South Region Rankings and Playoffs

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pbrooks3

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 09:12:30 PM
Okay South Region fans, Trinity dodged a bullet at Southwestern tonight.   >:(

TU 75, SU 73
The road is rarely easy in the SCAC even when its only 90 minutes away!
🏀🏀🏀

Ralph Turner

#16
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams.  If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.

Results thru Jan 10th... (Pending)



Team...........Conf....In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
1 RMC ODAC9-01.00010-3None
2T Trinity SCAC-W10-1.90912-1UWSP 70-71 OT
2T UTD ASC-E10-1.90912-1at McM 61-64
4 Roanoke ODAC8-1.88812-1Muskingum 79-83 OT (n)
5 GuilfordODAC9-2.81810-2at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76
6T NCWC USAC4-1.8009-3at VWC 59-84
6T LeTU ASC-E8-2.8009-4UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65
8 McMASC-W7-2.7788-4NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66
******
"9T" OgleSCAC-E6-2.75010-3at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64
"9T" UT-TylerASC-E6-2.7506-6Guilford 66-75 (n), at ConcordiaTX 83-98
X EMU ODAC6-4.6007-5Ferrum, CNU, W&L, Roanoke

Corrections appreciated.


EDIT:  Thanks to the Oglethorpe fan who called to my attention the correct in-region record. (I always appreciate fans double-checking my work.  It is all about getting it right!)

Oglethorpe's in-region wins -- Emory, Maryville TN, LaGrange, DPU, Rhodes, Sewanee.
Oglethorpe's in-region losses -- Emory, Centre
Oglethorpe's non-region games -- Haverford (w), Swarthmore (w), Buffalo State (w), Pitt-Greenburg (w) Birmingham-Southern (2nd-year provisional --  w)

Corrections are greatly appreciated.  :)

Ralph Turner

Cut and pasted from the Top 25 Board...



A word about the South region...

I have started a South Region Rankings and Playoff thread to tide us over until the Regional Rankings are released on February 4th.  South Region Rankings and Playoffs

As I researched the rankings, I found these "criteria" gems.  (W/L Records are listed by overall/ in-region/ conference.)

1) RMC (ODAC 10-3/9-0/4-0) undefeated in-region but non-region losses to W&J and DeSales.  Has most of the "meat" of the ODAC schedule ahead of it, but RMC only plays Guilford, Roanoke and EMU once in conference play...easier than expected!

2) Trinity (SCAC-West 12-1/10-1/5-0) beat rival Southwestern on the road on Friday night; must go to Centre and DePauw but catches Oglethorpe at home (crossover single round robin).  OT loss at home to UWSP in November, but has home win over ASC-West foe UMHB.  TU might easily go 23-2 overall/20-2 in-region!

3) UTD (ASC-East 12-1/10-1/7-1) destroyed Guilford 64-48.  That was the lowest Guilford offensive output that I could find this decade (corrections appreciated). The Comets play a beautiful brand of half-court ball.  Very smart, mature players.  They do not beat themselves.  Have a crossover win over UMHB and a road loss to McMurry.  The ASC-East is very tough and balanced this season.  (ASC-East perennial power Mississippi College is tied for 4th this morning after crossover play!)  I think that UTD will lose two road games in the East and go 10-2.  The ASC-East winner hosts the 8-team post-season tourney!  In-region record might go 20-3 and 22-3 overall.

4)  Roanoke (ODAC 12-1/8-1/4-0) has an in-region split with Muskingum (OAC).  Plays Guilford tomorrow night at home and goes to the Quakers on Jan 28th.  Other ODAC games include hosting VWC and going to EMU whom they beat last night.  Currently 12-1 overall /8-1 in-region /4-0 conference with 12 conference games remaining.  ODAC fans...any prognostications on Roanoke in their next 12 games?

5)  Guilford (ODAC 10-2/ 9-2/ 3-0 ) has an in-region win over UT-Tyler (neutral floor) and the loss at UT-Dallas.  They also have a loss in December to NCWC, but wins over Averett, Greensboro and Methodist.  The Quakers have a non-region win over McDaniel.  The ODAC schedule includes the Roanoke game tomorrow night, the Roanoke road trip on Jan 28th, and at EMU on February 11th.  Comments ODAC fans.

6T) NCWC (USAC 9-3/4-1/0-0) has 12 conference games to play.  Their non-region losses include home loss 87-96 to St Vincent, and at mediocre Neumann, 71-73.  NCWC lost to the Marlins at Virginia Wesleyan 59-84.  The in-region wins include HSC, E&H, Guilford and Mary Washington.  Who gets into the rankings from the USA South is still up for grabs, as USAC play begins on Tuesday.

6T)  LeTourneau  (ASC-E 9-4/8-2/7-1) is in a 3-way tie in the ASC-East.  LETU has a very athletic team with in-region losses to UWW 58-69 and McMurry 63-65.  The LeTU in-region (non-conference) win was over Lake Forest. The ASC-East is so strong that Mississippi College, who has an exhibition win over D-1 Alcorn State, is tied for fourth.  ASC-East double round robin play begins this week. The one (UT-Dallas, LeTourneau, UT-Tyler or Mississippi College or even UOzarks) who  earns the conference post-season tourney by winning the division will have been battle-tested.

8 ) McMurry (ASC-West 8-4/7-2/7-1) has a 3 game lead on UMHB (which beat UWW 73-67 in December) and Concordia-Austin in the ASC-West.  Non-conference games were at D-1 UTSA and at D-1 Texas State and then in Las Vegas with a 66-69 in-region loss to CCIW's North Central and a win over St Vincent PA 82-78 (common opponent with NCWC).  After a 3-3 start, McMurry has gone 5-1 (loss to D-1 Texas State).  The in-region loss was at UT-Tyler in the 4th game of the season.  McMurry has in-region wins over LeTU, UT-Dallas and Mississippi College. They have thirteen regular season games remaining.  In the conference tourney, West #1 will open against East #4, which could be anyone of five strong teams.

Comments are appreciated.

Ralph Turner

#18
Roanoke 80, Guilford 76

Roanoke's in-region is now 9-1  (.900).

Guilford drops to 9-3 (.750).

The ODAC should wreak some carnage!

Ralph Turner

#19
Big games this weekend.

RMC won at E&H (1/17)
Trinity beat provisional BSC tonight 65-56; is winning at Rhodes on 1/17.
UTDallas (UTD) beat ETBU 76-61 last night;  Beat LeTU on 1/17 60-59.
Roanoke has beaten Guilford and Bridgewater;  Tied with W&L on 1/17.
Guilford lost to Roanoke 76-80 and beat E&H; Beat VWC on 1/17.
NCWC beat Roanoke Bible earlier this week; Lost to Shenandoah on 1/17.
LeTourneau (LeTU)  beat UOzarks 80-70; lost at UT-D 59-60.
McMurry (McM) beat Texas Lutheran; beat Schreiner 93-87 OT

Oglethorpe beat Hendrix 80-77 tonight.  Hosts Millsaps on Sunday.

magicman

Hey Ralph,

Talked to Patrick Stewart tonight. He said hello and only had good things to say about you. And I verified that he was one of the best hockey players to have lived in Abilene.  Plattsburgh had a big win tonight(much needed) as they beat the conference leaders, Oneonta St 71-59. 

Ralph Turner

#21
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams.  If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.

Results thru Jan 18th...


Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
1 RMC ODAC11-01.00012-3None
2 UTD ASC-E12-1.92314-1at McM 61-64
3 Trinity SCAC-W11-1.90914-1UWSP 70-71 OT
4T Roanoke ODAC9-2.81812-1Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68
4T McMASC-W9-2.81810-4NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66
6 OgleSCAC-E8-2.80012-3at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64
7 GuilfordODAC11-3.78512-3at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80
8T CentreSCAC-E9-3.75012-3Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78
8T DPUSCAC-E9-3.75012-4Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67
8T LeTU ASC-E9-3.75010-5UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60
8T MissCollASC-E9-3.75011-3at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
******
X NCWC USAC4-2.66710-4at VWC 59-84, Shenandoah 65-68

Corrections appreciated.


EDIT:  Oglethorpe beat Millsaps on 1/18; DPU beat Colorado College on 1/18.
LEGEND:  RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW =  UW-Whitewater.

Corrections are greatly appreciated.  :)

Ralph Turner

#22
Edits in the loss column are thru games of Jan 21
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 02:31:09 PM
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams.  If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.

Results thru Jan 18th...


Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
1 RMC ODAC11-0 11-11.000 .91712-3 12-4None at VWC 76-82
2 UTD ASC-E12-1 12-2.923 .85714-1 14-2at McM 61-64; UOz 66-68
3 Trinity SCAC-W11-1.90914-1UWSP 70-71 OT
4 Roanoke ODAC10-210-3.833.76915-2 15-3Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68, lost to VWC 64-82
5 McMASC-W11-2.818.84612-4NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66
6 OgleSCAC-E8-2 8-3.800.72711-412-4at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64, at S'western 61-69
7 GuilfordODAC11-3 11-4.785 .73312-3 13-4at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80, at B'water 66-69
8T CentreSCAC-E9-3.75012-3Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78
8T DPUSCAC-E9-3.75012-4Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67
8T LeTU ASC-E9-3.75010-5UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60
8T MissCollASC-E9-310-4.71411-3 12-4at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71, ETBU 71-76
******
X NCWC USAC4-2 4-3.667.57110-4 10-5at VWC 59-84, Shenandoah 65-68, at CNU 71-74

Corrections appreciated.


EDIT:  Oglethorpe beat Millsaps on 1/18; DPU beat Colorado College on 1/18.
LEGEND:  RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW =  UW-Whitewater.

Corrections are greatly appreciated.  :)
UTD is at UT-Tyler.  Mississippi College hosts LeTU. McMurry hosts SRSU tonight.


UTD, MissColl and McM won tonight, Jan 22nd.


Jan 24th Roanoke lost to VWC 64-82; Mississippi College lost to ETBU 76-71.

Ron Boerger

- RMC and TU should have the same in-region %age at 11-1
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region

jeloesel

Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region

After last night's win, Roanoke is 15-2 overall and 11-2 in region (if I have correctly divined the region).

Ralph Turner

#25
Quote from: jeloesel on January 22, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region

After last night's win, Roanoke is 15-2 overall and 11-2 in region (if I have correctly divined the region).
Sorry about that!

Jeloesel, thanks.  Roanoke only has 10 in-region wins.  Goucher is not in the South Region.


RMC in-region wins include the ODAC wins plus Messiah (195.0 miles), Piedmont,  Methodist and CNU. Frostburg (Great Lakes Region, Admin Region #1 and 232 miles away) does not meet criteria.  RMC is currently 10-1/12-4. 

Ralph Turner

#26
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams.  If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.

Results thru Jan 25th...


Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
1 Trinity SCAC-W13-1.92816-1UWSP 70-71 OT
2 RMC ODAC12-1.91713-4at VWC 76-82
3 UTD ASC-E13-2.86715-2at McM 61-64; UOz 66-68
4 McMASC-W11-2.84612-4NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66
5 CentreSCAC-E11-3.78614-3Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78
6 Roanoke ODAC10-3.76915-3Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68, VWC 64-82
7 GuilfordODAC11-4.73313-4at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80, at B'water 66-69
8 CNUUSAC8-3.72711-6at VWC 68-78, Roanoke 81-90, RMC 64-76
******
9T DPUSCAC-E10-4.71413-5Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67, at Hendrix 67-78
9T LeTU ASC-E10-4.71411-6UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60, at MissColl 68-75
9T MissCollASC-E10-4.71412-4at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71, ETBU 71-76
x OgleSCAC-E8-4.66712-5at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64, at S'western 61-69, at Trinity 74-77

Corrections appreciated.



LEGEND:  RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW =  UW-Whitewater.

Corrections are greatly appreciated.  :)
Feel free to copy and paste any updates!


EDIT:  Oglethorpe has 8 in-region wins. (Birmingham-Southern is year #2 provisional.) Thanks to the OU partisan for catching that!

Ralph Turner

As CNU enters conference play, they begin to add to the win column, and in turn, to improve their in-region percentage!

CNU's having an in-region W/L of 16-3 (regular season) is possible.

Walter17

Ralph, you've done a fantastic job with this.  Hopefully as soon as the rankings come out, we get some great discussion on this. 

It's great to see Trinity back at #1 in the South.  It's been a few years since they were last up there.  This weekend is a big regional weekend for Trinity as they visit #9 DePauw and #5 Centre.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Walter17 on January 26, 2009, 11:20:03 AM
Ralph, you've done a fantastic job with this.  Hopefully as soon as the rankings come out, we get some great discussion on this. 

It's great to see Trinity back at #1 in the South.  It's been a few years since they were last up there.  This weekend is a big regional weekend for Trinity as they visit #9 DePauw and #5 Centre.
Thanks.

As it is looking, Trinity is in line to host first and second round games.

The rest of the South is chasing Trinity, especially the Pool A bid (and possible Pool C bid) from the ASC.

We might get 3-team bracket in this part of the country, if the ASC (other than Mississippi College gets a Pool C), i.e., Away/Home/Bye.

Looking at the Pool C "table" that is posted by pabegg, if everyone wins out, and UTD meets McMurry in the
ASC Finals,  we might get a McMurry-UTD matchup on Thursday and the winner going to Trinity on Saturday.