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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Agree with Sager about the camera shot that showed the foul. It was coming from midcourt, to be detailed (sorry, producer/director in me) and really showed that foul well. Again, they could have called on Roach or the help defense.

What was so tough with that situation was that Howell wasn't headed to the basket. Leave him alone and make him throw up a prayer (which is why I felt he wasn't as great as others thought he was; he was okay and has been okay all season). A foul there is two shots no matter what happens. They were in the double-bonus. I understand the pressure of the moment, but they got too aggressive with him. If he hits an off the wall, off balance shot there... god bless him.
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deiscanton

#11641
The full game replay from last night is currently available on-demand on the Whitworth streaming service, but I do not know how long it will remain available.  The first meeting between Whitman and Whitworth in Walla Walla got immediately password protected after the game on Whitman's service.   I watched the final three minutes of last night's game this afternoon.  I thank Whitworth for at least allowing a full game replay to be made available on-demand today for those people who could not stay up to watch it live last night.

Update-- the full game on-demand replay of Tuesday night's game is no longer available as of early Thursday morning.  Glad I stayed up to watch it live.

gordonmann

NESCAC:

For what it's worth, I had the same reaction you did when I saw it live. It looked like a bailout call on a terrible shot decision. But I guess the replay shows a better angle of what happened. I didn't see Whitworth's coaching staff explode, which might've been telling. The players were clearly upset with one starting to trail the refs off the court to the locker room before he was restrained by a teammate but who knows what the genesis for that was.

BluesBrother

Agreed that Howell put himself in a bad spot in that last play and got bailed out by Whitworth. But I think the fact that he hit a similar shot a minute earlier (a better shot, but similar) played into Whitworth's over aggressiveness that led to the foul. Regardless, stepping up and burying two free throws in that atmosphere is what I call unfazed.

Butler's game has some big flaws, but the number of incredible plays he makes defensively and his ability to penetrate and get high percentage shots, not to mention his offensive rebounding adds a ton of value. He's in the perfect system for his game.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Whitman22-0won at #4 Whitworth, 100-99; 02/10 at George Fox
#2596Washington U.18-202/09 at Brandeis; 02/11 at New York University
#3576Wittenberg22-0def. Wabash, 84-72; 02/10 at Hiram
#4523Whitworth19-3LOST to #1 Whitman, 99-100; 02/09 at George Fox
#5521Middlebury19-3won at SUNY-Canton, 79-57; 02/09 at #15 Hamilton; 02/10 at Amherst
#6465St. John's20-2won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 79-46; def. Carleton, 78-57; 02/10 vs. Augsburg
#7461York (Pa.)19-202/08 at Penn State-Harrisburg; 02/10 vs. Salisbury
#8414Williams18-402/09 at Amherst; 02/10 at #15 Hamilton
#9376UW-Platteville19-3def. #18 UW-Stevens Point, 56-47; 02/10 at UW-Eau Claire
#10363Eastern Connecticut19-202/08 vs. T#39 Keene State; 02/10 at Mass-Dartmouth
#11358Swarthmore19-3won at Ursinus, 84-62; 02/10 at Johns Hopkins
#12319MIT18-302/08 at Coast Guard; 02/10 at Springfield
#13269Emory16-402/09 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/11 at Case Western Reserve
#14264Augustana17-5won at North Central (Ill.), 71-65; 02/10 at Millikin
#15247Hamilton19-202/09 vs. #5 Middlebury; 02/10 vs. #8 Williams
#16240Lycoming19-302/10 at Stevenson
#17231Illinois Wesleyan16-5LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 95-107; 02/10 vs. Carroll
#18210UW-Stevens Point15-7LOST at #9 UW-Platteville, 47-56; 02/10 vs. UW-Stout
#19196UW-Whitewater16-6LOST to #21 UW-Oshkosh, 67-69; 02/10 at #32 UW-River Falls
#20150Franklin and Marshall18-4LOST at Johns Hopkins, 86-89 2OT; 02/10 vs. Washington College
#21125UW-Oshkosh17-5won at #19 UW-Whitewater, 69-67; 02/10 vs. UW-La Crosse
#22116Wesleyan17-5def. Amherst, 71-57; 02/09 at Colby; 02/10 at Bowdoin
#2377Wooster18-4won at Allegheny, 72-59; 02/10 vs. T#33 Ohio Wesleyan
#2463John Carroll18-4def. Baldwin Wallace, 77-70; 02/10 at #38 Ohio Northern
#2557Hobart18-302/09 at Skidmore; 02/10 at Bard


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2640Salem State20-3won at Bridgewater State, 88-73; 02/10 at Westfield State
#2737Plattsburgh State17-402/10 vs. SUNY Potsdam
#2836Cabrini18-302/08 at Keystone; 02/10 vs. Rosemont
T#2935Emory and Henry18-4LOST to Guilford, 64-79; 02/10 at Randolph-Macon
T#2935Marietta17-5won at Capital, 79-74; 02/10 vs. Wilmington
#3133Nichols18-302/08 at Salve Regina; 02/10 at Western New England
#3214UW-River Falls14-7LOST at UW-Stout, 81-82; 02/10 vs. #19 UW-Whitewater
T#3310Juniata18-302/08 at Elizabethtown; 02/10 at Moravian
T#3310Ohio Wesleyan15-7LOST at Hiram, 66-72; 02/10 at #23 Wooster
T#3310St. Olaf17-5won at Augsburg, 68-67; 02/10 vs. St. Thomas
#369Ramapo17-502/08 at Rutgers-Camden; 02/10 at #37 New Jersey City
#376New Jersey City18-5won at Montclair State, 84-76; 02/10 vs. #36 Ramapo
#384Ohio Northern16-6won at Heidelberg, 74-67; 02/10 vs. #24 John Carroll
T#391Keene State15-602/08 at #10 Eastern Connecticut; 02/10 vs. Western Connecticut
T#391Lehman18-402/08 at Medgar Evers; 02/10 vs. Staten Island
T#391Maryville (Tenn.)16-5def. Brevard, 80-69; 02/10 at Berea
T#391Sul Ross State16-502/08 at Hardin-Simmons; 02/10 at McMurry

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magicman

Dave or Gordon or anyone,

Where is the DIII Final Four being held this year? Salem again or a new site?

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smedindy

Quote from: irapthor on February 06, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Well, there's a couple of things:

1. SOS isn't a very good measure of strength of schedule, despite the name.
2. It's easy to say "Play Somebody" - some schools cannot due to travel restrictions, number of conference games, or no one will play them. It takes two.

In the case of our program, I know our head coach makes hundreds of phone calls every year just to schedule seven non-conference games. There are a number of current Top 25 teams, past and present, who won't play us. Particularly in the Eastern portion of the country, if you really want to play someone there are ample opportunities to do so.

In the end, we made it work and our strength of schedule is among the highest in the country because our coach believes in playing the hardest non-conference schedule we can afford to. That will help come NCAA Tournament time.

But as a voter for 15+ years, I absolutely scrutinize who you play. That's my responsibility. I'm not just throwing schools on the wall and throwing darts. You've got to earn it.

I guess my point is that not every school has that luxury or opportunity. So the 'play somebody' cry isn't always feasible

Mr. Ypsi

Two top 8 teams fell this evening but I'm not sure either can really be considered an upset, except perhaps by the margins of defeat.  #5 Middlebury fell AT #15 Hamilton by a 102-83 margin.  #8 Williams fell AT unranked Amherst by a 72-57 margin - considering Amherst's recent bball history, how young the Williams team is, and the intensity of the rivalry (Hope/Calvin is the only D3 rivalry that I'm pretty sure is even more intense), is this even an upset?

irapthor

Quote from: smedindy on February 09, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: irapthor on February 06, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Well, there's a couple of things:

1. SOS isn't a very good measure of strength of schedule, despite the name.
2. It's easy to say "Play Somebody" - some schools cannot due to travel restrictions, number of conference games, or no one will play them. It takes two.

In the case of our program, I know our head coach makes hundreds of phone calls every year just to schedule seven non-conference games. There are a number of current Top 25 teams, past and present, who won't play us. Particularly in the Eastern portion of the country, if you really want to play someone there are ample opportunities to do so.

In the end, we made it work and our strength of schedule is among the highest in the country because our coach believes in playing the hardest non-conference schedule we can afford to. That will help come NCAA Tournament time.

But as a voter for 15+ years, I absolutely scrutinize who you play. That's my responsibility. I'm not just throwing schools on the wall and throwing darts. You've got to earn it.

I guess my point is that not every school has that luxury or opportunity. So the 'play somebody' cry isn't always feasible

Oh, there are certainly exceptions. And I'm sure many of us voters study the data and if teams have similar records, more often than not, the nod is going to go to the team with the better resume. There are some portions of the country where it's very tough to travel to face good competition. There are other areas where you can drive 2 hours in any direction and have more than a hundred schools to choose from.
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Smitty Oom

A lot of red about to show up on Darryl's "How they fared" from this saturday...

#3 Wittenberg, #7 York, #5 Middlebury, #15 Hamilton, #12 MIT and #10 Eastern CT have all lost already today.

Plus #11 Swarthmore and Johns Hopkins (not receiving votes, but are having a very solid year and in pool C consideration) are in Double OT currently.

Not to mention quite a few top 25 teams have yet to tip off today!

John Gleich

Add #19 Whitewater to that list.

River Falls said if we can't be ranked, you can't be either.

RF wins 76-66 over WW
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Wait... what?! Who won? Hold on, who lost?!

How did... but they... so... wow... okay.

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