Quote from: FisherFaithful03 on October 21, 2023, 05:21:43 PM
Several reasons:
Administration not supporting the needs of the program.
Can't recruit like they used to, they seem hell bent on recruiting out of state kids while any D3 talent from WNY goes elsewhere.
Coaching staff out of touch with newer offensive & defensive trends that are prevalent in college football.
Newer conference competition with easier academic requirements for admission.
With the lack of talent they want to run basic offenses & defenses and are just getting out played, out muscled and out classed in terms of the level of player on the field.
Im not sure about academic requirements-I think it is more about packaging. Its also about coaching.
Sure- I rambled on here about admin support back in the old days- how Doc Bain and Doc K backed the program- but with the other programs thriving - is it really a lack of support? I think the first look is at the Football program itself. It has failed to evolve and allowed other conference foes to surpass them in a short time. You cant tell me that Blaise is going after a "different" player at UU. Simply put Fisher does not recruit well in their own back yard or even the thruway.
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Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
November 01, 2023, 03:08:55 PM #2
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 08, 2023, 08:55:49 AMQuote from: CNU85 on September 07, 2023, 04:01:49 PMQuote from: fisheralum91 on September 07, 2023, 10:50:52 AM
As a parent of 4 you have to look into EVERYTHING when it comes to education.
Sticker price, Grad rates, placement rates etc.
It always drove me nuts when fellow parents would rip on cost of private Higher Ed and applaud state edus
One word for any parents out there looking-
If everything is equal- look for the hidden fees and conditions of "free tuition"
Excelsior is amazing- but holy smoke read the fine print!
So very true. I have 2 adult children and there are so many factors involved. And there is no such thing as apples to apples comparison. It's a fruit salad. Apples to oranges to grapes to pineapple to cherries etc....drives you nuts. And it isn't always about money. You want your kid to be in a place where there is a fit and they can become successful (by whatever definition they use to define success).
My son decided on a technical college and has a degree in Network Security. My daughter started at JMU and transferred to CNU after one semester. Long story but she couldn't chase her dream while at JMU. She graduated Magna Cum Laude with a degree in Economics and became a professional dancer. She's old (32) and now choreographs and teaches. I like to ask her how it feels to be "washed up" at 32!!!
Both kids had students loans that, fortunately, were paid off quickly. I am so glad that part of life is behind me. Best of luck to you and your kids!
Cheers!
Cheers to you as well.
2 in currently Oneonta State and St. Bonaventure U
Polar opposite colleges --perfect fits for the kids.
Now to get the rest of thr crew out of the house and Mrs 91 and I can have some quiet! :-)
#3
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 07, 2023, 10:50:52 AM
As a parent of 4 you have to look into EVERYTHING when it comes to education.
Sticker price, Grad rates, placement rates etc.
It always drove me nuts when fellow parents would rip on cost of private Higher Ed and applaud state edus
One word for any parents out there looking-
If everything is equal- look for the hidden fees and conditions of "free tuition"
Excelsior is amazing- but holy smoke read the fine print!
Sticker price, Grad rates, placement rates etc.
It always drove me nuts when fellow parents would rip on cost of private Higher Ed and applaud state edus
One word for any parents out there looking-
If everything is equal- look for the hidden fees and conditions of "free tuition"
Excelsior is amazing- but holy smoke read the fine print!
#4
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 06, 2023, 02:04:59 PM
"Support"
I get that these schools are all competing for the same kids essentially.
Sure there are some institutions that have a traditionally higher tuition, but in the grand scheme the kids are the same bunch.
Some may think that state schools have a tuition advantage- not so fast my friend- I have 2 in college now- one at a SUNY - one at a private.
SUNY has cost us MORE than the private even though tuition is in the very high 30s!
I get that these schools are all competing for the same kids essentially.
Sure there are some institutions that have a traditionally higher tuition, but in the grand scheme the kids are the same bunch.
Some may think that state schools have a tuition advantage- not so fast my friend- I have 2 in college now- one at a SUNY - one at a private.
SUNY has cost us MORE than the private even though tuition is in the very high 30s!
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Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 06, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
I think this speaks volumes.
For Fisher I can speak to Dr K and Doc Bain who openly backed not only the football program but athletics as a whole.
I do not know Dr. Rooney so I cant speak to the current admin, but there was a different vibe in the late 90s and early 2000s on the Fisher Campus.
Prior to that time the admin had an openly adversarial relationship with the AD as well as the athletics as a whole especially from 87-91.
Cost is an issue as well.
I wanted FA91 son to be a legacy- but when scholarship money was compared- Fisher was literally 20k higher per year after the scholarship moneys!
For Fisher I can speak to Dr K and Doc Bain who openly backed not only the football program but athletics as a whole.
I do not know Dr. Rooney so I cant speak to the current admin, but there was a different vibe in the late 90s and early 2000s on the Fisher Campus.
Prior to that time the admin had an openly adversarial relationship with the AD as well as the athletics as a whole especially from 87-91.
Cost is an issue as well.
I wanted FA91 son to be a legacy- but when scholarship money was compared- Fisher was literally 20k higher per year after the scholarship moneys!
#6
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 05, 2023, 08:51:59 AM
Boys- Its a sad state of affairs for the Fisher program these days.
They do have a good bunch of kids - but for some reason they are getting lit up.
I mean Marietta?
Those games were supposed to be sleepwalks.
Now my gut tells me that Wilkes or Keystone could take em.
Jeeez- how the mighty have fallen
They do have a good bunch of kids - but for some reason they are getting lit up.
I mean Marietta?
Those games were supposed to be sleepwalks.
Now my gut tells me that Wilkes or Keystone could take em.
Jeeez- how the mighty have fallen
#7
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 27, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
Fisher is a little nicked up and ran into a buzzsaw in Troy. They best right the ship asap or they are staring at 2-4 in the face!
#8
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 17, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
Bartman- the game looks to be a good one!
My concern on the Fisher side is if they can get the passing game in sync.
Beating Fram State and Buff state while struggling is one thing- but beating Hobart is completely different.
I look back to days past when I went back for a certain reunion and watched Fisher get torched by Hobart- good thing the beer was free and the weather was nice that day!
My concern on the Fisher side is if they can get the passing game in sync.
Beating Fram State and Buff state while struggling is one thing- but beating Hobart is completely different.
I look back to days past when I went back for a certain reunion and watched Fisher get torched by Hobart- good thing the beer was free and the weather was nice that day!
#9
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
September 17, 2021, 08:45:42 AM
*crickets*
Week 3 and some great games- no chatter?
Week 3 and some great games- no chatter?
#10
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
August 31, 2021, 10:52:47 AMQuote from: boobyhadgameyo on August 30, 2021, 04:15:09 PMGood to see you back boob!
This is what happens when you go without D3 football for so long that you forgot your password to your old account. Then when you select the recovery email you realize that you created the account 16 years ago with an email that has long since been inactivated.
Let's go Fisherrrr
#11
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
August 30, 2021, 09:27:02 AMQuote from: UfanBill on August 28, 2021, 05:43:39 PMHence the term "Team Boltus"
Hartwick scrimmaged Union today. The score 35-0 Dutchmen. The Hawk's offense looked capable with a big, strong O-line and diverse play calling. QB #4 (a lefty) looked good but the Defense couldn't match Union's explosive and relentless offense. It looks like the Hawks will score but can they stop anybody? Typical for Hartwick.
#12
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
August 20, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
Welcome back Cards!
No clue about scrimmage.
Saw campus for first time in eons while on a visit for my son this summer.
Wow- it literally isnt the same place!
Here is hoping that Vos has a great plan going forward!
No clue about scrimmage.
Saw campus for first time in eons while on a visit for my son this summer.
Wow- it literally isnt the same place!
Here is hoping that Vos has a great plan going forward!
#13
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
August 19, 2021, 08:53:38 AM
The first top 25 is out in forever and only 1 team (Bport) comes in at 22.
Hopefully that changes a bit as the season goes on.
Hoping for a strong return for the whole E8!
Hopefully that changes a bit as the season goes on.
Hoping for a strong return for the whole E8!
#14
Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
August 12, 2021, 12:15:22 PMQuote from: ITH radio on June 18, 2021, 12:53:52 PMIt is and its a doozy
SJF schedule is out
I guess we see what Coach has been up to since the pandemic hit
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Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Empire 8
July 21, 2020, 03:13:02 PM
Good call on Tony, he is a multi talented guy.
Don Meredith- no but good.
Im just so bummed that there will be no E8 this year.
Kids have to he heartbroken - regardless if you get an extra year of eligibility or not.
I have a freshman at Oneonta not knowing if there will be winter sports either......UGH
Don Meredith- no but good.
Im just so bummed that there will be no E8 this year.
Kids have to he heartbroken - regardless if you get an extra year of eligibility or not.
I have a freshman at Oneonta not knowing if there will be winter sports either......UGH