something bluntly... have you ever heard of the expression "on paper"? It is used often to point out that according to stats and numbers and other things you can find on paper, you can surmise that one team is or isn't better than another... however, you still have to play the game. While I can't remember my exact quote, though I can go back to find it rather easily, I am sure I was asking the question in such a fashion to indicate Scranton was an underdog and wondering what Coach Danzig was doing to prepare for such perceived a tough task.

I have known Coach Danzig for a long time and I respect him and his program a great deal; I assume the same is true from him considering we have great conversations when I see him during the season and he has been gracious enough to come on my show many times. Futhermore, if I didn't respect Scranton and was just sucking up to teams you think I am sucking up to... then why would I bother having Scranton on my show?

As for your comments about Top 25 voters... there are three voters in Scranton's region I know have seen them play each year several times and many of us across the country take the time to watch games from around the country besides looking at just scores. I understand your loyalty to the Royals and I applaud it... but understand that there are 410+ mens programs out there and voting in the Top 25 is one of the most challenging things to do... you need to look outside of just your team and conference and appreciate the other schools out there. Last season is over... the 2012 season starts in 2 1/2 months... let's see what the Royals bring back this season and we shall go from there.

Oh... how many times to I have to write comments giving Scranton credit before you actually read them? Again... season is over; board has been wiped clean. Let the players and coaches perform on the floor and credit will come in the '12-'13 season. And I am done taking the time to reply to your constant bashing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 01, 2012, 01:46:08 PM
Pat. Would you gloat if your team finally got off the deck from 14 straight losing seasons??? 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
Don't think the O's are Pat's team :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 01, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
Don't think the O's are Pat's team :)

No, read what it says. If your favorite team struggled like the O's have...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
Yeah... I read it a dozen times and came up with my response... must have not understood the point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 01, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Wow lots of tension on the board lately.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2012, 08:36:25 AM
Dave -the orioles have stunk for the past 25 years . CC is giddy and feels like gloating.



Augie for poster of the year!! What did I tell you about early morning posts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 02, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2012, 08:36:25 AM
Dave -the orioles have stunk for the past 25 years . CC is giddy and feels like gloating.

Giddy but I do always manage to bring accuracy to the table. I guess the O's stunk all the way to the 1996 and '97 ALCS too?

NEPA is mad because i won't tell him how many of the nine recruits showed up on campus last week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 02, 2012, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

Another -1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2012, 04:39:41 PM
Sorry obvious typo!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2012, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: augie on September 01, 2012, 04:45:42 AM
It is so  amazing when you speak the truth on this board how they cut you down with there pathetic system -20 are you kidding how about attacking Dave for not giving are team credit last year.Politics are not good Coleman learn to respect everyone not just your friends

Augie -- I hate to break it to you but I'm not even really paying any attention to you. Maybe you'll find that to be better, maybe worse, but it's the truth. This is football season and I really tend to gloss over the haters in general, but especially in the out-of-season sports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 02, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

Here's another -1 for you.

I try to stay out of things on boards other than the ones I'm familiar with, but when people grossly misunderstand what freedom of speech means, I feel I must comment.

How exactly was your freedom to speak impeded here? Their opinion to disagree with you isn't impeding your speech.

Second, it doesn't matter, the freedom of speech doesn't apply to "online posting boards." The owners of this board can restrict your posts if they are deemed to be outside the terms of service (but your posts haven't been restricted, have they?). 

Finally -- Grow up? Nice coming from a person who clearly doesn't have a complete grasp of the English language.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 02, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

What exactly does the right to bear arms have to do with freedom of speech, again? You don't even know what amendment you're grossly misinterpreting. If you're going to get all self-righteous and start quoting amendments, pick up a U.S. History textbook first.

Oh, and -K
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 02, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 02, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

What exactly does the right to bear arms have to do with freedom of speech, again? You don't even know what amendment you're grossly misinterpreting. If you're going to get all self-righteous and start quoting amendments, pick up a U.S. History textbook first.

Oh, and -K

Oh wow, I was so distracted by the writing that I didn't even notice the amendment being incorrect. That's even more reason for the -k.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 02, 2012, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 02, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

What exactly does the right to bear arms have to do with freedom of speech, again? You don't even know what amendment you're grossly misinterpreting. If you're going to get all self-righteous and start quoting amendments, pick up a U.S. History textbook first.

Oh, and -K

I was just about to point that out myself. -k from me too. Don't get me started on the horrendous typing and the like.

Hey cold_case: Go O's!

NEPAFAN: Speaking of baseball, what new name do you like for the SWB Soon-Not-To-Be-Yankees?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
Quote from: pg04 on September 02, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

Here's another -1 for you.

Finally -- Grow up? Nice coming from a person who clearly doesn't have a complete grasp of the English language.

Well, let's not personal with the guy either ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 02, 2012, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 02, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: augie on September 02, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Dave enough is enough.You and Pat are not kidding anybody since when you tell the truth you get smitten hey if you live that life go to a communist country.Second amendment FREEDOM OF SPEECH thank god i am an AMERICAN.GROW UP

What exactly does the right to bear arms have to do with freedom of speech, again? You don't even know what amendment you're grossly misinterpreting. If you're going to get all self-righteous and start quoting amendments, pick up a U.S. History textbook first.

Oh, and -K

I was just about to point that out myself. -k from me too. Don't get me started on the horrendous typing and the like.

Hey cold_case: Go O's!

Ahh, another believer.  8-)
As for the AAA Yankees, I live a couple miles from the IronPigs. Whoooppppeeee!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
Coming soon to television sets near you ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 03, 2012, 01:40:39 PM
Grove,


I am partial to the Trolley Frogs, lots of merchandising opportunities for the kiddos with that. I was curious why they wanted to change their names at first, but forgot how important branding is.

Do you have a favorite?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.

I remember they were thinking of planting a Class A team in Shamokin and calling them the Shamokin Dopes... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.

I remember they were thinking of planting a Class A team in Shamokin and calling them the Shamokin Dopes... ;D

Don't quit your day job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 04, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.

I remember they were thinking of planting a Class A team in Shamokin and calling them the Shamokin Dopes... ;D

Don't quit your day job.

I can't afford to. I'm not making six figures a year like you and NEPA... :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 04, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Hey cold case, dem O's are tied for first!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 05, 2012, 08:41:04 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 04, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Hey cold case, dem O's are tied for first!

I just can't help thinking when it's going to come crashing down. Maybe it won't. These kids just don't want to let it end...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 05, 2012, 12:14:43 PM
Just think if you put your money where your mouth was in the beginning of the season.


Can't wait for this series against the Yanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 05, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 04, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.

I remember they were thinking of planting a Class A team in Shamokin and calling them the Shamokin Dopes... ;D

Don't quit your day job.

I can't afford to. I'm not making six figures a year like you and NEPA... :)

I do make six figures...  I just wish the decimal point was in a different place.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 06, 2012, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 05, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 04, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on September 03, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Yeah - Evil Empire.  ;D

Of the actual finalists, I think Trolley Frogs is my favorite. Quirky without being ridiculous and a nice nod to local history.

I remember they were thinking of planting a Class A team in Shamokin and calling them the Shamokin Dopes... ;D

Don't quit your day job.

I can't afford to. I'm not making six figures a year like you and NEPA... :)

I do make six figures...  I just wish the decimal point was in a different place.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on September 07, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
While the Orioles may be tied for first, the bigger news is they finally moved up to 3rd place in the D3hoops.com's AL East poll!  6 more consecutive wins and Dave might give them a vote over tampa!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on September 08, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Let me make my point clear.It was 3.30 am in the morning and i saw Senator Casey email to  me the 2nd amendment was on my mine after the goofy bastartd that killed about 58 people i am sorry if i am not as perfect with the Pat Coleman theory.Pat you and dave are nothing but a piece of garbage anybody  THAT has a roll in the thought ..You are Pat Coleman over Hey Coleman make dave apologize to coach Danzing for what he said.PLEASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 08, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: augie on September 08, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Let me make my point clear.It was 3.30 am in the morning and i saw Senator Casey email to  me the 2nd amendment was on my mine after the goofy bastartd that killed about 58 people i am sorry if i am not as perfect with the Pat Coleman theory.Pat you and dave are nothing but a piece of garbage anybody  THAT has a roll in the thought ..You are Pat Coleman over Hey Coleman make dave apologize to coach Danzing for what he said.PLEASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT

WTF???????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 08, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
drugs????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 08, 2012, 05:05:09 PM
Posting at 3:44 a.m. again.

augie, if it's after midnight, step away from the computer. And don't eat. And don't get wet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 08, 2012, 07:37:48 PM
Clearly we need to get Senator Casey involved...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 08, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
  Casey at the Bat? There is no joy in Mudville; mighty Casey has struck out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 08, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 08, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: augie on September 08, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Let me make my point clear.It was 3.30 am in the morning and i saw Senator Casey email to  me the 2nd amendment was on my mine after the goofy bastartd that killed about 58 people i am sorry if i am not as perfect with the Pat Coleman theory.Pat you and dave are nothing but a piece of garbage anybody  THAT has a roll in the thought ..You are Pat Coleman over Hey Coleman make dave apologize to coach Danzing for what he said.PLEASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT

WTF???????

I think that sums it up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 09, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
And that's layman's terms.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 09, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
He complained at minus 20 karma  :o. Look at his karma now.   ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2012, 03:20:22 PM
Quoteaugie, if it's after midnight, step away from the computer. And don't eat. And don't get wet.

Nice Gremlins reference. +k
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 10, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 08, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: augie on September 08, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Let me make my point clear.It was 3.30 am in the morning and i saw Senator Casey email to  me the 2nd amendment was on my mine after the goofy bastartd that killed about 58 people i am sorry if i am not as perfect with the Pat Coleman theory.Pat you and dave are nothing but a piece of garbage anybody  THAT has a roll in the thought ..You are Pat Coleman over Hey Coleman make dave apologize to coach Danzing for what he said.PLEASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT

WTF???????

CC,

You post 'WTF' and your karma goes up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 10, 2012, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 10, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 08, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: augie on September 08, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Let me make my point clear.It was 3.30 am in the morning and i saw Senator Casey email to  me the 2nd amendment was on my mine after the goofy bastartd that killed about 58 people i am sorry if i am not as perfect with the Pat Coleman theory.Pat you and dave are nothing but a piece of garbage anybody  THAT has a roll in the thought ..You are Pat Coleman over Hey Coleman make dave apologize to coach Danzing for what he said.PLEASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT

WTF???????

CC,

You post 'WTF' and your karma goes up?

So it's been you taking it away all this time?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 10, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 10, 2012, 03:20:22 PM
Quoteaugie, if it's after midnight, step away from the computer. And don't eat. And don't get wet.

Nice Gremlins reference. +k

Wondered if anyone was going to catch that.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 10, 2012, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 10, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 10, 2012, 03:20:22 PM
Quoteaugie, if it's after midnight, step away from the computer. And don't eat. And don't get wet.

Nice Gremlins reference. +k

Wondered if anyone was going to catch that.  :)

I enjoyed it as well. But I don't believe it Karma. I am a socialist!  ;D

Meanwhile I am looking foward to Augie's next post on Sunday Morning between 3-4am.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 21, 2012, 02:20:31 PM
In case anyone missed it on the front page of D3hoops.com, Catholic will start the season at the inaugural Hoopsville National Invitational Classic at Stevenson University.

Catholic will play Transylvania on the night of Friday, November 16th... and then St. Mary's (Md.) on Saturday evening.

For more information, check out the story: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 24, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
How can they fit all these games in 12 hours. unless it's a two-day event?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
Muhlenberg has a large facility with 4 courts.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 24, 2012, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
Muhlenberg has a large facility with 4 courts.

Well, that makes sense... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 24, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
CC,


Warm up the Bus and get recruiting!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 25, 2012, 10:23:41 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 24, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
CC,


Warm up the Bus and get recruiting!

Bus? I can walk it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 26, 2012, 10:14:49 AM
Okay, a few days away from October and the opening of practice. Does Scranton get into the Top 25? When do we find out who they brought in? Who challenges them for the Conference Title this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 26, 2012, 10:33:28 AM
No. Nobody and everyone ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 26, 2012, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 26, 2012, 10:14:49 AM
Okay, a few days away from October and the opening of practice. Does Scranton get into the Top 25? When do we find out who they brought in? Who challenges them for the Conference Title this year?

Catholic maybe challenges them... but they lost who I thought was going to be a key for them (Donovan). I feel like Juniata and Susquehanna have been knocking on the door... just not sure if they are ready to walk through. And you never know with Merchant Marine... if they get together like three seasons ago, they are always tough to beat.

As for Scranton in the Top 25... possibly. Depends on when all the voters look at the pre-season information - it is the hardest poll to put together and usually is FULL of questions that just can't be answered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 26, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
Case of Cold ones: "Everyone" will challenge the Royals???
Geez, I thought with kids coming in from California to Vermont & all points in between plus the nucleus they have returning... they'd be a lock for Top 20 & a #1 Landshark Coaches pick.
Augie...what say ye???
Conspiracy??? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 27, 2012, 10:20:43 AM
togaski, is this your your way of getting me to say who showed up on Mulberry Street? Can you say P-S-Y-C-H-O-L-O-G-Y???  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 27, 2012, 05:52:48 PM
'toga, I live in NEPA now... I can do some spying... for a price.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 29, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
Oh, it's officially 90 wins and counting...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 29, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 29, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
Oh, it's officially 90 wins and counting...

I was looking for your post from the spring so I could admit my error.

Congrats to you and your O's.

Now, catch the Yankees.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on September 30, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 29, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: cold_case on September 29, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
Oh, it's officially 90 wins and counting...

I was looking for your post from the spring so I could admit my error.

Congrats to you and your O's.

Now, catch the Yankees.

That would be cool but I doubt it will happen. We close with three in Tampa while the Cranks are home for their final three with the Red Sox. I guess anything is possible...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on October 01, 2012, 11:12:28 AM
The o's hold the tiebreaker, so unless the rule changed if they finish tied they get the division while the yak$ take the wild card.  At the very least, the sox are throwing lester, buchholz and dice-k against NY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 01, 2012, 12:08:24 PM
The rule has changed... the Yankees and Orioles would have to have a playoff game to determine the winner due to the fact there are so many other aspects in play like the other wild card and how the bracket will be made up. Now, since the O's have the tiebreaker... the O's would host the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 01, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Just read the O's are banning folks from outside the area to buy tickets for the playoff game, to limit the New Yawkas from coming South...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 01, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
Grove: At this point, I think NEPA & I can come up with something worth your time.
By the way...just back from the Boston series at OPACY...Orange Heaven!
After the game, the O's put the 9th. inning of the Texas/Angels game on the Jumbotron & just about all 41,000 fans stayed & watched along with all the Orioles players. Pretty nice to see.
Once Hunter got the hit, the players & Buck took their caps off to the fans for sticking with them.
By the way, I was fortunate enough to get tickets for the Friday Wild Card should the O's host as well as games 1 & 2.
As Buck says...No pressure, we're playing with house money!
Cheers to Cold Case for pulling a classic Bess move & boldly predicting 90 wins many months ago.
Personally, I have to admit I had my doubts for that big of a swing.
As the tee shirts around the park stated...Buck, the Yanks!
In what's becoming an all to familiar scene in Boston...both Pedroia & Ellsbury are not in tonights lineup.
Valentine must have money on this game...one more decent check before Lizzy Borden sharpens it again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 01, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 01, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Just read the O's are banning folks from outside the area to buy tickets for the playoff game, to limit the New Yawkas from coming South...
Some of us Yank fans are already here. My 1st O's-Yanks game was in 1953, the year before Baltimore became Major League by taking the Browns franchise. My most recent was Yom Kippur nite a number of years ago when Cal Ripken broke his own streak by sitting out the game. Cal, I could have not seen you play by staying home instead of going to the park and not seeing you play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 02, 2012, 11:41:17 AM
Hey ronk... but you did see history and one of the classiest moves by an organization, the Yankees, for taking the time to recognize what they were witnessing and essentially stopping the game to salute him.

Quirk of that night... regular pre-game ceremonies and the like were apparently running long for some reason (I don't remember why), so the usual annoucement of starting line-ups did not take place inside the stadium (with the line-ups on the scoreboard in center). So, no one actually knew Cal wasn't in the game until he didn't take his place behind third base. I was at work that night monitoring the game and I remember making a call to my boss who was returning on a flight with the Ravens. We "threw out the rundown" and essentially blew-up the 11 PM news' rundown in a matter of 30 seconds... pretty cool experience and one of many great experiences I had with Cal Ripken and the Orioles (I actually attempted an interview with Cal the night he was announced he would be retiring, he politely declined - we had no idea the news coming though something certainly seemed to be up; I was also at his final game and have my press pass from that one, Cal later insisted on signing it after one of his many visits to my morning show).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 02, 2012, 02:07:23 PM
   I think it was the kid from Oklahoma that played D1 basketball for them that replaced Cal in the lineup. People were offering $5 for the ticket stub when I left the stadium at the end of the game. They thought it was going to be a collectible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 02, 2012, 06:30:37 PM
NEPA: The wait is over.
Scranton announces its 2012/2013 roster today.
The big kid from Vermont must have taken a wrong turn heading down the thruway...must have gotten off at Saratoga.
Perhaps some day he'll meet up with the wandering Wilkes recruit from The College of Charleston...circa 1997.
And to think I was about to offer TheGrove a Frank Marcinek bobblehead day at Scranton when the Crusaders come to town for some info.
The biggest question with Frank's pose is will he be wearing his sport coat or ripping it off as is usually the case 2 minutes into the game?
I have heard the one 2 guard from Jersey can fill it up from every spot on the floor & will remind many of Zach Ashworth in time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 02, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
Ronk:
I believe you're referring to Ryan Minor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 02, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
Toga,
   Ryan Minor is the one.
   Which NJ guard(Point Pleasant or Verona) might remind us of Zach? I've seen Palermo on video and Thomas on TV. Hopefully, they can contribute.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 03, 2012, 10:14:57 AM
Toga,


Good stuff on the Roster. Two things, no Bevacqua, which is dissapointing because I think he has talent. Not sure what the story is there. No Vermont kid, but a host of Freshman and a 6'8 transfer from Lackawanna. Any background on him?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 03, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
   There's a release today from Scranton's SID on the passing of Royals' great Willie Witaconis. Coach Bessoir listed him as 1 of top 5(along with Ed Kazakevich, Gene the machine Mumford, Irv Johnson, and Billy Bessoir) all-time Royals bballers. Having seen all 5, I can agree with his list and would put Willie #1. The year I played with the freshman team was Willie's fabulous junior year(27 ppg, 16 rpg), so I had a front row seat(emphasis on seat) daily watching how he dominated the opposition, which, considering their quality(8 D1 programs) puts him at the top.
    His greatest attribute was a Will and intensity at a level only achieved by his high school teammate, Steve Vacendak.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 03, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
  For those who don't subscribe to Scranton press releases, there is a 2nd one today with a link to the men's bball monthly(in-season) newsletter with a paragraph about each of the 8 newcomers among other items(Matt Swaback-new graduate assistant and exhibition game with Rider-1 month today).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 03, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 03, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
  For those who don't subscribe to Scranton press releases, there is a 2nd one today with a link to the men's bball monthly(in-season) newsletter with a paragraph about each of the 8 newcomers among other items(Matt Swaback-new graduate assistant and exhibition game with Rider-1 month today).

Message to all you Scranton homers that are romancing over a D-III roster. I'm glad I don't have your nerves in my teeth ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 03, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: cold_case on October 03, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 03, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
  For those who don't subscribe to Scranton press releases, there is a 2nd one today with a link to the men's bball monthly(in-season) newsletter with a paragraph about each of the 8 newcomers among other items(Matt Swaback-new graduate assistant and exhibition game with Rider-1 month today).

Message to all you Scranton homers that are romancing over a D-III roster. I'm glad I don't have your nerves in my teeth ...


Care to translate?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 03, 2012, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 03, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
   There's a release today from Scranton's SID on the passing of Royals' great Willie Witaconis. Coach Bessoir listed him as 1 of top 5(along with Ed Kazakevich, Gene the machine Mumford, Irv Johnson, and Billy Bessoir) all-time Royals bballers. Having seen all 5, I can agree with his list and would put Willie #1. The year I played with the freshman team was Willie's fabulous junior year(27 ppg, 16 rpg), so I had a front row seat(emphasis on seat) daily watching how he dominated the opposition, which, considering their quality(8 D1 programs) puts him at the top.
    His greatest attribute was a Will and intensity at a level only achieved by his high school teammate, Steve Vacendak.   


I always thought Gene the Machine was #1. Ronk, Scranton basketball also has its own twitter feed now...releases some info and behind the scene stuff...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 13, 2012, 06:55:11 AM
Scranton fans thought you might be interested in this:
http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322 (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 14, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 13, 2012, 06:55:11 AM
Scranton fans thought you might be interested in this:
http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322 (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322)

I thought the Farrell kid from Scranton was among the best in his region...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 16, 2012, 09:19:23 AM
Thanks Mailsy.


CC,


Can you give me anything on the Royals new big man and what happened with Bevacqua?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 16, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
NEPA:
One thing I noticed, if the short bio information is correct, the transfer 6'8' player is 26 years old!
Can't wait to get Paul Harvey's take on the rest of that story.  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 16, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 16, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
NEPA:
One thing I noticed, if the short bio information is correct, the transfer 6'8' player is 26 years old!
Can't wait to get Paul Harvey's take on the rest of that story.  ???

You knew he was in his mid-20's. I told NEPA, who I'm sure told you.

NEPA, I told you about Bevacqua.

On another note, the O's knocked on the door this year. Next year they will kick it in...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2012, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on October 16, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 16, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
NEPA:
One thing I noticed, if the short bio information is correct, the transfer 6'8' player is 26 years old!
Can't wait to get Paul Harvey's take on the rest of that story.  ???

You knew he was in his mid-20's. I told NEPA, who I'm sure told you.

NEPA, I told you about Bevacqua.

On another note, the O's knocked on the door this year. Next year they will kick it in...


I didn't pass that on to Saratoga. And you didn't tell me about Bevacqua. You are worse than a politician!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 17, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
CC:
Before you get your knickers all in a knot...
make sure those things you call facts are indeed, just that.
The only thing you're right about is the O's.
The Yard was unbelievable for the two games I saw against the Yanks.
Great to see orange everywhere in the park & throughout the city.
Almost as exciting & orange as a Susquehanna Homecoming.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 18, 2012, 12:20:35 PM
Don Friday to SU as an assistant coach? Another D-1 Coach joins the Landmark ranks....

Scranton ranked at #18, I'll take it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 19, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 01, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 01, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Just read the O's are banning folks from outside the area to buy tickets for the playoff game, to limit the New Yawkas from coming South...
Some of us Yank fans are already here. My 1st O's-Yanks game was in 1953, the year before Baltimore became Major League by taking the Browns franchise. My most recent was Yom Kippur nite a number of years ago when Cal Ripken broke his own streak by sitting out the game. Cal, I could have not seen you play by staying home instead of going to the park and not seeing you play.

ronk: I was there that night too! I remember the disbelief moving down my line of friends during warmups. *poke* "Hey, that's not #8 at third. Where's Cal? Did he move back to short? No? Holy...." (And yes, that was Ryan Minor.)

'toga, I'm disappointed I didn't get a chance to earn that bobblehead night. It would have to be Frank sans sport coat as I think no photographer has been quick enough to catch him with it on.  ;D

As for the O's, heckuva season. Nothing is more painful than losing to the stinkees, but considering where we thought the O's would be this year, it was an enjoyable run. Mr. TheGrove and I were in Baltimore yesterday visiting family and wandered past Camden Yards. Baby TheGrove's first visit, albeit in utero.  ;D We were talking about naming the baby after one of Orioles if they won the Series. Now my husband's hoping the Ravens can overcome injuries for a Super Bowl run (I'd wish similar for the Cowboys, but I just don't see it happening.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 20, 2012, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 19, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 01, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 01, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Just read the O's are banning folks from outside the area to buy tickets for the playoff game, to limit the New Yawkas from coming South...
Some of us Yank fans are already here. My 1st O's-Yanks game was in 1953, the year before Baltimore became Major League by taking the Browns franchise. My most recent was Yom Kippur nite a number of years ago when Cal Ripken broke his own streak by sitting out the game. Cal, I could have not seen you play by staying home instead of going to the park and not seeing you play.

ronk: I was there that night too! I remember the disbelief moving down my line of friends during warmups. *poke* "Hey, that's not #8 at third. Where's Cal? Did he move back to short? No? Holy...." (And yes, that was Ryan Minor.)

'toga, I'm disappointed I didn't get a chance to earn that bobblehead night. It would have to be Frank sans sport coat as I think no photographer has been quick enough to catch him with it on.  ;D

As for the O's, heckuva season. Nothing is more painful than losing to the stinkees, but considering where we thought the O's would be this year, it was an enjoyable run. Mr. TheGrove and I were in Baltimore yesterday visiting family and wandered past Camden Yards. Baby TheGrove's first visit, albeit in utero.  ;D We were talking about naming the baby after one of Orioles if they won the Series. Now my husband's hoping the Ravens can overcome injuries for a Super Bowl run (I'd wish similar for the Cowboys, but I just don't see it happening.)

ronk: You were at an O's-Yankees game in 1953 before they moved to Baltimore? Interesting...

Grove: Painful? Not at all. Annoying that the calls went the Yanks way AGAIN? Certainly. What pissed me off was watching them play with no heart against Detroit. They are one gutless team...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 20, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
TheGrove:


Congrats on the little one. Please send me your address so I can send you a Scranton onesie. Your husband will like it, purple just like the Ravens.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 21, 2012, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 02, 2012, 06:30:37 PM
NEPA: The wait is over.
Scranton announces its 2012/2013 roster today.
The big kid from Vermont must have taken a wrong turn heading down the thruway...must have gotten off at Saratoga.
Perhaps some day he'll meet up with the wandering Wilkes recruit from The College of Charleston...circa 1997.

Tim Rensch? Is that the kid that took the wrong turn? Well he obviously found the Mulberry Street campus...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 22, 2012, 12:35:12 PM
How is that obvious?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 22, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
CC:
I'm a little confused with the obviousness of the statement.
If he's there, has he decided against playing basketball?
Just wondering how it's obvious he's on campus when his name is absent from the roster?
Please enlighten those of us that have been searching the woods for him between Lake Champlain & Oneonta.  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 22, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 20, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
TheGrove:


Congrats on the little one. Please send me your address so I can send you a Scranton onesie. Your husband will like it, purple just like the Ravens.

You'll never lure me to the dark side, NEPA!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 23, 2012, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: saratoga on October 22, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
CC:
I'm a little confused with the obviousness of the statement.
If he's there, has he decided against playing basketball?
Just wondering how it's obvious he's on campus when his name is absent from the roster?
Please enlighten those of us that have been searching the woods for him between Lake Champlain & Oneonta.  ???

Because he's not on a roster doesn't mean the kid is not on campus, does it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 23, 2012, 12:45:14 PM
CC:
I'm still somewhat confused by your statement "well he obviously found the Mulberry street campus".
I still think the quick & dirty definition of obvious is, easy to see or understand.
I'm not getting how this kids current location would be obvious to any of us if he's not listed on the roster...especially given he was reported to be a high profile recruit.
That's why I asked, has he decided against playing basketball?
Any chance you can make the obvious... more obvious?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 23, 2012, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 23, 2012, 12:45:14 PM
CC:
I'm still somewhat confused by your statement "well he obviously found the Mulberry street campus".
I still think the quick & dirty definition of obvious is, easy to see or understand.
I'm not getting how this kids current location would be obvious to any of us if he's not listed on the roster...especially given he was reported to be a high profile recruit.
That's why I asked, has he decided against playing basketball?
Any chance you can make the obvious... more obvious?

Obviously ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 23, 2012, 07:12:59 PM
All I said was he obviously found the Scranton campus. Why are you and NEPATool having problems with OBVIOUS?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 24, 2012, 09:29:39 AM
Cold Case,

Your posts make Augie's 3am posts seems logical. It may be obvious to you, but not obvious to us since we don't have inside information.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 24, 2012, 09:56:25 AM
  I understand that Tim Rensch plays baseball, also; maybe he's @ Scranton as a baseball student/athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 24, 2012, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 24, 2012, 09:29:39 AM
Cold Case,

Your posts make Augie's 3am posts seems logical. It may be obvious to you, but not obvious to us since we don't have inside information.

Obviously killing my karma will obviously make it a dry info season...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2012, 08:26:46 AM
Stay safe all ! Keep dry and get those scouting reports up to date for the upcoming season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
  Here's the 1st scouting report: Catholic's roster is up - 10 frosh, including a 7' er; at least he's not the xfer I thought possible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 29, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
Susquehanna closed at 2 p.m. Susquehanna NEVER closes. The apocalypse is upon us.  :)

In terms of a scouting report, the Garrett Sports Complex is closed as well so I guess that means the Crusaders lose a day of practice. Haven't seen a roster yet.

Everyone stay safe out there. Never thought I'd have to worry about a hurricane in Central PA, much less NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 29, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
Susquehanna closed at 2 p.m. Susquehanna NEVER closes. The apocalypse is upon us.  :)

In terms of a scouting report, the Garrett Sports Complex is closed as well so I guess that means the Crusaders lose a day of practice. Haven't seen a roster yet.

Everyone stay safe out there. Never thought I'd have to worry about a hurricane in Central PA, much less NEPA.

  Hurricane Agnes(1972) and the Susquehanna RIVER flooded my parent's basement in Harrisburg area after days of rain. Susquehanna U was not involved ;). Just visited the headwaters of the river in Cooperstown on Friday; things were serene at that time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 29, 2012, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 29, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
Susquehanna closed at 2 p.m. Susquehanna NEVER closes. The apocalypse is upon us.  :)

In terms of a scouting report, the Garrett Sports Complex is closed as well so I guess that means the Crusaders lose a day of practice. Haven't seen a roster yet.

Everyone stay safe out there. Never thought I'd have to worry about a hurricane in Central PA, much less NEPA.

  Hurricane Agnes(1972) and the Susquehanna RIVER flooded my parent's basement in Harrisburg area after days of rain. Susquehanna U was not involved ;). Just visited the headwaters of the river in Cooperstown on Friday; things were serene at that time.

I stand corrected. (I am well-versed in Agnes lore, as my dad lived in the Harrisburg area at the time.) Guess I meant more of the full effects of a hurricane rather than the massive rain dump. The Susquehanna River isn't likely too flood. Wind's going to be the big trouble. It's kicking up up here "troo da notch."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
  Here's the 1st scouting report: Catholic's roster is up - 10 frosh, including a 7' er; at least he's not the xfer I thought possible.


Sorry did you say 7'er? Yikes.


Where you expecting a College of Charleston transfer as well?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
  Here's the 1st scouting report: Catholic's roster is up - 10 frosh, including a 7' er; at least he's not the xfer I thought possible.


Sorry did you say 7'er? Yikes.


Where you expecting a College of Charleston transfer as well?

  There was a posssibility of a NEPA D1 player xfering within the Mid-Atlantic area; he's no longer on the D1 roster, but I don't know if he xferred or just isn't playing at the D1 school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 31, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
Susquehanna's roster is up; saw a 6-6 and a 6-7 freshman on there. Team seems fairly senior-heavy. I have no other wisdom to offer.

Everyone survive Sandy OK? I'm guessing the silence means some of you lost power.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2012, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on October 31, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
Susquehanna's roster is up; saw a 6-6 and a 6-7 freshman on there. Team seems fairly senior-heavy. I have no other wisdom to offer.

Everyone survive Sandy OK? I'm guessing the silence means some of you lost power.  ;)
I believe Hedley played with McGugan at Blake High School, a couple of miles from me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 01, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 31, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
  Here's the 1st scouting report: Catholic's roster is up - 10 frosh, including a 7' er; at least he's not the xfer I thought possible.


Sorry did you say 7'er? Yikes.


Where you expecting a College of Charleston transfer as well?

  There was a posssibility of a NEPA D1 player xfering within the Mid-Atlantic area; he's no longer on the D1 roster, but I don't know if he xferred or just isn't playing at the D1 school.

Peter Alexis is at U of Philly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Starting 5 at Rider

Farrell
Lavelle
Danzig
Barr
Boken (Freshman)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2012, 02:41:48 PM
 What about Tommy Morgan?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 01, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 31, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
  Here's the 1st scouting report: Catholic's roster is up - 10 frosh, including a 7' er; at least he's not the xfer I thought possible.


Sorry did you say 7'er? Yikes.


Where you expecting a College of Charleston transfer as well?

  There was a posssibility of a NEPA D1 player xfering within the Mid-Atlantic area; he's no longer on the D1 roster, but I don't know if he xferred or just isn't playing at the D1 school.

Peter Alexis is at U of Philly.

Thanks, that's to whom I was referring. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
I am assuming/hoping it is just a preseason ding or nick and nothing serious. Not sure.  Dean is calling the game over the radio and online.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 02, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
It would appear the Royals may be out-rebounded by 50 in this one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
Landmark doubleheader today:

Catholic -GW(now) video/audio/ls
Scranton-Rider  4pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 03, 2012, 04:01:23 PM
Oh how I have missed Dean Corwin! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 04, 2012, 01:56:41 AM
Susquehanna opens the season (on Nov. 3?!) at D1 Binghamton, loses 63-46. That's all I know, no box score or other details posted.

I would have gone; I just didn't realize it was THIS early. I'm still in football mode.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 04, 2012, 05:33:24 PM
BU was 2-29 last year but you would still think they should be able to put it on a D3 team from a size, speed and athletic standpoint. Great for SU and D3hoops!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 04, 2012, 01:56:41 AM
Susquehanna opens the season (on Nov. 3?!) at D1 Binghamton, loses 63-46. That's all I know, no box score or other details posted.

I would have gone; I just didn't realize it was THIS early. I'm still in football mode.
Well the game doesn't count... so not sure if their season has actually "opened" :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 05, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
The Royals hang tough with DI Rider, 76-59.
Rebound differential was not that lop-sided.
Somewhat ironic though that the smallest player on the Royals roster (who may have the biggest heart), led the team in rebounds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2012, 01:22:30 PM
  As a former benchwarmer, I would have liked to have seen everyone play at least 4 mins; Catholic was worse-5 starters played 79% of mins.  Royals' men's soccer gets at-large berth in NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.


Ronk when is the last time Mens Soccer made the tourney? The Reagan era? They lost a heartbreaker to Grove's team yesterday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2012, 11:44:05 AM
Maybe he will get the start against Newman (!).


Heard on the broadcast that was their next pre-season opponent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 06, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool

And you wonder why your karma fluctuates?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 06, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 06, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool

And you wonder why your karma fluctuates?  :)

Seems to drop when you appear.  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 07, 2012, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 06, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 06, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool

And you wonder why your karma fluctuates?  :)

Seems to drop when you appear.  8-)

It will now!  I'll give it back when you say something witty.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 07, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 07, 2012, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 06, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 06, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool

And you wonder why your karma fluctuates?  :)

Seems to drop when you appear.  8-)

It will now!  I'll give it back when you say something witty.


Ohhhhhh. You're judge, jury and executioner? Cool....
You have a short memory as well. Remember your PAC days when I was the only media guy that came out to cover your mens cagers? Heck, I even paid your women's soccer team a couple visits.
BTW, I'm not out of the business, just in a much better place, thank you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 07, 2012, 04:05:04 PM
Not really OT but very powerful stuff ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yb0CR1dqNZY
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 07, 2012, 09:15:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 07, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 07, 2012, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 06, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 06, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
And that result was without Morgan, or Cold_Case's secret PG weapon.

Yeah, that's it, I made him up....What a tool

And you wonder why your karma fluctuates?  :)

Seems to drop when you appear.  8-)

It will now!  I'll give it back when you say something witty.


Ohhhhhh. You're judge, jury and executioner? Cool....
You have a short memory as well. Remember your PAC days when I was the only media guy that came out to cover your mens cagers? Heck, I even paid your women's soccer team a couple visits.
BTW, I'm not out of the business, just in a much better place, thank you!

Is this Matt Engel?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 08, 2012, 09:59:25 AM
That's a shot. You know who it is....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 08, 2012, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 08, 2012, 09:59:25 AM
That's a shot. You know who it is....

Now my karma is dropping.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 08, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
Don't look at me... >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 10, 2012, 01:47:36 PM
Susquehanna hoops is on Twitter now: www.twitter.com/susquhoops. I'm sure it will be rife with scoop.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 12, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Games start in 4 days. You think we could get a Pre-Season poll?


Congrats to Scranton and Susquehanna Soccer teams on the Sweet 16!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 14, 2012, 10:41:35 AM
Welcome to the season everyone!

Sorry to have been away so long ... I was waiting for the first frost, which hit my town today, so here I am!

Cabrini is probably a bit high in the pre-season given the loss of a POY candidate (Lemons) and the ROY (Walton-Moss) as well as solid contributor to the team (Boyd).

Last year's team was built for the playoff run.  Once again, mid-year transfers may have some affect on the second half of the season. 

The real question mark for me is PG play. Lemons was such a special player at this level that his loss is the hardest to fill. 

Everyone enjoy!

C
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 14, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
Well wrong conference there - not sure how I ended up here instead of CSAC, but hello to you all as well!!!

C
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: Coach C on November 14, 2012, 10:41:35 AM
Welcome to the season everyone!

Sorry to have been away so long ... I was waiting for the first frost, which hit my town today, so here I am!

Cabrini is probably a bit high in the pre-season given the loss of a POY candidate (Lemons) and the ROY (Walton-Moss) as well as solid contributor to the team (Boyd).

Last year's team was built for the playoff run.  Once again, mid-year transfers may have some affect on the second half of the season. 

The real question mark for me is PG play. Lemons was such a special player at this level that his loss is the hardest to fill. 

Everyone enjoy!

C

Why aren't the POY and ROY with the team anymore or do we already know?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2012, 02:35:02 PM
Cory Lemons (POY candidate and first team All-American) graduated and Aaron Walton Moss (Rookie of the Year) didn't return to the program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2012, 02:38:22 PM
I thought Lemons was just a junior?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 14, 2012, 02:35:02 PM
Cory Lemons (POY candidate and first team All-American) graduated and Aaron Walton Moss (Rookie of the Year) didn't return to the program.

No surprise on Moss. There were questions on the Cabrini board about him last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
But Gordon "Manfred" Mann's Earthband said "he" chose not to return.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Yeah, to be clear on Moss, I don't know his story at all.  I spent some time last night trying to find something on Google (like signs that he transferred elsewhere).  I found nothing.  Maybe it wasn't his decision.  I didn't mean to imply I had special knowledge.

Though I am occasionally blinded by the light...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 14, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
+1 to "bode a ya" for the Manfred Mann references - though the Mighty Quinn is my favorite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2012, 08:48:07 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 14, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
+1 to "bode a ya" for the Manfred Mann references - though the Mighty Quinn is my favorite.

Remember the tune Pictures of Match Men by Status Quo? Two members later joined Manfred Mann. Note all three songs sound alike...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
As the season is ready to tip-off, please keep Goucher's Damon Brooks in your thoughts and prayers, if you so choose. He has been a fighter, but that doesn't mean it will be easy - despite the fact he says he is excited to see basketball being played once again.

www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball (http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2012, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
As the season is ready to tip-off, please keep Goucher's Damon Brooks in your thoughts and prayers, if you so choose. He has been a fighter, but that doesn't mean it will be easy - despite the fact he says he is excited to see basketball being played once again.

www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball (http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball)

Will do, most certainly...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 14, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Yeah, to be clear on Moss, I don't know his story at all.  I spent some time last night trying to find something on Google (like signs that he transferred elsewhere).  I found nothing.  Maybe it wasn't his decision.  I didn't mean to imply I had special knowledge.

Though I am occasionally blinded by the light...

When we released our preseason poll, an apparent relative of the Cabrini coach insisted that he was coming back at midseason, but I won't count on that until we see him in action.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 15, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
A Pat Coleman sighting... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2012, 02:29:18 PM
Morgan out till December with a hand injury. Scranton with early games against Miseri and Cabrini, should be early tests.

Starting Five Tomorrow Night:


Lavelle
Barr
Farrell
Danzig
Boken ( Fr)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2012, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2012, 02:29:18 PM
Morgan out till December with a hand injury. Scranton with early games against Miseri and Cabrini, should be early tests.

Starting Five Tomorrow Night:


Lavelle
Barr
Farrell
Danzig
Boken ( Fr)

Pallotta also out til December with a thumb injury; were they wrist-wrestling? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 15, 2012, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
As the season is ready to tip-off, please keep Goucher's Damon Brooks in your thoughts and prayers, if you so choose. He has been a fighter, but that doesn't mean it will be easy - despite the fact he says he is excited to see basketball being played once again.

www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball (http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball)

Saw that posted the other day. Certainly keeping him in my thoughts and wishing him all the best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Nice & convenient that Walton-Moss shows up for the second semester stretch run last season then disappears as fast as he can.
When junk like this happens, if the student made no effort academically, then all games he appeared in should be forfeited.
Not sure what the reason is for his departure...I can only hope he wasn't a hired gun.
That whole story last year of his "chance" pickup game that the coach just happened to witness smelled like a 10 day old crab cake back then.
Sorry, kids that show up on doorsteps mid-semester then are not around the following year can only leave you wondering how sincere the school is in retaining & supporting the long term needs of the non-traditional kids they are bringing in for what appears to be purely athletic reasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 16, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 15, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Nice & convenient that Walton-Moss shows up for the second semester stretch run last season then disappears as fast as he can.
When junk like this happens, if the student made no effort academically, then all games he appeared in should be forfeited.
Not sure what the reason is for his departure...I can only hope he wasn't a hired gun.
That whole story last year of his "chance" pickup game that the coach just happened to witness smelled like a 10 day old crab cake back then.
Sorry, kids that show up on doorsteps mid-semester then are not around the following year can only leave you wondering how sincere the school is in retaining & supporting the long term needs of the non-traditional kids they are bringing in for what appears to be purely athletic reasons.

He didn't disappear and you don't know what you're talking about. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 16, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 16, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 15, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Nice & convenient that Walton-Moss shows up for the second semester stretch run last season then disappears as fast as he can.
When junk like this happens, if the student made no effort academically, then all games he appeared in should be forfeited.
Not sure what the reason is for his departure...I can only hope he wasn't a hired gun.
That whole story last year of his "chance" pickup game that the coach just happened to witness smelled like a 10 day old crab cake back then.
Sorry, kids that show up on doorsteps mid-semester then are not around the following year can only leave you wondering how sincere the school is in retaining & supporting the long term needs of the non-traditional kids they are bringing in for what appears to be purely athletic reasons.

He didn't disappear and you don't know what you're talking about.

I'd say the chances are about 95% that he does. Saratoga has been around as long as myself and has seen the same movie hundreds of times...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 16, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
According to Scranton's flawless website, they lost to Oneonta State, 70-55, but beat Baruch and then Baruch beat York but Scranton leads Juniata by four points late......You try to figure it out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 16, 2012, 09:16:11 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 16, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
According to Scranton's flawless website, they lost to Oneonta State, 70-55, but beat Baruch and then Baruch beat York but Scranton leads Juniata by four points late......You try to figure it out.

Do what now?

Update from the Susquehanna Tip-Off Tournament: "Halftime at Houts Gymnasium, SU leads Penn College 54-15; Luke Cable and J.T. Wilson lead the team with nine points each."

Kings won game 1 and gets... well, likely Susquehanna in the championship tomorrow.

EDIT: Yup, it's a final... 104-50 SU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 16, 2012, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 16, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 16, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 15, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Nice & convenient that Walton-Moss shows up for the second semester stretch run last season then disappears as fast as he can.
When junk like this happens, if the student made no effort academically, then all games he appeared in should be forfeited.
Not sure what the reason is for his departure...I can only hope he wasn't a hired gun.
That whole story last year of his "chance" pickup game that the coach just happened to witness smelled like a 10 day old crab cake back then.
Sorry, kids that show up on doorsteps mid-semester then are not around the following year can only leave you wondering how sincere the school is in retaining & supporting the long term needs of the non-traditional kids they are bringing in for what appears to be purely athletic reasons.


He didn't disappear and you don't know what you're talking about.

I'd say the chances are about 95% that he does. Saratoga has been around as long as myself and has seen the same movie hundreds of times...

Well in this case he doesn't.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2012, 08:46:06 PM
Read what I said.
If you have an update on why he's not playing, please enlighten.
As I stated, I hope he wasn't brought in for the wrong reasons & I hope the school was there for him with whatever accommodations he might have needed.
One semester players that disappear tend to raise questions.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 18, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
I will interrupt the PA focus to note that Catholic is off to one heck of a great start.  They beat #16 Translyvania and #19 St. Mary's on back to back nights by 26 and 13 points, respectively.  The defense has been outstanding.  I saw the CUA-George Washington exhibition (the Mike Lonergan reunion) and even in that game I was really impressed with the defense (they held GW to 72 points and 46% shooting, which was pretty good considering how much size they were giving up). We'll see what happens but it should be an interesting season.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
Matt... I was hoping I didn't have to start the conversation about Catholic in this room (ask ronk :))... but they have been very impressive here at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic... also considering two of their top guys are not playing right now.

I don't have a ton of time to talk about it now, but there are many people from many teams who have walked away thinking CUA could have a great year if they can keep up the momentum from this weekend. I can't say I am not one of them. I had CUA in my Top 40 in the preseason, but had questions I needed answered... some of them have been answered.

This conference I think just got a whole lot better with the respect Scranton earned at the end of last season along with the likes of Susquehanna, Drew, and even Moravian and Juniata... this could be a very interesting year in the Landmark - now if only the conference switched to 8-teams in the conf. tourney... they switched the schedule to mid-week games... what could possibly be the excuse?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2012, 03:48:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
Matt... I was hoping I didn't have to start the conversation about Catholic in this room (ask ronk :))... but they have been very impressive here at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic... also considering two of their top guys are not playing right now.
I don't have a ton of time to talk about it now, but there are many people from many teams who have walked away thinking CUA could have a great year if they can keep up the momentum from this weekend. I can't say I am not one of them. I had CUA in my Top 40 in the preseason, but had questions I needed answered... some of them have been answered.

This conference I think just got a whole lot better with the respect Scranton earned at the end of last season along with the likes of Susquehanna, Drew, and even Moravian and Juniata... this could be a very interesting year in the Landmark - now if only the conference switched to 8-teams in the conf. tourney... they switched the schedule to mid-week games... what could possibly be the excuse?

Who would they be? Kearney,Holmes,Limberiou,Koenig,Schramm,Eliot are playing; who's left?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2012, 04:16:12 PM
I mistyped when saying top... but Coach Howes was clear they have two important players that come off the bench not playing right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2012, 07:02:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 17, 2012, 08:46:06 PM
Read what I said.
If you have an update on why he's not playing, please enlighten.
As I stated, I hope he wasn't brought in for the wrong reasons & I hope the school was there for him with whatever accommodations he might have needed.
One semester players that disappear tend to raise questions.

He is actually taking classes this semester at Cabrini and the school and the coaching staff are there for him. The young man has a child that he is taking care of and working on getting his grades to the point that he can play. So I'd like to put it to rest until something else changes. Thanks saratoga.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
  Royals had 2 nice wins in their own tourney over Oneonta St and Baruch. However, with only 2 returning starters(a 3rd is on the injured list), the offensive cohesion is nowhere as good as last season. Understandable! It will be a work in progress with the new rotation players and the return of Tommy Morgan. The 2 new post players are sharing the position. They're the only ones of the large incoming class to get minutes, so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2012, 07:37:03 AM
I believe at least one other Royal in addition to Morgan was in street clothes, but couldn't tell who it was from the photos.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 19, 2012, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2012, 07:37:03 AM
I believe at least one other Royal in addition to Morgan was in street clothes, but couldn't tell who it was from the photos.

Photos? What, is this Kentucky, UCLA, UNC? The other street clothed youngster is Cooke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
Relax. There were photos on the website.

Hopefully Cooke will be back just as soon as Morgan.


I am glad to see Matt L. back.

Grove- Did you see the Kings-SU game? Looked like a football score!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 19, 2012, 10:47:40 AM
a feel good moment to start the season. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 20, 2012, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
Grove- Did you see the Kings-SU game? Looked like a football score!

Saw the score, not the game. Missed my first Tip-Off Tourney in 8 years. Clearly they missed my good mojo.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
Mailsy:
Glad to hear he's back in school & the college is working with him.
Some kids never get that second chance at doing it right...nice to hear he's taking advantage of his opportunity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2012, 08:48:05 AM
Scranton was down by 13 at the break and looked dead in the water. But they came out on fire in the second half and ended up pulling out the victory in Dallas.

Miseri always has given Scranton trouble so this was a good win on the road against a tough opponent.

Cabrini next week at the Long Center in a bit of a revenge game.

Happy Thanksgiving to all ( I'll be giving out free Karma points!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 21, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2012, 08:48:05 AM
Scranton was down by 13 at the break and looked dead in the water. But they came out on fire in the second half and ended up pulling out the victory in Dallas.

Miseri always has given Scranton trouble so this was a good win on the road against a tough opponent.

Cabrini next week at the Long Center in a bit of a revenge game.

Happy Thanksgiving to all ( I'll be giving out free Karma points!)

How about the game stream? The best I've seen since the inception of this. Felt like I was on the court, really close to the action and it was super clear.
Only thing is the lefthander has to instruct the camera person as to where the scoreboard is located. They have to flash the camera that way so we can see what's up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 21, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 21, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
How about the game stream? The best I've seen since the inception of this. Felt like I was on the court, really close to the action and it was super clear.
Only thing is the lefthander has to instruct the camera person as to where the scoreboard is located. They have to flash the camera that way so we can see what's up.

Good to know that the video was appreciated.  There is also an audio link or you could toggle to the live stats tab for the score.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
I tried to listen to the men's game while heading to the Lady Royal's game last evening.
The voice of the Royal's sounded like he was broadcasting from inside a submerged submarine somewhere near Bikini Bottom.
That station needs a serious overhaul.
One of these days the kids back in the control room are going to cause Dean to go postal!   ;)
Nice to hear the Miseri side of things went well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 21, 2012, 11:55:27 AM
I like SpongeBob... 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
 I thought Dean said on the broadcast last nite that Morgan had a broken hand and that the cast was recently removed, but he didnt say whether it was his shooting hand or not. Wasn't sure I heard clearly cause I was watching the Lady Royals at the same time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2012, 12:47:39 PM
Scranton vs. Cabrini tomorrow night. Can Scranton get a bit of revenge here?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 26, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2012, 12:47:39 PM
Scranton vs. Cabrini tomorrow night. Can Scranton get a bit of revenge here?

Better yet. Can you post something relevant?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2012, 04:29:23 PM
I just dinged your Karma. So you don't have to ask.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 26, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2012, 04:29:23 PM
I just dinged your Karma. So you don't have to ask.

Can you post something relevant?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 26, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Very nice to see two 3-0 Landmark teams in the Top #15. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
I didn't know winning the Hoopsville tourney carries that much clout. I mean, a team goes from unranked to a top 15? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.

So if, say, Scranton or someone knocks off two D-I's, they jump to first?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 12:38:53 PM
Who is this magic squad that Catholic has hidden on their bench?


The 7 footer Jack Taylor, not to be confused with Grinnel's Jack Taylor?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:46:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 12:38:53 PM
Who is this magic squad that Catholic has hidden on their bench?


The 7 footer Jack Taylor, not to be confused with Grinnel's Jack Taylor?

Just shaking my head with a grin at the "rankings."
CUA beats two supposed top teams and earns a ranking. OK, fair enough. Then last night they have to hold off 1-4 Haverford. Normal rankings would have them falling. Normal rankings....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.

So if, say, Scranton or someone knocks off two D-I's, they jump to first?

Uh... probably... Scranton is in the Top 25... why are you so worried... is it BAD to have two Landmark teams in the Top 25? I had Scranton in my Top 25 in the preseason and I had Catholic in my Top 40, just had some questions that kept me from including them (you can ask others, I have had CUA on my radar all off-season). CUA goes and beats Transylvania and St. Mary's rather handily... including monster runs like 43-13 on SMC... and had everyone at the classic talking about how they were the best there and the fact there were probably four Top 25 teams at the classic. So why should CUA NOT get any love and move high in the Top 25?

By the way, last night's game had nothing to do with the rankings. We did our polls yesterday before a 3 PM deadline (though some pollsters were a bit late). The data was through Sunday's games. And if you are going to play the game with who they beat last... Virginia Wesleyan held off 0-3 Methodist to win by eight... should they fall from #2? CUA had over a week off between games... I can expect a little lull... just like I expect all teams to have games where they struggle during the season.

You are all acting like Scranton should be the only team ranked and that the rest of the conference should just lay at the Royals feet... come on! You should be thrilled that CUA is getting attention... it actually makes the conference look better than it has in the last five years! Embrace it guys!

And I don't know who Coach Howes was alluding to that is "missing"... he threw it at me during my Coach's Corner with him and I didn't have the time or the reaction time to press him on it.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Cold Case,


What is this UCLA, Kentucky and Division 1 where we have instant rankings?

You know better than that!


Dave- Issue, Scranton beating Middlebury at Middlebury makes the conference look the best it has in the past 5 years. The conference should be laying at the Royals feet since they have DOMINATED the league since inception.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2012, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.

So if, say, Scranton or someone knocks off two D-I's, they jump to first?

Uh... probably... Scranton is in the Top 25... why are you so worried... is it BAD to have two Landmark teams in the Top 25? I had Scranton in my Top 25 in the preseason and I had Catholic in my Top 40, just had some questions that kept me from including them (you can ask others, I have had CUA on my radar all off-season). CUA goes and beats Transylvania and St. Mary's rather handily... including monster runs like 43-13 on SMC... and had everyone at the classic talking about how they were the best there and the fact there were probably four Top 25 teams at the classic. So why should CUA NOT get any love and move high in the Top 25?

By the way, last night's game had nothing to do with the rankings. We did our polls yesterday before a 3 PM deadline (though some pollsters were a bit late). The data was through Sunday's games. And if you are going to play the game with who they beat last... Virginia Wesleyan held off 0-3 Methodist to win by eight... should they fall from #2? CUA had over a week off between games... I can expect a little lull... just like I expect all teams to have games where they struggle during the season.

You are all acting like Scranton should be the only team ranked and that the rest of the conference should just lay at the Royals feet... come on! You should be thrilled that CUA is getting attention... it actually makes the conference look better than it has in the last five years! Embrace it guys!

And I don't know who Coach Howes was alluding to that is "missing"... he threw it at me during my Coach's Corner with him and I didn't have the time or the reaction time to press him on it.

Dave -- it isn't worth answering this guy if he can't read a "through games of" line on a poll or understand the concept of a classic vs. a tournament bracket. He just wants to bitch.

Seriously. Stop feeding the troll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 27, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
I did watch the interview that Dave did with Steve Howes (which was a very nice addition to the tournament for all the teams) and he made the point that Scranton's run last year was very good for the conference--it helped put them on the map.

Time will tell how good the conference is this year and how good Catholic and Scranton are, but regardless, it is a good thing for everyone to have to teams currently ranked in the Top #15.

I didn't see any of the Haverford game, but clearly Haverford got hot from 3--they shot 58% (17 attempts) and were at home.  Catholic just began a stretch where they are playing 5 out of 6 on the road.

Sometimes, about the only place where you wouldn't know that Scranton has been outstanding over the last few years has been this Board. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on November 27, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 27, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
I did watch the interview that Dave did with Steve Howes (which was a very nice addition to the tournament for all the teams) and he made the point that Scranton's run last year was very good for the conference--it helped put them on the map.

Time will tell how good the conference is this year and how good Catholic and Scranton are, but regardless, it is a good thing for everyone to have to teams currently ranked in the Top #15.

I didn't see any of the Haverford game, but clearly Haverford got hot from 3--they shot 58% (17 attempts) and were at home.  Catholic just began a stretch where they are playing 5 out of 6 on the road.

Sometimes, about the only place where you wouldn't know that Scranton has been outstanding over the last few years has been this Board.

At one point I think Haverford was 10 of 15 from behind the arc. They were shooting great all night. They have a good team that will win alot of games this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.

So if, say, Scranton or someone knocks off two D-I's, they jump to first?

Uh... probably... Scranton is in the Top 25... why are you so worried... is it BAD to have two Landmark teams in the Top 25? I had Scranton in my Top 25 in the preseason and I had Catholic in my Top 40, just had some questions that kept me from including them (you can ask others, I have had CUA on my radar all off-season). CUA goes and beats Transylvania and St. Mary's rather handily... including monster runs like 43-13 on SMC... and had everyone at the classic talking about how they were the best there and the fact there were probably four Top 25 teams at the classic. So why should CUA NOT get any love and move high in the Top 25?

By the way, last night's game had nothing to do with the rankings. We did our polls yesterday before a 3 PM deadline (though some pollsters were a bit late). The data was through Sunday's games. And if you are going to play the game with who they beat last... Virginia Wesleyan held off 0-3 Methodist to win by eight... should they fall from #2? CUA had over a week off between games... I can expect a little lull... just like I expect all teams to have games where they struggle during the season.

You are all acting like Scranton should be the only team ranked and that the rest of the conference should just lay at the Royals feet... come on! You should be thrilled that CUA is getting attention... it actually makes the conference look better than it has in the last five years! Embrace it guys!

And I don't know who Coach Howes was alluding to that is "missing"... he threw it at me during my Coach's Corner with him and I didn't have the time or the reaction time to press him on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 27, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
Well... there isn't any winners of a classic for starters... and when you beat two Top 25 teams... look really good doing it... and you apparently don't have your full compliment of players playing... I think that deserves plenty of Top 25 love.

So if, say, Scranton or someone knocks off two D-I's, they jump to first?

Uh... probably... Scranton is in the Top 25... why are you so worried... is it BAD to have two Landmark teams in the Top 25? I had Scranton in my Top 25 in the preseason and I had Catholic in my Top 40, just had some questions that kept me from including them (you can ask others, I have had CUA on my radar all off-season). CUA goes and beats Transylvania and St. Mary's rather handily... including monster runs like 43-13 on SMC... and had everyone at the classic talking about how they were the best there and the fact there were probably four Top 25 teams at the classic. So why should CUA NOT get any love and move high in the Top 25?

By the way, last night's game had nothing to do with the rankings. We did our polls yesterday before a 3 PM deadline (though some pollsters were a bit late). The data was through Sunday's games. And if you are going to play the game with who they beat last... Virginia Wesleyan held off 0-3 Methodist to win by eight... should they fall from #2? CUA had over a week off between games... I can expect a little lull... just like I expect all teams to have games where they struggle during the season.

You are all acting like Scranton should be the only team ranked and that the rest of the conference should just lay at the Royals feet... come on! You should be thrilled that CUA is getting attention... it actually makes the conference look better than it has in the last five years! Embrace it guys!

And I don't know who Coach Howes was alluding to that is "missing"... he threw it at me during my Coach's Corner with him and I didn't have the time or the reaction time to press him on it.

  Nobody has said that Scranton should be the only ranked Landmark team and cold case simply questioned them moving into the top 15, not that they should be unranked. I think it's good that we have 2 ranked teams at this point, pending tonite's top 25 clash with Cabrini and it would be better if Moravian, Susque, Juniata, and MMA could join them.
  Welcome back, Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 27, 2012, 03:05:48 PM

  Nobody has said that Scranton should be the only ranked Landmark team and cold case simply questioned them moving into the top 15, not that they should be unranked. I think it's good that we have 2 ranked teams at this point, pending tonite's top 25 clash with Cabrini and it would be better if Moravian, Susque, Juniata, and MMA could join them.
  Welcome back, Matt.

ronk, you are 100% correct. Never said anything regarding Scranton being the lone ranked team. That post was my point and only you picked up on it because you have nothing to hide, nor have a guilty conscience.
Reagardless, Dave knows where I'm coming from. The insult hurling person is wrong for doing that. Taking it personal? Why?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 27, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
according to wiki: "In Internet slang, a troll ( /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

I'm not really sure how CC's questioning of the rankings is any of those things.  Team jumps into top 15 because of one good week?  if thats possible, whats the point of even doing preseason rankings?  if CC missed the date published, fair enough.  But why call him names if its just a small mistake?

Now if you called him a troll simply to make reference to the greatest movie ever made, Troll 2, then thats a different story.  Regardless, should be a fun year with so many top Mid Atl teams!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on November 27, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
according to wiki: "In Internet slang, a troll ( /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

I'm not really sure how CC's questioning of the rankings is any of those things.  Team jumps into top 15 because of one good week?  if thats possible, whats the point of even doing preseason rankings?  if CC missed the date published, fair enough.  But why call him names if its just a small mistake?

Now if you called him a troll simply to make reference to the greatest movie ever made, Troll 2, then thats a different story.  Regardless, should be a fun year with so many top Mid Atl teams!

One applaud daily through the end of the season for being a person of substance, quality and gray matter...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
You don't hear Charles complaining about his Karma...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 27, 2012, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
You don't hear Charles complaining about his Karma...

.........and one K for you....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on November 27, 2012, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
You don't hear Charles complaining about his Karma...
It's so
pathetic....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 27, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
QuoteNow if you called him a troll simply to make reference to the greatest movie ever made, Troll 2, then thats a different story. 

Troll 2 is a chump movie.  Pure garbage.

PS - I don't really feel that way.  I know it's a cult classic.  I just wanted to see what it would look like if I trolled about Troll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
Couple of things.


Great comment Gordon. Post of the month, if not year!


The Royal-Cabrini game was back and forth. Cabrini has a great freshman and is a talented team. If Alton Moss shows up on the team again, look out.

Dean Corwin and Harry Dammer got lots of love on twitter last night and love that the audio is linked up with the video. Video is a bit grainy, but can't complain after the years without even live stats.

As Dean and Harry mentioned, the Royals need to get someone other than Ross Danzig going. Good to see Tommy Morgan getting his legs under him. I would also like to see a sharp shooter ( 3 pointers) emerge.

Grove's Susquehanna comes into town on Saturday Afternoon...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 28, 2012, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 27, 2012, 05:37:02 PM

PS - I don't really feel that way.  I know it's a cult classic.  I just wanted to see what it would look like if I trolled about Troll.

Gordon, have you seen Best Worst Movie, a documentary about Troll 2?  Its complete awesomeness!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 28, 2012, 09:47:28 AM
Gordon always adds the right stuff at the proper time ...

http://vedettesbritanniques.retrojeunesse60.com/ManfredMann2165.jpe
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
Onetinsoldier:

Yes, I did! I recently watched it on Netflix. I've never seen Troll 2, though, and I don't think I will, despite the very loyal following it has.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 28, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
Pat, I was sitting here, talking to some pals and it hit me. Do you know how much money you can make on this site if you and Dave didn't insult posters, use your anointing oils on Catholic after one week (that's called challenging the intelligence of us posters) and a few other things????
Seriously, this site could be a gold mine. But, like the late and legendary Johnny Unitas always lamented: "Coulda, woulda, shoulda."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
I think you overestimate the value of advertising on a message board, CC. Message board ads draw pretty much the lowest rates possible. And if we didn't make money the past seven years Catholic was unranked, I highly doubt they are connected.

The other 24 voters voted Catholic higher than I did -- and your bitterness is interesting, as others have noticed. I would bet most of our voters don't know where I went to school 20 years ago. And if they were "anointing" Catholic for something unearned, wouldn't they have given Catholic more than 11 points last year in the Top 25 last year when they started 10-1? But, see, they didn't, because our voters are capable of recognizing the value of beating a couple ranked teams versus beating 10 unranked ones.

Your worldview doesn't match the facts. And while I know you probably don't care, I'm sure there might be one or two posters here who don't know you well enough to know you are not credible, so I'm posting this to explain to them.

I don't even know what you're complaining about. Catholic is ranked below Scranton, and that's definitely appropriate. But your attempts to tie their ranking to my diploma are pretty ill-informed. If Catholic was going to get unfairly ranked by D3hoops.com, certainly that would have happened last year. But this is better for Scranton and better for the Landmark, so why are you crying about it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 28, 2012, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
Grove's Susquehanna comes into town on Saturday Afternoon...

And ironically, I'll be back in the 'grove that day! Figures.  :)

Guys, I don't want to seem Pollyannaish, but I don't get the griping over two Landmark teams being ranked, regardless of who they are. How many times have we griped about the conference not getting respect? Doesn't this mean we're getting there? Sure, it's early in the season, but I'll take any press for the Landmark we can get. I think it helps us all in the long run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on November 28, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
I honestly don't see the problem here.  If you beat two ranked teams early in the season and you're undefeated and you go from unranked to top 15, it's not a "huge jump," it's the voters realizing that they underestimated you in the preseason. 

Would anyone question Catholic's ranking if there hadn't been a preseason poll?  A preseason poll is based on last year, who returns this year, and, frankly, a lot of assumptions and guessing.  An early season poll still has elements of that, but it also has - you know - results to rely on.  As a voter in the women's poll, I have often made what some people might consider big drops or jumps in early season polls. Why? Because I give a fair amount of credence to games that have actually been played. Maybe, in the end, that small sample size becomes an aberration, but then that will be reflected in late-season and final polls.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
Pretty cool that CUA has Holden Kushner doing their color on their video stream. He is one of the mid day hosts on 106.7 sports radio in DC.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
Pretty cool that CUA has Holden Kushner doing their color on their video stream. He is one of the mid day hosts on 106.7 sports radio in DC.
NEPA,
  How'd u like the reffing? My buddy was 1 of them, but I didn't watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Eh, was half watching. Seemed like a lot of fouls called though.

Holden tweeted that there were more fans at the CUA game than the Wizards game! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2012, 12:41:47 AM
Why are you guys reading this message board instead of playing this game?

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/dikembe-mutombo-old-spice-game/

Go play it now!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Third day in a row I watched some D3hoops live video. This time it was F&M vs. Ursinus.


Malik Draper from Scranton is athletic and legit. Would have looked good in Purple.

F&M is good. Especially the forward with the long name.

I am going to try and have a life tonight so I don't think I will be watching 4 nights in a row.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
  NEPA,
      Take a break but remember the conference opener and Wall of Fame ceremony tomorrow afternoon
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2012, 11:40:53 PM
  With the new scheduling format starting tomorrow(no longer playing your former travel partner), the most interesting matchup is Juniata-Moravian. I expect the Greyhounds to prevail, but Juniata can show how much of a playoff contender they'll be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Ronk,

I'll take Juniata (-3). And yes I will be watching today at 4pm.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 01, 2012, 08:32:51 PM
I caught part of the second half on WQSU as I left the 'grove tonight. NEPAFAN, would love to hear your observations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2012, 10:15:45 PM
Grove,


Good conference game. SU has a good freshman forward who was scoring with ease. He should be in some battles with Scranton's Freshman Boken in the future. SU was pretty hot and hitting everything early. They also mentioned on the broadcast that one of SU players was still on the roster but studying abroad this semester (interesting). Sorry, but I am blanking on names this evening.

They also mentioned that SU has had trouble at the foul line but they looked good today.


Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2012, 01:33:37 AM
 Harley Sellinger(6-6) studying in Spain. Local guy Brandon Hedley looks like a factor in the Crusaders' backcourt.

About the Royals: Are the non-playing frosh being brought along very slowwwwwwly or are they all on the injured list? It was mentioned on the videocast that Tommy Morgan hurt his other hand/wrist in his brief return Tuesday after missing all the previous games with a wrist injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 02, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
Not surprising that there's a player abroad. Susquehanna instituted a study abroad/away requirement a couple years ago (the Global Opportunities - aka GO Program). There are some "GO Short" options over summer/spring/winter breaks, but they are limited. Some majors also require a semester abroad. This hits all our teams - I know at least one female swimmer abroad right now as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2012, 12:22:08 AM
Goucher has a similar program initiated a few years ago. Thus why their January term is actually far longer than when I was a student.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
Curious to Cold Case's take on the latest rankings.


Have the Royals ever been ranked this high?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
 Possibly, after they beat Ursinus in a sweet 16 NCAA game in 2003.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2012, 12:54:05 PM
Although the current ranking is nice, the season is still young my friends.
The rankings to get really excited about are the NCAA Regional ones.
They will eventually determine who gets to host & who's on the road.
Lots of basketball between now & then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on December 05, 2012, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
Curious to Cold Case's take on the latest rankings.


Have the Royals ever been ranked this high?
they shouldve been ranked this high at the end of last season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2012, 03:50:59 PM
Toga,

Agreed. Easy to trip up on any given night!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2012, 08:30:27 PM
Horrible game for the Royals. They lose to MMA, Farrell leaves on crutches and Danzig gets hurt. Tommy Morgan still out and the Royals struggled mightly shooting.


What did I miss?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2012, 11:01:33 PM
 So much for the theory that the road team would have a tough time winning the 2nd game on a weekend.
  What type of leg injury did Travis incur? I didn't get to watch til he had already been injured.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Ronk,

Hurt his ankle early on in the game. Came out after halftime on crutches. 2 of their best players hurt ( maybe 3 with Danzig) not good!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2012, 12:35:58 PM
Ugly game indeed!
Oh well, live by the 3, die by the 3.
The Royals had wide open shots all game...this had very little to do with the MMA defense as it did Scranton just chucking up brick after brick. Inside game was never established.
Personally, I've never seen them shoot this bad.
On the other hand, the Royals were getting picked off with great screens & MMA hit their shot's.
They'd drive & dish inside for east layups, drive & dish outside for open looks & one big kid is a slasher that had a nice 10 foot jumper.
Travis got hurt on a drive to the basket...there was contact & he twisted his ankle going down. Probably rolled it on one of the many feet in the general area.
Between missing T. Morgan all year & now Travis...only having 1 loss is pretty fortunate.
The Royals have much work ahead of them...almost got the feeling they thought they had this one won before it was played.
Brutal regional loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2012, 01:31:29 PM
When does Scranton publish the injury report?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
NEPA:
Their injury update hotline is at the same website as their recruiting updates.
www.non-existant/thanksfornothingroyals.edu    :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 11, 2012, 04:58:04 PM
 Maybe it's in the monthly issue of Royal News.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
Or......
The Christmas issue of Royal Pains.
That would be the one with Drs. Banas, Genco, Harray, & Cusano sipping champagne & toasting TV sensation & former Royal All American Jason Hoppy & the Housewives of NYC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on December 13, 2012, 05:44:45 AM
RIP Coach Seybold.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2012, 11:46:58 AM
 In the pregame notes for the Keystone game tomorrow, Travis is out but Tommy Morgan is back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2012, 10:02:27 AM
Good to hear. Hope it is enough to get by Keystone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 15, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Apologies for the off-topic post, but I figure you Royalites could help me out. :-) Does the U have an indoor track, and if so, do they open it for public use at all? I need to walk more, and it's getting a bit cold and messy out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
 Not aware of any; people down here in metro DC use the indoor shopping malls for their walking; don't know if there are any up there in the Electric City.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2012, 07:46:57 PM
Hate to say it but Marywood might be your best bet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2012, 10:09:16 AM
Scranton losses again. Farrell back after the holiday break most likely.


However, bigger things to think about than Basketball today. God Bless everyone affected by the tragedy in Conn.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Royals last week when they lost at home against MMA.
They lost arguably one of their top players to an ankle injury with about 5 minutes to go in the first half & he never came back.
In addition, they were already playing without probably their best all-around performer since the start of the season due to another injury.
However.......last night's loss has nothing to do with players out etc. etc.
It has everything to do with terrible foul shooting down the stretch, pathetic perimeter defense, the continuation of unforced turnovers, questionable shot selection & the lack of defensive changes in coverage.
In many respects, the Royals were once again out-hustled & certainly out-coached.
Losing one game at home, that will happen...losing back to back (when both were winnable), there's a problem.
The bright spots for the Royals was the inside play of freshman B. Bokan (absolutely wanted the ball at the end) & the play of T. Morgan in his first game back.
Losing two at home vs. very average teams will almost certainly cost the Royals at the end of the year if they were thinking home court in the NCAA's.
Then again, if the Royal's coach doesn't get his house in order, last years magical run through the tournament will be nothing more than a fleeting memory which, more than likely, won't be replayed again this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2012, 10:46:48 AM
NEPA:
Great point...at least the kids are playing.
We really should have a national day of mourning for those little children & their families.
This nonsense is truly out of control.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 17, 2012, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 16, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Royals last week when they lost at home against MMA.
They lost arguably one of their top players to an ankle injury with about 5 minutes to go in the first half & he never came back.
In addition, they were already playing without probably their best all-around performer since the start of the season due to another injury.
However.......last night's loss has nothing to do with players out etc. etc.
It has everything to do with terrible foul shooting down the stretch, pathetic perimeter defense, the continuation of unforced turnovers, questionable shot selection & the lack of defensive changes in coverage.
In many respects, the Royals were once again out-hustled & certainly out-coached.
Losing one game at home, that will happen...losing back to back (when both were winnable), there's a problem.
The bright spots for the Royals was the inside play of freshman B. Bokan (absolutely wanted the ball at the end) & the play of T. Morgan in his first game back.
Losing two at home vs. very average teams will almost certainly cost the Royals at the end of the year if they were thinking home court in the NCAA's.
Then again, if the Royal's coach doesn't get his house in order, last years magical run through the tournament will be nothing more than a fleeting memory which, more than likely, won't be replayed again this season.


What did Danzig say when you told him all this in person???

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 17, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2012, 07:46:57 PM
Hate to say it buy Marywood might be your best bet.

Nope, no luck there either. They do have a jogging track but their facilities are not open to the public. Checked Baptist Bible too, no indoor track. Guess I just have to shiver, or go to the mall. Thanks all for the help, though!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
He said not to worry...he had a lock on a point guard from Parkland.
Also said something about asking Canio to come out of retirement to work on their defense.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
Down 14 at the half to the other St. Joes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 18, 2012, 11:03:24 AM
Off-topic again, but I wanted to share these thoughts on the Newtown tragedy from the Times-Tribune's Mike Iorfino, who grew up there: http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/commentary-shooting-shatters-hometown-memories-1.1418060
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2012, 02:11:25 PM
Cold Case,

Who had more turnover last night Mark Sanchez or the Royals? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2012, 06:47:25 PM
Amazing how the loss of the Royals best defensive player has had such an immediate impact on their fortunes...or lack thereof.
They simply do not put any pressure on the ball.
It certainly looks like they are so afraid of getting beat on drives to the basket that they are willing to allow room on the perimeter & its been killing them.
That and virtually no assists, minimal second chance shots, turnovers of all varieties, pretty lousy shooting up till today etc. etc. etc.
Perhaps Maple tapping season is over & the big kid from Vermont will head on down from the Adirondack's.
By the way...what is up with this tournament at Scranton with the consolation & championship games, on a work day, with the students out for semester break, being played at 2:00 & 4:00???
So much for a Fan Friendly environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2012, 07:05:13 PM
 At least we now know that the rest of the freshman class are alive and well enough to play 1 minute.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 19, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
He said not to worry...he had a lock on a point guard from Parkland.
Also said something about asking Canio to come out of retirement to work on their defense.  ;)

I don't know what idiot told you Scranton was getting a kid from Parkland. I did say they were pursuing a Parkland player. Show me one coach that gets everyone he recruits. And since you want to be a wise ass, you can wait for the school to put out their July press release on recruits. Actually, you were all going to wait from this point anyway...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2012, 11:04:28 PM
"July" press release???
So they've moved it up three months?
I guess this means we were all bad this year...CC is taking the ball & going home.
A little defensive...I was just giving a wise ass answer to a wise ass response.
Where's Augie, the judge of reason and introspection when we need him?
Probably relaxing poolside at his California retreat & working the phones to bring in another Calif. kid like BB.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2012, 10:02:12 AM
Merry Christmas to all even the Grinch that is Cold Case!!!!!


For Christmas the Royals get a trip out to Juniata , should be fun!


Grove- Thank you for sharing that article. Much appreciated and not forgotten.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 24, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Chris Shovlin is back at Wilkes? I thought you had five years to complete four? No?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
"The clock" is for scholarship levels. It doesn't apply to Division III. If someone isn't enrolled full-time, they do not use a semester of eligibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 28, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
"The clock" is for scholarship levels. It doesn't apply to Division III. If someone isn't enrolled full-time, they do not use a semester of eligibility.

What if they are enrolled full-time? Scranton has at least 1 player on the women's side who hasn't played for 3 semesters, treating and recovering from an injury, but who's been attending school full-time(presumably). Is the clock ticking(5 semesters left) or not(6 semesters left) for her. She played 1 full year before injury. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 28, 2012, 12:59:24 PM
The NCAA did away with the old 5 years to play 4 several years ago.
Currently, student-athletes have 10 semesters to use up their eligibility.
Therefore, as in the case of the Wilkes player, the student-athlete can play 2 years...take a few years off & come back.
Not sure why this twist on the D-I version was proposed & accepted by D-III member institutions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 28, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
 10 semesters of attending classes?  The Scranton player would have 5 semesters left for 3 years of bball; the Wilkes guy didn't attend during his bball inactivity; so he'd have 6 semesters left for his final 2 years of bball, if I got u right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 29, 2012, 11:35:27 PM
Got a chance to see Catholic play today--wow.  They beat Denison 77-35.  I don't think I've ever seen that kind of margin of victory from a Catholic team, at least that I can recall.  Catholic really looked good on both ends of the floor.  (I don't care who you are playing, that is an impressive margin of victory, and they pulled the starters fairly early.)

Kearney's put it all together and is now a dominant big man who basically has to be doubled.  Limberiou was absolutely ridiculous, at one point in the 2nd half he hit 3's on basically 5 straight possessions over a 3:49 stretch, a bunch of them from way back.   He also had 13 rebounds.  Reminded me a lot of Scott Fumai, who used to have stretches like that where he'd be feeling it and nailing everything.  Limberiou finished with 27, 7-10 from 3.  When Kearney is doubled, they've got other options, including dangerous shooters.  They're also getting some very good minutes from freshman...I think that's really been the key.  Good to see them come out of the break at full speed.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 30, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
What, no Banzhaf?  ;D (sorry Matt, I couldn't resist.)

An early Happy New Year to my Landmark Conference friends!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2012, 08:38:43 PM
Ronk:
I believe that's how it's viewed.
Kids that stay in school but stop playing are actually penalized more (from a purely athletic standpoint), than those that drop out, re-enroll & start playing again.
Wish I had more info as to why DIII went this route over the old 5 to play 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 31, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 30, 2012, 08:38:43 PM
Ronk:
I believe that's how it's viewed.
Kids that stay in school but stop playing are actually penalized more (from a purely athletic standpoint), than those that drop out, re-enroll & start playing again.
Wish I had more info as to why DIII went this route over the old 5 to play 4.

D-III has nothing to do with it. It's the NCAA. My point is that the guy is 28. At that age, he should be out working and perhaps taking part-time classes. Instead, the guy is probably full-time. And, after years of landing transfers, are you surprised it's Wilkes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2012, 12:38:59 PM
+1 for the Banzhaf reference.


Royals appear to be healthy again, let's see if they can get on a role.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 31, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
Even without Jason...hey, he was a very good offensive player, one of the best ever in the young history of this conference!

Catholic beat Husson 82-49 to win their tournament.  They're really coming out of the gate strong after the Christmas break. Congratulations to senior Shawn Holmes who scored his 1,000 point during the game.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 31, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

Not many people post on "your" site. Keep chasing them away....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 31, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

Not many people post on "your" site. Keep chasing them away....
You keep saying that but I am not sure one or two more departures would be missed. If it's not enjoyable for you to post here, don't do it. Life's too short. I don't think your posting here is particularly enjoyable for others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 01, 2013, 12:22:47 PM
Pat:
Absolutely correct.
Each division of the NCAA proposes & then votes on various by-laws each year.
Those decisions are then placed before the Presidents committee for final consideration & adoption.
I would think your reasoning as to why the timeline was extended at the DIII level is as plausible as any.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
It's a common misconception that the NCAA staff makes the rules. Not the case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 02, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
Is there really a 28 year old competing at the collegiate level?  Even on the surface that seems like a complete joke.  Whatever body, whether it be NCAA staff, D3 presidents, etc should be looking out for the collegiate athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
Recruiting update:
   I have decided against returning to the University of Scranton for graduate studies to use up my final 2 semesters of bball eligibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 02, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
Is there really a 28 year old competing at the collegiate level?  Even on the surface that seems like a complete joke.  Whatever body, whether it be NCAA staff, D3 presidents, etc should be looking out for the collegiate athlete.
God forbid we applaud the student-athlete for getting a degree and choosing that on top of that he would like to play a sport. Plus the fact, do you really think a 28 year old who has been away from the organized game is going to really take over and dominate? This is Division III... his efforts to better himself and contribute should be applauded, not considered a "joke."

(By the way, he is a collegiate athlete - so people are looking out for him, too.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2013, 02:23:58 PM
There have definitely been older student-athletes in Division III. I would like to think that there's a place in athletics for those who have to drop out to raise a family or go into the armed services or even play a different professional sport and come back to finish college.

It isn't pre-ordained that college athletics is for the U23 set. Horace Jenkins was 26 when Paterson played in the national title game. There was a guy who played football for Sul Ross State a few years back in his 50s. R.J. Bowers became D-III's all-time leading rusher at Grove City after playing minor league baseball for several seasons. The list is longer than that, too. (Heck, Chris Weinke.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 02, 2013, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 02, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
Is there really a 28 year old competing at the collegiate level?  Even on the surface that seems like a complete joke.  Whatever body, whether it be NCAA staff, D3 presidents, etc should be looking out for the collegiate athlete.
God forbid we applaud the student-athlete for getting a degree and choosing that on top of that he would like to play a sport. Plus the fact, do you really think a 28 year old who has been away from the organized game is going to really take over and dominate? This is Division III... his efforts to better himself and contribute should be applauded, not considered a "joke."

(By the way, he is a collegiate athlete - so people are looking out for him, too.)

Dave,
With all due respect, the guy in question is averaging 27 points per game and was recently featured on the front page of your website.  So yes, it seems to me as if he really has taken over and dominated. 

I applaud and congratulate anyone who works hard and tries to further his or her own education. I'm not saying Wilkes shouldnt have allowed this man on campus, i'm saying he shouldnt be allowed to play intercollegiate basketball. It creates an unfair platform where a man is competing against boys.  But this isnt new to College Athletics.  Just look at Oklahoma State where a 27 year old made them BCS contenders in football.  It is a moot point, i'm sure any age restriction would be challenged in court (and the NCAA isnt about to have its legal status questioned), but this is an unfair advantage that should not be celebrated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Appreciate the opinion -- obviously we differ on what should be "celebrated" but I don't have a problem devoting one of what will be several hundred front-page slots this year to this kind of story.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
He may be averaging 27 points, but the team is 5-4... I don't think his "domination" in your eyes is really something to be concerned about. It the team was undefeated... I would see what you are trying to say.

I am just glad he has the chance to play... I enjoyed my two years and wish to this day I could go back and do it again... even at my age.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 02, 2013, 07:48:24 PM
Come on, this is D3... the beauty of this level is that they're in it for the love of the game. How few of these guys will end up going pro? For the D3 athlete, for most of us it's the end of the line. I remember a Susquehanna football player back in my day who was a Gulf 1 War vet, probably about 26 or 27 at the time. I always thought it was cool he got a chance to play college football after serving his country.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2013, 08:24:35 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
Recruiting update:
   I have decided against returning to the University of Scranton for graduate studies to use up my final 2 semesters of bball eligibility.

Seton Hall still on your radar? 


BTW Scranton has a 26 year old on their roster. My issue with the Cabrini kid is that he shows up just in time for post season last year and then disappears for a semester this year. ( and that he is good!)

Pat, did you ban Cold Case?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2013, 08:24:35 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
Recruiting update:
   I have decided against returning to the University of Scranton for graduate studies to use up my final 2 semesters of bball eligibility.

Seton Hall still on you radar? 


BTW Scranton has a 26 year old on their roster. My issue with the Cabrini kid is that he shows up just in time for post season last year and then disappears for a semester this year. ( and that he is good!)

Pat, did you ban Cold Case?

  Maybe since PJ has become the interim head coach of the Brooklyn Nets, he'll remember me, offer a 10-day contract, and I'll forego my last 2 semesters of collegiate eligibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
  Eerie to see a Kings-Scranton rivalry game with nobody there; holiday break and intersession with no students makes for lousy game atmosphere in January. We used to fill the Scranton CYC(4400 capacity) for this game when I was there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 02, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
  Eerie to see a Kings-Scranton rivalry game with nobody there; holiday break and intersession with no students makes for lousy game atmosphere in January. We used to fill the Scranton CYC(4400 capacity) for this game when I was there.

You can't have it any later because you get into conference play, so how about a tip off tournament? Not sure what else you can do to generate some buzz...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2013, 12:28:09 PM
Looks like Cold Case was banned? On what grounds?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 03, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2013, 12:28:09 PM
Looks like Cold Case was banned? On what grounds?

I've started e-mailing cc over the past few months, and I found out yes he's received the hammer.  I'm not sure what he did to set Pat or Dave off (I dont know who is responsible for monitoring the site, or even if it is one of them), but i dont think the fight is over anytime soon.  He's writing an editorial with the following excerpt: ""You have to see it to believe it. Two stooges, let's call them, Mutt and Jeff, believe they are the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and ban people when you put them to task with honest questions. These buffoons are as sad as sad can get. Fact is, these clods are Taliban."

either way, his insight on Scranton BBall will be missed, especially if the Royals can make a deep tourney run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2013, 02:51:40 PM
All he wants to do is bash people and the community. If someone asks a question, I respond, and it leads to taking crap from a poster for answering a question, then honestly, none of us should have to read that.

New Year's resolution -- for my own peace of mind, I'm not going to let people continue to do that. It's covered in the TOS and has been for more than a decade. I have better things to do.

Quote from: cold_case on December 24, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Chris Shovlin is back at Wilkes? I thought you had five years to complete four? No?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
"The clock" is for scholarship levels. It doesn't apply to Division III. If someone isn't enrolled full-time, they do not use a semester of eligibility.

Quote from: cold_case on December 31, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
D-III has nothing to do with it. It's the NCAA. My point is that the guy is 28. At that age, he should be out working and perhaps taking part-time classes. Instead, the guy is probably full-time. And, after years of landing transfers, are you surprised it's Wilkes?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
It actually *is* D-III, and not the NCAA, that makes D-III rules. Division III presidents, VPs, athletics directors assistant athletic directors and coaches make up the rule-making bodies and vote on proposals at conventions. The people who work in the NCAA office in Indianapolis (aka, "the NCAA") are not the ones who make the rules. (They do interpret the rules and manage the budget, etc.)

I suspect the reason why we do not have a clock is that since D-III student-athletes are never on scholarship, they do sometimes have to take time off from school in order to go back to work and make money to pay for another year of school. I do not at all think it is a problem to have non-traditional students come back and finish their degree and eligibility, provided they are full-time students (or in the final semester to finish their degree requirements). I applaud Chris Shovlin for coming back, in fact. Good for him!

Quote from: cold_case on December 31, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
Not many people post on "your" site. Keep chasing them away....

Someone who is intent on making discussions personal, even when I have said nothing personal, is not going to change, in my opinion. Enough is enough, already. I have tried interacting with this poster in a professional way and this is the response I get. Not worth the time I've spent even compiling this post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
Cold Case is a legend and will be missed. Never forget when he broke the Paul Hawk commitment on this site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 04, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
Pat this isn't meant to be negative, but a better New Year's Resolution would be to just not let these things bother you so much.  I used to let every miniscule thing bother me, but then a Manager taught me two of the greatest words in the English language: "Rise Above." 

And Nepa youre right, he will be missed.  Good luck to the Royals the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 04, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
Pat this isn't meant to be negative, but a better New Year's Resolution would be to just not let these things bother you so much.  I used to let every miniscule thing bother me, but then a Manager taught me two of the greatest words in the English language: "Rise Above." 

No doubt, but I tried that for, literally, years, and this particular poster did not change his ways or his attitude.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2013, 05:32:57 PM
First Augie & now the Case of Cold ones...the Royals are doomed!  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
 Augie can still be heard during Royals' broadcasts-I heard a 'Are you kidding me?' that could only be Augie over the airwaves a few games ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2013, 08:05:52 PM
We all know this site is Anti-Scranton.



Saratoga did I see you in the crowd at Martz center? Very funny video, Wilkes side erupts and then 2 seconds later the Scranton side erupts in victory.


The Royals are due in Huntindon (spelling) , let's see what they do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 04, 2013, 09:53:48 PM
There's too many of you, NEPA, gotta give the rest of us a chance to catch up.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Meh -- we're not anti-Scranton. Once upon a time we were accused of being biased in favor of Scranton by the Wilkes crowd. It's all a matter of perception. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2013, 06:47:53 PM
Pat

That was tongue in cheek. Scranton and Susquehanna with wins so far today!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2013, 07:37:31 PM
NEPA:
Not at the Scranton/Wilkes game...just not the same anymore.
Is it just me or do Coach Rickroad & Shovelin look like twins these days?
Probably around the same age...who knows.
Big win on the road today at Juniata.
Just checked the CUA game & they are taking care of business at home vs. MMA...something the Royals did not do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2013, 07:42:04 PM
Goucher leading Moravian early....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 05, 2013, 07:37:31 PM
NEPA:
Not at the Scranton/Wilkes game...just not the same anymore.
Is it just me or do Coach Rickroad & Shovelin look like twins these days?
Probably around the same age...who knows.
Big win on the road today at Juniata.
Just checked the CUA game & they are taking care of business at home vs. MMA...something the Royals did not do.

Might be a harder trip -- I'm sure we've all driven NJ Turnpike/95 and not had a lot of fun doing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2013, 09:51:56 PM
Fond memories of 95 just south of Baltimore several summers back...over 2 hours to get beyond Washington.
A trip that some days may take 45 minutes.
Perhaps they did leave their game on the bus.
Personally, not a fan of the Wednesday/Saturday format being used this year in the Landmark.
Much preferred seeing both the men & women play the same day/night & come right back the next day.
Beyond this season, any idea how long this format will be experimented with?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2013, 10:13:40 PM
Speaking of the possible effects of a road trip to the Baltimore/DC area...Moravian loses at Goucher.
When was the last time the Gophers started conference play at 2-0?
And...their first win was at MMA, generally not an easy place to win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
Catholic ended up winning 74-57...struggled in a few aspects of the game (rebounding, bench) but forced a lot of turnovers and once again shot well from beyond the arc. 

I'm biased because I was used to Wed-Sat with the CAC, but I like the format a LOT better.  Yes, I know in the NCAA tournament you have to be able to win back to back games.  But on a week to week basis, I really thought it skewed results and punished the better teams in the league.  It was very hard to win that second road game in a row.  I think with this schedule, we're going to get a more accurate result and it should help improve the chances of getting two teams into the tournament.  Also, to the extent it matters (debatable), its much more fan-friendly...students are more likely to come out to the weeknight games, and other fans don't have to give up back to back weekend days to see their team play.


The Catholic men's and women's basketball teams are a combined 24-1 so far.  Nice to see the evolution in the women's program over the fast few years. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
Decent points Matt, however, there is no way I'm leaving work in New York & making it to a Royals game at Susquehanna, Moravian or Drew on a Wednesday night.
Conversely, when they were played on Sat./Sunday...they were all easy to attend.
I guess the mid-week games may be nice for the locals, not so much for those driving a distance to see an away game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
Well, presumably the students on campus aren't exactly driving that far!  It was always easier to get students to come out to a weeknight game than a weekend game, at least at Catholic.  The reality is that most of us are outliers...we are alumni or otherwise interested parties who might drive to come to a game.  Now that I've got two jobs and three (soon to be 4) kids, even going to home games isn't exactly easy (thankful for the vastly improved webcasts) so I don't really factor myself into the equation.

The goal should be getting students and the whole campus involved.  We had some memorable games at DuFour against CAC rivals when the students really created a home court advantage, but you don't see that much anymore.  From what it sounds like, its the same thing for Scranton.

Beyond that, from a competition standpoint, I really think this was the right move.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2013, 12:37:01 AM
  Maybe a hybrid would be preferable where the longest trips(Scranton/Moravian-Catholic/Goucher and MMA/Drew-Susque/Juniata are the same weekend and the others are single trips. The fly in this plan might be MMA not liking to spend the extra day away from the Academy.
  Scranton's low attendance is mostly the January intersession when many students are off-campus. I'd expect they'll be back for the Catholic game in February. Hopefully, there will be a big crowd in 2 weeks for the game at Catholic, also. I remember too many Scranton-Catholic games in the pre-Landmark days when it was held Thanksgiving weekend in front of me and 50 others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2013, 01:28:50 AM
Those are the ones I attended.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 06, 2013, 04:45:26 AM
In my experience, students didn't flock to mid-week games... too many meetings, group projects, night classes etc. Then again, they weren't always so hip to the Saturday afternoon games. Gotta get that extra sleep, you know. Friday nights always had the best attendance.

Matt, I'm trying to flash back to my Marymount (CAC) days... I think it was much of the same, a weekend game was better attended than a weeknight game. Unless it was the Catholic game.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 06, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
For a few years there, I think the Marymount-CUA games were always well attended no matter when they were played.  Same for Mary Washington games for maybe a 2-3 year period after that.

Obviously, there are many variables and it probably varies by school.  Obviously, Catholic is in a bit of a different position because the campus is in a major city--lots of competition for things to do on a Saturday.

One tradition that I'm going to miss this year is the annual Saturday night Goucher game.  That started in the CAC days and held for Landmark.  I understand why it was moved to a weeknight--it makes sense given that the two schools are fairly close (though with traffic they better leave early!) but I have fond memories of making that trip.  Of course, that was mostly in the pre-parenting days...

The good news is that my oldest son (6) this year has developed into a huge sports fan.  In previous years he didn't like the noise and the crowd (such as it was) and didn't have the attention span.  I took him last week though and he loved it--watched every minute intently, cheered "defense" at the right time and wants to go back.  Over the summer he did 18 innings in back to back days at Fenway park, so I think I trained him well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 06, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
Catholic has looked quite good thus far! Shawn Holmes is the heart and soul of this team.  He does everything well on both ends of the court. The freshman point guard from NC is very good.  He plays like an upper-classman.  Kearney has been solid throughout, but sometimes struggles with bigger, more physical players. Limberiou has been outstanding in all aspects of the game. He scores inside, as well as from beyond the arc. Additionally, he plays tough defense against opponents. Nate Koenig has played very well. He is capable of igniting the team with big plays on both ends of the court.  The bench needs some improvement, lthough the twin freshmen from Florida have contributed good minutes off the bench. However, Catholic started off strong last year with a 12-1 record entering conference play. That didn't turn out all that well in the end! Hopefully they will win a few more conference games this year, including at least one victory over Scranton, who seams to own the Cards throughout the existence of the Landmark!  BTW, the USMMA looks very good in my opinion.  They are very big and play tough defense.  I don't think the score indicates their ability   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
Toga,

Point taken about Wilkes-Scranton not being what is used to be. But this week's match up was a classic. From Chris Shovlin putting up 35 points ( no confirmation if he said that was for Cold_Case in the post game interview) to the back to back long range 3's. Love the Cross County challenge, but again no point to having them the day after new years in an empty gym.


Catholic looks good, and Goucher knocking off Moravian is huge. Looks like it is very competitive for the conference title this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
Wed conf games:

Scranton-MMA    which MMA team shows up? the 1 that beat the Royals on the road or the 1 that lost the other 3 games by an average of 19 points.

Susque-Goucher   can Susque climb back into the race with the return of Harley Sellinger against the surprise co-leader Goucher?

Catholic-Juniata   can CUA win on the road?
Moravian-Drew
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Well... as the lone Goucher alum on these boards these days... I am sure some have wanted to hear my take on the Gophers - while I am sure others don't care to hear :). I am sorry to have been absent... I have been very busy and even under the weather recently.

Goucher has both impressed and disappointed me this season. They have been a bit inconsistent. They embarrassed themselves against Johns Hopkins earlier this year in a game dedicated to Damon Brooks. But then they rattle off an impressive streak that saw them nearly beat Eastern Mennonite (coming from 12 points down twice), rally from 20 points down against Salisbury but didn't have enough time to rally all the way back, and then beat Ferrum. They beat Merchant Marine at Kings Point, only to see the Mariners then beat Scranton at Scranton. Then Goucher lays an egg in Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands especially against a Muhlenberg team they probably should have beaten (they also lost to Albright, but I can't knock them for that).

They return home and I talk to Coach Walker of Moravian before the game and he says last year Goucher struggled with the up-tempo-pressure and thinks it will work again. I actually couldn't help but say... maybe not this year. While the team has been inconsistent at times, I knew that the up-temp pace wasn't something they were struggling with too much this year... and low and behold they didn't mind it a bit and walked away with an impressive victory.

Goucher's schedule as certainly been a stronger one this year (I wonder if the fact Coach Trevino is on the regional committee has changed his tactics on this) and with a lot of youth on the team, they seem to be responding. Only one player left during the break (no idea why) and finally the upper classmen like Trae Lindsay are playing well again (Lindsay is finally being pushed in practice by another talented played, Julian Livingston). Richard Harris is playing well (conference player of the week), Alex Noble is finding his spots off the bench, Brian Morton seems to be taking control of things on the court, Dylan Chaney certainly seems to be comfortable running things when he is on the court, and other guys seem to be finding their rolls and fitting the pieces together. Goucher did also tweak its offense - though I am not sharing how - and their defense has had a make-over.

Can they win the conference? Meh... probably not. Can they make the final four? Possibly - I think there is a real chance this season for a change. And certainly they are showing they can compete. The key, they have to get the inconsistent play out of their system. If they can start gelling and go out each night as the same unit as I have seen against Moravian, Ferrum, Eastern Mennonite, etc.... then yes, they are going to be a challenge this season. But as Catholic and others have shown us in the past... get some inconsistent nights... and you are going to be forgotten about.

As for Catholic... they have been a team I have liked since the preseason. I was going to vote for them in my preseason poll but was actually talked out of it. Then when I saw them at the Hoopsville Classic... I was sold. They are playing as a unit far better than in past years even if they only go about 8 deep. The guys certainly seem to have gelled well and are playing very well with one another. I think the only question mark is their lack of depth, however, those 8 are playing at a very high level so there is no drop off... but one key injury or a team that wears them out could be their undoing. However, they have beaten Transylvania, St. Mary's, Randolph-Macon, and smoked a pretty good Merchant Marine squad. They have also been pretty dominate in their play all season. Even another person who has seen them thinks they may be a Top 5 team. However, the key now is that they keep playing this well. If they stumble, they have been known for not fixing it quickly and rattling off a few questionable games. They are right now in a great position come the post-season... but we are half way through and they can not rest on their laurels. They have to keep going and keep focused. I wish them the best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 08, 2013, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
As for Catholic... they have been a team I have liked since the preseason. I was going to vote for them in my preseason poll but was actually talked out of it.

How can someone talk you out of your own opinion for a preseason poll?  Goes back to the whole concept of preseason polls, in any sport, they serve absolutely no purpose if it can be swayed so easily.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2013, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Well... as the lone Goucher alum on these boards these days... I am sure some have wanted to hear my take on the Gophers - while I am sure others don't care to hear :). I am sorry to have been absent... I have been very busy and even under the weather recently.

Goucher has both impressed and disappointed me this season. They have been a bit inconsistent. They embarrassed themselves against Johns Hopkins earlier this year in a game dedicated to Damon Brooks. But then they rattle off an impressive streak that saw them nearly beat Eastern Mennonite (coming from 12 points down twice), rally from 20 points down against Salisbury but didn't have enough time to rally all the way back, and then beat Ferrum. They beat Merchant Marine at Kings Point, only to see the Mariners then beat Scranton at Scranton. Then Goucher lays an egg in Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands especially against a Muhlenberg team they probably should have beaten (they also lost to Albright, but I can't knock them for that).

They return home and I talk to Coach Walker of Moravian before the game and he says last year Goucher struggled with the up-tempo-pressure and thinks it will work again. I actually couldn't help but say... maybe not this year. While the team has been inconsistent at times, I knew that the up-temp pace wasn't something they were struggling with too much this year... and low and behold they didn't mind it a bit and walked away with an impressive victory.

Goucher's schedule as certainly been a stronger one this year (I wonder if the fact Coach Trevino is on the regional committee has changed his tactics on this) and with a lot of youth on the team, they seem to be responding. Only one player left during the break (no idea why) and finally the upper classmen like Trae Lindsay are playing well again (Lindsay is finally being pushed in practice by another talented played, Julian Livingston). Richard Harris is playing well (conference player of the week), Alex Noble is finding his spots off the bench, Brian Morton seems to be taking control of things on the court, Dylan Chaney certainly seems to be comfortable running things when he is on the court, and other guys seem to be finding their rolls and fitting the pieces together. Goucher did also tweak its offense - though I am not sharing how - and their defense has had a make-over.

Can they win the conference? Meh... probably not. Can they make the final four? Possibly - I think there is a real chance this season for a change. And certainly they are showing they can compete. The key, they have to get the inconsistent play out of their system. If they can start gelling and go out each night as the same unit as I have seen against Moravian, Ferrum, Eastern Mennonite, etc.... then yes, they are going to be a challenge this season. But as Catholic and others have shown us in the past... get some inconsistent nights... and you are going to be forgotten about.

As for Catholic... they have been a team I have liked since the preseason. I was going to vote for them in my preseason poll but was actually talked out of it. Then when I saw them at the Hoopsville Classic... I was sold. They are playing as a unit far better than in past years even if they only go about 8 deep. The guys certainly seem to have gelled well and are playing very well with one another. I think the only question mark is their lack of depth, however, those 8 are playing at a very high level so there is no drop off... but one key injury or a team that wears them out could be their undoing. However, they have beaten Transylvania, St. Mary's, Randolph-Macon, and smoked a pretty good Merchant Marine squad. They have also been pretty dominate in their play all season. Even another person who has seen them thinks they may be a Top 5 team. However, the key now is that they keep playing this well. If they stumble, they have been known for not fixing it quickly and rattling off a few questionable games. They are right now in a great position come the post-season... but we are half way through and they can not rest on their laurels. They have to keep going and keep focused. I wish them the best.

  I think you have a responsibility as a D3hoops principal to reveal this tweak to the rest of the D3 hoops community. If the press is going to cover up, what is this world coming to? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 08, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 07, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
Wed conf games:

Susque-Goucher   can Susque climb back into the race with the return of Harley Sellinger against the surprise co-leader Goucher?


It's January, Susquehanna's traditional time to get hot. Then again, Goucher tends to trip them up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2013, 04:04:54 PM
I suppose I need to come clean and mention that I'm the one who talked Dave out of CUA in the preseason. He had asked me to request preseason info from Catholic and I decided not to, based on the Cardinals' 10-0 start and 7-8 finish to the season last year and their failure to make the conference tournament. I decided that fifth place and a .500 record in the league didn't translate into the top 60 or so cutoff I request information from. Every team I get info from requires an additional 10 or so minutes of work on my end to process, so I drew the line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 08, 2013, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
As for Catholic... they have been a team I have liked since the preseason. I was going to vote for them in my preseason poll but was actually talked out of it.

How can someone talk you out of your own opinion for a preseason poll?  Goes back to the whole concept of preseason polls, in any sport, they serve absolutely no purpose if it can be swayed so easily.

If a voter talks to others and what they hear changes their mind... so be it. I talk to other voters and non-voters along with plenty of coaches during the year and off-season and what I learn from them does sway how I decide to vote - it can also lock my mindset in. So, it isn't that surprising for a voter to decide, "well, from what I am learning from others, I might be off on my thoughts with that team." And furthermore, we are talking about one voter, me, not everyone voting. It wasn't an easy sway... even after not getting the info I was debating strongly about putting Catholic in my poll... but it came down to too many question marks per Pat's point of the previous season, questions about who was on the roster and how they would perform, and what I knew was going to be a challenging start to the season. Remember, ultimately, I am the one who votes on my poll (and 24 others vote on theirs) and if I decide to change my mind or not per someone's guidance or input... that is my choice. Thus... nothing is "swayed so easily." (Plus the fact, do you know how many hours I worked on my poll and how many different versions I had? If any voter was easily swayed it would make our lives a lot easier in October, I assure you.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2013, 01:14:41 PM
Sad news to report...
Former Scranton star Jason Hoppy & his wife Bethenny Frankel of the Real Housewives of NYC fame have decided to seperate.
Perhaps a new reality show with Jason hanging out with former Royal players living in the Big Apple while Bethenny markets a new line of cocktails is in the works.
Some way, some how they've got to work Bess into one of their adventures.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 01:58:41 PM
Not before donating to the Royal Fund for athletics.


Bethenny was too NY for Jason and his Hazelton background.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2013, 03:25:58 PM
  Maybe Jason will go play in the alumni game Saturday; I was considering it but the oldest guy in last year's game was in his early 30s. Possibly, I'll talk some of my contemporaries into playing in the future while were still mobile.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
 Just noticed the Wednesday Landmark scheduling new this year that has no doubleheaders but instead has the men and women playing at the same time, but in different locations. For those of us(me and Saratoga) who watch both teams, now we'll have to choose between them or get both videocasts on the same screen.
  While it may allow the players to attend 1/2 or 3/4 day classes on game day(depending on distance, Juniata-CUA will be straining allowable time) because they're playing at 7 instead of 5, this may be a questionable strategy. thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2013, 04:17:36 PM
Dumb... plain and simple. They also instituted 2 and 4 PM for the double-headers on Saturdays... BUT if a school wants a different time they can work that out EXCEPT it can't be more than 5 hours later (thus, Goucher can't play later than 5 and 7 - not 5:30 and 7:30 as Goucher has done for years).

A lot of this seems to be trying to appease everyone in the conference. I know of coaches that hated the back-to-back games on the weekends (despite the fact this isn't that uncommon in Division III athletics, especially basketball), so they moved games to Wednesdays. I know people that thought the women weren't getting a fair shake, so they played with the game times the last few seasons (not this year). I know schools that were worried about the long travel, so I guess this Wednesday split idea was their solution - though it certainly doesn't save on costs for schools especially if any of them use just one bus normally for both teams going to a double-header.

It is just more of an example that this conference needs to have commissioner that just makes the best decisions possible and doesn't try to appease to everyone. Not every school can or should get their way. Not every school should have to make sacrifices for everyone. There are certainly things people would like to change or adjust as the conference grows and gets older, but that doesn't mean every single idea from every single entity needs to be implement especially in some crazy ways of doing it.

Finally... with all of these changes and the fact that games are now played on Wednesdays... is there any darn reason we are not having all 8 teams in the conference playoffs? Travel is no longer an excuse... and if there is a major worry about it... play the first round on Tuesdays... and then have the final four, like the old style, on Friday/Saturday or even Saturday/Sunday at the highest ranked school. The fact we don't have all 8 schools is ridiculous.

Sorry... I will try and get off of my soap box now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2013, 04:58:18 PM
Dave/Ronk:
My feelings exactly.
This commissioner needs to stop trying to be Mr. Wonderful to every school that whines, get a pair & establish an actual identity of this conference that doesn't change in some stupid fashion each season.
What the hell was wrong with the women & men playing doubleheaders?
How does Scranton fighting through NYC traffic to play MMA or Catholic traveling to Juniata on a Wednesday make any sense?
Why not expand the playoffs to all eight teams? Was it even discussed?
The changes that keep rolling out of Madison are not fan or student friendly, are not progressive & are certainly not well thought out.
They have remained reactionary to a vocal minority that should perhaps, re-examine their priorities & commitment to this conference.
If you can't afford the hotels for back to backs & need to squeeze every nickel, then perhaps you should bow out gracefully, no questions asked.
Just stop messing up what was a good thing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2013, 04:17:36 PM
Dumb... plain and simple. They also instituted 2 and 4 PM for the double-headers on Saturdays... BUT if a school wants a different time they can work that out EXCEPT it can't be more than 5 hours later (thus, Goucher can't play later than 5 and 7 - not 5:30 and 7:30 as Goucher has done for years).

A lot of this seems to be trying to appease everyone in the conference. I know of coaches that hated the back-to-back games on the weekends (despite the fact this isn't that uncommon in Division III athletics, especially basketball), so they moved games to Wednesdays. I know people that thought the women weren't getting a fair shake, so they played with the game times the last few seasons (not this year). I know schools that were worried about the long travel, so I guess this Wednesday split idea was their solution - though it certainly doesn't save on costs for schools especially if any of them use just one bus normally for both teams going to a double-header.

It is just more of an example that this conference needs to have commissioner that just makes the best decisions possible and doesn't try to appease to everyone. Not every school can or should get their way. Not every school should have to make sacrifices for everyone. There are certainly things people would like to change or adjust as the conference grows and gets older, but that doesn't mean every single idea from every single entity needs to be implement especially in some crazy ways of doing it.

Finally... with all of these changes and the fact that games are now played on Wednesdays... is there any darn reason we are not having all 8 teams in the conference playoffs? Travel is no longer an excuse... and if there is a major worry about it... play the first round on Tuesdays... and then have the final four, like the old style, on Friday/Saturday or even Saturday/Sunday at the highest ranked school. The fact we don't have all 8 schools is ridiculous.Sorry... I will try and get off of my soap box now.

I've mentioned this previously but will repeat-there was a season maybe 10 years ago when Scranton was in the MAC Freedom and going into the final game of the season, there was a good chance that 5 teams would tie for 1st place with 9-5 records and that one was going to be eliminated from the NCAA berth by a coin flip. It didn't turn out that way but to be eliminated off the court that way would have been senseless. Plus, teams 5-8 ought to have a chance at the postseason even if that chance is reduced by seeding and home-court preference. The plusses of additional conference-wide interest would seem to trump any other considerations. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Waitasekond I have to pay 7.95 to watch the royals at mma? Come on...



Ronk do all the Bess players go to Kings alumni game ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2013, 07:06:22 PM
 Didn't realize it til the player intros that MMA g Frank Wiseley is probably the older brother of a player Scranton was recruiting last year, Steve Wiseley, who ended up choosing D2 West Chester, instead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
Royals announcers are broadcasting via Skype. I love DIII!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Catholic losses to Juniata 75-65 (?) and Goucher beats Susquehanna 63-56 in OT... GOPHERS LEAD THE CONFERENCE AT 3-0... WHAT?!

Granted... Goucher has to play Scranton on Saturday... this could be short lived  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 09, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Kudos on the in-game Twitter updates, D-Mac.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
I think the Catholic bandwagon blew a tire somewhere on the way to Juniata.
Probably a pitchfork left on the only road into town by a mischievous Amish kid.
So much for all that hoopla.
Perhaps the crowning of the cardinal is not a foregone conclusion just yet.
Saturday's game between Goucher & the Royals may be the most important game the Gophers have played since the inception of the Landmark.
Good for them, good for the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
I don't think anyone thought the "crowning of the Cardinal" was ever a foregone conclusion.  Certainly not me.

As for the bandwagon...it must have been a small enough wagon for me to completely miss.  There have been more posts on the scheduling of the league in the last day than there have been about Catholic all season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 10, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
Under no circumstances should conference playoffs be expanded at the Division 3 level, unless you change the rules that regular season champions, instead of tournament champs, get the automatic berth.  There are just too few at large Ncaa tournament berths for something like that to make sense
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 10, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
I like the four-team playoffs in this region of the country.  It makes the regular season games more meaningful and produces really entertaining conference races.

If we ever have a case where there are five teams tied at 9-5, then maybe I'd think differently.  Is that even mathematically possible in conferences with 7 and 8 teams?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 10, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
Under no circumstances should conference playoffs be expanded at the Division 3 level, unless you change the rules that regular season champions, instead of tournament champs, get the automatic berth.  There are just too few at large Ncaa tournament berths for something like that to make sense

Um... there are 42 automatic berths in Division III men's basketball... that is the MAJORITY of the 62 bids for the tournament. And there are a lot of conferences like the CAC and ODAC that include everyone. And there is only 1 conference that has the regular season champ get the automatic bid... the UAA... because they do NOT have a tournament. No point in a tournament if you are going to award the automatic bid to the regular season champ.

By the way, expanding to 8 teams... would be going back to normal for everyone of these schools since their previous conferences included at least 8 (if my memory serves).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 10, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
QuoteBy the way, expanding to 8 teams... would be going back to normal for everyone of these schools since their previous conferences included at least 8 (if my memory serves).

The MAC had an 8-team playoff when the Freedom and Commonwealth teams all played together.  Starting in 2000, there were four team playoffs on each side.  So that was the status quo for Scranton, Drew, Juniata, Moravian and Susquehanna when they joined the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 10, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
QuoteBy the way, expanding to 8 teams... would be going back to normal for everyone of these schools since their previous conferences included at least 8 (if my memory serves).

The MAC had an 8-team playoff when the Freedom and Commonwealth teams all played together.  Starting in 2000, there were four team playoffs on each side.  So that was the status quo for Scranton, Drew, Juniata, Moravian and Susquehanna when they joined the Landmark.

Thank you for the reminder! I forgot what the MAC did when they finally went to two difference "conferences." :)

By the way, I have heard from a few coaches, including those in that group, that wouldn't mind an 8-team playoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 09, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Kudos on the in-game Twitter updates, D-Mac.
It is what I do, Grove. Usually from the @d3hoopsville account, but since I switched some settings with regards to Twitter and Facebook, I have gone to my @davemchugh profile instead.

Plus, I do it because I know the Goucher guys won't - they will just retweet mine! (Just kidding... I know they are reading the boards on occasions... so I thought I would have some fun - I actually enjoy tweeting about the games to try and drive more interest in the conference).

Side-note... not sure everyone realizes, but the conference commissioner's office is at Goucher, now. The commish was at least night's game and I was supposed to meet him, but the time at halftime ran out. Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 10, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Using rough numbers, if there are 20 at large berths in dIII for 363 teams (405 teams, give or take, less 42 Auto bids), that means teams have about a 5% chance of making the national tournament if they do not win their conference.  And thats not taking into account all the regionalization of the D3 Tourney.  Compare that to D1, where the number is over 12%. 

I'm sure you head from coaches who would like to expand conference tournaments.  The expanded tournaments gives teams a chance to salvage a bad regular season with a fresh start.  I just feel it diminishes the value of the regular season, and makes it harder for a deserving team to make the National Ncaas
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 10, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
I like the four-team playoffs in this region of the country.  It makes the regular season games more meaningful and produces really entertaining conference races.

If we ever have a case where there are five teams tied at 9-5, then maybe I'd think differently.  Is that even mathematically possible in conferences with 7 and 8 teams?

  Yes, it's possible, but I haven't found the year, yet; MAC online standings only go back to 98-99 season; it might have been 94 or 95; I'll try to track it down.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 10, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Using rough numbers, if there are 20 at large berths in dIII for 363 teams (405 teams, give or take, less 42 Auto bids), that means teams have about a 5% chance of making the national tournament if they do not win their conference.  And thats not taking into account all the regionalization of the D3 Tourney.  Compare that to D1, where the number is over 12%. 

I'm sure you head from coaches who would like to expand conference tournaments.  The expanded tournaments gives teams a chance to salvage a bad regular season with a fresh start.  I just feel it diminishes the value of the regular season, and makes it harder for a deserving team to make the National Ncaas

Comparing to D1 isn't really a good plan... their tournament is the one exception in the NCAA to it's 6.5:1 ratio of programs to tournament bids.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 10, 2013, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 09, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Kudos on the in-game Twitter updates, D-Mac.
It is what I do, Grove. Usually from the @d3hoopsville account, but since I switched some settings with regards to Twitter and Facebook, I have gone to my @davemchugh profile instead.

Plus, I do it because I know the Goucher guys won't - they will just retweet mine! (Just kidding... I know they are reading the boards on occasions... so I thought I would have some fun - I actually enjoy tweeting about the games to try and drive more interest in the conference).

I know the SIDs have their hands full during the game, but I do wish there were more fast-tempo updates like yours. The Daily Item's Bill Bowman does a good job of this too, when he can be lured away from Bucknell games (although this is a moot point as he just moved over to city editor).

Maybe the answer is to hire a student for live-tweeting. I don't necessarily have the time/patience/bandwidth to sit around watching livestats or video, but the tweets are a nice way to keep up with the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 04:33:10 PM
For the record... I am just joking about Goucher's SI department... they do a very good job. I figured they would be reading the boards at some point so I would have some fun with them - which means if they are reading them, I will hear about it next week :).

As for updates... I will admit it helps that I am only concentrating on PA announcing... not broadcasting the game or I wouldn't be that successful at the tweets. But I am glad to accommodate... though, just click on the link to watch the game LOL.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 10, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
I like the four-team playoffs in this region of the country.  It makes the regular season games more meaningful and produces really entertaining conference races.

If we ever have a case where there are five teams tied at 9-5, then maybe I'd think differently.  Is that even mathematically possible in conferences with 7 and 8 teams?

  Yes, it's possible, but I haven't found the year, yet; MAC online standings only go back to 98-99 season; it might have been 94 or 95; I'll try to track it down.

By way of example, teams 1-6 split their season series, giving them a 5-5 record at this point. teams 1-5 sweep teams 7-8, giving them the 9-5 record. teams 6-8 split the series among them, giving team 6 a 7-7 record and teams 7-8 2-12 records.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2013, 06:44:51 PM
Was not aware the Commish was now stationed in Towson.
Please feel free to share our concerns regarding the league catering to the whiners, the lack of women's/men's doubleheaders & the elimination of the Fri./Sat. or Sat./Sun. games.
Perhaps a visit to "Hoopsville" in the near future by the commish so we can find out why certain decisions were made would be helpful.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
Hmm... interesting ideas saratoga! I will ponder on them :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
Landmark board party in Scranton sat night? We can hit up Lackawanna ave!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2013, 08:07:15 PM
Sorry - can't make the trip... have other responsibilities back here in the Baltimore area... though it would have been nice to get a game in at Scranton!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 10, 2013, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
Landmark board party in Scranton sat night? We can hit up Lackawanna ave!

So Kildaire's and Trax? Or are you a member of the Liederkranz?  ;D Everything else in the Electric City has closed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2013, 09:59:04 AM
QuoteBy way of example, teams 1-6 split their season series, giving them a 5-5 record at this point. teams 1-5 sweep teams 7-8, giving them the 9-5 record. teams 6-8 split the series among them, giving team 6 a 7-7 record and teams 7-8 2-12 records.

Well done and thanks, Ronk. +k
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 11, 2013, 01:58:42 PM
Pat, if you are taking nominations for banishment, I'd like to propose Dave McHugh. Of course, without Cold Case, there may be no second to my motion.

Now for why I really logged on to post something: Some of you are really being too tough on the Landmark commissioner. He didn't make the ultimate decision to go to the new scheduling format. It started with the coaches and there was a wide range of opinions, so I don't think anybody totally got his or her way on this. But one thing more than a few coaches mentioned was that the Friday-Saturday format we were using was taking a tremendous physical toll on the players. We think a lot of you fans and are certainly willing to listen to your comments and take them into consideration, but the players will always be our No. 1 priority.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 11, 2013, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on January 11, 2013, 01:58:42 PM
Pat, if you are taking nominations for banishment, I'd like to propose Dave McHugh. Of course, without Cold Case, there may be no second to my motion.


i'll second it!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2013, 04:44:52 PM
Gouchersid:
If the new Commish just happened to walk into this mess, then certainly no one is going to hold them accountable for proposals & ultimate decisions made by another group.
However, it would be nice to hear why some proposals made the cut & others did not.
If the players & coaches both want Wed's./Sat. games great...the office should issue a statement on their website to that effect.
Some of us would also like to know why they've done away with doubleheaders.
Since the new Commish may be in an office near you...put a plug in for Dave's show & bring him in...Cold Case is waiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 11, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
So sorry, can't resist - been reading all your posts and all i can say is - ahhhhhh, but you finally have a league of your own!  Still miss all of you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
Kate:
Hate to disappoint...but, I'll take the Landmark with some growing pains over the MAC any day of the year.
That conference, & its revolving door of players in, players out is well back in the rear view mirror.
Nice to bump heads with some former contemporaries now & then but, that's more than enough.
As you can see, even the like minded have divergent opinions.
Miss you too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2013, 08:12:35 PM
Kate


Can we get a breakdown on the Del Val squad this year?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2013, 08:20:51 PM
  Around the Nation has 3 interesting stories: Cabrini's Aaron Walton-Moss return, S. Maine's D1 xfer, and Millikin, whose new coach spent most of his 1st season out recruiting high school prospects but wouldn't let them come see his current team play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
NEPA:
You'll need to be more specific...first semester's squad or current?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 11, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
Kate:
Hate to disappoint...but, I'll take the Landmark with some growing pains over the MAC any day of the year.
That conference, & its revolving door of players in, players out is well back in the rear view mirror.
Nice to bump heads with some former contemporaries now & then but, that's more than enough.
As you can see, even the like minded have divergent opinions.
Miss you too.

I'm with you, 'toga. The Landmark's been a good place to play. And although this is the basketball board, I have to say that I especially don't miss the MAC during football - some awful venues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 11, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
Kate:
Hate to disappoint...but, I'll take the Landmark with some growing pains over the MAC any day of the year.
That conference, & its revolving door of players in, players out is well back in the rear view mirror.
Nice to bump heads with some former contemporaries now & then but, that's more than enough.
As you can see, even the like minded have divergent opinions.
Miss you too.


I'm with you, 'toga. The Landmark's been a good place to play. And although this is the basketball board, I have to say that I especially don't miss the MAC during football - some awful venues.




Wish we had that football problem!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 11, 2013, 09:33:48 PM
Our second half roster, exactly the same as the first half, with the exception of Sophomore, Grace Mirack, out with a torn ACL and the subsequent surgery.   Glad Grove likes the venues of the Centennial League, probably even better than the Liberty League.   As far as basketball, your only new opponents are Catholic, Goucher and Merchant Marine.   Catholic looks to be a good team, but DC would be a true hassle for me to get to games.  Anyway, glad you're all enjoying yourselves - hope the MAC can put the ball where my mouth is and win big this season.  Amazingly, FDU (who'd thunk it  ;)) beat Moravian in the winter tourney - now we'll see what happens next month.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 11, 2013, 09:49:47 PM
I'm not normally one to gripe about karma sniping, but seriously??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 12, 2013, 05:31:12 PM
Don't worry Landmark folks, the basketball gods have "rewarded" us this afternoon with two Aggie losses, women, then the guys  :-[   I will stay out of the site - fear not.  How about Moravian downing Catholic - yes, i know i'm in the men's site - must have been quite a game, however!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 12, 2013, 06:29:52 PM
What's up in the Landmark today, everyone? Susquehanna fell to USMMA, 81-66. On a bright note, nice performance from freshman Brandon Hedley who lead SU with 21 points.

(As a side note, anyone "in the know" about swimming? How is Marywood a swimming-only conference member?)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2013, 06:49:13 PM
What is going on with SU lately?


Scranton destroyed Goucher today as the whole team got minutes.


Grove have you tried the von lugar steakhouse on courthouse square? Not a bad place.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 12, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
I don't know. It's frustrating not seeing them on a regular basis anymore. Coach Marcinek must have forgotten to keep sending me the super-secret updates.  ;)

I actually got to sample some chicken from von Lugar's last night (I went to the Winter in the City shindig at the Trolley Museum). Mr. Grove and I are hoping to go there for a special occasion sometime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2013, 09:02:41 PM
Since it looks like a slow day here on the board, I'll throw this out.
Yesterday, while standing in the checkout line at the market, I noticed a familiar face in the magazine section.
Gracing the cover of the current issue of US Weekly is our very own... former Royal great Jason Hoppy.
Looks like his separation from the somewhat obnoxious Ms. Frankel is about to get very public.

By the way, Von Lugar's is an excellent choice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 15, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2013, 09:02:41 PM

By the way, Von Lugar's is an excellent choice.

I've been meaning to try it.  Any recommendations when there? I know his place in NY has great bacon.  Also, is this a good date place or more of a guy's hangout/businessmans place?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Onetin:

Von Luger's is certainly business clubby during the day however, in the evening it's an excellent choice to take a date...even if your date is your wife!
Been there twice, outstanding both times.

Another great new place is POSH.
Located in the former Scranton Club on the corner of N. Washington & Mulberry.
Been there a few times before & after the Holidays...excellent.
Very NYC.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
As I PA announce the Juniata-Goucher game, I wanted to convey a point of view I heard tonight about the new conference schedule. According to the person I talked to, they calculated the students are now missing far less, considerably less class time with the new schedule of weekday games with no double-headers on those days. Instead of having to leave for games at 9 AM on Friday mornings and having their students exhausted on Sundays (making studying a challenge) when they returned to campus from a travel weekend.

Certainly, I can not disagree with this point of view. When it comes to missing class times especially for many of those students who may be pre-med and other more restrictive and complicated majors, the less missed the better.

Of course, I still hear from coaches that the back-to-back games on the weekend were taking a toll on the team especially with injuries or more importantly the recovery from those injuries. While I understand this point, I am not easily swayed when that is just the game. Heck, in ice hockey, teams are pretty much forced to play two games against the same opponent per weekend due to the travel and other factors and you don't see the NCAA changing the tournament schedule for this factor (or others).

While I agree with the class schedule point of view, I can't help but think that there are other conferences with equal or even higher academic standards who are still implementing this weekend schedule. If the NESCAC felt missing that time on the weekends because of travel was too important they would have abandoned their weekend structure as well. The MIAC in the West Region also has some tough academic institutions (i.e. Carleton, St. Thomas, etc.) and they still play the weekend schedule (Friday/Sunday) as well. And the Empire 8 and Liberty League certainly are full of challenging schools as well and they go with a weekend schedule.

Granted, there are travel challenges for many of those previously mentioned conferences, but it isn't like the Landmark is challenged with its own version of travel problems.

There is a new commissioner in charge and we will have to get used to this augmented schedule - I don't see it going any where any time soon. However, I hope future changes are less drastic as we have seen overtime in this conference... which certainly needs some stability in many ways to help grow in the future.

I will step off my soap box again... thanks for reading, if you did :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 16, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
+k for the insight.

Selfishly, if I were back in the 'grove I would appreciate this schedule a lot more. The back-to-back doubleheaders were hard on the ... ahem... behind.

I feel sure that if this scheduling didn't work for some reason, the conference would make a change. I wouldn't want to see changes every year, or even every couple of years, but I see no reason to fear some tweaks til we hit on the schedule that works best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2013, 12:07:51 AM
Dave,
  If you talk with the Commish, you might ask him why Catholic and Goucher are in one region for men(Mid-Atlantic) and a different one for women(Atlantic). Also, when are the regional rankings going to be out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2013, 12:21:03 AM
  Next up for the Royals is a battle for 1st place @ Catholic; the hotels have few rooms left; many are expected to fly in 4 the contests; suspense is building and the women have a battle 4 2nd in the conference, also. The federal gov is sponsoring a presidential inauguration as part of the activities. Looking like a good weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2013, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2013, 12:07:51 AM
Dave,
  If you talk with the Commish, you might ask him why Catholic and Goucher are in one region for men(Mid-Atlantic) and a different one for women(Atlantic). Also, when are the regional rankings going to be out?

I have an answers to those already... that is the regions they have been in for as long as I can remember. Back when they were in the CAC... all of the CAC men's teams were in the Mid-Atlantic and all of the women's teams where in the Atlantic. This was done, I believe, to even off the regions (if you notice, the women's Atlantic region is far more equal than the men's).

Now, when the Landmark was formed, the NCAA (that being those who make the decisions in Division III, not those in the front office in Indianapolis) decided that they would not move the teams into different regions. The Landmark's formation actually caused a snag, per the men's side, as you had a number of teams in the Mid-Atlantic and just a few in the Atlantic. Furthermore, moving those Atlantic teams into the Mid-Atlantic made no sense due to geography.

I certainly understood this decision though I think it was the first time a conference had multiple regions represented, though the AMCC actually has been in two if not three regions as well (not counting the UAA which is clearly a major exception). It wasn't perfect, but it kept some strange regional shifts and regional games wouldn't be affected anyway. My mind was then changed recently when Hamilton joined the NESCAC. They are in the middle of New York state and thus the middle of the East region, but when they moved to the NESCAC the NCAA moved the school into an already over-crowded Northeast Region. This made NO sense to me per the precident.

Now, I know there is a serious push to realigned the regions in all sports for Division III as soon as next academic year. I support this as we all know the regions are clearly out of wack in terms of size and alignment. However, I have heard one of the strong recommendations from school presidents is to keep all conference schools in the SAME regions. This I think is a horrible idea for several reseasons: they won't be able to solve conferences like the Landmark, AMCC, NESCAC, etc. without major "whats?" in the equation; it won't solve major problems of size like in the Northeast Region; with the new regional games rules coming next year, the regions aren't as important. From what I have learned, the presidents want to make sure all of the teams in a conference are ranked accordingly in the same region and I am sure there are concerns of many conference teams being ranked more easily when they are in different regions.

I will certainly ask the commissioner when I get the chance to find out what he thinks of regional realignment and how it may or may not affect the Landmark.

Also... first regional rankings will be released February 6th... there will be three public rankings and once again the final ranking done at the end of the regular season that will help determine who is in and where they are playing... will NOT be released.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2013, 01:42:43 PM
 Thanks, Dave, I understand a conference being in different regions like the UAA, but I don't understand why a specific school would be in a different region for its men's team vs. its women's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2013, 03:07:19 PM
Remember there are more women's schools than men's... so when the CAC was split into different regions it had more to do with keeping the regions aligned evenly. Granted, the men could have been in the Atlantic as well, but that was where the decision was made.

It isn't that uncommon... the HCAC is in the Midwest on the men's side; in the Great Lakes on the women's side. The WIAC is in the West in the men's side; in the Central on the women's side.

Also keep in mind that the 8 regions for basketball are not the only regional make-up of Division III athletics, so other factors could have been involved in trying to keep the regions similiar in more than just basketball. That being said, one of the biggest reasons for regional realignment is the fact that it is getting confusing from sport to sport (especially when the "Central" and the "Midwest" are the same/similar region but with different names). In fact, a sport like lacrosse has just two regions which isn't enough. They need to be in four, but that decision could impact other sports as well. So... time for an overhaul :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pacerhorse on January 17, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 12, 2013, 06:29:52 PM

(As a side note, anyone "in the know" about swimming? How is Marywood a swimming-only conference member?)

Marywood puts the Landmark Conference with eight swimming programs. Moravian doesn't have a team. As far as I know, none of the Landmark schools have facilities capable of hosting a conference championship. Marywood just built an exceptionally nice facility two years ago, and hosts the Landmark meet every year.

Washington & Jefferson is similarly a men's lacrosse-only conference member.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Once upon a time the men's CAC teams were in the Atlantic as well. When Catholic played in the 1993 tournament (field of 40), it played Stockton. (Salisbury State also played in the Atlantic regional in 1992, but that was prior to their joining the CAC.)

When they tweaked regions in 1995 and the CAC got an automatic bid, it moved to the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
Scranton lost to drew?????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2013, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: pacerhorse on January 17, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 12, 2013, 06:29:52 PM

(As a side note, anyone "in the know" about swimming? How is Marywood a swimming-only conference member?)

Marywood puts the Landmark Conference with eight swimming programs. Moravian doesn't have a team. As far as I know, none of the Landmark schools have facilities capable of hosting a conference championship. Marywood just built an exceptionally nice facility two years ago, and hosts the Landmark meet every year.

Washington & Jefferson is similarly a men's lacrosse-only conference member.

Yeah - they are affiliates of the conference in these sports. Not uncommon... Catholic is an affiliate of the ODAC for football. I have heard the conference is looking to gather more affiliates to solidify or gain AQs in other sports... though, some feel it is better to expand and bring in more actual members to do this instead of affiliates - not sure which way the conference will ultimately go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 17, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2013, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: pacerhorse on January 17, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 12, 2013, 06:29:52 PM

(As a side note, anyone "in the know" about swimming? How is Marywood a swimming-only conference member?)

Marywood puts the Landmark Conference with eight swimming programs. Moravian doesn't have a team. As far as I know, none of the Landmark schools have facilities capable of hosting a conference championship. Marywood just built an exceptionally nice facility two years ago, and hosts the Landmark meet every year.

Washington & Jefferson is similarly a men's lacrosse-only conference member.

Yeah - they are affiliates of the conference in these sports. Not uncommon... Catholic is an affiliate of the ODAC for football. I have heard the conference is looking to gather more affiliates to solidify or gain AQs in other sports... though, some feel it is better to expand and bring in more actual members to do this instead of affiliates - not sure which way the conference will ultimately go.

Sorry, I guess I should have clarified. I know how affiliates work - Susquehanna is one for three sports (Centennial in football/women's golf, Empire 8 in men's golf). I guess I was just surprised to find we had an affiliate (well, now affiliateS) when there didn't seem to be any fanfare or announcement. I usually stay pretty up on the info.

However, the more the merrier, especially if it gains the Landmark AQs!

pacerhorse, I'm sure Marywood has a great facility, but USMMA hosted the Landmark championships for the first few years so I'm pretty sure they have a decent facility. Susquehanna also hosted MAC championships of yore, but I'm not sure they can handle the diving part of Landmarks.

While we're on the non-basketball track (sorry!), although this does have a tie to basketball, good luck to Scranton's cheerleading and dance teams at UCA Nationals this weekend!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pacerhorse on January 18, 2013, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on January 17, 2013, 08:29:05 PM

pacerhorse, I'm sure Marywood has a great facility, but USMMA hosted the Landmark championships for the first few years so I'm pretty sure they have a decent facility. Susquehanna also hosted MAC championships of yore, but I'm not sure they can handle the diving part of Landmarks.


It must not have been that great if the Landmark decided to add a new affiliate just to host the event. Didn't the Wilkes-Barre CYC always host the MAC Swimming Championships? I am almost certain that SU's Garrett Sports Complex isn't functional for diving. I agree with you overall. I like the Landmark, and more schools is better than a cluster of one-sport affiliates. Sure they should use them in sports like women's lacrosse, where the LC only boasts five programs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2013, 08:40:20 PM
Yeah, I'm kinda familiar with Susquehanna's facilities... ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2013, 10:09:22 PM
Scranton Catholic tomorrow. Scranton losses and they will be in a big hole for the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2013, 11:08:02 PM
  Things were looking good for the Royals with a 33-22 lead late in the 1st half and only Kearney doing anything for Catholic. But slender Limberiou got 4 offensive rebounds in the 2nd half and the Royals went cold themselves scoring only 6 points in the 1st 10 mins.
   Things we might have tried differently dept.:
      Being from the 'don't let 1 guy beat(Reed Buck-MMA, Luke Glass-Drew) you' school, and with Catholic's guards shooting 2-21, I would have let 1 of our guards help out with Kearney by fronting him when possible and letting the Catholic guards shoot.
      When Catholic played man-to-man, Tommy Morgan had 5 inches on the guy guarding him and could have been posting him.
   Looks like an interesting conference race this year.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2013, 09:46:26 AM
15 offensive rebounds and 17 2nd chance points. That is the difference.


Did watch the game, but did Scranton go big with both Boken and Pierce at all during the game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2013, 09:46:26 AM
15 offensive rebounds and 17 2nd chance points. That is the difference.


Did watch the game, but did Scranton go big with both Boken and Pierce at all during the game?

  Possibly, but only briefly.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
Of course that should say didn't watch the game. Pierce only played 9 minutes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on January 20, 2013, 11:29:20 AM
Scranton played small all game. However, Catholic's defense was big in the 2nd half holding Scranton to  just 15 ponts on 5 for 29 shooting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2013, 11:12:38 PM
This is a Scranton centric board these days (not their fault, anyone can post) but Chris Kearney's performance really is worth mentioning.  It was probably one of the best regular season outings by a big man...or frankly anyone...in a long time, for Catholic and the conference.  32 points...more than half his teams total...on 15-24 shooting.  Considering the opponent and the significance of the game it really stands out.  Really seeing senior leadership out of this class.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2013, 02:24:18 PM
I have liked Kearney's play all season. He was a key for me when I watched them at the Hoopsville Classic. I wanted to see if he would step up with his teammates. The fact he did and continues to do so while also finding other teammates to contribute has been a major factor for the Cardinals.

I was also impressed with comments I heard from Drew faithful at the SRC this weekend. In a conversation after the game behind me as I packed up, they talked that a) anyone can beat anyone it seems this season and b) Catholic is clearly the class of this league right now. I can't argue with much of that. I hate to say it and I know injuries have been a part of it, but I can't figure out if Scranton has just been on cruise control thinking last year's late season success would fuel them this year or if they aren't as good as even I thought they would be (they were in my preseason Top 25 and afterward for a good chunk of the season).

I would love to see the Landmark get two teams into the NCAA tournament, but right now I think CUA would have to be beaten in the conference title game for that to happen. Anyone else takes more losses between now and then and Pool C will look very doubtful for anyone but CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 21, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
This is Marywood's second year as an affiliate member of the Landmark Conference in the sport of swimming and diving. There was an announcement: http://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/swimdive/2011-12/releases/LCswim_marywoodaffiliate_9_1_11 (http://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/swimdive/2011-12/releases/LCswim_marywoodaffiliate_9_1_11).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2013, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2013, 02:24:18 PM
I have liked Kearney's play all season. He was a key for me when I watched them at the Hoopsville Classic. I wanted to see if he would step up with his teammates. The fact he did and continues to do so while also finding other teammates to contribute has been a major factor for the Cardinals.

I was also impressed with comments I heard from Drew faithful at the SRC this weekend. In a conversation after the game behind me as I packed up, they talked that a) anyone can beat anyone it seems this season and b) Catholic is clearly the class of this league right now. I can't argue with much of that. I hate to say it and I know injuries have been a part of it, but I can't figure out if Scranton has just been on cruise control thinking last year's late season success would fuel them this year or if they aren't as good as even I thought they would be (they were in my preseason Top 25 and afterward for a good chunk of the season).

I would love to see the Landmark get two teams into the NCAA tournament, but right now I think CUA would have to be beaten in the conference title game for that to happen. Anyone else takes more losses between now and then and Pool C will look very doubtful for anyone but CUA.

   Yes, the Royals are on cruise control, especially on defense, but winning out in the regular season, with a road victory @ Ithaca, should give them a shot at a pool C berth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
ronk - they already have 5 in-region losses... they have to win out to stay alive. With Moravian, Juniata, Ithaca, Catholic, Drew, and I dare say finishing the season at Goucher (I know the previous result, but the Gophers have been very tough at home) still on their schedule ... Scranton needs to buckle down and cruising on defense is going to cost them. One loss may keep them in the hunt... two losses are going to burst any Pool C hope.

Scranton's OWP outside of the Landmark .s 77-80 (.490) right now (not counting Ithaca since the game has not been played). The conference is actually helping Scranton, believe it or not. The conference OWP is 65-52 (.556) which boosts their OWP to a respectable 142-132 (.518). That helps... but it could change dramatically if a number of teams hovering around .500 tank.

I would love to see the conference get two bids... but teams have to start helping themselves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
Agreed -- presuming just the one additional in-region loss which is necessary for a team to be a Pool C contender, that puts Scranton at 21-6 overall, all in-region. Keystone was left on the board with that exact record last year, and a .504 SOS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
I think we are on the same page. My question to the scranton fans is what are they missing this year???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2013, 08:28:51 PM
  They need a challenge, backs-against-the-wall type of thing like the road game against MMA after losing at home to them this year and not just this year-they let themselves get 17 down to Messiah in the 2nd half in an NCAA tourney 1st round game last year before coming back to win in OT. Can't seem to psych themselves up to play defense with enough intensity to overcome poor shooting with the possible exception of the road victory @ Mount St. Mary's. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2013, 11:11:58 AM
Must win tonight at the Long Center. No audio so I will be doing the play by play in my head!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2013, 12:10:26 PM
 Dean's doing the audio from the women's game @ Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
Current standings after tonite's former travel partner games

CUA      6-1
Jun       5-2
Scr       5-3
Drew    3-4
Gou      3-4
MMA     3-5
Sus      2-5
Mor      2-5

My projected finish:

Scr       11-3
CUA      11-3
Jun         9-5
MMA       8-6
Drew      5-9
Mor        5-9
Sus        4-10
Gou        3-11

Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2013, 10:33:50 PM
Watched some of the game tonight Pierce was scoring inside with ease. Juniata up next
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 01:06:44 PM
ronk - I don't think Goucher goes without winning another game this season... especially at home - though, they have very few of those games left.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 01:23:13 PM
Freaking Catholic homers! I am not interested! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 24, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 01:23:13 PM
Freaking Catholic homers! I am not interested! ;D

Cant wait to hear that lovefest!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Huh... considering I am a Goucher grad... you have completely missed what the segment will probably be about, onetinsoldier.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2013, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 01:06:44 PM
ronk - I don't think Goucher goes without winning another game this season... especially at home - though, they have very few of those games left.

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Dave,
  Some things u might ask Coach Howes tonight on Hoopsville:

Landmark scheduling
-how's he like 7 roadtrips this year instead of 4 last year with the travel partner?
-why are there single games on Wed vs doubleheaders on Sat-is it to try both in the same year and judge which is better?
-do the men and women coaches each decide separately on the format or did majority rule for both bball groups?
Recruiting
Is Catholic really allowed to recruit Pennsyslvania players(Steve Limberiou) or should they be left for the Pennsylvania schools? :o

I coached Steve  Howes in youth baseball 1 year but u don't have to bring that up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 03:57:52 PM
Per the Wednesday schedule - that is based on missed class time from what another coach has told me. So instead of the women's or men's team or both missing more time on Wednesday for a double-header, only one team is traveling meaning they can leave later (usually the case for women) and miss less time. Thus the reason for the non-double-headers on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2013, 04:05:44 PM
 Sounds like a good reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
Yeah - I can bye into that reasoning... I just hate the fact the rivalry games will never see a Saturday at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Heard from cold case he apparently penned an article about this site and Mr.Coleman. He wants to know where Pat is working nowadays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Heard from cold case he apparently penned an article about this site and Mr.Coleman. He wants to know where Pat is working nowadays.

An "article?" In what, "People with Too Much Time on their Hands Monthly?" Seriously, he got booted from a message board after repeatedly bating the moderator ... not exactly a crime against humanity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Ha...Dave's a Catholic homer!  I'm not sure he's ever heard that accusation before...I'm sure he likes to see Landmark teams succeed but Catholic and Goucher have been battling since I was in high school and for a whole there it was a heck of a rivalry.   Programs went in different directions for various reasons after that but there's a history well before Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 25, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 24, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Heard from cold case he apparently penned an article about this site and Mr.Coleman. He wants to know where Pat is working nowadays.

An "article?" In what, "People with Too Much Time on their Hands Monthly?" Seriously, he got booted from a message board after repeatedly bating the moderator ... not exactly a crime against humanity.

Hey NEPA, i read the article as well.  it was well done.  CC has been an employed journalist and editorialist for many years, and from his colleagues that i know he is well respected.  I dont know many of the details behind his fights with the moderators, but unless there were some edited/deleted comments all of it seemed to be basketball related (you know Sunny, kind of the point of a d3hoops board...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on January 25, 2013, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 25, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 24, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Heard from cold case he apparently penned an article about this site and Mr.Coleman. He wants to know where Pat is working nowadays.

An "article?" In what, "People with Too Much Time on their Hands Monthly?" Seriously, he got booted from a message board after repeatedly bating the moderator ... not exactly a crime against humanity.

Hey NEPA, i read the article as well.  it was well done.  CC has been an employed journalist and editorialist for many years, and from his colleagues that i know he is well respected.  I dont know many of the details behind his fights with the moderators, but unless there were some edited/deleted comments all of it seemed to be basketball related (you know Sunny, kind of the point of a d3hoops board...


I'm not taking a side as to whether or not someone deserved to be banned.  (Although, I'd say from the repeated shots back and forth and the warnings given, I'd say he was LOOKING for something to happen at the very least ... kind of like a  coach who's trying to get a technical.) I'm pointing out how ridiculously self-indulgent it is to make such a fuss about it.  He must have a FANTASTIC life to devote this much energy to a fight hardly worth fighting.

And, no, it's not a "free speech" issue when it's a privately-run message board on a privately-owned server.

I still don't see how any reputable publication would run a piece about this non-issue - unless he has his own column. In which case, he can go ahead and expose his self indulgence in wasting space that could no doubt be otherwise used to write about something that actually interests other people.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 25, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
random question about the polls (since theyve been a subject here all season), according to the site The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

Do you publish the list of 25 anywhere, and also is it a list that changes annually? just curious, thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2013, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 25, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
random question about the polls (since theyve been a subject here all season), according to the site The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

Do you publish the list of 25 anywhere, and also is it a list that changes annually? just curious, thanks


That would open the voters up for harassment, bad idea.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2013, 01:32:59 PM
Not sure when Pat will get to this board, but I can try and answer that question:

- No, we don't publish the names of the voters. I suspect, in my opinion, that this is done to keep voters from being lobbied by teams who think they deserve to get into the Top 25. I also don't know of any Top 25 in the country that releases the names of their voters. There are some voters, like myself, who are public about the fact that they vote - I even release by ballot to the public - but even I don't know all of the voters who participate.
- There is some turnover on a yearly basis, but it really depends on a number of factors and the exact number is never the same.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 25, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2013, 01:32:59 PM
Not sure when Pat will get to this board, but I can try and answer that question:

- No, we don't publish the names of the voters. I suspect, in my opinion, that this is done to keep voters from being lobbied by teams who think they deserve to get into the Top 25. I also don't know of any Top 25 in the country that releases the names of their voters. There are some voters, like myself, who are public about the fact that they vote - I even release by ballot to the public - but even I don't know all of the voters who participate.
- There is some turnover on a yearly basis, but it really depends on a number of factors and the exact number is never the same.

Fair enough, it was more curiosity than anything.  The main reason i asked is that i have my doubts about a certain poster on here who goes by Sunny.  His posts are very similar to someone who writes on the centennial board under a different name (a violation of your site's policy), and an attempt to contact him via email was returned in-error.  A friend mentioned that this Sunny might actually be affiliated with a Centennial school and have a womens vote, and im just trying to decipher if thats the case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
I am fully aware of who sunny is and I have never seen this person post under another name. If you have an issue with a post, use the report to moderator function.

The D-I football polls publish the names of their voters, Dave, and so do the AFCA polls and the WBCA polls. I never saw a list of NABC voters when they used to have their own Top 20. Indeed, the list is not public to avoid them being subject to a lot of email. (I voted on a football poll in the late 1990s, pre-D3football.com, and I definitely got a lot of mail, a couple phone calls and as much email as the era would permit.

Voters are divided up by region, three for each of the eight regions (more or less) and myself as the 25th voter. (Because the men's Atlantic and East are smaller than the rest of the regions, they combine for five votes in any given year, rather than six.)

I don't publicly identify voters, other than people associated with the site such as Dave and Gordon, Keith on D3football.com, etc. If voters identify themselves, I have no problem with that. Some former voters who have identified themselves publicly as such include Bob Quillman, former Illinois Wesleyan broadcaster, Illinois College coach Mike Worrell, as well as former D-III coaches such as Williams coach Dave Paulsen and Marymount coach Bill Finney (women's).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2013, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
The D-I football polls publish the names of their voters, Dave, and so do the AFCA polls and the WBCA polls. I never saw a list of NABC voters when they used to have their own Top 20. Indeed, the list is not public to avoid them being subject to a lot of email. (I voted on a football poll in the late 1990s, pre-D3football.com, and I definitely got a lot of mail, a couple phone calls and as much email as the era would permit.

Thanks... I don't tend to go looking for the names, either, so thus I usually don't think most agencies release the names.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2013, 07:31:13 PM

Current standings; look at that battle for the 4th playoff spot

CUA      7-1
Scr       6-3
Jun       5-3
Drew    3-5
Gou      3-5
Mor      3-5
Sus      3-5
MMA     3-6

My projected finish: revised after 2 weekend road wins

CUA      12-2
Scr       11-3
Jun         9-5
MMA       7-7
Mor        5-9
Sus        5-9
Drew      4-10
Gou        3-11

Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2013, 07:41:12 PM
I'll be rooting for Jun on Saturday night in DC!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2013, 08:39:10 PM
Don't know why I would be rooting for Juniata on Saturday in DC since they are playing their tomorrow. Scranton with a great come from behind victory against a good Ithaca team on the road!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2013, 10:10:33 PM
  I suggested the services of the Lady Royals'(4th in the nation) foul-shooting coach; would have made the comeback win a lot easier as they miss final 5 FTs, including the front end of 3 1-and-1s.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2013, 10:06:24 PM


Current standings; look at that battle for the 4th playoff spot

CUA      8-1
Scr       6-3
Jun       5-4
Mor      4-5
Sus      4-5
Drew    3-6
Gou      3-6
MMA     3-6

My projected finish: revised after 2 weekend road wins

CUA      12-2
Scr       11-3
Jun         9-5
MMA       7-7
Mor        5-9
Sus        5-9
Drew      4-10
Gou        3-11

Your mileage may vary.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2013, 09:59:22 AM
With their win against Juanita don't see anyway that Catholic losses the regular season conference title.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 02, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
Final from the OW House - Susquehanna beats Scranton in OT. Here comes the second half surge!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2013, 12:41:21 AM
  I mentioned this morning to the coaching staff that local player Brandon Hedley was shooting well; turns out that he did a good pick-and-roll with Sellinger, also,, and only missed 1 FT.


Current standings; look at that battle for the 4th playoff spot

CUA      9-1
Scr       6-4
Jun       6-4
Sus      5-5
Mor      4-6
MMA     4-6
Gou      3-7
Drew     3-7

My projected finish:

CUA      12-2
Scr       10-4
Jun         9-5
MMA       7-7
Sus        6-8
Mor        5-9
Drew      4-10
Gou        3-11

Your mileage may vary.

Big game Wed: CUA-Sus
Big final reular season game: MMA-Sus
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
I would like to see a little shakeup in the Royals lineup. At this point it is conference title or bust.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2013, 11:36:30 AM
Is seems to me that through the years in every big game Scranton plays, they go up against a team that has one player that absolutely goes off on them & the Royals seem to have no clue how to stop them from taking over the game.
Years ago whenever they played Susquehanna, Josh Robinson was virtually unstoppable. Granted he was a former DI kid playing against DIII players but, have a plan.
Then Susquehanna went into the Spencer-Spencer mode of attack & again, generally no answer.
They could really never stop Asmer Capers of Drew, the kid from MMA has gone off on them for 3 years now, no answer for Lemons last year as he consistently drove the lane for layups & short jumpers.
Recently, Kearney from CUA scored 16 of their first 20 points & now yesterday having a freshman carry the Crusaders past the Royals with no real answer defensively.
Somewhat surprised from watching the game against CUA that Danzig didn't put his rookie in front of Kearney & his other big (Pierce) behind him to make life a bit more miserable down low & force CUA to have someone else beat them from the outside.
The Royals have the reining Defensive POY in Travis Farrell yet the matchup he goes with puts the Royals smallest player on Hedley???
Heard from someone that saw the game (I didn't), that Susquehanna scored something like 9 straight points very late to totally swing   momentum & he never called a timeout to settle things down...probably waiting for a TV timeout.
This is a somewhat difficult team to figure out...when they want to play defense, they are tough. When they are hitting from the outside it obviously opens things up underneath & they seem to score at will.
However, it sure seems like when their shots don't fall it affects their hustle on the defensive end, they get burned & then they get out of a rhythm & start taking crazier & crazier shots hoping the 3's get them back in it & the cycle of not scoring & getting beat on D continues.
Absolutely correct...Scranton must pull the upset (or, play to their potential), and win the Landmark on the road to get in.
There will be no at large for this team...far too many "bad" losses.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2013, 11:28:52 PM
I had a chance to see Catholic play Drew and it was interesting to see how things have evolved since I saw them last over the holidays.  Drew came out super hot...seemed like for the first 10:00 or so they didn't miss a shot.  I think they finished over 50% from 3 for the game with a lot of attempts.

Catholic eventually settled in, got some big shots from Holmes early to keep them in the game, and then started pounding the ball inside.  I thought Drew made a mistake by trying to play up tempo--it worked for them early but this is by far the most athletic Catholic team I've seen and you aren't going to win a track meet with them unless you have similar personnel.  Sure enough, it seemed like with a couple of minutes left in the first, Drew hit a wall in terms of fatigue, Catholic took the lead and then opened it up in the 2nd half.  Drew made a late run at getting it down to single digits at the end but the game was never in doubt.

Very balanced scoring effort, this team plays together well and the chemistry is obvious.  There's still not much (really any) scoring depth but 4 out of the 5 starters can all put up big numbers so that compensates for it a bit.

It was a very, very tightly officiated game...I'll leave it at that.  In the old days I'd have a lot more to say but I've matured...

It was basketball alumni night at DuFour and it was great to see so many familiar faces.  I'm sure I'll leave some out, but among those making an appearance were Matt Hilleary, Pat Maloney, Will Morley (who is still one tough looking dude), Kevin Wise, Pat Satalin, Pat Dwyer, Jeff Baccash, Matt Spirenberg, Mike Wasilenko, Blair Mills, Scott Fumai and Shane Sowden.  (I know there were others there).  Oh, and looking sharp in his blue and gold, Mike Lonergan arrived midway through the first.  Nice that he's still supportive of the program and hasn't forgotten his roots.  Those names won't mean much to the Landmark board, but over in CAC some of those guys will remember...most of those players won 70% or better of their games and played deep into the NCAA tournament.  The theme this year for Catholic has been living up to that tradition.  We'll see how it plays out but thus far they are.

Also, there was a nice ceremony presenting Shawn Holmes and Chris Kearney with 1,000 point balls.  They are the 39th and 40th players in the history of the program to reach 1,000. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
Saratoga,
  I'm generally on the same page with you. Make someone other than their best player(somebody who isn't used to making crunch-time plays) beat you by changing the defense when straight-up isn't doing it. We'll be looking for such adjustments this week with the return engagements with Luke Glass(Drew) and Chris Kearney(CUA).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2013, 08:03:25 AM
Hey Matt, I remember Spirenburg... then again, he's from my hometown.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Banzhaf busy playing ball in Europe?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2013, 09:05:58 PM
The Royals sneak out of Madison with a win tonight.
It may have been ugly, it may have sent Scranton basketball back 60 years...but, still a much needed win on the road & in OT no less.
Meanwhile, CUA is crushing Susquehanna in the Grove...all but locking up the top seed.
The Royals last possible home game of the year this Sat. vs. CUA...can they send a message we'll see you next week...or, does CUA come in a make a statement, not this year?
The only remaining tickets are through TicketMaster & StubHub...the first 4,000 fans get a copy of Coach Danzig's new CD..."Push".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 06, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
Yup, bad loss for SU. No shame in losing to the No. 8 team, but still.

BTW, 'toga, did you catch the Times' coverage of the Saturday games? The UofS hammering of the SU women got the top billing. The men's game got downplayed. Homerism much?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2013, 09:05:58 PM
The Royals sneak out of Madison with a win tonight.
It may have been ugly, it may have sent Scranton basketball back 60 years...but, still a much needed win on the road & in OT no less.
Meanwhile, CUA is crushing Susquehanna in the Grove...all but locking up the top seed.
The Royals last possible home game of the year this Sat. vs. CUA...can they send a message we'll see you next week...or, does CUA come in a make a statement, not this year?
The only remaining tickets are through TicketMaster & StubHub...the first 4,000 fans get a copy of Coach Danzig's new CD..."Push".

Don't they get a home playoff game as the two seed?

Grove how did SU make out on national signing day??!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2013, 10:19:08 PM
If they end up the two...not certain they will, they will be home.
Could be a loss vs. CUA & Moravian will not go quietly at home.
Their next two games will speak volumes as to how they enter the Landmark playoffs.

Grove: As for the Times coverage giving top billing to the UofS women...that's because Mr. Grove hasn't sent the memo to Scott Walsh to get off his butt & cover games beyond a 10 block radius of the Times Building.
The guy never covers games anymore unless the playoffs are a sure thing, then he acts, or should I say writes, like he's been covering them all year.
Phony Homerism to boot!  :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2013, 11:39:35 PM
  Royals were sloppy tonite with their passing and ballhandling but with a 5-pt lead in OT, Tim Lavelle made a strong catch of a contested inbounds pass, was fouled, and made both ends of consecutive 1-and-1s to ice the victory.
  Interesting technical on Travis late in 1st half- he was called for an offensive foul dribbling along baseline;he showed a slight displeasure with the call by moving his arm in disgust; the ref was surprised but didn't call a tech at that time; instead as he moved to the center to signal the offensive foul, he walked near Travis to give him the opportunity to say something additionally. Travis evidently obliged him so he called the tech at that point. Case of the ref looking to do it.
  Hopefully, the Royals can ramp things up, intensity and performance-wise. Since Sat will b the 1st home game in 2 months b4 the student body, I anticipate more enthusiasm from the fans, at least.


CUA      10-1
Scr         7-4
Jun         7-4
Sus         5-6
Mor         5-6
MMA       4-7
Gou        3-8
Drew      3-8

My projected finish:

CUA      12-2
Scr       10-4
Jun         9-5
MMA       6-8
Mor        6-8
Sus        6-8
Drew      4-10
Gou        3-11
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 06, 2013, 11:42:12 PM
NEPA, Marcinek landed the second coming of Josh Robinson and Spenser Spencer combined.  ;)

'toga, I duly gave Mr. Grove crap about said headline, but he can duck out by way of the fact that he doesn't work the sports desk. All he does is steal space from them for obits. Which may be why the U doesn't get enough hoops coverage.

Hey, at least you don't have Bucknell to compete with for coverage, as SU does.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 06, 2013, 11:42:12 PM
NEPA, Marcinek landed the second coming of Josh Robinson and Spenser Spencer combined.  ;)

'toga, I duly gave Mr. Grove crap about said headline, but he can duck out by way of the fact that he doesn't work the sports desk. All he does is steal space from them for obits. Which may be why the U doesn't get enough hoops coverage.

Hey, at least you don't have Bucknell to compete with for coverage, as SU does.


Sorry Grove, I was asking about Football, I need a team since Scranton doesn't have one!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2013, 10:14:04 AM
Any cancellations for tomorrow?


Is snow the only way Scranton can stop CUA?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 08, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
I just heard from Scranton that tomorrow's game with Catholic is still on. The Cardinals are apparently traveling north today so they'll hopefully beat the storm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
Though Keystone already adjusted their schedule... so CUA getting up there is good, but I hope they can get out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 08, 2013, 11:34:02 AM
The worst of it is supposed to be tonight and into tomorrow morning. By afternoon should be clear, so yeah, CUA should be able to get out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2013, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
Though Keystone already adjusted their schedule... so CUA getting up there is good, but I hope they can get out.

Storm Center Dave is tracking!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 08, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 08, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
I just heard from Scranton that tomorrow's game with Catholic is still on. The Cardinals are apparently traveling north today so they'll hopefully beat the storm.

the storm is supposed to be over by the time time us Northeast folk wake up tomorrow.  However the last time there was plowable snow (about 3 inches over chirstmas), the city of Scranton only had a few of the city's major roads plowed or even salted 2+ days after the storm.  So in reality, who knows!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 08, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Yeah, I'm with Onetinsoldier on this one. Who knows.

I hope to see the game, but I also hope not to careen off a snow-glazed I-476 into the tree tops of Jim Thorpe. So we'll see. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
Gordon:

Do you get one of the corporate boxes at the John Long Center
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 09, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
Sun's out here in NEPA. Some blowing snow to content with, but otherwise not bad. Looks like about six inches here in the Abingtons. Unless you're trying to make it in from Connecticut, I'd say it's not a bad day to head to Scranton for the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2013, 11:33:09 PM
  Royals hang on to defeat CUA, despite saving the special Kearney defense for a possible meeting in the conference playoffs. Royals clinch a playoff spot. Royals can finish anywhere from 1 to 3, but, most likely 2.They do hold Limberiou scoreless in final 9 mins; no way he can be left alone no matter what is going on with the other 4 players. Tim defended him well late and forced him to take a well-contested shot on at least one occasion.
  bits and bytes
      Early in 2nd half, Royals missed 6 consecutive shots from 5 feet or closer.
      Audio goes out eaely 2nd half(Harry Dammer pulling the plug?)
      Videocast doesn't swing to scoreboard during timeouts in final 6 mins, leaving non-scorekeeping viewers in the dark.
      Goucher does win a road game coming from way back to defeat Drew.


CUA      10-2
Scr         8-4
Jun         7-5
Mor         6-6
Sus         5-7
MMA       5-7
Gou        4-8
Drew      3-9

My projected finish:

CUA      12-2
Scr       10-4
Jun         9-5
MMA       7-7
Mor        6-8
Sus        5-9
Gou       4-10
Drew      3-11

Most remaining conference games will affect the playoff spots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:57:28 AM
Does Scranton know it can marry up its live stats with its Ustream video? That puts it all in one place for times that there isn't audio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2013, 02:22:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:57:28 AM
Does Scranton know it can marry up its live stats with its Ustream video? That puts it all in one place for times that there isn't audio.

Pat,
  I don't know; hopefully the SIDs can resolve it.

Gordon,
  Just listened to ur post-game interview with Coach Danzig and Travis Farrell. Nice job and glad you went the extra effort to take in the proceedings in person, especially with the big storm or did ur wife drive the car? ;). I thought, going in to the game, that the student body would be a positive factor with the 1st home game in 2 months. Intersession is a bummer, bball-wise, but that's the reality-it's not ur father's schedule, in a manner of speaking.
  I've always found Travis' dad to be knowledgeable and enthusiastic when I'd meet him at various road games. Hope we have a few more meetings b4 Travis' career comes to an end.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2013, 02:22:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:57:28 AM
Does Scranton know it can marry up its live stats with its Ustream video? That puts it all in one place for times that there isn't audio.

Pat,
  I don't know; hopefully the SIDs can resolve it.

Gordon,
  Just listened to ur post-game interview with Coach Danzig and Travis Farrell. Nice job and glad you went the extra effort to take in the proceedings in person, especially with the big storm or did ur wife drive the car? ;). I thought, going in to the game, that the student body would be a positive factor with the 1st home game in 2 months. Intersession is a bummer, bball-wise, but that's the reality-it's not ur father's schedule, in a manner of speaking.
  I've always found Travis' dad to be knowledgeable and enthusiastic when I'd meet him at various road games. Hope we have a few more meetings b4 Travis' career comes to an end.   



I had no audio problems last night, other than it not being available on the ustream feed. Where can I find the interviews Gordon did
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2013, 10:31:15 AM
on the front page of d3hoops under sat nite men's bball; a picture shows up to click start on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
Thanks, Ronk.

She usually sees one Division III game per year, so I try to pick one where the atmosphere is good. Scranton did not disappoint.

Made for a late night getting home though. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
Well done Gordon, and much appreciated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2013, 08:18:58 PM
My pleasure.  Here's our video recap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I1LieyQJVs
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2013, 12:34:29 PM
Gordon,


What is your take on the Scranton and Catholic squads this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/d-iii-players-kicked-off-team-following-harlem-174844769--ncaaf.html


Grove can you comment on this? What a joke!!!


I took in the game at Goucher last night and was treated to a good game at a nice facility. But no cheerleaders?

Playoffs are set... Catholic is a lock for pool c if they lose but what about the Royals?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
NEPA:
One month ago I had the Royals dead in the water due to some losses that truly should have been wins...especially home game losses vs. MMA, Keystone, St. Joseph's & Drew.
The reality is, they were all close games that could have went either way.
I certainly believe that any team that wants to be in the post season better take care of business at home, however the Royals didn't fold after those losses, in fact, they then went on the road & defeated both conference members Drew & MMA a few weeks later.
I actually believe that should Scranton win their first playoff game on Wed's. evening, it will give them 20 wins on the season & with everyone back pretty much at full strength, they have as much of a claim to a Pool C bid as anyone...(providing there are not too many conference championship upsets).
Just give them a shot, send them to the Amherst bracket & we'll go from there.
However, before getting too far down the road...all focus has to be on Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2013, 11:00:53 AM
NEPAFAN and ronk - it was good to see you guys last night at Goucher, I am sorry I didn't have time to chat with you guys more as I was busier than expected and some alumni were on hand that I hadn't seen in quite some time.

It certainly was a good game to be sure. I thought Goucher might get the win, but some untimely turnovers cost them in the end of a good shot at the victory. However, that shot to beat the shot clock in the first half has got to be one of the best shots I have seen ever. We have heard of buzzer beaters at the half or end of regulation, but that is the longest made shot to beat a shot clock buzzer (which sounded as the shot went in) I have ever seen. Coach Danzig's reaction was priceless.

As for Scranton's chances, as I said to Dean on the radio tonight, those ranked behind Scranton in the regional rankings are all "must win" teams with no Pool C chances. Those ahead of them are safer, but depending on how many teams that are locks to get in lose in their conference tournaments will be a major factor. Scranton has a decent SOS, but 6 losses has always been bubble territory and seven is a rare to get into the NCAA Tournament. If the Royals get to the championship game, I think they have given themselves a fighting chance, but if they lose in the semis I think they are done.

Another factor, they will have probably three teams ahead of them in the rankings when it comes to selecting teams (granted, I may adjust that thought after this week's rankings are released). That is a lot of teams to get into the tournament BEFORE Scranton even comes up in conversation. That means the Royals will probably not enter the conversation until at least 12, maybe 14, of the 19 teams have been selected... leaving very little cushion.

Even if Scranton losses in the conference title game, the bubble is going to be a very fragile one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
QuoteGordon,

What is your take on the Scranton and Catholic squads this year?

NEPAFan:

Despite Catholic's loss to Scranton eight days ago, I think the Cardinals have a chance to make a deep NCAA tournament run. I'd set the bar at an Elite 8 appearance and not rule out a Final Four if they get the right draw. Holmes strikes me as the difference between Catholic being a really good team and an outstanding one.  If he can play well and balance out Kearney down low, Cardinal is Salem worthy.

Scranton is a nice team with a good array of guards. When I put together the highlights after the game, I was surprised how many key plays where Tim Lavelle was involved. Danzig is a stud and Boken has a lot of promise. That's a great one-two punch to have for two more years. The Royals are good on the outside and raw on the inside, but so are a lot of other Division III teams.

Given some of Scranton's losses, it's too much of a reach to predict any kind of NCAA tournament run. I spoke to some people around the program about the Royals' at-large chances and they had the same read as Dave -- If they make the final, maybe they have a chance, but they aren't expecting a Pool C bid. But if they do get in the tournament, there's no reason they can't win a couple games. They've already shown they can beat the best team in the Mid-Atlantic/Atlantic regions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2013, 11:11:12 AM
Wesley losing to Salisbury certainly helps.


Understood that they won't get in nor deserve to if they don't take care of business on Weds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
Wesley probably still stays ahead of Scranton in the regional rankings... less regional losses (now three) despite their SOS being a .505 compared to a .535 (as of last week's numbers). Also, if we go to secondary criteria, a number of games Wesley played (i.e. Christopher Newport, Hampden-Sydney) come into play and that might give Wesley the edge... because it is results versus regionally ranked opponents, not winning percentage or wins :). Also, those games and others could really boost Wesley's SOS...

That all being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Wesley ends up behind Scranton in this week's regional rankings (hedging my bets here :))... but I really think Wesley stays ahead at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 18, 2013, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2013, 08:37:16 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/d-iii-players-kicked-off-team-following-harlem-174844769--ncaaf.html


Grove can you comment on this? What a joke!!!


I took in the game at Goucher last night and was treated to a good game at a nice facility. But no cheerleaders?

Playoffs are set... Catholic is a lock for pool c if they lose but what about the Royals?

Whatcha want to know?  ;)

From what I understand, this was the "last straw" in a pattern of behavior that the department has been trying to curb since the fall. I didn't get to any games this year, but if the basketball "rowdies" are still acting the same as last year, I can sort of see why.

On the other hand, the communications geek side of me wonders if there weren't a better way to handle it rather than skip straight to dismissal, as that is what made this thing blow up. It's not a case of "any PR is good PR."

(BTW, not that you asked me to comment on your second part, but Goucher's never had cheerleaders. Last I heard, they had a dance team and that was it.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I am very grateful that the university has video, especially after the debacle with D3hoops a few years ago.

But why do you send your radio guy on the road? Let Moravian call the game, provide video, etc.

I would rather have the complete package at home.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I am very grateful that the university has video, especially after the debacle with D3hoops a few years ago.

But why do you send your radio guy on the road? Let Moravian call the game, provide video, etc.

I would rather have the complete package at home.

Just a thought.

NEPAFAN... makes sense to me, though I am familiar with a number of schools that grapple with this. I think it comes down to one thing: your school and fans are more likely to be at the home game and not the road game, so they at least want their guys calling the road game than wasted on the home game. That being said, if I want to watch video, I am not turning on the radio side as well.

Again, I have been part of conversations that revolve around this... so I know how challenging these decisions can be on how you want to showcase your team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2013, 12:08:49 PM
I get it, and again I don't want to come off like a complainer.


But if I had F&M's feed with HD and score and time on the bottom, wouldn't be much of an issue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
Yeah... I know what you are saying. I also know that we have seen at D3sports that two streams don't tend get good numbers on audio-only broadcasts :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2013, 09:08:06 PM
Scranton kisses any NCAA bid goodbye with a double OT loss tonight at the Long Center.
Scranton defeats Juniata twice during the regular season...most recently 3 weeks ago by 21 points yet in the game that counts, it's Juniata that makes all the right adjustments & pulls this one out.
The Royals basically handed this one to Juniata on a platter...up 10 with 3 minutes to play & held scoreless...in addition to missing the front end of a 1 & 1 with 6 seconds left.
Five losses at home this year & no bid with the talent he has...unbefrickenlievable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
Wow.  I was sort of looking forward to Catholic-Scranton for the title game Saturday.  But Juniata was the other team to defeat CUA in league play this year so it will no doubt be a very tough game.  As Catholic can attest, Scranton's not an easy place to win a game for a road team.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2013, 10:30:08 PM
 Scranton will be @ Catholic for the doubleheader; just won't be bringing along the men's team. Will be rooting 4 the Cards, so that the Royals have 1 more chance in the Pool C than they would if Juniata gets the AQ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 20, 2013, 11:24:22 PM
Welcome to Susquehanna's world, Scranton. Seems we'd always beat Juniata in the regular season just for them to whup us in the playoffs.

ETA: And at least you made the sports front of the T-T for the game.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2013, 12:28:27 AM
For those interested, I will be broadcasting both Landmark title games at Catholic Saturday. The link is here: http://ustre.am/uA0t (http://ustre.am/uA0t).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: oiler on February 21, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Hey folks Dean Corwin here, while I don't post things here very often, if at all, I do check them out from time to time. Just responding to the reason to travel, many Dave has already mentioned.  Since we started whenever the men and women are double-booked (men and women playing at the same time in different places).  We have always decided to travel.  We have great community support and that is some of the reason why we have tried to stay on the radio.  Many of them still listen to the games and may not have computer access to watch or listen to the games online. 
Congrats to the Lady Royals for a tremendous effort last night in their victory.  Tough one for the men, still a great season, despite losing a bunch of seniors from last years team.
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I am very grateful that the university has video, especially after the debacle with D3hoops a few years ago.

But why do you send your radio guy on the road? Let Moravian call the game, provide video, etc.

I would rather have the complete package at home.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
Quote from: oiler on February 21, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Hey folks Dean Corwin here, while I don't post things here very often, if at all, I do check them out from time to time. Just responding to the reason to travel, many Dave has already mentioned.  Since we started whenever the men and women are double-booked (men and women playing at the same time in different places).  We have always decided to travel.  We have great community support and that is some of the reason why we have tried to stay on the radio.  Many of them still listen to the games and may not have computer access to watch or listen to the games online. 
Congrats to the Lady Royals for a tremendous effort last night in their victory.  Tough one for the men, still a great season, despite losing a bunch of seniors from last years team.
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I am very grateful that the university has video, especially after the debacle with D3hoops a few years ago.

But why do you send your radio guy on the road? Let Moravian call the game, provide video, etc.

I would rather have the complete package at home.

Just a thought.

Thanks Dean, it was a moot point after all as Harry Dammer was doing play by play on the video. On behalf of everyone who watches and listens, thank you for your service over the past few years. A disappointing end to the season, but I hope for some blue chippers and will root for CUA to represent the conference in the tourny!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
Matt:


My buddy, let's call him CC says there is no way you were looking forward to facing Scranton.



Scranton has owned Catholic lately.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
Why?  Catholic beat Scranton at home once already, and Catholic is undefeated at home this year.   Obviously you want to win the league, but the pressure is off a little bit because they should be in good shape regardless.  (Though of course playing at home next weekend could be on the line).   But it would have been an ideal opportunity to end the notion that your buddy, let's call him CC, expressed. 

That said, Juaniata is a good team that certainly earned the right to be the championship game.  Like Scranton they have to win to get in so I'm sure we're going to get their best shot and it will be a good game. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2013, 02:30:09 PM
If Scranton got to this game... they probably didn't have to win to get in... just saying.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2013, 02:30:09 PM
If Scranton got to this game... they probably didn't have to win to get in... just saying.

Don't rub it in Dave!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2013, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2013, 02:30:09 PM
If Scranton got to this game... they probably didn't have to win to get in... just saying.

Your analysis earlier seemed to have them borderline, based on the number of teams ahead of them in the regional rankings.  You really think that one win would have taken them off the bubble?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2013, 11:23:03 PM
No... they would have been on the bubble and any significant number of losses by lock teams would have kept them out, but they would have improved their SOS and their RvRRO so I think that would have allowed them to potentially move up the regional rankings and given them a shot.

I also said they probably didn't have to win to get in... :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2013, 09:59:25 AM
Totally a non-issuue at this point...however, as I indicated last week, had the Royals just made it to the Landmark championship game, I firmly believe they were in.
Naturally, there are always going to be upsets along the way that can change the dynamic of the Pool C allowable space.
However, given the rather consistent nature of upsets each year, when it all washes out this weekend I think two things will become fairly clear...the Royals would have made the field and they were their own worst enemy.
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2013, 11:23:57 PM
What a fantastic basketball game tonight.  Juniata played very well, got hot and led Catholic most of the way.  They got their 2nd half lead up to 8, then Catholic made a run to get up 4.  However, the Cardinals expended a lot of energy and seemed to get fatigued after they got up and promptly lost the lead again.  Back and forth it went the rest of the way, until Shawn Holmes channeled Will Morley in '01 (only Shawn had a tougher shot) to win it with 3 seconds left. 

Very happy for Coach Howes and the three seniors in particular.  All of them really stepped up this year.  Holmes had a huge second half with 3 massive clutch shots.  Great atmosphere at DuFour, lots of fun.  I'm hoping it won't be the last home game.

Congratulations also to the CUA women for their 20 point win over Scranton.  A really special year for CUA basketball...a combined 50-4 record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
Matt,
  Congrats to the Cards for the double win. I was there for the women's game which was great til the 10-min mark. >:( Then the seniors made some big plays for the Cards.
Left the men's game when I saw my friend wasn't one of the refs, but caught the video of the last 5 mins. Good luck in the NCAAs-you should probably host at least 2 rounds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2013, 02:44:26 PM
Thanks Ronk.  Well, we're hosting one round anyway...

Congrats to Coach Steve Howes and his staff for winning Coaching Staff of the Year.  Steve has had a program I have been proud off since he took over for Mike Lonergan.  He had huge shoes to fill but this is much deserved and he did a lot with a roster that I think surprised a few people this year.

Congratulations also to Chris Kearney for winning POY--without any lobbying from me!  He also won Defensive Player of the Year.  He made a huge leap this year as a senior and was a difference maker on both ends.   Senior Shawn Holmes and Sophomore Steve Limberiou also were named to the All Conference team.

Finally, for those that haven't seen it, here's the video of Shawn Holmes' game winner.  He made an incredibly tough shot against two defenders, both of whom actually defended it quite well.  Just an example of a player that was determined not to lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V14gztRXwo



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2013, 02:53:17 PM
Glad they reset the clock! Wow... a whole second did tick off after that went through!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
As a heads-up for those who don't already know, the Bracket Challenge is out! Our friends at d3photography.com manage our official picks contests:

http://d3photography.com/bracket_challenge/

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2013, 12:00:26 AM
Hard fought win tonight for Catholic against Staten Island.  It was pretty much worse case scenario as Chris Kearney got into foul trouble early and ended up only playing 20 minutes.  To top it off, Steve Limberiou also had 4 early and barely played in the second half.  In fact, Limberiou left the game with 16 minutes to go, Kearney picked up his 3rd and 4th within 30 seconds of each other and went out with 12:29 left in the 2nd.  To be honest, at that point I was worried--depth has not exactly been this team's strongest suit this year.

But you know what--dealing with adversity is what separates teams and this one is special.  Without a doubt, the player of the game was freshman Kevin Phanord, who in the 2nd half was sent in to guard Staten Island's John Chadwick-Myers.  Chadwick-Myers was killing Catholic in the first half--he had 16 in the 1st half.  He had 5 the rest of the way.  Kevin was all over him and completely bothered him.  In fact things got a little chippy and the two had to be separated at one point.  But that's exactly what he was sent in to do--Chadwick-Myers got very frustrated he was being shut down by a freshman and was way off his game.  The most underrated aspect of this Catholic team is that every single second of playing time at the point guard position is being played by freshman. 

Nate Koening stood out amongst the group of seniors for really stepping up and being aggressive when they needed him the most.  Staten Island didn't exactly help themselves by missing a whole bunch of free throws and I didn't think they had a ton of composure.  This was a tough, physical game--not the kind of game we've seen in the Landmark this year.  If this game had the officiating crew from last weeks' conference title game than those guys would have had a stroke and blown the whistle 50 times.  This crew let them play, except for the Center's (Staten Island's went out with 4 early as well.)

Great atmosphere, considering the students were on spring break.  The crowd wasn't quite as loud as last week but the place was still packed.  Coach Lonergan and at least five members of the Championship team as well as other basketball alumni were there.   Great to see that kind of support.  Win or lose next weekend, this team embodies what those guys were about more than any Catholic team since them.

Catholic plays Williams next, who squeaked by with a 1 point win over Wesley.  Site TBD...hoping for the best.  I will say that the Catholic staff did a tremendous job hosting this weekend.  It was really first class all the way and I hope the NCAA was noticing. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 03, 2013, 07:01:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2013, 12:00:26 AM
Hard fought win tonight for Catholic against Staten Island.  It was pretty much worse case scenario as Chris Kearney got into foul trouble early and ended up only playing 20 minutes.  To top it off, Steve Limberiou also had 4 early and barely played in the second half.  In fact, Limberiou left the game with 16 minutes to go, Kearney picked up his 3rd and 4th within 30 seconds of each other and went out with 12:29 left in the 2nd.  To be honest, at that point I was worried--depth has not exactly been this team's strongest suit this year.

But you know what--dealing with adversity is what separates teams and this one is special.  Without a doubt, the player of the game was freshman Kevin Phanord, who in the 2nd half was sent in to guard Staten Island's John Chadwick-Myers.  Chadwick-Myers was killing Catholic in the first half--he had 16 in the 1st half.  He had 5 the rest of the way.  Kevin was all over him and completely bothered him.  In fact things got a little chippy and the two had to be separated at one point.  But that's exactly what he was sent in to do--Chadwick-Myers got very frustrated he was being shut down by a freshman and was way off his game.  The most underrated aspect of this Catholic team is that every single second of playing time at the point guard position is being played by freshman. 

Nate Koening stood out amongst the group of seniors for really stepping up and being aggressive when they needed him the most.  Staten Island didn't exactly help themselves by missing a whole bunch of free throws and I didn't think they had a ton of composure.  This was a tough, physical game--not the kind of game we've seen in the Landmark this year.  If this game had the officiating crew from last weeks' conference title game than those guys would have had a stroke and blown the whistle 50 times.  This crew let them play, except for the Center's (Staten Island's went out with 4 early as well.)

Great atmosphere, considering the students were on spring break.  The crowd wasn't quite as loud as last week but the place was still packed.  Coach Lonergan and at least five members of the Championship team as well as other basketball alumni were there.   Great to see that kind of support.  Win or lose next weekend, this team embodies what those guys were about more than any Catholic team since them.

Catholic plays Williams next, who squeaked by with a 1 point win over Wesley.  Site TBD...hoping for the best.  I will say that the Catholic staff did a tremendous job hosting this weekend.  It was really first class all the way and I hope the NCAA was noticing.

Looks like Coach Howes plays 4 freshman in his rotation, led by 3 seniors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 12:05:41 PM
He does have four freshmen in the rotation including the starting point guard (for all games this season) along with twins who come in with one offensive threat and the other a defensive threat. They have gotten more and more deep as the season has progressed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
CUA heads to Williams on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 03, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
CUA heads to Williams on Saturday.

How come? Wasn't CUA high ranked regionally?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2013, 12:31:43 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.

It sounds like you would not have been surprised either way.  I'm not either, but it really wasn't fair to either team.  I understand why this tournament is the way it is, but the bottom line is that both of these teams are among the top 16, which means both should be at home...and they shouldn't even be playing each other.  They aren't the only two schools that shouldn't be meeting this early--I also understand that--but it doesn't make it stink any less.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.

wondering what you mean by criteria?  :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.

wondering what you mean by criteria?  :-\

Dave could have said other criteria since SOS is part of the primary criteria that the NCAA uses to make their ranking/hosting decisions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.

wondering what you mean by criteria?  :-\

Dave could have said other criteria since SOS is part of the primary criteria that the NCAA uses to make their ranking/hosting decisions.

Other being what? Besides SOS, W-L, W-L vs. tournament teams; regional ranking; winning the conference? What could other criteria possibly mean?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2013, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
CUA was higher regionally ranked (#2 vs. #3), but Williams criteria info was better than CUA's. CUA despite their record was #2 in the MA because of their SOS... Williams SOS is better and their criteria is better... so not surprised that CUA is having to travel.

wondering what you mean by criteria?  :-\

Dave could have said other criteria since SOS is part of the primary criteria that the NCAA uses to make their ranking/hosting decisions.

Other being what? Besides SOS, W-L, W-L vs. tournament teams; regional ranking; winning the conference? What could other criteria possibly mean?

From the D3hoops' FAQ:

What does the NCAA use to select and seed teams into the tournament?

These are the selection (and seeding) criteria:

The following primary criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP) (weighted 2/3).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP) (weighted 1/3).
- Add OWP and OOWP to give total strength of schedule
- See more info on men's SOS below
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Once an opponent is listed in a regional ranking, it is considered ranked throughout the process. (Once ranked, always ranked.)
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Division III men's and women's basketball committees. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents.

Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the basketball committee for selection purposes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
The NCAA committee can use any stat they want to place these teams.  The only stat they need is that Catholic is the regular season champion in the Landmark, as well as the tournament champion, while Williams finished second in the regular season and second in the tournament.  The NCAA has rewarded a second place team with a home game against a regular season/tournament champion.  Catholic beat the ODAC champion, as well as the CAC champion by 16 points.  Williams beat the CAC's second place finisher by 1 point!  Catholic beat a very good Transyvania by 26, as well as a very good Scranton team who went deep into the 2012 tournament. How can one determine who played a more difficult schedule when they have few, if any common opponents. This is not the first or second time they have taken it to Catholic.  BTW, how often does a regular season/tournament champion with a record of 25-3 have to travel in the second round, particularly to a second place team?  There isn't a coach or player who wouldn't be irate over such a decision!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
The NCAA committee can use any stat they want to place these teams.  The only stat they need is that Catholic is the regular season champion in the Landmark, as well as the tournament champion, while Williams finished second in the regular season and second in the tournament.  The NCAA has rewarded a second place team with a home game against a regular season/tournament champion.  Catholic beat the ODAC champion, as well as the CAC champion by 16 points.  Williams beat the CAC's second place finisher by 1 point!  Catholic beat a very good Transyvania by 26, as well as a very good Scranton team who went deep into the 2012 tournament. How can one determine who played a more difficult schedule when they have few, if any common opponents. This is not the first or second time they have taken it to Catholic.  BTW, how often does a regular season/tournament champion with a record of 25-3 have to travel in the second round, particularly to a second place team?  There isn't a coach or player who wouldn't be irate over such a decision!!!

well said. not to mention a smaller venue and a 450 mile bus ride.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 12:38:08 PM
Records aside, where I agree a 25-3 team with a slightly above average SOS should not be traveling in the second round, runners-up in better conferences host champions of other conferences all the time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
The NCAA committee can use any stat they want to place these teams.  The only stat they need is that Catholic is the regular season champion in the Landmark, as well as the tournament champion, while Williams finished second in the regular season and second in the tournament.  The NCAA has rewarded a second place team with a home game against a regular season/tournament champion.  Catholic beat the ODAC champion, as well as the CAC champion by 16 points.  Williams beat the CAC's second place finisher by 1 point!  Catholic beat a very good Transyvania by 26, as well as a very good Scranton team who went deep into the 2012 tournament. How can one determine who played a more difficult schedule when they have few, if any common opponents. This is not the first or second time they have taken it to Catholic.  BTW, how often does a regular season/tournament champion with a record of 25-3 have to travel in the second round, particularly to a second place team?  There isn't a coach or player who wouldn't be irate over such a decision!!!

You have barely mentioned any criteria here... being the conference champion or not is not part of the criteria; opponents beat for CUA only becomes relevant if they are common opponent to Williams (unless you are going really deep into the secondary criteria, which would you won't get to thanks to primary criteria); point spreads mean nothing in the grand scheme of things (again, unless there is a common opponent).

As Pat mentioned, second place teams are hosting conference champions in more places than Williams this weekend: Dickinson at Wooster, Calvin at UW-Stevens Point, Christopher Newport at Virginia Wesleyan, and Concordia (TX) at Mary Hardin-Baylor (same conference, though Concordia can't host anyway).

And the coaches know these situations all the of the time and I would hope they are explaining them to their student-athletes. Just because you win a conference title doesn't give you the right to host over someone from a better conference and with a better resume.

For comparison, data from the final public regional rankings with WP adjusted for the final games of the regular season along with vRRO if necessary and the final rankings per what I received:
CUA:
#2 in regional ranking, 21-3 (.875) region record, .528 SOS (may not have improved that much in the final week), 2-2 vs regionally ranked opponents

Williams:
#3 in regional ranking, 21-4 (.840) region record, .556 SOS (probably improved greatly with games against Middlebury and Amherst), 4-4 vs. regionally ranked opponents.

With that information... CUA wins the regional ranking and the region record; Williams wins SOS and record versus regionally ranked opponents. Because the SOS isn't close (and was probably a wider spread than we have data for)... I can see why this would be a toss up and why CUA certainly could have hosted - but I can not argue with the committee for giving the game to Williams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 04, 2013, 01:56:03 PM
While it would be nice to have your games at home. Believe me I wish Cabrini was playing at home. But they didn't this year. Some deserve it some don't. Not saying Catholic didn't deserve it. But the thing is just go win. Play with a chip on your shoulder. Prove everyone wrong. Just win!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
Catholic fans may find the Jostens Trophy finalists list more to their liking:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/jostens-finalists-announced
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2013, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
The NCAA committee can use any stat they want to place these teams.  The only stat they need is that Catholic is the regular season champion in the Landmark, as well as the tournament champion, while Williams finished second in the regular season and second in the tournament.  The NCAA has rewarded a second place team with a home game against a regular season/tournament champion.  Catholic beat the ODAC champion, as well as the CAC champion by 16 points.  Williams beat the CAC's second place finisher by 1 point!  Catholic beat a very good Transyvania by 26, as well as a very good Scranton team who went deep into the 2012 tournament. How can one determine who played a more difficult schedule when they have few, if any common opponents. This is not the first or second time they have taken it to Catholic.  BTW, how often does a regular season/tournament champion with a record of 25-3 have to travel in the second round, particularly to a second place team?  There isn't a coach or player who wouldn't be irate over such a decision!!!

You have barely mentioned any criteria here... being the conference champion or not is not part of the criteria; opponents beat for CUA only becomes relevant if they are common opponent to Williams (unless you are going really deep into the secondary criteria, which would you won't get to thanks to primary criteria); point spreads mean nothing in the grand scheme of things (again, unless there is a common opponent).

As Pat mentioned, second place teams are hosting conference champions in more places than Williams this weekend: Dickinson at Wooster, Calvin at UW-Stevens Point, Christopher Newport at Virginia Wesleyan, and Concordia (TX) at Mary Hardin-Baylor (same conference, though Concordia can't host anyway).

And the coaches know these situations all the of the time and I would hope they are explaining them to their student-athletes. Just because you win a conference title doesn't give you the right to host over someone from a better conference and with a better resume.

For comparison, data from the final public regional rankings with WP adjusted for the final games of the regular season along with vRRO if necessary and the final rankings per what I received:
CUA:
#2 in regional ranking, 21-3 (.875) region record, .528 SOS (may not have improved that much in the final week), 2-2 vs regionally ranked opponents

Williams:
#3 in regional ranking, 21-4 (.840) region record, .556 SOS (probably improved greatly with games against Middlebury and Amherst), 4-4 vs. regionally ranked opponents.

With that information... CUA wins the regional ranking and the region record; Williams wins SOS and record versus regionally ranked opponents. Because the SOS isn't close (and was probably a wider spread than we have data for)... I can see why this would be a toss up and why CUA certainly could have hosted - but I can not argue with the committee for giving the game to Williams.

With Randolph-Macon becoming regionally ranked in the final rankings, Catholic's record improves to 3-2(vrro) and wins that criteria on a % basis, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
This is true, ronk. But as you say, just in percentage... they do look at "results" and Williams "results" are against teams like Amherst, Middlebury and others. CUA's are against RMC, DeSales, Scranton (am I missing any?).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2013, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
This is true, ronk. But as you say, just in percentage... they do look at "results" and Williams "results" are against teams like Amherst, Middlebury and others. CUA's are against RMC, DeSales, Scranton (am I missing any?).

Missing St. Mary's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
Dave,
I think we can all agree it was a close call.  But it would appear that they chose to place MORE weight on SOS than any of the other "criteria" and I do have a problem with that, especially because it was close.  As has been said, there are no common opponents.   The SOS difference is entirely because of league play.  If anything, they should reward a team that plays in a weaker league and chose to play tougher non-conference games to make up for that.  Don't forget Husson, who made the tournament and Catholic beat 72-49.  I'm not sure how much more you could reasonably expect for a team. 

I can understand why Williams fans would be upset if their team was on the road, too, but if I didn't win my own conference and I was ranked third in my region, than logically (which doesn't seem to play into much of anything related to the NCAA), I wouldn't be real surprised to have to travel. 

I hope they do channel it.  I'm sure the players and coaches aren't dwelling on it at this point and are preparing for the game.  But the rest of us can vent.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2013, 04:04:16 PM
And yes, I'm very happy for Chris Kearney, a Jostens finalist.  I have heard nothing but outstanding things about Chris off the court.

It is a pretty special year when you have both a men's and women's player nominated for the Jostens award.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Matt... you want to reward a team for playing in a weaker conference and thus a weaker SOS versus a team that played in a more challenging conference, had a better SOS, and proved they could win with that schedule?

The .02 difference in SOS is sizable and it was probably a bigger spread since Williams played Middlebury and Amherst in the final week and Catholic played Merchant Marine and Juniata. And if we are looking at the primary criteria and basically all of them are a wash but SOS is the biggest difference - why shouldn't they give the team with the better SOS the host? If Williams and Catholic were up for the final at-large bid, they would use the exact same criteria and probably choose Williams because of the SOS.

Should we have the game between Wooster and Cabrini be played at Cabrini because the Cavs SOS was hurt so much by their conference?

Husson making the tournament does not help Catholic. There is no criteria for who in the tournament you played and Husson never made the regional rankings in any week including the last. Also, Husson doesn't exactly have a great WP and their opponents weren't that great... so that means a weak SOS.

Believe it or not... there are five criteria in the primary criteria and if most are a wash - and they pretty much are - and one is clearly better (and .02+ difference is noticeable)... then guess what... the SOS is the determining factor. It is just one of the criteria... but the others can't help make the decision. If they went to secondary criteria, there is a chance CUA would have gotten the bid thanks to the game with Transylvania counting in many parts... but clearly the SOS probably out-weighed having to go to secondary criteria.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Matt... you want to reward a team for playing in a weaker conference and thus a weaker SOS versus a team that played in a more challenging conference, had a better SOS, and proved they could win with that schedule?

The .02 difference in SOS is sizable and it was probably a bigger spread since Williams played Middlebury and Amherst in the final week and Catholic played Merchant Marine and Juniata. And if we are looking at the primary criteria and basically all of them are a wash but SOS is the biggest difference - why shouldn't they give the team with the better SOS the host? If Williams and Catholic were up for the final at-large bid, they would use the exact same criteria and probably choose Williams because of the SOS.

Should we have the game between Wooster and Cabrini be played at Cabrini because the Cavs SOS was hurt so much by their conference?

Husson making the tournament does not help Catholic. There is no criteria for who in the tournament you played and Husson never made the regional rankings in any week including the last. Also, Husson doesn't exactly have a great WP and their opponents weren't that great... so that means a weak SOS.

Believe it or not... there are five criteria in the primary criteria and if most are a wash - and they pretty much are - and one is clearly better (and .02+ difference is noticeable)... then guess what... the SOS is the determining factor. It is just one of the criteria... but the others can't help make the decision. If they went to secondary criteria, there is a chance CUA would have gotten the bid thanks to the game with Transylvania counting in many parts... but clearly the SOS probably out-weighed having to go to secondary criteria.
Dissing Merchant Marine and Juniata is unfair. MMA and Juniata are two very good programs. Their kids are tough and they play hard.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 04:30:47 PM
Who is to say that the Mid-Atlantic is weaker or stronger than any other region.  Most schools rarely play outside the region.  How can you compare with that being the case?  How many of those tournament champions traveling to second place venues have 25 wins along with regular season/tournament championships? With #8 playing #9, home court is crucial! 

My qustion is how many teams with regular season/tournament championships, along with 25 wins have had to travel in the second round?

Another question is why would Catholic and Williams be matched up in the second round?  Is it because of proximity?  Probably not!

It seems that Williams gets the home court because of Amherst's success.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2013, 04:42:53 PM
Yes but they (Jun. and MMA) aren't regionally ranked and that's what he's talking about.

For the record, I have Catholic at 4-2 vs regionally ranked teams, and Williams at 4-4.   To me that should be mean that Catholic should win that "criteria" but I am not the NCAA.  Apparently those extra 2 regional losses for Williams give them the edge and thus home court.   

And yes, Grad, these teams should not be meeting in the second round.  I'm sure they would agree with that as well. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:44:00 PM
I am not dissing them... this is an SOS argument...

In region records at the end of the regular season when the SOS numbers would have been done:
For Williams: Amherst 25-2 and Middlebury 20-3
For Catholic: Merchant Marine 13-11 and Juniata 20-9

The SOS for Williams would have gotten stronger because their final two games were against opponents with 45-5 records versus Catholic which had a combined 33-20 record.

A D3boards.com poster, KnightSlappy, who does a lot of the raw data math has Williams with a final SOS of .577 and CUA at .531... that is .046 - significant distance between the two. He even predicted CUA would finish #3 in the region behind SMC who had a better SOS number than CUA and beat them head-to-head.

Again... not dissing Juniata and Merchant Marine who are good teams... this is a numbers argument and their records didn't help boost CUA's to get past Williams which got a significant boost in the final week with the teams they played.

And Williams is getting home court because they also only lost four games this season with a very good SOS. And the Mid-Atlantic is not as good as the Northeast... I hate to tell you. The Northeast got more at-large bids (the Mid-Atlantic got one) because there are better teams playing better opponents. The bottom of the Landmark was certainly much improved, but when the SOS is tied into OWP and OOWP... CUA's hurt because DeSales conference is weak, Haverford and Washington with weak records and from a much weaker Centennial than even last year (certainly weaker than five years ago), Gallaudet with a weak record and from a not so impressive NEAC, Carnegie Mellon's conference helps... but their record outweighs the help. The only help was Randolph-Macon which did give CUA and extra vRRO result (so let's move that to 4-2 - still two games behind Williams) and brings with them the ODAC SOS numbers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 05:01:25 PM
You still can't determine if one region is better than another.  They simply do not play against each other enough times.  The bottom line is that a team who wins the regular season conference and tournament championship, along with 25 wins simply should be playing a home game against somebody!!!  And to send this team to Mass to play the 8th ranked team in the second round game is a major injustice. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 05:01:25 PM
You still can't determine if one region is better than another.  They simply do not play against each other enough times.  The bottom line is that a team who wins the regular season conference and tournament championship, along with 25 wins simply should be playing a home game against somebody!!!  And to send this team to Mass to play the 8th ranked team in the second round game is a major injustice.

But that is what the criteria is used for and the committee works very hard to make these determinations. There is NO criteria that says a conference champ should stay at home in the NCAA tournament and play who ever is not a conference champ. By the way, 25 wins is not their regional total. In fact it was 21. And to add to your ranking argument... the Top 25 voters have Williams #8 and CUA #9 - seems like the #9 team should be on the road then.

Quote from: LarryFromHome on March 04, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:44:00 PM

Haverford and Washington with weak records and from a much weaker Centennial than even last year (certainly weaker than five years ago)
What is the obsession you and your colleague in making fun of the centennial?  I've heard multiple times how it was a down year for the conference, yet Dickinson still somehow managed to win a game.  Mid Atlantic has 5 teams left, and had the national runner up last year.  no need to put down a conference or a region. 

and why hasnt cold case chimed in on this.  i'm sure he's as anxious as anyone to take a dig at the process!

There isn't any obsession with making fun of the Centennial... but they are admittedly down. The bottom of the conference is not that good and the middle is maybe average. Even those in the Centennial admit the conference from top to bottom is not that good. Congrats to Dickinson for winning a game - that proves the top of the conference is better than the conference champ (though, not the best team) from the OAC. But for comparison purposes... Cabrini comes from a lousy conference, the CSAC, but proved they were a pretty good team last year... that doesn't mean the conference from top to bottom is one of the best in the country... or even the region... it just proves Cabrini was that good last year.

Dickinson is good this year... but should they be hosting Wooster because Dickinson won the Centennial and Wooster finished #2 in the NCAC - not a chance.

Please read the basketball handbook where all of this is spelled out... you may not agree with the committees decisions, but they are following the criteria and making the best decisions they can based on that criteria: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2013/mens-basketball-championships-handbook (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2013/mens-basketball-championships-handbook)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
Love how the CUA contingent disappears only to reemerge to whine about the selection process.


Go up to New England and win just like Scranton did last year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2013, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:44:00 PM
I am not dissing them... this is an SOS argument...

In region records at the end of the regular season when the SOS numbers would have been done:
For Williams: Amherst 25-2 and Middlebury 20-3
For Catholic: Merchant Marine 13-11 and Juniata 20-9

The SOS for Williams would have gotten stronger because their final two games were against opponents with 45-5 records versus Catholic which had a combined 33-20 record.

A D3boards.com poster, KnightSlappy, who does a lot of the raw data math has Williams with a final SOS of .577 and CUA at .531... that is .046 - significant distance between the two. He even predicted CUA would finish #3 in the region behind SMC who had a better SOS number than CUA and beat them head-to-head.
Again... not dissing Juniata and Merchant Marine who are good teams... this is a numbers argument and their records didn't help boost CUA's to get past Williams which got a significant boost in the final week with the teams they played.

And Williams is getting home court because they also only lost four games this season with a very good SOS. And the Mid-Atlantic is not as good as the Northeast... I hate to tell you. The Northeast got more at-large bids (the Mid-Atlantic got one) because there are better teams playing better opponents. The bottom of the Landmark was certainly much improved, but when the SOS is tied into OWP and OOWP... CUA's hurt because DeSales conference is weak, Haverford and Washington with weak records and from a much weaker Centennial than even last year (certainly weaker than five years ago), Gallaudet with a weak record and from a not so impressive NEAC, Carnegie Mellon's conference helps... but their record outweighs the help. The only help was Randolph-Macon which did give CUA and extra vRRO result (so let's move that to 4-2 - still two games behind Williams) and brings with them the ODAC SOS numbers.

No, it was CUA that won the head-to-head match with St. Mary's; I know cuz u were there, Dave. ;) I got the vrro at 3(Scranton, St. Mary's, R-M) - 2(Scranton, DeSales).
  Now we want CUA to win, if only so we can have the same argument next week when they would meet the Va Wesleyan - Christopher Newport winner.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 04, 2013, 05:49:21 PM
Umm, Williams plays in the NESCAC.  In 2010, Williams made the national title game.  In 2011, Williams and Midd both made the Final Four, and Amherst made the Elite Eight.  2012 was a "down" year for NESCAC, and even still, Midd and Amherst both made the round of 32.  This year, NESCAC already has three teams in the Round of 32.  When was the last time that someone from Catholic's conference made it to the Final Four?   

Williams played FIVE games against two of the top seven teams in the country, going 2-3 in those five games.  Catholic played ONE game against a top 25 team, and none against anyone in the top 10.  I just don't see how it is an injustice that Catholic is not hosting.  These are two teams with very similar W-L records, but Williams plays in a tougher conference, and played a lot more games vs. elite opponents.  And the SOS numbers back it up.  I don't think that Williams deserves to host this game by a wide margin, and yeah, both probably deserve to host games this round, but I also see no argument for why Catholic should host that can't easily be shot down.  Winning a mediocre conference which earned zero at large bids is certainly not more impressive than losing by one point in the title game of a conference with three of the top seven teams in the country, and which has consistently sent teams to the Final Four, year in and year out, for the past decade.  To make a D-1 analogy, it's like being upset that a team which finishes second in the Big East has a higher seed than a team which wins the Atlantic 10. 

I agree that, ideally, these two teams should be meeting in the Sweet 16, but there are at least two other match-ups next round that are in the same category.  In all events, they are two very similar, and very evenly matched, teams, and I'd expect a game down to the wire regardless of the venue. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
Yes... I messed up with SMC and CUA... and probably the only reason SMC was ranked behind CUA was CUA's win. And I now do have CUA at 4-2 vRRO as they beat RMC who made the final regional rankings.

nescac1 - all valid points... though I wouldn't call the conference mediocre. It has improved greatly and remember a team from this conference beat Middlebury on their court last year in the Sweet 16 - they just couldn't get their act together with basically the same team this year to make an NCAA run.

As for anyone from Catholic's conference making the Final Four... the conference has been around six years and Middlebury got to the Elite 8. This conference is far more competitive than in years past... which is a good thing. Hopefully it will continue to improve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 06:16:29 PM
No shooting sleeves or flopping in the Landmark Conference. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
Go up to New England and win just like Scranton did last year!

That was a great night for the Mid-Atlantic, with Scranton and F&M knocking off NESCAC teams and Cabrini also winning to give the Mid-Atlantic three teams in the Elite Eight. It was especially sweet given some of the chatter before the games, including one Amherst poster who said video of F&M's previous game "made him feel much better" about winning. It would be nice to see Catholic go up to Williams and win this weekend, and for Dickinson to win at Wooster -- I think both teams have the pieces to win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
The injustice is not that Catholic is playing at Williams.  The injustice is that Catholic, at 25 - 3, is not playing at home! Catholic is 4-0 against teams in the tournament, two of which are still alive.
I would still like to know why the committee placed these teams together in the second round. It would make more sense for Catholic to stay in the Mid-Atlantic region playing a home game against somebody from the South or Atlantic regions.  To send the second ranked team from the MA region to williams doesn't make sense.  I think a case could be made that Catholic shouold be ranked first in the MA region.

I would also like to know how many teams with regular season/tournament championships, along with a 25 - 3 record have travelled in the second round.  There is no doubt that Catholic should be playing at home, as should Williams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
The injustice is not that Catholic is playing at Williams.  The injustice is that Catholic, at 25 - 3, is not playing at home! Catholic is 4-0 against teams in the tournament, two of which are still alive.
I would still like to know why the committee placed these teams together in the second round. It would make more sense for Catholic to stay in the Mid-Atlantic region playing a home game against somebody from the South or Atlantic regions.  To send the second ranked team from the MA region to williams doesn't make sense.  I think a case could be made that Catholic shouold be ranked first in the MA region.

I would also like to know how many teams with regular season/tournament championships, along with a 25 - 3 record have travelled in the second round.  There is no doubt that Catholic should be playing at home, as should Williams.

cugrad - for starters... the 25-3 record is not relavent... we are talking about a 21-3 record when making these decisions and when the bracket was put together. That is CUA's regional record at the end of the regular season and conference tournament. Secondly, it doesn't matter what their record against teams in the tournament is - the committee isn't allowed and doesn't use that information. And thirdly, Alvernia had an SOS of .552 to CUA's .531 in the end... and they were 5-2 vRRO to CUA's 4-2... not sure you can put put CUA ahead of Alvernia who was also 24-4 (more wins).

Yes... these two teams probably shouldn't be playing... but there are a lot of these match-ups in the tournament this year because the parity in the nation. But to assume a team from down south should come up to play you... please explain who while also considering the entire make-up of the bracket. You have to bracket everything and consider everything before you just say a team from the south (and it would not have been VWC, HSC, or CNU most likely) would have come to you in the second round. RMC... sure... but at least them playing WPI shows the committee was trying to be as geographically creative as they could. And I don't think CUA fans would want to see RMC right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Matt... you want to reward a team for playing in a weaker conference and thus a weaker SOS versus a team that played in a more challenging conference, had a better SOS, and proved they could win with that schedule?

The .02 difference in SOS is sizable and it was probably a bigger spread since Williams played Middlebury and Amherst in the final week and Catholic played Merchant Marine and Juniata. And if we are looking at the primary criteria and basically all of them are a wash but SOS is the biggest difference - why shouldn't they give the team with the better SOS the host? If Williams and Catholic were up for the final at-large bid, they would use the exact same criteria and probably choose Williams because of the SOS.

Should we have the game between Wooster and Cabrini be played at Cabrini because the Cavs SOS was hurt so much by their conference?

Husson making the tournament does not help Catholic. There is no criteria for who in the tournament you played and Husson never made the regional rankings in any week including the last. Also, Husson doesn't exactly have a great WP and their opponents weren't that great... so that means a weak SOS.

Believe it or not... there are five criteria in the primary criteria and if most are a wash - and they pretty much are - and one is clearly better (and .02+ difference is noticeable)... then guess what... the SOS is the determining factor. It is just one of the criteria... but the others can't help make the decision. If they went to secondary criteria, there is a chance CUA would have gotten the bid thanks to the game with Transylvania counting in many parts... but clearly the SOS probably out-weighed having to go to secondary criteria.
Dissing Merchant Marine and Juniata is unfair. MMA and Juniata are two very good programs. Their kids are tough and they play hard.

Tough kids who play hard is not part of the criteria. There are hundreds of schools with tough kids who play hard. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Matt... you want to reward a team for playing in a weaker conference and thus a weaker SOS versus a team that played in a more challenging conference, had a better SOS, and proved they could win with that schedule?

The .02 difference in SOS is sizable and it was probably a bigger spread since Williams played Middlebury and Amherst in the final week and Catholic played Merchant Marine and Juniata. And if we are looking at the primary criteria and basically all of them are a wash but SOS is the biggest difference - why shouldn't they give the team with the better SOS the host? If Williams and Catholic were up for the final at-large bid, they would use the exact same criteria and probably choose Williams because of the SOS.

Should we have the game between Wooster and Cabrini be played at Cabrini because the Cavs SOS was hurt so much by their conference?

Husson making the tournament does not help Catholic. There is no criteria for who in the tournament you played and Husson never made the regional rankings in any week including the last. Also, Husson doesn't exactly have a great WP and their opponents weren't that great... so that means a weak SOS.

Believe it or not... there are five criteria in the primary criteria and if most are a wash - and they pretty much are - and one is clearly better (and .02+ difference is noticeable)... then guess what... the SOS is the determining factor. It is just one of the criteria... but the others can't help make the decision. If they went to secondary criteria, there is a chance CUA would have gotten the bid thanks to the game with Transylvania counting in many parts... but clearly the SOS probably out-weighed having to go to secondary criteria.
Dissing Merchant Marine and Juniata is unfair. MMA and Juniata are two very good programs. Their kids are tough and they play hard.

Tough kids who play hard is not part of the criteria. There are hundreds of schools with tough kids who play hard. :)

I'd put MMA and Juniata against any team in the NESCAC. I think you misunderestimate how good they are.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 08:31:46 PM
Considering I have seen teams from both conferences... I wouldn't do that with the top of the NESCAC. Juniata is a very well coached team with some quality players... and Merchant Marine certainly has size inside with a very good coach... but that doesn't mean they are going to beat Amherst, Williams or Middlebury. I am not underestimating them in any way... but the top of the NESCAC has won a lot more games this season, in the NCAA tournament and made trips to the Final Four and won championships than either of those two teams... who had trouble beating some beatable teams this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2013, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 08:31:46 PM
Considering I have seen teams from both conferences... I wouldn't do that with the top of the NESCAC. Juniata is a very well coached team with some quality players... and Merchant Marine certainly has size inside with a very good coach... but that doesn't mean they are going to beat Amherst, Williams or Middlebury. I am not underestimating them in any way... but the top of the NESCAC has won a lot more games this season, in the NCAA tournament and made trips to the Final Four and won championships than either of those two teams... who had trouble beating some beatable teams this year.
don't forget Scranton either. Landmark was very competitive this year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 04, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Matt... you want to reward a team for playing in a weaker conference and thus a weaker SOS versus a team that played in a more challenging conference, had a better SOS, and proved they could win with that schedule?

The .02 difference in SOS is sizable and it was probably a bigger spread since Williams played Middlebury and Amherst in the final week and Catholic played Merchant Marine and Juniata. And if we are looking at the primary criteria and basically all of them are a wash but SOS is the biggest difference - why shouldn't they give the team with the better SOS the host? If Williams and Catholic were up for the final at-large bid, they would use the exact same criteria and probably choose Williams because of the SOS.

Should we have the game between Wooster and Cabrini be played at Cabrini because the Cavs SOS was hurt so much by their conference?

Husson making the tournament does not help Catholic. There is no criteria for who in the tournament you played and Husson never made the regional rankings in any week including the last. Also, Husson doesn't exactly have a great WP and their opponents weren't that great... so that means a weak SOS.

Believe it or not... there are five criteria in the primary criteria and if most are a wash - and they pretty much are - and one is clearly better (and .02+ difference is noticeable)... then guess what... the SOS is the determining factor. It is just one of the criteria... but the others can't help make the decision. If they went to secondary criteria, there is a chance CUA would have gotten the bid thanks to the game with Transylvania counting in many parts... but clearly the SOS probably out-weighed having to go to secondary criteria.
Dissing Merchant Marine and Juniata is unfair. MMA and Juniata are two very good programs. Their kids are tough and they play hard.

Tough kids who play hard is not part of the criteria. There are hundreds of schools with tough kids who play hard. :)

I'd put MMA and Juniata against any team in the NESCAC. I think you misunderestimate how good they are.

MMA put itself up against the NESCAC's 10th-place team and did manage to win by 8. Back-and-forth game in the second half. MMA didn't take the lead for good until the 3:29 mark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 08:49:48 PM
What is the point of having national rankings?  Alvernia is unranked nationally, yet are ranked #1 in the mid-atlantic.  Catholic is ranked 8th nationally, yet ranked second in the mid-adlantic.  Does that make sense?  Why not have Catholic where St. Mary's is?  Please dont tell me that there are plenty of matchups like CU at Williams.  I dont see it.  I was very impressed with RMC when I saw them play at Catholic, however, Catholic would not back down to RMC, particularly at home.  Home court in D3 is a major advantage.  Are you saying that Catholic is not as good today as they were in December?  Finally, I am well aware that Catholic will be playing at Williams regardless of my opinions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: toad22 on March 04, 2013, 09:21:16 PM
As a Williams fan. I am very happy that the Game will be played in Williamstown. I would, as many Catholic fans seem to be, aggrieved at having to travel to DC. There is no easy answer to this question. The good news is that there is a game to be played, and the NCAA will be sure that it will be fairly played. If Catholic wins, I will congratulate the team and the fans. There is nothing unfair about the process. Williams has been to the final 4 six different times in the last 15 years. At least one of those years we played on the road nearly the whole way. It can be done. You shouldn't feel that this is a death sentence. If you are better, you will likely win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 08:49:48 PM
What is the point of having national rankings? Alvernia is unranked nationally, yet are ranked #1 in the mid-atlantic.  Catholic is ranked 8th nationally, yet ranked second in the mid-adlantic.  Does that make sense?  Why not have Catholic where St. Mary's is?  Please dont tell me that there are plenty of matchups like CU at Williams.  I dont see it.  I was very impressed with RMC when I saw them play at Catholic, however, Catholic would not back down to RMC, particularly at home.  Home court in D3 is a major advantage.  Are you saying that Catholic is not as good today as they were in December?  Finally, I am well aware that Catholic will be playing at Williams regardless of my opinions.

National rankings tell you who the good teams are. What's the point of regional rankings which reward teams who play a bunch of above-average opponents but no ranked ones?

cugrad: Also playing this weekend, No. 5 UW-Whitewater at No. 3 North Central. It actually does happen fairly regularly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 04, 2013, 09:42:21 PM
Go Cards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 05, 2013, 06:15:34 AM
"I'd put MMA and Juniata against any team in the NESCAC. I think you misunderestimate how good they are." --Charles

Charles has also now made on several occasions the same cryptic and nonsensical comment about shirt sleeves and flopping. 

This is the same Charles notorious on the NESCAC board for any number of ridiculous statements about the relative caliber of NESCAC teams, including his continual insistence that Wesleyan was superior to Middlebury.  And the same Charles who dissed the caliber of play in the CCIW, another conference that has proven, year in and year out, the caliber of its programs.  I'm not sure what criteria Charles employs to evaluate basketball teams, but clearly, "ability to play basketball well" is not among them.  I don't think that anyone in NESCAC is exactly sweating Charles's assessments after he proclaimed that Wesleyan was the best team in the conference halfway through the season ...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 05, 2013, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on March 05, 2013, 06:15:34 AM
"I'd put MMA and Juniata against any team in the NESCAC. I think you misunderestimate how good they are." --Charles

Charles has also now made on several occasions the same cryptic and nonsensical comment about shirt sleeves and flopping. 

This is the same Charles notorious on the NESCAC board for any number of ridiculous statements about the relative caliber of NESCAC teams, including his continual insistence that Wesleyan was superior to Middlebury.  And the same Charles who dissed the caliber of play in the CCIW, another conference that has proven, year in and year out, the caliber of its programs.  I'm not sure what criteria Charles employs to evaluate basketball teams, but clearly, "ability to play basketball well" is not among them.  I don't think that anyone in NESCAC is exactly sweating Charles's assessments after he proclaimed that Wesleyan was the best team in the conference halfway through the season ...

Ok if you're going to play this way Jeff. First of all it is called a shooting sleeve and they even look silly on kids in rec travel basketball. Second I thought that IWU did look slow and did not think they should have been ranked 2nd because I thought that they would struggle against faster teams but they played great in their first round game, so good for them. Yes, I loved the PG from Wesleyan, have known him for years and thought that he was an excellent point guard. Sorry it didn't work out for him. I like the Landmark Conference becasue they have real good coaches, and I like their style of play. I have much respect for many of the NESCAC coaches. I have had many conversations with a number of them and gasp even went to high school with one of them. It's really the alumni that are the annoying ones  ;D. The sweater tied up on their shoulders over their Izod shirts, the Nantucket red pants, the Sperry top siders, the stiff upper lip. Just face it, if you could have gotten into an Ivy League School you would have gone, right? And the funny thing is, I have coached at one time 4 current NESCAC players before they went to off college, what?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 05, 2013, 09:41:38 AM
And this is why you have -65 karma, Charles ... I've never seen a single Williams student or alum wearing a "sweater tied up on their shoulders over an Izod shirt" or "Nantucket red pants" (whatever those are ...).  I think you've been watching a bit too much Caddyshack, as your only cultural reference apparently is 30 years dated.  You certainly haven't set foot on many NESCAC campuses in the past, I don't know, decade, if that is your image of how NESCAC students dress and behave.  And of course, at least half the students at Williams probably DID get into an Ivy league school (certainly at least half of my friends did, I can tell you that for a fact), but that's not really relevant to anything other than to your level of ignorance. 

Good to know that  your observational skills are as deficient in other arenas as they clearly are in hoops.  No one ever said that Sha Brown of Wesleyan wasn't a great player.  It was YOU who made the claim that Wesleyan was substantially better than Middlebury, when that claim was debunked, over, and over again.  If you want to say things that have no basis in reality, that is your right, but it kind of diminishes your overall credibility when you do.  You may not bbe impressed by IWU and other CCIW teams, but why should anyone care when those teams prove, again and again, that they are among the elite in D-3 year in and year out?  You may think Wesleyan (CT) is the best team in the country, but if they were, they wouldn't have finished eighth (barely) in NESCAC.  Just because you know and like a player doesn't mean that his team is automatically elite.  Just becuase you aren't familiar with teams (like in the CCIW) doesn't mean that they suck.  Results speak for themselves, and results show that your observations of basketball -- much like your observations about NESCAC students -- are rooted 100 percent in personal biases and your fervid imagination rather than, I don't know, REALITY. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2013, 10:28:47 AM
Okay, so anyway, there's a game Saturday between two outstanding schools with great basketball tradition, and two Jostens finalists will be on the court. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 05, 2013, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on March 05, 2013, 09:41:38 AM
And this is why you have -65 karma, Charles ... I've never seen a single Williams student or alum wearing a "sweater tied up on their shoulders over an Izod shirt" or "Nantucket red pants" (whatever those are ...).  I think you've been watching a bit too much Caddyshack, as your only cultural reference apparently is 30 years dated.  You certainly haven't set foot on many NESCAC campuses in the past, I don't know, decade, if that is your image of how NESCAC students dress and behave.  And of course, at least half the students at Williams probably DID get into an Ivy league school (certainly at least half of my friends did, I can tell you that for a fact), but that's not really relevant to anything other than to your level of ignorance. 

Good to know that  your observational skills are as deficient in other arenas as they clearly are in hoops.  No one ever said that Sha Brown of Wesleyan wasn't a great player.  It was YOU who made the claim that Wesleyan was substantially better than Middlebury, when that claim was debunked, over, and over again.  If you want to say things that have no basis in reality, that is your right, but it kind of diminishes your overall credibility when you do.  You may not bbe impressed by IWU and other CCIW teams, but why should anyone care when those teams prove, again and again, that they are among the elite in D-3 year in and year out?  You may think Wesleyan (CT) is the best team in the country, but if they were, they wouldn't have finished eighth (barely) in NESCAC.  Just because you know and like a player doesn't mean that his team is automatically elite.  Just becuase you aren't familiar with teams (like in the CCIW) doesn't mean that they suck.  Results speak for themselves, and results show that your observations of basketball -- much like your observations about NESCAC students -- are rooted 100 percent in personal biases and your fervid imagination rather than, I don't know, REALITY.
thank you for the angry response and misrepresenation of what I wrote, but I am very familiar with the NESCAC crowd and count many alumni as friends. and yes they have yachts and vacation on martha's vineyard. I think Amherst was the best team in the NESCAC this year, I just liked the Wesleyan back court and thought that they were pretty good, but it didn't happen. There is always next year.  I have never used a players name and I have never used the word "suck" because in the end they are just kids. So just remember "It's easy to grin / When your ship comes in / And you've got the stock market beat. / But the man worthwhile, / Is the man who can smile, / When his shorts are too tight in the seat".  :-*
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 05, 2013, 12:13:32 PM
If you've insultingly stereotyped an entire group of people, then insist on defending yourself by citing to friendships with members of the group you've stereotyped  (aka, the I-have-black-friends, or in this case, the I-have-NESCAC-friends defense), you've already lost your argument.  Clearly, by the way, I'm hanging with the wrong bunch of Williams alums, since none of my friends seem to have yachts or vacation homes!  And that's the last breath I'll waste in responding. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 05, 2013, 12:16:38 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2013, 10:28:47 AM
Okay, so anyway, there's a game Saturday between two outstanding schools with great basketball tradition, and two Jostens finalists will be on the court.

+k for the attempt to get things back on track.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
 Possibly, it's part of the secondary criteria for the hosting decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
ronk - I don't think we got to secondary criteria because that MAY have swayed towards CUA since their game against Transylvania would have been included and then their overall record, etc. With not know the answer first-hand... I am pretty sure this was a primary criteria decision already mapped out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2013, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
ronk - I don't think we got to secondary criteria because that MAY have swayed towards CUA since their game against Transylvania would have been included and then their overall record, etc. With not know the answer first-hand... I am pretty sure this was a primary criteria decision already mapped out.

I was unclearly referencing the exchange between Charles and nescac1 with my secondary criteria comment. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2013, 03:53:55 PM
ROFL - terribly sorry - well done indeed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 06, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
Misunderestimate? Oh I'm way too late.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2013, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: pg04 on March 06, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
Misunderestimate? Oh I'm way too late.


;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 06, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: pg04 on March 06, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
Misunderestimate? Oh I'm way too late.

I think Roger Clemens said that Andy Pettite must have 'misunderestimated'?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2013, 02:26:40 PM
Dave,
  I read your comment on media timeouts on the Nescac board; what's the Landmark policy? Is it up to the individual schools?
If I remember right, CUA had them during the Landmark finals, but Goucher didn't during the final regular season game 1 week earlier.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2013, 02:32:02 PM
Up to the schools at this point. Catholic actually used them all season - adding them after the Hoopsville Classic where we did use them as well. Stevenson, for example, has been using them all season, too.

Goucher has not been using them, nor do I see them adding them unless the conference decides it is something they want to add.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 09, 2013, 06:50:42 PM
I don't think there are many paid media outlets in the NESCAC that could make use of the media timeouts. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any commercial stations -- and not many student radio stations -- that cover the games. It's mostly student-staffed, department-directed video.  That doesn't mean they won't use them at some point, but it won't be to make money.

On a different note, congrats to Catholic on a great season. Kearney was a total stud with some of the best footwork I've seen for a Division III big man. It sucks that his season ended that way.  He handled it really, really well in the postgame, too.

Williams coach Maker called Bryson Fonville "one of the smartest point guards we've seen here in five years."  He's a nasty ball handler.  He reminds me a little of Corey Lemons at Cabrini, which is a nice comparison considering how his career went.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 09, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
Fonville is going to be a great one for Catholic.  I was impressed with how well Catholic hung in despite the misfortune with two key players out late in the game.  They could have packed it in, but instead gave the Ephs all they could handle.  The frosh twins are small and still learning how to find their offense, but they are very tough and quick, those two plus Fonville will give opposing teams fits for the next three years.  Fonville had two amazing plays, one I did not get to see (an around the back pass to Kearney for a monster jam) the other was a drive and then a reverse bounce pass through his legs to Limberiou for an open three.  Incredible play.  Limberiou by the way has one of the prettiest shooting strokes I've seen in D-3. he kept Catholic in the game until the Ephs finally started hitting their open threes late in the game.  If Catholic can find any sort of big guy to replace Kearney (the team's big weakness was no other interior player of note) they will be very tough next year, once again. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 10, 2013, 12:02:32 AM
Well, its obviously disappointing that on the biggest stage, our 2nd leading scorer didn't play at all, and the most important player on the team went down with 12:00 to go.  Against a team like Williams, that's just too much adversity to overcome.

But I'm proud of them for fighting.  I believe they had the lead when Chris went out.  Who knows what would have happened, but they certainly were showing they could play high caliber basketball on the road.  At the end of the day, it was still a fantastic season, and the seniors went out as conference champions  and with a tournament win.  I think it also brought a lot of the alumni, former players, and campus community together and to some extent reenergized the basketball program.  I know we're losing a lot next year, but there were some real growth in the underclassmen and this run certainly does not hurt recruitment. 

I hope the Cardinals are holding their heads up high on the trip back to DC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
Well... many schools are finding ways to insert ads into their webstreams, so while there might not be for-pay stations, school streams can be a source of some revenue and that will start happening in the near future (it already is at some places).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2013, 04:45:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
Well... many schools are finding ways to insert ads into their webstreams, so while there might not be for-pay stations, school streams can be a source of some revenue and that will start happening in the near future (it already is at some places).

Is that sufficient reason to affect how and when the game is played/delayed or should they be forced into running their ads during the existing non-media timeouts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2013, 05:05:27 PM
Yes because if you start getting advertisers, they want to make sure their content is seen. You can't guarantee them it will be seen when you can't guarantee even half of the timeouts allotted will be used. Media timeouts guarantee the advertiser's programming will be seen.

When putting together the Hoopsville Classic, I could tell advertisers their ads would be seen, say, six times a game because we had media timeouts to do it.

And the game is already affected by media timeouts at the championship games to the point that many in Division III realized they had to get these teams used to the scenarios. Too many times teams are walking out of timeouts when there was a still a full minute left to go because they aren't used to them. Coaches aren't used to the changes it will have on their substitution patterns and normal thinking when it comes to using their timeouts.

Also, many have reported that using media timeouts of 60 to 75 seconds have actually sped up their normal game times, not slowed it down. The biggest reason? Instead of four 1:15 or so timeouts and two 30 second ones... coaches have five 30 seconds ones (one has to be used in the first half or it is lost) and just one full timeout. It makes a big difference especially late in games.

Division III basketball rules allow for media timeouts and in an age of trying to find revenue dollars just to help maybe just make a dent in the spending especially for the video broadcasts to begin with, I think it is well worth it. And to be honest, I think it brings a sense of importance to the game because you aren't just playing for those in the gym... you are aware you are playing in front of many others tuning in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 13, 2013, 11:44:19 PM
Congratulations to Catholic's Coach Steve Howes and senior Chris Kearney for being named D3hoops.com Mid Atlantic Coach and Player of the Year.  Well deserved for both.

Congratulations also to CUA's Shawn Holmes and Scranton's Ross Danzig for being named 3rd team all Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2013, 01:17:54 PM
30 years ago yesterday the Royals were on top of the D3 basketball world! Here is hoping it isn't another 30 years!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2013, 02:43:21 PM
 They've just done a 30 for 30 segment on the D1 champs - NC State; maybe John A Walsh will have them do it for his alma mater(D3 champs), also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 02, 2013, 03:56:42 PM
So the conference carousel is not limited to the "big boys" - Elizabethtown is joining the Landmark: http://gosusqu.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/releases/0402_etown
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 04, 2013, 01:44:52 AM
I highly suspect we are no where close to being done with more teams coming to the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 04, 2013, 02:34:53 AM
 We may be running out of like-minded institutions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2013, 08:49:35 AM
Have heard from more than one source that there are Centennial schools exploring the Landmark. I wouldn't have thought that a couple months ago. Also, you'd have to think that MAC holdovers Lebanon Valley and Messiah would be interested in aligning with many of their former conference-mates. (For Leb Val, obviously, football is a consideration.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 04, 2013, 09:24:50 PM
Several years ago I heard of both Skidmore & Vassar kicking the tires.
They can't stop with 9 teams...I'm sure they'll be one more joining shortly.
With E-Town officially gone, perhaps the MAC will add like-minded Penn Tech to fill their void.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 04, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
My brother went to Penn Tech. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 04, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2013, 08:49:35 AM
Have heard from more than one source that there are Centennial schools exploring the Landmark. I wouldn't have thought that a couple months ago. Also, you'd have to think that MAC holdovers Lebanon Valley and Messiah would be interested in aligning with many of their former conference-mates. (For Leb Val, obviously, football is a consideration.)

Hmm. Centennial schools, eh? Wonder if the Landmark can/would pick up the three more needed for an AQ in football.

I guess with the new basketball scheduling, a travel partner is not needed for Etown?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 11, 2013, 01:44:34 PM
Extremely proud to say that the MAC thrives on diversity!   That's my experience after following Del Val and the conference since 1998!  Only slip up from my point of view, is discontinuing sponsorship of wrestling.   Otherwise, Mighty MAC!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 11, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Actually neither here nor there, but where did YOU go to college, Saratoga.   With disclosure, i graduated from Peirce College in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 13, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
I'm sorry, I thought I was on the Landmark board...  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 13, 2013, 10:17:26 PM
What happened to Lefty 2's post???   Not at all funny grove.   ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 14, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
Not meant to be funny. It's great that you're proud of the MAC and all, but no one here was running down the MAC, only sharing news and speculation on the new LANDMARK conference-mate and what more could be happening in the LANDMARK down the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on April 15, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on April 14, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
Not meant to be funny. It's great that you're proud of the MAC and all, but no one here was running down the MAC, only sharing news and speculation on the new LANDMARK conference-mate and what more could be happening in the LANDMARK down the road.

Kate, Grove,

First, I can take a joke.

My wrestling comment was in direct response to Kate's post, but since there is no wrestling in the Landmark, I chose to delete it after Grove pointed out that I was in the wrong room.

With that, I believe Kate was defending her beloved MAC in response to Saratoga's comment:  "With E-Town officially gone, perhaps the MAC will add like-minded Penn Tech to fill their void. "

I'm not sure if he was 'running down' the MAC, Penn Tech (now Penn College), or both.  I'm quite sure he wasn't complimenting them.

I do find it interesting that at least one current Landmark school and one very-soon-to-be Landmark school would be willing to lower themselves to participate as affiliate MAC members in certain sports.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 15, 2013, 10:44:22 AM
Thank you, Lefty!  Plus "k"   Exactly what i was thinking.   Thank you, too, to Gordon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 15, 2013, 12:29:30 PM
Actually, Lefty, my comment was NOT aimed at you.

Look, I don't want to get into some sort of message board war here, but I do find it curious that it's OK for a poster to come onto the Landmark board frequently and snot about "like-minded" institutions and how "some" ex-members of a different conference are missed and others are not, yet when I speak positively about the conference my alma mater is currently in, that's not OK (as evidenced by the karma dings I've taken).

Like I said, if you love the MAC, that's great. Yak it up on the MAC board then. If you want to tell us, as a member of the MAC, that E-town is a great or bad conference-mate and add that to the Landmark discussion, groovy.

But just because someone on the Landmark board says they prefer being in the Landmark to being in the MAC, or shares the news that a MAC member is moving to the Landmark, does not mean anyone has to come into the Landmark board waving the "rah rah MAC" and/or the "Landmark sucks" flags.

Of course, I am not Pat, or a moderator period, so this is naught but my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 15, 2013, 12:36:42 PM
Just love the terms "snot"  &  "groovy"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on April 15, 2013, 12:52:39 PM
On an unfamiliar computer when i just posted the previous comment, but now on mine - The Reason i miss Scranton & Drew is BECAUSE they were in the Freedom.   I didn't even know Susquehanna and Juniata.   I do however know Moravian very well as it's in the town immediately next door to Easton.   I didn't say a word on here about E'town that was derogatory.  And yes, how did you know my allergies were bothering me, so you could use the term "snot" i suppose.   I believe in the formation of new leagues for few reasons, two being geographic and financial.   Anyway - people don't read rants - just be thankful others are on your site - nothing worse than wallowing in obscurity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 16, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Grove:

You're overlooking the post that Lefty2 mentioned and the one that drew Kate's response.

QuoteWith E-Town officially gone, perhaps the MAC will add like-minded Penn Tech to fill their void.

That's obviously a shot at the MAC since Penn Tech is basically a two-year technical school.  When someone makes that kind of post, there's going to be a retort, regardless of the room.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 17, 2013, 01:59:18 PM
Guys and Gals,

Check out this site:


http://d3recruits.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 17, 2013, 03:56:24 PM
NEPA,
  Nice catch; 2 of them(York,Salisbury) were prospects that I tried to interest in the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 18, 2013, 07:06:41 PM
Wow! That's a really cool website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 01, 2013, 11:36:35 PM
Another Susquehanna fan has invaded Scranton territory! The Grovelette arrived last Monday, 7 pounds 11 1/2 ounces, 20 inches. She even got her first publicity in Marty Myers' Sunday T-T column.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 02, 2013, 11:57:09 AM
Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 02, 2013, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on May 01, 2013, 11:36:35 PM
Another Susquehanna fan has invaded Scranton territory! The Grovelette arrived last Monday, 7 pounds 11 1/2 ounces, 20 inches. She even got her first publicity in Marty Myers' Sunday T-T column.  ;D

Good timing-born in the slow offseason; hopefully, she'll be sleeping thru the night by ball season. good health to mom and baby!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 02, 2013, 03:11:27 PM
Ditto Mailsy and Ronk!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 02, 2013, 09:08:10 PM
What no live posting from the hospital? Congrats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 17, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Royals' non-conference sched now posted(except 4 2 2nd-day tourney games); will b playing Keystone in return match @ former Scranton CYC which was our home court b4 the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 09, 2013, 09:50:35 PM
Damon Brooks(Goucher) update:
   At my health club yesterday, I saw a guy wearing a Damon Brooks t-shirt from the fund-raiser game and asked how things were going; he said Damon has made progress and there is hope for more in the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
There is always hope, ronk... from what I have heard he is doing as well as can be expected. He would like to return to school, but there are some inherent challenges that go with that. Not much more info I have.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 23, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
 Release of Md schedule today shows exhibition w Catholic Nov 3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 05, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
Scranton is noted in a preseason publication as a top 10 breakthrough team. Ross Danzig is honorable mention All American.


Scranton brought in a point guard from the Philly Catholic League, an athletic Wing from Jersey and a big man. Small class this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on September 05, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 05, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
Scranton is noted in a preseason publication as a top 10 breakthrough team. Ross Danzig is honorable mention All American.


Scranton brought in a point guard from the Philly Catholic League, an athletic Wing from Jersey and a big man. Small class this year.

what was that preseason publication?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 05, 2013, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Charles on September 05, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 05, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
Scranton is noted in a preseason publication as a top 10 breakthrough team. Ross Danzig is honorable mention All American.


Scranton brought in a point guard from the Philly Catholic League, an athletic Wing from Jersey and a big man. Small class this year.

what was that preseason publication?

Sporting News ( I had to look it up). I think they are early this year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 05, 2013, 05:15:12 PM
Which issue?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
Not sure. I assume their college basketball preview issue. They don't have it online.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 06, 2013, 07:50:14 AM
Anyone have news on USMMA with the govt
Shutdown? I see they cancelled their soccer and football games...basketball at risk too?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
Well, practice doesn't start until Oct. 15, so there's some time, I suppose, but they can't practice without coaches.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
Centennial Conference doesn't start until Oct. 22.  Does any other conference start at a later date?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 07, 2013, 08:45:15 PM
This is going around other boards... but NESCAC Nov. 1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2013, 10:16:01 AM
Can we kick off some chat here as we turn the calendar to November?

Scranton needs to replace their Point Guard Travis Farrell this year. Their starting five as I see it:


PG Freshman PJ Kelly ( Philly Catholic League) - Any reports on what kind of player he is?
G- Tommy Morgan
G-Ross Danzig
G-?
F-Brendan Boken

any reports from the rest of the league?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
Catholic @ Maryland, Sunday(1 PM-570 AM on your radio dial)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
   Scranton SID announces that former Royals' cager Jim Dooley passed away yesterday. I was a teammate of Jim for 1 year and he was as good a distance shooter as there was in college bball then(before the 3-point era), and had a highly successful high school coaching career in the Central Pennsylvania area through the present.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
 Catholic loses to Md 84-39 after leading 10-8. Recap is on Cards' website; boxscore and play-by-play r on Terps web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 04, 2013, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
   Scranton SID announces that former Royals' cager Jim Dooley passed away yesterday. I was a teammate of Jim for 1 year and he was as good a distance shooter as there was in college bball then(before the 3-point era), and had a highly successful high school coaching career in the Central Pennsylvania area through the present.

Sorry for the loss Ronk, not sure if you were close with Jim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2013, 04:22:09 PM
 Catholic got considerable playing time from 2 frosh 6-7 Jared Prince(Loyola(IL) Academy) and 6-4 Corey Stanford(Penn-Trafford(PA)). So, they've replaced Kearney and Koenig in size, if not ability.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2013, 06:19:33 PM
Landmark preseason poll:

The results of the 2013-2014 Landmark Conference preseason poll are as follows:

Rank   Team   Points
1.   Scranton (4 first-place votes)   59
2.   Juniata (2 first-place votes)   47
3.   Catholic   43
4.   Merchant Marine Academy (2 first-place votes)   42
5.   Susquehanna   24
6.   Drew   19
7.   Moravian   15
8.   Goucher   7

  One would think Goucher would have a minimum of 8 points, even if everyone voted them last, so I'm unclear how many points a team gets for each position. I agree with the order although Susquehanna and Drew should be closer in points to the top 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2013, 08:44:40 PM
A bit of a surprise in my opinion. Give it to Catholic until they lose it.

The write up again hints that Tommy Morgan is moving to PG. Not sure what that will look like.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2013, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 04, 2013, 04:22:09 PM
Catholic got considerable playing time from 2 frosh 6-7 Jared Prince(Loyola(IL) Academy) and 6-4 Corey Stanford(Penn-Trafford(PA)). So, they've replaced Kearney and Koenig in size, if not ability.

Correction:   Jared Prince is a Junior who missed last season with an injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 12, 2013, 02:57:59 PM
Dmac:

Break down the conference for us ( all two of us) will ya?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2013, 04:05:18 PM
HA... in that case I am putting Goucher at the top so everyone can have fun ridiculing me! :)

Tough to break it down, I think.

Catholic - despite the losses, CUA is still a darn good basketball team especially with reportedly good size additions inside. Also, the Phanord twins are a year more experienced that revealed they are a tough duo. I like Limberiou who I think will be more comfortable in his roll this season. Their schedule does not impress me. They have Randolph-Macon, Dickinson and DeSales on there... so that is good, but they are also playing some teams that will not help their SOS. The games against Scranton and Juniata will probably be key.

Drew - this could be an interesting year. They have two seniors and a host of juniors. They play NYU early and may face Morrisville State in the second game of the season, but that is about all the challenges I see in the out-of-conference schedule. They really struggled last season in the conference and with how strong the top of the conference is this season... I don't see that changing. The big key is two of their top scorers last year are gone... leaving a lot of places for others to have to step up to and that may not happen. That being said, teams that have a lot of juniors have been known for being a surprising team especially a year ahead of when people would expect it... I am just not expecting it this season.

Goucher - well... I would love to sing praises for my alma mater, but I have learned over the years to just wait. They got off to a great start last season but laziness from a few players, including the disappointment that became Trae Lindsay sunk them (remember how good he was his freshman campaign? He NEVER lived up to those expectations despite breaking a few records at Goucher). This year's squad brings in a new look and different dimension in terms of how they want to run their offense and who their go-to guys are... but it is also a work in progress to get news guys who will see a lot of playing time on the same page with everyone else. The team shocked Howard in a scrimmage, but that was forgotten by the time they played the alumni who they lost to the other night and struggled throughout the game. Granted, the alumni were of the younger generation and were playing really well under alumn star Gerard Garlic's guidance and coaching... and Goucher was not playing with Livingston who will be a major factor this year. But I am not holding my breathe for a breakthrough season. They do have a rather challenging schedule with Navy, William and Mary and even Ferrum. If they don't get demoralized in the out-of-conference... who knows what might happen.

Juniata is one of the sleepers, despite being predicted to finish second by the coaches. They were a sleeper last year that just couldn't get over the hill in the title game against Catholic. They could be the team that leads this conference from start to finish, believe it or not. I think Coach Curley has a very experienced and tough team that will certainly not surprise teams, but may dominate more than in previous years. There are seven seniors on the roster... so there is also a feel of "make it or break it" and with guys like Sholly, Stapleton, Mellot and Hays leading the way... watch out. Their schedule is tough to read right now. I do see Dickinson on there... but two of their tournaments read "TBA"... so not sure how that will impact things.

Merchant Marine is my other sleeper. Danny Nee is one of the best coaches in the country... and especially in this conference which already has Curley, Danzig and Howe among some other really good coaches (seriously, this is a deep conference when it comes to coaching). This is a bit of a young team, but with good leadership in guys like Wisely and Beck (the two seniors). Last year's record was more indicative of the challenges they have a MMA with players traveling and being on board ships during part of their school year. However, I see them fighting for another playoff spot and maybe even a chance to host a game if things go right for them. They also have some games on their schedule that will get them ready for the conference... and I key on the NYU game as a barometer for both teams. They also play RIT, Kenyon, Potsdam State and Stevens which will be great tests.

Moravian - I am always routing for the Greyhounds because I love Coach Walker... but I am not sure what to make of them this season. They have a young team outside of the three seniors... but Blake English is one of the best players in the conference. I think they will need the ball to bounce their way more times than not to have a really good chance in this conference. Otherwise, I think they will be lost in the middle again - splitting their season with tough losses and surprise wins. Their out-of-conference schedule has some really good teams on it for them... and if they can do well there and boost their confidence, that can be a good spur heading into the meat of conference action.

Scranton, as always, will be a contender. Danzig should be pretty darn good this season and of course Morgan can be a difference maker. However, no one else jumps out at me. There are plenty of roll players, but I see a younger team in terms of experience than maybe other do. It will come down to one thing: avoiding the mid-season slump which the Royals seem to have every year. Last year it was the three-game slide to Merchant Marine, Keystone and St. Josephs that kind of derailed the train as it where. Scranton needs to play the best 25 games possible with only Cabrini, Ithaca (if they are good) and Catholic guaranteed good games on their schedule (they could play Randolph-Macon if either team wins or losses in the tourney in the early part of the season - otherwise, this isn't a great schedule).

Susquehanna - here is another team with a lot of youth despite three seniors. Sellinger is a good player, but he needs more weapons around him to really shine and raise this team up from last year's disappointing outcome. Hedley is going to be a major factor for teams, but they need someone to step up after losing Ortmyer. No one else really contributed this year... so look for guys who didn't see a lot of action last season be asked to rise to the challenge this year. That being said, I don't see them battling for a playoff spot.

So I see the conference finishing as such:
1 - Juniata - too strong and will win some close, tough games
2 - Catholic - better than advertised when only losing Kearney will be a factor
3 - Scranton - not sure they can put an entire season together and there are more teams than CUA to worry about
4 - Merchant Marine - I just want to see them succeed and I think they have the pieces to do it
5 - Moravian - will have a chance to fight for a spot in the playoffs, but will be inconsistent which could hurt them
6 - Susquehanna - I don't think they have enough pieces to put up a great fight - they will win some surprises, but not enough
7 - Goucher - not sure they have a team that will gel soon enough or maintain consistency long enough to be a factor
8 - Drew - too many questions and too many holes to fill from a team that struggled a lot last season
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2013, 07:20:28 PM
  Goucher vs Navy tomorrow nite @ 7(videostreamed for those who can't wait 4 the games this weekend). Opportunity to see the development of Goucher's Troy DeShields - his Scranton game at the end of the season(27 points, 9 rebounds) was very impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2013, 10:59:12 PM
Troy has improved and even seemed to have gotten stronger... but it will be his teammates that need to really help him by being able to shoot outside to keep defenses from sagging... and get him the ball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
Thanks Dave:

How did Goucher do against Navy?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
 Goucher struggled against Navy. No interior effectiveness against the D1 Patriot leaguers. They should be more effective against D3 foes, especially DeShields.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 15, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
Losing Hillary (actually Hilleary?) Uh, that happened around 2003.  I think you mean Kearney.   ;)

But, your prediction on Limberiou is off to a good start--he dropped 33 (!) on Westminster tonight in a CUA win.

Had a chance to go to the Maryland game with the kids (well, the older 2).  We had fun.  CUA was competitive for the first 2/3rds of the first half.  Got worn down--seemed like Maryland had second chance opportunities on every shot they missed, and then they got hot from long range. 

Cardinals have Loyola coming up--this time a D1 game that counts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2013, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 15, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
Losing Hillary (actually Hilleary?) Uh, that happened around 2003.  I think you mean Kearney.   ;)

But, your prediction on Limberiou is off to a good start--he dropped 33 (!) on Westminster tonight in a CUA win.

Had a chance to go to the Maryland game with the kids (well, the older 2).  We had fun.  CUA was competitive for the first 2/3rds of the first half.  Got worn down--seemed like Maryland had second chance opportunities on every shot they missed, and then they got hot from long range. 

Cardinals have Loyola coming up--this time a D1 game that counts.

LOL - I clearly have names all running together... sorry about that. I did mean Kearney :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 10:30:38 AM
Scranton just seems to win big non-conference games each year. A lot of respect for Coach D, his staff and players. They do a great job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2013, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 10:30:38 AM
Scranton just seems to win big non-conference games each year. A lot of respect for Coach D, his staff and players. They do a great job.

Ross Danzig is Landmark Player of the Week. Not a bad week for the Danzig family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 18, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
Scranton will have a game at Cabrini on the 26th we shall see how well they do on the road, it seems tough to win in Radnor, but Scranton usually squeaks it out somehow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2013, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Clutch on November 18, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
Scranton will have a game at Cabrini on the 26th we shall see how well they do on the road, it seems tough to win in Radnor, but Scranton usually squeaks it out somehow.


I'd beg to differ if you are talking about at Cabrini.  Last year(2012) at Scranton. Scranton 74-73 over Cabrini. 2012 neutral court. Cabrini 78-58. 2011 at Cabrini. Cabrini 71-68. 2010 at Scranton. Scranton 77-64. 2009 no game. 2008 at Cabrini. Cabrini 81-64. 2007 at Scranton. Scranton 80-61. 2006 at Cabrini. Scranton 89-60. (Cavs went 5-20 that year Scranton 19-7.) So in that period of time, which D3Hoops has records, Scranton is 1-2 at Cabrini, 3-0 at home and 0-1 on a neutral site. So if you are talking about at Cabrini no they don't. Just some facts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
referring to the team this year, Cabrini has new team and Scranton is looking better than last year. The stats don't lie true, we shall see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
referring to the team this year, Cabrini has new team and Scranton is looking better than last year. The stats don't lie true, we shall see.

Scranton is 2-0 but let's not get too crazy yet. I am a big fan, but the next two games should be telling. Miseri at home and @Cabrini
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
hear ya NEPA.....guess this weekend down in Maryland will show how good Cabrini will be this year some tougher competition on their schedule this year it seems....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on November 19, 2013, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
referring to the team this year, Cabrini has new team and Scranton is looking better than last year. The stats don't lie true, we shall see.

Scranton is 2-0 but let's not get too crazy yet. I am a big fan, but the next two games should be telling. Miseri at home and @Cabrini

Misericordia at home is telling? How so? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2013, 09:28:46 PM
  Royals top Misericordia 69-54 in my 1st viewing of the season; they were weak defensively in the paint, giving up some layups and follows to the quicker opponents, but benefitted from Miseriable shooting outside the paint. The freshman W, Sean Cummings looked good offensively with quickness, athleticism, and a soft, accurate touch. Didn't show as well on defense, however. Justin Klingman continues with a strong contribution off the bench.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Charles on November 19, 2013, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
referring to the team this year, Cabrini has new team and Scranton is looking better than last year. The stats don't lie true, we shall see.

Scranton is 2-0 but let's not get too crazy yet. I am a big fan, but the next two games should be telling. Miseri at home and @Cabrini

Misericordia at home is telling? How so? ???

Good team that is 2-0, and always plays the Royals tough. Obviously Cabrini is a higher quality opponent.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
Susquehanna showed the ability to control some tempo for the various segments I watch of them vs Lycoming online. Looked to make a bunch of easy plays, high percentage shots, rebounded well. That's a good win on the road for them. They certainly seem capable of beating someone on any given night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2013, 10:06:17 AM
Scranton plays Cabrini tomorrow night at 8pm.

Great test for Scranton after beating Randolph Macon at home. The Royals will need to play a complete game if they are going to win. I believe Cabrini will have live video..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 25, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2013, 10:06:17 AM
Scranton plays Cabrini tomorrow night at 8pm.

Great test for Scranton after beating Randolph Macon at home. The Royals will need to play a complete game if they are going to win. I believe Cabrini will have live video..

Yes they will. Both men's and women's contests will be good games. Wishing I could see the women's game. But I'll be there live for the men's contest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 25, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
 I see that the feature Cabrini player(Aaron Goodman) of last year's game is playing for Gwynedd-Mercy this year and has 3 double-doubles already.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on November 25, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
first time catching up with the Landmark board since last season. I have two responses, both for ronk.

You can't vote for yourself in the preseason coaches poll, so that's why Goucher, picked to finish in last place by all seven other head coaches, received only seven points.

Also, I appreciate you sharing the news about Jim Dooley. Before getting back into sports info., I was the sports editor of a small daily newspaper in south-central Pa. and we covered Jim's teams at Gettysburg H.S. and later at Delone Catholic H.S. He certainly had a knack at getting the most out of what he had to work with. And it was certainly never hard to get a quote out of him!

Best of luck to all the Landmark teams in 2013-14.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2013, 11:17:51 PM
  Solid victory for Cabrini over Scranton. Walton-Moss regained his form from last season with a total game, much better than his 2 games in the Hoopsville this past weekend. Scranton was -13 in TOs; need to take better control of the ball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 27, 2013, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: gouchersid on November 25, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
first time catching up with the Landmark board since last season. I have two responses, both for ronk.

You can't vote for yourself in the preseason coaches poll, so that's why Goucher, picked to finish in last place by all seven other head coaches, received only seven points.

Also, I appreciate you sharing the news about Jim Dooley. Before getting back into sports info., I was the sports editor of a small daily newspaper in south-central Pa. and we covered Jim's teams at Gettysburg H.S. and later at Delone Catholic H.S. He certainly had a knack at getting the most out of what he had to work with. And it was certainly never hard to get a quote out of him!

Best of luck to all the Landmark teams in 2013-14.

If you don't mind me asking, gouchersid, which paper? I'm a south-central Pa. native and my husband used to work at a paper there as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2013, 08:42:31 AM
Scranton took Cabrini's first couple of punches but it seemed  like the Cav's didn't miss a shot. Moss should be playing D1 ball.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 28, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
the scary thing is AWM has just started to show what he can do...... :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2013, 09:20:05 AM
I don't see how he could have improved on his performance against Scranton the other night.

Ya got inside information?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on November 29, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
In response to The Grove, I did two stints at the Gettysburg Times, the first time ending up as the sports editor and then returning for nine months as sports editor before coming to Goucher. Where did your husband work?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 30, 2013, 07:41:04 PM
Hey NEPAFAN.    He scored 40 today against Widener, and he had a bad game LOL.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2013, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 05, 2013, 06:19:33 PM
Landmark preseason poll:

The results of the 2013-2014 Landmark Conference preseason poll are as follows:

Rank   Team   Points
1.   Scranton (4 first-place votes)   59
2.   Juniata (2 first-place votes)   47
3.   Catholic   43
4.   Merchant Marine Academy (2 first-place votes)   42
5.   Susquehanna   24
6.   Drew   19
7.   Moravian   15
8.   Goucher   7

  One would think Goucher would have a minimum of 8 points, even if everyone voted them last, so I'm unclear how many points a team gets for each position. I agree with the order although Susquehanna and Drew should be closer in points to the top 4.

After digesting the nonconference games and the personnel changes from last season, I project a tighter conference finish from top to bottom:

Scranton       10-4
Juniata            9-5
Catholic          8-6
MMA               7-7
Susque          6-8
Drew              6-8
Goucher         5-9
Moravian        5-9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 01, 2013, 04:44:53 PM
Thought Scranton would be even more dominating with the guys and size on their team, the coach and players work very hard would have thought they would have another win under their belt but the season is far from over.  Scranton has more potential based on their coaching and players, thinking they will be one of the best at crunch time in the Mid Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Clutch,
  I read your discussion with Dave McHugh on the CSAC board and suggest that Scranton needs a true PG to reach that point of success. They haven't had one since Randy Arnold(Landmark-1st year) and while the motion offense lessens the need for a true PG and they've used decent wing or shooting guards to do the ball-handling, when it comes to crunch time against the good teams or defense against a quick opponent, the lack can be the difference. There was hope for the frosh PG, but I understand he's been injured and hasn't played to date.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 09:30:23 AM
Thanks Ronk, now that you mention it, they do lack a true pg to take it to the hole in crunch time.  Danzig seems to fill the role when they need a basket but a PG is a essential as you say.  Thank you for your comment.  Despite the open offense disguising the need for a pg, they do shoot well from the corners but they do get exposed late in game as you say.  If they cannot shoot well it seems over for them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 02, 2013, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on November 29, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
In response to The Grove, I did two stints at the Gettysburg Times, the first time ending up as the sports editor and then returning for nine months as sports editor before coming to Goucher. Where did your husband work?

I guessed it might have been there. My husband worked over in Hanover at The Evening Sun. He's also a Baltimore native. Small world.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2013, 01:24:11 PM
Great piece on CBS Washington about the Catholic men's basketball program.  Kudo's to CUA's SID or whomever made this happen--it is not easy to get coverage like this in the DC market.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/04/catholic-mens-basketball-eyes-return-trip-to-d-iii-dance/

Cardinals take on D1 Loyola tonight in Baltimore--hopefully they can keep it close. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2013, 03:38:32 PM
Why doesn't someone tell me when I make incoherent posts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2013, 01:46:12 AM
Well, I'd say Catholic more than held their own---went into halftime time with Loyola and eventually lost 87-75.  Very impressive showing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on December 05, 2013, 11:30:11 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2013, 01:46:12 AM
Well, I'd say Catholic more than held their own---went into halftime time with Loyola and eventually lost 87-75.  Very impressive showing.

Cards were down only 5 with 8 minutes left, they competed pretty well against a very good Patriot league team. They look like they play a team with no Seniors and play mostly underclassmen. I think they have a chance to be pretty good come January.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
 Except for the post-up moves of Loyola's Dylan Cormier, there wasn't much difference between the two teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 05, 2013, 08:04:44 PM
Very refreshing to hear this.....thank you Catholic for a good representation for D3 and your conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2013, 09:36:38 PM
 And Loyola only lost by 10 at #12 Connecticut a week ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 06, 2013, 08:42:28 AM
Sweet....just goes to show d3 can be credible basketball too not that it was ever in question to those who know already....the fact of D3 being a pure form of the sport without all the entertainment budgets and less dollars or incentives for academic scholarships is inspiring to all the student athletes who work hard at this level.  They are just as good or faster in some cases despite lack of size. Great to hear.
One may question whether or not the d1 opponents take a d3 opponent as serious and if they played on the level of play they usually play at in their conferences though.  Having said that it would not be fair to generalize this premise unless I was personally at the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2013, 09:03:37 AM
Grove:

who do you have today Scranton or SU? do you have the little one in a susq onesie yet? Please send you address and I'll send all the Scranton baby gear you can ever want!

;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2013, 11:15:01 AM
Saw a pretty incredible game this weekend between Merchant Marine and Goucher. First and foremost, it was the second annual fundraiser for Damon Brooks who was in attendance for the game. They had a silent auction during the game and I suspect Merchant Marine even helped with a few of the items - I can't help but think maybe Danny Nee helped get a Dr. J/Abdul Jabar signed basketball for the event - though, I forgot to read the description of who may have donated the item.

Anyway, Goucher jumped out to a 12-1 lead thanks to three straight 3's from Jesse Mondry... then Merchant Marine took control, taking a 40-28 lead at the half! I pretty much thought this was over not because it was only a 12-point deficit, but because USMMA was completely in control and only allowed Goucher to score 16 points for the last 15 minutes of the half. However, the second half was nearly all Goucher... outscoring the Mariners 44-25 to win 72-65.

I think USMMA is a good, solid team... as they always are. They can run up-tempo, believe it or not... are stout on defense... and can hit from all spots on the floor. Goucher just finally started playing basketball and upped the defensive pressure forcing some ill-timed turnovers and despite missing plenty of layups, were able to capitalize on the other end.

I also witnessed the strangest occurrence surrounding a technical foul. Trevino got T'ed up (apparently rightly so according to my father who was closer to it than me and indicated Trevino had a case for his argument) and USMMA shot their free throws. They then inbounded the ball in front of the Goucher bench. I turned my head for a second to check a name and the next thing I know Goucher has stolen the inbounded ball (the guy guarding the inbound got the steal) and score a layup. That all sparked Goucher's comeback in the second half. Just not how you normally see those things happen.

Anyway... good basketball and tip of the hat to Merchant Marine for being so gracious to be part of the Damon Brooks event. Also tip of the hat to their fans who came in good numbers and assumingly all paid the attendance (everyone paid attendance for the game because of Brooks). I also always enjoy talking to Danny Nee and David Muchnick and it was great to see them again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2013, 10:23:43 PM
 Only conference games for rest of 2013 have MMA visiting Scranton Saturday and Moravian Sunday; this gives them half their road games in the 1st 2 weekends.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2013, 10:09:36 AM
Congrats to Catholic with 20+ votes and Scranton with 11 votes in the Top 25 poll. Should be reversed in my opinion.

Here is hoping all players pass their exams!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 10, 2013, 04:59:46 PM
Scranton always seems like a contender at crunch time.  Not sure why they don't go even deeper in the tourney, they certainly have the tools.  Almost as if they need a leader and a point guard to help them if their shooting goes South. Danzig is a great coach and his players work hard.  Catholic is strong as well but at crunch time not sure if they will be deep enough in the heated moments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 10, 2013, 05:04:18 PM
Sorry, I may have to rephrase my last thought, Catholic has balanced scoring and personnel, if they play together as a team they can go all the way, in my opinion if their defense tightens up they could do a lot of damage. Not surprised they should be in the the top 25.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 13, 2013, 01:10:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2013, 09:03:37 AM
Grove:

who do you have today Scranton or SU? do you have the little one in a susq onesie yet? Please send you address and I'll send all the Scranton baby gear you can ever want!

;)

The Grovelette has her own Susquehanna cheerleading uniform! It was a big hit at homecoming.  ;D

You will not convert her to purple!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2013, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on December 13, 2013, 01:10:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2013, 09:03:37 AM
Grove:

who do you have today Scranton or SU? do you have the little one in a susq onesie yet? Please send you address and I'll send all the Scranton baby gear you can ever want!

;)

The Grovelette has her own Susquehanna cheerleading uniform! It was a big hit at homecoming.  ;D

You will not convert her to purple!

We Scranton folks don't know what homecoming is. At least those of us who weren't around in 1960, but I digress.

Susquehanna had a nice student section crowd at the game, sorry my Royals had to make that run to shut them down though!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 16, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2013, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on December 13, 2013, 01:10:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2013, 09:03:37 AM
Grove:

who do you have today Scranton or SU? do you have the little one in a susq onesie yet? Please send you address and I'll send all the Scranton baby gear you can ever want!

;)

The Grovelette has her own Susquehanna cheerleading uniform! It was a big hit at homecoming.  ;D

You will not convert her to purple!

We Scranton folks don't know what homecoming is. At least those of us who weren't around in 1960, but I digress.

Susquehanna had a nice student section crowd at the game, sorry my Royals had to make that run to shut them down though!

When you say nice... do you mean in behavior? Because that will surprise me. They were pretty rowdy when I was still around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on December 16, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2013, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on December 13, 2013, 01:10:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2013, 09:03:37 AM
Grove:

who do you have today Scranton or SU? do you have the little one in a susq onesie yet? Please send you address and I'll send all the Scranton baby gear you can ever want!

;)

The Grovelette has her own Susquehanna cheerleading uniform! It was a big hit at homecoming.  ;D

You will not convert her to purple!

We Scranton folks don't know what homecoming is. At least those of us who weren't around in 1960, but I digress.

Susquehanna had a nice student section crowd at the game, sorry my Royals had to make that run to shut them down though!

When you say nice... do you mean in behavior? Because that will surprise me. They were pretty rowdy when I was still around.

Nice in size, until the game got out of hand. They were pretty rowdy.....but nothing too crazy with behavior.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2013, 10:07:48 AM
While attempting to listen to the choppy audio on Scranton's USTREAM there was a discussion of next year's schedule. At least one week they will be playing Tues/Thurs/Sat and obviously each team will lose 2 non-conference games with Elizabeth town.

Didn't sound like the schedule went over too well with the coaches...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
 And there will be a Saturday bye 4 every conference team; don't know if everyone will be able to come up with a foe to fill the bye. Years ago in the original MAC days, Scranton used to play a couple of M/W/Sat games in January, but the schools were closer together than the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 20, 2013, 12:19:26 AM
When you want to get rid of the weekend travel/split system they had in the past (that many other conferences use just fine)... you set yourself up for these types of challenges. At least the conference isn't starting too early in the season as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 24, 2013, 08:32:46 AM
Merry Christmas to all. I hope everyone gets what they asked Santa for.


Also sending out an all point bulletin to Saratoga..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 24, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
There are going to be a lot of national champions. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 24, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
Had posted earlier this morning & I don't see it now, but, Merry Christmas to you and our ex fellow Scranton posters!  Sure miss sparing with Saratoga over our many played games.  Here's hoping for more cross-over scheduling in the years to come.   Appreciated meeting Ronk years ago at a GMC tourney,  and would like to get to know more of you guys.  We're fans for the long haul  :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 24, 2013, 11:02:52 AM
Kate,
   Merry Christmas to you and yours, also. Things may pick up during conference play. Some of the Wilkes fans seem to have left the chat scene. On the other hand, we have some inter-board exchanges with Mailsy, Reserved Seat, Warren, Messiah fans, CSACers. and Nescac people.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 24, 2013, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: kate on December 24, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
Had posted earlier this morning & I don't see it now, but, Merry Christmas to you and our ex fellow Scranton posters!  Sure miss sparing with Saratoga over our many played games.  Here's hoping for more cross-over scheduling in the years to come.   Appreciated meeting Ronk years ago at a GMC tourney,  and would like to get to know more of you guys.  We're fans for the long haul  :).

Thanks Kate, you're a passionate fan, which is what it is all about. Good luck to Del Val in the new year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 25, 2013, 03:54:18 PM
Thanks NEPAFAN!  Can not believe that I missed the article about all of us going from the mid-Atlantic to the Atlantic region!  See what happens when I don't have you guys to keep me sharp  ;)?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 25, 2013, 04:09:12 PM
Kate, are you going to be at F&M to see Del Val?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 25, 2013, 08:40:26 PM
Hi Reserved Seat!  We pretty much just follow the Aggie women, however I never miss the live stats for the Men's game.  I see they play Hobart on Jan. 2.  They started out playing very well, however they've lost their last three games.  We won't be heading to Lancaster for that tourney, but will certainly keep track on live stats.  So far, weather looks good for next week - enjoy if you go!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 25, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Haven't missed a home F&M game in over 25 years.  Not many away games since I retired from my first job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 26, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: kate on December 25, 2013, 03:54:18 PM
Thanks NEPAFAN!  Can not believe that I missed the article about all of us going from the mid-Atlantic to the Atlantic region!  See what happens when I don't have you guys to keep me sharp  ;)?

My pleasure, I missed that too for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
Royals will play at the CYC on New Year's Eve against Keystone. Scranton will be broadcasting the game....here is a little history..an article from the Scranton SID.

December 26, 2013

     
Joe Fitt    Bob Bessoir

In this, the 125th anniversary of The University of Scranton, it seems only fitting that the Royals' men's basketball team will return to the site of some of its finest moments.

For on Tuesday, December 31, the Royals (7-2) will take on Keystone College (5-2) at 6:00 p.m. in the Student Union on the campus of Lackawanna College, which was formerly known as the Scranton Catholic Youth Center (CYC), the University's home court from the early 1950s until the Long Center opened on campus in January 1968.

The game caps off a tripleheader, with high school games scheduled for 2 and 4 p.m. in the afternoon, and is part of a local "Coaches vs. Cancer" program.

Long-time fans will never forget All-American and Scranton native Bill Witaconis's 43-point outburst against arch-rival King's College there on January 18, 1964, or when legendary head coach Bob Bessoir pulled down a Royal single-game record 43 rebounds in his final game as a player, against King's on March 5, 1955. 

Other notable Royals who entertained fans at the CYC include Scranton native Ed Kazakavich, the first All-American in the program's storied history; Old Forge's Joseph Fitt, still to this day the 13th all-time leading scorer in Scranton history and a draft pick of the then Milwaukee (now Atlanta) Hawks of the National Basketball Association (NBA); and another Scranton native, Everett 'Rhett' Jenkins, who poured in 1102 points in just two seasons.

In an era long before three divisions of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), the Royals battled some of the premier programs in the country at the CYC, including Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Temple, Niagara, and La Salle, to name just a few.

Some of the game's greatest players and coaches are also a part of the CYC's lore. 

Former Georgetown University head coach John Thompson led Providence College to a 95-75 victory over Scranton on February 18, 1964, scoring 25 points for a Friar team that was coached by Joe Mullaney, who eventually went on to coach the Los Angeles Lakers (1969-1971) and Buffalo Braves (1976-1977) in the NBA and with four different franchises in the now defunct American Basketball Association (ABA).  Legendary Villanova head coach Jack Kraft brought his Wildcats to the CYC in 1962 and 1964, spoiling the Royals' home opener each time.

After next Tuesday's game, the Royals will return to the Long Center on Friday and Saturday, January 3-4, to host the third annual Cross County Challenge.  Friday's games will feature Wilkes University against Marywood at 5 p.m., followed by Scranton and King's at 7 p.m.  Both games will be televised live by Fox 56 Sports, with Bob Ide and Doug Walsh calling all the action.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 27, 2013, 09:18:47 AM
interesting post, thanks for sharing that history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
Royals will play at the CYC on New Year's Eve against Keystone. Scranton will be broadcasting the game....here is a little history..an article from the Scranton SID.

December 26, 2013

     
Joe Fitt    Bob Bessoir

In this, the 125th anniversary of The University of Scranton, it seems only fitting that the Royals' men's basketball team will return to the site of some of its finest moments.

For on Tuesday, December 31, the Royals (7-2) will take on Keystone College (5-2) at 6:00 p.m. in the Student Union on the campus of Lackawanna College, which was formerly known as the Scranton Catholic Youth Center (CYC), the University's home court from the early 1950s until the Long Center opened on campus in January 1968.

The game caps off a tripleheader, with high school games scheduled for 2 and 4 p.m. in the afternoon, and is part of a local "Coaches vs. Cancer" program.

Long-time fans will never forget All-American and Scranton native Bill Witaconis's 43-point outburst against arch-rival King's College there on January 18, 1964, or when legendary head coach Bob Bessoir pulled down a Royal single-game record 43 rebounds in his final game as a player, against King's on March 5, 1955. 

Other notable Royals who entertained fans at the CYC include Scranton native Ed Kazakavich, the first All-American in the program's storied history; Old Forge's Joseph Fitt, still to this day the 13th all-time leading scorer in Scranton history and a draft pick of the then Milwaukee (now Atlanta) Hawks of the National Basketball Association (NBA); and another Scranton native, Everett 'Rhett' Jenkins, who poured in 1102 points in just two seasons.

In an era long before three divisions of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), the Royals battled some of the premier programs in the country at the CYC, including Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Temple, Niagara, and La Salle, to name just a few.

Some of the game's greatest players and coaches are also a part of the CYC's lore. 

Former Georgetown University head coach John Thompson led Providence College to a 95-75 victory over Scranton on February 18, 1964, scoring 25 points for a Friar team that was coached by Joe Mullaney, who eventually went on to coach the Los Angeles Lakers (1969-1971) and Buffalo Braves (1976-1977) in the NBA and with four different franchises in the now defunct American Basketball Association (ABA).  Legendary Villanova head coach Jack Kraft brought his Wildcats to the CYC in 1962 and 1964, spoiling the Royals' home opener each time.

After next Tuesday's game, the Royals will return to the Long Center on Friday and Saturday, January 3-4, to host the third annual Cross County Challenge.  Friday's games will feature Wilkes University against Marywood at 5 p.m., followed by Scranton and King's at 7 p.m.  Both games will be televised live by Fox 56 Sports, with Bob Ide and Doug Walsh calling all the action.

Bill wasn't even the high scorer in that game; KIngs' soph Tom Hamm had 45 in a 117-112 3OT Royals' victory before a capacity crowd(4400) back when Scranton, Kings, Misericordia, and Marywood were single-gender schools and the 2 women's schools would come to the rivalry game in support of their brother institution. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2013, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 27, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
Royals will play at the CYC on New Year's Eve against Keystone. Scranton will be broadcasting the game....here is a little history..an article from the Scranton SID.

December 26, 2013

     
Joe Fitt    Bob Bessoir

In this, the 125th anniversary of The University of Scranton, it seems only fitting that the Royals' men's basketball team will return to the site of some of its finest moments.

For on Tuesday, December 31, the Royals (7-2) will take on Keystone College (5-2) at 6:00 p.m. in the Student Union on the campus of Lackawanna College, which was formerly known as the Scranton Catholic Youth Center (CYC), the University's home court from the early 1950s until the Long Center opened on campus in January 1968.

The game caps off a tripleheader, with high school games scheduled for 2 and 4 p.m. in the afternoon, and is part of a local "Coaches vs. Cancer" program.

Long-time fans will never forget All-American and Scranton native Bill Witaconis's 43-point outburst against arch-rival King's College there on January 18, 1964, or when legendary head coach Bob Bessoir pulled down a Royal single-game record 43 rebounds in his final game as a player, against King's on March 5, 1955. 

Other notable Royals who entertained fans at the CYC include Scranton native Ed Kazakavich, the first All-American in the program's storied history; Old Forge's Joseph Fitt, still to this day the 13th all-time leading scorer in Scranton history and a draft pick of the then Milwaukee (now Atlanta) Hawks of the National Basketball Association (NBA); and another Scranton native, Everett 'Rhett' Jenkins, who poured in 1102 points in just two seasons.

In an era long before three divisions of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), the Royals battled some of the premier programs in the country at the CYC, including Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Temple, Niagara, and La Salle, to name just a few.

Some of the game's greatest players and coaches are also a part of the CYC's lore. 

Former Georgetown University head coach John Thompson led Providence College to a 95-75 victory over Scranton on February 18, 1964, scoring 25 points for a Friar team that was coached by Joe Mullaney, who eventually went on to coach the Los Angeles Lakers (1969-1971) and Buffalo Braves (1976-1977) in the NBA and with four different franchises in the now defunct American Basketball Association (ABA).  Legendary Villanova head coach Jack Kraft brought his Wildcats to the CYC in 1962 and 1964, spoiling the Royals' home opener each time.

After next Tuesday's game, the Royals will return to the Long Center on Friday and Saturday, January 3-4, to host the third annual Cross County Challenge.  Friday's games will feature Wilkes University against Marywood at 5 p.m., followed by Scranton and King's at 7 p.m.  Both games will be televised live by Fox 56 Sports, with Bob Ide and Doug Walsh calling all the action.

Bill wasn't even the high scorer in that game; KIngs' soph Tom Hamm had 45 in a 117-112 3OT Royals' victory before a capacity crowd(4400) back when Scranton, Kings, Misericordia, and Marywood were single-gender schools and the 2 women's schools would come to the rivalry game in support of their brother institution.


Lost in the shuffle is that the Cross County challenge will be televised...not sure if Fox 56 streams online...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2013, 10:19:40 AM
Another article on tonight's game:


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For almost two decades, the University of Scranton men's basketball team called the Scranton CYC home.

From the early 1950s until the John Long Center opened on campus in January 1968, the Royals welcomed the Eastern powers of the day such as Providence, Temple, Niagara and La Salle and produced some of the program's memorable moments.

Although the building is now known as the Lackawanna College Student Union, it still will be a homecoming for Scranton when it takes on Keystone College there tonight at 6. The game is the finale of a Coaches vs. Cancer tripleheader that features two high school games - Elk Lake against Mountain View at 2 p.m. and Crestwood against Scranton Prep at 4 p.m.

"Our kids understand what the history is all about and the lore of the gym," Scranton coach Carl Danzig said. "We're excited to be playing there."

Keystone interim head coach Brad Cooper is a New York native, so he is not completely familiar with the venue's rich basketball history. Still, he can tell it is a special place.

"It has an aura about it," Cooper said. "Being around some of the area's older basketball minds, they're always talking about it."

Winners of three straight, the Giants (5-2) have not played since Dec. 7. They are led by 6-foot-3 junior forward Duncan Lunsford, who ranks second in the Colonial States Athletic Conference in scoring with 20.6 points per game; fourth in steals with 1.6; sixth in rebounds with 8.3; and seventh in assists with 3.3.

Underrated 6-1 junior guard Dan Candemeres adds 15.9 points and 6-foot-4 freshman guard Jesse Longmire chips in 13.3 points.

Scranton (7-2) last played two weeks ago when it defeated Muhlenberg in the championship game of the PNC Bank Royal Rumble. The Royals are led by 6-foot-4 junior guard Ross Danzig, who tops the Landmark Conference and ranks 23rd in NCAA Division III with 21.9 points. Senior guards Tommy Morgan (11.1 points) and Michael Barr (11.4) and sophomore forward Brendan Boken (11.6) also score in double figures.

Last season, Keystone won an overtime thriller, 96-95.

This time around, the Giants want to play uptempo and utilize the 3-point shot. They average 28 attempts per game from behind the arc.

"They shot about 1,000 percent in last year's game," coach Danzig said. "They run a simple system: drive-and-kick, make shots, get to the foul line. So we have to play to our strength and hope that we can make them miss their shots."

That strength is a size advantage that Cooper admits could pose a problem for his undersized team.

"They're really big. Even their guards are big," Cooper said of the Royals. "If they're able to pound the ball inside, they'll hurt us. But if we're able to spread the floor and speed things up, it will benefit us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2013, 05:18:30 PM
  Nostalgic return for me tonite(Keystone game) to the Scranton CYC which was Scranton's home and practice court for many years including my year on the Frosh team. Also, it was home 4 the Scranton Miners Eastern League pro team when there were only 9 NBA teams, so many outstanding players in that league like Paul Arizin, Paul Silas, Larry Costello, Bill Spivey. Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim played 4 Scranton at that time. It was a great venue for boxing, rassling, and concerts, also. Bob Foster, the light-heavyweight champ from DC held a number of title defenses there because there was no comparable place in the DC area and Larry Holmes fought there many times before becoming champ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2013, 11:02:24 PM
 Looks like they haven't changed the light bulbs in 46 years; it was pretty dark in the gym. They used to have mercury vapor lights that had a bluish haze about them; it was like playing in a smoky pool hall. PG Kelly got his 1st playing time after sitting out with a finger injury. The Royals are going to need him with conference play resuming.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Boken was inspired at the old gym...he should play there more often.

Here is hoping the big storm doesn't screw up the Cross County Challenge this year. I also have a suggestion. Get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament and kick off the season with this Cross County Challenge. Kids are in class and will be pumped up for the first game of the season..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Boken was inspired at the old gym...he should play there more often.

Here is hoping the big storm doesn't screw up the Cross County Challenge this year. I also have a suggestion. Get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament and kick off the season with this Cross County Challenge. Kids are in class and will be pumped up for the first game of the season..

To whom are you suggesting that they get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament?

What does the Laurel Line Tournament have to do with the Cross County Challenge? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Boken was inspired at the old gym...he should play there more often.

Here is hoping the big storm doesn't screw up the Cross County Challenge this year. I also have a suggestion. Get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament and kick off the season with this Cross County Challenge. Kids are in class and will be pumped up for the first game of the season..

To whom are you suggesting that they get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament?

What does the Laurel Line Tournament have to do with the Cross County Challenge?

Doesn't Marywood play in that Tournament? They would have to give up that Tourney if they moved it to a Tip Off Tourny.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Boken was inspired at the old gym...he should play there more often.

Here is hoping the big storm doesn't screw up the Cross County Challenge this year. I also have a suggestion. Get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament and kick off the season with this Cross County Challenge. Kids are in class and will be pumped up for the first game of the season..

To whom are you suggesting that they get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament?

What does the Laurel Line Tournament have to do with the Cross County Challenge?

Doesn't Marywood play in that Tournament? They would have to give up that Tourney if they moved it to a Tip Off Tourny.

That's why I asked who you were talking to.  And you said 'get rid of.'

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 02, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Boken was inspired at the old gym...he should play there more often.

Here is hoping the big storm doesn't screw up the Cross County Challenge this year. I also have a suggestion. Get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament and kick off the season with this Cross County Challenge. Kids are in class and will be pumped up for the first game of the season..

To whom are you suggesting that they get rid of the Laurel Line Tournament?

What does the Laurel Line Tournament have to do with the Cross County Challenge?

Doesn't Marywood play in that Tournament? They would have to give up that Tourney if they moved it to a Tip Off Tourny.

That's why I asked who you were talking to.  And you said 'get rid of.'

I was just talking to Cold_Case (isn't it time for a reinstatement) how the Laurel Line is not as strong a tourney as the Cross-County Challenge. Miseri should get out of it too...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2014, 10:06:57 AM
Scranton and Marywood go 4-0 against Kings and Wilkes , showing how far the MAC Freedom has fallen (jk)


Again my only critique is that the game is played in front of 300 fans, when they used to be played to packed houses.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2014, 12:59:58 AM
Landmark schedule 4 Saturday


Jan. 11   Juniata      Scranton       2:00 PM   Preview  Live Stats  Video  Audio  Directions
   Susquehanna      Drew       2:00 PM   Live Stats  Video
   Goucher      Moravian       2:00 PM   Live Stats  Video
   Catholic      Merchant Marine       2:00 PM   Preview  Live Stats  Video



   Conference      Overall
GP   Record   Win %   PF   PA      GP   Record   Win %   PF   PA   Last 10   Streak
Catholic   1   1-0   1.000   82   60      12   7-5   0.583   903   852   5-5   Won 2
Goucher   1   1-0   1.000   72   65      12   6-6   0.500   896   958   4-6   Won 1
Juniata   1   1-0   1.000   66   50      12   10-2   0.833   883   768   9-1   Won 2
Moravian   2   1-1   0.500   122   123      11   6-5   0.545   725   723   6-4   Won 3
Scranton   2   1-1   0.500   165   154      12   10-2   0.833   986   892   8-2   Won 5
MMA    3   1-2   0.333   208   227      12   5-7   0.417   855   894   4-6   Lost 3
Drew   1   0-1   0.000   60   82      12   6-6   0.500   873   898   5-5   Lost 1
Susque   1   0-1   0.000   68   82      12   8-4   0.667   893   816   6-4   Won 2


After digesting the nonconference games, the opening conference games, and the personnel changes from last season, I project a tighter conference finish from top to bottom:

Scranton         9-5
Juniata            9-5
Catholic          8-6
MMA               8-6
Susque          6-8
Drew              6-8
Goucher         5-9
Moravian        5-9

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2014, 10:24:24 AM
Time for some payback against Juniata!!! #goroyals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 11, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
No payback to be had today
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2014, 07:18:42 PM
  Today's Landmark action had 3 road wins and a 1-point loss 4 the 4th road team. Updated projected finish:

Juniata          10-4
Catholic          9-5
Scranton         8-6
MMA               7-7
Susque          6-8
Drew              6-8
Goucher         6-8
Moravian        4-10
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Talk about a wild finish at Moravian in a long game: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
To quote John McEnroe,
"Are you freakin kidding me"????
Danzig hasn't recruited a point guard since Randy Arnold 7 years ago...think it shows???
If it wasn't for Matt Swaback burying a 3 at the buzzer 2 years ago, Danzig still wouldn't have an NCAA win with a team he recruited.
Two years ago, if Travis Farrell doesn't nail a 3 at the buzzer, Scranton doesn't go to the Elite 8.
If he can't recruit players with his own son on the team.....good luck.
Two losses...AT HOME, not real good when being reviewed by the NCAA Regional God's.
As someone recently stated, Bess had more people in the stands for one game than Danzig pulls in all year.
Not sure where this program is headed, just not convinced it's in the right direction.
Landmark wins are nice, try getting in the Top 10 again & staying there.
Two conference losses at home...not real impressive.
Outcoached by the Juniata staff yet again.
Absolutely, unacceptable.
PS...on a much more important note...I just saw that our friend from Susquehanna had a baby a few months back...Congratulations and I hope all is going perfectly well for mom, dad & baby.
Ronk...you better keep recalibrating, because if Danzig can't protect the home turf, this thing is totally open & will be won by Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 11:38:00 PM
Sorry to hear your point of view... but I can't say I disagree. You need a point guard to really have any success especially in Division III.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
Saratoga,
Good to hear from u; I'm hoping that the PG we're looking 4 is on the current roster now and will get playing time now that he's back from the injury list. Had suggested a guy 3 years ago that's averaging 28 ppg for Lebanon Valley, but our staff was going in a different direction. Admittedly, he's probably more SG than PG, but still more PG than we've had the past 2 years.
  Credit to Juniata 4 defending Danzig well, posting up when they had an advantage, and the back-door cuts and layups. Looks like a competitive conference season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2014, 12:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Talk about a wild finish at Moravian in a long game: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w)

Was Coach Trevino saving Troy DeShields until he really needed him? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2014, 07:31:57 AM
Saratoga is back and laying down the thunder. Look at Scranton's record over the past 7 years and tell me what coach in this conference wouldn't sign up for it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 12, 2014, 12:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Talk about a wild finish at Moravian in a long game: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w)

Was Coach Trevino saving Troy DeShields until he really needed him? ;)

LOL I guess so... perfect timing. I do know DeShields is playing a bit of a lesser role in the sense that he isn't the go-to guy in any way on offense... but that may be making him a much better player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2014, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 12, 2014, 12:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Talk about a wild finish at Moravian in a long game: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140111akc06w)

Was Coach Trevino saving Troy DeShields until he really needed him? ;)

LOL I guess so... perfect timing. I do know DeShields is playing a bit of a lesser role in the sense that he isn't the go-to guy in any way on offense... but that may be making him a much better player.

  I was referring to his playing time being down to single-digit minutes in the recent boxscores.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 06:54:10 PM
Well if you look at his career... that always happens. Not uncommon in that system at all especially in the last decade.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 17, 2014, 01:27:10 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2014, 11:08:24 PM

PS...on a much more important note...I just saw that our friend from Susquehanna had a baby a few months back...Congratulations and I hope all is going perfectly well for mom, dad & baby.

Why thank you, 'toga! All is well with the Grovelette. She is sleeping through the night (mostly) so mom and dad are happy.  ;D Hoping to take her over to the SU-Scranton games coming up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
http://pagesix.com/2014/01/17/bethenny-frankel-wants-judge-to-evict-estranged-husband/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
http://pagesix.com/2014/01/17/bethenny-frankel-wants-judge-to-evict-estranged-husband/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

Jason is the Royals' leader in NCAA  tourney points in a single game with 33.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
Yes, I was hoping he and Bethany would last and they would fund a HD camera for the Royals telecasts  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
standings after Saturday
Catholic   4-0   10-5
Scranton   2-2   12-3
Juniata   2-2   11-4
Susquehanna   2-2   10-5
Drew   2-2   8-7
Goucher   2-2   7-8
Moravian   2-3   7-8
Merchant Marine   1-4   6-9

My projected final standings after the 2 Juniata home losses this past week; things r tightening up

Catholic         10-4
Juniata           8-6
Scranton         8-6
MMA               7-7
Drew              7-7
Susque          6-8
Goucher         6-8
Moravian        4-10

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 20, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
Really can't see the Landmark having more than 1 team in the tournament. At this point they will not have a top 8 team in the first regional rankings. Really thought Juniata and Scranton were going to be better than they have shown. Not having bad seasons by most standards, just may have thought more highly of them. Lot of hoops left.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2014, 11:52:17 PM
standings after tonite's 4 road wins
Catholic   5-0   11-5
Scranton   3-2   13-3
Juniata   3-2   12-4
Moravian   3-3   8-8
Susquehanna   2-3   10-6
Drew   2-3   8-8
Goucher   2-3   7-9
Merchant Marine   1-5   6-10

My projected final standings;every1 has a good shot at a playoff spot

Catholic         10-4
Juniata           8-6
Scranton         8-6
Drew              7-7
MMA               6-8
Susque          6-8
Goucher         6-8
Moravian        5-9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
Interesting if the bottom of the conference is actually 5-9... I think that will show the conference has gotten a bit more competitive... though, I am not sure they are deeper.

Saw Juniata in action last night and while I think they could be a very dangerous team in the NCAA tournament (should they get there), I was surprised how a senior laden team (all starters are seniors) couldn't dominate Goucher. They let the Gophers back in the game in the first half (17-4 run) and then couldn't get rid of them in the second half. The Eagles held on to win over a Goucher team that wasn't even close to playing at their best. A bit disappointed in what I saw from Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2014, 08:46:58 PM
standings after today's action
Catholic   5-1   11-6
Scranton   4-2   14-3
Juniata     3-3   12-5
Susquehanna   3-3   11-6
Drew   3-3   9-8
Moravian   3-4   8-9
Goucher   2-4   7-10
Merchant Marine   2-5   7-10

My projected final standings:

Catholic         10-4
Juniata           8-6
Scranton         8-6
Drew              7-7
Susque          7-7
MMA               6-8
Goucher         6-8
Moravian        4-10
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
 Tough loss for the Cards @ Scranton; they played well in jumping off to double digit lead in the 1st half; Limberiou was shooting well, and Boken had 2 fouls and sat on the bench. Ross Danzig took over with a monstrous game, missing only 1 shot, Boken made his impact in the 2nd half, and the Royals' FT shooting held off a very good 2nd half offensive performance by Fonville.
  Cards didn't let it get away as much as Royals buckled down and took it back. Royals have 3 tough road games left, although Juniata's Scholly only played opening 8 minutes today, indicating the possibility of an injury.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2014, 10:44:12 AM
Saratoga must be a top 25 voter, Scranton gets no respect with 6 total votes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2014, 09:41:30 PM
NEPA:
Danzig still has to convince a national audience the Royals are for real.
Apparently, that has yet to happen...although, one might ask what more will it take?
However, as frustrating as it can be figuring out what goes through the heads of some voters, for the most part, these TOP 25 etc. polls are more for discussion than anything else.

Personally, I find these polls essentially worthless & often times driven by perception & past performance as opposed to objective data in real time.
Why, for instance, would a team Scranton defeated (Randolph Macon) have more votes when everything else is a wash?
Why the love for a 4 loss Virginia Wesleyan team that recently was crushed by that very same R-M squad?

The real poll that counts is the Regional Ranking & if you've taken care of business in all the right areas, your body of work should have the necessary ingredients for a favorable ranking that may pay off with some home games come tournament time.
However, until the Royal's can avoid those unexplained meltdowns which generally occur at home, the voters of both the Top 25 poll and the Regional Ranking may remain skeptical...hence the 6 votes.

Only a few weeks left to find out which Scranton team shows up.
Will it be the one that rode the blistering outside shooting to the Elite 8 two years ago or, the veteran team with that post season experience that couldn't get out of the Long Center in a first round Landmark game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
 The Royals are missing a good road victory in  their portfolio; Juniata on Saturday could supply that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Not sure what Scranton has done in your mind to receive national attention. And some of your examples aren't apples to apples... you mention ODAC teams... in other words, teams who play in one of the top five conferences in the country and have out-of-conference schedules to match. Scranton has a win over RMC who is getting ten votes - ten. That is nothing. It was also the second game of the season.

Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
Dave,
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
This is similar to the F&M fans wanting to see F&M get regional/national consideration last week (they scored 38 points at Gettysburg last night????).... You don't have to beat a top 25 team to be ranked or get votes. You need to win vs your schedule, have a strong strength of schedule and play (beat) teams non conference who a- have a strong strength of schedule and b- who's opponents do so as well. The Landmark does not offer SOS #'s like the ODAC or even MAC-Commonwealth do. Dickinson, had losses (Juniata, RMC) and I believe received no more than 16 votes where people certainly thought they were deserving of top 25 (see Stevenson before their loss at Etown and that's with a good SOS and beating multiple top 25 teams). Bottom line is Scranton has one good win vs RMC and hasn't beaten anyone else worth note for national attention in a top heavy conference who will only get 1 team in the tournament. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
Listen, my point is they beat Catholic on Saturday and went 2-0 for the week and gained 1 vote. I see Messiah is ranked....they play Scranton and that game is a toss up.


Saratoga is right, nothing matters but the Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2014, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
Listen, my point is they beat Catholic on Saturday and went 2-0 for the week and gained 1 vote. I see Messiah is ranked....they play Scranton and that game is a toss up.


Saratoga is right, nothing matters but the Regional Rankings.

You could get that game....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
standings after today's action at the halfway mark
Catholic    6-1   12-6
Scranton   5-2   15-3
Susque    4-3   12-6
Juniata     3-4   12-6
Drew        3-4   9-9
Moravian   3-5   8-10
MMA          3-5   8-10
Goucher   2-5   7-11


My projected final standings:

Catholic         10-4
Scranton         8-6
Susque           8-6
Drew              7-7
Juniata           7-7
MMA               6-8
Goucher         6-8
Moravian        4-10

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.

The loss to Merchant Marines was a long long time ago, if we are going to start caveating wins and losses we go down a long windy road. I am not taking shots at the Poll, just expressing my surprise at the voting. No need to get defensive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 10:58:45 AM
Just trying to explain what I look for as one of the 25 voters. In my mind that can be balanced out by avenging that loss -- home losses to unranked/unvoted-on teams, though, are puzzling.

I think you read defensiveness in there where there was none.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.
We could consider 6 votes reasonable but, on the other hand, R-M was ranked 16th at the time of the victory and there are 2 wins over ORVs(at sometime this year-Catholic, Ithaca).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.
We could consider 6 votes reasonable but, on the other hand, R-M was ranked 16th at the time of the victory and there are 2 wins over ORVs(at sometime this year-Catholic, Ithaca).

I think you mean Muhlenberg vice Ithaca?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:07:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.
We could consider 6 votes reasonable but, on the other hand, R-M was ranked 16th at the time of the victory and there are 2 wins over ORVs(at sometime this year-Catholic, Ithaca).

True. But they aren't now. And if someone is supposed to discount the Merchant Marine loss for being some time ago, then it has to be noted that Randolph-Macon was even further back.

"at sometime this year" is so misleading it's laughable. Ithaca got 22 votes in the preseason poll but was already 4-8 when it came to the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:07:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
Go through Scranton's schedule this year and show me a single win that deserves Top 25 attention.

Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
There are at least 7 teams in the top 25 w/o a single win over a top 25 opponent. Doesn't appear to be a requirement for inclusion.

These are not the same thing. You don't have to have a win vs. a Top 25 team to have a win worthy of Top 25 attention.

As a voter, I generally like to see one win against a team receiving votes to balance out every bad loss. Scranton does have that, but it's a long, long time since that Randolph-Macon game.

Scranton has lost at home to Juniata and Merchant Marine. Neither of those teams have votes so Scranton having six votes seems pretty reasonable.
We could consider 6 votes reasonable but, on the other hand, R-M was ranked 16th at the time of the victory and there are 2 wins over ORVs(at sometime this year-Catholic, Ithaca).

True. But they aren't now. And if someone is supposed to discount the Merchant Marine loss for being some time ago, then it has to be noted that Randolph-Macon was even further back.

"at sometime this year" is so misleading it's laughable. Ithaca got 22 votes in the preseason poll but was already 4-8 when it came to the Long Center.

You dismissed the RMC victory so I went there with the MM loss. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Well, you can't have it both ways -- either both are in or both are out. And to try to pass off Ithaca as a win of consequence for the Top 25 is something even a coach wouldn't try to do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2014, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Well, you can't have it both ways -- either both are in or both are out. And to try to pass off Ithaca as a win of consequence for the Top 25 is something even a coach wouldn't try to do.

Didn't say it was a win of consequence-just stating that it fulfilled your wish of being over a team that had received ORVs. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2014, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Well, you can't have it both ways -- either both are in or both are out. And to try to pass off Ithaca as a win of consequence for the Top 25 is something even a coach wouldn't try to do.

You brought the timing into this not me!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2014, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Well, you can't have it both ways -- either both are in or both are out. And to try to pass off Ithaca as a win of consequence for the Top 25 is something even a coach wouldn't try to do.

Didn't say it was a win of consequence-just stating that it fulfilled your wish of being over a team that had received ORVs. 

Clearly the statute of limitations on a preseason ORV does not survive going 4-8, or their current 5-14. When I'm talking about wins over teams ranked or receiving votes, I'm talking about wins over teams currently ranked or ORV. It's not once-ranked, always-ranked!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
My point...these polls generate discussion (as we've just seen), & not much in the way of consensus.
I could care less if the Royals had 6 votes in this poll yet were ranked 3rd. in the Regional Rankings.

Today is a huge game for Scranton & perhaps, even more so for Juniata.
Can't remember the last time a veteran Juniata squad lost 3 conference games at home & if they lose today, that makes 4.

The Royals can get out to big leads on teams but seem to always relax defensively & let teams back in the game.
Wednesday night vs. Moravian they had a 17 point lead with a little over 4 minutes left & let the Greyhounds bring it down to 4 with the ball.
Simply not putting complete games together.

Turnovers will also play an important role in todays game.
The Royals have kids playing out of their natural positions & with no true point, the turnovers continue to haunt them.
I can foresee Juniata going all out defensively today and pressuring Scranton from start to finish to set the tone & pace of the game they want.


Free throw shooting...once a hallmark of Scranton teams, their percentage has slipped dramatically this season.
The difference between simply competing & actually winning on the road often comes down to connecting on your free throws.
Factor in that Juniata will generally have at least +8 at home in attempts, and it becomes evident that every chance at the line for the Royal's will be big.


This Scranton team is hard to figure out...just when you think they've got it going, a home loss to MMA.
A number of sloppy games in between & yet, they are standing at 15-3.
They seem to be living the adage "an ugly win is better than a pretty loss".

Today should be a great test for what may lie ahead.
Can the Royals handle the pressure I expect them to get?
Can they stay poised and stay within their strengths & game plan?
Will they cut down on the turnovers?
Will they make their free throws?
Can they keep Boken out of foul trouble?
Can they ever beat Juniata again???

My fear...the Royal's are walking into a hornet's nest today & when that happens, you just might get stung.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2014, 10:55:45 AM
Big win for the Royals , but still can't hit a FT. First place tie as CUA got run out of the Gym. Look for Scranton to have 7 votes this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 02, 2014, 11:16:17 AM
Scranton is not a top 5 regionally ranked team as of now. No chance their above Cabrini, Wesley, Mary Wash, Messiah or St. Mary's. They may be behind Dickinson as well depending on voters thoughts. They will need to win the Landmark. Although plenty of games left for the aforementioned teams to slip up, Scranton to keep winning and get in the top 3-4 regionally. Votes should be the least of Scranton's or their fans worries. Winning the LC tourney should be the only concern.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Unfortunately... this conference is only going to get one bid to the NCAA tournament. I just don't see an at-large bid even for Scranton if they got to the championship game and lost (though, certainly a possibility). Too many good teams in the Mid-Atlantic will be slotted ahead of them so by the time they get to the table - if they get to the table - the at-large hopeful from this conference may be too late to enter the conversation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2014, 12:41:54 PM
Rest of the conference needs to pick up their game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
E-Town will be a nice addition next year for both the men & women as far as giving the top teams an actual game.
For the bottom 3 teams, just 2 more losses.
Hopefully, there will be another addition coming to the Landmark from the Empire State.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Unfortunately... this conference is only going to get one bid to the NCAA tournament. I just don't see an at-large bid even for Scranton if they got to the championship game and lost (though, certainly a possibility). Too many good teams in the Mid-Atlantic will be slotted ahead of them so by the time they get to the table - if they get to the table - the at-large hopeful from this conference may be too late to enter the conversation.

We'll see; at the end of the conference tourneys, the CAC runner-up may be the only Mid-Atlantic team(barring other conference tourney upsets) with a better record than Scranton for Pool C.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 02, 2014, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 02, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Unfortunately... this conference is only going to get one bid to the NCAA tournament. I just don't see an at-large bid even for Scranton if they got to the championship game and lost (though, certainly a possibility). Too many good teams in the Mid-Atlantic will be slotted ahead of them so by the time they get to the table - if they get to the table - the at-large hopeful from this conference may be too late to enter the conversation.

We'll see; at the end of the conference tourneys, the CAC runner-up may be the only Mid-Atlantic team(barring other conference tourney upsets) with a better record than Scranton for Pool C.

But it's more than just record. SOS favors a Messiah and CAC runner up as well as St. Mary's. Could see Messiah not winning the MAC CWealth tourney leaving CAC runner up, Messiah and maybe even another CAC team at the table for Pool C before a Landmark team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2014, 10:44:45 PM
I would put three teams from the CAC ahead of Scranton (meaning two Pool Cs)... and two teams from the MACC (meaning one Pool C)... that's assuming that Scranton is looking for a Pool C... if they get the AQ, the next team up is going to be even further down. Also, Dickinson I think will have a better SOS than Scranton, so if they don't win the AQ Scranton could find themselves behind Dickinson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2014, 11:05:22 PM

Catholic    6-2   12-7
Scranton   6-2   16-3
Susque    4-4   12-7
Drew        4-4   10-9
MMA          4-5   9-10
Moravian   4-5   9-10
Juniata     3-5   12-7
Goucher    2-6   7-12


My projected final standings:

Catholic           9-5
Scranton         9-5
Drew               8-6
Susque           7-7
MMA               7-7
Juniata           6-8
Goucher         5-9
Moravian        5-9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
From the Why You Can't Actually Take This Poll Seriously department.....
Augustana is currently ranked at # 23.
Things to ponder.....
*They already have 5 losses.
*They have lost 3 games in a row.
*Two of those games were at home.
*One of those teams weighs in at 10-10.
I'm sure the SOS will be right up there with Duke & North Carolina and there will be another dozen reasons why their 5 losses are actually good for them while someone else's 3 losses are absolutely horrible etc. etc. etc. so we do need to account for that.
Bottom line, my issue has nothing to do with Scranton getting zero additional votes by picking up 2 road wins this past week.
Personally, I'm still not completely sold on them.
However, there is absolutely no way you can convince me the body of work Augustana has put together up to this point & with 3 losses in a row has them deserving of anything other than perhaps 6 votes in the "other" category.
Absolutely laughable, yet somehow so predictable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Cue the rationale and explanations in 3...2.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2014, 11:10:22 PM
No, I can't argue with you. I wouldn't have ranked Augustana this week. They just didn't fall far enough, because of all the other losses. This week they'll almost surely lose at IWU and finish falling all the way out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
I put Augustana 25 and you can read all about it in my blog... especially if you read my thoughts over the last few weeks. I nearly punted them all-together and probably should have...but didn't: www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2014/02/03/daves-top-25-ballot-week-9-2/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2014/02/03/daves-top-25-ballot-week-9-2/)

However, Augustana coming out of my poll wouldn't have freed up a spot for Scranton. I am not convinced this conference is that good this year. I took Dickinson out because I am not convinced they are that good anymore in a sub-par Centennial.

From the data I have looked at... Scranton has an SOS barely above .500 with just one win over any significant team (only because the RMC win now looks good... at the time it was ho-hum). They got trounced by Cabrini, lost at home to Merchant Marine, lost at home to Juniata who they did beat on the road, but the Eagles are not nearly the same team that beat the Royals three weeks prior.

I know this conference well... and I know this region well... and I am not voting for Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2014, 07:51:08 AM
Dave:
Read my post once more..."My issue has nothing to do with Scranton getting zero additional votes"...
As I said, I've got my own questions regarding the Royal's depth, lack of point guard & overall one dimensional approach game in & game out.
In fact, I'm not even sure they win at MMA on Wednesday as MMA is playing their best basketball of the season right now.
My point was & has been about the Poll.
It simply loses credibility when you have teams like I pointed out remaining in while others, regardless of your bias, never even get 1 additional vote & they continue to win.
Whether it's Scranton, Tufts or Cal Lutheran, the standard must be the same or you risk being taken seriously.
With enough voters keeping Augustana in after what they've recently accomplished, that credibility may be at an all time low.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 04, 2014, 07:51:08 AM
With enough voters keeping Augustana in after what they've recently accomplished, that credibility may be at an all time low.

Not even the most questionable ranking for someone with a Mid-Atlantic mind-set. I thought St. Mary's staying in the poll in recent weeks was much, much worse than this. Augustana at least has one win against a team currently in the top five.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 04, 2014, 11:02:28 AM
There is debate with top 25 polls in D1,2,3 for both hoops and football. Anytime there is subjectivity in voting there is always room for disagreement and potential for error. Scranton, IMO, should certainly have more than 6 votes and St. Mary's/Augsburg I think are incorrect to be in there or to have been. But these polls really don't mean anything in the big picture. AQ's and Regional Rankings are gold.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 01:47:09 PM
saratoga - my problem is you claim to understand why Scranton doesn't get more votes and raise the same problems I raise as to why they aren't getting those votes... but then turn around and use them as an example as to why others are so highly ranked. If you have a problem with the poll, raise those points, but don't turn around and use Scranton as an example when you don't even disagree with their position. Choose someone else that is a better example.

I understand your point, but it gets muddy when you bring Scranton into the equation, even if it is a passing comment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2014, 02:10:22 PM
My point is this, if the Top 25 is to be considered somewhat valid & respectable, you cannot have 1 standard that allows for Team A to lose 3 in a row & remain ranked and another for Team B that wins 2 on the road & 6 in a row & gains nothing in this very same poll.
You rank them every week, where they are ranked this week is to be a snapshot of where they were last week, that is your sample size.
If Team A is floundering, no matter the reason, it must be acknowledged.
If Team B is getting it done, regardless of how you feel about them, that should be noted.
I could care less if Scranton is ranked in this poll.
However, don't tell me something isn't wrong when a team wins 2 road games & does not even get 1 additional vote.
These issues outlined are exactly why the only poll that matters is the Regional Ranking.
Next topic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
You can't ignore the season, either... you can't ignore what they did before the slide. I don't know many voters who vote only a week by week basis... or the poll would be incredibly turbulent.

Should a team on a three-game slide still be in the poll? I understand your point why they aren't and I have even triple-guessed my own decision to keep them #25 on my poll. However, I also took into account they beat IWU and Carthage this season (just a few weeks ago)... interestingly enough that is who they play this week.

As for a team winning two road games: who did they play and who else of the 50 teams being considered play? It isn't a vacuum. Scranton played a below .500 team in Moravian on the road and a significantly struggling Juniata squad on the road. I have seen both of those teams in recent weeks and a win over them doesn't impress me right now. That all being said, I had 40 teams I was looking at in my Top 25 and they all had results this past week on the road and at home... they all had arguments for or against being in the Top 25... this isn't a vacuum. Just because one team won two games on the road doesn't automatically qualify for getting more votes if other voters don't agree.

Just to point out... Augustana lost 272 points in one week. That is a SIGNIFICANT drop. The keys are this: the top of the Top 25 is rather stable in terms of who are getting votes from the voters... but the bottom half is anything but. There are 45 teams getting votes which indicates a lot of voters are not on the same page as to who the bottom, let's say, ten teams in the country are. That ends up having teams that maybe don't "deserve" to be in the Top 25 by those like yourself getting enough votes to be in the poll. If there were only 30 teams receiving votes, than your argument would certainly reveal something more glaring... but with 45 teams getting votes it actually shows a lot of questions about a lot of teams.

I would suggest you dive into your own Top 25... look at all of the teams in the country you think deserve to be in the Top 25 (not just 25 teams, you may have 40 or so), and then put your ballot together and see how you do. I promise you a few things: it is far harder than it seems, you will be dissecting far more information and data than you dreamed, you will be pulling your hair out trying to figure out the bottom half of your ballot.

And guess what... in reality no polls matter. Only the BCS (thank god that is gone) used the polls in its computer-generated system.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2014, 02:27:25 PM
Scranton was on two ballots last week (a 21st and a 25th) and on one ballot this week (a 20th). The second voter leapfrogged Centre onto their ballot ahead of Scranton, and Centre has won nine in a row, including the last five on the road. 

When you have so few votes, you're just plain going to fluctuate. Scranton didn't lose that point as much as Centre took it from them by performing even better. And that's why I always caution people not to look at the poll in a vacuum -- every other team's position can affect your vote total or ranking as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 04, 2014, 08:41:49 PM
This could be a Mid Atlantic Region forum question but it goes along with your conversations: Messiah won 2 home games vs Etown and Albright last week and went from 22 to 17. Is that because of their total body of work, SOS, and other criteria or the fact they went 2-0 and teams in front of them (I think 14, 16, 18, 19) all lost.

Not jointing the conversation, just asking a question to understand voting better.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 04, 2014, 08:41:49 PM
This could be a Mid Atlantic Region forum question but it goes along with your conversations: Messiah won 2 home games vs Etown and Albright last week and went from 22 to 17. Is that because of their total body of work, SOS, and other criteria or the fact they went 2-0 and teams in front of them (I think 14, 16, 18, 19) all lost.

This is going to sound like a non-answer but it's probably a mix of both. Think of a team rising five spots as gaining 125 points: five points times each of the 25 voters. Messiah gained 94 points, so that's a pretty good leap.

That's part one. Part two is to look at who they passed and figure out why. Messiah passed DePauw, Wittenberg and Albertus Magnus, who each lost to unranked teams. And Messiah passed Bowdoin, which lost to Amherst. Albertus had a win against a ranked team during the week, which complicates their resume, but the results lent themselves to both Albertus and SUNY-Purchase falling. Messiah also passed Augustana, which has been discussed already. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 05, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 04, 2014, 08:41:49 PM
This could be a Mid Atlantic Region forum question but it goes along with your conversations: Messiah won 2 home games vs Etown and Albright last week and went from 22 to 17. Is that because of their total body of work, SOS, and other criteria or the fact they went 2-0 and teams in front of them (I think 14, 16, 18, 19) all lost.

This is going to sound like a non-answer but it's probably a mix of both. Think of a team rising five spots as gaining 125 points: five points times each of the 25 voters. Messiah gained 94 points, so that's a pretty good leap.

That's part one. Part two is to look at who they passed and figure out why. Messiah passed DePauw, Wittenberg and Albertus Magnus, who each lost to unranked teams. And Messiah passed Bowdoin, which lost to Amherst. Albertus had a win against a ranked team during the week, which complicates their resume, but the results lent themselves to both Albertus and SUNY-Purchase falling. Messiah also passed Augustana, which has been discussed already. :)

Appreciate that, Pat. Good luck to anyone traveling tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2014, 12:17:20 AM
  Royals win 3rd straight on the road over MMA, coming from 10 down with a couple of mins left in 1st half. They happened to be playing a poorer foul-shooting team than themselves. Still, after FT shooting 1-7 in the 2nd half, Mike Barr's effort bounced around before falling through; from that point the Royals finished 12-13 to close out the Mariners. The other negatives were being outrebounded on the offensive boards 18-4 and the shortening of the bench. Hopefully, with 4 of the final games at home, there will be suitable playing time for needed reserves.
  Catholic comes from way back(down 9 with 2:43 left) to win in 2OT. Road teams win 9 of most recent 12 and 2 of the 3 home wins(tonite) required 2OT. It's a far cry from the 1st years of the Landmark when the coaches would complain about being robbed on the road.

Current standings-closest Landmark tourney race in my memory-get out the tie-breakers
Catholic    7-2   13-7
Scranton   7-2   17-3
Moravian   5-5   10-10
Susque      4-5   12-8
Drew         4-5   10-10
MMA          4-6   9-11
Juniata      3-6   12-8
Goucher    3-6   8-12


My projected final standings:

Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Drew               7-7
Susque           7-7
MMA               7-7
Juniata           6-8
Moravian        6-8
Goucher         5-9

   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2014, 07:18:53 PM
 Royals with very nice win over Susquehanna coming from 8 down @ the half and their feature player unable to play in the 2nd half. Catholic wins on the road despite the absence of Steve Limberiou for the 2nd consecutive game.

Current standings-closest Landmark tourney race in my memory-get out the tie-breakers
Catholic     8-2   14-7
Scranton   8-2   18-3
Moravian   5-6   10-11
MMA          5-6   10-11
Susque      4-6   12-9
Drew         4-6   10-11
Juniata      4-6   13-8
Goucher    3-7   8-13


My projected final standings:

Scranton        11-3
Catholic          11-3
Susque            6-8
MMA                 6-8
Juniata            6-8
Drew               6-8
Moravian         6-8
Goucher          4-10
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2014, 08:30:57 PM
What happened to Danzig was it on that offensive foul he drew?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2014, 09:39:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2014, 08:30:57 PM
What happened to Danzig was it on that offensive foul he drew?

My SPECULATION is that was it; Dean Corwin MAY have more to say Monday during the Lady Royals broadcast. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
Word going around the Long Center yesterday....
possible concussion.
He wanted to play but was held back for obvious reasons.
A positive coming out of this was the Royal's were able to overcome a rather large Susquehanna lead without their leading scorer and go-to guy the entire second half.
A negative coming out of this is the hope the tests aren't positive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 09, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
Word going around the Long Center yesterday....
possible concussion.
He wanted to play but was held back for obvious reasons.
A positive coming out of this was the Royal's were able to overcome a rather large Susquehanna lead without their leading scorer and go-to guy the entire second half.
A negative coming out of this is the hope the tests aren't positive.

Thanks Saratoga:

Please let us know if you hear anything. Meanwhile Scranton up to 13 votes in the poll.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2014, 12:02:31 AM
Tough night for the D-3 rankers....

Powerful Wabash at 8-13 over the # 14 ranked team.
Loras at 12-10 over # 23
Unranked DePauw over # 15 and...
Unranked Stevenson over # 25 Messiah.
I'm sure there is an explanation...just not so sure I'm up for hearing it.
As Bob Bessoir once said to a reporter asking him if his Royal's were a little too well thought of..."Purple Haze my friend, purple haze".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2014, 01:07:42 AM
Scranton clinches semifinal tourney home game; Limberiou still out for Catholic; Scranton-Catholic on Saturday

Current standings-closest Landmark tourney race in my memory-get out the tie-breakers

Scranton   9-2   19-3
Catholic     8-3   14-8
Moravian   5-6   10-11
MMA          5-6   10-11
Susque      5-6   13-9
Juniata      5-6   14-8
Drew         4-7   10-12
Goucher    3-8   8-14


My projected final standings:

Scranton        11-3
Catholic          10-4
Susque            7-7
MMA                 6-8
Juniata            6-8
Drew               6-8
Moravian         6-8
Goucher          4-10

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2014, 01:16:41 AM
Here's your answer:

In a tie of more than two teams, once one team has won a tie breaker, the tie breaker process among the remaining teams begins again starting with step 1.

1.   Head-to-head results between and among the tied teams in traditional season conference contests. (Includes ties of more than two teams)
2.   Tied teams traditional season won-loss records versus conference teams starting with #1, then #2, etc.
3.   Road winning percentage in conference games (only used if tied teams played a Home and Home conference schedule).
4.   Run/goal/points differential among tied teams, with maximum differentials as follows (Lacrosse 4, Basketball 10, Baseball/softball 5, field hockey 3, soccer 3).
5.   Head-to-head results between and among the tied teams in traditional season contests. (In tie of more than two teams, only used if all teams played each other in traditional season contests).
6.   Head-to-head results among common non-conference opponents at common site.
7.   Head-to-head results among common non-conference opponents at different site.
8.   Coin flip.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2014, 01:45:54 AM
Wasn't aware of steps 3-7; thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2014, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 13, 2014, 12:02:31 AM
Tough night for the D-3 rankers....

Powerful Wabash at 8-13 over the # 14 ranked team.
Loras at 12-10 over # 23
Unranked DePauw over # 15 and...
Unranked Stevenson over # 25 Messiah.
I'm sure there is an explanation...just not so sure I'm up for hearing it.
As Bob Bessoir once said to a reporter asking him if his Royal's were a little too well thought of..."Purple Haze my friend, purple haze".

+1

What's wrong with Limberiou?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2014, 02:46:48 PM
BREAKING: Danny Nee out after 'incident' at Merchant Marine. Munchnick acting head coach since mid-January: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/02/danny-nee-out-after-incident-at-merchant-marine (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/02/danny-nee-out-after-incident-at-merchant-marine) #d3h
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2014, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2014, 02:46:48 PM
BREAKING: Danny Nee out after 'incident' at Merchant Marine. Munchnick acting head coach since mid-January: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/02/danny-nee-out-after-incident-at-merchant-marine (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/02/danny-nee-out-after-incident-at-merchant-marine) #d3h

Our radio broadcaster had said that Nee was not on the bench during the Royals' recent game @ MMA, but he didn't know why.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2014, 03:16:20 PM
He's not been on the bench since January 17.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2014, 12:50:14 AM
Scranton clinches top seed; Limberiou still out for Catholic
Current standings-closest Landmark tourney race in my memory-get out the tie-breakers

Scranton   10-2  20-3
Catholic     8-4   14-8
MMA          6-6   11-11
Susque      6-6   14-9
Moravian   5-7   10-12
Juniata      5-7   14-9
Drew         4-8   10-13
Goucher    4-8   9-14


My projected final standings:

Scranton        12-2
Catholic          10-4
MMA                 8-6
Susque            7-7
Juniata            6-8
Moravian         5-9
Drew               4-10
Goucher          4-10
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2014, 11:22:55 AM
What a game yesterday by Baptist Bible over Cabrini.
Just shows the resiliency of kids playing the game they love.
BBC was crushed earlier in the year by Cabrini & they were able to create a 38 point swing in yesterday's game.
Not even able to finish with a .500 record, they took down the # 2 team & withstood every run Cabrini threw at them.
By the way, BBC coach's son is one of the best players in Pa. & is headed to Bucknell.
Huge win for that program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 16, 2014, 05:52:55 PM
Very decent post Saratoga, credit where credit is due.  Both for Baptist Bible & for you  ;).  Still watching everyone's posts.  Btw, Aggie Women and hopefully the men will be in the Freedom play-offs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2014, 11:33:55 AM
Kate:
Perhaps the NCAA God's will reunite the Lady Aggie's & Lady Royal's once more should we both be that fortunate.
***By the way, NCAA Guidebook 2014, Article 2, Section 7, paragraph 3...
"Any and all games in the NCAA Tournament that may be played between Delaware Valley College, aka. DVC. and The University of Scranton must be played at Scranton's Long Center (men & women).
Get that Stub Hub number ready Kate...tickets orders are coming in.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 17, 2014, 05:44:10 PM
Ah, Saratoga, you KNOW that you Scranton guys are ALL itching to get back to James Work! ;). At any rate, good luck to all the post-season teams, and above all, STAY healthy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/atlantic-mid-atlantic/2013-14/scranton-royals-flush-with-wins

Nice article on Scranton Men and Woman and Scranton cracks the Top 25. Of course you know what that means.....a lose is on the horizon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 18, 2014, 01:27:48 PM
First-time poster....
I've seen a lot of posts about Limberiou being out the last 4 games, haven't heard anything official from the team, but I have heard claims that it is a chest-related issue, possible pneumothorax. These are just the grumblings I've heard around the gym. If true, most likely done for the season. Hopefully not done for good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 18, 2014, 01:27:48 PM
First-time poster....
I've seen a lot of posts about Limberiou being out the last 4 games, haven't heard anything official from the team, but I have heard claims that it is a chest-related issue, possible pneumothorax. These are just the grumblings I've heard around the gym. If true, most likely done for the season. Hopefully not done for good.

I heard something similar at the game Saturday; tough blow for him, personally, and for the team's chances this season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2014, 11:07:06 PM
 After tonight's action and if MMA beats Susquehanna, then Scranton is the 1 seed, Catholic 2, MMA 3, and Susquehanna 4. If MMA loses, then Scranton is 1, Catholic & Susquehanna need a 4 through 7 tiebreaker and up to 4 teams could tie for the 4th seed - only the Juniata-Drew loser would be eliminated at this time @ 5-9.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2014, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game tonight.

Too bad for Catholic-they might have saved themselves a 1st round trip to Susquehanna next Wednesday by winning tonight. Fonville 2-20; he looked all-league against Scranton last Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Fonville has really struggled as of late, shooting % has plummeted over last 6 games or so, with the exception of last Saturday. Susquehanna may not mind coming back to DC after last week, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 20, 2014, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game tonight.

Cardsfan are you a player?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
Man... I should have made the trip to CUA last night... but then again, I was working :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
DMAC:

I have to take you to task a little bit here. A few weeks ago you stated that the Royals wouldn't be an at Large Team even if they lost in the Landmark Championship. Obviously that is not the case.


Not sure why they are ranked 1 in the region over Cabrini but I'll take it. I imagine if both teams win out those rankings will remain the same?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
Well, their SOS was far higher than I ever expected it to be... and the rest of the Mid-Atlantic Region is struggling and are not playing as well as they were a month ago... giving Scranton a chance to sit at the top of the regional rankings - though I completely agree, I don't see why Scranton is #1 right now since they only win one of the criteria points compared to Cabrini.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
Perhaps part of the reason why Scranton's SOS is unexpectedly high. From the Pool C board:

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 20, 2014, 11:19:35 AM
Five ranked teams benefiting the most from the NCAA's SOS calculation method (NCAA/'Correct'):
1.   NYU – (.551/.498) +.051
2.   Guilford – (.541/.499) +.041
3.   Scranton – (.549/.512) +.037
4.   Dubuque – (.509/.481) +.027
5.   Whitworth – (.521/.494) + .027

The NCAA math gurus calculate the SOS number in a way that makes no sense. They apply the home-away multiplier in the wrong part of the equation.

To know more, you'd have to ask a math guy, not a word guy. But KnightSlappy, the guy with the RPIs and the regional rankings projections, has written about it quite a lot in the past 12 months. The men's basketball committee tried to get it fixed and the D-III championships committee refused.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 20, 2014, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game tonight.

Cardsfan are you a player?

Nope. Just seen most of their games for 15 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 20, 2014, 04:46:48 PM
This has been checked and re-checked several times by several different people, so I think it is accurate: Four teams remain in the hunt for the final playoff berth. The only one of the five who haven't clinched so far that can't make it in is Drew. It is conceivable that all four games on Saturday could help determine the final playoff team.

Men's Basketball
-   Scranton is the No. 1 seed.
-   If Catholic defeats Moravian or Susquehanna loses to USMMA, Catholic is No. 2.
-   Susquehanna has clinched a spot, but could be No. 2, 3 or 4. If Susquehanna defeats USMMA and Catholic loses, Susquehanna is No. 2. If Susquehanna defeats USMMA and Catholic wins, Susquehanna is No. 3.
-   Goucher gets in if Catholic, Drew, Goucher and Susquehanna win. It forces a 3-way tie between Drew, Goucher and USMMA and Goucher wins the tiebreaker.
-   Juniata gets in if Goucher, Moravian, Juniata and Susquehanna win. It forces a 4-way tie between Goucher, Juniata, Moravian and USMMA and Juniata wins the tiebreaker.
-   Moravian gets in Drew, Moravian, Scranton and Susquehanna win. It forces a 3-way tie between Drew, Moravian and USMMA and Moravian wins the tiebreaker.
-   If USMMA wins, they're in and clinch the No. 3 seed. If they lose, they need Scranton and Catholic to win to clinch the No. 4 seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2014, 11:35:48 AM
Gouchersid,
  Thanks for the tiebreaker outcomes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 21, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 20, 2014, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game tonight.

Cardsfan are you a player?

Nope. Just seen most of their games for 15 years.

So what's going on with the team this year? I have followed them on an off since I lived in DC and this year it just seems like they are lost. Is it poor Coaching or recruiting? I think CUA is very expensive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
One of their top players is sick and has been out for a few weeks.

Quote from: CardsFan on February 18, 2014, 01:27:48 PM
First-time poster....
I've seen a lot of posts about Limberiou being out the last 4 games, haven't heard anything official from the team, but I have heard claims that it is a chest-related issue, possible pneumothorax. These are just the grumblings I've heard around the gym. If true, most likely done for the season. Hopefully not done for good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 21, 2014, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 21, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 20, 2014, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game

So what's going on with the team this year? I have followed them on an off since I lived in DC and this year it just seems like they are lost. Is it poor Coaching or recruiting? I think CUA is very expensive.

It is expensive to go there, but there are other small, private schools that cost a lot that have figured out how to stay on top. Big problem this year seems that they are tired. The starters have been run into the ground and they haven't developed reliable options off the bench.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 21, 2014, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 21, 2014, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 21, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 20, 2014, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 19, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
100% credit to Goucher men's basketball for winning a game where they were down by 11 at halftime on the road. Smart game from Alex Noble tonight. I have to say though, it plainly appeared tonight that Catholic's players were not interested in playing basketball tonight. The players looked like they really hated being out there. Goucher deserved to win that game

So what's going on with the team this year? I have followed them on an off since I lived in DC and this year it just seems like they are lost. Is it poor Coaching or recruiting? I think CUA is very expensive.

It is expensive to go there, but there are other small, private schools that cost a lot that have figured out how to stay on top. Big problem this year seems that they are tired. The starters have been run into the ground and they haven't developed reliable options off the bench.

Thanks Coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.

That could be true, which doesn't make much sense. He probably should have won it 3 or 4 times by now
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.

That could be true, which doesn't make much sense. He probably should have won it 3 or 4 times by now

I just looked it up; it's true that Danzig hasn't won it; everyone except Scranton and Goucher has won it 1 time each.
Separately, the worst record in the league is 5-9 and 7 teams were between 8-6 & 5-9 - most competitive year ever.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2014, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.

That could be true, which doesn't make much sense. He probably should have won it 3 or 4 times by now

I just looked it up; it's true that Danzig hasn't won it; everyone except Scranton and Goucher has won it 1 time each.
Separately, the worst record in the league is 5-9 and 7 teams were between 8-6 & 5-9 - most competitive year ever.

Not loving the first round match up against MMA since they already came into the Long Center once and knocked off Scranton. What's with the 530 start time?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2014, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.

That could be true, which doesn't make much sense. He probably should have won it 3 or 4 times by now

I just looked it up; it's true that Danzig hasn't won it; everyone except Scranton and Goucher has won it 1 time each.
Separately, the worst record in the league is 5-9 and 7 teams were between 8-6 & 5-9 - most competitive year ever.

Not loving the first round match up against MMA since they already came into the Long Center once and knocked off Scranton. What's with the 530 start time?

It's a doubleheader, since the women are also hosting a semifinal game(7:30) on the same day; men go 1st this year in Landmark conference play
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2014, 04:18:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2014, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 23, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Any real arguments to be made for the individual awards?

Ross Danzig, Scranton-POY (seems like runaway winner)

Carl Danzig, Scranton-COY (same as above)

Corey Stanford, CUA, Newcomer of the Year (only other candidate I see is Steven Weidlich at Susquehanna).

Sounds good; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I saw previously that Danzig had never won COY despite winning the AQ most years.

That could be true, which doesn't make much sense. He probably should have won it 3 or 4 times by now

I just looked it up; it's true that Danzig hasn't won it; everyone except Scranton and Goucher has won it 1 time each.
Separately, the worst record in the league is 5-9 and 7 teams were between 8-6 & 5-9 - most competitive year ever.

Not loving the first round match up against MMA since they already came into the Long Center once and knocked off Scranton. What's with the 530 start time?

It's a doubleheader, since the women are also hosting a semifinal game(7:30) on the same day; men go 1st this year in Landmark conference play

:-X
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
What is the story with Danny Nee? Is he on the bench tomorrow night or not?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
He hasn't been since mid-January so I guess it would be a surprise if he were now.

Team has been playing better in the past five to six weeks. Wouldn't think there would be a sense of urgency to make another change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2014, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
He hasn't been since mid-January so I guess it would be a surprise if he were now.

Team has been playing better in the past five to six weeks. Wouldn't think there would be a sense of urgency to make another change.

Scranton's preview has him as still the coach and he is still on the website so I was a bit confused.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2014, 03:48:37 PM
As our article indicated... he is on paid administrative leave... so thus you don't take him off the website and other schools can't assume he isn't the coach.

No resolution last I checked to the situation, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
I really need to know the thinking behind the Scranton brain trust coming up with 2:00 & 4:00 as the starting times for the Landmark championship games for both the men & women on Saturday.
I guess wanting the students there & fired up must no longer mean anything.
Happy with 450 at the mens game & 285 for the women's???
If the games were played at 5:30 & 7:30 on a Sat. the place would be nuts.
I'd love for the Scranton AD to explain this one.
What a waste of a chance for a packed Long Center...just plain stupid!




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 07:15:57 AM
They are really limited with the double header and women having to play last. I don't know that you would have gotten more students at 530 rather than 200. I'm sure if you contact the school they will give you their take.

My issue is with creating a little more buzz with the students and some school spirit. Not sure what they can do but the players deserve more support. I'm sure SU fans will travel well on Sat.


Paging Grove... Please report to the message board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
I'm here! Thought I posted the other day, but I don't see it. Oh well.

Now I just have to talk my husband out of going to Baltimore for his birthday on Saturday...

ETA: Don't worry about seeing a lot of SU fans, Scranton. Spring break starts Friday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2014, 08:50:31 AM
You guys are also making a big assumption that Scranton had any control over the game times. They could be set by the conference office.

Certainly a better chance of getting in the newspapers and on TV at 2 and 4. Not sure what your roads are like in Northeast PA but road conditions are almost certainly better to get home at 6:30 than at 10. If you can't get your students to a conference title game then I don't think it matters what time you set it at.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2014, 09:12:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2014, 08:50:31 AM

Certainly a better chance of getting in the newspapers and on TV at 2 and 4. Not sure what your roads are like in Northeast PA but road conditions are almost certainly better to get home at 6:30 than at 10. If you can't get your students to a conference title game then I don't think it matters what time you set it at.

Sorry, I had to chuckle at this, Pat. Roads in NEPA are one big pothole.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on February 27, 2014, 09:12:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2014, 08:50:31 AM

Certainly a better chance of getting in the newspapers and on TV at 2 and 4. Not sure what your roads are like in Northeast PA but road conditions are almost certainly better to get home at 6:30 than at 10. If you can't get your students to a conference title game then I don't think it matters what time you set it at.

Sorry, I had to chuckle at this, Pat. Roads in NEPA are one big pothole.

You know they're bad when one of NEPA's "attractions" is called the Archbald Pothole.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
And who had the bright idea in the conference to have the women play last? No disrespect, but the Women do not draw as much as the men.

Head Scratcher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2014, 12:41:59 PM
My guess is that it's both an attempt at Title IX-esque "balance" (giving the men and women equal shot at the "prime" game times) and a hope that having the men as the lead-in will draw more to the women's games (i.e. "we're here already, let's stick around for game two.")
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2014, 01:05:09 PM
On the roads -- I meant more the ice and snow status. :)

Lot of conferences are alternating year to year. I'm not sure why this is a surprise considering the Landmark semifinals at Scranton were set up the same way, weren't they?

I'd definitely suggest you register your complaints with the conference office and your AD. That's where those things are approved.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 01:29:10 PM
The Landmark is alternating the championship games... next year the men will be second. And believe it or not, Title IX is not the usual reason I hear why the "equality"... more like lawsuits or complaining from those who think there is no equality in game times. Just something to chew on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 27, 2014, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
And who had the bright idea in the conference to have the women play last? No disrespect, but the Women do not draw as much as the men.

Head Scratcher.

not sure if you've attended many Landmark games, but the women ALWAYS out draw the men.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
Which Landmark games? Not all Landmark schools are the same.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 03:55:21 PM
Quote from: Charles on February 27, 2014, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
And who had the bright idea in the conference to have the women play last? No disrespect, but the Women do not draw as much as the men.

Head Scratcher.

not sure if you've attended many Landmark games, but the women ALWAYS out draw the men.

What planet are you on?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 27, 2014, 06:30:25 PM
been to many men and women's Landmark games. What i see is that women's games have more students. What i see in the men's games are the locals.

In my experience and i have seen maybe 20 landmark games  the women's games have the excitement, the men's games have the locals cussing at the refs.

The women's games are more fun. My kids like the women's games batter.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 06:34:04 PM
How many gyms have you been to, Charles? Because most of the gyms I have been to, the men have a higher attendance. Exceptions have been Scranton and sometimes maybe Moravian(?) - if I am missing anyone else, I apologize.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
The attendance numbers are pathetic across the board. I guess that was to be expected with the move to the new conference but if anyone wants to feel depressed look at the attendance numbers on the conference website!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 27, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 06:34:04 PM
How many gyms have you been to, Charles? Because most of the gyms I have been to, the men have a higher attendance. Exceptions have been Scranton and sometimes maybe Moravian(?) - if I am missing anyone else, I apologize.
MMA, Scranton, Catholic, and Moravian always seem to have the women out draw the men.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
There have certainly been times when the Scranton women have outdrawn the men...just not in the past several years.
Last night the men had approx. 750 at their game & as soon as it was over, well over 1/2 the "crowd" left.
For both of these teams the crowds have been pathetic all year.
I have heard time & again that the 2/4 Sat. start times for Scranton games are a large part of the problem.
These times take the atmosphere away right from the start.
Nothing like a packed & raucous Long Center come playoff time & that opportunity is gone.
Two years ago the Royals played Catholic for the championship at 7:30 & the place was packed (2,800). & rocking the entire game.
No way I can see more than 1,000 tops at the mens game & even less for the women on Sat.
Wonder what time Bess would have his Royal's playing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
Merchant Marine?! Are you kidding me?!

According to info online... the men have drawn a total of 3230 at home this season or an average of just under 270 per game. The women have drawn a total of 2367 at an average of 182. By the way, the women had one more home game then the men.

If they had a double-header... the men had an attendance of 1605 (average 321)... women had 755 (average of 151). And more glaring... final home game of the season the men had 650 and the women had 125.

As others have said, Scranton used to out-draw, they don't. I have not been to a Catholic game where the women outdrew the men, but it has been close to equal... maybe Moravian, but I would have to crunch the numbers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 27, 2014, 10:26:26 PM
Home attendance at Catholic is dreadful. Next to zero student attendance on Wednesday nights. Away attendance on numerous occasions has been fewer than 10 total people.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 28, 2014, 04:35:32 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
Merchant Marine?! Are you kidding me?!

According to info online... the men have drawn a total of 3230 at home this season or an average of just under 270 per game. The women have drawn a total of 2367 at an average of 182. By the way, the women had one more home game then the men.

If they had a double-header... the men had an attendance of 1605 (average 321)... women had 755 (average of 151). And more glaring... final home game of the season the men had 650 and the women had 125.

As others have said, Scranton used to out-draw, they don't. I have not been to a Catholic game where the women outdrew the men, but it has been close to equal... maybe Moravian, but I would have to crunch the numbers.

Dave i was at the MMA v CUA game this year at MMA. I spoke with the kids walking in after the mens game and before the womens game and they were just piling in. They told me that they are required to go to the womens games and the place was packed. That being said, since there was no admission fee, how did they come up with attendence?

So I'm guessing you have never been to a CUA basketball game?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Well... usually the administration comes up with the attendance and I am not going to second guess the numbers (except give or take some) when there is that big a discretion.

And I haven't been to Catholic for games?  :o Um... I can't tell you how many games I have attended at CUA... its beyond countless.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 28, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Well... usually the administration comes up with the attendance and I am not going to second guess the numbers (except give or take some) when there is that big a discretion.

And I haven't been to Catholic for games?  :o Um... I can't tell you how many games I have attended at CUA... its beyond countless.
Then you would have noticed that the women always outdraw the men.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
Congrats to the Royals on punching their ticket. So good to see a full loud student section today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
Quote from: Charles on February 28, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Well... usually the administration comes up with the attendance and I am not going to second guess the numbers (except give or take some) when there is that big a discretion.

And I haven't been to Catholic for games?  :o Um... I can't tell you how many games I have attended at CUA... its beyond countless.
Then you would have noticed that the women always outdraw the men.

This is laughable.

- Catholic grad
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2014, 11:16:27 AM
In recent years it seems that interest in the CUA women's team has picked up (which is great) but it has always ebbed and flowed (as has the men's).  I certainly wouldn't say that the women always outdraw the men. 

I would love for there to be better attendance at all games, but when the team is good the students and alumni do tend to show up.  A good home court is there when they need it.

Congrats to Scranton on another title--well deserved.   I think we could have at least challenged had our best player not gone down--this year's team had a lot of talent but was not to the point where they could absorb that kind of loss.  The good news is that we had not one senior so I have high hopes for next year.  Good luck to the Royals in the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2014, 12:05:35 PM
Matt,
  You're right-the loss of Limberiou changed things significantly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2014, 12:47:53 PM
Scranton isn't hosting!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2014, 12:54:11 PM
unreal, catholic gets to host last year but no respect for Scranton this year.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 01:07:58 PM
Please enlighten me...how the heck does Scranton lose a host site with their numbers, location & amount of fans they can bring in?
Tools!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 03, 2014, 01:16:23 PM
I'm not a Scranton homer but it seems ridiculous that they aren't at home.  At first glance the entire Middle Atlantic got very little respect with only one team hosting, Dickinson going to Ohio and Alvernia/Wesley playing each other.  Freedom winner(Desales) getting sent south has become a norm with Del Val being sent twice in recent years.

Are Scranton's women a potential host team?  If so, maybe that displaced the men.  Not sure which team gets preference this year in the rotation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
Scranton homer or not....not seeing any justifiable reason for Scranton not hosting. The men have preference over the women this year. Royals are getting hosed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
DMAC, give Scranton one more dig.


Going on the record picking Hobart?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
Nice job NCAA hacks!
Three (3) SUNY schools hosting, including 1 that plays in a frakin dump.
Well done guys, well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 03, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
Scranton homer or not....not seeing any justifiable reason for Scranton not hosting. The men have preference over the women this year. Royals are getting hosed.

Agreed. Dave and I are both confused as to why Scranton isn't hosting and we'll ask that of Steve Ulrich, the committee chair, in just a moment.
http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/mar3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 04, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
Juniata to the ECACs!
Go Eagles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: GnacBballFan on March 05, 2014, 07:49:07 AM
Juniata needs all the luck they can get at 15-10
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2014, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
Nice job NCAA hacks!
Three (3) SUNY schools hosting, including 1 that plays in a frakin dump.
Well done guys, well done!


Not only does Scranton not host, but they get shipped up North. Tough for the fans to travel and not a traditional hotbed of Scranton supporters.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2014, 10:47:40 AM
It's true that three schools from the SUNY system are hosting but only two are in the SUNYAC and SUNY-Purchase is in the Atlantic, not the East.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 05, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to all the Landmark 1st and 2nd teamers. I think everyone ended up where they should. Also, nice to see coach Danzig finally get Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Here is Pat's take on the Scranton bracket. Not sure what Scranton as a surprise means.



The top right bracket

York, N.Y. (21-7) at Rhode Island College (20-8), winner to Amherst (23-4)
MIT (20-8) at Plattsburgh State (22-5); Husson (26-2) vs. Eastern Connecticut (22-6)
Bridgewater State (16-11) at Cabrini (25-1); Richard Stockton (23-4) vs. Bowdoin (19-5)
Morrisville State (19-8) at Brockport State (24-3); Scranton (24-3) vs. Hobart (21-6)

What everyone's all up in arms about: The fact that two of six East teams who qualified for the tournament got to host, while one of eight Mid-Atlantic teams host.

What do we make of this game? Richard Stockton vs. Bowdoin. And the question is who will win, the NJAC, which has lost nine consecutive NCAA Tournament games, or the team which lost in the NESCAC quarterfinals and hasn't played since Feb. 22?

Most likely to disappoint: Brockport State. Without John Ivy, Brockport goes from a Sweet 16 or even an Elite Eight favorite to a team that's just better than ordinary. Ivy was the SUNYAC player of the year after averaging 22.2 points per game.

Surprise: Scranton. Sorry, Rhode Island College, you can't be a surprise if you have advanced to the second round six times in the past seven years.

Going to Salem: Cabrini. Going a little away from the favorite here, I suspect, but I like Walton-Moss over Toomey in the battle of the Aarons..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
The definition of a surprise team is a road team who can get out of the first weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2014, 12:53:00 PM
Actually, I think the definition of a "surprise" team is when/if the Scranton men ever win another first round game.
I think the Royal's are 1 out of 8 during the current tenure.  :-[
A great year went south in a hurry.
Oh well, in a little over 200 days practice will open for a new year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2014, 01:06:56 PM
High hopes get crushed quickly, and then it's a long wait for another chance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 10, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
A team hits 65% of their FGs and goes 9 / 13 from downtown and still loses by 10+ ?????  O man, I guess it just wasn't meant to be...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
I guess that's why they say, defense wins championships.
This game simply evolved into an intramural scrimmage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 21, 2014, 08:21:45 AM
As per our Express Times here in Easton this morning, Glen Nanius, star forward for North Warren Regional HS committed to Susquehanna.  Total 2,103 career points.  Selected Susquehanna over Catholic and DeSales.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 25, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Thanks for the update Kate.
Speaking of recruiting...Danzig better have his best year ever in the Electric City this season because his bench is thinner than Kate Moss on a hunger strike.
The team has absolutely nothing waiting in the wings after this next season so it might be time to increase his recruiting budget to cover an area or two beyond Clarks Summit.
Perhaps another star from California or Australia will land on his doorstep & all will be well...especially if they can play at least occasional defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 17, 2014, 10:34:59 AM
Can't confirm that Hoopsville is sponsoring a hole...


http://www.scranton.edu/development/athletics-fund/carlesimo/index.shtml


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 17, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
Rumor has it that D Mac is MC'ing the festivities.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 22, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
Someone call me :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on June 14, 2014, 11:12:33 PM
Very sad story impacting the Catholic University community this weekend.

CUA Community Saddened by Death of Jamie Roberts

Jamie Roberts, a staff member and assistant coach in the Catholic University Athletics Department, was killed Friday in an accident while riding her bike across country in support of cancer research. Roberts was the assistant sports information director and an assistant coach of CUA's women's basketball team for the past three years.

She was travelling in Scott County, Kentucky with a group affiliated with the Ulman Cancer Fund when she and another rider were struck by a truck traveling along U.S. 25 N. The group of five cyclists had stopped while Roberts changed a tire on her bike according to a report by the Georgetown News-Graphic. Roberts was pronounced dead at the scene of the accident. The other rider sustained non-life-threatening injuries.

CUA Athletic Director Sean Sullivan said Roberts will be remembered for "her caring nature, considerable warmth, subtle sense of humor, and consistent thoughtfulness."

"It came as little surprise to anyone who knew Jamie when she quietly revealed how she had taken up the daunting challenge of riding her bike some 4,400 miles from Baltimore to Portland to contribute to improving the quality of life for others," Sullivan said. "With little fanfare, she took on this remarkable physical and emotional quest because she felt as though others were in need and she could help. She also displayed these selfless qualities each and every day we were fortunate enough to work with her."

Roberts, was a native of Rockville, Md. She graduated in 2011 from St. Mary's College of Maryland where she majored in economics and excelled as a three-sport athlete. She played lacrosse, and was captain of the soccer and basketball teams She was a member of the Capital Athletic Conference All-Academic Team and was named to the All-CAC Second Team for her outstanding contributions on the basketball court.

"Jamie was an incredible mentor to our young women and friend to us all," said Matthew Donohue, CUA's head women's basketball coach. "In typical Jamie fashion, she was spending her summer dedicating herself to assisting others who have been dealt some very challenging life hurdles."

Donohue said Roberts focused on player development and academic monitoring. "She worked with our girls on the court to help them build their fundamental skills, while also working with them off the court to connect them with peer tutors, academic workshops, and the like," he said.

Roberts is survived by her father, Robert; mother, Julia; brother, Will; and sister, Julia. Information about funeral arrangements is not yet available.

In a message to athletic department staff and members of the women's basketball team, the CUA athletic director wrote: "In moments such as these, we find strength in our faith and sense of community. These are two such reasons as to why the CUA community is so special. Jamie Roberts contributed greatly to creating the wonderfully caring campus that we all enjoy daily. She will be deeply missed and will continue to serve as the strongest of reminders as to how we can intentionally choose to lead our lives for the betterment of others."


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More news from CUA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2014, 10:51:04 AM
 A sad story, indeed. I've been acquainted with Jamie for a few years from working out at the same health club,  her playing for St. Mary's, coaching for rival CU, and scouting prospects at AAU tourneys; going to miss renewing those with such a lady in the future. My daughter is a tri-athlete and she frequently mentions the hazards of the biking component of her training. My condolences to Jamie's family, Coach Donohue, and the CU community. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 18, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
Sad news to be sure... I remember her play and she certainly made an impact at SMC, CUA, and elsewhere.

On a separate note, USMMA was already in the process of officially hiring a new coach, but now they have no one internal to hire: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/merchant-marine-interim-coach-jumps-ship-for-maine-maritime (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/merchant-marine-interim-coach-jumps-ship-for-maine-maritime)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
For those who may not know... Catholic will once again be participating in the Hoopsville Classic on November 21-23. Here is more information and the pairings: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 01, 2014, 09:47:40 AM
Just wanted to official welcome the Etown Blue Jays to the Landmark. Is that all for expansion or are more like minded institutions looking to join?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 07, 2014, 03:53:15 PM
Don't count out changes... I suspect Etown's move won't be the only one in the near future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 24, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
Scranton Ranked #21 in pre-season poll. Voter must be expecting big things from Ross Danzig this year. Some question marks with this team still...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2014, 11:43:54 AM
More like tons of question marks for all Top 25 teams... I didn't want to include Scranton in my poll based on the question marks you are alluding to... but I also didn't have reasons not to include them compared to everyone else. It was a very difficult pre-season poll this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
My Landmark forecast(before the coaches' vote is released):

Scranton    13-3
Catholic      11-5
7-way battle for other 2 playoff spots(even tighter than last year's 5-way battle for 4th playoff spot) 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 27, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
Watch etown.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
Article on Scranton


http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/11/ross-danzig-hoping-for-big-finale-at-scranton/


and Conference  Pre-Season Poll:

1.    Scranton (8)    80
2.    Catholic (1)
   64
3.    Susquehanna
   51
4.    USMMA    38
5.    Drew    30
6.    Juniata    26
7.    Elizabethtown    25
8.    Goucher    20
9.    Moravian    17
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2014, 11:02:58 AM
I believe this is part of an initiative to get all 5 Service academies on ESPN. Any idea when MMA is going to get their turn?


http://espnevents.com/armed-forces-classic/press/u-s-coast-guard-academy-mens-basketball-play-armed-forces-classic/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
Considering MMA is part of the Department of Transportation... and the other five are part of the Department of Defense... not sure. I don't see any plans as they will travel to the Marines and Navy in the next two seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 11, 2014, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
Considering MMA is part of the Department of Transportation... and the other five are part of the Department of Defense... not sure. I don't see any plans as they will travel to the Marines and Navy in the next two seasons.

Coast Guard Department of Defense?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
Sorry... part of U.S. Homeland Security... used to be part of Transportation (before that Treasury).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
I am a MAC CWealth follower. Saw Alvernia who lost a TON was close to Scranton at Scranton. How is Scranton this year and are the a legit power in the region?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
I am a MAC CWealth follower. Saw Alvernia who lost a TON was close to Scranton at Scranton. How is Scranton this year and are the a legit power in the region?

Too early to tell. Scranton's best player went down early with an ankle injury and didn't return. Believe their PG also didn't play.

How much did Alvernia lose?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
I am a MAC CWealth follower. Saw Alvernia who lost a TON was close to Scranton at Scranton. How is Scranton this year and are the a legit power in the region?

Scranton was a legit power after seeing the 1st game(Centenary), but now we'll have to see the outcome of the 2 injuries before they retain that evaluation. Alvernia is small(4 starters(6' or less)), but the post is good and they beat a good team(John Carroll) in the 1st game. They let Scranton off the hook in the 2nd half when they had a 5-pt lead and 3 Scranton starters on the bench(2-injuries, 1-fouls).   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2014, 10:36:11 AM
Alvernia is in a rebuilding mode.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2014, 10:36:11 AM
Alvernia is in a rebuilding mode.

I feel pretty confident when saying I know the Mac Commonwealth :)

Alvernia will not be a playoff team in their conference unless they get a few gifts at Christmas (transfers). They have 2 quality starters in Deyo and Clark. Clark is playing way out of position at the 1. Deyo is not an offensive skill player. He's a great offensive rebounded and has good hands to rebound and finish or finish drop off passes by guards. He is a dynamite shot blocker. Turner and Miller are not starting caliber in regards to a team looking towards the post season. Cooper is a tough nosed player with some scoring ability but needs guys around him. Without help at Christmas, I'll give them a generous 13-12.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Shall we read this room it's last rites?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
a lot of the boards are gasping for air
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2014, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Shall we read this room it's last rites?

1st full(1 team sitting out) slate of conference games tonite - optimistically we'll get some comments from the 2 Card followers and 1 each for Juniata and Susquehanna; haven't seen an Etown commentator on the MAC board in the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
a lot of the boards are gasping for air

Lots of other outlets (twitter, etc) maybe we migrate to the general mid atlantic board..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 03, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 03, 2014, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Shall we read this room it's last rites?

1st full(1 team sitting out) slate of conference games tonite - optimistically we'll get some comments from the 2 Card followers and 1 each for Juniata and Susquehanna; haven't seen an Etown commentator on the MAC board in the past.

I see that the board has been quiet so far this season, I was waiting until Catholic got into conference play. Good win for the Cards tonight 65-58 over a good Susquehanna team tonight. Susquehanna got out to a ten-point lead midway through the first half but Catholic chipped away and took a lead into the half. Susquehanna went ice cold from 3 in the 2nd half (1-for-15). I was glad to see a much better defensive effort from the Cards tonight after DeSales was able to get whatever they wanted last Sunday. Big game from freshman Jay Howard (21 points, 6 boards) for the Cards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2014, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on December 03, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 03, 2014, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Shall we read this room it's last rites?

1st full(1 team sitting out) slate of conference games tonite - optimistically we'll get some comments from the 2 Card followers and 1 each for Juniata and Susquehanna; haven't seen an Etown commentator on the MAC board in the past.

I see that the board has been quiet so far this season, I was waiting until Catholic got into conference play. Good win for the Cards tonight 65-58 over a good Susquehanna team tonight. Susquehanna got out to a ten-point lead midway through the first half but Catholic chipped away and took a lead into the half. Susquehanna went ice cold from 3 in the 2nd half (1-for-15). I was glad to see a much better defensive effort from the Cards tonight after DeSales was able to get whatever they wanted last Sunday. Big game from freshman Jay Howard (21 points, 6 boards) for the Cards.

  Susquehanna's Hedley going 0-7 on 3-pters was a big factor; he may have been pressing before his hometown fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2014, 11:06:39 AM
I witnessed a game I never expected last night... Goucher 102 Moravian 92. It was unreal. Both teams lead by players who scored 30 or more while several others were in double-figures. I was so surprised by the game I announced the wrong player's name on several baskets...

Not sure what to make of it... but Moravian started strong and Goucher looked as bad as they have all season with turnovers left and right. But something clicked... the Gophers got more aggressive on defense and it turned into trading baskets marathon several times during the game. Goucher even hit a half-court bomb at the halftime buzzer after Moravian and clicked off two or three straight possessions to retake the lead.

Eventually, Moravian couldn't keep up with the Gophers transitional defense and full court pressure. It was closer than a ten point game for a vast majority of the game (except the opening five minutes when Goucher was getting crushed and the last couple of minutes when Goucher pulled away slightly). Both teams have pieces in place... the question is if they can put them together consistently throughout the season. Moravian is far better then their record would indicate... Goucher is an enigma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2014, 07:41:25 PM
NEPA, Ronk, et al.

I think things will pick up as the season progresses.
Still plenty of time for the coach of the Royals to drive some fans crazy.

Couple of questions......
Which Royal team advances further this year?
I'm hearing Vegas is taking a lot of high rollers banking on the Scranton women.

Will the Royal brain trust  move a certain player from the end of the bench to a vital part of the rotation after his needed minutes vs. Cabrini netted needed points?

What the hell is Dan Duquette doing to the O's this winter?

The Goucher mens team being referred to as an "enigma".......d-mac, haven't we heard that refrain for about the last 10 years? :)

Not being very deep...can the Royals remain healthy all season?

Let's hope so...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Saratoga,
   Hope that game(Cabrini) gives him the confidence to follow up; he has the physical skills; it was a change from the tentativeness previously. And loved his block of a Walton-Moss drive.
  Doolan showed well in replacing Kelly; nice to have a PG who can make FTs and limits TOs. Kelly looks promising, also. Justin's playing well and Marcus is doing better than I had hoped. All in all, this is as much depth as they've had in a while; I'm optimistic. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
Saratoga,
  I'm even more optimistic about the women, but we'll see if they're a top 5 team this month after playing Eastern, Tufts, and Babson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2014, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2014, 11:06:39 AM
I witnessed a game I never expected last night... Goucher 102 Moravian 92. It was unreal. Both teams lead by players who scored 30 or more while several others were in double-figures. I was so surprised by the game I announced the wrong player's name on several baskets...

Not sure what to make of it... but Moravian started strong and Goucher looked as bad as they have all season with turnovers left and right. But something clicked... the Gophers got more aggressive on defense and it turned into trading baskets marathon several times during the game. Goucher even hit a half-court bomb at the halftime buzzer after Moravian and clicked off two or three straight possessions to retake the lead.

Eventually, Moravian couldn't keep up with the Gophers transitional defense and full court pressure. It was closer than a ten point game for a vast majority of the game (except the opening five minutes when Goucher was getting crushed and the last couple of minutes when Goucher pulled away slightly). Both teams have pieces in place... the question is if they can put them together consistently throughout the season. Moravian is far better then their record would indicate... Goucher is an enigma.

I imagine Coach Trevino will be wanting to see if his team can reproduce the effort. A couple of years ago, I saw a dominating performance(all-time top 10 Landmark-short history that it is) by one of his players against Scranton-that player is still on his team but plays < 10 mins/game; it's hard to reconcile those 2 realities.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
Pretty sure I know who you are talking about... and I am pretty sure he went off for 31 against Moravian Wednesday night :)

Thus... the enigma. It is the entire team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2014, 01:50:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
Pretty sure I know who you are talking about... and I am pretty sure he went off for 31 against Moravian Wednesday night :)

Thus... the enigma. It is the entire team.

Not the one-think small forward(11-15 FGA, 29 pts, couldn't be stopped down low)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2014, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 04, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Saratoga,
   Hope that game(Cabrini) gives him the confidence to follow up; he has the physical skills; it was a change from the tentativeness previously. And loved his block of a Walton-Moss drive.
  Doolan showed well in replacing Kelly; nice to have a PG who can make FTs and limits TOs. Kelly looks promising, also. Justin's playing well and Marcus is doing better than I had hoped. All in all, this is as much depth as they've had in a while; I'm optimistic.

I wonder if Doolan has jumped over Kelly on the depth chart?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2014, 04:05:19 PM
Understanding position depth & player rotation used at Scranton requires a post graduate degree in nuclear physics and advanced calculus.
My humble opinion...he has.
Seemed much more comfortable against Cabrini with some playing time under his belt.
Funny how those two things seem to go together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
How bout Columbia sticking with Kentucky...turn to ESPN 2 if you guys have nothing going on tonight....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2014, 10:14:09 PM
The power of "like mindedness"
Fear the Ivy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
Nerdball pride!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on December 16, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
Curious for the followers of this region ... have any of you seen Bobby Casey from Scranton Prep play?  He is headed to Williams College next year, the first Eph recruit from that area that I can recall ... (although they've had a few from around Philly).  Would love to hear impressions ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2014, 06:11:23 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 16, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
Curious for the followers of this region ... have any of you seen Bobby Casey from Scranton Prep play?  He is headed to Williams College next year, the first Eph recruit from that area that I can recall ... (although they've had a few from around Philly).  Would love to hear impressions ...

Not me; maybe saratoga has seen him play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
My daughter just graduated from SP in 2012.
I'll see what she might know.
I'm thinking this might be US Senator Bob Casey's son???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
Early thoughts: don't love this conference this season. I think Scranton has the capabilities of walking away this season. I just don't have the confidence Catholic can put it together every night to compete (they show moments of being a very good team - but can't put it together for 40 minutes or every night). No one else has impressed me as of yet (granted, I have not seen all of the teams). The excitement heading into the final game day last season may only exist to determine who maybe back-doors their way into the conference tournament.

This conference needs a shot in the arm. Except Scranton's interesting run to the Elite 8 and Catholic's short-run to the second round... no team has gotten past the first round in the eight years this conference has existed. I don't know many coaches who would disagree that this conference seems to be one that deserves respect considering the make-up of teams (name recognition), but has yet to earn national respect due to a lack of stepping up and getting it done.

At this point, this is a one-bid league unless Scranton is upset in the conference tournament. Catholic has the pieces... they just don't have the ability to do anything with it, yet. I liked what I saw in game one of the Hoopsville Classic; did not like what I saw in game two or since.

Teams at the bottom need to find a way to step up and improve during the season. Teams at the top need to find a way to step up when post-season opportunities present themselves (and I am NOT talking about ECACs). This conference has been around since 2006 and has had plenty of high hopes... yet in the Mid-Atlantic region it ranks behind the MAC Commonwealth, Capital Athletic, and even the Centennial of only four conferences. Here's hoping things can be figured out.

(Sorry for the rant... this has been bugging me for a very long time.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2014, 11:30:06 PM
 I largely agree with your assessment of the lack of NCAA tourney success for the Landmark although there's been 7 seasons, not 8, MMA's 2010 victory over Wesley was omitted and Catholic's run was unfortunately cut short by the combo of admin benching of 2nd best player and injury to best player in that 2nd round game. Scranton's 4 1st round losses(Hobart,Becker,Brandeis, and Elms) were all winnable games, but they didn't get it done.
  Having a conference of like-minded probably just means a tighter battle from top to bottom within the conference; it's not going to affect NCAA postseason success. On the other hand, I predict the closest battle for conference playoff spots in its history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 16, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
Curious for the followers of this region ... have any of you seen Bobby Casey from Scranton Prep play?  He is headed to Williams College next year, the first Eph recruit from that area that I can recall ... (although they've had a few from around Philly).  Would love to hear impressions ...

I just remembered that Scranton Prep is coming down Saturday to my area to play Georgetown Prep. Maybe amh63(who lives nearby) can be talked into attending and evaluating for the benefit of the nescacers; he probably would if Casey were going to Amherst instead of Williams(he did that for a FY Amherst women's bballer last year). There's only a slim chance that I'll go, myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2014, 11:46:25 PM
ronk - I was rounding up to this season ;)

I did forget MMA's win... thank you for pointing that out... will keep it in the memory bank from now on.

Listen, "like minded institutions" win all the time. Look at the NESCAC, UAA, CCIW, ODAC, etc., etc., etc. The institutions in the Landmark haven't figured it out and keep getting beat by teams they shouldn't lose to (as you point out with Scranton). I will admit that CUA wins if they don't have an injury to their big guy... but having their second best player (and honestly, at that point in the season I don't think he was second best - maybe fourth) on the bench due to clearly a major problem I don't think would have held them back from beating Williams. However, the facts also are they didn't win.

I guess I am tired of people within and outside of the conference who think some of these teams are better than they proven to be. And as one who has an alma mater in this conference (don't get me started) I want to see it succeed. It just doesn't hold up and that is disappointing.

And as for your prediction... considering all but one team was alive for a playoff spot heading into the last game of the season last year... I don't know if this year will be closer... especially considering I don't think that many teams will be alive by that point in the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
D-Mac:

Somewhat related to your rant, I have a question about the status of coaches in D3. Do D3 coaches get fired? I know that some Men's coaches are also AD's at their respective Landmark school, so firing is probably out of the question. My point is what do you expect to change with these struggling Landmark teams?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nescac1 on December 17, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
Thanks, ronk and saratoga!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
DMac....
Very much agree & I think I've been fairly clear on my less than enthusiastic appreciation of what the Scranton men have been able to do on the court the past 10/12 seasons.
One year resembles the next...win the games you should, lose the games you should, very few upsets on the win side, more than a few on the loss side.
Get to the NCAA's....lose first round.
If not for Matt's unbelievable heave at the buzzer 3 years ago, the Royals would still be looking for their first win in the tournament with a team recruited by the current coach.
I'm sure everyone works their tail off to make things right...just not happening beyond what turns out to be a pretty boring league.
To be perfectly honest, it was much more fun from a fans perspective when they played Friday/Sat. or Sat./Sunday back to backs.
There is zero visible investment under the current AD leadership that leads me to believe the Royals are ready to turn the corner.
No fans from the community until the end of the year, no students till the end of the year, no evening games, no pep band anymore,no coverage in the papers, just a very, very vanilla program.
I mean how many teams these days with hopes of regaining a degree of national prominence must do so with only 1 Asst. coach???
Most teams come into the Long Center with three, four and even five coaches...not the Royals...just 2 coaches.
What that says about commitment from the Administration comes through loud & clear.....just like the support from the community is coming through loud & clear...to the tune of 100 people in the stands for a moronic 5:00pm start for a Scranton women's game.
If I were the tournament sponsor...I'd want a refund.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
D-Mac:

Somewhat related to your rant, I have a question about the status of coaches in D3. Do D3 coaches get fired? I know that some Men's coaches are also AD's at their respective Landmark school, so firing is probably out of the question. My point is what do you expect to change with these struggling Landmark teams?

Yep... often. Doesn't usually make the headlines, but LVC canned their women's coach this off-season (only one off the top of my head in this region). However, there isn't as much push to have successful teams in Division III when other priorities like enrollment come into play. I am not sure if any schools in this conference would get rid of coaches (or if any are on the hot seat) because they aren't winning or being competitive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
DMac....
Very much agree & I think I've been fairly clear on my less than enthusiastic appreciation of what the Scranton men have been able to do on the court the past 10/12 seasons.
One year resembles the next...win the games you should, lose the games you should, very few upsets on the win side, more than a few on the loss side.
Get to the NCAA's....lose first round.
If not for Matt's unbelievable heave at the buzzer 3 years ago, the Royals would still be looking for their first win in the tournament with a team recruited by the current coach.
I'm sure everyone works their tail off to make things right...just not happening beyond what turns out to be a pretty boring league.
To be perfectly honest, it was much more fun from a fans perspective when they played Friday/Sat. or Sat./Sunday back to backs.
There is zero visible investment under the current AD leadership that leads me to believe the Royals are ready to turn the corner.
No fans from the community until the end of the year, no students till the end of the year, no evening games, no pep band anymore,no coverage in the papers, just a very, very vanilla program.
I mean how many teams these days with hopes of regaining a degree of national prominence must do so with only 1 Asst. coach???
Most teams come into the Long Center with three, four and even five coaches...not the Royals...just 2 coaches.
What that says about commitment from the Administration comes through loud & clear.....just like the support from the community is coming through loud & clear...to the tune of 100 people in the stands for a moronic 5:00pm start for a Scranton women's game.
If I were the tournament sponsor...I'd want a refund.

It isn't the quantity of coaches but the quality.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 18, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
QuoteDo D3 coaches get fired?

Dave's right. It happens and we have a section of the website that tracks a lot of those moves.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/coaching-carousel

Scroll down to the stories that occurred in the early off season for those about coaches leaving a job.  You'll notice there aren't a lot of stories that use the word "fired."  But you'll find a few that say, "Coach X was dismissed," "Coach X stepped down," or use another euphemistic term, like this one:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/05/matt-neil-out-as-hope-mens-coach

There are also a lot of stories that say, "Coach X left his/her position for another job and school Y will conduct a search for his replacement."  If a school sends us a release announcing that kind of change, I usually assume the coach left on relatively good terms.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sunny on December 18, 2014, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
D-Mac:

Somewhat related to your rant, I have a question about the status of coaches in D3. Do D3 coaches get fired? I know that some Men's coaches are also AD's at their respective Landmark school, so firing is probably out of the question. My point is what do you expect to change with these struggling Landmark teams?

Yep... often. Doesn't usually make the headlines, but LVC canned their women's coach this off-season (only one off the top of my head in this region). However, there isn't as much push to have successful teams in Division III when other priorities like enrollment come into play. I am not sure if any schools in this conference would get rid of coaches (or if any are on the hot seat) because they aren't winning or being competitive.

Yep. I'm startled by the assumption that I think some people make that the only reason a coach would get fired is lack of winning. I would wager that most dismissals (contract not renewed, faux resignations, etc., included) at this level come for reasons other than or in concert with a lack of winning. A coach may have little on-court success but bring a lot to the table in other ways (great academic/student behavior track record of players, keeps alumni intere$ted in the school/program, etc.). Likewise, a coach may have a very good or average record and get the boot for any of the same reasons any other college or university employee would.

I'm also startled by the inference in an earlier post that a coach who doubles as an AD couldn't be fired. Um, pretty sure that the AD still reports to someone ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2014, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
No fans from the community until the end of the year, no students till the end of the year, no evening games, no pep band anymore,no coverage in the papers, just a very, very vanilla program.

Scranton had a pep band?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2014, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2014, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
No fans from the community until the end of the year, no students till the end of the year, no evening games, no pep band anymore,no coverage in the papers, just a very, very vanilla program.

Scranton had a pep band?

Well,it was really Manny, Moe, and Jack. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 18, 2014, 05:26:49 PM
Now you see why I miss you guys  ;) - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 18, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Sorry ladies and gents, but this is a one-team league, and it really has been since it began. Aside from one good year from USMMA and one good year from CUA, it's the same story each season. To me, Scranton is clearly soooo much better than everyone else in the league. This season in particular, I have no idea who is going to finish between 2nd and 7th. I wouldn't be surprised if CUA finished anywhere in there.

The Cards are not a very good team right now (defensively atrocious) and probably won't improve a great deal from now until the end of the season.

To the Scranton followers here, I have seen your frustrations with the state of your program and you are clearly more involved in the day-to-day operations than the once/twice a year I see them. All I can say is that from the outside, I marvel at the level your program has maintained since the Landmark Conference began. I truly enjoy the kind of basketball those kids play. However, I can understand your frustrations at what you must see as underachieving in the NCAA tournament. My reply to that is that it could always be much worse. I would love for Catholic to be at the level of winning 20 games a season and going out early in the NCAAs.

I am really stunned at what has become acceptable with the CUA program over the last 10 seasons. It has gone from a program that won 20-24 games a season and won conference titles to one that now seems to measure success by the quality of Divison-1 opponent it can schedule for an exhibition. The most depressing thing has been to watch any semblance of mental toughness leave the teams. This is now a program that hopes for 15-18 wins and hopefully make the Landmark conference title game. It's pretty bad hoping for an ECAC bid at the end of the season. All I'm saying is that coming from someone who has followed a program when it was on top, it's shocking how it can be taken for granted.

I'm sorry if this seems long-winded and/or harsh towards the team I follow, especially since I'm relatively new to the boards. It's just something that I've been thinking about for a long time and seems appropriate on this day of rants.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2014, 08:50:30 PM
Scranton goes 1-1 in Vegas, lost to Husson who went 2-0, also beating Hampden Sydney. Thanks to the D3hoops crew for providing the Hi Def video and commentary.

We have come a long way from checking the box scores after games in the newspapers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2015, 03:02:44 PM
Shhhhh... it wasn't high-def ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2015, 02:44:38 PM
Scranton pulls out two close contests this weekend.
On the plus side, a win is a win.
On the other side, Scranton is clearly the more talented team vs. Kings & Wilkes...they just refuse to play perimeter defense, don't box out, get very few second chance shots & just want to break down the court.
Thank God for Justin Klingman & Brenden Boken...clearly the two MVP's of the season thus far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2015, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 03, 2015, 02:44:38 PM
Scranton pulls out two close contests this weekend.
On the plus side, a win is a win.
On the other side, Scranton is clearly the more talented team vs. Kings & Wilkes...they just refuse to play perimeter defense, don't box out, get very few second chance shots & just want to break down the court.
Thank God for Justin Klingman & Brenden Boken...clearly the two MVP's of the season thus far.

  As evidenced by the 10-1 offensive rebound deficit against Hanover-I didn't see today's game(off watching the Lady Royals,instead) or half of last nite's game(video problems); the little things do make much difference in the NCAA tourney when the usual is your oft-cited 1 and out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 03, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
Exciting finish in Washington, DC tonight at CUA beat USMMA 65-64 on a Bryson Fonville jumper with 3.2 seconds left and USMMA was unable to get a good look at the basket on the final possession. I could focus on the negative that CUA's defense ranged from nonexistent to poor on the night, but I'm going to focus on the positive that CUA played most of the 2nd half without Fonville (foul trouble) and was able to take and keep a slight lead without him.

Random thought: this was CUA's 2nd straight Landmark game that was a real foul-plagued game. It wasn't dirty and there were a lot of ticky-tac fouls that lead to the game being a foul-shooting contest. I'm wondering if other games around the league have been similar?

Also, while I wouldn't call USMMA a good team, on the evidence of tonight they are certainly better than their 2-9 recond would indicate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2015, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 03, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
Exciting finish in Washington, DC tonight at CUA beat USMMA 65-64 on a Bryson Fonville jumper with 3.2 seconds left and USMMA was unable to get a good look at the basket on the final possession. I could focus on the negative that CUA's defense ranged from nonexistent to poor on the night, but I'm going to focus on the positive that CUA played most of the 2nd half without Fonville (foul trouble) and was able to take and keep a slight lead without him.

Random thought: this was CUA's 2nd straight Landmark game that was a real foul-plagued game. It wasn't dirty and there were a lot of ticky-tac fouls that lead to the game being a foul-shooting contest. I'm wondering if other games around the league have been similar?

Also, while I wouldn't call USMMA a good team, on the evidence of tonight they are certainly better than their 2-9 recond would indicate.

I don't think there's going to be much difference between teams 2 through 9 this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2015, 11:00:30 AM
Saratoga

Did you know Scranton is 8-0 at the Cross County Challenge?

DMAC

You saw scranton and Amherst in the past 10 days, who impressed you more and why?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
Amherst impressed me more. Scranton is a good team, but Amherst, while young, seems to be on the same page more. Scranton still has guys who try and do individual things while Amherst knows they have to rely on everyone.

It just seems Scranton isn't always sure on the court what they want to do on offense. Where as Amherst knows they have presence inside to consider and can play an inside-outside game and get open looks. Amherst is also the better passing team of the two and plays a bit better on the defensive side of things.

And before it comes up later, it wouldn't be surprising if Scranton blew the doors off Goucher while Amherst needed a three to force OT and win the game. Goucher was amped up for Amherst. I have never seen Trevino more passionate about coaching the games during the game than in this game ... because it was Amherst. If the Gophers can take what they learned and saw how they played against the Lord Jeffs, then they are going to be a different team the rest of the way. But it is also hard to play with that kind of intensity and go-get-them every single game when it might not be in your nature.

Back to Scranton and Amherst... I will probably leave both in my Top 15, but not sure either are Top 10.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
NEPA:
Regarding your question of knowing about the 8-0 record....
Answer...Yes.
Until this year, I've seen just about every one of them.
Did you know that once lowly Marywood has also gone 2-0 the past 2 years?
Too bad Scranton has refused to play Marywood since their 3 point buzzer beater of the Royals about 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2015, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 04, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
NEPA:
Regarding your question of knowing about the 8-0 record....
Answer...Yes.
Until this year, I've seen just about every one of them.
Did you know that once lowly Marywood has also gone 2-0 the past 2 years?
Too bad Scranton has refused to play Marywood since their 3 point buzzer beater of the Royals about 8 years ago.

Yes they must be afraid of Marywood.  ::)

I know Marywood went 2-0 this year, not sure their record last year.

My point, things could be worse, we could always be fans of Kings or Wilkes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
Considering some of the clunkers Scranton schedules from clunker conferences...there is no reason not to play another DIII school in the same city separated by about 4 miles.
I mean it's not even "cross town", more like cross 1/3 town.
Unless of course they are still......... :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2015, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 05, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
Considering some of the clunkers Scranton schedules from clunker conferences...there is no reason not to play another DIII school in the same city separated by about 4 miles.
I mean it's not even "cross town", more like cross 1/3 town.
Unless of course they are still......... :-[


Yeah and let's get Johnson School of Technology on the schedule too.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2015, 10:46:20 PM
Don't give him any ideas.   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Scranton survives another conference game, 70-68 in Sellingsgrove.


Whew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
Catholic survives against Goucher as well... 77-56 ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
d-mac was right.
Up for Amherst, then blown out.
Although not Scranton (they don't believe in blow outs), but it was one of their top rivals from many years together.
If there was no juice left for Catholic, is the rest of the season getting packed in?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2015, 05:46:50 PM
By the way NEPA:
Not sure Scranton won this game as much as the Crusaders lost it.
I mean Scranton goes the final 3 plus minutes without scoring, up 5 & yet Susquehanna only manages 3 points in that span.
I think Scranton had just about everything...missed front ends of one & ones, turnovers, shot clock violations, airballs...you name it.
In over 3 minutes not one good shot at the hoop. Nobody stepping up saying give me the ball.
On the other end, the kid from Susquehanna should have tied the game with his layup...just flat out missed it.
Teams are simply driving by Scranton's guards and getting in the lane for layups, easy jumpers & reach in fouls.
The defense simply has to improve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2015, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 09, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
d-mac was right.
Up for Amherst, then blown out.
Although not Scranton (they don't believe in blow outs), but it was one of their top rivals from many years together.
If there was no juice left for Catholic, is the rest of the season getting packed in?

No... they had juice against Juniata and came back in that one. I think they have it... the honest problem is I don't think this group cares that Catholic is a rival... if they could understand that and start treating the game accordingly... it would be different. I think they still have juice and we will see it again... they just can't put back-to-back games together, sadly. They have Scranton ahead... might not be up for that either... but I suspect they have some more wins in them even an upset later in the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 10, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
I'm not sure CUA-Goucher can be seen as a rivalry these days. There are certainly no traces of any old CAC animus and none of the current CUA players have any idea of the old games. They certainly don't get up to play Goucher any more than the other teams in the league.

I left the game the other night confused by Goucher. They seem lost offensively and defensively. They have this big kid, Outing, who was consistently in excellent post position all night and the guards would only give him the slightest of looks every possession and never give him the ball, as they were content to keep shooting from deep all game.

I look at Alex Noble from Goucher as a good metaphor for their team. Some nights capable of great play and other nights capable of playing 12 minutes and contributing nothing more than a single assist.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2015, 10:25:34 PM
The Royals lose to a team with 3 wins all season & just got blown out at home by 30 points to St. John Fisher last week.
Another game where they don't play 40 minutes...blowing a 13 point lead with about 10 to play & then, as they have for years, forget to play perimeter D & get burned.....yet again, by a 3 at the buzzer.
Deja vu' all over again, Groundhog day, whatever....some things never change.
Nice to see Brian Farrell, who's never really been given any pt, come off the bench in his first real action in 3 years and play such a well rounded game.
Geez, what a concept, give some kids a chance & they actually get it done when you finally play them.
If....and that is a very big IF, the Royals somehow manage to win the Landmark, I see absolutely no reason to believe this season will end any differently than all the others.
Hello/Goodbye.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2015, 01:14:41 PM
Toga,

Which team were you rooting for?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2015, 05:25:26 PM
NEPA:
The team that wears the ugliest home uniforms in the world.
This includes the current Russian, Cuban, Salvadorian, Latvian & Kazakstan National teams.
Kind of a combination of suburban hood meets 8th grade dirty practice jerseys.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2015, 12:36:12 AM
 Showdown Saturday in the Landmark, predicting lowest total margin of victory for a slate of league games:

Scranton @ Catholic
MMA @ Juniata
Drew @ Susque
E-town @ Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 17, 2015, 08:15:25 PM
I have to admit that I did not see today's result in DC happening. Regardless of whatever Scranton's deficiencies are, I've just come to expect them to beat CUA (evidenced by their 15-2 record vs. CUA since Landmark play began). Aside from some early back-and-forth, CUA led for the majority of the game. They built their lead as big as 19 points in the 2nd half before Scranton made the run that I was waiting for them to make and closed the gap as close as 6 on a couple of occasions late in the half. Thankfully CUA made enough free throws at the end to keep hold of the game and see out the win.

Was glad to see there was actually a crowd for the game and the atmosphere was appropriate for a game between the current conference leaders. I fully expect a Scranton win in the return game, but this was a big win for CUA today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
 Cards deserved the victory with their defensive effort and crashing the offensive board. Jay Howard looks like he'll be a good one. Wasn't expecting the Cards to play this well w/o Limberiou and Prince, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 19, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Cards deserved the victory with their defensive effort and crashing the offensive board. Jay Howard looks like he'll be a good one. Wasn't expecting the Cards to play this well w/o Limberiou and Prince, also.

There was no way the team would replace Limberiou's outside shooting, but losing Prince was addition by subtraction.

Also, for our Scranton followers is Ross Danzig carrying an injury? I've heard conflicting reports as to his health over the last week, but he seemed healthy enough to play 37 minutes on Saturday. Just wondering.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 19, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Cards deserved the victory with their defensive effort and crashing the offensive board. Jay Howard looks like he'll be a good one. Wasn't expecting the Cards to play this well w/o Limberiou and Prince, also.

There was no way the team would replace Limberiou's outside shooting, but losing Prince was addition by subtraction.

Also, for our Scranton followers is Ross Danzig carrying an injury? I've heard conflicting reports as to his health over the last week, but he seemed healthy enough to play 37 minutes on Saturday. Just wondering.

  No, the injury was suffered by FR PG Kevin Doolan who was starting since the 2nd game of the season and was very effective over the most recent month of play. He might be sidelined a few more games. Ross was injured in the 1st week of the season, but returned to action 6 days later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2015, 10:50:05 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 19, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Cards deserved the victory with their defensive effort and crashing the offensive board. Jay Howard looks like he'll be a good one. Wasn't expecting the Cards to play this well w/o Limberiou and Prince, also.

There was no way the team would replace Limberiou's outside shooting, but losing Prince was addition by subtraction.

Also, for our Scranton followers is Ross Danzig carrying an injury? I've heard conflicting reports as to his health over the last week, but he seemed healthy enough to play 37 minutes on Saturday. Just wondering.

He's not been at full strength all year.  Nothing to keep him off the floor, but he's not able to play to his full abilities - might not be the whole year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2015, 10:19:43 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 19, 2015, 10:50:05 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 19, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Cards deserved the victory with their defensive effort and crashing the offensive board. Jay Howard looks like he'll be a good one. Wasn't expecting the Cards to play this well w/o Limberiou and Prince, also.

There was no way the team would replace Limberiou's outside shooting, but losing Prince was addition by subtraction.

Also, for our Scranton followers is Ross Danzig carrying an injury? I've heard conflicting reports as to his health over the last week, but he seemed healthy enough to play 37 minutes on Saturday. Just wondering.

He's not been at full strength all year.  Nothing to keep him off the floor, but he's not able to play to his full abilities - might not be the whole year.


Yes, Ross has been off a bit this year, likely due to the injury.


Mid Season awards:

http://www.bennettrank.com/div-3/d3-mens-basketball-midseason-awards-landmark-conference/#
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2015, 01:54:52 PM
RD clearly not living up to pre season All American hype.
Free throw shooting has been horrible, doesn't seem to want the ball.
Injury...who knows.
Boken is absolutely the league MVP up to this point.
The Royals would have considerably more losses without his game at both ends of the floor game in & game out.
How do you even suggest a kid from a team with one or two wins is league MVP???
Do .308 hitters with 30 HR's & 108 RBI's for last place teams that finish 28 games out win MVP's???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:51 PM
Andre Dawson is always the answer to any question like that. :) But not sure what a University of Kansas alum, Journalism grad student at the University of Memphis who resides in St. Paul sees in the Landmark Conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Didn't realize scranton was off this weekend, maybe they can get healthy...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Didn't realize scranton was off this weekend, maybe they can get healthy...

Yes, everyone in the conference this year has a weekend conference bye; Scranton's is this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2015, 12:15:37 PM
Should be a good one in Madison tonight. If I recall the two coaches had a long chat after the game in the handshake line in Scranton. There was at least one technical foul called in the game as well.


Great job by the league having everyone produce video broadcasts of the games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
 Big one in Selinsgrove also with the Cards visiting. They hung on to win @ MMA by 1 in the 1st of 6 on the road in 2nd half conference play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 28, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
Well I admit I wasn't terribly confident going into tonight's game at Susquehanna as I figured they would be very motivated to win having lost the first meeting in DC and because Susquehanna was playing very well over their last 10 games or so. Also, CUA doesn't usually play very well in Susquehanna's gym.

I could only watch the 2nd half online, but it seemed to follow the pattern of the first game where the first half was very even and then Susquehanna goes ice cold in the 2nd half.

Great win for the Cards and now they get ready for yet another road game on Saturday. 6 of final 8 on the road. Not great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2015, 07:12:25 AM
From what I have watched this year R Danzig looked like his old self and hopefully is over his ankle injury. Looked comfortable and was hitting his shots including a steal and feed by his brother for a nice dunk.

Good job by CUA in Sellingsgrove.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2015, 09:02:52 PM
 Catholic clinches a spot in conference playoffs today.
Ross Danzig looking like the Ross of old, taking it to the hoop and 12-14 on FTs in last 3 games after shooting ~50% previously this season; hopefully, now fully recovered from early season injury
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Amen!
First time I've seen him drive the lane with authority in a long, long time.
Looked like the RD we've come to know...drive hard, if the opportunity is there, right to the hoop.
If not, kick it back out or dish to a cutter when the D collapses on him or stop for his little 8' jumper.
All in all, good to see him playing with all his options like he'll need to down the stretch.
Boken is simply Mr. Consistent.....double/double's basically every game.
Another steady game from Brian Farrell while he was in.
One game at a time.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2015, 06:21:40 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Amen!
First time I've seen him drive the lane with authority in a long, long time.
Looked like the RD we've come to know...drive hard, if the opportunity is there, right to the hoop.
If not, kick it back out or dish to a cutter when the D collapses on him or stop for his little 8' jumper.
All in all, good to see him playing with all his options like he'll need to down the stretch.
Boken is simply Mr. Consistent.....double/double's basically every game.
Another steady game from Brian Farrell while he was in.
One game at a time.

Sign of the Apocalypse.

Semi-postive post from Saratoga and an actual article on the Royals in the Scranton Times.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2015, 07:04:34 PM
NEPA:
Let's not get carried away.  ;)
A decent game at home against a second tier team does not have me making reservations through the Salem Visitors Bureau.
Still much work to do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 04, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Not much good to report from CUA-Elizabethown tonight. CUA was down by as many as 12 in the first half, but eventually clawed back to be down just 1 at halftime. The second half was a giant sequence of two steps forward, one step back as CUA tightened the defense but the offense was just not sharp at all. It was a real struggle and CUA was lucky to escape 68-65 after splitting 2 of 4 free throws in the final seconds that could have ended it.

Special attention should be paid to the laughable quality of officiating in this game. Some times down the floor both teams could get away with anything and other times players couldn't be within 5 feet of a player without being whistled for a foul. There were numerous sequences where none of the officials were in position to see who the ball went out off of. Late in the 2nd half, one ref whistled Fonville for a foul even though he was nowhere near the action at all. It took a timeout and another several minutes of all the officials huddling to realize not one of them could tell Fonville wasn't the right player and just kept the foul on him. They robbed the game of any flow or rhythm.

Also, unfortunately for Elizabethtown, with about 15 minutes left in the 2nd half their senior big man Lee Eckert went down with what appeared to be a serious lower-leg injury and left the gym on crutches.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2015, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 04, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Not much good to report from CUA-Elizabethown tonight. CUA was down by as many as 12 in the first half, but eventually clawed back to be down just 1 at halftime. The second half was a giant sequence of two steps forward, one step back as CUA tightened the defense but the offense was just not sharp at all. It was a real struggle and CUA was lucky to escape 68-65 after splitting 2 of 4 free throws in the final seconds that could have ended it.

Special attention should be paid to the laughable quality of officiating in this game. Some times down the floor both teams could get away with anything and other times players couldn't be within 5 feet of a player without being whistled for a foul. There were numerous sequences where none of the officials were in position to see who the ball went out off of. Late in the 2nd half, one ref whistled Fonville for a foul even though he was nowhere near the action at all. It took a timeout and another several minutes of all the officials huddling to realize not one of them could tell Fonville wasn't the right player and just kept the foul on him. They robbed the game of any flow or rhythm.

Also, unfortunately for Elizabethtown, with about 15 minutes left in the 2nd half their senior big man Lee Eckert went down with what appeared to be a serious lower-leg injury and left the gym on crutches.

Eckert is a difference-maker for E-town and his absence will impair their playoff chances.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2015, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 04, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Not much good to report from CUA-Elizabethown tonight. CUA was down by as many as 12 in the first half, but eventually clawed back to be down just 1 at halftime. The second half was a giant sequence of two steps forward, one step back as CUA tightened the defense but the offense was just not sharp at all. It was a real struggle and CUA was lucky to escape 68-65 after splitting 2 of 4 free throws in the final seconds that could have ended it.

Special attention should be paid to the laughable quality of officiating in this game. Some times down the floor both teams could get away with anything and other times players couldn't be within 5 feet of a player without being whistled for a foul. There were numerous sequences where none of the officials were in position to see who the ball went out off of. Late in the 2nd half, one ref whistled Fonville for a foul even though he was nowhere near the action at all. It took a timeout and another several minutes of all the officials huddling to realize not one of them could tell Fonville wasn't the right player and just kept the foul on him. They robbed the game of any flow or rhythm.

Also, unfortunately for Elizabethtown, with about 15 minutes left in the 2nd half their senior big man Lee Eckert went down with what appeared to be a serious lower-leg injury and left the gym on crutches.

Eckert is a difference-maker for E-town and his absence will impair their playoff chances.

Would have been nice if the Blue Jays could have squeezed that one out.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
The Royals just missed getting help from Susquehanna & MMA as well.
It appears Scranton finally has the inside/outside game going.
Looks like everyone played well last evening.
M. Thomas has certainly improved his long range shooting.
Another tough place to play on Sat. at Juniata.
Eckert is certainly a huge (no pun intended),part of the E-town offense...any time away will certainly hurt their chances.
Scranton simply can not look ahead to Catholic coming to town for the season final.....literally, one game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2015, 09:05:25 PM
http://www.bennettrank.com/collegebasketball/d3-mens-basketball-scranton-catholic-charging-toward-season-ending-showdown/#

Speculates on whether the league is a two bid league. Obviously Scranton-Catholic to close out the regular season at the Long Center is huge.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
Let's not get into how many thinks that site gets wrong about this division on a normal day... but this is a two-bid league if Catholic and Scranton can hold it together to the conference championship (assuming just one more loss for both teams).

Catholic is in trouble with an SOS right now about .471 - that isn't as good as it should be (Purchase and Gwyned Mercy should have been better this year). They can't play games with losses. Lose two more games and they could be in some real trouble getting into the tournament.

Scranton certainly has a better SOS, but last year also proved to be hard getting out of the Mid-Atlantic region as an at-large team. I don't think they can gamble with two more losses, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
Great job tonight by the Royals.
No sooner do they get a little respect in the Region & in typical fashion, they make a mad dash for the exit door.
So much for that big game with Catholic in 10 days.
In all honesty, if 2 points is all they can get from their All American candidate in a big home game, let's not kid ourselves.
Their entire backcourt combined for a staggering 4 points...pretty impressive.
Here's another stat I noticed about the Royals...there are something like 440 D-III teams & our Royals are 439th in offensive rebounding.
They are one away from absolute dead last in hitting the boards.
No put backs, no second or God forbid, third chance shots.
Nope...they just fire away & then try & get back on D.
Great job by Coach M. getting his kids ready & wanting it.
Biggest question for the Royals right now, will they wilt & go meekly away or somehow regroup & get it done.
This loss just absolutely cost them an at large...they need to win out for any chance of getting into the dance.
Talent is there on paper...just have to transfer some passion to the game played on the court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2015, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
Great job tonight by the Royals.
No sooner do they get a little respect in the Region & in typical fashion, they make a mad dash for the exit door.
So much for that big game with Catholic in 10 days.
In all honesty, if 2 points is all they can get from their All American candidate in a big home game, let's not kid ourselves.
Their entire backcourt combined for a staggering 4 points...pretty impressive.
Here's another stat I noticed about the Royals...there are something like 440 D-III teams & our Royals are 439th in offensive rebounding.
They are one away from absolute dead last in hitting the boards.
No put backs, no second or God forbid, third chance shots.
Nope...they just fire away & then try & get back on D.
Great job by Coach M. getting his kids ready & wanting it.
Biggest question for the Royals right now, will they wilt & go meekly away or somehow regroup & get it done.
This loss just absolutely cost them an at large...they need to win out for any chance of getting into the dance.
Talent is there on paper...just have to transfer some passion to the game played on the court.

Yup, i had to look it up. If it wasn't for Vitkus they would be dead last. Why you throwing a dig at the assistant coach?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2015, 10:37:28 PM
A dig at the Assistant Coach????
I didn't say anything about the "coaching" at Scranton.
What i did say was essentially a great job by Coach M....as in Frank Marciniak of Susquehanna.
His kids were well prepared & came ready to play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2015, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2015, 10:37:28 PM
A dig at the Assistant Coach????
I didn't say anything about the "coaching" at Scranton.
What i did say was essentially a great job by Coach M....as in Frank Marciniak of Susquehanna.
His kids were well prepared & came ready to play.

My apologies, in my salty mood read that as sarcasm and a reference to  Scranton assistant Coach "M". Only saving grace was no video for some reason tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 11, 2015, 10:56:12 PM
Must have been something in the air tonight. Scranton drops one and CUA was in real danger for most of the first half tonight against a Goucher squad that was clearly ready to play tonight. CUA was down by as many as 13 late in the half. This was a game marked by long periods of neither team interested in playing any defense at all as both teams went streaking up and down the floor time and time again. Goucher fully deserved their half-time lead.

Kyle Phanord put in a real captain's performance tonight with what must be a career-high 28 points, going 8-14 from 3-pt. Bryon Fonville overcame a quiet first-half scoring to finish with 13 points and 15 assists.

Pleased the team overcame a poor first-half to fight back and claim a relatively "comfortable" win, but performances will have to improve over the next 2 weeks if this team wants to be rewarded.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
NEPA:
No problem....trust me, this program has made me "salty" as well.
Just when you think it's safe to drink the water.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2015, 11:27:48 PM
 Cards clinch #1 seed; Scranton & Susquehanna are #2 & 3 seeds, which remains  to be decided. Everybody else except Moravian in battle for 4th playoff spot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 11, 2015, 10:56:12 PM
Must have been something in the air tonight. Scranton drops one and CUA was in real danger for most of the first half tonight against a Goucher squad that was clearly ready to play tonight. CUA was down by as many as 13 late in the half. This was a game marked by long periods of neither team interested in playing any defense at all as both teams went streaking up and down the floor time and time again. Goucher fully deserved their half-time lead.

Kyle Phanord put in a real captain's performance tonight with what must be a career-high 28 points, going 8-14 from 3-pt. Bryon Fonville overcame a quiet first-half scoring to finish with 13 points and 15 assists.

Pleased the team overcame a poor first-half to fight back and claim a relatively "comfortable" win, but performances will have to improve over the next 2 weeks if this team wants to be rewarded.

It was that particular end of the court... Goucher shot the lights out of the building on the Catholic bench side of the court in the first half (9-14 from deep) and then Catholic did the same in the second half. Goucher just didn't have 40 minutes... and haven't all season. Nice to see them put over 50 up on CUA in the first half, but they didn't want halftime to happen. Too bad... at least it was an exciting game which about halfway through the second half had eight total turnovers.

CUA is better than when I saw them in November... but when 97% of your scoring comes from your starting five... well that worries me slightly - only because you need to have some depth (besides defense from Kevin Phanord) off the bench. Bench didn't impress me last night - almost every time someone came in, they fouled or made a mistake. I realize that happens, but it was consistent. Of course, it could have been an off game, but that was what I saw in November, too. Here's hoping the bench can contribute a bit more ... more consistently and then CUA could be a threat.

As for Scranton - I don't think their at-large chances are over with that loss - as it stands on its own. Many other MA teams lost last night as well. Now, if they lose to CUA next weekend AND they lose to CUA in the championship game - the Susquehanna loss is going to prove costly (along with the Husson, Ithaca, Misericordia, etc.). If Scranton defeats CUA next weekend and loses in the conference title game (thus the reason they would be an at-large candidate), I think they might be okay... they just lost some of the wiggle room by losing last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 13, 2015, 01:15:39 AM
D-Mac, in regards to your observation about CUA's bench play Wed. night, it's been like that for not only this season, but for nearly the last decade. I've found this season that the bench on most nights goes 2 deep (Kevin Phanord and Louis Khouri). I've thought all season they are each half a player. Louis is the offensive sub and Kevin the defensive sub, but there have been several times this season where one of them is on the floor and the team probably needs the other one out there. In close games, Coach Howes will often abandon the bench altogether. The team has had to massage foul trouble on several occasions, but haven't yet had to do so against a real quality opponent. That's a big reason why this is a good team, but probably several steps from a truly great one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2015, 02:50:05 PM
CardsFan... completely agree. I have said it often to people, and even Coach Howes, I consider Kyle Phanord the offensive twin and Kevin Phanord the defensive twin. Khouri didn't contribute much against Goucher except for some ill-timed fouls.

Listen, Catholic has a really good starting five you are clearly supported by the bench, though not spelled by them. The problem is, you need some depth in the NCAA tournament. A number of deep teams might shorten their bench, but one thing is key in March - you need a decent bench. Not many teams have gone deep or won championships with very little bench contribution. Look at the CUA championship team... they has some key guys from that bench.

Maybe Catholic can do it the harder way, but I like their chances better if Kevin, Khouri, and some others can find ways to contribute... even if it is in short minute or two minute spurts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 13, 2015, 07:26:42 PM
I'm with you 100% d-mac. While I could write a dissertation on comparing the 2001 team with these days, one major difference is that while bench contributions in 2001 were limited, three of those guys became all-conference players once their opportunity came. Looking in the recent past, teams like Cabrini in 2012 and St. Thomas in 2013 had incredible depth. Walton-Moss came off the bench for that Cabrini team and St. Thomas had nearly 10 players who could defend and score.

I think we can all agree that the Landmark is a long way away from having teams with that kind of depth, or any real depth at all. The team that finally puts a bench with their starters consistently in this conference will create real separation.

Now in fairness, with the way last season ended for CUA and the huge clearout of players off the roster coming into this season I can understand why maybe Coach Howes decided he needed to ride the starters and see where the team ended up. The team came into the season with only 3 players with legitimate college experience. Now maybe going forward the team can build off the solid formation and begin adding quality depth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 14, 2015, 10:01:39 AM
It is quite impressive for a team with absolutely no depth to have a record of 20 -3, including a loss to a pretty high level D1 team in Davidson!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2015, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 14, 2015, 10:01:39 AM
It is quite impressive for a team with absolutely no depth to have a record of 20 -3, including a loss to a pretty high level D1 team in Davidson!

That's a real credit to the quality of the starters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2015, 06:59:10 PM
So does anyone want the final playoff spot?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2015, 07:34:36 PM
The issue of team depth isn't always black & white.
I certainly do not have the insight into Catholic's rotation as much you do but, I can give you some examples playing out at Scranton that can leave one wondering if things are really as bad as they may seem.

To begin the season, the Royals started a sophomore at point guard.
Two games in he received a pretty bad injury & was replaced by a freshman.
He struggled a little out of the gate but once he got past his first game, he was off & running.
He scored double figures, passed out assists, hit his free throws & rarely turned the ball over.
Things were going well.

Fast forward to the Ithaca game & now he gets injured in the first minute of action.
Out of pure desperation, the Scranton staff looks down the bench & replaces him with a junior that has zero meaningful game minutes in 2 1/2 years. In fact, in his previous 2 plus years most games he didn't even play.
What does he do....scores double figures, dishes the ball like a seasoned veteran & plays that game with a confidence and calm like he'd been getting quality minutes all the time.
Currently, he remains one of the first off the bench, plays within himself, gives you points, assists & quality minutes.

Now call me skeptical, but I have a really hard time believing if it were not for these two injuries, he's still be relegated to the farthest corner of the bench.
Why didn't the Scranton brain trust see that poise, inner confidence & talent?
How could someone who practiced every day for over two years not have that potential recognized?

There are other examples on this team.
One young player took the game over vs. Cabrini early in the season.
Scored double figures...in fact, didn't miss a shot the entire game.
He also was a force on the boards & everyone in the stands was thrilled to see his raw talent take over against a pretty good team at the time.
Since then, meaningless minutes here & there, no opportunity to get into the flow of the game & one mistake & yanked out.
How is the talent this young man possess' not nurtured & refined to be the best he can be?
How can a coach ignore that untapped potential.

There are even other examples... but, for another time.
I guess my point is just because a coach's bench is short does not necessarily mean it's without talent that can help.
What that respective coach can project & develop out of his bench should not be left to mere chance.
They have an obligation to each kid that puts on a uniform to know what they can bring & make that ability even better.
Quality kids should not be so far down on the bench they are in another area code waiting for a coach's call that never comes.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2015, 08:01:41 PM
Saratoga I agree 100%. I've probably just done a terrible job of making my point. It's certainly not that CUA doesn't have talented players on the bench, I quite like what I've seen in limited moments from some of them, especially freshman Brian Seward who has been a scout-team player. The only problem is that he is never in unless the game is out of reach.

My feeling has been that the bench players who get time are the ones Coach Howes trusts, which right now seems to be 2 guys. One problem in the past has been that guys are recruited, make no contribution as a freshman and by sophomore year have fallen deeper in the rotation behind the next class.

It's up to both the player and the coaches. The player has to keep improving and the coaches have to foster confidence in the player, so that he hasn't been on campus for three years with no game experience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2015, 02:33:27 PM
Absolutely.
I think we all want to see hard work, ability, dedication & a positive attitude rewarded with in game minutes for these kids rather than mop up junk in the last 58 seconds.
Here's hoping some coaches actually get to know the talent that lies within.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 16, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Actually, Louis Khouri has done a pretty good job off the bench for Catholic. He has scored at times, including a 9 - 10 from three against W&L. He also does a good job grabbing rebounds. I feel that he has been pretty solid off the bench, though a bit inconsistent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 16, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 16, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Actually, Louis Khouri has done a pretty good job off the bench for Catholic. He has scored at times, including a 9 - 10 from three against W&L. He also does a good job grabbing rebounds. I feel that he has been pretty solid off the bench, though a bit inconsistent.

He was fantastic against W&L scoring 23 pts. in 19 minutes. He is one of two bench players to play in every game this season. Also, to your point he is a very good rebounder for his size, has one of the best assist-to-turnover ratios on the team, and is the 2nd best 3pt shooter on the team (23-55 for the season). He has very good instincts, knowing when to pass and when to shoot, in fact I think he turns down too many open shots.

The question about CUA's depth isn't because the bench players aren't good enough, it's that they aren't given a consistent run in games. In conference play, Khouri has played at least 20 minutes in only 1 game. The coaches trust him enough to play him, but not enough to give him extended playing time at the expense of any starter. I'm sure his consistency would pick up with increased playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
I think Khouri came off the bench on two separate occasions against Goucher and immediately picked up a foul. Same thing happened to Kevin Phanord. That doesn't breed confidence in a coaching staff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
I think Khouri came off the bench on two separate occasions against Goucher and immediately picked up a foul. Same thing happened to Kevin Phanord. That doesn't breed confidence in a coaching staff.

Kevin Phanord 4 fouls in 12 minutes, Louis Khouri 2 fouls in 17 minutes. The coaches seem to give Kevin much more leeway in terms of staying on the floor through foul trouble since he has provided an emotional boost on numerous occasions when he makes a steal or forces an offensive foul. It can be a vicious cycle, a player commits a turnover or a foul and that doesn't breed confidence in the coach, so the player comes right back to the bench. Of course, maybe the player is a little off because he doesn't have a ton of game action to fall back on. There is no right answer to this, but maybe you live with a turnover or foul to get the positives the player can bring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 12:54:28 AM
Not saying they aren't living by it... I am just saying when you come in and almost instantly get tacked with a foul... when it comes time to pull that trigger in a big game coaches might get gun shy.

Kevin and Khouri have to play... the question then becomes when and at what times in games will they play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2015, 01:24:01 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 12:54:28 AM
Not saying they aren't living by it... I am just saying when you come in and almost instantly get tacked with a foul... when it comes time to pull that trigger in a big game coaches might get gun shy.

Kevin and Khouri have to play... the question then becomes when and at what times in games will they play.

Agree 100% again. You and I have pretty much agreed on all of this since last Wednesday. Unfortunately, what I'm almost 100% sure of is that nothing will really change in a meaningful way and I'll be left to keep saying "man this kid shows potential, wonder why he doesn't play more?"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 10:49:35 AM
For the record... the world must be coming to an end soon because everyone knows a Goucher grad and a Catholic fan shouldn't be getting along LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 17, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Remember, CU is playing without Limberiou and Prince who did not return for their final year. With those two, they are a legit final four team. Bottom line, they have been spectacular throughout this season. I thought they might win 14 or 15 games this year. They have far surpassed my predictions. I hope the cards are preparing for the final three or four games with the mind-set that they are playing for an at-large bid. A conference championship would be icing on the cake!!! How about MMA? Of late, they are playing to their potential.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2015, 10:58:42 AM
Not sure I would say final four caliber team. That is a reach for a lot of schools. I think the talent on the '13 team was better than this one, to be honest.

As for MMA... they always peak late as they finally get to play and practice more consistently as a team. Makes them dangerous, always.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 17, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
I totally agree with that the 2013 team was much better than this year's team. Having a 6' 8'' All American along with solid guards helps. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 17, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Remember, CU is playing without Limberiou and Prince who did not return for their final year. With those two, they are a legit final four team. Bottom line, they have been spectacular throughout this season. I thought they might win 14 or 15 games this year. They have far surpassed my predictions. I hope the cards are preparing for the final three or four games with the mind-set that they are playing for an at-large bid. A conference championship would be icing on the cake!!! How about MMA? Of late, they are playing to their potential.

Wow, just realized that about Limberiou. What happened?

Yeah Scranton goes into MMA tomorrow, MMA will have played 2 games in 3 days I believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2015, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 17, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Remember, CU is playing without Limberiou and Prince who did not return for their final year. With those two, they are a legit final four team. Bottom line, they have been spectacular throughout this season. I thought they might win 14 or 15 games this year. They have far surpassed my predictions. I hope the cards are preparing for the final three or four games with the mind-set that they are playing for an at-large bid. A conference championship would be icing on the cake!!! How about MMA? Of late, they are playing to their potential.

Wow, just realized that about Limberiou. What happened?

Yeah Scranton goes into MMA tomorrow, MMA will have played 2 games in 3 days I believe.

He had a health issue that short-circuited his season last year and didn't come back 4 bball this season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2015, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 17, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Remember, CU is playing without Limberiou and Prince who did not return for their final year. With those two, they are a legit final four team. Bottom line, they have been spectacular throughout this season. I thought they might win 14 or 15 games this year. They have far surpassed my predictions. I hope the cards are preparing for the final three or four games with the mind-set that they are playing for an at-large bid. A conference championship would be icing on the cake!!! How about MMA? Of late, they are playing to their potential.

There's no way to appropriately put into words how much better this year's CUA team has been than what I figured they would be. I figured around .500 would be the goal for the season, considering there were 10 players from last years team who are not on this season's roster (some like Limberiou could have played but chose not to, others I believe were kindly asked to take their talents elsewhere).

The big factor is that there was no way to know a freshman like Jay Howard was coming in. The physical presence that kid brings cannot be overstated and is the best athlete the school has had in over a decade. As he continues to adjust to college play, his ceiling is enormous.

The other factor is that this years group seems much more on the same page than last year. The end of last season was so atrocious and it was apparent many players were not invested in the team and played that way. I give Coach Howes a ton of credit for weeding out so many players and pushing the reset button going into this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2015, 09:52:19 PM
Susquehanna beat  Goucher, 122-76, :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 18, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
Susquehanna has really had a good season and been playing very well lately, winning 9 of their last 11 I believe. Should be a great game next week between them and Scranton in the conference tournament.

Pretty straightforward for the Cards tonight as they led for almost the entire game. Cards gave up nearly 20 offensive rebounds but canceled that out by shooting 60% for the game.

Seems like Drew has moved into solid position for the final playoff spot with their big win over E-Town tonight. I guess that injury to Eckert was a huge blow for the Blue Jays as they have lost their last 6 and based off tonight's evidence I wouldn't put money on them beating Susquehanna Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2015, 01:13:09 AM
 In the conference playoffs, the Royals will host Susquehanna and Catholic will host Drew unless E-town beats Susquehanna on Saturday in which case CUA will host E-town on a tie-breaker over Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
Can someone with a better basketball mind than me explain why the Royals are likely last in Offensive Rebounds conceded.

MMA has a boat load of Offensive Rebounds last night..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:42:53 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2015, 11:09:44 PM
NEPA:
Offensive rebounding is an art.
It takes hustle to get in position & some muscle & finesse to move the defense & hold that position.
Not that I would say the Royal's don't hustle...but this edition will never be confused with the Irv Johnson's, Jack Maher's & Joe Connelly's of Royal teams past.
They worked their tails off for second chance shots. This team doesn't even pretend to have an interest.

They have several things working against them.

Most good offensive rebounding teams have decent size...Scranton usually plays small.
Most good offensive rebounding teams get those putbacks because the shot taken was at close range, ie. guards that can penetrate & the bangers simply hit the glass...Scranton bombs away & most rebounds when they miss are deep, not good for a quick grab and putback.
Most teams with good offensive rebounding are fairly quick, they can take risks with their bigs because their guards can recover quickly and play D...Scranton is very slow & they are always worried about getting back after a missed shot.
Teams with good offensive rebounding want that to be an important part of their game & they work relentlessly at it.
Scranton lives & dies by the 3, they generally play small, they are anything but physical, they're slow & they are not that athletic ...all & all, not exactly the best recipe for offensive rebounding success.

I can understand them not being in the upper elite in this category nationally but virtually dead last, now that takes some serious non interest.
Absolutely unacceptable for any team that has any post season ambitions to be this weak.

I'd strongly suggest the Royal brain trust reserve a spot at Jay Wright's Big 5 b-ball camp this August and pay special attention to this topic when it's offered.



   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2015, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 19, 2015, 11:09:44 PM
NEPA:
Offensive rebounding is an art.
It takes hustle to get in position & some muscle & finesse to move the defense & hold that position.
Not that I would say the Royal's don't hustle...but this edition will never be confused with the Irv Johnson's, Jack Maher's & Joe Connelly's of Royal teams past.
They worked their tails off for second chance shots. This team doesn't even pretend to have an interest.

They have several things working against them.

Most good offensive rebounding teams have decent size...Scranton usually plays small.
Most good offensive rebounding teams get those putbacks because the shot taken was at close range, ie. guards that can penetrate & the bangers simply hit the glass...Scranton bombs away & most rebounds when they miss are deep, not good for a quick grab and putback.
Most teams with good offensive rebounding are fairly quick, they can take risks with their bigs because their guards can recover quickly and play D...Scranton is very slow & they are always worried about getting back after a missed shot.
Teams with good offensive rebounding want that to be an important part of their game & they work relentlessly at it.
Scranton lives & dies by the 3, they generally play small, they are anything but physical, they're slow & they are not that athletic ...all & all, not exactly the best recipe for offensive rebounding success.

I can understand them not being in the upper elite in this category nationally but virtually dead last, now that takes some serious non interest.
Absolutely unacceptable for any team that has any post season ambitions to be this weak.

I'd strongly suggest the Royal brain trust reserve a spot at Jay Wright's Big 5 b-ball camp this August and pay special attention to this topic when it's offered.



   

  In addition to the 9 offensive rebounds by the MMA guards last nite - to win the big games, which are all that remain now, you need to do all the little things like boxing out on shot attempts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2015, 07:34:01 AM
Ronk:
Absolutely.
To win games that matter at this point in the season, all the little things count.
Not only are the Royals horrible on the offensive glass (actual lost points), but now it seems they are simply being lazy & letting the oppositions guards slice through them for easy putbacks.
That is simply a lack of concentration, focus & preparation.
Not exactly the best formula for success heading into the stretch run for a tournament berth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 20, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
That was a fair analysis of the Royals' men's team; good thought provoking insight. Yes, I do remember that team of '76. Although the biggest starter was Irv, at only 6'5", the guards did penetrate well, were quick, and always got back on D.  Jack Maher was as tough as they come and Connelly seemed to have a genius basketball IQ ..

I'm making another pilgrimage to Scrantonia tomorrow to catch the game vs CU & also to see the women so I can reassess my previous observations of them...Go Royals !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on February 20, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
That was a fair analysis of the Royals' men's team; good thought provoking insight. Yes, I do remember that team of '76. Although the biggest starter was Irv, at only 6'5", the guards did penetrate well, were quick, and always got back on D.  Jack Maher was as tough as they come and Connelly seemed to have a genius basketball IQ ..

I'm making another pilgrimage to Scrantonia tomorrow to catch the game vs CU & also to see the women so I can reassess my previous observations of them...Go Royals !

  My son had a business school class @ Virginia Tech in the '90s taught by Jack Maher. Also a professor at the same time there, was George Clum who was the Royals' center my frosh team year
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
SpOrtsfan:
Safe travels & hopefully you'll see two good games.
If those two good games are played by the Lady Royals/Royals...even better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 21, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
Well, quickfire reaction to the CUA-Scranton game is that the result doesn't surprise me at all. I fully expected a Scranton win, seeing as how CUA has not won in the Long Center in Landmark play ever. However, while the result doesn't surprise me, the quality of performance from the Cards was very disappointing.

The defense was porous for at least the last 30 minutes of the game. Fonville had a miserable first half going 1-9 (good call by coach Danzig putting Marcus Thomas on him from the start) and then he didn't really try to get into the game in the 2nd half as the 4 shots he took in the 2nd half all came within the final 2-3 minutes when the game was already over.

Jay Howard's early foul trouble took him out of rhythm and he never got back into it. While Corey Stanford had an excellent game, it was disappointing that all semblance of offense stopped so early. Three of the Cards starters barely took any shots at all.

Also, special mention has to be made of the 14 offensive rebounds the Royals had today. Coming into the game Scranton was the worst offensive rebounding team in conference play by a decent margin, but they were quicker to all missed shots and their effort to rebound was far greater than the Cards.

Fair play to Scranton as they were clearly the better team today, and from my POV probably have to be considered favorites going into the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2015, 09:44:55 PM
Worst offensive rebounding team in the conference?
Correct....but now take that a little further.
Coming into today's game, the Royals were the second worst offensive rebounding team in all of Division III.
In todays game, they equaled 3 games worth of offensive boards.
Amazing what those extra chance shots can do for you.
Even when it wasn't a clean rebound, they were batting the ball back and coming up with a new clock, new possession & another chance to score.
If they can bottle this game, this passion, this effort....they'll have more chances to play.
Kudo's to Brenden Boken...that kid plays both ends of the floor & really deserves a shot at league MVP.
Great win, enjoy it tonight, then get ready for the Crusaders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2015, 10:27:14 PM
The royals must have been studying up and taking notes on rebounding from the posters on this board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2015, 11:13:16 PM
  I'm wondering if Marcus Thomas will guard Brandon Hedley(Sus) as he did Fonville today. I'm guessing they played each other a number of times in Montgomery County(MD) high school games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on February 22, 2015, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 21, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
Well, quickfire reaction to the CUA-Scranton game is that the result doesn't surprise me at all. I fully expected a Scranton win, seeing as how CUA has not won in the Long Center in Landmark play ever. However, while the result doesn't surprise me, the quality of performance from the Cards was very disappointing.

The defense was porous for at least the last 30 minutes of the game. Fonville had a miserable first half going 1-9 (good call by coach Danzig putting Marcus Thomas on him from the start) and then he didn't really try to get into the game in the 2nd half as the 4 shots he took in the 2nd half all came within the final 2-3 minutes when the game was already over.

Jay Howard's early foul trouble took him out of rhythm and he never got back into it. While Corey Stanford had an excellent game, it was disappointing that all semblance of offense stopped so early. Three of the Cards starters barely took any shots at all.

Also, special mention has to be made of the 14 offensive rebounds the Royals had today. Coming into the game Scranton was the worst offensive rebounding team in conference play by a decent margin, but they were quicker to all missed shots and their effort to rebound was far greater than the Cards.

Fair play to Scranton as they were clearly the better team today, and from my POV probably have to be considered favorites going into the conference tournament.
That and the fact, other than a mediocre Susquehanna team (feasting on a terrible Landmark Conference) and a Scranton team nursing early injuries, CUA hasn't beat a team with a winning record this season, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2015, 12:45:32 PM
Beat Gwynedd Mercy (17-9) and Guilford (17-8)... and they did beat Susquehanna (who is better than you give them credit for) and they did beat Scranton (injuries not withstanding).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2015, 02:22:28 PM
  Nice team victory for the Royals yesterday with contributions from many. So much better with the PG play of Kevin Doolan; no turnovers and it's good to have the ball in his hands as the shot clock winds down because he's going to get a satisfactory shot attempt. Now that we're in postseason play, I'd only give him 1 aggressive defensive foul per game before reigning him in on a risk/reward basis because of his value.
  Brain Farrell, on the other hand, would be encouraged to continue to be proactive on offense because that seems to be the nature of his play. I'll back anyone who's trying to do things within his capabilities like his taking it to the hoop.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 22, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
Great win by the Royals yesterday. There's a lot they did well, hustled on every possession, of course, as we already know, this team can sure shoot ! It's time for them to peak. The win made the tough ride home in the weather worth the risk...Go Royals !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 25, 2015, 02:00:48 AM
So I don't know when the conference awards are announced but I'm gonna take a stab at first team all-conference:
- all stats are in-conference only
Ross Danzig (Sr.) Scranton: 14.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 4.9 apg, 50% FG, 43% 3-pt

Brendan Boken (Jr.) (Player of the Year) Scranton: 16.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 62.9% FG, 2nd in FT Attempts, 23 blocks

Byson Fonville (Jr.) CUA: 15.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.3 apg, 43.4% FG

Jay Howard (Fr.) Newcomer of the Year CUA: 17.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 56.9% FG, I believe he made more FT than anyone else attempted (95-141)

Brandon Hedley (Jr.) Susquehanna: 15.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.3 apg, 43.7% FG, 40.6% 3-pt

Josh Miller (Jr.) Susquehanna: 13.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 42.9% FG, 45.7% 3-pt

- Those just missing the cut are Mike Klinger (Drew), David Smith and Matthew Miller (both USMMA). Smith and Miller's cases suffer because they started the season 0-9 in conference. For whatever reasons (new coach, last season's drama) they started abysmally even though they returned the majority of the team (yes, they did lose Nick Sergio). They were one of the hottest teams in the conference over the last 7 games (6-1), but 0-9 to start is tough to get past. A case could be made for Klinger to replace, maybe, Miller, but there was such a gap between the top 3 and the rest of the conference that I felt they should be rewarded most.
- On principle I believe that Ross Danzig should have been Player of the Year every season based on the fact that he's clearly the best player in the league, but people get bored of always rewarding the same player (LeBron should be NBA MVP every season, but he isn't), and this season there appears to be wiggle room statistically for another winner (I'm sure the ankle injury played a big part) and Boken seems most deserving. Fonville and Howard had a real chance to stake their claim, but both played poorly last Saturday.

I know this post is really long, if you made it to the end congratulations!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 25, 2015, 02:00:48 AM
So I don't know when the conference awards are announced but I'm gonna take a stab at first team all-conference:
- all stats are in-conference only
Ross Danzig (Sr.) Scranton: 14.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 4.9 apg, 50% FG, 43% 3-pt

Brendan Boken (Jr.) (Player of the Year) Scranton: 16.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 62.9% FG, 2nd in FT Attempts, 23 blocks

Byson Fonville (Jr.) CUA: 15.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.3 apg, 43.4% FG

Jay Howard (Fr.) Newcomer of the Year CUA: 17.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 56.9% FG, I believe he made more FT than anyone else attempted (95-141)

Brandon Hedley (Jr.) Susquehanna: 15.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 4.3 apg, 43.7% FG, 40.6% 3-pt

Josh Miller (Jr.) Susquehanna: 13.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 42.9% FG, 45.7% 3-pt

- Those just missing the cut are Mike Klinger (Drew), David Smith and Matthew Miller (both USMMA). Smith and Miller's cases suffer because they started the season 0-9 in conference. For whatever reasons (new coach, last season's drama) they started abysmally even though they returned the majority of the team (yes, they did lose Nick Sergio). They were one of the hottest teams in the conference over the last 7 games (6-1), but 0-9 to start is tough to get past. A case could be made for Klinger to replace, maybe, Miller, but there was such a gap between the top 3 and the rest of the conference that I felt they should be rewarded most.
- On principle I believe that Ross Danzig should have been Player of the Year every season based on the fact that he's clearly the best player in the league, but people get bored of always rewarding the same player (LeBron should be NBA MVP every season, but he isn't), and this season there appears to be wiggle room statistically for another winner (I'm sure the ankle injury played a big part) and Boken seems most deserving. Fonville and Howard had a real chance to stake their claim, but both played poorly last Saturday.

I know this post is really long, if you made it to the end congratulations!

  I believe it was the MMA broadcasters offering the reason that it was mostly due to the absence of Anthony Williams with a concussion and subsequent return to action - he doesn't have stats, but he was strong defensively and could set screens, etc. MMA did give Catholic 2 tough games and Scranton at least 1 and they did defeat the NESCAC regular season winner.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:57:45 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 25, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
Go Royals !  Eye of the Tiger !!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2015, 07:07:39 AM
Ross Danzig in all American form last night. F&m ranked above scranton in regional rankings hurts. Looks like Scranton needs to win on Saturday to get in the tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 26, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
The good news for Scranton is that John Hopkins, Dickinson, and F&M are all playing each other, so 2 of them have to lose.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2015, 09:39:24 AM
 Scranton  with their semi win & additional vrro result(Miseri) will, at least, move ahead of the Centennial loser tomorrow; the winner probably stays ahead of Scranton, if Scranton loses the final.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
ronk - I just can't see Dickinson with their SOS moving behind Scranton... yes, F&M could move behind them... but not Dickinson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 26, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
When do the regional committees put together the final, super-secret regional rankings? In the final rankings, are the teams that have won their conference tournaments removed so that only the teams seeking Pool C bids are listed?

Also, I think they have CUA's results vs. ranked opponents wrong. It's listed as 1-1, but with St. Vincent back in the Great Lakes rankings it should be 1-2. I probably shouldn't be pointing out losses, but it has to look better that CUA played 3 ranked teams instead of 2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2015, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 26, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
When do the regional committees put together the final, super-secret regional rankings? In the final rankings, are the teams that have won their conference tournaments removed so that only the teams seeking Pool C bids are listed?

Also, I think they have CUA's results vs. ranked opponents wrong. It's listed as 1-1, but with St. Vincent back in the Great Lakes rankings it should be 1-2. I probably shouldn't be pointing out losses, but it has to look better that CUA played 3 ranked teams instead of 2.

The St. Vincent game will be included in the next RRs in addition to the Landmark final game with Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
Dave will know better, but I believe they ask the committees to rank more than the regular rankings (in case all the ranked teams are in) - but as far as I know, they just put up one team from each region at a time.

I'm not sure what they'd do if they exhaust the list they've been given from one region.  I doubt that will happen this year, but it's certainly been possible in other years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2015, 04:09:35 PM
First off, CUA's vRRO is correct at 1-1... the next time the committees get together that number will be 1-2.

The regional committees will get together on Sunday to rank one last time to send it to the national committee. There will be one more adjustment, though, as that will indicate another vRRO result, so the national committee will then re-rank accordingly if that vRRO data changes some of the positions of teams. That is all done Sunday BEFORE at-large selections are made. Once at-large selections are made, then they tackle bracketing.

As for rankings... the rankings will include teams that don't appear on the "official" rankings of six teams in the Mid-Atlantic. They need to have a couple of more teams available for the chance that everone ranked wins their way in or is selected as an at-large. This actually happened in the women's Central Region a few years ago when one team not officially regionally ranked got to the table and was selected. No... just because a team is ranked off the list does not change vRRO in any way because they are not officially ranked. Yes, I could see a scenario where a team not ranked could make the NCAA tournament - my target is also the Central Region.

When the rankings are completed and they go to select the at-large teams, the teams already into the NCAA tournament via the AQ will be removed from the list. Thus a team could jump from sixth to second. However, their ranking isn't the key... it is just a list of the order they will get to the table. One team from each region is at the "table" when discussing an at-large pick. The best team of the eight is selected and the next team from that particular region replaces them at the table and they start the process over. Do that 19 times (21 on the women's side) and you get your at-large teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 26, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
Thanks all for the info. I realized the results vs. ranked opponents would probably change for the next cycle after I posted.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Guys:
The hell with SOS, STD's, WWWF, WTF's, & vRRO's.......the Royals are in.
So throw your dumb computer projections away & just point them in the direction of next weekends games.
I have been most critical of their lazy play & the coach's reluctance to go deeper with his bench but they went down to Catholic & pulled it off yet again.
When they play with a passion they can be tough.
Congrats to their coaches & all the kids that made this happen.
Brenden Boken.......MVP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 28, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Congratulations to Scranton, they were deserved winners today. I've got too many things running through my head about the game to properly articulate now, but again the Royals proved that they are just better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2015, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Guys:
The hell with SOS, STD's, WWWF, WTF's, & vRRO's.......the Royals are in.
So throw your dumb computer projections away & just point them in the direction of next weekends games.
I have been most critical of their lazy play & the coach's reluctance to go deeper with his bench but they went down to Catholic & pulled it off yet again.
When they play with a passion they can be tough.
Congrats to their coaches & all the kids that made this happen.
Brenden Boken.......MVP.

Great win and congrats to the team on another conference title!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2015, 12:10:10 AM
  Catholic was taking it to the Royals offensively for the 1st 10 mins; their few misses were immediately put back follows. It wasn't til the Royals switched to a zone that we had any stops. 8-14 on 3s kept us in the game and gave us lead by the end of the 1st half.
Lot of intensity in the 2nd half and Marcus Thomas excellent defense of Fonville(after slowing Brandon Hedley on Wednesday) was a big factor. Marcus also in a few mins late in the game went 4-4 FTs, made a backdoor cut for a layup, and got 2 big rebounds/loose balls. Team victory-everyone laying it out; so nice to have a PG with no TOs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2015, 08:09:39 AM
Alvernia also won their conference after posts earlier this year stating they were nothing but a .500'team.

Can the scranton times send a reporter on the bus with the kids. Come on... Reporting seriously lacking this AM.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2015, 10:48:24 AM
To be honest NEPAFAN... I don't think Alvernia thought they would be in position to win their conference. They are playing six guys - just six guys - in games and have moved two of their starters into new roles this season. They got hot at the right time and came together nicely, but even they would tell you they weren't expecting this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
First off.....
Great job by Pat, Dave and a host of other folks to pull off last night's kickoff.
Obviously a ton of work went into the production & all of us that watched owe you a serious thank you.
In short time we'll know the answers.
Some will be obvious, some will seem a little out of the ordinary & still others will leave many wondering what they were thinking of.
Every year it seems the NCAA conveniently forgets at least one of their own rules & try as hard as you do, they (NCAA reps), never really answer your questions as to how they arrived at a particular decesion.
No argument regarding the teams you've picked...getting those last 2 in was difficult to say the least.
it will be very interesting to see how close the committee members viewed the same criteria you were looking at.
As for the Pods...just hope Scranton will be at Dickinson or Johns Hopkins...much easier trips.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2015, 01:18:26 PM
Glad to see Landmark get 2 bids and the Cardinals get in as an at large.  They'll play Alvernia at home, and the winner will face RMC (gulp!).

I was of course disappointed they lost at home last weekend, but its been a somewhat unexpected season.  Lots of credit to Scranton--they got big 3's every time they needed it.  The game turned right before the half when Klingman hit the go-ahead 3.  Quite frankly, it was bad shot selection and he shouldn't have taken it, but he took it and made it...that's the way it goes. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
Congrats to Catholic for hosting a NCAA tourney game. Nevermind that Scranton has won the conference 6 times and never hosted.


In regard to Scranton's trip to Boston, curious to why Scranton is playing Baruch and why Babson doesn't play Baruch in the first game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
Congrats to Catholic for hosting a NCAA tourney game. Nevermind that Scranton has won the conference 6 times and never hosted.


In regard to Scranton's trip to Boston, curious to why Scranton is playing Baruch and why Babson doesn't play Baruch in the first game.

Scranton women are killing the men's hosting chances. I agree they should be hosting, but the system says women get priority this year for first weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
Congrats to Catholic for hosting a NCAA tourney game. Nevermind that Scranton has won the conference 6 times and never hosted.


In regard to Scranton's trip to Boston, curious to why Scranton is playing Baruch and why Babson doesn't play Baruch in the first game.

Baruch - Scranton is a more evenly matched game (mid-ranked teams) and Babson - Westfield is more appropriate for the top ranked team in the Northeast.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
Congrats to Catholic for hosting a NCAA tourney game. Nevermind that Scranton has won the conference 6 times and never hosted.


In regard to Scranton's trip to Boston, curious to why Scranton is playing Baruch and why Babson doesn't play Baruch in the first game.

Baruch - Scranton is a more evenly matched game (mid-ranked teams) and Babson - Westfield is more appropriate for the top ranked team in the Northeast.

Interesting, given my rudimentary research it appeared that Baruch was the weakest of the group.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2015, 04:54:17 PM
NEPA:
I hope by around 7:30 next Friday evening, that assumption still holds true.

The reality is if your pre-season All-American candidate shoots 1-10 from the field, inclusive of 1-4 from the line & 0-7 from behind the arc & you still win by 11 on the road against a serious conference foe....then you've got to believe things can't stay that bad & your chances just got better for the next game.

I mean if the Royals pulled a homeless person off the streets in DC before the game & inserted him as the 2...he couldn't have shot much worse.
Probably would have turned the ball over 50 times but my point is when you can survive that cold of a night from a guy you're counting on...you know you've dodged a serious bullet & you have to like your chances going forward.

Taking care of the ball & second chance shots have been huge for the Royals down the stretch....keep it going.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 02, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2015, 04:54:17 PM
NEPA:
I hope by around 7:30 next Friday evening, that assumption still holds true.

The reality is if your pre-season All-American candidate shoots 1-10 from the field, inclusive of 1-4 from the line & 0-7 from behind the arc & you still win by 11 on the road against a serious conference foe....then you've got to believe things can't stay that bad & your chances just got better for the next game.

I mean if the Royals pulled a homeless person off the streets in DC before the game & inserted him as the 2...he couldn't have shot much worse.
Probably would have turned the ball over 50 times but my point is when you can survive that cold of a night from a guy you're counting on...you know you've dodged a serious bullet & you have to like your chances going forward.

Taking care of the ball & second chance shots have been huge for the Royals down the stretch....keep it going.
According to Coach Danzig, the kid broke his foot early in the season and his wrist around Christmas, I think that he is still playing is just toughness.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2015, 04:54:17 PM
NEPA:
I hope by around 7:30 next Friday evening, that assumption still holds true.

The reality is if your pre-season All-American candidate shoots 1-10 from the field, inclusive of 1-4 from the line & 0-7 from behind the arc & you still win by 11 on the road against a serious conference foe....then you've got to believe things can't stay that bad & your chances just got better for the next game.

I mean if the Royals pulled a homeless person off the streets in DC before the game & inserted him as the 2...he couldn't have shot much worse.
Probably would have turned the ball over 50 times but my point is when you can survive that cold of a night from a guy you're counting on...you know you've dodged a serious bullet & you have to like your chances going forward.

Taking care of the ball & second chance shots have been huge for the Royals down the stretch....keep it going.

Right given the Royals recent performance in the NCAA's I am not looking past anyone, just sharing my observations from checking out the competition. Didn't know he hurt his wrist, hadn't heard about that injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Gotta give congratulations to CUA's players as this tournament appearance is down to their hard work and determination throughout the season. After the debacle of last season, they came back determined to play better and more as a team and they accomplished that.

I have to say I was not confident CUA would get in, and I really hope their at-large birth does not confirm to the coaching staff that how they scheduled this year was good enough, as that would be a dangerous precedent to set. Also, just a curious question in case anyone knows, does the NCAA consider the games played on Thursday as "play-in" games per se? What I mean is does the NCAA look at CUA and say "you're one of the last teams in the tournament and so you get to play the #1 team in the country if you win." DO NOT take this as a complaint, as I have no problem with the draw as CUA was probably team 18 or 19 selected, I'm really just curious how the NCAA sees the teams for the Thursday games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
CardsFan -- you can think of the Thursday games as basically 8/9 games in a traditional tournament field. Those are the teams that play to face the top seed. There just isn't a 16 seed in that bracket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
CardsFan -- you can think of the Thursday games as basically 8/9 games in a traditional tournament field. Those are the teams that play to face the top seed. There just isn't a 16 seed in that bracket.

Thanks Pat. That's actually better than I thought. I thought it would be the equivalent in D1 to the "First Four" games in Dayton. I know it's no real treat to get the top seed, but as I knew with CUA's SOS they would not be afforded any cushy draws.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2015, 10:46:41 PM
Even the bottom at-large teams are still better than many of the automatic bids out there, and there are more than 40 automatics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Gotta give congratulations to CUA's players as this tournament appearance is down to their hard work and determination throughout the season. After the debacle of last season, they came back determined to play better and more as a team and they accomplished that.

I have to say I was not confident CUA would get in, and I really hope their at-large birth does not confirm to the coaching staff that how they scheduled this year was good enough, as that would be a dangerous precedent to set. Also, just a curious question in case anyone knows, does the NCAA consider the games played on Thursday as "play-in" games per se? What I mean is does the NCAA look at CUA and say "you're one of the last teams in the tournament and so you get to play the #1 team in the country if you win." DO NOT take this as a complaint, as I have no problem with the draw as CUA was probably team 18 or 19 selected, I'm really just curious how the NCAA sees the teams for the Thursday games.

I think this is a little unfair in terms of SOS.  You are playing 16 league games, plus 1-2 league tournament games.  That doesn't leave a ton of games left for your non-conference schedule.  In Catholic's case, they always host a holiday tournament, so that's 2 more games, and one of those was a solid Guilford team.  They also played in the Hoopsville tournament, and that's 2 more non-conference games.  Quite frankly, they got unlucky.  Both teams they played end up underperforming, but that could not have been known when the games were scheduled.  Gwynedd-Mercy ended up having a decent year but not as good as it could have been.  Another 2 non-conference games were a solid DeSales team and a very good St. Vincent team on the road that ended up in the tournament. 

Sure, maybe you can argue that they shouldn't play a D-1 game to begin the season, but its a good experience for the guys, it helps recruiting, and a trip like they help brings the team together. 

I guess the point is that scheduling isn't an exact science, and its hard to predict months out exactly who is going to be good and who isn't, within reason. I'm not saying they should or should not try to schedule tough opponents, just that it isn't as easy as its made out to be.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 12:51:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Gotta give congratulations to CUA's players as this tournament appearance is down to their hard work and determination throughout the season. After the debacle of last season, they came back determined to play better and more as a team and they accomplished that.

I have to say I was not confident CUA would get in, and I really hope their at-large birth does not confirm to the coaching staff that how they scheduled this year was good enough, as that would be a dangerous precedent to set. Also, just a curious question in case anyone knows, does the NCAA consider the games played on Thursday as "play-in" games per se? What I mean is does the NCAA look at CUA and say "you're one of the last teams in the tournament and so you get to play the #1 team in the country if you win." DO NOT take this as a complaint, as I have no problem with the draw as CUA was probably team 18 or 19 selected, I'm really just curious how the NCAA sees the teams for the Thursday games.

I think this is a little unfair in terms of SOS.  You are playing 16 league games, plus 1-2 league tournament games.  That doesn't leave a ton of games left for your non-conference schedule. 

It does leave nine games. That's pretty ordinary, to have nine or 11.

I think one of the issues is that you have to want to schedule to get into the tournament. There's evidence that CUA doesn't look at this stuff. (Hoopsville interview earlier this season.) I don't think you can afford not to look at the selection criteria and at least consider them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
If anyone is following this... Leonard Trevino at Goucher has resigned after 25 years (along with Didi Cotton after ten years).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
If anyone is following this... Leonard Trevino at Goucher has resigned after 25 years (along with Didi Cotton after ten years).

Coach Cotton didn't give me any inkling of this when I talked with her 2 1/2 weeks ago. Shakeup in the Landmark with 3 HC changes now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2015, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
If anyone is following this... Leonard Trevino at Goucher has resigned after 25 years (along with Didi Cotton after ten years).

That's too bad about Coach Trevino. I remember fondly those Goucher-CUA battles in the CAC in the late 90s and early 2000s. It's going to be strange seeing someone else patrolling the sideline for the Gophers. In regards to his resignation:

a) is it due to him being the coach for over 20 years and looking for something else?
b) was he looking for more support from the school administration and they didn't see things the same as him and so he resigned?
c) is the school administration looking to take the men's and women's programs in a different direction and so they decided to clean house, but allowed the coaches to "resign" rather than fire them?

The timing seems strange that both coaches would resign on the same day, both having been there for a long time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 03:44:07 PM
Well... I don't know how much light I can shed on anything, especially officially, but I can give you my gut feelings:

- As much as it was a surprise, I think this was building. I think both coaches resigning seems odd, but both programs have been struggling. I wonder if this is a move by both to allow both programs to start fresh.
- The timing isn't quite the same day. I have learned Didi made the decision last week and Leonard made it yesterday.

I really don't think there is anything bad going on behind the scenes... I think it may be a mutual thing for all parties. These programs had been struggling for a long time (men had two winning seasons since they last made the NCAA tournament in 1999 and the women hadn't had better than a seven-win season under Didi) and I think all parties appreciated the fact the programs' history was a distant memory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2015, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Gotta give congratulations to CUA's players as this tournament appearance is down to their hard work and determination throughout the season. After the debacle of last season, they came back determined to play better and more as a team and they accomplished that.

I have to say I was not confident CUA would get in, and I really hope their at-large birth does not confirm to the coaching staff that how they scheduled this year was good enough, as that would be a dangerous precedent to set. Also, just a curious question in case anyone knows, does the NCAA consider the games played on Thursday as "play-in" games per se? What I mean is does the NCAA look at CUA and say "you're one of the last teams in the tournament and so you get to play the #1 team in the country if you win." DO NOT take this as a complaint, as I have no problem with the draw as CUA was probably team 18 or 19 selected, I'm really just curious how the NCAA sees the teams for the Thursday games.

I think this is a little unfair in terms of SOS.  You are playing 16 league games, plus 1-2 league tournament games.  That doesn't leave a ton of games left for your non-conference schedule.  In Catholic's case, they always host a holiday tournament, so that's 2 more games, and one of those was a solid Guilford team.  They also played in the Hoopsville tournament, and that's 2 more non-conference games.  Quite frankly, they got unlucky.  Both teams they played end up underperforming, but that could not have been known when the games were scheduled.  Gwynedd-Mercy ended up having a decent year but not as good as it could have been.  Another 2 non-conference games were a solid DeSales team and a very good St. Vincent team on the road that ended up in the tournament. 

Sure, maybe you can argue that they shouldn't play a D-1 game to begin the season, but its a good experience for the guys, it helps recruiting, and a trip like they help brings the team together. 

I guess the point is that scheduling isn't an exact science, and its hard to predict months out exactly who is going to be good and who isn't, within reason. I'm not saying they should or should not try to schedule tough opponents, just that it isn't as easy as its made out to be.   

I completely agree that scheduling is far from an exact science, evidenced this year especially by what happened with injuries to Purchase and Gwynedd-Mercy not having the season many expected.

My feeling about the scheduling is that after 8 seasons of Landmark play, the CUA coaching staff HAS to know that conference play will do them no favors in the SOS department (this season 5 Landmark teams finished with SOS below .500, and still only 3 teams could finish the season with a winning record). To compensate, they have to do better out of conference. Guilford was a good opponent, but they scheduled a York (Pa.) team first that is 17-59 over the last 3 seasons, so it's no surprise that they were poor, along with W&L and Frostburg, neither of whom have had a winning season since 2011. I would like to see CUA start playing the teams at the top of the CAC (e.g. SMCM, Salisbury, CNU).

The option the coaches seem to have chosen though, is to put all their eggs in the basket of winning the conference tournament. Unfortunately, on the evidence of Saturday, that doesn't seem a consistent, viable option for success at the moment. So the options would seem to be a) raise the level of play to begin beating Scranton consistently, or b) make the team as good a Pool C candidate as it can be year in and year out by improving SOS out of conference.

Also, I'm not suggesting CUA go full Tampa Bay Rays and hire a full-time analytics department, but Coach Howes' comments about not paying any attention to the "numbers" is naïve at best, and someone there needs to change that starting next season. No guarantees that a .506 SOS will consistently get to the table come Selection time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2015, 04:05:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2015, 03:44:07 PM
Well... I don't know how much light I can shed on anything, especially officially, but I can give you my gut feelings:

- As much as it was a surprise, I think this was building. I think both coaches resigning seems odd, but both programs have been struggling. I wonder if this is a move by both to allow both programs to start fresh.
- The timing isn't quite the same day. I have learned Didi made the decision last week and Leonard made it yesterday.

I really don't think there is anything bad going on behind the scenes... I think it may be a mutual thing for all parties. These programs had been struggling for a long time (men had two winning seasons since they last made the NCAA tournament in 1999 and the women hadn't had better than a seven-win season under Didi) and I think all parties appreciated the fact the programs' history was a distant memory.

Each school is different. I'm perfectly okay with schools having athletics and not pouring resources into making them national or regional contenders. That's for each school's administration to decide what they want to be. I'll be interested to see what path Goucher takes in "starting fresh." I just hope it was a mutual decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
I really need to address this because the myth keeps perpetuating.

I implore everyone--CardsFan, Pat, D-Mac, to please go back and listen to the interview with Coach Howes in which he supposedly indicated that he pays no attention to "numbers" because the comments he made do not imply in any way anything close to what has been insinuated.

If you won't do that, then I will paraphrase.  He was asked a question at the end of the interview, which occurred a week before the Regional Rankings were released, about how he thought the Cardinals would fare.  Quite frankly, it was sort of an afterthought, and his response was basically to laugh it off, make a joke about math, and say that he hoped they would fare well but right now he's not paying much attention to it because he's trying to coach his time.  I really don't know what he's supposed to say there.  It was not the place--at the very end of a 20 minute interview--to launch into a treatise on his scheduling philosophy.  He was politely trying to say "I'm not going to guess, it doesn't do me any good, but I think I have a good team and hopefully the rankings will reflect that."

How we got from there to Pat Coleman citing "evidence" that "CUA doesn't look at this stuff" when they schedule is beyond me.  Coach Howes most certainly never said that.  Again--please--just go listen to it yourself if you don't believe me.

The fact is that if a few of the teams that were on this year's schedule had played as well as everybody expected, we would never be having this discussion because Catholic's SOS would have been much better.  But it wasn't that great, a few of the teams had bad seasons or weren't quite as good as expected, and here we are. 





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Well, I took it on Dave's word. Maybe it was an off-camera conversation or maybe it took place at the Hoopsville Classic or at Catholic's game at Goucher. I'm not privy to everything in Dave's head (thank goodness!) but he talks to Howes more than I do. Maybe more than you do, too, I don't know.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
Cards and Royals both ranked this week.


DMAC when is the Trevino story going to be official via news release?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2015, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
I really need to address this because the myth keeps perpetuating.

I implore everyone--CardsFan, Pat, D-Mac, to please go back and listen to the interview with Coach Howes in which he supposedly indicated that he pays no attention to "numbers" because the comments he made do not imply in any way anything close to what has been insinuated.

If you won't do that, then I will paraphrase.  He was asked a question at the end of the interview, which occurred a week before the Regional Rankings were released, about how he thought the Cardinals would fare.  Quite frankly, it was sort of an afterthought, and his response was basically to laugh it off, make a joke about math, and say that he hoped they would fare well but right now he's not paying much attention to it because he's trying to coach his time.  I really don't know what he's supposed to say there.  It was not the place--at the very end of a 20 minute interview--to launch into a treatise on his scheduling philosophy.  He was politely trying to say "I'm not going to guess, it doesn't do me any good, but I think I have a good team and hopefully the rankings will reflect that."

How we got from there to Pat Coleman citing "evidence" that "CUA doesn't look at this stuff" when they schedule is beyond me.  Coach Howes most certainly never said that.  Again--please--just go listen to it yourself if you don't believe me.

The fact is that if a few of the teams that were on this year's schedule had played as well as everybody expected, we would never be having this discussion because Catholic's SOS would have been much better.  But it wasn't that great, a few of the teams had bad seasons or weren't quite as good as expected, and here we are.

Matt, I went back and listened to Howes' interview again while I still don't completely agree with you that he was just "laughing it off", I will admit that I had forgotten that the interview was before Regional Rankings had been released and so he did not yet know how CUA's numbers would compare with the rest of the region. So in the small picture of this season, you are 100% right that the team was unlucky with Gwynedd-Mercy and Purchase and if they had been at full strength all season, the numbers would have been better. Also, with so little experience returning this season I'm not sure scheduling a real tough non-conference would have been wise.

My comments are more aimed at the larger, season by season, picture. The team still needs to schedule better. I'm fine with playing a D1 opponent as an exhibition that doesn't count towards W-L. I'm 100% against it as long as it counts. Over the last 3 seasons in games that CUA had control of scheduling they've only played Randolph-Macon (twice), DeSales (3x), Dickinson, and Guilford that directly help SOS. Games against Transylvania, St. Mary's, and Eastern Conn. were not scheduled by CUA. I wonder if the team would have played opponents of that quality left to their own devices?

I would keep DeSales (even though neither team can win in the other's gym), consistently put at least 1 team that's better than CUA in their holiday tournament, minimize games against teams that have had multiple 20-loss seasons in recent history, and personally, I would like to see them play the other programs in the MD-VA area. Stevenson is much improved, St. Mary's is always good, and Salisbury appears to be on the rise. These teams are all reasonably close.

Yes I realize it sounds real good in print here and it is very, very difficult to schedule consistently and I'm glad it's not me having to do that work. Going forward, CUA has 2 fewer non-conference games to play now, so they become even more important as long as Coach Howes continues to pursue his stated goals of 20 wins and an NCAA appearance every season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
Cards and Royals both ranked this week.


DMAC when is the Trevino story going to be official via news release?

It's in our Coaching Carousel:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Well, I took it on Dave's word. Maybe it was an off-camera conversation or maybe it took place at the Hoopsville Classic or at Catholic's game at Goucher. I'm not privy to everything in Dave's head (thank goodness!) but he talks to Howes more than I do. Maybe more than you do, too, I don't know.

I don't believe that was the case. If its going to be repeated as gospel across multiple shows and platforms...then...its not asking too much to be sure that's actually what was said.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Well, I took it on Dave's word. Maybe it was an off-camera conversation or maybe it took place at the Hoopsville Classic or at Catholic's game at Goucher. I'm not privy to everything in Dave's head (thank goodness!) but he talks to Howes more than I do. Maybe more than you do, too, I don't know.

I don't believe that was the case. If its going to be repeated as gospel across multiple shows and platforms...then...its not asking too much to be sure that's actually what was said.

No kidding. Thanks for the reminder, Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2015, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Well, I took it on Dave's word. Maybe it was an off-camera conversation or maybe it took place at the Hoopsville Classic or at Catholic's game at Goucher. I'm not privy to everything in Dave's head (thank goodness!) but he talks to Howes more than I do. Maybe more than you do, too, I don't know.

I don't believe that was the case. If its going to be repeated as gospel across multiple shows and platforms...then...its not asking too much to be sure that's actually what was said.

My fuzzy memory says the interview took place in relation to the Hoopsville Classic but I couldn't find it in the Hoopsville archives.

No kidding. Thanks for the reminder, Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 03, 2015, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2015, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Well, I took it on Dave's word. Maybe it was an off-camera conversation or maybe it took place at the Hoopsville Classic or at Catholic's game at Goucher. I'm not privy to everything in Dave's head (thank goodness!) but he talks to Howes more than I do. Maybe more than you do, too, I don't know.

I don't believe that was the case. If its going to be repeated as gospel across multiple shows and platforms...then...its not asking too much to be sure that's actually what was said.

My fuzzy memory says the interview took place in relation to the Hoopsville Classic but I couldn't find it in the Hoopsville archives.

No kidding. Thanks for the reminder, Matt.

It was on the Hoopsville episode that aired on February 5. Coach Howes was the first guest on that night and the discussion was at the end of his interview around the 39:15 minute mark. The archive is on CUA's D3hoops team page under news releases. As I said, I had forgotten it aired before regional rankings came out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2015, 12:14:15 AM
Yeah. That interview comes close to upholding the standard Dave gives it. He doesn't look at the numbers, he's talking about "body of work" in a system that hasn't rewarded that since 1999 -- practically since he was playing. This doesn't specifically tie in this specific interview to how he puts together his schedule, but it's pretty close.

Jeff Burns, the national chair, specifically gave a call out to coaches to get involved in their Regional Advisory Committee. That would be an eye-opener for a "body of work" coach. (And there are certainly still a lot of them.)

I'm pretty alright with the pundit using it this way. Not perfect but not a travesty.

I wouldn't play Frostburg State. (I get it, they're not overly far away and it's his alma quater but they haven't been a positive addition to SOS for years.) I would make sure you play a better opening round game in your tournament than a team that comes into the season off 7-win and 5-win seasons. I get the whole bad blood with the CAC thing but go play Christopher Newport or play Dickinson again ...

And I don't have a problem with one of the 25 games being played against a D-I team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 04, 2015, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2015, 12:14:15 AM
Yeah. That interview comes close to upholding the standard Dave gives it. He doesn't look at the numbers, he's talking about "body of work" in a system that hasn't rewarded that since 1999 -- practically since he was playing. This doesn't specifically tie in this specific interview to how he puts together his schedule, but it's pretty close.

Jeff Burns, the national chair, specifically gave a call out to coaches to get involved in their Regional Advisory Committee. That would be an eye-opener for a "body of work" coach. (And there are certainly still a lot of them.)

I'm pretty alright with the pundit using it this way. Not perfect but not a travesty.

I wouldn't play Frostburg State. (I get it, they're not overly far away and it's his alma quater but they haven't been a positive addition to SOS for years.) I would make sure you play a better opening round game in your tournament than a team that comes into the season off 7-win and 5-win seasons. I get the whole bad blood with the CAC thing but go play Christopher Newport or play Dickinson again ...

And I don't have a problem with one of the 25 games being played against a D-I team.

Is there legitimate bad blood with the CAC? I'm asking out of ignorance. Is that bad blood from CUA towards the league or the other way around?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2015, 12:31:27 AM
Seemed like there was bad blood with pretty much anyone who left their conferences to join the Landmark. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2015, 12:14:15 AM
Yeah. That interview comes close to upholding the standard Dave gives it. He doesn't look at the numbers, he's talking about "body of work" in a system that hasn't rewarded that since 1999 -- practically since he was playing. This doesn't specifically tie in this specific interview to how he puts together his schedule, but it's pretty close.

Jeff Burns, the national chair, specifically gave a call out to coaches to get involved in their Regional Advisory Committee. That would be an eye-opener for a "body of work" coach. (And there are certainly still a lot of them.)

I'm pretty alright with the pundit using it this way. Not perfect but not a travesty.

I wouldn't play Frostburg State. (I get it, they're not overly far away and it's his alma quater but they haven't been a positive addition to SOS for years.) I would make sure you play a better opening round game in your tournament than a team that comes into the season off 7-win and 5-win seasons. I get the whole bad blood with the CAC thing but go play Christopher Newport or play Dickinson again ...

And I don't have a problem with one of the 25 games being played against a D-I team.

Pat--its a completely different context.  He's not being asked about his scheduling philosophy or whether he looks at or understands the criteria for how teams are selected in the tournament--he was asked solely about the upcoming Regional Rankings and how his team was going to fare.  To then extrapolate from that that the Catholic staff pays no attention to the selection criteria when putting together their schedule is a heck of a stretch.  And at the least, it certainly shouldn't be presented as fact.

You guys have a lot of power--if you say it, people believe it!  I'm just saying--be careful.  There are implications when you say something like that.





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
Got it. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 04, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
All-Conference Teams are out:

First Team: Ross Danzig, Brendan Boken, Bryson Fonville, Jay Howard, Mike Klinger, Brandon Hedley

Second Team: Kevin Herring II, David Smith, Steven Weidlich, Justin Klingman, Corey Stanford, Josh Miller

POY: Bryson Fonville
DPOY: Kevin Phanord
ROY: Jay Howard
COY: Susquehanna staff

3 holdovers from last year's 1st Team in Danzig (3-time 1st Teamer), Boken, and Fonville. CUA, Scranton, and Susquehanna all had 3 honorees. 4 teams not represented at all, but probably tough looking for parity in a league where there was such a gap between the top 3 and everyone else. Congrats to all the honorees.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2015, 05:51:21 PM
What is the contingency plan for tomorrow's snow and the CUA game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2015, 05:54:33 PM
 Alvernia will probably be on site tonight; just have to have the refs be able to get there tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2015, 09:24:02 AM

Maryland is expecting about five inches of snow from this - I know they asked people to stay off the roads during the day, but I doubt it will be too much trouble.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2015, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2015, 09:24:02 AM

Maryland is expecting about five inches of snow from this - I know they asked people to stay off the roads during the day, but I doubt it will be too much trouble.

Is the federal government shut down?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 05, 2015, 11:15:06 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 04, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
All-Conference Teams are out:

First Team: Ross Danzig, Brendan Boken, Bryson Fonville, Jay Howard, Mike Klinger, Brandon Hedley

Second Team: Kevin Herring II, David Smith, Steven Weidlich, Justin Klingman, Corey Stanford, Josh Miller

POY: Bryson Fonville
DPOY: Kevin Phanord
ROY: Jay Howard
COY: Susquehanna staff

3 holdovers from last year's 1st Team in Danzig (3-time 1st Teamer), Boken, and Fonville. CUA, Scranton, and Susquehanna all had 3 honorees. 4 teams not represented at all, but probably tough looking for parity in a league where there was such a gap between the top 3 and everyone else. Congrats to all the honorees.

What team does the DPOY play for? Didn't see his name anywhere.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Charles on March 05, 2015, 11:15:06 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 04, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
All-Conference Teams are out:

First Team: Ross Danzig, Brendan Boken, Bryson Fonville, Jay Howard, Mike Klinger, Brandon Hedley

Second Team: Kevin Herring II, David Smith, Steven Weidlich, Justin Klingman, Corey Stanford, Josh Miller

POY: Bryson Fonville
DPOY: Kevin Phanord
ROY: Jay Howard
COY: Susquehanna staff

3 holdovers from last year's 1st Team in Danzig (3-time 1st Teamer), Boken, and Fonville. CUA, Scranton, and Susquehanna all had 3 honorees. 4 teams not represented at all, but probably tough looking for parity in a league where there was such a gap between the top 3 and everyone else. Congrats to all the honorees.

What team does the DPOY play for? Didn't see his name anywhere.

Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Landmark POY Bryson Fonville led Catholic with 38 points tonight as the Cardinals defeated Alvernia 87-80.  Alvernia started the game 9-0 but CUA responded with a 15-2 run and controlled most of the game.  Alvernia made a late run with a bunch of 3's and missed Catholic free throws, but Fonville was 20-21 from the FT line and put the game away. 

Catholic shot 56% and largely controlled Alvernia's outside game for most of the night. 

Obviously, an extremely uphill challenge for CUA to face RMC on Saturday.  If nothing else, it will be a great experience for some of the younger players.  They have nothing to lose and hopefully will relax and play their game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 05, 2015, 10:34:45 PM
Just back from the DuFour Center in DC and braving the rather treacherous roads in MD. Tremendous effort from all the players tonight. It took the Cards about 3 minutes to really wake up as the game started with 3 consecutive TO's from Bryson Fonville. From there, the Cards played by far their best game of the season considering the quality of the opponent and the stakes of the game.

The coaching staff seemed to put the handbrakes on with about 4 minutes left and decided to start running the clock out instead of continuing to attack and handed all initiative to Alvernia. A combination of CUA falling asleep on defense and Alvernia heating up from 3 got the score differential as low as 4 with about 30 seconds left. Thankfully, Fonville was fantastic from the FT line and clinched the victory.

Special recognition to Alvernia who are a fantastic team. Their post player, Harrison Deyo, should have been playing at a higher level. They're certainly one of, if not the best, team CUA has played all season. Saturday will present a much different challenge, but I'll enjoy traveling to watch the Cards play against the #1 team in the country.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2015, 11:52:17 PM
Well, that HIGHLY questionable foul called on the 3 point attempt at the end certainly contributed as well...along with leaving some points on the table at the FT lane by guys other than Fonville at the end.

Alvernia also hit a couple of deep 3's that they hadn't been making all game--they finally heated up a little bit.  Catholic really wasn't running out the clock--they never had a chance to because Alvernia started fouling early and for a while it was working for them.

The thing that impressed me most was Catholic taking the initial pitch, getting down 9-0, but then getting back up and going on their own run.  It seems ridiculous, but in some ways the most important moments of that game were in the first couple of minutes--in that kind of situation it can snowball quickly (pun intended a little bit) and pretty soon you are completely out of the game.

Its exciting to play #1...you don't get those kinds of opportunities too often.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2015, 12:43:42 AM
 It's a winnable game for the Cards even though @ their place. Scranton won a narrow home game with R-M last season and I don't consider either to be appreciably different this season from last. Good luck - let's have  a Landmark run(s) in the tourney this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 06, 2015, 02:16:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 06, 2015, 12:43:42 AM
It's a winnable game for the Cards even though @ their place. Scranton won a narrow home game with R-M last season and I don't consider either to be appreciably different this season from last. Good luck - let's have  a Landmark run(s) in the tourney this year.

I hope so. Last season Macon really took it to the Cards and the game was essentially over at halftime. Their size and athleticism inside was a major problem.

Best of luck to the Royals against Baruch. I'm hoping for a prolonged run for Danzig and co.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Nice job by the Card's last night...it was like watching several games within a game.
Nothing like an NCAA tournament bid to bring Matt out of retirement.  :o
For what it's worth...I have no idea why the Susquehanna coaching staff got the nod over Catholic's.
Both have young teams, one was on a roll for virtually the entire season, the other, not so much.
One is in the tournament, one is not.
All things being equal, don't see it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2015, 08:28:41 AM
I also have to love when Scranton beats Alvernia early in the season they are nothing but at 12-12 team. When CUA beats them they are the best team they have played all season.

Just an observation and not a criticism of anyone per se.

Ronk,

Totally forgot about RMC defeat at the Long Center last year, great memory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2015, 11:34:40 AM
Thanks because Alvernia early in the season is not even close to as good as the Alvernia team that finished the season... something Coach Miller will tell you in a heartbeat. Alvernia was still trying to find themselves with guys in new positions and having lost a  bit from the previous year. They found themselves in the middle of conference play and became the hottest team in the conference to finish. They pretty much had two different seasons at Alvernia.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Nice job by the Card's last night...it was like watching several games within a game.
Nothing like an NCAA tournament bid to bring Matt out of retirement.  :o
For what it's worth...I have no idea why the Susquehanna coaching staff got the nod over Catholic's.
Both have young teams, one was on a roll for virtually the entire season, the other, not so much.
One is in the tournament, one is not.
All things being equal, don't see it.

Yeah, I didn't want to say it, but...I've been scratching my head over that.  Catholic was picked 3rd if I recall...which is maybe 9-7, 10-6 at best...so they outperformed by 4-5 games in conference, and did so with only 1 senior who doesn't play a lot of minutes.  Seems like a pretty good coaching job.

Ha, I still monitor things...tournament time is always exciting!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 06, 2015, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Nice job by the Card's last night...it was like watching several games within a game.
Nothing like an NCAA tournament bid to bring Matt out of retirement.  :o
For what it's worth...I have no idea why the Susquehanna coaching staff got the nod over Catholic's.
Both have young teams, one was on a roll for virtually the entire season, the other, not so much.
One is in the tournament, one is not.
All things being equal, don't see it.

The conference has always used strange logic to determine coach of the year. That's how Coach Danzig only won for the first time last season. I don't remember exactly where Susquehanna was picked in preseason, but I would assume around 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2015, 10:29:14 PM
Congrats to the Royals in knocking off Baruch. Good video feed from up in Boston and the scranton radio feed is a little behind, makes for a nice combo. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 06, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
Congrats to Scranton on a solid win vs. Baruch. Watched first half and parts of the 2nd. Scranton seemed to be in control for most of the game. Should be a good matchup tomorrow vs. Babson. Babson seems like a lot of #32 Flannery.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:40:43 AM
Has Catholic played a No. 1 team since Rowan in 1996? Not in the 2001 tournament ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 01:47:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:40:43 AM
Has Catholic played a No. 1 team since Rowan in 1996? Not in the 2001 tournament ...

It's been 14 years so I may be a bit hazy, but wasn't Ohio Northern #1 going into the Final Four? If they weren't then CUA hasn't played #1 since Rowan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:50:38 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 01:47:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:40:43 AM
Has Catholic played a No. 1 team since Rowan in 1996? Not in the 2001 tournament ...

It's been 14 years so I may be a bit hazy, but wasn't Ohio Northern #1 going into the Final Four? If they weren't then CUA hasn't played #1 since Rowan.

No, I specifically checked, hence the "not in the 2001 tournament."

I mean, ONU might have been No. 1 in the coaches' poll or something but that poll was so bad they gave up doing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:50:38 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 01:47:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:40:43 AM
Has Catholic played a No. 1 team since Rowan in 1996? Not in the 2001 tournament ...

It's been 14 years so I may be a bit hazy, but wasn't Ohio Northern #1 going into the Final Four? If they weren't then CUA hasn't played #1 since Rowan.

No, I specifically checked, hence the "not in the 2001 tournament."

I mean, ONU might have been No. 1 in the coaches' poll or something but that poll was so bad they
gave up doing it.

I checked as soon as I posted, and ONU was #6. So I guess you're right with Rowan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2015, 09:58:55 AM
Babson vs Scranton at 7. Babson is a big team, and it looks like a great match up b/w their two stars and Boken and Danzig. The good news is Scranton has been rebounding a lot better since that MMA when we got all over them.

Westfield State had Babson on the ropes a bit, but faded with about 5 minutes left. Looked like a bit of team infighting from my observation of the live stream.

I am wondering if Scranton's 3 point shooting is the x factor here.

What is the scouting report on RM-CUA?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 11:35:36 AM
Macon is strong in areas that CUA is weak. They will have a decided height advantage across the board. My major concern is that Macon will wear CUA down as they play 10 guys at least 13 minutes per game, making them seemingly immune to foul trouble.

Macon has only 2 guys averaging 10+ ppg, but everyone who plays is capable of a big game. I seem to remember from the Hoopsville Tournament early in the season that Macon wasn't setting the world on fire offensively, but their defense was very intense and they make it a physical game.

3 big keys for CUA today: hit 7-10 threes, get to the foul line, and keep the rebounding battle close.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2015, 10:35:17 PM
Well, thus ends the Landmark season.

R-MC vs Catholic was an entertaining game.  Obviously, you want to win, but Catholic played them extremely tough the whole game and wouldn't let R-MC run away with it despite some obvious disadvantages.  What really stands out to me is that CUA actually outrebounded R-MC despite a massive size disadvantage.  R-MC has a whole bunch of D1 bodies and some of them have D1 skills.  Its a bit jarring to see 7 feet centers draining 3's.  But Catholic actually played a very smart game and only turned the ball over 5 times.  They couldn't get anything going from outside and that ultimately was the difference.  On the other hand, I thought R-MC wasn't particularly smart with their shot selection--they were settling for a lot of outside shots when I thought they could have been more productive down low.

Corey Stanford played an extremely good game for the Cardinals--he was aggressive and did everything he needed to win.  Ultimately, Catholic got worn down and just couldn't catch up.

Now, there was ugliness with about 1:00 left in the game.  For some reason, rather than holding the ball, an R-MC player made a hard drive to the basket and got fouled by Kyle Phanord.  It was a hard foul, and probably late.  The refs I believe called a flagrant foul, and that's fine.  But R-MC coach has a complete meltdown and starts screaming at the player and then at Steve Howes.  You can see for yourself here, the fun starts at about 2:22  https://www.boxcast.com/show/#/r-mc-mbb-ncaa-tourn-2nd-round

Now, I was close enough to actually hear him, and Coach Davis is literally screaming f-bombs at the Catholic bench and the court.  I understand that he's upset and wants to protect his player, but...really?  It was a hard foul, I get it.  But it had not been a dirty game to that point whatsoever.  I don't understand the overreaction.  Somehow, out of that the Catholic bench gets a technical, I guess for coming out of their seats when Davis was marching down the sideline wagging his finger and screaming at Howes.  Obviously, Howes took exception to the f-bombs but nothing physical happened.

So, a little extra excitement. 

But overall, tough to be too disappointed consider the level of opponent.  There's a lot to build on for Catholic--next year obviously they'd like to be in R-MC's position, and its not out of the question considering the talent they are bringing back.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 07, 2015, 11:48:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2015, 10:35:17 PM
Well, thus ends the Landmark season.

R-MC vs Catholic was an entertaining game.  Obviously, you want to win, but Catholic played them extremely tough the whole game and wouldn't let R-MC run away with it despite some obvious disadvantages.  What really stands out to me is that CUA actually outrebounded R-MC despite a massive size disadvantage.  R-MC has a whole bunch of D1 bodies and some of them have D1 skills.  Its a bit jarring to see 7 feet centers draining 3's.  But Catholic actually played a very smart game and only turned the ball over 5 times.  They couldn't get anything going from outside and that ultimately was the difference.  On the other hand, I thought R-MC wasn't particularly smart with their shot selection--they were settling for a lot of outside shots when I thought they could have been more productive down low.

Corey Stanford played an extremely good game for the Cardinals--he was aggressive and did everything he needed to win.  Ultimately, Catholic got worn down and just couldn't catch up.

Now, there was ugliness with about 1:00 left in the game.  For some reason, rather than holding the ball, an R-MC player made a hard drive to the basket and got fouled by Kyle Phanord.  It was a hard foul, and probably late.  The refs I believe called a flagrant foul, and that's fine.  But R-MC coach has a complete meltdown and starts screaming at the player and then at Steve Howes.  You can see for yourself here, the fun starts at about 2:22  https://www.boxcast.com/show/#/r-mc-mbb-ncaa-tourn-2nd-round

Now, I was close enough to actually hear him, and Coach Davis is literally screaming f-bombs at the Catholic bench and the court.  I understand that he's upset and wants to protect his player, but...really?  It was a hard foul, I get it.  But it had not been a dirty game to that point whatsoever.  I don't understand the overreaction.  Somehow, out of that the Catholic bench gets a technical, I guess for coming out of their seats when Davis was marching down the sideline wagging his finger and screaming at Howes.  Obviously, Howes took exception to the f-bombs but nothing physical happened.

So, a little extra excitement. 

But overall, tough to be too disappointed consider the level of opponent.  There's a lot to build on for Catholic--next year obviously they'd like to be in R-MC's position, and its not out of the question considering the talent they are bringing back.

Corey Stanford was fantastic. 22 points and 13 rebounds against several guys bigger and taller than him. I don't think the Cards could've done anything differently today with the team put together as it currently is (lack of height and consistent outside shooting.) The height difference between Macon's guards and CUA's was a real problem today. Still, very glad I made the trip today.

Lot of praise for CUA this season. To finish 23-6, win 15 conference games, play for a conference title, make the 2nd Round of the NCAA Tournament and give the #1 team in the country a decent game was far more than what even the most optimistic fan could've imagined for this season. As long as it's a quiet summer and this group returns in its entirety, hopefully adding some talented freshman, next season should be fun.

The end of game shenanigans gave me CAC flashbacks. Matt, I don't know what else Macon's coach wanted at that point. He was comfortably winning the game and the refs made the appropriate call of a Flagrant 1. It wasn't close to the level of a Flagrant 2. No one really covered themselves in glory at the end, as numerous players and coaches from both sides needed restraining, but I completely understand Coach Howes' reaction.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 01:18:28 AM
I only saw it in the corner of my eye on the cell phone as I drove to Dickinson, but from reports there were some things building including some extra curricular activities from some CUA players in plays prior... and apparently some of the players headed towards the RMC bench after the play. RMC's coach is one of the coolest, calmest guys you will ever see in a game. For him to be fired up takes a lot... and to be honest, I have never seen it happen in all my years watching him coach. That was something to listen to and hear about.

Now... I am not trying to blame anyone, so please don't take it that way. Emotions were high for everyone. I don't have a problem with RMC trying to score there. CUA is still within striking distance and had shown they could get some quick baskets there in the closing minutes. You have to make sure to get another point if you have the chance. From what I heard (again heard and not from RMC people), the foul was a bit of a tackle and late in a game that isn't needed and clearly the RMC coach and some players didn't appreciate the tactic. I personally was surprised a CUA player would be that aggressive as well... but I also understand the emotions of it all. It was a well fought game that I wish had a better ending.

Lesson learned I hope for both parties... it should be noted the play happened right at the feet of the national committee chair who is as critical of his team (when needed) as others... so his take is more important than anyone elses.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2015, 03:35:07 AM
Dave,
I know you are super busy right now and I'm sure haven't had a chance to really look at the video, but I posted it so people could see for themselves what we're talking about. 

I don't have a problem with trying to score either and I don't think it had anything to do with the play one way or the other, other than maybe catching the defense by surprise a little bit.  With 1:00 to go up, up 13, that would not have been my strategy, but I'm not coaching.   I'm not aware of any extracurricular activities whatsoever leading up to that, unless you count one of the Catholic players tipping the ball from a Macon players hand after a whistle (for which the ref told him not to, handled well).  But this was not a game when bodies were getting knocked to the floor after the whistle or anything like that.

It was a hard foul, and the refs were on top of it.  (You can see for yourself).  I personally think it was one of those that probably looked worse than it was, but I understand the call and I'm not arguing with it.  But quite honestly, I've seen plenty worse and so have you.  It wasn't especially unique.

But...what in the world is the R-MC coach carrying on about, and why is he going over to the Catholic bench screaming?  Why is he using that kind of language?  The refs made the call he wanted--right away (look at the baseline ref).  Several different times Davis starts walking away from his bench, toward the Catholic bench, and he's screaming expletives.  Is that really necessary?  Ever?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 03:48:00 AM
Considering a former Catholic coach was infamous for yelling down at the opposing bench and using some very colorful language (one of the reasons I invested in a microphone with a mute button)... why do you ask? LOL

I wasn't there... I don't know what got Nate Davis so angry... but I can tell you there must have been something because that is not his style in any way, shape, or form. I also believe the tech on CUA was for leaving the bench (players, not coach) - but that is a guess.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 08, 2015, 04:36:34 AM
I have no problem with the Macon player trying to score there. As to the foul, it's a solid Flagrant 1 100%. it wasn't a smart play on CUA's part, but I understand the frustration. The player was absolutely not trying to hurt the Macon player, but it did occur in front of their bench so that raises the tension level.

As to any extracurriculars, it was a very physical (not dirty) game, now if Macon feels they were receiving some cheap shots, that door certainly swings both ways. Macon seems to take pride in playing a physical style of ball and that's fine...it is a contact sport after all, but they have to expect some physicality in return.

I'm all for coaches protecting their players, but that was the first really hard foul in a physical game and Coach Davis overreacted. Just punishment was handed out immediately and the Macon player wasn't hurt. D-Mac I believe you that Davis is a mild-mannered man as I've seen him coach several times and never seen him explode, but he did yesterday, and if your gonna attack another coach then expect a response. As I said earlier, no one ended up looking real good (Howes included).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on March 08, 2015, 08:40:50 AM
a real unfortunate play. that's how kids get hurt. just a sad way for CUA to end a nice season. Coach Howes needs to explain his  behavior. bad moment for CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
I just watched the video, I don't see how you get on the RMC coach for that. No reason for that foul and risking injury to a kid for the rest of the Tournament. He tackled him.

Another observation from Babson is the behavior of their bench. Not on the level of what happened at RMC but Babson bench players act like they are in the student section jumping up and down and gyrating like crazy on every play. I would think players would be held up to a higher standard.

How great is it that we get all these games in HD right on our computer? Unreal weekend of hoops.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 08, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
Love your posts 95% of the time, NEPA FAN, but I Love it when the bench players get all involved!  Nothing worse for me as a fan to look over & see our bench sulking or looking downright catatonic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: kate on March 08, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
Love your posts 95% of the time, NEPA FAN, but I Love it when the bench players get all involved!  Nothing worse for me as a fan to look over & see our bench sulking or looking downright catatonic.

Only 95% of the time? ;)

I agree to a certain extent  but I think at a certain point it becomes too much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 08, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
I bet if you were an opposing fan of Scrantons' that you'd be happy, too if your team was winning  ;). Seriously, I think the entire MAC Freedom still misses you guys and Drew!  Perhaps I should just speak for myself, though!  Who knows, maybe next year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 08, 2015, 06:28:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2015, 09:58:55 AM
Babson vs Scranton at 7. Babson is a big team, and it looks like a great match up b/w their two stars and Boken and Danzig. The good news is Scranton has been rebounding a lot better since that MMA when we got all over them.

Westfield State had Babson on the ropes a bit, but faded with about 5 minutes left. Looked like a bit of team infighting from my observation of the live stream.

I am wondering if Scranton's 3 point shooting is the x factor here.

What is the scouting report on RM-CUA?

So what kind of game was Scranton-Babson? Was it really just a matter of Scranton shooting poorly? I would have liked at least 1 Landmark team to make the 2nd weekend, but it wasn't to be. I'm certainly not going to miss Ross Danzig tearing CUA up twice a season, but he was a fantastic player (probably the best this conference has ever had) and I am going to miss watching him play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2015, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 08, 2015, 06:28:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2015, 09:58:55 AM
Babson vs Scranton at 7. Babson is a big team, and it looks like a great match up b/w their two stars and Boken and Danzig. The good news is Scranton has been rebounding a lot better since that MMA when we got all over them.

Westfield State had Babson on the ropes a bit, but faded with about 5 minutes left. Looked like a bit of team infighting from my observation of the live stream.

I am wondering if Scranton's 3 point shooting is the x factor here.

What is the scouting report on RM-CUA?

So what kind of game was Scranton-Babson? Was it really just a matter of Scranton shooting poorly? I would have liked at least 1 Landmark team to make the 2nd weekend, but it wasn't to be. I'm certainly not going to miss Ross Danzig tearing CUA up twice a season, but he was a fantastic player (probably the best this conference has ever had) and I am going to miss watching him play.

Well, the difference was Babson's good defense; the only open shots were PG Doolan's and he hit 4 3s. No one else was getting open shots or weakly-defended drives like we saw in the regular season. Babson went on a 10-0 run midway in the 1st half to go
from 4 down to 6 up. The lead was mostly 7-12 in the 2nd half before Scranton missed an open 3 in the last 2 mins that would have cut it to 2. It was a winnable game but the bar is set higher in the postseason and it becomes harder to run your offense. Boken gave them trouble on offense and Ross scored 12 in the 2nd half to spark the comeback, but you need more to advance. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2015, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 08, 2015, 08:40:50 AM
a real unfortunate play. that's how kids get hurt. just a sad way for CUA to end a nice season. Coach Howes needs to explain his  behavior. bad moment for CUA.

Why?  What did Coach Howes do?  His player made a hard foul and got called for it.  The opposing coach felt the need to march down the sideline and cuss out both the opposing coach and the player.  What is Coach Howes supposed to do about it?

I respectfully disagree with NEPA fan--again, I don't think its appropriate for a coach to scream the f-word at an opposing coach or player in any circumstance, even if you feel like you've been wronged.  He's okay with that, I'm not.  Different standards, so be it.





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Matt... did you have a problem when Lonergan did it? I know I did when Trevino used to do it... but did you have a problem when Lonergan used to do it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 08, 2015, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Matt... did you have a problem when Lonergan did it? I know I did when Trevino used to do it... but did you have a problem when Lonergan used to do it?

I don't think anyone who was around during the Lonergan years would argue that he isn't an animated coach, but it didn't seem so crazy then as many CAC game were "tense" to say the least. I remember several bust-ups between he and Rod Wood at UMW, but I also admit I don't have a great sense of all those moments as I was a young kid then.

I'm against any coach making a spectacle of himself, but may I just add a qualifier for yesterday that Howes was not the instigator and was responding to what was being directed at him. Again, not in favor of the "hold me back" approach but once the adrenaline gets pumping reactions get tricky.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2015, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Charles on March 08, 2015, 08:40:50 AM
a real unfortunate play. that's how kids get hurt. just a sad way for CUA to end a nice season. Coach Howes needs to explain his  behavior. bad moment for CUA.

Why?  What did Coach Howes do?  His player made a hard foul and got called for it.  The opposing coach felt the need to march down the sideline and cuss out both the opposing coach and the player.  What is Coach Howes supposed to do about it?

I respectfully disagree with NEPA fan--again, I don't think its appropriate for a coach to scream the f-word at an opposing coach or player in any circumstance, even if you feel like you've been wronged.  He's okay with that, I'm not.  Different standards, so be it.

Matt i can only go by the video. I have no idea what the RMC coach yelled at the CUA bench. I can
See the nature of the foul in the video. I can see his reason for getting upset and understand emotions run high in the second round of the tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2015, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Matt... did you have a problem when Lonergan did it? I know I did when Trevino used to do it... but did you have a problem when Lonergan used to do it?

We're talking about things that happened a decade ago when all of us were much younger. Perhaps those things aren't relevant for any of us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2015, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Matt... did you have a problem when Lonergan did it? I know I did when Trevino used to do it... but did you have a problem when Lonergan used to do it?

I suppose that's a fair question, and in the abstract my answer is yes. I certainly remember Lonergan getting plenty worked up with officials and with his own players, but I don't recall ever seeing him go to the other sideline and start going off on another coach.  Now, I'm sure there were plenty of things that happened when I wasn't around, and I heard stories, but I just don't remember myself ever seeing that.  I remember things got very heated down at Mary Washington in the conference tournament one year and there was certainly no love lost between Wood and Lonergan. Catholic had all kinds of incidents with Marymount over a couple of years too, but I don't remember the coaches really ever being involved.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, you guys were around before I was.  The big Goucher-Catholic battles were mostly before my time, I wasn't there for the SRC North/South era.  I do remember Trevino getting very hot at home once and getting one or two tech's, and then picking up at least one another time at Catholic, but I don't remember him ever directing it to that extent to Catholic's coaches or players either.

The context does matter--I don't think its ever okay, but its one thing when you have a history with a team and there's been consistent bad blood, its another when its a single play at the end of a well-played game between teams that I think both generally have good reputations.  I certainly agree with CardsFan--the Landmark is very tame compared to the CAC.  Maybe I'm just not conditioned to it anymore.

NEPA--I'm okay with the R-MC coach getting upset.  I totally understand it.  But...stay on your own sideline and direct your profanities and/or thoughts to the officials and your own team.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2015, 12:07:51 PM
Talk about deceiving.....
Under the header, Sweet 16 Hosts Announced...
"Babson packed em' in this weekend".
Really?
You mean all 600 that gym holds?
Pretty bad when as the game is about to begin, maintenance is carrying bleachers in to be placed on an overhead running track.
Whatever happened to minimum requirements schools must meet in regard to seating?
Then, to top it off, Babson gets the nod for the next round?
I hope the college promised additional seating would be in place prior to tipoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2015, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 09, 2015, 12:07:51 PM
Talk about deceiving.....
Under the header, Sweet 16 Hosts Announced...
"Babson packed em' in this weekend".
Really?
You mean all 600 that gym holds?
Pretty bad when as the game is about to begin, maintenance is carrying bleachers in to be placed on an overhead running track.
Whatever happened to minimum requirements schools must meet in regard to seating?
Then, to top it off, Babson gets the nod for the next round?
I hope the college promised additional seating would be in place prior to tipoff.

The 1000 seat minimum is only for the sectional rounds, not the regional 1st weekend rounds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Well to be honest, there is a minimum for the first weekend it just isn't written down. Thus why many feel the reason schools like Albertus Magnus will never host in the NCAA tournament a pod of games - just too small. Babson apparently fits in with everything the NCAA requires in a host including seating - and temp seating is nothing new for any location (why it was being delivered at the last minute is up to opinion and maybe factors we don't know). Apparently Babson did a good enough job this past weekend to host again this weekend or the tourney most likely would have been at Trinity (Bates is further than 500 miles to Johns Hopkins) which I am pretty sure is plenty big.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 09, 2015, 12:07:51 PM
Talk about deceiving.....
Under the header, Sweet 16 Hosts Announced...
"Babson packed em' in this weekend".
Really?
You mean all 600 that gym holds?
Pretty bad when as the game is about to begin, maintenance is carrying bleachers in to be placed on an overhead running track.
Whatever happened to minimum requirements schools must meet in regard to seating?
Then, to top it off, Babson gets the nod for the next round?
I hope the college promised additional seating would be in place prior to tipoff.

My contacts in New England, who have seen sectional play elsewhere, didn't think it was out of line for Babson to host a sectional.

They listed 1250 as the attendance for Saturday, but that is a round number so I doubt it is the official, NCAA-recognized attendance. They claim 650 permanent seating but 1,500 with temporary seating and SRO. Hopefully the fire marshall agrees.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2015, 12:43:39 PM
Ronk:
I've certainly heard of certain schools being passed over for first round games in the past due to their gym's 8th. grade seating capacity.
Beyond that, how can they host a sectional where teams actually travel with a fan & alumni base?
Trinity hosted the NESCAC tournament & is a far better option.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Well to be honest, there is a minimum for the first weekend it just isn't written down. Thus why many feel the reason schools like Albertus Magnus will never host in the NCAA tournament a pod of games - just too small. Babson apparently fits in with everything the NCAA requires in a host including seating - and temp seating is nothing new for any location (why it was being delivered at the last minute is up to opinion and maybe factors we don't know). Apparently Babson did a good enough job this past weekend to host again this weekend or the tourney most likely would have been at Trinity (Bates is further than 500 miles to Johns Hopkins) which I am pretty sure is plenty big.

It is written down and the criteria is regulation court, not minimum capacity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Well to be honest, there is a minimum for the first weekend it just isn't written down. Thus why many feel the reason schools like Albertus Magnus will never host in the NCAA tournament a pod of games - just too small. Babson apparently fits in with everything the NCAA requires in a host including seating - and temp seating is nothing new for any location (why it was being delivered at the last minute is up to opinion and maybe factors we don't know). Apparently Babson did a good enough job this past weekend to host again this weekend or the tourney most likely would have been at Trinity (Bates is further than 500 miles to Johns Hopkins) which I am pretty sure is plenty big.

It is written down and the criteria is regulation court, not minimum capacity.

Right, so as was said, not a criterion for seating capacity the first weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
ronk - as Pat said, it isn't a criterion, but please understand there is a minimum the NCAA isn't going to go under in terms of seating for the first weekend of games... that number just isn't written down. Otherwise, places like AMC, Wesley, and others with very small gyms would be able to host... but we know they are not (at least for a pod of game). Also, it doesn't come down to a regulation court because teams wouldn't be allowed to play on their courts during the regular season in the first place.

saratoga - they aren't going to take away a hosting opportunity from a school because a visiting school might have a huge number of alumni and fans who want to be at the game. They are also not going to start bracketing and sending teams to particular places for the very same reasons. If a school meets or exceeds the minimum criteria (and are ranked high enough), they get to host and if fans are shut-out - well I hate to say it, it won't be the first nor will it be the last time.

I vividly remember calling games at Centre College a number of years ago where they didn't have enough room for their own students to be in the gym (it was a very popular regional). They made sure to have video of the game on TVs around campus, including the cafe right outside the gym, so fans could see it. We taped in my audio that game - I believe that was my first audio/video broadcast in what was very new thinking at the time. That gym hasn't changed and they are worthy of hosting in the future as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
ronk - as Pat said, it isn't a criterion, but please understand there is a minimum the NCAA isn't going to go under in terms of seating for the first weekend of games... that number just isn't written down. Otherwise, places like AMC, Wesley, and others with very small gyms would be able to host... but we know they are not (at least for a pod of game). Also, it doesn't come down to a regulation court because teams wouldn't be allowed to play on their courts during the regular season in the first place.

Actually, you can play your regular season games on a non-regulation court. Hope men did so while they were in the Holland Civic Center and Emmanuel women did before they built a new facility. They could play their regular season games there but come playoff time, they were elsewhere or on the road.

Probably doesn't come up much anymore. Not sure if anyone has a court these days that isn't 94 feet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2015, 01:27:12 PM

Babson might not have a ton of seating, but the gym is plenty big enough, especially if they bring in temporary seats.  As far as NE d3 schools go, I'd say Babson is at least average in size.  There are a lot of small gyms around NE.

I've been to a lot of games where there were four rows on one side and that's it.

Shoot, before moving to other parts of the country, I would have called Babson's gym big.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 09, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
ronk - as Pat said, it isn't a criterion, but please understand there is a minimum the NCAA isn't going to go under in terms of seating for the first weekend of games... that number just isn't written down. Otherwise, places like AMC, Wesley, and others with very small gyms would be able to host... but we know they are not (at least for a pod of game). Also, it doesn't come down to a regulation court because teams wouldn't be allowed to play on their courts during the regular season in the first place.


Actually, you can play your regular season games on a non-regulation court. Hope men did so while they were in the Holland Civic Center and Emmanuel women did before they built a new facility. They could play their regular season games there but come playoff time, they were elsewhere or on the road.

Probably doesn't come up much anymore. Not sure if anyone has a court these days that isn't 94 feet.

Wondering when the rule for regulation came into effect, as I certainly remember tourney games at the Holland Civic Center....  particularly falling to Wabash with Pete Metzelaars and current official Merlin Nice....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 09, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
ronk - as Pat said, it isn't a criterion, but please understand there is a minimum the NCAA isn't going to go under in terms of seating for the first weekend of games... that number just isn't written down. Otherwise, places like AMC, Wesley, and others with very small gyms would be able to host... but we know they are not (at least for a pod of game). Also, it doesn't come down to a regulation court because teams wouldn't be allowed to play on their courts during the regular season in the first place.


Actually, you can play your regular season games on a non-regulation court. Hope men did so while they were in the Holland Civic Center and Emmanuel women did before they built a new facility. They could play their regular season games there but come playoff time, they were elsewhere or on the road.

Probably doesn't come up much anymore. Not sure if anyone has a court these days that isn't 94 feet.

Wondering when the rule for regulation came into effect, as I certainly remember tourney games at the Holland Civic Center....  particularly falling to Wabash with Pete Metzelaars and current official Merlin Nice....

Yep, lot of discussion about that back in the day on these boards. Sometime in the 1990s, after the women hosted the Final Four there. When we started covering D-III, they were playing their NCAA Tournament home games in the Dow Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
Congrats to Babson for advancing last night against Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
 Scott Walsh @swalshTT  ·  4h 4 hours ago

On this date in 1983, @ScrantonBball won @ncaadiii nat'l championship, beating Wittenberg in final in Grand Rapids.


Wish I could figure out how to insert pictures on this board..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 19, 2015, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
Scott Walsh @swalshTT  ·  4h 4 hours ago

On this date in 1983, @ScrantonBball won @ncaadiii nat'l championship, beating Wittenberg in final in Grand Rapids.


Wish I could figure out how to insert pictures on this board..

The Royals were led by Bill Bessoir, son of the HC; could have been duplicated this year with Ross, son of the HC. Maybe in the future with Ethan or Jackson. :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 19, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
Something like this one, perhaps? :)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scranton.edu%2Falumni%2Fjournal%2Fissues%2F2013%2Fspring%2Fcommons%2Fimages%2Froad-trip%2F13-Program.jpg&hash=6707026ca3b6570aed9749dca5340917a0e3253a)

I've heard about that photo before, but never seen it.

The whole article is pretty cool.

http://www.scranton.edu/alumni/journal/issues/2013/spring/athletics/Road-Trip.shtml
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 19, 2015, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 19, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
Something like this one, perhaps? :)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scranton.edu%2Falumni%2Fjournal%2Fissues%2F2013%2Fspring%2Fcommons%2Fimages%2Froad-trip%2F13-Program.jpg&hash=6707026ca3b6570aed9749dca5340917a0e3253a)

I've heard about that photo before, but never seen it.

The whole article is pretty cool.

http://www.scranton.edu/alumni/journal/issues/2013/spring/athletics/Road-Trip.shtml

Gordon,
    Thanks, I don't remember reading that article; going to get out my VCR tape of the game while I still have a player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 31, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
       Former East Stroudsburg University assistant coach and Moravian graduate Justin Potts has been named the head coach of the Greyhounds' men's basketball program. Potts replaces Jim Walker, who announced his retirement on Feb. 24. This is the 1st of the 4(Goucher(2),Scranton women) CURRENT Landmark basketball head coaching openings to be filled.
     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 04, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
More coaching news, albeit at the assistant level:


http://www.pennathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=8624&SPID=539&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=209997290&DB_OEM_ID=1700


Congrats to Mihalich and best of lucky in Philly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 08, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
It has not been announced officially, yet, but I have learned that Tom Rose will be the next head coach for Goucher. Tom is an alum and former associate head coach for the Gophers.

220 applicants applied.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 08, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 08, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
It has not been announced officially, yet, but I have learned that Tom Rose will be the next head coach for Goucher. Tom is an alum and former associate head coach for the Gophers.

220 applicants applied.

I had an email exchange with Tom Rose 3 years ago, trying to interest one of his high school players in Scranton; he had good words for our school and bball program; now he'll be coaching against us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
Not a surprise here. Merchant Marine heading back to the Skyline Conference: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 26, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
Not a surprise here. Merchant Marine heading back to the Skyline Conference: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference)

Look no further than the MAC Commonwealth for their replacement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 27, 2015, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 26, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
Not a surprise here. Merchant Marine heading back to the Skyline Conference: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference)

Look no further than the MAC Commonwealth for their replacement.

Makes more sense to stay with 8 schools; they may have just gone to 9 to accommodate E-town after choosing Scranton over them 8 years ago. Now they have the opportunity to go back to a full schedule every playing day without a bye for 1 team or the special arrangements for MMA's travel needs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 27, 2015, 10:17:07 AM
O.K. CCHoopster, I'm taking the bait - Mitts off the MAC!!!  Either side!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 27, 2015, 03:18:13 PM
I highly doubt the MAC loses any teams in the near future. I have had countless conversations with different people in the conference and outside ... and I just don't see it happening. They would have bolted already when E'town did if they were really interested. I think eight is the right number for the Landmark... unless they added two to go to ten. I could see that, but when I broke down who... I didn't see MAC teams being the obvious choice. To be honest... there was only two schools I ended up with that would fit... and I just don't see anything happening in the short-term.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 27, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Someday I really need to talk with somebody about this - what does "that would fit" mean exactly?  Does it mean a small school who, of course, wants to win - but in the end, it's just for the joy of playing collegiate sports?  Schools that don't have football, although I'm sure there are times when our "old" teams, Juniata, Moravian and Susquehanna have wondered "what have we done"?  Said it before, distance travelled is the only reason I could see for forming a geographically aligned league.  Money surely does not grow on trees. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 28, 2015, 07:22:19 AM
Quote from: kate on May 27, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Someday I really need to talk with somebody about this - what does "that would fit" mean exactly?  Does it mean a small school who, of course, wants to win - but in the end, it's just for the joy of playing collegiate sports?  Schools that don't have football, although I'm sure there are times when our "old" teams, Juniata, Moravian and Susquehanna have wondered "what have we done"?  Said it before, distance travelled is the only reason I could see for forming a geographically aligned league.  Money surely does not grow on trees.

Number of sports offered is a big one - and which sports.  There's also the old "mission and vision alignment" which really translates to "how much money do they sink into the athletics dept."  A conference wants schools with similar goal for athletics, which usually boils down to winning conference championships vs competing for national titles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2015, 09:35:54 AM
Thanks for the input HoopsFan.  It's really an extremely interesting topic.  As much as we always wanted to beat Scranton, I was always proud when they went to the NCAA's.  Now, too, our Aggies truly love to conquer FDU, and yet I was thrilled  when they won the National Championship last year.  Also, as far as sports offered, when the initial five teams left the MAC, we were all offering pretty much the same (DVU has added women's golf, men's & women's tennis & men's and women's lacrosse).  I would have loved to be a fly on the wall to hear those initial meetings forming the Landmark.  Also, I will Never forget, back in 2006, when I was going on & on about how angry I was, a Drew poster shot me down & reminded me that it was NOT the decision of the student athlete, but an administration that was convinced that even though they were "like minded", they were somehow "different".  Again, one interesting topic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 28, 2015, 10:05:18 AM
Really hoping Del Val joins us in the Landmark !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
 ;D - Hey, NEPAFAN, knock it off  ;D!  For the first time in awhile d3 hoops has surpassed FB for my attention.  That's how much I love d3 sports and miss you guys!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 28, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
Well Hoops Fan may be dancing around one of the biggest reasons for the right "fit" ... type of school.

Look at the Landmark conference, for example. They are all are similar in cost (MMA is different in the fact that you need a Congressional appointment to get in), academic standards and expectations, admissions standards (again, look at the difficulty to get in at the USMMA), school size, etc., etc., etc.

Nothing against Delaware Valley University... but it doesn't fit into those things with the Landmark. There are a number of people who think York would be a likely candidate for the Landmark, but in reality they probably aren't.

People roll their eyes when they hear "like minded" but that is true with almost all conferences. The NESCAC isn't going to accept Albertus Magnus because they don't fit with the rest of the schools in the conference. The Centennial isn't going to accept Lancaster Bible. And it works the other way, the SUNYAC, WIAC, etc. aren't going to accept non-state schools. (Yes, affiliations to fill the ranks of the sport(s) are the exceptions.)

So when I say being the right fit... I have a lot of that in mind outside of athletics (because it influences the athletic departments) and athletically as well. However, there are plenty of examples in many conferences where they fit academically and don't fit athletically... but that tough fit athletically doesn't stop them from being a member. Many conferences have academic relationships within their group as well that develop from their athletic partnership. It isn't just about athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
Kind of a slippery slope here Dave.  Was unaware of differences between say Hood and Goucher, or even Moravian and Albright.  I'm sure there are more similarities, but I'm too lazy to research stats.  At any rate, thank you, as always, for your imput.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 28, 2015, 04:06:42 PM
Also, Dave, I didn't say that I wanted DVU to join the Landmark :D - please!!!  The Landmark, or as I think of it, the NEWMAC, needs no one else.  You're all just fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2015, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: kate on May 28, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
Kind of a slippery slope here Dave.  Was unaware of differences between say Hood and Goucher, or even Moravian and Albright.  I'm sure there are more similarities, but I'm too lazy to research stats.  At any rate, thank you, as always, for your imput.

I don't think it's a slippery slope at all... if you don't think the schools, presidents, ADs, etc. know the differences in the schools on a much more basic level and understand what conferences are looking for what schools to fit their group... you are nuts. What I am saying is basically public knowledge and understood throughout. It is the reason York would LOVE to be in a different conference but the reason I hear all of the time why they can't join where they wan (Landmark).

And it isn't just about tuition... it's also about admissions standards, academic goals, etc. I'm not saying Hood, Goucher, Moravian, and Albright seem that different on paper... but they may be different in the eyes of those running the schools. Also, I'd leave Albright out of the conversation based strictly on the fact they have football LOL.

And I know you weren't saying DVU should be in the Landmark... I was just using them as an example since they were brought up in the recent conversations.

And why would you say the Landmark is the NEWMAC... interesting comparison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 29, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2015, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: kate on May 28, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
Kind of a slippery slope here Dave.  Was unaware of differences between say Hood and Goucher, or even Moravian and Albright.  I'm sure there are more similarities, but I'm too lazy to research stats.  At any rate, thank you, as always, for your imput.

I don't think it's a slippery slope at all... if you don't think the schools, presidents, ADs, etc. know the differences in the schools on a much more basic level and understand what conferences are looking for what schools to fit their group... you are nuts. What I am saying is basically public knowledge and understood throughout. It is the reason York would LOVE to be in a different conference but the reason I hear all of the time why they can't join where they wan (Landmark).

And it isn't just about tuition... it's also about admissions standards, academic goals, etc. I'm not saying Hood, Goucher, Moravian, and Albright seem that different on paper... but they may be different in the eyes of those running the schools. Also, I'd leave Albright out of the conversation based strictly on the fact they have football LOL.

And I know you weren't saying DVU should be in the Landmark... I was just using them as an example since they were brought up in the recent conversations.

And why would you say the Landmark is the NEWMAC... interesting comparison.

Kate probably meant "new MAC".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 29, 2015, 01:07:38 PM
You're right, Ronk - that's exactly what I meant.  Just so you guys know, I love and appreciate d3 sports.  I would never demean them in any way, but that said, I see a ton of our East Coast schools scrambling for students, and it would take more than a sports league to set many of them apart, although they certainly all have their attributes.  Said it once, I'm saying it again - I genuinely hope that the MAC remains diverse!  Now that our five, make that six old MAC schools have jumped ship, it does make for more hype and competition when we play them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 01, 2015, 11:51:50 AM
To be honest... the diversity is what is causing problems in the MAC. It is also causing strife between MAC schools and it is causing schools to think about going elsewhere. Diversity is a nice thing on paper, but it is the reason the Landmark was created because schools were tired of the diversity in their old conferences and the problems from recruiting to admissions to competition to conference business matters. The problems, concerns, and comments I have been hearing in the MAC for the past few years... are based on its diversity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 01, 2015, 01:15:07 PM
And everything's hunky dory now that everyone's like-minded?  No matter how difficult diversity may be, I would go to my end believing that it's worth it, not just in sports.  I surely hope the powers that be in the MAC realize this and can come together, especially in regard to athletics.
As always, Dave, thanks for your comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 01, 2015, 03:12:54 PM
I certainly never said things are hunky-dory in the like-minded world... but usually its the one that is the outlier.

In the Landmark Conference... that has always been Merchant Marine. They were actually the school added at the last minute to replace Stevens who also at the last minute decided they didn't want to change course and leave their current situation for the Landmark - a fib they were quickly exposed by when they announced 24 hours later they were joining the Empire 8. USMMA wasn't quite the right fit considering their class schedules and the new travel requirements the Landmark was going to cause. They are the chief reason the schedules have been altered multiple times in the conference - none of which I have thought were good decisions (the other main complain in basketball was playing back-to-back games - but don't get me started on why that is a hollow complaint that is rather short-sighted while ignoring proof to the contrary).

I do believe there are good things with diversity and you can have diversity with like-minded institutions. There really isn't a lot similar with The Catholic University of America and Goucher College, but they have been together for a long time in two different conferences. Drew and Scranton aren't exactly similar, but they are like-minded. There is still diversity, but with a similar plan both with athletics and academics.

I think the MAC is trying to come together... but, I dare say, I think it needs new leadership and it needs to put some of the bickering and made-up bad-blood aside and move forward.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 01, 2015, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 01, 2015, 03:12:54 PM
I certainly never said things are hunky-dory in the like-minded world... but usually its the one that is the outlier.

In the Landmark Conference... that has always been Merchant Marine. They were actually the school added at the last minute to replace Stevens who also at the last minute decided they didn't want to change course and leave their current situation for the Landmark - a fib they were quickly exposed by when they announced 24 hours later they were joining the Empire 8. USMMA wasn't quite the right fit considering their class schedules and the new travel requirements the Landmark was going to cause. They are the chief reason the schedules have been altered multiple times in the conference - none of which I have thought were good decisions (the other main complain in basketball was playing back-to-back games - but don't get me started on why that is a hollow complaint that is rather short-sighted while ignoring proof to the contrary).

I do believe there are good things with diversity and you can have diversity with like-minded institutions. There really isn't a lot similar with The Catholic University of America and Goucher College, but they have been together for a long time in two different conferences. Drew and Scranton aren't exactly similar, but they are like-minded. There is still diversity, but with a similar plan both with athletics and academics.

I think the MAC is trying to come together... but, I dare say, I think it needs new leadership and it needs to put some of the bickering and made-up bad-blood aside and move forward.

Dave,
     MMA was an original Landmark member;  the replacement of Stevens was by Scranton over E-town.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 01, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
 Just looking at next year's Landmark bball schedule(year 2 of the 18-year schedule-so much for Plan A now that MMA is leaving)

Doubleheaders on weekends-men play first
Opposite site games for midweek
travel time(1 way for Scranton's 4 midweek opponents: 7 hours 19 mins
                                 Catholic                                          9           35
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 05, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Joe Mihalich has gone on to become Assistant Coach at UPENN. Scranton has hired two backfills:

Carl Danzig, head men's basketball coach at The University of Scranton, has announced the appointment of Ryan Van Zelst and Brian Coyle as assistant coaches.

Van Zelst spent last season as an assistant at his alma mater, Albright College in Reading, Pennsylvania, after serving as an assistant coach at York College (Pa.) from June 2012 through August 2014.

His primary responsibilities at both Albright and York College over the past three seasons were recruiting, scouting, preparing individual workouts, tape exchange and video editing, and serving as position coach for the guards and wing players.  He also served as assistant director of Albright College Skill Development Clinics last summer and as assistant director at the York College Boys' Day Camp in the summers of 2013 and 2014.

In addition, Van Zelst coached at the Hoop Group Elite Basketball Camp the past three summers, was a staff member of the Hoop Group Bob Hurley Pocono Skills Basketball Camp in 2012 and 2013, and has also worked camps at Berks Catholic High School (2013) and Rider University (2012).

A 2011 graduate of Albright with a Bachelor of Science degree in business administration with a management track, Van Zelst played three seasons on the Lions' men's basketball team and was a member of the 2010 team that captured the Commonwealth Conference championship and advanced to the NCAA tournament.  He is also a graduate of Conwell-Egan Catholic High School, where he was a captain of the 2006 boys' basketball team and three-year starter. 

Coyle joins the Royal coaching staff after spending last season as an assistant men's basketball coach at Lackawanna College and the previous three years at Marywood University, where his major responsibilities were scouting, recruiting, game preparatory, and community relations.  He also picked up valuable experience as an assistant varsity and head junior varsity coach of the boys' basketball program at Bishop McDevitt High School in Harrisburg, leading the junior varsity program to a 44-18 record (.709) over a three-year period and helping the varsity program reach the state tournament in 2010, its first postseason berth in 16 years.

A 1999 graduate of then Bishop Hannan High School in Scranton, Coyle played collegiately at Misericordia University for four years and was a member of the 2003 team that won a then school record 16 games.  He is still sixth all-time in Cougars' history with 271 career assists.  He holds a degree in business administration with a minor in human resources from Misericordia. 

At Bishop Hannan, Coyle was a member of the 1999 team that won the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association (PIAA) District II title and advanced to the championship game of the state tournament in Class A.  He earned All-Lackawanna League and regional all-star honors his senior year.

The Royals are coming off a 23-6 season that included its second straight and sixth Landmark Conference championship in the league's eight-year history.  Danzig will enter his 15th season as head coach next winter with an overall record of 268-116 (.698).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 25, 2015, 04:35:19 PM
 Ursinus and Stevens Tech said to be the other 2 teams in the Royals' tipoff tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on September 30, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
I noticed Sean Cummings is no longer on the team!I What happened he was a good player!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 30, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: San Juan on September 30, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
I noticed Sean Cummings is no longer on the team!I What happened he was a good player!

At this point, I don't know; he had the ability to be a starter this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on October 01, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
Word has it that Sean Cummings transferred to another school. I'm not sure why, or what school, or if he's playing ball there. He was nice player; sorry to see him go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on October 01, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Thanks that is what I heard.I know ever since the  coaches other son (Ethan ) came aboard Sean got less playing time.Great athletic skills for 6-3 he could jump and score.It seems like every year Danzig loses players and they are pretty good players that he recruited.Lot of Royal fans will be disappointed to see Sean not there but good luck were ever you go .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 02, 2015, 10:09:41 AM
Welcome to some new blood on the board!...looks like the moved up the Cross County Challenge to November from early January. Would still like it to be the first weekend of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 23, 2015, 10:01:05 PM
As usual, Scranton gets no love from D3 regarding the men's poll.
I guess it doesn't  matter that the Royals have defeated Catholic 711 times out of the last 712 games dating back to the 1791/1792 season, somehow the Cards are now the # 6 team in the country.
I think Danzig needs to start bringing in more than 3 kids a year & maybe not losing one of his better kids each year via transfer might also help.
Far more excitement on campus over the women's team than the mens...not sure how well this will sit with Dave as we move forward.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
Saratoga... Scranton lost Ross Danzig and Justin Klingman from a team that underperformed last year... and then Cummings transfers (as you noted). Catholic returns EVERYONE. Maybe number six is too high (though, that's where I have them - my blog will be published later today), but if you noticed from the story about the poll, voters are all over the place with everyone but essentially number one (one voter didn't even vote for them, another seven of them had then 16th or worse).

I am not about to vote for Scranton who besides having Boken back... doesn't really bring anything back to the table that impresses voters. And nothing against Boken, but I was surprised by how inconsistent he was last year (and how inconsistent the team was getting him the ball).

Scranton is consistently good, but they have not been consistently a factor for a number of years. They got past the first round of the NCAA tournament last year for only the second time in the last ten seasons - seven of which had NCAA berths! The Landmark conference has been disappointingly average in men's basketball pretty much since it was founded with just Scranton and Catholic really being year in and year out contenders. Scranton has to do more than consistently win 19+ games against an okay conference and a mixed-bag out of conference schedule. Catholic tends to go out there and challenge themselves a bit more out of conference and again brings back the entire squad from a team that has made the second round two since the last three seasons (and could have gone further in '13 if the committee didn't put them up against Williams in the second round - should have been an easier opponent for both teams).

Again... Catholic may be too high, but I can't give any love to a Scranton squad that never lives up to the hype.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 24, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
Saratoga... Scranton lost Ross Danzig and Justin Klingman from a team that underperformed last year... and then Cummings transfers (as you noted). Catholic returns EVERYONE. Maybe number six is too high (though, that's where I have them - my blog will be published later today), but if you noticed from the story about the poll, voters are all over the place with everyone but essentially number one (one voter didn't even vote for them, another seven of them had then 16th or worse).

I am not about to vote for Scranton who besides having Boken back... doesn't really bring anything back to the table that impresses voters. And nothing against Boken, but I was surprised by how inconsistent he was last year (and how inconsistent the team was getting him the ball).

Scranton is consistently good, but they have not been consistently a factor for a number of years. They got past the first round of the NCAA tournament last year for only the second time in the last ten seasons - seven of which had NCAA berths! The Landmark conference has been disappointingly average in men's basketball pretty much since it was founded with just Scranton and Catholic really being year in and year out contenders. Scranton has to do more than consistently win 19+ games against an okay conference and a mixed-bag out of conference schedule. Catholic tends to go out there and challenge themselves a bit more out of conference and again brings back the entire squad from a team that has made the second round two since the last three seasons (and could have gone further in '13 if the committee didn't put them up against Williams in the second round - should have been an easier opponent for both teams).

Again... Catholic may be too high, but I can't give any love to a Scranton squad that never lives up to the hype.

This is laughable. Scranton beat catholic for the landmark title last year. Cummings scored 50 career points so let not get crazy. Scranton fans are used to the disrespect so no sunrises here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 24, 2015, 08:28:21 PM
D-mac:
Most of what you stated in paragraph 3 is what most people that follow Royal basketball have been saying for Danzig's entire tenure...so nothing new there.
Please explain though how Scranton "underperformed", last year?
They beat Catholic in Washington to win the Landmark after Catholic was thought to "possibly" go undefeated in conference play last season.
They then won a first round NCAA game in Babson & lost in the second round to the host that plays on a court most CYO leagues wouldn't sanction.
So where exactly was that team supposed to go?
You didn't give them a snowballs chance in hell to win the Landmark yet they did...so are you now saying you expected them to win at Babson even though Babson was like 8th. in the country & the Royals were, as usual. unranked?

Where my issue comes from is this sudden love for a Catholic team that was already better than Scranton last year but still couldn't win at home for the title.
Yes, they return a talented crew & they'll be good, but 6th. in the country???
Also, let's keep in mind that Danzig was hurt all year & rarely was able to be the player he was capable of being so many other kids picked up the slack.
Klingman was far better as a junior as there were games last year he couldn't buy a basket & he never played D.
So in reality, lets not place too high a premium on these two departures.
Still a team game & Catholic has yet to take 2 games in a season from Scranton since the Jefferson Administration.
The Landmark Championship still must go through the Electric City.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2015, 12:46:33 AM
In the preseason, voters love good teams who return a lot of good players. There are so few of those this season, so the voters definitely latched on.

Babson has a perfectly legitimate court. I was there the second weekend. It's fine. Just old. You have plenty of good points -- this just isn't one of them. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 25, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 24, 2015, 08:28:21 PM
D-mac:
Most of what you stated in paragraph 3 is what most people that follow Royal basketball have been saying for Danzig's entire tenure...so nothing new there.
Please explain though how Scranton "underperformed", last year?
They beat Catholic in Washington to win the Landmark after Catholic was thought to "possibly" go undefeated in conference play last season.
They then won a first round NCAA game in Babson & lost in the second round to the host that plays on a court most CYO leagues wouldn't sanction.
So where exactly was that team supposed to go?
You didn't give them a snowballs chance in hell to win the Landmark yet they did...so are you now saying you expected them to win at Babson even though Babson was like 8th. in the country & the Royals were, as usual. unranked?

Where my issue comes from is this sudden love for a Catholic team that was already better than Scranton last year but still couldn't win at home for the title.
Yes, they return a talented crew & they'll be good, but 6th. in the country???
Also, let's keep in mind that Danzig was hurt all year & rarely was able to be the player he was capable of being so many other kids picked up the slack.
Klingman was far better as a junior as there were games last year he couldn't buy a basket & he never played D.
So in reality, lets not place too high a premium on these two departures.
Still a team game & Catholic has yet to take 2 games in a season from Scranton since the Jefferson Administration.
The Landmark Championship still must go through the Electric City.

Personally, I just expect more from Scranton for a program that consistently wins 19+ games and whose fans think is one of the best in the country (not necessarily you, saratoga, generalization for argument here). I also expect more from a team that seems to struggle to win game to game and not dominate teams they should be dominating.

They lost to Husson in Vegas last year in a game that said a lot about Husson, but was very winnable for Scranton. They threw away chances left and right. They then struggled versus Hanover who had their moments but were essentially .500 for the season. They lost to an above-average, but okay Misericordia team in a very low scoring affair. They barely beat Goucher... who was very beatable (though granted, could have their moments like they did against Amherst). They got smoked by Susquehanna after barely beating them by two... and then finally got a big win in the third match-up. I feel they underperformed because if they were as good as many on here said they were and how they seemed on paper, they would have maybe beaten Husson, smoked Hanover, handled Goucher easily every time, never lost to Misericordia or Susquehanna, etc. They also would not have been playing the Landmark title game AT Catholic.

I don't consider their NCAA tournament performance as underperforming, but I also not get excited about a win over Baruch. They lost to a darn good Babson squad at their place, but if Scranton had been more consistent during the season they wouldn't have been playing Baruch in the second round, they might have been at home with easier competition - that would have resulted in probably playing in the second weekend for only the second time in recent memory. (Let's also keep in mind that if Scranton had NOT beaten Catholic in the title game, they might not have been in the NCAA tournament.)

Scranton is always touted as being a good and dangerous team, but they don't live up to the hype and that frustrates me. I can understand why some Scranton faithful are frustrated and I guess I have read too much into what those close to the program think and have been disappointed when I don't see it. Furthermore, I have seen this team more times than I can count off the top of my head and can't figure out how they can't seem to put it together in a region I think has been ripe for the taking for YEARS.

Before I leave the topic of Scranton - I mention Cummings because in the Top 25 information I was given on the team, it was noted he had left the team. If he wasn't in any way a person worth noting, that information most likely wouldn't have been shared. Heck, other teams being considered didn't mention far more recognizable names not being available for their teams for varying reasons. So the fact it was mentioned and not discarded caused me to take note. He might not have put up a ton of points, but it seems he was an important part of the team or was expected to be important moving forward.

As for the sudden love for Catholic - I know I have them number six and I feel uneasy about it... but as Pat noted many other voters take stock in teams that bring back everyone. Think about this: two Top 25 voters put Amherst number one on their ballots. Amherst wasn't in the Top 25 at the end of last season. They returned a lot and two voters have bought all in. With that in mind, not surprising Catholic is getting some love.

Another thing to consider: things are WIDE open these days in men's basketball. My blog, which will come out tomorrow (just haven't gotten it done as quickly as I expected), will talk about the parity how I see it. After number one (for me and 22 others), I can't wrap my mind around any other team with any solid conviction. Parity has become deeper and deeper in the last few years. This is yet another incredibly wide open year - more than any other year I have ever seen including last year when it was insane. So voters like the fact a team is bringing back that much experience. I also like how they have a very challenging schedule. Should they fail under that schedule, then the voters will bolt like cockroaches when the lights come on. Scranton goes and proves they can play consistent basketball... they will get their chance in the Top 25. There are a TON of teams who people could argue deserve to be in the Top 25 - which is just 5-6% of Division III.

By the way... I'm just one voter, one person. People don't have to agree with my opinions and I don't expect you to, but don't believe for a moment my opinions are the only ones out there. I learn things new each and every day from different people I talk to who have different points of view, from games I see online and in person, and from talking to coaches. My opinion could change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2015, 06:42:30 AM

Scranton played 20-30th place basketball last year.  They're bringing back a team, let's say 90% as good (sine Danzig was hurt most of the year) - why would they be any higher than 20-30th place?

Sure, there's an argument to be made that a lot of these teams lost players and it's all a guessing game - I'm just not sure what evidence exists that would make voters really believe Scranton is any more capable of taking advantage of returning players than anyone else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2015, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 26, 2015, 06:42:30 AM

Scranton played 20-30th place basketball last year.  They're bringing back a team, let's say 90% as good (sine Danzig was hurt most of the year) - why would they be any higher than 20-30th place?

Sure, there's an argument to be made that a lot of these teams lost players and it's all a guessing game - I'm just not sure what evidence exists that would make voters really believe Scranton is any more capable of taking advantage of returning players than anyone else.

Fair enough, but I think some have issues with the gap b/w Catholic and Scranton in the poll. That being said, go out and play the games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2015, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2015, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 26, 2015, 06:42:30 AM

Scranton played 20-30th place basketball last year.  They're bringing back a team, let's say 90% as good (sine Danzig was hurt most of the year) - why would they be any higher than 20-30th place?

Sure, there's an argument to be made that a lot of these teams lost players and it's all a guessing game - I'm just not sure what evidence exists that would make voters really believe Scranton is any more capable of taking advantage of returning players than anyone else.

Fair enough, but I think some have issues with the gap b/w Catholic and Scranton in the poll. That being said, go out and play the games.

Yeah, the teams that brought everyone back moved to the top of the poll, seemingly, whether they deserved it or not.  I will say, if most voters' opinion of Catholic was formed in the tournament (which it probably was), that's going to be a pretty positive impression.  They played well and bringing everyone back is confidence-building.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2015, 11:41:58 PM
 List of nonconference opponents for the Landmark this season; additional ones will depend upon results of tourney 1st round games: Case Western, F&M, Stony Brook, Ithaca, NYU, Hobart, St. Vincent, Trinity(CT), Dickinson, Johns Hopkins.
Landmark outlook: Last season Catholic & Scranton lost only 1 conference game  between them to the other teams. I see more of the same this season with a 7-way battle for the other 2 playoff spots. I'd favor Drew and MMA for those spots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
ronk - is this just a sampling? There are a several games for Goucher (since I know their's off the top of my head for obvious reasons) you have left off: Stevenson, Navy, Mt. Aloysius, Hood, Lynchburg, and Gallaudet just for the Gophers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2015, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
ronk - is this just a sampling? There are a several games for Goucher (since I know their's off the top of my head for obvious reasons) you have left off: Stevenson, Navy, Mt. Aloysius, Hood, Lynchburg, and Gallaudet just for the Gophers.

Just the stronger opponents - I should have included Navy, and I left out the MAC schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 27, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Why leave out the MAC opponents? That conference is deeper than the Landmark.

And why leave out Lynchburg? They have been in the mix for the ODAC for several years now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 27, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Why leave out the MAC opponents? That conference is deeper than the Landmark.

And why leave out Lynchburg? They have been in the mix for the ODAC for several years now.

The MAC didn't win an NCAA game last year and Lynchburg wasn't in the tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
Sure... but I don't think that means they should be discounted. The MAC is a strong conference and Stevenson was picked by the coaches to finish first this year (as they were last year)... and Lynchburg is in the upper third of the ODAC which says a lot about them.

For reference, you picked out NYU who didn't make the tournament and usually is in the middle of the UAA, Case Western who tends to be in the bottom of the UAA, Hobart who also didn't make the NCAA tournament, and St. Vincent who lost in the NCAA first round. Those are four teams you referenced who have the same qualifications you dismissed from the ones I suggested. My point being... why not include the others?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2015, 02:13:20 PM
Dave -- honestly, because they play Goucher and who cares until Goucher itself is competitive? :) I think this is the real answer even if nobody wants to say it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 02:35:23 PM
Thanks for that, Pat. Not my point, I just chose the schedule I knew off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
Sure... but I don't think that means they should be discounted. The MAC is a strong conference and Stevenson was picked by the coaches to finish first this year (as they were last year)... and Lynchburg is in the upper third of the ODAC which says a lot about them.

For reference, you picked out NYU who didn't make the tournament and usually is in the middle of the UAA, Case Western who tends to be in the bottom of the UAA, Hobart who also didn't make the NCAA tournament, and St. Vincent who lost in the NCAA first round. Those are four teams you referenced who have the same qualifications you dismissed from the ones I suggested. My point being... why not include the others?

Because I have insider SID data that leads me to include and exclude? ;); I included UAA teams because of the overall strength of the conference and Hobart who beat an under-performing Scranton team in the NCAA(2014); your points are valid - we'll include Stevenson; they'll also be playing Scranton on a neutral court and other teams in the Hoopsville so they'll be a bellweather for inter-conference competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
Well ronk, I think Lynchburg is in the same boat as the UAA schools - similar record to Case Western in a Top 5 conference.

But anyway... was that all of the non-conference opponents for all the schools? Just seems like there aren't a lot. Are a lot of teams playing the same teams? I haven't gone through all the schedules, yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2015, 04:13:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
Well ronk, I think Lynchburg is in the same boat as the UAA schools - similar record to Case Western in a Top 5 conference.

But anyway... was that all of the non-conference opponents for all the schools? Just seems like there aren't a lot. Are a lot of teams playing the same teams? I haven't gone through all the schedules, yet.

  No, that wasn't all of them, by a long shot. With 16 conference games that leaves 9 nonconference games for each team. Scranton is in 2 tourneys as are most teams where the 2nd opponent isn't known til the 1st game is played, e.g. Ursinus is in both a Scranton tourney and a Catholic tourney, but doesn't play either on the 1st night and conceivably, might not in the 2nd game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 28, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Much ado about nothing
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 04:49:29 PM
I'd disagree... a strong out of conference schedule by everyone will only serve to bolster SOS numbers. If you are in a weak conference who plays weak opponents, it is a death nail. Nice to see the Landmark may have some strong out of conference scheduling going on... we might not be talking about SOS numbers being low like we were last year... but obviously, that's to be decided.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 29, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Moravian held a scrimmage against Cabrini last night. Anybody see it? I couldn't get up there. I had this thing called work get in the way. :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2015, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: mailsy on October 29, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Moravian held a scrimmage against Cabrini last night. Anybody see it? I couldn't get up there. I had this thing called work get in the way. :-\


Not a lot of Moravian fans posting here Mailsy.

Scranton plays William Patterson tomorrow at 2 per twitter in NJ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 31, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2015, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: mailsy on October 29, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Moravian held a scrimmage against Cabrini last night. Anybody see it? I couldn't get up there. I had this thing called work get in the way. :-\


Not a lot of Moravian fans posting here Mailsy.

Scranton plays William Patterson tomorrow at 2 per twitter in NJ.
True. But there could always be at least one, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2015, 11:23:10 PM
 After losing in the NCAA 1st round to an underperforming Scranton squad, Baruch extended D1 Seton Hall on the road today before falling 84-79. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2015, 11:23:55 AM
I saw that!  I don't know how D1 teams treat the exhibition game, but nice showing for Baruch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2015, 08:20:20 AM
Observation in the Pre-Season poll, Catholic received all votes but 1. Goucher received the other vote, and since you can't vote for yourself , we all know where that vote came from. Taking nothing away from Goucher, but I thought it was a curious vote by Catholic Head Coach.

I can speculate all day, the coach didn't take it seriously, sour grapes over Scranton domination of the Landmark, or maybe Goucher landed a transfer from up the street at Towson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2015, 08:20:20 AM
Observation in the Pre-Season poll, Catholic received all votes but 1. Goucher received the other vote, and since you can't vote for yourself , we all know where that vote came from. Taking nothing away from Goucher, but I thought it was a curious vote by Catholic Head Coach.

I can speculate all day, the coach didn't take it seriously, sour grapes over Scranton domination of the Landmark, or maybe Goucher landed a transfer from up the street at Towson.

Well, perhaps it was strategic - if he thought that other schools might get #1 votes, he gave his to a team that wasn't going to challenge for #1 overall, thus making it more likely his squad would get it?

Maybe he just didn't want to insult anyone who might be a top contender, but didn't get the CUA #1 vote?  There's a lot of reasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 04:12:39 PM
Someone to keep an eye on this year: Mychal Stefanides. I realize I have seen him in some preseason exhibition stuff, but his shooting touch is one of the best Goucher has had since James Russo. And while it was just the alumni game last night... I was really impressed with his workman attitude. He might surprise some people.

And that is where I will end any expectations I have for the Gophers this year. They will be more competitive this season... I can already tell that. But, where they finish... who knows.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 09, 2015, 08:57:21 PM
NEPA:
Perhaps that tidbit from Dave explains Catholic's voting rational.  ::)

On another topic, I think I just heard Augustana knocked off Iowa at Iowa.

If true, I'm thinking the Royals may have their work cut out for them this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2015, 09:50:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 09, 2015, 08:57:21 PM
NEPA:
Perhaps that tidbit from Dave explains Catholic's voting rational.  ::)

On another topic, I think I just heard Augustana knocked off Iowa at Iowa.

If true, I'm thinking the Royals may have their work cut out for them this season.

Somebody(Pat Coleman?) said it was D2 Augustana, not D3 Augustana.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2015, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 09, 2015, 08:57:21 PM

On another topic, I think I just heard Augustana knocked off Iowa at Iowa.



That was the Division II Augustana, not ours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 10:20:30 AM
Yeah... Division II Augustana... both Augustana men's programs in the NCAA are preseason number one teams.

As for Scranton having their work cut out for them... when are they playing Augustana? Or is this reference to something completely different that is apparently lost on me?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2015, 10:34:01 AM
I don't think our Augustana could take down Iowa this year but I would like to have seen them against some other power conference teams. Since Augie beat Bradley in an exhibition last season, I'm sure they didn't find any D-III teams willing to play them this time around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2015, 03:24:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fpTE8KqUk4


Enjoy royal fans..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 01:55:16 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 15, 2015, 11:24:39 PM
Solid season-opening win for CUA on Saturday 75-64 over Neumann. Took about 10 minutes to open up a double-digit lead and kept it for most of the game, leading by as many as 18 early in the second half. As expected for a season opener, there were a few more turnovers than usual but most of those were a result of Neumann extending their pressure in the second half. Neumann, while not possessing any real height, has good athleticism and was a decent test. Pace of play definitely seemed faster for CUA than last season, but Neumann wanted to play in transition as much as possible so I'll have to wait and see if that was a product of the new rules or the opponent.

I'm glad the season is here and there are games to talk about.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Goucher is off to a 2-1 start with wins over RIT and Stevenson (tonight, 87-76) and a close loss to Carnegie-Mellon. Kevin Miles scored 33 against RIT (I think) and at least 31 against Stevenson. I was at the Stevenson game (not working!) and Miles' points were not usually forced; good shooting and smart takes.

I am not sure what to make of the Gophers. I knew Tom Rose, or any good coach for that matter, would find success with this group of players... but I will admit, I didn't see an 11-point win over Stevenson in the cards. They are most likely going to find some rough spots, but I am pretty impressed with what they have done so far. There are several players that are going to turn some heads... but we can talk about them in time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2015, 10:11:12 PM
Dave,
  Is my favorite Gopher(Troy DeShields) injured? He hasn't played this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2015, 10:13:41 PM
I think, I think it's an eligibility thing. Coach Rose said something to that affect at the alumni game (at the reception following), but I am completely blanking on what he specifically said. However, I did get a sense it was eligibility and he will be back at the close of the semester (or when he's cleared). That could make things even more interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2015, 10:45:30 PM
 The Royals were ragged tonight in defeating Ithaca 78-67, with 15 TOs, 15 allowed offensive rebounds, and 4-19 3-pt shots after making 27(40%) in their previous 2 games. Ithaca played 5 guards and could't stop Scranton's inside game with 51 points for Brendan Boken and John Vitkus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
The Royals are ragged.
Let's not forget, they haven't had a true point since Randy Arnold & as of last year, they were the worst offensive rebounding team in all of DIII.
Here's hoping that if player A can't buy a basket, the coach will try another option.
What a concept.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 17, 2015, 11:16:56 PM
Scranton gets revenge for last years loss in OT at Ithaca. Toga you don't like scrantons current point guards?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2015, 09:14:04 AM
Is Etown really that bad? I thought, before moving into the conference they had a tradition of good basketball. I saw they were hit hard by Lancaster Bible College..... They are really an unimpressive, vanilla program. It be nice to have some better teams and more parity in the league.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 19, 2015, 09:14:04 AM
Is Etown really that bad? I thought, before moving into the conference they had a tradition of good basketball. I saw they were hit hard by Lancaster Bible College..... They are really an unimpressive, vanilla program. It be nice to have some better teams and more parity in the league.

  The coach is a quality Xs & Os guy and they had a quality post player(Eckert) last season before being injured; it may be a temporary recruiting drought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
E-town didn't show much against F&M.  F&M lead 52-27 at the half and then just coasted in the second half.  The game went very quick. E-town didn't have any player that stood out.  They were scrappy the next night against Manhattanville.  Manhattanville had a 24 point lead at one point but E-town cut it to 3 late and ending up losing by about 8.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 19, 2015, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 19, 2015, 09:14:04 AM
Is Etown really that bad? I thought, before moving into the conference they had a tradition of good basketball. I saw they were hit hard by Lancaster Bible College..... They are really an unimpressive, vanilla program. It be nice to have some better teams and more parity in the league.

They got off to a decent start last year in conference play before they lost their center to injury and lost their final 7 games. Losing at least 4 starters from last year might explain some of their struggles early on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:26:36 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on November 22, 2015, 06:04:38 PM
Scranton men lose at home to a very well coached and very young team.As a Royal fan I see a weakness at the guard play will not say a name I will let you figure it out!Boken shows up every night that kid is a very good player,Vitkus really improved good moves for a big man,Thomas is Marcus plays hard every game,Doolan nice guard that can shot and plays defense Scranton has a really nice team but there is a weakness called (nepotism on this team so I start scratching my head and thinking maybe that is the reason Sean Cummings left just a thought.)Some nice freshman and a very good transfer in Mitch Cross so hopefully there will be a change at that guard spot but I doubt it!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 24, 2015, 09:49:41 PM
Further proof tonight that preseason rankings aren't worth the paper they're printed on. CUA loses for the second game in a row, leaving them at 2-2, with challenging games ahead. They get the benefit of the doubt for losing 92-90 at Marietta on Saturday night. Marietta is a good team and the type of team CUA doesn't usually play. No benefit of the doubt tonight as CUA loses 74-72 at Washington and Lee. A lifeless performance from the opening tip in a game they should have won easily. Maybe they were drained from all the travel over the past few days, in which case that's a failure of the coaching staff and poor scheduling.

Not time to panic yet, but definitely some troubling signs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
San Juan very subtle. Very subtle.

Scranton is busy this holiday weekend with Kings and Wilkes, again I keep saying make this your tip off tournament and actually have some people in the building. Horrible scheduling...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 25, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
 I remember in the pre-Landmark days that the Scranton @ Catholic game was held on Thanksgiving weekend with about 50 in attendance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
Those were awful. Looked like a lot of listless games last night, and honestly, that seems par for the course for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2015, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 25, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
I remember in the pre-Landmark days that the Scranton @ Catholic game was held on Thanksgiving weekend with about 50 in attendance.

I remember those with Scranton typically on the short end. I would have to refresh d3hoops for scoring updates
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 25, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2015, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 25, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
I remember in the pre-Landmark days that the Scranton @ Catholic game was held on Thanksgiving weekend with about 50 in attendance.

I remember those with Scranton typically on the short end. I would have to refresh d3hoops for scoring updates

  There were 6 of those Scranton @ Catholic Thanksgiving weekend games; Scranton won the 1st('93), Catholic the final 5 wth 2 OT games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
any live video of the cross county challenge this weekend?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2015, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
any live video of the cross county challenge this weekend?

Marywood has had a quality videostream in the past; don't know if they'll be doing the non-Marywood games of the challenge; try asking the SID on the staff directory page of athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2015, 09:59:28 AM
Rankings as of 30 November

1) Susquehanna (ORV IN TOP 25)
2) Catholic (#21 IN TOP 25)
3) Goucher
4) Scranton (ORV IN TOP 25)
5) Juniata ( undefeated)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 30, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
Another uneven performance from CUA yesterday saw them hold off Wesley 94-92. Bryson Fonville hit a jumper with 0.8 seconds left to win it.

The positives start with CUA finally getting some luck to go their way in their third straight two-point game. Jay Howard continued his impressive start to the season, scoring at least 23 in every game so far.

The negatives start with the Cardinal defense being atrocious yet again. Wesley shot 68% in the first half. This was a game where the second half felt more like a scrimmage, with both teams allowing the other to work through their offense with only token resistance. The other major negative is that CUA led 90-78 with 2:40 left in the game and managed to let Wesley tie the game at 92. In that 2 minute stretch CUA turned the ball over 5 times and seemed to completely shut off, thinking the game was over.

All in all, a win is a win. Wednesday night at Susquehanna should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2015, 06:01:44 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on November 30, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
Another uneven performance from CUA yesterday saw them hold off Wesley 94-92. Bryson Fonville hit a jumper with 0.8 seconds left to win it.

The positives start with CUA finally getting some luck to go their way in their third straight two-point game. Jay Howard continued his impressive start to the season, scoring at least 23 in every game so far.

The negatives start with the Cardinal defense being atrocious yet again. Wesley shot 68% in the first half. This was a game where the second half felt more like a scrimmage, with both teams allowing the other to work through their offense with only token resistance. The other major negative is that CUA led 90-78 with 2:40 left in the game and managed to let Wesley tie the game at 92. In that 2 minute stretch CUA turned the ball over 5 times and seemed to completely shut off, thinking the game was over.

All in all, a win is a win. Wednesday night at Susquehanna should be very interesting.

  With Scranton not playing Wednesday, it reminds me that there's somebody with a bye in the Landmark every Wed/Sat of conference play; I was thinking that play begins on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 02, 2015, 10:25:37 PM
All credit to Susquehanna tonight as they outclassed CUA in every category, winning 87-81 in a game that wasn't that close, leading by as many as 24 in the second half. Susquehanna was better tonight and truthfully they are the better team overall at this point.

Yet another game for CUA where defense was optional. This was a total system failure by everyone involved for CUA tonight. There was seemingly no offensive or defensive game plan. Jay Howard, coming into this game averaging 25 points a game, played 38 minutes and took 9 shots.

Six games in, there's enough of a sample size for their to be genuine concern as to what is going on with this team. A haphazard substitution pattern that doesn't allow any bench player to get into the flow of the game. One game a bench player with play 15 minutes, another night he'll play 2 or 3. Two of the bench players are now upperclassmen and they haven't been put in situations where they can succeed since they never know who much they will play.

The formula has been the same since the start of last season: the same starting five for the last 30 games or so. The formula is no longer working. It may now be time to start benching people who won't defend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2015, 06:32:01 PM
 Juniata plays good defense in first half holding Scranton to 21 points and Boken to 2 while causing 9 TOs(mostly well-defended entry passes). Marcus Lee looks like the All-American with 15 points. Royals miss 2 chances to tie in final seconds; I like the ball in Kevin Doolan's hands in crunch time; I'm betting he's going to make good decisions more often than not.
  Susquehanna comes from behind(-4) with 2:43 left as Merchant Marine lets one get away @ home by missing last 7 shots.
  That's it for conference games until Jan 2 except for MM schedule-accommodation games next weekend against E-town and Scranton.
  Susquehanna has a tester against NESCAC Trinity(CT) in the Kings tourney Friday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Both the men & women are home next Sunday vs. MMA.
Guarantee the women outdraw the men.
So far, Danzig's freshman class (2 players), have yet to play beyond a few garbage minutes.
Not boding well for the next several years of Royal mens basketball that's for sure.
He might just want to start recruiting one of these years instead of waiting for the Tom Bicknell's & Brenden Boken's of the world to arrive unannounced & unrecruited.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 06, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
Nice bounce-back effort from CUA yesterday downing Moravian 96-79. CUA made a change to their starting five, going with three guards instead of another big. I don't know if that was specific for yesterday to counter Moravian's full-court pressure, but it worked. CUA kept things simple and kept the ball in the hands of their best players, with Jay Howard and Bryson Fonville scoring 25 and 28 respectively.

Moravian has a young team and a couple of their freshmen, Oneil Holder, Jake McGee, and Jimmy Murray, seem like they could be pretty good. Coach Potts has brought a distinctive style with him, full-court pressure and lots of 3's. If they can figure out a way to consistently keep up their pressure without fouling they should force a lot of turnovers. They have been sending all of their opponents to the FT line a lot so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Both the men & women are home next Sunday vs. MMA.
Guarantee the women outdraw the men.
So far, Danzig's freshman class (2 players), have yet to play beyond a few garbage minutes.
Not boding well for the next several years of Royal mens basketball that's for sure.
He might just want to start recruiting one of these years instead of waiting for the Tom Bicknell's & Brenden Boken's of the world to arrive unannounced & unrecruited.

Or have more boys. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2015, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Both the men & women are home next Sunday vs. MMA.
Guarantee the women outdraw the men.
So far, Danzig's freshman class (2 players), have yet to play beyond a few garbage minutes.
Not boding well for the next several years of Royal mens basketball that's for sure.
He might just want to start recruiting one of these years instead of waiting for the Tom Bicknell's & Brenden Boken's of the world to arrive unannounced & unrecruited.

Or have more boys. ;D

Yes, at this point the Royals need 1 or 2 more scoring threats and seems ripe for a player like Sean Cummings who can take the ball to the basket and score. A shame he left the program. Not sure why the Freshman get no looks at all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2015, 01:46:37 PM
Stole this from another board...


And let's see D3 vs non conference D3:

1   UAA      38   14   0.731
2   NESCAC      40   19   0.678
3   LEC      31   16   0.660
4   MIAC      27   14   0.659
5   Landmark      27   16   0.628
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on December 07, 2015, 10:26:24 PM
Yes very subtle Nepafan.Proof again Danzig boy plays another 35 minutes against Juniata and gives you absolutely nothing but he still starts every game maybe 2 rebounds but wow.Marcus had a bad game he sat his ass most of the 2nd half god forbid Carl sits his kid!Enough is enough
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2015, 12:51:40 AM
 4 Landmark teams(Susque, Scranton, Catholic, Juniata) getting votes in latest poll; didn't include Drew who's undefeated in conference play. Catholic wins easily tonight against a decent team(St. Vincent).
  Susque plays #15 Trinity(CT) Friday on a neutral court.
  When the full conference schedule resumes Jan 2, the teams will play 4 games in 8 days; 4 teams will have a bye during this stretch but one of those(Juniata) will play a non-conference game on its bye date. It will be a rough physical period but Scranton, at least, will be on intersession.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2015, 07:52:40 PM

The last Around the Region column before the new year features Susquehanna.  http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/susquehanna-fast-start
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2015, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2015, 07:52:40 PM

The last Around the Region column before the new year features Susquehanna.  http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/susquehanna-fast-start

In a discussion of the strength of the conference this season, Susque coach Marcinek mentions Drew missing their best player. I knew he(Mike Klinger) was missing from the boxscores but thought maybe he had graduated. May indicate a 6-way battle for playoff spots when he returns.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2015, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2015, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2015, 07:52:40 PM

The last Around the Region column before the new year features Susquehanna.  http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/susquehanna-fast-start

In a discussion of the strength of the conference this season, Susque coach Marcinek mentions Drew missing their best player. I knew he(Mike Klinger) was missing from the boxscores but thought maybe he had graduated. May indicate a 6-way battle for playoff spots when he returns.

Last year there were only three teams that mattered; this year the conference will be at least six deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 09, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
Definitely good signs from Drew so far. Klinger has played a total of 16 minutes all season and they seem to be without two other starters from last year who were both listed as juniors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2015, 11:48:15 PM
Not that it is a major event or anything, but had to share the craziness at Goucher tonight...

Hood led the Gophers 32-15 with 5:30 left in the first half. By halftime it was 34-31 Hood. By the time 16 minutes more of basketball had been played since the 5:30 mark, Goucher had gone on a 43-11 run and I think extended it to 51-15 before Hood finally regathered themselves... finishing on a 23-12 (17-4) run, but the deficit was too much and the Gophers won 78-70. That allows the team to match their win total from last season (4).

The game wasn't the best officiated, but Hood was looking for calls all over the place and got sidetracked focusing on the calls and not the game. One of their players actually got a tech for hitting a shot where he thought he was fouled (maybe he was) and gave the ref his opinions.

Goucher is at least playing like a team. I haven't seen this kind of team mentality in a very long time. However, they have a mental block, I guess, when it comes to conference games. I will be interested to see how they overcome that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2015, 11:44:40 AM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 12, 2015, 12:39:29 AM
CUA finished up their pre-holiday schedule last night with a wire-to-wire win at Dickinson 81-71. Big games from Fonville (28 pts.) and Stanford (20 pts.) led the way. CUA had to navigate some tough minutes in the 2nd half while Fonville sat with 4 fouls and Dickinson cut the lead to 6 with almost 12 minutes to play, but they were able to steady themselves and eventually go on a game-clinching 13-0 run.

Since the loss to Susquehanna, the increased effort on the defensive end has been noticeable. Far from perfect, but things are looking much brighter than they were a week ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2015, 01:29:44 AM
 In addition to Catholic's win over Dickinson, Susque defeats #15 Trinity and Moravian also wins boosting Landmark's nonconference record to 5-1 this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 12, 2015, 08:16:54 AM
Should be another huge crowd at the Long Center Sunday to see the Royals play MMA...especially since finals end today & all the students will have left for home.
Not sure who does the Royals scheduling but NEPA is correct, it's horrible.
Any semblance of even a flicker of rivalry with Kings/Wilkes is obviously long gone as witnessed by the crowd of about 103 fans that watched those games held at Marywood when, you guessed it, all schools were on Thanksgiving break.
Then there are these wonderful start times of 3:00 & 5:00 for tournament games when the kids are on semester break.
Why are they not at 5 & 7 so people that work might be able to attend since the students aren't going to be there?
Also, whatever happened to 7:00 starts for Saturday games.
I think it should be pretty obvious to the Royal head coach that 2:00 start times draw about 1/3 of what they'd get for an evening game on the weekend.
if this is a Landmark conference policy, it's time to adjust.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 12, 2015, 08:16:54 AM
Should be another huge crowd at the Long Center Sunday to see the Royals play MMA...especially since finals end today & all the students will have left for home.
Not sure who does the Royals scheduling but NEPA is correct, it's horrible.
Any semblance of even a flicker of rivalry with Kings/Wilkes is obviously long gone as witnessed by the crowd of about 103 fans that watched those games held at Marywood when, you guessed it, all schools were on Thanksgiving break.
Then there are these wonderful start times of 3:00 & 5:00 for tournament games when the kids are on semester break.
Why are they not at 5 & 7 so people that work might be able to attend since the students aren't going to be there?
Also, whatever happened to 7:00 starts for Saturday games.
I think it should be pretty obvious to the Royal head coach that 2:00 start times draw about 1/3 of what they'd get for an evening game on the weekend.
if this is a Landmark conference policy, it's time to adjust.

Saratoga,
  This is an MMA scheduling-accommodation, not a Scranton choice. MMA needs to schedule travel games to minimize effects on classes and training so they're playing, for example, @ E-town & Scranton this weekend when nobody else in the Landmark is playing. This will disappear next season when they leave the Landmark.
  About the rest of your points - maybe Dave Martin will consider them for future scheduling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 12, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 12, 2015, 08:16:54 AM
Should be another huge crowd at the Long Center Sunday to see the Royals play MMA...especially since finals end today & all the students will have left for home.
Not sure who does the Royals scheduling but NEPA is correct, it's horrible.
Any semblance of even a flicker of rivalry with Kings/Wilkes is obviously long gone as witnessed by the crowd of about 103 fans that watched those games held at Marywood when, you guessed it, all schools were on Thanksgiving break.
Then there are these wonderful start times of 3:00 & 5:00 for tournament games when the kids are on semester break.
Why are they not at 5 & 7 so people that work might be able to attend since the students aren't going to be there?
Also, whatever happened to 7:00 starts for Saturday games.
I think it should be pretty obvious to the Royal head coach that 2:00 start times draw about 1/3 of what they'd get for an evening game on the weekend.
if this is a Landmark conference policy, it's time to adjust.

Saratoga,
  This is an MMA scheduling-accommodation, not a Scranton choice. MMA needs to schedule travel games to minimize effects on classes and training so they're playing, for example, @ E-town & Scranton this weekend when nobody else in the Landmark is playing. This will disappear next season when they leave the Landmark.
  About the rest of your points - maybe Dave Martin will consider them for future scheduling.


and too be fair, the cross-county challenge schedule is out of Scranton's hands. But this should be the premier event in NEPA and draw more than 150 fans on Thanksgiving weekend.

I saw that SU beat Trinity...they look like the early team to beat in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2015, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on December 12, 2015, 12:39:29 AM
CUA finished up their pre-holiday schedule last night with a wire-to-wire win at Dickinson 81-71. Big games from Fonville (28 pts.) and Stanford (20 pts.) led the way. CUA had to navigate some tough minutes in the 2nd half while Fonville sat with 4 fouls and Dickinson cut the lead to 6 with almost 12 minutes to play, but they were able to steady themselves and eventually go on a game-clinching 13-0 run.

Since the loss to Susquehanna, the increased effort on the defensive end has been noticeable. Far from perfect, but things are looking much brighter than they were a week ago.

When researching my Top 25 ballot last week, I made an amazing discovery: Going into the week, Catholic's defense was giving up more points per game than any team this century. They were averaging 76.1 ppg (now it's 75.6). I looked at the rest of just this century (the first break in the stats archives is the '98-'99 season) and found the closest the team came to that mark was '13-'14 when the defense average 72.3 ppg (interestingly a 14-12 season). No other season saw the defense give up points above 69.0. Over the course of the previous 16 seasons, Catholic defensively average giving up 65.0 ppg. So clearly... defense has not been stellar this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 13, 2015, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2015, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on December 12, 2015, 12:39:29 AM
CUA finished up their pre-holiday schedule last night with a wire-to-wire win at Dickinson 81-71. Big games from Fonville (28 pts.) and Stanford (20 pts.) led the way. CUA had to navigate some tough minutes in the 2nd half while Fonville sat with 4 fouls and Dickinson cut the lead to 6 with almost 12 minutes to play, but they were able to steady themselves and eventually go on a game-clinching 13-0 run.

Since the loss to Susquehanna, the increased effort on the defensive end has been noticeable. Far from perfect, but things are looking much brighter than they were a week ago.

When researching my Top 25 ballot last week, I made an amazing discovery: Going into the week, Catholic's defense was giving up more points per game than any team this century. They were averaging 76.1 ppg (now it's 75.6). I looked at the rest of just this century (the first break in the stats archives is the '98-'99 season) and found the closest the team came to that mark was '13-'14 when the defense average 72.3 ppg (interestingly a 14-12 season). No other season saw the defense give up points above 69.0. Over the course of the previous 16 seasons, Catholic defensively average giving up 65.0 ppg. So clearly... defense has not been stellar this season.

I did see your note on that in your ballot last week. I figured the team had turned a corner defensively last season. Last season wasn't "great" defensively, but was such an upgrade over '13-'14. The '13-'14 team was awful defensively from start to finish. Part of my theory would be that the distinct lack of height over the past 3 seasons has allowed teams to not have to worry about their shots being altered or blocked. 2pt FG defense hasn't been great any of those seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on December 13, 2015, 06:30:39 PM
I see Marcus didn't get the start but Ethan Danzig 35 minutes 3 points still starts!!Unreal
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: San Juan on December 13, 2015, 06:30:39 PM
I see Marcus didn't get the start but Ethan Danzig 35 minutes 3 points still starts!!Unreal

Meanwhile Woodruff has the women 8-0....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
NEPA:
Trevor is doing this with a few good players, a lot of smoke & mirrors & some serious & quality coaching.
There is no way this team would be undefeated under the previous regime.
They'll have some losses along the way but the difference in how this group is playing as a team from their first game to where there are right now is astounding.
Give him a few years to recruit & they will be making many deep runs into the tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 17, 2015, 10:33:04 AM
Trevor is smarter than he looks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
  The Royals start a brutal stretch of 6 games in 11 days after a 7 1/2 hr bus trip with Stevenson today in the Christopher Newport holiday tourney, including 2 other trips to Drew and Goucher(3 1/2 hours). They will be playing ranked Susque in that stretch and, possibly CNU, tomorrow. Hoping they'll go 5-1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2015, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 29, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
  The Royals start a brutal stretch of 6 games in 11 days after a 7 1/2 hr bus trip with Stevenson today in the Christopher Newport holiday tourney, including 2 other trips to Drew and Goucher(3 1/2 hours). They will be playing ranked Susque in that stretch and, possibly CNU, tomorrow. Hoping they'll go 5-1.

Hey Ronk:

Did you see they have a layover at the University of Maryland and practiced on Terps court?

I'd sign up for 5-1 too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2015, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2015, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 29, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
  The Royals start a brutal stretch of 6 games in 11 days after a 7 1/2 hr bus trip with Stevenson today in the Christopher Newport holiday tourney, including 2 other trips to Drew and Goucher(3 1/2 hours). They will be playing ranked Susque in that stretch and, possibly CNU, tomorrow. Hoping they'll go 5-1.

Hey Ronk:

Did you see they have a layover at the University of Maryland and practiced on Terps court?

I'd sign up for 5-1 too.

  I didn't see that- I have a bball friend who covers the Terps for the Balt Sun and talked with him yesterday morn at our pickup games but he didn't mention that the Royals were coming that day. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 29, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
If 5-1 has even a slight chance of happening, then the Royals need to start getting some production from their backcourt & wings.
With the exception of their post players (Boken & Co.), & shooting guard forced to play point KD, they are way too predictable & for the most part, one dimensional.
Other starters need to improve their games or give the opportunity to someone else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2015, 02:03:16 PM
It was on the Basketball twitter account , with a picture Ronk. Begging , pleading for someone to step up Saratoga. I think they key players force it sometimes and could really use some instant offense off the bench.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2015, 06:13:57 PM
 Neither team is playing defense; only turnovers kept both teams from a 50-point half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
 Well, game 1 is in the bag, once they defended Erik Fisher and made some 3s. Championship tomorrow will be much tougher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2015, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 29, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Well, game 1 is in the bag, once they defended Erik Fisher and made some 3s. Championship tomorrow will be much tougher.

Boken and Vitkus just call em the twin towers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 29, 2015, 11:00:56 PM
CUA wins the opener of their annual holiday tournament 71-42 against Waynesburg. Really nothing to learn from this game other than it seems like it will be a very long season for Waynesburg. Championship tomorrow against Williams should be a whole different story. CUA will have to bring some serious perimeter D if they want to win. Williams hit 14 threes and scored 55 second-half points en route to turning a 10-point halftime deficit into a 13-point victory against Ursinus in the other game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Scranton beats#11 Christopher Newport 65-58. Boken in foul trouble and only scored 8. Video didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 07:49:57 PM
  Game 2 now in the bag for the Royals with a good effort against 10th-ranked CNU, despite foulouts for Boken and Vitkus. KD named MVP with a very good performance against quality defenders. A team win - many contributors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Scranton beats#11 Christopher Newport 65-58. Boken in foul trouble and only scored 8. Video didn't work for me.

I didn't have any problems; did you get the audio, at least?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 30, 2015, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Scranton beats#11 Christopher Newport 65-58. Boken in foul trouble and only scored 8. Video didn't work for me.

I didn't have any problems; did you get the audio, at least?

No was on my phone. Following on live stats maybe CNU will have it archived so I can watch later. The guy that was drilling 3s for CNU was off his game tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2015, 08:07:12 PM

Well, I guess Scranton has finally done enough to get ranked on Monday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 30, 2015, 08:07:12 PM

Well, I guess Scranton has finally done enough to get ranked on Monday.

  Dave McHugh needs a lot of convincing. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 30, 2015, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Scranton beats#11 Christopher Newport 65-58. Boken in foul trouble and only scored 8. Video didn't work for me.

I didn't have any problems; did you get the audio, at least?

No was on my phone. Following on live stats maybe CNU will have it archived so I can watch later. The guy that was drilling 3s for CNU was off his game tonight?

Reginbal was 4-4 thru early 2nd half, then went 1-7; Mcfarlan made a couple early then didn't get many attempts after.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
 Cards build double digit lead over Williams, but cut to 2 in last 1 1/2 minutes after Fonville fouls out. Make fouls to win by 7. Report expected from Cardsfan or check nescac board for their analysis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on December 30, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
In the eyes of the pollsters Scranton will go from 6 votes to 8.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 30, 2015, 11:13:03 PM
CUA wins their holiday tournament, beating Williams 65-57, capitalizing on their last opportunity for a solid non-conference win. Jay Howard was huge with 21 points, 13 in the second half. CUA had a double-digit lead for the majority of the second half, but Williams made a serious run and the Cards had to hang on a little bit for the final few minutes, but most encouragingly CUA won the game by making a defensive stand when they really needed a stop. Certainly the most complete performance for the Cards all season.

Seems like a good day for Landmark teams all around. Scranton wins at CNU and Susquehanna stays undefeated. Good to see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
One of the best wins in some time for the Royals...well done.
As far as the D3 polls...they are an absolute joke...I actually wonder if the voters have ever played or coached the game....ever.
Remember, because Scranton named their women's coach so late, they were doomed to last place for ever and ever (please refer to Dmac).
Well, not so much.
Apparently, a bad year in Royalville is still far better than any year in Towson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on December 30, 2015, 11:13:03 PM
CUA wins their holiday tournament, beating Williams 65-57, capitalizing on their last opportunity for a solid non-conference win. Jay Howard was huge with 21 points, 13 in the second half. CUA had a double-digit lead for the majority of the second half, but Williams made a serious run and the Cards had to hang on a little bit for the final few minutes, but most encouragingly CUA won the game by making a defensive stand when they really needed a stop. Certainly the most complete performance for the Cards all season.

Seems like a good day for Landmark teams all around. Scranton wins at CNU and Susquehanna stays undefeated. Good to see.

Yes, a good day for the Landmark going 5-0 as Drew and MMA also win; Landmark is now 6th in the country for winning percentage against nonconference opposition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 31, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 30, 2015, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 30, 2015, 08:07:12 PM

Well, I guess Scranton has finally done enough to get ranked on Monday.

  Dave McHugh needs a lot of convincing. ::)

Yeah, sorry... there are a lot of other teams I would vote for ahead of Scranton right now. One win, one game never tends to be a major determining factor for me to throw someone into the Top 25. I certainly watching Scranton and am interested to see how they do once conference action starts. The win over CNU is also very impressive, but I am not inclined to tell you right now I am voting for them. Of course, there are still at least three more days until I put pencil to pad.

Quote from: saratoga on December 30, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
One of the best wins in some time for the Royals...well done.
As far as the D3 polls...they are an absolute joke...I actually wonder if the voters have ever played or coached the game....ever.
Remember, because Scranton named their women's coach so late, they were doomed to last place for ever and ever (please refer to Dmac).
Well, not so much.
Apparently, a bad year in Royalville is still far better than any year in Towson.

A) Pretty sure I have never said at any time that because of the delay getting the Scranton women's coach in place would doom the program to last place. In fact, I am very confident I have said that I would not be surprised they had a decent first year based on just the talent in place... but that the years moving forward when recruiting is the determining factor... those are the years I am curious about. However, I NEVER said they would be in last... I just felt they might be hurt. Hurt in Scranton's terms isn't last. It just means they might not be as successful or as dominate as they have been in the past. However, I am not a soothsayer and honestly don't follow recruiting that closely (because it way to subjective and fickle at this level) to be able to predict what is going to happen in three years (heck, a player has to commit, then show up, pay the bill, be in class, then at practices, and then in uniform at least on the bench before I buy they are really playing for any team). But again... didn't say they would be in last place ever... but keep on believing whatever you think you are reading... or feel like making up - I will hold you accountable, though.

B) You can take a shot at my alma mater all you want, but I don't think it is justified. No program is the same. No situation is the same. No expectation(s) is the same from school to school and program to program. It is disappointing the Gophers haven't been as competitive as their history has proven... however, there are still student-athletes who choose to play for these schools including Goucher and clearly things are changing in Towson as you probably have noticed. But saying "a bad year in Royalville is still far better than any year in Towson" is just trying to stir the pot and be mean. Try acting a little bit more grown up.

C) You may think the D3 polls are "an absolute joke," but I usually hear that from people who a) think there is no way their Kool-Aid could be tainted, b) their program could ever be anything less than perfect, c) that any other program could be better than theirs, d) don't understand just how much work goes into voting each and every week, e) how much voters take their jobs seriously, and f) don't understand how the polls are put together in the first place. Believe it or not, there are quite a number of voters who are coaches, played the game, or have been around the game long enough to know the difference. Just because you don't agree doesn't make you right or them wrong. It also doesn't make them right. I will admit when I have missed on a team good or bad. I put it out there. I don't see you do the same due diligence and then putting your work out there for the public to read. It sure is easy for people to criticize the polls and those voting in them when they wouldn't want to even try doing the job themselves or face criticism for how they vote. Until you are willing to do even half of that, calling polls absolute jokes shows me a lack of knowledge.

Sorry to be fired up, but I am sick and tired of people taking pop shots at polls, schools, and individuals. It is insulting and I am tired of seeing it. I am more than willing to have constructive conversations even when people completely disagree, but taking pop shots at people, teams, players, programs, etc. cross the line for me and I will call you out on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 31, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Dmac:

There were several comments from you back in June & August inferring the Royals would have a hard time recovering from their late hire.
To me, it came off more as wishful thinking as opposed to a historical view regarding the cost of late appointments.
Correct, never stated last place but did write, "they botched this from the beginning & its going to cost them dearly".
Regarding any comment by me disparaging your alma mater...that was wrong & I do apologize.
As for the polls...they are very much an inexact science & at times, it's hard to believe any real thought goes into them beyond last seasons final record.
Obviously, many pollsters may take their review of the data far more seriously than others, hence the head scratching placement of teams from top to bottom throughout the year.
Again, my apologies.
Happy New Year.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on December 31, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
Dmac I agree with Saratoga;reply #588 date June 4th 2015 3.51 pm you stated (it has been a big cluster from the get go and you also stated Scranton is in big trouble)your words.By the way Happy New Year all
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2016, 03:14:03 PM
I have been critical of what has happened at Scranton and I think most would agree for good reason. I have not once stated otherwise nor argued I never was critical. It took well over a year to get a new coach fully in place, it took two coaching searches (that we know of), a demotion of an AD, hiring a new AD, etc., etc., etc. I have been critical of what has been going on and I have stated I think it will hurt Scranton in the long run. Considering the facts in front of me/us a year ago and throughout the last year, I think those are fair criticisms to be had. However, I never for ONCE said the team would be in last place or would sink to the bottom of the league. I simple stated that by their standards, Scranton could be hurting themselves and could be in big trouble.

By Scranton's standards which are already rather lofty. Making the NCAA tournament and losing in the first round last year wasn't up to Scranton standards and was stated clearly by posters on these boards. For many schools... just making the NCAA tournament is something to be celebrated. I talked to a coach this past week whose team is around .500 - he stated they were having a horrible season. I told him there are hundreds of schools who would die to have his record with their schedule. He agreed they were horrible by the standards they have put in place for themselves. So by me saying they may hurt themselves... I have been talking about the standards and expectations they have put in place. I am pretty sure I have been clear about this as well in the past.

I also followed up several times that I did not think this year would be horrific due to the talent on board, but was concerned about years moving forward with the real questions about who was coaching and how fast could they get into the recruiting. It is a fact that the later a coach is hired in the year, the more they are focused on getting the season squared away than they are on recruiting - especially trying to get recruits they lost in the interim.

Now, I have also stated that hiring Dave Martin is a terrific move and that along with Trevor Woodruff shows a major step in a positive direction. It doesn't mean things might not be a little lean for Scranton in the coming years, but as I said in the past and will say again ... that is to be determined. If everyone was able to predict the future correctly, what would be the point in it all?

I still feel Scranton on the whole poorly handled the coaching situation with the women's team. There are plenty of facts to back that up including the fact they had to reopen the search when things went badly sideways on them in late Spring. There hasn't been a single person I have talked to in this region (and more specifically, off these boards) who thinks Scranton helped themselves in anyway. How Scranton recovers is the key and again, I have stated that Dave Martin and Trevor Woodruff hires may have been the right mix. But just for a moment imagine if those decisions hadn't been the way Scranton had decided to head in...

As for pollsters, trust me when I say if Pat feels any of them are not taking the job seriously, he will at some point find new pollsters. It isn't as easy as you think. There are basically 25 different opinions - which is why the D3sports polls tend to be far more accurate than many coaches polls who use far less voters (WBCA has eight voters - one from each region). You may not understand where teams are slotted, but that is based on your opinion. I may not understand where they finished, but again it is based on my opinion (one I make public). Unless you can specifically point at voters who are taking this more seriously and those who are not, it is just a sweeping generalization to say pollsters take it more seriously than others and that the polls are a joke. I understand you apologized, but in that you also stated it is an inexact science - it is an inexact science and when we look towards computer-based polls which is supposed to be more exact, we even find problems with them (do we have to talk about the FBS system prior to the playoffs?). However, I would say this... it isn't that often a team is poorly underranked who goes on to the final four let alone win a championship. It happens once in awhile (like UMHB getting to the title game unranked), but for the most part the teams the voters think are the best in the country... are the ones vying for national championships. Nit picking ninth or tenth and the like... isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 02, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
Well if anyone thought some kind of a corner had been turned by the CUA defense in the past few games and they would carry that forward for the rest of the season, those thoughts came crashing back down to earth today. CUA conceded 87 points to USMMA in a game where for long stretches the defensive effort was farcical. CUA could never hold onto a lead for more than a few possessions. What was a poor defensive 1st half only got worse in the 2nd, allowing USMMA to shoot 60% in that half.Whenever CUA would grab a lead, they would then get beaten down the floor by USMMA after made baskets and concede easy layups. 

The Cardinals are now giving up a shade over 84 points per game in conference play, wasting excellent offensive showings in each game, both from individual players and the team collectively. Bryson Fonville is averaging 25 ppg in conference play and he may have to keep that up just for CUA to hang in games, a frightening prospect with Scranton (2x), Juniata (2x), Drew (2x), and Susquehanna still to come.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2016, 11:53:56 PM
 At this point I have 5(Scr,Sus,CUA,Drew,Jun)  battling 4 4 playoff spots with MMA having the best chance of breaking into this group. For games involving these 5 and winning on another's court(+1) or losing on your home court or to a non-contender(-1):
Drew - +1, Scr,Sus - 0, CUA,Jun - -1.
Feature games this coming week: Scr-Drew(TU), Sus-Scr(TH), Drew-CUA(Sat)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2016, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 02, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
Well if anyone thought some kind of a corner had been turned by the CUA defense in the past few games and they would carry that forward for the rest of the season, those thoughts came crashing back down to earth today. CUA conceded 87 points to USMMA in a game where for long stretches the defensive effort was farcical. CUA could never hold onto a lead for more than a few possessions. What was a poor defensive 1st half only got worse in the 2nd, allowing USMMA to shoot 60% in that half.Whenever CUA would grab a lead, they would then get beaten down the floor by USMMA after made baskets and concede easy layups. 

The Cardinals are now giving up a shade over 84 points per game in conference play, wasting excellent offensive showings in each game, both from individual players and the team collectively. Bryson Fonville is averaging 25 ppg in conference play and he may have to keep that up just for CUA to hang in games, a frightening prospect with Scranton (2x), Juniata (2x), Drew (2x), and Susquehanna still to come.

This is really staggering, to be honest. When I looked back at the last 17 or more seasons of Catholic basketball, they have had two seasons above 70 ppg defensively and they have come in the last three or four seasons with this year being the worst by far. Not sure what to say because I have no idea what is or isn't going on... but defense has always been a CUA mainstay, but clearly this year it isn't. They aren't going to win the conference (and if they do) do much in the NCAA tournament giving up that many points. Disappointing for a team that had some high expectations this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2016, 04:39:15 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 03, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
I'm a little late, but nice win for the Royals against CNU, Scranton fans...I was expecting a little more from #50, given his physical attributes, but I thought the team as a whole was pretty solid.  Maybe they'll meet again in the NCAA tournament, if both teams make it that far...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2016, 11:19:04 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 03, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
I'm a little late, but nice win for the Royals against CNU, Scranton fans...I was expecting a little more from #50, given his physical attributes, but I thought the team as a whole was pretty solid.  Maybe they'll meet again in the NCAA tournament, if both teams make it that far...

Enjoyed the venue (from the stream) as well as the production on the video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 05, 2016, 08:47:59 AM
Thanks, FAN...you should come down and see a game in person!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2016, 12:55:15 PM
It is a really nice arena at CNU. I was never in the old place, but I know it was a huge upgrade at the time. I haven't been in the building in a decade but what I remember in my head still stacks up as one of the top basketball facilities in D-III.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 05, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
The Freeman Center was definitely a huge upgrade over Ratcliffe Gymnasium, although CNU's home court advantage took a bit of a ding...it was tough to beat the Captains at Ratcliffe during the Woollum era.  I think the best crowd/atmosphere I've seen at the Freeman Center was the first year it opened...CNU was playing William Paterson and Horace Jenkins for the right to go to the final four.  You were there, right Pat? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2016, 02:09:57 PM
Yes , looking at the video stream you get the feeling it is first rate and appears larger than it probably is.  Newport News is a bit of a hike Swish, but thanks for the invite!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
What a game b/w Drew and Scranton ....Drew was up 20-3 at one point and Scranton took a lead into half time on a 60 foot buzzer beater by Boken. I think they finished the first half on a 33-11 run. If you have an hour and half to kill go find this game on the Drew Athletic Website archive. Who needs Oklahoma-Kansas when you have Scranton-Drew?

Scranton guts it out by 6 or so after giving the lead back in the second half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 05, 2016, 10:08:34 PM
Really strange game in DC tonight. CUA makes 18 threes, scores 101 points, wins by 34 and yet no one on the Cardinal coaching staff seemed too pleased about the game. It may not seem like it from the box score, but the defense was really poor again. Time and again E-Town got inside for easy lay-ups. The thing that really hurt E-Town was that they turned it over 20 times, many of them unforced.

Coach Howes mixed it up a bit tonight, going to more full-court pressure and substituting a ton. Fonville played a total of 9 minutes. No injury, just no reason for him to play much tonight. I'm glad Howes tried something different tonight, even though the results were mixed. We'll have to wait and see if tonight was a one-off or if he sticks with the new plan. He used several timeouts tonight getting on the team for defensive lapses and even went to some of the players at the end of the bench to see if they could offer anything.

Gonna be a long season or two for E-Town.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2016, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
What a game b/w Drew and Scranton ....Drew was up 20-3 at one point and Scranton took a lead into half time on a 60 foot buzzer beater by Boken. I think they finished the first half on a 33-11 run. If you have an hour and half to kill go find this game on the Drew Athletic Website archive. Who needs Oklahoma-Kansas when you have Scranton-Drew?

Scranton guts it out by 6 or so after giving the lead back in the second half.

Royals' bench outscored Drew's by 12-4 or about the difference in the outcome. Drew's Mike Klinger looks like he's back to all-conference status from the injury list.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Swish3:
Watched the game from Baltimore & add me to the list as very impressed by the quality of the commentators & video production.
Nice to actually hear the play by play match up with what's taking place on the court.
Well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 06, 2016, 09:29:54 AM
Thanks, saratoga!

Glad Scranton was able to hang on for the win last night...if they could beat Susquehanna tomorrow, that would be huge!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2016, 06:46:56 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 05, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
The Freeman Center was definitely a huge upgrade over Ratcliffe Gymnasium, although CNU's home court advantage took a bit of a ding...it was tough to beat the Captains at Ratcliffe during the Woollum era.  I think the best crowd/atmosphere I've seen at the Freeman Center was the first year it opened...CNU was playing William Paterson and Horace Jenkins for the right to go to the final four.  You were there, right Pat?

Yea, that's correct. Fifteen years ago now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2016, 08:36:35 AM
Hard to believe it was that long ago...unfortunately, CNU hasn't played in a game of that magnitude since...those games are hard to come by, especially at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Susquehanna clearly the better team in many ways.
A shame B. Boken will go out as a senior this year with probably no post season other than a one & done in the Landmark playoffs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
So I realize we're only 5 games into the conference, but is Susquehanna just gonna run away with this?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2016, 04:01:24 PM
No... they will take a hit or two and things will remain close... but I'd be surprised the tournament is on their home court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
So I realize we're only 5 games into the conference, but is Susquehanna just gonna run away with this?

1st hiccup tomorrow w MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
So I realize we're only 5 games into the conference, but is Susquehanna just gonna run away with this?

I think they will run away with it, but they'll lose one or two. They're good and deep, but they rely on shooting and no team goes a whole season without a bad shooting night or two.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2016, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
So I realize we're only 5 games into the conference, but is Susquehanna just gonna run away with this?

I think they will run away with it, but they'll lose one or two. They're good and deep, but they rely on shooting and no team goes a whole season without a bad shooting night or two.

I saw only the final third of last night's game but they played good defense in that time; most Scranton shots  were well-contested.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 08, 2016, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 08, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
So I realize we're only 5 games into the conference, but is Susquehanna just gonna run away with this?

I think they will run away with it, but they'll lose one or two. They're good and deep, but they rely on shooting and no team goes a whole season without a bad shooting night or two.

I saw only the final third of last night's game but they played good defense in that time; most Scranton shots  were well-contested.

I would be surprised if they run the table, as mentioned they rely heavily on outside shooting and there will be some game where their shooting is off, but I just wonder if it will matter. CUA and Scranton are both technically 3 games behind them. Like d-mac said, at this point I'd be very surprised if Susquehanna doesn't finish 1st.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 09, 2016, 05:07:42 PM
The ultimate game of two halves today in DC. Drew really ambushed the Cardinals with three-pointers in the first 20 minutes, hitting 9. CUA went into the break trailing 44-38 and seemingly without any answers on how to stop Drew's guards, especially Mike Klinger, who had 17 in the first half. After probably being ripped by the coaches in the locker room, the Cards came out in the second half and played really intense defense and held Drew to 4-26 shooting.

Bryson Fonville returned from sitting out the game Thursday night and came within 1 rebound and 1 assist of a triple-double.

Absolutely vital win for the Cards today with road games against Scranton and Juniata as their next two.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
Unbelievable game in Towson today. Both teams shot at least 55% (off the top of my head). Goucher was unconscious at one point from outside. Goucher lead by 13 in the second half, but just couldn't hold on. And then a dumb foul (sorry for Goucher folk reading this...), I do mean dumb foul with 3.3 seconds left gave Boken a chance at the line that I think nearly everyone in the building knew he would.

Goucher is learning to win... this would have been helpful in that educational process. It will still be a good lesson, but it will take more time.

Only frustration I had with Scranton... why do they keep going away from Boken? Something that shocked me in Vegas last year was the long periods of time that the Royals would not even try run their offense through Boken inside after clear proof it was working. Today was de... ja... vu. At one point in the second half, Boken and Vitkus got into an incredible inside-outside game that got Scranton rolling and back into the game (not that they were out of the game, but made it close). They even got the guards to look inside first. Then it disappeared. Gone. Nothing.

Boken is an incredible player and still got his points tonight, but the reason Scranton struggles against really good teams and doesn't move very far in the NCAA tournament in the last three years is because they just can't go with what works. Boken works. He is an All-American who can hurt a team multiple ways including passing off to guys like Vitkus who find themselves open due to the defensive interest in Boken. I would be running the offense through Boken until a defense proves they can stop him... and then point towards any number of other weapons like Vitkus, Doolan, Thomas, etc. (Danzig wasn't much of a factor today).

Unfortunately, I don't see myself keeping Scranton in my Top 25 this week... but I will continue to watch the Royals to see how things progress. The Landmark is probably a two-bid league with an outside chance at three if Scranton and Catholic can avoid unneeded losses to the bottom 2/3s of the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2016, 01:39:25 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
Unbelievable game in Towson today. Both teams shot at least 55% (off the top of my head). Goucher was unconscious at one point from outside. Goucher lead by 13 in the second half, but just couldn't hold on. And then a dumb foul (sorry for Goucher folk reading this...), I do mean dumb foul with 3.3 seconds left gave Boken a chance at the line that I think nearly everyone in the building knew he would.

Goucher is learning to win... this would have been helpful in that educational process. It will still be a good lesson, but it will take more time.

Only frustration I had with Scranton... why do they keep going away from Boken? Something that shocked me in Vegas last year was the long periods of time that the Royals would not even try run their offense through Boken inside after clear proof it was working. Today was de... ja... vu. At one point in the second half, Boken and Vitkus got into an incredible inside-outside game that got Scranton rolling and back into the game (not that they were out of the game, but made it close). They even got the guards to look inside first. Then it disappeared. Gone. Nothing.

Boken is an incredible player and still got his points tonight, but the reason Scranton struggles against really good teams and doesn't move very far in the NCAA tournament in the last three years is because they just can't go with what works. Boken works. He is an All-American who can hurt a team multiple ways including passing off to guys like Vitkus who find themselves open due to the defensive interest in Boken. I would be running the offense through Boken until a defense proves they can stop him... and then point towards any number of other weapons like Vitkus, Doolan, Thomas, etc. (Danzig wasn't much of a factor today).

Unfortunately, I don't see myself keeping Scranton in my Top 25 this week... but I will continue to watch the Royals to see how things progress. The Landmark is probably a two-bid league with an outside chance at three if Scranton and Catholic can avoid unneeded losses to the bottom 2/3s of the conference.

It could be 3 bids if Juniata or Catholic wins the AQ.

All you Royals' fans(NEPAFAN and me) who signed up for them going 5-1 for this 6-game stretch in 11 days and 3 road trips have to be happy with the way it worked out. 2 tough games next week @ MMA & home with Catholic.

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +1
Scranton        - 0
Drew              - 0
Catholic         - -1
Juniata           - -1

Big games next week:
Jun-Sus     Wed
Catholic Scr   Sat
Sus-Drew      Sat 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2016, 10:13:03 AM
I forgot about 5-1...good call on that. Mission accomplished.

Also saw that Miseri beat D II Mansfield...not sure if that is a good win and what the gap is between high D3 and the PSAC.

Also at least Goucher didn't lose the game for getting a technical for celebrating the game winning shot:

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/college-basketball-team-loses-after-being-assessed-tech-1751991944
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
No... I think the conference can get three in even if Susquehanna gets the AQ as long as Scranton and Catholic don't take more than two more losses in conference. That would leave CUA and Scranton with six total losses (if they are an at-large). Not saying it will happen... but they will be in play. If either of them get's the AQ instead, you are setting up a much better chance to be sure. As for Juniata, I don't think they get in unless they win the conference, now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2016, 07:53:04 PM
 The Royals are ineffective on offense against MMA, trailing 36-27, even after scoring the final 7 points. Few good looks; Brendan has 0 FGs and Kevin with more turnovers than normal; 11 offensive rebounds allowed; Ethan keeping them in the game with 3s.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 13, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
After Ethan buries a 3 MMA goes down court and the ref calls a foul with .8 seconds left from what I saw it was a no call on Boken he was standing straight up.Terrible job Coaching one way you can always  beat Carl's teams is shot threes.Hey Carl instead of saying everybody shots 100% against Scranton  your kids need to defend the three.To lazy on defense no intensity in this team to many turnovers it is a mess in Scranton Dave but not with the girls but the guys and you are so right on Boken good point! I had to finally vent about Carl's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 13, 2016, 09:44:41 PM
Shoots just aggravated.Hey what is that -4 mean?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: San Juan on January 13, 2016, 09:44:41 PM
Shoots just aggravated.Hey what is that -4 mean?

Someone didn't like your posts. I gave you one back, go royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
Thanks Nepafan.I thought it said the reason you have a forum like posting up is to express your thoughts on a certain Player,Team etc.I guess not!!!!! ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2016, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
Thanks Nepafan.I thought it said the reason you have a forum like posting up is to express your thoughts on a certain Player,Team etc.I guess not!!!!! ???

Heartbreaker last night, but that is why you need to play 40 minutes.  Digging yourself double digit holes isn't a winning solution.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 14, 2016, 09:52:48 AM
Quote from: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
Thanks Nepafan.I thought it said the reason you have a forum like posting up is to express your thoughts on a certain Player,Team etc.I guess not!!!!! ???

Ironically, the karma-meter allows posters to express their thoughts on fellow posters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2016, 10:32:47 AM
 Since MMA has now injected themselves into playoff contention with their come-from-ahead victory over Scranton last night:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Scranton        - 0
Drew              - 0
Catholic         -  0
Juniata           - -1
MMA              - -1

Big games this week:

Catholic-Scr   Sat
Sus-Drew      Sat
Jun-MMA       Sat

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Thanks lefty2 for that information.For someone that has been following the Royals for more then 35 years I think D3hoops is the best thing for all d3 sports it is great to put your opinion  out there.So I have just one other question since you get pluses and minus does it tell you who gives them to you or does that stay behind close doors?Just a question because I am a die hard Royals fan and I never miss a game home or away both men and women unless as you know in the Landmark when they split then I choose to either go and see the men or the women.I would love to know who gives me the karma pluses or minuses.Thanks again Nepafan you know who I am just a clue sat right in front of you at the goucher game if this is who I think it is!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 14, 2016, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Thanks lefty2 for that information.For someone that has been following the Royals for more then 35 years I think D3hoops is the best thing for all d3 sports it is great to put your opinion  out there.So I have just one other question since you get pluses and minus does it tell you who gives them to you or does that stay behind close doors?Just a question because I am a die hard Royals fan and I never miss a game home or away both men and women unless as you know in the Landmark when they split then I choose to either go and see the men or the women.I would love to know who gives me the karma pluses or minuses.Thanks again Nepafan you know who I am just a clue sat right in front of you at the goucher game if this is who I think it is!
I think the only person who has that information is Trevor Woodruff.   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
It does not tell you... though for many of us... it gets to the point of no longer even paying attention to them. People like what you have to say or not. They applaud you or smite you and can only do it once a day. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2016, 02:35:28 PM
And only posters with 200 or more posts can add to or subtract from other posters' karma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 14, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 14, 2016, 10:32:47 AM
Since MMA has now injected themselves into playoff contention with their come-from-ahead victory over Scranton last night:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Scranton        - 0
Drew              - 0
Catholic         -  0
Juniata           - -1
MMA              - -1

Big games this week:

Catholic-Scr   Sat
Sus-Drew      Sat
Jun-MMA       Sat

MMA is a team that should be better than their record indicates. They finished last season winning 6 of their final 7 league games and I kinda thought they would push on from there. They're the 2nd best 3pt. shooting team in the league and they force a bunch of turnovers. If they could just cut down on how many fouls they commit and stop turning the ball over themselves, they'd consistently be a top-4 team. Every CUA game against them has been a real challenge.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
Wondering if Trevor can coach both teams?
Guess they'd need the Landshark to end this nonsensical women on the road/men at home etc. bafoonery first.
Karma to my good friend from old San Juan.
Hang in there, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
Wondering if Trevor can coach both teams?
Guess they'd need the Landshark to end this nonsensical women on the road/men at home etc. bafoonery first.
Karma to my good friend from old San Juan.
Hang in there, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

The reason for the mid-week game structure was coaches complaining about the weekend structure wasn't fair in terms of injury recovery and academics (giving the kids time to study; too tired coming back from trips to study). Personally, I think it is a narrow-minded mentality considering there are far better conferences than the Landmark who go with weekend schedules and their programs seem to do pretty well all the same. Since moving to this non-weekend schedule (in the sense of two games), the Landmark hasn't exactly improved the quality of basketball - in other words, it wasn't the schedule in the first place. Due to travel, weekend schedules make more sense. Due to structure, I don't love the non-double-headers. But it is what it is when coaches run the roost (that is a comment not directed at the Landmark or those who run things, but more at coaches around the country who have a tendency to foul things up for no good reason).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 14, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 14, 2016, 10:32:47 AM
Since MMA has now injected themselves into playoff contention with their come-from-ahead victory over Scranton last night:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Scranton        - 0
Drew              - 0
Catholic         -  0
Juniata           - -1
MMA              - -1

Big games this week:

Catholic-Scr   Sat
Sus-Drew      Sat
Jun-MMA       Sat

MMA is a team that should be better than their record indicates. They finished last season winning 6 of their final 7 league games and I kinda thought they would push on from there. They're the 2nd best 3pt. shooting team in the league and they force a bunch of turnovers. If they could just cut down on how many fouls they commit and stop turning the ball over themselves, they'd consistently be a top-4 team. Every CUA game against them has been a real challenge.

You have to remember... Merchant Marine deals with off-the-court challenges that really hamper the team's ability to come together. Deployments, commitments, and the like can keep the program from having the entire team together until mid-season. It happens all of the time. They might not be available to even practice for the first half of the season or at least in a limited way. I have gotten very used to looking at an MMA squad from the year before and not seeing it get back to that speed until the final month of the season. They just deal with different challenges than other squads. It is a BIG reason they are leaving the conference for a more local group next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 14, 2016, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
Wondering if Trevor can coach both teams?
Guess they'd need the Landshark to end this nonsensical women on the road/men at home etc. bafoonery first.
Karma to my good friend from old San Juan.
Hang in there, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

The reason for the mid-week game structure was coaches complaining about the weekend structure wasn't fair in terms of injury recovery and academics (giving the kids time to study; too tired coming back from trips to study). Personally, I think it is a narrow-minded mentality considering there are far better conferences than the Landmark who go with weekend schedules and their programs seem to do pretty well all the same. Since moving to this non-weekend schedule (in the sense of two games), the Landmark hasn't exactly improved the quality of basketball - in other words, it wasn't the schedule in the first place. Due to travel, weekend schedules make more sense. Due to structure, I don't love the non-double-headers. But it is what it is when coaches run the roost (that is a comment not directed at the Landmark or those who run things, but more at coaches around the country who have a tendency to foul things up for no good reason).

It's certainly disingenuous if the case was being made that weekend scheduling was directly hampering the quality of play.

D-mac you would know better than most since you talk to a lot of coaches, wouldn't the coaches also want more days between games to get more practice time and to gameplan for opponents?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2016, 01:28:36 AM
Yes and no... it's Division III... many coaches understand that you play with the situation you have and in conferences like the SUNYAC, NESCAC, MIAC (though it's adjusted), NWC, UAA, and others (seriously, there are a lot of conferences)... travel demands they play on the weekends and thus you adjust accordingly. Heck, to win the NCAA championship you are going to most likely play opponents on a weekend three times.

However, most coaches in this conference have told me on air and off... if they have a top player injured in the first of two games, it is unfair they can't rest to be ready for a game three or four days later than to lose them for the next game. They also complain that their student-athletes are getting home so late and are exhausted after playing back-to-back games that they can't study and get their work done on Sundays.

I think when it comes from this conference it rings hallow. They formed to be of like-minded, seemingly high-standard institutions who have some travel challenges and decided to pair games on the weekend. Then they say it is too difficult on the student-athletes both physically and educationally - that their students can't handle it - yet, conference like the NESCAC and UAA who have far higher academic standards and demands (to be blunt) are doing it every week. They are traveling further and, yet, their student-athletes are still doing incredibly well in the classroom despite the schedule AND they are incredibly good on the court as well. They deal with injuries all of the time, but their teams still succeed.

Is it ideal? No! But to cop out of it because "it's too hard" when others prove it can be done... seems weak.

What I am saying is not new. People in the conference have read my statements here and heard me say them elsewhere. Hiding behind "my best player is injured, it's not fair" is short-sighted. Saying "they are too tired to study" means they aren't up to the standards of the school in the first place. Am I being harsh? Yes. But we now have a schedule where rivals never meet on the weekends because they are close enough that those games need to be played during the week because the long-drive games have to be played on the weekends. In other words, we will never get a final game of the season between actual rivals with the season or playoff berth/bids on the line. We also will not get rival schools playing a double-header because, again, they won't play on weekends. We will get something else because instead of thinking long term and understanding this schedule will only make you better... coaches and others thought short-sighted.

But here's the kicker that I am not sure everyone thought through, and I am quite sure someone in the conference will tell me I'm wrong... by having the men and women split during the week... schools are paying for extra trips every season via bus. Instead of Goucher taking one bus to take both men and women to a game, they pay for a bus one week for the women to go to Catholic and another bus a few weeks later to take the men's team to Catholic. Yes, some schools could argue they take two busses anyway, but they are the minority from what I see showing up to Goucher every night.

Sorry... I jumped on the soap box. Stepping off now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 15, 2016, 11:12:53 AM
In my personal experience I  preferred the Wednesday/Saturday schedule vs. the Saturday/Sunday for the physical and academic reasons provided.

Economically I would imagine it is much cheaper to pay for a few extra bus trips than 20 hotel rooms 3 times a year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2016, 11:39:52 AM
Quote from: San Juan on January 14, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Thanks lefty2 for that information.For someone that has been following the Royals for more then 35 years I think D3hoops is the best thing for all d3 sports it is great to put your opinion  out there.So I have just one other question since you get pluses and minus does it tell you who gives them to you or does that stay behind close doors?Just a question because I am a die hard Royals fan and I never miss a game home or away both men and women unless as you know in the Landmark when they split then I choose to either go and see the men or the women.I would love to know who gives me the karma pluses or minuses.Thanks again Nepafan you know who I am just a clue sat right in front of you at the goucher game if this is who I think it is!

Good guess work.


Can we get a win Saturday?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
D-Mac and I have disagreed on the schedule issue for years!  I was a big proponent since before they made the change.

Catholic-Scranton is the last game of the season for both teams.  Pretty solid match-up, yes?

What real "geographic" rivalries does this conference have? 

The fact that other conferences play all weekend games isn't an affirmative reason why it should be done.  I still think this format makes more sense from a competition standpoint.   It was very hard to gain and sustain momentum when you only play once a week.  If you're playing well, you want to get back out there and keep it going, if you're not, you don't want to have to sit around all week waiting for a chance to turn it around.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 15, 2016, 04:40:10 PM
Little primer for tomorrow:

CUA record at the Long Center in Landmark play: 0-11, average margin of defeat 10.5 points per game. Yeesh. This has to be the worst record of any team in the conference at one gym.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
The fact that other conferences play all weekend games isn't an affirmative reason why it should be done.  I still think this format makes more sense from a competition standpoint.   It was very hard to gain and sustain momentum when you only play once a week.  If you're playing well, you want to get back out there and keep it going, if you're not, you don't want to have to sit around all week waiting for a chance to turn it around.

There are conferences all around the country and in the Landmark's backyard that prove that theory completely wrong. Some of the best teams in the country come out of conferences who play games on the weekends only. I am not saying it is a road to success, but it certainly isn't a momentum issue. I mean, teams in the NESCAC who have gone undefeated in their conference (and on to national championships)... you have to wonder how they could keep up that momentum under your theory, right?

Heck... coaches who argue it isn't fair that a player doesn't get time to recover from Game 1 to Game 2 from an injury doesn't consider the fact that played does get an entire week to rest before playing the next set of games. Whereas players only get two days (maybe three) to rest before having to tackle another game midweek... making their chance of a recovery actually a little less and maybe playing games less than 100% for far longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 15, 2016, 08:05:17 PM
Dave I loved the weekend schedule as a follower it stinks from a fans point to choose one over the other on the weekdays and I travel everywhere with the Royals.All I can say is you might see some changes coming!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2016, 08:37:38 PM
 Bcannon and Matt LeTourneau are back in the Chat site; all we need now is The Grove to be at full strength.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
The Centennial played Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday this week.  Not much time to recover.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2016, 10:48:53 PM
Injuries? Recovery time?
Please.
The reality of the situation is the Landmark had it right when they started & they've been screwing with success ever since.
Do the UAA & NESCAC play 2 games on the weekend?
Answer: YES.
Do both conferences have some distance to travel between Friday & Sunday?
Answer: Most definitely.
Especially the UAA whose schools are running out of the gym on Friday evening & catching flights to their next destination for Sunday's game more often than not.
But don't their players ever get hurt/tired?
Answer: Clown question bro.
Question; What about academics at these schools...are the kids getting enough time to study?
Answer: Some of the best & brightest student/athletes in the land...you tell me.
Do these conferences actually win championships?
Answer: Please look up the resume's of Wash U, Amherst, Williams & NYU.
Time for the Landmark to shelve their current setup & return to men & women playing at the same sites with Friday/Sunday games.
I also know that beyond the whining of MMA over this setup, Moravian was also a big pain constantly crying over the cost of travel etc.
You're either in or out...have your school spring for the extra travel or go back to the MAC.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
D-Mac and I have disagreed on the schedule issue for years!  I was a big proponent since before they made the change.

Catholic-Scranton is the last game of the season for both teams.  Pretty solid match-up, yes?

What real "geographic" rivalries does this conference have? 

The fact that other conferences play all weekend games isn't an affirmative reason why it should be done.  I still think this format makes more sense from a competition standpoint.   It was very hard to gain and sustain momentum when you only play once a week.  If you're playing well, you want to get back out there and keep it going, if you're not, you don't want to have to sit around all week waiting for a chance to turn it around.

Matt I agree no real rivalries in the landmark. I beg someone to point one out other than Catholic and Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2016, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
The Centennial played Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday this week.  Not much time to recover.

The Landmark does this also 1 week in January each year; this year it was last week, part of 6 games in 11 days for Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2016, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 15, 2016, 10:48:53 PM
Injuries? Recovery time?
Please.
The reality of the situation is the Landmark had it right when they started & they've been screwing with success ever since.
Do the UAA & NESCAC play 2 games on the weekend?
Answer: YES.
Do both conferences have some distance to travel between Friday & Sunday?
Answer: Most definitely.
Especially the UAA whose schools are running out of the gym on Friday evening & catching flights to their next destination for Sunday's game more often than not.
But don't their players ever get hurt/tired?
Answer: Clown question bro.
Question; What about academics at these schools...are the kids getting enough time to study?
Answer: Some of the best & brightest student/athletes in the land...you tell me.
Do these conferences actually win championships?
Answer: Please look up the resume's of Wash U, Amherst, Williams & NYU.
Time for the Landmark to shelve their current setup & return to men & women playing at the same sites with Friday/Sunday games.
I also know that beyond the whining of MMA over this setup, Moravian was also a big pain constantly crying over the cost of travel etc.
You're either in or out...have your school spring for the extra travel or go back to the MAC.

One would think that Moravian would be the geographical center of the Landmark and would have the lowest cost of travel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 15, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
D-Mac and I have disagreed on the schedule issue for years!  I was a big proponent since before they made the change.

Catholic-Scranton is the last game of the season for both teams.  Pretty solid match-up, yes?

What real "geographic" rivalries does this conference have? 

The fact that other conferences play all weekend games isn't an affirmative reason why it should be done.  I still think this format makes more sense from a competition standpoint.   It was very hard to gain and sustain momentum when you only play once a week.  If you're playing well, you want to get back out there and keep it going, if you're not, you don't want to have to sit around all week waiting for a chance to turn it around.

Matt I agree no real rivalries in the landmark. I beg someone to point one out other than Catholic and Scranton.

Serious question: Do our Scranton people consider Scranton-CUA a genuine rivalry? By Landmark standards I guess it is since Scranton is the only school CUA has any history with in conference tournament play. I don't think it's a rivalry until CUA beats Scranton in a high-stakes game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2016, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 15, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 15, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
D-Mac and I have disagreed on the schedule issue for years!  I was a big proponent since before they made the change.

Catholic-Scranton is the last game of the season for both teams.  Pretty solid match-up, yes?

What real "geographic" rivalries does this conference have? 

The fact that other conferences play all weekend games isn't an affirmative reason why it should be done.  I still think this format makes more sense from a competition standpoint.   It was very hard to gain and sustain momentum when you only play once a week.  If you're playing well, you want to get back out there and keep it going, if you're not, you don't want to have to sit around all week waiting for a chance to turn it around.

Matt I agree no real rivalries in the landmark. I beg someone to point one out other than Catholic and Scranton.

Serious question: Do our Scranton people consider Scranton-CUA a genuine rivalry? By Landmark standards I guess it is since Scranton is the only school CUA has any history with in conference tournament play. I don't think it's a rivalry until CUA beats Scranton in a high-stakes game.

We're probably manufacturing a rivalry here between Scranton & Catholic; while these 2 have won all but 1 of the 8 Landmark men's bball championships, they've only met twice in the final game. Inhibiting factors to having a rivalry include the relative newness of the conference and the fact that half of the games are played in January when most students are on intersession break. It's hard to sense a rivalry game in the presence of 200 fans, although more should be in attendance tomorrow because of the added attraction of the women's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Ronk:

The Moravian issue isn't about miles.
Their credit rating has been significantly lowered & as recently as 2012, they had serious borrowing issues.
Take a look at their basketball schedules over the time they've been in the Landmark...they never travel for tournaments in San Juan, Florida or Las Vegas.
I think the furthest trip they had was several years ago to Boston.
Other than that, they play as close to home as possible.
In 2013, the school made a decision that restricted students from moving off campus because too many dorm rooms were empty and the cost of heating & maintenance was becoming difficult with so few students in them to begin with.
I think they are in a position that leaves them with very little room for things some other schools take for granted.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
True.  I guess the other thing I would throw into the mix is that they're similar to each other--both Catholic, roughly the same size, good reputations for academics, get "cross-shopped" a fair amount by prospective students, and they've both had consistently successful basketball programs.

I'm not knocking anybody else in the conference, I'm just saying that Catholic and Scranton have a similar profile, and are almost always both competing at a high level in a conference. 

Now, as a Catholic fan I would love to see more parity in the results!  But as a Red Sox fan, I would also attest to the fact that you could certainly have a one-sided rivalry for a long time; it doesn't diminish in intensity.  And when the shoe does flip, it sure is sweet.

The only other team in this conference Catholic ever has had a rivalry with is Goucher, but that's history at this point.  Back when Goucher was really good in the mid-90s, success + geography, some colorful coaches, and the fact that the schools were otherwise polar opposites made that fun.  But I really don't see that anymore.  Who knows, maybe others will develop at some point.

I wouldn't necessarily say its worked out this way, but one of the reasons I like the current schedule is that at least at Catholic, student attendance was better on weeknights. It was a fun, easy, and relatively quick thing to do and it was easier to round up a bunch of people to go to the game.  Weekends were a mixed bag, and more for alumni and grownups since the students are spread out.  That may be more of a product of being in DC though, there's a lot of competition on a weekend.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2016, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
True.  I guess the other thing I would throw into the mix is that they're similar to each other--both Catholic, roughly the same size, good reputations for academics, get "cross-shopped" a fair amount by prospective students, and they've both had consistently successful basketball programs.

I'm not knocking anybody else in the conference, I'm just saying that Catholic and Scranton have a similar profile, and are almost always both competing at a high level in a conference. 

Now, as a Catholic fan I would love to see more parity in the results!  But as a Red Sox fan, I would also attest to the fact that you could certainly have a one-sided rivalry for a long time; it doesn't diminish in intensity.  And when the shoe does flip, it sure is sweet.

The only other team in this conference Catholic ever has had a rivalry with is Goucher, but that's history at this point.  Back when Goucher was really good in the mid-90s, success + geography, some colorful coaches, and the fact that the schools were otherwise polar opposites made that fun.  But I really don't see that anymore.  Who knows, maybe others will develop at some point.

I wouldn't necessarily say its worked out this way, but one of the reasons I like the current schedule is that at least at Catholic, student attendance was better on weeknights. It was a fun, easy, and relatively quick thing to do and it was easier to round up a bunch of people to go to the game.  Weekends were a mixed bag, and more for alumni and grownups since the students are spread out.  That may be more of a product of being in DC though, there's a lot of competition on a weekend.


I also go back to the pre-Landmark days when Catholic and Scranton would play on Thanksgiving weekend and Catholic always got the better of Scranton. Back in those days you actually had to go to D3hoops Scoreboard to check results and read the box scores and recaps.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 16, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Obviously a big win today for the Cardinals in Scranton. Really strong first half performance from freshman Andre Mitchell. He's been starting for most of the season now and has been pretty solid as another ball handler, allowing Fonville to focus on scoring more, but in conference play Mitchell has really been playing very well, gaining a lot of confidence.

Unfortunately I didn't make the trip up, but the guys calling the game made a couple of interesting points. First, Vitkus being in foul trouble in the first half seemed to really disrupt Scranton's offensive flow because their high-low game with him and Boken was killing CUA. I don't know if too many teams in conference will be able to deal with that on a consistent basis. Second, the shooting from the Scranton guards was off all day. They were wondering what happened to Marcus Thomas, who hit 2 threes in the first few minutes and then hardly played for the rest of the game (16 minutes).

Finally, I have to single out Brendan Boken. What a special player. Very good player as a freshman and has just gotten better and better. Definitely one of the top 2 or 3 players this conference has ever had. Nobody has an answer for him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2016, 06:57:38 PM
Really scratching my head. Royals look flat as flat can be. Turnovers, missed shots, out of sync. They fall behind by 20 for the 3rd time this month. The Royals have 3 players who can score on a consistent basis and Danzig goes to the same players over and over again. 0 bench points.  Believe the Royals have been figured out.

Not a fan of the Women's game, but Trevor has reinvigorated that program, and they have a great inside-outside game.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
  The Royals will probably have to win @ Sus or Catholic to make the playoffs, barring upsets from the lowest 3 teams.

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Drew              - 0
Juniata           - 0
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Catholic-Jun   Wed
MMA-Catholic  Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Drew             11-5
Juniata          11-5
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 16, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
Another night no defense from 3 land Catholic 11 of 23 from 3pt land.Scranton is done no intensity on defense at all that's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2016, 08:59:53 PM
Stick a fork in these Royals...they are done!
No intensity, no emotion, no defense, no coaching leadership!
Danzig spends all of 3 minutes in the locker room at halftime then comes up & sits on the bench by himself & pouts.
Please...this act is getting way too old.
Against Drew they fall behind 20-3 yet somehow manage to win.
Against Goucher they are losing the entire game & pull it out at the end.
Against MMA they are getting pummeled all game yet manage to almost pull that one out until a mystery call against them with .08 seconds on the clock.
Bottom line, they are not coming out ready to play.
They play with no defensive intensity, they play like they've never gone through a walk through on the team they're playing & this coach has simply never recruited well.
I really feel Brenden Boken is one of the best players to ever put on a Royal uniform & Danzig has done little to compliment his game with a point that can distribute & set up other options.
In last years Sweet 16 game vs. Babson, Boken had 17 points while the Royals senior backcourt had a combined 15 points.
In fact, in this game, the big senior tandem of Danzig & Klingman were a combined 2 for 12 from behind the arc.
Brenden Boken has to play night in & night out against kids far bigger than he & most games he's double teamed from the start.
Through it all, he's in double figures every night & most games its a double/double.
This kid, regardless of how early the Royals season ends, deserves All-America status for the effort he brings every night.
If their coach could ever bring that same desire & passion (much like their women's coach), they might be on to something.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2016, 09:02:18 PM
PS.
Kudo's to Catholic...clearly the better team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2016, 11:36:41 PM
Not having seen the game, what stood out in the box score for me was that fact that Howard had a quiet game, apparently due to foul trouble.  If you had told me that Howard would have 6 points I wouldn't have loved CUA's chances. 

CardsFan is right about Mitchell though--he's a big difference maker as a freshman for Catholic.  Getting better as the season goes on. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2016, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 16, 2016, 08:59:53 PM
Stick a fork in these Royals...they are done!
No intensity, no emotion, no defense, no coaching leadership!
Danzig spends all of 3 minutes in the locker room at halftime then comes up & sits on the bench by himself & pouts.

They mentioned that on the radio broadcast as well. Again , same players getting the bulk of minutes and you expect different results is the definition of insanity. Let's give some of the other kids on the bench a shot , including the leading scoring in Nassau County last year.

Excited for the energy that has enveloped the Women's program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2016, 11:26:07 PM
 E-town wins @ MMA tonight; I don't think MMA's 6 losses now will be good enough to make the playoffs.
Drew loses out of conference to Widener.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2016, 04:29:09 PM
So after losing 3 of 4 and getting down big early does Danzig make a change in the starting line up? We shall see...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2016, 08:45:39 PM
 We had them all the way. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 20, 2016, 10:20:47 PM
Nepafan my point all season.Ethan needs to sit bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2016, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2016, 04:29:09 PM
So after losing 3 of 4 and getting down big early does Danzig make a change in the starting line up? We shall see...

Change of strategy: went from up 15(33-18) to down 11(61-50); Chris McCullough did get considerable playing time(25 mins) and produced, so look for more PT in the future.
Scranton's playoff chances would have benefitted by a Catholic win over Juniata since Catholic has 6/8 remaining games @ home, but not to be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 20, 2016, 10:53:07 PM
Juniata deserving winners tonight over CUA 79-67. Flat performance from the Cards from the very beginning.

The refusal of the coaches to consistently play man-to-man defense is becoming laughable. They just sit in their zone and get picked apart. If the goal is to stop opponents' dribble penetration then they need to go back and watch the tape. This has been a consistent theme all season long. Play a soft zone that doesn't really stop opponents from getting easy baskets and just keep playing more zone. CUA lacks the proper size or length to play zone effectively. If CUA plays zone because Howes doesn't trust his players to defend individually then that's his problem for having a team full of players who can't or won't defend. This zone just allows certain players who are poor individual defenders to hide. Juniata made 63% of their two-pointers tonight.

A big part of this teams' success last season was getting easy points from the FT line. They've abandoned that strategy. Now CUA has become an almost exclusively jump-shooting team. Jay Howard is the only player who gets to the line consistently. At the end of last season, this team was clicking because it had two players who could post up consistently and get easy baskets. This season Howard has been left on his own inside because our other nominal forward just shoots threes.

This is a bit ranty but it's the same basic mistakes over and over and over again. It's now a three-year trend where the defense has been anywhere from slightly above average to porous.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
Look for more playing time for McCullough????
Why?
What he did tonight means nothing in Carl's World...
If it did, a certain someone wouldn't get 35 minutes per night.
Embarrassing at this point with his refusal to get other kids p/t.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2016, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 20, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
Look for more playing time for McCullough????
Why?
What he did tonight means nothing in Carl's World...
If it did, a certain someone wouldn't get 35 minutes per night.
Embarrassing at this point with his refusal to get other kids p/t.

Saratoga please report to the Long Center, they are revoking your parking pass and club level privileges. Same players looked flat yesterday, lazy passes, Turnovers, Missed Layups....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
Games starting to get postponed.

Drew at Goucher postponed to 3 & 5 on Sunday - to be honest, I think they are dreaming if they think Drew will get through Jersey to Baltimore on Sunday in time for a game. Blizzard Warning for Baltimore runs until Sunday morning at 6am.

Others in the region and conference to come or already have happened.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 21, 2016, 05:26:52 PM
CUA has postponed their game on Saturday against MMA. I believe the make-up date is Feb. 21. Interesting way to end the season. Scranton at home on the 20th and then MMA on the 21st. Too bad CUA already had their "bye."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:47:56 PM
That's going to be because of MMA - so many restrictions with their class schedules and such... thus why scheduling in this conference has been a challenge for a very long time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2016, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 21, 2016, 05:26:52 PM
CUA has postponed their game on Saturday against MMA. I believe the make-up date is Feb. 21. Interesting way to end the season. Scranton at home on the 20th and then MMA on the 21st. Too bad CUA already had their "bye."

The date makes sense-MMA is at Goucher on the 20th. They go back-to-back like a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Yep - for MMA it is a very easy thing to do... and ironically will finish their basketball schedule with the item they didn't like the most and partly why they are leaving the conference... back-to-back weekend games at their furthest opponent: Goucher and Catholic. Can't make this stuff up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Yep - for MMA it is a very easy thing to do... and ironically will finish their basketball schedule with the item they didn't like the most and partly why they are leaving the conference... back-to-back weekend games at their furthest opponent: Goucher and Catholic. Can't make this stuff up.

Didn't they think about that before the joined the conference? Any rumblings on replacing them or is the conference going to stand pat for awhile?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Yep - for MMA it is a very easy thing to do... and ironically will finish their basketball schedule with the item they didn't like the most and partly why they are leaving the conference... back-to-back weekend games at their furthest opponent: Goucher and Catholic. Can't make this stuff up.

Didn't they think about that before the joined the conference? Any rumblings on replacing them or is the conference going to stand pat for awhile?

I was surprised that they went to 9 2 years ago; maybe MMA told them they wanted to leave so they invited E-town in the interim; 8 is ideal and more compact for travel with E-town in the middle.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Yep - for MMA it is a very easy thing to do... and ironically will finish their basketball schedule with the item they didn't like the most and partly why they are leaving the conference... back-to-back weekend games at their furthest opponent: Goucher and Catholic. Can't make this stuff up.

Didn't they think about that before the joined the conference? Any rumblings on replacing them or is the conference going to stand pat for awhile?


Yes, agree. If you were going to add  I would think it would be in the South Central PA area for ease of travel. York? Messiah ( no thanks in soccer).

I was surprised that they went to 9 2 years ago; maybe MMA told them they wanted to leave so they invited E-town in the interim; 8 is ideal and more compact for travel with E-town in the middle.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Yep - for MMA it is a very easy thing to do... and ironically will finish their basketball schedule with the item they didn't like the most and partly why they are leaving the conference... back-to-back weekend games at their furthest opponent: Goucher and Catholic. Can't make this stuff up.

Didn't they think about that before the joined the conference? Any rumblings on replacing them or is the conference going to stand pat for awhile?

I was surprised that they went to 9 2 years ago; maybe MMA told them they wanted to leave so they invited E-town in the interim; 8 is ideal and more compact for travel with E-town in the middle.

The conference may have had gut feelings about MMA leaving eventually, but they did not indicate that when Etown was brought in. Etown's addition was not a preemptive strike as it where... it actually helps sports other than basketball with AQs. MMA did know the travel schedule, but wanted so badly to change conferences and such that they thought the grass was greener. Not the case. They are headed back to the Skyline as a result.

As for growth, the conference will remain pat from what I have been told and understood for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean there might not be something down the road, but any rumors about growth can be ignored for now as they don't plan to shake things up for awhile.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2016, 10:41:44 AM
Scranton vs Cabrini pushed back to Feb 15th due to storm..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 11:36:12 AM
Drew at Goucher still on as scheduled for today. Men at 3; Women at 5.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
 Goucher beats Drew today, helping the Royals

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Juniata              - 0
Drew               - -1
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Drew-Scr       Wed
Sus-Catholic  Wed
Jun-Drew       Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Juniata          11-5
Drew             10-6
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
Not a great flowing game between Drew and Goucher... probably didn't help we started 45 minutes late due to the fact there were no refs on site. (I believe that the assigner was told of the change to Monday... on Saturday... but in the craziness of the storm it is very likely it slipped through the crack. One of the refs actually slide into the game a few minutes into action - it was very nicely done). The teams just couldn't get into the flow and at least one, if not two of the refs had trouble as well. Just wasn't a great game... but it is what it is sometimes.

Goucher is learning to close out games - something they couldn't do against Scranton you might remember. They also played with a smaller lineup, Chris Outing didn't even suit up, playing to match up with Drew and their now smaller lineup as well (injuries).

Drew and Goucher are going to make things interesting the rest of the season. To what level is to be determined. But it was nice to get a game in this "weekend."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2016, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
Not a great flowing game between Drew and Goucher... probably didn't help we started 45 minutes late due to the fact there were no refs on site. (I believe that the assigner was told of the change to Monday... on Saturday... but in the craziness of the storm it is very likely it slipped through the crack. One of the refs actually slide into the game a few minutes into action - it was very nicely done). The teams just couldn't get into the flow and at least one, if not two of the refs had trouble as well. Just wasn't a great game... but it is what it is sometimes.

Goucher is learning to close out games - something they couldn't do against Scranton you might remember. They also played with a smaller lineup, Chris Outing didn't even suit up, playing to match up with Drew and their now smaller lineup as well (injuries).

Drew and Goucher are going to make things interesting the rest of the season. To what level is to be determined. But it was nice to get a game in this "weekend."

Thanks for the recap forgot about the business man's special today...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 26, 2016, 01:38:28 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
Goucher beats Drew today, helping the Royals

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Juniata              - 0
Drew               - -1
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Drew-Scr       Wed
Sus-Catholic  Wed
Jun-Drew       Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Juniata          11-5
Drew             10-6
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7

If Cards finish 12-4 that means they'll only drop 1 of their final 8, which will include either a home win over Susquehanna or a season sweep of Scranton. Cards have 6 of their final 8 at home, which is great since they haven't lost at home yet. Very tough end to the season with their final 3 games being Juniata, Scranton, and MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 26, 2016, 01:38:28 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 25, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
Goucher beats Drew today, helping the Royals

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Juniata              - 0
Drew               - -1
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Drew-Scr       Wed
Sus-Catholic  Wed
Jun-Drew       Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Juniata          11-5
Drew             10-6
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7

If Cards finish 12-4 that means they'll only drop 1 of their final 8, which will include either a home win over Susquehanna or a season sweep of Scranton. Cards have 6 of their final 8 at home, which is great since they haven't lost at home yet. Very tough end to the season with their final 3 games being Juniata, Scranton, and MMA.

The projections have each contender winning on their home court, therefore CUA beating both Susquehanna and Scranton and losing only @ Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
Ok...
who's predicting the 4 teams in?

Use whatever formula you like, but all we need to know is who you think makes it & when the dust settles, we'll see where we're at.

1. Susquehanna (the most consistent team all year but...they have a long track record of fading before the finish line).

2. Catholic (the most talented starting 5. Just not enough interest in playing D up to this point).

3. Juniata (why not? Decent starting 5, had a great start to the season, good coach...can they win on the road)?

4. Scranton ( no logical reason for this choice. They've under-performed pretty much all year against decent teams. Team seems to lack leadership & passion. Perhaps talent alone & some wishful thinking might get it done).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2016, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
Ok...
who's predicting the 4 teams in?

Use whatever formula you like, but all we need to know is who you think makes it & when the dust settles, we'll see where we're at.

1. Susquehanna (the most consistent team all year but...they have a long track record of fading before the finish line).

2. Catholic (the most talented starting 5. Just not enough interest in playing D up to this point).

3. Juniata (why not? Decent starting 5, had a great start to the season, good coach...can they win on the road)?

4. Scranton ( no logical reason for this choice. They've under-performed pretty much all year against decent teams. Team seems to lack leadership & passion. Perhaps talent alone & some wishful thinking might get it done).

That's the order I see if the Royals hold serve by defeating Drew tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 26, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
1. Susquehanna: (personally I don't think there's too much doubt they are the class of the league. Been blowing teams out consistently in league play. They're a two-point road loss from being undefeated. Maybe they drop another game or two with 5 of their final 8 on the road, but I'd be stunned if they don't finish 1st.)

2. Juniata: (if Catholic loses tomorrow and even if Scranton wins tomorrow they have a two-game lead for 2nd place. Best defensive team in the conference. They will have to close it out with a bunch of road games, but if they keep defending it shouldn't be a problem. I can't put Catholic in front of them with Juniata decidedly the better team in their head-to-head match-up.)

3. Catholic: (I don't have huge faith in my Cards here. 6 of their final 8 at home is a big boost. It's almost impossible to determine which version of this team will show up defensively. Any talk of Susquehanna having a history of falling off can be seen and raised by Catholic's numerous late season meltdowns. Their final 3 games vs. Juniata, Scranton, and MMA will make or break their season.)

4. Scranton: (only behind Catholic based on head-to-head. The Royals have the best player in the league and for all their faults are a pretty good defensive team. Road games at Susquehanna and Catholic are obviously huge. If they can steal one of those then they should be in good shape.)

I can see Juniata, Catholic, and Scranton finishing in any order between 2nd and 4th. Drew could sneak back into the conversation but I think their ceiling is just a level below the other contenders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Drew is in trouble based on injuries. Drew is going to be a factor because they are well coached and a good team. Depends which one can overcome the other.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2016, 01:28:04 PM
I don't disagree with anyone's playoff predictions. Can the Royals come out of the shoot with a little passion and intensity? Too Much To Ask?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2016, 09:18:03 PM
 Goucher beats Juniata today, helping the Royals; Royals hang on to beat Drew; Catholic hot vs Sus; MMA beats #27 Trinity who is 5-0 in the highly-rated NESCAC but 0-2 vs Landmark teams. How about that, Dave McHugh?

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Juniata              - 1
Drew               - -1
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Jun-Drew       Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Juniata          10-6
Drew             10-6
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 10:08:06 PM
That 0-2 is weird to say the least. I suspect Trinity was looking past a team we all know can be very good, but the challenges of that school and their requirements never allow them to be consistent.

As for Goucher... what did I say earlier? LOL I am just kidding. I thought they might give up a good fight, but didn't expect them to hang in and take it to Juniata. I am sure the Eagles may complain about officiating (their fans certainly did). The officials allowed a lot, but called stuff when it went too far. Goucher got really aggressive in the second half especially on offense - taking it to the middle hard - and Juniata was on their heels quickly.

To be honest, nice to see Goucher playing with passion and an understanding they can win games. They will still be streaky and will lose games that may not make sense, but they have made a turn it appears. Another note, one of the biggest and loudest pro-Goucher crowds I have seen at the SRC in years. Even cheering on the women's score updates when given. President sat front row leading the cheers - he has shown up now to more basketball games than the last two presidents combined. There is just a different feel.

But enough about that... no point in raising hopes just yet. There is a lot of work to be done.

Conference race is going to be interesting. I figured Susquehanna would drop one if not both at CUA and Scranton... but 21 points by giving up 101? Didn't see that score coming. I still think SUS is the top team in the conference by far. CUA is probably second, Scranton third, with Juniata and others fighting it out for fourth... which I think will get more interesting in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 27, 2016, 10:23:11 PM
First, from a neutral point of view tonight's Catholic-Susquehanna was just a terrific basketball game to watch. Now having seen Susquehanna in person, they are a really really good team. All of their players are a threat. Josh Miller is just fun to watch.

Now from a Cardinal perspective they need to bottle whatever was the plan tonight and use that for the rest of the season. Given the level of opponent, that's the most comprehensive performance CUA has put together in a good while. In the past I've worried that the team doesn't always get geared up for big games, but that wasn't a problem tonight. Fonville was ready to go from the very start and at times was simply unplayable. Corey Stanford had possibly his most complete game of the season with 15 points, 8 boards, and 6 assists.

Special mention for Kevin Phanord. Finally got some extended playing time and was all over the place. Points, steals, rebounds. He was always in the right place at the right time.

It's just one game and consistency hasn't been Catholic's strongest trait this season, but tonight was a glimpse of what this team is capable of.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 10:32:44 PM

I didn't get to watch it.  From the box score it appears neither team played any defense.  Is that true or were guys just hitting tough shots on both sides of the court?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
To be blunt, Catholic hasn't been playing defense all season. Been the theme of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2016, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 10:08:06 PM
That 0-2 is weird to say the least. I suspect Trinity was looking past a team we all know can be very good, but the challenges of that school and their requirements never allow them to be consistent.

As for Goucher... what did I say earlier? LOL I am just kidding. I thought they might give up a good fight, but didn't expect them to hang in and take it to Juniata. I am sure the Eagles may complain about officiating (their fans certainly did). The officials allowed a lot, but called stuff when it went too far. Goucher got really aggressive in the second half especially on offense - taking it to the middle hard - and Juniata was on their heels quickly.

To be honest, nice to see Goucher playing with passion and an understanding they can win games. They will still be streaky and will lose games that may not make sense, but they have made a turn it appears. Another note, one of the biggest and loudest pro-Goucher crowds I have seen at the SRC in years. Even cheering on the women's score updates when given. President sat front row leading the cheers - he has shown up now to more basketball games than the last two presidents combined. There is just a different feel.

But enough about that... no point in raising hopes just yet. There is a lot of work to be done.

Conference race is going to be interesting. I figured Susquehanna would drop one if not both at CUA and Scranton... but 21 points by giving up 101? Didn't see that score coming. I still think SUS is the top team in the conference by far. CUA is probably second, Scranton third, with Juniata and others fighting it out for fourth... which I think will get more interesting in the next few weeks.

Just changing the atmosphere at the game is a  big positive change; saw the final 2 mins and crowd seemed alive-more will go to the next one and, if they hadn't given that game away to Scranton, they'd be in the mix for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
The crowd was insanely different right from the get-go. I haven't had a crowd already cheering for my opening phrase before lineups, "and your Goucher College Gophers," and it not be half-hearted in a long time. They were into the game from the start and didn't give up on the team even when they got down early. It was great to see and I really hope they show up more often. It was the first day of school, I believe, of the new semester (pushed back two days due to the storm), so its a good sign they are there with classes the next day.

They still might enter the playoff mix if they keep this up. That Scranton loss is tough, but they have to learn to win games and close out games. That isn't easy to learn let alone teach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 27, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 10:32:44 PM

I didn't get to watch it.  From the box score it appears neither team played any defense.  Is that true or were guys just hitting tough shots on both sides of the court?

While d-mac is right that Catholic's defense has been MIA most of the season, a big part tonight was people just hitting shots. Both teams came into the game averaging over 80 in league play. I admit there were a number of head-scratching moments defensively for Catholic, but the offenses deserve some credit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 27, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 10:32:44 PM

I didn't get to watch it.  From the box score it appears neither team played any defense.  Is that true or were guys just hitting tough shots on both sides of the court?

While d-mac is right that Catholic's defense has been MIA most of the season, a big part tonight was people just hitting shots. Both teams came into the game averaging over 80 in league play. I admit there were a number of head-scratching moments defensively for Catholic, but the offenses deserve some credit.

Both teams shot ridiculously high percentages.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
Anyone catch Vitkus' dunk last night on a put back? Was waiting to see in on Sportscenter...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 28, 2016, 01:47:43 PM
If that kid knew some post moves, he'd be dangerous...to me, he looked coordinated and athletic, which isn't the case for a lot of big guys in this division.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2016, 12:44:15 PM
Here is the dunk I was referring to ..


https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/692860727661432833

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 30, 2016, 05:31:18 PM
Well the free-flowing, end-to-end action of Wednesday night was replaced by the end-to-end action of walking from foul line to foul line today in DC. 59 combined fouls. 77 combined free throws. The inevitable letdown from playing Susquehanna was evident in Catholic's play today as everything was just a step off, but all of the free points allowed Catholic to build a huge lead and then just coast to the end. Only 1 starter played more than 25 minutes and the bench guys were able to get extended time today. That hasn't always been the case.

To more interesting conference stuff, I see Drew won their game vs. Juniata today. Big win for them. Not a good week for the Eagles. They're gonna have to do it the hard way now. This week gives them Susquehanna and Scranton. 9-7 or 10-6 in conference seems more likely for them now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
After today's action:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Juniata              - 1
Drew               - -1
Scranton        - -1
MMA              - -2

Big games this week:

Sus-Jun       Wed
Drew-MMA   Wed       Bye: Gou
Jun-Scr        Sat
CUA-Drew    Sat         Bye: MMA

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Juniata          10-6
Drew             10-6
Scr                10-6
MMA               9-7

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 02, 2016, 09:30:43 AM
I'm really looking forward to the Feb. 13 Royals game as the '76 Rockin' Royals Return To the Long Center ...It will be good to see the guys again...I'm especially hopeful that "Jackson",  "Edzo", and "Fly" will be there...I witnessed that game at Albright and will never forget it ..Somehow 17 fans managed to climb into and on top of my car for the late night post game parade around Reading...Unreal !!   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on February 02, 2016, 09:30:43 AM
I'm really looking forward to the Feb. 13 Royals game as the '76 Rockin' Royals Return To the Long Center ...It will be good to see the guys again...I'm especially hopeful that "Jackson",  "Edzo", and "Fly" will be there...I witnessed that game at Albright and will never forget it ..Somehow 17 fans managed to climb into and on top of my car for the late night post game parade around Reading...Unreal !!

  I was there for the semifinal against Augustana, but I don't remember now why I missed the final.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Good to see a little bit of Alumni engagement on behalf of the Athletics Department. Not sure many of Bess's guys are that involved with the current program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on February 03, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
With playoffs coming up and these next few games being huge for seeding, if I'm a top team in the league, I would hate to see the Drew Rangers coming to town.

If Klinger, Herring, and McLaughlin are on they can get really hot and fill it up. Especially with them being all seniors and already taking down Susquehanna they are a dangerous team come playoff time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
Yeah, but they are also very banged up and lost a lot of their inside look. That new guard look may have confused Susquehanna the first time, but at this point everyone has seen them and adjusted. The Rangers lost three in a row after that Crusaders game including to Goucher once everyone got a look at that new look. Drew is a good team, but I don't think they are the ones everyone is worried about. That distinction probably applies to Merchant Marine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:36:09 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 03, 2016, 06:35:22 PM
Couple of intriguing games tonight. Let's hope Susquehanna-Juniata is better than MMA-Drew. Watched the 2nd half of that one and MMA completely dismantled Drew. If Drew isn't hitting shots they're in real trouble. 5-23 from 3pt. Klinger and Herring combine for 6-22, 1-10 from 3pt.

Could be another late-season surge for MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 03, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
Thankfully there are no more Wednesday road trips for Catholic in the regular season. Really lifeless start and E-Town were more than willing to grab that opportunity. Cards weren't able to really get a handle on the game until there were about 7 minutes left and stretch it out to the final 13 point margin. Some ugly basketball for long stretches. Catholic is just 5-5 on the road this season. Their lack of confidence in road games is weird.

Two positives: 1) Corey Stanford scored his 1,000th point tonight. He's got a broken bone in his left hand and thankfully the wrap doesn't seem to be impeding him too much. 2) Coach Howes has seemed to settle on a bench rotation that is paying off and the bench players made a difference tonight.

In broader Landmark action, I see Juniata let a real opportunity slip through their fingers tonight against Susquehanna. Steven Weidlich had a 3-point play with 4 seconds left to give Susquehanna the win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2016, 01:30:37 AM
After today's action:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +1
Scranton          - 1
Drew               - -1
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -2

Big games this week:

Jun-Scr        Sat
CUA-Drew    Sat         Bye: MMA

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Scr                10-6
Drew             10-6
Jun                 9-7
MMA               9-7

It appears that Ethan Danzig didn't play tonight; anyone know if he's ill or injured?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2016, 05:57:34 AM
Tweaked his knee should be in the lineup Saturday per Dean Corwin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 06, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Tough game for Catholic at Drew today. The Cards trailed the majority of the game and only took the lead for good with a little over 4 minutes left in the game. Some clutch free throw shooting gave Catholic the 73-69 win. Jay Howard was huge with 28 points, for long stretches being the only offense Catholic could muster.

A positive is that this hasn't been the kind of game Catholic has won this season. They've either won games handily or lost. This was a game where they had to find a way to grind out points because they weren't shooting well. Thankfully no more road games in the regular season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
After today's action:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +2
Scranton          - 1
Drew               - -2
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -2

Big games next week:

Scr-Sus       Wed
Drew-Sus     Sat      Bye: Catholic
MMA-Jun      Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Scr                10-6
Drew               9-7
Jun                 9-7
MMA               9-7
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2016, 10:19:01 PM
   S/O for Scranton's newest bball member of its Wall of Fame - Brian O'Donnell(2001-2005), my favorite Royal hoopster of the modern(D3hoops) era. Only Royal to lead the team in rebounding 4 consecutive years, 2nd all-time in rebounds and top 20 in points, steals, and blocks. Standout on 2003 Sweet 16 team as a soph. Injured hand in one of those Thanskgiving-weekend games @ Catholic junior year, missed a lot of the season or his stats would be even better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
After today's action:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +2
Scranton          - 1
Drew               - -2
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -2

Big games next week:

Scr-Sus       Wed
Drew-Sus     Sat      Bye: Catholic
MMA-Jun      Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Scr                10-6
Drew               9-7
Jun                 9-7
MMA               9-7

Would like to see Scranton go 2-1 to close out Landmark Play at a 11-5, would obviously have to steal on at Sus or Catholic. Don't think the 1 seed is realistic, but would like a #2...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2016, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
After today's action:

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Susquehanna - +2
Catholic        -  +2
Scranton          - 1
Drew               - -2
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -2

Big games next week:

Scr-Sus       Wed
Drew-Sus     Sat      Bye: Catholic
MMA-Jun      Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        12-4
Scr                10-6
Drew               9-7
Jun                 9-7
MMA               9-7

Would like to see Scranton go 2-1 to close out Landmark Play at a 11-5, would obviously have to steal on at Sus or Catholic. Don't think the 1 seed is realistic, but would like a #2...

Scranton would likely have to beat both Sus and CUA to move ahead of CUA; otherwise would be #3 because of tiebreaker #2(CUA has already beaten Sus).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 10, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Ronk you have to adjust your standings again.Scranton beat Susquehanna also tonight at Selinsgrove.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 10, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Ronk you have to adjust your standings again.Scranton beat Susquehanna also tonight at Selinsgrove.

Despite 17 turnovers! Goucher couldn't hold on against Catholic at CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 10, 2016, 10:15:58 PM
Once again Catholic is playing with fire. They trailed for long stretches against Goucher tonight. Another slow start and Fonville hardly played in the 1st half because of foul trouble. Catholic was lucky to be down only 2 at the half. An isolation-heavy attack in the 2nd half allowed the Cards to escape as Goucher didn't have an answer for Jay Howard or Fonville, as they combined for 33 points in the half.

No excuses, but tonight it really seemed like Corey Stanford was struggling with the wrap on his hand. 1-8 from the floor, 0-4 from 3pt and the misses weren't close. Gonna have to watch, because if he continues to not be any kind of scoring threat then the offense will continue to stagnate. Isolation ball is fine for now, but there's no ball movement.

Secret MVP tonight was Kevin Phanord. Didn't score a point but the energy changed completely whenever he was on the floor. He got a couple steals and 4 offensive rebounds in just 15 minutes. If anyone tracked plus/minus, he'd have to be a real winner tonight.

D-mac should be pleased. Goucher looks like an actual team. The effort is really present at both ends. They just wasted a number of possessions late in the game, otherwise they would have won this game.  Genuinely good to see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
After today's action: Catholic and Scranton clinch conference playoff spots

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Catholic        -  +2
Susquehanna - +2
Scranton          - 0
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -2
Drew               - -3

Big games next week:

Drew-Sus     Sat      Bye: Catholic
MMA-Jun      Sat

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        13-3
Scr                11-5
Jun                 9-7
MMA               9-7
Drew              8-8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 11, 2016, 10:32:01 AM
What a great article in the Scranton times today about the 1976 rockin roll Royals.I wish there was a way to post there schedule that year.The teams they played were alot of d1 schools and Scranton beat alot of them.If Dmac knows how to post it or anyone else please do so great article.Hopefully the gym will be like it was back in those days this Saturday pcaked house.Thanks for any help on this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 11, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
Sorry packed
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 10, 2016, 10:15:58 PM
Once again Catholic is playing with fire. They trailed for long stretches against Goucher tonight. Another slow start and Fonville hardly played in the 1st half because of foul trouble. Catholic was lucky to be down only 2 at the half. An isolation-heavy attack in the 2nd half allowed the Cards to escape as Goucher didn't have an answer for Jay Howard or Fonville, as they combined for 33 points in the half.

No excuses, but tonight it really seemed like Corey Stanford was struggling with the wrap on his hand. 1-8 from the floor, 0-4 from 3pt and the misses weren't close. Gonna have to watch, because if he continues to not be any kind of scoring threat then the offense will continue to stagnate. Isolation ball is fine for now, but there's no ball movement.

Secret MVP tonight was Kevin Phanord. Didn't score a point but the energy changed completely whenever he was on the floor. He got a couple steals and 4 offensive rebounds in just 15 minutes. If anyone tracked plus/minus, he'd have to be a real winner tonight.

D-mac should be pleased. Goucher looks like an actual team. The effort is really present at both ends. They just wasted a number of possessions late in the game, otherwise they would have won this game.  Genuinely good to see.

I am pleased... wish I could have driven down there for the game, but I got asked to be on TV! (Taping of a show for Sunday.)

The team is playing well and new leadership is clearly changing the mentality. But it is hard to break habits and create a more positive locker room. Goucher did the same things against Scranton when they lost some late possessions that would have put the game away. However, they are competing in games and they are no longer considered a walk-over. I will take that any day versus ten-straight losing seasons.

Side note, the Goucher women's team has won eight or more games for just the third time in my life at the college. The change of mentality and leadership there is also obvious. Looking forward to what both coaches are able to do, but it won't happen quickly... it will take time to rebuild these programs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 11, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
San Juan: as requested, here's that Championship season... Perhaps we'll meet at the Long Center on Saturday.

1975-76 (27-5/*9-1 MAC Northern/
=4-1 MECAA)
Head Coach: Bob Bessior
Home Court: Long Center

Date Royals OPP R
N29 64 =Siena 79 L
D5 53 Colgate 65 L
D6 81 =LeMoyne 74(OT)W
D9 67 Bucknell 66 W
D13 86 *Lycoming 66 W
D19 85 Lincoln 62 W
D20 67 King's 70 L
J3 77 Moravian 62 W
J5 57 Army 55 W
J7 79 =St. Francis-NY 67 W
J14 61 *Phil. Textile 75 L
J17 67 *Albright 65 W
J20 69 vs. Clarion St. 72 L
J21 88 vs. Amherst 75 W
J24 84 Lehigh 60 W
J26 95 *Juniata 73 W
J28 71 =King's 58 W
F1 69 =Gannon 66 W
F4 68 *Delaware Valley 62 W
F7 53 *Juniata 52(OT)W
F11 77 *Upsala 64 W
F14 72 *Elizabethtown 62 W
F17 75 *Wilkes 62 W
F18 54 *Susquehanna 43 W
F21 89 Catholic 62 W
F27 76 @Lycoming 59 W
F28 90 @Upsala 64 W
M12 68 !Grove City 45 W
M13 70 !Widener 64 W
M16 95 ^Shepherd-WV 78 W
M19 76 #Augustana-IL 65 W
M20 60 !Wittenberg-OH 57(OT)W
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2016, 04:08:29 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on February 11, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
San Juan: as requested, here's that Championship season... Perhaps we'll meet at the Long Center on Saturday.

1975-76 (27-5/*9-1 MAC Northern/
=4-1 MECAA)
Head Coach: Bob Bessior
Home Court: Long Center

Date Royals OPP R
N29 64 =Siena 79 L
D5 53 Colgate 65 L
D6 81 =LeMoyne 74(OT)W
D9 67 Bucknell 66 W
D13 86 *Lycoming 66 W
D19 85 Lincoln 62 W
D20 67 King's 70 L
J3 77 Moravian 62 W
J5 57 Army 55 W
J7 79 =St. Francis-NY 67 W
J14 61 *Phil. Textile 75 L
J17 67 *Albright 65 W
J20 69 vs. Clarion St. 72 L
J21 88 vs. Amherst 75 W
J24 84 Lehigh 60 W
J26 95 *Juniata 73 W
J28 71 =King's 58 W
F1 69 =Gannon 66 W
F4 68 *Delaware Valley 62 W
F7 53 *Juniata 52(OT)W
F11 77 *Upsala 64 W
F14 72 *Elizabethtown 62 W
F17 75 *Wilkes 62 W
F18 54 *Susquehanna 43 W
F21 89 Catholic 62 W
F27 76 @Lycoming 59 W
F28 90 @Upsala 64 W
M12 68 !Grove City 45 W
M13 70 !Widener 64 W
M16 95 ^Shepherd-WV 78 W
M19 76 #Augustana-IL 65 W
M20 60 !Wittenberg-OH 57(OT)W

This game was against Coach K; he's only 1-1 vs Scranton as a coach, an OT win in '77 and this loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
 A lot of turnovers in the Susquehanna-Scranton game last night on both sides, mostly bad passes. Neither coach should be happy that they're still happening this late in the season. On the positive side for the Royals, Ethan had a solid game, 3-pt and foul shooting, took it to the hoop to draw 2 of the foul shots, and made a good backdoor cut that failed when the Royal with the ball fumbled his attempt to get it to him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 11, 2016, 06:59:31 PM
Thanks ronk what a schedule.I know d3hoops gets excited when someone beats a d1 school but could you imagine that ride with those Royals had to be electrifying those years.Beating coach K was great how many d3 coaches have beaten the master of the game.Bessior is one
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2016, 07:33:25 PM
They should name the court after him already.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2016, 09:38:24 PM
Here's hoping Bess comes out in the purple tux he wore down at Wilkes when he was going for win # 500.
All he'll need is Purple Haze blaring in the background.

NEPA:
Absolutely correct.
Bob Bessoir court at the Long Center is already about 4 years late.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2016, 11:46:25 PM
 '76 Final 4 MVP Jack Maher is a professor in the business school @ Virginia Tech and taught my son in the early '90s. Coincidentally, George Clum, Scranton's center in '63, the season I played, is also a prof there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 12, 2016, 01:43:04 AM
So this isn't Landmark related, but I was watching Hoopsville last night and the closing segment on little Green Mountain College in Vermont may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard related to D3 sports. Congrats D-Mac. You got me to find the Vice Sports article and read it (I felt like I needed a shower afterwards).

If anyone cares I just Googled: Vice news Green Mountain. The article is titled "Win Anyways." If you ever wanted to know how someone who was recruited by Gary Williams to play at Univ. of Maryland ends up at an agricultural school of just over 500 students in Vermont this is the read for you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2016, 01:54:37 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 12, 2016, 01:43:04 AM
So this isn't Landmark related, but I was watching Hoopsville last night and the closing segment on little Green Mountain College in Vermont may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard related to D3 sports. Congrats D-Mac. You got me to find the Vice Sports article and read it (I felt like I needed a shower afterwards).

If anyone cares I just Googled: Vice news Green Mountain. The article is titled "Win Anyways." If you ever wanted to know how someone who was recruited by Gary Williams to play at Univ. of Maryland ends up at an agricultural school of just over 500 students in Vermont this is the read for you.

Tempting but I think I'll go to bed, instead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2016, 01:54:37 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 12, 2016, 01:43:04 AM
So this isn't Landmark related, but I was watching Hoopsville last night and the closing segment on little Green Mountain College in Vermont may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard related to D3 sports. Congrats D-Mac. You got me to find the Vice Sports article and read it (I felt like I needed a shower afterwards).

If anyone cares I just Googled: Vice news Green Mountain. The article is titled "Win Anyways." If you ever wanted to know how someone who was recruited by Gary Williams to play at Univ. of Maryland ends up at an agricultural school of just over 500 students in Vermont this is the read for you.

Tempting but I think I'll go to bed, instead.

You might want to read it.  They had a guy playing first semester who had already graduated from Shenandoah - well, I'm not sure he graduated, but he had a senior day for basketball.  He did only play three years, which might've been what they were trying to pull off, but he was clearly not eligible.

It is a pretty poorly written article, though, especially for vice standards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2016, 10:12:51 AM
     23 Jan 2016 Dirt

I can confirm that Anthony Leonelli is out as the head coach at DIII Green Mountain College (VT).  He has been replaced by assistant coach Chris Pagentine on an interim basis.  According to a great source, Leonelli was dismissed for "unsatisfactory performance and insubordination."  At the time of his dismissal, Leonelli's squad was 10 and 4 – a great start to the season considering the program had won 20 total games in the previous five years combined. My source tells me that the "insubordination" was standing up for his players against the administration. It has been a crazy time up at GMC recently, as the AD was also released a few weeks ago.  I have heard that Green Mountain has also been having compliance issues but Leonelli had previously been cleared in those matters.  More on this when it becomes official.


http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-leonelli-out-at-green-mountain/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
For the record, I believe that HoopDirt info comes directly from Anthony Leonelli who is trying, despite admitting to insubordination, to cover up why he was truly fired. He has pointed to that article as his "defense" on Twitter where he is bragging about the program they had put together and why he was unfairly fired. It is taking everything in me not to Tweet back at him and have at it. I started to, sent the tweet, and then later deleted it before he could respond. However, Pat has been a little more kind with his gloves with the guy.

Yes, it makes you want to take a shower. There is no room in this division for crap like that. By the way, I am not so sure many of his claims are true, either. Recruited to play for Gary Williams? Then you would think he would have played somewhere and yet, some of us can't find any stats for him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 12, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
For the record, I believe that HoopDirt info comes directly from Anthony Leonelli who is trying, despite admitting to insubordination, to cover up why he was truly fired. He has pointed to that article as his "defense" on Twitter where he is bragging about the program they had put together and why he was unfairly fired. It is taking everything in me not to Tweet back at him and have at it. I started to, sent the tweet, and then later deleted it before he could respond. However, Pat has been a little more kind with his gloves with the guy.

Yes, it makes you want to take a shower. There is no room in this division for crap like that. By the way, I am not so sure many of his claims are true, either. Recruited to play for Gary Williams? Then you would think he would have played somewhere and yet, some of us can't find any stats for him.

I obviously can't comment on the quality of the writing in the Vice article, but I found it amusing that the tone of the article seems to just be describing what it's like trying to recruit players to a small college and try to win games. I didn't read it like the author thought anything suspect was going on.

As for the guy who was recruited to Maryland, he played for them for 2 seasons (2010-11, 2011-12) and then transferred to a NAIA school in Kentucky. I did see his stats from his time at Maryland.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 04:42:54 PM
I think I am confusing two people then...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 12, 2016, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 04:42:54 PM
I think I am confusing two people then...

I just focused in on the guy from Maryland. He isn't one of the ineligible ones. This may be a too broad a statement, but personally I'm always very wary of these tiny little schools with no basketball history to speak of who pop up out of nowhere. I think certain kinds of young coaches who want to move up quickly see schools like that as a testing ground.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2016, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
For the record, I believe that HoopDirt info comes directly from Anthony Leonelli who is trying, despite admitting to insubordination, to cover up why he was truly fired. He has pointed to that article as his "defense" on Twitter where he is bragging about the program they had put together and why he was unfairly fired. It is taking everything in me not to Tweet back at him and have at it. I started to, sent the tweet, and then later deleted it before he could respond. However, Pat has been a little more kind with his gloves with the guy.

Well, he clearly has HoopDirt on his side so it's not a good idea to have the argument because HD has a big audience and is willing to parrot his side of the story. Makes sense considering HD was started by a D3 New England coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2016, 09:45:42 PM
I learned today that he may not be the direct source for HD... but I will leave it at that. Learned a lot more behind the scenes today that I am still processing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2016, 10:45:58 PM
After today's action: Susquehanna joins Catholic and Scranton to clinch conference playoff spots; 4th spot 1 of                         Drew, Juniata, and MMA

My personal standings for playoff contention:

Catholic        -  +2
Susquehanna - +2
Scranton          - 0
Juniata            - -2
MMA               - -3
Drew               - -3

Big games next week:

Jun-Catholic     Sat     
Scr-Catholic     Sat      Bye: Drew  Winner MAY avoid the 4-hour bus trip for the semifinal playoff between them

Projected final standings

Sus              13-3
Catholic        13-3
Scr                11-5
Jun                 9-7
MMA               8-8
Drew              8-8

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 13, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
Reality check for Goucher in Scranton today bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 12:13:13 PM
Reality check? Do you really think Goucher has been full of themselves or doing something well above expectations? They are 9-14 overall and 5-9 in the Landmark. They have won more than eight games for the second time since 2005 and that was the last time they had a winning record! Reality check? It is a new coach with a team that doesn't know how to win. I really don't understand why a comment like that - and yes, I am wearing my alma mater hat, partially, here. The only thing yesterday did was officially knock them out of the playoffs, but they are in seventh. Not sure what reality you thought they were living in that was checked yesterday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2016, 12:33:01 PM
No purple tux for Bess, but sounds like a nice day all around for the Royals. Hopefully a few recruits were in the building to see what a winning program looks like.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 14, 2016, 01:55:33 PM
Dave we could agree to disagree!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 14, 2016, 01:55:33 PM
Dave we could agree to disagree!!!

Did you have high expectations?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 14, 2016, 06:24:52 PM
Why would I have high hopes about Goucher?I had high hopes for Scranton women and you came on here and made your voice heard how they screwed it up from the beginning.I was just stating facts just like you did bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 06:39:46 PM
Well if you didn't have high hopes... I am a little confused how they had a reality check than at Scranton yesterday... I don't see any "facts" that back up anything you said. Apparently I made the mistake for falling for your trolling efforts. Lesson learned.

As for Scranton... my opinions were made before they made a hire and I have talked extensively about them. You are welcome to continue grinding your ax, but it isn't going to get you any place - it certainly isn't going to get me to change what I said six months ago since I said it six months ago. I thought then, and I currently think, they handled it poorly. I think they have been saved by bringing in Dave Martin who brought in, kind of, Trevor Woodruff. If you have read the boards, you will see I have stated this often - even stated it on Hoopsville. That decision doesn't change how I felt it was working out at the beginning - or middle. And while I know Trevor is working hard at recruiting, I do worry they will have a bit of a lull. Nothing I have said have I shied away with. Furthermore, I have talked about it in the women's chat. So if you want to grind that ax over there, be my guest...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 07:01:22 PM
So now that we're entering the final week of the season, does anyone have any thoughts on Coach of the Year? Up until a few weeks ago I would have safely bet on Curley (Juniata) or Keckler (Drew). Both were in much better position for the conference tournament then and both were looking to make real improvements from their records last year. No team has vastly outperformed where they were picked in the pre-season in terms of league position.

Drew could still finish a game better than last season and the league is much deeper this season than last. Also, Drew is down two starters from last season and they did have some injury problems earlier this season.

Or maybe Coach Marcinek is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2016, 07:33:54 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 07:01:22 PM
So now that we're entering the final week of the season, does anyone have any thoughts on Coach of the Year? Up until a few weeks ago I would have safely bet on Curley (Juniata) or Keckler (Drew). Both were in much better position for the conference tournament then and both were looking to make real improvements from their records last year. No team has vastly outperformed where they were picked in the pre-season in terms of league position.

Drew could still finish a game better than last season and the league is much deeper this season than last. Also, Drew is down two starters from last season and they did have some injury problems earlier this season.

Or maybe Coach Marcinek is the obvious choice.

I agree, so let's see how it plays out from here. Is there any frosh who has stood out? It's been a relatively underwhelming class.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
I like Coach Marcinek despite the fact they are positioned about where everyone thought they would finish. They have been the story of this conference this year. I will admit, I didn't think ultimately they would actually finish second... and to be undefeated and leading for so long is very impressive.

As for a freshman, I was hoping Goucher's Mychal Stefanides might surprise and impress, but it doesn't seem he can keep consistent. No surprise to be honest, but maybe he has been better on the road than I realize. Otherwise, I haven't seen a freshman jump off the table to me. Granted, I have two teams yet to see and will see this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
For freshman, the only candidates I can see are Oneil Holder, Jimmy Murray (both Moravian), and Brandon Martinazzi (Juniata). I'm pretty sure they're the only freshman who are averaging at least 10 ppg. in league play.

Holder (my choice): 14.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 51.6% FG in conference play. He had a big game in Catholic's first meeting with Moravian (20 pts, 10 reb). Catholic did better with him in the 2nd meeting, but he seems like he could end up being a really good player.

Murray: 14.9 ppg, 36.4% 3pt FG in conference play. He and Holder have both started every game they've played in for Moravian. Best FT shooter in the league and it isn't close (43-45).

Martinazzi: 10.1 ppg, 46.8% 3pt FG in conference play. Doesn't start, but plays 20 minutes a game.

I think this freshman class seems underwhelming because none of the top teams have freshmen really standing out. Moravian has been around the bottom all year, but 3 of their top 4 scorers are freshmen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
For freshman, the only candidates I can see are Oneil Holder, Jimmy Murray (both Moravian), and Brandon Martinazzi (Juniata). I'm pretty sure they're the only freshman who are averaging at least 10 ppg. in league play.

Holder (my choice): 14.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 51.6% FG in conference play. He had a big game in Catholic's first meeting with Moravian (20 pts, 10 reb). Catholic did better with him in the 2nd meeting, but he seems like he could end up being a really good player.

Murray: 14.9 ppg, 36.4% 3pt FG in conference play. He and Holder have both started every game they've played in for Moravian. Best FT shooter in the league and it isn't close (43-45).

Martinazzi: 10.1 ppg, 46.8% 3pt FG in conference play. Doesn't start, but plays 20 minutes a game.

I think this freshman class seems underwhelming because none of the top teams have freshmen really standing out. Moravian has been around the bottom all year, but 3 of their top 4 scorers are freshmen.

Again, I agree with your choices and, for the 1st Catholic-Scranton game only, Andre Mitchell played that well. Scranton has a frosh that, by his high school video, looked like he was going to have an impact but he hasn't played 10 mins for the whole season.
  Without a good class each year, the conference will be sliding back relative to D3 as a whole. There's probably more than 1 NESCAC team with a better frosh class than the whole Landmark class. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Not to be mean, but I am not sure the Landmark can slide back much further without sliding into a not-so-nice level of D3. They are in the middle of the middle group, I would think. I just can't get impressed with this conference on the whole. Maybe I am just too tired right now (just getting off the air), but this conference hasn't really lived up to the expectations when it was formed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Not to be mean, but I am not sure the Landmark can slide back much further without sliding into a not-so-nice level of D3. They are in the middle of the middle group, I would think. I just can't get impressed with this conference on the whole. Maybe I am just too tired right now (just getting off the air), but this conference hasn't really lived up to the expectations when it was formed.


Out of conference record has the landmark as the strongest conference in the mid Atlantic. Not sure what or who you are dissapointed with.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 14, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
For freshman, the only candidates I can see are Oneil Holder, Jimmy Murray (both Moravian), and Brandon Martinazzi (Juniata). I'm pretty sure they're the only freshman who are averaging at least 10 ppg. in league play.

Holder (my choice): 14.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 51.6% FG in conference play. He had a big game in Catholic's first meeting with Moravian (20 pts, 10 reb). Catholic did better with him in the 2nd meeting, but he seems like he could end up being a really good player.

Murray: 14.9 ppg, 36.4% 3pt FG in conference play. He and Holder have both started every game they've played in for Moravian. Best FT shooter in the league and it isn't close (43-45).

Martinazzi: 10.1 ppg, 46.8% 3pt FG in conference play. Doesn't start, but plays 20 minutes a game.

I think this freshman class seems underwhelming because none of the top teams have freshmen really standing out. Moravian has been around the bottom all year, but 3 of their top 4 scorers are freshmen.

Again, I agree with your choices and, for the 1st Catholic-Scranton game only, Andre Mitchell played that well. Scranton has a frosh that, by his high school video, looked like he was going to have an impact but he hasn't played 10 mins for the whole season.
  Without a good class each year, the conference will be sliding back relative to D3 as a whole. There's probably more than 1 NESCAC team with a better frosh class than the whole Landmark class.

I believe Mitchell will become a good player, but that will depend on how much shooting work he does in the offseason, because his outside shot needs a lot of work. But I do like him quite a bit. Catholic has another freshman that has hardly played at all this season that I've heard the coaching staff is very high on. Of course, if that is true I don't know why he's being kept in mothballs this season. There are other guys on Catholics bench who I'm convinced could be pretty good, but they never get a chance and some will probably leave in the offseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 14, 2016, 11:45:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Not to be mean, but I am not sure the Landmark can slide back much further without sliding into a not-so-nice level of D3. They are in the middle of the middle group, I would think. I just can't get impressed with this conference on the whole. Maybe I am just too tired right now (just getting off the air), but this conference hasn't really lived up to the expectations when it was formed.

If I wanted to be pessimistic about the league, I could point out the firepower the league is losing this season:
Brendan Boken: 1,810 career points (will leave as the league's career scoring leader. Catholic's Jason Banzhaf is the current leader with 1,822 career points)

Mike Klinger: 1,611 career points

Bryson Fonville: 1,532 career points

Brandon Hedley: 1,407 career points

What the league was supposed to be I'll leave to people who are associated with the schools and within Division III. Were consistent deep NCAA Tournament runs expected? I don't see many teams in the league set up for that kind of year in-year out contention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2016, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Not to be mean, but I am not sure the Landmark can slide back much further without sliding into a not-so-nice level of D3. They are in the middle of the middle group, I would think. I just can't get impressed with this conference on the whole. Maybe I am just too tired right now (just getting off the air), but this conference hasn't really lived up to the expectations when it was formed.


Out of conference record has the landmark as the strongest conference in the mid Atlantic. Not sure what or who you are dissapointed with.

Could you source that?

Out of conference record straight up is a nice thing to look at, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

The Landmark out of conference record is: 49-29 (.628)

But that doesn't come close to telling the entire story. Here is the entire out-of-conference breakdown of the entire conference:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TeamWinsRecordLossesRecord
SusquehannaMisericordia
PSU-Wilkes Barre
King's
Lycoming
PSU-Harrisburg
Trinity (Conn.)
Apprentice School
Johns Hopkins
Albright
13 - 10
9 - 12
11 - 12
16 - 8
12 - 11
18 - 6
11 - 9
11 - 11
10 - 14
- none -
(9)111 - 204 (.352)(0)


CatholicNeumann
La Roche
Wesley
St. Vincent
Dickinson
Waynesburg
Williams
17 - 6
10 - 13
8 - 15
17 - 6
11 - 12
9 - 13
15 - 9
Marietta
Washington and Lee
21 - 2
10 - 13
(7)87 - 74 (.540)(2)31 - 15 (.674)


ScrantonBryn Athyn
Ursinus
Ithaca
King's
Wilkes
Stevenson
Christopher Newport
5 - 18
10 - 11
13 - 10
11 - 12
11 - 12
9 - 14
22 - 1
Hobart10 - 13
(7)81 - 78 (.509)(1)10 - 13 (.435)


JuniataAllegheny
Cazenovia
PSU-Altoona
Washington & Jefferson
Marymount
PSU-York
Pitt-Bradford
3 - 20
10 - 12
7 - 14
1 - 22
10 - 13
11 - 11
9 - 14
Randolph
Eastern
13 - 10
11 - 12
(7)51 - 106 (.325)(2)24 - 22 (.522)


DrewSUNY Potsdam
Wilkes
Mount Aloysius
1 - 21
11 - 12
6 - 17
William Paterson
Stevens
King's
FDU-Florham
Rutgers-Newark
Widener
12 - 12
10 - 12
11 - 12
5 - 18
18 - 6
12 - 11
(3)18 - 52 (.257)(6)68 - 71 (.489)


Merchant MarineSUNY-Maritime
Maine Maritime
John Jay
Hunter
Trinity (Conn.)
7 - 16
4 - 19
3 - 22
3 - 21
18 - 6
Stony Brook
Coast Guard
CCNY
Rutgers-Camden
22 - 4
10 - 12
12 - 11
3 - 21
(5)35 - 84 (.294)(4)47 - 48 (.495)


GoucherRIT
Stevenson
PSU-Kensington
Hood
11 - 11
9 - 14
7 - 15
12 - 11
Case Western Reserve
Navy
Mount Aloysius
Lynchburg
Gallaudet
10 - 12
18 - 9
6 - 17
17 - 6
14 - 6
(4)39 - 51 (.433)(5)65 - 50 (.565)


MoravianSUNY-Old Westbury
Lebanon Valley
Haverford
PSU-Lehigh Valley
John Jay
15 - 7
14 - 9
4 - 18
2 - 18
3 - 22
Centenary (N.J.)
NYU
DeSales
11 - 10
18 - 4
17 - 6
(5)38 - 74 (.339)(3)46 - 20 (.697)


ElizabethtownWilkes
Franciscan
11 - 12
1 - 21
Franklin & Marshall
Manhattanville
Lancaster Bible
Washington College
William Peace
Delaware Valley
18 - 4
13 - 10
22 - 0
3 - 20
9 - 14
17 - 6
(2)12 - 33 (.267)(6)82 - 54 (.603)

Just take a look at most of those records:
The conference record against the teams they beat: 433-756 (.364)
The conference record against the teams they lost: 373-293 (.560)
The overall record of their opponents: 806-1,049 (.435)

So they were 49-29 against a .425 schedule.

But it also gets weird, the conference is worse when you remove the non-Division III opponents! The conference was 44-27 (.620) against only Division III opponents.

It gets crazier, the conference record against ONLY Division III opponents they beat: 393-391 (.501) - a major increase (when the conference won non-D3 games, they beat really bad teams).
The conference record against ONLY Division III opponents they lost: 42-41 (.506) - a major decrease (the non-D3 schools they lost to were all really good - like pay-to-play games like Goucher at Navy).
The overall conference record against ONLY Division III opponents: 435-432 (.502) - also an increase, but because the dead-weight non-D3 games are removed.

Ironically, the overall numbers allow the Landmark to have a gaudy out-of-conference record and Massey likes them 20th, but when you stick to just Division III, it isn't gaudy and I bet Massey wouldn't rank them as high (though, hard to determine that since Massey can't stick to just Division III in the formula).

I am not sure what the rest of the Region has, but this isn't something to write home about. They have maybe two or three significant wins on that ENTIRE resume (Christopher Newport and Trinity).

But lastly, because it was brought up which I was going to do anyway, the conference hasn't exactly shown up when the light it he brightest. We can go round and round about NCAA Tournament play, but outside of one year which included a few breaks, this conference hasn't performed when it mattered the most. There is no consistency in season or in the NCAA tournament. The out-of-conference schedule leaves something to be desired despite the record
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2016, 01:36:00 AM
Susquehanna's opponent record is 111-93, not 111-204; there were 204 total games, not losses; your major point still stands, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
I want to talk about conference performance. These are the overall records of each team in Landmark play since 2007-08 (results through 2/13/16):

Scranton: 100-29 (.775); won at least 10 league games in every season
Catholic: 83-44 (.654); finished at least .500 in conference 8 times
Susquehanna: 80-47 (.630); finished at least .500 in conference 8 times
USMMA: 69-58 (.543); finished at least .500 in conference 6 times
Juniata: 61-67 (.477); finished at least .500 in conference 3 times
Moravian: 46-82 (.359); finished at least .500 in conference 2 times
Drew: 46-83 (.357); finished at least .500 in conference 1 time
Goucher: 35-93 (.273); no seasons of at least .500 in conference
E-Town: 7-22 (.241); no seasons of at least .500 in conference

Only 4 teams have a winning conference record and 1 of them is leaving after this season. Moravian, Drew, Goucher, and E-Town are consistently at the bottom of the league. Juniata is solidly in the middle. Catholic and Susquehanna can't separate from each other to decide which team is 2nd best, much less make up ground on Scranton, who is well ahead of everyone.   

In terms of out-of-conference scheduling leaving a lot to be desired, I think that should be evaluated case-by-case. What incentive is there for some of these schools to go out and schedule tough? Not to be indelicate, but it seems plainly obvious that a decent percentage of teams in the conference aren't capable (lack of resources or other factors) of contending for NCAA Tournament berths year-to-year. Could the top teams do a better job in the non-conference? Most likely.

In terms of the NCAA Tournament results, Scranton fans can speak to which seasons they should've gone further and which seasons they went as far as they could. From a CUA point of view, the team went as far as it could in both 2012-13 and 2014-15. This is no longer a program that can realistically be looking to deep tournament runs as the measuring stick for success year-to-year. Just making the tournament is pretty good these days. MMA and Moravian each had an outlier season that got them to the tournament.

My overall point is that I think the league has been pretty consistent in how it performs year-to-year. From an outside perspective, it seems no school has any real issues with results in NCAA Tournament play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2016, 10:23:15 AM
Posted by Hopefan in the D3 vs D1/D2.etc thread on 27 January. On paper looks good to me....subjectively when is the last time the MAC Freedom or Commonwealth got two teams in the dance?  I am not sure how the Landmark has under performed....


D3 vs D3 Non Conference.....  remember, I include the 4 Independent D3 provisionals as non D3 so as not to skew the results here

1   NESCAC      95   34   0.736
2   UAA      59   25   0.702
3   MIAC      35   17   0.673
4   NCAC      40   20   0.667
5   CCIW      55   30   0.647
6   Landmark      43   25   0.632
7   NWC      36   21   0.632
8   SUNY      41   24   0.631
9   USAC      54   35   0.607
10   OAC      38   25   0.603
11   ODAC      59   40   0.596
12   WIAC      46   32   0.590
13   CAC      38   28   0.576
14   Newmac      46   34   0.575
15   SCAC      43   33   0.566
16   LEC      46   36   0.561
17   MACF      43   35   0.551
18   NACC      26   22   0.542
19   MIAA      36   31   0.537
20   MACC      41   36   0.532
21   NJAC      34   30   0.531
22   IIAC      35   32   0.522
23   CC      34   33   0.507
24   E8      37   39   0.487
25   MWC      22   24   0.478
26   SCIAC      22   24   0.478
27   ASC      47   54   0.465
28   CCC      31   37   0.456
29   CUNY      34   41   0.453
30   LL      33   40   0.452
31   Mascac      36   48   0.429
32   GNAC      27   37   0.422
33   Independents      34   55   0.382
34   SAA      30   51   0.370
35   AMCC      19   38   0.333
36   HCAC      18   38   0.321
37   UMAC      18   38   0.321
38   NECC      22   47   0.319
39   NAC      20   43   0.317
40   Sky      14   34   0.292
41   CSAC      17   43   0.283
42   PrAC      16   45   0.262
43   SLIAC      11   36   0.234
44   NEAC      16   57   0.219
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 15, 2016, 10:54:33 AM
 I hope all in attendance at the Long Center enjoyed the commemorative celebration of the '76 Royals like I did on Saturday... Here's a  special shout-out and thanks to JK, aka Kel-Bo, who was  behind the scenes getting the old guard together....Even half of the Brooklyn zoo, Gopher, was there. Too bad the other half, "Pigeon", didn't make it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2016, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
I want to talk about conference performance. These are the overall records of each team in Landmark play since 2007-08 (results through 2/13/16):

Scranton: 100-29 (.775); won at least 10 league games in every season
Catholic: 83-44 (.654); finished at least .500 in conference 8 times
Susquehanna: 80-47 (.630); finished at least .500 in conference 8 times
USMMA: 69-58 (.543); finished at least .500 in conference 6 times
Juniata: 61-67 (.477); finished at least .500 in conference 3 times
Moravian: 46-82 (.359); finished at least .500 in conference 2 times
Drew: 46-83 (.357); finished at least .500 in conference 1 time
Goucher: 35-93 (.273); no seasons of at least .500 in conference
E-Town: 7-22 (.241); no seasons of at least .500 in conference

Only 4 teams have a winning conference record and 1 of them is leaving after this season. Moravian, Drew, Goucher, and E-Town are consistently at the bottom of the league. Juniata is solidly in the middle. Catholic and Susquehanna can't separate from each other to decide which team is 2nd best, much less make up ground on Scranton, who is well ahead of everyone.   

In terms of out-of-conference scheduling leaving a lot to be desired, I think that should be evaluated case-by-case. What incentive is there for some of these schools to go out and schedule tough? Not to be indelicate, but it seems plainly obvious that a decent percentage of teams in the conference aren't capable (lack of resources or other factors) of contending for NCAA Tournament berths year-to-year. Could the top teams do a better job in the non-conference? Most likely.

In terms of the NCAA Tournament results, Scranton fans can speak to which seasons they should've gone further and which seasons they went as far as they could. From a CUA point of view, the team went as far as it could in both 2012-13 and 2014-15. This is no longer a program that can realistically be looking to deep tournament runs as the measuring stick for success year-to-year. Just making the tournament is pretty good these days. MMA and Moravian each had an outlier season that got them to the tournament.

My overall point is that I think the league has been pretty consistent in how it performs year-to-year. From an outside perspective, it seems no school has any real issues with results in NCAA Tournament play.

This team had an unfortunate break in the NCAA with 1 star being held of the 2nd? round and the other injured during the game and unable to continue; they were a good possibility to go farther, otherwise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 04:38:19 PM
Ah yes, if only Chris Kearney doesn't get hurt in the 2nd half against Williams. If only Shawn Holmes keeps it together for one more week. No CUA team of the last 20 years relied on the starters as much as that 2012-13 team did, and of course in the final game of the season they have to play without two of them.

My feeling on that game has always been that if Holmes played, Williams would've won much more easily than they did. Steve Limberiou doesn't have his best ever game in a CUA uniform if Holmes plays. Fonville doesn't play with the freedom he did if Holmes plays. I saw a bit of Williams' practice the day before the game and they were very much focusing on stopping Holmes.

With both teams fully fit, Williams was still better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
Looks like Juniata pretty much locked up the final playoff spot with MMA losing at Moravian 87-77. Watched the 2nd half of this one. Moravian didn't have too much trouble.

Also watched a few minutes of Scranton-Cabrini. Looks like Ethan Danzig is starting to come along.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
 Royals and Ethan shoot very well in defeating Cabrini; still too many bad passes but Cabrini's pressure and defensive quickness had a lot to do with it. Cabrini had numerous traveling and boundary line violations to prevent them from regaining the lead.
  All remaining games for Drew, Juniata, and MMA are on the road. Possibility for a 3-way tie, but most likely is Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2016, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 15, 2016, 01:36:00 AM
Susquehanna's opponent record is 111-93, not 111-204; there were 204 total games, not losses; your major point still stands, though.

Yep - typo that didn't affect the math. I was doing that pretty late after a LONG Hoopsville show. The 204 is me adding 111 and 93 for some reason - so you got the total not the losses. LOL Sorry about that. But luckily it didn't screw up the entire thing. SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2016, 08:21:20 AM
Ethan with a school record 9 3 pointers. Three top landmark teams all have top 25 votes..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
Looks like Juniata pretty much locked up the final playoff spot with MMA losing at Moravian 87-77. Watched the 2nd half of this one. Moravian didn't have too much trouble.

Also watched a few minutes of Scranton-Cabrini. Looks like Ethan Danzig is starting to come along.

Juniata needs to beat Catholic.  Drew has been on a losing streak, but if they win their last game and Juniata loses at Catholic, then Drew's going to get in - they've got the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2016, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
Looks like Juniata pretty much locked up the final playoff spot with MMA losing at Moravian 87-77. Watched the 2nd half of this one. Moravian didn't have too much trouble.

Also watched a few minutes of Scranton-Cabrini. Looks like Ethan Danzig is starting to come along.

Juniata needs to beat Catholic.  Drew has been on a losing streak, but if they win their last game and Juniata loses at Catholic, then Drew's going to get in - they've got the tiebreaker.

No, Juniata will get it if they win @ Moravian, whether or not they beat Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 10:33:21 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 16, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2016, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 15, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
Looks like Juniata pretty much locked up the final playoff spot with MMA losing at Moravian 87-77. Watched the 2nd half of this one. Moravian didn't have too much trouble.

Also watched a few minutes of Scranton-Cabrini. Looks like Ethan Danzig is starting to come along.

Juniata needs to beat Catholic.  Drew has been on a losing streak, but if they win their last game and Juniata loses at Catholic, then Drew's going to get in - they've got the tiebreaker.

No, Juniata will get it if they win @ Moravian, whether or not they beat Catholic.

True enough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 16, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
It would be really nice if Goucher beats Susquehanna tomorrow night.I will be checking that score while watching Lady Royals at Merchant Marine.Go Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2016, 08:49:15 PM
No help for us San Juan. At least you got a Lady Royals victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2016, 09:38:01 PM
Catholic never trails tonight against Juniata, jumping out to a 29-4 lead, en route to an 83-60 win. For the first 10 minutes or so that was the best Catholic had played in weeks. The effort level really dropped after that and Catholic just kinda ran the clock out. It's too bad Catholic can't seem to play like those first 10 minutes in anything more than spurts.

Special mention for junior guard Louis Khouri. He started tonight for the 2nd time this season and scored 24 points, going 7-8 from deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
 After tonight's action, Catholic and Susquehanna join Scranton in the 1st 3 seeds, MMA is eliminated by Drew victory(tiebreaker), Juniata is 4th seed with a victory over Moravian Saturday; otherwise, Drew is 4th(head-to-head, 2-way or 3-way tie)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2016, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 17, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
After tonight's action, Catholic and Susquehanna join Scranton in the 1st 3 seeds, MMA is eliminated by Drew victory(tiebreaker), Juniata is 4th seed with a victory over Moravian Saturday; otherwise, Drew is 4th(head-to-head, 2-way or 3-way tie)

The gap between 3rd and 4th won't be as wide as last season, but the top 3 have pulled away again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 18, 2016, 10:55:13 PM
With the season almost over, any thoughts on Player of the Year? I feel that Boken and Fonville have really separated themselves from everyone else. Fonville is having a better season this year than he did last year when he won, but I think Boken is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2016, 11:47:15 PM
POY - depends on whom one follows all season; Scranton fans can't believe anyone but Boken; however. we've only seen Fonville once this season; Catholic fans may feel vice versa.
Saturday's BIG game - Scranton @ Catholic; prize: avoiding a 4-hr trip Wed for the 1st round playoff game, assuming Susque wins Sat and Catholic Sun
  If Scranton wins with the above assumptions, then a tie for 2nd seed with 1st 2 tiebreakers unable to decide(head-to-head split and same record against each conference foe(splits with Susque and Juniata, double wins over Drew, split with MMA and doubles over everyone else)
  We need a Landmark tiebreaker expert to break the tie!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2016, 01:40:44 AM
I love the Landmark conference because they put their tiebreaking information and other stuff on their website - not hiding it like others do.

Anyway, you can find it here: http://landmarkconference.org/championships/tiebreakers

Here is how it reads:
1. Head-to-head record amongst all tied teams in contests that count toward the conference standings
2. Comparison of tied teams' records against remaining teams in conference standings in descending order (starting at No. 1)
3. Head-to-head results between and among all tied teams in all regular season contests (only if tied teams played the same amount of contests against other tied teams)
4. Head-to-head record against common non-conference opponents at same site
5. Head-to-head record against common non-conference opponents at different site
6. Road winning percentage in conference games (only if tied teams played the same number of away conference games)
7. Strength-of-schedule comparison, as it appears in the NCAA ranking process
8. NCAA Regional Rankings comparison, for the rankings available at the time of selection, with the highest ranked team earning the advantage (as long as all tied teams are ranked in the same region)
9. Coin flip (or similar random action)

So per that... I'll let you guys get into it. I honestly am not sure how they mean in rules 4 or 5... but I am also exhausted right now and need to get off my computer(s).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 19, 2016, 01:49:33 AM
Rule #3 seems a little wordy (probably just me), but it seems like it could fall to #6 (road record in-conference). If Catholic and Scranton both end at 12-4, with Catholic losing to Scranton and beating MMA, Scranton finishes 6-2 on the road in Landmark and Catholic finishes 5-3 on the road. That ups the stakes a bit more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2016, 01:57:18 AM
 That's my analysis, also. Makes the game more meaningful than just a better record for Pool C considerations. This has 8 hours of bus ride implications. ;D
Thanks, Dave for the tiebreaker info.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2016, 03:05:17 AM
So regardless looking like a rematch in the first round b/w Scranton and Catholic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2016, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2016, 03:05:17 AM
So regardless looking like a rematch in the first round b/w Scranton and Catholic?

No, if Sus and Catholic win out, Catholic would get 1st seed by beating Scranton twice while Sus split with Scranton; in that case, it would be Scranton @ Susquehanna in the 1st round. And there are a couple of other possible scenarios, if they don't win out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 04:02:36 PM

Catholic controls destiny now.  If they beat Merchant Marine, they get the #1 seed on tiebreakers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2016, 06:29:44 PM
In a high-stakes game, both teams played up to the occasion. I wasn't very optimistic at halftime. Scranton just did whatever they wanted offensively in the first half. Thankfully, Catholic was able to get Jay Howard into the game in the 2nd half and make a few defensive tweaks. No answer at all for Boken, he's unbelievable.

Catholic put a ton into this game today. It'll be interesting how much of a letdown there is tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2016, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2016, 06:29:44 PM
In a high-stakes game, both teams played up to the occasion. I wasn't very optimistic at halftime. Scranton just did whatever they wanted offensively in the first half. Thankfully, Catholic was able to get Jay Howard into the game in the 2nd half and make a few defensive tweaks. No answer at all for Boken, he's unbelievable.

Catholic put a ton into this game today. It'll be interesting how much of a letdown there is tomorrow.

If u don't win tomorrow, we get to do it again on Wed. Too bad the ref inserted himself into the game by T'ing up Vitkus for taunting after the dunk; 2 points when Scranton was up 3 and fouling him out. Vitkus wasn't blameless; he should't have given the ref the opportunity to make the game about himself instead of the players. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2016, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2016, 06:29:44 PM
In a high-stakes game, both teams played up to the occasion. I wasn't very optimistic at halftime. Scranton just did whatever they wanted offensively in the first half. Thankfully, Catholic was able to get Jay Howard into the game in the 2nd half and make a few defensive tweaks. No answer at all for Boken, he's unbelievable.

Catholic put a ton into this game today. It'll be interesting how much of a letdown there is tomorrow.

If u don't win tomorrow, we get to do it again on Wed. Too bad the ref inserted himself into the game by T'ing up Vitkus for taunting after the dunk; 2 points when Scranton was up 3 and fouling him out. Vitkus wasn't blameless; he should't have given the ref the opportunity to make the game about himself instead of the players.

I didn't even see what Vitkus got T'd up for, whether he said something or gestured. Coach Danzig didn't seem to put up too much of a fight with the refs about the call. I admit I'd be beside myself if a CUA player got a T for that at that point in an emotional game. I get refs trying to stamp out "taunting", but recognize the stakes of the moment. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2016, 10:08:45 PM
I've been saying it for a long time but as each game gets bigger, Brenden steps up & meets the challenge head on.

Without a doubt, he is a FIRST TEAM All-American.

He scores, he rebounds, he gets assists & he makes everyone around him better.
And, on top of that, he's generally double teamed & has to play against kids taller & more physical game in & game out.

This is a kid that didn't score 100 points in HS & he's on the threshold of breaking the scoring record at Scranton that most fans & long time followers of the Royals said would never be broken.

He has made himself better each & every year, has developed a drop step that's unstoppable & is capable of scoring with the left or right hand.

I've been following the Royals for years & he is clearly in my Top 10 of all time Royal greats.

As for the Scranton coach not getting all over the ref for that putrid call...what else is new.
Not sure when or if I ever saw him defend one of his kids.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 20, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
Taunting l!!!!Worst officiating I ever seen.Start of the second half you saw everything change in Catholics way.Scranton had 2 fouls in 48 seconds and it was 7-2 after 4minutes into the game.The gentleman with the gray hair called 1 foul against Catholic and 8 against Scranton justified I guess and when I yelled to the refs about the fouls that hit Catholic with 4 straight hand checks should have been 40.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2016, 10:55:19 PM
 Forgot to mention that Catholic celebrated at halftime the 15th anniversary of their NCAA title in 2001. Current GW coach Mike Lonergan was among the celebrants. It comes 1 week after Scranton had their 1st of 2 NCAA champions back for the 40th anniversary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 21, 2016, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2016, 10:55:19 PM
Forgot to mention that Catholic celebrated at halftime the 15th anniversary of their NCAA title in 2001. Current GW coach Mike Lonergan was among the celebrants. It comes 1 week after Scranton had their 1st of 2 NCAA champions back for the 40th anniversary.

Thanks for mentioning this. It was good to see a decent part of that 2001 team again. Not a bad showing, considering today was a make-up date due to the snow in January. The school should never miss a chance to celebrate that team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2016, 01:30:28 AM
Quote from: San Juan on February 20, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
Taunting l!!!!Worst officiating I ever seen.Start of the second half you saw everything change in Catholics way.Scranton had 2 fouls in 48 seconds and it was 7-2 after 4minutes into the game.The gentleman with the gray hair called 1 foul against Catholic and 8 against Scranton justified I guess and when I yelled to the refs about the fouls that hit Catholic with 4 straight hand checks should have been 40.

Please.  The reason things changed in the 2nd half is because Catholic made a bunch of adjustments and started driving toward the basket.  In the first half Jay Howard was 2-5 with 6 points and 2 turnovers, and they were having a hard time getting him the ball in a position to score.  Catholic had 2 free throw attempts for the entire half.  They had 12 3 point attempts.   They were not going to win the game had that continued.   In the second half, they changed their approach and took it right to Scranton's bigs and started getting to the line.  None of those were especially close calls.  And then yes, the officials "evened things up" with a bunch of ticky tack stuff against Catholic and that was that.   There were a couple of block/charge calls that went against Catholic during that stretch too, one of which should have fouled out Vitkus because it would have been his 5th. 

It is unfortunate the taunting situation happened, and it certainly was a swing in the game, but it must have been pretty egregious because it wasn't exactly hotly disputed and there wasn't much debate about it.

The focus should be on the fact it was an excellent game, both squads gave it maximum effort and the game came down to a couple of possessions at the end.  One thing I cannot understand for the life of me is why Scranton doesn't rebound Boken's free throws.  Why do you to pull your players when you're down 1 and your guy is shooting to tie the game with :20 left, especially when that was his third miss of the game?  Instead, he does miss and Scranton doesn't even give themselves a chance to get the rebound.  For all of the other noise, Boken had 2 misses at the FT line in the last 2:16 which ended up being pretty significant.

Catholic obviously had a lot of trouble defending the post, and of course gave up a lot of size.  Austin Calling did a tremendous job coming off the bench and stabilizing the interior defense which was a game changer for Catholic in the 2nd half.  Offensively, I love what Louis Khouri brings to the table--he's a great shooter, but beyond that he is hustling on every play and trying to make something happened.  Nobody was working harder out there.

Its going to be tough tomorrow not to have a let down, but the stakes are still very high. 




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
Yes can someone with a higher basketball IQ let me knew why Danzig never puts anyone on the line to rebound free throws?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
No idea.
The only thing I can think of is that he's afraid of getting a cheap foul on a missed shot.
If that's the case, then work on sealing the inside player correctly.

For actual positive results, look at the games that have been won when the offensive team does get the rebound, kicks it out & then scores 2 or 3 on that extra possession.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 21, 2016, 12:49:24 PM
Please Matt Catholic were on there heels all night until that technical with about 3 minutes to go Scranton was up 71-68 and fonville hit the 2 free throws and Catholic also got the ball at half court from the T.Your lunatic coach should have been given a technical when Danzig called a timeout and was looking for an explanation on a foul and that is when your coach came to half court and start yelling because Carl looking for an explanation and that is when the assistants had to retain your coach from yelling and leaving the coaches box.Why does the Landmark allow Catholic the advantage of having 8 extra timeouts?That is a big advantage for the home team you have an advantage if you are down by 11 like Catholic was and never used 1 of the 5. Instead waited for the media/tv timeout or whatever they call it.One other thing there was an old gentleman standing in the doorway yelling at the Scranton bench yelling at coach and players as he is coaching and the gentleman in the yellow shirt never once went up and said anything to stop him from harassing the coach and players as the game is going on.In the ladies game Scranton just made it up from the locker room and Woodruff and Payonk were just walking in and the ref was going to T up coach because he was 5 seconds late coming up and refs started the game without our coach being there very classyCatholic and refs.As soon as the buzzer buzzed they didn't wait.So Trevor went to that gentleman in the yellow shirt and told him about the situation about not being able to get out of the locker room and they were arguing Trevor and that gentleman
when he came up so that is why he didnt get a technical.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2016, 04:08:26 PM
What?  Lot going on there...I think we'll just move on. 

Anyway, Catholic easily handled Merchant Marine today to lock up the #1 seed.  On we go to the playoffs. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2016, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 21, 2016, 12:49:24 PM
Why does the Landmark allow Catholic the advantage of having 8 extra timeouts?That is a big advantage for the home team you have an advantage if you are down by 11 like Catholic was and never used 1 of the 5. Instead waited for the media/tv timeout or whatever they call it.

There aren't an extra eight timeouts, that isn't how the system works... because when media timeouts are utilized, the regular timeouts are shifted to accomodate. For example, instead of 4 fulls (75 second) and 2 30 second timeouts like a normal game, a media timeout game has 3 30 second timeouts and one full (60 second) time outs AND you have to use one of those 30s in the first half or lose it at halftime.

Catholic and many other schools choose to use them for countless reasons... one of the chief ones being the media timeouts are utilized in the NCAA tournament for all rounds.

Scranton can use them if they so wish... so can every other conference team if they want. It isn't a conspiracy or anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 21, 2016, 05:31:10 PM
Lots of fouls and lots of walking back and forth to the free throw line today in DC. The game was very even for the first 10 minutes or so, but Catholic was able to put a good run together and lead by 14 at halftime. The 2nd half was pretty awful to watch. No flow or rhythm to the game, but the result was all that mattered today. A month ago there was no way I thought Catholic would be #1 going into the conference tournament, but they've played some nice ball lately.

CUA sophomore Jay Howard scored his 1,000th point today, one of only a handful of CUA players to do so in two years.

For MMA, senior David Smith had a huge game with 29 pts. I've always enjoyed watching him play and I'm glad to see him end his career with a good game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 21, 2016, 05:44:58 PM
Dave who said anything about conspiracy.Dave stop putting words in my mouth that is your problems I asked a question my friend read my post this will be my last time answering you.They get it at under 16,12,8,4 so what if it 30 seconds or a full it is a timeout pllus the 5 you get.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 21, 2016, 05:44:58 PM
Dave who said anything about conspiracy.Dave stop putting words in my mouth that is your problems I asked a question my friend read my post this will be my last time answering you.They get it at under 16,12,8,4 so what if it 30 seconds or a full it is a timeout pllus the 5 you get.

Juan.. that is the name of the game. Written in the rules. Completely allowed. What is your problem with it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2016, 12:41:59 AM
His problem is his team lost that particular game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 10:06:00 AM
Hey Matt?What did you finally come out of the box.First time I heard from you in two years.Typical Catholic fan just like the lady walking out of the gym saying to a Scranton fan have a nice freaking ride home like I said very classy.Good luck in the playoffs hopefully we meet again on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2016, 10:09:13 AM
Agreed, not noted enough that Boken barely scored at the High School level and if Scranton can get a few more games can break the all time scoring record. To be fair to Gene the Machine, he did it in three years vice four.


Saratoga , I know a few players that Danzig is very loyal to. If you catch my drift...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2016, 01:41:36 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 10:06:00 AM
Hey Matt?What did you finally come out of the box.First time I heard from you in two years.Typical Catholic fan just like the lady walking out of the gym saying to a Scranton fan have a nice freaking ride home like I said very classy.Good luck in the playoffs hopefully we meet again on Saturday.

I've got nothing but respect for the Scranton program (quite honestly some of the "Scranton" posters on here are much harder on their team than anyone else), and I think the vast majority of Catholic fans/alumni/staff feel the same way. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 10:06:00 AM
Hey Matt?What did you finally come out of the box.First time I heard from you in two years.Typical Catholic fan just like the lady walking out of the gym saying to a Scranton fan have a nice freaking ride home like I said very classy.Good luck in the playoffs hopefully we meet again on Saturday.

There isn't a fan base in the country for any sports in any level that doesn't have bad apples. If you are going to throw stones, you might want to look at your own fan base. I know even the Goucher fan base has bad apples. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Dave she didn't use the word freaking she used the f word by the way.My problem with all those time outs is this when Scranton was up by 11 he waited for the media timeout instead of burning one of the five you get he would at least used 3 of the 5 in the first half but in this case he didn't have to which means he would be left with two in the whole second half.So it was a very close game say that it came down to having no timeouts in the final 3 minute which he had it changes the game alot because after that Technical he called a time out and set his offense without those extra timeouts you wouldn't be able to do that.Dave name 4 teams in the Landmark that use that system.We are not divison 1 and is that shown on live TV or stream?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
You also said the ncaa is trying to speed up the game!My opinion is it makes it longer.I understand the reason Divison 1 does but come on d3.It is not like they are making millions of dollars Dave off of these media timeouts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 22, 2016, 10:48:33 PM
My take on the all-Landmark teams (stats are league-play only):

1st Team
Brendan Boken (Scranton): 23.1 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 56.0 FG%, 74.4 FT%, 16 blocks
Bryson Fonville (Catholic): 19.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.6 apg, 52.0 FG%, 50.0 3pt%, 27 steals
Josh Miller (Susquehanna): 17.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 56.1 FG%, 46.2 3pt%, 82.5 FT%, 14 blocks
Mike Klinger (Drew): 20.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.7 apg, 45.3 FG%, 34.1 3pt%, 80.9 FT%
Jay Howard (Catholic): 19.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.3 apg, 59.4 FG%, 68.0 FT%
Steven Weidlich (Susquehanna): 16.4 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 43.2 FG%, 38.7 3pt%, 22 steals

2nd Team
Kevin Herring II (Drew): 17.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 41.5 FG%, 38.1 3pt%, 87.7 FT%
Marcus Lee (Juniata): 17.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 53.0 FG%
David Smith (USMMA): 15.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 39.0 FG%, 37.1 3pt%, 75.7 FT%
Kevin Miles (Goucher): 15.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 42.9 FG%, 37.2 3pt%, 70.9 FT%
John Vitkus (Scranton): 13.1, 7.4 rpg, 66.4 FG%, 74.4 FT%, 35 blocks
Preston Padgett (USMMA): 12.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 43.5 FG%, 38.9 3pt%, 81.1 FT%

1st Team feels pretty solid. The guys fighting for 2nd Team all seemed pretty closely bunched so I won't be surprised if the real thing looks a bit different.

Player of the Year: Brendan Boken

Coaching Staff of the Year: Susquehanna

Defensive Player of the Year: John Vitkus (No one is close to him in blocked shots)

Freshman of the Year: Oneil Holder
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 22, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Hard to argue with those selections. The homer in me would like to see Marcus get on the first team over Klinger with JC making the playoffs, but either of the Drew guards seem deserving.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 22, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: BCannon on February 22, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Hard to argue with those selections. The homer in me would like to see Marcus get on the first team over Klinger with JC making the playoffs, but either of the Drew guards seem deserving.

I don't disagree with the argument of someone like Lee getting 1st Team over Klinger. I went with Klinger mainly because Drew was so dependent on him to score and keep them in games and they managed to finish 8-8. Lee's time is coming. He should definitely be a 1st teamer each of the next two seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2016, 11:08:56 AM
So is the Scranton-SU game and elimination game for the NCAA Tourney?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2016, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2016, 11:08:56 AM
So is the Scranton-SU game and elimination game for the NCAA Tourney?

No, if SU loses, they should still get in. Probably for Scranton, unless no multi-bid leagues are won by non-top 25 teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2016, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2016, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2016, 11:08:56 AM
So is the Scranton-SU game and elimination game for the NCAA Tourney?

No, if SU loses, they should still get in. Probably for Scranton, unless no multi-bid leagues are won by non-top 25 teams.

I don't know.  Scranton could still have a decent shot, even with a loss, especially if it gets their SOS over .550 - that's an impressive number.  Matt Snyder's rankings (which are usually about 98% correct) have them 27th overall in selection criteria - that's including every team.  Once you take the Pool A qualifiers out of there, even with a loss, I think they're on the bubble.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2016, 03:47:01 PM
Hoops Fan, where do you find Matt Snyder's rankings?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2016, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2016, 03:47:01 PM
Hoops Fan, where do you find Matt Snyder's rankings?


http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

They're updated through 2/21 right now.  He generally uses an RPI number to rank teams, which takes into account winning percentage and SOS.  He's been very accurate predicting teams into the tournament in recent years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2016, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Dave she didn't use the word freaking she used the f word by the way.

Jeez... if you want to start going through all the fan bases, I promise you they will each have bad apples and they will each have ones who do the same as this woman. I assure you, Scranton fans aren't angels either. I am sure there are Goucher fans who could cross the line with the best of them. Unfortunately, it is something I hate and wish fans could be better. But singling out a woman for swearing at someone when every single fan base has them - especially in emotionally charged games - is pointless. It just seems like you are grasping at straws to try and claim Catholic is a horrible place or their fans are horrible. If they exist everywhere, then they are all horrible, I guess.

Quote from: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
My problem with all those time outs is this when Scranton was up by 11 he waited for the media timeout instead of burning one of the five you get he would at least used 3 of the 5 in the first half but in this case he didn't have to which means he would be left with two in the whole second half.So it was a very close game say that it came down to having no timeouts in the final 3 minute which he had it changes the game alot because after that Technical he called a time out and set his offense without those extra timeouts you wouldn't be able to do that.Dave name 4 teams in the Landmark that use that system.We are not divison 1 and is that shown on live TV or stream?

You have a problem that a coach made a smart move and was tactfully smart? Just because there are media timeouts doesn't mean the game is affected by them. In your opinion, he resisted calling a timeout when you thought he should call one because a TV timeout was coming. It is a double-edge sword. He might wait and the run of the game doesn't dictate a break in the action for minutes and all of the sudden the situation is worse. I have actually seen situations, in Division III and Division I, where the run of play forced back-to-back media timeouts on back-to-back whistles because they blew threw four-plus minutes of play (the under 12 was missed because there was no whistle between 12:30 and 7:55 - thus two media timeouts back-to-back).

Furthermore, I don't care if no other conference team does it. It clearly isn't a concern to the coaches of the committee or this would have been address back in 2013 when Catholic first started using media timeouts... after they went to the Hoopsville Classic at Stevenson at the beginning of the season which was using media timeouts. There are lots of teams around the country without TV who have media timeouts - it is their choice because in the rule book it doesn't say you can't use them unless you have a specific kind of media - that isn't fair. There are many out there, including in Division III, who actually monetize their web streams or have paid-radio. The conference hasn't spoken up and I don't hear coaches complaining about it.

Just because Scranton doesn't do it or others doesn't mean it is unfair. If anything, Scranton is getting an advantage coming down to Catholic to play and Catholic has a disadvantage when they travel to a non-media-timeout game. Scranton can shorten their bench at Catholic due to the extra stoppages (giving the guys breaks). Catholic has to adjust their substitution pattern when they are on the road.

By the way, media timeout policy is used in the Division III NCAA tournament for ALL games when in reality the final game of the tournament is the ONLY one with network media involved. Is that unfair, too? Is Scranton going to get screwed by this policy when an opposing coach decides they don't want to call a timeout for 30 more seconds? They do it so teams are used to it should they not have been doing it all season so they aren't surprised by it at the championship or even the Final Four.

And to your point about the speed of the game - that is more on the refs than anything. I have seen media games take less time than non-media games in this region because the refs in this region do not keep up the pace of play at all. They wait knowing a coach is thinking about a sub after a foul and hold the ball until they see the sub finally rise to their feet. They take their time getting the ball ready for inbounds, or at the free-throw line. They take their time indicating fouls and they allow non-stop substitutions along with teams to take an extra 15 seconds to break a timeout.

Example at the Hoopsville Classic this year, the second day we started the final game of a 2, 4, 6, 8 schedule at 8:40ish. There had been NO overtime games and almost every game got a 20 minute warm-up clock to cut down on things. At the D3hoops Classic in Vegas, one of the five-game days featured an overtime game squarely in the middle of the schedule. Believe it or not, they put 35 minutes on the clock ahead of the final game of the session which started on time (schedule was 12, 2, 4, 6, 8). Media games may have more stoppages, but refs will make sure the games move quickly. Even the women's refs in this region have gotten the message. When I announce women's games it is impossible for me to state the foul, the team foul, and the person shooting the FTs before the shooter has the ball (my cut-off point). In men's basketball, I can announce the foul, the team foul, and the FT shooter before the ref looks like he will throw him the ball. It all adds up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:18:47 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2016, 08:38:32 PM

So, Scranton ends up on the bubble.  Boken is just five points short of tying the Scranton all-time scoring mark.  I hope they'll try to the ECAC if they don't get into the NCAA and let him get that record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 PM
Intense game tonight in DC. I expected Juniata to give Catholic their best shot and they did. This was a close back-and-forth game pretty much the whole way. Juniata grabbed the lead a couple times in the 2nd half and had a few opportunities to stretch it out but they could never capitalize. Rough shooting night for Catholic tonight, lots of good looks that just didn't fall.

Big kudos to Corey Stanford tonight: 19 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists. He's been in a bit of slump for the past couple weeks but he was huge in the 2nd half. He gave up on the threes and started getting to the basket. Cards are gonna need him Saturday night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Here's a telling stat from the Scranton game:
Player X plays 35 minutes, takes 2 shots the entire game, misses both, scores zero points, grabs 3 huge rebounds & even has the time to dish out an assist.
How's that for production?
Two weeks ago the same player scores over 20.
Looks like Frank made the adjustment & our guy didn't.

Please explain to me how a supposed "shooter" can only pull the trigger on 2 shots in 35 minutes.
No screens to come off, no inside to Brenden & a kick out to the wings?
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2016, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Here's a telling stat from the Scranton game:
Player X plays 35 minutes, takes 2 shots the entire game, misses both, scores zero points, grabs 3 huge rebounds & even has the time to dish out an assist.
How's that for production?
Two weeks ago the same player scores over 20.
Looks like Frank made the adjustment & our guy didn't.

Please explain to me how a supposed "shooter" can only pull the trigger on 2 shots in 35 minutes.
No screens to come off, no inside to Brenden & a kick out to the wings?
Unbelievable.

And 1 of those 2 shots was an end-of-game desperation; so only 1 shot in 1st 39+ mins. Have to credit the Sus defense, also doubling Boken and forcing some guys to take shots that they didn't want to take.
  Have to hope now that nearly all the pool A winners are the conference leaders to get a pool C; at least 1 will be the Landmark winner.
  Dalton Reichard(Sus PG) rolls ankle late in 1st half(info for benefit of Cards fan) and doesn't return but sub hits dagger 3 with Royals down 2 late in game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 24, 2016, 11:10:53 PM
I made the short trip down to Susquehanna tonight rather than the long one back to Scranton - in the event that this might be Brendan's last game in a Royals uniform. 

2 starters with 0 points - one plays 8 minutes and the other 35.

Susquehanna was definitely the quicker team on the baseline all night long.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:04:29 AM
I think Scranton needed to get to the title game to be in a better position. With already upsets taking place, I think Scranton fell short this season. However, I haven't had the chance to truly breakdown the numbers. That's what I spend the next four days doing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 07:17:26 AM
Thanks for a great four years Brendan!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2016, 07:56:04 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Looks like Frank made the adjustment & our guy didn't.


I watched 80% of that game last night.  Your guy adjusted from getting his ass handed to him in the first half, to actually having a shot to win near the end.  Maybe he didn't do as much as he could, but those halftime adjustments were pretty darn impressive.  It's not like Susquehanna was shooting the lights out in the first half and came back to earth - they played a mediocre half and just ran Scranton out of the gym.  The fact it wasn't a 40 point loss should at least earn Danzig some credit.  I make no comments on his overall performance for the season or even if he did what is expected of him in this game, but he did make adjustments that worked pretty well, even if they weren't enough for you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2016, 07:56:56 AM

Hey ronk,

Would Scranton consider an ECAC bid if they don't get in or is that not something the school does?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2016, 07:56:56 AM

Hey ronk,

Would Scranton consider an ECAC bid if they don't get in or is that not something the school does?

They did play in the ECACs in 2005 @ F&M, but there's been only 2? other years in Danzig's tenure that they have declined to play. It would be advisable to play this year to give PT to a couple of frosh. Lunardi says we have a decent chance @ the NCAA, however.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
Is Scranton a member of the ECAC?  Last year, when I asked if F&M was going to play in the ECAC, I was told they were no longer involved in ECAC basketball.  Maybe that was a coach's decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 10:11:36 AM
Scranton is in a bit of rebuild mode. 2 starting positions open ( at least ) and some minutes to replace. no current freshman got any playing time, and only Doolan as a Sophomore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2016, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2016, 07:56:56 AM

Hey ronk,

Would Scranton consider an ECAC bid if they don't get in or is that not something the school does?

They did play in the ECACs in 2005 @ F&M, but there's been only 2? other years in Danzig's tenure that they have declined to play. It would be advisable to play this year to give PT to a couple of frosh. Lunardi says we have a decent chance @ the NCAA, however.

I think they have a good chance to get in, as well, but you never what will happen the next three days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Is Scranton a member of the ECAC?  https://ecacredesign.prestosports.com/inside/membership/division_III/index
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

Shocker  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2016, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

I agree they're in a bad position, but if we don't have too many upsets, they'll get a hearing at least.  Not sure if they'll make it, but their SOS is good enough to get them to the table, I think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 11:40:47 AM
Ronk I agree with you!I also think they will get in with an sos at 555 and a couple great wins over the 1 and 2 teams in the region and to do it on the road is a good resume in itself.The atlantic is very weak and the east is okay so I also thinks that helps.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2016, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

I agree they're in a bad position, but if we don't have too many upsets, they'll get a hearing at least.  Not sure if they'll make it, but their SOS is good enough to get them to the table, I think.

Yeah... really depends on how many upsets there are. Their SOS entering the week was a .542... it currently is a .555... it will shift again, but not sure which direction. They are now 2-4 vRRO when they could have been 3-3 and I think that is where I am the most concerned. Also, their have a 2-6 record against teams with a better than .600 record (Cabrini just fell below that threshold) and I know when the national committee is looking at secondary criteria and get to overall record, they are looking at that factor. That doesn't bode well for Scranton.

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

Shocker  ::)

I realize you don't like it when people speak ill about Scranton especially when it apparently comes from me. But I don't drink the Kool-Aid and I take it from a much larger perspective, clearly.

Listen, Scranton has a nice SOS number, but so will pretty much most of those at the table when they get there. They will be sitting with other teams who have 20-wins and less losses. They will also be there with teams with similiar resumes. The trick will come down to what does the committee do - take the better WL% or lean on the SOS. I have already been told this year when breaking a tie - the committee is going to go with WL%. That coupled with the fact that Scranton is .250 against those who win 60% of their games or more... makes me think Scranton is in trouble. Like it or not. A win over Susquehanna would have given them 20-wins, boosted their vRRO to 3-3 (and promised 3-4 at worse), and raised their v60 to .300 at worse (considering a loss in the title game to make them a Pool C team to enter this equation)... all of which is a far better resume in a very crowded Pool C field this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
I just knew you were going to feel the need to comment on Scranton in the post seasons and react negatively. Just like you haven't had them in your Top 25 the whole year ( save 1 week maybe). No surprises here, when it comes to you and Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dave maybe in your eyes the criteria has to be 20 wins or else.I notice the only time you refer to 20 wins is if Scranton doesn't hit that criteria.Let someone from the Midwest have the exact same record you never mention that when posting it in any other region.Just because in your eyes 20 is always your number with Scranton I am pretty sure the NCAA does not look at it like you.God for bid you were ever on the committee you would never put Scranton in.If I am wrong I admit it you on the other hand never take ownership for your comments.Scranton has 7 losses out of those 7 4 came to regionally ranked teams Susquehanna number 2 in the region twice Catholic number 4 in the region Twice and then they beat CNU AT CNU and Susquehanna at Susquehanna two top teams in the region bottom line is The NCAA looks at the whole picture not just you didn't make it to the Championship or 20 win season.Maybe you should just sit back and for once drink some off the Scranton Kool aid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
I just knew you were going to feel the need to comment on Scranton in the post seasons and react negatively. Just like you haven't had them in your Top 25 the whole year ( save 1 week maybe). No surprises here, when it comes to you and Scranton.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dave maybe in your eyes the criteria has to be 20 wins or else.I notice the only time you refer to 20 wins is if Scranton doesn't hit that criteria.Let someone from the Midwest have the exact same record you never mention that when posting it in any other region.Just because in your eyes 20 is always your number with Scranton I am pretty sure the NCAA does not look at it like you.God for bid you were ever on the committee you would never put Scranton in.If I am wrong I admit it you on the other hand never take ownership for your comments.Scranton has 7 losses out of those 7 4 came to regionally ranked teams Susquehanna number 2 in the region twice Catholic number 4 in the region Twice and then they beat CNU AT CNU and Susquehanna at Susquehanna two top teams in the region bottom line is The NCAA looks at the whole picture not just you didn't make it to the Championship or 20 win season.Maybe you should just sit back and for once drink some off the Scranton Kool aid.

::beating my head into the table and wall::

PLEASE reread what I wrote... PLEASE. You aren't reading it if you think I said 20+ wins is the only way to get into the tournament. To help, let me quote myself.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Listen, Scranton has a nice SOS number, but so will pretty much most of those at the table when they get there. They will be sitting with other teams who have 20-wins and less losses. They will also be there with teams with similiar resumes. The trick will come down to what does the committee do - take the better WL% or lean on the SOS. I have already been told this year when breaking a tie - the committee is going to go with WL%.

There is plenty of talk, and I have said it, that realizes there will be 7, 8, even 9 or loss teams at the table. To get those losses you can't have 20 wins - not possible for most (ODAC and others being an exception). Thus... 19, 18, even 17 win teams will be at the table. I can start rattling off teams that will be in that boat like NJCU if you would like.

I am not saying that Scranton is not getting into the tournament because they didn't win 20 games. What I am saying is that I think their resume would be better and their chances would be better if they had 20 wins. It would also boost other parts of their resume accordingly and all of that is important. I have not said they are out. I have said I think they are in trouble. There some major differences in those two statements. Out versus trouble. Please understand the difference.

San Juan as for your statements... I going to respond part by part so you get what I am saying...

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dave maybe in your eyes the criteria has to be 20 wins or else.
Again... didn't say it was my criteria. Didn't say it was a criteria. I said it would better their resume. Big difference.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
I notice the only time you refer to 20 wins is if Scranton doesn't hit that criteria.
BS - the 20-win plateau or the 7/8 loss line is a major talking point across the board. Anyone who has a better than .667 winning percentage is the conversation. Anyone who has more wins than someone else is in better shape. Same with SOS; higher the better. However, there is a line of demarcation and NCC last season had 8-losses with a great SOS - didn't make the tournament. Furthermore, there will be teams who have 20+ wins who will NOT make the tournament if they don't win their conference AQs: Lancaster Bible, PSU-Behrend, St. Vincent, Northwestern (Minn.), maybe even Johnson and Wales. I have pointed them out a lot. This isn't a damn thing about Scranton. If Catholic or Susquehanna had the same resume, my thoughts would be the same.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Let someone from the Midwest have the exact same record you never mention that when posting it in any other region.
Not sure what you are trying to say here... but I have said I think Elmhurst is in trouble if they don't win the AQ. I think Chicago is in trouble, said that for weeks especially on Hoopsville. Again, there are teams I mentioned above who will NOT make the tournament with more wins than Scranton and far worse records. Not once have I said Scranton is NOT in the tournament... but you keep reading as if I have.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Just because in your eyes 20 is always your number with Scranton I am pretty sure the NCAA does not look at it like you.God for bid you were ever on the committee you would never put Scranton in.
Funny... I've been picking at-large teams for several years and have picked Scranton several times. I also talk to the committees a LOT especially this time of year to better understand how selections may go. I am pulling information left and right to do my best to gauge who I think is in and who I think is out. Last year, Pat and I (along with some assistance from those we trust) picked 19 of 19 on the men's side. A lot of those late picks Pat leaned on what I had "gleaned" in terms of information on regional rankings. I am not pulling stuff out of thin air.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
If I am wrong I admit it you on the other hand never take ownership for your comments.
I am just going to call BS on this. You admit when I am wrong ALL of the time. No one is perfect and by no means do I think I am. If I am wrong, I will admit it. Feel free to ask around... heck, listen to my show once in a blue moon. It happens and I will be the first to admit it. As for your record, I have no way of knowing if you do admit or not when you are wrong, so I can't speak to it.

Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Scranton has 7 losses out of those 7 4 came to regionally ranked teams Susquehanna number 2 in the region twice Catholic number 4 in the region Twice and then they beat CNU AT CNU and Susquehanna at Susquehanna two top teams in the region bottom line is The NCAA looks at the whole picture not just you didn't make it to the Championship or 20 win season.Maybe you should just sit back and for once drink some off the Scranton Kool aid.
Yep... the NCAA looks at the entire picture, but they don't look at losses as much as they look at wins on the men's side (women look more at losses, actually). That's why I pointed out Scranton's record against those with .600 winning percentages or better. It currently sits at 2-6. I know for a fact that a similar record, despite a better WL% is what has kept DeSales sitting third in the Atlantic regional rankings instead of higher (along with a weak vRRO). Scranton's vRRO is now 2-4 and while the committee treats that number more than just a WL%, they will see four losses including sweeps by Catholic and a 1-2 versus Susquehanna. Outside of conference games, which the committee will also break out, Scranton is 1-0 with their only out-of-conference game of any significance being a the only loss handed to CNU. THIS is a very nice result that the committee clearly is giving Scranton credit for.

So Scranton has eight games of their 26 (31% of their schedule) against teams with a winning record of .600 or better (a threshold I didn't pick, the committee has chosen) and they are 2-6 in those games (.250). Scranton has played six games against those who are currently regionally ranked (always subject to change, but in Scranton's case not likely; no one is going to enter or leave the rankings that they have faced)... they are 2-4 (.333) in those games - but have won their only out-of-conference regionally ranked game. Scranton's SOS is .555, but I need to see it on Sunday to better understand what it may do (while some teams they have played will win, most will lose) by the end.

It all adds up to a mixed bag for me. From what I have been able to learn, the committee doesn't like some of that resume while liking other parts. I feel if they had won against Susquehanna they would actually have put themselves in the driver's seat.

Again, you may not like what I have to say... but replace "Scranton" for anyone else's name with the same resume and my feelings would not be different. NJCU, same trouble and they have some better results than Scranton; Elmhurst and Chicago may be in trouble, and they have better results than Scranton. Scranton will most likely get to the table, but their resume has to be more than SOS to get them into the tournament. I am not sure if it is good enough or not - because here's the biggest factor: who is left at the table and how many spots are available to pick?! We don't know that last part... thus why I have NOT said they are OUT. SMH

By the way... I will never drink the Kool-Aid of anyone. I can't even drink the Kool-Aid of my own alma mater. It may have been nice to get ten wins this season, but there is a LOT of work to do there before we are seriously talking about Goucher in anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 01:50:41 PM
Dave calling the kettle black my friend.Say something about Goucher an you don't like it either.The bottom line is we both have the right to defend our teams.Your a Goucher fan and I am a proud Scranton fan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 01:55:12 PM
I will defend my alma mater if I feel it needs to be defended. But I have been in this "business" covering Division III and being a broadcaster/producer long enough to develop a non-cheer mentality. You can ask my wife... it is hard for me to even get up and cheer at Ravens, Orioles, or Cubs games - let alone in the house - because I have sat at press row or in press boxes for 20 years. Heck, outside of my student-days when I traveled to Goucher away games... I usually sit not doing a damn bit of cheering at their games - it isn't my job to cheer. Sadly, it then affects my "fandom," but I have no problems with that if I can look at my alma mater in an abstract and neutral way... and someday it would be nice to have to sit here contemplating if Goucher deserves an at-large bid... or where they should be ranked or bracketed. But until then...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 02:00:17 PM
Give me a better result that NJCU had please maybe I am missing it:


4/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      The College of New Jersey 92, New Jersey City University 82     Box score
02/17/16     Camden, NJ      New Jersey City University 76, Rutgers-Camden 53     Box score
02/13/16     Jersey City (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 82, Montclair State University 59     Box score
02/10/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 68, Stockton University 61     Box score
02/08/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 97, University of Valley Forge 47     Box score
02/06/16     Ewing, NJ (Packer Hall)      New Jersey City University 81, The College of New Jersey 56     Box score
02/03/16     Mahwah, NJ (Bradley Center)      Ramapo College 80, New Jersey City University 73 (OT)     Box score
02/01/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 79, Kean University 52     Box score
01/30/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 88, Rowan University 81     Box score
01/27/16     Wayne, NJ (Rec Center)      New Jersey City University 85, William Paterson University 81     Box score
01/20/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 63, Rutgers-Newark 59     Box score
01/16/16     Montclair, NJ (Panzer Athletic Center)      Montclair State University 72, New Jersey City University 71     Box score
01/13/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 78, Rutgers University-Camden 65     Box score
01/09/16     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      The College of New Jersey 76, New Jersey City University 74     Box score
01/06/16     Galloway, NJ (Stockton Sports Center)      New Jersey City University 74, Stockton University 69     Box score
12/30/15     Bronx, NY (The APEX)      Western Connecticut State U. 84, New Jersey City University 65     Box score
12/29/15     Bronx, NY (The APEX)      Buffalo State College 119, New Jersey City University 116 (2OT)     Box score
12/12/15     Union, NJ (Harwood Arena)      New Jersey City University 78, Kean University 62     Box score
12/09/15     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 87, Ramapo College 73     Box score
12/05/15     Glassboro, NJ (Esby Gym)      New Jersey City University 87, Rowan University 85     Box score
12/02/15     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 70, William Paterson University 64     Box score
11/30/15     Jersey City, NJ (John J. Moore AFC)      New Jersey City University 74, York College (NY) 70     Box score
11/24/15     Newark, NJ (The Golden Dome Arena)      New Jersey City University 69, Rutgers-Newark 62     Box score
11/21/15     Grantham, PA      New Jersey City University 74, Messiah College 66     Box score
11/20/15     Grantham, PA      Franklin & Marshall College 79, New Jersey City University 67     Box score
11/18/15     Brooklyn, NY      Brooklyn College 94, New Jersey City University 86     Box score

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 25, 2016, 02:03:56 PM
TGHIJGSTO!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2016, 02:30:57 PM
F&M has 20 wins and a win over the number 1 team in the Atlantic Region, and unless they win their conference play-offs I, also, worry they will not make the tournament.  Last year at 20-6 they failed to make the tournament.  Sometimes strength of schedule is overrated especially when some teams jell late in the season, like Dickinson this year.  Dickinson started 2-9 and could easily win the Centennial Conference with a young squad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
NEPA - NJCU has a 8-5 record against teams above .600 and they are 4-2 vRRO including a sweep of Stockton and Rutgers-Newark in their favor (for now). Unfortunately in comparison, Scranton has a worse v60 record and vRRO results in comparison EXCEPT their win over CNU which is their trump card.

AND NJCU is in just as much danger, if not more danger/trouble, as Scranton. I don't believe I argued NJCU was getting into the tournament to begin with... or in over Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2016, 03:07:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2016, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

I agree they're in a bad position, but if we don't have too many upsets, they'll get a hearing at least.  Not sure if they'll make it, but their SOS is good enough to get them to the table, I think.

Yeah... really depends on how many upsets there are. Their SOS entering the week was a .542... it currently is a .555... it will shift again, but not sure which direction. They are now 2-4 vRRO when they could have been 3-3 and I think that is where I am the most concerned. Also, their have a 2-6 record against teams with a better than .600 record (Cabrini just fell below that threshold) and I know when the national committee is looking at secondary criteria and get to overall record, they are looking at that factor. That doesn't bode well for Scranton.

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
I honestly don't think they have a good chance. Scranton needed to get to the conference finals to at least put themselves in a better position because another win, especially over a regionally ranked opponent, would have done wonders for their resume. I hate to be blunt and I will admit I haven't poured my head into the numbers fully as of yet, but I just don't like the situation they have put themselves in.

Shocker  ::)

I realize you don't like it when people speak ill about Scranton especially when it apparently comes from me. But I don't drink the Kool-Aid and I take it from a much larger perspective, clearly.

Listen, Scranton has a nice SOS number, but so will pretty much most of those at the table when they get there. They will be sitting with other teams who have 20-wins and less losses. They will also be there with teams with similiar resumes. The trick will come down to what does the committee do - take the better WL% or lean on the SOS. I have already been told this year when breaking a tie - the committee is going to go with WL%. That coupled with the fact that Scranton is .250 against those who win 60% of their games or more... makes me think Scranton is in trouble. Like it or not. A win over Susquehanna would have given them 20-wins, boosted their vRRO to 3-3 (and promised 3-4 at worse), and raised their v60 to .300 at worse (considering a loss in the title game to make them a Pool C team to enter this equation)... all of which is a far better resume in a very crowded Pool C field this year.

  Now we're really upset(along with Mailsy) that the ref at Cabrini-Neumann may have cost Scranton an NCAA berth. :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
It would have been a one-shot Tech.. how much did that actually hurt them? Might be a good debate, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
Dave you said I think Scranton fell short.I was replying to ronks statement about the Royals getting in.I agreed and said with there sos of 555 and a couple nice wins they will get in.Then you replied with your bs comments Dave so read your post before trying to defend your statements.I also have alot of knowledge I have been following d3 before there was a d3hoops program.I have my opinion about my specific team nothing wrong with that and if they don't get in I will accept that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 25, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
Dave you said I think Scranton fell short.I was replying to ronks statement about the Royals getting in.I agreed and said with there sos of 555 and a couple nice wins they will get in.Then you replied with your bs comments Dave so read your post before trying to defend your statements.I also have alot of knowledge I have been following d3 before there was a d3hoops program.I have my opinion about my specific team nothing wrong with that and if they don't get in I will accept that.

But I didn't reply to you! Did I quote you in my next reply? NO! SMH

And please tell me how stating facts and giving my opinion based on those facts is BS?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2016, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
It would have been a one-shot Tech.. how much did that actually hurt them? Might be a good debate, that's for sure.

Just throwing my 2 cents in. It did hurt Cabrini. Even 1 FT would have possibly tied the game. Getting the ball back or going into OT. Yeah.... it would have made a difference.   ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
Thanks... wasn't sure how it all would have played out since I wasn't able to wrap my mind around the situation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2016, 10:00:54 PM
Hoopsfan:

Here's a novel idea...
Try having your team ready from the time they take the court rather than finding ways to come back from 22 point first half deficits.

This is at least the 5th conference game they have been behind by huge numbers before the half.

Also, not so sure Scranton did anything magical other than the fact that Susquehanna's shooting cooled off.

If you truly made some adjustments, you would have found a way to get over 45 minutes of starter time to score at least 1 freakin point.

I truly hope the NCAA God's (minus Dave's editorial), give the Royal's some love by extending them a bid to the tournament.

I would love to see Brenden get the chance to break Scranton's "unbreakable record" in an actual meaningful game.
This kid has left his heart on the court each & every game & deserves 1 last shot at showing a national audience what he brings game in & game out.

Truly the best player to wear the purple & white in at least 10 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2016, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2016, 10:00:54 PM
Hoopsfan:

Here's a novel idea...
Try having your team ready from the time they take the court rather than finding ways to come back from 22 point first half deficits.

This is at least the 5th conference game they have been behind by huge numbers before the half.

Also, not so sure Scranton did anything magical other than the fact that Susquehanna's shooting cooled off.

If you truly made some adjustments, you would have found a way to get over 45 minutes of starter time to score at least 1 freakin point.

I truly hope the NCAA God's (minus Dave's editorial), give the Royal's some love by extending them a bid to the tournament.

I would love to see Brenden get the chance to break Scranton's "unbreakable record" in an actual meaningful game.
This kid has left his heart on the court each & every game & deserves 1 last shot at showing a national audience what he brings game in & game out.

Truly the best player to wear the purple & white in at least 10 years.

Probably the best in the D3 era although I only have one game remembrance(the '83 NCAA champ video) of Bill Bessoir's play. Overall, I'd rank Brendan just behind Bill Witaconis, Gene Mumford, and Ed Kazakavich, mostly because they excelled against D1 schools, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 26, 2016, 07:06:31 AM
No upsets yet in the Middle Atlantic region 1ST and 2ND place team from the Landmark and CAC head to the Championship games respectfully.Those 4 teams are ahead of Scranton in the final regional poll also.I think it is looking good for Scranton to get in.Only my thoughts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2016, 06:17:30 PM
FWIW, the "nerds" in the Pool C thread have Scranton getting in. I use that term lovingly of course.

Congrats to the Lady Royals, Landmark Champs and 26-0.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2016, 06:17:30 PM
FWIW, the "nerds" in the Pool C thread have Scranton getting in. I use that term lovingly of course.

Congrats to the Lady Royals, Landmark Champs and 26-0.

Still 3 bubble busters left tonight and 6 more tomorrow
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 27, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
A night that started as poorly as possible, with Catholic falling behind to Susquehanna 20-8 after 8 minutes, ended much better. Susquehanna got everything they wanted for long stretches of the 1st half, but Catholic was able to close the gap and be down just 2 at the half. Catholic played with the lead for pretty much the entire second half. Kyle Phanord hit three huge 3-pointers and scored 11 of his 17 in the 2nd half. Great gameplan by coach Marcinek tonight, learning a lot from the last meeting. Susquehanna played a ton of zone that really limited Catholic's inside scorers.

Great individual battle tonight with Bryson Fonville scoring 33 points for the Cards and Josh Miller pouring in 32 for Susquehanna.

All that remains now is to see if we can get 3 Landmark teams in the tournament. Hope so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2016, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 27, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
A night that started as poorly as possible, with Catholic falling behind to Susquehanna 20-8 after 8 minutes, ended much better. Susquehanna got everything they wanted for long stretches of the 1st half, but Catholic was able to close the gap and be down just 2 at the half. Catholic played with the lead for pretty much the entire second half. Kyle Phanord hit three huge 3-pointers and scored 11 of his 17 in the 2nd half. Great gameplan by coach Marcinek tonight, learning a lot from the last meeting. Susquehanna played a ton of zone that really limited Catholic's inside scorers.

Great individual battle tonight with Bryson Fonville scoring 33 points for the Cards and Josh Miller pouring in 32 for Susquehanna.

All that remains now is to see if we can get 3 Landmark teams in the tournament. Hope so.

  Looking good at this point with only 6 bubble busters left tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2016, 01:16:35 AM
Congratulations to the Landmark Conference Champion Catholic Cardinals!  I give this team a lot of credit for mental toughness--they've proven they can take and survive a punch.  Tonight, they came out very flat, and initially everything fell for Susquehanna.  However, as the first half wore on, Catholic really picked up it's defensive intensity, a few shots finally started to fall and they clawed back to even by halftime.

Similar to the Scranton game last week, they came out strong in the 2nd half, took control, and despite a few SUS runs, never relinquished.  This was a 71-60 game with under 2:00 left, so the final score was a bit deceiving as the foul game played out. 

Fonville really was a beast tonight--he can create offense unlike anybody else in the league (that would be the POY argument for him, along with his huge assist numbers).  33 points, 7 assists.  One thing that stood out tonight for Catholic. was how solid the defense was after the initial SUS run.  They forced a lot of turnovers and won that battle big.  9 steals overall.  Kevin Phanord was once again a huge spark plug and helped get the game on track on defense.  Also very good rebounding--quite a few "effort" rebounds.  Tonight it was Kyle Phanord who stepped up from a shooting perspective--it seems like either Louis Khouri or Kyle are going to get hot, and during this run for Catholic one of them have stepped up with huge 3's at critical moments time and time again.

So, congrats to Coach Howes and his staff, and the CUA senior class who get to go out conference champions.  We'll see what's next. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2016, 09:01:50 AM
Congrats to Catholic...they pulled it together when they had to.

Big time players step up in big games.

All the best to the Crusaders as well as they'll certainly be getting a Pool C.

Overall, one of the most competitive years in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
 After 4 of 6 bubble busters dissolved today, the Royals have a good chance of getting a Pool C(#15 of 19 possibles), according to a few close observers; no guarantees, however.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 28, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2016, 09:01:50 AM
Congrats to Catholic...they pulled it together when they had to.

Big time players step up in big games.

All the best to the Crusaders as well as they'll certainly be getting a Pool C.

Overall, one of the most competitive years in the Landmark.

Spot on with regards to competitiveness of the league this year. I'd like to believe the league will keep moving that way. No idea what it'll look like next season tho.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
Is Scranton a member of the ECAC?  Last year, when I asked if F&M was going to play in the ECAC, I was told they were no longer involved in ECAC basketball.  Maybe that was a coach's decision.

Here's a link to ECAC declared teams for this year's tourney, F&M among them. Juniata is the only Landmark.
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/mbkb/Championships/Division_III/2015-16/DIII_Men-s_Basketball_Declared_Teams.pdf
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
The final projected Regional Rankings have Susquehanna ranked ahead of Catholic.  If that is what actually happens, it would be nuts.  Susquehanna has a 1 game lead on Catholic in overall wins, and their RPI is slightly better by a tiny amount (virtual tie), but Catholic's OWP is higher by an even smaller amount, and common opponent record is better. 

More to the point, obviously Catholic just beat Susquehanna when it mattered the most, and also on the road (by 21!).  They were 2-1 head to head.   And against the other (hopefully) tournament team in Landmark, Scranton, Catholic was 2-0 and SUS 1-1.  Those two things should matter the most. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 28, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
The final projected Regional Rankings have Susquehanna ranked ahead of Catholic.  If that is what actually happens, it would be nuts.  Susquehanna has a 1 game lead on Catholic in overall wins, and their RPI is slightly better by a tiny amount (virtual tie), but Catholic's OWP is higher by an even smaller amount, and common opponent record is better. 

More to the point, obviously Catholic just beat Susquehanna when it mattered the most, and also on the road (by 21!).  They were 2-1 head to head.   And against the other (hopefully) tournament team in Landmark, Scranton, Catholic was 2-0 and SUS 1-1.  Those two things should matter the most.

Matt, if you're using the data from that website everyone is referencing I'm pretty sure the order there in each region has never changed even as SOS and RPI numbers were updated along the way. The order on the website isn't the same as the official NCAA regional rankings. I think we've probably moved slightly ahead of Susquehanna by this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2016, 11:28:09 PM

CNU
Catholic
Sus
Salisbury
F&M
Scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 28, 2016, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2016, 11:28:09 PM

CNU
Catholic
Sus
Salisbury
F&M
Scranton

Seems about right. Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 29, 2016, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 28, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
The final projected Regional Rankings have Susquehanna ranked ahead of Catholic.  If that is what actually happens, it would be nuts.  Susquehanna has a 1 game lead on Catholic in overall wins, and their RPI is slightly better by a tiny amount (virtual tie), but Catholic's OWP is higher by an even smaller amount, and common opponent record is better. 

More to the point, obviously Catholic just beat Susquehanna when it mattered the most, and also on the road (by 21!).  They were 2-1 head to head.   And against the other (hopefully) tournament team in Landmark, Scranton, Catholic was 2-0 and SUS 1-1.  Those two things should matter the most.

Matt, if you're using the data from that website everyone is referencing I'm pretty sure the order there in each region has never changed even as SOS and RPI numbers were updated along the way. The order on the website isn't the same as the official NCAA regional rankings. I think we've probably moved slightly ahead of Susquehanna by this point.

Well, they actually did move Catholic up a spot.  But not past SUS.  That's why it was strange.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 29, 2016, 12:10:38 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 28, 2016, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2016, 11:28:09 PM

CNU
Catholic
Sus
Salisbury
F&M
Scranton

Seems about right. Thanks.

Yup, that's what it should be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 12:49:41 AM
From what I learned, the regional rankings were:

CNU
Catholic
Susquehanna
Salisbury
F&M
Scranton

Pat and I selected Scranton late and were left with no other team in the Mid-Atlantic. We suspect Swartmore would have been the team to get to the table at the end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 11:42:02 AM
Dave why was Scranton a late pick for you guys?according to massey rating Scranton is ahead of Oswego st 20-8 massey has them 52nd,ahead of WPI 20-6 massey has them 83rd and Trinity 19-7 massey has them 53rd while Massey has Scranton 19-7 41st in there rating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2016, 11:59:11 AM
What about the teams above Scranton in the Massey Ratings that are not projected to be in the tournament?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 12:06:44 PM
The simple answer is that the only things that matter are the selection criteria and Massey is just an ancillary rating that has no bearing on anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
The reality of the situation is...win the automatic & take all the subjective chatter & distractions out of the conversation.

The NCAA has their own criteria for the selections & even when they make a call that makes no sense whatsoever, when asked about the decision, their talking heads will give you a talk around that will leave you more confused than before you asked the question.
However, they could care less what Massey or any other independent service comes up with.

Many Pool B's are easy...the toughest decision is where to send them.
Others are far more difficult to make but if they (NCAA), stick to their supposed criteria, most of the truly deserving schools should have a spot.
The angst will always be there for a few that are left out & will always feel they did more than someone else.

Buckle up & pass the tissues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
Scranton in @ Ohio Wesleyan against Lynchburg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 12:54:13 PM
Based on where Scranton is placed...I would say they were one of the last on the board.

Still much better than sitting at home for the next 7 months having nightmares of all those poor first halves that might have cost them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 29, 2016, 01:22:46 PM
Catholic hosting Endicott, Wooster vs Lancaster Bible is the other game. 

Pretty good draw for the Cardinals, it seems.  Would be nice to see a rematch with Marietta which was a fantastic game. 

But you never know. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 01:28:55 PM

3 Landmarks in 3 different quads - could meet in the Final 4. ;D 3 Mid-Atlantic hosts(CNU,SUS,CUA).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 29, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
Plus now Brendan Boken has a chance to break the record. Finishing five points shy of it would've stunk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 01:36:02 PM
Scranton can play loosey goosey. No expectations...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 29, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 29, 2016, 01:22:46 PM
Catholic hosting Endicott, Wooster vs Lancaster Bible is the other game. 

Pretty good draw for the Cardinals, it seems.  Would be nice to see a rematch with Marietta which was a fantastic game. 

But you never know.

I think I'll be headed there this weekend.  I want to see LBC play and I'm a CCC alum. Plus it's close to home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 01:45:18 PM
Nepafan did you like my call by saying Scranton would get in why alot of other people said No way.Points for me again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Every single prediction I saw, both on the Pool C board, and the ones made by Pat Coleman and Dave McHugh had Scranton getting in. So I'm not sure where you are getting your "not getting in" predictions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 01:53:02 PM
DMAC essentially said Scranton was unlikely to get in. He also said that he was disappointed with the Landmark as a conference, and they get 3 teams in this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
So then why did he select them to get in? And does he represent "a lot of people"?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
I realize he said that previously on this board, but I am more aghast at the "Almost everyone else but me didn't have them getting in" argument.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 01:53:02 PM
DMAC essentially said Scranton was unlikely to get in. He also said that he was disappointed with the Landmark as a conference, and they get 3 teams in this year.

Dave's been disappointed generally with the Landmark NCAA play over the years, not this year necessarily. We'll start with 2 home games and a neutral court game; should get at least 2 to the 2nd round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 02:01:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2016, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 01:53:02 PM
DMAC essentially said Scranton was unlikely to get in. He also said that he was disappointed with the Landmark as a conference, and they get 3 teams in this year.

Dave's been disappointed generally with the Landmark NCAA play over the years, not this year necessarily. We'll start with 2 home games and a neutral court game; should get at least 2 to the 2nd round.

one day the men will play a home NCAA game, been a while...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Pg04 were you at the ladies game Saturday at Scranton the men I hang around with even said they would not get in along with a couple people on this board as I was saying from the get go they would get in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
Quote from: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
So then why did he select them to get in? And does he represent "a lot of people"?

There weren't many bubble busters this year(including Sunday); Pat Coleman and Dave had a difficult time distinguishing among the next to last 5, so in the interest of time they admitted all of them as a group(including Scranton).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Pg04 were you at the ladies game Saturday at Scranton the men I hang around with even said they would not get in along with a couple people on this board as I was saying from the get go they would get in.

Fair enough. I thought you were mostly referring to people here. The "nerds" on the boards as NEPAFAN has called them  ;D. Obviously I can't speak for people that you spoke too. They should have had more confidence! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: pg04 on February 29, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Pg04 were you at the ladies game Saturday at Scranton the men I hang around with even said they would not get in along with a couple people on this board as I was saying from the get go they would get in.

Fair enough. I thought you were mostly referring to people here. The "nerds" on the boards as NEPAFAN has called them  ;D. Obviously I can't speak for people that you spoke too. They should have had more confidence! :)

Scranton fans are generally negative. Although there is a love fest with the women's team right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 02:25:14 PM
You can have all the unwavering confidence in the world as to how you would like & expect things to be for your respective team....then the Selection Committee slaps you with a no thanks to the head & that's that.

I've been around long enough to know there are certain times when where your school stands in the eyes of the NCAA is nothing more than a crapshoot...logic does not always prevail.

For the sake of the Royals players & especially Brended Boken...just glad they made it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
For the record, I stated repeatedly that I thought Scranton was in trouble. I don't believe I ever said I thought they were out. There is a distinct line there this time of the year and I know fully well where that line is. Scranton was in trouble, I felt, and actually fell to sixth in the final regional rankings. The advantage Scranton had was they got to the table quickly. Susquehanna and Salisbury were taken with enough time for Scranton to be considered for a long time. Pat and I selected them somewhere in the final six picks. It was getting difficult and we realized we had five teams and six slots and those five teams were going to get in no matter how long we spun our wheels through the process. Scranton was one of those five we threw in as a group to get us to our final pick.

Now the committee chair told us on Hoopsville today that Scranton was the second to last pick... and had Randolph beaten Lynchburg in the ODAC title (went to OT), Scranton would have been the final team into the tournament.

That right there... the simple fact the committee chair stated Scranton was the second to last pick (and potentially last pick) is why I said Scranton was in trouble.

saratoga - I understand your points about not understanding the process and such, but the men's side has come a LONG way from wherever the bad blood was formed for you. They are extremely transparent - even going well beyond what the NCAA would technically allow.

A great example today would be when I asked the men's committee chair who the final four in were and who the last three out where... he gave them to us without hesitation. The women's chair (and her assistant chair this year), ducked that question like it would cost them their lives.

The men's committee over the last five plus years has found ways to sneak the final regional rankings out the door to individuals like myself. They have spoken openly about selections and bracketing. They may disagree with someone's take on things, but they don't hide behind anything.

The women's committee on the other hand does everything they can not to answer questions and while they are very friendly, will not give up any information. There are a lot of theories why, but they aren't worth getting into.

And a quick note about Massey Ratings and selection criteria... no selection criteria has outside ratings or polls, like D3hoops.com, in the NCAA. That isn't what the membership of the NCAA has agreed to use for varying reasons. I don't ever see Massey Ratings or D3hoops.com Top 25 polls ever included in selection criteria. They are nice to look at and talk about, but in the long run... they are just for show.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2016, 02:55:45 AM
Dave:
Regarding Scranton...I felt the same way, I wanted them in, just wasn't so sure they'd actually make the cut & get the chance.
Big difference between saying no way/no how it will never happen as opposed to, I'm not really so sure they can pull it off.

Looking at where the Royals were placed certainly led me to believe they were one of the last teams taken...which you've now confirmed.

As for the mens side being more transparent...great to hear.
Glad they answer basic questions from their perspective rather than trying to decipher a ton of words that mean nothing.

The women have been more resistant in this regard as you've mentioned.
Even last season I remember there being a mini meltdown by some team about not getting in that most thought would make it & you had the actual chairperson on your show & asked her point blank why were they left out & someone else was given the chance. Her answer sounded more like Jackie Gleason on the Honeymooners when caught doing something dumb by his wife as opposed to a well thought out & articulate defense.

Don't always agree but the effort you've given over the past several days to keep us all informed about all the teams in all the regions has been fantastic.

Thanks...well done.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
https://bballplayoftheyear.speakcreative.com/?on_page=true


what do you guys think? Which is the best play?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 10:56:29 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
https://bballplayoftheyear.speakcreative.com/?on_page=true


what do you guys think? Which is the best play?

While Boken's shot gave Scranton halftime momentum to win a game they needed to get into the NCAA, I'd vote for the OT buzzer-beater of Rochester over Chicago. Rochester was down 3 with secs to go, was fouled to prevent a 3-pt tying attempt, made the 1st FT, intentionally missed the 2nd, which bounced hard back to the shooter who passed to the wing for the winning 3-pt basket. Well-executed!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 11:21:55 AM
Dave is this the same chairperson 2 years ago that screwed Scranton from hosting and sent them up north to Brockport?I think the committee should be made up of individually outside divison 3 it should be a committee of d2 or some other source.Because let's be realistic here they (committee )can be influenced by someone else.So to be on the selection committee I think you should not have any ties to any d3 program.Because let's be honest here with are self you could be influenced by a team over b team because of someone on the committee can be alot closer to (A)team then (B)team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2016, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 11:21:55 AM
Dave is this the same chairperson 2 years ago that screwed Scranton from hosting and sent them up north to Brockport?I think the committee should be made up of individually outside divison 3 it should be a committee of d2 or some other source.Because let's be realistic here they (committee )can be influenced by someone else.So to be on the selection committee I think you should not have any ties to any d3 program.Because let's be honest here with are self you could be influenced by a team over b team because of someone on the committee can be alot closer to (A)team then (B)team.

If they don't have ties to any d3 program, they won't know enough to make decent decisions.  They do this extremely well.  If you look back at brackets from ten or fifteen years ago, you'd be really happy about how the process has evolved.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Hoops fan if they just crunch the number then why not have a committee from outside d3.Let me tell you back in the late 70s and early 80s Dr Renkell from Albright was on the committee and Scranton should have hosted but Renkell being on the committee pulled some strings and Albright which was in the playoff got to host instead.So if you guys are not saying there is no influence on the committee I just don't believe it.I have been around the game along time to now there will always be someone on the committee to do favors for certain teams.Scranton a team that has the most Ncaa playoffs hosted once since Danzig has been coach and then you look at a team like Emory 18-7or Amherst or Wooster that 95%of the time in the last ten years hosting there is something wrong.Maybe not this year but look at the past couple years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2016, 02:55:45 AM
The women have been more resistant in this regard as you've mentioned.
Even last season I remember there being a mini meltdown by some team about not getting in that most thought would make it & you had the actual chairperson on your show & asked her point blank why were they left out & someone else was given the chance. Her answer sounded more like Jackie Gleason on the Honeymooners when caught doing something dumb by his wife as opposed to a well thought out & articulate defense.

The women's committee chair last year (and the year before) was Dave Martin of Misericorida (at the time)... not sure who you thought I was talking to. Prior to that - completely different story. LOL

Dave is no longer chair because two things happened:
- he initially stepped down as chair, but remain on the committee, because he wanted to give someone else a chance on the committee or he would have served four years as chair
- he then shifted to Scranton which took him out of the Atlantic and put him in the Mid-Atlantic where Bobbi Morgan already was RAC chair... that removed him from the board completely.

Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2016, 02:55:45 AM
Don't always agree but the effort you've given over the past several days to keep us all informed about all the teams in all the regions has been fantastic.

Thanks...well done.

Thank you... I do appreciate this. It is a very exhausting few weeks and final four days (including Monday), so I appreciate that the effort is noticed.

Quote from: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 11:21:55 AM
Dave is this the same chairperson 2 years ago that screwed Scranton from hosting and sent them up north to Brockport?I think the committee should be made up of individually outside divison 3 it should be a committee of d2 or some other source.Because let's be realistic here they (committee )can be influenced by someone else.So to be on the selection committee I think you should not have any ties to any d3 program.Because let's be honest here with are self you could be influenced by a team over b team because of someone on the committee can be alot closer to (A)team then (B)team.

Sorry - but no chance. We have people complaining now that committee members don't understand or appreciate teams. Now you want to bring in someone from Division II, which has FAR less teams and slightly different requirements (they have one I have to look up that would never work in Division III) and have them pick the teams in Division III? I'm sorry, but I am not for that and I can't imagine one single person in Division III who would be for that.

I get what you are saying, but believe it or not the national committee especially over the last ten plus years has evolved into a very good group. The evolution of things has been amazing and what they do now to get teams in and get the bracket put together is simply terrific compared to where this all started. I know all of them, and most of them very well, and they check their egos at the door, they make sure they come to the table educated and informed, and are willing to have their own thoughts and beliefs not only challenged but changed.

No, the chairperson two years ago was not the same one as this year. That was Steve Ulrich and he is off the board (last year was his last year on the board). And it wasn't Steve who made the decision to move Scranton that year. That was a committee decision. I will also say that I think the committee learned a lot from that particular year. I truly now believe that 2014 was a transition year in many ways. They 2012 was still a little old school, 2013 was ridiculously tough because of Atlanta, and 2014 saw a lot of newer faces than normal. The committee was trying to evolve and move forward and they took some leaps of faith and they didn't pan out - to make matters worse, the Ulrich interview was hands down one of my worst in my Hoopsville career from a personal point of view. I actually think what they did with Scranton (and wasn't explained very well at the time) is what we now hear they are doing. They are going to allow the top seeds to host, but no longer protect the second regionally ranked team. The second "set" of hosts are going to be based more on who deserves it nationally coupled with geographic needs. Scranton was the second regionally ranked team that year. They were probably a sign of this new shift. This year the Mid-Atlantic got three hosts and the committee chair flatly said they felt the Great Lakes and Mid-Atlantic (along with Central) were the deepest regions in terms of good teams from top to bottom and we rewarded accordingly.

Quote from: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Hoops fan if they just crunch the number then why not have a committee from outside d3.Let me tell you back in the late 70s and early 80s Dr Renkell from Albright was on the committee and Scranton should have hosted but Renkell being on the committee pulled some strings and Albright which was in the playoff got to host instead.So if you guys are not saying there is no influence on the committee I just don't believe it.I have been around the game along time to now there will always be someone on the committee to do favors for certain teams.Scranton a team that has the most Ncaa playoffs hosted once since Danzig has been coach and then you look at a team like Emory 18-7or Amherst or Wooster that 95%of the time in the last ten years hosting there is something wrong.Maybe not this year but look at the past couple years.

But it is more than crunching numbers. They are understanding why the Northeast can have 10 results versus regionally ranked opponents and a Texas team can have three and it might be considered equal because of locations and regions.

What you describe in the 70s and 80s continued into the 90s. I would be happy to tell you the story, if you don't know it, of how Goucher got completely screwed out of the tournament and why I feel it may have been the tipping point to get rid of the "good old boys" system. That system really doesn't reside anymore. I talk to these committee members on the air, over the phone, via text, and especially over a few beers. I will push them and prode them for information and I will pick up if I think something is off - and you better believe I will call them out on it if need be. I no longer sense the good old boys system in place. They are well aware of the responsibilities they have to get the selections and brackets done as well as possible and take those responsibilities seriously. Also those at the top of the NABC want what is best for the entire country and student-athletes and will speak up when anyone seems to be getting screwed (the 2014 bracket was a hot topic both of what I was arguing about and how I argued it) and considering those at the top of the NABC aren't even in the tournament should speak volumes to what people are talking about and considering when making these decisions.

NABC leaders (both in title and in work):
- Page Moir, Roanoke
- Charlie Brock, Springfield
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson
- Pat Cunningham, Trinity (TX)
- Mike McGrath, Chicago
- Dan Priest, Kenyon
- there are several others I could mention

There simply isn't favors going on and I challenge and welcome you to talk to committee members and NABC individuals. They are more than transparent and happy to discuss things with you. Their contact information is public record and they are always happy to talk about the process and their goals and motivations.

As for looking for something wrong - you are seeing things. If there was something wrong, I would call them on it as I did in 2014. I feel you are looking for reasons to suspect a conspiracy when in reality these people are doing their best for the student-athletes involved. We call out the women and we have actually called out the men when necessary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 01, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Landmark Awards officially announced today. Brendan Boken wins POY.

1st Team
Brendan Boken (Scranton)
Bryson Fonville (Catholic)
Jay Howard (Catholic)
Mike Klinger (Drew)
Marcus Lee (Juniata)
Josh Miller (Susquehanna)

2nd Team
Brandon Hedley (Susquehanna)
Kevin Herring II (Drew)
Brandon McGuire (Moravian)
Kevin Miles (Goucher)
John Vitkus (Scranton)
Steven Weidlich (Susquehanna)

Defensive POY: Vitkus
Rookie of the Year: Oneil Holder (Moravian)
Coaching Staff: Susquehanna

Did okay with my picks. I knew 2nd team would look different from what I thought. I really believe David Smith from USMMA should've been a 2nd teamer, but there's always deserving players left out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Dave next time you have the committee on just ask one question why does Amherst always host please do that for me since 2002 to 2016 everything was at Amherst in round 1 or2 with the exception of 2009 the only time and they were beaten by Gwynedd Mercy.Scranton couldn't even host in 2014 with a 24-3 that year I think with Amherst hosting every year since 2002 except maybe 1 or 2 years is not transparent
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Dave next time you have the committee on just ask one question why does Amherst always host please do that for me since 2002 to 2016 everything was at Amherst in round 1 or2 with the exception of 2009 the only time and they were beaten by Gwynedd Mercy.Scranton couldn't even host in 2014 with a 24-3 that year I think with Amherst hosting every year since 2002 except maybe 1 or 2 years is not transparent


It's not a mystery.  Strength of Schedule.  They have good teams and they play good teams.  Being in the NESCAC (and single round robin) helps a lot, but there's also not a lot of power conferences nearby, so when the regional rankings come out, they're #1.  They let the top region teams host.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
Amherst didn't host last year either.

But Hoops Fan nails it... they put a better SOS together with better out-of-conference opponents. Yes, they are able to put together a better resume because the conference doesn't play as many games, but they still accomplish the feat. Further more, they usually have a handful of losses at worse. This year and last year are some of their higher numbers, but to be fair there are a lot of losses in Division III this year. I honestly can't think of a year where Amherst hosting was a shocking turn of events.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 04:12:40 PM
 Dave why didn't they host last year?Because the women had the right and even sometimes that don't stop the men from hosting because they also got alot of byes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 04:24:36 PM
No... Amherst men wouldn't have hosted last year even if the women's weren't blocking them. They were the five-seed in the NESCAC tournament and got in thanks to getting to the NESCAC title where they lost to Wesleyan (7-seed). They were traveling no matter what - even if they had won the conference title.

And Amherst has only hosted ONCE when having the bye and the women hosted their pod as well. It took place in 2013 and because of the strangeness of the men's bracket that year it was the second weekend. Men's second round/women's round of 16 and quarterfinals. Since then, the NCAA liaisons especially on the men's side have told me it will never happen again. They feel it takes away from the experience for both sides to feel crammed into a weekend together (especially the visiting teams). But it happened once in a very wacky men's bracket to begin with.

* - I should add the double-hosting thing will actually never happen again because it looks highly likely that MBB will be a full 64-team bracket next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
San Juan -- why is everything a conspiracy or a complaint? Maybe just try to enjoy the run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 04:47:32 PM
Coleman you and Dave are using the word conspiracy I am asking questions or is that a problem to.I never mentioned anything about conspiracy I am asking legit questions that need to be asked and everything is transparent as they say.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 04:47:32 PM
Coleman you and Dave are using the word conspiracy I am asking questions or is that a problem to.I never mentioned anything about conspiracy I am asking legit questions that need to be asked and everything is transparent as they say.

I notice you didn't try to defend the other word I used, though. Try not complaining and just watch basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 08:25:22 PM
Very intelligent answer!!!I am just posting up what this board is about!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 01, 2016, 08:29:07 PM
Lot more people on this board that complain more then me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
So how do the Royals match up against Lynchburg?


I know they score a lot and lost to CNU. The only common opponent with the Royals..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2016, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
So how do the Royals match up against Lynchburg?


I know they score a lot and lost to CNU. The only common opponent with the Royals..


It'll come down to whichever team can dictate pace.  Lynchburg doesn't have the size to handle Boken and Victus inside, but Scranton really cannot run with Lynchburg.  I think it'll be a really fascinating matchup.  It's one of my top three first round matchups.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 12:32:43 PM
Thanks for being bullish on the Royals in your preview Pat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 12:32:43 PM
Thanks for being bullish on the Royals in your preview Pat.

I'm saying there's a chance. :)

Folks, just five more hours to enter the men's D-III bracket challenge before tonight's tipoff!
https://d3challenge.com/login/register.php
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
So how do the Royals match up against Lynchburg?


I know they score a lot and lost to CNU. The only common opponent with the Royals..

Sorry didn't realize Lynchburg beat Goucher as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
So how do the Royals match up against Lynchburg?


I know they score a lot and lost to CNU. The only common opponent with the Royals..

Sorry didn't realize Lynchburg beat Goucher as well.

Some Tweet/pics from OWU where Royals are practicing now; one pic is of OWU's NCAA championship banner when they beat Scranton in the final.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2016, 08:52:38 PM
Why don't they use the #d3h hashtag so we can all see them easier?! SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2016, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2016, 08:52:38 PM
Why don't they use the #d3h hashtag so we can all see them easier?! SMH

I'll tweet them your suggestion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
Great piece to get Cardinal fans in the mood, from WTOP, Washington's #1 radio station.

http://wtop.com/ncaa-basketball/2016/03/catholic-university-returns-to-ncaa-tournament-hosts-games-this-weekend/

WASHINGTON — Next week, American, Georgetown, George Washington, and Howard Universities will all take aim at their respective conference tournament championships and the accompanying spot in the NCAA Tournament. But one Washington team has already qualified for the NCAA Tournament, and will host a game on campus in D.C. this weekend or, if all goes well, two of them.

Catholic University ensured itself a place in the Division III Tournament by winning the Landmark Conference Championship last Sunday with a thrilling 83-80 victory over Susquehanna. The Cardinals (22-5) may have been in line for an at-large berth regardless, but head coach Steve Howes was happy it didn't come to that.

"It means that my stomach had a free Sunday to relax," said Howes in an interview in his office this week. "I was able to sleep Saturday night."

(continued)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
Pathetic.

Reassign Danzig!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 04, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Brutal end to the season for the Cards, losing their 1st home game of the season to Endicott 84-76. I don't know whether the team was too tight or nervous, but it was one of the worst shooting nights of the year. Cards built a 9-point lead early in the second half, but then gave up a 17-2 run over the next 4 minutes and were never able to recover. Very tightly officiated game and it never allowed either team to get in a real rhythm.

It speaks to what a special player Bryson Fonville is that in his final college game he almost has a triple-double (10 pts, 7 reb, 9 assists) but has one of his poorer overall games in a CUA uniform. He shot just 4-15 from the floor and was guilty of trying to make too much happen on several occasions. Still, he's an all-time great and a genuinely irreplaceable player. It was a real pleasure to watch him for 4 years.

Only appropriate to mention Kyle and Kevin Phanord together. The two best captains in well over a decade and their leadership will be sorely missed for a long time. Kyle leaves as one of the great 3pt percentage shooters the school has had and Kevin leaves as a great individual defender and instant energy-changer. I got to know both of them over their 4 years and am sorry to see them go.

On to next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2016, 12:18:58 AM
Catholic didn't play the kind of defense they needed to play and Endicott played just enough.  I thought both teams executed pretty well on offense.  EC hit 7-11 from three in the second half - tough to catch a team like that.

The real travesty is that Catholic would've likely gotten to host the second weekend if they'd made it through.  Missed opportunity.


Kudos to Catholic and the staff there, though.  This is my fifth NCAA tournament and they were, by far, the best hosts I've seen.  Not that everyone else was bad (although some were), but just a first class event all the way through.  I really appreciated it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2016, 08:37:35 AM
Congrats to Boken on becoming the all time leading scorer in Universtiy of Scranton history. The only thing good to come out of last night, besides Catholic losing :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2016, 11:49:35 PM
Well, its been a really lousy tournament for the Mid-Atlantic, and Landmark went 1-3.  Disappointing all the way around.

I'm not going to sugar coat it, Catholic's loss was one of the most disappointing in the program's recent history.  I was actually quite surprised that Endicott nearly beat Wooster today, so maybe I didn't give them enough credit, but I came away thinking that CUA had a lot more talent, just didn't execute.

Yes, there was some defensive problems, but actually it was just one of those games where the ball wouldn't go in.  Their 3 point shooting had been consistently good this year, yesterday it wasn't.  It didn't help that their best 3 point shooter picked up 2 early fouls and never got into any kind of rhythm.   

It really, really pained me to see Bryson Fonville go out that way--what a great player, fantastic career and certainly not defined by one bad game.  But, truthfully, he had a really rough game--and CUA is just not deep enough to survive a 4-15 night from their best player. 

I was also really disappointed to see one of our seniors lose composure at the end of the game and get a well-deserved T when it was still a 5 point game.  That cannot happen and there's no excuses for it.  It put the game out of reach once and for all.

Now look, I didn't like the way the game was officiated- and I was saying so when Catholic was up at halftime.  It ended up being wildly inconsistent--in the first half, everything was called, both teams were in the bonus really early and the game had no flow.  That does generally benefit the weaker team, and indeed there were a few occasions where Catholic seemed poised to open up a healthy lead only to get called for some uber ticky tack foul.  But okay, that's the way the game is going to be called, you have to adjust.  But my problem is down the stretch it wasn't how the game was called at all, and suddenly nothing was a foul inside which was the only place Catholic was having any success.  I'm not blaming the officiating for the loss, it wasn't their fault, but it was still a lousy job.  I don't get to as many games anymore but it has looked to me like things have improved in that department, I was expecting better in a tournament game.

And on Endicott's side, as was pointed out--they went 7-11 from 3 in the 2nd half, and a bunch of those were well contested and/or really deep.  They just got really hot and hit a lot of shots.

On the plus side, Jay Howard had another great game, a lot of toughness.  I'm excited about what he can do over the next two years--he will threaten scoring records at Catholic.  It will be a much different team next year, but there's still some good talent, so it should be pretty competitive. 

On to next season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2016, 12:06:32 AM

Endicott was the most impressive team in the pod.  Wooster buckled down when they needed to, but if EC hits one more FT it's over in regulation.  They return pretty much the whole team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 06, 2016, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 06, 2016, 12:06:32 AM

Endicott was the most impressive team in the pod.  Wooster buckled down when they needed to, but if EC hits one more FT it's over in regulation.  They return pretty much the whole team.

Glad I decided to go to the Endicott-Wooster game last night. I figured Wooster would cruise, but Endicott showed that their offense is tough to prepare for. Took their foot off the gas and left the door open for Wooster, which they gladly walked through. Endicott should've won. Really enjoyable game for the neutral.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2016, 12:25:28 AM
Yeah - can't leave the door open to Coach Moore and Wooster... way too much experience to allow that door to stay open without walking through. I mean, it was Moore's 1,001 career game. LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2016, 09:18:23 AM
This is pretty cool, check out PA.

http://herosports.com/news/best-college-basketball-team-in-every-state-regardless-of-division#1?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Photo&utm_campaign=Basketball

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 07, 2016, 10:38:45 AM
Very cool NEPAFAN! Thanks for sharing. I see Cabrini and Alvernia were 4 & 5. +1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 07, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2016, 12:18:58 AM

Kudos to Catholic and the staff there, though.  This is my fifth NCAA tournament and they were, by far, the best hosts I've seen.  Not that everyone else was bad (although some were), but just a first class event all the way through.  I really appreciated it.

Interesting to hear you mention Catholic as the best host you've seen. I would be curious to see if the teams feel the same way, many times Catholic will put visiting team in a classroom with no showers or bathroom. At the Landmark Championship game vs SUS I crossed paths with a few Catholics players in the restroom at half time, maybe their locker room facilities are lacking all around, not just for the visiting teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 07, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2016, 12:18:58 AM

Kudos to Catholic and the staff there, though.  This is my fifth NCAA tournament and they were, by far, the best hosts I've seen.  Not that everyone else was bad (although some were), but just a first class event all the way through.  I really appreciated it.

Interesting to hear you mention Catholic as the best host you've seen. I would be curious to see if the teams feel the same way, many times Catholic will put visiting team in a classroom with no showers or bathroom. At the Landmark Championship game vs SUS I crossed paths with a few Catholics players in the restroom at half time, maybe their locker room facilities are lacking all around, not just for the visiting teams.

I do know at least one of the visiting teams got the dance practice room as their lockerroom.  Not sure if there's showers.  I wasn't in any of the locker rooms so I don't know, but it's possible those accommodations weren't as great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2016, 12:06:04 AM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 07, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2016, 12:18:58 AM

Kudos to Catholic and the staff there, though.  This is my fifth NCAA tournament and they were, by far, the best hosts I've seen.  Not that everyone else was bad (although some were), but just a first class event all the way through.  I really appreciated it.

Interesting to hear you mention Catholic as the best host you've seen. I would be curious to see if the teams feel the same way, many times Catholic will put visiting team in a classroom with no showers or bathroom. At the Landmark Championship game vs SUS I crossed paths with a few Catholics players in the restroom at half time, maybe their locker room facilities are lacking all around, not just for the visiting teams.

Remember, media and others don't get to see much of those things for varying reasons. Ryan is telling his experience.

I would agree that CUA tends to be stretched thin in terms of teams... but they do a good enough job for the NCAA to keep rewarding them with hosting opportunities. And some of that is not atypical for Division III schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2016, 11:07:48 PM
NEPA:

Excellent!
What we've always known.  ;)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
Looking back on the Landmark Preseason coaches poll, no major surprises for the most part. One thing to note that had me confused in the preseason as well, Why would Steve Howes vote Goucher (a team who hasn't finished above .500 in either conference or regular season in the past decade) to finish #1?. Goucher obviously made a coaching change but IMO that is an off the wall pick to win the conference.

2015 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank Institution (First Place) Points
1. Catholic (8)
2. Susquehanna
3. Scranton
4. Drew
5. Juniata
6. Merchant Marine
7. Goucher (1)
8. Elizabethtown
9. Moravian 

Congrats to Coach Marcinek, Brendan Boken, Josh Miller, and Bryson Fonville on the All-Region honors.  '16-'17 Will be an interesting year in the Landmark with Boken, Fonville, and Miller all moving on. Time for some new stars to emerge Howard, Vitkus, and Weidlich all appear ready to step into larger roles.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2016, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
Looking back on the Landmark Preseason coaches poll, no major surprises for the most part. One thing to note that had me confused in the preseason as well, Why would Steve Howes vote Goucher (a team who hasn't finished above .500 in either conference or regular season in the past decade) to finish #1?. Goucher obviously made a coaching change but IMO that is an off the wall pick to win the conference.

2015 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank Institution (First Place) Points
1. Catholic (8)
2. Susquehanna
3. Scranton
4. Drew
5. Juniata
6. Merchant Marine
7. Goucher (1)
8. Elizabethtown
9. Moravian 

Congrats to Coach Marcinek, Brendan Boken, Josh Miller, and Bryson Fonville on the All-Region honors.  '16-'17 Will be an interesting year in the Landmark with Boken, Fonville, and Miller all moving on. Time for some new stars to emerge Howard, Vitkus, and Weidlich all appear ready to step into larger roles.

Damn... I actually got the answer to why Howes made that pick, at least through the conference office, and I can't remember what the explanation was now. Darn it. I remember hanging up the phone and shrugging my shoulders. I had been planning to write an op-ed on it, but my research into that and a couple of other conferences resulted in it being understood. That or CUA's pick was the only one that was off the wal so it didn't indicate a larger problem.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 15, 2016, 05:15:48 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
Looking back on the Landmark Preseason coaches poll, no major surprises for the most part. One thing to note that had me confused in the preseason as well, Why would Steve Howes vote Goucher (a team who hasn't finished above .500 in either conference or regular season in the past decade) to finish #1?. Goucher obviously made a coaching change but IMO that is an off the wall pick to win the conference.

2015 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank Institution (First Place) Points
1. Catholic (8)
2. Susquehanna
3. Scranton
4. Drew
5. Juniata
6. Merchant Marine
7. Goucher (1)
8. Elizabethtown
9. Moravian 

Congrats to Coach Marcinek, Brendan Boken, Josh Miller, and Bryson Fonville on the All-Region honors.  '16-'17 Will be an interesting year in the Landmark with Boken, Fonville, and Miller all moving on. Time for some new stars to emerge Howard, Vitkus, and Weidlich all appear ready to step into larger roles.

Hopefully there was a real reason for Howes to give his 1st place vote to Goucher other than the fact that since he can't vote for his own team he just picked the first team his finger landed on.

For next season, it's still way too early, but it feels like everyone has serious question marks. Susquehanna and Juniata seem like the top contenders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 15, 2016, 05:15:48 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
Looking back on the Landmark Preseason coaches poll, no major surprises for the most part. One thing to note that had me confused in the preseason as well, Why would Steve Howes vote Goucher (a team who hasn't finished above .500 in either conference or regular season in the past decade) to finish #1?. Goucher obviously made a coaching change but IMO that is an off the wall pick to win the conference.

2015 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank Institution (First Place) Points
1. Catholic (8)
2. Susquehanna
3. Scranton
4. Drew
5. Juniata
6. Merchant Marine
7. Goucher (1)
8. Elizabethtown
9. Moravian 

Congrats to Coach Marcinek, Brendan Boken, Josh Miller, and Bryson Fonville on the All-Region honors.  '16-'17 Will be an interesting year in the Landmark with Boken, Fonville, and Miller all moving on. Time for some new stars to emerge Howard, Vitkus, and Weidlich all appear ready to step into larger roles.

Hopefully there was a real reason for Howes to give his 1st place vote to Goucher other than the fact that since he can't vote for his own team he just picked the first team his finger landed on.

For next season, it's still way too early, but it feels like everyone has serious question marks. Susquehanna and Juniata seem like the top contenders.

I've seen coaches do that if they thought some other team might be challenging theirs for #1 - they give those points to someone they know won't be near the top to keep some voting points from a rival and maybe give their team a bump.  I can't see Howes as one of those guys - maybe he lost a bet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 21, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
With the end of the season I'm just catching up on the All-American and All-Region stuff. Nice to see the Landmark put three guys on Mid-Atlantic first team All-Region ( Boken, Miller, Fonville). Also, congrats to Boken for being named D3Hoops 1st Team All-American and Josh Miller for being named 4th Team All-American. Bryson Fonville managed an honorable mention for All-American.

Obscene homer moment: How Jay Howard was not named either 1st or 2nd team All-Region is mystifying.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 23, 2016, 08:28:38 PM
 Just a guess at next season's outlook without regard to incoming recruits
                    2015-6 record        grad losses                                                          probable starters
Catholic           13-3               Fonville,Phanords(2),Calling                    Howard,Stanford,Mitchell,Khouri   
Susque            13-3              Hedley, Miller                                            Weidlich,Weiss,Traub,Reichard,Hoagland
Scranton          11-5             Boken Thomas                                         Doolan,Vitkus,Danzig,Schankweiler,McCullough
Juniata               9-7             Koehler,Ogle,Fleming,Brewer                   Lee, Martinazzi,Fisher,Rickens
Drew                  8-8             Klinger,Herring,McLaughlin,Miller              Feinberg,Aldrich,Taylor
Goucher            6-10           Miles,Canary,Allen,DeShields                     Outing,Stefanides
Moravian           5-11           ___________________________           McGuire,Holder,Murray,Jennings,Hanna
E-town              1-15           James.Lane                                               Eden,Lapkowicz,Krieger

  Anticipating Catholic, Susque, Scranton, Juniata, Moravian contending for the four playoff positions with a max of 9 wins and the other 3 teams grouped around 5 conference wins.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 24, 2016, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 23, 2016, 08:28:38 PM
Just a guess at next season's outlook without regard to incoming recruits
                    2015-6 record        grad losses                                                          probable starters
Catholic           13-3               Fonville,Phanords(2),Calling                    Howard,Stanford,Mitchell,Khouri   
Susque            13-3              Hedley, Miller                                            Weidlich,Weiss,Traub,Reichard,Hoagland
Scranton          11-5             Boken Thomas                                         Doolan,Vitkus,Danzig,Schankweiler,McCullough
Juniata               9-7             Koehler,Ogle,Fleming,Brewer                   Lee, Martinazzi,Fisher,Rickens
Drew                  8-8             Klinger,Herring,McLaughlin,Miller              Feinberg,Aldrich,Taylor
Goucher            6-10           Miles,Canary,Allen,DeShields                     Outing,Stefanides
Moravian           5-11           ___________________________           McGuire,Holder,Murray,Jennings,Hanna
E-town              1-15           James.Lane                                               Eden,Lapkowicz,Krieger

  Anticipating Catholic, Susque, Scranton, Juniata, Moravian contending for the four playoff positions with a max of 9 wins and the other 3 teams grouped around 5 conference wins.   

Happy Trails to MMA.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 25, 2016, 11:33:47 AM
Or bon voyage. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 25, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Or in the maritime tradition, we wish the "Fair Winds and Following Seas"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:18 PM
Very hard to predict now, but does any one see the Landmark being a two bid conference next year? And do you think the Landmarks 1-4 NCAA tourny record this year will have any affect on at large bids from the Landmark going forward?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 25, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
 The record was 1-3, not 1-4, but was disappointing because there were 3 home games and 1 neutral-court game. While not in the selection criteria, poor NCAA results have to be somewhere deep in the minds of the selectors.
  Absent very good newcomers, only Catholic and Susque seem strong enough to warrant at-large consideration, if needed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 25, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 25, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
The record was 1-3, not 1-4, but was disappointing because there were 3 home games and 1 neutral-court game. While not in the selection criteria, poor NCAA results have to be somewhere deep in the minds of the selectors.
  Absent very good newcomers, only Catholic and Susque seem strong enough to warrant at-large consideration, if needed.

No way of knowing for sure and it's very early, but I don't see CUA having the kind of season that could earn an at-large bid next season. Aside from the 4 seniors, I have a feeling there's going to be a roster overhaul this summer. There are 6 guys who were sophomores this past season, none of whom played even a small role. In fact, 5 of those 6 played in fewer games and played fewer minutes as sophomores than they did as freshmen. I was surprised they all came back this past year and I'm sure they won't all be back next year. Could be the best part of another whole class that's gone before senior year.

Right now I'm seeing 5 guys returning next season who even played 100 minutes last year. Some of those guys will have greatly increased roles next year. Gonna be a lot of growing pains next season, but some of these guys show great potential and I look forward to them getting their chance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2016, 11:31:29 AM
Previous years results in the tournament have NO bearing on the NCAA selections. Absolutely none.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on May 11, 2016, 12:19:15 PM
On June 20, the U of S will be honoring Bob Bessoir with the Peter A. Carlesimo Award at the Saucon Valley Country Club in Bethlehem Pa. I'm betting that the championship team of '76 will be well represented at the event.

Named in honor of Peter A. Carlesimo, former University of Scranton coach and athletics director, the Carlesimo Golf Tournament & Award Dinner celebrates athletics at The University of Scranton and honors a person who has made special contributions to athletics.

http://www.scranton.edu/development/athletics-fund/carlesimo/index.shtml
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on May 11, 2016, 12:19:15 PM
On June 20, the U of S will be honoring Bob Bessoir with the Peter A. Carlesimo Award at the Saucon Valley Country Club in Bethlehem Pa. I'm betting that the championship team of '76 will be well represented at the event.

Named in honor of Peter A. Carlesimo, former University of Scranton coach and athletics director, the Carlesimo Golf Tournament & Award Dinner celebrates athletics at The University of Scranton and honors a person who has made special contributions to athletics.

http://www.scranton.edu/development/athletics-fund/carlesimo/index.shtml

Would love to play Saucon Valley and attend the dinner, honoring Coach Bessoir but the tariff is too pricey for a retiree. Went to the 2009 U.S Women's Open @ Saucon Valley; would be a thrill to play there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 12, 2016, 08:54:25 PM
Benefactors' $2.6M Gift to Support Presidential Priorities at The University of Scranton
05/12/2016

Sometimes one key decision can alter the course of an entire life.

A loyal and generous alumnus and lifelong friend of The University of Scranton remembers clearly one of the critical decisions that eased his burden as a young person and has shaped his perspective on the world since.

The time was the mid-1970s. He was in his junior year at the University, newly married, earning good grades as a business student and making his mark as a student athlete, yet he was struggling financially.

The young couple visited the University's Financial Aid Office with at least a measure of fear for their futures and asked what could be done. The office's ultimate decision to support its student-athlete in a time of need became a turning point the couple has never forgotten.

The student-athlete received the funding he needed to finish school, and, as he tells his story, every piece after that just seemed to fall into place to build what is now a successful and rewarding career at the highest levels of the college-sports world in one of the biggest college-sports states in the country.

Looking back, he said, the decision was one of the key things in his life that could have gone either way. He's not sure any other school would have done for him what Scranton did. That's why, 40-plus years later, the receiver has become the giver, one who could not be prouder to return the favor several times over by making a $2.6 million gift to the University, designating it for presidential priorities.

Just don't try to credit him or his wife, who has enjoyed a successful career in nursing.

"This couple, who wish to remain anonymous, did not make this gift for recognition," Gary Olsen, vice president for University Advancement, explained. "But they do hope to inspire others to support and give to Scranton."

The donors have repeatedly said the University helped make their lives fulfilling.

"They also have stressed that they are not the only people who can say Scranton has made them who they are," Olsen said, noting the company of leadership givers they have joined, people who say Scranton permanently changed them for the better.

Kevin P. Quinn, S.J., University president, has personally met many such givers in his tenure at Scranton and can vouch for the humility he encounters on a regular basis.

"These donors have truly answered St. Ignatius' call 'to love and serve in all things'," said Fr. Quinn. "They are servant leaders with servant hearts, and they are as humble as they are generous. We are extremely grateful for the transformations their selflessness will make possible at Scranton."

Fr. Quinn and Olsen both stressed the family atmosphere and mindset present at Scranton that motivated the benefactors to give so generously.

Despite having led richly rewarding lives away from campus, Fr. Quinn said, these benefactors say the best times of their life took place in Scranton, and they'll neither forget their first apartment nor the people who surrounded them then and remain in their lives today.

Olsen noted that the couple stress "the real sense of community felt at Scranton."

The former student-athlete sees Scranton as the place that lays the firm foundation, Olsen said, adding, "He attributes all of the successes he has gone on to have to the great experiences he has had here."

"One truly great thing about Scranton is that it really is a student-first organization, our donor has told us," Olsen said, noting it was that way when the student-athlete came to campus shortly after it went co-educational, and it remains so today.

"This significant gift will help this University continue to serve its students with the personal attention they deserve as individuals who have come here to learn where they want to make their mark and exactly how they want to set the world on fire in the Ignatian tradition," said Fr. Quinn.

Supporting such self-discovery is extremely important to these esteemed benefactors. "These donors have told us you really do find out who you are and what you want to do with your life when you come to Scranton," said Fr. Quinn. "Entrusted with this wonderful gift, we will use it wisely to continue to mold and shape our students as leaders and innovators who never forget they are men and women for and with others."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 13, 2016, 12:07:09 AM
 Wonder what the Presidential priorities are going to be? Maybe Fr. Quinn will disclose at Alumni Weekend next month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 13, 2016, 07:17:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 13, 2016, 12:07:09 AM
Wonder what the Presidential priorities are going to be? Maybe Fr. Quinn will disclose at Alumni Weekend next month.

Rink no need to be modest  ;D. New arena with jumbotron ?  :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 13, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 13, 2016, 07:17:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 13, 2016, 12:07:09 AM
Wonder what the Presidential priorities are going to be? Maybe Fr. Quinn will disclose at Alumni Weekend next month.

Rink no need to be modest  ;D. New arena with jumbotron ?  :P

Nothing jumbo - the loss to the Tufts Jumbos hasn't passed, yet. :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on May 15, 2016, 05:57:55 PM
In order to stir up some off season chatter...

Rank the desirability of Landmark Head Coaching jobs based off of: geographic location, basketball history, facilities, majors offered, enrollment, tuition, academics, etc

Curious to see people's opinions.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on May 16, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
Ha ! I plan on attending U of S Alumni weekend in a few weeks and will report back to our D3.com community any announcements which may suggest how they will use the $2.6m. How about paying the city to close up Mulberry Street and make it part of the campus like they did to Linden Street many moons ago ? Just wishful thinking..  : - ) 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 16, 2016, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on May 16, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
Ha ! I plan on attending U of S Alumni weekend in a few weeks and will report back to our D3.com community any announcements which may suggest how they will use the $2.6m. How about paying the city to close up Mulberry Street and make it part of the campus like they did to Linden Street many moons ago ? Just wishful thinking..  : - )

That'll be at least two of us,then;  nepafan's wife, but I don't know about nepafan himself, will be there, also. During cocktail hour, stop by the class of '66 area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on May 17, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
Will do....Thanks, Ronk....Let's hope for good weather...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
Here is hoping for good weather by June. Let's go find Father Quinn and at least ask for a HD feed on the basketball games. Normally I wouldn't think money would go to athletics from a donation like that; but they said several times it was a former athlete.

Hooper I am tracking on your question and have some ideas but will give it a few more days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on May 19, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 25, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 25, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
The record was 1-3, not 1-4, but was disappointing because there were 3 home games and 1 neutral-court game. While not in the selection criteria, poor NCAA results have to be somewhere deep in the minds of the selectors.
  Absent very good newcomers, only Catholic and Susque seem strong enough to warrant at-large consideration, if needed.

No way of knowing for sure and it's very early, but I don't see CUA having the kind of season that could earn an at-large bid next season. Aside from the 4 seniors, I have a feeling there's going to be a roster overhaul this summer. There are 6 guys who were sophomores this past season, none of whom played even a small role. In fact, 5 of those 6 played in fewer games and played fewer minutes as sophomores than they did as freshmen. I was surprised they all came back this past year and I'm sure they won't all be back next year. Could be the best part of another whole class that's gone before senior year.

Right now I'm seeing 5 guys returning next season who even played 100 minutes last year. Some of those guys will have greatly increased roles next year. Gonna be a lot of growing pains next season, but some of these guys show great potential and I look forward to them getting their chance.
At this point it is looking like the CUA coach has a hard time keeping assistants and players.
Kids no longer are interested in playing there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 23, 2016, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: Charles on May 19, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 25, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 25, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
The record was 1-3, not 1-4, but was disappointing because there were 3 home games and 1 neutral-court game. While not in the selection criteria, poor NCAA results have to be somewhere deep in the minds of the selectors.
  Absent very good newcomers, only Catholic and Susque seem strong enough to warrant at-large consideration, if needed.

No way of knowing for sure and it's very early, but I don't see CUA having the kind of season that could earn an at-large bid next season. Aside from the 4 seniors, I have a feeling there's going to be a roster overhaul this summer. There are 6 guys who were sophomores this past season, none of whom played even a small role. In fact, 5 of those 6 played in fewer games and played fewer minutes as sophomores than they did as freshmen. I was surprised they all came back this past year and I'm sure they won't all be back next year. Could be the best part of another whole class that's gone before senior year.

Right now I'm seeing 5 guys returning next season who even played 100 minutes last year. Some of those guys will have greatly increased roles next year. Gonna be a lot of growing pains next season, but some of these guys show great potential and I look forward to them getting their chance.
At this point it is looking like the CUA coach has a hard time keeping assistants and players.
Kids no longer are interested in playing there.

Do you have more information on this?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on May 24, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
In the past 7 years, only 8 players out of 35 recruited freshman have played for the entire 4 years.
The assistant coaches have not stayed either, in fact the only asst coach now is a grad assistant
The alumni aren't happy either.
There is an inherent problem with the program (or head Coach) when players don't want to play for him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on June 06, 2016, 06:03:33 PM
Ronk, sorry I missed you Saturday. It seems I was never in the same place long enough to track you down. If you had followed J. Kelly and big Mike Ely after 11pm, we would have been at the same place in Reddington Hall, 1st floor, large room, loud music, and lots of refreshments. '76 year was hosting it.

Hope you had a great time too !! Will catch up at the Long Season next season.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on June 06, 2016, 06:03:33 PM
Ronk, sorry I missed you Saturday. It seems I was never in the same place long enough to track you down. If you had followed J. Kelly and big Mike Ely after 11pm, we would have been at the same place in Reddington Hall, 1st floor, large room, loud music, and lots of refreshments. '76 year was hosting it.

Hope you had a great time too !! Will catch up at the Long Season next season.

Sorry I missed u also. Stayed in reddington 5 years ago when I was here w/o my wife. Our post-dinner program didn't end til 10:50, so I missed the party at the Byron. Missed Kelly lewandowski(Salisbury head coach) but I'll c her next month at the aau tourneys. Did meet with mike and Linda strong before the cocktail area and ran into nepafan in the bookstore Sunday Morn. John a Walsh ESPN exec editor til recently made remarks after dinner. Turns out we were only class to have 3 presidents (long, sponga, galvin) in our 4 years. Toured new buildings - rehab/therapy/nursing and the science center. Thoroughly enjoyed the weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 06, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on June 06, 2016, 06:03:33 PM
Ronk, sorry I missed you Saturday. It seems I was never in the same place long enough to track you down. If you had followed J. Kelly and big Mike Ely after 11pm, we would have been at the same place in Reddington Hall, 1st floor, large room, loud music, and lots of refreshments. '76 year was hosting it.

Hope you had a great time too !! Will catch up at the Long Season next season.

Sorry I missed u also. Stayed in reddington 5 years ago when I was here w/o my wife. Our post-dinner program didn't end til 10:50, so I missed the party at the Byron. Missed Kelly lewandowski(Salisbury head coach) but I'll c her next month at the aau tourneys. Did meet with mike and Linda strong before the cocktail area and ran into nepafan in the bookstore Sunday Morn. John a Walsh ESPN exec editor til recently made remarks after dinner. Turns out we were only class to have 3 presidents (long, sponga, galvin) in our 4 years. Toured new buildings - rehab/therapy/nursing and the science center. Thoroughly enjoyed the weekend.

Ronk looked for you at the picnic but couldn't find you..sorry to be so blunt in the bookstore...haha. Loyala Science Hall is coming down...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 08, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 06, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on June 06, 2016, 06:03:33 PM
Ronk, sorry I missed you Saturday. It seems I was never in the same place long enough to track you down. If you had followed J. Kelly and big Mike Ely after 11pm, we would have been at the same place in Reddington Hall, 1st floor, large room, loud music, and lots of refreshments. '76 year was hosting it.

Hope you had a great time too !! Will catch up at the Long Season next season.

Sorry I missed u also. Stayed in reddington 5 years ago when I was here w/o my wife. Our post-dinner program didn't end til 10:50, so I missed the party at the Byron. Missed Kelly lewandowski(Salisbury head coach) but I'll c her next month at the aau tourneys. Did meet with mike and Linda strong before the cocktail area and ran into nepafan in the bookstore Sunday Morn. John a Walsh ESPN exec editor til recently made remarks after dinner. Turns out we were only class to have 3 presidents (long, sponga, galvin) in our 4 years. Toured new buildings - rehab/therapy/nursing and the science center. Thoroughly enjoyed the weekend.

Ronk looked for you at the picnic but couldn't find you..sorry to be so blunt in the bookstore...haha. Loyala Science Hall is coming down...

I didn't make it in time for the picnic; got to registration about 3:45 and ran into Mike Strong; then off on the bldg tours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2016, 12:40:17 PM
We should start hearing about recruiting classes this month..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 15, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
Let me guess....the Lady Royals will have 6 recruits including a league MVP point guard and all time conference record 3 point shooter, an all conference 6' 2" wing/post from NYC, a transfer that was Rookie of the Year in a D II conference and a few others that scored between 800 and 1,400 points in HS.

Meanwhile, the Royals will probably bring in 4 kids....3 of which will never see the court until their junior year & 1 kid that may see pt at some point during the first semester.

Lady Royals continue to load up
Mens team...not so much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 16, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 15, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
Let me guess....the Lady Royals will have 6 recruits including a league MVP point guard and all time conference record 3 point shooter, an all conference 6' 2" wing/post from NYC, a transfer that was Rookie of the Year in a D II conference and a few others that scored between 800 and 1,400 points in HS.

Meanwhile, the Royals will probably bring in 4 kids....3 of which will never see the court until their junior year & 1 kid that may see pt at some point during the first semester.

Lady Royals continue to load up
Mens team...not so much.

Sounds like someone knows something...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on June 17, 2016, 05:41:45 PM
Saratoga is, by all reliable accounts, accurate in his description of the Lady Royals' commits for next year. The list is long and strong. It is indeed an exceptional incoming class!

So, here is a scary thought: when one considers the addition of these highly-touted newcomers--several of whom will be ready to make a substantive impact straight out of the gate--and if one also remembers that the team will return, not merely one, but two All-Americans along with the  D3 Hoops Mid-Atlantic Rookie of the Year--the Lady Royals figure to be both deeper and stronger than last season's 30-1 team, if it is possible to conceive that.

As Saratoga says, the team just keeps loading up.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 19, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
  Spoke with AD Dave Martin yesterday at a girls' AAU basketball tourney: a priority is getting campus fields for the baseball and softball programs. Asked him about the basketball schedules: they're being wrapped up now and should be posted soon. I know the women are tipping off with a tourney in Rochester and a Marywood assistant coach said yesterday that we were on their schedule. With MMA leaving the conference now, that means 2 more nonconference games each season.
  Best wishes tomorrow to everyone playing in the Carlesimo golf tourney @ Saucon Valley honoring Coach Bessoir, one of the few coaches to win multiple NCAA championships in different decades. Wishing I could be there.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 19, 2016, 09:40:46 PM
If anyone is interested in the Carlesimo Event honoring Bessior; More info at this site..

http://www.501auctions.com/carlesimo2016

and an article:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/collins-a-lasting-honor-for-a-treasure-of-a-coach-1.2057127
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 24, 2016, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on May 15, 2016, 05:57:55 PM
In order to stir up some off season chatter...

Rank the desirability of Landmark Head Coaching jobs based off of: geographic location, basketball history, facilities, majors offered, enrollment, tuition, academics, etc

Curious to see people's opinions.

Geographic Location:

1) Catholic
2) Drew
3) Goucher
4-8) The rest

The top three proximity to a large city; with Catholic being in a large city gives it the edge. No offense to the other schools but they are in the middle of no-where. Juanita is problem at the bottom of the list for really being in the middle of no-where.

Basketball History:

1) Scranton....a distant 2) Catholic for it's 1 National Championship..

I can't really can't speak to the other topics you mention; but you should probably add "online presence" or "streaming capabilities" to the list.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 24, 2016, 10:05:33 PM
 At this point, Moravian has become the 1st and only school to have their bball schedules added to the Landmark schedule. Their men's team will be playing a game @ Lafayette. Hopefully, the other schools will soon add their games to the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 28, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
It isn't a matter of adding them as it is a matter of when the schools or the Sports Information Director decides to make them public. Furthermore, I know there are teams around the country still trying to schedule opponents as we had to scramble to fill the Hoopsville Classic this season (long story). So, some schedules might not be ready to post. Heck, I know some schools who don't post their schedules for all kinds of reasons until October.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 28, 2016, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 28, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
It isn't a matter of adding them as it is a matter of when the schools or the Sports Information Director decides to make them public. Furthermore, I know there are teams around the country still trying to schedule opponents as we had to scramble to fill the Hoopsville Classic this season (long story). So, some schedules might not be ready to post. Heck, I know some schools who don't post their schedules for all kinds of reasons until October.

If Moravian knows their conference schedule, then all the schools know theirs also, so that can be posted. Plus, they can post the 95% of the nonconference schedule that is known at this point and won't change.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 29, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
I am super proud of Del Val's (not in the Landmark) ;), S.I.D. Matt Levy.  He had the Men's & Women's schedules up since Monday.  I've said it before on here, tons of plans get under way after studying those schedules.  We all need to see these schedules for something to look forward to.  The sooner the better!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 30, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 28, 2016, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 28, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
It isn't a matter of adding them as it is a matter of when the schools or the Sports Information Director decides to make them public. Furthermore, I know there are teams around the country still trying to schedule opponents as we had to scramble to fill the Hoopsville Classic this season (long story). So, some schedules might not be ready to post. Heck, I know some schools who don't post their schedules for all kinds of reasons until October.

If Moravian knows their conference schedule, then all the schools know theirs also, so that can be posted. Plus, they can post the 95% of the nonconference schedule that is known at this point and won't change.

Some schools... and coaches... don't see it that way, I guess. Not sure what to tell you. While I agree on the conference stuff, the non-conference stuff is always in flux. As I said, I solved a Hoopsville Classic problem just a few days ago... which had a trickle down affect on someone else's non-conference schedule. There is always a trickle down to the smallest of changes. Heck, NYU doesn't even know where their games are going to be played! And I know other schedules that have come out that I feel are inaccurate due to some tournament schedule changes that are probably coming.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 30, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
To me it shows that the athletic department and the coaches place real relevance on their respective programs.  One can always make unforeseen changes after the schedule is presented to the public.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 01, 2016, 07:48:39 AM
Quote from: kate on June 30, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
To me it shows that the athletic department and the coaches place real relevance on their respective programs.  One can always make unforeseen changes after the schedule is presented to the public.

They could just have a 9 or 10 month SID who isn't going to work over the summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 01, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Good point Hoops Fan.  Del Val is very fortunate to have a full time S.I.D. with Matt Levy.  He's very thorough with all the school's athletic releases throughout the year including the summer months.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 01, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
 As it turns out, the conference part of the men's and women's basketball schedules are available for the next 2 seasons on the Landmark web site under Admin/Landmark Schedules   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 08, 2016, 04:29:37 PM
Yeah - some conferences like the Centennial as well post those online mainly for the coaches, but certainly for others to see as well. I keep forgetting about them until looking for something else. HAHA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 21, 2016, 09:13:02 PM
Word coming out of DC today seems to indicate that former CUA Head Coach Mike Lonergan may be in some hot water for apparently being
"verbally & emotionally abusive" to current and past players at George Washington Univ.

Article goes on to say that he has lost 3 kids to transfer in each of the past 4 years and 1 after his first season.
Losing 13 kids in 5 years is stuff the other coaches love to discuss when recruiting.

Based upon what Charles has stated recently regarding the current CUA coach having a hard time keeping kids...perhaps the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 22, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Here's the story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/gw-basketball-players-report-coachs-verbal-and-emotional-abuse-many-fled-school/2016/07/21/b7d5bd12-4dae-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html#comments
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on July 22, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 22, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Here's the story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/gw-basketball-players-report-coachs-verbal-and-emotional-abuse-many-fled-school/2016/07/21/b7d5bd12-4dae-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html#comments

Reply to the WaPo story on Longergan yesterday in today's paper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/07/22/former-gw-player-defends-mike-lonergan-i-have-never-felt-like-he-crossed-the-line/

I'm not going to offer an unqualified defense of Lonergan before the story reaches its conclusion, but there are always two sides to each story. He did not have similar transfer problems during his last 10 years or so at Catholic.

Charles is very right in that a large number of players have left Catholic early during Coach Howes' tenure. I thought I had posted about that before, but maybe not. It is definitely a large number. I'm not going to immediately link that with Howes learning under Lonergan. They are different people.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 23, 2016, 09:35:32 AM

There's also a different expectation of coaches today.  People just aren't going to put up with abuse.  Guys like Coach K can get angry and scream from time to time, but that's not a general demeanor.  I don't know Lonergan, but I've had some exposure to some of the coaches who've suffered similar complaints of late and it seems to me there's just a certain style of coaching that doesn't have a future - namely the Bob Knight school.  IF, and I emphasize IF Lonergan is one of those guys, he'll have to change or move on.

We can say all we want about soft kids these days who've been too coddled or expect special treatment and certainly there's some truth to it, but there's also a changing culture that doesn't look at yelling as a motivational technique, except in maybe certain rare circumstances.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper on July 24, 2016, 11:04:34 AM
While I agree in principle, there has always been room for people like Knight. You may not like his demeanor, but he is a great Coach.  As a player, you have to know what you are getting into with every Coach.  A Coaches "public persona" is not necessarily how they are behind closed doors or in practice.   Guys like Creen, Izzo are tough on players.   So are many others...  Coack K is a Bob Knight disciple.  Listen to Coach K's comments on Knight.  They are a glowing endorsement of the man. 

The difference in D3 is that a Coach has no "scholarship" to hang over a players head.  A D3 player can choose not to play or transfer with no recourse.  D3 is a different animal from a Coaching perspective with players. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2016, 02:41:01 PM

Its the difference between shame and anger.  I do think most kids expect their coaches to be angry now and then (and I know very few coaches who aren't), but there's no longer real acceptance for a coach to use shame as a motivator.  That's really at least what the rumors are here - the same way they were with Sheryl Swoopes at Loyola.  Kids have been upset by abusive behavior meant to induce shame as a means of change.  That used to be widely acceptable in society and especially in sports.  It's just not anymore. It's easy for a coach, especially a coach who's been at it a long time, to cross that line.

Again, I have no inside info on Lonergan, so I don't want to cast aspersions - I just wanted to point out the distinction between a kid who won't take criticism and one who won't suffer abuse.  It's a distinction even beyond what style people respond to - there are plenty of kids who don't mind being yelled at for motivation, but it sure does matter what's being said during the yelling.

I imagine it's a difficult line for coaches to walk, which is why you're seeing so many of these stories pop up in recent years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 28, 2016, 09:30:18 AM
There is a report on twitter that Corey Standford has transferred out of Catholic to TCNJ.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on July 30, 2016, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 21, 2016, 09:13:02 PM
Word coming out of DC today seems to indicate that former CUA Head Coach Mike Lonergan may be in some hot water for apparently being
"verbally & emotionally abusive" to current and past players at George Washington Univ.

Article goes on to say that he has lost 3 kids to transfer in each of the past 4 years and 1 after his first season.
Losing 13 kids in 5 years is stuff the other coaches love to discuss when recruiting.

Based upon what Charles has stated recently regarding the current CUA coach having a hard time keeping kids...perhaps the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

What?  Come on, that's garbage.  You're better than that.

First of all, I have no idea what Lonergan did or didn't do, but the transfer rates tell you nothing--there's been a huge uptick in transfers across the board, and those GW numbers aren't unusual.  We'll see what transpires in this case, but Lonergan was at Catholic for a long time. He was intense and sometimes fiery, but he knew where the line was and I know a lot of former players who would bust a wall for him.

As far as "the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree"--if that is supposed to mean that maybe there is some kind of abuse of players going on at Catholic, that's complete BS and has no place on this board.  Coach Howes and Coach Lonergan have very different personalities--if you've watched them coach you know that. That's not even a whiff of that around Coach Howes and never has been. 

I think its hard to keep players at this level, especially if they aren't playing a lot.  Catholic brings a lot of talented guys in every year and some of them don't play.  Just in terms of sheer numbers, they have a big roster and a lot of recruits every year.  Eventually some of them work their way into the rotation--we saw that this past year--and some of them don't.  We're not in practice every day and we don't know exactly what's happening. 

We'll see what happens with Lonergan, he's been an incredible coach everywhere he's gone, and his programs have always had a family atmosphere around them.  Hopefully he will get the benefit of a fair and impartial investigation.  But don't go even go there and try to link any of that to Catholic or Coach Howes. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 30, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
My comment (apple not far from the tree), was not to infer that the current CUA coach is verbally or emotionally abusive at all.
What I was referring to was the exodus of players from GWU (per the Post article for those specific reasons), and one that appears to be going on the past several years at CUA based upon the information posted by Charles (for whatever reasons).

It would seem that if what NEPA fan just posted is accurate regarding Stanford, then that exodus seems to continue & in this case, it would certainly not be for lack of playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on August 02, 2016, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 30, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
My comment (apple not far from the tree), was not to infer that the current CUA coach is verbally or emotionally abusive at all.
What I was referring to was the exodus of players from GWU (per the Post article for those specific reasons), and one that appears to be going on the past several years at CUA based upon the information posted by Charles (for whatever reasons).

It would seem that if what NEPA fan just posted is accurate regarding Stanford, then that exodus seems to continue & in this case, it would certainly not be for lack of playing time.

Corey Stanford is gone (personal reasons). It's not related to anything at Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 04, 2016, 11:16:57 PM
Royals' schedule now posted on web page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 15, 2016, 12:57:35 PM
http://wnep.com/2016/08/13/sanctions-against-susquehanna-university-football-team/

I would have posted this on the Football board; but couldn't find the right place.


Self imposed sanctions for Susquehanna's football program. They are going to suspend the kid for 3 games, but keep his identity secret. How does that work?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 15, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 15, 2016, 09:30:46 PM
How does a student & his family with an overdue bill of probably several thousand dollars not know someone bailed them out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2016, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 15, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.

It's not difficult to figure out who it is but we'll know for sure when he doesn't play in the first game. In the end, it's Lopardo who is most at fault here and the name that should be highlighted.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 17, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2016, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 15, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Almost every single investigation I know of that the NCAA or schools do never mention the student-athlete by name. If you look at the Baruch case, there were something like 20 student-athletes... they are Student-Athlete 1, 2, 3, etc. No names. Mainly because sometimes they are the innocent bystanders to everything.

You could post this in the Centennial board on football located in the South Region.

D3football.com has a complete write-up on it as well when we broke the news Saturday. It is not good. The booster's name will be removed from the football stadium and possibly elsewhere, the trustee involved has been removed from the board and cannot interact with athletics for at least five years, the team vacated it's wins and are on post-season probation. And overall it shows a major problem they have to handle quickly.

Ah the South Region, okay. Yeah but how do you keep anonymity when you are suspending 1 kid for 3 games? Isn't it going to be obvious?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Who knows in the long run... I just know they will not do it in reports.

It's not difficult to figure out who it is but we'll know for sure when he doesn't play in the first game. In the end, it's Lopardo who is most at fault here and the name that should be highlighted.

Correct on so many levels.

Quote from: saratoga on August 15, 2016, 09:30:46 PM
How does a student & his family with an overdue bill of probably several thousand dollars not know someone bailed them out?

The family clearly knows who paid the bill... I just won't speak for the student-athlete on if he knew. But the report clearly indicates one of the parents came directly to Lopardo about paying the tuition.
Title: Landmark Conf. Preseason Predictions
Post by: Hooper42 on September 06, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Way too early pre-season projections...
1. Susquehanna- played in 2 of the last 3 landmark title games, return good core group from last years nationally ranked team. Will need to replace Miller and Hedley
2. Juniata- return majority of team that qualified for Landmark Playoffs last season. Lee will lead the way coming off a 17 ppg and 6 rpg season.
3. Scranton- replacing All American Brendan Boken will be a challenge, Vitkus does appear to be a formidable replacement. Will be interesting to see how he performs when defenses are focused on him. Doolan and Danzig need to step up if team intends to return to NCAA tourney..
4. Catholic- defending champs lose 3 key guards to graduation (Fonville, and both Phanords) and forward Stanford to transfer. Howes will need some guys from his bench/incoming freshman to develop quickly to provide All conference forward Jay Howard with some help defending the title.
5.Moravian- returns their big 3 of Murray, Holder, and Mguire, 2nd year head coach Potts may have Greyhounds in race for playoffs in year 3
6. Drew- need to replace top 2 leading scorers for a chance to battle for playoff spot
7. Etown- Shlosser returns 3 leading scorers from last years squad, hoping to climb out of the basement of Landmark and return program to the glory years of early 2000s
8. Goucher- losing top 2 scorers to graduation,, the Gophers will look to improve on last years 10-15 record.

POY: Howard- CUA and or Weidlich- Sus
COY- Curley- Juniata does a great job of keeping program competitive year in and year out. Huntingdon Pa is not exactly a basketball hotbed
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 06, 2016, 06:27:39 PM
  Conference should be more competitive from top to bottom, although losing much in quality players that don't seem to be replaced with newcomers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 06, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
Matt L,
  Is that you in the Wash Post Metro story yesterday on the prospective move of the Redskins to Loudoun County?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 09, 2016, 12:35:38 PM
That is Matt...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 17, 2016, 02:02:16 AM
Where there's smoke, there must be a fire...Lonergan out at GW.
According to sources, he was informed by a university administrator around noon today and was asked to immediately leave.
It was further stated that he left without saying a word to staff and did not show for a scheduled dinner this evening with a recruit & his family.
I'm sure much more detail will be available in the coming days.
This is already messy & will likely become even more so in the future.
Kind of a shocker to end this way without at least an internal administrative warning for corrective action.
Apparently, an outside investigative firm was brought in & just released their findings.
Stay tuned.








Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 18, 2016, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 17, 2016, 02:02:16 AM
Where there's smoke, there must be a fire...Lonergan out at GW.
According to sources, he was informed by a university administrator around noon today and was asked to immediately leave.
It was further stated that he left without saying a word to staff and did not show for a scheduled dinner this evening with a recruit & his family.
I'm sure much more detail will be available in the coming days.
This is already messy & will likely become even more so in the future.
Kind of a shocker to end this way without at least an internal administrative warning for corrective action.
Apparently, an outside investigative firm was brought in & just released their findings.
Stay tuned.

Thanks for the scoop. Anything new in Royal Land ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 18, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 18, 2016, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 17, 2016, 02:02:16 AM
Where there's smoke, there must be a fire...Lonergan out at GW.
According to sources, he was informed by a university administrator around noon today and was asked to immediately leave.
It was further stated that he left without saying a word to staff and did not show for a scheduled dinner this evening with a recruit & his family.
I'm sure much more detail will be available in the coming days.
This is already messy & will likely become even more so in the future.
Kind of a shocker to end this way without at least an internal administrative warning for corrective action.
Apparently, an outside investigative firm was brought in & just released their findings.
Stay tuned.

Thanks for the scoop. Anything new in Royal Land ?

Captains have been named: Vitkus,Danzig,Doolan
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Not super relevant to D-III, but since all the coverage of this story has been one-sided (perhaps the AD is the unnamed source?), here's a response.

I and John Dowd represent Coach Mike Lonergan. Below is a statement we are releasing on his behalf.

Regards,

Scott Tompsett and John Dowd

Statement on Behalf of Coach Mike Lonergan

George Washington University terminated Coach Lonergan's employment with almost five years remaining on his contract. He cooperated fully with the University's Title IX review. The University never identified to the Coach his accuser, much less the details and the substance of the anonymous accusations. He was denied administrative due process in the form of a hearing as required by his contract and the policies of the University. The University failed and refused to give Coach Lonergan written notice of the outcome of the Title IX review, which is required by the University's own policy, and the University violated the confidentiality provisions of the policy by issuing a press release about the review. He will seek appropriate relief from the University for this wrongful termination and treatment.

Coach Lonergan has been a college basketball coach for twenty-eight years with a superior, unblemished reputation for inspiring and protecting his players. He has graduated every single player he recruited. Last season Coach Lonergan coached the team to its best single season in program history and led the team to its first ever NIT Championship. He is the father of five young children.

Coach Lonergan wants to thank those current and former players, their parents, his former staff and colleagues, and others who have supported him throughout his coaching career. He looks forward to coaching at another school in the future.

Scott Tompsett
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on September 18, 2016, 07:52:59 PM
This Lonergan thing seems like a real mess. Friday night he was being fired, yesterday morning there was local reporting that GW was buying him out of his contract, and by last night he was being fired again. When the initial report came out a few months ago, it always seemed like this would end with him losing his job. Even if the investigation came up empty, why would he stay there after that? Also seems weird that he went with the team on their preseason trip to Japan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 06, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
  The Landmark yearbook is now out with a few pages on its history as it celebrates its 10th anniversary. http://bit.ly/2dxIKzC
Kate, especially, would be interested in the formulation of the conference of like-minded institutions.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 06, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
  The Landmark yearbook is now out with a few pages on its history as it celebrates its 10th anniversary. http://bit.ly/2dxIKzC
Kate, especially, would be interested in the formulation of the conference of like-minded institutions.  ;D

Unless you are the Ivy League or one of the Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy cocktail napkin conferences up in New England, I've never understood the "like-minded institutions" perspective. It is a false narrative and it is perception vs. reality. I will not name players/parents nor will I name schools, but I could write a book, a thick one at that, of athletes over the last 30+ years who did not quite have the chops on paper to get into many of these so called "like-minded institutions". Had they not had an ability to dribble, shoot, score........they would have never gotten in as a plain, old, regular student.

Just remember, whether you are learning it from a professors teaching assistant, with zero real world experience, who speaks some broken English, at Penn or Harvard..........or whether you are at Bloomsburg, learning it from a 35 year accountant himself, who speaks perfect English........a debit is a debit.......a credit is a credit. The periodic table doesn't change regardless of where you go to school and shortly after graduation......one will sink or swim based on their own merits, not the name on a piece of paper hanging on the wall.

I'd bet the "like-minded institutions" had to choke this one down hard when it came out. Two MAC schools in the Top Six of 79 reporting schools in the state. Carnegie-Mellon, Pitt and Villanova have some work to do. That's a lot of very gifted, like-minded students failing right out of the box. Ouch!!!!! ;)

http://www.delval.edu/news/delval-students-excel-on-the-cpa-exam

Oh, and the Bloomsburg mention is by design. Number One attorney in the State of PA (out of the Top 100) and the number one futures and commodities trader (and the guy who taught me)..........both undergrads from Bloomsburg. Riddle me that. ;)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 07, 2016, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 06, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
  The Landmark yearbook is now out with a few pages on its history as it celebrates its 10th anniversary. http://bit.ly/2dxIKzC
Kate, especially, would be interested in the formulation of the conference of like-minded institutions.  ;D

Unless you are the Ivy League or one of the Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy cocktail napkin conferences up in New England, I've never understood the "like-minded institutions" perspective. It is a false narrative and it is perception vs. reality. I will not name players/parents nor will I name schools, but I could write a book, a thick one at that, of athletes over the last 30+ years who did not quite have the chops on paper to get into many of these so called "like-minded institutions". Had they not had an ability to dribble, shoot, score........they would have never gotten in as a plain, old, regular student.

Just remember, whether you are learning it from a professors teaching assistant, with zero real world experience, who speaks some broken English, at Penn or Harvard..........or whether you are at Bloomsburg, learning it from a 35 year accountant himself, who speaks perfect English........a debit is a debit.......a credit is a credit. The periodic table doesn't change regardless of where you go to school and shortly after graduation......one will sink or swim based on their own merits, not the name on a piece of paper hanging on the wall.

I'd bet the "like-minded institutions" had to choke this one down hard when it came out. Two MAC schools in the Top Six of 79 reporting schools in the state. Carnegie-Mellon, Pitt and Villanova have some work to do. That's a lot of very gifted, like-minded students failing right out of the box. Ouch!!!!! ;)

http://www.delval.edu/news/delval-students-excel-on-the-cpa-exam

Oh, and the Bloomsburg mention is by design. Number One attorney in the State of PA (out of the Top 100) and the number one futures and commodities trader (and the guy who taught me)..........both undergrads from Bloomsburg. Riddle me that. ;)

Teaching assistant that speaks broken English; are you serious?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 07, 2016, 10:54:36 AM
Hey, I went to a school in one of those Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy conferences...and that still makes me laugh. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 08, 2016, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 07, 2016, 10:54:36 AM
Hey, I went to a school in one of those Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy conferences...and that still makes me laugh. :)

But you are not the stereotypical Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy, Trust Fund Baby from those conferences..........who thinks their you-know-what doesn't stink!! ;)

Salmon colored shorts, with pictures of lobsters (or labstahs) on them........with a Polo or Izod shirt with the collar in the up position. They were easy prey on Spring Break......and I went to Swarthmore, which is no joke (I wouldn't get in today), but we were out on our own island vs. having an entire conference of schools like us. Yuck!! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 08, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 07, 2016, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 06, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
  The Landmark yearbook is now out with a few pages on its history as it celebrates its 10th anniversary. http://bit.ly/2dxIKzC
Kate, especially, would be interested in the formulation of the conference of like-minded institutions.  ;D

Unless you are the Ivy League or one of the Biffy-Buffy-Tiffy cocktail napkin conferences up in New England, I've never understood the "like-minded institutions" perspective. It is a false narrative and it is perception vs. reality. I will not name players/parents nor will I name schools, but I could write a book, a thick one at that, of athletes over the last 30+ years who did not quite have the chops on paper to get into many of these so called "like-minded institutions". Had they not had an ability to dribble, shoot, score........they would have never gotten in as a plain, old, regular student.

Just remember, whether you are learning it from a professors teaching assistant, with zero real world experience, who speaks some broken English, at Penn or Harvard..........or whether you are at Bloomsburg, learning it from a 35 year accountant himself, who speaks perfect English........a debit is a debit.......a credit is a credit. The periodic table doesn't change regardless of where you go to school and shortly after graduation......one will sink or swim based on their own merits, not the name on a piece of paper hanging on the wall.

I'd bet the "like-minded institutions" had to choke this one down hard when it came out. Two MAC schools in the Top Six of 79 reporting schools in the state. Carnegie-Mellon, Pitt and Villanova have some work to do. That's a lot of very gifted, like-minded students failing right out of the box. Ouch!!!!! ;)

http://www.delval.edu/news/delval-students-excel-on-the-cpa-exam

Oh, and the Bloomsburg mention is by design. Number One attorney in the State of PA (out of the Top 100) and the number one futures and commodities trader (and the guy who taught me)..........both undergrads from Bloomsburg. Riddle me that. ;)

Teaching assistant that speaks broken English; are you serious?

Listen to the students themselves (I've hired.......and fired many of them over the past 30 years) and at the "elite" schools, that it what they say verbatim. It is not a knock whatsoever, just the occasional fact that is pointed out by many students of this ilk. You may be personally too far away from the matter to ever hear it being brought up, but I hear it weekly (I sometimes read it as an excuse for a student who got in the front door of the "elite" school........but didn't excel). You picked out a fraction of the much broader subject matter, as the majority of it is fact and difficult to challenge. Regardless of where you go to school, especially if you are challenged socio-economically, your success or lack thereof will happen based on your hard work and diligence........not where you went to school. One of the wealthiest guys in my inner circle (about $110 million net worth) went to a tiny college in Philadelphia (Spring Garden College). You've probably never heard of it as it doesn't exist anymore. It went the way of Upsala and dozens of other small schools over the past 25+ years. Nicest guy in the world. One of the most giving people you'll ever meet. There is no "like-minded" here....... only "steel-minded" in his determination and resolve. I preach that all of the time to students. Just because you don't wind up in an ultra-competitive, elite school.......the possibilities are just as endless. I went to Swarthmore (wouldn't get in today) and I've done quite well for myself, but I think that I would have done just as well if I went to West Chester or East Stroudsburg because a few years into my career, where I went to undergrad never came up. It truly mattered to nobody. When I was promoted to a SVP position, I was backfilled by a gentleman from Holy Family (in NE Philadelphia), after his first two years at Bucks County Community College. He is now Kevin Plank's right hand man, advising him strategically and managing a large trust account. Kevin didn't care that he went to a community college and a non-descript, "non-elite" school. He came from absolutely nothing.......was the first in his family to go to college and has become a rockstar. I'll take a dozen of him over a dozen Ivy Leaguers any day of the week.........just as Kevin has done. ;)

My local boys (no names, just initials), former Scranton hoopsters (R.A and D.L. from CBW) can and have attested to this as they both work every day with people who run the gamut from the "elite's" to the "like-minded's" to the "hell, I just needed a piece of paper" to the "I didn't go to college".........and they are in the same muck as thousands of others, with their school from back in the day having zero influence on whether they climb the ladder or get passed on by. Like-minded........the false narrative in education (see the shenanigans with Harvard hoops.......the whole story never came out) ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 16, 2016, 10:04:42 AM
  I was on Catholic U's campus last night for Alumni Weekend - my wife was in the celebratory Golden 50th class. President Garvey stopped by for some pre-dinner remarks. Among other items, he mentioned a $2.5 million gift for Dufour Center improvements(locker rooms and coaches' rooms). Didn't think to ask him what the timeline was. Opponents should welcome the upgrade as Landmark doubleheader basketball games strained those resources.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2016, 11:20:38 PM
I don't know what the timeline is but they are actively fundraising for it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 02:50:16 PM
Saw Goucher's squad for the first time last night at their "Halloween Madness" ... and was disappointed to find out Mychal Stefanides had transferred to a community college ... because someone apparently convinced him he could play D1 (I usually don't pay attention to the comings and goings of athletes in the offseason for a whole host of reasons). Not saying Stefanides isn't a good player, not saying he isn't smart, but I am blown away by the number of athletes who have someone in their ear telling them they can play D1 when it isn't a realistic choice - at least not if they want to actually play. Saw it at St. Mary's a few years ago - that player disappeared at Bowie (if he ever got on the team - lost track). Stefanides is no Duncan Robinson and he isn't even Matt Hart (played at Hamilton, transferred to George Washington). Disappointing because I think it only ends up hurting the player in the long run because people have a false sense of competition, skill sets, and the ability to succeed. Not to mention the fact, standing out in Division III isn't a bad thing or should ever be discounted in return for being buried at DI.

Off my soap box.

Goucher is a very young team with a lot of new faces (only announced maybe four names from last year's squad? Might be off there)... they will compete in the conference especially since I think the Landmark will be far more condensed, but this is the true start of the rebuilding phase in Towson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 28, 2016, 03:12:36 PM
Rebuilding what? Have they ever made the conference playoffs?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Rebuilding from ten years of status quo. New coach and coaching staff and going at it anew from a recruiting point of view (head coach on the recruiting trail, not something often seen by Trevino). And you don't have to make the playoffs for a program to be rebuilt. If you are starting over, you are rebuilding. It is a fair use of the term.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Rebuilding from ten years of status quo. New coach and coaching staff and going at it anew from a recruiting point of view (head coach on the recruiting trail, not something often seen by Trevino). And you don't have to make the playoffs for a program to be rebuilt. If you are starting over, you are rebuilding. It is a fair use of the term.

It's more than a very fair use of the term Dave............but you know those elitists who live in thriving, bucolic Scranton. That's how they roll. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2016, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 02:50:16 PM
Saw Goucher's squad for the first time last night at their "Halloween Madness" ... and was disappointed to find out Mychal Stefanides had transferred to a community college ... because someone apparently convinced him he could play D1 (I usually don't pay attention to the comings and goings of athletes in the offseason for a whole host of reasons). Not saying Stefanides isn't a good player, not saying he isn't smart, but I am blown away by the number of athletes who have someone in their ear telling them they can play D1 when it isn't a realistic choice - at least not if they want to actually play. Saw it at St. Mary's a few years ago - that player disappeared at Bowie (if he ever got on the team - lost track). Stefanides is no Duncan Robinson and he isn't even Matt Hart (played at Hamilton, transferred to George Washington). Disappointing because I think it only ends up hurting the player in the long run because people have a false sense of competition, skill sets, and the ability to succeed. Not to mention the fact, standing out in Division III isn't a bad thing or should ever be discounted in return for being buried at DI.

Off my soap box.

Goucher is a very young team with a lot of new faces (only announced maybe four names from last year's squad? Might be off there)... they will compete in the conference especially since I think the Landmark will be far more condensed, but this is the true start of the rebuilding phase in Towson.

I had seen that stefanides wasn't on this year's roster; he looked good in the Scranton home game last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 28, 2016, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 02:50:16 PM
Saw Goucher's squad for the first time last night at their "Halloween Madness" ... and was disappointed to find out Mychal Stefanides had transferred to a community college ... because someone apparently convinced him he could play D1 (I usually don't pay attention to the comings and goings of athletes in the offseason for a whole host of reasons). Not saying Stefanides isn't a good player, not saying he isn't smart, but I am blown away by the number of athletes who have someone in their ear telling them they can play D1 when it isn't a realistic choice - at least not if they want to actually play. Saw it at St. Mary's a few years ago - that player disappeared at Bowie (if he ever got on the team - lost track). Stefanides is no Duncan Robinson and he isn't even Matt Hart (played at Hamilton, transferred to George Washington). Disappointing because I think it only ends up hurting the player in the long run because people have a false sense of competition, skill sets, and the ability to succeed. Not to mention the fact, standing out in Division III isn't a bad thing or should ever be discounted in return for being buried at DI.

Off my soap box.

Goucher is a very young team with a lot of new faces (only announced maybe four names from last year's squad? Might be off there)... they will compete in the conference especially since I think the Landmark will be far more condensed, but this is the true start of the rebuilding phase in Towson.

I had seen that stefanides wasn't on this year's roster; he looked good in the Scranton home game last year.

He was a very good shooter who seemed to finally be settling in. Not to be harsh, there wasn't anything about his game that screamed D1 to me and we all have seen guys who could have easily played D1. But bigger point, what is wrong with playing D3? I get very frustrated with those who don't know anything about the divisions and yet tell people they know they can go D1. I think it hurts the students more than anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2016, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Rebuilding from ten years of status quo. New coach and coaching staff and going at it anew from a recruiting point of view (head coach on the recruiting trail, not something often seen by Trevino). And you don't have to make the playoffs for a program to be rebuilt. If you are starting over, you are rebuilding. It is a fair use of the term.

It's more than a very fair use of the term Dave............but you know those elitists who live in thriving, bucolic Scranton. That's how they roll. ;)

Uncalled for; recommend civility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
Was on the Lackawanna College website; they scrimmage Scranton on Saturday. Former Scranton Assistant Brian Coyle is now the head man at Lackawanna.


Saw Catholic lost to Notre Dame; horrible loss for Catholic  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 08, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2016, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Rebuilding from ten years of status quo. New coach and coaching staff and going at it anew from a recruiting point of view (head coach on the recruiting trail, not something often seen by Trevino). And you don't have to make the playoffs for a program to be rebuilt. If you are starting over, you are rebuilding. It is a fair use of the term.

It's more than a very fair use of the term Dave............but you know those elitists who live in thriving, bucolic Scranton. That's how they roll. ;)

Uncalled for; recommend civility.

That starts with ronk (but a mutual acquaintance says hell freezes over first ;) )
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2016, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
Was on the Lackawanna College website; they scrimmage Scranton on Saturday. Former Scranton Assistant Brian Coyle is now the head man at Lackawanna.


Saw Catholic lost to Notre Dame; horrible loss for Catholic  ;D

I applaud Catholic for scheduling the game with Notre Dame(the 2nd time in recent years). While they are D3 players now, it's nice to get a glimpse of the D1 experience from the inside; that was the highlight of my bball "career"-playing in the mecca of college bball(the Penn Palestra) as part of a tripleheader with the finale being a Big 5 showdown between St. Joe(future NBA coach Jimmy Lynam) and Penn(Pulitzer author John Wideman).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2016, 10:50:51 AM
QuoteThat starts with ronk (but a mutual acquaintance says hell freezes over first ;) )

I've found Ronk to be a very pleasant gentlemen when I've met him in person. So perhaps there's hope for civility to abound. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2016, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 09, 2016, 10:50:51 AM
QuoteThat starts with ronk (but a mutual acquaintance says hell freezes over first ;) )

I've found Ronk to be a very pleasant gentlemen when I've met him in person. So perhaps there's hope for civility to abound. :)

Luckily, Kelliann Conway is now available to rebrand my image. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:45:54 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on November 16, 2016, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 08, 2016, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
Was on the Lackawanna College website; they scrimmage Scranton on Saturday. Former Scranton Assistant Brian Coyle is now the head man at Lackawanna.


Saw Catholic lost to Notre Dame; horrible loss for Catholic  ;D

I applaud Catholic for scheduling the game with Notre Dame(the 2nd time in recent years). While they are D3 players now, it's nice to get a glimpse of the D1 experience from the inside; that was the highlight of my bball "career"-playing in the mecca of college bball(the Penn Palestra) as part of a tripleheader with the finale being a Big 5 showdown between St. Joe(future NBA coach Jimmy Lynam) and Penn(Pulitzer author John Wideman).
Don't kid yourself, this isn't about the players as much as it is s photo op for Coach Howes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 16, 2016, 11:34:00 AM
Susquehanna lost to Miseri in double overtime yesterday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 17, 2016, 02:22:21 PM
Catholic's season gets underway Saturday against Hamilton. Unfortunately I will have to miss it, but I'll be very curious to see how things go early on. Lot of new faces again this season (8 new players). Obviously, there wasn't anything to learn from the exhibition game against Notre Dame. Hopefully players will fit into some defined roles early on and it doesn't become a revolving door of substitutions all season. I am excited to see some of the new players but I think this season may require some patience.

Personally, I was surprised to see Catholic ranked as high as #2 in the Landmark pre-season. I thought Juniata would have been higher. We'll just have to see.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
  Scranton begins its 100th year of college basketball tomorrow hosting Sarah Lawrence. This will be a season-long celebration featuring fan voting for the all century team and submission of photos for inclusion on the web site. I have personally watched 58 years worth ever since defeating Gonzaga with the nation's leading scorer(Frank Burgess) in 1958.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
Real nice job by the Royals winning the Cross County Challenge for the 6th. straight year by knocking off Kings yesterday & blasting Wilkes today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2016, 06:24:45 PM
Have a very hard time understanding how a 4-1 Susquehanna team that has played every game thus far at home & against the likes of the Penn St. Wilkes Barre's & Harrisburg's of the world is better than a 5-0 Scranton team.


Perhaps they are better but not right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2016, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 28, 2016, 06:24:45 PM
Have a very hard time understanding how a 4-1 Susquehanna team that has played every game thus far at home & against the likes of the Penn St. Wilkes Barre's & Harrisburg's of the world is better than a 5-0 Scranton team.


Perhaps they are better but not right now.

Who said Susquehanna is better than Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
NEPA:

Well, that would be the 25 prognosticators at D3 Hoops & their recent Mens Top 25.
It's on the internet...it has to be true!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2016, 11:07:15 PM
Scranton is 5-0 with wins at home over Sarah Lawrence, Bard, Cabrini and then at Wilkes and King's. Those last two wins are decent, but not earth shattering. The Monarchs and Colonels combined to go .500 last year.

Susquehanna is 4-1 with wins at home over Penn State-Wilkes Barre, King's, Lycoming, Penn State Harrisburg and the loss to Misericordia in 2OT.

Susquehanna has the loss in a close game and arguably a better win (Lycoming who won the MACC last year versus Cabrini who's 2-2).

I could go either way. Still a long way to go and plenty of time for Scranton to pass the Crusaders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2016, 01:45:15 AM
Gordon:

I actually agree with you.
The proof will be in the pudding.
History has taught me that the first game after the Royals finally get some recognition, they'll lose.
I have no idea why I go through this every year.
Has to be a cure somewhere.
And Gordon, speaking of history, those "Crusaders" are now the "River Hawks"... a degree of revisionism has hit the Grove full force.





















Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
Ahhh, that's right. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2016, 04:21:29 PM
Let's just focus on beating Hobart.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2016, 11:54:49 AM
I'm not voting for either. Too many parts gone from last year's squads. Waiting to see how they both do against far better competition. I think the top of the Landmark is going to be a very interesting battle as all three teams from last year have backed-up a bit to the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2016, 06:45:57 PM
On what planet is it a good business model to charge for your video stream as a D3 institution???  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2016, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2016, 06:45:57 PM
On what planet is it a good business model to charge for your video stream as a D3 institution???  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Don't get me started, but some argue it is the only way they can afford to run the service... but I digress.. trust me, don't get me started.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2016, 09:00:35 PM
The Royals come through right on cue.
Give them a little love & the very next game, as advertised, they fall flat on their faces.
Talk about a second half adjustment Hobart made & the Royals couldn't counter.
When one dimensional teams can't buy a basket from the outside (something like 1/16) from 3 point land, you know it's going to be a long year.
Don't adjust your speakers, that klanking sound is another 3 attempt bending the rims.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2016, 12:13:35 PM
With conference play beginning tomorrow, here's the preseason poll followed by my preconference play prediction:
2016-17 Landmark Conference
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 03, 2016, 07:04:19 PM
Finally got to see CUA in person this season. Exciting game with Louis Khouri hitting the go-ahead 3-pointer with 41 seconds left to give the Cardinals the lead for good. Capped off a huge game for Khouri who finished with 27 points. Jay Howard was his usual self with 24 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists.

Defending was an issue for both teams, but with the young team CUA has, any win is a good win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2016, 08:12:22 PM
Top 3 all win their first games. Some had an easier go than others.

How about the Royals not giving up an Offensive rebound? Quirky stuff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2016, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2016, 08:12:22 PM
Top 3 all win their first games. Some had an easier go than others.

How about the Royals not giving up an Offensive rebound? Quirky stuff.

Yes, I saw that - certainly makes it easier to win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2016, 10:26:55 PM
The irony in that statistic is 3 years ago the Royals were virtually dead last in all of DIII in gathering offensive rebounds.
To this day I'm not so sure they hit the glass very well themselves for second chance shots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2016, 12:02:41 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 04, 2016, 10:26:55 PM
The irony in that statistic is 3 years ago the Royals were virtually dead last in all of DIII in gathering offensive rebounds.
To this day I'm not so sure they hit the glass very well themselves for second chance shots.

Drew Shankweiler has been playing like a man possessed in this regard(offensive rebounds) the past 2 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 05, 2016, 08:06:37 PM
Saratoga good point and by the way all five guys should be attacking the rim bottom line.Kyle deverna needs to be a starter on that team that kid for a freshman is a player!He does everything a true point guard does steals,assist and drives to the basket great player
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 13, 2016, 09:10:36 PM
Another terrible loss to another losing team.But as long as his kid gets 31 to 35 minutes a game who the hell cares if you win just as long as my boy gets 31 minutes and zero points.Where the hell will that help the team?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
Augie,

You going to Puerto Rico? It is going to be old school, no live stats, no video, no radio..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 16, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
Nepafan I am not going to Puerto Rico with the team.After following this team as long as I have and Hotel after Hotel I have never been interested in Danzigs team in the last 3 years and as a faithful follower of Royals.The guy just can't get it done.But maybe with new AD those great Bessior years will comeback.I rather watch bessior 15-10 then Carl's 22-3that never makes it out of the first round.One thing I do know is that he has some pretty good freshman but they play behind his son.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 17, 2016, 01:22:58 AM
Hey Ronk; I would recommend you do your standings again for landmark conference if things do not change meaning lineup with the Royals I say they will miss the playoffs.My starting five would be kyle deverna at point guard kevin Doolin shooting guard mitch cross matt mancuso and vitkus have Ethan come off the bench he is a very streaky shooter and Chris McLoughlin gives you nothing along with Drew Schankweiler.They will be lucky coming out of Puerto Rico with a win.record this year 17 -8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2016, 01:57:08 AM
Augie,
  You may be right; their record could be 17-8; currently it's 6-2 with 4 non-conference games left and I foresee a 10-4 conference record.
   I do like Chris McCullough more than u do for his defense and tenacity; they could use a few more warriors when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
Looks like a link is up on the website for video and live stats for tomorrow at 3pm. If you want to watch in conjunction with your favorite NFL team on the TV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2016, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
Looks like a link is up on the website for video and live stats for tomorrow at 3pm. If you want to watch in conjunction with your favorite NFL team on the TV.

Hope they were able to fly out today; 6 years ago, they couldn't get to Vegas cuz the Scranton airport was closed.
  They were originally scheduled to play Dubuque on Monday and Montclair on Tuesday; looks like it has been changed to Emory&Henry on Sunday and Montclair on Monday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2016, 05:23:11 PM
I think Augie is correct.

I'd rather watch the women during a blizzard than the mens team during perfect winter weather.

There is an excitement & passion that's pretty evident at the women's games...the men, not so much.

Watching the guys is deja vu' year after boring year...cookie cutter pure vanilla.

Walk it up, 2 passes, bombs away.

Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2016, 03:01:59 PM
Looks like I spoke too soon on the video. ;(

But a good win over Emory and Henry ( who previously knocked off the #6 team in the nation).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 18, 2016, 06:46:35 PM
Ronk I remembered that year they were flying out of Philly and me and my uncle were in Las Vegas that year they were playing at Southpoint beautiful arena but the team never made it but we did we left 2 days earlier
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
That was the first year of the D3hoops.com Classic as well - six years ago. Scranton wasn't the only team. Amherst didn't make it either (though, one of their players did) - and I think there was a third team. My original flight was canceled (for the entire inch that fell in Baltimore; canceled 24 hours prior and ruined our personal plans). It resulted in a VERY busy event the next year.

South Point is a pretty solid arena for the event and being connected to the hotel is a major plus. This will be the seventh event this year. Makes for a busy December for many of us, but love doing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 19, 2016, 10:25:40 AM
Ronk that is like playing 4 on 5 he might play great defense but you also have to score were kyle deverna gives you both opportunitys.The kid is a freshman but he is really good.Reminds me of Mark Hutchinson maybe better
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 19, 2016, 11:30:46 PM
Top 25 out let's see Emory and Henry beats Virginia Wesleyan by 2.Scranton beats them by 15 I understand that Arcadia loss but come on you have Wesleyan still in your top30 or so with points but Scranton which crushed Emory and Henry no love just keep it up Scranton no numbers what so ever.My ? Is how can you put a 7-2 team that lost to Emory henry ahead of Scranton that destroyed that team.I guess just throw darts at the board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2016, 09:52:22 AM
Auhieni love ya but you can't say the stink and are going 18-7 and then the next week complain try hey aren't in the top 25. Susquehanna way over rated at 14 in this poll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Royals are getting no production scoring wise, rebound wise or assist wise from 2 current starters.
Getting 33 minutes & putting up 3 points is a somewhat better than a game last week where it was something like 35 minutes & zero points but still not really going to take you to the Promised Land with a stat sheet looking that empty.

Truly time to cut the ties that bind & play the kids that are producing far more in far less action.

DeVerna & Feinberg have earned the right to start.

Perhaps bringing some of these current starters in the game from the bench can add some instant offense & tough D.

Far too many games at this point with all around minimal contributions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 20, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Nepafan after that loss to Arcadia a team 3-4 beating us because coaches son plays 32 minutes produces maybe 6 and McLoughlin 0 in 30 minutes your right they did stink and I still believe 18-7 but my point is to the pollsters in the top 25 Scranton 8-2 Virginia Wesleyan 7-2 lost to Emory &Henry by 2 Scranton beats them by 15 my point I am trying to make is Washington u Steven's point Virginia Wesleyan CNU gets a lot of love from these top 25 voters but Scranton beats a team that beat a team that they give 27 pts Scranton 0.If you do a top 25 let's not be bias and look at facts bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: augie on December 20, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Nepafan after that loss to Arcadia a team 3-4 beating us because coaches son plays 32 minutes produces maybe 6 and McLoughlin 0 in 30 minutes your right they did stink and I still believe 18-7 but my point is to the pollsters in the top 25 Scranton 8-2 Virginia Wesleyan 7-2 lost to Emory &Henry by 2 Scranton beats them by 15 my point I am trying to make is Washington u Steven's point Virginia Wesleyan CNU gets a lot of love from these top 25 voters but Scranton beats a team that beat a team that they give 27 pts Scranton 0.If you do a top 25 let's not be bias and look at facts bottom line.

Let's see how the game with Neumann goes.  That might end up being the best team Scranton plays all season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 21, 2016, 07:25:15 AM
Could be:playing the likes of Valley Forge, Keystone, Clark Summit (Baptist bible).I understand they are 23Rd in this week's polling.I will be there!Merry Christmas to all on D3hoops
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: augie on December 21, 2016, 07:25:15 AM
Could be:playing the likes of Valley Forge, Keystone, Clark Summit (Baptist bible).I understand they are 23Rd in this week's polling.I will be there!Merry Christmas to all on D3hoops

They also beat Rowan, Eastern, Del Val, GMC, and Catholic so far.  Scranton doesn't exactly have a murderer's row schedule this year, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 21, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
We can go on and on we beat Montclair st that destroyed Rowan we beat Emory&Henry that beat a team in Virginia Wesleyan that is constantly in the top 40.I will take our Schedule over yours any day and final thought we play in a much tougher Division Landmark I think alot better from top to bottom over CSAC.Congrats being ranked.But to say Neumann might be the best team they play is a far cry from our league play compared to Neumanns
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Augie:

Ryan is our national columnist. He has no affiliation with Neumann or the CSAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Augie:

Ryan is our national columnist. He has no affiliation with Neumann or the CSAC.

More than that, I'm more skeptical than most on Neumann's strength vis-a-vis the rest of the country.  I'm not sure they're even a Top 25 squad, but, from what I've seen so far, I suspect they still might be better than anyone in the Landmark.  A lot will be worked out over the next few weeks.  The Landmark schools have some good games on tap and I may well be wrong, but I've not seen anything on the floor that leads me to consider them contenders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Merry Christmas Augie!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 21, 2016, 09:27:45 PM
Augie has a new line of hats & shirts to be sold at the Long Center & autographed by Coach Bob Bessoir...
"Make Scranton Great Again...bring me back"

Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 28, 2016, 01:04:50 AM
Totally unrelated, but congratulations to former Catholic star Bryson Fonville who is holding down an NBA D-League Roster spot.  Bryson is with the Texas Legends, an affiliate of the Dallas Mavericks.  He's averaging about 13 minutes a game and playing against D1 and international competition. 

I can't think of another Landmark player that has gone on to play that level of basketball, so this is quite an accomplishment even if he doesn't ever see the big club's roster. 

http://dleague.nba.com/player/bryson-fonville/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2016, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Augie:

Ryan is our national columnist. He has no affiliation with Neumann or the CSAC.

More than that, I'm more skeptical than most on Neumann's strength vis-a-vis the rest of the country.  I'm not sure they're even a Top 25 squad, but, from what I've seen so far, I suspect they still might be better than anyone in the Landmark.  A lot will be worked out over the next few weeks.  The Landmark schools have some good games on tap and I may well be wrong, but I've not seen anything on the floor that leads me to consider them contenders.


8-0 and have an average win margin of 24 points. Give me 25 better teams right now. They have a 6'9 player might be the only time all year Vitkus is at a height disadvantage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 29, 2016, 06:19:18 PM
That game between Scranton and Neumann is going to be an interesting game tomorrow night. I want to see what Scranton has against the Knights. Cabrini plays Neumann next Thursday and Scranton beat Cabrini earlier this year. Not that that means a lot, but...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 29, 2016, 06:19:18 PM
That game between Scranton and Neumann is going to be an interesting game tomorrow night. I want to see what Scranton has against the Knights. Cabrini plays Neumann next Thursday and Scranton beat Cabrini earlier this year. Not that that means a lot, but...

I'm gonna try and get there; it's only like 45 minutes from my house, but not sure yet if I'll make it.  Might be a lunchtime decision tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 30, 2016, 01:04:54 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2016, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Augie:

Ryan is our national columnist. He has no affiliation with Neumann or the CSAC.

More than that, I'm more skeptical than most on Neumann's strength vis-a-vis the rest of the country.  I'm not sure they're even a Top 25 squad, but, from what I've seen so far, I suspect they still might be better than anyone in the Landmark.  A lot will be worked out over the next few weeks.  The Landmark schools have some good games on tap and I may well be wrong, but I've not seen anything on the floor that leads me to consider them contenders.


8-0 and have an average win margin of 24 points. Give me 25 better teams right now. They have a 6'9 player might be the only time all year Vitkus is at a height disadvantage.

Here's the thing... average win margin means less to voters than you realize. Sure, it means something, but not as much as you think. If you aren't playing that tough a schedule, we would expect you to win big. That doesn't immediately equate to a Top 25 stature. Here is the other thing, there is so much parity and depth in Division III men's basketball that just because a team is winning and just because they are beating teams by an average of 24 doesn't immediately equate to anything. Because of parity, voters are diving far more into the numbers not only of the team in question, but their opponents.

And then I notice that four of the wins are against Saint Lawrence, Bard, King's, and Wilkes... not to mention a sub-par Cabrini squad (good, but not great like they used to be), and average Emory and Henry (though, I thought they would be better this season) and Montclair State. Plus, you can't ignore losses and they have lost to average Hobart and Arcadia.

I know people think I hate Scranton... that is farthest from the truth because I want to see this conference succeed and if that means Scranton, Catholic, and teams like Susquehanna are going to carry the torch, then I am rooting them on... however, the fact of the matter is Scranton has nothing on its resume that jumps out to voters. Ryan may get a chance to see them in person shortly and I will be interested in his take. I will see them in two weeks. We can then make our own individual opinions on them even better.

What will get Scranton ranked? Show they can beat Neumann, Gettysburg, Susquehanna, Goucher, Moravian, etc., etc., etc. by 24 points as well... that will be the true barometer.

By the way, who cares if Scranton is ranked right now? What does it get the team? It doesn't affect their NCAA standing at the end of the season, it shouldn't affect how they play (though, it puts a bigger target on their backs if they are ranked), and it doesn't determine how their schedule plays out the rest of the season. Enjoy the season. Let the chips fall where they fall and let's see what the Royals are up to in late February and maybe early March.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2016, 07:11:14 AM
Cmon Dave it's clear I am talking about Neumann here. The fact that your mind went to Scranton shows how much you hate them  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
d-mac:

Seems to me you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

On the one hand you state, "average win margin means less to voters than you realize".
"Just because a team is winning and just because they are beating teams by an average of 24 doesn't immediately equate to anything".

Ok...fair enough, but then you add this gem...

"What will get Scranton ranked? Show that they can beat Neumann, Gettysburg, Moravian, Susquehanna and Goucher etc. etc. etc. by 24 points as well.
That will be the true barometer".

That's kind of where you lost me...
On the one hand beating the teams Scranton has by 20 or so means nothing because they were against Bard & Sarah Lawrence etc. but if they somehow beat schools like Moravian & Goucher...the God's will smile upon them?

Didn't you just open up your post stating that average win margin "means less to the voters than you realize?

Then why do they then have to somehow beat the likes of Goucher by 20 plus to be noticed?

Look, none of us that have followed the Royals the past 15 years have any illusions of grandeur.
We're all well aware of what happens when the Royals set sail for the NCAA tournament.
One & done has a special meaning among the Scranton faithful once the brackets are announced and our coach proclaims he loves the matchup only to be trounced by, let's say...24.

The thing is personally I could care less who's rated & who's not or where a certain team is as opposed to another team.
I think all any fans want is a degree of consistency in what people are considering when making up these lists.

When you say margin of victory means squat, then don't turn around and say someone needs to win over someone by a certain margin.

As for todays matchup...

Scranton has one of its poorest shooting teams in 10 years.
When they can't buy a basket from the outside, their game gets ugly really fast.
They are slow
They are deliberate
They are not built to run
They are not assembled to play well from behind
Too many kids are getting big minutes without producing points, assists, steals or boards.
Scranton will generally win the games it should, lose a few to teams they shouldn't lose to & every now & then, they will surprise you & beat someone clearly better.
Doesn't happen very often & unfortunately, it probably won't happen today either.

Neumann 82/Scranton 65.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2016, 01:47:29 PM
d-mac:

Seems to me you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

On the one hand you state, "average win margin means less to voters than you realize".
"Just because a team is winning and just because they are beating teams by an average of 24 doesn't immediately equate to anything".

Ok...fair enough, but then you add this gem...

"What will get Scranton ranked? Show that they can beat Neumann, Gettysburg, Moravian, Susquehanna and Goucher etc. etc. etc. by 24 points as well.
That will be the true barometer".

That's kind of where you lost me...
On the one hand beating the teams Scranton has by 20 or so means nothing because they were against Bard & Sarah Lawrence etc. but if they somehow beat schools like Moravian & Goucher...the God's will smile upon them?

Didn't you just open up your post stating that average win margin "means less to the voters than you realize?

Then why do they then have to somehow beat the likes of Goucher by 20 plus to be noticed?

Look, none of us that have followed the Royals the past 15 years have any illusions of grandeur.
We're all well aware of what happens when the Royals set sail for the NCAA tournament.
One & done has a special meaning among the Scranton faithful once the brackets are announced and our coach proclaims he loves the matchup only to be trounced by, let's say...24.

The thing is personally I could care less who's rated & who's not or where a certain team is as opposed to another team.
I think all any fans want is a degree of consistency in what people are considering when making up these lists.

When you say margin of victory means squat, then don't turn around and say someone needs to win over someone by a certain margin.

As for todays matchup...

Scranton has one of its poorest shooting teams in 10 years.
When they can't buy a basket from the outside, their game gets ugly really fast.
They are slow
They are deliberate
They are not built to run
They are not assembled to play well from behind
Too many kids are getting big minutes without producing points, assists, steals or boards.
Scranton will generally win the games it should, lose a few to teams they shouldn't lose to & every now & then, they will surprise you & beat someone clearly better.
Doesn't happen very often & unfortunately, it probably won't happen today either.

Neumann 82/Scranton 65.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 03:10:13 PM
I'm here at Neumann for the Scranton game, sitting behind the scorers table. If anyone is here, come say hello. Looks to be a good one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
 Dean Corwin is doing audio on WUSR of Scranton-Neumann
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 03:10:13 PM
I'm here at Neumann for the Scranton game, sitting behind the scorers table. If anyone is here, come say hello. Looks to be a good one.


Ryan, you're welcome to visit with Dean Corwin(radio) at halftime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 04:29:19 PM
It's funny: the refs have NOT been good today, but I don't think I've disagreed with a single call the Scranton fans have been upset about.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 30, 2016, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 30, 2016, 01:47:29 PM
d-mac:

Seems to me you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

On the one hand you state, "average win margin means less to voters than you realize".
"Just because a team is winning and just because they are beating teams by an average of 24 doesn't immediately equate to anything".

Ok...fair enough, but then you add this gem...

"What will get Scranton ranked? Show that they can beat Neumann, Gettysburg, Moravian, Susquehanna and Goucher etc. etc. etc. by 24 points as well.
That will be the true barometer".

That's kind of where you lost me...
On the one hand beating the teams Scranton has by 20 or so means nothing because they were against Bard & Sarah Lawrence etc. but if they somehow beat schools like Moravian & Goucher...the God's will smile upon them?

Didn't you just open up your post stating that average win margin "means less to the voters than you realize?

Then why do they then have to somehow beat the likes of Goucher by 20 plus to be noticed?

Look, none of us that have followed the Royals the past 15 years have any illusions of grandeur.
We're all well aware of what happens when the Royals set sail for the NCAA tournament.
One & done has a special meaning among the Scranton faithful once the brackets are announced and our coach proclaims he loves the matchup only to be trounced by, let's say...24.

The thing is personally I could care less who's rated & who's not or where a certain team is as opposed to another team.
I think all any fans want is a degree of consistency in what people are considering when making up these lists.

When you say margin of victory means squat, then don't turn around and say someone needs to win over someone by a certain margin.

As for todays matchup...

Scranton has one of its poorest shooting teams in 10 years.
When they can't buy a basket from the outside, their game gets ugly really fast.
They are slow
They are deliberate
They are not built to run
They are not assembled to play well from behind
Too many kids are getting big minutes without producing points, assists, steals or boards.
Scranton will generally win the games it should, lose a few to teams they shouldn't lose to & every now & then, they will surprise you & beat someone clearly better.
Doesn't happen very often & unfortunately, it probably won't happen today either.

Neumann 82/Scranton 65.

COnsidering I wrote my comment after 12 basketball games in 2 days in the same arena... I may have had a great thought in my head that didn't translate as much as I wanted it to. I can say you took my thoughts a little too seriously, or at least went too deep with them.

What I was getting to was that beat who they beat by 24 points on average doesn't mean much right now... what I then tried to say is if they continue to beat teams by 24 including the following (and I listed the next X amount of games)... then those points spreads and margins start to mean something very different especially since some of those opponents coming up are going to be the true barometer.

So... right now, the spread means nothing... but if it continues, then I will be more impressed with it.

Of course, I didn't realize we were talking about Neumann... on the Landmark board. LOL

And again... 12 games, 2 days... 13+ hours a day in the arena... takes its toll after what is already a very busy month - even two months - (more than in the past).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 30, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Just having dinner in Barnabys in Ashton,PA after the beat down in Neumann.The only one that impressed me was Mancuso he fought hard today and Doolan came out of the 2nd half on fire.But besides them to same old same old Push Maryland and White.One thing there Coach didn't take a break  he hammered Scranton until 3 minutes to go.One other thing Danzig lost a tooth from an elbow and Dad was Yelling the only time I heard him stick up for his team.But kudos to Neumann nice team out of the starting 5( average age is about 26.)from my perspective why can't we get these type of players?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2016, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: augie on December 30, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Just having dinner in Barnabys in Ashton,PA after the beat down in Neumann.The only one that impressed me was Mancuso he fought hard today and Doolan came out of the 2nd half on fire.But besides them to same old same old Push Maryland and White.One thing there Coach didn't take a break  he hammered Scranton until 3 minutes to go.One other thing Danzig lost a tooth from an elbow and Dad was Yelling the only time I heard him stick up for his team.But kudos to Neumann nice team out of the starting 5( average age is about 26.)from my perspective why can't we get these type of players?

Keep your head up Augie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: augie on December 30, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Just having dinner in Barnabys in Ashton,PA after the beat down in Neumann.The only one that impressed me was Mancuso he fought hard today and Doolan came out of the 2nd half on fire.But besides them to same old same old Push Maryland and White.One thing there Coach didn't take a break  he hammered Scranton until 3 minutes to go.One other thing Danzig lost a tooth from an elbow and Dad was Yelling the only time I heard him stick up for his team.But kudos to Neumann nice team out of the starting 5( average age is about 26.)from my perspective why can't we get these type of players?

Their best top scorer and rebounder didn't play tonight, so there's that, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 31, 2016, 01:16:43 AM
Catholic played a highly entertaining game against a scrappy, rough and tumble Stockton team tonight. Stockton ran a very aggressive full court pressure/trap defense and gave CUA some fits getting the ball in and up the court (there were at least 2 10 second calls).  But in the end the Cardinals had better talent and pulled away rather easily, winning 81-70 (and it wasn't really that close).  Andre Mitchell really had an incredible 2 game span, scoring 49 points over the last 2 days.  He's really taken over the Fonville role as the 2 and floor general--the offense ran through him very effectively.  Stockton overplayed on defense and committed a ton of fouls--to the point where they probably got away with quite a bit because they couldn't blow the whistle on every possession.  That's how the NJAC rolls I guess. 

Compared to the last time I saw them, the Cardinals has made some defensive strides, particularly in the interior. 

Should be an interesting 3 or 4 team scrum in the Landmark this year as we transition to league play.  Sounds like Scranton's game against Neumann went about as well as Catholic's did, which if nothing else means they are probably going to be quite evenly matched again.  On the other hand, Scranton lost to Arcadia by 11, and Catholic beat Arcadia yesterday, controlling the game the entire 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2016, 09:57:30 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 31, 2016, 01:16:43 AM
Catholic played a highly entertaining game against a scrappy, rough and tumble Stockton team tonight. Stockton ran a very aggressive full court pressure/trap defense and gave CUA some fits getting the ball in and up the court (there were at least 2 10 second calls).  But in the end the Cardinals had better talent and pulled away rather easily, winning 81-70 (and it wasn't really that close).  Andre Mitchell really had an incredible 2 game span, scoring 49 points over the last 2 days.  He's really taken over the Fonville role as the 2 and floor general--the offense ran through him very effectively.  Stockton overplayed on defense and committed a ton of fouls--to the point where they probably got away with quite a bit because they couldn't blow the whistle on every possession.  That's how the NJAC rolls I guess. 

Compared to the last time I saw them, the Cardinals has made some defensive strides, particularly in the interior. 

Should be an interesting 3 or 4 team scrum in the Landmark this year as we transition to league play.  Sounds like Scranton's game against Neumann went about as well as Catholic's did, which if nothing else means they are probably going to be quite evenly matched again.  On the other hand, Scranton lost to Arcadia by 11, and Catholic beat Arcadia yesterday, controlling the game the entire 2nd half.

I see it as 5 - Sus,CUA,Scr,Jun,Mor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Holy cow...just watched the first half of the Cabrini/Neumann game & I thought I was watching a re-run of an Eastern League game circa 1973 between the Scranton Apollos & the Allentown Jets.

Guess I'm to used to the Scranton kids that all look like they're 18.

I swear Kendall McNeill, Willie Somerset & Swish McKinney are still out there battling Hawthorne Wingo, George Bruns & Art Heyman.

The kids look,.....mature.

Getting a little chippie with elbows being swung on nearly every rebound. If one connects with someone, it may get messy very quickly.
Refs have their hands full tonight & the Neumann coach isn't helping as he's been yelling the whole game.

Should be an interesting final 20 minutes.

Wonder if the Cabrini turnover with 3 seconds that was turned into a basket by Neumann will be a factor in the outcome?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2017, 03:08:49 PM

I've reached a point in life where I can't tell if someone is 15 or 25, so those age references go right over my head.  I do think both teams have guys who might be farther out of high school than many of their class peers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 09:12:47 PM
Wait a minute so it is okay for men to play against boys.You have a guy seven years older and playing d3 basketball why is that okayAsk yourself that Ryan!That is absurd to be 24,25 or 26 and playing d3 basketball something is wrong there.Hey great trying to get an education but NCAA should put an age limit on playing sports.It's called men versus boys already they have 7 years on these kids and the only teams I see do this is the CSAC.Why is that?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 10:39:28 PM
Neumanns roster Kenny Wilson graduated from HS 2011 and he is listed as a Sophomore he played 2012 2013 his Freshman season for Kutztown.James Butler graduated HS 2013 and is a Sr,Darian Barnes graduated HS 2011 and is a Sr,Tyraire Hudson graduated HS 2014 is a Jr and DeShawn Lowman is a graduate from HS 2012 and is a Sr.I just wonder why down in the Philadelphia area those d3 colleges or universitys are always getting players that are much older then the average d3 player?It is just a? WHY is that.It is men against boys just a big advantage when you have a 26 year old against a 18 year old
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2017, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: augie on January 06, 2017, 09:12:47 PM
Wait a minute so it is okay for men to play against boys.You have a guy seven years older and playing d3 basketball why is that okayAsk yourself that Ryan!That is absurd to be 24,25 or 26 and playing d3 basketball something is wrong there.Hey great trying to get an education but NCAA should put an age limit on playing sports.It's called men versus boys already they have 7 years on these kids and the only teams I see do this is the CSAC.Why is that?

When I was a sophomore or a junior, we had a 28 year old freshman.  The team was full of guys who came from pretty rough backgrounds and he was a real calming influence.  He had a ton of street cred and enough life experience to be mature.  He had kids to support and he got an education (graduated in four years).

I didn't go to a CSAC school, but a lot of d3 schools have a mission that's focused on education, regardless of background or circumstance.  Does it always work out?  Sadly, no, but in my experience, at least, it works out more than it doesn't.

I don't know a ton about Neumann, but they've got a deep religious core and I imagine working with students who may be on a second or third chance in life is precisely why the school exists.  I don't believe the team is "full of" guys who are significantly older, but even so, isn't it part of the d3 mission to welcome everyone - at least that's the commercial we hear all the time during Hoopsville breaks.

It's only "unfair" if someone is intentionally putting off their education for five years specifically to dominate d3 basketball - and if that's a choice you've made in life, you've got far bigger problems than just basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2017, 09:02:13 AM
You, also, have players taking advantage of the educational benefits who went into the military before going to college.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
I think there are probably many honorable reasons why some schools are willing to work with the "adult" student.

As Reserved Seat correctly points out...some are vets taking advantage of educational benefits they clearly earned while being in the military after high school.

Personally, I don't think any reasonable person would even notice if a vet came back & started his or her career at age 23.

I think what Augie is pointing out is that in Neumann's case, we're not talking about the vet or the "adult" student that appears once every 4 or 5 years, we're talking about virtually an entire starting lineup designed & built with that population that absolutely is an advantage over kids 18-21.

No one is saying it's illegal in the sense of NCAA infraction illegal...just that when you play a team with one "adult" superstar it's one thing, going against a roster full of them...quite another.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
I would be curious about the tuition difference b/w a Nemann , Cabrini and Scranton.

Also would like to see Scranton get a bit more diverse in their roster...


Edit: Answered my own question Neumann is half the cost of Scranton. Makes it easier for someone looking for a second chance or military veteran etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2017, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 07, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
I think there are probably many honorable reasons why some schools are willing to work with the "adult" student.

As Reserved Seat correctly points out...some are vets taking advantage of educational benefits they clearly earned while being in the military after high school.

Personally, I don't think any reasonable person would even notice if a vet came back & started his or her career at age 23.

I think what Augie is pointing out is that in Neumann's case, we're not talking about the vet or the "adult" student that appears once every 4 or 5 years, we're talking about virtually an entire starting lineup designed & built with that population that absolutely is an advantage over kids 18-21.

No one is saying it's illegal in the sense of NCAA infraction illegal...just that when you play a team with one "adult" superstar it's one thing, going against a roster full of them...quite another.

What I'm saying is that it's not as uncommon as you'd think.  Neumann just happens to be winning, which is pretty novel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2017, 01:39:53 PM
I'm shocked!  :o ;D There's more talk about the CSAC on the Landmark board than the CSAC board itself.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 07, 2017, 08:24:58 PM
Glad to see Catholic pull it out at the buzzer today. Haven't been to a ton of games in person this year, but after the beatdown I watched Swarthmore put on the Cards this past Tuesday night, I had real concerns going forward. Cards usually struggle at Juniata so I'm glad to see them get this win since Juniata is gonna be right around CUA for the playoff spots.

Catholic's record is better than I expected it to be at this point in the season, but I still maintain success for the season will simply be reaching the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2017, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 07, 2017, 01:39:53 PM
I'm shocked!  :o ;D There's more talk about the CSAC on the Landmark board than the CSAC board itself.  ;D

Join the party; we'll petition for a room name change.


Should be a good one tomorrow in Selinsgrove.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 09, 2017, 11:01:40 PM
Rutgers Camden 2-9 beat Neumann Cmon man of the week
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2017, 07:04:01 AM
Quote from: augie on January 09, 2017, 11:01:40 PM
Rutgers Camden 2-9 beat Neumann Cmon man of the week

Camden came very close to beating Ramapo this week, as well.  They might've knocked off two undefeated teams in seven days with a couple breaks going the other way.
Title: Sus v Scranton
Post by: Hooper42 on January 11, 2017, 12:51:07 AM
Should be a good one in The Grove tomorrow indeed. I think Sus protects home court and wins by 8. 2 of the conferences best big men in Vitkus and Traub going at it, both will need to defend while avoiding foul trouble.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 11, 2017, 09:06:40 PM
Nice win by the Royals at Susquehanna 76-68.Frankie is probably swimming in the susquehanna river.Moving up
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
Yes, Augie. Good game by Feinberg and Deverna. Good streaming video feed run by Susquehanna too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
 Susquehanna was hurt by 11 2nd half turnovers and Deverna's 3-4 3-pters. Didn't like the Royals missing the front end of 3 consecutive 1-and-1s in the final 80 secs, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 12:56:33 AM
Front page said it gets Scranton within one game of Susquehanna.I don't understand Scranton is 3-0 in conference play and Susquehanna is 2-1.I'm  lost by that statement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 02:36:31 AM
Ronk I think bench points played a key part into this game when your bench can produce 25-6 that is more effective then Susquehannas 11 TO or 17 total to Scrantons 10.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Augie,
  Be careful traveling Saturday - a wintry mix is forecast all day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2017, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: augie on January 12, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Thanks Ronk;I wander if they will have the game?

Not much precip is forecast; just that what there is will be around freezing(sleet, rain, ice) instead of snow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
Great win by the Royals indeed!

Ronk is correct...they missed the front end of 3 straight one & ones in the last 2 minutes...hard to do that on the road & still win.

Not sure if the Royals improved that much from their Neumann thumping or the Crusaders aka River Hawks may have been ranked a little too high?

Seems to me that either B. Feinberg or K. DeVerna have earned the right to start.
They make the most out of their minutes...points, rebounds & assists.

Now have to worry they (Royals) don't come out flat against an unpredictable Goucher team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Thanks Ronk: I'm just wondering if they will cancel the games and reschedule them?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
How do you get to a teams roster? All you can do is schedule,conference schedule and standing.I can't get on their home page like the old page did maybe someone could give me an idea how to get on rosters past schedules etc.yhanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
Quote from: augie on January 12, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
How do you get to a teams roster? All you can do is schedule,conference schedule and standing.I can't get on their home page like the old page did maybe someone could give me an idea how to get on rosters past schedules etc.yhanks

I don't think you can from D3hoops. But there is a link to the Team's website and then you can get to their Roster. Researching potential transfers?


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2017, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: augie on January 12, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
How do you get to a teams roster? All you can do is schedule,conference schedule and standing.I can't get on their home page like the old page did maybe someone could give me an idea how to get on rosters past schedules etc.yhanks

The team homepage link is still on the site as well. Definitely would not get rid of those! We use them all the time in-house.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 08:28:18 PM
Pat that is my question how do you get on their homepage?When I click on Swarthmore say it gives me their schedule, conference schedule and standing.So myquestion is when that page comes up how do I get on to the homepageI see team info down bottom but nothing happens when you click on that so maybe you can help me out and the new sight is great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: augie on January 12, 2017, 08:28:18 PM
Pat that is my question how do you get on their homepage?When I click on Swarthmore say it gives me their schedule, conference schedule and standing.So myquestion is when that page comes up how do I get on to the homepageI see team info down bottom but nothing happens when you click on that so maybe you can help me out and the new sight is great.

Under team info, 6th line down says official website men|women, click on men and you get the links for roster, schedule, coaching staff, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Yep I see that team info but I am on my Samsung 7 do I have to change my setting like on the old one it would be desktop or something lIke that I just can't get on even were team info Scranton is under it and news release I just can't get on anybody homepage.Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: augie on January 12, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Yep I see that team info but I am on my Samsung 7 do I have to change my setting like on the old one it would be desktop or something lIke that I just can't get on even were team info Scranton is under it and news release I just can't get on anybody homepage.Thanks for the help

Hey, you know -- when I log out of the site as an admin and visit it on mobile, I have a similar experience. That's definitely not what's intended and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. I'll send it to our hosting provider. Good catch!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 12, 2017, 09:49:32 PM
Thanks Pat appreciate it.I have just typing in the teams on Google and doing that way.The last site they had that at the bottom of the board desktop or mobile.Thanks for taking care of it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
Yes -- you can try rotating your phone sideways to maybe get a different view on the page, or use a tablet/iPad or laptop in the interim while we get this fixed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
Wow...
Scranton knocks off Susquehanna on the road but can't execute a game plan to win at Goucher.
Really??
Exactly why the Royals never go deep in the tournament...can never seem to give themselves an edge by making adjustments.
I guess Danzig won't be invited on Hoopsville again this year after what dmac witnessed first hand..  :'(
Then again, why would you?






Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 14, 2017, 06:32:50 PM
Congratulations to Goucher  executed the game plan well.To Carl you and your team laid a big fat egg tonight.Only Danzig could beat a ranked team then getc your ass handed to you by a 3-11 team good job coach!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
What was the issue(s) tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2017, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
What was the issue(s) tonight?

Goucher made a lot of close shots(67% in 1st half,50% in 2nd), many little-contested; 5 Scranton turnovers in 4 mins of 2nd half when they went from 3 up to 3 down. Have to give Goucher credit also, for playing well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 15, 2017, 01:47:40 PM
Hi Pat Coleman;I tried that turning my phone sideways nothing changed.I remember on the old board at the bottom you had your choice to select mobile or desktop and then you can get on the website to see teams homepage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Both teams played extremely well... but Goucher was at .667 in the first half and finished, I think, above .555 for the game. Goucher finally felt confident. You could see it on the player's faces late in the game. Big difference in the Gopher program over the years. They are still young and will lose some important pieces after the season... it will still be a few rough years ahead, but a good win over a tough Scranton squad.

Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
I guess Danzig won't be invited on Hoopsville again this year after what dmac witnessed first hand..  :'(
Then again, why would you?

Not usually a determining factor when I book guests...







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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2017, 12:58:34 AM
 Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave McHugh talked briefly about yesterday's 1st victory ever for Goucher over Scranton in Landmark competition and noted that in the postgame handshake between the teams, Coach Danzig made an extended congratulatory exchange with each member of the Goucher coaching staff and team. I had noticed the same thing but I want to commend Dave for mentioning it publicly as a positive statement of good sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2017, 10:43:24 PM
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Ronk's preseason projection

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town.
So, after 4 games, here are the current standings:

   W-L   WIN %   PF   PA      W-L   WIN %   PF   PA   L10   STREAK
Catholic   4-0   1.000   318   288      12-3   0.800   1123   1041   7-3   Won 3
Susquehan   3-1   0.750   295   273      13-2   0.867   1206   1051   9-1   Won 1
Scranton   3-1   0.750   295   265      11-4   0.733   1096   976   6-4   Lost 1
Moravian   2-2   0.500   315   302      9-6   0.600   1271   1224   5-5   Lost 1
Drew           2-2    0.500   301   303      8-7   0.533   1182   1091   6-4   Won 1
Juniata   1-3   0.250   273   292      9-6   0.600   1073   963   6-4   Lost 1
Goucher   1-3   0.250   269   284      4-11   0.267   950   1072   2-7   Won 1
E-town   0-4   0.000   238   297      3-11   0.214   904   1005   2-8   Lost 7

After 16 total conference games, there were 3 outcomes that differed from my preseason projection(Scr W @ Sus & L @ G, Jun L @ home 2 CUA); so my revised projection:

Catholic         10-4
Scranton        10-4
Susque            9-5
Moravian          9-5
Juniata             8-6
E-town             5-9
Goucher           3-11
Drew               2-12

This week's Game of the nite:

Wed - Moravian @ Scranton
Sat   - Catholic @ Scranton







Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2017, 06:09:08 AM
Ronk:

Just glancing at your "revised" projections and essentially you're saying Drew has already won their "two" games & they are on their way to losing all their remaining ones?

Just me... but I don't see Drew losing their next 10 games.

Baldwin can be a tough place to play at times.

Years ago the Royals had an 18 point halftime lead & walked out of there in a state of disbelief.

Not so sure E-town will reach 5 conference wins.

Hope your top picks pan out although Susquehanna getting 5 losses may be wishful thinking.

Should be an interesting final month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2017, 06:09:08 AM
Ronk:

Just glancing at your "revised" projections and essentially you're saying Drew has already won their "two" games & they are on their way to losing all their remaining ones?

Just me... but I don't see Drew losing their next 10 games.

Baldwin can be a tough place to play at times.

Years ago the Royals had an 18 point halftime lead & walked out of there in a state of disbelief.

Not so sure E-town will reach 5 conference wins.

Hope your top picks pan out although Susquehanna getting 5 losses may be wishful thinking.

Should be an interesting final month.

Yes, Drew could upset my projections; they are the team that I've seen the least, recently; mostly, going with the graduation of their fine G Mike ? for reducing expectations this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 16, 2017, 12:58:34 AM
Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave McHugh talked briefly about yesterday's 1st victory ever for Goucher over Scranton in Landmark competition and noted that in the postgame handshake between the teams, Coach Danzig made an extended congratulatory exchange with each member of the Goucher coaching staff and team. I had noticed the same thing but I want to commend Dave for mentioning it publicly as a positive statement of good sportsmanship.

I also saw a story on the Susquehanna coach's battle with Throat Cancer. He has fully recovered and I wish him all the best. He referenced a call that he got from Carl as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 16, 2017, 12:58:34 AM
Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave McHugh talked briefly about yesterday's 1st victory ever for Goucher over Scranton in Landmark competition and noted that in the postgame handshake between the teams, Coach Danzig made an extended congratulatory exchange with each member of the Goucher coaching staff and team. I had noticed the same thing but I want to commend Dave for mentioning it publicly as a positive statement of good sportsmanship.

I also saw a story on the Susquehanna coach's battle with Throat Cancer. He has fully recovered and I wish him all the best. He referenced a call that he got from Carl as well.

I will say this publicly as well (as I can't remember if I mentioned it on Hoopsville), but I emailed Carl to express my thoughts. I really don't do that kind of thing for a variety of reasons, but being I have been at Goucher for 22 seasons now and know how much this program has struggled this century, I wanted to make a point of telling Carl how much I thought of the moment. As many know, I am a huge proponent of sportsmanship. What Carl did was spectacular, if not that big a deal. I wanted to make sure he knew that someone noticed, especially considering I am not sure if the players could appreciate that moment... in that moment.

Classy move to be sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 17, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
Thanks Pat for fixing the problem.Appreciate it
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
Scranton loses another one. Danzig as emphatic on the sideline as the announcers have ever seen. Gets Tee'd up and ejected with about 2 or 3 minutes left.

Good win for Moravian. This board should be good the next few days....collecting my thoughts at the moment..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 18, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
Nepafan:I was down with the women in Bethlehem.They won by 21.So I don't know what happened but just by the recap I can say one thing 12-16 3 pointers thats on fire but if you don't play defense me Saratoga and you can be that hot.I noticed something about Danzigs team they do not defend the 3 ball.No leadership on this team.I noticed one other thing at Gouche.Scranton can not play (Athletic teams).Carl's offense is set up to play slow down basketball pass pass pass shoot,they don't drive the lanes to create and that is on him.Guards never drive the lanes.Never Bucknell you need a coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2017, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: augie on January 18, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
Nepafan:I was down with the women in Bethlehem.They won by 21.So I don't know what happened but just by the recap I can say one thing 12-16 3 pointers thats on fire but if you don't play defense me Saratoga and you can be that hot.I noticed something about Danzigs team they do not defend the 3 ball.No leadership on this team.I noticed one other thing at Gouche.Scranton can not play (Athletic teams).Carl's offense is set up to play slow down basketball pass pass pass shoot,they don't drive the lanes to create and that is on him.Guards never drive the lanes.Never Bucknell you need a coach.

Coach was on the team almost immediately for their intensity I assume. You are right about the athleticism Moravian pressed the whole entire game. There wasn't bad call or play that preceded the T I think he was obviously frustrated or trying to send.a message.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on January 18, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
Important W for SU on the road in Huntindgon tonight. First of 4 on the road for the Hawks including at CUA and at Moravian next week...Juniata at 1-4 is a bit of a surprise, having some very tough road games remaining doesn't leave much room for error, although their D should travel well CUA undefeated in conference with two of the toughest conference games of the season on deck... This may be premature to say, as im rooting for Juniata to make things interesting, but it looks to be shaping up to be a very competitive 4 team race.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 18, 2017, 11:43:57 PM
Nepafan missed you at Goucher maybe catch you at Catholic.I'm revising my prediction for the Royals I said 18-7to you a couple months ago losing at home to a divison opponent in Moravian I thought we would win at home and at Goucher so I say they will end up all around 16-9 they will lose Catholic twice,at Juniata and at Drew hope I'm wrong but this team is not good to lazy on defense and to slow as a team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 19, 2017, 01:27:20 AM
I didn't make it to Goucher last night, but looks like it was the prototypical 2016-17 CUA performance. Let the opponent shoot a decent percentage (52% for the Gophers), force a bunch of TOs (24), and dramatically outscore the opponent from the FT line (17-27 for CUA, 5-8 for the Gophers).

CUA has now attempted 54 more FTs than the next closest team in Landmark play and made 29 more FTs than the next closest team. This has been hugely important because 3-point shooting has been spotty all season.

The major test now awaits with a road game against Scranton on Saturday followed by a home game with Susquehanna. I'd happily take a split from those games. This is where we'll find out if the Cards are for real or not, but they're in a much better position now than I thought they would be before the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2017, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 19, 2017, 01:27:20 AM
I didn't make it to Goucher last night, but looks like it was the prototypical 2016-17 CUA performance. Let the opponent shoot a decent percentage (52% for the Gophers), force a bunch of TOs (24), and dramatically outscore the opponent from the FT line (17-27 for CUA, 5-8 for the Gophers).

CUA has now attempted 54 more FTs than the next closest team in Landmark play and made 29 more FTs than the next closest team. This has been hugely important because 3-point shooting has been spotty all season.

The major test now awaits with a road game against Scranton on Saturday followed by a home game with Susquehanna. I'd happily take a split from those games. This is where we'll find out if the Cards are for real or not, but they're in a much better position now than I thought they would be before the season.

Biggest different in the FTs was defensive mentality last night. Goucher is aggressive in a man-to-man for the most part... while Catholic tried to attack it. Catholic played a little bit more zone which Goucher didn't attack... and when CUA was in man, Goucher has gone to a different offense which brings their big man (Outing) out of the paint to open up the baseline and box to slashing guards... which means less attacking and forcing the defense into fouls.

CUA just worked their way through the game. Had flashes of moments where they showed some really nice things, but otherwise didn't have to blow anyone away in style. Honestly, there wasn't much in the second half that kept my attention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2017, 09:21:48 AM
Around the Nation focuses on D3 alums playing professionally, including Bryson Fonville of Catholic:

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016-17/going-pro-from-division-3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
so my question to the Royal Faithful is this:

Is it better to miss the playoffs this year with the understanding that the rest of the conference is getting better ( See Moravian) while Scranton continues to tread water, or make the playoffs have a puncher's chance and maybe be competitive in an NCAA playoff game?

I think my biggest frustration has been that we continue to see the same results year after year. I have faith in the new Athletic leadership in place in the Hill Section.

Hell if an NFL team can rebuild, why not a D3 basketball program
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on January 20, 2017, 11:55:54 AM
Heading to the Electric City tomorrow for the game against Catholic. Despite the academic intersession break, I hope there's decent fan support for the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
NEPA:

For what it's worth.....

Personally, I'm kind of sick & tired of the Royals making the tournament & getting clocked in the first round.

They have the same team year in & year out...soft, slow & predictable.
What you see this year is the same as you saw last year which is the same as you saw 10 years ago.

The world is changing, but not the walk it up, play no D Royals.

I think these cameo appearances in the show only reinforce to the Royal brain-trust that they must be doing something right when in fact, they simply aren't built for any sort of national run & that very same brain-trust has never brought in one kid in all this time that could be considered "an athlete".

No Irv Johnson, no Bryant Thornwell, no Phil Johnson, no Todd Bailey, no Jack Maher, no Mickey Banas, no Brian O'Donnell...not one kid that could put an entire team on his back & make everyone else around them better.

Sadly, if the mens team was playing at home tomorrow & the UofS was giving away free trips to Aruba to those in attendance & the women's team was playing at Catholic, I'd be in DC already.

There is simply no excuse for beating Susquehanna on the road & then losing consecutive games to two teams that combined don't usually win 10 games.

If Scranton doesn't acknowledge they have some serious problems, they are doomed to prove, nice guys finish last.

Danzig's freakout the other day had less to do with bad officiating & more to do with utter frustration internally.

Tomorrow is a huge gut check for this program...are the kids ready to play or ready to pack it in?

Here's hoping for a Scranton comeback & no more T's on the coach.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 21, 2017, 06:23:37 PM
Welp...Cards not ready for prime time. I wasn't confident in a CUA win anyways, but Jay Howard not playing obviously makes a huge difference, both on the floor and psychologically.

Hopefully the coaching staff will use the next few days in practice to really work on defense, because whether Howard plays or not today's effort was dreadful. Not a recipe for success to let the opponent make nearly 60% of their shots. I've felt for a while that this team is outperforming its defensive numbers so far this season and that sure seemed true today.

The young CUA big men were really outclassed by Vitkus.


No idea what the situation with Howard is, but the effect of anything long-term can't be overstated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2017, 10:55:44 PM
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Ronk's preseason projection

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town.

So, after this week's  games, here are the current standings:
Susquehanna   5-1   0.833   450   407      15-2   0.882   1361   1185   9-1   Won 3
Catholic   5-1   0.833   470   441      13-4   0.765   1275   1194   8-2   Lost 1
Scranton   4-2   0.667   451   414      12-5   0.706   1252   1125   6-4   Won 1
Moravian   4-2   0.667   492   463      11-6   0.647   1448   1385   5-5   Won 2
Drew   3-3   0.500   445   448      9-8   0.529   1326   1236   6-4   Lost 1
Juniata   1-5   0.167   429   465      9-8   0.529   1229   1136   4-6   Lost 3
Elizabethtown   1-5   0.167   372   428      4-12   0.250   1038   1136   2-8   Won 1
Goucher   1-5   0.167   392   435      4-13   0.235   1073   1223   2-8   Lost 2




In this week's games, there were 3 outcomes that differed from my preseason projection(Mor W @ Scr, Sus W @ Jun and Drew W @ E-town; so my revised projection:

Catholic         10-4
Susque          10-4
Moravian        10-4
Scranton          9-5
Juniata             7-7
E-town             4-10
Goucher           3-11
Drew               3-11

This week's Game of the nite:

Wed - Susque @ Catholic

Sat - Susque @ Moravian
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on January 25, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
SU overcomes 17 pt first half deficit thanks to 46 points 16 boards and 5 assists from Callahan, Weiss, and Knecbt off the bench. Traub was on the bench with fouls for large part of SU run, but returned to help seal win down stretch.

Khouri played  well for CUA and Howard was effective coming off an injury only 2 rebs, and 1 assist away from a triple double. The media timeouts Howes opts to strategically use at the Dufour Center were ineffective in the second half and annoying as usual, IMO media timeouts don't belong in non-televised D3 hoops.

Congratulations to Coach Marcinek on 400th career W. Fairly certain all are at Susqu.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on January 25, 2017, 10:00:57 PM

Khouri played  well for CUA and Howard was effective coming off an injury only 2 rebs, and 1 assist away from a triple double. The media timeouts Howes opts to strategically use at the Dufour Center were ineffective in the second half and annoying as usual, IMO media timeouts don't belong in non-televised D3 hoops.


They are now used at Goucher as well. They can be used however teams or conferences want. They are mandated in the NCAA tournament. And television isn't the only reason media timeouts exist in the first place - radio is a reason as well. Not that CUA or Goucher have radio or TV... but if they want to use them, they can. I believe Stevenson is another team in this immediate area that uses them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 25, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Shoot 48.3%....at home
Make 12 3-pointers....at home
Lead by as many as 17....at home

Give up 57 points in one half....at home
Give up 44 points in the paint....at home
Give up 16 offensive rebounds....at home

Tonight's game was a shocking capitulation. Nothing that happened in the 2nd half of this game at the defensive end should be acceptable. There is seemingly no interest in or understanding of what defense is. The players don't seem to know what to do. The same mistakes are made over and over again by the same players. I don't blame them. It really appears that no one has taught them how to defend, either individually or as a team. The lack of any semblance of post defense is especially glaring. Traub, Weiss, and Knecht did whatever they wanted, like Vitkus on Saturday. The most disappointing part of tonight was that the best years of this program were built on strong defense and that now seems to have been lost.

I don't care about individual game results the rest of the way. I'm only going to look at defensive numbers from now on. Finding an acceptable level of defense should now be more important than the won-lost record at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2017, 09:57:23 AM
Congrats to Coach Danzig on number 300.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 25, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Shoot 48.3%....at home
Make 12 3-pointers....at home
Lead by as many as 17....at home

Give up 57 points in one half....at home
Give up 44 points in the paint....at home
Give up 16 offensive rebounds....at home

Tonight's game was a shocking capitulation. Nothing that happened in the 2nd half of this game at the defensive end should be acceptable. There is seemingly no interest in or understanding of what defense is. The players don't seem to know what to do. The same mistakes are made over and over again by the same players. I don't blame them. It really appears that no one has taught them how to defend, either individually or as a team. The lack of any semblance of post defense is especially glaring. Traub, Weiss, and Knecht did whatever they wanted, like Vitkus on Saturday. The most disappointing part of tonight was that the best years of this program were built on strong defense and that now seems to have been lost.

I don't care about individual game results the rest of the way. I'm only going to look at defensive numbers from now on. Finding an acceptable level of defense should now be more important than the won-lost record at the end of this season.

What is amazing is how CUA used to have an incredible reputation for their defense. In the last five years, it has evaporated. I have no idea why as I haven't been paying that close attention... but I remember last year, or the season prior, noticing the change and seeing the significant change in the numbers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Charles on January 26, 2017, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 25, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Shoot 48.3%....at home
Make 12 3-pointers....at home
Lead by as many as 17....at home

Give up 57 points in one half....at home
Give up 44 points in the paint....at home
Give up 16 offensive rebounds....at home

Tonight's game was a shocking capitulation. Nothing that happened in the 2nd half of this game at the defensive end should be acceptable. There is seemingly no interest in or understanding of what defense is. The players don't seem to know what to do. The same mistakes are made over and over again by the same players. I don't blame them. It really appears that no one has taught them how to defend, either individually or as a team. The lack of any semblance of post defense is especially glaring. Traub, Weiss, and Knecht did whatever they wanted, like Vitkus on Saturday. The most disappointing part of tonight was that the best years of this program were built on strong defense and that now seems to have been lost.

I don't care about individual game results the rest of the way. I'm only going to look at defensive numbers from now on. Finding an acceptable level of defense should now be more important than the won-lost record at the end of this season.
Howes has lost the locker room.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
That's too bad. Someone should post signs. Has it moved?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
That's too bad. Someone should post signs. Has it moved?

Maybe the Dufour remodeling has started, already.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 26, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
That's too bad. Someone should post signs. Has it moved?

Maybe the Dufour remodeling has started, already.  ::)

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 26, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
That's too bad. Someone should post signs. Has it moved?

Maybe the Dufour remodeling has started, already.  ::)

It actually has... well done. Well done, indeed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
All of the sudden the month of January is coming to a close! It wasn't that long ago we were watching how teams would perform during holiday tournaments and after long breaks. Now, we are wondering how most teams will weather the second half of conference play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to take the temperature of Division III basketball. Just how good are the teams nationally ranked and near the top of some conference? Are there teams lurking who are about to emerge and disrupt things?

Of course the focus on this show will primarily be the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions, but there is still plenty to talk about nationwide including the common theme: upsets and parity.

Guests will include a coach who won his 400th on Wednesday, three nationally ranked teams, and seven total losses.

Dave also discusses the recently launch Hoopsville Fundraising efforts and the upcoming annual marathon show. For more information on the fundraiser, click here: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017

Tune in starting at 7:00 PM LIVE via this link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan26 (or the Facebook Live simulcast). If you can't make it live, watch the show On Demand to listen (download) the podcast to the right (available after the show concludes).

Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.

Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Frank Marcinek, No. 11 Susquehanna men's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, No. 7 Rochester men's coach
- Don Mulhern, UW-Superior women's coach
- Michele Durand, No. 8 Ohio Northern women's coach

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
anyone know what Mike Lonergan is up to nowadays?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
anyone know what Mike Lonergan is up to nowadays?

Best I can tell... enjoying home live and commenting on games he's watching on Facebook.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2017, 10:48:48 PM
I haven't spoken with Mike since the end of August, right before the excrement finally hit the fan, but I would say it's fair to think that he's meeting with lawyers on a regular basis as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Hmm ... hearing some griping about front-page coverage -- just based on the milestone number of wins, it takes about 500 wins to get a separate story on the front page, sometimes even 600. But this was how we referenced the Landmark milestones on our front page, for the record:

"Rivalry games between Calvin/Hope, Williams/Amherst and Stevens Point/Whitewater are a special treat, and it's especially rare when they all happen on the same night. Plus Christopher Newport and Salisbury play another thriller and two coaches hit milestones."

Any questions about editorial decisions can come to Gordon (or me for the historical basis for things) -- no need to gripe about it without getting the facts. There isn't room on the front page for every 400-game or 300-game winner. Same with 1,000 points, even 1,500 points. Even with seven front-page spots, that's a tough spot to crack.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Hmm ... hearing some griping about front-page coverage -- just based on the milestone number of wins, it takes about 500 wins to get a separate story on the front page, sometimes even 600. But this was how we referenced the Landmark milestones on our front page, for the record:

"Rivalry games between Calvin/Hope, Williams/Amherst and Stevens Point/Whitewater are a special treat, and it's especially rare when they all happen on the same night. Plus Christopher Newport and Salisbury play another thriller and two coaches hit milestones."

Any questions about editorial decisions can come to Gordon (or me for the historical basis for things) -- no need to gripe about it without getting the facts. There isn't room on the front page for every 400-game or 300-game winner. Same with 1,000 points, even 1,500 points. Even with seven front-page spots, that's a tough spot to crack.

Where's the griping coming from? I don't see it on the Landmark chat site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 27, 2017, 02:02:24 PM
I agree with Ronk where is someone griping?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:16:26 PM
Maybe they should listen to Hoopsville? Did a 30-minute interview with the 400-win coach and mentioned the 300-win coach. SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
Someone make a post then delete it?  ???

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
Someone make a post then delete it?  ???

I didn't delete a post but yeah, sometimes stuff bounces around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
so you heard complaining about the front page, but it didn't come from this room? What can we do about it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2017, 11:11:39 PM
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Ronk's preseason projection

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town.

So, after this week's  games, here are the current standings:
Susquehanna   6-2   0.750   616   570      16-3   0.842   1527   1348   8-2   Lost 1
Scranton   6-2   0.750   596   501      14-5   0.737   1397   1212   7-3   Won 3
Moravian   6-2   0.750   656   609      13-6   0.684   1612   1531   6-4   Won 4
Catholic   5-3   0.625   624   611      13-6   0.684   1429   1364   6-4   Lost 3
Drew   4-4   0.500   548   572      10-9   0.526   1429   1360   5-5   Won 1
Juniata   3-5   0.375   582   601      11-8   0.579   1382   1272   5-5   Won 2
Elizabethtown   1-7   0.125   485   581      4-14   0.222   1151   1289   1-9   Lost 2
Goucher   1-7   0.125   521   583      4-15   0.211   1202   1371   2-8   Lost 4



In this week's games, there were 3 outcomes that differed from my preseason projection(Catholic losing @ home to Sus and Jun, D winning @ G; so my revised projection:

Susque          11-3
Moravian        10-4
Scranton          9-5
Catholic           8-6
Juniata            8-6
E-town             4-10
Drew               4-10
Goucher           2-12

This week's Game of the nite:

Wed - Scranton @ Moravian

Sat - Catholic @ Drew

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 29, 2017, 01:20:32 AM
Juniata 1st half offense
12-27 FG (44.4%)
6-10 3pt FG
2-4 FT
0 offensive rebounds

Juniata 2nd half offense
13-23 FG (56.5%)
4-6 3pt FG
19-23 FT
6 offensive rebounds

Last 3 games: give up 53 points in the 1st half to Scranton, give up 57 2nd half points to Susquehanna, give up 49 2nd half points to Juniata. By percentage, Saturday's loss to Juniata was worse defensively than Wednesday night to Susquehanna.

As a side note, through January 27th, Catholic had the 3rd worst 3pt FG defense in the country. With Juniata going 10-16 from deep on Saturday, it may now be the worst nationally.

CUA has a roster of 21 players. 10 of them have made fewer than 10 appearances all season. I wonder what it would take to see if any of them can defend?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 29, 2017, 01:20:32 AM
Juniata 1st half offense
12-27 FG (44.4%)
6-10 3pt FG
2-4 FT
0 offensive rebounds

Juniata 2nd half offense
13-23 FG (56.5%)
4-6 3pt FG
19-23 FT
6 offensive rebounds

Last 3 games: give up 53 points in the 1st half to Scranton, give up 57 2nd half points to Susquehanna, give up 49 2nd half points to Juniata. By percentage, Saturday's loss to Juniata was worse defensively than Wednesday night to Susquehanna.

As a side note, through January 27th, Catholic had the 3rd worst 3pt FG defense in the country. With Juniata going 10-16 from deep on Saturday, it may now be the worst nationally.

CUA has a roster of 21 players. 10 of them have made fewer than 10 appearances all season. I wonder what it would take to see if any of them can defend?

While it would be good for the benefit of us fans, one would think that after 3 months of practice, the coach would know which players can defend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2017, 12:51:57 PM
Shout out to Deverna with a nice behind the back pass to Mancuso to beat the shot clock. Shankwheiler with a few nice plays at the rim.

Need.to get a win in Bethlehem on Tuesday
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2017, 07:37:19 AM
NEPA:

Agree....that pass was pretty impressive.

Can't remember the last time it was stated that a Scranton game in Bethlehem was huge...and it wasn't a women's game we were speaking of.

The new coach at Moravian has certainly lit a fire under the older players left from Coach Walker and has brought in some high energy/nice talent kids himself.

The Royals are finally getting some balanced scoring inside & out & they've picked up their defensive intensity as well.

Should be a good game.

Congrats to Coach Danzig on 300 the other night.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 30, 2017, 04:45:49 PM
I'll add that I've been really impressed with the improvement of Moravian since coach Potts took over. As has been said, he's really been able to improve the players left to him and bring in talented players. Sophomore Jimmy Murray really torched CUA earlier in the season.

I'm just glad to see another team in this conference take a step forward. There's still a long way to go but it would seem like Moravian is a lock for coaching staff of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2017, 07:58:08 PM
Was Moravian in the MAC?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
Yes.
MAC Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2017, 08:33:11 PM
 At 1 time, nearly everyone in the region was in the MAC - 4 divisions of at least 6 in each division(the current Freedom, Commonwealth and Centennial conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2017, 10:23:41 AM
Even Drexel was in the MAC for at least cross country.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2017, 10:50:50 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/31/bethenny-frankels-ex-arrested-after-shocking-school-run-in.html

Let's Go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
Thanks NEPA.

Always nice to be brought up to date on what some alumni are up to.

As for the " I will destroy you" comment...I think Jason was just repeating what he heard Coach Bessoir yell to the opposing coach's all those years.

Fun times in the Big Apple, perhaps even tweet worthy from a certain someone.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2017, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 01, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
Thanks NEPA.

Always nice to be brought up to date on what some alumni are up to.

As for the " I will destroy you" comment...I think Jason was just repeating what he heard Coach Bessoir yell to the opposing coach's all those years.

Fun times in the Big Apple, perhaps even tweet worthy from a certain someone.  ;)

Hey if he can pray for Arnold and the Apprentice maybe we can get a prayer for all current and former royals. I was a bit shocked when I saw Jason Hoppy trending on Yahoo, so I had to share.

Good win last night..anyone know what is wrong with Fienberg?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 04, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
I've been knocking the defense for a few weeks now, but I'll focus on the fight back for CUA today. The Cards were down 14 at halftime and couldn't have done much worse, but they played a really good 2nd half and got the win. Another great game for Louis Khouri (27 pts.), who has had an excellent senior season. He made some tough buckets when CUA was coming back in the game and hustled for a few offensive rebounds to keep possessions alive.

Nice to see Jay Howard back to his best. He hasn't looked 100% recently but he did today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Ronk's preseason projection

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town.

So, after this week's  games, here are the current standings:
Susque   8-2   0.800   783   690      18-3   0.857   1694   1468   8-2   Won 2
Scranton   8-2   0.800   729   623      16-5   0.762   1530   1334   8-2   Won 5
Catholic   7-3   0.700   775   745      15-6   0.714   1580   1498   6-4   Won 2
Moravian   7-3   0.700   796   741      14-7   0.667   1752   1663   6-4   Won 1
Drew         5-5   0.500   710   721      11-10   0.524   1591   1509   6-4   Lost 1
Juniata   3-7   0.300   700   748      11-10   0.524   1500   1419   4-6   Lost 2
Elizabethtown   1-9   0.100   612   742      4-16   0.200   1278   1450   1-9   Lost 4
Goucher   1-9   0.100   638   733      4-17   0.190   1319   1521   1-9   Lost 6




In this week's games, there were 3 outcomes that differed from my preseason projection(Scranton winning @ Mor and Jun, D defeating E-town; so my revised projection:

Susque           11-3
Scranton         11-3
Moravian          9-5
Catholic           8-6
Juniata            7-7
Drew               5-9
E-town             3-11
Goucher           2-12

This week's Game of the nite:

Wed - Catholic @ Susque
Sat -   Scranton @ Catholic


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
From the Whatever it's Worth category...

I absolutely hate this Landmark schedule.

They had it right when the league was formed...men & women both at home & you play Friday & Saturday league games.

This current configuration of having to decide which game to see & sometimes no home games for some teams in over a week is so not fan friendly.

As an example, the Lady Royals last played at home this past Wednesday.
They were on the road yesterday, they'll be on the road Wed's., they'll be on the road Sat., & they'll be on the road the following Wed's.
I'm sure the other schools have had similar gaps between home dates as well.

I know from speaking to a number of players through the early years, they enjoyed the schedule and felt it really gave them a bit of an advantage come playoff time because they were so used to the back to back games and how to both mentally & physically prepare for what awaited them in the tournament.

Look at the Final Four teams over the last decade & it's full of teams from the NESCAC & UAA which travel far further miles between games than the Landmark would.

For example, this weekend Amherst was on the road Friday in Maine to play Bates & then had to play Tufts at home in Mass. Saturday afternoon.
By the way...they obviously won both games.

Think for a minute that even if they didn't have a really good team that being so used to the back to back concept is not yet another advantage these schools have?

Time for the Landmark administrative hierarchy to get their heads out of the sand, benchmark with these conferences and make the schedule workable for both the student athletes and their fans.

The current setup serves no one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
I agree with you about the NESCAC and UAA teams tending to advance deep and I also agree that a back-to-back schedule helps prepare teams for the postseason.

I wonder if, now that Merchant Marine is out of the equation, whether they might revisit the scheduling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on February 05, 2017, 05:40:39 PM
Toga while I do agree the Landmark Conference scheduling needs some work, with multiple teams playing 4 consecutive road games, I don't think playing back to back on the weekend is the answer. Players and Coaches I have spoke with did not like preparing for 2 teams simeltaneously during the week, and they also felt players were more injury prone in the second game of the back to back.

While it may provide a slight advtange in preparing for the NCAA tourney, I think the reason UAA and NESCAC teams are successful in tournament is due to good players as opposed to conference scheduling format.

I do believe the Landmark conference will be very strong in the coming years with the new coaches at Moravian and Goucher and Schlossers tenure at E-town winding down.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2017, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on February 05, 2017, 05:40:39 PM
Toga while I do agree the Landmark Conference scheduling needs some work, with multiple teams playing 4 consecutive road games, I don't think playing back to back on the weekend is the answer. Players and Coaches I have spoke with did not like preparing for 2 teams simeltaneously during the week, and they also felt players were more injury prone in the second game of the back to back.

While it may provide a slight advtange in preparing for the NCAA tourney, I think the reason UAA and NESCAC teams are successful in tournament is due to good players as opposed to conference scheduling format.

I do believe the Landmark conference will be very strong in the coming years with the new coaches at Moravian and Goucher and Schlossers tenure at E-town winding down.

So this explains why the conference doesn't do well in the NCAA tournament?

It is a strawman argument to me... there are a NUMBER of conferences who play two games on a weekend and I have not seen injuries increase and play decrease. There is more than the UAA and the NESCAC. The SUNYAC, ASC, SCAC, SAA, USA South, Liberty, Empire 8, NEAC, SLIAC, MIAC (to some degree), NWC, and probably others I missed all have some kind of busy weekend.

I have always thought the Landmark did better with the conference weekend schedule. It was also nice to see the teams at home more than how it works out now (same number of games, but not same number of opportunities for the fans). It also killed the idea of seeing rivals playing any other time than a weekday (rivals being close proximity - I realize Scranton, Catholic works out on weekends). Of course the weekdays are when the crowds are most likely going to be smaller.

Can injuries occur on these trips? Sure. But they can also occur when you practice the next day from a game. They just happen.

The other argument I used to hear was that players were tired on Sunday and didn't have the energy to study... this one is also kind of a "roll your eyes" type argument for me. The UAA, NESCAC, and several of those other conferences have as good if not far higher academic standards than the Landmark and those institutions have some of the brightest student-athletes in the division. They don't seem to struggle with the academics. They adjust accordingly and many go on to All-Academic Team and other academic honors.

I very much dislike the Wednesday schedule. While others have disagreed, I have also felt it adds to the transportation costs for a school (not everyone chooses to take two buses to a double-header).

With Merchant Marine gone, I too hope that the conference reconsiders the schedule. However, I am also more than aware that sometimes the minority tends to be the loudest voice in the room and thus the right decision isn't always the one allowed to be made.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Pat/Dave,

I certainly hope you're right & now that MMA is gone, the discussion could at least begin again.

I'm also pretty sure that I heard several years back that Moravian was also whining about the original setup but their issue was supposedly the cost of hotels on a near weekly basis for the men & women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Pat/Dave,

I certainly hope you're right & now that MMA is gone, the discussion could at least begin again.

I'm also pretty sure that I heard several years back that Moravian was also whining about the original setup but their issue was supposedly the cost of hotels on a near weekly basis for the men & women.

Not sure who, but I had heard the hotel argument as well. And I get that one, but it wasn't like that was suddenly a surprise to everyone. Maybe smarter decisions have to be made, but the Wednesday schedule is not the best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
Interesting note to share from tonight... Goucher shot .708 in the first half against Moravian... but couldn't hold on down the stretch and lost to the Greyhounds. It was a crazy game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2017, 06:14:02 PM
CardsFan:

With that said, they'll now probably put together their best all around performance this season against the Royals on Sat.

If Scranton can't make free throws down the stretch, they won't get very far.

They've already nearly grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory this way on the road at Susquehanna & Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)


How many D-3 teams are there?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)


How many D-3 teams are there?

In the low 400s.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)


How many D-3 teams are there?

In the low 400s.

Ranking stops at 416
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)


How many D-3 teams are there?

In the low 400s.

Ranking stops at 416

421 or officially... 416 eligible to be in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2017, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
After last night CUA now ranks 352nd nationally in FG% defense (46.6%) and 415th nationally in 3pt FG% defense (40.5%)


How many D-3 teams are there?

In the low 400s.

Ranking stops at 416

421 or officially... 416 eligible to be in the NCAA tournament.

It's 421 for those teams in 3rd or 4th year of joining, right?  If you include the 1st and 2nd year, I think there's even a few more, but 421 that are eligible for your regional record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2017, 08:01:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual

Fine, just be the one not too lazy to go look it up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2017, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2017, 08:01:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual

Fine, just be the one not too lazy to go look it up.

It's a ploy used on other d3hoops chat boards - just toss it out there and rely on the nature of the 'historians' for them to look it up, saving one the effort.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 11, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual

How would a school benefit by not reporting stats to the NCAA? Or maybe a simpler question, why do those two schools not report?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 11, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual

How would a school benefit by not reporting stats to the NCAA? Or maybe a simpler question, why do those two schools not report?

May not have the resources, like an SID, in place to do it - or know to do it. Rust comes to mind (not knowing whether they report or not).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2017, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 11, 2017, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2017, 08:01:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
There are 426 Division III schools sponsoring men's basketball this season according to the NCAA. That includes 7 provisional members and 1 reclassifying (McMurry). Back them out and you get 418 eligible for the tournament. My guess is two don't report stats to the NCAA (which is a pretty great collection rate for the NCAA if it's only two).

So says page 17 of the NCAA pre-championship manual. :)

http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/2017-ncaa-mbb-tournament-manual

Fine, just be the one not too lazy to go look it up.

It's a ploy used on other d3hoops chat boards - just toss it out there and rely on the nature of the 'historians' for them to look it up, saving one the effort.  ;D

I was researching A LOT of other d3 minutiae this week - NEAC tiebreakers anyone?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Back to the hard court...

What an entertaining game between Catholic and Scranton on senior night.  These teams were very evenly matched, and mirrored each other in the stat sheet.  The last 30 seconds featured a 86% free throw shooter missing the front end of a 1 and 1 for Catholic that could have put them up 3, followed by a 78% free throw shooter missing both shots for Scranton that could have tied it or sent it to OT.

Interestingly, for all the talk about defense, I thought Catholic played a very solid defensive game today.  They used Turner and Hayes on Vitkus and both were effective.  Hayes in particular had a really gritty game--started out his rotation rough but adjusted and made some huge plays. 

Neither team took a lot of 3's--I'm used to a lot more jump and long range shooting from Scranton.  Both struggled on offense, Howard was very effective getting to the line for Catholic, and Khouri was his usual reliable self.

So, at this point the only drama left is between Catholic and Moravian for the #3 seed. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Preseason Poll
Team Points
1. Susquehanna 60 (4)
2. Catholic 52 (1)
2. Scranton 52 (1)
4. Juniata 41 (2)
5. Moravian 24
6. Drew 17
7. Goucher 15
8. Elizabethtown 11

Ronk's preseason projection

Susquehanna 10-4
Scranton        10-4
Catholic           9-5
Juniata            9-5
Moravian         9-5
E-town            5-9
Drew               2-12
Goucher          2-12

Essentially, the top 5 split with each other, 3 thru 5 lose 1 game each to the 6 thru 8 group, 7 & 8 split with each other and lose both to E-town.

So, after this week's  games, here are the current standings:
Susquehan   10-2   0.833   956   828      20-3   0.870   1867   1606   8-2   Won 4
Scranton   9-3   0.750   873   754      17-6   0.739   1674   1465   7-3   Lost 1
Moravian   9-3   0.750   959   881      16-7   0.696   1915   1803   8-2   Won 3
Catholic   8-4   0.667   902   895      16-7   0.696   1707   1648   6-4   Won 1
Drew         5-7   0.417   852   888      11-12   0.478   1733   1676   4-6   Lost 3
Juniata   3-9   0.250   824   892      11-12   0.478   1624   1563   3-7   Lost 4
Elizabethto   2-10   0.167   739   877      5-17   0.227   1405   1585   2-8   Lost 1
Goucher   2-10   0.167   789   879      5-18   0.217   1470   1667   2-8   Won 1

In this week's games, there were 3 outcomes that differed from my preseason projection(Juniata losing @ home to Mor and E-town, G defeating E-town; so my revised projection:

Scranton         11-3
Susque           11-3
Moravian         10-4
Catholic           8-6
Juniata            5-9
Drew               5-9
E-town             3-11
Goucher           3-11

The 4 postseason tourney teams have been identified(Scr,Sus,Mor,CUA); only the seedings remain to be determined this week. It is possible but improbable to have a 4-way tie for 1st @ 10-4.

This week's Game of the nite:

Wed - Susque @ Scranton
Sat -  Catholic @ Moravian

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2017, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Back to the hard court...

What an entertaining game between Catholic and Scranton on senior night.  These teams were very evenly matched, and mirrored each other in the stat sheet.  The last 30 seconds featured a 86% free throw shooter missing the front end of a 1 and 1 for Catholic that could have put them up 3, followed by a 78% free throw shooter missing both shots for Scranton that could have tied it or sent it to OT.

Interestingly, for all the talk about defense, I thought Catholic played a very solid defensive game today.  They used Turner and Hayes on Vitkus and both were effective.  Hayes in particular had a really gritty game--started out his rotation rough but adjusted and made some huge plays. 

Neither team took a lot of 3's--I'm used to a lot more jump and long range shooting from Scranton.  Both struggled on offense, Howard was very effective getting to the line for Catholic, and Khouri was his usual reliable self.

So, at this point the only drama left is between Catholic and Moravian for the #3 seed.

And between Scranton and Susquehanna for the #1 seed.

Yes, the 3-pt defense was improved - only 21 attempted by both teams and only 2 by Danzig. Hayes was a force on the offensive boards; may have come of age tonight.

There was 1 annoying aspect to the game tonight; when Scranton was at the foul line in the 2nd half there was a flash from 2 lights at the endline corners from the top of the gym; it happened at least 10 times but not in the 1st half when Catholic was shooting at that end; I also didn't notice it in the women's game. Don't know if it affected the Scranton shooters but it shouldn't be happening. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
Strobes (used for still photography) are permitted even in NCAA Tournament play, which is traditionally more restrictive than regular season play. Guessing DuFour isn't much better lit than when I last shot photos there -- I certainly wish I'd ever had access to strobes there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2017, 08:38:05 AM
Scranton beats the Riverhawks and Goucher do they win the conference?

Feel for the young man that missed the FTs at the end of the game hope he keeps his head up he has a bright future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2017, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2017, 08:38:05 AM
Scranton beats the Riverhawks and Goucher do they win the conference?

Feel for the young man that missed the FTs at the end of the game hope he keeps his head up he has a bright future.

Scranton would be the #1 seed in the postseason tourney in that scenario via tiebreakers over Susquehanns and/or Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 13, 2017, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2017, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Back to the hard court...

What an entertaining game between Catholic and Scranton on senior night.  These teams were very evenly matched, and mirrored each other in the stat sheet.  The last 30 seconds featured a 86% free throw shooter missing the front end of a 1 and 1 for Catholic that could have put them up 3, followed by a 78% free throw shooter missing both shots for Scranton that could have tied it or sent it to OT.

Interestingly, for all the talk about defense, I thought Catholic played a very solid defensive game today.  They used Turner and Hayes on Vitkus and both were effective.  Hayes in particular had a really gritty game--started out his rotation rough but adjusted and made some huge plays. 

Neither team took a lot of 3's--I'm used to a lot more jump and long range shooting from Scranton.  Both struggled on offense, Howard was very effective getting to the line for Catholic, and Khouri was his usual reliable self.

So, at this point the only drama left is between Catholic and Moravian for the #3 seed.

And between Scranton and Susquehanna for the #1 seed.

Yes, the 3-pt defense was improved - only 21 attempted by both teams and only 2 by Danzig. Hayes was a force on the offensive boards; may have come of age tonight.

There was 1 annoying aspect to the game tonight; when Scranton was at the foul line in the 2nd half there was a flash from 2 lights at the endline corners from the top of the gym; it happened at least 10 times but not in the 1st half when Catholic was shooting at that end; I also didn't notice it in the women's game. Don't know if it affected the Scranton shooters but it shouldn't be happening.

They've been doing the photography during games for a few seasons now. I personally find the flashes very noticeable from the stands and rather distracting. I can't imagine the players don't also notice them. There have definitely been flashes when CUA takes free throws in the past. I agree it shouldn't happen when either team is taking FTs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2017, 01:10:52 PM
Maybe it was where I was sitting, but I never noticed the flashes during the game.  The only thing I noticed was that the lights to the secondary gym behind the court were turned on a few times in the 2nd half, presumably by the little kids playing back there.  I thought it was kind of distraction, but Catholic was shooting in that direction.  Staff went over and turned them off each time.

The players are probably so focused that they don't notice any of it. 

I didn't realize that SUS still had to play Scranton again, my mistake. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2017, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 13, 2017, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2017, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Back to the hard court...

What an entertaining game between Catholic and Scranton on senior night.  These teams were very evenly matched, and mirrored each other in the stat sheet.  The last 30 seconds featured a 86% free throw shooter missing the front end of a 1 and 1 for Catholic that could have put them up 3, followed by a 78% free throw shooter missing both shots for Scranton that could have tied it or sent it to OT.

Interestingly, for all the talk about defense, I thought Catholic played a very solid defensive game today.  They used Turner and Hayes on Vitkus and both were effective.  Hayes in particular had a really gritty game--started out his rotation rough but adjusted and made some huge plays. 

Neither team took a lot of 3's--I'm used to a lot more jump and long range shooting from Scranton.  Both struggled on offense, Howard was very effective getting to the line for Catholic, and Khouri was his usual reliable self.

So, at this point the only drama left is between Catholic and Moravian for the #3 seed.

And between Scranton and Susquehanna for the #1 seed.

Yes, the 3-pt defense was improved - only 21 attempted by both teams and only 2 by Danzig. Hayes was a force on the offensive boards; may have come of age tonight.

There was 1 annoying aspect to the game tonight; when Scranton was at the foul line in the 2nd half there was a flash from 2 lights at the endline corners from the top of the gym; it happened at least 10 times but not in the 1st half when Catholic was shooting at that end; I also didn't notice it in the women's game. Don't know if it affected the Scranton shooters but it shouldn't be happening.

They've been doing the photography during games for a few seasons now. I personally find the flashes very noticeable from the stands and rather distracting. I can't imagine the players don't also notice them. There have definitely been flashes when CUA takes free throws in the past. I agree it shouldn't happen when either team is taking FTs.

As Pat has mentioned, strobes are very common in the NCAA tournament and I can't for the life of me known a time when a strobe flash affected the game in any manner. Now, flashes coming from the stands absolutely can have an affect since they are far closer to eye level and the eye can see the pinpoint of where the flash came from... but that is why strobes are high up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
The higher you up, the more distracting they are. But the game is played at floor level -- strobes are high up for a reason. They're most effective when high above the court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2017, 01:39:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
The higher you up, the more distracting they are. But the game is played at floor level -- strobes are high up for a reason. They're most effective when high above the court.

Well, I was sitting in the 4th row of bleachers, not significantly different than the eye level of a 6-3 player standing on the court, and it was distracting to me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 14, 2017, 01:39:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
The higher you up, the more distracting they are. But the game is played at floor level -- strobes are high up for a reason. They're most effective when high above the court.

Well, I was sitting in the 4th row of bleachers, not significantly different than the eye level of a 6-3 player standing on the court, and it was distracting to me.

To be honest, you will see them more than the players because you are removed from the floor and turned 90 degrees from their perspective and thus can see the strobes... players on the floor don't see them.

Best example I can give you... when I am courtside at Salem for championships, I don't notice strobe lights ever even though they are going off constantly. When I am at another arena, further off the floor... I notice them all of the time.
Title: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on February 15, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Heavy weight bout tonight at the Long Center, or a fly weight bought according to D Mac  ;). A win tonight from either side would put the victor in the driver seat to host throughout Landmark playoffs.

I believe Sus has the better players and deeper bench, but the Scranton matchup zone can bottle up any offense on any night.

As I mentioned before the first matchup, Traub and Vitkus staying out of foul trouble will be imperative for both squads.

Should be a good one in the Electric City, Cousin Sal from the desert has this one as pick'em.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
Royals come back from 49-38 deficit to defeat Susquehanna for the 2nd time and will be the 1st seed if they can defeat Goucher Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 15, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
Royals come back from 49-38 deficit to defeat Susquehanna for the 2nd time and will be the 1st seed if they can defeat Goucher Saturday.


How bout them Royals!!!
Title: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on February 22, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
First day of Landmark Playoffs kick off tonight  and the 3rd regional rankings will be released. Will SUS hang on to the 2 spot in the region? while they have the misfortune of playing a road first round playoff game

Jay Howard will be making his first appearance in uniform at the Long Center tonight, will be interesting to see how that game plays out. 

Predictions:
Scranton by 7
Sus by 4 on the road, due to playoff experience and strong road record over past 2 seasons. Moravian could absolutely win this game with the way they shoot the 3, especially in Behtlehem.

Enjoy what should be 2 well played games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2017, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: Hooper42 on February 22, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
First day of Landmark Playoffs kick off tonight  and the 3rd regional rankings will be released. Will SUS hang on to the 2 spot in the region? while they have the misfortune of playing a road first round playoff game

Jay Howard will be making his first appearance in uniform at the Long Center tonight, will be interesting to see how that game plays out. 

Predictions:
Scranton by 7
Sus by 4 on the road, due to playoff experience and strong road record over past 2 seasons. Moravian could absolutely win this game with the way they shoot the 3, especially in Behtlehem.

Enjoy what should be 2 well played games.

Thank you. Didn't realize that Sus was on the road. The staggered starts ( 7/730) should allow us crazies to see the ending of each game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
4 of the 8 regional ranked are like minded institutions.

Sus (3 Seed in Conference Tourn)
Scranton (1 Seed)
Catholic (4 Seed)
Moravian (2 Seed)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
Here's wishing the Royals all the best this afternoon as they play for yet another championship.

Once again...nothing flashy, nobody truly dominant, just a bunch of inter-changeable kids that can score & who are now playing some pretty decent defense.

They can still get a little lazy on the perimeter but overall, they have really improved defensively since the last Moravian game at the Long Center.

Big question...does the loser of this game get overlooked by the NCAA in favor of Susquehanna?

That would be a hard pill for the Royals to swallow since they've already beat the ex Crusaders twice.

Could the Landmark actually get 3 teams in if Moravian were to win (Scranton & Susquehanna)?

Should be a good game if the Royals slow the game down & limit Moravian from crashing the boards for second chance shots.

Royals will also need to shoot around 70 plus % from the line...& Danzig needs to hit a few early shots from deep to open things up for the big guys underneath.

All in all, pretty remarkable job the new coach at Moravian has done in just a few short years.

His kids are not playing like they are just happy to finally win a few...they are playing like there is no doubt in their minds that they belong in this game.

Only complaint...whatever happened to evening games on the weekend?

The Royals have always drawn far better at 7 or 8 o'clock than these mid afternoon affairs.

Hopefully the students show up today, the kids deserve that support.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
Here's wishing the Royals all the best this afternoon as they play for yet another championship.

Once again...nothing flashy, nobody truly dominant, just a bunch of inter-changeable kids that can score & who are now playing some pretty decent defense.

They can still get a little lazy on the perimeter but overall, they have really improved defensively since the last Moravian game at the Long Center.

Big question...does the loser of this game get overlooked by the NCAA in favor of Susquehanna?

That would be a hard pill for the Royals to swallow since they've already beat the ex Crusaders twice.

Could the Landmark actually get 3 teams in if Moravian were to win (Scranton & Susquehanna)?

Should be a good game if the Royals slow the game down & limit Moravian from crashing the boards for second chance shots.

Royals will also need to shoot around 70 plus % from the line...& Danzig needs to hit a few early shots from deep to open things up for the big guys underneath.

All in all, pretty remarkable job the new coach at Moravian has done in just a few short years.

His kids are not playing like they are just happy to finally win a few...they are playing like there is no doubt in their minds that they belong in this game.

Only complaint...whatever happened to evening games on the weekend?

The Royals have always drawn far better at 7 or 8 o'clock than these mid afternoon affairs.

Hopefully the students show up today, the kids deserve that support.

Toga

Not sure if you were in DC and thus unable to watch the Men's game. Good student turnout, a little thin with the "regular" fans. Rain, thunder and lightening outside and Dean was commenting about how hot the gym was. Happy for John Vitkus, career high in points, and a couple rim rockers. Only negative, no storming of the court I wonder if that is a new policy.

Congrats to the Royals let's see how the NCAA screws us on Monday! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2017, 11:41:34 PM
NEPA:

Probably a first round matchup at Babson!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2017, 12:16:39 AM
 Of the possibilities, it looks like Neumann would be the closest host for me to travel to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 27, 2017, 11:11:01 AM
Took most the fam to the Long Center on Saturday. It was worth wading through the multiple rivers from the parking garage to the gym. Thankfully, it was so hot in the building that shoes & clothing dried quickly. Vitkus was a beast on the court and the energy was great from fans !  Agree, let's hope the 1st round is somewhere commutable for NJ, PA, & NY. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Royals go to Williams, Mass to play Oswego State. Good matchup there in a cool gym if you can make the trip.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 27, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Royals go to Williams, Mass to play Oswego State. Good matchup there in a cool gym if you can make the trip.

I think the Royals and Becker gathered @ Williams a few years ago for a regional weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
Just a little tidbit of info regarding Scranton/Williams should they play on Saturday....

Bobby Casey from Scranton & a grad of my daughters alma mater, Scranton Prep is a starting guard for the Ephs.

I can still smell the burnt popcorn choking the air at Chandler from the last time we were up there in 2011 against Becker (the 4th. team in this pod).

And...Oswego is now coached by the former coach at Keystone College which is located right outside of Scranton so I'm sure both coaches are pretty familiar with each others philosophy's.

Scary quote of the day...Coach Danzig likes the draw and his bracket...each year he says that there has been a real quick exit.
Hopefully, this year is the charm.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 01, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
Landmark Post Season awards
COY- Justin Potts and staff are very deserving of this award, taking the Greyhounds to the title game in just year two at the helm. I think recruits will want to play in his up tempo style, and Bethlehem is a short car ride from some bball hotbeds.
POY- Steve Weidlich I was a little surprised when I first read this, while Weidlich does fill up the stat sheet and can defend opponents best scoring guard, I thought Vitkus, McGuire, or even Jay Howard were more likely to take home POY honors
DOY- Vitkus very good choice an athletic big who can move his feet defensively. There is a younger Vitkus on The Royals roster, the rest of the conference should hope he doesn't turn out like his big brother.
ROY- Riley Collins didn't see much of Collins this year but plays similar to former Drew guard Mike Klinger

NCAA tournament: Medaille at Susquehanna - should be a winnable game for the Hawks who havent played in 9 days
Scranton v Oswego St - The Royals will have to slow down All-American guard 6-2 Brian Sortino 22ppg who does a bit of everything for the Lakers.

If Scranton and Sus were to win both friday and Saturday they would meet in the sweet 16, in what would be a good thing for the Landmark in regards to national attention and a guaranteed Elite 8 squad. However, in order to play both teams would need to combine for 4 tournament wins, which Im guessing would be a Landmark record.

Congrats to the All Conference selections and Good Luck  to Scranton and Susquehanna this weekend. I hope the trend of early exits for Landmark squads is broken. Survive and Advance!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 02, 2017, 01:19:25 AM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 01, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
Landmark Post Season awards
COY- Justin Potts and staff are very deserving of this award, taking the Greyhounds to the title game in just year two at the helm. I think recruits will want to play in his up tempo style, and Bethlehem is a short car ride from some bball hotbeds.
POY- Steve Weidlich I was a little surprised when I first read this, while Weidlich does fill up the stat sheet and can defend opponents best scoring guard, I thought Vitkus, McGuire, or even Jay Howard were more likely to take home POY honors
DOY- Vitkus very good choice an athletic big who can move his feet defensively. There is a younger Vitkus on The Royals roster, the rest of the conference should hope he doesn't turn out like his big brother.
ROY- Riley Collins didn't see much of Collins this year but plays similar to former Drew guard Mike Klinger

NCAA tournament: Medaille at Susquehanna - should be a winnable game for the Hawks who havent played in 9 days
Scranton v Oswego St - The Royals will have to slow down All-American guard 6-2 Brian Sortino 22ppg who does a bit of everything for the Lakers.

If Scranton and Sus were to win both friday and Saturday they would meet in the sweet 16, in what would be a good thing for the Landmark in regards to national attention and a guaranteed Elite 8 squad. However, in order to play both teams would need to combine for 4 tournament wins, which Im guessing would be a Landmark record.

Congrats to the All Conference selections and Good Luck  to Scranton and Susquehanna this weekend. I hope the trend of early exits for Landmark squads is broken. Survive and Advance!!

POY was always going to be Weidlich. He seemed like the odds-on favorite for most of the season. Vitkus and McGuire both had excellent seasons, but Weidlich didn't do anything to lose it.

Riley Collins was the only possible choice for Newcomer of the Year. I didn't see any freshmen making a real contribution this season other than him.

Coach Potts and his staff were the no-brainer choice for Coaching Staff of the Year. I'm really looking forward to see if Moravian can push on next season.

Very happy that Louis Khouri was honored. I would have liked for him to make 1st Team as he was completely deserving. He had a terrific senior season and he will be a huge miss next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on March 02, 2017, 01:19:25 AM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 01, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
Landmark Post Season awards
COY- Justin Potts and staff are very deserving of this award, taking the Greyhounds to the title game in just year two at the helm. I think recruits will want to play in his up tempo style, and Bethlehem is a short car ride from some bball hotbeds.
POY- Steve Weidlich I was a little surprised when I first read this, while Weidlich does fill up the stat sheet and can defend opponents best scoring guard, I thought Vitkus, McGuire, or even Jay Howard were more likely to take home POY honors
DOY- Vitkus very good choice an athletic big who can move his feet defensively. There is a younger Vitkus on The Royals roster, the rest of the conference should hope he doesn't turn out like his big brother.
ROY- Riley Collins didn't see much of Collins this year but plays similar to former Drew guard Mike Klinger

NCAA tournament: Medaille at Susquehanna - should be a winnable game for the Hawks who havent played in 9 days
Scranton v Oswego St - The Royals will have to slow down All-American guard 6-2 Brian Sortino 22ppg who does a bit of everything for the Lakers.

If Scranton and Sus were to win both friday and Saturday they would meet in the sweet 16, in what would be a good thing for the Landmark in regards to national attention and a guaranteed Elite 8 squad. However, in order to play both teams would need to combine for 4 tournament wins, which Im guessing would be a Landmark record.

Congrats to the All Conference selections and Good Luck  to Scranton and Susquehanna this weekend. I hope the trend of early exits for Landmark squads is broken. Survive and Advance!!

POY was always going to be Weidlich. He seemed like the odds-on favorite for most of the season. Vitkus and McGuire both had excellent seasons, but Weidlich didn't do anything to lose it.

Riley Collins was the only possible choice for Newcomer of the Year. I didn't see any freshmen making a real contribution this season other than him.

Coach Potts and his staff were the no-brainer choice for Coaching Staff of the Year. I'm really looking forward to see if Moravian can push on next season.

Very happy that Louis Khouri was honored. I would have liked for him to make 1st Team as he was completely deserving. He had a terrific senior season and he will be a huge miss next year.

I feel that the conference as a whole has had 2 consecutive down years wrt to attracting quality players; it doesn't bode well for postseason success.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2017, 05:43:54 PM
Getting defeated yet again is one thing...just try & stay away from the outright embarrassments like last year.

As Hooper points out...survive & advance.

Oswego has some bodies that can make life tough for JV underneath so the other kids better bring at least their B game.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:55:47 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 04, 2017, 02:58:37 AM
Survive and advance is what both Susquehanna and Scranton did Friday night. A solid showing for the Mid-Atlantic region as well with I think only one loss. 

The Ex-crusaders now take on a very good Eastern Connecticut squad. Ironically teams may have some familiarity with one another both having played in the same D3 Holiday tournament in Miami, although not against one another.

Scranton will have a tough one at Williams, but should have some confidence after finding a way to win vs Osw St.

I'm still rooting for a Landmark matchup in the sweet 16, possibly at the Long Center? Good luck to both squads tomorrow evening.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Congrats to the Royals.

Quite an undertaking to come back from 19 down with under 16 minutes left.

Last year they dug this same whole & kept digging with no way out...this year, same hole, different result.

If they can find a way to avoid these scoring droughts while the other team keeps pouring it on, they may actually have a little less stress with every possession.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Hooper42 on March 04, 2017, 02:58:37 AM
Survive and advance is what both Susquehanna and Scranton did Friday night. A solid showing for the Mid-Atlantic region as well with I think only one loss. 

The Ex-crusaders now take on a very good Eastern Connecticut squad. Ironically teams may have some familiarity with one another both having played in the same D3 Holiday tournament in Miami, although not against one another.

Scranton will have a tough one at Williams, but should have some confidence after finding a way to win vs Osw St.

I'm still rooting for a Landmark matchup in the sweet 16, possibly at the Long Center? Good luck to both squads tomorrow evening.



If the two advance, it would take a pretty big upset for the game not to take place at Middlebury. Sure it could happen... but the Panthers are the top seeded team in this quadrant of the bracket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hooper42 on March 05, 2017, 03:54:54 AM
D Mac correct as usual, looks like SU is heading to Middlebury to take on Williams.
Williams is beatable if they aren't making 11 3s in a single half. They have a good post defender, but I believe playing them on a neutral court is advantageous.

Congrats to the Susquehanna players, Coach Marcinek and his staff on advancing to the sweet 16 as they haven't gotten much respect lately with the tough end to the regular season. Hope the program earned some chatter on a national level with the 2 W's this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2017, 08:20:13 AM
Great job by the Royals in a year that had little in the way of expectations , in my humble opinion. I don't think there has been a more consistent team in the Mid Atlantic over the past several years. Vitkus was a great story and had a great career , with few minutes as a freshman to really shinning this year.

Looking forward to seeing what the Royals bring in next year since it is an even year and will have the advantage of hosting over the women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2017, 08:20:13 AM
Great job by the Royals in a year that had little in the way of expectations , in my humble opinion. I don't think there has been a more consistent team in the Mid Atlantic over the past several years. Vitkus was a great story and had a great career , with few minutes as a freshman to really shinning this year.

Looking forward to seeing what the Royals bring in next year since it is an even year and will have the advantage of hosting over the women.

Agree that the Royals did reasonably well with only 1 senior - 1st place regular season tie, winning the AQ, and an NCAA victory. It was a fitting year for the 100th season of Royal basketball. Vitkus had a very good career with his improvement each year. He had the combo of power and athleticism that allowed him to quickly make adjustments when things weren't perfect(passes,bumps,bobbles) and finish plays when lesser players would have to reinitiate the offense by passing the ball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 25, 2017, 09:10:05 PM
Congrats to Royal's Assistant Coach who was selected as one of NABC's 30 under 30, you can find the link here:


http://www.nabc.com/NABC_Releases/2017/30_under_30




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 11, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
Here are my odds on who is going to win the Landmark next year:

Moravian: -300
Susquehanna:+100
Catholic:+150
Drew:+300
Juniata:+500
Scranton:+650
Goucher+700
Elizabethtown+1000

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
 I'd call it even among Moravian, Catholic, and Scranton for the top spot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on May 16, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
Long-time MAC Freedom and Landmark poster 'Cold Case' has moved on to that great chat room in the sky.  His obituary appears in the May 16 edition of the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice.  RIP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 16, 2017, 06:40:21 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on May 16, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
Long-time MAC Freedom and Landmark poster 'Cold Case' has moved on to that great chat room in the sky.  His obituary appears in the May 16 edition of the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice.  RIP.

Jesus. Unexpectedly at home? Can I PM you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 16, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on May 16, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
Long-time MAC Freedom and Landmark poster 'Cold Case' has moved on to that great chat room in the sky.  His obituary appears in the May 16 edition of the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice.  RIP.

  Cold Case had sent me a PM a few years ago and I learned his name that way - he had an older cousin who was in my class @ U of Scranton. Those were some interesting sessions we had on the Freedom MB 10 years ago  with Colonel John and Saratoga, also.
  RIP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 16, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 16, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on May 16, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
Long-time MAC Freedom and Landmark poster 'Cold Case' has moved on to that great chat room in the sky.  His obituary appears in the May 16 edition of the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice.  RIP.

  Cold Case had sent me a PM a few years ago and I learned his name that way - he had an older cousin who was in my class @ U of Scranton. Those were some interesting sessions we had on the Freedom MB 10 years ago  with Colonel John and Saratoga, also.
  RIP.

RIP Dom. He provided a wealth of information to me offline over the years and I am sadden to hear this news. The Orioles and Colts may be good plays in Vegas this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 16, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Sorry to hear that. I know he mixed it up with others on these boards, but my only interaction with him in person was a positive one several years ago. :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 18, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
Will raise a glass to the cold one.

Probably busting St. Peter's chops right now!

RIP
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2017, 11:58:34 AM
My condolences to all who knew Cold Case. You had to admire the guy's passion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 19, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
Cold Case first came to the board and shared with me a recruit by the name of Paul Hawk who was coming to the U.  He was also always saying how good the good old days were with the rocking royals. I believe he had many of the 70s-80s games still on VHS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on June 02, 2017, 10:53:25 AM
     Rest In Paradise, Cold Case.  Sad to see one of our own go...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 13, 2017, 08:53:44 AM
A nice overture by whomever sponsored a hole for the Carlesimo Golf tournament in memory of Cold Case..link is below and you can click on Hole Sponsor Listing:


http://www.scranton.edu/development/athletics-fund/carlesimo/sponsor.shtml




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 17, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
and my last post on the Carlesimo Golf Tourney, here is the link to the Silent Auction. The D3hoops package sponsorship must not have been posted yet ;)


http://www.501auctions.com/carlesimo2017


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 02, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
Scranton SID Dept. can truly break the secrecy & announce the Royals schedule any day now.

Some of us actually like to book our rooms in Madison, Baltimore & DC early....I mean tickets do go fast.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 02, 2017, 10:01:13 PM
The conference schedule is already set. You don't have to wait on the school. Yes, things could be adjusted, but those things happen rarely. See here the master list: http://landmarkconference.org/administration/future_schedules/index

And here is a dirty little secret, make a small change to the web address and find a lot of info you might be looking for: http://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

I will say that SID departments tend to be super focused on fall sports right now and sometimes coaches are still working on the schedules (it happens often), so they may ask to wait on releasing the info. There are lot of reasons in DIII why this stuff doesn't get posted. Heck, I'm used to not seeing Goucher's posted "officially" until mid-October a lot of years. LOL I still find the schedule in other ways. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 03, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Great.

Thanks, Dave.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 22, 2017, 12:36:41 AM
 With the release last week of the Royals' incoming class, a prospective starting lineup is Kyle Deverna, Kevin Doolan, Ethan Danzig, Matt Mancuso, and Drew Schankweiler with Chris McCullough, Mitch Cross, and Brandon Feinberg also in the rotation. Haven't seen any of the newcomers in person, only their hilite videos, and 2(Monaghan, Stafford) of those were from their junior years. Hopefully, some(Logan Bailey?) will make significant contributions. McCullough, being the best defender, may retain his  starting position.
   In other Landmark news, Catholic will be playing a regular season game @ U-Maryland.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Scranton's Roster up, no surprises...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 05, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Scranton's Roster up, no surprises...

Brandon Feinberg didn't return.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2017, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 05, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Scranton's Roster up, no surprises...

Brandon Feinberg didn't return.

Good catch, wonder why. Opportunity for a Forward/Center to step up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
To follow up on the last post Scranton loses Vitkus and his rebounds. We already know the issue that Scranton has had with rebounding... should be interesting who steps up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 02, 2017, 05:33:32 PM
From DMAC....


http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2017/11/02/daves-top-25-ballot-preseason-17-18/


24 – Scranton
The one thing I can absolutely say with certainty about the Royals: they are one of the more consistent programs in Division III men's basketball. I know they will be at the top of the conference and being considered for Top 25 attention every season. They bring back a lot of weapons, but for the first time in many years I think they are missing a key piece inside (center). How they handle finding the answers down low, so Ethan Danzig doesn't feel like he has all the pressure on him to produce, will be the key.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 02, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
The Schankmeister needs to pick up his game by being a force down low that finishes his layups, boxes out, doesn't pick up dumb fouls, hits the offensive glass & rebounds at the other end not to mention clogs the middle & swats a few away.


He doesn't have to be Brenden Boken or John Vitkis but he does need to be better than he was last season.


If he can improve his all around game & give them options down low with Mancuso, I think there will again be plenty of outside fire power to compliment the typical Royal inside/out approach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 02, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
The Schankmeister needs to pick up his game by being a force down low that finishes his layups, boxes out, doesn't pick up dumb fouls, hits the offensive glass & rebounds at the other end not to mention clogs the middle & swats a few away.


He doesn't have to be Brenden Boken or John Vitkis but he does need to be better than he was last season.


If he can improve his all around game & give them options down low with Mancuso, I think there will again be plenty of outside fire power to compliment the typical Royal inside/out approach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 02, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
The Schankmeister needs to pick up his game by being a force down low that finishes his layups, boxes out, doesn't pick up dumb fouls, hits the offensive glass & rebounds at the other end not to mention clogs the middle & swats a few away.


He doesn't have to be Brenden Boken or John Vitkis but he does need to be better than he was last season.


If he can improve his all around game & give them options down low with Mancuso, I think there will again be plenty of outside fire power to compliment the typical Royal inside/out approach.

Agreed, looking for some increased impact from Mancuso this year. My question with Feinberg not returning is who comes off the bench in the front court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 16, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
https://www.meridix.com/event/126659


This is a great listen with talk of all NEPA college basketball and some D1 talk. Of course the most in-depth talk was on Scranton and starts at the 16 minute mark. Some good nuggets for Royal fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
Thank God at least one Senior has brought their A game thus far this season or a horrible start would be much worse.

The Shank has been a beast on both ends of the floor & almost single handedly put the entire team on his back in their loss to Widener.

They still can't/won't play defense & until they realize that's where games are won, this team will be just another in a long line of very defensively challenged Royal clubs.

Stranger things can certainly happen but I'd have to say right now the Juniata men (Sat's. opponent) are licking their chops as the Royals continue to reel.

No passion/no intensity.

I know it's still early but this team needs an all out effort & real soon or what was once a projected promising year will be over by New Years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2017, 08:31:34 PM
 The return of the 2 injured starters should make a difference, especially with McCullough with defense and effort; let's hope it's soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 30, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
It's a long season, there is a good coach there and there is talent. Add in inured pieces and they could be right in the mix in no time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
Shows you how much I take winning for granted. Rough to see them struggle like this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2017, 09:36:20 PM
 Wow! Scranton lost again. Those 2 starters being out have really effected them. When was the last time the Royals lost to 2 CSAC teams in the same year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 04, 2017, 09:36:20 PM
Wow! Scranton lost again. Those 2 starters being out have really effected them. When was the last time the Royals lost to 2 CSAC teams in the same year?

It almost happened last year when Scranton beat Cabrini by 1 and lost to Neumann by 23. I felt worse in 2003 when Scranton lost to Misericordia and Marywood in the same year, not so long after they changed from being women's colleges.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2017, 08:08:49 AM
I didn't realize Scranton was missing 2 McDonald All-Americans.

Don't they have four (as in 4) starters back from last season???

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 05, 2017, 08:08:49 AM
I didn't realize Scranton was missing 2 McDonald All-Americans.

Don't they have four (as in 4) starters back from last season???

Saratoga wins the "sarcastic comment of the week" award.

In a non-sarcastic, non-Saratoga way................................I thought that Neumann graduated 5 of their top 6 players from last year's team. I need to go do some roster scouring..............
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 05, 2017, 08:08:49 AM
I didn't realize Scranton was missing 2 McDonald All-Americans.

Don't they have four (as in 4) starters back from last season???

Saratoga wins the "sarcastic comment of the week" award.

In a non-sarcastic, non-Saratoga way................................I thought that Neumann graduated 5 of their top 6 players from last year's team. I need to go do some roster scouring..............

They did.. .but they also got in some decent players. That said, I don't expect them to be where they were last year. Maybe this is more of a sign of something is off in Scranton, sadly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:44:40 PM
Thanks Dave! Great show on Sunday night!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:44:40 PM
Thanks Dave! Great show on Sunday night!!

Thanks! I appreciate it. Fun bunch of guests.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on December 06, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
I think Scranton will figure it out.. I've been watching them play for years and they are well coached and well prepared night in and night out. League looks like it is totally up for grabs this year. Going to be fun to follow along.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2017, 06:15:32 PM

I certainly hope the Royals get around to 'figuring it out', otherwise it will be a long, long year inside & outside of the Long Center.

One place the braintrust might start in their quest to get better is to improve their defense.

If you continually allow teams to shoot 65% from the field, then they won't beat a decent high school team let alone respectable college teams.

Personally, I see this team as addicted to shooting the 3 & rarely have I seen them this year have an organized and well thought out plan of attack to reset the offense when Shank is getting double teamed other than fire away.

From air balls at the free throw line to lazy passes turned into points to wing players not knowing who their covering (hint: it's probably the guy on the wing) there is much to improve upon & the clock is ticking.

I hope I'm wrong but I question whether this team, as they are currently playing are even capable of going on the road and bringing the focus needed to win.

Right now they appear to be leaderless, passionless & lost...qualities not really ever associated with a Scranton team.

If someone wants to emerge as a team leader, now would be the perfect time.

Otherwise, I guess we just wait for Westbrook & Curry to return.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2017, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2017, 06:15:32 PM

I certainly hope the Royals get around to 'figuring it out', otherwise it will be a long, long year inside & outside of the Long Center.

One place the braintrust might start in their quest to get better is to improve their defense.

If you continually allow teams to shoot 65% from the field, then they won't beat a decent high school team let alone respectable college teams.

Personally, I see this team as addicted to shooting the 3 & rarely have I seen them this year have an organized and well thought out plan of attack to reset the offense when Shank is getting double teamed other than fire away.

From air balls at the free throw line to lazy passes turned into points to wing players not knowing who their covering (hint: it's probably the guy on the wing) there is much to improve upon & the clock is ticking.

I hope I'm wrong but I question whether this team, as they are currently playing are even capable of going on the road and bringing the focus needed to win.

Right now they appear to be leaderless, passionless & lost...qualities not really ever associated with a Scranton team.

If someone wants to emerge as a team leader, now would be the perfect time.

Otherwise, I guess we just wait for Westbrook & Curry to return.

If I am Danzig I tell the team we hit the reset button on 1 January and focus on conference play. Is this what it feels like to be a Goucher fan? Haha. Jk.

We lose Cold Case and the Royals tank; coincidence?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 11:38:55 AM
YOu have no idea what it feels like to be a Goucher fan. LOL

Last night was insane. Gwynedd Mercy shot 21-26 from the floor and 12 of 16 from 3pt in the first half. They "cooled" off in the second, but tied an SRC record for 17 made threes and shot nearly 65% for the game and beyond the arc. Goucher actually shot reasonably well... but not a chance in the game.

It was crazy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
Scranton fans - I'm watching a couple of games online and I have a question for the Scranton posters. Where the heck are the fans??

The side behind the players/coaches and scorers table might have 20-25 people in the stands at most and the seating behind the one backboard is bare except for the cheerleaders.

Is this typical for non-conference games? I notice this at several schools that don't have football programs...........and don't have 100-125 players in the stands cheering on their buddies (and riding the opponents and refs :) )
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2017, 07:30:07 PM
It might be more likely that it's typical for games before classes resume in January. Generally it takes a while for the fan interest to come around to the basketball season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2017, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
Scranton fans - I'm watching a couple of games online and I have a question for the Scranton posters. Where the heck are the fans??

The side behind the players/coaches and scorers table might have 20-25 people in the stands at most and the seating behind the one backboard is bare except for the cheerleaders.

Is this typical for non-conference games? I notice this at several schools that don't have football programs...........and don't have 100-125 players in the stands cheering on their buddies (and riding the opponents and refs :) )

It's typical for games after the semester is over; it doesn't pick up til after the intersession is over in late January; there's usually a little more support from the non-student community but the sloppy play of the Royals this season is largely responsible for that. On a positive note, one of the missing starters(Mancuso) saw his first action of the season tonight, so that will be a big improvement, although starting from a much lower-than-normal base.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on December 16, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Couple landmark teams traveling to play NJAC teams today. Scranton @ TCNJ and  Drew @ Rutgers Newark. Looking forward to streaming both games today. Lot of d3 hoops today!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: daddyhoops on December 16, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
TCNJ gets the W win today vs Scranton
Royals not looking good this season w 2-7 record.
Lions backcourt to quick for Scranton to handle.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2017, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: daddyhoops on December 16, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
TCNJ gets the W win today vs Scranton
Royals not looking good this season w 2-7 record.
Lions backcourt to quick for Scranton to handle.

Scranton's game plan is to lure the TCNJ ballhandlers with their lack of defensive pressure ::), like offensive linemen do with the rushers, setting up a screen pass; just don't know if the Royals will employ it the whole game or wait til the 2nd half when it will be harder for TCNJ to make the adjustment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
How did Scranton get so bad so fast? They aren't even competitive
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
How did Scranton get so bad so fast? They aren't even competitive

They used to make up for defensive deficiencies by outshooting the opponent but that's eliminated with all the turnovers now - 21 today against no unusual pressure.  22-38 3-pt attempts will make anyone look bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2017, 10:35:31 AM
In the "modern" era of basketball (1970-present) there have been two prolonged losing streaks at Scranton.

Coming in at #2 is the current 6 game slide and the longest losing streak at the U of S comes in at 10 games back in 2003 during Danzig's third season at the helm.

With the apparent inability or interest in playing defense, especially on the perimeter, I would suggest this years version of a college basketball team may challenge that record.

Watching them play is like going back in time seeing a 1960's team from rural Oklahoma (not Indiana) going up against teams that have actually advanced their style of play to 2017/18.

Three steps too slow & just here to shoot is usually not a recipe for success at any level.

Until this team becomes more athletic and defense is taken seriously, having seasons such as this will become more the rule rather than the exception.

TCNJ is a great school & their coach has brought many of Amherst's trademarks with him to turn that program around.

In an unfortunate sort of way, it was a pleasure to watch them play yesterday...the Royals, not so much.

League play still lies ahead & anything can happen but this team, as currently playing, needs some serious Devine intervention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
yes but the shooters haven't changed on this team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2017, 06:46:40 AM

Without factoring in heart, hustle & passion (which appear to be absent)....this current version of Royals basketball is also averaging 10 less points per game than last years club & allowing 10 more points.

Clearly not statistics that will have a happy ending for anyone.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
 Christmas came early for the Royals today with their best half of ball this season in jumping out to a 17-pt lead in the 1st half and maintaining the good play to the end in downing Ursinus. Everyone seemed to play a step quicker, there was excellent 3-pt shooting(Mitch Cross 7-8; Ethan Danzig becoming the all-time leader in 3s made), 23 assists on 28 FGs, and many good pick-and-rolls. Mancuso added needed athleticism and Chris McCullough came off the injured list with his first action of the season. Truly, a refreshing change from their earlier play!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2017, 10:45:59 AM
Hallelujah!!!!! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2017, 10:57:27 PM


Mitch Cross may have just single handedly saved whatever may be left of Scranton's season.

Well done young man.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2018, 12:21:36 AM
 Royals finish strong in last 4 1/2 mins to win at Gettysburg. With a 1 point lead, Mitch Cross makes a steal and Kyle Deverna converts it into 2 made foul shots. Later, Mitch hits a 3 and 4-4 FTs. Kevin Doolan made a nice 1-on 1 drive/layup with a min to go. Players are taking it to the hoop and drawing fouls or passing for layups. Gettysburg helped by missing consecutive 1-and-1s and nearly all their shots in last 4 mins. Don't think they'll be making the Centennial playoffs this season.
  Royals did have some sloppy passing reminiscent of their play in 1st 10 games but there was good effort and communication on defense.
They also had trouble with the 6-4 245-lb Bullets post player in the paint.
  Matt Mancuso makes it fun to watch; they missed him in the 1st 10 games.
  Watched the game with my classmate, former teammate, and Les Dickman award winner, Tom Yucka. Afterwards, met Coach Danzig's dad, Hal, a former All-East player at Bucknell; thought I had seen him play in the Eastern League(when there were only 8 NBA teams and those Eastern League players were better than all but the top 100 of today's NBA) but he said that he never played there after college.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 04, 2018, 12:21:36 AM
Royals finish strong in last 4 1/2 mins to win at Gettysburg. With a 1 point lead, Mitch Cross makes a steal and Kyle Deverna converts it into 2 made foul shots. Later, Mitch hits a 3 and 4-4 FTs. Kevin Doolan made a nice 1-on 1 drive/layup with a min to go. Players are taking it to the hoop and drawing fouls or passing for layups. Gettysburg helped by missing consecutive 1-and-1s and nearly all their shots in last 4 mins. Don't think they'll be making the Centennial playoffs this season.
Royals did have some sloppy passing reminiscent of their play in 1st 10 games but there was good effort and communication on defense.
They also had trouble with the 6-4 245-lb Bullets post player in the paint.
  Matt Mancuso makes it fun to watch; they missed him in the 1st 10 games.
  Watched the game with my classmate, former teammate, and Les Dickman award winner, Tom Yucka. Afterwards, met Coach Danzig's dad, Hal, a former All-East player at Bucknell; thought I had seen him play in the Eastern League(when there were only 8 NBA teams and those Eastern League players were better than all but the top 100 of today's NBA) but he said that he never played there after college.

Yeah saw one play where they were unaware Shoot Clock had expired and a few other turnovers. Going for three in a row Saturday against Etown...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2018, 07:16:53 PM
As conference play resumes after the break and 11 nonconference games, here's my forecast after the coaches' preseason poll:

2017-18 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank   Institution (First Place)   Points
1.   Scranton (7)                    70
2.    Moravian                            45
3.    Susquehanna                    44
4.    Catholic (1)                    42
5.   Juniata                            29
6.   Drew                                 21
7.   Goucher                            12
8.   Elizabethtown                      9

Scranton         9-5
Juniata           9-5
Moravian         9-5
Catholic           8-6
Drew               8-6
Susquehanna   6-8
Elizabethtown   4-10
Goucher           3-11

Juniata should be the only team to get a Pool C bid should they not win the AQ. The AQ winner probably gets no higher than a #3 seed in their 1st round NCAA pod.
  Landmark continues their downward spiral with the 3-year dearth of high-quality players; Jay Howard(current senior) would be the most recent such player. On the positive side, this could be the most competitive season in Landmark history. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 09:47:02 PM
ronk - that's a really early prediction for Juniata being in the Pool C conversation. Even at this point, I am not sure if their resume would be worthy. I am not voting for them as of yet because their opponent's WL% is mid to low 30s... surprised me.

We shall see. If they keep rolling through the conference, that number (and thus their SOS) will come up significantly.

As for the downward spiral of the conference.... I agree... been a bit disappointing, honestly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2018, 10:32:00 PM
Regarding the Royals....

Several things jump off the stat sheet that have been repeated far too many times this season.

*Schank needs to be an option more than 5 times in any game.

*Two players played 34 minutes & 32 minutes respectively and had all of 2 points to offer.
I think it's fair to expect more from senior 4 year starters.

*Zero second chance points.

*Minimal to non-existent production from the freshman class.

Still a lot of areas to improve upon if they have any hopes of being as good on the court as their pre-season press clippings.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2018, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 05, 2018, 10:32:00 PM
Regarding the Royals....

Several things jump off the stat sheet that have been repeated far too many times this season.

*Schank needs to be an option more than 5 times in any game.

*Two players played 34 minutes & 32 minutes respectively and had all of 2 points to offer.
I think it's fair to expect more from senior 4 year starters.

*Zero second chance points.

*Minimal to non-existent production from the freshman class.

Still a lot of areas to improve upon if they have any hopes of being as good on the court as their pre-season press clippings.

They did have 7 offensive rebounds so I guess zero 2nd chance points means they didn't score after regaining possession with the offensive rebound - at least, indicates they did have some effort on the offensive boards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Ryan Traub only played 7 minutes. I wonder if he is hurt...I also wonder how the Grove is fairing.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
With 5 contending for 4 playoff spots, there will be at least 1 head-to-head  every game day. Wed it will be Moravian-Drew; Saturday: Catholic-Moravian and Juniata-Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
Congrats to Ethan Danzig on being the 43rd member of the 1,000 point club at Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
Congrats to Ethan Danzig on being the 43rd member of the 1,000 point club at Scranton.

And the 4th member of the Danzig family to do it in college(brother Ross, dad Carl, and grandfather Hal) according to the Royals' broadcaster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on January 12, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
Heading to the "holy land" aka Electric City tomorrow to see who shows up for the alumni game...Hopefully, a few guys from '76 will be there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2018, 09:22:23 PM

Safe travels spOrtsfan.

I'm more concerned with the current edition of the Royals showing up tomorrow.

Didn't exactly look energized against Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on January 12, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
Heading to the "holy land" aka Electric City tomorrow to see who shows up for the alumni game...Hopefully, a few guys from '76 will be there.

Met Phil Johnson '76 at the Scranton@Catholic Landmark women's championship game last season; he seemed to enjoy it so much that I'm guessing he'll return for the doubleheader next Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2018, 07:15:46 PM
Royals showed up. I hope Sportsfan didn't injure himself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2018, 08:09:57 PM

Good game to get out of the way today & fairly easy.

Wednesday's game will probably be last team to have possession wins as defense doesn't seem to be a point of emphasis of either the Royals or Moravian.

One game at a time.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2018, 09:28:55 PM
After 1/4 of the conference season:

Drew  4-0
Moravian 3-1
Scranton 3-1
Juniata 2-2
Catholic 2-2
Susque 2-2
E-town,Goucher 0-4

Home teams have won all the head-to-head matches of top 5

Wed: Scranton-Moravian
Sat: Scranton-Catholic, Moravian-Juniata
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on January 17, 2018, 10:19:09 AM
Ha ! The Royals alumni "pick-up" game didn't seem to sport anyone older than 25. Either that, or I'm just getting a lot older and everyone looks like a kid to me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on January 17, 2018, 10:19:09 AM
Ha ! The Royals alumni "pick-up" game didn't seem to sport anyone older than 25. Either that, or I'm just getting a lot older and everyone looks like a kid to me.

You're right about the ages. One of the 14 players was Sean Cummings who had potential but only played through his sophomore year; he would have been in the class that recently graduated. 10 of the 14 alumni were on the team when Sean was a freshman and another(Matt Swaback) was a graduate assistant with that team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2018, 09:22:07 PM
Matt Mancuso  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2018, 09:29:20 PM

That young man brought his game tonight.
As did the big Schank.
Great win (as they all are) on the road.
Next stop, DC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2018, 07:47:48 PM


The Royals were completely outmanned in every phase of the game today.

Looked the the Royals of early December when teams were laying a beating on them fairly regularly.

I haven't seen a Royals team quite like this one in some time.

When they are on, it looks like they can beat anyone & when they're off, (like today) you wonder how they could even have 8 wins.

Ronk...your assessment from courtside??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
 It looked pretty bad from wherever one was sitting. From the onset, Catholic used an effective zone which was a novel choice considering the Royals' normal long-range effectiveness. It did eliminate all the Royals' player movement and the distance shooting was usually contested, unlike what usually happens against a man-to-man defense. They had a number of bad passes in the middle of the zone, including the usually reliable Kevin Doolan with 5 TOs.
  Defensively, no one could stop Jay Howard or put a body on Riley Hayes who had 5 offensive rebounds in the 1st half, including at least 2 baskets. Hard to find any positives.

For Pat Coleman and the Cardinal fans - the renovated DuFour center was a hit with individual chair-backed seats on the main sidelines and a few rows of bleacher seating at the home end of the court. I didn't see the much-needed additional locker room facilities but President Garvey stopped by for a few words and was obviously pleased with the renovation. The only damper was the absence of students(semester break) to enhance the setting.

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2018, 12:03:04 AM
After another week of conference action:

Drew  6-0
Scranton,Catholic 4-2
Juniata,Moravian,Susque 3-3
E-town  1-5
Goucher 0-6

Only 2 road wins involving top 6 teams: Scr over Mor & Drew over Susque

Wed: Drew-Scranton; Catholic-Susque
Sat: Catholic-Juniata, Moravian-Susque

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2018, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
It looked pretty bad from wherever one was sitting. From the onset, Catholic used an effective zone which was a novel choice considering the Royals' normal long-range effectiveness. It did eliminate all the Royals' player movement and the distance shooting was usually contested, unlike what usually happens against a man-to-man defense. They had a number of bad passes in the middle of the zone, including the usually reliable Kevin Doolan with 5 TOs.
  Defensively, no one could stop Jay Howard or put a body on Riley Hayes who had 5 offensive rebounds in the 1st half, including at least 2 baskets. Hard to find any positives.

For Pat Coleman and the Cardinal fans - the renovated DuFour center was a hit with individual chair-backed seats on the main sidelines and a few rows of bleacher seating at the home end of the court. I didn't see the much-needed additional locker room facilities but President Garvey stopped by for a few words and was obviously pleased with the renovation. The only damper was the absence of students(semester break) to enhance the setting.

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I've only seen the photos, but it looks really nice. Great-looking refurb on a 33-year-old building. And repurposing those old squash courts was a great idea. I don't know when the next time is I'll be in town during the winter, but I have a kid at GW, so it could happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2018, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

There was a young boy with him at the game but he looked like a middle-schooler. Thinking afterwards, his attendance might have been related to Catholic playing @ MD 1 month ago and showing support in return. Catholic did lead the MD game for nearly all of the first half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on January 21, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
I did not think that he had any kids. I'd assume they'd probably go to play for him at Maryland
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 06:18:55 AM
Quote from: guest323 on January 21, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
I did not think that he had any kids. I'd assume they'd probably go to play for him at Maryland

According to wikipedia, he's got three children, the oldest of whom, is a senior basketball player at Gonzaga HS in DC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
Billy Donovan had a cup of coffee with the Cardinals until he transfer to Florida to play for his dad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

I told you. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

I told you. :)

I did also read it somewhere - I practice good journalism and look to multiple sources.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

I told you. :)

I did also read it somewhere - I practice good journalism and look to multiple sources.

Ryan,
Can u remember where u read it? I'd be interested if it was a link of D3 commits, for example.

Gonzaga High is a good team in what is arguably the strongest league for basketball in the country; even being a reserve on such a good team won't preclude him from making a mark in D3. Brendan Boken(Scranton-2016) was the 6th man on his high school team, but the starters were all D1 recruits; Brendan still became a D3 All-American.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 22, 2018, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

I told you. :)

I did also read it somewhere - I practice good journalism and look to multiple sources.

Ryan,
Can u remember where u read it? I'd be interested if it was a link of D3 commits, for example.

Gonzaga High is a good team in what is arguably the strongest league for basketball in the country; even being a reserve on such a good team won't preclude him from making a mark in D3. Brendan Boken(Scranton-2016) was the 6th man on his high school team, but the starters were all D1 recruits; Brendan still became a D3 All-American.

ronk - You are correct. It is an excellent league! The Philadelphia Catholic League is also garnering a lot of national prominence, but I think it is so unfair when it comes to the PIAA State Playoffs. The Philly Catholic League has "all star" teams where teams recruit big time and there are no geographical boundaries. They then play Public schools with tight geographical boundaries. It really is a joke!! Out of six classifications, the Catholic League (or "Charter " schools) win five of them......and a few championship games by 50-60 points........and then celebrate as if they've accomplished something!! It would be like the Landmark Conference First Team beating Keystone or Summit. It drives me insane!! New Jersey does it right by having state championships divided into private and public classifications. Rant over!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 22, 2018, 09:17:05 PM
Couple things for the elite minds of the LANDMARK:

I have Riley Collins in the Keeper league, so I kind of have been keeping tabs on Drew... are they actually the best team in the conference? I have been rooting for them in landmark play, sorry to the Scranton fans.

Also, wasn't Boken a CA recruit, or did he also play his HS hoops in Penn?

Here in MN there has been a lot of debate about private schools winning state championships, especially in the lower divisions (schools with smaller enrollments). Interesting that NJ separates the two into different divisions. i like that idea!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Yep, Boken played HS ball in California.

From the LA times:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/varsity-times/la-sp-vi-boys-basketball-the-journey-of-former-loyola-forward-brendan-boken-leads-to-all-america-team-20160323-story.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2018, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 22, 2018, 09:17:05 PM
Couple things for the elite minds of the LANDMARK:

I have Riley Collins in the Keeper league, so I kind of have been keeping tabs on Drew... are they actually the best team in the conference? I have been rooting for them in landmark play, sorry to the Scranton fans.

Also, wasn't Boken a CA recruit, or did he also play his HS hoops in Penn?

Here in MN there has been a lot of debate about private schools winning state championships, especially in the lower divisions (schools with smaller enrollments). Interesting that NJ separates the two into different divisions. i like that idea!

Well, Drew is 6-0 in the conference but they have to play all the better teams on the road starting Wed @ Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2018, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 22, 2018, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I believe I read somewhere that Turgeon's son will be playing for Catholic next year.

I told you. :)

I did also read it somewhere - I practice good journalism and look to multiple sources.

Ryan,
Can u remember where u read it? I'd be interested if it was a link of D3 commits, for example.

Gonzaga High is a good team in what is arguably the strongest league for basketball in the country; even being a reserve on such a good team won't preclude him from making a mark in D3. Brendan Boken(Scranton-2016) was the 6th man on his high school team, but the starters were all D1 recruits; Brendan still became a D3 All-American.

ronk - You are correct. It is an excellent league! The Philadelphia Catholic League is also garnering a lot of national prominence, but I think it is so unfair when it comes to the PIAA State Playoffs. The Philly Catholic League has "all star" teams where teams recruit big time and there are no geographical boundaries. They then play Public schools with tight geographical boundaries. It really is a joke!! Out of six classifications, the Catholic League (or "Charter " schools) win five of them......and a few championship games by 50-60 points........and then celebrate as if they've accomplished something!! It would be like the Landmark Conference First Team beating Keystone or Summit. It drives me insane!! New Jersey does it right by having state championships divided into private and public classifications. Rant over!!

Gordon- Yes, most good players in the DC area end up in the Catholic school league to the detriment of play in the public school leagues; MD and VA don't have private schools in their state playoffs so fair in that respect.
Having grown up in the Harrisburg area, I'm aware of how the private/charter/Catholic schools have affected the playoffs in football and basketball and I sympathize with those anguished by having to compete with unrestricted recruiting and/or losing players who would have played for one's public school, otherwise.
  My school(home of LeSean McCoy and Ricky Watters) didn't recruit(at that time) because it was the only Catholic school for 20 miles and parents sent their kids there for the education, not sports reasons. Still, the public school coach in my suburb lamented the fact that two or more starters each year were playing for us instead of him. This, at a time when there were separate state playoffs in basketball for public and Catholic schools and no football state playoffs and no Philly schools in either; it's gotten considerably worse now with the  combined public/private/Philly schools playoffs and the proliferation of private/charter schools, especially affecting the lower-enrollment communities.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 23, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
Spot on ronk!! One of the 2A Catholic Schools beat their counterpart from the western portion of the state, in a state final a few years ago, 90-something to 20-something. All of the games are on PCN (I don't know if that was around when you lived in PA) and this game it looked like a college team against a bunch of pre-pubscent kids. They pressed through the 3rd quarter.

Harrisburg is a bunch of wussies and fearful of a lawsuit should they press the situation and separate the Private and Public Schools. I say bring it on!! Why do the Private Schools think this is a fair arrangement and why do they think it's an accomplishment?

The stories that I could tell you about Archbishop Wood trying to steal Josh Adams (Notre Dame running back) from Central Bucks South would make you cringe....................and this comes from as close as to the source as possible!! Disgusting!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2018, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2018, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
It looked pretty bad from wherever one was sitting. From the onset, Catholic used an effective zone which was a novel choice considering the Royals' normal long-range effectiveness. It did eliminate all the Royals' player movement and the distance shooting was usually contested, unlike what usually happens against a man-to-man defense. They had a number of bad passes in the middle of the zone, including the usually reliable Kevin Doolan with 5 TOs.
  Defensively, no one could stop Jay Howard or put a body on Riley Hayes who had 5 offensive rebounds in the 1st half, including at least 2 baskets. Hard to find any positives.

For Pat Coleman and the Cardinal fans - the renovated DuFour center was a hit with individual chair-backed seats on the main sidelines and a few rows of bleacher seating at the home end of the court. I didn't see the much-needed additional locker room facilities but President Garvey stopped by for a few words and was obviously pleased with the renovation. The only damper was the absence of students(semester break) to enhance the setting.

Face in the "crowd":  Mark Turgeon, HC-U of MD taking in a D3 contest

I've only seen the photos, but it looks really nice. Great-looking refurb on a 33-year-old building. And repurposing those old squash courts was a great idea. I don't know when the next time is I'll be in town during the winter, but I have a kid at GW, so it could happen.

They did a really nice job--I saw it for the first time 2 weeks ago.  The new lighting alone makes a big difference.   Enjoyed the expanded scoreboard and the seats.  It would be fun to see the place filled up--they lost some "capacity" with the conversion to seats but it isn't like they needed it. 

Nice road win tonight for the Cards---defense is finally clicking. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:36:05 AM
Can't wait to see CUA at the Decker SRC. The Cardinals are going to go .. down!

Oh...

... wait ...

... sorry ...

... thought it was 1997 ... my bad.

So... um... look forward to seeing Jay Howard play one more time with myself behind the mic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2018, 01:05:35 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 22, 2018, 09:17:05 PM
Couple things for the elite minds of the LANDMARK:

I have Riley Collins in the Keeper league, so I kind of have been keeping tabs on Drew... are they actually the best team in the conference? I have been rooting for them in landmark play, sorry to the Scranton fans.

Also, wasn't Boken a CA recruit, or did he also play his HS hoops in Penn?

Here in MN there has been a lot of debate about private schools winning state championships, especially in the lower divisions (schools with smaller enrollments). Interesting that NJ separates the two into different divisions. i like that idea!

ya jinxed them. Scranton knocks off drew giving them their first L in the conference. Joint was jumping for an intersession game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
Scranton exploded in the second half... I said to someone, it was like they finally woke up! Unreal watching that game progress.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
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There is also a coach who is doing her best to help those with communications challenges, working on diversity and inclusion, all while leading Gallaudet to bigger and better results. Stephanie Stevens is this week's WBCA Center Court guest and will talk about what drew her to the deaf and hard of hearing university and what else keeps her busy off the basketball court. Stevens was a recent honoree of the WBCA Thirty Under 30.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
Scranton exploded in the second half... I said to someone, it was like they finally woke up! Unreal watching that game progress.

Yes, Scranton had 5 turnovers and 1 shot in the first 2 1/2 mins of the 2nd half, then went from down 11 to winning by 11; a very schizo performance. It encapsulates the season, although they've won 7 of 8 since their most athletic player, Matt Mancuso, returned to action.
  Riley Collins for Drew looks like a good player; they could use some frontcourt help, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2018, 01:32:16 AM
After another week of conference action:

Congrats to Scranton on winning 2500th(combined with women's victories) game today

Drew  7-1
Scranton  6-2
Catholic,Juniata,Moravian  5-3
Susque 3-5
E-town  1-7
Goucher 0-8

Only 4 road wins involving top 6 teams: Scr over Mor & Drew, Moravian, & Catholic over Susque

Big games this coming week:

Wed: Moravian-Scranton
Sat: Scranton-Juniata, Catholic-Drew

If top 6 home teams win out, the projected final standings would be:

Drew,Scranton,Catholic  10-4
Juniata,Moravian  9-5
Susque 6-8
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2018, 01:57:15 PM
For fans of the message board's favorite Landmark Conference team...

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2017-18/scranton-royals-rebound
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 31, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 31, 2018, 01:57:15 PM
For fans of the message board's favorite Landmark Conference team...

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2017-18/scranton-royals-rebound

Since this is the de facto Scranton board (vs. Landmark Conference board).......................the board's fans will be quite thriiled!! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
 As evidence that this board isn't exclusively Scranton, I will say that there was a story last week concerning Steve Howes becoming the winningest Catholic U men's basketball coach and some highlights from his career. http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180123hi1mlc
Congrats to Steve! - I coached him in youth baseball 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 31, 2018, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
As evidence that this board isn't exclusively Scranton, I will say that there was a story last week concerning Steve Howes becoming the winningest Catholic U men's basketball coach and some highlights from his career. http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180123hi1mlc
Congrats to Steve! - I coached him in youth baseball 30 years ago.

Not exclusively.......................primarily ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2018, 09:04:14 AM
way to jinx the royals boys...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
 Moravian's play had more to do with it.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2018, 07:07:07 PM


The Royals had another 20 turnovers today at home while Juniata had 6.

Royals lose by 3...think their incessant putrid care of the ball had anything to do with the outcome?

So much for senior leadership.

Stick a fork in them, this version of Royal basketball is done!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2018, 11:35:45 PM
After another week of conference action:

With 4 games left in the season:

Drew  9-1
Juniata,Moravian  7-3
Scranton,Catholic  6-4
Susque  4-6
E-town  1-9
Goucher  0-10


Big games this coming week:

Wed: Scranton-Drew
Sat: Juniata-Moravian, Catholic-Scranton

If top 6 home teams win out, the projected final standings would be:

Drew  11-3
Juniata,Moravian  10-4
Catholic  9-5
Scranton  8-6
Susque 6-8
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 04, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Who are your picks?

POY?
COY?
Newcomer?
DPOY?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2018, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: guest323 on February 04, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Who are your picks?

POY?
COY?
Newcomer?
DPOY?

Too early by 3 weeks; let's wait until the AQ is determined.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2018, 02:22:25 AM
Let me try this Coach of the year: Carl Danzing lol.Defensive player of the year:No one from Scranton not one can defend out of them.Newcomer well Danzing don't play newcomers unless Danzing is there last name and Player of the year anyone who eat up Scrantons terrible defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
Don't post drunk. Just be happy we aren't Goucher!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2018, 10:13:35 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
Don't post drunk. Just be happy we aren't Goucher!

Ouch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Seriously? Sounds as classy as a couple of Susquehanna fans (I think students) at the game Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2018, 11:09:09 AM
Dave,

They are 0-20 , it is what it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
Yes. They are 0-20. So be it. I don't think a comment is necessary. I have seen a lot of 0-for teams in my lifetime. I never resort to making comments in light of them. Maybe I am sensitive because I am close, but if Scranton was in the same boat I am quite sure there would be an uproar from anyone who made a similar comment towards the Royals.

And yeah, I am a little more keen to the comments after a few Susquehanna students at the game Saturday seemed to forget their team is struggling this year as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2018, 05:07:35 PM
Not posting drunk JUST FACTS and as far as the 0- 20 comment.Scranton has been there Danzings second year 4-20 Oh what a year.Dave you might get your first win of the year the last game of the season.Good luck I feel your pain as a Scranton gan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
fan
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
FYI: http://athletics.goucher.edu/general/2017-18/releases/20180205lh4uc9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
Rofrog...you want to compare scranton to goucher? Really?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
NOT comparing I said Scranton was down that road before.Nepafan Scranton is not as Great as you think my friend your talking about one and done in the Ncaa tournament.Danzing is not the answer  for Scranton.Last time Scranton even came close to being in the final four was when Ronald Reagan was President this coach is not even close or will he be.At the end of the day 0-20 or 10-12they are both staying home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2018, 01:17:30 PM
Right except when they were in the elite 8 in 2012. That doesn't count?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2018, 07:47:54 PM
Um Bessiors team
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2018, 07:50:59 PM
it was bessiors team in 2002 and in 2012 when t
Travis Farrell hit that 3 pointer in Middlebury.Besides that what has he done.Danzing in 15 years might have a nice record but Championships are alot better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2018, 09:24:44 PM
11 years later and it is bestirs team? How does that work?

Let me guess you would have rather hired JP...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2018, 11:31:36 PM
Nepafan 2002 was Bessiors team.2012 was Danzings team ask yourself this what have you done for me lately.Jp wasn't the answer we got stuck with Danzing because Toby didn t look anywhere else.Im sure there better candidates at that time but we had an AD that hired his friend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2018, 09:52:18 AM
Okay i am never going to win this argument. :)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
 Nepafan not trying to argue.As a longtime fan of Royals and Lady Royals basketball I'm very  disappointed in Danzing as is alot of fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 06:42:10 PM
Susquehanna upsets Catholic 75-70.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2018, 09:26:22 PM
Can't really say the Royals "upset" Drew since they:

A. Match up well and

B. They were the hands down pick to win the whole Landmark enchilada anyway.

Perhaps the guys have one more little run left in them over their last 3 games???

Every game is huge at this point of the season...good road win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 10:51:37 PM
I'd still call it an upset when Drew has the lead in the conference and Scranton has shown they have struggled this season with about .500 record.

Yes, Scranton matchs up well, but I'd still call that an upset, especially since it was a win AT Drew this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 08, 2018, 11:45:41 PM
Saratoga: I call it a PUSH  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 08, 2018, 11:45:41 PM
Saratoga: I call it a PUSH  ;D

Ha. That works. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2018, 09:14:57 PM
Rofrog....

Push it will be.

Just can't remember the year it was when the Royals had their last 'push' fast break??

Maybe when Randy Arnold was running the point?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Just notice that today's Royals' twinbill has a different starting time - men @ 1, women, approximately 3:30.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2018, 06:06:29 PM

There are bad losses & then there are truly really, really bad losses.

Today, the Royal's mastered the latter.

From predicted conference champion to more than likely not even making it into the conference playoffs, this season, with all its hype, will end up being nothing more than an emphatic dud.

Danzig better have the recruiting year of his career because the last two have been less than contributing factors to the win column.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2018, 06:24:56 PM
Saratoga:They had a 17 point lead (smh).This team lost one player from last year ONE!They had everything coming back ,man did Danzing and this team choke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2018, 06:47:58 PM
 Royals' unforced errors contributed significantly to the loss today. With 1:24 left in 1st half, the Royals had the ball with the opportunity to
2 have 2 shots vs 1 for Catholic. Instead, they commit an illegal screen TO; seconds later, after an exchange they double team the PG who is no threat to score, allowing him to pass to someone who can and did hit a 3.
  In the 2nd half, they commit a technical, giving Catholic 2 more made foul shots. That makes 3 techs in the last few weeks, all on different players. They need to have better composure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2018, 06:58:28 PM

With 2 games left in the season:

Drew,Moravian  9-3
Juniata  8-4
Scranton,Catholic  7-5
Susque  6-6
E-town  2-10
Goucher  0-12


Big games this coming week:

All are big since E-town doesn't play Goucher


my projected final standings would be:

Moravian 11-3
Juniata 10-4
Scranton,Drew  9-5
Catholic  8-6
Susque 7-7
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2018, 07:02:37 PM
Ronk:

Unforced turnovers have been the story of this team throughout the year.

Not the way it's supposed to be with a senior backcourt & the experience they brought back.

Absolutely correct on the T's.....the wheels of this bus are coming off in multiple directions.

Usually we fall behind by 20 & then try for the comeback.

Nice to see we have some versatility and can also blow 20 point leads.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
Ronk:Technical foul was stupid and that was a senior who got called for it.I blame it on poor coaching!This is what happens when there is no discipline for there actions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
Mancuso and DeVerna. Two duds? I think not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 10, 2018, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2018, 06:58:28 PM

With 2 games left in the season:

Drew,Moravian  9-3
Juniata  8-4
Scranton,Catholic  7-5
Susque  6-6
E-town  2-10
Goucher  0-12


Big games this coming week:

All are big since E-town doesn't play Goucher


my projected final standings would be:

Moravian 11-3
Juniata 10-4
Scranton,Drew  9-5
Catholic  8-6
Susque 7-7
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14

You have Drew losing the remaining 2??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
Nepafan if Mancuso can keep his temper down he would be a great player.I like Deverna (needs to shoot more)Mancuso nice player but some problems and it shows in games when he gets frustrated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2018, 11:24:01 PM


NEPA:

I never said those kids were "duds', I said the season will end up a dud.

Big difference.

Let's look at his last 3 classes....

Junior class...1 player, plays every now & then. Got time when Mancuso was out.
Where is the rest of that class?

Soph. class...2 very good players as you've mentioned but 4 kids that sit the pine game after game.

Freshman class...4 kids, two of which may get a mopup minute every other game while the other two wait to hear their names called.

As I see it, not the most productive backfilling of kids coming in ready to play.
In fairness, one freshman player would have certainly contributed this season but a torn ACL ended that.

Just hoping that he brings in a talented class because of those returning, with the exception of those that currently start, they simply do not have any real in-game experience to their credit nor was there much of an apparent attempt at developing it throughout the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2018, 11:29:57 PM
If Jay Howard played for Scranton this Board will be lit up every game with updates and analysis...just sayin'.

I don't think there has been a more dominant offensive season by any player in Landmark history, and he's doing it while getting doubled all the time. 

Going to come down to the wire, should be an interesting week!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2018, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 10, 2018, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2018, 06:58:28 PM

With 2 games left in the season:

Drew,Moravian  9-3
Juniata  8-4
Scranton,Catholic  7-5
Susque  6-6
E-town  2-10
Goucher  0-12


Big games this coming week:

All are big since E-town doesn't play Goucher


my projected final standings would be:

Moravian 11-3
Juniata 10-4
Scranton,Drew  9-5
Catholic  8-6
Susque 7-7
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14

You have Drew losing the remaining 2??

Yes, on the road @ Moravian and Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 11, 2018, 01:27:41 AM
Anyone have the playoff scenarios?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2018, 01:31:37 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2018, 11:29:57 PM
If Jay Howard played for Scranton this Board will be lit up every game with updates and analysis...just sayin'.

I don't think there has been a more dominant offensive season by any player in Landmark history, and he's doing it while getting doubled all the time. 

Going to come down to the wire, should be an interesting week!

Matt,
Good to hear from u now that another government shutdown has been averted.  ;)
I did say that Jay Howard was the most recent quality player to come into the conference as a way of describing the 3-year(and counting) drought that has befallen the Landmark.
Brendan Boken had comparable offensive stats to Howard; Howard wasn't doubled in either Scranton game; maybe, they should have instead of guarding Hartman.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2018, 01:36:40 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 11, 2018, 01:27:41 AM
Anyone have the playoff scenarios?

Too tough to analyze now with 2 games to go and the teams bunched; there will probably be ties with tie-breakers needed; I'll give it a shot after Wednesday's games are decided.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2018, 08:02:22 AM

Matt:

Regarding Jay Howard...an absolutely fantastic player.
Too bad there aren't more CUA fans on here any longer to discuss some of the things he's accomplished game in & game out.

Why he wasn't double teamed with Mancuso in front & Schank behind him to even make an entry pass to him difficult is something the Royal braintrust can think about for the next several months.

Just like in baseball when player X is killing your team & the winning run is on second and first base is open, you make someone else beat you.
If Howard then kicks it out & someone else drains a 20' jumper, tip your cap & move on.
However, leaving him get a pass in that low one on one...goodnight & travel home safely.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2018, 08:14:34 AM
Toga. That's what happens when I post DRUNK lol. I don't mind Mancusos emotion wish they were all that fired up.

I think Geneasivch might work out..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
Scenarios where the Royals would make the conference playoffs:

win final 2 games AND:

Drew loses 2 OR Juniata loses 2 OR Catholic loses at least 1 OR Moravian loses 2 (with Drew being 1st seed)

OR

win 1

AND Catholic loses 2(with Drew being the 1st seed)

OR Susquehanna is the 1 win
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2018, 07:45:21 PM

Ronk:

Or....the Royals can think of all the lackluster, turnover prone, lack of production games played with no emotion & send the uniforms out for dry-cleaning.

NEPA:

Fully understand, been there/done that.  ;)
I also agree on Mancuso...wish some of that raw emotion rubbed off on his teammates.
He needs to channel it a bit more productively & leave brick walls alone & once he masters that, he'll be fine.
If he doesn't, he'll be known as the kid with a temper that never quite figured it out.
I'd suggest a long chat with zen master Bessior and a few yoga classes & he'll be in a much better place.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2018, 08:02:05 PM
Ronk:I don't see Scranton winning two especially at Susquehanna.Frankie l would have no problem being the spoiler.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:03:52 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2018, 02:53:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=b1J4Cyn0HXE

Good interview with Shank.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
With 1 game left in the season:

Moravian  10-3
Drew,Juniata  9-4
Scranton,Catholic  8-5
Susque  6-7
E-town  2-11
Goucher  0-13


Big games this coming week:

All except E-town-Susquehanna

my projected final standings would be:

Moravian 11-3
Juniata 10-4
Scranton,Drew  9-5
Catholic  8-6
Susque 7-7
E-town  2-12
Goucher 0-14

Scranton gets a playoff berth by

winning @ Goucher AND
Catholic loses to Moravian

Scranton is out in a 3-way tie @ 9-5 with Drew and Catholic by a tiebreaker versus Juniata(1st) over Moravian(2nd) @ 10-4
  OR by losing @ Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2018, 07:07:21 PM


Although the Royals have had their share of bad losses this season with none more painful than last weeks loss to Catholic after leading by 18 in the second half, last nights game proved to be a great win on the road.

The only question that remains to be answered.....is it a little too little, too late??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:29:54 AM
I'm confused, who needs to lose for who to get in and who will get what seed etc?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2018, 01:38:40 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:29:54 AM
I'm confused, who needs to lose for who to get in and who will get what seed etc?

It's in this from the Landmark conference

http://landmarkconference.org/championships/BBALL_Scenarios.pdf
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 17, 2018, 01:38:40 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:29:54 AM
I'm confused, who needs to lose for who to get in and who will get what seed etc?

It's in this from the Landmark conference

http://landmarkconference.org/championships/BBALL_Scenarios.pdf

Still a little confused, so catholic must win to get into the conference tournament? Or IF goucher shocked the world and won then what?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2018, 08:49:09 AM


The Royals have no option other than to win at Goucher.

Even with a win there, which is no sure thing (please refer to Scranton's last visit), the Royals will need some help.

The other team you are rooting for should you be a UofS fan is Moravian.

The dust will settle around 3:30 & the snow will start shortly after that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2018, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 17, 2018, 01:38:40 AM
Quote from: guest323 on February 17, 2018, 01:29:54 AM
I'm confused, who needs to lose for who to get in and who will get what seed etc?

It's in this from the Landmark conference

http://landmarkconference.org/championships/BBALL_Scenarios.pdf

Still a little confused, so catholic must win to get into the conference tournament? Or IF goucher shocked the world and won then what?

If  (1)Goucher  or (2)Catholic win, Catholic would be #4 seed and in the tourney;

(1) Scranton would be 8-6, Catholic either 9-5 or 8-6 and wins tiebreaker,if needed, being 2-0 against Scranton in head-to-head
(2) Catholic is 9-5, Scranton is either 9-5 or 8-6 and loses that tiebreaker to Catholic

If a 3-way tie @ 9-5(Scranton,Catholic,Drew),Scranton by tiebreaker is out because of being  0-2 against Juniata. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 03:36:13 PM
even though we beat drew twice?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 03:57:31 PM
Well Scranton looks to be out after the 3 pointer by Catholic with 4 seconds left to win!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 04:07:21 PM
Just a question why would you call a time out with 4 seconds left and your leading after a blocked shot and the p
other team had zero timeouts.To me that was just stupid by Moravian to call that timeout don't let them set up a play.smh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
Mind you under Catholics basket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 17, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
So Scranton is out???

I don't know what would have been more believable :

The 8-8 (per Vegas) Eagles overcoming season ending injuries to seven starters, including the MVP QB...........and winning three straight playoff games, as underdogs (including against the Evil Empire) and winning their first Super Bowl / fourth championship OR Scranton not being in the Top Four in the Landmark Conference.

I would have never believed either in a million years...........and that's why I don't gamble (I just trade equities, commodities, futures and a little bit of cryptocurrency for a living ;) )

I know the Eagles actually won.........I'm not sure I trust this Rofrog character...........so off to the Landmark website for validation on the other!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
Jmz character trust me SCRANTON IS OUT!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
Maybe if Scranton won a couple games that they had at home(Juniata lost by 3 after being up)Catholic up by 18 at home mind you lost by 2) Look back at them two games that is where this team lost it mind you losing to Moravian at home.One thing you need to take care of your home games bottom line 🤓
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2018, 07:24:56 PM
Congratulations goes out to the four teams that made the conference tourney:Juniata,Moravian,Drew and Catholic one of you will represent the Landmark in the Ncaa best of luck from a Scranton fan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
REALLY well designed play that Catholic ran out of that final timeout to free up Jimmy G.  Ball goes into Howard who the defense starts to key in on and then Jimmy curls right around his screen.  Granted, it was a long 3 so extra props to him for hitting hit.

Catholic posted a minute long clip of the end here:

http://www.catholicathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180217rv6xic

Feels wide open for the championship, should be some good games next week.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 04, 2018, 07:16:53 PM
As conference play resumes after the break and 11 nonconference games, here's my forecast after the coaches' preseason poll:

2017-18 Landmark Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank   Institution (First Place)   Points
1.   Scranton (7)                    70
2.    Moravian                            45
3.    Susquehanna                    44
4.    Catholic (1)                    42
5.   Juniata                            29
6.   Drew                                 21
7.   Goucher                            12
8.   Elizabethtown                      9

Scranton         9-5
Juniata           9-5
Moravian         9-5
Catholic           8-6
Drew               8-6
Susquehanna   6-8
Elizabethtown   4-10
Goucher           3-11

Juniata should be the only team to get a Pool C bid should they not win the AQ. The AQ winner probably gets no higher than a #3 seed in their 1st round NCAA pod.
  Landmark continues their downward spiral with the 3-year dearth of high-quality players; Jay Howard(current senior) would be the most recent such player. On the positive side, this could be the most competitive season in Landmark history.

Now that the regular season has concluded, post-mortem analysis confirms my prediction that it could be the most competitive season in Landmark history; the top 5 were within 1 game of each other and the 6th place team(Susquehanna) won at least 3 games from the top 5. In addition, my order of finish differed from the actual by no more than 1/2 point for 7(all but Scranton) of the 8 teams while the coaches' poll did so for only 2(Moravian,Catholic) of the 8.
   Looks like Drew plays @ Moravian and Catholic @ Juniata in the semis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2018, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
Catholic posted a minute long clip of the end here:

http://www.catholicathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180217rv6xic

Oh good. At least they had one camera which followed the action!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 01:32:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2018, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
Catholic posted a minute long clip of the end here:

http://www.catholicathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180217rv6xic

Oh good. At least they had one camera which followed the action!

Ha. I didn't even go and look at the link shared because I just assumed since I noticed the lack of attention on the final shot... they wouldn't have it. Well then. Someone was doing their job. Good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2018, 03:03:18 PM
Thanks for 4 good years to the royals seniors. at least Goucher didn't beat us. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:45:17 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
Down to two teams one will represent the Landmark!Good luck to  whoever represents the Landmark.Represent well and get by the first round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2018, 01:02:40 PM
Sorry to see my Cardinals not advance, and for Jay Howard's last game to feature an injury and a tooth knocked out, but what an amazing career at Catholic.

He finishes as the all time Landmark Conference scoring leader, with 2,122 points.  That's also good for 3rd in Catholic history, and 14th in DC-Maryland-Virginia collegiate history.  It was a pleasure watching him play and get better every year, I hope he can continue to play at the next level.  The Cardinal's Bryson Fonville had a stint in the NBA G League and played in Asia.

Good luck to the remaining two teams.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2018, 09:33:23 AM


Wow....finally got a chance to make a comment.

All those Juniata & Moravian posters have had this site blocked for days heading in to todays big game.

I agree Matt...Jay Howard was an outstanding talent for Catholic for what seemed like about 8 years.

I don't think he ever had a bad one against Scranton, that's for sure.

Glad he's finally ready for graduation!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 24, 2018, 04:08:42 PM
Congrats to Moravian - should be preseason #1 in the Landmark next season returning more scoring than any team in conference - maybe ETown returns more?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 24, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2018, 09:33:23 AM


Wow....finally got a chance to make a comment.

All those Juniata & Moravian posters have had this site blocked for days heading in to todays big game.

I agree Matt...Jay Howard was an outstanding talent for Catholic for what seemed like about 8 years.

I don't think he ever had a bad one against Scranton, that's for sure.

Glad he's finally ready for graduation!  ;)

They would argue that they have better things to do...................snob-wannabees! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
wait , there is something better to do in Huntingdon, Pa??

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 26, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
wait , there is something better to do in Huntingdon, Pa??

They could visit Steamtown and Montage in Scranton instead. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 28, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
Good luck to Moravian:You will need it if you get by Ramapo you will most likely face Williams(Not an easy place for a W).On another note Bob Casey went to  Scranton prep and playing at Williams (Nice player)Did Danzing try to recruit him?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2018, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 28, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
Good luck to Moravian:You will need it if you get by Ramapo you will most likely face Williams(Not an easy place for a W).On another note Bob Casey went to  Scranton prep and playing at Williams (Nice player)Did Danzing try to recruit him?

I thought I heard Danzig say a while ago that Casey use to attend Carl's basketball camps, so I imagine he was recruited, just chose Williams instead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
bodes well for Logan Bailey....last couple of prep  kids have been playing well in college.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 06, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
Ursinus had Matt Knowles----outstanding young man who had a great career with the Bears in spite of two knee surgeries.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 19, 2018, 07:11:03 PM
Nice article on Danzigs son. Jackson in the paper and his future plans.He said he plans on attending  the University of Scranton.Great addition to the team man what a pick up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 19, 2018, 07:11:03 PM
Nice article on Danzigs son. Jackson in the paper and his future plans.He said he plans on attending  the University of Scranton.Great addition to the team man what a pick up.

That would be huge for them.  When I talked to Carl a few years ago (Ross's senior year), he said his youngest son was probably the best basketball player and he wasn't counting on Scranton getting him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2018, 08:13:46 PM
Great news!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 19, 2018, 11:53:42 PM
Abington heights going  to Hershey,they won tonight 56-51.The kid scored 38 pts last time out.The kid is supposedly better then Ross.Might take a trip down 81 south to see them play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 27, 2018, 09:52:40 PM
 Congratulations to Abington heights and Jackson. Danzing on winningbstate championship tonight.Man does the future looks good for the royal.One of the Carmody boys from Mars is going to Notre Dame But great job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2018, 09:02:37 AM
Hey Ro:

Too early to start recruiting Tinsley? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 28, 2018, 12:33:08 PM
Nepafan maybe he will follow Danzng .They have a nice team.Carmody boy had 34 pts (Notre Dame recruit).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 11, 2018, 11:07:37 AM
Schedules, Transfers, Recruits???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 11, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
Hi,

I have followed Scranton basketball and d3hoops.com for a while but this is my first time posting.  I am an alumnus of "da U" and used to work in admissions there.

Besides the aforementioned Jackson Danzig, I am aware of "commitments" from Seneca NJ, Binghamton NY and Ledyard CT.  Don't much about them, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 11, 2018, 08:26:05 PM
 Haven't heard previously about the Ledyard, CT commit, although there was interest in a women's prospect from there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 12, 2018, 09:49:49 AM
I don't know much about him either so I don't know where he stands.  Hence me using commitments (in quotes) and not recruits...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 12, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
Welcome to the Scranton , I mean Landmark Board. haha.

I think they'll have a large class this year based on "commtiments"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 25, 2018, 04:50:54 PM
When I was in high school, we played Ledyard as a conference foe. I see they are still the Colonels. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 25, 2018, 05:26:48 PM
 No promotion in 30 years?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 15, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
Interesting.  A commitment to Scranton for next fall already:

https://twitter.com/RyanEms12

If he can A) get into Scranton's PT program; and B) stay healthy, he looks like he might be a good get for Danzig.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 15, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on July 15, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
Interesting.  A commitment to Scranton for next fall already:

https://twitter.com/RyanEms12

If he can A) get into Scranton's PT program; and B) stay healthy, he looks like he might be a good get for Danzig.

thanks for the find - I had missed the tweet from Scranton Basketball on Jul 12 that it was a great day to be a Royal; in the twitter segments, there's also a few secs of video of the Long Center renovation in progress from July 3;
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 13, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
 Here's the announcement of Scranton's incoming class:

http://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20180813njsnoj

In addition, Logan Bailey will be a newcomer this season after not playing his frosh year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 14, 2018, 09:06:30 PM

Wonder what happened to Ryan Ems who tweeted back on July 12 he was going to be a Royal???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 14, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
He's class of 2019, so he wouldn't be until next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 15, 2018, 06:18:36 PM

Ok, thanks.

Guess we got a jump start on the "Early Signing" period.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 16, 2018, 06:49:20 PM

Not the most positive of news coming out of Goucher today.

Honestly can't understand how you can have a true liberal arts degree without any math, art or or other humanities currently being considered for the ax.

Maybe getting ready for a football addition (no pun intended)??

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/higher-ed/bs-md-goucher-majors-eliminated-20180815-story.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 16, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
I wouldn't read too much into it. Got a letter from the president. I trust where they are headed. They didn't just make this decision without a lot of soul searching. I think some of what is being considered to be cut are items that aren't even being utilized anyway. If the students aren't taking the classes or interested in the major, makes it hard to keep resources dedicated to all of it.

That all said, I plan to watch carefully. They are doing a lot on campus to improve and move into more modern times - including the athletic department.

And despite the pun ... football isn't coming to the school. What they are doing with athletics including the equestrian program (insane upgrades) are much needed. I look forward to seeing the direction it's headed in and how it results.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 16, 2018, 11:04:45 PM
  I was fearing the beginning of the end of the conference of like-minded institutions.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 16, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
Not sure how you got that out of the article. Schools adjust their majors often especially in this day in age when finances are tighter than they ever have been. Goucher is also trying to focus more on the future and getting students on campus that will help it grow ... doesn't mean they have changed their "like minded ness" or suddenly are turning into a state college or something.

And we are seeing a more entrenching of "like-minded institutions" these days than anything. Just ask the AEC and the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 16, 2018, 11:25:40 PM
 There's 2:39 of Royals basketball video of their recent trip to Ireland on the team web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 18, 2018, 11:21:43 AM
Good to see Logan Bailey healthy and taking it to the rim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 09, 2018, 07:34:10 PM
 Today, in Catholic churches around the country, was the annual special collection for Catholic University; on the envelope for that donation was the message that high school seniors who were recommended by their pastor to Catholic U would receive a $3K scholarship, renewable annually. That's a nice incentive for anyone with CUA among their prospective considerations. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2018, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 09, 2018, 07:34:10 PM
Today, in Catholic churches around the country, was the annual special collection for Catholic University; on the envelope for that donation was the message that high school seniors who were recommended by their pastor to Catholic U would receive a $3K scholarship, renewable annually. That's a nice incentive for anyone with CUA among their prospective considerations.

Ironically, our parish doesn't participate, and hasn't in the decade since we moved back to Minneapolis. We did in the 1980s, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 02, 2018, 03:03:04 PM
Scranton has posted their roster.  Vitkus is not on it:

http://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster?view=list
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 02, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Just came to post the same thing , Tim. Who do you think sees the starting lineup with the 2 returners?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 02, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
My guess is that Danzig is a lock.  Maybe Bailey.  Who knows if any other newcomers are ready to step up. 

And then it depends on whether he wants to go big (Genasevich?) or small (Connelly?). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2018, 02:33:18 AM
 Catholic is playing GW Sunday; last year they hung with MD into the 2nd half. Catholic women will be playing Navy in November.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2018, 07:49:35 PM
Catholic falls to GW 69-64(34-31 @ halftime); Jimmy Golaszewski leads Catholic with 28 points. Mark Turgeon's son, Will, adds 6 points in 20 mins of action.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 27, 2018, 02:33:18 AM
Catholic is playing GW Sunday; last year they hung with MD into the 2nd half. Catholic women will be playing Navy in November.

Yeah, though the Maryland game was in mid-December last year.

Good of CUA to hang with GW, but not sure what to make of it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
Lackawanna College vs Scranton at the U on Saturday at 3. Not sure if anyone is going to be in the building. Brian Coyle the Head Coach at Lackawanna used to be the Asst. at Scranton. Hopefully someone can provide a game report...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2018, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
Lackawanna College vs Scranton at the U on Saturday at 3. Not sure if anyone is going to be in the building. Brian Coyle the Head Coach at Lackawanna used to be the Asst. at Scranton. Hopefully someone can provide a game report...

Yes, I understand the women will be doing the same next week; don't see the rationale for scrimmaging a JC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2018, 11:47:23 PM
My preseason forecast:

1. Moravian
2. Drew
3. Scranton,Catholic,E-town  tie
6. Juniata,Susquehanna   tie
8. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on November 04, 2018, 09:56:05 PM
My guess:

1. Moravian
2. Drew
3. Scranton
4. Catholic
5. E-Town
6. Susquehanna
7. Juniata
8. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 05, 2018, 07:04:03 PM

I have a hard time seeing a young team at Scranton playing defense seriously enough to make a difference.

Also, no true point & concerns about muscle on the boards.

Probably another year of bombs away basketball.

*Moravian
*Drew
*Catholic
*E-town
*Susquehanna
*Scranton/Juniata
*Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 05, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
Moravian
Catholic
Scranton
Susquehanna
Drew
Juniata
Goucher (24 game losing streak)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2018, 09:10:56 PM
 Royals open with a win @ Stevenson 86-65. Started 2 juniors, 3 frosh. No PG, Jackson Danzig was a point wing, instead. Played quickly in transition. Motion offense is faster than past years; lots of driving before shooting or passing. No beef in the front court - defensive rebounding will be a concern. Logan Bailey has ability to make plays, but 6 turnovers. Jack Brockett is pesky on defense - quick hands and feet.
Royals will be enjoyable to watch this season but there will be growing pains with all the youth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Saw a replay of the game. Brocket was energetic, drew multiple offensive charges. But why wasn't he playing point? Also saw the write up on the season preview maybe I'm reading too much into it but sounds like their may have been sent.poor attitudes contributing to last year's issues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 11, 2018, 08:25:40 AM
My thoughts on the Scranton game last night:

1)  The three freshmen brought a lot of energy; they're not afraid to take risks (sometimes too many!)
2)  They gave up too many offensive rebounds.
3)  DeVerna's defense toward the end of the first half seemed to wake up the team.
4)  Mancuso took over the game on both ends in the second half.
5)  Bench line (mostly Connelly) was only 34 minutes, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 fouls.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2018, 09:03:02 AM

Any win, especially on the road, is a great way to start the season.

That said, the Royals will need a lot to go right for them all year if they want to gain some extra games in late February.

With essentially no senior or soph. contributing players, the freshmen will need to grow into their roles and slow the game down a little to reduce the unforced turnovers.

Mancuso needs to stay out of foul trouble but this is much easier said than done due to the aggressive nature of his game. If he ever picks up 2 quick fouls, I just wonder who they have to come off the bench & bang down in the post & give them quality minutes, points & rebounds.

The other bigs brought in that are now soph's look like they'd rather be playing outside as opposed to their backs to the basket.

Scranton has had thin benches & little used bench players before but this years team looks especially lacking and vulnerable in the depth department.

Hoping the kids continue to develop & mature and most importantly, stay healthy.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
Watched a little of Moravian lose to Willy Pat. 0-2 on the season, I think the two teams combined for 60 turnovers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2018, 01:00:45 AM
 Royals looked even better tonite vs Hartwick with the addition of 1st-year Ben Bosland than the season opener @ Stevenson(where they looked good) but Ben was held out of action. Ben sees the whole court and makes passes that others can't imagine while at the same time playing under control while the options are developing. The Long Center will be rocking this year with the uptempo offense, passing, and unselfish play. The team defense is quick such that any 1 defender might get beat but someone will move to help out.
  Sure, they haven't beaten any good teams yet, they will struggle on the defensive board with most teams, and Matt Mancuso will have to avoid silly fouls(3 tonite), but I haven't been this enthused since the championship years of '83, '76, and the season when Gene the Machine Mumford and his frosh team opened the Long Center in the late 60s.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2018, 08:16:32 PM
24 fast break points today, who are these guys? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 18, 2018, 11:30:21 PM
I love this type of game up tempo,Some excitement in the long center to come.So when was the last time the Royals had 3 freshman start,I'm not sure was it 80 Banas,Kosin and Hutchison,Jones was a freshman not sure if he started but it is truly a pleasure watching this team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2018, 07:41:10 PM

Dear Santa,

Please have the UofS get Dean & chatty Harry real mics for broadcasting games asap.

Sorry guys, I know you're trying but it sounds like your broadcasting from a U-boat off the coast of Argentina.

Technical support is sorely needed...you're just making noise.

By the way, when you think you're on a commercial break & you're talking...it's coming through.

Maybe someone back in the control room can hit mute till the commercial's over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2018, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 20, 2018, 07:41:10 PM

Dear Santa,

Please have the UofS get Dean & chatty Harry real mics for broadcasting games asap.

Sorry guys, I know you're trying but it sounds like your broadcasting from a U-boat off the coast of Argentina.

Technical support is sorely needed...you're just making noise.

By the way, when you think you're on a commercial break & you're talking...it's coming through.

Maybe someone back in the control room can hit mute till the commercial's over.

Knowing their setup, there must be something wrong with their set-up other than the mics... because they have good mics.

As for the mute .. yeah, that's back at "home base." Brought that up to Dean before. Sad to hear it continues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2018, 09:49:39 AM
Just to clarify, there were no commercials yesterday as the game wasn't on the radio. Hence the increased conversation during down time.

Meanwhile, 4-0  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 26, 2018, 10:27:35 PM

The boys are still broadcasting from the U- boat in Argentina & still talking through commercials.

It really shouldn't be this messed up after doing this about 15 years.

Regardless, Lady Royals win a big game and the UofS men actually have a few nuggets of respect thrown their way in the recent Top 25.

Will that be a motivator or jinx by Wednesday evening?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2018, 10:03:54 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 26, 2018, 10:27:35 PM

The boys are still broadcasting from the U- boat in Argentina & still talking through commercials.

It really shouldn't be this messed up after doing this about 15 years.

Regardless, Lady Royals win a big game and the UofS men actually have a few nuggets of respect thrown their way in the recent Top 25.

Will that be a motivator or jinx by Wednesday evening?

Can I get an audio review on last night's game?  Seemed to be some shot clock issues as the game slogged on. Scranton 5-0....looking at next week vs York on the road as a good test...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on December 01, 2018, 02:26:02 AM
Scranton, Moravian and Drew all seem to be playing well.

Predictions for 12/1

Drew / CUA
Scranton /Goucher
ETown /Moravian
Juniata /Susquehanna
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 01, 2018, 09:02:25 AM

Those picks seem to be just about right.

Not sure where the Drew/Catholic game is being played, but the home team gets the nod in that one.

With the Royals backcourt set for years to come, Danzig needs to be searching for another Brenden Boken/John Vitkis post presence from California to Long Island & all points in between.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 04, 2018, 01:40:24 AM
No love yet for our beloved Royals.3 freshman 2 juniors start Very fun to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on December 04, 2018, 03:45:22 AM
Besides Stevenson, who have the played who qualifies as a quality win? York will be a good test to see if they are legit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
Yes that would be a nice win. Looks like York has gotten behind in a lot of games only to come roaring back.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
I took a look at Scranton from a bunch of undefeated teams for the ballot this week ... and had the same thought: who have they played? I also dismissed the result against Stevenson for now as the Mustangs are picked to finish at the bottom of the MAC Commonwealth. That doesn't mean it will be true, but I also know Stevenson has been struggling in recent years and I want to see what they actually put together this season first.

So ... I got left thinking, "I'm not sure I can vote for them with that resume right now." Scranton wasn't the only one. There were a lot of undefeated teams I didn't vote for. I'm not throwing votes towards Amherst, Millsaps, Lynchburg, or others right now.

There are a LOT of teams undefeated right now. There are also a LOT of teams who are good. Cracking the Top 25 is far more difficult now. Not individual ballots, but getting 25 voters to think the same way with so much parity these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2018, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: guest323 on December 04, 2018, 03:45:22 AM
Besides Stevenson, who have the played who qualifies as a quality win? York will be a good test to see if they are legit.

I was at York this time last year and saw them beat a highly-ranked Swarthmore team. They did graduate their 2 good big men but everyone else may be back this year. It should be a good road test for Scranton.
Scranton has its flaws: very young, weak on the defensive board, excessive turnovers, and foolish fouls by their best player.
Strengths: youth(greater capability for improvement day-to-day as they gain experience with each other) , team-bonding playing trip in Ireland this summer, up-tempo play, defensive quickness.
Their entertainment value has risen from the mid-70s in recent years to 90 this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:37:11 PM
York lost three 1,000 career point scorers from last year. They lost a ton of fire power, but seem to have found some pieces to at least keep them competitive ... which is impressive to say the least.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2018, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
I took a look at Scranton from a bunch of undefeated teams for the ballot this week ... and had the same thought: who have they played? I also dismissed the result against Stevenson for now as the Mustangs are picked to finish at the bottom of the MAC Commonwealth. That doesn't mean it will be true, but I also know Stevenson has been struggling in recent years and I want to see what they actually put together this season first.

Pre-season rankings are meaningless. Stevenson has rattled off 5 wins after their loss to Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2018, 06:04:04 PM

"Pre-season rankings are meaningless".

Much like Top 25 polls until about the 10th. week & even then, not worth anything in the eyes of the NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 04, 2018, 06:27:39 PM
Well I guess Augustana plays a great schedule 0-5,0-6,4-4 killer schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2018, 07:37:20 PM
The actual info:

Augustana (5-1)
Nov. 16   7:30 PM   at Alma (0-6) •   W, 85-74
Nov. 17   3:00 PM   at Calvin (4-4) •   W, 86-67
Nov. 21   7:00 PM   at Loras (4-1) •   L, 74-73
Nov. 24   4:00 PM   at Rockford (0-5) •   W, 78-64
Nov. 28   7:00 PM   UW-Stevens Point (4-1) •   W, 86-84 OT
Dec. 1   7:00 PM   Carroll (2-4) * •   W, 68-56

And then you need the context on who Alma has played to get to its 0-6. A D-II team and five D-III's who have all been in the Top 25 this season.

11/13   at Saginaw Valley   Final   L, 88-78
11/16   vs. Augustana •   Final   L, 85-74
11/17   vs. Illinois Wesleyan •   Final   L, 86-81
11/24   at North Central (Ill.) •   Final   L, 87-67
11/30   at UW-Platteville •   Final   L, 88-61
12/1   at Pomona-Pitzer •   Final   L, 88-76
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2018, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 04, 2018, 06:04:04 PM

"Pre-season rankings are meaningless".

Much like Top 25 polls until about the 10th. week & even then, not worth anything in the eyes of the NCAA.

Fair point. Stevenson crushing Cabrini at the moment 57-40
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2018, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
I took a look at Scranton from a bunch of undefeated teams for the ballot this week ... and had the same thought: who have they played? I also dismissed the result against Stevenson for now as the Mustangs are picked to finish at the bottom of the MAC Commonwealth. That doesn't mean it will be true, but I also know Stevenson has been struggling in recent years and I want to see what they actually put together this season first.

Pre-season rankings are meaningless. Stevenson has rattled off 5 wins after their loss to Scranton.

Coach's polls usually indicate to me what the coaches in the conference are thinking about their counterparts. While I do realize they can be a little off, usually they aren't so off that the bottom team selected suddenly makes a run to a conference title or something.

However, what I did say is that "it doesn't mean it will be true." There are a few reasons I showed why the win over Stevenson isn't something I'm putting stock in just yet. Stevenson's opponents outside of Scranton are 10-36. Those are the opponents they have "rattled off" six wins since their loss to Scranton.

Cabrini is, now, 2-5, FYI.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 04, 2018, 10:17:53 PM
Just giving love to my Royals that it nothing big.Very very young team.Should be a good test at York.I thought all these teams have been a test since we are so young .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2018, 10:04:12 AM
and yes i am aware we have all jinxed the royals for their game tonight in York..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2018, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2018, 10:04:12 AM
and yes i am aware we have all jinxed the royals for their game tonight in York..

LOL I wasn't going to say anything ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Even if this conversation has jinxed them, they are a fun group of kids to watch.

Four of the top 6 in the rotation are freshmen & if he goes big, that player is just a soph.

There will be mistakes but a lot of hustle as well.

As Al McGuire used to say, "The best thing about freshmen...they become sophomores".

If he can bring in a talented freshman big, the Royals may have assembled a group that can break their very own one & done jinx.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 05, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
Nice win by the Royals,Great compliments from the York announcer,,Keep it rolling Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2018, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 05, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
Nice win by the Royals,Great compliments from the York announcer,,Keep it rolling Royals

Nice statement tonight by the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 05, 2018, 10:54:14 PM
Ronk didnt see to many flaws tonight? Alot different in person. That game against Cabrini was terrible officiating period .Question-why are these refs told before a game they are being evaluated or monitored?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2018, 12:33:09 AM
York wasn't nearly as strong as last year w/o their 2 bigs; no one to stop Mancuso in the paint. York would be leading the Centennial if they were in it, having defeated Dickinson, Johns Hopkins, Gettysburg, and F&M, already.
Royals continue up tempo, running in transition, finding the open man; Jackson hot early from 3. Turnovers returned in 2nd half with some behind the back passes but Royals continue to be very entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2018, 08:33:29 AM

York broadcasting team was top notch as well.

So nice to see a clear picture & have audio coming through perfectly as opposed to our broadcasts that emanate from Sputnik.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2018, 08:33:29 AM

York broadcasting team was top notch as well.

So nice to see a clear picture & have audio coming through perfectly as opposed to our broadcasts that emanate from Sputnik.

So the Royals at 7-0 for the first time since the early 90s, thumped York and you are complaining about the broadcast? Are you channeling our friend Cold_Case from beyond?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2018, 10:33:09 AM
 I mentioned the audio to Dean last night; he thought they had improved things on Saturday after the problem earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 05, 2018, 10:54:14 PM
Ronk didnt see to many flaws tonight? Alot different in person. That game against Cabrini was terrible officiating period .Question-why are these refs told before a game they are being evaluated or monitored?

Officials are being "monitored" or "evaluated" at all times - on site and/or via video. They don't need to be "told" anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 06, 2018, 11:37:00 PM
Yes,But my question  is why let them know?Dave for instance will not mention his name but there was 45 fouls in Scranton vs Cabrini I mean this guy was show boating and I would to if I new someone was watching me, it took 2 and half hours to complete this game!This guy went to the official desk more times then I go thru McDonalds drive thru in a month.All I'm looking for is consistancy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:37:06 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 06, 2018, 11:37:00 PM
Yes,But my question  is why let them know?Dave for instance will not mention his name but there was 45 fouls in Scranton vs Cabrini I mean this guy was show boating and I would to if I new someone was watching me, it took 2 and half hours to complete this game!This guy went to the official desk more times then I go thru McDonalds drive thru in a month.All I'm looking for is consistancy.

If that's true, it's not the kind of behavior that will get evaluated well.  He wasn't doing it to show off to other officials - that's for sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:37:06 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 06, 2018, 11:37:00 PM
Yes,But my question  is why let them know?Dave for instance will not mention his name but there was 45 fouls in Scranton vs Cabrini I mean this guy was show boating and I would to if I new someone was watching me, it took 2 and half hours to complete this game!This guy went to the official desk more times then I go thru McDonalds drive thru in a month.All I'm looking for is consistancy.

If that's true, it's not the kind of behavior that will get evaluated well.  He wasn't doing it to show off to other officials - that's for sure.

Yeah - I find officials who know there is a monitor on-site don't tend to showboat. They are already showboats. Hell, I'd venture I know who you are talking about ... but sadly, there are a few I know who are showboats, so that could be a dart contest to figure out who it is.

And as Ryan noted - it will be evaluated and noted anyway. I know of quite a few officials who have been knocked down a few pegs even when they don't realize they are being evaluated.

Oh, and the trump card: coaches can submit video examples of issues whenever they want.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2018, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
I took a look at Scranton from a bunch of undefeated teams for the ballot this week ... and had the same thought: who have they played? I also dismissed the result against Stevenson for now as the Mustangs are picked to finish at the bottom of the MAC Commonwealth. That doesn't mean it will be true, but I also know Stevenson has been struggling in recent years and I want to see what they actually put together this season first.

So ... I got left thinking, "I'm not sure I can vote for them with that resume right now." Scranton wasn't the only one. There were a lot of undefeated teams I didn't vote for. I'm not throwing votes towards Amherst, Millsaps, Lynchburg, or others right now.

There are a LOT of teams undefeated right now. There are also a LOT of teams who are good. Cracking the Top 25 is far more difficult now. Not individual ballots, but getting 25 voters to think the same way with so much parity these days.

Curious what the win at York did to your thinking
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:28:33 AM
I think they would have to beat Villanova by 40 before you start getting votes for Scranton!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:29:35 AM
 In the top 25
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 02:07:29 AM
I will say the York announcer praised Scranton and compared them to a team like Hamilton!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 08, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:28:33 AM
I think they would have to beat Villanova by 40 before you start getting votes for Scranton!

With Villanova losing FOUR players to the NBA...................that would be very possible this year. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 09, 2018, 12:22:30 PM
Scranton is about to have a few year run here. These young fellows can really play. I hope to get out to more games in the region this year. They will be one this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 10, 2018, 03:14:55 AM
Thanks CChoopster for the  acknowledgement of a very young team that can play.Scranton has two very good starters(Juniors) back from last year but these Freshman can play and then off the bench he has freshman and sophmore and the only senior on the team coming in.They always say  but they are Freshman believe me these kids are ready to play College Basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on December 10, 2018, 10:53:14 PM
Scranton is the unofficial 26th ranked team
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 02:06:42 AM
So i was bored dug into some stats tonight just the top 6 teams in the top 25 opponents records Nebraska Wesleyan 35-37,2 William's 34-44,3 Augustana 29-32,4Hamilton 28-46,5Whitman 23-31,6Oshkosh 20-47 and my Royals 32-28 just did some research I was bored.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 02:06:42 AM
So i was bored dug into some stats tonight just the top 6 teams in the top 25 opponents records Nebraska Wesleyan 35-37,2 William's 34-44,3 Augustana 29-32,4Hamilton 28-46,5Whitman 23-31,6Oshkosh 20-47 and my Royals 32-28 just did some research I was bored.

Massey has Scranton's strength of schedule at 205 as of today.  It's about the same as Williams and Hamilton, not really close to any of the other top teams.  Those two schools have an immediate track record of success, with almost no graduations from last year.  That's the difference.  As we've been saying all along, if Scranton keeps playing well, they'll get noticed - they're already getting votes!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
William's 216 Hamilton 269,I was told it is who you play so what is it ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 09:48:27 PM
Scrantons resume looks a little better tonight Ithaca beat #13 Rochester,So 3 good wins so far York,Ithaca,Stevenson 2 on the road
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2018, 09:52:03 PM
Think you are confusing Hartwick with Ithaca.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 10:24:09 PM
yes your right
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
Nepafan great call on Mancuso the kid can play!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 10:29:58 PM
Just to excited about the mens team.Danzing had some great players and teams in his years,But this years recruits are just special players.Watched University of Penn play Villanova nice to see our old assistant doing well at Penn
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2018, 09:19:12 AM
Good game tonight is York at Swarthmore (Ranked 24). Scranton hasn't played in a while so I'll probably watch that one for my fix.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 12, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
I will be on it to.Hopefully see you a Catholic or Goucher Nepafan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
York goes down in a big way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2018, 01:44:10 AM
Jmcozenlaw,
   Just heard the Hoopsville buy/sell comments on Scranton; I'm not upset - largely agree about the schedule(200th in difficulty); historically, they only occasionally have tough non-conference foes on the schedule. We'll give them a pass this season with such a young team needing to gain experience playing with each other.
   I'm just really enjoying watching them play this season, like I haven't in decades.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 02:06:42 AM
So i was bored dug into some stats tonight just the top 6 teams in the top 25 opponents records Nebraska Wesleyan 35-37,2 William's 34-44,3 Augustana 29-32,4Hamilton 28-46,5Whitman 23-31,6Oshkosh 20-47 and my Royals 32-28 just did some research I was bored.

Massey has Scranton's strength of schedule at 205 as of today.  It's about the same as Williams and Hamilton, not really close to any of the other top teams.  Those two schools have an immediate track record of success, with almost no graduations from last year.  That's the difference.  As we've been saying all along, if Scranton keeps playing well, they'll get noticed - they're already getting votes!

Ryan:

Re: Hoopsville. Ethan graduated, the Danzig on this years squad is Jackson.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2018, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 11, 2018, 02:06:42 AM
So i was bored dug into some stats tonight just the top 6 teams in the top 25 opponents records Nebraska Wesleyan 35-37,2 William's 34-44,3 Augustana 29-32,4Hamilton 28-46,5Whitman 23-31,6Oshkosh 20-47 and my Royals 32-28 just did some research I was bored.

Massey has Scranton's strength of schedule at 205 as of today.  It's about the same as Williams and Hamilton, not really close to any of the other top teams.  Those two schools have an immediate track record of success, with almost no graduations from last year.  That's the difference.  As we've been saying all along, if Scranton keeps playing well, they'll get noticed - they're already getting votes!

Ryan:

Re: Hoopsville. Ethan graduated, the Danzig on this years squad is Jackson.

Yeah, I figured that out after the show.  Thanks.  Too many Danzigs to keep straight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Sos bob yes 200 William's 198,Hamilton 250 means nothing when you play the game on the floor look at a couple years ago Middlebury had Scranton beat in every aspect of the game on paper,sos or whatever you want to put out there. Guess what Scranton won that game at Middlebury.So  please dont read into those phony ass numbers when it comes to any sports means nothing.Game is played on the court not by what massey thinks or you guys think.I will tell you this though as a long Royals fan I havent seen a team like this at Scranton since 1990 Cusano,Hoppy and company That is when Scranton was a power house 70,80,early 90s believe me this team is good Starting 3 freshman and two juniors and freshman coming off the bench what a joy to watch for the next couple years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Sos bob yes 200 William's 198,Hamilton 250 means nothing when you play the game on the floor look at a couple years ago Middlebury had Scranton beat in every aspect of the game on paper,sos or whatever you want to put out there.

Are you citing December 2018 SOS stats in discussing a March 2012 game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 06:25:53 PM
Both what is the difference not a thing.That is why I said sos means nothing when it comes to the game of basketball on the court. You play the game on the court you win your league your in bottomline.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
Scranton 106 Manhattaville 75

When do the fans start packing the long center?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2018, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
Scranton 106 Manhattaville 75

When do the fans start packing the long center?

February - when the students are back from intersession break.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2018, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 06:25:53 PM
Both what is the difference not a thing.That is why I said sos means nothing when it comes to the game of basketball on the court.

And what were the 2012 SOS numbers?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
My point didnt matter because Scranton proved everyone wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2018, 08:43:50 PM
I'm just trying to suggest your argument is lazy and make you support it intellectually with the actual numbers, that's all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2018, 08:49:56 PM
rofrog is also misunderstanding Bob's point ... his point wasn't that the SOS numbers indicate if a team can beat someone with a better SOS or not ... he was simply saying he isn't getting a good read on whether Scranton is as good as an undefeated mark is ... based on a poor Massey SOS number. In other words, yeah ... you probably should be undefeated with an SOS that low.

And as Pat indicated, arguing this season's SOS and saying in March 2012 Scranton won a big game is ridiculous. They aren't even in the same conversation. But if you would like to stick to the 2012 reference... Scranton also got their doors blown off them the next round against Cabrini. Those SOS number comparisons could be problematic for the argument because Cabrini has never really had strong SOS numbers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 09:39:58 PM
No Bob's words Scrantons sos at 200 would be 4 loses in the  cciw.So what he is saying is Williams, Hamilton,whitworth would all have four losses in that conference.No you play the game on the floor nothing to do with your sos.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 17, 2018, 09:43:20 PM
Read my whole write up and not pick up on what pat highlighted to fit your agenda.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on December 17, 2018, 10:00:08 PM
My head's starting to hurt trying to remember SOS's from 2012.  I'll just focus on appreciating the return of the Scranton men to the D3Hoops Top 25 and their 8-0 start with a very young but talented team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
I will also give Dave credit, for all the grief he gets from certain Scranton fans, he has them at 22 in his poll. Higher than I thought he would. ;D


Welcome, Royals81 by the way!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
Totally agree.

To get amped up over a poll is kind of silly.

In the scheme of things, what difference does it make?

Keep winning & you'll get noticed.

The problem with Scranton is that they've rarely started out this good or played an exciting brand of up tempo basketball since the Bess years.

Yes, they'd win the Landmark with 7-8 losses overall & get in the NCAA tourney but we all know it was a rare year when they'd ever win once the tournament started.

Nice to see actual talented freshmen contributing in such a big way but before we submit this roster to the Naismith Archives, let's let them take this as far as possible knowing full well that at some point there will be some bumps in the road.

Until then, whether 25th, receiving votes or 11th.in the country, let's enjoy the fact that this group will be entertaining us for years to come regardless of SOS, OSS, PMS or LSD.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2018, 06:35:16 AM

I'll be interested to see what they do tonight.  TCNJ is probably the best team Scranton has faced so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 20, 2018, 07:23:41 AM
Today game is it 3pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 20, 2018, 05:46:46 PM
Great comeback Royals down 25-8, heart baby ,16-0 to start!!!!
Title: Scranton Mens Hoops
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
Nice Christmas present from the Royals, down 19-2. Any doubt how this goes last year?

Nice game by Nolan off the bench...and a good gut check for them all ...they can't all be easy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
For the older Scranton fans,
  Obit today for Willie Murrell, former Kansas St star(20 pts/10 rebs/g) over career who played for the Scranton Miners(Eastern League) when I was in college there in mid '60s and kept stats to get into their home games free.
Willie was really good at a time in the Eastern League when there were only 9 NBA teams- just think of the caliber of the NBA today minus 9 teams worth of players. He played with Kentucky All-American Bill Spivey and some with Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 21, 2018, 07:03:10 PM
Ronk:My uncle went to all those games He said what a player he was.He didnt know you went to those games.Lol small world
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 22, 2018, 12:55:19 PM
Would like to wish all a Merry Christmas!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 23, 2018, 06:24:24 PM
Christmas came early this year in the form of entertaining Scranton men's basketball play; grateful for their play thus far and hopeful that they can build on it in the coming weeks.

Merry Christmas!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 24, 2018, 11:36:31 AM
Merry Christmas Guys!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 29, 2018, 03:46:55 PM

Good win today by the Royals as they shook off the rust vs. Wilkes.

Kings video operation needs to remind their camera person that the game of basketball goes back and forth & that keeping the camera focused in the same half of the court kind of misses the point as well as much of the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2018, 04:00:26 PM

Scranton has been playing on the edge the past several games & has been very lucky to have survived them unblemished.

If they don't stop reading their press clippings & start playing with some intensity, they will lose todays game to a very underwhelming opponent.

No offensive boards, they seem to have forgotten how to run, lazy passes, lazy handling of the ball, no offensive flow and the 2 plays that absolutely can't happen, the Royals have a 6'8" kid on Kings smallest player & he gives him 6 feet to shoot.

Result...2 in your face 3's.

Scranton needs to jump start their defensive intensity to get their running game going.

Otherwise, this looks like the Royals felt this one was over before it started.

For kings, win this one & it takes away the sting of their 2-9 record.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2018, 07:39:36 PM
woof. Grinding is right. W is a W I guess.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2018, 08:52:40 PM
Kings didn't look like a 2-9 team
Things improved in the 2nd half from Saratoga's 1st half description, but there's those problems to work on this week.
Troubling play at end of game - the strategy is to have Deverna dribble out end-of-half/game when in the bonus because he's the best foul shooter on the team. So Kings hits a 3 to cut the lead to 3 with 3 secs left. Who inbounds the ball to a frosh? It's Deverna, instead of him letting someone inbound to him. The frosh misses both FTs, giving Kings a shot at tying it up. They have to play smarter than that.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 31, 2018, 05:47:34 PM
Every team has a bad game yes even the dukies.They are 11-0(Scranton) for the first time since 91-92 when bess was here.Just enjoy the start  they maybe not killing it but they have the W.Lady Royals move to 12-0 They are really putting it together also take two in Worcester by 37 and 31 today so 12-0 women 11-0 men probably only team that has men and women undefeated enjoy this moment excitement has returned to the Long Center.Happy New Years everyone
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 31, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Rofrog, I think you´re right.  No other college in D3 that I could find have both the men´s and women´s teams undefeated (unless both are also unranked, which is unlikely...)

It´s an exciting young team and I am definitely enjoying their fast start.  The present is, overall, good, and the future is bright.

That said, they still have some growing pains to go through.  The fact that they won these last three games while not playing their best basketball is promising, but they can´t keep playing like this going into conference play.  If they can keep up the energy while minimizing the mistakes, then I´m sure that 2019 will be even more exciting than 2018.

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2019, 09:47:46 AM
12-0 and one of only five teams in D3 that are unblemished. Unreal turnaround from a bleak season last year.

BUT, my gripe is that one of your star players is in street clothes and the radio broadcast seems unsure why ( at least at the end of the broadcast, i missed the beginning in all fairness); the schools' press release doesn't mention the player's absence; and the local newspaper is lost ( site is overwhelmed with ads and pop ups) and can't provide a quote from the coach. I think he got hurt at the end of the game so it might be an injury, but also wouldn't be surprised if it was coach's decision.

I understand we aren't talking D1 here, but at 12-0 Scranton is a real story and would like a little more in-depth coverage from the school,  and local media.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2019, 10:08:09 AM
 I heard 'coach's decision' from Dean at the beginning of the broadcast; while the player was injured towards the end of Sunday's game, he did seem to be walking fine last night, so I'm inclined to believe the decision was a T/O.
  There were knicks on a couple of other players last night so we'll see how their recovery goes on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
Thanks Ronk,

I walk back my comments as they apply to the broadcast then haha. I heard a comment on the broadcast whether it was injury/or something else they need him back for the next game. The confusion surprised me a bit.

Like I said I joined the broadcast late, so I didn't hear the beginning.  That being said, like seeing a few new players getting some time on the floor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 03, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
 Yes Mancuso was hurt in the game against Kings !!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2019, 06:20:35 PM

While it may be convenient to say he sat to rest a minor injury, I'm pretty sure his back to back "technicals" for:

A. Slamming the ball on the court 20' in the air on Sat. after he was called for a foul and,

B. Kicking the same said ball into a wall on Sunday after a foul call actually had something to do with his excursion to the end of the bench.

If he can harness some of that passion in a positive way, he's an All-American.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 04, 2019, 03:27:01 PM
Saw him do about the same thing against Hartwick earlier in the season----double technicals.  When is enough enough?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 05, 2019, 08:38:32 PM
Second game without Mancuso and it really showed today.Hats off to ETown for finding a way to win that shot at the buzzer 35 footer was amazing.Royals it is only one loss without the man in the middle hopefully he is back in the lineup for Wednesdays game.Keep playing your game .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
So it is an injury. Hope he is back against Moravian, the loser of that game is going to be in an early hole in conference. Not sure what happened in the CUA-Moravian game, but didn't see that result coming either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
 I think the Landmark is so bunched this season that everyone has a shot at its postseason tourney with Goucher being the longest shot; for that reason, there are no "big" games this month; they are all equally important.

Hopefully, the Royals' end-of-game/half strategy(e.g., E-town) gets polished; one would think that by the time players reach college that they are aware of what should and should not be done.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 07, 2019, 08:17:29 PM
 That is why they are called Freshman!With Mancuso Scranton wins that game.Remember this is a very, very ,very young team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2019, 09:03:09 PM

This game was winnable without Mancuso.

Why DeVerna wasn't given the ball to take to the hoop on that last possession is a mystery.

Taking a jumper with 9 seconds on the clock & nobody underneath was just brutal.

I've watched that last sequence over & over on tape and it was poorly set up right from the start.

If that's your best play with the hammer & on the road, rip it up and find a new one real soon & get the ball in the hands of your most dependable free throw shooter.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 07, 2019, 09:20:43 PM
See the difference with Mancuso in the game is he plays underneath,You saw the frustration on coaches face like what the hell is a 6ft8 outside shooting 3s instead of his position,I thought it was a great shot if it went in he is a hero ,so you win some lose some.I just wish these kids 6ft8 would learn to play under the basket not 30 ft away that was a big problem so that is why I said if Mancuso is in you win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2019, 09:35:58 PM
Glad I missed this game lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 01:45:04 AM
So i stayed up to watch this game amongst two top ten teams.Whitman,Whitworth final score was 100-98 what  I saw was no defense what so ever so it wasnt my type of game but hats off to playing the game best was announcer saying both teams will hit 100 I guess so with no defense .Just my thought so before the critics come attacking you like that style I dont.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2019, 06:27:56 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 01:45:04 AM
So i stayed up to watch this game amongst two top ten teams.Whitman,Whitworth final score was 100-98 what  I saw was no defense what so ever so it wasnt my type of game but hats off to playing the game best was announcer saying both teams will hit 100 I guess so with no defense .Just my thought so before the critics come attacking you like that style I dont.

Do you mean it wasn't a halfcourt game?  Defense is not always about minimizing the other team's points as primary focus.  That's one type of defense.  Whitman plays a pretty aggressive brand of defense - they just tend to pick up full court.  There are a lot of fast breaks, but Whitman's half-court defense is pretty potent, although, I'll admit, it was not their best defensive night.

You don't have to like or dislike any style - we all have our preferences - but it's probably more accurate to say you don't care for the "pace."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
Ryan if you like that type of game watch the NBA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2019, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
Ryan if you like that type of game watch the NBA.

The defensive schemes in the NBA are way above my pay grade.  That's basketball on a whole other level.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Must win Saturday vs Catholic. Can't go 1-3 in the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2019, 10:39:36 PM
Yeah rofrog - there was a lot of defense last night. The score may not be what you deem it should be in your idea of what it means for defense ... but trust me, I don't know a Landmark team that would handle Whitman's defense all that well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
 What defense???????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
First of all read the statement I said I dont like that style.Second what the hell does this have to do with the Landmark??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 11:14:55 PM
I get it we will never see eye to eye but believe me defense wins championships my friend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
First of all read the statement I said I dont like that style.Second what the hell does this have to do with the Landmark??

Well ... my comparison was to give some perspective in comparison to a conference everyone here knows. I've never seen a defense that Whitman plays ever played in this conference and I think teams in this conference would struggle mightily with it.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 09, 2019, 11:14:55 PM
I get it we will never see eye to eye but believe me defense wins championships my friend.

Whitman lost in the national semifinals (their first lost of the season) two seasons ago against Babson - who eventually won the title. They also lost to NWU, the eventual champions, in last year's tournament (their second lost) - though that game was more of a true coming out party for NWU who plays less defense than Whitman.

Whitman's defense two seasons ago (which is near identical to what they are playing now) stymied some of the best teams in the country including Whitworth (three times), Hardin-Simmons, and Rochester in the late part of the season on it's own.

In other words ... their defense was one of the biggest reasons they got to Salem and nearly won the title undefeated (they get past Babson and they probably win the title).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 12:34:35 AM
Well Dave from my eyes I didn't see much defense according to Massey also Whitman's defense ranked 192,Nebraska Wesleyan 29 so like I said I don't like that style and I didn't see defense either
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2019, 06:48:04 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 12:34:35 AM
Well Dave from my eyes I didn't see much defense according to Massey also Whitman's defense ranked 192,Nebraska Wesleyan 29 so like I said I don't like that style and I didn't see defense either

That only measures what an opponent scores.  It's total points - without looking at the number of possessions in a game, something dictated by pace, you really can't get a good measure of the opponent.

You seem to be defining defense as "keeping the opponents score as low as possible."  That's really only one way to measure defense and it's not one most coaches use anymore.  Points per possession is the gold standard these days.  Also, something like opponents shooting percentages is important.

Equating defense with low scoring is just not a valid comparison; that's what we're objecting to here.  You don't like the pace and the turnovers and the open shots, which is fine, but saying there's "no defense" is just plain ignorant.


Even the 192nd best defense is in the top half of Division III.  NWU and Whitman have very different defensive philosophies, so it's tough to compare them head to head.  Certainly NWU is more half-court oriented, so the scores are going to be a little lower.  I'm not saying Whitman is a defense-first team or anything, but they do play it.  Ask any coach how difficult it is to face them and how much preparation their defense takes to handle.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2019, 07:26:42 AM

Thank God Logan Bailey showed up for the Royals last evening.

Quick question for Dave or Ryan...

Is Logan able to be considered for Landmark ROY even though he is technically a soph. academically?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
Mancuso played but didn't start? Still Nursing injury? No Connelly? Driesbach gets minutes all of a sudden?


also this is cool,


https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190110eqrpag


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2019, 10:21:57 AM
 Mancuso didn't play with his usual energy, probably still affected. Dreisbach is from the Moravian area; may have been a factor in his replacing Connelly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Ryan the word defense or defence meaning-in many sports is the action of preventing an opponent from scoring.I stand by my comment I did not see defense from either team that night bottom line.That is why my comment about the NBA came in because it is a league of no defense.It is your typical up an down game which like I said is not my style.I like the tough nose defense when you actually hold -like the definition states your opponent from scoring
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Ryan the word defense or defence meaning-in many sports is the action of preventing an opponent from scoring.I stand by my comment I did not see defense from either team that night bottom line.That is why my comment about the NBA came in because it is a league of no defense.It is your typical up an down game which like I said is not my style.I like the tough nose defense when you actually hold -like the definition states your opponent from scoring

In a low scoring game let's say there were 40 possessions ... and the team kept their opponent from scoring on 25 of those possessions ... giving up, say, 40 points.

In a high possession game, there were actually 70 possessions ... and the solid defensive team only allowed their opponent to score on 44 of those possessions and they gave up, say, 60 points.

You know what those two games have in common? The defense only allowed the opponent to score on 37.5% of their possessions. The defense stopped the opponent 63.5% of the time. Despite the scores... the defense was just as successful, but you can't see it because you are looking at ... points. Both teams "prevented" their opponents from scoring at the exact same rate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2019, 06:44:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 10, 2019, 07:26:42 AM

Thank God Logan Bailey showed up for the Royals last evening.

Quick question for Dave or Ryan...

Is Logan able to be considered for Landmark ROY even though he is technically a soph. academically?

I do not know the Landmark rules on that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2019, 06:46:18 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Ryan the word defense or defence meaning-in many sports is the action of preventing an opponent from scoring.I stand by my comment I did not see defense from either team that night bottom line.That is why my comment about the NBA came in because it is a league of no defense.It is your typical up an down game which like I said is not my style.I like the tough nose defense when you actually hold -like the definition states your opponent from scoring

Watch an NBA game from the 80's then come back and watch one from today.  The defense is insane these days.  You're confusing "low-scoring" or "slow-paced" with "defense."  It's a lot more complicated than you're making it.  The defenses were not stellar on Tuesday, but the evidence you've presented doesn't prove that.  That's my only point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2019, 10:40:25 AM

Nice gut check win by the Royals yesterday.

Logan Bailey & DeVerna played fantastic all around games.

For the Royals to take the next step & start to swim in the deep end of the pool & not just dip their toe in Top 25 for a second but to actually stay there, Danzig obviously needs to bring in a point that can step in and play from day 1 (think Randy Arnold) and another big to take the pressure off Mancuso & the smaller guards that have to bang each game for 40 minutes with kids bigger & stronger.

Get those 2 pieces to the puzzle & the future will be set for several years. Otherwise, the lazy passes & unforced turnovers from the current setup will be an unresolved issue that will never allow this group to move forward to their fullest potential.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2019, 12:01:41 PM
 The already committed(Ryan Ems) may help in the PF slot, but they do need a ball handler against the press. Kevin Doolan was under-appreciated in this regard; he just had a mental block wrt to FT shooting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
Mancuso still getting his legs back?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2019, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
Mancuso still getting his legs back?

Doesn't appear to be 100%, yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 13, 2019, 07:59:09 PM
Ryan will help immediately the kid is a true power forward that is not afraid to bang.He will not be out shooting 3s lol.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 14, 2019, 12:50:54 PM
Scranton ' Men' basketball team needs one more win for 1500 wins that is alot of wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2019, 10:18:26 PM
Scranton also matched last year's win total. Let us never speak of last year again.

;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
Ronk:

Have you stopped with your conference standings and final record prognostications? Or are we too early in the season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
Ronk:

Have you stopped with your conference standings and final record prognostications? Or are we too early in the season?

My preseason forecast:

1. Moravian
2. Drew
3. Scranton,Catholic,E-town  tie
6. Juniata,Susquehanna   tie
8. Goucher

After 4 league games I'll adjust it, thusly:


1. Moravian    12-2
2. Drew   10-4
3. Scranton  9-5
4. Catholic,E-town,Susquehanna   7-7
7. Juniata,Goucher    2-12
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2019, 09:32:17 PM
 I've started to declutter by going through old ball and golf magazines; there was no internet at that time - the only knowledge we had was preview mags from the likes of Street & Smith; I gave a writeup from one about Hal Danzig(All-East player @ Bucknell and Carl's dad) to Carl 10 years ago; I finally met Hal at the Gettysburg game last season. One such mag was the college basketball preview issue of SI(Nov '77, Larry Bird-Indiana St on the cover). They had a section on the small colleges with 1 3/4 pages devoted to the history and culture of Scranton(University and basketball team), presumably because they won the national title in '76 and finished 3rd in '77.
  Coach Bessoir's regret going into the new season was that there was only 1 game against a D1 opponent(St. Bonaventure) after going 4-3(including an OT loss to Coach K's Army team) the previous year. "The rest of the big-time teams refuse to go near Scranton for fear of being beaten". This team had 3 of the starters from the '76 champions - Paul Miernicki and the Johnson brothers (Phil who I met a year ago at the Scranton-Catholic game and Irvin(Swirvin Irvin, the I in the sky). The article mentioned that the high school counselor( a college classmate of mine) of the Johnsons in Upper Marlboro,MD steered them to attend the U. They finished 22-7 in '77-78 and lost in the NCAA 1st round to Slippery Rock.
  The year I was on the frosh team Scranton played 10 current D1 teams, including Temple, Villanova, Seton Hall, and Providence with John Thompson.
  When Bessoir himself played(2 decades before D3 came into existence), the players lived on the 2nd and 3rd floors of Coach Pete Carlesimo's(PJ's dad) house on Vine Street because there were no dorms.
  In the section on women's basketball, this was the transition period from the AIAW(Immaculata and Delta St dominating) to the NCAA D1 schools; Immaculata had a number of players transfer to Old Dominion, presumably with the advent of scholarships in this sport.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
Awesome Ronk
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 09:54:39 PM
Alot of history with them two programs!(Scranton Men and Women basketball)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 11:00:54 PM
Yeah ... 1970s was when the divisions split and the scholarships became an official thing - per se.

Really cool history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2019, 09:57:12 AM
very cool to see some local coverage of the royals on tv...here is the play of the game from Saturday...

https://vimeo.com/311476488

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 16, 2019, 08:36:02 PM
Well I guess not Tonight 1500 wins.Maybe one of the Scranton fans can answer this why not put Deverna at point.Let Jackson,Logan float around?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
wish we could have had some of these losses out of conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2019, 12:54:00 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 16, 2019, 08:36:02 PM
Well I guess not Tonight 1500 wins.Maybe one of the Scranton fans can answer this why not put Deverna at point.Let Jackson,Logan float around?

They just don't have a superior ballhandler. They missed Bosland tonight. I'd let Kyle, Jackson, and Logan use their energy on slashes to the basket, getting a pass from Ben. They also have to go thru Mancuso more like they did before his injury. Don't know if it's still the injury or playing conference foes whose coaches try to limit Mancuso.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 10:48:34 AM
Hopefully they cancel the game against Juniata the weekend ,We will be getting walloped.Bad enough driving in good weather never mind snow through the mountains.This one will be staying home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
moved up to 2pm. Women at 11...per release.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
moved up to 2pm. Women at 11...per release.

Women @ noon
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
moved up to 2pm. Women at 11...per release.

Women @ noon

Probably going to be cancelled at this point?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
moved up to 2pm. Women at 11...per release.

Women @ noon

Probably going to be cancelled at this point?

The timing I'm hearing for the general area is it ramps up in the late afternoon and evening? That's from what I know down here and what others in New York are telling me. Maybe they can still get the games in?

And to be clear ... they wouldn't cancel, they would postpone. It sounds like semantics, but it's a significant difference. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
moved up to 2pm. Women at 11...per release.

Women @ noon

Probably going to be cancelled at this point?

The timing I'm hearing for the general area is it ramps up in the late afternoon and evening? That's from what I know down here and what others in New York are telling me. Maybe they can still get the games in?

And to be clear ... they wouldn't cancel, they would postpone. It sounds like semantics, but it's a significant difference. :)

Gimme a break will ya? Obviously they wouldn't cancel a conference game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
It is a topic of conversation in the world I live in ... trust me, people throw around canceled a lot and it only breeds confusion. It happened earlier this month with Merchant Marine postponing game. But the best might have been last summer when working some minor league baseball games and the team announced the "game was canceled; it will be played tomorrow at 12pm."

Anyway... I just wanted to make sure because in other chat rooms when someone has said a game was canceled, it has started a question about whether it was really canceled or postponed and are they sure the conference would approve that, etc.

So I was just making sure ... not doing anything more than that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2019, 07:35:19 PM
 Just read of a ban imposed by the PA Governor on commercial vehicles on interstates, turnpike, & rt 22 from noon tomorrow to noon Sunday - may force the Royals to stay overnight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2019, 09:24:25 PM

Two nights in Juniata???

That's the equivalent of a Junior year abroad.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
Well the swim meets are canceled(postponed)for Scranton- but not the basketball games? What the hell is wrong with the Landmark!!!!???????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2019, 10:25:37 PM
Nepafan I understood what you where saying(canceled).Saratoga yes two nights in the mountains of Huntigdon,Pa.Not only the teams  but parents and fans also have to make that track.I stayed my ass home and I dont miss a game you know that Toga,Ronk ,Nepafan
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2019, 10:55:46 PM
Throw back to the old Fri/Sat back to back games I guess with an overnight stay.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2019, 01:07:54 AM
Drew-E-town and Moravian-Goucher are moved to Monday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 19, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
Great-gut check win  today for the Men (Scranton) against Juniata!I'm with coach every team plays Scranton tough.Hopefully this young team learned something today-every game will be like this away and at home.Great win
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Congrats on 1,500 victories to all those that contributed to all those wins!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Congrats on 1,500 victories to all those that contributed to all those wins!

1 of only 10 programs in D3 men's basketball!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
Still not a clean game from the Royals, need to pick it up to hand Drew their first conference lost on Weds.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2019, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
Still not a clean game from the Royals, need to pick it up to hand Drew their first conference lost on Weds.

Mostly, bad passes/judgment; hopefully, will improve as the season progresses; risk/reward of passes needs to be emphasized.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 19, 2019, 08:23:06 PM
Yes congrats to all involved in this great program 1500 wins nice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 19, 2019, 08:33:16 PM
Well 26.7 pct from 3 point range doesnt help.Your going to have turnovers by this team.It is a  very young team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2019, 01:04:13 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan what's your thoughts on the first regionals coming out?Let's do it for fun
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2019, 09:34:22 AM
Ha, i would have to think about that.I did see that Ursinus beat Swathmore last night.  My big worry is getting a spot in the conference playoffs right now. Today's article in the Scranton Times indicates that Mancuso had a hip flexor issue and seems to finally be 100%.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Wow! Scranton was already at Juniata! Insane they had to stay. I hope they get home alright.

Congrats on 1500 wins. That's really impressive when all is said in done. Also, good win at Juniata.

I was getting ready for the Eagles game at Goucher last weekend and someone told me that if Juniata was shooting well, they excel. If they weren't shooting well, things would not go well for them. At halftime, they were shooting 25% and struggling. Early in the second half, shooting was down to about 22% and they just couldn't get going. Goucher seemed they could get a win if they stayed smart. Then a light-switch was hit and not only did Goucher start giving the ball away worse than they already had been (10 turnovers at halftime), but Juniata started hitting shots. Certainly some where on breakaways, but that got their momentum going and they exploded. Suddenly a game tied at 40-40 with about 8:30 remaining had the Eagles in full control. They outscored the Gophers 22-9 in the final eight or so minutes. Martanazzi who hasn't scored more than 9 points a game against the Gophers - maybe in his career - got nine points in a handful of shots and finished with 22. The team also shot about 40% for the game (they were slightly higher than that late in the second half).

It showed me that while Juniata lost a lot of key pieces from last year, they have a good squad. Juniata shot better than 40% against Scranton and lost ... that tells me something about the Royals.

Serious question - what makes Scranton click when they are winning and what isn't working when they are losing. It seems like two very different teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Dave great question-in my eyes I think it is Mancuso that makes the freshman play better.When he is 100%he can play with anyone as long as he keeps his temper under control and I saw that in yesterday's game
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2019, 01:27:09 PM
Nice article in the Scranton Times on the Royals hitting 1500.Wittenberg has 1773 wins leading all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
 As  the first half of conference action concludes tomorrow night, there is the possibility of the leader @ 6-1, 2nd 5-2, and 4 teams tied for 3rd @ 4-3; this will make for an interesting battle for the four postseason playoff spots.

Royals' commit Ryan Ems with 41 pts/17 rebs last night in a 10-pt victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2019, 08:46:33 AM

Enroll him for the second semester, we need a banger down low.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2019, 02:20:12 PM
would be nice to get a win tonight. please and thank you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 23, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
And they did Win(Scranton Men)!See one thing people dont understand is that Scranton has 3 Freshman starting I really believe Deverna,Mancuso are reining them in.Great choice by coach to have Deverna bringing the ball up late in the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2019, 12:17:47 AM
 Good win coming back from the Drew runs at beginning of each half. Still some judgment/clock management/unwise fouls in final 6 mins to be learned; 1 such foul on a pass all the way out at at the sideline put Drew in the bonus; learning risk/reward is a work in progress.
  In 1st half, our post player commits his 2nd foul(unnecessary reach-in); soon thereafter he gets fouled, shoots the 1st, sees that he is going to be subbed out, so he seemingly(his form was completely unlike any of his normal FT procedure) misses the 2nd shot intentionally. Harry Dammer says that also on the videostream. Harry said that he was just kidding, but I don't think so.
So, the standings are like I proposed yesterday with the exception being that Goucher upset Catholic to make it a 3-way instead of 4-way tie for 3rd and, right now, Scranton would lose out on the tiebreaker as they did last year. They have a chance to nullify one part of that tiebreaker by defeating E-town @ home on Saturday. The excitement continues!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2019, 07:23:16 AM
Riley Collins is a weapon. Played all 40 minutes. Thought the Royals were in trouble when Drew cam e out in the second half on a run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2019, 11:23:31 AM
Goucher beats Catholic! Paging DMAC!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2019, 11:23:31 AM
Goucher beats Catholic! Paging DMAC!

It was actually a really fun game. I was genuinely surprised, because I expected a not-so-great game. Both teams played pretty well. CUA went on a 15-2 run (I think) in the first half that I thought was going to end things. Goucher replied with a 22-5 run! The second half was back and forth. But here are some incredible tidbits:

Got this tidbits from the cua/gou MBB game:

- First loss in the series for Catholic since Feb. 19, 2014.
- First home win in the series for Goucher since Feb. 22, 2003.
- Goucher snapped a 22 game conference losing streak.
- Before CUA's Andre Mitchell missed the front end of that one-and-one with 15 seconds left in regulation and Catholic leading 75-72, he had made 28 consecutive free throws over five games, including tonight. He has gone 35-of-38 from the free throw line over his last five games.
- Last time Goucher won at home in the series ... Mike Lonergan was head coach of CUA. It ended up being his final season AND his final away game.

Here is the play that tied it and forced it to overtime: https://twitter.com/GoucherSports/status/1088265985117835264

Seriously. Nice to see both teams play well and put a shot in the arm of the rivalry. Unofficially (because I haven't dived in deep as of yet), this was just the second or third time in the series history that both teams entered with below .500 records.

Both teams really played well. Not great, but well. Both teams were shooting neaer or above 50% for most of the game and turnovers existed, but not at ridiculous numbers like I saw with the Gophers against Moravian.

We will be back to your regularly scheduled programming soon enough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 24, 2019, 04:27:30 PM
Wow Catholic up 3 and he threw the ball right to the Goucher player.Congrats on hustling and Winning that game Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 24, 2019, 04:27:30 PM
Wow Catholic up 3 and he threw the ball right to the Goucher player.Congrats on hustling and Winning that game Goucher.

Not sure he saw O'Farrell there. He was getting desperate with the five-second count nearing an end and NO timeouts (no one had TOs remaining). He looked like he tried to heave/aim the ball for his teammate. Should have chucked it and had his teammate give chase.

Anyway... hell of a shot from Farrell who hadn't played a lot of minutes and hadn't hit any shots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2019, 05:48:31 PM


Good for the Goucher kids.

I know Scranton was out-hustled by them a few years back with a far more talented team & had a long ride home.

Regarding the Royals game....

Didn't witness the free throw in question but one thing I did see that is a real head scratcher is right before the half, Scranton is up 4 or 5, Mancuso has 2 fouls on him already & a Scranton player goes to the line with 1:20 on the clock.

We all know his propensity for, shall we say, overzealous play so rather than take him out and save him from who he is & what he does, Danzig leaves him in and by the 1:15 mark, he picks up his 3rd foul.

Totally avoidable by sitting him with a minute to play & the lead.

This also changed Drew's attack to start the second half as they went right after him every opportunity they had & it then makes him passive in the defensive scheme.

Not sure what the reasoning was to leave him in but it certainly wasn't based on logic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2019, 02:14:28 AM
 It'll be a bowling position night Wednesday with 1&2 playing each other along with T3 & T3, 5&6, and T7 & & T7.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2019, 11:22:56 PM
 All I will say is this-That York win is making it look good for Scranton .When some said York isnt as good as in the past
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2019, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 27, 2019, 11:22:56 PM
All I will say is this-That York win is making it look good for Scranton .When some said York isnt as good as in the past

Yeah good win for York against CNU. All that doesn't matter if Scranton can't rattle off some more in conference wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 29, 2019, 04:33:30 PM
Too bad CNU got on the bus w/44 seconds to go...one of the biggest choke jobs in recent memory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 05:13:51 PM
That is why you play 40 minutes not 39 minutes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2019, 09:17:27 PM
How did they choke?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 30, 2019, 08:34:16 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2019, 09:17:27 PM
How did they choke?

Up 6 w/44 seconds to go and the ball...CNU proceeds to turn the ball over twice, miss two free throws and give up three consecutive layups, one of those being a plus one...that equates to a choke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
Looks like Frankie has Carl's number!!!!!smh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2019, 09:05:49 PM
Need another big tonight!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2019, 09:18:48 PM

Beside needing another big that can play & not just take up space, their guards didn't help out at all down the stretch by not boxing out & letting Susquehanna's guards crash the boards for extra possession after extra possession.

I think we've all seen this show before.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
 This is why you have to win them games at home.Still have to go to Catholic,Drew and Goucher yikes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2019, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 30, 2019, 09:18:48 PM

Beside needing another big that can play & not just take up space, their guards didn't help out at all down the stretch by not boxing out & letting Susquehanna's guards crash the boards for extra possession after extra possession.

I think we've all seen this show before.

Yes, there were 3 offensive rebounds by Susquehanna in a 4 1/2 min period near the end of regulation that contributed to the outcome. In addition, the 3rd foul by our post player 25 feet from the basket in the 1st half had him sitting out for 1/2 the game; didn't see his 4th while switching back-and-forth with the women's game, so can't talk about that.
  This sweep by Susquehanna may be a tie-breaking factor for making the postseason playoffs but Catholic beat E-town tonight to lessen the effect if the Royals can take care of business @ Catholic Saturday..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
Im with Nepafan you have to win your league games especially at home.I know we lost only one at home but I agree with ronk that might hurt us at the end.Catholic will not be easy,Drew will be a nightmare with Jersey refs that they just picked up at the 7 eleven and Goucher always plays us tough at there place.Plus Moravian we still have to play.Would be nice to win outright !!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
Was hoping for a top 2 finish, will settle for a playoff berth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2019, 08:50:03 PM

Ok, after starting off 12-0 & thinking this team was the greatest group since Bob Bessoir's last tuxedo fitting, what are the real chances of this squad  not only making the Landmark playoffs but actually getting into the NCAA tournament?


Personally, I think they may find themselves in the Landmark, but nothing beyond that.

Guards don't defend, very little bench support, post rarely can get more than 23 minutes without serious foul trouble & a track record that we are all well aware of.

This is a three man team...DeVerna, Mancuso & Bailey...beyond that, not much real help.

When all is said & done, we've been here before.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2019, 10:38:27 PM
Geez  we off the bandwagon that quick?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2019, 11:25:02 PM
 I did call them the most entertaining team since the '90s, not the most accomplished, and did note their shortcomings(ballhandler, weak defensive rebounding, judgment, temperament, etc); they remain entertaining and hopefully, will improve on their shortcomings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2019, 07:57:14 AM

This team started the season with an element of style rarely seen by Scranton hoop fans in decades.

Certainly fun to watch with an energy, excitement & raw talent just getting it done.

Pretty much caught teams we don't play all that much by surprise to start the year.

However, once teams in the conference had some time to watch film & otherwise observe the Royals in action, adjustments were made and challenges to their youth have been presented.

The Royals are a year away from being really good but from this point on they really need to focus on eliminating the same mistakes they seem to keep making.

Certain players are too good and important to the offensive rhythm & overall scheme to disappear every other game. They need to stay engaged & keep everyone involved.

Last but not least...defense has to be improved by bumping cutters, weak side help not being 3 seconds too late stepping in & just wanting to play it by doing the little things that help. Right now they are allowing many easy baskets.

I realize this is a group of kids that love their moments with the ball but in order to win the big games, they need to play smart D as well.

They need that full compliment of contribution from everyone, not just the law firm of Mancuso, DiVerna & Bailey.

Haven't jumped off the bandwagon, just seat-belted in for a bumpy ride down the homestretch until the silly fouls and lapses end.

When they do, this will be a very, very good team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 01, 2019, 07:06:13 PM
I'm still on that bandwagon,My thought is they are very,very young it is not like they are getting blown out! they have  only 4 losses ,compared to last years team that had 6 seniors and went 13-12.4 losses two to River Hawks,1 to Moravian rematch at the long center and Etown on a buzzer beater.Im truly happy with this team and in games it shows how young they are!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2019, 08:00:58 AM

Gutsy win by the Royals yesterday.

Could have easily panicked down the stretch but played great D holding Catholic without a basket the last 4 minutes & someone other than Mancuso, DiVerna or Bailey stepped up and hit some key shots.

More of the same will be required on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
 I was impressed yesterday with how quickly Logan Bailey gets out in transition; if the rebounders or outlet pass recipients start looking for him, I think there are few D3 players who could defend him 1-on-1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
LB has some serious lift when he goes to the hoop as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 04, 2019, 08:19:19 PM
Big game Wednesday at the Long Center!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2019, 08:32:10 PM

No, the ladies are at Moravian.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2019, 04:52:18 AM
Without bridgette all you need to do is double the post players.It will be another tough game unless he changes his offense by attacking the basket. Instead of sitting back and running that high weave play handoff,handoff and handoff.You need to attack to open it all up or you will be behind again but enough with the ladies.Men if they win put themself back in the running of first.I really love this team ,they are young and energetic to watch so hopefully double winGo Royals,Lady Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
Got to limit the turnovers tonight. I know stating the obvious...Moravian had 31 points of Scranton's TOs last time out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
Dubious ranking of Scranton behind York with 2 fewer losses and a head-to-head win or JHU/UMW with 3 fewer losses despite their stronger SOS. Next week, Scranton will add a  2-0 vrro to its resume.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
Dubious ranking of Scranton behind York with 2 fewer losses and a head-to-head win or JHU/UMW with 3 fewer losses despite their stronger SOS. Next week, Scranton will add a  2-0 vrro to its resume.

where does the 2nd win come from?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2019, 09:00:26 PM
St. Lawrence
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2019, 09:00:26 PM
St. Lawrence



Ah was only looking at Mid Atlantic. A little delirious after that unnecessary overtime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2019, 09:19:37 PM
Yes, they made it much harder than it had to be; Logan has the ball in transition with a 2-pt lead and 9 secs to go; possession is key; he doesn't need more points; just use up the clock.
And the bench after the backcourt violation in OT could have subbed out Mancuso on defense instead of letting him pick up his 4th foul.
  Such things could prevent them from achieving their peak this season. We'll celebrate the big victory, however.
Jackson Danzig 1 bound shy of a triple double; Logan was unstoppable; gotta find a way to isolate him in the paint more; Cazzaza going 0-10 was a big help; he was a big difference in the game @ Moravian earlier.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2019, 10:08:01 PM

This is about the third game this year where the lack of offensive/defensive substitutions nearly cost the Royals.

Their 6'8" soph. just has to get tougher around the basket.

Please re-recruit Randy Arnold.

As you said, good win (aren't they all) but, far harder than it needed to be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2019, 10:31:25 PM
This team loves living on the edge and why not I will say it again very young team at 18-4. I will not  complain after last years team.Moravian is no push over they start 3 seniors and 2 juniors while Scranton starts 2 juinors and  3 freshman.Then Moravians bench is not underclassmen either like Scrantons.Very good win for this very young team keep it up Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
Agreed Ro, if i would have told you last year this year's team would have 18 wins you'd take it in a heartbeat. Kudos to Jackson for a near triple double and limiting the turnovers. Also nice to see brocket knocking down some 3's early on.

The ending was crazy, i think it was a camera operator fail so i didn't see Logan's miss. Easily could have folded in OT. Nice job.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 07, 2019, 10:38:44 AM
Regarding Logan's missed layup:  Since the camera didn't show it, was it contested?  If so, it was definitely a poor choice to take it.  If not, and he simply blew an open layup, then I don't fault him for taking a shot that should have put them up two possessions. 

But they showed up in OT and Danzig, Bailey and Mancuso (free throws notwithstanding) played well.  This team is good this year, and with some help underneath and a more control at the point could be great next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Tim where ya been?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 08, 2019, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Tim where ya been?

Lurking in the shadows. :)

Seriously, though, I haven't been able to watch as many of the games this winter as I would have liked so I didn't have much to add to the conversation...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2019, 10:08:01 PM

This is about the third game this year where the lack of offensive/defensive substitutions nearly cost the Royals.

Their 6'8" soph. just has to get tougher around the basket.

Please re-recruit Randy Arnold.

As you said, good win (aren't they all) but, far harder than it needed to be.

Randy Arnold will be on the court tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2019, 12:16:54 PM

Just read where Bobby Casey (Scranton Prep), former high school teammate of Royals star Logan Bailey, just became the all time leader in made 3 pointers in the long & storied history of Williams College.

Well done & congratulations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 09, 2019, 02:04:01 PM
Predictions for today?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2019, 05:26:04 PM

Scranton has already won so beyond that I'd say Susquehanna, Moravian & Drew win today.

The "color analyst" for Royals games just has to stop talking.

He must think he gets paid by the word...seriously, stop talking.

You keep cutting Dean off by trying to be funny & stating dumb things all day.

Your role is to add to the game off the lead of the play by play announcer, not monopolize the microphone to create the Harry Dammer Comedy Hour.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 09, 2019, 05:26:04 PM

Scranton has already won so beyond that I'd say Susquehanna, Moravian & Drew win today.

The "color analyst" for Royals games just has to stop talking.

He must think he gets paid by the word...seriously, stop talking.

You keep cutting Dean off by trying to be funny & stating dumb things all day.

Your role is to add to the game off the lead of the play by play announcer, not monopolize the microphone to create the Harry Dammer Comedy Hour.

I'm in the opposite camp on this one, since I enjoy both Harry's analysis and his banter plus Dean increasingly needs help in distinguishing the players from his position 100+ feet away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2019, 08:12:38 PM

Then we agree to disagree.

He's worse than John Sterling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 09, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
The conference playoff teams are set, but who is playing where is still up in the air.  The games between the four playoff teams on Wednesday (Scranton at Drew, Moravian at Susquehanna) will be pivotal in determining who gets on the bus!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2019, 09:25:29 PM
He's a volunteer. Can't get on a guy donating his time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2019, 10:32:35 PM
Congrats to Coach Danzing,his coaching staff and a very young Royals team on a great turn around from last year when you were Senior oriented!!As long as my family has been following this University we are very excited for Danzing and the Royals(should get coach of the year with this turn around)18 years and I have to say his best recruiting class in them years.Keep it going Royals congrats also to the lone senior Jack Connelly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
Hey ronk: sent you a nice article in the paper from scranton times on Casazza from Moravian.Nice article Ithought you would like it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 13, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
2nd regional rankings should come out today.  Middle Atlantic should see a little shakeup with Salisbury, Arcadia, JHU all losing.  I expect Scranton to move up at least one spot...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 13, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
2nd regional rankings should come out today.  Middle Atlantic should see a little shakeup with Salisbury, Arcadia, JHU all losing.  I expect Scranton to move up at least one spot...

They do come out today.

BTW - the biggest reason for a shake up this week is the Results vs. Regionally Ranked Opponents (vRRO) is data that is available now (wasn't in Week 1). vRRO could actually help some of those teams from falling too far and allow others to maybe show up (guessing).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2019, 09:49:10 PM

Looks like the Royals will be headed back to Madison for the first round in the Landmark Playoffs.

Early Vegas line has Drew + 8.

Any chance of an NCAA bid will be riding on that game.....assuming there are no upsets in Towson.  ;)



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2019, 12:37:54 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 13, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
Hey ronk: sent you a nice article in the paper from scranton times on Casazza from Moravian.Nice article Ithought you would like it.

Got it, thanks. He was a factor in both Scranton games, + in Moravian and - in Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2019, 12:53:35 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 13, 2019, 09:49:10 PM

Looks like the Royals will be headed back to Madison for the first round in the Landmark Playoffs.

Early Vegas line has Drew + 8.

Any chance of an NCAA bid will be riding on that game.....assuming there are no upsets in Towson.  ;)

And, despite the loss to Drew tonight, the most likely site of a Royals win next Wednesday would be in Madison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2019, 08:54:17 AM
Alright road warrior mentality but go get that 20th win first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 14, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
 Um was DeVerna sick 2 for 11or just didnt show up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2019, 09:59:09 PM
May have been overly hyped up playing before hometown fans like at least 3 teammates; had an airball on a 3 like 1 of these others; haven't seen that all year. Games before hometown fans have their own additional pressures but may provide incentive to make amends in the replay next Wednesday at the same site. Lets hope so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2019, 07:46:18 PM

No Mancuso again, what happened this time???

Juniata with a nice little upset to close the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
My understanding is a suspension, probably related to his technical from the bench after fouling out earlier @ Drew on Wednesday.
  Nolan played well today; they have him with no blocks, but I thought he had 5 or 6.
  Still, too many turnovers. Logan missed a number of close-in, contested shots; just rolled off the rim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 17, 2019, 12:30:28 AM
 So a 20-5 record is not bad I noticed mary Washington 16-8 will not be in the convo or John Hopkins.So my thought is and it is  my thought Scranton gets in with 20-5 record.Ronk your take
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2019, 01:18:49 AM
For pool C, Scranton will be either 20-6 or 21-6, depending upon which game they lose in the Landmark playoff. They're on the bubble, depending on how many other conference tourneys are lost by teams currently ahead of them(20 pool C picks this year and they're thought to be #18). If that number is 5(a normal happening); they'd be out; 1 or 2 and they're probably in.
  Of course, if they win both games next week, they get the AQ(pool A) and don't worry about pool C
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2019, 02:33:10 AM
Tough season for Catholic. A pretty inexperienced group. Having seen them early in the season, I figured 13-12 and finishing 4th in the conference was the best they could hope for. This team had some structural problems that it could not overcome. This was most likely the worst shooting team coach Howes has ever had at CUA.

The team will only be more inexperienced next season. They lose 2 of their 3 top scorers and return one player who averaged more than 7 points per game. No underclassmen really developed this season. Long-term, this is 3 consecutive seasons of the record being worse than the season prior.

On the plus side, freshman Will Turgeon looks promising. No flashy performances but plays within himself and contributes in different areas. Nice to see Andre Mitchell get to 1000 points and overall have a good senior season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2019, 07:21:23 AM

Rofrog:

As Ronk points out, the Royals will have at least one more game to add to the selection committee resume.

If they win at Drew and then lose away at either Moravian or Susquehanna for the championship, I think they have a chance to get in at 21-6.

If they lose in the first round, I don't see them getting in at 20-6.

Win 2 straight & you take your future out of someone else's control (automatic) also, easier said than done.

I think a win Wednesday on the road against a good team is absolutely necessary for the Royals chances.

CardsEan:

There were spurts that Catholic looked really good in games, they just never seemed to sustain that energy for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
I think the only way to get in is a championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2019, 09:27:16 AM

Probably.

But, this is the NCAA we're talking about & rhyme & reason have never been their calling cards.

As I said, take care of business yourself & you don't have to worry about someone else doing it for you.

Not that I care that much but did Juniata's upset over Susquehanna yesterday cost the River Hawks a home game vs. Moravian?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 17, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
A quality road win on Wednesday plus no major upsets in other conference tourneys may be enough for the Royals, but I'm not banking on it. Too many things could go wrong. So let's go Royals and win the AQ.

But it starts with Drew. A loss there and it's the end of the line for this crew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 17, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2019, 07:21:23 AM

Rofrog:

As Ronk points out, the Royals will have at least one more game to add to the selection committee resume.

If they win at Drew and then lose away at either Moravian or Susquehanna for the championship, I think they have a chance to get in at 21-6.

If they lose in the first round, I don't see them getting in at 20-6.

Win 2 straight & you take your future out of someone else's control (automatic) also, easier said than done.

I think a win Wednesday on the road against a good team is absolutely necessary for the Royals chances.

CardsEan:

There were spurts that Catholic looked really good in games, they just never seemed to sustain that energy for 40 minutes.
Saratoga, consistency was an issue. I was at a number of games where for 10-15 minutes, sometimes even an entire half the team would show flashes of real progress. Too often, a good first half would be followed by a bad second half or vice versa. The home game against Susquehanna was a perfect example. I thought a loss was certain at halftime, but the team played very well in the second half and won. They could never seem to carry over what worked well from one game to the next.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2019, 11:45:09 AM
Landmark semis and finals are postponed a day each because of impending storm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:24 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2019, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 17, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2019, 07:21:23 AM

Rofrog:

As Ronk points out, the Royals will have at least one more game to add to the selection committee resume.

If they win at Drew and then lose away at either Moravian or Susquehanna for the championship, I think they have a chance to get in at 21-6.

If they lose in the first round, I don't see them getting in at 20-6.

Win 2 straight & you take your future out of someone else's control (automatic) also, easier said than done.

I think a win Wednesday on the road against a good team is absolutely necessary for the Royals chances.

CardsEan:

There were spurts that Catholic looked really good in games, they just never seemed to sustain that energy for 40 minutes.
Saratoga, consistency was an issue. I was at a number of games where for 10-15 minutes, sometimes even an entire half the team would show flashes of real progress. Too often, a good first half would be followed by a bad second half or vice versa. The home game against Susquehanna was a perfect example. I thought a loss was certain at halftime, but the team played very well in the second half and won. They could never seem to carry over what worked well from one game to the next.

Did you petition the board to post a non-Scranton topic? Please re-submit paperwork for approval prior to posting such things.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
   With the newest regional rankings, Scranton continues to be(or falls for the 1st time) behind York(1 fewer loss and head-to-head win), Salisbury(2 fewer losses,although Salisbury has 7 more results(5 of them losses))), UMW(3 fewer losses, although UMW has 7 more results(6 of them losses)), Johns Hopkins(3 fewer losses, though 4 fewer results/losses), Arcadia(1-2) and Drew(2-2) vs Scranton's 2-0).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 04:50:02 PM
Scranton's SOS of .508 makes it hard to overcome things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:14:29 PM
 The east is not much better <
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:14:29 PM
The east is not much better <

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
Rochester 528 plattsburgh st 528 Oswego st 518 very low like Scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 11:24:35 PM
Oh .. East Region!

Yes ... their numbers aren't great, though Rochester's 5-1 vRRO is a huge plus. I don't expect the SUNYAC to have more than a bid at this rate (though, admittedly Plattsburgh could make it interesting).

The problem is ... in the Mid-Atlantic, one needs to have a solid SOS to be near the top. That has been the case for years. The East has been weak for years and the lack of at-large bids has shown that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
Dave do they all get in the east that are ranked or could they move to a different region and put  more teams in that region say?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 11:56:15 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
Dave do they all get in the east that are ranked or could they move to a different region and put  more teams in that region say?

No region is guarunteed any spots. One team from each region is at the table - one team is selected as an at large. The region which had a team chosen replaces them with the next ranked team available. Another selection is made.

Some regions have seen all their ranked teams get chosen. Some have seen absolutely none chosen. Not all regions are equal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 20, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
great points Dave thanks .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
Any predictions?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
Well Scranton put them self in a big hole.Got it down to 3 then that was it missing free  throws hurt also.Very young  team.Goodluck to the Landmark Champs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2019, 09:30:34 PM
No quit. Drew's fans were right on the court. Not sure that is the smartest idea.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
 6 offensive fouls by the Royals; have to play smarter than that Came back from down 20 to down 5 with the ball and it gets thrown away. Learning experience - hope they learn.
Slim chance to get to the table for a pool C berth - 4 conference winners ahead of them in rankings won't be considered for at-large. Their low SOS will get bumped up some by playing Drew;others(UMW,Salisbury) playing a quarterfinal game against the lower half of their conference will lose some of their SOS. Scranton will also gain 3 results vs Drew and lose 1(St. Lawrence) in vrro for next rankings. Slim is better than none.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2019, 10:04:59 PM
Had down to 69-66 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
  Congrats to Drew's Nate Aldrich on his career 1st half - 17 pts 6 rebs, 2 blks, 2 steals, 1 assist. He earned the shots; it wasn't bad defense.
  Congrats also to Matt Mancuso for playing ball and keeping his composure in a frenzied environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2019, 09:32:41 AM
Royals went to some pressure that got them back into the game, can we see a bit more of that next year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
 With a young team I thought Scranton might declare to play in the ECAC postseason tourney if they aren't selected for the NCAA, but Drew is the only Landmark team to do so.
NCAA selection show is Monday 12:30 PM.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2019, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 22, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
With a young team I thought Scranton might declare to play in the ECAC postseason tourney if they aren't selected for the NCAA, but Drew is the only Landmark team to do so.
NCAA selection show is Monday 12:30 PM.

The ECACs have fallen heavily out of favor with a lot of schools. It is why the tournaments keep shrinking. It no longer surprises me (and hasn't for about five years) that schools have decided it isn't worth the money to register (once for the season, now for a specific sport) and pay money to the ECAC to participate and THEN pay all the money involved with either traveling or hosting to be involved.

ECAC continues to downsize and eSports may be the only thing that actually keeps it "alive" to any degree in the long-term.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2019, 06:35:53 PM

Looking at the talent on the Royal's starting 5, it's hard to believe they are not playing in the championship game on Sunday.

Then again, it was pretty hard to believe the senior talent on last years team couldn't even make it to the Landmark playoffs.

All things considered, I guess we'd all take this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2019, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 22, 2019, 06:35:53 PM

Looking at the talent on the Royal's starting 5, it's hard to believe they are not playing in the championship game on Sunday.

Then again, it was pretty hard to believe the senior talent on last years team couldn't even make it to the Landmark playoffs.

All things considered, I guess we'd all take this season.

I like the talent Scranton has back. Could be really good in the next few years.

That said, the Landmark could be insanely good next year with how much is coming back for a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2019, 01:15:05 PM

Agreed.

Some nice returning players on most teams.

A strong league from top to bottom is good for everyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 24, 2019, 02:45:58 AM
I would expect Scranton and Susquehanna to be numbers 1 and 2 when the preseason poll comes out. The Royals return their entire starting 5 (I think?) and Susquehanna loses two starters, but none of their double-figure scorers. Moravian loses their two top scorers plus Casazza and a third starter. Drew loses three of their four leading scorers.

Obviously way too early for any solid predictions. New players will come in, certain players may not return for whatever reason, and some role players from this season will progress and some others may not. I like the Royals lineup. They have a year together as a group now and I would think they will win a lot of games next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 24, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
Congratulations to Moravian!

If there was a slim chance for the Royals getting a pool C, it has slimmed to pretty much nothing with Moravian beating up on Drew this afternoon.  Scranton would be the third option in the Landmark, and I highly doubt the selection committee would go that deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
 Looks like Scranton's .489 non conference SOS was a major contributor to non selection for a pool C berth.
Recommend tha part of the schedule be beefed up; the easiest way is to upgrade the teams invited to the Radisson tourney; that way, you don't have to worry about establishing a home-and-home setup; the 2 they played this year won 9 games between them the previous year. If you're only inviting 1 good team, make sure you play them(1st round or in a classic mode).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
ronk - that wasn't the only problem. Scranton didn't finish ranked in the last regional rankings. They were at least behind both Mary Washington and Johns Hopkins on the rankings for a chance to be considered. They also had a .519 SOS (which the non-conference didn't help) and there were several teams who had BETTER WL% than Scranton who didn't get in or didn't get considered.

When you have an SOS (and non-conf SOS) numbers like that ... you have to win.

They did finish 3-3 vRRO, but that would be drastically different as well if they certainly scheduled better .. but also won.

You hit on they have to schedule better (especially at home which is weighted less), but I would encourage they also go on the road a little more if they could to good teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
ronk - that wasn't the only problem. Scranton didn't finish ranked in the last regional rankings. They were at least behind both Mary Washington and Johns Hopkins on the rankings for a chance to be considered. They also had a .519 SOS (which the non-conference didn't help) and there were several teams who had BETTER WL% than Scranton who didn't get in or didn't get considered.

When you have an SOS (and non-conf SOS) numbers like that ... you have to win.

They did finish 3-3 vRRO, but that would be drastically different as well if they certainly scheduled better .. but also won.

You hit on they have to schedule better (especially at home which is weighted less), but I would encourage they also go on the road a little more if they could to good teams.

It was the reason that they weren't ranked 1st among the pool C teams in the region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 11:19:31 PM
Ronk ... no way in hell. They were not even regionally ranked in their region. You think the non-conference was the ONLY reason they not only weren't ranked in the region ... but above both Mary Washington and Johns Hopkins ... plus Arcadia at the very least?

That is not realistic at all. .516 SOS compared Mary Washington's .556, JHU's .573... the non-conference could help the .516, but the conference did a lot to bring that down as well.

Drew was at .525 and Moravian was at .538. Two losses to Drew don't help.

Man ... there was a lot more wrong than the non-conference SOS that kept Scranton from being a realistic Pool C bid this year. YES, they need to improve the non-conference SOS .. but they would have had to have a non-conf SOS of .600 or something ... AND WIN to help themselves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
 The only part of a team's SOS that they can affect is the NCOS; so they have to raise the NCOS; the conference SOS part is out of their control.
  They took care of the win; none of the region's pool C teams had as good a W/L %. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 11:34:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
The only part of a team's SOS that they can affect is the NCOS; so they have to raise the NCOS; the conference SOS part is out of their control.
  They took care of the win; none of the region's pool C teams had as good a W/L %.

That isn't entirely true. I can tell you of multiple conversations I have had with coaches who have had heart to heart conversations with their conferences about better scheduling to help the top of the conferences out. And it has made a difference.

And they didn't take care of the wins, ronk. There is a 26-win team sitting at home right now, La Roche, that also took care of the wins. 20 wins was pretty average to "eh" for any Pool C consideration. That's where not losing to E-Town and Susquehanna (TWICE!) would have helped as well. A lot of 20 win teams were left home. A lot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 11:34:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
The only part of a team's SOS that they can affect is the NCOS; so they have to raise the NCOS; the conference SOS part is out of their control.
  They took care of the win; none of the region's pool C teams had as good a W/L %.

That isn't entirely true. I can tell you of multiple conversations I have had with coaches who have had heart to heart conversations with their conferences about better scheduling to help the top of the conferences out. And it has made a difference.

And they didn't take care of the wins, ronk. There is a 26-win team sitting at home right now, La Roche, that also took care of the wins. 20 wins was pretty average to "eh" for any Pool C consideration. That's where not losing to E-Town and Susquehanna (TWICE!) would have helped as well. A lot of 20 win teams were left home. A lot.

I'm just talking about their standing in the M/A region, not any other region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
It's the same argument, ronk. Doesn't matter what region I am talking about. The national committee is the one who ultimately publishes the rankings and makes sure all regions are working in the same sphere.

And I see many ways Scranton needed to improve their standing in the Mid-Atlantic. I am agreeing their non-conference schedule has got to improve vastly, but what I am also saying is that they also need to win more games especially against opponents with .500 or worse records.

The SOS can be overcome, but not when a team is losing to teams that aren't helping the SOS. Lose to teams which provide significantly better SOS help is better than losing to teams that hurt the SOS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2019, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
It's the same argument, ronk. Doesn't matter what region I am talking about. The national committee is the one who ultimately publishes the rankings and makes sure all regions are working in the same sphere.

And I see many ways Scranton needed to improve their standing in the Mid-Atlantic. I am agreeing their non-conference schedule has got to improve vastly, but what I am also saying is that they also need to win more games especially against opponents with .500 or worse records.

The SOS can be overcome, but not when a team is losing to teams that aren't helping the SOS. Lose to teams which provide significantly better SOS help is better than losing to teams that hurt the SOS.

You are the only one arguing. Ronk is just giving observations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 03:39:42 PM
Grr... just noticed the data sheets I might have been looking at last night were last year's ... working on this. SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 03:39:42 PM
Grr... just noticed the data sheets I might have been looking at last night were last year's ... working on this. SMH

Don't think it'll change anything; I was talking generically(independent of which data sheets are used) that:

Scranton needs to improve its SOS
the easiest way to do that is by improving the NCSOS
the easiest way to do that is by improving the quality of teams invited to its tourney and play them specifically
their W/L % was already higher than any M/A pool C Candidate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:22:23 PM
I agree with all of that. I understand what you are saying about WL, but what I am trying to say is the WL still needs to improve. It is this combination of things. Those teams didn't get in the tournament with better SOS numbers and similiar WL numbers. They all have to improve to some degree. There are teams with better WL numbers who didn't get in (and they had similiar SOS numbers to Scranton).

It ALL has to improve to a larger degree is my point.

I absolutely agree, and have said for years, the non-conference schedule has to improve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Landmark conference awards came out today:

http://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/02272019-mbb-awards

Congratulations to all the student-athletes and Coach Keckler for their honors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM

Two quick observations.

*The issue with the Royals scheduling soft has been happening for too long.
Take a quick look back on their schedule for the past 15 years or so...yawn.

Appears to not be getting any better next year as their Hilton Tournament is bringing in Houghton & Sarah Lawrence.
Please.

*Great to see Logan Bailey rewarded for all his hard work after tearing his ACL last year.
Truly deserving young guy who'll be thrilling Royal fans for 3 more years.

Danzig needs to come up with a true point and the makings are there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM

Two quick observations.

*The issue with the Royals scheduling soft has been happening for too long.
Take a quick look back on their schedule for the past 15 years or so...yawn.

This is very true. When talking to some regarding this topic this season, this is exactly what was pointed out. Whereas on the women's side ... they challenge themselves.

I see it in a lot of interesting places. Whitman, for example, the men are going out and finding tough opponents ... even bringing them in. The women continue to play teams that don't count in the criteria and don't seem to want to even go to the D3hoops.com Classic like the men now do almost routinely (every two years or so).

Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM
Appears to not be getting any better next year as their Hilton Tournament is bringing in Houghton & Sarah Lawrence.
Please.

Ouch. Really?

Ouch.

Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM
Danzig needs to come up with a true point and the makings are there.

This interests me ... I thought he looked more like a solid 2 to play off a point and such.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2019, 12:24:45 AM
Yes, he's a good ball handler for a 2 or 3, but not against many 1 defenders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 01, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
Dave I agree, but the league also needs to get better teams also.Look at Amherst their sos wasnt great until they start playing league games!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 01, 2019, 11:18:05 PM
Congratulations Moravian (on your first tournament win)Good luck
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2019, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 01, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
Dave I agree, but the league also needs to get better teams also.Look at Amherst their sos wasnt great until they start playing league games!

Well sure ... because the entire league, for the most part, schedules well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2019, 03:30:40 AM

Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM
Danzig needs to come up with a true point and the makings are there.

This interests me ... I thought he looked more like a solid 2 to play off a point and such.
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The coach not the player. As in bring in a kid to play pt
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM

Two quick observations.

*The issue with the Royals scheduling soft has been happening for too long.
Take a quick look back on their schedule for the past 15 years or so...yawn.

Appears to not be getting any better next year as their Hilton Tournament is bringing in Houghton & Sarah Lawrence.
Please.


*Great to see Logan Bailey rewarded for all his hard work after tearing his ACL last year.
Truly deserving young guy who'll be thrilling Royal fans for 3 more years.

Danzig needs to come up with a true point and the makings are there.

Houghton(1-24); Sarah Lawrence(14-12).

Wish they would target specific schools rather than a general solicitation. A number of NESCAC schools say they have trouble scheduling non-conference games; one of those, Middlebury, would seem to be a good candidate for these 2 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 06, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2019, 06:17:31 PM

Two quick observations.

*The issue with the Royals scheduling soft has been happening for too long.
Take a quick look back on their schedule for the past 15 years or so...yawn.

Appears to not be getting any better next year as their Hilton Tournament is bringing in Houghton & Sarah Lawrence.
Please.


Maybe Middlebury is the 4th team ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2019, 09:22:33 PM

Unfortunately, probably more like Clarks Summit Bible Institute (0-25).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2019, 08:32:48 PM
Congrats to Logan Bailey on Mid Atlantic Region Rookie of the Year, and Matt Mancuso on 2nd team honors. Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2019, 08:42:22 PM

Agreed.

Both have the ability to be First Team selections this time next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2019, 12:38:18 PM
At least one new coach next season: http://catholicathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190319mjxuwc
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2019, 04:10:29 PM
 I coached Steve Howes 1 year in youth baseball with him being in grade school and high school with my son.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 20, 2019, 08:50:50 PM

My crystal ball sees someone with D-I experience.

Bryce Harper went from DC to Philly so I'm seeing Philly returning the favor.

I have a vision of a bowling ball...no, wait, it's someone's bald head.

It's someone just asked to leave...wait, make that fired.

I'm seeing Widener Univ. & the Univ. of Scranton playing basketball.

Not sure if it's a lottery game but I'm seeing visions of the words BIG 5.

Ok, ok, it's all getting clearer now.

The new coach of CUA is......

Phil Martelli.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 20, 2019, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 20, 2019, 08:50:50 PM

My crystal ball sees someone with D-I experience.

Bryce Harper went from DC to Philly so I'm seeing Philly returning the favor.

I have a vision of a bowling ball...no, wait, it's someone's bald head.

It's someone just asked to leave...wait, make that fired.

I'm seeing Widener Univ. & the Univ. of Scranton playing basketball.

Not sure if it's a lottery game but I'm seeing visions of the words BIG 5.

Ok, ok, it's all getting clearer now.

The new coach of CUA is......

Phil Martelli.

Now that would be something!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on March 22, 2019, 11:09:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2019, 12:38:18 PM
At least one new coach next season: http://catholicathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190319mjxuwc

Guess I haven't been paying attention. Just saw this today. Maybe someone with inside knowledge would have had an inkling this was coming, but I'm really surprised. I wish Coach Howes good luck in all future endeavors. He was an excellent ambassador for the university. He always struck me as someone who really wanted to be the men's basketball coach at CUA. I believe he leaves as the all-time leader in wins. Over 15 years he won 2 of every 3 games he coached at Catholic.

Press release says a national search will begin shortly. I know D-mac knocked down some rumors on Twitter, but I would hope Aaron Kelly is on any list of candidates. He's an alum, his four years bridging Mike Lonergan and Steve Howes. He has Divison 1 experience as an assistant and he's already in the area as an assistant at George Mason. No idea if he would even be interested in the job. I'm excited to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 26, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Personally, I think Aaron Kelly will be considered to some degree. How much is to be determined. However, I think CUA would be crazy not to look at all candidates versus the continued "rumors" that they already have a front runner in Kelly. This will be a highly sought after position and they will get resumes from a lot of very good head and assistant coaches. They need to seriously consider them all and find the right fit.

I don't think schools always do that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 26, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
Mike Lonergan?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2019, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 26, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
Mike Lonergan?  ;)

Maggie Lonergan?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 27, 2019, 07:29:41 PM
      Maggie would be a very interesting gender-reversing choice and a big news item for D3hoops in general. I remember her Catholic women's team defeating a veteran Mike Strong Scranton team in an early-season encounter. That was the last previous Scranton team to make the Final 4 and was its only loss that season before losing to Hope by 3 in the semifinal, arguably the real championship game that year.
      Maggie ran an effective pick-and-roll offense that Scranton had trouble defending; I got the impression that Mike didn't care to make any adjustment, preferring instead to use it as a teaching moment by letting his players try to work through it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2019, 12:49:26 AM
I saw Mike use a lot of tools with his teams depending on who he had for players. I saw him make adjustments and some good ones and I've seen him let them figure it out.

Maggie ... was a heck of a coach. Dare I say ... better than Mike? Mike might even agree with that thought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 28, 2019, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2019, 12:49:26 AM
I saw Mike use a lot of tools with his teams depending on who he had for players. I saw him make adjustments and some good ones and I've seen him let them figure it out.

Maggie ... was a heck of a coach. Dare I say ... better than Mike? Mike might even agree with that thought.
In my previous post concerning Maggie, I was referring to Mike Strong and his women's team, not Mike Lonergan. Sorry for the mixup.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
I thought I followed that thinking for sure, ronk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 19, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 26, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Personally, I think Aaron Kelly will be considered to some degree. How much is to be determined. However, I think CUA would be crazy not to look at all candidates versus the continued "rumors" that they already have a front runner in Kelly. This will be a highly sought after position and they will get resumes from a lot of very good head and assistant coaches. They need to seriously consider them all and find the right fit.

I don't think schools always do that.

Well Aaron Kelly it is. His recruiting background has me nervous as a Royal fan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 19, 2019, 02:11:02 PM
 I don't remember him, but that was in the pre-Landmark days when Scranton played at Catholic only every other year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on April 19, 2019, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 19, 2019, 02:11:02 PM
I don't remember him, but that was in the pre-Landmark days when Scranton played at Catholic only every other year.

13 years does go by quickly. His final game was a 2-point loss to Widener in the first round of the NCAAs. I am genuinely excited by this hire.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2019, 09:54:59 PM
Scranton picked up a commitment today from 6'2" guard Jack Lambert, NYS Class C player of the year from Cooperstown.

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/20190425mbpjhr
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 27, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
He capped his high school basketball experience by recently announcing that his basketball career will continue at the University of Scranton.

"I really felt at home when I visited campus and the coaches are just great guys. They really appreciated my game during the recruiting process and made me feel so welcome when I was there," he said.

https://www.thedailystar.com/sports/cooperstown-lamberts-sweep-the-daily-star-awards/article_e036fe63-a2ea-5964-ab6b-8323b66ee6fa.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 04, 2019, 11:05:04 AM
FYI the university is doing a weekend of giving culminating with the day of giving on 5/06...https://app.mobilecause.com/vf/GOROYALS/team/MensBasketball

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 11:23:24 AM

Love looking at the crowd size in slides 3 & 5 from the Mickey Banas/Billy Bessoir years.

That was when the Royals averaged about 2,800 per home contest.

Scroll to the bottom & catch a glimpse of the 2018/19 "crowd" size.

Obviously a serious disconnect these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2019, 12:58:57 PM
We'll c if it improves this coming season with 2 NCAA tourney-capable and enjoyable teams; if not, better 2 have loved and lost than not at all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 04, 2019, 01:31:45 PM
 ;DPeople like staying home and listening to Dean and Harry
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
videostreaming may be a significant difference in the 2 eras.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 01:53:39 PM

i'm sure video-streaming plays a part, how much remains to be seen.

My concern is that the students themselves never walk out of the dorms or apartments to support the men.

Maybe the Royal faithful will start a trend like the Cubs fans of old who attended the games at Wrigley but listened to Harry.

Royal fans can attend the games & listen to Dean on their I-phones.

Scranton needs to hire someone to do community, university & alumni outreach to get people interested in coming out to 'America's gym" once more.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 09, 2019, 07:34:55 PM
 For anyone who hasn't heard:

  Steve Howes, who resigned recently as Catholic's winningest bball HC, has been named AD @ his high school alma mater, Our Lady of Good Counsel, Olney, MD.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 11, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Just noticed a commitment for the Royals from Stephen Braunstein, a slashing wing who was a 1000 point scorer out of CBA in Lincroft, NJ. 

That's three for the Royals that I know of.  Any other known commitments (for Scranton or other Landmark programs)?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2019, 03:08:19 PM
 I was hoping that he was a ball-handling PG rather than a slashing wing; those r the 3 that I know of - Braunstein, Ryan Ems, and the wing from Cooperstown.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
 Scranton bball has tweeted a 2+ min video of the 3 2019 recruits.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 15, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
Scranton bball has tweeted a 2+ min video of the 3 2019 recruits.

Congratulations to what looks like a small but talented class. I know this may open a big can of worms, but would it be too much to ask for a little diversity on the Royal's roster?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 18, 2019, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 15, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
Scranton bball has tweeted a 2+ min video of the 3 2019 recruits.

Congratulations to what looks like a small but talented class. I know this may open a big can of worms, but would it be too much to ask for a little diversity on the Royal's roster?

Do u mean a 6-10 post player?  ;)

There's actually a prospect who practices at my fitness facility that Ryan says he'll check out this AAU summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 18, 2019, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 15, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
Scranton bball has tweeted a 2+ min video of the 3 2019 recruits.

Congratulations to what looks like a small but talented class. I know this may open a big can of worms, but would it be too much to ask for a little diversity on the Royal's roster?

Another player or two with a last name that ends in a vowel?

From my time as a mutual fund wholesaler many years ago, some of the best Italian food that I have ever consumed was in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area. The absolute best was a little joint in a place called Clarks Summit. One night, I was stopped when walking back to the bathroom. These three guys stopped me and asked me where I was going. I told them, "to the bathroom". They told me that I didn't have to go. I told them that I did. They all moved the left side of their respective jackets a bit to the left and I noticed that they were carrying. I said, "look at that, I don't have to go..........I just pissed myself". We all had a laugh. They went back to the circular table that about 12 people were sitting at and the 3 of them didn't face the table..........they had their seats facing the front door. The head guy was talking out of a voicebox in his neck. I figured it all out at that time. It was the mob. I found out next time eating there that it was the guy who owns all of the car dump/salvage yard places all over NEPA (can see some massive one's from the Northeast extension) and also got involved in gambling as he held many properties in the area for years. I forget his name............but I never forgotten the taste of the bruschita and the veal parmigiana. ;)

Wiseguys and simply indescribable Italian food.....................perfect together. Ronk, I'm guessing that you or any of the older Scranton alums are very aware of the, let's say, the local wiseguys, from your time at Scranton. This dinner was right out of central casting, minus the Joe Pesci character, which was a good thing given his penchant for violence in Goodfellas. :)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
If you are going to accuse someone of being the head of the mob, it's probably best to 'forget' his name.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Okay that went in a different direction. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 18, 2019, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
If you are going to accuse someone of being the head of the mob, it's probably best to 'forget' his name.

He was the head of the J.V. mob.....................not the Varsity. :)

NEPA is not New York or even Philly. That's where the Varsity played. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 18, 2019, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Okay that went in a different direction. ;)

Do u see now how diversity is so hard to achieve?    ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 18, 2019, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
If you are going to accuse someone of being the head of the mob, it's probably best to 'forget' his name.

He was the head of the J.V. mob.....................not the Varsity. :)

NEPA is not New York or even Philly. That's where the Varsity played. ;)
Well, legend has it that Jimmy Hoffa's demise originated from NEPA.  And it wasn't the guy you saw in the restaurant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 19, 2019, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 18, 2019, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 18, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
If you are going to accuse someone of being the head of the mob, it's probably best to 'forget' his name.

He was the head of the J.V. mob.....................not the Varsity. :)

NEPA is not New York or even Philly. That's where the Varsity played. ;)
Well, legend has it that Jimmy Hoffa's demise originated from NEPA.  And it wasn't the guy you saw in the restaurant.

Hoffa's demise was orchestrated in Buffalo, with NEPA's approval (not salvage yard man ;) )

Mom's side came from that lineage. No bachelor's degree required. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 20, 2019, 09:51:56 PM
The Cross County Challenge is no more...

https://kingscollegeathletics.com/news/2019/6/18/mens-hoops-looks-forward-to-busy-2019-20-schedule.aspx

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 21, 2019, 12:21:04 AM
Royals sched is in the pre-post status:

Open w Stevenson @ Home

then Houghton(1-24) in Hilton opener   death blow to SOS, reason they didn't get an at-large last year
don't know the 2nd opponent in the Hilton
then Wilkes, Cabrini, York, DeSales
Wesleyan and Mass-Dartmouth in Miami
Kings, Arcadia

Stevenson adds little to the schedule; we already make 2 trips to Balt/DC each season. Drop them.
  With NJ being our fertile recruiting territory and the many players on the roster, I'd continue to schedule 1 of the projected top 4 NJAC teams in a home-and-home(recently, TCNJ qualified).
  Arcadia adds little; I'd schedule a projected strong Centennial school(Swarthmore, F&M, etc) in a home-and-home.
  And, for the totally discretionary Hilton tipoff tourney, the other 3 teams could be
   1 from the regional UAA teams(Case Western, NYU, Carnegie-Mellon, Rochester, Brandeis)
   1 from the non-Nescac NE(MIT, Albertus Magnus, Nichols St, Jim Calhoun-coached St. Joe(CT))
       I say non-Nescac because they start their season a week or 2 later and won't want to play top competition that early.
   1 from the strong ODAC
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 21, 2019, 11:11:16 AM
Cross County should be the tip off tournament. Having it on Turkey Day weekend and then in Early January made no sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 23, 2019, 05:31:10 PM

Ronk:

The Royals opponent in the Hilton second round game could be that perennial basketball power & SOS enhancer...Sarah Lawrence.   :-\

Some of us remember the good old days Bess would schedule Amherst, Loyola, Hamilton, and small D-1's such as Bucknell, Niagara , Mt. St. Mary's of Md. & that team from West Point on a regular basis.

Now it's the Arcadia's, Houghton's, Sara Lawrence's & Bard's of the world.

Exciting stuff.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 24, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 23, 2019, 05:31:10 PM

Ronk:

The Royals opponent in the Hilton second round game could be that perennial basketball power & SOS enhancer...Sarah Lawrence.   :-\

Some of us remember the good old days Bess would schedule Amherst, Loyola, Hamilton, and small D-1's such as Bucknell, Niagara , Mt. St. Mary's of Md. & that team from West Point on a regular basis.

Now it's the Arcadia's, Houghton's, Sara Lawrence's & Bard's of the world.

Exciting stuff.

What's the compensation for the tournament?  I've noticed quite a disparity between tourney postings on the boards.  It may just be Scranton needs to up the budget to attract better teams.  (I haven't checked myself, just speculating a possibility; I might be wrong.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 24, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 24, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 23, 2019, 05:31:10 PM

Ronk:

The Royals opponent in the Hilton second round game could be that perennial basketball power & SOS enhancer...Sarah Lawrence.   :-\

Some of us remember the good old days Bess would schedule Amherst, Loyola, Hamilton, and small D-1's such as Bucknell, Niagara , Mt. St. Mary's of Md. & that team from West Point on a regular basis.

Now it's the Arcadia's, Houghton's, Sara Lawrence's & Bard's of the world.

Exciting stuff.

What's the compensation for the tournament?  I've noticed quite a disparity between tourney postings on the boards.  It may just be Scranton needs to up the budget to attract better teams.  (I haven't checked myself, just speculating a possibility; I might be wrong.)

This would seem to standard compensation(see below) with the additional kicker that the accommodations would likely be in the host sponsor(Hilton Inns), within walking distance of the Long Center.
  I SPECULATE that they accept the 1st 3 schools that respond to the general invitation, instead of specifically reaching out to better competetive schools. None of those are going to want to play either Houghton or Sarah Lawrence.
  Now, I could understand last year, when Scranton had graduated most of their production and was incorporating many frosh in the rotation, that they might have a modest level opponent for the tourney opener, but not as a matter of course.
York and Randolph-Macon are the only quality teams that have played in the past 6 years.

The University of Scranton is looking for 1 more team to fill our Annual Hilton Invitational Tournament. The Tournament will take place November 15th and November 16th of 2019.

Houghton and Sarah Lawrence are already committed.

Guarantees Include:
$700
8 Rooms for 1 night
Breakfast Saturday Morning
Post-game Meal after each game
Tournament T-Shirts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 25, 2019, 09:26:34 AM
Willie Chanlder on trouble at Mesri. I wonder if he survives.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 25, 2019, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 25, 2019, 09:26:34 AM
Willie Chanlder on trouble at Mesri. I wonder if he survives.

Can you elaborate or at least confirm a few things I've heard through the grapevine? I can say that I've heard from a few parents that his recruiting, let's say, "tactics", are at the very least, interesting. He's buried a few coaches and programs within the MAC and recruits have told those coaches about it when sitting down with them. I don't know if you are talking about this or the bigger picture financial issues that many smaller schools are feeling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 25, 2019, 10:03:58 AM
https://m.citizensvoice.com/news/two-people-including-misericordia-coach-charged-with-assaulting-police-resisting-arrest-1.25003

Unfortunate story I was referring to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 25, 2019, 08:57:38 PM

Ouch!

Certainly not privy to the circumstances but whenever the whole family is arrested by police on a variety of charges, it's never really a good look.

Willie may end up a linebackers coach at Lackawanna before this is over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 29, 2019, 04:38:24 PM
Announcement of Royals' incoming frosh:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20190729l4drqb
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 09, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
The Moravian Coach has moved on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 09, 2019, 05:07:48 PM

Thanks Kate.

Kind of an odd lateral move.

If he was moving on to a power D3 or Asst. at a D-1 that would be one thing but Montclair?

Guess the pay differential at a Jersey state school did the trick.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: guest323 on August 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 09, 2019, 05:07:48 PM

Thanks Kate.

Kind of an odd lateral move.

If he was moving on to a power D3 or Asst. at a D-1 that would be one thing but Montclair?

Guess the pay differential at a Jersey state school did the trick.

NJ public/state school - easier to get kids in and I'm sure he got a salary bump. Timing is interesting.

They are offering $65-68k per year for the next head coach
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2019, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: guest323 on August 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 09, 2019, 05:07:48 PM

Thanks Kate.

Kind of an odd lateral move.

If he was moving on to a power D3 or Asst. at a D-1 that would be one thing but Montclair?

Guess the pay differential at a Jersey state school did the trick.

NJ public/state school - easier to get kids in and I'm sure he got a salary bump. Timing is interesting.

They are offering $65-68k per year for the next head coach

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprised if Montclair was upwards of $80k for the HC position.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 12, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2019, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: guest323 on August 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 09, 2019, 05:07:48 PM

Thanks Kate.

Kind of an odd lateral move.

If he was moving on to a power D3 or Asst. at a D-1 that would be one thing but Montclair?

Guess the pay differential at a Jersey state school did the trick.

NJ public/state school - easier to get kids in and I'm sure he got a salary bump. Timing is interesting.

They are offering $65-68k per year for the next head coach

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprised if Montclair was upwards of $80k for the HC position.

$80K at Montclair???????????????? Damn, what the hell is the head football coach making there given that his team is a mini-admissions department given the number of kids. $125K? $150K?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 13, 2019, 08:32:50 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 12, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2019, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: guest323 on August 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 09, 2019, 05:07:48 PM

Thanks Kate.

Kind of an odd lateral move.

If he was moving on to a power D3 or Asst. at a D-1 that would be one thing but Montclair?

Guess the pay differential at a Jersey state school did the trick.

NJ public/state school - easier to get kids in and I'm sure he got a salary bump. Timing is interesting.

They are offering $65-68k per year for the next head coach

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprised if Montclair was upwards of $80k for the HC position.

$80K at Montclair???????????????? Damn, what the hell is the head football coach making there given that his team is a mini-admissions department given the number of kids. $125K? $150K?

I imagine there's a lot of leeway for the NJAC schools depending on how they classify the coaches and other duties, etc.  It could be a ten month staff position or full-time faculty.  I have no inside information; I was just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they offered a nice package.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 14, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
It looks like William Paterson is the 4th team in the Hilton Invitational.

Quote from: ronk on June 24, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 24, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 23, 2019, 05:31:10 PM

Ronk:

The Royals opponent in the Hilton second round game could be that perennial basketball power & SOS enhancer...Sarah Lawrence.   :-\

Some of us remember the good old days Bess would schedule Amherst, Loyola, Hamilton, and small D-1's such as Bucknell, Niagara , Mt. St. Mary's of Md. & that team from West Point on a regular basis.

Now it's the Arcadia's, Houghton's, Sara Lawrence's & Bard's of the world.

Exciting stuff.

What's the compensation for the tournament?  I've noticed quite a disparity between tourney postings on the boards.  It may just be Scranton needs to up the budget to attract better teams.  (I haven't checked myself, just speculating a possibility; I might be wrong.)

This would seem to standard compensation(see below) with the additional kicker that the accommodations would likely be in the host sponsor(Hilton Inns), within walking distance of the Long Center.
  I SPECULATE that they accept the 1st 3 schools that respond to the general invitation, instead of specifically reaching out to better competetive schools. None of those are going to want to play either Houghton or Sarah Lawrence.
  Now, I could understand last year, when Scranton had graduated most of their production and was incorporating many frosh in the rotation, that they might have a modest level opponent for the tourney opener, but not as a matter of course.
York and Randolph-Macon are the only quality teams that have played in the past 6 years.

The University of Scranton is looking for 1 more team to fill our Annual Hilton Invitational Tournament. The Tournament will take place November 15th and November 16th of 2019.

Houghton and Sarah Lawrence are already committed.

Guarantees Include:
$700
8 Rooms for 1 night
Breakfast Saturday Morning
Post-game Meal after each game
Tournament T-Shirts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on August 15, 2019, 07:16:25 AM
Check out the size of Montclair camps... regardless of the definite salary bump amount, that alone will make it financially worth wild. Better league with better assistant positions too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on September 24, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
Any idea which Landmark schools have the best incoming freshmen?

I can imagine Scranton, Catholic, and Drew have really strong classes coming in, haven't really heard much about other commits...

Rosters aren't quite updated yet, gotta figure with the new coach coming in that CUA is gonna be locked and loaded for the class of 2020!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 24, 2019, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: NJBALLERZ on September 24, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
Any idea which Landmark schools have the best incoming freshmen?

I can imagine Scranton, Catholic, and Drew have really strong classes coming in, haven't really heard much about other commits...

Rosters aren't quite updated yet, gotta figure with the new coach coming in that CUA is gonna be locked and loaded for the class of 2020!

Or it could be the case that any recruits for 2019 were done by the coach who left rather than by the new incoming coach; I know 1 of the coaching staff but I haven't talked with him since the change.
Scranton does have a nice incoming class of 3 but they only graduated 1, hence the low #.
Moravian might be in a tougher spot than Catholic since their HC was only recently named.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 25, 2019, 08:17:00 PM

Well, according to today's update, Scranton is looking to start a home & home relationship with a school within 2 to 3 hours of campus in early Nov. next year and at the very same time, Swarthmore is also looking to start something at precisely the same time frame.

Let's make the call & get these two playing one another. A match made in heaven.

Lose the Arcadia's and Neumann's and book the better teams from the Centennial.

Still can't figure out why the Royal's don't have standing games with Muhlenberg & Ursinus as they're only an hour & a half away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 26, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
Ah welcome back everyone, it was a long summer.

Scranton's class is small; but looks like they are talented.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on September 27, 2019, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 25, 2019, 08:17:00 PM

Well, according to today's update, Scranton is looking to start a home & home relationship with a school within 2 to 3 hours of campus in early Nov. next year and at the very same time, Swarthmore is also looking to start something at precisely the same time frame.

Let's make the call & get these two playing one another. A match made in heaven.

Lose the Arcadia's and Neumann's and book the better teams from the Centennial.

Still can't figure out why the Royal's don't have standing games with Muhlenberg & Ursinus as they're only an hour & a half away.

Love this - would be really cool if the Landmark and Centennial had some sort of tournament annually where they had cross league tournaments.. similar to a big ten / big east challenge. I know that this idea is difficult since there aren't as many non league games for the Landmark (8 teams) as there is for the Centennial (10 teams).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 29, 2019, 11:31:23 AM

Agreed.

If the Landmark & Centennial got together and discussed this, I'm sure there is a way schools from each conference could, for example, start the season with the first two games vs. each other (one home/one away) then reverse the following year then years 3 & 4 move on to 2 new teams & repeat.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 02, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
Royals' commit:

Zack Rovinsky  6-7  Western Wayne High School(PA)

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8878038/5c73fe029676cd15e41047b8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 03, 2019, 01:16:09 PM
Nice find Ronk. Needs to get on that Scranton meal plan ASAP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 03, 2019, 05:51:21 PM

Looks like a great find for next year.

Some nice moves down low, can go to his left hand & he'll fit in perfectly with the long line of wings from 6'6" to 6'8" at Scranton that love to let it fly from the corners.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 20, 2019, 04:42:44 PM

The Royal's 2019-20 roster is posted.

Probably the deepest they've had in many years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 28, 2019, 08:57:52 PM
Scranton scrimmaged D-2 Molloy College on Long Island. Both school's social media tight lipped on results.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 28, 2019, 08:57:52 PM
Scranton scrimmaged D-2 Molloy College on Long Island. Both school's social media tight lipped on results.

Not that uncommon. Scrimmages I don't believe are allowed any publicity in the DIII ranks (exhibitions have different rules). I also know many coaches who also close the doors to scrimmages. There are so many different "rules" and circumstances for these things that they are hard to read into in the first place (like three "halves" of basketball LOL).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on October 31, 2019, 03:13:02 AM
!Notice d3hoops has there preseason top 25 out nice job Royals stay under the radar even though you didnt lose a player-player!This team will improve on that 6 losses last year and they are very young Deverna,Mancuso Seniors will guide the ship! They have the youngsters like Danzing,Bosland,Brockett,Bailey then the surrounding cast plus the studs of freshman!So this will be a very exciting year for the Royals.See you the 9th
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
The season starts in two days, does the conference want to release a pre-season poll?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 06, 2019, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
The season starts in two days, does the conference want to release a pre-season poll?

Ask, and ye shall receive:  https://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/11062019-mbb-preseason-poll
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on November 06, 2019, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
The season starts in two days, does the conference want to release a pre-season poll?

Ask, and ye shall receive:  https://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/11062019-mbb-preseason-poll

When is Scranton going to go undefeated and be Ranked #1 in the nation?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 06, 2019, 06:20:06 PM

Man, that's one heck of a writeup by the powers to be of the Landmark.

Really goes in depth as to players coming back, updates from the coaches & overview of how the freshmen have looked so far.

Quite the expose' for sure.

Nice, personal & it says so much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2019, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 06, 2019, 06:20:06 PM
Man, that's one heck of a writeup by the powers to be of the Landmark.

Really goes in depth as to players coming back, updates from the coaches & overview of how the freshmen have looked so far.

Quite the expose' for sure.

Nice, personal & it says so much.

Your sarcasm is evident and it's really a cheap shot. This time of year, conference offices are dealing with fall championships on top of the beginning of the basketball season, and an in-depth "exposé" of men's basketball would mean the conference is putting itself on the hook for doing the same thing for the other NINETEEN sports the Landmark Conference sponsors.

That isn't realistic. The schools can publicize themselves in that regard if they so choose, rather than spend what I estimate would be more than a week's worth of someone's time over the course of a year compiling, vetting and writing and editing that information which you demand.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2019, 07:54:11 AM

Sorry Pat but I completely disagree.

It's about time the Landmark starts establishing itself as a conference ahead of the curve.

There is absolutely no reason they can't establish a process to provide a quality in-depth overview of the various mens & women's teams.

If there is no one at the home office capable of pulling this off, then they should have each team's assigned SID take it over on rotational yearly basis.

If the other sports want the same PR, let the coaches each submit an overview of their teams before the completely lacking "top picks" are voted on.

Time for the Landmark to start marketing itself far more than they have and start thinking out of the box a little more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warriors on November 07, 2019, 08:24:33 AM
I had exactly the same reaction when I saw the pre season rankings...I kept scrolling down for the prose about the upcoming year.  The pre season polls/analysis are intended to get you interested in the upcoming year and potential players.  It left me wondering why they do it at all. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
It is about an hour or two of work...

Scranton...Return everyone, a few lines on their starting 5
Drew....Return their stud guard, all American candidate, etc
Moravian...New Coach...
Catholic...New Coach, transfer from Siena


Etc,etc...

I really don't see it as a cheap shot...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2019, 11:05:28 AM
I definitely invite you guys to contact the conference office, then, with your feedback. Posting it here is just griping.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2019, 12:43:34 PM
Considering many facts, including the one that basketball season now starts a week earlier - smack in the middle of fall championships, I think it is a bit crazy to expect a full press release on a preseason poll ... this week.

Maybe the conference needs to examine the timing of things moving forward. I noticed that the Centennial and ODAC both released their polls with press releases last week and the prior week (respectively). That gives their conference office time to get that stuff done in a timely manner before being buried with fall championships (again, which have moved; past schedule would have been easier).

But, the Landmark releases the info this week for whatever reason. That means the voting took place probably in the last week. That puts the release right in the middle of arguably the busiest week(s) of the entire academic year. Maybe the better idea moving forward is to shift the preseason ballot a week earlier. That probably gives the conference office a better chance to get more info put together.

There are a couple of other things to consider:

- The Landmark office has gone through a lot of changes in the last year including a brand new commissioner hired in July. There is probably an element of still trying to get up to speed on many things. I am also told the office is still split between two different geographic locations - 6-7 hours apart depending on your driving abilities. I have no idea how long that will continue, though in this day-in-age it isn't nearly as big a deal as it used to be. However, that could be at play. I'm giving the office a little bit of latitude as a result.

- Many of you can bang out a few notes on a few teams, but no one here can say they can get a full breakdown of every team here worthy of publication without spending quite a few hours on it over a few days. Let's just be realistic. Even with my experience and knowledge it would take me quite a bit of time. At least to put together a release to the standard some of you are apparently looking to read.

- Not every conference has publicized their releases. The scuttlebutt in the conference predictions board is that the UAA has released the info, but they have nothing on their website about it. I think we all would contend the UAA is one of the top conferences and they certainly have the resources, but they haven't even gotten a release out (the Landmark at least has a release). In other words: it isn't the end of the world.

- Do we really need a conference poll? I am starting to wonder if they are necessary. I have found them helpful when in the middle of a season I see trends going in a different direction, but do we really care? Especially a poll where you can't vote for your program. Let me remind you of the one a few years ago (Tom Rose's first season) where CUA felt it necessary to vote for Goucher(!) as their number one vote. I asked about it and the vote was considered legit, but I always have felt it was a smoke-screen because CUA didn't want to vote for Scranton. When coaches vote, more times than not it becomes political. So who really cares about these and why should they exist. FYI - there are conferences that don't do them. SUNYAC is one off the top of my head (though apparently only in the basketball sports).

I was also reading about another conference that has coaches and SIDs voting and the results were somewhat surprising. The idea being, some wondered if something was amiss or their own thinking of the conference didn't have all the info. These things get convoluted a lot of the time.

- Ultimately, it is the school's that will do the best publicizing of these anyway. How many of us really go to the conference websites to read their release about the conference poll? I barely do. I just don't expect the conference to really give me that kind of breakdown. I am happy to visit school sites to get their spin if I really need it. I don't think it's necessary to bash the conference which does have a hundred other things to spend their time on. I applaud the ODAC and others who do bang-up work (JJ Nekeloff is one of the best in the business at any level), but I also wonder if he could save himself the hassle.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2019, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 07, 2019, 07:54:11 AM

Sorry Pat but I completely disagree.

It's about time the Landmark starts establishing itself as a conference ahead of the curve.

There is absolutely no reason they can't establish a process to provide a quality in-depth overview of the various mens & women's teams.

If there is no one at the home office capable of pulling this off, then they should have each team's assigned SID take it over on rotational yearly basis.

If the other sports want the same PR, let the coaches each submit an overview of their teams before the completely lacking "top picks" are voted on.

Time for the Landmark to start marketing itself far more than they have and start thinking out of the box a little more.

Ahhhhhh yes...................first world problems for sure ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 10, 2019, 12:22:34 AM
Let's get back on track! Nice win Coach Danzig!Logan,Danzig etc the youngs look good!Mancuso fouled out as a senior you think he would learn!If Mancuso can stay in the game this team has a chance he needs to calm down and hopefully he does!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 17, 2019, 10:13:55 AM
Didn't have a chance to see the games this weekend, but one thing that jumped out at me:  only 2 points from the bench yesterday.  You're not going to win many games with that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 01:48:29 PM
That's for sure.

They lost the bench points battle something like 21 or 22 to 2.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2019, 10:10:21 AM
Have to play forty minutes. They ran out of time trying to dig out of a hole....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 18, 2019, 07:59:59 PM

Guess Top 10 votes are out of the question yet again?  :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2019, 06:46:01 PM
Wilkes is 4-0. They just bumped off our friend from Moravians new team Montclair State. Need a complete game tomorrow
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2019, 06:45:27 PM

Let's see which version of the Royals shows up tonight.

The one with lots of potential if they play hard for 40 minutes or the one that reads a little too much into their press clippings.

Could be only the second time Wilkes has defeated the Royals in the past 15 years.

Old Izzy will have his charges ready...will Coach D?

As much as it pains me...

Wilkes 84/Scranton 72.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2019, 07:43:25 PM
 At the half, the Royals r playing their best ball of the season, leading Wilkes 47-26. Mancuso has a double/double already and along with his sub FR Ryan Ems, the post players have 20 rebs. The defense is playing well helping each other and the 3-pt shooting is 50%.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2019, 07:45:51 PM
Wilkes video went down for a while but is back up. Nice response from the Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2019, 08:58:59 PM

Love to be so wrong when the Royals play that well.

if they can bottle that first half & use it as a training video, they'll be fine.

Great to see Matt play under control & not go for every head & ball fake thrown at him.

Wilkes was clearly going after him early to get him in foul trouble & he didn't allow that.

Great win all around...now if he can only start giving more minutes to the freshman Jack Lambert.

I mean he's only scored 1,700 points in high school, threw in 53 in a New York Final Four game last season & was named one of four New York Players of the Year.

Don't think there are any other guards on the team getting nice minutes with that pedigree.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2019, 09:52:15 AM
can i give some kudos to the folks at NEPABASKETBALL.Com  ....somewhere to at least get quotes and stories on North East PA basketball, including high school and alumni at all levels of NCAA Basketball.

For example, this morning a story on Jackson Danzig moving off of the Point Guard position in favor of Kyle Deverna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 24, 2019, 10:50:21 AM

Good point.

The Scranton Times won't show up until February & playoff time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 26, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Congrats to Matt Mancuso on being named national DIII player of the week. 

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191126jknkrq

It's good to see him recognized after a monster game like he had on Saturday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2019, 08:31:19 AM
Yes, well deserved. A grind it out effort against Cabrini!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
Totally out hustled tonight by York.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2019, 09:10:15 PM

NEPA:
Right you are.
Unfortunately, I think we've all seen this version of Royal men's basketball year after year after year.
Talented teams on paper that never quite put it all together for an extended period of time.
Hope they get up for the big Sarah Lawrence rivalry game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 04, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
Agreed.  York got 14 offensive rebounds and seemed to get to every loose ball.  Scranton actually shot better than York, but when you give up 11 more shots (64 for York vs. Scranton's 53) a few more are bound to go in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
Can I also vent. Maybe I'm living in the past but the place was empty tonight. Dave Martin is doing a great job but can he working on getting some butts in seats? They are averaging 250 a game and zero students unless you count the cheerleaders.

Drew smacked down Kings tonight in other action ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 04, 2019, 10:15:02 PM
Something has to give with the guys.They definetly and I mean definetly need a PG.Danzing teams play like he coaches bottom line.smh0
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2019, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
Can I also vent. Maybe I'm living in the past but the place was empty tonight. Dave Martin is doing a great job but can he working on getting some butts in seats? They are averaging 250 a game and zero students unless you count the cheerleaders.

Drew smacked down Kings tonight in other action ..

I used to attribute the dropoff in student support to the academic calendar - finals in Dec and no students on campus from then to Feb - but now I'm thinking that they're more concerned with academics and social media than to support their fellow students at the games. Last nite would have been an attractive opponent for an entertaining Royals' team, yet no students.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 05, 2019, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
Can I also vent. Maybe I'm living in the past but the place was empty tonight. Dave Martin is doing a great job but can he working on getting some butts in seats? They are averaging 250 a game and zero students unless you count the cheerleaders.

Drew smacked down Kings tonight in other action ..

I used to attribute the dropoff in student support to the academic calendar - finals in Dec and no students on campus from then to Feb - but now I'm thinking that they're more concerned with academics and social media than to support their fellow students at the games. Last nite would have been an attractive opponent for an entertaining Royals' team, yet no students.

It is a different student these days..................but don't get me started. Social media and vaping take precedence. It's not just Scranton........but it is sad to see the place so empty. Was never the case in the Bessoir days!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 06, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
JWC I totally agree even his teams that went 15-10.Them kids played with a chip on there  shoulder and played hard!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 06, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
JWC I totally agree even his teams that went 15-10.Them kids played with a chip on there  shoulder and played hard!

Spot on Rofrog!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
 Royals knock off DeSales tonite after semester finals break. Jack Brockett still missing from lineup after injury in Goucher game 9 days ago. Ben Bosland replaced him as the starter, coming up with 7 assists. Love to watch Ben pass.
  Still time to jump on the Royals' bandwagon. Entertaining team to watch. Bandwagon leaves the Long Center shortly; next stop, Miami, to play a NESCAC team, Bates, on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 16, 2019, 10:46:29 PM
Did Ems play tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2019, 11:15:42 PM
No
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2019, 11:53:55 PM

"Still time to jump on the Royals bandwagon"?

I'll take a pass for right now...I think I know the ending to this movie.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
https://goeasterneagles.com/sports/2019/11/25/HoopMia2019.aspx

Here is the page for the Shootout that the Royals are going to be a part of. Enjoy while you wrap some presents; sip your egg nogg and try to stay warm.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2019, 09:41:34 AM

Good find.

Thanks, NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2019, 09:41:34 AM

Good find.

Thanks, NEPA.

Yes, thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 18, 2019, 10:27:04 PM
Gritty win by the Royals tonight over Bates in Miami.  Down 16 with just over 9 minutes to go, they whittle it down to an 8 point deficit over the next 5 minutes, and then score the last 12 points of the game to win 68-64.  Another strong game for Mancuso with 22 and 9.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
 Yes, the bandwagon suffered a flat tire early in the 2nd half when they went down by 16, mostly due to at least 3 1-on-1 moves that failed miserably and a Bates reserve going 7-9 on 3s, many of which were 5' behind the arc.
  Royals hopefully learned that 1-on-1 is not their strength.
  Looks like the gap between the NESCAC and the Landmark widens in view that Scranton thought to be the best of Landmark and Bates near the bottom of the Nescac.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2019, 11:16:02 PM
Bates scored 2 points in the last 6+ minutes. Are they really projected to be at bottom of the NESCAC?

They get Jim Calhouns squad tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2019, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2019, 11:16:02 PM
Bates scored 2 points in the last 6+ minutes. Are they really projected to be at bottom of the NESCAC?

They get Jim Calhouns squad tomorrow.

They aren't expected in the top half ... Amherst, Colby, Hamilton, Middlebury, Tufts, Wesleyan, Middlebury, and maybe Williams ahead of them ... off the top of my head (and in alphabetical order). Bates may surprise, but it will be a very difficult hill to climb.

But the gap between the Landmark and the NESCAC is pretty large. NESCAC is one of the Top 5 conferences year in and year out in Division III (in nearly all sports, as well). Landmark ... is in the middle somewhere. Not lower half, but not in top 15.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2019, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 18, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Yes, the bandwagon suffered a flat tire early in the 2nd half when they went down by 16, mostly due to at least 3 1-on-1 moves that failed miserably and a Bates reserve going 7-9 on 3s, many of which were 5' behind the arc.
  Royals hopefully learned that 1-on-1 is not their strength.
  Looks like the gap between the NESCAC and the Landmark widens in view that Scranton thought to be the best of Landmark and Bates near the bottom of the Nescac.

Bandwagon would have gone off the road, down a ditch and into a river if they didn't come back...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2019, 03:31:11 PM
 just a minor setback; this bandwagon has enough going for it to overcome any bumps in the road. Plenty of room left at this point. All aboard!    :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2019, 01:38:12 PM
Royals escape with another win in Miami, as much as they tried to give it away.  They were too casual with the ball, especially in the backcourt, and gave up too many points off of turnovers.  They didn't finish consistently around the basket.  They were beaten off of the dribble.  Yet they pulled it out.  Hopefully they can tighten things up during their two week break!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
my heart can't take this. Lot of missed chippees in the first half. BIG 3 buy BOSLAND.


Work to be done, hope the boys get some beach time though!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 20, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
My question is-What is wrong with Ems is he hurt or just in Carls  dog house?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2019, 06:13:41 PM

Emms will be like John Vitkus...2 years of quiet study under big man zen master Carl & then his junior & senior years he'll be an unstoppable force. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2019, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 20, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
My question is-What is wrong with Ems is he hurt or just in Carls  dog house?

You want him to play over Genachevich?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
 Turned the game on a few mins late. With no audio or graphics, I thought the Royals were rolling on a 13-0 run; didn't find out til later in the half that they were down 17-5 b4 the run started.
  That was the most animated play from Bosland in his 1 1/2 seasons.
  The bandwagon needs a tuneup - too many fruitless 1-on-1 moves. Next stop - back @ the Long Center for Kings.
  For the benefit of recent Royals' fans(any 1 under the age of 60), a Scranton-Kings game was 1 of the top 10 rivalry games in college bball. The home court at the time(Scranton CYC, now the home of Lackawanna JC) would be filled to capacity(4000), twice the enrollment of the 2 schools combined.
  When the game moved to the Long Center(new home - 2800 capacity), hundreds were turned away at the door and 50 Scranton Swat team police were massed to handle the situation.
  1 of those games was a 3OT thriller 117-112 for Scranton preceded by a skirmish on the court between fans from both sides. The Msgr director of the CYC threatened to call off the game if there was anymore trouble. The soph star of Kings(Tom Hamm) had 45 pts and Scranton's Little All-American(Bill Witaconis) had 42.
  This was when Scranton and Kings played home-and-home in the same season, even though they weren't in the same conference.
  Alas, no more, not for many years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 20, 2019, 09:18:07 PM
Most definite.Genesavitch likes shooting 3s I like a guy that likes to stay low and bang like Henry Condron,Derrick Elphick and like Saratoga mentioned Vitkus!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 21, 2019, 02:02:47 AM
So far it looks like Drew, Susquehanna, and Moravian will be battling it out for the 2-4 positions in the league. I don't think Scranton has done anything to weaken their firm grip as preseason favorite.

I saw Drew in person when they were in DC to play Catholic at the start of the month. Solid team, but they struggled to pull away from Catholic for a while in that game. Also, I wonder about the strength of their schedule so far. But with upcoming games against Hopkins, either Stevens or TCNJ, Rutgers-Newark, and Carnegie Mellon we'll know more soon.

Moravian seems to be defending very well but a quick glance at their stats suggests they're struggling to shoot.

Obviously it's still early, but I would be surprised if these 4 aren't the 4 teams in the conference tournament. Elizabethtown, Juniata, Catholic, and Goucher all appear to have real structural weaknesses that will prevent them from winning consistently in the league.

As for Catholic, it continues to be a work in progress. The roster is very low on experience with 10 players who are either freshman or sophomores, and frankly many of the sophomores were simply not in the plan last season. The team is playing with great energy but they simply cannot score consistently, which is to be expected given the inexperience. The noticeable change at the defensive end of the floor has been most welcome. The team is expending much more energy there this season than in the recent past. They have defended well enough to be in every game. All in all, this season will bring a number of losses but the promise of progress is there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
 Is the Cards' Riley Hayes injured? He's a quality player, worthy of all-conference consideration.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 21, 2019, 12:03:12 PM

CardsFan,

That's a pretty reasonable assessment of the conference at this point in the season.

I'm sure the Cards will be back fighting for contention sooner rather than later.

However, never underestimate the ability of the Royals to abruptly fade into obscurity around February.

As for me, I'm not purchasing a ticket for this train until Hoboken.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 21, 2019, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 21, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
Is the Cards' Riley Hayes injured? He's a quality player, worthy of all-conference consideration.

He last played on November 23rd against Stevens. The post-game recap after the next game against Marymount stated that he missed the game through injury. That's 17 points and 11 rebounds per game currently missing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 21, 2019, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 21, 2019, 12:03:12 PM

CardsFan,

That's a pretty reasonable assessment of the conference at this point in the season.

I'm sure the Cards will be back fighting for contention sooner rather than later.

However, never underestimate the ability of the Royals to abruptly fade into obscurity around February.

As for me, I'm not purchasing a ticket for this train until Hoboken.

Saratoga, you guys see Scranton much more frequently than I do so I probably tend to overestimate them a bit. You guys have a more realistic view of where the team is now. Right now I think that Scranton is further along offensively and defensively than anyone else in the league. My view is that the road games at Drew and at Susquehanna will be the toughest tests and both of those happen before January is over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
Anyone catch the Drew -Hopkins game? Drew also playing TCNJ right now down by 6 at Half...curious about thoughts on Drew...Collins is a stud..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 01, 2020, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
Anyone catch the Drew -Hopkins game? Drew also playing TCNJ right now down by 6 at Half...curious about thoughts on Drew...Collins is a stud..

Riley Collins has been a Ranger for 10 years it seems like, and I only watch the Landmark from a far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2020, 02:27:04 PM
210 at the Long Center yesterday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2020, 03:53:34 PM
 Somewhat under the 4000 that attended when I played in the early '60s. The times - they r a-changing. Kings played them tough last year in an otherwise dismal year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 06, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2020, 02:27:04 PM
210 at the Long Center yesterday.

WOW!!!!!! I'm speechless................
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2020, 07:23:16 PM

Truly unbelievable.

They honestly need to hire someone with a PR background to get this corrected.

I'm sure Bess has a few ideas
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
Attendance for many is down. There are plenty of reasons ... I hate saying it, but a PR person isn't going to necessarily going to solve it and the expense of having someone on staff to do that probably isn't justified.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2020, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 06, 2020, 11:48:55 PM
From the optimistic calendar forecast dept.:
After hosting the 1st weekend NCAA tourney games, the Royals will have to go on the road for the round of 16 since the Lady Royals will have hosting priority the 2nd weekend.  ;)

Very optimistic ... at this juncture of the season.

But that was going to be the case no matter what the men's tournament structure was going to be this year. LOL

Reminder to those who don't know: in even numbered years, women have priority to host the first weekend; men the second weekend (it is flipped in odd numbered years). And no, hosting both because the men only have one game is no longer allowed. The previous allowances basically started to unravel in 2013 when the men had a different structure to their tournament the first time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2020, 12:59:31 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2020, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 06, 2020, 11:48:55 PM
From the optimistic calendar forecast dept.:
After hosting the 1st weekend NCAA tourney games, the Royals will have to go on the road for the round of 16 since the Lady Royals will have hosting priority the 2nd weekend.  ;)

Very optimistic ... at this juncture of the season.

But that was going to be the case no matter what the men's tournament structure was going to be this year. LOL

Reminder to those who don't know: in even numbered years, women have priority to host the first weekend; men the second weekend (it is flipped in odd numbered years). And no, hosting both because the men only have one game is no longer allowed. The previous allowances basically started to unravel in 2013 when the men had a different structure to their tournament the first time.

Ok, I had the years/genders wrong anyway so I've deleted the msg. Instead, it'll be business as usual:  ;)
Royals playing an early tourney game on the road videostreamed during the Lady Royals' pregame reception, then walking over to the Long Center for the Ladies' 1st round game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2020, 08:36:55 AM

Ronk:

That sounds about right.

While the Lady Royals fans enjoy a cocktail reception followed by their home game, the men are off to some unforgiving site where their season will probably unceremoniously come to an abrupt end.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2020, 07:23:16 PM

Truly unbelievable.

They honestly need to hire someone with a PR background to get this corrected.

I'm sure Bess has a few ideas

Get a Communications Major and give me a Internship/Work Study......let's see if the attendance gets any better with the doubleheader's..

Also Drew with a buzzer beater to beat Carnegie Mellon....they are looking really good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2020, 07:23:16 PM

Truly unbelievable.

They honestly need to hire someone with a PR background to get this corrected.

I'm sure Bess has a few ideas

Get a Communications Major and give me a Internship/Work Study......let's see if the attendance gets any better with the doubleheader's..

Also Drew with a buzzer beater to beat Carnegie Mellon....they are looking really good.

What did the transfer from DelVal (Robinson) have? It looks like he's made a difference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2020, 07:23:16 PM

Truly unbelievable.

They honestly need to hire someone with a PR background to get this corrected.

I'm sure Bess has a few ideas

Get a Communications Major and give me a Internship/Work Study......let's see if the attendance gets any better with the doubleheader's..

Also Drew with a buzzer beater to beat Carnegie Mellon....they are looking really good.

What did the transfer from DelVal (Robinson) have? It looks like he's made a difference.

Lybrant Robinson had 23 including 5-12 on 3-pters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
Terrible loss again by the Men.I swear every year is a repeat and getting tired of it!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
Terrible loss again by the Men.I swear every year is a repeat and getting tired of it!!!

They almost were outscored by 1 player...what was the strategy to shut him down?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2020, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
Terrible loss again by the Men.I swear every year is a repeat and getting tired of it!!!

They almost were outscored by 1 player...what was the strategy to shut him down?

Very few teams have been successful at that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Some teams did- they do have 6 losses.These are the games that kill Scranton every year come tournament time and it is the same **** this year.It is getting old real old!!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2020, 10:47:05 PM
Regardless of the talent level, the years all seem to end up the same.

Win the games they clearly should.

Lose the games they clearly should.

Lose most of the toss up games.

They've just never been able to go on a consistent roll and play inspired basketball for a full season.

The next stop for the Royal Express must be Willoughby.

[edited to remove 46 blank lines at bottom of post/pc]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2020, 12:10:43 AM
 A problem of insufficient offensive discipline appearing once again: too many 1-on-1 drives into traffic, resulting in turnovers, 2 assists by halftime. Arcadia had no one to stop our post player in the paint; he should have gotten the ball whenever he was in there; no one stops him except himself(4 poor judgment fouls).
As for defense, I'm from the school that u don't let the other team's best player beat u; u make the lesser players do what they're not used to doing(carrying the load when #1 option is stymied). Coach Danzig didn't seem to be his usual demonstrative self, allowing the players to work through the problems, possibly hoping for a longer-range big picture a-ha moment for the team.
  The problems are mostly mental and discipline which are more easily correctable than physical ability or effort lapses.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 08, 2020, 10:47:05 PM

The next stop for the Royal Express must be Willoughby.

+K.....



Also they couldn't hit a three......1-13 at one point I believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Some teams did- they do have 6 losses.These are the games that kill Scranton every year come tournament time and it is the same **** this year.It is getting old real old!!

A team can still have one player be unstoppable and still lose ... it isn't unheard of. Even the Chicago Bulls of the 90s lost games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Or Andy Panko!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2020, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Or Andy Panko!

I believe Andy's dad was a U of S golfer sometime around when I attended; we certainly missed out on Andy Jr as a legacy baller; may have been another championship to add to the list.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
But on the plus side, you missed out on Andy Sr. as a helicopter dad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2020, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 09, 2020, 12:10:43 AM
Coach Danzig didn't seem to be his usual demonstrative self, allowing the players to work through the problems, possibly hoping for a longer-range big picture a-ha moment for the team.
  The problems are mostly mental and discipline which are more easily correctable than physical ability or effort lapses.

This is concerning none the less. I think Drew is the front runner for the Conference. Scranton can't afford the trip ups we saw last year at ETOWN and Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
 Preseason-wise, I would have Scranton as the favorite because every other contender lost more through graduation. However, Drew picked up a Xfer from Del Valley(Lybrant Robinson) who has made up the disparity such that they are an equally probable choice. I see Moravian,Susquehanna, and E-town battling for the other 2 playoff spots. Susquehanna has been missing their best player(Dominic Dunn). Catholic doesn't seem to be strong enough to contend but should finish above Juniata and Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2020, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
But on the plus side, you missed out on Andy Sr. as a helicopter dad.

You are going back 20 years to take a shot at a guy? What is the statue of limitations on this...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
Not as far back as going back to talk about college golfing days!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2020, 05:03:37 PM

I don't think there were helicopter parents back when Andy played.

At that time they were just known as pains in the a--.

Susquehanna still missing Dominick Dunn...must be finishing up another novel. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2020, 05:18:12 PM
I'm definitely retroactively assigning that description, for sure.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
I can't resist:
  I think Sr became a medical doctor - do u think his specialty was gastroenterology?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
Panko was almost at Scranton with Fisher!(Little tidbit)Remember going down to LV Fishers Sr year and Pankos.I think they beat Scranton by 17 .But the game before that we saw a rising star in Henry Condron he had a game against Albright!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 09, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
I have a name Kermit Sharp out of Clark University.Talk about a scorer!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 10, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 09, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Preseason-wise, I would have Scranton as the favorite because every other contender lost more through graduation. However, Drew picked up a Xfer from Del Valley(Lybrant Robinson) who has made up the disparity such that they are an equally probable choice. I see Moravian,Susquehanna, and E-town battling for the other 2 playoff spots. Susquehanna has been missing their best player(Dominic Dunn). Catholic doesn't seem to be strong enough to contend but should finish above Juniata and Goucher.

A few weeks back I suggested that Scranton should remain firm favorites. Drew has played 4 decent teams since then and beaten 3 of them. I could be mistaken but I don't believe that the transfer of Lybrant Robinson would have come into the thinking of pre-season polling? According to Matt Snyder's fantastic site www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com (http://www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com) (click on the tab that says "Regional Rankings") Drew has the strongest strength of schedule of anyone in the league at this moment in time. I think Drew has closed the gap with Scranton, but I'm not writing the Royals off.

I agree that Susquehanna and Moravian are battling it out for the other 2 spots. Maybe E-Town makes a push, but right now I don't see them overtaking the other two. I still feel that this season the league is clearly divided into an "upper" tier of Scranton, Drew, Susquehanna, and Moravian and a "lower" tier of E-Town, Catholic, Juniata, and Goucher. We need Wednesday to get here so the upper tier teams can start playing each other.

In CUA news, the team lost the championship game of their annual holiday tournament this past Sunday to an impressive Hobart team, 65-55. From my perspective, Catholic showed some real grit in this game and they had a solid defensive game plan that kept them in the game into the second half. Unfortunately, the offense went ice cold and Hobart was able to pull away. Challenging for the conference tournament appears to be a step too far this season, but the team is improving.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2020, 08:35:40 AM
 The Cards' Riley Hayes is back after missing some games; he's a quality player and the only one left on Scranton's schedule that could defend Matt Mancuso in the paint.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 10, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 07, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2020, 07:23:16 PM

Truly unbelievable.

They honestly need to hire someone with a PR background to get this corrected.

I'm sure Bess has a few ideas

Get a Communications Major and give me a Internship/Work Study......let's see if the attendance gets any better with the doubleheader's..

Also Drew with a buzzer beater to beat Carnegie Mellon....they are looking really good.

What did the transfer from DelVal (Robinson) have? It looks like he's made a difference.

Lybrant Robinson had 23 including 5-12 on 3-pters.

WOW!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 10, 2020, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 10, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 09, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Preseason-wise, I would have Scranton as the favorite because every other contender lost more through graduation. However, Drew picked up a Xfer from Del Valley(Lybrant Robinson) who has made up the disparity such that they are an equally probable choice. I see Moravian,Susquehanna, and E-town battling for the other 2 playoff spots. Susquehanna has been missing their best player(Dominic Dunn). Catholic doesn't seem to be strong enough to contend but should finish above Juniata and Goucher.

A few weeks back I suggested that Scranton should remain firm favorites. Drew has played 4 decent teams since then and beaten 3 of them. I could be mistaken but I don't believe that the transfer of Lybrant Robinson would have come into the thinking of pre-season polling? According to Matt Snyder's fantastic site www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com (http://www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com) (click on the tab that says "Regional Rankings") Drew has the strongest strength of schedule of anyone in the league at this moment in time. I think Drew has closed the gap with Scranton, but I'm not writing the Royals off.

I agree that Susquehanna and Moravian are battling it out for the other 2 spots. Maybe E-Town makes a push, but right now I don't see them overtaking the other two. I still feel that this season the league is clearly divided into an "upper" tier of Scranton, Drew, Susquehanna, and Moravian and a "lower" tier of E-Town, Catholic, Juniata, and Goucher. We need Wednesday to get here so the upper tier teams can start playing each other.

In CUA news, the team lost the championship game of their annual holiday tournament this past Sunday to an impressive Hobart team, 65-55. From my perspective, Catholic showed some real grit in this game and they had a solid defensive game plan that kept them in the game into the second half. Unfortunately, the offense went ice cold and Hobart was able to pull away. Challenging for the conference tournament appears to be a step too far this season, but the team is improving.

I was at the Scranton - Arcadia game. Ugly!!

Who would have thought that a transfer from DelVal (issue was grades I hear.........makes it even more strange if you catch my drift) could come into play at the top of a conference with Scranton in it? Not me in 100 years!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 10, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 09, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Preseason-wise, I would have Scranton as the favorite because every other contender lost more through graduation. However, Drew picked up a Xfer from Del Valley(Lybrant Robinson) who has made up the disparity such that they are an equally probable choice. I see Moravian,Susquehanna, and E-town battling for the other 2 playoff spots. Susquehanna has been missing their best player(Dominic Dunn). Catholic doesn't seem to be strong enough to contend but should finish above Juniata and Goucher.

A few weeks back I suggested that Scranton should remain firm favorites. Drew has played 4 decent teams since then and beaten 3 of them. I could be mistaken but I don't believe that the transfer of Lybrant Robinson would have come into the thinking of pre-season polling? According to Matt Snyder's fantastic site www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com (http://www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com) (click on the tab that says "Regional Rankings") Drew has the strongest strength of schedule of anyone in the league at this moment in time. I think Drew has closed the gap with Scranton, but I'm not writing the Royals off.

I agree that Susquehanna and Moravian are battling it out for the other 2 spots. Maybe E-Town makes a push, but right now I don't see them overtaking the other two. I still feel that this season the league is clearly divided into an "upper" tier of Scranton, Drew, Susquehanna, and Moravian and a "lower" tier of E-Town, Catholic, Juniata, and Goucher. We need Wednesday to get here so the upper tier teams can start playing each other.

In CUA news, the team lost the championship game of their annual holiday tournament this past Sunday to an impressive Hobart team, 65-55. From my perspective, Catholic showed some real grit in this game and they had a solid defensive game plan that kept them in the game into the second half. Unfortunately, the offense went ice cold and Hobart was able to pull away. Challenging for the conference tournament appears to be a step too far this season, but the team is improving.

Keep in mind the data Matt is using is based on the NCAA SOS numbers which halfway through a season, when most conferences have barely gotten into conference play, are seriously skewed. Those numbers change daily because conference play has a significant affect on those things.

I'm not saying Drew doesn't have a strong schedule - their out of conference is very good this year. I'm simply saying, take those numbers with a grain of salt right now. Even Matt would tell you that. Those SOS numbers are one of the biggest reasons Regional Rankings aren't done until far later in the season. The numbers can sway wildly in the next few weeks and don't seem to settle too much until February.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 10, 2020, 11:09:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on January 10, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 09, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Preseason-wise, I would have Scranton as the favorite because every other contender lost more through graduation. However, Drew picked up a Xfer from Del Valley(Lybrant Robinson) who has made up the disparity such that they are an equally probable choice. I see Moravian,Susquehanna, and E-town battling for the other 2 playoff spots. Susquehanna has been missing their best player(Dominic Dunn). Catholic doesn't seem to be strong enough to contend but should finish above Juniata and Goucher.

A few weeks back I suggested that Scranton should remain firm favorites. Drew has played 4 decent teams since then and beaten 3 of them. I could be mistaken but I don't believe that the transfer of Lybrant Robinson would have come into the thinking of pre-season polling? According to Matt Snyder's fantastic site www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com (http://www.tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com) (click on the tab that says "Regional Rankings") Drew has the strongest strength of schedule of anyone in the league at this moment in time. I think Drew has closed the gap with Scranton, but I'm not writing the Royals off.

I agree that Susquehanna and Moravian are battling it out for the other 2 spots. Maybe E-Town makes a push, but right now I don't see them overtaking the other two. I still feel that this season the league is clearly divided into an "upper" tier of Scranton, Drew, Susquehanna, and Moravian and a "lower" tier of E-Town, Catholic, Juniata, and Goucher. We need Wednesday to get here so the upper tier teams can start playing each other.

In CUA news, the team lost the championship game of their annual holiday tournament this past Sunday to an impressive Hobart team, 65-55. From my perspective, Catholic showed some real grit in this game and they had a solid defensive game plan that kept them in the game into the second half. Unfortunately, the offense went ice cold and Hobart was able to pull away. Challenging for the conference tournament appears to be a step too far this season, but the team is improving.

Keep in mind the data Matt is using is based on the NCAA SOS numbers which halfway through a season, when most conferences have barely gotten into conference play, are seriously skewed. Those numbers change daily because conference play has a significant affect on those things.

I'm not saying Drew doesn't have a strong schedule - their out of conference is very good this year. I'm simply saying, take those numbers with a grain of salt right now. Even Matt would tell you that. Those SOS numbers are one of the biggest reasons Regional Rankings aren't done until far later in the season. The numbers can sway wildly in the next few weeks and don't seem to settle too much until February.

Sure sure. I may have been unclear in my original message that those numbers are only a snapshot of where a team stands right at this moment. It would seem to me that Drew's SOS will tick downwards as we move into conference play. 5 of their remaining 13 games are against teams with below .500 records.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 11, 2020, 03:36:36 PM
I don't know what Danzig said at halftime, but maybe he should consider saying it before the game...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2020, 09:37:31 PM

Tim:

Agreed...say it pre-game, at the 10 minute mark, halftime & every other opportunity he gets.

I thought they finally put it all together during their game at Wilkes but, there have certainly been a few bumps in the road since then so I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

Really nice second half...Logan shot near 85% from the field today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2020, 10:34:37 PM
Today's attendance: 256
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2020, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2020, 10:34:37 PM
Today's attendance: 256

They've doubled the # of cheerleaders, added some dancers for halftime entertainment, and are tossing t-shirts into the stands-what more can be done? As Yogi said - if people don't want to come, u can't force them.   ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 12, 2020, 12:45:40 AM
It also starts with the product on the floor also!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2020, 01:25:07 AM
 Don't think they've been more entertaining in the past 20 years than they are this year; yes, they're frequently out of control(offensively and defensively), but still fun to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 12, 2020, 01:55:45 AM
You would think with the local boys more people would show up.I think people know the outcome before the outcome with Danzings Teams!Like I said Bessoir had far better crowds w/His teams then Danzing.You dont feel that excitement at the long center in the last 15 years or so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2020, 08:14:15 PM
Half court shot for free tuition?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2020, 08:21:49 PM
 We'll have to lower the ceiling first to make it tougher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
 Here r the mid-season hilites of the Royals' commit Zach Rovinsky:

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8878038/5e177ac9bed66102d8013ae6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2020, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2019, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2019, 11:16:02 PM
Bates scored 2 points in the last 6+ minutes. Are they really projected to be at bottom of the NESCAC?

They get Jim Calhouns squad tomorrow.

They aren't expected in the top half ... Amherst, Colby, Hamilton, Middlebury, Tufts, Wesleyan, Middlebury, and maybe Williams ahead of them ... off the top of my head (and in alphabetical order). Bates may surprise, but it will be a very difficult hill to climb.

But the gap between the Landmark and the NESCAC is pretty large. NESCAC is one of the Top 5 conferences year in and year out in Division III (in nearly all sports, as well). Landmark ... is in the middle somewhere. Not lower half, but not in top 15.


Bates bumped off Wesleyan a few days ago, they play Amherst next... not under any delusions they are a power in the NESCAC, but helps the Royal resume lol.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
Though, you have to look at Wesleyan's resume... 9-3 is nice, but they lost to Tufts and then Bates. While I'm voting for Tufts, I'm not considering Bates (8-4). I suspect Bates will fall in the middle of the conference right now. Middlebury, Colby, Hamilton, Tufts, Amherst likely ahead of them ... though running through the conference just once makes this a bit of a guessing game in mid-January.

At best it is somewhat helping the Royals' SOS which is good because their out-of-conference side is all over the place. They have some decent 8-4 teams like Bates, but they have a bunch of badly below .500 teams which isn't helping. Their SOS will actually fascinate me by the end of the season. If some of those struggling teams improve, it could help, but they have some that could go either way in their conferences. Bears watching.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
At least they don't have PSU Wilkes and Scranton on their schedule. <looking at you Kings>
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2020, 06:42:36 PM

Ronk:

That kid looks like he could step in & start for the Royals right now.

Great court awareness, shoots the 3, drives & dunks.

Maybe he'll start by his junior year.  ;)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
 Nice Win Royals !!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2020, 09:01:14 PM
Down goes Drew...at least we know they are beatable.


Tonight's Royal Attendance :  198!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2020, 09:23:03 PM

Maybe Danzig needs to start wearing purple tuxedo's to get a cult following.

The disconnect between the student body & the mens team especially should be very concerning to Dave & athletic administration.

Nearly all of those in attendance are either alums or long time followers. Virtually zero students & intersession has begun.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 10:44:45 PM
Nepafan:Watched some of that game Drew was up 11 at half!They need to take that stage down and back them 10 kids up at Drew!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2020, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 10:44:45 PM
Nepafan:Watched some of that game Drew was up 11 at half!They need to take that stage down and back them 10 kids up at Drew!!

I checked in early and it was 31-13 Drew. I tried watching the end but was having stream issues. Riley Collins drops 3s from long range but SU had an answer every time.

I guess it might be a three horse race.

No one in the building last night but the Long Center got some upgrades on their banners.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
 After falling behind with 12 1st-half turnovers, the Royals overcame Catholic's efforts 74-64. Matt Mancuso had a strong line: 23 points(13-15 FTs), 9 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals, 6 blocks and, most importantly, avoiding foul trouble, despite aggressive play by the Cards' post defenders(Riley Hayes and Frank Lumaj). Other Royals' strong contributors were Jackson Danzig, Kyle Deverna, and Stephen Braunstein.
  Cards' FT performance(11-21) didn't help their cause.
  Next up for the Royals is a battle for 1st place in the Landmark Wednesday at co-unbeaten leader Susquehanna.

Here's a photo of 2016 Royals' teammates(Brendan Boken, Marcus Thomas, Patrick Calvey, and current Catholic assistant Justin Klingman with Coach Danzig) in attendance at the game.

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1218677144907386880/photo/1

Also in attendance for the doubleheader was Phil Johnson, starter on the Royals' 1st national championship team in 1976.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Drew struggled with Goucher. Bates beat Hamilton....just some other scores I was looking at.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2020, 11:49:13 AM

Good win by the Royals on the road yesterday.

Although certainly favored to win on paper, these are the games the Royals have often struggled to win on the court.

Great seeing recent alums showing up.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Drew struggled with Goucher. Bates beat Hamilton....just some other scores I was looking at.

Goucher played the best game they have probably played in two seasons at least ... that will happen from time to time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2020, 07:43:10 PM

Perhaps their previous 'best game" was in 2017 when they defeated Scranton.

The year the gopher got Carl.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 19, 2020, 07:43:10 PM

Perhaps their previous 'best game" was in 2017 when they defeated Scranton.

The year the gopher got Carl.  ;)

Very possible, honestly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Drew struggled with Goucher. Bates beat Hamilton....just some other scores I was looking at.

BTW - Bates lost to Hamilton as well this weekend. They are 9-5 and 2-1 in the single-round NESCAC. That's good for third, BUT they have Tufts, Colby, Williams and Middlebury still ahead - plus a lot of other games. I don't know why you keep hanging your hat on that one. DeSales is 11-4 and that's a better one to lean on in terms of a good result for Scranton right now. Sadly, out of conference that is the only one of note this season in the win-column. York might give the Royals another result versus a regionally ranked opponent, but might be too early to say for sure (I thought YCP would have a good season; 12-5 and still quite a bit of CAC schedule ahead could be tough).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:29:06 PM
Only because the NESCAC is the gold standard in D3, nothing more. It gives me a reason to see what's going on up in New England.  Yeah the Desales win is impressive.  You were at the Goucher game on Saturday?  Drew took 30 3 point attempts and hit 3?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 19, 2020, 11:50:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 19, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
After falling behind with 12 1st-half turnovers, the Royals overcame Catholic's efforts 74-64. Matt Mancuso had a strong line: 23 points(13-15 FTs), 9 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals, 6 blocks and, most importantly, avoiding foul trouble, despite aggressive play by the Cards' post defenders(Riley Hayes and Frank Lumaj). Other Royals' strong contributors were Jackson Danzig, Kyle Deverna, and Stephen Braunstein.
  Cards' FT performance(11-21) didn't help their cause.
  Next up for the Royals is a battle for 1st place in the Landmark Wednesday at co-unbeaten leader Susquehanna.

Here's a photo of 2016 Royals' teammates(Brendan Boken, Marcus Thomas, Patrick Calvey, and current Catholic assistant Justin Klingman with Coach Danzig) in attendance at the game.

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1218677144907386880/photo/1

Also in attendance for the doubleheader was Phil Johnson, starter on the Royals' 1st national championship team in 1976.

Mancuso was excellent at both ends yesterday. I felt he really took the game over later in the second half. I know Scranton turned it over 19 times, but I'm not sure any other team in the league moves the ball as well as them. I still like Scranton to win the league because I think they're a bit more diverse on offense than Drew. Scranton put up 74 yesterday with Logan Bailey unable to get going.

I was impressed with Catholic's play in the first half. I'm sure no one is interested in moral victories at this point in the season, but I think there's a lot the coaches can be happy with.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Drew struggled with Goucher. Bates beat Hamilton....just some other scores I was looking at.

BTW - Bates lost to Hamilton as well this weekend. They are 9-5 and 2-1 in the single-round NESCAC. That's good for third, BUT they have Tufts, Colby, Williams and Middlebury still ahead - plus a lot of other games. I don't know why you keep hanging your hat on that one. DeSales is 11-4 and that's a better one to lean on in terms of a good result for Scranton right now. Sadly, out of conference that is the only one of note this season in the win-column. York might give the Royals another result versus a regionally ranked opponent, but might be too early to say for sure (I thought YCP would have a good season; 12-5 and still quite a bit of CAC schedule ahead could be tough).

Probably, because Matt Snyder's rankings have Bates as #43 while DeSales is 84.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2020, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:29:06 PM
Only because the NESCAC is the gold standard in D3, nothing more. It gives me a reason to see what's going on up in New England.  Yeah the Desales win is impressive.  You were at the Goucher game on Saturday?  Drew took 30 3 point attempts and hit 3?

I only missed one Goucher game this year ... I have a good reason to be there. :)

Yeah, Drew struggled from deep, but they didn't seem to be pressing. I believe most of the first few shots they put up from deep actually went in, then they went cold. So, that certainly allowed Goucher to stay in the game. However, Gophers played strong defense and seemed to be up for the game - and up for all 40 minutes. Unfortunately, Goucher's inexperience in being in close games and the penance for some (one in particular) to feel like he has to be the "hero" cost the Gophers. Shooting a hail-mary 3-pointer with 13 seconds on the clock as if the clock actually reads 1.3 was ... well it ended any chance of Goucher tying or winning the game. That wasn't the first mistake, but it was basically the culmination of the opportunity.

It was nice to see the Gophers fight, but Drew also clearly wasn't themselves from deep. They have some nice pieces which make them a threat to be sure. I am looking forward to seeing how they battle to the end. I don't think there is a favorite in this conference right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2020, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Drew struggled with Goucher. Bates beat Hamilton....just some other scores I was looking at.

BTW - Bates lost to Hamilton as well this weekend. They are 9-5 and 2-1 in the single-round NESCAC. That's good for third, BUT they have Tufts, Colby, Williams and Middlebury still ahead - plus a lot of other games. I don't know why you keep hanging your hat on that one. DeSales is 11-4 and that's a better one to lean on in terms of a good result for Scranton right now. Sadly, out of conference that is the only one of note this season in the win-column. York might give the Royals another result versus a regionally ranked opponent, but might be too early to say for sure (I thought YCP would have a good season; 12-5 and still quite a bit of CAC schedule ahead could be tough).

Probably, because Matt Snyder's rankings have Bates as #43 while DeSales is 84.

Based on NCAA SOS numbers, right? Not sure that is how we measure how good teams really are. We measure who gets into the NCAA tournaments that way, but we have always said the SOS numbers in the NESCAC are over-inflated since they don't play a double-round-robin (though, Bates has two more games against NESCAC foes in Bowdoin and Colby as part of the "Maine Three) ... so yeah, Bates is going to float higher based on NCAA SOS numbers than DeSales. That doesn't really tell the whole story nor should it be something to hang a hat on.

Edit: I'll add, those SOS numbers are going to alter considerably between now and the end of the month, by the time we get to the first regional rankings, and by the time the season is over. There is a reason regional rankings don't come earlier than they do. The numbers just swing too wildly even week to week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2020, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2020, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2020, 10:29:06 PM
Only because the NESCAC is the gold standard in D3, nothing more. It gives me a reason to see what's going on up in New England.  Yeah the Desales win is impressive.  You were at the Goucher game on Saturday?  Drew took 30 3 point attempts and hit 3?

I only missed one Goucher game this year ... I have a good reason to be there. :)

Yeah, Drew struggled from deep, but they didn't seem to be pressing. I believe most of the first few shots they put up from deep actually went in, then they went cold. So, that certainly allowed Goucher to stay in the game. However, Gophers played strong defense and seemed to be up for the game - and up for all 40 minutes. Unfortunately, Goucher's inexperience in being in close games and the penance for some (one in particular) to feel like he has to be the "hero" cost the Gophers. Shooting a hail-mary 3-pointer with 13 seconds on the clock as if the clock actually reads 1.3 was ... well it ended any chance of Goucher tying or winning the game. That wasn't the first mistake, but it was basically the culmination of the opportunity.

It was nice to see the Gophers fight, but Drew also clearly wasn't themselves from deep. They have some nice pieces which make them a threat to be sure. I am looking forward to seeing how they battle to the end. I don't think there is a favorite in this conference right now.

Riley Collins with a 3-pt shooting % of 36% went 0-11; that's not likely to happen again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2020, 02:42:36 PM
Agreed. He was pretty solid at times getting to the rim and making up for his struggles from deep in other areas of the game ... but it was surprising they couldn't seem to be on target from deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2020, 07:57:18 AM

Tried to watch both the mens & women's games last evening.

In the mens game two plays stand out....

On two second half possessions, Susquehanna pressed the Royals on inbounds plays & the Royals threw it away both times.

The first led directly to a 3 pointer & the second to a layup.

Take those two sloppy plays away & it's a different ending.

All in all, a fairly typical Royals game we've all become used to in the last decade plus....close, but no cigar.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 23, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
I think what hurt them last night and we talk about this alot the 3pt defense!Scranton 6-20 for 30% even though they shot 50% from the field that hurts.Then Susquehanna shoots a stellar 64% from 3pt range and 47% from the field.Sometimes you have to make them 3pt shots a little harder!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
seems like they start slow out of the gate, yet again. I wasn't able to catch the game though....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2020, 05:28:03 PM
 Every time the Royals caught up, Lacorte hit a contested 3-pter (8-12). Maybe, it wasn't contested enough or make him drive for a 2-pt shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 24, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
Dave question:Bates beat Hamilton or is that a mistake?I noticed you corrected Nepafan but the score said Bates won?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 25, 2020, 03:49:41 PM
Frankie not playing Scranton today !Unreal how he has his team ready to play Scranton!No-64% from 3 Susquehanna today!SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 25, 2020, 05:55:30 PM

Perhaps it's equal parts the other coach not having his team ready for Frank's kids strength's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2020, 08:39:38 PM
This weeks installment of guess the attendance...

A) 256
B) 2,556
C)25

If you went with A you are correct!

Thanks to the CUA Cards for beating Susquehanna and putting 3 teams in a tie for first place!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on January 25, 2020, 09:09:43 PM
Didn't get to watch any of the game today, but very glad to see the teams' performance rewarded with a big win. They've really been playing better the past few weeks, but they just haven't been able to get enough buckets to win. Really amazed at the dramatic turnaround at the defensive end of the floor from the past few seasons. Coach Kelly and his staff have instilled a completely different attitude at that end of the floor since the start of the season and it's been fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2020, 10:59:49 PM
  If u have ROKU, u can watch any Landmark games on a delayed basis for a few days afterward. Cards made things interesting by going 6-14 FTs in final 1:15.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2020, 08:08:25 AM

Scranton archives their games played at home.

Just go to "on demand' and search.

I think I've watched the 4th. quarter of the Lady Royals/Tufts Elite 8 game 50 times.

Trevor couldn't have drawn it up any better & the kids executed to perfection.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2020, 06:00:34 PM

RIP Kobe.

Another of the greatest taken far too soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2020, 08:08:25 AM

Scranton archives their games played at home.

Just go to "on demand' and search.

I think I've watched the 4th. quarter of the Lady Royals/Tufts Elite 8 game 50 times.

Trevor couldn't have drawn it up any better & the kids executed to perfection.

Watched it myself yesterday and it was almost as exciting as when we were there in person. How did none of those Tufts' shots fall?
  The archived videos go back to Jan 2019; I don't know if that's when they started archiving or if they only have capacity for a year's worth of video and will be rolling off the Tufts game soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2020, 06:59:40 PM

I feel the same way & as I said, even though I've watched it dozens of times, I'm still waiting for something to change.

Just notice how disciplined that comeback was.....

Tough man on defense, then layup, layup, 5 foot floater, set play for the 3 with a picture perfect screen by Sophia, then another layup then 4 free throws.

Not sure this team, as presently playing, could mount that same comeback even though it's essentially the same kids.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2020, 07:17:45 PM
the lack of attendance is made up for by the discussion on this board. Women's Basketball, Men's Basketball...it doesn't matter.

Imagine in the on line streaming archives went back to the 60s...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2020, 07:56:15 PM

Wish we could pull up some of the UofS games from the heyday of Bess in the 70's, 80's & 90's.

The Long Center would be packed to the rafters & loud.

A Chamber of Horrors for most visiting teams...these days, an extension of the Weinburg Library until the women's playoffs begin.

I don't think the Royals (men) have even hosted 1 NCAA playoff game under Danzig.

Wait, I stand corrected, they have held at least 1 because Ursinus didn't put a host bid in one year & they moved the game to Scranton. Beyond that, I think we're 0/18 & counting.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 27, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
Watched it myself yesterday and it was almost as exciting as when we were there in person. How did none of those Tufts' shots fall?
  The archived videos go back to Jan 2019; I don't know if that's when they started archiving or if they only have capacity for a year's worth of video and will be rolling off the Tufts game soon.

The way stretch works ... there is basically a year of archives available usually. However, I also can't remember when Scranton went to Stretch. One thing they won't do is upload old games to a new company. But more specifically, video takes up a TON of space, so usually companies don't allow much more than a two years of archives.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Tough game tonight at Drew !!!Hopefully not many turnovers and early big leads lets not fight to get back in the game.Have a great game Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
Great Win tonight Royals at Drew !Well done
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
 Would have been a lot easier without all those bad passes. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2020, 08:58:31 PM
Ronk you're the positive one. I'm going to watch on demand, missed it live
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2020, 12:19:36 AM
 Moravian did the Royals a favor winning @ Susquehanna; Susquehanna went from down 9 to up 9 with their press and defense before Moravian closed them out.

Halfway thru the conference sched:

Scranton     6-1
Susque       5-2
Drew           5-2
Moravian     4-3
Catholic       3-4
E-town        3-4
Goucher      1-6
Juniata        1-6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
 As we enter the 2nd half of conference play, the Landmark could have 3 teams entering the Pool C competition with a W/L % of at least .731.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Not sure if the Royals did a good job of shutting down Riley or if he was just a bit off.

Monaghan and Bailey provided a good spark with a couple of their own spurts last night. I also was thinking of Rofrog's comment about the students being so close to the hoop closest to the Drew bench. Seems a bit odd to place them so close to the floor. I saw some colorful hand gestures directed to someone off camera at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Yes the only other place I have seen that at was Upsala and NYU in my Travels that close to the basket!One of these days they will get the wrong player to do that too.**** I got thrown out  of that gym for calling the ref a a homer!Jersey refs are pathetic though!They Turn a blind eye and the Athletic dept to their fans!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2020, 08:45:40 AM
Can the Royals please come out of the gate and do what they need to do on Saturday? We have all seen this show before...go take care of business.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 31, 2020, 10:08:07 PM
Hopefully they will Nepafan!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2020, 03:48:55 PM
Of course not. We could all see it coming a mile away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 01, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
Scratching my head you crush this team by 30 then lose by 2 smh how?Then Danzing calls timeout w/19 seconds left 68-66 inbound pass to Danzing up by the 3pt line what does Danzing do whips the ball in for a Turnover 2 years in a row they got you Coach.Let them play it out because again didnt work!Another bad loss for Danzing.This story is getting old.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2020, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 01, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
Scratching my head you crush this team by 30 then lose by 2 smh how?Then Danzing calls timeout w/19 seconds left 68-66 inbound pass to Danzing up by the 3pt line what does Danzing do whips the ball in for a Turnover 2 years in a row they got you Coach.Let them play it out because again didnt work!Another bad loss for Danzing.This story is getting old.

They are too talented to lose this game. He didn't call a timeout either during the Etown run. They won on a buzzer beater last year, should have been on the Royals mind. You are right Rofrog a pattern we see every single year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2020, 07:58:12 PM

Danzig was again clueless regarding how to stop momentum.

In a 12-2 run, no timeout taken which then led to more horrible shots and an eventual 20-2 run by E-town.

We've watched the Royal version of Groundhog Day for 20 plus years now.

Sadly, it will never change.

X's & O's is just a song with this team.

Clearly superior talent on paper, they never can consistently rise to the occasion.

Great win for the kids at Etown.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 01, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
Nepafan i think tonight shows why 200 are in attendance at home.15 of them are danzings family and Toby(clown).So two years in a row Danzing draws up a play that involved his son and both times failed.You have Bailey that can take it right to the basket but that would be to smart what did Danzing do put it in his sons hands again!'As a long time Royal fan I'm just not happy with this guy coaching and when Toby was there his job was secured hopefully we bring in someone that takes us to the next level which would be ncaa tournament and final four like Bess did.Times need a changing at the long center.You see all them banners hanging up 95% Bessior and Strong did that with the U!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2020, 03:09:10 PM
Still brutal the day after.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
 Entertaining and exasperating. I give credit to E-town for every 1 of their scores during the 20-2 run; they earned them. The fault lay with Scranton's offense during that run, bigs shooting from 15'+ instead of pounding it down in the paint plus the bad passes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 02, 2020, 07:52:43 PM
I feel the pain Nepafan:No excuses they lost that game do to coaching and every year Carl loses these games he should win!My god up 19 pts when they run off ten and you score zero you call time out,Ronk that is all on coaching sorry to say but this story keeps getting repeated every year w/Carl.You finally get the help you needed to be up a game in the Landmark so you go.to.Etown and blow a 19 pt lead then they go on a 22-2 run and not one time out used.Seriously what has Danzing done in means of Going to the final four or winning it.He has been here 20 years record is good but I'm not here for a landmark title or a one and done in the NCAA.Every program should have the eye on the prize.Guess what that hasnt been on point in 20 years at Scranton and that is why you get 200 people at the game because the product is not there.Like it was with bess(the showman)The long center was always packed and if you dont show the product people dont go.Alot of local talent on this team but not many followers.It is a shame that High School games can fill the CYC(Lackawanna)but The Royals cant get 200 people to a mens game

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
 Just like the women who had their position day(top 4 teams playing each other) this past Saturday, the men will have theirs tomorrow night. The outcomes will affect who has to travel for the conference semifinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
 Actually, because the top 4 teams this season at this point r  Wednesday travel partners, each Wed 4 the rest of the regular season will be a position night unless E-town replaces 1 of the others in the top 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 05, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
I missed the broadcast.  Is Bailey hurt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 10:31:03 PM
I cant remeber the last time the Royals scored 17 pts in the 1st half!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2020, 10:42:20 PM
Logan was out with the flu; Matt was under the weather(flu?,cold?) but played. Ben tweaked his knee and missed the 2nd half. Gutty comeback win after a 0-11 3-pter 1st half. 8-15 on 3-pters 2nd half helped, along with Ems strong sub and Brockett's play and 3 3s from Jackson.
I would have subbed for Matt, if only for offense/defense but his body language indicated he needed even more frequent rests.

If Royals win only their remaining home games, that should mean hosting at least the 1st semifinal playoff game.

Tim, Royals replay should be available on demand on their website for later viewing.

Nepa, 931 in attendance tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 11:28:07 PM
I notice the camera man gets lost especially the last two free throws Matt's at the far end the Camera is still pointed at the student section.To make it a 4 point game.Yes Logan had the flu also ben tweaked his knee to start the 2nd half 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
Thanks Ronk! It is a team effort...looking Forward to the injury report tomorrow...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2020, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
Thanks Ronk! It is a team effort...looking for to the injury report tomorrow...

I think you'll have to do some hacking to get an injury report.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 11:48:19 PM
Also students being in town helps attendance also!Should have a nice crowd Saturday and forward!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Did Harry Dammer sound like he was talking to us when he explained how it is only a game? He was explaining the bad news about Maddie Martin Re-injuring herself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
 No, he was putting it in perspective for everyone, including himself. I'm generally in agreement with Harry's observations and analysis and enjoy them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2020, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
No, he was putting it in perspective for everyone, including himself. I'm generally in agreement with Harry's observations and analysis and enjoy them.

Fair enough. We are blessed to have a play by play guy and a color guy, no complaints. Both are assets to the program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2020, 10:18:16 PM
Program alert:

Special times for the bball games against Catholic Saturday

Men - 1 pm; Wall of Fame ceremony between games; Women - 3:30 pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 01:16:43 AM
As a Royal fan I love seeing 5 guys in double figures.Great win guys keep it up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 02:41:43 AM
Coach Danzing has some talented kids I would like to throw this out there Ryan Ems reminds me of a Sean Gallagher,Henry Condron,Derrick Elphick,Brian Odonnel that kid could bang and that will help the Royals now and years to come!Still remeber Elphick getting his tooth knocked out at the long center by Huggler and Stackhouse from lycoming man them games were bruisers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 09, 2020, 07:24:14 AM
Besides the balanced scoring, I also liked seeing 22 assists on 25 made baskets (and 51% shooting).  Even Ems (7 pts/2 blocks in 7 minutes) and Monaghan (3 assists in 6 minutes) contributed well in the time they were on the court.  This was a good team effort against a Catholic team who plays tougher than their record indicates and has been in most games this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2020, 09:31:13 AM
Kudos to the camera operator who zoomed in on the court...made a difference on video quality. 800 and change at the game, but Harry noted not a lot of kids in the student section.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 10:00:49 AM

A good win for sure as Catholic is clearly playing much better as the season has progressed.

Another battle on Wednesday at Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
 Any word on Ben Bosland's absence yesterday? He missed the 2nd half Wednesday with an injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2020, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Any word on Ben Bosland's absence yesterday? He missed the 2nd half Wednesday with an injury.

Saw him at the end of the bench in street clothes. I've made a inquiry request to the Scranton Athletics Department for more info ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 09, 2020, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 09, 2020, 07:24:14 AM
Besides the balanced scoring, I also liked seeing 22 assists on 25 made baskets (and 51% shooting).  Even Ems (7 pts/2 blocks in 7 minutes) and Monaghan (3 assists in 6 minutes) contributed well in the time they were on the court.  This was a good team effort against a Catholic team who plays tougher than their record indicates and has been in most games this year.

Didn't see the game yesterday, but the 22 assists really stands out. Having now played Scranton twice, I can say that they are the team Catholic has struggled the most against defensively this season. I know everyone always points to the Royals' lack of consistency, but I'm still convinced that when they are locked in they have the highest ceiling of any team in the league.

Big picture, the Cards are still technically alive for a playoff spot, but it seems highly unlikely. Conference play has been about fine margins this season. 3 of the Cards' 6 conference losses have come by a total of 7 points. Still very pleased with the progress of the season. The big game of the week has to be Drew at Susquehanna on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 06:49:52 PM

Go Riverhawks!  ;)


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2020, 02:12:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2020, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Any word on Ben Bosland's absence yesterday? He missed the 2nd half Wednesday with an injury.

Saw him at the end of the bench in street clothes. I've made a inquiry request to the Scranton Athletics Department for more info ;)

He walked in @ the 9:00 mark of 2nd half Sat; maybe he had a whirlpool session previously.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:17:17 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:17:17 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first

Pretty happy with #6 ranking. Question for discussion purposes...what is the lowest you can be regionally ranked and have a shot at hosting?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:17:17 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first

Pretty happy with #6 ranking. Question for discussion purposes...what is the lowest you can be regionally ranked and have a shot at hosting?

3 in a good region, 2 in most.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
Remember they now take what the committee thinks are the top 16 teams in the country ... with no "distribution" or even handedness to each region ... so they don't have to give two to a region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 04:22:29 PM
 1st step for Pool C consideration is to make your regional ranking, then eliminate all the Pool A teams above u in the regional ranking to enhance "getting to the table" for consideration vs all the other regions' representatives.
  In Scranton's case, they r now 3rd in the Mid-Atlantic, after the Swarthmore-JHU loser, and the CNU-York loser, barring, of course, some other team(s) winning their conference tourney and the AQ spot.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 01:37:07 AM
 Susquehanna, Drew, and Scranton lock up 3 of the 4 conference tourney spots; Moravian will claim the 4th with 1 more win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2020, 08:01:09 AM

The Royals simply can't win the important games needed to separate from the pack.

They'll end up with a similar record as other teams but lose the top spot due to some tie-breaker rule, have to go to Susquehanna again & season over.

Same results & issues, different year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Just play sixty minutes please!

No Coach D on the sideline last night....good to see a Royals press that had some turnovers. Not sure if he caught the flu, I'll wait for injury report.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Just play sixty minutes please!

No Coach D on the sideline last night....good to see a Royals press that had some turnovers. Not sure if he caught the flu, I'll wait for injury report.

You still waiting for the Ben report? saw him on the bench in sweats last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Just play sixty minutes please!


Or at least forty.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Just play sixty minutes please!


Or at least forty.

Yes, we got our sports mixed up.   :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Just play sixty minutes please!


Or at least forty.

You play to win the game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2020, 09:43:05 AM
Wed., Feb. 19          
                   * Susquehanna       Moravian          7:00 PM   
                   * Drew               Scranton          7:00 PM   
Sat., Feb. 22   * Juniata               Susquehanna       2:00 PM   
                   * Catholic               Drew                  2:00 PM
                   * Goucher               Scranton          2:00 PM   

It is a two game season for the regular season title...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2020, 08:04:13 PM
Moravian could be in the mix @ 10-4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2020, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2020, 08:04:13 PM
Moravian could be in the mix @ 10-4.

Yeah ... I'm a little surprised the Moravian games aren't listed since they are only a game out of first. Unless thinking that Susquehanna will beat Moravian Wednesday to keep the Crusaders River Hawks in the fight?

Teams in the running for the final four spots that could shuffle around in bold ...


 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
Feb. 19
Juniata6-17(3-9)atElizabethtown11-11(4-8)7:00 PM
Susquehanna16-7(9-3)atMoravian13-10(8-4)7:00 PM
Catholic8-15(4-8)atGoucher5-18(2-10)7:00 PM
Drew18-5(9-3)atScranton17-6(9-3)7:00 PM
Feb. 22
Juniata6-17(3-9)atSusquehanna16-7(9-3)2:00 PM
Catholic8-15(4-8)atDrew18-5(9-3)2:00 PM
Elizabethtown11-11(4-8)atMoravian13-10(8-4)2:00 PM
Goucher5-18(2-10)atScranton17-6(9-3)2:00 PM

I find it interesting the four are all at home on Saturday. Interesting quirk.

Goucher and Juniata still battling it out for who will have first pick in next season's draft ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:15:53 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2020, 10:52:08 PM
 The Royals made their quest for an NCAA tourney spot a lot harder with a home-court loss to Drew, going from an 11-point lead with 10 mins left to an 8-pt deficit 7 mins later, committing 6 turnovers in that span. Fouling a 3-pt shooter 2 different times cost them an additional 5 points(out of 6 possible). They'll need to play smarter than that if there's to be a future.
  Still a chance to finish 2nd and host a home game semifinal; this requires a Royal win(Goucher) and a Drew loss(Catholic) Saturday. Catholic has been w/o their PG(Colin Hartmann) for the recent 3 games, so it's unlikely they'll fill their half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 19, 2020, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2020, 10:52:08 PM
The Royals made their quest for an NCAA tourney spot a lot harder with a home-court loss to Drew, going from an 11-point lead with 10 mins left to an 8-pt deficit 7 mins later, committing 6 turnovers in that span. Fouling a 3-pt shooter 2 different times cost them an additional 5 points(out of 6 possible). They'll need to play smarter than that if there's to be a future.
  Still a chance to finish 2nd and host a home game semifinal; this requires a Royal win(Goucher) and a Drew loss(Catholic) Saturday. Catholic has been w/o their PG(Colin Hartmann) for the recent 3 games, so it's unlikely they'll fill their half.

Losing Colin has been a real blow. Until he picked up his injury he was Catholic's most consistent player in Landmark play. The team is averaging a cool 59.7 ppg in the three games he's missed. I was disappointed he was unable to play on Senior Day last Saturday. He's had a nice season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2020, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.

Manchester and Merseyside are going to have to make room for a third major Derby!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2020, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2020, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.

Manchester and Merseyside are going to have to make room for a third major Derby!!

You may have just said the one thing to unite Arsenal and Spurs fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 20, 2020, 01:04:37 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2020, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 20, 2020, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.

Manchester and Merseyside are going to have to make room for a third major Derby!!

You may have just said the one thing to unite Arsenal and Spurs fans.

Nonsense! I didn't post a video of Chelsea losing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.


Not sure if you know who does the Juniata pbp but they were saying Goucher is a team to watch out for next year. Well coached, etc. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Goucher beat Catholic in what Ryan Scott now dubs the D3hoops.com Derby (I like the description) ... 86-70, but it was FAR closer than that. Goucher happened to hit a couple of late shots they normally miss badly.

Nice way to close out my 25th season as PA Announcer for Goucher.


Not sure if you know who does the Juniata pbp but they were saying Goucher is a team to watch out for next year. Well coached, etc.

I do know who he is ... see him every season at Goucher. He sits right next to me.

Interesting take he has considering Goucher loses Morton and Goralski ... but I appreciate his thinking on it. I hope he is right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2020, 06:24:38 PM

Goucher's rebuilding program for next year will probably start Saturday vs. the Royals.

This once proud program (Scranton), has now been taken to new heights of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2020, 08:18:36 AM
 Last night on his Hoopsville show Dave McHugh was asked what is the most interesting conference tournament race in each region. Wrt to the Mid-Atlantic, Dave said that the Landmark doesn't excite him this year.
  Why he isn't excited escapes me because the top 2 teams are tied; the 3rd place team is a game behind, and the other team in the tourney has already beaten 2 of the other 3 teams in the regular season. It's hard to believe that any tourney could be closer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 21, 2020, 11:00:22 AM
Not to put words in Dave's mouth but to me he meant that the Landmark is almost certainly a one-bid league so that is the reason for minimal excitement. The Centennial and the CAC both can get multiple teams in if upsets are pulled which enhances the excitement from the national perspective.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on February 21, 2020, 11:00:22 AM
Not to put words in Dave's mouth but to me he meant that the Landmark is almost certainly a one-bid league so that is the reason for minimal excitement. The Centennial and the CAC both can get multiple teams in if upsets are pulled which enhances the excitement from the national perspective.

That is exactly what I was trying to say. And having the top two teams tied doesn't mean anything for me in the conference tournament. We weren't talking about how the regular season might end.

I think the Centennial is a bit more interesting because I think an upset of Swarthmore (which could happen) changes a lot of things nationwide. Even the CAC could be slightly interesting, but it's more in line with the Landmark in the sense that I'm not going to be blown away necessarily with who wins ... and in the Landmark's case, I'm not expecting it to change anything nationwide in terms of Pool C bids.

You can be excited about the conference tournament. I don't find it as exciting as the Centennial in this region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
 That the Landmark is a 1-bid league is an answer to a question that wasn't asked in this case. Rather, which is the most interesting conference tournament in the region?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Plus 1 Ronk !They always need to cover for each other!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 02:44:40 PM
I think the Landmark is always a one tournament team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
On the mens side!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
On the mens side!

2015-17 the Landmark had an at-large bid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2020, 08:03:56 PM

I guess to Ro's point, if it takes a 5/6 year cycle for the Landmark to land two teams, it's pretty much not happening.

That said, with the number of teams fighting for both a berth & a home game, the Landmark playoffs should certainly be interesting.

The problem for this conference is that's where the excitement both begins & ends.

Hard to believe that under the current regime, the Scranton men, when they do finally make the tournament, have only hosted once.

Considering the talent that's played on the Long Center hardwood in the past 20 years, that's pretty telling & unfortunate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
They got lucky to host then that year thanks to some paperwork!Then the year they were number two in the region they gave 3 host sites to the east!!Never have faith in the committee!!Someone doesnt  like Scranton. That year they definetly should have hosted Saratoga!But they got sent all the way to Brockport.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2020, 09:01:13 PM

Correct....and they were then promptly disposed of by Hobart in fairly typical one & done style.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2020, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
They got lucky to host then that year thanks to some paperwork!Then the year they were number two in the region they gave 3 host sites to the east!!Never have faith in the committee!!Someone doesnt  like Scranton. That year they definetly should have hosted Saratoga!But they got sent all the way to Brockport.

They didn't give three to the East Region - they got the two we expected. The committee used one more in the South we didn't expect and had to use another in the South due to geography (we felt could have been done a different way). That was also the year three Mid-Atlantic teams went to Virginia Wesleyan.

The hosts where Emory (South), UW-Stevens Point (West), UT-Dallas (South), UW-Whitewater (West), Wooster (Great Lakes), Hope (Great Lakes), WashU (Central), Illinois Wesleyan (Central), Amherst (Northeast), Plattsburgh State (East), Cabrini (Mid-Atlantic), Brockport State (East), SUNY Purchase (Atlantic), Williams (Northeast), Randolph-Macon (South), Virginia Wesleyan (South).

AND that was the start of a new philosophy with the men's national committee that they try and have the top 16 programs host - no matter the region - based on the criteria. They work on that for a week or two prior and all things equal, that's where they want hosting to be the opening weekend. We just didn't realize it at the time because it wasn't really articulated accordingly. There was also some other quirks where hosting had to be placed where many didn't expect it ... so it didn't work in Scranton's favor.

Ever since that year, we know that the top seeds are not "guaranteed" to host in a region. It is something I endorse as I not all regions are equal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:02:57 PM
Dave when you say we are you part of the committee?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:05:09 PM
Scranton was number 2 in the region so they were top 16 !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
One other question it was 2013-14 Dave who was the guy on the committee from the Middle Atlantic?I know who it was!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:13:31 PM
I love how we use the term geography! On the womens side Tufts and Scranton had to go to St louis so please with the geography!I drove that ride
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:02:57 PM
Dave when you say we are you part of the committee?

"We" as in those in Division III who cover it at the very least ... and general fans, coaches, and others to a larger degree. It has been a topic of conversation every year since. We talk about it often on Hoopsville. Tune in sometime. :)

Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:05:09 PM
Scranton was number 2 in the region so they were top 16 !

No ... you are #2 in the Mid-Atlantic Region. That doesn't automatically make a team Top 16 in the country. That's like the soccer coaches association whose Top 25s are based on regional polls. They take the top ones in each poll and put them in the top eight slots. They take the number-twos and put them 9-16. And onward. Do you really think maybe the second, third, or even fourth in another region is better than the number twos in other regions? Absolutely.

Thus my comment at the end. Not all regions are equal. I certainly don't think RPI will measure equal to most of the threes and fours in the other regions this year.

Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
One other question it was 2013-14 Dave who was the guy on the committee from the Middle Atlantic?I know who it was!

The national committee chair was Steve Uhrlich, Centennial Conference commissioner. Thus, Uhrlich was the chair of the Mid-Atlantic Region as well. But usually those decisions are based on the entire committee - not one person.

Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2020, 11:13:31 PM
I love how we use the term geography! On the womens side Tufts and Scranton had to go to St louis so please with the geography!I drove that ride

In the opening rounds of the tournament - thus the opening weekend - geography is a MAJOR sticking point. You are comparing to a second weekend, which is a different kettle of fish. Not worth comparing. The opening weekend, the committees get their hands tied more than later on (though, I can tell you many stories of a committee being told to change their bracket because the potential of too many flights in the second weekend had the NCAA tell them no).

So yeah ... geography for the opening weekend where you have to get teams to a site within 500 miles unless you are in extreme locations ... which this region doesn't have.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2020, 09:38:49 AM
Yep like shipping Valley Forge out to George Fox .Dave they screwed Scranton bottom line!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2020, 11:21:38 AM
I think Since the Royals have joined the Landmark they have never hosted even though they won it many times.Moraivian 1,Merchant Marines 1,Catholic 3 times,Susquehanna 2, I couldn't get on 2019,Scranton 0000000 and they have been in it 7 times!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 22, 2020, 09:38:49 AM
Yep like shipping Valley Forge out to George Fox .Dave they screwed Scranton bottom line!

There were three teams at George Fox that year and someone had to fly. It was actually pretty forward-thinking of the women's committee to send Penn State-Abington.

Not at all related to whether Scranton has earned home court in any given year that it has applied for it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
no way Scranton can host...likely on the road against drew?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2020, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
no way Scranton can host...likely on the road against drew?

Royals can host Drew if Catholic beats Drew today; Catholic trailing at half 33-21.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
Catholic down by only 2 with 3 mins to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2020, 04:08:54 PM
Drew defeats Catholic; Wed semis now set: Scranton @ Drew, Moravian @ Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 22, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 22, 2020, 04:08:54 PM
Drew defeats Catholic; Wed semis now set: Scranton @ Drew, Moravian @ Susquehanna.

I feel any of the top 3 could win the title. Scranton definitely with the toughest path. Susquehanna has been dominant over the past 5 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2020, 09:32:33 PM
 WRT the conference tourney, this season #3 has already won @ #2 and #4 @ #1, so the final could be Moravian @ Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 10:56:31 AM
So the guys go to Drew!Guard Collins with your life make every shot difficult.If he goes to the restroom follow him bottom line!Good Luck Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 06:42:28 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 22, 2020, 11:21:38 AM
I think Since the Royals have joined the Landmark they have never hosted even though they won it many times.Moraivian 1,Merchant Marines 1,Catholic 3 times,Susquehanna 2, I couldn't get on 2019,Scranton 0000000 and they have been in it 7 times!

You do realize several times they were in line to host, but the women were pretty good that year as well and got to host via the rotation of who has priority what years ... right? Stop blaming everyone and everything. This is how things work.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 06:46:09 PM
rofrog - we are on air with Hoopsville tonight: http://bit.ly/2T6OV1S

Feel free to tune in tonight, Thursday night, next Sunday, and Monday, March 2. Plenty to learn from the show.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 07:12:06 PM
Thanks Dave-I try to tune in everytime but something is wrong on my end I get everything but sound!I'm trying to figure what is wrong Sorry but I will catch up!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 07:12:06 PM
Thanks Dave-I try to tune in everytime but something is wrong on my end I get everything but sound!I'm trying to figure what is wrong Sorry but I will catch up!!!

Something is muted ... very strange.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Do the Royals show up Weds?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Do the Royals show up Weds?

With all the NJ/NY players in the rotation, they'll be hyperventilating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2020, 12:55:59 AM
Nepafan they better or it's another year wasted with alot of talent.Saratoga I see someone put up 60 million to build a new baseball Stadium at Binghamton Universiry-Was that you ?While talking about baseball i see Jack Lisicky son is playing for the Uof S baseball team(Jake Lisicky)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2020, 07:40:30 AM

Ro:

Unfortunately, the 60 million dollar donation was not from me.  ;)

Have you seen the drawings?

Enclosed club level seating, players study area, nutritional kitchen, video room, indoor hitting area, major league spec players lounge, whirlpools, saunas, exercise room...you name it, it's there.

Tim has certainly come a long way from the early days as we were moving from D3 to D2 and on to D1.

He's a great coach who busts his tail & this reward couldn't come to a more deserving guy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2020, 02:22:58 PM
No I didn't see the drawings,But it is suppose to be state of the art Stadium ,well deserved agreed!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2020, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Do the Royals show up Weds?

With all the NJ/NY players in the rotation, they'll be hyperventilating.

Tough to get excited about this one for me...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2020, 11:37:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2020, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Do the Royals show up Weds?

With all the NJ/NY players in the rotation, they'll be hyperventilating.

Tough to get excited about this one for me...

O ye of little faith!    ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 26, 2020, 08:43:35 PM
Well, they showed up tonight and kept fending off Drew rallies.  Bailey and Mancuso had monster games, and they're going to need a repeat performance in Selinsgrove on Saturday with the way that Susquehanna manhandled Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2020, 09:05:32 PM
Good thing I don't know what I am talking about..only caught the last 10 minutes of the game..good job men!



Mr. Bailey! 31 points!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 26, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
I felt good about Susquehanna winning comfortably tonight. Looks like Moravian had to do without Matt O'Conner. I had a sneaky feeling Scranton would win tonight. Drew didn't do too well in their games against Susquehanna and Scranton. I think they went 1-4 in those 5 games? The Riley Collins era comes to an end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 26, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
I felt good about Susquehanna winning comfortably tonight. Looks like Moravian had to do without Matt O'Conner. I had a sneaky feeling Scranton would win tonight. Drew didn't do too well in their games against Susquehanna and Scranton. I think they went 1-4 in those 5 games? The Riley Collins era comes to an end.

Not quite - Drew has an outside shot at a Pool C(after Johns Hopkins and York in the Mid-Atlantic) and if that fails, they've declared for the ECAC tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 26, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
Great game by Bailey,Danzing!Hey Nepafan-you asked a question about attendance at the games.I notice Susquehanna scheduled there game at 7pm while at the Long Center the minds came together and scheduled the game for 3 PM maybe just maybe people have things to do in the afternoon on a Saturday and would rather a 7 PM game.I think you would have more people showing up at 7 then 3 so Susquehanna used that to their advantage!While at the Long Center they will play at 3 PM.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 26, 2020, 10:56:00 PM
Also they did a hell of a job switching on Colin's,Like I said where ever he goes you go and they did a great job switching on him.Kudos Coach Danzing!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 27, 2020, 01:23:29 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 26, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
I felt good about Susquehanna winning comfortably tonight. Looks like Moravian had to do without Matt O'Conner. I had a sneaky feeling Scranton would win tonight. Drew didn't do too well in their games against Susquehanna and Scranton. I think they went 1-4 in those 5 games? The Riley Collins era comes to an end.

Not quite - Drew has an outside shot at a Pool C(after Johns Hopkins and York in the Mid-Atlantic) and if that fails, they've declared for the ECAC tourney.

They have to be right at the outer limits of the bubble. Sub .800 winning%, 1-1 vRRO, decent but not great SOS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 27, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
Yeah with the loss to Scranton, Drew has no shot at a Pool C.  They should be a high ECAC seed tho, possibly host.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2020, 10:08:13 AM
Nice moment after the game on the feed. Coach Danzig saying some words with Riley Collins and taking a moment after the game to what I assume is recognize the talent and effort.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 29, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
Coach Danzing how many Turnovers are you going to allow your son to throw away before you sit his ass???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 29, 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 29, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
Coach Danzing how many Turnovers are you going to allow your son to throw away before you sit his ass???

Ah, the Lenten season. Nice!! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 29, 2020, 09:05:52 PM
Congratulations to Susquehanna on their Landmark championship, and best of luck in the NCAA tourney.  The way they've been playing lately, they have a chance to make some noise.

As for the Royals, Coach Danzig better use the next 9 months to develop a press break.  26 points off of 24 turnovers (many of those off the press) won't ever get the job done.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 29, 2020, 09:05:52 PM
Congratulations to Susquehanna on their Landmark championship, and best of luck in the NCAA tourney.  The way they've been playing lately, they have a chance to make some noise.

As for the Royals, Coach Danzig better use the next 9 months to develop a press break.  26 points off of 24 turnovers (many of those off the press) won't ever get the job done.
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Pg is the #1 recruiting priority this year. Probably should have used Brian Monaghan more tonight; boxscore says he was in 3 mins w 1 assist and NO turnovers, but I didn't notice him at all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 29, 2020, 09:40:24 PM
Like I keep preaching if you have no discipline,They will fall back into bad Habits that is exactly what coached allowed with his son tonight, two consecutive inbound passes turned into turnovers and what happens not a damn thing.He should be riding a hot seat the next year(Coach)I know some of you are happy with him winning the landmark once in awhile but not me.It is a far cry from what Im use to at Scranton Basketball it is a shame what this program
has become under him!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 01, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2020, 09:23:37 PM

Pg is the #1 recruiting priority this year.

"Is," or "needs to be"?  I'm hoping it's the former, because lack of a true point guard on Danzig's teams has been noticeable recently.  Talented athletes but they could use someone to be the court general. 

Ronk, I believe you were the one who quipped at one point they should re-recruit Randy Arnold.  I'd be on board with that!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2020, 08:08:05 AM

Tim:

Danzig has needed a true point for years now & he never seems to land the kid that knows the role, can direct traffic, play D, drive, dish & take & hit some outside shots.

It's not rocket science, expand your comfortable recruiting base and bring in a kid that can run the show or kids like Bailey, Danzig & all the others will continue to suffer the same fate as this group just did & last years team & the team before them.

How Danzig could not be ready for Frank's press after they faced the same game plan earlier down in the Grove is mind boggling.

His game management skills are baffling and after all the years he's coached his ability to prepare for & then make adjustments is worse now than ever.

When you look back & see the amount of close games they've lost this season it becomes rather telling.

Well coached teams at least split those games.

Throw in another blowout in a big game and that's pretty much a microcosm of Royal's basketball these days.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 01, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2020, 09:23:37 PM

Pg is the #1 recruiting priority this year.

"Is," or "needs to be"?  I'm hoping it's the former, because lack of a true point guard on Danzig's teams has been noticeable recently.  Talented athletes but they could use someone to be the court general. 

Ronk, I believe you were the one who quipped at one point they should re-recruit Randy Arnold.  I'd be on board with that!  ;D

You certainly want C.B. West's Randy Arnold from back in the day....................not the one now who is getting whooped in old man basketball at PSC!! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2020, 11:31:54 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 01, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2020, 09:23:37 PM

Pg is the #1 recruiting priority this year.

"Is," or "needs to be"?  I'm hoping it's the former, because lack of a true point guard on Danzig's teams has been noticeable recently.  Talented athletes but they could use someone to be the court general. 

Ronk, I believe you were the one who quipped at one point they should re-recruit Randy Arnold.  I'd be on board with that!  ;D

You certainly want C.B. West's Randy Arnold from back in the day....................not the one now who is getting whooped in old man basketball at PSC!! :)

Even with Randy, Scranton got pressed out of an NCAA tourney game against Elms; in his case, they didn't lose the ball on turnovers, but so much time and energy was expended in breaking the press, that there wasn't enough left to run their offense, even though Scranton had the better personnel.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2020, 08:11:53 AM

No pool C bid for the Royals??  ::)

And to think they received 7 first place votes to win the league in the pre-season coaches poll.

Never has so little been done with so much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2020, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2020, 08:11:53 AM

No pool C bid for the Royals??  ::)

And to think they received 7 first place votes to win the league in the pre-season coaches poll.

Never has so little been done with so much.

;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 29, 2020, 09:30:37 PM

If you're interested, this audio of the station carrying Scranton games was recently found.
This game, the Royals vs. Widener in the 1983 NCAA playoffs went 3 OT's and is considered by many to be the greatest game ever played in the illustrious history of the Long Center.
The Royals went on to win their second National Championship that year & current Royals star Logan Bailey's dad Todd was the hero for the Royal's going down the stretch nailing multiple crucial one & ones.
Unfortunately, the roar of the fans in the background, the crowd of 3,500 & championship basketball are but a distant memory these days in Royaland.
Stay healthy & enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNopHLdz7KY
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2020, 11:52:09 PM
 Got a VCR tape of the NCAA championship game from that year somewhere in the house but couldn't find it when I looked for it a couple of years ago. Will look for it again while we're decluttering(downsizing).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 30, 2020, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 29, 2020, 11:52:09 PM
Got a VCR tape of the NCAA championship game from that year somewhere in the house but couldn't find it when I looked for it a couple of years ago. Will look for it again while we're decluttering(downsizing).

wow that would be awesome!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 30, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 29, 2020, 09:30:37 PM

If you're interested, this audio of the station carrying Scranton games was recently found.
This game, the Royals vs. Widener in the 1983 NCAA playoffs went 3 OT's and is considered by many to be the greatest game ever played in the illustrious history of the Long Center.
The Royals went on to win their second National Championship that year & current Royals star Logan Bailey's dad Todd was the hero for the Royal's going down the stretch nailing multiple crucial one & ones.
Unfortunately, the roar of the fans in the background, the crowd of 3,500 & championship basketball are but a distant memory these days in Royaland.
Stay healthy & enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNopHLdz7KY

Enjoyed the broadcast and the still photos while it was playing. Especially, leading scorer/rebounder Jeff Jones initiating contact with Scranton despite having offers from VA Tech and Cincinnati, among others. Jeff said he owed his rebounding success to a tip from Adrian Dantley during a teen basketball camp; I'll mention it to AD the next time I see him at our fitness center.
  Another photo was of the '76 national champions, 1 of whom was Phil Johnson who's been to Royals' doubleheaders @ Catholic and Goucher the last few years and the Ladys' post-season conference championship @ Catholic.
  The Scranton Journal had a story 2 years ago about the '76 and '83 championship teams. The NCAA allowed athletic scholarships in '76 and the starters were from 2 high schools(Holy Ghost(3) in Philly and Douglass(2 Johnsons(Phil and Irvin) in MD. By '83 however, the Royals were from NEPA, mainly, although the PG in each case was from Holy Ghost. Maybe, we should be looking there again since it's been 10 years w/o a good PG. We had 1 possibility about 6 years ago but he suffered an injury his frosh year and couldn't play afterwards.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 17, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
https://twitter.com/JackLisicky/status/1250943346610225152


This is great!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 19, 2020, 06:07:51 PM

NEPA:

Great pic...just saw this the other day.

All choir boys!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 24, 2020, 10:00:21 AM
What has the world come to when people can't see the WINNING Danzig gives the program. I am sorry but Scranton is nothing special these days, AT ALL, in any way, many schools have caught up to the powers of yesterday and frankly have surpassed them. No recurit today cares about a national championship run how ever many years ago, different age, they are more concerned with how many people like their latest social media post. Some expect Scranton to literally win a national title with a roster from NEPA... get out of here ... times have changed and to think you are winning with NEPA kids all day is borderline laughable. The recruiting landscape in general has changed with tuition costs and less college bound 17-18 years looking for schools today than 20 years ago. Take the top 3 players from Scranton, Marywood, Kings, Wilkes and Misericordia and STILL you aren't better than you are now. Maybe a win or two more. Lets argue the below to start (and no national title or final 4 will get you laughed at):

2019-20 (19-8, 10-4 LAND)
2018-19 (20-6, 9-5 LAND)
2017-18 (13-12, 9-5 LAND)
2016-17 (22-7, 11-3 LAND)
2015-16 (19-8, 11-5 LAND)
2014-15 (23-6, 14-2 LAND)
2013-14 (24-4, 12-2 LAND)
2012-13 (19-7, 10-4 LAND)
2011-12 (23-8, 11-3 LAND)
2010-11 (20-6, 11-3 LAND)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2020, 01:07:34 PM
I used the premature end of the season to get caught up and update all of those team records much earlier than previous years, so it's nice to see them all used. Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 24, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
CC:

Never let the facts get in the way of a point you're trying to make.

Scranton trying to win championships with a roster "full of NEPA kids"???

Really?

Take a look at the roster...two, as in 2, kids from NEPA.

One is the coach's son & the other, Logan Bailey, could probably start at some Patriot League schools.

I certainly agree that as team they have all but disappeared from the national scene but where their roster is from is pure fiction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 24, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 24, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
CC:

Never let the facts get in the way of a point you're trying to make.

Scranton trying to win championships with a roster "full of NEPA kids"???

Really?

Take a look at the roster...two, as in 2, kids from NEPA.

One is the coach's son & the other, Logan Bailey, could probably start at some Patriot League schools.

I certainly agree that as team they have all but disappeared from the national scene but where their roster is from is pure fiction.

I love Scranton (the school, not really the City) but are you telling me that Bailey actually turned down offers from the likes of Navy, Bucknell and Lehigh to go to Scranton......................or that those schools blew it by not offering him a scholarship? If he is that good, I'd bet on myself, walk on to a Patriot League team and get a full ride for my final year or two.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2020, 12:44:26 AM

jm:

No, I didn't say Logan was offered scholarships to any of those schools.

What I said was after seeing him numerous times this past season, he could "probably start' at some Patriot League schools.

I saw Lafayette/Loyola this year and there is no doubt in my mind he'd play with either of them.

Scranton has one big problem preventing them from attaining success on a higher level...geographic roster makeup is the least of those concerns.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: nyhoopstalk on April 25, 2020, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on April 24, 2020, 10:00:21 AM
What has the world come to when people can't see the WINNING Danzig gives the program. I am sorry but Scranton is nothing special these days, AT ALL, in any way, many schools have caught up to the powers of yesterday and frankly have surpassed them. No recurit today cares about a national championship run how ever many years ago, different age, they are more concerned with how many people like their latest social media post. Some expect Scranton to literally win a national title with a roster from NEPA... get out of here ... times have changed and to think you are winning with NEPA kids all day is borderline laughable. The recruiting landscape in general has changed with tuition costs and less college bound 17-18 years looking for schools today than 20 years ago. Take the top 3 players from Scranton, Marywood, Kings, Wilkes and Misericordia and STILL you aren't better than you are now. Maybe a win or two more. Lets argue the below to start (and no national title or final 4 will get you laughed at):

2019-20 (19-8, 10-4 LAND)
2018-19 (20-6, 9-5 LAND)
2017-18 (13-12, 9-5 LAND)
2016-17 (22-7, 11-3 LAND)
2015-16 (19-8, 11-5 LAND)
2014-15 (23-6, 14-2 LAND)
2013-14 (24-4, 12-2 LAND)
2012-13 (19-7, 10-4 LAND)
2011-12 (23-8, 11-3 LAND)
2010-11 (20-6, 11-3 LAND)

Scranton does very well recruiting in New Jersey. In my opinion, Scranton has not done themselves any favors lately in their non-conference scheduling to prepare themselves for the big games in February\March. The Landmark has not proven to test them efficiently enough without some tough matchups in their non conference games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 26, 2020, 08:05:36 PM

nyhoops:

Correct...Scranton's non conference schedule has done them no favors in recent years.

As for recruiting Jersey kids, correct again.

They've always had players from north, central & southern Jersey as part of the team makeup.

I think this year it was 3/5 of the starting lineup.









































Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 27, 2020, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 25, 2020, 12:44:26 AM

jm:

No, I didn't say Logan was offered scholarships to any of those schools.

What I said was after seeing him numerous times this past season, he could "probably start' at some Patriot League schools.

I saw Lafayette/Loyola this year and there is no doubt in my mind he'd play with either of them.

Scranton has one big problem preventing them from attaining success on a higher level...geographic roster makeup is the least of those concerns.

Gotcha! Thanks Saratoga!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 27, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
So do we just over-rate Scranton's talent? Who had more talent this year, Susquehanna or Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 28, 2020, 12:00:29 AM
 Looks like the bar has been set very high; going into the past season, Carl Danzig ranked 17th among active coaches in winning %(.697) and 31st all-time; the past season was even slightly higher(.704).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 28, 2020, 02:22:20 PM

Playing schools such as Bard, Houghton, & Sarah Lawrence is bound to inflate that w/% each year.

How many deep runs into the NCAA tournament?

Heck, how many overall trips to the tournament?

How many one & done's?

Hell, can he ever make it out of Selingsgrove with a W?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 28, 2020, 02:22:20 PM

Playing schools such as Bard, Houghton, & Sarah Lawrence is bound to inflate that w/% each year.

How many deep runs into the NCAA tournament?

Heck, how many overall trips to the tournament?

How many one & done's?

Hell, can he ever make it out of Selingsgrove with a W?

Were you in the Andrejko camp in 2001?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 29, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
Years ago we had the infamous comment re: XXXXXXX on XXXXXXX crime. As an Italian whose last name ends with a vowel, I know of what I speak. ;)

At times, this board feels like Scranton on Scranton crime (so to speak)

Let's go watch The Office reruns and all get along. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 29, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 29, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
Years ago we had the infamous comment re: XXXXXXX on XXXXXXX crime. As an Italian whose last name ends with a vowel, I know of what I speak. ;)

At times, this board feels like Scranton on Scranton crime (so to speak)

Let's go watch The Office reruns and all get along. :)

We're cool with each other; just a few opinionated guys.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 29, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 29, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
Years ago we had the infamous comment re: XXXXXXX on XXXXXXX crime. As an Italian whose last name ends with a vowel, I know of what I speak. ;)

At times, this board feels like Scranton on Scranton crime (so to speak)

Let's go watch The Office reruns and all get along. :)

We're cool with each other; just a few opinionated guys.  ;)

Yeah who else we going to spar with, no one else posts here :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 29, 2020, 04:20:48 PM
I love it (and what I said was tongue-in-cheek.....................but even a tongue in or on someone else's cheek would be verboten today ;) )
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 29, 2020, 07:54:27 PM
I like to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 29, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
NEPA:

Probably.

I knew JP a little back then, he was one of their best players, and he had been assisting Bess for 5 or 6 years.

Seemed like a logical next step at the time to me.

Enter a new AD & the rest, as they say, is history.

On another topic:

Dmac: Any truth that Goucher may be looking at "other" conference options in the near future?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2020, 01:51:11 PM
If anyone has listened to me, you would have heard me talk about wondering if my alma mater needs to look for a different option. I know conference(s) have contacted Goucher, but I don't think that is out of the norm in general. That happens FAR more often for all schools than people realize.

The problem, which I have stated here a few times, is higher administration at Goucher hasn't either supported athletics or recognized it as an important part of the campus/college in a LONG time. As a result, budgets get tighter, resources smaller, and coaches asked to do more than just the basics (being general here for simplicity). The department is then asked to succeed with less and less.

When Goucher entered the Landmark, sports like lacrosse were juggernauts. I was specifically told the reason for the move was because the Landmark would help Goucher in sports like men's lacrosse (where it is tough to get out from behind Salisbury and SMC at the time) and others. (To be clear, I didn't buy it then and didn't like it.) But in a few years, it became a moot point. It was almost like administration started feeling that since the school was no longer in the CAC, cuts could be made or at least the bar lowered and the results would be the same ... that's my thinking to be clear. The 18-19 academic year was pitiful for the department. Around 10 conference wins in ALL sports combined.

My point being ... I wouldn't think it a bad thing if Goucher went to another conference. At the very least until administration decided to finally treat athletics a bit more like they did in the 1990s and early 2000s and realize the benefit of that investment. For as diverse a school as Goucher, it blows me away with how they can't figure it out in terms of getting athletics competitive again.

Changing conferences would at least give student-athletes a fighting chance at conference championships and NCAA tournament berths at least once in their tenure. Currently, it is more like once in a blue moon. What kind of experience is that for student-athletes? I know most coaches (I can't speak for all) are working their tails off trying to recruit and improve their programs. I have seen the differences, but recruits aren't dumb. They know where they will be in the fight and where they won't be more times than not. Not all were like me (at the time) and just enjoyed the idea of playing. To really improve you have to bring in players who want to win and to get those you have to prove winning is achievable.

Being in the Landmark isn't proving to be winnable for Goucher - and the Landmark is a very winnable conference in most, if not all, sports.

The argument I have received in return is "imagine how special it would be to prove we can win in the Landmark." I don't disagree with this sentiment. It would be special, especially with all the internal challenges, but is a once in a while championship (outside of men's tennis apparently) that proves people wrong from a hot minute better than winning more often and getting Goucher's name at least somewhat in the headlines with more NCAA tournament berths?

So change to a conference that will still be competitive (don't go to the bottom of the barrel), but also allows Goucher to win. It is the opposite than my thinking when the school left the CAC - but that ship has sailed. I would rather be in a CAC situation where you have to make an effort (i.e. administration can't pretend that cutting the budget or barely giving support will work because they KNOW it would be detrimental) and the conference and the competition by default makes one better. At least Goucher was more competitive at that time than they are now. But again, that ship has sailed and now you have to consider the current situation and adjust.

From what I have learned, I think a lot of coaches would be on board (and again, for different reasons than leaving the CAC), but administration isn't ... the idea of proving you can win in the Landmark occasionally still drives the thinking.

So there is a long answer to the question ... is Goucher looking around. I know they have had overtures, but last I checked they have been rebuffed. However, I know the topic has been and will continue to be discussed ... but in this day in age, that is also nothing new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 30, 2020, 04:16:28 PM

Thanks Dave.

An overview easy to understand.

The one point I'd be concerned about though...if the Administration at Goucher knew back in the CAC days that they couldn't be successful running an athletic department on the cheap, what in heavens name drives them to that finding these days?

I mean at some point there has to be an serious internal review that will guide the department into the foreseeable future otherwise, programs will begin to fade away on their own

Unless, of course.......
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 01, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 29, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
NEPA:

Probably.

I knew JP a little back then, he was one of their best players, and he had been assisting Bess for 5 or 6 years.

Seemed like a logical next step at the time to me.

Enter a new AD & the rest, as they say, is history.

On another topic:

Dmac: Any truth that Goucher may be looking at "other" conference options in the near future?

Okay, that is fair. 1 May...anyone who is going to play hoops at the U has to make their decision by today. Transfer Window still open...  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 01, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 01, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 29, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
NEPA:

Probably.

I knew JP a little back then, he was one of their best players, and he had been assisting Bess for 5 or 6 years.

Seemed like a logical next step at the time to me.

Enter a new AD & the rest, as they say, is history.

On another topic:

Dmac: Any truth that Goucher may be looking at "other" conference options in the near future?

Okay, that is fair. 1 May...anyone who is going to play hoops at the U has to make their decision by today. Transfer Window still open...  ;D

Not likely to be enforced this extremely unusual year due to covid-19;schools will be competing to fill their class with applicants being forced to sit out the year financially; admissions' code of ethics has been reduced by Justice to the degree that there will be still be competition for admitted students and even potential xfers from previous classes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 01, 2020, 10:15:25 AM

Ronk:

I've currently misplaced my Buster Brown decoder...any chance you can translate that last one?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 01, 2020, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on May 01, 2020, 10:15:25 AM

Ronk:

I've currently misplaced my Buster Brown decoder...any chance you can translate that last one?  ;)

I got it from the following newspaper article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/desperate-for-fall-enrollment-colleges-are-luring-students-with-campus-perks-and-cold-cash/2020/04/22/b6452686-8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 01, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
I actually was president of the Pennsylvania Association for College Admission Counseling when the Department of Justice began investigating admissions profession's national Code of Ethics & Professional Practices (CEPP).  Basically, the DoJ believed that portions of  the CEPP violated anti-trust law and restricted competition.  As part of the agreement that the national association entered into, they eliminated three sections of the CEPP, including the restriction on knowingly recruiting students who had committed to another college.

Thus, while May 1 remains the National Candidate's reply deadline (the date by which students must notify colleges of their intent to enroll), colleges can now continue to recruit potential freshman after that point.  Similarly, colleges used to not be able to initiate contact with students at other colleges to entice transferring (students had to initiate that process); now colleges can.

This year, given the COVID-19 situation with colleges going to remote learning, the opportunities for students to visit in person was eliminated.  So high school students have been having difficulty making the most informed decision.  Recognizing that, many colleges have opted to push the enrollment deposit deadline back to June 1 or even later.   

As Ronk noted, many families' financial situations have changed, which is making enrollment this fall difficult.  Other students may not want to start in college right away since there is a strong likelihood that classes will start out remote in the fall.  Rather than do that, they would defer their enrollment until they are able to start up in person.  This is wreaking havoc on college's enrollment predictive modeling, and may require them to go deeper into their waitlist.  And given later enrollment deadlines, this could drag the process of enrolling their class deeper into the summer than usual. 

And if that weren't enough, if students do defer, that could mean fewer spots available for next year's freshmen (the current juniors). Or, going in the completely opposite direction:  colleges could severely under-enroll this fall and that would open up MORE spots for next year.  So both the class of 2020 and the class of 2021 are very anxious right now! 

Needless to say, this is a very complicated scenario, and this could have wide-ranging impact on colleges.  Many colleges who were already operating on razor-thin margins and were in danger of closing, could see an acceleration of their financial woes.  I've seen projections where as many as 20% of colleges may be forced to close in the aftermath of COVID-19.  I think that's a little high, and many colleges who might otherwise close will be able to act nimbly enough to keep their doors open.  At least I hope so, because the bulk of colleges affected will likely be the small, DIII colleges.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 01, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
 Tim,
   I couldn't have said it better myself and, as evidenced by Saratoga's query, I evidently didn't.   ;D
thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on May 01, 2020, 02:39:59 PM
Have wander into the Landmark board because of ronk....and am not interested on the topics being discussed on the Nescac boards.  Anyway, Tim the Enchanter's post followed by ronk's post wrt to a Wash Post's article caught my interest.  The WSJ today also had an article wrt to the impact of Con19 on higher education, admissions, etc.  Many schools may have to close due to financial reasons...Fall sports maybe delayed/dropped, etc.  May 1 has arrived and schools are pushing for admitted students to commit....admitted students may delay going to college until a full residential/sports filled college life becomes available, etc. 
Nescac schools' websites are providing "virtual lures"...my phrasing...to get students to commit/make deposits.  Seems College Fall openings is being put on hold by the pandemic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 01, 2020, 03:14:37 PM

Tim:

Thank you.

I've read that there are several small schools in Upstate NY that were walking a very perilous line of survival prior to the Covid-19 outbreak, now their fate may be sealed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 01, 2020, 03:14:37 PM

Tim:

Thank you.

I've read that there are several small schools in Upstate NY that were walking a very perilous line of survival prior to the Covid-19 outbreak, now their fate may be sealed.

Wells College has been walking a tight rope for several years ... they are one of several I'm watching. And some of this may not be truly felt until a year from now. I suspect we will get two more "waves" of closures: later this summer as enrollment dates pushed later into the year due to C19 will come and go and schools will see the reality; a year from now when a year has gone and now mounting bills (which may have been taken care of already this academic year) start to come due.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2020, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 30, 2020, 04:16:28 PM

Thanks Dave.

An overview easy to understand.

The one point I'd be concerned about though...if the Administration at Goucher knew back in the CAC days that they couldn't be successful running an athletic department on the cheap, what in heavens name drives them to that finding these days?

I mean at some point there has to be an serious internal review that will guide the department into the foreseeable future otherwise, programs will begin to fade away on their own

Unless, of course.......

The higher administration in terms of the CAC ... I'm not sure their thinking. I just know this: there was a far bigger budget during the CAC and early Landmark days than there is now. There have been costing cutting upon cost cutting of the department for several years going now (which makes me wonder how much longer they will keep paying for me; so far so good, but ...).

I think the new administration is just piling on ... the real problem is there are parts of the campus, or professors and others in particular, who still have FAR too much say on campus ... and having athletics on campus is "beneath them." While that voice remains, it may be impossible for any administration to finally give athletics a chance. I see that in the presidents hired by Goucher - despite former athletes serving on the Board - the sway particular areas have, for reasons I am not of understanding, will continue to keep athletics in check.

What those areas don't realize is they can't have their cake and eat it, too. They want to pretend that the only way to have a high-education school of the way they like is to not have athletics ... while ignoring the very simple fact that to achieve the levels they speak of they only have to look at NESCACs and others and see athletics as a major part of the curriculum and experience. And if they keep hurting athletics, there will be less students and their paychecks and departments will be directly impacted.

When I was a student, athletes made up about 30% of the student body (I believe). That number is now south of 18%. Teams, for the most part, are smaller than they used to be ... especially ones like lacrosse, track & field, and others that should be large and supply a boost to enrollment and other things.

I wish more common sense was at play and the understanding that successful athletics can exist in harmony with higher-education. There are a number of schools that do it very well and Goucher could be killing it in all rhealms (especially considering their location) if they would just get their head's out of their asses.

To be clear, I am NOT talking about the athletic department for the most part ... but others on campus. I used to joke, there is a reason athletics is on the outside loop of the campus. Until recently, basically only maintenance and such were also outside the campus loop.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 01, 2020, 06:47:30 PM
From today's Wall Street Journal today:

Many students said they do not want to make a decision about the fall until they know for sure whether campuses will reopen. Johnny Kennevan, a senior at Seneca High School in Tabernacle, N.J., was recruited to play basketball at York College in Pennsylvania. But his plans would likely change if the campus is still closed, he said.

"It doesn't make sense to pay 20 grand to sit at my computer at home and take online courses," he said. "You can get the same education from a community college".

Some schools are waving deposit requirements, particularly for foreign students, who are especially valuable to universities because most pay full tuition. And experts say that the number of wait-listed students who are now getting offers, shows that even some of the most selective schools are acting more aggressively to fill freshman classes.

"People are coming off wait lists all over the place right now," said Debra Felix, a former admissions director at Columbia University who now runs her own student advising service. "It tells me that the yes's are coming back very slowly, or people are getting back to them quickly with no's."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(1) How many Johnny Kennevan's are out there?

(2) How many schools will not be around in 12 - 24 months?

(3) York 'packages' very well. 20 grand all-in for a $70K+/year college? Money talks..................and can show in the results on the court/field. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2020, 09:01:21 PM
York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 02, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2020, 09:01:21 PM
York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/

Damn!!! For a solid academic, private school, THAT is unreal!! They don't need to 'package' much at all. They might very well be the least expensive (or near) school in the MAC when they come in shortly. Yikes!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 02, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 02, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2020, 09:01:21 PM
York (Pa.) list price is a little over $36K per year, room/board/books.

https://www.ycp.edu/about-us/offices-and-departments/business-office/tuition-and-fees/

Damn!!! For a solid academic, private school, THAT is unreal!! They don't need to 'package' much at all. They might very well be the least expensive (or near) school in the MAC when they come in shortly. Yikes!!

The entire premise at YCP is that they don't charge more than basically the basic price. It isn't high and then they play games with the discounts and packages to make it seem like the costs are lower.

Albright announced they were moving to the same pricing idea just before YCP was announced was coming to the MAC (as I was able to confirm rather quietly LOL). That announcement was basically a significant hint that YCP was coming to the MAC for those of us following things.

When you start looking at discounts and packages at most schools, they start to get down to where YCP is. As one person told me at one of the schools mentioned here (paraphrasing): we just tell people we are telling you the truth on the cost of attending our college, not playing games to make you think that you are getting a discount on anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 04, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
There has been a great deal of conversation among higher education bout the current tuition model and discount rate.  Neither of them are sustainable as the tuition has been increasing beyond inflation for several years, and many colleges are needing to discount at higher rates than they can afford to do.  Some colleges average over a 50% discount rate, with the thought that it's better to give them a little bit more and get half of the tuition than to not get it at all.

Several colleges have "reset" tuition in recent years to come to a model similar to York's.  Drew, Utica and Rosemont come to mind.  They will charge a lower sticker price but try to hold closer to that rather than give out scholarships that cover more than half of the original, higher tuition.  Some see this as a gimmick, and it's too recent to do a longitudinal study to see if that model is more or less sustainable as others.  So we'll see if this helps to keep colleges afloat who might be struggling financially.  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2020, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on May 04, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
There has been a great deal of conversation among higher education bout the current tuition model and discount rate.  Neither of them are sustainable as the tuition has been increasing beyond inflation for several years, and many colleges are needing to discount at higher rates than they can afford to do.  Some colleges average over a 50% discount rate, with the thought that it's better to give them a little bit more and get half of the tuition than to not get it at all.

Several colleges have "reset" tuition in recent years to come to a model similar to York's.  Drew, Utica and Rosemont come to mind.  They will charge a lower sticker price but try to hold closer to that rather than give out scholarships that cover more than half of the original, higher tuition.  Some see this as a gimmick, and it's too recent to do a longitudinal study to see if that model is more or less sustainable as others.  So we'll see if this helps to keep colleges afloat who might be struggling financially.  Only time will tell.

I think keeping schools afloat versus the recruiting game are two different animals. My reference was strictly to the recruiting side of things - thus why Albright went to the YCP model shortly before it was announced YCP was coming to the MACC.

But I do agree with your thinking that the cost of school, versus the tuition listed (sticker price in my book), versus what schools will need to do to stay afloat is going to be a very interesting discussion and something to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 08, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on May 01, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
I actually was president of the Pennsylvania Association for College Admission Counseling when the Department of Justice began investigating admissions profession's national Code of Ethics & Professional Practices (CEPP).  Basically, the DoJ believed that portions of  the CEPP violated anti-trust law and restricted competition.  As part of the agreement that the national association entered into, they eliminated three sections of the CEPP, including the restriction on knowingly recruiting students who had committed to another college.

Thus, while May 1 remains the National Candidate's reply deadline (the date by which students must notify colleges of their intent to enroll), colleges can now continue to recruit potential freshman after that point.  Similarly, colleges used to not be able to initiate contact with students at other colleges to entice transferring (students had to initiate that process); now colleges can.

This year, given the COVID-19 situation with colleges going to remote learning, the opportunities for students to visit in person was eliminated.  So high school students have been having difficulty making the most informed decision.  Recognizing that, many colleges have opted to push the enrollment deposit deadline back to June 1 or even later.   

As Ronk noted, many families' financial situations have changed, which is making enrollment this fall difficult.  Other students may not want to start in college right away since there is a strong likelihood that classes will start out remote in the fall.  Rather than do that, they would defer their enrollment until they are able to start up in person.  This is wreaking havoc on college's enrollment predictive modeling, and may require them to go deeper into their waitlist.  And given later enrollment deadlines, this could drag the process of enrolling their class deeper into the summer than usual. 

And if that weren't enough, if students do defer, that could mean fewer spots available for next year's freshmen (the current juniors). Or, going in the completely opposite direction:  colleges could severely under-enroll this fall and that would open up MORE spots for next year.  So both the class of 2020 and the class of 2021 are very anxious right now! 

Needless to say, this is a very complicated scenario, and this could have wide-ranging impact on colleges.  Many colleges who were already operating on razor-thin margins and were in danger of closing, could see an acceleration of their financial woes.  I've seen projections where as many as 20% of colleges may be forced to close in the aftermath of COVID-19.  I think that's a little high, and many colleges who might otherwise close will be able to act nimbly enough to keep their doors open.  At least I hope so, because the bulk of colleges affected will likely be the small, DIII colleges.

  With Scranton WBB announcing their incoming class yesterday, it occurred to me that there doesn't appear to be a significant difference between this change for college students in general and the NCAA regulation in particular wrt to NLIs for high school prospects and/or current college scholarship players. May the competition for prospects/players be waged ceaselessly now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 08, 2020, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 08, 2020, 09:57:13 AM

  With Scranton WBB announcing their incoming class yesterday, it occurred to me that there doesn't appear to be a significant difference between this change for college students in general and the NCAA regulation in particular wrt to NLIs for high school prospects and/or current college scholarship players. May the competition for prospects/players be waged ceaselessly now?

To my knowledge, the DoJ has not investigated the NCAA for possible anti-trust violations the way that they did the National Association for College Admission Counseling.  I wouldn't be surprised if that does happen, though...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2020, 04:36:53 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 17, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
2020 PG Nick Crowe from Devon Prep (where Jason Fisher is AD) commits to the Royals. 

https://twitter.com/DevonPrepBBall/status/1261743803226042370/photo/1

Let's hope he's the point guard this program needs!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 17, 2020, 07:01:25 PM
 Good catch, Tim! Can't tell from his Hudl videos if he'll be the answer; the snippets are too short and show only driving/shooting, not ballhandling/dribbling/defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2020, 08:28:12 PM
Looks like Fisher is coach too.

He's one of the toughest kids I've ever coached," Fisher said of Crowe. "He looks like he's still in grade school, but when he has the ball in his hands, he changes speeds so well, changes direction so well, and runs the team."

Thanks for the find!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 27, 2020, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on May 17, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
2020 PG Nick Crowe from Devon Prep (where Jason Fisher is AD) commits to the Royals. 

https://twitter.com/DevonPrepBBall/status/1261743803226042370/photo/1

Let's hope he's the point guard this program needs!

Another PG has committed to Scranton Mater Dei's Tahaj Parland...

https://highschoolsports.nj.com/player/tahaj-parland
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 28, 2020, 12:24:48 AM
 Makes 4 newcomers - 3 frosh(F,PG(2)) and 1 Xfer(SG) for the Royals. Advocated for a W from my fitness center but haven't seen him since covid closed the center in March. Still hoping.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 30, 2020, 08:18:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 28, 2020, 12:24:48 AM
Makes 4 newcomers - 3 frosh(F,PG(2)) and 1 Xfer(SG) for the Royals. Advocated for a W from my fitness center but haven't seen him since covid closed the center in March. Still hoping.

Incoming class posted on twitter.  No reference to Crowe nor Ronk's wing...

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1266016696780959747
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 30, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
 I speculate that Crowe was missing because he doesn't have a hilite video, only individual snippets. Regardless, he still could have been mentioned.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 30, 2020, 09:15:34 PM


Looks like Danzig is about 2 years late bringing in a point.

With no real post presence with Matt's graduation, I guess they'll be dishing to the wings for more Royals basketball...bombs away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 01, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Ryan Ems...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 01, 2020, 04:34:58 PM

We'll see.
Not sure he's a fulltime, 30 minute per game kind of player.
Thinking back on post players that never really had a point setting them up:
*Brenden Boken
*John Vitkus
*Drew Schankweiler
*Matt Mancuso
Better late than never.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 02, 2020, 10:46:49 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 01, 2020, 04:34:58 PM

We'll see.
Not sure he's a fulltime, 30 minute per game kind of player.
Thinking back on post players that never really had a point setting them up:
*Brenden Boken
*John Vitkus
*Drew Schankweiler
*Matt Mancuso
Better late than never.

Post player.................ahhhh, when basketball WAS basketball ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 31, 2020, 05:35:09 PM

Just received word the Landmark is now officially shutting down athletics for the fall semester.
More to come.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:05:21 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
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And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 21, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
Royals announce their incoming class(again):
https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20200821jb2r2h

1 addition: Scott Graffam 6-0  G  George Mason(VA) post grad yr @ Bridgton Academy(ME)

from hilites, looks like a driving,shooting guard

no word on Jason Fisher's PG(Crowe) who had earlier committed 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 21, 2020, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: ronk on August 21, 2020, 02:46:19 PM
Royals announce their incoming class(again):
https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20200821jb2r2h

1 addition: Scott Graffam 6-0  G  George Mason(VA) post grad yr @ Brighton Academy(ME)

from hilites, looks like a driving,shooting guard

no word on Jason Fisher's PG(Crowe) who had earlier committed

Thanks Ronk,

anyone know anything about Brighton Academy?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 21, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
Bridgton is an all boys, all PG boarding school in Maine.  I actually interviewed to be their admissions director 20 years ago. :)

It's a historically strong program, playing against a lot of the New England Prep Schools and holding its own.  They've had a few dozen alumni go DI, but I don't know what their track record has been recently.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 21, 2020, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on August 21, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
Bridgton is an all boys, all PG boarding school in Maine.  I actually interviewed to be their admissions director 20 years ago. :)

It's a historically strong program, playing against a lot of the New England Prep Schools and holding its own.  They've had a few dozen alumni go DI, but I don't know what their track record has been recently.

A lot of reasons alums go D1 is because they use the PG year to get their grades and scores up to get into D1 schools. Pretty common tactic. Not always are the PG years for any other reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 22, 2020, 03:07:55 PM
Scranton's roster is up.  No surprises:  all available returners are on it, as are the four announced newcomers.

Hopefully they'll be able to play this winter...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 27, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on October 22, 2020, 03:07:55 PM
Scranton's roster is up.  No surprises:  all available returners are on it, as are the four announced newcomers.

Hopefully they'll be able to play this winter...

Thanks Tim,

Best case is January is that correct? Conference only? I assume no fans...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:07:00 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

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Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 03, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
Great article on former Susquehanna assistant (and new Chestnut Hill head coach) JJ Butler:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1131050
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2020, 11:55:57 PM
 Pic tweeted by Royals' MBB shows some type of practice although not all players were dressed for physical activity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2020, 08:28:10 PM
 Tentative league schedules for bball to be released by Dec 4; pre-pandemic schedule already existed with 1st game normally on 1st Sat in Dec(5th), but revision will probably depend on the # of schools that will try to play this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
Considering schools like Goucher don't even have students on campus ... I am not holding my breathe right now.

The Landmark also did this in the fall ... made an announcement that they were pushing ahead only to cancel fall sports a short time later. I am just unsure at this point whether there will be any conference schedule or if schools will be playing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
 Looks like the Royals announce another commit tonight; have no idea whom at this point. Time to initiate the Royal search algorithms.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2020, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
Looks like the Royals announce another commit tonight; have no idea whom at this point. Time to initiate the Royal search algorithms.

Reporting for duty. I'll take first shift.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 18, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
2nd shift got it.   ;D

Colin Merriman, PG out of Camden Catholic is the latest Royals commit:

https://twitter.com/ColinMerrim9/status/1329175457284169729
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on November 18, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
2nd shift got it.   ;D

Colin Merriman, PG out of Camden Catholic is the latest Royals commit:

https://twitter.com/ColinMerrim9/status/1329175457284169729

Scranton Basketball liked
Ari Rosenfeld
@ARosenfeldHoops
·
2h
2021 Camden Catholic (NJ) guard Colin Merriman off the board to D-III Scranton (PA), giving the Royals one of the tougher lead guards in the region.

Merriman's competitive fire, skill level, and improved shotmaking could have impacted scholarship-level programs.


Well done! last season hilites on the following link:
https://www.hudl.com/profile/10696508/Colin-Merriman
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2020, 09:18:24 AM

Thanks Tim.

Now if he can convince his 6'7" teammate at CCHS to join him at Scranton so they can perfect the back cut pass for another slam, we might be on to something.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2020, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 19, 2020, 09:18:24 AM

Thanks Tim.

Now if he can convince his 6'7" teammate at CCHS to join him at Scranton so they can perfect the back cut pass for another slam, we might be on to something.

I think I saw in a separate tweet that he was committing to Temple.


















Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2020, 10:04:28 PM
 Landmark tweet today that Royals are 10th all time in D3 MBB victories.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 01, 2020, 10:04:28 PM
Landmark tweet today that Royals are 10th all time in D3 MBB victories.

And us Royal fans still grumble.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2020, 01:27:12 AM
 Landmark said today they hope to start bball no earlier then Feb 5, but in time to qualify for NCAA postseason play. Will reconvene in 1st week of January for an update and schedule release.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2020, 04:20:58 PM
Wall of Fame Weekend Cancelled.

The Royals should have a pack the Long Center night once this virus is behind us.

Stay safe!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 08, 2020, 07:07:19 PM
That first home game may not be until Nov. 2021.
Maybe they'll have that Marketing intern working on getting alumni involved after a 20 year hiatus by then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2020, 04:00:44 PM
Susquehanna has suspended the winter season ... they won't be the only one in the conference I suspect.

They said they (the president primarily) weren't going to wait for the conference to make a decision which isn't scheduled until early January.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2020, 02:20:12 PM
Rest In Peace Coach Bess. Prayers to your family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 02, 2021, 12:37:19 PM

Agreed.
Truly one of a kind & so fortunate that I was around for some of his more colorful teams & showmanship.
The man oozed personality, that's for sure.
RIP coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:11 PM
Misericordia beat Scranton to win the 1995 Laurel Line Tournament and hosted the 1996 tournament.  At the pre-tournament press conference, coach Bessoir pointed to the trophy, which featured a model railroad car and said "That was my train when I was a child....  I want it back."  Classic. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2021, 06:24:13 PM

Lefty:

Just wondering, did Bess ever get his train back??  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2021, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:11 PM
Misericordia beat Scranton to win the 1995 Laurel Line Tournament and hosted the 1996 tournament.  At the pre-tournament press conference, coach Bessoir pointed to the trophy, which featured a model railroad car and said "That was my train when I was a child....  I want it back."  Classic.

In my youth I've ridden on the Laurel Line railroad to get to Rocky Glen amusement park. My memory may be incorrect, however.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 05, 2021, 06:24:13 PM

Lefty:

Just wondering, did Bess ever get his train back??  ;)

He did get it back, but not that year.  He then held on to it for three years before vacating the title.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2021, 04:08:12 PM
When was the last Laurel Line tournament played?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 07, 2021, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2021, 04:08:12 PM
When was the last Laurel Line tournament played?
The 25th and final Laurel Line was played in 2016.

Link includes a photo with coach Bessoir's train: 

https://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2016/11/19/mens-basketball-mu-pulls-away-from-wpu-to-win-mccarthy-tire-laurel-line.aspx

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2021, 04:17:15 PM
YES!!!!


https://www.landmarkconference.org/general/2020-21/releases/13112021-return-to-play-spring


The Landmark Conference Presidents' Council has endorsed a plan to conduct collegiate competition during the 2021 spring semester. As consistent with all decisions at the conference level, the safety and well-being of student-athletes remains the primary goal of the Landmark Conference.

In light of the varied rates of COVID-19 spread and the differences in legal restrictions across the jurisdictions where the Conference plays, the Presidents have proposed that Conference activities occur only among member schools that are willing and able to compete.  They also agree that participating schools should refrain from playing if they pose or face a danger of spreading the virus.

This announcement is to aid student-athletes, families, coaches, and campuses in planning. The Presidents Council and conference leadership will continue to monitor state and local guidance regarding COVID-19. Decisions related to all athletics schedules will be subject to the realities of the pandemic as the coming winter and spring seasons approach.

The council approved February 5 as the tentative start of its conference basketball schedule with the intent of submitting the league champion as the automatic-qualifier to the NCAA Division III postseason tournament.

The league's swimming & diving championship will be conducted at campus sites over a three-weekend period with times/scores at different sites being compiled to crown top finishers in each event along with a league champion.

The league is working on an expanded non-traditional season with multiple dates of competition for fall sports whose 2020 seasons were cancelled. Any changes to the approved spring sport schedules or Championship dates will be communicated prior to the start of their preseason training.

The Landmark Presidents Council recognize the complexity of the decision to compete and agree that each member must make decisions that are appropriate for their institution based upon the public health situation in their specific jurisdiction while putting the health and safety of their students and communities first. The Conference supports the decision of each school to opt out of play altogether or as the season progresses.

The Landmark Conference continues to support the NCAA Guidelines for the Resocialization of Sport along with internal policies & procedures regarding a return to play.

Fans are encouraged to visit www.landmarkconference.org and the member's individual athletic websites for the latest schedules and championship information which will be posted in the coming weeks.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2021, 06:55:20 PM
Don't be surprised if some other schools back out. Susquehanna and Goucher are already out and talking to several the feeling is some others may back out as well. The language in this feels that way as well.

I think there are two or so that may back out - and may not have any choice in their circumstances.

I applaud any chance to try and give student-athletes the chance to play, but I completely understand the challenges college administrations face in their unique places ... and how each president is different.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
The University of Scranton Department of Athletics will announce later this week its plans for winter sports competition during the Spring 2021 semester. The announcement will be shared on athletics.scranton.edu and on Scranton's Athletics social media accounts on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram @RoyalAthletics.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
We are a go! Scranton announces they are in. Hopefully they aren't the only ones.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2021, 06:29:42 PM

Right now the schedule looks like a home & away with Moravian.
Danzig can do this...win both, go undefeated, & get the Landmark AQ for the playoffs.
No Susquehanna to worry about this season. 
Print the playoff tickets.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
 My annual Landmark forecast:

1. Scranton
2. 4-way tie everyone else         nothing to differentiate these teams
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:17:14 PM
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We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:44:43 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpbH3fPiIBrBpMAh3zW91_g


Conversations with Carl available here. The Loyal faithful are pushing for a behind the scenes documentary on the program to be aired on Netflix, Hulu, or Scranton Public Access.

No word if ratings will exceed Ray Lyman's videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxcu5RtOxyI
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2021, 04:32:24 PM

Let's see, a behind the scenes special with Coach Danzig narrating "19 Years of Milquetoast Basketball...In My Own Words" or Ray Lyman's, "A Chronicle of Grievances... Beyond Postcards From the Edge".

For pure entertainment & educational value, I think you have to give the nod to Ray.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
Scrantontimes article on season focused on Logan Bailey...he graduates in May but has 1 more year of athletic eligibility.....sounds 50/50 on returning...

would be nice to have him back next year is an understatement.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2021, 09:45:55 AM
 Actually, Logan has 2 more years of eligibility; playing this pandemic season does not affect one's eligibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2021, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2021, 09:45:55 AM
Actually, Logan has 2 more years of eligibilty; playing this pandemic season does not affect one's eligibility.


Excellent!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2021, 10:39:17 AM
 Wonder if the shot clock/game clock/red light situation that resulted in the Lady Royals getting a pregame technical during the NCAA tourney game last March has been fixed? Guess we'll find out tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 09, 2021, 12:27:31 PM
It would be outstanding if Logan was around for those two more years of eligibility.  Maybe the U can create a Biology Master's degree program for him.  ;D

Regardless, I'm excited for the start of Royals basketball tonight, even if it's only for 9-10 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2021, 06:47:25 PM

The Royal braintrust would do themselves a huge favor if they added Logan's dad Todd to the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2021, 08:47:05 PM

The Royals absolutely crushed in every aspect of the game tonight vs. Drew.
They looked like an 8th. grade team scrimmaging the varsity.
The last 2 recruiting classes for Drew have been outstanding & put the Royals to shame tonight.
If this is the product the Royals plan on rolling out in the future, let's hope the cardboard cutout fans back in the Long Center don't start wearing bags over their heads.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
 After getting beat repeatedly in their man defense, I don't understand not trying something else like a zone, especially with the repeat match only 2 days hence.
  Zach Rovinsky no longer on the roster, Ben Bosland hasn't played since injury late last year; Nolan Genasevich hasn't played in a while.  No word on their unavailability.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2021, 11:28:40 PM

How much practice have they had? If they haven't worked on a zone, it's never going to be an improvement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:55:55 PM
 Ryan,
A reasonable point, but I don't think a zone even with little practice would have been less effective than their man defense was tonight; they also allowed 15 offensive rebounds.
  Drew's Newman looks like a ROY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2021, 07:51:52 AM

Ronk:
Regarding Newman...you are right.
He may end up ROY & POY.
That's the separating difference between the last 2-3 recruiting classes between the two schools.
Drew has brought in tall athletic kids that present matchup issues for the continual guard oriented teams like Scranton.
The Rangers are bringing in kids that excel & become ROY meanwhile, the Royals bring in kids that don't even get to play play in a 30 point blowout.
The future looks exceptionally bright for Drew basketball, the Royals...not so much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2021, 08:41:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
After getting beat repeatedly in their man defense, I don't understand not trying something else like a zone, especially with the repeat match only 2 days hence.
  Zach Rovinsky no longer on the roster, Ben Bosland hasn't played since injury late last year; Nolan Genasevich hasn't played in a while.  No word on their unavailability.

Rovinsky? What's going on?

Genasevich? What's going on?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2021, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:55:55 PM
Ryan,
A reasonable point, but I don't think a zone even with little practice would have been less effective than their man defense was tonight; they also allowed 15 offensive rebounds.
  Drew's Newman looks like a ROY.

Practice?  Are you talkin' about practice?

These posters didn't have any practice and they seem to be in mid-season form.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:55:55 PM
Ryan,
A reasonable point, but I don't think a zone even with little practice would have been less effective than their man defense was tonight; they also allowed 15 offensive rebounds.
  Drew's Newman looks like a ROY.

Maybe, although zone tends to make it more difficult to box out.  Zone always came pretty easily to me; one of the few basketball skills I actually possessed, but I was always amazed at how much difficulty many of my teammates had in getting it right.  I'm convinced it takes a certain way of looking at the court that just doesn't come naturally to everyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2021, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2021, 11:55:55 PM
Ryan,
A reasonable point, but I don't think a zone even with little practice would have been less effective than their man defense was tonight; they also allowed 15 offensive rebounds.
  Drew's Newman looks like a ROY.

Practice?  Are you talkin' about practice?

These posters didn't have any practice and they seem to be in mid-season form.

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 08:19:20 PM

Credit where credit is due...
Nice turnaround by the Royals today vs. Drew.
Actually played D, boxed out underneath & stopped firing up crazy 3 pointers every chance they could.
Ball movement was great the first 33 minutes.
Baby steps.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2021, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 08:19:20 PM

Credit where credit is due...
Nice turnaround by the Royals today vs. Drew.
Actually played D, boxed out underneath & stopped firing up crazy 3 pointers every chance they could.
Ball movement was great the first 33 minutes.
Baby steps.

Yes, sir. Good see an intense game between these two teams.  Still no insight into Rovinsky who was on the game notes for this weekend.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2021, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 08:19:20 PM

Credit where credit is due...
Nice turnaround by the Royals today vs. Drew.
Actually played D, boxed out underneath & stopped firing up crazy 3 pointers every chance they could.
Ball movement was great the first 33 minutes.
Baby steps.

Who are you and what have you done with Saratoga?   :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2021, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2021, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 08:19:20 PM

Credit where credit is due...
Nice turnaround by the Royals today vs. Drew.
Actually played D, boxed out underneath & stopped firing up crazy 3 pointers every chance they could.
Ball movement was great the first 33 minutes.
Baby steps.

Yes, sir. Good see an intense game between these two teams.  Still no insight into Rovinsky who was on the game notes for this weekend.

Looked like Ben Bosland on the sideline out of uniform.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Can we all agree Masks on the court are useless? Masks need to be worn properly and obviously through the course of 40 minutes, that doesn't happen. I am all for masks on the sidelines, but on the court makes little to no sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2021, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Can we all agree Masks on the court are useless? Masks need to be worn properly and obviously through the course of 40 minutes, that doesn't happen. I am all for masks on the sidelines, but on the court makes little to no sense.

My observation has been that it depends on how much the player wants to wear their mask properly. Most do not, but if you stumble upon the rare player wearing a mask on the court when it's not required, they have no real problem keeping it in place. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Can we all agree Masks on the court are useless? Masks need to be worn properly and obviously through the course of 40 minutes, that doesn't happen. I am all for masks on the sidelines, but on the court makes little to no sense.

Actually on the court makes more sense than the sideline if you think about it. Most sidelines have seats spread out so no one is close to one another.

Whereas on the court, players are on top of one another and breathing on one another - one of the biggest reasons basketball is considered one of the higher risk sports.

I understand why the need is there for some institutions or conferences to mandate masks (it can even be state or local mandates as we have seen in some places), but there has to be a ramification as well. Warnings to players that if they don't adjust them properly and make an effort to wear them right, then either the game will not continue or maybe even warnings to individuals and then start removing them from the game (maybe in the first half, they are out until the second half; second half they are out for the game). The message is received pretty quick when you start hurting your team or not playing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2021, 05:51:43 PM
I agree Dave, if you are going to wear them wear them the right way and enforce it. Or just drop the requirement. Obviously several games have been cancelled due to contact tracing, and the league is taking it serious.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on February 20, 2021, 05:49:21 PM
Hello all - Scranton alum checking in as I just discovered how good the Landmark Conference online streams were and can finally watch Royals game again. 2007 grad and big fan of the program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2021, 06:07:25 PM
 Yes, we're thankful for the coverage, even more so now, when we can't attend in-person. BTW, you might know nepafan; he's a grad in the class ahead of you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2021, 07:17:39 PM
Welcome to the Scranton board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on February 21, 2021, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2021, 07:17:39 PM
Welcome to the Scranton board.

Thank you! Go Royals! Here's to the best season possible and hopefully a deep run next season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
 Surprising comeback victory on the road for the Royals after the loss 2 days earlier to the same Catholic team.

Big game left: Drew @ Catholic(Wed) after Catholic hosts Juniata the previous night

Decent probability that Scranton, Drew, and Catholic finish 6-2. Coin toss? for conference  tourney seeding?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2021, 08:16:03 PM
Surprised indeed. Catholic had a heck of a recruiting class. Watched on the TV for the first time rather than the computer, really adds to the experience. We've come a long way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
Surprising comeback victory on the road for the Royals after the loss 2 days earlier to the same Catholic team.

Big game left: Drew @ Catholic(Wed) after Catholic hosts Juniata the previous night

Decent probability that Scranton, Drew, and Catholic finish 6-2. Coin toss? for conference  tourney seeding?

Schedule revision: Juniata-Catholic to tomorrow from tonight & Drew-Catholic to Monday from tomorrow, probably because neither team would be in the play-in tourney game(#5 seed vs #4) Monday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2021, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
Surprising comeback victory on the road for the Royals after the loss 2 days earlier to the same Catholic team.

Big game left: Drew @ Catholic(Wed) after Catholic hosts Juniata the previous night

Decent probability that Scranton, Drew, and Catholic finish 6-2. Coin toss? for conference  tourney seeding?

Schedule revision: Juniata-Catholic to tomorrow from tonight & Drew-Catholic to Monday from tomorrow, probably because neither team would be in the play-in tourney game(#5 seed vs #4) Monday.

Lancaster Bible - 67
Moravian - 57
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 08:02:56 AM

JM:
Ouch!!!
Not exactly a points winner for conference strength.
COVID has also put a damper on the Scranton vs. Sarah Lawrence & Bard games which are always riveting to the end.

NEPA:
You are right...Catholic has some unbelievable talent in their freshmen class.
Three starters & three more with serious playing time.
Their new coach has hit the ground running.
Although our freshman class is not deep or overly game ready at this point, at least we have big Zach to pound down below and score inside & out.
Oh, wait.
Never mind.  ;)


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2021, 10:19:16 AM

Lancaster Bible is not a terrible team this year.  They're obviously not world beaters, but they go 12 deep with a lot of seniors.  I was just telling someone the other day I'd expect them to be on par with whoever wins the Landmark this season.  That was certainly a winable game for Moravian, but I don't think it's an embarrassing loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 10:33:45 AM

Ryan:
Perhaps not an embarrassing loss but, not a good look either.
I remember the days when Wilkes would go on their Bible belt tour to start their season.
They'd open up with Lancaster Bible, Baptist Bible, Valley Forge Bible & win by 40 each game.
I'm sure there is more competitiveness now than a decade ago but still the optics are not good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 10:33:45 AM

Ryan:
Perhaps not an embarrassing loss but, not a good look either.
I remember the days when Wilkes would go on their Bible belt tour to start their season.
They'd open up with Lancaster Bible, Baptist Bible, Valley Forge Bible & win by 40 each game.
I'm sure there is more competitiveness now than a decade ago but still the optics are not good.

I think one thing many of us have been trying to explain for awhile now is that a lot has changed. The region and DIII landscape is not nearly the same as it has been back in the "glory days" or what many of you remember.

The fact LBC is good isn't a surprise. They showed a few years ago they were getting better and better talent.

There is also the fact that more and more talent is being diversified across a lot of schools instead of just going to one or a handful of schools as it did maybe 20 years ago.

Sure, not all schools have improved like LBC, but a number have. And we are seeing it in a lot of sports as well. Lacrosse especially has diversified that even though the Salisburys of the world are still in the national conversations, it doesn't mean they get the wealth of talent anymore.

LBC is likely going to switch to a new conference and continue to get better as their mindset as an institution has changed over the last few years. It might have been embarrassing to lose to them 20 years ago and it might still sting to suffer a loss, but they aren't a walk-over they used to be at all.

And in a coronavirus season, especially, the number of things student-athletes are distracted or focused on other than basketball are numerous. I'm just enjoying that games are being played versus the nuances of what I normally would be focused on in a normal season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 10:33:45 AM

Ryan:
Perhaps not an embarrassing loss but, not a good look either.
I remember the days when Wilkes would go on their Bible belt tour to start their season.
They'd open up with Lancaster Bible, Baptist Bible, Valley Forge Bible & win by 40 each game.
I'm sure there is more competitiveness now than a decade ago but still the optics are not good.

No personal offense to any of you, but Landmark fans seem to be about a decade behind in coming to grips with the current state of basketball in the conference.  There's a history and prestige that just, frankly, isn't reflected in reality.  It's a difficult spot to be in, for sure, but perhaps the expectations for the Landmark need to be toned down a bit?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2021, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 10:33:45 AM

Ryan:
Perhaps not an embarrassing loss but, not a good look either.
I remember the days when Wilkes would go on their Bible belt tour to start their season.
They'd open up with Lancaster Bible, Baptist Bible, Valley Forge Bible & win by 40 each game.
I'm sure there is more competitiveness now than a decade ago but still the optics are not good.

No personal offense to any of you, but Landmark Scranton fans seem to be about a decade behind in coming to grips with the current state of basketball in the conference.  There's a history and prestige that just, frankly, isn't reflected in reality.  It's a difficult spot to be in, for sure, but perhaps the expectations for the Landmark Scranton need to be toned down a bit?


Fixed. There is no Landmark, only Scranton.

That being said, Scranton, Drew and Catholic would thump Lancaster Bible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2021, 03:54:25 PM
 Landmark fans have come to grips with the current state; it's our aspirations that haven't been toned down. Jay Howard(Catholic)was the last quality recruit in the whole conference and that was 7 years ago. So, it's been downward since at least then.
  Matt Mancuso and Brendan Boken(Scranton) did develop into quality players during this time  but they weren't quality recruits in high school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2021, 05:38:27 PM

Ryan:
There are only Scranton fans on this site as NEPA has pointed out.
Therefore, I'm not sure how you jumped to the erroneous conclusion that we (collectively) think the Landmark is a power conference.
For the record, none of us think that.
The conference rarely, if ever, has two teams in the post season.
It is, for all intents, an extremely weak conference year in & year out.
As Ronk noted, it has nothing at all to do with thinking the Landmark is something special.
It has everything to do with wanting to see our school regain the prestige & prominence it once had.
That said, regardless of institutional shift at LBC that now puts an emphasis on athletics, a loss to them by any team in the Landmark is still not a good look for an established conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2021, 10:13:46 PM
 Warning to the Royals as their opponent in this weekend's games, Juniata, manages a win @ Catholic. Score was 2-0 after 1st 7 mins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2021, 04:02:58 PM
Now Ryan Starr is off the roster. Earth to Carl, what is going on on Linden Street?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 26, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
Moravian has shut down their season:  https://moraviansports.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20210225i010x0

So there will be no 4-5 game after all.  Drew will be the #1 seed with a win over Catholic or a Scranton loss in either Juniata game. 

If Scranton splits with a win tonight and Catholic beats Drew, they are both 5-3 with identical records against opponents, identical road winning percentage and no OOC games, so it would come down to a coin flip for the #2 seed...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2021, 06:19:13 PM
Drew cancels the remainder of its season but has not ruled out the conference championship:

https://www.drewrangers.com/news/2021/2/27/mens-and-womens-basketball-games-canceled.aspx

If they are cleared to play, they'd be the #1 seed & Royals the 2.  If not, would the Landmark have a 2/3 game with Catholic/Juniata and the winner to play Scranton, who would move into the 1 seed by default?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2021, 06:27:56 PM
Thanks for the update. What a year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2021, 06:19:13 PM
Drew cancels the remainder of its season but has not ruled out the conference championship:

https://www.drewrangers.com/news/2021/2/27/mens-and-womens-basketball-games-canceled.aspx

If they are cleared to play, they'd be the #1 seed & Royals the 2.  If not, would the Landmark have a 2/3 game with Catholic/Juniata and the winner to play Scranton, who would move into the 1 seed by default?

Wonder how long they'll give Drew to commit? There's a play-in game on Tuesday on the women's side that wouldn't be needed if Drew drops out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2021, 10:06:19 AM
https://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/mbkb/2020-21/championships

Here we go...

Round           Date           Time           Matchups                                                   
Semifinal Game 1
        Wednesday, March 3           TBA           No. 3 Catholic at No. 2 Scranton           Live Stats           Video           Box Score               Recap
Semifinal Game 2
        Wednesday, March 3           5:00 p.m.           No. 4 Juniata at No. 1 Drew           Live Stats           Video           Box Score               Recap
                                                                                       
Championship
        Saturday, March 6           TBA           Winner of Game 1 vs. Winner of Game 2           Live Stats           Video           Box Score               Recap
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 02, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
Let's go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
Instant Classic at the Long Center last night:

https://www.wnep.com/article/sports/scranton-royals-rallied-from-double-digits-to-defeat-catholic-in-the-mens-landmark-conference-basketball-semi-finals/523-6cf6eb11-10bb-4a11-88b8-e225a9f96fd7


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
 Waves of runs on both sides led to lead changes throughout the game. Better offensive discipline would lessen the need for such runs. End of regulation strategy questionable: 18 secs remaining, Royals up 2, Braunstein w 4 fouls, Monaghan shooting a foul shot - why is Braunstein in the game in danger of committing a 5th foul; if Brian makes the FT to put them up 3, Scranton should foul after some secs to prevent a tying 3 by Catholic. Instead, Braunstein commits his 5th and is out of the game.
  Catholic ties it up after its 2 FTs with 5 secs remaining. Scranton uses its last T/O at endline instead of getting the ball inbounds to midcourt, using its T/O then and running a inbounds play in the frontcourt with a better chance of a game-winning shot.
  Wondering if either Scranton team will be allowed/want to play in possible postseason tourneys?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 04, 2021, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
Instant Classic at the Long Center last night:

https://www.wnep.com/article/sports/scranton-royals-rallied-from-double-digits-to-defeat-catholic-in-the-mens-landmark-conference-basketball-semi-finals/523-6cf6eb11-10bb-4a11-88b8-e225a9f96fd7

That was a great one. Really hope they can secure a conference title.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Waves of runs on both sides led to lead changes throughout the game. Better offensive discipline would lessen the need for such runs. End of regulation strategy questionable: 18 secs remaining, Royals up 2, Braunstein w 4 fouls, Monaghan shooting a foul shot - why is Braunstein in the game in danger of committing a 5th foul; if Brian makes the FT to put them up 3, Scranton should foul after some secs to prevent a tying 3 by Catholic. Instead, Braunstein commits his 5th and is out of the game.
  Catholic ties it up after its 2 FTs with 5 secs remaining. Scranton uses its last T/O at endline instead of getting the ball inbounds to midcourt, using its T/O then and running a inbounds play in the frontcourt with a better chance of a game-winning shot.
  Wondering if either Scranton team will be allowed/want to play in possible postseason tourneys?

Also was a SNAFU at the end of regulation with the time clock starting as the ball was rolling on the Royals in bound, I think they could have had a better shot at that point.

Catholic is loaded and young, should be back next year and the year after that.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2021, 01:59:31 PM

The Royal's won that game in spite of Danzig's decisions or lack thereof.
Also wonder what happened to Peter Hartrick who did a great job for all of the 9 minutes he played.
Once taken out, Danzig forgot about him.
Just like Trevor breathed new life into the woman's program, I think we are at that point for the men as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2021, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 04, 2021, 01:59:31 PM

The Royal's won that game in spite of Danzig's decisions or lack thereof.
Also wonder what happened to Peter Hartrick who did a great job for all of the 9 minutes he played.
Once taken out, Danzig forgot about him.
Just like Trevor breathed new life into the woman's program, I think we are at that point for the men as well.

I think he was ready to check in during double OT , but Ems got a breather with some time outs and ended up staying in. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2021, 07:18:48 PM
 The Royals made a big comeback in the 2nd half to take the lead in the final seconds of regulation, only to have Drew tie it up and then win in OT. Shooting 4 of 22 on 3-pt attempts was their undoing but their shots were relatively open, just didn't fall; they kept out of foul trouble and turnovers were below normal.
  Still, the Royals were in good position in the final secs of regulation, up 3 and shooting a FT but they continued(ala Wednesday's semifinal game) to defy the basketball laws of probability by not intentionally fouling before Drew could take a possible game-tying 3-pt attempt.
  Best wishes to any of the graduating seniors who won't be returning next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
I'm Afraid Logan Bailey won't be returning. If so Scranton is down to 10 players on the roster. Drew and Catholic are young and loaded. Susquehanna should be good. Next year will be interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2021, 08:04:02 PM
After 20 years of coaching, if he doesn't see the risk/reward in trading 2 points for 3, on the road & with under 10 seconds to play, he never will.
Scranton is no longer a feared team even in the Landmark let alone regionally or, God forbid, nationally.
This is what the future of Royal basketball looks like...occasionally make it to the title game of the Landmark.
Then, it's over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
 Congrats to the AD, coaches, and players of both basketball teams for getting thru the season w/o covid downtime. Haven't seen any word whether they'll try to extend the season with games with others looking to play with similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 07, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Also congrats to Drew's tournament MVP Lybrant Robinson. He hit the tying three at the end of regulation and then scored 10 of his 31 points in OT.

He was an exciting player at Del Val. High energy, unafraid to shoot or defend anyone.

Glad he's found success.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2021, 07:39:15 PM

Absolutely.
He played a fantastic game.
Just wish the Royal brain-trust fouled him at about the 2 second mark on his dribble to negate the last second heroics.
The future of this program is in a very precarious position.
Two straight poor recruiting classes & arguably their most talented & exciting player moving on.
Danzig was handed a full cupboard from Bess when he arrived, now those very same shelves are pretty barren.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 07, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Also congrats to Drew's tournament MVP Lybrant Robinson. He hit the tying three at the end of regulation and then scored 10 of his 31 points in OT.

He was an exciting player at Del Val. High energy, unafraid to shoot or defend anyone.

Glad he's found success.

Gordon...................Imagine the DelVal team with Robinson, Washington, Ghee, Tucker, Hill, Paulus, Caine Jr., Black, Diaz and Ibidapo!!

Length, athleticism, defenders, shot blockers and shooters.

Oh, what coiuld have been!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
Posted without comment.

Men's Basketball Awards Announced
Posted: Mar 09, 2021 
TOWSON, Md. – University of Scranton's Logan Bailey highlights the 2021Landmark Men's Basketball All-Conference team after being named the conference Player of the Year.

Malachi Walker, Jr. of Drew University was voted the Defensive Player of the Year for a second straight season while Catholic University Jesse Hafemeister was tabbed Rookie of the Year. Scranton head coach Carl Danzig and his staff earned Coaching Staff of the Year.

Bailey joins Zach Ashworth (2010, 2011), Ross Danzig (2014), and Brendan Boken (2016) to be named Player of the Year. Even in a shortened season due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, Bailey managed to rank in the top-five in points per game (16.8), total points (134), steals (13), blocks (9), and assists (15). He scored in double figures in nine of the 10 games played this season and registered at least one assist in every game. Bailey became the 46th player in Scranton program history to score 1,000 career points, as he passed the milestone with a made free throw late in regulation in the Landmark Men's Basketball Championship game.

Walker defended his Defensive Player of the Year title after finishing the 2021 shortened season with 14 blocks (2.0 bpg). The senior registered a season-high four steals in the Rangers semifinal matchup against Juniata, and was instrumental in the championship game, pulling down 14 rebounds – 12 of which were defensive. For his career, Walker has played in 82 games with 64 starts, amassed 434 rebounds, 167 blocks, 63 steals, and 417 points. His 167 blocks rank fourth in the conference.

Hafemeister is the fourth Cardinal to earn Rookie of the Year honors, joining Jason Banzhaf (2008), Corey Stanford (2014), and Jay Howard (2015). The two-time conference Men's Basketball Rookie of the Week was one of the top rebounders and leading scorers for the Cardinals, averaging 6.9 rebounds and 15.9 points per game. He scored in double-digits in all but one game this season, including an impressive 30-point performance against Moravian on February 12.

Danzig picks up his second Coach of the Year honor after leading the Royals to their second straight championship appearance. Scranton ranked first in points per game (75.3), assists per game (15.7), and was second in blocks per game (3.7). Additionally, the Royals led the conference in field-goal percentage, shooting 45.5 percent (269-of-591).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2021, 11:54:51 AM
 Strange that the defensive POY(Malachi Walker-Drew) doesn't make either of the all-star teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2021, 01:39:31 PM
Many Scranton fans hoping Carl goes out on top , so to speak.

Not sure why it didn't go to Drew coach or  the Catholic coach. Still no answer on details of the two kids he brought in leaving the team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2021, 06:48:09 PM

Not that I want to contribute to the storming of Landmark HQ but it seems this poll for COY is a little off.
What happened to those votes between 2:00am. & 4:00 am.? Hmmmmmm.
Seriously???
Danzig leads the Royals to a 30 point loss at Drew then 2 weeks later loses the 'championship' to them in a winnable game & he gets rewarded for that?
Good for him I guess but certainly a ripoff for Coach K.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on March 24, 2021, 08:26:24 PM
Heard another one left the Team at Scranton!!!What the hell is going on????As a life long fan of the Program this Program needs to look else where and move in a total new direction.Still remember that day when the UofS hired a new AD by the name of Toby L he couldn't wait to get bess out the door  and hire this Coach from Bucknell Carl well 20 years later the program has been going down hill,hopefully Dave Martin looks at that trophy case and says for 20 years we haven't seen nothing out of this product Toby Hired!As a long time Royal fan that sits in the stands (not this year )but the past it is getting tired some to see one of the greatest programs in D 3 going down hill the last 20 years not all are bad but the job is not getting done and change needs to come.Depressed Royals fan
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 25, 2021, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on March 24, 2021, 08:26:24 PM
Heard another one left the Team at Scranton!!!What the hell is going on????As a life long fan of the Program this Program needs to look else where and move in a total new direction.Still remember that day when the UofS hired a new AD by the name of Toby L he couldn't wait to get bess out the door  and hire this Coach from Bucknell Carl well 20 years later the program has been going down hill,hopefully Dave Martin looks at that trophy case and says for 20 years we haven't seen nothing out of this product Toby Hired!As a long time Royal fan that sits in the stands (not this year )but the past it is getting tired some to see one of the greatest programs in D 3 going down hill the last 20 years not all are bad but the job is not getting done and change needs to come.Depressed Royals fan

What about elevating the program to D2 or D1 in the next 10 years?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2021, 02:58:30 PM
I am liking the new guy(s) energy!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 04:02:54 PM

D-2 is not the answer.
Those schools are generally academic cess-pools with minimal credibility.
Unfortunately, per NCAA regulations, if you want to go D-1, you are mandated to spend 5 years in D-2 purgatory and have 3 million set aside for when they bestow that honor upon you.
Then, you better be ready to continually to feed the money machine that is the D-1 arm of the NCAA to a level that increases each year.
Plus, these days you can't move to D-1 only in basketball, you need to bring the entire department with you (obviously men's & women's teams).
While all this is going on, you better find a conference willing to take you otherwise you'll be on the road every game.
Before we get out in front of our skis, let's do a Royal re-set & start doing a much better job while in D-3 like so many schools do each & every year.
With the continuous decline of this program, beginning the process to assess where we were, where we are & where we want to be is long overdue.
It certainly appears the time has come to look for someone that can elevate the Royals from Regional & National has been to a program with a fresh & energetic approach. This search is, or should be, compulsory for the new President, his staff & the athletic department.
The same old/same old approach is boring and tired and the continual underachievement of the program warrants serious review.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2021, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 04:02:54 PM

D-2 is not the answer.
Those schools are generally academic cess-pools with minimal credibility.
Unfortunately, per NCAA regulations, if you want to go D-1, you are mandated to spend 5 years in D-2 purgatory and have 3 million set aside for when they bestow that honor upon you.
Then, you better be ready to continually to feed the money machine that is the D-1 arm of the NCAA to a level that increases each year.
Plus, these days you can't move to D-1 only in basketball, you need to bring the entire department with you (obviously men's & women's teams).
While all this is going on, you better find a conference willing to take you otherwise you'll be on the road every game.
Before we get out in front of our skis, let's do a Royal re-set & start doing a much better job while in D-3 like so many schools do each & every year.
With the continuous decline of this program, beginning the process to assess where we were, where we are & where we want to be is long overdue.
It certainly appears the time has come to look for someone that can elevate the Royals from Regional & National has been to a program with a fresh & energetic approach. This search is, or should be, compulsory for the new President, his staff & the athletic department.
The same old/same old approach is boring and tired and the continual underachievement of the program warrants serious review.

There is now a path to go directly from D-III to D-I. St. Thomas is using that to join the Summit League next fall.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 25, 2021, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2021, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 04:02:54 PM

D-2 is not the answer.
Those schools are generally academic cess-pools with minimal credibility.
Unfortunately, per NCAA regulations, if you want to go D-1, you are mandated to spend 5 years in D-2 purgatory and have 3 million set aside for when they bestow that honor upon you.
Then, you better be ready to continually to feed the money machine that is the D-1 arm of the NCAA to a level that increases each year.
Plus, these days you can't move to D-1 only in basketball, you need to bring the entire department with you (obviously men's & women's teams).
While all this is going on, you better find a conference willing to take you otherwise you'll be on the road every game.
Before we get out in front of our skis, let's do a Royal re-set & start doing a much better job while in D-3 like so many schools do each & every year.
With the continuous decline of this program, beginning the process to assess where we were, where we are & where we want to be is long overdue.
It certainly appears the time has come to look for someone that can elevate the Royals from Regional & National has been to a program with a fresh & energetic approach. This search is, or should be, compulsory for the new President, his staff & the athletic department.
The same old/same old approach is boring and tired and the continual underachievement of the program warrants serious review.

There is now a path to go directly from D-III to D-I. St. Thomas is using that to join the Summit League next fall.

pat,
That's why u get the big bucks!   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 07:20:10 PM

Pat:
Thanks for the clarification on the new path to D-1.
Just recalling what the process was for my "other" school.
The new way of just pay the money & skip D-2 would have been so much better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 07:20:10 PM

Pat:
Thanks for the clarification on the new path to D-1.
Just recalling what the process was for my "other" school.
The new way of just pay the money & skip D-2 would have been so much better.

Your point remains the same. Let's focus on excelling at D3...South Side Complex is a good foundation ( baseball team could use some work). The Athletic Dinner and Golf Tourney and recruiting budget have increased, just need to keep pushing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 25, 2021, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 07:20:10 PM

Pat:
Thanks for the clarification on the new path to D-1.
Just recalling what the process was for my "other" school.
The new way of just pay the money & skip D-2 would have been so much better.

Your point remains the same. Let's focus on excelling at D3...South Side Complex is a good foundation ( baseball team could use some work). The Athletic Dinner and Golf Tourney and recruiting budget have increased, just need to keep pushing.

Not wrong at all. I'd like to see a more significant investment in building the Scranton Royals athletics brand and cultivating a stronger passion for sports and community on campus. Basketball is the key to that. Also, check out the social media accounts for schools like Ithaca, Tufts, East Texas Baptist, Johns Hopkins, etc. - making improvements there can help attract better recruits and student passion.

In the big picture, if the NCAA makes the path to D1 easier, I see it making sense for a city like Scranton - the MAAC conference makes sense given school size.

Those new athletic facilities in the southside are also D2 o D1 caliber.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 26, 2021, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 25, 2021, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 07:20:10 PM

Pat:
Thanks for the clarification on the new path to D-1.
Just recalling what the process was for my "other" school.
The new way of just pay the money & skip D-2 would have been so much better.

Your point remains the same. Let's focus on excelling at D3...South Side Complex is a good foundation ( baseball team could use some work). The Athletic Dinner and Golf Tourney and recruiting budget have increased, just need to keep pushing.

Not wrong at all. I'd like to see a more significant investment in building the Scranton Royals athletics brand and cultivating a stronger passion for sports and community on campus. Basketball is the key to that. Also, check out the social media accounts for schools like Ithaca, Tufts, East Texas Baptist, Johns Hopkins, etc. - making improvements there can help attract better recruits and student passion.

In the big picture, if the NCAA makes the path to D1 easier, I see it making sense for a city like Scranton - the MAAC conference makes sense given school size.

Those new athletic facilities in the southside are also D2 o D1 caliber.

They haven't necessarily made it easier, by the way - it still is going to take UST close to a decade to be fully eligible (they didn't want to advantage them over schools that had to go through D2 first) - they've just created a path whereby one can jump over D2 on the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 26, 2021, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 26, 2021, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 25, 2021, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 07:20:10 PM

Pat:
Thanks for the clarification on the new path to D-1.
Just recalling what the process was for my "other" school.
The new way of just pay the money & skip D-2 would have been so much better.

Your point remains the same. Let's focus on excelling at D3...South Side Complex is a good foundation ( baseball team could use some work). The Athletic Dinner and Golf Tourney and recruiting budget have increased, just need to keep pushing.

Not wrong at all. I'd like to see a more significant investment in building the Scranton Royals athletics brand and cultivating a stronger passion for sports and community on campus. Basketball is the key to that. Also, check out the social media accounts for schools like Ithaca, Tufts, East Texas Baptist, Johns Hopkins, etc. - making improvements there can help attract better recruits and student passion.

In the big picture, if the NCAA makes the path to D1 easier, I see it making sense for a city like Scranton - the MAAC conference makes sense given school size.

Those new athletic facilities in the southside are also D2 o D1 caliber.

They haven't necessarily made it easier, by the way - it still is going to take UST close to a decade to be fully eligible (they didn't want to advantage them over schools that had to go through D2 first) - they've just created a path whereby one can jump over D2 on the way.

I view the landscape as extremely fluid, especially with NIL, G-League, the pandemic and other factors influencing the NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 30, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Scranton loses another kid. Nothing announced from Linden Street.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 30, 2021, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 25, 2021, 04:02:54 PM

D-2 is not the answer.
Those schools are generally academic cess-pools with minimal credibility.
Unfortunately, per NCAA regulations, if you want to go D-1, you are mandated to spend 5 years in D-2 purgatory and have 3 million set aside for when they bestow that honor upon you.
Then, you better be ready to continually to feed the money machine that is the D-1 arm of the NCAA to a level that increases each year.
Plus, these days you can't move to D-1 only in basketball, you need to bring the entire department with you (obviously men's & women's teams).
While all this is going on, you better find a conference willing to take you otherwise you'll be on the road every game.
Before we get out in front of our skis, let's do a Royal re-set & start doing a much better job while in D-3 like so many schools do each & every year.
With the continuous decline of this program, beginning the process to assess where we were, where we are & where we want to be is long overdue.
It certainly appears the time has come to look for someone that can elevate the Royals from Regional & National has been to a program with a fresh & energetic approach. This search is, or should be, compulsory for the new President, his staff & the athletic department.
The same old/same old approach is boring and tired and the continual underachievement of the program warrants serious review.

I'd better tell my successful girlfriend (senior sales executive at AstraZeneca) that she went to a cesspool (Bloomsburg) for her undergraduate degree. She doesn't smell like a cesspool so she must have washed the stank off over the years. ;)

Also, my average AUM per client is over 2.2 million and I don't take on any new client (unless referred) with less than 1 million dollars in investable assets. In my Top 50 List, I've got 17 clients from D-2 schools, including 11 from the PSAC.

I'm pleased that they've chosen to do business with me (a non-snobby, Swarthmore undergrad) and that they weren't sitting in school next to people named Tad, Buffy, Thurston, Lovie and Williston........wearing those God awful lobster shorts and the golf shirts with the collars up (was never a good look) in Nantucket. :)

The list of folks who have succeeded in life without an "elite school pedigree" is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong. And if nobody is fishing in these waters for assets to manage, thinking that they are all working at McDonald's.............I'll take them all. day. long. Cha Ching ;)

What does it matter, we all went to community colleges in the eyes of the Ivy, NESCAC and UAA folks!! :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 30, 2021, 06:30:54 PM
I'll be honest with you, there are a ton of D2 schools that have better reputations than D3 schools both academically and athletically.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on March 30, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
Danzing has lost it with this team another one leaves!!!Maybe bring back Ethan and Ross to fill a roster spot.Very Pathetic!So my question does the AD get to talk to the kids before they leave and ask why or is it an open door like Carl has?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 31, 2021, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on March 30, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
Danzing has lost it with this team another one leaves!!!Maybe bring back Ethan and Ross to fill a roster spot.Very Pathetic!So my question does the AD get to talk to the kids before they leave and ask why or is it an open door like Carl has?

The school has done a fine job academically over the years, but if they really want to grow enrollment and their regional footprint, its time for a strategic athletic plan too. Even if they opt to stay D3, look at how Ithaca has invested in athletics - they are doing an outstanding job building a culture of success. They are doing a great job engaging current and former students with dynamic social media coverage too.

I want to see Scranton refresh the athletics brand, invest more in the programs and market them better. Create a culture and identity we can all be proud of.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 07, 2021, 03:53:16 PM
 With our brothers @ Gonzaga missing out for the 2nd time on winning an NCAA men's basketball championship, the total for Jesuit University/Colleges remains at 8. Of those 8, no one has won more than Scranton(2), not even the Bill Russell/KC Jones San Francisco(2), or Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola, or Holy Cross(1 each).
  With regard to Gonzaga, the one Scranton game that I saw in person before attending the U was a victory over Gonzaga. Gonzaga at the time was on a Christmas holiday cross-country tour and Scranton was one of the stops on that tour. They had their all-time leading scorer who would lead the nation 2 years later(Frank Burgess) and  a 7-3 center from France. Scranton had a small-college All-American(Ed Kazakavich) who was good enough to be drafted by the Celtics(round 4, 32nd overall pick in the Wilt Chamberlain draft) when there were only 8 NBA teams. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 15, 2021, 06:54:58 PM
Royals indicate another commitment today:

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1382798622916493322

Now time to do some sleuthing to figure out who it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 15, 2021, 07:21:43 PM
 Round up the usual suspects?   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 16, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 15, 2021, 07:21:43 PM
Round up the usual suspects?   ;D

Zoom link has gone out for this evening to discuss a plan of attack.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 16, 2021, 10:21:39 AM

Maybe Zach is back!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:34 PM
Yes not Zach Rovinsky,He is and will be playing for Susquehanna Riverhawks(Crusaders),Will be interesting seeing that match up!Probably kill us the next 4 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
Mason Thompson, 6'1" SG out of Rockhurst Prep (MO) is the latest Scranton commit:

https://twitter.com/Mase_Thompson11/status/1383243267039367169/

Not the post that we need, but he seems to be a solid shooter and playmaker who had some DII offers. 

Season Averages
PTS    REB   AST   STL   
12.18 5.05 2.95   1.5
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 17, 2021, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
Mason Thompson, 6'1" SG out of Rockhurst Prep (MO) is the latest Scranton commit:

https://twitter.com/Mase_Thompson11/status/1383243267039367169/

Not the post that we need, but he seems to be a solid shooter and playmaker who had some DII offers. 

Season Averages
PTS    REB   AST   STL   
12.18 5.05 2.95   1.5

Good find! The level of retweets on that suggests he's a popular player - I bet he'll fit in great
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2021, 10:41:18 AM
Rockhurst is a bigger football school than basketball, but it's one of the major athletic programs in the state. It's a very good pedigree. He'll definitely have played in some big games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 17, 2021, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
Mason Thompson, 6'1" SG out of Rockhurst Prep (MO) is the latest Scranton commit:

https://twitter.com/Mase_Thompson11/status/1383243267039367169/

Not the post that we need, but he seems to be a solid shooter and playmaker who had some DII offers. 

Season Averages
PTS    REB   AST   STL   
12.18 5.05 2.95   1.5

With the difficulty in finding out this commit, I thought it might be Mase Thompson, someone outside Scranton's usual recruiting territory and social media.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 17, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:34 PM
Yes not Zach Rovinsky,He is and will be playing for Susquehanna Riverhawks(Crusaders),Will be interesting seeing that match up!Probably kill us the next 4 years.

Can understand reluctance to play/not play for covid or attend/not attend because of online/in person classes but switching to a different conference school?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 17, 2021, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 17, 2021, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
Mason Thompson, 6'1" SG out of Rockhurst Prep (MO) is the latest Scranton commit:

https://twitter.com/Mase_Thompson11/status/1383243267039367169/

Not the post that we need, but he seems to be a solid shooter and playmaker who had some DII offers. 

Season Averages
PTS    REB   AST   STL   
12.18 5.05 2.95   1.5

With the difficulty in finding out this commit, I thought it might be Mase Thompson, someone outside Scranton's usual recruiting territory and social media.

Does Carl still have ties in the mid west for this one?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 17, 2021, 02:26:13 PM
I wonder if it's more the Jesuit connection than Danzig's midwest ties.  Boken also came from a Jesuit high school...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.

Hey all, I recently found this forum and thought I would chime in with some info on Mason Thompson. I run a basketball training business in Kansas City, and I have been working with Mason since he was in 4th grade, I know him and his game probably better than anybody.

Mason had offers to play at every level of college basketball:
D1 = PWO offer at UMKC
D2 = multiple schools, local and in Texas
D3 = Multiple schools in the northeast, stemming from his performance at the Penn University Elite camp before his senior season
NAIA = A school in Kansas where his older brother plays

The reason Mason chose Scranton was success of the program and the family feel, which came from both the coaches and players. Scranton was the first school to ever tell him that they are actively recruiting him. The Scranton coaching staff thoroughly out recruited every other school on his list. Their ability to develop a relationship with him was second to none. I will admit, I am confused by the criticism of coach Danzig on here. He does have the highest winning percentage of any coach in Scranton history, and is on track to retire as the winningest Scranton coach ever. Not sure what else you can ask of the guy. Ryan played a huge role in recruiting Mason, he is an incredible recruiter, but without coach Danzig, Mason would not have chosen Scranton. They share that Kansas City bond, coach Danzig was instrumental in convincing Mason's parents that Scranton was a great place. Mason's father is very picky about colleges, he was initially not wanting to send a kid to Scranton (because he knew nothing about it), but coach Danzig changed his mind.

As far as what you are getting in Mason, just know that nobody on the team will outwork him, he is an extremely intelligent kid (first team academic all state in Missouri), he will do whatever is asked of him, and he is an incredible teammate. With his signing, one thing I can tell you with is that you have a new best ball-handler on your team. I haven't seen many kids who can handle it better than Mason, I'm hoping he will get to showcase that at Scranton.

He was first team all-district, and honorable mention all-metro in Kansas City, playing both point guard and shooting guard. He lead his team in every major statistical category except rebounds (he was 2nd in rebounding). He did play at a very competitive school, playing with and against tons of D-1 players throughout his time at Rockhurst, in Missouri's largest class. He also played for a great AAU program, team YOBO, which also produced Loyola's Clayton Custer, along with many other D-1 talents.

I am certainly not trying to promise that Mason is going to come on campus and be dominant for you. I definitely wouldn't place those expectations on his career before he even graduates high school. I am excited to see how his career unfolds though, and with this post I am merely trying to come on here and offer you some background on who he is, because I saw some speculation.

From what I have seen of the University of Scranton, I am thrilled for Mason. I think this is a perfect fit between player and school. I look forward to talking hoops on this board for the next few years with you guys, I thought it was really cool to see how passionate you guys are about Scranton hoops.

Go Royals!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 24, 2021, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.

Hey all, I recently found this forum and thought I would chime in with some info on Mason Thompson. I run a basketball training business in Kansas City, and I have been working with Mason since he was in 4th grade, I know him and his game probably better than anybody.

Mason had offers to play at every level of college basketball:
D1 = PWO offer at UMKC
D2 = multiple schools, local and in Texas
D3 = Multiple schools in the northeast, stemming from his performance at the Penn University Elite camp before his senior season
NAIA = A school in Kansas where his older brother plays

The reason Mason chose Scranton was success of the program and the family feel, which came from both the coaches and players. Scranton was the first school to ever tell him that they are actively recruiting him. The Scranton coaching staff thoroughly out recruited every other school on his list. Their ability to develop a relationship with him was second to none. I will admit, I am confused by the criticism of coach Danzig on here. He does have the highest winning percentage of any coach in Scranton history, and is on track to retire as the winningest Scranton coach ever. Not sure what else you can ask of the guy. Ryan played a huge role in recruiting Mason, he is an incredible recruiter, but without coach Danzig, Mason would not have chosen Scranton. They share that Kansas City bond, coach Danzig was instrumental in convincing Mason's parents that Scranton was a great place. Mason's father is very picky about colleges, he was initially not wanting to send a kid to Scranton (because he knew nothing about it), but coach Danzig changed his mind.

As far as what you are getting in Mason, just know that nobody on the team will outwork him, he is an extremely intelligent kid (first team academic all state in Missouri), he will do whatever is asked of him, and he is an incredible teammate. With his signing, one thing I can tell you with is that you have a new best ball-handler on your team. I haven't seen many kids who can handle it better than Mason, I'm hoping he will get to showcase that at Scranton.

He was first team all-district, and honorable mention all-metro in Kansas City, playing both point guard and shooting guard. He lead his team in every major statistical category except rebounds (he was 2nd in rebounding). He did play at a very competitive school, playing with and against tons of D-1 players throughout his time at Rockhurst, in Missouri's largest class. He also played for a great AAU program, team YOBO, which also produced Loyola's Clayton Custer, along with many other D-1 talents.

I am certainly not trying to promise that Mason is going to come on campus and be dominant for you. I definitely wouldn't place those expectations on his career before he even graduates high school. I am excited to see how his career unfolds though, and with this post I am merely trying to come on here and offer you some background on who he is, because I saw some speculation.

From what I have seen of the University of Scranton, I am thrilled for Mason. I think this is a perfect fit between player and school. I look forward to talking hoops on this board for the next few years with you guys, I thought it was really cool to see how passionate you guys are about Scranton hoops.

Go Royals!

Thanks so much for sharing - it is encouraging and refreshing! Best of luck to Mason, I hope he wins a title for us!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 24, 2021, 07:37:39 PM
New Scranton president touring the Quinn athletic campus:

https://twitter.com/coachdavemartin/status/1385305094451781644

I took a trip there last year and gotta say, it is impressive - gives off a "mid major D1" feel, the baseball field is outstanding.

Let's hope "excited about the future" means A LOT more investment in athletics and students / alumni engagement around athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 24, 2021, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.

Hey all, I recently found this forum and thought I would chime in with some info on Mason Thompson. I run a basketball training business in Kansas City, and I have been working with Mason since he was in 4th grade, I know him and his game probably better than anybody.

Mason had offers to play at every level of college basketball:
D1 = PWO offer at UMKC
D2 = multiple schools, local and in Texas
D3 = Multiple schools in the northeast, stemming from his performance at the Penn University Elite camp before his senior season
NAIA = A school in Kansas where his older brother plays

The reason Mason chose Scranton was success of the program and the family feel, which came from both the coaches and players. Scranton was the first school to ever tell him that they are actively recruiting him. The Scranton coaching staff thoroughly out recruited every other school on his list. Their ability to develop a relationship with him was second to none. I will admit, I am confused by the criticism of coach Danzig on here. He does have the highest winning percentage of any coach in Scranton history, and is on track to retire as the winningest Scranton coach ever. Not sure what else you can ask of the guy. Ryan played a huge role in recruiting Mason, he is an incredible recruiter, but without coach Danzig, Mason would not have chosen Scranton. They share that Kansas City bond, coach Danzig was instrumental in convincing Mason's parents that Scranton was a great place. Mason's father is very picky about colleges, he was initially not wanting to send a kid to Scranton (because he knew nothing about it), but coach Danzig changed his mind.

As far as what you are getting in Mason, just know that nobody on the team will outwork him, he is an extremely intelligent kid (first team academic all state in Missouri), he will do whatever is asked of him, and he is an incredible teammate. With his signing, one thing I can tell you with is that you have a new best ball-handler on your team. I haven't seen many kids who can handle it better than Mason, I'm hoping he will get to showcase that at Scranton.

He was first team all-district, and honorable mention all-metro in Kansas City, playing both point guard and shooting guard. He lead his team in every major statistical category except rebounds (he was 2nd in rebounding). He did play at a very competitive school, playing with and against tons of D-1 players throughout his time at Rockhurst, in Missouri's largest class. He also played for a great AAU program, team YOBO, which also produced Loyola's Clayton Custer, along with many other D-1 talents.

I am certainly not trying to promise that Mason is going to come on campus and be dominant for you. I definitely wouldn't place those expectations on his career before he even graduates high school. I am excited to see how his career unfolds though, and with this post I am merely trying to come on here and offer you some background on who he is, because I saw some speculation.

From what I have seen of the University of Scranton, I am thrilled for Mason. I think this is a perfect fit between player and school. I look forward to talking hoops on this board for the next few years with you guys, I thought it was really cool to see how passionate you guys are about Scranton hoops.

Go Royals!

I appreciate your comprehensive description of what Scranton can expect of Mason as a student and ball player. It's been more than a decade since we have had a high quality PG and I'm looking forward to his play. The opportunity/need certainly is there.
I've been a Scranton basketball observer since Coach Danzig's father was a college hooper and agree that Ryan is a tireless recruiter. Welcome to the chat board; we're here year round. Hopefully, it will be a fruitful choice for Mason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 10:43:44 PM

I appreciate your comprehensive description of what Scranton can expect of Mason as a student and ball player. It's been more than a decade since we have had a high quality PG and I'm looking forward to his play. The opportunity/need certainly is there.
I've been a Scranton basketball observer since Coach Danzig's father was a college hooper and agree that Ryan is a tireless recruiter. Welcome to the chat board; we're here year round. Hopefully, it will be a fruitful choice for Mason.
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It's a great opportunity for Mason for sure. That's awesome that you've been observing Scranton basketball for that long, hopefully the best is yet to come!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2021, 11:15:24 AM
@KCHoopsFan:  Thanks for the insight!  From what little I've seen and heard, Mason sounds like a great, heady and hardworking player.  From seeing what other schools were looking at him, I am happy that he chose Scranton and look forward to what he can bring to the team and the University over the next four years!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 25, 2021, 04:24:02 PM
Looks like we have another Scranton recruit:

https://twitter.com/grpssupt/status/1385663737827315714

12.4 PPG for Glen Rock HS in NJ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 25, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
That seems like pretty big news. Kid is 6'7". Instantly the tallest guy on the team. From his highlights it looks like he can hit threes and he moves pretty well for his size.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
McLoughlin was actually the first commit to this class back in October:

https://twitter.com/NJHoops/status/1314311066709614592

His school is just getting around to publicizing it, I guess. :)

Besides him and Thompson, there is one other known commit from back in November:  PG Colin Merriman out of Camden Catholic

https://twitter.com/ColinMerrim9/status/1329175457284169729

It looks like a good class, but I think the team could still use a little more frontcourt depth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 25, 2021, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
McLoughlin was actually the first commit to this class back in October:

https://twitter.com/NJHoops/status/1314311066709614592

His school is just getting around to publicizing it, I guess. :)

Besides him and Thompson, there is one other known commit from back in November:  PG Colin Merriman out of Camden Catholic

https://twitter.com/ColinMerrim9/status/1329175457284169729

It looks like a good class, but I think the team could still use a little more frontcourt depth.

National signing day for D1 basketball started April 14. More and more schools are celebrating their non-D1 "signings' with a similar ceremony during this period.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 25, 2021, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.

Hey all, I recently found this forum and thought I would chime in with some info on Mason Thompson. I run a basketball training business in Kansas City, and I have been working with Mason since he was in 4th grade, I know him and his game probably better than anybody.

Mason had offers to play at every level of college basketball:
D1 = PWO offer at UMKC
D2 = multiple schools, local and in Texas
D3 = Multiple schools in the northeast, stemming from his performance at the Penn University Elite camp before his senior season
NAIA = A school in Kansas where his older brother plays

The reason Mason chose Scranton was success of the program and the family feel, which came from both the coaches and players. Scranton was the first school to ever tell him that they are actively recruiting him. The Scranton coaching staff thoroughly out recruited every other school on his list. Their ability to develop a relationship with him was second to none. I will admit, I am confused by the criticism of coach Danzig on here. He does have the highest winning percentage of any coach in Scranton history, and is on track to retire as the winningest Scranton coach ever. Not sure what else you can ask of the guy. Ryan played a huge role in recruiting Mason, he is an incredible recruiter, but without coach Danzig, Mason would not have chosen Scranton. They share that Kansas City bond, coach Danzig was instrumental in convincing Mason's parents that Scranton was a great place. Mason's father is very picky about colleges, he was initially not wanting to send a kid to Scranton (because he knew nothing about it), but coach Danzig changed his mind.

As far as what you are getting in Mason, just know that nobody on the team will outwork him, he is an extremely intelligent kid (first team academic all state in Missouri), he will do whatever is asked of him, and he is an incredible teammate. With his signing, one thing I can tell you with is that you have a new best ball-handler on your team. I haven't seen many kids who can handle it better than Mason, I'm hoping he will get to showcase that at Scranton.

He was first team all-district, and honorable mention all-metro in Kansas City, playing both point guard and shooting guard. He lead his team in every major statistical category except rebounds (he was 2nd in rebounding). He did play at a very competitive school, playing with and against tons of D-1 players throughout his time at Rockhurst, in Missouri's largest class. He also played for a great AAU program, team YOBO, which also produced Loyola's Clayton Custer, along with many other D-1 talents.

I am certainly not trying to promise that Mason is going to come on campus and be dominant for you. I definitely wouldn't place those expectations on his career before he even graduates high school. I am excited to see how his career unfolds though, and with this post I am merely trying to come on here and offer you some background on who he is, because I saw some speculation.

From what I have seen of the University of Scranton, I am thrilled for Mason. I think this is a perfect fit between player and school. I look forward to talking hoops on this board for the next few years with you guys, I thought it was really cool to see how passionate you guys are about Scranton hoops.

Go Royals!

This is awesome, and appreciated. I wanted to address the frustration that you see on this board with Coach Danzig and hope to frame it a bit.

First, many of us remember the glory years of National Championships and a full Long Center ( remind me to post some of the youtube videos that have been popping up). So I think part of it is the frustration that we can't return to those times. We have extremely and probably unfair expectations to be in the NCAAs every year and to win a few tourny games. I get the sense of frustration that the Long Center was far from filled prior to the pandemic and there wasn't as much juice in the program over the past few years. Then 2 or 3 kids departed the program this year, which despite the strange "covid" year that it is, is alarming. A few of our rivals also look loaded, Catholic has youth and will likely be a conference player for the next few years.

Finally, you see Coach Van Zelst on the bench, with some recruiting chops , and wonder if it is time to hand him the reigns to the program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 26, 2021, 12:06:32 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 25, 2021, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 24, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 17, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

NEPA:
My guess is Danzig had little to do with this until Ryan boxed it up with a bow on top & handed it to him.
If Danzig had any ties back to the mid-west, he would have used them long before this.
With no inside game except for Emms, other teams will simply continue to overplay the guards & force them out deeper & deeper.
Could be a long year as there just isn't really much talented depth.

Hey all, I recently found this forum and thought I would chime in with some info on Mason Thompson. I run a basketball training business in Kansas City, and I have been working with Mason since he was in 4th grade, I know him and his game probably better than anybody.

Mason had offers to play at every level of college basketball:
D1 = PWO offer at UMKC
D2 = multiple schools, local and in Texas
D3 = Multiple schools in the northeast, stemming from his performance at the Penn University Elite camp before his senior season
NAIA = A school in Kansas where his older brother plays

The reason Mason chose Scranton was success of the program and the family feel, which came from both the coaches and players. Scranton was the first school to ever tell him that they are actively recruiting him. The Scranton coaching staff thoroughly out recruited every other school on his list. Their ability to develop a relationship with him was second to none. I will admit, I am confused by the criticism of coach Danzig on here. He does have the highest winning percentage of any coach in Scranton history, and is on track to retire as the winningest Scranton coach ever. Not sure what else you can ask of the guy. Ryan played a huge role in recruiting Mason, he is an incredible recruiter, but without coach Danzig, Mason would not have chosen Scranton. They share that Kansas City bond, coach Danzig was instrumental in convincing Mason's parents that Scranton was a great place. Mason's father is very picky about colleges, he was initially not wanting to send a kid to Scranton (because he knew nothing about it), but coach Danzig changed his mind.

As far as what you are getting in Mason, just know that nobody on the team will outwork him, he is an extremely intelligent kid (first team academic all state in Missouri), he will do whatever is asked of him, and he is an incredible teammate. With his signing, one thing I can tell you with is that you have a new best ball-handler on your team. I haven't seen many kids who can handle it better than Mason, I'm hoping he will get to showcase that at Scranton.

He was first team all-district, and honorable mention all-metro in Kansas City, playing both point guard and shooting guard. He lead his team in every major statistical category except rebounds (he was 2nd in rebounding). He did play at a very competitive school, playing with and against tons of D-1 players throughout his time at Rockhurst, in Missouri's largest class. He also played for a great AAU program, team YOBO, which also produced Loyola's Clayton Custer, along with many other D-1 talents.

I am certainly not trying to promise that Mason is going to come on campus and be dominant for you. I definitely wouldn't place those expectations on his career before he even graduates high school. I am excited to see how his career unfolds though, and with this post I am merely trying to come on here and offer you some background on who he is, because I saw some speculation.

From what I have seen of the University of Scranton, I am thrilled for Mason. I think this is a perfect fit between player and school. I look forward to talking hoops on this board for the next few years with you guys, I thought it was really cool to see how passionate you guys are about Scranton hoops.

Go Royals!

This is awesome, and appreciated. I wanted to address the frustration that you see on this board with Coach Danzig and hope to frame it a bit.

First, many of us remember the glory years of National Championships and a full Long Center ( remind me to post some of the youtube videos that have been popping up). So I think part of it is the frustration that we can't return to those times. We have extremely and probably unfair expectations to be in the NCAAs every year and to win a few tourny games. I get the sense of frustration that the Long Center was far from filled prior to the pandemic and there wasn't as much juice in the program over the past few years. Then 2 or 3 kids departed the program this year, which despite the strange "covid" year that it is, is alarming. A few of our rivals also look loaded, Catholic has youth and will likely be a conference player for the next few years.

Finally, you see Coach Van Zelst on the bench, with some recruiting chops , and wonder if it is time to hand him the reigns to the program.

Glad you liked the info I provided! Yeah the attendance of the games was one of Mason's "pros" about Scranton when he was picking a school. Are you saying the attendance is poor now? Yeah I mean Danzig is winning a higher percentage of games than even the legendary coach Bess did. And I understand that the wins that count the most are in the postseason, but man the NCAA tournament is such a crapshoot. It takes a tremendous deal of luck to win an NCAA title. The best team rarely wins the title, at least at the D1 level. I just think its extremely dangerous to fire a head coach who is that consistent of a winner. In my opinion the best way to win a title is to hire a consistent winner as a coach and stick with him until the stars align and that title comes. Just think about guys like Bill Self and Tony Bennett and Jay Wright, Scott Drew, and John Wooden (didn't win a title until his 16th year as a head coach). All guys who could have been fired because they had lots of regular season success but underperformed in the tourney. Their programs stuck with them and eventually all of those programs were rewarded.

What you say of coach Danzig also reminds me of the Andy Reid situation in Philly. He was fired because he was just a great regular season coach and he couldn't win the title. His young protege was hired. Sure, they won a super bowl in the short term. But Pederson turned out to not work out, he was canned, the Eagles suck now, and Reid now has a title and is no doubt a first ballot hall of famer. The Eagles won't find a better coach than him anytime soon.

That's just my opinion on it. Not telling you how to feel, but I think winners like Danzig can't be taken for granted. I think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Some other young coach may seem exciting and new, but you may end up longing for the days where Scranton was making conference championship appearances. I love Ryan and think he is great. Its just that when I found this forum I was expecting to see people happy about having such a winning head coach and that's not what I saw.

As far as attendance, I'm not sure what the head coach can do about that except win. I went to Loyola University Chicago. My freshman year was Porter Moser's first year there. He literally knocked on my dorm room door with basketball tickets in his hand and offered them to me and my friends. He would go around the dorms knocking on doors handing out tickets pleading kids to come to the games. But it never worked. We won 7 games that year, and all year long if you wanted to you could walk into Gentile arena and sit front row with a big group of friends. The place was that empty. It stayed that way until Loyola made the final 4.

The thing that is clear to me and that I think everyone can agree on is that a national title would fix all the issues you have mentioned and all the concerns you have! I'm praying that happens sometime in the next 4 years. How sweet that would be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I do have to say it is tough to read the constant complaining of the staff and state of the program.  Nearly every program in the region and even nation would to have not only the history, but more recently under Coach Danzig.
10 - 20 win seasons
10 - NCAA apps
2 - Sweet 16s
1 - Elite 8 
9 - conf titles
only 1 losing season

The Landmark is a better conf than the MAC was.  The Landmark today is much stronger than it was in early years.  Moravian and Drew have gone from bottom tier teams to the top of the conference.

The attendance is sad, and it will probably never be what it was in years we remember of past. I know that people at the university have tried to address attendance, and figure out how to bring kids in. Sadly, and I hate to sound like an old man, but kids have more options and different interests today.  Kids venture a campus differently than any of us did. Your common student who does not truly know athletics takes a knock at DIII, and just thinks, "well it's not Duke".

Hopefully a younger team revitalizes the program and fan base.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 26, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I do have to say it is tough to read the constant complaining of the staff and state of the program.  Nearly every program in the region and even nation would to have not only the history, but more recently under Coach Danzig.
10 - 20 win seasons
10 - NCAA apps
2 - Sweet 16s
1 - Elite 8 
9 - conf titles
only 1 losing season

The Landmark is a better conf than the MAC was.  The Landmark today is much stronger than it was in early years.  Moravian and Drew have gone from bottom tier teams to the top of the conference.

The attendance is sad, and it will probably never be what it was in years we remember of past. I know that people at the university have tried to address attendance, and figure out how to bring kids in. Sadly, and I hate to sound like an old man, but kids have more options and different interests today.  Kids venture a campus differently than any of us did. Your common student who does not truly know athletics takes a knock at DIII, and just thinks, "well it's not Duke".

Hopefully a younger team revitalizes the program and fan base.

I think you're completely right about why attendance is decreasing. This has been happening with all college sports for the past 13 years. I recently read an article that said even Georgia football is having to get creative to fill their stadium. They are allowing recent grads into the student section just to get it filled up, because there were big holes in it. Also, the kids who are showing up to games are coming later and leaving earlier.

I went to the same high school as Mason, Rockhurst high school. When I was there if you wanted a seat in the student section at the football game you had to arrive very early. The student section was packed like a can of sardines and often spilled over into the general admission section. This was even the case for road games. Now, with the program still elite in the midwest, and perennial state title contenders, the student section never even reaches 50% capacity. The kids just don't care like they used to.

I agree completely with you about kids having more options and different interest. The way technology and phones have advanced plays a huge role in that. Something has to be massively entertaining to bring in enough young kids to fill an arena.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 26, 2021, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I do have to say it is tough to read the constant complaining of the staff and state of the program.  Nearly every program in the region and even nation would to have not only the history, but more recently under Coach Danzig.
10 - 20 win seasons
10 - NCAA apps
2 - Sweet 16s
1 - Elite 8 
9 - conf titles
only 1 losing season

The Landmark is a better conf than the MAC was.  The Landmark today is much stronger than it was in early years.  Moravian and Drew have gone from bottom tier teams to the top of the conference.

The attendance is sad, and it will probably never be what it was in years we remember of past. I know that people at the university have tried to address attendance, and figure out how to bring kids in. Sadly, and I hate to sound like an old man, but kids have more options and different interests today.  Kids venture a campus differently than any of us did. Your common student who does not truly know athletics takes a knock at DIII, and just thinks, "well it's not Duke".

Hopefully a younger team revitalizes the program and fan base.

That's my sense also of the student situation, and to a lesser degree, the larger Scranton community, in general. No cause from the basketball program - don't think there's been more exciting basketball in the past 20 years than the 2019-20 team with Mancuso, DeVerna, Bailey, Jackson, and the passing of Ben Bosland, yet little student attendance.
  Don't agree that the Landmark is stronger than in the early years - Jay Howard(Catholic) was the most recent high quality recruit in the conference as a whole and that was 2014. Juniata, E-town, and Goucher haven't been factors and it's been years since anyone has won more than 2 NCAA games in a season.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 26, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I know that people at the university have tried to address attendance, and figure out how to bring kids in.

I would be curious on how they have done this specifically? You seem to be in touch with the Administration so I would be curious.

It is certainly a give in take with fan engagement, in years past you didn't have live streaming to include play-by-play and games on demand.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 26, 2021, 03:47:39 PM
Just my two cents - but the U has done a lousy job investing in a few things in terms of athletics marketing:

Digital / social media - social can be a powerful student + alumni engagement tool and source of creative content - it can be a recruiting tool if done right. Right now, they just use it to tell people when games are being played and what the final score was. Go look at how pro and D1 teams handle social. It's night and day.

A community of athletics support - the university needs to create a stronger culture and community of passionate athletics fans - a loud student section, an investment in game presentation - larger schools have done it. We have a smaller room to fill - invest in the game experience and a fan section and more fans will come. Create  a sense of "care" among the student body (and alumni) and it can change things dramatically. Even if it just ends up being for men + women's hoops, go all in on building a community around that.

Lastly - rebrand. The look / feel of the athletics brand is very high school. A revamped look (Script Scranton - baseball style) and cooler wolf and "S" logo will be enough - get those banners around campus and town. Don't let people forget you have amazing student athletes competing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
Yes, you need people who understand what is attractive to kids on a campus now, and that is certainly above me.  I will say the branding has improved some in the last years, but getting it out in the public seems to be non-existent. Been a long time since the university and city itself felt connected.

My point was no more than the fact I know it has been a talking point among those involved about how to get kids at games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 26, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
Seems like some great recruits coming in this year.I ve been saying every recruiting class hope this is the one class that gets us to the  (National title)Big difference comparing Danzing and Bess All I will say is two National Championship and a couple 2nd and 3rds and yes Danzing has 10 ncaa appearances in 21years and out of those 10! 6 of them knocked out in first round.So  besides the two National teams what other teams did you like mine is the 88 team and the 93 team which I thought was the best team!ⁿ
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 26, 2021, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on April 26, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
Seems like some great recruits coming in this year.I ve been saying every recruiting class hope this is the one class that gets us to the  (National title)Big difference comparing Danzing and Bess All I will say is two National Championship and a couple 2nd and 3rds and yes Danzing has 10 ncaa appearances in 21years and out of those 10! 6 of them knocked out in first round.So  besides the two National teams what other teams did you like mine is the 88 team and the 93 team which I thought was the best team!ⁿ

I go with Danzig's 1st team in '03 with Derek Elphick in the post, Brian O'Donnell(my favorite Royal in the D3 era) @ PF, Dan Loftus & Ryan Rogus at the guards, a shutdown defender(Brian Smith) and a good 6th man(Jeff Kane); that team shot over 40% from 3, beat a very good Ursinus team in the 2nd round, and lost on the road in the 3rd round when Elphick was hobbled with an injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 26, 2021, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 26, 2021, 03:54:07 PM


My point was no more than the fact I know it has been a talking point among those involved about how to get kids at games.

They get decent community support. The students only show up come playoff time. There are some ways to get the kids to show up. Half court shot for prizes; pep band, etc.  Talking about and doing is two different things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 26, 2021, 08:18:08 PM

Let's really take a look at Danzig's numbers because getting 20 wins with a cupcake schedule (no offense to Bard, Sarah Lawrence, & Cooper Union) is vastly different than picking up 20 against UAA, NESCAC & the Ohio Athletic Conf. regulars game in and game out.

*Danzig starts off in 2001-02 with a somewhat veteran team put together by Bess.
The Royals go 12-13. No NCAA bid.
*02-03'-They go 24-6 with a very veteran team. Make it to the Sweet 16, lose at Wooster by 11.
*03-04'-Bess's players are now gone.
Royals go 5-20. Worst record in modern Scranton history. Needless to say, no NCAA's.
*04-05'-Nice improvement, they go 20-7. To get to 20 wins, the Royals accept a very rare ECAC bid. & win the first game vs. Alvernia, then lose to F&M.
*05-06"- Record of 21-7. Make the NCAA tournament then promptly crushed in the 1st. rd. by Wm. Patterson (70-45).
*06-07'-19-7 this season. No NCAA tourney.
*07-08'-19-9. Make the NCAA's but defeated in another first round game by Elms 71-53. This was a very veteran team as well with both a great point guard & one of their best post players.
*08-09'-Record of 21-7. Knocked out one more time in the NCAA first round by Brandeis.
*09-10'-Record of 18-9. No NCAA tourney.
*10-11'-Regular season record of 20-6. However, a funny thing happened on the way to the NCAA's. Royals knocked out yet again in the first round by Becker, 80-73. Scranton had a 14 point lead in this game with 14 minutes to play but were out-rebounded 26-11 in the 2nd. half.
*11-12'-Record of 23-8. The Royals make it to the Elite 8 in Danzig's best season. However, luck was on their side this year as two crucial 3 pointers were made at the buzzer to win game 1 vs. Messiah & game 3 vs. Middlebury. Thank you Matt Swaback & Travis Ferrell. However, the Royals fall to Cabrini by 20 the following evening & lose the chance at a Final Four.
*12-13'-Record of 19-7. Lose in the first round of the Landmark playoffs at home with another veteran team. No NCAA at-large bid.
*13-14'-This years record is a very impressive 24-4. But, guess what??? Yep, knocked out yet again in Round number 1. This year, Hobart has the honors, 94-81.
*14-15'-Record of 23-6 and this year the Royals do get by the 1st. round defeating Baruch & then losing to Babson in the 2nd. round.
*15-16'-Record of 19-8. Lost Landmark championship but in a very rare move, the NCAA awards an at-large bid to Scranton & the Landmark. The Royals match up vs. Lynchburg in the 1st. round & in about 5 minutes before the half, the Royals go from up 4 to down 16 before a time out is called.
Scranton never recovers & lose 82-55.
*16-17'-Record of 22-7. In a bit of a surprise, the Royals defeat Oswego St. in OT in the first rd.but then promptly get deposited in the loss column by Williams, 80-53.
*17-18'-Record of 13-12. No NCAA.
*18-19'-Record of 20-6. No NCAA at large bid.
*19-20'-19-8. Lose Landmark championship...no NCAA bid.
*20-21'-7-3, no championship.

The thing that becomes clear with all these numbers, he wins the games he clearly should, he loses the games he clearly should & he loses more of the 50/50's than he should.
When it comes time for the NCAA tournament, he usually gets beat & generally pretty badly. Not sure if its the preparation or talent or a combo of both. Some years he's had really great kids that just fell flat.
However, just not sold on his X & O's as I just don't see kids improve very much from freshman day 1 until their last game as a senior.
Too many kids have left the program & they don't actually transfer, they just stop playing.
Every year we hope for the chance that this season will be the one where everything comes together but, sadly, it never does.
i guess we can all console ourselves and thank heavens we're still far better than kings, Wilkes & Marywood.
However, Bess would have never entertained that thinking...he played the best, wanted to be the best & didn't like second place trophies.
Maybe it is a different time where winning, consistency & development are no longer that valued and everyone gets a trophy.
If that's the case then the Royals are in a good place.
Personally, I just think they can be in a better place.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 26, 2021, 09:47:04 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 26, 2021, 08:18:08 PM

Let's really take a look at Danzig's numbers because getting 20 wins with a cupcake schedule (no offense to Bard, Sarah Lawrence, & Cooper Union) is vastly different than picking up 20 against UAA, NESCAC & the Ohio Athletic Conf. regulars game in and game out.

*Danzig starts off in 2001-02 with a somewhat veteran team put together by Bess.
The Royals go 12-13. No NCAA bid.
*02-03'-They go 24-6 with a very veteran team. Make it to the Sweet 16, lose at Wooster by 11.
*03-04'-Bess's players are now gone.
Royals go 5-20. Worst record in modern Scranton history. Needless to say, no NCAA's.
*04-05'-Nice improvement, they go 20-7. To get to 20 wins, the Royals accept a very rare ECAC bid. & win the first game vs. Alvernia, then lose to F&M.
*05-06"- Record of 21-7. Make the NCAA tournament then promptly crushed in the 1st. rd. by Wm. Patterson (70-45).
*06-07'-19-7 this season. No NCAA tourney.
*07-08'-19-9. Make the NCAA's but defeated in another first round game by Elms 71-53. This was a very veteran team as well with both a great point guard & one of their best post players.
*08-09'-Record of 21-7. Knocked out one more time in the NCAA first round by Brandeis.
*09-10'-Record of 18-9. No NCAA tourney.
*10-11'-Regular season record of 20-6. However, a funny thing happened on the way to the NCAA's. Royals knocked out yet again in the first round by Becker, 80-73. Scranton had a 14 point lead in this game with 14 minutes to play but were out-rebounded 26-11 in the 2nd. half.
*11-12'-Record of 23-8. The Royals make it to the Elite 8 in Danzig's best season. However, luck was on their side this year as two crucial 3 pointers were made at the buzzer to win game 1 vs. Messiah & game 3 vs. Middlebury. Thank you Matt Swaback & Travis Ferrell. However, the Royals fall to Cabrini by 20 the following evening & lose the chance at a Final Four.
*12-13'-Record of 19-7. Lose in the first round of the Landmark playoffs at home with another veteran team. No NCAA at-large bid.
*13-14'-This years record is a very impressive 24-4. But, guess what??? Yep, knocked out yet again in Round number 1. This year, Hobart has the honors, 94-81.
*14-15'-Record of 23-6 and this year the Royals do get by the 1st. round defeating Baruch & then losing to Babson in the 2nd. round.
*15-16'-Record of 19-8. Lost Landmark championship but in a very rare move, the NCAA awards an at-large bid to Scranton & the Landmark. The Royals match up vs. Lynchburg in the 1st. round & in about 5 minutes before the half, the Royals go from up 4 to down 16 before a time out is called.
Scranton never recovers & lose 82-55.
*16-17'-Record of 22-7. In a bit of a surprise, the Royals defeat Oswego St. in OT in the first rd.but then promptly get deposited in the loss column by Williams, 80-53.
*17-18'-Record of 13-12. No NCAA.
*18-19'-Record of 20-6. No NCAA at large bid.
*19-20'-19-8. Lose Landmark championship...no NCAA bid.
*20-21'-7-3, no championship.

The thing that becomes clear with all these numbers, he wins the games he clearly should, he loses the games he clearly should & he loses more of the 50/50's than he should.
When it comes time for the NCAA tournament, he usually gets beat & generally pretty badly. Not sure if its the preparation or talent or a combo of both. Some years he's had really great kids that just fell flat.
However, just not sold on his X & O's as I just don't see kids improve very much from freshman day 1 until their last game as a senior.
Too many kids have left the program & they don't actually transfer, they just stop playing.
Every year we hope for the chance that this season will be the one where everything comes together but, sadly, it never does.
i guess we can all console ourselves and thank heavens we're still far better than kings, Wilkes & Marywood.
However, Bess would have never entertained that thinking...he played the best, wanted to be the best & didn't like second place trophies.
Maybe it is a different time where winning, consistency & development are no longer that valued and everyone gets a trophy.
If that's the case then the Royals are in a good place.
Personally, I just think they can be in a better place.

So it sounds like the only knock on Danzig is lack of tourney success. Its totally fair to want more tourney success. Like I said I am new here and don't really know the history. All I know is the overwhelming majority of D3 coaches don't make the tourney in over half their seasons like Danzig has. So you guys definitely have a good thing going with him. I understand fans don't want good they want great. I am the same way as a fan. I am glad you all want to see the program reach such great heights. I personally want to see that too but I also try to be realistic and know that no program is entitled to that. I am happy that things are good at Scranton, hopefully we can get to great!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 27, 2021, 09:12:23 AM
     I have to again defend the NCAA Tournament record.  Again, it is always a toss up in the NCAA Tournament, whether DI, II, or III.  But if you go back and look at who the Royals lost to.  '03 at Wooster, who I believe was a finalist? 11-12 they lost to Cabrini, who lost in the final.  13-14 Hobart had a kid they just did not match up with, and that made them pay. 14-15 they lost to a young Babson team, who the next year was a final 4 team with arguably the best kid in the country. 16-17 they lost to Williams who went on to the final four.
    Long and short, they have run in to teams on a run, and good teams for that matter.  Yes, eventually you need to win one of those games, but they are not always losing to teams they should beat in the NCAA Tournament.

    For the 11-12 team, they had the greatest documented comeback in program history over a good Messiah team, then smacked the host WP on the mouth. They did go on the road to a tough Middlebury, and defeated the #4 team in the country in a hostile home gym.

    The early season schedule is light often, but I do recall games against good opponents of York, Bates, Cabrini, William Paterson in last few years. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 27, 2021, 12:49:15 PM

You have your take & I have mine.
Most times the cream rises to the top in the tournament, of course there are upsets, that's the beauty.
However, it just seems whenever Scranton wins...that's the upset.
I think his tournament record is abysmal.
Also, they didn't defeat the host Wm. Patterson in 2012, they defeated Becker. Patterson was simply the host sight.
One last thing...there is a reason his teams tend to go up against some better clubs, because the NCAA has them rated much lower.
There is also a reason the Royal's have only hosted one NCAA tournament in 20 years and, if Ursinus completed their NCAA paperwork on time to host...the Royal's would still be waiting for their first opportunity.
Defending his NCAA tournament record is simply putting lipstick on a pig.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2021, 02:05:23 PM

I went looking through some of the publicly available data today, just to see where Scranton stands in comparison.  I looked at Christopher Newport as the comp, largely because they're the most successful program in the region over the last decade or so.

Both teams spend about the same amount of money overall (about $350k, salaries included), but the personnel allocation is quite different.  Scranton lists Danzig as a full time employee with part time assignment to basketball, which means he's got other duties.  Some schools have to do that to pay a competitive salary, but if you talk to any coach, that shared attention makes a huge difference.  John Krikorian has nothing to do, but focus on his basketball team, 12 months a year.

Scranton has two assistants listed, one a full-time, fully dedicated to basketball position, and a second part timer.  CNU has one full time and two part time assistants.  There are only salary averages available for Scranton, while CNU is a public institution with public salaries, but I suspect, even if they've been able to put a competitive package together for the HC, the assistants aren't getting paid commensurate with CNU and the man hours allocated to basketball aren't that close.


(Oh, and not to throw a wrench into things, but Swarthmore has one full time HC and three part time assistants, and spends almost exactly half of what either CNU or Scranton does on men's basketball.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 27, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Danzing is an assistant on the the golf team.So he would be full time.So Head coach Basketball and assistant coach for men's golf
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 27, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
Kirk also did a great job with Merchant Marines.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 27, 2021, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 27, 2021, 12:49:15 PM

You have your take & I have mine.
Most times the cream rises to the top in the tournament, of course there are upsets, that's the beauty.
However, it just seems whenever Scranton wins...that's the upset.
I think his tournament record is abysmal.
Also, they didn't defeat the host Wm. Patterson in 2012, they defeated Becker. Patterson was simply the host sight.
One last thing...there is a reason his teams tend to go up against some better clubs, because the NCAA has them rated much lower.
There is also a reason the Royal's have only hosted one NCAA tournament in 20 years and, if Ursinus completed their NCAA paperwork on time to host...the Royal's would still be waiting for their first opportunity.
Defending his NCAA tournament record is simply putting lipstick on a pig.

WM Paterson was upset in the 1st round so the Royals avoided playing them in the 2nd round; they had instead a neutral site game with Becker. This was the most recent Royals NCAA game that I've seen in person due to distance considerations and the lack of appearances since then. I remember there being a student bus from Scranton for the 1st round game with a number of Lady Royals among them. The dad of one(Christine Hiltunen) led the cheering to bring back the Royals from a big deficit. I'd be surprised if there would be such a bus trip today with the current student disinterest. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 28, 2021, 08:29:38 AM
Another point on the men not hosting, in some years, especially when the women were one of top teams in the nation, depending on year, the women's team had priority in hosting, so even if the men won in the low 20s for W's, there was no way they would get to host. 

Problem with much of the student section, especially in traveling is that much of the student section consists of other athletes at the school.  By March, any of the spring athletes are going to have games of their own on a Saturday during the tournament, and not be able to travel to see a game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2021, 08:53:48 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 28, 2021, 08:29:38 AM

Problem with much of the student section, especially in traveling is that much of the student section consists of other athletes at the school.  By March, any of the spring athletes are going to have games of their own on a Saturday during the tournament, and not be able to travel to see a game.

Also in a normal year, the month of January is dead on campus with intersession. That being said, no reason other student athletes shouldn't be encouraged to show up to support their fellow athletes.

This engagement in April is amazing, imagine if the kids cared as much as us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 28, 2021, 10:02:35 AM
The school has outstanding business / marketing and communication programs. Put the professors and students on this project - create a better experience and promotion around games. Scranton does not have a "team" per se - Scranton locals, students and alum can rally around a basketball program if the marketing + engagement efforts are on point. Creating a better atmosphere and cheering section at games and driving interest (via the Aquinas, Radio station, university e-mail + TV, ads around campus) and breeding sports passion + Scranton pride into the students can happen if you put the right people and spend the right way on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 28, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
See bess always made it a show and about his team.Carl is very low key guy,My opinion no personality to connect with people!Back in the 70s,80s,And 90s Bessior put the show on the floor by recruiting D1 players and also playing D1 schools,Bessior never backed down and I think Saratoga is right when Danzing has his tournament at home he brings in the bards,Penn tech not a knock on them but bring the show to your tournament !,,Will give your guys experience for the ncaa playoffs(I think he lost alot of them first rounds games because of his scheduling) Playing great teams like Amherst,Williams,CNU in o your schedule helps!I understand you want to make it easy to win your tournament but this will get fans back in to the long center and even bring bigger recruits to the U those low d1 players etc.In Bessiors case D1 players.On a  Wednesdsy night during  Bessiors tenure you would have a line at the door waiting to get in to See the men play Delaware Valley,Kings,Wilkes,etc.Start bringing the show back and the fans will show up.You need a National caliber team to get that fan base and like Saratoga said nobody wants to see a team that in the last 21 years make it 10 ncaa appearances it should be every year!!,,Just my thought why fan base is not at the U or following them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 28, 2021, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on April 28, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
See bess always made it a show and about his team.Carl is very low key guy,My opinion no personality to connect with people!Back in the 70s,80s,And 90s Bessior put the show on the floor by recruiting D1 players and also playing D1 schools,Bessior never backed down and I think Saratoga is right when Danzing has his tournament at home he brings in the bards,Penn tech not a knock on them but bring the show to your tournament !,,Will give your guys experience for the ncaa playoffs(I think he lost alot of them first rounds games because of his scheduling) Playing great teams like Amherst,Williams,CNU in o your schedule helps!I understand you want to make it easy to win your tournament but this will get fans back in to the long center and even bring bigger recruits to the U those low d1 players etc.In Bessiors case D1 players.On a  Wednesdsy night during  Bessiors tenure you would have a line at the door waiting to get in to See the men play Delaware Valley,Kings,Wilkes,etc.Start bringing the show back and the fans will show up.You need a National caliber team to get that fan base and like Saratoga said nobody wants to see a team that in the last 21 years make it 10 ncaa appearances it should be every year!!,,Just my thought why fan base is not at the U or following them.

Dedicate yourself to greatness. Totally agree. IMO, I'd like to see Scranton move to a more competitive conference:

Stay D3 and move to the Centennial for better competition
Reclassify to D2 and move to PSAC and cultivate stronger regional rivalries
Reclassify to D1 and move to the MAAC (our gym is nicer than Rider's anyway)

I know those last two are not super realistic, but regardless - getting better schools on the schedule + REALLY building local rivalries (even if it is Keystone, Marywood and Wilkes) can help

Pair that with better marketing and fan support and we can be a force in the Electric City.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 28, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on April 28, 2021, 06:53:10 PM
Dedicate yourself to greatness. Totally agree. IMO, I'd like to see Scranton move to a more competitive conference:

Stay D3 and move to the Centennial for better competition
Reclassify to D2 and move to PSAC and cultivate stronger regional rivalries
Reclassify to D1 and move to the MAAC (our gym is nicer than Rider's anyway)

I know those last two are not super realistic, but regardless - getting better schools on the schedule + REALLY building local rivalries (even if it is Keystone, Marywood and Wilkes) can help

Pair that with better marketing and fan support and we can be a force in the Electric City.

Well, if this plan goes through, the PSAC may be looking for some more members:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/04/27/pennsylvania-higher-ed-system-releases-consolidation-plans#.YIiQPvRQ3UY.link
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
It is almost like the handful of posters here could be used by the Scranton administration to help solve the problem, along with students.


Anyways, For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ZnQuvRcB8

and Coach Danzig going crazy as the Royal's knock of MIddlebury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 28, 2021, 09:39:54 PM

NEPA:

Plus 1 for sharing those moments of Bess & that last Championship Season.
The days when the Long Center started rocking an hour before the game.
If only we could see those crowds & the excitement for Royals basketball once more.
Great job bringing back those memories of when we were a national program.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 29, 2021, 02:03:56 AM
Was at that game in Middlebury!Coach D ran all the ways up the steps in the bleachers behind the team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 29, 2021, 02:14:46 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
It is almost like the handful of posters here could be used by the Scranton administration to help solve the problem, along with students.


Anyways, For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ZnQuvRcB8

and Coach Danzig going crazy as the Royal's knock of MIddlebury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXEHtNrCTo

Nepa,
   thanks for the link; plenty of shots of the way things used to be in the Long Center - crowds in the clippings between 2000-3500. I've got a VCR tape of the championship game somewhere in my house but this will do fine until I find it.
Some observations:
   Analyst for the championship game was John Clark, star player at my high school and coach @ St. Francis(PA)
   no 3-pt shot in D3 by '83, 4 players on the foul line
   pictures of Scranton mayor Jim McNulty, was in my college class @ the U
   pic of former AD and football HC Pete Carlesimo, father of PJ, NBA analyst
   G Todd Bailey is father of current Royal star Logan Bailey 
   
   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 29, 2021, 09:16:49 AM
With the scheduling, you are assuming any of those teams would want to come to Scranton to play. Scranton did go to the CNU tournament a few years ago, and knocked them off when I believe they were ranked in the top 10 or 11 in the country.

As for local scheduling, the Kings - Wilkes games are simply reminders of what was.  Kids do not care anymore about Wilkes or Kings.  That rivalry officially died once U left the MAC.  The Cross County games just feel different.

I would support a season opener with Marywood if they made it more city oriented.  Throw a title on it, give it some better press, make it a thing.

I think a lot across the country will change in conferences in the coming few years as schools struggle to stay afloat due to the state we are in.  I could see teams come or go in the Landmark, but I like the base of the conference.  You have a nice local rival potential in Moravian & SUS, and a great rival in Catholic. Drew is also developing in a competitive battle now.

Going D2, Scranton would struggle, simply based on recruiting.  PA D2 is predominately state schools.  They cannot complete in bringing in a kid who would be going to a state school at a fraction of the cost, even with some money going to scholarships.

As for D1, no thanks!  I like my athletics at this level.  I appreciate the purity of it all.  D1 is fun to watch on TV, but just thank.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 29, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on April 29, 2021, 09:16:49 AM
With the scheduling, you are assuming any of those teams would want to come to Scranton to play. Scranton did go to the CNU tournament a few years ago, and knocked them off when I believe they were ranked in the top 10 or 11 in the country.

As for local scheduling, the Kings - Wilkes games are simply reminders of what was.  Kids do not care anymore about Wilkes or Kings.  That rivalry officially died once U left the MAC.  The Cross County games just feel different.

I would support a season opener with Marywood if they made it more city oriented.  Throw a title on it, give it some better press, make it a thing.

I think a lot across the country will change in conferences in the coming few years as schools struggle to stay afloat due to the state we are in.  I could see teams come or go in the Landmark, but I like the base of the conference.  You have a nice local rival potential in Moravian & SUS, and a great rival in Catholic. Drew is also developing in a competitive battle now.

Going D2, Scranton would struggle, simply based on recruiting.  PA D2 is predominately state schools.  They cannot complete in bringing in a kid who would be going to a state school at a fraction of the cost, even with some money going to scholarships.

As for D1, no thanks!  I like my athletics at this level.  I appreciate the purity of it all.  D1 is fun to watch on TV, but just thank.

Totally get where you are coming from - I do think playing at the D1 level will help with school recognition an local pride, but I'm not sure they would be competitive enough to change the culture of fans unless they are consistently dominant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
From my interactions with the university; they aspire to be on pace with the NESAC (Middlebury, Tufts, etc) of the D3 world.

Outside of basketball the athletic department is miles ahead of where it used to be.

All students need to submit their package to scranton by 1 May, window is closing on anymore commits...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 29, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582



Let the sleuthing begin!  I've noticed that the players/teams typically post about it 1-2 days later...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 30, 2021, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11

another great get. seems like this team has their eye on building a true contender.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 30, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11

Looks like a big wing, as opposed to a "big", per se. What indicates that the new commit is Khoza?

Wish the women had gotten a commit from Khoza's classmate, Teresa Haigh, daughter of Joe Haigh, former WBB HC @ St. Francis(PA); alas, she committed to D2 Seton Hill. I remember Teresa's mom starring in high school ball in my area of MD and later @ Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on May 01, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 30, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11

Looks like a big wing, as opposed to a "big", per se. What indicates that the new commit is Khoza?

Wish the women had gotten a commit from Khoza's classmate, Teresa Haigh, daughter of Joe Haigh, former WBB HC @ St. Francis(PA); alas, she committed to D2 Seton Hill. I remember Teresa's mom starring in high school ball in my area of MD and later @ Notre Dame.

Scranton had been telling Mason they were still recruiting one more kid, a 6'7" kid. Mason's mother told me that they signed the kid. I asked who it was and she said Cameron Khoza. I went to his twitter after I heard that, and see that Van Zelst had been liking Khoza's posts. So it seems to check out to me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 01, 2021, 02:18:43 AM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on May 01, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 30, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11

Looks like a big wing, as opposed to a "big", per se. What indicates that the new commit is Khoza?

Wish the women had gotten a commit from Khoza's classmate, Teresa Haigh, daughter of Joe Haigh, former WBB HC @ St. Francis(PA); alas, she committed to D2 Seton Hill. I remember Teresa's mom starring in high school ball in my area of MD and later @ Notre Dame.

Scranton had been telling Mason they were still recruiting one more kid, a 6'7" kid. Mason's mother told me that they signed the kid. I asked who it was and she said Cameron Khoza. I went to his twitter after I heard that, and see that Van Zelst had been liking Khoza's posts. So it seems to check out to me.

Sounds good; just wondering how the rest of our sleuths might have missed it.   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 03, 2021, 05:45:11 AM
Talking about scheduling!Anyone have any ideas about holiday trips are they on or off due to covid ?TY
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 03, 2021, 05:45:11 AM
Talking about scheduling!Anyone have any ideas about holiday trips are they on or off due to covid ?TY

Most holiday tourneys I'm aware of have not had any more trouble getting teams than in other years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 03, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
https://app.mobilecause.com/vf/GOROYALS


Fundraising season....please consider donating for the entertainment you have received from both the Men and Women's games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 03, 2021, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 01, 2021, 02:18:43 AM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on May 01, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 30, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on April 30, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 29, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
I wished it into existence..

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1387862265806872582

It is Cameron Khoza. A 6'7" kid who seems like he can shoot the ball and put it on the floor a little too. Reminds me a lot of McLoughlin. I think it's fantastic that they brought in 2 chess pieces like that in the same class, plus two physical and skilled guards.

https://twitter.com/cameronkhoza7?s=11

Looks like a big wing, as opposed to a "big", per se. What indicates that the new commit is Khoza?

Wish the women had gotten a commit from Khoza's classmate, Teresa Haigh, daughter of Joe Haigh, former WBB HC @ St. Francis(PA); alas, she committed to D2 Seton Hill. I remember Teresa's mom starring in high school ball in my area of MD and later @ Notre Dame.

Scranton had been telling Mason they were still recruiting one more kid, a 6'7" kid. Mason's mother told me that they signed the kid. I asked who it was and she said Cameron Khoza. I went to his twitter after I heard that, and see that Van Zelst had been liking Khoza's posts. So it seems to check out to me.

Sounds good; just wondering how the rest of our sleuths might have missed it.   ;)

I was just coming on to say that Khoza had named one of his hudl highlight films "Scranton" but had otherwise not publicly indicated anything.  https://www.hudl.com/profile/13712008/Cameron-Khoza

But then he made it Twitter official tonight:  https://twitter.com/CameronKhoza7/status/1389342359830339584



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 05, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 27, 2021, 12:49:15 PM

You have your take & I have mine.
Most times the cream rises to the top in the tournament, of course there are upsets, that's the beauty.
However, it just seems whenever Scranton wins...that's the upset.
I think his tournament record is abysmal.
Also, they didn't defeat the host Wm. Patterson in 2012, they defeated Becker. Patterson was simply the host sight.
One last thing...there is a reason his teams tend to go up against some better clubs, because the NCAA has them rated much lower.
There is also a reason the Royal's have only hosted one NCAA tournament in 20 years and, if Ursinus completed their NCAA paperwork on time to host...the Royal's would still be waiting for their first opportunity.
Defending his NCAA tournament record is simply putting lipstick on a pig.

That's the beauty of "takes" and "opinions". Just like you-know-what's, everybody has one and nobody's is any better or more correct than anyone else's.

I know many yearn for the past, but that's why they call it the past. For anybody to think that current day Scranton should be competing with the cream of the UAA and NESCAC crop is delusional.
Danzig is not some D-1 head coach, with boosters quietly paying studs (see Coack K and Zion), and reeling in some massive paycheck. For many, we couldn't live off of his salary.

I cut him a break while acknowledging that he is good, solid, head coach.................and not the spectacular variety that some think Scranton is somehow entitled to have on their bench.

Give me some conference championships and a win or two in the NCAA's every now and then and I'm OK. It's obvious that many in the Scranton community feel the same way or he'd be long gone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 05, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2021, 02:05:23 PM

I went looking through some of the publicly available data today, just to see where Scranton stands in comparison.  I looked at Christopher Newport as the comp, largely because they're the most successful program in the region over the last decade or so.

Both teams spend about the same amount of money overall (about $350k, salaries included), but the personnel allocation is quite different.  Scranton lists Danzig as a full time employee with part time assignment to basketball, which means he's got other duties.  Some schools have to do that to pay a competitive salary, but if you talk to any coach, that shared attention makes a huge difference.  John Krikorian has nothing to do, but focus on his basketball team, 12 months a year.

Scranton has two assistants listed, one a full-time, fully dedicated to basketball position, and a second part timer.  CNU has one full time and two part time assistants.  There are only salary averages available for Scranton, while CNU is a public institution with public salaries, but I suspect, even if they've been able to put a competitive package together for the HC, the assistants aren't getting paid commensurate with CNU and the man hours allocated to basketball aren't that close.


(Oh, and not to throw a wrench into things, but Swarthmore has one full time HC and three part time assistants, and spends almost exactly half of what either CNU or Scranton does on men's basketball.)

Ryan, as a Swarthmore undergrad, THAT point makes my chest swell with pride (as well as being a tough point to debate against)!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 06, 2021, 12:21:30 PM
Some updates from the new Scranton president:

How about a favorite sport?
Well, I'm not much of a sportsman, I'll have to admit that. But, I really enjoy college athletics, especially when they're connected to the school at which I happen to be serving. So, the athletes and the coaches at Scranton will see me in the stands and in the bleachers as often as my schedule allows.

When you're in the stands for those Scranton athletes, are you a rowdy fan?
Well, I'm afraid that sometimes I run the risk of getting thrown out of the gym. But, I promise to be on my best behavior.

source: https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2021/05/news-president-lighter-q.shtml
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 06, 2021, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 06, 2021, 12:21:30 PM
Some updates from the new Scranton president:

How about a favorite sport?
Well, I'm not much of a sportsman, I'll have to admit that. But, I really enjoy college athletics, especially when they're connected to the school at which I happen to be serving. So, the athletes and the coaches at Scranton will see me in the stands and in the bleachers as often as my schedule allows.

When you're in the stands for those Scranton athletes, are you a rowdy fan?
Well, I'm afraid that sometimes I run the risk of getting thrown out of the gym. But, I promise to be on my best behavior.

source: https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2021/05/news-president-lighter-q.shtml

Thanks, doesn't sound like a big sports guy. Just need him to recognize the value of athletics that we have reinforced on this site over and over again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 08, 2021, 04:01:32 PM

Good DIII landing spot for Univ. of Hartford is the Landmark.
Between I-84 going from Hartford right into Scranton & points south & east as well as proximity to I-95 (Baltimore & DC.) & I-80 from Scranton to Bethlehem & Madison...seems like these schools match up far better than some little NE. conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 08, 2021, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 08, 2021, 04:01:32 PM

Good DIII landing spot for Univ. of Hartford is the Landmark.
Between I-84 going from Hartford right into Scranton & points south & east as well as proximity to I-95 (Baltimore & DC.) & I-80 from Scranton to Bethlehem & Madison...seems like these schools match up far better than some little NE. conferences.

The trip to Juniata might be a deal-breaker, though.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 08, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 08, 2021, 04:01:32 PM

Good DIII landing spot for Univ. of Hartford is the Landmark.
Between I-84 going from Hartford right into Scranton & points south & east as well as proximity to I-95 (Baltimore & DC.) & I-80 from Scranton to Bethlehem & Madison...seems like these schools match up far better than some little NE. conferences.

I was thinking Scranton could take their spot in the America East Conference  ;D

In all seriousness, Hartford could be a good fit in the Landmark. I'd like to see a few more schools get added to that conference anyway. At least bring it to 12.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 08, 2021, 07:06:03 PM

Rule # 1.

If you are a private school, never join a conference full of state schools.
The average cost of the American East for tuition alone is roughly 20k per year.
Scranton is 24k...per semester.
Some schools such as Binghamton & Mass. Lowell can bring in 2 full-time scholarship kids for every one at a private.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 09, 2021, 07:32:42 PM
If Scranton was to go DI, the MAAC may make the most sense:  all private, mostly Catholic (including some Jesuits), similar sized institutions.  And no football.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 09, 2021, 09:23:35 PM

Tim:

I have to admit, that conference (MAAC), is about as close to a 10 on the yawn meter as we could find.
Just stay DIII and make the appropriate commitments for all athletic teams.

The more I've read about some of the back-room, underhanded & sleazy things the current Hartford President pulled right after the mens basketball team played in the schools first NCAA D-I tournament, the more I think leagues should turn their backs on them a while & let him spend his precious savings traveling all over the northeast looking for games.
The Hartford Courant has some good reads.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 09, 2021, 09:48:37 PM
Agreed on both counts.  The MAAC isn't the most exciting, but probably the most realistic, DI option.  Geographically, the A-10 and Patriot could also make sense but I don't see those happening. 

But this is all speculation anyway:  they're DIII, with no indication of that changing.  So they should focus on being a consistently strong DIII program.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 10, 2021, 08:51:54 AM
I never can make sense of where the Scranton D1 talk comes from.  Is this just hopes of some?  There has been nothing news wise that would lead anyone to believe they would ever make that jump, nor want to.  I also wonder why given the state of D1, anyone would want to make that jump.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 10, 2021, 09:05:45 AM
I know there was a study done in the 90s, and they decided to stay DIII then.  I think that with the new athletic complex finally happening, that has revived some of the chatter.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 10, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
On to recruiting for the class or '22.

It looks like the Royals are pretty active with some rising seniors that were at the Philly Pride tournament this weekend: 

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1162940

(About 3/4 of the way down)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 10, 2021, 10:54:07 AM
+1, Tim
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 10, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 10, 2021, 08:51:54 AM
I never can make sense of where the Scranton D1 talk comes from.  Is this just hopes of some?  There has been nothing news wise that would lead anyone to believe they would ever make that jump, nor want to.  I also wonder why given the state of D1, anyone would want to make that jump.

I believe it is hopes. Same that have been expressed about more emphasis on Athletics from the University in general.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 10, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
I don't think one has anything to do with the other. Look how many D1's don't have that support from their university.  We just saw it in U of Hartford dropping down.

Scranton obviously has tremendous support from the athletics offices side, and I think under previous presidents, the same can be said, so we will see where that goes with the new president. 

It would be interesting to see how much money is spent in comparison to other private D3's across the MA region.  I know it was discussed previously with CNU and Swarthmore in a post a few weeks back.   

Bottom line is you can have all of the support and backing you want, but you need to have the right kids in a given program.  Right doesn't mean best. 

Additionally, Hartford is not going to look at the Landmark.  They are in central CT, and will identify with the NE schools, all of which are closer than rides to Scranton, DC, and Western PA.  Might be a school that U of S matches up with for NC games across some sports...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 10, 2021, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 10, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
I don't think one has anything to do with the other. Look how many D1's don't have that support from their university.  We just saw it in U of Hartford dropping down.

Scranton obviously has tremendous support from the athletics offices side, and I think under previous presidents, the same can be said, so we will see where that goes with the new president. 

It would be interesting to see how much money is spent in comparison to other private D3's across the MA region.  I know it was discussed previously with CNU and Swarthmore in a post a few weeks back.   

Bottom line is you can have all of the support and backing you want, but you need to have the right kids in a given program.  Right doesn't mean best. 

Additionally, Hartford is not going to look at the Landmark.  They are in central CT, and will identify with the NE schools, all of which are closer than rides to Scranton, DC, and Western PA.  Might be a school that U of S matches up with for NC games across some sports...

Some excellent points here. There really is not a major difference in school recognition and coverage in terms of D3 and LOW D1 schools like Niagara, Rider, Lafayette, Fairleigh Dickinson, Mount St. Mary's, etc. - unless one of those schools makes a major tournament.

I think when its all said and done, the preference would be for Scranton to continue elevating to become the best possible D3 program - and they have done a really good job leading the Landmark Conference - but we all want to see more marketing and better student and alumni engagement. Be the ABSOLUTE best in show across the board in terms of D3 facilities, branding, athlete marketing, student / alum engagement, social media, etc. and that's all you need, especially with the gap widening between the power 5 schools and the D1 mid-majors

However, if I got an e-mail from Scranton tomorrow that said the school aims to go D1 and join the NEC in 5 years, I'd be super excited and donate a ton. I just want Scranton to get as much appreciation and recognition and growth as possible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 10, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 10, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 10, 2021, 08:51:54 AM
I never can make sense of where the Scranton D1 talk comes from.  Is this just hopes of some?  There has been nothing news wise that would lead anyone to believe they would ever make that jump, nor want to.  I also wonder why given the state of D1, anyone would want to make that jump.

I believe it is hopes. Same that have been expressed about more emphasis on Athletics from the University in general.

This. For me, it is hopes + reading some of the tea leaves. They made a heck of an investment in the facilities a few years back and with a few more tweaks to the Long Center, everything is on par with the NEC and MAAC for the most part.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2021, 12:25:53 AM
 There's a 2-min video of the incoming Royals recruits on twitter under Scranton Basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 13, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 11, 2021, 12:25:53 AM
There's a 2-min video of the incoming Royals recruits on twitter under Scranton Basketball.

the video was sort of low production value but the recruiting class looks GREAT!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 22, 2021, 02:07:24 PM
Nice video!!!Great job Coachs on recruiting looks like alot of talent in this class.Cant wait to see you play on the courts again!!,Wish you the best Royals and Lady Royals.Long Center can be jumping again with Jumpin Jack Flash
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 23, 2021, 09:26:27 AM
why not have a pack the Long Center event for the first game of the year? Celebrate the re-opening of normal activities and get a little juice going.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 24, 2021, 08:41:00 AM
Congrats to Scranton Baseball on it's first ever conference championship in Baseball and ticket punched to the College World Series. What a shot in the arm this program has gotten since us old timers were there. The seniors missed their graduation to participate in the game, I am sure that memory will last a lifetime and is a bit more exciting than graduation.

Future looks bright.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 24, 2021, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 24, 2021, 08:41:00 AM
Congrats to Scranton Baseball on it's first ever conference championship in Baseball and ticket punched to the College World Series. What a shot in the arm this program has gotten since us old timers were there. The seniors missed their graduation to participate in the game, I am sure that memory will last a lifetime and is a bit more exciting than graduation.

Future looks bright.

Congrats, indeed! 
  Just wondering if the NCAA subsidizes the trip - 20-some team members traveling 1000s of miles?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 24, 2021, 11:01:06 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 24, 2021, 08:41:00 AM
Congrats to Scranton Baseball on it's first ever conference championship in Baseball and ticket punched to the College World Series. What a shot in the arm this program has gotten since us old timers were there. The seniors missed their graduation to participate in the game, I am sure that memory will last a lifetime and is a bit more exciting than graduation.

Future looks bright.

this program could give some D2 and D1 schools a run for their money. That new athletics complex is paying off big!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 24, 2021, 12:09:29 PM

Congrats indeed!
Yes, the NCAA picks up the entire tab.
This memory will stay with these kids long after any graduation speeches.
There are some exceptional baseball teams in this tournament but this is a tremendous first step.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)

It's a six-team double elimination tournament for regionals - then they take the eight regional winners to the final tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 24, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)

It's a six-team double elimination tournament for regionals - then they take the eight regional winners to the final tournament.

Yes, and, in a 6-team regional, 1 & 2 should get byes, 3 should play 6 and 4 play 5 in the 1st round. Then 1 plays the 4/5 winner and 2 plays the 3/6 winner in the next round of the winner's bracket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)

It's a six-team double elimination tournament for regionals - then they take the eight regional winners to the final tournament.

Yes, and, in a 6-team regional, 1 & 2 should get byes, 3 should play 6 and 4 play 5 in the 1st round. Then 1 plays the 4/5 winner and 2 plays the 3/6 winner in the next round of the winner's bracket.

Because its double elimination, they don't do byes - well at least in the first round.  The winner of the 1-6 game gets to wait and play the winner of the 2-5 and 3-4 losers, which is where they get the advantage of being the #1.  Kind of like a second round bye.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2021, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)

It's a six-team double elimination tournament for regionals - then they take the eight regional winners to the final tournament.

Yes, and, in a 6-team regional, 1 & 2 should get byes, 3 should play 6 and 4 play 5 in the 1st round. Then 1 plays the 4/5 winner and 2 plays the 3/6 winner in the next round of the winner's bracket.

Because its double elimination, they don't do byes - well at least in the first round.  The winner of the 1-6 game gets to wait and play the winner of the 2-5 and 3-4 losers, which is where they get the advantage of being the #1.  Kind of like a second round bye.

Ryan's "drop the mic" moment!! Thanks for the info Ryan!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 24, 2021, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 24, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Release from athletic dept: The Royals are the No. 6 seed in the region and will battle top seeded St. Thomas (Minnesota) who enters the tournament at 29-7 at a time to be determined on Thursday.

Doesn't sound like a seeded tournament: #6(Scranton) should play  #3(York), not #1(St. Thomas)

It's a six-team double elimination tournament for regionals - then they take the eight regional winners to the final tournament.

Yes, and, in a 6-team regional, 1 & 2 should get byes, 3 should play 6 and 4 play 5 in the 1st round. Then 1 plays the 4/5 winner and 2 plays the 3/6 winner in the next round of the winner's bracket.

Because its double elimination, they don't do byes - well at least in the first round.  The winner of the 1-6 game gets to wait and play the winner of the 2-5 and 3-4 losers, which is where they get the advantage of being the #1.  Kind of like a second round bye.

Ryan,
I checked with Ralph from the baseball board and you're right; I should have gone to the championship handbook first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on May 24, 2021, 09:27:13 PM
The 1-6 winner plays the 3-4 loser in the second round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 25, 2021, 12:04:00 AM
 Checked out this coming season's conference schedule: Royals open(away-12/4) and close(2/19) with Catholic; Sat doubleheaders have men play 1st.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2021, 10:57:13 AM
Saw this on another board:

Financial Health for Universities...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifrin/2 ... 2314e14916

Landmark schools.

1. Catholic 3.24 B+
2. Goucher 2.98 B
3. Juniata 2.44 C+
4. Elizabethtown 2.39 C+
5. Susquehanna 2.21 C+
6. Scranton 2.18 C+
7. Drew 1.04 D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 18, 2021, 10:57:13 AM
Saw this on another board:

Financial Health for Universities...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifrin/2 ... 2314e14916

Landmark schools.

1. Catholic 3.24 B+
2. Goucher 2.98 B
3. Juniata 2.44 C+
4. Elizabethtown 2.39 C+
5. Susquehanna 2.21 C+
6. Scranton 2.18 C+
7. Drew 1.04 D

Thanks for sharing! How does a school improve financial health? Not sure Scranton can possibly charge more at this point - and I'm done donating until the University improves its alumni engagement, course offering and athletics marketing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 22, 2021, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:44 PM

Thanks for sharing! How does a school improve financial health? Not sure Scranton can possibly charge more at this point - and I'm done donating until the University improves its alumni engagement, course offering and athletics marketing.

Basically, increase revenue and decrease spending (much like any organization).  But it is far more complicated than that.

There are three primary sources of income for colleges:  Tuition (and related costs like room/board/fees), donations and investments.  Most colleges rely heavily on tuition income, but that rarely covers the expenditures per student.  Plus many colleges have been heavily discounting tuition with larger scholarships, which is needed to attract students. 

So they need to build up the other areas to be less tuition-dependent, while paying down debt and saving funds at the same time.  But investing in facilities also attracts students, which increases the debt.  And the investments need to have a good balance of generating income for liquidity, growing reserves to weather storms such as COVID, and long-term growth.   

The biggest chunk of expenditures tends to be salaries/compensation, which is needed to attract and retain high-quality faculty, followed by facilities.  Plus there are many other expenditures such as recruiting and marketing and student life costs.  Many colleges are operating on razor-thin margins, if not in the red, so cutting costs (without severely affecting the student experience) isn't easy.  And if I had the answers I'd probably be making a lot more money than I currently do!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2021, 09:12:57 AM

This is also why you've seen schools announce 40 or 50 position eliminations in one go. They're really trying to right-size faculty and staff to what the actual enrollment demands.  It's tough, but necessary when there are majors that become unpopular and student demand changes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 22, 2021, 01:59:07 PM
Point of clarification. Apparently this report is dated 2018 , so obviously dated
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 22, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
 Thus before the complications arising from covid factors.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 23, 2021, 11:25:02 AM
I'd venture to say that things were better for many of these schools in 2018.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 23, 2021, 04:11:39 PM
Unrelated, I got around to reading Scanton's strategic plan for the next five years. Extremely unimpressive list of buzzwords with little substance of how the U is going to evolve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 24, 2021, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 23, 2021, 04:11:39 PM
Unrelated, I got around to reading Scanton's strategic plan for the next five years. Extremely unimpressive list of buzzwords with little substance of how the U is going to evolve.

As you had mentioned previously, what is the issue with "course offerings" at Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 25, 2021, 04:06:13 PM

Not sure there is an issue with course offerings.
They just added 3 new Majors...
*Chemical Engineering
*Mechanical Engineering
*Speech Pathology
This is in addition to a Ph.D program in Business & Physical Therapy.
From what I'm seeing, they are continuing to grow, not retract.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 25, 2021, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 24, 2021, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 23, 2021, 04:11:39 PM
Unrelated, I got around to reading Scanton's strategic plan for the next five years. Extremely unimpressive list of buzzwords with little substance of how the U is going to evolve.

As you had mentioned previously, what is the issue with "course offerings" at Scranton?

Let me rephrase that - I think they need to do a better job of marketing and promoting the University as a whole, as well as successful programs outside of nursing and finance. Their STEM and social science programs deserve more attention recognition. Lots of great alum and Scranton should promote the heck out of the great staff + success stories.

Additionally, the strategic plan emphasized a strong focus on the humanities - which are a staple of a Jesuit education - but not many of those degrees translate to equitable careers. Important - but perhaps not AS important in this day and age when students are drowning in student loan debt when they can get a solid education at a state school at a MUCH cheaper cost. Not saying Scranton should do away with those - they are a core staple of the school and important - but that does not mean it should be part of the strategic plan. That's like saying "educating our students" is part of the strategic plan.

I want to see a commitment to growing the recognition and awareness of the U of S overall - they need to be in the same tier as Tufts, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Bates, Haverford, Emory, Middlebury, Williams, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on July 02, 2021, 01:43:38 PM
I'll be curious to see how the new NIL stuff impacts smaller universities and Division 3 schools. There's not a ton of competition in the Scranton market so some of the Royals may be able to actually get some endorsement deals out of this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 02, 2021, 02:56:10 PM
 What kind of endorsements come to mind? Matt Mancuso getting $10 per dunk from Dunkin Donuts as part of an attending fan reward program? Emily Shurina raining 3s and endorsing some company with 3 in their name?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2021, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 02, 2021, 02:56:10 PM
What kind of endorsements come to mind? Matt Mancuso getting $10 per dunk from Dunkin Donuts as part of an attending fan reward program? Emily Shurina raining 3s and endorsing some company with 3 in their name?

You can't get paid for performance by anyone, so the "per dunk" stuff is out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 02, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
 Performance is a rather nebulous term; there should be a reason(performance?) that an athlete endorses some product, service, etc. or else what's the value in the endorsement?
  I could mention my numerous golf equipment endorsements; all of them paying me NOT to use their equipment.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 02, 2021, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 02, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
Performance is a rather nebulous term; there should be a reason(performance?) that an athlete endorses some product, service, etc. or else what's the value in the endorsement?
  I could mention my numerous golf equipment endorsements; all of them paying me NOT to use their equipment.   ;D

Ha!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 02, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
Performance is a rather nebulous term; there should be a reason(performance?) that an athlete endorses some product, service, etc. or else what's the value in the endorsement?
  I could mention my numerous golf equipment endorsements; all of them paying me NOT to use their equipment.   ;D

It's payment for notoriety or non competitive performance (giving lessons or coaching, for example). It's basically second level performance. You can be paid for the game you possess because of your athletic performance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 03, 2021, 05:45:20 PM

UofS mens schedule is up.
Regarding their non-conference...besides F&M, meh.
Same old, same old.
Although the addition of Cortland is a good one as we'll see how they stack up against a generally very physical SUNYAC team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 03, 2021, 06:07:21 PM
 PS-Hbg will be a quality opponent and Arcadia, if Daquan Davis returns. It remains to be seen who the other 2 teams are in the Hilton Invitational.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 09, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on July 03, 2021, 06:07:21 PM
PS-Hbg will be a quality opponent and Arcadia, if Daquan Davis returns. It remains to be seen who the other 2 teams are in the Hilton Invitational.

Johnson School of Technology and Lackawanna College Wayne County Campus ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 09, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Here's the official announcement of the new Royals:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20210709njybqp

As of now, all of the non-seniors look like they're returning but none of last year's seniors, so they are Logan-less:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/roster
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on July 10, 2021, 09:43:19 PM
Where are you guys seeing full schedule? I'm not seeing on U of S site
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 10, 2021, 10:42:21 PM
U have to modify the schedule link from 2020-2021 to 2021-2022; the SID staff is now releasing the fall sports schedules on the site; I suspect they'll do the winter sports afterwards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2021, 04:23:06 PM
Also visible here:
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Scranton/men/2021-22/index
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on July 12, 2021, 12:14:06 PM
According to their published 21-22 schedule, Swarthmore is playing in the U of Scranton tournament.  So there is the non-conference test you are probably looking for.  Although I'm thinking PSU-Harrisburg will be a serious test as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 12, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on July 12, 2021, 12:14:06 PM
According to their published 21-22 schedule, Swarthmore is playing in the U of Scranton tournament.  So there is the non-conference test you are probably looking for.  Although I'm thinking PSU-Harrisburg will be a serious test as well.

Good catch! Now they'll have to get by Centenary in the 1st round to play Swarthmore in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on July 12, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
   I have to say for first time in a long time I am impressed with the NC schedule. A potential 2nd rd match-up with Swarthmore is very exciting.
   The DSU game could be tough as well as Arcadia which is not an easy win. The December stretch of opening conf play at Cath, then F&M, PSU-H, and Cabrini will show how good the team is. Don't overlook Cortland either.

   The Kings and Wilkes games never excited me after leaving MAC, but they fill a schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 12, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on July 12, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
   I have to say for first time in a long time I am impressed with the NC schedule. A potential 2nd rd match-up with Swarthmore is very exciting.
   The DSU game could be tough as well as Arcadia which is not an easy win. The December stretch of opening conf play at Cath, then F&M, PSU-H, and Cabrini will show how good the team is. Don't overlook Cortland either.

   The Kings and Wilkes games never excited me after leaving MAC, but they fill a schedule.

You evidently never experienced 4000 watching a Kings-Scranton game @ the former CYC or the over flow crowd(including Scranton Police SWAT team) that couldn't get into the 1st encounter in the newly-opened Long Center. There was such high interest in the game back then that dozens of Kings students made it a tradition of walking 18 miles from Wilkes-Barre and bursting into the pregame warmup activity each year. Just a rant of the way things used to be.   :( 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on July 12, 2021, 04:46:16 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 12, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on July 12, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
   I have to say for first time in a long time I am impressed with the NC schedule. A potential 2nd rd match-up with Swarthmore is very exciting.
   The DSU game could be tough as well as Arcadia which is not an easy win. The December stretch of opening conf play at Cath, then F&M, PSU-H, and Cabrini will show how good the team is. Don't overlook Cortland either.

   The Kings and Wilkes games never excited me after leaving MAC, but they fill a schedule.

You evidently never experienced 4000 watching a Kings-Scranton game @ the former CYC or the over flow crowd(including Scranton Police SWAT team) that couldn't get into the 1st encounter in the newly-opened Long Center. There was such high interest in the game back then that dozens of Kings students made it a tradition of walking 18 miles from Wilkes-Barre and bursting into the pregame warmup activity each year. Just a rant of the way things used to be.   :(

maybe an investment in athletics marketing + student engagement can return under the new president?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 12, 2021, 05:35:38 PM
Nice....now can we get the long center packed for a good opening weekend tournament?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 12, 2021, 07:58:39 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath on anything wonderous coming from the new President's leadership as he's already been quoted that he's "not much of a sports fan".
There has to be pressure put on to market and advertise the product.
Jeez, take out a billboard along Rt. 81 showing the upcoming home schedule along with pics of the men & women stars...Pride, Passion, Tradition...UofS Basketball 2021/22.
Something.....Anything.
As you head into Philly, Villanova, Penn & St. Joe's all have advertising for their basketball programs.
Let's take the lead on this & not wait for another local school to do it first.
And, since we're talking marketing...could someone in the AD Dept. get a contract with a serious professional photographer so we don't have members of the department running around taking pictures of athletic events with a 2008 flip-phone?
Pictures of the recent showcase are horrible.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on July 15, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on July 12, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on July 12, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
   I have to say for first time in a long time I am impressed with the NC schedule. A potential 2nd rd match-up with Swarthmore is very exciting.
   The DSU game could be tough as well as Arcadia which is not an easy win. The December stretch of opening conf play at Cath, then F&M, PSU-H, and Cabrini will show how good the team is. Don't overlook Cortland either.

   The Kings and Wilkes games never excited me after leaving MAC, but they fill a schedule.

You evidently never experienced 4000 watching a Kings-Scranton game @ the former CYC or the over flow crowd(including Scranton Police SWAT team) that couldn't get into the 1st encounter in the newly-opened Long Center. There was such high interest in the game back then that dozens of Kings students made it a tradition of walking 18 miles from Wilkes-Barre and bursting into the pregame warmup activity each year. Just a rant of the way things used to be.   :(


You are right, I was not there for games like that. I went through when still a good rivalry bc fighting for conf title with those schools. Once playing them both two, even three times a season was gone with Landmark switch, that died out. No one cares anymore about a NC tilt with them anymore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 15, 2021, 10:01:10 AM
 Riley Hayes of Catholic is on the D3 team in the TBT tourney that starts tomorrow; wondering if Matt Mancuso of Scranton tried out for the team - he would seem to have enough game to contribute the team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 15, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on July 15, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on July 12, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on July 12, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
   I have to say for first time in a long time I am impressed with the NC schedule. A potential 2nd rd match-up with Swarthmore is very exciting.
   The DSU game could be tough as well as Arcadia which is not an easy win. The December stretch of opening conf play at Cath, then F&M, PSU-H, and Cabrini will show how good the team is. Don't overlook Cortland either.

   The Kings and Wilkes games never excited me after leaving MAC, but they fill a schedule.

You evidently never experienced 4000 watching a Kings-Scranton game @ the former CYC or the over flow crowd(including Scranton Police SWAT team) that couldn't get into the 1st encounter in the newly-opened Long Center. There was such high interest in the game back then that dozens of Kings students made it a tradition of walking 18 miles from Wilkes-Barre and bursting into the pregame warmup activity each year. Just a rant of the way things used to be.   :(


You are right, I was not there for games like that. I went through when still a good rivalry bc fighting for conf title with those schools. Once playing them both two, even three times a season was gone with Landmark switch, that died out. No one cares anymore about a NC tilt with them anymore.

So again we are preaching to the choir here, and I doubt anyone from the University is reading this, but Bob Bessoir really deserves a night to honor him at the Long Center. Put something nice together and make it all about Bess ( like you know he would love), pack the place... do it right.

Wilkes or F&M game would make the most sense to do this..Dean Corwin might be the most likley advocate for us...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 19, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 12, 2021, 07:58:39 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath on anything wonderous coming from the new President's leadership as he's already been quoted that he's "not much of a sports fan".
There has to be pressure put on to market and advertise the product.
Jeez, take out a billboard along Rt. 81 showing the upcoming home schedule along with pics of the men & women stars...Pride, Passion, Tradition...UofS Basketball 2021/22.
Something.....Anything.
As you head into Philly, Villanova, Penn & St. Joe's all have advertising for their basketball programs.
Let's take the lead on this & not wait for another local school to do it first.
And, since we're talking marketing...could someone in the AD Dept. get a contract with a serious professional photographer so we don't have members of the department running around taking pictures of athletic events with a 2008 flip-phone?
Pictures of the recent showcase are horrible.

Joyce Advertising donated to the Carlesimo Golf Event...seems like that might be an avenue for a billboard.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 19, 2021, 01:13:36 PM

Well, perhaps I should direct our yearly donation to the women's program for that specific purpose?
I mean just a little imagination can go a long way at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 04, 2021, 03:58:51 PM
 Tweet from Scranton bball that Logan Bailey will be playing next in England for Nottingham. Happy for the 2 1/2 years that we had to watch him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 05, 2021, 11:46:38 AM
Congrats to him on this great opportunity to continue his playing and studies!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 19, 2021, 10:26:28 AM
Article about Bailey in the Scranton Times today, but it is behind the paywall.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 20, 2021, 05:56:27 PM
Congratulations to Ryan Van Zelst on his promotion!

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20210820hi7qg1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 21, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
Indeed. Kudos to him. I wonder what this means long term...

Also kudos to the Administration for creating the position.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 21, 2021, 01:53:41 PM

Congrats to Ryan.
Absolutely the backbone of all the recruiting efforts the past 7 years.
Let's hope we see another promotion for him within the department next year...it's time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 16, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1438251056832602122?s=20


Moravian HC is vacant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 23, 2021, 07:47:11 PM
Looking through last week's media day pics on Twitter.  Bosland is not in them, but he's on the roster.  I wonder if he's still on the IR...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on September 24, 2021, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 16, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1438251056832602122?s=20


Moravian HC is vacant.

Moravian position filled for 21-22 with Interim Head Coach Mike Frew
https://www.moraviansports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20210923ml2lcb
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 24, 2021, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on September 24, 2021, 08:07:22 AM

Moravian position filled for 21-22 with Interim Head Coach Mike Frew
https://www.moraviansports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20210923ml2lcb

At first glance, I thought you said "Mark Few."  Now that would have been something!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 02, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
I see MIT is playing Catholic in Football. Scranton can we please get with the program and resurrect Football?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 09, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
Royals have another name on the roster:  Mario Rotell, a junior from Scranton Prep.  Don't know if he transferred or just didn't play before.

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/bios/rotell_mario_w6sz
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on October 11, 2021, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 02, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
I see MIT is playing Catholic in Football. Scranton can we please get with the program and resurrect Football?

If they did revive football, where would they play? I'm all for it, but would like for them to move to the University Athletic Association, provided Scranton's academics measure up. I'd love to be in the company of Wash U of STL, University of Rochester, etc. Elevate that Scranton name and brand!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
The UAA does not sponsor football.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on October 11, 2021, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on October 09, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
Royals have another name on the roster:  Mario Rotell, a junior from Scranton Prep.  Don't know if he transferred or just didn't play before.

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/bios/rotell_mario_w6sz

He is a walk on. Has attended the university for two years. But since there were only going to be 13 on the roster this year, they added a walk on to help fill out the roster. I believe he played in high school at Scranton prep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on October 11, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
Does Scranton still do a midnight madness? I saw that they did one in 2017. That seems like it would be a good thing for student engagement. And also for recruiting. It would show that sports matter, and be a fun thing prospective athletes would have to look forward to if they went to Scranton. I think it would just add to everyone's experience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 11, 2021, 01:45:40 PM
 This would be a good year for midnight madness since 1st practice is Friday anyhow; just have it Friday nite instead of Thursday nite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 11, 2021, 07:59:44 PM

Maybe the women's team can loan Danzig a line change.
Boy, would he be lost without Ryan actually bringing in the talent.
Raiding intramural basketball...not necessarily how championships are drawn up but when a number of kids walk away, necessity becomes the mother of invention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2021, 08:47:33 AM
Something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywiK5WNXzMY


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 12, 2021, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2021, 08:47:33 AM
Something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywiK5WNXzMY

A decent record(16-9) with a good post(Mark Beneski 6-9(#33)) as a soph and Jason Hoppy and Matt Cusano as frosh.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2021, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on October 11, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
Does Scranton still do a midnight madness? I saw that they did one in 2017. That seems like it would be a good thing for student engagement. And also for recruiting. It would show that sports matter, and be a fun thing prospective athletes would have to look forward to if they went to Scranton. I think it would just add to everyone's experience.

Last year with the pandemic they did a good session with both coaches on Youtube and Dean Corwin..not sure if they have anything cooking this year...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on October 12, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
The UAA does not sponsor football.
Really? I honestly don't know much about that conference other than the member schools - but their website has a page dedicated to all the schools that have football teams in that conference.

Either way - the main question is about where Scranton would actually field a team? They'd need to build a new facility for football I'm guessing - but I feel like they'd be to get some decent talent from the local high schools and some from NJ/NY/CT.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 12, 2021, 10:52:50 PM
 Scranton's club football team in the 60's? played at the city stadium on Providence Road used by the high schools; just a 2 mile trip down Mulberry Street from campus. I wouldn't hold my breath for football returning, though. Surprised that Misericordia started playing 10! years ago. Looked at their roster; seem to have as many players from MD as NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2021, 10:58:39 PM
Scranton has/had some land in Springbrook township. They also need some track facilities if they want to give some credibility to those programs.


Let me see if I can find out where exactly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 15, 2021, 09:09:25 PM
Couldn't find the land in Springbrook.

But midnight madness is tomorrow night per Scranton Soccer Instagram
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 17, 2021, 01:45:17 PM

Can't overlook # 24...Jack Lisicki...who now has two sons on the UofS baseball team.  :)

As for the Top 25 lead of "Familiar Faces" being there again this season...also need to note some long time names still missing after 21 years.

Headlining that group would be our Royals who may have briefly been in the Top 25 about 4 times in the Danzig tenure.

Looks like yet another milquetoast season on the Hill.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2021, 08:23:35 PM
51-sec video of Royals' intrasquad scrimmage on their twitter page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 02, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
anyone got anything on the Scranton scrimmage over the weekend?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 03, 2021, 08:45:23 AM
who did they scrimmage?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 03, 2021, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 03, 2021, 08:45:23 AM
who did they scrimmage?

Heard it was Montclair State in Jersey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on November 08, 2021, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 02, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
anyone got anything on the Scranton scrimmage over the weekend?

Yeah, they blew out Marywood in their first scrimmage and also blew out Montclair State a few days later. Don't have much on the specifics of who did well, just know that both games were wins, and neither was close.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
Good win by Goucher over Cabrini. I was actually watching until the video froze with a few seconds left, not sure what the issue was.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2021, 03:26:25 PM
 Things will be hopping on the campus this week:  Wed - NCAA 1st round field hockey, Fri - 2 men's bball games, Sat - 2 NCAA 1st round women's soccer matches, 2 men's & 1 women's bball games, men's and women's swimming meet, Sun - NCAA 2nd round soccer match and wrestling meet. Plus women's bball on Thurs @ nearby Marywood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 09, 2021, 06:00:24 PM

Ronk:
Right you are.
Might be a party or two taking place.  ;)
On another topic...tonight is the annual Sarah Lawrence/Bard b-ball game.
Scranton's schedule just seems so incomplete without those two rivals appearing on it any longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2021, 11:35:20 PM
 Recent Royals' PG Brian Monaghan now in grad school @ William Paterson and will play his extra year there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2021, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 09, 2021, 11:35:20 PM
Recent Royals' PG Brian Monaghan now in grad school @ William Paterson and will play his extra year there.

Brian scores 24 including 6-7 3-pters in his debut with Willy Pat tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2021, 07:18:44 AM

Yet Danzig rarely played him.  ::)
Gave the starting job last year to a complete unknown transfer that lasted all of one semester.
Good for Brian.
Is there any wonder why he's lost at least 5 players over the past two seasons who could have played another year.
When you can't even win the Landmark title with Mancuso, DeVerna, his son & Logan not to mention Brian & the other kids, then there really isn't much hope for any deep adventures into NCAA tournament waters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2021, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on November 08, 2021, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 02, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
anyone got anything on the Scranton scrimmage over the weekend?

Yeah, they blew out Marywood in their first scrimmage and also blew out Montclair State a few days later. Don't have much on the specifics of who did well, just know that both games were wins, and neither was close.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2021, 05:47:26 PM
Royals videostream has no crowd noise; it appears that play-by-play Dean is "zoom" ing from home; no explanation from Dean so far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on November 12, 2021, 10:20:16 PM
I was just at the Scranton vs Centenary game. It was insane how much energy Scranton came out with. That was the biggest energy mismatch I've seen at a college basketball game I've ever gone to. Scranton was incredibly high energy and Centenary was totally flat. That was my first Scranton game, and it was as much fun as I've had watching a college basketball game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2021, 11:35:30 PM
 Let's hope that energy carries over thru tomorrow. Defensive rebounding continues as a problem, allowing 14 offensive rebounds. Good mix of driving layups and open 3s on offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 11:30:12 AM


I mean, I feel like you Scranton fans will actually have to give some credit today.  That Centenary team isn't a pushover and they looked downright bad against the Royals.  Obviously, you'll want to wait to see how things go with Swarthmore, but there's perhaps some optimism on the horizon for Scranton this season.  Who would've guessed, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 13, 2021, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 11:30:12 AM


I mean, I feel like you Scranton fans will actually have to give some credit today.  That Centenary team isn't a pushover and they looked downright bad against the Royals.  Obviously, you'll want to wait to see how things go with Swarthmore, but there's perhaps some optimism on the horizon for Scranton this season.  Who would've guessed, right?

Did you see any of the game? Didn't know that Centenary wasn't a pushover...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
 Somebody gave Centenary a #25 vote in the preseason poll. Their guard(Chris Labelle) had a good reputation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: KCHOOPSFAN on November 13, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 13, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Somebody gave Centenary a #25 vote in the preseason poll. Their guard(Chris Labelle) had a good reputation.

Right. Centenary was favored to win that game. They can put up 100 and I'm sure you'll see them do that this year. Their point guard (Labelle) was supposed to be the best player on the floor. The guy averaged over 22 points per game last year, and had multiple 40 point outbursts. And they had a lot of other top performers returning. Who knows what will happen with Swarthmore, but personally I am thrilled by the way they put away centenary with authority. Certainly room for improvement as it's the first game, but as first games go, I felt that was a great one!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 13, 2021, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 11:30:12 AM


I mean, I feel like you Scranton fans will actually have to give some credit today.  That Centenary team isn't a pushover and they looked downright bad against the Royals.  Obviously, you'll want to wait to see how things go with Swarthmore, but there's perhaps some optimism on the horizon for Scranton this season.  Who would've guessed, right?

Did you see any of the game? Didn't know that Centenary wasn't a pushover...

I tuned in for a few minutes, because I wanted to see how Centenary was playing, but I didn't stick around long when it was clear they were not at their best.  It's not a great league, but they should be challenging for the conference title in the AEC.  At least that was the expectation coming in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2021, 05:30:30 PM
 Good effort by the Royals against Swarthmore, thought to be one of the top teams in the nation. many of their close-in shots didn't fall but Swarthmore's defense had much to do with that. Royals had trouble defending Vinny DeAngelo, especially after losing their best defender Taj Parland to an injury early in the game.
Frosh McLoughlin looks like he'll be a factor as he gains playing time.
Couple of strategy critiques:
   Swarthmore effectively pressed the Royals on inbounding under Swarthmore's basket and caused 3 or 4 turnovers before the Royals switched to an inbounding play; the 4 turnovers arguably was the difference in the game.
   Secondly, down 3 with the ball and 15 secs to go in the game, the Royals called  timeout to set up a play instead of going on the fly with the defense all spread out and trusting their players to get off a 3-pt shot. The timeout just allows the defense to decide what they want to do ahead of time instead of having to react on the fly. Coach Kosmalski probably(and this would be known in the scouting report of Swarthmore) is of the foul vs defend school for the situation and wouldn't have allowed the Royals to try a 3-pter without fouling before.
  Bunch of MAC opponents coming next: Wilkes, DeSales, Arcadia, Eastern before the 1st conference clash @ Catholic. Optimism for the season reigns after these 1st 2 games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2021, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 14, 2021, 05:30:30 PM
Good effort by the Royals against Swarthmore, thought to be one of the top teams in the nation. many of their close-in shots didn't fall but Swarthmore's defense had much to do with that. Royals had trouble defending Vinny DeAngelo, especially after losing their best defender Taj Parland to an injury early in the game.
Frosh McLoughlin looks like he'll be a factor as he gains playing time.
Couple of strategy critiques:
   Swarthmore effectively pressed the Royals on inbounding under Swarthmore's basket and caused 3 or 4 turnovers before the Royals switched to an inbounding play; the 4 turnovers arguably was the difference in the game.
   Secondly, down 3 with the ball and 15 secs to go in the game, the Royals called  timeout to set up a play instead of going on the fly with the defense all spread out and trusting their players to get off a 3-pt shot. The timeout just allows the defense to decide what they want to do ahead of time instead of having to react on the fly. Coach Kosmalski probably(and this would be known in the scouting report of Swarthmore) is of the foul vs defend school for the situation and wouldn't have allowed the Royals to try a 3-pter without fouling before.
  Bunch of MAC opponents coming next: Wilkes, DeSales, Arcadia, Eastern before the 1st conference clash @ Catholic. Optimism for the season reigns after these 1st 2 games.

Agree, they appear deeper than they have been in a few years...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 15, 2021, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 11, 2021, 07:18:44 AM

Yet Danzig rarely played him.  ::)
Gave the starting job last year to a complete unknown transfer that lasted all of one semester.
Good for Brian.
Is there any wonder why he's lost at least 5 players over the past two seasons who could have played another year.
When you can't even win the Landmark title with Mancuso, DeVerna, his son & Logan not to mention Brian & the other kids, then there really isn't much hope for any deep adventures into NCAA tournament waters.

I think after seeing this team play back to back games, I have to wonder if it is not more of the five kids who left the program were kids who did not fit the plan, right for the program, and knew they did not have a role in the program. This team, even two games in, is fun to watch. They are young and athletic. They play hard. Sure some areas to work on, but I am excited to see more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2021, 08:36:53 PM
Quote from: KCHOOPSFAN on November 13, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 13, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Somebody gave Centenary a #25 vote in the preseason poll. Their guard(Chris Labelle) had a good reputation.

Right. Centenary was favored to win that game. They can put up 100 and I'm sure you'll see them do that this year. Their point guard (Labelle) was supposed to be the best player on the floor. The guy averaged over 22 points per game last year, and had multiple 40 point outbursts. And they had a lot of other top performers returning. Who knows what will happen with Swarthmore, but personally I am thrilled by the way they put away centenary with authority. Certainly room for improvement as it's the first game, but as first games go, I felt that was a great one!

You've got to let me know where I can find some lines to bet on some D3 Hoops action ("Centenary was favored to beat Scranton"). I've never found any formal point spreads or places that would take the action. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2021, 12:29:07 PM
https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s=cb2022

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2021, 09:08:08 AM
Good Morning,

Wilkes-Scranton had a game last night and the students didn't care. Don't believe there was one student in the student section last night ( Dave Martin: What are you doing about this?). Don't expect the rivalry to be what it once was, but the kids on the court deserve some support from the student community.

Wilkes presses like crazy and gave Scranton a little bit of trouble early; good test for Susquehanna who if I remember correctly also presses all game long. Tahaj is still recovering from his injury but should be back soon. Merriman did a good job stepping up, 4-4 from the field...these freshman are going to be good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on November 19, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2021, 09:08:08 AM
Good Morning,

Wilkes-Scranton had a game last night and the students didn't care. Don't believe there was one student in the student section last night ( Dave Martin: What are you doing about this?). Don't expect the rivalry to be what it once was, but the kids on the court deserve some support from the student community.

Wilkes presses like crazy and gave Scranton a little bit of trouble early; good test for Susquehanna who if I remember correctly also presses all game long. Tahaj is still recovering from his injury but should be back soon. Merriman did a good job stepping up, 4-4 from the field...these freshman are going to be good.

The crowd looked decent in the stream I watched, but maybe that was just locals and parents?

Either way, I want to see A LOT more out of Scranton athletics. More student engagement - creation of a student / fan cheering section. That place needs to be ROCKING. Also, the social media absolutely stinks. If they want to recruit better talent, invest more in social media strategists, video editors and graphic artists. Ithaca does a WAY better job in that regard.

I also want to see them move conferences to the University Athletics Association. Scranton has tremendous academics, and a conference like this would be more ambitious fit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2021, 02:14:51 PM
Student section is under the far hoop. Zero students sitting there  (save for the cheerleaders) at the Wilkes game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on November 20, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
ah, I have not been to a game since the long center was enhanced - used to sit behind the baseline for men + women's games.

the point remains - I want to see A TON more of an investment in athletics and student engagement and support and better social media support of athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
I am not disagreeing, just think gameday experience with kids butts in seats in a higher priority.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on November 21, 2021, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
I am not disagreeing, just think gameday experience with kids butts in seats in a higher priority.
100% correct - that is much more important and I totally agree. Wish I knew how to help or how to push the admin more to help make that happen. Sports saw A LOT more support in my day - we had a cheering section and shirts to support men and womens basketball
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 22, 2021, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on November 19, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2021, 09:08:08 AM
Good Morning,

Wilkes-Scranton had a game last night and the students didn't care. Don't believe there was one student in the student section last night ( Dave Martin: What are you doing about this?). Don't expect the rivalry to be what it once was, but the kids on the court deserve some support from the student community.

Wilkes presses like crazy and gave Scranton a little bit of trouble early; good test for Susquehanna who if I remember correctly also presses all game long. Tahaj is still recovering from his injury but should be back soon. Merriman did a good job stepping up, 4-4 from the field...these freshman are going to be good.

The crowd looked decent in the stream I watched, but maybe that was just locals and parents?

Either way, I want to see A LOT more out of Scranton athletics. More student engagement - creation of a student / fan cheering section. That place needs to be ROCKING. Also, the social media absolutely stinks. If they want to recruit better talent, invest more in social media strategists, video editors and graphic artists. Ithaca does a WAY better job in that regard.

I also want to see them move conferences to the University Athletics Association. Scranton has tremendous academics, and a conference like this would be more ambitious fit.

Scranton is a good school but UAA? Hell, why stop there, let's put Scranton in the NESCAC, the Patriot League.........or the Ivies? My buddy Randy Arnold got in, they must make some athletic exceptions. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 22, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Can somebody who watched the game explain how Scranton lost to DeSales? They usually chew up and spit out MAC teams and DeSales was missing their best player, Timmy Edwards. Was it a fluke or is DeSales decent this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
 Don't believe there was any videostream watching of the game once it was moved to Moravian due to a shattered backboard @ DeSales.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2021, 01:22:09 PM

Ronk:
There was video available through Desales.

JM:
How'd they lose to Desales???
Well, as I've said a hundred times, Danzig led teams win the games they should (for the most part), they lose the games they should (rarely, if ever, do they upset anyone), and on the 50/50's...they probably lose 70% of those.
That's pretty much been the story of Royal basketball in the Danzig era.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 22, 2021, 06:48:53 PM
If it is not too frustrating for Scranton fans, watch the video of the DeSales game.  In particular, the last 8+ minutes.  That is where you will see how Scranton lost. Outscored 20-7 over that stretch and plagued by some poor decisions on offense, and were just out-hustled on several 50/50 plays.  Credit goes to DeSales.  What I saw from DeSales was a more efficient team than Scranton, and a team that played much more like a collective unit than the Royals.  They also did an outstanding job on Jackson Danzig.  By the way, I think it is a mistake to sell DeSales short.  They are the favorite in the MAC Freedom and clearly a 20+ win team this year.  On top of that, they have an outstanding coach in Coval and likely have as good or better record of success than Scranton over the past 20 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2021, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on November 22, 2021, 06:48:53 PM
If it is not too frustrating for Scranton fans, watch the video of the DeSales game.  In particular, the last 8+ minutes.  That is where you will see how Scranton lost. Outscored 20-7 over that stretch and plagued by some poor decisions on offense, and were just out-hustled on several 50/50 plays.  Credit goes to DeSales.  What I saw from DeSales was a more efficient team than Scranton, and a team that played much more like a collective unit than the Royals.  They also did an outstanding job on Jackson Danzig.  By the way, I think it is a mistake to sell DeSales short.  They are the favorite in the MAC Freedom and clearly a 20+ win team this year.  On top of that, they have an outstanding coach in Coval and likely have as good or better record of success than Scranton over the past 20 years.

Thanks, will do. Couldn't find the video on DeSales web site but now have found a game link on the Royals' site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2021, 08:33:52 AM

Just took a look at Kings schedule & it looks like JP is about to become an honorary member of the Penn St. Club.
He's played about 3 branches of that school plus Clarks Summit Bible...certainly not the toughest SOS ranking in the nation.
Looks like he's taken a page out of the Jerry Rikrode playbook when he was at Wilkes.
Jerry played more Bible schools than Billy Graham.
JP certainly looks like he's trying to pad the W column with those pesky little extension schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 23, 2021, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 23, 2021, 08:33:52 AM
JP certainly looks like he's trying to pad the W column with those pesky little extension schools.

Hazleton, Pa. - A gritty effort by the Hazleton Nittany Lions paid off with win over the Monarchs of King's College on Monday night by the score of 68-61. Hazleton excelled from field in this one, shooting nearly 50 percent from field, while limiting the Monarchs to just 21 total field goals and an 18.2 conversion rate from beyond the arc to lock in the victory.


Brother vs Brother tonight in at the Long Center, Arcadia coached by Adam, and ryan as Associate Head Coach. Don't bother rolling out the student section bleachers for this one... campus is closed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
Nepa,
Here r William & Mary's thoughts on student attendance at college sporting events:

https://wmsportsblog.com/2021/11/23/why-are-sports-losing-its-younger-fans/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 24, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
Thanks Ronk.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. For all the lack of fan support, it is amazing that we can watch every home game ( with commentary) and away game from the comfort of our home.

Hope everyone enjoys the football and food.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2021, 07:09:39 AM
Between that Bears/Lions game and the turkey, there was a recipe for a nap.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2021, 07:24:08 PM
Scranton down 24-7, nice of them to show up.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 01, 2021, 08:26:27 PM

Geez, that's unfortunate & just after they came in as the 243rd. best team in D-3 this week.
I've been watching the Bowdoin/Bates women's game...far more interesting.
Time for a change.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
I didn't watch the game but Eastern? We talkin Eastern (as an ode to Allen Iverson)? Not Tufts, not Swarthmore. We talkin...........Eastern?

Ronk, what the sam he*# is going on up in Scranton?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 01, 2021, 08:26:27 PM

Geez, that's unfortunate & just after they came in as the 243rd. best team in D-3 this week.
I've been watching the Bowdoin/Bates women's game...far more interesting.
Time for a change.

I c 1 of my former prospects(Callie Godfrey) has become a starter 4 Bowdoin @ forward. Coach Scheibles has moved on to Dartmouth, ICYMI.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
I didn't watch the game but Eastern? We talkin Eastern (as an ode to Allen Iverson)? Not Tufts, not Swarthmore. We talkin...........Eastern?

Ronk, what the sam he*# is going on up in Scranton?

Looked to me like they weren't ready for a physical game.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2021, 06:45:20 AM

Ronk:
Coach Schiebles moving on to Dartmouth...that happened back in April.
Remember...she also took Meredeth with her from Williams as a "volunteer" coach for this year until something permanent opens up?
Great game last night as Bates hung on to give Bowdoin their first loss & at Bowdoin.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 01, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
I didn't watch the game but Eastern? We talkin Eastern (as an ode to Allen Iverson)? Not Tufts, not Swarthmore. We talkin...........Eastern?

Ronk, what the sam he*# is going on up in Scranton?

Looked to me like they weren't ready for a physical game.

Coach calls a timeout, nothing changes, lead builds for Eastern, calls another timeout, nothing changes. Rinse and Repeat. We've seen this before.

Mason Thompson looks good....on the positive side.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 01, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
I didn't watch the game but Eastern? We talkin Eastern (as an ode to Allen Iverson)? Not Tufts, not Swarthmore. We talkin...........Eastern?

Ronk, what the sam he*# is going on up in Scranton?

Looked to me like they weren't ready for a physical game.

Coach calls a timeout, nothing changes, lead builds for Eastern, calls another timeout, nothing changes. Rinse and Repeat. We've seen this before.

Mason Thompson looks good....on the positive side.

I like the way Mason finishes on his drives. Separately, Peter Hartrick was the other effective player last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2021, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 02, 2021, 06:45:20 AM

Ronk:
Coach Schiebles moving on to Dartmouth...that happened back in April.
Remember...she also took Meredeth with her from Williams as a "volunteer" coach for this year until something permanent opens up?
Great game last night as Bates hung on to give Bowdoin their first loss & at Bowdoin.

Yes, I forgot that we already had this discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2021, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 01, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2021, 09:36:31 PM
I didn't watch the game but Eastern? We talkin Eastern (as an ode to Allen Iverson)? Not Tufts, not Swarthmore. We talkin...........Eastern?

Ronk, what the sam he*# is going on up in Scranton?

Looked to me like they weren't ready for a physical game.

I've never known Eastern to be a particularly physical team having watched them over the years up in Doylestown when they were in the MAC Freedom. Maybe this year is different.

It surprised me even more so as Eastern was picked dead last in the nine team MAC Commonwealth. Maybe it was just a hiccup by Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2021, 10:35:12 AM
 From the interesting but unimportant department: Scranton's Jack Brockett had a Reggie Miller vs the Knicks(google youtube for the replay) moment in the conclusion of the Catholic game yesterday - in the last 6 secs of clock time, Jack scored 9 pts(3 FTs after being fouled shooting a 3-pter, making a 3-pter after 2 Catholic FTs, stealing the inbounds pass and making another 3-pter at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
Post 1st conference game (in)action:
Royals - Hartrick providing quality reserve minutes, Thompson looks good(judgment/driving/finishing), McLoughlin with good potential when he adapts to the big body bumping in the paint
Cardinals - Hafemeister is a quality player, T Kelly has the mentality and ability to carry the team in spots, Timby and Martin are good guards. Guessing Coach Kelly will be recruiting post players for next season
Still think it's a 4 team race for the playoff spots(Catholic, Scranton, Drew, Susquehanna) with Drew having a slight edge when Malachi Walker returns for the remainder of the conference schedule
Dominic Dunn(Sus) with 30 pts yesterday, showing his form from 2 years ago before being injured
Former Sus guard Bryce Butler now playing as a grad @ Hood
Interesting games this week: Sus hosting Swarthmore(Wed); Scr @ PS-Hbg(Sat)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on December 06, 2021, 12:16:33 PM
Another former Landmark / Susquehanna guard playing well ... Matt LaCorte doing a great job with Stevens as a grad student
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2021, 08:41:32 PM

Hmmmm.
No votes for the Royals for about the 10th. straight year.
Underestimate the Wizard of the Long Center at your own peril.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2021, 09:09:45 AM
Scranton-F&M tonight. Two legendary programs probably have the most D3 wins in the Mid Atlantic between them.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2021, 09:09:45 AM
Scranton-F&M tonight. Two legendary programs probably have the most D3 wins in the Mid Atlantic between them.

A combined 2958 wins coming into this season.  Albright is third (if we're not counting Western PA).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2021, 03:36:23 PM
 S/O to Mason Thompson for getting the offensive rebound in the closing secs of regulation of the F&M game and finding Stephen Braunstein in the corner for the 3-pter to send it into OT. Frequently, the will to win is a significant factor in determining outcomes. Hopefully, Mason's injury won't keep him out too long.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2021, 06:59:47 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 09, 2021, 03:36:23 PM
S/O to Mason Thompson for getting the offensive rebound in the closing secs of regulation of the F&M game and finding Stephen Braunstein in the corner for the 3-pter to send it into OT. Frequently, the will to win is a significant factor in determining outcomes. Hopefully, Mason's injury won't keep him out too long.

Had an off shooting night, but that made up for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2021, 07:59:01 PM

I'm watching Moravian play at Delaware tonight.  Obviously the score isn't close, but I'm quite glad I came.  This Moravian team is really, really young and there's a lot of potential there - good length, confidence, and shooting.  It's a team I probably wouldn't have otherwise gotten to see this year and one to keep an eye on down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2021, 08:32:56 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?

I got nothing for ya.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?


You guys all seem to simultaneously know the answer and not want to hear the answer and I'm not sure what to do anymore.  Just leave the questions hanging out there?  Is it cathartic to just rant a bit?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?


You guys all seem to simultaneously know the answer and not want to hear the answer and I'm not sure what to do anymore.  Just leave the questions hanging out there?  Is it cathartic to just rant a bit?

Sorry, what is the answer?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?


You guys all seem to simultaneously know the answer and not want to hear the answer and I'm not sure what to do anymore.  Just leave the questions hanging out there?  Is it cathartic to just rant a bit?

Sorry, what is the answer?

The D3 landscape is a lot different than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.  The context is quite different and the competition is much tougher and deeper.

What kind of money is the school allocating to the program?  What support does athletics have from administration?  How many hours are coaches busy with non-basketball duties during the course of the year - or even in season?  What's the recruiting budget?  What's the average financial aid package compared to similar schools?

I'm not saying your coach can't do better - I don't know enough about Scranton to have any opinion on that whatsoever - but I do know enough about the landscape to know there's not an equivalent comparison to be made across decades.

There were a lot more ways to game the system, a lot more loopholes, fewer regulations, lax enforcement, less competition, more difficulty finding players, more leeway with financial aid, and any number of other differences in the 80s and 90s that really made D3 basketball coaching an entirely different world.

Maybe there's another coach out there who could do a better job - but could you land them with what's offered (I don't know, but its certainly not a given anywhere) - and even if you could, it's very, very, very unlikely they're going to live up to comparisons to Bessoir.  There's not too many programs anywhere in the country right now who could.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2021, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
21 years of this same B.S.How the hell did he last?This program went from a powerhouse with Cosch Bessior to an under 500 team with this guy.How long before the program is back ?


You guys all seem to simultaneously know the answer and not want to hear the answer and I'm not sure what to do anymore.  Just leave the questions hanging out there?  Is it cathartic to just rant a bit?

Sorry, what is the answer?

The D3 landscape is a lot different than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.  The context is quite different and the competition is much tougher and deeper.

What kind of money is the school allocating to the program?  What support does athletics have from administration?  How many hours are coaches busy with non-basketball duties during the course of the year - or even in season?  What's the recruiting budget?  What's the average financial aid package compared to similar schools?

I'm not saying your coach can't do better - I don't know enough about Scranton to have any opinion on that whatsoever - but I do know enough about the landscape to know there's not an equivalent comparison to be made across decades.

There were a lot more ways to game the system, a lot more loopholes, fewer regulations, lax enforcement, less competition, more difficulty finding players, more leeway with financial aid, and any number of other differences in the 80s and 90s that really made D3 basketball coaching an entirely different world.

Maybe there's another coach out there who could do a better job - but could you land them with what's offered (I don't know, but its certainly not a given anywhere) - and even if you could, it's very, very, very unlikely they're going to live up to comparisons to Bessoir.  There's not too many programs anywhere in the country right now who could.

You make a number of pertinent points. I favor the increased competition factor - Scranton's recruiting coach  finds the prospects but the surrounding state tuitions(SUNY, NJAC, and PSAC) are too much competition for a private school to land them as enrollees.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on December 13, 2021, 03:30:44 PM
Agreed. I would like to see the university invest more into athletics given the value it can bring from a student engagement and brand marketing platform. Also, a larger focus on athletics can help with academics, given the schools growing PT program - as well as the strong media department that can focus on broadcast and journalism. Ultimately, I'd love to see the school reclassify to D1 - but I know that's a pipe dream, so being the best D3 program possible is the next best thing - hopefully the new leadership can help with that - it's about investing - and investing in the right people.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2021, 08:51:30 PM
 Great day to be a Royal tweeted by Scranton Basketball; start the search algorithms!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2021, 06:20:47 AM

Is that because there is going to be a retirement announcement?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2021, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 14, 2021, 06:20:47 AM

Is that because there is going to be a retirement announcement?  ;D

With that response, you've passed the senility checkup requirement.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
The code breakers were up all night, searching all corners of social media. Nothing Substantial to Report.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 14, 2021, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
The code breakers were up all night, searching all corners of social media. Nothing Substantial to Report.

I checked the ones that it seemed like Scranton was actively recruiting as well as some who were trying to get recruited, but I, too, came up empty.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 14, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
Think this team has more problems then putting up( its great day to be a Royal!)Sitting at 4-5 could have easily been 3-6 after that F&M game.I understand trying to find out about recruits coming in next year is okay but having a sub 500 team is not fun at all!Martin needs to figure out this is not Misericordia!Like (Gordan Mann said about the Scranton fans)said there fans expect a National title every year(Well on the guys side 21 years of one and done runs(Ncaa tournament) are no longer welcomed!Time to write the ship Martin
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2021, 11:28:26 PM
Looks like it's Nick Colucci 6-2 G Haverford(PA)

From Twitter
Nick Colucci
@NickColucci9
· 1h
Very excited to announce my commitment to play basketball at Scranton University. Thank you to my family, friends, and coaches who believed in and guided me along the way. Go Royals! @ScrantonBball

junior year hilites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5lOdUWdg-Q

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2021, 08:34:05 AM
Good work Ronk. Another tweet yesterday indicating another commit.

I heard it might be the fourth long lost Danzig brother.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2021, 12:50:08 PM

Little Danny's been found???
Why it's a Christmas miracle for all of Royaland.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2021, 11:06:11 AM
From Goucher to Duke....seems like a fair swap..


https://twitter.com/LoyolaMBB/status/1471510482108358665?s=20


MAJOR SCHEDULE CHANGE

@LoyolaHounds
MBB will play at
@DukeMBB
SATURDAY at 4 p.m. in Cameron Indoor Stadium on the
@accnetwork
.

The Greyhounds' Tuesday night home game against
@Goucher_MBB
has been canceled.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on December 16, 2021, 04:30:28 PM
speaking of D1 ball...

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1471571689720930308

Each division shall determine whether to allow an institution to classify a sport in a division other than the division in which it holds membership and the division shall determine the process for reclassification, and the privileges, conditions and obligations of multi-division classification.

more info: http://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/governance/ncaa/constitution/NCAAGov_Constitution121421.pdf

Maybe our Royals could become an affiliate member of the NEC or MAAC  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2021, 05:40:07 PM

I'd rather see the Royals stay D3 & in the Landmark as opposed to ever going D1 & being stuck in either of those dead end conferences.
The ACC or nothing!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on December 16, 2021, 04:30:28 PM
speaking of D1 ball...

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1471571689720930308

Each division shall determine whether to allow an institution to classify a sport in a division other than the division in which it holds membership and the division shall determine the process for reclassification, and the privileges, conditions and obligations of multi-division classification.

more info: http://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/governance/ncaa/constitution/NCAAGov_Constitution121421.pdf

Maybe our Royals could become an affiliate member of the NEC or MAAC  ;D

D3 makes the rules about having teams in other divisions and there's no chance they're going to allow it.  The D1 teams that exist were all grandfathered in.  Nobody else is going to get a chance to do it.  It's all or nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
 Latest pool C data has the Royals with the highest strength of schedule(SOS) ranking in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic areas(regions 1-5); their 5 losses are to teams with 2 losses(Catholic,Eastern), 1 loss(Swarthmore,PSU-HBG), and undefeated DeSales. It should decline with the remaining nonconference opponents(Cabrini,Kings,Cortland).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 08:11:43 AM
Gameday! 2pm at the Long Center, kids are all home after finals and it is in the middle of the day, what better time for a game!  ;D

Cabrini makes the trip up for an afternoon matinee...at lease everyone will be socially distanced
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 07:56:59 PM
Congrats to Ryan on the coaching win today. Don't believe it is his first as head coach, I think last year or the year before he stepped in for Carl.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 07:56:59 PM
Congrats to Ryan on the coaching win today. Don't believe it is his first as head coach, I think last year or the year before he stepped in for Carl.

I saw that Carl wasn't on the sidelines but wasn't in a position to have the sound on this afternoon.  Did Dean and Harry talk about his absence?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 07:56:59 PM
Congrats to Ryan on the coaching win today. Don't believe it is his first as head coach, I think last year or the year before he stepped in for Carl.



I saw that Carl wasn't on the sidelines but wasn't in a position to have the sound on this afternoon.  Did Dean and Harry talk about his absence?

Carl missed a game @ Moravian; Ryan might have won that game.

Dean said during the  game that Carl tested positive this morning and Ryan negative.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2021, 11:07:16 PM
 Just watched the Royals' OT victory on demand after getting home too late from knee replacement surgery to watch it live. They catch a break in OT when Cabrini is called for a blocking foul when it could have been an offensive foul on Jackson. The Royals then built up an insurmountable lead for the remainder of the OT.
  Did disagree with Coach Ryan's end of OT strategy to inbound the ball to Tahaj(50% FT shooter). When the defense is going to foul, get it to your best shooters(Braunstein,Danzig,Ems).
  Happy to see Lambert hit the big3; hard to believe he could score 2300 pts in hi school yet struggle previously this season, On the other side of the ball, he played very good defense in his extended time today.
  Mason continues as a strong finisher and Hartrick with quality minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2021, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 20, 2021, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 07:56:59 PM
Congrats to Ryan on the coaching win today. Don't believe it is his first as head coach, I think last year or the year before he stepped in for Carl.



I saw that Carl wasn't on the sidelines but wasn't in a position to have the sound on this afternoon.  Did Dean and Harry talk about his absence?

Carl missed a game @ Moravian; Ryan might have won that game.

Dean said during the  game that Carl tested positive this morning and Ryan negative.

Yeah Harry also brought up Carl being "Wally Pipped", joking of course. But somewhere Saratoga was smiling when he heard that while wrapping those  Christmas presents.

Royals also may have gotten a break on a made 3 pointer in OT, Cabrini was claiming it hit a wire near the hoop...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2021, 06:49:59 AM

NEPA:
In all seriousness, I know two people that had Covid & from their descriptions of what that was like, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
On the other hand...retirement can be a joyous time.
In fact, I seriously recommend it for some people.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 22, 2021, 10:43:19 AM
I hope that Carl is recovering well! 

Has anyone learned anything more about the second Royals commit last week?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on December 22, 2021, 10:43:19 AM
I hope that Carl is recovering well! 

Has anyone learned anything more about the second Royals commit last week?

Was there another announcement after Colucci on the 14th? If so, I missed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 22, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 22, 2021, 11:32:30 AM

Was there another announcement after Colucci on the 14th? If so, I missed it.

There were two announcements on twitter:  one on the 13th and one on the 14th (which would be around the time that the Early Action Admissions decisions go out so it makes sense if they're close together). 

I hope you're recovering well, Ronk!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2021, 12:23:38 PM
 Thanks for the well wishes from everyone. Should be driving by the Goucher game in 3 1/2 weeks when i can check in with the coaches about recruiting, player parents, and Dave McHugh.
According to Gabriel on the Centennial board, Susquehanna had an impressive win over Ursinus last nite. Dominic Dunn was a star in the making 2 years ago before an injury late in the season and missing last year for covid.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2021, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 22, 2021, 12:23:38 PM
Thanks for the well wishes from everyone. Should be driving by the Goucher game in 3 1/2 weeks when i can check in with the coaches about recruiting, player parents, and Dave McHugh.
According to Gabriel on the Centennial board, Susquehanna had an impressive win over Ursinus last nite. Dominic Dunn was a star in the making 2 years ago before an injury late in the season and missing last year for covid.

Hope Scranton is ready for that Susquehanna press.

Yes, 2nd commit to Royal-land is out there , haven't been able to figure out who it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2021, 06:17:53 PM

Danzig could have a D1 Top 20 roster & Frankie would still beat him.
He'd have a kid named Valentino Valentine drop 65 on the Royals.
In all his years coaching, he's rarely ever been able to bring in a true point beside Randy Arnold & thus, the mystery to the RiverHawk press will not be unlocked again this year.
The excitement that started out so promising four years ago with names like Mancuso, Bailey, DiVerna, Danzig etc. etc. has just melted away like a snowman in April.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2021, 08:31:21 PM
Looks like Drew is going to knock off Desales. Watching Yeshiva Il Wesleyan on 325-1 Direct TV.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 31, 2021, 10:37:23 AM
The Kings game has been postponed.

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20211231ftucmv
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 31, 2021, 05:14:10 PM

Kind of odd that the King's women were able to play at home today but the men couldn't?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 05, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
Nice write-up on Scranton commit Nick Colucci this morning:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1201504
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2022, 09:09:06 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 05, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
Nice write-up on Scranton commit Nick Colucci this morning:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1201504

Beat me to it. Glad to hear Coach Danzig is feeling better.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2022, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 31, 2021, 05:14:10 PM

Kind of odd that the King's women were able to play at home today but the men couldn't?

Assume they have a case, they had to Forfeit their league game, according to their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2022, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 05, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
Nice write-up on Scranton commit Nick Colucci this morning:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1201504

With the Scranton coaching staff looking on last nite at Colucci's game, they feel it's important to show continued interest in a recruit, even after receiving a commitment. I've seen this many times when evaluating girl prospects - assistants watching committed prospects to lessen the chances that the recruit will change her mind to another school for perceived lack of interest.
By doing so, Scranton did pass on the opportunity to scout its opponent tomorrow(Cortland) in person(also Tuesday nite) but guessing they can scout well enough from a video replay. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2022, 07:43:14 PM

I can just hear Carl Danzig in his best Alan Iverson voice responding to Ronk about missing the opportunity to 'scout' their next opponent.

Scout?
Scout?
We talking about scouting?
Not a game.
Not a game.
Not a game.
We talking about scouting.
Not a game.
We talkin about scouting, man.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2022, 09:11:01 AM
Ronk:

Wondering if they were killing two birds with one stone, maybe they are recruiting his teammates or some of his opponents...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2022, 09:15:18 AM
 Possibly.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2022, 09:23:51 AM
Either that or securing a transfer from St. Joes or Villanova....;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2022, 11:58:46 AM
Men's game cancelled for Saturday. Women still on.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
 I think Juniata men had a game with Carnegie-Mellon last nite that was canceled for covid.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
 Juniata men's game has been rescheduled for 1/17 7 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2022, 06:40:10 PM

Nothing like a 4 hour trip on a Monday afternoon.
Play a game at 7:00 & then back on 81 S. to 80W. for the return 4 hour trip.
They should be pulling in to their gym in Huntingdon around 2:00am.
The resilience of youth.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 06, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
On top of that snow coming!Why not have this game on a Saturday -%let the kids stay over and enjoy it ?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
 All the remaining Saturdays are already taken with conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2022, 09:52:55 PM
 Wow! Only 1 turnover for the Royals. Looks like it was Hartrick and Graffam in the warmups unis that weren't available to play. Fr WBB players Morgan and Ashlyn did an excellent job with the videostream camera.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2022, 06:12:02 AM

That was probably the most complete game by a Royals team against a decent team in at least the past 10 years.
The inside/out game was firing all night, some pretty good defense, rebounding, assists & more dunks than a Globetrotters game.
If Danzig & crew can bottle this one for future use, they may be on to something.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 07, 2022, 07:34:33 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 07, 2022, 06:12:02 AM

That was probably the most complete game by a Royals team against a decent team in at least the past 10 years.
The inside/out game was firing all night, some pretty good defense, rebounding, assists & more dunks than a Globetrotters game.
If Danzig & crew can bottle this one for future use, they may be on to something.

It appears that Saratoga's account has been hacked.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
1 Turnover has to be a program record. Let's add that to the research to do list in addition to the missing 2022 commitment.


Nice alley hoop off the backboard with about a minute left to McLoughlin. The Royals broadcast didn't love it, but between that and Jackson being extra fired up it felt like the old Rock N Roll Royals and a glimpse of what we saw a few years ago with Bosland, Bailey, Brocket, Mancuso.


I guess with the royals cancelled this weekend, I'll be watching Susquehanna-Catholic at 2pm on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 07, 2022, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 07, 2022, 07:34:33 AM

It appears that Saratoga's account has been hacked.

Granted we're only 7 days in to 2022, but that's gotta be the comment of the year!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2022, 09:17:09 AM
 Or else concussion protocol is indicated.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2022, 11:24:29 AM
 ;D Just calling them as I see them.

Good news is the double vision, headaches & amnesia should be subsiding within the next 7-10 days.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 03:37:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1479510010392727553?s=20


More of this please.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2022, 03:44:18 PM
 With the resumption of conference play tomorrow, it still looks like a tossup among Catholic, Susque, Drew, and Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2022, 10:14:42 PM
 With the conference basketball play reuming tomorrow, Landmark tweeted today spectator limitations for indoor sports:
  Goucher - no spectators til 1/29  so I won't be attending next Saturday's Royals games there; tough blow for WBB FR Ashlyn
                  since her family is close by and she likely will have considerable playing time that game
  Catholic - no spectators til 1/15   happy that I got this one in before they recently changed to this restriction

  Remainder of institutions - mask required while indoors
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 08, 2022, 02:07:06 PM
The Royals have lost a great one from the 1976 Rock and Roll Royals.Like they said he put the gas-gas-gas into the Rock and Roll Royals.Thoughts and prayers to Phil Johnson and family and friends!Fly High
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Does your message mean that it was Irvin Johnson?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2022, 05:16:07 PM

It was Phil that passed away after a several year battle with cancer.
What unbelievable memories from that group of players.
Just 3 years ago when the Lady Royals defeated Tufts to go to the Final Four, Phil was in the house taking pictures with the Lady Royals & anyone who wanted one.
RIP Phil.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2022, 05:35:26 PM
 I'd see Phil the last few years @ the Scranton games @ Catholic and Goucher. He never mentioned battling cancer. Phil was an enthusiastic rooter for both basketball teams; I especially remember him at he Lady Royals' Landmark championship @ Catholic a few years ago.
My Scranton classmate, the late Frank Murphy, was Phil and Irvin's guidance counselor @ Douglass High School, MD and he guided them to Scranton. Frank did the same when he moved on to Bladensburg High School and guided Bryant Thornwell to join the Johnsons @ Scranton.
   That 1st Royals championship team had starters from only 2 high schools, the Johnsons from Douglass and 3(Paul Miernicki, Joe Conley, Jack Maher) from Holy Ghost Prep in Philly. Maher became a professor in the business school @ Virginia Tech and my son took a class from him there.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2022, 06:41:30 PM
was he still local to the area?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2022, 06:50:54 PM
 As of a couple of years ago(prepandemic), he was in the MD suburbs of DC.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2022, 11:36:13 AM
 New Scranton indoor athletic attendance policy effective tomorrow: proof of vaccination, photo id and masking required.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 06:51:10 PM
Lucky if they get 50 people at the gym during a game ,add this to the mix and you will see an empty gym!!(Land of the free) No more!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2022, 07:38:49 PM

Well, at least those 50 people probably won't be getting each other so sick they'll end up dying.
Land of the free...no more?
Does that mean you have the right to smoke on an airplane?
Drive without a seat belt?
Not use car seats for children?
Not show ID to board a plane?
These are all laws enacted to protect the public from the personal wants of the few.
Since when does the Constitution protect the rights of fans opting to attend a basketball game at a private university?
If you want to the kids to keep playing, then keep them safe & follow the rules.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Saratoga you can still get it with being vacinated.You can throw everything at a virus like the flu or swine flu it will take its course like everything else in life.That should be between you and your Dr not anyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 10:11:15 PM
It is know one's business what someone does with their life bottom line.Vaccinated or unvaccinated.Hopefully you go to the Games and show them your ID and your vaccination card .I'm far away
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 10:39:00 PM
Saratoga not sure might be a Hippa problem also for them!Like I said I don't go to the games to far away I'm in  California !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
According to the Supreme Court of PA didnt they throughout the mask mandate that your Governor put in place because he thought he was a King!So it was not law
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2022, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Saratoga you can still get it with being vacinated.You can throw everything at a virus like the flu or swine flu it will take its course like everything else in life.That should be between you and your Dr not anyone else.

Stay home, then.  If I'm in public, the amount of contagious diseases I'm carrying around is definitely other people's business.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2022, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 10:39:00 PM
Saratoga not sure might be a Hippa problem also for them!Like I said I don't go to the games to far away I'm in  California !!!

Have u gone Hollywood on us?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 12, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
Not sure what that means???I've lived in Palo Alto for 15 years not close to Hollywood.So I don't quite get the question?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2022, 10:49:01 PM
Best stat tonight for Royals, 6 TOs. That makes 7 in two games
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2022, 11:34:50 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 12, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
Not sure what that means???I've lived in Palo Alto for 15 years not close to Hollywood.So I don't quite get the question?

The movie scene, sunglasses, Santa Monica beach, shorts, etc. as opposed to the cold and snow of Scranton; didn't know u had spent so much time in Palo Alto.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 12, 2022, 11:45:25 PM
Most be talking about someone else.Like I said I. new to this board!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 13, 2022, 08:39:12 AM
Was nice to see a Royals squad that could break the Susq press. It has given them nightmares in the past, and they looked well prepared for it. The execution was impressive. Team seems to be coming together, and as I said early in the season, they are quite athletic. They weathered every run the River Hawks made at them, something you might not see in previous seasons. Still get nervous watching them try and run with a team, but the athleticism allows them to do that. Overall, nice win over a solid team.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 13, 2022, 08:39:12 AM
Was nice to see a Royals squad that could break the Susq press. It has given them nightmares in the past, and they looked well prepared for it. The execution was impressive. Team seems to be coming together, and as I said early in the season, they are quite athletic. They weathered every run the River Hawks made at them, something you might not see in previous seasons. Still get nervous watching them try and run with a team, but the athleticism allows them to do that. Overall, nice win over a solid team.

What do you think the difference was? I see Parland had 7 asst/0 turnovers.

More Good News:

Ben Bosland was dressed. Has to feel good for Ben.
Will McLoughlin 20pts, 7rbs, 2 ast, 2 blocks
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 13, 2022, 10:34:20 AM
Another bright note ... The new game attendance policies did not seem to diminish the crowd size for Scranton.  178 in attendance.  More than 3x the predicted amount.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 13, 2022, 10:37:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 13, 2022, 08:39:12 AM
Was nice to see a Royals squad that could break the Susq press. It has given them nightmares in the past, and they looked well prepared for it. The execution was impressive. Team seems to be coming together, and as I said early in the season, they are quite athletic. They weathered every run the River Hawks made at them, something you might not see in previous seasons. Still get nervous watching them try and run with a team, but the athleticism allows them to do that. Overall, nice win over a solid team.

What do you think the difference was? I see Parland had 7 asst/0 turnovers.

More Good News:

Ben Bosland was dressed. Has to feel good for Ben.
Will McLoughlin 20pts, 7rbs, 2 ast, 2 blocks

I think the difference in the simplest sense is again the athleticism, team coming together, and a good mix of veterans and young guys. The bench is showing nice depth.

Parland is fun to watch. He brings the court up, and I liked how he broke the press. He remains calm, scans court. Didn't run into a press. Also not afraid to go in the paint, and love watching him take the ball along the baseline.

McLoughlin looks like a kid we are going to talk about for the next four years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2022, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 13, 2022, 08:39:12 AM
Was nice to see a Royals squad that could break the Susq press. It has given them nightmares in the past, and they looked well prepared for it. The execution was impressive. Team seems to be coming together, and as I said early in the season, they are quite athletic. They weathered every run the River Hawks made at them, something you might not see in previous seasons. Still get nervous watching them try and run with a team, but the athleticism allows them to do that. Overall, nice win over a solid team.

What do you think the difference was? I see Parland had 7 asst/0 turnovers.

More Good News:

Ben Bosland was dressed. Has to feel good for Ben.
Will McLoughlin 20pts, 7rbs, 2 ast, 2 blocks

Didn't notice but I was distracted by watching the Lady Royals at the same time. Goes with what Ben told me at the Catholic game last month - that he was hoping to play before the end of the season. He should be able to get some playing time in the next 2 weeks before the Royals reach the tough part of the conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 13, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
Fun fact on McLoughlin for the Scranton fans ... his father was a former all conference player and athletics hall of famer for Susquehanna.  Actually played under Marcinek. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2022, 01:24:09 PM
 Don't remember his father playing for Susque but impressive that Scranton was able to recruit him successfully in light of his dad's success @ Susque.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2022, 01:29:10 PM
https://suriverhawks.com/news/2019/10/27/baseball-hall-of-fame-class-of-2019-inducted-over-homecoming-weekend.aspx?path=baseball


Don McLoughlin '90
McLoughlin was a center for the Susquehanna men's basketball team. The Old Bridge, N.J., native helped lead the team to back-to-back Middle Atlantic Conference Northwest section titles as a junior and senior. He averaged a team-best 7.9 rebounds and third-best 13.3 points in his final season, landing him on the MAC All-Star First Team. McLoughlin ended his career as a 1,000-point scorer with 1,121 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 14, 2022, 02:16:27 PM
After impressive performances last two games, I took a look at the schools the Royals lost to. Combined, they are 56-8. Swarth is 13-1, DSU 13-1, Eastern 11-2, Cath 8-3, and PSU - HB 11-1. So a Scranton team that appears to be getting better has the toughest schedule behind them. I know many on here complain about the non-conf schedule, but looking at the losses, it seems better than many expected. The knock could be good teams find a way to win a few of those games. I do suspect Scranton is better than 7-5. Excited to see what lies ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2022, 03:23:00 PM
 Yes, a few weeks ago, Scranton had the highest SOS among regions 1-5(NE,E, and Mid-Atlantic). My complaint on scheduling involves their tipoff tourney where they could specifically invite strong programs; only Swarthmore this year and York a few years ago satisfied that objective.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 14, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
Yep, I remember reading that. Does SOS help come tournament time though if you don't beat any of those teams?

I agree on the early season tournament. I am fine with the Friday night game being a cakewalk, but like this year, you should have good teams coming in. It was a fun early season game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2022, 03:37:07 PM
https://twitter.com/FFTMAG/status/1481983943599661056?s=20


This seems to tell the story as well, Scranton is 4th in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 14, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
Yep, I remember reading that. Does SOS help come tournament time though if you don't beat any of those teams?

I agree on the early season tournament. I am fine with the Friday night game being a cakewalk, but like this year, you should have good teams coming in. It was a fun early season game to watch.

It's a differentiating criteria for comparing pool C candidates and for hosting consideration, also.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2022, 01:24:52 PM
 1st chalk change(losing on your home court to a contender or any loss to a noncontender) yesterday with Drew winning @ Catholic. Only game this week between contenders is Wed Susque-Drew.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2022, 03:17:00 PM
 Game tomorrow w Juniata postponed to Feb 7 because of storm.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2022, 09:23:24 AM
Dave,

Can you fill in the board on the issue with the ball during the first four minutes of the game at Goucher this weekend?

Also heard you were on with Dean Corwin is that true? Any good discussion?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
KCHOOPSFAN, your inbox is full my friend!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 18, 2022, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2022, 09:23:24 AM
Dave,

Can you fill in the board on the issue with the ball during the first four minutes of the game at Goucher this weekend?

Also heard you were on with Dean Corwin is that true? Any good discussion?

They mentioned that it was a women's ball, and had no idea how it got out there. Players shortly realized.

They spoke about the conference, and depth of teams and their benches, as well as teams looking different nearly every time out due to injuries and COVID related issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2022, 11:29:52 PM
Today's items:
Jackson Danzig becomes the 5th member of the Danzig family to hit 1000 points in their college career - grandfather Hal @ Bucknell, father/coach Carl @ Baker, and brothers Ross, Ethan, and Jackson @ Scranton. Congrats!
  Susque picks up a chalk point by winning @ Drew
  Juniata falls a point short of giving a negative chalk point @ Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20


Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

Agreed!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

I think the dreamers would see more engagement of athletics, big crowds, more money into the programs, etc. I know you could see that in D3, but we haven't really (save for the Quinn Athletics Complex) to this point. I do think it is truly a dream, the administration has said the want to be more like the NESAC schools than the MAAC schools.



Have also really enjoyed Harry and Dean this year (19 years) and am grateful we have this level of play-by-play and analysis for the broadcasts.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on January 21, 2022, 09:52:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

I think the dreamers would see more engagement of athletics, big crowds, more money into the programs, etc. I know you could see that in D3, but we haven't really (save for the Quinn Athletics Complex) to this point. I do think it is truly a dream, the administration has said the want to be more like the NESAC schools than the MAAC schools.



Have also really enjoyed Harry and Dean this year (19 years) and am grateful we have this level of play-by-play and analysis for the broadcasts.

Agreed. I think it is fair to want more growth and visibility around the university, and a move to D1 could help accomplish that. Then there's the Scranton factor - not a ton going on in the city, perhaps with a good enough team in a few years, more locals will come out to support - I saw it in Richmond for years. Truth be told, this move should've been made in the mid 80's and maybe now the Steamtown Mall would be a state of the art athletics center + arena.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2022, 10:18:02 AM
It's just whether the growth and visibility is worth the $6-8m extra you'll be putting into athletics every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 21, 2022, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20



I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

I think the dreamers would see more engagement of athletics, big crowds, more money into the programs, etc. I know you could see that in D3, but we haven't really (save for the Quinn Athletics Complex) to this point. I do think it is truly a dream, the administration has said the want to be more like the NESAC schools than the MAAC schools.



Have also really enjoyed Harry and Dean this year (19 years) and am grateful we have this level of play-by-play and analysis for the broadcasts.

We are spoiled with Dean on the call, and what Dr. D adds to the game as well. If you don't think so, tune in to another D3 game, and hear the difference.

As for the comparing what the administration may want, and your point on wanting to be like a NESCAC school, I don't care what division you are in, I-III, or conference you are affiliated with. Nearly all NCAA member schools I would assume would love to be compared to a NESCAC school. Each is a fine institution, and they have a very competitive conference. One of the tops of D3. I want Scranton to want to be like a NESCAC school both academically and athletically over MAAC D1 schools. No knock on any of those schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2022, 04:30:56 PM

Absolutely agree.
I'll take playing NESCAC, UAA or, Centennial teams any day of the week over, Iona, Niagara, LIU, Sienna, Rider, Monmouth etc. etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on January 22, 2022, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 21, 2022, 04:30:56 PM

Absolutely agree.
I'll take playing NESCAC, UAA or, Centennial teams any day of the week over, Iona, Niagara, LIU, Sienna, Rider, Monmouth etc. etc.

If Scranton commits to better marketing of athletics and invests in student engagement and the game atmosphere - while continuing to improve academics and moves to the UAA or NESCAC, that obviously is better than losing to Iona in front of 200 people. I'll take the former in a heartbeat - school is about academics after all - but we all want more relevancy and success for our Scranton
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 08:24:56 PM
 Much harder victory for the Royals than it needed to be over Etown, especially with the 5 direct pass/turnovers to the Blue Jays.
  @ halftime, Dean Corwin had a pre-recorded interview w Jackson Danzig about joining the 1000 point club. At the end of   the interview, Dean asked his future plans and Jackson said he was in a 5-year program, then possibly Europe. So it looks like he'll be back for another year of Scranton ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2022, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2022, 08:24:56 PM
Much harder victory for the Royals than it needed to be over Etown, especially with the 5 direct pass/turnovers to the Blue Jays.
  @ halftime, Dean Corwin had a pre-recorded interview w Jackson Danzig about joining the 1000 point club. At the end of   the interview, Dean asked his future plans and Jackson said he was in a 5-year program, then possibly Europe. So it looks like he'll be back for another year of Scranton ball.


Thanks for the update. Re: Harry Dammer retiring, when do they rename the press box in his honor? Also when do we see him start posting on this board?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2022, 04:04:07 PM
Where are they now ?


Brian M. is averaging around 12 points at WP, this year. Thought I would provide an update from earlier this season.

Logan Bailey in England...http://www.daveowenbasketball.co.uk/player/?id=PLA3624

Is Matt Mancuso playing overseas?

Also feel like I a missing someone...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 26, 2022, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on January 22, 2022, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 21, 2022, 04:30:56 PM

Absolutely agree.
I'll take playing NESCAC, UAA or, Centennial teams any day of the week over, Iona, Niagara, LIU, Sienna, Rider, Monmouth etc. etc.

If Scranton commits to better marketing of athletics and invests in student engagement and the game atmosphere - while continuing to improve academics and moves to the UAA or NESCAC, that obviously is better than losing to Iona in front of 200 people. I'll take the former in a heartbeat - school is about academics after all - but we all want more relevancy and success for our Scranton

I fail to understand where the thought of moving conferences comes in. Has anyone heard that since the move to the Landmark? Academically, Scranton is competitive with each institution in the conference.

Joining the UAA or NESCAC, especially the UAA would be a tremendous travel budget alone. Furthermore, would either conference welcome a new member? I doubt it. Be happy in a solid conference in the Landmark. It is not like they are winning the conference every year, NCAA, and making a run. It has been 5 seasons since even an NCAA birth.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 06:16:46 PM

No, I have not heard any such talk & I think the Landmark is a fine fit for the Royals.
I wasn't advocating a move to any other conference, just that beyond the 14 conference games that are mandatory, I'd rather see both the men & women play teams of those conferences as opposed to Kings, Wilkes, Neumann, Eastern etc.etc.
Mix in Trinity, Conn. College, Hamilton, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Haverford, Rochester & NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 28, 2022, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 06:16:46 PM

No, I have not heard any such talk & I think the Landmark is a fine fit for the Royals.
I wasn't advocating a move to any other conference, just that beyond the 14 conference games that are mandatory, I'd rather see both the men & women play teams of those conferences as opposed to Kings, Wilkes, Neumann, Eastern etc.etc.
Mix in Trinity, Conn. College, Hamilton, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Haverford, Rochester & NYU.

I could not agree with you more. I have railed against the Kings and Wilkes games on here before. That rivalry is gone and dead, leaving the day we left the MAC. We left the MAC for a reason, so I would be just as fine not playing a handful of MAC teams yearly. I understand why they do, as non-conference games are largely regional in DIII. I do wonder how many of those schools you mention would be interested in putting Scranton on their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2022, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 28, 2022, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 06:16:46 PM

No, I have not heard any such talk & I think the Landmark is a fine fit for the Royals.
I wasn't advocating a move to any other conference, just that beyond the 14 conference games that are mandatory, I'd rather see both the men & women play teams of those conferences as opposed to Kings, Wilkes, Neumann, Eastern etc.etc.
Mix in Trinity, Conn. College, Hamilton, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Haverford, Rochester & NYU.

I could not agree with you more. I have railed against the Kings and Wilkes games on here before. That rivalry is gone and dead, leaving the day we left the MAC. We left the MAC for a reason, so I would be just as fine not playing a handful of MAC teams yearly. I understand why they do, as non-conference games are largely regional in DIII. I do wonder how many of those schools you mention would be interested in putting Scranton on their schedule.

Bess is rolling over in his grave right now as are Royals of Yore. Okay so why don't you tell me what Rivalry we currently have?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 28, 2022, 09:58:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2022, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 28, 2022, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 06:16:46 PM

No, I have not heard any such talk & I think the Landmark is a fine fit for the Royals.
I wasn't advocating a move to any other conference, just that beyond the 14 conference games that are mandatory, I'd rather see both the men & women play teams of those conferences as opposed to Kings, Wilkes, Neumann, Eastern etc.etc.
Mix in Trinity, Conn. College, Hamilton, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Haverford, Rochester & NYU.

I could not agree with you more. I have railed against the Kings and Wilkes games on here before. That rivalry is gone and dead, leaving the day we left the MAC. We left the MAC for a reason, so I would be just as fine not playing a handful of MAC teams yearly. I understand why they do, as non-conference games are largely regional in DIII. I do wonder how many of those schools you mention would be interested in putting Scranton on their schedule.

Bess is rolling over in his grave right now as are Royals of Yore. Okay so why don't you tell me what Rivalry we currently have?

You are correct, but I am just saying what is true. Those rivalries died out. They left with the MAC. They were wonderful battles, especially in years when you would play each other three times. But if you think any kid, in any sport is getting pumped up for a weekday non-conf game with Wilkes or Kings, you are mistaken.

I think the Scranton-Catholic rivalry is there, across all sports. On the basketball side, Scranton-Susq. has a certain feel to it, and I think a lot of it is proximity, both being at or near the top year in year out, as well as dating back to the days of the MAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
The Royals are getting another C.B. West player (Arnold and Loftus were alright:) for '22-'23. Transfer from Millersville. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2022, 02:18:22 PM
?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2022, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
The Royals are getting another C.B. West player (Arnold and Loftus were alright:) for '22-'23. Transfer from Millersville. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:)


Thanks for the scoop. Curious to how you came to this information but grateful for it!

Ronk: He said shhhhhh!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
Just wondering who we should be shhing about.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 28, 2022, 05:53:36 PM
Could this be the mystery second commit from December?  I notice that [NAME REDACTED] is not on Millersville's current roster...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer.  Unless I have the wrong kid, you are talking about a 6'4" tough, physical 2 guard who plays extremely hard and has a definite ability to score the ball, but also dribbles way too much and has a tendency to make questionable shot selections.  Have seen him play several times and he will be a welcome addition, but don't make the mistake of thinking that because someone transfers from a D2 school to a D3 school, they are automatically better than the other players on his new team and you are getting an all-american of some sort. Again, unless I have the wrong kid, he was not nearly as an accomplished high school/aau player as someone like Braunstein or Ems.  Best of luck to him at his new home. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2022, 03:33:47 PM
Ugh
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2022, 04:12:50 PM

Stretch:
Absolutely agree...don't be fooled by the D2 to D3 nonsense.
He was probably in over his head from the start.
Corey certainly has ties to D-town hoops & probably wanted it to work.
If he dribbles too much & takes crazy shots...he's found his home.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer. 

I don't think anyone was proclaiming this kid the Messiah, just that Scranton has gotten some good players out of CB West in the past.

Scranton has also had a range of success with D2 transfers under Danzig with the pinnacle of that being Tom Bicknell, but there was also Mitch Cross who took a couple of years to break into the starting lineup. 

Since he hasn't played in college, who knows what to expect?  I hope it works out well for him and Scranton!

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

I believe that the Ivies, Patriot League and some other schools certainly have the "purity of sport".
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer. 

I don't think anyone was proclaiming this kid the Messiah, just that Scranton has gotten some good players out of CB West in the past.

Scranton has also had a range of success with D2 transfers under Danzig with the pinnacle of that being Tom Bicknell, but there was also Mitch Cross who took a couple of years to break into the starting lineup. 

Since he hasn't played in college, who knows what to expect?  I hope it works out well for him and Scranton!

Tim, thank you! I was just commenting about another C.B.West player heading to Scranton. I mentioned nothing about getting overly excited because he's coming from a very good (this year) D2 program. He might help at Scranton. He might not. It's not the end of the world either way. Scranton wanted him before he went to Millersville and will now be heading there. Somebody at Scranton saw something in him to head to Doylestown a few times and show genuine interest.

On another note, to give it away for our resident internet sleuths................Scranton is all over his sister, who is having a great year for C.B. West. It won't take a degree from a UAA or NESCAC school to put these pieces together. I provided a beach ball and a huge bat:) First one with the name gets a Tufts or Hamilton (not the crappy play.............I preferred Spamilton, a great takedown of the foolishness) hoodie :) !!!

Now, back to our regular programming of switching conferences and being mentioned in the same breath as the University of Chicago, Amherst and M.I.T. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer. 

I don't think anyone was proclaiming this kid the Messiah, just that Scranton has gotten some good players out of CB West in the past.

Scranton has also had a range of success with D2 transfers under Danzig with the pinnacle of that being Tom Bicknell, but there was also Mitch Cross who took a couple of years to break into the starting lineup. 

Since he hasn't played in college, who knows what to expect?  I hope it works out well for him and Scranton!

Tim, thank you! I was just commenting about another C.B.West player heading to Scranton. I mentioned nothing about getting overly excited because he's coming from a very good (this year) D2 program. He might help at Scranton. He might not. It's not the end of the world either way. Scranton wanted him before he went to Millersville and will now be heading there. Somebody at Scranton saw something in him to head to Doylestown a few times and show genuine interest.

On another note, to give it away for our resident internet sleuths................Scranton is all over his sister, who is having a great year for C.B. West. It won't take a degree from a UAA or NESCAC school to put these pieces together. I provided a beach ball and a huge bat:) First one with the name gets a Tufts or Hamilton (not the crappy play.............I preferred Spamilton, a great takedown of the foolishness) hoodie :) !!!

Now, back to our regular programming of switching conferences and being mentioned in the same breath as the University of Chicago, Amherst and M.I.T. :)

I've read that she's already committed to Jefferson.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer. 

I don't think anyone was proclaiming this kid the Messiah, just that Scranton has gotten some good players out of CB West in the past.

Scranton has also had a range of success with D2 transfers under Danzig with the pinnacle of that being Tom Bicknell, but there was also Mitch Cross who took a couple of years to break into the starting lineup. 

Since he hasn't played in college, who knows what to expect?  I hope it works out well for him and Scranton!

Tim, thank you! I was just commenting about another C.B.West player heading to Scranton. I mentioned nothing about getting overly excited because he's coming from a very good (this year) D2 program. He might help at Scranton. He might not. It's not the end of the world either way. Scranton wanted him before he went to Millersville and will now be heading there. Somebody at Scranton saw something in him to head to Doylestown a few times and show genuine interest.

On another note, to give it away for our resident internet sleuths................Scranton is all over his sister, who is having a great year for C.B. West. It won't take a degree from a UAA or NESCAC school to put these pieces together. I provided a beach ball and a huge bat:) First one with the name gets a Tufts or Hamilton (not the crappy play.............I preferred Spamilton, a great takedown of the foolishness) hoodie :) !!!

Now, back to our regular programming of switching conferences and being mentioned in the same breath as the University of Chicago, Amherst and M.I.T. :)

I've read that she's already committed to Jefferson.

Yep.

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1178868
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2022, 10:11:28 AM
 Royals were outplayed by Juniata yesterday who inserted themselves into a 5-way battle for the 4 conference tourney spots for the AQ. I put the emphasis more on Juniata's play than any lacking on the Royals' part. Can't remember allowing 70 points in a game and losing to a team that had no one scoring in double figures. Juniata is midway thru an 11 games in 25 days(normally 8 games in same stretch) stretch due to covid factors. So, with 10 or more players contributing, they would seem to be a squad that could best get thru such a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Agreed...the Juniata bench is their strength.
However, Curley does a remarkable job year in & year out with the talent he has so having him on the sidelines is certainly a plus as well.
And, to frustrate NEPA even more than losing a winnable game, Juniata brought out their pep band!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 30, 2022, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2022, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
In fairness to the young man, I think realistic expectations should be set for the Millersville transfer. 

I don't think anyone was proclaiming this kid the Messiah, just that Scranton has gotten some good players out of CB West in the past.

Scranton has also had a range of success with D2 transfers under Danzig with the pinnacle of that being Tom Bicknell, but there was also Mitch Cross who took a couple of years to break into the starting lineup. 

Since he hasn't played in college, who knows what to expect?  I hope it works out well for him and Scranton!

Tim, thank you! I was just commenting about another C.B.West player heading to Scranton. I mentioned nothing about getting overly excited because he's coming from a very good (this year) D2 program. He might help at Scranton. He might not. It's not the end of the world either way. Scranton wanted him before he went to Millersville and will now be heading there. Somebody at Scranton saw something in him to head to Doylestown a few times and show genuine interest.

On another note, to give it away for our resident internet sleuths................Scranton is all over his sister, who is having a great year for C.B. West. It won't take a degree from a UAA or NESCAC school to put these pieces together. I provided a beach ball and a huge bat:) First one with the name gets a Tufts or Hamilton (not the crappy play.............I preferred Spamilton, a great takedown of the foolishness) hoodie :) !!!

Now, back to our regular programming of switching conferences and being mentioned in the same breath as the University of Chicago, Amherst and M.I.T. :)

I've read that she's already committed to Jefferson.

Yep.

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1178868

Dad did confirm that while she wavered bwtween the two (Jeff and Scranton), she ultimately chose Jeff. Great family. Pops was an athlete way back in his day.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2022, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 30, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Agreed...the Juniata bench is their strength.
However, Curley does a remarkable job year in & year out with the talent he has so having him on the sidelines is certainly a plus as well.
And, to frustrate NEPA even more than losing a winnable game, Juniata brought out their pep band!  :o

12 kids or so? What a novel concept to get some energy in the gym.


Jmcozenlaw, we will keep a sport warm for her at Scranton if Jefferson doesn't work out.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 30, 2022, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 30, 2022, 08:28:06 PM

Dad did confirm that while she wavered bwtween the two (Jeff and Scranton), she ultimately chose Jeff. Great family. Pops was an athlete way back in his day.

Their mom was a pretty solid player (especially defensively) for Del Val basketball in the early 90s, too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 31, 2022, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 29, 2022, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 20, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Susque had a furious comeback at Drew to take the win.


Congrats to Tahaj Parland with a career high 18 points on 4-4 from 3 point land.


For the dreamers...https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1483817743795298304?s=20

I still will never understand the dream of transitioning to D1. I will take D3 and the purity of sport over D1 athletics. This is speaking as former athlete, coach, and now just a fan of the level.

I believe that the Ivies, Patriot League and some other schools certainly have the "purity of sport".

I certainly agree with you on the purity of sport. But we have now gone from comparing Scranton from a MAAC school to Patriot and Ivy?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 10:13:51 AM
 When the Patriot League started, some were non-athletic scholarship schools. That lasted for some years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 31, 2022, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2022, 10:13:51 AM
When the Patriot League started, some were non-athletic scholarship schools. That lasted for some years.

Tell you what, when the Royals join the Patriot, I will pay for everyone's season tickets.
Until then, lets see if we can win some road conference games, and make a few baskets inside the paint and within 6-8 feet of the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2022, 12:21:51 PM
I don't think anyone is comparing the two. There is still some purity in the Patriot and Ivy was the point I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 12:30:12 PM
 Just saying that when I evaluate bball prospects, my competition are the Patriots and Ivies, athletically and academically, since I look for those who can make a difference at the highest D3 level. Financial competition(tuition/aid) then comes into play with the state(NY/NJ/PA) schools.
  When I attended Scranton, we regularly played now-Patriot League Bucknell, Lafayette, and Loyola and much stronger D1 Villanova, Temple, Seton Hall, and Providence. But that was pre-D3 and now the proper focus is to compete at the top level of D3. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 31, 2022, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2022, 12:21:51 PM
I don't think anyone is comparing the two. There is still some purity in the Patriot and Ivy was the point I believe.

No, I get it! I was just being facetious on the topic. Overall point, we would all like to see Scranton basketball in a winning state of mind. The glory days of yesteryear will likely never be, but the team has certainly dropped off from national prominence to barely being on the regional radar.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 31, 2022, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2022, 12:30:12 PM
Just saying that when I evaluate bball prospects, my competition are the Patriots and Ivies, athletically and academically, since I look for those who can make a difference at the highest D3 level. Financial competition(tuition/aid) then comes into play with the state(NY/NJ/PA) schools.
  When I attended Scranton, we regularly played now-Patriot League Bucknell, Lafayette, and Loyola and much stronger D1 Villanova, Temple, Seton Hall, and Providence. But that was pre-D3 and now the proper focus is to compete at the top level of D3.

ronk, that is a great comparison as Scranton does/ should check those boxes at the D3 level academically and athletically. With that being said, most of the conference does as well, which means in my eyes, the Landmark is a great fit.

I do not think the university is concerned with being at the top of D3. I think it is "compete and win the Landmark, and get to NCAA". Anything beyond that is icing. Most schools would love to have that philosophy, and be successful at it. I think we are just looking at it through eyes of the past. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 30, 2022, 10:11:28 AM
Royals were outplayed by Juniata yesterday who inserted themselves into a 5-way battle for the 4 conference tourney spots for the AQ. I put the emphasis more on Juniata's play than any lacking on the Royals' part. Can't remember allowing 70 points in a game and losing to a team that had no one scoring in double figures. Juniata is midway thru an 11 games in 25 days(normally 8 games in same stretch) stretch due to covid factors. So, with 10 or more players contributing, they would seem to be a squad that could best get thru such a stretch.

So much for Juniata having no one in double figures yet winning the game; tonite they only got 38 and were walloped by Susque; the bench did outscore the starters 24-14.
Big games this week:
Wed - Drew @ Susque, Catholic @ Juniata
Sat - Catholic @ Drew, Juniata @ Susque
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2022, 06:47:17 AM

The Juniata loss to Susquehanna by that margin only makes the Royals loss to them that much worse.
Moravian will be ready for them, certainly won't be intimidated.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 01, 2022, 05:13:22 PM
Saratoga 100% agree!!!I'm glad to be back missed you guys Saratoga,Ronk.I message Nepafan throughout the season.Saratoga need to catch up on a drink or two with you!!!Have alot of catching up to do on reading material and D3hoops show-I like watching it.So I'm back!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2022, 01:54:31 PM
https://www.altoonamirror.com/life/community/2020/01/juniata-college-will-create-spirit-pep-band/



"I am excited to bring a pep band to Juniata events because it embodies the pure, uninhibited musical expression of fun and excitement," Yon said. "Although we always want to play the right notes and recognizable melodies, it is ultimately the sheer joy of playing music together, the thrill of cheering unabashedly for our athletic teams, and the unique feeling of excitement in any athletic venue when the band is having fun with our music that will make this such a wonderful addition to the traditions of Juniata."

The formation of the spirit/pep band, including the hire of Yon, was made possible thanks to the provision of funding from a generous donor.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2022, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2022, 01:54:31 PM
https://www.altoonamirror.com/life/community/2020/01/juniata-college-will-create-spirit-pep-band/



"I am excited to bring a pep band to Juniata events because it embodies the pure, uninhibited musical expression of fun and excitement," Yon said. "Although we always want to play the right notes and recognizable melodies, it is ultimately the sheer joy of playing music together, the thrill of cheering unabashedly for our athletic teams, and the unique feeling of excitement in any athletic venue when the band is having fun with our music that will make this such a wonderful addition to the traditions of Juniata."

The formation of the spirit/pep band, including the hire of Yon, was made possible thanks to the provision of funding from a generous donor.

Nepa,
   Looks like we know where your donations are going for the next few years; got any favorite songs?

In high school, we had a pep band for every home game; with an excellent team, it made for a big time environment.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
The Hoopsville Marathon is here!

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6pwgx/r9wqvnwufi9rtj30.jpg)

The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon

This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.

The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.

Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2022, 10:11:20 AM
Is there a Wall of Fame weekend this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2022, 11:10:43 AM

Royals have a great opportunity to seriously upgrade their schedule for the next few years as both Gettysburg & Hamilton are looking to find some new teams for a home & away series.
Book them.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2022, 02:19:37 PM
 Great suggestion - Hamilton would give a NESCAC flavoring and Gburg is only 75 min trip for me.   ;) Nice when opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
 E-town knocks off Catholic on a 3-pter with 3.4 secs left 67-66.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2022, 04:26:50 PM
I turned it off with 10 seconds left thinking it was over. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 07, 2022, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2022, 11:10:43 AM

Royals have a great opportunity to seriously upgrade their schedule for the next few years as both Gettysburg & Hamilton are looking to find some new teams for a home & away series.
Book them.

Was nice a few years back when Scr and Gettysburg matched up. Same thing with York. Replace Kings and Wilkes with Gettysburg and York type schools. Just trying to crank a few of the members on here holding on to Wilkes- Kings rivalries!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2022, 12:29:00 PM
Royals r now ranked 9th in unofficial regional rankings in region 5 as of today on tomaroonandgold web page; we'll c when the official alphabetical rankings r released tomorrow; schools ahead of them: CC(2), Land(2), MACC(3), AEC(1).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2022, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
E-town knocks off Catholic on a 3-pter with 3.4 secs left 67-66.

I think they did the same thing to the Royals a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2022, 07:43:57 PM
 Well, that was a terrible half; no offensive cohesion. And I should copy over my critique from the Lady Royals game recently: why take an end-of-the-half shot with 7 secs on the clock - you're supposed to be taking the last shot, not the next-to-last shot. Unbelievable! 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2022, 08:36:23 PM
Awful and the difference in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Wth was that timeout for-Parland to drive and dish cmon,Also the last chance they passed the ball around instead of putting  up a shot being down two.Omg do we need something to change Martin!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 08:44:08 PM
Ronk I said the exact samething to Nepafan!!Just scratching my head with this play calling for 20 years.Its nothing new!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2022, 09:16:55 PM

Man, his end of half & end of game strategy is the stuff 8th. grade coaches go to clinics for.
Talk about just throwing away winnable games.
This is getting pretty old.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2022, 09:23:41 PM

By the way...
Over in the NESCAC, unranked Wesleyan absolutely crushed #12 Williams in Williamstown.
That is something the Royals have rarely, if ever, done on his watch...go into a highly ranked teams gym and come out with a convincing win.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2022, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2022, 09:23:41 PM

By the way...
Over in the NESCAC, unranked Wesleyan absolutely crushed #12 Williams in Williamstown.
That is something the Royals have rarely, if ever, done on his watch...go into a highly ranked teams gym and come out with a convincing win.

Williams was missing three starters and two key reserves tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2022, 06:20:33 AM

Wasn't aware of that.
So...how is that perceived by the NCAA committee?
Big win regardless for Wesleyan since everyone has played short-handed at some point this year or, don't look too deep into this loss, it may have been a fluke?
Personally, I turned away from the Scranton game several times last night & watched this game & I came away pretty darn impressed with Wesleyan.
Not sure they've had such a complete game before or are capable of more of these types of games going forward but they have some very, very talented kids.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2022, 08:28:08 AM
To come out flat at Juniata and lose is one thing, to do it a week later at home and have this performance is another thing.

I didn't watch the first half, but why are you shooting with 10 seconds left to allow Juniata to come down and bang a three? (Note the margin of victory was three)

If I had the time or inclination I would list all the in conference clunkers Scranton has had. Is this just a lack of preperation?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2022, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 08, 2022, 06:20:33 AM

Wasn't aware of that.
So...how is that perceived by the NCAA committee?
Big win regardless for Wesleyan since everyone has played short-handed at some point this year or, don't look too deep into this loss, it may have been a fluke?
Personally, I turned away from the Scranton game several times last night & watched this game & I came away pretty darn impressed with Wesleyan.
Not sure they've had such a complete game before or are capable of more of these types of games going forward but they have some very, very talented kids.

I don't think the committee can really take that into account, to be honest. In this case, they split two games and may meet again.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:35:18 AM
So what team shows up tonight?Also this will be the 5th straight year No Ncaa tournament(if they don't win the Landmark)I just don't see them going on the road and winning it!I think this will be the longest drought in UofS mens basketball history since Bessior was named Coach!(Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan) is that right?Also is Martin finally hearing chirping in his ear?Just saying -not good in Royalville these days!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:53:45 AM
I would like to give my thoughts and prayers to the Bridgewater(Va.) community!My heart breaks for all involved in that heinous attack on those two officers!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:35:18 AM
So what team shows up tonight?Also this will be the 5th straight year No Ncaa tournament(if they don't win the Landmark)I just don't see them going on the road and winning it!I think this will be the longest drought in UofS mens basketball history since Bessior was named Coach!(Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan) is that right?Also is Martin finally hearing chirping in his ear?Just saying -not good in Royalville these days!!!

Right we have seen this before, they'll beat Drew, Catholic, and Susquehanna and then lose at Elizabethtown.

Don't fret, at least we aren't Goucher ! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:53:45 AM
I would like to give my thoughts and prayers to the Bridgewater(Va.) community!My heart breaks for all involved in that heinous attack on those two officers!

Agreed! They are in the Old Dominion Athletic Conference in Region 6 if you want to address this to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 09, 2022, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:35:18 AM
So what team shows up tonight?Also this will be the 5th straight year No Ncaa tournament(if they don't win the Landmark)I just don't see them going on the road and winning it!I think this will be the longest drought in UofS mens basketball history since Bessior was named Coach!(Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan) is that right?Also is Martin finally hearing chirping in his ear?Just saying -not good in Royalville these days!!!

Strange you bring this up. I was thinking a few weeks back how this would be the 5th straight year left out of NCAA Tournament. I went back through the archives, and this would pass the mark where the tournament was missed after the 92-93 NCAA squad until returning in 97-98.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2022, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:35:18 AM
So what team shows up tonight?Also this will be the 5th straight year No Ncaa tournament(if they don't win the Landmark)I just don't see them going on the road and winning it!I think this will be the longest drought in UofS mens basketball history since Bessior was named Coach!(Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan) is that right?Also is Martin finally hearing chirping in his ear?Just saying -not good in Royalville these days!!!

You'll have to check the starting lineup tonight; if it's effort, defensive rebounding, getting the ball into the post, quality shot selection, and strategy, then they can win by double figures as they did with Susque earlier in the season. Otherwise,
making the conference playoffs will be in jeopardy.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 02:00:30 PM
Will do ty Pat !!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2022, 03:16:57 PM
 Is NEPA the source for this?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2022, 03:16:57 PM
Is NEPA the source for this?  ::)

Not sure who NEPA is in real life but don't think they are one of the several sources we lean on for this.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 09, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 09, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

I don't get the impression that Catholic has large emotional ties to the NEWMAC in football.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2022, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 09, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

What does it mean for Scranton adding football?

Ronk: First rule is you never reveal your sources.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2022, 03:52:44 PM
 We haven't lost a football game since 1960. There were former Royal football players in school still when I started in '62.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2022, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 09, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
FYI -- expansion coming to the Landmark. This is written from the football angle but it does account for all sports.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

There is your return to Scranton-Wilkes rivalry. Will be interesting to see what happens to the schools being "forced" to join the Landmark for football. I would think the only team you would worry that leaves is Catholic, as the others have ties to the old MAC days.

What does it mean for Scranton adding football?

Ronk: First rule is you never reveal your sources.

It would lower one barrier for sure -- a Scranton football program would have a conference affiliation right off the bat and wouldn't need to go looking for one.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2022, 06:02:07 PM

Well, this is disappointing news.
Lyco & Wilkes add absolutely zero to the conference...except sporting a football team.
Can't they just let them in for football purposes & not full membership?
I was thrilled when Scranton waked away from the MAC but these schools are like hot gum on your shoes...they just keep sticking to you.
About 7 years ago the rumor going around the Capitol District was that Vassar & Skidmore were looking into the Landmark...they would be additions, Wilkes & Lyco...not so much.
Sorry Kate.

Ok, time to develop a new conference.
Scranton
Catholic
E-Town
Drew
Vassar
Skidmore
Stevens
Mary Washington
Goucher
Marymount
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 06:19:09 PM
Couple reasons why they wouldn't really pursue these schools as football-only affiliates:

1. Why would the MAC allow them to only play their football elsewhere?
2. Having four core members with football and two football affiliates means all of those schools would have to give up automatic bid access in football for two years. (Six members = automatic bid right away; four members plus two affiliates = two-year waiting period.)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2022, 09:19:43 PM

I get it...just disgusted with this news.
On another topic...Royals looked like they were just going through the motions tonight.
Quite honestly, they may have already won their last game this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 08:20:59 AM
Saratoga: What does Goucher buy you that Wilkes doesn't? Are we only talking about prestige of the academic institutions here?


Pat: I was going to ask you about average investment and start up cost for a new football program, but I can probably google some stuff, as the kids say.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2022, 11:29:54 AM
I am not sure I have good answers on startup costs in this day and age but most schools still feel that they recoup those costs with the additional enrollment.

I wrote this story more than 15 years ago and it doesn't address costs, but it's a broad overview at the reasons why D-III schools add football:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on February 10, 2022, 03:31:16 PM
I feel like a Scranton / Wilkes rivalry would be cool
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
it is official.

https://landmarkconference.org/general/2021-22/releases/14102022-landmark-expansion

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2022, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
it is official.

https://landmarkconference.org/general/2021-22/releases/14102022-landmark-expansion

I wonder if this does anything for the dormant Scranton - Wilkes rivalry that has been discussed here before. Some here see/want Scranton in a UAA or NESCAC type conference..........and here come Wilkes and Lycoming (neither exactly UAA nor NESACAC ilk).

Do the calls to move to a "better" academic conference grow louder with the addition of two "MAC Schools".

UAA A.D. Admin Assistant........."Boss, I've got Scranton on Line 1, are you still too sick to take the call"? :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2022, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2022, 09:23:41 PM

By the way...
Over in the NESCAC, unranked Wesleyan absolutely crushed #12 Williams in Williamstown.
That is something the Royals have rarely, if ever, done on his watch...go into a highly ranked teams gym and come out with a convincing win.

Williams was missing three starters and two key reserves tonight.

So Mrs. Lincoln, other than the incident, how did you enjoy the play? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 03:56:57 PM
All this talk of football reminded me to post this video.


https://onthebanks.msu.edu/Object/162-565-6369/msc-football-vs-scranton-1944/


How cool is this footage?

Scranton Head Coach - Pete Carlesimo.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 03:56:57 PM
All this talk of football reminded me to post this video.


https://onthebanks.msu.edu/Object/162-565-6369/msc-football-vs-scranton-1944/


How cool is this footage?

Scranton Head Coach - Pete Carlesimo.

Became a Mich St football fan about 9 years afterward; don't know why; maybe I watched them win the Rose Bowl game on TV(Earl Morrall, Clarence Peaks, Walt Kowalcyzk)

Pete was our Athletic Director during my matriculation, later becoming director of college basketball's NIT, and appearing on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show as an after-dinner speaker; father of PJ
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2022, 08:31:58 PM
It's official :Wilkes,Lycoming joining the Landmark.So just need Kings,Desales and Delaware Valley and Scranton will be right back to square one with a couple additions !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
 Figuring the Royals make the conference playoffs by winning out, winning a tie-breaker with Catholic and Juniata by beating Susque; anything less requires helping losses by Catholic and/or Juniata.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Ronk- did you read the article in the  Scranton times today and Carl's comments about last night's game?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 09:01:08 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 10, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Ronk- did you read the article in the  Scranton times today and Carl's comments about last night's game?

No, it's behind the paywall and I'm not a subscriber.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2022, 10:29:29 PM
Maybe Nepafan can share on this page not sure how to fo it.I sent it to him via messenger!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2022, 10:54:45 PM
I just have to disagree with Danzing on saying that Drew brings more experience to the game then Scranton!That is like when he says everyone that plays Scranton comes to play!Darryl Kechler in the last two years beat Scranton 4 out of 5 times.So why I disagree with Danzing on the experience part is he has his whole team back except one player Logan Bailey(Which by the way never won a Landmark conference Championship) .Ronk I dont see them winning at Etown or Susquehanna so it is looking very slim on even making the Conference tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 11:34:35 PM
 And Drew was missing its best player Lybrant Robinson last nite with an injury. Logan was a big loss difference but 80% through a season ought to temper any experience argument.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 11, 2022, 02:49:12 AM
Sure every team goes through those years!But personally I would not call Scranton men a young team by any chance.Danzing,Ems,Braunstein,Brockett either started or played alot of minutes also Parland,Lambert,Hartrick had time in the game.Not a young team to me!The last 8 years have been bad and one thing this team does not have is discipline and you need that to teach them not to take a shot with 10 seconds left when you have the final shot or for 24 seconds pass the ball around for 23 seconds  knowing you need two to tie or three to win,But nope I'll advised passing from the corner to the top of the key where it was a T.O and game.Go toward the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2022, 10:23:35 AM
Here are the quotes, the rest of the article is just recap you can get on Scranton Athletics website:


"They hit a lot of tough shots, especially on the clock-downs."

"Credit to them, they really exposed all our mistakes. We'd miss a layup and they'd come down and hit a shot, in a game like this you just cant give up those points"

"For us our A-Guys got to play unfortunately Jackson didn't have a good game tonight and it hurt us he has been on such a run lately but that happens you are not going to come out and play well every time"

"I couldn't be prouder of my guys, They're learning on the job and were young and the future looks good It s just Drew is an experienced team and they showed it tonight. "
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2022, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2022, 10:23:35 AM
Here are the quotes, the rest of the article is just recap you can get on Scranton Athletics website:


"They hit a lot of tough shots, especially on the clock-downs."

"Credit to them, they really exposed all our mistakes. We'd miss a layup and they'd come down and hit a shot, in a game like this you just cant give up those points"

"For us our A-Guys got to play unfortunately Jackson didn't have a good game tonight and it hurt us he has been on such a run lately but that happens you are not going to come out and play well every time"

"I couldn't be prouder of my guys, They're learning on the job and were young and the future looks good It s just Drew is an experienced team and they showed it tonight. "

thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 11, 2022, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2022, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
it is official.

https://landmarkconference.org/general/2021-22/releases/14102022-landmark-expansion

I wonder if this does anything for the dormant Scranton - Wilkes rivalry that has been discussed here before. Some here see/want Scranton in a UAA or NESCAC type conference..........and here come Wilkes and Lycoming (neither exactly UAA nor NESACAC ilk).

Do the calls to move to a "better" academic conference grow louder with the addition of two "MAC Schools".

UAA A.D. Admin Assistant........."Boss, I've got Scranton on Line 1, are you still too sick to take the call"? :) :) :)

I would say the Landmark is full of very good academic institutions. I have to argue that one, sorry.
Also, it is a good mix of veterans and young guys. The under classmen are getting more time, and should. I do not have an issue with any of the comments. They are all true. With this being said, they have been undisciplined, and there are questionable calls that come from the bench. Aside from the shot we all know from the Juniata game at the end of the first half, what gets me most is the lack of execution out of a timeout. I think the future is bright. Parland is looking better by the game, and can be dynamic, and Scranton just might have one of the best freshman in the conf in what Will is doing out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on February 11, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
I'm still on this Landmark thing...does this mean Scranton is going to consider re-launching their football program?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 11, 2022, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on February 11, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
I'm still on this Landmark thing...does this mean Scranton is going to consider re-launching their football program?

Probably not.   At least not right away.  It doesn't sound like the current president would be that interested, and given that Goucher, ETown and Drew don't have football and they only need 6 for the AQ, I can't imagine there would be much pressure from the conference to add it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2022, 12:25:03 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 11, 2022, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on February 11, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
I'm still on this Landmark thing...does this mean Scranton is going to consider re-launching their football program?

Probably not.   At least not right away.  It doesn't sound like the current president would be that interested, and given that Goucher, ETown and Drew don't have football and they only need 6 for the AQ, I can't imagine there would be much pressure from the conference to add it.

I don't think the conference is going to want to sit at 6 members based on what I have heard. That might mean associate members, not sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2022, 01:22:10 PM
For what it's worth, I don't think that football will stay at the requirement of six for an AQ super long.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2022, 07:56:24 PM

NEPA:
Fantastic find of Scranton football vs. Sparty.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Figuring the Royals make the conference playoffs by winning out, winning a tie-breaker with Catholic and Juniata by beating Susque; anything less requires helping losses by Catholic and/or Juniata.

Scranton and Drew did their part to help the Royals cause today.  Still an uphill battle for the  Royals to make the playoffs since Juniata holds the tiebreaker against Scranton; If Juniata wins one more than Scranton, they're in. And the Eagles are more likely to do so (with games against Goucher and Moravian) than Scranton is (against Susquehanna and Catholic). 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2022, 09:22:14 PM

Great to see the Royals were not going to be denied by an 8 win team today.
They made it look easy.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 01:01:18 AM
Last two games has alot of implications!So it's butter up and bring your A game!Unless Frankie sits every starter I do not see Scranton beating Susquehanna at Susquehanna.Will be alot of checking the scoreboard this week in the landmark.Lol
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 01:35:09 AM
Nothing against the two teams joining the landmark conference (Wilkes,Lycoming) Me personally not sure if they have a football team but I think Messiah,Widner would have been better fits?Just my thought not a big d3 football fan just a big d3 basketball fan(both M&W)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 14, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Figuring the Royals make the conference playoffs by winning out, winning a tie-breaker with Catholic and Juniata by beating Susque; anything less requires helping losses by Catholic and/or Juniata.

Scranton and Drew did their part to help the Royals cause today.  Still an uphill battle for the  Royals to make the playoffs since Juniata holds the tiebreaker against Scranton; If Juniata wins one more than Scranton, they're in. And the Eagles are more likely to do so (with games against Goucher and Moravian) than Scranton is (against Susquehanna and Catholic).

Due to the tie breaker, Royals need to win both. If they lose one, they need Juniata to do the same, and it does not look like that will happen. Tough to go into Susq and win, then win a must win against Cath. Maybe students would actually show up to see that on Saturday. Doubt it!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2022, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 14, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Figuring the Royals make the conference playoffs by winning out, winning a tie-breaker with Catholic and Juniata by beating Susque; anything less requires helping losses by Catholic and/or Juniata.

Scranton and Drew did their part to help the Royals cause today.  Still an uphill battle for the  Royals to make the playoffs since Juniata holds the tiebreaker against Scranton; If Juniata wins one more than Scranton, they're in. And the Eagles are more likely to do so (with games against Goucher and Moravian) than Scranton is (against Susquehanna and Catholic).

Due to the tie breaker, Royals need to win both. If they lose one, they need Juniata to do the same, and it does not look like that will happen. Tough to go into Susq and win, then win a must win against Cath. Maybe students would actually show up to see that on Saturday. Doubt it!

Or Catholic to lose 2 would put them in on a tiebreaker with Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 14, 2022, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 14, 2022, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 14, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Figuring the Royals make the conference playoffs by winning out, winning a tie-breaker with Catholic and Juniata by beating Susque; anything less requires helping losses by Catholic and/or Juniata.

Scranton and Drew did their part to help the Royals cause today.  Still an uphill battle for the  Royals to make the playoffs since Juniata holds the tiebreaker against Scranton; If Juniata wins one more than Scranton, they're in. And the Eagles are more likely to do so (with games against Goucher and Moravian) than Scranton is (against Susquehanna and Catholic).

That would put them on a season split with the Cards. What is next criteria? Head to head of those in?

Due to the tie breaker, Royals need to win both. If they lose one, they need Juniata to do the same, and it does not look like that will happen. Tough to go into Susq and win, then win a must win against Cath. Maybe students would actually show up to see that on Saturday. Doubt it!

Or Catholic to lose 2 would put them in on a tiebreaker with Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2022, 10:46:38 AM
Sad.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2022, 12:33:58 PM

Agreed.
From a one time National powerhouse to Regional has been.
How the mighty have fallen.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 14, 2022, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2022, 12:33:58 PM

Agreed.
From a one time National powerhouse to Regional has been.
How the mighty have fallen.

The landscape has changed, and that is a good thing. As a whole, d3 hoops is much better now than it was during the powerhouse years. On any night, any team can win, and again, that is a good thing.

Most schools would give anything to be as successful as Scranton has been, and not just the glory days. This will be what, the third double-digit losing season in the last 20 years, and only one of those years was a losing season. I think the future is bright, as the younger guys on this team look pretty solid.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2022, 08:04:59 PM
Scranton hasn't been a great Men's Basketball program since Bessior Left!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:50:12 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 08:03:59 PM
Nice to see two from the Landmark in the regional rankings!Another year Scranton not even close to being ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 16, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 08:03:59 PM
Nice to see two from the Landmark in the regional rankings!Another year Scranton not even close to being ranked.

In the case of Scranton, these rankings mean nothing. Same can be said for Drew. Only the AQ is getting in from the Landmark this year. Nice opportunity for the Royals tonight though. Season likely on the line, and if they get in, they will probably heading right back there this time next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 16, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 08:03:59 PM
Nice to see two from the Landmark in the regional rankings!Another year Scranton not even close to being ranked.

In the case of Scranton, these rankings mean nothing. Same can be said for Drew. Only the AQ is getting in from the Landmark this year. Nice opportunity for the Royals tonight though. Season likely on the line, and if they get in, they will probably heading right back there this time next week.

I admire your optimism.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 16, 2022, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 16, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 08:03:59 PM
Nice to see two from the Landmark in the regional rankings!Another year Scranton not even close to being ranked.

In the case of Scranton, these rankings mean nothing. Same can be said for Drew. Only the AQ is getting in from the Landmark this year. Nice opportunity for the Royals tonight though. Season likely on the line, and if they get in, they will probably heading right back there this time next week.

I admire your optimism.

Eternally optimistic, never realistic in my takes. My team could be 8 back with 8 to go, and there is a way and a hope. ha!

But my post was simply of what they need to do. It is tough to go to Susq to win. Scranton did outplay them in every aspect at home in Jan. Let's just see what they bring tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 11:41:12 AM
You are the Ying to Saratoga's Yang.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 01:44:27 PM

After twenty years of watching this show of either never in or out in the first round & I've become slightly less than optimistic when the Royals need a big win or two.
But hey, don't let me put a damper on this party.
What do I know...I sold Amazon off at 59.00  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 16, 2022, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 01:44:27 PM

After twenty years of watching this show of either never in or out in the first round & I've become slightly less than optimistic when the Royals need a big win or two.
But hey, don't let me put a damper on this party.
What do I know...I sold Amazon off at 59.00  :(

It is difficult to remain optimistic. In the last 20 years it simply seems to be the goal of win 20, compete for the conf tournament, and anything after that is icing. Again, most schools would kill for this outcome, but making a deep NCAA run every few years would be nice. Sweet 16 in 03 and Elite 8 in 12 runs still never had that feel of legitimate dreams of NCAA Final Four. Now both teams ran into teams making deep runs that year, but still.

If you held amazon a bit long, you wouldn't be wasting time on here worrying about Royal Basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 03:50:33 PM

Oh, I'd still be worrying about Royal basketball even if I held longer.
It's just that I'd be doing my worrying from Monte Carlo, London, & St. Croix.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 07:46:20 PM
I think they are about 7 games behind that 20 win mark again!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 08:06:23 PM
anyone seen Ryan Ems lately?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 08:23:59 PM
Is he with Royals85?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 08:38:03 PM

They may both be in a witness protection plan.
From Danzig doghouse to obscurity.
He just doesn't win the big games.
Where's Timmy Dempsey??
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on February 16, 2022, 08:40:46 PM
I am here in this all mens venue.How's the men doing???? :o :o
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 08:43:18 PM
13-10 Great year Carl!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 08:48:33 PM
Just a question to Nepafan,Saratoga,Ronk when will the door open They forced Bessior out!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 08:48:33 PM
Just a question to Nepafan,Saratoga,Ronk when will the door open They forced Bessior out!!!


They did?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 08:54:40 PM
Absolutely when Toby was hired as AD!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2022, 09:31:01 PM
 Ok, they have to beat Catholic and have Moravian beat Juniata.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 11:37:05 PM
It's a great day to be a Royal-So if Drew and Susquehanna make it to the Championship and Drew wins-I can see two getting in Drew AQ and Susquehanna at Large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 17, 2022, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 11:37:05 PM
It's a great day to be a Royal-So if Drew and Susquehanna make it to the Championship and Drew wins-I can see two getting in Drew AQ and Susquehanna at Large bid.

Well, that was ugly. The lack of discipline...

As soon as I read your post, I realized Drew over Susq, still more than likely gets Susq in.

Optimism... Scranton sneaks in. Wins a thriller over SU, then beats Drew in a final. Do all three get in?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2022, 08:41:21 AM
Two back to back must win games and the Royals have 7 total offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 04:50:16 PM
Scranton will not make it!At least the two teams I mentioned are in
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 05:44:04 PM
The lack of discipline-It has been like that for 20 years.So nothing new!Lol
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2022, 06:28:53 PM
Ems is still on the roster, so not sure what is going on.


I watched the Lacrosse game for the Royals, and they had two what I presume are students doing play by play and color. They did great, and I guess Dean can only do so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2022, 07:29:10 PM
 Overview of men's play on offense last few seasons:
  choose between the motion offense used by the Royals and many others - many players doing a lot of different things(ballhandling, passing, shooting) with varying degrees of how well/adequately they do each thing; there are a decent number of prospects with proficiency in these skills to recruit each year
                                                     or
go "older school" with narrowly defined roles, but more proficiency required in those roles than the motion offense; such as:  PG - ballhandling, break a man-to-man press, 80% FT shooter, get ball into post or to shooters when open,
      SG/SF - hit an open shot, use screens effectively,
      PF - rebound, set a screen
      P - moves in the paint
A more limited pool to recruit from for each role, so you may be missing 1 or more roles in a given year

Make your choice: either/or, not much success in between

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 18, 2022, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2022, 06:28:53 PM
Ems is still on the roster, so not sure what is going on.


I watched the Lacrosse game for the Royals, and they had two what I presume are students doing play by play and color. They did great, and I guess Dean can only do so much.

I never like to go after a player, especially at this level, but I think the reduced playing time is due to inefficiency near the basket. Tons of missed shots down low.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2022, 02:03:24 PM
 Starting times for the Juniata games @ Moravian have been switched; men will be the 4 pm slot, so the Royals won't know if Juniata has lost til after the Royals' game with Catholic has concluded.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2022, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2022, 02:03:24 PM
Starting times for the Juniata games @ Moravian have been switched; men will be the 4 pm slot, so the Royals won't know if Juniata has lost til after the Royals' game with Catholic has concluded.

Moot point. The only positive of today was seeing Ben Bosland on the court even if it was  for 2 seconds. Kudo to Ben for sticking it out.

Catholic is younger than Scranton, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 10:04:45 PM
Rinse and repeat!All I will say!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2022, 12:38:41 AM
His timeouts never materialize!This team just got worse down the stretch.10-5 at one point to 3-6 last nine games.Like I said rinse and repeat.Not happy with this program(Currently).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2022, 03:39:06 PM
Reading the Scranton times-Quote from Coach "We're disappointed we didn't get there.Unfortunatley,people focus on wins and losses.What I think that is the name of the game Coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2022, 03:45:52 PM

Augie:

Agreed.
As long as they still use scoreboards & scoresheets, wins & losses kind of matter.
If you're solely interested in your "journey", then book a trip to Tibet.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2022, 08:08:46 AM
I don't know, the thing I've probably heard second most from d3 coaches (after take it one game at a time) is that you can get measure success by how well you lived up to your potential. Wasn't it John Wooden who said "Only you know if you're a winner."?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2022, 08:41:36 AM
Funny no quotes about how each year their goal is 20 wins, win the landmark tournament and get to the NCAAs. We've heard that from the program all the time. Would be nice to hear some accountability
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2022, 09:05:54 AM
Agree Nepafan-Just went back through the years and his teams always averaged about 14.5 T.O a game and The Free Throws have always been a problem with this team.That is why I wrote rinse and repeat!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Anyone have a Scranton mens score???Congrats to Drew on that comeback!58 -49 with less then two minutes to go and win 60-58!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2022, 08:50:45 PM
4:48 left in game Catholic 58-39 over Drew but does not score again with Drew scoring the final 21 points to win 60-58.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2022, 08:56:10 PM
It was a joke about scranton score !Quick to give out the negative mark.You gave me 5 of 5 !Truth hurts
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2022, 08:59:39 AM
Drews comeback including 21 unanswered made Sportscenter. Have we ever had a Drew poster on here?

Good luck to Susquehanna and Drew this weekend. I'll root for a tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2022, 01:11:58 PM

No comeback for Drew last night.
Frankie & crew take care of business & win the Landmark.
Meanwhile, Danzig misses 5 straight years & counting.
Nice to see Susquehanna play the game at 7:00 rather than these crazy 3 & 4:00 starts we so often get.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2022, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 27, 2022, 01:11:58 PM

No comeback for Drew last night.
Frankie & crew take care of business & win the Landmark.
Meanwhile, Danzig misses 5 straight years & counting.
Nice to see Susquehanna play the game at 7:00 rather than these crazy 3 & 4:00 starts we so often get.

Great crowd, enthusiastic students too...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 08:04:22 PM

Yep...it can obviously be done.
Look on the bright side...even though the Royals have missed 5 straight NCAA tournaments, at least they haven't been beaten by 27 points in each of their past 2 visits to the show like they were vs. Lynchburg & Williams.
That's got to count for something.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 01, 2022, 08:58:44 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 08:04:22 PM

Yep...it can obviously be done.
Look on the bright side...even though the Royals have missed 5 straight NCAA tournaments, at least they haven't been beaten by 27 points in each of their past 2 visits to the show like they were vs. Lynchburg & Williams.
That's got to count for something.  ::)

To think it has been 19 years since the men have hosted an NCAA Tournament game. 8 straight for the women, congrats as always!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2022, 11:00:50 AM
 And that was a gift since Ursinus(the higher seed) didn't put in to host; there was an earlier round game that same year that the men hosted(Buffalo St?).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2022, 12:49:22 PM
We are all over-reacting, right ?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
 Just setting the milieu - no action implied.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 01, 2022, 09:02:13 PM
So lets look back on the last 21 years of Coach Carl Danzing:So out of those 21 years he has made it to the Ncaa tournament 10 times out of those 10 apperance 6 apperances he was knocked out in the 1st Rd,twice his team went  to the 2nd rd,1 apperance in the sweet 16 and 1time Elite 8 and 11 times missed the Tournament all together.So when it comes to not hosting the story is right in front of you why Scranton men have not hosted in 19 years!As for the Lady Royals hosting 8 times in a row maybe because it is a winning program.That is why I do not  believe that the school (AD)is happy about this program just competing and make the Landmark Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 02, 2022, 09:33:16 AM
Congratulations to Frauenheim, Martin and the SU coaching staff on their Landmark conference awards.  Best of luck against Rowan, and may you represent the conference well!

Congrats, too, to Braunstein and Danzig for being all Landmark Selections, and especially to Will McLauhglin on his well-deserved ROY award.  With him and the rest of Scranton's freshman class, there is much potential for the future in the Long Center!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2022, 11:15:19 AM
 Amen
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2022, 12:41:12 PM

Tim:
I'd love to believe that about the Royals future looking bright etc. but I've seen this show too many times when everything was supposed to come together & it simply never materialized.
Congrats to Will as ROY & the other kids recognized but I'm just not seeing them all that better next year.
I mean this team wasn't even in the Landmark playoffs for heavens sake.
Think about that for a moment...with the history & resources of Scranton he couldn't get them as much as a fourth place conference finish?
When there was no league title or NCAA trip with Mancuso, DeVerna, Logan, his son & some of the other kids...it became far too apparent that they will never win the big games needed to reach the next level.
Wait till next year, we're young...nothing but words we've all heard far too often.



Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2022, 07:55:19 PM
 Looks the new Royal is Matt Hanley of Msgr Farrell(NY) 6-5
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2022, 12:09:44 PM
 Congrats to Jackson Danzig selection to All-Region 2nd team.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 15, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
Nothing posted on Scranton men's twitter page yet, but Luca Baratta (6'2" G out of Perkiomen School) has committed to the U:

https://twitter.com/lucabaratta3/status/1503827348562620418?s=20&t=GyInhacvmMaFbVm5aVA8XQ
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 16, 2022, 07:21:29 PM
And here's the Scrantonbball tweet, ostensibly about Baratta. :)

https://twitter.com/ScrantonBball/status/1504206835410157577?s=20&t=_Nd5q2CnZ7usCe-uR0FKxQ
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 30, 2022, 04:15:08 PM
Interesting tweet from former Scranton Royals SID

QuoteI obviously don't work at Scranton anymore but I bet a solid someone in this area thinks the Royals should make the D1 jump now that St. Peter's has made the Sweet 16

https://twitter.com/gattoj/status/1505519376920985605

QuoteThe U went through the whole study process in the late 90s and balked because of the price tag to pull it off. Can't even imagine what that would be now.

These are the same folks that are waiting for Scranton football, which will also never happen!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Womp Womp!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 31, 2022, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Womp Womp!

I'm totally cool with D3 and I don't think The U needs football - but I would like to see them invest more in marketing, recruiting and student / alumni engagement. A nicer indoor fieldhouse would be cool too. Also, maybe D1 bowling, hockey and wrestling?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2022, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 31, 2022, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Womp Womp!

I'm totally cool with D3 and I don't think The U needs football - but I would like to see them invest more in marketing, recruiting and student / alumni engagement. A nicer indoor fieldhouse would be cool too. Also, maybe D1 bowling, hockey and wrestling?

You can't go D1 in select sports. It is all or nothing. We seem to be doing better in athletics across the board...

https://s3.amazonaws.com/nacda.com/documents/2021/12/22/DIIIFinalFall21_22Update.pdf

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 31, 2022, 04:09:31 PM
Bummer. D1 bowling would be sick.

Awesome to see The U in the top 40 for the D3 Learfield Cup! So what's it going to take to get to top 10?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2022, 04:38:19 PM

I don't think bowling has divisions. I think everybody competes together.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 31, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 31, 2022, 04:09:31 PM
Bummer. D1 bowling would be sick.

Awesome to see The U in the top 40 for the D3 Learfield Cup! So what's it going to take to get to top 10?  ;D

Men's Soccer could start playing like they did in the 1980s for one.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 31, 2022, 10:14:48 PM

Men's basketball could start playing like they did in the 1980's as well.  ;D
However, given what we've seen the past 21 years, that most likely won't be happening.
Fifth place in the Landmark...the new normal??
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 08:38:22 AM
I always get these dates confused. Is today the last day to make a decision to attend scranton or is that May 1st?

Hope everyone is doing well!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 01, 2022, 10:03:31 AM
The date used to be 1 May but it's now unspecified in the events for admitted students
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 01:20:55 PM
Thanks Ronk.


Keystone is now an associate member of Landmark for Football, FYI.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on April 01, 2022, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 01:20:55 PM
Keystone is now an associate member of Landmark for Football, FYI.

Who woulda thunk?


Please delete that post before Saratoga sees it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 01, 2022, 04:56:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 01, 2022, 10:03:31 AM
The date used to be 1 May but it's now unspecified in the events for admitted students

May 1 had been an agreed upon date in college admissions (called the National Candidate's Reply Deadline) by which students needed to respond to an offer of admission.

However, the National Association for College Admission Counseling, which governs such matters, was met with an inquiry by the Department of Justice, saying that it might violate antitrust laws.

So while most colleges are still promoting May 1, there are some that have an earlier or later date...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 01, 2022, 09:11:46 PM
6'7" Luke Braaten has committed to Scranton. 

https://twitter.com/jerseyforce_/status/1509927739511427073?s=20&t=kEyq0c6nhf26U2_dFGdTXA

This kid looks like he could be a force in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 10:30:04 PM
I believe they were watching him for a while based on their social media likes.

Big talented class, but what can they do with them?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 01, 2022, 11:50:38 PM
 It's the answer to your request for ideas to pack the Long Center - admit them and put them on the basketball team.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 02, 2022, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 01:20:55 PM
Thanks Ronk.


Keystone is now an associate member of Landmark for Football, FYI.

Hmmmmmm...........from "Scranton to the NESCAC, UAA, move up to a Patriot League type level" to the Landmark bringing aboard Keystone. What's next for the Landmark? Bringing on a couple of the Penn State satellite locations, Luzerne County Community College, Clarks Summit, Lackawanna Junior College? I'm kidding (sort of) of course. Next thing you know the Landmark will be sharing a commissioner with another conference. ;)

I hope Saratoga didn't see the Keystone news. Oy Vey!! That's like the NESCAC bringing aboard Fitchburg State!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 02, 2022, 03:02:32 PM
 Keystone does have a former player in the original class of the baseball HOF; so they are a "blue-blood" in that sense.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on April 02, 2022, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2022, 03:02:32 PM
Keystone does have a former player in the original class of the baseball HOF; so they are a "blue-blood" in that sense.  ::)
Maybe his boyhood home of Factoryville is their 'landmark.'
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 12, 2022, 01:50:50 PM
Unrelated to everything, Scranton has done a MUCH better job with social + digital content lately. I've been been impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 29, 2022, 10:46:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2022, 08:06:23 PM
anyone seen Ryan Ems lately?

He is no longer on Scranton's roster...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 02, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on April 12, 2022, 01:50:50 PM
Unrelated to everything, Scranton has done a MUCH better job with social + digital content lately. I've been been impressed.

I like the video...if they could put the same effort into getting basketball fans butts in seats...;)

https://app.mobilecause.com/vf/GOROYALS2022

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 02, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
 There's a tweet from Scranton Basketball of video hilites of each of the 7-member incoming class.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 04, 2022, 03:16:59 PM
Looks like a great recruiting class coming in this year For the Royals!Great job to the Coaching Staff(Bravo),Probably Danzings biggest recruiting class ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 10, 2022, 02:17:34 PM

Looks like Keckler has moved from Drew to Moravian.  He's on the Moravian website, but I haven't seen an official announcement yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 10, 2022, 05:40:37 PM
 An intra-conference move?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 10, 2022, 05:59:56 PM

That's insane.
Nobody goes to Moravian unless you're starting your career.
Keckler has done a great job at Drew...I'm thinking an extended contract was not in the cards with the Rangers.
What the heck happened to the Moravian coach, I don't he was there much more than a year.
This is like their 4th. coach in 6 years.
Is the current AD driving them all crazy?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on May 11, 2022, 10:59:37 AM
I believe this year's (21-22) coach was an interim coach only.  Did seem a little odd that Keckler was making an inter-conference move to what seems like a step down in terms of programs (although I believe Moravian won back to back conference championships in the not too distant past under current Montclair State coach Potts).  However, when you read the press release you learn that Keckler lives in Easton, PA and his wife is the head volleyball coach at Lehigh.  So from that perspective the move makes more sense. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2022, 11:20:24 AM
 Saving on  bridge fees crossing the Delaware River between NJ & PA?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 11, 2022, 11:25:21 AM
Great info Stretch.
I'm sure that's the reason...they can both walk out the door & be at work in 15 minutes as opposed to having to make the hour drive each day to Madison.
Very doable when you're starting out but as you get a little older & the kids are getting into things, you want to be there for that & not stuck on an interstate missing the school play.
Good for him...I'm sure he thought about this before with all the coaching changes at Moravian & figured if I don't make the move now, the opportunity may not present itself again for a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 02, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
 Ryan Ems is transferring to Rowan.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 05, 2022, 01:13:00 PM

For supposedly being a developer of "post players', Danzig certainly looses enough of them.
Has to be more to this development as Emms started for 2 years prior to his landing in the dog house & seeing p/t diminished.
Joins the ranks of bigs Ryan Braun, Paul Genosevitch & Paul Brown who opted out in the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on June 06, 2022, 08:38:09 AM
Sometimes kids just don't develop the game at the next level as planned. As for the transferred player, he certainly had plenty of looks and opportunities to grow and develop. Maybe it was the system, but I think we all saw what he could/ couldn't do on the floor. Bets of luck moving forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2022, 09:02:32 PM
 New Scranton Wall of Fame class includes 2 MBBers - Zach Ashworth and Tom Bicknell. Both were dominant players and overlapped 1 season(2007-8).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 07, 2022, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 06, 2022, 09:02:32 PM
New Scranton Wall of Fame class includes 2 MBBers - Zach Ashworth and Tom Bicknell. Both were dominant players and overlapped 1 season(2007-8).

Interestingly enough this will be ceremony in the Fall at halftime of the Men's Soccer game. Maybe they are really chomping at the bit to get the ceremony done, and don't want to wait till the winter.

Wall of Fame was one way to get a few more fannies in the seats for the hoops game.

KCHOOPS are you still around?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 16, 2022, 03:22:03 PM


D3 DIRT: Penn State Abington set to announce new Head Coach
16 JUN 2022  DIRT



Story: Adam Nelson (@HD_DirtKing)

I have heard from great sources that D3 Penn State Abington intends to name Ryan Van Zelst as their new Head Men's Basketball Coach.

Van Zelst has been on the staff at D3 University of Scranton since the 2015-16 season, and was elevated to the role of associate head coach prior to last year. During his time at Scranton, the Royals have gone 113-55, and captured two Landmark Conference Championships. He was also named to the 2016-17 Under Armour 30-Under-30 by the National Association of Basketball Coaches.

Prior to his time at Scranton, Van Zelst was an assistant at his alma mater Albright College (2014-15), and York College (2012-14).

He will replace Jon Tanous, who resigned back in early April.

An official announcement is expected shortly.

https://hoopdirt.com/d3-dirt-penn-state-abington-set-to-announce-new-head-coach/


Happy for Ryan, very sad for Scranton.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 16, 2022, 05:01:52 PM

Thanks NEPA,
Very true...great opportunity for Ryan, tough loss for the Royals.
Ryan has been the point person behind every recruit except for the Danzig household.
Perhaps this will be his retirement incentive knowing full well he's lost without Ryan.
Carl retires, Ryan comes back as HC.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 17, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
 Drew MBB names their replacement for departed Daryl Keckler, now HC Moravian. He's Michael Mcsloy, previously HC St. Joseph's(LI).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 25, 2022, 10:56:30 AM
Congrats to Ryan, sad to see him to go. Danzig should be able to attract another young coach, he's been able to get two who have moved on to assistant at D1 or head coaching gigs.
Unrelated, annual athletics golf tournament is this week, here is a link to the silent auction:
https://e.givesmart.com/events/rLb/i/_All/ieEX/
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 25, 2022, 07:04:05 PM
Definitely congratulations to Coach Ryan!Wish you the best at PS-Abington!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 01, 2022, 07:21:53 PM
Mens side-Assistant job  taken care of !Now time to fill the Lady Royals Head Coach and Assistant coach or coaches!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 02, 2022, 12:59:43 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on July 01, 2022, 07:21:53 PM
Mens side-Assistant job  taken care of !Now time to fill the Lady Royals Head Coach and Assistant coach or coaches!

Augie,
  Who is it?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2022, 01:45:24 PM

According to Twitter, it's Jeff Frank.  https://twitter.com/CapEliteAgency/status/1542937715695665156?t=sOCpJpgz5nAlQcGvIACW1w&s=19
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 02, 2022, 03:20:17 PM
That it is !
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 02, 2022, 07:03:13 PM
Welcome Jeff!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 08, 2022, 03:49:42 PM
Still no announcement for  the next assistant under Danzing.He already has it up on twitter.Lets get with it Scranton Athletics.At least introduce the man to the community!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2022, 03:54:00 PM
Still no schedule from Linden Street..

but my sources tell me

Houghton, Manhattanville and York in the Hilton Invitational in November 2022.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 12, 2022, 03:58:31 PM
 They're also on Kings' schedule either New Year's day/eve afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 12, 2022, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 12, 2022, 03:54:00 PM
Still no schedule from Linden Street..

but my sources tell me

Houghton, Manhattanville and York in the Hilton Invitational in November 2022.

Negatives for SOS
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 12, 2022, 06:49:27 PM

He brings in such poor quality competition to this tournament, the Hilton should stop sponsoring the men's event.
How many times have we seen the likes of Houghton, Bard, Sarah Lawrence, and Pratt Institute?
No wonder they draw 47 fans for this.
Anything for a win I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on August 13, 2022, 12:10:16 PM
You just had Swarthmore last season! York and Scranton have had great match ups in last few years past. So each team gets a cupcake, and face in final. I'm good with that for your opening tournament.  And anyone complaining about Kings. Local game over Christmas break, who cares. Heck I was the one on here saying the Wilkes& Kings rivalries died in the MAC, and people gave me a hard time! Let's see what else the schedule looks like. My complaint will be when they play a defacto MAC schedule as they seem to often do
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 13, 2022, 03:14:14 PM
 No complaints about Kings; all that was said was that they were on the schedule. York now, however, hasn't been playing to the level of a few years ago and won't add to the SOS. The invitational tourney is the prime opportunity to choose some quality opponents and with few exceptions(Swarthmore last year and York a few years ago) the teams don't satisfy that need.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on August 13, 2022, 11:19:55 PM
I think SOS for Scranton is not a thing to worry about. It has been a long stretch since an NCAA birth.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2022, 04:27:55 PM
Well maybe at Cortland State Jan 3rd will help out that s.o.s
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2022, 04:35:21 PM
They also have PSU Harrisburg and I think Desales
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 15, 2022, 12:08:07 PM
I would be happy with the men winning the Landmark Conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 15, 2022, 02:50:54 PM

I'd be happy with them just making the Landmark playoffs.  ;)
The men's program is a shell of what it once was.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on August 17, 2022, 06:13:37 PM
Royals finally announced today that Jeff Frank is their new assistant coach.  It only took them a month and a half!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 17, 2022, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on August 17, 2022, 06:13:37 PM
Royals finally announced today that Jeff Frank is their new assistant coach.  It only took them a month and a half!  ;D

Welcome to the family Jeff, we are a neurotic weird bunch, but we are a family.!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 17, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on August 17, 2022, 06:13:37 PM
Royals finally announced today that Jeff Frank is their new assistant coach.  It only took them a month and a half!  ;D

The same statement that the schedule would be released in the coming weeks was made 3 weeks ago.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 17, 2022, 08:26:51 PM

Where is Kevin Southard, SID when we need him?
He ran the show by himself for years & nothing was ever late.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 26, 2022, 07:47:43 AM
This time next year we can all break down Landmark football as we wait for hoops season!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 27, 2022, 01:10:48 AM
 Some men's games on the schedule(released by opponents, still waiting for Scranton's release):

11//11 Houghton
11/12 York/Manhattanville
11/16 @ Wilkes
12/3 Goucher
12/7 @ F&M
12/10 PS-HBG
12/31 @ Kings
1/4 Cortland
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on August 29, 2022, 01:09:12 PM
So that leaves two maybe three non-conference games TBA. Years past they have played 24, but I believe last year scheduled for 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 29, 2022, 01:21:52 PM
 Should be 4 non con games of 11 to be released; 1(Goucher) of those mentioned above was a conference game
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on August 30, 2022, 09:10:31 AM
The post shows 8 NC games. Typically they play 10 NC. Last year had 11 on the schedule. 14 conf games.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 30, 2022, 10:21:43 AM
Nov 12  they play York or Manhattanville, not both. They schedule 25 games every year minus the 14 conference games leaves 11 non-conference games. If they only played 24 games in a season, that was because 1 scheduled game was cancelled because of weather/covid, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
 Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 08, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
So really one cupcake on the calendar and that is the first game of the season. I am okay with that. (not that my opinion matters)


Wasn't Stevens also to be an original member of the Landmark Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Yes, not only was Stevens one of the original "Interstate 8" -- it was Stevens' president that talked about it before it was ready to be announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Yes, not only was Stevens one of the original "Interstate 8" -- it was Stevens' president that talked about it before it was ready to be announced.

I'd love to hear more about this "Interstate 8"... Never heard that expression
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...

It's basically a thing of the past, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 10, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...

It's basically a thing of the past, I believe.

I've read that previously, probably by Ryan, but according to the FAQ on this site, the Lady Royals' games this coming season against Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox would NOT be regional games.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 05:01:56 PM
That would definitely be unfortunate.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 10, 2022, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Yes, not only was Stevens one of the original "Interstate 8" -- it was Stevens' president that talked about it before it was ready to be announced.

I'd love to hear more about this "Interstate 8"... Never heard that expression

"Interstate 8" was the original, unofficial name of the Landmark Conference.  Stevens was supposed to be in it initially then pulled out, which opened the door for Scranton to join.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 10, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...

It's basically a thing of the past, I believe.

I've read that previously, probably by Ryan, but according to the FAQ on this site, the Lady Royals' games this coming season against Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox would NOT be regional games.

The FAQ starts with this line;

"Practically speaking nearly all games between two full members of NCAA Division III are considered regional now."

So long as a program plays 70% of its games against teams that are "in-region" via the classic definition, then all of its games against D-III members (or third-year provisional members) are considered in-region.

Scranton will easily qualify, as do basically all teams in conferences. These are regional games.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2022, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 10, 2022, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Yes, not only was Stevens one of the original "Interstate 8" -- it was Stevens' president that talked about it before it was ready to be announced.

I'd love to hear more about this "Interstate 8"... Never heard that expression

"Interstate 8" was the original, unofficial name of the Landmark Conference.  Stevens was supposed to be in it initially then pulled out, which opened the door for Scranton to join.

Yes, news broke of this grouping before the conference had a name, and since there was no name, we referred to it as the Interstate 8.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2005/12/eight-to-form-new-league
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2006/03/stevens-ducks-out-of-i-8-for-e-8
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 11, 2022, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 10, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...

It's basically a thing of the past, I believe.

I've read that previously, probably by Ryan, but according to the FAQ on this site, the Lady Royals' games this coming season against Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox would NOT be regional games.

The FAQ starts with this line;

"Practically speaking nearly all games between two full members of NCAA Division III are considered regional now."

So long as a program plays 70% of its games against teams that are "in-region" via the classic definition, then all of its games against D-III members (or third-year provisional members) are considered in-region.

Scranton will easily qualify, as do basically all teams in conferences. These are regional games.

Pat,
   Thanks - Thought there was an overriding factor in the definition of "regional", but couldn't remember what.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 11, 2022, 12:54:08 PM
Yeah, I did remember some kind of % threshold where all games would count as in-region, but I couldn't find anything on it, so I questioned myself. Is there actual wording some place in the handbook?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 11, 2022, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 11, 2022, 12:54:08 PM
Yeah, I did remember some kind of % threshold where all games would count as in-region, but I couldn't find anything on it, so I questioned myself. Is there actual wording some place in the handbook?

70% of your games must be in region, unless you get a waiver. I believe it's in the selection criteria, because that's the only place it really applies.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 11, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 11, 2022, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 11, 2022, 12:54:08 PM
Yeah, I did remember some kind of % threshold where all games would count as in-region, but I couldn't find anything on it, so I questioned myself. Is there actual wording some place in the handbook?

70% of your games must be in region, unless you get a waiver. I believe it's in the selection criteria, because that's the only place it really applies.

Sounds like circular reasoning; suppose it were Santa Cruz that Scranton were playing; Santa Cruz doesn't play 70% of its schedule against in region opponents; Scranton does; would it be a regional game for either or both?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 11, 2022, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 11, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 11, 2022, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 11, 2022, 12:54:08 PM
Yeah, I did remember some kind of % threshold where all games would count as in-region, but I couldn't find anything on it, so I questioned myself. Is there actual wording some place in the handbook?

70% of your games must be in region, unless you get a waiver. I believe it's in the selection criteria, because that's the only place it really applies.

Sounds like circular reasoning; suppose it were Santa Cruz that Scranton were playing; Santa Cruz doesn't play 70% of its schedule against in region opponents; Scranton does; would it be a regional game for either or both?

It's not regional for either, but it counts as regional for any team that plays 70% of their games in region.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 12, 2022, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2022, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 10, 2022, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Yes, not only was Stevens one of the original "Interstate 8" -- it was Stevens' president that talked about it before it was ready to be announced.

I'd love to hear more about this "Interstate 8"... Never heard that expression


Thanks for the information and lesson! Appreciated!
"Interstate 8" was the original, unofficial name of the Landmark Conference.  Stevens was supposed to be in it initially then pulled out, which opened the door for Scranton to join.

Yes, news broke of this grouping before the conference had a name, and since there was no name, we referred to it as the Interstate 8.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2005/12/eight-to-form-new-league
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2006/03/stevens-ducks-out-of-i-8-for-e-8
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 19, 2022, 02:46:38 PM
 Royal athletics tweets thumbnail sketches on 7 basketball newcomers:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20220919klob8s
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 19, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
It also looks like Mario Rotell has finished his cup of coffee with the Royals as he is no longer on the roster.  So assuming none of the seniors return and the only attrition was Ems and Rotell, the roster will be at 15 -- 8 returners and 7 newcomers.  It will be interesting to see how the team gels and how the rotation will develop.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 19, 2022, 03:46:19 PM
 I asked Ryan in Feb @ the Etown game if Jackson was coming back and he said then everyone was coming back. We'll see; we know now that Ryan wasn't coming back.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 19, 2022, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 19, 2022, 03:46:19 PM
I asked Ryan in Feb @ the Etown game if Jackson was coming back and he said then everyone was coming back. We'll see; we know now that Ryan wasn't coming back.

We also know now that that Ryan Van Zelst wasn't coming back, either!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Did Teddy Spratt ever suit up more Millersville?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Did Teddy Spratt ever suit up more Millersville?

No he did not. Would have never seen the floor given what Casey Stitzel has done with that program.

Was a nice player at C.B. West....................but is not near the player of the former Royals players from beautiful, bucolic, Doylestown's, C.B. West.....................a former national high school football power before the scummy private schools started open enrollment, crazy and blatant recruiting and free tuition for those who can really ball out (sore spot with me here in PA............should have state playoffs similar to NJ where public schools and private schools have separate state playoffs)!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 25, 2022, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Did Teddy Spratt ever suit up more Millersville?

No he did not. Would have never seen the floor given what Casey Stitzel has done with that program.

Was a nice player at C.B. West....................but is not near the player of the former Royals players from beautiful, bucolic, Doylestown's, C.B. West.....................a former national high school football power before the scummy private schools started open enrollment, crazy and blatant recruiting and free tuition for those who can really ball out (sore spot with me here in PA............should have state playoffs similar to NJ where public schools and private schools have separate state playoffs)!!

When I was in school, PA did have separate playoffs for public and parochial schools; you have to visit the reason for the change to the current setup; there has been an explosion in the number of private schools since then.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 26, 2022, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Did Teddy Spratt ever suit up more Millersville?

No he did not. Would have never seen the floor given what Casey Stitzel has done with that program.

Was a nice player at C.B. West....................but is not near the player of the former Royals players from beautiful, bucolic, Doylestown's, C.B. West.....................a former national high school football power before the scummy private schools started open enrollment, crazy and blatant recruiting and free tuition for those who can really ball out (sore spot with me here in PA............should have state playoffs similar to NJ where public schools and private schools have separate state playoffs)!!


Thanks, apparently I need an editor for my posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ziggy on September 26, 2022, 02:31:45 PM
The-person-known-on-these-boards as KnightSlappy and I launched a D3 basketball youtube show last month (link in the sig) and one of the topics we discussed for this time leading up to the new season is a D3 basketball bucket list. We have been trying to solicit feedback for that via the YT channel and twitter but wanted to put out the call here as well as we know not everyone is connected on those platforms.

We got started with a few items of our own and some feedback from others already but are looking for as much input to consider as possible. If you have a game, venue, event, etc. you think is essential bucket list material for any D3 basketball fan please send me a private message this week and we will be sure to add it to the list. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 26, 2022, 02:50:05 PM
 Catholic gets a commit from Pg Googie Seidman, evidently followed by Ryan
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 30, 2022, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 25, 2022, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 19, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Did Teddy Spratt ever suit up more Millersville?

No he did not. Would have never seen the floor given what Casey Stitzel has done with that program.

Was a nice player at C.B. West....................but is not near the player of the former Royals players from beautiful, bucolic, Doylestown's, C.B. West.....................a former national high school football power before the scummy private schools started open enrollment, crazy and blatant recruiting and free tuition for those who can really ball out (sore spot with me here in PA............should have state playoffs similar to NJ where public schools and private schools have separate state playoffs)!!

When I was in school, PA did have separate playoffs for public and parochial schools; you have to visit the reason for the change to the current setup; there has been an explosion in the number of private schools since then.

The PIAA out in Harrisburg is spineless and stoneless. But there is an undercurrent for a change to a NJ-like public & private model...........with a big lawsuit ensuring it happens. I give it one more year in the current, disgraceful format. Let the scummy open enrollment, tri-state recruiting (you should have seen what Archbishop Wood offered C.B. South RB, Josh Adams........Notre Dame, fringe NFL RB......to transfer to Wood, he had zero interest) and free tuition schools play each other in district and state playoffs. Make PA Football Fair & Great Again!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
Scranton plays an exhibition at Haverford on November 5th...don't recall the U typically publicizing pre-season exhibitions.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 05, 2022, 11:50:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
Scranton plays an exhibition at Haverford on November 5th...don't recall the U typically publicizing pre-season exhibitions.

It's my understanding that anything(with a D3) before the season starts is a scrimmage; if it were with a D1 or D2, then it would be an exhibition game and take the place of 1 of the 2 permitted scrimmages.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 06, 2022, 07:36:36 AM

Scrimmage means it isn't a game. They might play three halves and not keep score or have coaches ref.  An exhibition is a regular game with refs, etc. that doesn't count in the standings. Opponent has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 06, 2022, 09:20:50 AM
 It does matter when the allowance is 25 games and 2 scrimmages; whether it's a game or a scrimmage will affect 1 of those 2 categories.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 06, 2022, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 06, 2022, 09:20:50 AM
It does matter when the allowance is 25 games and 2 scrimmages; whether it's a game or a scrimmage will affect 1 of those 2 categories.

It's two contests out of season, scrimmage and exhibition count the same unless they're intrasquad. If you're playing basketball against another team, you get 25 and 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 06, 2022, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
Scranton plays an exhibition at Haverford on November 5th...don't recall the U typically publicizing pre-season exhibitions.

Probably for the benefit of the 5 suburban Philly newcomers to the Scranton roster; will give an idea to their parents of the level of competition in D3 in general and for playing time @ Scranton in particular.

Saw former(1 semester) Royal Ryan Starr played last season for Neumann.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 07, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
Royals roster has been posted.  Danzig is the only super-senior returning:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 07, 2022, 05:49:39 PM
 Guessing it'll be Danzig, Braunstein, Parham, and McLoughlin in the starting lineup with Lambert, Thompson, and Merriman vying for the open spot. Wonder if any of the frosh will contend for that opening.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 10, 2022, 10:52:10 AM
https://landmarkconference.org/news/2022/9/27/09282022-lc-bball-palestra.aspx

Not sure if this was mentioned in the past. Seems like a big deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 27, 2022, 08:45:23 AM
Can someone remind me the two other teams in the Scranton Tip Off tournament and why the Royals are playing the early game?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2022, 09:17:10 AM
York and Manhattanville; allows them to leave their classes later in the day for the trip to Scranton
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: OUVan59 on October 28, 2022, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
Scranton plays an exhibition at Haverford on November 5th...don't recall the U typically publicizing pre-season exhibitions.

Susquehanna has an exhibition against Alvernia at home on 10/30 and at Lancaster Bible on 11/5.  Going to be interesting to see how those go with the River Hawks losing more than 70% of their minutes to graduation. 

And if I'm reading everything correctly the Puerto Rico Classico field is set with Scranton playing Lycoming on 12/19 and then Washington & Lee on 12/20.  With Susquehanna playing Washington & Lee and then Lycoming.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 31, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: OUVan59 on October 28, 2022, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 05, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
Scranton plays an exhibition at Haverford on November 5th...don't recall the U typically publicizing pre-season exhibitions.

Susquehanna has an exhibition against Alvernia at home on 10/30 and at Lancaster Bible on 11/5.  Going to be interesting to see how those go with the River Hawks losing more than 70% of their minutes to graduation. 

And if I'm reading everything correctly the Puerto Rico Classico field is set with Scranton playing Lycoming on 12/19 and then Washington & Lee on 12/20.  With Susquehanna playing Washington & Lee and then Lycoming.

Thank you for mentioning the Puerto Rico Classico, or I would have had to flag this post as Non Scranton related content.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 04, 2022, 02:34:50 PM

Five Pre-Season All-American teams & no sign of Jackson Danzig.
Wow!
Maybe that will light a fire under him to make one of the Post-Season teams.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Ems scored 1 point in 30 minutes as Rowan took Swathmore to the wire. Don't believe he started, Rowan also has a transfer from Lincoln University.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2022, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Ems scored 1 point in 30 minutes as Rowan took Swathmore to the wire. Don't believe he started, Rowan also has a transfer from Lincoln University.

He must have been playing great defense to have merited 30 mins of playing time in view of his pt/reb stats. Rowan is a strong contender in the NJAC and he has at least a better chance at the postseason there than the Royals winning the AQ in the Landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2022, 04:17:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 09, 2022, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Ems scored 1 point in 30 minutes as Rowan took Swathmore to the wire. Don't believe he started, Rowan also has a transfer from Lincoln University.

He must have been playing great defense to have merited 30 mins of playing time in view of his pt/reb stats. Rowan is a strong contender in the NJAC and he has at least a better chance at the postseason there than the Royals winning the AQ in the Landmark.

Ronk:

You made me double check....2 Minutes, not sure where the heck I got 30 from. ;) Early season rust I suppose.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
 The box score has him with 30 mins; looks like it's incorrect.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 10, 2022, 08:57:22 AM
Congrats to Ryan on his first career win with PSU Abington. He now has a higher winning percentage than Danzig and Bessior ! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 10, 2022, 09:36:28 AM
One of my former students is a sophomore playing for Abington after transferring from PSU-Altoona.  He's the 6'9" kid I tried to get Danzig to take a look at.

He played 10 minutes with 4 rebounds and a block (but also no points, 3 fouls and a turnover...)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2022, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on November 10, 2022, 09:36:28 AM
One of my former students is a sophomore playing for Abington after transferring from PSU-Altoona.  He's the 6'9" kid I tried to get Danzig to take a look at.

He played 10 minutes with 4 rebounds and a block (but also no points, 3 fouls and a turnover...)

I see he went to Archbishop Wood; is that where u taught. They've had some fine girl basketball prospects in recent years. Wish we had some of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 11, 2022, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 10, 2022, 09:58:14 PM

I see he went to Archbishop Wood; is that where u taught. They've had some fine girl basketball prospects in recent years. Wish we had some of them.

It doesn't say in his bio, but he transferred from Wood in the spring of his senior year (which happened to be March 2020) and reclassified at the school where I work.  We didn't have a basketball season that year so I never got to see him play, just do some workouts. 

They've had some pretty good DI men's basketball players like Rahsool Diggins and Collin Gillespie in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2022, 12:46:55 AM
 Royals come from behind with an 18-0 run to take a 59-50 lead in winning over Houghton in the Hilton  tourney. 4 frosh saw action the season opener, probably because 3 returning guards were in civvies on the sideline. No word whether they were injured, sick, or disciplined. Tried a zone defense in the 1st half but it was porous, leading to the Houghton halftime lead. Frosh Jon Spatola started at PG in their place and showed promise.
  Manhattanville tomorrow @ 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 12, 2022, 02:33:24 PM
Camera operator needs some training. Back and forth with no ryhmn or reason was making me get motion sickness.


Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: stlawus on November 16, 2022, 10:56:13 PM
Good times for Scranton world. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2022, 11:14:29 AM
Quote from: stlawus on November 16, 2022, 10:56:13 PM
Good times for Scranton world.

CUA too..

Wilkes was a battle for Scranton. I did enjoy their Play by Play guy...especially all the praise he had for the Royals...

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 18, 2022, 12:39:37 PM
I believe it was John Mendola, who does local radio and sports shows. He was good. He certainly had high praise for the Royals. I am assuming he is a local guy as he seemed to know the history of Royals Hoops
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2022, 01:58:07 PM
 If it was John Mendola, he has his own radio show, covering NEPA. I've listened to it online in the past when he's interviewed Royals' basketball HCs. Agree he did a good job on both sides of the Royals-Wilkes game.
Hoopsville plans in the near future of covering the game between twins; I'm assuming he means the Van Zelsts since they play each other 11/22. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 23, 2022, 07:12:54 AM
Ryan won the Battle of the Van Zelsts last night

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1248807
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 01, 2022, 09:29:27 PM
Men played great last night against a very good athletic team in Eastern !Eastern will be hard to beat and should take the Macc.They truly have some nice players on that team even though they are from all over the country(not sure how a small college like that gets players from London,Miami,TX etc)? But down 23 they never quit.They kept coming in waves.The Royals had a great game also. Scranton showed they can play with the athletic&physical teams ,Danzing had 23(hope nothing serious about his ankle)Brunstein 22,Mc Donogh( tuff kid) Tahaj& Jon can play with anyone.I can honestly say best recruiting class for Carl and they help right off the bench.Really like EJ-Matthew's Spratey and Khoza.So great win against a very talented team also had a Fr that lead them in scoring Zubair Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 02, 2022, 12:32:08 PM
Royals shot off the charts. The athleticism was of note for both teams. Eastern not afraid to shoot from anywhere. Their composure hurt them in the game a bit. Will be interesting to see how the Royals match up if a team has an experienced big. Young guys playing, bit of depth off the bench, and players who started season nursing injuries coming back, a good problem to have! Hopefully winning games adds butts in the seats. Should be a fun team to watch come together and develop!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2022, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on December 02, 2022, 12:32:08 PM
players who started season nursing injuries coming back, a good problem to have!


any additional insight here? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2022, 09:11:11 PM
Prayers to Jessie Krasna (Pennsbury HS / Ursinus), his two young sons and the rest of his family and Jennifer's family. Jessie lost his wife a couple of days ago after she gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. Jennifer Krasna was just 30 years old. Jennifer was an amazing wife, mother, daughter, sister and friend, as well as amazing elementary school teacher. Jessie is a wonderful elementary school teacher as well as being the head boys basketball coach at Council Rock North.

Please keep the family in your prayers. May God Bless them and take wonderful care of Jennifer as she is certainly with Him in heaven.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2022, 06:21:44 PM

Thanks jm.
Horrible news...what a terrible loss for everyone in the family.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
 Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.

Scranton the lone victor last night. I think the Diplomats only had 4 points with about 8 minutes left in the first half. They made it interesting as F & M clawed back , much like Eastern did.

Scranton has PSU-Harrisburg on Saturday, think that Assistant Coach Jeff Frank can provide some insight into his former team?

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2022, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.

Scranton the loan victor last night. I think the Diplomats only had 4 points with about 8 minutes left in the first half. They made it interesting as F & M clawed back , much like Eastern did.

Scranton has PSU-Harrisburg on Saturday, think that Assistant Coach Jeff Frank can provide some insight into his former team?

F&M was missing their best 3-pt shooter last nite and was the 5th worse foul-shooting team in the country;   both contributed to the Royals' win. Royals have to be more careful with their dribbling and passing; allowed F&M to get back into the game.
  Now 1 of 21 undefeated men's teams; could go undefeated in the non-conference schedule like they did a few years ago; that year, Scranton was the last team in the country to have a defeat by both the men's and women's teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 08, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.

Scranton the loan victor last night. I think the Diplomats only had 4 points with about 8 minutes left in the first half. They made it interesting as F & M clawed back , much like Eastern did.

Scranton has PSU-Harrisburg on Saturday, think that Assistant Coach Jeff Frank can provide some insight into his former team?

F&M was missing their best 3-pt shooter last nite and was the 5th worse foul-shooting team in the country;   both contributed to the Royals' win. Royals have to be more careful with their dribbling and passing; allowed F&M to get back into the game.
  Now 1 of 21 undefeated men's teams; could go undefeated in the non-conference schedule like they did a few years ago; that year, Scranton was the last team in the country to have a defeat by both the men's and women's teams.

Besides Scranton, I know that the men's/women's teams are also both undefeated at CNU and NYU.  Any others?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2022, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on December 08, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.

Scranton the loan victor last night. I think the Diplomats only had 4 points with about 8 minutes left in the first half. They made it interesting as F & M clawed back , much like Eastern did.

Scranton has PSU-Harrisburg on Saturday, think that Assistant Coach Jeff Frank can provide some insight into his former team?

F&M was missing their best 3-pt shooter last nite and was the 5th worse foul-shooting team in the country;   both contributed to the Royals' win. Royals have to be more careful with their dribbling and passing; allowed F&M to get back into the game.
  Now 1 of 21 undefeated men's teams; could go undefeated in the non-conference schedule like they did a few years ago; that year, Scranton was the last team in the country to have a defeat by both the men's and women's teams.

Besides Scranton, I know that the men's/women's teams are also both undefeated at CNU and NYU.  Any others?

Doesn't look like any others; NYU men @ Roanoke tourney possible next loss for the group.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Who was F & M missing?

Good to see Mason Thompson back, I am sure he'll work his way into the lineup as the year goes on.

Khoza with back-to-back good games.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2022, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Who was F & M missing?

Good to see Mason Thompson back, I am sure he'll work his way into the lineup as the year goes on.

Khoza with back-to-back good games.

FR Dylan Cormac; he was mentioned in the halftime interview.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 09, 2022, 08:46:26 AM
Not looking ahead, but Scranton - Catholic should be a lot of fun this season
16 undefeated teams left, two in the Land
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2022, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Who was F & M missing?

Good to see Mason Thompson back, I am sure he'll work his way into the lineup as the year goes on.

Khoza with back-to-back good games.

FR Dylan Cormac; he was mentioned in the halftime interview.

Thanks I couldn't watch. He only had 19 attempts so far this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2022, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2022, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Who was F & M missing?

Good to see Mason Thompson back, I am sure he'll work his way into the lineup as the year goes on.

Khoza with back-to-back good games.

FR Dylan Cormac; he was mentioned in the halftime interview.

Thanks I couldn't watch. He only had 19 attempts so far this year...

You can watch the game on a delayed basis from the F&M schedule video link; good multi-camera coverage that's closer to the action than that in the Long Center plus play-by-play commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 09, 2022, 01:54:27 PM
I was impressed with the multiple camera angles and replays. F&M did it right.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 11, 2022, 04:46:35 PM
 The offense for the Royals these days has been tweaked as evidenced by the 6 offensive fouls yesterday. They're taking it to the hoop. Will had 3 of them; he's needs some schooling; too valuable to be missing time because of offensive fouls. Recommendation: watch video of Matt Mancuso's footwork and moves in the paint and/or bring him for some personal coaching.                                 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2022, 08:27:24 AM
I don't think there is anyway to follow Scranton in Puerto Rico without a subscription to Flo Sports.

That Eastern win is looking very good, Eastern is 10-2 and just beat a Widener team featuring Susquehanna Transfer Dominic Dunn.


Scranton sitting at 38 in Massey Ratings.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 12, 2022, 05:06:34 PM

I think most Royal fans & alum are hoping that this may be the team and the year that the Royals break out of their years long slumber and finally win the Landmark & then actually win a few games in the tournament.

However, before we get excited about what may lie ahead for the Royals, we need to travel back in time 4 years ago when this board was awash with posters thinking this class of Royals was meant for far bigger and more glorious things than simple Landmark championships.

That team had that perfect combination of veteran and rookie players that were about to embark on sights never seen under the current coaching staff.

Matt Mancuso, Logan Bailey, & Kyle DeVerna were there to mentor the next group of freshmen that would be there to take them to the next level.
Those players we all had high hopes for were Jackson Danzig, Jack Brockett, Ben Bosland, & Ryan Emms. Together, this blended group of upperclassmen & big name frosh were going to get it done.

Unfortunately, as we all now know...those teams, with all that talent, never once won the Landmark let alone made it to the NCAA's.

Although the Royals are off to a fantastic start, let's remember history has shown over a 20 year sample that the chances of them continuing at this pace are extremely low to non-existent.

In fact, in the past 20 years under the current leadership, only two of his teams were listed in the D3 Hoops final Top 25 rankings.
They were the 2002/03' team which consisted of a team full of ex coach Bessior's kids at # 22 and his only other one was in 2011/12' when they finished # 15.

Beyond those two years, the Royals have had little to no national recognition when crunch time rolled around.

If the late season swoons were the exception & not the rule, then I too would have those Happy Holiday good will feelings regarding what his teams might accomplish...unfortunately, as with most movies this time of year...I've seen this one before.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 12, 2022, 08:50:36 PM
The Royals are getting some love on a few ballots this week.  Hopefully after exams they can bring that momentum to Puerto Rico.  After the good win against Eastern, I am cautiously optimistic, but with the youth on this team I'll want to see how they respond to the grind of conference play.  Where they are after that first week of January (when they play Cortland/Catholic) should be a good indication of how the balance of the season might go.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2022, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on December 08, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 08, 2022, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Informal Landmark @ Centennial challenge tomorrow with Susquehanna @ Swarthmore, Drew @ Muhlenberg, and the Royals @ F&M.

Scranton the loan victor last night. I think the Diplomats only had 4 points with about 8 minutes left in the first half. They made it interesting as F & M clawed back , much like Eastern did.

Scranton has PSU-Harrisburg on Saturday, think that Assistant Coach Jeff Frank can provide some insight into his former team?

F&M was missing their best 3-pt shooter last nite and was the 5th worse foul-shooting team in the country;   both contributed to the Royals' win. Royals have to be more careful with their dribbling and passing; allowed F&M to get back into the game.
  Now 1 of 21 undefeated men's teams; could go undefeated in the non-conference schedule like they did a few years ago; that year, Scranton was the last team in the country to have a defeat by both the men's and women's teams.

Besides Scranton, I know that the men's/women's teams are also both undefeated at CNU and NYU.  Any others?

Doesn't look like any others; NYU men @ Roanoke tourney possible next loss for the group.

And then there are 2 undefeated, after the CNU men lost to Hampden-Sydney.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
Discussion of Scranton and some other teams...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9V8akj2GE&t=598s
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2022, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
Discussion of Scranton and some other teams...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9V8akj2GE&t=598s

Thanks. There's also a new 7-min interview with Dave Martin by Fitzhenry about the fall and winter teams' successes and the Royal Way being a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2022, 09:31:08 PM
Is it on Scranton website?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2022, 10:01:22 PM
 I saw it on youtube - episode 8 of the series.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 16, 2022, 08:32:41 PM
Scary moment for Scranton commit PJ Kellachan last week as he had a seizure and collapsed on the court.  Heroic efforts by the coach and athletic trainer to revive him.  I hope this young man has a swift and lasting recovery.

https://abc7ny.com/cardiac-arrest-chaminade-high-school-basketball-player-collapses-cpr/12551477/
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2022, 09:01:20 PM
 I saw this story but didn't know he was a commit.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
 Royals' game with Lycoming tomorrow in Puerto Rico is noon(ast), 11 am(est). Video may be  a pay for; there might be online stats on the Lycoming MBB schedule. Lycoming is going all the way to Puerto Rico to play Scranton and Susquehanna; they must want to gather data on their future Landmark opponents. I'd rather play someone from another region. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 19, 2022, 01:52:14 PM
Royals played without McLoughlin (not sure why), and that definitely hurt them.  They lost on a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left after giving up an offensive rebound on a missed Lyco free throw.  So now it's just NYU as the lone pair of unbeatens.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
 Looks like Hanley was an adequate replacement for McLoughlin, but the team only shot 11 3-pters; they usually shoot that many in a half.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
He is on the trip as I look at photos...I think he has a wrist wrap.

Tough loss, hopefully it doesn't snowball.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 19, 2022, 02:51:16 PM
Nepafan I hope not!But like Satatoga said you see this same thing year after year with Carl's team!Regroup and get the W tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2022, 06:26:14 PM
https://generalssports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/play-by-play


Down 14.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 06:40:46 PM
The avalanche has begun.49-26 yikez
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 06:54:03 PM
Jackson with 3 fouls and 3 TOs, only played 9 mins. Little from Braunstein. W&L ended half on a 21-2 run.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Royals with 1st 11 pts of 2nd half; now down 51-40.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2022, 07:11:19 PM
I feel like I've seen this before.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 07:42:46 PM
Deficit cut to 8 at 1 point in 2nd half, but W&L prevails 86-72. Mason Thompson with some good active minutes. Hopefully, Will will be back after New Years for Cortland, then Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2022, 06:26:14 PM
https://generalssports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/play-by-play


Down 14.

Thanks for the notice; how did u know about this coverage?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2022, 07:52:34 PM

"I feel like I've seen this before".

We have...every single year.

The Royals mid-season swoons are as predictable as ex-lax.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2022, 08:57:44 PM
Specifically the playing well for spurts getting back into the game just enough to make it interesting.


Ronk: just happened upon the live stats after looking around a bit. The men's team had a stream on instagram as well but you couldn't make out the scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2022, 10:34:19 AM
Anyone know if McLoughlin is healthy? Not sure how severe his wrist injury was.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2022, 01:12:13 PM
For the newbies: rivalry game today @ Kings -130th renewal - started in '48 - usually 2/yr, even if nonconference - interrupted 2007-12(somebody? didn't want to play the other) - then none 2 seasons ago(covid) and cancelled last year(covid?) - formerly, 1 of the top rivalries in D3 - undeserving of a New Year's eve scheduling date with no students
Back in the day(when I played): capacity crowd at our home court(former CYC, now Lackawanna's home court) around 4000 with support from the women's colleges(Marywood & Misericordia)
Later(1st year of Long Center) hundreds turned away(including me) with the reduced capacity(2800?) Scranton city police swat team gathered for potential violence
Kings students(~30) hike the 18 miles between the campuses(evening winter time temperatures) and get a big hand when they show up at the game
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
Ronk:

Was that a bigger rivalry than Wilkes? I assume so.

They need McLoughlin back in the worse way.

JP was out today due to illness.

Spartley-Matthew was fantastic and nice to see Khouze find a rythm.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2022, 07:52:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
Ronk:

Was that a bigger rivalry than Wilkes? I assume so.

They need McLoughlin back in the worse way.

JP was out today due to illness.

Spartley-Matthew was fantastic and nice to see Khouze find a rythm.

Much bigger than Wilkes; Wilkes was just another opponent until they got good in the early '90s; then Wilkes surpassed the Kings rivalry with the help of conference titles and NCAA tourney ramifications. The Kings era I referred to was pre-D3 birth in '75.
  Looks like Will's injury is to his weaker shooting arm, so his effectiveness on his return should be less limited.
   Khoza played much more proactively today; he may have started today instead of Hanley because Kings didn't have a physical post player; Cortland with Austin Grunder on Tues may be a different story.
   Nice to see athleticism with Spatola, Parham and Spratley.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2023, 03:53:32 PM
Will is in uniform for today's game and participating in the layup drill; may be able to play. Only catching passes with one hand so maybe not.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2023, 05:01:11 PM

End of the half/end of game perimeter D still remains an issue after all these years.
Wonder what the old coach will draw up if they're ahead by 3, and Cortland has the last shot.
Foul for a 1 + 1 or play straight up?
He's been burned about 10 times with letting the opposition take the 3.
Can you teach an old coach new tricks?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Agree on the last second 3 to end the first half.

Burned by offensive rebounds, 2nd chance points.

18 second chance points,

16 more shots than the Royals.

I have seen this before.

Also what is the deal with the offensive rebounds given up? Midway through the 2nd, guy comes out of no-where to snag a offensive rebound from the royals, Cortland Makes a three on the 2nd chance.  Difference in the game.

Only good news in McLoughlin is back.

Catholic battling Mary Washington right now.. https://team1sports.com/umweagles/?bfplayvid=435466
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 03, 2023, 06:01:47 PM
So it begins  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2023, 08:51:03 PM
My forecast:

1/2 Scranton, Catholic
3 Juniata
4 Drew
5/6 Susquehanna, E-town
7 Moravian
8 Goucher
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2023, 11:24:09 AM
Always enjoy these. Nothing to disagree with.

I wonder how McLoughlin's wrist held up. He missed a few opening shots but looked good afterwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2023, 11:39:33 AM
 Will didn't seem to be bothered offensively, but allowed too many offensive rebounds(along with the rest of the team) at the other end. May have been reluctant to mix it up this early in his recovery.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2023, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 05, 2023, 11:39:33 AM
Will didn't seem to be bothered offensively, but allowed too many offensive rebounds(along with the rest of the team) at the other end. May have been reluctant to mix it up this early in his recovery.


Yes I see that more as a systemic problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 07, 2023, 05:40:38 PM
So glad I left!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 07, 2023, 05:56:00 PM
Great adjustments coming from the coaching staff down 2 at half to losing by 21 nice!Congrats to Catholic nice team
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2023, 09:23:27 PM

That must have been one heck of a halftime motivational speech Zen Master Carl gave the guys.  ::)
Once again, no second chance shots as all they do is bomb away & take off for the defensive end.
Quite the clinic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 09, 2023, 10:35:58 AM
When you can't/ don't rebound, you better make shots. Games like this, and teams like Catholic remind you that even though the game has changed, you still need guys who can rebound. Royals lack a big man yet again, and against good teams, they are going to be in trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2023, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on January 09, 2023, 10:35:58 AM
When you can't/ don't rebound, you better make shots. Games like this, and teams like Catholic remind you that even though the game has changed, you still need guys who can rebound. Royals lack a big man yet again, and against good teams, they are going to be in trouble.

We have a 6'9 kid who was Landmark Rookie of The Year, they may lack multiple big men , and play 4 men outside the three point line, but they have at least one big man.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 09, 2023, 12:35:13 PM
I agree, but your point on playing 4 outside is the point. They play as all guards. He is not your traditional 6'9" big man. Much of this is part of the evolution of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2023, 03:22:16 PM

The reality the past 20 years of Royal basketball has shown is one thing...they don't win big games.
Never have, probably never will under the current leadership.
They have had teams with great shooting guards & quality big men.
They have had untraditional post play & great wings.
They have had some exceptionally talented teams from post, to wings, to guards & about all they ever show for it is the occasional Landmark championship.
There have been few teams in the Landmark that have ever matched up well with their bigs through the years.
*Tom Bicknell
*Jason Pierce
*Luke Hawk
*Brendon Boken
*Matt Mancuso & now Will.
These kids were all tough as nails bangers & scorers.
And, with all they brought each & every game & with the various great kids that have joined them in the backcourt, these teams, instead of improving and getting better and going deeper in the tournament run, have fizzled, stalled and failed to develop.
The talent has certainly been there...the ability to take them to the next level has not.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 10, 2023, 10:16:27 AM
My question is how long before Martin does something ?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2023, 11:36:53 AM
I see that Susquehanna beat Drew this past Saturday. Never easy for the Royals in Sellinsgrove...so tonight should be interesting.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 10, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on January 10, 2023, 10:16:27 AM
My question is how long before Martin does something ?

Never happen. How many coaches have been at one school across the country this long?  They are successful and in contention yearly. It may not be the success of years past, or what many would wish. With that being said, it has been a long minute, since a title and a trip to NCAA.

I think the school is happy with being competitive in the conference, and fighting for a conference title, and 20 wins a season. NCAA is gravy then.

Look just locally at the other D3 schools. Every program would give anything to be at the level the Royals are year in, year out.

I am not taking sides, saying what appears to be so.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 10, 2023, 08:48:30 PM
Believe me if they can give Bessior the hook they can give Carl.Again (maybe you like this repeat over and over again)and to top it off he loses again in the final minutes lol
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 11, 2023, 08:39:55 AM
I am not familiar with how the Bessoir era ended

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 11, 2023, 08:48:23 AM
Just say for a man(Bessior) that did way more then Carl ever did for this mens program .Toby already had his boy for the program!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2023, 09:05:51 AM
The Lycoming loss, Catholic blow out, and giving up a 7 point lead.last night have been three brutal losses.

Saratoga is Nostradamus in his forecast this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 12, 2023, 10:46:58 PM
Great start to the season 8-0 and then the last six games 1 and 5.When Danzing teams collapse  they truly do last 6 games 1-5 .Being up 7 with 1:09 to go is just a killer to lose  against Susquehanna!So let's move on Etown men come to an empty long center and give Scranton men a run for their money.Hard to pick against the Royals but this team plays like the coach coaches/ Never seen Coach with enthusiasm or pump up his team and it will be the same tomorrow Scranton 74-Etown 70 crossing my fingers!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2023, 05:34:08 PM
Can I ask a question. Is there a strategy in basketball that you have one guy underneath and 4 guards outside the arc not going for offensive rebounds? So many one and done
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
My question is to Coach Danzing?Coach you said we are young!Let me give you facts you start Danzing-Gr Braunstein-Sr,Parland-Jr,McLoughlin-So and the only new player to start is Spatola-Fr.To me it is a cop out again!Young to me is when your 5 starters have less then 2 years together not a Gr,Sr,Jr,So,Fr.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2023, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
My question is to Coach Danzing?Coach you said we are young!Let me give you facts you start Danzing-Gr Braunstein-Sr,Parland-Jr,McLoughlin-So and the only new player to start is Spatola-Fr.To me it is a cop out again!Young to me is when your 5 starters have less then 2 years together not a Gr,Sr,Jr,So,Fr.


Last year we were young, this year we are young, and what will the mantra be next year?

For what it is worth Susquehanna starts two freshman....
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2023, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2023, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
My question is to Coach Danzing?Coach you said we are young!Let me give you facts you start Danzing-Gr Braunstein-Sr,Parland-Jr,McLoughlin-So and the only new player to start is Spatola-Fr.To me it is a cop out again!Young to me is when your 5 starters have less then 2 years together not a Gr,Sr,Jr,So,Fr.


Last year we were young, this year we are young, and what will the mantra be next year?

For what it is worth Susquehanna starts two freshman....

They replaced 2 grads(Dunn and Frauenheim) who could have played there this season but went instead to Widener and Case Western. So, Susquehanna hasn't missed a beat and, if I had known this, would have had them in 3rd place in my projection 2 weeks ago. Also, Drew, unexpectedly, doesn't have Malcolm Newman, a very good guard this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2023, 11:17:53 AM

Meanwhile....Scranton returns 4 starters from the past several years but they are somehow "young"???
Sorry, not true.
You have a veteran team yet you continue to miss every opportunity to emphasize defense.
The Royal braintrust must have taken to heart Allen Iverson's rant..."Defense is for rookies".
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 01:32:25 PM
So Drew (9-6)hits the Electric City tonight to Face Scranton (10-5)@ the Long center.One thing that caught my eye that both teams played against Lycoming Drew beat them by 30 and Scranton lost to Lyco by 3 on an offensive rebound and a wide open 3!Just can't keep bombing away and expect will to do all the rebounding if your going to play 4 guards toughen them up Danzing and make sure they rebound also not just shoot 3s!Will Mc Loughlin is getting pounded like Elphick Condron, Bicknell ,Vitkus and Bokken did in their 4 years!Scranton 70-67 fingers crossed.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2023, 04:09:15 PM

That would be John Vitkus not Virus...but I get the overall theme.  ;D

As for the men tonight...if Drew has their top scorer playing, Drew will pull out the win.
If not, the Royals probably escape.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 05:50:48 PM
Yes Vitkus!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2023, 06:05:24 PM
I'll be watching to see if the press makes another appearance. It seemed to get Etown out of their comfort zone and was the first time I have seen the Royals do it in a non-end of game scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2023, 09:43:12 AM
They pressed and let Braunstein cook.

He had a day, and Spatola playing the high post reminded me of old Bessoir sets that would have a guard in the paint.

Doesn't get any easier against Juniata.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2023, 02:04:03 PM
 Royals will honor '83 NCAA champs 4 feb(Catholic game day); there's a 25 min hilite video clickable from the announcement; youtube video of Widener 3OT tourney victory also shows up separately.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2023, 06:21:06 PM

Those guys will be horrified when they see 750 fans show up for this game when they played before 3,000 each game in the Long Center.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2023, 06:32:27 PM
 There will be an alumni game that day @ 11 AM so the '83ers will be able to ask them what happened wrt student and community support in the intervening years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 21, 2023, 12:50:19 AM
Community support -When you dont have that product like bessior had you have no community support.Truthfully the Men's basketball program has went way down hill the last 20 + years!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 22, 2023, 04:47:47 PM
What to say about the Royals?They are just getting out hustled in every game(I know we are young,Every team plays their A game etc etc)we can go on but this problem has been happening every year -(They start out great and then the collapse!) 8-0 to 3-6 I know conference play is not easy but same mistake after mistake is happening every game your getting outrebounded and that is leading them to get more 2nd chance pts in a game. Juniata outrebounded 37-25 2nd chance pts 9 Juniata 3 Scranton and you lose by 6.Just  look at how many times we get outrebounded and 2nd chance pts compared to other teams.This is what happens when you have kids that just want to shoot and not rebound or even follow your shot.This is fundamental basketball and Will can't do it himself !Sorry just a frustrated 40 year fan that has seen this program go from National powerhouse to this..SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2023, 04:58:52 PM
 In addition to Juniata outrebounding, it seemed that they also had easier, closer, less contested shots on offense. Also, when one's best shooter(Braunstein) takes fewer shots than any other starter, it's time to incorporate some set plays(screens) to free him up for more shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 22, 2023, 06:17:53 PM
Agree 100% Ronk
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 22, 2023, 08:50:07 PM

Set plays??
Like the women run??
The ones that lead to second chance shots??
Clearly not in Danzig's playbook...sounds a little too complicated.

Juniata showed what a team can do that incorporates all the little things that make average teams much better than they are on paper.
Scranton, on the other hand, proves that very good talent can quickly become milquetoast when they become predictable on offense & refuse to play defense throughout an entire game.

Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2023, 09:19:37 AM
Yikes....trouble in Royalville.

If the playoffs start today Scranton would be right back at Juniata...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2023, 11:05:01 AM

Scranton better hope the playoffs start today.
Otherwise, there is a very real possibility that by the end of the season, without some serious improvement, they'll be missing the Landmark playoffs for the second straight year.
When this program can't even be one of the top 4 teams in the conference, then there are serious issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 23, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
https://youtu.be/p0ZnQuvRcB8  Great atmosphere in D3

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 23, 2023, 09:03:49 PM
Nice piece put together for the 1983 Royals (National title game against Wittenberg at Calvin and the 1983 season ) Billy Bessior used the glass the best.Today I don't think the kids use it that much.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 24, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
As I am often a defender of the program compared to where other programs are locally and nationally, I feel this stretch has broken me. It truly is the same few ways of being out played, disciplined, and most of all coached game in, game out. All of the points in the previous posts cover it the perfectly. They are not disciplined, they turn it over way too much, rebounding is foreign language. Their best shooter didn't/ couldn't get the ball early in that game. I also add in how many close looks they miss. That has gone on for years as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 24, 2023, 05:10:56 PM
 Great,
   Hang in there! I perceive that the newcomers who are playing the most, don't care for the taste of losing basketball and will correct some of those ills. Look for 1 loss max in the rest of the schedule. May be hope over experience, though.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 24, 2023, 06:15:20 PM
I don't want to be Debbie Downer here Ronk but no way in hell is this team going 7-1 with this upcoming schedule.It will be hard just getting out of Bethlehem tomorrow night.Never mind Drew and Etown on the road and Catholic and Juniata at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2023, 06:37:30 PM
Great,

What brought you to the dark side? LOL.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2023, 08:28:10 PM

And....
let's not forget another game with Frank & the River Hawks.
Zen Master needs to revise lesson plans for his grasshoppers.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 25, 2023, 11:13:07 AM
Mens game rescheduled for tomorrow at 7pm in Bethlehem!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
On a rare positive note Scranton recruit P.J. Kellachan is back playing basketball and went for 8 points and 10 rebounds in what I believe was his first game back after collapsing at practice.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 26, 2023, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2023, 06:37:30 PM
Great,

What brought you to the dark side? LOL.

haha tuning in and seeing the team lose on what is largely being out coached and not making adjustments
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2023, 02:40:16 PM

Great Day:
Yep...understand.
After 20 years of watching it happen, it still doesn't make it any easier to watch game after game.
At least the Zen Master walks the side lines with notes to himself this year.
Words of thought for the team tonight...
Guys, tonight I want you to, "Just be the ball, be the ball, be the ball".
Sounds like a solid game plan.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on January 26, 2023, 07:14:23 PM
First 5 minutes of basketball, and I had to turn it off. That was brutal to watch. I'll crawl back in a moment ha
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2023, 07:23:39 PM
Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours.

+1 Great...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 26, 2023, 10:04:39 PM
Like I said lucky if they get by in Bethlehem.I did not see the men because I was at the ladies game.All I know a 6-11 team went into O.T. with Carl Danzing team and did it surprise me No way!But congrats to the guys for coming back and winning it in O.T.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2023, 11:30:38 PM
 Remarkable number of unforced turnovers by both teams, despite the absence of quality defense. Post play for the Royals was strong on finishing but weak on receiving the pass(6 TOs) and only 2 defensive rebounds.
  Royals move a game closer to 1st place but now trail 2 teams instead of 1(Juniata). Entering the 2nd half of conference play with the 4 strongest teams all at home and the 3 weakest on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 27, 2023, 10:39:22 AM
Ronk also another game Out rebounded and 2nd chance pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 28, 2023, 08:37:10 PM
How many turned the game off when Goucher took the Lead 58-53(Me).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2023, 09:31:38 PM

Oh, ye of little faith.  ;)
Personally, I turned it off once the ladies game was over.
And, from the look of things...most of the crowd left then as well.
No need for any additional self-flagellation by watching the men barely pull out a win vs. a team with 2 W's all year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 28, 2023, 11:32:21 PM
Saratoga agree it was not good for the men even though they won.Only reason I say this is because 19 games in the same things keep happening.I can see if they improved on them but it is the same results.Turnovers 19 that turned into 23 pts off of turnovers and that 2nd chance pts Goucher had 14pts Scranton 6pts.Frankie and Susquehanna will eat that up if Carl keeps allowing this to happen.Needs to be more aggressive rebounding and stop bombing away.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2023, 08:34:42 AM
We all know how this is going to play out.

That game was there for Goucher..2-15 Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2023, 06:43:41 PM

Since we continually see the Royal's falling short year after year with excessive turnovers and the lack of second or, God forbid, 3rd. chance shots, I just went & checked how the guys in purple did last season compared to all other D-3 programs in terms of offensive rebounding.

Well, much to my surprise  ::), out of 411 D-3 programs sponsoring basketball last season, the Royal's were 410th!!!

Essentially, the absolute worst offensive rebounding team in all of D-3 & this has been going on year, after year, after year.

Probably time we stop expecting certain things to change when it becomes crystal clear the man in charge has no clue how to improve or prepare his kids in this regard.

Sorry, you don't win big games or pull upsets when you won't or can't give yourself secondary opportunities.

What a great distinction.




Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2023, 07:03:08 PM
 That's because the Royals shoot so well that there are limited opportunities to offensive rebound.  ::) A more serious deficiency is the number of offensive rebounds allowed, a better indicator of defensive effort and technique.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2023, 10:44:58 PM

Update 2023:

In games through Jan. 30th. out of 411 D-3 teams...
The Royals are dead last in offensive rebounding at # 411.
In overall rebounding (offensive + defensive), we are doing decidedly better...we're at 406.  ;D
Scranton is not a small team...you almost have to work really hard at being this bad.
Coaching matters!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2023, 08:33:37 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 30, 2023, 10:44:58 PM

Update 2023:

In games through Jan. 30th. out of 411 D-3 teams...
The Royals are dead last in offensive rebounding at # 411.
In overall rebounding (offensive + defensive), we are doing decidedly better...we're at 406.  ;D
Scranton is not a small team...you almost have to work really hard at being this bad.
Coaching matters!


Can you send me the link please?

Dave Martin please pick up the white courtesy telephone....
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2023, 09:00:52 AM
Congrats to Jackson Danzig who had a night last night. 32 points, multiple takes to the rim for two handed dunks, leading the Royals to a win against Susquehanna.

Would be nice to see the student section filled to honor the 83 team, or at least more than the 7 kids there last night ;)

Royals had one offensive rebound in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2023, 12:17:31 AM
 Saturday's games:
Catholic @ Scranton  honoring '83 ncaa champs @ halftime; alumni game @ 11
Etown @ Moravian
Drew @ Susquehanna
Juniata @ Goucher  will Goucher get its 1st conference win?

Catholic tweeting that they're only program in D3 undefeated on road for men and women - should change tomorrow!
Royals currently #7 in mock regional rankings

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2023, 01:19:17 AM
 25-min review of Scranton's '83 NCAA championship season with a lot of video of the championship game; there's also a link to click on of the radio call of the regional 3OT victory over Widener w simultaneous photos from the season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ZnQuvRcB8

some notes:
  Bill Bessoir MVP of final 4, son of coach Bob Bessoir - many banked 18' jump shots - played 1st year @ D1 South Carolina
  Todd Bailey  father of recent star Logan Bailey  played @ Keystone JC before transferring to Scranton
  Mark Hutchinson  1 of 4 starters on the 2 Scranton NCAA championship teams from Holy Ghost Prep, 3 on the '76
  no 3-pt line
  photo shots of Mayor James McNulty, classmate of mine @ Scranton
  John Clark  analyst of championship game - 1 of all time great ballers of my high school  - coach of St Francis(PA)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 04, 2023, 05:49:51 PM
Patheticccccccccc GAME COACH!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 04, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
Never thought I would say this but it is so depressing watching this guy coach.I mean 35 3 pointers tonight wth is the defense?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2023, 08:05:14 PM
Hey come on, they only hit 17 of 35.....
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 04, 2023, 08:16:11 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
This game was essentially defined by the last play of the first half.
The Royals are down 12 with the ball & 29 seconds left.
They hold outside until 10 seconds then feed into the post & they force an off balance shot which is rebounded by Catholic with 5 seconds left.
One quick pass to a player on the wing, a second perfect pass to their outlet streaking to the hoop and in the blink of an eye, they score at the buzzer for what is now a 14 point lead.
Same horrible basketball, different day.

In tomorrow's class we'll dissect the Royal's Hall of Fame "Perimeter Defense" and how it makes so many average teams look so good.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2023, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 04, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
This game was essentially defined by the last play of the first half.
The Royals are down 12 with the ball & 29 seconds left.
They hold outside until 10 seconds then feed into the post & they force an off balance shot which is rebounded by Catholic with 5 seconds left.
One quick pass to a player on the wing, a second perfect pass to their outlet streaking to the hoop and in the blink of an eye, they score at the buzzer for what is now a 14 point lead.
Same horrible basketball, different day.

In tomorrow's class we'll dissect the Royal's Hall of Fame "Perimeter Defense" and how it makes so many average teams look so good.

Had to be a big deflator heading into the locker room at halftime; you're supposed to shoot with enough time to offensive rebound and try again but not enough time for the defense to score at the other end; the player chose otherwise - 6 secs was too early to shoot; when will they learn?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 04, 2023, 11:22:17 PM
Ronk not being a smart ass but offensive rebound everyone of them run away from the basket except Spatola(smallest dude on the court but can jump).It has been a long 22 years of this same style and you keep saying maybe next year and that year never comes.Seriously the last great team I saw at the U was the 1993 team.I can't even stay and watch them anymore.We can't keep hiding the fact and they do it well at the U with the write up of how the game went tonight.9-1  to start the game never in it at all!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2023, 12:58:17 PM

Well, once again our current men's coach gives an absolute BS line to Scott Walsh, Sports Editor with the Scranton Times/Tribune that one of the reasons the Royals lost yesterday to Catholic is because, drum roll please..."we're young".

In fact, this is his actual quote:
"They've (Catholic) got kids that have been playing there for 4 years".
"We're young and growing and aspire to be where they're at
".

What a totally bogus excuse.
The fact is, Catholic starts the following:

*Herbert-Freshman
*Nealon-Soph.
*Buckley-Soph.
*Kelly-Jr.
*Heifmeister-Jr.

So please explain how these kids have been playing together for "4 years"?

Meanwhile, his team starts the following:
*Danzig-Grad student (5th. year)
*McLoughlin-Soph.
*Braunstein-Senior
*Parland-Jr.
*Spatola-Freshman

The Royals clearly have the more experienced team so their current coach really needs to stop with these yearly lame excuses of poor us, we're young.
You're not!

The simple reality is you were, out-played, out-hustled, & yet again, out-coached.

The patently false claims of youthful indiscretion are not a good look.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 01:45:37 PM
Well said Saratoga!!I was going to mention that about Catholics youth and Danzings BS .It is about time to pull the plug on this guy.Martin was at the game yesterday to give out awards to the 83 team and to see that kind of game was an embarrassment.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2023, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 05, 2023, 12:58:17 PM

Well, once again our current men's coach gives an absolute BS line to Scott Walsh, Sports Editor with the Scranton Times/Tribune that one of the reasons the Royals lost yesterday to Catholic is because, drum roll please..."we're young".

In fact, this is his actual quote:
"They've (Catholic) got kids that have been playing there for 4 years".
"We're young and growing and aspire to be where they're at
".

What a totally bogus excuse.
The fact is, Catholic starts the following:

*Herbert-Freshman
*Nealon-Soph.
*Buckley-Soph.
*Kelly-Jr.
*Heifmeister-Jr.

So please explain how these kids have been playing together for "4 years"?

Meanwhile, his team starts the following:
*Danzig-Grad student (5th. year)
*McLoughlin-Soph.
*Braunstein-Senior
*Parland-Jr.
*Spatola-Freshman

The Royals clearly have the more experienced team so their current coach really needs to stop with these yearly lame excuses of poor us, we're young.
You're not!

The simple reality is you were, out-played, out-hustled, & yet again, out-coached.

The patently false claims of youthful indiscretion are not a good look.

+1 for doing this research. I was going to do it myself, but you saved me the trouble. Coach Kelly at CUA has done a great job in 4 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 08, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
Well Scranton men take on Drew in Madison tonight any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
 Looking for a victory @ Drew - too many Royals from NJ that won't want to lose in front of family and friends.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 08, 2023, 03:11:29 PM
The Royals still getting plenty of love from the voters in terms of regional rankings, and those who are contributors on other platforms discussions regional rankings. Skating right on the line. Would still think they need to win the conference to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 08, 2023, 04:37:14 PM
Great- yes indeed!This is in Alphabetical order at 14-7  the only way they get in is by winning the Landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 08, 2023, 04:37:49 PM
Should be tough in Madison tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 08, 2023, 04:40:05 PM
I think they should win tonight at Drew.  Not confident, but I think it's more likely than not.  This is a winnable game, and they need to bounce back after Saturday's loss.

As far as NCAA tourney chances, I agree they need to win the Landmark tournament.  If they win out the season but don't win the Landmark tournament, that puts them at best 19-8.  I don't think that's good enough to get in the NCAA tourney this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2023, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 08, 2023, 03:11:29 PM
The Royals still getting plenty of love from the voters in terms of regional rankings, and those who are contributors on other platforms discussions regional rankings. Skating right on the line. Would still think they need to win the conference to get in.

Holding onto that early season success?  Had some good wins early on in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 08, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
Perhaps parity is real. The clip I saw was keeping Scranton high bc of SOS. I still think they need to win conf, but nice to see people think they are good. They have certainly showed plenty of signs they are good. See what tonight brings on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2023, 11:35:20 AM
Enjoyable game with my diminished expectations.

EJ is a stud.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2023, 04:55:16 PM
 Like EJ also - last nite, a couple of pass fakes with the ball against overplaying defenders - not done enough by others at this level; the way he takes it to the hoop, just has to learn when to abort such a move(part of a frosh learning experience); defended McBurnie adequately when the other bigs were in foul trouble; willing to take the big shot at the end of regulation.
  Would like to see Matt Hanley get more time, especially with Will hobbled.
  Path to a tourney berth is in their hands; they have the ability to win out from here.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
 Royals tweet great day to be a royal - who? the search begins
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2023, 11:03:47 PM
5 foot center out of Maryland!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2023, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2023, 04:55:16 PM
Like EJ also - last nite, a couple of pass fakes with the ball against overplaying defenders - not done enough by others at this level; the way he takes it to the hoop, just has to learn when to abort such a move(part of a frosh learning experience); defended McBurnie adequately when the other bigs were in foul trouble; willing to take the big shot at the end of regulation.
  Disappointed with the senior play(7 TOs and a tech); he has All-American ability but not the discipline expected after 5 years; he did make a great play saving a bad pass to him from being another TO.
  Would like to see Matt Hanley get more time, especially with Will hobbled.
  Path to a tourney berth is in their hands; they have the ability to win out from here.

Yes pass fake was impressive. Agree some carelessness with the ball during the game. Drew kept up pressure through out the game. Also noticed a Drew student was booted from what are very close seats under the far hoop. Game was paused for a minute or so as the AD asked him to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 11, 2023, 08:10:42 PM
Scranton starts out the game on a 16-0 run and holds off to beat E-Town today.  That, coupled with Juniata's win over Moravian establishes the 4 teams in the playoffs.  There's still some jockeying for position, though...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2023, 01:29:17 AM
 Looks like anything is still possible with the seedings with 2 games remaining, but the probable is #1 Catholic hosting Juniata and #2 Susquehanna hosting Scranton in the semis.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2023, 08:28:36 PM
 
Believe somebody mentioned to me months ago(online or in-person?) that Bob Bessoir's granddaughter(Bill's daughter) is playing for UCLA so I just looked her up - R-Soph starting for #16 UCLA after missing last season with an injury. Haven't watched them play yet but I'll check them out in the future if only to see if she banks her jumpers like her dad did.









Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 14, 2023, 09:21:29 PM
I've watched her play a couple of times; I don't remember her banking any jumpers. :)

In other news, the first numerical regional rankings came out.  After being in last week's alphabetical listing, Scranton and Eastern have been replaced by Susquehanna and Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 14, 2023, 08:28:36 PM

Believe somebody mentioned to me months ago(online or in-person?) that Bob Bessoir's granddaughter(Bill's daughter) is playing for UCLA so I just looked her up - R-Soph starting for #16 UCLA after missing last season with an injury. Haven't watched them play yet but I'll check them out in the future if only to see if she banks her jumpers like her dad did.
Billy was great at that Ronk. Only two other players used the bank like that at the U- Jason Hoppy and Jason Fisher.Yes Billy's daughter goes to UCLA and I think his son plays Pros in Germany.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:56:23 PM
Since we are talking about former players. Just looked it up to see about Dr Matthew and Jackie Cusanos son. Sean is going to and he already signed with Chatoonoga.Big kid 6ft 9 averages 16pts a game,big body is exactly what the U needs inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
So with Susquehanna winning and Catholic getting beat at Juniata Susquehanna will be #1 Catholic #2 and Scranton and Juniata play Saturday at the Long center for a tiebreaker.But if im Scranton I don't want to play Catholic first round.So finish 4th and go to Susquehanna might be easier path to the Championship game.Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 09:26:57 PM

Scranton may certainly lose to Juniata Saturday but it won't be by design.
The Royals need every win they can get in the very slim hopes at a Pool C should they not win the Landmark outright.
And really...whether it's at Catholic or Susquehanna, does it really even matter?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2023, 09:31:25 PM
Moravian has two young players that are going to be disruptive in the league for the next for years.


Big crowd at the Long Center tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 09:26:57 PM

Scranton may certainly lose to Juniata Saturday but it won't be by design.
The Royals need every win they can get in the very slim hopes at a Pool C should they not win the Landmark outright.
And really...whether it's at Catholic or Susquehanna, does it really even matter?
Just looking for some hope Saratoga lol!I think we matchup better with Susquehanna then Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2023, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 09:26:57 PM

Scranton may certainly lose to Juniata Saturday but it won't be by design.
The Royals need every win they can get in the very slim hopes at a Pool C should they not win the Landmark outright.
And really...whether it's at Catholic or Susquehanna, does it really even matter?
Just looking for some hope Saratoga lol!I think we matchup better with Susquehanna then Catholic.

I agree; the Royals have lost easily to Catholic twice plus they could avoid both the long midweek bus trip by playing @ Susquehanna and me making the local trip to Catholic, also. Hope they check out how Juniata was able to beat Catholic so easily tonite.
  Coach again gives the opponent the chance to tie the game with a 3-pt lead by not fouling before the 3-pt attempt. I go with the stats that say foul in that situation.
  Against the press, I'd rather have Braunstein inbounding to Spatola; Jon is more athletic at receiving the inbound and escaping the double-team.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2023, 08:54:16 AM
Fair point Ronk, Spatola also leads the conference in assist to turnover ratio....
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 03:35:34 PM
 Dean said at beginning of women's game today that the men's winner will have the 3rd seed and the loser the 4th; in reality, if Catholic loses today, then Juniata would be the 2nd seed with a win.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2023, 06:26:42 PM
No senior starters?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 18, 2023, 07:49:42 PM
Braunstein's the only senior on the roster.  Jack Lambert is no longer on the roster, and Ryan Ems was the only other member of that recruiting class, and he transferred to Rowan.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 08:18:58 PM

Speaking of Jack...boy he was never given a chance by the Zen Master.
The kid scored over 2,000 points in HS but yet couldn't find minutes with this powerhouse??
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: stlawus on February 18, 2023, 08:31:36 PM
I was about to comment on Lambert.  I've tried to keep my eye on him ever since I saw him drop 53 in a NY state final four game which broke Adonal Foyle's single game record.  Pretty surprised to see he didn't get much of a shot at Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2023, 08:40:53 PM
Sorry guys I didn't realize he wasn't on the roster.


He did have some minutes this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 08:54:21 PM
stlawus:

I believe he was also the NYS Small School Player of the Year.
Saw him play at the arena in Binghamton his Senior year & he was hitting from every spot on the floor.
When I saw he was going to attend the UofS, I thought he'd be a starter by mid-way of his freshman year & that Danzig pulled off some serious recruiting magic.
In the immortal words of Lee Corso...not so fast my friends!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2023, 09:30:35 PM
Only at Scranton with this Coach can you have a kid score 2k points and sit on the bench for four years while his 3 kids started since day one.I can see Ross starting but the other two not so fast!Carl would Start Ethan over Jordan.Im sorry 22 years I have been watching this program under this guy decline from what it once was a powerhouse in D3 and one other thing I have seen more kids leave this program then I ever seen under Bessiors tenure.AD Name the court after Bessior/Strong!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 06:05:57 PM
Well the Royals travel to Catholic tomorrow night.I would love for the men to get a victory tomorrow night.Hopefully they prove all US HATERS wrong.Im  only speaking for myself never once did i say I hated this team and I never would. My family and I have been following this program since the 70s for them, 80s for me (Away and Home games and much more)Very supportive of the teams at  the UofS .So to the Zen master itself to say haters go home- I do.But it's not because I don't want to watch the kids (Mens basketball)play it's because for the last 22 years the Coach has been Mediocre at best and it gets old you got it Zen master.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 07:13:26 PM

Ok, so now the Royal braintrust is succumbing to calling those that question certain in game strategy "haters".
That is so rich & honestly, predictable.
Not one person on this board wants the kids to struggle, fail, or lose.
Rooting for your alma mater now means blind allegiance when the same mistakes are made year after year?
It now means making it to the NCAA's once every 6 or 7 years is fine?
Sorry, this program has gone from a National power, to a Regional average team, to one that barely commands respect locally.
Many people I know that followed Royal basketball in the past have all moved on to other pursuits, not because of "hating" the kids but because of seeing a product that in no way resembles the Royal basketball they grew to love.
The Scranton brand was handed over on a silver platter, make something out of it by using your energy improving your team as opposed to creating some divisive nonsense...the entire Royal family deserves better.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2023, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 07:13:26 PM

Ok, so now the Royal braintrust is succumbing to calling those that question certain in game strategy "haters".
That is so rich & honestly, predictable.
Not one person on this board wants the kids to struggle, fail, or lose.
Rooting for your alma mater now means blind allegiance when the same mistakes are made year after year?
It now means making it to the NCAA's once every 6 or 7 years is fine?
Sorry, this program has gone from a National power, to a Regional average team, to one that barely commands respect locally.
Many people I know that followed Royal basketball in the past have all moved on to other pursuits, not because of "hating" the kids but because of seeing a product that in no way resembles the Royal basketball they grew to love.
The Scranton brand was handed over on a silver platter, make something out of it by using your energy improving your team as opposed to creating some divisive nonsense...the entire Royal family deserves better.

Don't know what this refers to, in particular; possibly, someone on the staff is perusing this board, At any rate, they adopted my recent(before the Juniata game) suggestion to inbound during pressing situations to Spatola rather than having him inbound to others.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2023, 10:43:38 PM
 Matt Snyder has the Royals 7th in region 5 before the next regional rankings with WP of .720, SOS of .532, and non conference SOS of .565. If they beat Catholic on the road and lose to Susquehanna on the road, their WP will be .700 and their SOS could rise to .540, giving them a longshot chance of a Pool C selection. Victories by Stevens and Eastern tonight will boost the noncon SOS.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 08:18:17 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2023, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 07:13:26 PM

Ok, so now the Royal braintrust is succumbing to calling those that question certain in game strategy "haters".
That is so rich & honestly, predictable.
Not one person on this board wants the kids to struggle, fail, or lose.
Rooting for your alma mater now means blind allegiance when the same mistakes are made year after year?
It now means making it to the NCAA's once every 6 or 7 years is fine?
Sorry, this program has gone from a National power, to a Regional average team, to one that barely commands respect locally.
Many people I know that followed Royal basketball in the past have all moved on to other pursuits, not because of "hating" the kids but because of seeing a product that in no way resembles the Royal basketball they grew to love.
The Scranton brand was handed over on a silver platter, make something out of it by using your energy improving your team as opposed to creating some divisive nonsense...the entire Royal family deserves better.

Don't know what this refers to, in particular; possibly, someone on the staff is perusing this board, At any rate, they adopted my recent(before the Juniata game) suggestion to inbound during pressing situations to Spatola rather than having him inbound to others.  ;)


Ronk:

The Royal Basketball page had a post regarding the "haters" and a response from someone connected to the program about haters move on. I am paraphrasing.  Maybe they are trying to cultivate an us against the world mentality.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 08:45:09 AM
What page is this on?

Hopefully the Royals stay hot. Winners of 7 of 8. Tough to go to Catholic and win, but as the cliché goes, "tough to beat a team three times". Would be wonderful to get a win there, and see Juniata knock off Susq for a home conference final! Go Royals!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 08:52:11 AM
sorry missed an important word...Instagram.

I promise oversight was not intentional.

How do you prepare for a team that has beaten you twice pretty handedly?

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
I just looked at the clip, then found the podcast it refers to which is a Juniata men's basketball podcast. Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country. Have to give respect to anyone who is taking their time to talk small college athletics. They were simply poking fun at nicknames of programs in the conference. Watch his clips. They are funny.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
I just looked at the clip, then found the podcast it refers to which is a Juniata men's basketball podcast. Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country. Have to give respect to anyone who is taking their time to talk small college athletics. They were simply poking fun at nicknames of programs in the conference. Watch his clips. They are funny.

Ha how about that. I had no idea they had a podcast, and the nickname bit was pretty good.


Are you telling me it always isn't about us? Good interaction from the Scranton and Juniata Athletics Department. haha.

My apologies for manufacturing drama.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2023, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
I just looked at the clip, then found the podcast it refers to which is a Juniata men's basketball podcast. Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country. Have to give respect to anyone who is taking their time to talk small college athletics. They were simply poking fun at nicknames of programs in the conference. Watch his clips. They are funny.

Ha how about that. I had no idea they had a podcast, and the nickname bit was pretty good.


Are you telling me it always isn't about us? Good interaction from the Scranton and Juniata Athletics Department. haha.

My apologies for manufacturing drama.

We didn't have a drama course @ Scranton when I attended.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
I just looked at the clip, then found the podcast it refers to which is a Juniata men's basketball podcast. Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country. Have to give respect to anyone who is taking their time to talk small college athletics. They were simply poking fun at nicknames of programs in the conference. Watch his clips. They are funny.

Ha how about that. I had no idea they had a podcast, and the nickname bit was pretty good.


Are you telling me it always isn't about us? Good interaction from the Scranton and Juniata Athletics Department. haha.

My apologies for manufacturing drama.
Not at all.Believe me maybe it was part of this statement.But truthfully it is there.The former AD hated it when you talked about his choice(believe me they read this forum).I have been on many sides of it.So believe me when the zen master is talking about haters.She takes that play from the playbook of the former AD.Just saying.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 11:50:20 AM
On tomorrow nights game what is the line?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 12:32:41 PM
Sounds like you guys need to start a Royal podcast
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 01:02:33 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:39 PM
So if Scranton can limit Catholics 3s from 35 to 18 in the game and play better man to man(tighter)they have a good chance to keep it close and win.Good luck Royals in DC
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2023, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country.

Assuming that is facetious. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2023, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 12:32:41 PM
Sounds like you guys need to start a Royal podcast

1st Guest is our own Coach Carl Danzig!

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 02:34:38 PM
2nd regional rankings came out.Catholic is behind Susquehanna both are #6,#7 in this week's regional rankings.So just by looking at that if Catholic doesn't win out or any Landmark team involved. Your not going to the big dance.I thought Catholic would get in with that record alone but it looks like no.So only one Landmark team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2023, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 21, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
Tom Frank is host, and he states they are the longest running DIII podcast in country.

Assuming that is facetious. :)

I did say "states". That is up to you guys to argue out! 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 02:34:38 PM
2nd regional rankings came out.Catholic is behind Susquehanna both are #6,#7 in this week's regional rankings.So just by looking at that if Catholic doesn't win out or any Landmark team involved. Your not going to the big dance.I thought Catholic would get in with that record alone but it looks like no.So only one Landmark team this year.

Same as every year, 1 team in. I was watching that other D3 Hoops podcast and the head coach of Catholic was hinting that they needed to win out to get in.

Could be the last game in a Royal uniform for any Danzig.

Ronk you going to have the Women's game on your phone while in attendance?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 09:59:34 AM
The conference has been a multi-bid league before, even a 3 bid league. This year, only the AQ would be worthy of NCAA play. They all seemed to beat up on one another. As I said earlier, parity is real, especially the top 4 in the conf. Cath played a weak non-conf and that would hurt them in an at-large spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2023, 11:04:28 AM

This season is another microcosm of so many we've seen before.
The talent is there, just too many losses & tight games against very average teams.
Always seem to put themselves in the position of having to be the AQ or nothing.
I mean Danzig, Stephan B., Parland, Will, CJ & Spitola...there is some serious fire power there.
However, unless & until they play defense with a purpose, they will continue to lose games they should win.
Here's hoping this very offensively talented group plays a complete game & pulls this one out.


Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2023, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 02:34:38 PM
2nd regional rankings came out.Catholic is behind Susquehanna both are #6,#7 in this week's regional rankings.So just by looking at that if Catholic doesn't win out or any Landmark team involved. Your not going to the big dance.I thought Catholic would get in with that record alone but it looks like no.So only one Landmark team this year.

Same as every year, 1 team in. I was watching that other D3 Hoops podcast and the head coach of Catholic was hinting that they needed to win out to get in.

Could be the last game in a Royal uniform for any Danzig.

Ronk you going to have the Women's game on your phone while in attendance?

My phone(flip) doesn't have the capability; it would detract from the in-person experience of the men's game.  ;) I'll just watch the women's game as if it were live when I get home afterwards and maybe the Juniata-Susque game if the Royals men win.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2023, 12:52:18 PM

So you still have the official James T. Kirk phone flip with the Buster Brown decoder?? 
Maybe next year you can upgrade to a BlackBerry.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 08:28:58 PM
What a win on the road! You haters motivated!  ;D
A complete team win! Way to go, Royals!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 22, 2023, 08:42:04 PM
Great win by the Royals!  The freshmen came up big down the stretch to ice it.

Juniata also comes up with the road upset, so the Royals host on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 08:47:38 PM
wow, yes Spatola and EJ had big time games. Congrats to Coach Danzig on win 400. I wasn't able to watch but will do so now and look for Ronk storming the court after the game.

Is CUA bubble burst?

#haters4scranton
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 09:04:41 PM
I second that Nepafan Congrats to Coach and this team!!!!!So double header at the U please 6 and 8 or 5 and 7 -not 2 and 4.Great job to the coaching staff, way to have these kids ready.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 09:12:20 PM
Augie,

Check out what CUA did from 3 point land...3 for 18...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Would love to see two night games. Let the Rowdy Royal student section get a bit warmed up!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Agreed...all present & accounted for on the great win.
Perimeter D was greatly improved.
Still concerned about their rebounding but they live for another day.
The basketball God's gave them an opening with the Juniata win that's for sure.
Bail money needed for Ronk as he's sitting on the rim at Franny Murray & won't get down.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Would love to see two night games. Let the Rowdy Royal student section get a bit warmed up!

Seriously can we get some kids in the student section. Both teams deserve it.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 09:23:27 PM
The kids usually turn out for the conf finals. Hope to see an old school Long Center Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 22, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Would love to see two night games. Let the Rowdy Royal student section get a bit warmed up!
That was great plan.Great call Augue lol
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2023, 09:26:43 PM
Games at 5 & 7 will draw more than their typical 2 & 4 nonsense.
Who gets the later game?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 09:41:18 PM
I think guys!! Women played first all year in the double headers.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 10:19:30 PM
2/430 it is. No excuses. Fill the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2023, 08:47:38 PM
wow, yes Spatola and EJ had big time games. Congrats to Coach Danzig on win 400. I wasn't able to watch but will do so now and look for Ronk storming the court after the game.

Is CUA bubble burst?

#haters4scranton

Ronk has trouble getting out of his seat these days so there won't be any court storming.  ;) The Royals did it with defense tonite. That was one great defensive play by EJ on Hafemeister in the final seconds then hit 2 big FTs. Nealon who killed us in the 1st game with his 3-pters was 0-3 tonite against Braunstein; Kelly was 3-15. Spatola had a great overall game; he's got confidence in his shot now and gives us another threat.
Still some things I would implement - Royals had 2 fouls to give in last 2 mins of 1st half; instead of fouling drivers and making them start over again, they gave up 2 layups plus fouled a 3-pt shooter. Will and Jackson had 4 fouls apiece late in the game, so I'd also use Hanley in offense/defense situations. Hanley would be a good choice to keep Husted off the offensive boards on Saturday.
  Coach Danzig finally got Will to go to the hoop instead of his fadeaways which eliminate the possibility of his being fouled or getting a follow rebound.
  Met Will's parents before the game and sat with them. Also in attendance were Ross and Ethan Danzig, Marcus Thomas, and EJ's family.
  Don't think the Royals have a chance for a Pool C; they get a boost in SOS with the road victory of Catholic but 3 of their
SOS opponents(Lycoming, Stevens, and Eastern) all lost tonite which will decrease their SOS value.
Coach Danzig gets his 400th career victory tonite.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2023, 08:09:04 AM
I bet EJ's family was pretty fired up. He was feeding off the Catholic fans and had a heck of a game. The small but enthusiastic visiting section was visible on the live stream....but ended a little early so I didn't get to see the full celebration.

Can the research intern tell us the last time that the men and women hosted a Championship game ?

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 23, 2023, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2023, 08:09:04 AM
I bet EJ's family was pretty fired up. He was feeding off the Catholic fans and had a heck of a game. The small but enthusiastic visiting section was visible on the live stream....but ended a little early so I didn't get to see the full celebration.

Can the research intern tell us the last time that the men and women hosted a Championship game ?

That would be 2014.  Both teams made the championship in the same year 4 other times since, but the Royals were on the road in '15, '20 and '21, and the Lady Royals were on the road in '17.

(Since the formation of the Landmark conference, they also both hosted in '08 and '09)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
 Tidbits while we await results over these 4 days affecting AQs, Pool C, hosting, and bracketing:

Must have been feeling an adrenalin rush from the Royals' victory over Catholic - set a new pr @ my fitness center for 3-pt shots(high school distance) today 23-25, missing #s 14 and 19
  On the way home last nite after the game, caught the beginning of St. John's @ Georgetown on the car radio and the dulcet tones of Hoyas broadcaster and friend Rich Chvotkin(Hoyas WIN! Hoyas Win!.....). Rich has doing the Hoyas' games for over 50 years, starting with the beginning of the John Thompson era. In the Big East early days, Rich did the play-by-play for the whole tournament, not just the Hoyas' games. I mention this because Rich was a year behind me @ Scranton and a member of our crack student basketball broadcasters on WUSR, including John A Walsh, eventual executive editor of ESPN and listed by Sports Illustrated as 1 of the 100 most influential people in sports, and Jim Dyer, eventual chief of staff of the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee. Some real heavyweights!
  Talked with Ross Danzig after the game last nite, mentioning the previous time I talked with him was at the Royals' NCAA game @ Gettysburg(Tom Bicknell/Randy Arnold era and meeting D3sports' Pat Coleman) when Ross was a soph in high school; at that time I gave him an old magazine writeup on his grandfather Hal who had been an All-East standout @ Bucknell.     
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
The Royals' have a intern doing sports media content whose name escapes me right now, but he has been a real force multiplier to the Sports Information Office.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co_NJi7MXIo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is real cool insight and behind the scenes look.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2023, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
The Royals' have a intern doing sports media content whose name escapes me right now, but he has been a real force multiplier to the Sports Information Office.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co_NJi7MXIo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is real cool insight and behind the scenes look.

Yes, I thanked him for his photos as I was leaving; was unaware of the locker room video at that time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2023, 06:15:42 PM

Congrats are certainly in order to the UofS men & their coaching staff for pulling this championship out of thin air.
It wasn't pretty at times this year but they stepped up & got it done.
Jon Spitola is the closest player we've had to Randy Arnold since he graduated.
Runs a great floor game, quick as heck, can shoot when needed, dish, drive & assist to turnover ratio is excellent.
Well done & all the best in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2023, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 24, 2023, 05:10:56 PM
Great,
   Hang in there! I perceive that the newcomers who are playing the most, don't care for the taste of losing basketball and will correct some of those ills. Look for 1 loss max in the rest of the schedule. May be hope over experience, though.  ::)

O ye of little faith! The Royals did employ their favorite strength - outshooting the opposition. Got some good minutes from Matt Hanley and Khoza with 2 big 3s. Things got sloppy in the 3rd quarter time area with 3 consecutive turnovers but they survived.
  Nepa should be happy with the 11 students storming the court after the buzzer; probably 11 more than he thought.
  We're setting up for an all-Scranton NCAA pod @ Rowan(Ryan Ems in a reserve role), Scranton, and PS-Abington(Ryan van Zelst) if they win their AQ.
  Hoping to be placed (in order of my travel distance) at Johns Hopkins, Swarthmore, or Rowan. New England's 4 pods would be too far for me.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 25, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
What a great game, and wonderful how they pulled the season together! Excited to see where they are off to. Nice crowd as well, including a full student section
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2023, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 25, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
What a great game, and wonderful how they pulled the season together! Excited to see where they are off to. Nice crowd as well, including a full student section

These last two games have been a real pleasure to watch. Great atmosphere today for both games, the student section was packed and the Royals hustled, rebounded and shot great. Thank you Coach Danzig!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 25, 2023, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
Royals tweet great day to be a royal - who? the search begins

I discovered the mystery commit from a couple of weeks ago:  Nick Ruisi, 6'5" wing out of Cheshire Academy.

https://twitter.com/EmpireYouthAthl/status/1624202004858806272?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2023, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 25, 2023, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
Royals tweet great day to be a royal - who? the search begins

I discovered the mystery commit from a couple of weeks ago:  Nick Ruisi, 6'5" wing out of Cheshire Academy.

https://twitter.com/EmpireYouthAthl/status/1624202004858806272?s=20

So, who comprises the new class of recruits? I never got to meet Coach Frank @ E-town 2 weeks ago(the men's team weren't in the gym during the women's game) or @ Catholic Wednesday(he was busy running pregame warmup drills).
Nick Ruisi grad of Harborfields High School on Long Island, now attending prep school(Cheshire)  Size similar to Jackson Danzig; no quite there yet wrt his basketball game from the video I've watched.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2023, 10:40:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrTloI5PXY for the latest recruit.

The only other one the research intern is tracking is PJ Kellachan from Chaminade on Long Island. He collapse at practice earlier this year and had to be resuscitated on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 26, 2023, 11:13:40 AM
You can add Hamilton Roth, 6'4" G out of River Dell to the list of Scranton commits:

https://www.maxpreps.com/nj/oradell/river-dell-golden-hawks/athletes/hamilton-roth/?careerid=t3hj7fshauk44
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2023, 08:39:52 AM
https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/projected-mens-bracket


Top right quadrant
Case Western Reserve hosts Chatham, while Mary Washington plays Scranton
Stockton hosts La Roche, while Williams plays Nichols
Swarthmore hosts Baruch, while Tufts plays Albertus Magnus
North Park hosts Illinois College, while Carleton plays St. Norbert


Been along time since we had a selection Monday for the men.... Happy Monday!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2023, 02:41:47 PM
Royals are headed to Randolph Macon to play NC Wesleyan in the first round, with the winner of that taking on the winner of RM/Wilson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2023, 03:42:48 PM
Hoopsville interviewed the NC Wesleyan coach last night during the mock selection show; didn't listen to that segment last nite but will now that they're the Royals' 1st round opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2023, 03:49:30 PM

Tough love sent to the Royals by the NCAA.  :-*
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2023, 03:55:46 PM
Playing with house money this year. All good.

Has Dave not posted here all year? Lots of face time he had today!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2023, 10:55:16 AM
As I look at Dave's posting history, he's made 10 posts total since the basketball season started (and at least one was about soccer). He just doesn't have time to participate on the boards at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2023, 09:42:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX8zetmu6Pk

NC Wesleyan Head Coach interview with Hoopsville.

Scranton and NCW have a common opponent in Eastern, both with victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2023, 03:39:41 PM
Congrats to Jackson Danzig the Conference Player of the Year.

The last of three Danzig boys to play for the purple and white.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 03, 2023, 06:51:49 PM
Where is everyone?!

What a gutsy win! What fight in the Royals!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2023, 07:46:49 PM
Probably in shock ;D Nice win for Scranton
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2023, 09:58:23 PM
Ronk can we get a full debrief?

Imagine thinking the Royals would be in the 2nd round after some of the posts we all had in January.

Place loose tomorrow boys!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 03, 2023, 10:42:29 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 03, 2023, 07:46:49 PM
Probably in shock ;D Nice win for Scranton
Great way to put it.Way to come back Royals congrats.Ronk lucky you went south because we are getting hit with sleet up this way.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2023, 10:57:51 PM

Congrats to the Royals.
A win is a win... although we did need the ref at the end to put his whistle in his pocket.  ;)

Well, tomorrow we find out where we are program wise compared to the best D3 team in the country.

Sleep well tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2023, 11:24:16 PM
where did you want a foul?

Just finished watching the game. What a finish. I probably would have turned it off if I was watching live. lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2023, 01:30:53 AM
 Had em all the way!   ::) NC Wes was a good defensive team; good shots were hard to come by and they denied most of the Royals' drives to the basket and caused a number of shot clock violations. Royals were sloppy in the 1st half with their passes and fell behind by 12. Royals had the ball in final min of 1st half down 4 and couldn't get off a shot. Then Wesleyan
with 14 secs and the Royals with a foul to give(pet peeve of mine), were allowed to get the final basket.
  In the 2nd half, missed foul shots by the Royals and not blocking out on a Wesleyan foul shot resulted in a 3-pt play. On the Royals' final possession, I didn't have a good view of the foul that sent Jackson to the line for the winning point.
   Chavis-Hinds was very good; the Royals didn't defend him well but for some reason, he didn't try to win the game in the last minutes.
  Extra stuff: sat with EJ's dad and brother? Will's parents were there again and maybe 3 more player families along with Ross Danzig. Coach Danzig got a good vibe pregame when I showed him my championship('76 and '83) shirt. Barely was able to fit in it.
  From the way long ago dept: attended the Lady Royals final 4 game(2005) against Randolph-Macon in VA Beach. Coach of Randolph-Macon then, attended Royals final 4 in Roanoke as a spectator; talked with her then and tonite. Star of the Royals loss in 2005 was the sister of current Randolph-Macon coach Josh Merkel; she had transferred in at semester break from D2, came off the bench with double figures and was the X factor in that game. Told Josh about it at halftime of the Scranton game and he said she'll be here tonight later. Her parents and she were on the other side of the aisle from me and she was amazed when I mentioned it to her. Been holding that for 18 years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2023, 12:41:16 PM

On the last play after the initial NCW miss, I was afraid they'd get Will with a body foul on his block.
No harm/no foul.  ;D
Survive & move on.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2023, 07:37:42 PM
Royals down 30-14 after going up early. Spatola and McLoughlin hurt but fighting through it.

Great experience for these kids..will only make them stronger.

Randolph Macon held Wilson to 8 points in the first half last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2023, 01:48:04 AM
 Missing 5 open 3s in the 1st half kept it from being close, along with the injuries to every starter except Braunstein. The lob to the baseline also helped create the big halftime lead for RMC. The Royals found out what defense is like at the highest level of D3; should help the underclassmen develop for next season.
  In the stands: Coach Danzig's wife led the cheerleading; parents for Braunstein and Thompson were identified; probably 3 or 4 more parent families also there in addition to Steven Joseph, member of the '83 championship team, whom I have seen in the past when the Royals have visited Catholic U.
  Forgot to mention that the 1st round RMC game had a woman ref; 1st time I've seen that in men's basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
who had the men and women both being eliminated in the Round of 32 on their bingo card?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 05, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
who had the men and women both being eliminated in the Round of 32 on their bingo card?

Had you given me 500-1 odds on the Scranton and DeSales women not making it out of the Round of 32, given that they were the 3rd and 8th ranked teams in the country (by D3Hoops), playing on their homecourt's........I'm not sure that I would have even thrown a $5 bill on the table.

DeSales has a lot coming back next season, with only one graduation that hurts.

Scranton does as well, although they have a few key losses and 12 of the 16 players on the roster are juniors, seniors or grad students. I'm sure that Scranton will reload big time as they always do though.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2023, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 05, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
who had the men and women both being eliminated in the Round of 32 on their bingo card?

Had you given me 500-1 odds on the Scranton and DeSales women not making it out of the Round of 32, given that they were the 3rd and 8th ranked teams in the country (by D3Hoops), playing on their homecourt's........I'm not sure that I would have even thrown a $5 bill on the table.

DeSales has a lot coming back next season, with only one graduation that hurts.

Scranton does as well, although they have a few key losses and 12 of the 16 players on the roster are juniors, seniors or grad students. I'm sure that Scranton will reload big time as they always do though.

Sometime this season I thought I heard that Rafferty was going to play only 1(this) year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2023, 06:49:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2023, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 05, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
who had the men and women both being eliminated in the Round of 32 on their bingo card?

Had you given me 500-1 odds on the Scranton and DeSales women not making it out of the Round of 32, given that they were the 3rd and 8th ranked teams in the country (by D3Hoops), playing on their homecourt's........I'm not sure that I would have even thrown a $5 bill on the table.

DeSales has a lot coming back next season, with only one graduation that hurts.

Scranton does as well, although they have a few key losses and 12 of the 16 players on the roster are juniors, seniors or grad students. I'm sure that Scranton will reload big time as they always do though.

Sometime this season I thought I heard that Rafferty was going to play only 1(this) year.
That is true
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2023, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 05, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
who had the men and women both being eliminated in the Round of 32 on their bingo card?

Had you given me 500-1 odds on the Scranton and DeSales women not making it out of the Round of 32, given that they were the 3rd and 8th ranked teams in the country (by D3Hoops), playing on their homecourt's........I'm not sure that I would have even thrown a $5 bill on the table.

DeSales has a lot coming back next season, with only one graduation that hurts.

Scranton does as well, although they have a few key losses and 12 of the 16 players on the roster are juniors, seniors or grad students. I'm sure that Scranton will reload big time as they always do though.

Sometime this season I thought I heard that Rafferty was going to play only 1(this) year.

You may very well be correct Ronk, although if that was in stone, Richter would have recognized her on Senior Day. We'll see come the Fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2023, 11:44:22 PM
That would be great if spratts sister was coming here from Jefferson!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2023, 11:46:47 PM
I would not mind Jason Shield at the U like I said Spratts sister also.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2023, 08:36:09 AM
JIm:

Did you mean to post this or send this as a private message? :)

Either way thanks for the intel!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 09, 2023, 08:11:30 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2023, 08:36:09 AM
JIm:

Did you mean to post this or send this as a private message? :)

Either way thanks for the intel!

Post......................and Augie just might be on to something (or nothing, if squatta happens, or doesn't) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2023, 11:23:17 PM
Question on another msg board: Landmark - divisional play or 18-game conference schedule?
So, I looked it up - 18-game schedule, 9 Wednesday, 9 Saturday; for Scranton, the Saturday foes are Catholic, Goucher, Juniata as in the past plus Susquehanna which formerly were Wednesday games. Also, Etown changes from 2 Saturday games to 1 Saturday and 1 Wednesday. The Etown Saturday game is @ Scranton this coming season(presumably it will alternate each year) so I'll miss my trip to Etown for a doubleheader. 4 games between Thanksgiving and Christmas instead of 1 in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 10, 2023, 11:23:17 PM
Question on another msg board: Landmark - divisional play or 18-game conference schedule?
So, I looked it up - 18-game schedule, 9 Wednesday, 9 Saturday; for Scranton, the Saturday foes are Catholic, Goucher, Juniata as in the past plus Susquehanna which formerly were Wednesday games. Also, Etown changes from 2 Saturday games to 1 Saturday and 1 Wednesday. The Etown Saturday game is @ Scranton this coming season(presumably it will alternate each year) so I'll miss my trip to Etown for a doubleheader. 4 games between Thanksgiving and Christmas instead of 1 in the past.


The Landmark Conference commissioner mentioned that there will be a six team playoff system in place moving forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2023, 09:08:44 AM
Goucher's Head Coach has resigned......
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2023, 01:20:33 PM
 All-regional teams: Jackson Danzig on 1st, Will McLoughlin on 3rd
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20

Good find by  our Senior Research Fellow...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2023, 06:12:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638584808564563973?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 22, 2023, 06:32:59 PM
 One would think that Shields' aspiration might be D1.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 23, 2023, 07:33:27 PM

You'll notice in those hi-lites some really gross looking gyms in that D2 conference.
I can see Jason & Will working very nicely together.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 30, 2023, 12:32:47 PM
@greatdaytobearoyal

your inbox is full, tried to respond.

Must be all the Scranton hot stove talk we are doing via PMs.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 03, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
that was it!  Fixed!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 10, 2023, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20

Hmmmmmmmm. Did a certain poster on March 6 potentially have something handed to him from a source??? We'll soon see. ;) In my opinion, he is farrrrrrr from a D1 talent. If he's a braniac, maybe the 5th player off the bench at an Ivy League school.

And you Scranton guys thought I was just a two trick pony with (1) C.B. West/bucolic Doylestown/Scranton Men's Hoops Alums and Clarks Summit & Lackawanna-to-the-Landmark (now that Keystone, Lycoming and Wilkes are on board) references. :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 10, 2023, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20

Good find by  our Senior Research Fellow...

NEPA - Albeit while I'm outside of the "Scranton Sphere".........give the original source/rumor monger some credit/love while you're at it! :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 10, 2023, 07:07:57 PM
Scranton alumnus Justin Klingman has been named head coach at Goucher, after serving as an assistant at Catholic and Ursinus.

https://athletics.goucher.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20230410is3rzj
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 10, 2023, 08:00:14 PM
 Didn't realize that Scranton had been to the NCAA tourney all 4 years of Justin's play 2012-2015.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 10, 2023, 08:00:34 PM
Great for Justin.
I had heard he applied for the Cabrini opening as well but the Goucher job will be a great fit since he's knowledgeable regarding the Landmark teams and he already lives down there.
Between Ursinus & Catholic, he's earned his chance.
Now if we can convince Danzig to turn in the keys, perhaps this is a precursor of things to come.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 10, 2023, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 10, 2023, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20

Good find by  our Senior Research Fellow...

NEPA - Albeit while I'm outside of the "Scranton Sphere".........give the original source/rumor monger some credit/love while you're at it! :) :) :)

But he isn't a lock for Da U is he, per your original tip?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 11, 2023, 07:59:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on April 10, 2023, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 10, 2023, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 22, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 22, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 06, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Scranton folks, keep this one under your hats (as it was mentioned in confidence and is far from a done deal..........although the same person told me pretty early that C.B. West's Teddy Spratt was transferring from Millersville to Scranton), but a Scranton native, who is a freshman at Jefferson University, has contemplated moving back home to play for Scranton. I don't know anything about his game..........but a 6'5" guard is a very nice sized player at the D-III level. We'll see.

Jason Shields has officially entered the transfer portal.

https://twitter.com/Jasonshields_3/status/1638256700682563619?s=20

Good find by  our Senior Research Fellow...

NEPA - Albeit while I'm outside of the "Scranton Sphere".........give the original source/rumor monger some credit/love while you're at it! :) :) :)

But he isn't a lock for Da U is he, per your original tip?

No lock, although strongly considering Da U. Is sniffing around for other opportunities a little further from home, but a better opportunity just might not be out there. He would be an impoact player for Da U indeed!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 11, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
He has received an offer from D2 Holy Family, which went 11-17 last year.  Whether he considers that a better opportunity than playing at home with a team that made the D3 NCAA tournament last year remains to be seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 16, 2023, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 11, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
He has received an offer from D2 Holy Family, which went 11-17 last year.  Whether he considers that a better opportunity than playing at home with a team that made the D3 NCAA tournament last year remains to be seen.

It depends on the package from Holy Family. They can get pretty aggressive when they really want someone. Is he that someone? Who knows. They were after him when he was a senior in high school and he went down the road to Philly U (Jefferson still sounds odd), post the days of the legend himself, Herbie "I can still shoot 90 for 100 from the foul line at my advanced age" Magee!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 16, 2023, 06:02:33 PM

Could really care less where the kid ends up.
Want to play for a school like Holy Family and their 64 fans, have at it.
What I want to see is a shooting exhibition between the master Herbie and our own Ronk who just made something like 2 thousand 3 pointers and only missed 3 at his gym recently.
Let's see Mr. Textile/Philadelphia U/Jefferson beat that.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 16, 2023, 06:52:42 PM
 I'm remembering seeing Herbie play in the Eastern League @ the CYC about the same time that it was my home court for the U. He's considerably ahead of me in terms of points scored on that court.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 19, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 16, 2023, 06:02:33 PM

Could really care less where the kid ends up.
Want to play for a school like Holy Family and their 64 fans, have at it.
What I want to see is a shooting exhibition between the master Herbie and our own Ronk who just made something like 2 thousand 3 pointers and only missed 3 at his gym recently.
Let's see Mr. Textile/Philadelphia U/Jefferson beat that.  ;D

Saratoga - "Could really care less where the kid ends up".....................unless he ends up at Scranton of course!!

There is nothing wrong with "a school like Holy Family" (as I manage money for high net worth individuals..........and 3 of them, with over $25 million just with us, are from Holy Family. Who would have figured?). Saratoga, In the 'hood' (my rough and tumble, Doylestown "hood", where someone actually jaywalked AND littered last week, tsk....tsk....tsk:), we would call your comment, "Catholic on Catholic crime" ;)

As far as their 64 fans, I can't speak to that, BUT, I have seen many posts here about how empty the Scranton gym is now compared to years ago. Waning interest is in many ways worse than little interest. To have loved and lost is much tougher than to never have never loved at all :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 19, 2023, 11:41:31 AM
Coming to a religious board (if you went to the U........you are religious) and asking for prayers for the three young men from the Greater Scranton area who lost their lives a few days ago in a car accident in Philadelphia. They were athletes at Scranton Prep and Abington Heights. Two of them were 23 year old twins. Horrible situation. Please keep them and their families in your prayers.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 19, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
Agree-Prayers to all and the community!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 19, 2023, 01:01:25 PM

JM:
"Unless he ends up at Scranton of course".
Not really...where this program is under the current braintrust has lost my interest years ago.
Could not care in the very least if he goes to Swarthmore, Holy Cross, Holy Family, or Whole Foods.

Danzig hasn't brought the men's program to the depths of 64 fans per game yet, but give him a few more years & they'll be there.
The women will outdraw them again this year.

Regarding the Prep & AH kids...absolutely horrible.
They were doing the right thing taking an Uber...the murderer that killed them driving drunk should never see the light of day.
Unfortunately, DA Krasner will probably ensure this clowns rights supersede those of the victims.
To lose any child is horrible...to lose two...I can't even begin to fathom.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 20, 2023, 08:15:43 AM
Scranton won the Landmark and a tournament game. Just reminding everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on April 20, 2023, 03:39:21 PM
The challenge is getting the student body to the game. Even the conference championship games were not jammed. I remember the 2002-2003 Conference Final, on a Saturday night, when we all had a day to hydrate for, jammed in, and the time of our lives. I hate to sound like the old man now, but kids are just different today. I don't know how you fix it. Obviously the product being better helps, and I think they are on the up again, but they need to reach out to other similar sized- DIII schools who draw well, and ask what the secret is. Does the NCAA ban alcohol sales on on campus venues?!  8-)

I do think a lot was lost when the traditional rivalries went away with the transition to the Landmark. We get some of that back in Wilkes next year. Also, do kids care about history anymore? It is just us old guys. There I go again.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 22, 2023, 11:29:03 AM

Just wondering...

The women's team has acknowledged 4 incoming freshman for next year plus one huge transfer.
Has anyone committed to the Royals thus far?
Beside the young man that's lucky to be alive & may or may not ever play again, I don't think I've seen another name.

Considering the Royals are losing approx. 45% of their scoring with the graduations of Danzig & Braunstein...they better have a banner year on the recruiting front.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 22, 2023, 11:52:27 AM
The two others I know have committed to the Royals are Hamilton Roth (6'4" out of River Dell HS in NJ) and Nick Ruisi (6'5" out of Cheshire Academy in CT).  There was also a "Great Day to be a Royal" tweet a few weeks ago but I didn't see any commitments associated with it.  It may have been in reference to the 40th anniversary of the '83 championship, or it could have been a stealth commitment.

Enrollment deposits are due on May 1...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 22, 2023, 01:40:08 PM

Thanks Tim.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 23, 2023, 03:10:59 PM
Its quiet , too quiet
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 24, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
Jason Shields to Holy Family.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Interesting...

https://hoopdirt.com/d3-dirt-cabrini-set-to-hire-current-d3-head-coach/
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 26, 2023, 11:18:20 AM

When Danzig finally retires, looks like Ryan and Justin Klingman could now be logical replacements.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 27, 2023, 07:49:54 PM
I thought this might be another player joining the Royals this fall, but he's a junior.  Maybe an early commit for next year?

https://twitter.com/LLeyton_0105/status/1651700869874810881/photo/1
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 27, 2023, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 27, 2023, 07:49:54 PM
I thought this might be another player joining the Royals this fall, but he's a junior.  Maybe an early commit for next year?

https://twitter.com/LLeyton_0105/status/1651700869874810881/photo/1

I remember Jay Fried, a burly forward who played in the early 70s; this could be his grandson. In the archives there is a Justin Fried who played 1 year(2003-4) that I don't remember; he could be the father of Lleyton and Jay's son. Lleyton's high school(Central Dauphin) was a rival of my high school.   
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2023, 07:57:10 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 27, 2023, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 27, 2023, 07:49:54 PM
I thought this might be another player joining the Royals this fall, but he's a junior.  Maybe an early commit for next year?

https://twitter.com/LLeyton_0105/status/1651700869874810881/photo/1

I remember Jay Fried, a burly forward who played in the early 70s; this could be his grandson. In the archives there is a Justin Fried who played 1 year(2003-4) that I don't remember; he could be the father of Lleyton and Jay's son. Lleyton's high school(Central Dauphin) was a rival of my high school.

Way to make me feel old. I remember Justin Fried... bigger guy from what I remember..
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2023, 01:42:44 PM
Filed under NEPA Hoops News..

https://www.gokcgiants.com/news/2023/4/28/andrew-kettel-named-head-mens-basketball-at-keystone.aspx


Former Scranton Prep coach to Keystone...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 28, 2023, 07:00:55 PM

Thanks for confirming.
This had been the rumor since he stepped down at Prep.
He & Keystone's AD are neighbors & know each other well.
I'm sure he'll do a good job...the recruiting part is always the great separator.

Also hearing that the Prep job may be going to Tommy Dempsey, former men's coach at Binghamton.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 28, 2023, 07:46:08 PM
When Danzig retires or moves on... we won't be short of candidates.

Rainy Friday night pondering other than JP was anyone else in the running to replace Bess?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 11, 2023, 12:38:25 PM
Saw that Le Moyne is moving to the NEC...perhaps it makes sense for Scranton to jump up a level and join the NE10 hmmmmm
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 11, 2023, 01:19:18 PM

I pray not...D-2 is a cess-pool of shady schools & serves no purpose for the Royals.
They are right where they belong.
I do not see Scranton wanting to enter the world of full & partial scholarships any time soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 11, 2023, 03:41:06 PM
Also, in PA, not many private D2 schools.

Only thing worse than going D2 would be NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 11, 2023, 07:59:28 PM
Gannon University is the only one that comes to mind. If the Royals and Lady Royals keep winning Landmark titles we may be asked to leave.

Men and Women's Lax both with conference titles and in NCAA action this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 11, 2023, 08:15:47 PM
Erie also has Mercyhurst.  In the Philly Area has Holy Family, Chestnut Hill, Jefferson.  Used to have Usciences but that is now part of St. Joe's.  If Scranton went DII (which I agree would not be a good move), those three or some of the NYC area colleges would be the most natural rivals.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2023, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on May 11, 2023, 08:15:47 PM
Erie also has Mercyhurst.  In the Philly Area has Holy Family, Chestnut Hill, Jefferson.  Used to have Usciences but that is now part of St. Joe's.  If Scranton went DII (which I agree would not be a good move), those three or some of the NYC area colleges would be the most natural rivals.

There are probably 10 others in 2 D2 conferences within 2 1/2 hrs of Scranton in DE, NJ, and NYC area. Many of my prospects have gone to these schools over the past decade.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 12, 2023, 08:33:29 AM
I am just curious why anyone would ever think Scranton would even entertain D2. I feel D2 is always the confusing level of NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 12, 2023, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 12, 2023, 08:33:29 AM
I am just curious why anyone would ever think Scranton would even entertain D2. I feel D2 is always the confusing level of NCAA.

It's the stair-step to D1, which would help get Scranton even more recognition and national attention
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 12, 2023, 02:52:24 PM

When various Scranton athletic teams start vying for or winning National Championships (beside women's basketball), and not just Landmark Conference championships, then perhaps the conversation of moving to D-1 may have some merit.

Until then, let's see if some of their conference champions can win some games on the national stage & become relevant beyond Region 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 12, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
I would speculate, and based on nothing at all, that no one in the athletic dept is in any interest of going D1. I would assume the same from the university itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 13, 2023, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 12, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
I would speculate, and based on nothing at all, that no one in the athletic dept is in any interest of going D1. I would assume the same from the university itself.

Oh yeah, most likely they have no interest in it - I just want the university to show some more ambition to grow their name, recognition, reputation and brand in any form.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM

Great Day:

Fully agree about wanting to grow the recognition but considering the weekend the Royals just had, they'll be in D-3 for quite some time.

*Lady Royal Softball crushed in the Landmark first round.
Two bad years in a row.

*Men's LAX really crushed in a first round NCAA game.
Getting better but still a light-year away from the big sticks of D3.

*Women's LAX, first round losers.

*Baseball blows 2 games today to lose Landmark championship & any shot at an at-large bid.
One trip to the NCAA tournament in the last 20 years pretty much sums that up.

It kills me to see the baseball team struggle the way they do with all the school has to offer inclusive of one of the nicest ballparks in all of college baseball.

Beyond women's basketball & women's soccer, none of their other sports are quite ready for prime time.

Hopefully, one day that may change.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 14, 2023, 09:48:40 PM

P.S.

Kudo's to Royals play by play announcer Dean Corwin for doing 3 Landmark baseball games yesterday & both games today.
Great job all around.
Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 15, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
I was not the one who posted about growing the recognition.

I don't see a move beyond where they are now. I truly think winning the conference is the goal, and anything beyond that is gravy.

The baseball outcome was a bummer, but where the program was, and where it is, is leaps and bounds. The kids will continue to come. The school and facility is a draw to any kid who fits the mold.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 15, 2023, 08:55:45 AM
And just another point on the baseball team here on the hoops board.

Since joining the Landmark - 9 trips to the conference tournament, 1 championship. 7 20+ win seasons. Prior to this, and in particular prior to coach, 3 MAC Tournament trips, and 0 20 win seasons. The program was a mess prior. It is in a good place now.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 15, 2023, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: saratoga on May 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM

Great Day:

Fully agree about wanting to grow the recognition but considering the weekend the Royals just had, they'll be in D-3 for quite some time.

*Lady Royal Softball crushed in the Landmark first round.
Two bad years in a row.

*Men's LAX really crushed in a first round NCAA game.
Getting better but still a light-year away from the big sticks of D3.

*Women's LAX, first round losers.

*Baseball blows 2 games today to lose Landmark championship & any shot at an at-large bid.
One trip to the NCAA tournament in the last 20 years pretty much sums that up.

It kills me to see the baseball team struggle the way they do with all the school has to offer inclusive of one of the nicest ballparks in all of college baseball.

Beyond women's basketball & women's soccer, none of their other sports are quite ready for prime time.

Hopefully, one day that may change.

I hear you - but I think it is less about competitiveness - they do pretty well in most sports - and more about the ability to recruit better talent regionally and benefit from more visibility on ESPN, regional news, etc. Sports is the front doorstep for many universities - and as the school works to grow a sports communication program, having D1 athletics will only help students that are associated with the Aquinas, 99.5 - not to mention the PT program. My hope is that it would engage the student body a bit more and get them to sporting events. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 15, 2023, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 15, 2023, 08:55:45 AM
And just another point on the baseball team here on the hoops board.

Since joining the Landmark - 9 trips to the conference tournament, 1 championship. 7 20+ win seasons. Prior to this, and in particular prior to coach, 3 MAC Tournament trips, and 0 20 win seasons. The program was a mess prior. It is in a good place now.

This x100.

They also had 400-500 at every Royal game this weekend. Scranton Mens/Womens soccer won their conference titles, Mens/Womens Basketball won their conference titles, Mens/Womens Lacrosse won their conference titles.

The state of the union is strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 15, 2023, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 15, 2023, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: saratoga on May 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM

Great Day:

Fully agree about wanting to grow the recognition but considering the weekend the Royals just had, they'll be in D-3 for quite some time.

*Lady Royal Softball crushed in the Landmark first round.
Two bad years in a row.

*Men's LAX really crushed in a first round NCAA game.
Getting better but still a light-year away from the big sticks of D3.

*Women's LAX, first round losers.

*Baseball blows 2 games today to lose Landmark championship & any shot at an at-large bid.
One trip to the NCAA tournament in the last 20 years pretty much sums that up.

It kills me to see the baseball team struggle the way they do with all the school has to offer inclusive of one of the nicest ballparks in all of college baseball.

Beyond women's basketball & women's soccer, none of their other sports are quite ready for prime time.

Hopefully, one day that may change.

I hear you - but I think it is less about competitiveness - they do pretty well in most sports - and more about the ability to recruit better talent regionally and benefit from more visibility on ESPN, regional news, etc. Sports is the front doorstep for many universities - and as the school works to grow a sports communication program, having D1 athletics will only help students that are associated with the Aquinas, 99.5 - not to mention the PT program. My hope is that it would engage the student body a bit more and get them to sporting events.

The "front doorstep" I don't think applies to many colleges at the D3 level. Take a look around at the institutes that make up D3, including the U. Reputation precedes itself. The philosophy of division 3 athletics would follow that as well. Sports at much of D3 is a distant second, and I am more than okay with that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 15, 2023, 04:55:07 PM

My point in highlighting the frustration of not advancing to the NCAA tournament (Baseball) or advancing beyond the first round (men's & women's LAX) is simply to point out that the Royals rarely dominate in athletics beyond a few sports so the notion to make the move into D-2 purgatory for 5 years prior to becoming a D-1 member simply seems illogical.
Once they start winning right & left and need an addition to the Long Center to hold all the Walnut & Bronze National Champion trophies they've accumulated, I'll be the first to give.
For now, let's just focus on improving and being more competitive each & every year in all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.

I don't think it is silly considering there is very little else going on and it comes from a place of just wanting the university to continue to get more attention and respect - however, if given the choice - I much prefer the U get recognized for their ambition and success academically rather than athletically.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.

I don't think it is silly considering there is very little else going on and it comes from a place of just wanting the university to continue to get more attention and respect - however, if given the choice - I much prefer the U get recognized for their ambition and success academically rather than athletically.

If you truly mean your point on recognition over athletics, then you are likely recognizing DIII is the proper fit.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.

I don't think it is silly considering there is very little else going on and it comes from a place of just wanting the university to continue to get more attention and respect - however, if given the choice - I much prefer the U get recognized for their ambition and success academically rather than athletically.

If you truly mean your point on recognition over athletics, then you are likely recognizing DIII is the proper fit.

Both would help. I do want to see more ambition from the university on the marketing, branding, outreach and academics side - but athletics can do a lot of that too, if managed properly.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.

I don't think it is silly considering there is very little else going on and it comes from a place of just wanting the university to continue to get more attention and respect - however, if given the choice - I much prefer the U get recognized for their ambition and success academically rather than athletically.

If you truly mean your point on recognition over athletics, then you are likely recognizing DIII is the proper fit.

Both would help. I do want to see more ambition from the university on the marketing, branding, outreach and academics side - but athletics can do a lot of that too, if managed properly.

I truly don't mean to be the guy to argue every point you make, and I guess by saying that, I am, but where do you feel the university is failing in any of your points?  The enrollment goes up in every class. They are not hurting for kids. How many students apply, and don't get in? Kids come from all over the NE, when years ago it felt like mainly local kids, LI, North Jersey, and JOP. I am just not sure the university is going to spend money on something that they already do, and ultimately takes care of itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 16, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on May 16, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
I agree 100%. I see the disappointment on baseball. But given where the program has gone in just the last 20 years, what a welcomed change.

The women's lax team was a 10-9 team (a tough schedule), who should be happy simply playing in an NCAA game.

D1 should never be an option for the school, and the conversation as to it happening is silly, and based on nothing. Not even speculation.

I don't think it is silly considering there is very little else going on and it comes from a place of just wanting the university to continue to get more attention and respect - however, if given the choice - I much prefer the U get recognized for their ambition and success academically rather than athletically.

If you truly mean your point on recognition over athletics, then you are likely recognizing DIII is the proper fit.

Both would help. I do want to see more ambition from the university on the marketing, branding, outreach and academics side - but athletics can do a lot of that too, if managed properly.

I truly don't mean to be the guy to argue every point you make, and I guess by saying that, I am, but where do you feel the university is failing in any of your points?  The enrollment goes up in every class. They are not hurting for kids. How many students apply, and don't get in? Kids come from all over the NE, when years ago it felt like mainly local kids, LI, North Jersey, and JOP. I am just not sure the university is going to spend money on something that they already do, and ultimately takes care of itself.

Hey the point of discussion boards is to discuss, I have no issue with it! I would not say the University is failing, per se, and perhaps it is because I live in a different region where colleges are treated a bit differently - but I have not witnessed the school make any major headway in gaining serious recognition of any programs outside of nursing and accounting. The alumni engagement has been a little weak - but it was their latest strategic plan that kind of disappointed me:

https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2020/12/news-strategicplan-2020-25.shtml

I saw a mass of buzzwords with little concrete direction that got me excited about the direction of the school - it really felt like the dyd not have a major direction based on that. Everything on that list is valuable and important - but they are not goals for strategic growth and advancement of the school.

My thought is that competing at a D1 level would at least help further market the school, attract more diverse students and engage the current students and alumni more. Let's not forget that all but one other Jesuit university competes below the D1 level, too. There's a reason for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 16, 2023, 08:09:17 PM

NJRoyal:

I fully understand where you're coming from & I have the same gripes about the University picking up their game from time to time with their marketing and doing more to recruit students from beyond the comfort of the tri-state area.

I understand they have a junior intern that's been doing really great work with the athletic dept. so that's certainly a step in the right direction.
He takes great pictures so hopefully they'll use him for team photos next year so they present as professionally done & not look like they were taken from Pluto via the Hubble telescope.

Still think they need to involve Marketing majors to help solve the problem internally re. athletic attendance apathy until the playoffs get near.

The university has a fantastic symphony orchestra...how about bringing some of those kids to basketball games to let their hair down & instead of playing The Ride of the Valkyries, have them go crazy with their own rendition of Sweet Caroline, Land of 1,000 Dances...hell, play the Michigan Fight Song for all I care.

I digress...point is, I know where you're coming from & even though D3 will be in the cards for the foreseeable future, there is no reason we can't become better & improve our brand to be the best of the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2023, 01:00:05 AM
Seriously who is the music director at the U? Get 10 kids from your brass band out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 17, 2023, 07:25:28 AM
A pepband would be fun. Stevens Point has one, and at the very least, the band members get into the game, urging the rest of the crowd to get off their phones and enjoy the game. When Point and John Carroll were in the Final Four, it was a great time for the bands, almost competing against each other, swapping timeouts. Apparently, the John Carroll pepband had so much fun, they just started coming to the Final Four even if their team didn't make it. Not sure if they still do that now.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 19, 2023, 10:41:46 AM

Wonder if the JCU band could make it to Scranton for Saturday games?

From one Jesuit to another in the spirt of Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 19, 2023, 01:57:41 PM
 So, that's what AMDG on the basketball court stands for!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 19, 2023, 09:07:48 PM

Yep.
I used to think it stood for, "Almost Made Danzig Go".  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 22, 2023, 10:49:51 AM
all quiet on the recruiting front?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 22, 2023, 01:40:14 PM
 There were a number of potentials in the transfer portal - haven't heard if the Royals went after any of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:43 AM
Congrats to The U on winning the Landmark Conference Presidents Cup after a RECORD-SETTING eight championships:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/general/2022-23/releases/20230525mke62h

(still think they should explore going D1, give the city a sports team to get behind)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 26, 2023, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:43 AM
Congrats to The U on winning the Landmark Conference Presidents Cup after a RECORD-SETTING eight championships:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/general/2022-23/releases/20230525mke62h

(still think they should explore going D1, give the city a sports team to get behind)

Great news. Figured with all the championships they would win the President's trophy. Catholic finished in second.. that seems to be one of the main rivalries in the Landmark. Let's see if Lycoming or Wilkes replaces it...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 26, 2023, 07:21:28 PM
 Congrats to the athletes and the athletic department - a noteworthy achievement. If one reads the weekly missives by the individual athletes, it can be seen that the team members have embraced what it means to be a Royal in their support of each other. I sense from interviews in the various campus publications over the recent years that that support shows up in the student body as a whole, even if not evidenced by attendance at sporting events.
  This is coming from someone who attended when there were only 6(basketball, baseball, tennis, cross country, rifle, and golf) sports on campus with no athletic facilities. We used the CYC for collegiate basketball and the Ukraine Center for intramural basketball. We did have a rifle range in the basement of the Student Center as part of the Army ROTC program; the rifle team was the most successful on campus because those guys had been hunting in PA for at least their previous 5 years growing up. They would regularly outshoot the service academies. 
 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 28, 2023, 11:53:57 AM

Brief change of topic but congrats to Miseri's baseball team winning a berth in next week's College World Series.
Meanwhile, our Royals have played in 1 NCAA tournament in 40 years.
Enjoy the experience Lefty and Chuck!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 28, 2023, 05:36:44 PM
 And Moravian gains a berth in the softball version; they are the lowest seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on May 29, 2023, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 28, 2023, 11:53:57 AM

Brief change of topic but congrats to Miseri's baseball team winning a berth in next week's College World Series.
Meanwhile, our Royals have played in 1 NCAA tournament in 40 years.
Enjoy the experience Lefty and Chuck!

Not many posters here can say that they coached a program that is in the World Series.  Even if what was long before these kids were born.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on May 30, 2023, 08:53:48 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 26, 2023, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on May 26, 2023, 11:54:43 AM
Congrats to The U on winning the Landmark Conference Presidents Cup after a RECORD-SETTING eight championships:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/general/2022-23/releases/20230525mke62h

(still think they should explore going D1, give the city a sports team to get behind)

Great news. Figured with all the championships they would win the President's trophy. Catholic finished in second.. that seems to be one of the main rivalries in the Landmark. Let's see if Lycoming or Wilkes replaces it...

Have to think Lycoming and Susq can rekindle the MAC rivalry, in addition of course to SCR- Wilkes
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on May 30, 2023, 03:36:14 PM
Very hopeful that we see Wilkes and Scranton re-ignite a strong rivalry.

Unrelated to basketball - recently got to see Scranton's baseball fields - those are beautiful. Hopefully it leads to even more success for the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 01, 2023, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 28, 2023, 05:36:44 PM
And Moravian gains a berth in the softball version; they are the lowest seed.

8th seed Moravian knocks off #1 Salisbury in 1st bracket game; need at least 2 more wins to reach the finals.

In baseball, 8th seed Miseri plays #1 Johns Hopkins tomorrow in opening bracket game.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 07, 2023, 09:30:09 PM
Looks like we got a new website...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 08, 2023, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 07, 2023, 09:30:09 PM
Looks like we got a new website...

Saw a msg from the SID a few days ago that they would be changing the web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 13, 2023, 10:07:48 PM
https://athletics.scranton.edu/news/2023/6/13/general-scranton-registers-49th-place-finish-in-learfield-directors-cup-standings-highest-finish-in-school-history.aspx?utm_medium=sidearm-email&utm_source=athletics.scranton.edu&utm_campaign=Scranton+Registers+49th+Place+Finish+in+LEARFIELD+Directors%27+Cup+Standings%3b+Highest+Finish+in+School+History&utm_content=e47be3d3-a103-4144-8f2c-3c027ae00c4b
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on June 14, 2023, 09:16:13 AM
That is quite the accomplishment! Nearly top 10% in all of NCAA Division III. Have to think they only continue to rise in this yearly. The athletics as a whole continues to develop, and we all must appreciate that. Way-to-go, Royals!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 14, 2023, 10:37:49 AM
Yes sorry for the lack of commentary with the post. Pretty High and in line with what I have to think were some internal Athletic department goals...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 14, 2023, 11:41:27 AM

What makes the Royal's ranking even more incredible is the fact that most of the schools in front of them offer far more varsity teams with which to do well and earn extra points.

Time to add men's & women's squash!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 15, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
Love to see that success! Hopefully they can continue climbing and become a Top 10 D3 program across the board!

I'm all for adding bowling and hockey too.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2023, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 15, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
Love to see that success! Hopefully they can continue climbing and become a Top 10 D3 program across the board!

I'm all for adding bowling and hockey too.

Yeah the Hockey team has had club status for some time. Not a lot of places to play around Scranton.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on June 15, 2023, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 14, 2023, 11:41:27 AM

What makes the Royal's ranking even more incredible is the fact that most of the schools in front of them offer far more varsity teams with which to do well and earn extra points.

Time to add men's & women's squash!  ;)

Rankings are based on 18 total sports, so I don't think that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 19, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2023, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 15, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
Love to see that success! Hopefully they can continue climbing and become a Top 10 D3 program across the board!

I'm all for adding bowling and hockey too.

Yeah the Hockey team has had club status for some time. Not a lot of places to play around Scranton.

Don't Kings and Wilkes both have hockey programs down the road? I wonder where they are finding ice time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 20, 2023, 03:48:45 PM
Are there a few rinks in Wilkes Barre tied to the Baby Pens?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 20, 2023, 04:08:56 PM

Wilkes & Kings skate at Coal St. rink.
Pretty much an off campus joint located in a strip mall.
No thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 23, 2023, 10:31:25 AM

Well, in hindsight, Ryan's move from PSU-Abington to Cabrini looked good on paper.
Unfortunately, it seems the school has been bleeding financially for 10 years.

Maybe Danzig just does 1 more year & then Ryan can head back up the Northeast Extension.

Looks like when the AD & hiring committee ask the coach's being interviewed if you have any questions for us...the new first one to ask will revolve around the financial solvency of the respective institution.

Regarding the women's program...I can see Kate landing at either Swarthmore or Ursinus as both those programs continue to under-achieve.
Additionally, I believe the new AD at Swat came from Cabrini.

Sad times for a little school that did pretty darn well in all sports offered.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 23, 2023, 11:15:59 AM
King's uses the Revolution Ice Rink in Pittston.

Wilkes and Misericordia (2024) use the Toyota Sportsplex on Coal Street in Wilkes-Barre.  It is the same facility that houses the AHL Penguins.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 23, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 23, 2023, 10:31:25 AM

Well, in hindsight, Ryan's move from PSU-Abington to Cabrini looked good on paper.
Unfortunately, it seems the school has been bleeding financially for 10 years.

Maybe Danzig just does 1 more year & then Ryan can head back up the Northeast Extension.

Looks like when the AD & hiring committee ask the coach's being interviewed if you have any questions for us...the new first one to ask will revolve around the financial solvency of the respective institution.

Regarding the women's program...I can see Kate landing at either Swarthmore or Ursinus as both those programs continue to under-achieve.
Additionally, I believe the new AD at Swat came from Cabrini.

Sad times for a little school that did pretty darn well in all sports offered.

Their lacrosse program is also very succesful and is led by a Royal alum.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 24, 2023, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 20, 2023, 04:08:56 PM

Wilkes & Kings skate at Coal St. rink.
Pretty much an off campus joint located in a strip mall.
No thanks.

Hey Saratoga, look at it this way. The Landmark now has a hockey rink located in a strip mall (better than a strip joint, depending on your religion) and welcomes Keystone for football. Clarks Summit and Lackawanna might not be far behind in the future Landmark landscape!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 24, 2023, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 23, 2023, 11:15:59 AM
King's uses the Revolution Ice Rink in Pittston.

Wilkes and Misericordia (2024) use the Toyota Sportsplex on Coal Street in Wilkes-Barre.  It is the same facility that houses the AHL Penguins.

I thought Saratoga said that Wilkes plays on an ice sheet in a strip mall. That must be one nice strip mall to house an AHL team!! Wilkes Barre has gone glam!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This Cabrini news is wild - I wonder if we'll see more mergers and buyouts in the future?

Does this mean past Cabrini alum are now part of the Villanova alumni database?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 24, 2023, 08:35:51 PM

JM:
That's where the Pens practice...Not the arena in which they play.
No glam.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 25, 2023, 10:34:32 AM
Cabrini lacrosse coach has stepped down to take a job at local philly high school, let's see what happens with the rest of the coaches.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 25, 2023, 12:10:53 PM
Stepped down? Was there even a position for him to retain?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 25, 2023, 01:34:25 PM

My understanding is Cabrini will sponsor athletic obligations through the final 2023/24' season.
Therefore, I'm sure he could have stayed this upcoming final LAX season (24'), but decided to take an opportunity that currently presented itself.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This Cabrini news is wild - I wonder if we'll see more mergers and buyouts in the future?

Does this mean past Cabrini alum are now part of the Villanova alumni database?

We ain't seen nothing yet!! While some of the obvious issues have been taken care of over the last few years, there is a lot more to come. Some smaller schools are proactively reaching out to larger schools with close proximity or with shared values (religion). Also, larger schools are doing their own due diligence and making phone calls to smaller schools.

St. Joseph's swallowing up Philadelphia Pharmacy and Sciences made too much sense for St. Joe's........as does this move by Villanova. Some of the schools in trouble would surprise you and I'm not just talking about D3 schools. A bunch of D2's are in trouble and some smaller D1's (LaSalle to name a local one) are as well.

7-10 years out.........we might see 400-500 less traditional colleges and universities. Southern New Hampshire perfected the model. Build a massive online University and then plow some of the profits back into the traditional University. They have a stud baseball team, an improving hoops team and word is that they are seriously looking at football.

Grand Canyon copied the SNHU model to a great degree. Now, look at how many "legit" brick and mortar colleges and universities are offering the online model. Arizona State is growing like a weed as is Purdue.

For anybody who thinks things have been crazy up to this point.........this has been child's play and we are in the top of the first inning, with maybe an out, maybe two. Things are going to get ugly over the next several years.

The Alumni Development/Alumni Relations/Fundraising departments are going to be banging on the doors like never before........and we are going to see a level of "professional fundraiser" the likes of which most colleges and universities have never employed.

I'm just hoping Johns Hopkins can stick it out until Bloomberg opens up his checkbook again! ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 25, 2023, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This Cabrini news is wild - I wonder if we'll see more mergers and buyouts in the future?

Does this mean past Cabrini alum are now part of the Villanova alumni database?

We ain't seen nothing yet!! While some of the obvious issues have been taken care of over the last few years, there is a lot more to come. Some smaller schools are proactively reaching out to larger schools with close proximity or with shared values (religion). Also, larger schools are doing their own due diligence and making phone calls to smaller schools.

St. Joseph's swallowing up Philadelphia Pharmacy and Sciences made too much sense for St. Joe's........as does this move by Villanova. Some of the schools in trouble would surprise you and I'm not just talking about D3 schools. A bunch of D2's are in trouble and some smaller D1's (LaSalle to name a local one) are as well.

7-10 years out.........we might see 400-500 less traditional colleges and universities. Southern New Hampshire perfected the model. Build a massive online University and then plow some of the profits back into the traditional University. They have a stud baseball team, an improving hoops team and word is that they are seriously looking at football.

Grand Canyon copied the SNHU model to a great degree. Now, look at how many "legit" brick and mortar colleges and universities are offering the online model. Arizona State is growing like a weed as is Purdue.

For anybody who thinks things have been crazy up to this point.........this has been child's play and we are in the top of the first inning, with maybe an out, maybe two. Things are going to get ugly over the next several years.

The Alumni Development/Alumni Relations/Fundraising departments are going to be banging on the doors like never before........and we are going to see a level of "professional fundraiser" the likes of which most colleges and universities have never employed.

I'm just hoping Johns Hopkins can stick it out until Bloomberg opens up his checkbook again! ;)

I wonder how my University of Scranton will fare - perhaps they merge with Lackawanna College + Marywood down the line and create a super school in the Electric City. They seem to be doing well financially, but who really knows? Maybe Lafayette College - Scranton or Lehigh University - Scranton could be in our future given their endowments that are north of a billion  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 29, 2023, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 25, 2023, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This Cabrini news is wild - I wonder if we'll see more mergers and buyouts in the future?

Does this mean past Cabrini alum are now part of the Villanova alumni database?

We ain't seen nothing yet!! While some of the obvious issues have been taken care of over the last few years, there is a lot more to come. Some smaller schools are proactively reaching out to larger schools with close proximity or with shared values (religion). Also, larger schools are doing their own due diligence and making phone calls to smaller schools.

St. Joseph's swallowing up Philadelphia Pharmacy and Sciences made too much sense for St. Joe's........as does this move by Villanova. Some of the schools in trouble would surprise you and I'm not just talking about D3 schools. A bunch of D2's are in trouble and some smaller D1's (LaSalle to name a local one) are as well.

7-10 years out.........we might see 400-500 less traditional colleges and universities. Southern New Hampshire perfected the model. Build a massive online University and then plow some of the profits back into the traditional University. They have a stud baseball team, an improving hoops team and word is that they are seriously looking at football.

Grand Canyon copied the SNHU model to a great degree. Now, look at how many "legit" brick and mortar colleges and universities are offering the online model. Arizona State is growing like a weed as is Purdue.

For anybody who thinks things have been crazy up to this point.........this has been child's play and we are in the top of the first inning, with maybe an out, maybe two. Things are going to get ugly over the next several years.

The Alumni Development/Alumni Relations/Fundraising departments are going to be banging on the doors like never before........and we are going to see a level of "professional fundraiser" the likes of which most colleges and universities have never employed.

I'm just hoping Johns Hopkins can stick it out until Bloomberg opens up his checkbook again! ;)

I wonder how my University of Scranton will fare - perhaps they merge with Lackawanna College + Marywood down the line and create a super school in the Electric City. They seem to be doing well financially, but who really knows? Maybe Lafayette College - Scranton or Lehigh University - Scranton could be in our future given their endowments that are north of a billion  ::)

Scranton should be in great shape.

Great school = Successful Alums

Successful Alums = $$$$$$$

Catholic Values of Giving of $$$$$$ = Great Shape

We're not talking Ivy, NESCAC and others types of giving..........but we can't talk about great schools and not giving back to the school that gave us our start.

Again, not Bloomberg and Hopkins type of giving, but there are many successful Scranton alums who need to dig even deeper, if they are able, as the numbers look daunting for many schools in the years to come.

It's like shedding tears during a St. Jude's Children's Hospital commercial (the most recent one is touching like I've never seen).........but not picking up the phone and giving.

Talk is great, feelings and emotions are beautiful, but without action it means nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 29, 2023, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 29, 2023, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 25, 2023, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 25, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This Cabrini news is wild - I wonder if we'll see more mergers and buyouts in the future?

Does this mean past Cabrini alum are now part of the Villanova alumni database?

We ain't seen nothing yet!! While some of the obvious issues have been taken care of over the last few years, there is a lot more to come. Some smaller schools are proactively reaching out to larger schools with close proximity or with shared values (religion). Also, larger schools are doing their own due diligence and making phone calls to smaller schools.

St. Joseph's swallowing up Philadelphia Pharmacy and Sciences made too much sense for St. Joe's........as does this move by Villanova. Some of the schools in trouble would surprise you and I'm not just talking about D3 schools. A bunch of D2's are in trouble and some smaller D1's (LaSalle to name a local one) are as well.

7-10 years out.........we might see 400-500 less traditional colleges and universities. Southern New Hampshire perfected the model. Build a massive online University and then plow some of the profits back into the traditional University. They have a stud baseball team, an improving hoops team and word is that they are seriously looking at football.

Grand Canyon copied the SNHU model to a great degree. Now, look at how many "legit" brick and mortar colleges and universities are offering the online model. Arizona State is growing like a weed as is Purdue.

For anybody who thinks things have been crazy up to this point.........this has been child's play and we are in the top of the first inning, with maybe an out, maybe two. Things are going to get ugly over the next several years.

The Alumni Development/Alumni Relations/Fundraising departments are going to be banging on the doors like never before........and we are going to see a level of "professional fundraiser" the likes of which most colleges and universities have never employed.

I'm just hoping Johns Hopkins can stick it out until Bloomberg opens up his checkbook again! ;)

I wonder how my University of Scranton will fare - perhaps they merge with Lackawanna College + Marywood down the line and create a super school in the Electric City. They seem to be doing well financially, but who really knows? Maybe Lafayette College - Scranton or Lehigh University - Scranton could be in our future given their endowments that are north of a billion  ::)

Scranton should be in great shape.

Great school = Successful Alums

Successful Alums = $$$$$$$

Catholic Values of Giving of $$$$$$ = Great Shape

We're not talking Ivy, NESCAC and others types of giving..........but we can't talk about great schools and not giving back to the school that gave us our start.

Again, not Bloomberg and Hopkins type of giving, but there are many successful Scranton alums who need to dig even deeper, if they are able, as the numbers look daunting for many schools in the years to come.

It's like shedding tears during a St. Jude's Children's Hospital commercial (the most recent one is touching like I've never seen).........but not picking up the phone and giving.

Talk is great, feelings and emotions are beautiful, but without action it means nothing.

Agreed. I would like to see Scranton get a little more creative and strategic with their fundraising programs, but the more we give - the better. Especially now that my loans are paid off! I do wonder if they would acquire Marywood and Lackawanna College down the line in order to grow their footprint and gain some real estate in order to grow the university.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on July 07, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
I'd speculate the University would have less than zero interest in acquiring Lackawanna.

Women's soccer and volleyball released their schedules. Simple case of how do good teams get better? Play top tier competition. Soccer plays 6 NCAA Tournament teams, including National Champions.

Volleyball plays 12 NCAA Tournament teams, including National Champions.

Better competition drives you.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on July 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
Love to see it. Keep raising the bar and become among the best in D3 athletics (and academics)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 12, 2023, 09:10:48 PM

Trying to do some projections for the Royals this season.

Let's start with graduation losses & their typical points scored per game.
* J.Danzig 23 ppg.
*S. Braunstein 13 ppg
Total loss on average of 36 ppg before the game even starts.

Factor in that even with these players, the Royals are 20/25 ppg. behind the best of the best in DIII. as witnessed in their season ending loss to RMC.

So these generalizations now put the Royals approx. 50 points behind the best teams in DIII if the season started tomorrow.

What are the chances Danzig has brought in an elite group of freshmen who will make up that deficit?

Has he even attempted to bring in a 5th. year player to add experience and talent?

My guess is the point differential will be extremely hard to make up with the returning players as they can only do so much.

Can't wait to see what his freshman class looks like.

If it doesn't rate as one of the best in his 22 years, then the prognosis will be like any other Scranton team...15-10 & pray you land somewhere in the Landmark playoffs, then roll the dice.

Hoping for the best but history casts a long shadow.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 12, 2023, 10:02:33 PM
Royals have confirmed on twitter 4 incoming freshmen but not formally announced who they are.  If it's the 4 I'm thinking of, three are guards about the same size as Danzig/Braunstein who knows if any are ready for college-level play.  One is a big man who seems to be a project and doubt will contribute much behind McLaughlin and Hanley.

I've not heard anything from the transfer front.

Agreed, it's a lot of points to make up.  How much more can you get from McLaughlin?  Mathews-Spratley and Khoza showed growth last year; are they ready to break out?  Will Spratt see more PT now that Danzig is gone and show us more of what he can do?  Of the others, Parland and Spatola are good all around players but I don't see them becoming high scorers right now.  Will one of the other guards who had inconsistent minutes last year separate themselves from the pack?  We shall see...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 13, 2023, 12:58:35 AM
 I evaluate Spatola's season much like Bridget Monaghan's frosh season for the women - deferential as a frosh PG to the upper classmen starters and getting them the ball as a team player. By the end of the year as the postseason ensued, both teams needed each frosh PG to become a bigger factor offensively and they came through as they gained confidence in their play relative to their teammates. I see him as a consistent double figure scorer going forward, making up for some of the points per game that Saratoga mentioned as graduating.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 13, 2023, 11:00:30 AM
 Some info on Scranton incoming frosh PJ Kellachan:

https://fundraisers.hakuapp.com/patrick-kellachan 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 13, 2023, 12:18:59 PM
Am I reading this right? We have to pay for landmark games now?  How is this a good model?

https://athletics.scranton.edu/news/2023/7/13/general-landmark-conference-announces-historic-partnership-with-flosports.aspx?utm_medium=sidearm-email&utm_source=athletics.scranton.edu&utm_campaign=Landmark+Conference+Announces+Historic+Partnership+with+FloSports&utm_content=64418e9b-0a8b-43ed-873d-431d00846fed
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2023, 12:36:24 PM
Yes, you are reading correctly.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 13, 2023, 02:46:55 PM

Dear Commish,

If I may be so bold to ask, what the hell was wrong with the previous setup?
I think every Landmark school did a really nice job on their broadcasts and it didn't cost the consumer anything.
Please explain how paying for these same broadcasts is now better?
Better for whom, FloSports?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 14, 2023, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 13, 2023, 02:46:55 PM

Dear Commish,

If I may be so bold to ask, what the hell was wrong with the previous setup?
I think every Landmark school did a really nice job on their broadcasts and it didn't cost the consumer anything.
Please explain how paying for these same broadcasts is now better?
Better for whom, FloSports?

I read somewhere that they are getting 7 figures for the deal, the Commish was making comments behind the rationale..but you guessed it, the rest of the article was behind a paywall.


https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/heres-landmark-conference-signed-diiis-first-big-streaming-deal

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 14, 2023, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on July 13, 2023, 12:18:59 PM
Am I reading this right? We have to pay for landmark games now?  How is this a good model?

https://athletics.scranton.edu/news/2023/7/13/general-landmark-conference-announces-historic-partnership-with-flosports.aspx?utm_medium=sidearm-email&utm_source=athletics.scranton.edu&utm_campaign=Landmark+Conference+Announces+Historic+Partnership+with+FloSports&utm_content=64418e9b-0a8b-43ed-873d-431d00846fed

The Atlantic League of Professional Baseball (the top Indy League and a partner, who tried out many of the new rules you see in MLB.........of MLB) abandoned the excellent YouTube broadcasts of the last several years for Flobaseball. The typical Lancaster Barnstormers game had around 2820 viewers on YouTube. That number is now about 90% less with Flobaseball.

It had to be for some type of upfront check because they have lost most viewers...............most of who decided not to "go with the Flo".

Money.....Money.....Money.....Money.....Money.....Money.....Money. Who cares about the fans. Show me da money!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
The conference is getting seven figures to divide among 10 schools and five years, making it a little over 20K per school per year.

From that, the schools have to purchase a whole bunch of equipment from Flo, and from the rest of the money they'll have to hire more camera operators, after which maybe they'll have money left to invest in more broadcasters or training or whatever.

Dave McHugh had an excellent thread on this on Twitter yesterday:
https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1679586780356460547
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 14, 2023, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
The conference is getting seven figures to divide among 10 schools and five years, making it a little over 20K per school per year.

From that, the schools have to purchase a whole bunch of equipment from Flo, and from the rest of the money they'll have to hire more camera operators, after which maybe they'll have money left to invest in more broadcasters or training or whatever.

Dave McHugh had an excellent thread on this on Twitter yesterday:
https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1679586780356460547

Thank you, I meant to look at Dave's thoughts but forgot to do it yesterday. I wish I could look at the pay wall article I posted because it might have been a counter-point to Dave's tweets.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2023, 01:37:38 PM
I am sure that piece is indeed written from the perspective of the conference office because who would have been interviewed to provide the other voice?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 15, 2023, 10:03:09 AM

Emily Litella!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2023, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
The conference is getting seven figures to divide among 10 schools and five years, making it a little over 20K per school per year.

From that, the schools have to purchase a whole bunch of equipment from Flo, and from the rest of the money they'll have to hire more camera operators, after which maybe they'll have money left to invest in more broadcasters or training or whatever.

Dave McHugh had an excellent thread on this on Twitter yesterday:
https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1679586780356460547

I don't want to "Landmark bash", but after reading Dave's excellent thread on Twitter....................SHAME on you, Landmark Conference. There is squatta redeeming about this deal, for everybody and anybody interested in the Landmark.

You can't put yourself out there as a NESCAC, UAA, heck, even Centennial Conference quasi-equivalent.........and then sign this break-even or even money losing deal. A couple of successful alums could have thrown some pocket change at their respective college or university and made this go away.

First comes two MAC and a Keystone invite. Next comes Flo for chump change. I smell Lackawanna and Clarks Summit in the Landmark's future if they are willing to write a small check to be split up by the current schools!

All of the money goes to Flo?!?! THAT is a hard pass from this D3 lover. Even the MAC and the PSAC are snickering at this deal!!

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 17, 2023, 03:23:57 PM

Agreed.
This "deal" smells like a week old crab cake baking in the Baltimore heat.
How about the Commish tries a little explaining as to how this contract is in everyone's best interest.  ::)
So far, nothing but crickets from the respective schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 17, 2023, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 17, 2023, 03:23:57 PM

Agreed.
This "deal" smells like a week old crab cake baking in the Baltimore heat.
How about the Commish tries a little explaining as to how this contract is in everyone's best interest.  ::)
So far, nothing but crickets from the respective schools.

She did, it was just behind a paywall ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 25, 2023, 02:24:51 PM
 Scranton's 23-24 roster (returning players only) is up.  Looks Like Colucci and Braaten are no longer on the team.  Nothing official on the 4 freshmen or any possible transfers.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 25, 2023, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on July 25, 2023, 02:24:51 PM
Scranton's 23-24 roster (returning players only) is up.  Looks Like Colucci and Braaten are no longer on the team.  Nothing official on the 4 freshmen or any possible transfers.

Woof, very light across that front line.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 31, 2023, 06:26:56 PM
It is August, how about some news on recruits and schedule from the office on Linden Street.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 03, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
From the xfer board: Steven Braunstein is going to play his extra season for Stevens.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 10, 2023, 01:39:58 PM

Nice article on Pat Miller of Whitewater.

Geez, he wins 2 National Championships, countless trips with deep runs in the tournament & goes to the Final Four last year & is gracious enough to turn the program over to his assistant after 22 years with a ton of talent returning.

Although the UofS has had no such success under our current coach in the same time period as Miller's tenure, perhaps turning the program over one of these years could be a good first step in the rejuvenation process of a once proud program.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 31, 2023, 01:39:20 PM
Well I am a sucker, and now a subscriber to FloSports. Looks like you get access to all Flo Sports content.


and away we go.....
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2023, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 31, 2023, 01:39:20 PM
Well I am a sucker, and now a subscriber to FloSports. Looks like you get access to all Flo Sports content.


and away we go.....

And now as a football conference, you can watch Keystone take on Wilkes. Not quite Alabama at Georgia................that comes when Clarks Summit and Lackawanna get the Landmark invite. Get your tickets now and arrive at the tailgate early. Parking is limited!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 06, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
Starting to wonder if this year's team has a schedule!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2023, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 06, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
Starting to wonder if this year's team has a schedule!

People keep bringing these things to this board, but instead, send an email to the athletic department.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 06, 2023, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 06, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
Starting to wonder if this year's team has a schedule!

Scanned about 20 Mid-Atlantic possibilities; no one has Scranton on their nonconference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 06, 2023, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2023, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 06, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
Starting to wonder if this year's team has a schedule!

People keep bringing these things to this board, but instead, send an email to the athletic department.


Sorry we should stop posting here.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: stlawus on September 06, 2023, 06:31:44 PM
Lots of schools don't have schedules up yet, I'm not sure what the issue is. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on September 07, 2023, 10:16:50 AM
Here's two non-conference games for Scranton ... MAC Freedom teams Kings and Stevens. I know last year was part 1 of home/away vs Stevens so should be at Scranton this year. Kings schedule is out there with Scranton on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 07, 2023, 12:22:42 PM

Thanks Stretch.

Calling it now...
In the Stevens game, former Royal Stephen Braunstein will drop 24 in on his old team & lead the Ducks to a 78/61 victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on September 06, 2023, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2023, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 06, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
Starting to wonder if this year's team has a schedule!

People keep bringing these things to this board, but instead, send an email to the athletic department.


Sorry we should stop posting here.

You weren't the OP or anything here, but I think generally if the post is going to be in any way critical of an overworked SID, feel free to email them rather than post your gripe here.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 08, 2023, 01:57:32 PM
Could also be people excited about a schedule release, and being a bit factious. Let's not always assume everyone is attacking the athletic department.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 12, 2023, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 08, 2023, 01:57:32 PM
Could also be people excited about a schedule release, and being a bit factious. Let's not always assume everyone is attacking the athletic department.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Landmark football is not whetting the whistle for most on the board. Baddddddd week last week. Woof!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 12, 2023, 10:21:07 AM
 It's been 63 years since Scranton's last football(non club variety)game and some of those players were fellow students of mine.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 12, 2023, 11:40:28 AM
Nonconference schedule up: FDU-Florham, 1st game, part of Hilton Invitational

2nd day opponent in the Hilton(other 2 teams unknown at this point)

Mount Union #2 in the nation last season

Stevens, Cabrini(Ryan van Zelst), Arcadia, Kings
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 12, 2023, 11:48:48 PM
Looks like other match up is Farmingdale State and Marywood. Interesting to see Marywood in tournament.  I think I like the local flavor.

This is a very tough NC slate! Truly impressed in the scheduling
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 13, 2023, 12:25:48 AM
Just wish they'd get better teams than FDU and Marywood in the invitational. Continues a long tradition of the likes of Houghton and Bard, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 13, 2023, 10:07:34 AM
Two weaker teams and two stronger teams is often the formula for this tournaments aren't they?


Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 13, 2023, 11:21:22 AM

Typical Royal schedule minus the addition of Mt. Union.
Danzig rarely plays teams that good.
Not sure why he keeps playing the Arcadia's & Cabrini's of the world but he must really want to win the Van Zelst trophy this year.
Marywood, FDU, & Farmingdale St. is the best you can do for a Holiday Tournament?
I think I now miss the days of Bard, Sarah Lawrence & Cooper Union.
Tickets will sell out fast for this tourney.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 13, 2023, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 13, 2023, 11:21:22 AM

Typical Royal schedule minus the addition of Mt. Union.
Danzig rarely plays teams that good.
Not sure why he keeps playing the Arcadia's & Cabrini's of the world but he must really want to win the Van Zelst trophy this year.
Marywood, FDU, & Farmingdale St. is the best you can do for a Holiday Tournament?
I think I now miss the days of Bard, Sarah Lawrence & Cooper Union. Laurel Line Tournament
Tickets will sell out fast for this tourney.  ::)

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 14, 2023, 03:43:25 PM
I still stand by with my stance the NC slate. FDU is a nice tune-up and should be an easy one, with either a potential match-up with an NCAA team in Farmingdale State, or cross-town non-rival Marywood, a school they have not played since 03-04. I still think the two schools need to come together, along with the city to create some sort of mayor, or city cup. Maybe an entire athletics department competition with each team during season playing Marywood and keeping a trophy for overall winner. Nearly every team already competes against each other as it is. It might just be the men who doesn't play one another.

Stevens was a home and home, and a nice home coming for SB
Mount Union, defending finalist is something to be said. I am eager to see their schedule. They have to be passing through on the way to somewhere to play.
Cabrini has the history of playing each other, as well as Ryan coming back to coach. Perhaps a preview of years to come with him.
Arcadia - NCAA tournament.
King's - local rival.

All in all, games I am excited to see.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 14, 2023, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 14, 2023, 03:43:25 PM
I still stand by with my stance the NC slate. FDU is a nice tune-up and should be an easy one, with either a potential match-up with an NCAA team in Farmingdale State, or cross-town non-rival Marywood, a school they have not played since 03-04. I still think the two schools need to come together, along with the city to create some sort of mayor, or city cup. Maybe an entire athletics department competition with each team during season playing Marywood and keeping a trophy for overall winner. Nearly every team already competes against each other as it is. It might just be the men who doesn't play one another.

Stevens was a home and home, and a nice home coming for SB
Mount Union, defending finalist is something to be said. I am eager to see their schedule. They have to be passing through on the way to somewhere to play.
Cabrini has the history of playing each other, as well as Ryan coming back to coach. Perhaps a preview of years to come with him.
Arcadia - NCAA tournament.
King's - local rival.

All in all, games I am excited to see.


One note, Cabrini is closing it's doors at the end of year, so that won't be a long term relationship. It will be special for Ryan to come back to Scranton to coach against his mentor.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 15, 2023, 08:32:37 AM
I know, one last go at it
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 15, 2023, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 15, 2023, 08:32:37 AM
I know, one last go at it

I went back to read what your wrote, tracking now. ;)

Cabrini women just cancelled their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on September 15, 2023, 12:28:52 PM
Sad to see. Feel for those kids who stuck around for the year, especially graduating seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 20, 2023, 11:38:05 PM
First known '24 commit for the Royals:  6'1" Will Marion out of Abington Heights.

https://x.com/AHCometsBBB/status/1704669196120899842?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 21, 2023, 12:00:59 AM
      Royals will be part of 2nd Landmark @ the Penn Palestra Day playing Moravian on Jan 14 @ 7:30 pm. The 8 teams(men & women) that didn't play in the 1st one will be playing in this year's version; the other men's game on the program is Drew & Susque.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 21, 2023, 08:10:34 AM

Will's sister Clair wanted to play at Scranton but Dipillo didn't give her the time of day.
She's now a Centennial First Team All-Conference at Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 21, 2023, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 21, 2023, 12:00:59 AM
      Royals will be part of 2nd Landmark @ the Penn Palestra Day playing Moravian on Jan 14 @ 7:30 pm. The 8 teams(men & women) that didn't play in the 1st one will be playing in this year's version; the other men's game on the program is Drew & Susque.

Nice to get the prime time game...Flo Sports is going to charge $$$ for ads during that game.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 22, 2023, 04:11:27 PM
 Kings introduces(2024-2025) tuition scale for NJ students to be equal to Rutgers' fees for instate applicants. May be a serious threat to Scranton recruiting such applicants.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 22, 2023, 08:34:17 PM

Of course the Garden State map is Danzig's favorite, but there are 49 other ones.
Kings is desperate for enrollment.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 04, 2023, 10:38:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsiRrpQnGp0

SimpleCoach does great things for D3, thought you would enjoy the conversation with Landmark Commissioner. I just started, so no reviews yet..
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on October 04, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 22, 2023, 08:34:17 PM

Of course the Garden State map is Danzig's favorite, but there are 49 other ones.
Kings is desperate for enrollment.

I don't see this as a problem. He has a strong foothold there. Have to think where a large portion of the alumni base is. There is some recruiting to be said from that alone. A lot of guys get noticed by way of mouth as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 11, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
https://x.com/Scranton_MBB/status/1711842683575062791?s=20


Rumor is that there will be a new VIP Suite at the Long Center for the Scranton Posters on D3hoops.com.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2023, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 11, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
https://x.com/Scranton_MBB/status/1711842683575062791?s=20


Rumor is that there will be a new VIP Suite at the Long Center for the Scranton Posters on D3hoops.com.

It might fill up quickly though due to all of the Landmark Conference football posters on the site........and just wait until Clarks Summit and Lackawanna join the conference. Standing room only in the VIP Suite!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on October 12, 2023, 12:30:11 PM
I am going uniform announcement, and they are finally returning to home "Royals" in script. Ahhh, that would be a thing of beauty!  I have never sounded older!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 12, 2023, 04:59:59 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on October 12, 2023, 12:30:11 PM
I am going uniform announcement, and they are finally returning to home "Royals" in script. Ahhh, that would be a thing of beauty!  I have never sounded older!

But will any recruits be able to read it?   ;D  I work with a lot of high schoolers who don't know cursive!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 14, 2023, 11:01:41 AM
Roster is up, no suprises other than the transfer from the insitution formerly known as Baptist Bible.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on October 17, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
Home script unis! Looking good, Royals!

I should have played the lottery
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2023, 08:14:16 PM
 Royals' invitation for interest in playing in next year's tipoff tourney went out today; my preference is to solicit specific quality schools instead of a general message. With the nonconference possibilities now down to 7 from 11 previously, it becomes even more important to stress quality opponents from an SOS perspective.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 19, 2023, 08:47:54 AM

Personalized letters of invitation going out to Sarah Lawrence, Bard, Pratt & Houghton.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2023, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 19, 2023, 08:47:54 AM

Personalized letters of invitation going out to Sarah Lawrence, Bard, Pratt & Houghton.  :-[

........Clarks Summit, Lackawanna and Bucks County Community College already said yes!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 24, 2023, 07:15:51 PM

NEPA:

I'm guessing you didn't see the article yet.
You need to back away from the ledge & put down any sharp objects.
CUA is starting a Pep Band & they are actually hiring someone to direct it.

Scranton fans to UofS athletic dept...let's not do the same old/same old.
Get students engaged internally & stop depending on alumni all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2023, 08:46:10 AM
Quote from: saratoga on October 24, 2023, 07:15:51 PM

NEPA:

I'm guessing you didn't see the article yet.
You need to back away from the ledge & put down any sharp objects.
CUA is starting a Pep Band & they are actually hiring someone to direct it.

Scranton fans to UofS athletic dept...let's not do the same old/same old.
Get students engaged internally & stop depending on alumni all the time.


You trying to rile me up? Maybe they created this position out of their FloSports funds.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 30, 2023, 05:59:20 PM
 Catholic played an exhibition @ U of Vermont Saturday, losing 85-59.

Noticed adjustments to the conference schedule, ostensibly because of the Landmark @ the Palestra Jan 14. Jan 3 - Scranton plays a men/women doubleheader @ Etown instead of 1 game @ each school that night. Friday Jan 12 doubleheader @ Catholic instead of Saturday the 13th.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 03, 2023, 09:13:42 AM
Do the Royals scrimmage Haverford tomorrow? It is on d3hoops schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2023, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 03, 2023, 09:13:42 AM
Do the Royals scrimmage Haverford tomorrow? It is on d3hoops schedule

If there's a game on our schedule before Nov 8th, it's because one of the schools entered it themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 05, 2023, 07:36:26 PM
Photos posted on Royals Men's Basketball Instagram of scrimmage with Haverford. Few short days to go! Predictions... Do the Royals challenges Catholic and Susq for the Landmark?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 05, 2023, 10:18:08 PM

Great Day:

Sorry...just don't see the Royals cutting any nets this season.

To me, the scoring losses of Danzig & Braunstein will be too much for this years edition of the Royals to overcome.

The younger guys will hopefully improve their game throughout the season but there is only so much extra scoring they can add each game.

Spatola will help ease Stephan's 13 pt. scoring loss but Danzig's 23 ppg. will be difficult.

Plus, the Royals have never hit the offensive boards well so second chance shots will also more than likely be lacking.

Will is going to need help down low so teams can't frustrate him into 3 fouls in the first 12 minutes of the game...not sure where that comes from.

All in all, probably a very milquetoast kind of year in Royaland.

They'll win the ones they should, lose the ones they should & probably lose more than half of the toss ups.

Probably good enough to get in the Landmark playoffs as a 4 or 5 seed but I seriously doubt they get beyond that...especially if they're on the road.

Hope I'm wrong, that's why you lace them up.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2023, 09:30:26 AM
Any reports from insiders on how the two scrimmages went?


I see at least one kid in street clothes from the instragram photos, hopefully everyone else is healthy.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 06, 2023, 01:03:17 PM
 Haven't seen those photos but have seen previously that 1 of the frosh has suffered an injury so it's likely to be him.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 07, 2023, 12:29:42 PM
They scrimmaged with Haverford and the other school was?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2023, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 07, 2023, 12:29:42 PM
They scrimmaged with Haverford and the other school was?


My source says Montclair State earlier in the pre-season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2023, 08:37:37 PM

It would be nice if the Scranton SID or his assistant or the assistant's designated get things done person would list on the Royal's schedule who the other 2 teams are that are playing in the Hilton tournament.
I've heard that Marywood  is playing Farmingdale St. but are they playing before the Royal's idiotic 5:00 start or primetime?
What a beaut for an opening tournament.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2023, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 07, 2023, 08:37:37 PM

It would be nice if the Scranton SID or his assistant or the assistant's designated get things done person would list on the Royal's schedule who the other 2 teams are that are playing in the Hilton tournament.
I've heard that Marywood  is playing Farmingdale St. but are they playing before the Royal's idiotic 5:00 start or primetime?
What a beaut for an opening tournament.  ::)

Game times on saturday would be nice too...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2023, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 07, 2023, 08:37:37 PM

It would be nice if the Scranton SID or his assistant or the assistant's designated get things done person would list on the Royal's schedule who the other 2 teams are that are playing in the Hilton tournament.
I've heard that Marywood  is playing Farmingdale St. but are they playing before the Royal's idiotic 5:00 start or primetime?
What a beaut for an opening tournament.  ::)

Marywood's game time is 7:30 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2023, 09:20:45 PM

Thanks Ronk.
That's fantastic...the home team gives the primetime slot to the other 2 teams.
Unbefrickinleavable.
What would Bess do??
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2023, 09:45:01 PM
 I suspect they're giving the farthest traveling team(Farmingdale) 2 1/2 more hours to get some morning classes in before making the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 08, 2023, 10:54:12 AM
I am going to sound like Toby here, but, who cares what Bess would think about the game time start. He is a legend, 100%, but it is now well over 20 seasons since he left the sideline. They are not packing the Long Center for this tournament, so prime time means nothing anymore.

It could be a distance thing, but it could also be a coaching staff decision to play first. Gives time to scout the entire game 2, and in playing back to back days, gives a few extra hours to recover.

I see no problem in the teams coming in to play in your tip-off tournament. It is a tune-up for the season. You expect to walk through FU, and then play an NCAA team in game two. I see nothing wrong with playing two winnable games at home, especially when you are seeing who you have to fill 2 key players gone.

And, 3 days later you welcome the number 5 team in the nation to the Long Center.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 08, 2023, 11:48:41 AM

Bess & Gary Wodder accomplished more in 10 years than the referenced person could in a lifetime.
Want to play at 5:00 in front of 300 fans, have at it.
That time isn't reasonable for fans who work or students that may have even minimal interest but hey, who cares, it's just where Scranton men's basketball is right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 08, 2023, 12:57:12 PM
I can certainly see that argument. And you are correct. I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't like the start time. It will be near impossible to get there on time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 08, 2023, 03:31:04 PM

It's all good.
Just wish the Royal braintrust gave deference to the parents & families of the Royal players as opposed to Frabblewobble St.
If you can't make it in for a 5:00 start in the tournament...don't schedule it....find one closer to home.
Other than that, play ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2023, 03:44:46 PM
Bring back the Laurel Line Tournament and the likes of Baptist Bible and Marywood!


Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 08, 2023, 04:14:58 PM

You got 1/2 your wish...Marywood is there.
Bard & Sarah Lawrence never had difficulty playing at 5:00.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 09, 2023, 05:52:46 AM
Who do you want in the tournament?! You clamor for years gone by. The Laurel Line was simply a local affair. I'm not saying this is impressive,  but you have an NCAA tournament team in FSU coming. Just a few years ago you had Swarthmore. Yes, there is and will always be a tune-up game, but many teams do that. I see nothing wrong with that. You have what should be a walk through game, followed by a good game Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2023, 09:39:01 AM
 One needs a strong SOS to compete for the at-large spots in the NCAA field and, with the reduced # of nonconference games(from 11 to 7 this season), a good way to do it is to invite 2 quality opponents to the tipoff tourney. Farmingdale is an NCAA team only in the sense of having won the AQ of a weaker conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 09, 2023, 09:47:34 AM
I do see your point, but I think some self-reflection being done here as well by the staff. This is a team that lost two top scorers and a lot of question marks. Their path to an NCAA bid is through winning the conference. Their SOS is going to be brought down by the conference having 4 extra games now.

So, to have two confidence building games under their belt heading into a "see how good you are" match up with the #5 team in the country is okay in my eyes.

I'd also love to see Marywood beat FSU, and set up a crosstown game we haven't seen in 20 years. And trust me, I understand why we don't see that game anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 09, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
Preseason poll out. I thought the Landmark did away with these. A welcomed return. Royals slated at 4, which sounds about right.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 10, 2023, 08:33:08 AM
Happy Game Day! Hope everyone got their Flo Sports subscriptions in order!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 10, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Be there in person. Here's to a good season!  Go Royals!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2023, 11:06:03 AM

Just got my tickets from StubHub.
I'll be sitting right behind the Pep Band...that's all they had left.
Should be a dandy.  :-\
Go Purp!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2023, 09:21:07 AM

Nice win by the Royals.

As for Flo-Sports technology...the broadcasts are essentially as one review put it, "run by the winners of third place in an 8th. grade science fair".
I did not see any improvement in quality or production.
In fact, some of the same issues that have plagued Royal broadcasts in the past are still evident.
Dean sounded like he was broadcasting the game from a submarine somewhere off the coast of southern Argentina & the camera person should be informed you can adjust the lens to bring the court & players a bit closer so it doesn't appear we are watching a game on Pluto via the Hubble telescope.

On the other hand, I flipped to the Marywood/Wilkes women's game to see how they looked since the Lady Royals have both coming up & the Marywood production was a million times better.
The picture was bright & clear, the play by play was spot on volume wise & they offer different camera angles such as higher up in the stands, from the floor & under the basket.

Not sure what FloSports is supposed to be bringing to the table for the privilege of paying but so far it appears to be, in the words of the great Edwin Starr...absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2023, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 11, 2023, 09:21:07 AM

Nice win by the Royals.

As for Flo-Sports technology...the broadcasts are essentially as one review put it, "run by the winners of third place in an 8th. grade science fair".
I did not see any improvement in quality or production.
In fact, some of the same issues that have plagued Royal broadcasts in the past are still evident.
Dean sounded like he was broadcasting the game from a submarine somewhere off the coast of southern Argentina & the camera person should be informed you can adjust the lens to bring the court & players a bit closer so it doesn't appear we are watching a game on Pluto via the Hubble telescope.

On the other hand, I flipped to the Marywood/Wilkes women's game to see how they looked since the Lady Royals have both coming up & the Marywood production was a million times better.
The picture was bright & clear, the play by play was spot on volume wise & they offer different camera angles such as higher up in the stands, from the floor & under the basket.

Not sure what FloSports is supposed to be bringing to the table for the privilege of paying but so far it appears to be, in the words of the great Edwin Starr...absolutely nothing.

I have to admit, one of the better posts in recent memory. I appreciate it. I had a few good laughs.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 11, 2023, 01:02:09 PM
 Surprised that Mason Thompson wasn't in the rotation and was hoping 1 of the frosh was good enough to play right away ala Spatola and EJ last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 11, 2023, 10:00:17 PM
 Stephen Braunstein with 18 pts for Stevens against Catholic today; he'll be playing in the Long Center next Saturday. Could have used his 3-pt shooting today against Farmingdale.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2023, 10:03:57 PM
Hanley looks very good thus far this season. Is there a scenario where he gets on the court at the same time as McLoughlin?


Also, is there a return policy on my FloSports subscription? Mount Union up next on the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 11, 2023, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2023, 10:03:57 PM
Hanley looks very good thus far this season. Is there a scenario where he gets on the court at the same time as McLoughlin?


Also, is there a return policy on my FloSports subscription? Mount Union up next on the schedule.

I'd play him at the same time in place of Khoza(4 rebs in 2 games, so far); let Khoza be the sub for Will or Hanley
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 12, 2023, 04:41:56 PM

Hanley has to start.
Will get's in foul trouble not because of dumb fouls but because he has no help on the weak side and he tries to do too much.
Get him a partner down low who's not afraid to bang & help out & it will be a win/win.
There will certainly be games when 1 or both get in trouble but that's when Danzig get's to earn his salary by coaching kids up.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 11, 2023, 09:21:07 AM

Nice win by the Royals.

As for Flo-Sports technology...the broadcasts are essentially as one review put it, "run by the winners of third place in an 8th. grade science fair".
I did not see any improvement in quality or production.
In fact, some of the same issues that have plagued Royal broadcasts in the past are still evident.
Dean sounded like he was broadcasting the game from a submarine somewhere off the coast of southern Argentina & the camera person should be informed you can adjust the lens to bring the court & players a bit closer so it doesn't appear we are watching a game on Pluto via the Hubble telescope.

On the other hand, I flipped to the Marywood/Wilkes women's game to see how they looked since the Lady Royals have both coming up & the Marywood production was a million times better.
The picture was bright & clear, the play by play was spot on volume wise & they offer different camera angles such as higher up in the stands, from the floor & under the basket.

Not sure what FloSports is supposed to be bringing to the table for the privilege of paying but so far it appears to be, in the words of the great Edwin Starr...absolutely nothing.

I'm hoping to watch the Marywood videostream of tonight's Lady Royals game but there isn't a link posted on the Marywood schedule. How were u able to watch the Wilkes-Marywood game?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 13, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
https://atlanticeastnetwork.com/marywood/
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2023, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 13, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 11, 2023, 09:21:07 AM

Nice win by the Royals.

As for Flo-Sports technology...the broadcasts are essentially as one review put it, "run by the winners of third place in an 8th. grade science fair".
I did not see any improvement in quality or production.
In fact, some of the same issues that have plagued Royal broadcasts in the past are still evident.
Dean sounded like he was broadcasting the game from a submarine somewhere off the coast of southern Argentina & the camera person should be informed you can adjust the lens to bring the court & players a bit closer so it doesn't appear we are watching a game on Pluto via the Hubble telescope.

On the other hand, I flipped to the Marywood/Wilkes women's game to see how they looked since the Lady Royals have both coming up & the Marywood production was a million times better.
The picture was bright & clear, the play by play was spot on volume wise & they offer different camera angles such as higher up in the stands, from the floor & under the basket.

Not sure what FloSports is supposed to be bringing to the table for the privilege of paying but so far it appears to be, in the words of the great Edwin Starr...absolutely nothing.

I'm hoping to watch the Marywood videostream of tonight's Lady Royals game but there isn't a link posted on the Marywood schedule. How were u able to watch the Wilkes-Marywood game?

There's a video link there now.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
Go to the M-Wood basketball home page.
Then go to schedule, scroll to the game vs. Scranton & click watch.
I think it will be pretty evident their broadcasts are far better than what we get to pay for.

Another game on at 6:00 that will get some added interest in the Scranton area is Kansas at Penn St.
The Lady Lions have 2 Scranton players in Kylie Lavelle & Moriah Murray getting considerable time.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 13, 2023, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 13, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
Go to the M-Wood basketball home page.
Then go to schedule, scroll to the game vs. Scranton & click watch.
I think it will be pretty evident their broadcasts are far better than what we get to pay for.

Another game on at 6:00 that will get some added interest in the Scranton area is Kansas at Penn St.
The Lady Lions have 2 Scranton players in Kylie Lavelle & Moriah Murray getting considerable time.  :)


Why is this game at 6pm? It may be over by 6:05
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2023, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 13, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
Go to the M-Wood basketball home page.
Then go to schedule, scroll to the game vs. Scranton & click watch.
I think it will be pretty evident their broadcasts are far better than what we get to pay for.

Another game on at 6:00 that will get some added interest in the Scranton area is Kansas at Penn St.
The Lady Lions have 2 Scranton players in Kylie Lavelle & Moriah Murray getting considerable time.  :)

There isn't anything that is labeled "watch", but there was a little dodad that I clicked on and brought up the Marywood tv link.    Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2023, 03:11:37 PM

Correct...
Many schools have a simple click that says watch.
Marywood has the referenced do-dad symbol that will do the trick.

The Lady Royals can press M-wood into submission if they want.
However, my guess is that Ben plays nice & uses the bench whenever he has the chance.

There are tough games as you don't want to win by 50 yet you also don't want to play sloppy with kids just running up & down taking undisciplined shots.

Hoping for something resembling a competitive game.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2023, 03:36:05 PM
https://athletics.goucher.edu/sports/mbkb/2023-24/releases/20231114wyv8uz

Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 15, 2023, 03:49:01 PM
Well deserved!  Great kid!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2023, 04:23:08 PM

Agreed.
Some great options out there for the Royals future.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 16, 2023, 03:48:20 PM
Now imagine a full student section and a pep band ;)


https://x.com/Scranton_MBB/status/1724998029625713092?s=20

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 16, 2023, 06:35:57 PM

The athletic department needs to provide a 2 semester internship each year to Marketing students or others, with the best ideas to implement internal interest...in all teams.

However, the lack of support for men's basketball is especially noticeable & has needed attention for years.

One of "lost" members of the brotherhood will be coming home Saturday & will probably drop 24 on his ex mates.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 17, 2023, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 16, 2023, 06:35:57 PM

The athletic department needs to provide a 2 semester internship each year to Marketing students or others, with the best ideas to implement internal interest...in all teams.

However, the lack of support for men's basketball is especially noticeable & has needed attention for years.

One of "lost" members of the brotherhood will be coming home Saturday & will probably drop 24 on his ex mates.

Penn State's Whiteout game aside, students at many levels of play, have lost interest in not just attending, but even following sports in general. I was in a group of primarily young men, talking about Hurts and Mahomes and the upcoming Super Bowl rematch. They looked at me as if I had five heads and six eyes. Now, when the discussion turned to the Middle East.........they couldn't shut up (and you wouldn't have wanted to have heard the commentary.......think delusional libs).

I think that the days of gyms and stadiums packed with students is gone and never coming back.

But to be honest, I'm more concerned about the future WWIII than I am about getting 500 students back in the Long Center and other PA college gyms. But I'm old and getting cranky! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 17, 2023, 10:19:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 17, 2023, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 16, 2023, 06:35:57 PM

The athletic department needs to provide a 2 semester internship each year to Marketing students or others, with the best ideas to implement internal interest...in all teams.

However, the lack of support for men's basketball is especially noticeable & has needed attention for years.

One of "lost" members of the brotherhood will be coming home Saturday & will probably drop 24 on his ex mates.

Penn State's Whiteout game aside, students at many levels of play, have lost interest in not just attending, but even following sports in general. I was in a group of primarily young men, talking about Hurts and Mahomes and the upcoming Super Bowl rematch. They looked at me as if I had five heads and six eyes. Now, when the discussion turned to the Middle East.........they couldn't shut up (and you wouldn't have wanted to have heard the commentary.......think delusional libs).

I think that the days of gyms and stadiums packed with students is gone and never coming back.

But to be honest, I'm more concerned about the future WWIII than I am about getting 500 students back in the Long Center and other PA college gyms. But I'm old and getting cranky! ;)
Well, it seems like you are in the right room.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
EJ Matthew-Spratley no longer on roster. Anyone got a scoop?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 18, 2023, 09:54:16 PM

Something is not right with this program...nor has it been for some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 19, 2023, 05:54:06 PM
Having survived twice in their first 3 games, CUA lost 65-63 to Hood College today. Cards were down by as many as 15 in the 2nd half before mounting a comeback. Two good looks from three in the final minute did not fall.

Quality of opponent has been much higher for CUA so far this season than last season. Cards have played Mary Washington, Stevens, and Hood already. However, at this moment the Cards are not playing like a top 25 team. They have committed 57 turnovers through 4 games, with many of them resulting from players traveling, stepping on the sideline, or simply throwing it out of bounds. I would say the Cards' only complete performance so far was the Stevens game.

Still early, but right now there is work to be done if the Cards hope to seriously contend for the Landmark title.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2023, 09:07:10 PM
 I'm sensing a dropoff in physical talent this season throughout the Landmark such that coaching, execution and lack of injuries would be bigger factors than normal in determining the champion. Looks like a competitive battle just to be 1 of the 6 in the postseason tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 19, 2023, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
EJ Matthew-Spratley no longer on roster. Anyone got a scoop?

Watched the Scranton/Stevens game and the story I heard was that the coaching staff dismissed him from the team. From what I was told there were repeated conflicts and challenges with Matthew-Spratley going back to last year and the coaches had given him numerous warnings and chances to comply with team rules. Sounded as if it came to a head this past week.

If he is indeed done, that is obviously a big blow for Scranton. I can tell you that on the printed program for Saturday's game, his name was not on it. Next man up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2023, 11:03:03 PM
 Yes, Scranton will miss EJ's athleticism. Will say that I talked with his dad & uncle frequently during last season's 2 NCAA tourney games @ Randolph-Macon and there was no indication of any dissatisfaction with his Scranton basketball situation; doesn't mean, however, that they weren't keeping their cards close to their vests.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: Stretch4 on November 19, 2023, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
EJ Matthew-Spratley no longer on roster. Anyone got a scoop?

Watched the Scranton/Stevens game and the story I heard was that the coaching staff dismissed him from the team. From what I was told there were repeated conflicts and challenges with Matthew-Spratley going back to last year and the coaches had given him numerous warnings and chances to comply with team rules. Sounded as if it came to a head this past week.

If he is indeed done, that is obviously a big blow for Scranton. I can tell you that on the printed program for Saturday's game, his name was not on it. Next man up.

You recieved this insight from the broadcast? Curious where you heard the story.

This is last years FR recruiting class:

11   Nick Colucci   Fr.   G   6-3   Havertown, Pa. / Haverford
12   EJ Matthews-Spratley   Fr.   G   6-2   Cherry Hill, N.J. / Cherry Hill East
20   Luca Baratta   Fr.   G   6-2   Richboro, Pa. / Perkiomen School
21   Jon Spatola   Fr.   G   5-9   Marlboro, N.J. / Marlboro
22   Teddy Spratt   Fr.   G   6-4   Doylestown, Pa. / Central Bucks West
40   Luke Braaten   Fr.   F   6-7   Brick, N.J. / Brick Memorial
41   Matthew Hanley   Fr.   F   6-6   Staten Island, N.Y. / Monsignor Farrell

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 20, 2023, 09:18:05 AM
Where did the other two go?

This on top of the other kids who have come and gone in previous years, including transfers that were on the roster for a hot minute and gone.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 09:53:32 AM

Luke still attends school at the UofS, just decided he was done playing ball after 1 year (all too frequent story).
Not sure about the other young man.

Word is clearly out there that if you go to Scranton you better get favored status early or it can be years before playing time is bestowed upon you.

Not ready to say just yet that the wheels are coming off the brotherhood bus but, they certainly won't pass inspection.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 20, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: Stretch4 on November 19, 2023, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 18, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
EJ Matthew-Spratley no longer on roster. Anyone got a scoop?

Watched the Scranton/Stevens game and the story I heard was that the coaching staff dismissed him from the team. From what I was told there were repeated conflicts and challenges with Matthew-Spratley going back to last year and the coaches had given him numerous warnings and chances to comply with team rules. Sounded as if it came to a head this past week.

If he is indeed done, that is obviously a big blow for Scranton. I can tell you that on the printed program for Saturday's game, his name was not on it. Next man up.

You recieved this insight from the broadcast? Curious where you heard the story.

... Heard this in the lobby at the Long Center from a congregating group of Scranton players parents
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 09:53:32 AM

Luke still attends school at the UofS, just decided he was done playing ball after 1 year (all too frequent story).
Not sure about the other young man.

Word is clearly out there that if you go to Scranton you better get favored status early or it can be years before playing time is bestowed upon you.

Not ready to say just yet that the wheels are coming off the brotherhood bus but, they certainly won't pass inspection.

I'm thinking Luke is a Presidential Scholarship recipient and that his academic requirements outweigh his basketball contributions, so understandable his leaving the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Stretch:

Now that's doing a great job as an operative.
Pretend to be eating a Royal dog at halftime but you're actually taking notes.  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 20, 2023, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 09:53:32 AM

Luke still attends school at the UofS, just decided he was done playing ball after 1 year (all too frequent story).
Not sure about the other young man.

Word is clearly out there that if you go to Scranton you better get favored status early or it can be years before playing time is bestowed upon you.

Not ready to say just yet that the wheels are coming off the brotherhood bus but, they certainly won't pass inspection.

I'm thinking Luke is a Presidential Scholarship recipient and that his academic requirements outweigh his basketball contributions, so understandable his leaving the team.

That was actually Luca Baratta:

https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2022/09/news-presidential-scholars-2026.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2023, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on November 20, 2023, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 09:53:32 AM

Luke still attends school at the UofS, just decided he was done playing ball after 1 year (all too frequent story).
Not sure about the other young man.

Word is clearly out there that if you go to Scranton you better get favored status early or it can be years before playing time is bestowed upon you.

Not ready to say just yet that the wheels are coming off the brotherhood bus but, they certainly won't pass inspection.

I'm thinking Luke is a Presidential Scholarship recipient and that his academic requirements outweigh his basketball contributions, so understandable his leaving the team.

That was actually Luca Baratta:

https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2022/09/news-presidential-scholars-2026.shtml

Thanks for the correction; I knew it was 1 of the frosh last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2023, 06:20:03 PM
I guess you never know who will be lurking in the lobby of the John Long Center. Our network is vast... Thanks for the intel.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 20, 2023, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 19, 2023, 09:07:10 PM
I'm sensing a dropoff in physical talent this season throughout the Landmark such that coaching, execution and lack of injuries would be bigger factors than normal in determining the champion. Looks like a competitive battle just to be 1 of the 6 in the postseason tourney.

The league does seem to be a long ways away from the talent present in 2015-16: Boken, Weidlich, Josh Miller, Fonville, Jay Howard.

I like the point about coaching. I think CUA will miss Justin Klingman on the bench during the season. I hope he is able to have some success at Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 07:50:30 PM

CardsFan:

Absolutely agree on the dilution of talent in the Landmark over the past 5/7 years.
If you can recruit good kids & know the x/o's, you could live at the top of this league forever.
Personally, I'm hoping Justin gets his on the job training at Goucher this year & then makes it back home to Scranton to lead the Royals.
Early Christmas wish.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 21, 2023, 03:19:54 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 20, 2023, 07:50:30 PM

CardsFan:

Absolutely agree on the dilution of talent in the Landmark over the past 5/7 years.
If you can recruit good kids & know the x/o's, you could live at the top of this league forever.
Personally, I'm hoping Justin gets his on the job training at Goucher this year & then makes it back home to Scranton to lead the Royals.
Early Christmas wish.

Saratoga I agree that that coach would live at the top of this league. The only thing I would add is I think mental toughness plays a huge part in being successful in Landmark play. Because the talent gap among the teams is so small, the coach that can consistently motivate his players will have a lot of success. My feeling is that is a big part of why Susquehanna has been so successful the past few years. Yes, they have had very talented players, but I am always impressed by the way Coach Marcinek has his team ready to play. I felt they were very mentally and emotionally prepared for both games against Catholic last season, and the Cards did not match that energy.

Similarly, in last season's Landmark semifinal, I thought Scranton's competitiveness in that game affected the Cards. Specifically, EJ Matthews-Spratley played a great game off the bench, he talked the right amount of trash throughout (I am not complaining about this), and he really fed off the CUA crowd. I think mental toughness goes a long way in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2023, 01:54:39 PM

Cardsfan, I loved how EJ played at CUA last year. That student section is right on top of court, and the kids end up jumping up and down practically on the floor.


Royals back at it tonight Ryan Van Zelst is in a tough spot, the last year of Cabirni basketball, they are 0-5 on the season. Good night to watch some basketball on the stream.

Hope those who are traveling, travel safe and enjoy food, family and football/basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
Yeesh. About as bad a loss as I can remember. Winless program which will cease to exist in 3 months. Ranks up with 03 loss to Marywood.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2023, 09:01:12 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
The Royals need a break to regroup.
Totally outplayed by Coach Van Zelst's kids, so the break is at a perfect time.
Can't lose when you don't play.
The season's young but things could go south in a hurry if...(fill in the blanks).
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
You think the team misses EJ? 

Royals were down 20-5 at one point.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2023, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
Yeesh. About as bad a loss as I can remember. Winless program which will cease to exist in 3 months. Ranks up with 03 loss to Marywood.


Thought this was a Saratoga post at first glance
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 21, 2023, 10:09:54 PM
Ha! Nope! Flashback, right?!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2023, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
Yeesh. About as bad a loss as I can remember. Winless program which will cease to exist in 3 months. Ranks up with 03 loss to Marywood.
That was a miserable season which also included a home loss to Miseri when they & Marywood had only had a men's team for 10 years. The Royals had 2 returning starters from the team that had won twice in the NCAA tourney the year before but 1(Brian O'Donnell) broke his hand and missed the next 5 weeks of the season. The other(Ryan Rogan) transferred out 2 weeks later.
  Mason Thompson showed some offense in the 2nd half after fouling 3 times in 3 mins in the 1st half.
  Back door cuts killed them plus at least 3 inbound passes intercepted under their own basket.
  Hopefully, Will returns for the start of the conference season in 8 days.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 21, 2023, 11:41:52 PM
Good bounce-back win for Catholic at home tonight 66-59 over Marymount. The Cards were down as many as 11 early in the second half, but from that point they played clean basketball (very few turnovers) and started passing more than dribbling.

Senior Jesse Hafemeister was good tonight, scoring 20. Over the weekend he really struggled shooting from the perimeter, including missing two good looks from three at the end of the Hood game that would have won it, but tonight he played mostly inside the arc and was much more efficient. Good performance from fellow senior Tommy Kelly as well, who scored almost all of his 13 points during the comeback.

Cards start Landmark play at home to Elizabethtown next Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2023, 08:39:26 AM

Great Day:

Absolutely correct...another really, really bad loss.

Knocked off by a dead team walking.

Coaching is a lot like a Holiday party...

Don't arrive too early & never have to be reminded it's time to go.  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2023, 08:59:37 AM
EJ is in the transfer portal.

Don't think there will be any reconcilation.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 22, 2023, 09:16:21 AM
Over under the 5 win 03-04 season...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2023, 12:49:08 PM
Over - projecting 11 wins
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 22, 2023, 04:23:32 PM
11 is going to be a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 22, 2023, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 21, 2023, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
Yeesh. About as bad a loss as I can remember. Winless program which will cease to exist in 3 months. Ranks up with 03 loss to Marywood.
That was a miserable season which also included a home loss to Miseri when they & Marywood had only had a men's team for 10 years. The Royals had 2 returning starters from the team that had won twice in the NCAA tourney the year before but 1(Brian O'Donnell) broke his hand and missed the next 5 weeks of the season. The other(Ryan Rogan) transferred out 2 weeks later.
  Mason Thompson showed some offense in the 2nd half after fouling 3 times in 3 mins in the 1st half.
  Back door cuts killed them plus at least 3 inbound passes intercepted under their own basket.
  Hopefully, Will returns for the start of the conference season in 8 days.
Misericordia's men's program started in the early 1980's.  Marywood's program came along in the mid-90's.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2023, 09:39:35 AM

Perhaps a little known fact of Miseri basketball...

Mike Dunleavey, current Governor of the great state of Alaska & graduate of Scranton Central High School, was a pretty darn good basketball player for the Cougars.

After graduating from Miseri, he headed northwest & the rest is history.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2023, 10:51:15 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 23, 2023, 09:39:35 AM

Perhaps a little known fact of Miseri basketball...

Mike Dunleavey, current Governor of the great state of Alaska & graduate of Scranton Central High School, was a pretty darn good basketball player for the Cougars.

After graduating from Miseri, he headed northwest & the rest is history.

I saw him listed as 1 of the distinguished Miseri alumni, but didn't know about his basketball or Scranton Central background.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 23, 2023, 01:30:26 PM
I'll say 8 wins for our beloved Royals.

Happy turkey day everyone!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2023, 02:17:30 PM

If this season does in fact turn out to be an 8 win kind of year for this once proud program, it should come with an engraved retirement watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 23, 2023, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 23, 2023, 09:39:35 AM

Perhaps a little known fact of Miseri basketball...

Mike Dunleavey, current Governor of the great state of Alaska & graduate of Scranton Central High School, was a pretty darn good basketball player for the Cougars.

After graduating from Miseri, he headed northwest & the rest is history.
I didn't know Mike Dunleavy was from Scranton - maybe they should name a street after him.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 24, 2023, 09:44:12 AM

Given the fact that Mike is a Republican, I somehow just don't see that happening in the Electric City. 

Maybe if he becomes President.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 28, 2023, 03:30:27 PM
All jokes aside, I think they will get to and pass 8. While they lack depth, they do have some good talent. The conference looks like it will beat each other up, and you can imagine them being around a .500 team, though they have shown very little to start the season to indicate that.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 29, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
Scranton - Wilkes tonight. There was a time when that was something. And students would make that trip down 81. Tonight, I'd guess under 5 students travel down.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2023, 03:53:21 PM
 In my days, usually around 30 Kings students would walk to the @ Scranton game. The crowd in the gym looked forward to their appearance sometime during the preliminary frosh game between the 2 teams. We can't get anyone to walk down from the dorms for the games now.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Maybe Danzig should come out in a purple tux like Bess did in a big game against Wilkes years ago.  ::)
That guy (Bess) had style & certainly savoir-faire...not to mention 2 National Championships & several other trips to the Final Four & a ton of Sweet 16's.
Meanwhile, we lament of those days of future passed.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 29, 2023, 09:14:21 PM
Doc Wodder and O'Malley use to share stories of those days in my coaching courses.
Lord your point on not even getting kids out if the dorms to come to a home game.

Nice showing tonight. I'm rethinking that over/under
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2023, 09:49:24 PM
Hey they out scored the Wilkes women!!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2023, 10:08:28 PM
Could be more of the same Saturday @ Juniata w/o Will; they have a quality big in Chase Husted and the Royals have struggled there with better teams in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2023, 10:20:53 PM

This team looks so lost out there.
They appear so disorganized & let's face it, beyond Will & Spatola, I think it's safe to say this is what Royal men's basketball is going to look like for the next several years & it's not pretty.
Next exit.....the Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on November 29, 2023, 11:17:38 PM
Cards finally got some of those open threes they've been missing to go down tonight, going 12-28 (8 coming in the 2nd half) en route to beating Elizabethtown 98-54. Third straight game taking pretty good care of the ball. Unlikely leading scorer for the Cards tonight with sophomore CJ Ruoff coming off the bench to score 17. Second good game for Ruoff this season. He scored 9 vital points in the win against Stevens.

Elizabethtown was without Rance Russo tonight. Possibly injured?

I see there were a lot of nailbiters across the Landmark tonight....... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on November 30, 2023, 08:20:32 AM
Glad I didn't subscribe to Flo!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2023, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on November 30, 2023, 08:20:32 AM
Glad I didn't subscribe to Flo!


Would be cool if Flo could do a multi-view so I could watch multiple games at once.

What is wrong with Will?

You thing Klingman smells blood in the water when he brings Goucher to town?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 01, 2023, 04:46:10 PM

I think the coaching staff of the Little Sister's of the Poor would smell blood in the water playing Scranton this year.  :-[

As a long time Royal booster & alum told me this week, $%@0>$~Danzig(^&@#!??<^*$<<

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 02, 2023, 03:45:32 PM
Changing the question. Over/under 5.5 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2023, 07:41:02 PM
Coach Danzig was by himself today. Not sure if the rest of the staff was under the weather. Don't want to speculate
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2023, 07:50:49 PM
Dean said assistant Frank was under the weather. 30 turnovers would put a lot more under the weather.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2023, 08:11:58 PM

Royals play recently is a lot like COVID...its made many people sick.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2023, 05:08:10 PM
Scranton has had two historical performances in the last few weeks;

Fewest Points (Shot Clock Era, 1985 to the present)
1. #41, at Randolph Macon, Mar. 4, 2023
2. 42, at The College of New Jersey, Dec. 5, 2005
3. 43, at Bloomsburg, Jan. 15, 1996///43 points on Saturday at Juniata
4. 44, at Misericordia, Nov. 19, 2014//44, at Juniata, Dec. 2, 2017
17. 48 Points at Wilkes on 29 November

Source:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/documents/2023/8/3/Men_s_Basketball_Record_Book_2023.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2023, 06:59:20 PM
 I suggest they use true PG Colin Merriman more to cut down on the turnovers and go with a transition offense(3 on 3, eg.) rather than their 5 man half court offense. They need to appreciate the value of ball possession rather than the risk/reward they been achieving with 30 turnovers in the most recent game. They only had 11 turnovers against their strongest foe to date(Mount Union) and that included an OT period.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 05, 2023, 03:39:15 PM
The offense may have more of these nights to come. Not sure where the offense is going to come from.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2023, 05:07:50 PM

Let's see what tomorrow may bring.
We have an undefeated Drew team coming in that scores a ton of ppg.
And, we have an essentially winless Royals team that as NEPA points out, simply doesn't score, period.

If Will plays:
Drew: 74/Scranton: 62

If there's no Will:
Drew: 80/Royals: 54

Should the Royals get thumped in this game, take Saturday's line & put all your extra cash on the Gophers.
Justin will have a triumphant return.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2023, 02:47:41 PM
 For some unknown reason, Etown/Juniata have deviated from the standard Landmark schedule by moving their games to the 3rd weekend in Dec. Juniata women will play Lebanon Valley instead tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 06, 2023, 02:59:36 PM
So we wait all year for games, but I am having a hard time finding the drive to go to the game tonight. I know that makes me sound like a fair weather fan, so I need some talking into...
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on December 06, 2023, 02:59:36 PM
So we wait all year for games, but I am having a hard time finding the drive to go to the game tonight. I know that makes me sound like a fair weather fan, so I need some talking into...

It could be the bounce off the bottom, then again, maybe not. They did play a good game against Mount Union not so long ago. If Will is back and they have focused on possession basketball, they have the ability to make the conference playoffs.
And you would be there for the awakening. How's that for a pregame speech?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 06, 2023, 03:44:28 PM
Well said! 

Isn't that the beauty of sports though?  No matter where you are, you always feel like you have a chance, at least you should, or you shouldn't be playing. You always believe that this game will be the start of something. Here's to moving forward!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
Great Day:

Have no fear...I have it from a very reliable source that Danzig is going to use the pre-game speech he gave the troops in 2006 right before they played William Patterson in the 1st. rd. of the NCAA tourney.
He will then modify some aspects to fit the speech's he gave in 2008 vs. Elms, 2009 vs. Brandeis, 2011 vs. Becker, 2014 vs. Hobart and 2016 vs. Lynchburg.

On second thought...you may want to just listen to Dean.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2023, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on December 06, 2023, 03:44:28 PM
Well said! 

Isn't that the beauty of sports though?  No matter where you are, you always feel like you have a chance, at least you should, or you shouldn't be playing. You always believe that this game will be the start of something. Here's to moving forward!


Please give a full debrief on the atmosphere tonight. Maybe bring a paper bag for your head?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on December 06, 2023, 08:19:31 PM
Guess I was right to not be confident about tonight's game.....now 6 losses in a row to Susquehanna. Lost the last three games in Selinsgrove by a total of 9 points. Didn't watch the game, so I'm only going off the box score. Missing 6 FTs in a game you lose by 2 always stings. Oh well, gotta recover and get ready for the trip to Moravian Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 06, 2023, 09:25:40 PM
Crowd felt like an 1230 game on Monday after finals week when everyone goes home.

Overall, the staff stayed up on the team, and lots of positive talk.

They turn it over a ton, not a lot of good looks, outsized, and they just have guys playing that aren't ready to be out there yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2023, 10:35:06 PM

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2023, 10:41:01 PM
 Sounds like a recipe for a barnburner on Saturday against Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2023, 11:08:21 PM

The injury bug keeps hitting the Lady Royals yet they keep on movin' on.

Tonight Maddy H. returns from a hamstring injury & Jenna L. played in her first game of the year since her pre-season foot injury.

Hanna still wearing das boot from her injury vs. Wilkes & Victoria in street clothes & appearing to be hobbling.

In the meantime, the subs keep coming in & accruing valuable playing time as well as doing some nice scoring & playing D.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2023, 11:11:27 PM

Sorry...meant this for the women's board.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2023, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2023, 11:11:27 PM

Sorry...meant this for the women's board.

It's okay. We could use the positive vibes here.


Greyer than usual on Linden Street this Winter.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2023, 07:40:21 PM
The site is down every other day, should we establish alternative comms to make sure we can continue our mission to make Scranton Basketball great again?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 09, 2023, 11:16:40 AM

Part of me says the Royals end their slide today against one of the conference's usual cellar dwellers.

However, in Lee Corso's best...not so fast, I think there may be too many variables working for the Gophers today that will help them pull this one out.

Not too many times a former player gets to return as a coach and go against his old team.
It happens today.

Add in that his dad is still employed at the UofS & was their greatest soccer coach & his mom was the D3 National Player of the Year leading the Lady Royals to a National Championship & you can throw out all the advantages the Royals may have.

Justin's return to the Long Center will be a happy one as his kids reach deep & pull this one out.

Goucher:66/Scranton:63.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 09, 2023, 05:35:13 PM
15 point loss at home. To Goucher. I think there is a new cellar-dweller. Yikes. Might need to change my user name.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 09, 2023, 07:23:35 PM

The Royals situation isn't only because of a few injuries or a starter quitting...the issues run much deeper than that.

Just the past 2 games alone the Royals have come out of halftime in relatively close games & been trounced by giving up something like 15-16 uncontested points.

One coach is clearly making appropriate adjustments & one coach is lost.

I've never seen this program lower than it is right now, & it's been trending to this point for years.

It's time.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 09, 2023, 08:05:06 PM
Injuries have decimated the team, as well as player being removed. But I have a hard time with idea that recruited kids can't perform at some level. This makes 03-04 look like a champion team
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 10, 2023, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on December 09, 2023, 08:05:06 PM
Injuries have decimated the team, as well as player being removed. But I have a hard time with idea that recruited kids can't perform at some level. This makes 03-04 look like a champion team


Congrats to Justin! Scranton isn't competitive against the bottom third of D3, can't wait until the Catholics and Susquehanna's of the worlds come into the Long Center.

Just as a reminder and I don't know the details of his transfer, but Ryan Ems still has eligibility is playing minutes at Rowan, and the aforementioned Luke Braaten left the team last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 12, 2023, 01:25:16 PM

How bad are the Royals this season??

Well, he's been out-coached by his long time assistant who's now coaching a team (Cabrini) that's closing its doors in May.
Truly a dead team walking that lost 6 kids to transfer after the news broke but they still found a way to beat the Royals.

Then this past Saturday, Justin returns home & his kids from a very weak Goucher team totally dismantle Scranton in every phase of the game.

Not really going out on a limb here but I'm convinced if Justin were coaching the Royals, they would not have lost to the Gophers.

Conversely, I seriously doubt if Ryan were coaching the Royals, they would not have lost to a school having a going out of business sale.

There seems to be a theme emerging & I don't think it bodes well for the future of men's basketball at Scranton.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on December 13, 2023, 09:10:30 AM
Bad.

My point remains the same. Injuries, and a departure yes, but you brought each kid on the roster in because you felt they fit the program. At this point, when it is next man up, they should be able to play. They have absolutely no scorers, and that is only the beginning. Maybe they will reload quickly like they did for the 04-05 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 13, 2023, 01:17:59 PM

Unfortunately, I don't see this team ever re-loading.
Danzig is not a good recruiter & has always depended on others to find his talent.
When Ryan left for PS Abington, it stopped all recruiting going forward.
I'm sure Asst. Coach Frank is doing his best but he's brand new & pretty much unknown locally.
I just don't see this mess getting cleaned up any time soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
This weeks D3hoop.com Royal Stat is Average Points per game.

Currently the Royals average 59.9 points a game. In order to find a year when they had worse offensive output you have to go all the way back to
1949 when they averaged 57.2 without a three point line or a shot clock.

Our research intern is digging up some footage of the 1949 season , but here was the schedule:

1948-49 (9-16)
Head Coach: James Freeman
Home Court: Watres Armory
Date Opponent Result

D8 King's W, 50-43
D11 Lehigh W, 58-48
D15 Lock Haven W, 63-42
D18 Lebanon Valley L, 73-64
J5 Lebanon Valley W, 80-59
J8 Muhlenberg L, 69-47
J12 Wilkes W, 52-51
J15 Moravian W, 68-67
J21 St. Peter's L, 59-46
J29 Canisius L, 58-45
F2 East Stroudsburg L, 52-43
F5 Manhattan L, 66-54
F9 Moravian W, 78-65
F12 Albright L, 69-45
F17 Mt. St. Mary W, 62-55
F19 Niagara L, 45-38
F23 East Stroudsburg L, 50-43
F24 Lafayette L, 61-39
M5 Siena L, 49-33
M6 St. Bonaventure L, 59-38
M9 Albright W, 51-50
M12 Seton Hall L, 63-33
King's L, 57-54
M14 @Albright L, 79-52
@Gettysburg L, 57-52
@ - MAC Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2023, 12:53:17 PM

Well done NEPA!
Plus 1 for overseeing our intern for this academic year.
And, let's not forget...it was only a few short years ago our beloved Royals were absolutely dead last in all of D3 in their ability to gather offensive rebounds.
Truly a program following the philosophy of Capt. Edward Smith of the RMS Titanic..."full speed ahead, it's only an ice cube".  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2023, 11:02:37 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the Royal Faithful and that one Catholic U poster ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 22, 2024, 03:48:32 PM
If the board was going to be down for two months........this might have been the best thing for the Scranton Men's Hoops diehards on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2024, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 22, 2024, 03:48:32 PMIf the board was going to be down for two months........this might have been the best thing for the Scranton Men's Hoops diehards on the board!

Yes, we get to dissipate the agony for 72 hours before the game replay is available for viewing. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2024, 08:56:58 PM
Since you brought it up about Scranton mens Basketball.4-21 is  a very very disappointing year that for one I never seen in my 40 years following them.Well I seen them have a 5-20 year(same Coach).We can sit here and  blame it on injuries and this or that.It comes down to coaching also he was not even close in 90% of his games(Meaning being Competitive).Never made adjustments in game and re-bounding forget about that part of the game when you recruit guards you will get killed on the boards.A couple games they had 0 offensive rebounding .So every aspect of the game he was out coached.Congrats to Coach Klingman and Goucher on a good season this year and making the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AM
Okay. Here we go...."Just the facts"

·        End season on 9 games losing streak!

·        Fewest wins in single season in 107-year Program History (4)

·        Most losses in single season in 107-year Program History (21)

·        384 out of 412 NCAA teams in Scoring Offense

·        409 of 412 NCAA teams in Offensive Rebounds

·        402 of 412 NCAA teams in Rebounding Margin

·        Departures to program in past 2 years: Ryan Ems (Rowan), Stephen Braunstein (Stevens), Luke Braaten (Unknown), EJ Matthews-Spratley (Stockton)

·        Injuries: Will McLoughlin (Starter), Hanley (came off the bench last year), Mason Thompson (came off the bench last year), and numerous Freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 24, 2024, 09:49:01 PM
Congrats to Catholic men.Go out and represent the Landmark.When will the AD finally step up and do his job?Carl loses more guys then he has wins this year. I heard great recruiting class coming in.Oh Never mind that was   women.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2024, 09:53:22 PM
I watched on Flo sports, the Catholic stream (video) was crystal clear. The student section is right and I mean right on the court under the hoop, but it looks like the kids were policing themselves and making sure they didn't get too close to the court.

I haven't watched all the streams, but I think I am most impressed with Catholic's.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 24, 2024, 10:02:13 PM
During the womens game the ref warned them 3 times the AD had to come over and settle them down.I remember seeing that one other place NYU old gym.Drew has it but they are way behind and roped off.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: OUVan59 on February 25, 2024, 08:17:59 AM
Congrats to Catholic on a well deserved title.  My son plays for Susquehanna and he said he loved playing in that environment, as well as the environment at Drew on Thursday. Fun season (sorry Scranton, I know not for you guys) and the best team came out on top.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2024, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: OUVan59 on February 25, 2024, 08:17:59 AMCongrats to Catholic on a well deserved title.  My son plays for Susquehanna and he said he loved playing in that environment, as well as the environment at Drew on Thursday. Fun season (sorry Scranton, I know not for you guys) and the best team came out on top.

 That environment is a major part of postseason ball, both conference tourney and NCAA tourney. It's creditable that your son enjoys it; not every one does and it's a factor between winning and losing at that level. Those 3 passes that Catholic intercepted and converted into layups in the 1st half didn't help either.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 12:10:24 PM

Did the Scranton men have some serious injuries this season?
Yes.

Would the Royals have been in contention for a Landmark title if everyone stayed healthy?
No

The fact is, under Danzig, his teams never get better.
They never maximize their strengths & they never eliminate or even significantly reduce their deficits.

They are a milquetoast operation that is predictable for their complete and utter boring averagness.

Season finale against E-town & the men have 150 brave souls in attendance.
The women take the court to 1,100.

Throughout the years Danzig has had some really nice teams (on paper), the problem is, beyond the occasional Landmark title, they just don't win in the NCAA tourney when they get there.

He's had 21 years to figure things out & its just never happened.

let's not kid ourselves...his window of opportunity to develop a nationally recognized program has come & gone.

He doesn't recruit hard locally & has never been confused with the best X & O coaches out there.

Time for the UofS administration to have a serious sit down and have that crucial conversation with him.

Thank you for your efforts but it's clearly time to turn the page and give the many talented young coaches out there (Justn Klingman/Ryan Van Zelst) their opportunity to shine.

This program is a shadow of what it once was & that's not because of a few untimely injuries...it's been brewing for years.

Thank you again & may you have a long, healthy, & happy retirement very soon.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 01:45:09 PM
Saratoga-Plus all the recruits that left during the season and after their first season at the U!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on February 26, 2024, 03:35:22 PM
Nice to be back!

Well that sure was ugly! Thank goodness it is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2024, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on February 26, 2024, 03:35:22 PMNice to be back!

Well that sure was ugly! Thank goodness it is over.

Who had 4 wins in the pool?

Would be curious for a non-bias assessment on the situation on Linden Street. Fully admit we are all biased.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 26, 2024, 10:58:27 PM
I only just discovered that the board was back up and running. I am so happy for this group of seniors at CUA on their Landmark title. It has been really enjoyable to watch them play and improve together. I'm so glad they were able to get over the hurdle of the Landmark semifinals. The atmospheres in the DuFour Center on Thursday and Saturday were the best in many a year. There has been a real effort to get students out to the games during the season and the students have responded. That has not always been the case.

I also have to congratulate the Lady Royals on their Landmark title this past Saturday. That was the first of the three games this season that I saw in person. They were dominant from start to finish. Tremendous defense. I hope they make some noise in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2024, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 26, 2024, 10:58:27 PMI only just discovered that the board was back up and running. I am so happy for this group of seniors at CUA on their Landmark title. It has been really enjoyable to watch them play and improve together. I'm so glad they were able to get over the hurdle of the Landmark semifinals. The atmospheres in the DuFour Center on Thursday and Saturday were the best in many a year. There has been a real effort to get students out to the games during the season and the students have responded. That has not always been the case.

I also have to congratulate the Lady Royals on their Landmark title this past Saturday. That was the first of the three games this season that I saw in person. They were dominant from start to finish. Tremendous defense. I hope they make some noise in the NCAAs.

 The free pizza slices and t-shirts have helped in that regard.  :) Cards played well against Susque on Saturday but will have trouble against a team with a physical front line. Might not run into one until the 2nd weekend, though. Tommy Kelly, Timby, and Ntimoah could hold their own in a physical match, but not many of the others.
  Catholic women have been doing it with a short bench. Have always been a fan of Matt Donohue's defense. I foresee him to come up with a plan to stop W&L's all-american. You'll have problems with Rhode Island College in the expected 3rd round. They thumped us(Scranton) last year in the 2nd round on our home court.
   Best wishes in the postseason!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 27, 2024, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2024, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: CardsFan on February 26, 2024, 10:58:27 PMI only just discovered that the board was back up and running. I am so happy for this group of seniors at CUA on their Landmark title. It has been really enjoyable to watch them play and improve together. I'm so glad they were able to get over the hurdle of the Landmark semifinals. The atmospheres in the DuFour Center on Thursday and Saturday were the best in many a year. There has been a real effort to get students out to the games during the season and the students have responded. That has not always been the case.

I also have to congratulate the Lady Royals on their Landmark title this past Saturday. That was the first of the three games this season that I saw in person. They were dominant from start to finish. Tremendous defense. I hope they make some noise in the NCAAs.

 The free pizza slices and t-shirts have helped in that regard.  :) Cards played well against Susque on Saturday but will have trouble against a team with a physical front line. Might not run into one until the 2nd weekend, though. Tommy Kelly, Timby, and Ntimoah could hold their own in a physical match, but not many of the others.
  Catholic women have been doing it with a short bench. Have always been a fan of Matt Donohue's defense. I foresee him to come up with a plan to stop W&L's all-american. You'll have problems with Rhode Island College in the expected 3rd round. They thumped us(Scranton) last year in the 2nd round on our home court.
   Best wishes in the postseason!

Thanks ronk! I agree with your analysis regarding the type of team the CUA men would struggle against. I always worry about physicality because the Landmark may be many things, but a physical league is not one of them. The type of team I worry about the most is a team with physical/long guards that can really pressure the ball and deny passing lanes. I think the men could really struggle if they win their first game and have to play Rowan in the second round.

But the second round seems to be the ceiling for Landmark teams in the NCAAs. Scranton went to the Elite 8 in 2012 and Susquehanna went to the Sweet 16 in 2017, but aside from those two years its been a lot of first and second-round losses.

Given how much the women's team struggled with rebounding against Scranton this year, I think a second-round game against W&L would be very difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 27, 2024, 11:59:17 PM
Ryan van Zelst(Great young coach that saw Scranton was not getting rid of Danzing)is young and willing to recruit.I don't see Dave Martin having the cahoots to fire Danzing.I totally agree everything Saratoga said.He(Danzing got away light this year) because d3 posting up was down.Believe me they read this.I know and Saratoga knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2024, 02:16:15 PM
I agree that van Zelst is a great young coach. What he did with this last Cabrini team was nothing short of amazing. The team was well coached and they played really hard for him. He just didn't have the horses. I'd be excited to see him have an opportunity with a school that has a true commitment to the student/athlete experience.

ROLL CAVS FOREVER!!!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 11, 2024, 12:51:33 PM
Apparently it's a great day to be a Royal.  Let the sleuthing begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Former Royal cager dept: Steven Braunstein(Stevens) makes 2nd team all-Region(4); EJ Matthews-Spratley(Stockton) makes NCAA tourney for 2nd year in a row
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2024, 06:49:20 PM
Ryan Ems also made tourney (Rowan)
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 13, 2024, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 12, 2024, 05:29:29 PMFormer Royal cager dept: Steven Braunstein(Stevens) makes 2nd team all-Region(4); EJ Matthews-Spratley(Stockton) makes NCAA tourney for 2nd year in a row

Love seeing the old use of "cager". Made my day!
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2024, 03:41:14 PM
It was what you called basketball players back in the day; why?, I can't say. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2024, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 13, 2024, 03:41:14 PMIt was what you called basketball players back in the day; why?, I can't say. :-\

Because basketball used to be played in cages.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2024, 05:40:22 PM

No out of bounds, the ball just hit off the chain link and you kept going, I guess?  Or maybe when it hit the cage it was a turnover?  I'm not up on 100 year old basketball rules.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2024, 06:21:58 PM
No out of bounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 13, 2024, 06:51:54 PM

From the hard to believe dept......

Under Danzig, the Royals (men) have only hosted 1 NCAA tournament & that was back in 2003 & only because of Ursinus college's omission in filing to host with the NCAA.

Then again, when you only win 4 games, you probably shouldn't get your hopes up.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 14, 2024, 09:18:48 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 13, 2024, 06:51:54 PMFrom the hard to believe dept......

Under Danzig, the Royals (men) have only hosted 1 NCAA tournament & that was back in 2003 & only because of Ursinus college's omission in filing to host with the NCAA.

Then again, when you only win 4 games, you probably shouldn't get your hopes up.  :(

Had a great time that night in the student section against Buffalo State. Was a great game. I think... May have been blurred a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2024, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 11, 2024, 12:51:33 PMApparently it's a great day to be a Royal.  Let the sleuthing begin!

And one more...interns are too busy outside in the nice weather to yeild any search results thus far..
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2024, 01:46:20 PM
Hopefully at least one of them is a serviceable big.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2024, 02:16:12 PM

Does Ryan Emms have any eligibility left?  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2024, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2024, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 11, 2024, 12:51:33 PMApparently it's a great day to be a Royal.  Let the sleuthing begin!

And one more...interns are too busy outside in the nice weather to yeild any search results thus far..

You guys are going to need to add AI to your sleuthing algorithms; it's taking too long to ID these commits.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2024, 09:12:45 PM

Our intern is currently on Spring Break.
Updates may be delayed.  8-)
However, given Danzig's recruiting prowess ( ;D )...does it even matter?
If any kids coming in are not named Zach Edey, LJ Cryer, Tristen Newton or Kyle Filipowski...then it will be another long, cold, men's season within the confines of the Long Center again next season.
I can see it coming...Danzig working the phones to schedule every Bard, Houghton, Sarah Lawrence & Penn St. extension he can.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 15, 2024, 10:38:03 PM
Bottom line Danzig must go.End of arguments.They say all Dynastys fall, well for 22 years it has been in Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2024, 06:26:35 PM
To the minds that matter at the U.Just look at todays Ncaa d3 Mens championship game.Trine Coach Brooke Miller in his 12th season brought home the W&B trophy.Congrats to Trine.Also Caleb Kimbrough at HSU 5th year and already sniffing at a Championship.5th year and he is young.This is exactly what the UofS needs a young ,energetic go getter.Let the search begin immediately.
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 17, 2024, 08:23:24 AM
Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Here's one of the commitments:  6'5" Max Lebisky out of Phoenixville.  Averaged 9.5 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists.

https://x.com/maxlebisky/status/1768979207181238609?s=20

https://www.hudl.com/profile/16238342/Max-Lebisky

*He seems to be a versatile player who passes well from the post, is a good rebounder and understands spacing well.  He had several DIII teams going after him as well as some DI and DII "interest," but Scranton was on him early.  Hopefully his game translates well at the U.

Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 17, 2024, 01:39:31 PM

Thanks, Tim.
Happy St. Patrick's Day as well.
He plays in H.S. with Luca Barrata's cousin...maybe he's on the radar for next year as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2024, 02:48:05 PM
https://x.com/jmverlin/status/1769008113162596373?s=20