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Title: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on February 13, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
I know that some of the other regions have started playing games already.  Who are the first teams to get started in the Mid-East Region?  I am anxious to see the season get started.  Let's play ball!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on February 13, 2014, 10:18:36 AM
CWRU vs JCU in Beckley WV 2/21
then to Greensboro for Guilford (2) and F&M 2/22-23
Title: Re: CWRU
Post by: ADL70 on February 23, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Spartans finish the weekend southern swing 4-0.  Adding a 18-3 win over F&M and 13-12 win over home team Guilford today to Friday's 8-7 win over JCU and Saturday's 23-11 over Guilford.

Sr 3B Gronski has a BA of .714 and SLG% 1.19  2 2B  1 3B  2 HR  10 RBI

So 1B/DH Noah Sherman who missed last season due to injury did almost as much in fewer than half Gronski's ABs,  BA ,667  2 2B  2 HR 10 RBI

Concerns over a power shortage, with all 11 of last year's HRs and half the 2Bs having graduated with Keen, Pakan, and Ossola, proved unfounded, as six players totaled 10 round trippers already.  Jr Gronski, Sherman, So C Jordan Swisher, and Sr SS Andrew Frey each contributed 2 a piece.

Pitching was feast or famine with a few excellent outings and other disappointing ones.  Two starters, Sr LH John Fortunato and So RH Neal Krentz, each went 5 innings for wins.  Fortunato held Guilford scoreless on four hits, while Krentz gave up 2 ER on four hits.  Outstanding relief stints were turned in by Jr RH Robert Winemiller (4 IP  2 H  0 R), Fr RH Jake Shields (3.2 IP  3 H  0 R), and Fr LH Andrew Rossman (2 IP  1 H  0 R).  Other had control issues with a total of 27 BB and 4 HBP in 36 frames.

Next weekend's series with Wooster looks kinda doubtful with another cold blast coming down.  Then it'll be eight games in seven days in Fla at the UAA's March 9-15.  CWRU and WUStL are defending co-champs.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on February 24, 2014, 10:45:12 AM
CWRU is definitely coming out of the gates strong!  They look like a major contender in the region in 2014, following a successful 2013.  I was very much looking forward to seeing the outcome of this weekend's games vs what is supposed to be a strong Wooster team.  As you stated, the weather may not let it happen.  Hopefully they will re-schedule.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 24, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
A few more teams started last weekend.
Wabash went 1-2 down in Arkansas, vs Hendrix. Allegheny split with John Carroll in Beckley WVA.

A lot of other teams start this weekend.
OWU vs. Ohio Christian,
Denison vs. Muskingum
Kenyon heads down to Florida for their 2 week Spring Break, and starts out with Augustana
Witt against Mt. St. Joseph down in Cinci.
Depauw takes on Andersen and Marietta

Oberlin and Hiram do not start games till the week after.

And Wooster of coarse has already been mentioned.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on February 25, 2014, 03:04:45 AM
Will be interesting to see if Rossman gets more innings later in the year. Guessing they'll definitely need him at the UAA's in Florida.

Prep Baseball Report did a Q&A with him and he said he chose between Case and Marietta. Don't know how high a priority he was for MC, but I doubt he was an afterthought considering he's a 6-foot lefty that threw 82-85 last summer.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on February 25, 2014, 12:01:23 PM
This weekends series with Wooster now listed as "postponed."

The UAAs tax the pitching staff. Five and maybe six starters are needed.  CWRU has single games on 3-9, 10, and 11; and two on 3-12; then one each 3-13, 14, and 15.  That is, if no games are rescheduled by rain.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on February 25, 2014, 03:29:25 PM
Yeah thats why I figured he would get a start or at least significant mound time.

Marietta's 4 games this weekend also cancelled. They have use of a field secured for the weekend but no opponents.

Maybe Case and MC will end up facing off this weekend. That would be a fun way to start the year.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 25, 2014, 04:00:11 PM
Depauw and Anderson both cancelled? OWU has a game in Chillicothe, temps currently are listed as being in the low 40's
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on February 25, 2014, 11:55:04 PM
You get you wish Spence.  Sat Sun doubleheaders in Beckley WV   Don't know if they'll be  9&9 9&7 or 7&7

Marietta will have streaming audio per their site.  12 and 2:30 each day
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on February 26, 2014, 01:15:27 AM
Just made sense. Big boost in strength of schedule for both teams, I think.

Didn't know if they would play 2 or 4. No idea on game length.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
Looks Like it is Dennison, Marietta, and Case playing two each on Saturday and Case and Marietta playing a Double header on Sunday. 

11:00 Sat Dennison vs. Case
1:45  Sat Dennison vs. Marietta
4:30 Sat Marietta vs. Case

Sun 12:00 and 2:30 Case vs Marietta

So 5 scheule meetings between Case and Marietta this year. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on February 27, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
Gah. I dislike playing Denison because I don't want to root against Deegan.

But it helps both DU and MC get some diamond time in before going south.

Really interested to see what Marietta does as far as pitching in a setup like this. Looks from the schedule times like 7 inning games?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on February 28, 2014, 10:59:02 AM
Sunday trip home weather looking iffy.  Wonder if Sunday gets cancelled?  Drat! I was thinking about going down for both days.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 07, 2014, 12:18:40 PM
Hope about showing a little M-E love and vote for CWRU's Jordan Swisher on the d3baseball.com Fan Poll.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 07, 2014, 01:51:46 PM
Done!!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 07, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
Thnx
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 09, 2014, 11:38:39 PM
CWRU survives its UAA opener with a walk-off two run double by Will Meador to beat Brandeis 9-8.  #1 starter had third straight poor outing and two relievers couldn't stem the tide, as Brandeis had a 7-3 lead after six.

Rossman gave up only one unearned run in a 2-1/3 inning relief stint, to keep the CWRU in the game.  Then staying with its starter too long, Brandeis let the Spartans back in the game with a four-run eighth to draw within one.

The Spartans thwarted two Brandeis scoring chances in the ninth.  The first came on an attempted double steal by the Judges.  With runners on the corners, rather than throwing to second to catch the runner, the throw went to the shortstop who threw back to home to get the runner from third out in a rundown.  Then Frey threw out a second runner at home trying to score on a ground ball to short.  Kelly got a strikeout to complete one scoreless relief inning, setting up the heroics in the bottom of nine.

A potential game-ending double play ball wasn't fielded cleanly by the second baseman, who had to threw to first rather than to second bring Meador up with runners on second and third with two outs.  And he delivered.

There will be streaming video of all the UAA games courtesy of Emory, with play-by-play of all of their games, plus selected others.

The Championship site:

http://emoryathletics.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/UAA/index

Seven different Spartans have gone yard at least once this season.  Can any other team match that production?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 10, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
Looks like my recruiting evaluation instincts, even from afar, are pretty good! Anyone want to put me on staff? Disclaimer, I couldn't teach anyone to field, throw, hit or pitch at a college level if my life depended on it.

Marietta's top two pitchers looking really tough to hit so far...they're more of a threat to themselves than the other team's batters are though.

And of course just as you'd have expected, Christian Demko is slugging .800 and Mitch Geers has 6 stolen bases in 4 games.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on March 10, 2014, 10:01:12 AM
Great game between Marietta and Wooster.  I was able to follow it via Live Stats and it was a 2 run game until the bottom of the eighth.  Both starters (Hagen - Woo, Byers - Mar) only gave up 3 hits through 7 innings.  Can't wait to see what happens in the encore on Tuesday!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 10, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
Probably not dueling 3-hit starting performances haha.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 10, 2014, 04:34:19 PM
CWRU forges to the lead in the UAA, with a 4-3 win against Emory, the other undefeated team after day one.  Gronski was 4-4 with a 2 run homer and all four Spartan RBIs.  Fortunato went six giving up 3 runs (2 ER), draft prospect Winemiller got a hold with two shutout innings, and Kelly got is third save with a 1-2-3 ninth.

B/S were inconsistently called, but were same for both teams.  Quote from the Emory announcer on a Fortunato pitch: "Curve down the middle for a ball."

Tomorrow Spartans face Rochester which is 0-2 for the season.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
5 ranked teams in the new poll. Marietta, Manchester, Mount Union, Case Western and W&J.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2014, 01:57:54 PM
Marietta beats Wooster 4-2 behind 3 2/3 of flawless relief with 6 Ks by Mike Fulton. FR Tyler Nieberding gave up just 1 earned on 3 hits in 5 1/3. Wooster pitching was also pretty solid, but Marietta took advantage of most of its chances, which included 5 wild pitches by Wooster FR Buckingham.

Defense sounded like it saved a couple of runs for each team as well.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 11, 2014, 05:59:32 PM
Another walk-off win for the #24 Spartans, 6-5 over Rochester.  K. Cain was the batting leader today 4-5, 2 RBI, and scored the winning run (after driving in the tying run).

Krentz went 8.1; 8 H, 5 ER, 6K, 0 BB, with all the hits and runs coming in the fourth.  Kelly continued the luck of the Irish, retiring the last two, and earning his third W, despite only having pitched 4 innings.

I'm guessing Freshman Jake Shields gets the ball tomorrow for one of the two games.  He had a 3.2 inning relief stint in the opener, 0 runs, 3 hits, and got the win.  Took the loss against Marietta on a manufactured run (BB, SB, WP, SF).  Not sure about the second game, Johnstone only went 3 on Sunday, but faced 16 batters, and I'm not sure what his pitch count was.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 12, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
CWRU beat Brandeis 16-6 in 8 (10 run rule for UAA).

Gronski 3-4  HR, 3B  4 RBI
Frey 4-6 2B, HR  5 RBI
Some little used players shone as well:  Marques Winick 4-5 2-2B, 3B   Josh Neal 2-5 2B

Freshman Connor Faix  went 5 for the win 5 R  2 ER

Game vs WashU getting underway shortly (schedule 3hr behind due to rain).  Shields gets the start.



Ugly fifth win in FLA for the Spartans.  Cruising 8-0 after 4, behind near flawless pitching and 2 4-run innings.  But the offense took a brief respite and the Bears mounted a comeback with two in the fifth and then wild relief gave up four in the sixth, before the Spartans added another found in the bottom of the sixth.

Already have matched last year's co-championship win total, with three yet to play.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on March 13, 2014, 02:43:36 PM
A no-no for Marietta's Christian Herstine against Montclair State.  Marietta wins 8-0.  Herstine with 9k's and 3BB's.

Webster coming up.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 13, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
Gutty pitching by Rochester beats CWRU 3-2.  This time the ninth inning rally falls short.

Emory and Spartans tied at 5-1, no other team has a winning record.  Eagles and Spartans meet again on Saturday.  Advantage to Emory, in that they have a day off tomorrow, then play again on Sunday vs Brandeis (6-6, 2-4).  Isn't playing more than twice as many games as any other team before the tourney enough of an advantage?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 14, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
I'm still hoping we can make it back to back!

That Gronski is a BEAST!!!

Do DIII players ever get drafted?  I realize that this is Division III pitching, but his numbers at ANY level are truly amazing thus far!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on March 14, 2014, 01:24:57 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on March 14, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
I'm still hoping we can make it back to back!

That Gronski is a BEAST!!!

Do DIII players ever get drafted?  I realize that this is Division III pitching, but his numbers at ANY level are truly amazing thus far!

There are usually 10-15 D3 players drafted each year with the majority of those being pitchers.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 14, 2014, 01:35:00 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on March 14, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
I'm still hoping we can make it back to back!

That Gronski is a BEAST!!!

Do DIII players ever get drafted?  I realize that this is Division III pitching, but his numbers at ANY level are truly amazing thus far!

I doubt many 5-11 guys that aren't fast get drafted from D-III. He's an electrical engineering major though, I feel pretty sure he'll be OK haha.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Other than Saunders what other position players have been drafted and stuck recently?  I can't think of any off the top of my head.  All pitchers that I'm remembering.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 14, 2014, 10:14:26 AM
There has been some threads here that had some information on draft picks I guess you could do a search. Last one I remember is 2012 Bruce Maxwell from Birmingham Southern. I know there are other position players but don't remember names. He was also taken as a Jr if I recall correctly. LH hitting catcher. A lot will depend on how he did in summer leagues and at what level he played at in those leagues.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 14, 2014, 09:41:27 PM
CWRU's Chad Mullins was d3 poy couple of years ago, but wasn't drafted.  The only Spartan I can recall being drafted was the son of MLB mgr Ken Macha.  Spartan P Rob Winemiller is getting some interest, since he throws mid-90s.

Spartans lose 4-3 to WashU to fall to second place. .  Win over Emory would assure a second co-championship.  With that win and an Emory loss on Sunday they could still win ought right.

Curious relief decision wigth game tied in the bottom of nine, putting in a little used pitcher with a 20 era, with Rossman and the closer Sondag in the pen.  Hope that means Rossman gets the start tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 14, 2014, 11:50:55 PM
If Case has a draft-quality pitcher, why the heck didn't they throw him against Marietta?

Only takes one scout to get a guy drafted, but still...this is odd sounding to say the least.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
He's like Ricky Vaugh, pre-specs.  As I said, the interest is because he throws mid 90s.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 15, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
Still not buying it. Reads like the Trinity guys that claim guys that hardly pitch throw in the 90s and are gonna get drafted.

I remember one Oshkosh guy that hardly pitched that got drafted, and there have been a few legacy picks that were clearly not worthy, but generally if you don't even manage to get significant playing time in D-III, you aren't getting drafted.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 02:37:23 PM
The Emory broadcaster confirmed that there were scouts putting him on the gun.

http://www.perfectgame.org/Search.aspx?search=Robert%20Winemiller
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 15, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
He's like Ricky Vaugh, pre-specs.  As I said, the interest is because he throws mid 90s.

It should be noted that he's a converted catcher so he's raw.  That may answer Spence's question.  He's a live arm that is learning to pitch so he may not be as reliable as other, less physically talented guys as of now.  Very cool story though.  Hope he does go as high as that article suggested. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 15, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
Well, that is all completely bizarre. He's not a good enough catcher to catch, not a good enough pitcher to pitch, but is a top 5 round draft prospect (not that that means that much anymore considering the way the money works now) on the basis of 8 innings in summer ball.

But if baseball can somehow collectively decide Matt DeSalvo wasn't worth drafting, they're capable of just about anything.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
He was all-MW regional tourney C last season.

Anyway he pitched 2.2 0 run  2 hit 2 K for the win in relief today.  43 pitches 24 strikes
CWRU wins UAA beating Emory 9-6 despite facing two of their top three pitchers.  Emory can tie for the title with a win tomorrow.

Rossman inexplicably only made the one appearance in Fla.

Spartan women in a three-way tie for title as well.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 15, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
He was all-MW regional tourney C last season.

So why isn't he playing there this year?

Never mind...I give up trying to solve this riddle. I'm just going to go back to "this is bizarre" and stay on that.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 15, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
Gronski played in New York for the Geveva red wings, here is his stat line:

Player   P   AVG     G      AB       R    H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   BB   HBP   SO   SF   SH   SB   CS   DP   E
Gronski, IF .306     32   108   12   33   6     0     1     19    11       1     8     2     0      0     0     3    4

Pretty good numbers using a wood bat. Only 8 strike outs in 108 at bats. I am interested to see where he plays this summer and how he does. The summer is where D3 players prove they can play with the big boys.



Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 16, 2014, 03:07:27 AM
Back to Back UAA titles for the Spartans!

Great job!!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 16, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
OWU, plays Heidelberg mid week then DH's against Case next Saturday and Sunday.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 16, 2014, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on March 16, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
OWU, plays Heidelberg mid week then DH's against Case next Saturday and Sunday.

That sounds easy! :)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 16, 2014, 09:32:32 PM
And the week after that they face John Carroll twice and Marietta.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 16, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: Spence on March 15, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 15, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
He was all-MW regional tourney C last season.

So why isn't he playing there this year?

Never mind...I give up trying to solve this riddle. I'm just going to go back to "this is bizarre" and stay on that.

His regional BA was .170 above his season average and this year's C was 5-7 with 2B 3B and HR vs Denison and Marietta.  Although his weakness at the plate was exposed at the UAAs, still his 14 game BA is .345.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 19, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
Did Wesleyan and Heidelberg seriously just meet up to play 3 at-bats? That's what the live stats would suggest.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 19, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: Spence on March 19, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
Did Wesleyan and Heidelberg seriously just meet up to play 3 at-bats? That's what the live stats would suggest.
yup, I drove up and got there just in time to watch them put the tarps on the field. They are going to try again tomorrow. Pitcher had thrown 15 pitches.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 19, 2014, 06:02:36 PM
That's just ridiculous. Those kids could have been in class this morning.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 22, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
CWRU took two from OWU, 6-3 and 13-8.

Winemiller pitched two one-hit, shutout innings.  I saw the gun on him, fastball consistently around 90, with a max of 92.  For the season 7 App, 12 IP, 7H, 0 R, 10 BB, 12K.

Rossman had a poor outing, 3 BF, BB, 2B allowing inherited runner to score from second, and HBP. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on March 22, 2014, 07:12:34 PM
That's one of the stranger pitching lines I think I've ever seen lol.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on March 30, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
More on Winemiller:

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/03/one_inning_transforms_case_pit.html
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 30, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 30, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
More on Winemiller:

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2014/03/one_inning_transforms_case_pit.html
Nice article. Good luck to the young man.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 02, 2014, 12:20:57 AM
CWRU beats Pitt-Greensburg 10-3

Johnstone went 7   6 h  3 er  1w  4k

Winemiller retired the three batters he faced 1 by K

Gronski 2-4 2 RBI  2B and HR (6) and Sherman also homered (3)

Single games vs BW sched Weds and Thurs, but Thurs doubtful  70% rain
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Would Thursday just be moved to Friday? Too bad they didn't just make it a DH today.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 02, 2014, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 02, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Would Thursday just be moved to Friday? Too bad they didn't just make it a DH today.

I think they will keep Thursday just where it site between Wednesday and Friday, although moving Thursday to Friday would give us two Fridays.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 02, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 02, 2014, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 02, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Would Thursday just be moved to Friday? Too bad they didn't just make it a DH today.

I think they will keep Thursday just where it site between Wednesday and Friday, although moving Thursday to Friday would give us two Fridays.
+1
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2014, 03:40:56 PM
Well I'm assuming they'll play today.

I mean if they do not play tomorrow, would they just play Friday or would it end up later in the year?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 02, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
Friday doesn't look any better (even if there were to be two)

BW up 3-1 after 5.  Played in just 1:15

Capadona for BW

Fortunato for CWRU replaced after 5.  Curious choice of little used reliever.

Pen gives up three more.  Jackets get clutch DPs and prevail 6-1.  Capadona went seven giving up seven hits. 

Spartans got no hits in final two innings.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2014, 05:30:09 PM
Marietta won their first game of the day 4-0 in an hour and 26 minutes. :)

Sounds like a pretty good one between Case and BW. Mount Union got 11 in the 3rd and is plowing W&J.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 03, 2014, 09:57:02 AM
BW @ CWRU postponed today not gunna try tomorrow.

Host Westminster Sat DH and Etta 2 Sunday.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 06, 2014, 06:28:31 PM
Marietta and Case Western with a pretty solid split. Case got a big lead in game 1 and held on to win 10-5, then Marietta dominated the getaway game, 9-1.

Two good teams, I think.

Hopefully the last three games are a sign of things to come for the Marietta offense.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 07, 2014, 06:31:06 AM
Obviously two good teams.

I'd like to see us bounce back with a win over JCU.  Anytime we can beat our cross-town foes, it feels good!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on April 08, 2014, 09:26:12 AM
Wooster vs. Baldwin Wallace already postponed for today.  Baldwin Wallace plays at John Carroll (DH) tomorrow and Wooster has a home game against Case Western tomorrow.  Case is supposed to play John Carrol today, but no word on that game yet.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 08, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
CWRU @ JCU moved to Thurs
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 09, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
OK.  Nice shutout against a pretty good Wooster team.

Now..............I sure hope that we can beat our cross-town rivals!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 10, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Freshman Shields' last two starts:   11 IP  0 R  4 H   3 BB   15 K
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 11, 2014, 01:33:30 AM
UGH!!!  That JCU game didn't go so well!

I hope we beat 'em at Progressive Field later this season!

Good news on the move of the Bethany DH to Nobby's Ballpark on Sunday.  We'll now have 10 of our last 13 games at home!

Of the games coming up, I'm looking forward to the Oberlin DH, as well as the next JCU game.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 11, 2014, 01:42:16 AM
John Carroll has really caught a tail wind lately. This is more like what I expected from them this year, but that they're doing it basically without last year's ace pitcher is that much more impressive.

Just goes to show that if you're a good team, the train keeps going even if you have to do without a key player or two for a spell.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 11, 2014, 12:52:22 PM
The Streaks got 5 2/3 of no hit pitching from a 1B/DH against a .350 hitting team.  He last pitched in Feb.  Meanwhile Spartans #4 got rocked and the pen wasn't any better.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 12, 2014, 09:17:03 PM
Spartans sweep W&J.

Game one was a matchup of both teams' aces.  Fortunato went 9-1/3 giving up 1 ER on 10 hits.  Nogay for the Prez went 8 and also gave up only 1 run.

Final was 3-2 and the Spartans had to win it twice.  With two out in the 10th Swisher popped one over the left field fence, but was ruled out on appeal for not touching home!  Three straight singles in the 11th gave CWRU the win.

Game two was less dramatic with the Spartans winning 8-2.  Swisher got redemption by sending another ball over the left field fence and touching home.  Sondag, a junior, up to now used only in relief, got his first career start and went 6 giving up one run on three hits.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 13, 2014, 12:02:01 AM
This next series against Bethany will really test our pitching depth.

Having to play back to back double-headers is quite a strain on the rotation and bullpen.

If we can pull out back to back sweeps, then I'll feel very good about our pitching depth when it comes time for any possible post-season play.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 01:30:35 AM
Y'all seemed to do fine with it with Westminster/Marietta last weekend! I'm guessing Bethany will be no problem. The UAAs format is tougher than playing 4 in a weekend I would think.

The first regional rankings should be interesting. Not sure there's much to choose between Case, Marietta, Heidelberg, BW and John Carroll.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 03:47:03 AM
Trying to make some sense of a very jumbled picture at the top of the region.

The way I'm seeing it, there's at least a small separation between the top 5 and other good but just not as good teams. That's John Carroll, Marietta, Case Western, Baldwin-Wallace and Heidelberg. There are other good teams like Allegheny, Adrian and Ohio Northern, but they don't have the same schedule strength to be able to say as much as definitively as that top 5.

Fortunately, there have already been a lot of meetings between those top 5 teams, and so it should be obvious that there's value in looking at those.

I didn't look at scores or pitching matchups. Just who did you play and where, and what was the result. There weren't any real individual data points that argues against ordering by winning percentage -- JCU swept BW which beat Case; Marietta is 2-1 against Case. Everything else is a split.

And so the long version of that previous sentence:

John Carroll (3-1): 1-1 vs. Case Western (L at neutral site; W at home), 2-0 vs. BW.
That sweep of BW may be the most significant data point in the entire region. It is the only sweep in the mini-league. Right now they have no road wins (in no attempts) but those opportunities wil come, starting this week.
Remaining on the schedule: DH at Heidelberg, DH at Marietta, at Case Western.

Marietta (4-3): 2-1 vs. Case Western (W at neutral; 1-1 at Case), 1-1 vs. BW, 1-1 at Heide.
Of primary significance here is the road splits against Case and Heidelberg. A home split against BW keeps them from ranking above JCU in the mini-league.
Remaining on the schedule: DH vs. JCU.

Heidelberg (3-3): 1-1 vs. BW (neutral site), 1-1 vs. Case, 1-1 vs. MC.
Not much to say. Two home splits and no data points in true road games. Despite the home-road split, no real advantages forged among the group, but no huge black marks against either.
Remaining on the schedule: DH vs. JCU, at Case Western.

Baldwin-Wallace (3-4): 1-1 vs. Heide (neutral site), 1-1 at MC, 1-0 vs. Case, 0-2 at JCU.
The flipside of that JCU sweep. Unfortunately the return game of the Case series was wiped out. 1-0 is nice, but 2-0 or 1-1 would tell us a lot more. Splits against Berg at neutral and in Marietta are noteworthy, but being swept by John Carroll is, again, the most significant data point. Could see arguments for anywhere between 2nd and 5th.
Remaining on the schedule: none. (maybe a makeup at Case?)

Case Western Reserve (4-6): 1-1 vs. JCU (W at neutral, L at JCU), 1-1 at Heide, 1-2 vs. Marietta (L at neutral, 1-1 at home), 0-1 vs. BW.
Case has the most games against the other contenders, but also has no conference games in their northern schedule, so I think those two factors kind of even out. Really just shows how tough this group is because you could say they've had advantage on John Carroll and Heidelberg, and they can further cement that in meetings later in the year, but the worst overall record among the group.
Remaining on the schedule: vs. Heidelberg, vs. John Carroll, (makeup vs. BW?)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 13, 2014, 10:19:17 AM
Since the JCU game was moved from Tues to Thurs, it's six games in five days.

Shields is on an eleven innings straight shutout streak, but he pitched on Weds.  His last start was on three days rest though.

Johnstone is rested, but has been hit or miss this season, mostly hit (in the bad sense of the word).  He's only had two good starts out of seven.

Bethany's one and two pitched yesterday.

Oh, and Spence, Rossman pitched yesterday for the first time in ten days.  2 IP  5 H  1 ER. 

For the season 5 G  7.1 IP  11 H  1 R/ER  4 BB  4 K  1.23 ERA
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 11:40:20 AM
Is there a reason you called specific attention to that?  ???

I don't think anyone is going to feel sorry for Case pitching-wise considering they can set up their staff however they want up north since they don't have conference games.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 13, 2014, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2014, 11:40:20 AM
Is there a reason you called specific attention to that?  ???

I don't think anyone is going to feel sorry for Case pitching-wise considering they can set up their staff however they want up north since they don't have conference games.

If you are referring to Rossman, I thought you had expressed interest in him earlier.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
I just thought he looked an interesting prospect coming into the year.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 13, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
Watch out ADL70, don't dare give a reason for something happening or Spence will suddenly start firebombing your every post like he does to me. Good thing he doesn't have any input on the NCAA regional rankings since his are so screwy. News flash, road wins or home losses are not any of the criteria for regional rankings. Other than batting last, I fail to see any significant home field advantage, unless you get an appreciable dose of home cooking from the blue.

On the OAC thread he ridicules me for my view that the series vs the third place team (Marietta) is the most important so far of the season yet he ranks that 3rd place team higher than the co-leaders (Heidelberg) who have lost half as many games (5 vs 10) to teams with a winning percentage approximately .200 higher than those Marietta has lost to, including sub .500 teams (Mt. Aloysius, Muskingum, and Montclair St)

Since the 1st regional rankings are still at least a week away, this is kind of silly anyway but if I were to venture a ranking it would be:

1. Heidelberg
2. Case
3. John Carroll
4. Marietta
5. Adrian
6. Ohio Northern
7. Pitt-Bradford
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 13, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
Watch out ADL70, don't dare give a reason for something happening or Spence will suddenly start firebombing your every post like he does to me.

Is there really a need for this?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2014, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 13, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
News flash, road wins or home losses are not any of the criteria for regional rankings. Other than batting last, I fail to see any significant home field advantage, unless you get an appreciable dose of home cooking from the blue.

JCU swept BW, BW beat Case, everything else was a split. How tough is that to understand? Nothing to do with home/road even ends up mattering right now because it's all straightforward. But I don't necessarily agree with your assertion that it never is considered.

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
● Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
● Division III head-to-head competition
● Results versus common Division III opponents
● Results versus ranked Division III opponents as established by the rankings at the time of selection.
● Division III strength of schedule

One could argue that part of analyzing is a result is the home-road-neutral component. It used to be far more explicit a factor in figuring SOS, but I think it's presumptuous to say that it doesn't get considered at all by the selection committee. Usually vaguely written NCAA guidelines are such for a reason.

One thing we know is important, because they specifically list it, is record against common opponents -- which is exactly what I've done in the previous post for this group of teams. Given that the SOS of all 5 teams is very strong, it seems barely possible that what they've done against each other might matter. Call me crazy.


On the OAC thread he ridicules me for my view that the series vs the third place team (Marietta) is the most important so far of the season yet he ranks that 3rd place team higher than the co-leaders (Heidelberg) who have lost half as many games (5 vs 10) to teams with a winning percentage approximately .200 higher than those Marietta has lost to, including sub .500 teams (Mt. Aloysius, Muskingum, and Montclair St)

You obviously missed the point of what I did. It wasn't, strictly speaking, a regional ranking. I didn't ridicule anything, by the way. If you think that's what that was, you should probably just give up. I thought it was a rather surprising sign of profound respect that you considered that DH the most important games of the season even though Marietta is in 3rd, when your opponent 3 days later is in 1st. All I did was state that. If you think that's cause for ridicule, then that issue is yours.

Since the 1st regional rankings are still at least a week away, this is kind of silly anyway but if I were to venture a ranking it would be:

1. Heidelberg
2. Case
3. John Carroll
4. Marietta
5. Adrian
6. Ohio Northern
7. Pitt-Bradford

Interesting. I would be pretty surprised if Baldwin-Wallace isn't regionally ranked unless they mess up between now and then. If they had split rather than lost 2 to JCU, there would be a pretty compelling case for them to be top. Easy to forget, but 4 of their losses are to non D-III, and so won't be considered in rankings unless all the primary criteria fails to differentiate (I'd call that pretty unlikely).
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 14, 2014, 08:27:06 AM
Make you a deal Spence. You lay off me and I will lay off you. Stop stalking me and responding to my every post on every thread I ever post on.

Maybe I should have said most important games so far, but even though it is only mid April, the season is 70% over (28/40). Games this week vs JCU are huge too but I feel Berg has an advantage with pitchers they have going.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 14, 2014, 10:29:13 AM
You vastly overestimate your importance to me. You just happen to post things which demand a response on threads I follow. I don't care if you "lay off me" or not. I find it funny that you think I do.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 14, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
You asked if this was necessary. You are the one who tries to goad me into a response. Evidently you cant live without my attention. You are the one who started getting personal with the rant about me watching cable tv. You are the one who has had an inappropriate post deleted by a moderator on the NCAC thread. 

I can have a rational discussion about baseball, which you said you dont like cause it is too slow. is someone holding you hostage and making you post about it. can we get you some help?

I thought your post about the region was in ranking order, my mistake. I thought BW and ONU were a tossup and BW will probably move ahead as the schedule moves forward. but you cant regionally rank a team in 3rd or tied for 4th ahead of the conferences co leaders unless they have a drastically better overall record which none of them do. Like I told the person who posted about aggregate scores they still only count as 1 win and 1 loss no matter the run total or where the game was played. Before this weekend the winning percentage of the 9 teams that beat Marietta was about .585 and the 4 teams that beat Berg was about .780. Glad to see that you at last grudgingly gave them some respect.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 14, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 14, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
You asked if this was necessary.

You went out of your way to put me in a post where really there was no need to do so *at all*. And then you whine about more or less anything I do? LOL logic doesn't live at your address.

You are the one who tries to goad me into a response. Evidently you cant live without my attention.

Oh for pete's sake would you stop this bullcrap. I really wish I could tell you what I think of you and how little I want your attention. But I've got other things and interests to consider.

You are the one who started getting personal with the rant about me watching cable tv. You are the one who has had an inappropriate post deleted by a moderator on the NCAC thread. 

Yes, and I know why as well. Given the interests and objectives in play, I understood the decision to do so, and it was probably the best for everyone, even though I wouldn't have deleted it myself.

I can have a rational discussion about baseball, which you said you dont like cause it is too slow.

I said I don't like it *ON TV*, which is really not that uncommon. A lot of people don't watch a lot of baseball on TV but like going to the ballpark. You don't really do very well with nuance in general, it seems.

I thought your post about the region was in ranking order, my mistake. I thought BW and ONU were a tossup and BW will probably move ahead as the schedule moves forward. but you cant regionally rank a team in 3rd or tied for 4th ahead of the conferences co leaders unless they have a drastically better overall record which none of them do.

I'm pretty sure that's not in the selection criteria. Actually I know it isn't, because it's actually happened before in the final selections. Check out last year's NJAC.

Like I told the person who posted about aggregate scores they still only count as 1 win and 1 loss no matter the run total or where the game was played.

Doesn't mean that no other information can be gleaned from a score or set of scores. I agree that for the NCAA the aggregate score doesn't matter, but no one said the only thing anyone could mention or care about is what the NCAA cares about. Again, nuance, and you failing to appreciate it.

Before this weekend the winning percentage of the 9 teams that beat Marietta was about .585 and the 4 teams that beat Berg was about .780. Glad to see that you at last grudgingly gave them some respect.

You want respect? Do something to earn it. You don't get trophies for home splits in April.

Hey, I get the disappointment and frustration. In recruiting you were sold that Heidelberg was the best program in the region and was one step away from a national championship and since then all you've seen is order restored to the conference and region to the tune of two national titles and a regional runner-up finish for the Etta Express. Last year you were .500 and didn't make the conference tournament.

That's tough, I mean I guess: I don't really know; we've never not made the OAC tournament since it went to 4 teams, and haven't had a .500 or below season since Eisenhower's first term. But it seems like it would be disappointing.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 15, 2014, 06:29:07 AM
Heidelberg moves up to #10 and Case moves up to #18 in this week's poll while Marietta still among ORV. Guess I am not the only one not blown away by the road split.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 15, 2014, 11:42:21 AM
Berg #9 in latest ABCA poll, Case #19. Marietta dropped out of top 30, 12 points ahead of BW in ORV.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2014, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 15, 2014, 06:29:07 AM
Heidelberg moves up to #10 and Case moves up to #18 in this week's poll while Marietta still among ORV. Guess I am not the only one not blown away by the road split.

You're too new to remember/know what happened in 2006. Even 2008 is a long time ago to you.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 15, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
That's right, ancient history. And of course anything that doesn't agree with your narrow view of the world is wrong.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 15, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
That's right, ancient history. And of course anything that doesn't agree with your narrow view of the world is wrong.

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

Let's see...my narrow view of the world...I've been to the national tournament 4 times in two different venues (not on Jim Dixon's level there but a few), I've been an official scorer for 100+ games, I've been paid for articles about teams in the New England, New York, Mideast, South and West regions, and did unpaid work on the Mid-Atlantic region. I live in the Midwest region right now and was at the same youth tournament/showcase as Chris Olean and Corey Kemp this summer. So I've missed the Central, but BigPoppa pretty much has that covered. :) I have reported on a game involving a Central team, but wasn't primarily covering them so I don't think that counts.

The first regional tournament I went to was in 1995 in my first year as an undergrad. I got pretty sunburned watching Marietta and Allegheny beat the ball around the yard with -5 differential bats for a doubleheader on championship day.

What I'm saying by bringing up the past is that it's all happened before and the polls have been proven wrong many a time. I used to critique the polls a lot more than I do now, because it's just not worth it and the problems that arise are unlikely to change.

Teams have come from being unranked or nearly unranked and won the national title, teams have been in the top 5 and gone 2 and out in the regional. Teams have been ranked in the top 10 and not gotten a Pool C berth (unlikely to happen now, thank you March Madness).

All questions get answered in May (or sometimes late April in the south).
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 15, 2014, 03:05:07 PM
There was no agenda at all in my posts about the current rankings. I merely thought they might be of interest to any Mideast baseball fans you haven't chased away from this site with your endless rants (this one I totally ignored). Of course you had to respond with one of your infamous history lessons because your narrow view is through those Pioneer blue glasses you have on. Just like when you ripped the Massey ratings as flawed because they weren't what you wanted to see. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 15, 2014, 03:05:07 PM
There was no agenda at all in my posts about the current rankings. I merely thought they might be of interest to any Mideast baseball fans you haven't chased away from this site with your endless rants (this one I totally ignored).

"I'll believe that when me **** turns purple, and smells like rainbow sherbet."

Of course you had to respond with one of your infamous history lessons because your narrow view is through those Pioneer blue glasses you have on. Just like when you ripped the Massey ratings as flawed because they weren't what you wanted to see.

Even though you have made this personal, out of respect for Pat and Jim, I'm not responding in kind even though I think I would be justified in doing so.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2014, 04:21:30 PM
Oh honestly, neither of you has a leg to stand on here. Your back-and-forth is indeed poisoning the rest of the OAC conversation and as my mom noted long before 1995, it takes two to fight.

No high horses here. Just let it cool off, both of you.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 15, 2014, 04:25:15 PM
Another indicator of the strength of the Mideast Region, the Massey Ratings. 14 teams in the top 100.

5. Heidelberg
17. Case
42. Baldwin Wallace
44. John Carroll
50. Marietta
60. Allegheny
62. Wabash
66. Wooster
68. Adrian
70. Ohio Northern
73. Manchester
80. Mount Union
92. Otterbein
94. Rose Hulman

Half of those 14 are OAC schools
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
The beginning of the critiques against Massey's ratings is that the records aren't even right.  ::) Next would be that its future schedules are wrong. Third, related to second, Massey apparently doesn't know what a doubleheader is, which makes several pieces of data somewhere between flawed and useless.

If you really care beyond that, I'll go on, but I'm not going to waste my time if you're just looking for a drive-by dig.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2014, 10:46:52 AM
I know Massey used to scrape our site for its scores but I don't think he does anymore. I believe he's trying to pull them from some NCAA site. But I believe we're more updated.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
John Carroll (3-3): 1-1 vs. Case Western (L at neutral site; W at home), 2-0 vs. BW. 0-2 at Heidelberg
Remaining on the schedule: DH at Marietta, at Case Western.

Marietta (4-3): 2-1 vs. Case Western (W at neutral; 1-1 at Case), 1-1 vs. BW, 1-1 at Heide.
Remaining on the schedule: DH vs. JCU.

Heidelberg (5-3): 1-1 vs. BW (neutral site), 1-1 vs. Case, 1-1 vs. MC. 2-0 vs. JCU
Remaining on the schedule: at Case Western.

Baldwin-Wallace (3-4): 1-1 vs. Heide (neutral site), 1-1 at MC, 1-0 vs. Case, 0-2 at JCU.
Remaining on the schedule: none. (maybe a makeup at Case?)

Case Western Reserve (4-6): 1-1 vs. JCU (W at neutral, L at JCU), 1-1 at Heide, 1-2 vs. Marietta (L at neutral, 1-1 at home), 0-1 vs. BW.
Remaining on the schedule: vs. Heidelberg, vs. John Carroll, (makeup vs. BW?)

Updated, submitted without comment to avoid offending anyone.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 19, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
Big Mid East showdown DH today as Laroche and Pitt-Bradford battle for first place in the AMCC.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 19, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 19, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
Big Mid East showdown DH today as Laroche and Pitt-Bradford battle for first place in the AMCC.
Thanks motorman. There is so little talk here about tge amcc. Are they officially a mideast conference this year? Or are still considered a multi region conference?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 19, 2014, 10:27:10 PM
I believe they are officially a mideast conference now. LaRoche made a statement, beat Pitt-Bradford 16-3 and 16-1 to take a 2 game lead in the loss column over their victims today. I knew LaRoche had a more difficult schedule, including Heidelberg and Marietta, but they showed as the better team today on the field.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 20, 2014, 09:11:46 AM
I expect the 1st regional rankings will be out this week since the 1st one last year is dated 4/25/13. I've changed a few things since
mine I posted last week.

1. Heidelberg (27-5)
2. Case (25-7)
3. Marietta (22-10)
4. Allegheny (22-7)
5. Adrian (23-8)
6. John Carroll (18-10)
7. Baldwin Wallace (19-8)*
8. Manchester (20-11)

*BW record omits 4 non D3 losses, overall record of 19-12
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 21, 2014, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: motorman on April 20, 2014, 09:11:46 AM
I expect the 1st regional rankings will be out this week since the 1st one last year is dated 4/25/13. I've changed a few things since
mine I posted last week.

1. Heidelberg (27-5)
2. Case (25-7)
3. Marietta (22-10)
4. Allegheny (22-7)
5. Adrian (23-8)
6. John Carroll (18-10)
7. Baldwin Wallace (19-8)*
8. Manchester (20-11)

*BW record omits 4 non D3 losses, overall record of 19-12

While this looks pretty good, I'll be surprised to see JCU in this group after being swept in Tiffin last Friday.  It won't surprise me to see someone from the PrAC or the AMCC in the list.  But overall I think the list is solid. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
Of its nine remaining games, CWRU has games at Allegheny (2) and home vs Heidelberg and B-W this week, then next week John Carroll at Progressive Field.

If the weather holds Spartans will play eight games in six days.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 19, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 19, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
Big Mid East showdown DH today as Laroche and Pitt-Bradford battle for first place in the AMCC.
Thanks motorman. There is so little talk here about tge amcc. Are they officially a mideast conference this year? Or are still considered a multi region conference?

Mideast per the manual

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/MANUALS_DIIIMBA_PreChampsManual_2013-14.pdf
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 21, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
Did you know that Finlandia was in the UAA?  :-X

Check under appendix B. Tried to get a screen shot but it would not let me upload the JPG file.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 21, 2014, 04:25:29 PM
EttaFan, at first I had JCU lower than BW, but they are ahead of them in the conference and swept BW head to head and their strength of schedule is better than W&J, though not by as much as I thought (#5 vs #35), so I guess you could put them in ahead of JCU and BW.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 21, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 21, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
Did you know that Finlandia was in the UAA?  :-X

Check under appendix B. Tried to get a screen shot but it would not let me upload the JPG file.

It's a typo, the UAA is supposed to be Case, not Finlandia. Finlandia is an independent.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 21, 2014, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 21, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 21, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
Did you know that Finlandia was in the UAA?  :-X

Check under appendix B. Tried to get a screen shot but it would not let me upload the JPG file.

It's a typo, the UAA is supposed to be Case, not Finlandia. Finlandia is an independent.
Yeah I know, hence the sour face smiley. I just bring it up because it was a typo in an official NCAA document.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2014, 09:54:31 PM
I think we're all just used to it. :)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 22, 2014, 08:19:28 AM
Quote from: motorman on April 21, 2014, 04:25:29 PM
EttaFan, at first I had JCU lower than BW, but they are ahead of them in the conference and swept BW head to head and their strength of schedule is better than W&J, though not by as much as I thought (#5 vs #35), so I guess you could put them in ahead of JCU and BW.

Just going by what I can remember seeing in years past.  Often time conference leaders with similar records to 3rd and 4th place teams in other confernces get a nod in the rankings.  No biggie really, just discussion stuff until we get to see them.  the Prac is a one bid league this year, as is the MIAA, AMCC and the HCAC.  The biggest surprise would be if one of those conferences had more than one team in the regional rankings.  Depending on circumstances, I would be slightly surprised if the NCAC gets more than one.  I think the OAC is almost a lock for two teams, and there are a few scenarios where a third team might get a pool C bid.  (standard disclaimer about unexpected upsets applies, though)

My thoughts:

Mortal Locks for the regional:  Case & Berg (unless Berg just completely falls apart starts losing and goes 2 and out in the OAC tourney), Adrian—quite frankly the MIAA is typcially bad, and Adrian should win the pool A bid without much trouble.
Looking good for a bid: Marietta.  However winning their next 6 and a strong tourney showing would go a long way to solidifying this.  Manchester.
Really needing a strong finish:  If either Wooster or Allegheny doesn't win the NCAC, the other will need to finish strong in the next two weeks to make their case for a bid. 
Better win your conference tournament: JCU, BW, Dennision, Wabash, any PrAC team, and anyone from the AMCC.   

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 22, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
The really ironic thing about the MIAA is that last year in the 1st year of them having a conference tournament, Adrian wasn't the regular season champ but won tournament. Talk about good timing. Hope must have had a lot of Seniors graduate, not nearly as good this year.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 22, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Even the past few regionals, Adrian has been somewhat of a disappointment.  I can remember in 10, 11, and 12, they had some pretty solid pitching numbers, and went out fairly early.  I think the two OAC teams which make the field and Case will be tough outs of the regional this year.  They will be seriously battle tested when the time comes. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 22, 2014, 10:48:20 PM
In Mideast news today: Ohio Northern beats Valpo 2-1, Case and Allegheny split a DH, Berg handles Denison 14-5 and Wooster beats JCU 9-4.

In polls out today: D3.com has Berg #7, Case #16 and Etta #23. ABCA has them #7, #19, and #27. Adrian ORV in both and LaRoche in ABCA only.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 23, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
Feast/famine for the Spartans yesterday at Allegheny.

Fortunato lowered his ERA to 1.85 w/ 7 IP CG  1 R/ER  4 H  1 BB  7 K IN A 5-1 win in game one.

Then six Spartan pitchers helped the Gators score 13 with 7 BB, 6 HBP, and 3 WP, as Spartans dropped game two 13-3.

Big game with Berg today.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 23, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
Johnstone regains form and gets a complete game win over Berg 2-1.  Fluharty pitched well for them as well, as both Spartan runs were unearned.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 24, 2014, 03:27:53 AM
Winning two out of three from Top Ten Heidelberg is nice.  Now we have to break even with B-W.

After that, we need to take care of business against Denison and Oberlin.

Our last game against JCU could be quite intriguing.  We've split our first two with them.  We'll see if we can win at Progressive.  Sure wish I could see that one in person!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 24, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
First Regional Rankings of the year posted very recently...

1.  Berg
2.  Marietta
3.  John Carroll
4.  Case
5.  BW
6.  Wooster
7.  Allegheny
8.  La Roche
9. Adrian

Surprised at the order a little.  Thought Marietta would (should) be lower.  THough JCU would be much lower, and Case would be 2.  Bigger surprise, no manchester.  But what do I know, right?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2014, 04:19:41 AM
MC has taken 2 of 3 from Case and is ahead of JCU and BW in the standings. Not sure how you would move them down further.

Only the standings lead keeps a case from being made for Marietta being 1st by that methodology, since they got the split at Heidelberg and took 2 of 3 from a team that has beaten Heide 2 of 3.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 25, 2014, 06:56:17 AM
If we beat JCU this Tuesday, then we will have taken 2 of 3 from both the #1 seed, and the #3 seed.

In my mind, that should make us no worse than #2.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2014, 08:22:47 AM
Marietta has what I would call some "bad losses."  Losing a game to Case/BW/Berg isn't a particularly big deal.  But losses to teams like Mount Aloysisous and Muskingum are what drags down Marietta a little IMO.  Huge series with JCU this weekend.  Not just for OAC purposes, but obviously for their record against regionally ranked opponents.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2014, 09:32:43 AM
Wooster and Allegheny being regionally ranked  at 6 and 7 are not going to help either get a pool C. But I am not sure why Wooster is ahead of Allegheny. There is not that much difference in their SOS. Wooster is at 58 and Gheny is at 61.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2014, 10:38:34 AM
Reputation, really.  I would have to go back and compare records against other regionally ranked opponents and such (so I'm being lazy mostly).  Wooster has a few more "names" on the slate, than the gators. 

Really the weekend series between them could sort these two out. 

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on April 25, 2014, 11:07:12 AM
In looking at the schedules, Wooster has beaten #2 Webster (28-4), Others Receiveing Votes - Salem State  (25-12), nationally known Johns Hopkins (20-13) and little known Bethel who is 17-6.  Allegheny has beaten #16 CWRU but none of their other opponents appear in the poll or as "Other Receiving Votes", and have no other national powers on their schedule. 

As EttaFan1 indicated, this weekend will definitely sort things out....unless they split.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2014, 11:47:08 AM
Thanks Etta and Pops +1 to you both.

I am really interested to see how this weekend goes between those two.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 25, 2014, 06:56:17 AM
If we beat JCU this Tuesday, then we will have taken 2 of 3 from both the #1 seed, and the #3 seed.

In my mind, that should make us no worse than #2.

Even though the 2 has beaten you 2 of 3 despite you being able to line up your best starters against the back end of their rotation?

I thought Case people were smart...
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2014, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2014, 08:22:47 AM
Marietta has what I would call some "bad losses."  Losing a game to Case/BW/Berg isn't a particularly big deal.  But losses to teams like Mount Aloysisous and Muskingum are what drags down Marietta a little IMO.  Huge series with JCU this weekend.  Not just for OAC purposes, but obviously for their record against regionally ranked opponents.

See I think of it the other way around. Who have you proven you can beat is more important than what flukey loss do you have.

Marietta plays the toughest schedule in the region and maybe the toughest in the country. When you do that, sometimes you're going to put yourself in a tough spot and maybe drop a game you shouldn't, because there's just no margin for error in your schedule.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 25, 2014, 04:39:07 PM
Based on the SoS numbers Marietta's sched isn't significantly tougher than the other top teams in the region, all are right around 0.6, but their W/L % is roughly 0.100 lower than CWRU and 0.150 than Heidelberg.

To date, I count 14 Marietta games vs RR teams, while CWRU has 17.   MC 9-5   CWRU 11-6  4 of CWRU's RR games (3-1) were after the first RR.

H2H MC 2-1.

I can't really argue with MC at #2, but JCU is 5-8 vs RR and W% .150 lower than CWRU, I don't get them at #3.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 25, 2014, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 25, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 25, 2014, 06:56:17 AM
If we beat JCU this Tuesday, then we will have taken 2 of 3 from both the #1 seed, and the #3 seed.

In my mind, that should make us no worse than #2.

Even though the 2 has beaten you 2 of 3 despite you being able to line up your best starters against the back end of their rotation?

I thought Case people were smart...

He's in Afghanistan, he has more important things on his mind.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 25, 2014, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 25, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 25, 2014, 06:56:17 AM
If we beat JCU this Tuesday, then we will have taken 2 of 3 from both the #1 seed, and the #3 seed.

In my mind, that should make us no worse than #2.

Even though the 2 has beaten you 2 of 3 despite you being able to line up your best starters against the back end of their rotation?

I thought Case people were smart...

He's in Afghanistan, he has more important things on his mind.

Fair play to that.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2014, 01:12:10 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 25, 2014, 04:39:07 PM
Based on the SoS numbers Marietta's sched isn't significantly tougher than the other top teams in the region, all are right around 0.6, but their W/L % is roughly 0.100 lower than CWRU and 0.150 than Heidelberg.

To date, I count 14 Marietta games vs RR teams, while CWRU has 17.   MC 9-5   CWRU 11-6  4 of CWRU's RR games (3-1) were after the first RR.

H2H MC 2-1.

I can't really argue with MC at #2, but JCU is 5-8 vs RR and W% .150 lower than CWRU, I don't get them at #3.

Well, I don't really know either, but it should take care of itself with Marietta and John Carroll playing today. The thing that makes it hard to know what to do with Case is that they can throw their top arms against midweek pitching for teams that have to plan around conference games. I was actually surprised that Marietta got a road split considering it was 3/5 or so vs. 1/2.

There's quite a bit more separation at the top of the SOS rankings than there is in the middle. MC picked up 2 against LaRoche, so hopefully that'll help make up for having to play Wilmington. You're right that a bunch of Mideast teams have played strong schedules and are also benefitting from having done so in Florida and getting second level points from that.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 27, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
Ouch!

We needed sweeps against Denison and Oberlin.

Let's hope we can get 3 out of 4, and then win the series with JCU at Progressive Field this coming Tuesday.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 27, 2014, 03:05:24 PM
Oberlin takes the first against Case.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 27, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Upshot: Marietta is the only team with a .500 road record, and the only team with a winning neutral record among the "league". No individual team has a series advantage over Marietta. BW is the only team that has much of an argument since they got a split in Marietta, but that's a 2-game difference in "standings", so it wouldn't matter too much.

Below them, where you play John Carroll seems to be the biggest determining factor of record/ordinal. Heide played them at home and swept, BW played them away and got swept, Case played one away and one neutral and split. Move those around and you can get Heide, BW and Case finishing anywhere. BW only having played one game against these teams at home makes you think maybe they're better than their record.

Marietta (6-3): 2-1 vs. Case Western (W at neutral; 1-1 at Case), 1-1 vs. BW, 1-1 at Heide, 2-0 vs. JCU.
3-1 home, 2-2 away, 1-0 neutral

Heidelberg (5-4): 1-1 vs. BW (neutral site), 1-2 vs. Case (1-1 at home, L away), 1-1 vs. MC. 2-0 vs. JCU
4-2 home, 0-1 away, 1-1 neutral

Case Western Reserve (5-5): 1-1 vs. JCU (W at neutral, L at JCU), 2-1 vs. Heide (1-1 at Heide, W at home), 1-2 vs. Marietta (L at neutral, 1-1 at home), 1-1 vs. BW (each won at home).
3-2 home, 1-2 away, 1-1 neutral
Remaining on the schedule: vs. John Carroll

Baldwin-Wallace (3-4): 1-1 vs. Heide (neutral site), 1-1 at MC, 1-0 vs. Case, 0-2 at JCU.
1-0 home, 1-3 away, 1-1 neutral

John Carroll (3-5): 1-1 vs. Case Western (L at neutral site; W at home), 2-0 vs. BW. 0-2 at Heidelberg, 0-2 at Marietta.
3-0 home, 0-4 away, 0-1 neutral
Remaining on the schedule: at Case Western.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 27, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
So, you disregard the fact that Heidelberg has a higher winning percentage (.806 vs .694) against an almost identical strength of schedule (#6 vs #1) and will have more wins against regionally ranked teams to put Marietta as the #1 team in the region? Seems a little bit of those Marietta blue glasses showing through again. Berg will be 13-6 vs regionally ranked opponents if Manchester is ranked as they should have been last week. Marietta is 11-5. Their better road record against teams in the region is hardly going to be the deciding factor when they split head to head.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 27, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
I really don't care who is the top ranked team in the region to be honest with you. We won a title in 06 going to the regional as the 3 seed because we kept outhitting a very good Otterbein team and somehow losing anyway (I think Wooster was the 1 seed through some obviously flawed process). Finally overcame them in a spectacular regional championship, beat Jordan Zimmerman in the opener in Appleton and cruised from there. So the seed is pretty well meaningless as long as you're in the regional, which I don't have too many worries about.

I care more about the OAC tournament being in Marietta because it's the best fan experience, and the best player experience. Coach Schaly always said it would be easier to play at neutral site for tournaments and just worry about baseball, but it's not just about him or even his team. So he bid for the regional every year, got lights to try to give Marietta the best chance to continue hosting tournaments in the future...etc.

And now because Heidelberg gave up about 75 runs with their quasi-ace starting the game, there's a decent chance for that to happen, one way or another.

But everything I posted is fact. The record against those teams is what it is, the results are what they are, and really the analysis is pretty straightforward.

By the way, I believe 11-5 is still better than 13-6. Didn't major in math, but pretty sure that's right. Seems like your own numbers undermine your argument. Not that it matters, region vs. out of region is an irrelevant distinction now.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 27, 2014, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 27, 2014, 08:43:17 PM


And now because Heidelberg gave up about 75 runs with their quasi-ace starting the game, there's a decent chance for that to happen, one way or another.

But everything I posted is fact. The record against those teams is what it is, the results are what they are, and really the analysis is pretty straightforward.

By the way, I believe 11-5 is still better than 13-6. Didn't major in math, but pretty sure that's right. Seems like your own numbers undermine your argument. Not that it matters, region vs. out of region is an irrelevant distinction now.


You really show your lack of knowledge every time you open your mouth. Berg lost because they gave up 13 unearned runs to a team that is 23-11 and all it did was drop them into a first place tie with Marietta because Marietta's other league loss was at home to 15-17 Muskingum. Can see that you didn't major in math when 19 is "about 75". How about Marietta gives up 13 unearned runs this weekend and see how tough Wilmington can be. You still ignore those facts that are inconvenient to you. 29-7 is better than 25-11. I didn't say their winning percentage against regionally ranked teams was better, I said they won more games against regionally ranked teams. 13 is greater than 11. And I didn't say a thing about in region vs out of region. I said vs regionally ranked teams. That means ALL regions. But you had to fly off the handle to attack what I had to say without really reading what I said.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 27, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
13 unearned runs? Wow that's even worse than I thought. I'd hate to know the last time Marietta gave up 13 unearned. I did look up the last time we gave up 19...it was as I figured, before your kid committed to Heidelberg. 2008, Otterbein.

If Marietta gives up 13 unearned runs to Wilmington, they deserve nothing. If they give that many unearned up to anyone, they deserve nothing. Hell I'll be disappointed if they give up 13 total runs to Wilmington unless they throw staff games or something. 13 unearned in a game is ridiculous. Even if the defense gives away an extra out or two, pitchers should be able to limit damage better than that.

About 75 was an example of what most normal humans would call hyperbole. Believe me, I knew exactly what the score was most of that game, and who pitched and couldn't get out of the second inning as well. It was announced on the Marietta broadcast about once every three innings (which was one every inning and a half for you all)

You mistake ignoring inconvenient facts with ignoring irrelevant facts.

Enjoy Marietta, maybe on back to back weekends. Remember no outside food is allowed, buy your Twizzlers at the concession stand.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 28, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
So here is how the regionally ranked teams did last week.

1.  Heidelberg:  Previous record 27-5, this week:  2-2.  Losses to Otterbein and RR4 Case, Wins aganst Dennision and Otterbein.  Now 29-7
2.  Marietta:  Previous Record 22-10, this week:  3-1.  Loss to Forstburg State, Wins against Frostburg, and RR3 JCU, twice.  Now 25-11
3.  JCU:  Previous Record:  18-10  This week: 1-4.  Losses to RR6 Wooster, RR2 Marietta-twice, Dennision.  Wins against Denison.  Now 19-14
4.  Case:  Previous record:  25-7  This week:  5-3.  Losses to RR7 Allegheny, Dennision, Oberlin.  Wins against RR1 Berg, RR5 BW, RR7 Allegheny, Dennision and Oberlin.  Now 30-10
5.  BW:  Previous Record: 19-8  This week:  1-2.  Loses to RR4 Case, Muskingum.  Win against Muskingum Now 20-10
6.  Wooster:  Previous Record: 19-10.  This week: 4-2.  Losses to RR7 Allegheny and Muskingum.  Wins against RR7 Allegheny three times, RR3  JCU
7.  Allegheny:  Previous record: 21-7.  This week:  3-4.  Losses to RR6 Wooster three times, RR4 Case.  Wins against RR6 Wooster, RR4 Case, Fredonia State.  Now 24-11
8.  LaRoche: Previous record: 21-11.  This week: 5-0.  Wins against Waynesburg, Mount Aloysius (2), and Dyouville (2).  Now 26-11
9.  Adrian:  Previous record:  21-7.  This week:  3-1 (in region).  3 wins against Kalamazoo, 1 loss to same, now 24-8.

Others in consideration:  Manchester, currently 23-12, W&J 22-12

A look at the NCAA Sos ranks for the region teams...

1.  Berg: 6
2.  Marietta: 1
3.  JCU: 3
4.  Case: 4
5.  BW: 8
6.  Wooster: 26
7.  Allegheny: 45
8.  LaRoche: 200
9. Adrian:  197

Manchester: 81
W&J: 116

JCU likely drops a few spots, and maybe out of the regional rankings after they were swept by Marietta and lost to Wooster and Denison. 
Berg and Marietta will stay the same. 
Case moves up one.
Wooster moves up
BW drops. 

Allegheny drops out.  Might see W&J or Manchester in the rankings next week. 

My guess on the regional poll for this week:

1.  Berg
2.  Marietta
3.  Case
4.  Wooster
5.  JCU
6.  BW
7.  La Roche
8. Adrian
9.  W&J or Manchester.

Dropping out:  Allegheny

It would be hard to drop JCU or bW completely out of the rankings due to their SOS.  Honestly I hadn't looked at the SOS numbers in a while.  All I can say is WOW.  I'm impressed with the top four OAC teams and Case. 

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 28, 2014, 10:02:11 AM
Does there have to be 9 regionally ranked teams? If Allegheny drops out and the regional committee rep doesn't think another team is good enough to be regionally ranked, can he only rank 8?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 28, 2014, 01:59:55 PM
I'll admit I haven't followed things at the "national level" as much as I have in season's past.  Additional work responsbilities (until a couple of weeks ago) and a lack of time are primarily the reasons.  I mostly follow mideast stuff as it has the biggest impact on the team I care about the most.

However, over on the national topics there is a pool C thread http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8165.45 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8165.45).  In which, Spence uses a quick and easy method of adding regional Win pct and SOS to get a "combined number" (think OPS) to figure out who is in line for a Pool C bid. 

Using the numbers on the d3baseball.com's SOS page as of 4/28, here it is for the regionally ranked teams in the mideast.

Berg 1.391
Case 1.338 (likely a Pool B)
Marietta 1.308

Adrian 1.266
BW 1.249
Allegheny 1.243
Wooster 1.217
La Roche 1.211
Mount Union 1.202

Ohio Northern 1.171
Anderson 1.186
Manchester 1.173
W&J 1.173
Rose Hulman 1.168
John Carroll 1.166

Spence's supposition is if your win pct + SOS is greater than 1.3, you are in very good shape to get an at large birth to your tournament.  If you are below 1.2, you need to win your tournament.  Everywhere in between puts you squarely on the bubble. 

Using this rationale, as of today: 

Locks:  Case (likely pool B), Berg, and Marietta. 
Bubble Teams:  BW, Adrian, Wooster, Allegheny, La Roche, Mount Union (who will likely NOT make the OAC tournament....Can't imagine they will even be in the discussion).
Better win the tourney:  JCU, ONU (if they get in to the OAC tourney), All of the HCAC and PrAC. 

One bid leagues:  HCAC, PrAC. 

With 6 pool A's, and a likely Pool B, that leaves room for one "in region" pool C birth.  There is a good chance somebody will be sent to another region.   


Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 28, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
I agree with you on Mount Union. It's happened before that a team got in with a really mediocre conference performance, but I don't think they're a similar case to that (Ramapo).

The way things are looking, even most of the second group probably won't get in. Right now there are probably 7-8 at-large bids that are more or less up for grabs. Shenandoah will get one, the OAC will get one, the NJAC will get one, Little East most likely gets one. And whichever of Case, Emory or Birmingham don't get a Pool B will get one. So that's 5 gone before the conversation even really gets started.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 28, 2014, 02:16:37 PM
If Depauw or Wabash win the Pool A for the NCAC then they may be good candidates to go out to Moline. That is a 4 hour drive for Wabash and a 4.5 for Depauw.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 29, 2014, 12:15:41 AM
Splitting with Oberlin and Denison in these last two series didn't help.

We definitely need a win over JCU at Progressive to close out the season.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 29, 2014, 07:49:59 AM
In new poll, Berg drops 1 spot to #8, Case drops 3 spots to #16, Marietta stays at #23.

In my opinion, a 19-14 JCU team should drop out of regional rankings. And that makes it difficult to keep BW too since JCU swept them and is ahead of them in league standings. I think that now the only way OAC gets 3 teams into the tournament is if BW or JCU wins the tournament.

I definitely think Manchester and Washington & Jefferson should be in the regional rankings ahead of BW and JCU.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 29, 2014, 08:16:22 AM
Motorman, I think you are correct about the three bids for the OAC--namely two pool C bids.  I think the only way this happens is if JCU or BW (assuming BW makes the OAC tourney, which is not assured yet, but a fairly confident assumption) wins the Pool A. 

I've not seen Manchester this season, so I can't speak to how good they are.  JCU and BW are both very good.  W&J is decent but I wouldn't say they are better than JCU or BW.  At the same time, I can see both of them appearing in the rankings at some point as they would be the "likely" Pool A teams from both of those conferences. 

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 29, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
I still think if BW makes the tournament, they're in the conversation. There are really very not gonna be that many bids up for grabs though, so a decent number of conference tournament upsets and it could be that no one on the bubble gets in.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 29, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 29, 2014, 12:15:41 AM
Splitting with Oberlin and Denison in these last two series didn't help.

We definitely need a win over JCU at Progressive to close out the season.

Postponed to Weds.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 29, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
Still at the stadium formerly known as Jake?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 29, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
Yes

Late Progressive founder Peter Lewis was a CWRU benefactor.  The Weatherhead School of Business in in the Peter Lewis Bldg.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 29, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
New ABCA D3 poll has Heidelberg #9, Case #18 and Marietta #25
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 29, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 29, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
Yes

Late Progressive founder Peter Lewis was a CWRU benefactor.  The Weatherhead School of Business in in the Peter Lewis Bldg.

Just didn't know what the schedule looked like. Glad that they're not losing out on that experience for the players.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 29, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 29, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
New ABCA D3 poll has Heidelberg #9, Case #18 and Marietta #25

Coaches obviously paying more attention to their teams than others. Not even arsed to look at the regional rankings, let alone results and standings.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 30, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 29, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 29, 2014, 12:15:41 AM
Splitting with Oberlin and Denison in these last two series didn't help.

We definitely need a win over JCU at Progressive to close out the season.

Postponed to Weds.

Washed out again today, no plans to reschedule.  At least last year they got two innings in.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 30, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 29, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 29, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
New ABCA D3 poll has Heidelberg #9, Case #18 and Marietta #25

Coaches obviously paying more attention to their teams than others. Not even arsed to look at the regional rankings, let alone results and standings.
Do you have any idea how foolish this post makes you look? The ABCA poll has these 3 Mideast teams in almost exactly the same spot as the D3.com poll. You want to accuse those people of having their heads in the sand too? Most be lonely when you are the only person right and the rest of the world is wrong.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on April 30, 2014, 07:36:28 PM
BW took a big hit today, losing 2 to Oberlin 7-4 and 2-1. Berg roared back from 6-0 and 8-2 deficits to thump Wooster 17-9.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 30, 2014, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 30, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 29, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 29, 2014, 12:15:41 AM
Splitting with Oberlin and Denison in these last two series didn't help.

We definitely need a win over JCU at Progressive to close out the season.

Postponed to Weds.

Washed out again today, no plans to reschedule.  At least last year they got two innings in.

:( Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on April 30, 2014, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 30, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 29, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: motorman on April 29, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
New ABCA D3 poll has Heidelberg #9, Case #18 and Marietta #25

Coaches obviously paying more attention to their teams than others. Not even arsed to look at the regional rankings, let alone results and standings.
Do you have any idea how foolish this post makes you look? The ABCA poll has these 3 Mideast teams in almost exactly the same spot as the D3.com poll. You want to accuse those people of having their heads in the sand too? Most be lonely when you are the only person right and the rest of the world is wrong.

I have been critical of the D3.com poll for its lack of viscosity before. That's not new.

Whatever, as I said on another thread, when you have championships, polls aren't really that important to you (though I know one former baseball coach that wouldn't necessarily agree with that). When you don't have championships, maybe polls are the best thing you have.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 01, 2014, 04:37:18 AM
Well, with the JCU game cancelled, it look as though all there is to do now is to wait for the NCAA selection committee.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2014, 05:21:49 AM
Does the UAA schedule count as a tournament or are those regular season games?

I was thinking tournament because Case has 40 games but still had one more scheduled and I'm assuming they know they rules. :) So they could still pick up a game or three if they want, how easy that would be is up for debate. Marietta had games to make up but scheduled 2 against La Roche for Sunday (La Roche's conference schedule is done also, and they picked up a Friday game against Frostburg State).
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 01, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
They call it the UAA Championship.

Finals now thru May 8, but could add a game the last weekend. But most conferences have their tournaments then.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2014, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 01, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
They call it the UAA Championship.

Finals now thru May 8, but could add a game the last weekend. But most conferences have their tournaments then.

Yeah that's what I figured. Smart way to do it.

Like you say, the difficulty is going to be finding a dance partner. Could have been Adrian back in the days before the Michigan conference had a tournament.

Does the Empire 8 have a tourney? St. John Fisher or Ithaca available? That's not too far from Cleveland, crappy drive though. Is Rochester available? Non D-III?...I dunno it's not my program but those would just be a few of my spitball ideas.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 01, 2014, 01:02:01 PM
Maybe a ranked team that gets ousted early in its tournament.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
That could be a tough sell, unless the coach of the team who went out early was VERY confident of a regional birth, or the game would increase their chances of a regional birth.

What are the rules for that.  You don't see it happen very often.  Even when the mideast region was a four team affair, you didn't see Marietta call up OWU or Wooster and schedule a game for tuesday as a "tune up."  (Now Marietta used to do that frequently before the conference tourney, but this is different.

And then find a highly ranked team who doesn't have their 40 in.  Allegheny would be at 39 games, JCU at 37 (make up!), Wooster at 40, Berg at 40, Marietta at 40...Not a lot of opportunities for that.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2014, 02:29:32 PM
Looking around at some of the other conferences in the region.

President's Athletic Conference:
W&J has a six game lead on the field at 18-2 in league play.  Bethany is second with a 12-8 league record with Thomas More and St .Vincent a game behind.  Waynseburg is currently in 5th at 10-10. 

Heartland COnference:
Manchester has a two geam lead with a 17-5 conference mark.  Anderson is two games back at 15-7, and RHIT sits at 14-8.  Franklin currently holds the fourth spot with a one game advantage over 5th place Bluffton.

Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic:
It is of little surprise to find Adrian atop of the MIAA standings, having clinched the regular season championship.  They are currently 20-4.  Calvin appears to have clinched a spot in the MIAA tourney and is currently in second.  Hope Albion and kalamazoo are battling for the remaining two spots. 

AMCC:
The tournament field in the AMCC is set.
#6 PS-Altoona plays at Mount Aloysicious.
#5 Pitt-Bradford plays at #4 Pitt Greensburg.  These happen on Saturday and are a best of three series.

Next weekend, PS-Beherend plas the Altoona/Mt Aloysicious winner, and La Roche (host and top seed) plays the winner of the Bradford Greensburg series and a more traitional four team double elimination format. 

It would appear La Roche, Adrian and W&J are solid favorites.  The race in the Heartland conference appears to be a little more closely contested. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
That could be a tough sell, unless the coach of the team who went out early was VERY confident of a regional birth, or the game would increase their chances of a regional birth.

I think more column B, like Frostburg picking up a game against La Roche and adding a game against Marietta.

What are the rules for that.  You don't see it happen very often.  Even when the mideast region was a four team affair, you didn't see Marietta call up OWU or Wooster and schedule a game for tuesday as a "tune up."  (Now Marietta used to do that frequently before the conference tourney, but this is different.

In the past we would already have schedule Bethany or Ohio Valley, planned to throw about 14 pitches, and usually manage to split a doubleheader. :)

And then find a highly ranked team who doesn't have their 40 in.  Allegheny would be at 39 games, JCU at 37 (make up!), Wooster at 40, Berg at 40, Marietta at 40...Not a lot of opportunities for that.

That's what I would do if I was Carroll -- play a DH Sunday. Doesn't hurt you for Thursday since presumably you threw your top two guys on Saturday. Sure you'll be behind the curve on pitching but JCU doesn't have much shot at a Pool C as it stands.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
 Is there a deadline for when regular season games must be completed in the NCAA rules, though.  I realize there are conferences who completed their conference tourney's a week or more ago.  But how many games in recent years have been scheduled between the OAC tourney and the regional.  Usually the bethany OVU was after the last league DH before the OAC tourney. 

Some of these teams have long layoffs, especially the warm weather teams.  I would think if you could play regular season games between May 4 and the first regional game, somebody would try it.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 01, 2014, 06:01:51 PM
2nd RR

1.   Heidelberg   29-7   29-7            
2.   Marietta   25-11   25-11            
3.   Case   30-10   30-10            
4.   Baldwin Wallace   20-10   20-14            
5.   Wooster   23-12   23-12            
6.   LaRoche   26-11   26-11            
7.   John Carroll   19-14   19-14            
8.   Adrian   24-8   25-10            
9.   Allegheny   24-11   25-11
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2014, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
Is there a deadline for when regular season games must be completed in the NCAA rules, though.  I realize there are conferences who completed their conference tourney's a week or more ago.  But how many games in recent years have been scheduled between the OAC tourney and the regional.  Usually the bethany OVU was after the last league DH before the OAC tourney. 

Some of these teams have long layoffs, especially the warm weather teams.  I would think if you could play regular season games between May 4 and the first regional game, somebody would try it.

Ithaca and Brockport are scheduled to play May 10.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Guess there isn't a rule, it just isn't common in "these here parts." 

Some not so surprising things in this version of the rankings, and some surprising things. 

The no big surpirses: 
No change in the top 3.  None did anything to seperate themselves from the other three last week.
John Carroll and Allegheny dropping.

The moderate surprises:
BW @ 4.  Of course they were swept by Oberlin after the weekend (which are not included in the current rankings), and that will have an impact...
I actually thought JCU would drop out, so the fact they are still in is a little surprise.
Still no W&J or Manchester.
La Roche making a significant step forward.

Marietta's SOS is about to take a pretty decent hit as they get to add lowly Wilmington to the tote.  BW's also takes a hit as they take on Capital. 
Crossover games in the NCAC could have a small negative impact to Wooster and possibly Allegheny. 


Some other tidbits:

Records against regionally ranked opponents:
Berg: (Moravian, Adrian, Wooster, BW, Marietta, La Roche, JCU, Case, Alvernia) 11-6
Marietta: (Case, Wooster, Salem St., Webster, Farmingdale State, Wheaton La Roche, BW, JCU, Berg) 11-5
Case: (Wooster, Marietta, Emory, Rochester, Berg, BW, Allegheny, JCU) 9-7
BW: (Salem St, WEbster, LaRoche, Berg, Mtta, JCU, Wooster, Case, Farmingdale St) 8-6
Wooster: (Marietta, Berg, Salem State, Webster, Birmingham Southern, Case, BW, JCU, Allegheny) 6-8
La Roche: (Susquehenna, BW, Marietta, Heidelberg) 1-5
JCU: (Adrian, Marietta, Berg, BW, Case, Wooster, Allegheny, Moravian) 5-7
Adrian: (Moravian, JCU, Berg) 1-3
Allegheny: (JCU, Oswego, Case, Wooster) 3-6

This list is a best efforts basis, and not thoroughly double and triple checked.

Some very challenging schedules!

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2014, 12:57:31 PM
I posted this on the MIAA board but i will post this here as well. Calvin wins game with Walkoff Steal of home.

http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/blog/article.jsp?content=article&content_id=71991384&partnerId=th_facebook
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 03, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
So if Marietta closes it out and wins the regular season OAC outright, are they the new #1 in the regional rankings?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 03, 2014, 07:54:05 PM
Marietta two games clear atop the OAC.

Shouldn't be much doubt now.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 04, 2014, 01:43:03 AM
OK.  So when are the NCAA selections made?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2014, 02:07:27 AM
Late Sunday the 11th or early Monday the 12th. So, for you, pretty much sometime Monday. :)

I don't think there's much doubt that Case will be in, just not sure where.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 04, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
Quote from: Spence on May 03, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
So if Marietta closes it out and wins the regular season OAC outright, are they the new #1 in the regional rankings?

I'm going to say "it depends". If they drop two games to laroche today, no. If they win two, then I would predict "yes." if they split, I don't know how it shakes out.

Marietta is currently 11-5 against regionally ranked teams and berg is 11-6. A pioneer sweep puts them at 13-5, a split at 12-6, being swept at 11-7.

Not much separation between 12-6 and 11-6 or 11-6 and 11-7 for that matter. Both schools have very strong SOS numbers. There is minimal separation between the two at this point.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 04, 2014, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: Spence on May 03, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
So if Marietta closes it out and wins the regular season OAC outright, are they the new #1 in the regional rankings?

Since you didn't major in math, heres another lesson: 31-9 is greater than 27-11 or even 29-11 against virtually identical strength of schedule. Even your own chart still has Heidelberg #1.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 04, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
Quote from: Spence on May 03, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
So if Marietta closes it out and wins the regular season OAC outright, are they the new #1 in the regional rankings?

I'm going to say "it depends". If they drop two games to laroche today, no. If they win two, then I would predict "yes." if they split, I don't know how it shakes out.

Marietta is currently 11-5 against regionally ranked teams and berg is 11-6. A pioneer sweep puts them at 13-5, a split at 12-6, being swept at 11-7.

Not much separation between 12-6 and 11-6 or 11-6 and 11-7 for that matter. Both schools have very strong SOS numbers. There is minimal separation between the two at this point.

Could be true about La Roche, though not much would surprise me. I don't really care much what the rankings look like because most likely both are going to be in the regional and the regional is going to be at Marietta, but I do think they should be gotten right, when possible. It might matter as far as matchups go, but I kind of doubt it.

Record against common opponents: Heidelberg 20-7, Marietta 22-7. Record in conference play (common opponents AND relatively common conditions): Heidelberg 13-5, Marietta 15-3.

SOS difference is obvious and when you take that into account, the difference in won-lost record becomes much less significant. Both teams have played good schedules, but Marietta has played THE BEST schedule by not a little, and has two more tough games today. After today, the difference between MC's SOS and Heidelberg's will be like the difference between Heide's schedule and like #50. It's a significant difference.

Marietta is 9-1 in its last 10 (7-1 vs. not Wilmington) and Heide is 6-4 (4-4 vs. not Wilmington, which also includes a worthless win over laggard Wittenberg). But the real bottom line is that four games ago, Heidelberg had a 1-game lead and two series against mid-conference teams, and finished two games back of first.

MC is going to have a tall order today with its freshmen going against a La Roche team that has stacked back its pitching, throwing a staff game in a loss to Frostburg. But Brewer has made it very clear that they're going to test themselves against the best competition they can schedule, regardless of the circumstances. His belief is that they'll be better for it when it matters most. Looking at his credentials, it's pretty hard to argue that he's wrong.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 04, 2014, 05:24:12 PM
Records of the 11 teams Marietta has lost to before today is 278-141, a percentage of .663
Records of the 9 teams Heidelberg has lost to is 248-104, a percentage of .704

I think the bad losses to teams under .500 should be taken more into account. Teams with the worst records Berg lost to were 22-16 and 23-15.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2014, 08:28:08 PM
Well I guess since MC's strength of schedule is quite a bit better, the teams they beat must be a LOT better! And in the postseason, you have to beat good teams, which is why the committee values strength of schedule, wins over regionally ranked, etc. Wins over common opponents is of obvious value.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
La Roche gets the split in the nightcap with a great outing by Tyler Ferguson.

Don't envy whoever gets them in the first game of the regional assuming they make it.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 04, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
Game 1 matchups against anyone could be difficult. I'm sure manchester's #1 guy is rock solid. Eddie Nogay from w&j is also quite good. La Roche has some good pitchers.

So many factors go into the seeding. Nowhere in the published "criteria" is the quality of the teams who defeated you. They do look at what has been done in the last 25% of your season.  And if you are going to split hairs between two teams with good resumes against quality competition, that could a factor of differentiation. 8-2 looks a little better than 6-4.

This Thursday when the rankings are released I expect the top three in the Mideast to remain the same.  However it will not be a surprise if the order is different.  The thing which will separate Marietta and berg is what happens in the oac tourney. If one of those two win it, they will likely be the top seed in the region. (if jcu or BW win it, who knows what happens)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2014, 12:59:24 AM
The way Pool C is looking, if JCU or BW wins the tournament, one of Marietta or Heidelberg could be left out. Several upsets already.

You're right, of course, about Nogay and the rest. This may be the best Mideast regional in years, or at least the deepest 6 or 8 teamer (there were years in the 90s where the 4 teamers were ridiculous). I half think teams that get shipped out of it are being done a favor. And we don't know who will be shipped into it.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 05, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
No way this is a six team field.  I just don't see that happening.  Too much quality in this geographic area to ship that many teams away. 

The only team for sure not to be shipped out would be Marietta as they are the host school--if they make it.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 05, 2014, 10:00:28 AM
I'm hoping for a Marietta win in the OAC tournament, but if that doesn't happen I could see this getting messy.

I'd love to see Marietta and Heidelberg both make the Regionals, and HEID get shipped out, so they both have a shot at the World Series.  It would be fun to have 2 OAC teams end up in Wisconsin.  The mideast regional teams have done well in the past when shipped elsewhere (regional title games).
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2014, 10:06:18 AM
I think that would only happen if Case Western is the 2 seed.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 05, 2014, 10:21:13 AM
I think it is reasonable to expect Case to be the 1 or the 2 seed in the regional.  IF Marietta or Berg win, I think the losercould fall behind Case.  If another OAC team wins the tourney, I see Case as the top seed. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2014, 10:27:13 AM
Marietta shouldn't fall behind Case. They beat them 2 out of 3 with none of them at home.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 05, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
OAC Tournament At Marietta :
1 Marietta vs 4 BW
2 Heidelberg vs 3 John Carroll

NCAC Tournament in chillicothe:
Wooster vs. DePauw
Allegheny Vs. Dennsion

HCAC Tournament at Manchester
1Manchester vs. 4Franklin
2Anderson vs. 3 Rose Hulman

MIAA Tournament at Adrian
1 Adrian vs 4 Kalamazoo
2 Calvin vs 3 Hope

PrAC Tournament @ W&J
1 W&J vs. 4 Waynesburg
2 Bethany vs 3 Tomas More

AMCC
#1 La Roche vs Pitt-Bradford/Pitt-Greensburg
#2 Penn State Beherend vs. #3 Mount Aloyscious


Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
Boy a lot of trap doors for the top seeds there.

Manchester, Adrian and W&J all matched up against strong aces.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 06, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Berg falls to #13, Case to #21 and Etta still #23 in latest poll.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 06, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: motorman on May 06, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Berg falls to #13, Case to #21 and Etta still #23 in latest poll.

Thanks. I mean it's the lead item on the front page of the site so I don't know how you could miss it.

People obviously just looking at W-L and nothing else in their voting. Means nothing, really. Dropping Linfield to 3 was ridiculous too. 2 of those were to an NAIA program that could beat many D-I teams.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 06, 2014, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 06, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: motorman on May 06, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Berg falls to #13, Case to #21 and Etta still #23 in latest poll.

Thanks. I mean it's the lead item on the front page of the site so I don't know how you could miss it.

People obviously just looking at W-L and nothing else in their voting. Means nothing, really. Dropping Linfield to 3 was ridiculous too. 2 of those were to an NAIA program that could beat many D-I teams.




We all know how you feel about the polls. Really don't need to hear it ever again.

BTW, in the ABCA poll Berg #11, Case #20, Etta #25
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 06, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Are there rules against post padding here? Unless I missed something, that's a post with absolutely no new content. Complete waste to the board.

You could at least post a link to the poll on the d3baseball.com when you post old news that's available in plenty of places.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 09, 2014, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: motorman on May 06, 2014, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 06, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: motorman on May 06, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Berg falls to #13, Case to #21 and Etta still #23 in latest poll.

Thanks. I mean it's the lead item on the front page of the site so I don't know how you could miss it.

People obviously just looking at W-L and nothing else in their voting. Means nothing, really. Dropping Linfield to 3 was ridiculous too. 2 of those were to an NAIA program that could beat many D-I teams.




We all know how you feel about the polls. Really don't need to hear it ever again.

BTW, in the ABCA poll Berg #11, Case #20, Etta #25

New regional #1 in the only rankings that matter. After today Case might be #2. Wonder how much head to head might matter for #3.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 09, 2014, 10:32:45 PM
Marietta goes 1-2 in OAC tournament, and Heidelberg goes 0-2. I would assume that Marietta is still a lock for a Pool C bid based on this week's regional rankings, but I have my doubts on Heidelberg.

Case may have had the biggest weekend of everyone by not playing. It will be interesting to see how the regional seeds play out, and if anyone gets shipped out to another region. I'm willing to bet that if Heidelberg sneaks in, either them or the OAC pool A winner (JCU or BW) gets shipped.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 09, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
A couple of weeks ago I might have said that would be a break for whoever got shipped, but I really am not feeling it for the whole region right now. Manchester and W&J are in the loser's bracket, Marietta is out, Heidelberg is out. We've certainly seen it before where MC does poorly in the conference tournament then wins the region, though.

Going to the Central and dealing with Webster and Buena Vista or the Midwest and St. Thomas and Concordia doesn't sound much fun.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 10, 2014, 09:19:11 AM
From what I saw the past two days, neither Marietta or berg has the pitching needed to compete in a regional this year. Marietta's top two guys are very good, but they lack depth (especially now with the injury bug). Berg's pitching had a rough weekend to say the least.

Marietta doesn't hit well enough to compensate for pitching deficiencies, either.

The Mideast is wide open. And jcu may just have the goods to deeply into the field provided they win the pool a bid.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 10, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Rose-Hulman punches their ticket with a 6-3 win over Manchester...gains the HCAC pool A bid.

Thomas Moore claims the PrAC pool A bid with a 8-7 win over W&J.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 10, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
Both teams that could go to Whitewater or Quad Cities.

And DePauw is in a final against Wooster and would be another that could easily go (though so could Wooster).
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 10, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
Depauw wins the NCAC. I believe they will be the top candidate to be shipped out.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 10, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
Just about anyone could be except Marietta (obvious); and the AMCC winner. JCU and Case Western I don't think could go to the Central but could go to Midwest.

BW, Thomas More, DePauw, Rose Hulman, Adrian and Heidelberg could go to either.



Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 10, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
So the winners of the HCAC, PrAC, NCAC, and soon to be OAC will all be #3 or #4 seeds from their respective tournaments....wow! Never have seen that before.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 10, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
Yeah me either. When I looked at the teams in the draws though, I expected some top seeds to encounter trouble.

I didn't expect Jason Byers to get knocked around though. He really needs to work on taking the mound ready to dominate from the first pitch. Slow starter all year. Has gotten away with it a few times, against JCU he didn't.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 10, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
Add JCU to the dance...they punch their ticket as OAC champs, winning from the #3 spot.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 10, 2014, 11:26:06 PM
Congrats to coach Thibeault and the Blue Streaks. Hopefully both teams are in a regional either with Marietta at Don Schaly Stadium or elsewhere. Both are good teams.

If BW wins the first game of the tournament that came down to a defensive error, IMO they win the tournament.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2014, 02:02:35 AM
The Marietta regional bracket. Can't call this the Mideast regional anymore.

Hosted by Marietta, Marietta, Ohio         
1. Marietta         
2. Case Western Reserve         
3. Salisbury         
4. Widener         
5. La Roche         
6. John Carroll         
7. Thomas More         
8. Penn State-Berks      

Sorry to see Heidelberg not in it, was looking forward to rooting against them one last time. Now I have to support them because conference unity? Aw crap.

Not glad to see La Roche looming as possible second-round opposition; those guys have played Marietta tough. Am very glad BW isn't the 4 seed though because they are really good.    
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 12, 2014, 06:54:00 AM
Big surprise that they shipped so many teams out of the Mid East. DePauw and Rose Hulman to the Central, Heidelberg to the Mid West and Baldwin Wallace to the Mid Atlantic.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 12, 2014, 08:20:40 AM
Very surprised that 4 teams from the OAC made the NCAA tournament.  And like Motorman said, it is a surprise that so many were "shipped out."  However I do not view this as a bad thing.  I think sending BW and Berg to other regions is healthy for the league and makes for a more diverse tourney.  I know that the families of the players from those two teams would prefer not to travel that far (especially to wisconsin), but how many more times do Marietta-Berg-JCU-BW want to see each other? 

This should be a good quality tournament. 

Best of luck to all of the teams from the mid-east region, wherever they are headed.

A Quick look at a couple of the teams with whom I'm not famaliar....

Penn State Berks, must have got hot at the right time.  They are 19-19.  They have a couple of decent arms, and some decent bats, but don't really strike fear into the hearts of anyone. 

Salisbury looks to be a very strong team.  They have two quality starters and can swing it a little.

Widener looks to have a strong pitching staff.  Nothing particularly impressive about their hitting prowess

Should be an interestng field.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
What they did I think favors Heidelberg and Marietta, not that it was done on purpose. Berg obviously would have been a 3 seed in Marietta and instead they're a 2 in Whitewater where I think naturally St. Thomas would have gone if they had not changed regions and knocked Buena Vista down to a 3. Moline might be the toughest regional ever staged at a Central region site.

I like the creativity and attempts to balance out the regions the committee made. Mileage can vary on whether they did it (I think they did pretty well) but to me it reflects what the idea was in changing the naming of the regionals to reflect location only...to "deregionalize" the regionals. And they've finally done it.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2014, 11:41:58 AM
If they are going to de-regionalize the regionals then they should seed them nationally IMO like D1. The current logic is lacking, but play within it and move on.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 12, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
Game times for the Marietta regional, DAY ONE....with rain in the forecast.  ughhh  :-\

GAME 1:  #5 La Roche vs #4 Widener (9:30am)

GAME 2:  #8 Penn State-Berks vs #1 Marietta (1:00pm)

GAME 3:  #6 John Carroll vs #3 Salisbury (4:30pm)

GAME 4:  #7 Thomas More vs #2 Case Western (8:00pm)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 12, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: mideastfan2 on May 12, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
with rain in the forecast.  ughhh  :-\

And Thursday and Friday.....
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 12, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
What's scheduled if Mother Nature cooperates:

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=14mideastregional
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 09:01:05 PM
CWRU regional preview:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/files/cwru_notes_packet1.pdf
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2014, 09:41:01 PM
The way the forecast looks, they'll be lucky to get the first round played in the first two days.

Is it a hard rule that you can't play 3 games in a day? I'm pretty sure it's always been avoided in the past but the way the handbook reads, it sounds like it's more like "avoid if at all possible". It seems like it could come to that not only here, but at one or two other regionals.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 14, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
Today just might happen.

Game 1: La Roche vs. WIdener.  I know nothing about Widener so I can't really comment.  La Roche has hit the ball and they have a pretty good staff.  Widener better be on their game today, as the Red Hawks can play.  The RedHawk shortstop is one of the better defensive short stops I've seen this year.  He isn't any bigger than a minute, but he has a + arm and great range to get to balls.  He can hit it a little too. 

Game 2:  For all I know about Widener, subtract 1 from that to get what I know about Penn State-Berks.  I've said before, I'll take Herstine/Byers against anyone, and that is most likely who we see today.  Can the Pioneer bats get it going?  I certainly hope so.

Game 3:  JCU vs. Salisbury.  From looking at the Gulls numbers they seem to have two quality arms, which JCU will see.  JCU got off the bus last weekend smashing everything they saw, and never quit all weekend.  If that continues, they could be in serious contention.

Game 4:  Case vs. Thomas More.  Case's Ace is probably too much for almost anyone in the tournament.  They can swing it a lot too.  Thomas More has a tall task in front of them.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 14, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
It is 50 degrees and partly sunny here in Whitewater WI 3 hours before first pitch of the day. I hope the weather cooperrates everywhere, would be horrible to have World Series berths come down to where you were seeded.

Much as I dislike Marietta when it comes to league play, I do respect them and hope everybody from the OAC represents well.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 10:23:35 AM
Yeah the forecast improved for early in the day, not sure they're going to get a full day in though. No idea what LaRoche was thinking going with their #2...actually, that's a lie I know just what they were thinking, but they appear to be paying for it right now.

Funny what you say about taking Herstine/Byers over anyone...keep that thought this week as things develop.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 14, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
EttaFan, what I know about Widener comes from Berg playing them in Florida in 2011 and 2012. We beat them in 2012 and gave away the game in 2011. Pitching wasn't anything to write home about.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
They've been something to write home about so far today. Up 6-1 B7. Lentz still pitching for LaRoche.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
Widener methodically takes apart LaRoche 8-1 in a quick 2 hour game.  They looked solid offensively, and their pitcher was really steady, getting 3 K's and 17 fly-outs on 104 pitches.

Well done guys on the quick game to keep the schedule moving along  :)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
Hopefully they start the Marietta game early. Looks like chances for weather to be a factor get larger after 6 p.m. or so.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
It looks like Berks is basically conceiving the loss in this one by starting their #4/#5 pitcher.  Marietta scores 3 in the first inning, easily, and gets 2 more thrown out going home.

The real question now becomes, does Herstine go as far as he can so other arms are saved?  or do they get him out of there after 3 or 4, so he can come back easier, especially with the looming rain the next few days?  Tough call.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 02:32:14 PM
Herstine was at 72 pitches when they blew it open with 4 in the 5th. That might have been a few too many for pulling him to be much good.

No idea what the heck Berks was doing here. They actually have a pitcher with pretty good numbers.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 02:47:59 PM
^^^^  We have always thrown our best, when they are available.  Many teams don't follow that same philosophy, especially the last few years.  They seem to hold their top guy(s) for a round 2 or 3 game, and just hope they can get there.  It may have something to do with pitching depth, but who knows.

I always believe you should throw your "guy" to try to give yourself the best chance to win.  Wins are tough to come by in a regional/world series, so taking a chance on a middle of the rotation guy isn't a courtesy I'd like to take.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
Oh I know some teams do it successfully. The NJAC schools I almost expect to. But I'm sure you looked at their stats...how could they possibly think anyone else had a chance?

LaRoche did the same thing and got bit, though they didn't score enough either. Glad not to be looking at another Tyler Ferguson outing from them.

I do think under slightly different circumstances, Brewer might have put Herstine on the shelf early. But as it is, I'm not surprised he went 7.

Rain would be just fine now.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 03:33:36 PM
a very business-like win for the Etta Express, 14-2 over Berks.  Great to see Herstine throw well, and even better to see Winpigler continue to be hot at the plate, and Gracia turn it on today with the bat.  Having him in the line-up obviously helps defensively, but if can continue to get on base, it could be the spark that the offense needs to navigate through this Regional.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Salisbury hangs on by their finger nails 9-8 over JCU. Gutsy call with the squeeze in the 9th, but as a coach I try to explain to people when I'm second guessed that I know my personnel better than anyone....I trust JCU made the right call with the right guy.

OAC - 2-2 after day one of regionals
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
Definitely a good bunter with a good runner, but weren't the bases loaded? I didn't see the play to see where the 3B was or anything though.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2014, 08:53:03 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 14, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
Definitely a good bunter with a good runner, but weren't the bases loaded? I didn't see the play to see where the 3B was or anything though.

Salisbury was ready for it and corners crashed when the runner broke from 3rd. Decent bunt, but the runner didn't have a great jump so he didn't beat the play home.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 15, 2014, 07:54:34 AM
"Squeeze"is a generous description of that play.  First pitch of the at bat.  Really bad jump by the runner on third.  And then the bunt was basically slugged right at the first baseman. 

They actually played the Case vs. Thomas More game last night, started at 10:30, which was past my bed time. 

Case won 6-2. 

Today is not looking good for baseball.  Mother nature will advance in the winners bracket for today.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 15, 2014, 08:11:56 AM
Looks like they could in theory get a window to play a game this morning, but not sure how far beyond that they'd get.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 15, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
I think their "window" is going to be spent trying to get the field playable, unfortunatley. We had a fair amout of rain over night. 

Schedule update:

PSU Bergs vs. La Roche at 4:00 Thurs
JCU vs. TMC at 7:30 Thurs
Marietta vs. Widener at 9:30 AM Friday
Case vs. Salisbury at 1:00 PM Friday
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 15, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
Doesn't look like it would have been enough to get a whole game in...second line caught up with the first.

They were really smart to get the last game in last night. Normally I don't know if you would do that knowing that the losing team is going to have to come back and play, but I think they figured on rain and so they were ok with finishing late.

As a result, they can get two teams on buses today if the weather clears. It's a lot better than I expected a couple of days ago from the forecast.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 15, 2014, 01:23:03 PM
THe rain from this last "system" line, whatever you want to call it has been pretty heavy.  The outfield will be an absolute mess especially after they dump the tarp.  No rolls to the fence, and bring an extra bucket of baseballs!

Now schedule adjusted again:  6:00 and 9:30 PM for the two elimination games.  Still raining at a pretty good rate at 2:15. 

Rose Hulman giving top ranked Webster all they want...Tied at 2 in the 11th.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 15, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Wow, 0 strikeouts by Berg pitching in the 2nd game of a regional facing elimination. Just wow.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 15, 2014, 04:39:31 PM
Rose Hulman eliminates Webster in 11 innnings: 3-2.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 15, 2014, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 15, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Wow, 0 strikeouts by Berg pitching in the 2nd game of a regional facing elimination. Just wow.

You had to be there to believe it. St Norbert isn't that great a hitting team, had an ump who must have been called out on strikes at 10 years old and vowed he would never call a batter out on strikes. Norbert had at least 7 full counts with several 2 strike foul balls and not 1 called third strike. I wouldn't swing either if I knew he wouldn't call strike 3. Not even the "best pitcher" on Heidelberg's team got a called strike 3. Berg only struck out twice, once on a swing at a pitch in the other batter's box. Adam Manner did a great job in relief, would have been a different game if he starts and pitches like that.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 15, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
Yeah seems like Manner did well until he maybe ran out of gas a bit.

Hendrixson starting seemed like a good idea, but I just wonder if he had thrown his season before the regional...a lot to ask of a FR to pitch that much in tight spots.

Berg is still young for the most part, but being young and improving are two different things. They need to find some guys to take big steps forward. BW, MC and Northern have most of their key guys back too, IIRC.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 16, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
JCU down 3-0 to TMC after 4 innings.  Come on Streaks plate a couple and put the pressure on!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 16, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
I agree as well, Come on Streaks.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 16, 2014, 02:18:48 PM
John Carroll now up 4-3 over Thomas More.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/marietta/baseball/

Bottom 5
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 16, 2014, 03:12:34 PM
JCU could easily be one of those teams that battles their way through the loser's bracket using their strong offense.  They will need to find some pitching to keep the opposing offenses idle though.

bottom 8th
JCU - 7
TMC - 3
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 16, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
JCU's pen is trying to make this interesting.  Rosinski gave up 4 singles in the 9th before being pulled with the bases loaded up 7-4.  Oddly all 4 batters were down in the count when they singled including a couple at 0-2.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 16, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
Ouch...tough loss for JCU.  9-8 in 12 innings.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2014, 12:59:45 AM
The rain today kind of messed up my dream scenario for the regional. Was thinking MC could go Herstine/Byers/Herstine/Byers and win the tournament. :)

Would be hard to bring back the #2 starter on Monday now.

Might see Herstine in relief tomorrow though if it's tight. You'd *like* to not use your ace on Monday, though obviously you do what you must to win the tournament and worry about Appleton later.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
Byers struggles early again and Widener's knuckleballing ace makes it stand up. 5-4 Pride, good ballgame.

Not sure what accounts for the early inning struggles. Happens with some MLB guys, even. One of those weird things about baseball I guess.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 17, 2014, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 17, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
Byers struggles early again and Widener's knuckleballing ace makes it stand up. 5-4 Pride, good ballgame.

Not sure what accounts for the early inning struggles. Happens with some MLB guys, even. One of those weird things about baseball I guess.

And too many guys left on base in the middle innings. The failed sac bunt with no outs was a killer, and bunting Winpigler in the 8th was iffy. I probably would've tried to steal Hanahan before taking the bat out of the hands of the hottest hitter. Oh well, Brewer has 3 rings, not me..haha

Gonna need to get the sticks going to win 5 in a row!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2014, 12:30:36 PM
We've been such rubbish at stealing bases this season, and I'm guessing the field was not in great condition (didn't sound like). Forget who but someone got thrown out stealing on the knuckler.

Hit and run maybe, figuring you're probably going to be early anyway? Even though he was throwing a knuckler it didn't seem like contact was a real problem.

Like you said though, Brewer has the rings, and he almost always maximizes the talent he has in the postseason and I think he's done a great job this year.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 17, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
Marietta and LaRoche eliminated today. Schedule still remaining...

Game 11 - Widener (2-0) vs Salisbury (2-0)
Game 12 - Thomas More (2-1) vs Case Western (2-1)
Game 13 - winner game 12 (3-1) vs loser game 11 (2-1)

Game 14 - winner game 11 (3-0) vs winner game 13 (?-1)
Game 15 - same as game 14, if necessary
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 18, 2014, 03:59:31 AM
OK, so we've stayed in it longer than H-berg, Marietta, and JCU.

Good.

Let's keep it going!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 18, 2014, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 18, 2014, 03:59:31 AM
OK, so we've stayed in it longer than H-berg, Marietta, and JCU.

Good.

Let's keep it going!

I would hope you aren't happy until you break through and make the World Series. After reaching a regional title game last season,  anything short of that this season should upset you. Being eliminated later in a regional tourney than some other programs doesn't get you a flag to fly over your ballpark. Good luck today, and hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2014, 03:23:51 PM
Case is thumping TMC so far.  Jumped out with 5 in the 1st and lead 11-1 in the 4th. 

Not Mideast regional, but BW gets going in about 20 minutes.  Good luck Jackets!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: motorman on May 18, 2014, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: mideastfan2 on May 18, 2014, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 18, 2014, 03:59:31 AM
OK, so we've stayed in it longer than H-berg, Marietta, and JCU.

Good.

Let's keep it going!

I would hope you aren't happy until you break through and make the World Series. After reaching a regional title game last season,  anything short of that this season should upset you. Being eliminated later in a regional tourney than some other programs doesn't get you a flag to fly over your ballpark. Good luck today, and hopefully tomorrow.

While I agree with the sentiment of not celebrating too soon, why can't you Marietta people ever let someone enjoy what they have accomplished so far this season without throwing the "so what, you haven't won a championship before" comment out there? It is ancient history that doesn't apply to this year at all.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2014, 04:20:34 PM
Waite came back today after going 9 on Thursday and it didn't go well.  He's gone in the 2nd with BW down 5-1.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2014, 05:17:53 PM
Durbin is keeping BW in this game.  He's retired 14 straight in relief.  BW trails 6-2 in the 6th.  They need to put some pressure on the Wesleyan defense.  Way too many pop ups/fly balls from what I've seen.  Wesleyan is obviously thin on pitching playing their 4th game in 36 hours so if BW can chip away at this and get into the pen they have a solid chance. 
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2014, 05:39:14 PM
There ya go, Jackets.  They chase the starter and then plate 4 runs in the 6th forcing Wesleyan to go to a 2nd reliever still in the 6th.  It looked like Wesleyan would escape unscathed, but an E6 scored a run with 2 outs.  Then the flood gates opened.  Zimmerman hammered a RBI triple over the RF's head, Chontos smoked a RBI single to right and then Handel ripped a line drive 2B down the RF line to score the tying run.  The middle of their order just flexed their muscles big time that inning.  That looked like BP.   
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 18, 2014, 08:45:52 PM
CWRU stays alive defeating Weidner 3-2, in 13.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 18, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
keep it up Spartans
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 18, 2014, 08:51:44 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 18, 2014, 08:45:52 PM
CWRU stays alive defeating Weidner 3-2, in 13.

Great job Case, way to battle and extend the season! Good luck tomorrow, keep that regional bid in our region!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 18, 2014, 09:39:15 PM
As I said before.

Let's keep it going, as we have thus far!!!

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on May 19, 2014, 11:42:37 AM
Five errors spoil Fortunato's four-hitter.  Despite ten hits, Spartans eliminated by Salisbury, 2-3.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2014, 03:32:56 PM
Congrats to Salisbury. No idea how the game went but the whole regional was pretty balanced and competitive.

Good luck to Baldwin-Wallace in Appleton. It's a step up in class but I think they'll be ready for it.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2014, 12:45:37 AM
Case baseball player drafted in 25th round by Blue Jays.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub)
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on July 21, 2014, 06:13:10 PM
Winemiller is returning to CWRU for his senior year.

http://athletics.case.edu/landing/index
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2015
Post by: ADL70 on March 11, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
Spartan Neal Krentz threw a seven inning no hitter beating Rochester 12-0 (game shortened by tournament run-rule).  Although he walked five, he struck out eight.

The first no-hitter in UAA tournament history.  Unannounced if a pitcher ever threw seven or more hitless innings previously.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 13, 2015, 10:18:39 AM
OK, after yesterday's win, we're now tied for first.  Let's hope that we can win it!

If only Chicago were a part of this, and could make us an automatic bid league.  We're certainly a solid Division III baseball conference, with two teams currently ranked in the Top 15.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2015
Post by: ADL70 on March 31, 2015, 03:40:25 PM
After a mediocre UAAs, when spotty fielding and below par hitting led to a 4-4 record and a 1-3 weekend vs SJF and Mt Aloysius, Spartans have taken three in a row.  Beat Otterbein 5-2 at home and swept a DH at Denison 9-7, 8-5.  The second game featured a snow delay.

H and H with BW today and tomorrow.

Today's streaming video:

https://www.boxcast.com/show/#/baseball-vs-bw
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 31, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
I saw Winemiller has been playing first, but has not closed a lot. I hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 06, 2015, 01:43:20 PM
Not sure what's up with Winemiller.  He pitched a 1-2-3, 1K 8th inning in Fla in a non-save situation.  Then he didn't pitch again until two weeks later when he again pitched in the 8th, but he only retired two gave up a hit and a run and walked three.

CWRU took two from Allegheny on Saturday to get its record above .500, but with a team BA of only .287 the post season looks pretty remote.  They will need to win out or only lose a few and those to RR opponents to have any chance.  Taking two from JCU today would be a good start.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 06, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Good luck. I wish we would have scheduled Case this year. Looks likenour game against ODU is unlikely. Maybe case can be a make up game.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 06, 2015, 07:49:18 PM
CWRU takes two from JCU, 11-10 and 6-5 (6 innings, darkness)

The bullpen allowed 7 runs in the last two innings in game one.

Scheduled to host 'berg tomorrow, but weather not promising.

Correction: only one win game 2 suspended to be completed April 28 at CWRU.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 10, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Wash and Jeff to host the Mid-east regional.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2015/03/wandj-to-host-regional

Not sure if this has been posted in it has everyone has my apology.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 11, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 10, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Wash and Jeff to host the Mid-east regional.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2015/03/wandj-to-host-regional

Not sure if this has been posted in it has everyone has my apology.
2015 regional sites:

New England: Eastern Baseball Complex, hosted by ECSU

New York: Falcon Park, hosted by Cortland State.

Central: Waterloo Riverfront Stadium, hosted by Wartburg.

Mideast: Ross Memorial Park. hosted by Washington and Jefferson.

Midwest: Copeland Park, hosted by UW-La Crosse.

West: Irwin Field hosted by Texas-Tyler

Regional sites for the Mid-Atlantic and South regions have not been determined.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2015
Post by: ADL70 on April 16, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
Spartans get the bats going in Tiffin and beat Berg 14-6.  Spartans are 3-0 in last three meetings with Top25 teams.

After four games with Wittenberg this weekend, Spartans host #23 Ohio Northern at Progressive Field on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 16, 2015, 07:46:36 PM
If we beat ONU, then is it still conceivable that we could make the post-season?  At that point, we'll have won several straight including THREE STRAIGHT against ranked teams.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 16, 2015, 09:07:44 PM
Actually that would make four straight (JCU, Wooster, Berg, and ONU).

We'll know what the chances are once the first Regional Rankings come out next Thursday.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2015
Post by: ADL70 on April 18, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
Split with Witt today doesn't help.

Tomorrow looks like a washout.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 18, 2015, 11:35:08 PM
Whoa, that is not a good result. But it is just one game.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2015
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2015, 04:43:48 PM
CWRU gets its fourth straight win over a Top25 opponent (although JCU just slipped out of the Top25), beating ONU 3-2.

Senior Kevin Johnstone went the distance on senior day allowing four hits, 3 BB, and 6 Ks.

Spartans currently 16th best SoS and only four teams with better SoS have a higher W-L%.

DH at Otterbein (21-8) tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 22, 2015, 10:00:16 AM
The regional rankings should be out soon. Anybody have guesses who will be ranked?
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 22, 2015, 12:30:19 PM
By SoS Rank with W% (Top15)

10   BW                .733
14   CWRU            .643
50   JCU                .677
92   W&J                .654
109  Adrian            .774
113 Ohio Northern  .750
135 Otterbein         .724
151 Heidelberg       .806
169 Ohio Wesleyan .692
188 Thomas More   .759
194 Thiel               .719
215 Kalamazoo      .633
217 Wooster          .833
223 Earlham          .690
263 Behrend          .692

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Pops33 on April 22, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
My guess on the rankings will be:

1 or 2 Heidelberg 25-6
1 or 2 Wooster 25-5

Whoever wins today's game between Berg and Wooster will be 1, the other will be 2. 

3.  Baldwin Wallace 22-8 (the national rankings have them higher than ONU)
4.  Ohio Northern 24-8
5.  Adrian 24-8
6.  Thomas More 22-7
7.  Otterbein 21-8
8.  Ohio Wesleyan 20-8

Other teams with strong consideration, in no particular order,  would be Earlham 22-9, John Carroll, 24-10, CWRU 18-10, Thiel 23-9.  I don't think that OWU has been getting any respect in the polls even though they have had a very good season.  Marietta has a very tough schedule, but unless they win out, they will end up with around 14 losses or more.  CWRU is definitely making a run, but they have a tough end of the schedule as well and they will need to win at least 8 of their last 10 games to even be considered for post season play.  There are a lot of games left between the above teams.  It will be a fun couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 22, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
Well fortunately the National rankings that this wonderful site puts out does not relate directly to regional rankings, I am hoping the regional commitee has a better view of OWU than the poll voters.
Title: Re: Mid-East Region 2014
Post by: ADL70 on April 22, 2015, 11:44:48 PM
Spartan's chances got a little slimmer, splitting with Otterbein today.

Lost the opener 7-8, but won the nightcap 7-5. 

Some interesting pitching moves today.  Arms that hadn't been used in quite a while saw action.  This perhaps owing to eleven games in nine days counting back from yesterday.