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wally_wabash

Quote from: jam40jeff on December 15, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 15, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Consider it this way: in some hypothetical future season, if CWRU loses to WashU ("out-of-region") but goes 9-0 otherwise, they'll still win the PAC autobid.

There's no guarantee of that since the PAC won't be able to play a full round-robin.

I don't think this should be a huge concern.  The NCAC hasn't played a round robin in forever and we get it figured out without controversy.  I think with competent scheduling, the league can set it up so that the league championship is determined on the field by the best teams.  In 2005, Kenyon (without Wabash and Witt on their league schedule) went 6-1 in league play and nearly upset the apple cart but that's really the only time when the unbalanced schedule almost created an uncomfortable situation. 

I'm happy to see that the four UAA schools were able to find partners that gives them both a full and predictable 10-game schedule as well as Pool A access.  Best of luck to you all in the next chapter of your programs. 
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jam40jeff

Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 14, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
On the PAC board from August thru December 12 there were only 16 posts.

Yesterday and today there have been 23.

Thats what happens when one team has dominated the past three seasons.

There's still plenty of activity on the OAC boards.  Granted, it's 99.999999% Mount Union fans, though. :)

formerd3db

SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.
"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

SaintsFAN

Quote from: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.

I'm not sure they are talking about leaving the PAC..but this would be a good time to be, if they wanted to.  TMC has won most of the sports during the last two years in the PAC.. and the school is growing.  I seriously doubt the HCAC would let them in now, but it would be great if they did.
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ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2011, 02:35:02 PM
Incomplete thoughts --- They are trying to strengthen the schedule.  I know they've tried before, but I think the HCAC is a great fit for TMC.

OK, I see, two separate trains of thought there.

The SJF game is a good nonconference matchup (and the kind of thing that would be nice to see more of in Division III).

I know that the HCAC is a better fit for TMC, but I didn't think that was a realistic possibility.  Then again, I never had an inkling that CMU was going to re-affiliate with the PAC, so I guess you never know.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

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jknezek

Quote from: formerd3db on December 15, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
SaintsFAN and jknezek:

I have to join ExTartanPlayer in asking the question; if TMC is considering leaving the PAC, where, then, do you think their options are for going?  I can't imagine they would return to being an independent.  Obviously, - and SaintsFAN and I have discussed this with others many times - a logical choice would be the HCAC, however, with the past "animosity" there by several schools against TMC, I'm not sure that is an option. Unless, there has been some change in attitude by that league, of which I am not aware nor have heard anything in that regard (nor would I, since I'm obviously not associated with that conference).  Anyway, just curious as to your thoughts on this.

I have no answer to this. My point was from the other side, an 11 team conference is... odd. And I don't see the point of a 12 team conference in D3. That leads me to believe the PAC thinks someone is going to leave, otherwise why bother accepting 2 schools that you don't need?

Its not that I have any idea where TMC would go, I just think that if you look at the PAC and ask yourself, "which one of these things does not fit?" TMC is the answer from a geographic viewpoint and, if you look at how TMC has done, from an athletic standpoint as well (although I always go on record as saying punishing success by removing it is the wrong way to go!).

Anyway, I don't know. TMC might fit in the SAA? I'm not real familiar with TMC's academics but Cincinnati has to be closer to B-SC than B-SC is from Chicago! Or it could be another member the PAC is afraid of losing. The PAC is in a D3 rich environment, so most of those teams could be candidates for more than 1 conference. I don't have any thoughts or information that anyone else doesn't have, so my ponderings were just a WAG based on the fact that an 11 team conference is less than ideal.

formerd3db

You guys all make legit points and speculative considerations.  It is an interesting dilemma for those parties potentially involved.  Obviously, we'll just have to wait and see what transpires further, if anything.
"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: jknezek on December 15, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
I have no answer to this. My point was from the other side, an 11 team conference is... odd. And I don't see the point of a 12 team conference in D3. That leads me to believe the PAC thinks someone is going to leave, otherwise why bother accepting 2 schools that you don't need?

I understand that we're all just whistling in the dark here, but one more thing that's worth pointing out: going back down to 10 teams doesn't totally solve the "PAC-UAA" schedule problem, because the UAA schools still want to play their UAA rivals (which takes up two nonconference games).  I assume that the PAC could mandate a full round-robin, leaving CMU and CWRU to give up their games with Chicago and WashU, but that's another sticky issue.

From the broader picture: I think that jknezek has a good GENERAL point that the dust hasn't completely settled yet.  The SCAC refugees are still out there, Wesley's still floating around, et cet.  Almost like the whole merry-go-round that STILL hasn't stopped spinning in Division I right now, something tells me that by 2015 the "PAC" may have gained/lost another team, and that the 11-team format will never come to fruition anyway.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

mck99


ADL70

#2514
The first two recruits announced as coming to CWRU are 6'1 195 dual-threat QB, Taylor Scott, from Tallahassee

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/fl/tallahassee/leon-high-school/taylor-scott1

and a 5'9 205 FB, Adam Hochman, from Austin TX

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/142942/adam-hochman#athletics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naCNKsY5bc

It was reported on the basketball broadcast that this was a big recruiting weekend with a number of football prospects visiting campus.

Hope they got to look at the Wyatt Athletic Center plans that are nearing completion. A space comparable in size to the Thwing Ballroom will be devoted to cardiovascular equipment, with a moderately smaller room dedicated to weight-lifting and similar training machines.



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HA-WOO, HA-WOO, HA-WOO
Think beyond the possible.
Compete, Win, Respect, Unite

ADL70

Two more Southerners headed to Cleveland.

Logan Treece  6'1 230 [5'11.5 220]  Winter Park FL County All-Star C.

http://nationalunderclassmen.ning.com/profile/LoganTreece?xg_source=activity

Bryan Erb 6'2 200 Charlotte [NC] Country Day All-State WR/DB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfBjAmzYJU

There have been a couple of talented athletes named Erb at CWRU recently.  Esther Erb [track and xc] national champion 10,000M in 2008 and Eric Erb All-UAA soccer in 2011.  But neither is from NC.
SPARTANS...PREPARE FOR GLORY
HA-WOO, HA-WOO, HA-WOO
Think beyond the possible.
Compete, Win, Respect, Unite

ADL70

There is speculation over on the NWC football board that Linfield may be playing @ CWRU in 2013, since they lost a game when George Fox moved back the start of football to 2014.
SPARTANS...PREPARE FOR GLORY
HA-WOO, HA-WOO, HA-WOO
Think beyond the possible.
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wildcat11

ADL70,

Here is your confirmation.

Linfield Football Head Coach Joseph Smith was talking with the ADvantage 'Catdome (Linfield football fan blog) about the 2012 schedule and he broke the news that the 'Cats will be playing at CWRU in 2013.  I'm looking forward to the trip out.

http://catdomealumni.blogspot.com/2012/03/talking-2012-with-linfields-top-cat.html

D O.C.

And that means HERE WE ARE!

Sure I know it's 18 months away but that's 18 months of exuberance we have to share.
Kudos to the AD and staff for bailing us out and giving us a game.

ADL70

CWRU NEWS

Dan Whalen signs with Orlando Predators

AD Dave Diles is one of final three candidates for NMich AD

Adams, English, and Opperman selected to play in OFC/ONG Senior Bowl on 4/14

First Ohio commiment reported:

Ravenna's Christopher Sanders 6'1, 210 TE/DE/LB

http://profiles.berecruited.com/athletes/movies/571696

Another from NC, Clayton's Cody Powell   6'1, 260 OL

http://www.claytonnewsstar.com/2012/03/24/1956565/lifelong-gridder-headed-to-ohio.html

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/191759/cody-powell


Then there's this interesting thread with discussion from the parent of a prospective player:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1308477-how-much-do-parents-high-efc-weigh-merit-aid.html
SPARTANS...PREPARE FOR GLORY
HA-WOO, HA-WOO, HA-WOO
Think beyond the possible.
Compete, Win, Respect, Unite