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Title: University Athletic Association
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:06:35 AM
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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 17, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
More on the new stadium.  panoramic pix.
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 19, 2005, 10:40:01 AM
The Plain Dealer reports 70 Spartans in camp.  No official word yet on return of any of the '04 non-participants.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2005, 11:15:02 AM
Great job all on the Kickoff.

To nit pick:

The UAA page and team page for CMU have different forecasts.

I'm pleased with the confidence shown in CWRU by the reporter and by Pat and Keith.  Your ranking is fair to somewhat optimistic.  Pat and Keith I think you have overestimated CMU.  CWRU won last year and no other team held them to fewer points.  No quarrell with ranking them higher, but not by 25 spots.  The reporter predicts Case wins.

And the reporter uses the dreaded "Case Western", please either CWRU or Case.

Recognizing that factchecking every source would be momumental, it seems CWRU is putting out misinformation or information altered by subsequent events:

Harvey #1 in nation in pass eff, before injury?  Highest I see is #27 - 149.7 after week 3 (Kenyon).  He did have a good game against Wooster, and ended with a rating in the 130s.  He was 1 of 5 with 4 sacks in the one half he played in the opener, but the one comp was a TD.

OK, 9 different FR started one or both of the last 2 games, but 4 of them aren't with the team this year (both QBs and OL and DL starters).

I count 7 SR s who either started last year or are forecast to challenge this year, so seems more than 4 will see significant action.


From the posted roster:

No Cellura (top WR), Minter or Harris (all UAA) back from 03.

Conspicuous by absence:  OL- Slobidsky; DL-McCrakin & Katitus; LB-Heath & Bonsiewich (offset somewhat by return of all UAA Decesare from 03)

Still the Kickoff is an amazing accomplishment!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2005, 12:25:11 PM
Thanks. We felt the writer overestimated the entire UAA (had everyone 7-3 or better) and we went through and re-analyzed the records for the conference capsule. I guess we failed to pass that update along to the affected schools.

I also wouldn't lose sleep over the difference between being #99 and #124. There's very little separating teams at that point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2005, 12:59:11 PM
I don't disagree with those points.  The ratings were clearly too high for the next to last rated conference.  ;) 
Title: Case
Post by: 4u on August 26, 2005, 01:32:51 PM
cwru70,
Don't worry so much about who's missing at Case.  Look what you have-- a transfer QB from Valpo who will see serious time, a transfer DL from powerful D2 Michigan Tech, a 6'5" 280# pound freshman with good feet, and a slew of kids coming back with experience.  You know I think a lot of that staff, too.  I think Case is in a nice position this fall.  The opener at Oberlin is a must-win game.  Then, the momentum of kicking off the new facility should carry them through week two. 
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jdean on August 27, 2005, 10:44:47 AM
I would admit to having a twisted sense of humor but when I saw "The opener at Oberlin is a must-win game"
I fell on the floor in laughter. I never, never, thought I'd see Oberlin and must win in the same sentence.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2005, 11:34:17 AM
 And the roster now lists Minter back to add experience at WR.  Started for CWRU in 03 and was Navy's #4 receiver in 01, DNP in 02 or 04...now if he can just get Cellura, his HS teammate, back.

I agree the newcomers look great on paper.  Esp. the OL FR - 6'4 285. 6'5 275, 6'3 280, and 6'2 290!  And #s are up from last year's 54 to 67.

I wasn't lamented the losses, as much as reporting them.  Things are moving in the right direction!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on August 29, 2005, 10:14:02 AM
cwru70,
I didn't think you were, cwru70.  I was just making sure you knew there were some definite positives as well.  Minter's return is a nice addition,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2005, 06:44:38 PM
jdean:
Come on now :)!  People said that when Oberlin pulled a fast one and did well a couple of seasons ago.  It's not impossible and some other people will be laughing if Oberlin were to pull an upset in that season opener (although probably less likely this year).

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2005, 06:47:48 PM
4u:
Hope things have been going well.  Where did the summer go?  Looking forward our opener at JCU on Sept. 10th.  A possibility that I might be there (working of course!), but not sure as yet.  How about you - are you thinking of going?

Not quite sure how to assess our team just yet, but will have a better idea after this upcoming weekend's final annual intra-squad game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2005, 08:41:44 AM
Pat

I couldn't find UAA in the index for ATR, but I see it's being covered in GL again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2005, 12:24:10 PM
4u

Still the non-return of so many players with lots of p/t two years in a row, is an issue that warrants a look.  The other 3 UAA teams returned all their non-senior all UAA players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2005, 01:22:48 PM
The Great Lakes UAA teams are being covered in the Great Lakes again.
The Midwest UAA teams are being covered in the Midwest again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2005, 02:12:26 PM
Gotcha... Thanx
Title: CWRU Non-returners
Post by: 4u on August 31, 2005, 10:04:26 AM
cwru70,
Well, when you lose a defensive lineman to an aspiring pro wrestling career, things can get a little tricky.  That said, there is a LB coming back this fall who wasn't on the squad last year, so the loss of the DL may be a wash.  Also, I understand that two QB's may play in the opener but a transfer from Valpo will take the first snap of the season.
As for the size of the freshman OL, the term "size doesn't matter" (which nobody ever wants to hear) may apply.  It turns out that of the three big fellas in the frosh class, only one shows true promise.  Let's hope the other two develop into something but let's not hold our collective breath.
Word on the street is that the scrimmage against Marietta was very positive.  Just a few days and the whole story will start to unfold,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2005, 05:35:54 PM
Pro wrestling??  That's a switch.  Yes, anxious to see how things go on the field and end speculation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2005, 08:15:18 AM
Lotta love for the Spartans in the NCAC pick 'em!  CWRU giving 13.5 and a few more there giving rather than taking.

In roster news...QB Marshall Hampton now listed as "/WR" and QB recruit Scott Moyer has been listed at WR all along.

Just a day away!
Title: Survivor!
Post by: 4u on September 06, 2005, 10:20:06 AM
I'll take Case being 1-0 no matter how they got there.  Now, let's see if they'll be 1-0 at home after this Saturday.  Sounds like there's a tough opponent waiting,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 06, 2005, 10:50:25 AM
I am very happy to see Angelo Mirando earn teh starting QB job and do so well.  I coached him in high school and can attest to this young man's ability and work ethic.

Great job Spartans and great job Angelo.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2005, 10:59:59 AM
Mirando's debut was impressive!!

8/13/0/121/2 tds/3 sacks; plus a couple of drops, an uncalled pass interference, and a shovel pass scored as a run.  Rushed 15 for 84 and 2 tds.

The D shut down OC in the first half after the opening drive.  They were on the field a lot after the O buttoned up once going up 27-7 after first drive of second half.  Yoemen have a very good frosh RB.

Denison also won its game while losing statistics battle.  This week will tell a lot.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 06, 2005, 11:07:53 AM
Apparentally he would have competed for the starting QB job at Valpo had he stayed there.  I hope he continues to do so well.  I knew he could run, but we never let him loose in high school.  perhaps we should have done that more often.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2005, 01:23:38 PM
He seems very well suited to the Spartan offense.  Clearly the most athletic QB that this system has had.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D5A9C on September 07, 2005, 09:16:39 PM
Just wondering what kind of depth Case has at running back. Buddy of mine went there and is listed on the roster as a RB. Hoping he can rack up a few carries this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2005, 10:47:15 AM
In the past CWRU has run a lot of 1 back sets, so second RB is often in the slot.  More mobility at QB this year seems to mean fewer carriers for RBs.  Only 1 RB had carries in game 1.  One starter is a senior.  They do have a transfer from UMass and an Ohio all-state RB on the roster this year.  A lot of RBs on the roster.  I think only one of them saw special teams action.  Pass catching ability is a must in this system.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D5A9C on September 08, 2005, 07:00:30 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2005, 08:38:04 PM
Hope your buddy is able to contribute.  The program is moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2005, 04:47:50 PM
Commercial radio and internet broadcast of 4 Spartan games (Denison, Wooster, WashU, and Alfred.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2005, 02:22:03 PM
Wow! The Spartans have a home field advantage.  The buildings hold the sound in making 2,000 sound like more.  Great vantage point atop the parking garage too.  I just wish they had lowered the field or graded the buildings to create terracing on the opposite side.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DarkSide-D on September 11, 2005, 02:36:57 PM
Thanks CWRU70.  The new field sounds great.  Can't wait to see it in a couple of weeks.  I wish I would have had the opportunity to have played on it rather than the old, um, field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bch580 on September 11, 2005, 08:55:07 PM
The opener at Case yesterday was amazing.  The new stadium is beautiful.  The place was packed and the fans were crazy.  Case's defense played tough, and Rosenbury must have averaged 5 yards a carry on.  Hopefully its more of the same in two weeks when the Scots visit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2005, 09:24:25 PM
5 yards and a cloud of rubber!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 12, 2005, 07:13:55 PM
A good friend's home was located  about where the south end zone is now found. Bring back Warren Lahr and the Red Cats!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2005, 08:41:08 PM
Frank:
On Oct 1 CWRU will be commemorating the Red Cat v Roughrider Thanksgiving Day games, the last in 1953.  Lahr would have played in those.  At one time they played at both League Park and Municipal Stadum.  Glad to see some recognition of tradition.  Now if we can get the new stadium dressed out with some banners honoring the teams and players of the past.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 12, 2005, 09:23:43 PM
70: I saw Lahr play in some of them. Sadly he is long gone. Some of the Thanksgiving Day games were also played on the Adelbert field. Perhaps some at Shaw Field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2005, 10:36:59 PM
The last Thanksgiving one was played at Clarke Field on Adelbert in 53.  The 67 game was played at Shaw.  The last one in 69 at Finnigan Field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmutartan on September 13, 2005, 02:53:18 PM
well sounds like a few people are following case out there...don't forget about cmu...lot of potential on that team this year....plus they might as well have not shown up last year against case, everyone knows they gave them that one
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2005, 10:26:40 PM
Welcome Tartan:

Give us some info on that potential, if you want us to not forget CMU.  Beating Hiram was a given and GCC seems on the decline if their opening loss is an indication.  How will you fare against Hopkins in a week?

You will find CWRU vastly improved at QB over the squad that won last year.  As I recall, Rosenbury had a big day and the D shut down the wing T pretty well.
Title: Mellon, get your suit on, we need ya'...
Post by: 4u on September 16, 2005, 12:51:06 PM
cmu tar tar,
You gave Case that one last year?  I thought every game was played on the field.  You can not go with the "we gave them that game" line when we're talking about college football.  Played badly- o.k.!  Were just plain flat- fair enough.  Don't use the gave it away card, though.  I'm an out-of-town Case fan but all indications are that they are continuing to improve.  The roster is fairly talented and the recent Spartan teams have all been well coached.  I imagine your guys will give Case all they can handle but don't count them out completely-- unless of course your guys don't show up!?!
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 18, 2005, 03:15:32 PM
Can anyone tell me about Angelo Mirando's injury? I saw that the Case site said that he was hurt.

Thanks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2005, 06:27:56 PM
I caught one of the asst coaches as he was going to the press box after the half.  Didn't get much info, but was told it was after effects from the Denison game.  The coach said he'd "be ready to go next week."  I sure hope so.  Harvey was competent, but lacks the added dimension of Mirando's rushing ability
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 19, 2005, 12:18:34 PM
Thanks for the info.  Glad to know its not serious. I am guess ing that if it were a big game he could have played.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 19, 2005, 12:42:35 PM
This week's opponent is the season's toughest.  And the Fish Stringer is on the line.
Title: Spartan band-aids
Post by: 4u on September 21, 2005, 02:12:40 PM
cwru70-
The Spartans are hurting at many positions.  The o-line is particularly banged up and the RB is feeling the wrath of 70 carries in two games.  I think one of theri better defensive playes may have been lost for the year.  I would expect the Spartans to keep the banged-up guys on the sidelines and find out what they have in some of their reserves (no pun intended).  I don't know how they can hang with Wooster based on their injuries and lack of depth.  I hope they rest the guys who need it and get past Defiance next week to improve to 4-1,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2005, 05:57:40 PM
4u

Brew's injury looked like it could be a serious knee.  C Zagorski has been hobbled all season, I don't think he played the last 3 qtrs  v Kenyon.  If Mirado returns that may offset somewhat the other losses.  Rosebury's real value may be pass protection.  At least there is a lot of depth at LB, but  CB Maimone didn't play a lot in the 2nd half either.  At least there's a week off before WUStL.  The Woo game was expected to be a L anyway, so why sacrifice the rest of the season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on September 22, 2005, 02:08:14 PM
cwru70,
I agree completely.  Don't sacrifice the season for one game.  I just hope they can get through this one w/o getting any more injuries.  Then, they need to beat Defiance.  I'd love to see a 4-1 start.  The second half of the season is brutal with Alfred, W&L, and Wash U. still looming.  Wins over CMU and Chicago may be necessary to reach 6-4 (which would be a great accomplishment)!
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2005, 06:21:53 PM
From what I have seen, there should be no reason that this team does not finish at least as well as last year.  They're already a game up.  Alfred seems not to be as strong as last year, and interestingly Alfred and W&L also meet.  The last half of last year was QB experiment time, since #s 1 & 2 were gone by that time.  I see wins again against UC & CMU, and, if healthly, a chance in the remaining games.  6-4 would be great, and is within reach.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DarkSide-D on September 23, 2005, 09:14:05 PM
Can any of you Case guys help me out?  Is the new football stadium built on the site of the old stadium.  If not, could someone help me out with directions?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2005, 09:49:28 PM
It's less than a long run from the old location.  So, if you were at the old field, you know where the new one is.  I recommend the great vantage point from atop the parking garage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DarkSide-D on September 23, 2005, 09:52:36 PM
Thanks CRWU70
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2005, 08:06:55 AM
COW 38  Case Western Reserve Reserves 21
The Reserves acquitted themselves pretty well.  It was 17-14 until the last seconds of the of 3rd Q.  Then COW got a pick 6 with a minute and a half left in the game to pad the margin.  The D was on the field most of 3Q, but kept the Scots out of the end zone for 14:42. Several players saw their first collegiate action.

Get healthly with Defiance and a week off.  Then beat WUStL!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 26, 2005, 01:11:33 PM
Is Mirando's injury more serious than previously thought?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on September 26, 2005, 01:31:15 PM
If I understand it correctly, Mirando's injury is not TOO serious.  He (reportedly) has a very small rib fracture and should be able to play when the pain subsides.  I would not be shocked if he ends up under center some this week.  I also would not disagree should the staff give him two more weeks (this week and the bye) to make sure he is ready for the second half of the schedule.  I'm sure they'll make the right call,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on September 26, 2005, 02:55:34 PM
They don't want to rush him back.  He will be there for a few years. he has the talent to succeed in any conference in D3, maybe not this year, but at some point in his career he could play well against any level of competition in D3.  He has serious game and a serious work ethic.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2005, 11:59:21 PM
The reserves played well enough last week that I would say start them and sit the wounded out unless they are really needed to bat Defiance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on September 27, 2005, 11:09:05 AM
I agree with cwru70.  If the reserves can be pasted in at certain spots, that would be great.  It would do two things: 1) give the reserves some much needed experience and 2) give the injured players a nice long stretch (the bye is next week) to rest.  This win over Defiance would bode well for the program.  When the season started, I was hoping for 4-1 at the break.  That is certainly within reach now. 
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2005, 06:20:36 PM
If we can get healthy, even if Brew is out for the season, I can actually see 8-2 and a UAA crown as a possibility.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on September 28, 2005, 09:59:27 AM
cwru70-
That would be amazing.  I hope that the crystal ball is accurate,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2005, 09:28:55 PM
Needless to say there is a big qualifier there.  I take support from the Laz Index which ranks only Alfred and WUStL of the remaining opponents higher.  And WUStL is only a few spots higher.  I'm not going to make a prediction, but it is within the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2005, 08:32:22 AM
4u

What are your sources telling you about who will play against Defiance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on September 30, 2005, 10:13:53 AM
cwru70,
There is a flu-like epidemic that appears to be airborn and has caused many illnesses this week.  Coaches Debeljak and Slesh are definitely out as they have been quarantined at University Hospital.  QB's Mirando and Harvey both have strange arm injuries and are seeing specialists.  Look for Elizabeth Sparks (MH-- Volleyball team) to call the signals.  She has had tremendous success reading defenses in the co-ed flag league.  It appears Coach Macalla will call both sides of the ball and may emerge as the next Jim Tressel (ironic since they are both "Stingers").  Assistant Coach Kaufman plans to suit up and wear number 57 (to remain inconspicuous).  Look for him to have a big game.  Lastly, it appears Rosenbury has a case of Utah hoppidylooch.  It is a rare but painful swelling of the feet.  They have resized him with size twenty-seven shoes but I just don't know how he can be as effective toting the pigskin,
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CJ3144 on September 30, 2005, 01:35:46 PM
Interesting injury report. Should be an interesting game tomorrow. I was at the game last Saturday and I look for the Spartans to get some retribution against the Yellowjackets. Look for the Spartans to be 4-1 and ready to take the UAA title.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2005, 05:33:08 PM
4u

You've never steered me wrong before, but....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2005, 08:07:38 AM
OK, Call me the jinx.  Or maybe 4u's diagnoses were accurate.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on October 06, 2005, 08:28:31 AM
Here is an article from Angelo Mirando's hometown paper.  Thought some of you might be interested. It tells how he ended up at Case via Valparaiso and a bit of his injury history.

http://www.starbeacon.com/?MC=SPORTS&NID=3&AID=9893
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 06, 2005, 10:47:31 AM
Thanx I saw the hometown report from the summer when the transfer was announced.  I was aware CWRU was his first choice and he got his grades so he could transfer.  Hope he can get healthy with the open date.  Clearly his performance against Defiance showed he was not 100%, even before the hit that put him out for a series.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on October 07, 2005, 03:07:12 PM
The roster has Angelo listed as a sophomore but the article said he is a redshirt freshman.   What is his actual athletic eligibilty?  I was under the impression he didn't play at Valpo last year.

Does Case have a graduate business school that could keep Mirando there after he most likely finsihes his degree in two or three years?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on October 07, 2005, 06:52:39 PM
Case has a B school. Whether its existence could motivate a certain person a certain way I leave to the judgment of others.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2005, 07:47:32 PM
There are many opportunities at CWRU for graduate education, including the Weatherhead School of Management. Co-op years have also sometimes caused athletes to spread 4 eligibility years over 5 academic years.  My understanding was that he red-shirted at Valpo and that that would still permit him 4 years eligibility at CWRU, should he choose to continue.  I know CMU had a player last year whose class was listed as "Grad."  One thing that separates the UAA schools from many D3 schools is their graduate programs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 07, 2005, 09:04:53 PM
I thought that D-III did away with all but medical red-shirts...yes, no?  Somebody...?  If so, when did it go into effect/what class year would have to follow the new rule?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 07, 2005, 09:15:44 PM
My understanding is that for transfers who legally redshirted in a different division, d3 will recognize (accept) the redshirting.  Anyone?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 09:43:39 PM
Redshirting is in the FAQ.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2005, 11:00:02 PM
The gist, as I understand it and as it applies to Mirando: redshirting if recognized at the level and institution at the time, as was the case in '04 at Valpo, will be recognized in d3.  The question that was raised though I think was: would there be a reason for Mirando to stay the extra year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 07, 2005, 11:04:48 PM
That sounds like a question for Mirando!  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2005, 11:43:12 PM
I think that was Frank's point...and I agree.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 08, 2005, 05:54:20 PM
Is Chicago now the team to beat?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 09, 2005, 07:43:33 PM
This is the only week with all 4 teams going head to head.  Can we start something here?  Come back cmutartan.  How will you fair against the surprising Maroons?  Did we lose everyone else with the upgrade?
How did Chicago pull off the surprise?   Do we ask Pat to change this to CWRU discussion?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2005, 06:08:19 PM
National award nomination for Santo Maimone.
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2005, 11:45:53 PM
Pat
Thanx for shining the spotlight on UAA on the front page.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2005, 11:51:36 PM
cwru 70,

Applaud for TRYING to keep the board alive - you seemed kind of lonely in here, so just wanted to say 'hello'!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2005, 12:00:52 AM
Well, 4u and I have taken some discussion off the board, so maybe not as lonely as it seems.

To paraphrase Frank: We aim to please.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on October 11, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
cwru: Thanks for the acknowledgment. You will be charged no royalty.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on October 12, 2005, 12:32:31 PM
Not real sure if Mirando would want to stick around.  I am sure he wants an MBA, not sure if he wants it right away or at Case.  Time will tell.

Good Luck Spartans!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2005, 08:21:22 AM
The Spartans will need luck as there is nothing to suggest that the open date has improved the injury situation any.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2005, 06:58:33 PM
WUStL 28     CWRU 7
UofChi 35     CMU    6

Maroons earn at least a tie for title.  Congrats.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2005, 08:24:44 PM
Uh oh, the Maroons lost to the three WORST teams in the CCIW (Elmhurst, Illinois Wesleyan, and North Park) - there goes your conference's 'power rating'!  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2005, 10:07:39 PM
UAA was 23rd of 25.  Not very far to fall.  19th best out of conference record this year.  But then one team CWRU beat is unbeaten in the NCAC and a team CWRU lost to by one is leading the HCAC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 16, 2005, 12:12:40 AM
cwru.

Glad you took that post in the spirit in which it was intended - just funnin' ya!

Or are you the reason my karma took a hit?  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 16, 2005, 09:37:04 AM
Nope, I'm not a karma kameleon.



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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 17, 2005, 12:47:26 AM
CWRU: How is the new stadium at Case? Thinking of making the trip to Cleveland. Are there stands for visitors?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2005, 08:33:05 AM
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/stats/2005/story_02.htm

Nice setting.  There is a section at about the 20 for visitors.  I prefer to watch from atop the parking garage.  Great vantage point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 17, 2005, 03:34:18 PM
cwru: I'm taking it to mean there is no seating behind the visitor's bench. Is Case drawing decent crowds? Or would it be possible for the band sit at, say the 35 or 40 without being called for "offsides"?

Not sure at this time whether I can muster a pep band road trip, but the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame certainly is a nice incentive. AUPepBand ROCKS CLEVELAND?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2005, 06:59:02 PM
Your assumption is correct seating only on one side.  Since CWRU's band is down at the North 10, I think you would be offsides.  The Vis section is at the south end.

To my view the attendance count is a mission in creative accounting.  The claim was 2600 for Wash, but the stands were more full for Denison when they only claimed 2200.  Three straight losses may deplete the crowd.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 17, 2005, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 17, 2005, 06:59:02 PM
Your assumption is correct seating only on one side.  Since CWRU's band is down at the North 10, I think you would be offsides.  The Vis section is at the south end.

cwru: Tell me about the Case band... they have a marching band? Or is it like AU Pep Band--a few engineering students, a junior high schooler, a kazoo-humming musical wannabe and a couple homeless people who like to make noise?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2005, 11:49:04 PM
It is a marching band.   About 75 pieces, I would guess.  The Cleveland Institute of Music is on campus and its courses are available to CWRU students.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 18, 2005, 12:25:45 AM
CWRU: Will be glad to hear it. I was very impressed to see Grove City's marching band last year when AU played at GC. They probably were 100+ strong and provided pre-game and half-time shows. Excellent. But they were purely marching band, not a pep band. Ironically, they sat through the entire game and never made a peep.

My prior description of the AUPepBand was more truth than fiction. But our members LOVE the SAXONS and do their best to get the fans involved in supporting AU. Plus, we have a lot of fun.

Any reason in particular for Case's three-game losing streak? I know they started out 3-0. Have there been any key injuries? Is it a big squad?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2005, 08:45:31 AM
CWRU's band if anything plays too much during the game.  As in during play.

If you scroll back through the board you can read the injury report.  And another LB went down last week.  67 players on the squad.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 18, 2005, 12:58:40 PM
AU had 140+ in pre-season camp. Had to run double sessions (one for varsity, one for JVs) so they could get in their reps.

From Day 1 of our existence, AU Pep Band complements the game...we stop playing (even in the middle of a song) when the ball is in play. Our group specializes in playing songs in response to what is happening on the field. I.e., in the past when the opposition is penalized, we play "Dragnet" or now, we do a heavy equipment back-up beeper.

I've got a trumpet and a tuba planning to go. Now if I can get my drummer and trombone and another trumpet or two, we'll have a band!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2005, 07:26:53 PM
CWRU's play the "Jeopardy" theme during measurements.  Otherwise they have some corny cheers.  Sorry I'll have to miss the "Battle of the bands."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 18, 2005, 07:48:46 PM
Wow, cwru, we have our own little posting board here. I know there's only a few teams in the UAA, but this place is dead. Silence. All but the pep band talk!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
Everyone else is at the library - what are you doing worrying about fb??  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 18, 2005, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
Everyone else is at the library - what are you doing worrying about fb??  ;D
Actually, I'm at the library, too!   8) As a matter of fact, I work at the library! But it's football season...got hooked on the Saxons in my childhood and have never outgrown it. Was a Saxon fan when most DIII schools were lucky to get 50 on their football squads. With Alex Yunevich as head coach here at Alfred from 1937-1976, AU had some memorable seasons... and got some national exposure. But that was BEFORE NCAA Playoffs, Al Gore inventing the internet and D3Football.com
On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2005, 08:46:06 PM
You zapped me good, AUPB!  Applause!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 19, 2005, 05:59:41 PM
Okay, so tell me, what's the weather looking like in Cleveland on Saturday? I'm curious whether anyone else will make the trip. Probably all the Saxon fans are reading the Empire 8 posts so no one will respond here.
Looking for a good game. Case has a formidable record, some big wins, and although injuries have slowed the Spartans, they no doubt are hungry to get back in the win column....especially still having a shot at the UAA.

Probably just talking to myself here, but then again, perhaps CWRU will show up. Will you be at Saturday's game?

Go AU!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2005, 07:29:54 PM
Pep

Great job at building up the opposition.  I do think your team is down a bit from last year.  The team that beat Denison would give you a battle, I thing.  As the team stands now I'm afraid not.

As I said before, I will miss the battle (or skirmish) of the bands.

Here's to a good game (and good music).  50's w/chance of rain is the forecast, I believe.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 19, 2005, 11:20:02 PM
Well, the band is growing. Just found out I've got two trumpets, a trombone and a tuba on board, with me on the bass drum. We will have a blast. The 2005 AU squad is very different offensively in that there are new personnel everywhere. However, our sophomore QB, a transfer from St. John Fisher, is more mobile than Duliba, who played most of last year with bad knees.

Our offense has been more productive this year and, excepting the opener at W&L when we committed 7 turnovers and had no running game, has improved with each game. Interesting thing is it's a nice balanced attack....no one really to "key" on.

Go AU!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aufan on October 20, 2005, 09:03:15 AM
AUPepBand
I was just skimming through the different boards and found you here talking up AU (as you should!). Thought I would be safe posting on here for a little bit. From the other posts on here I guess AU should come out on top. Getting a little nervous about a possible loss before we get to Ithaca or St. John Fisher. I see we are at the top of the leader board too. Long day here on Saturday with no football. Guess I'll have to watch the tube.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 20, 2005, 12:10:14 PM
AUFan:
I believe you may just be able to listen to the AU game Saturday via the internet through Case Western's broadcast. If you go to D3football.com schedule of games and Case is in red, click on it. It will bring you to the webcast of the game. Hope you can give a listen.
We are anticipating a "Battle of the Bands" as Case has a 75-piece marching unit while Li'l Alf will be five strong (but sounding like 500).
Go SAXONS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aufan on October 21, 2005, 09:34:45 AM
AUPepBand:
I hear you now!! Will check out the internet broadcast if I'm allowed to sit in the house that long! Will I need anything special on my computer for that?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 21, 2005, 04:47:29 PM
Probably some sort of Media Player. Not a big deal. But last week, I was able to listen to the end of the Lycoming-Ithaca game, after AU took care of business with Utica.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 23, 2005, 05:49:19 PM
Hmmmm....no posts here since I was here last? CWRU...your Case team put up a good fight, as anticipated. Defense held Newsome to 75 yards....his first sub-100 game since the second game of the season. And my wet and damp regards to the kind folks at Case Stadium who enforced their "stadium policy" of not allowing large umbrellas or "EZ-Ups" in the stadium. Our five-member AU Pep Band is still drying out. Still not sure of the reason for said policy. If obstructing other spectators' view was the reason, there were no other spectators sitting in our section!
On Saxon Warriors...o'er every adversity!
Go AU!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2005, 10:22:21 PM
AUPB
Thanx for your comments on the teams fight.  How much did the weather contribute to the Ds success?  Sorry about the umbrella police.  I think they must have gotten that from some facilities management text somewhere.  Trying to imitate the big boys.  Personally I never thought an umbrella was that effective.  A good rain suit was much more effecient, but then I've never tried to keep rain out of the bell of a horn.

Tartan
Will either team score a touchdown?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on October 25, 2005, 03:49:15 PM
CWRU: AU had a couple dropped TD passes (wet ball?), one was ruled an incompletion, the other recovered by Case in the end zone.
Pep Band has an EZ-Up shelter...ironically that's just what the concession stand was under! On rainy days, we set it up at the top of the AU stands so as not to obstruct anyone's view. The legs are adjustable so it works quite nicely. No worries. The band played on, singing in the rain!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: redman04 on October 26, 2005, 12:38:58 PM
• Everyone vote Brett Elliott for Heisman

Did everybody see this on the front page?  If not check it out and vote!  It could do nothing but help DIII football.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 07:37:34 PM
up date and a big thank you .. Brett Elliott   FROM D3 just moved into #9 place, out of 41 nominees.. Good Work boys... keep it up

Remember  you can vote once each week per e-mail address

http://www.voteforheisman.com/vote3.php

Go D3 Football
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2005, 03:49:25 PM
Maimone makes final 16 for Draddy
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s2_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on October 27, 2005, 04:11:56 PM
Congratulations to Santo Maimone on his nomination.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 04:09:31 PM
What's going on in here with you quys? ???  Hibernating already?!!  I realize our MIAA board has not been much better either in that regard until recent.  But no posts for yours since Oct - what gives?  I know you have some good contribution in discussion on what's going on with your conference.  So please enlighten us when you get the chance. ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 02, 2005, 06:02:27 PM
This has been a CWRU only board all year.  Not much to write home about at the end of the injury ravaged season.  The Spartan D was just that and performed well despite signifigant TOP deficits.  Kudos also to the senior class which stuck around in numbers unheard of in recent years.  Esp to Phil Polito who played as a special teamer and role player.

And for more good news:
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

The only thing positive about the injuries is a lot of newcomers got pt.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 02, 2005, 06:50:06 PM
CMU's Aaron Lewis was also a 1st Team DB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 06, 2006, 07:07:01 PM
CWRU has added Grove City to its 2006 sched.  Rochester returns for 08 and 09.  Return date for GCC which seems possible for week 11 in 07 isn't scheduled.  My guess is PAC expansion is the issue.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 10, 2006, 05:36:04 PM
More honors for Santo Maimone
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: uofc on January 31, 2006, 04:30:56 AM
The University of Chicago Maroons wrapped up the 2005-06 Football Season with it's annual banquet, awarding those who earned honors in various categories.  The Maroons who finished at the top of the UAA with a 3-0 record (5-4 overall after starting 0-4) also finished with the most All-Academic UAA honors (ratio players:honors) out of the UAA Teams.  Excellence in academics and on the field, what a great combination! 

Good luck in the off-season!.  I hope to see another year of battling between the brightest football players in the nation.   8)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 31, 2006, 08:47:37 AM
And you had 3 or 4 Rhodes Scholars from your institution as well!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2006, 05:15:15 PM
CWRU's 07 game with Ursinus has been dropped.  Added were Galludet and St. Vincent.  Only 1 '07 date left to fill to complete schedule thru '09.  11/10 v GCC seems logical.  Both list it as open.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 23, 2006, 08:41:32 PM
CWRU recruits  http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/2006recruits.htm

and returners  http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/roster.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 25, 2006, 08:50:01 PM
Here are the results of my web research on the CWRU recruiting class.

CWRU's reported recruiting class features maybe its most honored recruit ever in Willoughby South QB Dan Whalen.  Whalen was a 1st team Div II All-State selection and District offensive player of the year.  By throwing for 1902 yds on 112 of 192, he led the Rebels to 11 straight wins before they lost in a regional semi.  Another honored Dan heading to the Circle is Fla All-State HM and All Dade 1st team RB Daniel Gousse who rushed for nearly 1,000 yards on only 140 carries.  He also had a unique T&F double, competing in the 100 and shop put, how he'll perform is a question mark as he underwent open heart surgery in November for a congenital defect.  His team's center, All Dade HM Kevin Shohat, is also listed as joining him as a Spartan.  One of three Mentor Cardinals on the roster is Nick Spring, a Div I District 2nd team OL.  He acquitted himself well against OSU-bound Robert Rose in his team's opener against Glenville, but he has also been reported headed to Johns Hopkins. 
Now we just have to see who actually shows up at camp.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on June 25, 2006, 09:01:51 PM
cwru70, i hear it's Little Italy that's drawing the recruits in...that and the new stadium and lodging...great news...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2006, 05:21:42 PM
One of Whalen's coaches played QB at CWRU in the mid-90s.  That couldn't have hurt.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 11, 2006, 08:20:02 PM
What is the word(s) on U. of Chicago this year?  The Maroons usually play Elmhurst tough and I'm just curious what their outlook is this year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 12, 2006, 06:13:24 PM
Jaybird

12 of Chicago's All-UAA first or second teamers were underclassmen.  They were a much impoved team by the end of the year.  I think you can expect a tough battle again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 12, 2006, 06:32:28 PM
CWRU Athletics has a new logo.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

I'd like to use it as my avatar, but it has to have its own URL doesn't it?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2006, 08:45:06 PM
It does:
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/images/new/spartan_logo_2color_225.gif

And now you are using it. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 13, 2006, 09:41:59 PM
Thanx Pat

I hope they just added that today, because I searched high and low yesterday to find it.

BTW, there are 2 changes to the '06 schedule.  With Dension adding lights the game is now at 7.  And Ursinus now comes to Cleveland.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/schedule.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 13, 2006, 09:47:46 PM
Ok, I figured out you use properties!  Duh.  Well I'm self taught (by trial and error) in computer things.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 17, 2006, 02:18:15 AM
cwru: Bring back the RedCats! If they were good enough for Warren Lahr, they are are good enough for all comers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 17, 2006, 09:57:07 PM
Frank

The Redcats are all but forgotten.  It was nice to see the "Throwback Weekend" for basketball.  It would be nice to see something similar for football.  Warren Lahr and then the Sun Bowl team.  Now that Case has taken over as name for the whole university, it would be nice if at least the Arts and Sciences College could be Western Reserve College and the medical school made its reputation as Western Reserve, so why not let it keep that name?  Who's ever heard of the Case School of Medicine?  And what are we going to name to honor Eddie Finnigan now?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 17, 2006, 11:35:25 PM
Are Adelbert College and Mather College defunct as current designations?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 18, 2006, 08:19:07 AM
Yes AC and MC are gone.  They and Cleveland College all combined to become Western Reserve College some time ago.  More recently the designation was changed to just the College of Arts and Sciences.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 18, 2006, 09:26:24 AM
As I recall, "Flora Stone Mather" appears in stone above the portal at Ford and Bellflower. Have those words been erased? I doubt that the street name, Adelbert Road, has been changed, but has it?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 18, 2006, 10:28:16 AM
The Mather Arch is just off Euclid near Mather House and the Covenant Church.  The Arch and the House still remain, as do Adelbert Rd, Adelbert Gym, Mather Gym, and Mather Bldg (at Ford and Belleflower).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 18, 2006, 11:52:23 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 22, 2006, 07:41:56 AM
The potential remains for all of CWRU's receiving corps to return.  Dudek and Skolnicki, nominal starters from last year (but not the 2 top receivers), appear to still have eligibility.  Only Minter is not listed as returning, but he wasn't shown on the roster last year either until camp opened.

Only McDowell (2nd team All-UAA) at TE is now listed as returning though, and no promising recruit is reported.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on July 26, 2006, 06:03:06 PM
cwru70, just wanted to make sure you and Frank were behaving...remember, 2's company, 3's a crowd :D  can't wait for the "Fish" Bowl, greatest trophy in college football...btw, i'm all set for the Ignatius game, thanks...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 26, 2006, 06:26:02 PM
Thanx for your concern.  I've thought of asking Pat to just chage this to the CWRU board, but I guess that would violate the "Terms of Service."  There were a couple of CMU posters the season before last.  And UChi has made an appearance a time or two, but it's pretty lonely down here.

Haven't heard from 4u either here or the OAC Board in quite a while.

WUStL hs a preview on its web page.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on July 26, 2006, 06:33:25 PM
i would visit more but "Time won't let me"  :D...maybe it's the "intelligencia quotient"...look out now i will get blasted by the Horde  ;) take care...Iggy is going down in C Town...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 26, 2006, 10:28:51 PM
blast! blast!

the problem with Scotland is that its full of Scots.  Bring me the scrapper!!

No, really, isnt the kid from the University of Chicago supposed to be the real deal at wide receiever.  Maybe he graduated or went to med school or something, but was thinking he returned this year. 

signed,
jAKE, eLWOOD & Mesmer  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 27, 2006, 07:50:19 AM
MacLeod, the WR who got most of the UAA honors was Brad Duesing from WUStL.  He was a Sr last year.  Micha Dawson from UChi was also 1st team UAA and is a Jr.  Or maybe you're just jerking my chain?!

Scotty, you keep reminding you're an "Outsider" here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 27, 2006, 08:19:46 AM
Aaron Lewis, CMU S is D3 pre-season AA.  (and other lists, too)

Any discussion welcome here, even if it is "tongue in cheek."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on July 27, 2006, 05:52:40 PM
cwru70, in all seriousness, the new stadium and surrounding dorms/living quarters were very impressive on our visit last year...what a difference 35 years makes  :)...reminder to any visiting fan, the aluminum bleachers can get a might warm...i promise that i won't "Wait that long" to return...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 27, 2006, 06:45:30 PM
A curious preview for the Spartans.  McDowell and Glicoes who played key roles last year and are on the 2006 roster (which has been updated a couple of times since posted) aren't mentioned in the position by position.  Several players are mentioned at positions different from what's on the roster.  Injuries seem to continue to plague even off-season with Tichar reported lost and Calderone's conditioning hampered.  The non-return of Clint Whittington at OT (started all 10 games) is papered over.  LB is reported a as the "deepest" position, but only 3 are mentioned.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/misc/2006%20pbp.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on July 27, 2006, 06:54:51 PM
with such a thin roster in the key positions, CWRU can only hope that the injuries are "Precious and few"...somebody help me before i hurt myself  :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 29, 2006, 09:59:44 AM
My Google search earlier missed that DB Bobby Bott from Midview was 1st team All Dist in DII.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 09, 2006, 03:07:46 PM
Anybody have any news/updates/previews for University of Chicago?  Chicago plays us @ Elmhurst and they usually have a pretty good fight with EC.  I am happy to see both schools renew the contract for another 4 years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 09, 2006, 06:25:41 PM
Jaybird,  Nothing more than in Reply #131
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 10, 2006, 11:48:41 AM
cwru70--Thanks,  I too have been trying to get information and an idea of UofC.  The "youth" is what struck me about Chicago last year.  A very good bunch of young pups that need to develop.  I expect a good battle this Fall.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 10, 2006, 06:26:29 PM
You might try to e-mail uofcballer (see reply123), but he hasn't checked in here since March.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on August 14, 2006, 12:30:08 PM
Check out this article about a book that CWRU QB Angelo Mirando has put together.  I have known Angelo for years and this ambition, which serves him well on the football field, does not surprise me at all.

http://www.starbeacon.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_220074513
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2006, 01:18:14 PM
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/stats/2006/06_media_guide.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 16, 2006, 09:55:31 PM
Defense clearly is the strength of this team, yet there is not one game photo of a returning defensive player in the media guide?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 29, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
Well, at least this will be more than just a CWRU discussion.  I'm no guru of DIII College ball whatsoever, but at least I will have some different input.  The only question I have at this point is why the UAA technically has 8 schools?????  Are CMU, Chicago, Washington, and CWRU the only ones with football??

By the way, CMU looks good.  Only real weakness may be the D-Line.  Losses from graduation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2006, 06:53:16 PM
Welcome!!!

Rochester also plays football, but 2 years ago decided it made more sense to compete in an Upstate NY conference.  Less travel.

If I'm not mistake of the rest only NYU has had football in recent memory, and even that was many years ago.

Give us a report on CMU's opener if you can.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on August 30, 2006, 07:48:26 PM
Emory never has had intercollegiate football. Brandeis had it until 1959 (the late great [Pro Football HOFer] Benny Friedman was their last coach). Johns Hopkins at one time was a member of the UAA and continues to have it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2006, 05:34:37 PM
Frank

You beat me to my correction.  I did discover Brandeis' team when I checked sources, not my memory.  Hopkins was infact a charter member.  I shold note that Rochester decision, like CWRU's decision to leave the NCAC, was precipitatead by their other conference's expansion precluding dual scheduling.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 02, 2006, 07:06:33 PM
Oh, I wondered because the programs show eight UAA schools. 

CMU beat Hiram in their opener 27-6.  The field was slop and it took a while for either team to find their rythm, but CMU basically had their way with the Terriers.  I think Syvek had 100+ yds and a score.  The defense really played well for CMU too.  And I got a good look at CMU's youth on that side of the ball.

How did CWRU do in their opener?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2006, 11:36:47 PM
CWRU edged Oberlin 29-23 in OT.  Last loss to the Yeomen was in 1982, but the last several years have been close.

Word is Angelo Mirando still has residuals from last year's injuries.  He started. but was ineffective in the first half.  FR QB Dan Whalen led a comeback from 11 pts down in the 2nd half.  He was 13-20-0 for 231 yds and 2 TDs and also rushed for 28 and the winning score.  Expect him to start next week at Denison.

Leading receiver Tim Cowdrick (Fr-Mentor), whose 7 catches all came in the 2nd half, had back surgery in the summer of 2005 after falling four stories from a building in a construction accident.  Joe Brenner was the #2 receiver and also started at DB, where he had 3 tackles and a pass beak-up.  No word in the broadcast on the absence of Scott Moyer.

C Tom Zagorski amd G Joe Tichar also were unable to play. 

The defense continued last year's theme of being the antithesis of "break-don't-bend."  They were contain, contain, contain, ..., then give up a big play, a 53 yd screen pass and an 86 yard rush.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 03, 2006, 03:49:43 PM
It sounds like you have some very young and explosive players on Offense.

Kind of similar to CMU's D-line.  All but one D-lineman who saw the field yesterday were Sophomores or younger including my younger brother.  They did well.  They did what they were supposed to in a 3-4 defense, they contained the O-Line and allowed CMU's LB's to make plays.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2006, 09:45:42 AM
The Spartan offense did two things they were only able to do once last year.  They had over 400 yds total offense and "won" the second half.

Whalen's 230 yds were more than CWRU managed in each of seven games last year.

Take away those two big plays and Oberlin only had 160 yds.  They managed only 12 first downs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 04, 2006, 07:52:12 PM
I did happen to see that the UAA got of to a good start as every team except Chicago played and won.  Interesting to see that Case and CMU both start the season with back-to-back road games.  A scheduling change caused this for CMU as they played at Grove City last year where they will travel once again this coming weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2006, 09:23:38 PM
Last year CMU beat Hiram 45-0.  I know the field was a quagmire this time, but .... one wonders.

Each UAA team has to show something this week. 

CWRU opened at home.  The Spartans go to GCC later in the season.  That's our only common non-conference opponent.

The Lazindex has UAA as #1 Conf in parity in D3 and 4th overall.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 03:31:16 PM
just looking in on you 2 boys, goodnight Wally, goodnight Beaver...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2006, 10:14:17 PM
If only..good night John Boy, Jason, etc.  Hey at least I found some one to discourse with!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 07, 2006, 07:41:37 PM
Not much support for the Spartans on the NCAC pick-em.  Most are taking Denison and 3.5.  Last year's game was 20-6 and CWRU shut down Denison's passing game which was the bulk of their offense last week.  Maybe they're counting on the new field factor.  Or maybe they're looking for 2004 deja vu.  That year a back-up QB came of the bench to lead a comeback against Oberlin.  He got the start against Denison, but was ineffective and CWRU was in a 22-0 hole in the first half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 07, 2006, 08:01:56 PM
cwru70, alas i went with Denison...hard to go with the "Intelligencia" of your school...no offense...as always, karma is appreciated...signed...Sonny Geraci...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 07, 2006, 09:05:50 PM
No offense taken (unless you meant no OFF-ense), I would have taken Oberlin and the points last week.  Oberlin had covered in regulation.  Just further reason why points scored in overtime shouldn't count.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2006, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 07, 2006, 07:41:37 PM
Not much support for the Spartans on the NCAC pick-em.  Most are taking Denison and 3.5.  Last year's game was 20-6 and CWRU shut down Denison's passing game which was the bulk of their offense last week.  Maybe they're counting on the new field factor.  Or maybe they're looking for 2004 deja vu.  That year a back-up QB came of the bench to lead a comeback against Oberlin.  He got the start against Denison, but was ineffective and CWRU was in a 22-0 hole in the first half.

I'm not sold on Denison at all.  A loss to Randolph-Macon last week is less than awe-inspiring.  If Case has any kind of talent at all they should win this game and cover 3.5 points.

Unfortunately (at least for the NCAC), that last sentence applies to half of the teams in our conference.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2006, 09:39:45 PM
And what's the shame in CWRU being a middle of the pack NCAC team?

Of late the support for CWRU has picked up in the pick-'em.  Cause and effect?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 08, 2006, 09:55:23 PM
'Boo knocking the CWRU tradition. Hooray it even being mentioned."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2006, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 08, 2006, 09:39:45 PM
And what's the shame in CWRU being a middle of the pack NCAC team?

No shame in it, but my point is, it wouldn't take much to be a middle of the pack club, because the bottom feeders are just not competitive on an annual basis. 

I would have no problem swapping the UAA schools for Hiram, Oberlin, Denison, and Earlham.  I think it would improve the conference considerably. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2006, 10:43:16 PM
CWRU tradition...won the first NCAC football championship.  Of course that was before Witt and "Bash.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2006, 03:59:01 PM
CMU 28 GCC 0  Impressive win! Chicago also wins big.

I'm off to Granville soon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 09, 2006, 05:25:11 PM
Chicago beat Concordia (IL) 55-0.  Not sure how impressive that is.  Concordia did play in week one, defeating Blackburn 13-3.  In the past seven seasons, Concordia has been at best 2-8 and at worst 0-10.

But a win is still a great way to start the season.  Chicago ran 58 times for 416 yards and passed for 194 yards.  The defense held Concordia to 79 total yards.  Junior Nick Schey ran 25 times for 191 yards while sophomore Chuck Little ran 17 times for 134 yards. 

Maroons are at Elmhurst next week.  The Blue Jays are off this week after beating Benedictine 34-0 last week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2006, 11:04:51 PM
Welcome Martin

Keep us informed of what's happening in the Windy City.

Next week will be a better measuring stick for the Maroons.

WUStL winning big also.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
Dan Whalen was impressive at QB.  CWRU has 3  very different RBs to share time.  The Sr Rosenbury is a big back, straight-uo, between the tackles runner, the transfer Checkan is a bowling ball bruiser, and the Fr Meyer is a speedy outside threat.

This game had 2 rare occurrences.  Tom Brew had 2 sacks for safeties (set up by Brian Calderone punts inside the 5) and Joe Brenner had both an interception and at TD reception.

And then there was the player who was in jersey and shorts on the sideline who is in the box score as participating in the game.

Of the 3 best O Linemen (based upon UAA honors), 2 have yet to play a down this year and one sat out the whole 2nd half with an ice pack on his knee.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 10, 2006, 01:03:53 AM
CMU's defense played one whale of a game and the offense was on cruise control.  The only two times GCC threatened CMU's D caused a fumble.  The second of which was on the CMU 1 yd line and then the offense proceeded to go 99 yds for a TD. 

I have to admit CMU is looking much better than last year at this time.  A lot more sustained drives that eat up clock and score points.  They look good.  I don't know what kind of test Westminster will give them next week but 2-0 is nice.  Here is a link for the CMU/GCC game.

www.cmu.edu/athletic/football/headlines/2006/grovecity.htm

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 10, 2006, 01:21:45 AM
UAA is 7-0 after 2 weeks.  Not bad.  I think Wash has the toughest game next week - plays at Wheaton.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 03:37:33 PM
While Chicago's 55-0 explosion is very impressive,  CUC is not the same caliber as Elmhurst or the other 7 teams in the CCIW.  CUC is going to face a very strong, very quick, and very aggressive Bluejays' defense next week.  Elmhurst owns a 3-1 series advantage and have won the last 3 meetings.
I think the Chicago Offense vs. Elmhurst Defense is going to be an intriguing matchup. 
Washington is going to have their hands full with Wheaton.  I was up in the booth for the Albion/Wheaton game, and the first thing that came to mind was... how strong Wheaton's D-Line (in particular Andy Studebaker) was.  I don't think this game is as close as the Chicago/Elmhurst game will be.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2006, 06:32:12 PM
And CWRU has a test the following week at Wooster.

CMU doesn't really have a test before UAA play.  Although based on the win over W&L, F&M may be better than its ranking.

CWRU will go as far as its defense and banged up OL can take it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 10, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
Jaybird -

I did not mean to imply that the Maroons would be a favorite of any sort over the Blue Jays.  I would say that Elmhurst is the favorite.  But I think that Wheaton is a bigger favorite over Wash U. 

I don't know how potent the Chicago offense is.  When you are able to run like they did against Concordia (IL) (as opposed to Concordia (WI) which beat North Central in OT), it is hard to say how much is your strength and how much is your opponent's weakness.

Last year, UofC lost its first four games, including a home loss 21-17 to Elmhurst.  Chicago won its final five games (they only play 9 - UofC is on quarters and does not want that much activity before school starts in two weeks).  Those five wins were keyed by the defense which allowed only 23 points in the five games.  Yesterday, Concordia had -8 yards rushing and 87 yards passing for 79 total yards.  I think the key is how strong is Chicago defensively.

If anyone says that UofC stole the Bears logo, I am sure you will correct them and tell them it was the other way around.  Pro football was so lacking in public appeal that George Halas took the Chicago "C" and the colors of UofIllinois (Orange and Blue).  College football was the game and Halas sought to identify the Bears with it.  When UofC dropped football in 1939, there was some thought to going professional and making the Bears the university's football team.  William McNeill talks about it in "Hutchins' University."  I think it would have been a good idea - get rid of the shamateurism of big time college sports.

As it was, football was gone until 1969.  The Bears took the Maroons nickname ("Monsters of the Midway"), their coach (Clark Shaughnessy), and the t-formation.  In 1940, the Bears used the t-formation to beat the Washington Redskins 73-0 in the NFL Championship Game, revolutionizing pro football and  launching the modern era.

Another UofC/NFL link - the Arizona Cardinals were once the Chicago Cardinals.  The Chicago Cardinals bought a used set of faded maroon jerseys from UofC.  The jersey color was called cardinal red giving the team its nickname.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 08:38:39 PM
Martin,  you are right on two accounts.  I agree Elmhurst would be the odds on favorite, however the Maroons have won 6 in a row (dating back to last year)  and have the momentum high on offense.  This should be a good battle between a strong Maroon Offense and a strong Elmhurst D-Line.  I look forward to it Saturday.  Are you going to the game?

You are also right about the Chicago C.  I believe (not 100% sure)  that AA Stagg developed the Chicago C  by taking a football, cutting it in half, and then shaping the C into what we see on the Bear's helmets today. 
Very neat story and described thorougly by Dave Hilbert in the Chicago programs.  BTW,  Dave and the Uof C's football programs have received numerous awards for best productions.

I play the song "Wave the Flag"  on the piano which is Chicago's fight song and played after every Maroon home win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 10:04:08 PM
re:  U of Chicago's logo
You guys are correct.  A.A. Stagg developed it and first used at U of C; everyone else has "borrowed" it.  Very similar to the U of Mich winged logo.  Developed by Coach Fritz Crysler back in the '30's and originally so the QB's (or passers) could easily identify the receivers down field.  Anyway, although it is still early, looks like U of C may be on track to have a great year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AUPepBand on September 10, 2006, 10:33:37 PM
Quote from: martin on September 10, 2006, 07:10:21 PM

Another UofC/NFL link - the Arizona Cardinals were once the Chicago Cardinals.  The Chicago Cardinals bought a used set of faded maroon jerseys from UofC.  The jersey color was called cardinal red giving the team its nickname.


Alfred University grad Les Goble suited up with the Chicago Cardinals back in the '50s. In fact, googling Goble with the Chicago Cardinals resulted in a 1955 Beckett stock photo of Goble (the card spells his name Gobel) in said red uniform. While wearing cardinal red, Goble returned a kickoff 92 yards for a TD. While wearing the purple and gold, he did even better.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 11, 2006, 12:36:45 AM
UofC does not attribute the "C" logo to Stagg or use the sliced football story.  This is from page 50 of the football media guide which you can get at:
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/football/fb-program-2006.pdf

The "C" Logo
The University of Chicago athletics emblem underwent several changes during the institution's early years. The first football team in 1892 – the year the university opened – sported no recognizable emblem on its uniforms. In an effort to provide the team with an identity, the letters "UC" were cut out of brown paper and pasted on the players' uniforms. In the spring of 1893, the emblem was modified into the form of a monogram that was worn by the baseball team. A single letter was used for the first time in 1894 when the football and track squads displayed an oblong "C" on their uniforms.  That emblem remained in existence until 1897 when it was replaced by a "C" in large, round type. Then in 1898, Maroon teams adopted the Chicago "C" emblem,  which has been worn to the present day.

Stagg did pick the color maroon for the teams.  When the school opened, its official color was goldenrod (i.e. yellow).  Stagg did not like the "regrettable symbolism" of yellow.

There is a book by Robin Lester - "Stagg's University - The Rise, Decline and Fall of Big Time Football at Chicago."  I don't think it is well written but the story is fascinating.  The most interesting thing is that little has really changed in big time collegiate athletics since the inception.  The story of the football great Walter Eckersall is the same one told at many campuses many times since.  From the UofC alumni magazine -

'Just as he shone on the gridiron, "Eckie" struggled in the classroom. That he didn't flunk out entirely can be partly credited to the kindness of some of his professors who were also noted friends of Stagg's athletic program. When Eckersall's eligibility to play expired in 1906, such generosity was abruptly withdrawn. His official transcript bluntly states, "Mr. Eckersall is not to be permitted to register in the Univ. again--for cause." '

You can read the whole story, "Legends of the Fall" at:
http://magazine.uchicago.edu/9510/October95Legends.html

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2006, 07:16:46 AM
Great history guys...and in the present CMU gets 2 votes in the D3 poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 01:50:18 PM
maritn:
Thanks for the clarification and follow-up on the history at U of C.  Certainly, the U of C media guide and the administrators of that regarding  the history of the logo, et al you relate is the official history.  However, I would just add, if I may, that there are some sources from Stagg's time that do attribute the C logo to him.  Stagg visited Alma College back in about 1902, speaking at their athletic banquet, and the program/yearbook of the year mentions that he was responsible for the "C", with regard to the the awarding of letters, etc.  If the official Chicago archives do not have anything regarding this, then certainly the writer (at Alma) was wrong.  A lot of hyperbole back then in writing styles to say the least.  Yet, there are past football historians and published aspects that have attributed this to Stagg.  I've had the opportunity several years ago to view some of that material, but admittedly cannot relate to you anything about this topic per se as I was not looking for that specifically.  Regardless, Stagg was indeed responsible for many developments in the game along those lines and among those you have nicely related for us.  Thanks again for the info.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 01:52:34 PM
Addendum:  The material I had the opportunity to review which I was referring to is the archives at U of C and the library regarding the football history.  Doesn't matter, however. ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 11, 2006, 09:13:21 PM
Interesting......while you guys are discussing U of C I will actually be in Chicago with my Grandfather to go to the Greek Consolate
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2006, 09:42:01 PM
BDTartan... even that clue doesn't help identify your brother.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2006, 07:47:55 AM
While upclose I really like the new CWRU logo, from a distance it almost looks like PacMan.

It still beats the University's "fat man carrying surfboard" logo.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2006, 03:19:15 PM
Interesting stat of last week.  CMU was 7 for 9 passing in first quarter; 3 for 4 the rest of the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 04:52:33 PM
BDTartan:

Don't know how your time schedule will be, however, if you get a chance, you should try and squeeze in a visit to U of C and their football museum at Bartlett Hall with the original Heisman Trophy (Jay Berwanger) and Stagg "stuff".  Wouldn't take long, but a worthwhile visit.  I'm assuming all that is still kept at Barlett Hall, unless they've moved it to the new Athletic building.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 12, 2006, 06:45:51 PM
Bartlett Hall is now a dining facility - no longer a gym.  The UofC Athletic HOF and related memorabilia are now at the Ratner Center.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 12, 2006, 07:58:57 PM
it's getting way too crowded here...i must seek a quieter abode...if time will let me...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 08:25:52 PM
martin:

Thanks for the update.  I thought perhaps that they had moved the collections to the RC - it has been a few years since I've visited U of C.  Bartlett Hall - a great old historic building - a dining hall now, well, at least they have kept it and not torn it down.   

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 08:29:01 PM
Addendum:

BTW, martin, do you think U of C will ever put in the new style synthetic turf?  I'm surprised with the recent renovations and expansion of their athletic facilities that they didn't put that in.  Just curious.  Also, I've always like that they kept a set of the old Stagg Stadium doors for the entry gate to the current New Stagg Field - nice touch.  Too bad they don't add more such as iron fencing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 12, 2006, 09:57:41 PM
My Great-Grandfather was a Chicago Alum and went to many Big 10 games.  He was a DDS.
Chicago is filled with many "antiques" and history throughout the University, and not just sports/athletics wise.
Ah yes,  the original Stagg doors is something special.  When  you walk through the gates, you can feel the history and envision what it was like for Jay Berwanger to win the Heisman on that same soil.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 12, 2006, 11:17:39 PM
But why was the original Stagg Field bulldozed rather than renovated?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 13, 2006, 12:12:14 PM
Frank -

Probably because a gym can be turned into a dining facility but it would be hard to make a decrepit old stadium into a library.

I am not sure when the stands at Stagg Field were torn down.  Someone told me in the late 1950's.  Others say they were still standing until work began on Regenstein Library.  Planning for the Reg began in 1964, site work began in 1967, official ground breaking in 1968 and the library opened in 1970.

Stagg Field is probably most famous for being the site (under the West Stand) of the first sustained nuclear reaction in Dec 1942.  The project was moved to New Mexico - I think they were afraid of blowing up most of Chicago.  The stand was already in disrepair - as you can see in this picture:
http://www.mbe.doe.gov/me70/history/met_lab.htm

Chicago dropped football in 1939.  It returned in 1969 - during construction of the library.  But Stagg Field was used for other sports - including baseball.  There is a great collection of pictures from the visits of Waseda University (Japan) to Chicago at:
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=25550

Chicago and Waseda played a lot - both in Chicago and Japan - from 1910 to 1933.  In Chicago, the games were played at Marshall Field (renamed Stagg Field in 1915).  Stagg himself is in a couple of the pictures.  Also in some of the pictures is Pat Page, a basketball HOFer.  Here is his bio from the Chicago Hall of Fame.

Harlan (Pat) Page was the first Chicago athlete to star on Big Ten Conference championship teams in three sports.  He was an end on the Chicago Big Ten football title teams on 1907 and 1908, a guard on the Maroon Big Ten champion basketball teams from 1908-10, and a pitcher on the Chicago Big Ten champion baseball squad in 1909.  He returned to his alma mater as head baseball and basketball coach and led the Maroons to Big Ten titles in both sports.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 13, 2006, 12:26:57 PM
Former3db -

Stagg Field is being renovated.  This from the facilities page:

The Stagg Field outdoor track and field will be closed from June 27 - September 30, 2006. During this time, the track and field will be a restricted area - access will be prohibited. Renovation work in this area will include the track being releveled and resurfaced, and the field being converted to an artificial sports turf field. This project will be completed in phases over the next 14 months with an anticipated completion date of September 1, 2007.

I think the track will be done this month and work on the field will begin after the football season.  Longer term plans include a new parking structure - probably wiping out the tennis courts on Cottage Grove.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2006, 06:09:03 PM
I love that we have posts on here today and NCAC has none on its board (well maybe on the pick-'em).  Go UAA!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 13, 2006, 06:13:04 PM
stop gloating  :(
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2006, 06:30:01 PM
Did I mention that CWRU is 2-0 v NCAC (soon to be 3-0)?

Just trying to encourage continued discussion here.  We've still got a long way to go to catch even MIAA's posts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 13, 2006, 06:33:55 PM
like the little old lady who peed in the river...every little bit helps  :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 13, 2006, 06:37:24 PM
Back from Chicago finally.  Driving is a bear in and around the city.  But I am from a small town in central Ohio so it may just be me, but some of the signs were confusing.  We made it though.

Formerd3db - We drove around U of C but never really checked it out.  Wanted to see the locale for when the Tartans go there in 07.

CWRU70 - If you wanted me to identify my brother, all you had to do is ask.  My brothers name is Clay Crites.  6'1" 235 DL from Tuscarawas, OH.

Yeah, and CMU is also 2-0 and soon to be 3-0 unless they underestimate Westminster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2006, 07:56:15 PM
martin:

Thanks for the additional info.  Glad the renovations are in progress.  Also, I could be wrong, however, I believe that the old Stagg Stadium was taken down in 1957.  There is a photo of that in progress in the book "The Idea of the University of Chicago" as I recall, but I don't have my copy right in front of me and/or accessable right now.  I can check it out and let everyone know in the near future... "just for the record". ;D

BDTartan:

Yes, the driving is crazy in Chicago.  But glad you had a safe trip.  You can visit the Athletic archives and Heisman when your team goes there next year as you mention!

jaybird:
Indeed a lot of great history.

frank and martin:
Jesse Harper, ND's coach right after his Wabash and Alma stints (Alma 1907 and 1908) played for Stagg at U of C.  Just one of many former players who went on to the coaching ranks as you mention.  Anyway, thanks everyone for sharing the interesting info.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 13, 2006, 09:45:24 PM
Augh,  the driving in Chicago's not too bad.  :o

Where else can you hop  on the expressway during rush hour and reach your destination 2 hrs later.  :P
I avoid the expressways as much as possible and NEVER  during rush hrs.
I took this right out of my "25 of the best College Football Marches"  piano book:
UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO
The World's Fair of 1893 brought visitors from far and near to the Midway Plaisance... a broad, tree-lined drive on Chicago's South Side.  Many rode on the giant Ferris Wheel.  Others saw "Little Egypt" do her famous dance.  And some went to look at the few scattered limestone buildings of the new University of Chicago along the north side of the Midway.  There, unperturbed by the excitement, William Rainey Harper, the University's 1st President, worked long and hard on his plans for the youngest of the world's great universities.
Although barely a year old, Chicago had already gained international recognition, largely because John D. Rockefeller's generous financial support and the original ideas and enthusiasm President Harper who introduced many educational innovations now taken for granted:  a 4 quarter system, coeducation at all levels, women faculty members, a Press as part of the University, the Junior College, and a full-time Medical Program (Doc Todd  ;D )
The new University's faculty glittered with illustrious scholars.  9 were former Presidents of other colleges and universities.  Physicist Albert A. Michelson was to become America's 1st Nobel Prize Winner, and in succeeding years the list of other Nobel Prize Winners at the University lengthened steadily:  Robert A. Millikan, Dr. Alexis Carrel, Arthur Holly Compton, James Franck, Enrico Fermi, and Harold C. Urey.
During WWII, the University took over the basic scientific research necessary to build an atom bomb.  In an old squash court under the West stands of Stagg Field, a group of scientists directed by Enrico Fermi, built an atomic pile and on 12/2/42 achieved the world's first self-sustained nuclear chain reaction...thereby introducing the Atomic Age.  At the war's end the University, anxious to retain the distinguished scientists assembled to work on the atomic pile, organized the Institutes for Basic Research.
Wave the Flag can still be heard after winning Maroon athletic events.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 12:14:21 AM
Yes, Rockefeller was a robber baron but gained redemption in small part by endowing the great University of Chicago. Would that all robber barons have done similarly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 14, 2006, 12:53:57 AM
I know I am a rookie, but I didn't know this was a history lesson.  We have 8 months of off-season to talk history.  Let's talk some football.  I happened to notice on the UAA home page that CMU has had a Co-Defensive POW each of the first two weeks and I believe CWRU has had POWs each of the first 2 weeks.  And the running back from Chicago had a huge day at Concordia.  4 TD's and nearly 200 yds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 14, 2006, 01:12:42 AM
BD Tartan - Don't complain - just post and start a discussion.  We talked about some of those issues earlier this week.  We got bored and began to amuse ourselves.  We can multitask and do many things at once - even talk football and history at the same time.  A UAA board should be at least as erudite as the CCIW boards - which have more (and better) post than all the other boards combined.  Hang around there (basketball more so than football) and see how a good board works.

You also seem to be lazy.  You complain that we did not talk about the UAA Athletes of the week - but could not be bothered to name them.  So here they are:

Offense
* Nick Schey (Chicago): The junior tailback scored a school-record tying four rushing touchdowns in leading the Maroons to a season-opening 55-0 win over Concordia University (IL).  Schey scored on a pair of two-yard runs, a three-yard carry, and a nine-yard run to become only the third Chicago modern era (since 1969) running back to score four times in a game.  On the day, Schey gained 191 yards on 25 carries for his fifth 100-yard effort in his last six games, dating back to 2005.

Defense
* Jonathan Bodnar (Carnegie Mellon): The junior outside linebacker made 10 tackles and forced a fumble at the one-yard line with 4:15 remaining in the third quarter to help solidify a  28-0 shutout over Grove City College.  Bodnar and the Tartan defense held the host Wolverines to 157 yards on offense.

* Tom Brew (Case): The senior linebacker registered a pair of safeties on quarterback sacks in leading the Spartans to a 27-14 victory at Denison University, to improve to 2-0 on the season.  Brew also led the team in tackles with 10.

Special Teams
* Brian Calderone (Case): The sophomore averaged 39.9 yards on nine punts, including a long of 56 yards, as the Spartans defeated host Denison University, 27-14.  Two of his punts put Denison inside their two-yard line, setting up a pair of Spartan safeties.


Other Top Performances

* Gaby Fernandez  (Chicago): The junior linebacker led the Chicago defense in holding Concordia University (IL) to minus-8 yards rushing and 87 yards passing in a season-opening 55-0 victory.  Fernandez collected two tackles-for-loss, one sack, and an interception as Maroons held the opposition to fewer than 10 points for the sixth straight game dating back to 2005.

* Robert Gimson (Carnegie Mellon): The junior running back was successful on every carry earning 140 yards on 14 attempts in the Tartans 28-0 victory over Grove City College. He had a long run of 54 yards and found a huge hole for a 13-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter to extend the Tartan lead to 22-0.

* Chaz Moody (Washington): The senior punter averaged 40 yards per punt on five kicks in the Bears' 61-0 win over Westminster College (MO). Moody recorded a long of 44 yards and pinned the Blue Jays inside their 20-yard-line on three occasions. He also kicked off ten times, holding the opponent to an average of the 23-yard line for drive starts.

* Jon Scholl (Carnegie Mellon): The junior made three punt returns for 52 yards, including one for 35 yards to the opponent's 18-yard line to set up the Tartans last scoring drive in a 28-0 triumph over Grove City College.

* Drew Wethington (Washington): The senior made three tackles, including 1.5 tackles for lost yardage, and an interception return for a touchdown in the Bears 61-0 win over Westminster College (MO). Wethington and the Bears' defensive unit held the Blue Jays to 93 yards of total offense, marking the second consecutive game the Bears has held their opponent under 100 yards.

* Dan Whalen (Case): The rookie quarterback completed 17 of 32 passes for 221 yards and three touchdowns as Case improved to 2-0 on the year with a 27-14 win at Denison University .
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 14, 2006, 01:16:12 AM
Frank -

I am sure to anger BD but here are some more robber baron schools: Stanford, Duke (some good from all those lung cancer deaths), Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon (a merger of two robber baron schools), the Case part of CWRU.

This process is still going on today.  The most important force in biomedical research is the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.  It got all of the aviator's money - the endowment of HHMI is not $15 billion.  And Bill Case is giving away his (and Warren Buffet's) money - much of it to education.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 14, 2006, 01:20:53 AM
To make BD really happy, here are the UAA Athletes of the Week from week 1:

Football — Offense

Dan Whalen  —  Case Western Reserve University  —  Willoughby, OH (Willoughby South)

Freshman quarterback Dan Whalen of Case Western Reserve University passed for 231 yards and accounted for the winning score on a one-yard run in overtime to lead the Spartans to a 29-23 season-opening win over Oberlin College.  Making his collegiate debut in the second-half, Whalen completed 13 of 20 passes, throwing for a pair of touchdowns, and ran the ball 10 times for 28 yards.  He was instrumental in a game-tying 13 play, 71 yard drive, completing four of eight passes for 52 yards and running four times for 23 yards.


Football — Defense

Jamie Ploetzner  —  Carnegie Mellon University  —  Rathdrum, ID (Lakeland)

Senior linebacker Jamie Ploetzner of Carnegie Mellon University registered a game-high nine total tackles, including three solo and a tackle for lost yardage, in helping the Tartans to a 27-6 win over Hiram College.  Ploetzner and the defense, which held Hiram to 167 yards of offense, stopped an early scoring drive by the Terriers on fourth-and-one from the Carnegie 36-yard line midway through the first quarter.

Drew Wethington  —  Washington University  —  Dexter, MO (Dexter)

Senior defensive lineman Drew Wethington of Washington University made a team-high eight tackles, including five tackles for lost yardage, as the Bears posted their sixth consecutive win on the road with a 21-6 triumph over Lake Forest College.  Wethington led a defense that held Lake Forest to 98 yards of total offense.


Football — Special Teams

Brian Calderone  —  Case Western Reserve University  —  Brecksville, OH (Brecksville/Broadview Heights)

Sophomore kicker Brian Calderone of Case Western Reserve University kicked three field goals, including a game-tying 26-yard attempt with 21 seconds left in regulation, in helping the Spartans to a season-opening 29-23 win in overtime over Oberlin College.  Calderone also connected from 20 and 29 yards out in the second quarter.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 06:43:21 AM
martin: Wasn't Amasa Stone a railroad robber baron (but not to the degree that Commodore Vanderbilt was) - he lived in the robber baron era? Eight tackles for losses by a DL during a single game is truly unusual!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2006, 08:30:33 AM
Martin - I don't recall Leonard Case's "robber baron" past.  I'm sure we Redcats would have made something of it if we had known.

Frank - Those without WRU connections might not know that Stone was a WRU benefactor.  And supposedly WRU turned down Rocefeller's endowment, before it went to Chicago.  Not sure the reasons had to do with any stain attached to the cash though.  Campus is next to Rockefeller Park after all.  Not to dimish the effort, but Wethington (DE) had 8 tackles, 5 for loss.  And WUStL's defense has a 4 man front.  Those DE's are often much like OLB's in a 3-4.  Again, still a great accomplishment.

And for my part, any UAA discussion is welcome.  We're still way more "on task" than some of the boards.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 14, 2006, 10:35:40 AM
CWRU - The Case who actually gave the money (Leonard Case Jr.) was not a robber baron.  His father (Leonard Case Sr.) was the robber baron who actually made the money that junior gave away.  From the CWRU Visiting Case page:
"The elder Mr. Case had begun life as a farmer, but turned to the study of mathematics, surveying and law after an illness that left him permanently crippled. He became a banker and railroad promoter and over time amassed what was then the largest fortune in Cleveland."

The whole thing is at:
http://www.case.edu/visit/history/case.html

Interesting to see another freshman QB from Ohio do well in his first game.  I hope the young Mr. Whalen stays at CWRU and does not suffer from the swollen head that Nathan Szep had after his outstanding freshman year at Wash.  I know Szep left Wash to try to walk on at Ohio State.  He seems to have disappeared.  Did his football career end after his one year in St. Louis?

I listed the robber baron schools quickly and off the top of my head.  I am sure there are many more.  I did not know that Amasa Stone helped found the WR part of CWRU. 

Evidently Amasa was a common name in the 19th century.  Biblical names are big today for babies so maybe Amasa will make a comeback.

The founding benefactor of Stanford was Amasa Leland Stanfrod.  The school is actually named for his son who died as a teenager - Leland Stanford Junior.  The school's official name is the LSJ University.  The infamous Stanford band is the LSJUMB - which they say as the Leland Stanford Junior (Pause) University Marching Band, just to make sure the Junior goes with the name and not the university.

Senior was president of the Central Pacific Railroad and hammered in the golden spike at Promontory, Utah, completing the transcontinental railroad.  When Stanford dropped the Indians nickname in 1972, the students voted overwhelming to adopt "Robber Barons" as the new nickname.  The school vetoed that idea and went with Cardinal.


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 01:58:19 PM
martin: Strictly speeking Amasa Stone did not found Western Reserve University, but about 1860 he offered $600,00 to the University if it would move to Cleveland from Hudson Ohio. It did. At one time (I believe until the merger with Case Tech) WRU's men's undergraduate college was called Adelbert, the first name of Stone's son, and the women's undergraduate college was called Flora Stone Mather, his daughter's married name. One of the streets running through the CWRU campus is Adelbert Road. Incidentally when WRU moved to Cleveland, it left its campus in Hudson to its college preparatory academy, Western Reserve Academy, which today is independent of CWRU, has its own large endowment, still functions as a prep school and continues to be situated there. cwru, please feel free to correct my errors in history. martin, are you still awake?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 14, 2006, 05:23:00 PM
this is better than the History Channel...how do i subscribe...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 06:05:44 PM
Stay tuned - no charge.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2006, 07:00:46 PM
Whalen has an arm.  Most impressive was a bull's-eye bullet, while scrambling, from about the left hash to the right sideline 25 yds downfield.  Szep indeed apparently gave up the game once he got to OSU.

The former WRU men's teams competed as Adelbert College of CWRU from 67-69 (and perhaps until 70-71 in BB).  Frank, the administration prefers to refer to the conjoining as a federation.  And there is the Amasa (affectionately referred to as "Massive") Stone Chapel on Euclid Ave
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 07:09:37 PM
cwru: Forgive me. I haven't lived in Greater Cleveland since 1969 and not in the University Circle area since 1956. My 71 year old memory is a little lacking.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 14, 2006, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 07:09:37 PM
cwru: Forgive me. I haven't lived in Greater Cleveland since 1969 and not in the University Circle area since 1956. My 71 year old memory is a little lacking.

at your age, would you mind posting a little quicker...so little time, so much to learn...btw, where did you grow up in Ohio...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2006, 07:53:06 PM
Frank...nothing to forgive.  Your history was right on.  I just added some more recent info. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 14, 2006, 07:54:41 PM
i feel like i am intruding...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2006, 09:13:22 PM
You do bring up the "Outsiders."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 14, 2006, 09:31:23 PM
scotty: No problem. I grew up in Cleveland. Almost on the WRU campus. On Bellflower Road  literally between the Beta house (long demolished) and the Phi Gam house (still standing and still the Phi Gam house). When I was 5 the Betas gave me a genuine Beta ring - wish I had it today - don't know where it went. When I was 10, delivered The Cleveland Press to the fraternity houses on Bellflower, among other places. Dropped a subscription off at the Deke house (also long demolished) two doors down from my house on the the northeast corner of the intersection of Bellflower and Ford Drive - handed it once or twice to Warren Lahr sitting on the Deke front porch. If you don't know who Lahr is and if you are curious, google "warren lahr football". Best player WRU or Case or CWRU or Baldwin-Wallace or John Carroll ever had - Pro HOF quality - deserves to be there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 15, 2006, 12:22:51 PM
Martin - Forgive me if I seem lazy, but I felt that posting all the info as you did would do little do stir "football" discussion and I was more or less right.  I was trying to get some people talking about it, not just hand them the whole enchilada and then taking it back and eating it as you did.  I by no means want to get under anyone's skin about this, but the fact is - I have no history to tell you, I don't go to any of these schools I am just a fan of my brother, who plays for CMU.  I don't mind learning about history, but that seems to be all I have been reading on here for a while.  Oh Well!!

Who is everyone playing this weekend.  I know CMU is at home against Westminster.

Anybody else???
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2006, 01:38:58 PM
BDTartan:
I can understand your point.  At times, we have the same problem over on the MIAA board.  On the other hand, I will submit, that while the main intent at least during the season is to have discussion about the actual football activities going, this site (all the boards and categories) is/are also for the history of the game associated with the small colleges.  Those topics are all relevant; besides, your site and ours can use the discussions/posts as we're way behind the other boards! ;)

Moreover, IMO, more of our colleagues (and that includes everyone from fans to players, alumni, etc., etc.) and especially the young players/and former players should know more about the traditions and history of the small schools (although keeping in mind that we do like to encourage current players and coaches to observe the "unwritten etiquette rule" about not posting during the season ::)).  Unfortunately, too many of them have no idea about this, which I personally think is disappointing; but then again, to each his own.  Nonetheless, as I mentioned, at least this has generated some discussion on your board, but again, you are right it would be even better if more of your UAA colleagues would contribute some football discussion about the current season for their teams.

P.S. I know you guys temporarily lost one faithful and regular poster on here at least for the football in-season as he is currently serving as the head varsity football coach for a high school this season!   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 15, 2006, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 14, 2006, 09:13:22 PM
You do bring up the "Outsiders."

only when "time will let me"...btw, did Sam Shepherd attend CWRU...i know Ernie Anderson aka Ghoulardi did but wasn't sure abour Dr Sam...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 15, 2006, 03:05:12 PM
BD Tartan - Sorry for jumping on you so hard.  My main point is that it is up to you as a poster to try to get the discussion going.  So post on what interests you rather than criticizing others for not posting on subjects that interest you.

As it is, the UAA boards are not very active so anything that promotes some activity is good.

That being the case - WELCOME SCOTTY!!! You are not intruding.  If this board really gets going, maybe Greg Sager, Diehardfan and othe HOFers will drop in.

Tomorrows (Sept 16, 2006) Games:

Kenyon (1-1) at CWRU (2-0) 6pm
I would make CWRU a 10 point favorite - it will be interesting to follow Dan Whalen's progress.  He came in the second half of the Oberlin game and led CWRU to the comeback OT win, despite fumbling away the ball on his first play.  Any chance that the Angelo Mirando, who started most of 2005 (when not injured) after transferring from Div 1AA Valaparaiso will reclaim the QB job?

Westminster (0-1) at CMU (2-0) noon
I think CMU should get by Westminster.  I make them a 10 point favorite also.  Maybe 17.

Washington (2-0) at Wheaton (1-0) 1pm
Wheaton is ranked #25 in this week's poll.  The Thunder thumped a pretty good Albion team 29-10, holding Albion to 10 yards rushing.  I think the Bears have the toughest week of the UAA schools.  I make Wheaton a two touchdown favorite.

Chicago (1-0) at Elmhurst (1-0) 1pm
The Blue Jays won 21-17 at Chicago last year.  Many of the same faces on both sides of the ball this year.  In their opener, Elmhurst QB Chris Kudyba was lost for the season with a broken leg.  Kudyba is 6-1, 190 - a good runner.  He was replaced by Mike LaFleur, 5-8, 175 who completed 15 of 21 passes for 172 yards in a 34-0 victory over Benedictine.  I think Elmhurst's offense changes with LaFleur - weaker running game, stronger passing game.  Elmhurst was off last week so has had two weeks to reorganize.  I make the Blue Jays a 3 point favorite - but am predicting an upset by the Maroons.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 15, 2006, 03:24:44 PM
Elmhurst/Chicago series:

2002 Chicago 46-40  (great game good ol' fashion shootout) @ Elm
2003 Elmhurst  24-0  (solid defensive game for Elm) @ Chicago
2004 Elmhurst 39-27 (late Chicago rally fell just short) @Elm
2005 Elmhurst 21-17 (very tight game throughout)  @Chicago
2006 ???  :o
With the exception 2003   this has been a very good non-conf. battle between two very proud schools.
Martin- The Elmhurst team that was presented in week 1 vs. Benedictine will look different tomorrow.  (see my post on the CCIW board)  Elmhurst has "shuffled the cards" to accomodate for Kudyba's injury.  Chris, is out for the year with an ACL tear.
I think the pivotal question is can Elmhurst contain Schey  and can Chicago's Offense be able to manage the fast Elmhurst defense?  ::)
While I think Schey is an outstanding running back,  I think Elmhurst defense  and in particular their D-Line,  will be stingy and reak havoc on the Chicago offense.  Should be a good battle tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 15, 2006, 07:30:16 PM
Martin

For the most part I concur with your assessment.  But the difficulty with predicting D3 is that you have to be pretty close to each program to have insight into injuries.  Accurate info is just not that easy to come by.  Case (NPI) in point, CWRU's OL is banged up and the status of Zagorski and Jeffries is unknown to me.  The makeshift line did OK in the second half at Denison, but gave up 3 sacks in the half and Whalen escaped quite a few opportunities.  To me the keys to the game will be the OL and whether the D can thwart Kenyon's O again this year.

Mirando was reported by the broadcasters to still suffer from last year's injury.  That must give Whalen an advantage.  Whalen has shown the poise one would expect from a HS playoff tested QB,  Befitting D3 values, Mirando transferred for the academics at least as much or more for the football (one report had him winning the QB job at Valpo, before he got into CWRU).  Whalen's presence and performance will allow even more time for healing, unless of course Whalen goes down (see OL discussion above).  Third QB who warmed up at Denison (#13) isn't even listed on the roster (at lest not by that number).  There are a few others on the roster who played QB in hs, but are playing other postions.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 15, 2006, 11:27:39 PM
FYI, for those of you who are not going to Elmhurst's Langhorst Field tomorrow.  The Elmhurst/Chicago game will be broadcast on 88.7FM and on www.wrse.com  I would say you have a better reception listening on the website.  Hope you all can hear the game if you aren't going to make it in person.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 16, 2006, 08:03:04 PM
Martin - It didn't really bother me, and I should have left it be, but I just figured that people would have more to say during the season.  By the way, CMU 33  Westminster 6

Robert Gimson had his second straight 100 plus yd. game for CMU.  As I said before, CMU looks much better overall this year.  Next week will probably be a better gage for them when Franklin & Marshall goes to CMU.  I was impressed today.  This CMU team doesn't care what situation they seem to be in they just get it done on both sides of the ball period.  Special teams has been huge as well.

Any other results????
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 16, 2006, 11:46:34 PM
CWRU 43  Kenyon 13 (was a shut out till the backups got in) [the injuries continue...from CWRU's experience I'm not sure the claims of the safety of the infill turf are well founded]

Wheaton  48   WUStL  7
Elmhurst  23  Chicago  10

CWRU and CMU get their first challenges next week.  CWRU's is a sterner test.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 17, 2006, 01:17:34 PM
Even though Chicago lost the game 23-10 at Elmhurst, I thought the Maroons played a very good game and are a very good team.
Nick Schey had a pretty good afternoon running the ball and Mike Albian had their lone TD and a strong day receiving.
The UC/EC rivalry has developed into a nice neighborhood battle and I'm happy to see that these two schools will be playing each other through 2009.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 18, 2006, 03:03:01 PM
well...with the Baird Brothers Trophy up for grabs on Saturday, this board will be rocking...Wooster vs CWRU...let the trash talking begin  :D...here's 1 to get started...Wooster player..."i've got a 3.8 GPA buddy..." CWRU player..."yeah right but i bet it's not in a double major..."...it gets downright nasty out there...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2006, 08:41:50 PM
Good one on the reparte' Scotty I'll K+ you for that!!!

My take ... a full healthy CWRU squad would give COW a game.  With the injuries, I fear a 2 td loss.

The makeshift OL opened some holes for the RBs v Kenyon.  Jefferies returned, but Nick Spring (Fr LT starter didn't ...torn meniscus.  Could return late in season if he had arthroscopy).  Now the D is going down; lost Decesare as an excessive celebration penalty (after 3rd safety in 2 games set up by Calderone punt).  Then on ensuing kick Scott Madden apparently went down on knee on the return.  Not to be outdone on O, Whalen was slow getting up after being hit going over the goal line at the pylon at the end of an eleven yard TD run in which he totally reversed his field (ran 50-60 yds).  That was at the 9:20 mark of the 3rd Q and he did not return (29-0 at that point).  Hopefully it was the proverbial "wind knocked out of him."

Mirando mopped up, mostly handing the ball off.  He was 2-3 with a TD.

As I stated earlier, even though it's a small sample, I'm not convinced of the better safety of the infill turf based on the CWRU experience the last two years.

Factoid:  This week is CWRU's only game not on the new-style turf.  Helps to have six home games.  When will COW enter the 21st century?

LET'S GO FIGHT FOR THE FISH!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 18, 2006, 09:20:11 PM
in all seriousness, without the injuries last year, CWRU would have won...good things happening downtown...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2006, 09:45:09 PM
Thanx for the props.  Delayed K+  But "Downtown" is the Tribe and Brownies (Clowns).  CWRU is University Circle.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 18, 2006, 09:55:34 PM
i live in Indiana now...downtown is anywhere with glass and over 3 stories...btw, what a beautiful housing complex around the field...wish my kids were more nerdy lol...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2006, 07:18:46 PM
Tom Brew is 8th in D3 in sacks and 10th in TFL.  Wethington is right behind in TFL @11th.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 22, 2006, 06:45:35 PM
cwru70, here's one for the ages...Ghoulardi aka Ernie Anderson...a ground swell is developing on the Indiana Gridiron Digest, high school football web site...brings back great memories...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 22, 2006, 07:21:32 PM
and btw, why do you have 2x the karma that i have with the same number of posts...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2006, 07:36:52 PM
Look out for Ming the Merciless!!!

But how does Indiana know?

As for k...perhaps self examination is in order.  Karma shouldn't be asked for.  IMHO

Seriously I think I earned much as a voice crying in the UAA wilderness and some for my defense of Kenyon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 22, 2006, 08:11:16 PM
Turn Blue...i admit, i am a Karma slut...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 23, 2006, 04:36:48 PM
CMU 34  Franklin & Marshall 14

CoW 21  CWRU 7

Haven't found scores on Chicago or Washington.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2006, 04:51:54 PM
Chicago 34  Macalester 7 

WUStL plays tonight.  They have a test with North Central.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 24, 2006, 09:04:15 AM
North Central 34   WUStL  15
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2006, 09:25:42 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 24, 2006, 09:04:15 AM
North Central 34   WUStL  15

Wow, what's happend to WU this year?  No disrepect to NCC as it is my understanding they are a very good team this year, however, I thought WU would be better than they have shown this year.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 24, 2006, 09:54:16 AM
The game was closer than the score.  WUStL failed on a fake punt which set up the last NCC TD.  Henry has struggled at QB, but still has as many Atts as McCarthy.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2006, 09:52:23 PM
Thanks for the follow-up cwru70.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 25, 2006, 01:07:28 PM
Yes, I do believe it will be quite interesting when league play opens up.  CMU has a shot at running the table this year.  Their only league game away is CWRU.  I honestly think this team could do it.  They are on a roll and flying high right now.  Of course, the last game of the year @ Thiel will probably be their biggest road block to a perfect season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2006, 07:12:41 PM
BD

I truly believe the UAA typifies the "On Any Given Saturday" mantra.  (Although WUStL seems to have CWRU's number...last win in 1990)

CMU's ground game has been most impressive and the little used passing attack very effective.  They have not yet faced any team as good as their UAA oponents however.  They had a great game against Thiel last year.

Maybe after the UAA-NCAC agreement ends we could go to a double round robin.  Kinda like the NFL division we resemble.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Fan on September 25, 2006, 09:00:25 PM
BD,

The Tartans have a lot to worry about before Thiel. If they beat Colorado College to go 5-0, they will have three very tough games to play in the UAA. Those are their biggest roadblocks at this point and they would do well to not look past Colorado College. When was the last time they beat Wash U? And they got defeated soundly by Chicago last year. Though they have had four impressive wins so far, how many combined victories do the teams they have defeated have? Two. Colorado College is the first team they will play with a winning record.

I don't want to take anything away from what CMU has accomplished so far because they have played very well in their victories. I just think the UAA is very balanced this year and is going to be a dogfight.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2006, 09:42:10 PM
UAA Fan

You echo my remarks.  Which team do you support?

I think CMU is stronger despite a somewhat weaker schedule. Despite a winning record Colo Col is not as strong as Wheaton, Wooster, Elmhurst, DePauw, or North Central.  F&M is the best team CMU plays before the UAA season.

UAA ... On Any Given Saturday
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Fan on September 26, 2006, 02:10:11 PM
cwru

Due to family ties, I follow CMU but even more, I enjoy Division III football and like to keep up on as many teams as possible.

Though I would agree that Colorado College is not in the category of those teams you listed, they are an up and coming program that is greatly improved over last year. Their offense has been putting up alot of points but, unfortunately, their defense surrenders alot, too. Hopefully, this bodes well for CMU if their offense and defense keep playing as they have been.

This is a big week for the UAA. Case has a bye week but the other three schools all play 2-1 teams. Wouldn't a sweep be great as far as the credibility of the league? And, CMU going to 5-0 helps the league, too, in my opinion.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2006, 03:59:31 PM
Fan

Hope you'll keep commenting all season.  We have similar profiles.  I grew up next to Wittenberg and so know the OAC schools.  Went to (C)WRU during the federation, but before the teams were merged, so I know the PAC (or PrAC) as well.  And of course CWRU was a charter member of the NCAC.  I live in Columbus and usually catch a Capital game or two and maybe an OWU game.  Trying to decide on OWU-Kenyon or Capital-Marietta this week. 

Do Chicago and CMU have an advantage with an open week before the UAA begins?  rest v rust

CWRU seems to be in a perpetual state of rebuilding.  Seven or eight newcomers are contributing this year.  Hope they will be able to play for three more years.

Good luck to the UAA v SCAC (current or future)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 26, 2006, 08:14:24 PM
this board is getting too crowded for me...i am heading back to the NCAC where sports is King and academics are 2nd...long live the Baird Brothers Trophy...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 26, 2006, 08:52:51 PM
I am only being optimistic folks.  CMU is the only one in the UAA with a chance to run the table left.  I know it will be a tough road, but I have been to all their games and I tell you this now, this is not the same CMU team that took the field last year.  A lot of the same names, but a much different attitude.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 26, 2006, 10:02:41 PM
Glad to see University of Chicago get back on the winning track knocking off Macalester.  I think Chicago has a very good team and think they will win the UAA.
Question for you folks-- The UAA doesn't have an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament right?  I am pretty sure they don't but not 100% sure.
So what does the UAA Champ have to have (credentials wise) to be admitted to the Tournament?
Chicago won the UAA last year, but wasn't in the Tournament.   Please explain.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2006, 10:11:45 PM
Pat would say check FAQs    ;)

A conf has to have 7 teams competing for AQ (simplified version)

Currently a UAA team would almost certainly need to be undefeated to get a Pool B bid.

Edit:  If Chicago and Elmhurst both win out, the Maroons might have a shot.  Winning 'em all might not get CMU a lock.  This year's Thiel team doesn't seem as strong as last year's.  Might take a convincing win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 27, 2006, 06:33:56 PM
CWRU70-- Thank you.  Do you happen to know why and/or if the UAA schools don't try to either A) get enough teams to make 7  or B) try to join a conference nearby that has 7 schools so they have an AQ?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2006, 07:14:46 PM
The UAA and NCAC have a scheduling agreement for 2008 and 2009.  I have fantasized here that it could be the germ of a formal combination.  I suggested two 7 team conferences based on geography.  Ralph Turner has also suggested that Oberlin, Kenyon, and Dension might be enticed to create a football only alliance.  NCAA regulations make that a long term proposition at best.  And if it happened what would Hiram or Earlham do?

In the end I don't think an AQ is a priority for UAA schools.  Although WUStL has recently scheduled  several playoff worthy opponents.

Maybe we could entice the NESCAC to let the champs meet in a Thanksgiving weekend game somewhere warm.  (Talk about fantasizing)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 27, 2006, 07:29:21 PM
Waterville, Maine, home of Colby College, is warmish at Thanksgiving time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2006, 08:10:13 PM
Figuritively speaking?  Or maybe beside a fireplace.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2006, 07:08:18 PM
Maybe this will stir things up.

Don Hansen is predicitng all 3 UAA teams to lose this weekend!  And CMU by a full 2 tds!!

What's he been smoking?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 28, 2006, 07:17:06 PM
I don't know about the other UAA games, but I can't see CMU losing by 2 TD's.  They would have to play a horrible game.  From what I have seen of CMU and what I have heard about Colorado, both teams are much improved this year, but CMU left Colorado last year with a 63-28 victory.  I am going to this night game, maybe Hansen expects the lights to effect CMU's newly found pass offense who knows.  I'll give you the details of the game when I return home on Sunday.  The UAA is 11-4 right now, so I say "Let the good times roll."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 28, 2006, 07:22:31 PM
By the way, last years 63-28 win came on the road after a home loss to John Hopkins and a tough road loss to F&M and this year CMU is running on all cylinders coming into this game, so if it isn't the lights that bothers Hansen, maybe he is looking at this as a letdown game for the Tartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2006, 07:54:05 PM
I would say only Chicago should be an underdog this week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 28, 2006, 11:33:33 PM
you guys are really getting into it...wooooooo...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 29, 2006, 08:20:42 AM
Remember Scotty we're the nerds here.   ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Fan on September 29, 2006, 11:35:33 AM
Hansen is probably basing his prediction on Colorado College putting up some big numbers so far and the fact that few in the world of D-III give much credibility to the "brain" schools of the UAA being able to play good football. CC's only loss is to highly ranked Occidental. Regardless, I believe that CMU is going to have their hands full and this is going to be a big test for the defense. The score is going to be much closer than last year. If it isn't, then the Tartans are for real.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict victory for CMU over Colorado College and Chicago over DePauw. I'll be disappointed if they don't win. I think Rhodes is going to be too much for Washington U. My heart hopes for a sweep, though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 29, 2006, 07:05:54 PM
CC and CMU have both put up lots of points.  But CC has given up a bunch too.  Even if I could see a CC win, no way 2TDs.

Rhodes could test WUStL's offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 29, 2006, 07:42:15 PM
Like I said, both these teams seem to have a good majority back from last year.  CMU has one huge advantage though.  They can run the crap out of the football if they open up a lead early.  That's the best defense for a high-octane offense.  Keep the ball out their hands.  Even if its close, CMU's D has only given up 6.5 pts a game.  I can't see CC scoring more than 21 against them.  I talked to my brother the other day and he said CC looks good on film, but he also said that there is a whole different attitude on this CMU team than there was last year.  These guys know they can play this year and they're not going to come out and take a crap out there tomorrow night.  I don't care how the game goes, I still think CMU wins soundly.  If I am wrong then I am eating crow, but I don't think I have to worry about that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 29, 2006, 10:36:05 PM
This may be off topic but this is amazing.  In my area (central Ohio) we had a high school running back carry the ball 62 times for 386 yds and 2 tds.  Quite a feat.  Both teams were undefeated and both will most likely make the playoffs.  This running back has now played 6 games this year and averages well over 200 yds a game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 30, 2006, 06:27:40 AM
BD: A formative Hubert Bobo. If you are not familiar with Bobo, google him. Every historian of Ohio high school football ought to know about him and his high school rushing and scoring records, some of which still hold after 55 years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 30, 2006, 02:13:56 PM
Yes, I know of him, but Mr. Sutton from Northwestern took care of most of those records when he was here at Akron Hoban.  This kids name is Stephen Ford and he plays for Cambridge High School in Cambridge Ohio.  He has a very good chance at becoming our immediate area's very first Mr. Football in Ohio.  I can't remember ever seeing a RB carry the ball that many times at any level.  Sutton had 300 yd games but he wasn't a work-horse back like Ford.  His name may be one to remember as he will probably most definitely play at the next level.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
DePauw shut out Chicago until the 4th quarter, winning 31-6.

WUStL's offense is in trouble.  Managed only 3 pts in a 6-3 OT loss.

We're counting on the Tartans to win the Hansen Bowl.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 30, 2006, 05:43:04 PM
BD: Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2006, 08:04:01 PM
Tartans up 21-7 at half.

55 rushes and only 4 incomplete passes.  Half only took an hour.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2006, 10:00:50 PM
CMU  50   CC  26    Take that Hansen!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 01, 2006, 04:06:01 PM
Yeah, tell me about it.  CC scored 19 of their26 points on the 2nd string D in the late 3rd quarter and fourth quarter.  CMU once again came out and played solid football.  They get a week off and then they go to Case for the Academic Bowl.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 01, 2006, 08:20:45 PM
Hansen's trying to make it up. He's got CMU rated #40 (#37 in D3.com).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on October 01, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
now we're challenging the pollsters...frankly, it's getting a little too heated for this guy... :)does the Academic Bowl require a written section or is it multiple choice...go CWRU...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 03, 2006, 04:52:14 PM
I still think that CMU will be overlooked a couple more times this year before these so-called gurus get the picture.  It's not like these guys flew under the radar.  With the victory over CC, CMU has now secured a 32nd straight non-losing season.  They have finished 5-5 or better for the last 32 years now, so I can't see why they don't get at least a little bit of respect.  At least if these gurus don't get it this year, then look out next year because the huge rushing attack this year is led by all juniors and the O-line is fairly young as well.  I hope they enjoy their week off.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2006, 07:53:09 PM
Hey, let's not go overboard. What happened to that 4-0 start in 1999 and 2001?

CMU can get a measure of respect by winning at Wash U but won't be a serious Top 25 candidate until they play Thiel. CMU's 5-0 is at the expense of teams currently 6-14.

That's what the voters see. Of the teams CMU has played, only F&M has a shot of even being a Top 100 team in Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2006, 08:29:01 AM
Pat

Given the previous discussion here, I think BD is referring to Hansen's putting them a 2 td underdog to CC (and perhaps Ralph Turner's initial omission from his Pool B forecast), rather than their poll position.

Given that they took Thiel to OT last year (OK Theil had clinched), I think there's a good chance they can win out.  WUStL hasn't shown much offense this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2006, 07:23:02 PM
Phase one of CWRU's schedule went pretty much according to form (ok Oberlin was too close for comfort). 
Ursinus is a bit of a mystery with nothing even close to common opponents.  Unknown also is if the two weeks will mean the return of some injured players or some shuffling among the replacements.
The next two week should portend what the rest of the season will bring for both the Spartans and their undefeated, but untested, opponents.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on October 04, 2006, 07:29:14 PM
cwru, keep up the good work, both on the field and on the board  :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2006, 08:35:04 PM
OK, sycophancy can be rewarded.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 04, 2006, 09:01:45 PM
Thanks cwru...........I was also trying to say that maybe CMU hasn't shown superiority but consistency.  I find it impressive that a program can consistently win half their games or more for 3 plus decades.  Under Lackner for at least 23 years.  I didn't expect them to get any recognition in the polls unless they got through the UAA schedule still perfect.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 05, 2006, 07:50:57 AM
For what it's worth, the Ursinus site posts starting lineups for CWRU same as at Wooster.  But then neither Whalen or Spring were listed as starters against Denison.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 05, 2006, 10:43:17 PM
The Academic Bowl is looking like an excellent matchup according to team statistics on the UAA site. 

Scoring Offense - CMU #1, CWRU #2
Scoring Defense - CMU #1, CWRU #3
Pass Offense - CWRU #1, CMU #4
Pass Defense - CMU #1, CWRU #2
Turnover Margin - CMU #1, CWRU #4
Rush Offense - CMU #1, CWRU #4
Rush Defense - CMU #3, CWRU #4
First Downs - CMU #1, CWRU #2
Red Zone Off. - CMU #1, CWRU #3
Red Zone Def. - CMU #1, CWRU #3
Time of Possession - CMU #1, CWRU #2

Looks like a good match-up, but we know how rivalry games go.  As I said before, I hope CMU enjoys their week off and CWRU continues their winning ways.  I don't know just how down Chicago and Washington are but it seems to me that the UAA has pulled a flip-flop from last year.  I wish the best for all teams considering the lack of respect the UAA gets.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 06, 2006, 08:19:48 AM
BD

When there are only 4 teams #3 is second division.

Hold the thought, I'll get back to you after Sat.

Interesting stat from the CMU-CC game, each team only punted once.  How often has that happened?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 06, 2006, 08:35:08 AM
Yeah, CMU was the only team who really played any defense at all.  Even CMU's 2nd team O had its way with CC's 1st team D.  CMU forced two turnovers and I am pretty sure that they forced two three and outs but I could be wrong.  It got a little boring in the middle two quarters because CC just looked dead and CMU basically did as they pleased.

I understand what you are saying about the stats, I just thought it was interesting how they stack up.  I didn't put the actual stats up, but if you go look, it seems to me that it will be a great Academic Bowl again.  I say same as last year.  Field goal wins this one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OldPhart on October 06, 2006, 09:25:41 PM
Any thoughts as to CMUs chances for playoffs?  While 10-0 is a lock, I figure with the schedule this year a 9-1 record MAY get them in - but I think 8-2 will be a knockout here. There will be too many 8-2 with better SOS.  I know that a 9-1 Thomas More was denied in the past (lost to a very weak Thiel team) but I think 9-1 here should do the trick.   Any thoughts?

BTW - couldn't help but notice CMU has more PAC games this year than UAA games!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 06, 2006, 09:59:21 PM
OPh

Check out the Pool B discussion in General Football.  WUStL made the playoffs in 1999 w/2 losses (but "quality losses") and that was a 28 team field v 32 now.  Given CMU's relatively weak sched I think they will have to run the table to make the playoffs.  They might still make it w/a loss to Thiel if the Tomcats win out, but they might need the proverbial "help."

And CWRU has more NCAC games than UAA ones too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2006, 02:41:21 PM
UC  16   CWRU  7   Final.  Turnovers gave the Bears 10 pts.  Impressive D.  Save for one drive the Spartan O was off balance all day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 08, 2006, 05:35:52 PM
Disappointing game for Whalen; 9-27.  Most of those completions were screens and dump offs.  The scoring drive was 4-6 passing for 39 and 10 rushes (mostly Rosenbury) for 33.  The snap that was recovered by Ursinus for a TD was just bizarre.  Would have liked to see Mirando get in before it became desperation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 08, 2006, 08:15:35 PM
Wow, why are there so few posts on this conference?
Carnegie Mellon's starting to look scary. Granted, Colorado's the only team they've beaten that's probably deserving of note, as the other 4 aren't much.
What happened to Case? Granted, they were only stuffed by the teams that have been stuffing everyone points-wise. Chicago's in a similar situation, as they've beaten the teams they're supposed to beat and lost to the one's they're supposed to lose to.
Washington's been paying worse then their record indicated IMO. When the conference play begins things should pick up though. Carnegie-Case looks to be a good game to watch, especially if Case's offense can get going.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2006, 01:15:29 AM
There's only four teams, which doesn't help.

Stick around, it can only help.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 09, 2006, 07:28:51 AM
Yes, welcome Wizardman, and stick around.

CMU is looking scary, and I have been telling these guys this from about week two.  Not much change in the roster from last year, but different attitude and much better offensive play-calling which has allowed the D to be over-powering and take risks.  I can't figure what happened to Chicago and Washington this year.  They were the top two last year and now CWRU and CMU are sitting at the top halfway through.  We'll see if things shake out this weekend. 

Yes, the Academic Bowl looks to shape up as a good one.  I think whoever wins, does it by a field goal.  I would nothing more than to see CMU continue their run of solid double-digit wins if only that meant more people would take them seriously, but this is a rivalry and anything can happen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2006, 12:58:32 PM
What’s the cliché here for CWRU...gut check?

Much as I hate to say it this year may be the reverse of the 2004 game, i.e. 24-14 CMU.  Turnovers and big plays have helped CWRU the past two years.  This year they are losing the turnover margin and haven’t had many big plays of late.  Whalen’s poor performance last week may be a matter of rushing throws when feeling pressure.  CWRU is giving up one sack every ten attempts.  CMU rushed for over 300 last year and seems to be stronger this year.

CMU’s numbers are scary, but need to be put in perspective; opponents wins: CMU-7, CWRU-15, UChi-11, WUStL-15.

WUStL seems to be down this year, especially on offense.  They seem better with McCarthy at QB.  As of the LaGrange game it seems they’re going to go with him.

UChi also didn’t start where it left off last year, but then they were 0-4 at this point and won their last 5.  Two of those teams from last year’s start were replaced with much weaker opponents.  They are having troubles in the PK department which could hurt in a close game.

I think the CMU-UChi winner takes the title, and I predict the kicking game gives CMU the win.

I just hope CWRU turns it around and wins a UAA game (they kept it close in Chicago last year) and beats Grove City to go 5-5. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 10, 2006, 08:55:31 PM
I see your point with CMU's opponents wins, but CMU has completely handled every one of those teams including CC.  The 2nd string has been sent in during every game by the start of the 4th quarter.  I know there will be some tougher opponents coming up and I hate to sound like a broken record, but CMU is a whole different team this year.  I'm not making any predictions, but I could see them running the table with only a few bumps on the way. 

I have no idea how the 2004 game went, but I thought CWRU looked like they had a good team last year and unless they lost a bunch of starters I expect them to give CMU a test.  Washington ran away with the game at CMU last year because CMU couldn't stop their receivers (one in particular, but I am lost on his name) so if they have a good receiving corps again then CMU could have their hands full. 

The Chicago game last year was a bad game as well, as it was at Chicago and my brother said CMU played like crap.

That may be the case this year in keeping CMU from running the table is that the only way they lose is by beating themselves.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
As I said I've picked CMU to win the UAA.

Duesing is probably the WUStL WR you remember and he has graduated.

Chicago lost two key players to graduation also.

The teams are close enough that the winner will be the one with the least mistakes.  But isn't that usually the case?

My point with CMU's schedule wa less to discredit their numbers than to say the other teams would have better numbers if they had played an easier schedule.  This could be a test of the theory that playing better teams makes you better.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 10, 2006, 10:43:42 PM
Well, CMU's lack of a difficult schedule would definitely explain why they're not in the top 25 yet.
Part of me really wants to see the CMU-Case game, not just sine I have friends at Case, btu i was interested in all 4 schools, applied to 2, got accepted to 1, and now instead of liking them for academics I'd rather watch engineering students play football.

Yeah, that was useless trivia... Could CMU go undefeated though?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 11, 2006, 02:48:18 AM
Theres a very good chance CMU goes undefeated and deep, very deep into the playoffs.  That being said, it is not out of the spectrum to think that WUSTL CWRU or Chicago could beat them.  Really a testament to where the UAA is heading and come from.

Was probably most impressed with the margin of voctory and game management against F & M.

What CMU has going for it is seniority in the offensive trenches.  Besides ball security, the backs at CMU are expected to block.  The running will virtually take care of itself.

With as intricate an offense as CMU plays in the run game, two aspects are important:  hide the ball (read:quarterbak footwork) and diagnose the play.  This on field diagnosis is something that has been lost in football since the advent of two platoon...  The great centers and linebackers of the golden era were as lauded as diagnosticians as anything....

Now, with all the flying into the backfield with reckless abandon and the improvisation on the go, diagnositics have become a rare gem.  CMU keeps this hole card to the right moment and they win a few down the road that nobodys expecting.

Have known some coaches sons in my playing time that were great diagnosticians.  The yardage showed this as well.

signed,
900 King Motion right, 26 gut, Y reverse
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 08:05:09 AM
cwru70 - thanx for clarifying that for me, I was a bit confused on where you were going with the schedule thing.  Which by the way, we will see what CMU does with next year's shcedule as they only have 9 games right now with an open date.  Maybe with a good season this year, they can get at least a little tougher opponent next year.

Wizardman - I have said in previous statements that I don't expect CMU to crack the top 25 until they win a couple UAA games.

MacLeod - I completely agree with you to a point.  Any of the other UAA teams could beat CMU, but I think that only happens if CMU helps beat itself.  And unless I misunderstand your word usage, you are wrong about the offensive line as they have a junior center, soph. offensive tackle, a junior guard, and a soph guard.  There are two seniors who play on the line as well.  Also, you are right on the money with the intricate wing-T which Coach Erdelyi runs as I have seen the O play book last year when my brother was on that side of the ball.  And another good point as well about coaches sons as CMU has an OLB who is the D coordinator's son and although he is not the most athletically gifted he makes a lot of plays because he can "diagnose" better than most kids on the team.

With all that said, I am crossing my fingers and hoping these kids keep their great attitude going and play to their capabilities the rest of the year. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 08:28:40 AM
MacLeod CMU benefits from an O that most teams don't see that often.  Can be a difference "all other things being equal."

CMU's playof would start 11/11 w/Thiel.  Could be a "play-in" game for each.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 09:42:44 AM
You make an excellent point cwru70, but I must say this:  Most kids playing college football have seen or defended the Wing-T a handful of times if not more in high school.  Or they played on a team that ran the Wing-T.  CMU does a good job of passing out of it though which you don't see in high school.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 11, 2006, 03:35:27 PM
Just assumed CMUs Oline was veteran.  Being sophomores and juniors doesnt necessarily mean theyre not veteran, but if they are veteran at that age, the rest of the nation might want to take notice, and all the aspiring high school d3 fullbacks might need apply.  Shocking just shocking what assumptions will set you up for.

Is CMU passing out of shotgun or are they staying true to the form of the wing t and using ball deception from under center?  Paterno took to Mack Browns Vince Young shotgun Offense because of its wing t roots last year.

Interested to see the sizes and number of letters earned by each of the CMU linemen. 

best regards,
Hunk Anderson
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 06:34:50 PM
That's true BDT, it's not like when Denison still ran the single wing.   ;D

As far as improving the schedule, Delaware Valley (in region I think, under the latest modification) shows an open date on 9/15.  But unless you've got Thiel another week, it would mean dropping them.  So that's only a marginal improvement.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on October 11, 2006, 07:05:02 PM
cwru70, way too much football analysis on here...let's get back to logarithims or exponentials...btw, there is no logical reason why your Karma is twice mine unless you have a secret Karma Fairy...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 07:26:52 PM
Hey scotty, what's wrong with some actual football discussion on here???  Maybe it will attract some newbies who have no clue about logarithims and exponentials.

That's a good one cwru70.  I don't know for sure what the exact date that CMU has open is.  It will look a little different as the UAA and NCAC will be playing a sort of combined schedule.  But I think CMU should definitely look for some stiffer competition because I really think they are a team that is on the rise with some good youth mixed with experience.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 07:27:55 PM
Scotty

Wish I could remember the old Case cheer, something like: "Secant, tangent, cosine, pi ...

As to karma logic...are you Mr. Spock in disguise?

And one of my favorite bumper stickers: "Your karma ran over my dogma"  One version is someone here's signature.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 07:36:02 PM
The UAA-NCAC schedule doesn't start until 2008, not that CMU might not phase it in.  Hiram is on for 2008 so they probably would be for 2007 as well.  The open dates link here has 9/15 and 11/10 as CMU's open dates in 2007.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
btw cwru70, do you think you could give me driving directions to CWRU's field???  I would be coming north from the Canton/Akron area.  I don't mean to trouble you, but I hate going to mapquest or yahoo because you can never pinpoint a field.  They always give you directions to the campus.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 07:43:24 PM
Yes cwru70 you are right.  I lost my marbles there for a second.  I'm not sure what CMU's plans are.  I do know that a couple of the players are lobbying for a date with a California team but I don't think they have much pull when it comes to scheduling.  I know one DB in my brother's class really wants to go out to California because he is from there, but I told him a couple weeks ago that it is probably not likely as there are so many more D3 schools in PA and the states in the immediate vicinity.  I have a couple friends who play at Mount and they keep telling me they want to see CMU play them(one kid in particular because his dad played at CMU with Coach Lackner) but I am sure that would be a disaster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 07:55:28 PM
MacLeod, if I offended you I am sorry.  Yes, I would say that the starters are all veterans.  If you get a chance to check CMU out over the next couple years take a good look at a tackle by the name of Brian Freeman, a soph. from Independence Ohio, who at 6' 5" and 275 just mows over defenders.  Against Colorado I personally saw him get at least 10 pancakes.  He started and lettered last year as a freshman.

CMU only uses the shotgun on 3rd and long situations.  Other than that they stay true to form and use ball deception and play-action which works well when you can pound out 300 plus yards a game on the ground.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 08:12:54 PM
MacLeod, these are the six O-lineman who play a good majority.  I don't have their info on letter's but here is how they are listed on the roster.

51   J.P. White  Sr.  OG  6-2  245
58   Jameson O'Donnell  Jr.   OG  6-2  255
61   Kurtis Meyer  So.  OG  6-2  235
73   Andrew Althouse  Jr.  OT  6-1  260
74   Brian Freeman  So.  OT  6-5  275
76   Anthony Ciotti  Jr.  OC  6-2  280

There guards are a little small, but you wouldn't expect big old hogs to pull and get out in front of the backs as designed in the Wing-T
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 08:14:34 PM
It's pretty easy.  77 N till it very briefly merges w/I-90 E exit @ Chester take a Rt (I'm pretty sure that's all you can do).  Stay on Chester for about 5 miles.  Shortly after 105th turn left on to Euclid (this is the tricky part).  Euclid will remind you of Forbes Ave.  When it looks like you've left campus look for 118th where you will turn left at the light.  If you go under the RR bridge you've gone too far.  

There is no parking (except busses) on the stadium side of 118th.  The layout will remind you of a newer Gesling with the seating built into the parking garage.  Unlike Gesling you might be charged $5 to park in the garage, or not (was last year, not for Kenyon this year).  But unlike Gesling you can see the field from the top.  If you choose the stands, I'm not sure what the procedure is for visiting team passes.

I have some issues to resolve, but hope make it.  If I do I'll be on the top by a gold Intrepid.

BTW a car in front of me today had a CMU sticker.  It braked to turn before turning on turn signal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 08:38:13 PM
Thanks for the info.  Did you mean turn left at the "light" at 118th??  You wrote turn left at the "right".

I am sure my family and I will sit in the stands but I may make way up to the top and look for you.  Do you usually stand by yourself?

I hope its a good game and you can make it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on October 11, 2006, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 07:26:52 PM
Hey scotty, what's wrong with some actual football discussion on here???  Maybe it will attract some newbies who have no clue about logarithims and exponentials.

That's a good one cwru70.  I don't know for sure what the exact date that CMU has open is.  It will look a little different as the UAA and NCAC will be playing a sort of combined schedule.  But I think CMU should definitely look for some stiffer competition because I really think they are a team that is on the rise with some good youth mixed with experience.

i am happy for you guys...if "Time would let me" i would stick around but the Tree of Wisdom at Oberlin beckons...the truth be known, i am a Karma slut...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 09:02:25 PM
yes that would be left at the light!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 09:24:59 PM
Okay, thanx, was kinda confused since you said there was a part that was tricky.  I know there are some roads in Pittsburgh where a left at the right would make sense to some folks.

By the way, in case you get to the game and I don't see you  you are interested, my brother is #37 and always has the wide side of the field at his DT spot.  He pretty much splits time 50/50 with the starter.  Usually they go two series at a time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2006, 09:35:38 PM
Yeah, when you get to the fork take it!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2006, 09:50:58 PM
Hahaha, that's funny because I was just looking at the map on CWRU's website and there is probably 15 forked roads on campus, but I should have no problem now after looking at the map.  It seems pretty simple.

Hey, if we keep this up we can finally get this up to a "Very Hot Topic" :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 11, 2006, 11:20:25 PM
Case isn't that hard to get around, at least in my opinion. Neither's CMU either, it's just when you're leaving CMU to go home that it's torture. But like I've said, I've been around Case a few times and to me it's pretty easy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 12, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
Wizardman, I would be interested as to how you leave CMU because if you go back through Pitt than it is torture.  And I have no clue where you go when you leave but if you needed to get back on to 376 then there is a much easier way to get there than going back through Pitt.  I don't know the name of the streets but I could tell you by landmarks if you ever needed to know.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 12, 2006, 01:25:29 PM
Thankfully I've never had to go back through Pittsburgh from CMU, I just went West  on the highway, once I finally found which highway I was supposed to be on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2006, 07:07:04 PM
If I miss you, hope your brother has a great game. We'll just have to get our yards to the short side, around end, and through the air.

With all this talk of east Cleveland geography I'm surprised we haven't stirred up Frank Uible. [sorry for misspelling] Frank are U out there?

Forecasat is for a windy day in Cleveland.  Will it hurt CWRU's O?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on October 12, 2006, 11:47:52 PM
I'm here. What I know about Cleveland geography ended in 1969 - although I believe I could find my way to Euclid Avenue between E. 115th Street and E. 118th Street.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 13, 2006, 01:03:49 PM
Yeah, I pretty much just know the Jacobs Field/Q Arena area. And how to get to Case, but not much else. I remember that you have to go down a street where one side is very run-down and the other side is actually pretty nice. It's an eerie feeling. I'd have no way of knowing where to drive on the east side.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 13, 2006, 02:12:17 PM
Hahaha, yeah I hope he does well too.  He's been fighting since camp to start but he is just a little undersized and was moved to a different position other than what he studied the playbook for for the second straight year.  It kind of shows his athleticism and versatility, but I am sure its frustrating for him.  He has handled it well so far.  I will try to make it to the top of the garage.  Gold Intrepid right??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 13, 2006, 04:33:21 PM
Looks like family stuff is going to keep me from getting up to the game.

Again good game to your bro', but I hope CWRU wins.  I don't wxpect the latter, but neither do I expect the 35-14 forecast from Hansen.

Frank the roads are about the same.  The biggest change you would see would be the slums along Chester have been torn down and replaced with new residential construction.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 13, 2006, 10:38:47 PM
That's too bad you can't get to the game.  Thanks for wishing my bro luck.

After Hansen's last prediction involving CMU, I wouldn't pay attention to a word he says either.  Like I said, I expect a close game.  If CMU runs away with it then I am a firm believer that they are for real and can only beat themselves.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 13, 2006, 11:33:03 PM
Yeah, ther's no real way it can be a blowout. I expect CMU to win by a toughdown or two, but if it's a blowout either way then that's the team that wins the division.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:09:34 PM
Man, keep an eye out on Travis Sivek today, he's gettign a lot of carries so far, would've guessed he was an RB instead of an FB. Robert Gimson is also running well. The scary thing is they're both juniors pounding the strong Case run D, so CMU may be even better this year.

Oh, and the Case radio station if the best one I've heard all season so far.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:18:13 PM
CMU gets three straight 3rd down conversions then gets a 4th down conversion? Either they're a great risk-takign team or they got no kicker, since it would've been about a 30-yard field goal if they went for that.

Man, makign frequent updates would be more fun ifthis was a frequent board. It's a shame since this is a great game so far. I'll just edit this post with occasional updates.

CMU got the first TD on a 10:13 drive. Yes, a 10:13 drive. That shows you how CMU exhausts the defense to make it easier for them to score.  6 first downs, this was the first drive of the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 12:24:09 PM
I had a hunch Mirando might start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
Yeah, Mirando seems to be playing pretty well so far today. Case has no problem playing at a faster pace than CMU it seems. More pass plays and an occasional QB draw. Shotgun plays are definitely a nice 180 degree turn from the pounding up the middle of the Tartans. Case got to the 8 and the end of the quarter, 7-0 CMU. This is pretty much a poundfest thus far. (I'll combine a 2nd quarter synopsis into one post so as not to flood the topic). I expect it to quickly become 7-7 though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 12:31:04 PM
As for the broadcasters, they have more professional voices.

Last week they couldn't get the scoring recap right.  So far today the CMU O has been described as being tricky with lots of fakes and counters and just straight ahead bread and butter.   ??? And how did CMU have a 10 minute drive and CWRU's drive at 5 +minutes, and it's still in the first quarter?

OK maybe I'm a nit picker.

At this rate it can't be a blowout.

False start hurts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:32:18 PM
They originally said a 10:13 minute drive. They just corrected themselves, it was a 9:13 drive.
7-3 Case thanks to that penalty.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:36:07 PM
CMU return stopped at 16-yard line thanks to another KR drop. I thought only high school people did that?
So year, a 9 minute drive and a 6+ minute drive means that this may be an interesting game.
WOW. A 76-yard TD run, CMU 14-3. That tight end can aparently run, that was a great long pass from a team that I wasn't expecting would do that. I assme the QB has 100 yards by now.
Wait, kick's blocked, it's actually 13-3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 12:38:10 PM
Going for the ball with no help from the safety has hurt CWRU several times this year.

Talk about drives as different as night and day!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:41:57 PM
Case gets the ball back on the KR, gets to the 27. First pass is only a yard. Wow, a fumble but Carnegie kicks it out of bounds. Don't know why they'd do that but they keep the ball now.
Yeah, those were opposite drives indeed. Case drops a 3rd down pass so they make a great punt. There's a small chance of a blowout now. Case gets a penalty though, ouch. Onl 32 net yards thanks to that penalty.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 12:49:27 PM
Penalties and dropped passes.  Can't have that expect to win.  Sounds like Mirando should have run on the last two third downs rather than passing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:50:41 PM
Mirando's undisputedly playing better than his stats are going to show; they keep dropping the passes.
Still 6:46 left? Wow, this quarter is ending much slower than the last one, maybe since they're passing and punting this time.
But yeah, Mirando should try running. Not sure if he's a scrambler or not but he should at least try.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 12:57:49 PM
3rd and 29? ugh, Case was starting to really play well now, but never now. CMU keeps spending timeouts, but i guess that's alright. Still 13-3, and the game went from pounding it in to punting it out... I'll be back in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 01:09:26 PM
Ooh, CMU has to punt, But they get the ball back on a fumble. Then the Spartans get another penalty? Nope, CMU gets it. They bring it to the 4 with little time left. Now CWRU says somethign that makes sense. CMU does a bunch of boring plays then does a trick play and they get near the end. They get a penalty I haven't heard of in some time. Onyl 22 seconds left. CMU figures they won't bother and just do the FG, and OUCH. Adn the fake FG gets to the 1 yard line and time's expired. What a play by Case. 13-3 at the end of the half. That was great.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 01:11:45 PM
Two gadget plays by CMU at the end of the half after a CWRU fumble (if the fake FG was called and not because of a high snap).  Closest halftime score for CMU since week one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 01:25:41 PM
Just as I was about to post a softer coment about the broadcasters, the one guy pronounces Sivek's name two different ways in two consecutive sentences.

Oh well, even the network guys are inane much of the time.

CMU has almost a 3 to 1 advantage in total offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 01:42:08 PM
Yet another chunk of good running plays by CMU. Takign out 9 minutes in the first Q was apparently a good idea. Sivek gets another TD, 20-3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:03:15 PM
20-3 start of 4Q.  CWRU got to the red zone, but failed on a 4th and goal.

Mirando may have hurt his right hand or wrist.  Whalen warming up as CMU goes on offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:08:52 PM
Spartans get a punt block, Whalen in at QB runs for 9 to the 16.  Pass goes through arms of a receiver intercepted by CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 02:09:53 PM
...and Case gets their own INT. Game's not quite over yet with ~10 minutes left.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:12:14 PM
CWRU gets a pick back in their own endzone.

Hate to pick on the announcers but since they got props early...They just said that Case is losing the turnover battle to Case.   :o
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 02:18:06 PM
*sigh* At least they're better than some other ones I've heard.
Is Meyer a RB or a TE?
Brenner gets the TD, 20-10, Case really needed that. 5:something left.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:19:45 PM
Meyer is a Fr RB from Fla.

No electronic media from UChi v WUStL wonder how that's going.

The new D3 scoreboard provider doesn't seem to do very well with in game scores.  There were reports on the CWRU broadcast.

I often watch games with the sound off.  Esp if it's Brent Musburger.  A long time ago there was an experiment with an NFL game with no announcers.  They just had the pa announcer-but they can be pretty bad too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 02:20:38 PM
And what was CMU thinking there? Nobody gets the KR and they're stuck on the 7 yard line. This is becomign a game now.

I wish I could edit posts :P
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 02:26:45 PM
oh, I just got the ability to edit righ tafter posting that.
Well, CMU punts again. You mean Case has 4 turnovers? And they're stil in this? wow. And they miss a couple passes to Brenner. Man, is there were better WR's on this team Case would be doign so much better. They have to go for it on 4th. And that's the game, turnover on downs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:27:29 PM
Don't you have a "modify" icon?

BTW, you might want to edit that last post.  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:28:54 PM
The D has been stellar in the end.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 14, 2006, 02:27:29 PM
Don't you have a "modify" icon?
I didn't at that point. I just got it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:36:46 PM
20-10..Hope their QB will be alright.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 02:44:48 PM
UWStL up 6-0 halfway through 2Q.  Scores are on the team pages.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 05:14:51 PM
26-7 final.  Looks like it will be Bears v Tartans for the title.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 14, 2006, 06:16:40 PM
Yeah, I must say it was a pretty good game, but here are a few things I have to say:

1.  If CMU doesn't make bone-headed plays in the return game then the score may have been a bit bigger.
2.  CWRU's lone touchdown came against CMU's 2nd string D.(with one or two starters sprinkled in there)
3.  CMU's long TD pass was to WR Mark Davis (he runs much faster than their TE)
4.  The end of the first drive was pure risk.  CMU's kicker routinely hits 50-55 yarders in practice.
5.  The fake field goal wasn't a bad snap.  Another risk that didn't pan out like the first one did.

Overall, I thought CWRU played well enough to keep it close, but they lost the turnover battle and CMU's D bent but didn't break.  There were quite a few flags, but there could have been a ton more which I will get into later. (It may seem bias, but I have pretty good eyes.)  Tom Brew is one hell of a LB.  He was the responsible for CMU's QB going down.  He put a vicious hit on Mulkern while he was scrambling. 

My brother did well with 1 solo, 2 assists, a FF, a FR, and nearly blocked a punt.  He actually could have grabbed the ball right off the punters foot, but after a running into the kicker call against him in the F&M game he was told not to leave his feet.  Now here comes the bias part.  My brother was consistantly a held by CWRU's tackles.  ONLY one flag was thrown.  I am convinced that he could have had a few sacks and a couple more tackles if he wasn't held.  Which shows why CWRU decided to double team him with the RB in the 4th quarter. 

Other than that, I can answer any questions since I was actually at the game if you guys have any.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 08:23:41 PM
Penalties, dropped passes, and penalties all hurt CWRU.  The D kept most of the turnovers from being turned into points though.  A moral victory for CWRU to have given up only a little over 200 yds rushing.

The only time I heard your brother's name called by the broadcasters was on the holding call.  (BTW, the broadcast will be archived in a day or three)  It seem CWRU's D also thought there was alot of holding so seems they called 'em the same for both.  But I'm so old today's blocks all look like holding to me.  Looks like Rogers got credit for the FF and FR, not your brother.

Yes Brew is a beast.  He was injured last year.  This year Decesare went down.  Hope your QB comes back.

Looks to be between you guys and WUStL.  Looks like they've got a pretty good run D as well.  Don't know why Chicago is down.  They had two big D players graduate, but much of last year's team is back.

I fully expect CMU to win out.  As I said before, I hope CWRU can win at least one UAA game and beat Grove City to go 5-5.  WUStL seems to have our number.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 09:27:48 PM
Yeah, I'd like to see Case finish up well. They showed against CMU that they can really play well when they dont make simple mistakes. CMU also showed that they have no problem changing up their strategy to confuse the opponent. Can we put then in the Top 25 yet?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 14, 2006, 09:42:34 PM
Yes, I saw on the stats page that Rogers got credit for that, but the stats guys don't always get it right.  My brother said when he tackled the kid the ball fell out and he fell on it and it started to squirt down between his legs and Rogers was on his back practically goosing him for the ball.  I don't care and neither does my brother.  The players for CMU aren't like that.  They are a team and all they cared about was the W.  Besides, its not my brother's stats that stood out to me.  He consistantly pressured CWRU's backfield against both OT's even while being held for the better part of the game.

I don't know if CMU is top 25 material but they may squeeze in this week depending on what other top 25 teams did today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2006, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 14, 2006, 02:19:45 PM
Meyer is a Fr RB from Fla.

No electronic media from UChi v WUStL wonder how that's going.

The new D3 scoreboard provider doesn't seem to do very well with in game scores.  There were reports on the CWRU broadcast.

It's still endemic on the schools themselves to log in and post. D3Scoreboard is providing the scoreboard. The schools themselves still provide the scores.

Contrary to your assertion, I think we have many more in-game scores than any previous year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2006, 10:55:39 PM
I will agree the stats guys don't always get it right.

Pat thanks for the word on how it works.  I will defer to your recollection from last year.  The CWRU broadcasters had most Ohio scores during the game.  I don't know what the source was.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2006, 11:01:18 PM
Probably the old-fashioned telephone net. We'd love for schools to exchange scores over our site but many only use the 1960s technology. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 14, 2006, 11:48:23 PM
So how about it, does anybody think CMU cracks the top 25 yet or will it take a convincing victory over Chicago to do it??

Or maybe even further, do they have to beat WUStL before they crack the list?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 15, 2006, 12:36:05 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 14, 2006, 11:48:23 PM
So how about it, does anybody think CMU cracks the top 25 yet or will it take a convincing victory over Chicago to do it??

Or maybe even further, do they have to beat WUStL before they crack the list?
WEll, thanks to a couple losses (UW-Oshkosh, who was 27th or so, ONU, etc.) they will either squeze in at 25 of be in the upper 20's 9They WILL get penty of voted this week). I'd rather see them in than Union, but Union would get in first before them. (I think I have to watch waht I say since everytime i mention Union I lose karma.)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2006, 09:10:52 AM
They would have to jump 9-10 spots to get to D3 Top 25.  Might make it in AFCA poll though.

Pat, would it be feasible (and consistent with journalistic standards) to use some trusted volunteers to monitor webcasts and websites and report?  I'd be willing when I'm not at a game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 15, 2006, 01:44:04 PM
That's why I wondered if they would have to win against Chicago and WUStL because of only being in the mid-30's in most polls.  I saw in daily dose that Pat is waiting on the WUStL game AND the Thiel game to find out if CMU is for real.  I don't know, I think they are and most likely win out.  Thiel has definitely taken a step back from last year and CMU has defended the pass much better this year.  I guess these guys probably know what they are doing and will put them in the top 25 when they feel it's time.

I am waiting for CMU to be done watching films today to check the stats page again and see if they make any corrections.  They seem to change their stats after every film session of the previous game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2006, 03:58:20 PM
To make a big leap (like 10 spots), it probably takes a win over a ranked team or a lot of ranked teams losing to unranked teams.  That's why scheduling Delaware Val would be a good move next year.  That is, if playoffs and poll rankings are a goal.

Pat, the stats issue raises a question.  Does the NCAA provide for stats to be audited by watching films?  Is it required or even permitted?  And if so, is it the home stats that are official?

Looks like UChi's RB Nick Schey was injured and only got two carries v WUStL.  If he doesn't recover, CMU should have no trouble beating them. Of course yo have your own injury issue.  Any word on the QB?

WUStL seems to have settled its QB battle while CWRU's just gets murkier.  It's great to have two quality QBs.  The problem is finding which is the right one at the right time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 15, 2006, 05:27:56 PM
No word yet.  CMU has also had starting MLB Ploetzner out since the day before the CC game.  Calf injury I believe.  I may find out something on the QB this evening. 

Yes, I am sure it is tough for the voters to put a team like CMU in there with their kind of schedule.  Kind of similar to WVU getting hated on in D1. 

I have no clue about the stats thing, I just know that the Sunday after the CC game my brother had certain stats and then two days later after films were watched they were changed.

I thought Mirando and Whalen were virtually the same QB, maybe Whalen had a little more mobility, but Mirando hung in there better against pressure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 15, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
Did Whalen play?  Better gauge for the CMU victory?

signed,
Tubby Raymond
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2006, 06:54:36 PM
Mirando started and played 3 quarters.  He was 8-16-0  103 yds.  Rushed for 16, but lost 26 in 3 sacks.

Whalen came in when Mirando hit his right hand on a helmet.  He was  6-12-2  105 yards. 1 TD 1 rush for 9 and no sacks.  All in situations when passes were expected, down 20-3.

I'm not sure Tubby would have recognized CMU's shotgun.

Not much progress for CMU in the D3 Top 25.  I spot I think.  Only Mt. St. Joseph cracked the Top 25.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 15, 2006, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 15, 2006, 06:54:36 PM

I'm not sure Tubby would have recognized CMU's shotgun.




Quote from: MacLeod on October 11, 2006, 03:35:27 PM

Is CMU passing out of shotgun or are they staying true to the form of the wing t and using ball deception from under center?  Paterno took to Mack Browns Vince Young shotgun Offense because of its wing t roots last year.


You know, most the time, they dont find a defensive solution to something that works real well, they try and legislate it out or proxy it or somethign.

Look at what the Washington redskins did with their wing shorgun attack during the Baugh era.

The new York Gainst were working with Short Punt A formation at this time or just before, but they were still trying to reinvent the vtrick and flying wedges that had been taken from them administratively.

For the wing t guys, the solution isnt differnetiation based upon formation so much as adapting the basic principle of fold and chair blocks at great ranges laterally.   Now they categorize offensive staples not so much on formation but motion used.

Erdelyi is part of the jet motion crew if Im not mistaken.  His pass game shouldnt be so much dig whip and square in with the tight end as hes not a big rocket guy.  Rocket making the wing t start to look run and shoot.

Really wonder how good that line is and whether they could use Canadian Motion and a big H or dive back to seal up fissures when they face a truly playoff caliber squad.   

best regards,
Gunner Gatski  ;D and the Duluth Eskimos
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2006, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 15, 2006, 03:58:20 PM
To make a big leap (like 10 spots), it probably takes a win over a ranked team or a lot of ranked teams losing to unranked teams.  That's why scheduling Delaware Val would be a good move next year.  That is, if playoffs and poll rankings are a goal.

Pat, the stats issue raises a question.  Does the NCAA provide for stats to be audited by watching films?  Is it required or even permitted?  And if so, is it the home stats that are official?

In fact, it's expressly prohibited for defense, in response to "coaches' stats" inflating tackle numbers overall.

If there's an issue, I believe offensive stats can be reviewed.

As for anointing citizen scoreboard updaters, there's a proverb about giving someone a fish as opposed to teaching them to fish for themselves. If you want in-game updated scores, get that message to the home SIDs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 15, 2006, 08:48:02 PM
The stat issue as far as CMU goes is like this:  Everyone at CMU knows my brother got that fumble, but they can't change it because it was a league game.  I guess in non-league games CMU has changed stats.  I don't know and as I said before, it doesn't bother me or my brother really.  The W for the Tartans was all that mattered.

Unfortunately, there is some bad news for CMU as their starting QB Kevin Mulkern is out for the rest of the season with broken bones in his back.  When I first saw the hit, I thought concussion because Tom Brew hit him helmet-to-helmet but I guess that another player hit him in the back and side at the same time.  We shall see what this does to their tricky passing attack, but I think Facemeyer can come in and do the job.  Game management is all he needs to do.

Yes, CMU did show a little wing-T out of the shotgun against CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2006, 08:59:06 PM
Sorry to hear about Mulkern.  I know Facemeyer played last year.  Mulkern does seem the better passer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 15, 2006, 09:15:46 PM
Yeah, I agree with you, but Facemeyer is much better at passing this year than last.  Plus, its not like he has sat the bench all year.  He has played at least a quarter every game this year so I am not that worried.  I am more worried about stopping a good running team without Ploetzner in the middle of their D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 16, 2006, 03:34:04 PM
Wow, I saw that a single player from WUStL had 4 sacks alone against Chicago.  Could spell trouble for Chicago with CMU's young DL starting to look real scary.  CMU only rushed the front 3 against CWRU and got pressures, sacks, and hurries all game.  It's an interesting point because I have never liked the 3-4 D.  It leaves to many holes in the trenches and if the blockers get to the second level a good running team could have a big day against the 3-4.  It hasn't happened to CMU yet but if they run the table and get into the playoffs I would be safe and have a few different schemes to stop a good running team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 16, 2006, 06:56:19 PM
I know we don't get much interest in this topic but even the regulars seem to be avoiding the topic. 

cwru70 - how do you think your spartans will fare in St. Louis this weekend??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 16, 2006, 07:48:34 PM
Last CWRU win over WUStL was 1991.  They seem to have our number. Thought this might be the year, but they seem to have found their offense.  A W would be a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 16, 2006, 09:25:26 PM
Yeah, their first win against WUStL in 15 years would be great for them plus it would make the battle for the UAA a little more interesting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 17, 2006, 12:30:43 PM
Case hans't beaten Washington in a while?
Well, it seems time that ase notches a win then, no? WuStl's not playing as well as they appear, and Case was neck and neck with CMU most of that game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2006, 01:53:57 PM
I'm concerned about all those sacks and TFLs WUStL racked up against UChi whose OL has two UAA first teamers (They don't provide starting lineups on their stats page, so can't say for certain they played).  CWRU's OL is banged up and has given up alot of sacks.  They also capitalized on turnovers which has been a CWRU problem.  I predict a defensive struggle (which doesn't necessarily mean low scoring, if the D creates scores or opportunities)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 17, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
Wizardman, not to knock your assessment of the CWRU/CMU game, but you listened to the game on the radio whereas I was actually there(Yes I am biased towards CMU).  But even though CWRU hung tough, they were not neck and neck with CMU.  As I said the day of the game, if CMU's special teams returners don't make boneheaded play after boneheaded play then the score could have easily been 35-10.  They consistantly made mistakes in the return game which gave them horrible field position on just about every drive.  Other than that CMU controlled the game until midway through the fourth when the 2nd string D went in and CWRU scored.  After that the 1st string was sent in and it was a stalemate until the end.

cwru70, I couldn't tell you either, but Chicago better get it together or CMU's D will have a big day against them, especially if the O gives them a comfortable lead.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2006, 05:51:14 PM
BDT, I don't know about the td coming against the second team D.  Some probably, but you had said your brother routinely rotated in thoughout the games, perhaps others did as well.  According to the play-by-play their top DB Aaron Lewis was in on the play prior to the td.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2006, 08:53:04 PM
CMU rises to #29 in AFCA poll.  Need to pass Coe, Linfield, and W&J to get to #25
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on October 17, 2006, 08:55:38 PM
is this written in the Book of Revelations... :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 17, 2006, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 17, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
Wizardman, not to knock your assessment of the CWRU/CMU game, but you listened to the game on the radio whereas I was actually there(Yes I am biased towards CMU).  But even though CWRU hung tough, they were not neck and neck with CMU.  As I said the day of the game, if CMU's special teams returners don't make boneheaded play after boneheaded play then the score could have easily been 35-10.  They consistantly made mistakes in the return game which gave them horrible field position on just about every drive.  Other than that CMU controlled the game until midway through the fourth when the 2nd string D went in and CWRU scored.  After that the 1st string was sent in and it was a stalemate until the end.

cwru70, I couldn't tell you either, but Chicago better get it together or CMU's D will have a big day against them, especially if the O gives them a comfortable lead.

WEll, I listened to the Case radio, so of course they weren't going to say it was the 2nd team D they sred on. Got me there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 17, 2006, 10:53:39 PM
Sorry fellas, didn't mean to jump anyone but if you check my history I did say there were a few starters sprinkled in during that TD. 

cwru70 - my brother was out during that drive because he came in during the first CWRU drive of the game and didn't take a blow until that TD drive.  And the only people who rotate that much is the DL and none of the starters or my brother were in on that play.  Yes, Lewis was in on that drive.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 07:53:17 AM
Yes I remembered that you qualified the second team report earlier, which is why I pointed out the omission this last time.  NBD   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 08:34:26 AM
Cool.  Don't get me wrong, CWRU had their chances to make it a nail-biter for CMU.  One in particular at the end of the 3rd quarter.  4th and goal from the 5.  I can't remember who was quarterback for CWRU at the time but he wanted to run the ball becuase nobody was open and my brother and Mike Reggie did a good job of corralling(sp?) him and Reggie got the sack for a huge goal-line stand.  If you ask me, that took the wind out of CWRU's sails until they scored that TD with about 6 or 7 minutes to go.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 06:40:43 PM
Mirando was still QB then.  And yes that was a key play.  Going for FG would have narrowed the margin.  But the if CMU kicks at end of half instead of fake, it's a wash.

Read UChi's Game Notes for CMU. No indication if Schey will play. Funny there's nothing in the notes you couldn't get by just looking at the stats. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 06:44:31 PM
Where are these game notes??  On UChi's site?  CMU hasn't even got anything on their site about the UChi game yet.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 06:54:04 PM
UChi's site, you can link from the team page on here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 07:15:15 PM
I found it, but I need Adobe to open it and I am not spending 2 hours downloading Adobe.  Oh well, you're probably right, anybody's notes on CMU would be pretty easy to discern from just looking at CMU's stats.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 08:01:54 PM
Tom Brew is a Draddy semi-finalist.
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 08:16:58 PM
Laz has CMU over UChi by 14 and WUStL over CWRU by 3 (had last week's CMU-CWRU spread right at 10)

Hansen has CMU winning 42-7? and WUStL 31-21
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 08:26:40 PM
Haha, I am taking Hansen with a grain of salt.  Don't know who Laz is but it seems he has a better grasp than Hansen.  I don't know about 42-7, what's Laz have on the CMU/UChi game?  If it gets that ugly than CMU can afford to sit some guys to keep them healthy and not have happen what happened to Mulkern.

Congrats to Brew, I thought he was an excellent LB, had no clue about his academics, but if you go to a UAA school you have to have some brains.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 08:34:15 PM
Laz is a computer power rating.  Just gives spreads not scores.

http://www.lazindex.com/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 08:43:16 PM
Thanks for the info.  What do you think about CWRU only being 3 pt. underdogs??  That tells me that these computers and gurus have faith in CMU but nobody else in the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 10:00:28 PM
Hansen I post for s&g's.  Not putting stock in his predictions.  Laz has been a pretty good predictor.  Maybe lags a little behind in picking up a team on the move (up or down), but has steadily moved CMU up.  And of course it soen't figure in injuries, but then I doubt Hansen has solid injury info for the 400 or so teams he rates.

I'd be ok with a 3 pt loss to WUStL  It seems that they've gotten a RB back from injury and have settled on one QB.  CMU seems to have separated themselves by going 6-0 and I think that is reflected in the ratings and predictions.

In further Draddy news, Aaron Lewis of CMU, Drew Wethington of WUStL, and Benjamin Potts of UChi were also semi-finalists.  33 d3 players on the list.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2006, 10:28:42 PM
33 out of how many?

Maybe you could put the playoff scenario in laymen's terms for me.  I posted over on the General Football board about CMU getting in.

I don't fully understand it all yet, but I can't see how those guys can really be stabbing in the dark for Pool B bids when they are talking about 6 teams winning out.  It sounds to me like most of the playoff predictions come down to teams fulfilling prophecies.  I also seem to grasp the concept that in any given year there may be one or more deserving teams that don't get in because they don't have enough teams in their conference and don't have the SOS needed to give them a B or C bid.  This all seems confusing to me.  I guess I only ask beause what if some year you get a 10-0 CMU and a 9-1 CWRU??  Somebody is staying home right?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2006, 11:53:17 PM
148 total semi-finalists from all of college football.  I'm afraid Brew's grades won't get to the final 15.

A 9-1 second place UAA team could get in through Pool C.  Perhaps that's how the Whitworth-Linfield loser gets in.

Of the six teams in the Bob.Gregg post in Pool B, Whitworth and Linfield will meet and should eliminate the loser.  Rockford is not worthy and will probaly lose to CC anyway.

Right now Whitworth has the lowest SOS of the six, but that goes up after they play Whitworth.

Maybe to put it in perspective, how many bowl game matchups are being talked about now?  Another perspective is that until last year there were 4 fewer slots and not that long ago there were only 16.  So fewer worthy teams get left out than before.  Anothe anology is the DI BB tournament where some major conference 5th or 6th teams would be stronger than the lower conference AQs.

The forecasts are all based on what the prognosticators expect to happen.  Then too is the cred that comes with being in the playoffs recently.

Hope this helps or even addresses what you were asking.  Win out and I don't think there's a problem.

As a primer have you read the FAQ for playoffs from the front page link?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 01:12:10 AM
Thanks for the info, it helps somewhat, but I can't help but think that there are too many "numbers" involved in the process.  Numbers don't always tell the story.  One of the main reasons I really asked is what if CMU wins the UAA with a 3-0 record but has 1 loss to a down Thiel team??  What then, do they still sneak in with a Pool C bid?

148 huh?  they cut from that to 15 and then name a winner?  Interesting.

No, I haven't read the FAQ for playoffs yet, but I intend to tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Still waiting for Adobe to download so I can read up on this stuff.

Interesting that Mulkern being injured isn't mentioned in the article for the UChi game on CMU's site.  Can't say that UChi doesn't know about it, but when preparing for CMU I don't think their QB is a focus for opposing defenses.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2006, 06:20:30 PM
The only way the OHSAA system is simple is that they print out the ranking from the computer by region and it's easy to see who the top eight are.  But the calculation of the ranking with the second level points is anything but simple.  That's why a computer does it.  And that system is all numbers.

When you get Adobe downloaded, there's a post from Ralph Turner back in September with a link to the NCAA Playoff Handbook.  It lists the selection criteria.  In years past I think the NCAA issued regional rankings later in the year (about now).

My recollection is that in years past those criteria were not always followed as written.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 07:11:01 PM
Yeah, I've still got about 3 hours before Adobe is finished so I may not read any of it until tomorrow.

I always knew that OHSAA second and third level points were complicated, but under that system if you took care of the games that you knew you had to take care of then second and third level points really didn't factor in.  Those seemed to help the bubble teams the most.

Still no word on Shey from UChi??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2006, 08:37:29 PM
The student newpaper describes Schey's injury as "recurring."  New edition comes out tomorrow will check if it says anything new.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 08:47:58 PM
Yeah, I still haven't heard anything on Pleotzner's injury either.  He will be a big boost in the middle of the D if Shey is able to play.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2006, 09:04:43 PM
FWIW Schey is in the two-deep, Mulkern and Pleotzner are not
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 09:27:08 PM
FWIW?? 

Well that sucks, I guess Ploetzner's injury was more severe than I thought.  Last I knew he had some kind of calf injury.  Hasn't played since F&M.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2006, 09:38:11 PM
For What It's Worth
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2006, 09:49:29 PM
Okay, sorry, not with it tonight.  All this rain gets me befuddled.  I hope Shey doesn't decide to come back in a big way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 20, 2006, 07:30:09 PM
Finally read the playoff handbook.  I see the point structure for the in-region games.  With all of CMU's games being in-region I can't see them being left out with a 10-0 record.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2006, 09:38:36 PM
Here's to a great game tomorrow for CMU and especially for your brother!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 20, 2006, 07:30:09 PM
Finally read the playoff handbook.  I see the point structure for the in-region games.  With all of CMU's games being in-region I can't see them being left out with a 10-0 record.

Pat regularly tabulates the QOWI (http://www.d3football.com/qow.php), Quality of Wins Index.

CMU is #40 this week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2006, 10:07:20 PM
But #4, I think in Pool B QOWI.

Ooops, #5.  Wesley, W&J, Huntingdon, Thiel, CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 20, 2006, 10:39:47 PM
Thanks cwru70 for wishing my brother a good game.  I expect him to since he is trying so hard to get more recognition from the coaches.  Let's hope CMU keeps rolling even with injuries to a couple key players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2006, 08:38:40 AM
This may be old news before anyone it matters to reads it, but the Chicago Maroon reports Schey as "doubtful" for today's game.

http://maroon.uchicago.edu/pdf/current.pdf   p. 20

[And now we know he didn't play]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2006, 06:39:31 PM
Solid win Tartan!  Loses by Thiel and Bethany could hurt your QOWI.  10-0 is looking likely.

Horrid first half by CWRU, then two second half red zone trips with 0 pts.  Machan for WUStL must have worn himself out last week, it doesn't appear he played this week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 21, 2006, 07:24:38 PM
Yes, solid win indeed.  Robert Gimson with a big day.  11 touches for 148 and 2 TD's.  Long TD run of 90 yds late in the 4th.  Sivek with 97 on the ground and surprisingly, Doug Facemeyer came out firing with 2 TD passes to start the game.

My brother and the rest of the D did a very good job in shutting Chicago out.

Thiel and Bethany losing definitely hurts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 21, 2006, 08:36:26 PM
I don't know about Machan, but I did see today that Chicago's O-Line isn't that strong.  CMU had lots of batted balls at the line of scrimmage and was in Rinklin's face all day mostly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2006, 11:10:48 PM
I did learn they had one vet on the OL go down this year with a broken leg.

CWRU gave up 56 yds on the TD drive and only 86 the rest of the game.

CWRU has contributed mightily to its losses.  The Spartans can beat Chicago and Grove City, if they don't beat themselves.

CMU can win out the regular season, if the keep the "eye on the prize."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2006, 11:30:29 PM
BDT, do you recall who got the int against CWRU and had a long return?  I just realized in the stats it was credited to Kevin Mulkern.  Could that be right?

BTW four losses in the top25.   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2006, 11:48:32 PM
CWRU:

Not only that, but a ton of votes are for grabs. 

Del Val will lose all of their votes and BC probably will, too.  ONU may hang on to a couple votes but only if someone has 4 OAC teams on their ballot.  And Coe will very likely lose their votes unless one of the Warburg voters decides to keep three IIAC teams.

I can tell you I added CMU to my ballot, for what it's worth...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2006, 08:54:25 AM
Correcting myself, I should have said: Four losses by Top 25 teams to non-Top 25 teams.  I wasn't counting Springfield-SJF.  Only Coe of the losing teams was ahead of CMU in the AFCA Poll though.

And I now know the pick was by Jonathan Bodnar, but Mulkern is credited even in the UAA stats.  (#46 not #16) 

Interception-gate?  Editing is not a strength of the CWRU Sports Info Dept.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 03:10:37 PM
Even if it were, there is nothing either team can do to change it.  Not allowed to mess with conference game stats.  As I said before, I have seen CMU change non-conference stats in the past, but not UAA stats.  Yes, Bodnar snared that, I believe he had a 60 yd return. 

I think CMU can win out too.  One game at a time, that's what my dad's been telling me and my brother all our lives. 

I take it Wash. U can't defend a spread team very well.  They have a very tough run D according to stats, but in college sacks and loss of yardage due to them are tacked on to rushing stats and I believe Wash. U has quite a few of them as well.

Now that CMU is getting close and sniffing the playoffs I don't think top 25 is a big deal to them.  I mean it is and it isn't.  If they go 10-0 and get in the playoffs without being ranked in the top 25 then that's bulletin board material for them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 22, 2006, 05:43:22 PM
Whats the eta on the return of the CMU linebacker? Quarterback?

signed,
Gonzo
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 05:59:11 PM
Well MacLeod, Ploetzner was supposed to be ready to go yesterday but I guess they felt an extra week couldn't hurt.  He was on the sidelines in shorts and his jersey.  As far as the QB goes, he is up and walking and they have him on the sidelines, but the chances of him playing again are slim to none. 

The QB situation doesn't bother me much after Facemeyer's performance yesterday.  It's Ploetzner, a Senior and team Captain, that we need on the field.  He helps stuff the run, and he does it so well that it allows their other backers and DB's to sit an extra second sometimes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2006, 06:04:25 PM
CMU's stats do credit itto Bodnar.  It's a crime if this can't be corrected.  It's such a glaring error.  This doesn't even take instant replay!!! ;)

If you can't trust statistics, what can...oh, nevermind.

No love for the Tartans from Hansen.  Still #35, didn't even pass Coe.

Up to #30 @ D3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
Like I said, the polls will just be bulletin board material to them if they go 10-0 and get in the playoffs and still don't get any respect in any of the polls.

Good sign for CMU that CWRU gave WUStL such a good game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2006, 06:57:22 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
CWRU gave WUStL such a good game.
To be accurate the D gave them a good game. The O a good half.

And you're right, here in the "Championship" Divisions  the polls don't mean a thing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 07:00:13 PM
I know what you're saying about CWRU/WUStL.  I was strictly speaking on the score.  I have to think that WUStL's offense is nowhere near what it was last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
cwru70, was CWRU able to run the ball at all against WUStL? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2006, 10:38:13 PM
CWRU's rushing stats are skewed by the sacks.  They rushed for 118 yards on 28 true rushes.  Rosenbury had a 12 yarder as did Checkan.  I think CMU will get at least 200 yards on the ground.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 10:50:07 PM
Yes, I doubt they will have a tough time getting 200 and I doubt WUStL is gonna get their hands on their QB either.  CMU has only given up a handful of sacks all year.

I never did like the way the NCAA tacks sack yardage onto a teams rushing yardage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
Like I said, the polls will just be bulletin board material to them if they go 10-0 and get in the playoffs and still don't get any respect in any of the polls.

Next week CMU actually plays a team that has a winning record. That might help.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 23, 2006, 01:25:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on October 22, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
Like I said, the polls will just be bulletin board material to them if they go 10-0 and get in the playoffs and still don't get any respect in any of the polls.

Next week CMU actually plays a team that has a winning record. That might help.

That will hopefully help. I would put CMU above most of these 1-loss teams right now, so maybe be facing a winnign team they'll earn some respect.
This is a very hot topic now? yay.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2006, 07:53:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 12:53:49 AM
Next week CMU actually plays a team that has a winning record. That might help.

That's another way the few number of teams in the UAA hurts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 23, 2006, 12:09:44 PM
At this point in the season i don't think anybody at CMU is paying much attention to the polls.  I would assume that they are concentrating on finishing the season strong and getting a playoff bid.  They get into the playoffs and the polls don't matter anymore.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2006, 06:18:23 PM
We might see NCCA Regional Rankings after this weekend.  That's a ranking that might mean something.

News flash!!!  May be this week.




Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2006, 10:50:39 AM
CMU #25 in AFCA Poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 24, 2006, 07:32:36 PM
Well, at least the coaches give them a little credit.

Big game this week in St. Louis.  If they win they bring home their tenth UAA title.  Don't quote me, but I believe they have won 6 out right and were co-champs 3 times.

Where and when will be able to find regional rankings?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2006, 08:20:11 PM
I'm sure when they're out there'll be a link on the front page.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 24, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
While its jim dandy to rush the ball a quarter mile, CMU will need to find a way to get the ball in a split ends hands at least 12 yards down field before the end of the season to be prepared for playoff caliber defenses.

Can this be done without the quarterback getting hit?  Probably not, but this offense gets quarterbacks hit, just not blindly.

Dont want to see Erdelyis offense devolve into an Augustana.  Hoping to see some tandem lines and fly ingredients before seasons end.

best regards,
Derek Lutz and Thornton
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on October 24, 2006, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on October 24, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
While its jim dandy to rush the ball a quarter mile, CMU will need to find a way to get the ball in a split ends hands at least 12 yards down field before the end of the season to be prepared for playoff caliber defenses.

Can this be done without the quarterback getting hit?  Probably not, but this offense gets quarterbacks hit, just not blindly.

Dont want to see Erdelyis offense devolve into an Augustana.  Hoping to see some tandem lines and fly ingredients before seasons end.

best regards,
Derek Lutz and Thornton

After seeing how Mount Union played, a team like CMU would have very little chance based on how often they run. Of cours,e that's what their trick plays are for.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on October 25, 2006, 12:36:18 PM
No offense, but everyone gets dominated by Mount Union.  If we lose to Mt. Union in the playoffs, that's a successful season by CMU standards. 

Second, our quarterbacks, first Mulkern now Facemeyer, have been hitting the deep ball all season long.  We don't pass a lot, but when we do we average around 10 yards per attempt.  Not sure if Facemeyer will be quite as successful, but I don't think it's fair to say that CMU can't pass the ball. 

Plus, with Sivek and Gimson grinding out yards, why would we pass it if we're consistently out in front and averaging 5.4 yards a carry for the season?  Stick with what works.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2006, 06:25:30 PM
Welcome CMURyan

Hope you'll stay around and comment.

Solid #5 ranking for CMU in the South.  Typical 1-8, 2-7, etc. seeding does not apply however.  W&L is in line for an AQ.  Three Texas teams creates a potential geography problem.  Millsaps and Sul Ross could have something to say about that.  CMU v W&J would be a possibility.  If CMU holds the number five I don't know that they'd get Mt U in first round.  If Wooster wins the NCAC they might draw that straw.

CMU passed a lot early against Grove City, probably because they were stacking against the run.  They were very successful, but then that was Grove City.

In the prognostication department:  LAZ  CMU by 8   CWRU  by 5
                                                            DH  CMU  31-24   CWRU  21-14

I don't think WUStL gets that many points.  21-7.   In Cleveland neither team gets that many, esp. if Schey doesn't play.  17-12.

Josh Bowerman disagrees w/me on CMU-Mt, but Mr Ypsi seems to be w/me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 25, 2006, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Wizardman on October 24, 2006, 11:47:08 PM
After seeing how Mount Union played, a team like CMU would have very little chance based on how often they run. Of cours,e that's what their trick plays are for.

Those arent trick plays.  They are part of series plays.  Playcalling in the wing t is something different than any other.  Series calls as opposed to gaming another teams best defensive lineman or tendency.  Would be surprising to everyone how much Bill Walsh stole from the wing t to create the touted West Coast (cough! cough!) offense.

Not that there arent trick plays within the wing t, but whereas nearly every other major system offers two types of runs (direct and misdirect), the wing t offers two varieties of diret and three varieties of misdirect, with the major direct run, the Waggle follow actually being a counter.  Dont ask me to explain how a counter is a direct run, it just is.

I wasnt saying CMU couldnt pass the ball either.  I was pointing to a particular reciever within 100 and 900 formation.  The reason I brought up tandem and fly ingredients (or rocket motion) was to cut some stripe from that tack that says if CMU runs the ball that much they cant beat a MUC.

With all the playoff talk, CMU better keep it in gear and take care of business on Saturdays.  Probably will get to see a game in about two weeks.  The last two weeks of the season are gonna be a huuuuuge roadtrip for Macleod.  Expecting to see six maybe even eight major offensive systems put on display in competitive D3 football.

signed,
Clark Shaugnessy
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2006, 10:00:08 PM
I think the "trick plays" being referred to were the WR and RB throwing a forward pass and the fake field goal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on October 26, 2006, 08:57:50 AM
Not sure how the seedings lead to playoff matchups (I wouldn't have thought a 5 seed could play an 8 seed), but a game against W+J would be our dream scenario.  We'd be hosting a game at Gesling Stadium and the place would be rocking (by CMU standards anyway).  Winding up in a region away from Mt. Union would of course be a major plus.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 26, 2006, 03:05:39 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves people.  There is still the UAA "championship" game this weekend in St. Louis and then two more games after that before we start talking Mt. Union.

I do wonder how many OAC teams run the Wing-T and whether or not they run it like Erdelyi.  Because I think he has broke out of his shell with play-calling compared to the box he lived in last year.  I didn't see any passing last year until CMU got behind by too much.  This year he has opened it up a bit.  As far as Facemeyer goes, I don't think there is much of a difference between him and Mulkern other than maturity and game experience.  I do agree with CMURyan that if you can grind out 300 yds. a game and you are ahead in every game then why not pound it down somebody's throats.  Keeps the defense fresh and off the field.  I think the D will be the most important unit if CMU gets into the playoffs.  If they can keep whoever they draw off the scoreboard then Erdelyi and the offense can do what they do and not have to get away from something that they have been doing all year.

CMURyan, nice to have ya.  If you're on the team, good luck this weekend and tell my brother (#37) I said good luck too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
Ryan-Rankings do not equal seedings.  Teams in Top 8 in region aren't even guaranteed to get in the playoffs.  Playoff teams come from the Pools.  And geographic proximity means more to the NCAA than rankings.  They have to fly teams that have to travel more the 500 miles.  And the playoff "regions" aren't the same as the ranking regions.  N teams have gone E before.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2006, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 26, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
Ryan-Rankings do not equal seedings.  Teams in Top 8 in region aren't even guaranteed to get in the playoffs.  Playoff teams come from the Pools.  And geographic proximity means more to the NCAA than rankings.  They have to fly teams that have to travel more the 500 miles.  And the playoff "regions" aren't the same as the ranking regions.  N teams have gone E before.

Good points!  And to clarify a bit more, there's still 2-3 weeks left in the season, so the current rankings could be shaken up quite a bit.  Also, in the North, the MIAA has an AQ, but no team currently in the top ten - there goes another opening (not sure whether this is true in any other region)!

While moving a team to a different region is fairly rare, it does usually happen at least once each year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2006, 07:10:29 PM
Trying to bring the new kids up to speed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2006, 08:11:17 PM
Congrats to CMU's Aaron Lewis

http://www.d3football.com/notables.php

The ESPN crawl only lists the DI finalists.   HsssssssssBoo
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
Mount Union seems to have little trouble with Augustana's Wing-T in the playoffs on a regular basis. I'm sure they can manage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 26, 2006, 09:07:32 PM
What are the take on this weekends matchup of CMU and WasUStL? 

Polar opposites offensively last year if remembering correctly.  Ground and pound for CMU and vertical passing for the Bears.

Could bode bad things if WasU reels off more than one early score.  Even though a wing t advocate, still get caught up in that Lindy Infante mindset that thinks highscoring affairs are for passing game track meets.  That being said, CMU can score often with their running attack, but strategically theyre better suited playing with a lead than from behind.

Anything more than a 12 point lead by WasU could prove to be CMUs demise in this one.  Whats the word on the return of the CMU linebacker?  Any insight on CMU defensively would be appreciated, particularly secondary.  Does CMU get a pass rush with their front four or do they have to do something in the blitz game?

Pat, not actually matching them up against Raiders, youll notice the indefinte article before my instantiation of mUC earlier.  Hard to get a gauge on the UAA teams until the NCAC agreement is in full force.  Just wouldnt have had the same meaning if had said a Trinity.

And congrats to Aaron Lewis.

best regards,
Boyd Dowler
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 26, 2006, 09:30:45 PM
I wasn't trying to say that CMU's wing-T is the greatest.  I just wondered if Mount sees that much of it and whether or not it is run like Erdelyi's.

As far as Ploetzner goes, I would think he's ready to go this week unless he has had a setback.  I don't know how much he would play but seeing him in shorts and his jersey on the sideline last week made me think he was ready last week.

MacLeod, CMU only has a front 3 but I have seen them send a LB or two on occasion, but they do well enough rush their 3 down linemen.  The NT Mike Reggie is a big boost on that line and allows CMU to rush just 3 on most downs.  I would have to say that the secondary is healthy and playing well with 3 seniors and a junior.  Other than that I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, congrats to Aaron Lewis.  Let's hope he brings another one home for the UAA and D3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2006, 09:45:48 PM
WUStL has struggled offensively.  Eg, 13 pts, 142 yds v CWRU.  Their attack is more balanced this year, mostly because the passing game is down.  They've scored 3 1st Q TDs all year.  Their D did hold Wheaton to 134 yds rushing the lowest of the year, but they gave up 300 yds passing.  And lost 48-7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2006, 08:22:06 AM
Support from K-Mack for a CMU-W&J first rounder.  This year also has the potential for a W&J-W&L matchup.  The Generals still have to beat Bridgewater and E&H though.  Maybe just beating E&H.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 27, 2006, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 26, 2006, 09:45:48 PM
WUStL has struggled offensively.  Eg, 13 pts, 142 yds v CWRU.  Their attack is more balanced this year, mostly because the passing game is down.  They've scored 3 1st Q TDs all year.  Their D did hold Wheaton to 134 yds rushing the lowest of the year, but they gave up 300 yds passing.  And lost 48-7.

Knew WUStL lost a record breaking receiver last year, but what about the quarterback?

Last week was a tough week for my alma mater, especially given the five horse race in the NCAC, but the redeeming quality (for myself at least) was the fact a wing t team was the conqueror; though again, as with Augustana, am not a very big fan of their version.

Is the CMU defense a thirty front or fifty?  Please dont let it be one of those 3-3-5 things I sooo despise.  Really only liked it in the nascent version when the Michigan directional schools in the MAC were employing overgrown safeties as ends in fifty fronts back in the late eighties and ealry nineties; thought that was a case of coaching and scheming to your talent, whereas this 3-3-5 thing seems to be becoming an institution or something.

The thirty fronts do have some redeeming qualities if your offense is expecting to control the possessions and score with relative consistency.  Sound like the wing t?  Twas those explosive offensive teams of Kosar and Testaverde that really first footed the 4-3 weve all come to know and love,  growing from the college 4-3 with the SOLB walked up with cover three to the monstrosity that became the cover two with WOLBs splitting distance with recievers out the box.

best regards,
Dee Dowis
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 27, 2006, 03:58:41 PM
Well, I couldn't tell you half their shemes, but CMU runs a straight up 3-4 for the most part.  I did notice last week that Chicago runs a nickel 3-3-5.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2006, 06:35:52 PM
MacLeod  They have 2 senior QBs, both of whom played last year.  The one who played most last year, Henry, (all 10 games) hasn't fared too well ths season.  Don't know if there is an injury issue.  After they split time early, McCarthy has been pretty much full time the last several games. 

BDT, If you are lsitening to the game, please keep us filled in. I'll be listening to CWRU-UChi.  Spartans need a win to get to .500.

Go Spartans and Tartans!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 27, 2006, 08:15:05 PM
I am going to try to listen to the game on the webcast but its kind of choppy since I only have about a 24 kbps connection.  I will give updates when I can.

Good luck to your Spartans.  I think CWRU/UChi. will be a good game to watch.  Where is it at??  If it is at CWRU and not during the CMU/WUStL game then I would have half a mind to drive up and see it.  Only because I think that it is a good match-up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2006, 08:22:25 PM
It's in Cleveland...but Noon kickoff.  I'll tune into CMU-WUStL afterwards.

CWRU got as close to them as anyone in UAA last year 14-7.  If the Spartans can protect the ball, it should be a W.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 27, 2006, 09:34:23 PM
That pretty much goes for CMU as well.  At least that is how I feel.  If they can go mistake free and keep the Bears off the scoreboard then I think eventually the flood gates will open for CMU's ground game.  UChi. was only giving up about 80 yds. a game on the ground and CMU got 272 with over 100 of that coming in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 12:22:48 PM
Whalen fumble inside the 20 leads to TD.  7-0 Chicago.  Ouch! 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 12:32:19 PM
Yeah, that hurts.  Mirando hurt or ust hasn't been doing the job??

The CMU game won't start till' 1:00 here.  I wish my connection was a bit faster because its quite choppy with equal spots of silence and sound.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 12:36:35 PM
Whalen slips in end zone, questionable safety for Chi 9-0.  Another CWRU fumble led to good field position and a punt by Chicago inside the 5.

Whalen has started most games.  Mirando is in now, but has cast on left hand.  This is uglier than the weather!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 12:44:05 PM
Jeez, that sux.  That's why I am glad CMU likes to pound the ball.  This kind of weather plays to their advantage against most teams.

Is that Mirando injury due to hitting his hand on a helmet in the CMU game???
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 01:02:59 PM
Three fumbles were all on running plays.  That was the start of the injury, but seemed to do the same thing last week as well.

The halftime hole is not as deep as last week.  Rosenbury was able to gain some yards at the end of the half mostly because the D was looking pass.

The 9 points are all on the O.  The TD was a 14 yd drive.

The weather is getting uglier.  Lightning and thurdersnowstorms.  30 min delay in start of half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 01:21:51 PM
CMU with the ball on WashU's 23 yd. line.  1st and ten with under 4 min to go in 1st quarter. 

Score 0-0
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 01:22:46 PM
With the CWRU delay, I'm listening to CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 01:26:50 PM
End of 1st quarter score is 0-0.  Tartans have 2nd and goal but are driving into a fierce win.

Wait, touchdown Facemeyer, PAT is good

7-0 Tartans. with 14:15 to go in 2nd quarter
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 01:36:12 PM
CMU has to punt deep in their own territory.  Erdelyi decides to run a jet-sweep on 3rd and short.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 01:40:51 PM
Didn't catch it but WashU scores and makes it 7-7 with about 8 to go in 2nd.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 01:43:11 PM
Long TD pass.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 01:58:18 PM
CWRU takes second half KO and rides rushing of Rosenbury and 26 yarder Whalen to Brenner to a FG.  9-3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
Good, good.  I didn't like what I was hearing at the end of the half in St. Louis.  Sounds like WashU is stuffing the CMU running game for the time-being.  Let's hope they make the right adjustments during halftime.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 02:19:47 PM
Whalen tries home run ball into the gale picked off.  Threw away (literally) good field position.  Start of Q4.

D holds Whalen picked off again.  UChi in the red zone.

D holds and FG no good.  CWRU ball on 20.  38 yd pass Whalen to Brenner.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 02:28:30 PM
CMU and WashU playing field position battle as we speak.  3rd and 7 for WashU at their own 20 with about 7 to go in Q3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 02:31:35 PM
I am guessing that whoever's defense makes a play and gets a turnover is going to decide the ball-game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 02:49:45 PM
Tartans better have something up their sleeves because WashU is driving into CMU territory with about 10 to go in Q4.  WashU has the wind at their back.  Defense, Defense, Defense is the name of this game.

I really hope CMU pulls this one out for the UAA title and more importantly their playoff aspirations.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 02:57:40 PM
Whalen leads CWRU down the field TD w/21 ticks PAT GOOD 10-9!!!
Defense overcomes 6 turnovers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 03:21:22 PM
Two squeakers!  Congrats Tartans.  Looks like your brother had a great game too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 03:26:03 PM
WOW!  WashU hurt themselves with penalties on their first posession in OT and do not score.  Sivek bulls the ball down inside WashU's five and Greenstein hits the game-winning FG in OT.

10-7 CMU wins UAA championship!!!!

That's funny, didn't hear my brother's name called once on WRCT.  I hope he had a great game, we will see.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 03:33:02 PM
1 sack 1 TFL per stats.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 03:40:43 PM
Sweet, good for him.  Where did you find stats so quickly??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2006, 04:38:22 PM
There was a live stats link from the d3football.com scoreboard.  I didn't think it was there at the start of the game.  WUStL site has them now too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 05:36:26 PM
All right, thanks.  I was just busy trying to keep the game going over my slow internet connection.  I talked to my brother about 10 minutes ago.  He said the front 7 on defense pretty much kept them right there and gave them the opportunity to win it.  He said they threw a lot of zone blitzes at WashU and it was pretty easy getting to the QB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 07:48:35 PM
Congratulations Carnegie Mellon.

First win against Washington MO in 8 years.

First UAA title in 9 years.

Intersting stat: Both punters punted the same amount of times for the same amount of yards.  8 punts, 277 yards apiece.  Matt Adams from CMU put 3 inside the 20 and Chazz Moody from WUStL did it twice.

HUGE win for the Tartans as now they get to come home UAA champions to play Bethany at Gesling Stadium.  CMU's front seven had an excellent game as my brother had a sack, Curran had a sack, Reggie had a sack, Sisson had 2 sacks, and Ploetzner had an interception late in the 4th quarter to stop a WUStL drive.  Even James Rogers had a clutch first down on a fake punt to him at upback.

I expect them to use this as fuel to keep chugging right on into the playoffs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 28, 2006, 10:22:57 PM
cwru70, who do the Spartans have remaining on their schedule?  You were hoping for a .500 season, which is why I ask.  Do you think they can get to .500 now that they squeaked past UChi.??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 29, 2006, 06:34:37 AM
Boo jetsweep. Hooray tandem right, rocket motion left to dive back motion carrying out the fake z belly right to fullsweep left.

Get all that.

Way to go CMU.

Get Ploetzner back and in one week seals the deal.  Nice!

Zone blitzes you say.  From a 3-4.  Fire zone blitzes from cover four?


best regards,
Husker Du
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on October 29, 2006, 08:50:45 AM
Huge win!  CMU's QOW moved up to 22nd which I believe is second among Pool B teams.  Got to figure if they can get past Bethany and Thiel they'll be in great shape.    Tartan- I'm not on the team, just a student here who enjoys sports (rare though that may be at CMU). 

I listened to the second half on WRCT.  It sounded like the wind was a huge factor and that the D lines for both teams were getting penetration into the backfield all game long.  The way that Sivek ran in OT I think proves the point that even if we can hit the big pass occasionally, we're still a grinding football team.  Defenses wear down just a little bit towards the end.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 29, 2006, 09:29:09 AM
Next week is Grove City.  The D should keep it close, but do we have new Cardiac Kids in Cleveland on O?  Whalen seems to ba a bit tentative, especially about pulling it down commiting to the run.  The banged up OL has him running for his life.  Waaaay to many Ints.  Even had one picked off that he was trying to throw OB, while in the grasp.  The OL had another injury yesterday.  And Brown, who was filling in for Decesare, hasn't played the last two weeks.  Cowdrick and Dudek did return at WR.  Cowdrick made a diving catch at the 2 to set up the TD.  He may have been reinjured on the catch.  But football injuries must be minor stuff to a guy who fell 40 feet of a roof!  Of course that may be why he is susceptible to these injuries.  Like this week, protect the ball we should win.  Give it up six times, at it will be a nail biter.

Last game is W&L (Lee not Jeff).  They started slow, but have some talented players.  The beat CWRU big time last year.  A win there would be a surprise.

My hope for the season was 6-4.  Loss to Ursisnus messed that up.  I hoped for one UAA win.  Thought it would be CMU.  Wrong again there.  With FR QB and all the injuries, 5-5 is acceptable.  A lot of new players contributed this year.  Too early for a season re-cap.

Good win for CMU, when not having their A game.  Surprised WUStL throttled the run as well as they did.  Sivek did about what he did against CWRU, but Gimson didn't get many yards, but then he didn't break a big one which is usually how he gets 'em.  And Facemeyer had a tough day as well.  A long  TD pass and a long Gimson run were the difference against CWRU.  Mahan started for WUStL, but didn't have that many stops, did he go out?

Bethany shouldn't be a problem.  Ploetzner back will be big for Thiel and playoff.  Go Tartans!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 29, 2006, 02:41:23 PM
Drew Wethington is the DL that had the most impact for the Bears.  4 TFL and their only sack of the day.  Well, at least this win proves that they are good enough to find a way to win when they aren't able to do what they want to do.  The defense was HUGE!  Yes, MacLeod, zone blitzing is what my brother said, and he said it had them off guard all day long.  I am guessing that they showed zone all day long and picked and chose where and when to send a LB or two.

I hope the Tartans don't take these last two games lightly.  Bethany is an improved team from last year and even though Thiel is down, they could still hurt the Tartans.  Many people on other boards believe Thiel will probably beat CMU, but I have faith that these Seniors and the rest of the team will put these games away and march into the playoffs.  None of their likely draws sound like a promising opponent.  I think CMU stands the best chance against W&J, but most people on the PAC board seem to think that W&J would "roll" over the Tartans.  I kindly pointed out that the Presidents are in a situation where CMU probably wants them in the first round considering their other likely pairings i.e. Mt. Union, Capital, UMHB.

Let's see them take care of these last two first.  Go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 29, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
cwru70, I don't think your Spartans will have too much trouble against GCC.  The Tartans shut GCC out and your Spartans gave CMU a decent game.  If I remember correctly, GCC only threatened once.  I believe they will get to that .500 mark your hoping for.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 30, 2006, 09:22:56 PM
Geez, what happened, the short UAA schedule is over and everybody goes home?  No talk on here.  I've been spending my time on other boards since we have little or no action on here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
Sorry, I've had a busy couple of days.  I even missed updated CMU's rise to #27.

Kind of a blah week.  GCC and Bethany aren't teams to stir up much fire.  Bethany has improved, but not enough to challenge CMU.

CWRU's offense has as much capacity to give the game away as to win it.  I'm thinking Mirando should play most of the game, just put Whalen in at the end of each half where his daring style can't get into too much trouble.  Rosenbury's game picked up against Chicago...One yard short of 100.  The D should contain GCC, if the offense can just hold on to the ball and score at least three TD's.

Interesting with all the denigration of who CMU has played, that Whitworth also hasn't beaten a team with a winning record.  And they had to go to OT to beat a second division WIAC team.  Must be the NWC cache'.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 30, 2006, 10:27:38 PM
I noticed that too.  I was going to bring it up on one of the playoff boards but I figured that I would get shredded for bringing that up.  Plus I am assuming that Whitworth's schedule has been strong in recent years and most of the teams they play are having down years.  I don't know.  I doubt that any UAA team will be taken seriously until they make a deep run into the playoffs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2006, 08:24:24 AM
As far as I can see the biggest Whitworth success was keeping within 15 points of Linfield in 2004 & 2005.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 31, 2006, 11:03:24 PM
Oh well, all I could hope for is that CMU wins out and at least gets one playoff win.  That may get the proverbial monkey off their backs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 01, 2006, 04:49:17 PM
Yeah, there is quite a disparity in the Hansen poll between CMU and Whitworth.  CMU at #34 and Whitworth at #10??  I haven't checked any of the other polls, but I am assuming Whitworth is getting the same treatment in those as well.  Can't figure it out.  You're right, the only team they play worth anything is Linfield and you already stated what they did against Linfield in the recent past.  It's kind of funny.  I almost wish Thiel was having the kind of year they had last year so when CMU beats them it would really give them some respect, but what would that matter when its the last game of the season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 01, 2006, 04:55:38 PM
Checked the other polls.  Same situation:

D3.com poll - CMU is at 27 and Whitworth is at 10

AFCA poll - CMU is at 26 and Whitworth is at 9

Interesting enough, I would like to hear some of the reasons for this if their schedules are that comparable.  Don't want to get my head ripped off though, so I'm going to do a little research first then we'll see what some of the gurus have to say about it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 07:54:36 PM
Don't believe they are so comparable. Just because the win-loss record of two teams is the same doesn't mean they are the same quality of opponent.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 01, 2006, 08:22:29 PM
Pat, as I stated in the other board, most of the knocks on CMU is not playing a winning team.  Whitworth hasn't played a winning team either.  So what's the deal then?  Is it just me or do the UAA schools not get any credit because they are Academic Institutions first and foremost?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2006, 08:38:29 PM
It seems to me CMU deserved more credit for taking Thiel to OT last year (3 yet), a team that won a playoff game.  And the F&M win should have looked better at the time, since F&M beat W&L.  Although you could argue that W&L was breaking in a new QB.

UAA cred would have suffered when WUStL lost to Wheaton and North Central and Chicago to DEPaul and Elmhurst.

Here's to CMU beating Bethany and Thiel and getting an evenly matched first round game to show their stuff.

And schedule Delaware Valley next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 01, 2006, 08:22:29 PM
Is it just me or do the UAA schools not get any credit because they are Academic Institutions first and foremost?

I expect the UAA's playoff record is far more of a leading indicator in that direction.

I am not going to have this discussion with you on two boards, however. Once is enough.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2006, 09:59:25 PM
And it didn't help the UAA that CWRU started 2003 just below the Top 25, got blown out by Wooster and fell to 5-5.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2006, 06:35:43 PM
I see Ploetzner (sp) is in the two-deep. That's good!! 

Go Spartans and Tartans (Bears and Maroons, too)!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
To give a boost to UAA cred, in 2004 CMU (1-2 UAA) beat the ascendant Wesley (8-2).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 03, 2006, 11:25:05 PM
Yeah, its Senior Day so they are starting some seniors who haven't played as much this year.

And the Wesley win was discussed on another board.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2006, 09:28:33 AM
Yeah, I just wanted to make the point that they weren't even the top UAA team. But then Wesley wasn't getting any credit in the poll then either.

Hope Ploetzner's starting is more than token and he'll be full go against Thiel.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2006, 02:32:03 PM
CMU 35  Bethany 0  Half

GCC 19  CWRU 6  12:00 3Q
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2006, 03:42:45 PM
No let up for the Tartans.  44-6

Spartan D has an off day, turn overs don't help, GCC 40-33. 40 points to a team averaging about 17?  Ouch, ouch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 04, 2006, 08:07:59 PM
Yeah, ouch is right.  I really thought the Spartans had a shot at GCC.

CMU absolutely steam-rolled Bethany.  Sivek became only the second back to reach the 1,000 yd mark in a season and he also scored 4 times.  Their looking tough heading into Thiel.  We'll see what happens next weekend and where they are going to go in the playoffs if they win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 04, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
Steam rolled is right.  I was a little bothered by the success that Bethany had passing early on, but once we knocked their QB out, that problem was solved.

Looking at the results (and not that I like this scenario), it looks like we could probably still get a B bid with a loss.  Linfield and Rockford both lost essentially narrowing the B field down to 4 teams.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 04, 2006, 10:20:34 PM
Its a possibility, but who's to say the people who decide the bids like the looks of CMU having 1 loss with our weak schedule.  I would still rather be 10-0 so that they have the best opportunity at getting the best first round matchup they can get.

The passing didn't bother me any because Bethany runs a spread offense with virtually no running game.  Its one thing to go down the field with the spread but putting it into the endzone is a different story.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 05, 2006, 08:27:48 PM
Interesting notes about Sivek's 1,000 yard season.  The last and only other time CMU had a 1,000 rusher was Scott Barnyak in 1990, coincidentally the last time CMU went 10-0 and made the playoffs.  Sivek has only failed to reach the 100 yd. mark three times this season.  He has reached the 1,000 yard mark while fellow junior Robert Gimson is averaging the most yards per carry for any CMU back with 825 yards on 110 carries at a 7.5 yd/rush clip.  Depending on what happens next weekend at Thiel, CMU could have two backs reach the 1,000 yard mark in the same season.

Me being a fan and seeing every game except for the Wash. U game would have to say that the O-line play is largely responsible for this season's rushing success.  They're really going out there and pushing people around.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 05, 2006, 09:52:24 PM
And by my check 4 on the OL return.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 05, 2006, 10:37:58 PM
You might as well count it as all five.  J.P. White is the only Senior on the O-Line, but when he was out for a while I believe an underclassmen came in and did a great job.  Forgive me, but I can't recall his name right now.  Yes, CMU is looking to reload next year as they lose Mulkern and a couple good receivers on offense.  They are graduating more on defense, but alot more players have rotated in on that side of the ball this year.  It will be tough replacing Lewis and Scarmazzi at the safety spots, but they have a pretty athletic freshman that could see a starting position next year at safety.  Losing the two ILB's will hurt too, but the defense will have a chance to grow and get better while the offense that returns picks up wherever it leaves off this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 05, 2006, 10:39:41 PM
BDTartan,

Check your email - some info you may seek is there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 05, 2006, 10:53:07 PM
All right, thanks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 05, 2006, 11:10:17 PM
Heres some karma back for you BD.  Should probably steer clear of the PAC board.  Theyre afraid to get dragged into the travel arrangements in later weeks should they draw you guys in the first round of the playoffs.  Really think you guys will be moved regionally for the sake of brackets, but at no expense travelwise geographically. 

How well did Ploetzner play this past weekend and whats his condition look like going into a potential postseason run?  Probably no more important position in playoff football than the enforcer in the middle.

Potential for two thousand yard backs is something, but in the wing t Ill take one with 900 and two others with 700.  They all have to block for each other, something unfamiliar to the trophy backs of some systems.

Good prospect talk for next year as well, considering the returners and those who have become experienced filling in for injured seniors over the course of a long season.

signed,
JawsFan
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 05, 2006, 11:32:08 PM
Thanks for the karma MacLeod.  I'll take your advice.  I would say Ploetzner is pretty health now.  He had two tackles against Bethany, but with them throwing the ball up the field 95% of the time the leading tacklers were DB's.

Sivek has 1,000, Gimson has 825 and Whitman and Cakert(who have split time pretty equally) have chipped in about 150 apiece.

I expect Thiel to give CMU a great game and tune them up for the playoffs. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 05, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
Nice to see the defense play well against a system completely foreign to their own.  Running teams can stop the run because they see it in practice, and passing teams rush and cover well.  CMU doing well against a spread team bodes well. 

Sometimes when a team is diescast to play a certain way they become unbalanced.  A power running team is tough and strong but lacks finesse and a spread or run and shoot passing team has finesse  but not enough grit.

While Bethany is by no means a world beater, they did come back in a very fast pace against a fellow oneback team in Franklin, who I think youll be hosting in the opening round.  Bethanys shakedown with TMC in a few weeks will give better scope and clarity as to where the UAA stands against the up and coming HCAC as Franklin and MSJ will have opponents in commmon with your own.

Still would like to see Erdelyi go to more rocket motion to open the laser and passing game, but that would just be too Houston.

signed,
the Gary Tranquill Gang
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 06, 2006, 12:10:49 AM
Erdelyi has his knocks, but you should have seen his play-calling last year.  I must say that he has made leaps and bounds this year compared to last.  Remembering the Thiel game, I should have seen his play-calling during that game as a pre-cursor to this year.  It seemed like he ran the same 5 or 6 plays over and over again last year.

You mentioning Franklin is the first time I've heard them as a first round opponent.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 06, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
I also forgot to mention MacLeod that Bethany was the fourth team out of the last five games that ran the spread against CMU so............they did well against all the teams that ran it.  The only team that gave them a really good fight was CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 07, 2006, 11:55:17 AM
FWIW...CMU cracks AFCA Top 25 @ #23. Just behind #22 W&J.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 07, 2006, 08:54:52 PM
Good.  Now let's hope they win out and at least make a good showing in the playoffs so they can build off of that ranking.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
Doubleheader in Cleveland Saturday.  Football at 1 v W&L and UAA champ men's soccer in a second round NCAA playoff game v Denison at 6.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 08, 2006, 09:16:25 PM
That should be entertaining.  W&L need a win to have any hope of a chance at the playoffs do they not?  CWRU could play spoiler and get to .500 in the process.

Well, it sounds like CMU is in win or lose.  I assume that if they win they probably host and if they lose the travel somewhere.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2006, 09:24:02 PM
W&L has clinched the ODAC AQ.  The game could be interesting.  Last year Debeljak used the finale' to unveil Joe Brenner as a WR.  Wonder what he will have up his sleeve this year?  Need to find WRs and a NT for next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 08, 2006, 09:27:54 PM
Yeah, sounds like a good game for a stepping stone to next year.

So who do you think wins if CMU and W&J hook up in the first round?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2006, 10:56:18 PM
Dunno much about W&J.  Score comparasons favor CMU by 4 for GCC and W&J by 16 for Westminster.  Laz would favor W&J by 2 +or- 1 for homefield.  Massey MOV ranks CMU 44th, W&J 53rd.

Looks like a very competitive matchup.  Hope it happens.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 08, 2006, 11:08:55 PM
I do as well.  That would mean CMU will open the playoffs at home.  I think that will benefit CMU much more than if they had to go to W&J.  From what I can tell, CMU would probably have to ride their defense and hope the offense churns out some good drives with TD;s at the end of them.  Eat clock and keep W&J out of the endzone as much as possible.  That's the way CMU has played all year.  So I don't see them changing much.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 09, 2006, 02:02:25 PM
Yeah, I think I'm going to stay right here on this board for a while now.  I don't want to ruffle anyone else's feathers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 09, 2006, 07:47:26 PM
I lied, I had to check out what folks are saying about the Thiel game on the PAC board.  Most of them favor the Tomcats naturally.  I will be at the game and I expect it to be a good one, but I don't know if my heart would last another OT thriller.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 10, 2006, 05:55:28 PM
Get the job done Tartans!!

I suspect only if we catch W&L looking ahead to the playoffs (as Thiel might have done with CMU last year) is there hope for 5-5 for the Spartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 09:20:10 AM
Asked by BDT:
"What kind of teams are Ohio Wesleyan and Allegheny?  Kenyon?"

OWU-CMU would be interesting, both wing-t teams.  'gheny has great tradition, and was a PAC foe.  Those two are regarded as first division NCAC teams.  This year and last were disappointing for OWU, but they upset Witt this year.  Kenyon is reviving from the depths a few years back when they were down to thirty-something players.  They surprised a couple of good teams last year, but not this.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 01:33:05 PM
Maybe W&L is looking ahead.  CWRU 10  W&L  0  1:16 1st

Nick Decesare returns for the first time since week 3 for his final game as a senior, so he won't be a medical redshirt (redundant, I guess)

Halftime CWRU 17  W&L  3 and it should have been more.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 11, 2006, 03:29:35 PM
Way to go CMU!!  Maybe now the critics will shut up about the wimpy schedule.  14-7 in a game that sounded like CMU dominated physically.  Travis Sivek breaks the all time rushing record...as a junior. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 03:42:36 PM
CWRU dominates playoff bound W&L  27-9.  Great way for 11 seniors to finish!

Chicago and WUStL won, too.  Great day for UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 04:53:47 PM
How's this for a (one man) Team of the Week performance?

## Player            Solo  Ast  Tot  TFL/Yds  FF FR-Yd Intc BrUp Blkd Sack/Yds QH
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
97 Calderone, Bria    9    5   14  6.0/25   1    1-32   .      1    .          4.0/18   .

The FR went for a TD.  Oh yeah, kicked 3 PATs and 2 FGs (15 of CWRU's 27pts)
And a 64yd KO. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on November 11, 2006, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 11, 2006, 04:53:47 PM
How's this for a (one man) Team of the Week performance?

## Player            Solo  Ast  Tot  TFL/Yds  FF FR-Yd Intc BrUp Blkd Sack/Yds QH
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
97 Calderone, Bria    9    5   14  6.0/25   1    1-32   .      1    .          4.0/18   .

The FR went for a TD.  Oh yeah, kicked 3 PATs and 2 FGs (15 of CWRU's 27pts)
And a 64yd KO. 
wow, nice. But yeah congrats to CMU at 10-0. Obviously they'll get a spot in the plyoffs somewhere now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 05:58:28 PM
Several loses in the Top 25 should get them in there as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 11, 2006, 06:42:13 PM
Yup, and with the Trinity loss, we should be the #4 seed in the South.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 11, 2006, 07:24:12 PM
I can't say much other than that CMU's defense is nasty.  You can gash em' for a big play here and there but then they come right back and hit you in the mouth.  The only time Thiel even sniffed the endzone today was on the last drive when they were in hurry-up and CMU's safety blew a coverage and the WR caught the ball in the endzone with nobody even around him.  Other than that, the closest Thiel got was about the CMU 40 on their first drive.  I give credit to Thiel's QB, on the TD drive he took hard shot after hard shot, but he hung in there tough.

Today, CMU's offense was completely one dimensional.  They announce at the end of the game that he had 40 carries for 172 and a TD.  That gave him the all-time rushing record atCMU with 2,912 yards.  I like it because now your best offensive weapon doesn't have that on his mind going into the playoffs.  Also, they  don't give a whole lot to their first round opponent in a film. 

Excellent season.  I only missed one game and that was the one in St. Louis.  I can't wait to see who they get in the first round and let's hope they make something of it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2006, 08:27:25 PM
Congrats to CWRU's Women's XC which won the Great Lakes Reg. and Men's soccer which defeated Denison in the school first ever soccer tourney game.  They face OWU in the sectionals next weekend.  Both squads were UAA champs.

Oh, and the wrestlers went 3-0 in a quad match.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:19:07 PM
Congrats to Carnegie Mellon on making the post season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 01:02:34 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely going to find somewhere I can watch the selection show.  I hope CMU gets a competitive first round match-up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 12, 2006, 02:48:36 PM
Bracket for us makes no sense at all.  WJ was ranked higher than CNU before this weekend, and now they're playing at CNU?  Dickinson is obviously the 8 seed in the bracket, playing at Wesley.  Theoretically, that makes CMU #4.  Why are we playing Milsaps?  Did the figure airfare to Pittsburgh would be cheaper than Norfolk (CNU)?  Seems like you've got a normal bracket if it's Milsaps at CNU and WJ at CMU. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 02:55:57 PM
Doesn't make sense to me either as it was pointed out on another board that W&J at CMU and CNU at Milsaps would be cheaper travel wise and W&J at CMU would probably make quite a bit more money than Milsaps at CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: exmajor on November 12, 2006, 03:02:44 PM
Just for clarification it is spelled Millsaps  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 03:07:54 PM
Yeah, sorry.  Keyboard slipped ;D.  Millsaps on a 7 game win streak, who did they lose their first three to?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2006, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 03:07:54 PM
Yeah, sorry.  Keyboard slipped ;D.  Millsaps on a 7 game win streak, who did they lose their first three to?

Millsaps lost 52-28 to cross-town rival Mississippi College (5-5/ASC 3-5).

Millsaps lost 41-38 to Louisiana College (4-5/ASC 2-5).

Millsaps lost 35-34 to Huntingdon AL (6-4).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 03:25:25 PM
Thanks for the info Ralph.  It looks like they took their lumps early and rebounded well, especially with the win over Trinity.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: exmajor on November 12, 2006, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 03:25:25 PM
Thanks for the info Ralph.  It looks like they took their lumps early and rebounded well, especially with the win over Trinity.

BD,

Millsaps has a former DI coach and he is known for Defense, it has taken close to a year and a half for the defense to get it figured out, the first three games unfortunately fell in that timetable.  I do not think the scores would be the same with the current Millsaps team.  Dubose also stated he wanted to use non-conference as a preseason of sorts to get ready for conference play, so not sure Millsaps had their best foot forward early on?  Should be an interesting matchup this weekend if CMU likes to run alot.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2006, 05:10:18 PM
The Wesley bracket is perplexing.  And CMU and W&J can't meet until regional final.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 08:00:40 PM
Yeah, I noticed that.  Probably not likely, but anything could happen.

As far as Millsaps D goes.................like I said, I don't anything about them.  CMU is 4th in the nation in rushing I believe.  Their scoring defense also ranks 4th.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2006, 08:32:48 PM
Remember when I said the NCAA would baffle the gurus?

Millsaps may not have seen CMU's wing-t.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 08:48:37 PM
Yes, you may have a point cwru70.  Also, if they haven't seen it at all since Dubose has been there then it may give their defense fits considering him being a former D1 coach then he hasn't seen it in a long time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2006, 08:59:56 PM
Interesting yardage for CWRU v W&L:

Rushing   129
Passing   119
Return     185

W&L  total offense  137
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 09:16:30 PM
Wow, over 400 total yards.  I take it that CWRU solved its turnover problems in this game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2006, 10:46:25 PM
Remember those return yards don't count for total offense.  Turnovers not exactly solved except that the D got a pick-six and a fumble return for a td, and 2 other ints and a fumble recovery.  O still lost 2 fumbles and Whelan had 1 int to match his 1 TD pass.  At one point in the game there were turnovers on three consecutive plays (2 by W&L).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 10:57:56 PM
Wow.  I know the return yds don't fall under total "offense", but they do fall under "total yards"
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 10:59:07 PM
All returns do not fall under total offense. Kickoff returns do not count in all-purpose yards.

Just wearing my stat hat for a second there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2006, 11:19:51 PM
I guess I was wrong.  I always thought that returns were figured into "total yards".
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 13, 2006, 04:01:29 AM
Quote from: exmajor on November 12, 2006, 05:08:26 PM
Millsaps has a former DI coach and he is known for Defense, it has taken close to a year and a half for the defense to get it figured out, the first three games unfortunately fell in that timetable.  I do not think the scores would be the same with the current Millsaps team.  Dubose also stated he wanted to use non-conference as a preseason of sorts to get ready for conference play, so not sure Millsaps had their best foot forward early on?  Should be an interesting matchup this weekend if CMU likes to run alot.

To stop the wing t theyll have to do more than stop the run.  Might look like the wing t is always running, but there is more method to the madness than apparent.  Erdelyi was Dan Marinos coach after all, and I heard he could throw the ball.  Elway was a wing t quarterback once as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 07:47:30 AM
Yes, excellent points MacLeod, +1.

I've stated before that I don't know much about Millsaps, but I think if the Tartans stay focused and calm and do what they've done all year they can get the job done.  Ball control and defense is their modus operandi.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2006, 07:58:25 AM
To my knowledge there isn't an official category "total yards."

Pat...is there a reason KO returns don't count for all-purpose?  I never noticed that.  Did you maybe mean fumble returns?  CWRU's stats list KORs under all-purpose, but omit fumble returns from both that category and "all returns."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: exmajor on November 13, 2006, 10:17:02 AM
I posted this on the SCAC board, thought you guys might be interested:

Now, from my quick research there are no direct links between Millsaps and CMU as far as common opponents go, but there are some common teams amongst the two schools when you dig a little.

CMU beat Colorado College 50-26
Colorado College lost to Huntingdon 21-14; Millsaps lost to Huntingdon 35-34
Colorado College lost to Rhodes 28-10; Millsaps beat Rhodes 14-6

CMU beat Chicago 27-0
Chicago lost to Depauw 31-6; Millsaps beat Depauw 31-7
Chicago lost to Wash U. 26-7

CMU beat Wash U 10-7 in 1OT
Wash U lost to Rhodes 6-3 in 1OT; Millsaps beat Rhodes 14-6
Wash U beat La Grange 31-21 (could go real deep here)

All this to say . . . well, not much, just some banter before the game and doing Kevin Bacon proud  . 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2006, 01:01:40 PM
It should be an interesting contrast of styles with Millsaps and CM.  Millsaps has a quarterback who has broken a pile of records this year at the helm of a pass happy offense.  CM runs a system that is difficult to prepare for in a week that includes time taken off for travel.

One thing that should be a plus for Millsaps is Coach DuBose's background as a defensive coach specializing in rushing defense.  From the Millsaps website is this quote:  "DuBose once again returned to Alabama as defensive line coach from 1990-96 under head coach, Gene Stallings. With DuBose's defensive scheme, the Tide ranked eighth or better in rushing defense four times, including the nation's best in 1992. During the Tide's 1992 National Championship season, DuBose helped tutor a defense that allowed just five rushing touchdowns on the season, while holding opponents to 55.0 yards/game."

That doesn't mean that it will be easy to defense the CM attack and it doesn't mean that the players can pick up a new system in a few days, but I think the defense will be as prepared as one could possibly expect over such a short time period.  I think I read that this is CM's first playoff action in 16 years and I know it is the first playoff game for Millsaps since 1975 so it is an outstanding accomplishment by the coaches and players on both teams. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 03:01:17 PM
Yes I agree frank.  A very nice accomplishment for both teams.

Now, to the point.  You make a true statement as I remember that Tide team and they were one of my all-time favorite teams.  I especially loved the kick returner, but I'm lost for a name.  Anyways, back on track.  Your assesment may all depend on what which game film CMU decides to trade with Millsaps.  I don't know the rules on that, but I am assuming it could be either Bethany or Thiel.  Now, neither one really bodes well for Millsaps as the Bethany game was out of hand early and there would be alot of players on that film that probably wouldn't dress dues to the 52 rule.  The Thiel game would be a bit better, but not much.  You would get to see the starters, but offensively Erdelyi didn't run that much of his wing-T.  What he did was feed his fullback Sivek the ball 40 times to the tune of 172 yards and a TD.  Most of the time it was the same play over and over.  To be honest with you, the offense did just enough and the defense kept Thiel out of the endzone until 5:00 to go.

Secondly, a pass-happy spread offense is much easier to defend for CMU than a spread O that mixes the run well.  CMU has two great corners and an All-American safety.  They haven't been hurt much by the spread this year.  They've played six teams that run it and Colorado College was the only team to put more than 7 points on the board.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: exmajor on November 13, 2006, 03:54:36 PM
BD,

I assure you that Millsaps can run the ball, the question will be the health of thier all-conference running back Tyson Roy, he has been banged up as of late.  They have been filling in with a third stringer in Metzger, but he has proven himself well, I believe he has over 70 yards last week vs. Trinity.  I do not know the status of the second string tailback?  The Majors also have an offensive line that averages somewhere around 280-285 lbs. and has only given up four sacks all season (do not know if Trinity had any sacks this week).  If they need to pound the ball, the potential is there.  This game really should make for an exciting game of two different styles of offense!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WRCTChuck on November 13, 2006, 06:40:02 PM
Frank, If I'm not mistaken Eric Curry, John Copeland, and George Teague won't be in uniform this week ;)
BD- That punt returner was David Palmer. The Original Slash.

In all seriousness I expect a well played hard fought game. To me the key matchup will be CMU's coverage teams against Jackson. Matt Adams is one of the better directional punters I have seen at this level and the Tartans generally don't give up big plays in the return game. Should be interesting to see how they deal with someone who is so explosive.

Mike Dubose has coached D-1
The CMU Three (Lackner, Bodnar, Erd) have a ton of experience (more than 20 yrs together)
so I don't think either team will have to much of a coaching advantage.

Both offenses will be difficult to prepare for in a week

The things that will decide this game turnovers, and field position. If either team is afforded extra possesions via the turnover they most likely will win.  Field position dictates play-calling, particularlly for CMU so the kicking game (i.e the "short field" ) will be critical.

That being said can't wait. Listen live on www.wrct.org
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2006, 06:48:20 PM
Have fun with all the NCAA paperwork for streaming playoff games online. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 07:58:28 PM
Haha, does the NCAA NOT have a deathgrip on anything its involved in?

I expect a great game as well.  I know the guys at CMU are fired up for it.  As long as they stay calm and focused like I said, then they have the opportunity to get the job done.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 14, 2006, 06:20:48 PM
By the way, this Tartan team has the opportunity to do what no Carnegie team has done before:win more than 10 games in a season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on November 15, 2006, 01:26:50 AM
Congrats to CMU for getting 10-0, they definitely deserved it. They FINALLY got in the Top 25 too (took you voting guys long enough :P)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2006, 01:44:00 AM
Took CMU long enough to get to the two decent teams on its schedule. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 08:44:10 AM
Yeah.........as I've expressed before, I hope CMU takes their two open dates next year and schedules a little stiffer competition considering what they have coming back next season.  If they choose wisely maybe they won't have to run the table to secure a playoff spot.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2006, 10:03:45 AM
It's amazing how much information a small college sports fan can now gather thanks to the internet and it's nice that fans from the different schools can communicate back and forth (thanks Pat).  But, this new wealth of information can only go so far.  Despite the efforts of exmajor to compare teams by results of near common opponents, it is still just about impossible to get a good grasp of how these teams will match up.

I think one thing that will surprise CMU fans is the size of the Millsaps players, or rather the lack of size.  I've been on the sidelines photographing 8 of the Millsaps games this year so I get a good closeup view of the Millsaps players and the opponents.  I don't think the Millsaps players on average have been as big as any of their opponents and in some cases the difference has been significant.  That's not to demean the players, just pointing out the reality of the situation.  It seems like the Millsaps players have developed a Sea Biscuit type attitude of not knowing that they aren't as big as the other guys (or not caring).

One thing that should be encouraging to the CMU faithful is that this Millsaps team is in a lot of ways just like the team that went 2-7 with a 1-5 conference record in 2005.  They have some transfers who have helped but they also lost a lot of good players through graduation and transfers.  If those two elements balance out, then you are left with the returning players from 2005 and the freshmen.  On paper it doesn't look like there has been enough of a personel change to go from the bottom of the conference to the top in one year.  It might lead one to think that maybe Millsaps just took advantage of a weak year in a weak conference.  I'm not saying that's the case, but I know that some people probably feel that way.

I'll be honest that I've become a believer that this team is for real but I understand if others have a wait and see attitude.  With this year's success helping with recruiting and most of the players returning next season, I think that the future is bright for Millsaps football and that will only be enhanced if they play well on the road and come away with a playoff victory.  I hate that I'll be back here in Jackson but I'll be following every play thanks to the radio broadcast.  It should be a heck of a game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 15, 2006, 04:25:49 PM
Glad to see a new playoff face in Carnegie Mellon!  I hope CMU can fight hard and pull out a W.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 05:22:19 PM
frank, everybody seems to have the same wait and see attitude with CMU so..........I guess we'll wait and see on Saturday.  I don't think size matters much at this level.  CMU isn't huge either.  They've got some big boys on the O and D lines, but they aren't huge.  In fact, the only player I would say is huge for his position is Aaron Lewis.  He's a big safety.  Linebacker size for Div. III and he brings the wood.  In two years watching him, I don't think I've seen him miss a tackle.

Jaybird, I'm hoping for the same thing you are.  I don't know how deep they could go, but just one win oughta boost their confidence for next season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2006, 09:09:01 PM
Here's to CMU getting that 11th win and the UAA off the schneid on that front page column.

Next year CMU should start the season in the top 25 with what they've got coming back. Certainly they should if they get that 11th win.

To put things in perspective, two other undefeated teams made their debut in the Top 25 this week.  CMU wasn't alone in needing to prove itself to the voters.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 10:13:22 PM
Did not know that cwru70.  Any plans on making the trip to Gesling this weekend??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2006, 11:04:46 PM
No, too much happening in C'bus.  Cap v Witt and something else...

I grew up in the shadow of Witt.

And if I were leaving town, there's a CWRU v OWU soccer match in Cleveland.  NCAA Sweet 16
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 01:00:55 AM
Oh, just wondered.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2006, 08:30:28 AM
It's not like I hadn't thought about it before you asked.  And I've got a nephew playing in the national college club water polo national championships this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 05:33:35 PM
BD Tartan,  I think CMU has a good shot and should concentrate on trying to win 1 game at a time.
Example, is North Central in our conf.  They first focused on getting a 7-3/8-2 season under Thorne.  Then their goal was the CCIW title/Playoffs. 2005 they made the playoffs and lost first round to Capital.  2006 their goal was to still with the CCIW and make it past the 1st round.  They are CCIW Co-Champs and have a great shot at the 2nd round.
The thing to remember is that the Tartans are there for a reason... They EARNED IT!  and have as much "right" to win this game on Saturday as their opponent Millsaps does.  They are the #4 seed for a reason. That and their has been some excitement of late in the City of Pittsburgh!  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 05:34:46 PM
One bit of interesting trivia.

Did you know that Pittsburgh is the only city where their Professional Sports Teams all wear the same colored jerseys?
Pirates, Steelers, Penguins are all Black and Yellow.  The only City in America to have this.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 06:56:14 PM
I never put two and two together on that one!

And I am sure the Tartans are concentrating on game 1.  I don't think they're looking ahead at all.  They didn't look ahead last week when they played Thiel so...........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2006, 11:07:23 PM
Thought I'd add that UAA member (but not in football) Rochester plays Alfred in an ECAC bowl game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 17, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
Interesting, who wins that match-up??  I thought Alfred had a pretty good team.  Don't much about Rochester other than they're the first game on CMU's schedule next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2006, 09:21:26 AM
Common opponent w/CMU GCC UR won 38-21.  Their 3 losses were all to teams playing in the post season and they beat RPI.

Will the thermometer be the Tartan's secret weapon today against those southern boys?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 18, 2006, 09:42:59 AM
I just finished setting up the field with the baseball team.  Field looks great and it's a beautiful day ~45 degrees.  Weather shouldn't be a factor.  Coaches tell me that Mike DuBose was impressed with the field and thinks the campus is nice.  Welcome KMack and let's go Tartans!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2006, 09:49:23 AM
45 degrees, a beautiful day in WPa in Nov.  Don't know if the Millsaps crew would call it beautiful.  But it could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2006, 05:17:01 PM
WAY TO GO TARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 18, 2006, 05:18:53 PM
Great game for CMU.  It took all of the first half to get the running game going, but once they started splitting Gimson and Sivek evenly they were tough to stop.  I expected our defense to be tough, but I don't think anyone expected 3 INT and a shut out.  Very impressive showing. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on November 18, 2006, 07:37:22 PM
Wow, CMU played better today then even I expected. They play Wesley next though, which is going to be VERY tough.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 18, 2006, 07:53:11 PM
"They play Wesley next though, which is going to be VERY tough"
Wizardman, let the Tartans enjoy the victory today first.  Hehe
Carnegie Mellon with a big victory for the UAA as a whole. 
Wesley is beatable and did not "breeze" to the victory today.   Great game Tartans and keep it up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 19, 2006, 05:45:33 PM
Enough with the enjoying.  Up next Wesley.

Not sure what it is exactly that Wesley calls their offenses, but it has a lot of carries to many backs for a decent total - about 1800 yardson the season.

With the top two receivers about equalling the same single total by the top lone rusher, would have to say theyre running some sort of bone.

Could be a one lone offset back or could be middle up back with slots and Js.

Considering the number of rushers and receivers with primary touches, banking on slotbone and flexbone mixed with some T passing game.  Just too many touches in their run game for me to buy them as a run n' shoot or spread.

Wouldnt be surprised if theyre not using the Barnette Northwestern system in the offtackle game with stick read on the interior receiver of the running strength.

Expect the lead back is identifiable by the number of carries - primary touches and the lower yield as compared to three or four deep ballcarriers.

Speed flank the strongisde guard to keep him forawrd looking and immobilized in the space game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 06:50:06 PM
Wow, I spend the weekend in the Burgh' with my bro and when I left I had -1 karma and I get back today and I got -4.  Some peoples must not like the fact that CMU won.  Oh well, they can take my karma if it means CMU keeps on winning.

Yes MacLeod, you make a point, but I'd like to enjoy it a little more.  The fact that the explosive Millsaps offense only made it to the redzone once and when they did a D-Lineman picked off a screen pass on the first play in the redzone.  I give Millsaps credit though, for the first half they kept CMU in check and challenged them, then in the 3rd quarter the CMU running game finally got the best of Millsaps and wore them down.  A 21 point victory and a shutout in their first playoff game in 16 years against a team who many thought would win the game.  I must say, I am sure most folks are surprised enough by the victory, but I was really impressed with the shutout.  Oh yeah, Gimson finally cracked the 1,000 yd. barrier yesterday.

Anyways, I expect Wesley to be a much tougher battle.  Expecially with CMU having to go to Delaware and try to get another victory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 19, 2006, 07:12:51 PM
MacLeod- I looked at their stats and I agree with you...I'm confused.  The capsule says they run a pro set, which I interpret as being either a variation on the I or a single back set, but  the diversity of their running game doesn't seem to agree with that.  They've got 4 or 5 guys listed as tailbacks with 100+ yards on the season.  Based on the rather limited info on the roster, I'd say they may have a thunder and lightning kind of 2 back set.  Their leading rusher is so small (5-9 160) that you would want to get him the ball in space, so my guess is that they run a 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB set, with the wrinkle that they usually do it out of the shotgun.  Like the CMU wing T, you don't know which back is going to get the ball on a given play and they probably run a lot of play action off of fake draws. 

As I finished typing this I realized another possible explanation (partly why CMU has so many different RB with respectable yardage as well)...they blow out a lot of teams and get their second string in.  So I guess take what I said with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 19, 2006, 08:24:53 PM
BD Tartan I got you up to -3.  CMU played a good game and will need that same game (and perhaps better) next week vs. Wesley.  I saw Wesley last year and they were a pretty good team.  Very physical even though they were outmuscled by UWW.  Wesley was down by 2 scores at one time Saturday, so perhaps anything can happen on Saturday. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 10:04:12 PM
Thanks jaybird, but its always hard to tell what a team is going to come out and do.  As you know, folks have had their doubts about CMU all year long.  CMU has proved them wrong time and time again.  I'm not one for making predictions so all I can say is I hope people keep doubting them and they keep proving those people wrong.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jc101 on November 19, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 10:04:12 PM
Thanks jaybird, but its always hard to tell what a team is going to come out and do.  As you know, folks have had their doubts about CMU all year long.  CMU has proved them wrong time and time again.  I'm not one for making predictions so all I can say is I hope people keep doubting them and they keep proving those people wrong.

Yeah, big game this week.  I'll go out on a limb and say Tartans 17, Wesley 13 because I'm sure everybody else will be picking Wesley.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 10:47:25 PM
haha, good one jc101.  You're definitely right.  Everybody probably expects Wesley to win at home.  You know what though, I don't make predictions so all I can say is that its been one hell of a year for the Tartans and nobody expected them to even make it this far.  A win at Wesley would be huge, but to just go to the 2nd rd. and give the #1 seed a competitive game would satisfy me at this point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2006, 11:08:39 PM
I'm gonna have to go with BDT:

I think it is a stretch to see CMU winning this game, but I think they will give it a good shot.  (I'm going by memory here, but I think the OAC gave +21.5 to CMU; while I don't think CMU will win, I HAD to take THOSE points!)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 19, 2006, 11:34:53 PM
Wesley runs a mutiple pro set. They have five good tailbacks,four of them frosh.

For those of you going to Dover, there are many places to lodge and eat on rt 13. ( old dupont hwy)  which are 5 mins from the stadium. The stadium is not at the campus but only a few blocks away. Check the forecast but be prepared to dress warm. It's always breezy and can be very chilling  and more often than not is in the face of the visiting fans
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 11:35:11 PM
Oh yeah Mr Ypsi, I would take those points too.  It will be interesting to see what CMU does right out of the gate.  They can't afford to wait to wear Wesley down like they did Millsaps.  I think they're going to have to find a way to put points on the board right away and then see if the defense can slow Wesley down.  If that happens, then go back to the grind it out, wear-em-down style of football they played against Millsaps.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
Thanks for the info PA_wesleyfan, I'm not sure if I will be staying anywhere or not.  Its about a 8 hour drive for me so............
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 19, 2006, 11:39:20 PM
Yes I know that there isn't many direct rtes to Dover from west of the NE extention of the Turnpike
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2006, 11:46:10 PM
It may be a case of splitting driving time between myself and my parents.  My dad doesn't really like sleeping in strange beds so I am sure we'll most likey tough it out and drive to the game, watch it, and turn around and drive back to OH.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 20, 2006, 09:44:32 AM
BD- I saw that Mulkern dressed and actually took part in warm ups on Saturday.  Do you know if there's any chance he plays this weekend?  I had assumed his season/career was over, but that may not be the case if he's taking part in warm ups. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dedragon on November 20, 2006, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2006, 11:08:39 PM
I'm gonna have to go with BDT:

I think it is a stretch to see CMU winning this game, but I think they will give it a good shot.  (I'm going by memory here, but I think the OAC gave +21.5 to CMU; while I don't think CMU will win, I HAD to take THOSE points!)

Not so much of a stretch when you think about it.  CMU won the last meeting in 2004.  A lot of players are still on both teams from that game.  Should make for a great contest. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dedragon on November 20, 2006, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: MacLeod on November 19, 2006, 05:45:33 PM
Enough with the enjoying.  Up next Wesley.

Not sure what it is exactly that Wesley calls their offenses, but it has a lot of carries to many backs for a decent total - about 1800 yardson the season.

With the top two receivers about equalling the same single total by the top lone rusher, would have to say theyre running some sort of bone.

Could be a one lone offset back or could be middle up back with slots and Js.

Considering the number of rushers and receivers with primary touches, banking on slotbone and flexbone mixed with some T passing game.  Just too many touches in their run game for me to buy them as a run n' shoot or spread.

Wouldnt be surprised if theyre not using the Barnette Northwestern system in the offtackle game with stick read on the interior receiver of the running strength.

Expect the lead back is identifiable by the number of carries - primary touches and the lower yield as compared to three or four deep ballcarriers.

Speed flank the strongisde guard to keep him forawrd looking and immobilized in the space game.

Interesting... Nothing like looking into a stat sheet.  By the way, are you and President Bush still looking for the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Just kidding, really.  I got a kick out of your post and your term of "immobilized in the space game".
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 20, 2006, 11:01:47 AM
The First State vs. The Keystone State in a big duel in Dover.  Popcorn anyone?  Hehe, no in all seriousness, this ought to be a good battle and even closer, seeing as how Carnegie-Mellon has been overachieving and playing well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 20, 2006, 11:50:14 AM
Will almost bet the kid with sixty carries is the lead back.  All the carries create the fit when he is the blocker.  Just stood out to me how many times he carried the ball and his production as opposed to those with half the carries and twice the yards.

From there, looking at the receivers, four jumped off the page, and they werent the same guys rushing the ball, so I started thinking spread, but with a micro back that wouldnt be the case.

Given this information, expected Wesley is running down and anchor, single wing blocking staples incorporated into flexbones and slotbones, whether they are nominated as such or not.  Basic tenet of single wing blocking, strongside guard is the best athlete.  Will trap and pull in close quarters as well as space.  By speed flanking him with a three i you interrupt his lateral path.

CMU runs a 3-4, so there are ways of accomplishing limits in space with down linemen and backers, but if my analysis is correct theyll need to flank him with a 3i at least on later downs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dedragon on November 20, 2006, 12:31:47 PM
And the answer to life, the universe and everything is... 42! :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dedragon on November 20, 2006, 12:35:22 PM
Developed at Carnegie Mellon University in the late 1980s, the original "real" Deep Thought supercomputer took its name from the fictional supercomputer Deep Thought, a character from the best-selling sci-fi comedy novel, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, first published by the late, great Douglas Adams in 1979.

In the novel (and its numerous sequels), Deep Thought is an immensely powerful computer designed for the sole purpose of determining the "answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything"—which, incidentally, is the title of the third book in the series. The fictional Deep Thought is successful, returning the answer of "42."

Thus, while Deep Thought can tell you the great answer to life, it cannot tell you the question that produced the answer. It's a solution without insight, a notion with no context, which is why the number 42 has since become an inside joke to both Hitchhiker's Guide fans and the larger geek community.

stolen from the internet...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 20, 2006, 07:23:56 PM
Well, MacLeod, we'll see if Bodnar changes some things up this weekend.  He usually stays pretty steady in his playcalling in the 3-4.  From what I've seen it's a bullrush from the NG and contain with the DT's and let the LB's make plays.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 20, 2006, 07:31:28 PM

Tartan

Can you tell me if  Russ Dunlevy was on the playoff roster last week. I coached him in baseball 2 summer ago?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2006, 08:58:46 PM
Russ Dunlevy is a freshman guard.  He is not on the 52-man playoff roster at present, he is one of the alternates in case of injury but is not likely to make the trip to Wesley.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2006, 09:45:49 PM
BDT-Your brother may be a back-up for CMU, but he's 2nd team UAA!!!

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/2006_All_UAA_Football_Team.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 21, 2006, 12:40:52 AM
Alternate Approach would be to flex the weakside tackle and angle the strongside end, but Id have to credit Harmon for that and not sure how to spell Olecvashenskis name.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 21, 2006, 08:34:15 AM
More props for the UAA, Tom Brew, after being a Draddy semi-finalist, is a Gagliardi finalist.

.500 in the recent play-off era, for now.

I see Wesley has three 6'3"~280# DL.  Yet Dickinson was able to run for more than its season average against them.  They got 5.4 per rush against Wesley.  That gives me some hope for CMU to pull the upset.  I don't think Wesley gets 49 against the CMU D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 21, 2006, 01:52:08 PM
Congrats to Carnegie Mellon on their shutout in the 1st round. Sounds like a tough "D" and that's what you need come playoff time! Best of luck in round 2.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 21, 2006, 04:48:59 PM
cwru

  Dickinson had 200+ yrds in the first 16 mins. of the game. They used Wesley's agressiveness against them running a lot of reverse miss direction and some sand lot trickery. After the first 16 mins. Dickinson got 59 yrds total. Wesley faced the winged tee last year in the playoffs and defensed it fairly well. 
  I know CMU has a good D but I do think that CMU will have to score a lot of points to beat Wesley. They are flat out fast and big
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jc101 on November 21, 2006, 10:14:55 PM
Let's go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2006, 09:27:02 PM
Tom Brew is UAA co-defensive player of the year, semi-finalist for Draddy, and a Gagliargi finalist, yet he's only second team CoSIDA regional.  What were those SIDs thinking?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2006, 10:28:34 PM
Well, you've got apples, oranges, bananas and tangerines here. Hard to believe there's a different amount of each. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2006, 11:25:21 PM
There you go, Tom Brew, fruit salad!!!

Don't understand your point.  National recognition for football, academics, and community service.  Conference recognition for football.  I'll acknowledge that the CoSIDA is D3 and D2, but a Defiance LB was first team.  I do now see he was also a Draddy semi-finalist, but he was fourth on his team in tackles and only ranked by NCAA in one defensive category, while Brew was ranked in three ( and above him in the one category he was ranked)  Don't know about his academics, but the Draddy and All-academic are more like oranges and tangerines than apples and oranges.  With the national recognition, seems regional ranking should be higher.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 23, 2006, 11:50:45 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to all, back from a long strange trip to Kent.  Thank you cwru70 for acknowledging my brother.  He was just as surprised as I was to hear he made 2nd team.  Well, haven't seen much discussion on the Wesley game so I guess I don't have much to say.  Getting ready to eat turkey and get some sleep.  Heading to Delaware tomorrow morning.  So I'll be back(hopefully with a win) on Saturday night.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 23, 2006, 10:39:48 PM
This will be my last post since I am signing off until after the game on Saturday.  Got a couple things to say:

CMU:  The Tartans need to keep doing what they've been doing and don't quit.  Ball control and defense.  I hope they don't let me down on Saturday.  Best of luck to the Tartans!!

W&J:  I'm pulling for the Prez this weekend and I hope they can eek one out in Belton.  That way there is a possible Regional Final at Gesling.  Best of luck to the Prez!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 25, 2006, 04:24:39 PM
Great season Tartans.  No shame in losing to the #3 team in the country.  Way to represent the UAA.


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 01:02:30 AM
Haha, there are some things I'd like to say about the game but I'll hold my tongue.  Great ride while it lasted.  Looking good next season with 10 starters returning on O and 7 starters returning on D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pg04 on November 26, 2006, 01:10:53 AM
Don't hold your tongue, I'd like to hear what you'd like to say!  I can't imagine it would be any excuse after losing 37-0?

P.S. This isn't a shot at CMU I would just like to know what you are referring to after throwing something like that out there. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 02:51:58 AM
Just got back from the game. You can try to breakdown the game but it really is simple. Wesley outplayed CMU. Talent wise I thought the teams were pretty even but Wesley has overall team speed (particularly at the skill positions). That was critical today. Wesley had a great offensive gameplan and a very difficult scheme. (It looks very similar to the Indy Colts offense......minus the Manning theatrics at the line) The Tartans made too many mental unforced errors (false starts, muffed kickoffs) and overall just looked out of sync. Perhaps this was a case where the playoff inexperience caught up to the Tartans, particularly in the 1st half.
-Wesley played a great game but not perfect (too many dropped passes) The 49 yarder to Clarke was a thing of beauty. Play action bootleg with a 30yd drag that completely fooled the Tartan coverage.
I could go on but it's late so I'll sum up.
-Great win for Wesley- the better team, much better execution. Fully expect to see them in the Stagg Bowl. However, I don't think their defense is strong enough to stop the U
-For CMU 11-1. Great season. brought the program back onto the national scene. hopefully, its the beginning of a consitant playoff contender and not a 1 year wonder. Can not go another 16 years between playoff berths, we can do this every year.

Tartans Forever

p.s. How/Why is robinson (#92) playing D-III? Big guys that can run like him generally get snatched up. Somebody's recruiting co-ordinator messed up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jc101 on November 26, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
That was the worst loss for CMU since a 50-0 loss to Westminster in 1971.  It's ashame the season has to end on that note, but that seems to be pretty common in the playoffs.  Last year, Bridgewater lost to Wesley 46-7 in the regional final, then Wesley lost to Wisconsin - Whitewater 58-6 in a national semifinal game.

Anyways, the 11 wins is quite an accomplishment - and the most for any CMU team in a single season.  With a good amount returning next year, it will be interesting to see what the Tartans do.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 01:23:28 PM
Well if you must know what I was holding my tongue on then allow me to say this first.  I have no excuses for the loss.  Wesley would have won regardless.  WRCTChuck summed it up pretty good, but the game could have been much different for many reasons.

The officiating in the first half was horrendous!  On CMU's opening drive, they drove the ball 70 yards to the Wesley ten.  But wait, there's a flag 10 yards up field for holding on a first down run that would have given CMU 1st and goal.  I saw who the flag was thrown on and believe me it was not a hold, it was a PANCAKE!!

Obviously the refs didn't even know what pass interference of any kind was.  On Wesley's third score they threw a fade to the back corner on 3rd and goal from the 17.  Aaron Lewis was sitting there waiting and looking up at the ball to make a play, out of nowhere comes Wesley's wideout and blatantly shoves Lewis out of the way to make a TD catch.  NO FLAG!!  (Later in the game, the refs flagged a Wesley DB for interference on a play where the ball wasn't even catchable and it was inside the five yard zone.)

Next CMU possession, they go three and out and during the punt a Wesley player TACKLES CMU's punter.  Ref says he got ball, but he clearly did not as the ball went 35-40 yards.  NO FLAG!!

The refs were horrible, even more disgusting towards CMU.  I believe Wesley only had one penalty, and on Wesley's first score (long TD run) their left tackle clearly rocked back on his heels before the snap.  Don't know if the refs were local or not, but regardless, they sucked a big one!


Now, on to Wesley.  Their coaches, players, and fans had no class as far as I could tell.  Yes they have a very good team, but they could use some lessons in humility.

Coaches:  Up 31-0 with less than 10 minutes to go and you're throwing bombs?!?!  Gimme a break!  I hope you get the same medicine from UMHB, UWW, or Mount if you get there!

Players:  I wouldn't kiss THEIR mothers with THEIR mouths.  I haven't heard a mouthier nastier group of football players since my high school days against our bitter rivals.

Fans:  Can't speak for all of them, but as my brother and I were walking back to my vehicle most of their fans were booing and hissing my brother telling him that he sucked!  Imagine that.  I will say this, there was ONE Wesley fan who told my brother he played a good game.  Other than that, it was disgusting the way we were treated.

All I can say now is this:  Tartans, work hard in the offseason and come back with a vengeance.  Maybe you can get those guys next year at Gesling and we can show them how to play and cheer with class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 01:37:28 PM
Oh yeah, that Robinson guy for Wesley, I give him alot of credit.  I exclude him from my previous comment.  He was the only guy from Wesley who didn't run his mouth and was the only guy helping CMU's players up after plays.  He is a very good talent and I agree, he should be playing at a higher level than D-III.  Best of luck to him.  From what I could tell, he was a gentleman and a very good athlete.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
I figured BD's rant would be about the officiating and the play calling once the game was decided so I decide not to steal his thunder ;).

I am not one for excuses. The Tartans lost plain and simple.

The officiating was bad. But as I said on the air they were consistant. That was clearly a rough but they also took a fantastic catch on the sideline away from Clarke.
An NFL scout was there to evaluate the officiating for the NCAA. I wonder what his report would say.

I can not comment on what was said on the field or in the stands but I can only say that the staff at Wesley was very professional and the people I came into contact with were courtious. I am not questioning BD's account because there are creeps at every sporting event. Yesterday was no exception.

As far as they playcalling in the 4th qtr. (the long pass to clarke, the pass to robinson ahead by 31) my issue isn't so much the play calling but why have robinson, clarke, warrick,etc risk injury in a game that has already been decided? I think that's stupid. This is a team that has a legitmate shot at a national title and the coaches are being cute in a game where they have a 37 point lead? Stupid.

But in sports as in life what goes around comes around

For CMU there is a simple solution. Play Better. Then it never becomes an issue
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMURyan on November 26, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
I went to the game yesterday.  BD is absolutely right about the officiating.  It was horrible.  That said, Wesley was clearly the better team and would've won regardless of the officiating.  They were bigger, stronger and faster.  Comparing them to the Millsaps team we saw last week, they certainly deserve their #3 ranking and the MHB game should be quite a show.  I didn't hear any of the cat calls from the stands and didn't notice any poor sportsmanship.  Wesley hosted the game well as far as I could tell and deserved to win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 06:27:50 PM
The catcalls occurred after the game when my brother and I were on our way to my car to get his Thanksgiving care package.  I heard some things said by Wesley players during the game that I won't quote, but they were bad enough that towards the end of the game I heard one of their coaches yelling at one of the players to keep his mouth shut.

I agree, and stated before my rant that Wesley is a very good team and would have won regardless.  Although I wonder why CMU wouldn't adjust their D.  I saw Wesley zone-blocking the crap out of the 3-4 and I don't understand why CMU never played any bump and run against their fast receivers.

WRCTChuck, I say there is a 50/50 chance Wesley even gets to the Stagg Bowl.  Remember that if the chips fall the right way they would have to go through UMHB and UWW to even get there and then play Mount.  As good as they may be, I doubt they would even stand a chance against Mount's 2nd string in the Stagg Bowl.  Just my opinion with a little inside info from my buddies from Mount.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wesleyrocks833 on November 26, 2006, 07:23:16 PM
 People its sounds like sour grapes because we crushed CMU. And the thing about the coaches: 1.) Chip Knapp knows what hes doing unlike some OCs in D3. (FYI: He was the starting QB at Cornell.)
2.) You know Mike Drass and Coach Knapp are better coaches than CMU will ever have.
3.) Seeing that I know the coaches, hmm... YES THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE CLASS!!!!!!
Players
1.) You are correct about some of their mouths
Fans
1.) Some of the fans might have acted like that but I doubt that all of them did.

I apologize for my pervious writing BUT that is a big big misguidance of the coaches.
Quote from: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 01:23:28 PM
Well if you must know what I was holding my tongue on then allow me to say this first.  I have no excuses for the loss.  Wesley would have won regardless.  WRCTChuck summed it up pretty good, but the game could have been much different for many reasons.

The officiating in the first half was horrendous!  On CMU's opening drive, they drove the ball 70 yards to the Wesley ten.  But wait, there's a flag 10 yards up field for holding on a first down run that would have given CMU 1st and goal.  I saw who the flag was thrown on and believe me it was not a hold, it was a PANCAKE!!

Obviously the refs didn't even know what pass interference of any kind was.  On Wesley's third score they threw a fade to the back corner on 3rd and goal from the 17.  Aaron Lewis was sitting there waiting and looking up at the ball to make a play, out of nowhere comes Wesley's wideout and blatantly shoves Lewis out of the way to make a TD catch.  NO FLAG!!  (Later in the game, the refs flagged a Wesley DB for interference on a play where the ball wasn't even catchable and it was inside the five yard zone.)

Next CMU possession, they go three and out and during the punt a Wesley player TACKLES CMU's punter.  Ref says he got ball, but he clearly did not as the ball went 35-40 yards.  NO FLAG!!

The refs were horrible, even more disgusting towards CMU.  I believe Wesley only had one penalty, and on Wesley's first score (long TD run) their left tackle clearly rocked back on his heels before the snap.  Don't know if the refs were local or not, but regardless, they sucked a big one!


Now, on to Wesley.  Their coaches, players, and fans had no class as far as I could tell.  Yes they have a very good team, but they could use some lessons in humility.

Coaches:  Up 31-0 with less than 10 minutes to go and you're throwing bombs?!?!  Gimme a break!  I hope you get the same medicine from UMHB, UWW, or Mount if you get there!

Players:  I wouldn't kiss THEIR mothers with THEIR mouths.  I haven't heard a mouthier nastier group of football players since my high school days against our bitter rivals.

Fans:  Can't speak for all of them, but as my brother and I were walking back to my vehicle most of their fans were booing and hissing my brother telling him that he sucked!  Imagine that.  I will say this, there was ONE Wesley fan who told my brother he played a good game.  Other than that, it was disgusting the way we were treated.

All I can say now is this:  Tartans, work hard in the offseason and come back with a vengeance.  Maybe you can get those guys next year at Gesling and we can show them how to play and cheer with class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 07:40:13 PM
I can't see how what I said was wrong when your team is up by 31 with less than 10 to go in the game and your throwing long passes.  Secondly, your coaches must be on the ignorant side to keep all of your best players in the game when you have a regional final game against the #4 team in the country coming up.  As I said, Wesley has a good football team, but I won't feel one bit sorry for them when they receive the same treatment from some other school. 

I never said all the fans treated us that way, just the ones that we happened to pass on the way to the car.

Lastly, I don't think its sour grapes when I clearly stated twice that Wesley would have won the game regardless of all the other things going on outside of the players standpoint.

For what its worth, it no longer matters to me.  CMU has a great team returning next season and I hope they take this loss as incentive to work hard in the offseason and come back stronger.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 07:48:22 PM
Also, you can perceive what you want about your coaches being better than any coaches CMU would ever have, but at least Lackner wouldn't be running it up and he wouldn't have his best players in a game that's out of hand when they have an upcoming game the next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WCswann28sis on November 26, 2006, 08:04:49 PM
well i really dont post that much anymore but have you looked at wesley's roster they have a lot and i mean a lot of people returning next year.... and i do believe these boys could stand up and hold their own against anyone even muc.... but they arent even worried bout them they take it one game at a time and they have mhb this week should be a good game...well good luck in the off season
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 10:09:14 PM
2.) You know Mike Drass and Coach Knapp are better coaches than CMU will ever have.
3.) Seeing that I know the coaches, hmm... YES THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE CLASS!!!!!!

If you mean "coach" as in some one who draws up plays and strategies that may or may not be fact.
But if you mean "coach" as in someone who is a teacher, leader, mentor, source of guidance, and makes his players better both on and off the field, you can't possibly have a better group of coaches than CMU's staff.  In that regard our coaches are second to none.

At this level it's about building character as much as it is winning

Wesley won yesterday because they had better players NOT better coaches. It's not like either staff invented the wheel
A coach is generally only as good as his players and when Wesley meets up with a team that is just as athletic we'll see just how good they really are.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: patcummings on November 26, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
It should be noted that never in the postseason are officials "local."  They all come from another conference unaffiliated with both teams.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 27, 2006, 01:38:32 AM
As I said, I didn't know.  They could have come from the moon, they still sucked!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 02:55:45 AM
Quote from: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
As far as they playcalling in the 4th qtr. (the long pass to clarke, the pass to robinson ahead by 31) my issue isn't so much the play calling but why have robinson, clarke, warrick,etc risk injury in a game that has already been decided? I think that's stupid. This is a team that has a legitmate shot at a national title and the coaches are being cute in a game where they have a 37 point lead? Stupid.

Sometimes coaches are "cute" because they want to put stuff on tape for future playoff opponents to have to worry about. That's a pretty common staple for coaches who have been there before.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 02:58:10 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 26, 2006, 07:48:22 PM
Also, you can perceive what you want about your coaches being better than any coaches CMU would ever have, but at least Lackner wouldn't be running it up and he wouldn't have his best players in a game that's out of hand when they have an upcoming game the next week.

Last time I was at a CMU game they were still running it with their top players on an 0-8 team in a game they led 48-0. You can't say anything with certainty. I think the losing team certainly felt it was run up on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 27, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
Pat -

When was that?  Certainly not in the last few years.  This year, the first team was out in the fourth quarter of most of the games, once we had about a 20-point margin in the late third or fourth quarter, the first team was done.  Colorado was one exception because their offense continued to score, so the first team stayed in til about 7 or 8 minutes to go, leaving with a 43-14 lead.  In the second half of the season, the games were closer against tougher competition so the first team was in until the end (except for the Bethany game, where the first team left mid-third quarter).  The second team also saw action against Chicago, at the end with a 27-0 lead.

Point being, this year CMU didn't run it up against anyone.  If the coaches did truly run it up on an 0-8 team, I'm just curious when it happened.  I don't recall any such incidents since I have come to CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 27, 2006, 11:30:23 AM
Any insight into Chicago and how they will be in 2007?  Don Maloney always seems to have quality players on his roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2006, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: WCswann28sis on November 26, 2006, 08:04:49 PM
and i do believe these boys could stand up and hold their own against anyone even muc....


???
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on November 27, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
Pat -

When was that?  Certainly not in the last few years. 

Was some years ago, but definitely in the Lackner era.

Point being, you can't make assumptions based on a season or two without knowing history.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 27, 2006, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 02:55:45 AM
Quote from: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
As far as they playcalling in the 4th qtr. (the long pass to clarke, the pass to robinson ahead by 31) my issue isn't so much the play calling but why have robinson, clarke, warrick,etc risk injury in a game that has already been decided? I think that's stupid. This is a team that has a legitmate shot at a national title and the coaches are being cute in a game where they have a 37 point lead? Stupid.

Sometimes coaches are "cute" because they want to put stuff on tape for future playoff opponents to have to worry about. That's a pretty common staple for coaches who have been there before.

  Pat

  Robinson has been playing slot back/wide out for weeks now as a blocker and has had one other pass thrown his way. The kid is a great athlete and is not the first player at Wesley to play both ways.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 27, 2006, 01:31:19 PM
Thanks for your 2 cents Pat.  You guys can discuss Wesley all you want, I said I'm done with it and that's what I am.  I feel like some things could have been handled differently in that game and I'm not arguing about it.  As I said, let the Tartans take it as a lesson and work hard during the offseason and come back stronger in 07'.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 02:18:27 PM
I just got this e-mail from the parent of a CMU starter. Withholding the name because I did not tell him it might be used this way:
Quote
As with most levels of competition, there is a food chain of superiority, and D-III is no different as we found out last weekend in Dover. Wesley College has an outstanding team and I, for one, intend to root for them as they continue on their way through the bracket. Our visit to Dover from (our hometown) was, with the exception of the outcome of the game, a most pleasant one. The players, coaches, and fans behaved with class and we befriended several in the stands who came to sit on the sunnier visitors side rather than in the sun-protected home stands.

One of the things we have most appreciated about D-III is the friendliness and camaraderie that exists among fans and players. With few exceptions, (our son) relays to us how classy most players and coaches are during and after games. Wesley was no exception.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 27, 2006, 06:57:59 PM
There was also a post on the AFCA board from Tartanplayer commenting on positives of the game experience.

Pat, I'm guessing that was 1993, but didn't CUA beat Galludet?  Or were they a club that year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 27, 2006, 07:59:31 PM
Well, I only spoke for myself.  I know my time was not as enjoyable as others.  The city was great and all, just the game experience kind of killed it for me.  Besides, a nine hour drive adds to grumpiness.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 27, 2006, 08:28:31 PM
Maybe this will cheer ya up.  There's a shot of your brother making a tackle in the photo gallery, next to last page.

http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1452
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 27, 2006, 08:34:47 PM
thanks cwru70.  I believe that was his sack.  It was a good play.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 27, 2006, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on November 27, 2006, 11:30:23 AM
Any insight into Chicago and how they will be in 2007?  Don Maloney always seems to have quality players on his roster.

I think they lose a lot from a disappointing season.  I'll let the UChi faithful add their thoughts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dedragon on November 28, 2006, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on November 27, 2006, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 02:55:45 AM
Quote from: WRCTChuck on November 26, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
As far as they playcalling in the 4th qtr. (the long pass to clarke, the pass to robinson ahead by 31) my issue isn't so much the play calling but why have robinson, clarke, warrick,etc risk injury in a game that has already been decided? I think that's stupid. This is a team that has a legitmate shot at a national title and the coaches are being cute in a game where they have a 37 point lead? Stupid.

Sometimes coaches are "cute" because they want to put stuff on tape for future playoff opponents to have to worry about. That's a pretty common staple for coaches who have been there before.

  Pat

  Robinson has been playing slot back/wide out for weeks now as a blocker and has had one other pass thrown his way. The kid is a great athlete and is not the first player at Wesley to play both ways.

Robinson has been lining up as the second TE in short yardage situations, however, for the first time last week he split out and was used as a blocker on a quick throw. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 29, 2006, 04:48:33 PM
CWRU70  I agree.  Going into 2007 Chicago was expected/predicted to be strong, and their overall record was a disappointment.  I know they lost a few Seniors, but was looking for a Chicago poster to fill me in on who's returning/lost etc.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on December 02, 2006, 05:20:36 PM
Congrats to Aaron Lewis on being named 1st Team Academic All America and for receiving an invite to the Aztec Bowl.

Also congrats to Trent Sisson and Brian Freeman for being named 2nd Team Academic All America
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 05, 2006, 11:35:15 AM
CWRU makes it 5 NCAC games for 2007.  OWU will come to Case (Western Reserve) Field on Nov 10.  OWU was already on the schedule for 2008 & 2009.  Hiram is also on tap for those years when the schedule is all NCAC and UAA teams (including former UAA football member Rochester).

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/misc/future%20schedules.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 10, 2006, 05:26:29 PM
Kudos to UAA's All-Region picks:
WUStL (S)
Drew Wethington 2nd Team

CWRU (N)
Tom  Brew 1st Team
Joe Brenner 2nd Team
John Tiemeier 2nd Team
Brian Calderone 3rd Team

CMU (S)
Aaron Lewis 1st Team
J P White 1st Team
Derek Wisnieski 2nd Team
Andrew Althouse 2nd Team
Michael Reggie 2nd Team
Travis Sivek 3rd Team
Anthony Ciotti 3rd Team
Rich Lackner COY



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 18, 2006, 07:12:08 PM
Here's to UAA's D3 AAs:

2nd: Aaron Lewis and J P White-CMU

3rd:  Tom Brew-CWRU

And CMU's final ranking #22
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 20, 2006, 12:20:20 AM
Congrats to Tom Brew also on being one of the final 10 for the Gagliardi Trophy.  Best of luck to all UAA teams this offseason in preparation for 2007.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 30, 2006, 10:29:08 AM
FWIW-CMU was 19th in AFCA final poll.

Maybe CMU's success and CWRU's win over ODAC champ W&L will boost UAA's cred.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on January 02, 2007, 08:37:36 AM
I agree with you that those things should give the UAA some credibility, but I'm just going to wait until about August and see what people think then.  CMU has a very strong team coming back, and I am sure WUStL will continue to be decent team. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on January 04, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
Then again, the UAA has been a bit unpredictable as of late.  Remember that CMU was tied with Case for 3rd in the UAA in the preseason polls.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 04:20:02 PM
cwru and BDtartan and colleagues:

Just out of blind curiosity, do you see any potential UAA football expansion in future years at all?  I realize that Johns Hopkins and Washington U and Rochester were members in the past, but was just wondering if expansion is a dead issue.  If it isn't, who, in your opinions, would be likely and appropriate candidates?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 04:24:00 PM
Oops, my bad! :-[  Scratch Washington U from my last post - didn't mean to type that in there!  That's what happens when one gets old(er), mind thinking slower, and "spastic" typing fingers! ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 04, 2007, 07:06:35 PM
Rochester is still in the UAA, they just don't compete in football.  They do have CWRU and CMU on their schedule in the next few years,  My guess is more conference games, less travel, and AQ will keep them in LL for football. They played in an ECAC game this past post-season. They had dual membership until LL expanded.   Hopkins never competed in football and has been gone several years.  They have played Rochester and CMU in football in years past.

All UAA members are members of the AAU, an organization of research universities. Short of a complete athletic de-emphasis by one of the Ivies, only MIT of current AAU members would seem a fit.  Perhaps the upcoming NCAC-UAA scheduling agreement will lure three teams to depart the NCAC in football as associate members of UAA.  Credit to Ralph Turner for that idea.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on January 04, 2007, 09:23:24 PM
Tufts would be a fit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2007, 01:15:52 AM
cwru:

Thanks for the follow-up and detail on history of the league.  I was aware that Rochester was still in the league, but not fb, which is what I had meant to say.  However, I somehow forgot or was unaware that JH didn't participate in the league in fb in the past.  Anyway, I can understand what you mention about any further potential expansion; could potentially work, but will be interesting to see if anything were to eventually develop.

frank:
I supposed Tufts would be, although certainly the far travel distance might be a factor.  On the other hand, some could say that being an aspect about the previous and current UAA members, although the universities apparently (obviously) have accepted that.  Certainly, Tufts or MIT would have to be willing to fund the travel costs.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 06:38:38 AM
Brandeis and Tufts are in about the same location, and Brandeis manages non-football UAA travel.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 05, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
I thought of Tufts, but they aren't a member of the AAU, which seems to be a common thread for membership.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on January 05, 2007, 10:08:16 AM
I was going to bring up the NCAC-UAA agreement, but cwru70 beat me to it.  While I don't exactly know what the purpose of the agreement is, I hope that cwru and Ralph Turner are correct and it will lure 3 NCAC teams over to the UAA in order to get an AQ.  The actual schedule agreement won't be in effect until 08' I believe.

CMU proved that the UAA can actually compete.  Year in and year out is another question.  But then again, CMU looks to be strong again in 07' and maybe another good showing will boost the UAA and get some better recruits through the doors of the UAA schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 05, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
Perusing the AAU website for member institutions, see not a single NCAC member listed, besides former member, CWRU.

Is there a potential for current NCAC member insitutions to apply, be solicited or admitted to this organization?

Generally, consider Kenyon, Denison and Oberlin to be the premiere academic insitutions in the NCAC.  Not a quantitative consideration but qualitiative  per this posters own exposure to alumni from these schools as law school classmates.  In support of my own, Witt has expanded the science curriculum significantly over the course of the last three years.

signed,
the other Wally

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 11:54:34 AM
Relative to CMU's ability to compete, there are lots of good high school players in western PA, comparable in number to northeast OH.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 05, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
AAU is for research universities.  None of the NCAC schools fit that definition.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 06:22:25 PM
Nowhere in the UAA governing documents could I find limitation of membership to AAU members - only to private research universities located in major metropolitan areas. Not that I should care.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 05, 2007, 11:02:18 PM
Frank...I will grant you that AAU membership is not required for UAA membership, the defining factor being "strong graduate programs."  I only point out that all UAA members have been AAU members.  Tufts would fit that definition.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 11:14:52 PM
The AAU website does not indicate that Tufts is a member.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on January 05, 2007, 10:08:16 AM
I was going to bring up the NCAC-UAA agreement, but cwru70 beat me to it.  While I don't exactly know what the purpose of the agreement is, I hope that cwru and Ralph Turner are correct and it will lure 3 NCAC teams over to the UAA in order to get an AQ.  The actual schedule agreement won't be in effect until 08' I believe.

CMU proved that the UAA can actually compete.  Year in and year out is another question.  But then again, CMU looks to be strong again in 07' and maybe another good showing will boost the UAA and get some better recruits through the doors of the UAA schools.

BDTartan,

I don't think that the UAA is setting this up to give the UAA schools a Pool A bid.  I think that it is being done to ensure like-minded opponents for UAA schools.  As I have read its plans, some NCAC schools are obligated to play more UAA opponents than others.

To achieve a Pool A bid for the UAA members, I think that 3 NCAC schools would need to be "loaned" as affiliates to the UAA on a long term basis.

Under my recommendation to provide a Pool A bid, the UAA-4 would provide the core members of the conference to fulfill that requirement.  The "NCAC-loaned-3" would be affiliate members (just like Catholic is for the ODAC and just like Menlo is for the NWC and gives the NWC its Pool A bid in 2008, etc., etc.)  With the minimum 7 members, they would constitute a conference, and those UAA-7 would earn a Pool A bid after 2 complete seasons.

The remaining 7 NCAC members would still keep the Pool A bid for their conference.

As I have read the news releases, I think that the UAA is still in Pool B for the near future.

Here are my thoughts on Pool B (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3830.77) as I updated them last summer.

Pool B loses 7 schools from the Presidents AC to Pool A, and Colorado College moves to the SCAC.  I think that the net effect will be one Pool B bid moves to Pool A.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on January 08, 2007, 01:24:47 PM
Frank - I know about western PA high school football.  In fact, there are quite a few western PA'ers on CMU's roster.

Ralph - As I stated, I am not entirely sure what the purpose of the UAA-NCAC agreement is.  I was just hoping that maybe there was a hidden agenda to get an AQ if at least 3 of the NCAC schools like what they got out of the agreement.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 18, 2007, 09:12:45 AM
Hansen names Tom Brew North Region defenive backfield POY.  Joe Brenner and Brian Calderone 2nd team, and John Tiemeier 3rd.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2007, 12:27:07 AM
I don't think we need to publicize that here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 30, 2007, 06:51:15 PM
Tom Brew has not decided whether he will return to use his medical hardship year, according to CWRU.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s2_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on February 21, 2007, 09:07:12 PM
Is Case going to get any Indiana kids this year? Also, can anyone provide an '07 preview?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 22, 2007, 08:15:50 AM
Only 1 IN player on the current roster, so unlikely there would be many, if at all.  Unless you know someone?

Too early to forecast.  Lots of ? about what injured players might return and if any others whose absences last year were unexplained return.  Two good QBs should return, but they need to cut down miscues.  And not much experience at WR.  Seems like a couple of teams won championships using 2 QBs, not that I'm putting CWRU anywhere near that category.  Most of the D returns, with the prospect of Brew coming back as a big ?.  The schedule is easier with two of the new D-III teams on it.   Wooster and the UAA games are the toughest, and the Oberlin game has been close the last few years (but CWRU has won 22 in a row).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on February 23, 2007, 09:25:55 PM
QuoteOnly 1 IN player on the current roster, so unlikely there would be many, if at all.  Unless you know someone?

Old age...seems to me I heard of a top RB from IN who might be considering Case...can't remember the kid's name...

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 24, 2007, 10:59:00 AM
CWRU's top RB the last 3 yrs was a Sr last year.  So there is an opening there.  Let us know if the details are remembered.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on March 01, 2007, 09:42:49 PM
Well, CMU has filled their two open dates on their schedule and I must admit that I am a bit disappointed.  It doesn't seem as if they tried to fill those dates with stiffer competition.  Unless the dates just didn't work out.

@ Rochester
GCC
@ Hobart
Allegheny College
open
@ Randolph Macon College
CWRU
@ U. of Chicago
WUStL
@Bethany
Washington & Lee
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 02, 2007, 06:58:05 AM
Rochester, Hobart, and W&L are worthy opponents.  Allegheny is not too shabby either.  GCC, RMC, and Bethany are the only potential breathers.  All in all a pretty well balanced schedule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:23:05 AM
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on March 21, 2007, 09:12:16 AM
Well, the 07 season is underway for the coaches and players as most teams have started spring practice.  CMU started yesterday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 05, 2007, 07:17:55 PM
BDT

Any chance that your brother might be tried at ILB where 3 of 4 on last years 2 deep were seniors?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on April 07, 2007, 09:53:01 AM
It seemed likely that that would have been the case, and I guess he was told that, but one of the starting DL that was a soph. last year won't be back next year so they're just going to leave my bro right where he is and he should start.  But from what I got out of the conversation, he would have been tried at ILB if not for the DL leaving the team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 19, 2007, 10:06:06 AM
Case Western Reserve's new facilities seem to be reaping rewards in recruiting.  The Spartans have announced their largest recruiting class ever with 51 frosh and one transfer.  With 60 veterans reported to be returning, the prospect for duplicate numbers arises for the first time as well.

It's not just quantity either, as many of them earned post season honors.  Leading that group is All State second team RB Bill Deitmen from Div I runner up Mentor.  Dan Whalen will have a familiar receiver to throw to as his Willoughby South teammate Shaun Nicely, HM All State WR, joins him.  Each should have a good shot at cracking the lineup, since an All UAA RB and 3 All UAA WRs have departed.  There's also an All State HM QB from Maryland and another QB from Illinois who in two seasons threw 28 TDs and only 3 ints.

The big news in the returning roster is that Tom Brew is listed as coming back for his final year of eligibility.  With Scott Madden also reported returning, that leaves NG as the only defensive position with no starter returning.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s2_page2

WUStL in contrast reports 40 recruits.  Any word on CMU or UChi?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on May 30, 2007, 10:26:18 AM
Thanks for the PM on recruiting cwru70!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2007, 08:47:39 PM
As a measure of how far the program has come, the 2004 team had 54 players total!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 08, 2007, 09:33:56 AM
I don't have any reliable info on CMU at the moment, but if I had to guess I'd say they got about 40 recruits this year.  Don't know of any transfers either....other than the previous info of a DL leaving CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 10, 2007, 04:39:23 PM
I'm really optimistic about our chances.

We'll have the largest roster and greatest depth we've had in years, and a TREMENDOUS young QB prospect returning.

I'm hoping for our first ever NCAA bid, to go along with a Division III National Title in men's soccer!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 10, 2007, 10:15:29 PM
Welcome Maj. Spartan, great to have another Case Western Reserve supporter on here.  I hope that in fact Brew will return.  And also that the three injured O linemen can return as well.

I'll set my sights on a UAA title and let let the playoff thought wait until after the Wooster game.  The weakness of the schedule could hurt even if this turns out to be an undfeated season.

Winning the UAA is also the first task for the soccer team, but you are correct about the talent that is returning.   

Will the coaches use 300 as a motivator?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 11, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
cwru70,

"300" would certainly be a great motivational tool.

TREMENDOUS military flick!

Is Brew getting some sort of medical redshirt?  It'd be great to have a returning All-American anchoring our defense.

We should have some HOSSES on the O-Line, especially if Brandon Jeffries returns!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 11, 2007, 07:54:26 PM
Brew indeed has a year of eligibility remaining due injury in 2005.  It was reported by the school that he was considering playing.  Don't know if his inclusion on the returning roster means he has decided to play or if that's only wishfull thinking.

Is there reason to suspect Jeffries may not be returning?  I was referring to Zagorski and Tichar who had been UAA HM, but missed all last year from injury.  And Nick Spring who started at LT against Denison, but had a season ending injury.  All three are listed on the returnees roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 12, 2007, 07:15:45 AM
cwru70,

OK.  If we could get all those hosses back, we'll be pretty damned tough up front!!!

Nick Sachenda, aka "Monster Nick" could also have an impact!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 12, 2007, 08:13:58 AM
It's a bit early to be splittin' hairs here, but someone is in love with the capitalized version of trememdous.......does this signify anything...?...cuz' I saw both QB's against CMU and neither one even looked tremendous with just a capital T.

Let's not also forget that until the conference season starts all bets are running through Pittsburgh........with a very formidable Wing-T that is returning all of the key components including 4 out of 5 starting OL.  If anything.....the offense should be even more lights out this year.  The defense is going to need some time to start playing together because there will be some new faces at key positions, but CMU has enough veteran leadership on both sides of the ball to at least be a major contender for the UAA and a possible second straight trip to the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing more that I like better than to see rivals give each other a hell of a game.......it sounds like CMU and CWRU are going to be having some battles in the next couple years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 12, 2007, 05:30:55 PM
Tartan,

CMU is indeed going to be tough to beat, and should be considered the favorite.

But CWRU athletics has been going through a recent Renaissance, and our football program, with its back to back record size recruiting classes, will soon be capable of challenging for a conference title.

Next season's "Academic Bowl" could be a whale of a game!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 12, 2007, 07:30:18 PM
Maj-

There was a bunch of bulk on the bench, but smaller players started.

BTD-

True Whalen was inconsistent, but he led last minute drives to win two games, and almost did it at WUStL as well.  Still he has shown more potential than performance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 13, 2007, 09:52:45 AM
CWRU - I agree with the potential in Whalen.....I saw that much in just the time he was in against CMU, but as surprising as this sounds, I don't think the Shotgun is his offense......he seems to be more of a play-action capability QB.  He threw better on the move then just sitting back in the gun or quick slants.

Major - You could say that CMU's football is going through a Renaissance of its own.......don't forget that next years team is going to be loaded with seniors and key juniors but according to my brother, who plays DL, CMU has alot of talent in the lower ranks as well.  Of course not having a losing season in 31 years helps get some good D3 ballplayers through the doors.  Also, next years "Academic Bowl" is at Gesling so......

I'm not real up to speed on Chicago or WUStL mainly because nobody posts much about them here, but I do believe that they won't be push-overs........anybody know if that stud defensive lineman WUStL had graduated or not??  Drew Whethington or something like that was his name.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 13, 2007, 06:51:06 PM
Wethington was listed as a SR last year and is not on the WUStL 2007 roster.  The Bears have almost zero experience at QB FWIW.  Chicago loses a lot after a disappointing season.

I'm pretty sure Whalen was in a similar offense in HS.  You can still move the pocket around from the gun.  He was often on the move last year due to protection breaking down.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 14, 2007, 08:52:45 AM
Yes, I saw him on the move and in trouble against CMU's front three, but I didn't see a whole lot from their offense where they moved the pocket on purpose.....but I only saw one game.

Considering the close game WUStL had against CWRU and losing to CMU at home, it would seem like they played better on the road.......I know they kicked CMU's butts the year before at Gesling.

I think Chicago has a pretty talented RB coming back, but I could be mistaken.  I think Shey was his name and I think he was a Jr. last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 18, 2007, 07:48:39 AM
Nick Schey was All-UAA 1st team in 2005, but injured much of last year.  Chuck Little was the RB who played against CMU last year and he was 2nd team All-UAA.  Each could return.  The UAA release listed Schey as a Jr in 2005, but Chicago listed him as a JR last season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 18, 2007, 09:18:14 AM
Yeah, I remember seeing Shey on the sideline.......I believe it was an ankle or shoulder injury.

At this point, you are just hoping that guys stay healthy through their off-season regimen....at least that's the case from my point of view.  I don't know that CMU has had as talented an offense as they are going to have next year.  I can't wait to see Sivek and Gimson cuttin' up the turf.  I know Sivek is the feature back, but I love watching Gimson run the ball......he's just hardnose for being a smaller guy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 18, 2007, 09:12:15 PM
Nine players have been scratched from the Spartan returners roster.  Noteably the aforementioned Madden and Tichar. 

Schey's name is pronounced Shay like mine and Nick Shay was the main character in Don DeLillo's Underworld.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 20, 2007, 08:56:53 AM
I take it that Tom Brew is still listed on the returnee roster??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 20, 2007, 03:17:58 PM
Brew, an All-American last season according to at least one publication, is indeed on the returnees roster.

He must have received a medical redshirt, or something like that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 20, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 20, 2007, 03:17:58 PM
Brew, an All-American last season according to at least one publication

You can say 'by D3football.com' -- it's OK. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 20, 2007, 07:31:28 PM
Brew, a 3rd team D3football.com AA, was injured in 2005's 3rd game.  Hence he has another year of eligibility.  Although I'm pretty sure the NCAA doesn't call it a redshirt.

With the nine names just deleted, I suspect that Returnees Roster is more like "players with eligibility remaining who haven't said they won't be playing."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 21, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
Has Brew got a reason to return other than football? 

For example.....Does he need to return for any classes?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 21, 2007, 03:58:21 PM
My guess would be grad school.  His undergrad field was public health.  Last year CWRU had a distance runner who continued as a grad student in business administration and public health.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 22, 2007, 10:37:19 PM
cwru70,

"Medical Redshirt" is the term used in Division I-A for such a situation.

Not sure what they call it in Division III.

I hope that Brew and Calderone lead us to our best defensive performance ever next season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
We use that here but the technical term, I think at both levels, is medical hardship.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 26, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
I'm not going to count Brew (or anyone else) until at least Aug 9, unless I see something confirming that he's going to play.

Spartan WR recruit Erik Williams helped his Detroit Country Day HS team win the Michigan Class 3 track title.  He placed 6th in the 200M (23.24) and ran on the first place 800M relay and second place 400M relay.  An injury in the 200 forced him out of the 1600M relay which Country Day also won with a back-up.

His frame (6'1" or 2" and 190 or 195#) and 200 time put me in mind of Dave Kallevig, Case's all time leading receiver...if he only has the other tools!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on June 27, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
Here is an article about one of Erik Williams games from last year.  With his speed sounds like a good pick up for Case.  http://www.michiganelitefootball.com/ssp/football_news?news_id=118
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2007, 08:15:29 PM
Country Day was a FB playoff team too, losing in the second round.  Chris Webber and Robin Williams are alums!!!

Receiver is a big need for the Spartans as almost 80% of last year's receptions were by seniors.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 06, 2007, 07:18:40 PM
Three more from last year's roster have been dropped from this year's list (none who had any real playing time) and one from the recruit list.  So now there are exactly 99 on the roster.  James Rosenbury is listed on the coaching staff now.

And the site now explicitly states that Tom Brew is returning (Preseason All American pickers take note!).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 07, 2007, 09:47:21 AM
cwru70,

Who do you think that our starting front five on the offensive line, and our starting front 7 at DL/LB will be this season?

Please post with your predictions!

Do you see "Monster" Nick Sachenda (6'4", 295 lbs.) cracking the starting lineup?

Does returning All-American linebacker Tom Brew (6'2", 240 lbs.) have a chance to be the Division III defensive player of the year in 2007?

Dang I'm excited about this season.  My sophomore year at Case (1991) was the last time that we won 7 games.  I can realistically see us equalling or bettering that THIS YEAR!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 07, 2007, 10:34:31 AM
I'd rank OL: Jeffries, Zagorski (pre-injury), Breon, Spring (pre-injury), Center (OT), Leshen, Sachanda.  Zagorski hasn't played since being injured in 2005, so his return is a big question mark.  Four freshmen OL are listed at 6'4"

D front is set except for NT which is wide open.  Ends: Calderone, Genovesi, Jenkins.  OLB: Tuertscher, Chlebina.  ILB:  Brew, Brown, Wolfe.  DPOY will likely come from a more "high profile" program.

Fronczak's departure leaves a 6'1" 270# hole in the middle.  Deitmen was a 3 yr starter at RB for Mentor, an outstanding big school program.  Several Fr WRs seem to have speed.  They will need to live up to their potential.  And Whalen and Mirando need to eliminate turnovers.

I'd be disappointed with fewer than 7 wins.

Here's a report from Chicago.  Link at bottom to their 25 recruits.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/coachescorner/football/coachescorner-fb.htm (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/coachescorner/football/coachescorner-fb.htm)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 13, 2007, 07:20:14 PM
Michael Davis WR Glenville, previously reported as heading to JCU, is now listed on the Spartan roster, which now numbers 100 players.  Interestingly he ran 800, 1500, and 5k in hs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 14, 2007, 10:00:18 AM
cwru70,

1) Have we ever had this many players in our program?

2) When do Fall football practices begin?

3) Is the UAA going to produce a pre-season coaches poll?

4) What's your prediction for the Oberlin game?

5) How many freshmen are expected to start/see significant playing time?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 14, 2007, 11:49:05 AM
1)  Not to my knowledge.  The incoming class is reported as largest ever.
2)  Aug 9 is report date per the website.
3)  I seem to recall a poll in years past.
4)  Definitely a win over Oberlin.  A big win would be a great start, but the past few years it has been a close game.
5)  Nine frosh made significant contributions last year.  I can see frosh this year contributing at WR (2), DL, S, and RB.  Injuries could provide other opportunities as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 20, 2007, 05:58:48 PM
Two interesting additions to the Spartan roster.  Bradley Paramore, a DB from Garfield Hts, is listed as a FR, but he was a RS at Walsh in 2005, and was in their '06 media guide.  There is no indication, however, that he ever played.

The second is LB Chris Dominiak.  No further info is listed about him, but there was a DE/TE Chris Dominiak at Toledo Central Catholic last year.  He was 2nd team DivII all Ohio at DE.  And he won an OHSAA scholar-athlete scholarship.

He would make three all Ohio players in this year's class!!!   :o

And once again all 10 games will be broadcast over the air and the net.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 01, 2007, 08:20:51 AM
Congrats to Tom Brew, 2nd team on the only pre-season A-A list that really matters (see front page).  And probably the only one that knows he's coming back!

Looks like CWRU will be streaming VIDEO of its home games.  No word if there will be a charge.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 02, 2007, 02:16:08 PM
One week till players start reporting and a month till the season starts.  Can we get something started here?

Here's a look at the quality players each team returns.

RETURNING ALL-UAA SELECTIONS
(* denotes previous selection)

Carnegie Mellon (14)


RB   Robert Gimson Sr (1)*
FB   Travis Sivek Sr (1)*
TE   Derek Wisnieski Jr (1)
OT   Andrew Althouse Sr (1)
OT   Brian Freeman Jr (HM)
OG   Jameson O’Donnell Sr (1)*
C   Anthony Ciotti Sr (1)  

DL   Mike Reggie Sr (1)
DL   Clay Crits Jr (2)
DL   Bob Keelan Jr (HM)
OLB   Trent Sisson Jr (1)
OLB   Jonathan Bodnar Jr (2)
DB   Jonathan Scholl Sr (1)
P   Matt Adams Sr (1)


Case Western Reserve (8 [10 pos])

FB   Corey Checkan Jr (2)
C   Brandon Jeffries Sr (HM)*

DL   Brian Calderone Jr (1) PK (1)*
OLB   Mike Tuertscher Sr (1)*
OLB   Ben Chlebina Jr (2)
ILB   Tom Brew Sr (1) Co-DPOY*
DB   John Tiemeier Sr (1)*
DB   Bobby Bott So (HM) KR (2) ROY

*Tom Zagorski (HM OL ‘03 and ‘04) may return from 2005 injury


Chicago (8 )  

RB   Chuck Little Sr (2)
FB            Kyle Cepeda (2 ‘05)
WR   Mike Albian Sr (1)*
WR   John Kiernan Jr (2) [QB on this year’s roster]

LB   Tony Insalaco Sr (HM)*
DB   John Ryle Sr (2)
DB   Mike Harriett Sr (HM)
DB   Chris Leamy So (HM)


Washington (11)

FB   Scottie Guthrie Sr (2)
WR   Dan Cardone Sr (2)
OT   Scott Reigle Sr (1)*
OL   Kevin Brooks Sr (HM)

DL   Jim Manship Jr (2)
DL   Charlie Machan Sr (HM)
OLB   Michael Elliott Sr (1)*
ILB   Tyler McSparin Sr (2)*
DB   Tommy Bawden Jr (2)
DB    Evan Mayer Sr (HM)
PR   Mike Mangini So (2)

No All-UAA QBs return, but CWRU and CMU return experience.  Could this be the first win for the Spartans over the Bears since 1991?


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 02, 2007, 04:52:37 PM
I'm hoping that this will be our first ever SWEEP of the UAA, and our first berth in the NCAAs!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 02, 2007, 05:53:42 PM
That will be a tall order with what CMU returns.  But last year Case's D held the Tartans to 205 yds rushing (55 below their season average) and the offense gained 45 yds more than CMU averaged giving up.  Take away a couple of interceptions and the score could have been even.

And even sweeping the UAA, playoffs would still be a long shot, unless the opponents have some big wins.

I see a couple of number changes.  Whalen will wear 5 and Meyer 25 this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 07, 2007, 08:34:16 AM
A wise old man once told me to never count your chickens before they hatch......being a Browns fan has taught me much more than just that.  What paper looks like a week before training camp is great, but let's have them line it up on the field and get a couple games under their belts before we go predicting or hoping for anything.  All I can ask for is that CMU improves on their 06' campaign.  That will likely be a very tough task, but they do have a wealth of experience coming back.

CWRU70 - That game last year was at Case and I give CWRU credit for hanging tough like it seemed they did all year, but from my perspective CMU was in control for most of the game.  Besides, this year's game is at Gesling.  I wish your Spartans all the luck in the world, but come Academic Bowl time, I'll be bleeding Tartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2007, 10:30:18 AM
BDTartan:

You've been a contributor to these boards for a year now, and I noticed no one has given you any +karma.  You deserve at least some of that for your loyalty to your Tartans!  So, here is one for you!  Anyway, good luck to your team - do I recall correctly that you have a brother playing there and if so, is he still there or graduated?
Title: UAA Champion
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 07, 2007, 02:29:06 PM
Who's your pick to win the Nerdy Eight?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 07, 2007, 07:43:18 PM
BTD I was just saying that hanging tough last year gives a hope for this year.  As I said, unseating CMU will be a tall order.

d3db  His karma took a hit last year when he ventured onto other boards to promote the Tartans.  I'm glad to see he's back.

Maj  You mean the Nerdy Eight minus four.  I don't think it takes UAA calibre SATs to see CMU is a hands down favorite to repeat.

The roster now confirms Chris Dominiak as the All-Ohio DE/TE from Toledo Catholic Central.  He played on the 2005 DII state champs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
cwru:

Thanks for the explanation (re: BTD).  Indeed, though, we want to support all you good guys (including myself ;D!).  See you around the boards.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 10, 2007, 03:20:51 PM
formerd3db...thanks for the karma.  It doesn't matter much to me.  I didn't mind some of the beatings I took.  I thought CMU had a fantastic year last year, in fact, it was the best in school history(a pretty fabled early history for a d3 program, with 2 wins over Knute Rockne's Notre Dame in the early part of the 20th century.)  Most wins in a single season at 11-1 last year was pretty impressive for a team that most people had doubts about.  I looked at it this way, when it was all said and done they didn't get it done with the big boys, but they made an outstanding turnaround from a .500 season in 05'.  They've made a step forward and now with alot of that team returning can they improve upon it?? 

Anyways, yes my brother plays for CMU.  He will be a Jr. this coming season and will likely start at DL.  He had a pretty decent season as a reserve last year.  I know what he is capable of and if he stays healthy I think he can have a very productive year for the Tartans.

cwru70, I know what hope is about and saw it come to its fruition last year.  I watched the 05' Thiel @ CMU game when my brother was a freshman and that 3 OT thriller gave me hope for 06' and it turned over and they had a good ride.  Maybe the same thing will happen with CWRU this year.  I haven't seen many of the schedules, but I would assume that its going to be another competitive year in the UAA.

We'll see how much CMU releases this year to the media......cuz' they didn't release much last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 10, 2007, 06:46:25 PM
BDT you're sandbagging a little on your bro'...after all pretty decent was good enough for second team UAA.

CMU will have any questions answered early as two of the first three oponents made post season appearances last year.  CMU was last of the UAA teams to post its '07 roster, but the website has undergone a nice makeover.

Will CWRU build on its last game win over ODAC champ W&L?  That was a big win coming after the dissapointing loss to GCC.  New WRs and RB need to step up.  And Whalen and Mirando need to cut down ints and fumbles.

WashU also has a tough sched with two playoff teams again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 03:57:31 PM
Nice to see that U of Chicago put in new synthetic turf at Stagg Field.  Did they have that last year or will this be the first season.  BTW, their website relates that their media guide/program last year was rated in first place being chosen by "the powers that be" for that format.  It indeed is very nice including their "storied" history from their "big time" days many years ago.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 12, 2007, 12:48:19 PM
cwru70 - Don't get me wrong, I love my brother.  But in no way am I about to get on here and speak for his game and tout his skill.  We come from a family where you keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut.  We basically let our work speak for ourselves.  Therefore, I let my brother go out and play the games and let people decide on their own what they think of him.  I'll be on here all year cheering him and the rest of the Tartans on to victory but I'll not brag them up.  I didn't even think I was bragging them up last year, but I learned my lesson just as well.

And yes, all of the questions will be answered early.......by the way, those two games you are speaking of are AWAY.  So yes, If they answer those questions, I think they will be all right.  And I did notice alot of the overhauls on CMU's website.

I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping that the offense starts clicking right away again cause that is what I believed fueled CMU's run last year.  Even with some injuries to the QB and OL they were able to keep offensive momentum throughout the season until they ran into Wesley.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on August 13, 2007, 09:10:19 AM
I agree with Bdtartan questions about CMU will be answered early.  They are returning a seasoned quarterback and most of the OL. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 13, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
Allow me to be the first to welcome you to our small family on the UAA board plaidfanatic.....I assume from the name that you are a CMU fan?

By the way, a seasoned QB is great to have, but I'm more excited about the rest of the backfield.  Both running backs and the fullback are seniors who have either started or played together since they were sophomores.  I even believe Sivek started as a freshman.

Its going to be tough to make those two games in NY for me so I'm going to have my questions answered over a webcast of those games.  Can't wait to see em' in action at home against GCC though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on August 13, 2007, 11:17:43 AM
thank you and yes i am a cmu fan.  i certainly should have mentioned sivek and gimson along with kolby whitman who may not have the numbers of the other two but has been a regular producer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 13, 2007, 04:03:09 PM
Part of the reason he doesn't have the numbers the other two do is because he was injured a bit last year and Cakert played alot which was great because he did a hell of a job as a blocker coming in motion and on some other specifically designed plays.  I think that Colby can turn the corner just as good if not better than Gimson.  In fact, when those guys were sophomores, he scored quite a few TD's going around the edge but I've still never seen anyone run the ball like Gimson....not in person at least....he won't blow your doors off, he won't run you over, and he won't juke everybody out of their supporters but MAN he is one tough little cookie with the rock in his hands.  Its hard for anybody on the other side of the ball to bring him down with out much of a fight.
Title: CMU schedule
Post by: D3 Poster on August 13, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
Lots of new teams on the schedule this year.   I liked the changes...certainly an upgrade in opponents and will help gauge several different leagues.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 14, 2007, 12:11:26 AM
When I first saw the schedule I was confused a bit because I thought maybe CMU would go out and find at least one team that made the playoffs last year.  I know that may be easier said than done, but then I realized that Rochester and Hobart made it to post-season bowls and had good records.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 10:50:03 AM
Hobart is an NCAA playoff team, BD. So is Washington and Lee.

The changes are significant. Dropping Hiram, Franklin and Marshall, Colorado College and Westminster are positives right now. I'd have liked to have kept Thiel, but the other improvements balance that.

CMU added Rochester (good), Allegheny (good), Randolph-Macon (ehh, just like F&M) and Washington and Lee (average). It's a much more respectable schedule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 14, 2007, 11:56:25 PM
We smoked W&L to end last season, despite the fact that they made the playoffs, so I suspect that CMU will trounce 'em.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 15, 2007, 12:08:00 AM
Thank you for correcting me and adding some extra info Pat.

As I said before MajorSpartan, I'm not counting any chickens before they hatch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2007, 08:20:16 PM
BTD  Just jerking your chain a bit about your brother.  Someone on here has a Paul Brown quote the the effect:  When you lose, say little; when you win, say even less.  Any way, hope he has a great season.

Maj  Not to diminish the Spartan's effort against W&L, especially the defense which rebounded from the Grove City debacle, but W&L could have been looking ahead to their playoff game.  As I recall though they had their starters in the whole time.

Pat  The Thiel game probably was a result of the PAC expansion, the Allegheny game, a result of the NCAC-UAA agreement.  UR is on the CWRU sched next year in week two, anyone know if they are still on CMU's as well?  Would be great if UR  renewed a series with both former UAA rivals.  Or at least a biennial rotation with them.  BTW I just stumbled across a post of mine from right after last year's Kickoff came out in which I said you had overrated CMU.  In fact you had underestimated them.  My apologies to both you and the Tartans. 

Camp has opened with 94 Spartans.  The count is 46 frosh, 2 transfers, and 46 veterans.  I count six duplicate numbers, but curiously neither 23 nor 32 are taken.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 16, 2007, 09:18:43 AM
No worries cwru70, as I said before, I know what he is capable of.  It would be pointless for me to talk about it on here if he doesn't deliver in the end.  I hope he stays healthy and performs, but in the end I'm going to let the cards fall as they may.

Where did CMU pick up Hobart then??  Just a rogue encounter with a school that had an open date?  I don't think there is much history between the two.....

That's a pretty nice size Fr. class for CWRU by the way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerTartan on August 16, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
I know that CMU's Athletic Director has a connection with Hobart and that might have something to do with the somewhat random pairing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 16, 2007, 10:15:31 AM
Welcome to all the new Tartan posters.  If only we could get some info from WashUStL and UChi.

According to Hobart's site, CMU is scheduled in week 3 thru 2010.  Ohio Wesleyan is on CMU's sched in week one in 2008 and 2009.  UR plays CWRU in week two, so that may be the only game with CMU and UR at least until 2010.  The NCAC-UAA agreement adds Wittenberg to CMU's schedule.  Weeks two and seven are the only CMU open dates for 2008 and 2009.

This is the biggest recruiting class in CWRU history.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 17, 2007, 12:01:17 AM
According to the roster on CMU's website, they have 45 Fr. and 68 vets for a total of 113.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 19, 2007, 05:35:09 PM
Are those numbers pretty much par for the course for the Tartans?  Does CMU play any JV games?

CWRU's recruiting classes have risen form 20 in 2004 to 24 in 2005, 37 in 2006, to 46 this year.  Interestingly only 3 players from that class in 2004 remain on this year's roster.  16 from the class of 2005 remain. 

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 19, 2007, 07:56:48 PM
I know that for the last three years my brother has been there they've had about 100 on the roster, and yes, they do play JV games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerTartan on August 19, 2007, 11:54:52 PM
The CMU coaching staff tries to bring in a recruiting class somewhere in the range of 40-50 players every year and their JV schedule usually consists of 3-4 games.  In reality only a few games come to fruition b/c of scheduling conflicts and injuries that seem to arise.

BDTartan, what game or games are you going to make it to this season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 20, 2007, 08:25:04 AM
I plan on attending all of the home games and the game at Bethany and the game at Chicago.  My work schedule won't allow me the time off needed to travel to Rochester, Hobart, or Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 20, 2007, 09:47:51 PM
Checking out the Kickoff rankings reinforces my feeling that less than 7-3 will be a disappointment.  Seven opponents are ranked below the Spartans.  And WashUStL is only eight places higher, a virtual dead heat.  Even Wooster is fewer places away from the Spartans than Oberlin, the highest of the opponents rated lower.

BTW, CMU is rated ahead of all its opponents, but Rochester is but 9 spots below and Hobart, 14.

Do CWRU and CMU JVs meet?  Or do the Tartans just go up and down I-79?  CWRU has home and home meetings with BW and JCU, and they play Lake Erie's new club team. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerTartan on August 21, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
CMU literally stays on I-79 like you said with Bethany, Grove City, and even D1-AA Robert Morris.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 23, 2007, 12:23:49 AM
Well.....I attended the scrimmage between CMU and Waynesburg at Gesling today.  It lasted about two and a half hours.  On the drive home I had time to analyze it all and I came away with some very encouraging thoughts and also some questions.

First off, I loved the offense.  It looked like they never even went home for summer vacation.  And the recruiting class that was brought in has some pretty talented RBs.  I saw promise for the future when the seniors in Gimson, Sivek, and Whitman graduate.

My only true question is what the defense is going to do.  The DL and the OLB's and the one safety looked comfortable, but CMU had to account for 2 ILB's and 3 DB's graduating last year and 2 DL leaving the team, so those positions need some work and time.  Although I will admit they ran mostly basic coverage, the bulk of the secondary looked slow on pass coverage.  And the one thing I have always hated about CMU's 3-4 is that they almost always give WR's at least a 6 yd cushion which doesn't allow the DL and blitzing LB's to make a play on the QB.  Too many times I have seen teams quick hit after quick hit against CMU.  It happened quite alot last year, but that defense found a way to shut people down before they reached the end zone.  Will this relatively young D find a way to gel and play well enough to let the O carry the load??  I don't know.  But I did see some aggressive Fr. on the defensive side of the ball as well.  I even thought a couple of them may have played their way into some consideration for some PT.

All in all it was a good day.  No major injuries, no major flaws or breakdowns and CMU even scored more TD's than Waynesburg.  I wasn't keeping track, but if I had to say.......CMU scored about 10-12 TD's and Waynesburg scored about 7-9 TD's

That's about it for now.  I won't see any action again until week 2 at home against GCC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 23, 2007, 10:10:08 AM
Thanks for the report.  Rochester will be a tough opener.  They'll need to get ready fast!  They'll probably have to beat either Rochester or Hobart and maybe both to return to the playoffs.

Hey just saw Chicago got a vote in the poll above.

UAA coaches' poll can be linked from front page.  WashU and CWRU tied for second.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WRCTChuck on August 23, 2007, 08:01:56 PM
Unfortunately BDTartan, WRCT won't be making the trip to Rochester on the 1st. I too am looking forward to the home opener against GCC. 07' should be a fun year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 23, 2007, 11:11:33 PM
cwru70- I'm not jumping to conclusions from that scrimmage, because that's all it was, a scrimmage.  The 1st teams didn't play a whole lot and did I forget to mention that Gimson didn't even play at all??  Yeah, Lackner kept anyone with even the slightest injury out of the scrimmage.  I'm guessing Gimson was a just a bit banged up because he was on the sidelines running around and helping out the team.  Although you are correct in the fact that they need to improve in order to ensure themselves victory over two tough opponents, I don't think they should worry about rushing it along.  If they just take the time to correct the mistakes they are making they will be perfectly fine.  What's Rochester and Hobart's D's look like??  Cuz' as I said, CMU's O looked like it was firing on all cylinders.  Even the Fr. looked like they had been there before.

WRCTChuck- Does this mean that those of us who can't attend that game won't be able to find a way to listen to it??  Or will Rochester possibly webcast it?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on August 24, 2007, 01:30:08 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on August 16, 2007, 10:15:31 AM
Ohio Wesleyan is on CMU's sched in week one in 2008 and 2009.  UR plays CWRU in week two, so that may be the only game with CMU and UR at least until 2010.  The NCAC-UAA agreement adds Wittenberg to CMU's schedule. 

Quote from: BDTartan on August 23, 2007, 11:11:33 PM
as I said, CMU's O looked like it was firing on all cylinders.  Even the Fr. looked like they had been there before.

That's what I like to hear.  Just like when Jimmy Harbaugh collated the I and the Wing-T, really the only time Marvin Harrison has been utilized in a two wide receiver set, two of my favorite teams will be getting it on.

Feel like Witt is getting things on the upswing defensively again and all the Winged T guys should still be looking to avenge Delaware' big intra-division loss from years gone by.

Want nothing more than to see Witt's best against Erdelyi's best.  Being a wing T guy this one really draws my interest.  While the Tiger's have been evolving offensively the bread and butter of what makes Wittenberg football Wittenberg football, defense, is what myself and I believe most the alum would like to see tilt the field in the Tiger's favor.

signed,
Salesmen Wear Plaid
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 24, 2007, 09:25:51 AM
I don't believe Witt is on the schedule until next year at the earliest.  I will say this, for all of the O CMU will graduate this year, they will be returning a wealth of experience on D in 08' so maybe it will be a defensive battle like CMU vs. WUStL last year if Witt is on the schedule in 08'.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on August 24, 2007, 09:52:28 AM
BD, Not sure when CMU is on the schedule for Witt.  Was assuming from the chronology of Case70's post, Witt would be on the schedule about the same time the freshmen mentioned in your post should be seasoned and veterans.

My posts are often ramblings with little transparency as to the seminal logics, motivations and underpinnings.  Was actually in the back of my mind wondering how our frosh did in camp this year, wanting to backhand compliment or goad our defense and keep myself from wondering if Kubiak in Houston will use Walli Lundy in a manner similar to Coach Erdelyi's Canadian Motion schemes.

Damn, now am running through all kinds of offensive paradigms like the fact Elway was a wing t quarterback, Kubiak was his understudy and assistant coach, their shotgun in Denver was more wing T than most realize, the fact the Oilers were the original one back run n shoot under Moon and that Canadian motion is more a rosetta stone to run n shoot than winged T........    aaargh!!!

Can we get the season started already?

...thinking the wham trap as part of the multiple west coast actually translates the Canadian Motion scheme to I formation.

Anyway, yeah, was just portending the future (foreshadowing a day?) before this season's kickoff.

Think the English Department from Witt just called and wants me to return my degree after that gigantic run on sentence, lexicon confusion and insecurity about literary devices.   :-\

signed,
the other Brother Daryll
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 25, 2007, 09:03:31 AM
Haha....sounds like you know your motion offenses.  I'm more of a defensive minded guy myself.  I could hash out Tampa 2 and the 4-3 Cover 1 with you all day, but you kind of lost me there.  Its all right though, I'm sure that by the time my brother graduates in 09' I will have a much better grasp of Erdelyi's Wing-T.

I'm pretty sure Witt is on the schedule in 08', but I am going to dig out a program from last year and find out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2007, 09:54:18 AM
www.northcoast.org/pdffiles/schedules/ncacuaa08.pdf

You can add Rochester to CWRU for week two and Hobart to CMU week three.

Tom Brew is a "player to watch" in USAT's D3 forecast.  Thanx K-Mack!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 25, 2007, 06:56:42 PM
The coaches picked CMU to win the UAA.  Based on recent experience, that means CMU should finish last.  I think that has been the recent track record of the pre-season UAA poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2007, 07:03:51 PM
I think that's a sample of one.  Chicago had a lot of injuries last season.  Hopefully that wont be the case for any team this year.

OK, Martin I know you cast your vote for Chicago, but who's the closet Chicago fan?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on August 26, 2007, 03:12:01 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on August 25, 2007, 09:54:18 AM
www.northcoast.org/pdffiles/schedules/ncacuaa08.pdf

You can add Rochester to CWRU for week two and Hobart to CMU week three.

Tom Brew is a "player to watch" in USAT's D3 forecast.  Thanx K-Mack!

Wow, what kind of masochist put together the 2008 UAA pairings against the NCAC.

WASUSTL appears to be flavor of the week for the perennial NCAC heavy hitters.  Witt, Wabash, OWU and Wooster are the draws for WASUSTL in 2008.

Only note this because while CMU gets Witt, Allegheny and OWU, they also draw Hiram and Kenyon. 

Chicago has fun with Wabash, but other than that its Oberlin, Denison and Kenyon.

Then there's CWRU, former NCAC member and coincidentally founding member drawing Kenyon, Oberlin, Denison and Hiram.  While OWU and Wooster bolster the schedule, looks like a little nepotism in the scheduling agreement.

In my esteem, the order I listed those UAA setups is order of difficulty.  Case should be ashamed.  While am hearing rumblings in the OWU pantheon that a match with them might be a dangerous endeavor, the schedule for WASUSTL in 2008 looks so lopsided held next to Case's schedule I keep questioning whether I am developing dyslexia or astigmatism or some form of cognitive short circuit.  WOW!

That Hobart pickup for CMU bolsters the nonconference schedule to par with WASUSTL in my opinion if not even eclipsing in difficulty somewhat.

CMU being a most recent playoff team, this type of scheduling is to be expected.  Play up in the regular season to win in the playoffs, but until there is a UAA AQ such a schedule makes even getting a bid a difficult task.

Case might have a nice little formula that season for a playoff bid themselves, with a schedule chronology that lends itself to mojo.

Not to leave Chicago out of the conversation, but it would seem highly advisable that CMU rides their mojo from last season into this and then the next if they are looking to stave off a full on Case usurpation.

signed,
Detroit and Buffalo
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2007, 09:29:27 AM
MacLeod

Inconsistencies are rampant throughout that schedule as you point out.  Note too that Earlham seems to have opted out.  I would have liked to see Allegheny rather than Hiram on the CWRU schedule, but the add of Rochester evens that out.  CWRU has had that four-pack of Oberlin, Denison, Kenyon, and Wooster on its sched for a long time.  Adding Allegheny would have made a reunion of the charter members, and made it look like an early nineties schedule.

BTW the 2009 sched just flips the home team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 27, 2007, 01:34:38 AM
Less than a week away now.....Does anybody have a clue as to how I can listen to the CMU@Rochester game?  WRCT is not making the trip apparently....

I hear what martin is saying, but I can't see CMU finishing last.  That would be two years in a row that CMU surprises alot of folks if that happens.  I don't think people expect the same from last year and maybe even some think it was a fluke, but I don't think they'll be that bad.  Looking at the schedule I'm going to make a prediction of 8-2, only because not everything goes according to plan.  If CMU plays their best they are capable of duplicating last year's undefeated season.  8-2 would be a good year, but making the playoffs with that record might be tricky.  Its up to the players to decide where they go.  I hope they let it all hang out on the field and let the chips fall as they may.

From what cwru70 has been saying it sounds like the "Academic Bowl" is going to get heated over the next couple years.  Both programs seem to be getting more talent.  By the way cwru70, I never did purchase the Kickoff.  Anything interesting in there about CMU??

Good luck this weekend to the Tartans and the rest of the UAA!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on August 27, 2007, 01:34:38 AM
Less than a week away now.....Does anybody have a clue as to how I can listen to the CMU@Rochester game?  WRCT is not making the trip apparently....

Check Rochester's site.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 27, 2007, 03:13:02 PM
I figured I would check their site at some point this week, but thanks anyways Pat.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2007, 09:50:40 PM
Pat - In years past there were broadcast links from the Schedule or Scoreboard pages.  Will that not be the case this year?

CWRU media guide w/preview
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/stats/2007/FB%20media%20guide.pdf

Has Mirando dropped 20# and it landed on Greg Meyer?  And does Chekan now check in at 220?

BDT - Seriously you should pony up the $8.95, or use your brother's e-mail for $ 4.95.  You may want to check out Hobart and Rochester.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on August 27, 2007, 10:28:53 PM
Per the CMU athletic website the game has a link there for webcast.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2007, 10:47:51 PM
Looks like there will be video!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on August 27, 2007, 09:50:40 PM
Pat - In years past there were broadcast links from the Schedule or Scoreboard pages.  Will that not be the case this year?

SIDs have the ability to post them themselves. If they don't, we'll get to them eventually, but perhaps not for Week 1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 28, 2007, 08:52:39 AM
Thanks guys, even though I can't be there on Saturday, I didn't want to miss my brother's first start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 28, 2007, 08:51:27 PM
Hope your computer can handle the video stream.  I seem to recall you don't have the fastest connect.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 29, 2007, 11:00:50 AM
That shouldn't be a problem.  I plan on watching it at my neighbor's house since he has a much faster connection.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2007, 09:52:38 PM
Major Spartan, we need your vote to bring us up even!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 31, 2007, 10:40:30 AM
Haha, I think we will be able to either justify that poll or throw it out the window after this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2007, 11:20:13 AM
I dunno BDT, I suspect even a close loss to Rochester would still leave CMU the UAA pick. 

Let's go Spartans, Tartans, and Bears!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 31, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
You're probably right, but I am sure that if CMU loses a close one at Rochester that they will drop off of everybody's radar.  With that said, I really do think its going to be a close game tomorrow.  I only know a little about Rochester based on press releases and stats from last year.  It looks to me that both teams have questions on D and their Offenses are their strengths.  CMU is going to have to shut down Vanderstyne at WR and hope to contain their RB as well.  Judging from last years stats, those two guys made up roughly 75-80% of Rochester's O last year.  And Rochester knows the same thing about CMU with Sivek and Gimson so..........needless to say, I think that the team that gives the greatest defensive effort should win a close one.

I say 27-21 CMU in a nail-biter.  Go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
Campus paper reports three frosh will start tomorrow; two on O, one on D.  No names given though.

From another source, it sounds like it will be RB by committee.  I like the idea of fresh legs.  Spartan's depth should be the difference against Oberlin.

BTW the all-state recruit from Toledo is no longer listed on the roster.

Just found Oberlin's game program online.  According to that the three frosh are all on O: WR Brian Webster, TB Derek Bush, and OT Marcus Kluczynski.  Zagorski will start at LG.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 01, 2007, 02:15:48 PM
Well, I have been unable to connect to the webcast for whatever reason......so I got an update from my parents at halftime and CMU was up 20-3.  The D gave up some big plays on Rochester's opening drive that led to the field goal but since then has stepped up and played well.  The O is rolling and chewing up the clock.  Jeremy Doo caught a 40 yd. pass that set up a Travis Sivek 1 yd TD run.  That's about all I got right now.

Any troubleshooting help on the webcast would be helpful, but its just about pointless now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
I watched the first quarter, you're not missing much.  The video is hazy and there's an echo in the audio.

CWRU leads 20-6 at the half.  OC's TD was a pick 6 on CWRU's first possesion.  Whalen has settled and is now 10-18 2 tds 123 yds.  Each TD was to a FR WR.  FB Checkan has 9-48 and a TD.

You do have Quicktime Player?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 01, 2007, 03:05:08 PM
Final score: CMU 33  Rochester 10
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2007, 03:09:31 PM
30-13 CWRU late in 3rd.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 01, 2007, 04:46:24 PM
Well.......being a Michigan fan, I've had my heart ripped out and stomped on today.  I will never root for any one big time college team again.  It's like this now, CMU is my one and only college team.  The rest of it is just entertainment to me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2007, 07:53:21 PM
Smashing 37-15 victory by Case over Oberlin.

That keeps our 25 year winning streak against our local artsy-fartsy rivals alive.

The game was even more lopsided than the score indicates.

We outgained them something like 401-183.

On to Denison!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2007, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on September 01, 2007, 04:46:24 PM
Well.......being a Michigan fan

Gee, and just when I was starting to like you.   ;)

I also have a degree from OSU.  Firing Earl Bruce soured me on the Buckeyes.  Now the Big 10 network money grab and scheduling an FCS opponent seals the deal.  I quit caring about the NFL and MLB long ago.  It's DIII or nothing for me.

According to the box score 24 FR played for CWRU v. 30 upper classmen.  Although there will be five big losses next year, the future looks bright! 

Also the box score finally reflects the 3-5 defense that CWRU plays.  3 DL, 3 true LBs,  2 CBs, a FS, and 2 hybrid LB/SS.  They ought to be called "Spartan Spears."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2007, 08:04:38 PM
Maj we need your vote in the poll at the top of the page!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
cwru70,

How do I answer it?

I haven't figured that one out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2007, 09:07:47 PM
I guess it must be closed now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on September 01, 2007, 11:02:59 PM
I was at the Rochester game today and CMU was much stronger than the score indicates.  The defense looked great including your brother BDTartan and so did the offense.  The second string offense drove almost to the endzone against their first string defense and then the CMU coach let the clock run out without punching it in.  Obviously they still have some things to work on but for the first game of the season, it certainly was a great start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2007, 10:24:52 PM
CMU rises to #25

BTW, has anyone else noticed that those other guys seem to have abandoned their website?  I've seen their DII rankings posted on some school sites, but they must be print only now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 03, 2007, 08:25:55 AM
Good first game for CMU.  Rochester was missing a couple of starters, and they were missed.  CMU needs to be a litle more efficient in the passing department.

plaidfanatic, how about the officiating?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 03, 2007, 08:36:48 AM
What a dork.  Little has 2 t's.  Someone please tell me how to edit!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on September 03, 2007, 10:07:38 AM
Tartan fans weren't happy with the calls that is for sure.  There appeared to be a lot of homer calls in that game. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2007, 10:33:04 AM
TF-You have to have a certain # of posts before you get the edit privilege.

Is PK a concern?  3/5 PATs and 35 yd FG missed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 03, 2007, 11:18:26 AM
Well, considering that the PK job is being handled by a Fr. leads me to believe that that will be an ongoing competition throughout the season.

Yes, I heard that the D became a nucleus and played well, because I was a bit worried after their scrimmage but it sounded like they worked all the bugs out over the last week of camp.

Thanks plaidfanatic.........I heard through the grapevine that the Rochester players were calling my brother some choice names about his long hair and ponytail.  And if I know my bro, that's all he needs is a little incentive.  My dad told me that he smacked the QB a good one on a hurry shortly after some name calling. 

I wish I could have been there, but oh well, I'll be there for GCC this Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2007, 12:19:25 PM
Last year CMU hit about 75% on PATs.  A JR kicked off v Roch and most were under 50 yards.

CWRU has a FR PK and Whalen did the punting, although nearly all were from inside the 50 so that might have been for pooch punts and to raise the possibility of a fake.  Two punts were downed inside the 5.    A FR attempted the last punt and it was a bad snap that resulted in a safety.  Looks like Calderone will concentrate on D this year.  Not sure of the wisdom of exposing Whalen to injury.

CWRU's O was balanced at about 200 yds each rushing and passing.

WUStL's QB had a good game 40-27-1-2tds 276 yds.  So we can't count them out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 03, 2007, 06:47:45 PM
Hopefully the kicking situation will work itself out this week.

CMU has to focus on Grove City, as well as work out a few more items this week, as Sept 15 is a big game against Hobart.  This will be a big measuring stick for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 03, 2007, 07:59:24 PM
I agree with TartanFann......if CMU can concentrate on the next two weeks and pull out W's it will springboard their momentum towards another playoff run.  It didn't sound like they had too many things to shore up.  Hobart should be a real test but I think there is enough experience on this team to focus and get the job done.

cwru70, let's not forget that the NCAA moved the kickoff back to the 30.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2007, 09:51:04 PM
I thought the stats software would have been revised to reflect that  change (as they were for the CWRU-Oberlin game), but I went back and checked and the CMU-UR stats were computed as if the kick were from the 35.

Grove City played Dickinson (CC champ-managed 21 pts v Wesley) pretty evenly.  They seem improved over the team CMU played early last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 04, 2007, 09:44:44 AM
Yeah, well CMU's site isn't as expanded as last year's.  It got a facelift, but there are no photos and I don't know if there will be in the future.  I believe the father of a player who graduated last year took a good amount of photos.

I am sure GCC is improved.  I think they had a relatively young team last year.  In fact, my brother played on the same team as one of their RB's in our local All-Star game a couple years ago.  Last year's score was 28-0 but it was a good ball game where CMU got a break out of the gate when GCC jumped a play action.  Then later on CMU had a huge goal line stand.  So I think it will be a good game, but I think being at Gesling is going to give CMU an edge.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on September 04, 2007, 03:29:58 PM
I'm going to make sure I keep a sharp eye on CMU this season, see how far they can go.

Not sure why the UAA doesn't get any love around here, it's a fun conference.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 04, 2007, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: Wizardman on September 04, 2007, 03:29:58 PM
I'm going to make sure I keep a sharp eye on CMU this season, see how far they can go.

Not sure why the UAA doesn't get any love around here, it's a fun conference.

If there were more members, I think the conference would be looked at differently.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 09:33:17 PM
It would certainly have more fans to draw from. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 05, 2007, 11:15:31 AM
I believe we discussed some of that last year.  Rochester still competes in the UAA, just not in football.  NYU, Emory, and Brandeis also compete in UAA sports but either don't have a football team or don't participate.  I believe somebody brought up the fact that all of the schools in the UAA are Universities geared towards research.  That may or may not be a sticking point for any schools wanting to join.  I think the UAA did a good job with the NCAC scheduling agreement.  Although it won't bring an AQ or even go as far as to strengthen the schedule a whole heap,  it does bring some stability because the four teams in the UAA who do participate in football have had some pretty different schedules if you look at the last couple years.  In the past they have all scheduled different opponents from different regions.  I only think that playing similar teams from a similar conference will make UAA play tougher and more competitive.  I said last year that maybe an NCAC school may want to join the UAA, although few thought that would happen, you never know what may come from this agreement.  Especially if CMU and WUStL stay on the rise and CWRU comes around like the rumblings we've been talking about on here.  Maybe in the future the UAA will get an AQ........maybe not.

Wing-T on Wing-T this weekend at Gesling.  I believe MacLeod would be sitting there with a smile on his face ready for some FB Whams and Rocket Sweeps.  I think it will be a good game, but its at Gesling and I suspect there will be a larger crowd there than in years' past regular season games so the boys are gonna have some support.  I say 27-14 CMU in another fine day for the running game.  I don't see them looking ahead to Hobart since its at home so the D will make some big plays.(I only say that because there are just too many seniors on the O side to get caught up looking ahead.  There are a few freshman and new guys getting some time on D that that may happen too.)  All in all, I hope its a hard fought game and everyone comes out healthy.  Good luck to the rest of the UAA this weekend as all of the teams are in action.

GO TARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Schwami on September 05, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
Good CMU read in today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07248/814651-134.stm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2007, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 09:33:17 PM
It would certainly have more fans to draw from. :)

I'd setle for getting some talk from WUStL and Chi!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2007, 10:18:59 PM
GCC runs a little different version of the wing-t than CMU.  They threw 45 passes last week!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 05, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
Yeah, I kind of got that feeling tonight after speaking with my brother.  I took it as if the D didn't have the greatest practice today because some things were changed up just for GCC.  That's how I understood it.  So hopefully they pull it together for Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 06, 2007, 05:53:35 PM
GCC was 35 carries for 62 yards in the run dept, which may have dictated the extra throwing of the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 07, 2007, 01:27:26 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on September 05, 2007, 11:15:31 AM
Wing-T on Wing-T this weekend at Gesling.  I believe MacLeod would be sitting there with a smile on his face ready for some FB Whams and Rocket Sweeps.  I think it will be a good game, but its at Gesling and I suspect there will be a larger crowd there than in years' past regular season games so the boys are gonna have some support.  I say 27-14 CMU in another fine day for the running game.

GO TARTANS!

It's true, Macleod has tried to pilfer every playbook from the WPIAL, OWU, Delaware, Olivet and CMU....

Was until now unfamiliar with GCC's, but for some reason remember a guy by the name of Bowers....  didn't he play some professional baseball ala Chris Weinke?

For some reason keep confusing Thiel with GCC, must be residual enmity with the Allegheny infused staff there and being pro all things offense Erdelyi.

Like Erdelyi's discussion on running 80 series from tackles over and end over.  Also speaks to twenty series from this tackles over unbalanced approach.  Have been trying to divine a thirty series A formation guards over as an alternative node.....

Only eleven men on the field, it's all been done before, just keep reinventing the wheel.

If the kilts are actually tartans and not plaids, what tartan do the Tartans don?

signed,
Rusty and Dusty
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 07, 2007, 02:39:28 AM
Haha, I have no clue on that one.  But if you want Erdelyi's playbook check the link posted by Schwami.....Erd is putting out a book supposedly.  It sounded like it is basically his playbook because there is a quote in the article where he says "I don't care, you still have to stop it."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 07, 2007, 02:51:23 AM
Saw that book spot in the article.  Not much on football literature that doesn't involve algorithms.  Prefer to let the spatial reasoning ebb and flow.  Speak fluent wing t so its black letter when it comes down to translation.  Am a thrifty Scot, but would be tempted to drop a dime on Erdelyi's book.

Am more a proponent of the double dive and whips in the screen game than the Canadian slide stuff, as I'm not a rocket man.  Just get funky with the weak belly counter.

Am actually more enamored by the vertical passing game off the Canuck bounce and lead back saviness in the attendant belly xb.

If were to employ motion sweeps would go jet and scissor the backfield, hence the 30 series A stuff from unbalanced.

signed,
Thumbtack
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 07, 2007, 11:55:34 AM
Comeback story
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2007-08/pr09_04_07.htm

May have been a jinx though as he came out of last game after getting his foot/ankle stepped on.

Nick Spring may be inheriting his hard luck as he had a season-ending injury (Knee, I believe) in game 2 last year and underwent off-season shoulder surgery.

All four teams in action this week.  I smell a sweep!!!  Although it appears neither of Chicago's top two rushers appear to have returned for this year.

MacLeod here's CMU's tartan

http://www.cmu.edu/identity/id_colorplaid2.html

CWRU's leading receivers this year wear 2, 4, and 83 as last year.  But two of the faces are new.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 08, 2007, 10:38:47 AM
Good Luck CMU!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2007, 08:24:24 PM
CWRU is up 24-0 at the half.  The sweep seems secure.

45-6 CWRU  Zagorski did play, left the game went to hospital for x-rays during lightning extended halftime and came back in the second half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 09, 2007, 01:22:41 AM
CMU 16  GCC 6.........very hard fought game.  GCC gameplanned very well.  CMU's defense pretty much made it possible to get the win.  Other than a perfectly time screen pass when CMU blitzed, GCC really didn't do much.  It was like a 60 or 70 yard screen play that set up a 2 yd. TD run for them.  Other than that the D held tough and finally the O broke through and started getting a push. 

Good win, gotta get ready for Hobart........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2007, 09:15:38 AM
Guess Chicago didn't need any experience at RB as a FR Thomas Parks (not even listed on 2 deep) rushed for 129 yds.  And as a team they rushed for 308.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 09, 2007, 09:17:20 AM
cwru70,

Are we really good, or are we simply playing "wuss" competition?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2007, 09:44:02 AM
We are better.  But the bottom of the NCAC is weak.  It's the depth that has been most impressive.  Eight different offensive players have TDs and four players contributed almost equally to the 200 yds rushing v Denison.  That and the 7-1 turnover margin (four fumbles, but none lost).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 09, 2007, 07:13:41 PM
I must admit that the CMU defense has been quite a surprise.  GCC's qb was pretty mobile and they got to him 7 times, with my brother and the other end Hauffe accounting for 5.5 of those sacks.  I know it was a humid and muggy day at Gesling yesterday but the offense is going to have to do a better job because the D may be a surprise but you can't expect them to do what they did week in and week out.  I think CMU's first four possessions were 3 and out and the D kept getting the ball right back for them.  I'm not worried about it though.  I can tell from speaking to a couple of the offensive guys that they've got pride and that won't happen again.

That is why I am glad CMU got rid of Hiram this year.  Bethany is a weaker team but its at the end of the season after they added some decent competition at the front of the schedule. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 09, 2007, 10:15:41 PM
Big test for CMU this week.

O-line must get angry!  2 first downs in first half is not gonna cut it this week.

Hobart had a ton of yards last week, but too many turnovers.

First game on grass for CMU, for what thats worth.  ( I think it slows down teams used to turf).

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on September 10, 2007, 11:33:42 AM
I have to agree with everything said about last week's CMU vs GCC game but i for one am very interested in seeing what GCC does the rest of the season.  They held Dickinson (a playoff team) to 17 points.  that same team went on to play Hobart and score 30 pts. in that game.  They also did a great job holding CMU in check.  All of which says that CMU Hobart should be a very interesting matchup and Grove City may hold some surprises for others on their schedule.  It is definitely not the same team we have played the last couple of years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCC_alum62 on September 10, 2007, 03:20:30 PM
Congrats to the UAA members for being undefeated right now in DIII action!  Impressive, although some tough games are ahead especially UofC and WashU against some CCIW teams.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2007, 10:39:30 PM
Definite challenges for three UAA teams this Sat.  WUStL hosts #10 Wheaton while CMU and Chicago face teams getting votes in Hobart and Elmhurst respectively. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2007, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 10, 2007, 10:39:30 PM
Definite challenges for three UAA teams this Sat.  WUStL hosts #10 Wheaton while CMU and Chicago face teams getting votes in Hobart and Elmhurst respectively. 

And don't forget that CWRU has to face Kenyon, who rang up 70 on Grinnell!

Um, wait, that was Grinnell.  Um, never mind.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 11, 2007, 08:18:06 AM
Sounds like this weekends' games, other than CWRU's, will sort of be a measuring stick for the bulk of the UAA.  I think if the UAA ends up 2-1 in those benchmark games this weekend that it would be a sign of overall improvement in the UAA.

To be quite honest, I think turf is a little easier on the players.  They may look slower, but think of all the injuries the turf has already caused for  the Tartans.  Nothing too major, but some of these guys who have been playing for four years on that turf are taking some beatings on their legs.  I'll say it like this.....my brother never played on turf before college and his freshman year he said his legs burned for a week because running on that turf felt like running through sand.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 11, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Any WashU fans want to give their perspective on what to look for (strengths, key players to watch, etc...) regarding the Washington U. vs. Wheaton game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 12, 2007, 08:55:27 AM
Hate to disappoint you Mugsy but WUStL and Chicago fans are pretty scarce around here for some reason.  Its mostly CMU and CWRU folks that do most of the chatting.

Was cruising through the Liberty League boards to see if I could find out anything on Hobart.......I found out that everybody over there talks in the third person, they talk more about fantasy football than d3 football, and the Hobart fans seem to think Hobart will beat CMU even though they lost a close one to Dickinson, who played GCC closer than CMU did.  Granted, Hobart is getting CMU on the road, but I think last week's struggles against GCC will only motivate CMU to play much harder.  Not to mention the fact that this weekend seems to be heading in the direction of actual football weather with things cooling down a bit.  I expect a good game.  If CMU does their job I see them winning a tight one by a TD.  We also can't overlook the fact that GCC and CMU almost always play each other tough no matter what kind of team either school has on the field.  Before this year, 4 out of the last 6 games between the schools were decided by four points or less. 

I will have to miss another game this weekend because of work, but since my birthday is next Monday hopefully my bro and the Tartans will deliver an early B-Day present.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 10:41:55 AM
They would talk football if you were to talk to them, in my experience.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 11:06:27 AM
I thought cwru70 would jump on this and post it but apparently not.

http://www.d3football.com/aroundtheregion/greatlakes/2007/Case%27s+Cowdrick+is+comeback+kid
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 12, 2007, 12:07:52 PM
Thanks Pat, I'll take note of that.  I read the story you are referring to earlier this morning.  Pretty crazy story if you ask me.  I've done masonry work on scaffolding and have witnessed guys take some heavy falls, but four stories is pretty steep....and landing on pavement to boot!  To have doctors tell you that you will never play football again and make a comeback to emerge as a young leader for the Spartans is amazing.  It just speaks volumes for the strength and spirit of mankind.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2007, 07:02:44 PM
Since Cowdrick was on page one I didn't think I needed to mention it.  I did a double take when the page came up, thought it looked like a Spartan, then found out it was!

Besides I reported on his fall and rise last year.  See page 12, reply #166.

CWRU's JVs beat BW 30-24, the week before BW beat COW 20-14.  Doesn't mean a whole lot, but to my knowledge they have never beaten the Jackets' JV. 

Here's an updated link for the story I posted in the Signifigant Injuries Thread on the Gen FB board last year.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2006-07/pr10_05_06.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 14, 2007, 07:46:44 AM
Good Luck Tartans on Sat.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2007, 05:36:46 PM
I'll be following the Tartans and Bears by Livestats while listening to the Spartans.  Then maybe listen to Chicago later.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 15, 2007, 08:25:41 AM
If I'm awake I'm going to try to follow the games today.  If not, I'll find out when I wake up.  Seriously though, good luck to all of the UAA today.  I say every team keeps right on rolling until conference play.  Won't that set up some bigger games towards the end of the year.  I know CMU can do it.  Hopefully that little scare with GCC put their minds right and they go out and do work today.  CMU has no home stretches on the schedule(A,H,A,H,A,H,A,H,A,H) so they are going to have to live and die on the road this year.  That's good though, it will toughen them up in case they run the table again or do well enough to get into the playoffs.  Hobart seems like it will be CMU's toughest test since the Wesley game in the playoffs last year.  I believe Hobart has made the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years so they are going to be a great measuring stick for CMU.  Good Luck Tartans!!  I know you guys can do it......go give 'em hell!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 15, 2007, 03:51:59 PM
Tough loss for the Tartans.

Second guesing the pass for the PAT or was that an option play?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 15, 2007, 04:04:14 PM
Another romp for Case, 49-26.

Next week, we get our first really big test.

I'd sure like to see us get the Baird Trophy back for the first time in years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 16, 2007, 11:13:16 AM
cwru70, The pass at the end, while out of character for our offense, was open.  The young man dropped it, it happens.

Time to regroup for Allegeny.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 17, 2007, 09:28:24 AM
Not to mention the fact that a missed XP came back to haunt the Tartans.  They would have been kicking for the win in that situation, not the tie.  Yes, the young man dropped the ball and that happens, BUT that young man was a Sr. who should have made that play.  Although I am a bit disappointed in the Tartans, I realize that that is just life.  Ups and downs all around.  Gotta keep getting back up.  Let's see them bounce back and start another winning streak going into the UAA schedule.

Hey cwru70, did Romeo Crennel make the trip across town to study the Spartans' offense? ;D  The Browns put up some amazing numbers that weren't even seen at the old stadium that often.  If only they could do something similar to that on a consistant basis they would be a .500 team or better.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 17, 2007, 08:30:09 PM
Brings to mind the philosophy of all the bad results that can come from passing.  Sivek was 6-7 in getting the first in short yardage including two TD's.

The kicking game concerned me from week one as you will recall. This was the scenario that I wondered about.  A FG won the WUStL game last year.  I agree with going for two Saturday.

Gotta be Hobart fans the rest of the way.  If they win out it should boost CMU's stock.

Meanwhile the Bungles and the Clowns both seem to have studied the Kenyon D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 17, 2007, 10:38:56 PM
Haha, I don't know about the Browns, you gotta expect ANY team in the league to struggle with Carson Palmer running a no-huddle offense all game with those kind of receivers........I'm happy for Leigh Bodden...he jumped that route after he got beat on the same route the previous series on 4th and 10.

A number of concerns have come into my mind over the last two games CMU has played.  I think the scariest thing about the Hobart loss is the fact that the Tartan D couldn't seem to close the door.  My dad said Hobart converted many, many clutch 3rd down situations.  3rd and short, 3rd and medium, and 3rd and long......it didn't matter, CMU couldn't get it done in the end.  I don't agree with the call at the end, but Erdelyi gets paid to coach, not me.  I believe the old saying is that you play to win at home and you play to extend the game on the road.  My bro played well so I am happy about something at least.  Moving on to Allegheny...........GO TARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2007, 06:38:59 PM
Given the kicking problems, I think going for two was the right choice, just question the pass instead of giving it to Sivek.

BTW CWRU garnered 5 votes in the AFCA Poll, CMU (and Hobart) got 12.  Probably the first time that we've gotten votes in that poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 19, 2007, 09:15:55 AM
I don't know.  Maybe I would question the QB on throwing it to that guy......he had a couple drops last year that should have been caught.  But if he is the one open you gotta trust your teammate.  Like I said, from talking to my dad I kind of got the idea that there were a number of things that contributed to the loss.  I'm not exactly sure what to hope for now, considering that rooting for Hobart would mean rooting for a team that still has to beat some pretty tough competition......I guess I should root for everybody on CMU's schedule.  At this point, I just want my bro and the team to do well and leave everything else up to the football gods.  Who knows anything about Allegheny?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 19, 2007, 07:26:49 PM
Gators scored 17 in Q1 and 3 in Q2, 0 in H2 v Hiram winning only 20-7.  And it doesn't appear to be because they had the backups in.

In the NCAC pickem' CMU is favored by 13.5.  CMU has 10 picks, AC 9.

Meanwhile, CWRU and COW are rated even.  CWRU has 14 picks, COW 5.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 20, 2007, 12:31:26 AM
I saw the score of that game, but I wasn't sure if it was because Hiram is improving little by little since the last time I saw them or Allegheny is at the bottom of the NCAC or if it was just one of those games......I didn't know what to think.  I saw Hiram the last two years CMU played them and granted CMU got a couple easy wins, Hiram still played tough, physical football.  I just didn't think they had the talent level as some of the other schools I had seen CMU play.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2007, 07:05:44 AM
Gang,

This may be off the subject, but Case's Men's Soccer Team is now 6-0 after beating Oberlin last night, and is ranked in the Top Five nationally!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2007, 08:00:40 AM
And both M & W X-C are ranked.  And W Soccer has 5 wins already matching last season's total.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 20, 2007, 08:37:32 AM
Wow, sounds like you guys are turning your whole athletics around.......or is some of that due to the scheduling?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2007, 02:06:51 PM
BDTartan,

It's part of that whole "athletic renaissance" I've been telling you about.

The renaissance was brought about by two things:

1) a significant upgrade in the quality of our campus' athletic facilities

AND.........

2) unprecedented back to back to back whopper sized freshmen classes (well, by Case standards anyway) that have greatly increased the available pool of potential student-athletes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 02:10:15 PM
MajorSpartan -- you mean that Case only recruits athletes from its existing student body, like high schools do?

I would assume that student-athletes are recruited specifically to come to Case. That's the way most intercollegiate programs work. The impact of walk-ons, especially in the fall, is usually minimal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Pat,

At a school known for 1) the nerdiness of its students, and that 2) doesn't offer any athletic scholarships, athletes are often little different from the rest of the student body.  That's how athletics is at Case.

Case is nothing like schools that offer athletic scholarships, where a certain sub-class of students is admitted primarily due to their athletic prowess, and moreover, where such students are typically admitted under lower admission standards than the rest of the student body.

I'm sure that some recruiting does on, but Case is one school where athletes are definitely NOT admitted at a lower standard.  Back when I was applying (I entered Case in 1990), I got called by the football coach simply because I had put down on my application that I had played high school football.  As it turns out, I didn't play in college.  I'd bet that that's almost the extent of athletic "recruiting" at Case.

As a practical matter, student-athletes at Case are drawn from amongst the ranks of the regularly admitted student body.  Naturally, nearly all of them have played high school football, and a few may have received offers to play for somebody.  But if they picked Case, it means that they turned down any chance to get paid to play, and decided to be a regular student that simply plays football as an extra-curricular activity.

Case's unusually large freshmen classes in recent years have resulted in Case having some unusually large freshmen classes of football players.

This year, for example, Case had 51 freshmen come out for football, an all-time record.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 03:54:09 PM
I don't think you and I are talking about the same things.

What you are suggesting is that the entire student body is unrecruited, and when preseason comes, they hang signs up in the dorms for all comers. Nobody is contacted by a coach and encouraged to come to Case and be part of an athletic team. That's what you are saying when you say the size of the freshman class determines what the teams can be drawn from.

I call bull**** on this. Size of freshman class is not a predetermining factor for athletic success.

If so, how in the world could your fall teams practice before school starts? Are there NO freshmen on your fall teams? How did your vaunted 51 freshmen get to school two weeks before it opened if they weren't recruited to do so?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 20, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
At a school known for 1) the nerdiness of its students, and that 2) doesn't offer any athletic scholarships, athletes are often little different from the rest of the student body.  That's how athletics is at Case.

And many other schools. I guess you think Case is the only school like this?

Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 20, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Case is nothing like schools that offer athletic scholarships, where a certain sub-class of students is admitted primarily due to their athletic prowess,

Nor is any other Division III school. You realize this is a Division III site, for Division III fans, right? Why are you lecturing us about Division I?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 20, 2007, 03:58:55 PM
The spectrum in DIII football is Recruiting-Lite at one end and Bavarian Recruiting at the other with gradations in between.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2007, 04:23:20 PM
Pat Coleman,

I wasn't lecturing you about Division I.  I was merely pointing out the reason why I think Case is having unprecedented athletic success:

three straight unusually large freshmen classes!!!!

That translates into more potential athletes, and increases the probability that Case will be able to field better athletic programs (which, as you can see, is exactly what Case has been doing over the last couple of years).

I noticed very little real athletic recruiting going on at Case when I was there.  I suppose it's possible that there's more going on now, but I doubt it, given Case's nerdy reputation and its lack of athletic tradition.  I'm more inclined to credit an increase in the size of out student body for our sudden athletic improvement than an improvement in athletic recruiting.

Now then, I realize that no Division III school offers athletic scholarships.  Case is no better or worse in that regard.

But I'd bet that few other Division III schools have had as marked an increase in the size of the undergraduate student population as Case has had in the last three years, and moreover, I'd bet that most Division III schools probably recruit a lot more actively than Case does, and have a less nerdy reputation.  That makes it hard to conclude that any factor other than an increase in the potential number of student athletes is the reason for Case's unprecedented athletic success in recent years.

To answer your question from before, yes.  I've seen HIGH SCHOOLS here in Texas that put more effort into succeeding athletically than Case did as a university.  It's simply the school's tradition and philosophy.  I doubt that that has changed in recent years.

The only difference is that now, with a larger student body, there's a greater probability of each athletic coach finding regular students that might be able to help them athletically.  The amount of athletic recruiting, which was nearly non-existent in my time, has probably not increases significantly, and probably cannot be considered a factor.

Is that so hard to understand?  Why are you making this an issue?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
Pat,

I'd be willing to bet that the reason that most of those 51 freshmen got into summer practice 2 weeks before school started is because the coach contacted them AFTER they had already been admitted; just as the coach had done with me when I was in high school, and invited them to come out for the team.  Most of them were probably NOT recruited and NOT admitted primarily to play football.  They were recruited primarily from the ranks of the admitted student body.  If it were any other way, then believe me, the faculty there would be up in arms.

That's the way athletic "recruiting" worked at Case back in my time.  I doubt that it has changed much, although I could be wrong.

Nobody I knew at Case back in the early 90s was recruited to go there and play football.  They got accepted, and after being accepted, were contacted later that Spring by athletic coaches (who saw that they had played high school football on their applications), and asked them to come out for the team.  Now then, Case's admissions office considers extra-curricular activities like athletics when admitting students, so I'm sure that being a top-notch athletic didn't hurt anybody's chances of being admitted.  It undoubtedly helped some people with otherwise average academic marks.  But no one at that school gets admitted primarily because of their athletic prowess.

Now then given that our undergrad student population has increased from under 3000 back in the late 80s to over 4,200 today; much of that in the last three years, a greater number of potential athletes has arrived for the coaches to contact and invite to come out.

It's hardly any wonder then, that the # of players in our football program has nearly doubled in the last few years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 20, 2007, 05:42:13 PM
Isn't the new athletic facility on 115th Street a significant factor?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2007, 07:54:53 PM
Frank  I believe that that was the first factor cited by Maj.

Pat the point I would make about the increased freshmen classes is it indicates increased interest in attending CWRU both for those interested in competing in athletics and those interested in competing in building robotic vehicles.

http://blog.case.edu/case-news/2007/08/09/dexterwins

On the down side, there is an ironic juxtaposion over controversy about retention of a tennis coach with an inflated resume (leading to almost all of both teams no longer competing) and the non-renewal of a long-time well-liked track coach (this recommendation apparently came from the previous administration and the current administration kept him for another year before implementing the recommendation.)  They appear to have made a good hire there however with a coach with a background from Emory.  W Hoops has hired Allegheny's successful coach.  Baseball suffered last spring with a new coach who had limited time to recruit, but he comes from the Wooster program which bodes well for the future.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 08:35:29 PM
MajorSpartan, simply put, that's just not the way it goes in college except at the very bottommost schools. Sorry man -- you're making an assumption that is false.

I see yearly numbers of full-time undergraduate enrollment (aka, those eligible to play intercollegiate athletics). The 3,256 FTUGs from last year are indeed a whole 100 more than the previous year.

Unless those 100 all played sports -- and that would be very much unlike the Case you try to portray -- there simply can't be that big an impact.

Frank Uible hit the nail on the head: It's far more likely to be the facilities, first. But it's also coaches doing a better job of going out and recruiting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 20, 2007, 09:02:40 PM
Look, the only real input I can give you is this......CWRU is not the only "nerdy" school.  CMU, for example, takes the same rap when recruiting.  I know for a fact the Lackner didn't come to our area to recruit my brother.  I also know for a fact that there was only one high school football player in our area who was interested in playing football for CMU, even though they have had a winning tradition there for the last 3 decades.  Here's the bottom line......Lackner went and talked to that kid at his high school.  When finished, he asked this kid if there was anybody else in our area that he thought he should talk to.  This kid then told Lackner about my brother.  And that is how my bro ended up at CMU.  The original kid Lackner talked to ended up in the military as far as I know.  So, I am going to guess that the majority of recruiting trips in DIII are similar to this exact situation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 09:08:45 PM
Ahh, but that's still a recruiting trip, isn't it? :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2007, 09:26:59 PM
BDTartan, while generalizing from ONE recruiting trip to "the majority of recruiting trips in DIII are similar to this exact situation" is obviously foolish, you may well be correct.  But I dare say that recruiters at every other level ask the same question!  (Just that at DI the legitimate targets are generally already well-known.  In DIII potential legitimate targets are much less known - if they have gotten widespread press, they will probably be unavailable since you can't offer a scholarship!)

MajorSpartan, just because YOU weren't recruited doesn't mean recruiting didn't occur! ;D  (Sorry, couldn't resist! ;) :-[)  I dare say that the number of d3 programs that don't specifically recruit their main players (in MOST sports) who are within sniffing distance of the top 25 (make that 100!) is vanishingly small.  Unlike some (many?) scholarship programs, they ARE still legitimate students (most(?) d3 schools allow few if any admissions exceptions for athletes), but most WERE recruited.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2007, 10:31:12 PM
Mr Y - I'm sure you are familiar with occasions at all levels of one player being discovered while another is being recruited.

Pat - As I recall the enrollment figures you use are a federaly sanctioned one whose designation escapes me at the moment.  But here are CWRU's own figures of undergrad enrollment 2002-2007.  It's an apples to apples comparison.

3682  3832  3737  4186  4305 4398

Common Data Set now as I recall is the source you use.  That source lists 3714 FTUs for 2005 and 3849 FTUs for 2006.  2007 not yet reported, but CWRU has reported an incoming class second only to 2005s
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 11:31:08 PM
So is my apples to apples comparison, which is actual full-timers reported to the U.S. Department of Education. Common Data Sets were too hard to find.

Dunno why they give the government different numbers, but we've been using those numbers for a couple years now, so it's definitely apples to apples.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2007, 11:54:53 PM
What were the USDE figures for 2004 and 2005?  The big freshmen classes as I understand were in 2005 and now in 2007.  Do the USDE figures give freshman enrollment as well as total?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 12:24:47 AM
They don't have archival information around. They did list 3157 in 2004-05 and 3256 in 2005-06, if that helps.

I will update to 3256 when I get a moment.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MCDT07 on September 21, 2007, 01:14:21 AM
why is this an argument...schools such as Case, CMU, Chicago, Washington, etc won't recruit you if your not a good student the same as a Div I school will not recruit you if your not a div I level player.  With this being said, no college coach is simply going to leave his team to the whim of the random people that come into the classes.  If that where the case the schools mentioned before wouldn't even have teams, because only 20 people would come out.  It would make sense that the coaches of these schools only recruit the athletes that are BOTH good enough students to be accepted to the school AND good enough football players to be on a college team.  Now the coaches can't make all of these finds, so I would assume that they're primarily going to recruit the people that send them videos or contact them or they see at a camp etc.  And if that doesn't happen, they by word of mouth... as we have seen can happen.  Remember, these aren't the blue chippers, so they have to make contact w/ a college coach or have a local coach recommend them for interest to be spurred.  Now, given that I'm sure recruiting is harder for schools such as Case, CMU, WashU, Chicago and the classes of freshmen recruits coming may be smaller than other schools, it wouldn't hurt to call up an already accepted student who played football in hs (Major) and tell them that they could come try out for the team.  If the reputation for the notorious nerdyness in Case, CMU, Chicago and WashU is true, if the football teams would composed of only walk-ons from these nerdy schools, the 4 above mentioned teams would round out the bottom 5 NCAA Div III schools nicely.  As it is, all of your programs have respected histories, so I doubt thats the case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2007, 09:50:29 AM
Not to beat a dead horse [of course if I'm saying that I probably am]

Fall 2004 5493 applications  784 enrolled
      2005 7181                      1162
      2006 7508                      1015
Years before 2004 were even lower.  A very significant spike in 2005 and the level has been maintained.

I'm sure federal  regs of who and when you count explain the different numbers. 

WashU and CMU have consistently had recruiting classes in the 40 range.  CWRU has acheived that level the last two years.  Chicago last few years has been closer to 30.  It's Oberlin, Kenyon, and Denison (smaller schools) whose classes have lagged behind.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 10:03:23 AM
I'm not disputing that CWRU has more students. I'm saying that is not the direct correlation that MajorSpartan wants us to think it is.

Plenty of schools have gotten larger without an appreciable increase in athletic acumen. College is not like high school.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 21, 2007, 10:05:57 AM
Pat,

Trust me.  Case has had a HUGE increase in enrollment over the last three years.

I don't know where you got your stats from, but cwru70's #s are correct, and yours are just FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!!!

>:(

Now then.  To give you an idea of just how much athletics at Case used to be like a high school, consider this.  Many sports teams at Case back in my time picked their teams by open tryouts.  That included men's soccer and tennis.  How do I know?  Because some of my fraternity brothers tried out for those teams.  In some cases, they made the cut, in others, not.

But in NO case were they "recruited" to play those sports.  They were regularly admitted students that simply tried out and either made the team or didn't.

JUST LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL!!!!

The only difference is that NOW, there are a lot more undergrads, and as a result, more people available to invite to come out for the team/try out for the team.  With a greater available talent pool, you have a greater probability of finding good athletes.

THAT is the main reason our athletic teams have had unprecedented success in the last three years; together with our new athletic facilities.

I'm sorry.  But the numbers you posted are absolutely BOGUS.

Mine and cwru70s are correct.

Don't you think that he and I might..........just might........know a little bit more about our own alma mater..........than YOU????

???
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 21, 2007, 10:05:57 AM
Pat,

Trust me.  Case has had a HUGE increase in enrollment over the last three years.

I don't know where you got your stats from, but cwru70's #s are correct, and yours are just FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!!!

As I said, they came from the United States Department of Education. Case provides them to the government on an annual basis because they are required to.

I don't think you know more about Division III football than I do. Tennis and soccer may work differently back in the day, but this is not the way college FOOTBALL works.

If you want to talk soccer, go talk soccer on our soccer boards. Don't confuse the issue on football. Your 51 incoming freshmen for football were undoubtedly recruited. Otherwise, how did they show up for practice?

The number of TRUE walk-ons, culled from the student body at large, is very small in Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2007, 10:39:49 AM
On another note, Pat the Allegheny @ CMU game is at 7 not noon per CMU's site.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: #1Crusader on September 21, 2007, 10:42:28 AM
Hey, MajorSpartan, are you really trying to compare your frat boys in tennis and soccer to a football program? Spare us the nonsense. Maybe those coaches ran their programs like they were high school coaches but I think your soccer program is pretty good now. I don't have any idea when you went to school but perhaps the recruiting has changed rather than the enrollment.

Seriously. When I went to school there weren't signs hung up in the dorm for open tryouts. At most there might be one or two guys on our football team who walked in at Orientation to play football, and those guys were so hopelessly behind when the got to practice that they never amounted to anything.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 21, 2007, 10:39:49 AM
On another note, Pat the Allegheny @ CMU game is at 7 not noon per CMU's site.

Thanks. Unfortunately, schools often don't report game time changes to us. I can't go back every week and recheck 100 games to make sure they are still at the time the schools said they were at.  :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 21, 2007, 11:36:53 AM
PatColeman,

I wasn't comparing college tennis and soccer to college football.  I was merely pointing out that the athletic atmosphere at Case, contrary to what you might want to believe, is very much like a high school.  Open tryouts in sports are one example of that. 

Trust me. 

The football coaches at Case, back in my time, contacted every accepted student (including me) that indicated that they played high school football on their college application, and asked them if they wanted to come out for the team.

If the answer was "yes," then guess what?

They get to come out, and they get to report to school TWO WEEKS EARLY, to use your little figure of speech. 

The Case football players that got to report to school two weeks early don't get there via some high-powered football recruiting, as a general rule.  In most cases, they get to report two weeks early because the coach contacted them in the late Spring after admittance and asked them if they wanted to try and play football.

They may be put on the JV team, and they may never get to play, but they can still come out.  There was little in the way of organized football recruiting back in those days.  I somehow doubt that that has changed.

The reason we've had more athletic success (across the spectrum) in the last three years than ever before is because our freshmen classes the last three years have been unusually large, which, in general, gives the coaches a larger pool of former high school athletes to contact, (or to have try out, as applicable), and that in turn improves the coaches' chances of finding more and better players.

It's that simple.

So tell me.  Since you know more about Division III football than I do (something I'll concede), but apparently know much less about Case than I do (I won't concede anything there), how do YOU suppose that Case has had this multi-sport athletic renaissance in the last three years?  Have we suddenly had a radical change in philosophy and started an unprecedented major athletic recruiting program?

Do explain.

And you can forget that 3,200 number.  I don't care what the Department of Education is telling you.  That's about what Case had when I graduated, but according to the university's own website, their current undergraduate enrollment was up over 4,300 in 2006, and that was up from only 3,800 in 2003.  It may be even higher this year.

See below.

http://www.case.edu/president/cir/fafpdfs/enrollmentcomparison.pdf

You do the math.

If you have some link that says otherwise, fine.

But until you show me something, I'd say that we can take these numbers to the bank, and dismiss your claim.

Just because you know more about Division III athletics/football as a whole doesn't mean that you know more about Case or its own particular athletic atmosphere than I do, because you don't.

But you can believe whatever you wish.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 12:26:04 PM
Have you had a change? Many schools experience a renaissance around new facilities -- more so than around enrollment increases.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetail.asp

This is a dynamically generated form, so you'll have to do the search for Case yourself.  But it's in there.

General information      Unit ID: 201645
Case Western Reserve University    Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 3,256
10900 Euclid Ave    Men: 1,951
Cleveland    Women: 1,305

Athletic Department information
David Diles
Veale Center
10900 Euclid Avenue
CLEVELAND    Reporting Year: 7/1/2005-6/30/2006
Reporting Official: Edward M. Hundert
Title: President

Phone: 216-368-4450
Sanctioning Body: NCAA Division III (with football)

Athletics Participation
   Number of Participants as of the day of the first scheduled contest
Varsity Team   Men's Teams   Women's Teams
Baseball   23    
Basketball   12    13
Football   70    
Soccer   29    20
Softball       16
Swimming and Diving   27    25
Tennis   11    11
Track and Field, Indoor   57    28
Track and Field, Outdoor   39    22
Track and Field, X-Country   22    20
Volleyball       13
Wrestling   13    
Total Participants   303    168
Unduplicated Count of Participants   245    137

Operating Expenses I
   Men's Teams   Women's Teams   
Varsity Teams   Participants   Operating Expenses per Participant   By Team   Participants   Operating Expenses per Participant   By Team   Total Operating Expenses
Baseball   23    $2,675    $61,530                $61,530
Basketball   12    $5,446    $65,346    13    $3,973    $51,652    $116,998
Football   70    $1,065    $74,540                $74,540
Soccer   29    $1,527    $44,287    20    $1,538    $30,765    $75,052
Softball               16    $3,072    $49,155    $49,155
Swimming and Diving   27    $1,475    $39,817    25    $1,475    $36,867    $76,684
Tennis   11    $1,527    $16,794    11    $1,404    $15,442    $32,236
Track and Field, Indoor   57    $302    $17,240    28    $745    $20,867    $38,107
Track and Field, Outdoor   39    $302    $11,796    22    $745    $16,396    $28,192
Track and Field,X-Country   22    $520    $11,436    20    $520    $10,396    $21,832
Volleyball               13    $2,933    $38,128    $38,128
Wrestling   13    $2,371    $30,826                $30,826
Total Operating Expenses   303        $373,612    168        $269,668    $643,280

Participants and Operating Expenses  | Coaching Staff  | Revenues and Expenses  | Coaches' Salaries
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 12:32:14 PM
Your cited source doesn't say one thing about those being full-time students.

I do wish you'd read my posts fully before complaining about them.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2007, 11:31:08 PM
So is my apples to apples comparison, which is actual full-timers reported to the U.S. Department of Education.

Since part-time students are not eligible to participate in athletics, it's silly to base your argument on numbers that don't explicitly exclude them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 21, 2007, 12:53:29 PM
Somewhat off track, but as a graduate student don't six credits qualify as full time?

signed,
SF Dons
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 12:55:28 PM
Perhaps, but the number of grad students participating in athletics is not an overly large number. Neither is the number of students on the Matt Leinart Plan, taking a couple of classes in their final semester to graduate. (Mostly because those students tend to be in their fifth year.)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 21, 2007, 01:54:06 PM
Pat,

You may notice that I mentioned our new facilities as ONE factor.

But it's hardly the biggest one.  I doubt that a new stadium alone is going to make our cross-country and men's soccer (our two most highly rated programs) better, and in any event, with a capacity of only 2,400, it's smaller than most Division III venues.

It may have made a difference in football, but given that the stadiums at most top Division III programs are larger, it's unlikely to have made that much of a difference.

Our increase in enrollment is probably the biggest factor.

And consider this.

Even if that government website is correct, how do you know that that doesn't represent an INCREASE over the previous three years?

Could that still represent a significant increase?  (Hint: YES!!!!!)

Could that still be a major explanation for our current athletic renaissance?  (Hint: YES!!!)

Do you have ANYTHING that says that our enrollment has grown significantly over the last three years?  (Hint: NO!!!!)

Good.

I'm very sorry that you made this FULL-TIME thing an issue, because I'll have to prove you wrong............AGAIN!!!!

TAKE THIS!!!!!

http://www.case.edu/president/cir/fafpdfs/degseekingenrllbyclass.pdf

Notice the increase in FULL-TIME, ATHLETICALLY ELIGIBLE STUDENTS over the last THREE YEARS!!!!!

2004-2005: 3,243
2005-2006: 3,674
2006-2007: 3,849

So you see, your stats are still BOGUS.

Click on my link and then read 'em and weep!

We have about 600 more FULL-TIME, ATHLETICALLY ELIGIBLE undergrads than we had only a few years ago.

That translates into more potential athletes.  THAT is the main reason for our sudden athletic renaissance over the last few years.

Based on those numbers I stand by my assertion.

Sorry if the government is telling you something different. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 01:56:52 PM
Dude, I don't know why you have to shout. All I'm telling you is what Case is reporting to the government.

Seeing as this report is a requirement for schools whose students accept federally given financial aid, I like to use it. I'm sorry it doesn't meet your Case bias.

I said it was an increase. Again, please please read my posts before you complain about them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MCDT07 on September 21, 2007, 02:30:48 PM
Major....Please, this is such a bad argument.  There is no way the CURRENT improvement in athletics is due to the increased number of, as you said, NERDS at your school.  It has to be the new facilities.  Your going to get, on recruiting trips, more people to come to play for you if you show them a brand new sports facility coupled with a school of strong academic tradition.  There is no way your players are taken from the student body.  You may get an invitation to come and try out TWO WEEKS EARLY if you played in hs and were already accepted, but there is no way the team consists of just walk ons.  If that were the case in football, you would go 1-9 every year, because of the nerdiness of your school.  See my last post to see how recruiting works in D3, in particular, at UAA schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2007, 02:47:25 PM
Maj

For this discussion (and let's keep it discussion w/out shouting) the raw numbers aren't as important as the percentage increase in the same measure.

Could CWRU be inflating some numbers (or using the most favorable version) for pub?  Possibly.

Could lack of retention from year one to year two explain why the total number hasn't increased in proportion to the reported freshman enrollment figures?

I have no knowledge if players are contacted prior to applying or submitting a recruit form, but I doubt quality players just show up without being sold on the school and program by the coach(es).  I also suspect that there has been a change in philosophy re athletics, if only evidenced by improved facilities.  It would be interesting to see if the proportion of athletes to total enrollment has changed.  Using football alone, the number of players has increased in greater proportion to enrollment.

As I said though, I would cite the spike in applications and freshman enrollment to show that there is a substantial increase in interest in CWRU overall.  But I have read of an overall increase in applications at so-called second tier institutions as a result of happenings in the Ivies.  So one might inquire if other institutions similar to CWRU have experienced similar increases.

My suspicions is that the housing facilities at 115 are at least as important as the athletic facilities for any increase.

Bottom line, lets enloy it and first get that Wooster monkey off our backs!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCC_alum62 on September 21, 2007, 02:54:51 PM
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/

Football Homepage for CWRU

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/athleteform.htm

Athletic Recruit questionarie link for CWRU athletics.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCC_alum62 on September 21, 2007, 02:59:24 PM
Every school that has a football program "recruits" now the level to which they recruit differs.  Some are more passive than others.  But the bottom line is there is a recruiting process at CWRU.

Before you badmouth Pat for taking statistics from a Government Website submitted by the University President, please check CWRU's football page to at least see that they actually recruit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 21, 2007, 03:35:15 PM
NCC,

I realize that that a formal recruiting "process" does exist, but as a practical matter, that's not how most of Case's athletes join their teams.  Most of the Case's football players, and other athletes, are "recruited" by being asked by the coaches if they want to come out, after they're already admitted as regular students.  Most (naturally, there are exceptions) are not formally recruited prior to regular admissions with football in mind.  Hell, I got calls from the football and wrestling coaches after I was admitted, and if I had indicated interest, then guess what, I would have been given at least a chance to come out, although I probably would have been cut (in the case of wrestling), or put on the JV team/benched (in the case of football) due to lack of talent.

MCDT,

I wasn't saying our renaisssance was brought about by an increase in nerds.  It was brought about by an increase in POTENTIAL ATHLETES, caused by record enrollment.

Naturally, at a school as nerdy as Case, no one is recruited purely to play football, and most students are too nerdy to be good at any sports.

But when you have an increased student body, you're more likely to find those exceptional students that happen to be better than most Case students at sports.

It's that increase in students that has driven our athletic renaissance, together with our improved facilities.

Pat,

Sorry for shouting.  But what bugs me is how you said you were "calling bull***" on me, when everything I posted was completely FACTUAL, and not "bull****."

Case HAS had an increase in enrollment in the last three years (a significant one; more than 600).  Case DOES have more than 3,200 full-time undergrads.  Case DOES hold tryouts in every sport except football, and in football, everyone is welcome to come out.  Most football players are "recruited" by being asked to come out by the coaches after having been admitted as regular students, not primarily as football players, or even prior to their admission on a regular competitive basis.  That's a FACT, and in that regard, Case's programs, exactly as I posted, and exactly CONTRARY to what you claimed, are run more or less like high school programs.

Just like in high school, you get cut if you're not good enough for any sport except football, and in football, if you're not any good, you either get put on the JV team, or sat on the bench.

No "bull****" there.  Simply statements of fact.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 03:40:30 PM
I have an e-mail in my inbox which begs to differ. You may hear from someone on this point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 21, 2007, 03:53:32 PM
If that's true, then things have changed a great deal since the early 90s.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on September 21, 2007, 04:39:09 PM
Though a simplification, for the most part this is how football teams in the UAA, and most of Division III for that matter, are assembled:

1) The football staff begins to assemble lists of potential recruits for the program. This is done largely through national data bases that compile everything from height, weight, 40-times, post-season honors, etc, and, most importantly for the UAA, grade point averages and board scores. For the UAA, what that means in large part is that the schools are competing for the same players since academic standards of admission are so similar. Besides data bases, coaches network with local high school coaches associations to identify possible recruits as well as glean what they can from newspapers and word of mouth. Once potential recruits are identified, coaches do their best within budget limitations to either visit the players at their high schools or at home and bombard them with letters and phone calls from coaches, players, past players and alumni. Time limits are crucial since most schools, especially those in the UAA, must get potential players to apply by admission deadlines. After the Divison I teams have had their pick and the Divsion I-AA  and D-II teams have taken what they can, the D-III teams invite recruits to campus to try to sell them on coming to their school. This usually happens in February and March. Final decisions by recruits can last all the way up until practice starts in August, assuming they have been admitted to the school.

2) Some potential recruits actually contact the coach and show interest in attending the school and playing football. Coaches will try to research the player though they can not stop them from applying and coming out for the team. On occasion, a gem of a player might end up in the program by being the first to contact the coach, rather than vice versa, but not usually.

3) Some players, though very few, will show up on a "walk on" basis. Few of these players will have the potential to impact the program. If they were any good to start with, they would have been previously identified.

Fact is, the coaching staff has a very good handle on who is going to suit up at summer practice before the first practice ever takes place. There is intense competition for players and no program could be competitive without the above described recruiting process.

I suspect that the only impact that increased enrollment at Case may have had is to somewhat increase the pool of athletes that the coach can recruit to the program. He still is going to have to pound the pavement to get the best players he can to attend Case and play football.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotLass on September 21, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
As a Woo Scot, I was so hoping all the Case football players were yanked out of Chemistry lab to join the team. But, alas I looked at the Case 2007 Media guide and noticed this:

"This past summer, the Spartans
welcomed their largest recruiting class
(51) in school history"

This would imply that just like Woo, players had to meet admission criteria but the coaches had contacted and recruited them to play football well before summer camp started. Since it's been 15 years since the early 90's, I was glad to see that Case, just like the real world, has apparently changed.......... :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 22, 2007, 07:41:35 AM
Scot and UAA Follower,

I can tell you this much.

I wasn't on ANY national recruiting database when I was in high school football or wrestling.  I was too lousy at both sports to even be mentioned.

But guess what?

BOTH of those sports' coaches at Case called me at home after I had been admitted and asked me if I'd like to come out for the team.  They had seen that I played those sports on my application (they obviously had received that info from the admissions office), and decided to make me a "recruit," just as they undoubtedly did with every other admitted student that listed those sports on their applications.

I no doubt would have been cut from the wrestling team had I decided to go out for it, and probably would have been on the JV team and/or benched in football.  But nonetheless, if those coaches were talking to the likes of ME, then it's proof that they would more than likely talk to ANY admitted student in the hopes of building their teams.

And I know for a fact that in the early 90s, most teams at Case held open tryouts (though not football).  I personally knew people that tried out for sports there.

I knew lots of "walk ons" (if you can really call them that, because without athletic scholarships, pretty much everyone that plays sports at the DIII level would be considered a "walk on" by Division I standards) at Case; in nearly every sport.

As for Case's record recruiting classes in recent years, the explanation is simple (and it's one that I made earlier on this string).

Thanks to record freshman applications and larger than normal freshman classes in recent years, Case has a larger pool of potential athletes to be contacted than ever before, and as a consequence, Case has had larger than normal football recruiting classes.

That's what I've been saying from the beginning.  Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

I mean, things could have really changed over the last 15 years, (and believe me, a change like that at Case would have been RADICAL), but I seriously doubt it.

Hell, only 3-4 years ago, we had about HALF the number of players in the program that we do now.  In all likelihood, the unprecedented enrollment increases in the last 3-4 years have added to the potential talent pool.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotLass on September 22, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 22, 2007, 07:41:35 AM
As for Case's record recruiting classes in recent years, the explanation is simple (and it's one that I made earlier on this string).

Thanks to record freshman applications and larger than normal freshman classes in recent years, Case has a larger pool of potential athletes to be contacted than ever before, and as a consequence, Case has had larger than normal football recruiting classes.

That's what I've been saying from the beginning.  Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

I mean, things could have really changed over the last 15 years, (and believe me, a change like that at Case would have been RADICAL), but I seriously doubt it.

Hell, only 3-4 years ago, we had about HALF the number of players in the program that we do now.  In all likelihood, the unprecedented enrollment increases in the last 3-4 years have added to the potential talent pool.

It's not hard to understand your personal recollections of how things worked in the 90's. It's interesting and kind of fun.......BUT, we must let go of the past and open our minds to the truth of the 21st century.

The problem is that your theory that nothing much has changed except increased enrollment and therefore Case football has a larger pool of incoming students to contact about joining the football team just doesn't wash. Part of coaches jobs in 2007 is to spend significant time recruiting, all year long. Coaches at the D3 level aren't looking at the kids that are in national recruiting databases, those kids are for the most part headed to higher level programs. D3 coaches are out there at high school games, in contact with high school coaches, calling kids who are still undecided about what college they will attend. They are inviting potential recruits to games and using current players to give tours. In 2007, coaches expend as much if not more energy recruiting than they do putting together a game plan.

This process in 2007 explains why a school like Hiram which has had no change in their consistently small # of enrolled students (about 800) has had an increase in the # of football recruits......the coaches did a great job of recruiting kids to decide to come to Hiram.

So, I totally understand and appreciate your memories of the early 90's. Now you understand the process in 2007.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 22, 2007, 09:22:13 AM
Hey MajorSpartan, I'm going to rock the mic one time and let you in on a little secret.  Pat shoots straight from the hip and he generally has reliable information to back him up....I learned that lesson last year.  Pat isn't here to belittle you or make sport of anybody.  I am sure he just wanted to correct a gross misnomer you were putting out there.  I honestly believe YOUR story, but alas, that was 15 years ago.  15 years ago, nobody would have given a crap if the NCAA Division III National Championship was televised, but now, now its on ESPN and I know alot of people who tune in to see what DIII is all about.  You could say that DIII has stepped up its game a bit with the help of teams like Mount and the other big boys year in and year out.  Oh sure, maybe the coaches identify a couple students who got admitted, AFTER they have most likely gone back and checked into these potential student athletes.  I rather doubt that any coach at any level these days would just have an open tryout.  The fact that you relate SUCCESS to this is outrageous.  You think that all of these walk-ons and late-comers are the real reason for CWRU's recent success in their sports programs??  I find that laughable.  That would mean that all of the kids that the coaches recruited were a wasted effort by those coaches.  I mean honestly, you make it sound like CWRU doesn't have to get out there and recruit.

Mr. Ypsi........I chose my words wrong on that statement.  I was trying to convey that there are probably many similar situations for prospective student athletes and the majority of DIII schools based on the fact that unless your Mount in football or a powerhouse in any other sport, you're going to be at the bottom of the list of schools for these kids.  So, for the majority, I am going to assume that recruiting trips are similar to the one Lackner took to our area and discovered my brother.

My final words: I'm not going to run any numbers or any crap like that.  This argument is going nowehere in my eyes so I figured I would throw my two cents in and move on to wishing the Tartans good luck today at Gesling versus Allegheny.  GO TARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 09:39:06 AM
Maj

To further burst you bubble, here's an article from The Observer on recruiting.

http://observer.case.edu/Archives/Volume_39/Issue_21/Story_1556/

As you said the size of the football squad has nearly doubled, while enrollment, even using the most favorable stats, has only increased about 50%.  If football's increase were only due to more students, the team would only be expected to increase 50%.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2007, 09:39:47 AM
I thought Major Spartan had realized the error of his ways, but apparently not. So I'm going to share a line from an e-mail a Case insider sent me yesterday afternoon.

QuoteThe increase in athletic numbers and wins has come from our AD getting rid of coaches who would not recruit and replacing them with coaches who hustled and brought in both larger numbers and better talent.

Well, also this line.

QuoteI feel he is embarrassing our program and university and I wish to set him straight. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 10:04:02 AM
Well Diles has only been AD since April 2005, and there have been no changes in the full-time (there's that phrase again) football staff since then.  And one of the criticisms from the tennis team about their coach, who has been retained and given a vote of confidence by Diles, was her refusal to recruit.

But the Observer article pretty well should put this issue to bed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wizardman on September 22, 2007, 10:14:42 AM
Plus, if Maj's ideas on recruiting were true for every school in 2006 and 2007, I highly doubt Carnegie Mellon would've went 10-0.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on September 22, 2007, 11:11:59 AM
I can only speak from an experience of one but my son was heavily recruited by all the top nerdy schools including the Ivys.  it pretty much followed the pattern described above.  he was recruited in the summer and encouraged to apply.  once accepted, he was invited for a visit.  He ended up obviously at CMU but it was obvious from the questions asked early on by Lackner, he had a real good idea what candidates had to look like academically on paper to be accepted by his institution and it was those hs football players who he recruited.  When these coaches called they were interested in the same football stats D1 schools were but also as importantly SAT scores and GPA and how many AP classes was he taking.  For D3 coaches, they have to balance good athletics and good academics with no money to put on the table.  it makes their recruiting position very difficult.  And, all D3 schools are not equal.  The pool is smaller for a Case or CMU or MIT because it is harder to get in those schools than some of the other D3 school.  Makes you admire all the boys playing D3 even more when you remember they are doing it strictly for the love of the game.   It certainly would be easier for everyone of these boys just to take their classes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 11:16:44 AM
OK then, let's play football!!!

Go Spartans, Tartans, Bears, and Maroons!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2007, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 22, 2007, 10:04:02 AM
Well Diles has only been AD since April 2005, and there have been no changes in the full-time (there's that phrase again) football staff since then.  And one of the criticisms from the tennis team about their coach, who has been retained and given a vote of confidence by Diles, was her refusal to recruit.

But the Observer article pretty well should put this issue to bed.

My citation was not referring to football coaches.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 12:48:25 PM
I understand.  My comment was to suggest that football recruited even before the current AD.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on September 22, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
Apparently, Maj will not have his mind changed by anything we say. He experienced a call from a coach in the early '90s and has generalized that if that is how it was then, it must still be that way. But, my how the game has changed since then.

ScotLass, you have a pretty good handle on things except rest assured that national databases are not just for the D-I prospects of the world. High school football players and coaches are sent prospect cards by not only companies that compile these databases but also the athletic departments and college coaches themselves. A good high school coach will be diligent about completing these cards and returning them, not only for the blue chip prospects, but the D-II and D-III prospects on his team, too.

A D-III coach can't rely upon just those names he is able to locate on his own. These databases have become important resources in identifying potential recruits that fit the school's admission standards. He can then follow up by calling and/or mailing potential recruits directly with the info he has obtained from these databases.

Look at the roster of the four UAA schools that play football. These prestigious schools have a national roster. Though a majority of the players may come from the vicinity of the schools, do you really think that the coaches from those schools also went to see high school games in Michigan, Florida, Ohio, New York, and California? More likely, in most cases, the players were identified through prospect cards and data bases as described above.

Best of luck to all UAA teams today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on September 22, 2007, 02:22:45 PM
Good Luck today CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 05:53:39 PM
Chicago beat Macalester 21-13.  Last year Chicago won big.  Mac is better based on its showing in first two games.  Chicago's starting QB was injured last week and DNP.  A little used SR filled in well at the end last week, but struggled and was repalced by a FR.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 07:37:09 PM
Three turnovers for CWRU already.  10-3 Woo with Scots on CWRU 30 after fumbled KO.  End of 1  Arrgh

And the video stream isn't working.

10-10 and the video is now starting to work.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 08:24:18 PM
CWRU  13 COW 10  Half   Wooster has only 4 first downs.  If only the Spartans can continue hold on to the ball.

Stream is down again.   >:(

Where are those nerds when we need them? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 08:38:13 PM
Did the nerd crack get me -2k?  It was meant as a joke.

Stream is back, but video is more a succession of stills.

Look above for the context of nerds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 22, 2007, 10:02:45 PM
Any score update on Wooster/CWRU?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 10:05:05 PM
30-17 CWRU  Final  Fireworks and Fishfry!!!

All three Scot scores were set up by turnovers. 

Total Offense  CWRU 452  Wooster 173

One monkey down, two to go.
CMU loses to Allegheny  24-21 another tough loss.

WashU upsets #14 North Central  16-13.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2007, 10:30:14 PM
First 4-0 start since 1985.  First 4 game winning streak since 1998.  5 straight going back to last game of 2006.  Last 5 game streak was 1991.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 23, 2007, 01:03:31 AM
What a flippin' disaster at Gesling.  What looked to be a good game at half turned into a stinker.  The way CMU played, I expected them to come out of the 14-14 tie at half and pull away from the Gators, but the QB Facemeyer had five turnovers in the second half, putting the D in horrible situations.  To give the D credit, they only gave up 10 points off of those turnovers, which always seem to come right after the D makes a stand and the O gets the ball.  You can't be a starting QB at any level when you throw a pick and fumble four times in ONE HALF.......it may be high time to start looking for a new signal caller for the Tartans.  But hey, as I stated before, the coaches get paid to coach...I don't.  I don't know where CMU goes from here, but I'm sure that the bye week coming up should help out a bit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 23, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
cwru70,

We're looking good, and I'm very glad to see us get the Baird Trophy back.

We've dominated all four opponents this season.

The only thing is, I'd be willing to bet that none of our four victories so far this season have been against teams that will finish the season with winning records.  I mean, don't get me wrong; great teams win the games that they're supposed to win.  But until we beat a team with a winning record, how do we know if we're really a good team?

On another note, if we beat OWU later this season, should we not rightfully be declared NCAC champions?
cC
We'll be 5-0 against the NCAC at that point!

;)

Just kidding!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2007, 09:43:25 AM
BDT  That performance shocked me.  Wouldn't expect that with his experience.  Three of the fumbles looked to be on sacks so you gotta put a little of that on the O-line.  According to his coach CWRU's Whalen had an off-season program to reduce his fumblitis.  Academic Bowl will be interesting. I wouldn't want to be Randolph Macon as I'm sure the Tartan's will rebound in a big way.

Maj   Getting past that week 4 hurdle is huge. Even if this isn't Sutton's Wooster or even Shafer's (sp?).  How do the Spartans get up for a team that Denison beat 42-0?  If we had Allegheny on the sched we could at least have a shot at the original NCAC champ.  I still wish they were on the 08 and 09 sched and not Hiram.  OWU played Wabash tough, even though neither team had its #1 QB.

Huge win for WUStL, although time will tell if NCC was deserving of that ranking.  Still that is a bigger win than CWRU's.  They did it with D and pasing as they had no rushing offense.  Seems clear they have reloaded.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 23, 2007, 04:26:14 PM
cwru70, Facemeyer looked like Charlie Frye yesterday........those sacks shouldn't have caused fumbles, he saw them coming from a mile away.  Actually, two of those fumbles were unforced....one on an attempted handoff on a wrap and one when he was trying to throw on the run and the ball popped out when he was cocking back.  The pick was just a horrible throw to a wide open guy sitting down behind the LB's and in front of the safeties.  Facemeyer tried to throw a bullet and threw way high right into the hands of the safety who returned it 40 yards or so to set up Allegheny's go ahead score.  I'll say two of those five turnovers were legit if you look at it as a sack, but as I said, he looked like Charlie Frye back there.  He saw them coming, didn't get rid of, and then decided to drop the ball when he did get hit.  I don't know, the D had some busted plays that led to some of the Gator's scoring, but when its a 14 all tie at half and you put your D in that type of situation where they shut somebody down and then your O immediately gives the ball back you can't expect to win against the worst team in the country.  Yes, the O-line didn't do the greatest job, but at a certain point in that game Allegheny was just teeing off on us because they were up by 10 with under ten to go.  I would tee off against a rushing team like that too.  Oh well.....a little note for futrue opponents of Allegheny.....they are the worst holding team I have ever seen at this level.  My brother said the ref actually warned him about punching because my bro was trying to swim over to break their hold on his jersey.  He said every play, grab a jersey and try to take you to the ground.  Of course, the refs can't call it every play, but hey, you still have to play by the rules.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2007, 05:33:22 PM
Hey!  Tartans still have second straight UAA title to shoot for.  Both CWRU and WUStL seem to be improved over last year's teams and should prove a challenge.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 23, 2007, 07:31:34 PM
On that subject, you are correct, but some of the Tartans better get their heads out of the sand.  I mean, you can't play sloppy football and expect to win your conference.  The thing about all of this is that all of these guys know what they are capable of.  Alot of the starters are returning from an undefeated regular season and a playoff run in 06'.  There is just no excuse for the play of some of these guys.  I don't wanna knock on anybody or put people down, but experienced players don't make these kinds of mistakes.  I must also say that the absence of departed All-UAA PK Nat Greenstein has really, REALLY hurt.  CMU missed a 2nd quarter FG that had the distance by far, just went wide right.  I know hindsight is 20/20, but for the last two weeks if the kicking game is executed the games would have at least been extended, if not won.  Like I said, I hope the bye week allows these guys to clear their heads and get back to basics.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2007, 08:24:51 PM
My point exactly.  Time to refocus on the goal of winning the UAA.  You know WUStL wants the title back and the Spartans are hungry and can smell "blood in the water."  On the kicking situation a clear magin there for CWRU.  Coffey is 5/7 in FGs and has made 95% of PATs.  Only one other kicker has a FG and all the rest are under 90% in PATs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 24, 2007, 09:45:07 AM
Well, I hope it does fuel some type of inspiration for the Tartans.  I'm saying it right now though, if they play sloppy football they can kiss the UAA goodbye.  It sounds like CWRU and WUStL are too good to play like that and hope to win.  On the other hand, CMU is probably that much better than those two if they play up to their capabilities.  Anyways, I was speaking to a couple of the CMU players over the weekend about our discussion on recruiting.  Well, I received an interesting e-mail from one of them this morning.  Here is a portion of it.........

"CMU does indeed actively recruit.  We make phone calls to hundreds of kids
during the season trying to find high school football players that are also
good enough students, and we stay in touch with them.  Coach Lackner sends our
recruits weekly e-mails about our season, the school begins sending them
application information, our athletic department begins sending them
information, et cet.  I have a work-study job for Coach L. where I sit in his
office for 1-2 hours every day after practice and just call players from a list
of guys that he has information about, so he knows who to add to his list of
potential recruits.  By the end of the season, we have a list of 500 or more
potential recruits - then Coach Lackner plans out his time on the road to visit
as many as he can at their schools.  In Division 3, with no scholarships, the
only way to get players is to plant a LOT of seeds and see what we come up
with."

"Although MajorSpartan said that he thinks most of the CWRU kids are kids that
the coaches just called up over the summer once they found out they were into
the school, he is badly mistaken.  I know because many of the kids that visit
us in the spring are also being recruited by Case and many have told me they
already had a football visit to CWRU or they are going the week after they
visit us.  Maybe that's how it was 10 or 15 years ago - but now I'm sure that
all of the UAA schools definitely recruit, which is the way it should be.  The
football teams shouldn't be completely made up of walk-ons."

A couple interesting tid-bits in there should put MajorSpartan's argument to rest.  Especially the part about CMU's recruits having visits with and being recruited by CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on September 24, 2007, 11:16:15 AM
It was kind of ironic this weekend.  Sitting in front of me in the bleachers was a high school student invited by Lachner.  During the half time, a former CMU player specifically came and found him to tell him about his experiences at CMU.  he talked to the kid for the entire half. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 24, 2007, 06:53:47 PM
One other milestone from Saturday in Cleveland.  The win evened Debeljak's record at 17-17.  Next week should get him above .500.  A feat accomplished by only two other CWRU coaches!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 25, 2007, 09:57:30 AM
cwru70,

Question.

What did Joe Perella and Jim Chapman leave?

Chapman coached us during our "glory years," and Perella is the only other coach with an above .500 record.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2007, 07:40:52 PM
Not sure I understand the import of your question.  Each was followed by a protoge former coordinator.  Chapman had 5 yrs, all winning seasons.  His last was 7-1-1.  He was followed by Stuckey who immediately dropped to 3-6 and had two winning seasons out of 7.  Perella was 5-5, 6-4, and 5-5.  Debeljak started 5-5, then the injury plagued 3-7, and 5-5 again.  Six wins is pretty much a lock this year, anything less than 7 wins would be dissappointment. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 26, 2007, 08:55:30 AM
cwru70,

Sorry.  Wrong word.

I meant to ask WHY they left.  That "what" was a mistake.

My apologies for the confusion.

Where did each coach move to?  Did each continue coaching beyond Case?

Why was Chapman so successful, and Stucky so unsuccessful? 

Stuckey, BTW, was the coach when I was in school, and he even contacted me and asked me if I wanted to come out prior to enrolling my freshman year.  Knowing I didn't have anywhere near the talent to be successful beyond high school (where I had only had limited success), I declined.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2007, 06:56:34 PM
Chapman applied for HC job at OU (his alma mater) he returned to hs as an administrator I believe (adding to his state teacher's retirement).  A couple of years later he ended up at Mercyhurst (then d3) as HC where he was 1-8,5-4, and 5-4-1.  His biggest win (in the words of Gordon Gee) probably was a 20-20 tie with Wittenberg.

I think Perella left to become AD at Beechwood HS.  He came to CWRU from JCU which hired CWRU's Regis Scafe (I would guess Perella was an applicant as well).  As I recall he was in his 60's.

I don't have any real insight into "why" but there's more "what."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2007, 07:06:12 PM
Congrats to the UAA TOW-ers:

Chicago  FR DL Justin Kaderabek and SR LB Gaby Fernandez

WUStL  FR LB Dan Mulholland
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2007, 07:25:12 PM
CWRU's all-time scoring record (70 pts v Oberlin 1998) might be in jeopardy this weekend.  Not sure they'll take enough players to DC to keep the score lower.

The season record of 371 (2002 & 2003) is likely in jeopardy as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 26, 2007, 08:54:43 PM
I'm not trying to stir the pot here because CMU hasn't performed as well as some thought they would, but we will find out just what kind of team the Spartans have when they stop playing NCAC cupcakes and get into the meat of the schedule when they start UAA play.  Let's be honest, they are two different teams, but I think CMU would be sitting just as pretty if they had played CWRU's schedule.  Its also hard to remember that CMU is probably 3 or 4 plays away from being 4-0, but that is why the game is played and 2-2 is better than 0-4 so........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on September 26, 2007, 09:05:42 PM
Careful, BD, because the schedule is what it is. I seem to recall some questioning the strength of CMU's schedule last year but, to its credit, CMU ran the table. Let's give credit to Case where it is due. If they are soundly winning games against weaker opponents, they are demonstrating their strength to date. Sure, tougher games remain that will test them but, until then, let's give Case the acclaim that they are due. Just because CMU isn't getting the job done this year doesn't mean we should take anything away from Case's effort until now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2007, 09:36:38 PM
BDT  No dis of CMU or UAA intended.  From the beginning I've said this year's CWRU schedule was weaker than last year's.  The two games on either side of the CMU game are against teams even weaker than the weakest of the NCAC teams they've played.  Those six games should have 250 pts or more.  They only need to average 30 pts in the remaining four games.  I think they can break 20 against CMU and WUStL and maybe 28 against UChi.  But I grant you the UAA Ds are tough.  This week may give a better indication of OWU's strength.  And the Spartan's have to squash that turnover bug that showed itself in the Woo game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 27, 2007, 08:00:30 AM
First thing first, I wasn't trying to take anything away from CWRU.  I know the same things were being said about CMU last year.  Well guess what, I'm saying it about CWRU this year.  CMU increased the strength of their schedule quite a bit from last year and their record shows it.  You can't play against better competition the way you would play against some of the teams on the 06' schedule.  If CWRU runs the table and follows CMU's lead then they will find out what it takes as well.  I'm not dissing CWRU, nor am I complaining about CMU.  It is what it is.........the boys will be seperated from the men when the UAA schedule kicks in.  CMU may end up being a boy, but hey, I don't think that is going to happen.

cwru70, I didn't take your post as a dis.  I think that CMU's 06' schedule is starting to show why they broke so many team records since they are playing better competition in 07' with practically the same team and not getting the same results.  Which seems to be the same case for CWRU.  What happens if they schedule up in there open dates in 08'??  Considering that you probably will have quite a bit of offensive firepower returning in 08' that just might happen.  With a favorable schedule any team is capable of anything.  Once again, I took no offense and I meant no offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2007, 08:24:12 AM
BDTartan,

I admit that this year's out of conference schedule has been a bit sub-standard.

I doubt that many (if any) of our OOC opponents will finish the season with winning records.

But conference will still be tough, with CMU, WashU, etc.

I'm hoping, however, that we do run the table, and earn the NCAA playoff bid that we were apparently didn't get in 1984 (9-0 NCAC champs).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2007, 08:29:52 AM
The schedule thru '09 is set.  The two weakest will be gone, to be replaced by Rochester and Hiram.  As I've said before I wish that it was Allegheny not Hiram.  What happens in 2010 is anyone's guess.  Coach Debeljak was quoted as saying the UAA teams could join the NCAC permanently.

Maj  There are more playoff spots now than in 1984.  But while 10-0 would be great, the prospect of playing Mount doesn't thrill me.  CWRU would likely be an 8 seed, even at 10-0.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on September 27, 2007, 11:05:35 AM
Let's face it, one often has no idea how a schedule is going to shape up in terms of strength until the season is underway. Sure, there is past history of the teams you are playing, but those fortunes can change from year to year.

Wooster has been a powerhouse but is off to an 0-3 start including a beating by CWRU. Go figure. Franklin and Marshall drops from 8-3 in 2004 to 3-7 when CMU played them last year. Rhodes, on Wash U's schedule, ranges anywhere from 2 to 7 wins over the last 8 or 9 years. Northwestern, on Chicago's schedule, had 7 and 8 win seasons the past two years, but already has two losses. Wittenberg, who CMU plays next year, had numerous 1 and 2 loss seasons before losing 3, 4, and 5 games over the last few years.

Point is, one can try to schedule for strength with no guarantees of how that will actually work out. That said, I have always respected the scheduling of Wash U who shows no fear in scheduling the Mt. Unions, Trinitys, and Wheatons over the past few years in spite of how it might affect the team's season record. Playing up in competition can help your program improve as you learn how to play the tougher teams. Hopefully, that is what CMU will experience this year as they tackle tougher competition and, if Case has a great season in spite of the lesser schedule, perhaps that will propel the program to a better year next year against better competition.

Regardless, BD, though CMU has alot back from last year, I wouldn't say it is "practically the same team". Most of the offense returned save for an o-lineman here and there and its wide receivers. And, the QB had the experience of filling in for the last few games after the injury to last year's starter wno won seven straight. But, the defense lost all of its ILBs and DBs except for one. And, even more importantly, the kicker graduated, too. Though his stats last year weren't the greatest, he was dependable in crucial situations and won a game in OT against Wash U.

The unmeasurable variable for any football team is the impact the graduating seniors had in terms of leadership. One can put on paper all the returners and look great, but usually, if not always, senior leadership can carry a team a long way, or impair its progress, too. The verdict is still out on the leadership qualities of this year's crop of UAA seniors. That will better be evaluated at the end of the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 27, 2007, 11:26:26 AM
Not a single open date through 09' huh?  Well, that doesn't leave anything to the imagination as far as trying to get better competition.  Rochester should be a tougher game for the Spartans, but unless Hiram shows significant improvement by next year then that's no different then most of the teams you've played.

I'll tell you this much, we will all find out in three weeks.  Academic Bowl will be a doozy if CWRU comes in undefeated.  I guarantee the Tartans will be dying to hand the Spartans their first loss.

UAA Follower........I don't know what to say to you because it sounds like there is an echo on this board......in your post you stated things I have posted many times over the last months.  I've talked about all they have lost on defense, including the senior leadership last year of Lewis and Ploetzner and also the fact that graduating their 4 time All-UAA PK has hurt them.    Those losses hurt bad enough, but mistakes will kill you.  But in case you didn't know, CMU runs the Wing-T.....QB experience is almost a non-factor in Erdelyi's Wing-T.  Two years ago I saw him play many different QBs just because in his offense he is running the ball 85-95% of the time.  In fact, Facemeyer has been utilized more as a RB playing QB.  What I was getting at is the fact that they only lost ONE O-lineman and once again the passing game is so little used that a rushing team returning four linemen and all of its backs shouldn't even have missed a beat, but alas you are right about one thing.  Scheduling doesn't always play to your hand.  I am sure CMU felt confident in scheduling Hobart even though they were a team who made the playoffs 5 of the last 6years.  A missed XP and a bobbled two-point conversion are two plays in that game that I point to.  A missed FG and an errant throw by Facemeyer that got picked and the 4 fumbles in the second half really put the clamps on the Allegheny game.  Lastly, I believe there is plenty of senior leadership on the CMU team.  In fact, watching Gimson play leads me to believe that he is one of those leaders for sure.  I'll break it down to you like this, the leadership is not a question.  Making mistakes, certain play-calling, and yes, some inexperience on D has been the downfall of the Tartans this year.  Oh, and also, what does Wash U. get out of playing those teams??  The UAA has no AQ so unless Wash U knocks a Mount, Trinity, or Wheaton off and runs the table then that competition can only help them in the regular season.  I don't want to bicker with you about all of this, but it would be nice if you would read a little further back in the posts before you try to make a point so you don't go repeating everything people say.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
cwru70,

I understand about the possibility of having to play Mt. Union if we run the table and make the playoffs.

But as Ric Flair would say:

To BE the man, you've got to BEAT the man.

Mt. Union is THE MAN.

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 28, 2007, 08:26:55 AM
Yes, Mt. Union is the man, but Ohio Northern proved a couple years ago that a solid gameplan and execution can knock off the man every once in a while. 

Sorry about yesterday, didn't mean to rant but man if it doesn't burn me when somebody tries to make a point to me while using points I've already made myself.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2007, 08:37:40 AM
That matchup would be Boyz against Men.  CWRU has a few players of Mt Union quality (They supposedly recruited Whalen for one), but Mount has them at every position (and in backups too).

Look at the love for CWRU in The Dose!

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/28/triple-take-who-needs-it-more

I wish Wooster had been more of a test to help prepare for CMU.  But given history who thought they wouldn't be?  As Follower suggests.  At least the first units played the whole game.  

Could be a close game.  In which case the kicking game could be the difference.  Edge to CMU at P and CWRU @ PK.

BDT NBD, but you kinda did the same to me re CWRU's weak sched.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 28, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
cwru70,

You mentioned how our points record could be at stake this coming weekend againt Gallaudet.

Well, even if we do break it, I bet we set a new record against St. Vincent's, a BRAND NEW winless program that Gallaudet already defeated.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2007, 10:52:07 AM
Well St Vincent is at home so there will be more players to see action which might keep the score down.  I wonder if there will more than 50-60 going to DC.  Since it's a brand new team, I suspect that they will have improved over week one.  If they played Gallaudet this week I think they might pull off a win. 

All the UAA teams in action should be faves.

GO Spartans, Bears, and Maroons!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 28, 2007, 01:47:02 PM
Yes, cwru70, I did step on your toes a bit with that but I felt like I did it in a fashion where I was re-iterating it and adding my own thoughts to it.  Granted, UAA-Follower made some points of his own, but his points about CMU were all concerns I had expressed before the season even started.  I guess it was more that I felt I was being treated like I didn't know these things when I myself made them clear before.  I jumped the gun, but hey we're all human.  Anyways, good luck to your Spartans this weekend.  What are your plans for the Academic Bowl this year??  I was going to hook up with you at Gesling in 05' and I was even at CWRU last year.  I believe you couldn't make either game.  Just wondering.  I'll be going to the Academic Bowl for sure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2007, 02:12:19 PM
No prob  NBD as I said.

I'm trying to get to the game.  Will advise.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 28, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
You'll have to do that.  I would suggest getting there early if you come.  There has been some unusually larger crowds compared to the last two years I've been going to CMU games.  I remember you saying something about tailgating at Gesling in 05' so if you planned the same I would get there and get your spot on top of the parking garage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 29, 2007, 04:01:46 PM
CWRU 52-13  No TDs for D

Chicago wins   57-27    WUStL wins  24-3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 30, 2007, 12:51:50 AM
Good.

Now we have two weeks to prepare for the "Academic Bowl."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2007, 09:28:01 AM
It's hard to make sound judgements from a game like that.  But way too many passing yards given up, even in the first half.  No sacks and too many sacks given up.  Brew didn't play, missed any explanation.  Breakout game for Bill Deitmen, 13 carries-98 yards.  Haven't heard if he was hampered by an injury earlier.  Derek Bush DNP.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 01, 2007, 08:54:15 AM
Another good weekend for the UAA.  I think you will see a major difference in the Tartans from now on.  I think the Rochester loss kind of lingered and they under-estimated Allegheny, but from speaking with my bro it sounds like they are back on track and have had some great practices during the bye week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 01, 2007, 07:02:15 PM
About a week ago I said "I wouldn't want to be Randolph Macon."  I'm sure the Tartans will be back with a vengance.  Will be interesting to see how Allegheny fares v Wabash. They seem to be playing to the competition.

Nice to have an exta week to prepare for the wing-T.  I sure hope Brew and Bush will be ready to go. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 01, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
Yeah, that extra week helps, but finding the right scout team for the Wing-T is tough.  To be truthful, if Erdelyi would run some of the offense he did last year it would be even harder to prepare for, but this year seems to be going the direction of the 05' season where he did nothing but run, run, RUN unless CMU was down after the half.  The Wing-T may be tough to prepare for, but when your facing a team that does nothing but run the ball and has an O-Coordinator who is stubborn about that fact, all you have to do is stack the box and protect the play action that will rarely ever come.  I don't know......I think the offensive play calling was fantastic last year and this year I just find it lacking the creativeness and fearlessness it had last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 03, 2007, 07:49:13 AM
This year's depth should help the scout team.  CMU only had about 200 yds rushing lasat year v CWRU.  This year's D seems better than last year's.  Is there a correlation between all this year's runs and CMU's QB problems?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerTartan on October 03, 2007, 09:50:55 AM
I don't know that it has been a problem with the quarterback but rather a lack of options at receiver.  Granted against Allegheny there was an apparent case of fumblitis but this year the only true option with any experience was TE Wisnieski and to a limited extent WR Doo.  Doo was injured against Grove City and hasn't played since forcing the Tartans to start a Sophomore, Sophomore, Freshman combination at wide-receiver, a situation that doesn't lend itself well to spreading the field and opening the defense up for the Tartan's rushing attack.
 
Quote from: BDTartan on October 01, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
To be truthful, if Erdelyi would run some of the offense he did last year it would be even harder to prepare for, but this year seems to be going the direction of the 05' season where he did nothing but run, run, RUN unless CMU was down after the half. 

I'm sure that Coach Erd would love to run some of the play action and deep throws we often opened up with last year but I don't think the Tartans currently have a consistent or reliable target.  Much like in the '04 and '05 seasons when WR's Kline and Davis lacked experience.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 03, 2007, 10:03:18 AM
You know, that is a good question....but I highly doubt it considering that Mulkern got hurt in the Academic Bowl last year and Facemeyer started all of the remaining games including the two playoff games.  He did a pretty good job in my opinion.  I don't know.  As I said, the play calling is suspect to me at times.  Sometimes I am just downright confused as I am watching a game and see defenses doing certain things to stop the running game and the play calling just gets more stubborn.  Last year, the pass was mixed in well enough to keep opposing secondaries and LBs honest.  I find it hard to believe Erdelyi has a pre-season All-American TE in Derek Wisnieski, who averaged a hefty amount of yards per catch last year, and can't find a way to get the ball into his hands.  I saw the ball go his way when they were down two scores late in the Allegheny game and once or twice in the GCC game.  Other than that I don't think he has seen the ball much.  Another thing possibly is that I don't know if it is the play call itself or the QB, but it seems like all the pass plays I have watched, the QB has been dead set on one target.  There has been no going through progressions or checking down.  Its just fired in there.  A couple times I have seen WIDE open guys running totally uncovered while the ball is being thrown into double or triple or even quadruple coverage.  To be quite honest, I think GCC gameplanned the crap out of CMU and the last couple teams have kind of followed suit.  I did notice that teams are starting to play their ends standing up to make it harder for the OTs to get out and get a solid block on them.

Sorry formerTartan, I was writing the above while you posted.  Wisnieski has the ability to get done what little needs to be done in the play-action game to keep some teams honest.  He is an excellent run blocker who can release on plays and make some catches and get up field.  If you've played since he has been there then you know what I am getting at.  Also, like I said, the QB seems to be staring down targets in the pass game and when the throw is made it hasn't been pretty.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 03, 2007, 06:39:14 PM
For whatever reason Facemeyer07 doesn't equal Facemeyer06.

The Randolph-Macon game looks a lot tougher than it did in August.  Their HC and DC both coached at WUStL so the Tartan O is familiar to them.

CWRU is doing pretty well with WRs that are all Sophs and Frosh.   ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 04, 2007, 08:50:02 AM
For what its worth Randolph-Macon also walked all over Washington & Lee 42-7.  I don't know enough about W&L to say whether they are the same kind of team that made the playoffs last year....but they did lose  their last game of the season to the Spartans and their playoff game.  I don't think the Randolph-Macon game is going to be easy, but I believe the Tartans received a nice double dose of wake up calls and will be well prepared and rested coming into this game.  The only thing that scares me is that it looks like CMU is either going to have to outscore the YellowJackets or play some excellent defense against them while the O controls the ball and the clock.  We shall see which one happens.  It looks like the YellowJackets are yet another well balanced offensive team which the Tartans have been playing the last 4 weeks.  Unlike their schedule in 06' which featured 7 or 8 teams who ran the spread.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
42-17 -- still a large margin but not exactly the same kind of game as 42-7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 04, 2007, 11:04:38 AM
Oops, my bad.......I could of swore I read that score as 42-7.  Thanks Pat, so what is the deal with W&L??  Big graduation last year?  I only ask because CMU does play them at the end of the year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
They lost some people, but to be honest, they weren't world-beaters last year either.

Losing to Randolph-Macon is definitely a surprise, but the bottom-half teams in the ODAC appear to be making some steps forward this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 04, 2007, 12:16:52 PM
Thanks for the info.  I didn't think they were that good considering the playoff loss and the loss to CWRU last year.  Even though CWRU is another improved team this year.  I did notice reading the YellowJackets press release that they seem to be a much improved team. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 05, 2007, 09:08:22 AM
Go Tartans and Bears.  Have a great week.  UAA starts next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 06, 2007, 03:33:29 PM
Well, it sounds like CMU is going to lose yet another tough game.  Don't know any stats...only picked up enough of the extremely choppy radio stream to find out CMU was down 21-10 with very little time left in the game.  Wow.....I have to wonder when they're going to turn it around.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 06, 2007, 07:53:19 PM
WOW   I hope it's not next week.

Gimson had a tough game, fumbled twice.  Facemeyer 1-5 and sacked twice.  Only 1 CMU sack, that  by one Clay Crites.  Gave up 377 yards TO.  On the + side did get a FG.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: northwr87 on October 08, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
Just wanted to get the conversation going and get everyones thoughts on the UAA openers this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 08, 2007, 12:43:02 PM
Well, to be honest....I think WUStL is the only team doing what was expected of them.  Nobody was real sure about Chicago and I'm still not sold on them.  CMU was coming off of an undefeated season and a playoff win yet they have a losing record as of right now.  I don't think anybody thought CWRU would be sitting undefeated right now so........I would have to say flip a coin my friend.  To quote American Dad from last nights episode....Predicting this weekend's UAA games "would be like a Campbell's soup can telling Warhol where to get his drugs."  My heart says CMU by a frog hair.  And my common sense says WUStL wins by a couple scores.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 08, 2007, 09:28:35 PM
BDT I gotta disagree with your take on the year so far.  I think most folks would have given CWRU a better chance to beat Wooster, than for WUStL to beat North Central.  That win could be big for whoever wins the UAA, assuming they win out.

I gotta go with CWRU 24-20.  The difference?  Coffey FG and missed CMU PAT.  But the team that best protects the pigskin will win.

I'd agree with Bears by a couple of scores, although Chicago remains a mystery.  They've played a FR QB the last couple of games and he's played well.  But it was not against stiff competition.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 09, 2007, 07:21:30 PM
CMU is adding video to its website.  Great news.  They're one upping CWRU by showing soccer as well.  Come on CWRU step up for soccer.  They couldn't even do last weekind when soccer was at home and no FB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 09, 2007, 09:13:08 PM
I'm not a CWRU fan.......most of the folks you are talking about are probably a Spartan fan or more familiar with their program than the rest of people.  I was just saying that most people "outside" of the CWRU program probably didn't expect them to be sitting at 5-0 coming into the Academic Bowl.  And everyone who knows UAA understands that WUStL always fields a good team and the fact that they faced two ranked teams and came away 1-1 in those games just proved that point.  You can say 24-20 all you want, but I really think the Tartans are tired of losing while CWRU is getting all of the love.  As I mentioned before, I spoke to some of the Tartan players including my brother........who would love nothing more than to get ahold of the Spartans and ruin their unblemished record.  I think the Tartans will be more fired up for this game than they have been since the Millsaps game last year.  Besides, you said it yourself, CMU did hit a FG in the RMU game and that may lend confidence coming into this game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 10, 2007, 01:08:24 PM
BD, I have followed your instructions and reviewed your recent posts before writing this. Hopefully, I will not "burn you by making points that you have already made" and will do my best not to "echo what you have already posted".

I could not help but notice in my review of your posts that you stated after a loss that the Tartans are "back on track" and we would "see a major difference" in their play. And, perhaps they took a team too lightly. Stated like a true fan and I applaud you for that.

Unfortunately, CMU lost yet again a game they might have won were it not for making mistake after mistake. RB Gimson, a senior you stated would be a team leader, fumbled twice. Another senior, of course, dropped the 2-point play that would have won the Hobart game a few weeks ago.

You also stated that the QB doesn't really matter in the Wing-T offense. But, Facemeyer this year has a passing efficiency of 87.21 compared to Mulkern last year who had a rating of 155.32 in 7 games. Facemeyer already has been sacked 9 times while CMU was only sacked 8 times all of last year.

Turnovers have also been a major factor this year with CMU now giving the ball away twice as many times as they have taken it for a -7 ratio. Last year's team finished the 11-game season +14.

Comparatively, CWRU's Whalen has a 159 efficiency rating and the Spartans are well-balanced between the run and pass, averaging over 200 yards per game in each. He has thrown only 2 picks (Facemeyer has thrown 3 in far fewer attempts). Case has been sacked 13 times but, of course, has thrown over 100 more attempts than CMU to this point. The CWRU veteran defense is ranked #1 in the UAA and among the top defenses in the nation against the run. The Spartans are +7 in the turnover category.

All that said, CMU has played a tougher schedule with its opponents currently 15-12, but has not beaten a team with a winning record. CWRU's opponents are 7-18, none with a winning record. As with the Tartans last year, can CWRU use the momentum and confidence it has built versus an inferior schedule as a springboard to a UAA Championship and perhaps even a coveted playoff spot?

Wash U is 5-1, its opponents 15-18 (including undefeated Wheaton and winless LaGrange) and has defeated 2 schools with a winning record. Chicago is 3-1, its opponents 9-12.

It should be an exciting next three weeks. I don't make game predictions but I do believe that the road to the league championship, as usual, goes through St. Louis. Chicago had to beat the Bears two years ago to win the league while CMU had the OT thriller last year to capture the crown. CWRU has its work cut out for it as it has to play at CMU and at Chicago while hosting Wash U.

Good luck to all teams over the next 3 weeks. And, I commend you as always for your academic and athletic skills. You are true scholar-athletes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2007, 07:45:26 PM
I too thought CMU would rebound against AC and R-M, but since they didn't, well...

The CWRU schedule was weak, but they dominated those oponents.  AC only on be a couple of scores against weaker teams.

The Academic Bowl will be close.  As I said whoever protects the pigskin better (as I should have said) will win.

I agee that WUStL is a strong program, but the d3.comKickoff ranks had them at 105 while North Central as 18th.  In contrast CWRU was 113 and Wooster 90.  Which result was least likely to the "gurus"?  And the NCAC pickem had CWRU favored over Wooster.  Although that wouldn't have happened if Wooster hadn't lost its first two.  And CWRU has pretty much owned those other NCAC teams.

Let's have a great game.  Go Spartans! 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 10, 2007, 09:08:29 PM
I agree CWRU that the Spartans have had very convincing wins against the teams they have played as well they should if they are truly a good team themselves. Seems to me that CMU made the same claim last year as they soundly beat most of the teams on their schedule. That leads me to suspect that something special might be brewing for Case this season.

I give little credence to D3football's pre-season rankings after the first 30 or 40 teams. Though the staff does a miraculous job of researching the myriad schools in DIII, it is impossible for anyone to predict the variables of a great season such as those we have been discussing (i.e. strength of schedule, team chemistry, etc). I would hope even the gurus of D3football would admit that they might miss the rise of some programs and the fall of others. Take for example Wash U and Wooster, as you named. Or add to the list CMU (now 2-3) and North Central (now 3-2).  D3football's post-season summaries give tribute to such surprises of the season.

Should be a great Academic Bowl this year. And, the Wash U-Chicago game should be telling, too.

Best of luck to all the teams and players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2007, 08:31:04 AM
Well follower, all I can say is this........Facemeyer's passer rating isn't bad, but the majority of his attempts have come when CMU is down and trying to come back, not to mention that his completion percentage is abysmal compared to Mulkern last year, which by the way, Mulkern only played in 6 regular season games in 06' because he was hurt in the Academic Bowl(game 6).....that said, the mistakes that have been made this year HAVE been costly.  Gimson's fumbles, according to my dad...who attended the game, were purely from him trying to get extra yardage.  As was Babcock's fumble.  I'm never going to fault Gimson or anbody else for being a hard ass runner and when you run like that you take a chance that somebody is going to get their mits on the ball while you're fighting for that extra yard.  Those guys ran just as hard last year and they caught some breaks and took care of the ball.  As far as saying the two teams CMU has beaten has losing records......Rochester plays in the LL where wins can be tough to come by and even GCC has some pretty tough opponents in the PAC......it also looks like RMU could make a run at the ODAC.  Look, they've lost three games in a row and I can guarantee that the entire Tartan team is trying to figure out a way to get back on track.  These next three games are now circled for me because if they run off three straight they establish two things......they keep the .500 or better streak going AND they defend the UAA.  I have a tiny little bit of insight that has nothing to do with the team or anybody affiliated, but I believe there might be quite a few things done differently by CMU in these UAA games.  They've got to find something else because the same old stuff ain't getting the job done.

cwru70.......any word on whether or not you'll be attending the Academic Bowl??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2007, 09:06:03 AM
By the way UAAfollower, while you were perusing Facemeyer's stats did you happen to see that he has rushed the ball only ten fewer times than he has thrown it??  Obviously, the Tartans aren't getting it done in the passing game and that leads to having to convert first downs with the run.  When you already run for 300 yards a game as a team the opposing D is stacking it up anyways so.........that also leads to giving the ball up quickly and this gasses the D.  Numerous times the D played well all game and then there was a drive late in the game that killed them with alot of yardage PLUS a score because those guys have been on the field for quite some time.  In the long run time will only tell, but I think this year is going to be a growing pain for some players who might use it as incentive for the future.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 11, 2007, 12:30:49 PM
BD, not to dicker with you but the stats show Mulkern played in 7 games last year. Perhaps you are forgetting that he returned from his injury to go 2-9-1 versus Wesley in the final game.

I would respectfully disagree that Facemeyer's passer rating isn't bad. Not many successful QBs have ratings in the 80s. But I will agree that for a wing-t team to be throwing alot late in a game while trying to win that game is not a prescription for success. Wing-T offenses are usually not known for the ability to come back from deficits by throwing alot as they spend so much more time practicing the run game.

That begs the question of why the play selection has not allowed hiim to throw more earlier in the game using play action set up by the run. Only the coaches know the answer to that. My only point of contention with you is that the QB can make a big difference in such an offense and I believe the stats and record proved it after researching the past two QBs' performances. We can just agree to disagree, ok?

No doubt that if CMU wins the next three games, that would go a long way to cleansing the bad taste that they must have now after the tough losses the team has suffered. And, no doubt that some of the mistakes they have made may have come by trying too hard and giving that extra effort though, in my opinion, veterans and leaders can't make many of those mistakes if the team is to succeed.

We'll see if the insight you have into any changes the team makes is accurate and, even more important, if they work. I'm sure the staff at Case is going to try to have a few things up their sleeves, too.

That's the great thing about the UAA. Four great programs that are well-coached. The next three weeks will be interesting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on October 11, 2007, 12:49:08 PM
Well I have to agree with that post.  The fact is neither side is playing as well as it should.  last year, cmu defense gave up only 8.4 point per game in the regular season vs. 17.5 this year.  that is a big difference.  cmu offense in the regular season averaged 28.7 pts per game and this year the average is only 21.  The wing T offense does not lend itself to big plays.  when the offense has the ball and is moving well, it can eat up 10 minutes or more of the clock.  this means that an average of 20 something points is all that can be expected therefor unfortunately it falls to the defense to keep the score low.  CMU offense had the ball 28 minutes versus CMU defense being on the field for 31 minutes so there was no reason for the defense to be that much more tired in the Randolph Macon game than the offense.  CMU actually had one more first down than RM but offense wasn't able to capitalize and our defense didn't do as good a job stopping their offense.  CMU's problems unfortunately are not all facemyer or the offense.  Some of it is certainly playcalling and not using all the weapons as you pointed out in a previous post but it is certainly not just the quarterback or the offense.

CWRU -- congrats to the spartans and I am glad to see their great season.   until all the UAA teams start to have these kind of starts and seasons the UAA will not get  much respect.  Sorry can't wish your team good luck this week as my heart and soul belong to cmu but hope you win out after this.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 11, 2007, 02:20:38 PM
Plaid, it was not my intent to put all of it Facemeyer and the offense and I apologize if that was the way it came across. I was only trying to discuss with BDTartan that the QB's performance can and does play a major role in a wing-t offense. But, certainly, football is a team game and a win or loss never comes down to one player.

That is what is mystifying about this year's CMU team to those of us who follow the UAA. With almost all of the offense and much of the defense returning from last year's outstanding team, we thought that they would be up to facing the more challenging schedule and, possibly, make a name for not only CMU but the UAA, too. They have hardly been outmanned or blown out of any of their losses, so it must get down to execution and mistakes on the part of all. I'm sure the coaches and players are doing their best to improve on that as they enter league play.

Your interesting point about possession time inspired me to go back to CMU's stats. In the three losses, the Allegheny game was the only game that had more than a 5 minute difference in possession time. Against Hobart, CMU actually had the ball slightly more than its opponent. For the season, CMU has a greater possession time than its opponents.

Regarding respect for the UAA, at least on D3football it is earning more respect as it placed 15th out of 25 conferences in its "Ranking the Conferences" of Sept 27th. I don't recall where the league placed in past years but I'm sure it wasn't that high. That is what a playoff team from last year and great starts on the part of all the schools this year will earn you, I guess.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 11, 2007, 04:05:28 PM
We can agree or disagree, no difference the way I see it.  Look, all I was trying to get at is the way the offensive gameplan has been going the QB is about the least effective weapon they have and when he is put into a position to make a play its usually in long yardage.  Facemeyer has had 86 plays called for him this season.....38 rush, 48 pass.  He has done much better running the ball, therefore because our discussion was centered around CMU passing the ball I said the QB is not the playmaker in the Wing-T that he is supposed to be in every other offense.  Don't get me wrong, he can be, but when you're producing 300 yards of rushing with a three headed attack the QB is not who the Wing-T flows through.  plaidfanatic said it, the Wing-T does not lend itself to big plays.  If it is not a run that's busted for a big gain then any other big play has to be done by the QB......

As far as Mulkern coming into the Wesley game......if he was healthy enough to play then why didn't he start??  Either A.) Too much rust and maybe not fully healthy.  OR B.) the coaches felt that Facemeyer was there best chance to win given what he did the previous 5 games.  Including taking care of the ball and managing the WUStL game very well.  To be honest with you, I don't think quarterbacks go to a school with the Wing-T.  It always seemed to me that running QBs were best suited for that offense and that seems to be the case at CMU.

By the way follower I totally agree with you that the play calling should allow him to mix in the pass to get a feel for it.  I mean, this guy has to start chucking it when they're down when he only threw a couple passes in the previous parts of games??  How is that effective.

The T.O.P thing was in general.  I didn't even look at the RMU stats.  I know I was at the Allegheney game and it seemed like the D was on the field alot more.  Don't forget what you said either plaid, a wing-t offense eats up clock.  CMU hasn't played a slow-em-down team like themselves.  I haven't looked it up, but I'll bet the D has more plays than the O this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2007, 07:21:45 PM
Doesn't look like I'll make it to P'burgh.  Hope the CMU video comes thru.

The team that wins will be the team that brings it on game day. DUH

Heidelburg, AppSt, and Stanford have reminded us that almost anything can happen.

One telling stat for CMU may be that their leading tackler (and UAA leader) is a DB.

I cited the d3kickoff ranking to demonstrate that WUStL's win over NCC would have surprised the gurus more than CWRU's win over Wooster, not just CWRU fans.  I wasn't saying they proved accurate necessarily.

Not sure if Whalen's being CWRU's leading rusher was mentioned here, but that's because five different RBs have split the carries.  And they total more than double his yards.

As I recall before last year the UAA was something like 24th of 26 conferences.

Safe game to all and may the teams that play hardest win!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 12, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I'm sorry you won't be able to make the trip.  And I'm sorry it came off like I jumped you, I just was speaking in general terms for those few people who roam this board that aren't familiar with the expectations of the UAA teams.  Let's say this: anybody who just follows the UAA loosely and doesn't get the Kickoff or delve any deeper probably didn't expect such a strong start from the Spartans.  Also, if its any consolation....Aaron Lewis led the team in tackles the 3 or 4 previous years from the exact safety position Scholl is playing.  I think its more predicated on the type of 3-4 Bodnar runs at CMU.  I think his best tackling DB is almost always playing that position as a center fielder/run stopper.  Almost like an extra LB in a way.  Don't quote me though as I have only been following CMU for a couple years now.

Well, good luck Tartans!  Play mistake free football and the victories will start coming again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2007, 01:07:53 PM
NBD BDT  I never meant the CWRU statrt wan't unexpected.  Just that WUStL's win was bigger ane more of a surprise.

It has been reported that CWRU will be bussing students to Gesling, so there should be agreat atmosphere for the game.  There's a great shot on CMU's site of the crowd for the AC game only one section wasn't full.

As we said back in the day:  Cleveland Rocks, Pittsburgh Socks (G version)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on October 12, 2007, 07:27:33 PM
Good Luck Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 13, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
Great game in Gesling!!  Great to have the video, but if they can't patch in the radio audio can't they at least have a mike for PA and crowd noise?

Neither team protected the pigskin, 14 of CMU's points were from turnovers.  CMU lost a fumble with goal to go.  The stats were as close as the game.  Pantalone didn't fare much better than Facemyer has.  Tough loss Tartans.

Looks like the UAA will be decided in Cleveland on 11-3!

Props to Coach Lackner in going for 2 still early in 3Q. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 13, 2007, 08:03:11 PM
CASE WINS!!!!!

SIX AND OH BAYBEE!!!!!!

We'll definitely be 7-0 after the next game!!!!

I hate to jinx us, but WE COULD RUN THE TABLE!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2007, 07:03:40 PM
Can't look past St. Vincent.  They may be a first year program (and lost to Galludet) but seem to be improving.  They were even with Thomas More after 3.

CWRU garners first votes in d3.com poll since early in 2003.

WUStL gets 30th most votes.

The Baird Bros Stringer and Academic Bowl will reside in University Circle for the first off-season since 1988.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 15, 2007, 11:17:22 AM
Congratulations to the Spartans and Bears for victories in the first week of UAA play. Wash U. capitalized on 7 first-half turnovers to build its lead against Chicago. Two of the turnovers went for touchdowns.

Meanwhile, it looks like turnovers and an inconsistent kicking game did in CMU again though much credit should go to CWRU for overcoming its own mistakes in regulation to pull it out in overtime. Also interesting was the decision by the Tartan coaches to go with the backup QB who seemed to fare no better than the starter in CMU's meager passing attack.

Though it may appear the UAA will be decided on 11-3, am I not correct that if CMU beats Chicago and Wash U these next two weeks, and Wash U beats Case in Cleveland, assuming Case has already defeated Chicago, that three of the four teams would then have one loss? And Case would eliminated from that mix if they don't beat Chicago? Therefore, I would suggest it's a little earlier to be predicting the league will be decided in November. There are still alot of games to play though certainly CWRU and Wash U are in the driver's seat.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on October 15, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
Congratulations to the Spartans.  they played a great game and deserved the win.  I put the loss squarely on the shoulders of the coaches.  With a minute and 36 seconds left, did they try to win with their two minute drill.  no didn't use it.  didn't use their time outs. Why change quarterbacks if you aren't going to change play calling??  how many plays did they run?? not that many.  not as many as the wing T with bright ( and we know they are bright since they got accepted at CMU) players can learn and execute.  Yea  mistakes were made in execution but when the fans sitting in the stands can call the next play, you know darn well the defense for the other team can too!!!!!  How do you think it makes the players feel when the coaches didn't have enough faith in their offense to try to win the game in regulation play.  yea they might have lost--but at least they lost trying to win the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 16, 2007, 08:18:26 AM
Case by four touchdowns or more against hapless St. Vincent's.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 16, 2007, 07:01:32 PM
CMU tried to open up with 4 min left and threw a pick.  They had terrible field position at then end of the game.  With their offense I'd give them a better chance in OT than putting together a long drive in a short time.  What's the cliche'..play for tie at home win on the road?  CWRU seemed to have a D game plan to keep position on the outside to stop the counters and reverses and give Sivek what he could get inside.  21 tackles for Brew in the middle.  One advantage the extra week gave the Spartans was the luxury of taking one day to do nothing but teach the CMU offense to the scout team.

Tough loss for the Tartans.  Game was close, even thought it was 300-240 advantage to CWRU.  Adams had a poor punting day.  Even the winning FG was tipped.  I was right about margin of victory, but CMU redeemed the missed PAT by making a 2 pointer.

I will confess that my 11-3 comment was based upon discounting Chicago and figuring WUStL and CWRU to battle for the out right title.  Upon review though, with the two teams that play on 11-3 winning in UAA week one, the title cannot be decided until then.  Either CMU or Chicago will have two losses after this week and be eliminated.  CWRU and WUStL can have no more than one loss going into their meeting.  So the winner will get at least a share.  But a 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 0-3 finish is possible.

BDT hope you'll get your head up and give us your thoughts.  As noted above, beat Chicago and WUStL and a share is possible.  BTW I understand that there are a bunch of wing T QB's in WPa for CMU to recruit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 18, 2007, 08:06:09 AM
My thoughts shall be welcome, but my head is not down.  My bro came home for the weekend and I spent a little time with him and then I got caught up watching Ken Burns' documentary on WWII with my dad.  I'll tell you like this, I give CWRU all the credit in the world for winning that game....that is, not losing it.  I lay the blame at the coaches feet as well, but not for the same reasons as plaidfanatic.  Yes, they could have gave a more valiant effort and shown that they were trying to win in regulation by using their timeouts at the end, but CWRU was running a prevent/zone type D and just letting CMU get 7-8 yards a pop up the gut.  I wasn't sure that we would get close enough for a FG anyways.  For me, it all comes down to one boneheaded coaching decision late in the 3rd quarter.  As you all know, CMU got two quick turnovers which gave them 14 points and a 7 point lead.  Now, late in the 3rd CMU forces CWRU to punt.  At this point CMU has all the momentum.  They march the ball down the field up the gut as cwru70 said they weren't getting much out of the outside runs.  Anyways, its 3rd and 3 inside the 5 and Sivek had been busting them.  At this point, Erdelyi decides to run some type of delayed handoff where the QB fakes the FB and PAUSES in the backfield waiting on a wingback to come through.  It was a brainless call as CWRU had to be stacking the run up the middle waiting on Sivek, which they did, they shot the gaps, hit the QB, fumble.....momentum swing to CWRU and CMU couldn't get it back.  I don't know about you, but I feed the horse that you rode to the goal line and give it Sivek.  If he doesn't get the 1st, kick a FG.  Hindsight is 20/20, but if they get points out of that drive GAME OVER!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2007, 07:19:14 PM
Glad to have you back.

Gotta figure the coaches were in a bit of a conundrum about the call you refer to.  Send Sivek against a D likely to be stacked against him, or try something else.  Fake inside and run a reverse or counter, perhaps, but CWRU was stopping those plays.  Perhaps they expected that faking to Sivek wouold bottle up the D inside and buy time for the delayed play to develop.  FG not a given.  CWRU didn't do anything on the next two series, so can't say MO had shifted yet, at least not the to the O.  An uncharacteristic poor punt gave CWRU great field position for their 59 yard drive.  They almost turned it over on the first play of the drive, but recovered.  Were there two forward passes on that play?  I give CMU credit for taking away the deep threat and limiting YAC. 

I'll be rooting for CMU the rest of the way, if for no other reason that your fans post here.

So... Go Tartans!!

Heard that Derek Bush leading RB broke a bone or bones in his foot in the Wooster game and is out for the season.  Somehow that hasn't stopped him being listed as a starter in the last two games, thus unfairly reducing his YPG.

I got a chuckle out of CWRU being ahead of Mount Union in the OWP standings.   ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 19, 2007, 11:29:00 AM
I don't know about a conundrum because CWRU was stacking it against Sivek for most of that drive and were stacking the run from the start of the game for that matter.  And I worded it wrong, that fumble KILLED CMU's MO and gave CWRU the opportunity to get it back.  I don't know, I like our kickers chances from the 10 yd line in the 3rd quarter better than trying to kick it from the 30 to win it in OT.  Besides, he hasn't been kicking as poorly lately and the only way I see it not going in is a blocked kick.  And, OH YES.....Adams had a very off day compared to what I've seen him do punting the football.  I don't think I saw a single punt that looked like a Matt Adams' punt. 

For what its worth this season hasn't been a total drag for me because my brother is still playing good, consistant football.  I see him getting a lot of double teams.  I know, its a 3-4 and there are less people to block at the point of attack, but that's usually reserved for the NG.  I think teams are showing him some respect.  My brother might be listed at 245 but that's dripping wet with 10 pounds of lead in his shoes.  He's giving up anywhere from 50-100 pounds a week and he's still performing so I don't really have a reason to have my head down.  Yes, I would like to see the team doing better, but at this point those guys have to want it as much as my brother and some of the other guys do.  There is nothing I can say to change that.  I'm going to continue cheering them on and hope they win and my bro does well and stays healthy.  Other than that, its all up to the football gods!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2007, 03:51:55 PM
42-0 CWRU, Whalen didn't even finish the first half.  He was 13-17 with 1 TD.  Incredibly SIX QBs saw action.

Oh and they seem to have found something in preparing for CMU.  They ran 4 WB reverses for 29 yards.

509 yards 335 rushing

Way to go Tartans!!!  Still in the championship hunt!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2007, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 20, 2007, 03:51:55 PM
Way to go Tartans!!!  Still in the championship hunt!

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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
2-1 could be co-champs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2007, 05:05:30 PM
I just figured there would be a score associated with that somewhere. :) Got it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
Surprise...it was on the scoreboard.    :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 22, 2007, 09:14:38 AM
Gang,

What are your predictions for the Case v. Chicago game?

I say Case by about one TD.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2007, 06:28:48 PM
I'll be disappointed if CWRU doesn't hang at least a 21-0 horsecollar on them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 23, 2007, 02:10:28 PM
I wonder if MajorSpartan is playing it safe, not wanting to jinx anything.......if CMU bounced back against Chicago then I expect CWRU to keep on rollin' and win by at least two scores.  Obviously both games will have meaning this weekend as CWRU and WUStL are atop the heap and both are in UAA action.  I hope the Tartans can start a new streak, a winning streak.  Its going to be a tough game I believe, but I'll be there rootin them on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2007, 06:41:39 PM
I didn't promise or even predict that score.  Any W will be just fine, let's just get out of Chicago healthy!

Just saw CWRU is 26th in the AFCA's much maligned (deservedly) poll.  But I won't look a gift poll in the mouth.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 23, 2007, 07:41:50 PM
cwru70,

If we go 10-0, will we FINALLY get the post-season berth we were denied in 1984?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2007, 08:44:06 PM
Check out the Pool B thread in General Football.  Concensus there says yes.  It has even been suggested that a loss to WUStL might not be a death knell.

BTW have you seen that following the historic football recruiting year, basketball has 12 recruits!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 24, 2007, 06:54:11 AM
Hadn't noticed.

Is it on Case's basketball web page?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2007, 08:23:40 AM

That's where I saw the roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 24, 2007, 06:49:25 PM
Case is on a roll and Chicago just doesn't seem to have it this year. Wustl shuts down CMU's error-prone and predictable offense. My guess is CWRU by 28 and Wustl by 20.

Early prediction on the Case-Wash U game anyone?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
Maj--The #4 regional ranking pretty much says 10-0 guarantees the playoff, and maybe even a first round hosting!  Ala CMU last year.  Looks like a (regional) win-is-a-win-is-a-win to NCAA.  Wesley is the only one loss team ranked ahead of undefeated ones.  Before these rankings came out my dream paring would have been CWRU @ Cap. Now maybe Cap @ CWRU.

Welcome Buckshot184, where d'ya come from?  CWRU 21 at least.  CMU-WUStL I see a toss up.  Maybe a miniscule edge to da Bears.  Tartans got their swagger back.  On the off chance you are #18, as some clues suggest, you might want to talk to #8.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 24, 2007, 07:22:03 PM
If Cap loses to MUC on Saturday (VERY likely IMO), they are going to be extremely nervous on selection Sunday about making the playoffs at all.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2007, 09:09:31 PM
Cap loses to MUC (Very likely), well yeah.  But they made the dance in similar circumstances two years ago.  Not sure Otterbein can beat BW and JCU to finish 7-3 like that year though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 24, 2007, 10:12:51 PM
cwru,

True, but this year there are so many one-loss teams (at least so far) that ANY 2-loss team should be nervous.  I'd agree that Cap looks like they would be at (or very near) the top of the 2-loss list for a C.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2007, 10:41:06 PM
True, as I said Otterbein winning out is probably needed.

bs184   ;)  Perhaps you aren't #18.  My advice to #8 was it's not such a good idea for players to be posting and frowned upon by many coaches.  Score differential v Chicago: CMU 21, WUStL 21 and your game was in St Louis.  Chicago turned the ball over a bunch
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 24, 2007, 11:19:48 PM
The only thing that really scares me about this game is the fact that CMU has been prone to turning the ball over and WUStL is one of the best teams in the nation in forcing turnovers.  I believe they have a soph. named Tim Machan who is leading the nation with 7 picks.  I think he has a brother on the D-line who has been fantastic as well.

Yes cwru70 you are correct, Chicago turned it over 6 times against da Bears and 5 times against the Tartans.  As I've been harping.....play mistake-free football.  If CMU does that then they give themselves a good opportunity to win this game and hope for a share of the UAA.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2007, 06:54:39 PM
Turn-over margin has been a major Spartan improvement from last year.  Whalen has only 3 picks, but to were pick sixes and the third was also turned into a TD.  Fumbles haven't decreased as dramatically, but they've been fortunate to recover many of their own.

Who will QB the Tartans?  Pantalone hasn't done better than Facemyer.  Is Facemyer healthy?

Maj are you voting for Coach Debs in the Liberty Mutual CoY?  There's a link on the CWRU Athletics home page.  He's in 7th right now in DIII.

It's been raining most of the week in Chitown.  Glad they've got the rubber filled rug now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 25, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
cwru70,

I'll definitely have to look into voting.  Certainly no coach in the country has seen more improvement in his program than Coach Debaljak has at Case this year.

KUDOS TO HIM!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 25, 2007, 11:08:49 PM
To be quite honest, I don't think the QB position is a big concern for CMU right now......and that's a bad thing.  Against Chicago they had 279 total yards......ALL rushing.  I didn't even look to see how many times they attempted a pass because that said it all for me.  There has to be some type of QB play if they stand a chance of beating WUStL.  The Bears have a tough defense who can probably stuff the run pretty well if that's all the Tartans decide they're going to do.  I think limiting mistakes and playing great D might make up for it, but that is going to be tough as it is.  I'm just going to wait and see what happens on Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on October 26, 2007, 10:26:23 AM
To those who think he is worthy, as I do, please go to the following link and vote for  Case Western's Greg Debeljak as Liberty Muntual Coach of the Year.  Follow the below link and it will be quite easy,
4u

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Default.aspx (http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Default.aspx)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2007, 11:10:24 AM
Welcome back here 4u.

As I adived Maj above there's also a link from the CWRU athletics home page that has Coach's name prefilled.

In honor of the game in Chicago, I'm voting early and often!  Can we turn up the graveyard vote?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 26, 2007, 03:10:40 PM
cwru70,

I just voted for Coach D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 27, 2007, 03:51:50 PM
ANOTHER BLOWOUT!!!!

Case 35
UC 3

With WashU's loss, Case clinches at least a share of the UAA title. 

So you see, MajorSpartan's pre-season prediction of a UAA title for Case has proven correct.

Now, let's win these last two games at home, and roll into our first ever DIII playoff game!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 27, 2007, 08:16:55 PM
I say the only thing CWRU has going for them is the fact that the game is at home for them.  After watching WUStL play CMU today I definitely think the Bears are capable of forcing a three-way share of the title.  Good luck cracking that D Spartans cuz' you're going to need it.  It took 3 quarters and CMU's D setting up the O in good position to crack it in.  They have a really fast secondary who I think will match up well against CWRU's spread.  Go ahead and call me a hater everybody, but CMU could have easily won this outright and like I said, WUStL can definitely force a tie.  I hate to say it, but I'm rooting for the Bears.  I still hope CWRU gets into the playoffs though with a loss to WUStL.  It will only lend credence to the UAA in the future.  The way CMU's D has come along this year if they find a consistant, mistake-free O next year there may be a string of UAA playoff qualifiers.

By the way MajorSpartan, don't gloat over yourself.....I bet most people thought you were completely nuts IF and when you made this prediction.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 27, 2007, 11:03:05 PM
I voted in the pre-season poll for Case.

Not many others did.

As usual, MajorSpartan gets it right.

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
Great game Tartans!!!  Thanx for the help.  First championship for CWRU since 1996.  Tough loss Bears.

BDT, I understand your point of view.  CWRU-WUStL will be as close as the CWRU-CMU game.  It will pit two very strong Ds.  I give CWRU an edge for its O's diversity and being home.  WUStL is one more demon to exorcise this season.  CMU managed a big pass play against that secondary.   ;)  And Chicago gained 25% more yards against WUStL than they did against either CWRU or CMU.  The UAA only gains credence if it wins a playoff game.  CWRU needs to win out to get a 4 seed, which would enhance chances of a win.

Maj, you also predicted an NCAA playoff run for Spartan soccer.  They may only finish fourth in UAA.  This a great year for the football. team
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 28, 2007, 07:57:15 PM
cwru70,

Yeah, soccer has been taking its lumps.

But given that the UAA is arguably DIII's strongest men's soccer conference, I suspect that more than one UAA team will get a post-season bid, and we might still have a chance, however small.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 29, 2007, 09:47:23 AM
Yeah, that big pass play you're talking about.......I don't know how they got sucked up in the play-action because during that drive CMU was pounding it, pounding it, pounding it getting 1st downs all with the run.  I kept asking myself in the stands, "When's it coming?  When's it coming?"  Sure enough it came.  It's pretty much the same play CMU always runs when they want to try and hit a big play except this time the sell on the play-action was the best I've seen since I've been watching CMU.  That was Pantalone who hit that TD pass by the way.

I still think WUStL is going to be one pissed off ball club and ready to play for a share, only because they were sitting pretty good at 6-1 with the lone loss coming by way of Wheaton before Saturday's loss at Gesling.  The Spartan's big key should be limiting their turnovers against the Bears.  CMU did that by only turning the ball over once.  I'll tell you, the Bears D is fast and very aggressive and they will go for the strip on every single play from whistle to whistle.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on October 31, 2007, 12:43:40 PM
Well, I certainly must admit how wrong I was in my prediction of the CMU-Wustl game though I did figure CWRU to win big over Chicago. My congratulations to the Tartans for the big win and, in reading the game story and stats, it appears that with the exception of one lost fumble, they avoided turnovers and capitalized on big plays offensively and defensively. This has to take some of the sting out of earlier disappointing losses where turnovers and mistakes were the keys in defeat.

What a great showdown this weekend in Cleveland. Though I wish both teams luck, I have to admit I am pulling for the Spartans to keep their perfect season intact and finish strong with a playoff bid. That would be two years in a row for the UAA and counting. Though certainly, as BD said, it is going to be tough because Wash U is going to be highly motivated.

Good Luck to both teams!! And, best of luck to CMU and Chicago as they finish their seasons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 31, 2007, 05:29:57 PM
I just read on the Case website that the University President has declared Friday "Blue and White" day.  All faculty, staff, and students are encouraged to wear blue and white to show their support for the football team.

Gosh.  We NEVER had that kind of school spirit back in my time!

It's amazing what a winning football program can do for a school, even at the Division III level!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2007, 04:38:37 PM
Amazing what recruiting can do for a football program. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2007, 06:20:42 PM
Pat Coleman, the man of dry wit and long memory.   :D

The game in Cleveland will be a battle, but the Spartans have shown the ability to shake off its demons and the ability to rise from adversity (turnover caused deficits to Wooster and Carnegie Mellon) and win.  The game pits the #5 and #6 coaches in the LM vote.

[edit-make that #4 v # 6, as Coach Debs is todays top vote getter and has jumped over the legendary Coach Gagliardi into fourth]

Maj I don't get why it's blue and white not blue and gray.  I've been puzzled by the absence of gray, especially with the scarlet and gray down state and over in Lake County.  In the 70s they had gray helmets.  They need to include the men's soccer team in that celebration, too.  They have a big game against Rochester on Saturday as well.  They've managed to stay first in the Great Lakes region, but this is an important game for their playoff hopes.

Good games Tartans and Maroons.  And good game Bears, but you'll come up short.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 02, 2007, 10:27:28 AM
CMU @ Bethany tomorrow should be interesting whether folks think so or not.  The score and stats have never been indicative in this series but from what I've seen the last couple years and what I've heard, the Bisons always play the Tartans tough.  Not to mention the fact that I really enjoy Bethany's location.  Its nestled in the foothills of the Appalachians and it just has that down-home country high school vibe to the campus.  When my brother was a freshman and CMU played there everybody was so nice even if you were an opposing fan.  To be honest, the people and the place really remind me of my hometown.

Good luck Tartans.  And Maroons.......and the Bears.  Gotta pull for that share fellas, I'm sorry.  Not just that I guess, I really think WUStL can win, just as CMU was capable of putting the Spartans away.  Its just a matter of whether the Bears can pull the trigger and do it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2007, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 01, 2007, 06:20:42 PM
Pat Coleman, the man of dry wit and long memory.   :D

I'll second that! :) ;D


Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2007, 04:38:37 PM
Amazing what recruiting can do for a football program. :)

You've got that right, Pat! :)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
Looks like WUStL will be without the UAA's leading interceptor Tim Machan today.

Looks like the live video will be a slide show again this week.   ???

I thought this would be a low scoring game, but it's 7-6 CWRU after only 6 minutes!

Machan is in the game, wonder why he wasn't in the two-deep?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 03, 2007, 02:54:56 PM
YES!!!  YES!!!!  YES!!!!

35-27 BAY-BEE!!!!!!!

First win over Wash U. since my sophomore year of college (1991)!!!!!

First ever UNDISPUTED UAA title for Case!!!!

Come on fellas.  Let's whip OWU and get our first ever DIII playoff bid!!!

SPARTANS............TONIGHT..........WE DINE........IN HELL!!!!!

AHOO!!!  AHOO!!!  AHOO!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on November 03, 2007, 03:19:16 PM
Congrats to Case on a big win!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
Maj--Now you can gloat about your prediction.  Costly win though if Cowdrick is out.  Glad there's a barn full of quality WRs.

I still can't believe they punted on the last play.   What were they thinking?  I'm sure Whalen could run around for 6 ticks, then throw it away, take a knee, or take a safety.

Next week is for history!!!

Two Top 25 teams have lost and at least one is losing.  Could CWRU crack the "well respected"Top 25?

The stupidity of that punt gets worse.  PD reports Whalen was in on the tackle (although not credited in stats).

Forum in PD reports that Cowdrick has a fracture.   :(

Wheaton's loss should move CWRU to #3 in North Region (The only ranking that maters).  Beating the Bishops should mean hosting first round.

[As of Monday morning Coach Debs is #3 in the LM voting]



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on November 05, 2007, 08:43:29 AM
cwru70,
Does having a kid run around for six ticks, with a possibility of a fumble, make more sense than punting the ball down and out of bounds?  Yes, I am aware the ball did not go out of bounds, but I am quite certain that was the plan.  So here are some things to consider:

1) Case Western likely works on punting, punt coverage, and punting out of bounds weekly. 

2) I doubt CWRU works on having their QB/P run around for 6 seconds (with 50 yards of turf behind him)while HIGHLY securing the football with 11 defenders in hot pursuit.

Teams should do the things they are familiar with-- the things they practice.  Yes, in the future, maybe Case will work on that situation and approach it differently.  Good coaching staffs-- staffs that are 9-0-- do what they practice.  Sometimes it works; sometimes it does not.  Saturday, it ultimately worked.
Can you imagine what you would be saying had Whalen done an excellent job of eluding players for six seconds, lost his footing, only to fumble?  You probably would be saying, "they should do what they practice" or... "Why didn't they kick it out of bounds and give Wash U one play with 80-90 yards of field?"

Anyway, those are just my points to ponder...
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 05, 2007, 09:41:21 PM
4u--I respect you and your connection to the games is closer and more recent than mine and I agree that you ought to do what you've practiced rather than an ad hoc strategy.  But while punting and punt coverage have been practiced, I doubt that they've practiced against the rugby riot that was sure to ensue.  And there are negatives with the punt that did not happen; ie, fumble while putting the ball out for the punt or punt block.

Whalen got the snap at about the 30 and Washington was at the 46.  I'd guess Whalen's 40 time is no more than 5 sec.  If he gets the ball and runs straight to the end line there's one second left and at best the nearest WUStL player is at the goal line.  Given reaction time to stop the clock and no replay, he could step out with 0.5 left and time would expire.  I'd trust the ball to arguably my best athlete
who has demonstrated a great ability to scramble and has done well at holding on to the rock ather than the uncertainty of the rugby return.  If the punt had gone OB would WUStL still have had a chance to run a play?

To my mind, either way they're doing something that they haven't fully practiced.  It worked out and Whaelen didn't get hurt.  Whew!!! 

And whatever I think doesn't diminish the amazing job Coach Debs has done!!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 06, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
Congrats to Case......go get that playoff berth and see what you can do.

Maj. Spartan, I just want to let you know that you can have your cake and eat it too.....This year.  By the way, I am Greek and I didn't think you last comment was appropriate.  It's kind of proposterous to compare a football team to the ancient warriors from Sparta with their Pancracean fighting style.  I'm pretty sure a phalanx of Spartan warriors would not have liked to be compared to athletes.  Their lives were a matter of life or death.  They believed death in battle was the highest glory.  I don't think any football player wants to die during the course of a game.........

Now that the season is dying down and only a handful of teams will play an 11th game does anybody have any thoughts on post-season awards?  There seem to be a couple locks for UAA teams.  Such as Whalen, Brew, Sivek, Machan to name a few.  I'm willing to bet CWRU's coach will get similar accolades to Lackner in 06'.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on November 06, 2007, 10:43:36 AM
cwru70,
I believe the plan was to punt the ball out of bounds and potentially give WashU one more play with 70-80 yards to play.  I also believe Case works on punting the ball out of bounds; I did not suggest they worked on covering an onset of pitches.  The play did not work as planned-- much the way that having Whalen run around to kill the clock "could" have not worked as planned.
I realize there were other options.  They are insignificant now and Case is UAA champs.  I was simply defending a staff that I think has made miracles happen in Cleveland.
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Buckeyes75 on November 06, 2007, 02:06:39 PM
I was at every Chicago game and watched the Case WashU game via internet so here are my choices for all uaa based on watching each team once and some more than once.

First Team

QB- Whalen, Case
RB- Sivek and Gimson, CMU
WR- Nicely and Cowdrick, Case
TE- Emerson, Chi
T- Althouse, CMU
T- Reigle, WashU
G- O'Donnell, CMU
G- Zagorski, Case
C- Jeffries, Case
DE- Calderone, Case
DE- Kadarabek, Chi
DT- Reggie, CMU
DT- Machan, WashU
LB- Brew, Case
LB- Brown, Case
LB- Mcsparin, WashU
LB- Tiemeier, Case
CB- Leamy, Chi
CB- Machan, WashU
SS- Sholl, CMU
K- Coffey, Case
P- Adams, CMU

Second Team

QB- Smith, WashU
RB- Checkan, Case
RB- Glenn, WashU
WR- Albian, Chi
WR- Wolff, Chi
TE- Howenstein, WashU
T- Klucynski, Case
G- Breon, Case
C- Brooks, WashU
G- Meyer, CMU
T- Freeman, CMU
DE- Genovesi, Case
DE- Crites, CMU
DT- Gialessas, WashU
LB- Fernandez, Chi
LB- Elliot, WashU
LB- Bodnar, CMU
LB- Chlebina, Case
LB- Tuerscher, Case
CB- Bott, Case
CB- Brown, WashU
SS- Pelyak, Case
K- Verissimo, Chi
P- Whalen, Case

3-0 Case with 18- Best offense and Best defense
2-1 Mellon with 11 Great Rushing Attack Solid D
1-2 WashU with 11 Pretty Good front 7 on D
0-3 Chicago with 7 Kind of fell apart
Just my opinion as an outsider
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2007, 06:37:30 PM
I'd agree with most of those, a few I'll think about.

If you were at all of Chicago's (home I presume) games, you're hardly an outsider, just not a poster.

CWRU is 18th in AFCA and 26th in d3.com, but nowhere in that olD pHart's top 40.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
I think you're paying that ranking too much credence by even mentioning it in that context.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 06, 2007, 09:57:21 PM
I spoke with Dan Whalen after the game ... actually while having dinner at our house  (my son plays WR for Case) ;D... he said he was suppose to kick it out of bounds ... but they did discuss him turning around and running out of the end zone giving WashU a safety and running out the clock... but like was said before .. Case doesn't do anything they haven't practiced.... which is a good way to play... it's hard to second guess a Coach who has taken his team to a 9-0 record .... still made for an exciting end to a great game ...   :o

GO SPARTANS!!!  GO BLUE!!!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2007, 10:49:33 PM
OK, I shouldn't quibble about a W.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 07, 2007, 12:48:53 AM
I wonder if Buckeyes75 was considering past experience with those lists?  I would assume since he didn't see everybody all the time.  I've seen the majority of CMU's games and Mike Reggie is having nowhere near the year he had last year.  Does he deserve 1st team based on what he's done in the past??  Brew isn't having the year statistically he did in 06' but CWRU has had an outstanding year.  Also, Kadarabek is listed as a NG on the Chicago roster so I'm guessing you would drop Reggie down to 2nd team, move Kadarabek to 1st team DT and most likely fill that DE spot on 1st team with Hauffe or Crites from CMU.  Which I'm surprised Buckeye didn't even mention Hauffe who along with Crites is right in the mix with the top DL in the UAA in sacks and TFL.  CMU has had 18 sacks this year and Hauffe and Crites have combined for 2/3 of that total.  Secondly, you have to wonder if the coaches put more emphasis on UAA games.  I'm assuming if you performed well against the rest of the UAA or were a thorn in the coaches sides as far as limiting them to what they want to do then I can see them giving more recognition to those players.  Lastly, I know from last year that the champs are most likely going to get more players selected whether they are actually better than some players in the UAA or not.  There were a couple selections last year from CMU that had me scratching my head because I knew there were some better players not getting any love, which is about the only love you receive in the UAA.  Its not a power conference so their teams aren't going to get a lot of respect when it comes to Regional teams or All-America.  Yes, I know you have to be a damn good football player to join that company, but I've been watching the UAA for three years now and I've seen a few who deserved consideration.

By the way, Sivek is now 20th in career scoring in NCAA Div. III history with 348 points.

Wash. and Lee coming to Gesling this weekend and its the last game Tartans, let's finish strong and learn an important lesson from this season.  Good Luck Tartans!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 07, 2007, 07:46:16 AM
BD,

We smoked 'em in our last game from 2006, so I expect you guys to carry the UAA banner and smoke 'em as well!

Let 'em know we're the wrong conference to mess with!

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
here's to a UAA sweep this week.  Help CWRU's OWP!

PD reports Whalen questionable.

PoppaN we are grateful to have your son at CWRU.  Any chance for your nephew in a couple of years?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 09, 2007, 05:51:57 PM
Whalen is questionable????

Since when????

Uh-oh.  This could be problematic.

I've seen us with Mirando in the game, and we are NOT the same offense without Whalen.

When did he get hurt, and what's the nature of his injury?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2007, 06:37:42 PM
bruised knee...seems I remember a play last week where he got up a bit gimpy.  Yeah Mirando is a good QB, but not quite Whalen.  At least he's gotten his share of snaps with the first unit.

Report is in today's PD. 

http://www.cleveland.com/ohiocollegesports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1194601228307530.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 09, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
Danny will not dress for the game ... his health is more important than this game ... hopefully he will be back should Case go to the playoffs ..... I can tell you he is very upset not to be able to finish this season .... :'(

Angelo is very capable of leading the offense ... he is a very intellegent QB .... although he doesn't have the running abilities of Danny ... he will not disappoint you .... he has had enough reps at QB and I feel once he gets in the flow of the game his talents will show.... we parents believe in all the players on this squad ... and so do the players ...

Thanks CWRU70 ... Shaun LOVES being at Case .... both athletically and academically ....  ;D

Man I wish my nephew would choose Case ... I talk with him about his choices ... but it is his choice not mine .... darnit ...  ;D ...

GO CASE!!!! GO SPARTANS!!!! GO BLUE!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 09, 2007, 11:42:53 PM
Tough to hear about all the injuries at Case.  Hopefully the team can stay focused and the backups can step in and perform.  Now that the UAA schedule is concluded I am pulling for all the conference teams as we try to up the conference's reputation in Division 3.  Go Case, get that playoff berth and see if we can make it two years in a row with a playoff victory for the UAA.

Bed time now.  Might be the last game of my career tomorrow...better make it count.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 10, 2007, 08:49:46 AM
This was a great year in the UAA.  I think if you replayed the games between the top three eight times could could expect eight different outcomes.  The top three seemed that close to me.

Good luck to the seniors in your final games and in life after football.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 10, 2007, 04:02:46 PM
CWRU plays well enough to win.  Wabash loses as does Wheaton.  Could Spartans be a 2 seed?

Great win CMU and WUStL and Chicago.

CWRU opponents go 6-4 today, so that will help in the selection process.

FR Sam Coffey's second GW FG sets CWRU season record for FGs w/10.  He also set record for PATs with 47--only one miss (45 straight).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 10, 2007, 07:55:42 PM
If Case could win today, despite missing their top QB and receiver, and being outgained, then they definitely deserve a bid.

The best teams figure out ways to win.  Case definitely did that today, and as such, established itself as a great team.

Great teams deserve playoff bids.

SPARTANS........TONIGHT.......WE DINE.......IN HELL!!!

P.S. Case won the de facto NCAC title as well by completing a perfect 5-0 season against NCAC teams.

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotLass on November 10, 2007, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 10, 2007, 07:55:42 PM

P.S. Case won the de facto NCAC title as well by completing a perfect 5-0 season against NCAC teams.

;)

Ummmm...congrats on winning the UAA and an opportunity to head to the playoffs, ;) but to win the NCAC, de facto or otherwise, would require you playing 7 conference teams. It's a bit of a stretch for you since Wabash is 7-0 and Witt 6-1 in conference and of course you haven't played either of them as every team in the top 2/3 of the real NCAC has (ummmm...even Hiram at 0-10 has). Got to compare apples to apples before you start claiming anything beyond what you have earned  ::)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 11, 2007, 12:15:58 PM
Congrats to Case on the playoff berth.  Make it two straight years with a playoff victory for the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on November 11, 2007, 04:45:24 PM
Congrats to CWRU for a great undefeated season and a no.2 seed in the playoffs. We are pulling for you to get a first round win for the program and the UAA. Also, congrats to the other UAA schools for fine seasons. So many schools now are finding out the tough football played in this league by outstanding student athletes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2007, 06:35:38 PM
ScotLass--Maj meant the "original" NCAC.   ;)  If CWRU gets by Widener they'll get the chance to play Wabash.  Hope Whalen can get back to close to 100%.

Widener is a very worthy opponent.  Definitely a "name" program.  Made the semis in 2000 and won two national championships.  Haven't had a losing season since who knows when.  A "W" would definitely boost the UAA rep!

I saw them play at Wittenberg in the 1979 playoffs.  A game Witt won on a last second 40+ yard FG.

Looks like D is their strength as they average scoring fewer than 20 ppg.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 11, 2007, 06:56:46 PM
cwru70,

Judging by what you just said, that might be an advantage in our favor, IF we get Whalen back.

We have a very good defense of our own, and if their offense is that bad, we might shut them down.

The only question is whether we can put our #1 offense on the field, one that can generate enough points to win.  I'm sure that we can do that with Whalen.  I'm not as confident otherwise.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotLass on November 11, 2007, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 11, 2007, 06:35:38 PM
ScotLass--Maj meant the "original" NCAC.   ;) 

Oh, okay.

Quote from: MajorSpartan on October 27, 2007, 03:53:04 PM
Gang,

I'd still make the argument that Case should be awarded the NCAC title if we beat OWU.

After all, we'll be 5-0 against the NCAC at that point.

Incidentally, we rolled to 8-0 with a 35-3 win over Chicago today, and clinched at least a share of the UAA title.

;) From this post on the NCAC board I gathered we were talking current NCAC.
Best wishes against Widener and again congrats on what Case has earned.  ;)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 11, 2007, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 10, 2007, 07:55:42 PM
P.S. Case won the de facto NCAC title as well by completing a perfect 5-0 season against NCAC teams.

You seriously have to let this go.  You didn't win squat. 

If it weren't for the fact that I really don't want to drive to Cleveland, I'd be pulling real, real hard for a Wabash/CWRU game so that this nonsense could get put to rest. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2007, 09:09:50 PM
Wally--we all know that's a foolish boast.  [CWRU would only be co-champ   ;)]

But 10-0, soundly beating the third place NCAC team and of of the fourth place teams including (w/out starting QB and #1 WR) OWU who played Witt pretty tough and beating a team that beat North Central is a bunch more than squat!  Oh yeah CWRU won both its trophy games.  Maybe you're just ticked you lost the Bell and the NCAA seeded CWRU higher.

Hope to settle it on the field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 11, 2007, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 11, 2007, 09:09:50 PM
Maybe you're just ticked you lost the Bell

You really have no idea...but that couldn't be less relevant to my gripe here. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2007, 10:57:54 PM
CWRU's site has that they will be streaming video of the playoff game v Widener.

Pat if I remember correctly you have said that broadcasting a playoff game is difficult to work out.  Is that likely to happen?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 12, 2007, 09:11:04 AM
I'll just throw this in on this little discussion.  There is no doubt that CWRU would have competed for the NCAC had they actually been it this year, but they are not so let's throw every single thing MajorSpartan says out the window.  At times it seems as if he needs a brain filter to stop all the garbage from coming forth, but this is America.  Secondly, to wally-wabash......I don't care who you are, what you know, or anything else.  Last year, Millsaps beat Trinity, a perennial power no less, and I'm sure everybody assumed that they would beat CMU in the playoffs because of who both teams played in the regular season.  Do you happen to remember the result??  21-0 CMU.  By the way Spartan fans, good luck, but be prepared for a large dose of humble pie the deeper you get as the Tartans found out at Welsey.  I say put up or shut up, which means let's see what happens on the field.  I could care less, but I've learned a few things this year and I'll just let them settle it on the field.

By the way, it's my understanding that CMU has a chance to play in an ECAC bowl game.  That information will be released today supposedly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUDLINE on November 12, 2007, 10:00:38 AM
Congrats to CWRU on your playoff bid. Boy the NCAA really threw us all a curve yesterday. I will be making the trip out to Cleveland this week to watch WU and CWRU play, and I was wondering what to expect? How are they as a team, what are the facilities like, and can anyone give me a weather report?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 11, 2007, 10:57:54 PM
CWRU's site has that they will be streaming video of the playoff game v Widener.

Pat if I remember correctly you have said that broadcasting a playoff game is difficult to work out.  Is that likely to happen?

They've made it a little easier, I think, on the NCAA process end. What's most difficult, as we found with D3Cast work this year, is setting up video in a new place on a week's notice, but since Case has been doing it all year this should be much easier.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 12, 2007, 12:48:53 PM
CMU will host Gettysburg College in an ECAC game this week on Saturday.

Good chance to help out the UAA's reputation; if CMU and Case both win, victories over the MAC and Centennial would be a nice statement for the quality of the four-team conference.

Of course, losses will have the opposite effect...

So let's win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on November 12, 2007, 01:14:10 PM
Congratulations to Case Western.  Good luck in playoffs.  I think you will surprise some teams in the playoffs just like CMU did last year. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aueagle on November 12, 2007, 03:40:35 PM
Congrats to CWRU for an outstanding season and win versus Ohio Wesleyan.
Major Spartan/CWRU70: We're you at the game?
Rematch at Selby Oct 18, 2008
Good Luck in the playoffs
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 12, 2007, 08:41:37 PM
aueagle,

No, I wasn't at the game.

I'm stationed in TX.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUDLINE on November 12, 2007, 09:15:25 PM
cwru 70 -
Thanks for the info. It is much appreciated. sorry to hear about your WR and QB. I hope Whalen can play. It would be a shame to work so hard to get to this point and not be able to play. From your analysis it appears as if both teams have a strong D that specializes in turnovers, pressure, and speed. It should be quite an interesting afternoon for those of us that like to watch good D. It will be interesting to see how the level of competition from the two conferences match up. It is my understanding from certain posters on your board that CWRU is not as respected as they should be after a 10-0 season. I know that WU is experiencing the same thing after a down year for some of their MAC competitors.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 13, 2007, 07:35:36 AM
WUDLINE,

For one thing, our schedule this year was not the toughest.  For another, the UAA isn't generally known as a football conference (it only has four football playing members; Rochester plays football in another conference).  And finally, Case has never made the Division III playoffs before, was only 5-5 last year, and the so-called "experts" did not forecast Case to be a playoff caliber team during the pre-season.

For all those reasons, our 10-0 finish may seem flukish to outsiders, and not get the level of respect that it deserves.

Hopefully, our starting QB will be back this Saturday, and we'll earn the respect that we deserve by advancing past the first round.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bman on November 13, 2007, 10:20:01 PM
There you are WUDline...I was wondering where you went...

I have to say, that although I have been on these boards since (almost) the beginning...I have never been on this one.   An odd and improbable match-up, but I think a fun one nonetheless...

Good luck to the Spartans this weekend, and safe travels to you DLine....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUDLINE on November 13, 2007, 11:00:47 PM
Bman -
I decided to stay off the east boards as much as possible in a silent protest to our removal from the east (mount union) bracket. ;) Just kidding. I figured I would find out a little about the competition and fan base that we have the pleasure of celebrating our return to the post season with. Seems to be a pretty nice bunch, and Case appears to be a program much like our own. A Strong D,  good special teams.They have quality skilled kids on O, and good coaching it should be a nice game to watch. Have fun at Dutch Wonderland, divorce is to expensive, I will have a cold one for you in Cleveland.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerwu on November 14, 2007, 08:45:44 AM
WUDline - When in Cleveland head down to "The Flats."  Lots of things to do, and easy to get to.  Not sure how far it is away from CWR campus.  A little help here.

Bman - I'll be in Camden for our final reg season midget game.  Gametime is 12noon.  Will get home as quick as possible to catch what I can on the live stream.  Dude, didn't you already go to DW once this year?  BTW - I did get the Wii and won $180 later that night.  Woohoo.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bman on November 14, 2007, 09:44:38 AM
FormerWu

I'll come early to the next poolhouse excursion to check it out (unless it's a Christmas thing...)

WUDLine  I'll take that beer (in spirit)

CWRU folks, I went to a Widener/Christopher Newport U game, when CNU was a new program, and made the playoffs for the first time(I'm sure WUDline remembers very well ;), and talked with tons of CNU parents and fans prior to the game.  They were so excited to be part of the playoffs, and even after when it wasn't a good outcome for them, they had a great time with it.

It was a great lesson for me(and should be for everyone)...   I for one am going to enjoy this, regardless of the outcome...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 14, 2007, 06:12:04 PM
QuoteWUDline - When in Cleveland head down to "The Flats."  Lots of things to do, and easy to get to.  Not sure how far it is away from CWR campus.  A little help here
Depends on which side of town you stay on . ;) From the Campus area it is 5 minutes away.
I would suggest a stop to the Rock Hall of Fame also. :o

Should you care for Italian Cuisine it is a walk away from the campus. Located in " Little Italy" . My favorite is Mama Santo's . :P

The Coventry area has Restaurants and shops which is located 5 minutes from the Campus also(by vehicle). I enjoy the Mongolian Barbecue at Coventry or Cosmic Daves Subs for lunch. They have some neat shops to browse. 8)

While on Campus you may want to stop by the Thwing Center and visit Whackadoo's for a light meal and beverages.
Now that the tour is over please exit the bus in an orderly fashion. ;D

Just thought I could add a few extra options for your stay.

Congratulations Spartans and Good Luck to all participants in D3 Playoffs.

GO CASE !!!! GO SPARTANS !!!! GO BLUE !!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2007, 07:12:16 PM
I'd second (and third) the recommendation of Mama Santa's.  It's upMayfield Rd, but parking is tough in Little Italy, so you may want to walk from campus-just a few blocks.  It's been there since the 60s

[Maybe Frank knows if Warren Lahr and his Deke brothers ate there.]

Don't go if you're in a hurry though.  And it isn't very large.  Last fall I had a 45 min wait for pizza.  Pizza is great, not too thin not to thick.  Homemade pasta to die for.

The Flats is a down from what it once was IMHO.  The new, hotter area is Warehouse Dist. W 3rd & 4th.  Walking distance from Sheraton on Public Sq.

Wackadoos is named for the sandwich they used to sell at the now-defunct Commadore Deli. It wold be know to you Philly folks as a "grinder" I believe.  Or are they heros in Philly?

So much for the Gallavanting Gourmand...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 14, 2007, 09:03:50 PM
formerwu,

When I was up in Cleveland a few months ago, the Flats had pretty much shut down.  The Improv and a few restaurants are still open in the West Flats, but the East Flats looked like one great big abandoned building with a "for lease" sign on it.

It almost broke my heart.

If you're looking for night life, the places to go are the Warehouse District, which is downtown a few blocks from the Flats, or Coventry Village.  There are some good microbreweries in the Warehouse District.  The area by Jacobs Field also has a few good pubs.

If you're out at CWRU, eat at "That Place" restaurant, or Club Isabella, both very nice high-end establishments right there in University Circle.  If you head down to Little Italy, try Mama Santos, as has been previously mentioned.

Stop for coffee on the South side of campus at the Algebra Tea House, and on the North Side at the Arabica Cafe.

cwru70,

Is there any more word on whether Whalen will start at QB?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bman on November 15, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 14, 2007, 07:12:16 PM
...
Wackadoos is named for the sandwich they used to sell at the now-defunct Commadore Deli. It wold be know to you Philly folks as a "grinder" I believe.  Or are they heros in Philly?

So much for the Gallavanting Gourmand...
In Philly, we have "subs" typically cold deli sandwiches on long rolls.  We do have "Grinders", but with the exception of a few places (and FF places like Quiznos) they are not prevalent.  Hero's are a NY sandwich (I believe)...
The hot sandwich of choice in the Philly area of course is the Cheesesteak...everyone has their own preference, but I am a fan of Jim's steaks (on South street) rather than the popular tourist destinations of Pat's and Geno's...

ok now I am hungry...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2007, 03:17:19 AM
Gang,

Here is a VERY interesting article on what the emphasis is at Case.

Pat Coleman didn't want to believe me when I told him how non-seriously sports were taken back when I was at Case in the early 90s.

Well, we might be recruiting better athletes now (which I attribute to an increase in overall enrollment, that just HAPPENED to create a larger potential athlete pool, and which he attributes more to some systematic recruiting program by the coaches).  HOWEVER, that being said, certain things STILL haven't changed.

Back when I was in school, not only did most sports hold open tryouts, just like a high-school athletic program, but moreover, it was considered perfectly all right to miss sports practices for academic reasons.  In fact, you'd be amazed at how sparse athletic practices seemed in many sports.  I can personally remember walking by football practices and seeing barely enough people there for the team to conduct full-blown scrimmages.  I had a fraternity brother that received a varsity letter in fencing (which has since been demoted to club sport status) that rarely showed up except for the meets/tournaments.

Not sure if more people attend practices now, but the part about it being perfectly OK to miss practice for academic reasons has definitely NOT changed.

This week, a couple of starters missed practice to study organic chemistry.  And we've got a PLAYOFF game this week.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Read on.

FOOTBALL READY FOR FIRST ROUND OF NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP...
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CLEVELAND, OH - It's hard to describe in words what this Saturday's football game at Case Western Reserve University Field means.  Maybe it's that the ivory walls of academia can co-exist with the green grass of the gridiron or simply that hard work pays off. For Spartans Head Coach Greg Debeljak it could mean good things come to those who wait.
"We had a practice last night without a couple starters on defense because they had a review session for organic chemistry," Debeljak explained.  "My new coaches were commenting 'don't they know it's the playoffs' and I told them 'it doesn't matter – it's just part of being an athlete here.'"
No. 15 ranked Case Western Reserve will only be missing players to injury when it makes its first NCAA Division III playoff appearance Saturday at 12:00 p.m. for a first round game against visiting Widener University (8-2), which has won two national championships (1977 & 1988) and made 12 NCAA postseason appearances (Game Notes: Case -- Widener).
Debeljak, a 2007 Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year candidate (VOTE HERE!), has been patient.  He served 15 years as an assistant before getting his shot.  The Mentor, Ohio native spent 12 years as an assistant at his alma mater, John Carroll University, and three seasons as an associate head coach at Case Western Reserve before being named the Spartans skipper in 2004.
"A lot of people are patting me on the back for this year," Debeljak said.  "I'm grateful the team is getting recognition, but I am the same guy I was four years ago when I took the job.  I haven't changed and the reason I'm doing it hasn't.  I enjoy the type of student-athlete I get to work with at this level.
Case Western Reserve finished 5-5 twice (2004 & 2006) and 3-7 (2005) during Debeljak's first three seasons.  Considering the Spartans had only posted one winning record in 15 years prior to this season, this year's 10-0 regular season mark, first outright University Athletic Association championship and first NCAA playoff berth is quite a leap.
"It took awhile, but we stayed the course," Debeljak explained.  "We believed in what we were doing and built it the right way.  We got the right kids in here by recruiting hard and (assistant coaches) Marcus [Macalla], Derek [Slesh] and Tom [Kauffman] did a good job with that."
Having coached in the NCAA playoffs twice before at John Carroll, Debeljak knows exactly what's at stake - if you lose, you're out.  But the Spartans will not do anything different on the field and why should they?  They enter Saturday ranked 24th in the country in scoring offense (36.5 avg.), 14th in scoring defense (14.1 avg.) and 10th in turnover margin (1.6 avg.).
"Will there be a little more intensity?  Maybe," Debeljak said.  "But I thought the Carnegie Mellon game was pretty intense, the Washington University game was pretty intense and the Ohio Wesleyan game was very intense because we knew we had to win to make it to this point."
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ... Saturday's game is an NCAA event and they dictate the ticket prices (no presale) and game day procedures.  General admission is $8.00 and college students will be charged $4.00.  A generous contribution from Case Western Reserve's Office of Student Affairs has lowered Case student ticket prices to $2.00 at the gate and if you are one of the first 500 students at the gate, USG has provided $1,000 in funding to make your ticket free!  The game will be simulcast (audio & video) live at www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast.  There will be no local radio due to previous scheduled programming.
WIN FREE FOOD AT THE GAME ... The University revealed its new Spartan mascot uniform this fall and boy is it a beauty.  Do you think you can still do better with a white sheet, a broom and some aluminum foil?  Put your creativity to the test Saturday at the game.  The Athletic Department will bring the top five Spartan costumes down from the stands on to the track at halftime and allow the crowd [by its applause] to pick the winner.  That person will received a food and drink party for 10 courtesy of one of the Spartans' corporate partners.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 03:29:06 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 16, 2007, 03:17:19 AM
Gang,

Here is a VERY interesting article on what the emphasis is at Case.

Pat Coleman didn't want to believe me when I told him how non-seriously sports were taken back when I was at Case in the early 90s.

Well, we might be recruiting better athletes now (which I attribute to an increase in overall enrollment, that just HAPPENED to create a larger potential athlete pool, and which he attributes more to some systematic recruiting program by the coaches).  HOWEVER, that being said, certain things STILL haven't changed.

What's interesting is that the coaches themselves agreed with me and asked you to stop posting about it.

The item you highlighted in the story is not unusual in Division III, hate to tell you.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2007, 08:27:01 AM
No one has disagreed with your perception of the bad old days.  But your experience compared to what is happening now represents how things have changed on a paradigm.  The Observer article from last year reported on recruiting efforts. 

CWRU is a more attractive place now and is attracting more students, but quality student athletes aren't just showing up.  They are being recruited.  Look at basketball.  The men's team has twelve recruits (a huge increase over past years), but the women's team which hired its new coach very late in the recruiting process only attracted three.  The coaches had to recruit from the student body.  http://observer.case.edu/Archives/Volume_40/Issue_11/Story_2208/

This next article states that four years ago was the first time CWRU recruited for soccer.

http://blog.case.edu/varsity/

Lots of things are looking up at CWRU, but the teams haven't achieved with just who showed up...recruiting is responsible.  And all evidence points to that fact.  That you choose to ignore the facts diminishes the efforts that coaches have made to build the teams.  Why you choose to ignore the facts is a mystery.  You can recruit and still keep academics first.  In fact that would be a recruiting point. 

Let it go.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2007, 08:48:10 AM
OK.  I'll admit that I'm wrong about the state of athletics at Case as it currently exists.  But I won't change my views about how athletics at Case were back in the early 90s, because I personally witnessed everything that I've described here.

I guess times have changed from back in my day.  In know that soccer didn't recruit back in my time, because two of my fraternity brothers went out for the soccer team's open tryout, and in women's soccer, I was in ROTC with a girl that joined the women's soccer team in her sophomore year, more or less out of nowhere.

Apparently soccer, and just about every other sport at Case, has started true recruiting of athletes while in high school.

For the first time ever, I'm going to assume that that is the reason why our athletic teams have suddenly gotten so much better.

I'll let it go. 

Apparently the high schoolish attitude that pervaded Case athletics during my time has been replaced with a true commitment to being competitive, at least at the Division III level.

But I still wonder about two things:

1) Is anyone recruited to Case primarily to play sports?  I mean, don't athletes still have to have SAT scores and high school grades somewhere within Case's ballpark?  Or do they make some exceptions for athletes?

and

2) To what extent is regular attendance at practice now expected?  I mean, this article indicates that missing practices for academic reasons is still an acceptable custom (not that there's anything wrong with that!), but I wonder if today's Case athletic teams have 90+% of team members at every practice.  I'm not convinced that that was the case back in my time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2007, 09:44:45 AM
That was then, this is now.

I'm pretty sure the answer to 1) is no. 

"Case has 18 starters who are not freshmen, and 13 of the 18 have at least a 3.0 GPA."

As to 2):

"At a recent practice, Debeljak was missing 12 players because they had a big chemistry test. On Tuesday, they don't work out until 7 p.m. so players can do their lab projects in the afternoon." 

Both quotes from Terry Pluto in today's PD.  The Spartans have attracted not just the local college sports beat writer, but in a main column.

As I recall a couple of years ago they practiced at daybreak because of academic schedules.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 16, 2007, 09:46:28 AM
Major,

I'll answer your 2 questions.  I attend Carnegie Mellon, but I suspect that things are virtually identical at the two schools based on the kids that were recruited to go to both places and the kids I've interacted with on the Case team.

1) No one is recruited to CMU primarily to play sports.  The coaches recruit only athletes that are capable of getting into the school and maintaining good academic standing.  Our coaches have always been proud that for the last several years the football team's average GPA is higher than the school-wide average.  I'd suspect that the situation is the same at Case - kids that are good athletes AND good students will be recruited, but missing one of those components will probably keep the coaches away.

2) At CMU, regular attendance at practice is fully expected unless you have communicated with the coach that you have a class or review session that cannot be moved.  At CMU there is an "academic moratorium" from 4:30 to 6:30 in which no academic classes or review sessions are supposed to be held; if a professor holds something during that time he/she is required to offer an equivalent at another time that athletes can attend.  Attendance at practices here is generall 95% or better...I suspect it's the same at Case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aueagle on November 16, 2007, 09:55:42 AM
Good Luck to CWRU on Saturday...It's nice to know that you can have great academics & athletics together....and win..and get into the playoffs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 16, 2007, 09:56:47 AM
This argument again?!?  Really??  Come on, haven't we established that recruiting is a very important part of the success DIII teams have?  

I'll tell you this much MajorSpartan, if the coach and the school have something worked out then I assume its okay to recruit a prospective student-athlete who falls just short of meeting the schools academic standards.  IF it can help an athletic team.  Don't forget that these sports do generate some type of money for the school.  In fact, a tidbit about my bro at CMU.....I remember Lackner worrying about my bro's ACT scores coming out of high school because his top score fell a bit short of CMU's standards, but they worked it out and now my brother is a starter and carries a very high GPA at CMU.  Sometimes coaches can find a kid out there who is a hard worker but maybe doesn't score the highest on tests or anything like that.

CWRU's athletic teams wouldn't be where they are now if it wasn't for recruiting.  They would be where they were back in your day MajorSpartan.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2007, 10:00:09 AM
From the playoff pickem OAC board.  The spread is CWRU +4.5.   The spread influenced by uncertainty about Whalen I'd guess.

The picks to date:  CWRU 13   Widener  9  Interesting that some picking Widener don't know how to spell the name.

Good luck Tartan and the rest of the Tartans in your post season game.  UAA all the way!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aueagle on November 16, 2007, 10:07:34 AM
Also, the ingredient at Case has been the commitment to facilities and staff....that goes a long way in putting up W's on the field....
Re: Recrruiting...all I know about CWRU football recruiting is what my coaching buddies have told me in NE Ohio...They know who Debeljak, Macalla, Kaufman and Slesh are and what they do with their program...It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they know about Case...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2007, 10:36:40 AM
Gang,

I just read the article that cwru70 mentioned.  It's a GREAT story.

The Seniors on this team observed more or less what I did back in my time: VERY small athletic crowds, and near total disinterest in athletics by the school and its students, whenever they first arrived.

Things have really changed!

Here it is:

Case Western Reserve football opens eyes, along with books Terry Pluto
Friday, November 16, 2007

Case has 18 starters who are not freshmen, and 13 of the 18 have at least a 3.0 GPA. Tackle Chris Center and linebacker Ben Chlebina lead the way at 3.6. So it's not like the coaching staff is turning Case into a football factory where the books are sacked for extra time in film room. At a recent practice, Debeljak was missing 12 players because they had a big chemistry test. On Tuesday, they don't work out until 7 p.m. so players can do their lab projects in the afternoon.

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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: TartanFann on November 17, 2007, 08:42:41 AM
Good Luck Spartans.

Hosting a playoff game is special, make the most of it.

I would come to the game, but CMU is hosting a ECAC game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 17, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
The "experts" are betting against us 2-1.

I hope that they're wrong!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2007, 03:23:54 PM
Wow CWRU and CMU win by identical scores.
UAA all the way!!

Amazing performance by Whalen at the end.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 17, 2007, 10:12:57 PM
GREAT WIN!!!!

Case's Cinderella season continues!

We play Wabash next, right?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 17, 2007, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 17, 2007, 10:12:57 PM
GREAT WIN!!!!

Case's Cinderella season continues!

We play Wabash next, right?

I believe that's correct MS.  Congrats to Case.  10-0 and now hosting a 2nd playoff game.  Great job.  Enjoy the ride...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2007, 10:38:07 PM
11-0
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 17, 2007, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 17, 2007, 10:38:07 PM
11-0

Sorry...I was talking about regular season.  Let me rephrase...Perfect regular season and now hosting a 2nd playoff game.  Enjoy the ride. 

Best of luck.  Keep it rolling Case. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on November 18, 2007, 08:25:01 AM
Congratulations to Case Western and Carnegie Mellon on your huge come from behind wins yesterday. "Unusual suspect"? I hope not any more. This is now the second year in a row the UAA has won a first round playoff game. Last year CMU shut out Millsaps. When will the good football being played in this league be recognized? Case runs the table and Carnegie is but a few turnovers and a dropped 2-point conversion from another great season. And WUStl has shown for years that it can play, too. These schools can compete against all but the elite in D-III. Good Luck against Wabash, CWRU!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2007, 10:11:14 AM
Congrats to CWRU on a terrific game.  After our comeback win yesterday I thought it was one of the most exciting comebacks I could imagine - then I come home to see that Case pulled out an even more stunning victory than we had!

Great job guys and good luck.  I am now ex-TartanPlayer, but I still will pull for Carnegie Mellon and the UAA for years to come!  Two straight years with a playoff win - we are the "nerdy league" no more...now we are the "nerdy league that's good at football"!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2007, 03:50:57 PM
UAA is know as being good in almost every other sport.  No reason it shouldn't be in football as well.

I think CWRU will fare better against Wabash than CMU did againt Wesley last year, if only becasue of a more balanced attack.  I'm not saying the Spartans will win, but I'd be surprised by a blowout.

The spread on OAC Pickem is 17.5 pts.  I think they should cover that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 18, 2007, 07:32:13 PM
How good will we be over the next two years with Whalen back for his Jr. and Sr. seasons?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2007, 10:25:30 PM
At least Six VIPs will not be back next year.  But what was said after Appl St beat Mich, was with the spread any team with a good qb and wrs can beat almost anybody.

But this year's not over yet!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 19, 2007, 03:02:46 AM
I took a look at the starting lineup for the Widener game, and I see MANY returning starters both ways.

We lose Zagorski and Jeffries on offense, and we lose Brew and Teurtschner on defense.

QB   5  Whalen, Dan (returning)
FB   31 Checkan, Corey (returning)
TB   25 Meyer, Greg (returning)
WR   83 Kolesar, Ryan (returning)
WR   86 Nicely, Shaun (returning)
LT   74 Kluczynski, Mar (returning)
LG   73 Zagorski, Tom
C    72 Jeffries, Brand
RG   62 Breon, Ryan (returning)
RT   71 Center, Chris (returning)
TE   80 Pfieffer, Micha (returning)

POS  ## DEFENSE
DE   97 Calderone, Bria (returning)
NG   64 Mey, Jake (returning)
DE   55 Genovesi, Gian (returning)
OLB  17 Chlebina, Ben (returning)
ILB  29 Tuertscher, Mik
ILB  15 Brew, Tom
ILB  36 Brown, Jeff (returning)
OLB  24 Tiemeier, John
CB   20 Bott, Bobby (returning)
CB   7  Goncalves, Luiz (returning)
FS   33 Pelyak, Mike (returning)

P Whalen (returning)
K Calderone (returning)

WOW!!!!  By my count, that's NINE returning offensive starters, EIGHT returning defensive starters, and BOTH kicking specialists returning, plus the WR Cowdrick, who is very likely the Freshman of the Year in the UAA.

I'd say that, based on that, we could make a very, VERY deep run in the Division III playoffs next season.

WATCH OUT MT. UNION!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 19, 2007, 07:48:20 AM
Those five have all been All-UAA selections.  I'm pretty sure Mirando has eligibility left (grandfathered redshirt Fr year at Valparaiso) but was recognized at senior day.  So he may not be coming back to backup.  Calderone's eligibility is a question mark to me.  Not sure what his status was at Mich Tech.  Brenda Jones I do believe is also a grandfathered redshirt from UMass.

Nick Spring (started at LT first two games last year before injured) retutned at least for the OWU game and dressed for Widener.  He will mitigate the loss of Zagorski and Jeffries.

Let's not go overboard with talk of Mt. Union (or even Whitewater).  Let's get past Wabash first.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2007, 08:57:19 AM
Major,

A few points:

1.  Enjoy the rest of this season.  I am pulling hard for the Case boys to beat Wabash as I want to see the UAA recognized as a stronger conference than it is given credit for, plus the guys were classy opponents and are having a heck of a season.

2.  Regarding the number of returning starters and how good you think the team may be next year...CMU returned nine offensive starters (four linemen and a pair of 1,000 yard rushers included in that) and six defensive starters from an 11-1 playoff team, creating very high expectations for this year.  We ended up 7-4.  DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH.  Football is a very fickle game, and if all the bounces go your way one year, they may not go your way the next.

Plus, don't underestimate the loss of Brew (and possibly Calderone).  Having a bunch of other starters back is nice, but when you lose a guy who is truly a superior player at the Division III level, it has a much greater impact than you think.

Also, your schedule will be more difficult next year than it was this year.  Yeah, I know...who could possibly beat us, we're a team that advanced in the playoffs?  CMU had Randolph-Macon on the schedule this year, a game that we looked at before the season and chalked up as a sure W...they were 2-8 last year.  Little did we know that RMC would have their best year in a decade, beating us in the process.

And the final point...that line about Mount Union had better be a joke.  I've been arguing for some time that the UAA is better than it's given credit for, to the point where I actually think that even with only four teams it's about the 11th or 12th best conference (out of 25), but no UAA team would finish in the top three in the OAC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 19, 2007, 10:04:40 AM

Good luck to the Case Western Reserve University Spartans this week. It's always good to see the Ohio teams doing well. You may develop a real taste for the playoffs and want to start doing it every year.

Wabash says, "Wabash always fights". Show them some real fight.

Go Spartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 19, 2007, 10:55:32 AM
Excellent points TartanPlayer.  By the way, it was a pleasure watching you pave the way for two teammates who rushed for 1,000 yards in back-to-back seasons.  I won't lie, I expected more out of the season with what you had returning, but as you said, the ball doesn't always bounce your way.  I was proud to watch you guys climb out of a four game losing streak and rip off 5 straight wins to end the season, including that incredible comeback in the ECAC game.  I wasn't sure the O could get two scores in under 9 or 10 minutes but Erd opened it up and you guys executed.  Good luck in the future and I'll possibly keep you updated on CMU next season.

MajorSpartan, CWRU should be congratulated for their playoff victory, but please, don't go poppin' off about Mount Union.......that's so laughable only because I have many friends who attend/attended Mount Union and even a couple buddies who played for them.  I was at the Academic Bowl this year and I can tell you right now that the Spartans would be hard pressed to give Mount Union's 2nd or 3rd team a run for their money.  In fact, I believe Mount Union's 2nd team could beat some of the playoff teams.  And the funniest thing about it all was that when my one buddy was on the team a couple years back and won a couple titles he never acted like their football team was the best thing since sliced bread.  He actually said they could have been better.  That's scary good!!  CWRU is surprisingly good, but not scary good.

Good luck in the 2nd round Spartans and be prepared for a much tougher test.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 19, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
BDTartan,

We're not scary good this year, but if the folks we having coming back continue to improve..........well.........WHO KNOWS????

Anyway, I was being somewhat facetious when I mentioned Mt. Union.  Obviously, they play on almost an entirely different level from the rest of Division III.

But I stand bye my statement that with the players we have returning, we could make a VERY deep run in the playoffs next season.

Time will tell whether or not my prophecy comes true.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bman on November 19, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
CWRU fans

This is the first chance I have had to post since Saturday.

Congrats on the win on Saturday.  What a great drive with everything on the line...it shows the kind of players you have.  Although I wasn't able to get the video to stream, I was on the edge of my seat most of the game via audio...

Good luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 19, 2007, 03:09:27 PM
MajorSpartan,

Is Cowdrick hurt?  DNP vs. OWU nor Widener...

Just curious...

Will they bring in extra seating for the Wabash game if needed?  I wasn't sure how firm the 2,400 capacity was???

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: hot stuff on November 19, 2007, 04:51:06 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 19, 2007, 03:02:46 AM


WOW!!!!  By my count, that's NINE returning offensive starters, EIGHT returning defensive starters, and BOTH kicking specialists returning, plus the WR Cowdrick, who is very likely the Freshman of the Year in the UAA.



cowdrick isnt a frosh so there goes that, however possibility that nicely gets frosh of the year?...
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 19, 2007, 03:09:27 PM
MajorSpartan,

Is Cowdrick hurt?  DNP vs. OWU nor Widener...

Just curious...

Will they bring in extra seating for the Wabash game if needed?  I wasn't sure how firm the 2,400 capacity was???


Cowdrick is out, and as for the seating....honestly Case students and fans still have no idea they have a team, so don't worry about that, unless wabash brings 1500+ fans (which they could, i have no idea) there honestly will be no problem with seating...against widener i would say about 1500 of the 2400 seat were filled and that was with all the students on campus...with them being gone for thanksgiving, i would say only 1000 case fans will even show up
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAF78 on November 19, 2007, 04:56:50 PM
hot stuff,
Thanks...I guess I won't worry about buying a ticket ahead of time...unless, of course,  your post is a clever CWRU ruse that will end up with hundreds of Wabash faithful being turned away at the gate because there are 2,400 screaming CWRU fans in the stands who bought their tickets before the game.  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 19, 2007, 08:19:08 PM
Here's something to ponder:

Week 10: Washington
         11: Wesleyan
         12: Widener
         13: Wabash  ?
         14: Whitewater  ?

Keep the Ws coming!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 20, 2007, 02:18:40 AM
Nice play on words there cwru70, but those W's are going to get tougher and tougher.  I think a win against Wabash would be an upset, getting past Whitewater would be one of the biggest upsets in college football history in my opinion and say you play Mount for the title and win.......well, I'm thinking I should get right with Jesus cuz' the end of the world wouldn't be far behind.

MajorSpartan - Are you so wrapped up in the glory of the 07' Spartans that you fail to see what TartanPlayer told you and what I failed to realize coming into this year??  Don't tell me that anybody who knew the UAA didn't expect CMU to do this year what you are saying CWRU will do next?  Because alot of folks expected another playoff run from the Tartans, but as one of their own players stated to you, the ball doesn't always bounce the same way.  And yes, he is absolutely correct about the implications of losing a top DIII player like Brew.  CMU's secondary was nowhere near what it was last year, or the three years before that, when they had Aaron Lewis.  Even though I felt the secondary was just as talented, sometimes when you lose a guy with that much experience and he's making all the calls, well, you just can't replace that.  I wouldn't be surprised to see that CWRU doesn't handle the run as well next year without Brew roaming around making the calls at LB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 20, 2007, 06:26:24 AM
Just cuz you guys failed to live up to expectations, don't assume that we will.

;)

Just kidding.

Seriously though.  Whalen and Calderone have nearly as much of an impact on the team as Brew, and to the best of my knowledge, they'll both be back.  Brew is a big loss, but there's plenty of talent returning to keep the momentum rolling.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 20, 2007, 07:57:30 AM
You must be an ass man because there is always a but with you.  You don't think Sivek and Gimson were impact guys for CMU or Scholl was on the defensive side.  Even before this year??  Don't forget that if a couple of balls bounce the other way your Spartans are only 1-2 in the UAA and miss the playoffs.  I don't really give a hoot what you think, I was at the Academic Bowl and that game is a coin toss no matter how many times you play it.  CWRU isn't miles ahead of CMU or WUStL.  The Spartans did a very good job of limiting mistakes and taking advantage of opportunities.  Something CMU did in 06' but failed to do in 07'.  Had they done some things better the Tartans may have been in the field of 32, but it didn't work it out that way.  Next year is next year.  Your team still has a game this weekend.......be thankful for that and worry about next year in August of 08'!!

By the way, thanks for giving my brother and company some bulletin board material and incentive for next year's Academic Bowl.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2007, 08:06:46 AM
As I said some time ago, the three top teams were so close that if the games between them were replayed there could be eight diferent outcomes.  The past four years have had four different champions.

And look at the CWRU soccer team's failure to repeat.

But   ;)  let's take care of this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on November 20, 2007, 09:46:23 AM
The cards fell right for CMU last year in terms of schedule and team composition the same way they fell this year for CWRU. The UAA has been most competitive these past few years since the run by WUStl and it makes for a much more interesting league. Even Chicago got into the championship mix. It is justified for Spartan fans to be optimistic about next year just as it was for Tartan fans this season with the number of returning starters they have. Great players like Brew and Lewis are always missed when they graduate but such is the nature of college ball. WUStl hasn't quite been the same since they lost Brad Duesing and Wethington. As always, it will get down to many variables and factors such as offseason dedication, who actually returns next year and whether they improve or not, how next year's teams gel in terms of chemistry, and, according to Major Spartan, how many players show up to play from those who were admitted to school, right?

Just kidding, of course, but, as several have said, let's focus on Case advancing to the championship game of its bracket. They have a somewhat better draw than CMU did last year playing Wabash instead of a outstanding and productive Wesley team. The bracket is more wide open now, especially with No.1 seed W & J knocked out.

Good Luck Spartans. Make all of us UAA fans proud.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 20, 2007, 12:53:06 PM
Although I totally agree with the fact that optimism should be allowed and also encouraged because as you say these runs by UAA teams are only helping out the cred, but MajorSpartan is talking about a team all of the sudden becoming a powerhouse and making a run at Mount.  He may have been joking, but a little bit of success sometimes leads to a mis-interpreted bravado.  As I said, next year is next year.  Talk is also cheap.  I hope CWRU makes a deep run this year because there are no guarantees past Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2007, 03:34:05 PM
http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/2007_All_UAA_Football_Team.pdf

All-UAA teams announced today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2007, 03:35:18 PM
Also, as cwru70 noted, interesting to see that all four UAA teams have won the conference in the past four years.  If that's not a sign of a balanced conference, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA Follower on November 20, 2007, 05:36:06 PM
I'm going to give MajorSpartan the benefit of the doubt and assume he was joking about Mount. Please, Major, tell us your were joking?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 20, 2007, 05:39:08 PM
BDTartan,

Loosen up man.  As you can see by the little "winky" eye, I was being facetious.  Don't take everything so seriously.

I do believe, based on our returning players, including several returning All-UAA players, and the returning UAA Co-Offensive Player of the year, that we'll have a very good team next year, and could very well make a deep run in the playoffs.  Such a team could very well be labeled a "powerhouse."

As for Mt. Union, like I said before, I was being somewhat facetious.  They play on a completely different level than the rest of Division III.  I don't expect us to seriously challenge them, but, then again, YA NEVER KNOW!!!

Peace.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
At the risk of further fanning the flames under Maj, let me point out that the entire CWRU starting lineup was honored by UAA.  The three WR offense with a backup RB thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 01:29:37 AM
One of the benefits of a four-team conference -- lots of spots on the All-Conference team to go around.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 21, 2007, 06:54:25 AM
Usually I have preceded any mention of all UAA with that caveat.  I did neglect that this time, but there are nearly as many Spartans honored as from the three other teams combined.

Oh, and Coach Debeljak has moved to #2 in COY behind DuBose.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 21, 2007, 08:30:23 AM
Whatever Major, I said my piece.  Always buts with you.........keep it fresh until next season cuz' I'm done squandering my time talking to you for now.  Maybe next year when everybody starts out the same we can pick it back up.  So, as I said, good luck to your Spartans, I hope you can make a run this year because next year ain't no guarantee.......something I, as a Tartan fan, learned this year.  CMU seemed to be loaded with talent from the 06' season, but it didn't work out. 

Peace yourself.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 21, 2007, 09:50:06 AM
Gang,

At this time, every UAA fan, regardless of allegiance, needs to go to the Gagliardi Trophy ballot page, and vote for Tom Brew, All-American linebacker from Case Western Reserve University.

He's a tremendous asset to the university, both on, AND off the field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 22, 2007, 11:43:09 AM
He is my choice also ... go help Tom get this Trophy he surely deserves it.
http://www.d3football.com/frame/c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b (http://www.d3football.com/frame/c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b)

Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 22, 2007, 01:52:57 PM
Ummm......I think not.  Brew is a tremendous player, but 5 or 6 guys from the UAA board here aren't going to get him the trophy.  Secondly, I didn't hear anybody rallying behind him and Lewis last year when they were up for it so why should we now.  The fact of the matter.......too many candidates that people know about compared to a player from the UAA, which still lacks cred and recognition.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody.  Keep it real until 08'.  I've got one more year to root for my bro and the Tartans and then I'll allow myself to root for the entire UAA.  Sorry guys, blood is thicker than water.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 23, 2007, 12:28:42 AM
Just hoping that this great season for CWRU can continue this weekend. Best of luck against Wabash. 8)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 23, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Here are a few interesting things about the All-UAA teams:

1st Team Offense: 14 players
1st Team Defense: 13 players
2nd Team Offense: 17 players
2nd Team Offense: 13 players
HM Offense: 5 players
HM Defense: 8 players

This is a total of 70 players honored as All-UAA.  The four teams in the conference have a combined 88 starters, so 79.5% of the starters in the conference were All-UAA.  So 4 out of every 5 starters in the league are All-UAA.  Seems a bit diluted to me. 

Also, I have always been a believer that All-Conference and All-American teams should consist of only 11 players per side of the ball, per team.  When the coach calls the "offense" out only 11 guys are able to take the field. 14 first team and 17 second team offensive players seem very rediculous to me.  Some people getting left out is not the end of the world, and then it becomes much more of an honor.

Any thoughts???
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2007, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on November 23, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Here are a few interesting things about the All-UAA teams:

1st Team Offense: 14 players
1st Team Defense: 13 players
2nd Team Offense: 17 players
2nd Team Offense: 13 players
HM Offense: 5 players
HM Defense: 8 players

This is a total of 70 players honored as All-UAA.  The four teams in the conference have a combined 88 starters, so 79.5% of the starters in the conference were All-UAA.  So 4 out of every 5 starters in the league are All-UAA.  Seems a bit diluted to me. 

Also, I have always been a believer that All-Conference and All-American teams should consist of only 11 players per side of the ball, per team.  When the coach calls the "offense" out only 11 guys are able to take the field. 14 first team and 17 second team offensive players seem very rediculous to me.  Some people getting left out is not the end of the world, and then it becomes much more of an honor.

Any thoughts???

I would agree except many schools run a wide variation of offenses these days.  Your typical offense would have 5 olinemen, 1 TE, 2 Wr's, 1 TB, 1 FB, and 1 QB.  But now, many teams have 3-4 Wrs, so mabye you need 3-4 Wrs on the 1st team?  And you cant just leave out a TE or FB if they deserve it.  Overall though, there should be only 5 1st team olinemen and 1 1st team QB.  After that, you can add a few Wrs I would say.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 23, 2007, 05:19:03 PM
I wil confess I neglected to do the addition.  I think 12 is fitting given different alignments ( 3 and 4 WR sets and 4-3 v 3-4 or 3-5 D).  The additional players may be explained by ties.  I don't know how the votng is done.  But if each coach picks a first and second team and doesn't pick his own players, then the "honor" of honorable mention is diminished.  Especially since this is a four team conference.  I believe I shall henceforth consider only first and second team to be All-Association.  As if it matters what I think.   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2007, 05:37:31 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2007, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on November 23, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Here are a few interesting things about the All-UAA teams:

1st Team Offense: 14 players
1st Team Defense: 13 players
2nd Team Offense: 17 players
2nd Team Offense: 13 players
HM Offense: 5 players
HM Defense: 8 players

This is a total of 70 players honored as All-UAA.  The four teams in the conference have a combined 88 starters, so 79.5% of the starters in the conference were All-UAA.  So 4 out of every 5 starters in the league are All-UAA.  Seems a bit diluted to me. 

Also, I have always been a believer that All-Conference and All-American teams should consist of only 11 players per side of the ball, per team.  When the coach calls the "offense" out only 11 guys are able to take the field. 14 first team and 17 second team offensive players seem very rediculous to me.  Some people getting left out is not the end of the world, and then it becomes much more of an honor.

Any thoughts???

I would agree except many schools run a wide variation of offenses these days.  Your typical offense would have 5 olinemen, 1 TE, 2 Wr's, 1 TB, 1 FB, and 1 QB.  But now, many teams have 3-4 Wrs, so mabye you need 3-4 Wrs on the 1st team?  And you cant just leave out a TE or FB if they deserve it.  Overall though, there should be only 5 1st team olinemen and 1 1st team QB.  After that, you can add a few Wrs I would say.

I agree with 81 in that the coach has to decide which 11 to put on the field and so should we. If his first 11 has a TE and not a FB, so be it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on November 23, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Here are a few interesting things about the All-UAA teams:

1st Team Offense: 14 players
1st Team Defense: 13 players
2nd Team Offense: 17 players
2nd Team Offense: 13 players
HM Offense: 5 players
HM Defense: 8 players

This is a total of 70 players honored as All-UAA.  The four teams in the conference have a combined 88 starters, so 79.5% of the starters in the conference were All-UAA.  So 4 out of every 5 starters in the league are All-UAA.  Seems a bit diluted to me. 

Also, I have always been a believer that All-Conference and All-American teams should consist of only 11 players per side of the ball, per team.  When the coach calls the "offense" out only 11 guys are able to take the field. 14 first team and 17 second team offensive players seem very rediculous to me.  Some people getting left out is not the end of the world, and then it becomes much more of an honor.

Any thoughts???
Most of the players in the UAA seem to be from Lake Woebegone!  :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2007, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2007, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on November 23, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Here are a few interesting things about the All-UAA teams:

1st Team Offense: 14 players
1st Team Defense: 13 players
2nd Team Offense: 17 players
2nd Team Offense: 13 players
HM Offense: 5 players
HM Defense: 8 players

This is a total of 70 players honored as All-UAA.  The four teams in the conference have a combined 88 starters, so 79.5% of the starters in the conference were All-UAA.  So 4 out of every 5 starters in the league are All-UAA.  Seems a bit diluted to me. 

Also, I have always been a believer that All-Conference and All-American teams should consist of only 11 players per side of the ball, per team.  When the coach calls the "offense" out only 11 guys are able to take the field. 14 first team and 17 second team offensive players seem very rediculous to me.  Some people getting left out is not the end of the world, and then it becomes much more of an honor.

Any thoughts???

I would agree except many schools run a wide variation of offenses these days.  Your typical offense would have 5 olinemen, 1 TE, 2 Wr's, 1 TB, 1 FB, and 1 QB.  But now, many teams have 3-4 Wrs, so mabye you need 3-4 Wrs on the 1st team?  And you cant just leave out a TE or FB if they deserve it.  Overall though, there should be only 5 1st team olinemen and 1 1st team QB.  After that, you can add a few Wrs I would say.

Wow.  I didnt even realize there were 4 teams in the league.  Might even be some backups on the 2nd team!

But I don't see any problem having an extra offensive guy if there is one.......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 23, 2007, 06:44:22 PM
There was a non-starting DL 2nd team last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 23, 2007, 09:56:09 PM
Yes there was.......

Interesting, I've probably seen most of these guys in action more than most of you and I believe the majority of them deserved the conference honor they got.  I don't think some of the schools and their players in the UAA get considered for much else but the conference.  The recent success of CMU and CWRU have garnered some attention, but you have to wonder if a four team conference can keep it up.  I know their was a rare scheduling agreement between the UAA and the NCAC, but that doesn't add any teams to the conference.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 24, 2007, 09:06:46 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 23, 2007, 05:19:03 PM
I think 12 is fitting given different alignments ( 3 and 4 WR sets and 4-3 v 3-4 or 3-5 D).  The additional players may be explained by ties. 

I can live with 12 per team.  That would honor either a 3rd RB or WR on offense, and honor 4 DL, 4 LB and 4 DB on defense.  Incedently, that is how the NCAC typically handles the defensive All-Conference team.

Speaking of All-NCAC, they gave out 11 1st team and 11 2nd team offensive, and 12 players on the 1st and 2nd defensive teams.  And that is a 10 team conference. 

Either way though, good luck to the Spartans today baby!!!  I will be there cheering 'em on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 24, 2007, 09:49:27 AM
I didn't mean to suggest they weren't worthy of honor, just that there's a difference between third best in an eight team conference as opposed to a four team conference.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on November 24, 2007, 03:08:06 PM
Congrats on a Great season.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 24, 2007, 03:15:08 PM
Thanx bb
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 24, 2007, 03:47:41 PM
Excellent game today - looks like CWRU will have great expectations around the circle next year.  Thanks for providing a very nice video stream of the game.  Only one downside - my link blacked out during that incredulous 40 yd, scramble - completion of Whalen's.  My office's vocabulary expanded exponentially.  :-X
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: aueagle on November 24, 2007, 04:42:14 PM
Congrats to Case on an outstanding season...next year will be even better with what you have back! Can't wait to see the Spartans in Delaware for the rematch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 24, 2007, 07:25:29 PM
Nice season Spartans.  Can't wait to see what unfolds in 08' in the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2007, 07:28:45 PM
congrats to CWRU on their 11 win season.  It will be very interesting if they go the way of CMU next year or if they really build on this season.  My guess is the latter. 

11 wins gives hope for a strong future.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 24, 2007, 07:49:35 PM
Great effort by the Spartans today. 

A few thoughts from the game:
-I gotta say I was somewhat disappointed in the fact that Wabash played with much more emotion throughout the entire game. 
-Wabash dominated both the offensive and defensive lines.  Whalen had no time to throw the ball, and our LB's were getting blocked all day.
-Our DB's were so far off, Wabash was just taking the 7 yard hitch with ease all day.

A few thoughts for next year:
-We are obviously set at QB, which is a huge plus for us.
-Our WR's were very good this year, and will be much better next year.  Speaking from experience, you make a huge leap in production/confidence/leadership etc. in between your first year and second year of significant playing time, (see Whalen and Cowdrick this year) so expect even better things from Nicely and Kolesar.
-Hopefully one of the current RB's or possibly a recruit can come in and be a go to guy.  I thought this hurt us all year long not having a #1 RB.
-Three of Five starters return on the line including both Tackles.  Due to the relative good heath of the o-line, i do not know much of what we have as far as backups, but having both tackles return is always a plus.

I will let others comment on the defense, as I have always been offensively minded.  I will say this though, we will miss Tiemeier almost as much as Brew next year.  His versatility, as well as production (12 Ints and 316 tackles in his career) in the 3-3-5/3-5-3 defense will be hard to replace.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAF78 on November 24, 2007, 08:42:59 PM
Kudos to CWRU...great game. You guys played with heart and always kept fighting up till the final buzzer.
Great effort...
Your receivers beat our DB's all day...
Whalen is very, very good...only a soph.
You guys made some great Defensive adjustments that shut down our run game in the second half...for the most.
You also have a great kicker...that guy can boot the ball.
Great job CWRU. Great year...and the best for next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 24, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
Sorry your run is at an end. Great season. I hope that it is the beginning of a long new tradition at CWRU.   (Former faculty member's kid)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 25, 2007, 12:38:55 AM
From what I've read, it sounds like the better team won.

Congrats to Wabash.  I'll be rooting for them the rest of the playoffs!

I'm looking forward to next season.  I think that with our returning starters, we have a chance for yet another playoff run next season, hopefully a deeper one!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 25, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
Whalen has some real athleticism.....Congrats on a great season.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 25, 2007, 11:44:36 AM
For fear of depriving myself of oxygen, I will hold back my familiar comments about expectations after a year like CWRU had.  I saw someone throw a CMU comment in there........simply, CMU had just as much returning this year from the 06' team as CWRU has returning next year.  I still think its going to be hard to do all the little things correct all year long for a second year.  I believe CWRU is capable of it, just as I thought CMU was capable of it, but at the end of the day the ball doesn't always bounce your way.  Kind of like Romeo Crennel saying "there is a reason the ball is shaped the way it is" after Phil Dawson's doinker against Baltimore.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 26, 2007, 09:28:46 AM
I'm sure it's still a bit hard on the Case fans right now but I wanted y'all to see this quote from Wabash coach Chris Creighton about your QB.

Quote"They're a special team," Wabash College coach Chris Creighton said. "I don't give out quarterback compliments very often, but number five (Whalen) is really, really good."

The rest of the article is HERE (http://www.thepaper24-7.com/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=23&ArticleID=13088).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 27, 2007, 08:35:44 AM
Lil' Giant,

Based on that article, it sounds like we weren't strong enough up front to hang with you guys, but that our QB was practically a one man show keeping us in the game.

Is that the impression that you got?  I didn't see the game, so I have no idea.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 27, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
Personally,  I like this quote from Coach Debaljak from the article that I saw on this site:

"What their legacy will be is they really changed the culture of athletics at this school," Debeljak said of his seniors. "When these guys came in here, football was an afterthought, a non-entity.   (UHLaw97: was it ever!!!  Athletics were practically non-existent back in my time (early 90s); Case didn't even make an effort to be competitive in sports, even at the D3 level).  To see the way the school responded is something very special. That is what we're going to lose with the seniors.

"We have a lot of really talented kids coming back, but you never know," he added. "We enjoyed it while we had it and we'll go back [to] working hard. Hopefully, [we'll] get that chemistry and the right people in there and make a run next year. These guys that are leaving are pretty special."

While Case's postseason run inspired the Cleveland campus, other coaches have taken notice of the Spartans.

"They're a special football team," Creighton said of Case. "You don't get very many special ones in your career. It's never about one guy, but [Whalen] is a special one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 27, 2007, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 27, 2007, 08:35:44 AM
Lil' Giant,

Based on that article, it sounds like we weren't strong enough up front to hang with you guys, but that our QB was practically a one man show keeping us in the game.

Is that the impression that you got?  I didn't see the game, so I have no idea.



While Whalen is a great player, I'd stop short of saying he was a one man show. Nicely, Kolesar and Mayer did their part in making some good plays.

I think the size of the lines and the speed on defense was something that was ultimately too much for Case. But there's serious talent there. And Debeljak did a great job in the second half too.

You guys have a bright future ahead of y'all.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on November 28, 2007, 11:52:58 AM
Congratulations to Case for a great run.  Next year with the joint agreement with the NCAC will bring new competitors to the UAA teams.  It should make for an interesting year for all the teams!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
Three Tartans were named to the Academic All-America team.  Offensive tackle Brian Freeman and defensive lineman Clay Crites, both juniors, were named to the first team.  Senior punter Matt Adams was named to the second team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 03, 2007, 08:48:48 AM
Tom Brew was also second team.  BTW this team includes DII and NAIA not just DIII.

Brew has just been added to the Aztec Bowl roster too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on December 05, 2007, 01:20:49 AM
Anybody checked out the UAA page lately?  I was just there and it looks like it hasn't been updated in about a month.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 05, 2007, 09:45:26 AM
It was updated Nov 28 after CWRU's last game, not much has happened since then.  It would be nice if they would report post-season honors from other sources though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 12:56:51 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 11, 2007, 09:46:30 AM
Hats off to UAA's All-Region selections:
CWRU
N-1  Tom Brew
N-2  John Tiermeier, Brian Calderone, Brandon Jeffries, and Tom Zagorski.
N-3  Dan Whalen

WUStL
S-2  Tim Mahan

Also to Tom Brew who played very well in the Aztec Bowl.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 21, 2007, 09:24:03 AM
CWRU ends the year #22
http://www.d3football.com/top25/2007/week-16

Ironically the same spot CMU finished last season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 22, 2007, 10:23:02 AM
cwru70,

I saw a coaches poll that had Case finishing at ELEVENTH in the country!!!!

See below:

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1353734

1.   Wis.-Whitewater (40)   14-1   1,000   2   D. No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 31-21, in Stagg Bowl   Lance Leipold
2.   Mount Union (Ohio)    14-1   960   1   Lost to No. 2 Wis.-Whitewater, 31-21, in Stagg Bowl   Larry Kehres
3.   Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)    12-2   916   5   Lost to No. 2 Wis.-Whitewater, 16-7, in semifinals   Pete Fredenburg
4.   Bethel (Minn.)   12-2   869   10   Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 62-14, in semifinals   Steve Johnson
5.   Wesley (Del.)   11-2   802   6   Lost to No. 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas), 27-10 in quarterfinals   Mike Drass
6.   Central (Iowa)   12-1   792   3   Lost to No. 10 Bethel (Minn.), 27-10, in quarterfinals   Jeff McMartin
7.   St. John Fisher (N.Y.)   11-2   763   7   Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 52-10, in quarterfinals   Paul Vosburgh
8.   Wabash (Ind.)   11-2   657   14   Lost to No. 2 Wis.-Whitewater, 47-7, in quarterfinals   Chris Creighton
9.   St. John's (Minn.)    10-2   623   8   Lost to No. 3 Central (Iowa), 37-7, in second round   John Gagliardi
10.   Muhlenberg (Pa.)   11-1   597   9   Lost to No. 6 Wesley (Del.), 38-21, in second round   Mike Donnelly
11.   Case Western Reserve (Ohio)   11-1   456   15   Lost to No. 14 Wabash (Ind.), 28-23, in second round   Greg Debeljak

12.   Washington & Jefferson (Pa.)   10-1   454   4   Lost to North Carolina Wesleyan, 35-34 (OT), in first round   Mike Sirianni
13.   Wis.-Eau-Claire   9-3   446   22   Lost to No. 10 Bethel (Minn.), 20-10, in second round   Todd Glaser
14.   Trinity (Texas)   9-2   398   13   Lost to No. 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas), 52-23, in first round   Steve Mohr
15.   Capital (Ohio)   8-3   383   16   Lost to No. 2 Wis.-Whitewater, 34-14, in first round   Jim Collins
16.   North Central (Ill.)   9-3   380   NR   Lost to No. 2 Wis.-Whitewater, 59-28, in second round   John Thorne
17.   Salisbury (Md.)   9-2   341   12   Lost to No. 9 Muhlenberg (Pa.), 31-21, in first round   Sherman Wood
18.   St. Norbert (Wis.)   10-1   340   11   Lost to No. 22 Wis.-Eau Claire, 24-20, in first round   Jim Purtill
19.   Curry (Mass.)   12-1   276   20   Lost to No. 7 St. John Fisher (N.Y.), 38-7, in second round   Skip Bandini
20.   Franklin (Ind.)   9-2   247   17   Lost to North Central (Ill.), 44-42, in first round   Mike Leonard
21.   College of New Jersey   9-3   219   NR   Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 59-7, in second round   Eric Hamilton
22.   North Carolina Wesleyan   9-3   191   NR   Lost to No. 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas), 64-0, in second round   Jack Ginn
23.   Mount St. Joseph (Ohio)   9-2   187   18   Lost to No. 14 Wabash (Ind.), 31-21, in first round   Rod Huber
24.   Ithaca (N.Y.)   8-3   129   NR   Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 42-18, in first round   Mike Welch
25.   Wartburg (Iowa)   8-2   127   19   DNQ Playoffs   Eric Koehler


QUERY: What will Case's pre-season national ranking be at the start of NEXT season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 22, 2007, 03:47:31 PM
#11 ... nice of PR, but not very realistic. 

Pre-season D3football.com, Top 40 I would suspect.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on December 25, 2007, 03:22:39 PM
Congrats to CWRU back-up QB Angelo Mirando. 

After graduating this semester Angelo then heads south to Gainesville, FL to join fellow Ashtabula County native Urban Meyer as a GA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 24, 2008, 11:08:59 AM
I'm back after a month long absence occassioned by a computer crash ans a personal health crash.

The UAA website is undergoing a revision.  Mysteriously Tom Brew has vanished from the All-UAA team posted there.

Here's an article on an award for Jeff Mayer who caught the game winner v Widener.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 02, 2008, 05:01:31 PM
NYT article on Josh McDaniels [free sign up may be required] mentions his being caoched by Coach Debeljak and correctly identifies him as current CWRU head coach.

If he keeps getting all this attention how long will he stay in University Circle?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashBacker#16 on February 02, 2008, 05:06:52 PM
cwru70,

We almost wondered that ourselves.   ;D  You can take a sigh of relief that Wabash named a coach.

I think he's pretty content at Case though - or at least his family is.   ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 07, 2008, 01:51:15 PM
When Josh McDaniels gets the HC job that seems inevitable, would he tap his old coach for the staff?  Could he be tempted by DII Lake Erie once the program gets rolling?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2008, 09:55:23 AM
Another honor for the Spartans:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

Bob Gain played for Kentucky, so I'm unclear why the award is named for him.  Why not another old Brown, Warren Lahr, who played for Western Reserve?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 19, 2008, 07:21:43 AM
cwru70,

I just noticed that our defensive coach, Tom Kaufman, has bolted for our rival Chicago.

What a shame.  We had a good defense this year.

I also noticed that the Cleveland Touchdown Club just named us "the best small college team in Ohio" this season.

That's quite a statement, given that Mt. Union is also here in the state.  Not sure I agree with that one, BUT I'LL TAKE IT!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 19, 2008, 08:46:35 AM
Wow, I missed that.  He wasn't the DC, but was a full time assistant.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 06, 2008, 09:37:44 PM
Sixth months till the first game.

Tom Kaufman's departure might be missed most in recruiting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 14, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
How large is our incoming recruiting class, and does it have many immediate impact players?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 14, 2008, 09:47:07 PM
That question is at least two months premature.  I wouldn't expect to hear much until at least May.

A 2008 spring roster has been posted.  No real loses, but Nick Sachanda seems to have given up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 15, 2008, 01:21:01 AM
Guess the real question is more quality over quantity with a recruiting class, though there seems to be some newfound athletics push at Case of late.  Maybe the best of both worlds.

Did Case's nails linebacker graduate?  Would like to think Case would target help for one of the nation's name quarterbacks this offseason, protection or targets, but the loss of such a large linebacker might give the nod toward some defense address.

Not sure freshmen come in as impact players in the front seven as often as they do at the waterbug skill positions, and Brew was a load at 240.  Size and strength maturity comes with time, whereas spring in the step, that's more a youthful quality.  Am unsure the remaining tenure of the Case defensive backfield and receiver corps, but then again recruiting is with an eye not only for the immediate future.  This looking two or three years ahead in recruiting might be even more appropriate considering the quarterback's own late model status.

Anticipating Carnegie Mellon's showdown with Witt this year as the UAA-NCAC agreement is now in full swing, made even more intriguing with different playoff representatives from each conference the past two seasons.  CMU lost quite a bit themselves if recall correctly.  At least can yammer on about the wing t on point for this one.

signed,
Cretin from Spart
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 15, 2008, 09:09:56 PM
What????

"Monster Nick" quit????

Dang.

That guy was 6'4" and 295!!!

That's a pretty big OL prospect to lose!

I'll have to check out the Spring roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 16, 2008, 10:37:16 AM
After last year's huge class quantity isn't a problem.  I'm not sure there is any need for any frosh to contibute right away except at LB.  Brew was a beast, but John Tiemeier's departure from the hybrid OLB/SS position will hurt as well.  There are experienced back-ups at LB who even have a few starts.  Two players split time at FS one of whom may take Tiemeier's spot.  Potentially there is another #15 from Mentor who would be a catch.  Then I have a football fantasy about the brother of a just graduated Spartan who has Brew's size and has been only a special teams player in DI for the last two years and it appears still has returning players ahead of him.

There will be a 610# hole in the middle of the OL that was filled by two All-Region players.  A 6'2 290# senior may get the nod at center and a 6" 270# JR may take over at G.  Four players who have started return to fill the other three spots on the line.  Protecting Whalen will of course be job one.

The other positions have starters returning, including a stable of RBs who shared time last year.  Several frosh got special team time and with six blow-outs saw mop up duty as well.

Repeating in the UAA has been a challenge since each of the four teams has a championship over the last four years.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on March 16, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
Has there EVER been a post from someone from the University of Chicago?? ??? With the UAC/NCAC agreement,  Wabash will play U Chi for the first time since 1939 (when they were in the Big Ten) and I would wonder if anyone in Chi has ever displayed any enthusiasm.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 16, 2008, 01:17:07 PM
There have been very few.  There are some regular posters in hoops, but rarely in FB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on March 16, 2008, 03:27:59 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on March 16, 2008, 01:17:07 PM
There have been very few.  There are some regular posters in hoops, but rarely in FB.
Thanks. I'll just get used to the CWR news. I'm glad Wabash doesn't have to lead off the season with the Spartans. Last year in the second round was close enough-your QB was something. If he wasn't running for his life most of the time, it's hard to envision the result. Haa-Woo
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 16, 2008, 03:33:29 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on March 16, 2008, 10:37:16 AM
I'm not sure there is any need for any frosh to contibute right away except at LB.  Brew was a beast, but John Tiemeier's departure from the hybrid OLB/SS position will hurt as well.  There are experienced back-ups at LB who even have a few starts.  Two players split time at FS one of whom may take Tiemeier's spot.  Potentially there is another #15 from Mentor who would be a catch.  Then I have a football fantasy about the brother of a just graduated Spartan who has Brew's size and has been only a special teams player in DI for the last two years and it appears still has returning players ahead of him.

This sounds like the makings for a little playbook evolution.  Not sure where the hybrid safety linebacker lines up, but sounds like there might've been some ornate cover 3 over the top.  Would a pair of free types allow more four or two.     

Brew's size kinda of led me to believe, without having seen any film or games, that he was more the bruiser and little less athletic.  Were Case to get on a run with stellar middle linebackers over successive generations, sounds like the makings are in place.  Suspect the hybrid was there to account for different fronts and add some mobility to a heavy hitting as opposed to swarming front seven.

An athletic MLB the likes of the dream transfer could really tilt flank for an athletic conference steeped in academic prestige.  Would be interesting were the new MLB to meet or at least accomodate the same standard set by Brew and add a little flexibility in the hips to get back breaking chairs and posts in cover four or running the maze in two.  The caveat would seem to need to be some academic pedigree for this recruit himself.  Afterall, have to keep up appearances.   ;)

FYI, as an old school  fifty front guy, cover four is the other word for integrated man over.  ::)   Then those fancy pantsed Wannstedt-Johnson guys had to go and first foot the "Killer B" 4-3 and precede that whole Canadian as rolled coverage man under confusion.  :D   Eh, at least Trev Alberts got a great pro career out of it.  :(

signed,
7 Diamond
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 16, 2008, 09:31:36 PM
The CWRU D is a version of the 3-3 stack.  Similar to WVU, Air Force, Tulsa...  Two backs can lineup like LBs or play like safeties.

Brew had size but he was mobile as well.  It wasn't unusual to see him 15 yds downfield in pass coverage.

Film at 11, err here:
http://tv.case.edu/actions/tv2/tv?filter=sports  browse for fb games.

Too bad the NCAC-UAA schedule doesn't include a return of the Bill Edwards trophy game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 17, 2008, 12:22:40 AM
Thanks for the link 70.  Just watched the first half of the OWU-CWRU game.

As my now traditional wing t addendum, OWU managed to slip an uncovered tackle or two past the refs.

Few observations: 74 and 71 appear to be athletic tackles.  Suprisingly athletic at that.  Good feet, good push and on the first half scoring drive an apparent ability to pull.  See that 62 has dropped a few pounds from his 2007 roster weight to his spring listed roster weight.  Just five pounds, but am wondering if there might be a movement in the offseason conditioning program toward athleticism.

Used to watch old highlight films of Nick Buoniconti, and the thing stressed was how he stood and ran with his toes pointed inward, a quality I noticed on the whole of the Case O-line save 62.  He appears to be a load, though might like to see some agilities work, squaring them toes in to go with the good hip rolling ability.

Those two all region players are going to be direly missed, but you play to your strengths and am liking the athleticism of the returners.

Nice to see Angelo Mirando get a start at quarterback, an important start during a important season, as a senior.  Often difficult for a former weekly starter to become overshadowed by an up and coming underclassmen.  The fact Mirando kept himself and his head in the season might be the biggest testament as to what is being done coaching and otherwise in the Case program.

After having watched Brew am more of the opinion turning his hips is a greater attribute than his striking.  More Urlacher and less Naill Diggs.  Will be hard to replace.

signed,
Flacco to Gannon
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 17, 2008, 12:36:48 AM
Quote from: wab64 on March 16, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
Has there EVER been a post from someone from the University of Chicago?? ??? With the UAC/NCAC agreement,  Wabash will play U Chi for the first time since 1939 (when they were in the Big Ten) and I would wonder if anyone in Chi has ever displayed any enthusiasm.

Once Amos Alonzo Stagg retired, most UC students don't realize that anything has occurred at the stadium since Enrico Fermi used it for other purposes! ;D

Pehaps someday they will recognize that 'pigskin' has returned.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 03, 2008, 03:42:39 PM
08-You'll be more likely to get info on the NCAC board.  Last season they lost their starter in week one.  They went with a tandem for a few games, but I think a freshman ended up playing most of the last few games.

MacLeod-Mirando's dedication seems to have paid off.  It has been reported that he's headed to Fla as a GA with Urban Meyer.  Speaking of formations, did you notice CWRU's eight man line on that first touchdown?

Mr. Y-I know Chicago refers to Stagg as retiring, but he hardly did that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Monsters of the Midway on April 04, 2008, 11:38:28 AM
Just wondering from those from Case on the hiring of Coach Kaufman to Chicago. How big of an impact should we expect from him? On paper it looks like a good move on the Universitys part and the players all seem to like him so far.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 05, 2008, 04:51:42 AM
Gang,

If the drive to create an NCAA Division IV had succeeded, would Case have remained Division III, or become Division IV?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on April 07, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
How goes it fellas?  I've enjoyed my time hibernating for the winter.....should be another interesting season of football coming in a couple months.

My first take on CMU......I hear spring practices have gone particularly well so far.  I think the D will be very formidable this season.  Scholl is supposedly returning for his 5th year along with plenty of other experience in the secondary with returning starter McGovern at CB and some others who saw significant playing time due to injuries last year.  The LB's look pretty solid even though the two OLB's have graduated, including the D-Coordinator's son Bodnar.  But there is some young talent at the position.  Watch out for Aleksey Tigay at one of any of the LB positions...he's got real speed coming on the blitz from anywhere and makes the QB pay for holding onto the ball.  The only weakness if any could be the D-Line which only returns one starter in Academic All-American Clay Crites at DE.  The other two spots are wide open with the loss of Reggie and Hauffe.

Offensively, they should be sound.  Believe it or not, the players filling the shoes of the likes of Gimson and Sivek have seen enough action to make a solid impact.  The O-Line lost some key players, but also return key players in the likes of Brian Freeman at OT.  OG should be solid as they have to be in a wing-T operation.  I thought he was misused last year but the TE Wisnieski could make an impact if utilized correctly.  At QB..??  Who knows?  Pantalone looked real good in the ECAC bowl game, but I've seen more than a handful of QB's play in a little over 3 years now....so Erdelyi is comfortable with just about anybody there as long as the running game is working.

One other note.  CMU hired Jason Makrinos as a full-time assistant and DB coach.. Last season Makrinos was a graduate assistant at Kent State.  The two years previously he was at Slippery Rock where he coached LBs and DBs.  He's a 2005 graduate of Westminster where he played D-line.

Other than that I think it will be a long wait...especially since this will be my brother's last season playing for the Tartans.  It's been great.  Here's to one more year of great UAA football.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on April 12, 2008, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Monsters of the Midway on April 04, 2008, 11:38:28 AM
Just wondering from those from Case on the hiring of Coach Kaufman to Chicago. How big of an impact should we expect from him? On paper it looks like a good move on the Universitys part and the players all seem to like him so far.

       Great to see you on board, Monsters. Keep it going so there will be things to read besides CMU and CWRU, not that they ain't scintillating. Wabash will play the Maroons, home&home starting this year, and as a Wabash grad with a law degree from UofC, I look forward to the rivalry. Too bad they tore down the North stands of the old Stagg field. When I was there, they were a bit long in the tooth, but still impresive. We played rugby there, but no one came to watch. I suppose they encased the South stands in lead and dropped them into Lake Michigan.
     I hope you will continue your "enthusiasm" and keep up the tradition of Stagg and the original "Monsters of the Midway", before some sportswriter stole it for the Chicago Bears. The Bears may be from Chicago, but they don't have the Midway.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 18, 2008, 09:22:12 AM
Welcome Monster Man-please stick around and update us on Chicago.

More honors for Debeljak, Tuertscher, and Mayer.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2007-08/pr04_15_08.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on April 18, 2008, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on April 18, 2008, 09:22:12 AM
Welcome Monster Man-please stick around and update us on Chicago.

C'mon, man. Why not tell Monsters what he wants to know about Coach Kaufman? It's hard enough to be enthusiastic about football at UofC, without people withholding information. Just kidding-I'm glad you showed him welcome to the board. Hoo-wah, Hoo-wah--Wabash Always Fights!   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Monsters of the Midway on April 18, 2008, 12:26:25 PM
Thanks for the welcomes!

Spring football starts on Monday for Chicago. The Maroons graduate 3 Seniors from their starting defense from 2007 - OLB Insalaco, OLB Fernandez & SS Harriett. Fernandez collected the Team MVP and will be very hard to replace. Freshman standout NT Kaderabek who finished the season 18th in Pass Sacks and 25th in TFL will be back for his 2nd season. Expect big things from this kid in the future, he's definately the real deal. The hardest thing for the Maroons on defense will be filling the 2 LB spots. They will be young and inexperienced...whoever gets the nod. Their DB's led by Leamy (ranked 13th in INT's) will be solid as they return all but 1 starter.

Offensively is the Maroons biggest question mark for the 2008 season. 4 starting Seniors graduate, 1 from the OL, RB Serio and WR's Albian & Pierson. Freshman WR Wolfe emerged early as a big threat and hopefully, the kid continues that in the 2008 season. They are lacking in the O-line department and I hope they attacked this in the offseason. But from what I hear there are approximately 22 incoming recruits which is DB heavy. Freshman RB Parks will be back and will provide a huge spark offensively. Playing P/T in 2007 Parks managed to finish as their leading rusher. I just wish they would run the kid more...then they do.

Looking forward to Monday.....seeing some football!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on April 18, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
That thump you heard was Robert Maynard Hutchins.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on April 18, 2008, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: frank uible on April 18, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
That thump you heard was Robert Maynard Hutchins.
Was it a thump or a spinning sound, Frank? Old RMH was pretty decided on what he wanted to do-no thought of de-emphasis and playing a small college schedule-just pull the plug! And this just 3 years after the first Heisman trophy was won by a UofChi tailback named Jay Berwanger.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 08, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
No official word on recruiting from University Circle as yet.  Usually there is an announcement around this time.  But for the fourth year in a row the incoming freshman class will exceed 1,000.

The NCAC-UAA schedule has been extended thru 2011.  CWRU faces Denison, Allegheny, Hiram, and Wooster in 2010 and 2011.  Rochester remains on the schedule, but weeks one and three are open.  Week one would fit for an OAC opponent, JCU would be interesting.  CMU faces Allegheny, Kenyon, Hiram, OWU, and Wittenberg.  Chicago has Wabash, OWU, Denison, and Kenyon, while WUStL has Wittenberg, Wabash, Wooster, and Oberlin.

http://www.northcoast.org/schedules.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2008, 03:29:16 PM
Yeah, RMH had no-clue.  He was as confused about the relationship between intercollegiate athletics and higher education as Cornell's President White was back in 1873 when the latter refused to allow the group of fb'ers to travel to the Univ of Michigan for a game when he said..."I will not permit 30 men to travel 400 miles merely to agitate a bag a wind" ;D. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:11:00 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 15, 2008, 05:00:12 AM
Knightstalker,

As a fellow VFW member, I must say.

NICE MESSAGE!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 06:31:15 AM
Welcome, Monster! :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on May 17, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
I'm new to D3football. My son will be playing for CMU. I'm looking forward to the season and am looking for info on the new recruits to each school. Anyone have any info?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
There isn't a whole lot of recruiting info at this level because there's nothing binding a kid to attend the school he declares for, or to play the sport once he's there.

Plus, nobody is ranking individual recruits down at this level.

Those are the basic reasons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 18, 2008, 07:15:37 AM
Plaid Man,

Last year, when Case had a "record" recruiting class of 51 players, the athletic department published a list around May.

As cwru70 pointed out, however, they've yet to do so this season.

Carnegie-Mellon is a great school BTW.  Your son will definitely get a great education there.

CMU and Case play the annual "Academic Bowl" game against each other.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 18, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Welcome PMan,

You will find posts here by the brother of a SR Tartan player.  What can you tell us about CMU's recruiting class?

Now that the men's soccer team has returned from Brazil I'm hopefull that we'll get a recruiting announcement from CWRU soon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on May 18, 2008, 02:58:35 PM
Welcome PlaidMan....as somebody already told you, my brother will be playing his final season at CMU this year.  If you don't mind me asking...is your son an incoming freshman or is he finally getting a chance to play?  I only ask because I know from my brother's experience that it is a little harder to see the field if your on O because Erd is a nutcase and the first time you screw up on the field for him may be your last time on the field.....ask some of his former QB's.....which includes Dan Marino back in high school.  That is one reason my bro switched sides of the ball....that, and the fact that he would rather hit somebody than be hit.  Anyways, I wish your son luck, and if he plays I hope you can attend some games because I've never enjoyed a football game in person more than at the D3 level.

Well fellas, we just gotta get past the dog days and the joyous sound of helmets cracking together will return.  Everybody enjoy the summer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 19, 2008, 09:51:58 AM
Gang,

I am still wondering if the UAA schools were in the running to be a part of the proposed "Division IV," had such a classification been created.

Does anybody know?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on May 19, 2008, 09:51:58 AM
Gang,

I am still wondering if the UAA schools were in the running to be a part of the proposed "Division IV," had such a classification been created.

Does anybody know?
My thoughts are that the D-IV people wanted the UAA schools to join them, but the UAA did not seem to be a driving force in the move to create that new division, sub-division.

The UAA seemed to be publicly very silent.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on May 19, 2008, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: BDTartan on May 18, 2008, 02:58:35 PM
Welcome PlaidMan....as somebody already told you, my brother will be playing his final season at CMU this year.  If you don't mind me asking...is your son an incoming freshman or is he finally getting a chance to play?  I only ask because I know from my brother's experience that it is a little harder to see the field if your on O because Erd is a nutcase and the first time you screw up on the field for him may be your last time on the field.....ask some of his former QB's.....which includes Dan Marino back in high school.  That is one reason my bro switched sides of the ball....that, and the fact that he would rather hit somebody than be hit.  Anyways, I wish your son luck, and if he plays I hope you can attend some games because I've never enjoyed a football game in person more than at the D3 level.

My son is an incoming freshman. He's 6'3" 260 and runs a 5.1 40. He was a center in high school, but was recruited by other schools as an O lineman, tight end, and D end. Probably O line at CMU. He also punts. He will also throw the discus and hammer in track, and his distances are already good enough to place in the conference. It will be interesting to see how he stacks up with the others at CMU. His high school team ran the ball 95% of the time, and everyone knew it. The running back still had 2200 yards and he was not recruited by anyone. Two lineman are playing D3 this year, my son and a tackle for Ohio Northern. The QB will play safety at Baldwin-Wallace, and a linebacker at Dayton.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 19, 2008, 01:36:32 PM
6'3", 260, and a 5.1 forty?

Whew!

Sounds like a load!!!

I'd hate to be the Case D-Lineman that has to face him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4u on May 20, 2008, 01:11:38 PM
PlaidMan,
Call me crazy, but if your vitals on your son are accurate, there should have been scholarship money...
4u
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 20, 2008, 01:55:07 PM
At 260 pounds, betting theres a significant differential between the CMU meal plan and actually feeding the behemoth from the household cupboard.  ;)

Anybody remember the Tony Mandarich SI issue with his diet that consisted of several small villagers as well as their chickens?  :P

signed,
Portsmouth and Duluth
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on May 20, 2008, 04:28:29 PM
Is 260 big for this conference? They want him to get to 285 and not lose any speed. I don't see that as a problem. He has huge shoulders and can add weight and still not be be fat. He has a 38" waist and wears a 52" sports coat.
His high school coaches told him he could probably go to a MAC school and play, but it wouldn't be until his junior or senior year. He was more interested in playing sooner than that, plus he wanted the best academic school we could afford. Plus, he wanted to throw in track, and the D1 schools in our area didn't have men's track. Some schools wanted him to get to 310 lbs, but he didn't want that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on May 20, 2008, 04:34:11 PM
He likes to eat!!! We're thinking of buying a goat and cow farm in the Pittsburgh area so he'll have enough food. CMU has an all-you-eat restaurant on on campus. He'll hang out there, four or five times a day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on May 21, 2008, 09:45:10 PM
I'd be interested to see where your son finally sees the field.  I wonder at the 285 weight that CMU supposedly set.....they may be looking at putting your son on the DL, possibly at NG since the DL will be down from years past.  My brother is the only returning starter on the DL.  I just can't see him at 285 playing O-line in a Wing-T O.  Possibly OT, but as far as I know, there are a number of possibilities there including returning starter Brian Freeman.  The quickest your son will see the field is at DL.  Then again......OC could be a wide open competition this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 22, 2008, 11:22:03 AM
260 is not big for UAA OL.  Last year's All-UAA OL was 6'1 260 (graduating CMU T), 6'5 280 (returning CMU starter mentioned by BDT), 6'2 275, 6'3 310, 6'1 300, and 6'4 240.

Further facilities upgrade for CWRU
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s2_page2

There as also been a significant donation toward the new fieldhouse at 115.

CWRU facilities will get showcased as they host the Cuyahoga Co. All-Star Game June 13.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 22, 2008, 03:28:56 PM
cwru70,

Tell me more about this Field House donation.

I hadn't heard anything in that regard.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on May 22, 2008, 04:02:15 PM
For God's sake - put Warren Lahr's name on something. He was a Pro Football HOF - calibre player. How about a plaque at the northeast corner of Ford and Bellflower where his fraternity house (Delta Kappa Epsilon) once stood?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 22, 2008, 04:40:42 PM
Maj-
It was the largest part of a donation for naming the outdoor track for Bill Sudeck and creating a Sudeck award.  The donation was a quarter mil.  The naming is a bit redundant and confusing as I have seen the indoor track also referred to as the Bill Sudeck track.  Maybe they'll rename that after Jerry Harback.

http://observer.case.edu/Archives/Volume_40/Issue_25/Story_2706/

Frank-
As per above, money talks.  Facilities get named for people who were on campus more than 4 yrs.  Now a Warren Lahr award for top DB, that might be possible.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 22, 2008, 09:44:47 PM
WOW!!!!

That sounds really fancy!

So that means that we'd have an additional weight training facility on North Side to go along with the large, renovated weight rooms in Veale Center, and additional locker rooms?

Goodness!

NO ONE in Division III will have athletic/workout facilities comparable to ours at that point!

Gosh.  What a change from the days when I was in school!  How much more money do we need to raise in order to make this a reality?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 23, 2008, 09:07:55 AM
I don't know what the budget would be.  While the new field house would give CWRU magnificent facilities, there are a number of schools in DIII with fine facilities as well.  I wouldn't claim that CWRU's would be incomparable.

CWRU's Esther Erb just won the 10,000 at the NCAAs to go with her Fulbright.  Oh yeah, she also sang the National Anthem for the Indians.  A true scholar-athlete.  She goes for a double in the 5k on Saturday.  If I remember correctly that is her best event.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 25, 2008, 05:24:18 AM
cwru70,

Point taken.  I stand corrected.  I'm sure that there are other schools that have/will have comparable facilities.  But overall, I'd bet that none will have BETTER facilities.  Back when I was in school, I would have considered our athletic/workout facilities to be a major recruiting liability.  No longer!

As for Erb, she is truly amazing.  A great distance runner, great student, and tremendous all-around person.  She's definitely a shining example, and a credit to our university!

frank,

Yeah, Warren Lahr would be a good one to name something like that after, as would Doc Kelker, and Phil Ragazzo.  All were high quality college and/or NFL players from CWRU's (technically WRU's) earlier glory days as a "big-time" college football team in the 30s and 40s.

Here's some info on them:

Ragazzo (1941 UPI All-NFL)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RagaPh20.htm

Lahr (one-time all-NFL, and one-time Pro Bowler; 2nd most career interceptions in Cleveland Browns' team history with 40)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LahrWa20.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Lahr

Kelker (former All-American in 1938; a member of the 1962 Sports Illustrated Silver Anniversary All-American team; led Western Reserve to a 28 game winning streak during the late 30s)

http://www.case.edu/pubs/cnews/1998/4-16/kelker.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 27, 2008, 10:40:55 PM
Still nothing official on recruiting, but I managed to dig up the scoop on four.

Jake Adams  Cincinnati Princeton  6'2 195 LB/TE  2nd team in the tough Greater Miami Conference  selected for SW Ohio All-star game

Bryce Coleman  Solon  6'2 210 TE/DL  3 year starter has a highlight video as TE most of the highlights are blocks on running plays for the run heavy Comets  That fits well with the CWRU offense that has thrown very little to the TE the last two seasons  http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6PJHb_3zwk&feature=related

Rich Doolin Bethel Park (PA) 6'1 225  TE/DL  All conference DL

Josh Murphy  Kettering Fairmont  6' 180  P/RB/LB   HM All-Dist P averaged 36.5 yds
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on May 28, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
I thought the TE from Solon was deciding between Oberlin and CMU. Good job, CWRU. Eric Wiseman, and running back from Tioga NY, 5'9 200 is going to Carnegie. Ran for 2382 yards his junior and senior year in 15 games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on May 29, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
Ths 2 TE's will definitely be useful with the loss of 3 OL.  Nick Spring injured his shoulder once again and wont be returning.

I hope they like to block becasue I dont think Cowdrick, Kolesar and Nicely are coming off the field.  Then throw in Homyk, Webster and TE Sutca.

The RB will be joining an already crowded backfield of Checken, Meyer, Dietman, Bush, Jones and Sasala.

This years preseason scrimmage will be against JCU.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 29, 2008, 02:08:53 PM
Gang,

Lindy's 2008 College Football Preview Issue is out.

In their Division III Preview section, Case is picked #10 in their pre-season Top 25.

GO SPARTANS!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 29, 2008, 10:10:38 PM
PMan-My source is an entry on the Solon HS website dated 5/1

Blue4-Tough news for Spring.  Are these lifting injuries?  Is it career ending or does he have a shot at pulling a Zagorski and returning for a triumphant senior year?

I sense a Mentor connection, so you should be aware of the Solon TE.  Is there a chance a Cardinal or two will move on to CWRU as in the past?

The kid from Bethel Park would seem to be more a DE prospect and the kid from Kettering a punter.

Has Bush fully recovered from his injury?  And what about Cowdrick?

Do you have date, time, and place for the scrimmage?

And, by the way, welcome.

Maj-Lindy's is great for pub, however unrealistic.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on May 30, 2008, 08:02:43 AM
Yes, Spring did it working out.   He is done and is transfering to OSU.  Only Cardinal I know of is Sharpe a NT.

Cowdrick is doing well.  Spent all his time in the weight room.  He's working on getting his speed back but he will be ready.  Havent heard anything else except WR Eric williams who had knee surgery and wasnt expected back isnt listed on the spring roster.

I agree with your assessment of the others.  Another DL cant hurt with the loss of Brew, Teurtscher and Tiemeier.  Cowdrick got hurt when he got rolled blocking inside.  A true blocking TE is needed.  As much as Whelan didnt do a bad job when he inherited the punting chores, I dont like my QB doing the work.  This risk is too great. 

This can be another good team.  A 10 ranking is deserved but without an overly demanding schedule it can be easily be lost so focus and dominace will be the keys.

The Case/JCU scrimmage should be Aug 30th.
Title: 2008 Passing
Post by: blue4now on May 30, 2008, 08:53:24 AM
I was killing some time and going over some NCAA numbers.  (yes, I need to get a life...)  I looked at WR stats of the top 30 passing teams in DIII football.  In looking at the top 3 returning underclassmen WR's on each team here is where our top 3 of Kolesar, Nicely and Cowdrick rank going into 2008.....

Receptions per Game
1 Augsburg 22.8
2 Guilford 22.3
3 Trinity (Tex.) 16.3
4 Gust. Adolphus 15.6
5 Case Reserve 14.8  
6 Wis.-River Falls 14.5
7 Catholic 13.9
8 St. Thomas (Minn.) 12.8
9 Western New Eng. 12.5
10 Howard Payne 10.1


Yards per Game
1 Augsburg 300
2 Guilford 255
3 Trinity (Tex.) 218
4 Gust. Adolphus 216
5 Catholic 216
6 Case Reserve 206  
7 Western New Eng. 157
8 Wis.-River Falls 156
9 Howard Payne 144
10 St. Thomas (Minn.) 126

Go Blue!       Go Spartans!!       Go Case!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 30, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Thanx Blue4

Adams may be the real deal.  Two fellow GMC second teamers at LB signed with scholarship programs and a third is going to Mount Union.

LB, C, and LG are the question marks for next year.  Protecting Whalen is a priority no other QB returns with a varsity completion.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 05, 2008, 09:57:11 AM
Gang,

Did anyone else here see the article on the d3football.com main page about Washington U's recruiting class?  A whopping 41 players!

I sure hope that Case can keep up!

The other thing that impressed me is how WashU's 41 players have an average SAT score of 1400+.  That's what I like about the UAA.

Its athletes are truely SCHOLAR-athletes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on June 05, 2008, 10:36:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 05, 2008, 09:57:11 AM
The other thing that impressed me is how WashU's 41 players have an average SAT score of 1400+.  That's what I like about the UAA.

Don't they score the SAT out of 2400 points these days?   :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 05, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Hey, I'm just quotin' the article.  They must not have converted to the new scale.

Their average ACT was 31.7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2008, 11:12:32 PM
That's an average size recruiting class for WUStL.

Still nothing official from CWRU.

Found this cache of CWRU pix.   Pix from every game.

http://community.webshots.com/user/casefootball
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 11, 2008, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on May 22, 2008, 11:22:03 AM
260 is not big for UAA OL.  Last year's All-UAA OL was 6'1 260 (graduating CMU T), 6'5 280 (returning CMU starter mentioned by BDT), 6'2 275, 6'3 310, 6'1 300, and 6'4 240.

Further facilities upgrade for CWRU
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s2_page2

There as also been a significant donation toward the new fieldhouse at 115.

CWRU facilities will get showcased as they host the Cuyahoga Co. All-Star Game June 13.

That graduating CMU tackle was a lot closer to 230 than he was to 260, hahaha.

CMU O linemen are typically between 240 and 260, usually with one or two bigger boys (recently RT B. Freeman and graduating C A. Ciotti).  This year's line might be a touch bigger than last year's - the replacements on the left side are a little bigger than the boys that they are replacing.

Welcome to all the new UAA players and good luck to all UAA teams this year.  I will be attending grad school at UPitt and will be at Gesling on Saturdays to cheer my friends on.  Go Tartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 11, 2008, 11:11:00 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on June 11, 2008, 10:04:13 PM

That graduating CMU tackle was a lot closer to 230 than he was to 260, hahaha.


As you would know best.   ;)

Good luck w/grad school
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 12, 2008, 09:55:23 AM
cwru70,

I found this:

http://www.ohio.com/sports/high_school/19814474.html

Quote: • Eric Street, Coventry, Case Western Reserve University. Street, a wide receiver/defensive back, was an All-Portage Trail Conference selection to the first team as a senior and the Comets' Offensive Player of the Year.

Do you have any inside info?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 12, 2008, 04:02:35 PM
Nice find, Maj.   No inside info.  There's a junior DB at CWRU, Kevin Street, from the same high school.  Pretty good bet they're related.  He hasn't played much.

Eric Street is listed at 6'1, 170.  He was HM All-District as a WR.  Looks like he played DB too.  He was selected Coventry's male athlete of the year.  Coventry is a DIII football program.  Won't be many openings at either WR or DB for the next couple of years.

CWRU's website is starting to look toward the fall, boasting the Lindy's ranking and listing the opening of camp (would that be the agoge?) in exactly two months from today.

I also just read that Jerry Schuplinski, head coach of Trinity High School in Garfield Heights, has been hired as an assistant coach.  He's a JCU grad (no surprise).

My search also turned up this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080420190426AAYzDED
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 22, 2008, 06:41:35 AM
On another note, The Sporting News college football annual has Case ranked #12 in their pre-season Division III rankings.

Gosh, I sure hope we can live up to all the pre-season hype we've been getting!

FWIW, The Sporting News, which recently merged with Street and Smith's, is BY FAR the best college football annual, and it has BY FAR the best Division III preview of any of the major college football annuals.

Their one paragraph write-up on Case spoke particularly about QB Dan Whelan, who will only be a junior this year, and will undoubtedly be a pre-season DIII All-American next season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 22, 2008, 12:39:19 PM
There were a number of So QBs who had good years last season.  Hudson and Huffman at Wabash and Witt had higher efficiency ratings than Whalen, but Whalen was all region.  The loss of two all region lineman could hurt CWRU's passing attack in 2008.

CWRU is going to be last in UAA in posting its 2008 roster.  CMU's site now has added 41 players for 2008, 39 frosh and two sophs.

I don't see a 6'3 260 lineman though.  There is a 6'2 255 C.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 22, 2008, 07:15:10 PM
This year should be another interesting season in the UAA.  I'm not sure if this has been mentioned recently, but in the last four years each of the four teams in the conference has won the title...and arguably none of the teams that did so would have been favored entering the season (maybe Wash U in 04, but certainly not Chi in 05, CMU in 06, or CWRU in 07).

With that in mind, I'd say this could be as interesting of a UAA season as we've seen for a while.  Case is undoubtedly the strongest - on paper.  But the other three teams all return enough talent to expect a very competitive conference season.

CWRU is especially strong at QB and WR, also returning a fair number of starters from the defense.  CMU lost a gazillion rushing yards, but returns a strong group of offensive lineman and a lot of experience in the defensive back seven.  Wash U's strength looks to be at QB and in the secondary (especially the secondary).  Chicago lost of a couple of impact LBs (Fernandez and Insalaco) but brings back a freshman stud on the DL and some experience at QB.

Overall, a pretty interesting mix there.

Also looking forward to the UAA-NCAC agreement, if for no other reason than the possible development of some new rivalries and more consistent scheduling.

Signing off for now,

ex-TartanPlayer
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2008, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 22, 2008, 06:41:35 AM
On another note, The Sporting News college football annual has Case ranked #12 in their pre-season Division III rankings.

Gosh, I sure hope we can live up to all the pre-season hype we've been getting!

FWIW, The Sporting News, which recently merged with Street and Smith's, is BY FAR the best college football annual, and it has BY FAR the best Division III preview of any of the major college football annuals.

Their one paragraph write-up on Case spoke particularly about QB Dan Whelan, who will only be a junior this year, and will undoubtedly be a pre-season DIII All-American next season.

Excluding this site's Football Kickoff, of course! ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2008, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 22, 2008, 06:41:35 AM
On another note, The Sporting News college football annual has Case ranked #12 in their pre-season Division III rankings.

Gosh, I sure hope we can live up to all the pre-season hype we've been getting!

FWIW, The Sporting News, which recently merged with Street and Smith's, is BY FAR the best college football annual, and it has BY FAR the best Division III preview of any of the major college football annuals.

Their one paragraph write-up on Case spoke particularly about QB Dan Whelan, who will only be a junior this year, and will undoubtedly be a pre-season DIII All-American next season.

USA Today's is better. This will be the third or fourth year it's been written by someone who follows Division III football day-in and day-out. Keith has written the preview once and I've written it three times.

With three quarterbacks returning from last year's D3football.com All-American team and two preseason teams, I doubt there will be room for Dan Whelan. Undoubtedly? Hardly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
USAT's should be on newsstands on Monday, by the way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 22, 2008, 10:14:54 PM
I was never able to find USAT last year and I live in a major metropolitan area.  I will search again this year.

ex-Player   I have mentioned the parity before.  With very few points changed any of the top three could have won last year's championship.

Unfortunately Chicago has dropped a bit.  There is not one QB listed among their incoming freshmen, so I don't see them challenging any time soon.

Pat, I took Maj's comment on Whalen to be the 2009 season, but that may have been because I don't see it happening in 2008.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2008, 11:11:18 PM
Ahh, yes, I can see where "next season" could be 2009. I still think of 2008 as next season, but ok.

USAT magazine should be out Monday -- generally bookstores and 7-11s are good locations.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 23, 2008, 07:37:51 AM
Pat,

OK.  I'll have to check out USAT.  That's not one that I normally look at.  I used to think that Street and Smith's had the best DIII preview (other than this site of course) among the major annuals, and now The Sporting News appears to have adopted the same level of coverage.

But USAT's definitely sounds great.  I'll be on the lookout for it!

As for Whelan, I was referring to 2009.  The 2008 pre-season All-American team was already listed in the DIII Write-Up from TSN.  I was saying that I thought that as a Senior, NEXT season (as opposed to THIS season), Whalen could be a DIII pre-season All-American.

cwru70,

Gosh.  I sure wish that the SID would post our recruiting class.  I hope it's another blockbuster like last year!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 23, 2008, 09:00:35 AM
Major....you said undoubtedly.  Are you Nostradamus?  Who will win the election in November?  Answer me that oh mighty prognosticator.  You seem to be predicting that Whalen will have an All-American year in 08'.  Because the way I see it, that's what he'll have to do to make your "undoubtedly" statement true.  Look, I just don't see how a QB on a solid team in a spread O with a very good D one year translates to All-American the next.  Sure it looks good on paper, but the games are played on the field.  There may be some UAA players on the other teams who have something to say about this, hell...the defensive guys just might want to make Whalen eat YOUR words.  There are guys for CMU who played exceptional last year, but I'm not about to say they are going to be All-American.  Sure I believe they'll have a great 08', but let's leave the bullcrap of listing All-Americans and what-not to Pat and people like him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 23, 2008, 09:24:50 AM
Quote: let's leave the bullcrap of listing All-Americans and what-not to Pat and people like him.

YES SIR!!!!  AYE-AYE CAP'N!!!!

;)

BDTartan,

There's nothing wrong with being enthusiastic about one's school, and it's top player.

This is just a message board for cryin' out loud.  I wouldn't protest if you wanted to predict that one of CMU's best players would be an all-American down the road.

Relax.

I'm hardly an expert, but then again, none of us are.  That doesn't prohibit us from expressing our opinions to the extent that they don't violate any posting guidelines.

I doubt that my post violated any, so please refrain from giving me orders on what to post.  Leave THAT to Pat and people like him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 24, 2008, 08:09:10 AM
First let me say that I never gave you an order to do anything.  Secondly, I only did what you did.....state my opinion.  Lastly, I was happy that CWRU accomplished the things they did last year, as I was that much prouder when CMU did it the year before.......Look back, I was enthusiastic, but I just don't agree with talking someone up when it's two years down the road.  As an ex-Tartan said earlier......the UAA could very well be up for grabs....the most competitive season in recent memory may unfold....or it might not.  Which is my point.  Say whatever you want, but I will not agree with something similar to your statement until somebody proves it.  Like I said, the games are played on the field, not on paper.  I should know better than most.  I easily assumed CMU would have a very strong year again in 07', but the ball didn't bounce their way a couple games and that turned into a 4 game losing streak.  That could easily happen to a solid CWRU squad in 08'.  If I offended you in any way then so be it.  Good luck to your Spartans in 08'......I'll be pulling for the Tartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 24, 2008, 08:58:29 AM
BDTartan,

OK, so I suppose that you requested, rather than ordered.

In that case, I politely decline your request.

Like I said, I wouldn't object if you wanted to build-up your team, so please don't ask that I not build up mine.

In the end, the game will be decided on the field, so if I'm wrong, why not let the game itself prove me so? 

I mean, if I talk, and the game itself proves me wrong, then you'll have that much more ammo to come after me with.  In light of that fact, is it not in your best interest to let me keep talking?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 24, 2008, 09:58:22 AM
So we have a semantic skirmish here.  The reaction was against your use of "undoubtedly" rather than say, "should be."  I pointed out that there are other QBs who will be seniors in 2009 who would be legitimate contenders as well, and also that a QB's success depends on the protection of his OL.  By 2009, only one of last year's starters will be left and this season the loss of two All Region linemen must be overcome for Whalen to have a 2008 that would merit a 2009 pre-season pick.  And as BDT points out he could be even more of a "marked man" this season.

So we see some doubt, that's all.

Camp begins in exactly seven weeks, and quite a few of last year's frosh made big contributions (Three were All UAA first teamers).  It would be nice to see who coming in would have that potential.  Last year's success should translate into another great recruiting class, but one that can concentrate on quality rather than quantity.  Let's hope the delay in announcing the class is waiting on commitments from a big catch or two that end up being reeled in.

Recruiting for 2009 begins this weekend with an on-campus camp for seniors to be.

BDT--About the only thing that could make this season more competitive than last would be a big improvement in Chicago, but I don't see that happening.  But it likely will be as competitive.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
"undoubtedly" is just a red-flag word. Nothing is "undoubtedly" about 2009 All-Americans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 24, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
Major, we know we have a couple qulity TE's in the fold.  That will help edge blocking as a good of player Sujtca is he doesnt have the size of these other 2.   

Hoping that Sinnko from Mentor (yes another Mentor product) can step in at G.  While not a large body he offers quickness and lever and can trap blcok in the spread O. 

As much as Whalen is a marked man operating from the spread gives him the field vision he needs.  I dont think any team can stop our WR's.  Too much talent to double everyone.  Im more concerned about moving the sticks on 3rd and 3 in bad weather...   Then again if we force teams to play in the nickle or dime most the game then running lanes will be there.

Give me an OL or 2 and an LB and I think those pieces compliment this talented group.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 24, 2008, 10:34:38 AM
I was off to a mtg.   No time to spell check...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 24, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
blue4

The incoming TE prospects aren't really bigger than Suitca.  He's listed as 6'1 220, while the listings I've seen for the recruits are 6'2 210 and 6'1 225.

And for all his ability, Sinkko's size is a question mark at G.  Unless he's bulked up in the off season, he's listed at 6'2 215.  That's nearly 100 pounds less than the player he'd be replacing and 60-75 lighter than the other likely contenders.

Last season I believe he played at TE (v Oberlin wearing #40), G, and C.  And he was listed in the playoff two-deep as a back up at DE.  To me his size suggests either TE or DE or even a blocking FB.   Put him in the backfield to lead block on 3rd and 3!  Or put him next to Whalen in the one-back set, if not this year then next year after Checkan is gone. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on June 24, 2008, 09:18:08 PM
testing
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 25, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
Not sure who are reffering to in your last paragraph regarding #40.  The RB position is solid even without considering any new frosh. 

We cant forget about Pfeiffer at TE (6,3 245)  Easily overlooked because we dont throw to them much.

You are right.  Sinkko isnt very heavy but there was some thought about moving away from larger plodding OL's to more mobile and agile players.  It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  Too bad Spring got hurt again and decided to hang it up.  As a freshman starter he would have eased the loss of 2 All Region lineman.

There also was some discussion about moving Suitca to LB to get him on the field more and use his athleticism.  The LB battle will be another interesting story.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 25, 2008, 09:30:01 PM
The #40 reference was to a picture that I saw on the Oberlin site from the 2007 game which showed Whalen under center with a tight end wearing that number, whicgh was not a number on the roster.  Recently I found pix taken by a player's family which had a picture of #40 sans helmet and it looked like Sinkko.  The FB thought was as spot player at least this year as a blcoking back.  Put him as lead blocker in the full house that is used in short yardage.

If Leshen can return from injury it will help as he also started a game at G as a freshman in 2006.  The lighter and agile mode is definitely in place for the tackles who are 240 and 245 and last year's backups 230 and 250.

Suitca began as a LB.  He would add some size to make up for Brew's departure.  That would be great if the TE from Solon works out.  I can foresee Pelyak moving from S to take Tiemeier's spot with Paramore (who rotated in a good bit) full time at S.  There are a number with experience who will be in the battle for the two open ILB spots.  As you say it will be interesting.

Thanx Pat for the #16 ranking in your USAT preview.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on June 26, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
I'm not worried about ammunition Major.....I could care less how bad you make yourself look or whether your statement comes true.  I just disagree with even making a remark of that nature.  It's all well and good to be optimistic, but a prediction of that caliber insinuates that you are cocky and brash and if this were a more frequented board then you would have been open to plenty of more shots than mine.  As I said, do and say what you want, but I won't agree with outlandish predictions based on one year of productivity in a highly productive offense.  Kurt Warner bagged groceries until he hooked up with Mike Martz and his high flying wide open offense, and might as well been bagging groceries after he left St. Louis.  Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not comparing Whalen to him.  I'm just saying that the spread O is conducive to any team with speed and an adequate QB.  Does adequate=All-American??  Who knows......Let me finish by saying this....I can see where Whalen has the "potential" to be All-American, but "undoubtedly" I just don't see it.  And let's not forget that I've seen him play twice, so I'm not going off of numbers.  I think he's a good QB actually, but I'm sorry, I don't see an All-American.  In fact, the only two players in the UAA I thought were truly deserving of that honor in my 4 years of following them were CWRU's Tom Brew and CMU's Aaron Lewis.  And my own brother played during that time period.  My brother is good and has the potential to be All-American(he was 1st team Academic All-American), but his position limits his skill set.  I personally think he would make a bigger impact at MLB, but he's happy at DE and so are his coaches.  I just enjoy watching these guys play the game.  They don't do it to go to the NFL and they certainly don't do it for scholarships.  They do it because they love the game.  I just hate to hear somebody say things that may set expectations for these guys.  I don't expect anything from any of the players I've seen at the D3 level.  They've already given everything they've got.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2008, 07:35:55 AM
BDTartan,

Well, BD, this may come as a complete and total shock to you, but my happiness doesn't exactly depend upon how you or any other particular person views my posts.

As long as my posts don't violate any posting guidelines, I'll continue to post what's on my mind, and I'll continue to say what I think.

All this over the word "undoubtedly?"  Gee whiz.  Some people are soooo dang touchy!!!!

I can tell you this much.  I wouldn't ask that you not post anything that doesn't violate the board's posting guidelines, and I sure wouldn't over-react to the use of the word "undoubtedly" the way that you have.  All I ask is the same level of courtesy.

PatColeman,

Where can I find that USAToday preview that you were talking about?  I couldn't find it at either Barnes and Noble or Books a Million.

Is it currently out at the newsstands?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2008, 09:18:21 AM
Maj-I couldn't find it at Borders either, but did at Kroger and at a gas station-conveniece store combo.  Pat suggested 7-11.  It isn't as long as TSN's or discuss CWRU.  But it does have a brief write up on another QB candidate for 2009 AA, Albright's Tanner Kelly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2008, 09:33:58 AM
cwru70,

Does it have a pre-season Division III Top 25?  If so, then is Case a part of it?

I'll have to check Kroger and HEB this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2008, 09:37:47 AM
#16   Just behind Wisc-Eau Claire and ahead of Wartburg and Wheaton.  At my Kroger it wasn't with the magazines, but was with the newspapers up front by the service desk.  It's tabloid format.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 27, 2008, 09:45:30 AM
My wife's Books-a-Million had it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2008, 09:50:17 AM
I thought the heads up on the format might help him find it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on June 27, 2008, 01:27:11 PM
lets see, last summer the big topic was maj spartan saying that there is no recruiting at the d3 level, this year it is him saying whalen is undoubtedly an all american in '09.

can't wait for next summer!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2008, 03:47:25 PM
Spartan81,

Don't misquote me.

I never said that there was "no" recruiting at the Division III level.  Hell, you can't tell me that a program like Mount Union hasn't actively recruited football players for a long time.  They would not have been so dominant for so long if they hadn't.  You're definitely exaggerating what I said, which, BTW, was limited only to Case, and can't be extrapolated to apply to all of Division III.

I simply said that back when I was at Case, I saw little in the way of formal football recruiting there, that every sport at Case besides football held open tryouts (which was a fact), and that even in football, many people were invited to come out for the team only after having been admitted as regular students (I'm living proof and can personally testify to that, having been called by Ron Stuckey after having been regularly admitted, and asked if I was interested in playing football).  I assumed that that was still the case, so the only way that I could think of to explain our sudden athletic renaissance was because of our recent increase in enrollment.

Apparently I was wrong, and things have changed.

Not to beat a dead horse, but obviously, things are a bit different now.  Case's recent recruiting success is definitely the product of excellent recruiting (something that the board's moderators have looked into and I have already acknowledged), and I'd like to believe that we'll continue to recruit well in the future.  Obviously it is improved football recruiting that has improved Case's fortunes in that sport, and I now acknowledge that.

OTOH, I'm sure that there are some Division III schools that have always done a lot of formal football recruiting.  I never said ANYTHING to the contrary.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2008, 03:55:23 PM
cwru70,

OK, I'll look for it the way that you described.

I'm sure that it's around.  I'll find it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 27, 2008, 04:05:29 PM
the changes in attitude about recruiting student athletes at case started about the time debs was named head coach.  long over due in my mind with all of the outstanding athletic talent in northern ohio alone...

brew was the building block that opened the doors to the mentor program as others did at their respective schools.  not every ohio kid can go to osu, a DI or mount.  the success of both the football and programs has given hope to the other athletic teams as well.  

new attiutde, new facilities, new successes...




Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2008, 04:24:10 PM
Don't know whether this would apply to Case, but the upsurge in football recruiting also coincides with enrollment problems at many privates, especially in terms of male students.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on June 27, 2008, 05:13:26 PM
Sorry for the misquote maj.....  just throwing a little comedy into the room.

Actually the upswing in recruiting and resources would be more in tune with the switch in AD's.  I know for a fact that Scafe was very involved and active in recruiting.  The problem was the resources given to him and what he had to work with.  One might speculate that given the current facilities and resources, Scafe might have stayed at his Alma Mater instead of defecting to JCU.  (Interesting note, would this in turn have lead to Perella coaching at JCU and being succeded by Coach Debs????)

Anyways, go Spartans!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 27, 2008, 05:24:53 PM
John Carroll's current facilities are no slouch either.

And yes, it seems ridiculous to suggest that Regis Scafe wasn't recruiting. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 28, 2008, 05:01:46 PM
At the time that Scafe coached, Case had some of the worst Division III athletic facilities in the country.

The construction of the Veale Center, which I believe took place while he was still there, ushered in a bit of an athletic facility renaissance.  This was followed with a new field turf football stadium/track complex, a new baseball stadium, a new softball field, and fancy new weight rooms.

In the space of about a decade, Case went from having some of the worst athletic facilities in Division III to having some of the best.

JCU, by contrast, has always had AWESOME Division III athletic facilities.  I can see how that would have given them an athletic recruiting advantage over Case for a long time, although the gap is much smaller now.

Anyway, I still can't find that USA Today college football preview.  But I'm moving, and will keep looking in my new digs.

Mr. Ypsi,

I don't think that that would apply to Case, given that we've had nearly record enrollment over the last two years, and have traditionally had a higher percentage of male than female students.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 01, 2008, 08:59:10 AM
Speaking of JCU, CWRU has open dates week 1 in 2010 and 2011.  It would be a great opportunity to renew the rivalry between the Spartans and Blue Streaks.  Perhaps a rotating schedule could be set up with with BW and JCU for week 1, a reinivention of the old Big 4.

Camp begins in six weeks, but still no posting of recruits.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 01, 2008, 12:03:42 PM
cwru70

that would be great for the schools, city and ne ohio in general.  maybe they could schedule a rotating series like you propose in browns stadium.

for now we will have to settle for this years scrimmage with jcu.  im guessing august 30th but thats also labor day weekend so we'll have to see.

surprised with the momentum the program has right now more updates and releases havent been made public......

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 01, 2008, 01:38:11 PM
In the late 40s and early 50s each of Case, Western Reserve, John Carroll and BW annually played the other three. I saw some of these games at League Park, Shaw Stadium and the field next to the old gym on Adelbert at Western Reserve - all of which were close to my home and reachable by me via CTS (Cleveland Transit System) although I walked the six blocks to games on Adelbert. The annual Case/Reserve game was played on Thanksgiving morning.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 01, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
Frank--before JCU revamped its website there was an archive with the cover of a WRU-JCU game from the 30's in Municipal Stadium.  I had saved the image, but lost in in a computer crash.   Case hosted Reserve at Shaw Field in 1967 after Clarke Field (the one on Adelbert) was torn down and before Finnigan Field was built.

blue 4--I wouldn't want the game off campus, but if JCU or BW travelled well Case Field (not sure there's ever been an official name declared.  I've seen both Case Field and Case Western Reserve Field used) might be too small.  Perhaps a HS field could be used if that happened (Cleve Hts?), but I'm afraid the game would look lost in Browns Stadium.

The scrimmage might be on Thurs or Fri because of the holiday (just an educated guess on my part).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 02, 2008, 09:18:47 AM
Case easily handled the Wabash fans.  I think either venue would be fine.  Not sure everyone would be happy at Cleve Hts....   They could always go to Byers.

And still no incoming freshman announcment.  bummer.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2008, 09:46:21 AM
Cleve Hts was about proximity.  I don't recall that much about the facility.  Lots of good HS venues in Cleveland area--Bedford and Lakewood, in addition to Parma's Byers. 

Wabash was Thanksgiving weekend so many students were gone.  And Crawfordsville's a lot further than Berea.  Case Field would look great with the stands full and students ringing the field.  I wish the design had terracing around the track to encourage that.

The Sports homepage was updated yesterday with the three preseason rankings featured.

The last few years CWRU has played JCU and BW in JV games.  I know last year the BW JVs lost only to Mt Union and CWRU (twice).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 02, 2008, 10:06:59 AM
Both Bedford and Lakewood would be fine.  Great PR for both schools locally.  Case has both JCU and BW on their JV schedule this fall.  They play both schools twice.

I saw yesterdays rankings announcement.  All good stuff.  I hope the team continues to work hard with the same attitude and approach as last year and not get too full of themselves.  I know Whalen, Cowdrick, Deitman, Goncalves, Calderone, Bott and Brown to name a few will keep them focused.

41 days
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 02, 2008, 03:55:03 PM
When I was a freshman at CMU in 2004, we played Case at a high school, I believe the name was Brush.  They had a very nice stadium.  Not sure about the proximity to Case & JCU, but it was a good place for a D3 game.

Also - is Calderone actually returning?  He's a very solid player, that's a huge factor for Case's D if he's back.  I thought he was done.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2008, 09:43:34 PM
I wouldn't think you would have fond memories of Brush High given the outcome.   ;)  I didn't mention it because from CWRU you pretty much go past JCU to get there.  Heights High is more in the middle.

I'll admit Calderone's eligibility puzzles me as well.  He was at Mich Tech (DII) and the CWRU media guide says he didn't play, but doesn't say as a redshirt or injury.  I'm pretty sure that I saw him listed on their roster.  In contrast, Mirando's year at Valpo was clearly denominated as a redshirt in the guide.  CWRU's roster listed Calderone as a soph both in 2005 and 2006.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 02, 2008, 09:47:08 PM
If he redshirted at a D-II school he doesn't lose a year of eligibility in Division III. (Except in the MIAC, which refuses to honor those redshirts.)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
I understand, but my point was that his status at Mich Tech wasn't clear. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 03, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
cwru70,

What was our JV team's record last year?  Against whom did we play?

Who were the major contributors, and are any of them expected to be major varsity contributors this season?  If so, then who?

Please let me know.  Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 07, 2008, 10:59:00 AM
Hmm.........

Still no recruiting news.

Strange.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 07, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Check for a PM
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 08, 2008, 11:31:17 AM
It finally made it.   All 28 of them.  Here is the link.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fall/football/2008recruits.htm

Never heard anything about the 6'7" WR but that could be a problem for some.  How could you cover Nicely, Kolesar and Cowdrick and let this beast roam free??? 

With 71 returners that puts us at 99.  A nice start for sure although I know of 2 returners who wont be back.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 08, 2008, 05:35:24 PM
blue4now,

I would have preferred that we sign a few more D-Linemen (especially DT/NT types), but at least we signed several LBs.

Twenty-eight seems like a relatively small total (especially compared to last season), but hopefully, we filled some needs.

That 6'7" wide receiver could be a dangerous target for Whalen, if he has even decent hands and speed.

We'll see!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 08, 2008, 05:36:20 PM
On another note, has anyone else heard about QB Dan Whalen's internship with Sports Illustrated in NYC?

Read on!

http://ncaa.com/football/article.aspx?id=280902
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 09, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
Newly listed CWRU recruits' post season awards:

Christopher Anderson  Marion Pleasant (Spartans)   6'  210  DE
D-IV All-Ohio 1st team (Special mention in 2006)

Cameron Boyd  Cincinnati Wyoming   5'8 175  RB (LB)
HM All-Dist D-IV  LB   [despite size played NT as Jr]   SW Ohio All-Star game             Looks quick and tough in highlight clip
http://www.scoutingohio.com/Cameron_Boyd_Wyoming.htm

Dale English   Holy Name   6'1  255  OL/DL
All-Ohio  D-III 2nd team   DL     5.1 40

Bryan Metlesitz   N Royalton   5'10  165  WR/DB
HM All-Dist D-I   Greater Cleveland All-Star game

Tony Opperman   Columbus St. Charles   6'2  240  G
All-Dist  Div-II  2nd team
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 09, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Nice....   They all have opps in areas of need particularly Ol and D.

34 days
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 09, 2008, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on July 09, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
Cameron Boyd  Cincinnati Wyoming   5'8 175  RB (LB)
HM All-Dist D-IV  LB   [despite size played NT as Jr]   SW Ohio All-Star game             Looks quick and tough in highlight clip
http://www.scoutingohio.com/Cameron_Boyd_Wyoming.htm

:o

Ran I  and T type stuff from fullback in that clip and Wing style from deep set back.  Both these skills could complement Whalen from Pistol as the new I from Spread and traditional T as shotgun.  Attendant hieght might limit abilities as McFadden in Wildcat as deep set back, but Felix ain't no slouch.

Should he find himself playing LB for Case, the player has noticeable ability to both take on blocks and slip them.  Case with the noted engineering program might have to 3-2 this guy with the Chicago or Carnegie physics labs.  RPI?

Case might want to conduct experiments on this Boyd character; because honestly, whether playing noseguard or running back the guy seems to command wormholes.  Think he's blocked, quickslip...  Think he's tackled, passes defenders..  Nice catch, guys.

signed,
Research and Development
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 09, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
I can understand him playing NT for DIV at that size but those days are over.  Despite being a DIII program everything here is bigger, stronger, faster....  Even the DI high school players who come here notice that right away.  Not every kid can go to OSU.  There are hundreds who end up at smaller schools for various reasons but it's still college football.

Sounds a lot like Deitman.  Plus there's Sasala, Bush and Checken, who in my mind is your short yardage north/south guy.

In any case if Boyd is the athlete you say he is then they will find a place for him.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 10, 2008, 12:12:38 PM
You do have to wonder about small school high schoolers and the level of competition they faced, although D-IV Mooney beat Mentor last year as I recall.  It's also hard to evaluate speed on clips such as this which may be altered during transfer.

Curious that Boyd is only listed at RB, even though he played both ways and his honors were at LB.  The comment by Coach Debs that he wished they had more recruits on D makes his RB-only listing even stranger.  I thought short stature RBs had the advantage of being screened by bigger O lineman.

Possible roles for Boyd:

D:  OLB/S position vacated by Tiemeier
      Situation substitution for a slower LB in passing situations

O:  WB reverse that Foley ran last year

ST:  Returner (surprised that he didn't return in hs)
       Punt coverage gunner
       PK blocker  Seems like he could slip by blocking back on end and get in front of PK.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 10, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
Safety is the first position I thought of.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 11, 2008, 09:10:40 PM
Speaking of blocking kicks, how about putting the 6'7 guy in the middle and letting him jump up and swat them away.  Give him soccer goalkeeper gloves to protect his hands.

MacLoed...there's nothing wrong with the CWRU physics department.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 11, 2008, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on July 11, 2008, 09:10:40 PM
MacLoed...there's nothing wrong with the CWRU physics department.

Know this, 70.  Just a little dig.  Besides, I'm trying to pick a fight.

signed,
Hobart Dishwashers
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 12, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
Carnegie Mellon has 39 freshman listed on their web site.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 12, 2008, 03:27:21 PM
But no 6'3 260 player.  There is a 6'2 275 FR and one  6'2 255.

CWRU has a recruit 6'1 255 with a 5.1 40 who was 2nd team All-Ohio.

MacLeod--little dig = little fight.  I took up the gauntlet.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 13, 2008, 10:28:34 AM
For everyone's reading pleasure....

I find myself bored on this Sunday morning, so I decided to make up a little capsule preview for each UAA team for the upcoming season, offering a recent player's perspective.  I think I've maintained a pretty neutral opinion, though.  Listed in order of last year's finish:

2008 UAA Capsule Previews

Case Western

Last Year: 11-1, 3-0 UAA

Returning Starters: 9 Offense (QB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, OT, OT, G)
                                7 Defense (DL, DL, LB, LB, DB, DB, DB)

Key Returnees: QB Whalen, RB Checkan, all three WR's
  DL Calderone, LB Brown, all three DB's

Key Losses: OL Jeffries, OL Zagorski, LB Brew, LB Tiemier

Team Strengths: Passing Game, Defensive Line (if Calderone is back), Secondary

Outlook: With experience all over the field, Case is the clear favorite on paper.  Whalen throwing to a veteran, productive receiving corps, with top two RB's back, and some experience on the offensive line, looks to lead a very solid offense.  The defense returns some key playmakers in Calderon & Brown, plus experience in the secondary and some key supporting players.  All the pieces would appear to be in place for another playoff run.  The cautionary tale: Carnegie Mellon had a lot of pieces back last year, and lost a series of close games that nearly cost them the winning-season streak.  However, Case certainly has a loaded roster on paper and could be a very dangerous team in 2008.


Carnegie Mellon

Last Year: 7-4, 2-1 UAA

Returning Starters: 5 Offense (QB, TE, WR, RT, RG)
             6 Defense (DT, LB, LB, DB, DB, DB)

Key Returnees: QB Pantalone, TE Wisnieski, RT Freeman
        DT Crites, DB McGovern, DB Scholl, DB Kresge

Key Losses:  FB Sivek, RB Gimson, OL Althouse, OL O'Donnell, OL Ciotti, WR Doo
             NG Reggie, DT Hauffe, LB Bodnar, LB Sisson, DB Vild

Team Strengths: Offensive Line, Secondary

Outlook: Carnegie Mellon suffered from a midseason swoon last year, but recovered to finish with five straight wins and an ECAC bowl game.  They lose two very productive RBs and the left side of the offensive line, but return ample experience up front with four-year starters Wisnieski and Freeman.  If the young RBs step up, the offense should be productive enough to win a few ballgames because of the relatively experienced defense.  The loss of some veterans in the front seven will hurt (Reggie, Bodnar, and Sisson), but led by Crites and a very experienced secondary, the defense has the talent to be solid; if they execute their schemes CMU will have another winning season in 2008.


Wash U

Last Year: 7-3, 1-2 UAA

Returning Starters: 5 Offense (QB, RB, OT, G, G)
             8 Defense (DL, DL, DL, LB, DB, DB, DB, DB)

Key Returnees: QB Smith, RB O'Brien
        DL Sensenich, LB Berryman, DB Brown, DB Machan, DB Olivos

Key Losses: RB Murphy, WR Casper, WR Cardone, OT Riegle
         LB McSparin, LB Elliott, DB Bawden

Team Strengths: QB, Defensive Line, Secondary

Outlook: Wash U had a very, very promising start to last season, coming back from a tough loss to powerful Wheaton with an impressive win at playoff team North Central, rallying to reach 6-1.  However, they faded in road losses at CMU and Case Western and finished 7-3.  This year, with CMU and Case at home, Wash U will look to reclaim the UAA title after upstarts CMU and Case won in 2006 and 2007.  Smith should do well at QB, and leading rusher O'Brien will run behind a pretty experienced OL.  The defense returns loaded, especially in the front four and the secondary.  Wash U should be very, very solid this season and should make a strong push for the UAA title.

Chicago
Last Year: 4-5, 0-3 UAA

Returning Starters: 8 Offense (QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, OT, G, C)
             8 Defense (DL, DL, DL, LB, DB, DB, DB, DB)

Key Returnees: QB Kiernan/Oium, RB Parks, WR Wolff
        DL Kadarabek, DL Emerson, DB Leamy, DB Swaim, DB Young

Key Losses: WR Albian, LB Fernandez, LB Insalaco

Team Strengths: Offensive Line, Defensive Line, Secondary

Outlook: Chicago has been very good in nonconference play and really struggled in the UAA over the last two years after winning the UAA title in 2005.  This year, we're not sure who the QB will be, but the winner will have a solid RB and experienced line in front of him.  Defensively, they return a lot of experience in the secondary and two playmakers on the line.  On paper, they look pretty good – can they put it all together and
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 13, 2008, 01:29:31 PM
Nice job Tartan.  You forgot Webster so the top 4 WR's return.  Homyk had some looks after Cowdrick went down and and should contribute with a couple other newcomers making this position the team strength.

Pfeiffer is out at TE, Sujtca remains but may move to D.  2 TE recruits can make up for the loss provided they can block which is usually what the TE does in ths offense.

Jake May is listed as an OL but moved to DL last year and had a strong season.  Add Genovese and Calderone and that makes a nice front 3 to start with.

Even with Spring , Z and Jefferies gone, 4 OL with starting experience remain.

The pieces are there for at least 2 more strong seasons, but like I've said before, if this team works as hard as they did last year with that chip on their shoulder than they will be fine.  If they lose focus and get too full of themselves after last years success then it will be hard to repeat as a playoff team let alone as UAA champs. 

30 days.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 13, 2008, 11:14:41 PM
I'll second that (ex)Tartan Player.  Thnx.

I didn't realize that Scholl was coming back for CMU.  You didn't mention the three returning CWRU TBs who shared the carries last year, Bush (injured after game four), Deitmen (All-UAA 2nd team), and Meyer.

I think the new schedule with Rochester in game two will help prevent the complacency that might have prevailed if the schedule would have featured the same first three games against NCAC teams who were nearly 0-for the last five or six years.

I was doing my own quantitative analysis based upon All-UAA players returning which gives an edge to WUStL over CMU.

CWRU      7 1st team    8 2nd team
Wash U   4                    6
CMU        2                    4
UChi        2                    2

I'm 95% sure Calderone is returning, so CWRU has 3 starting on the DL returning.  Three different players started at NT.  A freshman, Griffith, had moved up to starter after the first couple of games and when he was injured Mey moved from OL backup and earned All-UAA 2nd team honors.

It's not as easy to dig up info on PA HS players as it is for Ohio, but here's what I found on a couple of CWRU recruits from PA:

Brian Rice WR/DB from New Castle is a speedster.  His best time in the 110H, 14.86,  would have placed him ninth in last year's DIII national championship.  He was an All-County football allstar and returned both a punt and a KO for TDs.

Ed Revers a G from Greensburg CC participated in a Pittsburgh combine and was rated in the same group as a couple of D-I signees (MAC & CUSA).  Probably only his size (6'4 252) kept him from scholarship offers (BC may have had some interest).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 14, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
Scholl did come in with my class, but he tore up his shoulder in our first scrimmage as freshmen and redshirted.

He graduated on time this spring and will be working on a Master's degree next year.

Another terrific example of the caliber of young man that plays football and goes to school in the UAA, and all of Division III.  They're not all angels, but there are a lot of great kids suiting up for these four schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 16, 2008, 10:11:52 PM
Must be I'm the only one without a life.  Aren't any of you Tartans, Maroons (BTW I just learned that Maroon is a term for groups of runaway slaves, particularly in Jamaica and other Carribean Islands where they helped develop jerk cuisine), or Bears googling your recruits?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 17, 2008, 09:18:05 AM
My best answer to that, cwru70, is that the last four years have taught me that we never really know which freshmen can play until they arrive on campus.  Sometimes guys that our coaches have high hopes for never become contributors, and sometimes guys that are "just another recruit" become contributors early.

Case in point: Robert Gimson was considered the third-best halfback that we brought in behind Whitman and another kid that barely played a down as a freshman before calling it quits.

Point being, it's very difficult to tell who's really going to become a player until the kids are at camp.  I think that most teams have to go into the season planning for no contributions from freshmen and considering any freshman that comes in and plays as a bonus.  While it would be fun to Google recruits and see what they did in HS, I just think that it's hard to predict who will contribute early based on high school accomplishments (although it is neat to see how many all-state players. 1000 yard guys, et cet you've got).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 17, 2008, 10:37:12 AM
I totally agree with you on that.  A some "All-Everything" players don't make it.  Last season's Ohio Mr. Football didn't get a DI scholarship offer and is walking on at a MAC school.  Last year an unheralded freshman OT ending up starting for CWRU and making All-UAA first team.  And speed alone doesn't make a football player.

Still it's a way to get excited about the upcoming season and give the staff props for a recruiting job well done.  And with the emergence of YouTube, it's fun to watch highlight clips.

But of course like all stats, you throw them out once the game is actually played and that all starts in 26 days.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 17, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
I was wondering that myself. Even on the web page, there isn't much information on the recruits. but I also noticed the large number of kids on the team, and how many had not even played a down last year.
I would imagine there is a huge difference in the D3 recruit, especially in this conference.
I'm interested to see how my son does, especially early on. I know there is a speed difference between high school and college, but since he's pretty fast, I would think there wouldn't be much of an adjustment time. He expects some, but he played against some pretty good kids in HS that are also playing in college.
Plus, in our case, the CMU coaches never saw him play in person, and all the coaches that did said he was much faster and quicker than they thought.
So, seeing the freshman for that first week is probably pretty enlightening. Then I'm sure we'll hear something.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 17, 2008, 01:58:44 PM
I suspect that the schools want to treat all recruits equally, at least until camp starts.  Don't expect too much official before the first game though.  There may be a preview/prospectus/outlook in the media guide, but that is likely to have been written early in or even before camp.

It may also be premature to write about returning players until camp opens and they actually report.

I'm sure your son will have a great experience at CMU, a great school with a great football program.  I just hope he saves his worst games for the Academic Bowl.   ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 17, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
Thank you, cwru70. He's been doing all the workouts, but he's been more focused on track. He is participating the National Junior Olympics in Omaha next week in the hammer throw. At least he'll be very flexible and quick.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on July 18, 2008, 05:29:47 AM
For what its worth I don't think alot of d3 coaches get to see their recruits play before they decide to bring them in.  Sure maybe a few, but I will add to TartanPlayer's point.....and he can probably vouch for this one.....my brother probably wasn't even high on their radar.  Some other kid Lackner was visiting in our area told him about my brother.  My brother was recruited as a LB, came into camp as a FB, and finished camp playing RB.  No significant time during his freshman year whatsoever, but then he switched to D-Line and its history from there.  As TartanPlayer mentioned in his capsule of CMU, my brother will be one of the leaders of this years defense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 18, 2008, 04:13:28 PM
cwru70

Tanski (Mr Football - Ohio) did have offers they just weren't to the families desires.  He visited the Ivy league but he didnt seem to feel comfortable.  Sad thing is he may never be anything more than scout team.  BGSu has the kid form Nordonia under scholarship and next years QB is aslo in the fold.  Doesnt leave much for him...  Sad really yet a family decision.

Athletics are the means to a quality education in your area of interest at the least amount of financial burden to a family while having the opportunity to continue to play the sport that got you there.  So you have to ask yourself:  What fits financially?  Does the school offer my educational needs? Can I realisticially have the opp to play for 4 years or possibly one?  And, if you do have the opp to play then will my friends and family be able to attend some or all of the games?

It is great to be recruited by the big boys.  Everyone loves you until it's time to show you the money.  Tough decisions are made by every collegiate athlete and their families every year.  It is sad that the Tanski's chose to pay for an education rather than accept any DII athletic scholarship or DIII offers (grants, etc) and not be able to see him play for some time if at all.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 19, 2008, 06:43:57 AM
Well put, blu4now.
Our high school had a 2300 yard running back, and he and his dad thought he could play big time ball. He was an inch or two short, a tenth or two too slow, needed at add about 20 lbs to an already sculpted body, and had only a 17 inch vertical leap. To make a long story short, they spent so much time trying to get a a D1 offer, that now he has nothing.
He would be an outstanding D2 or D3 running back or linebacker. He was also runnerup up in the State in wrestling and runnerup on the 4x2 relay in track.
Now he is going to BG--which has no wrestling or track program, and the football team doesn't want him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 19, 2008, 08:14:21 AM
Did you mean to say 17" VJ? If so. then he has very poor fast twitch muscles for a DIII RB - which translates to poor explosion and quickness - most probably couldn't contribute at RB for a decent DIII program.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 19, 2008, 10:35:14 AM
yes, 17". Interesting because of his wrestling and track. Runs a 4.6-4.7 40, and no one caught him from behind last year, and we played against some teams with very fast kids. My son says his technique in the VL was poor (his was 25" with 260 pounds, and another thrower's was 28").
But, it's a numbers game--I know that. But between the tackles, there was not a better runner in Ohio last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 19, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
I respect your opinion of this kid and agree with the numbers thing.  where did he gain these yards, DI? or was it one of the other 5 divisions?  In Tanski's case he doesnt have bigtime size, mobility or arm strength for a major DI program.  He comes up short in the measurables while he's off the charts for field awareness, leadership, pocket pressence and the ability to make big play after big play when everyone is trying to stop him.  He doesnt have T Smith mobility and he throws across his body which hurts him only being 6-1 or so.  The bottom line is hes a player who makes others around him play better.  Too bad we may never see him on the field again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 19, 2008, 04:27:52 PM
blue4

I never intended to denigrate Tanski or his family.  Perhaps I should have said no D1A offers.  My intention was to point out that the AP selectors might not always be the best to judge potential college success.  If he fits in at BG and gets the education he seeks, then he's made the right choice regardless of whether he plays.  If not, then the DII opportunities will probably still be there in a year or two.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 20, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
cwru70  I know you didn't.  I was just referring to him as a case in point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on July 20, 2008, 11:20:14 PM
Haha, for every one kid we talk about that has potential and didn't get an opportunity there are thousands more out there in the same position.  The fact of the matter is....there are only so many roster spots at every level and there are bound to be plenty of odd men out.  It is sad to see somebody with potential be overlooked, but for those of us who know these young people in that situation we all know they'll make it in life in another way.  I'm not saying its fair......life isn't fair.  Why do pro athletes make millions while our nurses, cops, firefighters etc.. are struggling to make a living and feed their families?? Yet these pro athletes keep getting bigger and better contracts?!?!  Which is why I absolutely love watching these guys play ball because as I've said before, these kids aren't playing for a scholarship or a chance at big money.....it's the love of the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 22, 2008, 09:25:23 PM
Brian Calderone--pre-season AA 2nd team

http://www.d3football.com/tow/08/preallamericans.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 25, 2008, 07:10:59 AM
Maybe this is not the forum, but.......My son just finished his high school track & field career at the USATF National Junior Olympics with a 2nd place in the hammer throw. His distance of 189 was a personal best, and sets him up well for a great career in track at CMU.  A point of interest here. The first place thrower was his high school team mate, who will be a junior in high school this coming year.
Now on to football. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 25, 2008, 10:31:43 AM
Congratulations to your son.  I take it that's the lighter high school weight, not the NCAA one, not that that diminishes the accomplishment.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on July 26, 2008, 07:26:06 AM
Yes, it was the lighter one. His coach wants him to go to one more meet and throw the college weight, to get a good distance under his belt in competition, and maybe throw further than Carnegie's record of 172'11". But, as you know, football is starting, and he doesn't have time.
He has troubles with the high school one because he can't feel it when he's spinning. It's too light. His form is much better with the heavier weight, and he can push the ball because he can feel it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 27, 2008, 06:43:43 PM
I watched Spartan OL recruit Tony Opperman last night in the Central Ohio All-Star game.   I don't claim to be a scout, but he looked quick and agile pulling to lead the sweep.  He played the whole game at RG, most of it blocking a 280 lb lineman who is going to Ball State on a scholarship.   Only once did he get beat when his opponent managed a -2 yd TFL on a running play.  When he wasn't lining up against the DIA recruit he was blocking a 275 lb lineman headed to Lake Erie.  Several of his teammates on the OL are going to DII programs.

He was listed in the program as 6'2 245, but he was 250 on his high school roster and 240 on the Spartan one.  Seems like he would fit in the previously discussed move to a smaller more agile OL.

It all starts in a little over two weeks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 27, 2008, 07:51:14 PM
cwru70's post got me thinking, especially the line about a shift to a different style at CWRU, so...

Lineplay in the UAA

Most of the UAA schools don't really seem to have a strong tendency towards one type of OL or another; I've seen OLs big and small over the last four years.  Of the OLs that were named first team or second team All-UAA last year,  there were guys ranging from under 250 up to about 300+.

Big (over 275)

CWRU's Jeffries & Zagorski, CMU's Freeman, WashU's Reigle

Medium (250-275)

CWRU's Breon, CMU's Ciotti, WashU's Frogge & Brooks

Small (under 250)

CWRU's Center & Kluczynksi, CMU's Althouse & O'Donnell, WashU's Elliott, Chicago's Dedeker

The previous left tackle at CMU was 6'2" and 315.  I played at a comparitively puny 5'11" and 230 (and my replacement checks in at a meatier 6'2" and 265).  Chicago had those twin towers at OT a couple years ago, but now has a lighter standout in Dedeker.  CWRU started two giants on the interior, but had relatively lighter, quicker kids at the tackle spots.  It seems that most of the UAA teams just take what they can get on the OL as far as size is concerned, and emphasize technique and footwork as the key performance aspects.

Does this carry over to the defensive line? It seems to.  I seldom remember playing against any true behemoths in UAA play on the DL - the best ones over the last few years have been guys like Wethington (WashU '06), Tamillow (Chi '05), Crites, and Calderone.  None heavier than 240.  The best big guy recently was probably CMU's Reggie, who checked in around 275.  Chicago's up-and-comer, Kadarabek, is a smaller guy also.

By the way, cwru70, all of this should bode well for your recruit - if he can handle himself well against 280 lbers and also lead the sweep, he seems to fit the basic profile of a UAA lineman, which is - one that can play football!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 28, 2008, 08:45:35 AM
cwru70

excellent!  another piece that fits the puzzle.  and debs isnt shy about playing frosh who can play, especially on the OL.

tartanplayer

nice work on the OL/DL size.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 28, 2008, 08:50:51 AM
I read somewhere (probably this site) that OL was the toughest position in D3 to fill.

The cliche' about the the size of the fight in the dog comes to mind.

Speaking of Coach Debs, with all the HCs being courted by the bigger guys, how long will he stay?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 28, 2008, 11:22:58 AM
time will tell.  he's a local guy.  i know some players and parents are high on him while others would like for him to move on.  the common thread seems to be even more aggressive on both sides of the ball.  you cant please everyone.  thats pretty much the way it goes in coaching.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 28, 2008, 12:27:49 PM
The dsfootball.com 2008 CWRU Preview has been released.

http://www.d3football.com/preview.php?id=1144&year=2008


GO SPARTANS!!!   GO CASE!!!   GO BLUE!!![/b]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 28, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
The previews are "submitted by the individual schools and are edited by D3football.com staff."  Like most this one raises as many questions as it answers.

QB is really thin with two departing and moving Kingscott (the most experienced backup returning) to S.  With only one Fr QB not sure who the "or two" newcomer could be (one of the WR/DBs?).  Presumably Kingscott would return to QB if there was an injury, since Paramore played a lot last year at S rotating with Pelyak.

Perplexed by the "no true tight ends" comment.  The departure of Pfeiffer seems to have short circuited Suitca's move to LB ("Suitca will be the incumbent"), or perhaps not ("move some guys from other positions" to LB).  Brown is the only LB who gets mentioned.  Conspicuously absent is Ben Chlebina.  The other Chlebina is no longer listed on the roster, hopefully he hasn't departed as well.  But if he has, that would make the 17 of 22 returning starters wrong, as well as Debeljak's quote referring to two vacant positions.  If those spots are filled by moving players and sophomores, then three of last year's backups, two of whom have at least one start, are going to be left out in the cold.  Who besides Suitca might move to LB?  Foti, Richards, or Shepard from DL?  Schweiger from WR?

Given his size, I suspected that Pelyak would move to Tiemeier's position.  Paramore got a lot of experience last year with the number one defense.

As you said earlier, I'd like it if someone other than Whalen did the punting, especially with the lack of depth at QB.  Hope the freshman Murphy can take that job.  Does Whalen's punting put more pressure on the receiving team or punt protection?

Nice to see the preview up early.  Last year's never made it.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 29, 2008, 11:13:18 AM
i dont want my qb punting either unless the situation (inside the opp 50 and short yardage) calls for it.  murphy should be able to get the job done as a pure punter.

no mention of silvi, shaver or lotz who had reps at LB.  sweigert can move to d and still be an emergency qb.  cowdrick played some qb at mentor and has done so in some weekly 7 on 7's.

i dont think the move of suitca from TE to LB if it happens will hurt much since we dont really only use the pos much.  the freshman can offset that or another lineman can line up there given that our TE usually only has a doz rec/yr.

all in all it will be interesting to see how things pan out.  any idea if the jcu scrimmage is at case or there?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 29, 2008, 09:48:23 PM
The other name at LB I expected was Chris Wolfe.  He had two starts in '06 when he and Brown split time.  I'm not surprised that Silvi and Shaver might be pushed to the side by sophs though.  Lotz is a soph and would back up Chlebina and Pelyak I would think.

TE has been little used the last two years in receiving 1 catch last year, 5 in '06.  In '05 McDowell caught 15, but he was also used split out wide some of the time.  Last year at least half of the time the formation had no tight end though.  Suitca's move is probably on hold until the freshmen prove themselves.  I guess may be the "true" tight comment was meant to mean ones who played TE in high school.

There are both men's and women's soccer games both the 30th and 31st in the stadium, so unless the scrimmage is Fri, I'd guess it's at JCU. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 04, 2008, 10:01:40 AM
Story on Opperman in the all star game:

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/bexley/stories/2008/07/30/0731befootball_sp.html?sid=104
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 05, 2008, 10:46:11 AM
d3.com Top25:

CWRU #19    CMU-1 vote
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 07, 2008, 08:28:20 AM
Just saw on the CMU webpage that the CMU@Allegheny game this year will be televised on FSN Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on August 07, 2008, 09:37:20 AM
What might that game draw at the gate?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on August 07, 2008, 08:28:20 AM
Just saw on the CMU webpage that the CMU@Allegheny game this year will be televised on FSN Pittsburgh.

Live or delayed?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on August 07, 2008, 01:18:25 PM
Live
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 10, 2008, 05:30:08 PM
WUStL preview

http://www.d3football.com/preview.php?id=1146&year=2008


Tom Zagorski is going to be a GA at John Carroll
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 12, 2008, 09:40:58 AM
It was reported from NCAC media day that Witt @ CMU will be tape delayed on ESPNU.  Apparently the broadcast is being sponsored by CMU.

Players gotta be loving the lower than normal temps as practice starts!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 16, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
What does tape delay technically mean??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 16, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
It will be taped and shown the following day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 20, 2008, 07:56:33 AM
Okay, thanks....but will it be shown everywhere the following day on ESPNU or is it just a regional thing.  I only ask because we have family and friends who can't necessarily travel and see my brother play so this would be a perfect opportunity for them. 

Also, CMU scrimmages Waynesburg this weekend......any other scrimmages on tap??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 20, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
All I know is what I read in the Springfield paper which I found from this site.  The fact that it's not mentioned on either the CMU or Witt sites suggests don't count on it yet.  Is it possible they got Wittenberg and Allegheny as well as ESPNU and Fox Sports mixed up?

I don't know if "the U" has regional broadcasts.

Seems a little early for an outside scrimmage.  Most teams are having intrasquads this week and outside ones next.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 20, 2008, 09:25:01 PM
According to the new roster about a dozen players have added from 5-20 lbs since last season.  Most of them are WRs or LBs

Tiemeier and Tuertscher are staying on campus with the coaching staff.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 22, 2008, 10:28:31 PM
Gang,

The latest USNEWS rankings were released today.

The University Athletic Association remains the "Ivy League" of Division III.

Here are the rankings of UAA Schools:

Chicago #8
Wash U. St. Louis #12
Emory #18
Carnegie Mellon #22
Brandeis #31
NYU #33
Rochester #35
Case #41
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on August 23, 2008, 05:07:30 AM
Major: You have overlooked NESCAC. Run its numbers if you like.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 23, 2008, 06:14:24 AM
Frank,

I haven't overlooked them.

The "Ivy League" consists of comprehensive universities, NOT liberal arts colleges.

By contrast, he NESCAC consists of liberal arts colleges, not comprehensive universities, (Tufts excepted) and as such, cannot logically be the "Ivy League" of Division III.

Now then, having said that, the NESCAC is undoubtedly the most academically elite conference in terms of "liberal arts" colleges.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 23, 2008, 08:33:22 PM
CMU scrimmaged Waynesburg today....don't know much yet, but I do know the Tartan defense sounds good, giving up its first score 14 plays into the scrimmage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: plaidfanatic on August 25, 2008, 08:44:26 AM
Offense looked good also.  scored quickly on first set of downs.  Scored often after that but didn't keep track.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2008, 10:26:06 AM
Did Heller (#3) play much for Waynesburg?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2008, 10:37:21 PM
The coaches predict a three way race:

TEAM                      PTS    2007 RECORD
Case Western (2)       8      11-1, 3-0
Carnegie Mellon (1)    7        7-4, 2-1
Washington (1)          6        7-3, 1-2
Chicago                    3        4-5, 0-3 
 
 
 

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on August 26, 2008, 08:29:16 PM
I don't know much about the scrimmage to be honest.....I didn't go to it.  I spoke with my brother and what I came away with was that the number 1's played well and it sounds like they just have to ruff some things out for the opener.  Nothing major to work on by the sound of it.

I went to last year's scrimmage and to tell the truth I don't know much about Waynesburg but it sounds like CMU has a better overall team this year.  Sure they had a two-headed rushing monster last year, but it took a 4 game losing streak to bring that team together.  I think they are better prepared for a strong year this go around.  No doubt that a few players will have to step up on O, but it should be a solid season.  I've circled three games in my mind and those are @WUStL, @CWRU, and vs. Witt.  I think those are the toughest games on the schedule this year.  Ohio Wesleyan could be a nice test in the opener, but again, I don't know enough about them.  Almost forgot Hobart is coming to Gesling.  That should be a good game as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 27, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
Question.

Is our 1st game really being held on September 1st, rather than August 30th?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 27, 2008, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on August 27, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
Question.

Is our 1st game really being held on September 1st, rather than August 30th?
Earliest games in D-III this year are September 4th (http://www.d3football.com/schedule.php?year=2008&week=1).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 28, 2008, 01:11:03 AM
http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Case+Western+Reserve&year=2008
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 28, 2008, 07:48:44 AM
cwru70,

Thanks!

I had seen September 1st somewhere.  Must have been a typo!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 29, 2008, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 27, 2008, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on August 27, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
Question.

Is our 1st game really being held on September 1st, rather than August 30th?
Earliest games in D-III this year are September 4th (http://www.d3football.com/schedule.php?year=2008&week=1).
My bad!

Pat Coleman blogs that the first game this season is BSC vs the new D-1AA (Pioneer League) program at Campbell on August 30th.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 11:09:56 AM
They had to get a waiver to do that, though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 03, 2008, 08:34:42 AM
Wow, all of that offseason chatter about CWRU and everything else......where did everyone go?  This board has been dead and the season is 3 days away.

Well, then, I guess I'll be the one.........

CMU over OWU by 6.

CWRU over Kenyon by 18

WUStL over Greenville(did not know they were Christian Liberal Arts school) by 14

U. of Chi only plays 9 games this year and starts the season with one of their byes

It will be nice to have a read on Witt. since WUStL plays them in week 3.  Doesn't mean much, but at least we will see how one of the UAA's more consistant teams matches up against one of the NCAC's best.

GO TARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 03, 2008, 12:30:46 PM
It all starts sat at Kenyon for our boys in blue.  A strong freshman group compliments an already talented team of 18 starters.  here are 2 recent articles:

The Lake Co News Herald
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2008/08/23/sports/doc48af9f1792d3c669637028.txt#photo1

The Cleveland Plain Dealer
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2008/09/case_western_reserve_preview_w.html

GO SPARTANS!!!   GO CASE!!!   GO BLUE!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 03, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Blue doesn't seem right. Bring back the Redcats!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OhioFootball00 on September 03, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
just discovered this forum after months of posting on another forum...im a big UAA follower...love the academic-athletic balance...look forward to having insightful conversations with you all this season...good luck all teams
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2008, 09:09:06 PM
The PD writer's cred suffers since he thinks CMU will be last in UAA.  Two good articles on the Spartans though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2008, 08:32:02 AM
Looks like Nick Spring is back on campus, albeit unable to play because of injury.  He's coveing the football team for the campus paper.
http://observer.case.edu/Archives/Volume_41/Issue_2/Story_2816/

Unfortunately this week's article provides no answers to how the OL and LB holes will be filled.  As far as OL only "We have a couple of good freshman that are young, but developed well during camp. We also have a couple veteran guys than can step up..."  And LB "There has been a lot of competition this year and nothing is set in stone."  The only new player mentioned by name is Dale English DL from Holy Name.

From today's PD:
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1220603590159570.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

Both of these articles misspell Bill Deitmen's name.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 05, 2008, 09:03:52 AM
I think they will be fine.  Some of the new guys have both size and quickness.  With all of the returners it should be easier working the new guys into the mix of things.

Spring is back and has had the itch to return however his injury wont let it happen any longer.  He is still involved so that helps both him and the team.

Still wondering how Sujtca and Kingscott will be used and if it will be on D.  Baum was Whalens backup during the JCU scrimmage but he is small.  Cowdrick said he is the emergency QB.  Lets hope the OL does its job to keep Danny on his feet. 

GO SPARTANS!!!   GO CASE!!!   GO BLUE!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2008, 09:31:17 AM
I'm much more curious than I am worried.  Depth is a great thing.  Having back-ups work with the #1 unit is a plus.  If they can rotate in fresh players of equivalent ability they can wear down the other team.

Baum is listed at 6'1 195, was it the freshman Baz who was the backup?

Kingscott now has the DB like #21.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 05, 2008, 01:13:39 PM
breon is out but that should be it.........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 06, 2008, 12:10:04 AM
I could see where some people, such as the Plain Dealer writer, could make a case for CMU being weak on O.  Losing two RBs that amassed 1000 yards on the ground the past two years definitely leaves you with question marks.  I personally think they will be all right.  I think the system has proven it can produce.  CMU has been running it for decades.  They have a capable FB replacing Sivek in Sr. Ryan Phillips.  He's a very strong downhill runner who breaks tackles well and gains maximum yardage.  I think Sr. Greg Pitts will play at RB as well as Jr. David Babcock.  Jr. Phil Pantalone will start at QB.  He started the last 5 or 6 games last year, winning the last five games including the ECAC Southwest bowl.   

Again, the D is their strongest unit this year.  Lots of experienced players returning all over.  Not a whole lot of depth at D-line, but they have plenty of that in the LB corp.  Could see a steady rotation of LBs.  They also return all 4 starters in the defensive backfield.  Led by big hitting Sr. Steve McGovern and Jon Scholl, a 5th yr. senior and the teams leading tackler last year, they should be able to give the D-line and LBs plenty of time to make a play in the backfield.  They'll miss Matt Adams at the P position......but things would have to be pretty bad to start worrying about your punting game.

Go Tartans!!  And good luck to the rest of the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2008, 09:19:21 AM
Go Spartans and Tartans and Bears!!!

I was giving WUStL a slight edge over CMU, but no way will Chicago beat CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2008, 06:21:24 PM
UAA 3-0

CWRU 62   Kenyon 27
CMU 35  OWU 7
WUStL 22  Greenville  0

Cover jinx?  Co-captains Brian Calderone and Dan Whalen were on the Media Guide cover and both left the game in the second quarter with injuries.

Whalen was 11-14-0-199  2TDs  5 rushes for 40 yds

Joey Baum finished the second quarter and the only possession in the third quarter.  He was 10-13-0-117 2 TD  passes and 1 rushing (sneak).  Two freshmen mopped up the fourth quarter when the bench was cleared.  Six different RBs and three QBs carried the ball and eight different receivers had catches.

A couple of new fronts were shown on D.  Freshmen Derrick Sharp (CB) and Tony Opperman (LG) started and Brian Metlesitz ran the ball, caught a pass, played DB, and had a TD KO return called back.  Former RB Lee Sasala started at LB.

All the Lord's scoring was in the fourth quarter and against the back-ups also aided by a snap over the QB's head recovered by Kenyon at the 4.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 06, 2008, 06:26:39 PM
OWU wasn't a bad football team,  other than a drive where stupid mistakes setup OWU's only score, CMU's D lived up to what I expected.  They were all over the place and the secondary looked like they were ready to roll in June.  The secondary caused all of OWU's turnover's....3 picks, two of which returned for TDs, and a FF by a DB.  And as I thought, the O was solid.  Phillips ran well and broke a lot of tackles that I don't remember seeing Sivek break.  A very strong 35-7 victory.  If they keep playing this way it could be a cause for concern for you Spartan fans.  A healthy, on-point D may have something to say in Cleveland this year.  Remember, last year's game wasn't a high scoring affair, and I think CMU's D is a few steps ahead of the 07 version.  Time will tell though.  
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2008, 06:56:52 PM
The Bishop's used two freshman QBs who were picked off three times.  Discussion on the NCAC board doesn't say why they had tu o use them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 06, 2008, 09:08:24 PM
How badly injured are Whalen and Calderone?

Will they play next week?

It would definitely hurt to lose the people considered to be our best players on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
Calderone came back for a few plays, but had ice on his knee (left, if I remember correctly) in the second half.  Whalen was up and standing shortly after he went out.  He had gone down awkwardly getting out of bounds on a three yard scramble.  He was on crutches after the half though.

Baum was impressive throwing the ball, I don't think he's as mobile as Whalen though.

Cowdrick also only played a series or two.  He was on the sidelines without pads after the half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PlaidMan on September 07, 2008, 07:29:22 AM
The little bit I saw on streaming video of CMU was impressive. They look to be in mid-season form, especially on defense. That's the first time I saw them play. I liked what I saw.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 07, 2008, 01:57:17 PM
Cowdrick and Whalen are hamstring injuries.  Time will tell how they recover.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 10, 2008, 09:43:52 AM
Any updates on whether Whalen and Calderone will play this weekend?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Waiting for Whalen's SI blog tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 10, 2008, 08:46:34 PM
I'll concede that the Bishops used Freshman QBs, but neither one was horrible and made capable plays at other points in the game.  As Plaidman said, the D seemed to be in mid-season form.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: old scot on September 10, 2008, 09:38:10 PM
BD,
  Keep tour eye on #31 for CMU. He is a slot back/ wing back. Had 5 touches against OWU for a 7+ average. Tough kid with above average speed.
He is a junior. This is the first year he went out for the team. He will definately help the running game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on September 12, 2008, 11:52:09 PM
Yes, I noticed him last week at OWU.  If I remember correctly my brother told me there was an upperclassmen who had run track or cross country previously and joined the football team.  It could be him.  Carney is his name I believe.  To be honest, alot of people touched the ball for CMU last week.  At the end of the game there was a fr. RB named Garcia, number 26, and he looked like he had some game.  Nearly scored on a long run at the end of regulation.  Ruzga saw some time at FB along with Phillips.  There is definitely potential in the future.  I believe the O-line is almost all seniors though.  That could be a question mark in the coming years.

I'm looking forward to the GCC game tomorrow.  Could be some wet weather, but that makes it interesting sometimes.  If CMU plays anywhere close to the way they did last weekend I think they win at GCC by two TDs.  I can't wait to see that CMU D again.

GO TARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 13, 2008, 12:19:52 AM
Chicago is a young team.  First game tomorrow hosting Kenyon - two weeks before classes start (Chicago is on quarters).  First year orientation starts Sep 20. 

Roster lists 65 players, 31 freshmen, 16 sophomores, 12 juniors and 6 seniors.  The two deep is as follows (starters, backups) -
Offense - includes kicker
Freshmen: 4, 4
Soph: 2, 4
Junior: 3, 3
Senior: 3, 0

Defense - includes punter
Freshmen: 1,9
Soph: 5, 2
Junior: 4,0
Senior: 2, 0
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on September 13, 2008, 01:11:57 AM
Quote from: martin on September 13, 2008, 12:19:52 AM
Chicago is a young team.  First game tomorrow hosting Kenyon - two weeks before classes start (Chicago is on quarters).  First year orientation starts Sep 20. 

Roster lists 65 players, 31 freshmen, 16 sophomores, 12 juniors and 6 seniors.  The two deep is as follows (starters, backups) -
Offense - includes kicker
Freshmen: 4, 4
Soph: 2, 4
Junior: 3, 3
Senior: 3, 0

Defense - includes punter
Freshmen: 1,9
Soph: 5, 2
Junior: 4,0
Senior: 2, 0

Magnificent post, Martin. I'll be rooting for the monsters until next week when they travel to Crawfordsville. I have a law degree from U of Chi, but it ain't the same as Alma Mater. GO Maroons!
      Next week it's Scientae et Virtuti. Wabash always fights
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2008, 02:12:17 PM
CWRU 24-Rochester 0 at the half.  Whalen dressed but not playing, Calderone not dressed, haven't seen Cowdrick.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 13, 2008, 03:30:14 PM
Is our depth that good, or is Rochester just really weak?

38-6 now, and Case is playing without 3 or 4 of its best players, including its best offensive and defensive player, respectively.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2008, 03:50:31 PM
The Spartans have depth...several #2s rotated in with the starters throughout the game as well.

Rochester plays in a tough conference.  They went to an ECAC post-season game last year too.

38-6 was final.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 14, 2008, 01:55:04 PM
Excellent game by the Spartans in horrible weather.  With Whelan, Cowdrick, Calderone and others out the depth of this years team is evident.

Debs has changed the attitude of this program and its being reflected on the field.  2 yrs ago a win like today with so many key players out would have been difficult.

Oberlin will be a bigger test.  They lost some key players to graduation but still return RV Carroll at RB and a tough defense.  Whelan may be back but Cowdrick (hamstring) and Calderone (knee) are looking to return after the bye week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on September 17, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
This reply is for CWRU fans and Parents .
I have a link to our photographers page. I sent out emails to Parents but as usual many were bad addresses and did not send.
In case you know of any Parents not getting emails , please let me know.
Thanks
Mike

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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 18, 2008, 07:39:46 AM
Any definitive word on which, if any, of the "Big Three" (Whalen, Calderone, Cowdrick) will be playing against Oberlin?

I want to see our two decade plus win streak against Oberlin continue, but without those three, I can't help but worry a little.

I suspect that Oberlin will be fired up, and could be primed for an upset.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2008, 08:26:40 PM
Whalen probable (practiced on Tues per CWRU site) the other two don't expect until Denison
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2008, 08:27:22 PM
Big win for the Bears today.  CWRU doesn't miss a beat even with all the injuries.

How good could the Spartans be?  They dominated Rochester and Oberlin while Oberlin gave W & J a game and Rochester just lost to St. John Fisher, but only by 7.

Average halftime score: 37-2.333
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 21, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
Roll, you Redcats, roll!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2008, 07:30:02 PM
Rough Cats?   Red Riders?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
The Spartan coaches have a unique scouting opportunity Saturday in Central Ohio with the open date.  Catch OWU in the afternoon then slide east to Granville for Wooster @ Denison.  Those are the next three opponents.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 24, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Dan Whalen is apparently truly in a conference (and divsion) of his own.  Neither the UAA nor NCAA list his stats.  It isn't that he hasn't had enough attempts (unless the NCAA thinks he played in all 3 games), since the UAA listing are regardless of # of attempts.  His 213 efficiency is third in D3.

BTW there's a new stats page for the NCAA, the one from the homepage here still goes to the 2007 and older one.  The new one has a team reports feature that puts stats for all teams in one place.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/mainpage.jsp
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on September 24, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Dan Whalen is apparently truly in a conference (and divsion) of his own.  Neither the UAA nor NCAA list his stats.  It isn't that he hasn't had enough attempts (unless the NCAA thinks he played in all 3 games), since the UAA listing are regardless of # of attempts.  His 213 efficiency is third in D3.

I believe the qualifying criteria is 15 attempts per team game, not per individual game.  Don't worry...your boy Whalen should have enough attempts to qualify after the 10/4 game. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on September 25, 2008, 08:42:26 AM
I am pretty sure the criteria is playing in 75% of your teams games.  So after he plays the next game he will have played in 3 out of 4 games and be ranked at that point.

Also, it has been might quiet on here from the Carnegie Mellon point of view.  I guess a 1-2 start will do that though!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on September 25, 2008, 08:57:01 AM
If you notice, Shaun Nicely is also not ranked.  For some reason he was not credited with a game played vs Rochester and only is listed with 2 games played??  I believe he started, but made no receptions in the downpour (Case only attempted 6 passes).  Actually, Case only lists 14 starters for that game for some reason.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2008, 10:10:15 AM
Great catch  ;) #81!!!  I have seen the 75% criterion.  Nicely is listed in the starting lineup against Rochester, but apparently that doesn't get you counted as playing or even starting on the season cumulative.  Only if you show up in the play-by-play does your participation count (at least for CWRU).  Sort of like the proverbial tree falling in the forest.  If you follow the stats closely you will see all kinds of errors (qbs w/ints, dbs w/catches, players not on the playoff roster making plays, plays credited to the wrong team's yardline making a 4 yard gain 42 yards).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on September 25, 2008, 01:57:29 PM
Nice CWRU stat fact:

With his 260 yards, Whalen passed Fred DiSanto for 3rd place in career Passing Yards in school history.

1. Eli Grant 6,792
2. Nick Leskiewicz 5,815
3. Dan Whalen 4,647
4. Fred DiSanto 4,442
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 25, 2008, 05:34:15 PM
Not a lot to say from the Tartan front, Spartan 81.

I saw the guys in action for the first time in a real ball-buster of a game against Hobart.  Gutsy effort from both teams that saw the Tartans come up just a little short.  MY observations:

Josh Kresge is having an outstanding season.

Moving Phillips to HB and Ruzga to FB will allow the Tartans to put a little more power into the running game.

The passing game is, ahem, still not exactly our strong point...

CWRU is off to a terrific start.  Congrats.  WashU looks good as well.  Hopefully the Tartans will pick it up so the UAA can maintain the reputation we've been building over the last few years as a tough little conference....two straight years with a playoff win?  Can we make it three?  Any takers?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2008, 09:06:36 PM
If Whalen stays healthy he's on pace to pass Leskiewicz this year and Grant mid season next year.

Tartans have Hiram and Kenyon next to help them get back on beam.

Pat Coleman writes about the Bears great start:

http://www.ncaa.com/football/article.aspx?id=373864
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2008, 10:06:54 AM
This week has:

Hiram @ CMU
The Scotties should have the biggest dog and more fight than the Terriers.

Chicago @ Elmhurst
0-2 Maroon 2-0 Blue Jays   Chicago has been relying on the run but their big horse may be hobbled.

CWRU v Injury
Can the Spartans avoid more and get healthy?

WUStL gets another week to relish the Witt win and prepare for Rhodes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 02:00:27 PM
U of Chicago at Elmhurst on deck:
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 02:08:28 PM
Elmhurst 3, U of Chicago 0  Still early in 1st Qrtr.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 02:21:13 PM
Elmhurst 10, U of Chicago 0   9 minutes left in 1st Qrtr:
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
Elmhurst 10, U of Chicago 0   End of 1st Qrtr:
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 02:53:15 PM
Elmhurst 17, U of Chicago 0  Just less than 7 minutes left in 2nd Qrtr:
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 03:18:29 PM
Elmhurst 20, U of Chicago 0  34 seconds left in 2nd Qrtr:
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
Elmhurst 27, U of Chicago 0  11:30 left in the 3rd Qrtr.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 04:15:09 PM
Elmhurst 27, U of Chicago 0,  End of 3rd Qrtr
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 04:29:11 PM
Elmhurst 27, U of Chicago 6  (Maroon's 2-pt conversion attempt failed).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2008, 04:49:17 PM
Elmhurst 27, U of Chicago 6   Final

A couple of early turnovers did the Maroons in.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 02, 2008, 07:54:35 AM
So far:

CWRU meeting expectations

WashU off to strong start

CMU slightly disappointing

U-Chi struggling
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2008, 09:14:36 AM
CWRU is revamping its website and the athletics pages have a great new look.  Hopefully the links will all be restored by the end of the weekend.

Go, Spartans and Tartans and Bears this week!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 04, 2008, 03:58:00 PM
Gang,

EVERYBODY should watch this cool new video documentary clip on Case's star QB Dan Whalen!

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/whalen_hq.wmvhttp://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/whalen_hq.wmv
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:52:02 PM
Ugly loss by the Bears to a SCAC mid-rung team Rhodes, 28-10, hurts the in-region record for WashStL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 04, 2008, 06:29:58 PM
TartanPlayer, good observation on Kresge.  I believe you were at todays game and if you were then you know he was an integral part in securing the W against Kenyon.  I've seen every game and its my opinion that CMU just has to execute and cut back on the the mistakes and turnovers.  The turnovers have killed them in their losses and close games.  Today I saw about five fumbles.  Once they start executing and limiting mistakes then they will have no problem giving the UAA a run for their money.  They've got talent and anyone who has seen them knows it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on October 04, 2008, 11:12:07 PM
A tip of the OAC hat to a very aggresive upstart CWRU football team. Always exciting when local teams besides Mount Union do well. Good luck the rest of the way. Hope to see you in Alliance come November.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2008, 11:48:31 PM
Thanks 70's, but I'm hoping for a meeting in December.

Brian Calderone's return to action was a rousing success, as he led the team in tackles: 4 solo, 4 assist, and 2.5 sacks.

A measure of the D's domination of Denison is that the two leading tacklers (and 4 of top 6) were on the DL.

Kenyon out-rushed CMU 282 to 276.  When was the last time the Tartans were out-rushed?

[Answering my own question:  11/25/2006  2nd round play-off  Wesley outgained CMU 203-145]

Great new features on the Spartan webcast, multiple cameras, replays, and a scoreboard banner (if only it could display down and distance).  The live broadcast on my computer still rebuffers almost every play though.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2008, 10:21:05 AM
Why has CWRU dropped a place in the Top 25?

Fisher was ranked 10th before their loss and had a 53 vote lead over #11 (thanks to Ralph Turner for pointing out this method of analysis).  When Fisher lost, a lot of votes were freed up and they seem to have mostly gone to two other East teams, Cortland and Del Valley, who gained 53 and 70 points respectively to CWRU's 24.  I've no quarrel with Del Vlley leap frogging, with wins over Salisbury and Wesley.  But Cortland jumped with a win over winless Buffalo St.

Further bad news is that with only 2 Pool B playoff spots this year, CWRU is competing against 25 other teams for those two bids.  Those teams include current Top 25 teams Salisbury, Wesley, and 4-0 Huntingdon.  Only 10-0 will assure one of those two spots.  One loss may put the Spartans in Pool C, where second place teams from the so-called power conferences rule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:32:10 AM
Copied from the Top 25 board, where a similar question was asked:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 12:16:50 AM
Appreciate the question, and welcome to the board. I don't think your base assumption is correct. I think Buff State is a better team than Denison.

Interestingly, their current Massey ratings are very similar to our preseason rankings in Kickoff.

We ranked Buff State 154 in the preseason and Massey has them 152 now.
We ranked Denison 171 in the preseason and Massey has them 171 now.

But more importantly, it's important to remember that the entire season resume can be re-evaluated each week. (We make sure the voters see this data so they can decide whether to use it. The AFCA, to our understanding from coaches who vote in both, does not.)

Here's the entire season resume for both teams:

No. 15 Case Western Reserve (4-0):
Sep 06   AWAY   Kenyon (1-4)   W   26-62
Sep 13   HOME   Rochester (1-3)   W   38-6
Sep 20   AWAY   Oberlin (1-3)   W   21-48
Oct 04   HOME   Denison (1-3)   W   45-14

No. 14 Cortland State (4-0):
Sep 06   AWAY   Morrisville State (0-4)   W   37-51
Sep 20   AWAY   Rowan (3-1)   W   20-27
Sep 27   AWAY   Kean (3-1)   W   28-32
Oct 04   HOME   Buffalo State (0-4)   W   35-14

Case has been pounding teams, yes, but all they've proven is that they're better than four bad teams. Cortland has proven it's better than Rowan, and that's a road game as well.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 07, 2008, 08:04:54 PM
cwru70,

I think that we'll move up with a win over Wooster, which is currently also undefeated.

If we run the table, then I can see us finishing the regular season around #10 or so.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on October 07, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
I had a chance to walk around CMU's campus today, which is nice.  Also checked out the field which is pretty cool.  The campus and field remind me a lot of University of Rochester.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2008, 11:04:08 PM
Sorry Pat Buffalo State isn't that much better than Denison.  But Cortland's wins over Rowan and Kean are more impressive than any of CWRU's.  My post was explaining the rankings, but not criticizing them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:18:17 PM
Agreed. But they are better. And it's the entire resume that is superior for Case.

Major: Before you assume a move upward for Case by playing Wooster, take a look at who Cortland is playing this week. You can't just look at one team and expect to project the poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
Cortland State plays 4-0 Montclair State.  Montcalir State's opponents have a combined record of 2-14 and Montclair State's average margin of victory is 3.75 points.

Case plays 4-0 Wooster.  Wooster's opponents have a combined record of 3-13 and Wooster's average margin of victory is 13 points.

You could probably argue that Montclair State and Wooster are comparable, but I definitely don't think you could argue that Montclair State is better than Wooster.

Granted, I don't see a win by Case automatically moving them up.  But I feel if they beat Wooster convincingly (not a prediction, but a hope :) ) and Cortland State has a close win, then Case should gain ground or pass them up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 08, 2008, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:18:17 PM
And it's the entire resume that is superior for Case.

Superior compared to whom?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2008, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
Cortland State plays 4-0 Montclair State.  Montcalir State's opponents have a combined record of 2-14 and Montclair State's average margin of victory is 3.75 points.

Case plays 4-0 Wooster.  Wooster's opponents have a combined record of 3-13 and Wooster's average margin of victory is 13 points.

You could probably argue that Montclair State and Wooster are comparable, but I definitely don't think you could argue that Montclair State is better than Wooster.

Granted, I don't see a win by Case automatically moving them up.  But I feel if they beat Wooster convincingly (not a prediction, but a hope :) ) and Cortland State has a close win, then Case should gain ground or pass them up.

I wasn't trying to argue that Montclair was clearly better than Wooster. I was trying to point out that before you go assuming that a Case win moves them ahead of Cortland you should at least know who Cortland is playing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2008, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 08, 2008, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:18:17 PM
And it's the entire resume that is superior for Case.

Superior compared to whom?

For Cortland, sorry. Or superior to Case's.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2008, 09:07:33 AM
The Spartans will be nearly at full strength on Saturday with the return of Luis Goncalves who took an interesting path to CWRU.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

Just found that you can find audio interviews w/players if you go to the news archive on the CWRU site.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 10, 2008, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2008, 12:11:22 PM
I wasn't trying to argue that Montclair was clearly better than Wooster. I was trying to point out that before you go assuming that a Case win moves them ahead of Cortland you should at least know who Cortland is playing.

I agree with you.  I wasn't the one arguing Case should automatically move up.  I was saying (and knowing you probably agree) that if they win much more convincingly, however, they should, as their opponents are fairly similar.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BDTartan on October 10, 2008, 09:18:21 PM
Yes, the Tartans had trouble with Kenyons running game.  Kenyon constantly ran a down trap but instead of the tackles continuing to block down they would take one step and block out on the ends in CMU's 3-4 which opened huge, HUGE holes in the middle.  Beilieve me, if CMU had not made a couple of adjustments the Lords would have easily eclipsed 300-350 yards rushing.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2008, 07:51:32 PM
Great games by the Spartans, Tartans, and Maroons(?!).  Good fight by the Bears.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 13, 2008, 11:08:42 PM
The NCAA has seen the error of its ways and recalculated the Pool B allotment back to three teams.  Gives CWRU a bit of slack to maybe lose a game and still make the playoffs.  Still need to win out to maximize seeding though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Garnet on October 14, 2008, 03:25:37 PM
I was chanel surfing Sunday night and came across Carnegie Mellon @ Allegheny on FCS.  The Tartans looked good. Their running back (#41) is a tough runner.

The Allegheny field looked great.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2008, 08:18:56 PM
I've seen CMU four times this year, that was probably Ruzga's best effort.  He's only a sophomore, and while he runs a little too high for my taste, he's a tough kid who's learning how to get the most out of his physical stature.  Garcia is a good looking freshman RB, and Phillips is filling the role of "blocking/recieving halfback" quite nicely.  CMU passing game is still very shaky, however.

CMU gets to rest up this week.  WashU enters an absolutely crucial game with Wooster for momentum's sake...after tough losses to Rhodes and Wabash they are badly in need of a win.  CWRU continues to steamroll along and probably will not be pushed until UAA play.  Also, congrats to U-Chi for getting off the schneid with a big win vs. Oberlin.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2008, 09:51:12 PM
WUStL @ Wooster
CWRU @ OWU
Macalester @ Chicago

Let's go three-oh!!!  Two in a row for Chicago looks good.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 18, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
CWRU 28 OWU 0 at the half
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2008, 06:57:26 PM
Spartans coasted from there.  Bishops got a TD against the second team D.  O looked flat in the second half again, but when you've got a big lead....   35-7

Injury report:  Calderone reinjured his knee and Nicely sat out the second half.  Looked like another hamstring.   ???

WUStL got beat by Wooster 38-13, their third loss in a row.

Chicago made it two straight beating Macalester 24-6.  Seems they've found a replacement for Parks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 18, 2008, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 18, 2008, 06:57:26 PM
Injury report:  Calderone reinjured his knee and Nicely sat out the second half.  Looked like another hamstring.   ???

Say it ain't so!  I only listened to parts of the game and missed the injuries.  Can you tell how serious for either of them?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2008, 09:20:20 PM
Dunno for sure.   Nicely's didn't look bad.  Calderone on the other hand didn't look so good.  I heard it was questionable if he would return from the injury at Kenyon.  They had cruthes for him, but I lost him on the sidelines late in the game.  When he returned v Denison it looked like he was full go.  But v Wooster, he didn't seem to be playing with his usual fire.  Tough if this is how his career ends.

On the bright side there seems to be plenty of quality depth on both sides of the ball.  Foti and the freshman Doolin filled in admirably for him before and should continue.  Getting him back for games 9, 10, and ... would be great though.

BTW, I 've heard Cowdrick will sit this year out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 19, 2008, 12:20:01 PM
Thanks for the info.  Not surprised about Cowdrick saving a year of eligibility.  Stinks to have Calderone out too, and it'd be a shame for him to end his career that way.  But I am really worried about getting Nicely back, he is really Whalen's main go-to threat and our offense is completely different without him out there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 19, 2008, 03:45:28 PM
A real Pyrrhic victory for Case, to lose players the caliber of Calderone and Nicely in an easy win over OWU.

UAA race should be very interesting.  Currently:

6-0 CWRU: Very impressive start.  Other than injury problems, everything has been smooth sailing for the Spartans.  Strong offense and defense.  Predicted finish: 10-0, 3-0

4-2 CMU: Weird loss to GCC in Week 2 puts a dent in what has otherwise been a quietly solid season.  Tough loss to a good Hobart team, a little sloppy in wins over Kenyon and Hiram, but a recent pasting of Allegheny suggests they may be hitting their stride.  Still faces a very tough Wittenberg team before opening conference play.  Could truly be anywhere from 5-5 to 8-2.  Predicted finish: 7-3, 2-1

3-3 WashU: Hard to get a good reading on the Bears.  A great win over Witt, followed by a disappointing loss to Rhodes.  A solid effort against Wabash, followed by a lackluster effort against a tough Wooster squad.  Most disturbing to Coach Kindbom has to be the Bears' fading in the second half each of the last two weeks.  Predicted finish: 5-5, 1-2

2-4 Chicago: Chicago has gotten off the schneid with two straight wins, but I don't think they're good enough to beat anyone in the conference.  Then again, the UAA has been very unpredictable the last few years...they were 0-4 at the opening of conference play in 2005 and won the UAA.  I think the UAA has taken a few steps forward since then, however.  Predicted finish: 2-7, 0-3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on October 20, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
Cowdrick is going to try to play this weekend at Hiram. Tough call for him.  One play and the redshirt is gone yet I know he wants to be out there contributing.  They miss his presence over the middle.  Nicely does a great job inside and out but this O is far more productive with them both on the field together.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 20, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Hopefully it works out for the best for him (and Case).  Do you have any insider info about Nicely or Calderone?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2008, 02:25:29 PM
Cowdrick is playing 3 TDs  Nicely not neither is Checkan  haven't heard Calderone's name


The first half onslaughts continue. 37-0

Cumulative after seven games first half   228-7!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2008, 04:11:07 PM
Final 50-14   Whalen sits the second half after going 14-20-0 3 tds 219 yds  Calderone didn't play   Webster wasn't dressed either

WUStL  24   OWU  3
Wittenberg  21   CMU  14
Denison  26   Chicago  14

CMU and Chicago covered the spreads from the NCAC pick-em anyway
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2008, 06:47:22 PM
Great return for Cowdrick, eight catches for 81 and three TDs.  Just in time too since neither Nicely nor Webster were able to play.

Could be interesting at practice this week as Mentor plays Willoughby South Saturday in the playoffs.

Any word on Checkan?  He dressed and warmed up, but didn't play.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 26, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
Yeah, I was wondering about Checkan.  Also, why didn't Webster play?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on October 27, 2008, 09:09:56 AM
Checkan went thru pregame.  He has a shoulder issue and sat as a precaution. Webster has a foot injury. Seems like Nicely is where Cowdrick was.  Lets hope its only pulled and not torn and he's not out as long.

Imagine the problems for a D when Nicely, Cowdrick, Homyk and Kolesar are on the field together.  Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2008, 10:29:52 AM
Hopefully game 9.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 29, 2008, 11:08:34 PM
Weathr's getting colder, can we heat things up here a little?

Finally conference play is upon us.  Will it be a two team race?  Statistics say it might be.  Either CWRU or CMU is atop 16 of 17 conference stat categories.  WUStL has given up the fewest rushing yards, the only stat category not headed by the Spartans or Tartans.  The Bears get the chance to prove otherwise as CMU visits.

Chicago's loss to Denison would seem to stop any talk that they had found a winning combination.  I expect score early, score often to continue for the Spartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 30, 2008, 07:56:26 AM
cwru70,

I think we'll get a one-sided victory this Saturday.

It'll be tougher against Wash-U and CMU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2008, 01:21:37 PM
Agreed.

Predictions:

CWRU 28 Chicago 6, if only for the reason that conference games have been relatively low-scoring over the past several years.  CWRU will never be in real danger in this one.

WashU vs. CMU should be a hard-fought battle until the end.  Gotta go with my heart here.  CMU 14-10.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2008, 09:30:28 PM
Congratulations to Tartan Brian Freeman on his Draddy finalist selection.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 31, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
The weather looks nice for Saturday, I expect Whalen and Co. to put up more than 28.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2008, 08:14:16 PM
At least the 35 they did last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
For the seventh straight game Spartans score on their first possesion (6 TDs).  Pass from Whalen to Nicely.  Checkan is playing, but Calderone is not.

14-10 now.  Chicago's most effective offensive play is the punt.  They've gained about 70 yards as the result of recovering a muffed punt and fumbled return.  But their other punt was blocked.

Maroons are employing the wildcat formation, as a response to QB problems.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2008, 01:22:34 PM
21-10 half.  I had forgotten former CWRU assistant Tom Kaufman is Chicago's DC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2008, 02:53:39 PM
Uncharacteristically sloppy game for the Spartans, as three turnovers on punts lead to Chicago scores and two turnovers in ther red zone prevent CWRU scores.

Final 38-24
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 01, 2008, 05:30:18 PM
I guess a win is a win!

Let's hope we have it all together for our last two conference games!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2008, 06:45:39 PM
Bears get the edge over the Tartans.  CMU fumbles opening KO and Bears go up 7-0.  CMU doesn't score until 4:05 left and WUStL runs out the clock from there (completing two thrd down passes).

Chicago tried new tactics both on D and O to try to win, but it was largely unforced errors by CWRU that kept them in the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AF4 on November 01, 2008, 11:58:23 PM
if anyone from Carnegie Mellon  is out there... i ran into several coaches and players in the pittsbugh airport on friday (as i was trying to get to the ATL then on to bama).... very nice folks, a credit to the ideal of scholar athletes

sorry to have read yall lost to Washinton today

good luck the rest of the season



keep the faith
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 03, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
Congrats to Sam Coffey for breaking the career extra point record.  He now has 93, the old record was 92 (Mike Weber 1983-85).  One of the older records left in the books for CWRU.  The field goal record will be his shortly as well.

Academic Bowl this week!  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2008, 09:38:20 PM
Not to dimish Coffey's accompishment, but it helps to have a team averaging 4 TD's per game.  His PAT % is pretty phenominal though.  I'll have to look up if there's an archive of that stat.  Too bad he seems to have gotten [dis]credit for the last PAT miss at Hiram.  The broadcast said that it was Vasil.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 04, 2008, 06:23:34 AM
too bad they take most  players out when they have a lead or a few more players would be breaking records ...
  ;)
make a new stat for time played while amassing individual stats....
::)
hard to break stats when you play only 2 quarters a game ...
:P

They must have scored quite a bit back in '83-'85 or Mike Weber would not have had many attempts
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2008, 08:55:12 PM
Poppa   We are reaping rewards this season from the second teamers who played last year; the same should be true next year.

It's also hard to build per game stats when you get charged with a game played when you didn't (Nicely and Checkan at Hiram although Shaun benfited from not being charged with playing v Rochester.  Last year Bush was listed as playing 6 games when he only played 4)

28 ppg ave 1983-85.  Nine game seasons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 05, 2008, 06:25:37 AM
Thx 70 ... that is the year I graduated from High School ....  :o

Good thing we are deep at so many key positions .. it will also help if we make the playoffs. Like you said it will help also for next season. Nothing helps a player get better than actual game conditions.

Sure would be nice to see just how many stats would be broken if all the first team played at least 3 full quarters.

I know Shaun played in Rochester game ... so why would they list him as not playing? He only missed the Hiram game.

so did Weber kick a lot of field goals that season ?  How many of his points were FGs and XPs ?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 05, 2008, 08:56:20 AM
Webber had 22 FGs, another record that will fall soon.

Seven or eight freshmen have contributed with the first teamers this year as well.  When can we start to talk about reloading?  Nine or ten starters and a handfull of other contributors missed at least one game this year (dare I say "so far?").

BTW, I later realized it was you that I asked to show me Jake Cowdrick before the Wooster game.

CWRU now has four fall teams in national rankings.  M&W XC and MSoccer are also ranked.

It's Academic Bowl week, so let's remember as the Buzzard WMMS used to say: "Cleveland Rocks, Pittsburgh Sucks!" (I'm now an old buzzard myself and was born on Buzzard Day!)

BDTartan, you've been silent of late.  Hope all is well with you.  Seems your brother is having another fine season for his finale'.  Will you be at the game Saturday?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 05, 2008, 09:13:54 AM
Will anybody else be at the alumni tailgate Saturday?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 05, 2008, 10:14:20 AM
I wan't aware there was one other than at homecoming.  I watch from the garage roof. I have a gold PT Cruiser.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 05, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
Nice.

Yeah, there has been an alumni tailgate for every home game.  It's a great deal.  $10 for lunch, all-you-can drink Great Lakes Beer, and a ticket to the game (which of course doesn't do you much good I guess if you're on the roof).

I've never tried watching from up there.  Maybe I'll have to come up and check it out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 05, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: PoppaN on November 05, 2008, 06:25:37 AM

so did Weber kick a lot of field goals that season ?  How many of his points were FGs and XPs ?

Weber's Career: 92 PAT, 22 FG for 158 points, his best season was 1984 with 36/38 PAT and 9/14 FG for 63 points.

The 158 points is a record for kicking points for CWRU (Coffey is at 147), as are the 22 FG (Coffey is at 18).

If the offense stays as powerful, Coffey would have an outside chance of passing Brandon McDowell for most career points (308: 51 TDs, 1 2 PT)


Also, Whalen is now only 23 yards from passing Leskiewicz for 2nd place in Career Passing Yards.

Hopefully the rain holds off on Saturday as that would have to be considered an advantage for CMU, as they hardly pass anyways.

Go Spartans
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 06, 2008, 06:25:45 AM
70 ... if you get a chance come visit us again at the Parents tailgate ... would love to meet you ... I do remember someone asking about Jake .. but I have a lot on my plate during home games ...
I used to be able to watch the whole game on CaseTV but they stopped putting the games up .... all they have is Rochester game .. also I have upgraded to Flash Player 10 and the site only allows FP 9 .... I did send them a message about the error, but have not heard back from them ...

Thanks for those stats on Weber , Spartan81 ...

Here is a side note for you ... Chapman coached at Case ... he was my High School coach before that ... as a matter of fact if he did not come to Willoughby South I may have never played football ... I was a real "Rebel" in those days but he convinced me to play football instead of hanging out  with the "Wild Boys" ... heehee ... changed my life ... and everytime he is in town I can see him at a South football game ... seems like he never ages like Dick Clark .. he had a 9-0 season at Case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 06, 2008, 07:32:08 AM
Someday, I'm going to need to take leave and plan a trip up to Case for homecoming weekend.

Ironically, I never attended a homecoming event when I attended school.  I did go to a handful of football games, but I cannot recall ever attending the parade, dance, or the homecoming game itself.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 06, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
Sounds like we need a d3boards tailgate. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 06, 2008, 09:33:47 AM
The Alumni House tailgate is a pretty good deal like you said, I have been there before and they do have it for all home games.

Also, they 3 headed monster at tailback (Meyer, Deitmen, Bush) for CWRU is putting up pretty stout numbers:  154 carries for 804 yards and 9 TDs.

Additional records to keep an eye on over the next few weeks:
Rec TD's: Nicely 8 (Record: 12 by David Kallevig and Mike Imburgia)
QB Rating: Whalen 162.2 (Record: 170.8 by Eli Grant)
Interceptions: Bott 6 (Record: 8 by John Polivka and Tom Olsavsky)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2008, 10:07:06 AM
Poppa-they now have Wooster on you tube and Denison second half on Case TV.  I'll stop by to say hi, if I get in gear early enough on Saturday.

Chapman was the fist CWRU coach with a winning record.  Now joined by Perella and Debeljak.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 06, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
i bet all the boys would say to hell with stats as long as they win ... we have a great bunch of men here ... and records are for retired players to read anyways . .   ;D

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 06, 2008, 05:35:57 PM
I agree, the record that says the most is 19-1 over the last two seasons!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
And the longer view, only one losing season in the last eight.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 07, 2008, 06:02:41 AM
Those are traditions I can live with .....

GO Case !!!!    GO SPARTANS !!!!     GO BLUE!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 07, 2008, 08:35:47 AM
So, looking to the future, does anybody have any inside scoops on players looking at Case?

PoppaN, we'd always love to have Patrick if he misses the city life next year! :)

Seriously, though, what area players look like good D3 prospects?  Anyone from always-reliable Mentor or Willoughby South?  Is Dominique Darling a senior?

I would personally like to see Vinny Hokavar from Perry take a look at Case if he doesn't get any D1 offers.  I know he has the academics for Case, I just don't know if it's a consideration for him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 07, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Jeff, DIII's are usually the last to fall in line after the other D schools make their offers.  Im not sure about any Mentor kids at this point.  Tim's brother hasnt mentioned anyone and no one has approached me with any questions for the coaches.

What we need is for Tanski to transfer.  Hes stuck between the scholarship kid from Nordonia, Nicely and a kid from Michigan so hes destined to be the scout QB.  Too bad...

Moving forward, we are as healthy as we have been offensively since week 1.  Nicely looks completely healed from his hamstring and Cowdrick had his first complete week of full practice since camp.  I still dare anyone to stop those 2, Homyk and Kolesar, the 3-headed running back and Whalen.  And lets not forget Metsletiz, Webster, Suitca and Coffey.

CWRU 35-10

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 07, 2008, 09:44:23 AM
Yeah, I guess I am really jumping the gun.  Just got anxious/excited about the future when thinking about the direction CWRU football has taken in the last decade.

And that's a great call.  Tanski would be a perfect CWRU QB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 07, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
I've seen  groups of recruits at each game this year.

Not sure Tanski is really needed.  There's Whalen for another year and Baum seems to have proved worthy for his senior year.  It's the next freshman class that a QB needs to be brought in.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 07, 2008, 11:36:52 PM
Yes, that's why I was advocating for Hokavar.  He is a D1 talent that may be passed over due to shoulder problems at the start of this season keeping his numbers down, along with Perry having a great running back this year (40 TDs and counting).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 08, 2008, 05:09:17 PM
A dominating win.

38-13.

On to Wash-U!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2008, 06:32:18 PM
Chicago converted WUStL turnovers into a 17-14 win.

CWRU held CMU to 100 yds rushing (122 if you add back in the 22 yds lost in 3 sacks).  CWRU averaged over 5 yds per rush!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 09, 2008, 08:15:10 AM
Case gets usual one liner but this time it is on main page. WOW ...  they needed a way to fill that article out. Would have been better if they just deleted that one line.

I guess you can say out of sight out of mind ...  ::)

It was nice meeting you 70 ... if CWRU makes the playoffs and we get home field .. I am sure NCAA will make us tailgate on the top of the garage again(which is BS) ... come over and visit us for some food and conversation.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2008, 09:39:07 AM
Good to meet you too.  There has been speculation on the post season selection board that CWRU might be moved to the "East" where they would be seeded higher (read "host")  Gotta figure Otterbein would drop to #6 in RR and CWRU up to at least 5.  But any ranking that has Trine ahead of CWRU has to be flawed, more so now that Wooster is ranked, giving us a win over a ranked opponent.

Gotta figure that the NCAA is lookiing out for its revenue$.  They subsidize (lose money) on DIII playoffs as it is.  Perhaps a way could be found to enclose the parents' area with someone posted to ensure no one is getting in "free."  Or a tent like we saw this week in the field where the fieldhouse will be built.

Unfortunately CWRU seems to be having web issues.  All that was sent out to media earlier was the score, no story or stats.  Thus only the score is posted.  I'll email you more on this issue.

jam40-I checked out Hokavar on some recruiting sites.  It's reported he's interested in engineering!  He might eschew DI if they see him as a WR or DB not a QB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 09, 2008, 03:18:58 PM
I hadn't heard about the new fieldhouse, thanks for the mention.  I thought I was good at keeping up with new construction in Cleveland (and especially University Circle), don't know how I let this slip by...

Vinny is a very good student.  He would be a great fit for Case if no D1 school gives him an offer he likes.  I guess we'll just have to see what happens.  The reason I mention him as a good possiblity is that he is someone that has shown great potential (had a superb junior year) but his stats aren't as hot this year for a variety of reasons.  I believe the scouts may undervalue him and he could slip through the D1 cracks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2008, 07:10:19 PM
The fieldhouse was part of the original plan, but I guess the funds weren't there.  They got a big contribution toward it this summer. 

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/fieldhouse/index.htm

The campaign to get it built was featured in the first quarter break on the Denison broadcast.  It's now on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8rdboxe5ug


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2008, 09:43:52 AM
Video news:

STO has CWRU-CMU tomorrow 6am-TIVO/DVR time!

WUStL seems to be inaugurating streaming video of sports with Saturday's CWRU game.  Great timing!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 12, 2008, 09:55:22 AM
cwru70 thanks for the update...

These ramking make no sense
Great Lakes teams in the North Region rankings

1. Mount Union
3. Otterbein
4. Wabash
5. Trine
6. Case Western Reserve
8. Adrian
10. Wooster

D3football.com's Top 25

No. 1 Mount Union
No. 3 Wabash
No. 12 Case Western Reserve
No. 14 Otterbein
No. 19 Washington and Jefferson
No. 21 Trine

How can Otterbien be ahead of Wabash in the region?  How can Wabash be 3rd nationally yet 4th in the region? How can Otterbein and Trine be ahead of Case?  Seems like two different groups of voters are involved.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2008, 10:07:09 AM
Absolutely the rankings come from different sources.  The regional rankings are from the NCAA regional committee and the d3.com from the 25 voters.  The committee's rankings are the only ones that matter, but the final rankings are kept secret.  Also remeber that as far as pairings go the mantra "geography trumps seeding."  1-8, 2-7, etc doesn't necessarily apply.

The final public regional rankings will be released this afternoon.

Why does the CWRU site bury the news of the STO broadcast?  It should be a headline.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 12, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
Last year Case seem under ranked in the Regional Polls and received a #2 seed (thanks to a week 10 Wabash loss).  Otterbein will drop, and at least one team from the North should get moved to a different region.   We will see, we need to take care of WashU first.

Also: Case needs 28 points to break last years record for points in a season (409 in 12 games).  The per game record is 37.1 from 2002 (currently they are at 42.4).  Additionally, Dan Whalen should break Eli Grant's total offense in a career record.  Grant had 6,792 passing and -134 rushing for 6,658.  Whalen has 6,045 passing and 536 rushing for 6,581 (77 yards behind).

Chicago has a chance to deliver CMU its first losing record in Lackner's tenure!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2008, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: blue4now on November 12, 2008, 09:55:22 AM
cwru70 thanks for the update...

These ramking make no sense
Great Lakes teams in the North Region rankings

1. Mount Union
3. Otterbein
4. Wabash
5. Trine
6. Case Western Reserve
8. Adrian
10. Wooster

D3football.com's Top 25

No. 1 Mount Union
No. 3 Wabash
No. 12 Case Western Reserve
No. 14 Otterbein
No. 19 Washington and Jefferson
No. 21 Trine

How can Otterbien be ahead of Wabash in the region?  How can Wabash be 3rd nationally yet 4th in the region? How can Otterbein and Trine be ahead of Case?  Seems like two different groups of voters are involved.

Not only are they from different sources, they are from different weeks!  The regional rankings were from BEFORE Ott lost to MUC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 12, 2008, 04:48:01 PM
Trine is now the 4th seed in the region and CWRU is 5th yet Nationally CWRU is 12th and Trine 21st.  Sets up an interesting possibility if the NCAA holds to typical playoff structuring and no one is moved from the region.  CWRU may not host and have to travel to upstart Trine instead....

I gonna need a map
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2008, 11:04:01 PM
Just head west on 90/80 about 3 hrs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2008, 09:26:50 PM
If the gurus' hoodoo is right, CWRU's reward for a second undefeated season and domination of every opponent is a seeding which gives them two OAC teams.  Some reward!?

Come on committee, everyone else sees those three weak wins, only one against a quality opponent.

Given Chicago's recent relunctance to pass and CMU's historic reluctance, will the game break the 2 hour mark?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 13, 2008, 10:02:08 PM
Two one-point wins over two 2-7 teams.  It would be an absolute joke if they seeded Trine ahead of Case.  Especially now that Case's win over Wooster is a win over a regionally-ranked opponent.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 14, 2008, 07:31:09 AM
CWRU can only take care of things they have control over ... win this weekend and then prepare for playoffs ... let the experts take care of who and where....

but it is obvious to most that CWRU should be ranked above Trine in North Region ....

take care of business Spartans ..



Go Case!   Go Spartans!!   GO BLUE!!!!




Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2008, 09:04:19 AM
This team has proved it can TCB in thirty minutes or less!

Still, say Franklin, then another shot at Wabash seems more appropriate.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 14, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
TCB?

Sorry, I'm not an acronym guy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
70s thing   Taking Care of Business
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 14, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
Thanks.  That would explain why I never have heard it before. :)

Here's a link to the video for Saturday's game (for all 4 people that seem to read this thread):

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/washington-university
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
Chicago is trying to cross up CMU they've come out throwing the ball, including a successful fake punt!

Will be cold and blustery in St Looie
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 15, 2008, 03:40:19 PM
Outstanding DEFENSE gives Case a big win  ... 17-0 .... and an awesome stand on 3 yd line to preserve the shutout.... WTG Spartans ...

GO BLUE!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2008, 04:07:45 PM
And it's chaos in week 11.  CWRU may be a #2 seed again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 15, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
ALL THE WAY TO HEAVEN!!!!

;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 16, 2008, 09:41:04 AM
Congrats to CWRU.  Good luck in the playoffs, gents!  Keep the UAA playoff momentum rolling.

CMU's streak of non-losing seasons stays alive with a somewhat-ugly win over Chicago, but 2008 was a disappointing season.  Lots of question marks for the Tartans going into the offseason.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2008, 12:44:18 PM
Awesome game by the D!!!

Give WUStL credit for containing the passing game, but like with Rochester, CWRU proved able to win on the ground as well!!

If the gurus are right, Spartans will host Franklin (would be a common opponent with Trine), then Trine/Aurora winner (home with Aurora or at Trine).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
What an ironic finish to the NCAC-UAA schedule!

This year's team is more versitile than last year's.  Looking at the common opponents I don't see a lot of difference.  Last year they jump ahead.  I don't see that happening this year.

At least the weather forecast has Saturday the best day of the week.

Hope someone with the university recorded the Wabash Depauw game to see how DePauw got the win.  Just in case that film isn't exchanged.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 17, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
As much as the Spartans want revenge against Wabash I'm surprised the NCAA dropped them as far as they did.  Yes, they went to a #6 region seed but they were #2 in the Nation.  Go figure.

Forecast looks like cloudy, chance of snow and 41 which in Cleveland translates to wind, rain, hail, frezzing rain, snowand clouds with the sun peaking thru at 4:30...  We're used to it down in the Circle.

I actually thought we'd be up against Trine or Otterbein but you have to play them all so lets get going!



Title: Wabash
Post by: blue4now on November 17, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
Wabash has as devoted and loyal following as anyone.  Last year several 'enthusiastic' younger supporters gave some Spartan parents more than they were expecting to experience at a DIII playoff game.

Those events took away from a very exciting game on the field.

Let's hope those idiots stay home and true, passionate football fans make the trip this time.

Go Case !!   Go Spartans!!!   Go Blue!!!!   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 19, 2008, 12:20:23 PM
Just wanted to wish our neighbors good luck from a guy who "grew up" on Adelbert as my father was an administrator at University Hospitals. The more I look at the Mount Union matchup, the better your game looks as at least an even matchup. I'm trapped at home post-surgery and so I ran a "Tale of the Tape" comparing this years statistics for both schools and you come out quite close. CRWU's weak point would appear to be rush defense against a fairly strong Wabash rushing game. Wabash's weak link looks to be pass defense vs a very effiecent Case Western passing game.

Here's hoping that last year's experience helps even the playing field this year. And who knows, I may the be the only guy there in a purple Mount Union jacket. After all,  the only question in my mind about the Mount game is how many yards does Nate Kmic run for and how many places up the All-time All-Division rushing list can he move.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 19, 2008, 09:29:43 PM
STO will play the game Sat 4pm Mon 9 pm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 21, 2008, 01:56:40 PM
Just remember that Wabash is the underdog this year. While Massey Strength ratings ranks Case 53rd, he has Wabash at 68th. Both schools have played a pretty equal schedule with Bash dropping their only game against a tougher school (ranked 38th), which should give Spartan fans reason to smile.

While statistical ranks have a lot of flaws, Massey bascially applies the BCS formula to DIII and while it does mean much during the season, it's pretty good at the end of the year.

I S/B there tomorrow if I go anywhere. Not good weather for a guy with a fractured hip. I'll be the guy in the black two piece Mount Union sweatsuit over thirty layers of clothes. If it's really cold I'll have my #99 black Mount Union playoff jersey on. Oh yeah I'll have a metal cane. (The coach in me really hates that cane and it's part of the reason I don't want to good to Alliance) I don't mind being 60, I just don't like being old.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 21, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
seventies  the good news if you come is the bleachers are connected to the parking garage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 21, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
seventies  the good news if you come is the bleachers are connected to the parking garage.
I know the garage from bringing indoor track teams up for meets

I'll thr sixty ish guy in Mount stuff, came and whie gotee with his 11 year old son
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: runyr on November 22, 2008, 12:22:26 AM
seventies,
My father graduated from (Case) Western Reserve.  Small world.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: runyr on November 22, 2008, 12:22:26 AM
seventies,
My father graduated from (Case) Western Reserve.  Small world.

My Dad ran parts of Unversity Hospital. My first job was on Adelbert
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 09:53:34 AM
At 22 degrees and not being on my feet much the last six weeks I may have to settle for the replay
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 22, 2008, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 21, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
seventies  the good news if you come is the bleachers are connected to the parking garage.
I know the garage from bringing indoor track teams up for meets

I'll thr sixty ish guy in Mount stuff, came and whie gotee with his 11 year old son


Are you thinking of the Veale Center which is connected to a parking garage?  Indoor track meets are held there (on the south side of campus).  The football field (on north side) also has a garage connected.

Don't worry about the cold!  At least it's not snowing! :)  Seriously though, sorry you can't make it.

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 12:33:42 PM
Got a great video feed. Great first drive. Go get 'em Spartans

If I didn't have a cracked hip, I'd be kicking myself in the butt for staying home

BTW thanks for the directions. I was thinking of the old stadium which was where the Veale Center is along the railroad tracks. Loving football and trains as a kid I loved that place along with going to Little Italy after the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 01:50:39 PM
Procedure penalties are allowing Wabash to stay in the game
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 22, 2008, 03:02:57 PM
Congrats to CWRU on a great season. You guys played a great game today. What a great job to take the lead there at the end. Wow. I missed most of the action but got home just in time for Whalen's last TD.

Whalen is a stud, y'all have a great team, a great coach and after two years of disappointment, I hate to imagine what y'all will do next year if we meet up again in the playoffs.

Great game, great season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: fijidoc on November 22, 2008, 03:31:44 PM

Great game by CWRU.  You had a heck of a season.  A lot to look forward to and be proud of.

But if you didn't know what it means when we yell WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS you do now after the game today.

After last weeks showing in the Bell game, I wasn't sure this team knew what that meant but after today's performance they proved to be true Little Giants.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on November 22, 2008, 06:51:22 PM
Congrats to Case on a great game.

Calderone was a beast on one leg.  I think he would have been the difference if healthy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 22, 2008, 10:55:11 PM
Beautiful stadium and campus and a great team effort.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on November 23, 2008, 01:28:05 AM
Congrats to Case Western for the great game today.

Your football program has taken another step forward this year.   Your defense was outstanding today and Whalen is a tremendous athlete.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on November 23, 2008, 07:11:48 AM
I am hard pressed to believe that 115th Street and Bellflower Road (the approximate site of the CWRU stadium) could ever become beautiful, irrespective of renovation, restoration or renewal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 23, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
The new construction is impressive, not that there aren't a few things I would have done differently.  Next step is to remove the cold war bunker dorms.  The only thing out of place is the lump of metal that is the Peter Lewis Bulding.

Heartbreaker is all I can say.  It's a shame that the D will likely most remember the last two plays, but not the great game that they played.  Ironic the last play was very similar to the knife-in-the-heart TD in last year's game just as the Spartans had pulled to within eight.  Penalties really hurt and Whalen's fumble seemed to be that he wasn't expecting the snap.  What else can you say about Whalen, but that he refuses to lose.  I saw an interesting quote from Whalen, who said when he came to CWRU he wasn't sure they would win ten games in four years.

While I think going for the TD was the right call, if the Spartans kick the FG to tie would Wabash have gone for it on fourth down or would they have let the game go to OT?

I doubt any undefeated team had to survive anywhere near the number of injuries to starters and key backups as the Spartans did.  Despite the seniors who will be leaving, things look promising for another 10-0 season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 23, 2008, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 23, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
While I think going for the TD was the right call, if the Spartans kick the FG to tie would Wabash have gone for it on fourth down or would they have let the game go to OT?

I've been thinking about this very thing since the end of the game yesterday.  At 4th and 1 from the 1, Debeljak sent the FG unit out.  I was relieved...they're playing for OT which would have been fine by me given how the last 5-6 minutes of the game had gone.  Then Wabash took a timeout and I was just hoping that Debeljak wouldn't change his mind...he did, Whalen converted, and Wabash found themselves behind and in a very tough situation.  I didn't agree with Wabash's use of the timeout there (unless they had too many guys on the field or something like that....CWRU wasn't going to fake from the 1-yard line...there are 125 better plays to run to get one yard than a fake field goal). 

Had CWRU kicked and tied the game, I absolutely think that, barring a great kickoff return, Wabash would have run the clock out and been happy to play OT.  Sometimes it's funny how things work out. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2008, 12:11:58 PM
There are 8 million what-ifs that you can think of for every game.  I think I've run through about 7 and a half million of them in the last 21 hours.

Like what if we put pressure on Hudson on 4th and 15, what if Hommyk caught that first deep ball, what if Whalen throws it out of bounds or tucks and runs on that INT, what if we don't have about 57 penalties, etc, etc, etc.  But all it does is give you a headache.  It doesn't change the fact that I watched one of the most exciting football games I have ever seen (at least top 5) yesterday and am immensely proud of CWRU football and to be a CWRU alumnus.  Do I wish the outcome was different?  Of course.  But we played a great game and just came up a little short.  Wonderful effort this season by everybody, and best of luck to the seniors for their futures.  And to the rest of the team, next year looks to be another great year for the Spartans, keep up the good work!  It's not even a full day since the season ended, and I'm already excited for the next one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 23, 2008, 04:19:55 PM
Bottom line.

They were just ever so slightly better, and pulled it off at the end.

Congrats to Wabash!

Now, let's hope that they win the NCAA title, that way we can at least claim that we barely lost to the best team!

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 23, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 23, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
  The only thing out of place is the lump of metal that is the Peter Lewis Bulding.

I forgot about that monstrosity
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2008, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: frank uible on November 23, 2008, 07:11:48 AM
I am hard pressed to believe that 115th Street and Bellflower Road (the approximate site of the CWRU stadium) could ever become beautiful, irrespective of renovation, restoration or renewal.

Why's that?  Other than the piles of crap on the northwest corner of the intersection (which are slated for replacement), I think it is a very nice area.  You have beautiful century homes on Bellflower meeting nice new Collegiate Gothic dorms integrated with a very nice football stadium.  Also, just south of the new dorms on E. 117th St., you have some very nice old apartment buildings.  I think that after the replacement of the (pardon the French) a$$-nasty 60s dorms you will have a beautiful intersection if you don't already think it is.

And yes, Case's campus is beautiful.  To me, it is the perfect mix of an urban environment and a bucolic college campus.  For the problems Cleveland may have, the whole University Circle/Little Italy/Heights (CH, SH, and UH) areas are combined one of the nicest most livable contiguous neighborhood-type areas in the country.

And let me reiterate...thanks for a GREAT season Spartans!  And good luck to Wabash.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on November 23, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
Most of those so-called century homes on Bellflower were well past their primes and ugly in the 30s, 40s and 50s and, to the extent still standing, are not any better today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2008, 05:31:40 PM
Based on the architecture, some of those look to be around 90 years old, so they wouldn't be century homes yet.  So I guess some of them are not technically century homes yet.  Maybe I should have just said Pre-WWII, you know, that time when we still valued architecture and aesthetic beauty in a neighborhood instead of mass production, cost-cutting, and overemphasis on the automobile.

Beautiful is in the eye of the beholder.  What do you consider beautiful?  Those bland off-white cardboard $hitboxes they put up in the suburbs these days on windy dead end streets funneling into 6- or 8-lane high speed highways?  Most of the houses on Bellflower are surely not ugly by my standards.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on November 23, 2008, 05:35:16 PM
To use a currently popular phrase, to call most of them "century homes" is putting lipstick on a pig.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2008, 05:54:39 PM
I still have no idea where you're coming from in this.  Yes, some of the homes need some rehab (especially the ones being used as frat houses) but they are structurally interesting (far more so than most buildings of the last 60 years).  You can speak in generalities, but I don't think you have much of a point here.  Exactly which houses do you think are ugly?  I can tell you that I think specifically the Alumni House as well as the one directly east of it (which is unfortunately slated for demolition) are very nice buildings.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 23, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
Frank is, I believe, coming from about 50 years ago.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 24, 2008, 03:24:04 PM
All UAA team.

Whalen and Bott are POYs

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/08_All_UAA_Football.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: raider-in-law on November 24, 2008, 07:28:31 PM
Frank your right, University Circle area is hideous. Case would be better served if they moved down to  east 40th and Central. It is so much more cultural and historic then where Case is now .
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 25, 2008, 01:24:40 AM
QuoteTo use a currently popular phrase, to call most of them "century homes" is putting lipstick on a pig


We talk football here and if you want to talk sh+t about Cleveland save it for other forums. >:(

Congratulations to all the Spartans selected to All UAA Team and Thanks for another outstanding season.

Go Case!!!!  Go Spartans!!!!  GO BLUE!!!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 26, 2008, 12:27:47 AM
Here's something about Dan Whalen from the Wabash site that you CWRU guys might enjoy. Great story and obviously a great kid.

Why We Play The Game (http://www2.wabash.edu/blog/sidnotes/2008/11/why_we_play_the_game.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 26, 2008, 07:27:29 AM
Dan Whalen has been nominated for the Gagliardi.  He's the third Spatan in four years (maybe five) to be nominated.  There's  link on the front page to vote in the fan vote.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 26, 2008, 11:11:46 AM
In a perfect ( and fair) world I'd vote for Whalen, but I can't ignore Micheli's passing efficency of 217.7, dual majors and GPA


Hey, I went to the Cleveland Music Settlement in one of those montrous old mansions. I know from experience the only way you get a new frat house is get the school to build it and lease it to you. Not a lot of money in running frat houses.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 26, 2008, 08:48:27 PM
seventies   I have no quarrel with anyone who votes for Micheli.  He is certainly worthy.  In a perfect world (or if you had two or more computers) you could vote for both.

And thanks Li'l Giant for the post!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 02, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
BTW, you can vote daily for the Gagliardi.  So spread the love.

Congrats to Academic All-American Lee Sasala, as well as CMU's Brian Freeman and Clay Crites (1st team) plus John Scholl (2nd team).

And let me point out an underrecognized special teams role, the holder.  CWRU has a great one in Ryan Kolesar.  69 placement kicks with nary a bobble that I recall.  And a couple of times he did a great job in getting down errant snaps.
Title: CWRU 09
Post by: blue4now on December 09, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
Never too early to think about next year...   While the Spartans lose 9 quality seniors they return 9 offensive starters including the top 8 WR/TE's, 4 RB's and both QB's.  On D 3 of 6 return on the line, 3 of 4 LB's and 3 of 4 DB's.  Special teams have both back.  Another run is in the works.....

Go Case!   Go Spartans!!   Go Blue!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 09, 2008, 09:55:54 PM
Still basking in this years glory...Congrats to D3.com all-regin first teamer Ryan Breon and second team Bobby Bott.

And to Coach Debeljak region 2 AFCA coach of year.  AFCA has five regions and neither Mount Union nor Trine are in the same region as CWRU.

Another way to look at next season, all of the so-called skill position players should return on O along with the top seven tacklers on D.

Nine first team UAA and five second team players (including O and D POYs) should return.

A number of freshmen made big contributions:  Opperman was a full time starter at LG, Doolin (DE), Sharp (CB), and Allen (C) started a few games due to injury, English ranked seventh in tackles and first in sacks, Coleman played in two tight end formations, and Metlesitz (WR-KR) was fourth in all purpose yards.  If they stay around and healthy for three more years success should continue for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 15, 2008, 10:43:19 AM
Don't forget to vote for Coach Debeljak.  You can vote once a day till 12/22 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Finalists2008CoachBio.aspx?coach_id=428
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 17, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Case's athletic website is reporting that Case DB Bobby Bott was selected a first team Division III All-American by AFCA.

He'll be back next season, together with Dan Whalen at QB.

Next year could be our year!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 20, 2008, 08:55:40 AM
Bott also selected to AP Little All-American Third Team (includes DII and NAIA)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 21, 2008, 10:03:10 AM
Was scanning the D3.com AA team looking for Ryan Breon who as picked first team North All-Region , instead I found a guard from MIT, James Olenik (whose last name I believe should be Oleinik) who wasn't on the East All- Region team.  He was conference lineman of the year two straight years and made the first cut for the Draddy, so he seems worthy, but how was he left of the All-Region team?

MIT had an All-Region RB, so the SID didn't forget to send in nominations.  Maybe the misspelling confused the East voters?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2008, 07:57:14 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on December 21, 2008, 10:03:10 AM
MIT had an All-Region RB, so the SID didn't forget to send in nominations. 

Not necessarily true.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 22, 2008, 10:46:28 PM
Spartans finish ranked #21.  I think that's fair.  Props to Trine for their game against Wheaton that earned them a higher ranking.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 07, 2009, 08:51:50 PM
For 2009 I hope the Spartan training staff has a resolution to find a way to prevent hamstring injuries.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 02:39:35 PM
Looks like Josh McDaniels has made the next step with the announcement that the Denver Broncos have selected him as their next HC.  Congrats to him.  As I posted on one of the other boards, I think that Detroit, Cleveland, NY Jets, and now even possibly the Indy Colts (as it appears Dungy is stepping down later this afternoon) may have "missed the boat" in not selecting McDaniels.  While they will have capable coaches, still there is always the possibility that they will regret not selecting him, if McDaniels has the success he's had with NE.

Although I like the college game 100 x more than the NFL, still it is great to see another DIII product get to such a high position.  Congrats and best wishes to McDaniels for a successful time.

 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 16, 2009, 08:33:20 PM
Looks like I'll miss next football season.

In July, I'll be headed to Korea to be the Division Transportation Officer for the 2nd Infantry Division.  It should be a one year assignment.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2009, 10:17:10 PM
Stay safe over there. I know it's not at the top of the world's trouble spots but it could always get that way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 17, 2009, 07:53:32 AM
Pat,

Thanks for your support.  I've been in Korea for exercises before (9 years ago), but I've never been stationed there.  This should be good experience.  I'm told that this job is a tough one, but that you feel a huge sense of accomplishment if you pull it off well.

I'll still try to follow this board while I'm over there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 17, 2009, 11:58:41 AM
Stay safe, Maj.  We'll do our best to keep you informed.

My brother-in-law served a tour there as a helicopter pilot, but that was before things got "nuclear' over there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on January 25, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
major, good luck to you.  let me know if you need any spartan gear before you leave...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 26, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 27, 2009, 07:59:21 AM
Gang,

Here's a VERY interesting article about a guy that played basketball for both Western Reserve, and later (after they merged with Case), Case Western Reserve.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

I especially like THIS quote, which sort of explains how athletics at CWRU used to be before we began our "renaissance" about five or six years ago.

Quote: Goodfellow was an all-state player back in high school, but his only communication regarding basketball prior to arriving on campus was a letter he received that summer from Reserve Head Coach Richard Delaney stating that he heard he was interested in playing sports.  Things were different back then.

"I remember the first day of practice," Goodfellow explained.  "There were probably 40 or 45 guys and I didn't know any of them besides my roommate.  We just stood there and Delaney came out and asked how many of us had varsity experience.  I raised my hand, not really paying attention to anyone else.  He then said you guys are going to practice as the varsity and I look around and there were only about 12 hands in the air."

It was pretty much the same way when I was in college from 1990-1994.  Times sure have changed!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 09, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
According to Wooster's site the Spartans will be inaugurating the Scots' new lights at a 7pm game on Oct 10.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 10, 2009, 07:18:16 AM
Did Wooster's stadium previously have lights?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 10, 2009, 08:27:22 AM
No it did not.  I wonder if they'll march down the hill in the dark???    The buzz at the Case banquet Sunday was 5 nite games for 2009

With 9 seniors graduating there are holes to fill although most of these guys are lineman and there are pos numbers and some exp with the underclassmen.

Every skill guy on O and 6 0f 8 LB/DB's return as do the kickers.

Another run is exepcted with these guys. 

Go Spartans!
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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 11, 2009, 12:27:39 AM
No home night games last year.  Will Kenyon or Oberlin or both be under the lights?  Away night games Rochester, Wooster, and Denison?  The first five at night.

Also Wooster is putting in turf, so all games will be on turf, with only Rochester not having upgraded to the in-fill type.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 12, 2009, 07:04:25 AM
Gang,

Check out this video on Case's amazing DECATHLETE.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/obi_hq.wmv

He's reportedly 6'4", 225 lbs, with sprinter speed, high-jumper hops (6'8"), and can easily do squat reps with over 300 pounds (see the video).

If only we could get him to come out for the football team as a WR/FS.

He'd be deadly!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 12, 2009, 12:21:20 PM
If only it was that easy...   LOL   There are a lot of athletes and non-athletes walking around out there who would look great in pads but they just don't have the will or desire for a contact sport like football.

I've seen countless kids walking thru high school who you'd think should be playing but the whole package isn't there.

I'm anticipating the Spartans will have another strong recruiting class to draw from now that the program is off and running.

Next year will tougher as some of the major offensive talent graduates as well as bunch of defensive studs.  As the program has turned the major talent losses have been mostly on D with few O players outside of OL's. 

It will tough to replace the talented skill guys in Whalen, Checkan, Meyer, Cowdrick, Kolesar, and Suitca on top of graduating Bott, Sasala, Pelyak, Silvi, Shaver and Brown on D. 

2009 needs to be our year to go far deeper into the playoffs......

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 13, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: blue4now on February 12, 2009, 12:21:20 PM
If only it was that easy...   LOL   There are a lot of athletes and non-athletes walking around out there who would look great in pads but they just don't have the will or desire for a contact sport like football.

I've seen countless kids walking thru high school who you'd think should be playing but the whole package isn't there.

I'm anticipating the Spartans will have another strong recruiting class to draw from now that the program is off and running.

Next year will tougher as some of the major offensive talent graduates as well as bunch of defensive studs.  As the program has turned the major talent losses have been mostly on D with few O players outside of OL's. 

It will tough to replace the talented skill guys in Whalen, Checkan, Meyer, Cowdrick, Kolesar, and Suitca on top of graduating Bott, Sasala, Pelyak, Silvi, Shaver and Brown on D. 

2009 needs to be our year to go far deeper into the playoffs......



Indeed, that is true.  Another similar aspect is those very talented players that for one reason or another, decide to give it up.  One of Hope's players in 200y was a freshman RB who ended up starting about half the games (in part, due to an early season 3 game suspension of the senior starting running back).  The freshman RB was a great player and essentially the co-leading rusher with the senior when the latter returned after the suspension - they were a great "1-2" punch that year for Hope.  However, for whatever reason, he appartently said he just wasn't into football anymore, didn't want to put the time into it and transferred to a large state university.  He is doing very well there in school and while enjoys watching collegiate football going to games, said he doesn't miss actually playing it.  Nothing wrong with that because every student-athlete has to make their own decisions as what they want to do and if "it is worth it" to them.  At least he had one great year and thus memories that will last him a lifetime.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion/comments on this topic.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 15, 2009, 10:56:36 AM
Jake

Any award winners you can share from the banquet?  No mention on the CWRU site.

The class of 2010 may be the largest and most talented senior class ever in University Circle.  A second round win or better should be the goal.

The OSHFCA released an All-Academic team last month:

http://www.ohiocapitalconference.com/NewsInfo/OHSFCA_09AllAcademicTeamsIndividuals_011009.pdf

A veritable supermarket for the Spartan coaches.  To qualify must have a 3.7 GPA and have been all-conference.  Many are all-Ohio and all-district though.  Last season's recruiting numbers may have been hurt by the departure of Tom Kaufman.  I did read that not all schools nominated players so it's an incomplete list.  A few have committed to Ivies and one to West Point, but the vast majority haven't had commitments released.

One exception is DV state champ Urusuline O and D lineman Matt Krause, a 1st team All-Ohio selection.  He's been listed as 5'10 225 and 5'11 246.  Benches 365 and squats 550.  Wants to play DL.  Although they are a DV school their schedule was filled with larger schools.  They had wins over Mooney, Warren Harding, both Massilon Washington and Perry, and Lake Catholic for example.


Video:
http://www.markportermedia.com/Matt_Krause_Ursuline_SR.htm


A linemate Josh Berman 6'1 248 was also on the list.  He's #62 in the video.

I have not seen commitments announced for five of the six Lake County TD Club's student-athlete honorees: Adam Watson (Mentor), Mitch Krotz (Madison), Kyle Smith (Kirtland), Vinny Hokavar (Perry), or Matt Lender (Lake Catholic).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 15, 2009, 06:35:11 PM
That Krauss fellow sounds like just what we need at NT.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on February 15, 2009, 07:33:34 PM
Try him first at ILB.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 15, 2009, 11:46:06 PM
Frank

Do you say that from watching the video?  With Mey and English things are pretty well set in the middle of the line.  It's DE where help is needed.  But then two ILBs will be seniors.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on February 16, 2009, 04:11:40 AM
I'm guessing that this guy's height is actually about 5'8" and his weight is about 225. Those dimensions are more suitable for an ILB or MLB than a DT or DE, and based on the highlights he seems to have the quickness to play ILB or MLB.









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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2009, 09:46:23 AM
Thnx, I wondered if you thought he looked quick enough for LB.  For the last 3 yrs the Spartan DEs were 225/230 but 6'1/6'2.

Is there a chance Debeljak can reel in Hokavar (reportedly interested in engineering), Dover's Lisowski, or Canton South's Trissel to be Whalen's sucessor?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on February 16, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
You're welcome. My evaluation was of the most superficial kind. I'm still trying to get over Ursuline beating Massillon Washington. As one of the Duke's songs was titled, "Things Ain't What They Used To Be".
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 18, 2009, 08:53:09 AM
Whalen was O MVP and was the top pos (QB/RB/WR) guy also.  English was DL and newcomer.  Bott DB, Brown LB, Kluzcynski OL. Odd 3 D awards but all the skill guys are in for one on O.

Nothing to report on the Lake Co guys above.  Watson did visit but I havent heard anything more.  I thought the kid from Perry was going to a military school.  I'll find out a little more on this group.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2009, 12:10:36 PM
I suspect that a lot of families are waiting to see what the financial aid packages will be.  By military school do you mean West Point or Annapolis or AFA?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 18, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Either that, or he could mean a military prep school like Valley Forge that offers a post graduate year.  Some top athletic prospects go that route, and then sign with scholarship athletic programs the following year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
My understanding is that those military prep kids typically have grade issues.  That's not the case with Hokavar.  One of the recruiting sites listed him as interested in Akron, but he didn't get an offer apparently.

The service academies don't release recruit info until they show up for their summer training.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 19, 2009, 10:23:17 AM
Im hearing Hokavar is looking at Oberlin.  I'll offer more as I get it.......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 19, 2009, 07:01:52 PM
Are there any top notch recruits that we already have committed?

Also, does anyone here have any idea how many players Coach Debeljak will bring in with this class, and will he have any transfers?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 19, 2009, 11:03:45 PM
Hokavar would have a good chance at starting right away for the Yeomen, something he wouldn't have at CWRU.  Oberlin doesn't offer an engineering degree, but they do have a 3-2 program where an Oberlin degree is earned and the last two years the student can transfer to CWRU, WUStL, Cal Tech, or Columbia and get an engineering degree as well.  A similar program at B-W is how Jeff Mayer ended up at CWRU for his final year of eligibility.

As long as Baum stays on the team the next successor to Whalen can come another season away.

Krause is the only report I have seen.  I doubt we will see anymore declarations until closer to the end of the school year.

I have also heard of a 6'2 215 LB from Lakota East (Coffey and Derickson) a two-year starter considering CWRU, CMU, or Georgetown (KY or DC?)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 20, 2009, 07:02:22 AM
cwru70,

Out of curiosity, could you shoot me a PM with a link to your avatar?

I really like it!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 20, 2009, 08:35:03 AM
DIII's are always the last to fill after the I's and II's get settled.  A lot of players who thought they were DI's are finding out the offers arent coming their way so it's time to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 20, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
I haven't seen anything official from Lake Erie, Malone, or Walsh either.  Not that they are competing for the same students as CWRU.  I'm also not sure how many scholarships they offer or how the divide them up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 20, 2009, 09:34:34 AM
Lake Erie does a lot of backyard recruiting and why not?  There's loads of talent in NE Ohio.  Mentor has some good players there.  And yes, most of those kids aren't CWRU material.  Cowdrick's brother Dan has them on his list to visit.

Krotz seems to be leaning toward the Ivy league since his sister already goes to one of the schools.  Good family. I played w his Dad at Mentor back in the day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2009, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on February 20, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
I haven't seen anything official from Lake Erie, Malone, or Walsh either.  Not that they are competing for the same students as CWRU.  I'm also not sure how many scholarships they offer or how the divide them up.

I am not sure either what the NAIA scholarship limits are and/or how some of those schools you mention divide them up.  On the other hand, we know what they'll have as far as limits when Malone, Walsh and Urbana become officially entrenched in NCAA DII football.  Urbana is in its second year (having passed the first year of "Exploratory" status for that in the NCAA mandated process) and, according to their website, is on track to become full DII members in the fall of 2010.  As we all know, most of those schools split their "full rides" so that most everyone on their rosters gets "1/2 full ride".  I assume then, that any additional aid that may be granted those football student-athletes comes from financial based need and/or community, church scholarships and other allowable sources.

BTW, speaking of the OH/PA region collegiate football programs, of course, you know that both Gannon and Mercyhurst left the Great Lakes conference and joined the PA DII conference this past season.  Obviously, a much better fit for those schools in many aspects, particularly the travel costs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 02, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
The site Ohio College Football has released an All-Ohio DIII team.  Coffey, English, Brown, and Bott on first team.  Whalen and Breon on the second.  Breon is the only senior in the group.  Only Mount Union had more players on the team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 05, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
Next week is CWRU's spring break.  Anyone  know when spring practice will be?

A bit I found on Lisowski the All-Ohio Dover QB.  Brother was a QB who went to Cornell but played very little.  Saw somewhere that he might be going to a service academy; family military background.

The Major should be able to show him you can go to CWRU and still have a military career.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 14, 2009, 04:22:57 PM
Found on another board that a 5-11 215 OL/DL from Riverfalls WI, Luke Johnson, is being recruited by CWRU, WUStL, and Macalester.  Was HM all-state at OL.  Bit small for OL though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 15, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Make him a nose tackle.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 15, 2009, 10:42:47 PM
I was thinking DE.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on March 23, 2009, 12:44:31 PM
It appears that 2-way OL/DE Adam Watson from Mentor will become a Spartan this fall.  Admissions are taking a long time for some potential players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 24, 2009, 10:06:07 AM
Great news from Lake County!

Watson was All-Ohio 2nd team at OL and described by his line coach at Mentor as the hardest working lineman I've coached.  At 6'-230 maybe best at DE where he excelled as well.

Any word on spring practice?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 30, 2009, 10:32:25 PM
On the admissions front, there was an article in the NYT that the Ivies and other highly selective schools are admitting few students this year.  More should trickle down to the second tier schools like the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 31, 2009, 07:05:14 AM
cwru70,

That might be good news for CWRU, however, I'd bet that some of the UAA schools, like Wash U. and Emory may already qualify as "highly selective" schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 31, 2009, 08:14:27 AM
Schools like Williams, Amherst, Lafayette, and Lehigh were left out of the discussion.  So I susupect they and the top UAA schools are just "bubbling under" that definition.  The lower admissin rate might be a function of fewer aid dollars to go around, which is probably a nearly universal circumstance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 09, 2009, 09:19:37 AM
Despite other school's dropping sports and cutting budgets and projects, CWRU's athletics budget will remain the same for next year as last.  The campus paper had articles on athletics expenditures in its March 20 and April 3 issues.  It also reported an 18% increase in athletics spending during the previous four fiscal years.

http://www.cwruobserver.com/home/archives/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 15, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
cwru70,

By chance do you know if the "Mather Park" softball field that is being dedicated today has been completed?  If so, then is it essentially a softball equivalent of Nobby's Ballpark?

Please let me know.  Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 16, 2009, 09:40:04 PM
I couldn't find any pix on the website.

I live in Columbus not in Cleveland so I haven't seen it.

He's the Observer article from when plans were announced last fall.

http://observer.case.edu/Archives/Volume_41/Issue_3/Story_2852/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 16, 2009, 09:45:36 PM
Found this tribute to the 2008 team on you tube, a slide show in two parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yBfY2xblbI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLuxAhcVnYU&feature=related
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2009, 08:30:49 AM
Coach Perella is going to be OC at St. Eds
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 22, 2009, 08:37:13 AM
Matt Krause from Ursuline, who vindy.com earlier reported as headed to CWRU, is now reported by valleysports.com as headed to Waynesburg.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 29, 2009, 07:19:27 AM
cwru70,

Is there still not any word on CWRU football recruiting?

Isn't this about the time that the recruiting class is announced, normally?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on April 29, 2009, 08:47:51 AM
major,
rumor has it another strong class will be announced.  finals are this week and next.  they usually are one of the last ones to make announcements.  with all schools tightening their admission requirements im sure this has an effect as well.

on another front, it looks like 4 night games for the Spartans in 2009, 2 and 2.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 29, 2009, 09:13:32 AM
The earliest official announcements I can recall were about the third week of May.  Last year nothing was officially announced until July.

I believe deposits are due May 15.  I read that applications were up 8% and that 1025 was the target number for the new freshman class.

Blue 4--I thought @ Rochester might be a night game too.

You gotta think recruiting suffered some last year with Coach Kaufman's departure and Debeljak coaching tennis.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 30, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
Very cool about the night games for CWRU.

Gotta admit that I wish we had played more night games, maybe just once or twice a year.  I do love the traditional Saturday afternoon of college football, but there's just something electric about a night game.

After the four-year "everybody gets a win!" scenario

2004 Chicago
2005 WashU
2006 CMU
2007 Case

Case was finally able to break the streak of "new champions" by winning two in a row. It will be interesting to see if CWRU can win a third straight cement themselves as the perennial favorite for the next decade (much as Wash U was from about 95-04).  CWRU has been far and away the best over the last two years.  One season can be a fluke,  (2006 CMU? Looking more fluky every year after dropping from 11-1 to 7-4 and then 5-5), two seasons is a trend, three seasons starts to look like a full-blown shift in power.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 30, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Tartan,

I suspect that we'll be favored again this season.  HOWEVER, I also suspect that the following year, we'll have some pretty serious rebuilding to do.

Just losing Whalen will have a major impact in and of itself.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: fantastic50 on April 30, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: blue4now on April 29, 2009, 08:47:51 AM
major,
on another front, it looks like 4 night games for the Spartans in 2009, 2 and 2.   

CWRU's game at Wooster will be the first-ever home night game for the Scots, after artificial turf and lights are added over the summer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 01, 2009, 08:28:21 AM
Big props to the Spartan Parents Football Club for chipping in for championship rings for Ronald and Donald, the long-time Spartan ball "boys."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 05, 2009, 12:04:01 AM
Award for Coach Macalla

http://www.footballfoundation.com/news.php?id=1886
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on May 05, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
I read the paper the other day and it said Hokavar was going to Case? Is this official?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 05, 2009, 09:47:37 PM
Which paper?

I read somewhere he intended to major in engineering.

In d3 nothing is official until they show up for camp.

I found a post on a cleveland.com forum which claimed he was going to CWRU, but that's a long way from official.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on May 05, 2009, 11:15:33 PM
And even then they can change their minds at any time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on May 06, 2009, 12:12:36 AM
Well if he enrolls then its official. I thought deadlines were May 1st?

I read through some of the posts on here, I guess the kid is a stud? I don't really know much about him. Just a CWRU fan.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 06, 2009, 12:34:59 AM
If he enrolls it means he's paid money. It doesn't mean he will actually attend and it doesn't mean he'll play football if he does. That's the reality in Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on May 06, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
I've done some research on Hokavar. According google, Vinny is ranked in the ESPN 150 for athletes category. Threw for over 3500 yards and 40 total touchdowns in his two years as a starter. He was being recruited as a safety by some of the bigger schools but I guess an offer never came his way. If this video is a sign of anything, expect some points to be put up the next 4 years at CWRU.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/Hokavar-airs-it-out-38337
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 06, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
Welcome EveryOne.  What is your connection to CWRU?

Hokavar got lots of press: All-Ohio recognition 3 yrs.  Both at DB and at QB.

Recruiting services put the "athlete" tag on him.

I wouldn't be so quick to pencil him into the lineup, even if he shows up at CWRU.  Whalen obviously has a year left and Baum showed he has the potential to lead the team.

If he starts a a freshman it would likely be  at OLB replacing Chlebina.  Even there though, there are several players who would give him a battle for that position.

Still curious what your source is.

I also see that the LB from Lakota who was reported considering CWRU and WUStL is supposed to be going to Denison.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 07, 2009, 06:59:48 AM
Wow!  What a triple threat athlete!  He appears just as adept at faking, running the option, running the play action, and throwing!

Could CWRU really get a recruit like that?  I'm amazed that he hasn't gotten any Division I offers at QB.  He'd be a major recruiting coup if we could haul him in!

That said, I bet he plays Safety or WR for a year while he learns our system.  I can't imagine him beating out Whalen right away, but I could be wrong!

Pat Coleman,

Has d3football.com ever tried to do a ranking of D3 football recruiting classes, sort of like the various recruiting services do for the Division I-FBS teams?  It'd be interesting to see where Case would end up in such a ranking, if Case ever managed to get athletes like that!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on May 07, 2009, 08:22:36 AM
Yes, he dominated in hs buts lets not forget it was at Perry.  There are always places for quality athletes to contribute. 

I agree w you Major, I dont see him knocking out any of the 15 returning senior starters. Certainly not Whalen or the WR's.  DB is a possibility with our graduatiing loses.

He may be able to contribute on special teams to take some of the load off of some others.

In any case, if he does come he will help maintain the program after this sr classes moves on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 07, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Great Big News

The first home CWRU football game was a 0-0 tie with John Carroll in 1970 (I was there).

Forty years later the Blue Streaks will return to University Circle to face the Spartans on September 4, 2010.  Spartans go to John Carroll in 2011.  B-W for 2012?

The 2009 schedule posted now has WUStL a third UAA away game, but that has to be an error.

The opener with Kenyon is a day game designated "Heritage Day."  Will the team wear Case uniforms one half and Reserve the other, ala basketball's "Throwback Days?"
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 07, 2009, 09:51:45 PM
cwru70,

I like the idea of a "Heritage Day."

I once heard of an idea for a new CWRU mascot called the "Rough Cats," essentially a merger of the Rough Rider (CIT) and Red Cat (WRU) mascots.

Too bad nobody thought of that at the time of federation, not that our Spartan mascot and logo are bad by any means.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 07, 2009, 11:54:25 PM
I suspect the Case element wouldn't have gone for that since most likely the macot would still be a cat.  But since Case got first billing and Case Cats has the alliteration factor I'd have liked it.  Spartans at least is a less common name.  I don't know if it was discussed at the time, but later I thought that Blue Crew would have been unique and a word play on CWRU.  I don't know, but it might have helped CWRU catch on as the common name instead of Case that has become predominate
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on May 08, 2009, 08:14:26 AM
How about Red Riders - also alliterative?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 08, 2009, 08:36:25 AM
That would have left the Casies "seeing red."

Red Ryder is a registered trademark.  Rider was from Case Coach Ray Rider

Plumbing Poets or Poetic Plumbers?  [you had to be there]

Is no one excited about renewing the John Carroll rivalry?  Could it become an annual event?  Could the two (or three) conferences find a way for it to be a season ending game eventually
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 08, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
I'm somewhat excited about the JCU rivalry.  After all, isn't former CWRU head coach Regis Scafe still coaching there?

It could be a decent cross-town rivalry.

We could call it the "Don Shula Bowl."  After all, Shula did his undergrad at John Carroll, and his graduate work at Western Reserve.

Which of his alma maters will prevail?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on May 09, 2009, 06:55:34 AM
CWRU ought to play JCU and BW every year - one of them on Thanksgiving morning (if one or both of the participants are not then involved in the NCAAs) and the other game to open the schedule under the lights.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 09, 2009, 10:29:27 AM
Gang,

I just changed my avatar to that of the old Western Reserve University Red Cats.

See.

If we had adopted the "Rough Cats" nickname at the time of merger, we could still have a cool Cheshire Cat logo like that!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 10, 2009, 07:17:50 PM
OK, I just changed my avatar back to a Spartan logo (after all, I am "Major Spartan"), albeit a "throwback" logo from 1983.

Still, I think that a "Rough Cats" mascot with a Cheshire Cat logo would have been ideal for CWRU.

If the school wanted to do that today, I'd support it.  Just keep the same school colors, and redraw the Cheshire cat in Blue, White, and Grey.  We could put a huge smiling Cheshire cat face on the football helmets.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 13, 2009, 07:10:42 AM
Gosh,

I sure wish CWRU would release its list of new recruits.

The suspense is unbearable!!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2009, 08:48:39 AM
Last year nothing was released until July.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 13, 2009, 06:45:02 PM
Ugh!

I'll be out of the country by then!

:'(
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 14, 2009, 12:10:50 AM
No internet in ROK?  When do you leave?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 14, 2009, 07:45:03 AM
Nah, I'll have internet.  Just sayin'

I graduate from Command and General Staff College with a Master's degree in Military History on June 12th.  My flight for Korea leaves on July 12th.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 14, 2009, 08:42:36 AM
Expect the numbers to be similar to last year's class.

It may be out soon.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on May 15, 2009, 05:18:06 PM
My son just sent in his student profile to Wash U. I hope to see their incoming class soon, as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 19, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
Welcome WUDad....and good luck to your son.

Hope you'll stick around and keep us up on what's happening with the Bears.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 21, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
Bobby Bott  pre-season AA 2nd team

http://cdsdraft.com/aa.php?team=Division%20III

I'm told the incoming class of Spartans will have more out-of-state players than from Ohio.

Here's two:

Luke Johnson 5'11  215 DL/OL  River Falls, WI  All-State HM OL

http://www.truveo.com/Luke-JohnsonFootball/id/905690211

Brandon Leedy  6' 245  DT Durham, NC   


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on May 23, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
My son has heard rumors that Wash U is getting the number 2 QB out of Wisconsin.  I hope so having some QB competition after losing  Sr. Buck Smith can't be a bad thing. ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 30, 2009, 12:37:19 PM
Welcome to the world of UAA football, WashUDad.

*FYI, though my name says 'TartanPlayer' I am an 'exTartanPlayer', my final season being the 2007 campaign (I graduated in May 2008).

Re: the comment about 'the number 2 QB out of Wisconsin' - Be advised that many players, even at this level, arrive with grandiose claims of being the #2 this, or All-State that.  Truth be told, no one really knows who can play and who can't until the pads are on at camp.  The supposed "top recruits" in my class at CMU on each side of the ball never became starters and actually quit before completing their eligibility.  On the flip side of the coin, myself and several teammates that were not considered among the 'top recruits' became starters (including a pair of two-time 1,000 yard rushers...neither of whom were regarded by the coaches as the 'top' RB in our class when we arrived!).

Best of luck to your son!  He should realize fairly soon that UAA football, though not Division I, is a very unique experience, and he'll enjoy his time at WashU!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 30, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
Ya know what really chaps my hide?

I just picked up Lindy's 2009 College Football Annual, and looked at their Division III preview section.

Case Western Reserve, despite having one of the nation's longest regular season DIII winning streaks, having reached double figures in wins each of the last two years, having made back to back playoff appearances, and having, as a Senior, one of Division III's best QBs didn't even make their pre-season TOP TWENTY-FIVE.

IT'S INJUSTICE.........I TELL YOU!!!

:'(
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 01, 2009, 08:41:36 AM
Last year Lindy's ranked CWRU #10, so their expertise is very questionable.
TSN has the Spartans #20 which is about right.

WUDad, if the QB that you refer to is Jared Abrederis, he seems to be quite a diverse athlete...All-State QB, All-Star hurdler, and a wrestler.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on June 01, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
No that isn't the guy. (sounds like I wish it were  :)  )
Wash U has there 2009 roster with the new recruits up on there website aling with the COSIDA form.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/football/footballroster.html (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/football/footballroster.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on June 01, 2009, 11:09:15 AM

or even their roster... sheesh..
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 01, 2009, 10:52:30 PM
The kid you got, Burkett, looks pretty impressive.  He had some DI interest.  #79 looks like he could be a load at OL.
WUSDtL's 27 recruits are low for them.

CMU has 44 
http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/mens-teams/football/rosters/index.html

Chicago--28
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0809/fb-freshmen-060109.htm

CWRU--29
???????
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 01, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on June 01, 2009, 11:09:15 AM

or even their roster... sheesh..

If you stay around long enough you'll acquire the capability to edit your posts [as I just did], a fool-proof tool.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on June 02, 2009, 08:14:27 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on May 30, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
Ya know what really chaps my hide?

I just picked up Lindy's 2009 College Football Annual, and looked at their Division III preview section.

Case Western Reserve, despite having one of the nation's longest regular season DIII winning streaks, having reached double figures in wins each of the last two years, having made back to back playoff appearances, and having, as a Senior, one of Division III's best QBs didn't even make their pre-season TOP TWENTY-FIVE.

IT'S INJUSTICE.........I TELL YOU!!!

:'(


Major,

Part of the problem is your talking about short term success here. In addition by not going beyond the second round of the playoffs no one is going to see you on their radar screen in the national media. If it was true CWRU was ranked 10th last year then that kind of balances out the issue. I would wait for the real experts at D3Football.com to come out with their preview in August before you get your panties in a wad. There you will see a more accurate evaluation of their true standings for pre-season. But it's not preseason that counts. Really? :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 03, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
Michael Fioramonti  Loxahatchee (FL) Seminole Ridge OLB reported headed to CWRU.  5'11 190 doesn't say big (but then Jeff Brown came in 5'10, 190), but he's got some big hits in these highlights. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKL__rRYTc&NR=1
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on June 04, 2009, 07:46:28 AM
5'11", 190 pounds is big enough if his heart is big enough.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 04, 2009, 08:42:39 AM
He will be a Spartan as will DL Tripper Duchscherer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 04, 2009, 09:09:32 AM
Tripper Duchscherer  6' 268 from Cardinal HS 2d team All-Dist Div V OL

I've now tracked down just over half of the incoming class.

Also of note, Dan Calabrese NDCL DB All-Ohio SM

I've found players from AZ, FL, IL, MI, NC, NY, PA, and WI.

Blue4  Do think there will be an official anouncement by Monday's golf outing?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 04, 2009, 11:40:35 AM
It would be nice but if the past announcments are any indication I wouldn't count on it...
12 OH
3 IL
7 PA
1 MI, WI, NC, AZ, IN, FL, MD, NY
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 04, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
Gotta love this report (emphasis added):
David Phillips led Fort Cherry to three consecutive WPIAL Class A playoff appearances as a quarterback and defensive back. This fall, he'll be playing for a perennial NCAA Division III playoff team.

Phillips will play at Case Western Reserve University, which began the 2008 season with 10 wins before a 20-17 loss to Wabash College in the first round of the playoffs.

In leading Fort Cherry to an 8-2 record his senior year, Phillips (6-2, 170) was selected to the Observer-Reporter's Elite 11. He completed 43 of 93 passes for 810 yards with eight touchdowns and rushed for 455 yards and six scores.

Phillips was first-team All-Black Hills Conference as a defensive back.

More evidence of Vinny Hokavar becoming a Spartan:
http://provinit.blogspot.com/

Blue4, is Adam Watson still in the fold, as you reported earlier?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2009, 12:17:05 AM
Changing my screen name to acknowledge Heritage Day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 05, 2009, 08:35:55 AM
adl70,

In that case, you ought to add a Red Cats avatar as well!

I still say that merging the "Rough Riders" and "Red Cats" into the "Rough Cats" would have been an ideal CWRU mascot.

Until such a thing comes about, however, I remain "Major SPARTAN."

What was your major at Adelbert College?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
My major was Sociology, but I took a lot of PoliSci as well.  And my first two years were in the physical sciences track.  Calculus and OrgChem did me in.

My diploma is headed Case Western Reserve University, but reads "On the recommendation of the Dean of Adelbert College of Western Reserve University..."

I believe mine was the last of three classes to have the option of a Western Reserve or CWRU diploma.

TSN's profile says this year's senior class is the largest in 25 years.  They select Bobby Bott All-American.

Lindy's has him second team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 06, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
I saw Bobby Bott listed as a TSN pre-season All-American.  Good news!

My own CWRU diploma has "Case Western Reserve University" at the top, but right underneath that, it says "On the recommendation of the faculty of the Weatherhead School of Management."

I received a BS in Management from CWRU in 1994.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 07, 2009, 10:13:54 AM
Wooster will open 2010 and 2011 v B-W.  Would be great if B-W and JCU could trade off with CWRU and Wooster for 2012 and 2013.

Double headers at a neutral site would be a great event.  I think Browns Stadium would be too big, but Parma's Byers Field would be perfect.  Problem there though is that it is home to four high school teams.  Bedford or Strongsville could also be possibilities.

Wooster could host one of the four years at Ashland's new stadium
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 07, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
If we're already playing one baseball game per year at Jacob's Field, then why shouldn't we also play one football game per year against a local opponent at Browns Stadium?

I think that it would be a great promotion and recruiting tool.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on June 08, 2009, 07:17:14 AM
How did CWRU and COW manage economically their 4/16/09 baseball game at Progressive Field? It must cost fully at least $10,000 to open the gates at the Field. Contribution by the Indians?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2009, 08:53:13 AM
Good question.

Not really sure.

I do know that up until the 1940s or so, the annual Case v. Western Reserve game was played at the then home of the Cleveland Indians on Thanksgiving Day.

In my view, CWRU should try to play at least one local opponent at Browns Stadium annually as a promotion.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 08, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: frank uible on June 08, 2009, 07:17:14 AM
How did CWRU and COW manage economically their 4/16/09 baseball game at Progressive Field? It must cost fully at least $10,000 to open the gates at the Field. Contribution by the Indians?

Frank I don't know the answer either.  Perhaps it was the Peter Lewis (Progressive) connection, although I believe the Spartans played there when it was still Jacobs Field.  I'm also pretty sure it was done without charging admission.

Major, needless to say, that was a different time.  I don't recall seeing any attendance figures for those games, but my guess is the numbers were signficantly higher than what the Spartans draw now.

One advantage to Browns Stadium though would be that the students, I believe, get transit passes, so getting there would be easy.

Maybe the current B-W connection with the Browns would make it work if they were involved.

With baseball the stadium is a part of the game (fence dimensions) and there tends to be less cheering.  In the friendly confines of Case Field even those meager crowds can be heard.  In Browns Stadium the cheers would be barely audible.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 10, 2009, 08:02:27 AM
adl70,

Here's some good information on "Heritage Day."

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

Quote: Case Western Reserve kicks off the 2009 season by hosting Kenyon College at Case Field on September 5 at 12:00 p.m.  The Spartans will honor Western Reserve University and Case Institute of Technology, the two institutions that federated in 1967 to form Case Western Reserve, that day by wearing red and brown jerseys with white pants, and a Rough Rider [CIT] and Red Cat [WRU] logo on their helmets as part of Heritage Day.

I can only presume that they're going to change their jerseys at halftime, and might have both logos on their helmets.

I think that this is a good tradition to start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on June 10, 2009, 08:38:57 AM
In the late 1940s Case School of Applied Science changed its name to Case Institute of Technology.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on June 10, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
Wikipedia says that the name change of Case School to Case Instiute occurred in 1947 - for those 2 other guys who might care.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 10, 2009, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 10, 2009, 08:02:27 AM
wearing red and brown jerseys

Syntactic ambiguity is afoot.  "red and brown jerseys"--each jersey has both colors v two jerseys, one of each color

The former seems like a pretty awful combination.  The latter would have been better written "red jerseys and brown jerseys"

Looks like the only Central Ohio Spartan newcomer will be Tony Opperman's HS teammate from St. Charles, Steven Roby All Central District SM Safety  Reported to run a 4.6 40

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2009/06/04/high04_ART_06-04-09_C6_HCE2RSG.html?sid=101

http://scoutingoh.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=315&name=cardsfball3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BetterRed on June 12, 2009, 12:55:41 PM
First Post!  I'm looking forward to this year.  Lots of returning starters.  I'm guessing Bartel (junior, not mine) will get the QB role.  He has looked good in limited action so far.  I see on the roster that they have a 285# freshmen OL.  If he can play...   I'll add some washu observations to the site during the year
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on June 12, 2009, 05:31:18 PM
Prolly a little biased   ::)  but I think he can play.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Welcome -- we need more CMU/Chicago/Wash U football posters, to be sure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 14, 2009, 01:58:12 PM
Mike Harris Shaker Hts OL 6'2 260 DI All-Dist 2d team coming to CWRU

http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?sid=624633336&url=shakerfootball

But will he play football?

Welcome BetterRed
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 15, 2009, 10:38:04 AM
Welcome also BetterRed.  It will be nice to have some WashU posters on here.

If I find myself some spare time later this summer, I'll post a UAA preview with capsules for each team like I did last year.  Without really looking at any stats or rosters, I'd install CWRU as the heavy favorite this year.

CMU lost several maintsays from last year's disappointing team (virtually the whole offensive front, including four-year starters Wisnieski and Freeman, plus defensive leader Crites).  Also, last year's leading rusher, FB Anthony Ruzga, transferred home to Wisconsin.

Then again, the last time the Tartans suffered heavy graduation losses from a disappointing 5-5 team, they ("we") went 11-1 and won the UAA?  Just a thought...but it's very difficult to imagine anyone knocking off CWRU this year.

WashU looks kinda stuck in neutral right now.  They'll never be "bad" but they can't really get over that seven-win mark.  Chicago has really struggled since their shocking UAA title in 2005 (even that was a weird season for UC, as they started 0-4).  Which might be exactly why we shouldn't sleep on the Maroons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BetterRed on June 15, 2009, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: WashUDad on June 12, 2009, 05:31:18 PM
Prolly a little biased   ::)  but I think he can play.



Great!  I've read this site for a couple of seasons and never saw a WUSTL post.  News is scarce other than the team website.   

Took a closer look today and we have three big OL freshmen...6-3,310...6-2,300...and your son.  There is only one upperclassman as big.  The August heat will burn some pounds off, but it will be great to get some size on the line.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 16, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
In 1932 Western Reserve defeated Case 13-7 in a strange game. Case piled up 18 first downs to exactly ZERO for Reserve, while in total yardage Case led 251-85. But the Western Reserve Red Cats scored on a 55-yard punt return by Sheldon Franz and a 40-yard TD pass catch by Barron Keady.
In 1931 Franz also scored the winner against Case on an 85-yard TD run.

In today's stats the 40 TD pass would count as one first down.

Red Cats finished the series 49-18-6 or 48-20-6, depending on where you look.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 19, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Like CMU and WUStL before, CWRU has added the new frosh to its roster without fanfare.

Mike Harris from Shaker is there, but not Adam Watson.

Blue4?

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/roster.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 20, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
I havent heard anything that he isnt.....  He's on my list.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 20, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
BetterRed/WashUDad,

A couple of quick observations re: big linemen...WashU and Chicago both had some towers playing OT in recent years (Riegle from WashU is one that comes to mind, can't remember the Chicago kid's name but he was a big dude too), and CMU's recently graduated Freeman was no small boy at 6-5 and 280.  Big boys and 300 pounders are not unheard-of in the UAA.

But often at this level, undersized linemen can beat out the bigger boys; technique and footwork are more important (a hard-learned lesson in my own experience, as I was benched as a sophomore because I was a little top-heavy; too much bench press, too many protein shakes, and not enough plyometrics).  I regained the left tackle job as a junior, 25 pounds lighter and a year wiser.

Incidentally, don't always trust the website/program when it comes to size.  I was listed at 6-1 and 260; I never saw either of those numbers, in fact they are laughably inaccurate, as I was actually about 5-11 and 230.  My best season at CMU (2006), our starting OL from left to right was 230, 235, 255, 240, and 280.

All that said, good luck to your respective sons in their experience.  WashUDad, I assume your son is one of the aforementioned big linemen.  BetterRed, what position does your son play?

ADL70 (formerly cwru70), thoughts on the CWRU lineplay this year? Starters returning?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 20, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Blue4--what's online may still be a work in progress, but I count 29 which was the original number you reported.  Phillip Grizer from Licking Hts might be the 30th?  He doesn't fit the geographic breakdown you reported earlier.

Looks like he did everything in HS but sell the proverbial tickets.

http://www.markportermedia.com/Phillip_Grizer_Licking_Heights_SR.htm

I'm going to watch him tonight in a Mid-Ohio All Star Game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on June 21, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
According to someone I know who was at the 7 on 7 vs. JCU, Vinny Hokavar was used at WR.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 21, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
At WR Hokavar would be learning the offense, which wouldn't be the case if he were on the other side of the ball.

Kyle Snyder was Joey Baum's successor at Walsh Jesuit and is following him to CWRU.  He's listed at DB though.

Not many highlights for Grizer last night.  He played DE.  He wasn't in the opposing backfield much, but he did stuff some runs at the line of scrimmage, one of which resulted in a fumble.  He showed good speed on one play where the QB rolled to the side of the field away from him and turned upfield.  Grize,r despite trailing the play, ran him down after about 15 yards.  That QB was a small mobile type.  Hopefully he'll get an eligible receiver number so he'll have the opportunity on both sides of the ball.  He did appear to be 6'1, 235 I'm not so sure of.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BetterRed on June 21, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on June 20, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
BetterRed/WashUDad,

A couple of quick observations re: big linemen...WashU and Chicago both had some towers playing OT in recent years (Riegle from WashU is one that comes to mind, can't remember the Chicago kid's name but he was a big dude too), and CMU's recently graduated Freeman was no small boy at 6-5 and 280.  Big boys and 300 pounders are not unheard-of in the UAA.

But often at this level, undersized linemen can beat out the bigger boys; technique and footwork are more important (a hard-learned lesson in my own experience, as I was benched as a sophomore because I was a little top-heavy; too much bench press, too many protein shakes, and not enough plyometrics).  I regained the left tackle job as a junior, 25 pounds lighter and a year wiser.

Incidentally, don't always trust the website/program when it comes to size.  I was listed at 6-1 and 260; I never saw either of those numbers, in fact they are laughably inaccurate, as I was actually about 5-11 and 230.  My best season at CMU (2006), our starting OL from left to right was 230, 235, 255, 240, and 280.

All that said, good luck to your respective sons in their experience.  WashUDad, I assume your son is one of the aforementioned big linemen.  BetterRed, what position does your son play?

ADL70 (formerly cwru70), thoughts on the CWRU lineplay this year? Starters returning?



Good points TartanPlayer.  My son, a D Lineman, was overstated when he started and has not been updated since.  But everything is relative and my view is we need some more push on the O line to establish a better running game.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 21, 2009, 08:07:46 PM
[X]TP

CWRU's left side returns with All UAA 1st Team OT Marcus Kluczynski (6-4, 240 JR) and 2nd team G Tony Opperman 6-2, 240 SO).

Center could be Senior Corey Leshen (6', 270) who has started games at both C and G during an injury filled career or Soph Michael Allen (5-11, 250) who started six games after Dollin and Leshen were injured.

Ryan Breon (d3 All-Reg 1st team) and Chris Center (UAA 2d team) have left the right side to be filled.  Leshen and Juniors William Qaqish (5-11, 260) or Matt Yanosko (6-4, 300) are returners most likely to fill out the lineup.  Two freshmen who were 2nd team All-District selections, Mike Harris (D-I  6-2, 260) and Tripper Duchscherer (D-V 6-1, 268), seemingly are the newcomers with the best shot to start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 21, 2009, 08:12:13 PM
BR, I may well have knocked heads with your son then, depending on how early in his career he saw action.  Did he play much in the 2006 or 2007 season? (I guess he would have been a freshman or sophomore)

Point taken, size can help in the running game, no doubt about it.  Freeman was our best (or at least most dominant) OL, and Riegle of WashU always impressed me.  I was just pointing out that it's no guarantee of success.

The best D-Lineman I played against was probably Drew Wethington of WashU, who was probably 240 or so.  Case's Brian Calderone was pretty darned good too, and I think he was in the 230 range.  *In regular season play, anyway; in the 2006 playoffs Wesley had a 295-pound monster named Bryan Robinson that got a training camp invite from the Cardinals.  I might as well have tried to block a dump truck.

Good to hear from you (X)CWRU70 / ADL70,

Breon was a load, and if I remember Center was pretty good too.  CWRU's been filling the pipeline pretty well though.  And bringing back the left side intact is a good sign, especially for CWRU as more of a passing team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 22, 2009, 10:44:10 AM
wouldnt get too excited about pos during 7 on 7's.  only a hand full of local skill guys are around anyway that can make the informal get togethers and with work and such most guys play both ways just to get some work in...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 23, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
Three additions to the frosh, including (finally!) Adam Watson.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/roster.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 24, 2009, 11:24:34 PM
Keeping grounded by Tartan Player's admonition that the most heralded newcomers aren't always the most successful players, fully one-third of the incoming class of Spartans were either All-State (6) or All-District (5) selections.

All-State

Vinny Hokavar--3 time All-Ohio  2006 D-IV 2nd team DB   2007 D-IV 2nd team team QB  2008 D-IV SM QB

Adam Watson  All-Ohio D-I 2nd team OL

Phillip Grizer All-Ohio D-IV 2nd team DL

Dan Calabrese All-Ohio D-III SM DB

Ryan Ferguson  Class 5A Illinois HSFCA  LB/TE

Lucas Johnson   All Wisconsin HM  OL


All-District

Mike Harris  NE Ohio D-II 2nd team  OL

Tripper Duchscherer NE Ohio D-V 2nd team  OL

Kyle Snyder NE Ohio D-II HM   2007 D-III 2nd team  QB

Steven Roby Central Ohio D-II SM  DB

Collin Desens  Section I NY  OL
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 28, 2009, 07:25:09 PM
I've filled in most of the blanks

2009 Case Western Reserve Spartan Freshmen
Kevin Brayer LB 6-1 186 North Canton (Hoover)
Andrew Berkebile OL 6-1 260 Cranberry Twp PA (Seneca Valley)
Dan Calabrese DB 5-8 170 Mentor (NDCL)
Mike Calabrese OL 5-11 260 Eden MD (Parkside)
Collin Desens DL 6-1 230 Hopewell Junction NY (Arlington)
Cary Dieter DB 5-11 185 McKees Rock, PA (Montour)
Cullen Dolan TE 6-3 205 Chicago IL (Brother Rice)
Tripper Duchscherer DL 6-1 268 Middlefield (Cardinal)
Ryan Ferguson LB 6-1 185 Wheaton IL (St Francis)
Michael Fioramonti LB 5-11 190 Loxahatchee FL (Seminole Ridge)
Brandon Flick DB 6-0 185 Butler PA (Knoch)
Garrett Foreijt DB  6-1 180 Ruff's Dale, PA (Greensburg CC)
Phillip Grizer DL 6-1 235 Pataskala (Licking Heights)
Michael Harris DL 6-2 260 Shaker Heights
Vinny Hokavar QB 6-3 195 Perry
Tyler Hugus OL 6-2 230 Scottsdale AZ (Notre Dame)
Lucas Johnson DL 5-11 215 River Falls WI (River Falls)
Philip Kalal DL 5-9 230 North Olmsted
Michael Koopman OL 6-1 255 Brunswick (Parma Padua)
Will Lang LB 6-0 185 Winchester MA
Brandon Leedy DL 6-0 240 Durham NC (Jordan)
Kevin Nossem LB 6-2 210 Munster IN
David Phillips QB 6-2 185 McDonald PA (Fort Cherry)
Robert Ruffner DB 5-9 165 Allison Park PA (Shady Side Academy))
Steven Roby DB 6-0 142 Gahanna (St. Charles Prep)
Zachary Scott WR 6-3 180 West Allegheny PA
Wade Self LB 6-0 215 Hawthorn Woods IL (Lake Zurich)
Michael Sirosky DL 6-1 205 Rochester Hills MI (Adams)
Kyle Snyder DB 6-1 180 Stow (Walsh Jesuit)
Lucas Voigt DL 5-11 225 North Royalton (Parma Padua)
Adam Watson DE 6-2 230 Mentor
Chris Yanosko OL 6-2 230 Parma (St Ignatius)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 29, 2009, 09:28:04 PM
Pat Coleman has the Spartans ranked #18 in his USA Today preview.

Add Kevin Nossem (LB) to the the list as a District All-Star in Indiana
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 30, 2009, 12:12:11 PM
ADL70   I see the ratings from last year but nothing for this year.  Do you have a link??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 30, 2009, 08:56:32 PM
Just hard copy.

Pat has CWRU one of 4 ranked North region teams:

1  Mount Union
5  North Central
8  Wheaton
18 CWRU

USA Today Top 25
http://www.suseagulls.com/sports/fball/2009-10/news/usatodaypoll0629
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 01, 2009, 11:57:02 PM
Seems reasonable.  CWRU has been building a lot of depth the past few years, and with Whalen back I think they'll stay up there.

To me the real test of how far the CWRU program has come will be when Whalen graduates.  With no disrespect intended to the rest of the team, as I am well aware of how much better the overall talent level has improved, I think he's the difference between these CWRU teams going unbeaten vs. winning 7 or 8 games a year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2009, 08:11:32 AM
No doubt Whalen is key and, not getting too far ahead of ourselves, 2010 will be a big test with the addition of John Carroll to the schedule too.  But don't forget the strength of the defense.  I feel that Joey Baum would have been able to lead the Spartans to 10-0 last year.  The situation that concerns me most for 2010 is third and short situations with the departure of Corey Checkan.  Then there is the question of offers for Coach Debeljak.

We would relish being a "perennial play-off team" as one Western PA paper described CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Black n Gold on July 02, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
A Wooster Fighting Scot fan here....

How does this years Case squad match up with last years? I know Whalen is back, but what about everyone else? (I could look at your website, but its a lot easier on here) I've always enjoyed traveling up North for some entertaining football games with you guys and taking in the awesome atmosphere you guys provide, not just with the stadium but with the fans as well. I'm looking forward to the matchup this year as Wooster will host their first ever night game against the Spartans on the new field turf for "Alumni Night" (Should be a very large crowd on both ends). Good luck on your upcoming season and we will see you soon.  8)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on July 02, 2009, 12:12:57 PM
welcome black and gold

basically 19 starters return including all the skill players (2 qb, 5 rb, 6 wr, 3 te).  the OL needs a tweak or two but plenty of backups saw considerable time.  The D lost a couple key performers as well but return a strong nucleus.

this is now a sr dominated team with 3 strong classes behind them.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 03, 2009, 09:13:30 AM
Statistically speaking, 100% of the offense returns along with the top seven and eleven of the top fifteen tacklers.

The Heritage Day jerseys have been revealed.  The brown with red trim doesn't look bad in the picture.  It comes off kind of orangish, ala the Browns.  The numerals are very distinctive too.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/heritageday.html (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/heritageday.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 03, 2009, 09:29:54 AM
The CWRU SID office should get, in its release, the spelling of Warren Lahr's last name right.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 03, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 03, 2009, 09:29:54 AM
The CWRU SID office should get, in its release, the spelling of Warren Lahr's last name right.

They seem perennially to be challenged in the copy editing department. 
I'm not positive about in 1953, but in 1966 Clarke Field was the home field for both Case and Reserve, but the press box only bore the name of Western Reserve.  At some time Case had its own Van Horn Field.  And the name Clarke is associated with Reserve more than with Case.

Also, the 1941 Sun Bowl that Reserve played in was on January 1, 1941, so it was before, not after the 1941 Thanksgiving Day Case-Reserve game.  The release could have also mentioned that Reserve was then coached by future College Football Hall of Fame Coach Bill Edwards (Detroit Lions, Vanderbilt, and Wittenberg) and the team featured Steve Belichick, father of Bill (reportedly named for Coach Edwards).  Steve also played for Edwards with the Lions and coached with him at Vanderbilt, before becoming a long-time assistant at Navy.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8d0KAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_E8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6141,24903
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 03, 2009, 12:51:17 PM
Saw the 1953 game. It is my recollection and impression that the game day field for that day was right next to the old Adelbert gym and belonged to Reserve. In the 40s Reserve played some of its games at Shaw Field. Were any Case-Reserve games played there? I don't recall that any of them were. In years that I saw Reserve play at Shaw Field I believe the Case-Reserve games were played certainly some or all at League Park and maybe some at Municipal Stadium.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 03, 2009, 04:17:20 PM
The 1967 game was played at Shaw.  I was there.  It was Case's home field that year, because Clarke Field had been torn down and Finnigan hadn't been erected.  Reserve played its home games at Cuyahoga Hts High School.  As a result two away games, Case and John Carroll, were actually closer to campus than the home games.

My guess is that the 1953 game was a home game for Case, but both teams played their home games there.  Do you recall that Case was the home team?

I believe it was you who enlighted me that the grandstands at Clarke Field had come from the Cleveland Air Show.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 03, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
This Heritage Day is the best promotion CWRU has EVER come up with.

Are the helmets going to have a "Red Cat" on one side, and a "Rough Rider" on the other, or something?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 03, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
I don't remember who was the officially designated home team in the 1953 game - but for some reason I always thought Reserve was the home team. The National Air Race stands were not up for that game. As I recall, those stands didn't go up until the 60s. We moved out of the University Circle neighborhood in 1956, and thereafter I never saw another Case, Reserve or CWRU game although I returned for educational, cultural and social reasons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 08, 2009, 01:33:18 AM
Gang,

This is a link that absolutely, positively, MUST be clicked on.........upon PAIN OF DEATH!!!

;)

Enjoy!

http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/p4013coll2&CISOPTR=2485&filename=2536.pdf#search=%22Adams,RyonF%22
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on July 08, 2009, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on July 08, 2009, 01:33:18 AM
Gang,

This is a link that absolutely, positively, MUST be clicked on.........upon PAIN OF DEATH!!!

;)

Enjoy!


It certainly is a welcome deviation from hordes of black limos and 24/7 coverage of Michael Jackson's demise.  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 08, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
Looks like a lot of work there, Major.  How long did that take?  Also, if you've just finished your Master's degree, congratulations!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 08, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Thanks!

The thesis took me about 2.5 months to research, and about 2 months to write.  After that, I had to defend it, and pass an oral comprehensive exam.

Of course, during all that, I was completing coursework as well.

I received that Master's degree on June 12th.

I had previously received a law degree from the University of Houston, and another Master's from Central Michigan.  My bachelor's degree was from CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on July 09, 2009, 01:10:01 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on July 08, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Thanks!

The thesis took me about 2.5 months to research, and about 2 months to write.  After that, I had to defend it, and pass an oral comprehensive exam.

Of course, during all that, I was completing coursework as well.

I received that Master's degree on June 12th.

I had previously received a law degree from the University of Houston, and another Master's from Central Michigan.  My bachelor's degree was from CWRU.

You have descovered the ultimate prize.........how to remain/become a professional student. Some of the best 5...10 years of my life were being a student....with all the rights and benefits it allows....Congratulations.

I hear McDonalds is paying $10.00 an hour!  :D


I am kidding I hope you know. ;D












It's only $7.00 ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 09, 2009, 01:25:55 AM
MajorSpartan: Is George Steinbrenner going to attend Heritage Day? I believe that he was an assistant football coach at Case in the early 50s under Lou Saban although I haven't been able to find confirmation of the fact on the internet. Perhaps some one can dig it out of the Case archives.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 09, 2009, 10:14:49 AM
George Steinbrenner?

Really?

Gosh!  I never heard that!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 09, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
The timelines don't quite match up for Steinbrenner to have been an assistant at Case for Saban or any other time.  I could find no references to him as an assistant in the online CWRU archives

The Steinbrenner bios online have him graduating from Williams in 1952 and entering the Air Force after graduation,  It's possible he could have served under Saban at Case in the fall of 1952 and reported to Air Force after the season.  But one source says he was discharged from the Air Force in 1954, started graduate school at Ohio State that year, and was a football graduate assistant for the undefeated 1954 team.  That sequence would mean he was in the AF less than two full years.  Another source says he served three years in the Air Force and coached high school football in Coulmbus.

Thereafter he was an assistant at Northwestern and Purdue.

I discovered this undated picture of Clarke Field.  It is as remember it from 1966, its last year.

http://library.case.edu/digitalcase/datastreamDetail.aspx?PID=ksl:uarchives-arcima00691&DSID=arcima00691.jp2&pageParam=SearchResults&q=

Also discovered this archive of Case, Western Reserve, and CWRU teams from 1880-2000.
http://www.case.edu/its/archives/Seasons/seasrecs.htm

I also found that future tennis journalist Bud Collins was the Reserve golf coach in 1954.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 10, 2009, 09:54:32 AM
Jeez, Major, is collecting college degrees a hobby?

Of course, I'm working on a Master's and may decide to pursue a PhD...should I be careful what I wish for?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 10, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 09, 2009, 01:25:55 AM
MajorSpartan: Is George Steinbrenner going to attend Heritage Day? I believe that he was an assistant football coach at Case in the early 50s under Lou Saban although I haven't been able to find confirmation of the fact on the internet. Perhaps some one can dig it out of the Case archives.
Quote from: MajorSpartan on July 09, 2009, 10:14:49 AM
George Steinbrenner?

Really?

Gosh!  I never heard that!


Quote from: ADL70 on July 09, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
The timelines don't quite match up for Steinbrenner to have been an assistant at Case for Saban or any other time.  I could find no references to him as an assistant in the online CWRU archives

The Steinbrenner bios online have him graduating from Williams in 1952 and entering the Air Force after graduation,  It's possible he could have served under Saban at Case in the fall of 1952 and reported to Air Force after the season.  But one source says he was discharged from the Air Force in 1954, started graduate school at Ohio State that year, and was a football graduate assistant for the undefeated 1954 team.  That sequence would mean he was in the AF less than two full years.  Another source says he served three years in the Air Force and coached high school football in Coulmbus.

Thereafter he was an assistant at Northwestern and Purdue.

I discovered this undated picture of Clarke Field.  It is as remember it from 1966, its last year.

http://library.case.edu/digitalcase/datastreamDetail.aspx?PID=ksl:uarchives-arcima00691&DSID=arcima00691.jp2&pageParam=SearchResults&q=

Also discovered this archive of Case, Western Reserve, and CWRU teams from 1880-2000.
http://www.case.edu/its/archives/Seasons/seasrecs.htm

I also found that future tennis journalist Bud Collins was the Reserve golf coach in 1954.


Gentlemen:

That is interesting.  Having done extensive research and written/published on the history of small college intercollegiate football for a couple of schools and our conference, I can share with you that such seemingly "strange" happenings do occur.  The late great coach George Allen of NFL fame, has always been associated with Alma College as having been a player there during the WWII era.  When we were doing research for the centennial football celebration of the college, some people questioned if that was true, since documentation was initially thought to be questionable or non-existant.  However, after an exhaustive search, we were able to definitely document that he had been a player at Alma College for one season while he was in the V-12 program before leaving late in the fall after the season for active service in WWII.  Although the evidence was minimal and "sketchy", nonetheless, it was, indeed, there.  It just wasn't documented as well by the college and in their archives despite it being in the 1940's (i.e. a later era and well after the official establishment of intercollegiate football at Alma College in 1894) as compared to many other years before and after in which documentation of the football players and team results was more extensive - although some years more than others surprisingly.

Anyway, perhaps if Steinbrenner was actually at Case, it just wasn't documented as well; perhaps he was a volunteer assistant.  It is well known that type of situation does happen i.e. where someone is involved with a team in a voluntary status, and while contributes and is there regularly, it just isn't recognized publically as much (and perhaps even he missed being in the official team photo for that year).  I'm not saying that is the case (no pun intended ;D) here with your Steinbrenner question, but rather just mentioning that the situation as I have described has happened elsewhere and is certainly a possible explanation.  

Let the rest of us know what information, if any, that any of you might find further regarding this.  Again, it is very interesting, particularly for those who have, perhaps, a more deep interest in the historical aspects of your/our small college programs.  Thanks.

formerd3db
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on July 10, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
There has to be some Case players alive from the Saban era.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 10, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: frank uible on July 10, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
There has to be some Case players alive from the Saban era.

Too bad this question didn't come up earlier this year before Saban passed away.  Perhaps, despite his advanced age and condition, Saban may have been able to answer the question and "solve the mystery".
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 11, 2009, 08:21:06 AM
Well, regardless of whether George Steinbrenner was ever at Case, it'd be great if we could get the legendary Don Shula to attend Heritage Day.

He has a bona fide MA in Physical Education from Western Reserve University.

See below:

http://www.case.edu/alumni/notable/sports.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 20, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
I hope I'm not reading too much into this, but on the CWRU site the 09-10 basketball schedule has broadcast info, but the football schedule doesn't.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 30, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Anyone know what's become of Tom Kaufman?  UChi just announced hiring a new DC, his old job, and he is no longer listed with the assistant coacheson their site (except on the 2009 pre-season roster that was posted in April).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: short on July 31, 2009, 02:22:01 PM
Tom Kaufman is at Mississippi State as Quality Control.  QC is similar to GA only they make a 3times as much money.  Most QC make in the Mid 20s to Upper 40s which is surely a pay cut but he's D1 now!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 31, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
OK, I saw a Tom Kaufman, but didn't think it was the same one.  Now I see the connection with CWRU's Angelo Mirando (formerly GA at Florida), who is also a grad assistant at Miss St.  Eric Stuedemann from North Central is the off qc assistant.
Head Coach Dan Mullens is an Ursinus grad and was OC at Florida 2005-08.  And has an Ursinus teammate and a Millsaps grad on the staff.









Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 02, 2009, 08:05:02 AM
The OCF website has picked 8 Spartans for its D3 All-Ohio team.

1st team Whalen, Coffey, English, Brown, Bott
2nd team Nicely, Kluczynski
HM Meyer

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 04, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
Audio preview w/Coach Debs:
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2009-10/debs.WAV

Text one as well:
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2009-10/pr08_05_09.html

Tim Cowdrick a 5th year senior (this year)?
John Hamill moving to DE
Brad Paramore from FS to OLB
Greg Kingscott expected succeed him at FS

Eight frosh for DL [I actually count ten, perhaps two are being slotted for LB]...two were all-district on OL but have been given numbers that won't permit them to play OL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 05, 2009, 05:22:44 AM
Looks like we're d3football.com's pre-season #16.

Let's see how far we can go!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on August 05, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
Cowdrick is a 4th yr senior.  He thought about a redshirt last yr but decided to play the last 6 games with that torn hamstring.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 06, 2009, 09:29:52 AM
Quote from: blue4now on August 05, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
Cowdrick is a 4th yr senior.  He thought about a redshirt last yr but decided to play the last 6 games with that torn hamstring.

I knew, you (of course) know, but why not whoever wrote the preview?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on August 06, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
hard to say......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 09, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
"fifth year" has been removed from the preview.

Now if they can get Warren Lahr's name spelled right in the Heritage Day article.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 11, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: EveryOneAround on May 05, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
I read the paper the other day and it said Hokavar was going to Case? Is this official?
:D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 12, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 11, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: EveryOneAround on May 05, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
I read the paper the other day and it said Hokavar was going to Case? Is this official?
:D

?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on August 12, 2009, 02:57:27 PM
yes he is........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 12, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
Sorry for the inside joke.  It turns out so was the post I quoted.

I have ascertained the connection of EveryOneAround to CWRU within one degree of separation at least.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 13, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
Practice has started, I believe.  Three players that I thought would step up on defense this year are no longer listed on the roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on August 14, 2009, 08:06:54 AM
who are you referring to??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 14, 2009, 07:54:24 PM
Gang,

This is a really KEWL website:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/midwestern-colleges.asp

It ranks colleges and universities in the Midwest according to which schools' graduates (among those with only Bachelor's degrees) have the highest starting, and mid-career salaries.

Of the schools in the Midwest with the ten highest average salaries (mid-career), two of them are UAA schools: University of Chicago at #2, and Case Western Reserve University at #7, further proof of the UAA's elitism among DIII conferences.  For comparative purposes, academic powerhouse Northwestern only came in at #13.

Here was the Midwest's Top Ten:

School/Starting Salary/Mid-Career Salary
University of Notre Dame   $55,300   $121,000
University Of Chicago   $51,700   $107,000
Carleton College   $45,400   $104,000
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)   $53,900   $99,700
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (RHIT)   $61,100   $98,800
Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT)   $57,400   $97,600
Case Western Reserve University   $56,500   $97,500
Miami University   $47,100   $96,100
Missouri University of Science and Technology (Missouri S&T)   $57,300   $95,200
Kettering University   $57,900   $94,500

Incidentally, Case BURIES its in-state rivals.  In other words, if you want to go to school in Ohio, AND also want to make a lot of money, go to CASE!!!

Here are some of the other schools from Ohio:

Kenyon (#17)
Ohio Wesleyan (#19)
Dayton (#23)
Denison (#30)
Ohio State (#36)
Cincinnati (#44)
Toledo (#50)
Oberlin (#52)
Akron (#74)
Cleveland State (#77)
Ohio U (#78)
Bowling Green (#81)
Wright State (#86)
Baldwin-Wallace (#101)
Ashland (#102)
Capital (#107)
Mount Union (#109)

I didn't see Wooster listed.

For those that wish to compare schools from other regions:

Northeast:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/northeastern-colleges.asp

Southern:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/southern-colleges.asp

Western:

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/western-us-colleges.asp

Here's an interesting question:  Is the ultimate "litmus test" of how valuable a person's education is the extent to which other people are willing to PAY YOU to utilize it?  That may be a debate topic in and of itself!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
Major Spartan,

An obvious flaw in the data is dealing ONLY with those who stop at a bachelor's degree.  At many schools, alums consider that to be undereducated! ;D  (To put it another way, you're lopping off the top(?) half to 2/3 of many graduating classes.)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 14, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
I deleted my post in response to blue4 and sent a PM.

I don't want to post anything that might seem critical of any player.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on August 18, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
Major Spartan,

An obvious flaw in the data is dealing ONLY with those who stop at a bachelor's degree.  At many schools, alums consider that to be undereducated! ;D  (To put it another way, you're lopping off the top(?) half to 2/3 of many graduating classes.)

Schools with large number of Education graduates like Mount Union are obviously never going to rank high. Plus, until this year, Mount never offered a Masters program. It's apples and oranges comparing colleges and universities.

I don't think we needed much to understand that Chicago and Case Western are elite schools. Follow Mount students to their terminal degrees and I'm sure they move up the scale.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 19, 2009, 02:01:22 PM
Whew...after reading that preview for Case, I've gotta say that it's hard to imagine any of the UAA teams will catch up to them this year.  With Whalen still pulling the trigger and virtually all of the leading rushers/receivers back, nobody's got the firepower to keep up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 19, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Potential weakness, depth on defense.  Freshmen will have to back up several positions.  They'll have to be ready if there are injuries.

Media Guide

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2009/2009CaseWesternReserveFBGuide_web.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Cleveland_Fan on August 25, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Looking forward to another great season for CWRU.

First game is Sept 5, home against Kenyon College.   Home Opener is also "Heritage Day."  Very cool event IMO:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news/2008-09/heritageday.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 25, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
WOW!!!!

What a write-up in "Kickoff!!!"

Now I'm more psyched up than ever!  Just imagine CWRU vs MUC for ALL THE MARBLES!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on August 25, 2009, 05:00:08 PM
Finally got Warren Lahr's name spelled correctly. At Reserve Warren was a Deke whose house was on the northeast corner of Bellflower and Ford. I lived two doors to the east on the north side of Bellflower and had a Cleveland Press paper route covering Bellflower, Ford, Magnolia, Hessler and Juniper. I got to walk up to the Deke house front porch and sometimes hand Lahr his fraternity's copy of the Press as he was sitting on the porch. Big thrill for a 12 year old!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 25, 2009, 07:44:06 PM
Major, you certainly don't lack enthusiasm and optimism.

(I have not read Kickoff yet, so if they made a reference to this possibility, my apologies)

However, I somewhat doubt that this was predicted.  I'd rank CWRU in the 20ish range, with the possibility of two playoff wins if everything - and I mean everything - comes together.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
From Kickoff:

"Spartans ready to jump to the next level."

"Case Western Reserve eyes third straight title, shot at national title"

There's a feature on WUStL's Jim O'Brien and UChi's Francis Adarkwa.  Teamates in HS, foes in college.

So UAA fans, get Kickoff!

Welcome Cleveland_Fan
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 26, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
Sorry for the quite possibly dumb question, but...

Quote from: ADL70 on August 25, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
So UAA fans, get Kickoff!

how do you go about doing that?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Cleveland_Fan on August 26, 2009, 08:49:06 AM
ADL70, 

Thanks for the welcome!  Great to be here.

jam40jeff,

This link should work: http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 26, 2009, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: Cleveland_Fan on August 26, 2009, 08:49:06 AM
jam40jeff,

This link should work: http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/

Thanks.  As much as I'm on this site, I have no idea how I haven't seen that section.  I guess I've trained myself to only click certain links.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on August 26, 2009, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on August 25, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
WOW!!!!

What a write-up in "Kickoff!!!"

Now I'm more psyched up than ever!  Just imagine CWRU vs MUC for ALL THE MARBLES!!!

I'd love to see that game :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 28, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Gang,

This new tradition is just uncommonly SUPER-KEWL!!!

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

d3football.com should really do a story on this!

When you click on the link, check out those really KEWL throwback helmets and jerseys.

Case will romp.  I'm picking the Spartans by at least three TDs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2009, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on August 28, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Gang,

This new tradition is just uncommonly SUPER-KEWL!!!

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2

d3football.com should really do a story on this!

When you click on the link, check out those really KEWL throwback helmets and jerseys.

Case will romp.  I'm picking the Spartans by at least three TDs.


MajorSpartan:

Great article and fantastic info!  Thanks for posting it.  In that same vein, you might be interested in this as well.  I posted this on some of the other boards, but just wanted to mention that Hope College is celebrating it's 100th season in football this year.  Although Hope's football program is not as old as some of the storied programs in your conference, nonethless, you might enjoy checking this link out on Hope's athletic website - some neat facts, stories and new researched info regarding Hope's football history.  I know I enjoy those aspects about all the DIII college football programs.  Again, thanks for sharing the info about yours and the celebration this year for CWRU (CI and WR).

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 01, 2009, 12:56:26 AM
Posted CCIW Pick-em's Contest rules and week #1 games.  All are welcome to participate.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Black n Gold on September 01, 2009, 09:39:13 AM
Did any scrimmages go on in the UAA.........how did you guys look?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 01, 2009, 12:14:55 PM
I've heard good things about Carnegie Mellon's scrimmage vs. Waynesburg, but I wasn't there so I don't have much solid information.  Good news is, we get the real thing starting this weekend.  CMU opens at home with Ohio Wesleyan, I see that CWRU opens with Kenyon (should be a romp)...what about WashU and Chicago?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 01, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
Wash U opens with Greeneville College Sat night.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 02, 2009, 05:16:31 AM
Chicago has a bye.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2009, 09:35:30 PM
All three UAA games Saturday will be available as streaming video on each team's website.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 04, 2009, 03:20:25 PM
Gang,

Here's a really KEWL Cleveland Plain Dealer article on the upcoming CWRU football season.

Enjoy!

http://www.cleveland.com/collegesports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/125205307850670.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 05, 2009, 06:43:31 AM
GO Bears Beat Greenville ! ! !

Good Luck to Case Western and Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 05, 2009, 05:13:36 PM
Gang,

That final score against Kenyon is WAAAAAY too close for my taste.

I realize that we doubled them in total offense, and entered the red zone 10 times, but we should have blown them out.

Kudos to Whalen for having over 400 yards passing and 4 TDs. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 05, 2009, 05:35:43 PM
Major, if it's any consolation, it was a very ugly win for CMU as well.  Badly outgained, no passing game, struggled to rush consistently, and needed a late strip-sack-touchdown to save the game.  Many kudos to the Tartan defense for pulling this one out.  19-7 final.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2009, 08:13:44 PM
Can a career performance by Whalen and over 500yds offense be called lackluster?  It seemed that way to me.  Two lost fumbles in the red zone, tackling that seemed less crisp the we're used to seeing, four sacks given up for -41 yards, and too many personal fouls say there's lots of room for improvement.

But maybe we've been spoiled.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on September 06, 2009, 11:27:23 AM
Win ugly if you have today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 07, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
By chance does anyone have some Heritage Day photos?

I'd like to see how those throwback jerseys and helmets looked out on the field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 08, 2009, 12:33:44 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 07, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
By chance does anyone have some Heritage Day photos?

I'd like to see how those throwback jerseys and helmets looked out on the field.

I came here to ask the same question. I'd love to see those sweet throwbacks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on September 08, 2009, 06:40:19 AM
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/images/2009_10_news/heritagephoto.jpg (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/images/2009_10_news/heritagephoto.jpg)

still love the Spartan Blues ....  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 08, 2009, 08:02:59 AM
Poppy is right.  Didnt get all warm and fuzzy to the brown and red...  Heritage Day is an excellent idea (long overdure) but give me that Spartan blue!!   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
Might be a game photo in Friday's Observer.  The video may be archived eventually.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on September 08, 2009, 11:30:26 AM
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t14/PecosBill44/HeritageGame4.jpg (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t14/PecosBill44/HeritageGame4.jpg)

here is a pic of the uniforms

Dan Whalen #5
Shaun Nicely #86

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
Thnx Poppa

Sure miss the Breon pix from the last couple of years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 09, 2009, 04:54:44 AM
PoppaN,

Thanks!

Your second photo is more like what I was looking for.  An actual game photo.  I had already seen the pics from the Case athletics home page.

I was hoping that someone had a collection of game pictures.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 10, 2009, 11:50:36 AM
Those unis looks pretty cool. Thanks for the pic, PoppaN.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 10, 2009, 06:42:37 PM
Gang,

Here's a better set of pictures.

http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=ynPCrkrHu1AOr%2Bsyoyfntg%3D%3D&u=zhu5xpIaLGyZDIQkuyKoEg%3D%3D&page=3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on September 11, 2009, 05:33:40 AM
excellent photos Major ... do you know who to thank for these?

getting ready for trip to Rochester .. I hear it will be wet this weekend in New York ... it rained last year when we played UofR at home. Guess they are returning the favor ... LOL
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on September 11, 2009, 10:04:34 AM
In a  somewhat embarrassing stat, Coach Debs (35-19) is looking to tie Jim Chapman (36-7-1) for most wins in CWRU history.  36 wins is not that much, but hopefully Coach Debs will be around for a while and extend that record out.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 11, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
CWRU vs. Rochester - gotta expect the Spartans to roll here.  CWRU 34-13.

Chicago vs. Kenyon - Chicago managed to lose to Kenyon last year.  I want to believe that the Maroons are better than that.  Chicago 27-21.

WashU vs Westminster (Mo.) - WashU has owned this series lately.  Despite an ugly loss in the opener, I'll take the Bears.  WashU 21-14.

CMU vs. Grove City - very ugly win for CMU last week, coupled with strong offensive showing by GCC in opening-week loss, has me very concerned.  The Tartan defense played well last week, and they'll be the key to a victory this week, if it's going to happen.  CMU 13-10.

Here's hoping for a UAA clean sweep this week.  This could blow up in my face and be 1-3 the wrong way, but I have confidence in the UAA squads this year!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2009, 07:32:02 AM
Link to Rochester's streaming video

http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2009, 02:13:32 PM
End of 3 in Rochester:  CWRU 42 Uof R 14  5 TD passes for Whalen and 1 rushing  Baum is in the game

Hokavar is in now: completed his first pass.

Final 45-14
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 12, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Now THAT'S more like it!

That's what I expected us to do against Kenyon.

Whalen is having an ALL-AMERICAN season thus far.

WHALEN FOR GAGLIARDI!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 12, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
Well, I got all the winners right, but my scores were off by a tad.  CWRU and UChi were about what I should have expected.  I definitely DID NOT expect 85 total points in the CMU vs. GCC game, but we'll take the win.  And WashU had a little more trouble dispatching Westminster (Mo) than I thought they would, but they came through with the victory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Looking at the # of defensive players who had tackles, I suspect that Westminister's 21 4th qtr points came against back-ups.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 13, 2009, 06:40:27 PM
We just cracked the Top Ten!!!

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2009, 08:07:11 PM
And Carnegie Mellon got a vote.  They will be tested Saturday by Hobart, though.  As will  WUStL (Wittenberg) and Chicago (Wabash).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on September 14, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
Big kick return for a speedy freshman from Chicago setting up a key Score.  Dee Brizzolara from Aurora Ohio looks like he is making an impact on special teams and as a reciever.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on September 15, 2009, 01:43:26 AM
Here's my take on the Hobart-CMU game (obviously from a Hobart perspective):

The Hobart Statesmen football team started a new quarterback and suffered a tough loss to Dickinson College. The following weekend, the Statesmen welcomed an undefeated Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) Tartan team to Boswell Field.

Sound familiar?

It should to Hobart (and CMU) fans. In 2007 Andy Strom '08 took a loss in his first start as QB in Carlisle but rallied the team the following week to defeat the then #22 Tartans 27-26 in Geneva.

Last season Hobart defeated CMU 21-16 in Pittsburg in a sloppy game that featured five interceptions by QBs Rich Doyle '09 (three) and Phil Pantalone (two). The Statesmen and Tartans traded touchdowns in the first and second halves until Hobart won the field position battle and returned a punt to the CMU 34 with approximately seven minutes in the game. On the next play, Doyle found WR Zach Schultz '10 open and Hobart had a quick touchdown to put them up 21-14. The Statesmen defense held for the remainder of the game – lead by record-setting performances by LBs Justin Hager '09 (21 tackles) and Jeff Sanders '09 (20 tackles) – with the offense taking an intentional safety with three seconds on the clock to preserve the victory.

Last weekend CMU (2-0) outlasted Grove City (0-2) by a score of 45-40. The Tartans had previously beaten Ohio Wesleyan (0-1) in Week 1 by a score of 19-7. Against the Wolverines of GCC, the Tartans ran their Wing-T to the tune of 73 plays from scrimmage - paced by 64 carries that amassed 317 rushing yards. Two CMU RBs eclipsed the 100 yard mark on the day: JR Justin Pratt (26 carries for 157 yards and three touchdowns) and SO Chris Garcia (21 carries for 107 yards and 1 touchdown as well as one 35 yard touchdown reception). The Wing-T was so effective that SR QB Phil Pantalone only attempted nine passes (he completed four for 83 yards and two touchdowns). Given the large number of running plays it's not surprising that CMU also dominated the time of possession by a wide (36:02 – 23:58) margin.

Although the CMU defense did allow 500 total yards against Grove City, they did so mostly after the Tartan offense had run out to a 31-7 lead with 12:30 to play in the third quarter.

Going into Week 3 against Hobart, here's what I know about the 2009 Tartans:

Their offense is averaging:
• 32 points per game
• 218.5 rushing yards per game
• 64 passing yards per game (based on 18 attempts in two games)
• 100% scoring success rate (including four touchdowns and 1 FG) in the red zone
The defense is averaging:
• Allowing 23.5 PPG
• 0 rushing touchdowns
• +5 in turnovers
• Great special teams coverage – only allowing .6 yard/punt return average

For Hobart (0-1) to get back on track in 2009, the Statesmen will need to have history repeat itself against the Tartans. Here are my keys to a Hobart victory on Saturday:

1. Revive the offense with a dose of PASSING – CMU has allowed an average of 247 yards passing on the season. The CMU defense is relatively tough against the run (158 yards allowed average – no rushing TDs scored) and given the struggles in the running game against Dickinson, Hobart should look to capitalize on the size (6' 4" and 240 lbs) and experience of SR TE David Degan. Last season all of Hobart's touchdowns where delivered by Doyle via airmail – two to TE Matt Duliba '09 who Degan backed up during the 2008 season. So far in 2009 CMU has allowed seven passing TDs to their opponents. Bottom line is if Hobart doesn't improve on their 65 yard passing performance from last week, the Statesmen will be 0-2

2. Avoid turnovers and control the time of possession (TOP) – Hobart failed on both parts last weekend and it cost them. The Tartans have been opportunistic on defense and have enjoyed a +5 turnover margin only two games into the season. It cannot be understated the importance of Julian's fumble in the first quarter of the Dickinson game. It ultimately led to a 14 point swing and set a precedent from which Hobart never really recovered. Although the Statesmen OL continued to open holes against the Red Devils; as the game wore on Vella became antsy and started pressing – rushing throws and generally looking to run rather than sit back in the pocket and let plays develop. When it came to TOP, although the Statesmen took nearly 10 minutes off the clock in the opening quarter, the Red Devils dominated TOP by more than six minutes for the remainder of the contest. By late in the third quarter, the Hobart defense appeared fatigued after taking a continuous pounding from the Dickinson rushing attack. What scares me most about this game is this Tartan team is equipped to do more of the same to the Statesmen if the Hobart offense continues to struggle in the red zone. Speaking of that, perhaps the most basic, but essential key to beating CMU is:

3. Convert red zone visits into points – Sounds self-explanatory but the Statesmen had a fumble, personal foul(s) and sacks kill their scoring opportunities against the Red Devils. Hobart simply cannot afford to waste any chances to come away with points against a CMU team averaging 32 PPG on offense.

I am anxiously awaiting Saturday's game and hope the Statesmen can and will rebound after last weekend's disappointing loss. Kick-off is at noon ET and accessible online at www.weos.org.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 15, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Great post, TGP.

I was a senior offensive lineman in 2007; although we lost to Hobart that day, it was a great football game, the kind of game that Division III football is all about.  Back and forth, both teams playing hard, fourth-quarter lead changes, and late drama.  A "memorable loss" if there is such a thing.  I watched last year's game here in Pittsburgh, and though it was a sloppy game, it was another competitive one.  This leads me to believe that we'll have another competitive contest in 2009.

CMU Strengths:
1. Rush Offense - as usual, the offense depends on the rushing game.  The offensive line is young, but talented.  HB Chris Garcia is very good, and FB Justin Pratt had a breakout game last week.
2. Special Teams - the CMU punter, Pattison, is as good of a punter as you'll see at this level.  High, booming, directional kicks that are hard to return.
3. Defensive Front Seven - The front seven has a lot of experience (especially the LB corps) and they've done a nice job thus far. 

CMU Weaknesses:
1. Pass Offense - poor at best.  WR Howe is tall and has good hands, but the passing game is just not a big part of this offense.
2. Pass Defense - torched by Grove City QB in the second half alst week.  However, it is worth noting that GCC lit up Dickinson to the tune of 47 points the previous week, so CMU is not alone in their struggles vs. DiDonato.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
Seems to me Dan Whalen's six TDRs and passing 7,000 career yards to be all-time Spartan passer merited a mention in the Statistical Spotlight.

Ahh well.

Spartans should continue their domination of the Yeomen.  Tough tests for the other three.

Go Spartans, Tartans, Maroons, and Bears!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on September 18, 2009, 12:59:32 PM
I agree but at least we have these DIII rankings...

CWRU  Scoring Offense  22nd   39   ppg
Tim Cowdrick  Scoring   T 3rd   30   pts

CWRU  Passing Offense  7th   376.5   ypg
Dan Whalen  Total Passing Yards  6th   740   yds
Dan Whalen  Passing Yards Per Game  7th   370   yds
Dan Whalen  Overall Passing  13th     
Zach Homyk  Total Yards Receiving  20th   232   yds
Zach Homyk  Receiving Yards per Game  34th   116   ypg

CWRU  Total Offense   13th   519   ypg
Dan Whalen  Total Offense   9th   380.5   ypg

CWRU  Passing Efficiency  4th   213.15   ypg
Dan Whalen  Passing Efficiency  3rd   218.25   ypg

CWRU  Tackles for Loss  T 8th   9.5   pg
Richard Doolin  Tackles for Loss  T 7th   2   tot
Dale English  Tackles for Loss  T 7th   2   tot

CWRU  Pass Sacks  T 4th   6   pg
Richard Doolin  Sacks  T 6th   1.5   pg

Sam Coffey  Avg FG's per Game   T 4th   1.5   ypg

CWRU  Rushing Defense  20th   51.5   yds
CWRU  Net Punting  3rd   43.67   yds

Go Case!  Go Spartans!!  Go Blue!!![/move][/b][/color]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on September 19, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
24-16 Hobart is the final in Geneva.  Another hard fought win against a good CMU team. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2009, 12:43:58 AM
Whalen had SIX TD passes in the FIRST HALF against Oberlin.

He's definitely having a Gagliardi caliber season.

Case's win streak over Oberlin, which dates all the way back to 1983, continued today.

41-6
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2009, 08:09:34 AM
Anyone know why the white unis at home?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 20, 2009, 10:03:47 AM
That THUD you hear is the UAA (Case excluded) slamming back down to Earth after going 4-0 last week.  WashU and Chicago got slammed by top-notch opponents.  CMU dropped a squeaker to Hobart for the third year in a row.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: short on September 21, 2009, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on September 20, 2009, 10:03:47 AM
That THUD you hear is the UAA (Case excluded) slamming back down to Earth after going 4-0 last week.  WashU and Chicago got slammed by top-notch opponents.  CMU dropped a squeaker to Hobart for the third year in a row.

TartanPlayer

It was a bad week for the UAA "(Case excluded)" but I would not call Wittenburg a "top-notch opponents".  Wittenburg was ranked behind Wash U in the D3 preseason poll and barely in the top half in D3. Look at the stats and you will see this was simply a bad game by Wash U.  Special teams and turn killed them not their Offense or Defense.  Plus they were playing with out both captains.  Chicago on the other hand was playing what is likely a top 10 type of team.  It was about what I was expecting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2009, 02:42:43 PM
Wittenberg was vastly undervalued by the preseason publication this year.  That's a really, really good team in Springfield.  They have some awesome players, they have a ton of experience, and they're playing with a chip.  Wittenberg is absolutely legit this year. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2009, 02:42:43 PM
Wittenberg was vastly undervalued by the preseason publication this year.  That's a really, really good team in Springfield.  They have some awesome players, they have a ton of experience, and they're playing with a chip.  Wittenberg is absolutely legit this year. 

Though it's clear Wash U was overvalued as well, having lost at home to Greenville. Too early to tell for sure how much of each that entails.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
STATISTICAL SPOTLIGHT

Dale English leads DIII with 3.33 TFL/G (and he got cheated out of one v     Kenyon)

Dan Whalen leads in Pass Eff (228.89), TD passes (5 p/g), and points responsible for (32 pts/g)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
Whalen currently has the highest pass efficiency rating of any QB at any level of college football.

There's currently a News-Herald article that talks about Whalen's chances for the Gagliardi Trophy.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/09/24/sports/nh1477436.txt
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 27, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Thoughts and musings after week 4:

3-0 Case Western is clearly the league favorite and looks like they could well be cruising towards another undefeated season.  They will not be challenged by Denison, OWU, or Hiram, and they will be favored against Wooster also.  They are likely to arrive at conference play either 7-0 or 6-1.  Projected non-con record: 7-0

3-1 Carnegie Mellon appears to be the #1 challenger right now, although the record has been compiled against so-so competition.  With winnable games against Kenyon and Allegheny, they may be 5-1 entering a tough game with Wittenberg right before conference play.  Projected non-con record: 5-2

1-2 WashU is puzzling.  A loss to Greenville in the opener is surprising; a tougher-than-expected win over Westminster (Mo.) is disappointing; a shellacking vs. Wittenberg is disheartening.  What to make of the Bears?  Unless they can beat Rhodes next week, they could be as bad as 2-5 when conference play rolls around, with toughies against Wabash and Wooster.  Projected non-con record: 3-4

1-2 Chicago is probably not better than WashU (although they did beat WashU last year), but may have a better record due to an easier schedule.  They have winnable games the next three weeks with Oberlin, Macalaster, and Denison.  I think they'll take two of three and enter conference play at .500.  Projected non-con record: 3-3

If I had to guess now, final projections:

CWRU 10-0, 3-0 UAA
CMU 7-3, 2-1 UAA
WashU 5-5, 2-1 UAA
Chicago 3-6, 0-3 UAA

Signed, X-TP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on September 28, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
I saw this I believe last year, but forgot to ask the UAA posters about it.

Why is CMU listed (in the South listing) as a South Region School on D3Football???

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2009, 12:41:39 AM
Well, that's where the NCAA has them, so it would be silly of us to list them elsewhere and confuse people.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on September 29, 2009, 10:44:24 AM
Thanks Pat.  Thought it was probably something like that.

If CMU was to make the playoffs, would they be considered a South Region team?  Just curious.

Are there other teams in DIII that are listed in one region, but play in a conference that is in another?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 29, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
I don't believe conferences and regions are associated.  For example, in the UAA, Wash U. and CMU are in the South Region, and Chicago and CWRU are in the North Region.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 29, 2009, 05:46:57 PM
bashbrother,

We made the playoffs in my junior season at CMU (2006) and we were placed in the South region - first hosting Millsaps, then traveling to Wesley.  We are technically a South region team.  I believe that jam40jeff is correct that conferences are not affiliated with regions (though in many cases all teams from one conference will be in the same region).

Remember that the committee can juggle the regional pairings once the field is chosen, so occasionally a team is moved out-of-region for seeding purposes (usually if the committee chooses two top seeds that are in the same region - this has happened a few times where two #1's came from the North or West).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Pool A conferences have a designated region, hence Allegheny is in the North with the rest of the NCAC, not in the South with the rest of Pennsylvania.

I'm planning an NCAC-UAA double header this Saturday, Gambier in the afternoon for CMU-Kenyon, then on to Granville.

Jeff, are you going to Denison or Wooster?

Something has come up that puts my trip to Gambier in doubt, but I'll definitely get to Granville.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 01, 2009, 09:17:23 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Pool A conferences have a designated region, hence Allegheny is in the North with the rest of the NCAC, not in the South with the rest of Pennsylvania.

Ahh, yes, that would make sense.  I always forget that the UAA is just a pseudo-conference in the NCAA's eyes. :)

Quote from: ADL70 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
I'm planning an NCAC-UAA double header this Saturday, Gambier in the afternoon for CMU-Kenyon, then on to Granville.

Jeff, are you going to Denison or Wooster?

I'll be at Wooster, but I unfortunately have too much going on this Saturday to make the trip down to Denison, although I'd love to.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2009, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Pool A conferences have a designated region, hence Allegheny is in the North with the rest of the NCAC, not in the South with the rest of Pennsylvania.


Not across the board. In other sports, many conferences bleed across regional lines.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 01, 2009, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2009, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Pool A conferences have a designated region, hence Allegheny is in the North with the rest of the NCAC, not in the South with the rest of Pennsylvania.


Not across the board. In other sports, many conferences bleed across regional lines.

ESPECIALLY the UAA! ;)  I believe they cover 5(?) regions in men's basketball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 03, 2009, 03:00:53 PM
What's going on in Gambier?  Carnegie Mellon is losing 14-10 to Kenyon at the start of the 4th quarter! :o
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 03, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
CMU pulls it out over Kenyon, 17-14.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 07, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
This week features a couple of good matchups for the UAA teams:

Case Western (4-0) at Wooster (3-1)

Wooster lost to Waynesburg on opening day, but has handled three mediocre opponents in the subsequent weeks.  While I expect the Spartans to win convincingly, this is probably the toughest non-conference game on CWRU's schedule.  Yes, ADL70, I saw your comment a few days ago about the win over Rochester being a decent win, and while I do think Rochy is a respectable opponent, quiote frankly they are a mediocre Liberty League team likely to finish 5-5 at best.  Back to this week's game...I expect CWRU to win about 31-14.

Carnegie Mellon (4-1) vs. Allegheny (3-1)

CMU faces one of their better opponents to date with a respectable Allegheny team.  CMU has been winning ugly against some mediocre teams (OWU, Grove City, Kenyon), but ugly W's still count as W's.  The meat of the schedule is yet to come (Witt, WashU, CWRU), but the men in plaid can't look ahead.  A win against Allegheny would set them up nicely for the aforementioned three-week stretch.  Tartans in a close one, 20-17.

Washington U (2-2) at Wabash (4-0)

The Bears have been hard to figure this season.  They run into a meatgrinder in an excellent Wabash team this weekend.  Sorry, Bears; if you couldn't stay with Witt, you ain't staying with Wabash either.  Yes, I read about the Witt game, and I know things just snowballed on you in the second quarter with a safety, kickoff return, and a couple of turnovers.  I think you'll stay closer this week.  Wabash 35-7.

Chicago (1-2) at Oberlin (0-4)

Oberlin probably isn't as bad as their record looks (three of their losses are against tough opponents: W & J, Case, and Allegheny), but this is a good chance for UChi to post a non-con win.  If the Maroons play well I think they'll win by 10-14.  They need a couple of W's against a soft middle to build some momentum for the UAA schedule.

XTP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
X-TP I posted the same score for the "fight for the fish" on the NCAC board.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 11, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Was a great win last night against Wooster .. Case 53 Wooster 32 .... some big plays made on both sides of the field kept us nervous until the 4th qt. when the offense pulled away and the D made some big stops ...
I notice Case vs Wooster was not in the list of games played yesterday for D3 football ... must have been overlooked again ....  :o
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on October 11, 2009, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: PoppaN on October 11, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Was a great win last night against Wooster .. Case 53 Wooster 32 .... some big plays made on both sides of the field kept us nervous until the 4th qt. when the offense pulled away and the D made some big stops ...
I notice Case vs Wooster was not in the list of games played yesterday for D3 football ... must have been overlooked again ....  :o


If referring to the "Scoreboard," PoppaN, it's listed.  Results for ranked teams are listed first.  ;)  Somehow believe that performance of Whelan, Cowtrick, and co. will get some love this week - that was an entertaining game to watch as an alternative to FL-LSU or UM-IOWA.  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2009, 10:41:32 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant the front page, but it is there as well, just not highlighted with a link to the game story.  It's in the paragraph just above the one that leads with Mary Hardin Baylor. 

Props to Wooster.  But the dink and dump offfense couldn't keep up with Wahlen and company.  Holter gained a lot on scrambles, but was hindered by several dropped passes, and rarely completed anything deep (despite the fact that CWRU played almost the whole game with two back-up CBs).  Flagg was quick and surpringly strong.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 11, 2009, 10:41:32 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant the front page, but it is there as well, just not highlighted with a link to the game story.

No story to link to.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2009, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 11, 2009, 10:41:32 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant the front page, but it is there as well, just not highlighted with a link to the game story.

No story to link to.

Not intended as a criticism, just to indcate that it didn't stand out by being highlighted in red.
Title: Poll
Post by: blue4now on October 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
A huge win for the Spartans over a tough Wooster squad and still no love....   In fact we dropped 2 spots.   Unbelievable.........
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 12, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: blue4now on October 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
A huge win for the Spartans over a tough Wooster squad and still no love....   In fact we dropped 2 spots.   Unbelievable.........

I think the verdict's still out on Wooster...we'll have to see how they compete with Witt and Wabash to get a better idea.

Though it doesn't make any sense to me that Wabash would pull ahead of us with a 19 point victory over Wash U, who looks to be clearly at a lower level than the Wooster team we handled by 21 points.  Obviously that's not to say scores are transitive or that Wabash would always only beat Wash U by 19 points, but if we were 10 and Wabash was 11 last week, what was it in those two scores that justified them jumping us in the rankings?

I have a feeling it was the Podcast.  Voters have the thought in their mind now, "Yeah, Case plays crappy teams, I'm not voting them that high."  It may be partially justified, but I think we'll have to wait until the playoffs to find out for sure.
Title: Re: Poll
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 12, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: blue4now on October 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
A huge win for the Spartans over a tough Wooster squad and still no love....   In fact we dropped 2 spots.   Unbelievable.........

I think the verdict's still out on Wooster...we'll have to see how they compete with Witt and Wabash to get a better idea.

Though it doesn't make any sense to me that Wabash would pull ahead of us with a 19 point victory over Wash U, who looks to be clearly at a lower level than the Wooster team we handled by 21 points.  Obviously that's not to say scores are transitive or that Wabash would always only beat Wash U by 19 points, but if we were 10 and Wabash was 11 last week, what was it in those two scores that justified them jumping us in the rankings?

I have a feeling it was the Podcast.  Voters have the thought in their mind now, "Yeah, Case plays crappy teams, I'm not voting them that high."  It may be partially justified, but I think we'll have to wait until the playoffs to find out for sure.

It definitely caught my attention when Waynesburg beat Wooster in week 1.  Whalen and Company will be a tough out in the playoffs... rankings be damned.  Just get ready for that --- I think they reach the North Region Finals this year in Alliance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 12, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 12, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: blue4now on October 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
A huge win for the Spartans over a tough Wooster squad and still no love....   In fact we dropped 2 spots.   Unbelievable.........

I think the verdict's still out on Wooster...we'll have to see how they compete with Witt and Wabash to get a better idea.

Though it doesn't make any sense to me that Wabash would pull ahead of us with a 19 point victory over Wash U, who looks to be clearly at a lower level than the Wooster team we handled by 21 points.  Obviously that's not to say scores are transitive or that Wabash would always only beat Wash U by 19 points, but if we were 10 and Wabash was 11 last week, what was it in those two scores that justified them jumping us in the rankings?

I have a feeling it was the Podcast.  Voters have the thought in their mind now, "Yeah, Case plays crappy teams, I'm not voting them that high."  It may be partially justified, but I think we'll have to wait until the playoffs to find out for sure.

It definitely caught my attention when Waynesburg beat Wooster in week 1.  Whalen and Company will be a tough out in the playoffs... rankings be damned.  Just get ready for that --- I think they reach the North Region Finals this year in Alliance.

Just a reply to get the thread title back.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 12, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
My bad .. I did not see they did it with ranked teams at top .. I just went by the TIME listed ... from early games to night games ...  ::)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 12, 2009, 06:11:18 PM
CWRU fans,

Take a deep breath and think logically.  The poll doesn't matter in Division III the way it does in Division I.  There is no BCS title game we're trying to get to here, and the poll really won't affect playoff seeds (while the poll voters are most likely the best-informed Division III fans around, I don't think that any of them are on the playoff selection committee).  CWRU's Week 6 ranking, in the big scheme of things, means very little.  What's the difference between being #12 and #10 right now?

If the Spartans are legitimate national-title contenders, they'll prove it on the field in November, and it really won't matter what they were ranked right now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 13, 2009, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on October 12, 2009, 06:11:18 PM
CWRU fans,

Take a deep breath and think logically.  The poll doesn't matter in Division III the way it does in Division I.

I didn't mean for my post to come across as I was being upset.  I just think it's interesting to (think logically and) discuss the poll and try to figure out the logic behind the placement of the teams (especially since I think this is by far the most logical poll out there).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 13, 2009, 08:54:44 AM
The irony is that after its big win, the Spartans dropped 20 points, almost one place per ballot.  Wabash stayed essentially the same, but Monmouth which also got a big win gained 12.  Meanwhile idle W&J dropped 24 points to get passed by Central which gained 25 pts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 13, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Shouldn't matter too much, since CWRU is likely to run the table, but with three Pool B bids, Case's playoff chances are excellent.
Quite frankly, Wesley is the only other Pool B team that's any good this year.

Salisbury blew their chances by dropping two early games to NC Wesleyan and Christopher Newport.
They still have to play Wesley and Hampden-Sydney, so they might be 6-4.

Huntingdon, an independent, is likely to grab the third Pool B spot at 8-2 or 9-1.
No one else in Pool B is near playoff caliber.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 14, 2009, 08:43:16 AM
Only the Regional Rankings, which will be out in a few more weeks, really men anything.

The Spartans aren't one of those teams that put up four fingers at the start of the fourth quarter, but they deserved to last Saturday.  Fourth Quarter TOP: CWRU-12:11 COW 2:49
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 14, 2009, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 14, 2009, 08:43:16 AM
Only the Regional Rankings, which will be out in a few more weeks, really men anything.

The Spartans aren't one of those teams that put up four fingers at the start of the fourth quarter, but they deserved to last Saturday.  Fourth Quarter TOP: CWRU-12:11 COW 2:49

Yes, as impressive as CWRU has been, I think the way they were able to control the ball in the 4th quarter against Wooster was maybe the most encouraging thing I have seen this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 14, 2009, 11:25:08 AM
The SOS figures, published for the first time this week, may have also played into the switch, especially for a voter who doesn't get to see much North region football and relies heavily on what's on paper to place North region teams in their ballots. 

But the earlier poster is right...the difference between 10 and 12 in this poll is negligible. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 17, 2009, 10:44:39 AM
Picks:

CWRU 34, Ohio Wesleyan 6
Wooster 27, WashU 14
Chicago 31, Macalester 14

Projected Standings after Week 7:

CWRU 6-0
CMU 4-2
Chicago 3-2
WashU 2-4
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 17, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
Tartan,

Your pick was WAAAAAY too conservative.

Case 55
OWU 7

Whalen only played in the first half, but continued to pad his numbers and cement his claim to being Division III's most dominating QB/player.

At least two teams ranked ahead of us in the d3football.com Top 25 lost today, so we should move back into the Top Ten next week.

To be honest, Wabash's loss was a HUGE shock to me, given the way that they've been dominating their opponents this season.  I can only hope that this shows that they're mortal enough to give us a chance to finally beat them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 17, 2009, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on October 17, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
Tartan,

Your pick was WAAAAAY too conservative.

Case 55
OWU 7

Whalen only played in the first half, but continued to pad his numbers and cement his claim to being Division III's most dominating QB/player.

At least two teams ranked ahead of us in the d3football.com Top 25 lost today, so we should move back into the Top Ten next week.

To be honest, Wabash's loss was a HUGE shock to me, given the way that they've been dominating their opponents this season.  I can only hope that this shows that they're mortal enough to give us a chance to finally beat them in the playoffs.

Major,

Wabash's starting QB (Hudson) was injured and didn't play today (and I understand he may be out for the next game or two as well).  Over on the NCAC forum, the Wabash fans are nobly claiming that they have no excuses and didn't lose because their QB was out, but I have a hard time believing it didn't make a big difference in the outcome of that game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 18, 2009, 12:28:02 AM
Interesting.

I was not aware of that.

I mean, it'd be hard to imagine Case running the table without Whalen.

Now I'm more concerned that Wabash could still be dang near impossible to beat in the playoffs.  How long is their QB out for?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 18, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
Hudson has a pneumothorax, so I don't think anyone (at least around here) knows how serious it is or how long he will be out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 18, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on October 18, 2009, 12:28:02 AM

Now I'm more concerned that Wabash could still be dang near impossible to beat in the playoffs.

You also may want to consider that Wittenberg might have a say in this.  Witt controls the NCAC's Pool A berth now.  I think that Wabash should grab a Pool C if they run the table to finish 9-1, but it's not a guarantee.

Either team would provide a stern test for CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2009, 11:23:50 PM
Spartans stay put in the poll: same place, same # of points.  UMHB stays in the top 10 at 8 (above # 15 Mississippi College) and Otterbein jumps to #10.

Meanwhile Saturday's wind hurt Whalen's Comp% and two receivers were stopped just short of the goal line so only 1 td pass.  His rating dips below 200 for the first time, but he stays in first, just ahead of Mount Union's Kurt Rocco.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on October 19, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
Congrats to Case's senior class (2006-09), who became the all-time winningest class in school history on Saturday. Their 4 year mark in now 32-7.  They passed the seniors from 1983-86, who were 31-4-1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
This year's seniors have the most wins, but Chapman's boys will still have the highest winning percentage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on October 20, 2009, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 19, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
This year's seniors have the most wins, but Chapman's boys will still have the highest winning percentage.

Well the current Junior Class will have something to say about that (although they will have to do it without Whalen).  They are currently .931 (27-2) compared to the 1983-86 Class with .875 (31-4-1)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2009, 08:19:59 AM
Yes, you beat me to posting that.  Even with Whalen gone I give them a very good chance to take the lead in both wins and win percentage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 20, 2009, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 19, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
This year's seniors have the most wins, but Chapman's boys will still have the highest winning percentage.

If you look at regular season wins only, then the two senior classes may be very close.  If we win out, this senior class will be 35-5 in the regular season, an 87.5% winning percentage.  If you count the tie as a 1/2 win, 1/2 loss (as most winning percentage calculations do), then 31-4-1 is 31.5/36, also an 87.5% winning percentage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on October 20, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Correct but the key is most wins in a 4 yr period not winning pct
Prob a better indicator would be wins over 3 yrs since freshman didnt see the field in the 80's. 

Both teams deserve their due with the high academic demands they've handled.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on October 20, 2009, 01:29:19 PM
Any of the Wash U, CMU, and Chicago people have the stat for most wins in a 4-year period for their schools?  Would be interesting to compare.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 20, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on October 20, 2009, 01:29:19 PM
Any of the Wash U, CMU, and Chicago people

still post on here (other than TartanPlayer)?  This is feeling more and more like the CWRU Board instead of the UAA Board (kind of like how the OAC Board is really just the MUC Board).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 20, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: blue4now on October 20, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Prob a better indicator would be wins over 3 yrs since freshman didnt see the field in the 80's. 

Over the past 3 years I doubt many teams can beat our regular season winning percentage.  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on October 20, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: blue4now on October 20, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
since freshman didnt see the field in the 80's. 

Alot of freshman played back in the early 80's:

QB Fred DiSanto was a 4-year starter at QB (in fact, he broke the school record for most passing yards in a season his freshman year, and improved on that each of his next 3 years: 1981-884, 1982-1024, 1983-1127, 1984-1407)

WR Tom Coniglio was a 4-time all conference pick and in his first game as a freshman in 1980, he set school records for receptions and receiving yards in a game that would stand until 2002 (receptions) and 1997 (yards).  He led the team in receiving as a freshman.

TE Dave Stuczynski led the team in receptions (25) and yards (507) for an amazing 20.3 average (for a TE) per catch as a freshman in 1982.

DB Ron Stepanovic was a 4-time all-conference (2-Time PAC 1982, 1983 and 2-Time NCAC 1984, 1985) as well as the only 4-Time All-American in school history.

LB Fred Manley led the team in tackles in 1981 with 113 as a freshman.

I actually think many freshman played in the early 80's as they rapidly progressed from a team that went 0-9 in 1980 and 1981, to a team that from 1982-1986 went 5-3, 8-1, 9-0, 7-2 and 7-1-1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 20, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on October 20, 2009, 01:29:19 PM
Any of the Wash U, CMU, and Chicago people

still post on here (other than TartanPlayer)?  This is feeling more and more like the CWRU Board instead of the UAA Board (kind of like how the OAC Board is really just the MUC Board).

It's the CWRU board + me.  There was a CMU dad who posted sometimes last year, but his son quit the team.  Never been much of a WashU or Chicago presence on the boards, at least since I've been playing/reading.

As far as 4-year record: my senior class (2004-07 seasons) went 6-4, 5-5, 11-1, 7-4 for a total of 29-14.

That would be the best in the last 15 years or so, I believe, since CMU has been posting mostly 6 or 7 win seasons since the early 90s.  I am fairly certain that sometime in the 70s CMU had a better stretch.  When our current head coach (Rich Lackner) was a player, the team made two consecutive playoff appearances).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on October 20, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
Spartan81  thank you for the update and all of the player info. 

Some of the old stats and names are harder to get at.  I couldnt remember when the NCAA allowed freshman participation

Cowdrick and Homyk could challenge the TD mark but thtas about it.  Cowdrick had a chance at season yards and rec in 2007 before he broke his leg in week 9.

This current group is too balanced and talented for any one player to distance themselves from the rest.  The WR's and RB's are outstanding and each player combination brings match up problems for any D coordinator.  Arguably he best WR goup in D III football.

Cowdrick may end up with 60 plus rec and a career in the neighborhood of 165 which would still put him far short of Kellerig's 202.  His 13 games lost to injury sealed his chances. Homyk and Nicely will have a shot next year to make some record noise of their own with Cowdrick, Sutca and Kolesar graduating.  There are talented underclassman waiting in the wings but they will be Baum's go-to guys to start.[/color]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
Saturday is homecoming in The Circle with Hiram the opponent.  It could also be called the (Steve) Belichick Bowl.  Bill's Dad played at WRU and coached at Hiram.

And the game will be on STO early Sunday at 1am and again at noon
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
CWRU (6-0) vs. Hiram (0-6)

Hiram had made some progress last year.  Looks like they're back to square one.  CWRU 55-0.  And it's not that close.

Carnegie Mellon (4-2) at Wittenberg (6-0)

Toughie for the Tartans.  Hopefully Witt's still reading their press clippings after beating Wabash last week.  If the Tartans can catch'em napping early and get a score or two...maybe there's a chance.  Come on, boys.  CMU 14-10.

Chicago (3-2) vs. Denison (2-4)

Pretty even matchup here.  Maroons 17-14.

WashU (2-4) at Ohio Wesleyan (1-5)

Bears have played well the last three weeks against tough opponents.  Breakthrough week here.  WashU 27-7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2009, 09:45:11 PM
Whalen's short stint against Hiram got his QB Rating back above 200.  But he was edged out of first place by Mount Union's Kurt Rocco, despite Rocco's leading Whalen in only one category, yards per attempt.

Whalen is 7th in total offense and 1st in points resposible for. 

Chicago found its passing game against Denison, setting school records for TD passes and passing yards.  Should the Spartans be scared ?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pxs155 on October 28, 2009, 01:35:13 PM
The Spartans probably do not have to be scared; team fear never has reasoning in football.  Whalen and the offense have been working on building up a number of approaches in the past few games.  We have seen heavy passing and various levels of the running game.  Scoring should not be an issue.  In terms of the defense, as the weather has gotten colder, keeping games low-scoring is easier, not to mention that the Spartans may be more motivated to keep up their records of holding opponents to little yardage and few or no scores.  I know this sounds like I am questioning the spirit of the Maroons, but to some extent, the reality is that CWRU has more to play for in this game.  Both teams will give it their all, that is for sure, but the Spartans are just too strong right now for even a newly rejuvinated Chicago group.  It'll be competitive, but definitely not too close.  Good luck to both squads.

CWRU, 44-21

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"Losing a regular season game is unacceptable." ~DW
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2009, 08:13:59 PM
Welcome 155

I used the word "scared" as a play on Saturday being Halloween.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pxs155 on October 31, 2009, 06:04:27 PM
Ha, missed the obvious there.  Anyway, let's see what happens with the rankings this week.  We're secure as long as we keep winning, but what Spartans fan wouldn't like to see the boys listed even a tad higher for the nation to see?  I see three upsets so far at the odd numbers: losses of #11, #9, & #7.  Things are getting exciting in the North, as well as the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2009, 06:30:54 PM
Pair of surprisingly good games to start UAA play.  CMU down for much of the game but capitalizes on a few key turnovers to steal a win.  CWRU still looks like a juggernaut, but Chicago gave'em a little more than they probably bargained for.

CWRU 8-0, 1-0
CMU 5-3, 1-0
Chicago 4-3, 0-1
WashU 3-5, 0-1

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MUCheats on October 31, 2009, 06:47:36 PM
How come Rochester doesn't play football in the UAA?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on October 31, 2009, 08:08:20 PM
Quote from: joelmama on September 14, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
Big kick return for a speedy freshman from Chicago setting up a key Score.  Dee Brizzolara from Aurora Ohio looks like he is making an impact on special teams and as a reciever.
Although they didn't pull it out Brizzolara is really showing the UAA and NCAC what he has.  That is a good performance so far this year for a freshman.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2009, 09:08:06 PM
CarrollStreaks,

I was recruited by both CMU and Rochester in 2003, the year before Rochy left the UAA (in football only).  At the time the Rochester coaches knew they were leaving the UAA for the Liberty League; if I remember correctly, there were two reasons:

1) the Liberty League schools are all very close, making it easier to travel to conference games
2) the LL has an automatic playoff berth
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2009, 09:43:40 PM
Props to the Maroons for giving Spartan fans a scare.  Ironically the score was the same as last year. Very off game for Whalen, but give credit to the Chicago D which seemed to have had the best coverge faced all year.  The Windy City lived up to its reputation as well.

Joel, when I saw Brizzolara on the Chicago roster I thought: "One that got away."  You didn't mention his 90 yard TD, which instantly wiped out CWRU's field position advantage.  Not sure what return you mean.   Brizzolara's longest was only 19 yds and was followed by an interception.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 01, 2009, 08:02:50 AM
Chicago played great "D" .. mainly because their D coordinator(Kaufman) came from Case ... he knows CWRU offense and did a good job of preparing the Maroons for Case.
But Case utilized other parts of the offense to get the win ... running game and determination won this one ...

Case finally got some ink on front page of D3 ... but you have to look all the way to the bottom to see it ..

QuoteWesley, Case Western Reserve and Huntingdon, the three top Pool B playoff candidates, each won

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Monsters of the Midway on November 01, 2009, 08:49:10 AM
Actually Coach Kauffman left early summer to be the scout team coach at Miss St. He was replaced by Coach Sweeney who spent the last 2 seasons as head coach at MacMurray College. Chicago also brought in a new LB coach, Dan Gritti. He joined the staff from Middleburry College. Both coaches have done a real nice job this year for the Maroons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 01, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
oh! .. my bad .. I was not aware of that change ... thanks for the update ...  was a great game.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Monsters of the Midway on November 01, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
We are hoping that Chicago can go 2-0 the rest of the way. If we play like we did vs Case....we might have a shot to accomplish that goal.

I don't see anyone tripping up Case.....they just have too many weapons. Congrats on a hard fought win.

Brizzolara was a great find for Chicago.....from what I hear, the kid was not heavily recruited. He came from a HS that mainly runs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 01, 2009, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: Monsters of the Midway on November 01, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
We are hoping that Chicago can go 2-0 the rest of the way. If we play like we did vs Case....we might have a shot to accomplish that goal.

I don't see anyone tripping up Case.....they just have too many weapons. Congrats on a hard fought win.

Brizzolara was a great find for Chicago.....from what I hear, the kid was not heavily recruited. He came from a HS that mainly runs.

I saw him play a few times in high school.  He was pretty highly touted as a speedy receiver on an Aurora team that won the D3 state title last year.  They threw the ball more than most Aurora teams.  I was hoping he'd end up at CWRU, but I'm not sure whether or not they were recruiting him or what factored into his decision to go to Chicago.  Either way, you guys sure ended up gaining a valuable asset for the next 4 years.

Also, ADL70, joelmama was quoting himself from earlier this year when he mentioned the long return for a TD.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2009, 10:22:44 AM
To the extent that football entered into Brizzolara's college choice, the numbers of returning WRs at CWRU may have deterred him from becoming a Spartan.

Poppa N, Angelo Mirando is also on the MSU staff.  The new HC came from Florida where Angelo was a GA.  But Kaufman may have given enough info last year.  The score last year was identical to this year's.

Otterbein loss should put the Spartans at #3 in the North.  If either Allegheny or Wooster can beat Wittenberg and CWRU wins out, then a second round game would be in Cleveland as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pumkinattack on November 01, 2009, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on October 31, 2009, 09:08:06 PM
CarrollStreaks,

I was recruited by both CMU and Rochester in 2003, the year before Rochy left the UAA (in football only).  At the time the Rochester coaches knew they were leaving the UAA for the Liberty League; if I remember correctly, there were two reasons:

1) the Liberty League schools are all very close, making it easier to travel to conference games
2) the LL has an automatic playoff berth

Technically, Rochester had dual conference affiliation with the Liberty League predecessor the UCAA (Rochester, Hobart, St. Lawrence, Union and RPI) and has long histories with all those schools.  So they sort of didn't leave the UAA for the LL, but had to choose one of their two affiliations and the geographic beneifts, history (for example Hobart has played them over 100 times) and AQ made the choice easy (vs. looking to fill out the schedule and more travel)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 02, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
Some thoughts on the game...   What was supposed to be 50 and sunny initially started with some light rain, cold and 40 mph winds which never subsided.  It became a partly sunny day but remained extremely cold windy.  On top of the wind it changed directions all the time.

The Maroons came to play as we expected.  The kept the running game in check for the most part until latter in the game. This placed more pressure on our passing game in less than favorable conditions.  Whalen was pressured again more than we'd like to see.  The D ran stunts and disguised coverages better than we have seen to this point.  When Whaled had time we it open receivers.  When he didn't we took a sack or forced things when we shouldn't have.

Chicago has a very athletic D and ran well with our wr's.  It appeared we tried to stay with a vertical passing game in spite of the wind.  The conditions hampered both teams wr's as several players dropped balls we have seen them make before.  At least 8 I can remember.  We'd gaina couple first downs and then become stagnant.

On the other side, the Maroons had 2 big pass plays, one to Brezzalara from Aurora on a 15 yd fly that our SS missed the int attempt and another on a blitz and blown coverage to Wolf on another alley. Other than that they hit 5 yd outs to move the chains while occasionally trying deep posts into double coverage.

On special teams Coffey kicked well while the Maroons kicked struggled w extra points and distance.  Uncharacteristically Whalen had one punt blocked and a shank.  The coverage teams were solid overall.

In closing, both O/D lines rose to the challenge and took control of the game, overcoming a stiff challenge from a very talented and improving Maroon squad.

Most units will only receive 'C' ratings at best this week which should kick up the intensity even more for CMU.

Go Case!  Go Spartans!!  Go Blue!!!


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: blue4now on November 02, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
Some thoughts on the game...   What was supposed to be 50 and sunny initially started with some light rain, cold and 40 mph winds which never subsided.  It became a partly sunny day but remained extremely cold windy.  On top of the wind it changed directions all the time.

The Maroons came to play as we expected.  The kept the running game in check for the most part until latter in the game. This placed more pressure on our passing game in less than favorable conditions.  Whalen was pressured again more than we'd like to see.  The D ran stunts and disguised coverages better than we have seen to this point.  When Whaled had time we it open receivers.  When he didn't we took a sack or forced things when we shouldn't have.

Chicago has a very athletic D and ran well with our wr's.  It appeared we tried to stay with a vertical passing game in spite of the wind.  The conditions hampered both teams wr's as several players dropped balls we have seen them make before.  At least 8 I can remember.  We'd gaina couple first downs and then become stagnant.

On the other side, the Maroons had 2 big pass plays, one to Brezzalara from Aurora on a 15 yd fly that our SS missed the int attempt and another on a blitz and blown coverage to Wolf on another alley. Other than that they hit 5 yd outs to move the chains while occasionally trying deep posts into double coverage.

On special teams Coffey kicked well while the Maroons kicked struggled w extra points and distance.  Uncharacteristically Whalen had one punt blocked and a shank.  The coverage teams were solid overall.

In closing, both O/D lines rose to the challenge and took control of the game, overcoming a stiff challenge from a very talented and improving Maroon squad.

Most units will only receive 'C' ratings at best this week which should kick up the intensity even more for CMU.

Go Case!  Go Spartans!!  Go Blue!!!




How far can the Spartans go in this year's playoffs?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pxs155 on November 04, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
That's the question of the year for CWRU, isn't it?  It depends on how they finish out the regular season, whether or not key players can stay healthy (from injury or... H1N1, &c.), and obviously what kind of team(s) they will be up against.  We have seen the Spartans capable of maintaining their offensive strength even in their worst games, but a few teams have scored a few more times than a championship-calibur team would be comfortable with.  If the Spartans seriously lock down and continue to improve the chemistry and the focus down the stretch, I would guess two or maybe even three wins in the playoffs are possible; still, you never know...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 04, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
i agree.  it starts w line play and we need to be healthy across the board.  the o has been running on high gear for 3 yrs now.  this d can be as good as those past but 2 key performers were out last week which hurt.

the o line must continue to pound the ground game and block better for whalen.  he has been on the run more than usual (although thats part of his game) and hasnt had the time to read the d as he would like. this must improve as the weather gets worse.

illness and injury are part of the game and every team has those type of loses. they are only magnified against better teams. chicago is vastly improved team and should not be taken lightly by anyone.  why it took them till week 9 to find a solid passing game (the brezzolara and wolf combo) is puzzling.

this may not come across the way it should but inspite of the points the spartans o has produced the last 3 weeks this team is not playing up to their capabilities.  not complaining when you avg 50+ a game but the passing game and offensive flow overall hasnt been as sharp.  it does tell you how far this team has come talent wise to make an assessment as this.

ideally, 2 home games and then a huge road game.  it is quite possible, but so could a first round loss against a talented opp who matches up well if they are careful.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 04, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Raider 68,

I'm hoping that this season is the year that we finally break our "Wabash Curse."

They've ended our playoff runs each of the last two seasons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
The Spartans remained ranked for in region as they were jumped by Mount St. Joseph which has a higher OWP.  Only one in region team CWRU has played won last week.  MSJ has a challenge yet in Thomas More so there is still a good chance to finish as one of only three unbeaten teams in the North, which would keep a matchup with #1 seed in the third playoff game not the second.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 04, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Raider 68,

I'm hoping that this season is the year that we finally break our "Wabash Curse."

They've ended our playoff runs each of the last two season.

This year, I think the Spartans could not face Wabash at least for the first game. It  could depend how the pool bids go given the number
of 1-loss teams.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 05, 2009, 07:58:06 AM
Looking at the Regional Ranking compared to the D3 Top-25, you notice that the #1 team in the East region (Alfred) is ranked 25th.  The only other East region team ranked in the top 25 is #3 Delaware Valley at 20th.  This would lead me to think there will be some cross region shuffling again this year with a North or South Region team heading East, and possibly a West region team heading to the North.  Currently the West reion has 6 of the top 10 teams in the D3 poll.  So that is a strong possiblilty.

Also congrats to Whalen for tallying his 100th career TD (81 passing, 19 rushing). 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 05, 2009, 10:55:28 AM
Think you're right, Spartan 81.  I'd expect to see a North Region team sent to the East as the #1 seed.  I think that Del Val is probably the best team in the 'true' East region, but they won't get the top seed because of their loss to Wesley (which counts as an in-region loss because Wesley is within 200 miles, although Wesley is not in the East).

MUC to the East as #1 seed makes sense.  There are probably six or seven teams in the North that would be threats to win the East (it wasn't always like this, but the East is a bit down recently, and the North has a bunch of very strong teams).  A West team may also nose their way into the North bracket.

I personally love the idea of MUC as #1 in the East, St. John's or UWW as #1 in the North, STJ/UWW #1 in the West, and Wesley #1 in the South.  We'll see.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2009, 09:07:49 PM
In honor of Ian Hunter and WMMS:

CLEVELAND ROCKS!!!   PITTSBURGH SUCKS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 07, 2009, 05:44:54 PM
Case won the "Academic Bowl" today 34-17 over CMU.

Dan Whalen rebounded today, having a MONSTER game:

He 31-of-41 for 386 yds and three passing TDs, with zero interceptions.  He also added a rushing touchdown.  He has thrown for 2,810 yards and 31 TDs this season.  His QB rating should shoot through the roof after today!

There's no doubt in my mind that he deserves to be this season's Gagliardi Award winner.

One can only hope that justice will be done!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 07, 2009, 07:48:23 PM
In fact Whalen's efficiency dropped ever so slightly from 184.9 to 184.0.  Mt Union's Kurt Rocco continues to lead with a 203 rating.  He had 4 TD pases this week on only 24 attempts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: pxs155 on November 09, 2009, 09:44:12 AM
In preparing for their all-but obvious playoff appearance, what kind of offense should CWRU work most on in this last regular season game?  Could any new approaches be used on special teams or defense if the Spartans take a strong early lead?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 09, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
the O is fine.  why change anything that's been working so well??   more concerned about stopping the run.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2009, 09:05:48 PM
I wouldn't worry about the O.  With the good weather forecast expect 5 TDs.  D has given up over 400 yds each of the last two weeks, that would be the only concern.  I'm wondering if Bott and Brown have been 100%? 

Win to host--lose and bus.

Root for TMC to win the Bridge Bowl over MSJ to set up a #3 seed, unless TMC ends up in the same bracket.

I would love to see the bracket the gurus have posted:


UW-Whitewater Bracket (seeded No. 2)
1. UW-Whitewater
2. Wittenberg
3. Case Western Reserve (Pool B)
4. Illinois Wesleyan
5. Wabash (Pool C)
6. Trine
7. Ohio Northern (Pool C)
8. DePauw

Round 1, host another rebuilt program, Trine (also my step-brother's alma mater).  Then a potential game in my old hometown against the team I grew up with, Wittenberg (can they find the Bill Edwards Trophy?)  And where, in 1969, I saw the first Stagg Bowl between Wittenberg and William Jewell.  It was then a regional colege-division game.  Only drawback the week 3 game wouldn't be in Alliance.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on November 12, 2009, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 04, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Raider 68,

I'm hoping that this season is the year that we finally break our "Wabash Curse."

They've ended our playoff runs each of the last two seasons.
Major: as the "Boy Emperor" said, "bring em on!" of course Wabash has some serious business to take care of before they are in the mix and even have to worry about it. If it doesn't happen, best of fortune to the Spartans. Beat the hell out of DePauw, if it comes to that.
     I hope everything is well with you in the ROK and your transporting hand over fist. I was only an artillery forward observer in a light infantry brigade so I walked!         Wab1964- 1LT. FA USAR
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
It has been confirmed that in addition to Bott and Brown, English and Mey have been playing less than 10%.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BetterRed on November 14, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
I'm watching the Washu - Case game.  Case looks good no doubt.  I have a question regarding their schedule.  Why don't they play Wabash or Wittenburg during the regular season?  Their schedule seems a little light given the fact that there are more talented teams to play in the NCAC-UAA.  If they are this good, why don't they take on the challenge?  Are they worried about the playoff berth if they don't go undefeated? 

I understand this may be a provocative set of questions, but I mean no disrespect.  I'd like to hear some of your thoughts


 

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 14, 2009, 05:57:34 PM
Better Red,

I believe the NCAC-UAA games for the first two seasons in the scheduling agreement (2008 and 2009) were preset when the plan was first devised.  The plan was first hatched/announced in 2006, before Case even had its first undefeated season, let along its third straight.  So at the time the schedule was devised, nobody would have anticipated CWRU as the team that needed a challenge from the NCAC - that designation was far more likely to go to WashU or CMU at that time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2009, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 04, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Raider 68,

I'm hoping that this season is the year that we finally break our "Wabash Curse."

They've ended our playoff runs each of the last two seasons.

We'll find out tomorrow if you get your chance - it just might happen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2009, 10:27:09 PM
I think Wabash will likely be a 5 seed and go to IWU, unless there is a lot of inter-region movement.  Spartans would host Trine as previously proposed.

As far as the schedule goes, what I have heard is that the schools have little or no say in who they play in the NCAC-UAA schedule.  At least as far as the games within the NCAC, I know that less strong teams get a weaker schedule.  If the same philosophy carried over to the inter-league games, the Bears would get a tougher schedule based on their UAA dominance 2001-2004.  CWRU's schedule gets tougher next year as John Carroll and Allegheny replace Ohio Wesleyan and Kenyon.  I wish Hiram had been replaced instead.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2009, 11:57:41 PM
Now the gurus are predicting the re-rematch in Cleveland.  Third times a charm?

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/14/final-2009-playoff-projection/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Trine, then Witt-MSJ winner
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 15, 2009, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 15, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Trine, then Witt-MSJ winner

About as good a route as you could want - no cakewalks, but all winnable games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2009, 10:12:27 PM
Per my earlier post, I'm quite pleased.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 16, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
So do we know much about Trine?  What are their strengths and weaknesses?  Do they provide any matchup problems for us?  Are they similar to anyone else we have played?  Will our stadium be packed with Hoosiers?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 16, 2009, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on November 16, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
So do we know much about Trine?  What are their strengths and weaknesses?  Do they provide any matchup problems for us?  Are they similar to anyone else we have played?  Will our stadium be packed with Hoosiers?

jam40jeff,

Ask Former3db on the MIAA board, he knows Trine and former player at Hope (very knowledgeable).

From what I know of Trine and the MIAA, they are well coached, won the MIAA the last two years, are a balance team, so CWRU should not take
them too lightly!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 17, 2009, 09:43:35 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 16, 2009, 04:12:02 PM


Ask Former3db on the MIAA board, he knows Trine and former player at Hope (very knowledgeable).


Formerd3db is the guy to talk to about most things in the MIAA, but as a former Trine player myself, I can provide some insight.  Trine's offense is very balanced and explosive. They have a great running game with a mobile quarterback and a mix of small fast running backs, and big strong full backs.  They dont utilize the passing game as much as they could, but they pick their spots and use it well.  The quarter back is very efficient and accurate.  If this game turns into a shootout, the passing game can be dangerous.

The defense is a little undersized, but very athletic.  They can get pressure with the front three, leaving the linebackers to make plays in the passing game.  The numbers are slightly misleading as they struggled early in the year, and have since made personel canges and have been playing much better as a unit.

Their special teams have been solid as they have one of the better kickers in the country.  He has a huge leg, but struggles with accuracy at times. You can expect the stands to be packed as the fans travel very well.

This is an up and coming program that has lost only 1 regular season game in the last two years, that coming this year at Franklin.  This was a one point loss in a game where the best running back missed the game due to a death in the family.  I am very excied about this match up and think it will be a very good game. 

Any thoughts about the game and  any information on Case? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 17, 2009, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 17, 2009, 09:43:35 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 16, 2009, 04:12:02 PM


Ask Former3db on the MIAA board, he knows Trine and former player at Hope (very knowledgeable).


Formerd3db is the guy to talk to about most things in the MIAA, but as a former Trine player myself, I can provide some insight.  Trine's offense is very balanced and explosive. They have a great running game with a mobile quarterback and a mix of small fast running backs, and big strong full backs.  They dont utilize the passing game as much as they could, but they pick their spots and use it well.  The quarter back is very efficient and accurate.  If this game turns into a shootout, the passing game can be dangerous.

The defense is a little undersized, but very athletic.  They can get pressure with the front three, leaving the linebackers to make plays in the passing game.  The numbers are slightly misleading as they struggled early in the year, and have since made personel canges and have been playing much better as a unit.

Their special teams have been solid as they have one of the better kickers in the country.  He has a huge leg, but struggles with accuracy at times. You can expect the stands to be packed as the fans travel very well.

This is an up and coming program that has lost only 1 regular season game in the last two years, that coming this year at Franklin.  This was a one point loss in a game where the best running back missed the game due to a death in the family.  I am very excied about this match up and think it will be a very good game. 

Any thoughts about the game and  any information on Case? 

BoredatWork56,

Very Good analysis!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 17, 2009, 09:43:35 AM
Trine's offense is very balanced and explosive. They have a great running game with a mobile quarterback and a mix of small fast running backs, and big strong full backs.  They dont utilize the passing game as much as they could, but they pick their spots and use it well.  The quarter back is very efficient and accurate.  If this game turns into a shootout, the passing game can be dangerous.

Trine does NOT want this to turn into a whose-qb-can-improvise-best type of shootout.  I think there are a number of ways that Trine can win this game, but that isn't one of them.  Whalen is far too good for that. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OhioFootball00 on November 17, 2009, 08:12:28 PM
Agreed...heres a synopsis on CWRU

Offense

Backs/Receivers- very deep, four running backs are rotated fairly evenly and each have their own strengths, receivers are very reliable and run great routes each can be a deep threat

QB- Gagliardi Finalist last year, multiple time offensive mvp of uaa, best asset may be his elusiveness as he never gets tackled one on one, very accurate, hard to believe there is a better running/passing quarterback in the country

Line- left side is very solid, right side is inexperienced but has performed well this year, line is built quick and athletic and are very good runners

Defense

Line- all four are very fast and athletic, they make it difficult for the line to get to get to the backers, number 56 cannot be blocked by just one man the whole game

Backers- Middle linebacker may be best you have seen this year, not the biggest but very athletic and has very good instincts, olbs are very sound players

Dbs- One AFCA preseason all american at corner, he rarely gets tested because he will pick it off, the other dbs have combined for 11 ints this year and are rarely out of position

Special Teams

Kicker- very accurate, was schools all time field goals made leader by end of sophomore year, has big leg and can kickoff into the endzone consistently

Punter- Is the QB, at times has a booming leg, a one time would have been leading the country in yards per punt if he had enough punts to qualify

also i look forward to continue to post and look forward to some good debates
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Since I am a Titan, we'll try to make you less glad for not going to Cleveland! :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Since I am a Titan, we'll try to make you less glad for not going to Cleveland! :D

Mr.Ypsi...As you say...."we'll try"

WABASH will MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Since I am a Titan, we'll try to make you less glad for not going to Cleveland! :D

Frankly Mr. Ypsi I am still experiencing some level of disappointment. I have been hoping for several years to get the matchup with NCC. I have been following Thorne and Swiders programs for years and have seen a few games along the way. This year I saw Wheaton play 3 times and saw North Central play once. NCC I believe would have won the conference this year but for the many losses due to injury...alas this is football. I also predicted IWU to beat Wheaton in the days just before your game on the NCAC board. I am looking forward to a great game with your Titans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Since I am a Titan, we'll try to make you less glad for not going to Cleveland! :D

Mr.Ypsi...As you say...."we'll try"

WABASH will MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

Well, I wanted to avoid any 'trash talking' about an NCAC-CCIW game on the UAA board!

I'd offer a bet similar to one in the CCIW where a poster ended up having to post as "Redman04 is my Daddy" for a year, but, just in case of some inexplicable cosmic calamity, my posting as "DadofBashWarrior is my Daddy" might traumatize your son! ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 17, 2009, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 17, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
I'm very intrigued by Whalen.  Am I correct that he could be this year's Chad Rupp - i.e., take a good, but not great, team and carry them a couple of rounds further than anyone could reasonably have predicted?

That's a great comparison.  Having seen both Rupp and Whalen, I'd say that Rupp is probably the better passer of the two, but Whalen is just so tough to stop.  Given CWRU's draw, regional finalist certainly isn't out of the question.

Well said Wally...

I am just glad I don't have to make the trip to Cleveland a third year in a row.

Best of luck to CWRU in the playoffs...Dan Whalen was something else to see the last two years

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Since I am a Titan, we'll try to make you less glad for not going to Cleveland! :D

Frankly Mr. Ypsi I am still experiencing some level of disappointment. I have been hoping for several years to get the matchup with NCC. I have been following Thorne and Swiders programs for years and have seen a few games along the way. This year I saw Wheaton play 3 times and saw North Central play once. NCC I believe would have won the conference this year but for the many losses due to injury...alas this is football. I also predicted IWU to beat Wheaton in the days just before your game on the NCAC board. I am looking forward to a great game with your Titans.

Quite frankly, I agree with you about NCC - I don't think we could have beaten a fully healthy Cardinal squad.  On the other hand, if not for a completely unexplainable loss to Millikin (who we totally dominated everywhere but the one place that counts - the scoreboard), we'd probably currently be ranked about #4 in the country (and probably would have kept UWW out of the 'North').  I agree that Saturday should be a great game - but I don't think you can beat our defense (though if we need anything from our kicker, we are dead meat).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2009, 08:17:08 AM
For all you Spartans looking to size up the Trine team, here are the results from the MIAA all conference selections

QB - First Team, Offensive MVP
RB - First Team
TE - First Team
OL - 2 First Team, 2 Second Team
WR - 2 Second Team
DE - First Team
LB - First Team, Second Team
DB - First Team, Second Team
K - First Team
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
Lots of promo for tomorrow's game.

CWRU had highlights played on the selection show (only three other teams did so).  The both Trine and CWRU featured on the D3football.com front page.

On the Pick-Em's boards CWRU has at least a 4-1 edge over Trine even on the boards that have them giving 3 points.

This year's All-UAA team isn't out yet, but last year nine of this year's players were All-UAA first team (not mentioning second teamers since it's only a four team conference).

Each team will be meeting its toughest test of the year, as it should be in the playoffs.

I'm sure the Spartans' fifteen seniors aren't ready for their careers to end, but Trine will have something to say about it.

Looks like decent late November weather in Cleveland.

Hope Trine travels well.  Wish my step-brother (a Trine grad) cared about the game.

Here's to a great game for both teams!

CWRU 28 Trine 24
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 20, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
Should be a good one.

I predict Case by a TD.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on November 20, 2009, 03:31:27 PM
First post......been reading for about a year and a half now. CWRU will advance as far as the D allows it to.  I believe it will be a high scoring game tomorrow.  Case needs to have the O in high gear and force Trine to play the same way.  45-30 Case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 20, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
S/B a tough game but I'm sure the whole OAC board is pulling for Case
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 21, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
Ugh!

Our defense decided not to show up today!

Anyway, congrats to Trine.  They have a tremendous offense.  Best of luck to them the rest of the way!

Next year is definitely going to be a rebuilding one.  If Coach D can get us back to the NCAAs next season without Whalen and his Senior buddies, then he definitely deserves to be named Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 21, 2009, 06:26:35 PM
Welcome Case04
Quote from: Case04 on November 20, 2009, 03:31:27 PM
CWRU will advance as far as the D allows it to.  

Truer words were never spoken, as we found out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on November 21, 2009, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 21, 2009, 06:26:35 PM
Welcomr Case04
Quote from: Case04 on November 20, 2009, 03:31:27 PM
CWRU will advance as far as the D allows it to.  

Truer words were never spoken, as we found out.

The defense today played pretty much like all season long.....way too many yards from teams like Denison, Mellon, Chicago to name a few. Way too many arm/missed tackles. Maybe I'm confused, but don't DE's look to contain before chasing the ball?  Matched against an offense like Trine's brought together a perfect storm....I thought the major turning point was the Trine turnover which led to a Case punt, then the Whalen fumble which turned to a quick TD for Trine. Being up 14-0 I was ready to trade TD'S with Trine.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
There was a play where one of the DE-s surrender contain and the Trine QB rolled out for about 10 yds.  The coaches pulled him out for the next couple of plays.

I know that a number of players on D have being playing hurt when they weren't sitting out.  I wonder if there is thinking to move Watson to LB with the loss of Brown and the elder Sasala.  The linemen all return, but there will be five among the linebackers/secondary to replace.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on November 22, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 22, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
There was a play where one of the DE-s surrender contain and the Trine QB rolled out for about 10 yds.  The coaches pulled him out for the next couple of plays.

I know that a number of players on D have being playing hurt when they weren't sitting out.  I wonder if there is thinking to move Watson to LB with the loss of Brown and the elder Sasala.  The linemen all return, but there will be five among the linebackers/secondary to replace.

I do remember that particular play, but there was numerous losses of containment all first half. I'm just wondering if now might be the time to revamp the defensive scheme to one that fits to the personnel instead of making the personnel fit the scheme. Just a thought.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
The arrival of Dale English prompted the coaches to put the 4-man line in along with the 3-man front.  Each was used about equally throught both seasons.

You're right though that Trine's QB was able to roll out and throw with no pressure.

The Youngstown State HC job is open.  Could Coach Debs be interested?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 23, 2009, 07:45:51 AM
If he was to move now might be the time.  Hate to see it if it does happen but all move eventualy.

A couple things about Sats game now that it has sunk in a little.  I thought even though the O has been putting points on the board the last 5 weeks we seem to have lost some continuity and flow that we had previously.

The run game has remained solid but our passing game is what Im referring to.  We have seem to have gotten away spreading the ball around to our 4 wr's and and flooding zones and fallen in love with the 3 yard out and bubble screens to Homyk.  He is a great receiver and runs the bubble well but our other wr's preety much became non existant and an after thought.  As an example I think Kolesar only had 1 catch the last 2 games.  I know Whalen didnt have the pass protection of the prior 2 yrs and plays brake down before they should, just an overall observation.  This offense moves best when the run and the pass compliment each other and the playmakers are all involved.

Defensively I dont think I heard English's name one time on Sat yet Im sure he was active.  It looked as though Trine stuck to 4 basic plays: inside draw, counter, toss sweep and the bootleg which we appeared clueless to defend.  Paramore got caught in no-mans land as if he pressured than the QB threw and if he covered he ran.  All game long.

We have talent players on the OL/DL but when we run into a bigger and stronger group up front as we did the we can see the results.  The D gave a great effort initially but seemed to wear done before long.  Our DB's are too small to be expected to make run stops time and time again.

With all this said I cannot tell you how proud I am of this and the previous 2 teams to have accomplished what no one except themselves believed could happen when they walked onto campus 3 yrs ago.  They changed the landscape and dynamics of athletics at CWRU. I wish them all great success moving forward an thanks for the great memories and historic accomplishments.

Go Case!  Go Spartans!!  Go Blue!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 23, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
Preface: Lest any of you think that I have some axe to grind with CWRU...

I graduated from CMU after the 2007 season; since then I've rooted for CWRU (when they aren't playing CMU).  I think it's good for the UAA to have a nationally prominent team, and CWRU's 2007-09 success on the heels of CMU's 2006 playoff appearance has raised the league's reputation quite a bit.  Four straight playoff appearances for the UAA champion means that now, an eight or nine-win UAA champion is a strong Pool B candidate.  That was not the case (no pun intended) prior to 2006.

That said, I'm providing an objective analysis of what I think will happen next year.

With all due respect to CWRU's accomplishments the last three seasons, I think that Case falls back to the dreaded "mediocre" zone (where CMU and WashU have been mired for the last three years) in 2010, leaving the UAA with four roughly equal teams likely to finish in the five-to-seven win range.  Reason?  I don't think the recent CWRU teams were that much better than the other UAA teams (or the CWRU teams from 2004-2006, for that matter) except for one enormous difference - Whalen.  It's impossible to truly prove that statement, but I'm going to try.

1)  Check out the CWRU defensive statistics from 2004 through this season.  Statistically, the defense has been about the same during the three-year playoff run as it was from 2004-06.  I know what you're thinking - over the last three years a lot of teams have racked up garbage-time statistics against the backups.  What about the back-to-back 400+ yard games by Chicago and CMU this year?  Both of those games were competitive into the 4th quarter, so I don't think much of that yardage came against the scrubs.  And neither CMU nor Chicago had a particularly "explosive" offense this season.

Please don't cite overall season statistics as evidence that CWRU's defense was better.  That naively overlooks the caliber of the schedule that each team played (through no fault of their own, CWRU faced the weakest combo platter of the NCAC schools).  In games against competitive opponents, CWRU's defense was pretty average.

2) So that brings us to the offense.  I've made the claim that the CWRU defense from 2004-06 was about the same as the defense during the three playoff seasons, so consequently almost 100% of the improvement was due to the offensive side of the ball.

Obviously the offense was tremendously improved over the last three years (averaging 34, 37, and 42 points per game) compared to 17, 19, and 20 from 2004-06.  How much of this is attributable to Whalen?  I'll argue that a great deal of that stems from Whalen's presence.  Even in Whalen's freshman year, 2006, the offense was much better with Whalen on the field than Mirando.  I draw the conclusion that CWRU's offensive talent is probably marginally better than the pre-Whalen time.  How will this carry over to next season?  Impossible to say - but if they fall from 42 ppg to 30 ppg, that might cost them a few wins against the better teams on their schedule (they will still annihilate the Hirams and Oberlins of the world).

What does all of this mean?  CWRU from 2007-09 (minus Whalen) was probably a slightly-above-average UAA team.  Do they still win the championship in each of those seasons?  Probably yes.  The only UAA games they were ever in danger of losing recently were 2007 CMU (a 20-17 OT win over a 7-4 CMU team) and 2009 Chicago (38-24 win, but tied at 24 in fourth quarter, against a 5-4 Chicago team).

3) We have not touched on the final factor, the most important factor, the intangible benefits.  Obviously the team plays with a new swagger, has a higher recruiting profile, trains harder in the offseason, has better facilities...to that I say...as politely as possible...PHOOEY.

CMU had new facilities, a big recruiting class, and a new swagger after 2006.  That bought us a 7-4 season in 2007, and after the graduation of Sivek and Gimson (#1 and #3 on CMU career rushing list), two straight 5-5 seasons.  Back to the pack.  Same old team - decent athletes, good students, undersized, a step slow for a bigger school.  Scrapping out wins against crappy NCAC teams, not really talented enough to beat anyone of consequence.

Nor is this an isolated example.  In D-3 football it's just darned hard to build a decade-after-decade winner unless you happen to be in Alliance, Ohio.  There are a lot of flash-in-the-pan playoff teams that have a great three-year run (coinciding with a few star players or a couple really great recruiting classes).  Witness the "demise" of Bridgewater, Trinity (TX), and St. John Fisher.  Bridgewater had an incredible run from 2000-05.  Hasn't been back to the playoffs since and actually had a losing season in 2008.  Trinity OWNED the SCAC from 2000-05.  Hasn't won a conference title in four years.  SJF had great seasons in 2006-07 end at the hands of Mount Union.  Annnd....right back to the pack in 08-09.

A very apt comparison, incidentally, is probably 2007-08 Hartwick, led by an outstanding QB that got looks from the NFL (Jason Boltus) and a dominant receiver (Jack Phelan, I believe).  They pulled Hartwick out of the doldrums to an Empire 8 championship in 2007 and another nice season in 2008.  This year, with the two gone, a resounding THUD as Hartwick was badly blown out in four conference games and notched their only conference win over hapless Utica.

Do I wish failure upon CWRU?  Of course not.  But I truly believe that we'll see four middling teams in the UAA next season, unless an as-yet-unknown superstar emerges for one of the teams.

This ended up being a lot longer than I intended...but it's actually quite insightful, I think.  I learned a lot about D3 football researching for this post haha.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 23, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
Tartan, nice work and very insightful and pretty much on the mark with program analysis.  While I have only been a CWRU and UAA observer I can offer this evaluation for the Spartan talent the last 4 yrs in comparison to each other.  This is only one semi-intelligent view....

It goes without saying that Whalen made an incredible difference when on the field yet lets look at the position talent for each year.

QB
Hands down Whalen all 4 yrs.  Mirando played well when on the field and to the best of his abilities but didn't have the pocket presence, field vision and mobility that Whalen does.

WR
The top 4 probably represent best WR group in the country the past 2 yrs, period.  Cowdrick started in 06 with 3 Sr's, (Skolnicki, Brenner, Dudek) with Kolesar seeing playing time while Nicely and Homyk started w these 2 the next year.  Id have to say the 09 group was best in the 4 yrs if only because all 4 stayed on the field.  The 07, 08 and 09 groups were far better the 06 group.  A case can be made for Sujtca at TE during this time as well.

RB
06 had Roesnbury, Jones, Brenner, Checkan and Meyer accounting about 900 yds.  Since then it's been the 4-headed monster of Checkan, Meyer, Busch and Deitman.  Same rankings as the WR's

OL
Id rate the 08 class number 1 followed be 07, 09 and 06.  This yrs group should it could run the ball effectively but could not give Whalen the time he needed to read the D. This is reflection on where the graduation hits took place the past couple yrs while the skill guys stayed in place.

Overall O
08, 09, 07, 06

DL
A surprising and talented group this season played well until they wore down against larger, stronger teams.  Run D was a concern in every game. I'm going with this ranking: 07, 08, 06, 09

LB
It was great to have Jeff Brown in place to play alongside and then fill the enormous void when AA Tom Brew and JohnTiemere moved on.  Sasala and Pelyak complimented Brown well and were 4 yr guys also.  07, 08, 06, 09

DB
AA Bob Bott anchored the secondary the last 2 yrs.  Kingscott was a great addition when his shoulder would cooperate. Other pieces were added and did a decent job but the secondary was better in 07 and 08.  07, 08, 06, 09

KICKERS
Hands down Whalen and Coffey over Calderone in 06.  08, 09, 07, 06

Overall D
This represented the first change of talent at the school.  Once Debs had the D settled he turned his attention to the offensive side.  Tougher to pick one group over another than it was w the O. 07, 08, 06, 09

Like I said just one man's opinion.  I disagree with the talent only being margianlly better and it only came down to Whalen being the man.  Not to take anything away from prior teams and classes, there were upgrades in talent at every position. 

This yrs senior class represents the largest loss of then the school has probably seen. While there is a strong and talented underclass the bar has been raised significantly and the target is on their back.  Keep the streak alive boys!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2009, 01:16:10 PM
Is it too early to speculate who will be the starting QB next year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on November 23, 2009, 01:27:33 PM
baum has the experience, hockevar the size
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 23, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: blue4now on November 23, 2009, 01:27:33 PM
baum has the experience, hockevar the size

That's a safe answer.  ;)  I think Hokavar is the right choice.  He is very intelligent, has a better arm, and is much bigger (able to run from QB position).  Hopefully he can improve his accuracy by next fall, as that is the one piece of his game that can be a little suspect.  He has great potential to be an excellent QB, though.  On the other hand, Baum has put in his time as a backup and has more experience with the offense, so I wonder if they will start off the season by giving him a chance to take the reins.

By the way, congratulations to all of the seniors on a great 4 years of football.  Thanks for many memories and making many CWRU alumns proud!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 23, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
Thanks for the info, blue4.  I don't mean that the rest of the team doesn't deserve any credit - of course they do, and one would like to think that the talent level has increased somewhat.  I'd qualify your statement about talent upgrades at every position by adding "on offense" - I don't think the defense is appreciably better than it was in 2005-06 (which you noted as well).  You're right that by 2006 they had built a respectable defense around guys like Brew and Calderone, but the offense hadn't caught up just yet.

Incidentally, I think the 2006 defense with any of the 2007-09 offenses goes to the playoffs and does just as well as the respective teams did.  Which is part of my point...unless the offense has made significant progress and maintains something resembling the explosiveness that they had with Whalen (not ruling it out, the backup QB's may well be very capable), I think CWRU is still merely "above-average" for the UAA at the other ten offensive positions.

This is not meant as a slight to anybody (because I was one of those merely above-average guys during our 2006 playoff run as a very undersized left tackle..and I wasn't the most agile guy out there either).  I rode the coattails of two supremely talented RB's; my chief job was to stay out of the way and hustle downfield to try and block the safety in case Gimson or Sivek broke free.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2009, 01:47:01 PM
Congratulations to Dan Whalen on being named a 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalist!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 25, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
Congrats indeed to Whalen!

It'd really be a crying shame if he didn't win it after the season he had:

He finished the 2009 season 247-for-361 for 3,340 yards and 34 touchdowns.  Whalen also ran the ball 68 times for 199 yards and six touchdowns.

Certainly no single player in the country meant more to his team, or contributed more directly to his team's unprecedented success than Whalen.

On top of that, he's got a bright future as a sportswriter and humanitarian ahead of him:

The English major is currently interning with the Cleveland Browns as a game-day media relations representative.  Two summers ago, he interned with Sports Illustrated in New York. Whalen has been a leader the last three years during the annual Case for Community Day Sports Clinic, teaching children from local schools about good sportsmanship while playing football with them.

Truly a class act!

Let's hope that the right person is selected, and that his name is Whalen!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on November 25, 2009, 09:21:04 PM
Well said, Major. Although not at the games,I sat through two playoff games between the Little Giants and Case with my heart in my throat wondering what Dan Whalen would do next. He was truly remarkable.
       I voted for Dan in the Gagliardi and wish him the best. He seems to have his head on straighr and a great future in sports journalism. It's too bad we couldn't have a 3rd rematch. I would like to see some rotation in the UAA-NCAC schedules so that Wabash and Case could play regularly (as long as Whalen has graduated). I fear that Wabash is so far west that we're probably stuck with Chicago and WashU for the time being.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 26, 2009, 08:45:36 AM
Link to the fan vote:

http://www.d3football.com/frame/eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 05:14:55 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 25, 2009, 05:05:43 PM


The English major is currently interning with the Cleveland Browns as a game-day media relations representative.  Two summers ago, he interned with Sports Illustrated in New York. Whalen has been a leader the last three years during the annual Case for Community Day Sports Clinic, teaching children from local schools about good sportsmanship while playing football with them.

Truly a class act!

Let's hope that the right person is selected, and that his name is Whalen!


Man, I'd be willing to be at winner like Whalen gets sick to his stomach with the stuff going on with the Browns.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 10, 2009, 09:27:49 PM
Whalen is first team All-Region, but elimiated in Gagliardi Trophy by Blaine Westemeyer (Sr., OT) - Augustana (Ill.)

Tony Opperman first team All-Region too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashBacker#16 on December 11, 2009, 11:58:27 AM
Indiana's 2009 Mr. Football considering Case among other top engineering schools.  Another 4 year starter?  http://www.indystar.com/article/20091211/SPORTS0202/912110373/1004/SPORTS/Indianapolis-Star-Indiana-Mr.-Football-Daniel-Wodicka (http://www.indystar.com/article/20091211/SPORTS0202/912110373/1004/SPORTS/Indianapolis-Star-Indiana-Mr.-Football-Daniel-Wodicka)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 11, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
It'd be great to get a prospect like that.

Surprised that he's not being considered by any Division I schools, with those kinds of credentials.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on December 11, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Same story as last year's recruiting season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 12, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on December 11, 2009, 04:35:06 PM

Surprised that he's not being considered by any Division I schools, with those kinds of credentials.

His size (6' 170) isn't exactly DI calibre.  And his background suggests that education would be his prime consideration.

Interesting that he is considering Hopkins.  I've been scanning Scoutingohio.com for players with profiles that show both athletic and academic ability.  I found two players who indicated they were not interested in being recruited for D2 or D3, yet listed Hopkins as a school that they were interested in.  Could that be because of Hopkins DI lacrosse?

Will it help or hurt that his brother is already at Case?  I believe that there were three brother combos on the roster this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on December 13, 2009, 09:44:42 PM
I found it fascinating that his schools under consideration are all D3, and all four UAA members are on the list. 

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2009, 07:23:49 PM
Building on the parade of "I find it interesting..."

It's not really that surprising that he's considering the UAA's and Hopkins, is it?
My final three schools were CMU, Hopkins, and Rochester (former UAA member).

The UAA schools recruit most of the same kids.  While I played at CMU, I had a work-study job making phone calls to recruits during the season.  When I asked the kids what other schools they were considering, at least 75% of the time the answer was either a) a few Ivy League schools or b) the other UAA schools.

Hopkins, BTW, fits the mission/definition of the UAA schools very well as a research university in a major city, and it's not surprise that they also recruit a lot of the same kids.  They are comfortable in the Centennial Conference, but as a pipe dream, it would have been great for the UAA from a football standpoint if Rochy had stayed and we added Hopkins.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 15, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Hopkins was originally part of the group, but continued to compete in the Centennial.  They never participated in football and, like CWRU until leaving the NCAC, played only a single round robin in hoops.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 20, 2009, 09:59:51 AM
Dan Whalen first team d3.com All American and AFCA too.

Looks like he will be the poster boy for the new Ohio All Star game set for April in Columbus (Upper Arlington HS).

http://www.ohiocollegefootball.com/members/ocf/blog/VIEW/00000015/00001218/Case-Westerns-All-American-Dan-Whalen-To-Play-In-Inaugural-OhioCollegeFootballCom-Senior-Bowl.html#00001218

Tony Opperman makes HM in d3.com as a soph!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 25, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
Does Whalen have any chance of getting a tryout with a pro team?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 25, 2009, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on December 25, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
Does Whalen have any chance of getting a tryout with a pro team?

Perhaps the Browns...but wait you asked  about a pro team.

Seriously his height has been the knock against him, but he's as tall as Drew Brees.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Season to Spartans, Tartans, and Bears.  Maroons, too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2009, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on December 15, 2009, 07:23:49 PM
Building on the parade of "I find it interesting..."

It's not really that surprising that he's considering the UAA's and Hopkins, is it?
My final three schools were CMU, Hopkins, and Rochester (former UAA member).

The UAA schools recruit most of the same kids.  While I played at CMU, I had a work-study job making phone calls to recruits during the season.  When I asked the kids what other schools they were considering, at least 75% of the time the answer was either a) a few Ivy League schools or b) the other UAA schools.

Hopkins, BTW, fits the mission/definition of the UAA schools very well as a research university in a major city, and it's not surprise that they also recruit a lot of the same kids.  They are comfortable in the Centennial Conference, but as a pipe dream, it would have been great for the UAA from a football standpoint if Rochy had stayed and we added Hopkins.
Quote from: ADL70 on December 15, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Hopkins was originally part of the group, but continued to compete in the Centennial.  They never participated in football and, like CWRU until leaving the NCAC, played only a single round robin in hoops.

You guys obviously know this and perhaps have discussed it on this board a long time ago, however, since I don't know and in view of your current discussion, I'll ask anyway.  As you mention, I think most would agree that Hopkins fits the profile that the UAA intends from its founding.  Yet, what was the reason they decided not to participate in football there as well as why did Rochester leave also?  Was it strickly travel costs and as such more regional games for participation?  Seems to me that Hopkins would be able to afford the football travel just as Chicago and the other schools can and do.  Just curious - thanks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 30, 2009, 05:09:32 PM
d3db,

As a recruit, I was told that Rochy was going to the Liberty League for three reasons:
1) more regional/local games (since LL schools are all upstate New York)
2) easier for scheduling purposes (too hard to find seven non-con games)
3) access to an AQ berth to D-3 playoffs (although they haven't won the LL title, twice they have been in contention up to the final week
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2009, 06:44:10 PM
TartanPlayer:

That certainly makes sense and are legit reasons.  Thanks for the reply info.  Also, best wishes for a Happy and Safe New Year's Eve, Day and weekend.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on January 24, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
While it's not UAA-related, I've gotta post a big congratulatory message to Pierre Garcon, Mt Union alum, for an amazing performance in today's AFC title game.  11 catches for 151 yards.  Wow.  Division III football should be proud.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 25, 2010, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on January 24, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
While it's not UAA-related, I've gotta post a big congratulatory message to Pierre Garcon, Mt Union alum, for an amazing performance in today's AFC title game.  11 catches for 151 yards.  Wow.  Division III football should be proud.

That is great indeed.  The only problem is I wish the announcers would make more mention of the fact that he is from DIII.  That irritates me.  Heck, some of them don't even have the correct information (see the posts over on the OAC board about this), which is sad, and even moreso, there is no excuse for that.  They're supposed to be the top notch professionals.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 26, 2010, 04:42:18 PM
Well, now THIS would be an interesting pro football story, if it were to come true:

Case QB Dan Whalen is now working out hard, has hired a famous "sleeper" agent, and will be playing in college all-star games.

Perhaps he could become the next Brian Sipe.

Read on!

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/01/26/sports/nh1998219.txt
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 27, 2010, 08:55:46 PM
Whalen, Bott, and Suitca are on the roster for the OhioCollegeFootball.Com Senior Bowl in April.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 02, 2010, 12:21:22 PM
No disrespect to both Rawley and Ross at WR but how can Perto (MUC) and Cowdrick be left off of this team??   And where is Jeff Brown?
                        Rec          Yds        TD
RAWLEY             118         1552       17
ROSS                 163         1798      10
PETRUZIELLO      121         1878       10
COWDRICK          152         2207      17

Any idea how these teams are picked?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 09, 2010, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: blue4now on February 02, 2010, 12:21:22 PM
No disrespect to both Rawley and Ross at WR but how can Perto (MUC) and Cowdrick be left off of this team??   And where is Jeff Brown?
                        Rec          Yds        TD
RAWLEY             118         1552       17
ROSS                 163         1798      10
PETRUZIELLO      121         1878       10
COWDRICK          152         2207      17

Any idea how these teams are picked?


Don't know how they are picked.

There are still 7 North players to be named.  Ross, the only D3 WR, was first team All-OAC.  Petruziello was not.  Only 2 LBs have been announced, both from D2 teams.  Brown may still have a shot.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on February 17, 2010, 09:09:34 AM
Folks-

A bit of shameless promotion for the people who sign my checks.

Dan Whalen is scheduled to appear on the Really Big Show with Tony Rizzo on ESPN 850 WKNR today, don't know the exact time.  Whalen is crashing the combine and is scheduled to update Rizz all next week from the combine.

If you're not in Northeast Ohio you can tune in at www.espncleveland.com.

That's my shameless plug.
Title: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on February 17, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
CWRU WR Tim Cowdrick has been selected to play in the DII / DIII All-American Bowl in Charleston WV on Sat March 27th.  Go Tim and represent the SPARTANS well!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Great for Tim!  Is there a web site for the game?  Given the location I would expect the rosters to be heavy with WVIAC players. Could vbe a WVa vs the world format.
Title: II/III All American Bowl
Post by: blue4now on February 19, 2010, 09:03:19 AM
Should be a good time.  He'll run into some of the Wabash boys.

http://www.allamericanbowl.com/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on February 24, 2010, 11:53:00 AM
Whalen mentioned at the bottom of this ESPN article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4938074
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 28, 2010, 03:58:14 PM
QuoteWell, now THIS would be an interesting pro football story, if it were to come true:

Case QB Dan Whalen is now working out hard, has hired a famous "sleeper" agent, and will be playing in college all-star games.

Perhaps he could become the next Brian Sipe.

Read on!

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/01/26/sports/nh1998219.txt

Did he throw at the Combine? I was looking forward to seeing him out there but didn't see him throw or in any of the drills. Wish him the best for sure. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 02, 2010, 10:12:58 PM
Whalen was not invited to the combine.

Here's his report from the shadows:

http://news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/01/sports/nh2168438.txt

He will participate in Pro Day at OSU in a couple of weeks
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 02:36:34 PM
QuoteWhalen was not invited to the combine.

Here's his report from the shadows:

http://news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/01/sports/nh2168438.txt

He will participate in Pro Day at OSU in a couple of weeks

Thanks...my bad. I misread the ESPN piece. Hope he makes a go of it. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 07, 2010, 11:02:30 AM
Not a football player, but congrats to sophmore Spartan wrestler Isaac Dukes national champ at 149.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 13, 2010, 02:55:08 PM
QuoteIndiana's 2009 Mr. Football considering Case among other top engineering schools.  Another 4 year starter?  http://www.indystar.com/article/20091211/SPORTS0202/912110373/1004/SPORTS/Indianapolis-Star-Indiana-Mr.-Football-Daniel-Wodicka

He's going to Johns Hopkins and will play receiver there. I exchanged emails with his dad recently and it sounded like he was headed to Case with his older bro...best wishes to a quality student-athlete... 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on March 13, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
Anyone heard about Whalen's pro day?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on March 13, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
I found this: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/13/sports/nh2225921.txt

Whalen said he ran a 4.6-4.7 (which, if true, would place him around the top three of the qbs who ran at the combine; seems dubious). I don't know why they wouldn't let him throw. Something's fishy.

related: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/03/11/sports/nh2215360.txt
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 03, 2010, 06:05:11 PM
Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but four of the eight schools in the University Athletic Association made the list of the Top 25 "Best Neighbor" schools that make a positive impact on their urban communities:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/News_Releases/2009-10/Best%20Neighbor%20Survey.htm?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4585864

Case was ranked #7, Rochester #14, Emory #17, and Carnegie-Mellon #19.

Quite an honor, I would say!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 03, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
BashDad,

It's a shame he didn't get a chance to throw.

Is there any chance that he can get a private workout with an NFL team?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 04, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
From the CWRU website:  Whalen "worked out individually for multiple (Dolphins, Giants, Saints) National Football League (NFL) teams.  The Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League (CFL) have also signed his CFL rights."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 24, 2010, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 04, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
From the CWRU website:  Whalen "worked out individually for multiple (Dolphins, Giants, Saints) National Football League (NFL) teams.  The Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League (CFL) have also signed his CFL rights."

Does Whalen get a NFL call for a FA and which is the likely team? Maybe Mount's K. Rocco will be contacted as well!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 24, 2010, 06:49:12 PM
Has there been any word on whether Whalen will be signed as an NFL free agent?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 26, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
The schedule for Year One AD has been finalized.

We've know for some time that John Carroll and Allegheny are replacing Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan.  The first three games will be under the lights; John Carroll and Denison at home weeks one and four and at Rochester week two.  No mention of a repeat of Heritage Day.  But the JCU opener would be perfect since the Blue Streaks were PAC foes of both the Red Cats and Rough Riders.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/schedule.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 26, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
The schedule for Year One AD has been finalized.

We've know for some time that John Carroll and Allegheny are replacing Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan.  The first three games will be under the lights; John Carroll and Denison at home weeks one and four and at Rochester week two.  No mention of a repeat of Heritage Day.  But the JCU opener would be perfect since the Blue Streaks were PAC foes of both the Red Cats and Rough Riders.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/schedule.htm

It is great that CWRU and JCU are playing each this season. Since they are both local and compete for many of the same players. In the last few years CWRU has been a better team than JCU, so this year's game should be a good one!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 27, 2010, 06:23:22 PM
In my view, Case has a major rebuilding year ahead.

I don't foresee another undefeated season, and beating JCU will be a pretty tall order, not that I wouldn't LOVE to see it (I did my undergrad work at CWRU, but I did my Army ROTC and got my Commission through JCU; I always felt like an outsider over there, so I'd love to see JCU lose!).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on April 27, 2010, 06:23:22 PM
In my view, Case has a major rebuilding year ahead.

I don't foresee another undefeated season, and beating JCU will be a pretty tall order, not that I wouldn't LOVE to see it (I did my undergrad work at CWRU, but I did my Army ROTC and got my Commission through JCU; I always felt like an outsider over there, so I'd love to see JCU lose!).

Sounds like the game could be a toss-up. I have not heard any JCU news other than Tom Arth coming back as a offensive coach. JCU should have replaced their HC a few years ago!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 27, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Both teams will be breaking in new QBs.

Spartans will be rebuilding for sure, replacing the most successful class in school history.  Whalen, Checkan, Bott, Brown, and Pelyak will be big shoes to fill.

A great foundation remains however as the lines on both sides of the ball return intact.  The OL is led by All American Tony Opperman and All UAA first teamers Marcus Kluczynski and Michael Allen.  The DL has three All UAA veterans as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 28, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 27, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Both teams will be breaking in new QBs.

Spartans will be rebuilding for sure, replacing the most successful class in school history.  Whalen, Checkan, Bott, Brown, and Pelyak will be big shoes to fill.

A great foundation remains however as the lines on both sides of the ball return intact.  The OL is led by All American Tony Opperman and All UAA first teamers Marcus Kluczynski and Michael Allen.  The DL has three All UAA veterans as well.

Not real close to the JCU program, other than they have not been that strong in the OAC in the past few years. At one time they were a top 3-4 team in a 10 team conference. Word across the OAC is a change at the top should happen before now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on April 29, 2010, 09:15:25 AM
Dont forget the loss of Cowdrick, Kolesar and Suitca on O also.  Baum or Hokavar will after find more than Homyk and Nicely to keep that O moving.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 29, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
No slight of their contributions intended, but there is experience at those positions to step up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 02, 2010, 06:09:25 PM
Was Whalen contacted by the NFL, if so I missed it?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 12, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 27, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Spartans will be rebuilding

rebuilding?  I meant reloading.

First of the new ammunition:

Garrett Hartig   Ft Branch (IN) Gibson Southern   6'3 270 DL/OL   All-Conf OL

Kenny Riordan   Richmond (IL) Burton  6'1 200  FB/LB   All-Area  1,000 yd rusher
     
Scott Campbell   Chagrin Falls   5'11 200 DL/OL  2x All-District

Rylan Pyciak   Rayland (OH) Buckeye Local   6'2 225  TE/LB  2x All-Ohio SM          Wrestling State Qualifier  @215

AJ Olding   Cincinnati Summit CDS  6'12 235 DL/OL 

BTW in the course of surfing the web I found that CWRU is listing open dates for all but the last three weeks of 2012.  Does this signal the end of the NCAC-UAA schedule?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 13, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 12, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 27, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Spartans will be rebuilding

rebuilding?  I meant reloading.

First of the new ammunition:

Garrett Hartig   Ft Branch (IN) Gibson Southern   6'3 270 DL/OL   All-Conf OL

Kenny Riordan   Richmond (IL) Burton  6'1 200  FB/LB   All-Area  1,000 yd rusher
     
Scott Campbell   Chagrin Falls   5'11 200 DL/OL  2x All-District

Rylan Pyciak   Rayland (OH) Buckeye Local   6'2 225  TE/LB  2x All-Ohio SM          Wrestling State Qualifier  @215

AJ Olding   Cincinnati Summit CDS  6'12 235 DL/OL 

BTW in the course of surfing the web I found that CWRU is listing open dates for all but the last three weeks of 2012.  Does this signal the end of the NCAC-UAA schedule?

Given the number of top recruits, CWRU could be strong again for the next few years, assuming they can develop another Whalen!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 13, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 12, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
BTW in the course of surfing the web I found that CWRU is listing open dates for all but the last three weeks of 2012.  Does this signal the end of the NCAC-UAA schedule?

One can only hope.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 13, 2010, 06:52:25 PM
Gang,

I just got my request for orders.

I'll be heading to D.C. for four months of Dari or Pashtun language training this Fall, and then off to Afghanistan for a year in December as a part of the Afghanistan-Pakistan (AFPAK) Hands program.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on May 14, 2010, 09:32:10 AM
Major,

Good luck to you.  Its been good to have met you.  Bittersweet day yesterday as Tim moved the last of his things home.....   I will still be attending some games this fall even though the younger one will be at  Mount.  Cant afford all of those Wisc visits.  lol  Be Safe!

Go Spartans!  Go Blue!!  (and now purple!)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 14, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: blue4now on May 14, 2010, 09:32:10 AM
Major,

Good luck to you.  Its been good to have met you.  Bittersweet day yesterday as Tim moved the last of his things home.....   I will still be attending some games this fall even though the younger one will be at  Mount.  Cant afford all of those Wisc visits.  lol  Be Safe!

Go Spartans!  Go Blue!!  (and now purple!)

That's the ticket, GO RAIDERS!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 16, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 13, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 12, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
BTW in the course of surfing the web I found that CWRU is listing open dates for all but the last three weeks of 2012.  Does this signal the end of the NCAC-UAA schedule?

One can only hope.

Ouch, wally, is it really THAT bad for the mighty NCAC schools to have to play the UAA?  I know that Bash is substantially better than most of the UAA teams, but for most of the league it's a good competitive fit.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 16, 2010, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on May 13, 2010, 06:52:25 PM
Gang,

I just got my request for orders.

I'll be heading to D.C. for four months of Dari or Pashtun language training this Fall, and then off to Afghanistan for a year in December as a part of the Afghanistan-Pakistan (AFPAK) Hands program.

Good luck to you, Major.

eX-TP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 17, 2010, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: TartanPlayer on May 16, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 13, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 12, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
BTW in the course of surfing the web I found that CWRU is listing open dates for all but the last three weeks of 2012.  Does this signal the end of the NCAC-UAA schedule?

One can only hope.

Ouch, wally, is it really THAT bad for the mighty NCAC schools to have to play the UAA?  I know that Bash is substantially better than most of the UAA teams, but for most of the league it's a good competitive fit.

Is it?  What exactly did CWRU get out of their games against Kenyon/Oberlin/Denison/OWU/Hiram last year?  Other than filling out a ten game schedule and Whalen being able to go nut-so on bad defenses?  Those were games just for the sake of games.  In hindsight, I don't think you'd argue that CWRU maybe would have wanted to swap one or two of those games out for some stiffer competition. 

From the time this NCAC/UAA schedule arrangement was announced (seems like 8 years ago now), I've said that I don't hate NCAC schools playing against UAA schools.  There are definitely some appropriate matchups there that I think are good, beneficial games for both schools involved.  What I've never liked about it is that an NCAC school doesn't have a choice if those games aren't what they necessarily want.  In the case of Wabash, I don't really mind one of the Chicago or WUStl games, but not both.  I'd like to see NCAC schools play UAA schools...when it makes sense for the schools to do so; not necessarily the entire league. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 17, 2010, 05:28:22 PM
Wally,

I would have thought your main complaint was not the teams, per se, but  the complete lack of flexibility Wabash has.  With 7 conference games, plus The Bell, being forced to play 2 UAA teams leaves them NO opportunity to schedule a CCIW, OAC, or any other game.

Of course, with Earlham bolting, perhaps there are only 6 conference games?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 17, 2010, 09:32:36 PM
That's mostly it, Ypsi.  Wabash has two "flex" games as it were...in the agreement, Wabash has no choice left in who goes onto the schedule.  If Wabash wanted to find an early game that was an upgrade over Chicago, for example, they couldn't do it.  Like I said, WashU or Chicago is fine, both just doesn't help much.  I'd prefer Wabash have one game to schedule against the CCIW, HCAC, or OAC (although OAC games are hard to get with Wabash traditionally not playing in week 1). 

Earlham is out, so the NCAC is only scheduling six league games each of the next two seasons....however, the best arrangement they were able to find is to have each team scheduled against 7 other NCAC teams.  One of those games just doesn't count for the league standings.  Wabash plays at Kenyon this fall in a game that doesn't count for league placement....which is another rant unto itself. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 17, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
I would think the member schools have let the NCAC get totally out of control when they control the ENTIRE schedule.  Kenyon TWICE - did they think this was swimming?! :o ;D

I can't imagine CCIW member schools allowing the conference to dictate non-con games.  Since (I assume) the conference is essentially nothing more than the collective will of ADs (and Presidents?), are a majority of ADs too freakin' lazy to schedule games themselves?!

Since this is no longer about the UAA, per se, I'll follow you if you want to switch to the NCAC board.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: short on May 18, 2010, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 17, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
I would think the member schools have let the NCAC get totally out of control when they control the ENTIRE schedule.  Kenyon TWICE - did they think this was swimming?! :o ;D

I can't imagine CCIW member schools allowing the conference to dictate non-con games.  Since (I assume) the conference is essentially nothing more than the collective will of ADs (and Presidents?), are a majority of ADs too freakin' lazy to schedule games themselves?!

Since this is no longer about the UAA, per se, I'll follow you if you want to switch to the NCAC board.

Ypsi,
I think your confused.  Wabash isn't playing Kenyon Twice in the same season however, the one game that they are playing doesn't count in the NCAC standings.  Every NCAC school is doing this thing of playing 7 NCAC teams but only 6 of them are NCAC games.  Really stupid!  The NCAC has 9 teams that play Football (starting in 2010) IMHO they should all play the other 8 and all the games should count in the NCAC standings.  Wabash should NOT be forced to play a school from the UAA so they can use that game to play however they want like maybe CWRU :-).   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 18, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
I think the agreement is/was good for a majority of the conference with respect to competition, so whenever there was  a vote on whether or not to do it, it was passed.  And there are benefits to it for the schools that maybe don't benefit as much competition-wise (namely exposure into Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh), so it probably wasn't worth dissention.  But if the agreement is ending after next season, I won't be at all disappointed. 

As far as the NCAC schedule goes...I would predict that by 2012 one of three things will happen:
1) The NCAC will have found a 10th team to join the league and the 7-game conference schedule will resume
2) The NCAC will stand pat with 9 teams and go to a full round robin
3) Half of the NCAC's schools will have joined the Big Ten
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on May 28, 2010, 11:12:35 AM
 ;D


Go Bears

Wash U has another large incoming class. 38 freshmen arrive for camp on August 13.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 28, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
An even dozen more than last year.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/fbrecap5-26-10.html


Congrats to Spartan Obinna Nwanna, National champ in the decathalon!!!

http://www.youtube.com/D3TrackNationals10#p/u/3/rk2TI9QoQGY

Another new Spartan... Brandon Bryant Rockville (MD) OL/LB 6'1 205 [although Lemming's site lists him at 6'2 225 and a 4.7 40] All-State HM OL

Not the most exciting highlight film I've seen, but there've been a a couple of pretty good Brandons in the Circle in the last few years (McDowell and Jeffries).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf2fre2pF-E

Nice play at about the 5 min mark where he is blocked at the LOS gets up and stops the runner for little or no.

WUStL got a kicker from Shaker who was on my watch list for CWRU and CMU a WR from Mentor
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on May 29, 2010, 10:52:01 AM
Saw the kicker last year.  Not overly bummed about missing out on him.  He was pretty much all Shaker had.

Rowe will be a nice fit for CMU.  He's an outside guy similar to Kolesar but not as polished or consistant as yet.  Their 2 outside guys are departing so he will get his chance. 

He would have considered CWRU but they no longer offer his area of study.  Too bad.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UChicago Maroon on May 30, 2010, 07:15:51 PM
UChicago's Recruits:

May 18, 2010 - Football
Chicago Introduces Class of 2014

CHICAGO -- University of Chicago Head Football Coach Dick Maloney announced today the team's incoming freshmen for the 2010 season. The 29-member class of 2014 includes 17 defensive players and 12 offensive players.

Chicago's newcomers represent 13 different states as well as the District of Columbia. They join 51 returning players, giving the Maroons an 80-player roster heading into the 2010 campaign.

Chicago, which finished 5-4 a year ago, kicks off its 2010 season Saturday, Sept. 4 at Beloit College. The Maroons entertain Concordia University Chicago the following Saturday in the first of five games at Stagg Field.

Chicago Football Class of 2014

Name
Pos
Hometown
High School
David Amaro DT Washington, D.C.  Landon School 
Tom Bemenderfer  TE Indianapolis, Ind.  Cathedral 
Thomas Brutofsky SS Toms River, N.J. Toms River East
Joshua Burandt SS Loveland, Ohio Moeller 
James Camp QB Delaware, Ohio Olentangy 
Michael Cifor DT Manchester, Vt. Loomis Chaffee School
Wolfgang Connell FS Stewartsville, N.J. Phillipsburg 
Vincent Cortina QB Belmont, Mass. Belmont 
Francesco DeMayo OL Houston, Texas Strake Jesuit 
Brian Duffy LB Glen Ellyn, Ill. Glenbard South 
Michael Ember SS Hinsdale, Ill. Fenwick 
Vicente Fernandez CB Miami, Fla. Belen Jesuit 
Ian Gaines WR Flemington, N.J. Hunterdon Central 
Mychael Gilliam CB Orchard Lake, Mich. Saint Mary's Prep 
Heath Gustafson OL Jackson, Mich. Jackson 
Chandler James LB Camby, Ind. Plainfield 
Thomas Lacaria LB Watertown, Conn. Holy Cross 
Ian Lazarus LB Austin, Texas Lake Travis
Nathan Lowe WR Grand Rapids, Mich. Catholic Central 
Anthony Luvison SS Seven Hills, Ohio St. Ignatius
John Marshall LB Saddle River, N.J. Northern Highlands 
Richard Painter DE Naperville, Ill. North
Zachary Ross OL St. Albans, Mo. St. Louis Priory
Richard Schmidt WR Portage, Ind. Andrean 
Jeff Son DT Fullerton, Calif. Troy 
Joshua Valenzuela WR El Paso, Texas Franklin 
Zach Von Ahnen WR Elgin, Ill. St. Edwards
Benjamin Wade LB Madison, Wis. West
Charles Winship OL Tampa, Fla.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 02, 2010, 12:31:33 AM
Three more new Spartans:

Drew Zloch Ft Lauderdale (FL) Cadinal Gibbons P-K  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIJjiVbahY

Will the Shaker K be missed?

Jake LaFleur  Columbus St Charles  6'1 185  RB/DB All District DB

Third year in  a row a Cardinal is heading to CWRU

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=1142&srid=3288

Steve Doyle  Elmira NY  Notre Dame  6'4 260 OL  All Division

I have found nine published commitments four from Ohio and five from five different states.  So far only one from NEO and none from WPA.

Interstingly almost every story in the local paper mentions the three straight undefeated regular seaasons.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 06, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
Looks like JCU will play a ranked CWRU team in the opener. How about an early ranking after losing Whalen!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on June 06, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Raider, that would be great however it was tough enough to get the love with Whalen I dont see it without.  Maybe after beating an improving JCU team...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 06, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: blue4now on June 06, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Raider, that would be great however it was tough enough to get the love with Whalen I dont see it without.  Maybe after beating an improving JCU team...

This first game will IMHO set the tone for the year for both teams! The one who wins will have a decent year, the other who knows. :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2010, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 06, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
Looks like JCU will play a ranked CWRU team in the opener. How about an early ranking after losing Whalen!

I doubt Case will be ranked in our poll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2010, 08:04:20 PM
#24 TSN  I suspect maybe top40 in USAToday and d3.comKickoff.

CWRU gets gift to finish the new athletic facilities.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2010/06/former_coach_inspires_case_wes.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Yes, the fact that it's from such a robust Division III-knowledgeable publication such as The Sporting News, and the fact that it won't issue another ranking all season, won't keep SIDs from using it and thereby lending it some unwarranted legitimacy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 06, 2010, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Yes, the fact that it's from such a robust Division III-knowledgeable publication such as The Sporting News, and the fact that it won't issue another ranking all season, won't keep SIDs from using it and thereby lending it some unwarranted legitimacy.

Anyone carrying on for the Don Hansen (sp) Site?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2010, 11:12:20 PM
JCU will have the advantage of the trip they just completed to play a European team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 07, 2010, 07:28:04 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 06, 2010, 11:12:20 PM
JCU will have the advantage of the trip they just completed to play a European team.

That could be true, but I think it is like more of a spring game which does not indicate fall success!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on June 08, 2010, 04:45:49 PM
Wash U has  pre-season 2nd team All American D Back
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/fbrecap6-7-10.html (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/fbrecap6-7-10.html)

Congrats Brandon!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 07, 2010, 07:28:04 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 06, 2010, 11:12:20 PM
JCU will have the advantage of the trip they just completed to play a European team.

That could be true, but I think it is like more of a spring game which does not indicate fall success!

Although it does include 10 full-pad practices in the spring, which not many D-III programs have.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 10, 2010, 06:44:16 PM
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but this is the National Science Foundation's list of the Top 50 schools where Engineering and Science Ph.Ds received their undergraduate education:

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/?govDel=USNSF_178http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nsf.gov%2Fstatistics%2Finfbrief%2Fnsf08311%2F%3FgovDel%3DUSNSF_178 (http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/?govDel=USNSF_178http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nsf.gov%2Fstatistics%2Finfbrief%2Fnsf08311%2F%3FgovDel%3DUSNSF_178)

Case came in at #23, beating out a couple of Ivy League schools.

It's interesting that so many liberal arts colleges made the list.

Even St. John's College, MD, with its "Great Books" curriculum, made the Top 50.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 11, 2010, 08:38:59 PM
ADL70,

You mentioned how Case now has Division III's best athlete (you know, the decathlete; the decathlon champion is considered, in many circles, to be the best all-around athlete at the Olympic games; so why not in Division III as well?).

Now, even ESPN is taking notice.

Read on.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2010/06/14/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2010/06/14/)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 11, 2010, 09:19:46 PM
Who is CWRU's biggest competitor this fall? :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 15, 2010, 05:41:18 PM
ADL70,

By chance do you have a list of CWRU's most recent recruiting class?

I'm concerned that our recruiting has been slipping in the last few years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 16, 2010, 11:14:27 PM
I don't know anything more than the nine I've posted here, which I tracked down online.

In terms of quantity, recent years haven't matched the fifty of a few years back.  But I think quality has been there.  Realistically if you can get a dozen or so each year who can contribute you've done about all you need to do.

Last year's class produced a few who started at least one game (Watson, Snyder, and Calabrese), Harris filled in in relief and goal line on DL, Fioramenti and Self were in on special teams, Dolan cracked the two deep at OT, and Hokavar is expected to be the QB of the future.  So there are seven who are already expected to contribute.

I did have my eye on two linemen from Ohio who were supposed to be looking for a biomedical engineering progam, but each went to liberal arts schools without engineering programs. 

Last year there wasn't an official list until almost the end of June, so we may have another two weeks or so to wait.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 18, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
Found this interesting comment from a Cincinnati fan on a Big East board:

"If [people in my area] talk about big time academic schools, you hear Notre Dame, Northwestern, Case Western, Ivy League, the Academies... not Villanova, or any really anybody else."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 19, 2010, 06:46:46 PM
Well, it's certainly nice to mentioned in the same breath with a lot of those folks!

That said, I wouldn't put us on the level of the Ivy Leagues and Northwestern.

We're maybe a notch below that, I'd say.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
CMU has posted its 2010 roster with 56 freshmen including nine QBs!

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/rosters/index.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 27, 2010, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on June 19, 2010, 06:46:46 PM
Well, it's certainly nice to mentioned in the same breath with a lot of those folks!

That said, I wouldn't put us on the level of the Ivy Leagues and Northwestern.

We're maybe a notch below that, I'd say.

Regardless of the order, CWRU has a great academic reputation and its football program is showing real strength in the past few years! :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on June 27, 2010, 08:18:02 PM
My son told me Vinny Hokavar was not returning to Case...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 29, 2010, 11:40:04 PM
If it's true about Hokavar, the Spartans should be fine with Baum this year.  But next year...

CWRU grad Tom Zagorski has been promoted from GA to OL Coach and STC for JCU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on June 30, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
I heard from a pretty reliable source that Vinny Hokavar has transferred to Akron U.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 01, 2010, 09:56:19 PM
Kyle Snyder, who started at CB last year as a freshman for CWRU, succeeded Baum at QB at Walsh Jesuit.  With two other experienced CBs, perhaps he could fill the same role for the Spartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 01, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 27, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
CMU has posted its 2010 roster with 56 freshmen including nine QBs!

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/rosters/index.html

Is this their largest freshman class? Over 11 years they have won 68 and lost 43 or a 61% win ratio. Maybe they are starting to improve the program. Let see what their record will be by the time they play CWRU in the last game of the season! :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 04, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
I looked up last year and the Tartans had 44 new players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 04, 2010, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 04, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
I looked up last year and the Tartans had 44 new players.

A recruiting class of 45-50 is fairly normal for many D3 programs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 05, 2010, 11:05:34 AM
There is a wide range from around 20 for say Oberlin to the mulitudes that the likes of Mt. Union and Wesley bring in.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 05, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 05, 2010, 11:05:34 AM
There is a wide range from around 20 for say Oberlin to the mulitudes that the likes of Mt. Union and Wesley bring in.

In the last 10 years Mount Union has brought in approximately 75-100  freshman per year. But the larger question is how many play and last the 4 years. Numerous top level talent have to wait until their junior or senior year to get a shot at starting. Despite that many of those freshman hang on to part of the experience versus going to other schools to play sooner!

If the CMU and CWRU's can get almost 50 freshman that is great! :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 05, 2010, 05:02:00 PM
What size class does CWRU have this year?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 05, 2010, 09:17:12 PM
My usual source hasn't had any info for me.

Practice starts in less than six weeks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 10, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
Re: the size of CMU's recruiting class...56 is large but not stunningly so.  I played from 2004-07 and we brought in at least 40 every year.  My class had 47 freshmen, 20 of whom stuck around for all four years - and that's a pretty typical retention rate for a given class at CMU, from what I've seen.  About half the guys that show up as freshman play all four years.

As far as "turning the program around" - the stats that you mentioned with a 68-43 record are pretty decieving.  Take out the 11-1 season in 2006 and you'll see that we have been 5-5 or 6-4 almost every season in that span (except the 2007 season, where we won seven games, but even that team was 6-4 before the ECAC bowl game).  It's hard to say there's a "turnaround"...really more like a program stuck around the .500 level that's likely to stay there.

I actually thought we had turned a major corner in 2006 when we won 11 games and went to the playoffs.  In 2007, returning a bunch of key contributors (two 1000 yard rushers, four OL's plus our TE, and eight starters on defense) we dropped back to seven wins.  Never did really figure that out.

As far as the nine quarterbacks - that's primarily because there was only one returnee (and he has no game experience), so every kid that played QB in high school will get a look.  Of those nine, I'd bet at least three will be converted to other positions by the end of camp, and a couple more will quit once they realize they aren't the favored son.

One of them, in particular, I have high hopes for.  #4 on the roster was a four-year starter for a very good AAAA program in the WPIAL...he's a little on the short side, but I hope he wins the job.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 14, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
Here's to the UAA's d3football.com Preseason All Americans:

WUStL Sr CB Brandon Brown (1st team)

CWRU Jr G Tony Opperman (2nd)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 21, 2010, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 14, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
Here's to the UAA's d3football.com Preseason All Americans:

WUStL Sr CB Brandon Brown (1st team)

CWRU Jr G Tony Opperman (2nd)

ADL70,

Any major competitive battles for key positions that give CWRU any advantages/concerns against JCU on 9-4-10?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 21, 2010, 09:31:18 PM
The biggest battle will be at LB where 2 OLB and 2 ILB have departed.

3 CBs w/starting experience will compete to start (unless Snyder moves to QB)

Both lines return intact.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 21, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 21, 2010, 09:31:18 PM
The biggest battle will be at LB where 2 OLB and 2 ILB have departed.

3 CBs w/starting experience will compete to start (unless Snyder moves to QB)

Both lines return intact.

Thanks +k, so reading between the lines, its Whalen's replacement at QB and how well he does that will affect that game or the rest of them in 2010!

Correct? :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 21, 2010, 10:53:43 PM
Baum will be fine at QB, but backup is a huge ?  Baum maybe lacks a bit of Whalen's arm strength  and while a good runner, lacks the scramble ability of Whalen.  But he started a game in 2008 and has lots of experience with a great efficiency rating.

It's D that gives me  more concern.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 24, 2010, 03:13:08 PM
Dale English's brother Mike is not listed on this year's BW roster.  Could he be transferring to CWRU?

Recruit Rylan Pyciak is playing tonight in an All-Star game in Wheeling.

[edit]

I was premature, this weekend's game is tonight @ 7pm

His coming to CWRU may be premature as well.  Despite a well publicized announcement of CWRU in May and one paper's July 14 article, another paper covering the game today reported that he is going to BW. 

There is supposed to be a webcast at wtov9.com.

Several Mt Union recruits are also playing in the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 25, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Looks like Bohon has transferred to Hiram.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 05, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
Spartans are in a three-way tie for 38th with Capital and Trinity (TX) in the pre-season poll here.  CMU got two points.

Based on All-UAA players returning, the case could be made for Chicago to pose the stiffest challenge in the UAA.  They have eight returning on offense who were first or second team in 2009.  In addition six are on the defense. 

The caption on the roster CWRU football site has been changed from Spring 2010 to just 2010, but the only editing is the class years have been updated.

Pyciak is not listed on BWC's updated roster for 2010, so all may not be lost with him.

Practice starts in about a week and the season about a month.  This is the latest since the website was started that I can recall it has been with no report of incoming players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 09:32:36 PM
Case's SID resigned over the summer and they have had a hard time filling the position. I suspect they are trying to get by on the cheap and not offer a realistic salary for the position.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on August 05, 2010, 11:33:16 PM
Better watch that "Case" stuff. I think that war has calmed down, but having had a family member involved in that ruckus, I'm am careful to always say Case Western Reserve or CWRU or Adelbert if I want to be a wise ass
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
Case officials told me Case or Case Western Reserve is acceptable.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 05, 2010, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
Case officials told me Case or Case Western Reserve is acceptable.

Ah, but did they speak for Western Reserve alums?  Or just figure they could outlive them?! :P
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on August 06, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
I'm sure ADL70 can speak to this this
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 06, 2010, 06:40:31 PM
A lot of Western Reserve alums were indeed disillusioned by the "Case" rebranding effort.

Nevertheless, I use the term "Case" all the time, and "Case," "Case Western," "Case Reserve," "Case Western Reserve," and "CWRU," are all used.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 06, 2010, 06:41:47 PM
Gang,

I come back from Korea in a week.

I'll be in D.C. this summer for Dari language training prior to my deployment to Afghanistan.

What are the best places in the Greater D.C. area to catch some Division III football action?

Catholic U.?

Johns Hopkins?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 10:11:50 PM
I would go Johns Hopkins or Randolph-Macon (about 90 minutes south). As a Catholic grad, I can tell you they're not very good right now. Neither is McDaniel, which is about an hour and 20 minutes north/east of town.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 08, 2010, 09:25:45 PM
Does Rosetta Stone have Dari?

In formal usage Case Western Reserve is preferred for the first use, then you are free to pick your own shortened form.

Adelbert was used for teams from Reserve for a couple of years until the teams were merged.  Then Case Reserve was preferred.  It is what the NCAA used until a year or two ago and continues in the fight song and the booster organization Case Reserve Athletic Club.  Currently the NCAA uses Case.

Mr. Y hit it on the head.  Those of us who started at Western Reserve are now over 60.  We may be old, but that means we are in our "giving years."



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 08, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 08, 2010, 09:25:45 PM
Does Rosetta Stone have Dari?

In formal usage Case Western Reserve is preferred for the first use, then you are free to pick your own shortened form.

Adelbert was used for teams from Reserve for a couple of years until the teams were merged.  Then Case Reserve was preferred.  It is what the NCAA used until a year or two ago and continues in the fight song and the booster organization Case Reserve Athletic Club.  Currently the NCAA uses Case.

Mr. Y hit it on the head.  Those of us who started at Western Reserve are now over 60.  We may be old, but that means we are in our "giving years."





When I was at Mount I dated a girl from Western Reserve. I remember both fondly. If I remember correctly WRU were known as the Redcats, but I cannot recall what Case Institute of Technology's school name.

IMHO I prefer the CWRU reference. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 08, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 08, 2010, 09:25:45 PM
Does Rosetta Stone have Dari?

In formal usage Case Western Reserve is preferred for the first use, then you are free to pick your own shortened form.

Adelbert was used for teams from Reserve for a couple of years until the teams were merged.  Then Case Reserve was preferred.  It is what the NCAA used until a year or two ago and continues in the fight song and the booster organization Case Reserve Athletic Club.  Currently the NCAA uses Case.

Mr. Y hit it on the head.  Those of us who started at Western Reserve are now over 60.  We may be old, but that means we are in our "giving years."

Bingo!  That's why 'Case' better be careful! ;)

I'm also over 60 - IWU better not do anything to p*** me off! :P
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 08, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Case Rough Riders  After legendary coach Ray Rider.

CWRU recorded a 6% increase in giving last year.  Pretty good for these times.

I usually write CWRU, but have pretty much surrendered to saying "Case."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 09, 2010, 06:01:35 AM
ADL70,

I believe that Rosetta Stone does have Afghan Persian (Dari), but I'm not sure.  I'm almost certain that they have Iranian Persian (Farsi).

But I don't really think that that's such a great way to learn.

I'm going to the Defense Language Institute, and taking a 7 hour per day total immersion course for four months.  I suspect that I'll learn the language better in that type of environment.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: EveryOneAround on August 14, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
How is case looking in camp? What kind of depth do they have at quarterback?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on August 26, 2010, 12:37:29 PM
OK too quiet here with just over one week to season. 
Good luck to all UAA teams. I hope everyone is 7 and 0 going into the conference season. 
GO BEARS!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UChicago Maroon on August 26, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
I heard from some guys on campus that UChicago is looking good.  Defense is controlling the O at times.  Ten starters back on D and more size in the line and tons of quick freshman LB.  Maroons added speed at WR to already go along with Wolff and Brizzolara.  Oium picked-up right where he left off last season throwing the ball.  Tommy Parks scrimmaged yesterday and along with Adarkwa and a freshman RB ran well.  Only nine days and the Maroons head to Wisconsin for game #1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 26, 2010, 06:07:00 PM
Coach Maloney usually puts a good team together. I  know UC is going to be much better this year. You could see them putting the right pieces together the last couple of years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
This is probably the most "open" that the UAA has been at least in the past three seasons for one reason.

Whalen has graduated, and no one is really certain if CWRU's success over the last three seasons was a product of a few above-average recruiting classes buoyed by one extraordinary player OR a product of top-to-bottom improvement of the roster.  Has CWRU improved the talent across the board so much that they are head-and-shoulders above the other three squads?

My gut tells me that the answer is somewhere in between.  I think CWRU's overall talent level is notably better than the pre-Whalen era, but the dominance of the last few years was in large part due to Whalen's extraordinary play.  This is not to disparage CWRU's fine accomplishments in any way; it's just my viewpoint.  FWIW, I felt that I was an average UAA ballplayer on an average UAA team that rode the coattails of a few superior guys (Sivek, Gimson, Lewis in particular) to a couple of decent seasons.  Since those guys have graduated, CMU fell back to the .500 mark and stayed there.  I think CWRU might be in a similar position right now.

IF - and this is a big IF - Case's new QB is 90 percent of the player that Whalen was, they are still the heavy favorites.

If he is an average-ish UAA quarterback, then CWRU falls back to the field and everybody is jockeying for position.  During my career at CMU (2004-07) all four teams won the UAA title one time - and I think that kind of parity is the norm in the UAA rather than the exception.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2010, 09:38:12 PM
It's usually me who stirs the pot, so good to hear from WashU, UChi, and CMU.  Hope you'll continue to contribute throught the year.

There has been little news of late from The Circle and I wasn't going to reply to snide reply #2079.  But now from famine to feast, as Kickoff came out on Tues (and anyone posting here should pony up the $10), CWRU's roster got posted on Weds, and the media guide on Thurs.

Thirty-two freshmen (including the nine I had previously posted about), three new upperclassmen, and two previous players returning are new to the Spartans this year.

Trevor LaBarge, a transfer from Colorado where he was a preferred walk-on could be the answer at FB.

Running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRW-GhTRG0M

Run Blocking:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7Mpepu-rs

Pass Blocking:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19BETbKHxw

Receiving:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct_d03xkG94

Also sophomore Jake Bell (6-3 290) from Ravenna an All-Ohio lineman who attended CWRU last year but didn't play football, will suit up this year.

High profile freshmen include:

    LB Shay Baker (6-0 235 on the roster, but 6-2 225 on hs one) 2nd Team All-Dist

    LB David Charles 3rd Team All-Ohio

    DB Jake LaFleur 2nd Team All-Dist

    LB Austin Webb 2nd Tean All-Dist

As I anticpated Kyle Snyder is moving from CB to QB.  The most interesting switch is DE Christian Anderson to FB.

The d3 gurus have the Spartans (#76) right behind Allegheny (68) and Wooster (74) and just ahead of John Carroll (81) and Rochester (87).

The other UAA teams are 121-Chicago, 134-WUStL, and 146-CMU.

Amen to the 7-0 comment!

It's hard to quantify Baum v Whalen.  I think he's proved to be a better than average UAA QB.  He played about 3/4 of a win v Kenyon in 2008 and started in a win against Rochester that year too.

It's a shame Parks' career has been plagued by injuries.

Wow, this might be a first--posts from all four teams in the same day--certainly so for a non-game week.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 29, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
ADL70,

What is your prediction for the CWRU v. JCU game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 30, 2010, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on August 29, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
ADL70,

What is your prediction for the CWRU v. JCU game?

MajorSpartan,

For what is worth, the majority of posters thus far picked CWRU to beat JCU by 6.5 or more on the OAC Pickem's. ADL70 may or may not agree! :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 31, 2010, 12:06:05 AM
Well, I hope that that's true, but I'm going to refrain from picking a CWRU victory at this point.

I have a feeling that it'll be hard for us to recover from Whalen's graduation, but hopefully, I'm wrong.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 01, 2010, 11:00:19 AM
Just a heads up that the CCIW pick ems have started for this year.  If you wish to participate, the more the merrier.  Come join us!

For the rules, you can see Mugsy's post #672 on the CCIW pick em page.  Please note:  Picks are due this week by Friday at 5 PM (Central Time) due to the Friday Night Augustana game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2010, 10:00:57 PM
PD re CWRU v JCU
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2010/09/fast-rising_case_western_reser.html

Short memories there.  CWRU is 1-0 v OAC with an 11 point win by a 6-4 CWRU v 3-7 Otterbein in 2003.

I'll go out on a limb and predict CWRU by 9.

Go Spartans, Tartans, Bears, and Maroons!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 04, 2010, 10:20:27 AM
I guess I'll pick CWRU, simply because I hate picking against my alma mater, but I'm not going to give any more than one point.

On another note, one of my other alma maters, the University of Houston, begins its march to BCS busting immortality today.  The Cougars' QB, Case Keenum, begins his Heisman bid today as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 04, 2010, 09:03:19 PM
CWRU 23 JCU 7 start of 4th
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on September 04, 2010, 10:22:54 PM
Nice game Case. Looks like the OAC coaches weren't wrong to pick JCU to finish near the bottom
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 04, 2010, 10:25:18 PM
Gosh.

I would have never guessed that the game would be that lopsided.

Is JCU that bad, or is Coach D simply a genius?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on September 04, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
I want to be careful not to minimize a great game by Case Western, but the Coaches Pre-Season Poll picked JCU to finish 8th in the conference of 10. I watched the whole games on live video and was very impressed with the game the coach laid out and the game they played.

The Blue Streaks on the other hand, tried a Pro-set, I, option and God knows what else but they didn't execute anything well. If it wasn't for Frank Ross, they wouldn't even have looked as good as they did, which was "no so hot".

I'll give the Spartans the benefit of the doubt and say congratulations, you had Regis and Arth scratching plays in dirt.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 04, 2010, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on September 04, 2010, 10:25:18 PM
Gosh.

I would have never guessed that the game would be that lopsided.

Is JCU that bad, or is Coach D simply a genius?

The majority of posters were correct in picking CWRU to win by 7 or more! Not surprised at all. It will be a long year for JCU and maybe a good year for CWRU, we'll see! :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 05, 2010, 12:25:26 AM
Much to my surprise, CWRU's linemen dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OldSparty44 on September 05, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
Hi gang. New to the board. I am not at all surprised with Case's win last night because the strength of this football team is the O and D-lines. All 4 defensive linemen have started at some point and 4 of the 5 offensive linemen have at least a year of starts under their belt with the RT being the only new face this season. While the loss of Whalen is a big one,  don't overlook the fact that he was able to make those plays because of great blocking up front. And a laser rocket arm doesn't hurt either:) Great win Spartans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 05, 2010, 09:48:12 PM
Congrats to all UAA teams.... a complete winning week..
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UChicago Maroon on September 06, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Four victories for the UAA schools- Outstanding!!!

Chicago had several kicking game errors and major pens. to set-up three Beloit TDs.  The Maroons were deep in Beloit territory 5 times in the first half and scored only twice.  Went for it on 4th down on 3 others and did not contact.  Passing game was off, grass, big crown to the field, Beloit d could all have been factors.  Oline gave up no sacks, issued one when QB fumbled snap.  Adarkwa had over 150 yards rushing.  DLine took control in the second-half.  Rotated DLineman in and out.  Sargent had 4/5 scaks and another 4/5 tackles for loss.  Maroons were in much better condition than Beloit and it showed in the fourth quarter.  TD pass to Wolff with less than a minute to go put UChicago ahead and game over when a freshman safety Burandt from Cinninati intercepted the ball.
They must play alot better to beat Concordia (8-2) last year, Elmhurst and Wabash the games in September.  Kick-off at home at 6pm vs Concordia.  Come out and cheer the Maroons on!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2010, 12:33:06 PM
A Great Saturday for the UAA, especially UChi and CMU winning on the road against higher ranked teams (d3 Kickoff).

Speaking of ranking, CWRU gained two spots to #35, despite losing one point and CMU lost its two points.

Who could imagine CMU could win being out gained 2 to 1 in rushing yards and with half of their yards coming on just two plays.

CWRU's answer to what to do when you lose an All-American QB was run the ball.  On a windy night not conducive to passing, Joey Baum was nonetheless 9-13-0- 133 yds 2 Tds.  And Billy Deitmen gained 164 yds on 31 carries, the most by a Spartan back since #44 James Rosenbury gained 185 v Denison in the inaugural game at Case Field in 2005.

Welcome Old Sparty 44

On the D side, the LB issue was answered as Jr Jacob Adams lead the team with 12 tackles including 2.5 TFL.  To me the jury is still out on the deep secondary, since although JCU completed few than 50% of its passes, there were four dropped passes and open receivers were missed a few times.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
CWRU @ Rochester Game Notes

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2010/case_fb_notes_rochester.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 09, 2010, 11:43:52 AM
CMU-Allegheny game notes

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/gamenotes/2010/allegheny.pdf

Important game for CMU as far as momentum goes.  Gheny this week, Hobart next week, followed by three very winnable games (Kenyon, Hiram, OWU) before a brutal closing stretch.  Tartans need a fast start.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
Last year the Tartans got a close win over GCC and a close loss to AC.

The Gator's win over Bethany even at 28-0 wasn't particularly impressive.

The game will be a good measuring stick for who is improving and who isn't.

I see the Frosh QB Kalkstein you were hyping has won the job.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 10, 2010, 09:30:49 AM
Agreed, ADL.  Good measuring stick is a good way to put it.  I'm pleased that Kalkstein won the job...I'll have to check out the first home game to see him play in person.  Strange that the only guys on the team I "know" are all seniors now.

Impressive start by CWRU, by the way.  Baum certainly put up nice #'s in game 1.  And Deitman had a big day - just wondering, do you think they will ride him that much over the course of the year?  They've been a RB-by-committee for the past few years, and Deitman's been a part of the rotation all along, but he may be the featured guy now...do you think he'll see 20 carries a game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OldSparty44 on September 10, 2010, 07:24:41 PM
Good luck to all the UAA teams this weekend. Tough games for all four teams but still very winable. Hoping for another four game sweep.

I think anywhere between 15-20 carries per game for Deitmen is a strong possibility this year. He looked great on Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
Not sure why Billy got all the carries in the firs half.  Bush was in on the first CWRU play of the game, but then was MIA rest of the hald.  The the two split second half carries.

Dietmen hobbled off the next-to-last (non-knee) play of the game,. May mean nothing, but..,
In the second half Doetmen and Bush split the carries evenly.

Twenty carries each for Dietmen and Bush, Twenty throws by Baum, and ten other plays would be a geat breakdown to me.

BTW Baum was the starter v UR in 2008, and with help from the D and special teams got a big win.

Over on the NCAC pick 'em Allegheny is a 13.5 point favorite and it's 10-7 for the Gators to cover (I took CMU and the points).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 11, 2010, 10:35:36 PM
Whew!

That was WAAAAAY too close for comfort!

From the stats, it looks like this game was the complete OPPOSITE of our first.  347 of our 403 total yards were from PASSING, as opposed to last week when we ran for a great deal of yardage.

Gotta wonder what happened to our running game.  We gained only 56 yards on 31 attempts; less than 2 yards per carry.  Good thing Joey Baum had a career passing day!

Who the Hell says that you have to be able to run the ball in order to win?  This game is proof to the contrary!

;)

Anyway, hopefully, following the bye week, we'll have a more balanced attack in store for our remaining opponents.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 12, 2010, 09:44:34 AM
According to the broadcast, both Bush (hamstring) and Deitmen (ankle) were playing hurt.  Not good news that at less than 100% they were seemingly better than what was on the bench.  FB LaBarge only had one carry for no gain; that on a third and one.

The three picks for Baum (one apparently a tipped ball) spoil what would have been a very good performance.

Good time for the open date.  Denison could every well be 3-0 (OWU, Earlham, and Hiram) by the next game.

Way to go Maroons!!!  Tough next two weeks though with Elmhurst and Wabash.

CMU stayed with Allegheny losing by at TD.  When did CMU last have more passing yards than rushing?

Wooster followed up a 24 point loss to BW with a surprisngly close 4 point loss to Wabash.

Hiram got its first win since 2008 over Kenyon.

I'm planning on being at the WUStL game at Wittenberg next week (I grew up a couple blocks from the Witt campus).  Any Bear fans making the trip?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OldSparty44 on September 12, 2010, 01:33:38 PM
Great win for the Spartans last night. Caught the last quarter of the game online. A little adversity never hurt anyone. The real eye opener yesterday, though, was Chicago beating up on a tremendously improved, and NAC preseason favorite, Concordia Chicago team. Very impressive Maroons. I'm looking forward to some great conference battles.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on September 13, 2010, 03:15:26 PM
What's the word on CMU this season?  Saw they lost to Alleghany on Saturday.

Any insights are appreciated.

Thx!

TGP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2010, 08:06:01 PM
Agree about adversity 44.  Baum proved his mettle.  Dare I say that final drive was Whalenesque.

The gurus questioned if the Spartans could win close games.  A-Yes
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 14, 2010, 12:39:27 PM
I just watched the replay of the first half of the JCU game yesterday and I was specifically looking for a replay of the slant to Nicely that was called incomplete in the 2nd quarter.  They have a perfect camera angle of the play on the replay and it sure looks to me as if he made a great catch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2010, 08:39:41 PM
I agree about Nicely's play Jeff.  He clearly had his hand under the ball all the way.

Hey 44, way to go Grinnell!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on September 15, 2010, 11:45:40 AM
My Hobart-CMU preview is up for any UAA fans that may be interested at gohobart.blogspot.com

CMU has posted their game notes:

Hobart vs. Carnegie Mellon (http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/gamenotes/2010/hobart.pdf)

You can also get CMU's Coach Lackner's views on the game at the following link:

D3football.com Press Release with link to Lackner audio clip (http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=3431)


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 16, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Nice writeup, TGP.

Bart-CMU has been a competitive series, even with the edge being 3-0 Hobart.  All three games have been close & competitive.  I fear, as you suggested in your preview, that this year's game may break the mold...

I think Bart's got a pretty significant edge, coming off such a big Week 1 victory.  CMU has looked OK, but the defense is just too shaky.  CMU running game will have to be productive & chew up some clock.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on September 16, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 16, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Nice writeup, TGP.

Bart-CMU has been a competitive series, even with the edge being 3-0 Hobart.  All three games have been close & competitive.  I fear, as you suggested in your preview, that this year's game may break the mold...

I think Bart's got a pretty significant edge, coming off such a big Week 1 victory.  CMU has looked OK, but the defense is just too shaky.  CMU running game will have to be productive & chew up some clock.

Thx - CMU really has been one of Bart's better OOC opponents; all the games have been VERY close.  CMU can certainly help themselves by avoiding some of the mistakes Dickinson made in Week 2 which posted Bart 21 points.  If CMU can control the LOS and keep the Hobart offense to three and outs (although the Statesmen due tend to go for it on fourth down pretty regularly), it will be another close contest.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
Props to the new CWRU SID for a great job with Gsme Notes.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2010/FBnotesvsdenison.pdf

If you're watching the game be alert for new #s necessitated by the throwback jerseys.  At least this year we don't hve to guess.

Tough week last time for UAA. 

Chicago has another tough test at Wabash.

Carnegie should get back on track hosting Kenyon as should WUStL hosting Westminster.

CWRU should get to #34 hosting Denison.

Spartans fans can get a peek at Allegeny on FCS this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 23, 2010, 07:05:00 AM
I still say that the "Throwback" and "Heritage" Weeks are a really COOL concept.

A nice new "tradition."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on September 23, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 22, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
Props to the new CWRU SID for a great job with Gsme Notes.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2010/FBnotesvsdenison.pdf

If you're watching the game be alert for new #s necessitated by the throwback jerseys.  At least this year we don't hve to guess.

Tough week last time for UAA.  

Chicago has another tough test at Wabash.

Carnegie should get back on track hosting Kenyon as should WUStL hosting Westminster.

CWRU should get to #34 hosting Denison.

Spartans fans can get a peek at Allegeny on FCS this weekend.
Does anyone else  think here that Chicago has at least a decent chance (like 30/70) of winning at Wabash?  Their offense has been stellar IMO although they seem to give up a lot on the D side of the ball.  Wabash on the other hand while a very good team may be a little down from the past few years (although they do put up some points).  Might be a 42-35 type of game.  If I were picking a spread I would go with Wabash by about 7.5
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: joelmama on September 23, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
Does anyone else  think here that Chicago has at least a decent chance (like 30/70) of winning at Wabash?  Their offense has been stellar IMO although they seem to give up a lot on the D side of the ball.  Wabash on the other hand while a very good team may be a little down from the past few years (although they do put up some points).  Might be a 42-35 type of game.  If I were picking a spread I would go with Wabash by about 7.5

Not really.  Scoring 56 on Concordia-Chicago doesn't make an offense "stellar."  They scored 28 on Beloit...OK...Beloit gave up 31 and 33 points over the next two games.  Chicago only scored 20 against Elmhurst, and 13 of those were in the fourth quarter with the game long decided. 

Believe me, I'd LOVE to see Chicago win.  The UAA has done very well against everyone BUT Wabash/Wittenberg since the start of the rivalry, and it would be great to see a UAA team knock off Bash..  But I don't see it this week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
Maj--I just wish they'd had the foresight [and $] to get all 99 numbers.

This year's LGs haven't proved to be the powerhouse of the past (at least not yet).  They struggled in the first half against OWU.  The door may be open a crack for the Maroons to slip though, but only a crack.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 23, 2010, 09:12:40 PM
ADL70,

Out of curiosity, has any thought been given to allowing the CWRU students to choose a mascot, given that they didn't choose "Spartans?"

I'm just wondering if they'd resurrect one of the old mascots.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on September 24, 2010, 06:48:52 AM
Major .... are you referring to a mascot for Heritage game or for the school today ... we do have a mascot ... and he does not tackle the other teams .... like another Ohio school ..  :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 24, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
According to the University Archives:


The Captain's Council, captains of the athletic teams, and the student newspaper, The Observer, sponsored a contest to name the merged Case and WRU teams. There was no response to the contest. According to The Observer, the members of the football team picked the name. According to University historian Clarence "Red" Cramer and Athletic Director Edward W. Lewis, the Captain's Council selected the name.
 

In hindsight, I wish it had been CWRU Blue Crew, but singular nicknames weren't so common in 1970.  I think that might have helped the CWRU acronym catch on.

Then too there were the Blue Meanies of the Yellow Submarine, but they were villians not heroes.  Might be a good name for the Spartan Defense, although Phalanx would have historic significance.

The door slamming on Chicago was the injury to Oium.
 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 25, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
Totally dominating performance on Heritage Day.

Case had over 500 yards of total offense.  Denison only had something like 150.  If it weren't for a CWRU turnover deep in their own territory, it would have been a shutout.  DU only had like 1 or 2 first downs in the entire first half.

37-7.

If Case keeps playing like this, then we may be looking at our fourth straight playoff berth.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2010, 12:24:25 PM
Major

The road gets a whole lot tougher next week.  Allegheny held Wittenberg to under 300 yds offense and were one might-have-been personal foul away from having a long FG try to send the game into overtime.  Wittenberg was #6 and put an identical 37-7, 500+ yard, hurting on WUStL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 26, 2010, 12:38:53 PM
Yeah, the Allegheny game will be a very tough game.  It will be Homecoming Weekend, so there should be a pretty large crowd.  Any plans to make the trip up, ADL?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
That had been my plan, but my sister is coming in from Texas, so family matters rule.

Plan B is Wooster and CMU.

When was the last time a mop-up QB was the game's leading rusher?  And only only 9 rushes (8 really, one wasa a sack).

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 27, 2010, 11:15:43 AM
ALD70,

How does CRWU match up against Allegheny and who do your like? :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 27, 2010, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 26, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
When was the last time a mop-up QB was the game's leading rusher?  And only only 9 rushes (8 really, one wasa a sack).

You're aware that the opponent was Denison, yes?  Not sure I'd get too wide-eyed about stat stuffing against a team that went to OT with Hiram.  Perspective, please. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2010, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 27, 2010, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 26, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
When was the last time a mop-up QB was the game's leading rusher?  And only only 9 rushes (8 really, one wasa a sack).

You're aware that the opponent was Denison, yes?  Not sure I'd get too wide-eyed about stat stuffing against a team that went to OT with Hiram.  Perspective, please. 

I was only comparing him to CWRU players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2010, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 27, 2010, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 26, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
When was the last time a mop-up QB was the game's leading rusher?  And only only 9 rushes (8 really, one wasa a sack).

You're aware that the opponent was Denison, yes?  Not sure I'd get too wide-eyed about stat stuffing against a team that went to OT with Hiram.  Perspective, please. 

Wally, I don't think this was to gloat about stat-stuffing.  I think it was merely an observation.  ADL is a pretty level-headed fan that understands the different levels of play within D3, and is certainly aware of the difference in quality from the bottom of the NCAC to the top.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 30, 2010, 09:43:43 AM
ExTartanPlayer (or any other CMU fan/poster),

If any of you watched last week's game, what happened?  Is CMU that down this year?  Is Kenyon better?  (I find that hard to believe since they lost to Hiram by more points than they lost to CMU.)  Did CMU just play a terrible game and they're really a much better team than Kenyon?  Inquiring minds need to know!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 30, 2010, 11:49:28 AM
jeff, I haven't seen them live this year, but I have a couple of comments.

CMU has been a little Jekyll-and-Hyde this year.  Two strong efforts to open the season (win over decent GCC team and close loss to very good Allegheny team), then a bad loss to Hobart (trailed 35-7 in fourth quarter).  I think they were glad just to get out of the Kenyon game with a win.  Having been through a few ups and downs at CMU as a frosh/soph, I know that after a loss or two things tend to feel pretty crappy around there, and you'll take ANY win.

If you look at the boxscore & recap, the Kenyon game was kind of weird.  CMU completely controlled the game for 25 minutes, and in the second half Kenyon's offense held the ball for three long drives - 9 plays (TD), 14 plays (missed FG), and 16 plays (last-gasp turnover on downs at the CMU 17 with 4 minutes to go).

I don't put much stock into comparing scores - to be honest, I still expect CMU to beat Hiram pretty easily, although Hiram certainly appears improved.  One other thing worth noting is that even at our "best" CMU typically didn't blow teams out the way CWRU has recently because of the nature of our move-the-chains, ball-control offense.  Since the start of CWRU's run of success, they've always rang up bigger offensive numbers than we ever did.  CWRU probably averaged more points-per-game even in 2006, going 5-5, than we did going 11-1.  For example, in our 2006 playoff season, we won a bunch of grind-it-out games by scores like 20-10, 27-0, 10-7, 14-7.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 30, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
Thanks, ExTartan.  So I assume Kenyon must have a halfway decent offense this year to be able to put together long drives against CMU?  I would have expected them to have trouble stringing together first downs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 30, 2010, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on September 30, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
Thanks, ExTartan.  So I assume Kenyon must have a halfway decent offense this year to be able to put together long drives against CMU?  I would have expected them to have trouble stringing together first downs.

Don't really know about Kenyon's offense, I wasn't there.  I've read through the Kenyon boxscores and they've moved the ball pretty well in each game (admittedly against crappy competition) - they've just shot themselves in the foot.  I'll also admit that I don't think CMU is really that great this year - I just can't imagine them losing to Hiram or OWU (especially once I read the Kenyon-Hiram game story, see below).  The bottom of the NCAC has done AWFUL against the UAA teams.  It's funny - if you added the UAA teams to the NCAC, I think all four UAA teams would be in the top half of the conference - Bash and Witt clearly on top, CWRU next, the rest of the UAA teams probably about even with Allegheny and Wooster, and then the awful Kenyon/Denison/Hiram/OWU/Oberlin group at the bottom.

Now that I read the Kenyon-Hiram story, it's actually pretty funny how they blew that game.  They ran a remarkable 95 plays against (normal is about 70) for 430 yards - but:

1) They were stopped at the 1-yard line twice in the first half, resulting in a pair of 18-yard field goals that probably should have been TD's.  Nonetheless they still had a 13-0 lead at the half.

2) Early in the 3rd quarter, they had a blocked FG returned for a touchdown

3) Later in the third quarter, they fumbled a shotgun snap at the Hiram 2-yard line that was returned the length of the field for a touchdown. 

Hiram took a 14-13 lead in the third quarter without running an offensive snap.  Basically, Kenyon dominated Hiram and totally pissed the game away.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 30, 2010, 04:32:14 PM
Ha, I should have read the box/recap of that game.  That's pretty crazy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 30, 2010, 07:12:45 PM
Gang,

Here's some good news for the University Athletic Association.

The Times of London just released its rankings of the WORLD'S Top 200 universities.

The University Athletic Association did VERY well, placing six of its members on the list; all in the Top 65:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html (http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html)

12) Chicago
20) Carnegie-Mellon
38) Washington U. St. Louis
60) NYU
61) Emory U.
65) CWRU

For some perspective, consider where some other top schools placed:

Dartmouth: 99
William and Mary: 75
Brown U. : 55
Tufts: 53
RPI: 104

I think that this helps cement our claim to be the "Ivy League" of Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 01, 2010, 11:30:29 AM
Allegheny will be the best team the Spartans have faced in the regular season since the streak began.  The 2007 CMU team I would consider the closest opponent to them.

The schedule may favor CWRU.  A week off then an easy game where the starters were pretty much out after midway through the third quarter.  Allegheny comes off a tough loss to Wittenberg.  They could have a let down.

Allegheny is strong in all phases of the game.  If they have a weakness it may be the running game.  The Spartan team that played JCU and Denison will beat the Allegheny team that played CMU.  The Gator team that played Wittenberg will beat the CWRU team that played Rochester.

In the NCAC pick-em the Spartans are a 3.5 pt favorite and better than 2 to 1 they are taking the Spartans.

The game is more crucial to Allegheny's post season hopes than CWRU's, unless Allegheny beats Wabash and Wabash beats Wittenberg.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 02, 2010, 02:25:22 AM
Here's a preview from the CWRU student newspaper: http://media.www.cwruobserver.com/media/storage/paper1370/news/2010/10/01/Sports/Gameday.Preview.Cwru.Vs.Allegheny-3939593.shtml

Should be a good game with good attendence!

And a quick mention in the News-Herald: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/10/02/sports/nh3119951.txt

PD, where you at??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 02, 2010, 02:30:19 AM
Quote from: E.115 on October 02, 2010, 02:25:22 AM

PD, where you at??

I take that back, the Plain Dealer has a little mention too of the CWRU game: http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2010/10/preview_capsules_for_this_week.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2010, 10:15:39 AM
Welcome E115
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
Spartans leading 17-9 less than 2 mins to go inside the 15.  Allegheny LB gets helment on ball scoop and 85 yard score for Allegheny.  Twopoint conversion ties the game.   CWRU TD and PAT in OT.  Allegheny TD and Spartans block second palacement of game to win 24-23.

Spartans were called several times for holding, but Allegheny none despite glaring holds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 02, 2010, 05:51:54 PM
WOW!!!

What a THRILLING victory!!!!

And Allegheny was definitely NO pushover!

Maybe CWRU still has an outside shot at a playoff bid.  Let's hope that we take care of business these next few weeks, and set ourselves up for a strong showing in conference.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 02, 2010, 06:14:46 PM
I agree Alleghany has a good team .. Case stood their ground against a good team from NCAC. That could help with the rankings and hopefully Case can break into top 25 soon with a few more wins.

Alleghany Fans on the roof of garage were little rowdy even during pregame ..... but they had a good following and much respect for their Program and Fans.

Now I am going to dry off and have a hot cup of Tea .... bone chilling rain all day sucks.

GO BLUE !!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2010, 08:05:54 PM
Poppa N   You came through loud and clear on the broadcast just before Shaun's OT TD, "Come on O line!"
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 02, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
Bravo CWRU!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 03, 2010, 08:19:20 AM
Good to be heard .... today I have no voice as usual ... even Tea and Honey is not helping.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 03, 2010, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
Spartans leading 17-9 less than 2 mins to go inside the 15.  Allegheny LB gets helment on ball scoop and 85 yard score for Allegheny.  Twopoint conversion ties the game.   CWRU TD and PAT in OT.  Allegheny TD and Spartans block second palacement of game to win 24-23.

Spartans were called several times for holding, but Allegheny none despite glaring holds.

Congrats ALD70 on your Spartans with a tough win against Allegheny! +k :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 03, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
Spartans were called several times for holding, but Allegheny none despite glaring holds.

I'm not one that normally thinks whining about the refs is OK, but I couldn't believe how lopsided the holdings calls seemed to be.  CWRU had 6 sacks, but there were also a few times when Allegheny avoided a sack with an obvious hold that always somehow went uncalled.  Didn't seem like they missed a single hold on us, though.

From my seat on the 45 yard line under the press box, the loudspeaker was difficult to hear, but PoppaN's voice came through loud and clear. :)

I was pretty much in chock after the fumble and scoop-and-score.  After driving all the way down the field, I couldn't have been any more confident we had the game in the bag.  Three runs (even for little or no gain) and a short field goal would have given Allegheny about 1 minute and no timeouts to work with, down either 8 or 11 (depending on the outcome of the field goal).  I played this all out in my mind about 3 seconds before the fumble.

I thought Baum played a great game, especially with the wet conditions that couldn't have made it very easy to throw the ball on target.  Over 75% completion percentage, almost 300 yards, 3 TDs, and no INTs.  The play I was impressed with the most was near the end of the game when Allegheny put pressure on him and they had Homyk smothered on the 5 yard out.  He pump faked to Homyk and 3 defenders jumped up to knock the pass down.  He was surrounded and I thought for sure he was going to get sacked, but he hung in the pocket long enough to find Nicely on the deep out.  As great as Whalen was for 4 years for us, it's definitely a change to see a quarterback who looks comfortable staying in the pocket.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 04, 2010, 12:36:27 AM
Here are the two best write-ups of the CWRU-Allegheny game:

News Herald: http://news-herald.com/articles/2010/10/03/sports/nh3123478.txt

Case Western Athletics page: http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2010/casevsalleghenystory.html


Also, while googling for these stories, I came across that Case Western and Jacob Adams had a blurb in USAToday.  Pretty neat:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/10/st-johns-byu-albany-and-baylor-among-others-by-the-numbers/1
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2010, 08:26:24 AM
Picture from the game on the front page here.

http://www.d3football.com/images/2010/case-defense-295.jpg?

Maybe Adams will get an AOW in UAA and TOW on d3.com
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 04, 2010, 08:33:04 PM
Glad someone can hear me .. I always have a sore throat on Sundays ...

My heart skipped a beat for Derrick on that play .... a great player and this happens .... I know he is happy to come away with this one as the Team should be too.

Also had a flashback of the Wabash Playoff loss when it happened ... but these Spartans had time enough to redeem themselves and rose to it. Kudos for a great win against an established program and NCAC member.

There were some missed calls, blown calls, and flat out ignored calls .. but give these guys credit because it can't be easy running around inside all that organized confusion of players. We all have the right to be wrong ... hehe
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 05, 2010, 08:29:42 PM
Joey Baum leads DIII in completion percentage at 73.9%.

A scheduling quirk has CWRU playing, in consecutive weeks, Allegheny, Oberlin, and Hiram the week after each has played Wittenberg.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 06, 2010, 12:51:33 PM
Bored at work....here's a quick review of the UAA teams at the (almost) halfway point of the season:

CWRU (4-0) still is the clearcut favorite, although it's hard to tell if they are really good or merely "good" this year.  They opened with an impressive win over a so-so John Carroll team, struggled to beat a hard-luck Rochester team that's now 0-4, thrashed a so-so Denison team, then beat what LOOKS like a good Allegheny team in OT.  With Oberlin and Hiram up next, it's hard to see Case tested until the Wooster game, and they are really still a favorite there....but I think Wooster can test them (after all, Woo only lost to Wabash 21-17).

Chicago (3-2) has wins over three so-so teams and losses against two pretty good teams.  Decent measuring stick game against a maybe-not-so-awful Denison team, then Kenyon, then hitting the UAA schedule.  I think they'll be 5-2 going into UAA play.

CMU (3-2) has done about what one might expect.  Beat the three lesser opponents, lost to the two better ones (even though that loss to Hobart is starting to look kind of ugly).  One more layup this week against a crappy OWU team and then hitting the meat of the schedule.  Probably 4-3 entering UAA play.

WashU (2-2) opened by demolishing a bad Knox team they lost to Rhodes, who lost to Westminster (Mo.)...but then WashU went out and pummeled Westminster.  Decent games the next two weeks with Wabash and Wooster, then a breather against Oberlin before hitting the UAA schedule.  Could be 4-3 or 3-4 entering UAA play (depending on how they do with Wooster).


**Side note: I will be very intrigued to see the Wooster games vs. WashU and CWRU over the next few weeks.  Wooster opened with road losses at Baldwin-Wallace and Wabash (both currently undefeated), but they did play Wabash tough, and they have since run off three wins against so-so competition.  Don't be deceived by the apparent "close" game with Denison....that game was 31-7 in the fourth quarter before Denison put up three touchdowns in the last six minutes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 06, 2010, 01:03:02 PM
I also would add that I'm starting to question the UAA-NCAC scheduling arrangement (which seemed like a good idea at first).  The problem is that the NCAC has two really good teams, two more pretty good teams, and a bunch of BAD teams.

I wonder if the guaranteed games against that bottom half are going to keep the UAA teams mucking about at their current level (a few easy wins every year against Kenyon/Denison/Oberlin/Hiram/OWU) without providing much incentive to seek out some better nonconference games.  Really, of the NCAC teams, it seems like Allegheny and Wooster are the only ones that are truly a "good" matchup for the UAA teams.  Everybody else is either too good or too bad.

**Admittedly, this cuts both ways - the NCAC "elite" probably feel a bit hamstrung by this as well.  Wabash and Wittenberg already have enough crap games on their schedule and would probably prefer to schedule a good CCIW-type team rather than play CMU or Chicago. 

Problem for the UAA teams, I guess, is that dumping the arrangement leaves them with SO MANY holes on the schedule.  Better to get six guaranteed noncon games (even if four are cupcakes) than risk extra bye weeks and possibly not filling out the schedule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 06, 2010, 03:02:42 PM
Or be like WashU and have Wit Wooster and Wabash 3 of NCAC's top 4.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 06, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 06, 2010, 01:03:02 PM
Problem for the UAA teams, I guess, is that dumping the arrangement leaves them with SO MANY holes on the schedule. 

The field is pretty wide open for scheduling games through the first 3-4 weeks of the season.  After that, it gets tough when most of D-III gets into conference play.  But there are games, and good games at that, available in October...if you're willing to travel (read: $pend) for them. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 06, 2010, 08:23:33 PM
I was checking out the defensive stats for CWRU and I realized 10-13 leading tacklers are underclassmen--only 3 seniors.  Some of the biggest defensive players Jacob Adams and Dale English are only juniors.

Also, here's the preview for the CWRU vs Oberlin game: http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2010/oberlingamenotes.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2010, 08:23:25 AM
The only reason I can image that Jacob Adams isn't on the d3football TOW is that CWRU didn't nominate him (he did get UAA honor).  It's a shame he isn't on the d3 team, because his 12 tackles, forced fumble, fumble recovery (although mysteriously he didn't get credit), QB hurry, return of blocked field goal (again not credited, although it was a short one), and, oh yeah, the blocked PAT that gave the Spartans the win, overshadow the mere seven tackles for the third LB on the d3 team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 09, 2010, 08:50:24 AM
For anyone not going to the game, Oberlin has live streaming video:

http://www.goyeo.com/index.aspx?path=football&tab=football

link in upper right corner

Pool B Standings thanks to Conrad on Pool B Board

Undefeated Teams
Case Western Reserve University (4-0, at Oberlin)
Wesley College (5-0, vs Newport News)
SUNY-Maritime (5-0, at Castleton State)

One Loss Teams
Salisbury University (4-1, open this week)
University of Minnesota, Morris (3-1, vs Martin Luther)
Norwich University (4-1, vs Gallaudet)

Three Pool B spots for Playoffs

Salisbury and Wesley meet week 9

As do Maritime and Norwich

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 09, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Gang,

I just "rebranded" myself.

I've changed my handle from "MajorSpartan" to "JagranSpartan."  

"Jagran" is the word for the rank of Major in the Army in Dari (Afghan Persian).  I learned that word in the course of my current Dari language training.  If I ever make Lieutenant Colonel, I can always change my handle to "DagaranCoog," and if I ever make Colonel, then I could be "DagarwalCoog."  Dagaran and Dagarwal are the Dari words for Lieutenant Colonel and Colonel respectively.

I'm told that these words for military ranks differ from those used in Farsi (Iranian Persian), as they are actually derived from the Pashto language rather than Persian itself.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 09, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 09, 2010, 08:50:24 AM
For anyone not going to the game, Oberlin has live streaming video:

http://www.goyeo.com/index.aspx?path=football&tab=football

link in upper right corner


Thanks ADL70.  I'm linked into the live stream right now.  The audio is a little bad though...

I have a good set-up today: OSU-Indiana on TV/CWRU-Oberlin on the computer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 09, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Bears win 24 20

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 09, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
Whew!!!

Oberlin gave us quite a scare!!!

I hope our defense plays better than that in the future!

Those guys had over 450 yards against us!  Nevertheless, we extended our winning streak against the Obies to 26 straight.  Can anyone tell me if that's the longest current streak by any one team against another in Division III?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 09, 2010, 05:26:18 PM
From the sound of the crowd one would have thought it was a CWRU home game.

Way to go Bears!!!  You now have wins against Wittenberg and Wabash in the last three years.  That ought to end the Wallys carping about the UAA schedule, but it won't.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 09, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 09, 2010, 05:26:18 PM
From the sound of the crowd one would have thought it was a CWRU home game.

Way to go Bears!!!  You now have wins against Wittenberg and Wabash in the last three years.  That ought to end the Wallys carping about the UAA schedule, but it won't.

+1.  Heck of a win for Wash U.

I can't be TOO hard on the Bash posters, since I pretty much agreed with them a few days ago that they'd get more from "harder" noncon games...but this is a pretty sweet win as far as UAA pride goes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 09, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
Also, a pretty cool observation...if WashU beats Wooster -or- Oberlin, that means that every UAA team will enter UAA play with a winning record (CWRU, CMU, and Chicago already have 4+ wins).  Not bad for a small-time league!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 09, 2010, 08:46:25 PM
Yep... matching up to be a great conference season
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 10, 2010, 08:51:03 AM
Hopping over from the basketball forums for a quick hello and congrats to the Bears! Great win.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2010, 08:58:18 AM
Welcome to the prolate spheroid side Wyndown.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 09, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
Whew!!!

Oberlin gave us quite a scare!!!

I hope our defense plays better than that in the future!

Those guys had over 450 yards against us!  Nevertheless, we extended our winning streak against the Obies to 26 straight.  Can anyone tell me if that's the longest current streak by any one team against another in Division III?

According to MtUnionFootball.com, the Purple Raiders have a streak of 31 over Otterbein and 30 over Marietta.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2010, 08:26:23 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 10, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 09, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
Whew!!!

Oberlin gave us quite a scare!!!

I hope our defense plays better than that in the future!

Those guys had over 450 yards against us!  Nevertheless, we extended our winning streak against the Obies to 26 straight.  Can anyone tell me if that's the longest current streak by any one team against another in Division III?

According to MtUnionFootball.com, the Purple Raiders have a streak of 31 over Otterbein and 30 over Marietta.

While I can't find the listings (and am too lazy to calculate it myself :P), I'm pretty sure that several CCIW teams have streaks of 30+ against North Park.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 10, 2010, 11:09:58 PM
This may be the strongest the UAA has ever been.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 11, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
out of curiosity...does UAA receive a A pool bid for the playoffs?

Big win for Wash U the other day...congrats!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 11, 2010, 02:06:23 PM
No, all 4 UAA teams are in Pool B.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 12, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
There will be live video again for this week's CWRU game, presented by Hiram College:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hiramvscasefb
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2010, 07:27:53 PM
UAA IN NCAA TOP 25

Carnegie Mellon

Team  Rushing Offense/G  #13
Richard Pattison  Punting #17
Mike Shedlosky Tackles/G  #13

Case Western Reserve

Team  Net Punting  #25
         Passing Efficiency  #12
         Sacks/G  #21
Joey Baum  Passing Efficiency #10 (unofficially #1 in Comp %)
Zach Homyk  Receptions/G  #5  
                   Yds Receiving/G #6
Sam Coffey  Fg/G  T#25
Rich Doolin  Sacks/G T#12
Dale English Sacks/G T#18

Chicago

Team  Sacks/G #6
         TFL/G  #9
Steve Tsilimos  Interceptions/G T#25
Jeff Sauer  Punting #25

Washington

Team  Net Punting #7
Austin Morman  Punting #24
Eric Chalifour  FGs/G T#5
Greg Larson TFL/G T#22
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: E.115 on October 12, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
There will be live video again for this week's CWRU game, presented by Hiram College:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hiramvscasefb

Thnx for returning the video link favor.  Nice catch Hopefully #%$@#@& Time Warner won't screw up my connection like they did last Saturday.

This may be the last time to look at the reserves in action this year.  Speaking of reserves, the JVs have beaten BW twice this season.  BW is 3-3, its only other loss to MtUnion.  Of course I know JV scores are about as meaningful as NFL pre-season scores.  Anyone know the result of any other CWRU JV games?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2010, 02:42:38 PM
Re: JV games, I'm curious how many JV games most D3 schools actually play.  I was fortunate enough to play early at CMU, so it never would have impacted me directly...but I know that a lot of guys basically mailed it in by the middle of their freshman year b/c they never got to play (we had one JV game a year, usually against the Robert Morris JV's...and once I think our JV's played the Grove City JV's).

I can't help but wonder if our retention rate would be a little higher if we played a more extensive JV schedule (Duquesne, Robert Morris, Allegheny, and the PAC schools are all within reasonable driving distance for a Monday-afternoon JV game).  At least there would be an incentive for the freshmen to keep playing hard in practice.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2010, 02:46:39 PM
This weekend's games:

CWRU @ Hiram...not exactly scared of this one.  CWRU goes to 6-0.

Chicago @ Kenyon...Chicago SHOULDN'T have any trouble.  Chicago goes to 5-2.

WashU @ Wooster...big game for the Bears.  Will they have a letdown the week after a huge upset, or will they come out flying high with confidence?  Wooster has a little momentum (and also played Bash very close this year), but I still think Wash wins.  Wash goes to 4-2.

CMU off this week.  Stays 4-2.

UAA standings will look very impressive at the start of league play.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2010, 02:42:38 PM
Re: JV games, I'm curious how many JV games most D3 schools actually play.  I was fortunate enough to play early at CMU, so it never would have impacted me directly...but I know that a lot of guys basically mailed it in by the middle of their freshman year b/c they never got to play (we had one JV game a year, usually against the Robert Morris JV's...and once I think our JV's played the Grove City JV's).

I can't help but wonder if our retention rate would be a little higher if we played a more extensive JV schedule (Duquesne, Robert Morris, Allegheny, and the PAC schools are all within reasonable driving distance for a Monday-afternoon JV game).  At least there would be an incentive for the freshmen to keep playing hard in practice.

I've not done an extensive study, nor do I have numbers to back this up, but I think the typical JV slate would be 4-5 games. By the latter stages of the season, schools tend to curtail the JV schedule to keep kids healthy (and eligible) because they may be needed in varsity games.

Mount Union plays a full 10 on a regular basis.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2010, 05:55:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
I've not done an extensive study, nor do I have numbers to back this up, but I think the typical JV slate would be 4-5 games. By the latter stages of the season, schools tend to curtail the JV schedule to keep kids healthy (and eligible) because they may be needed in varsity games.

Thanks, Pat.  4-5 games a year (even if they're all early in the season) seems like a nice slate for schools with 70+ players, assuming that there are nearby schools willing to play (even if they're NAIA, D2, or I-AA schools).

I just figured for a school like CMU (middle-of-the-road team with 100+ players) it would make sense to play more JV games.  As stated above, most of the freshman at CMU would typically mail it in by midseason once they realized they weren't going to play that year (i.e. skipping workouts, coming to practice late, milking injuries to get out of practice).  I wonder if a more extensive JV schedule would provide some motivation for those guys to stick with it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue4now on October 15, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
Typically the CWRU JV squad plays both JCU and BW twice with maybe another local game (Lake Erie, Notre Dame).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
XTP  Chicago-Kenyon is next week.  The Lords have their hands full this week with Wittenberg. The Maroons are idle this week.

JCU and BWC post JV scedules.  CWRU plays each twice.  BW posts scores JC does not.  CWRU JVs played NDC before the Falcons were varsity. 

Other nearby JV teams are Wooster, Hiram, Heidelberg, Muskingam, and Ohio Northern.

I'm hoping the Spartans get off to a quick start and Debs will put Snyder in the second quarter to get some reps when he can run the whole offensenot just handing offf to kill the clock.  Would be great if he can get a dozen or so pass attempts.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 16, 2010, 03:42:25 PM
Washington 14, Wooster 13--FINAL

Bears forced two huge turnovers in the final quarter--one on an interception as Wooster was driving deep in Wash-U territory early in the 4th, and a fumble on Wooster's last possession with under 2 minutes to play.

Wash-U was fortunate to get those turnovers, as Wooster moved the ball pretty well for most of the day.  The Scots hurt themselves with penalties and a missed extra point after their final score with under 4 minutes to play.

Great road win nonetheless for Wash-U!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 17, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
Is there any chance that we'll finally crack the Top 25 this week?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 17, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
UAA Opponents Records this year through week 7:
Carnegie Mellon  11-25
Case Western     13-24
Chicago               19-19
Wash U                21-17

just sayin
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 17, 2010, 09:14:57 PM
UGH!!!

Just missed it at #26.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 17, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
#25 is once-beaten Wabash with one more vote.  Why they deserve to be ranked ahead of undefeated teams (DePaw is 6-0 too) is beyond me.

Their loss isn't to a ranked team and they have no quality win to offset the loss.  Their first-year-starter QB doesn't last the whole game very often and they have lost two star WRs.  On D they were unable to contain a WashU team that Wittenberg completely dominated.

I know, I know.  CWRU was nothing before Whalen, so they must be nothing again.  The D lost the last two UAA POY.  But the O adapted to fit Baum's skills and he has proved very efficient.  And the D kept Allegheny's offense out of the endzone for sixty minutes, something Wittenberg was unable to do.     
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
You can see by the point totals that those teams have what would usually be called "others receiving votes" type of numbers. Big gap after Cal Lutheran and no consensus on that next group.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 18, 2010, 07:09:23 AM
Gang,

I realize that this is a football board, but I thought it was worth mentioning that CWRU upset the #1 ranked women's volleyball team in the country (Wash U. - St. Louis) this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 18, 2010, 08:08:03 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
HELP WANTED:

Looking for Pollsters for a "soon to be unveiled" D3 TOP 25 FAN POLL.

Publishing site: www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com

REQUIREMENTS:

1. Commit to submit a ballot ranking the D3 Teams 1-25 by stated deadline. I'm thinking that will be midnight on Mondays.
2. Research the teams and try to be as unbiased as possible in ranking them.
3. Think through your own philosophy as to how much to weigh previous ranking, won/loss record, your sense as to who would win head to head, national performances in recent years, quality wins, and whatever reasonable criteria you care to choose.   
4. Submit a ballot EVERY WEEK by the deadline. Missing a deadline will be cause to forfeit your spot. Create and submit your ballot BEFORE viewing the D3football.com poll. You can look at previous weeks polls to get you started if you are having a hard time filling out the last few slots.

PURPOSE OF POLL

This poll is to promote meaningful and fun discussion on d3boards.com.  It is simply something that will be fun to contrast with D3football.com's poll. D3football.com's poll is the one legitimate poll we have in D3 football in my opinion.  This poll is not even intended to become #2. I just think it would be an interesting point of comparison and discussion. 

HOW TO APPLY

Send me a private message. In your message indicate:
1. you are applying to be a pollster.
2. What team/conference you follow.
3. Whether you can submit a poll as early as this Thursday. (That is not mandatory, if everyone can we may do one this week).

WHO WILL BE CHOSEN?

The first 25 respondents will be our initial group of pollsters.  This group will remain the D3 FOOTBALL FAN POLL TOP 25 pollsters unless they resign their position or miss a deadline.  Pollsters, I will never post your names on the boards.  If you choose to, that is fine. If you are beyond the first 25 responses, your name will be placed on a "waiting list".  If there are fewer than 25 respondents by midnight on Wednesday, we will go with what we have and continue to have "open" slots to be filled.

Remember FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED!  ;)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 21, 2010, 03:58:31 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll Released

Team       
1. UW-Whitewater (16)   400
2. Mount Union                381
3. Wesley                        361
4. St. Thomas                  346
5. North Central               332
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor      328
7. Delaware Valley           262
8. Wittenberg                  261
9. Hardin-Simmons           252
10. Ohio Northern            240
11. Linfield                       218
12. Thomas More             216
13. Wartburg                   213
14. Wheaton                   187
15. Montclair St.              183
16. Trine                          171
17. St. John Fisher           164
18. Bethel                        136
19. Coe                            123
20. Central                       99
21. Pacific Lutheran          88
22. Hampden-Sydney       85
23. Cal Lutheran              46
24. Ursinas                       36
25. Case Western            17


Also Receiving Votes:
Wabash (15), Franklin (12), Rowan (12), Willamette (12), Illinois Wesleyan (6), Cortland State (6), Augustana (5), Depauw (4)

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com (http://www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 21, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
Picks this week:

CWRU 27, Wooster 13

Wooster decent this year - good enough to beat bad teams, but not good enough to beat good teams (their best win is over Oberlin).  Hard to imagine CWRU losing this one, BUT they must come to play...this would be a big win for Wooster.

Chicago 24, Kenyon 10

Kenyon getting steamrolled lately.  Tough to picture them beating a decent Chicago team.

WashU 28, Oberlin 21

Oberlin is better than they may appear; their 4 losses are all to decent teams, and they were semi-competitive in all four (scoring 21+ points against three straight perennial contenders in Witt, CWRU, Wabash).  WashU must tread carefully this week after a couple of big wins.

Wittenberg 31, CMU 7

The only real hope I have for CMU this week is that Wittenberg has been a little sloppy on the road this year (close wins in their only two road games, while they've been invincible at home).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 23, 2010, 01:53:29 PM
Can someone explain that b/s personal foul that gave Wooster a TD?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 23, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
NO. High pass...receiver reached up DB hit him in chest area after Wooster touched ball.....maybe a little too much ESPN/NFL viewing by offical for that to be called.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 23, 2010, 05:33:03 PM
Hammer...Hammer...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 24, 2010, 08:36:13 AM
well the Hammer got the Hammer in this one .... and stop yelling at the refs ... that just makes them mad and then they make stupid calls like the one on the goal line .... clearly the Dback never touched the player and knocked down the pass .. but because of your taunting we got flagged .. LOL. Remember just keep yelling GO BLUE! ... like I do .. or I will have to ban you from the fence line ....   ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:19:23 AM
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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2010, 11:24:25 AM
Poppa, at least we got the roughing call.  Who would have thought that the punt team would have two of the most imprtant plays of the game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 24, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
How is Wash U's strength of schedule lower than Case's??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2010, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on October 24, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
How is Wash U's strength of schedule lower than Case's??

Read the fine print.  Only "in-region" opponents count.  That leaves out Wittenberg and Wabash.

Don't get me started on the absurd NCAA concept of region and the special treatment given to "in-region."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 25, 2010, 07:13:26 AM
True Mike ...  ;)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 25, 2010, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2010, 10:39:12 PM
Read the fine print.  Only "in-region" opponents count.  That leaves out Wittenberg and Wabash.

Wooster as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2010, 07:53:46 PM
All so far but Knox, Westminster, and Rhodes.  The UAA games are in-region.  But it was Wabash and Wittenberg that he was looking at.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 26, 2010, 10:03:42 AM
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=205018295 (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=205018295)

CWRU makes Top 25 in AFCA poll.   ;D

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 26, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UW-Whitewater (20) 500
2. Mt. Union     479
3. Wesley    453
4. North Central   435
5. St. Thomas   417
6. UMHB    394
7. Delaware Valley  336
8. Hardin-Simmons  318
9. Ohio Northern   305
10. Linfield    300
11. Wartburg    288
12. Wittenberg   269
13. Thomas More   264
14 Wheaton    242
15. Montclair St.   233
16. Trine    210
17. Coe     169
18. Bethel    167
19. Central 134
20. Hampden-Sydney  133
21. California Lutheran  90
22. Ursinas     84
23. St. John Fisher   56
24. Alfred     46
25. Pacific Lutheran 46

Dropped Out: Case Western Reserve

Others receiving votes: Case Western Reserve (36), Depauw (21), Rowan (17), Wabash (17), Franklin (16), Cortland St. (12), Willamette (8), Augustana (4)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 26, 2010, 07:22:50 PM
go figure Case did not make the fan poll  :o
and Case was dropped out after a win against a strong Wooster team .. LMAO
while I know there are many knowledgeable posters here and are in the Fan poll ... it has no meaning to me until the NCAA asks for their opinion.

I posted a poll to show Case does get noticed and deservedly so.  ;)

Save that for another forum this is for UAA news.  ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2010, 09:08:04 PM
The NCAA does not consider any polls in its rankings.

Tomorrow the first of the Regional Rankings, the only "poll" that matters comes out.

Right now there are four North Region Conferences with the potential to have an undefeated champion--OAC, CCIW, NCAC, and MIAA.  Currently CWRU has a higher SoS than Mt Union, Wittenberg, and Trine.  CWRU's SoS will increase, since all of the UAA teams have winning records.  Trine has no games remaining against a team with a winning record.  Wittenberg gets a bump from Wabash, but they are in the bottom 10% of the SoS currently.  Regardless of SoS, I don't see Mt Union ranked anywhere but number one.

Sooo, if CWRU wins out a three or four seed seems likely.  The unknow to me is whether if Wabash beats Wittenberg and Depauw (unbeaten in-region) they would be ranked above CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Schwami on October 26, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Let's look at some of the other criteria that would come in to play besides SoS if CWRU were to go 10-0 and Wabash were to go 9-1 (a big if, since every game from here on out will be a huge game for both teams against quality opponents who will bring everything they've got):

1.  CWRU and Wabash are both undefeated in-region (Wabash's loss to WashUStL does not count against Wabash in this regard)

2.  CWRU has a win and Wabash has a loss against a common opponent (WashUStL)(advantage CWRU)

3.  Wabash has a win (maybe two) against regionally-ranked opponents (Witt at 9-1 is likely to be regionally ranked, as would DePauw at 9-1 --- although I don't know if DePauw counts since it is in a different region)

The SoS for Wabash should improve dramatically with the last three games against Allegheny, Witt and DePauw.  The power-weighted conference schedule in the NCAC actually perversely skews the SoS slightly upward for Wabash.  Having said that, I really don't think SoS is a big deal, it is probably the last thing that the committee looks at.  If they end up having to make a decision on seeding between CWRU and Wabash, they will probably decide it based upon the head-to-head results against WashUStL or on the wins against regionally ranked opponents.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2010, 10:12:54 PM
Wabash/DePauw is always an in-region game by the 200-mile rule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Schwami on October 26, 2010, 10:13:34 PM
By the way, what kind of fish is going on the stringer this year?  :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Schwami on October 26, 2010, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2010, 10:12:54 PM
Wabash/DePauw is always an in-region game by the 200-mile rule.

Yes, it counts as an in-region game for Wabash.  But would a win against a regionally-ranked opponent in the South region (DePauw) count as a win against a regionally-ranked opponent for purposes of the North-region regional rankings?  (Wow, I only used the root word "region" four times in that last sentence!!! --- clear as mud, I know  ;D)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2010, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: Schwami on October 26, 2010, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2010, 10:12:54 PM
Wabash/DePauw is always an in-region game by the 200-mile rule.

Yes, it counts as an in-region game for Wabash.  But would a win against a regionally-ranked opponent in the South region (DePauw) count as a win against a regionally-ranked opponent for purposes of the North-region regional rankings?  (Wow, I only used the root word "region" four times in that last sentence!!! --- clear as mud, I know  ;D)

I'm not 100% sure, but 99% confident I remember that the answer is yes. ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2010, 11:06:20 PM
Wabash and DePauw are in Administrative Region 3. Therefore, the game is in region.   :)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 27, 2010, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: Schwami on October 26, 2010, 10:18:50 PM
But would a win against a regionally-ranked opponent in the South region (DePauw) count as a win against a regionally-ranked opponent for purposes of the North-region regional rankings?  (Wow, I only used the root word "region" four times in that last sentence!!! --- clear as mud, I know  ;D)

Actually, I counted 5 usages.  Impressive!

I would have to think Wabash would be ranked ahead of CWRU if they beat Witt and Depauw due to beating two regionally ranked opponents (and they would deserve it).  What CWRU needs to focus on, though, is just winning their UAA games.  None of the conference games will be easy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 27, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
The Wabash/CWRU hypothetical is very interesting, indeed.  Assuming they win out, the regionally-ranked opponent argument would go in favor of Wabash, but it would still be very hard (to me, anyway) to justify seeding 9-1 Wabash over 10-0 CWRU when Bash's loss would be against an opponent that CWRU defeated (again, the hypothetical assuming both teams win out, which is by no means a given).

This is the strongest four-deep that the UAA has been in a while.  CWRU's on a 37-game regular-season win streak, Chicago is 5-2, and WashU is 5-2 with wins over Wabash and Wooster.  Right now, I think a pretty good argument could be made that CMU is clearly #4 in the conference, and they're 4-3 and took highly-ranked Wittenberg to overtime last week, missing a chippy FG on the last play of regulation that would have WON the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 27, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
Worth reviewing the selection/seeding criteria here.  Yoinked straight from the championship handbook...

Primary criteria:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP), weighted 2/3.
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP), weighted 1/2.
See Appendix J for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

Secondary criteria:
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
• Should a committee find that evaluation of a team's win-loss percentage during the last
25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt
such criteria with approval from the championships committee.

Let me preface everything I'm about to say by noting that whether it makes sense or not, the NCAA is supposed to use these criteria to select and seed teams in the tournament (although seeding also becomes an issue of geography...if the commitee actually decides to officially seed teams at all, which last year they did not).  With that caveat out of the way...

I don't see how, based on the criteria, that CWRU would be seeded ahead of Wabash if we're assuming that Wabash wins their last three games (no safe assumption, for sure).  What completely jams CWRU in this instance is the AA's emphasis on regional competition, and that Wabash's blemish as well as CWRU's would-be ace in the hole (the Washington result), technically isn't to be factored in by the comittee unless they need secondary criteria.  I expect that the gap in the SOS numbers will shrink or even swing into Wabash's favor by the end of week 11 (primary criteria), results versus regional common opponents will be a push (primary criteria), regional win percentage will be a push (primary criteria), but Wabash would own a win over a regionally ranked opponent (primary criteria) while CWRU would not.  The advantage, based on an objective analysis of the primary criteria, belongs to Wabash.  If the Washington game were regional, CWRU would grab an edge in a couple of the primary criteria (win% and results vs. common regional opponents) and would be a no brainer to be seeded higher than Wabash.  But it isn't, and they aren't. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 27, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Excellent post, wally.  Thanks for posting the criteria.  Given the official criteria, I agree with you that Bash probably should be seeded ahead of CWRU - this appears to be one of those "DOH!" cases where the seeding criteria screws with what otherwise appears to be a common-sense seeding.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 27, 2010, 03:47:30 PM
Let's both win out before we worry too much about this. ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2010, 04:16:12 PM
I would say that secondary criteria come into account in almost every football decision because of the relatively small number of games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 27, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2010, 04:16:12 PM
I would say that secondary criteria come into account in almost every football decision because of the relatively small number of games.

If so, then why break the criteria down into primary and secondary?  Just to make sure that everyone knows that D-III is all about regional competition?  When I read "primary" and "secondary" my instinct is to say that primary criteria are to be used exclusively to make decisions, and then the secondary criteria should be used if the primary criteria do not produce a clear choice.  In fact, I think there is some verbiage in the handbook...

Quote
Secondary Criteria. If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a
decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated
(not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-ofregion
Division III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents
from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).

For the record, I think that it should matter that Wabash lost that game and I think that it should matter that CWRU and Wabash have different results against a common opponent (hypothetically), but that's not consistent with the directions in the handbook.  The handbook would tell you that the Wabash/WashU result is not admissable in the court of primary criterion.  I would personally favor a de-emphasis of regional competition (however an emphasis on in-Division play should remain) for football because, you're right, there aren't enough games to easily differentiate between a handful of teams with identical records. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2010, 05:15:06 PM
Isn't CWRU/WashU an in-region game, since they are in the same conference?  Or does that rule not apply if they are not an AQ conference?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
CWRU/WashU is in region.  Wabash/WashU isn't.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2010, 07:36:21 PM

North Region
1. Wheaton (Ill.) 7-0 7-0
2. North Central (Ill.) 7-0 7-0
3. Mount Union 6-0 7-0
4. Ohio Northern 5-1 6-1
5. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0
6. Trine 6-0 7-0
7. Baldwin-Wallace 6-1 6-1
8. Franklin 5-1 6-1
9. Wittenberg 6-0 8-0
10. Wabash 6-0 6-1

MtUnion #3 seems based on SoS as does ONU #4
Wabash #10 says out of region loss still hurts

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2010, 08:13:08 PM
Back to this week.

Chicago may actually present CWRU's greatest challenge this season.  The Massey ratings actually predict a one point Chicago win. 

Chicago scored 24 points against the Spartans each of the last two seasons and its defense is first in UAA in sacks and TFL this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 29, 2010, 02:32:26 PM
Well...this week kicks off what I think will be an interesting UAA season.  I believe that the overall quality of the UAA teams is better this year than any time in recent memory.  All four teams have played some very good football in nonconference play.

CWRU (7-0) @ Chicago (5-2)

No doubt an intriguing matchup here.  CWRU is a solid 7-0 squad, probably not as dominant as the past few seasons, but the offense can still rack up some points.  Chicago's offense, also, has been pretty darned good this year.  Hard to see Chicago toppling the defending champs, but they are playing at home and this is Chicago's best team since their 2005 title season.

CMU (4-3) @ WashU (5-2)

WashU comes in flying high on a four-game winning streak, for the most part riding a pretty solid defense and getting just enough offense to win.  The run defense has been pretty stingy...will CMU get anything going on the ground?

CMU offense has been surprisingly effective this year - scoring 30 points per game despite breaking in a freshman QB.  The running game keeps churning out yards (an impressive 307 yards last week vs. #8 Wittenberg, allowing a mere 59 ypg on the ground).  The defense, however, has been a little suspect against run and pass.

Good matchups, both.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 30, 2010, 03:52:31 PM
Case Loses. Wash U wins
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on October 30, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
Score of Case Chicago game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 30, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
24 20 Chicago
Wash u won in ot 20 13
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on October 30, 2010, 04:13:52 PM
Thanks.... Keep winning Wash U!!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 05:20:32 PM
ExTartanPlayer:

You called it (a possible Case upset today) the other day when you pointed out that the Case/Chicago game was at Chicago's home field and that this was Chicago's best team since its 2005 title team.  Throws things in a bit of disarray it appears.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 30, 2010, 05:46:21 PM
Congrats Chicago!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Props to Oium and Chicago for ultimately handling the wind better than CWRU.  Windy City is big home field advantage, although the crowd sounded like there were plenty of Spartan supporters (Homyk family and friends).

Props to the Spartans D for holding as often as they did with all of the spots that the offense and special teams put them in.  That final touchdown reminded me way too much of Wabash two years ago.

For as many mistakes as the commentators on the CWRU webcast make, and their limited knowledge of the rules of football, they really should quit carping about the officials.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on October 31, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
Congratulations to Chicago on a great game.

That being said ... I also listened to the broadcast by Maroons .. I did not appreciate the foul language used when Case scored ... you could hear all the background talk and a lot of it was rude and profane.   
>:(

I also listened to the audiocast of the Case announcers and they remain professional as always ... well done Gentlemen ... looking forward to next week.
;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 27, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2010, 04:16:12 PM
I would say that secondary criteria come into account in almost every football decision because of the relatively small number of games.

If so, then why break the criteria down into primary and secondary?  Just to make sure that everyone knows that D-III is all about regional competition?  When I read "primary" and "secondary" my instinct is to say that primary criteria are to be used exclusively to make decisions, and then the secondary criteria should be used if the primary criteria do not produce a clear choice.  In fact, I think there is some verbiage in the handbook...


The criteria are the same for all sports across Division III. In sports that have more than 10 games, I suspect that there is a greater difference between the two. In fact, you could definitely argue that you cannot make a clear choice on primary criteria in football if you're only considering seven contests.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: PoppaN on October 31, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
Congratulations to Chicago on a great game.

That being said ... I also listened to the broadcast by Maroons .. I did not appreciate the foul language used when Case scored ... you could hear all the background talk and a lot of it was rude and profane.   

By the broadcasters or by other people in the press box?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 01, 2010, 07:10:57 PM
someone in background .... you would think the announcers booth would be sound proof ... but still no excuse for language like that ( F word) ... after hearing that I shut off their commentaries and turned up Case's audio .... did not like the delay of video ... Ustream usually runs very well .... but am Thankful Chicago aired the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 27, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2010, 04:16:12 PM
I would say that secondary criteria come into account in almost every football decision because of the relatively small number of games.

If so, then why break the criteria down into primary and secondary?  Just to make sure that everyone knows that D-III is all about regional competition?  When I read "primary" and "secondary" my instinct is to say that primary criteria are to be used exclusively to make decisions, and then the secondary criteria should be used if the primary criteria do not produce a clear choice.  In fact, I think there is some verbiage in the handbook...


The criteria are the same for all sports across Division III. In sports that have more than 10 games, I suspect that there is a greater difference between the two. In fact, you could definitely argue that you cannot make a clear choice on primary criteria in football if you're only considering seven contests.

All the more reason to abandon the special treatment given to "in-region" games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 01, 2010, 08:18:57 PM
Amen!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2010, 12:50:44 AM
Quote from: PoppaN on November 01, 2010, 07:10:57 PM
someone in background .... you would think the announcers booth would be sound proof ...

Not every press box has that luxury. Actually, I would say it's about 50-50 in Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 02, 2010, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 01, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 27, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2010, 04:16:12 PM
I would say that secondary criteria come into account in almost every football decision because of the relatively small number of games.

If so, then why break the criteria down into primary and secondary?  Just to make sure that everyone knows that D-III is all about regional competition?  When I read "primary" and "secondary" my instinct is to say that primary criteria are to be used exclusively to make decisions, and then the secondary criteria should be used if the primary criteria do not produce a clear choice.  In fact, I think there is some verbiage in the handbook...


The criteria are the same for all sports across Division III. In sports that have more than 10 games, I suspect that there is a greater difference between the two. In fact, you could definitely argue that you cannot make a clear choice on primary criteria in football if you're only considering seven contests.

All the more reason to abandon the special treatment given to "in-region" games.

I think Pat is suggesting that, in practice, the committee already does abandon the special treatment of in-region games. 

I guess I don't see the point of publishing the criteria in this fashion if the criteria are going to be actively ignored.  Or at least if the instruction on how to apply those criteria are going to be actively ignored.  Where's the crime in acknowledging that football is inherently different, and then writing selection criteria that fit.  Does D-III soccer or baseball or volleyball care what the selection criteria used for football are?  Would writing a slightly different set of selection criteria somehow make D-III less D-III?  I wouldn't think so. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 02, 2010, 04:18:17 PM
Would writing a slightly different set of selection criteria somehow make D-III less D-III?  I wouldn't think so. 

I wouldn't think so, either, but I think that the Division III leadership would definitely think so.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 03, 2010, 10:57:53 AM
After this week, I have zero confidence in predicting the outcome of any UAA game remaining.  I think all four teams are nearly equal, and can't say with any confidence that team X is better than team Y.  CMU is probably the "weakest" on paper but has taken Wittenberg and WashU to overtime in consecutive weeks - I don't think CWRU or Chicago can dismiss CMU, and certainly neither of them is overlooking WashU after defeating Wabash amidst a nice winning streak.

The interesting question for me is what happens if Case and Chicago run the table (not sure this will happen, actually hoping it won't because that would mean CMU's first losing season in 30-some years).   On paper, 9-1 CWRU is a strong Pool B candidate (and probably by the criteria should get in), but how can you justify that to 8-2 Chicago who defeated CWRU head-to-head and won the conference?

Not going to go into all the specifics now, I'll wait and see if it actually unfolds, but it's an interesting hypothetical situation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on November 03, 2010, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 30, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Props to Oium and Chicago for ultimately handling the wind better than CWRU.  Windy City is big home field advantage, although the crowd sounded like there were plenty of Spartan supporters (Homyk family and friends).

Props to the Spartans D for holding as often as they did with all of the spots that the offense and special teams put them in.  That final touchdown reminded me way too much of Wabash two years ago.

For as many mistakes as the commentators on the CWRU webcast make, and their limited knowledge of the rules of football, they really should quit carping about the officials.
I think the speed of D. Brizzolerra is the differene maker UC. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 06, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
Wow...

I just came from the Case - Washington game.

Washington wins 14-13 on a very cold and rainy day in Cleveland, OH

Case had two opportunities in the last 5 mins to take the lead, but missed two field goals (one blocked).  The last game-winner miss was with 13 seconds left. 

Tough loss for the Spartans, and I'm guessing this means no playoffs this year.  CWRU and Washington are now both 7-2.

Congrats to Wash U on the hard fought victory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 06, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
WASH-U WINS 14-13 AT CASE!!!

Bears block 2 field goals and a punt to help secure the win!

A 20-yard Case attempt was blocked with under 4:00 to play, and a 43-yarder was tipped with :13 left.

Wash-U travels to Chicago next Saturday for the outright UAA crown, and perhaps the last playoff spot (long, long shot--but at least there is still a slight hope to cling to).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 07, 2010, 09:34:16 AM
Heck of a game. GoBears!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2010, 08:15:55 PM
Originally posted in the Pool B board:
Quote from: martin on November 07, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Assume that 10-0 SUNY Maritime is in.  Wesley beats 5-4 Kean at home to go 9-0 and is in.

I think that leaves three teams for the last Pool B slot.
Norwich is 8-2.
Salisbury is 6-2 and plays at 2-7 Frostburg State.  A loss eliminates Salisbury.
The Chicago-Wash U winner will be 8-2.  Case can be 8-2 but with losses to both Chicago and Wash is out.

So who gets that last spot?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2010, 08:17:49 PM
Also posted in the pool B board:
[author=martin link=topic=3830.msg1254026#msg1254026 date=1289178486]
If Chicago makes the playoffs, the Maroons might have a quick exit.  Chicago lost to Elmhurst 31-20.  The game was not that close.  Elmhurst led 31-7.  Chicago scored twice in the last five minutes to make it close.  Elmhurst lost to North Central 47-13.  And a Chicago-North Central first round matchup is likely - NCC a #1 seed, UC a #8.

But on the bright side, a week of good press as Chicago's football history is resurrected.

For the first time, the Maroons will be competing for a spot in the Stagg Bowl, named after their first football coach (from 1892-1932) Amos Alonzo Stagg. (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/history/history-stagg.htm)

Many reminders of the first ever Heisman Trophy winner, Jay Berwanger (http://www.heisman.com/winners/j-berwanger35.php)

Then there are the NFL connections.  The Maroons are the true Monsters of the Midway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters_of_the_Midway).  People may find this hard to believe, but at one time professional football was not that popular.  To try to get some of the appeal of college football to rub off on the Chicago Bears, George Halas took the orange and blue colors of the University of Illinois and the wishbone C logo and nickname of the University of Chicago.

Also, "We'll never forget the way you thrilled the nation with your T-formation" from "Bear Down, Chicago Bears (http://www.chicagobears.com/fancenter/BearsFightSongLyrics.asp)".  I recommend the Chicago Symphony Orchestra version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8OpQyY6TI).  Also the a capella version by Bryan Griffin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sct9igr7wMA) of the Lyric Opera is pretty cool.  Well the T-formation came from Clark Shaughnessy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Shaughnessy) who was Chicago's coach when they dropped football in 1939.  The Bears used it to defeat the Redskins 73-0 in the 1940 NFL Championship Game.

The Maroons also have a connection to the now Arizona Cardinals.  They began life as a south side Chicago football team and joined the NFL as the Chicago Cardinals.  They got their nickname as the result of some used jerseys they purchased from UofC (http://www.azcardinals.com/history/franchise.html):
QuoteIn 1901, the team gained longstanding identification when O'Brien, finding a bargain, bought used jerseys from the nearby University of Chicago. The jerseys were faded maroon in color, prompting O'Brien to declare, "That's not maroon, it's Cardinal red!" The club's permanent nickname had been born!

Uof C was also the inspiration for the best college football fight song - the University of Michigan's "
The Victors". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_to_the_victors) From the Michigan Daily (http://web.archive.org/web/20070213074801/http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/sep/09-21-98/news/news10.html):
QuoteThe Michigan fight song, "The Victors!," celebrates 100 years of leading the Wolverines into battle on the field this season.

It was on a train ride back to Ann Arbor after the 1898 football conference championship that then-student Louis Elbel jotted down the words that would eventually adorn the outside of the Big House.

"Having the fight song written by a student embodies the school spirit even more," said John Schmidt, a former marcher who now works as the band's physician.

Elbel, inspired after watching the one-point victory over what was then the heaviest team in the conference - the Chicago Maroons - thought the Wolverines needed a fight song that matched their power.

Stagg and Chicago so annoyed Michigan that the Wolverines quit the Big Ten from 1907-1916.  Stagg ran Chicago (some say not just the athletic department) and the Big Ten.  You can check out "Stagg's University: The Rise, Decline, and Fall of Big-Time Football at Chicago (http://www.amazon.com/Staggs-University-Decline-Big-Time-Football/dp/0252067916)" by Robin Lester.

Some mention may be made of Chicago's national championships in 1905 and 1913 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_National_Championship).  And their seven Big Ten Championships.  And their 4-0 record against Notre Dame.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on November 07, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: joelmama on November 03, 2010, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 30, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Props to Oium and Chicago for ultimately handling the wind better than CWRU.  Windy City is big home field advantage, although the crowd sounded like there were plenty of Spartan supporters (Homyk family and friends).

Props to the Spartans D for holding as often as they did with all of the spots that the offense and special teams put them in.  That final touchdown reminded me way too much of Wabash two years ago.

For as many mistakes as the commentators on the CWRU webcast make, and their limited knowledge of the rules of football, they really should quit carping about the officials.
I think the speed of D. Brizzolerra is the differene maker UC. 
I hate to quote myself but with over 400 all purpose yards I think this was an understatement.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 08:50:16 PM
martin:

Great history and thanks for sharing that.  Indeed, Bartlett Hall on the campus had a great museum of U of C's football history and Berwanger's original Heisman Trophy.  It is my understanding that they moved it to the new U of C athletic complex? ???.  Also, some people may not know that the entrance to the new Stagg Field where Chicago now plays has a set of some of the original huge doors from the old stadium as its entrance.  Also, indeed, Stagg and Yost had some great games and a very intense rivalry during those 1890's and early 1900's.

I had the chance to meet Berwanger a few years ago and had a wonderful 4 hour personal visit with him.  Great stories about Stagg, who he played for for a year (albeit as a freshman).  The book you cite by Lester is a great one as is the one by Ellis Lucia Mr. Football: Amos Alonzo Stagg (A.S. Barnes Company and Thomas Yardoff, Ltd, New Jersey and London respectively, 1970).  Another good book is The Idea of the University of Chicago, Edited by William Murphy and D.J. R. Bruckner (The University of Chicago Press, Chicago and London, 1976) which also gives the reader a good perspective on the misguided philospophy of then U of C President Robert M. Hutchins who was responsible for the demise of Chicago's football program when they dropped it in 1939.

BTW, I was very, very fortunate to have acquired an orginal autographed letter by A.A. Stagg and a couple of original photos of him last year for my own personal library collection and I also have Berwanger's autograph personally signed to me on a copy of his famous photo.  Anyway, thanks for sharing with us some of the info on U of C's great football history and glad to hear that the media/press in Chicago is giving the current football team "some ink".  Moreover, I'm glad that Walter Hass had the vision to bring it back in the 1970's.  They have come a long way since then.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 08, 2010, 05:03:38 PM
Gang,

While our football team has had a few heartbreakers in recent weeks, our women's volleyball team just earned it's first ever NCAA tournament bid (at large).

GO LADY SPARTANS!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan 81 on November 09, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
CWRU vs CMU game has a few nice story lines....

1. Case Seniors have the most wins in school history with 38.  They currently also have the best winning % at .884 (38-5).  A win would keep them at #1 a loss would drop them behind the 1983-1986 group who is at .875 (31-4-1).

2. A CMU loss would end CMU's long streak of consecutive non-losing seasons.

3. A CMU loss would mean a last place finish for CMU.  They have only once before finished last in the UAA (2002 finished in a 4th place tie with Rochester at 1-3).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 04:18:57 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UWW (20)  500
2. Mount Union  478
3. North Central  453
4. Wesley   439
5. St. Thomas  418
6. UMHB   397
7. Delaware Valley 351
8. Hardin-Simmons 338
9. Ohio Northern  325
10. Linfield   314
11. Wartburg   297
12. Wittenberg  274
13. Trine   260
14. Thomas More  249
15. Bethel   223
16. Coe    206
17. Wheaton   186
18. Cal. Lutheran  149
19. Depauw   111
20. Pac. Lutheran 105
21. Central   86
22. Cortland State 75
23. Rowan    67
24. Montclair  54
25. Franklin   48

Dropped Out: #23 St. John Fisher, #24 Wabash

Also receiving votes: Hampden-Sydney (34), St. John Fisher (20), Willamette (19), Washington U (5), Salisbury(4),Wabash(4),Williams(4), Alfred (2), Illinois Wesleyan (2), Albion (1), Baldwin-Wallace (1), Muhlenberg (1)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 09, 2010, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Spartan 81 on November 09, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
2. A CMU loss would end CMU's long streak of consecutive non-losing seasons.
3. A CMU loss would mean a last place finish for CMU.  They have only once before finished last in the UAA (2002 finished in a 4th place tie with Rochester at 1-3).

Weird, weird season from CMU (or at least the last three weeks).  Honestly, the record is about what I expected (about 6-4 would have been my preseason guess), and through 6 games that seemed likely.   But I can't figure out the last couple weeks' results.  Great efforts against Witt (OT loss vs. top-10 team) and WashU (OT loss on the road), then getting CRUSHED at home by Chicago?

To clarify - I'm not surprised that they LOST to Chicago - I've commented all year that U-Chi is decent this year (and I think has a chance at a Pool B berth if they beat WashU, though it's dicey).  I was surprised by the margin and the way the game actually unfolded.

That was the first game that I attended, and it started out fine with a nice TD drive.  Defense had some trouble against U-Chi passing game early, looked like trouble, but I still figured CMU could hang around.  Even as Chicago pulled away, CMU's late touchdown to make it 34-20 gave me hope that they'd keep it competitive in the second half.

Instead...zilch.  Chicago's offense (specifically Oium and Brizzolerra) looked like they were just practicing.  I don't think a CMU defender touched a pass all day - the only incompletions were drops by Chicago.  U-Chi receivers kept catching the ball virtually uncontested - and not just little three-yard hitches, but passes well downfield.  CMU defensive backs just got torched.  Not to mention TWO special teams TD's (both fine returns by Brizzolerrra, no doubt, but that's inexcusable!)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on November 09, 2010, 06:30:33 PM
Brizzolera should get d3 player of the week assuming he was nominated.  Well over 400 all purpose yards is crazy, but he did lead all of d3 last year when he was a freshman, mostly due to a lot of kick returns since Chicago gave up a lot of points.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 10, 2010, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: joelmama on November 09, 2010, 06:30:33 PM
Brizzolera should get d3 player of the week assuming he was nominated.  Well over 400 all purpose yards is crazy, but he did lead all of d3 last year when he was a freshman, mostly due to a lot of kick returns since Chicago gave up a lot of points.

I agree.  Watching CMU try to cover/catch him was roughly like watching a combination of Devin Hester (the kickoff/punt returns) and Jerry Rice...they had no answer for him.  At all.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on November 08, 2010, 05:03:38 PM
Gang,

While our football team has had a few heartbreakers in recent weeks, our women's volleyball team just earned it's first ever NCAA tournament bid (at large).

GO LADY SPARTANS!!!!

MSoc also was probably one loss away from the playoffs.

Meanwhile the Spartan Men Hoopsters are second in the UAA pre-season poll and received what I am pretty sure is its first ever vote in the d3hoops pol.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2010, 07:52:53 PM
I'm hoping for a great finish for Baum, Bush, Dietmen, Nicely, Webster, and Homyk.  If the Tartans pass defense continues to struggle, the Spartans should get the win.

Meanwhile, I think Chicago beats WUStL for sole first place.  They would then have a slim shot at the playoffs.  But WUStL's wins haven't gotten them into the South Regional Rankings.

Jeff are you going to be at the tailgate?  I'll be there early, but will leave to go bid a fond farewell to Mike Nicely at the parents' tailgate.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 12, 2010, 10:40:32 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 11, 2010, 07:52:53 PM
Jeff are you going to be at the tailgate?  I'll be there early, but will leave to go bid a fond farewell to Mike Nicely at the parents' tailgate.

Sorry, I just saw this.  I'm planning on going.  What time will you be getting to the tailgate?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2010, 12:01:43 AM
Close to noon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: UofCAlum on November 13, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
I posted this as well on the Pool B Board but figured I would repost it here. 
Certainly the NCAA selection committee views injuries in the same way as they do for the D1 Basketball tournament right?  In that case, the committee must take into consideration that Chicago's two losses occurred when they played without their QB and Left Tackle.  Both got hurt early on against Elmhurst and neither played at all vs. Wabash.  In fact, Chicago's third string QB played most of the game against Wabash.  Since the players returned, Chicago is undefeated.
 
Another factor the committee would most likely take into consideration is that both of Salisbury's losses took place at home while both of Chicago's occurred on the road.
 
I'm not saying that either of these factors should be dispositive but I do think it's entirely reasonable that the committee considers them when trying to make a determination on who should be the third Pool B team.  Of course, if they just selected the actual three best Pool B teams...both Salisbury and the Chicago/Wash U winner would go and SUNY Maritime would be left out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 13, 2010, 08:20:12 PM
UofCAlum, I don't think that the injuries are that relevant on the D3 level.  Given the lack of media coverage in D3 football, I wouldn't be surprised if the selection committee was unaware of the injuries you mention.

I am hoping against hope that the Maroons get in - it would be cool if the UAA's playoff streak extended to five years (shameless self-promotion: I was a member of the 2006 CMU team that started it!) - but unfortunately I think that Salisbury is going to get the nod ahead of them, and rightfully so...no offense to UChicago, but Salisbury is very, very good (a three-point loss to Wesley is no joke).

You are correct that if the committee was just selecting the three best Pool B teams, it would be Wesley-Salisbury-Chicago in that order.  However, I've been a firm believer in rewarding an undefeated season with a playoff berth, regardless of strength-of-schedule.  There was a lot of talk in 2006 that we (CMU) were a paper tiger and undeserving of a berth, but we got in and then won our first-round game.  Wouldn't be right for me to argue that 2006 CMU deserved a berth for going 10-0 vs. a weak schedule, then complain SUNY-Maritime getting the same treatement.  It's not fair to penalize the players on an undefeated team for a soft schedule - it wasn't their choice who they played.

Curious, UofCAlum, are you a recent alum/player?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 14, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Congrats Chicago on the win and on the uniformed player doing a full kegstand   Classy
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppaN on November 14, 2010, 09:09:45 AM
Great finish for Case .... wtg BLUE!

I had the chance to me jam40jeff Saturday at Case game .... all you guys who have been messing with him better watch out ... I thought he was a Russian Weightlifter .... more muscle than is possibly human .... and ADL70 was with him ... as his entourage ... LOL ... hope to see both of you next year on the roof of the garage.

Good Luck and Congrats to UC ... hope to see you in the playoffs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 14, 2010, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 14, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Congrats Chicago on the win and on the uniformed player doing a full kegstand   Classy
Is Chicago in danger of losing its reputation as the place "Where fun comes to die (http://uofcslogans.blogspot.com/)?"

As far as the kegstand, I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED that a college sophomore second year would behave so sophomorically. 

Maybe the problem is that the Wash U players don't have the strength to do a full kegstand in uniform.  ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 14, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
Well I just figured a Chicago student would be smarter than that... 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 18, 2010, 08:33:49 PM
Congratulations Maroons.  The rest will have to "wait till next year."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 24, 2010, 09:38:33 PM
Congrats to Zach Homyk one ten finalist for the Gagliardi.

CWRU has had finalists in five of the last six years.  Can any other school match that?

You can vote for him here:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JGYB5DD

Also to UAA's Academic All-Americans

CMU: Richard Pattison, Justin Pratt and Brandon Van Tassel

CWRU: Rich Doolin and Joey Baum

CMU appears to have the most players of any team and the UAA the most of any conference.

Edit:  Mt Union also has three.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 25, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
Well, unfortunately, the "ax just dropped" on DIII'er Josh McDaniels as the Denver Broncos owner fired him as head coach - breaking news just now on Comcast and other sports outlets.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: T_Unit14 on December 06, 2010, 11:09:30 PM
The coach that is taking over for him is a D3er himself...a UW-W alumn and ex football player himself
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 05, 2011, 07:02:10 PM
Watching the Orange Bowl the comentators mentioned VaTech's colors-Chicago Maroon
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 19, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
Former Spartan QB Angelo Mirando is now WR coach at Mississippi State.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on January 20, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
No kidding?

Always intrigues me to look at the playing background of coaches in DI and NFL.  Lots of guys from smaller-school backgrounds that make it as coaches, probably because they're heady guys that work hard on the intellectual aspect of the game (and also, presumably, some DI guys that go on to NFL careers never get into the coaching pipeline in their 20s).

FWIW, CMU grad Dan Shamash is (or was) an assistant coach with the Cleveland Browns for the last couple years.  He was attached to Mangini, though, so he may be looking for work since Mangini was fired.  Not sure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 20, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 19, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
Former Spartan QB Angelo Mirando is now WR coach at Misissippi State.

Congrats to him!

Sounds like he's quickly working his way up the coaching career ladder!

Maybe one day he'll join Don Shula (MA - WRU) among the greatest of CWRU alumni coaching legends!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 27, 2011, 11:05:06 PM
Ray Russ is reported committing to NDC, but another All-State QB has CWRU at the top of his list.

Brockway quarterback Derek Buganza, the all-time leading passer in Pennsylvania history with 9,752 career yards, has narrowed his college choices down to a few small schools led by NCAA Division III Case Western in Cleveland.

Buganza's height, he is listed at 5-foot-10, has probably scared off some of the bigger schools and his other choices include NCAA Division II Mercyhurst located in Erie, Pa., NCAA Division III Washington & Jefferson located in Washington, Pa., and NCAA Division III St. Vincent, located in Latrobe, Pa.

"I'd have to say Case (Western) is my top choice right now," Buganza said. "But St. Vincent, W&J and Mercyhurst are also up there too."

Buganza was the Pennsylvania Sports Writers Class AA Player of the Week and the Pennsylvania Football News Class AA Co-Player of the Year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 27, 2011, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 27, 2011, 11:05:06 PM
Ray Russ is reported committing to NDC, but another All-State QB has CWRU at the top of his list.

Brockway quarterback Derek Buganza, the all-time leading passer in Pennsylvania history with 9,752 career yards, has narrowed his college choices down to a few small schools led by NCAA Division III Case Western in Cleveland.

Buganza's height, he is listed at 5-foot-10, has probably scared off some of the bigger schools and his other choices include NCAA Division II Mercyhurst located in Erie, Pa., NCAA Division III Washington & Jefferson located in Washington, Pa., and NCAA Division III St. Vincent, located in Latrobe, Pa.

"I'd have to say Case (Western) is my top choice right now," Buganza said. "But St. Vincent, W&J and Mercyhurst are also up there too."

Buganza was the Pennsylvania Sports Writers Class AA Player of the Week and the Pennsylvania Football News Class AA Co-Player of the Year.

Obviously, I wish him well in whatever school choice he ends up making.  While it would be great to have him at DIII, too bad some DI school doesn't take the chance on him being the next "Doug Flutie".  I remember so well when many people never gave Flutie a chance - he was a very good college QB and it just wasn't because of his notoriety from the famous "Hail Mary" Pass (although that indeed, was a great game and perhaps one of the best finishes ever to a college game with the exception of "The Play" at Cal/Stanford and our own DIII "The Play" down in Texas a couple of years ago!) :D ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on January 28, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
formerd3db, a couple of thoughts on the way big-time coaches think.  I don't AGREE with all of these, but I just think they are worth pointing out.

1) Coaches believe that they can teach a 6-5 kid to play QB, or a 300-pounder to get into a good three-point stance, much more easily than they can craft an offensive scheme to utilize smaller players.  As an anecdotal example, I played against a kid in high school that was 6-7 and 280 but was a very marginal player.  I was 5-11 and 220 (and a sophomore) but went toe-to-toe with him.  He eventually became a starting left tackle for a Division I program; once he got good coaching, the light bulb came on.

2) D-I coaches can't afford to "waste" a spot or take a flyer on a kid that's a really borderline prospect.  They've only got 25 scholarships per year - they have to take the "shotgun" approach of signing 25 kids with big potential and hope that 10 of them become studs, even if it means signing a few washouts. 

3) In the age of recruiting websites and mass media, fans/boosters will CRUCIFY a coach of a big-time program if he signs a kid that nobody else is recruiting.  Coaches are (unfairly) evaluated based on how many stars the kids in their recruiting class have, and if they sign a kid that has no scholarship offers elsewhere it reflects poorly on them.  Stupid but true.

As a final comment - some undersized kids from small schools are  nice HS players that don't even become good Division 3 players, so it's REALLY hard for a Division I coach with a limited # of scholarships available to justify taking a flyer on a 5-10 QB (unless he can run like Michael Vick).  At Carnegie Mellon, we brought in a couple of kids with VERY impressive high-school statistics that never became good college QB's - quite frankly, they were just limited physically.  Good high-school players that didn't have the arm strength to fire a 17-yard out or throw a good deep ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 28, 2011, 02:27:08 PM
ExTartanPlayer:

Well said.  I agree with you on all of these aspects, although, like you, I don't entirely agree with these i.e. as far as some of those DI coaches philosophy.  However, that is just the way the system is.

Your last ("final comment") is so true.  I've seen that as well and to the degree that I often encourage many current players at the DIII level to realize how lucky they are to be in their current situation for that very reason.  There are many great high school players who just are not good enough to make it even at the DIII level, so those who do, IMO, are privileged and blessed in that sense.

Also, as to DI coaches not taking a chance on someone as you describe, I certainly can understand.  Yet, we all know that they do miss some "sleepers" many times and someone of that smaller size will also "come into their own" like that huge lineman i.e. your former h.s. teammate.  Which is another reason why I always love to see walk-on players who make the grade on sheer determination, perseverence, although some of that, of course, also depends on "being in the right place at the right time".  There are a few DI programs (i.e. coaches), although not an overabundance obviously, who have been very generous/kind in providing the opportunity for their walk-ons and not just their "preferred walk--ons".  Anyway, when that happens, it sure is a great thing to see and... secretly deep down, I always am glad that player proved those guys/coaches, fans, etc. wrong - always great to see when that occasionally occurs. :)

Anyway, thanks for your opinion and insight.  Very informative, interesting and true.    
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 30, 2011, 10:44:55 PM
Here's his video

http://www.ncsasports.org/college-recruiting-videos-highlights/derek-buganza
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 05, 2011, 10:02:16 AM
Dan Whalen was just signed by AFL's Cleveland Gladiators.

Orrville All-Ohio DIV 2nd team OL Sam Reusser (6'1 255 4.0 GPA) has been reported on a HS forum as planning to become a Spartan and study ChemE.

Back to Mirando, Missisippi's HC Dan Mullen is am Ursinus grad.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wab64 on February 09, 2011, 07:24:13 PM
Where are the Maroons? It would seem to me as a double alum--Wabash and U of Chi (law school)-[- that having won the UAA in convincing fashion; 2 asst coaches getting head jobs-- and having one of the most scintillating players (Brizzaolara) that I've seen coming back as a junior, yet that there should be some hot stove league excitement about next fall and the Monsters of the Midway. Get excited!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 12, 2011, 05:07:58 PM
CWRU reports a 45% increase in applications, attributed to counselors visiting 900 high schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on February 18, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: wab64 on February 09, 2011, 07:24:13 PM
one of the most scintillating players (Brizzaolara) that I've seen coming back as a junior,
Dee B. is rewriting the record books at U of C.  By the time he graduates all of the meaningful recieving and return records will be in his name.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 06, 2011, 10:15:34 PM
Carnegie Mellon's site has its 2012 schedule.

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/schedules/2012.html

NCAC opponents

9/8 @Allegheny
9/22 v DePauw
9/29 @Wabash
10/6 v Denison
10/20 v Ohio Wesleyan
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 10, 2011, 07:20:43 PM
Scouting Ohio reports that All GMC Sycamore (Cincinnati) DE  6'2 225 has committed to CWRU.

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=6489&Itemid=85&name=

And Orrville's Sam Reusser previously reported headed to CWRU was 7th in the state Div III at 285.  Will he be a gridder or a grappler or both?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 30, 2011, 12:23:47 PM
Whalen's AFL debut mirrored his at CWRU.

Entered game in second half and led a come-from-behind win.

http://www.cleveland.com/gladiators/index.ssf/2011/04/backup_qb_dan_whalen_rallies_c.html

Nothing new on the PA star QB, but this one from FL is reported coming to CWRU:

http://blog.imgacademies.com/2011/04/28/from-laces-to-stitches-mccarthy-dreams-big/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL8ACMH7T1U

Is he 6'1 or just 5'10.5 as I have seen elsewhere?

Also Akron Firestone LB Marcus Dempster (City Defensive Co-POY, Dist HM) smallish at 5'9, 185
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2011, 06:34:33 AM
Gang,

Here's some fantastic news about a Division III and UAA athlete making a mark in the pro ranks!

Former Case Western Reserve Division III All-American QB Dan Whalen led his Arena Football Team, the Cleveland Gladiators, to victory this past weekend!

Coming in as a back-up to replace starter Rocco who went down with an injury, he was 4-7 for 39 yards passing with 1 TD, and also rushed for 28 yards.  It was while Whalen was in the game that the Gladiators made a fourth quarter comeback to win the game 34-30.

Let's hope that this serves as a stepping stone for Whalen to either the CFL or NFL.  He's truly a Division III success story!

=list&frm[d]=2011-05-01&frm[e]=277]http://www.clevelandgladiators.com/schedule/season/?act[v]=list&frm[d]=2011-05-01&frm[e]=277 (http://www.clevelandgladiators.com/schedule/season/?act%5Bv)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 05, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
Report of another new Spartan:

Bellefontaine (OH) Logan RB  Jonathon Mobley District SM

http://examiner.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20913:raiders-mobley-to-play-football-at-case-western&catid=36:sports&Itemid=57


http://www.scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=5236
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 06, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
With all due respect to Whalen, JagranSpartan, I'd be surprised a relief performance in an Arena football game springboards Whalen to the NFL/CFL.

I would be optimistic that maybe it could land him a starting job on an Arena team (either his current team or elsewhere next season).  But it's a long climb from Arena backup to the NFL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 11, 2011, 06:05:18 AM
Well, maybe.

But consider this.  The following week, Whalen threw for two TDs, and ran for two more to lead his team to yet ANOTHER victory.

http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/05/07/sports/nh3977234.txt#photo2 (http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/05/07/sports/nh3977234.txt#photo2)

At this rate, he might eventually get a look at the CFL.

And if he does the same thing there, a shot at the NFL could be a possibility, however remote.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 11, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Whalen's stats aren't very impressive:

9-20-1 45%  3TDs

FL RB coming to CWRU (teamates to MIT and CMU).

Miami Benet Jesuit's Manny Sicre 5'11 175 All-Dade County small school 2nd team

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/10/2211287/palmetto-reaches-1st-state-quarterfinals.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyFUtlnWyrQ
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 14, 2011, 05:14:19 PM
A third new Spartan from Florida:

Jensen Beach WR/S Matthew Avril 5'11 160

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/may/13/college-signings-football-lacrosse-baseball/

I couldn't find much else about him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 20, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
Last year's CWRU FB appears to be making it three schools in three years.  He is listed on WUStL's 2011 roster along with his older brother Chris.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on May 24, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Wow.. He is a good catch for Wash U.... tough running back for sure...  Sorry for your loss...  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 24, 2011, 09:22:07 PM
Chicago's incoming class of 25:

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2010-11/fb-freshmen-052411.htm

Hartitz highlights:

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=2634&name=jfball20

Arlin Hill highlights:

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=3920&name=ahill
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 25, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
Two new Spartans from Bethel lpark (alma mater of Rich Doolin)

http://www.bpsd.org/protected/ArticleView.aspx?iid=53BIPI&dasi=3IY0
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on May 26, 2011, 04:17:04 PM
Another big class for Wash U  36 incoming freshmen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 26, 2011, 06:59:28 PM
No press release yet.  Only names and positions on roster.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Pages/roster.aspx

Edit:  Full details on the rostser page now, 36 recruits from 16 states.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 03, 2011, 02:43:49 AM
OK, so what do folks think that Case's chances in the UAA are going to be like this year?

Will we contend, or pretend?

Our OOC schedule is essentially the same, and shouldn't cause us too many problems.  I like how we scheduled perrenial weak sister Hiram as our homecoming game!

Hopefully, we'll defeat our cross-town rival John Carroll, and also continue our quarter century long dominance of nearby Oberlin as well.

Who is the person most likely to be the starting QB and what type of prospect is he?

Someone who is "in the know" please post.  Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 04, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
The Spartans just announced their 29 man recruiting class:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2011/2011_recruits.html (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/football/stats/2011/2011_recruits.html)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
What I see is that Kyle Snyder was last year's backup QB after starting at CB as a freshman in 2009.  He successfully succeeded Baum at Walsh Jesuit, selected to All Dist team twice.  He was 2-3 passing, but rushed for 146 on 27 carries.

But one of the newcomers is not a freshman.  Erik Olson is a transfer from DII playoff team Cal of PA.  He is 6-2 and 205 and led Bethel Park to the Pennsylvania 4A championship game in 2008.  He was redshirted in 2009 and saw action in only one game last year.

High school highlights:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBE1BUiAaBU

Also freshman Mark Kulinski (Oil City PA) is a 6-2 175 QB who was AAA 3rd team all-state.  Threw for 3,253 yds and 35 TD 57% 9 int his senior year.  For his career 6,045 and 60 TD. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2011, 05:19:37 PM
The addition of Mentor RB Ricky Hanzlik (5-11 210, 4.5 40?) may mitigate against the loss of LaBarge.  He excelled at rushing, receiving, and blocking.

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=4936
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on June 05, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
My son had a BB tournament game in Adelbert Gym. Place hasn't changed in 40 years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on June 05, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
My son had a BB tournament game in Adelbert Gym. Place hasn't changed in 40 years.

http://www.youtube.com/user/case#p/search/5/A9Bm01hSs_k

The radiators are gone from behind the benches, some of the bleachers are gone, and the scoreboard down, but there's still an "R" in the center circle.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 05, 2011, 08:30:36 PM
WR/DB

Tony Lybarger 5-10 175 Fredericktown  All-Ohio SM WR

Sean Lapcevic  Chartiers Valley (PA) 5-7 170

http://www.cvcolts.com/Lapcevic.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtkaAr4DdaM
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on June 05, 2011, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 05, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on June 05, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
My son had a BB tournament game in Adelbert Gym. Place hasn't changed in 40 years.

http://www.youtube.com/user/case#p/search/5/A9Bm01hSs_k

The radiators are gone from behind the benches, some of the bleachers are gone, and the scoreboard down, but there's still an "R" in the center circle.

I used to shoot baskets in there while my Dad worked at University Hospital. Was just a little hot in there last weekend. Then we moved over to the old Case gym. I kept expecting Gene Hackman to walk down that rampazt Adelbert
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
TE George Darany Detroit Catholic Central 6-3 230   

One star recruit on ESPN recruiting site.

Three-year starter for 2009 state champs and 2010 regional finalists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYoLCl-f5j8
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 07, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
Speculation from the SCAC FB board with the shakeup:

My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions).

My take:

I can see the attraction in adding four teams, at least 3 of which sponsor football.  Football and baseball get an AQ, and other sports could schedule division play to lessen travel.  Would UofR return fulltime?


Anyone else heard such speculation?


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2011, 04:28:03 AM
Hadn't heard that.

Other than Rochester, which teams might we invite that would be a good "fit" with UAA academic profiles?

Johns Hopkins (another former UAA team)?


Who else?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 08, 2011, 01:53:31 PM
Nor have I heard that.

I'm not exactly connected with UAA sources, so take the following with a grain of salt, but I would be surprised if the conference made such a move (using SCAC refugees or otherwise).  I can see the attraction in adding teams from a football standpoint, but I just don't think there are enough quality candidates that a) would meet the UAA criteria of "research institution in metropolitan area" (paraphrased, but I think that's the general message) and b) would actually WANT to make the move.

The SCAC schools probably don't fit the UAA criteria (though I can't say this for certain).  Even if they do, are we really supposed to believe that SCAC refugees will want to join the UAA?  Colorado College dropped football, leaving four members...and why wouldTrinity, Austin, et cet have any interest in the UAA?  It's just a poor geographic and academic fit.  They'd be much better off somehow hooking up with ASC schools.

Most of the Pennsylvania and Ohio schools in Division III are happy with their current conference.  Can't really see any of them suddenly ditching their conference for the UAA.

Rochester just left a few years ago.  Hard to imagine them suddenly coming back on board unless there's an AQ available; and it seems like

Johns Hopkins is a great candidate on paper, but I'm guessing that they're pretty happy where they are.  They play in a competitive conference with a lot of convenient regional rivals.  They're suddenly going to give that up to play Chicago, WashU, Case, and a few former SCAC schools?  They'd have to fly at least three times a year (possibly as many as five).  No way Hopkins goes for that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 08, 2011, 08:32:36 PM

The two schools I could see going after would be MIT and Tufts.  MIT is an AAU member, and while I don't believe Tufts is, their profile is much more like the UAA schools than the NESCAC.  Tufts does have a few sports that the UAA doesn't offer however.

Those two, plus UofR would make seven for football and therefore the AQ.

I too can't see expansion outside the current footprint. 

San Antonio is 900 miles from St Louis, closest current UAA member.  A travel partner for Emory would be  desirable, but I don't really see a candidate.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 10, 2011, 09:15:49 AM
MIT and Tufts are both urban private research universities, and as such, would seem to fit the UAA academic profile.

However, can we convince them to forsake their New England rivals in favor of CWRU, Chicago, and Emory?

I dunno.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 10, 2011, 11:37:04 AM
I think you've hit it on the head, Jagran.  Just can't see MIT/Tufts leaving their current conferences - they're a much better geographic and competitive fit from a football standpoint.

Tufts - the NESCAC schools all seem pretty happy to play against one another and that's it (and I don't have any problem with that).  I don't think they're leaving the NESCAC in hopes of making a run the D-3 playoffs (they finished 2-6 and 1-7 the last two years).

MIT has struggled to compete in the NEFC for the last few years.  Again, it's hard to imagine them leaving a conference with relatively equal competition and a bunch of relatively "local" rivals to fly 3x per year and get trounced by the current UAA football members.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on June 20, 2011, 09:38:47 AM
Is there any word yet on where Derek Buganza is going?  I saw his Facebook page had St. Vincent Bears Football as one of the groups he's in, but he's also in Penn State Football, so that may not mean anything.  Also, he's not listed on the roster on the St. Vincent website.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 22, 2011, 08:29:57 PM
There will be unprecedented beef in the backfield in Cleveland this fall.

QBs   215, 200, 195

Rbs  220, 215, 210, 210, 210


And tall timber taking snaps:  6-4, 6-3, 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 24, 2011, 07:56:46 PM
2011 CMU roster

39 frosh

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/rosters/index.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 25, 2011, 11:07:17 AM
Gang,

Since I'm in Afghanistan right now, I was wondering if someone could let me know TWO things:

1) who they think that CWRU's two-deep for this upcoming season will be; and in particular at QB.

2) Who the Sporting News has picked as their Division III pre-season Top 25, AND

3) What CWRU's prospectus for this season is.

If someone could post material that answers those three questions, I sure would appreciate it.  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 25, 2011, 02:21:46 PM
JS

TSN

http://www.uwwsports.com/custompages/football/2011/2011%20Preseason%20Article%202.pdf

Too soon to answer about 2011 Spartans, esp QB.

Quote from Debs re: newcomers: "we also feel there are a number of guys who can come in and compete for significant playing time this season."

Incoming talent at QB may be such that Snyder can go back to CB.

Defense will return lots of experience.  Beyond Metlesitz, OL, and TE the O will consist of untested players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 26, 2011, 01:38:23 AM
Mega-Thanks ADL70!!!

I'm glad to see that "Case Western" was mentioned as one of the "others to watch."

I sure hope we can re-capture the magic that we had in our three straight playoff seasons.  Without a proven QB, however, it'll be a tough row to hoe.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jhughes98 on June 29, 2011, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 08, 2011, 08:32:36 PM

The two schools I could see going after would be MIT and Tufts.  MIT is an AAU member, and while I don't believe Tufts is, their profile is much more like the UAA schools than the NESCAC.  Tufts does have a few sports that the UAA doesn't offer however.

Those two, plus UofR would make seven for football and therefore the AQ.

I too can't see expansion outside the current footprint. 

San Antonio is 900 miles from St Louis, closest current UAA member.  A travel partner for Emory would be  desirable, but I don't really see a candidate.

Other schools that might be interested would be McDaniel (just outside of Baltimore) and Catholic University in DC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 29, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
I don't think that McDaniel fits the UAA profile, that of an urban private research university.

Catholic U. is a possibility, but if we took CUA, we'd be in the same situation that we would be in if we were to take Tufts: we'd no longer be able to boast of being the only sports conference in America made up exclusively of AAU schools.......a true mark of distinction indeed!

I like the MIT idea especially, but I just don't see them abandoning their East Coast roots.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 29, 2011, 05:22:57 PM
Gang,

Case now has a new athletics website that is SUPER-KEWL!!!

CHECK IT OUT!!!

http://athletics.case.edu (http://athletics.case.edu)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2011, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on June 29, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
I don't think that McDaniel fits the UAA profile, that of an urban private research university.

Catholic U. is a possibility, but if we took CUA, we'd be in the same situation that we would be in if we were to take Tufts: we'd no longer be able to boast of being the only sports conference in America made up exclusively of AAU schools.......a true mark of distinction indeed!

I like the MIT idea especially, but I just don't see them abandoning their East Coast roots.

Considering my alma mater pulled out of the AAU (still not happy about that, along with other alumni), I hope we try to get into the UAA and get rejected.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 29, 2011, 07:55:55 PM
What was CUA's motivation for pulling out?

Why WOULDN'T CUA want that mark of distinction?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2011, 10:20:47 PM
You. Got. Me.  :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 29, 2011, 10:27:03 PM
ADL70,

What do you think the odds are that THIS new recruit will be our starting QB next season?

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/bios/olson_erik_n53b (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/bios/olson_erik_n53b)

He's a junior transfer from a Division II school (Cal. U. of Pa), is 6'3" and 215 lbs., and had a STELLAR high school career, having played for regional champion teams in Pennsylvania, and having once been named ESPN's athlete of the week as a junior in HS.

I wonder how quickly he can learn Debaljak's offense?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 30, 2011, 07:36:26 AM
I raised the possibility of Olson coming in and starting about three weeks ago.  As I recall, when Mirando transferred in (2005 I believe, those archives are not accessible in the new site), he started right away, but he was on campus going to school in the summer and was able to work out with other players.  Not sure if that is the case with Olson.  There is a sizeable cadre of receivers in the Pittsburgh area, perhaps he could work out with them.

From these highlights looks like he was an I-formation QB in HS, not sure what his previous college team ran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBE1BUiAaBU

Did you see the new QB coach, Joey Baum?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 05, 2011, 03:05:34 PM
Mildly notable:

CMU names a new full-time strength and conditioning coach today.  Guy spent the last three years with the Browns.  Not sure how much this impacts the football program - see below.

CMU first hired a full-time S & C coach, Kevin Schultz,  in the spring of 2008 (I was a graduating senior; I served as a student rep on the search committee along with a graduating women's volleyball player). 

Coach Schultz is a great guy, and I got to know him a little bit through the interview process and over the next few years (I still drop by the CMU gym every now & then to play some pickup basketball).  I would have loved to see him running the football team's weight-training routine.  However, it was my understanding that the football coaches would continue designing the conditioning program for football players; Coach Schultz's responsibilities were primarily to the other umpteen sports at CMU. 

(FWIW, I heard nothing but great things about Coach Schultz from the girls' b-ball players and a few other guys that I stayed in touch with over the past)

I'm not sure if that changed over the last couple years or not; certainly, it would be great to have some input from a former NFL coach on the S&C program for the football guys.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on July 08, 2011, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on June 29, 2011, 07:55:55 PM
What was CUA's motivation for pulling out?

Why WOULDN'T CUA want that mark of distinction?

Membership in the AAU is not a mark of distinction - there are membership requirements.  Nebraska was kicked out earlier this year (http://chronicle.com/article/U-of-Nebraska-Lincoln-Is/127353/) - much to the chagrin of the Big T1e2n. Syracuse is quitting before it too is tossed. (http://chronicle.com/article/Syracuse-U-Facing-a-Forced/127363/)

There is controversy about the AAU - who gets in and why.
Story 1 (http://chronicle.com/article/As-AAU-Admits-Georgia-Tech-to/65200/)
Story 2 (http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-Universities/65199/)

CUA quit the AAU in 2002.  It was one of the 14 founding members of the AAU back in 1900.  Clark, another founding member, quit in 1999.  The both resigned before being asked to leave.  Neither had fit the AAU requirements for quite some time but were cut slack since they were both original members. CUA's letter of resignation (http://publicaffairs.cua.edu/news/02_PresDesk_Nov.htm), at the bottom of the President's letter:

QuoteDr. Nils Hasselmo
President
Association of American Universities
1200 New York Avenue, N.W.
Suite 550
Washington, D.C. 20005

Dear Dr. Hasselmo:

The Catholic University of America (CUA) developed and approved an institutional strategic plan in December 2001. The process that preceded the adoption of the strategic plan provided all members of the institution with the occasion to study its past and present accomplishments with a view toward building its future direction as a graduate research institution with a strong undergraduate component both aspects of which emphasized the humanities. It was an intensely gratifying experience that, I believe, mobilized all levels of the university community to embrace the future with vision, courage and enthusiasm.

As you know, CUA was one of the fourteen founding members of the Association of American Universities (AAU) in 1900. Since beginning my service as president of CUA in 1998, I have had the privilege of participating in various meetings of the presidents and chancellors of AAU institutions. I have found the experience both interesting and informative as my colleagues discussed many of the issues that research universities in the United States face in the current academic environment.

In recent years and among other things, AAU has focused upon clarifying criteria for new and continuing membership. The approval and subsequent publication of "AAU Membership Principles" in 1999 and "AAU Membership Indicators" in 2000 provided all of us in AAU with the opportunity to reflect upon our own membership and our place within AAU. Coupled with the efforts of my own institution to engage in a serious process of strategic planning, discussions occurring within AAU have led me to review CUA's continuing membership with members of my administration, including the chief academic officer and all of the university's academic deans.

While all of us believe that CUA is well positioned to fulfill its academic research mission, it has become clear that CUA and the vast majority of AAU institutions are moving forward but on different trajectories. That becomes evident as one studies the various membership indicators that can be identified by both AAU and CUA. Our institutional emphases and energies are different than those of most of our colleague institutions in AAU. As president of CUA, I believe that the university community here must focus its attention on its mission, reflected in those emphases and energies, in a consistent, concentrated and comprehensive manner. For that reason, I write to notify you that CUA will withdraw from membership in AAU, effective October 20 of this year, the date of the beginning of the AAU Fall Membership Meeting.

CUA takes great satisfaction in its long and historic relationship with AAU and in its special role as a founding member. The university will always refer to that relationship and role with much gratitude and pride. I thank you for your personal support and for your efforts to provide quality leadership for this great organization. With every best wish, I am

Sincerely yours,
Very Reverend David M. O'Connell, C.M.
President

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 09, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
The strange thing about that letter is that it talks about how CUA and the AAU supposedly have divergent trajectories, or words to that effect, but it doesn't specify what the trajectories of either entity are, much less how they would diverge or be incompatible.

Could someone here who is "in the know" elaborate on that?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 14, 2011, 08:33:12 PM
Second big off-season loss for the Spartans?  Kyle Snyder no longer on the roster?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 18, 2011, 10:43:04 PM
Word on Wooster's site is that this is the last year of the NCAC-UAA agreement and that the NCAC is going to a full round-robin.  That would mean only one OOC game for each team.

CMU seems to be the one for five of the NCAC teams.

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/schedules/2012.html

Would the four UAA teams hook up with the five football-playing teams that are leaving the SCAC (Millsaps, Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, and Birmingham-Southern) and have a shot at an AQ?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 19, 2011, 06:14:24 AM
ADL70,

Perhaps I don't know all the rules, but wouldn't they have to actually form a CONFERENCE in order to be an automatic berth?

If not, then I think that that would be an interesting arrangement.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2011, 07:39:25 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 18, 2011, 10:43:04 PM
Word on Wooster's site is that this is the last year of the NCAC-UAA agreement and that the NCAC is going to a full round-robin.  That would mean only one OOC game for each team.

CMU seems to be the one for five of the NCAC teams.

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/schedules/2012.html

Would the four UAA teams hook up with the five football-playing teams that are leaving the SCAC (Millsaps, Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, and Birmingham-Southern) and have a shot at an AQ?
The conference must sponsor the sport.

It must have 4 core members playing the sport.

There must be a minimum of 7 participants in the sport.

I believe that it would take a 2-year period for that conference to earn the AQ.

A scenario that I could see would be this.

2012 -- UAA-4 sponsor foootball and invite the SCAC-5 to join as affiliates. Compete as Pool B teams.

2013 -- second season of the "new UAA". Compete as a 9 team conference, but gain access to the playoffs thru Pool B, against Wesley, Huntingdon, Macalester, etc.  Pool B bids will be determined by the number of Pool B teams divided by the access ratio (number of Pool A teams divided by the number of Pool A conferences) and the quotient is then truncated to the next lowest integer. A quotient of 1.750 would be truncated to 1 Pool B bid.

2014 -- UAA gets its Pool A bid.  The 9 teams move from Pool B to Pool A for consideration.  That bid probably moves from Pool B to Pool A in the scheme of things.  :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 20, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
OK.

So if we had five "affiliates," would they be considered UAA "members," or would they be considered something else altogether?

I mean, adding five small, liberal arts colleges as "members" would change the "Egghead Eight's" character as a conference of all research universities/AAU members, would it not?

I'd be in favor of admitting them as something other than "members" so that our conference's distinctive character does not change, if that's possible.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 20, 2011, 07:59:42 AM
If it came to pass, they would be affiliates for football only.

It has been pointed out though that reducing travel was a major reason they are breaking away from the SCAC.  So they may be more inclined to look more locally for two additional football members.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 23, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
CWRU preview

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20110714nvoonq
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on July 25, 2011, 12:25:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 23, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
CWRU preview

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20110714nvoonq

Whoa, d@mn good preview for pre-august.  I didn't realize so much of CWRU's defense had so much coming back.

Plus, I'm very interested to see what that new transfer QB can do for this offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 25, 2011, 06:39:03 AM
I think that that's the key.

If that new DII transfer can come in and be productive, then we'll likely have a successful season.

I've got a little hypo.  Suppose we were playing THIS season in a scheduling arrangement that includes the five former SCAC members.  How do you think the final standings would turn out?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on July 26, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
We will see how things pan out....could be an interesting year with the Spartans somewhat under the radar. This transfer QB could make a heck of a difference along with avoiding the key injuries.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 01, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
^Side note.  It looks like that transfer QB has three years of NCAA eligibility.  He red-shirted his Freshman year at Cal PA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 03, 2011, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 23, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
CWRU preview

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20110714nvoonq

When did John Carroll University move to East Cleveland? :P
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 03, 2011, 09:40:10 PM
Give 'em some slack.  The SID is from B-W, thinks anything east of downtown is East Cleveland.  IMNSHO, he does a much better job than his predecessor.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 08, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
Interesting number reassignments for the Spartans:
(apparently some were tentative/premature)
1-Metlesitz
6-Mackie
8- Coleman
33-Magister

Do we read anything into Olson being assigned #5?  It was his hs # but I didn't see that coming.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 09, 2011, 02:39:37 AM
ADL70,

Has training camp started at CWRU, and if so, what is the buzz?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 09, 2011, 07:53:23 AM
Should be later this week.

I'm in Columbus, so I hear no buzz here.

I'm planning on going to the scrimmage on the 25th.  I'll PM any Spartan supporters who are interested in what I see.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on August 09, 2011, 10:13:39 AM
Wash U reports later this week also.
It is rumored that the Bears will be playing U W  Whitewater in 2012.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Al Bundy on August 10, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Does anyone know when the UAA coaches poll will be out? I saw several others came out today!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 10, 2011, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: Al Bundy on August 10, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Does anyone know when the UAA coaches poll will be out? I saw several others came out today!

It is out. (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/2011_UAA_Preseason_FB_Release.pdf)  Chicago is picked to win - which usually means they will not.

Team (First-Place Votes)            2010 UAA Overall
1. Chicago (3)                            3-0        8-2
2. Washington (1)                      2-1      7-3
    Case (1)                                 1-2      8-2
4. Carnegie Mellon                     0-3        4-6
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 10, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
Who is the fifth UAA coach?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 11, 2011, 01:20:23 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 10, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
Who is the fifth UAA coach?

My guess is that Chicago's coach, Dick Maloney, voted Wash and Case in a tie for first.  Chicago should be favored - given the number of returning starters.  However, a huge question mark at QB.  Last year, Marshall Ouim was injured early in the game against Elmhurst and did not play against Wabash.  The Maroons lost both those games.  Kevin Shelton and Vince Cortina did not distinguish themselves while he was out.  One of them needs to step up now that Ouim has graduated.  You cannot let the talent of Dee Brizzolara be wasted. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: martin on August 11, 2011, 01:20:23 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 10, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
Who is the fifth UAA coach?

My guess is that Chicago's coach, Dick Maloney, voted Wash and Case in a tie for first.  Chicago should be favored - given the number of returning starters.  However, a huge question mark at QB.  Last year, Marshall Ouim was injured early in the game against Elmhurst and did not play against Wabash.  The Maroons lost both those games.  Kevin Shelton and Vince Cortina did not distinguish themselves while he was out.  One of them needs to step up now that Ouim has graduated.  You cannot let the talent of Dee Brizzolara be wasted. 

Ah...poor CMU.  Somebody should have voted for all three of the other teams so that everybody gets a first place vote.  But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

I thought Cortina looked promising during his trial-by-fire at Wabash last year.  That's a tough spot for a freshman to get put in to and I think he did pretty well given the circumstances.  I have a feeling that Brizzolara will get his no matter who is throwing the ball.  He's really good. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 12, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

In many, if not most, pre-season coaches' polls, you do not vote for your own team - just the others.  So you will never see a unanimous number 1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 12, 2011, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM

Ah...poor CMU.  Somebody should have voted for all three of the other teams so that everybody gets a first place vote.  But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

I believe that Martin is correct - I'm pretty sure that you don't vote for your own team in the UAA poll.  In fact, I believe that he's correct that this generally is true of most preseason polls.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 12, 2011, 09:31:07 AM
I also agree that Brizzolara will get his no matter who's throwing the ball.  CMU's defensive backs couldn't have covered him last year if they were allowed to taser him at the LOS.

I think this could be a strong year for UAA.  I'm surprisingly optimistic about CMU despite the 4-6 season last year - the team returns a lot of promising young players on the OL and in the offensive backfield, and a second-year starter at QB always helps.  And each of the other three UAA schools return a good # of starters from teams that went 7-3 or 8-2.

CMU needs to come out guns-a-blazing in weeks 1 & 2.  They have a very winnable stretch of games at midseason before Witt and the UAA schedule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 12, 2011, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: martin on August 12, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

In many, if not most, pre-season coaches' polls, you do not vote for your own team - just the others.  So you will never see a unanimous number 1.

I realize that this is what happens, just pointing out the absurdity.  Sometimes, a team is so clearly head and shoulders above the rest of their league that voting for anybody else is just silly.  Current examples...Mount Union (when was the last time they didn't win the OAC), Franklin in the HCAC has clearly separated themselves, Trine in the MIAA, and probably Chicago this year in the UAA although to a lesser degree than the other examples.  It's a poll and the question is who is the best team in the league.  If you happen to coach the best team in the league, I don't think it's out of bounds to vote accordingly.  Honesty is ok. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: dahlby on August 12, 2011, 12:35:46 PM
Wally,

Maybe, except when it comes to bulletin board material?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 12, 2011, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 12, 2011, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: martin on August 12, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

In many, if not most, pre-season coaches' polls, you do not vote for your own team - just the others.  So you will never see a unanimous number 1.

I realize that this is what happens, just pointing out the absurdity.  Sometimes, a team is so clearly head and shoulders above the rest of their league that voting for anybody else is just silly.  Current examples...Mount Union (when was the last time they didn't win the OAC), Franklin in the HCAC has clearly separated themselves, Trine in the MIAA, and probably Chicago this year in the UAA although to a lesser degree than the other examples.  It's a poll and the question is who is the best team in the league.  If you happen to coach the best team in the league, I don't think it's out of bounds to vote accordingly.  Honesty is ok. 

It is not what happens - it is the rule of the pre-season poll.  Does anyone know why?

In the WIAC, you get to vote for you team.  UW-Whitewater got all 8 first place votes (http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2011/8/10/FB_0810112637.aspx) in the 2011 poll.

It seems the OAC does it the same as the UAA.  Their 2011 poll is not out yet.  But in 2010 (http://www.oac.org/MISC/2010footballpolls.pdf), Mt. Union got 9 first place votes while Otterbein and Ohio Northern split the tenth.  So you do get Larry Kehres opinion of the competition.  BTW, he was off by a bit - ONU was second at 8-1 and Baldwin Wallace finished third at 6-3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 12, 2011, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: martin on August 12, 2011, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 12, 2011, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: martin on August 12, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 11, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
But really, if Maloney is "splitting" his vote between WUStl and Case, then what he's really saying is that he thinks he has the best team but doesn't want to vote for himself.  Weaksauce.  If you've got the best team, vote for yourself.  It's ok.  Really.  I'm looking at you, every-coach-who-obviously-has-the-best-team-in-the-conference.

In many, if not most, pre-season coaches' polls, you do not vote for your own team - just the others.  So you will never see a unanimous number 1.

I realize that this is what happens, just pointing out the absurdity.  Sometimes, a team is so clearly head and shoulders above the rest of their league that voting for anybody else is just silly.  Current examples...Mount Union (when was the last time they didn't win the OAC), Franklin in the HCAC has clearly separated themselves, Trine in the MIAA, and probably Chicago this year in the UAA although to a lesser degree than the other examples.  It's a poll and the question is who is the best team in the league.  If you happen to coach the best team in the league, I don't think it's out of bounds to vote accordingly.  Honesty is ok. 

It is not what happens - it is the rule of the pre-season poll.  Does anyone know why?

In the WIAC, you get to vote for you team.  UW-Whitewater got all 8 first place votes (http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2011/8/10/FB_0810112637.aspx) in the 2011 poll.

It seems the OAC does it the same as the UAA.  Their 2011 poll is not out yet.  But in 2010 (http://www.oac.org/MISC/2010footballpolls.pdf), Mt. Union got 9 first place votes while Otterbein and Ohio Northern split the tenth.  So you do get Larry Kehres opinion of the competition.  BTW, he was off by a bit - ONU was second at 8-1 and Baldwin Wallace finished third at 6-3.

If it's a rule, then it's a crummy rule.  It's pretty absurd to ask somebody who they think the best team is and then tell them who they can't vote for (namely themselves). 

The WIAC poll that you referenced is a poll of WIAC SIDs.  Credit to the UWW SID for casting an honest ballot. 

Coach Kehres famously never votes his team #1 in anything until after that team has won something.  He's been voting in the AFCA poll for years and always casts his #1 vote for somebody else until after the Stagg Bowl.  That's just how he rolls. 

I think if leagues want to restrict the way a coach can vote in these polls or if coaches simply don't want to vote honestly (side note...my hunch is that coaches would rather not participate in these preseason polls at all...maybe another discussion), then leagues should just poll the SIDs as the WIAC has done.  Seems like you'd get a more honest assessment that way anyway. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: HCDawgs on August 12, 2011, 06:05:56 PM
Hiram's New Field!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
Looks like for 2012 ist's the NCAC-CWRU-CMU scheduling agreement:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv












Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 16, 2011, 06:52:32 AM
Hmmm...........

Marietta and Frostburg State.

I'd rather we play Kenyon every year.

Also, I'd like to see us play one of the DIII service academies (Coast Coard or Merchant Marine-King's Point) every year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 17, 2011, 04:53:48 PM
I've heard it through the grapevine that the CWRU/JCU game may possibly need to be switched to Case Field if JCU's new turf isn't ready in time.  Does anybody have any updates on this?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 17, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
Neither Marietta nor Frostburg thrill me.

A 2 on 2 off rotation with JCU and B-W in week one has a lot of appeal.

It seemed like JCU was starting late with the new turf.  As I recall they played in Beford while Shula was being built.  Brush looks to be free on the 3rd after a 3 pm soccer match.

STO will have the game rebroadcast at 11:30 that night.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 18, 2011, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 17, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
Neither Marietta nor Frostburg thrill me.

A 2 on 2 off rotation with JCU and B-W in week one has a lot of appeal.

It seemed like JCU was starting late with the new turf.  As I recall they played in Beford while Shula was being built.  Brush looks to be free on the 3rd after a 3 pm soccer match.

STO will have the game rebroadcast at 11:30 that night.

ADL70,

Any Pics on JCU's new field? :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 19, 2011, 02:09:45 PM
There was someone guarding the entrance and not letting people in, so I had to just take a picture from the fence.  You can't see the field too well, but the turf is complete while the track has not yet been installed.  (Click picture for larger version.)

(https://filer.case.edu/~jam40/public/jcu_field.jpg) (https://filer.case.edu/~jam40/public/jcu_field.jpg)

I'll try again over the weekend to see if I can get up into the stands to take a picture.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 19, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Spartan report from camp:

http://www.youtube.com/caseathletics
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on August 19, 2011, 02:09:45 PM
There was someone guarding the entrance and not letting people in, so I had to just take a picture from the fence.  You can't see the field too well, but the turf is complete while the track has not yet been installed.  (Click picture for larger version.)

(https://filer.case.edu/~jam40/public/jcu_field.jpg) (https://filer.case.edu/~jam40/public/jcu_field.jpg)

I'll try again over the weekend to see if I can get up into the stands to take a picture.

jam40jeff,

Thanks, looks good! +k :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 20, 2011, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 19, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Spartan report from camp:

http://www.youtube.com/caseathletics

Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2011, 12:27:30 AM
Jeff, Jagran, and E115 check your messages.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on August 26, 2011, 12:42:17 AM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2011 TOP 25 FAN POLL, PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS. Now that Kickoff is out, I'd like to get our first poll out by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
New Spartan unis (scroll down):

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/photos/0005/index

According to game preview Olson gets the start.

Frosh in the 2-deep Lapcevic (WR), Sicre (RB), J Allen (OL), and Streicher (DL).

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/files/fb_jcu_game_notes11.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 31, 2011, 01:17:00 AM
Case Western Reserve vs John Carroll preview: http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/2011083047blga

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2011, 02:09:10 AM
Gang,

I've got some GREAT news for CWRU!!!!

Washington Monthly magazine just put out its annual college rankings list.

Compared to other college ranking lists (USNEWS, BusinessWeek, Gourman Report, etc.) their rankings criteria are a bit non-traditional.

They emphasize things like "upward mobility" (including % of students receiving Pell Grants, and grad rates vs. pred. grad rates), "research" (research budget, faculty in national academies, bachelor degree recipients that go on to earn Ph.Ds, etc.), and "commitment to service" (measured by Peace Corps recruitment, ROTC, student involvement in community service, federal work-study funds, etc).

Personally, I'm VERY happy to report that CWRU finished #7 in the country, ahead of many "elite" schools, and tied with HARVARD in terms of overall score.

Princeton, MIT, and Rice.............EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT!!!

Read on.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings_2011/national_university_rank.php (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings_2011/national_university_rank.php)

You can also click on links for comparable rankings of national liberal arts colleges, etc.

As for this Saturday..............GO SPARTANS!!!!  BEAT JCU!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2011, 02:12:15 AM
ADL70,

Those new uniforms are UBER-KEWL!!!!

I especially like the huge "CASE" written in the new logo font across the front. 

Definitely an improvement over the past.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2011, 08:09:00 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on September 01, 2011, 02:12:15 AM
ADL70,

Those new uniforms are UBER-KEWL!!!!

I especially like the huge "CASE" written in the new logo font across the front. 

Definitely an improvement over the past.

GO SPARTANS!!!

I would have preferred "SPARTANS," since the athletic logos were redone during the Case-centric branding days and not updated when that focus was toned down (hence no CWRU logo) and would like a little grey trim.

Watched some of CalUPa's game last night (from whence Olson came).  Their QB was a DI transfer from VA who had been at UVa and Oregon St.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: panthersfan on September 02, 2011, 10:26:12 AM
Good to see a Gibson Southern Titan, OL Garrett Hartig, doing well in the college ranks at Case.  Great young man from a great family.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 03, 2011, 07:41:11 AM
GAMEDAY!!!
Good Luck to all UAA teams...
GO Bears!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 03, 2011, 10:43:48 PM
CWRU 24
JCU 17

Don Shula's grad school alma mater beats his undergrad alma mater.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 03, 2011, 11:00:18 PM
I'll take the W, but that was a sloppy, sloppy game for both teams.

4-0 for the UAA today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 04, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
Way to go UAA!

How about two defensive touchdowns by Ryan Ferguson for CWRU??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2011, 08:36:40 PM
Great start UAA!!!

Early frontrunner for newcomer of the year-CWRU's Manny Sicre.

Scored on a 75-yard TD and rushed for 97 more on his other 15 carries [6.5 yd/c even without the 75 yarder].  I don't recall another Spartan RB who was as quick.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 06, 2011, 10:28:51 AM
Great start for the UAA, indeed.

CWRU 24-17 over John Carroll.
CMU wins a 21-19 squeaker over a perenially-average Grove City team.  Not bad.
Chicago 44-25 over a Beloit team that's been respectable the past couple years.
WashU with a 28-10 decision over a below-average Knox team, but they did win easily.

From the "What the hell..." department, of interest to some UAA teams:

Allegheny was decisively handled by Bethany yesterday, 28-7.  Gheny has traditionally been in the "second tier" of the NCAC teams, behind Wabash and Wittenberg, and outside of those two has been the only NCAC team that consistently plays the UAA evenly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 06, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
Case had both Athlete of the Week awards for Week 1:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20110906yysexd

Hopefully that Freshman running back has four strong years!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 07, 2011, 05:31:24 PM
Any other UAA previews?

Case Western Reserve VS Rochester PREVIEW: http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/201109061dm4rd
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 07, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/photos/0001/ryan_ferguson_web.jpg?

Any chance they call him Rudy?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 08, 2011, 09:09:06 AM
CMU-Gheny preview

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/football/news/2011/alleghenypreview.html

Early in the season, but really a huge game for CMU.  Very winnable series of games after this one; a big W here could put the Tartans on track to reach the halfway point with a very solid record.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2011, 08:19:31 AM
Good luck to the UAA teams today.

Predictions per Massey Ratings:

CMU over Allegheny  66% confidence
CWRU over Rochester 73%
Chicago over Concordia IL 69%
WUStL over Rhodes 70%
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 10, 2011, 08:27:13 PM
Bears Win 48-21!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 10, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
Wash-U defeats Rhodes at home 48-21.  Easton Knott had 3 TD receptions, 2 in the first half en route to a 31-7 halftime lead. 

In the first half, there was the oddity of dueling onside kicks.  When Rhodes tied the game at 7-7 with a TD with 3:00 left in the first quarter, it tried an undisguised onside kick...with 6 players lined up on the near side of the field, and the kick purposefully angled in that direction.  Wash-U recovered, and subsequently scored a TD to go up 14-7 with 1:26 left in the quarter.  Then, Wash-U recovered its own pop-fly onside kick at the Rhodes 43-yard-line...and it scored a TD on the 3rd scoring pass to Knott, one minute into the second quarter for a 21-7 lead.

On the ensuing possession, Rhodes tries to convert a 4th-and-2 on its own 40 yard line and fails to do so.  Wash-U responds with another TD to up 28-7, and was not threatened for the remainder of the game.  The Bears substituted liberally in the 2nd half, with 5 QBs throwing at least one pass and 12 players that caught at least one pass.

Wash-U (2-0) hosts Wittenberg next Saturday at 1:00 Central.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Bad day at Black Rock for all but the Bears.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on September 13, 2011, 09:13:27 PM


http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb9-13-11.aspx (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb9-13-11.aspx)


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: joelmama on September 17, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
A little bit of Brizzolara goes a long way for UC
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 18, 2011, 07:49:43 PM
Great win for the Maroons.

Excellent performance by the Bears.

Seems like the ideal week for CWRU to have an open date.  Two weeks to work on the offense and shore up a thin defensive secondary, before facing a Denison team that has put up big offensive #s the last two weeks.

NYTimes article on the Chicago program:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sports/ncaafootball/at-the-university-of-chicago-football-and-higher-education-mix.html?_r=3&hp


Talk that Trinity (TX) and Austin may look to schedule the UAA teams in 2013.  If that proves true, one more affiliate would produce an AQ.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/index

Candidate for team 7--Macalester  [St Paul MN]?

An independant in football   Similar academic profile of students  Have been on Chicago's schedule   

But would they want the travel?   They have a game with Hiram this year that is being played in Chicago  But they have played Lewis and Clark, Colorado College, Oberlin and Kenyon
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
That would be a good, academically oriented coalition.  Hopefully, it'll form, and be eligible for an automatic playoff berth.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 23, 2011, 06:13:24 PM
Just a reminder that tomorrow's Wash U @ NPU contest will have a live audio webcast. Click on the Listen Live link (http://www.northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Football) to catch all the action. Kickoff is at 1 pm.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2011, 10:39:56 PM
Good win by the Spartans today, 24-6.

Erik Olson definitely "arrived" as QB this weekend.

I was worried about our offense after last week, but we appear to be getting better.  Good job Coach D!

Allegheny should be a VERY tough game next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 27, 2011, 09:18:07 AM
UAA looks kind of hard to figure right now.

CWRU (2-1) opened with a nice win over a respectable John Carroll team, then suffered a dreadful home loss to a mediocre-at-best Rochester team, but bounced back with with a sloppy-but-decisive win over a middling Denison team that does have two wins and generally hovers around .500 in the NCAC.  So...who is CWRU, really?  We'll find out a little more in the next two weeks with games vs. Allegheny and an improving Oberlin squad.  In particular, the Allegheny game should be a good measuring stick, as they've played a number of VERY competitive games with both CWRU and CMU over the past five seasons.  If CWRU beats Allegheny and Oberlin, they should be 5-1 going into Wooster + the UAA schedule.

Carnegie Mellon (2-2) is off to a slightly-disappointing start.  Opened with a two-point win over Grove City, then a disappointing loss to Allegheny, one-point loss to Catholic, and a decisive win over NCAC doormat Kenyon.  CMU plays another perennial doormat this week in Hiram (albeit one that has shown signs of life) and then a deceptively-tough Ohio Wesleyan team.  Much like CWRU above, if CMU does what's expected over the next two weeks, they should be 4-2 leading into the Wittenberg + UAA stretch.

Chicago (2-2) and WashU (2-2) are perhaps the most puzzling. 

Chicago has flip-flopped between quality wins (Beloit and Elmhurst) and bad losses (Concordia and Wabash).  The loss to 'Bash is expected, but they were badly handled, and the loss to Concordia is outright mystifying (they beat Concordia by 30+ points last year).  Chicago has a winnable stretch of OWU, Denison, and Kenyon so they might well be 5-2 by the time UAA ball rolls around...or they could be 3-4 if they don't show up vs. OWU and Denison.

WashU (2-2) was off to a strong start with decisive wins over Knox and Rhodes, then dropped a tight game to Wittenberg (which isn't a BAD loss by any means), but then dropped an inexplicable loss to North Park.  Even considering that North Park is 3-0 on the year, they've beaten two relatively weak opponents, and going back the last few years they have won a total of six games in the last five seasons.  They haven't won a CCIW game in TEN YEARS, a stretch of 70+ games.  Any way you slice it, that's a tough loss to explain unless North Park manages a couple wins in CCIW play this year.  It also happens that WashU has to play 'Bash and Wooster in the next two weeks (probably the toughest draw of any UAA team as far as NCAC play goes...they have to p[lay Witt, Wabash, and Wooster, teams #1, 2, and 4 in the NCAC pecking order).  Ouch.

Basically, every team can lay claim to at least one pretty good win and one pretty disappointing loss.  I'm guessing that CWRU is 5-2, Chicago 5-2, CMU 4-3, and WashU 3-4 by the time we get to UAA play...and that still doesn't give me a good feeling about any team being the "strongest."  It wouldn't surprise me if WashU enters conference play with the worrst overall record and runs the table (kind of like 2005, when Chicago entered UAA play 0-4 and reeled off five straight wins to finish the season).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 30, 2011, 08:18:43 AM
DVR ALERT

CWRU @ Allegheny will be on Fox Sports Atlantic at 1pm

TW Channel 319 [most areas]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 09:51:48 AM
I'm trying to get a copy of the Case/Allegheny game, looked like a couple of questionable no-calls by the ref's, thats why I would like to view it....that being said, I guess a win is a win. Game should have never got to the point it did. Combination of some droppped passes to RB's along with some misfires to open receivers really hurt. Between the 20's was great, inside the 20 was a different story. I will guess 5 or 6 times inside the 20 with a field goal and the last TD to show for it. Hats off to the defense (AGAIN) they really only gave up the one long pass play, after a personal foul. O-line has to figure out a way to step it up (a couple of baby steps would go a long way). As far as the kicking game.....I'll just say go for it on 4th down (if too close to punt) and go for 2 after a TD.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on October 03, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
    "WashU has to play 'Bash and Wooster in the next two weeks (probably the toughest draw of any UAA team as far as NCAC play goes...they have to p[lay Witt, Wabash, and Wooster, teams #1, 2, and 4 in the NCAC pecking order).  Ouch."

ExTartanPlayer ... mostly true ... except you have the pecking order wrong:  It is first Wabash, then Witt, then later Woo.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 03, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: wabco on October 03, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
    "WashU has to play 'Bash and Wooster in the next two weeks (probably the toughest draw of any UAA team as far as NCAC play goes...they have to p[lay Witt, Wabash, and Wooster, teams #1, 2, and 4 in the NCAC pecking order).  Ouch."

ExTartanPlayer ... mostly true ... except you have the pecking order wrong:  It is first Wabash, then Witt, then later Woo.

lol.  I generally consider Bash/Witt to be 1A and 1B, but it is worth pointing out that the two-time defending NCAC champs hail from Wittenberg, not Wabash.

I've also dropped my opinion of Wooster as #4, given their loss to Denison.  It's kind of hard to figure out who #3-4-5 should be in the NCAC right now...some combination of Allegheny, Denison, Oberlin, Wooster, and OWU.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised by pretty much any result between those teams.  I thought Wooster was pretty clearly the best of that bunch, but now I really think it might be Denison...although Gheny has just come through a pretty rough stretch of schedule and might reel off a few wins in a row.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 03, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 09:51:48 AM
I'm trying to get a copy of the Case/Allegheny game, looked like a couple of questionable no-calls by the ref's, thats why I would like to view it....that being said, I guess a win is a win. Game should have never got to the point it did. Combination of some droppped passes to RB's along with some misfires to open receivers really hurt. Between the 20's was great, inside the 20 was a different story. I will guess 5 or 6 times inside the 20 with a field goal and the last TD to show for it. Hats off to the defense (AGAIN) they really only gave up the one long pass play, after a personal foul. O-line has to figure out a way to step it up (a couple of baby steps would go a long way). As far as the kicking game.....I'll just say go for it on 4th down (if too close to punt) and go for 2 after a TD.

I guess Fox wouldnt let Allegheny archive the video.  I have it on DVR.  Which plays were you interested in?  Certainly the block in the back on the punt return that was called would have been a good no call, since the Allegheny player essentially ran in front of the CWRU player and he tried to avoid the contact.

Three different linemen have tried to replace TonyO and Abbott went down late in the game too.

There is a sophmore on the soccer team from Avon who was also an all district kicker.  He hasn't played much [not at all thjis year], could he be recruited?  In fairness, at Denison there were a number of high snaps. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Not having the benefit of replay....I was interested in the two throws to the end zone...both times it looked like the defender never looked for the ball...just threw their arms up to the recievers face....or is that just a NFL rule about face guarding??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 04, 2011, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Not having the benefit of replay....I was interested in the two throws to the end zone...both times it looked like the defender never looked for the ball...just threw their arms up to the recievers face....or is that just a NFL rule about face guarding??

I don't believe the NFL or the NCAA have a rule against face guarding.  Pass interference requires contact of some sort to be made.  Face guarding certainly increases the likelihood that contact between the defense and the receiver is not timed properly, but face guarding all by itself is not a foul. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 04, 2011, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 04, 2011, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Not having the benefit of replay....I was interested in the two throws to the end zone...both times it looked like the defender never looked for the ball...just threw their arms up to the recievers face....or is that just a NFL rule about face guarding??

I don't believe the NFL or the NCAA have a rule against face guarding.  Pass interference requires contact of some sort to be made.  Face guarding certainly increases the likelihood that contact between the defense and the receiver is not timed properly, but face guarding all by itself is not a foul.
Thank you for the clearing that up for me....guess I'm living in the past about that situation.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2011, 07:51:05 PM
What Wally said is how I remember the rule.  The DB can make contact going for the ball, but not if he isn't.

On the fourth-down play, I thought both the DB on Metlesitz and on Lapcevic seemed to looking for the ball.  But I was yelling at the screen "Run!"

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 09, 2011, 06:36:47 PM
Substantial improvement this week in the phases of the game that had been lagging behind the defense.  The offense hit its stride, even with the patched-up line.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 10, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
Nice week all-around for UAA.

CMU came through with a good clean performance against OWU.  While the competition was not stellar, it was good to see CMU finally play a good solid game (after fairly sloppy wins against Kenyon and Hiram).  Tough one vs. an angry Witt team next week, but will enter UAA play no worse than 4-3.

CWRU did the same against a surprisingly-tough Oberlin team, and should be 6-1 after games vs. Hiram and Wooster.

Chicago, despite my misgivings after their loss to Concordia, has bounced back and should be 5-2 after a date with Kenyon next week.

WashU lost 24-3 to Wabash, but acquitted themselves pretty well, especially defensively.  It was a 10-3 game at halftime, and even then only because of Chamblee's punt return.  I still think WashU, despite a 2-3 record, may be the best of the UAA teams.  They should bounce back in the next two weeks vs. Wooster and Oberlin and could be 4-3 by the UAA schedule.

In summary, I think that we're looking at another season of all four UAA teams entering the UAA schedule over .500, ranging from 6-1 to 4-3.  I was concerned early this year that the UAA was a tad down (most concerned after WashU's curious loss to North Park, CWRU's curious loss to Rochy, and Chicago's curious loss to Concordia)

*I know that I'm just assuming the UAA squads will beat Wooster, something that normally isn't such a "given" like games vs. Hiram, Kenyon, Denison, and the other NCAC "dregs"...but this looks like the worst Woo team of the last decade or so.  Two very unimpressive wins (14-3 over Oberlin and 10-6 over OWU...both teams that gave up 40+ points to UAA opponents this week) and a 27-13 loss to Denison (who gave up 38 to Chicago this week) at home?  I just can't see Wooster beating CWRU or WashU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 23, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
Case did come out very flat on both sides of the ball vs. Wooster. Combined with a fired up Wooster team made for some tense moments. But a win is a win as they say. Woosters fumble in OT was not their biggest mistake of the game. Wooster committed 4 personal fouls during Case's 2nd drive of the 2nd half which led to a Case TD. I know Case feels fortunate to play as they did and still earn a win. Now comes the UAA season....not going to be easy at all. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
With Saturday's win the Spartans have had six concecutive non-losing seasons for the first time in program history and five consecutive winning seasons for the second time.

Great to see the Vasil make the game winning FG.  With his early struggles I haven't heard any mention of the fact that something (injury/illness?) kept him out of the pre-season scrimmage.  Both holder and LS have been changed in the course of the season.  In the last three games he has been 12/13 PAT and 5/6 FG.

Guess we got the answer to the faceguarding question.  Metlsitz has passed Brizzolara to lead the UAA in both catches and yards per game.

Curiously the first five and last five CWRU-Wooster games were won by the Spartans.  In between they were 1-13.

On a personal note, my participation on these boards havde reached biblical proportions.  I'm advised I have been logged on for 40 days.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 25, 2011, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
With Saturday's win the Spartans have had six concecutive non-losing seasons for the first time in program history and five consecutive winning seasons for the second time.

Great to see the Vasil make the game winning FG.  With his early struggles I haven't heard any mention of the fact that something (injury/illness?) kept him out of the pre-season scrimmage.  Both holder and LS have been changed in the course of the season.  In the last three games he has been 12/13 PAT and 5/6 FG.

Guess we got the answer to the faceguarding question.  Metlsitz has passed Brizzolara to lead the UAA in both catches and yards per game.

Curiously the first five and last five CWRU-Wooster games were won by the Spartans.  In between they were 1-13.

On a personal note, my participation on these boards havde reached biblical proportions.  I'm advised I have been logged on for 40 days.

I can only assume that the PI call on Sat. was because of contact while the ball was in the air, and not being able to see a replay of the Allegheny non-calls where I guess no contact was made...could be a very entertaining next 3 weeks...Case cannot come out flat again
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 25, 2011, 09:48:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
With Saturday's win the Spartans have had six concecutive non-losing seasons for the first time in program history and five consecutive winning seasons for the second time.

Great to see the Vasil make the game winning FG.  With his early struggles I haven't heard any mention of the fact that something (injury/illness?) kept him out of the pre-season scrimmage.  Both holder and LS have been changed in the course of the season.  In the last three games he has been 12/13 PAT and 5/6 FG.

Guess we got the answer to the faceguarding question.  Metlsitz has passed Brizzolara to lead the UAA in both catches and yards per game.

Curiously the first five and last five CWRU-Wooster games were won by the Spartans.  In between they were 1-13.

On a personal note, my participation on these boards havde reached biblical proportions.  I'm advised I have been logged on for 40 days.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111024obebo3

Congrats to Dan and Wade on the weekly UAA awards. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 25, 2011, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Case04 on October 25, 2011, 09:11:36 AM
...could be a very entertaining next 3 weeks...Case cannot come out flat again

Agree with this.  At various points this season, each of the UAA schools has shown enough promise to convince me that all four are capable of beating one another on any given day. 

CWRU has the best overall record (6-1) and probably the best single win (4-3 John Carroll, whose other losses came against Mt Union and then a 24-21 to a very solid Ohio Northern team).  For a while CWRU's loss to Rochester looked awful, but Rochy has gained some momentum at 3-3 and that doesn't look quite so bad any more.

Chicago has pretty much shot even-par with their 5-2 record.  Most of the wins came against opponents they "should" beat, with a puzzling loss to Concordia offset by a very nice upset against a decent CCIW team in Elmhurst.  Should Elmhurst finish 4th in the CCIW, that would be a nice feather in the UAA's cap (although we're obviously not quite competitive with the CCIW's Big Three teams).

Carnegie Mellon is also sitting at about even-par (IMHO) at 4-3 thus far.  The lopsided loss to Allegheny is disappointing (the margin moreso than the actual defeat), and of course the close losses to Catholic and Witt are heartbreakers, but CMU has struggled to win those types of games since the glory days of...2006 (tongue planted firmly in cheek here).  The four wins all came against lackluster opponents, but CMU did do what they had to in order to win those games.  An upset over Witt would have been huge, but there is still the UAA title to play for.

WashU is the only team that I find mildly disappointing, despite their 4-3 record.  I know too well that one should never count the Bears out in the UAA race, and truth be told I still think that the Bears are dangerous; two of their losses came against the big W's in the NCAC, but the loss to North Park looks worse with each passing week, and the struggles to beat Wooster and Oberlin are mildly disconcerting.

As I said: it wouldn't surprise me at all if the UAA ends up a complete mishmash over the next few weeks, with no unanimous champ.  Should be fun!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 27, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
Check out the student created Facebook page for the "Case Western vs Chicago" game.

The woman is CWRU President Barbara Snyder.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=224808537585743
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2011, 08:44:03 PM
I see CWRU, Chicago, and WUStL as almost dead even.  Edge to the home team perhaps.  CMU might surprise, but the Spartan D has had the measure of the Tartans the last few years.

The gurus have CWRU 8th in the North in their mock regional rankings.  Spartans still a bit of a long-shot and would face a 1 or 2 see if they do make the field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 29, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 27, 2011, 08:44:03 PM
I see CWRU, Chicago, and WUStL as almost dead even.  Edge to the home team perhaps.  CMU might surprise, but the Spartan D has had the measure of the Tartans the last few years.

The gurus have CWRU 8th in the North in their mock regional rankings.  Spartans still a bit of a long-shot and would face a 1 or 2 see if they do make the field.

Looks like you were correct on that analysis of the league being dead even...

Case over Chicago 6-0
Wash U over Carnegie Mellon 14-7

Interesting note regarding Case's playoff chances: (also Case's freshman running back makes the cover photo)

Ryan's take: Case Western Reserve. The Spartans line up against their stiffest UAA competition, Chicago, this weekend. For my part, Case hasn't really been on my radar yet. Their games have been close, and Pool B entry to the postseason is scarcer than ever. But, as noted above, Wesley could pick up loss No. 2 this weekend, which means Case should be determined to finish out 9-1 if they hope to make the playoffs. With the selection committee now able to factor in previous playoff performance, Case is in trouble with its few one-and-dones under their belt. So the Spartans shouldn't simply be looking to win but rather to win convincingly.

LINK: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/10/28/triple-take-watchlist-for-records/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 29, 2011, 08:59:51 PM
Spartans were aided by what I regard as a too severe penalty rule.  Freshman Chicago LB picks off a pass and returns it 56 yards to the end zone in the first quarter, but at the five yard line he holds the ball out, to the side, not toward the goal line.  Correctly he was called for unsportsmanlike conduct.  My issue with the rule is that' as of this year, the penalty is assessed from the five yard line, thus negating the touchdown, and Chicago is penalized fifteen yards.  CWRU keeps them out of the endzone and the fourth down FG is blocked.

While I would agree with fifteen yards for true in-your-face taunting, this seems to me to be too severe a penalty for mere exuberance.  The rule seems to me to be almost exclusively applied to displays by players with the ball.  It's been explained to me that the behavior which warrants the flag is "calling attention to oneself."  But I cannot recall a single instance when a defensive player was flagged for celebrating after a big play not involving a change of possession.

Penalizing the offending team fifteen yards places the penalty in the some category with penalties for dangerous plays (clipping, chop block, etc) or those which involve a violation of the rules which result in the stopping of an offensive play or allowing an offensive gain (pass interference.)

It seems to me that a five yard penalty which allows the result of the play to stand is an appropriate penalty for "exuberance" and I wish that it be applied equally to defensive individual displays.

Now off my soap box.

Incredible defensive performance by the Spartans.  Coach Debs pre-game described the strategy as "posses the ball and let the defense and special teams win it for us."  Just what happened.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on October 30, 2011, 12:04:41 AM
What happened to the kid from Chicago made me think back to the old saying... "act like you have been there before"....run the ball across the goal line, set it down or hand it to the ref and celebrate on the way back to the sideline...probably both teams learned that lesson today and one freshman LB knows it cost his team the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
115  I am hardly alone is noting the UAA parity.

04 The LB might have cost his team the game.  Chicago still had the ball in the redzone and couldn't score.  No points for Chicgo enabled the Spartans to stay with the game plan.  The play calling would have been different if Chicago had seven points. 

These stats http://athletics.uchicago.edu/football/case-uc.htm (not the less complete PrestoSports stats) say Chicago was 0-3 in the redzone (I see a fourth time that Chicago got inside the 20). 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 30, 2011, 02:11:19 PM
I know we won the game (great defensive effort) but Monday morning quarterbacks always have to find something to question... :)

Why didn't we take a safety when we were punting out of our own endzone with just a few min left?  (We punted on 3rd down, too, so we could have run the ball one more time then taken the safety to run more time off the clock and possibly get a first down before taking the safety.)  Then we would have had a free kick from 20-25 yards further up and been up by 4 rather than 6, the difference of which is completely inconsequential at that point in the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2011, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 29, 2011, 08:59:51 PM
Spartans were aided by what I regard as a too severe penalty rule.  Freshman Chicago LB picks off a pass and returns it 56 yards to the end zone in the first quarter, but at the five yard line he holds the ball out, to the side, not toward the goal line.  Correctly he was called for unsportsmanlike conduct.  My issue with the rule is that' as of this year, the penalty is assessed from the five yard line, thus negating the touchdown, and Chicago is penalized fifteen yards.  CWRU keeps them out of the endzone and the fourth down FG is blocked.

While I would agree with fifteen yards for true in-your-face taunting, this seems to me to be too severe a penalty for mere exuberance.  The rule seems to me to be almost exclusively applied to displays by players with the ball.  It's been explained to me that the behavior which warrants the flag is "calling attention to oneself."  But I cannot recall a single instance when a defensive player was flagged for celebrating after a big play not involving a change of possession.

While I agree, I feel it should be pointed out that the NCAA phased in the penalty phase of this over the past two seasons. Kids have had plenty of time to know this was coming.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
With respect to the celebration rule:

Pat, of course you're right that the NCAA has been very public about phasing this rule in (heck, if the kids are Division I football fans, they've probably seen the video of the LSU punter getting a touchdown taken off the board for something that looked like a VERY docile "celebration").

With that said, I share ADL70's viewpoint completely.  I'm all for enforcing sportsmanship, but I believe that the NCAA rule is TOO stringent, and I'm not a bit fan of penalizing the sheer exuberance of an athlete caught up in the excitement of a big play.  Pre-meditated touchdown dances bother me a lot more than kids holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line.

If you want to penalize the celebration, fine, I guess I can live with that, but I'd prefer the "old" NCAA rule of allowing the play to stand, and then penalizing yardage (either on the PAT or the kickoff).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:25:50 PM
With respect to the UAA action this week, in general:

I was a little surprised in the low-scoring action (moreso in the CWRU-Chicago game than in CMU-WashU).  CWRU obviously remains in the driver's seat, but I suspect they'll need a little more from their offense at some point in the next two weeks.

I'm disappointed that CMU lost to WashU, but it looks like the type of game I expected (grind-it-out low scoring affair).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 31, 2011, 01:40:20 PM
I may be wrong, but all he has to do is cross the goal line, then if he wants to go bonkers and celebrate and eat 15 yards on the next play he can and the points still count.  I agree that the rule is overkill (like killing an ant with a missle strike overkill), but everybody has to KNOW that you can't celebrate before the play is over. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 31, 2011, 01:40:20 PM
I may be wrong, but all he has to do is cross the goal line, then if he wants to go bonkers and celebrate and eat 15 yards on the next play he can and the points still count.  I agree that the rule is overkill (like killing an ant with a missle strike overkill), but everybody has to KNOW that you can't celebrate before the play is over.

You're correct, wally; if the player crosses the goal line, all bets are off, the touchdown will stand.  In fact, that's part of my issue with this rule; I think that celebrations after the player crosses the goal line are more often premeditated and/or purely for the "look at me" factor, while a guy that holds the ball out on his way into the endzone is more likely just caught up in the excitement of the moment.*

*Note: if the player turns around and holds the ball out in the direction of an opposing player, that's a different story, because that is quite clearly meant to taunt the opponent.  I'm referring to a player that continues to look forward at the endzone that eventually raises the ball either in front of him or to the side.

Suppose that you're a starting LB for a midlevel Division III school who presumably never "runs" the ball anymore as a defensive player & therefore you have not scored a touchdown since high school.  You have intercepted a pass in a scoreless ballgame against your bitter conference rival and you are streaking down the sideline with no one nearby.  You're about to score what might be the biggest touchdown of the season for your team; it could propel your team to a conference title.  I can easily imagine myself, in that situation, showing a little exuberance and pumping a fist or something before I reached the endzone - and I was one of the most buttoned-down, do-what-coach-says, everybody-follow-the-rules kinda guys on EVERY team that I played for (from midget football throuh college).

Obviously, there are shades of gray to this whole thing, and I'm not so much arguing the officials calling the rule as written as I am arguing against the rule's existence in the first place.

+k for your thoughts, wally.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 30, 2011, 02:11:19 PM
I know we won the game (great defensive effort) but Monday morning quarterbacks always have to find something to question... :)

Why didn't we take a safety when we were punting out of our own endzone with just a few min left?  (We punted on 3rd down, too, so we could have run the ball one more time then taken the safety to run more time off the clock and possibly get a first down before taking the safety.)  Then we would have had a free kick from 20-25 yards further up and been up by 4 rather than 6, the difference of which is completely inconsequential at that point in the game.

Jeff

The quick kick surprised me, so I didn't think of the potential to take the safety. 

No doubt not kicking to Brizollara played a role in the quick kick decision.  CWRU's KOs were 54, 39, and 31 yards as they kept it away from him.  Clearly on punts the plan was to try to kick out of bounds, which is a penalty on a free kick.  On a free kick from the 20, I believe the spot would have been the CWRU45 (better than the CWRU 36 that the quick kick yielded).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 01, 2011, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
With respect to the celebration rule:

Pat, of course you're right that the NCAA has been very public about phasing this rule in (heck, if the kids are Division I football fans, they've probably seen the video of the LSU punter getting a touchdown taken off the board for something that looked like a VERY docile "celebration").


For those curious, here's the youtube video of that LSU play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ivK1pt1aY
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 02, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
With that said, I share ADL70's viewpoint completely.  I'm all for enforcing sportsmanship, but I believe that the NCAA rule is TOO stringent, and I'm not a bit fan of penalizing the sheer exuberance of an athlete caught up in the excitement of a big play.  Pre-meditated touchdown dances bother me a lot more than kids holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line.

I agree that the penalty is a little too harsh, but what the kid did wasn't just "holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line".  If he had just done that, I don't think you would have seen a penalty at all.  Instead, he slowed down and pointed the ball back at the QB who was chasing after him, obviously directly taunting an opponent while the play was still going on, which I think is worse than "pre-meditated touchdown dances" (which yes, are also very annoying).

EDIT: I see you mention in a later post that it is different if the player taunts the defender by pointing at him, which is exactly what the kid did.  Even the Chicago fans were yelling at the kid and not the refs after the penalty was called.  Especially with the emphasis the officials will naturally be placing on the new rule, this had to be a golden opportunity for the ref to "try out" the new penalty, and just a bonehead move by a kid who will hopefully learn a little humility out of the whole ordeal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on November 02, 2011, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on November 02, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
With that said, I share ADL70's viewpoint completely.  I'm all for enforcing sportsmanship, but I believe that the NCAA rule is TOO stringent, and I'm not a bit fan of penalizing the sheer exuberance of an athlete caught up in the excitement of a big play.  Pre-meditated touchdown dances bother me a lot more than kids holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line.

I agree that the penalty is a little too harsh, but what the kid did wasn't just "holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line".  If he had just done that, I don't think you would have seen a penalty at all.  Instead, he slowed down and pointed the ball back at the QB who was chasing after him, obviously directly taunting an opponent while the play was still going on, which I think is worse than "pre-meditated touchdown dances" (which yes, are also very annoying).

EDIT: I see you mention in a later post that it is different if the player taunts the defender by pointing at him, which is exactly what the kid did.  Even the Chicago fans were yelling at the kid and not the refs after the penalty was called.  Especially with the emphasis the officials will naturally be placing on the new rule, this had to be a golden opportunity for the ref to "try out" the new penalty, and just a bonehead move by a kid who will hopefully learn a little humility out of the whole ordeal.

That is how I saw the play....Chicago LB pointed the ball directly at the QB trying to chase him down....at the 5 yd line....pretty obvious call on him....hard lesson learned
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 02, 2011, 10:16:58 PM
I just watched the replay and now see the QB was closer than I recalled.  I never said the call wasn't obvious.  I was yelling for the flag as soon as I saw him stick the ball out.  I still think the punishment is too severe for the crime.

As I am typing this an OU player makes an 81 yard run dives into the endzone from the three yard line, with no defender close.  No call.  Go figure.  To add to my rant, there appear to be no criteria to define what is unsportsmanlike.  The referee went so far as to say:  "There is no foul for unsportmanlike conduct."  I'm sure I've seen the endzone dive flagged.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 02, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
CWRU is a surprising fifth in the North regional rankings.  Highest ranked non-AQ team in the region.  Get a "pass" on the loss to Rochester as it is not in-region.  Wesley is third in the South, so it should get the "B" if it beats Huntingdon.  But if everyone wins out, it looks good for Spartans to get a "C."

Time to root for Huntingdon, North Central, Mt Union, DePauw, John Carroll, Wooster, Denison, and Hanover (I'd add Earlham, but what's the point.).  Huntingdon over Wesley increases chance for B bid.  DePauw over Wabash and Hanover over Franklin increase chances of getting a first round home game.  Carroll, Wooster, and Denison wins help the SOS.

But gotta TCB in the UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 03, 2011, 08:00:47 AM
ADL (and other CWRU fans),

The regional rankings are TERRIFIC news for you.  Even if one of the CCIW teams jumps you, you're still in great shape for a potential C bid.  Huntingdon over Wesley would be the best scenario for you (since that would probably give you the B bid), but I think that's a pretty big stretch.  Definitely want to root for JCU, Wooster, and Denison.

More importantly, you also probably want to root for Wabash to beat Witt, since that probably knocks Wittenberg out of Pool C contention.  If Wittenberg beats Wabash, now Witt takes the NCAC's Pool A bid and you're up against Wabash in Pool C.

*One additional note: with that said...I honestly do not believe that your team is worthy of such a lofty ranking.  I've got a great deal of respect for what the CWRU program has done since 2007, but solely based on this year's results I do not believe that CWRU is worthy of a playoff bid.  The season-opening win over JCU is probably your best win; next-best will be some combination of the UAA teams and Allegheny.  IMHO, that should not offset the Rochester loss, especially when you're stacked up against teams like Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan, who are 7-1 against much tougher schedules (for a look at how the UAA stacks up vs. the CCIW, consider that Chicago, despite stealing the win thanks to a 93-yard INT return and a late-game punt return, was thoroughly outplayed by Elmhurst; now look at what Wheaton/NCC/IWU did to Elmhurst).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2011, 08:35:31 PM
XTP

Fundamentally I agree with all you've said.  I've yet to vote for the Spartans in the North Region Fan Poll.  If JCU beats Heidelberg I'll put them in.  Due to the absurd non-region status of the Rochester loss, the wins you mention do offset that loss, at least according to the criteria.

If Huntingdon beats Wesley they present a bit of a conundrum; two losses, but two wins over regionally ranked teams.

First, TCB in UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 05, 2011, 01:24:07 PM
Here's the Wash U- Case Western preview out of Cleveland:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111101cwapqo

Side note: I heard Case had to take a bus this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 05, 2011, 01:31:20 PM
^Also, you can watch the game on live streaming here:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/wustl.portal#
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 05, 2011, 02:09:55 PM
Case's kicking game has come a long way since the Denison game. :)  Up 13-6 at half.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 05, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Case wins 16-6 and only gives up 80 yards rushing.

CMU beats Chicago 28-13.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2011, 12:27:13 PM
WUStL rushing: 1st qtr  42yds  rest of game 38.

I'm not saying it's a cinch win, but I have a good feeling that Spartan D can handle CMU run game based upon last year's shutout.

CWRU has clinched at least a share of the UAA title.  That's 4 out of last 5 years.

Congrats to to MSoc which shared title w/WUStL and gets the AQ.

WSoc should also be in the playoffs as they were ranked #`1 in region, before tie w/Rochester.

VB finished 4th and 1-3 were ranked in the top 20.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 06, 2011, 01:52:39 PM
Good to see CMU pick up their fifth win after last year's losing season snapped the 30-some year streak of .500-plus seasons.

ADL, I agree that CWRU should be the favorite against CMU, but I wouldn't count them out, especially after CMU's nice win vs. Chicago this week.  This year's CMU team is obviously improved over last year's (which gave up 61 points to Chicago).

All four UAA teams guaranteed to finish .500 or better.  Perhaps we're not the toughest league in Division III, but we do all right for a four-team, academics-first league.

Playoff implications:

CWRU in the running for Pool B/C berth with victory next week.  I've previously stated that I do not believe CWRU is truly worthy of a berth this year, but if they do get a bid I will be pulling for them 100% as a huge overall UAA fan.

UAA title scenarios:

CWRU wins outright with win over CMU next week.

If CMU beats CWRU and WashU beats Chicago, we have a three-way tie for title.

If CMU beats CWRU and Chicago beats WashU, then CMU-CWRU tie at 2-1, and CMU wins by virtue of head-to-head victory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
#1 rush O v #1 rush...Showdown on Forbes Avenue

Yes, in a rational world Illinois Wesleyan would get in ahead of CWRU, but this is the NCAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 06, 2011, 08:59:10 PM
Case Western has finally arrived on the radar of the D3 Top 25, receiving 2 votes:

http://d3football.com/top25/2011/week10

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
It's rivalry week in the UAA

Chicago at WUStL playing for the Founders Cup.  Bears lead the series 17-7

CWRU at CMU in the Academic Bowl.  Tartans hold a 26-14 edge.

This year's Spartan senior class in playing for a third outright UAA title, a 37-5 record (pending a playoff game), and a playoff game would be the third during their careers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 11, 2011, 09:08:04 PM
CMU-CWRU preview from Cleveland:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111108adwbdh
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 12, 2011, 10:49:29 PM
Good victory by Case over our arch-rivals to win the UAA for the fourth time in the last five years.

Case 38
CMU 24

Let's hope that the NCAA playoff selection committee forgives our little mishap about Rochester, and gives us a bid!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
Salisbury steak on the Spartan's menu?

All indications are the season is not over.

CMU rushing 68 yards, great job by the D (aidede by 6 sacks for -41).  English adds two to his sack total, recovers a fumble, and returns an int 43 yards!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 13, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
I am sorry, CWRU fans, that you did not receive a playoff berth.  Perhaps you should have by the letter of the bylaws (with the focus on regional record); but I feel that justice was done.

The only real guarantee in Pool B is an undefeated overall record, and your lone blemish came against a very mediocre team. 
Had you been undefeated, I would have surely been pleading your case.

Tough break for the CWRU seniors, though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2011, 09:42:42 PM
We coulda/shoulda had another shot at Wabash.

Over on the Wabas, err NCAC board, it was suggested that IC had a stronger SoS and a less-damning loss.

My reply:

Seriously? 0.497 v 0.487  stronger by only .01 and in fact CWRU had a slightly better OWP?

How is getting blown out by 41 points (by an in-region team only ranked #6 in region the week before) less damning than a 10 point loss to a team the rest of the season suggests wouldn't win a rematch and is by the criteria not an in-region loss?

As soon as the two-loss door was opened there are a couple of teams I would have chosen before IC (Randolph-Macon for one had a win over ranked Hampden-Sydney and a .528 SoS).

I had said after CWRU's game on Saturday, "I will be disappointed, but not upset, if CWRU isn't selected."  But then added unless Illinois College is.

And I have to ask: "How can regional rankings apparently change so much from the penultimate to the double-secret final?"  Two teams selected, IC and SJF, had been ranked #9 previous week.  Montclair's loss could explain SJF moving up, but they also leap-frogged Endicott (not that I wouldn't have selected SJF over Endicott).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 13, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Disappointing to be sure, but with our starting QB, both of our main RBs, great defensive/special team players like Calabrese, and Coach Deb returning, I suspect we'll be in the running for the playoffs next year.

Good season, nonetheless.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 13, 2011, 11:34:36 PM
Article covering the reaction...:

http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/11/13/sports/nh4739641.txt?viewmode=default
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 23, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
All-UAA team

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/11_FB_All-Assoc.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 28, 2011, 08:39:19 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 23, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
All-UAA team

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/11_FB_All-Assoc.pdf

Congrats to all!

One interesting thing that caught my eye...how did Dan Calabrese get "Player of the Year - Special Teams" and yet was only on "All-Association Second Team - Special Teams"?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 28, 2011, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on November 28, 2011, 08:39:19 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 23, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
All-UAA team

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Football/11_FB_All-Assoc.pdf

Congrats to all!

One interesting thing that caught my eye...how did Dan Calabrese get "Player of the Year - Special Teams" and yet was only on "All-Association Second Team - Special Teams"?

Nice catch.  I missed that seeming inconguity.  But he was second team KR/PR the Spartan site noted:

"Calabrese earned his award for the all-around impact he made with the Special Teams unit in 2011. He made 33 punt returns for 367 yards (11.1 ypr) with a touchdown and eight kickoff returns for 195 yards (24.4 ypr). Calabrese took over for an injured Zachary Scott (Imperial, Pa./West Allegheny) at the holder position early in the year as senior kicker Daniel Vasil (Erie, Pa./McDowell) hit 11-of-14 field goal attempts and 18-of-19 extra point tries during the final six games of the season.  Calabrese also threw a 23-yard touchdown pass on a fake field goal versus Hiram College in mid-October."

Check your PMs
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 06, 2011, 08:46:30 PM
UAA All-Region selections:

CMU  Sam Thompson JR CB  2nd team
        Nathan Cheek SO OG 3rd team

CWRU  Dale English SR DT 2nd team
          Dan Calabrese JR S 3rd team

UChi   Danny Polanczeky SR LB 2nd team
         Dee Brizzolara JR Ret 3rd team

Sorry WUStL

Pat you need to edit Meador's entry (how many interceptions?)

and Eri Westerberg needs a "k"
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 07, 2011, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 06, 2011, 08:46:30 PM
UAA All-Region selections:

CMU  Sam Thompson JR CB  2nd team
        Nathan Cheek SO OG 3rd team

CWRU  Dale English SR DT 2nd team
          Dan Calabrese JR S 3rd team

UChi   Danny Polanczeky SR LB 2nd team
         Dee Brizzolara JR Ret 3rd team


Should be some bright young talent returning next year around the conference.

Can't say enough about the job that Debeljak has done turning CWRU into an every-year power.  While they haven't played the TOUGHEST schedule around, they've beaten plenty of "decent" teams along the way, and going 47-3 in the regular season over the last five years is pretty incredible.  I thought they'd fall way off after Whalen graduated, and the staff deserves a lot of credit for following the magical playoff seasons with 8-2 and 9-1. 

Next year, the CMU offense will return virtually intact (two-year starter at QB, two leading rushers at HB plus a decent backup FB that should step in as the starter, four OL's that started the majority of this season).  The defense loses a couple of key guys (DL Medenbach, LB Behmke, DB's Johnson and Miller) but brings back enough talent in the front seven that they should improve next year.  It's possible that CMU could pull out of the 5-5 doldrums of the last couple years.  I'd love to see at least a seven-win season; that would represent some progress.

Also, congrats to CMU senior DL Andrew Medenbach and the aforementioned junior DB Sam Thompson on selections as Capital One Academic All-Americans.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Big news!

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb12-13-11.aspx

UAA schools to affiliate with other conferences (WashU and Chicago with the SAA, CMU and CWRU with the PAC) starting in 2015.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
That should provide some variety and interesting games I would think.  It might even help those teams for the post-season competition.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bashbrother on December 13, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
Good news for the schools of the UAA....  I think it makes good sense and will establish a bright and exciting future for the quality athletic programs at each of the schools.  The 2015 confuses me a bit.


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on December 13, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
Good news for the schools of the UAA....  I think it makes good sense and will establish a bright and exciting future for the quality athletic programs at each of the schools.  The 2015 confuses me a bit.

I'm not "sure" of this, but I suspect it may have to do with one (or more) of the following:

1) The SAA is just forming and will not have qualify for an automatic bid until 2014-15.  Perhaps this is one of the reasons that the SAA half of the arrangment will not start until then?

2) Playing out existing scheduling arrangements - perhaps some of the UAA/SAA/PAC schools already have full schedules through 2013-14, and cannot begin affiliate play until that season?

3) Related to #2 above, the UAA schools intend to continue playing one another in de facto "nonconference" games.  Perhaps there's no way to fulfill all existing scheduled games, continue playing one another, AND begin a full schedule with their "affiliate" conferences for a few more years?

*Just saw a little more detail on the d3 homepage.  CMU and CWRU will begin affiliate play with the PAC in 2014, while WashU and Chicago will begin with the SAA in 2015.  I
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 01:17:08 PM
More thoughts...

The PAC currently has nine football-playing members (CMU and CWRU will be #10 and #11).  Since the UAA schools intend to continue playing a full round-robin with one another, that means that there will be only eight "open" dates on CMU/CWRU schedule for PAC games (since they'll have two games filled with WashU/Chicago).  Looks like the PAC will not be able to go full round-robin in conference play.  Interesting!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
More details in our story:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/12/uaa-teams-split-into-conferences
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SUADC on December 13, 2011, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 01:17:08 PM
More thoughts...

The PAC currently has nine football-playing members (CMU and CWRU will be #10 and #11).  Since the UAA schools intend to continue playing a full round-robin with one another, that means that there will be only eight "open" dates on CMU/CWRU schedule for PAC games (since they'll have two games filled with WashU/Chicago).  Looks like the PAC will not be able to go full round-robin in conference play.  Interesting!

Do you think they'll try and add another and have a conference title game? That would be awesome.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
Thanks for the link Pat and also ex-TartanPlayer for the additional info.  That explains it much better as I was slightly confused.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 13, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
More details in our story:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/12/uaa-teams-split-into-conferences

Pat,

You missed that the Spartans are returning to the PAC as well.  Both Case and WRU were charter members of the PAC and continued after the federation until joining the NCAC in 1984.  Their best year was the last year 1983 7-1 losing only to CMU.

Question, how will the NCAA determine the regional character of the games?  Will they consider them all in-region?  Or will the UAA games not w/in 200 miles not be in-region?

This spells the end of the Fight for the Fish.

Wonder how the 2013 schedule will be filled for CWRU and CMU?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 07:38:14 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 13, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
Question, how will the NCAA determine the regional character of the games?  Will they consider them all in-region?  Or will the UAA games not w/in 200 miles not be in-region?

Good question!  I assume the following:

CMU vs. CWRU: in-region (conference game, PAC)
WashU vs. Chicago: in-region (conference game, SAA)
CWRU vs. Chicago is a regional game (both North region teams)
CMU vs. WashU is a regional (both South region teams)

Leaving us...

CMU (South) vs. Chicago (North) will be a non-regional game because they're not within 200 miles and they're no longer conference opponents.  Same for CWRU (North) vs. WashU (South).

The reason that I'm assuming that these won't count as regional games?  Rochester no longer counts as a regional game for the UAA teams, despite being an LL affiliate in football while remaining in the UAA for all other sports.

I assume that the UAA (as a football league) will essentially cease to exist.  Obviously, the schools have stated that they want to continue playing one another (so I suppose a de facto UAA football championship could be awarded, all-conference teams could be named, et cet) but I'm not sure how long that will hold up; I've already noted that the addition of CMU/CWRU brings the PAC to 11 teams, and I'm not sure how crazy the other PAC schools will be about agreeing to play an eight-game league schedule (meaning that they don't play two in-conference opponents per year) just to accommodate CMU/CWRU's wishes to play WashU and Chicago.  They might well agree (it's not any different than the Big Ten, pre-Nebraska, only playing eight conference games), but I think that the UAA is essentially dead as a football league come 2014.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 13, 2011, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 13, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
Wonder how the 2013 schedule will be filled for CWRU and CMU?

Another good question.  They might be able to cobble things together with a number of games vs. PAC schools a year early; presumably some of the PAC schools will have the same scheduling bind because they, too, will have to make room for CMU/CWRU starting in 2014.  They also might be able to grab an NCAC school in Week 1 (although the NCAC is going to full round-robin next year), and perhaps a few of the orphans from the SCAC if need be, for a one-year arrangement.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 13, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
Just got back from running an errand.  And while doing that I realized that the UAA will most likely no longer be considered as sponsoring football after 2013 as XTP points out.

Would CWRU and Chicago become South Region ala Depauw when it was in the SCAC?  Maybe by then this whole in region nonsense will be abolished rather than just being ignored, as seems to be the case.

Seems silly that Chicago and WUStL can't get scheduled into the new SAA before 2015, even though not eligible for Pool A.

Ironically the PAC began as a four team conference in 1955.

Also just ventured over to the PAC board.  This season there's been little conversation.  The one reply regarding the afilliation was not welcoming.

Let's hope the PAC doesn't consult with the NCAC on making a non-round-robin schedule, unless it's to see what not to do.

I wonder if the three UAA games will be on consecutive weeks, preferably the last three weeks with the in-conference meetings in week eleven.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 14, 2011, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 13, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
I wonder if the three UAA games will be on consecutive weeks, preferably the last three weeks with the in-conference meetings in week eleven.

Not sure that this will happen.

I expect that CMU/CWRU might become a Week 11 rivalry game, since that will be a PAC game and it's already got a rivalry-game name (Academic Bowl).

I suspect that the "non-conference" UAA games will occur in Weeks 1-2, however, to accommodate the PAC and SAA schedules.  Otherwise, the UAA schools might have to take a Week 1 bye and play ten straight weeks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 14, 2011, 10:28:59 AM
Actually, according to THIS link:

http://cwru-daily.com/news/?p=4500 (http://cwru-daily.com/news/?p=4500)

CWRU will, beginning in 2014 compete in the President's Athletic Conference for football, together with Carnegie-Mellon BUT will continue to play Chicago and Wash-U, St. Louis in UAA football.  The CMU game will count towards the conference standings in BOTH conferences.

This gives CWRU the best of both worlds: membership in an "automatic qualifying" conference for football AND a continuation of its UAA football tradition.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 14, 2011, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on December 14, 2011, 10:28:59 AM
Actually, according to THIS link:

http://cwru-daily.com/news/?p=4500 (http://cwru-daily.com/news/?p=4500)

CWRU will, beginning in 2014 compete in the President's Athletic Conference for football, together with Carnegie-Mellon BUT will continue to play Chicago and Rochester in UAA football.  The CMU game will count towards the conference standings in BOTH conferences.

This gives CWRU the best of both worlds: membership in an "automatic qualifying" conference for football AND a continuation of its UAA football tradition.

Long time no see, Jagran.  Are you in the Middle East at the moment?

Thanks for the link.  I was wondering if they'd still award a UAA championship (as long as the schools continue to play a round-robin).  Frankly, I'm a little pessimistic that arrangement will prove sustainable in the long run, although I'd like to see it continue.  It would be nice to have the four UAA schools playing one another & awarding a de facto UAA title.

I know that Rochester had an awkward arrangement towards the end of their time in the UAA when they were listed both in UAA standings and in the Upsate College Athletic Association standings (now the Liberty League).  I think that 2003 was the last year they were both UAA and UCAA members; eventually the Liberty League expanded enough to get an AQ and Rochy completely withdrem from the UAA.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 14, 2011, 10:51:12 AM
I've been in Afghanistan for the last eight and a half months.

The way that I read that article suggests that the UAA will continue to sponsor football and award a football championship, BUT that CMU and CWRU will also compete for the PAC title and an automatic bid.

Ya know what's ironic?

One of my other alma maters, the University of Houston, just joined a "BCS automatic qualifier" conference, the Big East, for football, and now my undergrad alma mater, CWRU, has just joined an "automatic qualifier" conference, the PAC, in Division III football.

For JagranSpartan's alma maters, conference shake-ups are becoming an almost weekly occurrence.

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
Jagran

You mistyped Rochester when you meant Washington.

I wonder if the NCAA will continue to recognize the UAA as a conference and hence those games "in-region."  Or will CWRU and Chicago become South Region as a result of the new conference affiliations.

Would be nice to affiliate with the PAC for baseball, too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 14, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Oops!!!

Good catch!!!

Thanks!

Corrected!

Ya know what's funny?  We CWRU fans are going to have DOUBLE posting responsibilities.  We'll have to post on both the UAA and the PAC football boards.  The fans of the other 3 UAA football schools will also have a similar increase in posting responsibilities.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 15, 2011, 04:53:40 AM
Ya know.  I just thought of something.

The series with Oberlin is presumably coming to an indefinite end in 2014.

With that in mind, Oberlin has only two more chances to end its 25+ year losing streak against us.

Let's hope that we retire that series with a winning streak in our favor!

The bad part about this, is that we'll no longer have the "Baird Brothers" game against Wooster, for the most unique trophy in all of college sports.

If we win the last matchup in 2013, then does the trophy merit a permanent spot in our "Hall of Fame" room?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
I wonder if the NCAA will continue to recognize the UAA as a conference and hence those games "in-region."  Or will CWRU and Chicago become South Region as a result of the new conference affiliations.

Interesting question, since the it sounds like the UAA is planning to continue as a de facto "secondary" conference. 

The only games that are affected, if I remember correctly, are CMU vs. Chicago and CWRU vs. WashU.

Nonetheless, ADL, in light of this year's playoff debate re: CWRU, I doubt that it will matter much as far as playoff berths go.  Consider it this way: in some hypothetical future season, if CWRU loses to WashU ("out-of-region") but goes 9-0 otherwise, they'll still win the PAC autobid.  If they lose to WashU and lose a PAC game, they'll be 8-2 and probably won't even be considered for a Pool C bid (no way an 8-2 PAC runner-up gets into the playoffs).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on December 15, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Consider it this way: in some hypothetical future season, if CWRU loses to WashU ("out-of-region") but goes 9-0 otherwise, they'll still win the PAC autobid.

There's no guarantee of that since the PAC won't be able to play a full round-robin.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.

Thats what happens when one team has dominated the past three seasons.  It happened that way when it was W&J in the early 2000s.  This will be good for TMC, if they are sticking around.  Who knows what is going on.  TMC did add St. John Fischer to their non-conference schedule as the season opener for 2012, though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.

Thats what happens when one team has dominated the past three seasons.  It happened that way when it was W&J in the early 2000s.  This will be good for TMC, if they are sticking around.  Who knows what is going on.  TMC did add St. John Fischer to their non-conference schedule as the season opener for 2012, though.

Yeah, there used to be a bunch of W&J posters.  Notice that (except for Bob) they all disappeared in a 6-4 season for the Presidents.  Fair-weather fans...a couple of losses to TMC and they took their ball and went home.

Are you hinting that a TMC move is in the offing?  What does the St. John Fisher game have to do with anything?  It's just a nonconference game, right?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.

Thats what happens when one team has dominated the past three seasons.  It happened that way when it was W&J in the early 2000s.  This will be good for TMC, if they are sticking around.  Who knows what is going on.  TMC did add St. John Fischer to their non-conference schedule as the season opener for 2012, though.

Yeah, there used to be a bunch of W&J posters.  Notice that (except for Bob) they all disappeared in a 6-4 season for the Presidents.  Fair-weather fans...a couple of losses to TMC and they took their ball and went home.

Are you hinting that a TMC move is in the offing?  What does the St. John Fisher game have to do with anything?  It's just a nonconference game, right?

Incomplete thoughts --- They are trying to strengthen the schedule.  I know they've tried before, but I think the HCAC is a great fit for TMC. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 15, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
I would assume someone is leaving the PAC and TMC is the obvious candidate. I don't think the PAC at 11 teams makes sense, and 12 team plus conferences are just pointless at the D3 level. You lose money by having a conf champion, you have a good shot at costing your undefeated or one loss team a high seed or a spot at all in the playoffs, and you're over 50% above the threshold for a single bid without getting a second one. You also still need to find the same number of OOC games as an 8 or 10 team conference, depending on how many divisional crossovers you allow. Completely pointless from any perspective.

Similarly an 11 team conference is almost as bad. Unbalanced schedule, the possibility of a split championship... just messy business. The only reason I see the PAC accepting (re-accepting?) the two UAA schools is if they believe a member is leaving or can be convinced to move. TMC, geographically, is the obvious candidate. While I think 8 team conferences make the most sense, slightly over the limit and easy to schedule, I can see a 10 team conference being attractive for only having to find 1 OOC per year. 11 or 12 teams? Very strange.

I'd be interested if anyone could come up with analysis that makes sense for an 11 or 12 team conference? The only two I've been able to come up with is if you combine two conferences that are too small for an autobid but are unable/unwilling to poach or strand members, or if one of your non-football full-conference members decides to add football. Clearly this was not the PAC's issue...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on December 15, 2011, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on December 15, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Consider it this way: in some hypothetical future season, if CWRU loses to WashU ("out-of-region") but goes 9-0 otherwise, they'll still win the PAC autobid.

There's no guarantee of that since the PAC won't be able to play a full round-robin.

I don't think this should be a huge concern.  The NCAC hasn't played a round robin in forever and we get it figured out without controversy.  I think with competent scheduling, the league can set it up so that the league championship is determined on the field by the best teams.  In 2005, Kenyon (without Wabash and Witt on their league schedule) went 6-1 in league play and nearly upset the apple cart but that's really the only time when the unbalanced schedule almost created an uncomfortable situation. 

I'm happy to see that the four UAA schools were able to find partners that gives them both a full and predictable 10-game schedule as well as Pool A access.  Best of luck to you all in the next chapter of your programs. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on December 15, 2011, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.

Thats what happens when one team has dominated the past three seasons.

There's still plenty of activity on the OAC boards.  Granted, it's 99.999999% Mount Union fans, though. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.

I'm not sure they are talking about leaving the PAC..but this would be a good time to be, if they wanted to.  TMC has won most of the sports during the last two years in the PAC.. and the school is growing.  I seriously doubt the HCAC would let them in now, but it would be great if they did.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:35:02 PM
Incomplete thoughts --- They are trying to strengthen the schedule.  I know they've tried before, but I think the HCAC is a great fit for TMC.

OK, I see, two separate trains of thought there.

The SJF game is a good nonconference matchup (and the kind of thing that would be nice to see more of in Division III).

I know that the HCAC is a better fit for TMC, but I didn't think that was a realistic possibility.  Then again, I never had an inkling that CMU was going to re-affiliate with the PAC, so I guess you never know.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 15, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.

I have no answer to this. My point was from the other side, an 11 team conference is... odd. And I don't see the point of a 12 team conference in D3. That leads me to believe the PAC thinks someone is going to leave, otherwise why bother accepting 2 schools that you don't need?

Its not that I have any idea where TMC would go, I just think that if you look at the PAC and ask yourself, "which one of these things does not fit?" TMC is the answer from a geographic viewpoint and, if you look at how TMC has done, from an athletic standpoint as well (although I always go on record as saying punishing success by removing it is the wrong way to go!).

Anyway, I don't know. TMC might fit in the SAA? I'm not real familiar with TMC's academics but Cincinnati has to be closer to B-SC than B-SC is from Chicago! Or it could be another member the PAC is afraid of losing. The PAC is in a D3 rich environment, so most of those teams could be candidates for more than 1 conference. I don't have any thoughts or information that anyone else doesn't have, so my ponderings were just a WAG based on the fact that an 11 team conference is less than ideal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
You guys all make legit points and speculative considerations.  It is an interesting dilemma for those parties potentially involved.  Obviously, we'll just have to wait and see what transpires further, if anything.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on December 15, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
I have no answer to this. My point was from the other side, an 11 team conference is... odd. And I don't see the point of a 12 team conference in D3. That leads me to believe the PAC thinks someone is going to leave, otherwise why bother accepting 2 schools that you don't need?

I understand that we're all just whistling in the dark here, but one more thing that's worth pointing out: going back down to 10 teams doesn't totally solve the "PAC-UAA" schedule problem, because the UAA schools still want to play their UAA rivals (which takes up two nonconference games).  I assume that the PAC could mandate a full round-robin, leaving CMU and CWRU to give up their games with Chicago and WashU, but that's another sticky issue.

From the broader picture: I think that jknezek has a good GENERAL point that the dust hasn't completely settled yet.  The SCAC refugees are still out there, Wesley's still floating around, et cet.  Almost like the whole merry-go-round that STILL hasn't stopped spinning in Division I right now, something tells me that by 2015 the "PAC" may have gained/lost another team, and that the 11-team format will never come to fruition anyway.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 19, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
Washington University Promotes Jim Ryan to Defensive Coordinator. http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb1-19-12.aspx
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 04, 2012, 07:02:01 PM
The first two recruits announced as coming to CWRU are 6'1 195 dual-threat QB, Taylor Scott, from Tallahassee

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/fl/tallahassee/leon-high-school/taylor-scott1

and a 5'9 205 FB, Adam Hochman, from Austin TX

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/142942/adam-hochman#athletics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naCNKsY5bc

It was reported on the basketball broadcast that this was a big recruiting weekend with a number of football prospects visiting campus.

Hope they got to look at the Wyatt Athletic Center plans that are nearing completion. A space comparable in size to the Thwing Ballroom will be devoted to cardiovascular equipment, with a moderately smaller room dedicated to weight-lifting and similar training machines.



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 10, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Two more Southerners headed to Cleveland.

Logan Treece  6'1 230 [5'11.5 220]  Winter Park FL County All-Star C.

http://nationalunderclassmen.ning.com/profile/LoganTreece?xg_source=activity

Bryan Erb 6'2 200 Charlotte [NC] Country Day All-State WR/DB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfBjAmzYJU

There have been a couple of talented athletes named Erb at CWRU recently.  Esther Erb [track and xc] national champion 10,000M in 2008 and Eric Erb All-UAA soccer in 2011.  But neither is from NC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 13, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
There is speculation over on the NWC football board that Linfield may be playing @ CWRU in 2013, since they lost a game when George Fox moved back the start of football to 2014.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on March 14, 2012, 02:26:48 PM
ADL70,

Here is your confirmation.

Linfield Football Head Coach Joseph Smith was talking with the ADvantage 'Catdome (Linfield football fan blog) about the 2012 schedule and he broke the news that the 'Cats will be playing at CWRU in 2013.  I'm looking forward to the trip out.

http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/2012/03/talking-2012-with-linfields-top-cat.html (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/2012/03/talking-2012-with-linfields-top-cat.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on March 15, 2012, 01:53:38 AM
And that means HERE WE ARE!

Sure I know it's 18 months away but that's 18 months of exuberance we have to share.
Kudos to the AD and staff for bailing us out and giving us a game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 26, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
CWRU NEWS

Dan Whalen signs with Orlando Predators

AD Dave Diles is one of final three candidates for NMich AD

Adams, English, and Opperman selected to play in OFC/ONG Senior Bowl on 4/14

First Ohio commiment reported:

Ravenna's Christopher Sanders 6'1, 210 TE/DE/LB

http://profiles.berecruited.com/athletes/movies/571696

Another from NC, Clayton's Cody Powell   6'1, 260 OL

http://www.claytonnewsstar.com/2012/03/24/1956565/lifelong-gridder-headed-to-ohio.html

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/191759/cody-powell


Then there's this interesting thread with discussion from the parent of a prospective player:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1308477-how-much-do-parents-high-efc-weigh-merit-aid.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on March 27, 2012, 10:02:47 AM
Thanks for CWRU updates.  Interesting to see Whalen still bouncing around Arena ball.

Neat to hear that a Linfield-CWRU matchup is in the offing.

No news on CMU site (although that's generally the way it is - they don't post much recruiting news until later).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 11, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
WOW!!!

Spartans have 21 official recruits already  [see release on D3football front page]

10 different states represented.

4 from Florida including a RB, Julio Ayala, from Sicre's alma mater Belen Jesuit; good indication that Manny has been happy in Cleveland.

Other highlights:

All-Ohio SM G Seamus McDonald 6'2 280 from Medina

All-Dist T Matt Holmes 6'3 290 from Frisco TX

Brecksville LB Kyle Graham 6' 220
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 14, 2012, 09:51:08 AM
Not to be outdone, the front page now has Chicago's release with 23 recruits from 12 states.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 17, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Thanks for posting the updates, ADL.

Nothing on CMU website, but they've always been the last UAA school to post an updated roster or anything about recruiting.

Wonder how many CWRU will end up with.  They've brought in some big classes over the last 5-6 years, usually more than Chicago.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 19, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
A second All-State kicker commits to CWRU
Alex Ojeda Sarasota (FL) Cardinal  Mooney
http://www.htpreps.com/news/article/33659/recruiting-cougars-ojeda-heading-to-case-western/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GO9ChuxZ0

I had my eye on another Cardinal Mooney kicker, but one a whole lot closer to Cleveland!
Interestingly, the last Florida kicker at CWRU, Drew Zloch, a freshman in 2010, is now on the roster at Florida State.

There are now more Spartan commits from Florida than from any other state.  More, in fact, in this one class than I can remember ever being on the entire roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 03, 2012, 06:55:59 PM
CWRU's class is now 45

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120426c49sul

Most ever was 51
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 03, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 11, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
WOW!!!

Spartans have 21 official recruits already  [see release on D3football front page]

10 different states represented.

4 from Florida including a RB, Julio Ayala, from Sicre's alma mater Belen Jesuit; good indication that Manny has been happy in Cleveland.

Other highlights:

All-Ohio SM G Seamus McDonald 6'2 280 from Medina

All-Dist T Matt Holmes 6'3 290 from Frisco TX

Brecksville LB Kyle Graham 6' 220

ADL70,

Have not been on your board for awhile. Hope all is well! Looks good for recruiting for the Spartans! +k :) :) :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2012, 02:00:40 AM
I was just watching some of those highlight videos, and these recruits are IMPRESSIVE.

Here are three that I predict could have an immediate impact:

Justin Williams, DE (PA) - appeared to be a STUD on both sides of the ball.  Pancake blocks as an OT, and good against the run and pass on defense.

Adam Hochman, FB (TX) - may not look that impressive, but appears to be VERY hard to bring down, and hits the holes hard............also a good lead blocker.

Danny Admire, QB (FL) - star QB on a 6A HS football team in Florida; hit several TD passes on a wide variety of routes..............could be the heir apparent after this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 06, 2012, 12:37:26 PM
PK is a critical need and there are three in the class and two were all-state selections (Brown-MD and Ojeda-FL).

Seamus McDonald is an All-Ohio G who could be the replacement for Opperman, who was a four-year starter.

WR is another need and there are three 6'2 WRs, including Logan Matt from Cuyahoga Hts who was All-Ohio.

While Williams looks good, I also like Josh Rogers who reportedly runs a 4.6/40 and benches 360.


There were some pretty good QBs in last year's class and Admire is a tad smallish (5'11 175).  Olson potentially has another year of eligibility as he was redshirted at CalU.

Did you notice that Admire if from Sicre's alma mater as are two of his classmates; wonder if they'll put them at the top of the roster #s 1-4?

We'll see come August.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 23, 2012, 07:14:40 PM
CWRU future schedules thru 2017

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv

Linfield at Case Field 9/27/13
CWRU at Puget Sound 10/19/13
10th game pref at home needed week 5 or 6

They're not listed but I would imagine UChi and WUStL would be weeks 1 & 2 beginning 2014
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 24, 2012, 03:45:40 AM
Surprised that Chicago and Wash U.-St. Louis haven't been penciled in yet.

My understanding is that we were going to continue to be members of BOTH the PAC and the UAA in football, and continue to compete for BOTH championships.

That said, I like how Trinity U. - San Antonio is coming up.  I'm from TX originally, and one of my cousins is a Trinity alum.  Very nice school!

Also, I'm really excited about starting play in the PAC.  It'll be fun to compete for an automatic bid every year.  To me, this joint UAA/PAC arrangement gives us the best of all possible worlds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 24, 2012, 08:18:46 AM
I figure the SAA hasn't finalized schedules yet to know for sure what open dates they will have.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 24, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
CMU recruits are on the roster now.  Looks like a smallish recruiting class by our standards (33 incoming players by my quick count).  Not disastrously small, but I like to see 40-ish per class, knowing the typical attrition rate at CMU.

As we've discussed before, a big senior class is often a key predictor of success for those of us "middle-tier" Division III programs.  And the easiest way to HAVE a big senior class is to a) have a big freshman class three years in the past and b) keep those guys around.

I know that Whalen and Debeljak are two huge reasons for the rise of CWRU, but I really think they've stayed successful post-Whalen because they started bringing in big recruiting classes, as you guys keep discussing.  If I remember correctly, the year AFTER the first CWRU playoff season (2007), I remember seeing that they'd brought in something like 51 recruits and thinking "Uh oh, they're loading up, it's going to be tough for CMU to keep up with them now."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
The class of 51 was the year of the first playoff appearance (2007), but by the following season their numbers had dwindled to 27.  Until this new class the numbers since have been around thirty.  In contrast 21 of last year's 26 freshmen are on the 2012 preseason roster.

The big and talented football class of 2016 mirrors the largest (1350+) and most talented (highest SATs and most top 10%ers) CWRU freshman class.

The preseason roster has 61 returning players; notable is Brian Rice, who has had an injury riddled career returning for a medical year to lend experience at WR and Steven Roby and Michael Fioramonti who had early season-ending injuries.

New to the coaching staff is Michael Murphey, former Kenston HS OC who was a graduate assistant at (shock) John Carroll as OL coach and Dale English as student assistant for DL.

WUStL has listed a roster with thirty-three newcomers as well, so CWRU wins the recruiting numbers game.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 07, 2012, 02:43:53 AM
ADL70,

Based on the roster on our football page, we have over 100 players in the program this year.  That's got to be a first in program history.

I can remember back in the days of coaches like Pete Germano when we only had like 40 players in the entire program.

We've certainly come a long way!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 07, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
2004 roster had 54.

At this time in 2007 there were similar roster numbers, but by the first game attrition had dropped the roster to just under 100.

Lindy's has Dan Calabrese as 2nd team all-American.

AD Diles will not be leaving for Northern Michigan.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2012, 07:32:22 AM
Glad to hear that Diles is staying.

Our entire athletic program appears to have experienced a renaissance while on his watch.

I can remember back in my time (1990-1994), the notion that any team at Case would make the Division III playoffs was considered laughable.  In fact, if it weren't for a few individual national contenders in wrestling, track, and swimming, we would have been regarded as among the nation's most mediocre DIII sports programs.

MY GOD how things have changed for the better!  We're now a perennial playoff contender in several sports, including football.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 08, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on June 08, 2012, 07:32:22 AM
Glad to hear that Diles is staying.

Our entire athletic program appears to have experienced a renaissance while on his watch.

I can remember back in my time (1990-1994), the notion that any team at Case would make the Division III playoffs was considered laughable.  In fact, if it were for a few individual national contenders in wrestling, track, and swimming, we would have been regarded as among the nation's most mediocore DIII sports programs.

MY GOD how things have changed for the better!  We're now a perennial playoff contender in several sports, including football.
Quote from: ADL70 on June 07, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
2004 roster had 54.

At this time in 2007 there were similar roster numbers, but by the first game attrition had dropped the roster to just under 100.

Lindy's has Dan Calabrese as 2nd team all-American.

AD Diles will not be leaving for Northern Michigan.

I forgot that Diles was your AD.  I remember when he was at Central Michigan, U of Michigan and then Eastern Michigan (and Auburn before that).  Indeed, he has done a great job at CWRU. 

I should know these next two questions, however, for some reason, my mind is "blank" on this right now (it must be one of those "senior moments"  :o :o ::) ;D seriously).  Nonetheless, please remind me of... a) how was it that he came to CWRU - why there after leaving Eastern after being at all those DI level schools and being a Michigan native? (not that there is anything wrong in being from Michigan and then going to Ohio  ;D :D ;)) and b) wasn't his father a noted/famous college football person/announcer?  I can't remember.  Thanks for refreshing/jogging my memory.

It is good to hear about the enthusiasm and continued improvement in Case's football program and the numbers.  Also, this has been discussed here before, however, I like the new stadium complex - it has a neat feeling - I like the enclosed type of look.  Butler University has done that similar type of design when they recently renovated the old Butler Bowl.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 08, 2012, 07:39:13 PM
Not sure how Dave Diles, the son, ended up at CWRU.  You are correct, his dad Dave L. Diles was a national broadcster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 13, 2012, 10:46:36 AM
Case appears to have made a GREAT hire in wrestling:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/wrest/2012-13/releases/20120611uxstfv (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/wrest/2012-13/releases/20120611uxstfv)

Of course, it's sad that we've experienced the recent passing of Bob DelRosa, a man who had made his entire coaching career at CWRU, and had largely become an institution.

But I have a feeling that this new coach will do great things as well.  Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 15, 2012, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from Hawald on the Ohio Wrestling site:

This first year, I am just going to go kind of nuts recruiting and get 20 new recruits so we have the depth.  After that, it’s baby steps toward greater success, but we have to think big as well.  With these new Regionals, there is no reason that we can’t get somebody to nationals in my first year.  The second year, I expect to be more competitive. I was able to do it at Mount Union, where we went from a last in our conference in my first year to second in the conference the following year.  I don’t want to settle for a slower building of the program, I expect to do it more quickly this time.  If we don’t have the firepower to get it done now, I want to recruit guys who can be All-Americans next year.

If I were to quantify it, I expect to have a National Qualifier the first year, an All-American the second year, and then in the third year a highly competitive team with multiple All-Americans and a team that can finish in the top ten. The fourth year, who knows where we can be by then?



Back on topic, I have read of three incoming Spartans who played in all-star games over the summer.

LB Kyle Graham started at LB for the West in the Greater Cleveland game and recovered a fumble and forced a safety.

DE Dayton Snyder was a late addition to the Indiana North-South game and recorded four tackles.

Michael O'Donnell played in the Penn-Ohio Classic (not the Big 33 game), but I haven't seen any stats for him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 23, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
CWRU and CMU will participate in this year's PAC football media day on August 2.

http://www.pacathletics.org/Media%20Day%207-11-2012.pdf

Interesting addition to WUStL's roster, Sam Van Doren, Soph QB transfer from Trinity (CT).  His bio says he lead the State of Missouri in passing yards and TDs his senior year.  Didn't see any action for the Bantams.

CWRU also has an interesting addition, senior K BenYabrow, two time all UAA goalkeeper for Spartan soccer.  He has used his soccer eligibility, but is returning from his summer job, playing for AFC Ceveland of the NPSL.

If you include the two QB/Ps there will be six players competing to get their kicks for the Spartans.

Recruit Scott Suren was chosen Brunswick HS athlete of the year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 24, 2012, 03:52:56 AM
Will there be an internet broadcast or podcast of this media day?

Also, will the UAA hold its own football media day?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 24, 2012, 11:48:14 PM
Spartan Football Preview

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120719ve5crb

Only news is Magister lost to injury.  Could mean we will see both Sicre and Riordan in the same backfield at times.  FB thus is the position freshmen might make the most impact.

With the linebacker abundance, will we see more 3 man fronts this year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 28, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
I just signed up for yet another year of "Kickoff."

It'll be interesting to see where they rank us this season.  With Olson, Sicre, and other key offensive players, together with a stout defense returning from a 9-1 team, I think that we could be a "sleeper" to make the post-season.

I think that a lot is going to ride on the Wittenberg game.  That should tell us if we're "playoff" material.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on July 29, 2012, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 23, 2012, 10:54:39 PM

CWRU also has an interesting addition, senior K BenYabrow, two time all UAA goalkeeper for Spartan soccer.  He has used his soccer eligibility, but is returning from his summer job, playing for AFC Ceveland of the NPSL.


Very interesting.  Why did this not make the preview? 

I presume the guy can completely boot the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 30, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
Maj, surpised to see the Spartans got one more vote than Witt in the pre-season poll.  As has been pointed out on the NCAC board, the Spartans will get Witt at a propitious time: CWRU homecoming and the next week after Witt plays Wooster and the week before Wabash.

115, this was in the preview:

In the kicking game, Debeljak sees a trio of freshmen competing for the job along with senior Ben Yabrow (Marietta, Ga./George Walton Comprehensive), who was a two-time All-UAA goalkeeper for the Spartan men's soccer team.

We know he can kick a round ball, but can he kick one that bounces funny?  Queery; all things being equal, do you make Yabrow or a freshman the #1?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 31, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 30, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
Maj, surpised to see the Spartans got one more vote than Witt in the pre-season poll.  As has been pointed out on the NCAC board, the Spartans will get Witt at a propitious time: CWRU homecoming and the next week after Witt plays Wooster and the week before Wabash.

115, this was in the preview:

In the kicking game, Debeljak sees a trio of freshmen competing for the job along with senior Ben Yabrow (Marietta, Ga./George Walton Comprehensive), who was a two-time All-UAA goalkeeper for the Spartan men's soccer team.

We know he can kick a round ball, but can he kick one that bounces funny?  Queery; all things being equal, do you make Yabrow or a freshman the #1?
Go with the senior but get your freshmen some experience when you can.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 31, 2012, 05:11:57 PM
Interesting question because there may be some team dynamics at work there.  Depends how the senior soccer player fits in with the football team, his reasons for coming out, etc.  For example, if he's really popular with the football players and that's the whole reason he came out for the team this year...if he is really equal to or better than the incoming freshmen, I'd be inclined to give him the job.  Also, if they hope to keep an open pipeline from the soccer team, presumably you'd want that kid to do the kicking this year.

One other option is a KO specialist and a FG specialist, if one of the kids is more of a boomer and one is more accurate.  Perhaps the soccer player will make the best kickoff guy, but one of the designated football kickers will be more accurate on PATs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 01, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
XTP

I had thought of the option you suggest.  Punting and KO are more similar to the kicks a goalkeeper makes than kicking thru uprights with a holder.  I wonder about his toughness for kick coverage though.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that he participated in workouts in the spring.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2012, 10:24:10 AM
ADL,

With all due respect - I've never seen a coach pick his kickoff specialist based on whether the guy could tackle or not.  If one guy is the superior kicker for the job, he'll get the job even if one of the other guys is a better tackler.  There are 10 other guys out there who are supposed to make the tackle!

I agree with your other sentence, though.

Does this show how bored we are?  Debating the merits of a KO specialist from the soccer team (who, for all we know, won't even be on the team when the season starts)...yeesh, we need camp to start already!

I'll be away from the interwebs during most of camp (an 11-day trip that's partly school-related, part vacation) but will be back and posting regularly when the season kicks off.  With this being....gulp...the FIFTH seasons since I graduated, I expect to attend more games this year.  I'm finally far enough removed from the game that I can truly go as a "fan" and not be wistful that I'm not playing. 

I'm running a couple of marathons this fall, but when I don't have a race, I'll probably be at the CMU game if they're at home, and perhaps I'll even journey to CWRU for a game this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 03, 2012, 07:55:00 PM

With equal respect, I never meant to suggest that as a deciding factor.

Yes the antici....pation is killing.  Not much else of interest except to get acquainted with some returning player's new jersy numbers just posted.

Practice should start next week and last year CWRU's site had a couple of reports from preseason practice.

The preseaon scrimmage at BW on 8/24 just got switched to a 10am start from the 1pm previously posted.  That's much more weather-friendly for the players, but means a pre-dawn start for me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 11, 2012, 09:50:04 AM
Spartan newcomers report today; returnees, tomorrow.

Media guide:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/2012081068l263
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 12, 2012, 06:59:05 PM
ADL70,

Ya know, the only thing that disappointed me, is that there are absolutely no write-ups on our incoming freshmen.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the odds are that that new HUGE Offensive Lineman from Frisco, TX (6-3, 295 lbs.) comes in immediately and starts?

He would definitely add some beef to the front five!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 12, 2012, 08:16:59 PM
Well there's really nothing that could be added to the profile of each in the recruiting announcements.  None had been on campus when the media guide was released.  At this point we can't say for sure which will show up and which will stick around.

As far as the OL goes, there are 5 very experienced linemen returning.  Abbot and Dolan were full time starters and the others got at least one start last year.  LG is the only real question mark for me, 6'2 240.  I liked what I saw from the highlight reels for Holmes, 6'3 295, and McDonald, 6'2 285 (Big Mac?).   

I'm planning on going to the scrimmage on the 24th @ BW I'll PM you what I see then.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2012, 05:48:47 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on August 12, 2012, 06:59:05 PM
ADL70,

Ya know, the only thing that disappointed me, is that there are absolutely no write-ups on our incoming freshmen.

That's pretty standard for D-III media guides. The time spent writing up bios for 40-120 freshmen could be spent doing any of a hundred other things for football or the other 20 sports.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 16, 2012, 08:22:44 PM
Soccer's Yabrow appears to have bowed out of the kicker competition; leaving it to the three freshmen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 18, 2012, 07:54:19 AM
Only four more days until "Kickoff."  I can't wait to read CWRU's write-up.

ADL70, out of curiosity, what do you think Erik Olson's prospects for this season are?  Have you had a chance to see the team practice?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 18, 2012, 08:58:31 AM
FWIW, Debs comments in the Media Guide were very positive.  This time last year there was a video report on pre-season practice on CWRU's site.  Hope there's something there early next week.

I live in Columbus, so haven't seen any practice.  I'm planning on getting up for Friday's scrimmage at BW.  Hope the freshmen's uni #s get posted by Thurs.

Murky picture in the UAA coaches' poll.  Two firsts for the Spartans and one each for UChi and WUStL.  In the total votes CWRU and WUStL tie, as do CMU and UChi.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 22, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
ADL70,

I enjoyed our write-up in "Kickoff."  That said, I'm surprised that we are ranked as low as we are; even lower than John Carroll, a team that we've beaten each of the past two seasons.

I figure that if we are picked to finish 10-0 (which we are), then we should at least be in the Top 50.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on August 25, 2012, 02:15:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltI_uT7dqwU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltI_uT7dqwU&feature=player_embedded)

Link to Coach K Preseason interview....  Kick off next Fri against Whitewater  GO Bears!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on August 25, 2012, 02:46:21 PM
Combined Regular Season Records of All UAA opponents...( not counting opponents playoff wins)

Carnegie  56-43 
Chicago   53-47 
Wash U   57-41 
Case       43-57 


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbearsports.wustl.edu%2FSiteCollectionImages%2FGeneral%2FWASHUHero.jpg&hash=b9cf4271ed305b0cd97e12f19bcd9f948a71b456)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 26, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Any recap of the Case vs BW scrimmage?  Good, bad, ugly??
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 03:05:35 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: E.115 on August 26, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Any recap of the Case vs BW scrimmage?  Good, bad, ugly??

check your PM
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on August 28, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Anybody know why the Wash U - Whitewater kickoff is so late?  (8:30)  Is something special going on at the campus prior to the game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 28, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
I don't know that it's the reason but there is a men's soccer match between the two schools scheduled prior to the football game. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
I understand that is indeed the reason.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 28, 2012, 07:58:33 PM
Thanks ADL70.

Case Western vs Marietta preview:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/201208288q59zm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 29, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Well...I'll take a crack at writing a mini-conference-preview.

Carnegie Mellon

I'm very optimistic about this year's Tartans.  On paper the offense looks better than any unit since 2007: CMU has a QB entering his third year as the starter, an experienced and productive backfield returning essentially intact (Blanks is a special player), and a deep offensive line (all five guys up front with a good deal of starting experience.  The defense also returns a number of key players, including a few very experienced ones in DL Hartman, OLB Karabin and DB's Thompson and Butler.  The first four games are all against decent competition, but all are winnable, so a fast start will be key. 

Best-case: Fast start gets CMU to 4-0 entering the Wabash game, play Wabash tough on the road, bounce back to beat Denison and OWU and enter UAA play at 6-1.

Projection: 5-2 entering UAA play

Case Western

CWRU has been the overall top dog for the last several years (even with the 2010 hiccups) and again is the likely favorite.  With a returning starter at QB, a pair of accomplished RB's, and experience all over the defense, they should be strong again.  The first four games are winnable before a pair of NCAC toughies (Wittenberg and Wooster).  However, CWRU has generally handled Wooster pretty well the last few seasons, and this year the game is at home.  Wittenberg has been curiously bad on the road the last few seasons, so I'd call that a winnable game as well.

Best-case: 7-0 entering UAA play

Projection: 6-1 (hiccup against Wittenberg or MAYBE Wooster).

Chicago

The Maroons also look formidable on paper if one QB steps forward.  Brizzolara is probably the league's most dangerous offensive player and the OL has quite a bit of experience.  The defense looks a little thinner, but they've got some experience in the front seven.  The schedule looks similar to what's described above - four competitive-but-winnable games to start off, a few tests (Allegheny and Wittenberg) and then another winnable NCAC foe (Oberlin) before the league schedule.  Chicago was 5-2 entering UAA play last year and that looks doable again.

Best-case: 5-2 entering UAA play (losses to Witt and one of Allegheny/Concordia/Elmhurst)

Projection: 4-3 (Just have a hunch that it'll be tough to win all three of those toss-ups)

Wash U

Wash U has the fewest returning starters of anyone in the UAA, but they do bring back their leading passer and rusher, plus the team leaders in sacks and interceptions.  So the quality is still there.  Is the depth?  I wouldn't count the Bears out.

Opening with UWW is a guaranteed loss, but also can serve as a nice marker of where the team stands.  Fortune has often smiled on teams that scheduled one of the Purple Powers to open the season in recent years.  The next several games certainly look winnable on paper, and while hosting Wabash is a tough game the Bears have certainly held their own against the LG's the last two seasons (upset in 2010, competitive in 24-3 loss in 2011 ).

Best-case: 6-1 entering UAA play

Projection: 5-2 (losses to UWW and Wabash)

I know that I've projected winning records all around, but the UAA has accomplished that each of the last two seasons (everyone has gone 4-3 or better in nonconference play).  Once the UAA schedule starts, all bets are off.  I'll probably revisit this analysis around Week 5-6 to choose my projected order of finish in conference play.

Personal Note:

Five years removed from my last game, with a new sport (marathon running) and a "career path" taking shape (cardiovascular research), I feel far enough removed from the game to attend/watch some Division III football without really "missing" the game, so I'll be attending as many CMU home games as I can this year, perhaps journeying to a CWRU game if there's a particularly attractive one that I can make it to.  Any UAA fans that are coming to Pittsburgh, let me know & I'll see if we can meet up before/during the game.  And if you're a CWRU fan that's willing to host a guest for a night or two that weekend, let me know, perhaps we can arrange something.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 29, 2012, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 29, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Well...I'll take a crack at writing a mini-conference-preview.

Carnegie Mellon

I'm very optimistic about this year's Tartans.  On paper the offense looks better than any unit since 2007: CMU has a QB entering his third year as the starter, an experienced and productive backfield returning essentially intact (Blanks is a special player), and a deep offensive line (all five guys up front with a good deal of starting experience.  The defense also returns a number of key players, including a few very experienced ones in DL Hartman, OLB Karabin and DB's Thompson and Butler.  The first four games are all against decent competition, but all are winnable, so a fast start will be key. 

Best-case: Fast start gets CMU to 4-0 entering the Wabash game, play Wabash tough on the road, bounce back to beat Denison and OWU and enter UAA play at 6-1.

Projection: 5-2 entering UAA play

Case Western

CWRU has been the overall top dog for the last several years (even with the 2010 hiccups) and again is the likely favorite.  With a returning starter at QB, a pair of accomplished RB's, and experience all over the defense, they should be strong again.  The first four games are winnable before a pair of NCAC toughies (Wittenberg and Wooster).  However, CWRU has generally handled Wooster pretty well the last few seasons, and this year the game is at home.  Wittenberg has been curiously bad on the road the last few seasons, so I'd call that a winnable game as well.

Best-case: 7-0 entering UAA play

Projection: 6-1 (hiccup against Wittenberg or MAYBE Wooster).

Chicago

The Maroons also look formidable on paper if one QB steps forward.  Brizzolara is probably the league's most dangerous offensive player and the OL has quite a bit of experience.  The defense looks a little thinner, but they've got some experience in the front seven.  The schedule looks similar to what's described above - four competitive-but-winnable games to start off, a few tests (Allegheny and Wittenberg) and then another winnable NCAC foe (Oberlin) before the league schedule.  Chicago was 5-2 entering UAA play last year and that looks doable again.

Best-case: 5-2 entering UAA play (losses to Witt and one of Allegheny/Concordia/Elmhurst)

Projection: 4-3 (Just have a hunch that it'll be tough to win all three of those toss-ups)

Wash U

Wash U has the fewest returning starters of anyone in the UAA, but they do bring back their leading passer and rusher, plus the team leaders in sacks and interceptions.  So the quality is still there.  Is the depth?  I wouldn't count the Bears out.

Opening with UWW is a guaranteed loss, but also can serve as a nice marker of where the team stands.  Fortune has often smiled on teams that scheduled one of the Purple Powers to open the season in recent years.  The next several games certainly look winnable on paper, and while hosting Wabash is a tough game the Bears have certainly held their own against the LG's the last two seasons (upset in 2010, competitive in 24-3 loss in 2011 ).

Best-case: 6-1 entering UAA play

Projection: 5-2 (losses to UWW and Wabash)

I know that I've projected winning records all around, but the UAA has accomplished that each of the last two seasons (everyone has gone 4-3 or better in nonconference play).  Once the UAA schedule starts, all bets are off.  I'll probably revisit this analysis around Week 5-6 to choose my projected order of finish in conference play.

Personal Note:

Five years removed from my last game, with a new sport (marathon running) and a "career path" taking shape (cardiovascular research), I feel far enough removed from the game to attend/watch some Division III football without really "missing" the game, so I'll be attending as many CMU home games as I can this year, perhaps journeying to a CWRU game if there's a particularly attractive one that I can make it to.  Any UAA fans that are coming to Pittsburgh, let me know & I'll see if we can meet up before/during the game.  And if you're a CWRU fan that's willing to host a guest for a night or two that weekend, let me know, perhaps we can arrange something.

Good luck with the marathons! You'll have to try Chicago sometime-it's my favorite.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 29, 2012, 03:21:46 PM
Thanks!  I've been at it for several years, actually; since graduating from CMU, I've run one full and seven half-marathons, with an alltime personal best of 1:27 in the half and a brutal 4:16 full (I knew going in that I was not adequately trained, but stubbornly ran anyway just to say that I did it).  I've found that I can hold up pretty well in a half-marathon even on a modest amount of mileage - this spring, only running about 20 miles per week, I managed a 1:34 half.  I've put in some more mileage over the summer and I'm registered for another half in October, where I except to challenge that old PR.

I may try Chicago sometime once I feel a little better at the full marathon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 29, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 29, 2012, 03:21:46 PM
Thanks!  I've been at it for several years, actually; since graduating from CMU, I've run one full and seven half-marathons, with an alltime personal best of 1:27 in the half and a brutal 4:16 full (I knew going in that I was not adequately trained, but stubbornly ran anyway just to say that I did it).  I've found that I can hold up pretty well in a half-marathon even on a modest amount of mileage - this spring, only running about 20 miles per week, I managed a 1:34 half.  I've put in some more mileage over the summer and I'm registered for another half in October, where I except to challenge that old PR.

I may try Chicago sometime once I feel a little better at the full marathon.
I've never run a half, but only ran Chicago because an athlete of mine wanted to try it. My best was 3:41 and since I was only hoping to break 4 hrs, I felt pretty good. I got hooked after the first one, but have yet to break the 3:30 mark and probably won't until I can train properly again. If you've been training you should be able to PR-have fun!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 29, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
I am a new CWRU football parent.  I know that CWRU provides an audio feed of away games.  Does anyone know if the away team (Marietta) provides a video feed?  I am not sure my son will travel this season but I would love to get a look at the team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 29, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 29, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
I am a new CWRU football parent.  I know that CWRU provides an audio feed of away games.  Does anyone know if the away team (Marietta) provides a video feed?  I am not sure my son will travel this season but I would love to get a look at the team.
Welcome to the boards and enjoy the ride. Four years will fly by. Check theMarietta athletic/football page. That information should be posted there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 29, 2012, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 29, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Welcome to the boards and enjoy the ride. Four years will fly by. Check theMarietta athletic/football page. That information should be posted there.

Thanks.  I am sure that it will fly by.  I still remember him as a pee wee player, with no teeth.  He is excited to be at CWRU and seems to be enjoying his experience.  So far I have only heard from him when he needs food. :-\
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 29, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
I found it!  It looks like there will be video!

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=football (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=football)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 29, 2012, 09:31:24 PM
Welcome Mom!

I'm an old alum, but have made the acquantance of a few players' Dads the last couple of years.  There was a fairly active parents' group that tailgated before the games, home and away.  Not sure who has picked up the flag for this year, as the sons of those I knew have graduated.

As I recall, Hiram, OWU, Oberlin, and Chicago all stream video.

On the OAC pick-em board they are giving 12.5 pts to Marietta.  So far only 1 of 10 is taking the points.   I predict 24-7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on August 30, 2012, 01:42:33 AM
As the parent of a CWRU senior player I can attest to the time flying by Mom. Seems like yesterday that I was looking for ways to see/hear about the team because he wasn't travelling.

I have enjoyed reading the posts on this board, especially from ADL70, who provides some good info, insight and opinions.

For Saturday's game may I suggest (if possible) watching the Marietta feed while listening to the audio from Case. I think the Case announcers do a very good job calling the games and providing commentary.
Welcome to CWRU football!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 30, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
I also say welcome, SpartanMom, and please feel free to post any and everything to the boards during the season.  There are only a couple of us regulars here on the UAA board, but between us we've got a couple of unique perspectives - older alums, other parents, former players.  There are more CWRU forumites, it seems, than any of the other UAA schools.

I'll introduce myself as a 26-year-old CMU graduate (thus the handle ExTartanPlayer), a former offensive tackle that's now about two-thirds the man that I used to be.  If you have any more "private" questions about your son's experience, feel free to PM me; as an ex-player of fairly recent vintage, I can offer some perspective on the many emotions a high school "star" can experience in the tougher/deeper college environment.  I went from starting a few games a freshman to getting benched in the midst of a crappy sophomore season to starting every game for an 11-1 playoff team as a junior and a 7-4 team as a senior...so I certainly went through the whole wash/rinse/dry cycle of emotions over my four years!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 30, 2012, 04:30:56 PM
Thank you all for the warm welcome!  I am having a little bit of football withdrawal as my son starts his college career.  Like most football parents I have enjoyed the ride.  It will be weird to be at the HS game on Friday without a player in the game.  Our middle son is in marching band. 

It is true that my son was a key player on his high school team but I think he has reasonable expectations for this season.  He is not on the 2 deep roster, but he is on the 3 deep and he is happy with that, especially since CWRU has so many returning seniors on defense.  As long as he gets good grades and he is happy then I will be happy.

We will be taking the advice above and setting up two laptops with the video from Marietta and audio from CWRU.  It will be a good way to learn about the Ohio D3 landscape.  We loved the campus when we were in Cleveland and we are looking forward to visiting for parents weekend/homecoming.  If any of you are there it would be fun to meet up before the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on August 30, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
Mom we are travelling the same path. This will be my first season of Friday nights without a player to watch in 7 years (I have a son who is a freshman player at another school). My daughter is a cheerleader so I do get to enjoy that. Then the drive to Cleveland after the game Friday night.

Hope to meet you at a game. My son plays defense too so I know about waiting your turn...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 30, 2012, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: mustang on August 30, 2012, 06:41:26 PMHope to meet you at a game. My son plays defense too so I know about waiting your turn...

We are out of state so driving to Cleveland on a bi weekly basis is not possible.  We will be in town for parents weeend/homecoming.  It would be great to meet you then.  Good luck to your son.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 30, 2012, 07:55:00 PM
My son just got the word that he made the travel roster for this week.  He doesn't expect to play but I am excited for him!  Maybe I'll catch a glimpse of him on the sideline!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
I'm loving all this activity!!!

Thanks for the kind words, mustang.  I'll get to a couple of home games (Wooster for sure and WUstL or CMU) and at OWU. I'm waffling on going to Marietta.  That was my plan until I saw Marietta had video.  Unless it looks like a game long downpour I'll probably go.  Perhaps we'll have a chance to meet.  I met Messrs. Cowdrick, Nicely, and Metlsitz via this forum.

Mom, when you said your player was third team, I figured he's make the bus.  If there isn't a blow-out this week, there should be next week.

Thanx for the preview XTP.  Curious that WUStL was coaches' co-favorite when they have fewer starters coming back.  The measure I look at is returning All-UAA players.  By that measure, CWRU has 14 (5 -1st, 7-2ns, and 2-HM); CMU, 12 (4-1st, 7 2nd, and 1-HM); UChi, 10 (3-1st, 4-2nd, and 4-HM); and WUStL 10 (2-1st, 5-2nd, and 3-HM).  If you weight 3, 2, 1 respectively, CWRU totals 31; CMU, 27; UChi, 21; and WUStL, 19.   

In contrast to the OAC Pick-em thread, one of the d3.com gurus picked the game as "surprisingly close game."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 31, 2012, 07:25:32 AM
He figured he had made the travel squad for this week also but one of the older guys is hurt and he wasn't sure if he would be back for the game.  It was nice to hear him excited.  Maybe I'll see him on the sidelines.  It is nice to have some reinforcement that he is working hard.  He doesn't figure he will play.  He's just happy to be there.  He will be playing in the JV game on Sunday but there is no way for us to see that game.  It's not practical to fly to Ohio to see a JV game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on August 31, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
That's good news for your son. Watching your team play from the sideline will be good for him, nothing like watching your team play another team as opposed to practicing against yourselves. I am aware of 2 seniors on defense that will not play due to injury, 1 of them a starter.

ADL I will be at all games except Marietta. I have a rule about getting too close to West Virginia, you could get sucked into a vortex and never leave the place.

I'm thinking the close game prediction is a concern that if the game turns into a shootout Marietta could have a chance. I think there are unanswered questions about the Case offense, especially O-line.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 31, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
I hope that I don't sound arrogant or over-confident, but I really don't see this game being that close.  JCU has generally been a better OAC team in recent years, and we've opened each of the last two seasons with wins over that program.

I suspect we'll win by 3 TDs or more.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 31, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
It's a reasonable belief, Jagran, and I'm inclined to agree with you.

However, Week 1 often has at least one total head-scratcher of a result somewhere in the D-3 landscape.  There's just something about that first game of a season.

Of course I think CWRU will win.  It also wouldn't surprise me if the game is close.  Same with CMU vs Grove City - given our returning talent, I think we oughta win something like 28-10, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's 17-14 or something of that ilk.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 01, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Valiant effort by the Bears v #1.  D contained the Warhawks for a time, but O was unable to get anything going.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2012, 07:30:43 PM
Ugh!

This has been an UGLY start thus far!  Already behind 10-0.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 01, 2012, 08:13:14 PM
What a difference a quarter makes.  The D showed up in the 2nd quarter and we started to gain some yardage.  It's now tied up at 10 going into halftime.  Here's hoping the second half is more like the second quarter than the first quarter.

Has anyone else found the video stream?  I just get redirected to wtap.com and can't find it on there.  I have resorted to Live Stats plus Audio.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 01, 2012, 10:01:36 PM
Well, now don't I feel STUPID!!!

I guess that game was close after all.

Next time, I should learn not to talk smack.

My apologies!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 03, 2012, 08:23:38 AM
Report from CMU's 23-20 win over Grove City:

Not the prettiest Week 1 win, but I'll gladly take it.  CMU was outplayed for much of the first half - GCC moved the ball a little too easily for my taste, and the CMU offense struggled to get on track early.   The game really turned on a few key plays that went CMU's way - McGrath's end-zone INT saved our bacon early and kept us in it, Thompson came up with an INT late in the second quarter that led to a 52-yard touchdown bomb on a third down with less than a minute before halftime, and then the rain delay (with GCC holding a 20-16 lead in the early fourth) seemed to take the wind out of GCC's sails and re-energize CMU, who totally outplayed GCC for the last 12 minutes.  Kalkstein was a little erratic overall, but connected on the game's two biggest plays (two long touchdown passes at crucial junctures in the game).  DB Liam McGrath came up with a second pick to seal the game late in the fourth, and FB Delello ran the ball very effectively on the last couple drives and deserves a lot of credit for that.

Re: Jagran, it's a lesson you should have learned over the past few years - unless you're playing the Hirams and Kenyons of the world, there are very few games that you can really take for granted!  You've been spoiled with CWRU's success the last five years, but you forget that it doesn't always come that easily - and even 9-10 win teams usually have to scrap a few times along the way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
The cliche' of Mo was clear in the Marietta game.  After Marietta scored 10, CWRU scored the next 26, until Marietta scored the last 13. 
Marietta shot itself in the foot with formation related penalites and 1 missed and 1 blocked short field goal.

Jeff check your PM  ; )
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2012, 07:57:13 PM
Calabrese looks to be out for Saturday, but Nossem will be back starting in the middle.  Fioramonti and Ferguson sharing OLB.

Live streaming from Hiram.

CMU @ Allegheny will be live on FSC at 3:30.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 06, 2012, 01:01:45 AM
Preview for CWRU @ Hiram:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120905yjmsti
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 06, 2012, 11:05:30 AM
Interesting factoid from that CWRU-Hiram preview: incredibly, Hiram leads the alltime series 11-10-1 despite CWRU's recent dominance (thanks mostly to wins from the 70's and 80's).  I'm guessing that this will be the last time that's the case for quite some time.

I'm planning to road-trip to the CMU-Gheny game on Saturday after a morning kayaking trip with a fellow CMU alum.  Will post my observations sometime the following day.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Schwami on September 07, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
From Allegheny College:

The Allegheny Gators host their first home football game of the season Saturday, September 8, against Carnegie Mellon University.  Kickoff is 3:30 p.m.

The game will be broadcast live on ESPN3 and other networks.  Fox Regional Sports Networks will carry the game on channel ranges 411-426 for Dish Network and 617-623 for DIRECTV.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:16:55 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 09, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
Do any of the Case people know if the game audio is archived?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 09, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
Do any of the Case people know if the game audio is archived?

Yes

http://www.meridix.com/everywhere.php?liveid=hiramcollege
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 10, 2012, 09:28:10 AM
CMU looked terrific against Allegheny.  While the Gators are not exactly a Purple Power, they're a decent mid-level program and we've had a lot of trouble with them the last few years.  A 37-7 win is nice, and it was great to see some big plays out of the passing game for the second week in a row.  An experienced QB can make a big difference at this level.  The ground game has been steady but unspectacular the first two weeks, and the defense was much sharper this week (although the Allegheny offense may not be all that great).  CMU has a great opportunity to get off to a fast start, with a few more winnable games before Wabash and the league schedule.

Looks like CWRU shot par for the course with a relatively-clean 35-0 win over Hiram.  Still have to consider them the league favorite for the time being.

Disappointing result from WashU (surprised how much Rhodes gashed them in the running game) and a tough close loss for Chicago - big offense, somewhat lacking defense.  Needed to convert one more of those FG drives into a touchdown and it was their game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 10, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
I thought I'd give you a chance to crow before I commented.  An impressive win.  Allegheny appears to be the best team in the NCAC not called Wittenberg or Wabash.

CWRU won the game, but may have lost Riordan on a punt return late in the 4th quarter.  You pull the starters from offense, why leave them in on special teams?

The Academic Bowl may well not be all that's on the line in the final game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 10, 2012, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 10, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
I thought I'd give you a chance to crow before I commented.  An impressive win.  Allegheny appears to be the best team in the NCAC not called Wittenberg or Wabash.

We'll see.  They were pretty even with Wooster in week 1.  OWU did some good things on Saturday so they might emerge.  DePauw, if they can get any kind of decent QB play at all, really should occupy that third spot.  In any case, there's a Grand Canyon sized gap between Wabash/Witt and the next tier of teams in the league this year. 

That said, the Gators generally put up stiff resistance when Wabash plays out there, so the Tartan mauling of Allegheny did not go unnoticed here.  I'd not be surprised if CMU is the second best team Wabash plays in the regular season this year.  Ought to be an interesting game in C'ville in a few weeks.  Wittenberg will be on the horizon and preparing for CMU will be out of the ordinary as Wabash hasn't played a wing-t team since OWU more or less abandoned it a few years ago.  Wabash's focus and preparation will be tested that week. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 11, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 10, 2012, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 10, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
I thought I'd give you a chance to crow before I commented.  An impressive win.  Allegheny appears to be the best team in the NCAC not called Wittenberg or Wabash.
We'll see.  They were pretty even with Wooster in week 1.  OWU did some good things on Saturday so they might emerge.  DePauw, if they can get any kind of decent QB play at all, really should occupy that third spot.  In any case, there's a Grand Canyon sized gap between Wabash/Witt and the next tier of teams in the league this year. 

Agreed, wally.  I'm not about to climb on my high horse and proclaim that CMU is headed back to the playoffs just because of a Week 2 win against Allegheny.  The Gators were pretty good in 2009-10 but seemed to take a step back last year, and it's hard to figure exactly how good they'll be this year.  With that said...

Outside of Wabash & Witt, Allegheny has been the most consistently "decent" program in the NCAC over the last five years, generally finishing 3rd/4th in the league and occasionally producing a real quality team (especially the 2010 team that went 7-3 with VERY close losses to CWRU and Witt; that was probably their best team, although the 2009 team went 8-2).

CMU hasn't beaten anybody decent in the last four years; we've really just feasted on the Kenyons and Hirams of the world in recent years.  Our last win over a team that finished the season with a winning record came in 2007 (when yours truly was still playing left tackle).  So I'm taking a decisive win on the road against a team like Allegheny, and with a favorable schedule in the next few weeks, CMU might take some momentum into the UAA schedule.

walls, I'm not going to say that CMU is really good enough to push Wabash, but it could be an interesting game because of some of the factors that you mentioned.  We'll talk again in a few weeks if CMU wins the next two.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 13, 2012, 08:09:15 PM
For those of you interested in Wash-U's upcoming game with Coe, here is the portal for our Internet video webcast:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/wustl.portal#

The Bears Den Pre-Game Show begins at 12:30 p.m. Central, and the opening kickoff will be at 1:00.

Thanks!

Jay Murry
Washington University Internet Play-By-Play Broadcaster
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 15, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
CMU gains 333 yards v CUA.   333 yds passing!!!

Oh, and 120 on the ground.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 15, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
I'll be grilling by House 4 if anyone want to join.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 15, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 15, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
CMU gains 333 yards v CUA.   333 yds passing!!!

Oh, and 120 on the ground.

What's most amazing is that they only attempted 13 passes!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 15, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Tiny sliver of silver in today's gray cloud...still 2-0 in-region.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 16, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
Didn't think of it that way, not sure I should come in off the ledge though. That was a tough one to watch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 17, 2012, 09:35:13 AM
Tough weekend all around for the UAA.

Chicago pounded by Elmhurst.  I know that Elmhurst is from a tough conference, and that's usually a tough game, but it has to be disappointing for the Maroons (considering that they did beat Elmhurst last year).

WashU gave a decent fight against a pretty good Coe team, and they certainly didn't quit (scoring to make it 20-14 with a minute to go), but it's tough to drop to 0-3.  Looks like they pulled a QB switch midway through the game, too.  Wonder if that will be permanent, since it looks like the backup had some more success and led that last TD drive.

Bad loss for CWRU.  Tough to lose by the margin of a missed PAT, but looking at the box score it looks like they were outplayed by more than that margin.  Looks like Sicre put in a yeoman's effort, and surprised to see Olson struggle that much in the passing game.  Thoughts from CWRU gang?

CMU looked very good on Friday night vs. Catholic.  QB continues to be very efficient and we have two WR's with some deep speed, making us much tougher to defend than we've generally been the last few years.  With an experienced OL, deep backfield, and just-good-enough defense, I'm starting to feel good about this CMU team.  We'll know a lot more after the next two weeks, but CMU definitely is off to the best start in the UAA.  Whether that translates into the best finish remains to be seen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 17, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
Observations from the Case game:

The Frosty Oline had a clear size advantage, several 300 lb guys who weren't slugs. Case linemen and lb's were getting sealed at the point of attack and tackles were made 4-6 yards downfield because of it. Case also got caught blitzing where the playcall was perfect against it.

The Frosty QB did a good job using his feet to get out of trouble. Very mobile, very smart.

The Case offense wasn't bad, they just didn't finish drives. Olson was the victim of a couple of dropped balls on key plays but they have to find a way to overcome that. My personal pet peeve in football is backs and recievers who don't know where the first down marker is. It does you no good to run a 5 yard in on 3rd and 8.

That being said Case had a chance to put the game away with less than 5 minutes left in the game and couldn't seal the deal.

All in all a winnable game against an unknown opponent at home. We'll see how they respond in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 17, 2012, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 17, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
My personal pet peeve in football is backs and recievers who don't know where the first down marker is. It does you no good to run a 5 yard in on 3rd and 8.

FWIW, while a lot of fans & commentators latch onto this point as a lack of receiver awareness, some coaches are sticklers for running the pass route precisely as it's drawn up.  Believe it or not, there IS a reason for it - running a route deeper or shorter than it's designed can screw up the spacing needed for the play to succeed and might a) bring you closer to a defender's path or b) take a defender into a path of your teammate that might have otherwise been open.  So don't just assume that the kids run a route short of the first-down marker because they're dumb.  They might be following coaches' instructions.

I'd also argue that running a 5 yard in on 3rd and 8 can be a big play if you catch the ball with room to run.  Just saying you have to throw the ball past the first-down marker ignores the fact that it's often easier to complete a short pass and get some YAC than it can be to complete a pass 12-15 yards down the field, especially in the Division III game where QB's may not have the arm strength that Division I QB's have.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 17, 2012, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 17, 2012, 02:46:44 PMThe Frosty Oline had a clear size advantage, several 300 lb guys who weren't slugs. Case linemen and lb's were getting sealed at the point of attack and tackles were made 4-6 yards downfield because of it.

I think this was the biggest issue of the day.  OL was blown away every single play.

Quote from: mustang on September 17, 2012, 02:46:44 PMThe Case offense wasn't bad, they just didn't finish drives.

Not finishing drives is a really big deal.  I think they miss Riordan.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 17, 2012, 04:20:21 PM
OOPs.  Meant to say DL not OL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 19, 2012, 10:33:34 PM
Case could not control either line.  FSU marched up and down the field most of the game and that is evident in the significant variance in time of possession. 
I agree that we miss Kenny, he was having a good year and is a very good runner BUT the defense just could not stop the plays.  FSU's quarterback seemed to have quite a bit of time with little pressure from the d-line..
OWU seems to have a passing team, the defense needs to step up and have a good game and must apply pressure to the quarterback.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2012, 11:44:29 PM
Welcome fldad!!!

OWU's linemen won"t be as big as Frostburg's.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2012, 09:06:20 AM
Good UAA vs. NCAC matchups.

Case vs. OWU intrigues me.  Case has owned the lower-to-mid echelon teams in the NCAC the last few years, but a) Case had a disappointing loss to Frostburg and and b) OWU looks improved to start this year and is probably viewing this game as a chance to make a statement that they've made enough progress to contend for the 3rd-4th spot in the NCAC.

WashU vs. Kenyon has a similar dynamic.  WashU is 0-3 (although they've played some very tough teams) and just needs a win, while Kenyon is a surprising 2-1 (although the wins against two of the worst teams in Division III, they are still WINS for a team that didn't have any for a while).

Chicago vs. Oberlin: the Maroons, likewise, need a win to stop the bleeding after a tough close loss two weeks ago and a whitewashing against Elmhurst.  Oberlin has been generally plucky the last couple years with a very small roster and can never really be overlooked.

CMU vs. DePauw: on paper, this might be the UAA's most favored matchup given that CMU is off to a nice start and DePauw is in some turmoil (just fired their coach for "administrative reasons" two games into the season, see NCAC board for a lot of discussion).  With that said, DePauw is only two seasons removed from a 9-2 playoff team and their losses in the first two weeks have come against traditionally powerful teams, so CMU really has to play well to win this one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2012, 09:08:22 AM
Hopefully Case will use OWU as a warm up for our next game.  I have heard that the Homecoming Game should be the toughest competition this year, although CMU has certainly looked good so far.
Here is hoping that the OL and DL play up and we get back on the winning track...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
I know that I'm splitting hairs with your word choice here, but I certainly hope that your players aren't viewing a road game at OWU as a "warmup" of any type.  Yes, Case (and for that matter, the entire UAA) has beaten up on the lower half of the NCAC for the last few years, but this is one game I would not be taking for granted at all - not a week after giving up 400 yards and losing at home to a team that hasn't finished with a winning record since 2005.

Honestly, I hope CWRU wins by four touchdowns - I root for all of the UAA teams because it raises everyone's profile for our conference to do well in nonconference play - but I'm expecting that to be a close-ish game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
I agree with you and my 'choice' of words were poor indeed.  I am not taking OWU lightly (and am sure that neither is Coach Debs).  I meant to say that hopefully they use this game to play up to their potential and make all necessary adjustments prior to the next game against Wittenberg.
I am going to go (hope) with your CWRU winning by four touchdowns quote below, but we can't take anything for granted. 
BTW, it appears to me that OWU 'is' a passing team...they have almost twice as many yards passing as they do rushing. On the other hand, rushing defense has not been as strong as their passing defense. 
We'll see, I'm sure Coach Debs has the boys ready to go....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2012, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: casefldad on September 21, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
BTW, it appears to me that OWU 'is' a passing team...they have almost twice as many yards passing as they do rushing. On the other hand, rushing defense has not been as strong as their passing defense. 
We'll see, I'm sure Coach Debs has the boys ready to go....

You are correct, sir.  OWU is sitting on about a 2:1 pass:run ratio so far this season.  The OWU quarterback is a big kid who's been starting pretty much from day 1 as a freshman.  He's had obvious talent from the beginning, now it seems that he's got experience and is playing quite well so far in 2012.  The Bishops are going to try to ride Espinosa back into relevance in the NCAC.  This weekend will be a good test to see how far along they've come in just a few short weeks.   This is the game of the week for me tomorrow.  I think we'll learn a lot about both of these teams tomorrow night. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2012, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2012, 01:11:12 PM
The Bishops are going to try to ride Espinosa back into relevance in the NCAC.  This weekend will be a good test to see how far along they've come in just a few short weeks.   This is the game of the week for me tomorrow. I think we'll learn a lot about both of these teams tomorrow night.

One thing that's gotten lost in our enthusiasm about OWU's potential improvement from last year...they are 2-0, but the wins did come against two teams that they beat last year, and the margins of victory are also somewhat comparable.

That's why I bolded the two quotes that I did - tomorrow is a chance for OWU to show that they are actually something more than they were last year.  Perhaps I've gotten a little carried away thus far, but OWU can prove it on the field.  Likewise, CWRU needs a solid performance and a win here to show that they haven't fallen all the way back to the pack.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
You're right, ETP.  So far, OWU hasn't really done anything that they didn't do last year. I think there are a couple of important differences...those games against Denison and Oberlin were Bishop home games last year whereas this year they were road games.  And in the two games so far in 2012, OWU has really controlled the game both times whereas last year they needed to rally at Oberlin and were a little sluggish against Denison.  There's just a different feeling about that team to me.  It's a litlte unfortunate that OWU doesn't have a more recent result against CWRU so that we could use that as perhaps a better benchmark for their progress. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 21, 2012, 03:45:52 PM
Stats don't lie, and the Case defense was on the field far too long. However they gave up only 10 points with 4 minutes remaining in the game. Case had a chance to put them away and didn't.

Hopefully the team will have learned from this and we'll see a much better result on both sides of the ball tomorrow night. Does anybody know if it's supposed to rain and if it does will that slow down the OWU passing game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
Rain looks to be ending right before game time, but field will be wet.  57 at ko 16 mph winds

Interestingly I noted 3 different players at LG last week.

Andy, I'll look for you about 5:45.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 22, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Anyone know what the weather is like at this point (1 hour before game)?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 22, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
WashU wins its first game of the season, 28-23 at home vs. a pesky Kenyon squad that had to ditch its running game after its star RB (Brett Williams) left the game in the first quarter because of a concession.

Dan Burkett came off the bench in the first quarter after Eric Daginella suffered an injury, and threw 2 TD passes.  The Bears were also aided by 99 rushing yards from Chris Castelluccio and an 84-yard INT return for a TD by Ryan Bednar.

WashU takes its 1-3 record to DePauw next Saturday, before a bye week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 22, 2012, 09:49:13 PM
Heartbreaking loss!!!   I thought for sure that we were in control and would hold unto the ball until we could score and put the game away.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2012, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: casefldad on September 22, 2012, 09:49:13 PM
Heartbreaking loss!!!   I thought for sure that we were in control and would hold unto the ball until we could score and put the game away.

It's hard to win with two fumbles inside the 10 yard line.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 22, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
True enough.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 23, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Or when you're -5 in the turnover department.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 23, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Unlike the FSU, Case had twice as many yards, twice as many 1st downs and held the ball for 34 minutes vs 25 minute for OWU.  It certainly seemed like we had opportunities to score addtional points.
There were a lot of factors that contributed to the defeat, some our own and some not.
* three turnovers in OWU's territory
* two missed field goals
* referees failed to make a call on a safety by OWU when their QB threw the ball with no one in the vicinity.  True, that is  only 2 points - but still.
* their kicker came in 'huge' with a field goal which was not a chip-shot (and he appear to have distance to have gone a few more yards
* we had a couple of sacks, but consistently gave their QB too much time

A tough loss, now on to next week and from everything I have heard - that is not an easy game.

Gotta have faith......

Go Spartans!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 24, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
Don't want to pile on, we all know you can't make these kinds of mistakes and expect a good result.

That being said, Case was in a position to put away both losses and didn't get it done. I'm hopeful that the players can find whatever "intangible" it is and put away teams when they get the chance, whichever side of the ball has the opportunity to do so.

From what I'm told, the team they play on Saturday does not miss such chances.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
One thought that comes to mind, CWRU posters (and please forgive drawing on my own experience here - I've been criticized in the past for using my own experiences to relive the glory days): this early-season swoon from Case shows just how thin the line can be between winning & losing. 

For the newer CWRU posters that don't "know" me already, I started every game at left tackle for Carnegie Mellon in 2006 and 2007.  In 2006, we went undefeated in the regular season because we held the ball, converted all the types of opportunities you're discussing, and put away teams when we had the chance.  In 2007, we made some of those mistakes and lost four straight close games:

- Lost to Hobart 27-26; scored a TD with <1 min to go and went for go-ahead 2-point conversion, didn't convert

- Lost to Allegheny 27-21; outgained them badly, but our QB turned the ball over five times

- Lost to Randolph-Macon 21-10; had the ball trailing 14-10, with a chance to score the go-ahead TD, before a turnover with 1:30 to go led to a late TD

- Lost to Case 20-17 in OT; had the ball on the CWRU three-yard line, tied at 17, with a chance for go-ahead TD and our quarterback fumbled the ball on an inside handoff

All four of those losses came in winnable games against teams that were OK, but also beatable.  Talent-wise, there was surprisingly little difference between an undefeated team and a 6-4 team.  We churned out just as many rushing yards in 2007 as we had in 2006, and our defense was only slightly better on the 2006 team than the 2007 team.  It came down to those little key turning points that come in every game between relatively-evenly-talented teams.

CWRU, despite the early losses, is basically two breaks from being 4-0.  If they start making those key plays, things will turn around.  Wittenberg is a VERY good team, and the "dark" times may extend another week or two, but take heart: after our midseason swoon in 2007, we rallied to win our last four games, plus an ECAC bowl game.  CWRU still can salvage a strong finish.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 24, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Ex-TartanPlayer:  Excellent points and all well taken.  I still believe that Case can have a good season if they manage to find a way to score when they are inside the 20 yard line.  There truly is a very thin line, when you loose two games by a total of four points.
I'm hoping that they'll come out with that 'intangible' this coming Saturday.  There should be a good fan turnout, it's Homecoming and a number of other activities are going on.  I'll be there rooting the team!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 24, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
I'm in total agreement with you guys.

I also wanted to compliment the OWU kicker/field goal unit. That was a clutch kick and no gimme. Well done.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 24, 2012, 11:16:05 PM
Quote from: casefldad on September 24, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Ex-TartanPlayer:  Excellent points and all well taken.  I still believe that Case can have a good season if they manage to find a way to score when they are inside the 20 yard line.  There truly is a very thin line, when you loose two games by a total of four points.
I'm hoping that they'll come out with that 'intangible' this coming Saturday.  There should be a good fan turnout, it's Homecoming and a number of other activities are going on.  I'll be there rooting the team!

I'll be there also!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 25, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
In response to the comment about the OWU kicker, you are so right.  That was a huge kick and he seemed to have room to spare.  It appears that he also had a good game a week earlier so this was no fluke.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 25, 2012, 01:48:15 PM
Yes, I know a kicker at a local high school who was seriously considering OWU. But after the season the current kicker is having, he is considering other schools as well. HE is not sure he wants to come to OWU to sit for two years. I hope he still chooses OWU and comes in and competes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Interesting stat from Saturday's game:
Defensive stats for Dan Calabrese...zero 

I don't quite know what to make of that, but I do not in any way intend it as criticism of him.

I'd like to see Hanzlik get a few more snaps to relieve Sicre a bit.

For those scoring at home, the rugby return was officially:

Miles MacKenzie kickoff 60 yards to the CASE5, Dan Calabrese return 5 yards to the CASE10, Manny Sicre for 8 yards to the CASE18, Dan Calabrese for loss of 4 yards to the CASE14, fumble by Dan Calabrese recovered by OWU Brok Gould at CASE14, Brok Gould for 11 yards to the CASE3 (Manny Sicre).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 26, 2012, 11:38:54 AM
My take on this week's UAA slate:

Case Western (2-2) vs. Wittenberg (3-0)
Carnegie Mellon (4-0) at Wabash (2-1)

Call me crazy, but I think BOTH of these matchups are very intriguing for UAA and NCAC fans.  Plus, there is the added intrigue that Wittenberg and Wabash play each other the following week, meaning that they follow these games with their biggest league game of the season.

Case Western is off to a shaky start with two losses to mediocre opponents.  On the bright side, they're just a few plays from being 4-0 and they still have plenty of experienced guys around from last year's 9-1 team, including the QB.  I just can't imagine that CWRU is actually as bad as they've looked the last two weeks. 

Wittenberg looked like world-beaters in their first two games, but time has revealed that both of those opponents (Capital and DePauw) may be down a bit from their usual standard.  Wittenberg also seems play at least one curiously bad road game per year; in 2010, an undefeated NCAC-champ Witt team beat 4-6 Oberlin, 4-6 CMU, and 5-5 Wooster by 6, 6, and 5 points, respectively.  In 2011 they beat 6-4 WashU by a field goal and lost badly to Huntingdon.

The point of all the above is that, on paper, 3-0 Witt vs. 2-2 CWRU looks like a mismatch, but I'm calling this one as my "surprisingly close game" of the week.

Meanwhile, Carnegie Mellon vs. Wabash might be the most fascinating game in the North Region this week.  I've posted some detailed thoughts on the actual gameplay on the NCAC board already, so I won't repeat it all here, but the stakes are pretty high for both teams.  CMU has a chance to legitimize its 4-0 start and stake an early claim for a Pool B playoff berth; Wabash is coming off a stunning upset loss and needs a solid win to regain momentum heading into the Wittenberg game the next week.  It's tantalizing to look at CMU's handling of Allegheny, combined with the fact that the Gators managed to upset Wabash last week, and draw the conclusion that CMU is the better team this year.  I don't buy that logic for a second (and I almost wish that Wabash had beaten Allegheny; now they'll be coming into the game pissed-off and in dire need of a victory; no chance we'll catch them looking ahead to Wittenberg).

Wash U (1-3) vs. DePauw (0-3)

The Bears finally got off the schneid last week against a much-improved Kenyon team.  They should be able to keep the momentum rolling this week against a DePauw team that's just in total disarray with the recent firing of their coach.  They'll need it, too, with Wabash looming after their bye week.

Chicago (2-2) vs. Bye Week

I think the Maroons will hold serve this week and stay 2-2.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 27, 2012, 11:19:38 AM
http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2012/CMU-has-hard-hitting-humanitarian

Nice article in around the region about a CMU linebacker, Akwasi Brefo, doing some nice work in Africa over the summer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 28, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on September 25, 2012, 01:48:15 PM
Yes, I know a kicker at a local high school who was seriously considering OWU. But after the season the current kicker is having, he is considering other schools as well. HE is not sure he wants to come to OWU to sit for two years. I hope he still chooses OWU and comes in and competes.

CWRU could use a good kicker.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 29, 2012, 01:26:38 PM
Here we go again.  No points after a 1st and goal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 29, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
I feel for the D, they did everything possible to give the O the chance to win this game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 30, 2012, 05:33:04 PM
Yesterday I got my first chance to see CWRU live.  I have watched all the games on the internet.  I was impressed with the play of the defense.  I continue to scratch my head at the offense.  The offense is able to move the ball.  We had more first downs, more total yards, better 3rd down conversion rate, etc....Yet-the points continue to elude us.  I guess the good news is that the offense is young and will improve over the next few years. 

The defense played great.  However, the defense will get a lot younger next year. 

Personally, I was happy to be at the game and see that my son looked happy and healthy. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 30, 2012, 05:46:24 PM
This is a broad generalization, and certainly not true EVERYWHERE, but one thing I noticed about college ball vs. high school was that it seemed much harder to get points On the board through big plays because defenses were generally faster and more disciplined. That sweep where the RB gets loose, often a TD in high school, turns into a 12-yard gain in college. That quick slant where the WR makes the first guy miss still only goes for 10 yards because the safeties and LBs are all pretty good tacklers. It's a broad observation that doesn't always hold true (see yesterday's WVU-Baylor game) but that's my two cents on why points can be hard to come by at times.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 30, 2012, 05:57:12 PM
I was at the game and I believe that we outplayed Wittenberg but weren't able to punch it in and score more points.  For those of you that are able to see the games on a 'play by play basis' (have access to HUDL), go to frame #143.  On the play that we were stopped on 4th and 1, Wittenberg had twelve (12) players on the defense.  The referees missed it and I am not sure what Case had to do to point it out, could they have called at time-out and have the referees count the players?  That should have been a penalty which would have given us a first down and the drive would have continued.
The defense played good, although we were giving a lot of yards to the running back on the flat and the offensive line was able to move the Wittenberg DL for most of the game.
Tough loss (another one)....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 30, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 30, 2012, 05:33:04 PM
Yesterday I got my first chance to see CWRU live.  I have watched all the games on the internet.  I was impressed with the play of the defense.  I continue to scratch my head at the offense.  The offense is able to move the ball.  We had more first downs, more total yards, better 3rd down conversion rate, etc....Yet-the points continue to elude us.  I guess the good news is that the offense is young and will improve over the next few years. 

The defense played great.  However, the defense will get a lot younger next year. 

Personally, I was happy to be at the game and see that my son looked happy and healthy.


I hope you liked the football facility, it was one of the reasons on the athletic side that my son chose Case over some of the other engineering schools that he was looking at. As disappointed as I am with the loss, this is the best I have felt about the team all year. They came out and played a good opponent with passion and fire. This is the only loss this year that I felt they should've won. We are offensively inept in the red zone and that has to change. It must be as frustrating for the offense as it is for the rest of us to see them move the ball down the field and then come away with nothing to show for it. Sicre had a very good game and I thought Olson made some good decisions. Once again a turnover at a crucial time killed a chance to score.
The defense was outstanding. I continue to be impressed with the coaching adjustments, we basically have shut out the last few opponents in the 2nd half. We held a mobile qb and potent offense well under their average per game. Lots of things to feel good about for the remainder of the season.
Go Spartans!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 01, 2012, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 30, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 30, 2012, 05:33:04 PM
Yesterday I got my first chance to see CWRU live.  I have watched all the games on the internet.  I was impressed with the play of the defense.  I continue to scratch my head at the offense.  The offense is able to move the ball.  We had more first downs, more total yards, better 3rd down conversion rate, etc....Yet-the points continue to elude us.  I guess the good news is that the offense is young and will improve over the next few years. 

The defense played great.  However, the defense will get a lot younger next year. 

Personally, I was happy to be at the game and see that my son looked happy and healthy.


I hope you liked the football facility, it was one of the reasons on the athletic side that my son chose Case over some of the other engineering schools that he was looking at. As disappointed as I am with the loss, this is the best I have felt about the team all year. They came out and played a good opponent with passion and fire. This is the only loss this year that I felt they should've won. We are offensively inept in the red zone and that has to change. It must be as frustrating for the offense as it is for the rest of us to see them move the ball down the field and then come away with nothing to show for it. Sicre had a very good game and I thought Olson made some good decisions. Once again a turnover at a crucial time killed a chance to score.
The defense was outstanding. I continue to be impressed with the coaching adjustments, we basically have shut out the last few opponents in the 2nd half. We held a mobile qb and potent offense well under their average per game. Lots of things to feel good about for the remainder of the season.
Go Spartans!!!!

The football facility was great.  We saw it when he visited so it wasn't a surprise to us.  My son seems to be very happy with the football program so far.  He isn't getting any playing time but he seems happy that he is practicing with the varsity and getting attention from the coaching staff.  He says the defense will be losing 9 starters next season so he thinks he has a good chance to get more playing time int he future. 

I was happy to be there and see my son.  He looked great and was very positive.  The only thing he complained about was the dining hall food.  He was really happy that we took him out for a few meals while we were there.  When he is playing we will come to Cleveland more often to see the games.  Until then we will have to be content viewing online.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 01, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on October 01, 2012, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 30, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 30, 2012, 05:33:04 PM
Yesterday I got my first chance to see CWRU live.  I have watched all the games on the internet.  I was impressed with the play of the defense.  I continue to scratch my head at the offense.  The offense is able to move the ball.  We had more first downs, more total yards, better 3rd down conversion rate, etc....Yet-the points continue to elude us.  I guess the good news is that the offense is young and will improve over the next few years. 

The defense played great.  However, the defense will get a lot younger next year. 

Personally, I was happy to be at the game and see that my son looked happy and healthy.


I hope you liked the football facility, it was one of the reasons on the athletic side that my son chose Case over some of the other engineering schools that he was looking at. As disappointed as I am with the loss, this is the best I have felt about the team all year. They came out and played a good opponent with passion and fire. This is the only loss this year that I felt they should've won. We are offensively inept in the red zone and that has to change. It must be as frustrating for the offense as it is for the rest of us to see them move the ball down the field and then come away with nothing to show for it. Sicre had a very good game and I thought Olson made some good decisions. Once again a turnover at a crucial time killed a chance to score.
The defense was outstanding. I continue to be impressed with the coaching adjustments, we basically have shut out the last few opponents in the 2nd half. We held a mobile qb and potent offense well under their average per game. Lots of things to feel good about for the remainder of the season.
Go Spartans!!!!

The football facility was great.  We saw it when he visited so it wasn't a surprise to us.  My son seems to be very happy with the football program so far.  He isn't getting any playing time but he seems happy that he is practicing with the varsity and getting attention from the coaching staff.  He says the defense will be losing 9 starters next season so he thinks he has a good chance to get more playing time int he future. 

I was happy to be there and see my son.  He looked great and was very positive.  The only thing he complained about was the dining hall food.  He was really happy that we took him out for a few meals while we were there.  When he is playing we will come to Cleveland more often to see the games.  Until then we will have to be content viewing online.
My son is a senior and he still does not like the dining hall food ;D ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 03, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
I realize that this isn't football related, but on a positive note, the CWRU men's cross-country team just won the All-Ohio D3 championship meet by a significant margin!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 04, 2012, 06:28:44 AM
Left a couple of my thoughts on the week's UAA-NCAC matchups over on the NCAC board, but I think there are interesting matchups for all UAA teams this week.  Chicago has a nice matchup against a hot-and-cold Allegheny team, CWRU is facing an opponent in a similar position to their own in struggling Wooster, CMU has a nice chance to rebound from last week's tough loss to Wabash against a 2-2 Denison team that they can't take lightly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 04, 2012, 07:44:20 AM
Well, I'm hoping that we win the final installment of the Baird Brothers Trophy matchup.

I actually had Robert Baird for microeconomics at Case back in 1991.

SI once called it the most unusual trophy in college sports, or something to that effect!

Moreover, before we move to the PAC, I hope we beat our neighbor Oberlin once or twice more to extend what has to be one of the longest winning DIII football winning streaks of one program over another.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 04, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
Do we know Sicre's status for Saturday?

This is the first time since 1999 that the Spartans have a losing record when playing Wooster.  And the first time since 1995 that both teams have losing records coming into the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 05, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
Anyone know what happened to the CMU player who was taken off on a stretcher in the Wabash game ? I've been meaning to ask all week. I hope that young man is okay.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 07, 2012, 04:51:35 AM
Good to see Case get back on the winning track!  Looks like the famous Baird Brothers Trophy will remain at CWRU; perhaps we should put it in a shadow box in the Hall of Fame room in Veale!

With two weeks to prepare for an Oberlin team that just lost to lowly Kenyon...............I'm betting on being back over .500 after the next game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 07, 2012, 07:16:33 AM
Congrats to CWRU for getting back on track with a hard-fought win.  Oberlin has some quality players and they play hard, but the lack of depth is just killing them.  I would note, Jagran, that Kenyon is much improved from the past few seasons, but I agree that CWRU should take Oberlin.

Nice win for CMU against Denison.  Kalkstein continues to play superb football, and the running game was productive even without THREE of our best running backs.  Thank goodness for Patrick Blanks, roster depth, and a good system...the third-string FB that started today's game, Trentalange, stepped up and played very, very well.  Our defense struggled a bit, although I think Denison's offense had something to do with that - they've been very productive in every game except their loss to Wabash. Denison QB was very impressive.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: casefldad on September 30, 2012, 05:57:12 PM
On the play that we were stopped on 4th and 1, Wittenberg had twelve (12) players on the defense.  The referees missed it

It was obvious on the CWRU video, if the officials were even paying half attention they would have seen two go out and three come in.    Oh well

Great win (and coaching job) over Wooster and done without Sicre.  Great time to have the open date next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 08, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
Case is in real need of a week off, various players were hurting and need the time off.  We need to get ready for the UAA games, that is all that is left to play for this year.  Hopefully we will have as close to a full slate of players as possible by the Oberlin game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 08, 2012, 09:51:34 AM
Gang,

What do you think of this new avatar?

It combines the Western Reserve Red Cat, Case Institute of Technology Rough Rider, and the CWRU Spartan.

Is it too small?  Or should I keep it?

In any event, I keep hoping that we'll change the mascot to the "Rough Cats."  Our logo would be a Western Reserve "cheshire" Red Cat of old, dressed in a CIT "Rough Rider" cowboy outfit.

It would show the true federation of the two schools.  Remember, the students never chose the "Spartans" mascot, although I'm not totally averse to it.  It was unilaterally chosen by the athletic department.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2012, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 08, 2012, 09:51:34 AM
Gang,

What do you think of this new avatar?

It combines the Western Reserve Red Cat, Case Institute of Technology Rough Rider, and the CWRU Spartan.

Is it too small?  Or should I keep it?

In any event, I keep hoping that we'll change the mascot to the "Rough Cats."  Our logo would be a Western Reserve "cheshire" Red Cat of old, dressed in a CIT "Rough Rider" cowboy outfit.

It would show the true federation of the two schools.  Remember, the students never chose the "Spartans" mascot, although I'm not totally averse to it.  It was unilaterally chosen by the athletic department.

As an "outsider", my vote is for you to keep it.  I think it looks good and also reminds everyone of the history and tradition of the two schools with historic football programs that merged, yet also relates the modern era of the Spartans. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2012, 08:23:39 PM
With the teams of the regular possters having the week off it's been quite here.

Meanwhle WUStL ans UChi face the Big Ws.

Bears have the history having a win over the LGs in 2010.

While The Maroon have the chain:

Wabash beat Wittenberg...Allegheny beat Wabash...Chicago beat Allegheny.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 12, 2012, 09:28:58 PM
Hard to see either UAA team winning, but stranger things have happened. I'd give Chicago a slightly better chance IF Witt has a hangover from last week and Brizzolara can break a big play or two, but it's a long shot. WashU has no chance against Wabash IMO.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 12, 2012, 11:38:24 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 12, 2012, 09:28:58 PM
Hard to see either UAA team winning, but stranger things have happened. I'd give Chicago a slightly better chance IF Witt has a hangover from last week and Brizzolara can break a big play or two, but it's a long shot. WashU has no chance against Wabash IMO.

Agreed.  I was grasping at straws to put a positive spin on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 18, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
Last week of the NCAC-UAA Scheduling Agreement.

Case Western Reserve (3-3) @ Oberlin (2-4): Oberlin played their best game of the season last week against Denison with their starting QB back in the lineup.  Trap game for CWRU before the UAA schedule starts.  The Spartans have played a number of close games this year and really are walking the line between "good" and "mediocre" thus far.  A win here is key if a winning season is the desired outcome!

Washington U. (1-5) @ Denison (2-4): Hard to figure.  WashU is a puzzling 1-5, surprisingly bad considering their program's consistency, but they may not be as bad as that record looks.  A lot of the losses have been close and some have come against very good teams.  Denison is a team that they should be able to beat if they're going to right the ship at all, but the Denison offense is pretty good (especially their QB and RB).  Interesting game.

Chicago (3-3) @ Hiram (0-6): I think Chicago might be sneaky good this year.  Tough losses early on, but against good competition, and they just beat a decent, if confusing, Allegheny team.  This should establish them solidly at 4-3 entering the UAA schedule.

Ohio Wesleyan (6-0) @ Carnegie Mellon (5-1): Already said a bunch about this game on the NCAC boards.  OWU is dangerous, but hasn't played anyone as good as CMU yet and keeps pulling out close games against lesser competition.  CMU has waxed the two common opponents, while OWU has scraped by Denison and DePauw.  However, I still think this will be a great game, and OWU's strength (passing game) plays into CMU's weakness thus far (pass defense).  I expect the CMU offense to roll all day, but will we get enough stops, or the key turnovers we need?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 18, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
I sure hope that this isn't the year that our 27 game winning streak against Oberlin comes to an end.

I'm thinking that with two weeks to prepare, we should be OK, but we've already lost three games this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 18, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
I sure hope that this isn't the year that our 27 game winning streak against Oberlin comes to an end.

I'm thinking that with two weeks to prepare, we should be OK, but we've already lost three games this season.
It may have to be done without Sicre or Olson.

Feature on Ferguson:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/index
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 20, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
My son just texted me that ESPN is doing a segment on the Baird Brothers Trophy.  It should be on around 10AM but I am sure it will be repeated.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 20, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
Looking for Case to get their winning streak to two games today and beat Oberlin.  We need to get into the UAA schedule in winning form!
Best of luck to the kids and may they all be safe..
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 20, 2012, 04:03:55 PM
Tough win... but a win...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on October 20, 2012, 07:56:20 PM
What happened to Blanks today?  One carry for five yards.  I really thought he would be a major factor and a handful for the OWU defense.  It seems CMU has been plagued with injuries to running backs this year.  Must have been a heck of a game though.  Espinosa, 65 attempts, wow.  OWU has learned to live by the pass, and they did that again this afternoon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 21, 2012, 02:40:42 AM
Whew!  All these close games are really stressing me out!

I guess Oberlin will have one last chance next season to try and break "the streak," which currently stands at 28 straight CWRU victories.

I'm a bit worried about the UAA schedule though.  This team has had to really struggle for every win.  Could be tough!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 22, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
Not a word about what a great game Ryan Ferguson had against Oberlin.  19 tackles!  That's a huge number.  Congrats on being named Co-Defensive player of the week at UAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 24, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
It's been a rough week for the CWRU players off the field.  I hope things get better for the guys.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 24, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
Off the field?

How so?

What happened?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
Check the website.  Death of Bill Deitmen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 25, 2012, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 24, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
Off the field?

How so?

What happened?

A former player died as well as a coach's mother. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 26, 2012, 05:03:21 PM
Tough week for the kids on issues far more important than a football game, life is not always fair.  I never had the pleasure of meeting Bill but he seemed the kind of young man that was easy to like.  A life gone at such an early age is tragic and unexplainable, my sincerest condolences to his family.
My sincerest condolences also to Coach Schuplinski on the death of his mother...
I hope the boys have a safe game tomorrow.
Go Spartans....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 27, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
Great win for the kids... Very emotional and sad the tribute to Billy D. when the captains brought out his jersey....
Way to start UAA play Spartans!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 27, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
Wash-U throttled Carnegie Mellon 15-3 on Senior Day in St. Louis.  Tartans were held to 31 points under their per-game average, and held to roughly half of their 434 average yards per game.

Carnegie held a 3-0 halftime lead, on a short field goal by Connor Young with 25 seconds left in the half.  Wash-U received 3 field goals in 4 attempts by freshman Alex Hallwachs in the 3rd quarter (32,46, and 41 yards), and a 43-yard bubble screen pass to Ryan Lubatkin in the 4th quarter.

Wash-U travels to Case for a Saturday showdown between the pre-season UAA co-favorites.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 28, 2012, 05:22:18 AM
Will have some thoughts later this week. WashU finally breaks through after a season filled with close losses. CMU injuries at RB obviously starting to take a toll on the offense - can only lose so many of your top rushers before the offense takes a dip. Nonetheless a very impressive defensive effort from WashU to hold the Tartans passing game in check as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 28, 2012, 01:31:22 PM
I was hoping that Patrick Blanks would play.  He was impressive when I last saw him two seasons ago at Wash-U.

The Bears' defense has great balance.  Good pass rush and run-stopping ability.  The young linebackers have quickly exceeded expectations.  And, the secondary is equally adept at run support and pass coverage.  Only weakness:  being left on the field too long in each half by a sputtering offense. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 28, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
Looks like next week's game between Case and Wash U. could decide it all.

If Case can win it, then I suspect that they'll take care of business against CMU, PARTICULARLY if CMU is as depleted as others say.

That said, even if Case wins the next two, and takes the UAA title, we need to do some work during the off-season on getting better.  There were some disappointing close losses this season, and some wins that were too close for comfort.  If we're ever going to get back in the NCAA playoff picture, then we're going to need to make some improvements.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 28, 2012, 09:25:10 PM
Case will look quite different next year.  On defense, 10 out of the top 11 tacklers are 'seniors', the center and quarterback (Olsen) are also seniors.
I am sure that coach Debs and the rest of the coaching staff are preparing themselves for a new group of starters and contributors.
I do agree that there were far more games close or outright losses than I expected.  We just need to take care of the UAA at this point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 30, 2012, 12:43:16 PM
I think that we can replace the center and QB.

But 10 of the 11 top tacklers on defense?

UGH!!!!!

Is that really true?

Geez.

If that's the case, then next season could turn out to be a MAJOR rebuilding year.  That's a lot of holes to fill.  I'd like to believe that we have talent and depth, and can simply reload as opposed to rebuild.  But in my heart of hearts, something tells me that we're going to have a difficult time improving on D next season.

Not sure how recruiting is coming along, but defense would definitely be my focus, if I were Coach D.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: casefldad on October 28, 2012, 09:25:10 PM
Case will look quite different next year.  On defense, 10 out of the top 11 tacklers are 'seniors', the center and quarterback (Olsen) are also seniors.
I am sure that coach Debs and the rest of the coaching staff are preparing themselves for a new group of starters and contributors.
I do agree that there were far more games close or outright losses than I expected.  We just need to take care of the UAA at this point.

The team as a whole is going to get young.  Right now there are 66 underclassmen (Fr/So) and 40 upperclassmen.  Of the 40 upperclassmen 20 will be gone next season.  If they bring in a similarly large freshman class next season there will be twice as many underclassmen as upperclassmen next season.

On defense the team is losing 11 seniors out of 47 total players.  There are currently 20 Jrs on the team but only 7 on defense.  Of those 7 more than half are DBs and NONE are LB.  There are currently 21 So. on the roster but only 5 on defense.  Of those only ONE is a LB. 

On offense the team is only losing 9 of 56 total players, a much smaller proportion.  Plus they are not losing as many key players on offense.

There is a great opportunity for the rather large freshman class to have an impact on defense next season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
The team as a whole is going to get young.  Right now there are 66 underclassmen (Fr/So) and 40 upperclassmen.  Of the 40 upperclassmen 20 will be gone next season.  If they bring in a similarly large freshman class next season there will be twice as many underclassmen as upperclassmen next season.

SpartanMom, I think you're new (so don't take the following as a "lecture" of sorts), but this is fairly typical on the Division III scene.  This is ESPECIALLY true at academically demanding schools, such as the UAA schools, when some kids realize that they're spending 15 hours a week on football that could be spent on a combination of homework and some semblance of a social life.  The attrition rate is high and there are always about twice as many freshman/sophomores as upperclassmen on most of the UAA rosters.

My freshman class had 47 players in camp our first year.  Eighteen of us were there on Senior Day, and that came during a generally successful time in program history (success leads to a higher retention rate, because it's just more fun when the team is winning and junior/senior benchwarmers are more likely stick it out all four years).  Imagine the attrition if we'd been 2-8 or 3-7 every year!  These numers were pretty typical of every senior class that I observed.  Freshman classes almost always ranged from 35-50 incoming recruits and senior classes generally had 15-20 there on Senior Day.  Many more were still at school but no longer played football.

Point being, every year it looks like the team will "get young" because there are 35-40 freshmen and 25-30 sophomores on the roster.  So this is pretty normal. 

However, your positional breakdown is particularly interesting.  The fact that 10 of the top 11 tacklers are seniors, combinded with your point that there are only 7 junior defensive players and none are LB's, does point to a very young defense next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 30, 2012, 12:43:16 PMNot sure how recruiting is coming along, but that would definitely be my focus, if I were Coach D.

Isn't that why there was a larger than average number of freshmen recruits this year?   It looks like there were only 26 freshmen on the roster last year, compared to 45 this season.  I used the 2011 media guide to estimate how many were on the roster last year.  It also looks like CWRU has a history of being able to replace key players on defense.  I am basing my opinion on the statements in the 2011 media guide. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
The team as a whole is going to get young.  Right now there are 66 underclassmen (Fr/So) and 40 upperclassmen.  Of the 40 upperclassmen 20 will be gone next season.  If they bring in a similarly large freshman class next season there will be twice as many underclassmen as upperclassmen next season.

SpartanMom, I think you're new (so don't take the following as a "lecture" of sorts), but this is fairly typical on the Division III scene.  This is ESPECIALLY true at academically demanding schools, such as the UAA schools, when some kids realize that they're spending 15 hours a week on football that could be spent on a combination of homework and some semblance of a social life.  The attrition rate is high and there are always about twice as many freshman/sophomores as upperclassmen on most of the UAA rosters.

My freshman class had 47 players in camp our first year.  Eighteen of us were there on Senior Day, and that came during a generally successful time in program history (success leads to a higher retention rate, because it's just more fun when the team is winning and junior/senior benchwarmers are more likely stick it out all four years).  Imagine the attrition if we'd been 2-8 or 3-7 every year!  These numers were pretty typical of every senior class that I observed.  Freshman classes almost always ranged from 35-50 incoming recruits and senior classes generally had 15-20 there on Senior Day.  Many more were still at school but no longer played football.

Point being, every year it looks like the team will "get young" because there are 35-40 freshmen and 25-30 sophomores on the roster.  So this is pretty normal. 

However, your positional breakdown is particularly interesting.  The fact that 10 of the top 11 tacklers are seniors, combinded with your point that there are only 7 junior defensive players and none are LB's, does point to a very young defense next year.

I played D3 soccer for one year at Alfred U (in a demanding engineering program).  I stopped playing for exactly the reasons you discuss above.  My grades really suffered and I wasn't having enough fun playing to make it worth it.  My coach did not respect that there were afternoon labs for engineering and science classes.  It wasn't worth it.  There were very few engineering majors who played four years of women's soccer when I was there although the vast majority of us did graduate in four years.

While it may be typical to have more frosh than upperclassmen it should be noted that in 2011 there were 29 recruits announced and I count around 30 freshmen on the 2010 roster.  This year there were 46 recruits announced.  That is a significantly larger number than previous years.

Can you tell I'm bored waiting for the refrigerator repair guy to come? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 30, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
SpartanMom,

One correction.  I should have said that DEFENSE should be the focus of recruiting for Coach D this off-season.  My post wasn't very clear.  So amended.

If I were Coach D, and I were capable of bringing in a 40+ person recruiting class, then I'd aim to make 28-30 of them defensive players.

I'd look for recruits with a nose for the football, and a controlled, but killer, instinct.

I didn't realize that we were so Senior heavy on Defense.  We may struggle to keep opponents out of the end zone next season, if that's the case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2012, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 30, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
SpartanMom,

One correction.  I should have said that DEFENSE should be the focus of recruiting for Coach D this off-season.  My post wasn't very clear.  So amended.

If I were Coach D, and I were capable of bringing in a 40+ person recruiting class, then I'd aim to make 28-30 of them defensive players.

I'd look for recruits with a nose for the football, and a controlled, but killer, instinct.

I didn't realize that we were so Senior heavy on Defense.  We may struggle to keep opponents out of the end zone next season, if that's the case.

There are 45 freshmen on the roster.  12 are LB.  I was surprised to note that there were so few So/Jr. LB on the roster. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2012, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on October 30, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
One correction.  I should have said that DEFENSE should be the focus of recruiting for Coach D this off-season.  My post wasn't very clear.  So amended.

If I were Coach D, and I were capable of bringing in a 40+ person recruiting class, then I'd aim to make 28-30 of them defensive players.

I'd look for recruits with a nose for the football, and a controlled, but killer, instinct.

I think I may have beaten this drum before, but I'll do so again...and I'll have to play the "recent former player" card again, so my apologies...but...I made recruiting phone calls as a work-study job, and I do have a pretty good idea how this works.

In Division I, you might prioritize certain positions because you can only bring in 25 guys per year, so you damn well better make all of them count. 

In Division III, you recruit every kid that can play & meets the admission requirements for your school.  You'll figure out what position to stick them at once they get to camp, and most likely you'll shift a few kids to the other side of the ball during camp if you're flooded with bodies at one position and short somewhere else.  But there's not really a quota at any position (other than making sure you bring at least one QB every year, if possible, and a K/P every few years).  Very little prioritizing offense or defense in the recruiting process in a given year.  You're casting a wide net and taking everybody you can get.

Another factor is that many Division III recruits come from smaller high schools and played both sides of the ball in HS anyway, so they aren't really an "offensive" recruit or a "defensive" recruit right away.  They can play either side.  So recruiting one side of the ball usually isn't a priority so much as just landing as many bodies as possible, hopefully with a couple real studs to lead the class.

One other thing worth pointing out: if you ARE going to target positions, you aren't going to recruit just where you're short RIGHT NOW, you have to recruit where you're going to need kids 1-2 years from now, not next year.  Impact freshmen are relatively rare.  There are individual cases, yes, but most deep Division III programs will not have more than 1-2 freshman starters in a given year, and often will have zero.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on October 30, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Spartan Mom isn't #99 a junior LB? I may be wrong about that but he has been getting some playing time and I expect he'll be a starter next year.

It's a great time to be young and aggressive. The defensive coaches there are very good and I am hopeful that they'll coach these young men up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 31, 2012, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: mustang on October 30, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Spartan Mom isn't #99 a junior LB? I may be wrong about that but he has been getting some playing time and I expect he'll be a starter next year.

It's a great time to be young and aggressive. The defensive coaches there are very good and I am hopeful that they'll coach these young men up.

Yes, Scott Campbell is a junior.  I must have missed him.  Oops. 

I don't like to talk about anything here that will get my son in trouble but I feel comfortable saying that he is very happy with the coaching he has been receiving.  I thought he would be upset about the lack of playing time but every time I talk to him he is excited about football, his team mates and the coaches. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 02, 2012, 02:32:52 PM
Hi everyone,

(if this isn't allowed here, I'm sorry, just remove it...no harm done)

I'm competing in a "Tough Mudder" adventure race next summer in memory of a slain police officer from my hometown to raise money for the Wounded Warrior Project.  The young man was 25 years old and good friends with some of my high school football teammates, one of whom was his partner on the police force.  If you can spare a minute and 5-10 bucks, I'd really appreciate it if you went to the following link and donated:

https://register.toughmudder.com/fundraising/donate.aspx?event=13400&fundraiser=r7166109

Many thanks,
XTP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 02, 2012, 07:57:41 PM
We're getting ahead of ourselves a bit here.

Focus on winning out.

That said, since seniors will be recognized this week, I've been told not to assume that Olson, Fioramonti, Scott, and Roby won't make use of their extra year's eligibility just because they are recognized.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
... The four years I have been here. Y'all have gotten ahead of yourselves.  Play a stronger pre conference schedule and the you will be better prepared for both conference and post season .... Bears Win!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on November 03, 2012, 04:29:03 PM
That was a humble comment....Solid win by WashU, but not a thrashing by any means... And, WashU lost the game against Case last year, so how did playing 'stronger' teams help them there?
Case has been inconsistent most of the year and the offense could not get going.
Congrats to WashU.  We'll see what happens next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
... The four years I have been here. Y'all have gotten ahead of yourselves.  Play a stronger pre conference schedule and the you will be better prepared for both conference and post season .... Bears Win!!!

Wittenberg was on this season's schedule (as well as Oberlin that just beat Wabash).

Next season has Linfield and Trinity (okay Trinity is down this year).

I don't think anyone took WUStL for granted, but take away the one big play and maybe it's a different outcome.

Remind me when the Bears made the post season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
How did the playoffs go for Case Last year
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:54:51 PM
I guess as well as this year
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:56:08 PM
Or how deep has Case gone in the playoffs
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:56:08 PM
Or how deep has Case gone in the playoffs

As deep as any UAA team (the other would be CMU), second round.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 05:45:33 PM
... Yep. How many UAA championships  y'all one.  Sheesh
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on November 03, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
I'm relatively new to this site and this is the first time that I have seen comments that really have no value and seem to be measuring one team's value (WashU) by the failures of another (Case), when in reality neither team (apparently) has progressed very far in playoffs in the past.
Although Case has not had a great year so far, I'm very proud of the team and their efforts.  I also recognize that WashU won and deserved to win today's game.  We still have one game to play and I plan to be around for a couple of more years so wel'll see how Case's record compares to WashU.
Meanwhile, belittling either team should have no place in here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2012, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 05:45:33 PM
... Yep. How many UAA championships  y'all one.  Sheesh

Your team won (not one) the game.  Congratulations.  I also congratulated the Bears on their effort against Whitewater

Now if you have nothing positive to say, crawl back into the hole you've been in since August 25.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
Trololololol. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
Yep we played Wabash,Coe and Whitewater his year
Wabash Witt. Last year and the year before.   Correct grammar if you wish.   This year we played   the Third hardest schedule.   What was Case's schedule ranked.   Again the strength of schedule is probably why Case did not make the playoffs last year. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Associationnnse
Post by: jaybird44 on November 03, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
Strength of schedule helps somewhat, but it doesn't make plays to help a team win.  WashU has benefitted from the return of DE Nelson Nwumeh, the emergence of QB Eric Daginella, and PK Alex Hallwachs' strong leg.

Certainly it takes more than 3 players to win games, but Nwumeh has had a ripple effect on the defense, allowing it to get off the field more often.  Daginella's performance has helped even out the season-long time-of-possession deficit, and Hallwachs has allowed the offense to get some points instead of trying to convert difficult 4th down situations.

In the Bears' 3-game winning streak, the contributions of those 3 players trump the team's strength of schedule.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 04, 2012, 05:43:47 AM
Gang,

This appears to be the latest in a long line of disappointments this season.  I hope that we can at least salvage a winning record and win the Academic Bowl.

I'm now VERY worried about next year.  Between losing our starting QB and virtually our entire defense, there isn't a heck of a lot to build upon. 

On another note.................

Congrats to Oberlin...................easily the upset of the year.  In fact, this may be the biggest win in their program's history as a Division III competitor.

We can now look back upon that game as our "marquee" win of the year.

I'm now VERY worried about our nearly three decade long win streak against Oberlin ending next year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2012, 02:24:07 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
Trololololol.

Don't know why you're trolling here, Dad. If you've read the board at all in your time since you got here you'd know we don't do that around here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 05, 2012, 07:24:04 AM



Quote from: casefldad on November 03, 2012, 04:29:03 PM
That was a humble comment....Solid win by WashU, but not a thrashing by any means... And, WashU lost the game against Case last year, so how did playing 'stronger' teams help them there?

How was my initial statement trolling .. I was stating that Wash U's schedule has consistently been harder that Case's.  casefldad brought up the game last year.

And how was this belittling teams here.  I merely replied to the Case fan's. It seemed to me that they were the ones that were trying to belittle my replies by bringing up our records  and trying to troll. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 10:25:01 AM
How about the other five or six comments you posted, though?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 05, 2012, 06:49:04 PM
Just getting in the last word... I wasn't the one questioning records.  I am sorry I have upset the Case forum  errr UAA forum... or you.... By my comments....

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 05, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 03, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
... The four years I have been here. Y'all have gotten ahead of yourselves.  Play a stronger pre conference schedule and the you will be better prepared for both conference and post season .... Bears Win!!!

Wittenberg was on this season's schedule (as well as Oberlin that just beat Wabash).

Next season has Linfield and Trinity (okay Trinity is down this year).

I don't think anyone took WUStL for granted, but take away the one big play and maybe it's a different outcome.

Remind me when the Bears made the post season.


My next posts were directed here....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on November 06, 2012, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 03, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 03, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
... The four years I have been here. Y'all have gotten ahead of yourselves.  Play a stronger pre conference schedule and the you will be better prepared for both conference and post season .... Bears Win!!!

Wittenberg was on this season's schedule (as well as Oberlin that just beat Wabash).

Next season has Linfield and Trinity (okay Trinity is down this year).

Looking forward to the trip and seeing another part of the the DIII landscape.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 07, 2012, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 05, 2012, 06:49:04 PM
Just getting in the last word... I wasn't the one questioning records.  I am sorry I have upset the Case forum  errr UAA forum... or you.... By my comments....

WashUDad, if you really need someone to point out how much of a tool you came off like in that series of posts, there is little hope for you to contribute anything meaningful here.

Yes, WashU has played the toughest nonconference schedule over the last few years.  Great.  It hasn't exactly translated into a boatload full of conference titles and playoff berths.  The four UAA schools have competed RELATIVELY equally against one another since my affiliation with UAA football began (2004), each school was won at least one conference title during that span, and a few teams have probably stood out as the "best" that the UAA has produced (2006 CMU and 2007-09 CWRU). 

WashU has generally put a consistently "decent" team on the field and has scored a few nice wins during that time, but they have not advanced to the playoffs once, while Case Western and Carnegie Mellon both have (and both teams validated their inclusion by winning at least one playoff game).  Asking how many conference titles that Case has "one" or how deep they've gone in the playoffs seems a touch silly when CWRU is clearly ahead of WashU by both of those metrics over the past decade.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 08, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Gang,

I just wanted to mention that SIX of eight UAA schools made Lumosity's list of the Top 50 "smartest" colleges, with five in the Top 25.

http://blog.lumosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lumositys-Smartest-Colleges.pdf (http://blog.lumosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lumositys-Smartest-Colleges.pdf)

#7: Washington U: St. Louis
#16: Chicago
#17: Carnegie-Mellon
#21: Emory
#24: Case Western Reserve
#31: Rochester

This simply adds to the notion that the University Athletic Association is indeed the "Ivy League" of NCAA Division III.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
XTP--Check your PM.

Spartans and Tartans meet hoping to get help from Chicago for a share of the title.

CMU got Blanks back last week (injured for losses to OWU and WUStL), meanwhile CWRU will want to win one for Billy Deitmen and may be as healthy as they have been in several games.  I think it will be a close game, but if it turns out to be a shoot-out CWRU may be bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 10, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
Good game for the offense to end the season on a positive note.  Amazing how many close games there were this year.  The 4 losses were by an average of 2.75 points, with the biggest loss being by 4 to Wittenberg.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on November 10, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Great victory!  Great way to end the season.......  Except for a couple of errors, Case controlled the game....
Emotional tribute to Billy D....
Enjoyed the season....  Can't wait for next year....
Good luck to all that participated here...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 10, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
True, Jeff. Shows how thin the line can be between "good" and "really good" teams at this level (reserving the "great" label for teams another level up such as Mount).  My junior and senior year, statistically, the teams were very similar. Junior year was the undefeated playoff team; senior year we finished 6-4 with losses by 1 (missed go ahead 2 point attempt with 1 minute to go), 6, 4, and 3 (and this was an OT loss to CWRU that ultimately decided the UAA that season). There wasn't a huge difference in last year's 8-2 CWRU and this year's 6-4 team other than a few timely kicks and turnovers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 10, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
Spartans were 9-1 last season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 10, 2012, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 10, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
Spartans were 9-1 last season.

Ach, you're right, I knew that. Brain cramp.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 11, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
Congatulations to Washington's Bears winnng their first UAA title since their string of four straight from 2001 thru 2004.

A measure of redemption for the Spartans in a season where if something could go wrong it usually did.  Kalkstein's receivers did him no favors, as a number of catchable balls went imcomplete.  CMU was 1 of 8 on third down and held to 47 net yards rushing.


Crucial injuries hurt. While the D played great, they did not come up with the number of turnovers they have in years past.  The offfense was inconsistent and kicking game miscues made the difference in a couple of games.  Not sure if there is a stat kept for most kick blocks, but if there is, the Spartans' 11 would likely threaten the season total blocks record.  Individually Watson was credited with 5 and LaFleur 3.

Next season the defense must be almost completely rebuilt, since only two or three starters will return.  All UAA RT Cullen Dolan will be the big loss on offense.  But the schedule takes a quantum leap up with games with Linfield and Trinity (nothing official on the tenth game, but Westminster would seem to fit for week six)

For the numerologists, yesterdays stats show Spartans with 242 net rushing, 242 net passing, and 24.2 punting average.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 11, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 11, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
242 net rushing

Nice!

Quote from: ADL70 on November 11, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
242 net passing

Great!

Quote from: ADL70 on November 11, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
24.2 punting average.

Buzz kill.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on November 11, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
Certainly a season of "what ifs" for the Spartans.

Bottom line is this team did not play to it's potential but there were enough bright spots to ease the pain. Nice win with both sides of the ball and special teams contributing to a victory over a solid opponent. I have to wonder if the CMU running back was not quite 100%, although the Spartan defense has been stout against the run all year.

While my time as a Spartan football parent is through I look forward to keeping up with the team in the future. I wish all players and parents much success on the field and more importantly, in the classroom.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 13, 2012, 03:55:59 PM
CMU will be traveling to Waynesburg for ECAC Southwest Bowl.  I got to play in one of these games as a senior, and while it seems a little tacky for non-playoff teams to play that one bonus game, I have to say that it was very memorable for the seniors to get to play one more game and go out on a high note (ours was particularly special, a come-from-behind 21-20 win that required a touchdown on fourth-and-goal in the last 2 minutes).  Hopefully the Tartans will show up to play and score a quality nonconference win for the UAA.  Let's Go Tartans!

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20121112x5w712
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on November 14, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
Tha is a nice thing that the ECAC does. I belive it has 7 post season bowls.

Are there any other post season bowls for D3 not counting these and the Stagg.
Go Tartans!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
There aren't -- the ECAC is an umbrella organization for east coast schools. About 15 years ago I heard talk of a desire to do a similar one in the Great Lakes general area, but it never went anywhere.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2012, 04:14:33 PM
I wonder if when CWRU is a PAC football affiliate it would be eligible for the ECACs.  Or do you have to be east of Ohio?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
I don't know the rules for ECAC membership but I don't know if you'd want to self-transport all the way to Philadelphia for a potential ECAC game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
I don't know the rules for ECAC membership but I don't know if you'd want to self-transport all the way to Philadelphia for a potential ECAC game.

Good question.  PAC member Thomas More didn't participate (this year was probably the only year they were eligible in the PAC and not playing a post season game).  I'm not sure if they weren't invited because Waynesburg had a better record and beat TMC early on in the season or because they weren't eligible for it geographically.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
I don't know the rules for ECAC membership but I don't know if you'd want to self-transport all the way to Philadelphia for a potential ECAC game.

Good question.  PAC member Thomas More didn't participate (this year was probably the only year they were eligible in the PAC and not playing a post season game).  I'm not sure if they weren't invited because Waynesburg had a better record and beat TMC early on in the season or because they weren't eligible for it geographically.

Checked the ECAC site; neither Thomas More, Thiel, nor Westminster are ECAC members.  I couldn't find any reference to a geographic qualification for membership.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on November 16, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
As pe ther website they go as far west as Illinois
QuoteThe Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) is the nation's largest athletic conference and only multi-divisional conference, with approximately 300 member institutions ranging across 16 states from Maine to North Carolina and westerly to Illinois.  Established in 1938 with 58 charter members, the ECAC has since emerged as the nationwide leader in service.  Click on the links to the right for alphabetical listing of the membership by division.

In D3 they go as far west as Steubenville Ohio with Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 17, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Waynesburg 28, CMU 24. Pretty exciting game.

Playoff games coming out about as expected, but there were a few surprisingly close games. Our pseudo-conference-rival Wittenberg played a whale of a game against Heidelberg.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 19, 2012, 08:36:44 AM
Gang,

Not sure this is the right forum, but it might be worth mentioning.

CWRU is apparently a new Division III men's swimming super-power.  Currently ranked #6 in the nation, the Spartans beat a Division II school this weekend, crushed Division III Grove City, and tied Kenyon, the almost perennial DIII national champion in the sport.

GO SPARTANS!!!

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mswimdive/2012-13/releases/20121117cd1pce (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mswimdive/2012-13/releases/20121117cd1pce)

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on November 19, 2012, 10:00:07 PM
That's great!  Is a dual match the same as it is in wrestling where the teams compete head to head in every event?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 20, 2012, 09:53:32 AM
My understanding is yes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 23, 2012, 01:47:47 PM
Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. And congrats to all of the UAA All Conference selections.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 05, 2012, 12:58:14 PM
Gang,

Check this out!  CWRU may soon have one of the best training facilities in all of Division III, thanks in no small part to a donation from the Belichik family, one of the "first families" of football coaching!

http://cwru-daily.com/news/bill-belichick-donation-to-case-western-reserve-university-honors-late-father/ (http://cwru-daily.com/news/bill-belichick-donation-to-case-western-reserve-university-honors-late-father/)

Steve Belichik was a starting fullback on the 1940 Western Reserve University Red Cat football team that went on to defeat Arizona State in the 1941 Sun Bowl............the ONLY bowl appearance by any school affiliated with modern-day Case Western Reserve University.  In those days, Western Reserve and Case were both technically "big time" programs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on December 05, 2012, 01:26:09 PM
Wow  Congrats. I always liked your current facility.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 05, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
Good news for Case.  Very cool.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 11, 2012, 09:55:43 PM
Congats to the UAA'a All-Region selections:

North 2nd
UChi TE Brandon Meckelberg
North 3rd
CWRU DE Adam Watson
South 2nd
CMU G Nathan Cheek
       CB Sam Thompson
South 3rd
WU CB Andrew Skalman

The other good news out of Cleveland is Coach Debeljak isn't going to coach John Carroll.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on January 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Looking forward to getting out to CWU this fall.  Should be a fun match-up.

Go 'Cats! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8igy-zDwV0)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 28, 2013, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Looking forward to getting out to CWU this fall.  Should be a fun match-up.

Go 'Cats! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8igy-zDwV0)

RU?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on January 29, 2013, 07:09:38 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Looking forward to getting out to CWU this fall.  Should be a fun match-up.

Go 'Cats! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8igy-zDwV0)

Agreed. I understand why most D3 schools can't afford games across the country, but it is kinda fun when you play a team from TOTALLY outside your region. Our games with Colorado and Millsaps were fun because we played SUCH different styles on both sides of the ball. I expect Linfield to be the more talented side, but hopefully CWRU will muster enough to give them a game!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on January 29, 2013, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 29, 2013, 07:09:38 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Looking forward to getting out to CWU this fall.  Should be a fun match-up.

Go 'Cats! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8igy-zDwV0)

Agreed. I understand why most D3 schools can't afford games across the country, but it is kinda fun when you play a team from TOTALLY outside your region. Our games with Colorado and Millsaps were fun because we played SUCH different styles on both sides of the ball. I expect Linfield to be the more talented side, but hopefully CWRU will muster enough to give them a game!

100% agree with that.  It's a blast to play someone you've never seen before and it's a reason to go to another part of the country.  I'm looking forward to making the trip.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on January 30, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Looking forward to getting out to CWU this fall.  Should be a fun match-up.

Go 'Cats! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8igy-zDwV0)
I'm going to be in the area about that time.  Maybe I can arrange my schedule to get to this game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 02, 2013, 04:17:00 PM
2013 Schedules

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Pages/schedule.aspx

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/schedule

Nothing yet from UChi.

CWRU needed games w/no return,hence Linfield and Puget Sound who will fill the date with George Fox in 2014.  Meanwhile Trinity had to fill its schedule playing Austin and Southwestern twice each.  Spartans still have a home date to fill 10/5 or 12.

WUStL has Coe and Whitewater again and plus future SAA foes.

CMU has future PAC foes and FCS-NS start up Mercer.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 07, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
Gang,

Just to give my fellow Spartan fans an update.

I get promoted on May 1st.  When that happens, my username will change from JagranSpartan to DagermanSpartan, to recognize the jump in rank from Major ("Jagran" in Afghan Persian and Pashto) to Lieutenant Colonel ("Dagerman" in those two languages).

I am currently finishing the Combat Advisor's Course at Fort Polk, and in late May, will begin four more months of Dari (Afghan Persian) language training.  In October, I should begin a ten month deployment to Afghanistan, my second to that theater, and fourth overall wartime deployment since 9/11.

Concerning Spartan athletics, I too am REALLY looking forward to next season's "national" schedule.  Oh don't get me wrong.  The UAA teams, the PAC teams we'll begin playing next season, and the NCAC and other local teams that we play are fine.  But playing a schedule like next year's, which will include teams from regions as varied as TX (Trinity) and OR (Linfield), will be truly a once in a lifetime opportunity.  It's almost a "Notre Dame" type schedule (in Division I, ND is famous for being an independent and scheduling teams from all across the country).

I sure hope that our talent supply is up to the challenge!  Last season was disappointing in certain respects, and I hope that we can rebound!

Also, keep an eye on Spartan baseball.  They won the UAA title already, have won 5 straight, and are now 14-6 on the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 07, 2013, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on April 07, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
Gang,

Just to give my fellow Spartan fans an update.

I get promoted on May 1st.  When that happens, my username will change from JagranSpartan to DagermanSpartan, to recognize the jump in rank from Major ("Jagran" in Afghan Persian and Pashto) to Lieutenant Colonel ("Dagerman" in those two languages).

I am currently finishing the Combat Advisor's Course at Fort Polk, and in late May, will begin four more months of Dari (Afghan Persian) language training.  In October, I should begin a ten month deployment to Afghanistan, my second to that theater, and fourth overall wartime deployment since 9/11.

Concerning Spartan athletics, I too am REALLY looking forward to next season's "national" schedule.  Oh don't get me wrong.  The UAA teams, the PAC teams we'll begin playing next season, and the NCAC and other local teams that we play are fine.  But playing a schedule like next year's, which will include teams from regions as varied as TX (Trinity) and OR (Linfield), will be truly a once in a lifetime opportunity.  It's almost a "Notre Dame" type schedule (in Division I, ND is famous for being an independent and scheduling teams from all across the country).

I sure hope that our talent supply is up to the challenge!  Last season was disappointing in certain respects, and I hope that we can rebound!

Also, keep an eye on Spartan baseball.  They won the UAA title already, have won 5 straight, and are now 14-6 on the season.

Congratulations on the promotion!!!

Likewise, I agree that playing a "national" schedule is pretty cool for a Division III program, although admittedly not always practical or sensible from the budgetary side, but I think playing 1-2 "travel" games per year is great if you can swing it. I always thought it was really cool that we played so many different teams while I was at CMU (I counted once, I think we played 20 different teams in my four years, which doesn't sound like a lot until you realize that some teams in larger conferences may play the same nine conference games every year & this end up playing maybe 12-13 different teams in a four year span).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 16, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
ADL70,

Out of curiosity, who do you foresee (barring new recruits/transfers, of course) stepping up as next season's starting QB?

Also, do you think that we'll be improved over last season?  Last season, all four of our losses came by 4 pts. or less.  We were THIS CLOSE to being undefeated.

Did we lose too much to make it over the hump this year, or do we have a chance to be improved?  Please let me know!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 19, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
Congrats LTC 2B

I have no insider info.  Usually by now the CWRU site has posted a Spring roster, but no update yet since last Fall.

Oslon at QB and Fioramonti at OLB potentially have another year of eligibility.

Beecher would seem to be heir apparent at QB, if Olson doesn't came back (might be a battle if he does).  Beecher is a better runner than passer.  Three OL starters should return (Abbot and Hartig were All-UAA) and a fourth, McDonald, also saw a lot of snaps.  RB, WR, and TE have a lot of depth returning.

If Fioramonti doesn't come back there will only be two returning starters on D (DE Bryant and FS Banky).  Williams saw a lot of action at DT, but beyond that little backup experience returns.

Only 9 games, but 6-3 might be the best we can look for.  Only potential breather would be Puget Sound.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on April 26, 2013, 04:15:38 AM
Looks like Calabrese really tore it up in the Ohio-Michigan Senior Bowl.  Led the team in tackles (7), INT return of 24 yards, and a fumble recovery.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/Senior_Bowl_Final_Stats.pdf

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130305ajjue4

GAME SUMMARY: http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/042213aaa.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on April 27, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on April 07, 2013, 06:53:34 AMI get promoted on May 1st.  When that happens, my username will change from JagranSpartan to DagermanSpartan, to recognize the jump in rank from Major ("Jagran" in Afghan Persian and Pashto) to Lieutenant Colonel ("Dagerman" in those two languages).

I am currently finishing the Combat Advisor's Course at Fort Polk, and in late May, will begin four more months of Dari (Afghan Persian) language training.  In October, I should begin a ten month deployment to Afghanistan, my second to that theater, and fourth overall wartime deployment since 9/11.

Congratulations on your promotion and thank you for your service.  Before enrolling at CWRU my son had received an appointment to the Naval Academy.  He was not able to attend as he got sick during his senior year and was medically disqualified.  Since his medical disqualification was not permanent he still hopes for a career in the Navy.

So far he has been happy at CWRU and looks forward to his sophomore season.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2013, 11:43:48 AM
SpartanMom,

Thanks!

I hope that your son does consider a military career.  He can still go to Naval OCS after he graduates, if he wishes.

Or, alternately, he could get involved in Army ROTC right there on campus if he wishes.  I highly recommend it!  Of course, when it comes to branches of service, I'm biased.

  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2013, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2013, 11:43:48 AM
SpartanMom,

Thanks!

I hope that your son does consider a military career.  He can still go to Naval OCS after he graduates, if he wishes.

Or, alternately, he could get involved in Army ROTC right there on campus if he wishes.  I highly recommend it!  Of course, when it comes to branches of service, I'm biased.

  ;)

I think he would be most interested in the Navy/Marines.  He applied to USNA and five civilian schools.  Our congressional rep told him that West Point had him ranked very high but he told me that he didn't want to go there because he didn't want to be in the Army.  I think he would have considered the AF but I think his illness might permanently prevent him from being a pilot even though it will not permanently prevent him from military service.

Personally, I would love to see him as a Marine.  I think he is well suited to the military.  But right now all he is concerned about is getting on the field next season.  So far it is looking good for him but we will know more when he gets back to Cleveland in August.  I am looking forward to his arrival tonight.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 11, 2013, 03:27:31 PM
47 new Tartans

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130502i8he6i

26 new Maroons

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2012-13/FB-incoming-players-04192013.htm


I'm told we should see the new Spartans in about a week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 17, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
I realize that this isn't football, but I gotta give a "shout out" to the CWRU Spartans baseball team, which eliminated #2 ranked St. Thomas (Minn) in the Midwest Regional.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on May 18, 2013, 01:21:09 AM
Thanks to Case Western I now know about the UAA.
What a busy Athletic Director!

I want to thank CW for hosting LINFIELD in a necessary D3 game.
(I see The NWC offers up Puget Sound the next weekend for a little softer chewing.)

Some of us hope to show up and meet you -  but then, that's a few miles down the road.

Here is something to chew on for the summer....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)


and that's my sense of humor
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on May 18, 2013, 06:22:07 PM
Any ideas as to why Case's list of recruits has not yet been posted? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 19, 2013, 07:49:27 AM
Pretty sure the SI office has been busy with baseball.   :)

From what I was told by the SID ten days ago, I suspect it will be posted this week.

Do you know of any Florida recruits? 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on May 19, 2013, 04:21:25 PM
None for football.  There is another Belen Jesuit registering but he plays basketball.  Looking forward to how we did recruiting 'big men'.......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 23, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130522fdywnv
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on May 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 23, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130522fdywnv

One kid from Hawaii to Ohio and is undecided. Must have been one helluva pitch.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 23, 2013, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on May 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 23, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130522fdywnv

One kid from Hawaii to Ohio and is undecided. Must have been one helluva pitch.

He's undecided about his major, because their are so many great choices.

Is 6'4 330 Pete Wenderski (and doesn't look fat) big enough for fldad?

I also like Nate Lewis (6'4 250) who was 2nd team District

Dante Capicchioni (5'11 240) isn't big, but is a national champion powerlifter and his highlights on youtube had far and away the most views of any other CWRU recruit.

While 29 isn't a big class, it is skewed toward defense which is the biggest need.

Now we just need to see which upperclassmen are returning.

In other news, Chicago's HC Dick Maloney just announced that he is retiring at the end of June.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on May 23, 2013, 10:44:48 PM
Not a large group of freshmen but some big guys...we certainly need them...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 28, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 23, 2013, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on May 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 23, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130522fdywnv

One kid from Hawaii to Ohio and is undecided. Must have been one helluva pitch.

He's undecided about his major, because their are so many great choices.

Is 6'4 330 Pete Wenderski (and doesn't look fat) big enough for fldad?

I also like Nate Lewis (6'4 250) who was 2nd team District

Dante Capicchioni (5'11 240) isn't big, but is a national champion powerlifter and his highlights on youtube had far and away the most views of any other CWRU recruit.

While 29 isn't a big class, it is skewed toward defense which is the biggest need.

Now we just need to see which upperclassmen are returning.

In other news, Chicago's HC Dick Maloney just announced that he is retiring at the end of June.

Tough time to announce that the coach is retiring, sadly, it makes me wonder if perhaps there are health concerns...otherwise why wait until this late in the game?  They will presumably have to name a coordinator as the interim coach for this season and then reevaluate later...

29 recruits isn't a huge class but IMO it's "enough" if a) there are at least half a dozen quality players and b) it's bookended by a couple of bigger classes.  Certainly this is not a hard-and-fast rule, but I think that a "normal" Division III program should try to bring in 35-40 per year, allowing for some year-to-year variation, but that's the average I'd want to shoot for knowing that injuries, academics, and "this is harder than I thought it would be" will eventually knock out about half the incoming recruits in any given class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 28, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Around 30 has been the norm for CWRU recruiting classes.  There have only been a couple of recent classes that were larger.  I hope there are more like a dozen quality players.

Oberlin has managed to be competitive in NCAC with far smaller recruiting classes.

Update:

WUStL updated roster  28 frosh

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/SPORTS/FOOTBALL/Pages/roster.aspx
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 28, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Oberlin has managed to be competitive in NCAC with far smaller recruiting classes.

I think Oberlin's a bit of an anomaly in this respect, and a case study worth examining that IMO actually illustrates the near-impossibility of being "good" with such small recruiting classes.

First, let's be realistic: Oberlin has won a combined 11 games in the past three seasons (and was actually worse before that).  There's more to evaluating a team's quality than the record, and there have been a few very impressive performances - beating Wabash last year, pushing Wabash hard in 2011, and a number of "competitive losses" in 2010 - but still...they didn't even crack .500 once (although I think they had a chance in 2012 with a healthy Mandel, see below).

I don't mean this as a slight, moreso as a compliment: I can't imagine a team doing any better than Oberlin has in the past three seasons with such a small roster, and yet even with that said they have only managed an 11-19 record with one high-quality win (2012 Wabash) and a few other "competitive losses" against decent teams.

Second, I think a significant portion of Oberlin's modicum of success over the last few years can be attributed to a couple of outstanding players (Mandel and Witjes).  I would love to know what 2012 Oberlin could have done with a healthy Mandel all season; they were 4-3 in games that he started and lost all three games where he was out, games that might have been winnable with him in the lineup, especially seeing how well Oberlin played when he returned. 

IMO, that alone makes the argument about how difficult it is to compete with such small recruiting classes: a deeper team might have been able to withstand an injury or two, but Oberlin's hopes essentially went out the window with one injury, albeit the most important player on the roster.  They went from "the team that could compete with Wabash and OWU" (two of the NCAC's three best teams last year) to "the team that lost by double digits to Chicago, Allegheny, and Kenyon" (all of whom were decent, but not on the level of Wabash and OWU).

Am I impressed with what Oberlin has done being so undermanned?  ABSOLUTELY.  But I actually think it shows how difficult/impossible it is to compete adequately without a larger recruiting class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 29, 2013, 11:22:07 AM
I wasn't disagreeing XTP.  In fact, I brought up Oberlin's performance to agree that "half a dozen quality players" can be "enough."  But as I hoped for CWRU, a dozen or so would be necessary to reach the second tier of DIII.  And by competitive, I didn't mean they were contending for the conference championship.  And yes, they are an anomaly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 29, 2013, 11:22:07 AM
I wasn't disagreeing XTP.  In fact, I brought up Oberlin's performance to agree that "half a dozen quality players" can be "enough."  But as I hoped for CWRU, a dozen or so would be necessary to reach the second tier of DIII.  And by competitive, I didn't mean they were contending for the conference championship.  And yes, they are an anomaly.

I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on May 29, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
I totally agree with EXTARTAN about recruiting classes and success, if success is measured in wins and losses.  I have seen Oberlin every year recently--that is for a decade or more.  They have always struggled with roster numbers, and they have always had a few players practically anyone would want on his roster.  The point about Mandel and Witjes is well made.  I'd add Clay Eaton to that duo.  He was a terrific defensive end.  And in 2012 Oberlin was a senior-dominated team; lots of experience.  They lose a  big number of outstanding contributors.  The final factor in their ability to be competitive more often than not is the qulaity of the coaching they receive.  I think their head coach is top notch and does more with less over time than Oberlin has a right to expect.
      I saw Oberlin defeat Wabash last fall; it was no fluke.  Wabash made a few mistakes, but it was more a matter of Oberlin's intensity, excellent play calling, and senior talent taking advantage of the situation that was presented.  With the loss of so many seniors it will be interesting to watch how they do this fall.  A quick look at the possible returning roster should raise doubts, yet they always seem to find a way to win a few games or stay close.  On the other hand, several times a year recently the lack of depth did show up.  You take in a recruited group of 20 to 25, and that group begins to shrink fast:  several find out they cannot compete; several find other interests that trump football; several are injured.  That group of 20-25 (sometimes less with Oberlin and Kenyon) can become a contributing group of one-third of that.  You can't miss on players, and DIII always misses on players or gets players who think they are better than they turn out to be.  So, Oberlin in 2012 was led by a special group of seniors, maybe a group not likely to be matched soon.  (Oberlin players and coaches will disagree, understandably.)  All that said, even 4-6 last year must be looked at as a "success," especially with the win at Wabash--and that team (good point about Mandel's injury probaly keeping the Yoemen from a better record) was below .500.
     I've always wondered, and I think I know the answer, whether Oberlin tolerates football rather than embracing it, and so a lot of players, even those with the high academic ability Oberlin insists upon, look elsewhere.  There has always been a  question in my mind about how successful a high-quality--I mean really high-quality--college can consistently be in football--I'm talking national (not some regional best colleges list) ranking here among liberal arts and other DIII institutions.  I wish we could know how the best of NESCAC would fare v. the top 25 DIII final poll teams.  Any discussion about that has to be, um, academic. 
     
     
     
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 30, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: sigma one on May 29, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
The final factor in their ability to be competitive more often than not is the qulaity of the coaching they receive.  I think their head coach is top notch and does more with less over time than Oberlin has a right to expect.   

This point really can not be understated.  I'm not sure there are a dozen guys in D-III that can get what Jeff Ramsey gets out of his 40-ish man roster each and every year.  Honestly.  Last year Oberlin had 46 student-athletes on the roster.  That's what they started with; that's not at all what they had when they laid out Wabash in C'ville.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 30, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
sigma one:
This is somewhat tangential to your conversation, however, since you brought up the subject, I thought I would jump in to add some comments.  Also, as a disclaimer here, I am not intending this as a "dis" against those I am talking about, but rather just simply sharing my own personal opinion and views.

Anyway, you mentioned wishing that we could know how the NESCAC (or at least the best teams of that league) would fare against the top tier DIII teams (as well as keeping the discussion in an "academic" tone, so to speak ::) ;)).  Unfortunately, other than an occasional non-conference game (if those are ever scheduled), we probably will never know.  I have never understood, nor ever will, why they refuse to allow their football teams to participate in the post-season playoffs, nor for that matter, the Ivy Group schools either.  Of course, it is associated with the "academics" aspect they and their supporters will tell you as they have, yet, again, it makes no sense to me and, IMO, there is really no legit reason why they shouldn't be participating in the post-season.  Yet, their current policy is what they desire to do and that is fine, it is their choice and I accept that.

Yet, one can also legitimately say that, at least in the case of the Ivy Group, such policy is hypocritical because they allow all their other sports to participate in the NCAA Championships, so why not football.  The chance of prolonged extra weeks for that is minimal, but even if one of their teams went on to the final, it certainly wouldn't be any much longer than what Yale did this year in winning the national championship in hockey- which was great (and, of course, not to forget the occasional great showings that Ivy schools have done in the March Madness over the years, more recently Harvard and Princeton several years ago which was great (wasn't that latter one were they did the "slow-down" tactics that eventually led to the 30 second clock?).  Wouldn't it be great to see Harvard or Yale or Penn, etc., in the FCS playoff mix and one of the NESCAC teams in the DIII play-offs? But again, we won't most likely ever see that - such has all the chances as a "snowball in h___!" :o ::) ;D ;) :)

Anyway, good overall discussion you guys have been having.
   

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 30, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).

Isn't the real difficulty in college that the coaches have to recruit HS players for their 2013 squad when they don't really know how their 2012 recruits will ultimately perform?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 30, 2013, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 30, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).

Isn't the real difficulty in college that the coaches have to recruit HS players for their 2013 squad when they don't really know how their 2012 recruits will ultimately perform?

Or even know which players from 2012 will return in 2013.  But unlike the scholarship divisions, D3 coaches don't have to deal with scholarship limits.  Can you ever have enough quality players?

Can someone with experience in DIII recruiting say when coaches start to recruit for the following class?  How much are they looking at 2014 right now?  I know seniors-to-be are sending highlights to coaches.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on May 31, 2013, 12:35:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 30, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
sigma one:
This is somewhat tangential to your conversation, however, since you brought up the subject, I thought I would jump in to add some comments.  Also, as a disclaimer here, I am not intending this as a "dis" against those I am talking about, but rather just simply sharing my own personal opinion and views.

Anyway, you mentioned wishing that we could know how the NESCAC (or at least the best teams of that league) would fare against the top tier DIII teams (as well as keeping the discussion in an "academic" tone, so to speak ::) ;)).  Unfortunately, other than an occasional non-conference game (if those are ever scheduled), we probably will never know.  I have never understood, nor ever will, why they refuse to allow their football teams to participate in the post-season playoffs, nor for that matter, the Ivy Group schools either.  Of course, it is associated with the "academics" aspect they and their supporters will tell you as they have, yet, again, it makes no sense to me and, IMO, there is really no legit reason why they shouldn't be participating in the post-season.  Yet, their current policy is what they desire to do and that is fine, it is their choice and I accept that.

Yet, one can also legitimately say that, at least in the case of the Ivy Group, such policy is hypocritical because they allow all their other sports to participate in the NCAA Championships, so why not football.  The chance of prolonged extra weeks for that is minimal, but even if one of their teams went on to the final, it certainly wouldn't be any much longer than what Yale did this year in winning the national championship in hockey- which was great (and, of course, not to forget the occasional great showings that Ivy schools have done in the March Madness over the years, more recently Harvard and Princeton several years ago which was great (wasn't that latter one were they did the "slow-down" tactics that eventually led to the 30 second clock?).  Wouldn't it be great to see Harvard or Yale or Penn, etc., in the FCS playoff mix and one of the NESCAC teams in the DIII play-offs? But again, we won't most likely ever see that - such has all the chances as a "snowball in h___!" :o ::) ;D ;) :)

Anyway, good overall discussion you guys have been having.


db,

I have a son that plays in the Ivy league and I can tell you that every coach, player and parent is in favor of post season participation for football, however the school presidents have to this point have been against it. They have been insisting that a 10 game schedule is all that will be allowed as a longer season interferes with academics and semester finals. This hard headed stance does much to hurt the leage. When my son's team plays their first game of the year, their opponent has typically played 2 or 3 games. Makes it tough to be competitive. I hope this changes before he's done but it would appear doubtful at this point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on May 31, 2013, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 30, 2013, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 30, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).

Isn't the real difficulty in college that the coaches have to recruit HS players for their 2013 squad when they don't really know how their 2012 recruits will ultimately perform?

Or even know which players from 2012 will return in 2013.  But unlike the scholarship divisions, D3 coaches don't have to deal with scholarship limits.  Can you ever have enough quality players?

Can someone with experience in DIII recruiting say when coaches start to recruit for the following class?  How much are they looking at 2014 right now?  I know seniors-to-be are sending highlights to coaches.


ADL,

My older boy started hearing from DIII coaches during his senior season, I recall Hope, Wabash, Valparaiso and 1 or 2 others. Interest in him would usually wane when he said the words "biomedical engineering" to a recruiting coach. Rose Hulman came into play after the season and Case after that.

At the end of his junior year my younger son was being recruited by Case, Chicago, Butler, Carnegie Mellon, Valparaiso and 3 of the Ivy's. He was much more proactive in his recruiting then my older boy.

I included D1AA non scholarship schools because in many cases they compete with DIII schools for the same players.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 31, 2013, 04:31:48 AM
In my mind, we're lucky to be playing Oberlin in Game 2 next year.

We'll be rebuilding on defense, and they say your biggest improvement is between Games 1 and 2. 

Oberlin, by contrast, will be playing their opener against us.  That should give us an edge, and we'll need it!

I sure hope that we beat Oberlin, that way, we can end our long-term series with Oberlin on both a winning note, and with a 25+ game winning streak (that's got to be one of the longest in DIII).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 31, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: mustang on May 31, 2013, 12:35:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 30, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
sigma one:
This is somewhat tangential to your conversation, however, since you brought up the subject, I thought I would jump in to add some comments.  Also, as a disclaimer here, I am not intending this as a "dis" against those I am talking about, but rather just simply sharing my own personal opinion and views.

Anyway, you mentioned wishing that we could know how the NESCAC (or at least the best teams of that league) would fare against the top tier DIII teams (as well as keeping the discussion in an "academic" tone, so to speak ::) ;)).  Unfortunately, other than an occasional non-conference game (if those are ever scheduled), we probably will never know.  I have never understood, nor ever will, why they refuse to allow their football teams to participate in the post-season playoffs, nor for that matter, the Ivy Group schools either.  Of course, it is associated with the "academics" aspect they and their supporters will tell you as they have, yet, again, it makes no sense to me and, IMO, there is really no legit reason why they shouldn't be participating in the post-season.  Yet, their current policy is what they desire to do and that is fine, it is their choice and I accept that.

Yet, one can also legitimately say that, at least in the case of the Ivy Group, such policy is hypocritical because they allow all their other sports to participate in the NCAA Championships, so why not football.  The chance of prolonged extra weeks for that is minimal, but even if one of their teams went on to the final, it certainly wouldn't be any much longer than what Yale did this year in winning the national championship in hockey- which was great (and, of course, not to forget the occasional great showings that Ivy schools have done in the March Madness over the years, more recently Harvard and Princeton several years ago which was great (wasn't that latter one were they did the "slow-down" tactics that eventually led to the 30 second clock?).  Wouldn't it be great to see Harvard or Yale or Penn, etc., in the FCS playoff mix and one of the NESCAC teams in the DIII play-offs? But again, we won't most likely ever see that - such has all the chances as a "snowball in h___!" :o ::) ;D ;) :)

Anyway, good overall discussion you guys have been having.


db,

I have a son that plays in the Ivy league and I can tell you that every coach, player and parent is in favor of post season participation for football, however the school presidents have to this point have been against it. They have been insisting that a 10 game schedule is all that will be allowed as a longer season interferes with academics and semester finals. This hard headed stance does much to hurt the leage. When my son's team plays their first game of the year, their opponent has typically played 2 or 3 games. Makes it tough to be competitive. I hope this changes before he's done but it would appear doubtful at this point.

mustang:

Thank you for the follow-up info.  I agree with you 110%+.  The argument that the Ivy school presidents put forth is simply ludicrous and hypocritical (and I saying that nicely ::) :o ;)) because they allow it (post season play) for basketball, hockey and the other sports.  That argument also doesn't fly even from the simple fact that the basketball season is the longest.

I also believe as you do that it hurts the Ivy group overall in regards to their division peers.  As I'm sure you already know, even the Pioneer League is now participating in the post-season FCS playoffs with an automatic bid beginning this season.  The Ivy group obviously has a great and storied tradition, are good schools (although very expensive, among other things, the latter of which I won't bring up here as it is "political" and prohibited on this website  ;D), however, they are somewhat behind the times in regards to football and that is disappointing.  I hope that will change someday, although as you say, it is unlikely to do so anytime soon -the presidents have a very strange mind-set (historically, they always have for that league/group).  Anyway, all best wishes to your son for his remaining football career there.

P.S.  You and many others probably know this, however, I bet (if I were a betting man ;)) that many people do not know that the Ivy schools' official name for the league is not the "Ivy League" as is traditionally said/written.  Rather the official name is "The Ivy Group" and, as I recall from one of the published history books on the league, that term wasn't officially sanctioned until the 1950's.  (Someone correct me if I am wrong on that).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on May 31, 2013, 08:24:11 AM
Quote from: mustang on May 31, 2013, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 30, 2013, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 30, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).

Isn't the real difficulty in college that the coaches have to recruit HS players for their 2013 squad when they don't really know how their 2012 recruits will ultimately perform?

Or even know which players from 2012 will return in 2013.  But unlike the scholarship divisions, D3 coaches don't have to deal with scholarship limits.  Can you ever have enough quality players?

Can someone with experience in DIII recruiting say when coaches start to recruit for the following class?  How much are they looking at 2014 right now?  I know seniors-to-be are sending highlights to coaches.


ADL,

My older boy started hearing from DIII coaches during his senior season, I recall Hope, Wabash, Valparaiso and 1 or 2 others. Interest in him would usually wane when he said the words "biomedical engineering" to a recruiting coach. Rose Hulman came into play after the season and Case after that.

At the end of his junior year my younger son was being recruited by Case, Chicago, Butler, Carnegie Mellon, Valparaiso and 3 of the Ivy's. He was much more proactive in his recruiting then my older boy.

I included D1AA non scholarship schools because in many cases they compete with DIII schools for the same players.
As in the case of your younger son, my son also began hearing from coaches after his junior year. And you are right, coaches don't know who will return, and in following my son's school (North Central) during the past four years, it is amazing how many players either quit, don't return to school for academic reasons, have season (or career) ending injuries, or just don't develop into contributing (either starters, back-ups or special teams) players. I think D3 coaches must recruit for  every position, no matter how deep they might be in any given year, because as on of the North Central coaches put it"recruiting is a crap shoot, you don't know how it will turn out four years down the road. 
As for your second question-I don't think you can have too many quality players, but it can be discouraging to new or younger players to see four(or more) guys ahead of him at his position. That may be one factor in players transferring or quitting. This is just my opinion based on things that I have seen happen at my son's school during his career.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 31, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
P.S.  You and many others probably know this, however, I bet (if I were a betting man ;)) that many people do not know that the Ivy schools' official name for the league is not the "Ivy League" as is traditionally said/written.  Rather the official name is "The Ivy Group" and, as I recall from one of the published history books on the league, that term wasn't officially sanctioned until the 1950's.  (Someone correct me if I am wrong on that).

The sports group is called the Ivy League.

http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/sports/fball/index

Ivy Group, as far as I can tell, is how people refer to the group of schools as institutions, but the conference's website is pretty clear on how to refer to them athletically.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on May 31, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
D3db and others:  the whole NESCAC "we don't participate in the football championship playoffs because. . ." has puzzled me for years, even through that group's attempts at explanation.  On the one hand, I want to believe that they would probably do very well against East competition, and perhaps occasionally beyond.  They compete against many of the eastern schools in other sports and usually do more than hold their own.  They produce national champions in basketball.  They do well is sports where there are measureables--like in track where you either run fast, jump high, and throw far or you don't.   On the other hand, because football is a numbers sport I'm not certain how well they would do against colleges that can bring in large recruiting classes.  I am certain that with the way they allow coaches a certain number of slots to bring in (yes, qualified thoough perhaps with a slightly lower academic profile in some cases) student-athletes they can probably adjust and be competitive.  They would be very unlikely to embarrass themselves.
     I've never bought the argument about missing class, interfering with final exams, etc.  That has always seemed to me an academic smoke screen for an outdated, deeply felt belief that football is a knucklehead sport and that more exposure for their football team might cause some people to question their academic excellence. But, as many have said, NESCAC can do what it wants. 
     Would it be more fun, more interesting if NESCAC teams appeared in the national playoffs?  Sure, it would because all of us would be watching to see how they do.  It would at least help answer a question I posed earlier about whether small institutions with an elite academic reputation could sustain excellence in football.
    Maybe some of you who regularly see NESCAC teams play can offer some opinion about what you see and those teams' caliber v. other DIII  teams you have seen (and not just in some of the weaker conferences).  How do you think they would measure up v., say, St John Fisher, Hobart, Rowan, Widener, Cortland St, Lycoming, and others (including teams firmly occupying the middle of the Empire 8, Liberty League, Middle Atlantic, New Jersey,  and even the UAA.  I suspect the answer will be "quite well," but try to be objective..  Thanks.
     
     
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 31, 2013, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 31, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
P.S.  You and many others probably know this, however, I bet (if I were a betting man ;)) that many people do not know that the Ivy schools' official name for the league is not the "Ivy League" as is traditionally said/written.  Rather the official name is "The Ivy Group" and, as I recall from one of the published history books on the league, that term wasn't officially sanctioned until the 1950's.  (Someone correct me if I am wrong on that).

The sports group is called the Ivy League.

http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/sports/fball/index

Ivy Group, as far as I can tell, is how people refer to the group of schools as institutions, but the conference's website is pretty clear on how to refer to them athletically.

Ah, yes, I stand corrected Pat, you are right and I should have checked my sources before posting my statement.  Thanks for correcting me as requested (can I plead old age/fading memory? ??? ::) :-[ :-[ :)).  Although it is not incorrect that those schools were generally referred to as the Ivy Group with regard to football in the earliest of days, where I was trying to go with that was the actual name of "Ivy League" and for that matter, that it officially became a league, was not until the mid-1950's- actually 1954 to be exact.  As stated in noted author/historian John McCallum's excellent book, Ivy League Football Since 1872, Scarborough House, Briarcliff Manor, New York, Stein and Day/Publishers, 1977; in the opening chapter "Once Lightly Around the Ivy", p. 6, the author notes the following:

"...From 1869 to 1955, Ivy standings were kept haphazardly and unofficially by newspapers.  In fact, most Ivy opponents scheduled one another periodically, instead of annually, if at all.  It wasn't until 1954 that the presidents of the eight schools-Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale-responded to criticism that football had grown out of hand by getting together on what they called the "presidents' agreement" that is the Ivy League charter.  To this day, it is not so much a league as a federation by agreement.  There is no commissioner to enforce the rules.  The university presidents have instead jointly and separately accepted this responsibility"

All of which also fits in with the context of part of the general ongoing discussion.  Additionally, that is generally considered by many as when the deemphasizing of football started for the Ivy schools.  Anyway, thanks again for the correction/clarification.
 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 31, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
sigma one (and colleagues):

Well said; I agree entirely.  Thanks for your additional comments/opinion.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 01, 2013, 08:02:23 AM
Gang,

Personally, I don't understand the position of either the Ivy League, or the NESCAC regarding the football post-season.

To illustrate, take a look at the University Athletic Association.

It's literally the ONLY intercollegiate athletic conference in the ENTIRE COUNTRY..............at ANY level of play.........which can boast of having ALL of its schools as members of the Association of American Universities.  Even the Ivy League can't boast of that (Dartmouth is not an AAU member)!

Moreover, every school in the UAA is ranked among the US News Top 37 "national universities" in the country.  To the best of my knowledge, the Ivy League is the only other league in the country that can boast of this (I'm not sure that the NESCAC can boast of having all of its members among the Top 37 "liberal arts colleges," by comparison).

Now, get this: ALL of the UAA's football playing schools make themselves eligible to participate in the post-season, and all of its football playing members either have competed in or aspire to compete in the Division III football playoffs.

Given that, any notion that competing in the football post-season either conflicts with exams or hurts academic prestige absolutely FLIES in the face of the evidence.

Even at the Division I-FBS level, I can tell ya this much: competing in the football post season sure as Hell hasn't negatively affected the academic reputations of Stanford, Northwestern, Rice, Duke, or Notre Dame!  They've proven that academic and athletic prestige are MUTUAL and COMPLIMENTARY.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 01, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
DagermanSpartan:

Also, well said.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 01, 2013, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: sigma one on May 31, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
D3db and others:  the whole NESCAC "we don't participate in the football championship playoffs because. . ." has puzzled me for years, even through that group's attempts at explanation. 
     

Even a ninth game in the beginning of the season would be fine...at least there would be something to use to compare to other Division III institutions. They could treat it as a pre-season game. It is upsetting to see that they limit the student-athletes to eight games while other teams around the nation struggle to find a tenth game and even a ninth game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on June 01, 2013, 04:01:05 PM
Good thoughts everybody.  Keeps us going during the off season. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 02, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
mustang

Great to hear from you.
I'm planning to keep tabs on your Ivy League son.  Do you know if Ivy League games will be televised as they were last year?  As I recall or conversation, your older son hadn't decided between baseball and football until his senior year.

D3MAFAN  They don't even play all of the teams in their conference during the regular season.  They start with a scrimmage against the team they don't play in the regular season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on June 02, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 02, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
mustang

Great to hear from you.
I'm planning to keep tabs on your Ivy League son.  Do you know if Ivy League games will be televised as they were last year?  As I recall or conversation, your older son hadn't decided between baseball and football until his senior year.

D3MAFAN  They don't even play all of the teams in their conference during the regular season.  They start with a scrimmage against the team they don't play in the regular season.

ADL

The Ivy league signed I believe a 3 year tv deal so they will again be on the NBC sports network. Due to how they finished I would expect my son's team to be on a minimum of 3 games. Your recollection of our conversation is correct, my older guy soured on baseball as his senior season progressed and by that time his football choices were Rose Hulman and Case. He's very glad (as am I) that he chose Case.

For Case next year I suspect Olson will return and the offense will have to carry the team, at least at first. The defense loses pretty much everybody and have a new linebackers coach so there will be some growing pains, coupled with a new, challenging schedule. I do have a lot of faith in coach Macalla and expect the defense to be effective.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 03, 2013, 03:33:44 AM
mustang,

Which Ivy League school does your son play for?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 03, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
For some reason CWRU didn't post a spring roster this year and hasn't yet posted  a returning players roster.

Olson, Zach Scott, and Fioramonti potentially have another year of eligibility and Streicher (DE), Riordan, Magister, and a number of freshman LBs missed all or most of last year to injury.

Does anyone know which of them participated in spring practice or are likely to return and be ready in the fall?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 04, 2013, 04:13:08 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 30, 2013, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 30, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
I know that we're essentially in agreement, just wanted to write some stuff down to flesh it all out.  You're certainly right that more than half a dozen quality recruits per class are required to climb into that "second tier" of Division III, hovering on the fringes of the Top 25.  You might crack it for a year or two with two strong recruiting classes back-to-back, but staying there requires strong recruiting classes year-in and year-out (or at least three of every four years).

Isn't the real difficulty in college that the coaches have to recruit HS players for their 2013 squad when they don't really know how their 2012 recruits will ultimately perform?

Or even know which players from 2012 will return in 2013.  But unlike the scholarship divisions, D3 coaches don't have to deal with scholarship limits.  Can you ever have enough quality players?

Great discussion on the previous page, sorry that I wasn't in touch for it, I'd have jumped in!

I did want to make one point here; I've mentioned a few times that I had a work-study job calling recruits when I was playing for CMU, and we really didn't target specific positions that much, so I would answer ADL's question "Can you ever have enough quality players?" with a resounding "NO!"

We tried to get everyone that we could, positional depth or not.  Maybe we recruited a certain position especially hard if we were really thin there, but the major philosophy was just to cast as wide of a net as possible - it's always easier to bring in more guys than you need, knowing that you can have some switch positions and will likely lose some of them to injury and/or academic attrition along the way.  One year we brought in nine (NINE!) freshman quarterbacks, and we actually had at least two, maybe three upperclass QB's coming to camp as well.  Bring in all the guys, see who looks like they can play, convert the faster guys to WR or RB if we need one, and eventually you'll have the right # at each position.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 04, 2013, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 02, 2013, 03:24:45 PM

D3MAFAN  They don't even play all of the teams in their conference during the regular season.  They start with a scrimmage against the team they don't play in the regular season.

Wow didn't even realize that scrimmage was not an official game, that explains how there are some scenarios that some teams may end of tied for conference champions. Nevertheless, I don't know how making the scrimmage official or even playing and OOC opponent early in the year effects student-athletes finals in December. I know that playing a sport in December with finals around the corner is all about time managment and it is up to the student if they really want to study or not.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
I've seen some pretty good safeties made out of high school quarterbacks as well. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on June 05, 2013, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 03, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
For some reason CWRU didn't post a spring roster this year and hasn't yet posted  a returning players roster.

Olson, Zach Scott, and Fioramonti potentially have another year of eligibility and Streicher (DE), Riordan, Magister, and a number of freshman LBs missed all or most of last year to injury.

Does anyone know which of them participated in spring practice or are likely to return and be ready in the fall?
Quote from: mustang on June 02, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 02, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
mustang

Great to hear from you.
I'm planning to keep tabs on your Ivy League son.  Do you know if Ivy League games will be televised as they were last year?  As I recall or conversation, your older son hadn't decided between baseball and football until his senior year.

D3MAFAN  They don't even play all of the teams in their conference during the regular season.  They start with a scrimmage against the team they don't play in the regular season.

ADL

The Ivy league signed I believe a 3 year tv deal so they will again be on the NBC sports network. Due to how they finished I would expect my son's team to be on a minimum of 3 games. Your recollection of our conversation is correct, my older guy soured on baseball as his senior season progressed and by that time his football choices were Rose Hulman and Case. He's very glad (as am I) that he chose Case.

For Case next year I suspect Olson will return and the offense will have to carry the team, at least at first. The defense loses pretty much everybody and have a new linebackers coach so there will be some growing pains, coupled with a new, challenging schedule. I do have a lot of faith in coach Macalla and expect the defense to be effective.
Dagarman,

He plays for Penn.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 06, 2013, 03:16:20 PM
Not trying to start something here, but some unfortunate UAA-related news....

http://college-football.si.com/2013/06/06/mississippi-state-football-ncaa-infractions/?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp

Is that the Angelo Mirando that played QB for CWRU in the mid-2000's?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on June 06, 2013, 03:16:20 PM
Not trying to start something here, but some unfortunate UAA-related news....

http://college-football.si.com/2013/06/06/mississippi-state-football-ncaa-infractions/?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp

Is that the Angelo Mirando that played QB for CWRU in the mid-2000's?

Yes, he allegedly failed to report a payment to a recruit by a booster.

http://theadvocate.com/csp/mediapool/sites/Advocate/assets/templates/FullStoryPrint.csp?cid=3882739&preview=y

He is currently QB coach at Ave Maria, an NAIA team in Florida.

On a positive note, former Spartans Mark Elder and Greg Meyer are on the staff at Tennessee.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 07, 2013, 02:12:09 AM
New Provost at WASHU from UNC-Chapel Hill...http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9348194/holden-thorp-leaving-north-carolina-tar-heels-chancellor
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2013, 10:41:01 PM
CWRU's 2013 roster

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster

Olson returns for redshirt year.  Riordan and Magister return to backfield after injuries last year.

Streicher back at DE from season-long injury, but Fioramonti skips redshirt year.

Looks like a big shake up in the coaching staff.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 03, 2013, 03:42:35 PM
I don't understand.  Does this mean that Olson will actually PLAY this season?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 04, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Sorry if I confused.  I should have said extra year, not redshirt.  He reshirted at CalU his freshman year, before coming to CWRU his sophomore year, thus he has one more year of eligibility this fall.

Olson is listed on the 2013 rosterwhich suggests he will be playing this fall, while others who could have had an extra year due to injury (such as Fioramonti), are not listed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 04, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
Thanks for the info!  This means that we will not start this football season with a QB controversy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 04, 2013, 08:49:39 PM
You don't think QB could be Olson or Beecher or both?   Look at the depth chart for the last several games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on July 04, 2013, 11:42:45 PM
If coach Debs follows the pattern used last year during the second half of the season, Olson would be the quarterback on most straight pass situations while being in for some running plays, while Beecher would be on those situations which require more flexibility on the quarterback's part.  Beecher was rather adept at running the ball and will probably fill the same role this year.
My greater concern is (still) on how we will be replace so many players on defense (good players).  I am aware that there are some players reaching their 'junior' year which have been waiting their time, hopefully they'll be able to step in and get it done.
It should be an exciting and interesting season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 05, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
I agree with your assessment of likely QB roles.  One or more of the UAA games Beecher was listed as starter, with Olson backup.   His comp% ended up same as Olson's (although is passes tended to be higher percentage attempts).

I share your concern about D.  Although DL seems to have fair experience returning, only Bankey (FS) has much experience of the back 7.

I'm also concerned of the apparent total turnover of position coaches, with no QB or RB coach listed yet.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on July 05, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
With Kenny's return, and one more year for Sean Lapcevic, Lybarger, Darany and Erb, our offense should be solid.  The OL should be in good shape.
I agree with your evaluation, you cannot compare Beecher's completion % to Olson's as Beecher's completions were usually on short passes.
I have read a bit on the 'new' teams we are playing this year and it looks like a challenging schedule.  I do have a lot of faith on Coach Deb's ability to motivate the boys and prepare them for the season.
I may be confused but I thought that Coach Deb had acted as the running back's coach last year (I might be wrong). 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 05, 2013, 10:10:14 PM
No doubt you would be better informed than I as to RB coach, and I now see no RB coach listed last season.  Perhaps Slesh will serve as QB coach too.  Still, all the coaching turnover may be cause for concern.  The receivers you mention all have more than one year remaining.

Yes, Linfield is one of the true powers in D3 football, and Trinity is up there historically as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on July 05, 2013, 11:30:37 PM
Former Linebackers coach Jerry Shulpinski was hired to be the DC at John Carrol.  After that he was hired to work for the Patriots!

http://www.jcunews.com/2013/04/09/new-jcu-football-defensive-coordinator-jerry-schuplinski-hired-by-patriots/

The new Linebackers coach was with the team during the spring.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 16, 2013, 10:08:59 AM
Case and WASHU ranked in Top 20. http://healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/best-hospitals-2013-14-honor-roll#19
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 16, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
Just a quick note for y'all,

I am still around here and reading but have remained fairly quiet on the UAA board because I've been tabbed to write the Kickoff 2013 capsules for the four UAA schools and I'm putting most of my D3 football related energy into preparing those.  You'll be able to pick up my thoughts when Kickoff comes out :)

XTP
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 16, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on July 16, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
I've been tabbed to write the Kickoff 2013 capsules for the four UAA schools and I'm putting most of my D3 football related energy into preparing those.  You'll be able to pick up my thoughts when Kickoff comes out :)


Looking forward to purchasing it and hearing your thoughts. Congrats on being tabbed. Keep up the hard work!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on July 16, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
Good for you, ExTartanPlayer.  And for all of us readers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 16, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on July 16, 2013, 10:08:59 AM
Case and WASHU ranked in Top 20. http://healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/best-hospitals-2013-14-honor-roll#19

Not only that, but the Cleveland Clinic, which also has a sort of affiliation with Case's medical school, is among the nation's top five hospitals.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 16, 2013, 04:44:53 PM
Thanks for the compliments.  I think I've pulled together a decent little preview for the UAA and its respective schools, although I still have to speak to a few of the head coaches to confirm that all the guys listed on current rosters are back and catch any last-minute injuries, dismissals, etc.

Since I've now spent a few hours poring over the returnees from each roster, statistics, and a few highlights from last year, here are a couple of BROAD thoughts that stand out as "teasers" for the full Kickoff preview (in order of last year's conference finish):

1) I think WashU could be very, very good this year IF the offense takes a big step up from last year's mediocre performance.  Starting a senior QB with some experience should help.  The Bears did have a really tough defense last year and virtually everybody is back.

2) Case has a lot back on offense and very little back on defense.  As mentioned, will be interesting to see how QB is shared between Beecher and Olson.  Very solid backfield tandem with Riordan and Sicre and experience at WR.  The defense will have a bunch of new faces.

3) CMU brings back a good fistful of players on both sides, including a few high-impact guys on offense.  QB Kalkstein might be the league's best offensive player and he's got two nice deep threats back.  Will a new face step up to spearhead the running game?  Will the defense take a step forward?

4) Chicago looks to be bringing up the rear.  Changing coaches this late in the game will make it tough, although the Maroons bring back plenty of veterans on defense.  Could see them improving as the season goes on once things settle down.

5) One broad observation which bodes well for overall quality of play in the league: every team has a senior QB with plenty of experience.  This generally leads to better offense and more entertaining football games.  Barring injuries, we could see some nice offensive output this year.

6) Overall: I could see any of WashU, CWRU, or CMU realistically winning the conference.  Chicago looks like a pretty distant fourth from the other three.  Of course, since my affiliation with the UAA began, Chicago has twice won the conference in seasons where the same could have been said entering the season (2005 and 2010).

Purposely being a little vague here so as not to "scoop" the stories before releasing them in the Kickoff preview.  If you want more detail, it'll have to wait until Kickoff!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 17, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
Speaking of realignment, what are the odds that the UAA may someday add MIT or another AAU Division III member in order to become the "Nerdy Nine" once again?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on July 17, 2013, 09:50:47 PM
How do you buy kickoff?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on July 17, 2013, 09:50:47 PM
How do you buy kickoff?

SpartanMom,

You can order it from the page on our site:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/06/get-kickoff-2013

Major credit cards accepted, etc. A password gets emailed to you and you can use it to log in to Kickoff on Aug. 27 when it's released!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on July 17, 2013, 10:13:21 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 18, 2013, 11:14:25 AM
http://www.d3football.com/top25/2013/preseason

UAA oponents:
Linfield #5  CWRU
Whitewater #9   WUStL
Coe #21   WUStL
Elmhurst #22   UChi
Trinity (TX) 10pts   CWRU
Concordia (IL) 3pts   UChi     
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 21, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
Congrats XTP on your "Kickoff" role

Here's the All-UAA selections each team returns:

CMU
1st Team     Cheek Sr G  2nd Team South Region
                  Kalkstein Sr QB  POY
                  Kitka   Sr WR
2nd Team    Erra-Hernandez Sr FB
                  Krause Sr G
                  Pardoe Sr TE
                  Jok Sr DL

CWRU
1st Team     Abbott Sr G
                  Sicre Jr RB
                  Riordan RB  2011 selection-injury in 2012
2nd Team    Hartig Sr OT
                  Lapcevic Jr WR
                  Banky Sr S

UChi
1st Team    Cifer Sr DL
2nd Team   Ross-Nash Jr RB
                 Beltrano So CB  ROY
                 Mainquist Jr DL
                 Montefalco Jr OLB
               
WUStL
1st Team     Byers Sr S
                  Lowery Sr LB
                  Nwumeh  Sr DL
                  Oluokun  Jr OLB 
                  Skalman  Sr CB  3rd Team South Region
2nd Team    Bartholomew  Sr WR
                  Daginella  Sr QB
                  Meneough Jr OT
                  Deterding  Jr S
                  Goad So OLB
                  Seager  Jr QB
                  Wight  Sr DL
                  Hallwachs  So K

CMU has not posted a 2013 roster, so can't verify their selections returning for this season.


[EDIT]  CWRU Sr QB Olson was 2nd team for 2011

CMU's Nathan Cheek 2nd Team d3.com 2013 Pew-season All-American.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 24, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Two coach interviews down, two to go.  Must say that Coach Kindbom and Coach Debeljak were extraordinarily friendly on the telephone and very forthcoming about their expectations for this season, and it makes me all that much prouder of the conference which I played in that the head coaches are such outstanding men.  Next up, my alma mater, which I'll handle in person.  Kinda silly to call on the phone when I live a mile from the football office  :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on July 25, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
Making my flight reservations this week for the Linfield/Case game.  It should be a great experience.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 25, 2013, 04:10:58 PM
One piece of information I got from Coach Lackner today: DB Liam McGrath, a second-team all-UAA selection, will be back for a graduate year (he did not play as a freshman due to a shoulder injury).  McGrath led the Tartans in INT's last year.  That's a big bonus for our pass defense, I didn't realize that he was coming back.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 26, 2013, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on July 25, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
Making my flight reservations this week for the Linfield/Case game.  It should be a great experience.

Here's hoping the Spartans put up a fight worthy of your travels.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 26, 2013, 04:20:40 PM
Assuming Linfield comes in ranked in the Top Four, when was the last time that Case played such an opponent at home.

It seems almost unprecedented!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 26, 2013, 04:22:33 PM
Gang,

This may sound like a silly question, but after this coming season, we will still have a UAA football discussion board? 

I mean, won't the UAA no longer be sponsoring football at that point?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 26, 2013, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on July 26, 2013, 04:22:33 PM
Gang,

This may sound like a silly question, but after this coming season, we will still have a UAA football discussion board? 

I mean, won't the UAA no longer be sponsoring football at that point?

The conference will always be there for those who played and supported it. I am sure ExTartan would agree.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 26, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
I was under the impression that the UAA would still exist and award a football title. I though the schos had essentially taken a role of "dual conference membership" where they would compete for the UAA title as well as the PAC/SAA titles.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 26, 2013, 09:55:23 PM
OK, now I get it.

CWRU will play CMU as one of eight PAC games, and will still play Chicago and Wash-U as non-PAC opponents each season.

This schedule will allow CWRU to play all three UAA games annually and compete for conference titles in both the PAC and the UAA during a single, ten game season.

This list of future schedules from the Spartans' athletic page illustrates:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv)

Based on that, I guess I'll now have to actively post on TWO D3 football message boards.

;D

I guess the only thing that I don't like about this arrangement is how all of our old rivalries with local schools like Oberlin and JCU will come to an end.  There's simply no available space on the calendar.  But ultimately, I suppose that the advantages of being in an "automatic qualifier" conference while simultaneously being in another conference (the only one of its kind) that features 100% AAU school membership outweigh the disadvantages.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 27, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
"Something's lost and something's gained in living every day"

OAC and now NCAC teams only have one ooc game.  It's too bad to lose the NCAC opponents.  While JCU was an old rival, the two teams have only met twice in the last twenty-five years.  CWRU will be renewing rivalries with four teams that were in the PAC when Case, Western Reserve, and CWRU were PAC members.

Nice thing about the 2014-17 scheds are the off week is week two.

As far as posting goes, there have only been two posts on the PAC board in 2013.

I'd like to see CWRU join PAC as affiliate in baseball as well.


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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 28, 2013, 07:02:18 AM
That is a correct description, Dagarman.

As ADL noted, the PAC board is basically dead, even moreso than the UAA board (which consists of, what, five Case fans & me, with an occasional appearance from a WashU fan).  Bob Gregg posts there in support of W & J, and SaintsFAN used to post there representing Thomas More, and that's about it...there used to be a couple others (a Bethany parent, I think), but I think they moved on once their kids graduated.

ADL also correctly pointed out that the loss of those rivalries isn't that big of a blow...it'd be nice for CWRU to play Oberlin or Wooster, sure, but you'll pick up some new ones in the PAC.  The PAC is generally "okay" although W & J has really dropped a level from their peak in the early 2000's.  During my time, we played a bunch of the mediocre PAC schools (3-1 vs. Grove City, 4-0 vs. Bethany, 1-1 vs. Thiel, and 1-0 vs. Westminster) but since I graduated, with the NCAC making up the bulk of our nonconference games, the only PAC school we've played in the regular season is Grove City.

If recent trends hold, I would expect CMU and CWRU both to be in the upper half of the conference most years, and possibly in contention with Waynesburg, Thomas More, and W & J for the conference title in especially good seasons.  CMU did beat Grove City 23-20 in the opener last year, and GCC finished 5-3 in the PAC; CMU then also played PAC co-champion Waynesburg in an ECAC bowl game and lost 28-24.  Both games were competitive, and that suggests to me that CMU would likely have fallen somewhere in the upper half of the league, although they probably wouldn't have won the league title.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on July 28, 2013, 02:44:32 PM
ExTartanPlayer:  when CMU was healthy early in the 2012 season, they were special to watch.   The strong combination of QB, RBs, and deep WR made the offense troublesome. By the time they came to Wabash, their attack had begun to atrophy due to injuries. Still,The Wabash fans were impressed.   Once Wabash got rolling the game tilted quickly, but even in that game the Tartans sustained some early injuries that blunted their offense. 
     I'm guessing that with their full lineup they would have given the Top of the PAC trouble.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 31, 2013, 05:45:43 AM
Gang,

I just noticed that apparently, neither the UAA, nor the PAC, have Twitter accounts/updates (or at least, none showed up when I did a Search for them).

That seems like an easy way to help get the word out about both conferences.

The PAC's absence is especially surprising, given that they are on Facebook.

Why not other social media?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2013, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on July 31, 2013, 05:45:43 AM
Gang,

I just noticed that apparently, neither the UAA, nor the PAC, have Twitter accounts/updates (or at least, none showed up when I did a Search for them).

That seems like an easy way to help get the word out about both conferences.

The PAC's absence is especially surprising, given that they are on Facebook.

Why not other social media?

The PAC is on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/PACSports
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on July 31, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
My son got a mention in the preview CWRU put out today! ;D

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130723rnhoiy
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
Sorry, and here is the PAC's official Twitter feed. The other is their sports broadcast "network" feed.
https://twitter.com/PAC_Athletics
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 31, 2013, 04:51:42 PM
Thanks Pat!

I appreciate that!

Now if only the UAA could also be on Twitter!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 31, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on July 31, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
My son got a mention in the preview CWRU put out today! ;D

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130723rnhoiy

Reading between the lines, looks like lots of opportunities for LBs.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on July 31, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
That is exactly what my son thinks.  He is excited to compete for a starting spot.  He put on 20 good, solid pounds over the past year and he has been working out all summer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 01, 2013, 10:47:49 PM
Congrats to Jake Abbot on making the OhioCollegeFootball.com preseason 1st team.....
Looking forward to an exciting year.  It should be highly competitive.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 01, 2013, 11:02:43 PM
Starts in 10-12 days.

Scrimmage with BW 8/31
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2013, 06:05:40 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 31, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on July 31, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
My son got a mention in the preview CWRU put out today! ;D

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130723rnhoiy

Reading between the lines, looks like lots of opportunities for LBs.

Indeed.  I got that impression speaking to Coach Debeljak as well - he is very excited to see how the competition plays out on defense.

SpartanMom, it's very exciting to see your son's name in print, no?  Congratulations and best of luck to your son in his battle for a starting position.  I know it's been said a few times around the D3boards by other parents, but the years will go by too fast; if he gets a job, go to every game that you can.  My parents came to every home game my junior & senior year (once my younger brother graduated HS and I had locked down a full-time starting position) and 8/10 away games over that time frame as well.  We picked a good time, too, that was the best stretch CMU's had in the last decade!  Your son is there in what should be a very exciting and competitive season for the UAA.

If possible, I'll be at every CMU home game this year (there are only four), with the possible exception of a weekend I'm doing one of my races.  I will make it a point to be in town for the CMU-Case game, partly because I think it might decide the UAA title, partly because it would be nice to meet some of you folks I've been exchanging messages with over the years.

On a personal note: I'm not sure if I posted this here last week, but I've just recently completed my Ph.D. at the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health and will be starting this fall as a biostatistician/epidemiologist working for Magee Women's Research Institute (branch of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center), with a faculty appointment at Pitt - I may also lecture for the statistics department on the side.  So I expect to remain in Pittsburgh for some time.  Never visited Pittsburgh until I was 17 years old, now I've grown to love the place.  Although I will NEVER become a Steelers fan.  Eagles fan for life.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 02, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2013, 06:05:40 AMSpartanMom, it's very exciting to see your son's name in print, no?  Congratulations and best of luck to your son in his battle for a starting position.  I know it's been said a few times around the D3boards by other parents, but the years will go by too fast; if he gets a job, go to every game that you can.

It is always exciting to see your child's name in print.  He was a 4 sport athlete in high school so we got to see it quite a bit in the past. 

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2013, 06:05:40 AMMy parents came to every home game my junior & senior year (once my younger brother graduated HS and I had locked down a full-time starting position) and 8/10 away games over that time frame as well.  We picked a good time, too, that was the best stretch CMU's had in the last decade!  Your son is there in what should be a very exciting and competitive season for the UAA.

We are coming to the opening game.  We don't know if he will play or not but we are coming anyway.  We have always enjoyed watching our kids play.  We would come to every home game but we still have two other kids at home and they need us as they are still in high school.  Plus flying from FL gets expensive.  His fraternity is having father's weekend during one of the bye weeks and I think my husband will go to that.  Flights to Cleveland are pretty expensive.  I'm not really sure why.  Who wants to go to Cleveland?

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2013, 06:05:40 AMIf possible, I'll be at every CMU home game this year (there are only four), with the possible exception of a weekend I'm doing one of my races.  I will make it a point to be in town for the CMU-Case game, partly because I think it might decide the UAA title, partly because it would be nice to meet some of you folks I've been exchanging messages with over the years.

If we are there I will let you know.  It would be great to meet some of the folks on this board.

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 02, 2013, 06:05:40 AMOn a personal note: I'm not sure if I posted this here last week, but I've just recently completed my Ph.D. at the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health and will be starting this fall as a biostatistician/epidemiologist working for Magee Women's Research Institute (branch of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center), with a faculty appointment at Pitt - I may also lecture for the statistics department on the side.  So I expect to remain in Pittsburgh for some time.  Never visited Pittsburgh until I was 17 years old, now I've grown to love the place.  Although I will NEVER become a Steelers fan.  Eagles fan for life.

Mazel Tov!  My son is already starting to talk about grad school.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 06, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Chicago's new HC

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2012-13/FB-Wilkerson-hire.htm
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 07, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
Updated CWRU coaching staff:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/coaches/index

Former Spartan RB James Rosenbury will coach RBs, no QB coach listed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 07, 2013, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 06, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Chicago's new HC

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2012-13/FB-Wilkerson-hire.htm

Tough time of year to find a new head man, gotta figure this was the best they could do.  Pretty nice to get a guy with Illinois roots, and as a bonus, experience at an Ivy League school who will understand the difficulty of recruiting with high academic standards.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 07, 2013, 03:55:39 PM
Gang,

I noticed on Twitter that Coach Debuljak apparently spoke at the PAC media day.  Does anybody have any details?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 07, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
He spoke last year too. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 08, 2013, 07:16:02 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 02, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
We are coming to the opening game.  We don't know if he will play or not but we are coming anyway.  We have always enjoyed watching our kids play.  We would come to every home game but we still have two other kids at home and they need us as they are still in high school.  Plus flying from FL gets expensive.  His fraternity is having father's weekend during one of the bye weeks and I think my husband will go to that.  Flights to Cleveland are pretty expensive.  I'm not really sure why.  Who wants to go to Cleveland?

LOL @ "who wants to go to Cleveland" - having lived in Pittsburgh for several years now, this is quite deeply ingrained in me as well.  I had a number of teammates from the Mistake by the Lake and we gave them endless grief...the irony, of course, being that Pittsburgh and Cleveland are nearly identical cities from ten paces' distance.  But we Pittsburgh residents rag on Cleveland constantly.

Re: the above, I totally understand - as I alluded, my parents faced the same dilemma, so they stayed "home" my first two years while my brother was in high school (although they did pull a few "doubles" of watching my brother play on Friday night, then driving out on Saturday morning for my game), which especially made sense as he was not planning on playing in college and I'd told my parents to watch him while they could, since they'd have two more seasons to watch me afterwards.  So, I would heartily encourage you to enjoy the younger children's games and pick a judicious Case game or two each year to attend.  Do your younger kids also play football (or, if they're girls, soccer or something else in the fall)?

As I said, I give my parents tons of credit for coming to'em all my last two years, but they "only" had a 4-hour drive from the Philly area, not a flight from Florida!  I can't imagine flying to EVERY game, although I did have one teammate from Washington state whose parents flew in for every game his entire career!  Of course, he was a four-year starter and one of the most distinguished players in school history by the time he graduated...

One of the difficult things about college ball vs. high school is that, with parents coming from all over, it can be harder to develop the sense of community that's fostered in high school.  I was impressed at how many CMU parents did come to games and get to know each other over the years (we had a large tailgate on the roof after each home game organized by the upper-class parents, which was the best place for parents to meet one another and their sons' friends).

Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 02, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
Mazel Tov!  My son is already starting to talk about grad school.

Thanks! Does he have a specific field in mind? (not that these things are set in stone...I did not even know what "epidemiology" was as an undergraduate, discovered it halfway through my Master's degree, and ended up getting a PhD in it)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 08, 2013, 08:38:05 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 08, 2013, 07:16:02 AMLOL @ "who wants to go to Cleveland" - having lived in Pittsburgh for several years now, this is quite deeply ingrained in me as well.  I had a number of teammates from the Mistake by the Lake and we gave them endless grief...the irony, of course, being that Pittsburgh and Cleveland are nearly identical cities from ten paces' distance.  But we Pittsburgh residents rag on Cleveland constantly.

Honestly, neither Pittsburgh or Cleveland would be on my list of favorite vacation spots.  My last trip to Cleveland was for mother's weekend at the fraternity and it snowed all weekend.  I really should have stayed in Ft. Lauderdale!

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 08, 2013, 07:16:02 AMDo your younger kids also play football (or, if they're girls, soccer or something else in the fall)?

We are an all boy family.  Except for me of course.

The older is a senior and he is on the drum line so we still go to every high school game.  He plays lacrosse in the spring.  He will be busy with his college applications.  We did all of our college visits this summer.  The younger is a freshman and he will be playing JV this year as the varsity is not in need of a 160 lb center.  He wrestles and also plays lacrosse so we are busy with sports and band all year.  We enjoy seeing them play and perform and we don't want to miss out on their high school performances.  That said if the oldest is playing at CWRU we will make it for at least a few games even if we take turns flying up so someone will be home with the younger ones. 

We do watch most of the games on the internet even if our son is not playing. 

Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 02, 2013, 08:03:27 AMThanks! Does he have a specific field in mind? (not that these things are set in stone...I did not even know what "epidemiology" was as an undergraduate, discovered it halfway through my Master's degree, and ended up getting a PhD in it)

He is currently a math/economics major.  He is interested in pursuing a PhD in economics.  He has been told by his academic advisers that the undergrad math degree will make him a stronger candidate for a PhD in economics.  Ultimately, he would like to work for the Fed and most of the higher ups have PhDs in economics.

Like most of the UAA football players/graduates he defies the stereotype of the dumb jock.  At least in college nobody has asked if belongs in this class like his AP World History teacher did when he was in HS.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 13, 2013, 04:11:53 PM
UAA coaches' poll

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130813v84rn5
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on August 13, 2013, 10:55:44 PM
Hope everyone won't mind if a Wash U fan joins the board.  Unfortunately, it appears we have been under represented in the past. Looking forward to a very promising year with a ton of returning starters.  Hope we can keep the momentum going from the end of last year.  Defense should lead and hope we can find enough play makers on offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 14, 2013, 09:07:33 AM
On the contrary, we will be GLAD to have a Wash U representative!!! Welcome aboard and feel free to introduce yourself - what's your connection to Wash U?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
Indeed, welcome BearFan!  Keep us updated on happenings in StL.  There is better WUStL representation on the Hoops boards.

You know the cliche', "defense wins championships."

Spartan players report today with physicals tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 14, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Son is on his way back to Case..... Very excited about this coming year.  I'm hoping we (and think we will!) have a bunch of players step into a starting position in defense.  We have some good kids sitting mostly on the sidelines for the past couple of years.  This is their big chance to step up and produce.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 14, 2013, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: casefldad on August 14, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Son is on his way back to Case..... Very excited about this coming year.  I'm hoping we (and think we will!) have a bunch of players step into a starting position in defense.  We have some good kids sitting mostly on the sidelines for the past couple of years.  This is their big chance to step up and produce.

I have the 9/28 game against Linfield set and locked on my calendar. Hopefully we get a good showcase. Good Luck to your son.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 14, 2013, 12:57:29 PM
Thank you for your words.  I plan to attend the opening game, homecoming (Linfield) and 10/26.  A long trip from Florida, but well worth it.  I truly enjoy seeing the kids play and the complete college atmosphere.
Just hoping first of all, that all the kids remain injury free for the year and that they play to the best of their capabilities.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on August 14, 2013, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 14, 2013, 09:07:33 AM
On the contrary, we will be GLAD to have a Wash U representative!!! Welcome aboard and feel free to introduce yourself - what's your connection to Wash U?
My son is on the Wash U team, and absent an injury we will make most if not all of the games so I'll be glad to provide some post game reporting.  The guys reported yesterday and I know there is a lot of optimism after the way last season ended and with so many returning starters.  Road games at Whitewater and Coe in the first three weeks will go a long way in defining this team.  The schedule gets a little easier in the middle including two first year programs in Hendrix and Berry before we hit the UAA games, two of which are in St. Louis.  Glad to be on board!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 14, 2013, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: BearFan on August 14, 2013, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 14, 2013, 09:07:33 AM
On the contrary, we will be GLAD to have a Wash U representative!!! Welcome aboard and feel free to introduce yourself - what's your connection to Wash U?
My son is on the Wash U team, and absent an injury we will make most if not all of the games so I'll be glad to provide some post game reporting.  The guys reported yesterday and I know there is a lot of optimism after the way last season ended and with so many returning starters.  Road games at Whitewater and Coe in the first three weeks will go a long way in defining this team.  The schedule gets a little easier in the middle including two first year programs in Hendrix and Berry before we hit the UAA games, two of which are in St. Louis.  Glad to be on board!

Welcome!  My son is a sophomore at Case.  He got there yesterday, did his fitness testing and is ready to go!

We are planning to be in Cleveland for the opening game and homecoming.  If our son gets regular playing time we will try to make a few other games.  We are thinking about heading out to see the Puget Sound game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 14, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
Maybe I can meet both SMom and fladad at the opener.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on August 15, 2013, 12:20:09 AM
SpartanMom and fladad I highly recommend meeting ADL70. His experience and insight make watching a game with him a pleasurable experience.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 15, 2013, 06:40:11 AM
This offseason REALLY needs to end.

I can hardly wait for opening week!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
Quote from: BearFan on August 14, 2013, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 14, 2013, 09:07:33 AM
On the contrary, we will be GLAD to have a Wash U representative!!! Welcome aboard and feel free to introduce yourself - what's your connection to Wash U?
My son is on the Wash U team, and absent an injury we will make most if not all of the games so I'll be glad to provide some post game reporting.  The guys reported yesterday and I know there is a lot of optimism after the way last season ended and with so many returning starters.  Road games at Whitewater and Coe in the first three weeks will go a long way in defining this team.  The schedule gets a little easier in the middle including two first year programs in Hendrix and Berry before we hit the UAA games, two of which are in St. Louis.  Glad to be on board!

Welcome aboard! Glad to have a Wash U football fan. :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 15, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: mustang on August 15, 2013, 12:20:09 AM
SpartanMom and fladad I highly recommend meeting ADL70. His experience and insight make watching a game with him a pleasurable experience.
I'll be very easy to spot, I should be wearing a long sleeve CASE sweatshirt with the name SICRE on my back.  I look forward to meeting all who attend any of the three games I am scheduled to attend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: mustang on August 15, 2013, 12:20:09 AM
SpartanMom and fladad I highly recommend meeting ADL70. His experience and insight make watching a game with him a pleasurable experience.

Thanks for the kind words mustang.  I'll follow your other son's progress in the Ivies.

By "experience," he means I'm an old alum who's kept a close eye on the program for the last dozen years.  I now even proofread for the SID.

Over the years I've met up with several players' dads who posted here, Cowdrick, Nicely, Metlsitz, and Nossem.

I'll look you upfladad. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 15, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: mustang on August 15, 2013, 12:20:09 AM
SpartanMom and fladad I highly recommend meeting ADL70. His experience and insight make watching a game with him a pleasurable experience.

I look forward to meeting any/all of the participants on this board.  So who expects to be at the first CWRU game?

I have:

Me
Casefldad
ADL70

Anyone else planning on being there?  Since the game is a night game we should tailgate!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 06:03:44 PM
In years past the parents' group has had a tailgate.  I do not know who is in charge this year. 


I'm going to the Mt Union-Franklin game earlier, but plan to be there about 6.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 15, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 15, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: mustang on August 15, 2013, 12:20:09 AM
SpartanMom and fladad I highly recommend meeting ADL70. His experience and insight make watching a game with him a pleasurable experience.

I look forward to meeting any/all of the participants on this board.  So who expects to be at the first CWRU game?

I have:

Me
Casefldad
ADL70

Anyone else planning on being there?  Since the game is a night game we should tailgate!

Last year we had at one great tailgate at the roof of the parking lot....In the past two years Coach Deb has recruited a parent of a senior player to coordinate events such as this...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 15, 2013, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: casefldad on August 15, 2013, 10:26:27 PMLast year we had at one great tailgate at the roof of the parking lot....In the past two years Coach Deb has recruited a parent of a senior player to coordinate events such as this...

That sounds like fun. 

On a related note my husband and I are trying to make reservations for Homecoming.  We booked the Ritz Carlton for Friday night but there is very little availability anywhere downtown on Saturday night.  We booked the  Fairfield Inn so that we have a place to stay.  Is there something else going on in Cleveland that weekend?  I checked the NFL schedule and the Browns are at home but I figure most people who go to the Browns game are local.  I'm stumped.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on August 16, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151523009832821&set=vb.162416397820&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151523009832821&set=vb.162416397820&type=2&theater)

Thought everyone might enjoy seeing just a brief glimpse of what all the UAA players are going through this week.  The camaraderie and brotherhood of D3 football is what makes it so worthwhile. Best of luck to everyone for a successful and healthy season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 17, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Back from a lovely beach vacation (with four fellow CMU football alums, some of whom the longer-tenured Case fans may remember, all starters on the 2006-07 teams, composing half the O-line and much of the linebacking corps).

BearFan, once again, welcome.  Please allow me a slightly longer introduction, I played on the offensive line for CMU from 2004-07, and have more-or-less continued to follow the team since.  I just completed graduate school at the University of Pittsburgh, and I will be staying at Pitt and beginning a new faculty position this fall.  Therefore, I still live in Pittsburgh and attend "some" of the CMU home games, although I hope to be better about that this year and make it to all of them.  I also wrote the Kickoff previews for the four UAA squads this year; please purchase and check it out once it's available!

Best of luck to your son this season, and to the Bears in nonconference play.  I think the respective UAA squads return enough good ballplayers to make a good showing outside the conference; the WashU schedule is very tough early but as you said, it softens before conference play, and the Bears ought to have some momentum entering the league if they can make it through the first few games injury-free and with confidence intact!

Also, anyone see the story that former Chicago head man Dick Maloney took the defensive coordinator position at RPI?  Interesting; as noted on the d3football facebook page, this smells a bit like perhaps he didn't leave Chicago as voluntarily as the initial stories made it sound.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 17, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
The timing of Maloney's departure was always suspect.

Let me second the call to purchase Kickoff.  Help support this site.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2013, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 17, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
The timing of Maloney's departure was always suspect.

Let me second the call to purchase Kickoff.  Help support this site.

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http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/08/get-kickoff-2013

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Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 18, 2013, 04:56:00 PM
Just leaving CLE after spending the weekend up here.  Watched the boys practice for three days.  A lot of enthusiasm and some size to go with it.
Can't wait for the first game.
For those looking for a place to stay, I happened to drop by The Glidden House yesterday and was able to get reservations for the Sept. 7 and 28th game (homecoming).
Looking forward to a great season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 18, 2013, 06:11:30 PM
The Glidden House is a favorite of mine!  I stayed there when I visited campus back on 2006.

Sure wish I could attend a game this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 18, 2013, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: casefldad on August 18, 2013, 04:56:00 PM
Just leaving CLE after spending the weekend up here.  Watched the boys practice for three days.  A lot of enthusiasm and some size to go with it.
Can't wait for the first game.
For those looking for a place to stay, I happened to drop by The Glidden House yesterday and was able to get reservations for the Sept. 7 and 28th game (homecoming).
Looking forward to a great season.

You must have gotten the last room at Glidden House for Sept 28!  I just called and they have nothing ???  For Sept 7 we had no problem getting a suite at the Tudor Arms.  We like to stay there when we have the kids because they have a reasonable rate for a suite.  For Homecoming we won't have the younger kids with us so we want to stay downtown so that we don't have to worry about driving after we go out on Sat night.

I just talked to my son and he was excited for the season.  I am very excited for him as he worked very hard to gain some size over the past year.  He has been working with the first team so he thinks he has a chance to get some playing time this season. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 18, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
I'm planning to attend the scrimmage vs BW on Aug 31.  As usual I will PM a report to Spartan faithful.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 20, 2013, 11:54:54 AM
In addition to Glidden House (which seems to fill up fast) and Tudor Arms (which looks like a nice hotel, but is a little far from the football field if you're walking), there is a new Courtyard by Marriot at the corner of Cornell and Euclid.  It is right next to the Uptown Development (along Euclid between E. 115th St. and Mayfield Rd.) which now houses the CWRU bookstore as well as a bunch of places to eat (everything from nice restaurants to bars to fast food) and a grocery store.

I'm planning on being at the first game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 20, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
Jeff

Have you heard anything about alumni tailgate this year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on August 20, 2013, 06:31:57 PM
Watched the Wash-U Bears practice Sunday afternoon.  The defense looks great, and the offense is showing some promise.  Intersquad scrimmage Friday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 21, 2013, 02:57:19 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on August 20, 2013, 11:54:54 AM
In addition to Glidden House (which seems to fill up fast) and Tudor Arms (which looks like a nice hotel, but is a little far from the football field if you're walking), there is a new Courtyard by Marriot at the corner of Cornell and Euclid.  It is right next to the Uptown Development (along Euclid between E. 115th St. and Mayfield Rd.) which now houses the CWRU bookstore as well as a bunch of places to eat (everything from nice restaurants to bars to fast food) and a grocery store.

I'm planning on being at the first game.

We like Tudor Arms when we stay around CWRU with the kids.  The suite is reasonably priced.  We are staying there for the first game.  The don't have any availability for homecoming.  We don't worry about being able to walk anywhere.  We are living in south Florida and people take cars everywhere.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 21, 2013, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on August 20, 2013, 06:31:57 PM
Watched the Wash-U Bears practice Sunday afternoon.  The defense looks great, and the offense is showing some promise.  Intersquad scrimmage Friday.

Thanks for dropping this info.  Based on returnees, I expect that WashU defense to be quite good, possibly borderline-playoff-caliber.  The offense is really the question mark.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 21, 2013, 04:35:39 PM
Updated CWRU roster.  Heights and weights were not updated last year so some of the changes represent two years rather than one.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster

Media Guide

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/files/2013_media_guide_cover_pages.pdf

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/files/2013_media_guide_inside.pdf


Note the mention that ground will be broken in October for the Wyatt Fieldhouse.

Some editing by yours truly.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 21, 2013, 04:47:34 PM

As far as lodging, both Doubletree Lakeside and Marriott Public Square have CWRU special rates.  I know that some parents have stayed at the Intercontinental as well.  All three are supporters of CWRU athletics.

Click on the sponsors' link on the website for details.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 22, 2013, 10:21:00 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 21, 2013, 04:47:34 PM

As far as lodging, both Doubletree Lakeside and Marriott Public Square have CWRU special rates.  I know that some parents have stayed at the Intercontinental as well.  All three are supporters of CWRU athletics.

Click on the sponsors' link on the website for details.

The issue is availability for homecoming.  Is the Marriott Public Square the one downtown?  We stayed there last year but there is no availability for the Saturday night of homecoming.  I think my husband called the Doubletree and there is no availability for Saturday night.  I have called the Glidden House and Tudor Arms and they are also all booked for the Saturday of Homecoming.  There has to be something else going on in Cleveland that weekend for all of the nice hotels to be booked.  CWRU is not a large enough school to take all of the hotel rooms.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 22, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
Enjoyed reading the UAA thread the last few days.  Personally I am sorry to see the end of the games with members of the NCAC.  Wabash - over the years - has had a great playing relationship with WashU ... who always seems to play us tough in clean and hard fought contests.  I wish WashU the best.  The same can be said of Chicago ... whom we played during the UAA/NCAC period.  Their field (while not having a large amount of seating)  was fun ... and there is a City park about a block away which supported a great tailgate.  (Wabash typically travels well and tailgates just as well.)  If memory serves, you have to get a City permit but the College always took care of that.

If you have not played Whitewater at Whitewater ... I recommend going to the game. (Hope it is not later in the season when the weather is iffy.)   The fans are very hospitable and the facilities are outstanding.  A work of caution ... they come to play ... so your best "A game" is a requirement to stay with them.  Someone mentioned Mount ... same is true.  I like the Whitewater facilities better but playing Mount Union is ... well ... playing Mount Union.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 23, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
WashU has always scheduled pretty tough.  They played Mount to open the season a couple times when I was in college, and I think they've played some decent CCIW teams in the past as well.

The NCAC-UAA agreement was a neat thing for both sides, but I think moving on is going to work for all parties.  We've discussed before on the NCAC board what some of the pros and cons are/were.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on August 23, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Rushing offense looks to be ahead of the passing game, at this point of the Wash-U preseason.  Fun to watch the O-line plow deep furrows at Francis Field today.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 24, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
The answer to the homecoming lodging issue may be that the Browns host the Bengals.  Cincinnati fans making the trip up 71?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: criswyly on August 24, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
I've been to Cleveland a number of times for extended business trips and even attended a couple of Indian's games.  So this Linfield fan is excited to see our Cats introduced to Cleveland.  Just sorry that the Spartans won't get to do a return trip to our beautiful Oregon campus.

Linfield's goals are always geared to take the whole enchilada.  Our biggest issue this year is finding a new starting QB.  That alone will make the start of the season more than a little interesting as Linfield tends to be a pass first, run second team.  However, this years edition has a number of proven running backs that will keep any defense honest.

This year's defense has 10 returning starters, which only yielded about 87 yards per game on the ground.

My experience as a fan is that Linfield always wins when they win the turnover battle.

Can't wait to see the Cats and Spartans bring their A game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
Spartans' roster lists a new freshman, Johnathan Mangelluzzi, WR/DB/KR from Mayfield.  Claims a 4.48 40 and 10.9 100 (although I couldn't find any track meet results online).

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2099395/highlights/22708379

In February was listed as a Capital commit, then on pre-season Valparaiso roster.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 26, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
WOW!!!

With those numbers and grades, it's amazing that schools like Stanford and Northwestern weren't recruiting him.

Sounds like a great pick-up!  I hope that he's as fast as advertised!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 01:28:11 PM
Well, I was unable to find anywhere that he even made his all-conference team.  And as I said, no online meet results to verify the 100 time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 26, 2013, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 24, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
The answer to the homecoming lodging issue may be that the Browns host the Bengals.  Cincinnati fans making the trip up 71?

Me and my pop are Browns fans and may do a little double header with the Case game then the Browns game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 26, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
You guys might find this amusing:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 26, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 26, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
You guys might find this amusing:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times

That's fantastic. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 04:24:56 PM
Kinda overkill, to come to a conclusion most of us already knew.

But, +k for posting.

Watched Heritage on ESPN.  What a huge line!  315# 15 y/o!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 26, 2013, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 04:24:56 PM
Kinda overkill, to come to a conclusion most of us already knew.

But, +k for posting.

Watched Heritage on ESPN.  What a huge line!  315# 15 y/o!

Very true, but it is a pretty good anchor before we all get too far in the clouds about all of the new awesome recruits that have arrived on our campuses in the last couple of weeks.  A little perspective and reality is never a bad thing.   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 26, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 04:24:56 PM
Kinda overkill, to come to a conclusion most of us already knew.

I thought the piece was pretty funny.

Quote from: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 04:24:56 PMWatched Heritage on ESPN.  What a huge line!  315# 15 y/o!

He's a big kid!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 26, 2013, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 26, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 26, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
You guys might find this amusing:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times

That's fantastic.

I wonder who is really surprised by these findings.  Not only are the times inflated, quite often, but usually the height and weight as well.  As I look at the incoming rosters at all the UAA schools, one thing is to put down what the young man might have done in high school, another one (and may be quite different) what he will be able to accomplish at this level.
I have read with great surprise some of the bios of my son's teammates in high school and the number and accolades have been totally inflated and completely untrue.
I guess it is all a mind game at the end......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 26, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
WOW!!!

With those numbers and grades, it's amazing that schools like Stanford and Northwestern weren't recruiting him.

Sounds like a great pick-up!  I hope that he's as fast as advertised!

Two other receivers on his team were second team district.  But time will tell.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on August 27, 2013, 01:56:33 AM
Looking at the film I think he does a good job going after the ball to make catches. I don't see the separation you would expect someone with that speed to have, to me it looked like the db's bit on fakes when he was wide open. I actually was most impressed with his coverage as a db.

IMHO, kids don't need to put music in the background of their film. And 6 minutes and change is 3 minutes too long. Show your best work and leave the coaches wanting to see more.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 27, 2013, 06:58:25 AM
Gang,

I couldn't help but post this.

In Washington Monthly's latest college rankings (which rank schools based on service, upward mobility, and research), CWRU ranked #4 in the country, and BY FAR the highest among UAA schools, and Division III schools.

Read on.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings_2013/national_university_rank.php
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: casefldad on August 26, 2013, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 26, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on August 26, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
You guys might find this amusing:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times

That's fantastic.

I wonder who is really surprised by these findings.  Not only are the times inflated, quite often, but usually the height and weight as well.  As I look at the incoming rosters at all the UAA schools, one thing is to put down what the young man might have done in high school, another one (and may be quite different) what he will be able to accomplish at this level.
I have read with great surprise some of the bios of my son's teammates in high school and the number and accolades have been totally inflated and completely untrue.

I'm surprised that they've inflated actual in-game statistics and accolades that can be verified; I found that most of my teammates were generally truthful when it came to things like that.  I'm not at all surprised about the 40 times (although I'm still amused by the article, thanks for posting).  I don't take any 40 times from high school seriously, but as wally said, it's probably still good to do this sort of "study" once in a while just for perspective.  This stuff is annoying because it has inflated expectations for all, so now any high school kid claims to run a 4.5 or 4.6 because they've read in the paper how everyone else does, and their coach knows it's recruiting suicide to admit that the kid can only run 4.8, so everyone nods and winks at the kid's hand-timed 40 from gym class as his actual 40 time.

I bet that some of the linemen actually DID get slightly slower in the 40 because some of those kids might be 60 pounds heavier by the NFL combine than they were in high school.  Much more telling, IMO, is the number of "4.4" or "4.5" guys in high school who couldn't duplicate that at the end of their college career.

casefldad, I think it's fair to list all of the accolades of your incoming freshmen (assuming that they are truthful) because that stuff all looks good on the website and publicity is a big thing in D-3 recruiting, you need stuff that sounds good on the website and listing your all-state recruits certainly qualifies.  To be sure, they are no guarantee of success in college, but what really IS, then?  Some all-state kids will crap out in college and some kids that were merely "decent" in high school will blossom in college. 

It's sillier when heights, weights, and 40 times are exaggerated...but I was part of the problem in this case (and it was only made worse once I actually GOT to college).  I was listed at "6'1" and "260" in the program at CMU for my junior and senior season.  Both numbers were rather generous (5'11" and 235ish was more accurate).  However, we couldn't admit that we started an offensive tackle who was smaller than our fullback and linebackers!  Plus, I wore a giant neck roll that added a good 15 pounds to my appearance :P
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
I too was more impressed with his defensive highlights.

FWIW, I understand that CWRU's roster weights and measures come from the training staff from the preseason physicals.  Of course that doesn't mean the coaches don't influence those numbers.  What I did find interesting was the players who have gotten taller.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
Kickoff is out.  Hope all regulars have purchased.

As a tease, one of the "gurus" has picked CWRU for a B bid.  All that's needed is to play Linfield close and beat Trinity, WashU, and not get upset.

Another picks WUStL.  Their path, Whitewater close, beat Coe, CWRU, and Rhodes.  And not get upset.  Tougher road, it seems to me, though might make it with close loss to Coe as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
If you look at how we project Coe this year ... that is a winnable game. I believe the voters tied our hands in making them preseason Top 25 -- Keith and I would not have projected them there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 02:03:49 PM
Is 8-2, 5-2 your and Keith's projection?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 27, 2013, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
Kickoff is out.  Hope all regulars have purchased.

As a tease, one of the "gurus" has picked CWRU for a B bid.  All that's needed is to play Linfield close and beat Trinity, WashU, and not get upset.

Another picks WUStL.  Their path, Whitewater close, beat Coe, CWRU, and Rhodes.  And not get upset.  Tougher road, it seems to me, though might make it with close loss to Coe as well.

Hmmm...seems optimistic.  There are two more pool B's this year, but a lot more teams.  I think you can plug Wesley in to one of those.  I think somebody in the MASCAC is going to go through with zero or one loss and gets one.  That leaves CWRU battling with the rest of the UAA, the SCAC (Trinity...who has a manageable schedule), the SAA, and the Indies (probably not a threat) for the last one.  CWRU is losing to Linfield and it isn't going to be close (totally different ballgame that they play up there in the top 4).  While two losses might be good enough for somebody to get that spot, CWRU's second loss (if it happens) is most likely going to happen to somebody CWRU is in direct competition with for that last Pool B (Trinity, WUStl, CMU).  I would guess that CWRU's path to the tournament is going to require an 8-1 record.  That roadie at Frostburg State (http://d3football.com/seasons/2012/boxscores/20120915_78kh.xml) probably isn't a gimme either now that I think about it. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 27, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 27, 2013, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
Kickoff is out.  Hope all regulars have purchased.

As a tease, one of the "gurus" has picked CWRU for a B bid.  All that's needed is to play Linfield close and beat Trinity, WashU, and not get upset.

Another picks WUStL.  Their path, Whitewater close, beat Coe, CWRU, and Rhodes.  And not get upset.  Tougher road, it seems to me, though might make it with close loss to Coe as well.

Hmmm...seems optimistic.  There are two more pool B's this year, but a lot more teams.  I think you can plug Wesley in to one of those.  I think somebody in the MASCAC is going to go through with zero or one loss and gets one.  That leaves CWRU battling with the rest of the UAA, the SCAC (Trinity...who has a manageable schedule), the SAA, and the Indies (probably not a threat) for the last one.  CWRU is losing to Linfield and it isn't going to be close (totally different ballgame that they play up there in the top 4).  While two losses might be good enough for somebody to get that spot, CWRU's second loss (if it happens) is most likely going to happen to somebody CWRU is in direct competition with for that last Pool B (Trinity, WUStl, CMU).  I would guess that CWRU's path to the tournament is going to require an 8-1 record.  That roadie at Frostburg State (http://d3football.com/seasons/2012/boxscores/20120915_78kh.xml) probably isn't a gimme either now that I think about it.

Great breakdown, as I am most likely traveling to Cleveland the weekend of the 28th, I am hoping for at least a good game and with luck, may see a game similar to that of UW-W and Buff St. of last year. I agree, Case is no lock to go 8-1, they have to be focused and play up to their potential week in and week out to get that record. Also, that Trinity vs. Case game is possible elimination game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 02:26:05 PM
I thought that was what I said, save I doubt Linfield will be close as well.  But maybe they aren't a morning team.

I only see Oberlin and Puget Sound as gimmes.  I wouldn't be surprised if any of the rest went either way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
I think the picks accurately represent the UAA schools' respective chances.  1/6 picked Case and 1/6 picked WashU.  With the expansion of Pool B for this strange bubble year, someone has to get in, and while wally has broken down the most likely scenarios for Pool B, funny things can always happen (a la UWW going 7-3 last year...what if Wesley drops two of their first three? They are breaking in a new QB and they open the season with a couple toughies - certainly I still think they are favored, but it's conceivable that they'll lose one or more of those early games) and I think the UAA does have a puncher's chance of grabbing a B bid.

I made this comment earlier but I genuinely believe that WashU has a borderline-playoff-caliber defense.  If they survive the UWW game with confidence intact, I do think they have a chance in every game from there on, Coe included, because of that defense.  Sure, I think it's more likely that they'll end up about 4-3 entering conference play, but 6-1 is a possibility, and from there a berth is within reach.

Case, likewise, has one apparent "guaranteed loss" on the schedule in Linfield plus one other really good team in Trinity and a couple other sorta-toss-ups.  Same comment as above: I think CWRU is more likely to be 4-2 entering conference play, but 5-1 is possible, and from there a berth is within reach.

I know it's a bit of homer-ism, but I think CMU has just as good a chance at a Pool B as CWRU and WashU by virtue of the easier nonconference schedule.  With the possible exception of the game against Mercer (which, in theory, should not factor into any playoff discussion), I think CMU could be favored in every nonconference game.  Grove City is ranked higher than CMU in Kickoff, but the Tartans beat them in 2012 (although that is really a toss-up game IMO).  Ditto Allegheny.  CMU beat Catholic easily last year, and then Geneva, St. Vincent, and Westminster were in the PAC basement last season.  Again, it's no lock that CMU runs the table nonconference, but nor is it impossible, and from there, all bets are off in the conference slate.

Incredibly, best-case scenario, three UAA teams will enter conference play with 1 loss or fewer.  That's a pretty small chance, but it's at least conceivable in my mind, and it would make for a heck of a conference season.  Even if all have 1-2 losses, that would be pretty cool.  Dammit, WashU, prove me right!

I think we're in for an interesting season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 27, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
I think the picks accurately represent the UAA schools' respective chances.  1/6 picked Case and 1/6 picked WashU.  With the expansion of Pool B for this strange bubble year, someone has to get in, and while wally has broken down the most likely scenarios for Pool B, funny things can always happen (a la UWW going 7-3 last year...what if Wesley drops two of their first three? They are breaking in a new QB and they open the season with a couple toughies - certainly I still think they are favored, but it's conceivable that they'll lose one or more of those early games) and I think the UAA does have a puncher's chance of grabbing a B bid.

I went into last year thinking that 2012 was the year that we were going to see a non-AQ league team get a Pool C bid.  Wesley!  Huntingdon!  Trinity!  Birmingham-Southern!  All fantastic teams...what I didn't count on was that they would totally consume each other in h2h play.  You can kind of see the same thing coming for CWRU.  They have the UAA teams, two of which I think are direct competition for Pool B and Trinity all on the schedule.  They have to win all of those games or be doomed to sit behind one of them in the pecking order, and there just isn't room to be behind anybody in the pecking order.  Unless the MASCAC eats itself out of a bid, in which case there might be two available after Wesley. 

On Wesley...that schedule is nasty.  Nobody has five games on the schedule like Wesley does...and Wesley does it all in a row.  Brutal.  Wesley might go 2-1 in that first three (that game in Belton is going to be ridiculous) or even 1-2 but I think they are going to bludgeon the rest of pool B with so much SOS that they can take 2 losses and be plenty safe to get one of the three invitations. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: K-Mack on August 27, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
We got us a real live UAA expert for Kickoff this year. If no one else appreciates it, I hope the regulars here do.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 27, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
I think the picks accurately represent the UAA schools' respective chances.  1/6 picked Case and 1/6 picked WashU.  With the expansion of Pool B for this strange bubble year, someone has to get in, and while wally has broken down the most likely scenarios for Pool B, funny things can always happen (a la UWW going 7-3 last year...what if Wesley drops two of their first three? They are breaking in a new QB and they open the season with a couple toughies - certainly I still think they are favored, but it's conceivable that they'll lose one or more of those early games) and I think the UAA does have a puncher's chance of grabbing a B bid.

I went into last year thinking that 2012 was the year that we were going to see a non-AQ league team get a Pool C bid.  Wesley!  Huntingdon!  Trinity!  Birmingham-Southern!  All fantastic teams...what I didn't count on was that they would totally consume each other in h2h play.  You can kind of see the same thing coming for CWRU.  They have the UAA teams, two of which I think are direct competition for Pool B and Trinity all on the schedule.  They have to win all of those games or be doomed to sit behind one of them in the pecking order, and there just isn't room to be behind anybody in the pecking order.  Unless the MASCAC eats itself out of a bid, in which case there might be two available after Wesley. 

On Wesley...that schedule is nasty.  Nobody has five games on the schedule like Wesley does...and Wesley does it all in a row.  Brutal.  Wesley might go 2-1 in that first three (that game in Belton is going to be ridiculous) or even 1-2 but I think they are going to bludgeon the rest of pool B with so much SOS that they can take 2 losses and be plenty safe to get one of the three invitations.

I agree with you.  I was just playing devil's advocate, as they say, pointing out that a 33 percent chance of a UAA team grabbing a Pool B berth sounds about right.  Exactly how that happens is a matter of guesswork, but one of the possible scenarios that could allow such a thing is Wesley struggling early and slipping to 7-3 overall.

I do think that a UAA representative can get there without Wesley slipping, as the third team behind Wesley and the likely MASCAC rep.  CWRU beating Trinity will be crucial for whoever the UAA hopeful is in that regard.  I'd think 9-1 CMU, 8-1 CWRU, or 9-1/8-2 WashU would have a very good chance at the third Pool B berth if any of those scenarios come to fruition.  Any of them is a longshot, but all are at least conceivable IMO.

edited to add: I also agree with you re: the B/C situation from last year.  In October, I thought, with all those decent B teams, at least one would make a dent in Pool C...until I realized that they all played each other H2H (which stands to reason, they have to play somebody, in essence Pool B just was its own "conference" last year).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2013, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on August 27, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
We got us a real live UAA expert for Kickoff this year. If no one else appreciates it, I hope the regulars here do.

"Expert" might be too generous.  UAA "alum" is a more accurate description :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2013, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on August 27, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
We got us a real live UAA expert for Kickoff this year. If no one else appreciates it, I hope the regulars here do.

Yes we do.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 28, 2013, 07:45:31 AM
First...if you haven't bought Kickoff yet...GET IT.  I'm posting a few things here as a teaser, since it doesn't seem fair to list everything for those who haven't bought, but a few conversation points:

Kickoff rankings of the four UAA teams:

1) WashU (#101)
2) Case (#108)
3) CMU (#132)
4) Chicago (#169)

I have to admit that I think these are a bit low overall; I'm a bit of a homer but I have always thought the UAA schools are a LITTLE closer to Top 25 caliber than this.  I think the conference champion is usually in the top 50-75 teams in the Division in any given year, but admittedly WashU winning the conference after a "meh" nonconference record last year probably makes it seem that the UAA is on a bit of a downswing after a strong run of playoff teams from 2006-2009.  I'm especially miffed to see CMU ranked behind a couple of teams they beat last year (Grove City, Allegheny) and a few other teams that, let's say, I have serious doubts would beat CMU head to head.  However, ranking all 244 is never going to be perfect and there are lots of confusing score triangles to resolve, I'm sure.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 29, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Thanks to the UAA representation, I just bought my first Kickoff.  Thanks for your contributions, XTP!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 29, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
For anyone that's interested, Case is doing the Alumni Tailgates again this year, although the price has now gone up to $15 (which still includes the game ticket).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 06:36:10 PM
From the updated roster

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster?sort=number

It appears that it will be a 3-man front on the DL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 30, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 06:36:10 PM
From the updated roster

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster?sort=number

It appears that it will be a 3-man front on the DL.

Sorry, not clear to me.  Can you expand on your comment?
BTW, I asked Nick Minerd and we won't be able to see any of the scrimmage tomorrow.  I had figured that, BUT was hoping.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Roster lists 12 DE  4 NG  no DT     hence, I conclude 3-man DL    poss 3-5-3 that was run in 2008

If you mean scrimmage streaming video  Won't be

I will be at the scrimmage and will PM a report to you and other Spartan faithful.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 30, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Roster lists 12 DE  4 NG  no DT     hence, I conclude 3-man DL    poss 3-5-3 that was run in 2008

If you mean scrimmage streaming video  Won't be

I will be at the scrimmage and will PM a report to you and other Spartan faithful.

That would be great.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 30, 2013, 11:46:07 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Roster lists 12 DE  4 NG  no DT     hence, I conclude 3-man DL    poss 3-5-3 that was run in 2008

If you mean scrimmage streaming video  Won't be

I will be at the scrimmage and will PM a report to you and other Spartan faithful.

Thanks for the clarification and also for the report tomorrow....
Hope we play hard and no injuries....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on August 31, 2013, 08:11:09 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 30, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Roster lists 12 DE  4 NG  no DT     hence, I conclude 3-man DL    poss 3-5-3 that was run in 2008

If you mean scrimmage streaming video  Won't be

I will be at the scrimmage and will PM a report to you and other Spartan faithful.

Thanks, ADL!  I wish I could make it up there as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
Spartan fans, check your PM.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 01, 2013, 05:46:52 PM
Wash-U had a very productive scrimmage at home vs. Greenville Saturday morning.  After a 10-10 1st quarter, Wash-U scored the next 4 TDs to end the first half with a 38-10 lead...then, the Bears added 3 more TDs in the 3rd quarter before I left (My 11-year-old son was with me, and he was tired after hanging with me for a high school game the night before).

Greenville did have some success with quick-hitting option-read runs and passes in the 1st quarter, but Wash-U outgained Greenville 185-0 in 2nd quarter. QB Eric Daginella tossed 2 TD passes (10, 51) and totaled 130 yards in the 2nd quarter.  The Bears also had an INT return for a TD by Andrew Skalman, a punt block TD by Peter Lowery, and a TD run by Mitchell Shelby in the first half.  PK Alex Hallwachs added a 46-yard FG as well.

The defense has playmakers at every level--the d-line, LBs and secondary are all swarming and making contributions.  They'll need to swarm mightily next Saturday at Whitewater, but overall the Bears are significantly ahead of last year's squad--especially on the offensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 02, 2013, 03:55:55 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 31, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
Spartan fans, check your PM.

Can you PM me or post a summary?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 02, 2013, 07:33:13 AM
Thanks for the summary, jaybird.  I expect the Bears to be much better than last year's 5-5 record; that was a very good team by season's end & they bring back a lot on that defense.  Offense is where I'd expect them to need some progress, so Daginella hitting a few TD passes is good news for WashU fans.  Any semblance of a running game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2013, 08:06:31 AM
CWRU scrimmaged BW.  The 1s and 2s played a regular half.  The score was 27-14 BW.

Beecher and Olson each led a touchdown drive and an interception.  Beecher's was a pick 6.  QBs wore red jerseys, so Beecher didn't run any.  Threw a 10 yd TD to Lapcevic.  Olson missed a TD pass by a yard.  The mysterious Johnny M caught two long passes and showed speed on a long KOR.  O was hampered by holding penalties.

BW had three passing TDs.  Spartan run D was fine, pass D needs work.

Riordan was ripping off 5-7 yd runs.  Sicre took a helmet hit early and didn't return.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2013, 08:20:52 AM
Quote from: E.115 on September 02, 2013, 03:55:55 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 31, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
Spartan fans, check your PM.

Can you PM me or post a summary?

Look for PM
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2013, 12:46:25 PM
On the OAC Pick-em Board

CWRU is a 15.5 pt favorite
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 02, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
Thanks for the update!

Given that we struggled against Marietta last year, I suspect that it will be close.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
Marietta completed 4 passes 25+ yards each last year.  QB and 2 receivers who caught them are back.  They also had two long passes called back.

Pass D needs to step up.  Their O line gave up a lot of sacks so good rush may be the answer.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 02, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
What's your sense of how the offense will operate? Will they rotate qb's or will Beecher be the primary guy with Olson playing in passing situations? One way to win would be long, time consuming drives to keep the defense off the field.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
As you suggest, I like Beecher being the main guy for ball control.  But no idea what Debs is thinking. During the scrimmage there was no intra-series QB substitution, except during the "hurry up" drill, when Beecher started out and Olson took over in the red zone, when clock was under 45 secs.  He just missed a TD to Albers, when on a fade, he led too far outside and Albers' foot came down on the sideline.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 02, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
ExTartanPlayer, I am hoping/expecting improvement in the running game.  Four starting O-linemen are back, and the new starter (Matt Yurescko, 6-2, 300, sophomore) has been very good in the preseason.  An impressive freshman lurks as a reserve OT--Drew Pikey (6-5, 300).  Pikey plays with an edge, not afraid to scuffle with older players in practice and in the intersquad scrimmage two weeks ago.  He will see plenty of playing time.

Wash-U ran the ball 6 times for 47 yards in the 2nd quarter in the scrimmage vs. Greenville.  John Hagemann and Zach Lonneman both run hard and get the tough yards, and Mitchell Shelby adds speed to the perimeter.  While it would be great to have a workhorse 1,000+ yard rusher to lean on, I like this "RB by committee".  The Bears will have fresher legs late in games, which may translate to securing a win or two that got away from them late in games last year.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on September 02, 2013, 11:51:35 PM
I would agree that the Bears looked good on Saturday but Greenville wasn't exactly sharp so one can't read too much into the scrimmage.  I agree with Jaybird that  the offense looked good both passing and running - I think the running game should be stronger than last year and will need to be to allow the play action passing game to work.  Defense had its moments but is a little banged up.  Hopefully everyone gets back to health this week and we are at full strength for what will certainly be a challenge at Whitewater.  Game notes are posted on the WashU site http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Documents/Whitewater.pdf (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Documents/Whitewater.pdf)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2013, 01:07:16 PM
Marietta game notes:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201309033k98ct

CWRU now has a player from Hawai'i and one from Alaska.  Are there any non-west coast schools that can say that?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on September 04, 2013, 07:24:36 PM
Not the same, but in the NCAC Allegheny's roster shows a player from Israel, and Wooster's one from Bermuda.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
Quote from: sigma one on September 04, 2013, 07:24:36 PM
Not the same, but in the NCAC Allegheny's roster shows a player from Israel, and Wooster's one from Bermuda.

WashU has three from Hawai'i.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 04, 2013, 09:45:48 PM
The UAA schools are all schools that attract students from all over the country.  I think it is surprising that there aren't more football players from outside the Midwest given that the student body comes from all over the place.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
While Ohio and Pa (mostly Western) equally account for slightly more than half the squad, fifteen other states are represented on the current squad, with Florida (mostly from last year's recruits) and Illinois having the next highest representation.

The only states that I can recall not having any players in the past 4-5 years are, ME, RI, DE, KY!, TN, SC, AL, MS, LA, AR, IA, ND, SD, NE, KS, WY, ID, NM, and NV.


Should we try to have a posters meet and greet Saturday about 6:30, say at the top of the stands on the NE corner (scoreboard end)?

I'm a stocky gray beard and will probably be wearing a two-tone blue and white striped shirt.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2013, 03:27:46 PM
Debs at PAC Media Day

http://pacsportsnetwork.blogspot.com/2013/08/pac-football-media-day-case-western.html

AD Diles leaving for VMI.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/genrel/diles_vmi
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 06, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 05, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
While Ohio and Pa (mostly Western) equally account for slightly more than half the squad, fifteen other states are represented on the current squad, with Florida (mostly from last year's recruits) and Illinois having the next highest representation.

The only states that I can recall not having any players in the past 4-5 years are, ME, RI, DE, KY!, TN, SC, AL, MS, LA, AR, IA, ND, SD, NE, KS, WY, ID, NM, and NV.


Should we try to have a posters meet and greet Saturday about 6:30, say at the top of the stands on the NE corner (scoreboard end)?

I'm a stocky gray beard and will probably be wearing a two-tone blue and white striped shirt.

I will see you there!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 06, 2013, 10:07:28 AM
The first Friday of the D-3 football season...what a great day.  Not sure about the rest of you, but Pittsburgh has absolutely stunning autumn weather right now, it feels so much like football season that I can barely handle it.  Let's take a look at the UAA season openers, shall we?

Carnegie Mellon at Grove City: Probably the most competitive of the season openers.  Long-running series that seems to produce a close game every year between two modestly-successful programs.  CMU has won the last four years...but none by more than a touchdown.  Last year's game between two eventual 6-win teams came down to a fourth-quarter touchdown bomb from Kalkstein to Tim Kikta.  Both of them are back and I think CMU's passing offense will continue its production from last season and carry the day.  Tartans by a whisker.  Not sure of the final score but I bet it's a one-score game.

Marietta at Case Western: Surprisingly close game last year between the two considering that Marietta finished the season 0-10.  I'm not ambitious enough to look up the Marietta preview to try to figure out what they have back and if they're likely to be better this year.  I'll just trust the Spartans, who I have projected to win 6 games, to be good enough to beat the OAC's likely cellar dweller.  Case 27-14.

Washington University at UW-Whitewater: Oh, gee, that's all?  Just taking on the 2009-2011 national champions, pissed-off about last year's disappointing 7-3 record?  Truth be told, this game will probably have a closer score than many suspect because WashU's defense is really, really good (I've been beating that drum all preseason) and UWW's strength has usually been more on defense than offense.  I could see this being a "competitive" game on the scoreboard that WashU never really threatens to WIN, but their defense is good enough (and UWW's offense 'mediocre' enough, using that term loosely because it is still quite good) that I can see this being about 17-0 Whitewater.

Chicago at Beloit: On one hand, Chicago is playing with a new coach and a somewhat undermanned roster.  On the other hand, they do return a fair amount of experience on defense and at QB, they beat Beloit last year, and Beloit finished last season 0-10.  I'll take the Maroons 21-6.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2013, 11:30:53 AM
New unis for CMU: black jerseys, gray pants, light gray helmet with Scottie Dog

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130904vyewyc
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 06, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 06, 2013, 11:30:53 AM
New unis for CMU: black jerseys, gray pants, light gray helmet with Scottie Dog

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/roster

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130904vyewyc

I always hope for tartan pants. It never seems to happen. I'm assuming a tartan helmet would be pretty darn expensive...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Feature on Scott Campbell, CWRU LB.

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2013/contrib/20130906d56vcz
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
Wash-U drives 75 yards on its first drive of the game early in the 1st quarter for a TD and a 7-0 lead.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 01:45:35 PM
11:54 left in 2nd quarter, Wash-U still leads at Whitewater 7-0.  Defensive struggle, Wash-U has converted 5 of 6 3rd-down opportunities, but have been pinned deep in its side of the field since the TD drive.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
Wash-U goes into the halftime locker room leading 7-0 at #9 Whitewater.  Defense has been as stout as advertised in the preseason.  Whitewater's defense is also tough.  First couple of series for both team in the 3rd quarter could dictate how the 2nd half unfolds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 07, 2013, 02:15:12 PM
WashU still leads UWW at half. Even if the Warhawks are not what they once were, this would still be the biggest nonconference win for the UAA in a while! Come on Bears!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 07, 2013, 02:17:43 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
Wash-U goes into the halftime locker room leading 7-0 at #9 Whitewater.  Defense has been as stout as advertised in the preseason.  Whitewater's defense is also tough.  First couple of series for both team in the 3rd quarter could dictate how the 2nd half unfolds.

I've been banging the "Wash U has a playoff caliber defense" drum since I did my kickoff research & took a close look at what they brought back (and how good that defense was down the stretch last year!).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
My concern is whether the Wash-U defense eventually gets worn down as the 2nd half goes on.  Warhawks convert another 4th down to WashU 43...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
Wash-U holds, and is driving near midfield with the offense.  2 first downs will give the defense a chance to get a breather.  Big 3rd and 9 coming up for the Bears.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:46:21 PM
Holding penalty on a first-down Daginella scramble eventually forces a punt.  That hurts...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
Still 7-0 Wash-U, under 5 minutes to play in 3rd quarter.  May come down to a big play or two to decide this one.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 02:55:21 PM
Wash-U starts inside WW 45 after a short punt...Bears gotta take advantage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 03:09:35 PM
Still 7-0 entering 4th quarter...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 07, 2013, 03:10:52 PM
Come on bears!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 07, 2013, 06:20:35 PM
Tremendous performance by Wash-U in a 17-7 loss at Whitewater this afternoon.  To be 7-3 ahead midway through the final quarter against the #9 team says a lot about the grit and the improvement of the squad from last season.  I was hoping to get a couple of Alex Hallwachs FG opportunities, but kudos to the Whitewater defense for preventing that from happening.  All in all, a very exciting start to the season, with the home opener vs. Rhodes next Saturday!  Rhodes won 24-21 in overtime against Austin, so it will be a fun game next week with two longtime non-conference rivals facing each other again!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 08, 2013, 09:15:21 AM
Gang,

I realize that we were playing Marietta, but compared to last year's opener against the same team, we're showing SIGNIFICANT improvement.

Last year, we barely beat those guys.  This year, we dominated them from start to finish.

Even our defense, which was supposed to be in a MAJOR rebuilding phase, had a GREAT game with the starters totally dominating.  Not until we pulled the starters and brought in the back-ups did Marietta get a TD.

If it's true that a team improves the most between games one and two, then we should have no trouble next week against Oberlin. 

Of course, our true tests are going to be against people like Linfield and Trinity.  I obviously don't expect us to dominate them in similar fashion, but we might at least be able to play respectably now.  Let's hope!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 08, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
We were very excited to be at last night's game!  It was great to meet new people.  I thought the guys played great, especially the young and inexperienced defense.  I am looking forward to watching next week's game.  I wish I could be there in person, but that is not going to happen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2013, 10:03:19 PM
Well, it was Marietta, with a first-time head coach and QB (started ahead of QB whose first start was vs CWRU last year), but the Super Soph D, acquitted itself very well.  And the offense that was inconsistent last season, was hitting on all cylinders (6-6 in red zone with 5 TDs), despite an untested receiving corps, all but one of whom had not had a collegiate reception.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 09, 2013, 08:47:41 AM
Good start for all the UAA teams except CMU, in my opinion. 

CWRU - comes up with a nice win and some good-looking offense against the dregs of the OAC.  Looks like Beecher and Olson will both see action for now.

Chicago - any win has to be a success with a new coach named so late in the game.  Shutout is a nice touch.  Beloit's not very good either, but still, a good start for the Maroons.

WashU - even if UWW is no longer the Stagg Bowl power that they were from 2005-2011, leading the Warhawks deep into the game is very impressive.  Their defense is as good as I've been saying; the two touchdowns they gave up came on short fields after turnovers or special teams mistakes.  Holding UWW scoreless for three quarters is darned good.

CMU - yuck.  Moved the ball but couldn't finish drives.  Defense struggled.  More competitive game than the score suggests, but you have got to finish when you get into the opposition's territory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
Agree with you XTP.

One thing I didn't mention was that Beecher threw the ball very well (not all dinks and dunks) and only ran four times.

Looking ahead to Sunday, here's Oberlin's preview:
http://www.goyeo.com/news/2013/9/4/FB_0904135803.aspx

Spartans going for 29th consecutive win against the Yeomen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on September 09, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
Quick follow-up from Whitewater.  Two very good defensive teams on display.  Wash U's first drive was an impressive mix of run and pass, but they couldn't do much of anything after that even when they had good field position.  Wash U defense was equally impressive keeping UWW outside the Wash U 40 until the fourth quarter.  In the stands, you could sense that the Wash U offense needed to string together some first downs to give the defense a breather on a warm day as the game got into the fourth quarter.  Unfortunately that didn't happen and the field position turned on the punt interference call and then the fumbled punt.  A great effort by the Bears and certainly something to build on, but it all means nothing unless they come home and take care of Rhodes on Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 09, 2013, 11:33:30 AM
Hardly qualifies as a good excuse given the lopsided final score, but CMU was missing guard Nathan Cheek and tight end Bryce Pardoe (according to participation report - I did not watch the game, was just following the stats online).  Given that Cheek was a preseason all-american and Pardoe is a returning starter and solid blocker, that could explain some of CMU's offensive struggles. 

Thanks for the follow-up, BearFan, your recap is basically what I'd surmised.  Strong effort from the WashU defense but needed juuuust a little bit more from the offense.  Hopefully the Bears can deliver another good effort against Rhodes and get some positive inertia going!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 09, 2013, 09:04:11 PM
CWRU highlights vs Marietta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5O5A988TRU&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 09, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 09, 2013, 09:04:11 PM
CWRU highlights vs Marietta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5O5A988TRU&feature=player_embedded

Great effort by the team.  I was very pleasantly surprised by the defense.  The soph linebackers were excellent as well as the other defenders.  I also thought that Eric and Billy threw the ball really well.  Although Marietta may not be the strongest team we play, this game can only be a positive for the team from a confidence perspective.
Great game, as well as a great turnout and a well done job by the participants in the tail gate. Great food and plenty of it (too much really!).
I'll be up again for Homecoming but will be watching next week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 10, 2013, 07:27:26 PM
On a non-athletic note, the USNEWS undergraduate rankings are out, and the "Egghead Eight" once again illustrated why it can legitimately claim to be the "Ivy League" of Division III.  Here are the rankings of UAA members:

Chicago #5
WashU-St. Louis #14
Emory #20
Carnegie-Mellon #23
Brandeis #32
NYU #32
Rochester #32
CWRU #37

And consider this: the UAA remains the ONLY intercollegiate sports conference in the country in which ALL of the conference's members are also members of the prestigious Association of American Universities (even the Ivy League and Big Ten fall one member short in that regard).

You see, that's what I like about the UAA.  It's college athletics in an idealized form, where athletic and academic excellent are not mutually exclusive, and where college athletics serves as a compliment to academic/student life.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on September 12, 2013, 04:12:32 PM
Washington U. hosts Rhodes College Saturday at 1 p.m. in its home opener. Check out the preview: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb9-10-13.aspx.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 12, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Thanks mck.  I am eager to see how the Bears do on the heels of an "impressive loss" to UWW.
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Post by: E.115 on September 13, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 09, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
Agree with you XTP.

One thing I didn't mention was that Beecher threw the ball very well (not all dinks and dunks) and only ran four times.

Looking ahead to Sunday, here's Oberlin's preview:
http://www.goyeo.com/news/2013/9/4/FB_0904135803.aspx

Spartans going for 29th consecutive win against the Yeomen.

Two more previews from Case:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201309111bqydv

http://observer.case.edu/after-opening-victory-spartans-to-take-on-oberlin/

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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 07:52:24 AM
I will be at the CMU-Allegheny game today. Will post detailed write up a day or two after the game.
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Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2013, 11:54:29 AM
Here's my take on the weekend games.

Allegheny @ CMU  Last week Tartans gained yards, but couldn't get may points and gave up 28.  Meanwhile the Gators were just awful.         Tartans by 10

Chicago @ Concordia-Chi  Close game last year, should be again.  Toss up, either team could win by seven or less.

Rhodes @ Washington-StL  Bears played Whitewater tough last week, but the Lynx have been a bit of a nemesis, beating them in low scoring games.  The Bears could have a letdown, but I'm hoping not.  Bears by 3

CWRU @ Oberlin  Yeomen lost in overtime last year, but lost a ton of playmakers and haven't played yet this season.  27.5 is the line on the NCAC pick-em, but Debs will call off the dogs if it is a route after 3.  CWRU by 21

Waiting for tomorrow's game, I'll see how may streams my computer can keep up.  Will be watching the UAA games plus Linfield, Trinity, Puget Sound, and check on a few others.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
0-0 through first quarter in Pittsburgh. Defense has bent a couple times but ultimately held. Offense just drove 70 yards but got intercepted in endzone following holding penalty on 2nd and goal. Considering how bad Gheny was last week, this is not a terribly inspiring effort from CMU thus far, unless Kenyon is a playoff team this year.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 01:45:03 PM
Tartans on the board 7-0 after nice methodical wing-T drive.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
Gheny hits Hail Mary on last play of first half. 7-7. Ugh.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
CMU up 19-7 in 4th. We'll survive but it wasn't pretty. Nonetheless a W is what we needed here.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 14, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
Looks like WashU is heading to OT with Rhodes. D came up with interception in their own territory late in 4th qtr tied at 7.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 14, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
Both teams miss FGs on first possessions in OT.

Chicago beat Concordia 23-13

WashU wins 10-7

CMU final was 26-7
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
Terrible video for the Case game!  The audio is not coming through either.  What I have been able to see, up to this point Case has had not been in rhythm.  A couple of good plays, but no continuity. 
We get the ball starting the 2nd half so we still have time, only down by 7.

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Post by: ADL70 on September 15, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
Give Oberlin the credit.  They controlled both lines.
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Post by: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 03:20:19 PM
Wow....no way to explain it, other than Case was outplayed in every facet of the game (except in kicking) and were NEVER in the game.  No offense, no defense, no throwing and no rushing.....
Very disappointing, especially in light of the teams we are playing in the future.  This was 'supposed' to be an easy game......
A lot of work to be done for the next game.
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Post by: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 03:22:34 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 15, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
Give Oberlin the credit.  They controlled both lines.
True enough, Oberlin played a great game........ Given that I'm a Case fan it is easy to focus on Case's inadequacies BUT Oberlin played great and my congrats to them......[/size]
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 15, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
Oy. I have a ton of respect for what Oberlin has done with a short roster but that is still a yucky loss for Case. Relative to each team's expectations, I think Chicago and WashU should be happy thus far.
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Post by: BearFan on September 15, 2013, 04:28:35 PM
Some observations from St. Louis yesterday.  Wash U offense still struggling.  They ran the ball well yesterday, especially some big runs in the fourth to get the tying touchdown and then a 15 yd. run on 3rd and long in the second OT to set up a much easier winning field goal.  Passing game was out of sync all day.

Defense looked good again, but gave up a 99 yd drive for the one Rhodes touchdown.  Rhodes found some success with a running game in the middle, but the defense was able to stop them when they had to.

Heading to Coe next week, offense has got to step it up for the Bears to have a good chance for a big road win.
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Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 15, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
Overall a very poor showing by Case this afternoon.  I wasn't able to watch the whole game as I had to attend a fall lax game for my youngest.  However, what I did see was not encouraging. 

There are two statistics that stand out to me.  The first is that Case averaged .7 yard per rush and the second is time of possession.  Since I didn't see all of the game I assume that the second statistic is a result of the first.  I don't think tomorrow's film study will be a pleasant experience for any of the players.
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Post by: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 15, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
Overall a very poor showing by Case this afternoon.  I wasn't able to watch the whole game as I had to attend a fall lax game for my youngest.  However, what I did see was not encouraging. 

There are two statistics that stand out to me.  The first is that Case averaged .7 yard per rush and the second is time of possession.  Since I didn't see all of the game I assume that the second statistic is a result of the first.  I don't think tomorrow's film study will be a pleasant experience for any of the players.

31 passes v 15 runs by running backs.  That's the telling tale..
You might have been lucky by not being able to watch the game.  I saw it and it was painful.  Felt really bad for the kids.  Except for the special teams ability to disrupt/block kicks, it appeared that we lost in every other aspect of the game. 
I do have faith in the kids and in Coach Debs' ability to get them ready for Frostburg next week. 
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Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 16, 2013, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
31 passes v 15 runs by running backs.  That's the telling tale..
You might have been lucky by not being able to watch the game.  I saw it and it was painful.  Felt really bad for the kids. 

I saw enough of it to know that it was painful.  At least I had the lax game to distract me.  Plus I couldn't watch while I was driving (2nd Q).  Oh well-my youngest got his first exposure to his new HS lax coach and he played well.  He did not give up a goal, he won a few ground balls and he had some nice clears.

Quote from: casefldad on September 15, 2013, 10:01:12 PMExcept for the special teams ability to disrupt/block kicks, it appeared that we lost in every other aspect of the game. 
I do have faith in the kids and in Coach Debs' ability to get them ready for Frostburg next week.

It certainly appeard that Case was outplayed in every way possible.  I hope they are ready for Frostburg.  I am traveling there to see the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 16, 2013, 06:48:22 AM
Truly GHASTLY performance in all respects.

It's sad to see "the streak" come to an end so ignominiously.

If we play like that the rest of the season, we may not win another game.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 17, 2013, 01:12:23 PM
With everyone two games into the season, I'll throw a grade out there for how each team is performing relative to (reasonable) expectations coming into the season.  This is not a power ranking at all; I'm grading each team compared to their own expectation.

Chicago: A-minus.  With a new coach, I expected the Maroons to struggle coming out of the gate.  Beating Beloit could be expected, but the shutout was nice, and they followed it up with a victory against Concordia-Chicago (a 2012 playoff team, even if they got walloped in the season opener this year).  The offense has been kinda average, but they are getting good production from Ross-Nash and Gaines in the running game and Cortina is an experienced QB.  Best of all is the defense's stellar performance through two games, allowing only 139 yards to Beloit and 253 to Concordia.  We'll know more about the Maroons when they face their first real known quality opponent in Elmhurst.  The Bluejays are not the playoff team of 2012 but are still a solidly middle class program.  A win this week and Chicago makes a quiet move into "Have we all drastically underrated this team?" category.

WashU: B-plus.  The only reason this grade isn't higher is that I have serious concerns about whether WashU has any more capability on offense than what it's already shown.  Their defense is outstanding and will keep them in games against nearly everyone, but sooner or later they'll have to score more than 10 points.

Carnegie Mellon/Case Western: C-minus each.  Both teams have played one pretty good game against mediocre opponents (Allegheny/Marietta) and one really bad game against a team they probably should have beaten (or at least been close to).  Case maybe deserves a little lower grade, even, because Grove City is probably a better team than Oberlin, but I'm not going to split hairs.  The CMU offense found a groove in the second half against Allegheny and now faces a string of decent-but-beatable opponents; Case had better find something against Frostburg State this week, a team that's allowing over 500 yards and 50 points per game, before running into Linfield the following week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 19, 2013, 09:43:27 AM
I was going to attend the Case vs. Linfield game, then the next day Cleveland Browns game. However, I cancelled my trip to Cleveland on the 28th because of the Trent Richardson Trade. It is sad that managment is telling the fans to wait another two years for progress.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 19, 2013, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on September 19, 2013, 09:43:27 AM
I was going to attend the Case vs. Linfield game, then the next day Cleveland Browns game. However, I cancelled my trip to Cleveland on the 28th because of the Trent Richardson Trade. It is sad that managment is telling the fans to wait another two years for progress.

I have mixed feelings about this (and I'm not a Browns fan).  On one hand, it does seem peculiar that the Browns are already a) punting on this season by trading their best young offensive player two weeks into the season and b) giving up on a guy who was the #3 overall pick just two years ago and likely getting back a pick around #20-24 in next year's draft.

On the other hand: running back is by far the easiest position in the NFL to find a quality player; I'm of the opinion that no running back, not even Adrian Peterson, is worth a first-round pick in today's NFL and where the game is heading.  It's far too easy to find a guy who can give you 85% of what the best guy gives you, often at less than a third of the price.  The Browns' new management has decided that they clearly aren't competing this year anyway, and that by the time they ARE ready to compete again (1-2 years down the line) they'll have a viable replacement at RB.  Just because one bad decision was made (in this case, taking a RB at #3 overall) is no reason to compound that move by making another bad decision (keeping Richardson when you can pick up a more valuable asset: a first-round pick in a loaded 2014 draft who, it must be noted, you will have under contract for FOUR more years at that point instead of the two remaining on Richardson's deal).

Therefore, I look at this and see that the Browns might have converted Richardson to an asset that will be more valuable down the line.  Yes, it looks like tanking this season (it is), and that doesn't sit well with me.  But if the Browns come away with the #1 and #20 picks next year and have Jadeveon Clowney or Teddy Bridgewater PLUS, say, De'Anthony Thomas as an all-purpose weapon or any of the top WR prospects still in college, haven't they pulled a heist?

It's been funny to see reactions from my friends.  Guys who are Browns fans universally hate it; most others think it's either a neutral trade or a good move by the Browns (taking all of the above into account).  The Browns fans are having a hard time stepping back and seeing the whole picture; they're just in the "OMG we traded our best player!" mindset without realizing that, for all of his talents, Richardson's production has been very modest thus far and that even if he was among the league's best RB's, he STILL is not all that valuable.  Good passing games and defenses win games FAR more than RB's do right now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on September 19, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Washington U. Defensive Coordinator Jim Ryan discusses the Bears' 10-7 double OT win vs. Rhodes and previews the upcoming game Sept. 21 at No. 20 Coe College. http://youtu.be/85kGDuz4j-4
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 20, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
Any last minute news on our being able to get audio or video for Case's game tomorrow?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 12:06:26 AM
Frostburg's press box lacks facilities.

So what happened last weekend?

Playing on Sunday, thought they had to play like the Browns?

Overconfidence from Game 1?  I'm sure the players didn't see the misguided predictions on these boards.  I was caught up in the NCAC fans' lack of confidence in Oberlin.  Eating my crow with Buffalo sauce.

Frostburg has given up 50+ points in both of its two games.  The O really needs to step up this week.  After scoring 3 pts in week 1 Frostburg scored 49 last week.

Per the preview two-deep, looks like Baker will be back at RT after missing last game (converted TE 215# played RT).  Looks like Colchagoff is moving from DL to OL, but not on the two-deep. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2013, 07:25:08 AM
CMU loses 19-7 on Friday night at Catholic. Yuck. Two losses to teams that we beat last year in the first three games. Most disappointing is the lack of big passing plays - I really thought with Kalkstein and the two WRs back the passing game would have remained fairly dynamic. Line play could have something to do with it (can't say for sure since I've only been at the one home game), our best OL has not played yet due to injury, and missing a three-year starter & preseason AA up front can't help, but that shouldn't be an excuse and we do have two other veterans on the line that should stabilize the front.
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Post by: jknezek on September 21, 2013, 08:24:51 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2013, 07:25:08 AM
CMU loses 19-7 on Friday night at Catholic. Yuck. Two losses to teams that we beat last year in the first three games. Most disappointing is the lack of big passing plays - I really thought with Kalkstein and the two WRs back the passing game would have remained fairly dynamic. Line play could have something to do with it (can't say for sure since I've only been at the one home game), our best OL has not played yet due to injury, and missing a three-year starter & preseason AA up front can't help, but that shouldn't be an excuse and we do have two other veterans on the line that should stabilize the front.

From what I could see on the video last night, which was putrid, CMU couldn't stop Catholic's defensive line. Seemed like Catholic was in the backfield every play, so I think you are spot on with the problem. On the other hand, I didn't watch more than 1 play in 10 since the video looked like it was being shot with a low resolution webcam and fed through a pipe the size of a straw. Pretty awful production. Hope it is better when W&L gets to Catholic.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 08:44:32 AM
Be grateful for that.  CWRU can't even get its own audio from Frostburg.
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Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 01:24:00 PM
Both teams pleading nolo contendere  (no defense)

14-6 CWRU

Finally  Spartans pick off a pass.
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Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
We are down 20 - 17, WOW........ ??? 
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Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 01:57:07 PM
A defensive play!  Banky scored a safety!  20 - 19 (down by one point)  :)
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Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 02:06:57 PM
Back on top, Olson TD...  26 - 20
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Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
1st half total offense

CWRU  323
FSU     258           581
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Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 02:10:47 PM
First half:
Rushing yards  218
Passing yards  105
Crazy!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
1st half total offense

CWRU  323
FSU     258           581
Sorry, our information got caught in between (I repeated your info.)..... Defense needs to STEP UP......
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 02:30:36 PM
Clear change of strategy Beecher has 82 yds on 13 rushes.  He, Riordan, and Hanzlik are all on pace for 100 yard game.
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Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
All that offense must have overloaded live stats
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Post by: jam40jeff on September 21, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
I'm guessing it's a lightning delay.
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Post by: jam40jeff on September 21, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
Never mind, it's back and it's mid 4th quarter.  Strangely enough there was very little scoring while it was out.
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Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
Bad weekend so far for the UAA. CMU loses to Catholic ugly on Friday, CWRU loses to a blah Frostburg State team, looks like WashU is going to lose a close one to Coe. Perhaps Chicago will salvage some UAA pride in the nightcap against Elmhurst.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 21, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
Looks like another tough loss for Case. Offensive drop off in the 2nd half and any playoff hopes dashed again in early season. Good news is they're young and have lots of season to get better.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 04:39:56 PM
Linfield has already scored 71 once this year.

But afterwards, two weeks off and then to Puget Sound, which had won two games since 2008, but beat Whittier today 42-33.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 21, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 04:39:56 PM
Linfield has already scored 71 once this year.

But afterwards, two weeks off and then to Puget Sound, which has won two games since 2008.

Offensive drop off was mostly due to poor conditions.  It was windy, rainy and cold.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 21, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 21, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 04:39:56 PM
Linfield has already scored 71 once this year.

But afterwards, two weeks off and then to Puget Sound, which has won two games since 2008.

Offensive drop off was mostly due to poor conditions.  It was windy, rainy and cold.

No choice but to REMAIN positive and accept the fact that Coach Debs and his assistants will work the boys this week to prepare for Linfield.  It will get better!!!
I'm going up next week so I'm excited about that...
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Post by: ADL70 on September 21, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Chicago beats Elmhurst 10-0.
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Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
Bully for the Maroons. Looking at their remaining schedule, they may well be in play for a Pool B spot here.
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Post by: wildcat11 on September 21, 2013, 11:53:34 PM
Looking forwarding to coming out to Case next week.  Go 'Cats!
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Post by: mustang on September 22, 2013, 12:34:27 AM
It was windy, rainey and cold for both teams. The offense for Case has been erratic for 2 years now. No excuses.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 22, 2013, 12:34:27 AM
It was windy, rainey and cold for both teams. The offense for Case has been erratic for 2 years now. No excuses.

The offense played well overall.  They scored 33 points.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 22, 2013, 05:39:30 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 22, 2013, 12:34:27 AM
It was windy, rainey and cold for both teams. The offense for Case has been erratic for 2 years now. No excuses.

The offense played well overall.  They scored 33 points.

Yes and no; you have to consider context. Frostburg State had allowed 57 and 59 points in their first two games - it's pretty obvious that they have an OK offense and a terrible defense. Scoring 33 is a nice number but against a team that gives up 50+ you'd like to see more.  Obviously that is dependent on the exact flow of the game and situation, but I gather that Case was ahead 26-20 at halftime and the offense scored just 7 in the second half in a game when more was needed. It's fair to point that out.

Gotta say I'm disappointed in the UAA overall thus far, especially CMU and Case. WashU actually is doing exactly what I expected - playing great defense and scuffling on offense, but they have played a pair of top 25 teams close. Chicago is the big surprise - while it's hard to know exactly what to make of their schedule thus far (two 2012 playoff teams, but one from a very weak conference and both clearly not what they were last year), but they are 3-0 and playing very good defense.
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Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
I agree that context is important. For an offense that scored no points the previous week 33 is quite an improvement.  Case was able to move the ball.  One of the fumbles was on the Frostburg 3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 22, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
The Wash-U defense was tremendous...giving up only 10 points despite being on the field for over 42 minutes and facing 94 plays from Coe's offense.  The Kohawks gained 424 yards, but Wash-U forced 3 turnovers and kept the Bears in the game.

It will be an interesting week of practice for the Bears' offense.  Three QBs were used, none were effective...6 first downs and 124 yards of total offense were all that could be mustered.  Not sure if wholesale changes are in store for the Bears' home game vs. Centre this week, but it would appear that Wash-U's offense has reached a crossroads moment relatively early in the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 23, 2013, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 22, 2013, 12:34:27 AM
It was windy, rainey and cold for both teams. The offense for Case has been erratic for 2 years now. No excuses.

The offense played well overall.  They scored 33 points.


Allow me to explain. In most instances you would be correct. I guess the larger point I was trying to make was it is well known that the defense is young and inexperienced. The good news was that the offense is experienced at the quarterback, running back and receiver positions. This would indicate that a run centric, ball control offense would be an ideal. Cold, wind and rain play into that strategy nicely. It's hard to make judgements on a game when all you have to go by is live stats so my points are more general in nature. Bottom line is the offense needs to carry the water and if it had been just a hair more productive in the last season and a half we would be having a different discussion. Lots of season left and I remain optimistic and confident that these players will play to their potential.
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Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 23, 2013, 03:13:03 AM
This is shaping up to be a LONG season.

I sure hope that we can turn it around.  Maybe Puget Sound will give us an opportunity.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: mustang on September 23, 2013, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 22, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: mustang on September 22, 2013, 12:34:27 AM
It was windy, rainey and cold for both teams. The offense for Case has been erratic for 2 years now. No excuses.

The offense played well overall.  They scored 33 points.


Allow me to explain. In most instances you would be correct. I guess the larger point I was trying to make was it is well known that the defense is young and inexperienced. The good news was that the offense is experienced at the quarterback, running back and receiver positions. This would indicate that a run centric, ball control offense would be an ideal. Cold, wind and rain play into that strategy nicely. It's hard to make judgements on a game when all you have to go by is live stats so my points are more general in nature. Bottom line is the offense needs to carry the water and if it had been just a hair more productive in the last season and a half we would be having a different discussion. Lots of season left and I remain optimistic and confident that these players will play to their potential.

Excellent post. This is what I was trying to get at above - yes, it was nice for the offense to score 33 points, but given that it's the more experienced side of the ball AND the fact that they were playing a team who, through two games, had shown some offensive capability but ZERO defense, it would be reasonable to say the offense needed to produce more in that game.  As they did against Oberlin, who went on to allow 39 to Wooster in their second game.

I'm not "blaming" the Case offense for the losses, the defense bears some blame as well - it's more that I disagree with any suggestion that the offense played well (and thereby the loss is on the defense).

I do think WashU's defense has played superbly through three games, despite having two losses. They have held a pair of ranked teams to 17 and 10 points while getting little from their offense.  The reason I'll make this statement about one side of the ball for WashU and not for Case is, again, context and the caliber of competition.

WashU might well be 3-0 if they had played Chicago's schedule, and I expect them to win their next few games if they can figure out anything on offense.

CMU certainly has the talent to be better than they've shown, but this far it's looking bleak. The lone win against Allegheny (which would normally stand as a nice win) looks pretty hollow now that the Gators have lost badly to both Kenyon AND Hiram at home...historically the two worst teams in the NCAC.  The losses have come against OK-but-not-great teams, and worse, the offense hasn't been able to finish drives, so we haven't really been all that close to actually winning either game.

I think all of the 1-2 teams have potential to finish the year with winning records - but each of them badly needs more from at least one side of the ball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 23, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 07:27:23 AM
I'm not "blaming" the Case offense for the losses, the defense bears some blame as well - it's more that I disagree with any suggestion that the offense played well (and thereby the loss is on the defense).

I am a long time sports parent and I don't think it is productive to "blame" losses on one half of a team.  Football is a team sport.  Each and every member of a team contributes to every win and every loss.  Part of being a team is picking up for others who are having a rough day.  That did not happen and I think that is the most important lesson to be learned here.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on September 22, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
The Wash-U defense was tremendous...giving up only 10 points despite being on the field for over 42 minutes and facing 94 plays from Coe's offense.  The Kohawks gained 424 yards, but Wash-U forced 3 turnovers and kept the Bears in the game.

It will be an interesting week of practice for the Bears' offense.  Three QBs were used, none were effective...6 first downs and 124 yards of total offense were all that could be mustered.  Not sure if wholesale changes are in store for the Bears' home game vs. Centre this week, but it would appear that Wash-U's offense has reached a crossroads moment relatively early in the season.

Thanks for the description.  Will be interesting.  WashU's defense is probably the best side of the ball on any of the UAA teams, but they'll have to find SOME offense!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MonroviaCat on September 23, 2013, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on September 22, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
The Wash-U defense was tremendous...giving up only 10 points despite being on the field for over 42 minutes and facing 94 plays from Coe's offense.  The Kohawks gained 424 yards, but Wash-U forced 3 turnovers and kept the Bears in the game.

It will be an interesting week of practice for the Bears' offense.  Three QBs were used, none were effective...6 first downs and 124 yards of total offense were all that could be mustered.  Not sure if wholesale changes are in store for the Bears' home game vs. Centre this week, but it would appear that Wash-U's offense has reached a crossroads moment relatively early in the season.

Thanks for the description.  Will be interesting.  WashU's defense is probably the best side of the ball on any of the UAA teams, but they'll have to find SOME offense!
Looking forward to seeing this weeks game between Linfield and Case!  Nice for the Cats to see a new opponent even if its just for the one year.  I think everybody is expecting a blowout but things can get interesting with long travels to a new field against a new opponent.  I fully expect my Cats to take care of business but it could be an interesting game.  What can you guys tell me about the Spartans?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 23, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 23, 2013, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on September 22, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
The Wash-U defense was tremendous...giving up only 10 points despite being on the field for over 42 minutes and facing 94 plays from Coe's offense.  The Kohawks gained 424 yards, but Wash-U forced 3 turnovers and kept the Bears in the game.

It will be an interesting week of practice for the Bears' offense.  Three QBs were used, none were effective...6 first downs and 124 yards of total offense were all that could be mustered.  Not sure if wholesale changes are in store for the Bears' home game vs. Centre this week, but it would appear that Wash-U's offense has reached a crossroads moment relatively early in the season.

Thanks for the description.  Will be interesting.  WashU's defense is probably the best side of the ball on any of the UAA teams, but they'll have to find SOME offense!
Looking forward to seeing this weeks game between Linfield and Case!  Nice for the Cats to see a new opponent even if its just for the one year.  I think everybody is expecting a blowout but things can get interesting with long travels to a new field against a new opponent.  I fully expect my Cats to take care of business but it could be an interesting game.  What can you guys tell me about the Spartans?

I think that playing Linfield should exciting for Case.  We had a lot of turnover in the defense this year but have a bunch of highly motivated kids trying to step up (and I think they will).  Hopefully the game will be challenging and exciting.  If ever Case needed motivation it should be now.  We had hope to be 3 and 0 heading into our Linfield game but that is not the case - so we just need to deal with it.

I'll be at the game and am excited about it.

Welcome to Linfield and their fans to Case Western....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
If any of you Case fans want to get to know Linfield a little more please check out the blog I run.  Lots of players interviews, post game thoughts, a great numbers breakdown on Tuesdays, and much more.

ADvantage Catdome: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
If any of you Case fans want to get to know Linfield a little more please check out the blog I run.  Lots of players interviews, post game thoughts, a great numbers breakdown on Tuesdays, and much more.

ADvantage Catdome: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/)

Not a Case fan, but a UAA fan/alum, thanks for posting.

Entering the season, I had hopes that CWRU would give you guys a worthy game.  After some lackluster performances the last two weeks, I am not sure exactly what you'll get.  Regardless, it is exciting to see another UAA team playing one of the traditional powerhouses (in addition to WashU's season openers with Mount and UWW recently).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
If any of you Case fans want to get to know Linfield a little more please check out the blog I run.  Lots of players interviews, post game thoughts, a great numbers breakdown on Tuesdays, and much more.

ADvantage Catdome: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/)

Not a Case fan, but a UAA fan/alum, thanks for posting.

Entering the season, I had hopes that CWRU would give you guys a worthy game.  After some lackluster performances the last two weeks, I am not sure exactly what you'll get.  Regardless, it is exciting to see another UAA team playing one of the traditional powerhouses (in addition to WashU's season openers with Mount and UWW recently).

Yeah...you have to keep in mind this will be Linfield's second LONG trip in the past three weeks.  D3 flight travel is a lot different than D1 travel so I have no idea how Linfield will respond mentally or physically.  I do know we have a pretty good squad.  Hope they can play up to the billing.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 23, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 23, 2013, 03:13:03 AM
This is shaping up to be a LONG season.

I sure hope that we can turn it around.  Maybe Puget Sound will give us an opportunity.

Puget Sound gives most  everyone an opportunity to "monkey stop"  them (as they say at
St. John's) and most take advantage of the opportunity. We always do.  I wish you well well. +K for you. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 23, 2013, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
If any of you Case fans want to get to know Linfield a little more please check out the blog I run.  Lots of players interviews, post game thoughts, a great numbers breakdown on Tuesdays, and much more.

ADvantage Catdome: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/)
Wildcat 11 is the best promoter a DIII team could ever have.  You will see very quickly his site is absolutely first class.  We are very fortunate to have him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 23, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
I am a Wickliffe High School grad as well as a very proud Linfield College grad, as were both of my parents.  I left Ohio two days after graduation and have lived on the West Coast ever since.

I am watching the Case game with interest and was back to Wickliffe 3 years ago for a high school reunion.  I'm thinking our chances are pretty good after watching a bit of the Case vs. Oberlin game.


Go Wildcats.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 24, 2013, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: CamCat on September 23, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
I am a Wickliffe High School grad as well as a very proud Linfield College grad, as were both of my parents.  I left Ohio two days after graduation and have lived on the West Coast ever since.

I am watching the Case game with interest and was back to Wickliffe 3 years ago for a high school reunion.  I'm thinking our chances are pretty good after watching a bit of the Case vs. Oberlin game.


Go Wildcats.

Small world.  I'm a Wickliffe High School grad and a proud Case grad.

I'm thinking our chances are slim to none (and strongly leaning towards none) after watching the Case vs. Oberlin game.

But Go Spartans anyway.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: CamCat on September 23, 2013, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
If any of you Case fans want to get to know Linfield a little more please check out the blog I run.  Lots of players interviews, post game thoughts, a great numbers breakdown on Tuesdays, and much more.

ADvantage Catdome: http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/)
Wildcat 11 is the best promoter a DIII team could ever have.  You will see very quickly his site is absolutely first class.  We are very fortunate to have him.

Sure is.  I perused it a bit yesterday and was very impressed!  I will learn more about the Cats come playoff time when I'm checking out the top contenders!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: MonroviaCat on September 24, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.
Based on our (Linfield's) last two outings--I would concur.  Then again, anything could happen  ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 24, 2013, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 24, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.
Based on our (Linfield's) last two outings--I would concur.  Then again, anything could happen  ;)

I am certain that I am as disappointed over our last two losses as anyone else - on the other hand, all we can do is look forward to the next game.  I know for a fact that the boys know how important this game is for them and I don't know if they will win - BUT I'll bet that they will give it a solid effort.
Let's not forget, upsets are quite possible.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on September 24, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
What I really want to know is where is the place to get some good grub and cold drinks after the game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
Quote from: casefldad on September 24, 2013, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 24, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.
Based on our (Linfield's) last two outings--I would concur.  Then again, anything could happen  ;)

I am certain that I am as disappointed over our last two losses as anyone else - on the other hand, all we can do is look forward to the next game.  I know for a fact that the boys know how important this game is for them and I don't know if they will win - BUT I'll bet that they will give it a solid effort.  You can't ask any more from them than that.
Let's not forget, upsets are quite possible.  True, but in this case it just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.

I'm afraid you can count on it.   

I watched part of the Case vs. Oberlin game and couldn't believe the whole attitude and demeanor of the Oberlin announcers, "Expect to Lose", was how I'd best describe it but some how magically they won.  Linfield's mantra is "Expect to Win" and you will pick that up in the vibration of their announcers.  I'm going to watch the Case video and listen to the Linfield audio http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#.  Be my guest.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.

I'm afraid you can count on it.   

I watched part of the Case vs. Oberlin game and couldn't believe the whole attitude and demeanor of the Oberlin announcers, "Expect to Lose", was how I'd best describe it but some how magically they won.  Linfield's mantra is "Expect to Win" and you will pick that up in the vibration of their announcers.  I'm going to watch the Case video and listen to the Linfield audio http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#.  Be my guest.

That's a little backhanded....those guys that do the Oberlin games are pretty good.  If they don't call games the same way that Linfield guys call games it's probably because Oberlin isn't Linfield.  Different programs, different goals, different expectations, and most importantly, totally different perspectives.  I think their broadcast guys do a great job. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 24, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.

I'm afraid you can count on it.   

I watched part of the Case vs. Oberlin game and couldn't believe the whole attitude and demeanor of the Oberlin announcers, "Expect to Lose", was how I'd best describe it but some how magically they won.  Linfield's mantra is "Expect to Win" and you will pick that up in the vibration of their announcers.  I'm going to watch the Case video and listen to the Linfield audio http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#.  Be my guest.

That's a little backhanded....those guys that do the Oberlin games are pretty good.  If they don't call games the same way that Linfield guys call games it's probably because Oberlin isn't Linfield.  Different programs, different goals, different expectations, and most importantly, totally different perspectives.  I think their broadcast guys do a great job.

And if they had a tone of expecting to lose, it may be because they hadn't beaten Case in something like 29 years.

I was watching the game sans audio, so I'm not sure whether they did or not.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on September 24, 2013, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 24, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
What I really want to know is where is the place to get some good grub and cold drinks after the game.

There's a lot of choices.  What are you looking for (price range, type of food, etc.)?  There's a bar called ABC the Tavern in the Uptown complex at E. 115th and Euclid that's a pretty good place to go.  http://www.abcthetavern.com/contact.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2013, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.

I'm afraid you can count on it.   

I watched part of the Case vs. Oberlin game and couldn't believe the whole attitude and demeanor of the Oberlin announcers, "Expect to Lose", was how I'd best describe it but some how magically they won.  Linfield's mantra is "Expect to Win" and you will pick that up in the vibration of their announcers.  I'm going to watch the Case video and listen to the Linfield audio http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#.  Be my guest.

That's a little backhanded....those guys that do the Oberlin games are pretty good.  If they don't call games the same way that Linfield guys call games it's probably because Oberlin isn't Linfield.  Different programs, different goals, different expectations, and most importantly, totally different perspectives.  I think their broadcast guys do a great job.

+K Wally.

CamCat, Oberlin has like 36 guys on its roster and hadn't beaten Case in something like 28 years.  Coming into this season, on the NCAC boards we were worried how they could possibly field a competitive team this year, even after last year's more-impressive-than-it-looks 4-6 record.  I know it's out of your region and likely off your radar, but Oberlin's record in the last couple of years is one of the great "doing more with less" coaching jobs in Division III.  Wally's bolded quote hits the nail on the head.

Case is off to a disappointing start this season, especially in light of what they had returning and the generally good record of the program over the last six seasons.  I expect Linfield to blow their doors off, but I am hoping that Coach Deb and the Spartans will be ready to play and at least give it the best they have.  I don't think they've really done that in the last two games, for whatever reason, and I sincerely hope it's there this week.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2013, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on September 24, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 24, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Based on our last two outings, homecoming could be brutal.

I'm afraid you can count on it.   

I watched part of the Case vs. Oberlin game and couldn't believe the whole attitude and demeanor of the Oberlin announcers, "Expect to Lose", was how I'd best describe it but some how magically they won.  Linfield's mantra is "Expect to Win" and you will pick that up in the vibration of their announcers.  I'm going to watch the Case video and listen to the Linfield audio http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/linfield.portal#.  Be my guest.

That's a little backhanded....those guys that do the Oberlin games are pretty good.  If they don't call games the same way that Linfield guys call games it's probably because Oberlin isn't Linfield.  Different programs, different goals, different expectations, and most importantly, totally different perspectives.  I think their broadcast guys do a great job.

And if they had a tone of expecting to lose, it may be because they hadn't beaten Case in something like 29 years.

I was watching the game sans audio, so I'm not sure whether they did or not.

Having had a few more minutes to think about specifics, I think what I appreciate about Oberlin's broadcast guys are that they call the football with enthusiasm and they have knowledge and they very much want to see Oberlin win and do well (they'll mix in the occasional "we" during a broadcast which is fine in moderation), but they also don't shy away from Oberlin's challenges during a broadcast.  If something like roster depth makes itself known during the course of a game, they'll talk about it.  I appreciate an honest broadcast...you can be hometown radio and still deliver some objectivity, which I think those guys do. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
Thank you Wally_Wabash.  I appreciate your explanation, very interesting.  I had no idea what the history was as all I had was that one moment in time.  +K for you.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on September 24, 2013, 04:10:54 PM
Ex Tartan,  Thank you as well for the additional info.  I know nothing about what's going in in OH, DIII except Mt. Union.  Case has had a great record looking to the past until their off year last year and apparently a building year this year.  I'll disagree with Lombardi in that winning is not the only thing. There are interesting stories and circumstances beneath the surface. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on September 24, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
OK....can I come over here and play? I'm not going to ruin the Love Fest.
I came here a month ago to thank Case Western Reserve for taking the game with us.

Now I see you're humorous over here
QuoteWe had hope to be 3 and 0 heading into our Linfield game but that is not the Case
My emphasis.

QuoteWhat I really want to know is where is the place to get some good grub and cold drinks after the game.
Somewhere in Alliance if I were you.

What were your Case Western's favorite seasons? Who are your biggest rivals? Do many graduates stay on to coach? (awhile, at least)

No injuries!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 25, 2013, 06:07:03 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 24, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
What were your Case Western's favorite seasons? Who are your biggest rivals?

As an alum of a former rival, but one that always respected CWRU, I'll chime in.

Case Western's BEST team was probably the 2008 team, IMO - little more dominant in the regular season and played Wabash very tough in round one - but I suspect that the "favorite" season might have been 2007.  Carnegie Mellon had just broken a seven-year UAA playoff drought the year before and seeing Case slowly build momentum over that season, beating us in overtime and then winning them all & getting a playoff bid was pretty cool.  After they'd beaten us I spent the rest of the season rooting for them because I thought it'd be nice to see the UAA get someone in the playoffs two years in a row, and they went on to win their first-round game (as we had the year before), which I hoped would raise the conference profile a bit.  I was excited for them, having been through the same joyride the year before of converting a somewhat-mediocre program into a playoff team.

Traditional rivals for CWRU are somewhat in transition: they had a long running series with both Oberlin and Wooster that is likely to cease now that they're joining the PAC/UAA dual membership thingy along with CMU.  I would say CMU is likely the only existing rival to appear on their schedule next year and for the foreseeable future.  If the program takes a step back up to its 2007-2009 levels they will be a nice foil for W & J and Thomas More in the PAC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2013, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 24, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Do many graduates stay on to coach? (awhile, at least)


Interesting question.

For the last several years the staff has had at least one former player, usually two, as is the case this year.  The head coach from 94-98 was an alum Regis Scafe '71.

There were two alums who were assistants for ten years or more, but are not on the current staff.

Don't overlook dining in Little Italy a short distance up Mayfield Road.  It's probably best to hike up the hill, as parking is limited.  Great pizza at Mama Santa's.

As XTP says CMU is the only rivalry game to survive the conference shift.  Lost is the Baird Brother's Trophy game with Wooster, which was featured in Sports Illustrated.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/baird_brothers_trophy

The two players in the photo did stay to coach for one year each (56-Dale English DL and 6-Joey Baum QB).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 25, 2013, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 25, 2013, 06:07:03 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 24, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
What were your Case Western's favorite seasons? Who are your biggest rivals?

As an alum of a former rival, but one that always respected CWRU, I'll chime in.

Case Western's BEST team was probably the 2008 team, IMO - little more dominant in the regular season and played Wabash very tough in round one - but I suspect that the "favorite" season might have been 2007.  Carnegie Mellon had just broken a seven-year UAA playoff drought the year before and seeing Case slowly build momentum over that season, beating us in overtime and then winning them all & getting a playoff bid was pretty cool. After they'd beaten us I spent the rest of the season rooting for them because I thought it'd be nice to see the UAA get someone in the playoffs two years in a row, and they went on to win their first-round game (as we had the year before), which I hoped would raise the conference profile a bit.  I was excited for them, having been through the same joyride the year before of converting a somewhat-mediocre program into a playoff team.

Traditional rivals for CWRU are somewhat in transition: they had a long running series with both Oberlin and Wooster that is likely to cease now that they're joining the PAC/UAA dual membership thingy along with CMU.  I would say CMU is likely the only existing rival to appear on their schedule next year and for the foreseeable future.  If the program takes a step back up to its 2007-2009 levels they will be a nice foil for W & J and Thomas More in the PAC.

The cessation of the annual game with Wooster is a bummer as the winner of that game takes ownership of one of the more fun traveling trophies (that don't involve a giant locomotive bell, obviously) in D3, the Baird Brothers Trophy.  There's some photos in this game recap (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/201210060nkmxz#) from last year.  The series is now dormant and the fish stay in Cleveland until some time down the road when they can hopefully get some games going again.  As noted, it can't happen right now as CWRU is playing 7 PAC games and 3 UAA games for the time being.  But I hope sometime down the road CWRU can shake loose for a non-league game with Wooster and get that series going again, even if it happens intermittently. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
I don't see much hope of that anytime soon.  PAC scheds are set thru 2017.  Not sure about SAA scheds for WashU and UChi.  That's not a very good geographic fit for them (esp UChi).

Best case scenario for UAA and NCAC is for the UAA to poach Hiram and Allegheny (the NE-most members of NCAC) as football affiliates and lure Rochester back.  But I think Rochester is happy in the LL, although they've never been a contender for the title.

I would add Oberlin, except I suspect they want to stay with the other Five Colleges of Ohio (Denison, Kenyon, Ohio Wesleyan, and Wooster-- a nonprofit educational consortium established in 1995 to promote the broad educational and cultural objectives of its members ... an outgrowth of a highly successful collaboration and friendly academic and athletic rivalries among the five institutions.), which may be what doomed a two conference UAA/NCAC combine.

Now if one of those schools gets beat up by Wabash and Wittenberg over then next few years, affiliating with the UAA might look more interesting.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 25, 2013, 11:26:22 AM
I guess the most likely scenario that I had in my head that would lead to a revival of the fish stringer games would be to just pull the plug on the UAA football games entirely.  You've all got seats at the Pool A table and new conferences with new rivals and the whole bit...the UAA football stuff is kind of vestigial.  Or at least it will be after a couple of years, I believe. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2013, 12:08:06 PM
I think the UAA games take precedence over the fish.  If there's pressure to abandon three UAA games, it would come from the PAC wanting a full round robin again.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on September 25, 2013, 12:57:34 PM
Thank-you all for the insight.

It sounds like Case Western is in a state of flux.
Just don't become flummoxed on Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 25, 2013, 09:45:51 AM
The cessation of the annual game with Wooster is a bummer as the winner of that game takes ownership of one of the more fun traveling trophies (that don't involve a giant locomotive bell, obviously) in D3, the Baird Brothers Trophy.  There's some photos in this game recap (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/201210060nkmxz#) from last year.  The series is now dormant and the fish stay in Cleveland until some time down the road when they can hopefully get some games going again.  As noted, it can't happen right now as CWRU is playing 7 PAC games and 3 UAA games for the time being.  But I hope sometime down the road CWRU can shake loose for a non-league game with Wooster and get that series going again, even if it happens intermittently.

Great trophy, and it's a shame that it's about to be mothballed for the foreseeable future. But on the bright side, the dormancy of the Baird Brothers' Trophy means that the annual widespread butchery of the whole apostrophe-after-the-'s' thing won't be causing the grammatically precise to pull out their hair in exasperation.  ;)

Quote from: ADL70 on September 25, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
I don't see much hope of that anytime soon.  PAC scheds are set thru 2017.  Not sure about SAA scheds for WashU and UChi.  That's not a very good geographic fit for them (esp UChi).

I don't really think that geographic fit is a huge concern for the University of Chicago. Maroons athletes are used to getting on planes as well as buses, as that's the whole modus operandi of the UAA as a league, sans football. The U of C athletic department has plane travel, hotel usage, study-table-and-test-proctoring on the road, etc., down to an art form. And there's no hardship involved for the institution; we're talking about a school that has a $6.6b endowment, after all. Wash U, which isn't exactly scuffling with a $5.2b endowment, is basically in the same boat.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 25, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 25, 2013, 09:45:51 AM


Great trophy, and it's a shame that it's about to be mothballed for the foreseeable future. But on the bright side, the dormancy of the Baird Brothers' Trophy means that the annual widespread butchery of the whole apostrophe-after-the-'s' thing won't be causing the grammatically precise to pull out their hair in exasperation.  ;)




I convinced the SID to change to s' this year, but I even messed it up in my post.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 26, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
A Linfield look at the game from a blogger.

http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-3-preview-linfield-2-0-vs.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on September 26, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Speaking of my blog...I haven't wanted to bother you guys with my stuff this week but I'm going to make an exception here:

ADvantage 'Catdome = 2013 Linfield Scoreboard Intro Video (http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-linfield-scoreboard-intro-video.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on September 26, 2013, 04:56:03 PM
Exceptional exception!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 27, 2013, 01:47:50 PM
Just wondering, if tomorrow Case vs. Linfield game is remotely close, how will it impact our perception of each team going forward?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 27, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
Good question.  I think it'd cause me to dock Linfield just a bit, but not terribly substantially because they've played a couple of big games already to start the season and that's a long road trip.  If they're a bit sluggish coming out of the gate it wouldn't surprise me. 

It would drastically alter my perception of Case as a really high-ceiling/low-floor kind of team.  When they're bad, they're got-shut-out-by-Oberlin bad.  Right now I see them as a mediocre team that has a low floor.  If they kept it close/competitive with Linfield, I would expect continued improvement from there and contention for the UAA title.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: RoyalPurple on September 27, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
The infamous Masseyratings.com gives Case a 0% chance of winning or scoring. Since I'll be there lets hope they prove Massey wrong. His BCS ranks have been very wrong more than once. May save money and watch from the parking deck
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on September 27, 2013, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 27, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
Good question.  I think it'd cause me to dock Linfield just a bit, but not terribly substantially because they've played a couple of big games already to start the season and that's a long road trip.  If they're a bit sluggish coming out of the gate it wouldn't surprise me. 

The 2nd big travel trip in 3 weeks and this time in the Eastern Time Zone is the most concerning part for me right now as Linfield fan.  I do think Linfield's staff has learned some lessons about past long trips and did a great job in get Linfield ready in Texas.  Hope it's more of the same tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: criswyly on September 27, 2013, 09:08:55 PM
Personally, I'd like to see an injury free, turnover free and penalty free game that is well played by both teams....and of course a big W by the Wildcats.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2013, 07:47:08 AM
Curious coincidence:  TNT showed 300 last night, the story of Spartans fighting against insurmountable odds.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
Dude, the Spartans lost the battle of Thermopylae and every last one of those 300 Spartans was killed. You did watch the movie to the very end, didn't you? ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 28, 2013, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
Dude, the Spartans lost the battle of Thermopylae and every last one of those 300 Spartans was killed. You did watch the movie to the very end, didn't you? ;)

+K, you are definitely right. However, they were betrayed. So whom from Case betrays them?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2013, 12:27:40 PM
I didn't say they prevailed.  Nor do expect CWRU to.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
Shame that promising 4Q drive ended in a pick 6.  Would have been nice to score and keep the score under 40.

Good wins for CMU and WashU over previously unbeaten teams.  And the Bear's was over a potential Pool B contender.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 28, 2013, 05:34:47 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 28, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
Shame that promising 4Q drive ended in a pick 6.  Would have been nice to score and keep the score under 40.

Good wins for CMU and WashU over previously unbeaten teams.  And the Bear's was over a potential Pool B contender.

The turnover in the beginning of the game hurt too. I thought they had a chance to make it a contest. I don't know what to say, was Linfield defense that good or was Case offense that bad. I would say the latter.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on September 28, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
Case shot themselves in the foot too many times with lost fumbles, dropped passes, and giving LINFIELD a short field consistently.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: RoyalPurple on September 28, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
Very impressed with Case's defense. Fairly underwhelmed by Linfield's game. Case did a good job of containing the running plays and spent a surprising amount of time in the Linfield backfield. Case's secondary was no match for the Wildcat's receivers, in speed or skill

Was also disappointed with the No whistle call after the INT runback at the beginning of the third quarter. The first play after the int saw Case gain 2 yards and then get pushed backwards 4 yards and even after the ball carrier was on the ground NO WHISTLE. Not surprising a Linfield player stripping the ball in the ensuing mob scene and Linfield got the ball despite the fact that there was no fumble or at least at the point of forward

Linfield is good, but not as good as  Mount or Franklin
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2013, 08:09:03 PM
Witnessed thrilling CMU win today. I'll check in with thoughts on all four UAA teams on Monday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on September 28, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
QuoteLinfield is good, but not as good as  Mount or Franklin

OK. Good is good.

Franklin?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 28, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on September 28, 2013, 08:02:37 PM


Was also disappointed with the No whistle call after the INT runback at the beginning of the third quarter. The first play after the int saw Case gain 2 yards and then get pushed backwards 4 yards and even after the ball carrier was on the ground NO WHISTLE. Not surprising a Linfield player stripping the ball in the ensuing mob scene and Linfield got the ball despite the fact that there was no fumble or at least at the point of forward


Thank you
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wetcat93 on September 28, 2013, 11:28:58 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 28, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
QuoteLinfield is good, but not as good as  Mount or Franklin

OK. Good is good.

Franklin?

Franklin? Ha ha that's good.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 29, 2013, 12:37:59 AM
Great rebound effort by the WashU offense this afternoon, in a 31-14 victory over previously unbeaten Centre College at historic Francis Field in St. Louis.  After a paltry 6 first downs and 124 yards of total offense last week at Coe, the Bears tallied 18 first downs and 316 total yards vs. Centre.  Good balance, too...165 rushing yards, 151 passing.  Time of possession went from 17 minutes last week to 40 this week; including over 21 in the first half.

Defense held Centre QB Heath Haden around 25 yards under his 3rd-ranked passing yards average, and it broke up 12 passes.  DE Nelson Nwumeh tipped 5 passes and had 7 tackles for WashU, who improved to 2-2.  Centre falls to 3-1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 29, 2013, 05:11:48 AM
Best week of the season for the UAA so far!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 29, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
The 45 points Linfield scored was Linfield's lowest point total of the season.  CWRU gave up 429 total yards compared with Cal Lutheran who gave up 655 total yards and Hardin Simmons who gave up 651 total yards.   The real star of the show was the Linfield DL.  I thought they played an outstanding game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 29, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 29, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
The 45 points Linfield scored was Linfield's lowest point total of the season.  CWRU gave up 429 total yards compared with Cal Lutheran who gave up 655 total yards and Hardin Simmons who gave up 651 total yards.   The real star of the show was the Linfield DL.  I thought they played an outstanding game.

I was at the game and share your thoughts.  I think our defense did a great job (I am aware that they scored 38 points on offense) BUT we did a good job on their running game.  I believe that we could not control the offensive line game which did not open give Eric or Billy sufficient time to set up for a passing game.  I also think that influenced the coaches perspective on our running game and WE DID NOT run the ball enough (for my taste).
We have to give credit to Linfield, they are fast and close areas very rapidly. 
We now move on, have two weeks to rest and need to sharpen our game for the remaining five games and try to sweep the UAA games.
Tough loss but we move on....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 29, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
What the defense accomplished was admirable, and it was done without Banky and without Bryant for most of the game.  Two pieces have been missing on the OL most of the year, too.

Two weeks to heal and regroup.  I was told earlier that Williams would be back this year, hopefully he'll be ready for the trip out west.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 30, 2013, 08:28:25 AM
Reactions:

- CMU played their best game of the season against previously undefeated Geneva.  After opening the game with a drive that went nowhere, followed by Geneva promptly marching down the field and scoring, I looked at my friend & fellow alum and we both thought "this is going to be a long day if we can't slow down that offense" (Geneva was averaging 50-some points per game through three weeks).  Don't be deceived by the 41-34 final score; it was the defense, not the offense, that won us this game.  Desperately needed that win.  There are still flaws to work on, to be sure, but now it feels like we're moving forward again, and we appear to have discovered a real playmaker in sophomore RB Max Reinertsen.

- WashU also grabs a nice win against previously undefeated Centre.  Still seem to be struggling at the QB position but the defense remains study and they established a bit more of a running game this week.  The Bears have survived the toughest part of their schedule and have three winnable games leading up to conference play.  I expect them to get to either 4-3 or 5-2 entering the UAA schedule.

- Chicago appears to have survived a game in which they were outplayed (4.7 yards per play and 444 yards for Kazoo vs. 3.7 yards per play and 243 yards for the Maroons) thanks to six turnovers and some big plays from Vincent Cortina.  The Maroons improbable run continues, and at 4-0 I think the next several games on the schedule are all winnable but also losable.  I'll stick with my prediction from last week of 5-2 entering conference play.

- You guys have already covered the CWRU game in some detail.  Boys, lick your wounds, rest up, and get it together for that cross-country flight to Puget Sound; this is a winnable game.  Kinda tough with that double-bye week midseason.  I wonder if Coach Deb will give the boys some time off practice (even just a day or two) to hit the books, get ahead in school, and try to bring them back a bit re-energized.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: criswyly on October 03, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
As a rabid Linfield fan I was impressed by the Case defensive effort making numerous excellent plays and keeping Linfield from the big play offense.  Those 38 points sort of just subtley added up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 05, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
Wash-U rolls up 508 yards in a 44-7 home victory over Berry today.  Zach Lonneman ran for 148 yards, and Cody Ratermann added 75...both career highs.  Eric Daginella and J.J. Tomlin both threw 2 TD passes, Lonneman & Ratermann each had a TD, and Josiah Situmeang had a safety.  Defense allowed only 36 rushing yards and 149 total.

Wash-U led 16-0 at halftime mainly because of time-consuming offensive drives...first TD was a result of a 14-play, 98-yard drive.  30-0 after 3 quarters, as the Bears improve to 3-2.  Berry falls to 0-4.  Bears offense is carrying its own weight, which is a good sign for the 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 05, 2013, 08:42:48 PM
Nice win for WashU.  3-2 with two winnable ones ahead.

CMU wins a sloppy game against "meh" St. Vincent team.  Good defensive effort, so-so offensive game.  Also 3-2 with two winnable ones ahead.

Chicago's Cinderella ride ends against Rhodes, but they were competitive and are still 4-1.

Should be a good conference season when we get there.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 07, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Checked Chicago's box, punt team did them in.  Two blocked for TDs and botched snap set Rhodes up on the 7 for another.  Maroons had slight stat edge.

I was scrolling down the scores Saturday and saw Elmhurst tied with North Central at half and K-zoo beating Trine.  Thinking Chicago looks pretty good, then saw their score and later that NCC dominated in the second half.

Still no one expected them to be 4-1 at this point.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 07, 2013, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 07, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Checked Chicago's box, punt team did them in.  Two blocked for TDs and botched snap set Rhodes up on the 7 for another.  Maroons had slight stat edge.

I was scrolling down the scores Saturday and saw Elmhurst tied with North Central at half and K-zoo beating Trine.  Thinking Chicago looks pretty good, then saw their score and later that NCC dominated in the second half.

Still no one expected them to be 4-1 at this point.

My goodness!  That is rough.  On the bright side, Cortina threw 5 TD passes and is playing well at QB, which bodes well for the Maroons as the UAA season approaches.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
Chicago feature from last week:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2013/chicago-maroons-winning-whirlwind
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2013, 06:38:27 PM
Gang,

I should mention that I'll be following the rest of this season from abroad.

Early next week, I leave for Afghanistan where, for the next ten months, I'll be the Deputy Director for NATO Forces at the Presidential Palace in Kabul.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 10, 2013, 07:01:08 PM
Keep safe Dman.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 11, 2013, 09:24:47 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2013, 06:38:27 PM
Gang,

I should mention that I'll be following the rest of this season from abroad.

Early next week, I leave for Afghanistan where, for the next ten months, I'll be the Deputy Director for NATO Forces at the Presidential Palace in Kabul.

GO SPARTANS!!!

Best of luck and stay SAFE.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 11, 2013, 12:06:14 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2013, 06:38:27 PM
Gang,

I should mention that I'll be following the rest of this season from abroad.

Early next week, I leave for Afghanistan where, for the next ten months, I'll be the Deputy Director for NATO Forces at the Presidential Palace in Kabul.

GO SPARTANS!!!

Thank you for your service!  Stay safe.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 11, 2013, 12:28:34 PM
Adding more good wishes, Dagarman.  Stay safe.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 11, 2013, 03:52:58 PM
Three out of four UAA football schools made the cut!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/geekiest-colleges-2013-hercampus_n_4072457.html
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 07:38:08 PM
Dagarman, Godspeed and be safe!  Thank you for your service!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Wash-U survived a shootout in Conway, Arkansas this afternoon, as the Bears outlasted Hendrix 45-41.  Both teams' defenses were scrambling to keep up with the opposing offenses, and the game went down to the final play before it was decided.

Wash-U (4-2) scored the go-ahead TD with 51 seconds left, on a 17-yard pass from Eric Daginella to freshman Zach Strittmatter.  But, Hendrix drove to the Wash-U 35-yard-line and called timeout with 3.4 on the clock.  A Hail Mary pass was caught by Hendrix freshman Spencer Smith at the Wash-U 1-yard-line, but Bears CB Andrew Skalman make the tackle at the buzzer to give them a hard-fought win.

Wash-U outgained Hendrix 524-448, including 304 yards rushing and averaging 6.2 yards per carry.  Hendrix (2-3) tossed the ball for 316 yards and a TD.

Bears QB Eric Daginella compiled 220 yards passing and a career-best 83 yards on 10 carries and 2 TDs.  RB Zach Lonneman also enjoyed a career-high 137 yards on 21 attempts and a TD.  Cody Ratermann had 2 TDs and 47 rushing yards.

Dayton Winn had 99 yards rushing and 2 TDs to lead Hendrix, and Seth Peters threw for 232 yards and a TD.  Travis McMahon had 92 yards receiving and a TD.

Wash-U has a bye next week, and travels to Macalester in two weeks.  Following that game, the UAA schedule begins.  This football season is going to become much more entertaining...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 15, 2013, 09:46:31 AM
CWRU has quietly re-named Case Field to DiSanto Field.

http://athletics.case.edu/facilities/disanto_field

Fred DiSanto (WRC '85, MGT '86) was a star athlete (12 letters and All American QB) and now a successful investment advisor.  He was named a University Trustee this year and led fund-raising for the Wyant Field House, for which I'm told ground was broken on Friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16GLIprkCk  Interview from 2010.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Wash-U survived a shootout in Conway, Arkansas this afternoon, as the Bears outlasted Hendrix 45-41.  Both teams' defenses were scrambling to keep up with the opposing offenses, and the game went down to the final play before it was decided.

Wash-U (4-2) scored the go-ahead TD with 51 seconds left, on a 17-yard pass from Eric Daginella to freshman Zach Strittmatter.  But, Hendrix drove to the Wash-U 35-yard-line and called timeout with 3.4 on the clock.  A Hail Mary pass was caught by Hendrix freshman Spencer Smith at the Wash-U 1-yard-line, but Bears CB Andrew Skalman make the tackle at the buzzer to give them a hard-fought win.

Wash-U outgained Hendrix 524-448, including 304 yards rushing and averaging 6.2 yards per carry.  Hendrix (2-3) tossed the ball for 316 yards and a TD.

Bears QB Eric Daginella compiled 220 yards passing and a career-best 83 yards on 10 carries and 2 TDs.  RB Zach Lonneman also enjoyed a career-high 137 yards on 21 attempts and a TD.  Cody Ratermann had 2 TDs and 47 rushing yards.

Wash-U has a bye next week, and travels to Macalester in two weeks.  Following that game, the UAA schedule begins.  This football season is going to become much more entertaining...

Thanks for the report jaybird.  WashU offense has found its footing against a few lesser defenses.  CMU's been a shade disappointing, CWRU is off for a little while, but to me WashU looks like a clear-cut favorite now, although Chicago is a decent contender.  If WashU can run the table, they'll have a decent shot at Pool B.  Not sure that Chicago will since their losses are not quite as good as WashU's; the Bears will get a big SOS assist if UWW and/or Coe win their respective conferences.  It is conceivable that their losses will both come by 10-point margins against undefeated conference champs; while they're still a marginal playoff candidate, I could see them squeezing in if they are able to run the table and either UWW or Coe wins out.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
I know it's several weeks away, but if any WashU fans are planning to make the trip to Pittsburgh on 11/2 or any Case fans are coming on 11/16, please let me know.  I've gone to both home games thus far and plan to attend both of these as well; I will be glad to meet up with y'all at the game (and can give tips on good dinner spots the night before/after).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 15, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Wash-U survived a shootout in Conway, Arkansas this afternoon, as the Bears outlasted Hendrix 45-41.  Both teams' defenses were scrambling to keep up with the opposing offenses, and the game went down to the final play before it was decided.

Wash-U (4-2) scored the go-ahead TD with 51 seconds left, on a 17-yard pass from Eric Daginella to freshman Zach Strittmatter.  But, Hendrix drove to the Wash-U 35-yard-line and called timeout with 3.4 on the clock.  A Hail Mary pass was caught by Hendrix freshman Spencer Smith at the Wash-U 1-yard-line, but Bears CB Andrew Skalman make the tackle at the buzzer to give them a hard-fought win.

Wash-U outgained Hendrix 524-448, including 304 yards rushing and averaging 6.2 yards per carry.  Hendrix (2-3) tossed the ball for 316 yards and a TD.

Bears QB Eric Daginella compiled 220 yards passing and a career-best 83 yards on 10 carries and 2 TDs.  RB Zach Lonneman also enjoyed a career-high 137 yards on 21 attempts and a TD.  Cody Ratermann had 2 TDs and 47 rushing yards.

Wash-U has a bye next week, and travels to Macalester in two weeks.  Following that game, the UAA schedule begins.  This football season is going to become much more entertaining...

Thanks for the report jaybird.  WashU offense has found its footing against a few lesser defenses.  CMU's been a shade disappointing, CWRU is off for a little while, but to me WashU looks like a clear-cut favorite now, although Chicago is a decent contender.  If WashU can run the table, they'll have a decent shot at Pool B.  Not sure that Chicago will since their losses are not quite as good as WashU's; the Bears will get a big SOS assist if UWW and/or Coe win their respective conferences.  It is conceivable that their losses will both come by 10-point margins against undefeated conference champs; while they're still a marginal playoff candidate, I could see them squeezing in if they are able to run the table and either UWW or Coe wins out.

Agree with this.  I'm not currently projecting WashU into the playoffs, but that's mostly because I'm doing a minimum of forecasting future results.  On the side though, yes, WashU is going to have a real shot at making the field. 

A quick Pool B breakdown here...I think Wesley is pretty safe, assuming they don't faceplant against Rowan.  So that leaves two more spots and basically seven teams: Millsaps, Texas Lutheran, Framingham State, Centre, Rhodes, Chicago, and WashU. 

Let's eliminate Chicago because in our hypothetical, WashU wins out which leaves Chicago with (at best) a two loss record and a loss to WashU...so they'd be out.  Table Framingham for the moment...we'll get back to them.  Millsaps, Centre, and Rhodes...worth looking at remaining schedules here:
Millsaps: @Birmingham-Southern, @Sewanee, Berry, Centre, @Rhodes
Centre: Sewanee, @Rhodes, Hendrix, @Millsaps, Birmingham-Southern
Rhodes: Centre, @Birmingham-Southern, @Hendrix, Millsaps

There's not a whole lot of gimmes on that list for anybody in the SAA. I think there are two scenarios likely here.  One is that one of these three emerges as either unbeaten or with one loss and is in good shape. The other is that they wipe each other out. 

Texas Lutheran...remaining schedule is: @Sul Ross State, @MissColl, Louisiana College, @Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne.  Sul Ross and Howard Payne don't look to provide a lot of resistance here.  Any of the other three I could see going either way.  The other thing here is that this group will help TLU's SOS some, but they won't all of a sudden have a top 30 schedule because of it.  If TLU can get through this with just one loss, I think they are pretty locked in.  Two losses and I don't think they'll have the SOS or any quality wins to get in. 

So that leaves Framingham State.  Remember now that last year the NEFC landed an at-large bid, controversially, and it happens because those teams have a decent SOS.  Now, we've got half of that group that is broken off but FSU is still carrying a big SOS.  It will temper some over time, but if they get through this thing and only have the single loss to Rowan, they become a serious player for a Pool B spot. 

So after all of that, I think what you're really looking at here is the SAA champion, WashU, and Framingham State in play for the third Pool B spot.  Those three teams are playing for two spots if TLU loses twice.  That's my long term Pool B analysis. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on October 15, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Wash-U survived a shootout in Conway, Arkansas this afternoon, as the Bears outlasted Hendrix 45-41.  Both teams' defenses were scrambling to keep up with the opposing offenses, and the game went down to the final play before it was decided.

Wash-U (4-2) scored the go-ahead TD with 51 seconds left, on a 17-yard pass from Eric Daginella to freshman Zach Strittmatter.  But, Hendrix drove to the Wash-U 35-yard-line and called timeout with 3.4 on the clock.  A Hail Mary pass was caught by Hendrix freshman Spencer Smith at the Wash-U 1-yard-line, but Bears CB Andrew Skalman make the tackle at the buzzer to give them a hard-fought win.

Wash-U outgained Hendrix 524-448, including 304 yards rushing and averaging 6.2 yards per carry.  Hendrix (2-3) tossed the ball for 316 yards and a TD.

Bears QB Eric Daginella compiled 220 yards passing and a career-best 83 yards on 10 carries and 2 TDs.  RB Zach Lonneman also enjoyed a career-high 137 yards on 21 attempts and a TD.  Cody Ratermann had 2 TDs and 47 rushing yards.

Wash-U has a bye next week, and travels to Macalester in two weeks.  Following that game, the UAA schedule begins.  This football season is going to become much more entertaining...

Thanks for the report jaybird.  WashU offense has found its footing against a few lesser defenses.  CMU's been a shade disappointing, CWRU is off for a little while, but to me WashU looks like a clear-cut favorite now, although Chicago is a decent contender.  If WashU can run the table, they'll have a decent shot at Pool B.  Not sure that Chicago will since their losses are not quite as good as WashU's; the Bears will get a big SOS assist if UWW and/or Coe win their respective conferences.  It is conceivable that their losses will both come by 10-point margins against undefeated conference champs; while they're still a marginal playoff candidate, I could see them squeezing in if they are able to run the table and either UWW or Coe wins out.

Agree with this.  I'm not currently projecting WashU into the playoffs, but that's mostly because I'm doing a minimum of forecasting future results.  On the side though, yes, WashU is going to have a real shot at making the field. 

A quick Pool B breakdown here...I think Wesley is pretty safe, assuming they don't faceplant against Rowan.  So that leaves two more spots and basically seven teams: Millsaps, Texas Lutheran, Framingham State, Centre, Rhodes, Chicago, and WashU. 

Let's eliminate Chicago because in our hypothetical, WashU wins out which leaves Chicago with (at best) a two loss record and a loss to WashU...so they'd be out.  Table Framingham for the moment...we'll get back to them.  Millsaps, Centre, and Rhodes...worth looking at remaining schedules here:
Millsaps: @Birmingham-Southern, @Sewanee, Berry, Centre, @Rhodes
Centre: Sewanee, @Rhodes, Hendrix, @Millsaps, Birmingham-Southern
Rhodes: Centre, @Birmingham-Southern, @Hendrix, Millsaps

There's not a whole lot of gimmes on that list for anybody in the SAA. I think there are two scenarios likely here.  One is that one of these three emerges as either unbeaten or with one loss and is in good shape. The other is that they wipe each other out. 

Texas Lutheran...remaining schedule is: @Sul Ross State, @MissColl, Louisiana College, @Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne.  Sul Ross and Howard Payne don't look to provide a lot of resistance here.  Any of the other three I could see going either way.  The other thing here is that this group will help TLU's SOS some, but they won't all of a sudden have a top 30 schedule because of it.  If TLU can get through this with just one loss, I think they are pretty locked in.  Two losses and I don't think they'll have the SOS or any quality wins to get in. 

So that leaves Framingham State.  Remember now that last year the NEFC landed an at-large bid, controversially, and it happens because those teams have a decent SOS.  Now, we've got half of that group that is broken off but FSU is still carrying a big SOS.  It will temper some over time, but if they get through this thing and only have the single loss to Rowan, they become a serious player for a Pool B spot. 

So after all of that, I think what you're really looking at here is the SAA champion, WashU, and Framingham State in play for the third Pool B spot.  Those three teams are playing for two spots if TLU loses twice.  That's my long term Pool B analysis. 

Wally - you obviously have given this a lot of thought.  Throwing out Framingham for now, how do you think the selection committee would look at a 2-loss Wash U versus a 1-loss Centre or Rhodes given that 1 loss is to Wash U?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: BearFan on October 15, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2013, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 12, 2013, 08:01:40 PM
Wash-U survived a shootout in Conway, Arkansas this afternoon, as the Bears outlasted Hendrix 45-41.  Both teams' defenses were scrambling to keep up with the opposing offenses, and the game went down to the final play before it was decided.

Wash-U (4-2) scored the go-ahead TD with 51 seconds left, on a 17-yard pass from Eric Daginella to freshman Zach Strittmatter.  But, Hendrix drove to the Wash-U 35-yard-line and called timeout with 3.4 on the clock.  A Hail Mary pass was caught by Hendrix freshman Spencer Smith at the Wash-U 1-yard-line, but Bears CB Andrew Skalman make the tackle at the buzzer to give them a hard-fought win.

Wash-U outgained Hendrix 524-448, including 304 yards rushing and averaging 6.2 yards per carry.  Hendrix (2-3) tossed the ball for 316 yards and a TD.

Bears QB Eric Daginella compiled 220 yards passing and a career-best 83 yards on 10 carries and 2 TDs.  RB Zach Lonneman also enjoyed a career-high 137 yards on 21 attempts and a TD.  Cody Ratermann had 2 TDs and 47 rushing yards.

Wash-U has a bye next week, and travels to Macalester in two weeks.  Following that game, the UAA schedule begins.  This football season is going to become much more entertaining...

Thanks for the report jaybird.  WashU offense has found its footing against a few lesser defenses.  CMU's been a shade disappointing, CWRU is off for a little while, but to me WashU looks like a clear-cut favorite now, although Chicago is a decent contender.  If WashU can run the table, they'll have a decent shot at Pool B.  Not sure that Chicago will since their losses are not quite as good as WashU's; the Bears will get a big SOS assist if UWW and/or Coe win their respective conferences.  It is conceivable that their losses will both come by 10-point margins against undefeated conference champs; while they're still a marginal playoff candidate, I could see them squeezing in if they are able to run the table and either UWW or Coe wins out.

Agree with this.  I'm not currently projecting WashU into the playoffs, but that's mostly because I'm doing a minimum of forecasting future results.  On the side though, yes, WashU is going to have a real shot at making the field. 

A quick Pool B breakdown here...I think Wesley is pretty safe, assuming they don't faceplant against Rowan.  So that leaves two more spots and basically seven teams: Millsaps, Texas Lutheran, Framingham State, Centre, Rhodes, Chicago, and WashU. 

Let's eliminate Chicago because in our hypothetical, WashU wins out which leaves Chicago with (at best) a two loss record and a loss to WashU...so they'd be out.  Table Framingham for the moment...we'll get back to them.  Millsaps, Centre, and Rhodes...worth looking at remaining schedules here:
Millsaps: @Birmingham-Southern, @Sewanee, Berry, Centre, @Rhodes
Centre: Sewanee, @Rhodes, Hendrix, @Millsaps, Birmingham-Southern
Rhodes: Centre, @Birmingham-Southern, @Hendrix, Millsaps

There's not a whole lot of gimmes on that list for anybody in the SAA. I think there are two scenarios likely here.  One is that one of these three emerges as either unbeaten or with one loss and is in good shape. The other is that they wipe each other out. 

Texas Lutheran...remaining schedule is: @Sul Ross State, @MissColl, Louisiana College, @Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne.  Sul Ross and Howard Payne don't look to provide a lot of resistance here.  Any of the other three I could see going either way.  The other thing here is that this group will help TLU's SOS some, but they won't all of a sudden have a top 30 schedule because of it.  If TLU can get through this with just one loss, I think they are pretty locked in.  Two losses and I don't think they'll have the SOS or any quality wins to get in. 

So that leaves Framingham State.  Remember now that last year the NEFC landed an at-large bid, controversially, and it happens because those teams have a decent SOS.  Now, we've got half of that group that is broken off but FSU is still carrying a big SOS.  It will temper some over time, but if they get through this thing and only have the single loss to Rowan, they become a serious player for a Pool B spot. 

So after all of that, I think what you're really looking at here is the SAA champion, WashU, and Framingham State in play for the third Pool B spot.  Those three teams are playing for two spots if TLU loses twice.  That's my long term Pool B analysis. 

Wally - you obviously have given this a lot of thought.  Throwing out Framingham for now, how do you think the selection committee would look at a 2-loss Wash U versus a 1-loss Centre or Rhodes given that 1 loss is to Wash U?

Not sure that's something you'll have to worry about.  They play each other (so one will take a loss), and both play Millsaps & Birmingham-Southern.  Too many scenarios in play there to figure out just yet to assume someone will finish 9-1.  Best advice: start rooting for Birmingham-Southern, who already has two losses, to knock off at least one of those teams, and then also hope that Centre/Millsaps/Rhodes trade losses so no one finishes better than 8-2.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 15, 2013, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: BearFan on October 15, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
Wally - you obviously have given this a lot of thought.  Throwing out Framingham for now, how do you think the selection committee would look at a 2-loss Wash U versus a 1-loss Centre or Rhodes given that 1 loss is to Wash U?

Great point and the multitude of h2h results really helps.  The answer is favorably.  Espeically if WashU can maintain a big gap in SOS advantage...I would think that as long as WashU maintains a 0.050 advantage there, plus the h2h result, would put them in front of a one loss Centre or Rhodes.  But as mentioned and noted again by ETP, this last month of games in the SAA is a meat grinder.  I kind of think that the only team that can get through it with a look at an invitation is Millsaps.  I think they've got a game to play with while the others don't...and especially since the others have lost already to WashU. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 17, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
Kids en route to Seattle, hope they have a safe trip and enjoy themselves.. Looking forward to the game on Saturday, these two weeks off have created withdrawal symptoms...
Looking for Case to come back strong and ready for the second half of the season...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 17, 2013, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: casefldad on October 17, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
Kids en route to Seattle, hope they have a safe trip and enjoy themselves.. Looking forward to the game on Saturday, these two weeks off have created withdrawal symptoms...
Looking for Case to come back strong and ready for the second half of the season...


Hope so!!! Spartans have underachieved a bit thus far but here's a chance to take some momentum into the UAA schedule! Also have to imagine that Puget Sound is a pretty cool campus?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on October 18, 2013, 12:14:29 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 17, 2013, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: casefldad on October 17, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
Kids en route to Seattle, hope they have a safe trip and enjoy themselves.. Looking forward to the game on Saturday, these two weeks off have created withdrawal symptoms...
Looking for Case to come back strong and ready for the second half of the season...


Hope so!!! Spartans have underachieved a bit thus far but here's a chance to take some momentum into the UAA schedule! Also have to imagine that Puget Sound is a pretty cool campus?

Long trip and they arrived after 11:00 p.m. (eastern time) but pretty excited.  Very excited about the practice at the professional stadium... I'm looking (hoping) for a big game from the team...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 18, 2013, 09:30:05 AM
Spartans are practicing at Seahawks' facility.  Seahawks practiced at CWRU before playing Browns two years ago.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on October 18, 2013, 02:56:39 PM
Best of luck to Case this weekend vs. Puget Sound.  If you will scroll down a bit from the top you will see that http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/ has picked you to win the game.  Hope it works out to be a successful weekend for the team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on October 19, 2013, 07:55:16 PM
Congratulations CWR for your victory in Puget Sound today.  That has got to make you feel good on your long plane ride home.   That has got to be a nice + to a challenging season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: CamCat on October 19, 2013, 07:55:16 PM
Congratulations CWR for your victory in Puget Sound today.  That has got to make you feel good on your long plane ride home.   That has got to be a nice + to a challenging season.

Not a Case fan, but a UAA fan - thanks for stopping by the board. Agree that is nice for the Spartans to get a W on the long road trip after two full weeks off.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 20, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
I was only able to watch the first half of the game, but I checked in on the score on my phone and it said CWRU was up 38-17 with 2 min left in the game.  What in the world happened after that to make it so close?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Two long TD passes around a recovered onside kick.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2013, 10:23:35 AM
This week WUStL should have no trouble with Macalester, while Chicago faces a challenge from Pacific and CWRU from Trinity.  CMU gets to lick its wounds, before UAA play starts.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 25, 2013, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 25, 2013, 10:23:35 AM
This week WUStL should have no trouble with Macalester, while Chicago faces a challenge from Pacific and CWRU from Trinity.  CMU gets to lick its wounds, before UAA play starts.

My take as well.  Chicago vs. Pacific will tell us a little something about both teams.  WashU, I'm starting to think, is a really undervalued team (consider that they lost to Whitewater 17-7 after leading 7-0 for almost the entire game; then look at what UWW has done since then, winning five straight games by 41+ points) and is a legitimate Pool B threat.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2013, 10:42:24 AM
On the other hand, the Bears' ten point loss to Coe isn't looking as good as it did before Dubuque handled Coe pretty easily.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 25, 2013, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 25, 2013, 10:42:24 AM
On the other hand, the Bears' ten point loss to Coe isn't looking as good as it did before Dubuque handled Coe pretty easily.

True, but the game was at Coe, who is still 5-1, and Dubuque is a pretty good team (good chance they'll win the IIAC).  I still think that's a decent-looking loss, IMO, as much as a loss can be.  Their defense has been pretty strong all season (the only team that scored a lot was Hendrix, and Hendrix is scoring on everyone), while the offense has only recently come on.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on October 26, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
Huh?  On that fake FG he never caught the ball, did he?  How did they give him a TD?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 26, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
Huh?  On that fake FG he never caught the ball, did he?  How did they give him a TD?

That's what the coaches were yelling: "He didn't catch the ball!"

With the interfernece call in the end zone would probably just prolomnged the inevitable.

Great win for the Spartans; surprising squeasker for the Bears
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 26, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Reporting in from the ISAF Headquarters in Kabul, Afghanistan.

I'm glad to see that the Spartans have gotten it together the last two weeks.  I was really worried.  Although a little down this season, Trinity has a great program with lots of winning tradition.  And they did come into the game with a winning record.

The conference schedule could prove interesting!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 27, 2013, 06:56:00 AM
Agree, Dagarman, even if Trinity is a bit down, that is a very, very nice win for Case (and by extension the UAA).  Discounting CMU's loss to FCS Mercer, the UAA finishes its nonconference season with 5-2 WashU, 5-2 Chicago, 3-3 CWRU, and 3-3 CMU for a total record of 16-10 against Division III opponents.  Not too shabby!

ADL, re a surprising squeaker for the Bears...I know it may be surprising since it looked like WashU had turned a corner offensively, but I'm not stunned.  I've been saying it all year, so pardon the repetition, but WashU has a terrific defense and a very mediocre offense.  I think they're a threat to beat all but the true elites of the Division because that defense is absolutely capable of playing with anyone...and they're a threat to LOSE to nearly anyone because you can't win without putting a few scores on the board and they struggle to do that in most games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 27, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
So does that mean you predict the Case/WashU game will be a low scoring affair?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2013, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 26, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
Huh?  On that fake FG he never caught the ball, did he?  How did they give him a TD?

Guess he hasn't seen the "Sportsmanship" PSA: "Coach, I touched it."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
Macalester has a mediocre defense, so I would expect WUStL, based on recent performance, to get better than one TD and more than one red zone chance.

Good teams win even when they have off days, though.

Spartans' O seems to have found its stride.  Olson playing like 2011.  Spartans see a tough D next, as Chicago was 22nd in total defense before yesterday (and their average only went up one yard after Pacific), but a weaker schedule than WUStL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 27, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
I just saw the Kalkstein didn't play against Mercer.  Was he injured?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 28, 2013, 09:01:59 AM
Don't actually know about Kalkstein.  One theory is that the CMU coaches knew the Mercer game was a) irrelevant to team goals for the season and b) likely unwinnable (Mercer is now 7-1 against mostly FCS competition) and they decided to rest key players with a nagging injury and let a few other kids get some experience.  Several key players did play, but exited the game early once it got lopsided.  Better to have everyone healthy and take a shot at the UAA games, perhaps.

Agreed re: WashU against Macalester, ADL, I did think they'd score more than 7 points, but I'm just not shocked that they only scored seven.  That offense, with one or two exceptions, has struggled all year.  Their defense is top-25-national-caliber, IMO, and not just in terms of statistics but in terms of actual play against good teams.  Chicago has a nice defense, but as you said, their statistics are compiled against a slightly lesser schedule than what WashU has faced.  WashU held Whitewater off the scoreboard until the fourth quarter.  Whitewater is 7-0 and in the driver's seat in the WIAC.

SpartanMom, I would expect CWRU vs. WashU to be low-scoring when it happens, yes.  I actually expect all of the UAA games to be fairly low-scoring with the possible exception of CMU-CWRU.  Chicago and WashU both have very good defenses and so-so offenses.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2013, 06:46:43 PM
ExTartan:

How did it come about that CMU decided to play FCS Mercer of the Pioneer Football League?  I guess that is no different than other DIII schools who play FCS schools, particularly ones from the PFL, such as Dayton Drake, Valpo, Butler, etc.  While I realize some of our DIII colleagues don't care for that type of non-conference scheduling, I've always been a fan/proponent of it for various reasons, which I won't reiterate (or bore anyone with) here. :)  Anyway, even though CMU lost, I'll bet it was a neat trip and playing front of the +8,000 crowds that Mercer is getting this year (they had over 12,000 at their season opening/new stadium dedication game in their PFL debut this year in late August). 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2013, 08:26:16 PM
To answer your question.  CWRU and CMU scrambled to fill out their schedules, since they needed games with no return, because of their joining the PAC next season.  Mercer, likewise is moving to the SoCon next season and didn't need a return game.

CWRU was only able to schedule nine games, although I think they missed the chance to schedule Alfred State.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2013, 09:43:34 PM
ADL70:

Thanks for the reply and info,  Very interesting that Mercer is abandoning the Pioneer Football League after a short stint there, although I guess it makes sense with regard to the travel distances and associated costs with that.  Although I usually follow that kind of "stuff" more closely, I hadn't heard about their planned move to the SoCon.  I assume that is the one with Furman and the Citadel?  And if so, do you know if they are going the scholarship route then in their FCS status instead of the FCS non-scholarship venue that the PFL has?  I think the PFL's sees their philosophy as a decent situation i.e. they save $ in not having football scholarships, but despite the costs due to the long travel distances across the country because of the scattered membership, the overall costs are still obviously less than they would be if they had had both cost factors involved.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2013, 10:34:27 PM
Mercer's move is for all sports (I seem to recall they have a pretty good men's basketball program).  SoCon is scholarship football.

http://mercerbears.com/athleticDept/SoCon_Invite
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2013, 05:36:59 PM
Looking ahead to Saturday, I see much of Chicago's success has been from takeaways (+11 ).  If the Spartans protect the ball as they have done most of the season (only 5 lost fumbles and 0 int for Olson), they can beat the Maroons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2013, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 30, 2013, 05:36:59 PM
Looking ahead to Saturday, I see much of Chicago's success has been from takeaways (+11 ).  If the Spartans protect the ball as they have done most of the season (only 5 lost fumbles and 0 int for Olson), they can beat the Maroons.

Agreed.  UAA conference play is always is pretty unpredictable and fun.  Chicago and WashU both harbor faint playoff hopes and need to win to keep them alive.  CMU and Case have three wins apiece and need to win a couple each to finish on the right side of the .500 ledger.  Should be an interesting finish to the season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 30, 2013, 08:03:01 PM
It is true that Wash-U's offense reverted back to its sputtering form of the first 3 weeks of the season.  A constant 25 MPH wind and the loss of the top RB to injury had a hand in the difficulty, but the team seemed to play with one eye on the following week.

The following week is here, so there is no room for excuses and lackluster quarters.  The team that parlays most of its opportunities and shoots itself in the foot the least will emerge as the UAA champ.  WashU has to be especially careful and avoid penalties that wipe out big plays...something that has been a problem for the Bears this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 30, 2013, 10:01:34 PM
Looks like Lonneman is out for this week as well, per the two-deep.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 31, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
If so, then the top three RBs that started the season have been felled by injuries.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 02, 2013, 02:31:34 PM
WashU survived CMU 9-7, hitting a 44-yard FG with 8 seconds to go for the win. Wow. Will post some thoughts from computer later.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 03, 2013, 02:07:06 AM
I'm surprised at how well Case's defense shut down Chicago, which came into the game with a winning record.

Perhaps this team has turned over a new leaf, starting with Trinity.

The rest of this conference schedule could prove more interesting than I thought.  After Oberlin and Frostburg State, my expectations were very low.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 03, 2013, 07:43:26 AM
First Week of UAA Play Thoughts:

CMU vs. WashU: For most of the first half, I was watching from inside CMU's pool (which looks out towards the football field) because my cousin (a senior at Clarion) was swimming in a meet at CMU, so I'd watch her, scurry over to the window and watch til she was up again, etc.  I did see most of the action, though, and once the meet wrapped up I saw the entire second half from the field.

Cold, hard truth: WashU was the better team, they were moving the ball better than we were, but the CMU defense repeatedly came up with critical turnovers to keep WashU off the board.  Our offense was getting nowhere, we barely had any first downs in the second half, and the one time we did penetrate their territory, we coughed it up ourselves.  But we came up with a pick on a 3rd-and-1, a sack-fumble, and a fumble on a run-after-catch (all in the game's last 17 minutes, all inside our territory).  Two final key points here:

a) With about three minutes remaining and WashU facing 3rd-and-19, WashU's QB tossed up a softball over the middle which was briefly caught by their WR until he was viciously leveled by our best LB.  Now, truth he told, he was "high" but after watching the play full-speed I immediately had two thoughts: one, they're gonna call this targeting and two, man that sucks because our LB had not lined the kid up and taken a 15 yard run at him, it was a bang-bang play where he changed directions when the ball was thrown and he was just trying to get to the ball.  I was correct - flag thrown, double whammy.  15 yards, first down, and perhaps most critically: our best LB off the field for the remainder of the game.  No blame on the referees: they're supposed to emphasize that rule this year - but man, that was tough to see.

I can't say that it decided the game - WashU did not score on that possession, as the CMU defense came up with a turnover a few plays later and the CMU offense still got their chance to run the clock out - but the 15 yards of field position and ability to continue the drive MAY have made a difference (if we get the ball back at that juncture, maybe we can salt the game away).  More important is that our best LB was off the field for the eventual game-deciding drive.  I felt awful, awful, awful for the poor kid.  He was clearly emotionally distraught as he walked off the field, first to our sideline, and then was told he had to go into the locker room.  And, whammo, my opinion of the targeting rule was validated right there.  Flag helmet-to-helmet hits, fine, but seeing that kid have to leave the field with three minutes to go in a one-point game was just heart-wrenching.  As I've said, I would much prefer that nobody gets thrown out for those, but rather that questionable hits can be reviewed by the league office and a suspension can be doled out for the next game if they truly deem it to be targeting.

As I said, though, it didn't decide the game.  CMU still had an opportunity to win the game and should have done it.  We got the ball back after their final turnover with 1:17 remaining and WashU holding all three timeouts and needed ONE first down to end the game (by the way, kids, this is why pissing away your timeouts during the half is an absolute killer - if WashU had wasted even ONE timeout during the second half, they never get the ball back - kudos to Coach Kindbom for keeping all three in his pocket for the eventual game deciding situation).  Our offense could go nowhere and we had to punt the ball back to them with 50 seconds to go.  We even got them to a 4th-and-11 at midfield...and they got the ONE big completion they needed to move down into FG range.  A few plays later, 44-yard FG, good, ballgame.

A few words on WashU: now that I've seen them in person, I will confirm a few things I've already said about them.  Their defense is not very big but they are very technically sound and very fast.  CMU's offense isn't all that great, admittedly, but WashU had an answer for every single thing; their defense can play with all but a handful of Division III teams.  Even a team like Mount Union, I bet they could "slow down" compared to season averages (i.e. they could hold a Mount to something like 34 points instead of 58).  But their lack of firepower on offense just kills them.  Look at what CMU's defense has allowed most of the season - as well as they played yesterday, that is just not a very good defense...and they held WashU to a single touchdown drive off a turnover and a late-game FG.  They gained 245 yards, averaging 3.4 yards per pass play and 3.1 yards per rush against our VERY mediocre defense.  If they get in through Pool B and draw the right first round matchup, they might win solely because their defense balls out....but their offense will not scare ANYONE in the playoffs.

Dagarman, re: CWRU-Chicago, the result does not surprise me that much despite Chicago's 5-2 record.  UChi was not really expected to be very good this season and they really had overachieved to this point; besides, they five teams they have beaten are 1-8, 1-7, 3-5, 4-4, and 3-5.  The best win is either Kalamazoo or Elmhurst.  They deserve credit for winning games in their first season with a new coach, but it just should be noted that their schedule looked a bit tougher entering the season (Concordia and Elmurst were both playoff teams in 2012) than it looks now.

The big surprise to me is the 180 CWRU has done since losing to Oberlin and Frostburg.  They've gone ahead and beaten three decent teams since then.  I still favor WashU to win the UAA on the strength of their defense, but I expect low-scoring defensive battles in all games the next few weeks!

I say this with no disrespect meant, but with curiosity to the CWRU fans: what has happened to the Case running game?  With Riordan, Hanzlik and Sicre back, I expected them to be quite productive on the ground this year, but it has not really come together.  Not trying to step on any toes - just surprised that they have not been a bit better in the ground game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 03, 2013, 10:04:51 AM
As a former OL stalwart, I thought you might have surmised the troubles with the Spartan running game were injuries to two OL starters.  I am still surprised by the lack of potency since Riordan ripped off consistent 5-7 yard gains vs BW in the scrimmage.  But he did rush for 96 vs Trinity (albeit mostly on three of his fifteen rushes (35, 13, and 13) and he, Hanzlik, and Beecher all had a bit game vs Frostburg.

With the two week, mid-season mini-camp, I thought that the team would get "coached up" and it has proved true.  Especially Olson has been much improved since the break.

Next week in St. Louis will be a de facto UAA title game (at least as far as an outright title goes).

Should the UAA Offensive Player of the Week be vacant this week?

If the over/under for the remaining UAA games was 21 would anyone take the over?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 03, 2013, 11:41:05 AM
Did not realize CWRU was missing some OL - that will indeed do it.

Agree that next week's winner will be the only one with a chance at an outright title - although it would not surprise me if they were to lose the following week, all four appear within shouting distance of one another.

The eventual WashU-Chicago game may come down to "penalty kicks" (an OT field goal contest). Two very good defenses and struggling offenses.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 06, 2013, 10:33:58 AM

WUStL feature:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2013/washington-university-biting-nails

Trying to make sense of the 45-41 Hendrix win.  At first glance, the Drive Summary showed Hendrix starting most drives in Bear territory, but upon further review most should have been show starting on the HC side of the field.

HC did return a KO for a TD, but they also made 26 first downs (14 pass, 8 rush).  Bears' had no turnovers.

Two HC QBs combined 26-34-0  76.5% 316yds 1 TD

Coe and Centre each passed for nearly 300 yds, so if there is a weakness in the Bears' D it would appear to be the pass.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 06, 2013, 10:45:57 AM
That Hendrix win stands out as an anomaly both for the WashU offense and defense.  I just chalk it up toe Hendrix having an offense that has scored on everybody and a defense that has struggled to stop everybody.  That game looks much more like an outlier than a true indication of WashU's ability, given that they've lost by scores of 17-7 and 10-0 and won other games by scores of 10-7 (OT), 9-7, and 7-0.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
Pat Coleman re WUStL:

Nearly losing to Macalester makes it difficult for me to like their chances vs. Case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 09, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
Glad Pat was wrong.  Go Bears!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
Congrats to the Bears.

Playoff chances improve as HSU outscores TLU 76-41 and Millsaps escapes with a 1 point OT win over Centre (Colonels went for 2 and failed in first OT).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 09, 2013, 10:21:08 PM
UGH!!!

That was an old fashioned BUTT KICKIN'!!!

Good job Bears!!!

I just hope that we can salvage a winning season next week in the Academic Bowl.

If that happens, then we can at least say that we made it through the most bizarre schedule in school history over .500.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 13, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
Per the Carnegie Mellon Athletics facebook page, the Academic Bowl will be mentioned briefly on ESPN College GameDay on Saturday morning between 10 and 10:15 AM as part of a discussion of college football rivalries!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 13, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
Rivalry between Washington University Bears Football and Chicago to be featured on College GameDay Saturday at 10 a.m. (ET). Set those DVRs!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 13, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: mck99 on November 13, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
Rivalry between Washington University Bears Football and Chicago to be featured on College GameDay Saturday at 10 a.m. (ET). Set those DVRs!

Wait...really?  They're going to mention all FOUR of the UAA schools?  Ugh, I have plans at that time too!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2013, 12:09:32 PM
Interesting schedule quirk, CWRU-CMU is last game this season and first game next.

Does that effect who gets PT this week?  Beecher over Olson  Sicre over Riordan (although he does have a potential extra year for medical)

You want to win this year, but if the underclassmen are getting the job done do you stick with them?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 14, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
I see arguments both ways.  Personally...since there's nothing but pride at stake...I would play the seniors most of the game if possible.  It's nice to get underclassmen game experience when possible, but getting the seniors PT means something to underclass players, too, knowing that seniors are rewarded for sticking around the program (and I say this even though I started the last two games of my freshman season over a senior that had started the previous year).  It is kind of a bummer to watch a senior with a lot of starting experience sit on the bench for his entire final game, especially if the kid is a known good soldier.  One option is to find ways to get both involved, another is to get some of the seniors onto special teams where they might not otherwise play if you really want to get the young kids PT on offense/defense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2013, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 14, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
I see arguments both ways.  Personally...since there's nothing but pride at stake...I would play the seniors most of the game if possible.  It's nice to get underclassmen game experience when possible, but getting the seniors PT means something to underclass players, too, knowing that seniors are rewarded for sticking around the program (and I say this even though I started the last two games of my freshman season over a senior that had started the previous year).  It is kind of a bummer to watch a senior with a lot of starting experience sit on the bench for his entire final game, especially if the kid is a known good soldier.  One option is to find ways to get both involved, another is to get some of the seniors onto special teams where they might not otherwise play if you really want to get the young kids PT on offense/defense.

Excellent post, ExTartanPlayer.  I agree with you about the dilemma as well as your philosophy.  I recall when I was coaching as an assistant in college, I had the same thoughts and mission to get those guys in the last game or two for all the same reasons and the same manner.  It was important and one never knows how much just that little decision in doing so will mean to a guy and how that may affect him and his memories of an entire college career/experience later on in his life.  We all know that the obvious goal is to use the best players, however, at the same time, I am always disappointed when some coaches don't put players in those "last chance ever" situations, especially the seniors (but even sometimes the "upper"-underclassmen who haven't had much P.T. during the season)  even for a few minutes or few plays, especially when the outcome of the game is already decided.  In that regard, I agree with you that the other players (and underclassmen) certainly understand. I'm sure some of our colleagues will disagree with me on that, however, IMO, there really is no excuse/no reason not too-there is no way that will hurt the team. ::) :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: CamCat on November 15, 2013, 11:23:42 PM
Best wishes to CWR tomorrow vs. Carnegie Mellon. It's nice to see you winning some games and wish you the best in winning tomorrow and ending the year with a winning season. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on November 16, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
Congrats Bears!!!!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
Well, CMU fought their hearts out.  Good game!

I guess we Spartan fans should be thankful that we managed to salvage a winning season and a winning record in the UAA, despite having incomprehensible defeats to the likes of Oberlin and Frostburg early on.

Now.......................ON TO THE PAC!!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2013, 12:19:07 AM
Quote from: WashUDad on November 16, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
Congrats Bears!!!!!!!

Millsaps lost to Rhodes which gives the Bears a real shot at post-season glory.

And the gurus project a favorable first round match-up at Wartburg, not Platteville.

Go UAA!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on November 17, 2013, 06:39:55 PM
Great to see the Bear's grab a Pool B bid.  Shows that strength of schedule is still important - at least  this year.  Looks  like the Franklin match up will be a high powered offense vs. a stingy defense.  Looking at the Franklin season, struggling to understand the Blufton loss.  Great to get in and hope to do  the UAA proud!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 17, 2013, 08:10:18 PM
WASHU Reacts to Making Playoffs for Second Time in School History: http://youtu.be/0uZeaZNRt_Y
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 17, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: mck99 on November 17, 2013, 08:10:18 PM
WASHU Reacts to Making Playoffs for Second Time in School History: http://youtu.be/0uZeaZNRt_Y

Awesome video! Congratulations to Wash U for a great season and for making the playoffs.  Well done!!  Much respect to Coach Kindbom and Wash U for scheduling UW-W the past two years. Not many will answer that call. Franklin will be a worthy opponent.  They are another team who has earned respect through aggressive scheduling. It should be a great game on Saturday!!

Good luck in the playoffs and enjoy!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
Get past Franklin and the reward--rematch with UWW.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
Wasn't very optimistic that WashU would get in the playoffs... and I absolutely expected the Grizzlies to be on the road. Shows how much I know ::)
Congrats to the Bears and I can't wait to see how it goes Saturday in Franklin :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
That was a neat video of WashU's reaction.  Thanks for posting.

I will be interested to see how the Bears do against Franklin.  Interesting first-round matchup.  As I've said all year, WashU has a terrific defense and a so-so offense, but that defense is good enough to keep them in games with all but a handful of D3 teams.  Franklin provides a very interesting challenge with Jonny West and a very productive passing game.  The Bears will have to get a bit of a rushing attack going to have a chance; I don't think they can win a shootout with the Grizz, but nor do I think they can expect to hold Franklin to single digits as they have many of their other opponents.  A few long possessions will be key, as will turnovers.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 24, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
Congrats to Coach Kindbom and WashU on their playoff appearance and acquitting themselves quite well yesterday.  Franklin has a very powerful offense and the Bears shut them down, as they have done all season.  That WashU defense must go down as one of the best units in the conference's history.  14 points allowed in the three UAA games; 127 overall in 11 games (86 in 10 if you remove the Hendrix shootout); and holding some very, very, very good opponents to just 17 (UWW, Franklin) meaning that they could shut down very good teams as well as their peers.  I haven't looked at their two-deep to see how many defensive starters return next year but if a fair number do, they will be a tough out again.  Bears, get yourself some offense!  I want to see what that defense can do if you can give'em 20 points a game!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on November 24, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 24, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
Congrats to Coach Kindbom and WashU on their playoff appearance and acquitting themselves quite well yesterday.  Franklin has a very powerful offense and the Bears shut them down, as they have done all season.  That WashU defense must go down as one of the best units in the conference's history.  14 points allowed in the three UAA games; 127 overall in 11 games (86 in 10 if you remove the Hendrix shootout); and holding some very, very, very good opponents to just 17 (UWW, Franklin) meaning that they could shut down very good teams as well as their peers.  I haven't looked at their two-deep to see how many defensive starters return next year but if a fair number do, they will be a tough out again.  Bears, get yourself some offense!  I want to see what that defense can do if you can give'em 20 points a game!

Very exciting game on Saturday.  Once again, one more long scoring drive by the offense would have helped tremendously.  The weather played a major factor also - very windy and cold.  Wash U controlled the third quarter with the wind and went up 10-7.  The fourth quarter was all Franklin with Wash U being unable to turn the field and consistently having to punt into the wind.  I think Franklin's  worst starting field position in the 4th quarter was about their own 45.  Even on the final TD,  the Franklin QB was quoted as saying he was actually throwing to another receiver and the ball carried  to the other guy.  Great year for the Bears and lots of reasons to be very optimistic about next year with a slightly more favorable schedule.

The Bears will lose 6 starters on defense, including 3 linemen, 1 linebacker and 2 db's.  One thing Coach Kindbom does well is rotate a lot of players in, so the first line of replacements for these six all have considerable playing time under their belts.  Only losing 3 starters on offense including the QB.  Back-up QB at the end of the year was a freshman who looked pretty good in limited action.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: BearFan on November 24, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 24, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
Congrats to Coach Kindbom and WashU on their playoff appearance and acquitting themselves quite well yesterday.  Franklin has a very powerful offense and the Bears shut them down, as they have done all season.  That WashU defense must go down as one of the best units in the conference's history.  14 points allowed in the three UAA games; 127 overall in 11 games (86 in 10 if you remove the Hendrix shootout); and holding some very, very, very good opponents to just 17 (UWW, Franklin) meaning that they could shut down very good teams as well as their peers.  I haven't looked at their two-deep to see how many defensive starters return next year but if a fair number do, they will be a tough out again.  Bears, get yourself some offense!  I want to see what that defense can do if you can give'em 20 points a game!

Very exciting game on Saturday.  Once again, one more long scoring drive by the offense would have helped tremendously.  The weather played a major factor also - very windy and cold.  Wash U controlled the third quarter with the wind and went up 10-7.  The fourth quarter was all Franklin with Wash U being unable to turn the field and consistently having to punt into the wind.  I think Franklin's  worst starting field position in the 4th quarter was about their own 45.  Even on the final TD,  the Franklin QB was quoted as saying he was actually throwing to another receiver and the ball carried  to the other guy.  Great year for the Bears and lots of reasons to be very optimistic about next year with a slightly more favorable schedule.

The Bears will lose 6 starters on defense, including 3 linemen, 1 linebacker and 2 db's.  One thing Coach Kindbom does well is rotate a lot of players in, so the first line of replacements for these six all have considerable playing time under their belts.  Only losing 3 starters on offense including the QB.  Back-up QB at the end of the year was a freshman who looked pretty good in limited action.

A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AlleghenyAlum on December 11, 2013, 02:15:28 PM
No mention of the CMU OC retiring?  http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201311196j74qb

I'm curious to see if they'll just hire in house and continue on with the same offensive scheme.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 11, 2013, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: AlleghenyAlum on December 11, 2013, 02:15:28 PM
No mention of the CMU OC retiring?  http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201311196j74qb

I'm curious to see if they'll just hire in house and continue on with the same offensive scheme.

Thought I had said something about this, must have been in a PM elsewhere.  Coach Erdelyi had his critics and his defenders, but I am a loyal soldier and genuinely liked CMU running the wing-T, especially because he did include some wrinkles and shotgun stuff that added a passing element while keeping a lot of wing-T running elements.  It's not going to work widespread but that's the point; CMU does have a bit of an advantage because nobody else plays this offense.

I have no insider information, but I suspect that CMU will hire from within.  Running backs coach Jeff Simmons (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/coaches/simmons_jeff) appears to be a logical successor; his grandfather was Coach Lackner's predecessor as head coach, he has been an assistant on the offensive staff for eight years (the last four as a fulltime assistant, has coached both RB's and WR's and was a college QB himself) and sliding into the offensive coordinator's job looks like a nice promotion and a POSSIBLE trial to be Coach Lackner's potential successor someday if he wants that job as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: AlleghenyAlum on December 12, 2013, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 11, 2013, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: AlleghenyAlum on December 11, 2013, 02:15:28 PM
No mention of the CMU OC retiring?  http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201311196j74qb

I'm curious to see if they'll just hire in house and continue on with the same offensive scheme.

Thought I had said something about this, must have been in a PM elsewhere.  Coach Erdelyi had his critics and his defenders, but I am a loyal soldier and genuinely liked CMU running the wing-T, especially because he did include some wrinkles and shotgun stuff that added a passing element while keeping a lot of wing-T running elements.  It's not going to work widespread but that's the point; CMU does have a bit of an advantage because nobody else plays this offense.

I have no insider information, but I suspect that CMU will hire from within.  Running backs coach Jeff Simmons (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/coaches/simmons_jeff) appears to be a logical successor; his grandfather was Coach Lackner's predecessor as head coach, he has been an assistant on the offensive staff for eight years (the last four as a fulltime assistant, has coached both RB's and WR's and was a college QB himself) and sliding into the offensive coordinator's job looks like a nice promotion and a POSSIBLE trial to be Coach Lackner's potential successor someday if he wants that job as well.

Very cool, that sounds like a smooth transition and would definitely make sense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 27, 2014, 04:34:35 PM
2014 Schedules:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Pages/schedule.aspx

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/schedule

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future


SoCal QB reported coming to CWRU:

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/connor-simpson/7wNbg_TqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfTbz86paJk
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on January 28, 2014, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 27, 2014, 04:34:35 PM
2014 Schedules:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Football/Pages/schedule.aspx

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/schedule

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future

That @W&J, @WUStl, @TMC triple is brutal for Case.  I haven't perused a lot of of 2014 schedules, but outside of something like Wesley tends to do, there won't be many teams playing a tougher three-game stretch than this.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 28, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
Yep, would be nice to swap one of them with TC or SVC.  Then for '16 & '17 neither W&J or TMC is on the sched.

Still it's later in the year, rather than Franklin, which opens with IWU and  UW-W, back to back. L
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 08, 2014, 03:49:55 PM
UChi sched

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/2014012942veyl

Signing day is pretty meaningless for D3, but there are always a few announcements and faux signings.  The PD reports these commitments:

Alex Habeeb (Avon)  5'9 195 LB   Div II Dist HM
     http://www.hudl.com/athlete/525305/alex-habeeb#
Pete Lemaster (Chardon)  6' 190 LB/DE  Div III Dist 2nd Team
     http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/2626123/highlights/98477377
Anthony Canganelli (Mayfield)  5'9 185  RB/P  '13 DivII Dist 2nd Team P   '12 2nd Team RB

Canganelli looks to be quick, reportedly 4.5/40 and 11.03/100, but tough, also played LB and benches 300 and squats 450.  Looks like he could fill either Sicre or Lapcevic's shoes in 2015.

But the big news, both literally and figuratively, is St Ed LG Gage Blair (6'1 275), a two year starter, has committed to CWRU, despite having offers reported on the St Ed's site from Penn, Davidson, and Hopkins.  http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/676210/highlights/1

Jacob Burke (Johnstown Northridge) RB/LB 6-1 215  Dist IV HM as Jr injuries limited sr year
     http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/oh/johnstown/northridge-high-school-johnstown/jacob-burke5
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocyMMORLIRE

Another big lineman  Ryan DeMarinis (Westwood MA) '6-2 290
     http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/786753/highlights/77894380

With the SoCal QB previously noted the critical needs of QB, OL, and RB look to be being met early.  There are two more linemen and an All-Ohio QB who have expressed interest, but have yet to commit.

This is the most commitments I have seen this early and Debs, who is typically pessimistic during recruiting is said to be very pleased and thinks there are 4-5 commits who could contribute right away.

I just noticed that the UAA and PAC boards are both on page 213.  Kinda spooky.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 21, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
Another OL commit for CWRU

Ryan Merlau 6'3 255 Yorkshire NY Pioneer

No highlights on-line

His list of awards include Section 6 Scholar Athlete of the Year, NSYPHSAA scholar athlete, being a member of the Western New York All-Academic Team, a Trench Trophy finalist (top lineman in WestNY), All-Western New York and All-State honorable mentions as well as first-team all-league.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on February 27, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
CMU hires new offensive coordinator to take Erdelyi's place:

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20140220m3uwbq

Kind of a surprising hire, although I can imagine a few reasons why this might be a good fit.  Helms coached Division III ball in the 1990's but has been a high school coach for awhile; with that caveat mentioned, I'm certainly not one to proclaim that D3 schools should not hire HS coaches, and it's possible that he runs a system that Coach Lackner favors installing now that Erdelyi has retired.  I was a big fan of CMU running the wing-T (it helps to be a little different when you can't necessarily just "recruit better talent" than your opponents).

I'll have to send spies to spring practice in a few weeks to see what the offense looks like.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on March 19, 2014, 06:42:45 PM
Spring ball started at 6:45 a.m. this morning for the Bears!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151921868547821&set=vb.162416397820&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151921868547821&set=vb.162416397820&type=2&theater)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 26, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
Another SoCal QB to CWRU, Mac Vail Dana Point CA:
http://www.ocvarsity.com/ocvarsity/football-72850-recruiting-offers.html
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/740247/mac-vail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YhVcLt61Qg
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 04, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
All Ohio LB Justin McMahon (6-1, 215) reported to have commited to CWRUhttp://www.hudl.com/athlete/501287/justin-mcmahon

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/501287/justin-mcmahon



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 05, 2014, 09:36:40 AM
Chicago announces 33 recruits:

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20140228caqv90

9 from Cali
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 09, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
Another CWRU QB commit:

Robert Cuda South Elgin IL 6'1 200  2x All-State HM

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1420006/rob-cuda
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 15, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
CWRU commit Cody Calhoun, an All-Ohio DB/ATH from Columbus Watterson, has been selected to play in the Ohio North-South All-Star game.  First time I can recall a CWRU recruit playing in the game, although starting last year the rosters were in essence doubled with the addition of a second game for the smaller school players.  The JJHuddle site had him rated one of the top 200 prospects in Ohio for the class of 2014.


http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/1045655/highlights/77935378
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 19, 2014, 03:54:48 AM
Case's new athletic director is Amy Backus, a former women's basketball head coach at Northwestern U. and Yale, and now a Senior Associate Athletic Director at Yale.

http://cwru-daily.com/news/cwru-names-yales-amy-backus-athletic-director/ (http://cwru-daily.com/news/cwru-names-yales-amy-backus-athletic-director/)

On top of that, she's also an accomplished women's basketball player and an Olympic caliber sailing competitor.

See below:

http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/backus_amy00.html (http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/backus_amy00.html)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 19, 2014, 06:30:39 AM
Glad to see you are well, Dagarman. You had been abroad, no? Are you still overseas?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 19, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
Yes, I'm in Afghanistan until August.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 20, 2014, 12:10:33 AM
Gang,

Not sure if this is the right forum, but how would you feel about the UAA sponsoring Division III lacrosse?

First of all, how many UAA schools currently have lacrosse teams?  Are there enough for legitimate conference competition?

I'm tempted to send an e-mail to our new AD and ask her about the possibiltity of Case adding men's and women's lacrosse as varsity sports.  We wouldn't need any additional infrastructure, and players buy much of their own equipment.  We could also start up some good local non-conference rivalries with teams like Oberlin.

Just a thought!

What do you say?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 20, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
Hm. Lacrosse is certainly gaining popularity as a high school sport in PA (particularly in schools near the bigger cities, Philly and Pittsburgh).

CMU has had club lacrosse teams since I was in school; I'm not sure how serious they are now. When I was in school the guys' team was pretty serious and could play some competitive games against decent teams, the girls were much less serious (like, they only practiced once a week and even those basically were just goofing-around sessions). You're correct that lacrosse would not require additional facilities but don't underestimate the expenses of uniforms, travel, paying a coach, plus the need to find field time for the extra teams (not as easy as you think if men's and women's lacrosse share 1-2 turf fields with football, 2 soccer teams, and possibly track).

Not saying it couldn't be done, but it's not a trivial thing and would probably cost more than you think.

I'd like to see it. Lacrosse is a cool sport.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 20, 2014, 07:03:49 PM
I couldn't find any UAA schools that have varsity lacrosse.  I thought Rochester might in the Liberty League, but even they don't.

If CMU were to add a sport, I'd rather it was baseball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 20, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
Baseball requires an expensive new facility. Lacrosse is already built. Makes lax very attractive
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 21, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's really practical for CMU to add baseball because of the field/facilities reason.  There's no realistic place on or near campus for a baseball field; they just turfed the practice field next to Gesling Stadium for use as a soccer field and intramurals, but you can't really turn that into a baseball field (no mound, no infield), which kind of makes jknezek's point; CMU already has 2 turf fields that are viable for use by lacrosse teams, versus zero usable facilities for a baseball team.  No place on campus to build any sort of indoor practice facility either.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 21, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 21, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's really practical for CMU to add baseball because of the field/facilities reason.  There's no realistic place on or near campus for a baseball field; they just turfed the practice field next to Gesling Stadium for use as a soccer field and intramurals, but you can't really turn that into a baseball field (no mound, no infield), which kind of makes jknezek's point; CMU already has 2 turf fields that are viable for use by lacrosse teams, versus zero usable facilities for a baseball team.  No place on campus to build any sort of indoor practice facility either.

I remember well from visiting when my sister went to CMU. Long time ago now, but her first couple years the center of campus where the football stadium is was just a working crater. Her last two years it was a great place to see a game, with an awesome new student center, but it was a very cramped urban campus. I don't think baseball is really a possibility. Baseball and softball fields are so limited in their purpose they are just a huge financial liability. One of the big reasons the Olympics dropped those sports.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 21, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 21, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's really practical for CMU to add baseball because of the field/facilities reason.  There's no realistic place on or near campus for a baseball field; they just turfed the practice field next to Gesling Stadium for use as a soccer field and intramurals, but you can't really turn that into a baseball field (no mound, no infield), which kind of makes jknezek's point; CMU already has 2 turf fields that are viable for use by lacrosse teams, versus zero usable facilities for a baseball team.  No place on campus to build any sort of indoor practice facility either.

I remember well from visiting when my sister went to CMU. Long time ago now, but her first couple years the center of campus where the football stadium is was just a working crater. Her last two years it was a great place to see a game, with an awesome new student center, but it was a very cramped urban campus. I don't think baseball is really a possibility. Baseball and softball fields are so limited in their purpose they are just a huge financial liability. One of the big reasons the Olympics dropped those sports.

Hasn't stopped the club team:  http://www.cmubaseball.com/

I had thought there might be a diamond in Schenley Park, but doesn't look like there is.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 21, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
The only mention I could find of where they play is Esmark Field. I looked that up and it appears to be almost 20 miles off campus. I could easily have pulled the wrong field, or that isn't where they play most home games, but it was all I could find. I played club rugby in college and remember finding ways to drive the players to games a couple hours away every other week. It was a royal pain and expensive in gas at the time. Luckily we played on campus for home games. I can't imagine how hard it must be to organize this team if they have to play 20 miles off campus. Kudos to them for doing a good job.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 21, 2014, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 21, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 21, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Yeah, I don't think it's really practical for CMU to add baseball because of the field/facilities reason.  There's no realistic place on or near campus for a baseball field; they just turfed the practice field next to Gesling Stadium for use as a soccer field and intramurals, but you can't really turn that into a baseball field (no mound, no infield), which kind of makes jknezek's point; CMU already has 2 turf fields that are viable for use by lacrosse teams, versus zero usable facilities for a baseball team.  No place on campus to build any sort of indoor practice facility either.

I remember well from visiting when my sister went to CMU. Long time ago now, but her first couple years the center of campus where the football stadium is was just a working crater. Her last two years it was a great place to see a game, with an awesome new student center, but it was a very cramped urban campus. I don't think baseball is really a possibility. Baseball and softball fields are so limited in their purpose they are just a huge financial liability. One of the big reasons the Olympics dropped those sports.

Hasn't stopped the club team:  http://www.cmubaseball.com/

I had thought there might be a diamond in Schenley Park, but doesn't look like there is.

Oh, I know that we have a club team, although I will admit that I didn't realize that they've gotten as good as they apparently now are, if the website is accurate (no reason to doubt it). 

There's no diamond in Schenley Park, sadly.  There is a small baseball diamond over by the Cathedral of Learning, but I'm fairly certain that it's a Little-League size diamond and would be too small for varsity collegiate games (the leftfield wall would be a VERY easy target for even high school athletes).  The only way CMU would realistically have a facility capable of supporting a varsity baseball team would be somehow bartering access to Pitt's practice facilities, and possibly even playing games there as well.  This is not entirely impossible, but I think it's a far-fetched proposition.

Although now that you've mentioned it, I am curious where the club team plays their "home" games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Click on the game time for future games listed on their website for a link to directions.

Duquesne and Robert Morris also have baseball facilities which might be utilized.

I heard CMU's SID was at the UAA tournament.  With NYU getting baseball next year thanks to merger with NY Tech, CMU is the only UAA school without baseball.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 21, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
CWRU already has rowing, lacrosse, and ice hockey clubs.

Making rowing a varsity sport would appear to be very easy.  The boats are there, the participants are there, the level of competition is already national and quite high, and they can practice on Lake Erie in warm months.

Lacrosse could be added without many complications.

Ice Hockey would be a little tougher; they would need to play in an off-campus facility.

Field hockey might be workable.

They should never have demoted fencing to a club sport.  Back when I was at Case, it was a varsity sport, and the fencing team regularly took on Division I schools.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 22, 2014, 04:23:19 AM
Query: With NYU adding baseball, does the UAA become an automatic bid league?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 22, 2014, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 21, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Click on the game time for future games listed on their website for a link to directions.

Duquesne and Robert Morris also have baseball facilities which might be utilized.

I heard CMU's SID was at the UAA tournament.  With NYU getting baseball next year thanks to merger with NY Tech, CMU is the only UAA school without baseball.

Interesting.  I did as you said to check the directions to games, and as you've no doubt noticed, CMU plays their "home" games about half an hour away from campus.  Not saying that entirely precludes having a varsity baseball team, but it does add the logistical complication that the school would have to pay for a charter bus to take the team to every home game as well as road games.  To be sure, other teams at other schools may do this; I'm not saying that it RULES OUT having a baseball team - but it no doubt would come up in a discussion of whether CMU would add a baseball team or not.  Someone would have to convince the AD that it's worth the extra dough when the team has to "travel" for their home games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 22, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 22, 2014, 04:23:19 AM
Query: With NYU adding baseball, does the UAA become an automatic bid league?

Only if Chicago can go to Florida (doesn't match their spring break) and Rochester declares UAA not LL.  Or CMU adds the sport, which is why I started this fantasy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 05, 2014, 03:28:52 PM
CWRU reports class of 39 from 14 different states:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140502wc2r5r

Per Coach Debeljak: most talented class since 2006
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 22, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on April 22, 2014, 04:23:19 AM
Query: With NYU adding baseball, does the UAA become an automatic bid league?

Only if Chicago can go to Florida (doesn't match their spring break) and Rochester declares UAA not LL.  Or CMU adds the sport, which is why I started this fantasy.

The only thing that the NCAA requires for a league to have an automatic bid is seven participating teams, so NYU adding baseball would indeed make the UAA an auto-bid league, as long as Rochester consents to take part in whatever sort of schedule structure the UAA implements. (It would still be possible for the Yellowjackets to simultaneously remain in the Liberty League, if the schedule allows.) How the UAA determines who gets that automatic bid is the UAA's business, not the NCAA's; the league can be as creative with scheduling as it likes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 06, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
Greg
The only UAA team Chicago plays is WUStL.  Only five teams currently play for the UAA Championship.   Chicago does not.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
That still doesn't mean that Chicago has to go to Florida to play UAA teams.

Again, leagues have the right to determine their AQ however they wish, provided that they have seven members that play the sport. It certainly doesn't require that leagues must play a full round-robin so that every team plays every other team. D1 football is replete with examples of that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 06, 2014, 09:46:35 PM
The Handbook does not list Chicago as being in the UAA (although the Handbook is far from infallible).

The UAA competition takes place in Fla in March.  It's unlikely that will change. If Chicago doesn't participate, I can't imagine the NCAA would count them as part of the UAA.  The UAA doesn't count their games vs WUStL as conference games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
The NCAA will count Chicago as part of the UAA if the UAA (and Chicago) says that the Maroons are in the league. That's all that matters. Again, the NCAA isn't the defining party here; the league is.

If the UAA really wants to count Chicago as part of the league for baseball purposes, it can (and will) find a way to accommodate the Maroons with regard to scheduling.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 07, 2014, 05:49:11 AM
ADL70,

Which players from this recruiting class are regarded as being real standouts?

Which ones do you think will have the most immediate impact?

I sure wish that we could convince a sufficient number of UAA teams to play conference baseball such that the UAA would become an automatic bid baseball league.  The UAA has gone too long without that distinction.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 07, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
The pressing need is OL, and the class has ten lineman.  Of those Gage Blair (6'2 285) was a two-year starter for powerhouse St Ed, Ryan Merlau (6'2 255) was All-NY HM, and Dominic Adams from Lake Cath looks good for the small tackle (6'2 240).  Then there's the 6'4 360 Brandon King, although last year's 330+ lineman wasn't with the team after camp.  By game two I can foresee as many as three Fr starting on the line.

With all these OL additions either Corey Long or Sean Carson or both could move back to TE, the only position missing from the class.

Connor Simpson and Rob Cuda both seem to be quality QB prospects.

RB is also a need as Sicre and Hanzlik are both seniors.  Canganelli and Burke could be a good tandem.

The D standouts include Mentor LB Justin McMahon (All-Ohio DI first team) and Columbus Watterson S Cody Calhoun, who played in the Ohio North South All-Star game.  McMahon, Canganelli, and Perry WR/CB Zak Hurd have been selected for the News-Herald Senior Bowl.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 07, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
CMU 43 from 21 states.

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20140507200su0
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 07, 2014, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 07, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
CMU 43 from 21 states.

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20140507200su0

Wow.  Quite a diverse crew there.  21 states in one recruiting class, only six PA boys and three OH boys?

I'm a little dismayed to see zero Eastern PA boys (all six PA kids are from the Pittsburgh area) and so few Ohio kids.

Ah well.  I'll have to do a bit more research later.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 07, 2014, 10:20:23 PM
CWRU had only four PA kids and only two were WPA, must not have been fertile ground this year.  Spartans usually get numbers from Pa that rival those from Ohio. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 08, 2014, 07:09:54 AM
Just realized that my comment may have sounded a little negative - I don't mean to imply that national recruiting is a bad thing, I love to see kids from all over the country. I'd just love to see those kids from all over the country PLUS more PA and OH kids :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
You want to expand your reach, but not at the expense of areas you have been strong in.

There was a Fox Chapel lineman who visited CWRU, but ended up at an Ivy.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2014, 07:52:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
You want to expand your reach, but not at the expense of areas you have been strong in.

There was a Fox Chapel lineman who visited CWRU, but ended up at an Ivy.

The thing is that the UAA schools are all NATIONAL universities.  I would expect that the athletic teams would reflect that national focus.  I think that the D3 schools in PA/OH would do well to expand their recruiting to areas where:

1. A high level of high school football is the norm.
2. There aren't many D3 schools in the local area.

While OH/PA meet the first, they do not meet the second.  There are a ton of D3 schools in OH/PA chasing the same pot of good players.  I think that if the UAA really wants to get better in terms of player quality the coaches would do well to spend more time in TX, FL and CA.  Those are areas where there is a very high level of HS football (possibly higher than OH).  The kids in those areas have played against a very high level of competition, have very high "football IQs", and are fantastic athletes.  However, they do not have a huge number of D3 coaches recruiting them.

I realize that it can be expensive for coaches from OH to travel but I would think that they could get a guy to one of those three big football states for recruiting.  I am not familiar with TX and CA schools but here in FL there are many players who lack size or speed for D1 football but are otherwise good players.  Unless their parents or coaches are familiar with D3 programs (my son's HS coach was from WI) many of those kids just don't play in college because they assume not big enough for D1 means no college football at all.

I don't think it makes any sense at all for the UAA coaches to chase the same group of OH/PA guys that all the other schools in the midwest are chasing when there are all those other guys out there who are not being tapped by D3 coaches.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 09, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2014, 07:52:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
You want to expand your reach, but not at the expense of areas you have been strong in.

There was a Fox Chapel lineman who visited CWRU, but ended up at an Ivy.

The thing is that the UAA schools are all NATIONAL universities.  I would expect that the athletic teams would reflect that national focus.  I think that the D3 schools in PA/OH would do well to expand their recruiting to areas where:

1. A high level of high school football is the norm.
2. There aren't many D3 schools in the local area.

While OH/PA meet the first, they do not meet the second.  There are a ton of D3 schools in OH/PA chasing the same pot of good players.  I think that if the UAA really wants to get better in terms of player quality the coaches would do well to spend more time in TX, FL and CA.  Those are areas where there is a very high level of HS football (possibly higher than OH).  The kids in those areas have played against a very high level of competition, have very high "football IQs", and are fantastic athletes.  However, they do not have a huge number of D3 coaches recruiting them.

I realize that it can be expensive for coaches from OH to travel but I would think that they could get a guy to one of those three big football states for recruiting.  I am not familiar with TX and CA schools but here in FL there are many players who lack size or speed for D1 football but are otherwise good players.  Unless their parents or coaches are familiar with D3 programs (my son's HS coach was from WI) many of those kids just don't play in college because they assume not big enough for D1 means no college football at all.

I don't think it makes any sense at all for the UAA coaches to chase the same group of OH/PA guys that all the other schools in the midwest are chasing when there are all those other guys out there who are not being tapped by D3 coaches.

SpartanMom, I do agree with the majority of what you say here.

You are absolutely correct that the UAA schools are national universities and we would expect the rosters to reflect that; you make a very good point about the significantly greater density of D3 schools in PA/OH than several other states; and you are definitely correct that it seems many kids/parents from states without D3 schools think either you play D1 or you don't play college football.

With that said, I don't think the UAA schools really have to spend more time recruiting TX, FL, and CA because...they're already doing that.  CMU brought in five Florida kids, three Texas kids, and one California kid (which I think is lower than usual; there were at least a couple on the team every year I was there, and we definitely had a TON of Florida kids, both starting HB's my last two years were from Florida).  CWRU brought in four California kids and a Florida kid (and I think that's unusually low for only one FL kid, given that the roster of returnees includes seven Florida kids - but then again, there are zero California kids returning to the roster).  I think they're already recruiting those states about as much as their resources allow.

In conclusion...basically, you're right :)

I'm just surprised that CMU has no one from the eastern half of PA and so few OH kids.  I guess that I'm just greedy.  I'd have loved to see all 43 kids from 21 different states with another 5 PA kids and 5 OH kids.  Ah well :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 09, 2014, 10:02:36 AM
I don't see that you have to choose one or the other.

CWRU has expanded its reach in the last few years.  The aforementioned 2006 class had thirty-six and twenty were from Ohio and seven from Pa; Florida was next with three.

2013 had twenty-nine.  Nine each were from Ohio and Pa.  This year's thirty-nine have thirteen from from Ohio, only four from Pa., but four from California (a fifth tweeted a commitment, but hasn't been heard from since).  Local kids are more likely to attend on campus camps to be evaluated and recruited.

The roster features players from Florida to Alaska and from New England to Hawaii

The number of students from Ohio have declined in the past five years from about forty percent to about thirty percent, so the football team closely mirrors the student population as a whole.

I've heard others discuss the lack of awareness of DIII in Florida, and DII and DI non-scholarship programs have just started up there.  UAA quality student athletes I think would look at academics first and athletics second.  I believe that the coaching staff is made aware of applicants who played sports in high school. 

XTP has a better perspective as he was involved in recruiting at CMU and he and I were writing at the same time.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2014, 11:47:15 AM
I don't think it's either/or.  I think the football teams can do both local and national recruiting. After all the universities in the UAA do national recruiting and that certainly helps the football stuff.  The rosters certainly do reflect the national reach of the UAA schools.

It's true that academics come first for UAA quality students.  However, if a student wants to play football and is undersized or otherwise unsuitable for D1 there are zero options in state (there are FCS and D2 schools but no D3s).  My son would have been a great candidate at Miami or UF but he wanted to play football so he looked for academically suitable institutions outside of FL.  Honestly, if his coach wasn't from the Midwest he probably wouldn't have known to send his film to some of the schools he targeted. 

I do think that in FL since there is such a lack of awareness of D3 schools and a lack of awareness of Midwestern universities in general there is an opportunity for coaches to recruit in FL.  I would guess that the same holds true for CA and TX but I don't really know much about those areas. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
Regarding the Florida (or for that matter out of region recruiting), all of you make good points.  Indeed, most of the general public in Florida are unaware of DIII football and as you mentioned, other than the few previous FCS scholarship programs, there are now additional FCS non-scholarship programs there.  Yet, those institutions, I think most everyone agrees, do not compare with the academic level of the UAA (or perhaps even to many other DIII schools, no disrespect intended towards those FCS schools).

It also depends on any DIII school's willingness and desire to allow their coaching staffs to take the time (and resources) to actually personally recruit in Florida, which is no small endeavor for either.  Others in the past have commented about a varied group of DIII schools which have actually made concentrated efforts in recent years to attract student-athletes for football from Florida.  For example, Defiance College has done that for the last decade and this past season had 13 football players from Florida listed on its roster-a sizeable number.  Olivet College (MI) had made a strong effort about 8-10 years ago also recruiting in Florida and had several players regularly from the Miami area on its roster.  However, that has declined extensively (for which I do not know the reasons) and this past fall's roster there listed only 1 player from Florida.

Certainly, it is a big adjustment for players from Florida to come to the Midwest or northern DIII schools in many aspects, although, in reality we all know that is the same for player from the southern areas who are recruited and end up playing DI schools in these areas as well.  Yet, at the same time, that is a "different ballgame" and without question, the academic aspects are the major role in those who are considering DIII.  I also agree with you all that UAA type schools have that extra positive advantage regarding their nationally known programs including research, although while some DIII schools like Hope rank extremely high in that regard as well, the resources for out-of-region recruiting for most DIII schools are limited- this is leaving out the alumni connection aspect which is an important source as well; a good example of the latter many would include is Wheaton College also. 

It is always intriguing to see the variety among the various DIII rosters, although also for many DIII schools, the roster is comprised of mainly in-region, in-state players for understandable reasons. Thanks all of you for another interesting and important discussion.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 09, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Probably don't want to hear this but the UAA schools aren't all that well known nationally. If you asked around in the South or Southwest even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares. CMU less than CWRU or Wash U thanks to their robotics work, but still the brands aren't very strong. Definitely better than most northern D3 schools, but coaches are still going to have some massive selling to do. It is definitely odd for this NJ kid that so many really great schools that I or others I grew up aspired to attend are all but unheard of in favor of sitting in 1000 person lecture halls at the local football factory
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 09, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Probably don't want to hear this but the UAA schools aren't all that well known nationally. If you asked around in the South or Southwest even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares. CMU less than CWRU or Wash U thanks to their robotics work, but still the brands aren't very strong. Definitely better than most northern D3 schools, but coaches are still going to have some massive selling to do. It is definitely odd for this NJ kid that so many really great schools that I or others I grew up aspired to attend are all but unheard of in favor of sitting in 1000 person lecture halls at the local football factory

I have a hard time believing that a school that has won more Nobel Prizes than any other university on the planet and is the place where the atom was first split (underneath the stands of the football stadium, no less) doesn't qualify for the category of "well-known nationally".

The University of Chicago had over 30,000 applicants last year, vying for about 1,400 openings in the freshman class. (http://news.uchicago.edu/article/2013/03/15/college-sends-admission-decisions-milestone-year-applications) And the U of C draws from all across the country, and abroad as well.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 09, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 09, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Probably don't want to hear this but the UAA schools aren't all that well known nationally. If you asked around in the South or Southwest even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares. CMU less than CWRU or Wash U thanks to their robotics work, but still the brands aren't very strong. Definitely better than most northern D3 schools, but coaches are still going to have some massive selling to do. It is definitely odd for this NJ kid that so many really great schools that I or others I grew up aspired to attend are all but unheard of in favor of sitting in 1000 person lecture halls at the local football factory

I have a hard time believing that a school that has won more Nobel Prizes than any other university on the planet and is the place where the atom was first split (underneath the stands of the football stadium, no less) doesn't qualify for the category of "well-known nationally".

The University of Chicago had over 30,000 applicants last year, vying for about 1,400 openings in the freshman class. (http://news.uchicago.edu/article/2013/03/15/college-sends-admission-decisions-milestone-year-applications) And the U of C draws from all across the country, and abroad as well.

I agree. But come on down and ask around in the South. Not saying it is completely  unknown, just not real well known. If you asked your facts above as trivia questions of honors students in the South you won't get many right answers
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
I would've been much more eager to come on down and ask people in the South about the U of C two months ago than I am now, seeing as how the weather finally got nice up here. ;)

But your reply immediately leads one to ask: Just how many schools north of the Mason-Dixon Line are really well-known in the South?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 09, 2014, 09:44:50 PM
Not many outside D1 and the Ivies, and the UAA schools more than most, but the awareness of even those schools isn't great, which was my original point. A CWRU coach isn't going to walk into Mountain Brook H.S. outside Birmingham and just have the school known to very many students.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
I would've been much more eager to come on down and ask people in the South about the U of C two months ago than I am now, seeing as how the weather finally got nice up here. ;)

But your reply immediately leads one to ask: Just how many schools north of the Mason-Dixon Line are really well-known in the South?

I think it depends on where you are in the south.  Here in the southern part of FL there are many transplants from the northeast.  Parents of good students tend to have gone to school in the northeast and are familiar with many of the schools in the region, even the small ones.  I am not sure how it is in other parts of the south. 

I have a senior (today was his last day) and his friends are going all over the county but will be heavily concentrated in FL and the NE.  There is one girl going to CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 09, 2014, 11:25:21 PM
Do you know that Emory in Atlanta is in the UAA and that Atlanta is in the South?

If the guidance counsellors don't know about the UAA schools, they are doing a pitiful job.  While they may not be known in the parochial South, I have no doubt that they are in the metropolitan areas.  More students in China have probably heard of them than students in Hooterville have.

https://www.case.edu/president/cir/pdfiles/enrolltrendsugrdbystatecountry.pdf

And CWRU isn't as well known as NYU, Chicago, or WashingtonU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 10, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 09, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
I would've been much more eager to come on down and ask people in the South about the U of C two months ago than I am now, seeing as how the weather finally got nice up here. ;)

But your reply immediately leads one to ask: Just how many schools north of the Mason-Dixon Line are really well-known in the South?

I think it depends on where you are in the south.  Here in the southern part of FL there are many transplants from the northeast.  Parents of good students tend to have gone to school in the northeast and are familiar with many of the schools in the region, even the small ones.  I am not sure how it is in other parts of the south. 

This is going to sound elitist and snobbish, but I think you're right - it depends where you are and who you're talking to.

Re: jknezek's belief that the UAA schools aren't that well-known in the South; I'd redirect that to say that the UAA schools aren't that well known among people unfamiliar with the upper echelon of academia (not just in the South, but anywhere).  If I went to the ghetto of Philadelphia or Harrisburg, or into rural/remote parts of Northern PA, plenty of people there haven't heard of Carnegie Mellon either.  On the streets of Pittsburgh, yes, most people hear that I went to CMU and know that it's a "smart school" - but if I asked a few random folks from small towns in rural PA, OH, or WV?  They might not be able to tell me what city Carnegie Mellon is in.

As ADL70 said in his last poist, I suspect that in metropolitan areas and/or bigger high schools with a larger proportion of high-achieving students, the UAA schools and their academically "elite" brethren are at least "heard of" if not thoroughly known.  I do agree with jknezek's point that at East Bumfart HS in the rural South, they're likely unheard of, but that's also true at East Bumfart HS in rural Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Edited to add: my girlfriend has been teaching at East Carolina University this semester, and as a result I've been to several cities in NC, which provides a bit of a litmus test here.  ECU is a big state school, but it's in a smallish town (Greenville, NC) and from my very limited exposure to the state, I bet that many people in that immediate area are not familiar with the UAA-type schools except for the professors at ECU and other executives/professionals in the hospital system.  However, if I went to Raleigh or Durham (90 minutes away), I bet that a lot more people there would know of the UAA schools, just because that's a higher concentration of people with advanced degrees and/or "transplants" from other areas who have come to work or do research at Duke, UNC, or NC State.  Bigger chance that someone there either has a colleague, or coworker, or friend from a UAA school, or know someone that applied to or visited one, etc.

Here's a neat little anecdotal note on "national" vs. "regional" schools.  As I've said before - I grew up near Philadelphia, PA.  I went to Carnegie Mellon - about 250 miles away in Pittsburgh.  My brother (two years younger) then joined me in Pittsburgh at Duquesne University, which is also a fine school but somewhat more of a regional draw than a national one.  Of my five closest friends at CMU, only one was from closer to CMU than I was (and he was the defensive coordinator's son) - everyone else was from a different state.  Of my brother's five closest friends, he was from the furthest away from Duquesne; all of them were from PA, and most of his friends were from within 45 minutes' drive of campus.

I feel like I (and probably most people on this website) have "heard of" of more colleges than the average person just because i) I grew up with two college-educated parents and in a community where that was the norm, thus exposing me to the names of a lot of potential college destinations and ii) I attended a Division III school and learned the names of virtually every school that offers a Division III sport of any type, if not their academic specialty.  Most people posting on this website probably have something fairly similar to that - the exposure to a large number of schools through personal acquaintances and/or Division III sports.  The "average" resident of a small rural town probably does not have that.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 11, 2014, 02:23:03 AM
Congratulations to our #9 nationally ranked men's tennis team for crushing Kalamazoo College 5-0 in the second round of the NCAA tourney.

The Spartans now advance to the Sweet 16 where they'll play.....................guess who.................CARNEGIE-MELLON!!!

GO SPARTANS!!!

Read on.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140510jmubuk (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140510jmubuk)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 11, 2014, 09:08:43 AM
Well stated, ExTartan. I completely agree with your points.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 11, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 11, 2014, 02:23:03 AM
Congratulations to our #9 nationally ranked men's tennis team for crushing Kalamazoo College 5-0 in the second round of the NCAA tourney.

The Spartans now advance to the Sweet 16 where they'll play.....................guess who.................CARNEGIE-MELLON!!!

GO SPARTANS!!!

Read on.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140510jmubuk (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140510jmubuk)

Spartans avenge an earlier 5-4 loss to CMU with a 5-4 WIN to advance to the Elite Eight, joining Emory and WUStL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 12, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
With three teams in the Elite Eight, and four in the Sweet Sixteen, is there any doubt that the UAA is a Division III tennis "super" conference?

;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 12, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
With three teams in the Elite Eight, and four in the Sweet Sixteen, is there any doubt that the UAA is a Division III tennis "super" conference?

;)

I would say yes, but it occurs to me that I don't know how many D3 tennis teams there are...if there are more than 100, then I would say yes, absolutely, four of the top 16 and three of the top 8 qualifies the UAA for superconference status.  If there are only 50 or 60 tennis teams, still impressive, but maybe not as much.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Believe there are upwards of 250 or so DIII men's tennis teams.  There's no good reason for me to know that. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Believe there are upwards of 250 or so DIII men's tennis teams.  There's no good reason for me to know that.

Is there any good reason for us to know any of the random minutiae we all know about D3 sports?

Sidebar on that, if you want to amuse yourself, my buddy and I were discussing the four major American professional sports the other day & tried to figure out which would be the hardest/weirdest to explain to a human being from a country that had never seen any of them (or anything comparable, i.e. cricket, soccer, etc).  I think baseball is the least intuitive and has the most weird rules (and that's even just basic gameplay, before we get to REALLY weird stuff like balks, infield flies, etc).  Football, basketball, and hockey, while they all have their respective quirks (try explaining "pass interference" sometime to a non-football fan), can be reduced to various forms of "try to get the ball into the goal" - but baseball is just so WEIRD for someone that's never seen it before (OK, so the guy with the ball is going to try to throw it past the guy with the stick, who will try to hit it between those two lines, but if one of the other guys catches it he is "out" and it doesn't count...etc).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 12, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 12, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
With three teams in the Elite Eight, and four in the Sweet Sixteen, is there any doubt that the UAA is a Division III tennis "super" conference?

;)

I would say yes, but it occurs to me that I don't know how many D3 tennis teams there are...if there are more than 100, then I would say yes, absolutely, four of the top 16 and three of the top 8 qualifies the UAA for superconference status.  If there are only 50 or 60 tennis teams, still impressive, but maybe not as much.
There were 44 teams in the tournament, if the usual 6.5 access applies, then about 286.

Further light on the issue, there were seven Pool C teams, three each from UAA and NESCAC.

In almost every sport save football and wrestllng and maybe bseball, you could say the UAA is a power conference
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2014, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Believe there are upwards of 250 or so DIII men's tennis teams.  There's no good reason for me to know that.

Wally, my/our friend, while I realize this is the football forum site, I am disappointed you would make that comment.  You are usually upright and sincere, so I hope you were joking.

Of course, NCAA DIII men's tennis does not share the notoriety/popularity with DIII football, nonetheless, it is important in the overall genre of collegiate sports and certainly at our level.  For example, Kalamazoo College's tennis history is similar to that of Kenyon College in swimming.  Kalamazoo College men's team has won 76 straight (yes, that's correct seventy-six) MIAA tennis championships, sharing the title only a couple of times-with Hope College in 2003 and again in 2013 with Hope and Calvin.  They have appeared in all the NCAA tennis championships i.e. 39 straight and have won the national title 7 times.  Quite an accomplishment, although this year's team did not have as stellar record as some of their teams in the past (13-9) and losing handily to CW this year in the tournament as has been mentioned.

In addition, and what would be no surprise, Kalamazoo's tennis facilities are in an elite class (as are Hope College's new outdoor tennis facilities, the latter of which won a national award; their indoor tennis facilities are excellent as well).  These are better then many of the DI schools, including Michigan State University here in our region. Kalamazoo's facilities have also hosted many of the women's professional tennis tournaments in past years.

*Above info/statistics obtained from the Kalamazoo College Athletic Website, tennis history section. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 12, 2014, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Believe there are upwards of 250 or so DIII men's tennis teams.  There's no good reason for me to know that.

Wally, my/our friend, while I realize this is the football forum site, I am disappointed you would make that comment.  You are usually upright and sincere, so I hope you were joking.

I think he was alluding to the fact that, in any other arena with those less informed about D3 athletics, people would find that a somewhat trivial piece of information.

Given that a not-insignificant group of students (and even faculty) at CMU were/are unaware that we have a football team despite the presence of a football stadium, daily practices taking place for two hours, and home games on five fall Saturdays...I think it's fair to make a joke about any of us knowing Division III sports factoids offhand.

You make a fair point, doc, that in some sports, top-caliber Division III teams will facilities and athletes can rival those from Division I and II counterparts, and I think this is a bit more common in some nonrevenue sports (tennis, golf, track and field, swimming, and wrestling being a few examples).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 11:56:22 AM
Just having a little fun with my rampant DIII nerdery.  It's all good.   :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2014, 02:43:29 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 11:56:22 AM
Just having a little fun with my rampant DIII nerdery.  It's all good.   :)
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 12, 2014, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Believe there are upwards of 250 or so DIII men's tennis teams.  There's no good reason for me to know that.

Wally, my/our friend, while I realize this is the football forum site, I am disappointed you would make that comment.  You are usually upright and sincere, so I hope you were joking.

I think he was alluding to the fact that, in any other arena with those less informed about D3 athletics, people would find that a somewhat trivial piece of information.

Given that a not-insignificant group of students (and even faculty) at CMU were/are unaware that we have a football team despite the presence of a football stadium, daily practices taking place for two hours, and home games on five fall Saturdays...I think it's fair to make a joke about any of us knowing Division III sports factoids offhand.

You make a fair point, doc, that in some sports, top-caliber Division III teams will facilities and athletes can rival those from Division I and II counterparts, and I think this is a bit more common in some nonrevenue sports (tennis, golf, track and field, swimming, and wrestling being a few examples).

My friends:

Wally, all-okay, I'm relieved! :) and that is good as you say.  I didn't think your initial post was your real opinion.  You just forgot to put the " :)" in there.  Then again, it was probably me just being too analytical/critical in expressing my opinion on that-I've been known to do that around here occasionally on various topics! ::) ;)

ExTartan, understood and I agree with you.  For sure, there are some people who find that type of information trivial, although I don't include you, Wally, myself or many others of our colleagues here in that regard. Most of us are passionate about DIII athletics entirely, although that is not to say there are not some "die-hards" on these boards who don't care for some of those other non-revenue sports.

And you are indeed right about those situations where faculty members at some schools have no interest in or, as you mention, don't even know anything about the football team or its existence (or even in some brazen instances are outright hostile towards the program), all of which is not only sad, however, but there is no excuse for, even though they are entitled to their own opinion.  While I may not have an interest in some of the non-athletic and/or academic programs, academic clubs, extra-curricular activities, etc., etc. (you name it, we all know there are a variety) that some colleges have as opportunities on their campuses for students, at the same time, I'm not so mean-spirited or misguided that I don't acknowledge their existence and/or at least know a little about them.  However,..."to each his own" as that saying goes.  :) 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 09, 2014, 11:25:21 PM
Do you know that Emory in Atlanta is in the UAA and that Atlanta is in the South?

If the guidance counsellors don't know about the UAA schools, they are doing a pitiful job.  While they may not be known in the parochial South, I have no doubt that they are in the metropolitan areas.  More students in China have probably heard of them than students in Hooterville have.

https://www.case.edu/president/cir/pdfiles/enrolltrendsugrdbystatecountry.pdf

And CWRU isn't as well known as NYU, Chicago, or WashingtonU.

Remember we are talking about football recruits, not the general student population.  Most guidance counselors do not assist with football recruiting and Emory does not have a football team.  The UAA football schools are not as well known among football coaches/players as the Ivies in this area (which is the 8th largest MSA in the US).

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
I have no doubt you are correct about lack of knowledge of UAA football, but the post we have been responding to did not limit the commentary to football, even stating "even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
I just went back and looked at your link and your link illustrates exactly what I have been discussing.  CWRU is a school that is not all that well known here in FL.  FL is a VERY LARGE state with several large metropolitan areas in it. 

CA has 220 student enrolled at CWRU. Since the population of FL is half the population of CA you would expect to see around 110 students from FL if the school were equally well known.  However, there are only 80 from FL which is over 25% lower than expected.  Texas has a population 34% larger than FL's yet has 41% more students at CWRU.

There are tons of good football players in these states and many students from down here really like CWRU when they get there.

When my son was looking at schools he had never heard of CWRU and I dragged him there.  He loved it once he got there.  It is the perfect size (not giant but large enough to offer any academic opportunity he could want).  He liked the people in the Midwest.  He liked the location close to downtown.  He wasn't crazy about the surrounding neighborhoods but overall he really did like the school.

A friend of mine (her son plays lacrosse) had the same experience with her daughter (who will be enrolling at CWRU in the fall).  She practically had to drag her on the plane to visit but once she was there for a day she loved it.  It is a huge contrast to the giant institutions here in FL and also a contrast to the tiny LAC that we visited.  I really do think that there are lots of prospective players who would play football for the UAA football schools if they were better known here in FL.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
I have no doubt you are correct about lack of knowledge of UAA football, but the post we have been responding to did not limit the commentary to football, even stating "even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares."

Which I still stand by! I'll go so far as to say when I was in h.s. I knew nothing of CWRU or Wash U and little about U of Chicago. I did know CMU since my sister went there and Emory since I was accepted. But despite being national research universities they are largely regional schools in who knows about them. And yes, I know admissions show people from everywhere but W&L gets a kid a year or so from Alaska, it doesn't mean Alaskans know much about Washington and Lee.

Just as fun trivia, anyone else know why it's called Case Western Reserve? It's a great story...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 13, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
CA has 220 student enrolled at CWRU. Since the population of FL is half the population of CA you would expect to see around 110 students from FL if the school were equally well known.  However, there are only 80 from FL which is over 25% lower than expected.  Texas has a population 34% larger than FL's yet has 41% more students at CWRU.

I'm not sure it works it that way.  So many variables...what kinds of activities is CWRU engaged in on the west coast?  How much emphasis is there in the admissions/recruiting departments to spread the word out in California as opposed to Florida?  What are the populations of active alumni in those two states?  I mean, ceteris parabis, we could say that we would expect ratios of CWRU students from Florida and California to be similar to that of the states' populations, but the ceteri are certainly not parabi in this case.  The difference is compounded even more by the even more targeted activity of athletics recruiting where things like where and to whom your coaches have connections and pipelines further skew the geography of the incoming class. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 12, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on May 12, 2014, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 12, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
With three teams in the Elite Eight, and four in the Sweet Sixteen, is there any doubt that the UAA is a Division III tennis "super" conference?

;)

I would say yes, but it occurs to me that I don't know how many D3 tennis teams there are...if there are more than 100, then I would say yes, absolutely, four of the top 16 and three of the top 8 qualifies the UAA for superconference status.  If there are only 50 or 60 tennis teams, still impressive, but maybe not as much.
There were 44 teams in the tournament, if the usual 6.5 access applies, then about 286.

This webpage claims that there are 325 D3 men's tennis programs and 371 D3 women's tennis programs. (http://www.active.com/tennis/articles/your-guide-to-tennis-scholarships) I have no idea how reliable it is. I'm just passing along the link.

Quote from: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
I have no doubt you are correct about lack of knowledge of UAA football, but the post we have been responding to did not limit the commentary to football, even stating "even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares."

Which I still stand by! I'll go so far as to say when I was in h.s. I knew nothing of CWRU or Wash U and little about U of Chicago. I did know CMU since my sister went there and Emory since I was accepted. But despite being national research universities they are largely regional schools in who knows about them.

Again, I disagree -- at least with respect to Chicago. While it may be true that the Maroons are something of an unknown commodity in terms of football, it's a nationally-recognized university of which every high-school guidance counselor in the country who is worth his or her paycheck is aware. The entire country is well-represented within the student body (remember the movie When Harry Met Sally with Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan, which begins with their graduation from the U of C and their ride-share back to New York City?); those 30,000 kids that are applying to the U of C every year are not all from the midwest, by any means.

Look at the Maroons rosters for the Big Three sports. The baseball team has representatives from 14 different states. The men's basketball team has representatives from nine different states. And the football team has a veritable Rand-McNally roster, with 18 different states represented. And they're not just token representations, either; nine Maroons gridders are from Texas, seven are from Florida, five are from California, eight are from New Jersey, etc.

In terms of public awareness it's a national school, not a regional school.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
I have no doubt you are correct about lack of knowledge of UAA football, but the post we have been responding to did not limit the commentary to football, even stating "even among honor students you'll get mostly blank stares."

Which I still stand by! I'll go so far as to say when I was in h.s. I knew nothing of CWRU or Wash U and little about U of Chicago. I did know CMU since my sister went there and Emory since I was accepted. But despite being national research universities they are largely regional schools in who knows about them. And yes, I know admissions show people from everywhere but W&L gets a kid a year or so from Alaska, it doesn't mean Alaskans know much about Washington and Lee.

Just as fun trivia, anyone else know why it's called Case Western Reserve? It's a great story...

Ancient history, but when I enrolled at Western Reserve (tease to your trivia), there were lots of students from NJ (which is where I believe you said you were from) and NY (especially Long Island).  Students of the caliber of UAA schools will learn about them, even if they aren't known before beginning a college sea
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 13, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
CA has 220 student enrolled at CWRU. Since the population of FL is half the population of CA you would expect to see around 110 students from FL if the school were equally well known.  However, there are only 80 from FL which is over 25% lower than expected.  Texas has a population 34% larger than FL's yet has 41% more students at CWRU.

I'm not sure it works it that way.  So many variables...what kinds of activities is CWRU engaged in on the west coast?  How much emphasis is there in the admissions/recruiting departments to spread the word out in California as opposed to Florida?  What are the populations of active alumni in those two states?  I mean, ceteris parabis, we could say that we would expect ratios of CWRU students from Florida and California to be similar to that of the states' populations, but the ceteri are certainly not parabi in this case.  The difference is compounded even more by the even more targeted activity of athletics recruiting where things like where and to whom your coaches have connections and pipelines further skew the geography of the incoming class.

I have no idea what ceteris parabis or parabi mean.  I must be really stupid but I just don't understand those words.

I do realize that there are many many moving parts that determine why people from one region go to school in another region. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 13, 2014, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Which I still stand by! I'll go so far as to say when I was in h.s. I knew nothing of CWRU or Wash U and little about U of Chicago. I did know CMU since my sister went there and Emory since I was accepted. But despite being national research universities they are largely regional schools in who knows about them.

Again, I disagree -- at least with respect to Chicago. While it may be true that the Maroons are something of an unknown commodity in terms of football, it's a nationally-recognized university of which every high-school guidance counselor in the country who is worth his or her paycheck is aware. The entire country is well-represented within the student body (remember the movie When Harry Met Sally with Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan, which begins with their graduation from the U of C and their ride-share back to New York City?); those 30,000 kids that are applying to the U of C every year are not all from the midwest, by any means.

Look at the Maroons rosters for the Big Three sports. The baseball team has representatives from 14 different states. The men's basketball team has representatives from nine different states. And the football team has a veritable Rand-McNally roster, with 18 different states represented. And they're not just token representations, either; nine Maroons gridders are from Texas, seven are from Florida, five are from California, eight are from New Jersey, etc.

In terms of public awareness it's a national school, not a regional school.

I addressed this on my post on the previous page (which you already agreed with, so I know you've read it).  This is more a squabble about what it means to be "nationally known" than it is a question of whether the UAA schools (and other similar compatriots) are actually drawing students from all over the nation.

We've established that the UAA schools are drawing from all over the nation.  CMU brought in football recruits from 21 different states.  CWRU brought in recruits from something like 14 different states.  As you've just pointed out, Chicago has football players from 18 different states.  While SpartanMom believes that the UAA schools need to recruit Florida, Texas, and California harder, many of us have pointed out the incredible national representation on UAA football rosters...so I think we're all in agreement that the UAA schools bring in students from all over the nation (and internationally).

With that said: as I alluded on the previous page, the UAA schools are "nationally known" in academic circles, absolutely.  But to the average Jimmy or Joey in a small town in Texas or Florida, no, they aren't, and that's what I think jknezek and SpartanMom are alluding to; it is possible that the typical "above average high school student" in Florida is not aware of Carnegie Mellon University.  I don't find this too surprising, since I've occasionally encountered people from my hometown that don't know where Carnegie Mellon is - and I'm from Pennsylvania!  A good friend of mine in Pittsburgh is a CWRU soccer alum, and I've heard people (in Pittsburgh) have to ask him where Case Western is when they first meet him.

I would still argue that yes, CMU and its UAA brethren are "nationally known" schools, but I can at least see the jknezek/SpartanMom argument; I just think they're defining "nationally known" with a very stringent definition that no school without a Division I football program could possibly meet :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
I'm not sure you are on to anything with those team numbers. W&L's baseball team has 14 states represented, basketball has 11 states, and football has over 20. W&L is not a national university, so that diversity is not proof of anything. Annecdotally interesting, but not proof. 30K applicants doesn't mean anything either. Lots of schools get 30K applicants. You'd have to show significant application rate from states not in the immediate area. In other words, if over half of those applicants come from states touching Illinois that would prove my point, not yours. Same with acceptance. If most of the student body comes from neighboring states, it's a mostly regional school. I don't know U of Chicago's acceptance rates so I absolutely could be wrong, but the info you are putting out doesn't prove me wrong. And yes, I made up the 50%. Other people could have other measures.

Not that I go by U.S. News, but they do classify University of Chicago as a national university, so that certainly helps your cause.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
No need to drag out another equine carcass.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 13, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on May 13, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
CA has 220 student enrolled at CWRU. Since the population of FL is half the population of CA you would expect to see around 110 students from FL if the school were equally well known.  However, there are only 80 from FL which is over 25% lower than expected.  Texas has a population 34% larger than FL's yet has 41% more students at CWRU.

I'm not sure it works it that way.  So many variables...what kinds of activities is CWRU engaged in on the west coast?  How much emphasis is there in the admissions/recruiting departments to spread the word out in California as opposed to Florida?  What are the populations of active alumni in those two states?  I mean, ceteris parabis, we could say that we would expect ratios of CWRU students from Florida and California to be similar to that of the states' populations, but the ceteri are certainly not parabi in this case.  The difference is compounded even more by the even more targeted activity of athletics recruiting where things like where and to whom your coaches have connections and pipelines further skew the geography of the incoming class.

I have no idea what ceteris parabis or parabi mean.  I must be really stupid but I just don't understand those words.

I do realize that there are many many moving parts that determine why people from one region go to school in another region.

ceteris paribus means "all other things held equal." It's a term used in economics a lot to isolate a variable that can't be isolated except in your mind.

And yes, my definition of national is probably different from others. But if I stepped into an honors class in a random California town and asked who has heard of CWRU, if no one raises their hands, that's an indicator that it is not national known. If I repeat this process for say 50 honors classes in each of the 50 states and get mostly negative indicators outside of states in the midwest region, then I would say it indicates CWRU is not nationally known among honors students. Someone else's definition will vary.

As for my trivia question, the area where CWRU is located used to be the "Western Reserve" of the state of Connecticut. Until after the American Revolution, Connecticut, and several other colonies, maintained that their colonial charters preserved all the land between their Eastern borders to the unknown western stopping point of the Pacific Ocean. While CT lost part of that argument first to NY and then to PA, the area of northern Ohio and west to the Pacific was still claimed as the Western Reserve, even as it was essentially ungoverned and not contiguous, until the state conceded all rights to the territories in exchange for the Federal Government assuming their state debts. This was done for several states, forming what at the time was known as the NW Territory and eventually became OH and other states. But Connecticut's Western Reserve lives on in several institutional names. For a brief period of time, that territory almost became named New Connecticut, after CT tried to sell it to a developer rather than give it to the Federal Government, so count your blessings "Western Reserve" stuck instead...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2014, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
I'm not sure you are on to anything with those team numbers. W&L's baseball team has 14 states represented, basketball has 11 states, and football has over 20. W&L is not a national university, so that diversity is not proof of anything. Annecdotally interesting, but not proof. 30K applicants doesn't mean anything either. Lots of schools get 30K applicants. You'd have to show significant application rate from states not in the immediate area. In other words, if over half of those applicants come from states touching Illinois that would prove my point, not yours. Same with acceptance. If most of the student body comes from neighboring states, it's a mostly regional school. I don't know U of Chicago's acceptance rates so I absolutely could be wrong, but the info you are putting out doesn't prove me wrong. And yes, I made up the 50%. Other people could have other measures.

Not that I go by U.S. News, but they do classify University of Chicago as a national university, so that certainly helps your cause.

... and, unfortunately, I can't find state-by-state data for U of C undergraduate enrollment anywhere online. All I have is anecdotal data from the U of C people I know -- including the men's basketball head coach -- that theirs is a nationally-based student body (plus a late-'80s romantic comedy that establishes it as well ;)).

Maybe this will help: It's the contact list for the U of C admissions department, indicating the geographical assignments of the school's various undergraduate admissions officers. (https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/contact) The list covers all fifty states, and the large number of admissions officers and the reasonably limited geographical area that each covers indicates that they're dealing with substantial numbers of applicants from each of those admissions territories. California alone has four different U of C admissions officers assigned to cover that state. Texas has three.

Aside from that, I just don't know what else to tell you. The University of Chicago is one of the most respected universities in the entire world, and it enjoys a high name-recognition factor that is reflected in the national demographic of its' undergraduate student body. It's frustrating that I can't find a way to definitively prove that on the Internet, but it's nevertheless true.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 13, 2014, 08:25:41 PM
I believe you Greg   ;) ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2014, 09:15:49 PM
Thanks, BW. :D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 14, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
And yes, my definition of national is probably different from others. But if I stepped into an honors class in a random California town and asked who has heard of CWRU, if no one raises their hands, that's an indicator that it is not national known. If I repeat this process for say 50 honors classes in each of the 50 states and get mostly negative indicators outside of states in the midwest region, then I would say it indicates CWRU is not nationally known among honors students. Someone else's definition will vary.

I'm curious: how many institutions do you think would actually meet this criteria for "nationally known" schools?  I'd surmise that is only extremely large state institutions, or schools that have achieved fame through something like Division I football or basketball championships, and perhaps the Ivy League schools (and maybe not even all of them - do you think that the majority of students in random honors classes in California, Oregon, and Washington would be able to name all of the Ivy League schools?  I'd expect that they could all name Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, but what about Brown and Dartmouth?  Columbia?).  Would more than maybe 50 schools actually meet your definition?

Taking that a step further: I'd suppose that a larger percentage of randomly selected high school students and parents in Pennsylvania have heard of the University of Texas than CMU, again because Texas is a large state institution with a famous football and basketball team.  I have my doubts that it means they're more likely to actually apply to the University of Texas than they are to apply to CMU, though, so from an "applied" standpoint does it really matter whether more students from other parts of the country have heard of UT than CMU?

Re: guidance counselors, I just think this varies a lot from school to school.  Some family friends of my parents had a daughter my age, who was ranked 7th in a class of about 300 students with some very good standardized test scores (similar qualifications to what I had as I approached HS graduation), and her guidance counselors were encouraging her to apply to PSAC schools like Slippery Rock, Kutztown, and East Stroudsburg, while mine were recommending schools like CMU, Johns Hopkins, and the Ivy League. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 14, 2014, 10:44:21 AM
Washington and Lee University's ranking in the 2014 edition of Best Colleges is National Liberal Arts Colleges, 14.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
The only thing I can say ExTP is that "nationally known" means you have to be nationally known. The way to be nationally known is for people across the nation to know who you are. What other definition is there? So if only 50 or 100 schools fit that definition it doesn't mean we need to broaden what "nationally known" means to include fewer people. It simply means that few schools are actually "nationally known". And that's kind of my point. The UAA audience is clearly honors kids. These are some of the finest schools in the country. So to be nationally known, they need to be known to honors students across the nation in at least some fashion. If they aren't, then they aren't a nationally known university. And by my mind, I don't really think the UAA schools are as nationally known as the other people on this board. Since we don't even agree on the definition of nationally known, there is simply no way to come to a conclusion.

I'm not sure how your argument that kids in states far from the universities don't have to know about them for them to qualify as "nationally known" makes the slightest bit of sense. I'm not even saying EVERYONE has to know about them, just some percentage of their target audience, but it does have to be nationally. To me that makes perfect sense, but again, it is clearly a subjective definition.

As for who I think qualifies I do think a lot of the D1 football world qualifies. There are 125 or so schools that play at that level, I'd say 60-70 or so are nationally known. The Ivies, by and large, are nationally known. Certainly Princeton, Yale, and Harvard and I bet that honors students nationwide would know Brown, Darthmouth, UPenn and Columbia. MIT is nationally known. I'd say Cal Poly is nationally known. Probably 10 or so D1 basketball schools that don't have football programs like Georgetown. So 100 or more schools are nationally known by my reasoning. Isn't that enough?

I've always said I think the UAA schools are some of the most well known of the D3 schools. I just don't think they are as nationally known as others seem to believe.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 14, 2014, 10:44:21 AM
Washington and Lee University's ranking in the 2014 edition of Best Colleges is National Liberal Arts Colleges, 14.

I know. But I'm a W&L grad. Sure they got  kids from 30+ states, but most of those states had fewer than 10 kids and many had less than 3. The bulk of kids at W&L come from less than 10 states, primarily bordering or one state over from Virginia. It's a definition of national that I just don't buy. No one in my h.s. knew about W&L, counting the guidance department, when I went there and the school carried about the same rating. I was constantly asked why I was going to William and Mary, or Washington U or, the real kicker, why with my grades I wasn't going to a better school. W&L was my reach! Does W&L get kids from across the nation? Sure. Is it nationally known? Not by the number of employers in the Northeast who looked at my resume and had no idea how good a school I went to. Down here in the South I get ton of credit. In the Northeast I got a blank stare. That to me is a very good indication of regional regardless of U.S. News...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 14, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 10:56:21 AM
No one in my h.s. knew about W&L, counting the guidance department, when I went there and the school carried about the same rating. I was constantly asked why I was going to William and Mary, or Washington U or, the real kicker, why with my grades I wasn't going to a better school. W&L was my reach!

First, I'll admit that I chuckled here, because I had similar experiences when speaking with people from my hometown that were unfamiliar with academia.  Not with guidance counselors or teachers, but with random acquaintances (i.e. the barber, the mailman, etc - "You're going where now?  Oh, is that a good school?"), so I can relate to that on a personal level.  This circles back to my earlier theory that it's not the region of the nation, but who you're talking to....

Quote from: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 10:56:21 AM
Is it nationally known? Not by the number of employers in the Northeast who looked at my resume and had no idea how good a school I went to. Down here in the South I get ton of credit. In the Northeast I got a blank stare. That to me is a very good indication of regional regardless of U.S. News...

Fair enough if that's been your experience with W & L.  In my admittedly-biased sample of friends and acquaintances from CMU, I have yet to hear of any classmates seeking employment whose prospective employer had not heard of CMU or was unaware of its caliber.  If they walked into a bar and asked a random cross-section of people, sure, people might not have heard of CMU.  When they're interviewing for jobs, nobody complains that their employer hasn't heard of CMU.

Again: I'd argue that it's not the region of the country, but who you are talking to.  CMU is certainly "nationally known" among academics and employers in technical fields; perhaps it is not "nationally known" by high school students and, in your experience, guidance counselors or teachers.  Fair enough.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 14, 2014, 11:50:21 AM
Okay, let's agree to disagree about what is meant by "nationally known" and in whose eyes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 14, 2014, 11:50:21 AM
Okay, let's agree to disagree about what is meant by "nationally known" and in whose eyes.

Seconded.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 14, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: jknezek on May 14, 2014, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 14, 2014, 11:50:21 AM
Okay, let's agree to disagree about what is meant by "nationally known" and in whose eyes.
Seconded.

But what else will we talk about until the season starts?

I kid.  Good discussion, as usual.  We've all made our key points.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 15, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
jknezek,

Well, I was born and raised in Houston, TX, and the people at my high school (St. John's School in Houston) DEFINITELY knew about W&L.  I graduated in 1990, to give you a frame of reference.

W&L was a very popular school for graduates of my high school.  Pretty much every graduating class at St. John's sends at least a few of its graduates to W&L.  One guy that graduated a year before I did even played football there!

I had heard of CWRU in high school.  One other guy from my graduating class also applied and was accepted there, but ended up attending Lehigh instead.  I, of course, went on to CWRU.  At least two members of my graduating class went on to Washington U.-St. Louis, one to Emory, at least one to Johns Hopkins (then a UAA member), and one to Chicago.  None from my class attended NYU, Rochester, Brandies or CMU, but members of other graduating classes from my HS have gone to those schools as well.

Now then.

If you're talking about SMALL TOWN Texas..............sure.

Not many people in small town TX have heard of either CWRU or W&L.  In fact, outside of the big state universities in TX, and a small number of big-time Division I athletic schools out of state, it'd be hard for any school to become well known in some of the more rednecky TX small towns.  Even the Ivy League schools might not be household names there!

I'm guessing that that's true everywhere.  But consider the following:

I would doubt that most people in small town TX have heard of any of the NESCAC schools, but that certainly does not mean that they aren't nationally known, or aren't national schools.  Why not?  Because their academic reputations are definitely nationally known!

To me that's what being a "national university" means: having an academic reputation that is strong and well-known all over the country, regardless of the demographics of the student body.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 15, 2014, 03:21:48 AM
Gang,

Rowing is only a "club" sport at Case, and as well all know, Case is a member of NCAA Division III.

Nevertheless, Case apparently has a rower that was good enough to just win the nation's largest intercollegiate rowing competition, and even has a possibility of making the national (and possibly the Olympic) team.

Check out this article!

http://cwru-daily.com/news/undergraduate-wins-universitys-first-gold-medal-at-national-rowing-championships/ (http://cwru-daily.com/news/undergraduate-wins-universitys-first-gold-medal-at-national-rowing-championships/)

Is there anyone out there that knows enough about intercollegiate rowing to be able to say whether or not this is a "big-time" accomplishment?

If it is, then I'd say that rowing should probably be elevated from club to varsity status!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 15, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
Quite the accomplishment for DelBarba, but one rower's success is hardly cause for adding a varsity sport.

The Dad Vail is a big deal.  It's probably the only US regatta known to those who don't follow rowing, like me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 16, 2014, 01:39:05 AM
ADL70,

But what case could be made against it?

Case is apparently already competitive, we have the boats, the water nearby (at least in good weather), and the NCAA already sponsors a Division III women's rowing championship (if not men's).

Seems to me that this would be the easiest sport to transition to varsity status.

Apparently this "club" already has a coach.  Is he a volunteer, or does he get paid something?

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 16, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
I don't know the details of the sport, but one rower does not a team make.  A club team can include undergraduates, graduate students, and even faculty, while except for limited exceptions an NCAA varsity sport can only be for undergraduates.

It appears the NCAA has a championship for women's rowing, but not men's.

Two sports that were once varsity at CWRU, fencing and golf, would seemingly be easier to restart.  I was surprised Dials didn't promote golf, as he was a single digit handicap. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2014, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 16, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
I don't know the details of the sport, but one rower does not a team make.  A club team can include undergraduates, graduate students, and even faculty, while except for limited exceptions an NCAA varsity sport can only be for undergraduates.

It appears the NCAA has a championship for women's rowing, but not men's.

Two sports that were once varsity at CWRU, fencing and golf, would seemingly be easier to restart.  I was surprised Dials didn't promote golf, as he was a single digit handicap.

ADL70:

I assume you are talking only about rowing with regard to faculty members being allowed to participate on a club team representing their college/university.  I wasn't aware of such allowance for that, which is neat, in a sense, if that is so.  However, I do know that is not allowed in most of the other club collegiate sports, at least not in lacrosse, hockey or football.  Most of the legitimate national club collegiate organizations and conference collegiate organizations (such as the American Collegiate Hockey Association, the Men's Club Collegiate Lacrosse association, etc. and the conferences that are members of either organization) are set up to run essentially the same way the NCAA runs those programs for DIII, including eligibility rules concerning maintaining a minimum grade point to remain playing.  A student-athlete has to be a full-time student at the school regardless of whether or not they are an undergraduate or graduate program student, again, faculty members ineligible to participate.



   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 16, 2014, 03:10:11 PM
Right, just what I read on the CWRU Crew page.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 16, 2014, 03:10:11 PM
Right, just what I read on the CWRU Crew page.

Thanks.  I'll have to check out the webpages regarding requirements of the club collegiate crew programs at other colleges/universities.  Most likely those are similar to that of CWRU.  Also, it seems logical that schools like CWRU in the Great Lakes areas and those near other waterways would be able to have crew programs if there is enough interest, and at the very least, at the club collegiate level i.e. virtual varsity, although I can't imagine that adding it at an actual varsity status would cost that much $. Besides, the season would be so short, yet I doubt the student-athletes involved in that mind at all.     
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2014, 08:45:05 PM
It's a club sport and the schools can do what they want to, in terms of allowing grad students, faculty members, staff, or students that are ineligible for intercollegiate athletics. However, any association they might join would likely be able to impose team membership restrictions.

Often the teams and their coaches are funded by student government and student activity fees, but this certainly can depend on the school.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2014, 08:45:05 PM
It's a club sport and the schools can do what they want to, in terms of allowing grad students, faculty members, staff, or students that are ineligible for intercollegiate athletics. However, any association they might join would likely be able to impose team membership restrictions.

Often the teams and their coaches are funded by student government and student activity fees, but this certainly can depend on the school.

You are correct, Pat.  A club sport that is independent at a school can do what they want, for the most part, although, the club organization itself is controlled by/under the auspices of the administration of the particular school.  At Hope College, for example, the governing board of a club sport reports to the Dean of Students, which, in turn, his department and the financial department of the college oversees/handles any funding that is raised in fundraisers and/or "dues for play" by either the student-athletes themselves in an organized effort, parent booster programs and/or, as you have also pointed out, student government and student activity fees.  At some schools, coaches are paid by the college, many others are simply volunteer.  Also, Hope's club collegiate hockey team, for example, gets use of the College's team buses and the college pays for all the ice arena time, however, many other DIII club collegiate hockey teams are not as fortunate and are responsible for making arrangements of everything.

Unlike some DIII schools, Hope doesn't have any graduate degree programs (other than the combined nursing degree program), however, I do know they do not allow faculty to participate.  Although for a club crew team(rowing team, as some of the colleges/universities call it) such as CRWR, apparently a faculty member can participate, which, again, I think is neat.   

Yet, as you mention, if such club team(s) choose to join an association or organized conference (if they are accepted, and that is quite a process as you know i.e. not a lock-in for any applying program), for sure, they are obligated to abide by the rules of those organizations, again, as you pointed out.

I think that, overall, it is good that many of the schools allow these competitive club sports as it provides additional opportunities for the students.  Hope even has a club collegiate rugby team in recent years.  Also, (and I'm sure you probably already knew this) there are club collegiate football conferences.  I was interested to learn in recent years that one has been in existence here in Michigan/Ohio/Wisconsin.  Teams like U of M-Flint, Loyola-Chicago, Marquette Univ, (and even Ohio State believe it or not) participate, although some of their games are against the J.V. teams of DIII, NAIA schools and/or newly installed varsity programs that in the building process, such as Concordia-Ann Arbor and Siena Heights University did in recent years.  Other schools have brought club collegiate football in an effort to start a process (i.e. campaign) to try and bring back varsity football from their programs having been dropped many years ago (for example, New Orleans University, again, Marquette, etc. to name a couple).           
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: southview on May 18, 2014, 10:24:57 AM
Has anyone watched film on all of the Case football recruits? How do they look? Anyone particular standouts?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 18, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
With  all the off topic discussions you may not have seen this:

Quote from: ADL70 on May 07, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
The pressing need is OL, and the class has ten lineman.  Of those Gage Blair (6'2 285) was a two-year starter for powerhouse St Ed, Ryan Merlau (6'2 255) was All-NY HM, and Dominic Adams from Lake Cath looks good for the small tackle (6'2 240).  Then there's the 6'4 360 Brandon King, although last year's 330+ lineman wasn't with the team after camp.  By game two I can foresee as many as three Fr starting on the line.

With all these OL additions either Corey Long or Sean Carson or both could move back to TE, the only position missing from the class.

Connor Simpson and Rob Cuda both seem to be quality QB prospects.

RB is also a need as Sicre and Hanzlik are both seniors.  Canganelli and Burke could be a good tandem.

The D standouts include Mentor LB Justin McMahon (All-Ohio DI first team) and Columbus Watterson S Cody Calhoun, who played in the Ohio North South All-Star game.  McMahon, Canganelli, and Perry WR/CB Zak Hurd have been selected for the News-Herald Senior Bowl.

Welcome Southview, what is your interest?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 18, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
I had a son row in High school. Many of the regatta's had college club teams, such as Wheaton. It is a very expensive sport, even used Shells can be quite expensive. We saw the the club teams especially in the fall season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on May 20, 2014, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 15, 2014, 02:01:56 AMI would doubt that most people in small town TX have heard of any of the NESCAC schools, but that ceraintly does not mean that they aren't nationally known, or aren't national schools.  Why not?  Because their academic reputations are definitely nationally known!

To me that's what being a "national university" means: having an academic reputation that is strong and well-known all over the country, regardless of the demographics of the student body.

To add to this I would also say that a school that is nationally known is not necessarily known equally in all regions.  Around here EVERYONE knows the NESCAC schools.  W&L is also fairly well known as are other highly academic schools in the NE/Middle Atlantic.  WashU and Chicago do very heavy marketing in this area but CMU and CWRU do not so the schools aren't as well known in this area.  I don't think that mean they are not national universities.  It just means that they might consider doing some more marketing in this area.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 25, 2014, 12:23:09 AM
At this time, congratulations are in order!

Two Case men's tennis players just won the doubles national title!

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140524nd1e28 (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mten/2013-14/releases/20140524nd1e28)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 03, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
WUStL's 2014 30 frosh

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/roster
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2014, 12:46:31 AM
I realize that this isn't football, but how KEWL is this?

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 09, 2014, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2014, 12:46:31 AM
I realize that this isn't football, but how KEWL is this?

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub)

Pretty amazing story.  He might have a leg up, too, given that his arm has an awful lot less mileage on it than a lot of kids his age, and he has a bunch of years seeing the game from the other side as a catcher.  Good luck to him!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on June 12, 2014, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 08, 2014, 12:46:31 AM
I realize that this isn't football, but how KEWL is this?

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140607aca1ub)

Fantastic!  I am a huge MLB fan and I will keep my eyes out for him in coming years.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 19, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Wyant Athletic Center Update (coming along nicely):

http://athletics.case.edu/facilities/wyant_athletic_wellness_center

Also new for 2014, uniforms from Nike with a darker shade of blue (like the logo on the website) and possibly blue helmets for the first time in program history.

I understand Masngelluzzi and Hanzlik won't be playing in 2014.  However Erb is back from injury that cost him all of last season.

Underclassmen will need to step up to provide backup for Sicre.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 21, 2014, 04:08:11 AM
Wow!!!

That facility, together with its Belichick weight room, are really going to be first rate!

Since this is a "Wellness Center," I'm guessing that it'll be open to the entire student body, not just varsity athletes, right?  If so, then what a great recruiting tool for all students it will be!

I need to plan a trip up to Case this Fall.  I haven't been back since 2007, and I want to see the new student center, the new performing arts complex, and this facility.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 23, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
Great to hear you'll be CONUS by Fall.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 23, 2014, 12:52:13 AM
I should be back in mid to late August.

Just in time to follow our first PAC season!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 23, 2014, 08:42:34 AM
The first since 1983.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on June 24, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 19, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Wyant Athletic Center Update (coming along nicely):

http://athletics.case.edu/facilities/wyant_athletic_wellness_center

Also new for 2014, uniforms from Nike with a darker shade of blue (like the logo on the website) and possibly blue helmets for the first time in program history.

I understand Masngelluzzi and Hanzlik won't be playing in 2014.  However Erb is back from injury that cost him all of last season.


What happened to both players?
Underclassmen will need to step up to provide backup for Sicre.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 24, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
That I don't know.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 28, 2014, 12:08:52 PM
Update on an old topic.

I ran across a South Florida Select Football Clinic that was held in Boca Raton June 6-8.  Coaches reported to be in attendance were all the Ivies, all NESCAC, four other IAA, and eighteen DIII, including CWRU, CMU, Chicago, Hopkins, Oberlin, Rochester, and W&L.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on June 29, 2014, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 28, 2014, 12:08:52 PM
Update on an old topic.

I ran across a South Florida Select Football Clinic that was held in Boca Raton June 6-8.  Coaches reported to be in attendance were all the Ivies, all NESCAC, four other IAA, and eighteen DIII, including CWRU, CMU, Chicago, Hopkins, Oberlin, Rochester, and W&L.

It was run by Jeff Dellenbach and Mike Tracy.  Jeff Dellenbach is a former Miami Dolphins player and currently the head coach at Boca Raton HS.  He is also the former AD and head coach at American Heritage where my son is an alum.  The first year of this camp was held at American Heritage.  If you go the this website http://selectfootballclinic.com/ and click on 2012 photos you can get a look at the facility, which is fantastic for a high school.

Coach Dellenbach is a big supporter of kids playing in college, regardless of the level.  He helped my son find the NE Elite camp (which is similar but held in Boston)  when he was in high school and I believe he founded this camp because he saw the need for something like this in the area.  I would love to see this grow.  I don't know how large it was.

Mike Tracy is the former DC at Hamilton and my son got to know him as he was pretty heavily recruited by Hamilton.  I thought he was a pretty nice guy but I don't know a whole lot about him. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on June 29, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: casefldad on June 24, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
What happened to both players?
Underclassmen will need to step up to provide backup for Sicre.


I think Mangeluzzi might be transferring.  I'm not sure about Hanzlik.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 29, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
He was reported going to three different schools (and apparently showed up at one of them), before landing at CWRU.  So I guess we shouldn't be surprised he was still looking for "greener pastures," but I took it as a good sign that a player from his high school is coming to CWRU this year.

With upper class attrition, it appears 99 players are expected to report in August. 

Watch for updated website look tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 01, 2014, 04:11:37 AM
The new athletics website is crisp and sharp.

Out of curiosity, do you happen to know when they will post the 2014 football roster?

Also, when is Kickoff 2014 due?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 01, 2014, 08:25:06 AM
Roster should be up soon.

Kickoff is usually mid-August.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 01, 2014, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on June 29, 2014, 08:42:36 PM

It was run by Jeff Dellenbach and Mike Tracy.  Jeff Dellenbach is a former Miami Dolphins player and currently the head coach at Boca Raton HS.  He is also the former AD and head coach at American Heritage where my son is an alum.  The first year of this camp was held at American Heritage.  If you go the this website http://selectfootballclinic.com/ and click on 2012 photos you can get a look at the facility, which is fantastic for a high school.

Coach Dellenbach is a big supporter of kids playing in college, regardless of the level.  He helped my son find the NE Elite camp (which is similar but held in Boston)  when he was in high school and I believe he founded this camp because he saw the need for something like this in the area.  I would love to see this grow.  I don't know how large it was.
 

Jeff Dellenbach played in the offensive line of the Wisconsin BADGERS.  Though he's better remembered as a Miami Dolphin he did play on the PACKERS team that won Super Bowl XXXI.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2014, 08:19:20 AM
Roster is up:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/roster
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on July 02, 2014, 10:03:37 PM
Sorry to see that a couple of last year's players are not listed.  Anyone have info?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 03, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
I don't think attrition was any greater than usual, although, as reported earlier, there were a couple of high profile ones.

For the most part I think players' reasons are best kept confidential.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on July 14, 2014, 03:21:07 PM
Better late than never - Wash U officially announces freshman class - 36 guys from 19 different states.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140714vf9zmo (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140714vf9zmo)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 28, 2014, 11:36:21 AM
Borrowing a cool thread topic from the NCAC board: what was the best team from each school of the D3football.com era?  And, as a follow-up, how would we rank them against one another in a hypothetical ranking of all UAA teams from 1999-2013?  I'll start by listing the strongest candidates from each school, then rank the best overall.

Carnegie Mellon: the 2006 team is the only slam-dunk choice, an 11-1 team that notched a playoff win thanks primarily to its outstanding left tackle spectacular one-two punch at running back and a consistently solid defense.  The next-best candidates are probably the 1999 team (8-3, ECAC bowl win), the 2007 team (7-4, ECAC bowl win) and 2001 team (7-2, losses came 17-7 vs. 8-2 WashU and 35-32 vs. Rhodes).

Case Western: a couple of teams that we'll have to tease apart here.  2007's 11-1 team probably takes the pole position, but 2008 and 2009 teams also went undefeated in the regular season and might have won a playoff game with a favorable matchup like the 2007 team got.  The 2011 team comes in fourth place by virtue of its 9-1 record in the regular season, but that team was clearly less dominant than the 2007-2009 teams.

Chicago: at first I thought the obvious choice was 2010's 8-2 UAA championship team, but the 2000 team (7-2, UAA champions) has a strong case, too.  The Maroons also won a UAA title in 2005, but that was more a function of an overall down year for the UAA than anything; Case wasn't any good yet and WashU/CMU both had very "blah" teams.  Chicago even started 0-4 (with a pair of losses to teams that finished 3-7) before running the table to finish 5-4.  Hard to stick them on this list.  I'm just including 2000 and 2010 Chicago.

Wash U: Incredibly, despite being the most consistent winning program in the UAA for most of the allotted time period, WashU has never produced one truly dominant team, merely a bunch of "good" ones that cranked out UAA titles before CMU's brief ascent and then CWRU's slightly longer reign.  But they had a string of 6-4 UAA championship teams that are hard to place on this list, IMO.  The 1999 and 2001 teams both won 8 games, as did last year's team.  Beyond those three, I don't see any other teams that merit inclusion on this list...although, I think a shout-out to 2010's 7-3 team is probably fine as well, a team that toppled then-undefeated Wabash (who would go on to finish 8-2 with a huge win in the Monon Bell game) and came within a field goal of beating the 2010 Chicago team that's a candidate for this list.

So I've tabbed our unofficial top-14 candidates for "best UAA team from 1999-2013" to be

1999 CMU (8-3, ECAC bowl win, 232 PF, 109 PA, best wins: 31-7 vs. 6-4 Alfred, 28-10 vs. 8-3 Frostburg State in ECAC bowl)
2001 CMU (7-2, no postseason, 246 PF, 152 PA, best wins: 23-17 vs. 6-3 Chicago)
2006 CMU (11-1, UAA champ, playoff win, 308 PF, 119 PA, best wins: 10-7 (OT) at 6-4 WashU for UAA title, 21-0 vs. 7-4 Millsaps in NCAA first round)
2007 CMU (7-4, ECAC bowl win, 264 PF, 181 PA, best wins: 33-10 at 6-5 Rochester, 18-13 vs. 7-3 WashU, 39-21 vs. 6-3 Wash & Lee, 21-20 vs. 6-5 Gettysburg in ECAC bowl)

2007 CWRU (11-1, UAA champ, playoff win, 409 PF, 199 PA, best wins: 20-17 (OT) vs. 7-4 CMU, 35-27 vs. 7-3 WashU, 21-20 vs. 8-3 Widener in NCAA first round)
2008 CWRU (10-1, UAA champ, playoff berth, 416 PF, 153 PA, best wins: 45-14 vs. 6-4 Denison, 28-7 vs. 8-2 Wooster, playoff loss: 20-17 vs. Wabash in NCAA first round)
2009 CWRU (10-1, UAA champ, playoff berth, 466 PF, 207 PA, best wins: 38-24 vs. 5-4 Chicago, 53-32 vs. 5-5 Wooster, playoff loss: 51-38 vs. Trine in NCAA first round)
2011 CWRU (9-1, UAA champ, 237 PF, 129 PA, best wins: 24-17 vs. 5-5 John Carroll, 16-6 vs. 6-4 WashU, discussion of non-postseason selection below)

2000 Chicago (7-2, UAA champ, 193 PF, 106 PA, best wins: 13-3 vs. 6-3 Rochester, 20-6 vs. 6-4 CMU, 12-9 vs. 5-4 WashU)
2010 Chicago (8-2, UAA champ, 317 PF, 190 PA, best wins: 56-24 vs. 8-2 Concordia-Chicago, 24-20 vs. 8-2 Case Western, 13-10 vs. 7-3 WashU for UAA title)

1999 WashU (8-3, UAA champ, playoff berth, 259 PF, 152 PA, best wins: 24-7 vs. 8-3 CMU, 12-7 vs. 6-3 Rhodes, playoff loss: 28-21 vs. Hardin-Simmons)
2001 WashU (8-2, UAA champ, 226 PF, 128 PA, best wins: 17-7 vs. 8-2 Albion, 17-14 vs. 7-2 Illinois Wesleyan, 17-7 vs. 7-2 CMU, 21-17 vs. 6-3 Chicago)
2010 WashU (7-3, 190 PF, 139 PA, best wins: 24-20 vs. 8-2 Wabash, 14-13 vs. 8-2 CWRU)
2013 WashU (8-3, UAA champ, playoff berth, 209 PF, 127 PA, best wins: 10-7 vs. 8-2 Rhodes, 31-14 vs. 7-3 Centre, 17-7 vs. 6-4 Chicago, notable loss: 17-7 vs. eventual national champion UW-Whitewater, playoff loss: 17-10 vs. Franklin)

(Results posted on the next page)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Nice analysis.

I'd go with 2008 as best for CWRU, mostly same players from 2007 with more experience, who had more convincing wins than 2007 team and came within one play of beating Wabash in playoffs, losing 17-20 in the final minute on a kinda fluky long TD pass.

2014 Spartans preview:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/2014072599llj7
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 28, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Nice analysis.

I'd go with 2008 as best for CWRU, mostly same players from 2007 with more experience, who had more convincing wins than 2007 team and came within one play of beating Wabash in playoffs, losing 17-20 in the final minute on a kinda fluky long TD pass.

Probably will agree with you on CWRU's best team...I will keep filling in more info on this post throughout the day during mini-breaks from work.  Could be awhile til I've filled in all of the stats and stuff that I want to...I'll just keep editing and saving the post as I go.  Just seems like a neat little conversation topic and something to record here for posterity as we're 15 years into the "D3football.com era" so to speak.  I will be as unbiased and objective as I can, trying to account for things like quality wins and dominance rather than just ranking teams by final record.

Edited to add: this will be reflected in the final rankings I post, but yeah, CWRU's 2008 team was almost definitely the best of the group.  Will explain in detail later.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
I'm still pondering whether to pick 2006 CMU or 2008 CWRU as top UAA team.

Convincing CMU playoff win over Millsaps might be the edge, but then next was the 0-37 loss although to #7 Wesley. 

2006 CMU #22
2008 CWRU #21
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 28, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
I'm still pondering whether to pick 2006 CMU or 2008 CWRU as top UAA team.

Convincing CMU playoff win over Millsaps might be the edge, but then next was the 0-37 loss although to #7 Wesley. 

2006 CMU #22
2008 CWRU #21

I'll get to this in detail eventually...I do agree that those are the top two candidates for the top spot, pretty clearly.  I think sorting out the next few teams will be kinda fun, though, and I'll learn a few things about some of those 7-8 win teams along the way.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on July 28, 2014, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
Nice analysis.

I'd go with 2008 as best for CWRU, mostly same players from 2007 with more experience, who had more convincing wins than 2007 team and came within one play of beating Wabash in playoffs, losing 17-20 in the final minute on a kinda fluky long TD pass.

2014 Spartans preview:

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/2014072599llj7

Nothing fluky about Wes Chamblee being the fastest dude on the field, friend. 

Interestingly enough, the whole series of events that led to Wabash's final drive was probably triggered by a Wabash timeout (which I really thought was a bad idea at the time).  With Wabash up 13-10, CWRU had driven to the Wabash 1 with under 2:00 to play.  Spartans are held out on 3rd down.  FG unit comes on to tie.  TIMEOUT Wabash.  What?  Debeljak just took Dan Whalen off the field.  Why give him a minute to change his mind?  Change his mind he did, and Whalen sneaks in (so the official record says...I remain unconvinced).  So instead of protecting the ball and playing for an overtime session (which I'm certain is what would have happened), Wabash has to turn it all loose.  Sacked on third down, Wabash faces a 4th a 15 at their own 27.  Hudson to Chamblee for 21 yards.  Move the sticks.  Next snap, Hudson to Chamblee for 52 yards...table for 6, please.  Ballgame.  And none of that would have happened had Raeburn not called timeout and given CWRU the chance to put Whalen back on the field on 4th and G.    Funny how things work out. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 28, 2014, 02:41:04 PM

Expected that would get a rise.

Yes, absolutely great play by Chamblee.  But I say kinda fluky because it wasn't that he got behind the secondary and cruised for the TD.  It was a throw into the middle of the zone defense and he evaded several potential tacklers to score.  At the time I also noted that Wabash likely would have run out the clock to OT had CWRU kicked the FG instead of Whalen sneaking the ball (not himself) in.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on July 28, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
Thank goodness for internet archives!  The video can still be viewed on the youtube and upon further review, there wasn't much fluky there.  Just a soft coverage and no pass rush...Chamblee gets the ball in space (he's good in space...ring the cliché bell) and beats everybody to the end zone.  That's not fluky, that's just a great player making a great play.  The 2001 Monon Miracle...maybe a little fluky, even if it was a designed play.  The tipped two pointer to beat North Central in 2011 was pretty fluky (although multiple LG receivers were open there).  But not that one.  That was an awesome ball game though.  I almost didn't make that trip up there.  I was definitely relieved that I did. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 28, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on July 28, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
Thank goodness for internet archives!  The video can still be viewed on the youtube and upon further review, there wasn't much fluky there.  Just a soft coverage and no pass rush...Chamblee gets the ball in space (he's good in space...ring the cliché bell) and beats everybody to the end zone.  That's not fluky, that's just a great player making a great play.  The 2001 Monon Miracle...maybe a little fluky, even if it was a designed play.  The tipped two pointer to beat North Central in 2011 was pretty fluky (although multiple LG receivers were open there).  But not that one.  That was an awesome ball game though.  I almost didn't make that trip up there.  I was definitely relieved that I did.

Boy, I caught holy hell for terming it 'fluky' at the time! :o ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on July 28, 2014, 03:48:56 PM
I probably shouldn't have used "fluky" there.  I really don't like that word when we talk about these kinds of things...it really takes away from the play and the players and more often than not gets used to delegitimize a game result which is probably the biggest crime of all. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 28, 2014, 06:12:06 PM
Completing my rankings post that started on the previous page....I present to you, the best UAA teams of the D3football.com era (1999-2013):

Honorable Mention

2007 Carnegie Mellon (7-4, ECAC bowl win, 264 PF, 181 PA, best wins: 33-10 at 6-5 Rochester, 18-13 vs. 7-3 WashU, 39-21 vs. 6-3 Wash & Lee, 21-20 vs. 6-5 Gettysburg in ECAC bowl) is probably a bit of a homer pick but deserves an honorable mention.  Coming off a playoff season, the Tartans still had a formidable rushing game but were done in by turnovers and poor QB play early in the season, losing four straight close games to drop to 2-4, with an overtime loss against Case being a possible nail in the coffin for this season...only to run off four straight wins to close the regular season and then winning an ECAC bowl game.  Obviously, there's an "I was there" bias for me when analyzing this team, but remain convinced that the 2006 playoff team was only marginally better than the 2007 team and that luck, turnovers, and a questionable play call or two was all that separated this squad from another UAA title and playoff berth (or at least an eight-win regular season).  This team also makes the list by virtue of playing a much tougher schedule (notice that it recorded four wins against teams with 6+ wins, whereas some other teams ON this list with 8-2 or 9-1 records only beat one or two of those) than some teams ranked here.  It should also be noted that this team's four losses came against 8-3 Hobart (playoff team), 5-5 Allegheny (yuck), 8-2 Randolph-Macon (in playoff hunt on final weekend), and 11-1 Case Western, all in close games that came down to the final moments or overtime.  I'll admit that we're probably reaching if we include any teams that finished with only 6 regular season wins, so I'll gladly stick this at the "bottom" of our list 

2001 Carnegie Mellon (7-2, no postseason, 246 PF, 152 PA, best wins: 23-17 vs. 6-3 Chicago) is a team that I can't tell much about because it really predates much of my knowledge of Division III football and there aren't many statistical archives there.  But it looks like a solid club and any two-loss-or-better team at least drew some consideration here.

2010 WashU (7-3, 190 PF, 139 PA, best wins: 24-20 vs. 8-2 Wabash, 14-13 vs. 8-2 CWRU) is the lowest-scoring team considered, the only team listed here with less than 20 ppg scored for the season.  Nonetheless, the 2010 Bears nearly made this list by upsetting a very good Wabash team (8-2, blew out SCAC champion DePauw in the Monon Bell game) and coming within a field-goal of the 2010 Chicago team ranked here.

2000 Chicago (7-2, UAA champ, 193 PF, 106 PA, best wins: 13-3 vs. 6-3 Rochester, 20-6 vs. 6-4 CMU, 12-9 vs. 5-4 WashU) has the same description as 2001 Carnegie Mellon.  Couple wins against decent teams, predates my era, don't know much about them because statistical archives online don't go back that far.

The Top Ten

10. 1999 Carnegie Mellon (8-3, ECAC bowl win, 232 PF, 109 PA, best wins: 31-7 vs. 6-4 Alfred, 28-10 vs. 8-3 Frostburg State in ECAC bowl): I suppose you could make an argument that all ranked teams should have won the conference title and these guys didn't (lost to the 1999 WashU playoff team).  But, they won an ECAC bowl game, gave up less than 10 ppg for the season, and our coaches raved about this team when I was a player there, so I'll give them some benefit of the doubt.

9. 2011 Case Western (9-1, UAA champ, 237 PF, 129 PA, best wins: 16-6 vs. 6-4 WashU, 24-17 vs. 5-5 John Carroll): a somewhat low ranking for a 9-1 team on this list, but one that I think is justified despite their record (versus the mere 8-win campaigns of the four teams ranked above them).  On the flip side, it could also be argued that this should have been a playoff team, since their sole loss was a non-region loss (they were technically 9-0 in-region).  There are two big things working against them historically: one, that loss was a ghastly loss, a 17-7 home defeat against a Rochester team that would lose 52-3 the following week to St. John Fisher and finish the season 4-5, and two, there's a complete dearth of quality wins to offset the bad loss.  They beat a 6-4 WashU team 16-6, and after that, their next best win was probably 5-5 John Carroll (or 5-5 CMU, or 5-5 Chicago, or 5-5 Allegheny, but you get the point).  They didn't play a schedule full of really awful teams, just a schedule full of very mediocre ones (as evidenced by the four wins against 5-5 teams), and while you can only play who they put in front of you, if it's that "blah" of a schedule, you've got to beat them all.  This Case team was far lower-scoring than its predecessors in the big three-year run (23.7 ppg compared to those teams scoring in the high 30's and low 40's), so while it's tempting to lump them in with 2007-2009 Case, it was really nothing like those squads.

8. 2001 WashU (8-2, UAA champ, 226 PF, 128 PA, best wins: 17-7 vs. 8-2 Albion, 17-14 vs. 7-2 Illinois Wesleyan, 17-7 vs. 7-2 CMU, 21-17 vs. 6-3 Chicago): a surprisingly good team that I knew very little about until I started researching this little project.  I'll concede that this team also has a bad loss (a 7-6 loss to 5-5 Rhodes at midseason) like the 2011 Case team I just ranked #9, but they have several quality wins to make up for that, which is why I've got them ranked one notch higher.  2001 WashU beat four teams with a winning record, three of which finished with only two losses; 2011 Case Western didn't even play a team with more than six wins.  They posted a comparable point differential against a much tougher schedule than 2011 Case.  2001 WashU gets the nod.

7. 2010 Chicago (8-2, UAA champ, 317 PF, 190 PA, best wins: 56-24 vs. 8-2 Concordia-Chicago, 24-20 vs. 8-2 Case Western, 13-10 vs. 7-3 WashU for UAA title): here's the highest-ranked team to miss the postseason on our list.  You might even be able to argue for them one notch higher, as they did have a more explosive offense than either of the WashU teams ranked above them, and they did notch a few quality wins.  However, they also had a lesser defense than those WashU teams, and each of those WashU squads had something noteworthy that (IMO) set them apart from this group.

The Playoff Teams – I didn't set out to rank them this way, but ultimately, I think the six playoff teams probably do rank as the six best teams considered for this listing. 

5B. 1999 WashU (8-3, UAA champ, playoff berth, 259 PF, 152 PA, best wins: 24-7 vs. 8-3 CMU, 12-7 vs. 6-3 Rhodes, playoff loss: 28-21 vs. Hardin-Simmons)

5A. 2013 WashU (8-3, UAA champ, playoff berth, 209 PF, 127 PA, best wins: 10-7 vs. 8-2 Rhodes, 31-14 vs. 7-3 Centre, 17-7 vs. 6-4 Chicago, notable loss: 17-7 vs. eventual national champion UW-Whitewater, playoff loss: 17-10 vs. Franklin):

Maybe there's a bit of recency bias here, but I'm ranking 2013 WashU a smidge above 1999 WashU for a couple of reasons.  One, they had a fantastic defense (take out one oddball shootout with Hendrix and they gave up 82 points in 10 games).  They scored a couple of pretty good non-conference wins against Rhodes and Centre.  Perhaps most impressively, they led 7-0 entering the fourth quarter against eventual national champion UW-Whitewater before falling 17-7.  That's arguably the single most impressive "result" any of these teams lodged, including the teams ranked above them.

1999 WashU was no slouch, and they did log an impressive win vs. a pretty good CMU team that made the Honorable Mention on this list.  They also get some bonus points for a competitive 28-21 playoff loss to Hardin-Simmons, who crushed W & J in the next round before falling 40-33 against Trinity in the quarterfinals.  That's what sets these teams apart from the 2010 Chicago team, IMO; both WashU squads showed well in the playoffs and against tough competition, and I don't think the 2010 Chicago team can claim a result as impressive as either of these.

3B. 2007 Case Western (11-1, UAA champ, playoff win, 409 PF, 199 PA, best wins: 20-17 (OT) vs. 7-4 CMU, 35-27 vs. 7-3 WashU, 21-20 vs. 8-3 Widener in NCAA first round)

3A. 2009 Case Western (10-1, UAA champ, playoff berth, 466 PF, 207 PA, best wins: 38-24 vs. 5-4 Chicago, 53-32 vs. 5-5 Wooster, playoff loss: 51-38 vs. Trine in NCAA first round)

These teams were tough for me to disentangle.  Before I looked into it, I assumed that I'd rank the 2009 team ahead of the 2007 team because 2009 was Whalen's senior year, and I assumed that the team had continued to build and improve vs. those couple of seasons....but now I'm not so sure.  Although I recalled the 2007 team playing a dreadfully weak schedule (including TWO games against start-up programs), they did record three wins against 7+ win teams, since 2007 was a pretty strong year for the UAA and WashU + CMU both also had pretty good teams.  Amazingly enough, the 2009 team played an even worse schedule (down year for the UAA + drawing all of the NCAC dregs in the scheduling agreement) and, while they dominated...they dropped the ball with a first-round playoff loss to Trine, who may or may not have been a better playoff opponent than 2007 Widener.  The 2009 team may have been better (they were certainly dominant against that weak schedule), but I think the 2007 team "proved" a little more if that makes any sense.  Ultimately, I've got the 2009 team higher because Whalen was at the height of his powers and I think the WR's may have been a little better than the 2007 team, but the 2007 team probably had a little better defense...ADL70, your thoughts?

2. 2006 Carnegie Mellon (11-1, UAA champ, playoff win, 308 PF, 119 PA, best wins: 10-7 (OT) at 6-4 WashU for UAA title, 21-0 vs. 7-4 Millsaps in NCAA first round):

Grrrrr, this kills me, it really does, but I've got to apply my criteria consistently...and the fact is that the 2006 CMU team also played a jarringly weak schedule, with only one game against a team with a winning record during the regular season (Incredibly, as I noted, the 2007 CMU team posted an inferior record at 7-4, but probably had more "quality" wins than the 2006 team thanks to a much tougher overall schedule).  And, despite that weak schedule and the sense that they controlled most games pretty handily, they weren't an "utterly dominant" team, struggling to beat WashU in overtime (admittedly starting an inexperienced sophomore QB after senior starter was injured at Case two weeks prior, but still) and notching close-ish games with Case (20-10) and Thiel (14-7).

There was a semi-serious debate going on throughout the season about whether this team would even get a playoff bid if they went undefeated because the first half of the schedule was so weak.  It wasn't quite as bad as it looked for awhile: WashU finished 6-4, Case ended up 5-5 after upsetting playoff team Washington & Lee in Week 11, and Thiel finished a respectable 5-5 team coming off a playoff season in 2005...but still, when those are the BEST teams that you've beaten, that's a pretty darned weak schedule.  The Tartans validated the playoff selection by posting a quality shutout win against Millsaps in round 1, but if I'm going to hammer that 2009 Case Western team and rank it below 8-win teams for lacking quality wins, this is only fair (the only real "quality" win CMU notched was probably the playoff win).  This was a steady but unspectacular team with two really good running backs, a deep and experienced offensive line, and a consistent defense that allowed just 82 points in the regular season and pitched a shutout in round 1 of the playoffs.  You'll probably never convince me that the 2008 Spartans would have beaten the 2006 Tartans, but I'm ranking them here.

1. 2008 Case Western (10-1, UAA champ, playoff berth, 416 PF, 153 PA, best wins: 45-14 vs. 6-4 Denison, 28-7 vs. 8-2 Wooster, playoff loss: 20-17 vs. Wabash in NCAA first round)

We can debate whether the Chamblee touchdown to beat CWRU was "fluky" or not, but this Case team probably had the best UAA quarterback of the era in question, a deep corps of WR's, maybe the best defense of the three undefeated Case teams (though the 2007 team had Tom Brew), it played a bit better schedule than 2006 CMU did, and it was more dominant than 2006 CMU, which was ultimately my tiebreaker.  These guys blew out everyone in the regular season; the closest games were a 38-24 win over Chicago (in which they held a double-digit lead the entire second half and led 38-17 until a late Chicago touchdown closed it to 38-24) and a 17-0 win over WashU in the finale.  They decisively beat an 8-2 Wooster team that finished second in the NCAC, a far better win than any regular-season win 2006 CMU accomplished.  As I pointed out, CMU had a handful of close, competitive games; Case blew everyone out until the playoffs.

It pains me, and I still would love a hypothetical game between the squads to settle it, but I'm giving this to 2008 Case Western, even over the two UAA teams that have actually won playoff games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on July 28, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
The CWR playoff loss to Wabash may have been a result of two fluky plays, if that's the way you want to characterize it.   
But like Wally, I don't like the word fluky to describe most plays, though the 2-pt conversion that resulted in the Wabash victory v. North Central may fit.  That play was not "designed" to end up the way it did.  The ball went through the hands of the intended receiver directly to another receiver who was behind him in the end zone.  Because the play was not designed to work the way it did, I'd call it a fluke.  By contrast, The Catch v. DPU on the last play of the Monon Bell game, was a designed play that Wabash had worked on all year for use in just such a situation.  However unlikely the result--the winning TD with no time on the clock, the final play of the game--it was designed to work the way it did and was perfectly executed.  Likewise, the two passes v. CWR, the first on fourth down that resulted in a first down, the second for a touchdown (similar or the same call by the way) were designed to  go down the middle of the field to a specific receiver, in both cases Chamblee.  From my side, the plays were not flukes but perfectly executed passes from an excellent QB (two-time offensive player of the year in the NCAC) to a shifty receiver, who could operate in the open field and who had good hands and superior speed. The first completion was hardly a surprise because CWR knew that Wabash had to throw the ball to gain the first down.  The second completion may have surprised the Case defensive backs, but it wasn't as though they had not seen the same play immediately before.  Two timely plays in a pressure situation v. a very good opponent--not fluky, but surely memorable.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 29, 2014, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: sigma one on July 28, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
That play was not "designed" to end up the way it did.  The ball went through the hands of the intended receiver directly to another receiver who was behind him in the end zone.  Because the play was not designed to work the way it did, I'd call it a fluke.

I like this definition of a "fluky" play. 

Good execution of a designed play and/or a big play resulting from an individual's skill in evading defenders...those are not a fluke.  Even plays like the famous Boise State hook-and-ladder and Statue of Liberty play, while surely considered a fluke by bitter Oklahoma fans, were designed and run to perfection.  Tricky, perhaps, but not fluky.

Things like an unintentional tipped ball (the Wabash-NCC play, or for a more recent example, Auburn's game-winning touchdown against Georgia last year, where a Georgia defensive back tipped it straight into an Auburn receiver's hands on a 4th and long) are what fall into the fluke category for me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on July 29, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
Borrowing another idea from the NCAC board: best individual players on each side of the ball for each UAA squad in the D3football.com era (1999-2013)?  I'm willing to name more than one per side & school if someone really merits a mention, but I'll try to limit to 2-3 tops (naturally, I have a few extras from CMU, being the team I am most familiar with - feel free to add your own "honorable mentions" if you have them).

CMU Offense: FB Travis Sivek (2004-2007), also considered: G Chad Zimmerman, G Nathan Cheek, QB Rob Kalkstein, RB Robert Gimson
CMU Defense: S Aaron Lewis (2003-2006), also considered: DL Michael Reggie, LB Jamie Ploetzner, DB Jon Scholl, DB Sam Thompson

CWRU Offense: QB Dan Whalen (2006-2009), also considered: none (there are other good players, especially a few of the WR's, but no one is even close)
CWRU Defense: LB Tom Brew (2004-2007), also considered: DL Dale English, LB Jeff Brown, DB Dan Calabrese

Chicago Offense: WR Dee Brizzolara (2008-2011), also considered: none (same comment as Whalen...I don't think anyone else is even close here)
Chicago Defense: DL Rob Tamillow (2002-2005), also considered: LB Gaby Fernandez, LB Schuyler Montefalco

WashU Offense: this is weird...but WashU is such a defense-dominated team that I can barely think of a memorably "dominant" offensive player since I've been following the UAA?  I'd have to go combing through some statistics.  Everybody else listed here came to mind pretty quickly without needing to look into the stats.

WashU Defense: DL Drew Wethington (2004-2007), although I think one of the guys on the current defense might take this honor eventually

I wanted to put a bit more research into this, haven't really had the time to adequately do it yet.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 29, 2014, 08:26:21 AM
CWRU O:  Whalen

CWRU D:  Brew

Seem pretty clear
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on July 31, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
Yeah, pretty easy answers for Case.

Gotta go with the two All-Americans!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 06, 2014, 06:27:10 AM
2014 Case Football Media Guide is out.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/files/cwru_football_inside_pages.pdf (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/files/cwru_football_inside_pages.pdf)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 14, 2014, 11:34:22 AM
Looks like Bavaro is back to kick this season after all.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/roster

Yesterday was pix and physicals.

https://twitter.com/caseathletics/status/499642924788088832/photo/1
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on August 18, 2014, 06:08:29 PM
Nice story about a neat tradition Coach Kindbom has for the upcoming seniors at WashU.  I am sure the other schools have similar traditions, but thought I would share this with everyone.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140818cmmv5v (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20140818cmmv5v)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 18, 2014, 10:00:22 PM
That's a great tradition.  Thanks for sharing.

+k
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 19, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Gang,

Well, I am now officially back from Afghanistan!  I'm on vacation in Houston for now, and will go back to work at the Pentagon in mid-September.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 19, 2014, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 19, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Gang,

Well, I am now officially back from Afghanistan!  I'm on vacation in Houston for now, and will go back to work at the Pentagon in mid-September.

Welcome back!  Thank you for your service.  I know I speak for everyone on this board when I say that we all appreciate our troops.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 19, 2014, 10:50:58 PM
Second that emotion
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 20, 2014, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 19, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Gang,

Well, I am now officially back from Afghanistan!  I'm on vacation in Houston for now, and will go back to work at the Pentagon in mid-September.

Glad that you have returned safe and sound.  Like the others I add my gratitude for your service.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 20, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 19, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Gang,

Well, I am now officially back from Afghanistan!  I'm on vacation in Houston for now, and will go back to work at the Pentagon in mid-September.

Welcome back home...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 20, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 19, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
Gang,

Well, I am now officially back from Afghanistan!  I'm on vacation in Houston for now, and will go back to work at the Pentagon in mid-September.

Another "glad you're back" and "thanks for your service" to add.

Will you be Stateside for awhile, even once returning to the Pentagon?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:11 PM
I'm supposed to have a 3 year tour at the Pentagon, so I should be home for awhile.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 20, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:11 PM
I'm supposed to have a 3 year tour at the Pentagon, so I should be home for awhile.

Ditto...welcome back home as well as to the boards and a sincere thank you for your service to all of us/our country,
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 23, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
From info in the CWRU Media Guide, CMU describes its offense as "Multiple One-Back."  Although Coach Lackner's comments at PAC Media Day referred to the wing-T saying: "We'll obviously maintain some of that offensive scheme."
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 23, 2014, 12:04:28 PM
I am standing at CMU practice right now, and would basically confirm that description of "multiple one back" offense. Lots of shotgun. Mostly one back, three wideout sets.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 23, 2014, 02:43:37 PM
I see Reinertsen is now listed at WR not RB.  So I suppose he, Swanson, and Herrera would be the first line wideouts.

Hearon or Englert looking like #1 QB?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 25, 2014, 04:46:58 PM
Finally the long awaited new UAA site is up.

http://uaasports.info/landing/index
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 26, 2014, 07:59:08 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 25, 2014, 04:46:58 PM
Finally the long awaited new UAA site is up.

http://uaasports.info/landing/index

Very nice!!!

I love the additional stats, records, etc.  Much easier to learn about UAA football history :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
On the downside, the All-UAA football no longer lists positions or class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 26, 2014, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 26, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
On the downside, the All-UAA football no longer lists positions or class.

Did it ever?  I seem to remember the all-UAA team always just listing off the guys alphabetically with their schools, but no position or class.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
It did.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/files/FB-All-UAA-2013.pdf

Here's Chicago's Preview.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201408122jkspr

Will be able to compare with Kickoff, that I'm going to now.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 26, 2014, 05:45:04 PM
Nice website!!!

But I have a question.

This website suggests that, with NYU beginning varsity baseball competition again, the UAA now has SEVEN baseball playing schools.

http://uaasports.info/sports/bsb/index (http://uaasports.info/sports/bsb/index)

If that is correct, then does the UAA baseball champion now qualify for an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney?

Please let me know!  Thanks!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on August 26, 2014, 05:46:11 PM
Oh wait. 

I guess Chicago doesn't compete in the UAA for baseball, even though they field a team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 26, 2014, 07:51:28 PM
I thought we hashed this out some time ago when UAA Lax was brought up.  And I wished for CMU to add baseball.

Chicago's spring break isn't conducive to the Florida tournament. Distance and potential rainouts could make playing two games with each school later in the season a bit of a problem.

I can't reveal more, but expect a radical departure in CWRU's home uniforms.  And I believe two seniors will be wearing different numbers this year. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 27, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Four CWRU students killed in plane crash.

Three were members of the wrestling team.

Prayers for their families and friends.

http://cwru-daily.com/news/a-tragic-loss/
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on August 27, 2014, 01:51:26 PM
It must be horrifying for the brand new students to be away from home for the first time and have to face the death of classmates.  I am so sorry for the families of these students.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on August 27, 2014, 05:28:07 PM
Terrible news at CWRU

On a more optimistic note, the UAA pre-season projections came out today.

http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason (http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Quote from: BearFan on August 27, 2014, 05:28:07 PM
Terrible news at CWRU

On a more optimistic note, the UAA pre-season projections came out today.

http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason (http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason)

WashU is definitely the favorite.  Experience on offense + a handful of starts back from that superb defense = favored status.

I kind of like Chicago, too, if they can find a QB - their defense was pretty darn stout last year as well.  With a bunch of guys back, I expect more good defense from the Maroons.

With all due respect to the fine run from 2007-2011 under Coach Debeljak, I don't know that Case will approach those heights again.  It's hard to say that the wheels have fallen off when the last two seasons have still been "winning seasons" but the Spartans are not nearly what they were three years ago. 

Hard to know what to make of CMU this year.  Coming off a 6-5 season in 2012 that included a hot start and an ECAC bowl game, I expected big things with a fourth-year starter at QB, two top WR's, an experienced OL...and we had a total "thud" of a 3-7 season (although the record wasn't REALLY as bad as it looked; the three UAA losses came by a total of 7 points).  Fairly light on experience, especially on the lines...but I will say that the best season in my four years (2006) was probably the one with the lowest expectations, coming off a 5-5 season with only a handful of starters back on each side of the ball, we went 11-1.  So who knows.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 27, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Quote from: BearFan on August 27, 2014, 05:28:07 PM
Terrible news at CWRU

On a more optimistic note, the UAA pre-season projections came out today.

http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason (http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/uaapreseason)

WashU is definitely the favorite.  Experience on offense + a handful of starts back from that superb defense = favored status.

I kind of like Chicago, too, if they can find a QB - their defense was pretty darn stout last year as well.  With a bunch of guys back, I expect more good defense from the Maroons.

With all due respect to the fine run from 2007-2011 under Coach Debeljak, I don't know that Case will approach those heights again.  It's hard to say that the wheels have fallen off when the last two seasons have still been "winning seasons" but the Spartans are not nearly what they were three years ago. 

Hard to know what to make of CMU this year.  Coming off a 6-5 season in 2012 that included a hot start and an ECAC bowl game, I expected big things with a fourth-year starter at QB, two top WR's, an experienced OL...and we had a total "thud" of a 3-7 season (although the record wasn't REALLY as bad as it looked; the three UAA losses came by a total of 7 points).  Fairly light on experience, especially on the lines...but I will say that the best season in my four years (2006) was probably the one with the lowest expectations, coming off a 5-5 season with only a handful of starters back on each side of the ball, we went 11-1.  So who knows.

Great season...then came the boom from Wesley. They had a nice defensive end that year, right?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2014, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on August 27, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Hard to know what to make of CMU this year.  Coming off a 6-5 season in 2012 that included a hot start and an ECAC bowl game, I expected big things with a fourth-year starter at QB, two top WR's, an experienced OL...and we had a total "thud" of a 3-7 season (although the record wasn't REALLY as bad as it looked; the three UAA losses came by a total of 7 points).  Fairly light on experience, especially on the lines...but I will say that the best season in my four years (2006) was probably the one with the lowest expectations, coming off a 5-5 season with only a handful of starters back on each side of the ball, we went 11-1.  So who knows.

Great season...then came the boom from Wesley. They had a nice defensive end that year, right?

They sure did...I still haven't blocked him :P
Title: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on August 30, 2014, 12:42:47 PM
Did anyone attend the Case - Baldwin scrimmage today?  Any news?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2014, 01:45:15 PM
Unfortunately I wasn't able to attend
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: OWU-90 on September 01, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
The scrimmage was surprising.  Case started rather slowly and vanilla-like on both sides of the ball.  Probably to be expected in a scrimmage.  As it progressed Case just got better and better on both sides of the ball,  and by the end looked very confident, and was dominating BW.  When I left it was 42-10 Case.  The defense had 3 pick sixes by three different players.  The kicking game was solid, definite upgrade in the punt game and in QB play.

The defense was good as was expected.  Even with Suren out for at least the first three games (shoulder surgery) the defensive backfield shined. 

Offensive line lacks experience but not talent.  I would like to have seen a long, time-consuming drive, but the offense did produce some big play scoring which certainly is exciting.

Can't wait til Saturday night.  It seems as if last year's game vs CMU just ended.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 01, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
Thanks for the update.  I am looking forward to the game.

Quote from: OWU-90 on September 01, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
The scrimmage was surprising.  Case started rather slowly and vanilla-like on both sides of the ball.  Probably to be expected in a scrimmage.  As it progressed Case just got better and better on both sides of the ball,  and by the end looked very confident, and was dominating BW.  When I left it was 42-10 Case.  The defense had 3 pick sixes by three different players.  The kicking game was solid, definite upgrade in the punt game and in QB play.

The defense was good as was expected.  Even with Suren out for at least the first three games (shoulder surgery) the defensive backfield shined. 

Offensive line lacks experience but not talent.  I would like to have seen a long, time-consuming drive, but the offense did produce some big play scoring which certainly is exciting.

Can't wait til Saturday night.  It seems as if last year's game vs CMU just ended.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 01, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Thanks for the update.  I am optimistic since BW is ranked much higher than CWRU.  I am looking forward to the game.  I hope some of you will be there!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2014, 11:24:58 AM
Welcome OWU-90

Thanks for the update.

What's your connection to CWRU?

I believe Sandidge isn't 100% either, probably won't start this week.

Since BW doesn't open till week 2, I don't think they've had as many practices as CWRU.

Good news about the secondary, it performed poorly in last year's scrimmage.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 02, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: OWU-90 on September 01, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
The scrimmage was surprising.  Case started rather slowly and vanilla-like on both sides of the ball.  Probably to be expected in a scrimmage.  As it progressed Case just got better and better on both sides of the ball,  and by the end looked very confident, and was dominating BW.  When I left it was 42-10 Case.  The defense had 3 pick sixes by three different players.  The kicking game was solid, definite upgrade in the punt game and in QB play.

The defense was good as was expected.  Even with Suren out for at least the first three games (shoulder surgery) the defensive backfield shined. 

Offensive line lacks experience but not talent.  I would like to have seen a long, time-consuming drive, but the offense did produce some big play scoring which certainly is exciting.

Can't wait til Saturday night.  It seems as if last year's game vs CMU just ended.

Wow.  Impressive.  Good for CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 02, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
Academic Bowl

http://static.psbin.com/g/j/652rz9hs7v6eb8/fb_cmu_games_notes14.pdf

CMU going with two frosh QBs.

2 frosh starters for CWRU  11 in all of the 44 on the two deep
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 02, 2014, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 02, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
Academic Bowl

http://static.psbin.com/g/j/652rz9hs7v6eb8/fb_cmu_games_notes14.pdf

CMU going with two frosh QBs.

2 frosh starters for CWRU  11 in all of the 44 on the two deep

Manny Sicre is still in college?! I kid, but when you've got a guy that's been a contributor since his freshman year, sometimes it feels like he's been on the team for about seven years.

Both teams are young. Not a bad thing - the experience this year should serve them well for next season. CMU has some good young talent, especially on offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 03, 2014, 08:44:47 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 02, 2014, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 02, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
Academic Bowl

http://static.psbin.com/g/j/652rz9hs7v6eb8/fb_cmu_games_notes14.pdf

CMU going with two frosh QBs.

2 frosh starters for CWRU  11 in all of the 44 on the two deep

Manny Sicre is still in college?! I kid, but when you've got a guy that's been a contributor since his freshman year, sometimes it feels like he's been on the team for about seven years.

Both teams are young. Not a bad thing - the experience this year should serve them well for next season. CMU has some good young talent, especially on offense.

Lapcevic is starting for the fourth year as well.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2014, 11:41:38 AM
Last time CMU started a freshman (he became their all-time passing leader) at QB vs CWRU was 2010.  28-0 CWRU.  Kalkstein 7-14-35 yds 2 int

Wondering if it makes sense to move this board to South, maybe even combine with PAC. That board is even quieter than this and this is 98% CWRU and CMU anyway.

That would give me less temptation to peak at the Waba, errr, NCAC board.  ; )
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 04, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 04, 2014, 11:41:38 AM
Last time CMU started a freshman (he became their all-time passing leader) at QB vs CWRU was 2010.  28-0 CWRU.  Kalkstein 7-14-35 yds 2 int

Wondering if it makes sense to move this board to South, maybe even combine with PAC. That board is even quieter than this and this is 98% CWRU and CMU anyway.

I check both, so any conversation re: CWRU and/or CMU, I'll see it anyway.

I'm a bit surprised at the freshmen QB's for CMU on the two-deep; the junior on the roster, Andrew Hearon, looked decent in his lone start last year.  With CMU changing the offense, the usual "upperclassman advantage" of knowing the system was out the window, so perhaps he was just beaten out by two more talented guys, although an injury is also a possibility.  CMU does have some nice skill-position talent at RB and WR (Witt, Cree, Swanson, Reinertsen, and Herrera all have some experience with the ball in their hands and each broke a big play or two last year).  Even with a freshman QB and an inexperienced OL, I think they'll score some points in most games if they can get the ball to those guys with a little space to move.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 04, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
New uniforms honor M. Frank Rudy inventor of Nike's Air Sole (CIT '50)

http://thedaily.case.edu/news/?p=31714

BTW those are the homes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 04, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
Nice unis!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 05, 2014, 10:01:07 AM
Any predictions for this week's Academic Bowl?  I'm picking CWRU by 1 or 2 touchdowns.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
A lot is unknown.  CMU has new offense and new QB, freshman starting his first game.  CMU had 382 yds passing last year, but Kalkstein is gone.  Spartan secondary seems much improved based on scrimmage report.

CWRU by 10?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 05, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 05, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
A lot is unknown.  CMU has new offense and new QB, freshman starting his first game.  CMU had 382 yds passing last year, but Kalkstein is gone.  Spartan secondary seems much improved based on scrimmage report.

CWRU by 10?

Well....

I expected CMU to be pretty good last year (solid 4th-year starter at QB, two good deep threats at WR, experienced O-Line, and an experienced defense returning from a should-have-been-better 6-5 team that was a few plays away from winning eight or nine games).  We went 3-7 and weren't really all that competitive in several losses (although the UAA games were all toss-ups), so even with a couple breaks on our side, we were a .500-caliber team at best.  Now we graduated a whole bunch of those guys.  Is that good?  Bad?  I don't really know.  Our best season of late, 2006, came on the heels of a 5-5 season where we graduated a bunch of starters and didn't really look primed for greatness, so maybe we'll recapture the magic.

We're starting a freshman at QB, which means that either a) the returning junior (who started one game last year and looked okay) is injured, b) the incoming freshman is a stud, or c) we have no good solution at quarterback, period.  We have one really nice RB, Witt, who ran for 431 yards as a sophomore, and another kid, Reinertsen, who made plays whenever he got the ball last year but was an awkward fit at RB in the wing-T (too tall and lanky, he has better vertical speed than shiftiness).  He caught 17 passes last year, and we have two other WR's (Swanson and Herrera) with good speed who caught some balls last year (26 and 15, respectively).  So we have a couple dudes that can do things with the ball in their hands.  Whether the QB can get them the ball, our OL is any good, or our defense can stop anyone...I have no idea.

CWRU is by far the more experienced side with Beecher, Sicre, Lapcevic, Darany on offense all being multiyear contributors.  CWRU defense has no seniors on the two-deep (?!) but plenty of dudes that played last year and a freshman safety that might be a stud (if they're trusting him to return kicks and start at safety in his first game...and he's from a pretty traditionally good program).  Maybe I'm just being pessimistic about CMU this year, but I'd trust CWRU much more in this one than CMU.  I want nothing more than for both schools to come in and run roughshod over the PAC, but I expect both to be floating in the middle-upper part of the conference this year, CMU maybe struggling a bit more if they're not improved from last season (we were a bit Jekyll-and-Hyde last year...capable of taking WashU to the edge, but also losing to so-so teams like Grove City, Catholic, and Westminster).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2014, 01:06:50 PM
That safety played in the Ohio allstar game and supposedly had an offer from Yale.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
Is football overemphasized at CWRU?

Hardly, earlier in the week a player tweeted that they had to share practice field with ultimate Frisbee!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 06, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
Lopsided win to start the season, but CMU is really struggling with its new offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 06, 2014, 11:01:52 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 06, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
Lopsided win to start the season, but CMU is really struggling with its new offense.

That'll happen when you start a freshman QB with a brand new offense and few upperclassmen overall. I actually thought the offense showed a few encouraging signs, althoigh we have to be able to run it a little better.  CWRU is the better side, of course, but I saw some nice things on the CMU side (I had fairly low expectations for this season).

I think CWRU has to be pleased with Beecher and the offense.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 06, 2014, 11:58:29 PM
Spartans exceeded my expectations.

Beecher threw very well. Result of being unquestioned #1.  No worries about backup for Sicre, Bianco was exceptional (ok was against tired D...but largely w 2s on OL).

D adjusted after first series and dominated.  CMU's QB missed several open men.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on September 07, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
Extremely impressed with yesterday's 30-0 victory by CWRU.  The offense was fun to watch and the defense showed a very solid "bend but not break" type of play.  Case has some athletes on both sides of the ball. 

Dare I say -- it's time to return to the former glory of 2007-2009?  Stay hungry Case. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 08, 2014, 10:55:23 AM
I'd be happy with 2010.

With two top 30 teams on the schedule, this is by far a tougher schedule than during those glory years.

What impressed me most about the D was the three straight three-and-outs to start the second half, after CMU had a 63 yard drive at the end of the first half.

Over half of CMU's yards came on the first and last possessions of the first half.

On O didn't expect throwing nearly 40 times.  Big props to the O line which didn't give up a sack despite three first-time starters.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on September 08, 2014, 01:15:31 PM
Tough start for the Bears against a good Ohio Northern team.  Went up 17-0 early in 2nd quarter and then ONU scored 31 straight.  A couple long pass plays (1 was a short pass that turned into a long touchdown) started things rolling then they turned it over to their big running back and controlled thing on the ground after that.  Impressive showing by the new WashU quarterback - looked very solid and composed.  Defense struggled to stop the run in the second half.  Don't know that it would have made a difference, but they apparently lost their starting free safety (captain) for the year to injury in the last preseason scrimmage.  Tough one this week in Memphis against Rhodes.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 08, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
Thanks for dropping by, BearFan.  I know WashU lost some studs from that defense, but I'm still surprised they couldn't hold a 17-point lead (I don't mean this as an insult, more of a "Wow, their defense was really fantastic last year, I didn't think anyone could run up 31 unanswered on them").  Good news that their QB played well - they will need a bit more from the offense this year than they got last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 08, 2014, 04:12:13 PM
For Case I was impressed with Beecher's arm and accuracy, who knew based on past years? Oline impressive as well. Good bunch of receivers to throw to. Offensive negatives were Sicre injury, looked to me like he took a helmet to his knee, and what I perceive as predictable play calling. Spread formation with no running back = QB draw every time. Case defense was very good, as it has been for many seasons now. Would expect the team to go into the meat of the PAC schedule with some confidence if they build on this game.

CMU freshman QB will be a good one I think, just needs more game reps. They have at least 1 very good receiver.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 11, 2014, 11:25:12 AM
Neat CMU story in Around the Region this week.

http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2014/the-littlest-tartan

Good luck to WashU and Chicago this week.  Would love to see Chicago build on the momentum from a nice season last year, but they've got a tough schedule ahead...I didn't notice they were playing Bethel until just now; I know that WashU opened with Mount and UWW a couple of times, but besides those games, that's as tough an OOC game as any UAA team has played in recent memory.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
And they go to Trinity as well, which Kickoff had a #38, before they lost to Howard Payne.

Their Trinity, Bethel, and WUStL stretch rivals CWRU's W&J, WUStL, TMC stretch as among the toughest three game stretch in D3 this season.

CWRU's are all on the road though.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 11, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
And they go to Trinity as well, which Kickoff had a #38, before they lost to Howard Payne.

Their Trinity, Bethel, and WUStL stretch rivals CWRU's W&J, WUStL, TMC stretch as the toughest three game stretch in D3 this season.

CWRU's are all on the road though.

Toughest stretch in D3? I think not. That belongs to UW-LaCrosse. St. Thomas, UMHB, UWW. If you include non-D3 games you have to look at Louisiana College. Huntingdon (home), Alcorn St (away), TLU (home), Bacone (away), Wesley (away), UMHB (away). 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 11, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 11, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
And they go to Trinity as well, which Kickoff had a #38, before they lost to Howard Payne.

Their Trinity, Bethel, and WUStL stretch rivals CWRU's W&J, WUStL, TMC stretch as the toughest three game stretch in D3 this season.

CWRU's are all on the road though.

OK, let's get a couple of things straight.

1. Trinity is not that good and that #38 Kickoff ranking is, with all respect to the gurus that compile Kickoff, an extremely generous one. For some reason, the Tigers are living on a reputation as a national power that's about six years past its expiration date.  Trinity was 5-5 last year, last had a really good season in 2011 (which ended with a first-round playoff loss at home vs. McMurry, who was bounced in the next round), and has not won a playoff game since 2002.  Part of that is bad luck from being located in Texas and playing UMHB in the first round a couple times, yes, but they have long since ceased to be relevant on the national scene.  Trinity is no more of a nationally relevant program than WashU or Case at this point, and as much as I love our UAA schools, neither of them is going to make someone say "Sheesh, what a brutal three-game stretch that is!"

2. I think that "toughest three game stretch in D3" was a bit of hyperbole.  Those are two relatively-tough three-game stretches for the UAA schools, but...

Trinity: 5-5 last year, lost to Howard Payne in Week 1
Bethel: 12-1 last year, quarterfinals
WashU: 8-3, first-round playoff loss

(the presence of Trinity here really disqualifies this as a "really tough" three game stretch - plenty of teams play two really good teams back to back)

vs.

W & J: 8-3, first-round playoff loss
WashU: 8-3, first-round playoff loss
TMC: 9-1, didn't make playoffs

Nice, but...

vs.

UST: 8-2 in a top-three conference with the losses by a combined 9 points
UMHB: 13-1, lost to UWW by one point
UWW: 15-0, Stagg Bowl champions
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2014, 04:19:39 PM
Yes but those teams (Save LC vs Alcorn) are all playing opponents of similar caliber.

I meant to say among.  As I have now edited.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 19, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
What's happened to WUStL's D? 

I know there were significant graduation losses and Bednar hasn't played due to injury, but they've given up 77 points in the first two games.

DC Jim Ryan's commentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJgzF16tCO8
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 19, 2014, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 19, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
What's happened to WUStL's D? 

I know there were significant graduation losses and Bednar hasn't played due to injury, but they've given up 77 points in the first two games.

Kinda wondering the same.  There were graduation losses, but I thought they did still return 5 or 6 starters, it's not like everyone left.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 19, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
Returning starters, Jr CB Marting and Sr LB Oluokun were first team UAA and So DE Novak was second team.  But I believe they are the only returning starters playing this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 19, 2014, 02:07:41 PM
Two defensive starters are injured. Graduation of Nelson Nwumeh has been very tough to overcome, along with the graduation of Tate Byers, Andrew Skalman, Seth Wight, and Peter Lowery.  The losses span the DL, LB, and DB corps.

Ohio Northern had 10 offensive starters back, and its switch to an option approach gave the Bears fits.  Last week at Rhodes, Murphy's Law reigned with self-inflicted mishaps in all phases of the game.  Hopefully WashU regains traction tomorrow.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2014, 03:54:15 PM
Very disappointing performance.  St. Vincent was on something like a 22 game losing streak.  We'd better bounce back, or this could be a rough season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: casefldad on September 20, 2014, 06:31:14 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 20, 2014, 03:54:15 PM
Very disappointing performance.  St. Vincent was on something like a 22 game losing streak.  We'd better bounce back, or this could be a rough season.

I believe that they had lost 23 in a row.  I saw parts of the game, connection was terrible but Case was not consistent and allowed their passer to considerably improve his game over their first two games.
We do need to 'bounce back'.  Hopefully none of the kids were injured...  Need to stay positive, BUT extremely disappointing, especially after the 1st week's solid victory.....
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 20, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Props to SVC

Spartans dealing with some adversity.

On O:  Sicre DNP (although Bianco averaged just under 4 ypc)  Left side of line reconfigured with freshman getting first start at LT.  Lapcevic wasn't seen after early in the 2nd Qtr.

On D:  Dishong DNP  Sandidge was in only 1 series in 2nd half  I don't think J Williams was in at all in second half  Sandidge's replacement wasn't even on the two-deep
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: BearFan on September 22, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 19, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
Returning starters, Jr CB Marting and Sr LB Oluokun were first team UAA and So DE Novak was second team.  But I believe they are the only returning starters playing this season.

That is pretty accurate.  Bednar is apparently out for the season and the other returning starter Cody Deterding missed the last two games with an injury - not sure on his expected return.  Several freshman and sophomores seeing significant playing time.  Have to hope those players mature as the season goes on.  Played better this past weekend against North Park, but I don't think North Park was the same caliber of offensive team as ONU and Rhodes.  Centre will be a big challenge this weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 23, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 20, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Props to SVC

Spartans dealing with some adversity.

On O:  Sicre DNP (although Bianco averaged just under 4 ypc)  Left side of line reconfigured with freshman getting first start at LT.  Lapcevic wasn't seen after early in the 2nd Qtr.

On D:  Dishong DNP  Sandidge was in only 1 series in 2nd half  I don't think J Williams was in at all in second half  Sandidge's replacement wasn't even on the two-deep

Dishong and Sandidge will be back.  Williams is out for the season. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2014, 01:09:21 PM
Have not really had time to read/post until now,

Very disappointing loss for CWRU.  Not much to add above what's already been said.

CMU, after getting soundly beaten by CWRU in Week 1, had a somewhat encouraging performance in Week 2 against W & J.  They never really threatened to win the game but the offense found more traction with Hearon at QB.  Nice to get a little momentum with a slate of winnable games ahead.  CMU really drew the soft underbelly of the PAC in Year 1 (with no Thomas More and no Waynesburg, they're not playing two of the three best teams in the league).

WashU got on the board with a win against North Park.  NPU is a hard team to figure; they showed a lot of progress at the end of last season but the early-season loss to MIAA cellar-dweller Alma makes that progress seem a bit questionable...the best thing for WashU about that game is that they have a win on the board.

Chicago is 3-0 and has looked pretty good defensively.  Yes, I know they were 3-0 against the same schedule last year at this time...but still, they're the UAA's great hope right now, given everyone else's early struggles.  The Maroons could be a Pool B sleeper if they can win a couple more games leading into that Bethel matchup, with the rest of the UAA flagging a little bit.  Will they be a year early on the "Chicago-wins-the-league-every-five-years" schedule?  They won in 2000, 2005, 2010.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on September 23, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 20, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Props to SVC

Spartans dealing with some adversity.

On O:  Sicre DNP (although Bianco averaged just under 4 ypc)  Left side of line reconfigured with freshman getting first start at LT.  Lapcevic wasn't seen after early in the 2nd Qtr.

On D:  Dishong DNP  Sandidge was in only 1 series in 2nd half  I don't think J Williams was in at all in second half  Sandidge's replacement wasn't even on the two-deep

Dishong and Sandidge will be back.  Williams is out for the season.

FWIW Dishong wasn't on the two-deep updated yesterday.  But status could change by Saturday.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 25, 2014, 05:52:03 AM
Dis is gonna be KEWL!!!!

http://cwru-daily.com/news/wyant-athletic-and-wellness-center-to-be-dedicated-oct-9/ (http://cwru-daily.com/news/wyant-athletic-and-wellness-center-to-be-dedicated-oct-9/)

QUOTE: As part of the North Campus Residential Village and Athletic Complex, the three-level facility will include a 4,200-square-foot cardio workout facility; a 2,500-square-foot Varsity Club with a balcony overlooking the football field and track; and the 4,500-square-foot Belichick Weight Room, which was gifted by New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick in honor of his father, Steve, a 1941 graduate of Western Reserve University.[/i]
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
I'm glad to see us bounce back against Thiel, not that they're a world-beater by any means.

Our defense carried us with timely interceptions.  We did get a couple of big plays on offense, and we had a nice final drive, but we often killed promising possessions with costly penalties.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ohiofan1954 on October 05, 2014, 09:54:26 AM
the Bethany-Case game has to be one of the ugliest games I have ever seen. Thank goodness CWRU is one of the nicest places to watch a game there is.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 06, 2014, 12:47:51 PM
Well, it's been a very up-and-down start for the UAA.  Let's power rank the teams as of today:

1. Chicago (4-0): the Maroons are undefeated and getting top 25 votes!  That win over a 4-0 Rhodes team that went 8-2 last year is the biggest for the Maroons in several seasons, and was crucially needed to keep them alive for potential playoff contention with a game vs. Bethel still looming.  The Maroons had better not get carried away, but there's potential here to take advantage of a down season around the league...if the Maroons were to qualify for the playoffs, that would mean all 4 UAA teams would have made it in a nine-year span (CMU 2006, CWRU 2007, 2008, 2009, WashU 2013).  Keep winning, dudes.

After that...toss'em in a hat. 

Case Western is 2-2 and beat CMU 30-0 in the opener so I guess they've got to be #2, but losses to St. Vincent and Bethany usually would not exactly portend a conference contender.

WashU is 1-4, and while the tough-schedule excuse might have flown for the first month of the season (losses to ONU, Rhodes, and Centre, all "pretty good" type teams), this week they became the victim in the first win in Berry history.  Ugh.

Carnegie Mellon is 2-2 with the big loss to Case and two squeaker-wins in the last two weeks against mediocre opposition.  The Tartans do have a lot to be excited about in pulling out those two wins, but make no mistake, this is a very average team.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 09, 2014, 12:56:31 PM
ADL70,

By chance are you going to homecoming?  The reason I ask is because I am trying to get leave approved for that weekend, and if I can, then I'll be heading up to Cleveland to see my first CWRU football game in person in 22 years.

It'll also be fun to see the new athletic facility/weight room, the new Tinkham Veale Center, and the new performing arts center.

Let me know if you'll be there so that we can hang out and together cheer on the Spartans at DiSanto!

A-HOO!!!  A-HOO!!!  A-HOO!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 09, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Gang,

Over on the NCAC board, there was a very interesting conversation comparing/rating the football venues in the conference.

I can't claim to have seen any of the venues in the UAA other than CWRU's.  Can someone who has seen them all rank them from best to worse, and provide a short description of each venue's quirks?  Thanks!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2014, 07:38:40 AM
Gang,

Here's a very interesting video by Patriots Coach Bill Belichik, congratulating CWRU on the completion of its new Field House and Wellness Center, which includes a weight room he funded and which is named after his Dad (a former Western Reserve assistant).

http://athletics.case.edu/video/belichick_wyant_fieldhouse (http://athletics.case.edu/video/belichick_wyant_fieldhouse)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2014, 12:10:25 PM
WOW!!!!

The news just keeps getting BETTER!!!!

A $2 million donation has just been received to help Case build a 15,000 square foot indoor practice facility with artificial turf.  This, on top of the newly opened Wyant Field House/Belichik weight room.

Looks like CWRU may soon have among the very best athletic facilities in all of NCAA Division III!!!

GO SPARTANS!!!

http://cwru-daily.com/news/at-wyant-athletic-and-wellness-center-dedication-namesake-commits-5-million-more-to-cwru/ (http://cwru-daily.com/news/at-wyant-athletic-and-wellness-center-dedication-namesake-commits-5-million-more-to-cwru/)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 11, 2014, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on October 10, 2014, 07:38:40 AM
Gang,

Here's a very interesting video by Patriots Coach Bill Belichik, congratulating CWRU on the completion of its new Field House and Wellness Center, which includes a weight room he funded and which is named after his Dad (a former Western Reserve assistant).

http://athletics.case.edu/video/belichick_wyant_fieldhouse (http://athletics.case.edu/video/belichick_wyant_fieldhouse)

I don't believe Steve Belichik coached at Western Resrve.  He did play on the WRU Sun Bowl team and after graduating in 1940 followed WRU coach Bill Ewards to the Detroit Lions.  After serving in WWII, he began his coaching career at Hiram.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 11, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
ADL70,

OK, I think that's right.

So he played on the ONE bowl team in CWRU history?  Interesting!

Anyway, are you going to the homecoming game?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 11, 2014, 04:11:55 PM
Dang Wished I would have went to Wash U ... 58-13 in the 3rd   Go Bears
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 11, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
Wash-U played with a confidence that had not been present since the first quarter of the Ohio Northern game.  After losing a 17-0 1st quarter lead in that game, and losing the game altogether, the Bears appeared to have been largely looking over their shoulders to see what misfortune would befall them next.  That snowballed to a 1-4 start, but today were dominant in all three phases of the game:  offense, defense, and special teams.  Wash-U led 24-0 at the end of the 1st quarter, and 45-7 at halftime. 

At game's end, WashU had a total offense edge of 457-309, the defense forced 4 turnovers and held Hendrix to 1 TD (Steve Crenshaw had 4 FGs), and the special teams crew scored TDs on a 45-yard punt return, a 62-yard fake punt pass, and a blocked punt recovered in the Hendrix end zone.

Granted, Hendrix played without starting QB Seth Peters--who was injured in last week's game.  But, Wash-U probably would've won by 3 TDs anyway, even if Peters played.  That's how focused the entire team was today.

If the Bears can replicate today's effort, they could give Chicago a great game in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 12, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
Thanks for chiming in, WashU fans.

I am impressed by the Bears demolition of 4-0 Hendrix a week after losing to Berry. Puzzled, but impressed. A very cathartic win for WashU.

Catching up on all the D3 scores now after spending yesterday tailgating and attending PSU-Michigan. Got up and caught an early workout this morning and now riding in the backseat of a car on the way back to Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 12, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
Congrats to Chicago on moving to 5-0. Not much offense but they're following last year's WashU formula. If they can post a strong showing against Bethel next weekend (win or lose), they'll stay in the playoff conversation. I'm not sure they have the offense, but I thought the same about WashU last year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 16, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
I will be in Cleveland for this weekend's game.  The parents will be on the roof of the parking garage.  I hope to see some of you there.  Feel free to come up and have a drink and some food!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 16, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
I'm meeting  Dagarman at 12:30, I can come up till about 1.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 18, 2014, 09:46:11 AM
I would love to meet Dagerman also!  I think I need some whiskey to keep me warm.  It's cold out there!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
FYI, the Maranatha Baptist/Wash-U game scheduled for today at Wash-U has been cancelled.  MB called earlier this week to report that it only had 22 healthy players left on its roster (which only had 28 listed on the MB website to begin with).

Since it now has an unscheduled bye week, Wash-U may try to schedule a game during its originally-scheduled bye Saturday on November 8.  As it stands now, the Bears will have a 9-game season instead of 10 games.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 07:50:51 PM
UAA Update:

Carnegie Mellon 21, Grove City 10...Tartan RB Sam Benger 19 carries for 139 yards, leads team to 203 yards on the ground and 3 rushing TDs.  Grove City held to 265 yards total offense in the loss.

Case Western Reserve 33, Geneva 19...Geneva scored first for a 7-0 lead, then Case scored the next 26 to keep Geneva at arm's length.  Spartan QB Billy Beecher 1 rushing TD, 1 passing TD; RB Anthony Canganelli 41-yard TD run with 2:13 left in the game to ice the victory.

Bethel 52, Chicago 21...Very tough game for the Maroons against #11 Bethel, whose QB Eric Pederson was 19 of 23 passing for 320 yards, 5 TDs and only 1 INT.  Bethel had a total offense edge of 455-391 yards.  Chicago QB Patrick Ryan was 9 for 19 and 202 yards, with 2 TDs.  Chandler Carroll had 154 yards rushing and a TD for the Maroons.

WashU vs. Maranatha Baptist cancelled...hard to say if the Bears get a huge break with the unexpected bye, heading into next week's game at Chicago.  I guess if the Maroons suffered several injuries, WashU would stand to get an advantage--especially if it can play nearly as well as it did against Hendrix.  Bears will need to have some success running the ball against a good Chicago defense to position themselves for a road win to begin UAA play next Saturday, and stay away from drive-killing penalties.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 19, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
Very nice summary, jaybird.

Second time I've seen CMU play this season (2-0 in games that I have attended). They're still a rather "soft" 3-3, given who the wins have come against, but I was very encouraged by CMU's performance, even if it came against a winless Grove City team. Freshman RB Benger provided a spark that the offense had not shown to date. CMU's got some nice pieces at WR and RB now. If the young OL keeps improving, that offense could get much better next year with so many young ball handlers returning.

Chicago gave a semi respectable account of themselves against Bethel, even with the lopsided final score. I still view them as the UAA favorite. But the other 3 schools have shown enough to make me think it's up in the air.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 19, 2014, 11:29:00 AM
Since each of the UAA teams know each other so well, I think it will come down to who does something out of the ordinary and is successful with it?  Who puts a different wrinkle on a personnel package or formation that could lead to a score or an important first down late in the game?

Upon further review and thought, I think the unexpected bye will help the Wash-U defense get a little healthier and stronger for next week's game at Chicago.  The Bears' defense will have to be able to get enough stops to help the improved offense stay one step ahead of the Maroons.  Chicago's nearly 400-yard total offense performance against #11 Bethel gives me cause for significant concern...
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2014, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
FYI, the Maranatha Baptist/Wash-U game scheduled for today at Wash-U has been cancelled.  MB called earlier this week to report that it only had 22 healthy players left on its roster (which only had 28 listed on the MB website to begin with).

Since it now has an unscheduled bye week, Wash-U may try to schedule a game during its originally-scheduled bye Saturday on November 8.  As it stands now, the Bears will have a 9-game season instead of 10 games.

Some uncommon, yet interesting scenarios this year with Chicago and Wash U both having games cancelled, leaving them with 9 games instead of 10.  Who might you think that Wash U would or could schedule i.e. do you know who has open dates for that Nov 8th Sat?  Also, would they prefer to really schedule the 10th game if it was feasible (both economically, travel distance) or rather just leave it as it is?  Your thoughts?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on October 19, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
FYI, the Maranatha Baptist/Wash-U game scheduled for today at Wash-U has been cancelled.  MB called earlier this week to report that it only had 22 healthy players left on its roster (which only had 28 listed on the MB website to begin with).

Since it now has an unscheduled bye week, Wash-U may try to schedule a game during its originally-scheduled bye Saturday on November 8.  As it stands now, the Bears will have a 9-game season instead of 10 games.

A small high school roster size for a college team. Sadly I think going independent for football wasn't the right choice for them especially with a consistently small roster size. I wonder how much longer untill they pull the plug on their season because this wasn't the first time they cancelled a game because of low numbers this season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 19, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on October 19, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
FYI, the Maranatha Baptist/Wash-U game scheduled for today at Wash-U has been cancelled.  MB called earlier this week to report that it only had 22 healthy players left on its roster (which only had 28 listed on the MB website to begin with).

Since it now has an unscheduled bye week, Wash-U may try to schedule a game during its originally-scheduled bye Saturday on November 8.  As it stands now, the Bears will have a 9-game season instead of 10 games.

A small high school roster size for a college team. Sadly I think going independent for football wasn't the right choice for them especially with a consistently small roster size. I wonder how much longer untill they pull the plug on their season because this wasn't the first time they cancelled a game because of low numbers this season.

Lewis & Clark was able to recover from similar hardships a few seasons ago. Here's hoping that MB is able to do the same. I know it's a bummer for the WashU guys but to be honest no one wins in a game destined to end up very lopsided, with one side barely able to field a squad.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 19, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
I would think that an attempt to restore a 10th game would be made, since the revenue from the cancelled home game would be nice to have.  Not sure if there are any teams that have a bye so late in the season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 19, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
It was GREAT meeting ADL70 at the CWRU-Geneva game.  That was my first CWRU game since 1992, and my first ever CWRU game at DiSanto Field.

GREAT win for CWRU!

I have a feeling things will be a bit rougher next week!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2014, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 19, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
I would think that an attempt to restore a 10th game would be made, since the revenue from the cancelled home game would be nice to have.  Not sure if there are any teams that have a bye so late in the season.

The list of possible opponents is really small, since the other team would also have to only have scheduled nine games.  Concordia-Chicago, the other game MB cancelled has a game 11/8.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on October 19, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
It was GREAT meeting ADL70 at the CWRU-Geneva game.  That was my first CWRU game since 1992, and my first ever CWRU game at DiSanto Field.

GREAT win for CWRU!

I have a feeling things will be a bit rougher next week!

Glad you got to check it out, Dagarman.  You've been very enthusiastic about CWRU since your appearance on these boards, so I'm glad you got to attend a game.  And ADL70 is surely a jolly fellow to meet.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2014, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 19, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
I would think that an attempt to restore a 10th game would be made, since the revenue from the cancelled home game would be nice to have.  Not sure if there are any teams that have a bye so late in the season.

Really?  Not taking an offensive stance here, just curious...how much "revenue" does WashU really generate from a home game?  CMU can't possibly make more than a few thousand dollars in game tickets and program sales per game.  I've certainly never worked on the athletics budget but I can't imagine that this is a major player in balancing the books.

I agree with ADL that it will probably be tough to find an opponent with an open date that's only played 9 games...one idea: WashU could reach out to both Maranatha Baptist and Alfred State to broker an agreement that might benefit all sides. 

Alfred State, a second-year D3 team from upstate New York that plays a rather motley crew of opponents this year, is slated to play a road game at Maranatha Baptist on 11/8.  If MB does not project having enough bodies to play all of the games on their remaining slate, perhaps WashU would step in and suggest that Alfred State re-jigger their travel arrangements (since they already would be flying for a road game anyway) to play at WashU on 11/8 instead, leaving MB to focus on fielding a competitive squad in their two other remaining games (10/25 and 11/15).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2014, 11:03:43 AM
Nice catch on Alfred St, XTP.

Jolly, eh!?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on October 20, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
I have met ADL, and I can say it was a pleasant experience. Not one to be missed.
With Case and OWU not meeting on the Diamond this year, I am afraid I will not have the pleasure this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on October 19, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 18, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
FYI, the Maranatha Baptist/Wash-U game scheduled for today at Wash-U has been cancelled.  MB called earlier this week to report that it only had 22 healthy players left on its roster (which only had 28 listed on the MB website to begin with).

Since it now has an unscheduled bye week, Wash-U may try to schedule a game during its originally-scheduled bye Saturday on November 8.  As it stands now, the Bears will have a 9-game season instead of 10 games.

A small high school roster size for a college team. Sadly I think going independent for football wasn't the right choice for them especially with a consistently small roster size.

Wasn't their choice.

Bad offseason for Maranatha, with a coaching change and the new coach not on campus until July. You can't take a struggling program that already has poor numbers and then do that to it. This is what you get. They opened camp with 30 players, and this was bound to happen.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 20, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
I don't know how much revenue is gleaned from each home game.  Even if it's a few thousand dollars, I'd rather have that in the coffers than not pursuing it at all.  Could pay for a nice meal for a traveling team instead of settling for fast-food fare.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2014, 11:27:20 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on October 20, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
I have met ADL, and I can say it was a pleasant experience. Not one to be missed.
With Case and OWU not meeting on the Diamond this year, I am afraid I will not have the pleasure this year.

We'll see I just might head to Delaware some game, if your lefty's pitching.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 22, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
WashU has officially added Alfred State to its schedule November 8 at WashU.  Game time at 6:00 p.m.  I will have some fun that day...calling two WashU-Chicago soccer games plus the football game that day and night!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 07:06:44 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 22, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
WashU has officially added Alfred State to its schedule November 8 at WashU.  Game time at 6:00 p.m.  I will have some fun that day...calling two WashU-Chicago soccer games plus the football game that day and night!

I'll take full credit for suggesting this idea.  I expect +K from all UAA board members.

Seriously, it just made too much sense. Glad that it works out for both WashU and Alfred State. This is a game WashU should win (no offense to ASU), but it's likely to be more competitive than MB and WashU will get those few hundred bucks in revenue :P

Edited to add: plus, with night games being a relative rarity in D3, it will be fun for the players to get a night game out of the deal.

Sounds like you'll have a busy day, jaybird! Make sure the hot tea and honey are ready to soothe your throat after all that talking :)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on October 23, 2014, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 07:06:44 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 22, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
WashU has officially added Alfred State to its schedule November 8 at WashU.  Game time at 6:00 p.m.  I will have some fun that day...calling two WashU-Chicago soccer games plus the football game that day and night!

I'll take full credit for suggesting this idea.  I expect +K from all UAA board members.

Seriously, it just made too much sense. Glad that it works out for both WashU and Alfred State. This is a game WashU should win (no offense to ASU), but it's likely to be more competitive than MB and WashU will get those few hundred bucks in revenue :P

Edited to add: plus, with night games being a relative rarity in D3, it will be fun for the players to get a night game out of the deal.

Sounds like you'll have a busy day, jaybird! Make sure the hot tea and honey are ready to soothe your throat after all that talking :)
+1 For getting this worked out. ;) Are you sure you do not work in the UAA scheduling office?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 02:18:31 PM
According to the Alfred State website, it will push its 2-year agreement with Maranatha to next season and 2016.  That may have been the fly in the ointment that needed to be resolved before the agreement could be reached.

The new addition to the schedule will likely produce a very sizable crowd.  A night game allows the students to hit the books during the day, and have the night free for football; out-of-towners won't have to get up so early to travel to the game; and it will be senior night unless they keep those festivities as originally scheduled Nov. 1 vs. Case.

I will have a spiced hot tea with honey beverage throughout the day; my wife combines instant tea, powdered orange drink and lemonade, cinnamon, and cloves.  Just add hot water and honey.  I'll post the exact recipe--it never fails to keep my voice in good working order.

That day may be easier compared to what I have next weekend...2 soccer games on Halloween, football on the 1st, and 2 soccer games on the 2nd.  Lots of fun!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 02:18:31 PM
The new addition to the schedule will likely produce a very sizable crowd.  A night game allows the students to hit the books during the day, and have the night free for football; out-of-towners won't have to get up so early to travel to the game; and it will be senior night unless they keep those festivities as originally scheduled Nov. 1 vs. Case.

Just one man's opinion, but I wouldn't change senior day festivities this late in the game.  I haven't looked at WashU's roster to see where the seniors hail from, but knowing that the UAA schools generally draw from a pretty wide geographic region, some parents may have already planned flights in for 11/1 from various locales, and it would be difficult to ask them to change on such short notice when some may have planned all season on attending the Senior Day game on the 1st.

Still, I think you're right that WashU could draw a very nice crowd, with the night game.  CMU has definitely drawn significantly better for the night games I've attended vs. the daytime games.

Quote from: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 02:18:31 PM
I will have a spiced hot tea with honey beverage throughout the day; my wife combines instant tea, powdered orange drink and lemonade, cinnamon, and cloves.  Just add hot water and honey.  I'll post the exact recipe--it never fails to keep my voice in good working order.

That sounds delicious.  I'm partial to Throat Coat tea with a tablespoon of raw honey stirred in til it dissolves.  Cinnamon and cloves are a good addition to anything.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 23, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 02:18:31 PMI will have a spiced hot tea with honey beverage throughout the day; my wife combines instant tea, powdered orange drink and lemonade, cinnamon, and cloves.  Just add hot water and honey.  I'll post the exact recipe--it never fails to keep my voice in good working order.

That day may be easier compared to what I have next weekend...2 soccer games on Halloween, football on the 1st, and 2 soccer games on the 2nd.  Lots of fun!

Since I have broadcasting weekends like that coming up, too, Jay, I may have need of your wife's recipe. ;)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 04:51:44 PM
I shall post it today or tonight (the recipe).  Pretty easy, just blending dry ingredients together and keeping the mix in a sealed container.

WashU's Senior Day remains November 1st vs. Case.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 23, 2014, 05:04:11 PM
This comes from my blog article "Defeating Laryngitis" that I wrote for the Sportscasters Talent Agency of America website:

"Now, about that recipe for the hot spiced tea. It involves mixing the following dry ingredients together in order to scoop them into a coffee cup or travel mug and add hot water: powdered lemonade mix, enough to make the equivalent of 3 quarts of liquid; powdered orange juice mix, enough to make 3 quarts of liquid; 1 1/2 cups of unsweetened instant tea; one teaspoon of cinnamon, one teaspoon of cloves, and 4 teaspoons of Sweet & Low sweetener. The combined ingredients can be placed in a small jar, and you just add enough spoonfuls or scoops from it into a cup or mug of hot water to satisfy your tastebuds. Add a few drops of lemon juice and some honey for the pesky forms of laryngitis. Try to use powdered lemonade and orange juice that has some Vitamin C to aid the recovery process."

I had a nasty case of laryngitis a couple of basketball seasons ago that threatened to sideline me from a couple of Wash-U UAA Friday/Sunday doubleheaders.  This spiced tea helped keep me in good voice throughout that weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 23, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Thanks, Jay!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2014, 06:54:01 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 07:06:44 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 22, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
WashU has officially added Alfred State to its schedule November 8 at WashU.  Game time at 6:00 p.m.  I will have some fun that day...calling two WashU-Chicago soccer games plus the football game that day and night!

I'll take full credit for suggesting this idea.  I expect +K from all UAA board members.


I gave you prps earlier, and figure you have a surfeit of k. 

But if you're stooping to fishing for it, +k.   ;D
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 24, 2014, 07:17:22 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2014, 06:54:01 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 07:06:44 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 22, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
WashU has officially added Alfred State to its schedule November 8 at WashU.  Game time at 6:00 p.m.  I will have some fun that day...calling two WashU-Chicago soccer games plus the football game that day and night!

I'll take full credit for suggesting this idea.  I expect +K from all UAA board members.


I gave you prps earlier, and figure you have a surfeit of k. 

But if you're stooping to fishing for it, +k.   ;D

Nobody can ever have enough +K!

A thought that occurred to me this morning: Chicago, also, should be happy about WashU picking up another game (and likely win), as well as rooting for an Elmhurst win streak. If they make it to 8-1 they'll be on the fringes of playoff consideration and will need every SOS bump they can get. Not that it's a given - I've seen enough UAA results to know that even when one team LOOKS the best, the title is often decided in close games or OT - but worth mentioning.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2014, 07:41:12 AM
Agreed re: UAA parity.

I don't think there will be a 3-0 champ this year.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 28, 2014, 12:53:51 PM
Gang,

US News is now producing a "global" universities ranking that is separate from its national ranking (and often QUITE different).

It's "global" rankings are based primarily on research-related factors, and give ZERO weight to undergraduate admissions.  For this reason, some schools that may be ranked higher "nationally" in their rankings may rank lower "globally".

FWIW, here are the UAA rankings:

Chicago: 9
NYU: 36
Washington U: 41
CMU: 74
Emory: 84
Rochester: 120
CWRU: 134
Brandeis: N/R (the rankings only go up to 500)

Based on my preliminary research, only the B1G and Ivy League had every school in the global Top 500.  The ACC comes close, but Clemson isn't a member.

I'm guessing that the UAA has more such schools, and a higher percentage of members, in the global Top 500 than any other Division III conference, but perhaps someone could double-check that for me.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 28, 2014, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2014, 07:41:12 AM
Agreed re: UAA parity.

I don't think there will be a 3-0 champ this year.

I'm rethinking this after Chicago blew the doors off WashU.

The Maroons look quite a bit stronger than CMU or CWRU. 

I would now be surprised if either can beat Chicago.

I think WashU is a toss-up with both teams.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2014, 11:37:55 PM
Pretty impressive showing by the Maroons.

FWIW:  Massey predicts CWRU loses to WUStL by 1 and beats UChi by 2, despite ranking UChi above them and WUStL below

Freshmen are starting to show up on CWRU's O, 5 started against W&J, three on the line.  I'm hoping they continue to improve and the O with 'em.

The D has held Chi to 18 points combined in the last three games.

Saturday is a must win game for the Spartans
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2014, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
I'm partial to Throat Coat tea with a tablespoon of raw honey stirred in til it dissolves.  Cinnamon and cloves are a good addition to anything.

Throat Coat is good stuff.  I sing so I baby my voice. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2014, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on October 30, 2014, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 23, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
I'm partial to Throat Coat tea with a tablespoon of raw honey stirred in til it dissolves.  Cinnamon and cloves are a good addition to anything.

Throat Coat is good stuff.  I sing so I baby my voice.

No kidding?  My GF is a voice professor at Central Michigan.

I don't sing.  I just like the taste :)

(of Throat Coat, that is)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 31, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Gang,

BusinessInsider.com just made a list of the Top 20 "intense" colleges.  Colleges so designated earned their ranking as a result of both "working" hard, and "playing" hard.  Studying AND partying.

Two UAA schools made the list: Washington U-St. Louis (at #20), and CWRU (at #13).

Read on.

http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-where-students-work-and-party-2014-10?op=1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-where-students-work-and-party-2014-10?op=1)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2014, 04:18:58 PM
Disappointing loss for the Spartans.

I'm afraid I have to say I don't see the upside in continuing the QB situation (8 INT and 3 Fumbles overall). 

Career day for Erb though.  10/122/1td

Dishong was out of the game early in the third quarter.

Edit:  I stand corrected.  According to the box score play-by-play, after sitting out a couple of series early in the third quarter Dishong did return.  By that time I had lost the video feed.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 01, 2014, 06:46:01 PM
Explains why WashU had much more time to throw the football in the 2nd half.

If only Wash-U could play all of its games at home this season...3-1 and outscoring opponents by an average of around 12 points/game, as opposed to being 0-4 on the road and being outscored by 19.75 points/game.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2014, 08:48:42 AM
Congrats to Chicago winning today and claiming the mini-conference title.

Congrats too to CMU beating WashU to create a three-way tie for second.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: thptrek on November 17, 2014, 11:00:46 PM
As a UChicago fan we had a great trip to Cleveland.  Case Western has a great facility and the people were really nice in helping to clear the stands of ice and snow.  The game was very tight and the Spartans played really well.  Turnovers made the difference.  Thanks again to all the Case Western folks for their hospitality.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 04, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
First CWRU recruit reported:

http://www.gwinnettprepsports.com/news/2015/jan/22/greater-atlanta-christian-senior-phan-commits-to/?sports

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1572128/justin-phan

Per his tweets, Chicago, CMU, and Centre were in the mix.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on February 04, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
Gotta say that I'm a little wishy-washy on the idea of kids "committing" to D3 schools.

Optimist's viewpoint: it's exciting for the kids going to play D3 ball to have some ceremony at their school to announce their commitment and/or sign a letter right next to the kids going to play D1.

Pessimist's viewpoint: that's super tacky, makes it feel like non-scholarship kids are drawing attention to themselves because they feel a need to make it seem like a bigger deal than they are, and feeding into that is not the best idea because that's how you end up with kids like this:

http://www.nathandorton.com/

I don't know.  I'm sure that at 17 I would have desperately loved to have some little ceremony at the school where me and the handful of kids going off to play D2 and D3 ball got to sit in front of classmates and "sign a letter" or something, but in retrospect I think it would have been pretty tacky.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 04, 2015, 06:37:19 PM
Looks like you missed this thread.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8249.0

I don't think a consensus was reached whether it was a good thing or not.

Faux signings are kinda tacky, but I think some kind of recognition is appropriate.


Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on February 05, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Hah.  No, I didn't see that, I usually stay in the conference discussion threads so that passed me by.

I guess my post is a short summary of that entire thread's discussion. 

It's a cool celebration...no, it's tacky, we don't need more everyone-gets-a-tropy-stuff...no, the kids are great and should be commended...etc.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on February 05, 2015, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on February 05, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Hah.  No, I didn't see that, I usually stay in the conference discussion threads so that passed me by.

I guess my post is a short summary of that entire thread's discussion. 

It's a cool celebration...no, it's tacky, we don't need more everyone-gets-a-tropy-stuff...no, the kids are great and should be commended...etc.

In my line of work, I interview a lot of athletic directors, and Terry Cooper, whose teams won 91 state titles during his tenure at Mountain Brook High School in Alabama, once said something that has stuck with me.

"We want to make sure that each team feels its accomplishments reflect the success of our whole program. Any student-athlete believes his or her sport is the most important. If you emphasize certain programs over others, you aren't supporting all of your athletes"

I see this as an extension of that. Of course a high school athletic department should celebrate a kid going on to play D-III tennis as much as they do D-I football. Both students accomplished enough, academically and athletically, to continue playing sports at the next level. Why wouldn't a high school athletic department be equally as proud of those student-athletes? Why would you want an accomplishment like that to be ignored?

I actually think it's funny people are saying this is a symptom of "everyone gets a trophy" when it's celebrating something that maybe 10% of high school athletes will accomplish.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on February 05, 2015, 03:31:03 PM
The NCAA website has a page that shows the percentages of student-athletes participating in a sport in high school going on to participate in that sport at an NCAA institution.  For football, it is 6.5%.  For men's basketball, 3.3%  This includes DI, DII, and DIII.

A website called ScholarshipStats.com shows the following percentages:

                    DI        DII       DIII       NAIA        NJACC       Other       Total

Football         2.4       1.6       2.2        0.8           0.5            0.5          8.0%

Men's BB       1.0       0.9       1.4        0.8           1.1            0.7          5.9%

Two points:  why not celebrate/officially acknowledge the fact that a football player, or any athlete regardless of his/her sport, is going on to play in DIII?    Parents:  look at the odds when you think your sons and daughters are going to land a college athletic scholarship.         
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 06, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
Per their tweets two more commits for CWRU:

Mitchell Peer  6'3 180 QB/PK   L'Anse Creuse North High School  Macomb MI

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1271689/mitchell-peer


Steve Bachie  6'3 260 OT/C  Berea-Midpark   2nd Team DI Northeast Lakes District  Becoming a Spartan despite offers from St Francis PA FCS, Dayton FCS-NS, West Va Wesleyan DII, as well as Carnegie Mellon, which was where he wanted to go per an interview last September. 

http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/5199584458464780047/berea-midpark-football-player-steve-bachie-answers-8-questions-varsity-time

http://www.scoutingohio.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=profile&Itemid=166&userid=7361

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 19, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
Another lineman announced for CWRU:

Chaz Brown  6'4 285-290  Kennett Mo  2nd team all-district

http://www.dddnews.com/story/2176744.html

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2768457/chaz-brown

The last play of the highlights shows him placekicking

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 09, 2015, 01:56:26 PM
More tweeted Spartan commits:

Jack Blanton Longmeadow MA 6'3 245 All Western Mass DL

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1898687/highlights


Joe Spitalli Roselle IL Lake Park  6-2 175 OLB/WR

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1723579/joe-spitalli


Hunter Tulloch  Coconut Creek FL North Broward Prep  6-2 180  WR/K 

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3036064/hunter-tulloch


Frank Villante  Lake Minneola FL  6-2 270 G  http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/195707/frank-villante

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1935706/frankie-villante




Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 10, 2015, 12:22:13 PM
Sounds like we're really getting some "hawgs" on both sides of the line.

Because I've been a bit disengaged, how many starters do we have returning on each side?
Title: B
Post by: ADL70 on April 11, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
D: all 11 return

O:  3 OL   FB   RB   2+ WR

ST  All

Of note: it appears FR QB Simpson will not return, leaving Cuda as heir apparent at QB
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 12, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
With Liberty League losing its affiliated and dropping to five football schools, could Rochester lure fellow UAA mates CWRU and CMU to LL?

PAC doesn't need them for AQ and in fact they make PAC football an unwieldy 11 teams.

Travel to St Lawrence, RPI, and Union would be tough though (around 500 miles).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 12, 2015, 08:43:26 PM
It's an interesting thought...

It's kind of an odd geographic fit.  And there is the fact that Rochester left the UAA in football a decade ago, leaving an already-thin football conference even thinner.  I don't think the current University admins would worry too much about that, just saying.

Would the remaining E8 schools go for it? I have to imagine they'd rather get someone closer, but I don't know who's poach-able and closer by.

Ultimately, I think the travel makes in unattractive for CMU and CWRU.  IMO the attraction of the PAC is that all of the schools are in fairly easy driving distance, so the only long trips are WashU and Chicago. Do they really want to go back to 3-4 overnights a year?

I mean, if the PAC kicks out CMU and Case, it's an option.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 12, 2015, 09:03:57 PM
You meant LL not E8, right?

I posted the thought on LL Board, but no replies yet.

I suspect that Rochester left the UAA more for travel considerations that AQ availability.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 13, 2015, 10:20:26 AM
Yeah, that's a whoopsie on my part.  For some reason I occasionally lapse back and forth when talking about LL / E8.  I did mean LL.

I think the only way this would happen is if the PAC full members told CMU and CWRU to get lost, be that because they don't like accommodating CMU/CWRU's desire to retain the UAA schedule or just because they don't like having affiliate members.  TBH, I understand that the PAC really did CMU/CWRU a solid and really has no obligation to extend this affiliate membership, and if they did tell CMU and Case to take a hike, perhaps seeking refuge in the LL could happen.  Competitively it's not a bad fit, and we road-tripped to both Rochester & Hobart back in my senior year anyway.  I think the LL would seek other options, but if this is a way for them to keep an AQ, they might try it.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 13, 2015, 05:55:06 PM
Chicago announces 32 incoming frosh (10 from Cali):

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150318rtae5n


The only objection I can see to PAC retaining CWRU and CMU would be that 11 teams means no round robin.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on April 14, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
I realize that we have 3 OL starters returning, but I just looked at our roster list, and we look rather undersized.

I hope that Coach D brings in some hogs!!!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 15, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
I think that quick feet and technique trump size, besides those returning starters are 6'3 270, 6'1 300, and 6'1 260.  Returning backups are 6'2 260 and 6'4 260 and the frosh go 6'3 260, 6'4 285, and 6'2 270.  That's pretty good size for D3.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 07, 2015, 05:14:14 PM
Coach D announces his latest recruiting class.

A lot of linemen on both sides.

Sadly, only one QB.

36 new players in all.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/2015050516xa1m (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/2015050516xa1m)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 22, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
Washington's incoming class

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/2015051282jw1b
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 26, 2015, 11:03:10 AM
CMU incoming class:

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150521frdp3v

33 recruits, 15 states, one representative of my HS alma mater.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 12, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Wash U is joining the CCIW as an associate member for football in 2018.
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150611z55r5g

Chicago is also leaving the SAA after the 2017 season.  No new football conference affiliation has been announced.
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150612631ks3

Wash U will only play Chicago - no more games with CMU and CWRU.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on June 12, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
That's interesting. The SAA affiliation was unwieldy. Chicago will need to find someone to play. Being a D3 independent is a cast iron witch after the first two or three weeks of the season. Shame about losing the UAA rivalries.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on June 12, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
I was wondering how much longer the UAA thing would carry on once those four teams started making conference affiliations.  I can't say that I'm really surprised that those games will be ending in earnest- it's just really difficult to fit three other games in while also being fair to the conference that has agreed to share their Pool A access with you. 

As for WashU in the CCIW- super interesting.  Equally interesting is how quickly the CCIW has outfitted itself with 10 teams.  I presume they'll go full round robin here and play just one out of conference per season- a growing trend.  September scheduling is a nightmare and a 9-game league schedule eliminates most of the headache.  It comes at the expense of your SOS, but that's a price many are happy to pay. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 12, 2015, 03:02:15 PM
Chicago could affiliate with the seven-team NACC.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 12, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 12, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
That's interesting. The SAA affiliation was unwieldy. Chicago will need to find someone to play. Being a D3 independent is a cast iron witch after the first two or three weeks of the season.

Yep. And that's why the U of C's press release made mention of the fact that the school is actively seeking out a new affiliation. I'm sure that the school's athletic department is well aware of what a major headache scheduling would become if the Maroons had to join the list of D3 indies -- a list which now, I believe, can be toted up on the fingers of one hand.

Quote from: jknezek on June 12, 2015, 01:39:15 PMShame about losing the UAA rivalries.

Yeah, but they're keeping the one UAA rivalry -- the Founders Cup game between Chicago and Wash U -- that really matters to both schools. Those two schools are already archrivals in every sport (inasmuch, I suppose, as the University of Chicago pays enough attention to sports to actually consider anyone an archrival in a field of endeavor that doesn't include a Nobel Prize for the winner ;)).

The CMU and CWRU people will correct me if I'm wrong, but Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve appear to be an archrival pair as well ... and that's not gonna change with the de facto dissolution of UAA football, since they're both still PAC members.

Quote from: ADL70 on June 12, 2015, 03:02:15 PM
Chicago could affiliate with the seven-team NAAC.

You mean the NACC, right? I suppose the NACC could do in a pinch. The MIAA, with whom the NACC pairs up for odd-team-out games in October and November, is a possibility as well. Either way, whichever one of those leagues the Maroons joined, the other league would be mighty ticked off about it, since it would ruin their odd-team-out schedule.

The U of C could also seek to affiliate with the HCAC, which is likewise an odd-numbered league, the difference between the HCAC and those other two leagues being that, unlike the NACC and MIAA, the HCAC doesn't have an odd-team-out matchup agreement with another odd-numbered league.

Quote from: wally_wabash on June 12, 2015, 02:37:58 PMAs for WashU in the CCIW- super interesting.  Equally interesting is how quickly the CCIW has outfitted itself with 10 teams.  I presume they'll go full round robin here and play just one out of conference per season- a growing trend.  September scheduling is a nightmare and a 9-game league schedule eliminates most of the headache.  It comes at the expense of your SOS, but that's a price many are happy to pay.

Exactly. I can't fathom the CCIW ever abandoning the full round-robin.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on June 13, 2015, 09:51:30 AM
While yesterday was a good-news day for Wash-U football and the CCIW, there is a bit of sadness that the UAA is washing away in football; slowly out to sea by the ebb and flow of the desire to play for AQs and the undertow of the inability of the conference to have enough football schools to be eligible for post-season Pool A bids.

That has always been the Achilles heel of an otherwise tremendous conference for other sports--the lack of teams offering football at the outset of the creation of the UAA.  Johns Hopkins, to my knowledge, never competed in UAA football in its short time in the conference, and Rochester's departure some time ago left the remaining four football-playing teams in a tough situation.  Maintain the status quo, or (to borrow a Star Trek reference) boldly go and seek new football civilizations that would afford competition for an AQ.

Hence, the four teams' move to the PAC and SAA, and Wash-U's eventual landing in the CCIW in 2018.  I am glad that Wash-U and Chicago will maintain their yearly Founder's Cup battles, and I hope Chicago can find a long-term conference affiliation for its football program.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 13, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
According to the front page of d3football.com, it sounds as though Chicago is probably going to move to the MWC, where it will fill the hole in the North Division that will be caused by Carroll's defection to the CCIW after this coming school year. That's probably the best fit available for the Maroons.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Good comments/observations all.  I agree that it is great to see that WashU and U of Chicago will continue their traditional rivalry.  But I also agree with Gregory that perhaps the better fit for Chicago is the MWF league as far as travel distances and some very old[er] rivalries from many years ago.  If I recall correctly, wasn't Chicago in the Midwest League for a while back in the mid-1980s?

And finally, I also agree that it is sad to see the UAA breakup- the original formation in the first place of "like major research universities" which had storied football histories was a worthy.  However, the new era is such that travel costs are almost prohibitive (similar to Colorado College when it had its program), so this move makes sense for both Chicago and WashU.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I know it was a different era, but how many D3 teams can boast a Heisman Trophy winner among its players?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I know it was a different era, but how many D3 teams can boast a Heisman Trophy winner among its players?

So true DBQ1965.  I had the great privilege of meeting Berwanger years ago after having been invited by him for a visit.  We met at his then office and he kindlpy spent some 4 1/2 hours visiting with me.  We talked about many things, although obviously no surprise that the big topic was football.  He shared with me about his time at U of C and Stagg when Berwanger was a freshman and the Old Stagg Field Stadium and Big Ten football back then. (Some of you may not know that U of C of the Big Ten (Western Conference) played MIAA Hillsdale College in 1930 and it was a low scoring game). 

Anyway, he gave me signed photos (his famous pose of course) and a book on the Heisman.  I remember when walking up the front walk and I was holding a new book on the Heisman winners that my wife had given me for my birthday-I was bringing it to have him sign it. He saw the book and sad..."oh, I see you already have that one" and he proceeded to give me a different book on the Heisman winners that had also been published at the time and signed both for me.  His autographed photo remains in my sports library den.  He gave everyone who visited him one of the Heisman books.  Berwanger was very kind and generous man and I was sad when he passed away in the early 2000s. 

I do love U of C's football history room and seeing the original Heisman Trophy.  WashU was big time football also until the 1930's.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I know it was a different era, but how many D3 teams can boast a Heisman Trophy winner among its players?

So true DBQ1965.  I had the great privilege of meeting Berwanger years ago after having been invited by him for a visit.  We met at his then office and he kindlpy spent some 4 1/2 hours visiting with me.  We talked about many things, although obviously no surprise that the big topic was football.  He shared with me about his time at U of C and Stagg when Berwanger was a freshman and the Old Stagg Field Stadium and Big Ten football back then. (Some of you may not know that U of C of the Big Ten (Western Conference) played MIAA Hillsdale College in 1930 and it was a low scoring game). 

Anyway, he gave me signed photos (his famous pose of course) and a book on the Heisman.  I remember when walking up the front walk and I was holding a new book on the Heisman winners that my wife had given me for my birthday-I was bringing it to have him sign it. He saw the book and sad..."oh, I see you already have that one" and he proceeded to give me a different book on the Heisman winners that had also been published at the time and signed both for me.  His autographed photo remains in my sports library den.  He gave everyone who visited him one of the Heisman books.  Berwanger was very kind and generous man and I was sad when he passed away in the early 2000s. 

I do love U of C's football history room and seeing the original Heisman Trophy.  WashU was big time football also until the 1930's.

My claim to fame with U of C  came with running the 880 (I am that old) and the 800 indoors on the 220 dirt track oval in the old fieldhouse (allegedly built above the Fermi cyclotron on campus).  Two times I ran for Wheaton College and once representing McCormick Theological Seminary.  While unofficial, I did run a PR at 1:59.1 in 1961. Now I still run at 5k distances in the 70-74 age group.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
Further UAA connection to the Heisman--an NYU player was the sculptor`s model.

Interesting that Carroll also uses the "wishbone C" logo as well.

Yes Greg, CWRU and CMU play a trophy game which is included in PAC`s week 11 rivalry games.

And d3db the UAA will continue in the other sports.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2015, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Good comments/observations all.  I agree that it is great to see that WashU and U of Chicago will continue their traditional rivalry.  But I also agree with Gregory that perhaps the better fit for Chicago is the MWF league as far as travel distances and some very old[er] rivalries from many years ago.  If I recall correctly, wasn't Chicago in the Midwest League for a while back in the mid-1980s?

The University of Chicago was a MWC member from 1976 until the founding of the UAA in 1987.

Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PMAnd finally, I also agree that it is sad to see the UAA breakup- the original formation in the first place of "like major research universities" which had storied football histories was a worthy.  However, the new era is such that travel costs are almost prohibitive (similar to Colorado College when it had its program), so this move makes sense for both Chicago and WashU.   

As ADL70 said, the UAA isn't breaking up. It simply lost two of its football teams. (The league indicates that it wishes to continue sponsoring football, but that point now appears to be moot.) Chicago and Wash U will continue to participate in the UAA in all of their other sports. As for travel costs, yeah, they're steep and getting steeper. But "almost prohibitive" is not really a term that fits either school; Wash U's endowment is $5.6 billion, and Chicago's is $7.5 billion. Needless to say, they can afford those UAA plane rides and hotel rooms.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on June 14, 2015, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 13, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
According to the front page of d3football.com, it sounds as though Chicago is probably going to move to the MWC, where it will fill the hole in the North Division that will be caused by Carroll's defection to the CCIW after this coming school year. That's probably the best fit available for the Maroons.

Lake Forest may want that North Division spot. I don't know how Macalester alters the numbers but I know without them the travel distances are better for Lake Forest in the North than the South. Also, geographically, Lake Forest is north of Chicago.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2015, 02:48:46 PM
That's a good point. But Lake Forest may have an ongoing investment in the rivalries it has with the other South Division teams. Or, it may not. We'll see.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 02:51:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2015, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Good comments/observations all.  I agree that it is great to see that WashU and U of Chicago will continue their traditional rivalry.  But I also agree with Gregory that perhaps the better fit for Chicago is the MWF league as far as travel distances and some very old[er] rivalries from many years ago.  If I recall correctly, wasn't Chicago in the Midwest League for a while back in the mid-1980s?

The University of Chicago was a MWC member from 1976 until the founding of the UAA in 1987.

Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PMAnd finally, I also agree that it is sad to see the UAA breakup- the original formation in the first place of "like major research universities" which had storied football histories was a worthy.  However, the new era is such that travel costs are almost prohibitive (similar to Colorado College when it had its program), so this move makes sense for both Chicago and WashU.   

As ADL70 said, the UAA isn't breaking up. It simply lost two of its football teams. (The league indicates that it wishes to continue sponsoring football, but that point now appears to be moot.) Chicago and Wash U will continue to participate in the UAA in all of their other sports. As for travel costs, yeah, they're steep and getting steeper. But "almost prohibitive" is not really a term that fits either school; Wash U's endowment is $5.6 billion, and Chicago's is $7.5 billion. Needless to say, they can afford those UAA plane rides and hotel rooms.

I didn't say the UAA was going defunct, simply that it is breaking up with regard to its football sponsoring schools, which it is, in losing two of its four football teams (the topic that most every one was discussing, I believe, was with regard to the football schools of the UAA).  Regardless, it will be interesting to see if they can rebuild by adding football teams as you mentioned as stated in their announcement.

Also, you certainly are right they can afford the costs for extended travel.  However, I do not doubt that has been at least in the discussion, even if for just being included in the overall general discussion and potential aspects to be considered.  At the same time, it certainly doesn't hurt either in saving some $ by going into conferences that will require less travel (when U of C decides which league it would like to join/affiliate with).   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on June 14, 2015, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2015, 02:48:46 PM
That's a good point. But Lake Forest may have an ongoing investment in the rivalries it has with the other South Division teams. Or, it may not. We'll see.

Possible. Back in the 1990s when Cornell and Coe were both still in the conference, Lake Forest was part of the North so they do have a history with those teams as well. My guess is if Chicago were to affiliate with the MWC, Lake Forest would be allowed to play in the division they want and Chicago would take the other.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 14, 2015, 04:47:32 PM
I think you may see something like Cornell and Grinnell going to the North, Beloit to the South and Chicago added to the South.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 14, 2015, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
Further UAA connection to the Heisman--an NYU player was the sculptor`s model.

Interesting that Carroll also uses the "wishbone C" logo as well.

Yes Greg, CWRU and CMU play a trophy game which is included in PAC`s week 11 rivalry games.

And d3db the UAA will continue in the other sports.

Carroll does not use the wishbone C - they use a block C.
http://carrollathletics.com/index.aspx?path=football&

Central College uses the wishbone C. But Chicago originated the logo.
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/12724/the-uni-watch-history-of-the-wishbone-c
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 14, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 13, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I know it was a different era, but how many D3 teams can boast a Heisman Trophy winner among its players?

So true DBQ1965.  I had the great privilege of meeting Berwanger years ago after having been invited by him for a visit.  We met at his then office and he kindlpy spent some 4 1/2 hours visiting with me.  We talked about many things, although obviously no surprise that the big topic was football.  He shared with me about his time at U of C and Stagg when Berwanger was a freshman and the Old Stagg Field Stadium and Big Ten football back then. (Some of you may not know that U of C of the Big Ten (Western Conference) played MIAA Hillsdale College in 1930 and it was a low scoring game). 

Anyway, he gave me signed photos (his famous pose of course) and a book on the Heisman.  I remember when walking up the front walk and I was holding a new book on the Heisman winners that my wife had given me for my birthday-I was bringing it to have him sign it. He saw the book and sad..."oh, I see you already have that one" and he proceeded to give me a different book on the Heisman winners that had also been published at the time and signed both for me.  His autographed photo remains in my sports library den.  He gave everyone who visited him one of the Heisman books.  Berwanger was very kind and generous man and I was sad when he passed away in the early 2000s. 

I do love U of C's football history room and seeing the original Heisman Trophy.  WashU was big time football also until the 1930's.

My claim to fame with U of C  came with running the 880 (I am that old) and the 800 indoors on the 220 dirt track oval in the old fieldhouse (allegedly built above the Fermi cyclotron on campus).  Two times I ran for Wheaton College and once representing McCormick Theological Seminary.  While unofficial, I did run a PR at 1:59.1 in 1961. Now I still run at 5k distances in the 70-74 age group.

The Fieldhouse is at University and 56th.  The cyclotron was in the Accelerator Building, 5604-20 S Ellis. This is (was) just south of the Ratner Athletics Center, UofC's new facility - the replacement for the Fieldhouse, which is still in use.  Around 1974, the Fieldhouse went from one cavernous level to two levels. The track (now synthetic) and basketball court are on the second floor.
http://photoarchive.lib.uchicago.edu/db.xqy?one=apf2-00114.xml

The entire west side of the 5600 block of South Ellis has been demolished to make way for the William Eckhardt Research Center.
http://facilities.uchicago.edu/construction/current/meb/

Across Ellis is Regenstein Library - built on the site where Stagg Field stood.  Under the West Stand of Stagg Field, Fermi built Chicago Pile-1, the first nuclear reactor to achieve a self-sustaining chain reaction.  Henry Moore's sculpture "Nuclear Energy" marks the spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

The cyclotron was moved out to Fermilab in 1971.  It was obsolete as an accelerator but the Tevatron could use its magnets. Parts of it were still in use until the Tevatron was shut down after the Large Hadron Collider began running.
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2006/today06-05-05.html

Good history of the Chicago Cyclotron aka Fermi's Magnet:
http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/cyclotron/visited_cycs/the_many_lives.pdf




Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
I was aware that Chicago originated the logo. D3 Carroll uses it as well. You linked to D2 Carrol (MT).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 14, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   

The original athletics facility was Bartlett Hall at University and 57th.  It has been converted to a dining hall.  All the offices are in Ratner now. Some Bartlett pics - then and now:
http://brunercott.com/portfolio/academic/campus_centers/cc_univ_chicago_bartlett
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010329/bartlett.shtml



Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 14, 2015, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 14, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
I was aware that Chicago originated the logo. D3 Carroll uses it as well. You linked to D2 Carrol (MT).

I goofed up.  I would call Carroll's logo a variant of the wishbone C.  The classic version has a round interior of the C and a round exterior with a point added.  Carroll has the inside and outside sloping to a point. The Cincinnati Reds have a hybrid - round inside and Carroll like outside,  They used to have a classic version.  Here is Carroll writing about its C:
http://carrollulibrarynews.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-legend-of-carroll-c.html

Here is the history of the Cincinnati Reds version:
http://sportsteamhistory.com/cincinnati-reds-logos
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on June 14, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   

The Heismann Trophy is now in the center of the front lobby of Ratner. Stagg's office is still marked in Bartlett (the old athletic) Hall but the spot is being used. I can't remember what it is for.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 15, 2015, 08:21:57 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on June 14, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   

The Heismann Trophy is now in the center of the front lobby of Ratner. Stagg's office is still marked in Bartlett (the old athletic) Hall but the spot is being used. I can't remember what it is for.
Quote from: martin on June 14, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
martin:

Thanks for sharing the information regarding the U of C facilities.  I remember when the Fieldhouse was transformed into the two tier level facility.  The old Athletic Hall/A.A. Stagg's old office (I forget the name without looking it up right now) next to it was where the Heisman/history room was.  As it has been several years since I visited that, is it still there or did they move it to the new Ratner AC?

It is kind of a neat experience to walk the area of The Regenstein Library where the old stadium stood and envision what it was like in the old days, especially in comparing it to old photographs of games there.  I'm also that the University preserved one of the old gates from the original Stagg Field stadium and incorporated that in the new entrance to New Stagg Field when those renovations were done back in the 1980's.  A nice touch to preserve a little history for today's teams.

One last comment:  When I was co-writing Alma College's Centennial Football History back in 1993-1994, we found in the archives and yearbooks that A.A. Stagg was invited up to Alma to the football team's end-of-the season banquet to give a speech and partake in the dinner in 1902.  It was a most interesting read about his visit.   

The original athletics facility was Bartlett Hall at University and 57th.  It has been converted to a dining hall.  All the offices are in Ratner now. Some Bartlett pics - then and now:
http://brunercott.com/portfolio/academic/campus_centers/cc_univ_chicago_bartlett
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010329/bartlett.shtml







Very neat.  I would like to try and see both (the new Bartlett Hall and Stagg's old office and the Ratner AC and the Heisman) the next time I visit Chicago.  Thank you both for the follow-up.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
I am very sorry to hear that the UAA is essentially ending its existence as a football conference.

I am glad to hear that it will continue to exist in other sports; it's nice to have ONE conference in the NCAA that has ALL of its members as AAU schools (even the Ivy League and B1G can't boast of that!). 

That said, I am concerned about the UAA's long-term viability without football.  Well, that, on top of the fact that the UAA isn't an AQ conference in baseball.  How common is it in Division III to have a conference without football?  How many such conferences are also non-AQ in baseball?  I'm guessing that D3 conferences that fit that profile are few and far between.

If this is truly the demise of UAA football, and if Chicago and Washington U are indeed both coming off of CWRU's future football schedules, then I would argue that we should renew the "fight for the fish" series with Wooster (I had one of the Baird Brothers for Economics over two decades ago), and I'd also like to see us play either Oberlin or Kenyon (preferably Oberlin, since they're so close by) every year, simply because they're the only other schools in Ohio whose students have SAT profiles comparable to ours.  Good academic/athletic rivals, even if their focuses and energies differ from our own!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2015, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Good comments/observations all.  I agree that it is great to see that WashU and U of Chicago will continue their traditional rivalry.  But I also agree with Gregory that perhaps the better fit for Chicago is the MWF league as far as travel distances and some very old[er] rivalries from many years ago.  If I recall correctly, wasn't Chicago in the Midwest League for a while back in the mid-1980s?

The University of Chicago was a MWC member from 1976 until the founding of the UAA in 1987.

Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2015, 06:01:00 PMAnd finally, I also agree that it is sad to see the UAA breakup- the original formation in the first place of "like major research universities" which had storied football histories was a worthy.  However, the new era is such that travel costs are almost prohibitive (similar to Colorado College when it had its program), so this move makes sense for both Chicago and WashU.   

As ADL70 said, the UAA isn't breaking up. It simply lost two of its football teams. (The league indicates that it wishes to continue sponsoring football, but that point now appears to be moot.) Chicago and Wash U will continue to participate in the UAA in all of their other sports. As for travel costs, yeah, they're steep and getting steeper. But "almost prohibitive" is not really a term that fits either school; Wash U's endowment is $5.6 billion, and Chicago's is $7.5 billion. Needless to say, they can afford those UAA plane rides and hotel rooms.

Very true.

Every UAA school that has a football team (Chicago, Washington U., Case, Carnegie-Mellon, and Rochester) has an endowment well in excess of a billion dollars.  In fact, the only UAA member school that isn't a billionaire is Brandeis, and even Brandeis' endowment is over $700 million.

I'm guessing that only the Ivy League is richer, on average, among NCAA sports conferences.

The ability (or inability) to absorb travel costs has never been much of a consideration.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on June 18, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
That said, I am concerned about the UAA's long-term viability without football.  Well, that, on top of the fact that the UAA isn't an AQ conference in baseball.  How common is it in Division III to have a conference without football?  How many such conferences are also non-AQ in baseball?  I'm guessing that D3 conferences that fit that profile are few and far between.

Very common actually.  In 2014 there were 24 football leagues that received automatic bids to the tournament, in basketball there were 43 such conferences.  So you've got about 20 conferences out there that don't sponsor football. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
I got that.

But how many of those 20 conferences are ALSO non-AQ in baseball?

I'm guessing that that number is much smaller.

As I said, the number of conferences like the UAA which are BOTH non-AQ in baseball AND don't sponsor football is probably pretty small, I'm guessing.

Given how small that number likely is, I'm worried about the UAA's long-term viability.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on June 18, 2015, 06:07:03 PM
That's a good question and I'm not studied up enough on the baseball leagues to know for sure.  A very quick check here tells me that there are 40 AQ baseball conferences.  Without cross-referencing right now, I'm guessing that most or all of those 40 baseball leagues are the same as those 43 basketball leagues that offer AQs. 

But that's not the question- how many leagues don't have an AQ in baseball?  My cursory glace at the size of conferences tells me that there are Independents and the UAA and that's it in the non-AQ part of the D-III baseball Venn diagram.  That same glance makes me wonder why on earth Chicago isn't playing UAA baseball because that solves your problem.  I digress.  It's less of a bad thing to be non-AQ in baseball than it is football.  While we've only ever seen one Pool B team be selected for the football tournament when lumped in with AQ conference runners up (Centre, 2014..and they had to be 10-0), teams that live in non-AQ leagues have been selected for the postseason plenty via the Pool C route in baseball.  It's not a killer at all the way it is in football.

If the UAA is creeping out onto the thin ice, I really don't think it has anything to do with football or baseball or money.  My guess is that it has a lot more to do with time and travel.  We've seen the division condense itself geographically over the last handful of years.  The UAA seems to be the lone holdout as far as geographically expansive conferences go in D-III.  I'd like to see the league continue on as is- it's unique and it's no doubt a special collection of universities.  As long as the powers that be there don't mind the travel, time, and expense involved in being a league so vast, have at it. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 18, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Chicago is on quarter calendar and exams are during the UAA tournament.

I don't see these football and baseball issues threatening the UAA overall.  As long as Chicago finds a home the five football schools should be happy. The UAA baseball champ hasn't been left out of the tournament that I can recall.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on June 18, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
The same problem exists in the UAA for women's softball.  The U. of Chicago's inability to participate in the UAA spring conference tournament renders the conference into a Pool B situation.  I'm not criticizing Chicago...it certainly has the right to refuse to participate if it is detrimental to its semester framework and the student-athletes involved.  As long as the pendulum stays where it is, I don't foresee having an AQ in either baseball or softball for the foreseeable future.

While as Wally correctly states that it is easier to get in the NCAA tourney in baseball via Pools B and C, compared to football...not having an AQ for UAA baseball and football is still cause for concern, as Dagerman surmised earlier in this thread.  The ice is still perilously thin for UAA champs and co-champs to make the tournament field without the Pool A safety net.

Therefore, my hope is that folks throughout the UAA will get together and hammer out an agreement that is satisfactory for all, and that will give the conference an AQ in both baseball and softball.  I would hate to see a crumbling of the UAA in those two sports, especially when there are enough schools in that conference that play those sports to have an AQ.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 19, 2015, 12:49:32 PM
Out of curiosity, when should we expect for d3football's preview magazine to be available?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2015, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 19, 2015, 12:49:32 PM
Out of curiosity, when should we expect for d3football's preview magazine to be available?

around mid-august I believe
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 19, 2015, 02:32:17 PM
Later in August I'm pretty sure.

There will be plenty of promotion.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 20, 2015, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on June 18, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
That said, I am concerned about the UAA's long-term viability without football.  Well, that, on top of the fact that the UAA isn't an AQ conference in baseball.  How common is it in Division III to have a conference without football?  How many such conferences are also non-AQ in baseball?  I'm guessing that D3 conferences that fit that profile are few and far between.

Very common actually.  In 2014 there were 24 football leagues that received automatic bids to the tournament, in basketball there were 43 such conferences.  So you've got about 20 conferences out there that don't sponsor football.

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
I got that.

But how many of those 20 conferences are ALSO non-AQ in baseball?

I'm guessing that that number is much smaller.

As I said, the number of conferences like the UAA which are BOTH non-AQ in baseball AND don't sponsor football is probably pretty small, I'm guessing.

Given how small that number likely is, I'm worried about the UAA's long-term viability.

With all due respect, DS, I think that you're being needlessly alarmist. Here's why:

* Let's start with the overall breadth of the UAA in terms of sports offered. You're focused upon the Big Three here (or, more precisely, two-thirds of it -- football and baseball), but the league also sponsors nine men's sports and nine women's sports aside from the Big Three. (I'm leaving out fencing, since the league's sponsorship of that sport, in which Brandeis and NYU are the only participants, is even more baffling than the UAA's declaration that, somehow, someway, it will remain a football league.) That's twenty different sports, aside from baseball/softball and football, in which the UAA's eight member schools have a congenial, historical, and fruitful common relationship.

* That common relationship isn't gonna change just because the UAA can no longer uphold the pretense that it's a functioning football league. Football is not the driver within the D3 polity that it is on the D1 level, because: a) in D3, football is not a revenue-producing sport (in the sense of ticket sales, merchandising, broadcast rights, etc., being used to fund the other sports, as is the case on the D1 level); and b) football is very much a low-participation sport in D3; fewer than 250 of the 440-odd schools in D3 field football teams. It's not the policy-making behemoth in D3 that it is in D1, and certainly no sport, including football, is a policy-making behemoth of any kind in the UAA. Jocks really don't call the shots in any D3 league, but they're even less equipped to do so in the UAA than in the other D3 leagues.

* You yourself have already stated two very important reasons why the UAA is quite healthy the way it is:

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:21:00 PMit's nice to have ONE conference in the NCAA that has ALL of its members as AAU schools (even the Ivy League and B1G can't boast of that!).

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 18, 2015, 01:31:19 PMEvery UAA school that has a football team (Chicago, Washington U., Case, Carnegie-Mellon, and Rochester) has an endowment well in excess of a billion dollars.  In fact, the only UAA member school that isn't a billionaire is Brandeis, and even Brandeis' endowment is over $700 million.

I'm guessing that only the Ivy League is richer, on average, among NCAA sports conferences.

The ability (or inability) to absorb travel costs has never been much of a consideration.

Add to that the fact that the UAA represents a very small and unique niche within the D3 member population -- private research universities -- that is otherwise not served by any specific conference, plus the ongoing relationships that've existed under the UAA aegis for almost thirty years now, and there's no good institutionally-based reason why the league should fold.

* I think that Jay hit the nail on the head regarding UAA baseball and UAA softball. Chicago, as ADL70 mentioned, doesn't participate in the UAA baseball or softball schedules because the U of C is on a quarter-based academic calendar rather than a semester-based one. But you can't fully lay the blame for the lack of a UAA automatic qualifying bid in those two sports at the feet of the Hyde Parkers; remember, Carnegie Mellon doesn't even offer either sport. Where there's a will there's a way, and the resources of the UAA allow the will to go a long, long way in terms of making things like an autobid for the D3 baseball and D3 softball tourneys happen, if that will really does exist. It may simply have to require some inspired creativity in terms of schedule-making, or the use of alternative strategies such as divisional play and/or adding associate members for those two sports (a strategy that the CCIW, for example, is using very effectively). But if the lack of baseball and softball autobids constitute that big of a crisis, then the league's braintrust will find a way around it.

Thing is, I'm not sure that it is such a crisis. Since the UAA started play in 1987, there have been six D3 baseball tourneys (1988, 1990, 1991, 1995, 2008, and 2010) in which the league failed to have a representative in the field. However, there have been ten D3 baseball tourneys that have included multiple UAA teams (including the last two, and three of the last four), and three of those ten tourneys included three UAA teams. UAA softball is in even better shape than its baseball counterpart when it comes to the national D3 scene in that sport. Since the turn of the century, the league has been represented in every single D3 softball tourney. Only two of those tourneys (2000 and 2005) included just one UAA representative. Nine times in those sixteen years the UAA has managed to place three teams in the D3 softball tourney (including the last two tourneys, and three of the last four), and in 2007 a whopping four UAA teams made the D3 tournament. In other words, the UAA appears to be doing quite well on the diamond as far as postseason participation is concerned, even without autobids.

The bottom line is that the UAA is not going to break up simply because the league no longer has an automatic bid to the baseball and football playoffs.

Quote from: wally_wabash on June 18, 2015, 06:07:03 PMIf the UAA is creeping out onto the thin ice, I really don't think it has anything to do with football or baseball or money.  My guess is that it has a lot more to do with time and travel.  We've seen the division condense itself geographically over the last handful of years.  The UAA seems to be the lone holdout as far as geographically expansive conferences go in D-III.  I'd like to see the league continue on as is- it's unique and it's no doubt a special collection of universities.  As long as the powers that be there don't mind the travel, time, and expense involved in being a league so vast, have at it. 

I think that you're right. Clearly, money is no object where UAA travel is concerned. But the travel has always proved to be something of an academic obstacle for the UAA. The presence of proctors and tutors on UAA plane-and-hotel road trips ameliorates that somewhat, but I'm sure that there are faculty members and administrators on UAA campuses who still have misgivings about their student-athletes spending that much time away from campus. At this point, though, I haven't heard of any serious rumblings from any UAA school about exiting the league because of time and travel.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: cush on June 21, 2015, 10:31:44 AM
IF your flying is time/travel really that bad? 2-3 hours on a plans goes a lot further than a bus. I guess it does cost $ though but UAA school' have plenty of it + i thought they sold the cultural benefits of the travel. Heck, i like the UAA bringing in more far flung school's for the travel benefits. Trinity in Texas would be a great road trip and they have a huge endowment to cover travel. The other issue is where would UAA school's go if they dissolved the league?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 22, 2015, 08:20:46 AM
If the UAA dissolved, then CWRU and CMU might try to join the PAC for all sports (CWRU used to be a PAC member; it is now just a football affiliate).

If the UAA added a school, it would NOT be Trinity, simply because Trinity isn't a member of the AAU, and as I already mentioned, the UAA is the ONLY NCAA Conference at ANY level of competition that can boast of having ALL of its member schools as AAU affiliates (the Ivy League can't because of Dartmouth, and the B1G can't because of Nebraska).

We'd love to have Johns Hopkins back if we could (they left the UAA several years back; the UAA is now the "Egghead Eight," as opposed to the "Nerdy Nine" because of that).

In lieu of that, MIT would be a DREAM addition.  The UAA would truly be the "Nerdy Nine" if that happened.  Sadly, MIT doesn't appear to mind being in a football conference with other local D3 schools, even though none of MIT's football conference mates is anywhere close to being MIT's peer academically.

If either Tufts or Rensselaer were ever to attain AAU status, then each would be an attractive addition.

In my mind, if those two schools became AAU, we could add them to the UAA together with MIT, and then call Johns Hopkins back into the fold as well. 

That would essentially put all of the comprehensive, urban private research universities in Division III together in one "super" conference.

Such a conference would undoutedly be AQ in EVERY sport, including football.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 22, 2015, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: cush on June 21, 2015, 10:31:44 AMTrinity in Texas would be a great road trip and they have a huge endowment to cover travel.

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 22, 2015, 08:20:46 AMIf the UAA added a school, it would NOT be Trinity, simply because Trinity isn't a member of the AAU, and as I already mentioned, the UAA is the ONLY NCAA Conference at ANY level of competition that can boast of having ALL of its member schools as AAU affiliates (the Ivy League can't because of Dartmouth, and the B1G can't because of Nebraska).

The bigger issue with Trinity (TX) is much more basic than AAU membership, DS. Trinity (TX) isn't a research university; it's a small liberal arts college, just like its fellow SCAC members (and the vast majority of other D3 schools). It therefore isn't a good fit for the UAA for institutional reasons.

Johns Hopkins, Tufts, MIT, and RPI are all private research universities, and they thus fit the UAA model. I haven't heard that any of them are interested in joining the UAA, though, and I can speculate as to why. Even though JHU was a UAA member in the past, the thing about that school is that the athletic department is dominated by a sport -- men's lacrosse -- that the UAA doesn't offer. In fact, the Blue Jays were grandfathered in as a D1 men's lacrosse program when the NCAA rules were changed to force schools to play within their divisions in all sports that were sponsored by that particular school's division. JHU is a Big Ten men's lacrosse program, and it is now a Big Ten women's lacrosse program as well (I'm guessing that Title IX overrode the rule I just mentioned). I strongly suspect that lacrosse rules the roost at Johns Hopkins, including how the athletics budget is parceled out. Similarly, at RPI, another non-UAA sport -- hockey -- is king. The Engineers are D1 in both men's and women's hockey. As for Tufts, I can't imagine why the Jumbos would ever want to leave the NESCAC. Sure, the rest of the NESCAC members are small liberal arts colleges and Tufts is a research university, but they're great small liberal arts colleges; academically, they're easily on par with Tufts. In other words, Tufts is currently in very good company right where it is. For the Jumbos, the travel and expense of being a NESCAC member is much easier to handle than travel and expense would be in the UAA.

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 22, 2015, 08:20:46 AMThat would essentially put all of the comprehensive, urban private research universities in Division III together in one "super" conference.

No, it wouldn't. Caltech, a school that you didn't mention but which very much fits the UAA model, would be another ideal candidate for UAA membership. It's a highly-esteemed private research university, and it's an AAU member. The problem with Caltech, though, is that the school's administration is adamant about following an admissions model that makes it very difficult to recruit student-athletes of any competence. Caltech is a doormat (or very close to it) in every SCIAC sport, and the Beavers would fare even worse in the UAA, a league that is generally superior across the board to the SCIAC in terms of athletic competence.

MIT would be the ideal UAA candidate. But I haven't heard of any interest from that school in joining the UAA. (I've always been a bit surprised that MIT didn't try to follow in the path of Tufts by joining the NESCAC, seeing as how Tufts proves that a research university is welcome within that league's ranks.)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 22, 2015, 03:51:55 PM
Incidentally, as you said, neither Tufts nor RPI are members of the Association of American Universities -- and that is not a club that readily expands. Only two schools (Texas A&M in 2010 and Boston University in 2012) have joined the AAU within the past decade -- a decade in which two schools (Nebraska and Syracuse) were dropped from the AAU's ranks, albeit controversially. One of the two reasons cited for Nebraska's expulsion -- the lack of a medical school (the UN Medical Center, which is in Omaha, is considered a separate campus from UN-Lincoln) -- would adversely affect RPI, for instance. So I wouldn't expect that it's imminent for Tufts or RPI to have the AAU's red carpet rolled out for them.

As of now, Caltech, JHU, and MIT are the only D3 institutions that are not in the UAA that are members of the Association of American Universities.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on June 22, 2015, 04:01:06 PM
I think it's also important to be aware of the difference between endowments and budgets.  That a school has a bottomless pit of money from which to tap into doesn't mean that they will (or necessarily should).  I don't know all of the ins and outs as to why JHU took all of their sports and went to the CC or why Rochester decided to keep their football activities in the Northeast exclusively.  There are probably a handful of reasons why those things happened, but I'd be shocked if one of those reasons wasn't cost. 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 22, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on June 22, 2015, 04:01:06 PM
I think it's also important to be aware of the difference between endowments and budgets.  That a school has a bottomless pit of money from which to tap into doesn't mean that they will (or necessarily should).  I don't know all of the ins and outs as to why JHU took all of their sports and went to the CC or why Rochester decided to keep their football activities in the Northeast exclusively.  There are probably a handful of reasons why those things happened, but I'd be shocked if one of those reasons wasn't cost.

That's very true insofar as it goes, although the deep pockets of the alumni of UAA schools, which are a direct reflection of those huge endowments, would seem to indicate no lack of resources in that regard. I would have to think that at least a few UAA alumni have some sort of an interest in their alma mater's sports ... although perhaps I'm being optimistic in that regard.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 23, 2015, 05:10:37 PM
Another UAA expansion possibility that I just thought of is Worcester Polytechnic.  It's also a Division III private research university, although it is not an AAU member.

If Tufts, Renneslaer, and WPI were to all become AAU, perhaps we could invite them together with MIT.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on June 23, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
I can't speak for the other UAA members, but Wash-U has alumni that are very active and contribute to the athletic programs through the W Club.  Their generosity has paved the way for the Gary & Rachel Sumers Recreation Center...a 60,000 square-foot facility (completion date August of next year) that will tie into the existing Fieldhouse and greatly expand fitness opportunities for the entire student body and campus staff; along with providing more room for team locker rooms, meeting rooms, office space, and an expanded sports medicine suite.  In short, the W Club serves as the hub of the Department of Athletics...a very involved hub, reflected by Wash-U's nine straight years of finishing in the top-5 of the Learfield Cup standings.

I don't know anything about endowments, and how they are used or not used.  Those that grow into the billions of dollars don't do so by spending freely from them.  So, despite having a very healthy financial endowment, I suspect that Wash-U's administration pays close attention to its finances, and requires the Department of Athletics to stay within the constraints of a budget.

Therein lies part of the motivation to have the football program join the CCIW as an affiliate member.  Travel savings are a meaningful reason to seek a new affiliate arrangement beginning in 2018, along with the other reasons stated by the Wash-U press release that announced the future move of the football program to the CCIW.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 31, 2015, 11:12:37 AM
UAA preview.

http://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/files/15_UAA_Preseason_FB_Release.pdf
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 05, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Tough loss for the Spartans at Chicago, 31-30.  Missed PAT was the difference.

Cuda debuted with a line of 21-35-0-3-339 and led the team in rushing with 8-59.  He avoid the rush and was never sacked.`

WashU@StL beat CMU 45-24.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 05, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
Heartbreaking loss, but at least I now feel a little bit better about our prospects this season. 

I suspect that we can get to the five win or better mark.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 07, 2015, 06:45:13 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 05, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Tough loss for the Spartans at Chicago, 31-30.  Missed PAT was the difference.

Cuda debuted with a line of 21-35-0-3-339 and led the team in rushing with 8-59.  He avoid the rush and was never sacked.`

WashU@StL beat CMU 45-24.

Mark,

It was an entertaining game to watch. The offense seems much improved with good production from the QB position. It's unfortunate that the team couldn't put it away with a 2 TD lead going into the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 07, 2015, 07:13:57 AM
Glad you're still following the team. Did you go to the game?

Giving up td at the end of the half hurt too. With no experience at RB I hoped FBs would get more carries. Hope Cuda stays healthy. Freshman QB has a strong arm. He completed several 30 yd passes in the jv game.

How are things going with your son at Penn? Do the work Ivys have a TV deal this year?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: mustang on September 07, 2015, 05:46:30 PM
Yes, went to the game. My son and several of his class of 2012 teammates were in attendance. Was nice to see them again, they're a really good group of guys.

Penn is going well, new head coach and staff seem to have them stoked for a turnaround. My guy is a senior so this will be my last football season watching my kids play. Definitely bittersweet. As for TV NBC sports network and something called American Sports network are carrying games this season.

Here's hoping Case can build on the positives from Saturday and enjoy a successful season.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: thptrek on September 08, 2015, 08:28:12 AM
Cuda played very well for Case. He extended plays by eluding the rush and that led to several TDs.  Give Chicago credit for coming back from 14 down and then rallying after giving up a go ahead TD.  We (Chicago) had a new QB and he seemed to gain confidence as the game went on.  For an opening game both teams looked solid with the exception of the defenses giving up some big plays.

Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
Ironically each QB was 21-35. Cuda had more yards, while  Moser had 4 passing TDs to Cuda's 3, Cuda rushed for 79 and a TD.

Good luck to UChi in the SAA.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 16, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
Congrats to all UAA teams ending their seasons with winning records:

Carnegie Mellon -- 7-3 (2-1)
Washington U -- 6-4 (2-1)
Case Western Reserve -- 7-3 (1-2)
U Chicago -- 6-4 (1-2)
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:56:34 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.  Safe travels.  :-*
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
I wish all of you UAA'ers an enjoyable and blessed Thanksgiving Day today and great weekend.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on January 29, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
Any of you case guys see who the OC at EKU is? Former Spartan Angelo Mirando has made his way back to NCAA D1 coaching after in my estimation, "falling on the sword" at Mississippi State.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 04, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
HC is former Spartan Mark Elder
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: e_lee on February 06, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
I was not aware of that. Good to see guys helping (qualified)guys from their alma mater.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 06, 2016, 07:32:16 PM
Other former Spartans on the staff: Greg Meyer (RBs) and Tommy Zagorski (OT/TE).
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 14, 2016, 03:40:43 AM
As was being discussed on the PAC board, CMU's recent scheduling announcements seem to suggest that the UAA will cease to sponsor football.

It's a shame that the only conference in the entire NCAA in which every member is also a member of the AAU can't be a viable football conference.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 15, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
It was WUStL joining CCIW for football  that was the death knell for UAA football.  The SAA was never a good fit for them or Chicago.  To my knowledge Chicago still hasn't found a home.  I don't see NYU or Brandeis restarting football.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on March 16, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 15, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
It was WUStL joining CCIW for football  that was the death knell for UAA football.  The SAA was never a good fit for them or Chicago.  To my knowledge Chicago still hasn't found a home.  I don't see NYU or Brandeis restarting football.

I think you have to go further back than that.  IMO, when the NCAC went to a full round robin which had to cut out the UAA/NCAC games intermingled through October, that was probably the moment where a 4-team UAA wasn't going to last much longer.  CWRU had a year there where they only played 9 games and had to get games with schools in Texas, Oregon, Maryland, and Washington even to get to 9 games.  To say nothing of tournament access for the moment, putting together an independent schedule is next to impossible in the current landscape. 

It's unfortunate that the conference won't continue, but I think it was an inevitable byproduct of the current D-III football landscape.  I think the UAA schools have made the proper choice for the benefit of their student athletes to find affiliations that will guarantee them 10-game seasons and fair access to the postseason.   
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 04, 2016, 03:15:25 PM
CWRU released its 29 player class today.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20160504k9qagm

Lots of beef for the O-line.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 04, 2016, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 04, 2016, 03:15:25 PM
CWRU released its 29 player class today.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20160504k9qagm

Lots of beef for the O-line.

Indeed, that looks like some good sized linemen.  Do you know/have any inside information as to if any of them might be able to step in for playing time  and contribute immediately?  Despite being freshman, I think that would be a huge plus if they can.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 04, 2016, 11:38:52 PM
FWIW Strayer was 2nd team ne lakes district.

Clontz hm all-state
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2016, 04:34:35 AM
Check out the video on WR Austin Navarette from TX.

http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/clientrms/athletes/1503391?access_type=COACH_QUERY (http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/clientrms/athletes/1503391?access_type=COACH_QUERY)

Says he's 6'3", 200, and 4.5 sec. 40 time with a 32 on his ACT.

How does someone with those numbers not get picked up by a Stanford, Northwestern, or Duke?

In his video, he looks like a STUD!!!!

I hope we can figure out ways to get the ball in this guy's hands!  He looks DEADLY after the catch!
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Desertraider on May 05, 2016, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 05, 2016, 04:34:35 AM
Check out the video on WR Austin Navarette from TX.

http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/clientrms/athletes/1503391?access_type=COACH_QUERY (http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/clientrms/athletes/1503391?access_type=COACH_QUERY)

Says he's 6'3", 200, and 4.5 sec. 40 time with a 32 on his ACT.

How does someone with those numbers not get picked up by a Stanford, Northwestern, or Duke?

In his video, he looks like a STUD!!!!

I hope we can figure out ways to get the ball in this guy's hands!  He looks DEADLY after the catch!

He looks good - but he looks slow. I know looks can be deceiving but that video did not show his "speed". Aside from that his 2016 numbers were: 16 receptions, 141 yards and 3tds? That is an average of 1.6 catches a game for 14 yards. I think that is how Stanford, etc...didn't pick up on him.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on May 06, 2016, 04:18:58 AM
Then the 4.5 second 40 time must be either a lie, a mistake, or an exaggeration.

What would you assess his 40 time as, based on the videos?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 06, 2016, 08:56:27 AM
Puffery. Reported 40 times are notoriously unreliable.
Can't tell because he never runs 40 yds flat out. He doesn't run away from any DBs though.  Half his highlights are blocking.
I think he has the frame to become like Albers. But that's a high bar.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 06, 2016, 09:00:49 AM
Unless it says the time is electronically timed (as it may be at a camp) I always add 0.15-0.2 to times when I see them for HS kids.  I treat those times similar to height/weight listings on the roster...in the ballpark but probably not exactly right! 

One thing to keep in mind with that kid in particular though is that he's tall.  To me it always looks like tall kids are slow because of the stride length.  5'8" is always going to look faster than 6'3". 
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Finally it's official UChicago football returns to Midwest Conference.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/05/mwc-finally-confirms-chicago
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 04, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
Would love to see CWRU play WashU this season.  Since neither is likely to make the playoffs, could a quasi-UAA title game be created?  Or would that have to have been sanctioned by NCAA before the season, akin to ECAC bowls?  Could an annual game be created that would match the winners of Chicago-WashU (assuming that game continues to be played) vs the winner of CWRU-CMU, if neither is in the playoffs? I know that leaves Rochester out, so perhaps it would be the top two non-playoff teams.  Would CMU find that game more attractive than an ECAC bowl?
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
A postseason "bowl" game between the two best UAA schools not to get to the postseason would be incredibly cool.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 08, 2018, 08:37:31 AM
That would be cool... a UAA "Heritage Bowl"?  (Especially this season where CWRU and Wash U teams appear better than last season).   Logistics are of course an x-factor... with the distance between St. Louis and Cleveland.

Perhaps somewhere neutral in between  ?  Chicago, Indy, Louisville, Cincy?  These cities kind of work for Carnegie Mellon and Chicago too.
Title: Re: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2018, 12:12:17 PM
Don't see travel as an issue for on-campus game.  All UAA teams have reduced their travel since each found a football home.

As far as a neutral site, Indy is about as equidistant from all as any.  I can recall seeing a nice hs stadium from I-70 west side of Indy (perhaps Warren Central?)