Shenandoah, TX 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships

Started by Ron Boerger, October 13, 2017, 09:46:42 AM

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jknezek

They've got to be praying, if they care at all which it doesn't seem like they do, that UMHB makes it.

GillCJ1

This situation really bums me out.  I hate it for the players and the fans, too.  I plan on attending (regardless if UMHB makes it or not) since I live within driving distance, but I'd be much more excited if Shenandoah was committed to the event.

Here's hoping we still get a great game on the field, if nothing else.
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I do see the full $250k under the Shenandoah adopted budget here:
https://www.egovlink.com/public_documents300/shenandoah/published_documents/Finance/Budget/2018%20-%202019/2018%20-%202019%20ADOPTED%20BUDGET.pdf

Championship banquet catering  15,000
Field painting and cleaning  29,000
Game truck  2,000
Ground transportation 6,000
Hospitality 2,000
Hotel decorations 1,500
Misc.  71,900
Network hardware/infrastructure  10,000
Photographer 600
Pole banners 3,000
Police  5,000
Promo items  20,000
Restroom trailer 500
Stadium signage  3,000
Tailgate  36,500
Videographer  9,000
Woodforest Stadium buyout 35,000
Total Stagg Bowl 250,000

compared to Salem's 2017 budget for Football, Basketball and D2 Softball that totaled $373k
NCAA Championships - 10-053-9108
53150 Legal Services 630 - - -
53199 Other Professional Services 33,363
53200 Temporary Services 24,603
53330 Maintenance Of Auto Equipment 136 - - -
53500 Printing And Binding 8,705
53600 Advertising 46,973
55210 Postage 1,387
55230 Telephone Service 2,280
55410 Lease/Rent Of Equipment 24,337
55520 Airfare 15,581
55530 Meals And Lodging 72,145
55531 Meals And Lodging-NCAA - - 5,000
56002 Food Supplies And Food Service 85,990
56015 Other Operating Supplies 57,303
Total NCAA Championships 373,433

Salem also listed this revenue from the 2017 championships they hosted
NCAA Tickets    $89,992.00
NCAA Sponsporship    $46,880.00
NCAA Banquet Sales    $15,639.00
NCAA Reimbursement    $140,919.00
NCAA Reimbursement Other    $32,098.00
Total Revenue    $325,528.00

Pat Coleman

I distinctly notice the lack of advertising on the Shenandoah budget, whereas it is more than 10 percent of the Salem budget.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

ADL70

Well, the largest line item at $71,900 is "Misc." nearly 29% of the budget and almost double the next largest item, Tailgate.  There's also $20,000 for "Promo items."
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Pat Coleman

Yeah. Promotional items are giveaway items generally, not used in the traditional advertising method of getting a message into the marketplace. But that's a fair point -- that Misc item is a ton of padding.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

crufootball

What is generally the level of involvement in the co-sponsor? As in, what did the ODAC do for the Salem Stagg Bowls or other co-sponsors for other championships.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: crufootball on October 30, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
What is generally the level of involvement in the co-sponsor? As in, what did the ODAC do for the Salem Stagg Bowls or other co-sponsors for other championships.

It's hard for us to know exactly, but from our experience, the ODAC handled all media arrangements, including gameday media operations.  Not sure what else.

We have been told that the sponsoring institution this year might be asked to do a little more, but we don't know the details there, either.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

hazzben

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 30, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
What is generally the level of involvement in the co-sponsor? As in, what did the ODAC do for the Salem Stagg Bowls or other co-sponsors for other championships.

It's hard for us to know exactly, but from our experience, the ODAC handled all media arrangements, including gameday media operations.  Not sure what else.

We have been told that the sponsoring institution this year might be asked to do a little more, but we don't know the details there, either.

For the sake of D3 and the two teams that make it, I really hope Shenandoah doesn't crap the bed on this ... doesn't look encouraging at this point.

Pat, from your perspective, what if anything should the NCAA take from this debacle into the next rounds of bids? Is there a way to ensure that a city is taking this seriously? Obviously it's tricky because it looks like the core issue here is a new group of elected officials who basically feel like it's someone else's mess that they aren't interested in dealing with.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

Give it back to Salem or move it to Canton!

Although if MTU makes it this year, I hope to make the drive from Tampa, FL to TX.
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bleedpurple

It seems to me that at the heart of Salem's success were some very devoted volunteers (extending far beyond elected officials) pouring themselves into the Stagg Bowl experience (which was always so much more than just the game.

Two thoughts spring from this:

1. Maybe the NCAA needs to consider this as a huge factor in weighing who to award a bit to in the first place.

2. Is there a core group of local people driving this project?  We are just over five weeks out and behind the 8 ball. But a lot can get done in five weeks. If there is no one running with this, could the NCAA reach out to the former officials who sold them on the project and form a core group with their contacts in the area? I know it sounds like a reach, but the Stagg Bowl has always been such a special experience for the kids, I'd hate to have even one sub-par year.

Pat Coleman

I'll say this -- it isn't Shenandoah's first championship. They've hosted D-III swimming and diving before, and that's a huge logistical challenge. But football is the bigger fan event -- the biggest fan event among championship events solely involving D-III teams. (Men's lacrosse is a joint championship with the other levels and that's an entire different animal as well.)

However, the city manager who was the driving force behind this bid left, and those who have followed have not had the same enthusiasm.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

Toby Taff

I assume UMHB is still the cohosting institution, and anyone who has been up stairs in the Cruthedral on game day knows they don't do half-a$$ed. I'm going to trust that they are working to make sure this is a great experience
My wife and I are Alumni of both UMHB and HSU.  You think you are confused, my kids don't know which Purple and Gold team to pull for.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: Toby Taff on October 31, 2018, 01:53:10 PM
I assume UMHB is still the cohosting institution, and anyone who has been up stairs in the Cruthedral on game day knows they don't do half-a$$ed. I'm going to trust that they are working to make sure this is a great experience

Yes, but the money doesn't come from UMHB.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

crufootball

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2018, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on October 31, 2018, 01:53:10 PM
I assume UMHB is still the cohosting institution, and anyone who has been up stairs in the Cruthedral on game day knows they don't do half-a$$ed. I'm going to trust that they are working to make sure this is a great experience

Yes, but the money doesn't come from UMHB.

But if the money is there, which seems to be true based on the budget, it seems like there is a chance that this isn't a failure.