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Ralph Turner

Quote from: HSC85 on November 08, 2008, 06:38:33 PM
Will the win by HSC at Huntingdon be enough to get some attention as a pool C candidate?
I think we will see where HSC is in the regional rankings on Wednesday.   ;)

Trinity fell out of contention.  That helps.  I think that the South gets one Pool C bid, HSU.

I need to see the Regional rankings to figure all 6.  There were so many losses this week.

Ralph Turner

SJF has the tie-breaker over Ithaca, if SJF beats Alfred next week.

Ithaca will be 8-1 (East Region) going into the Cortaca Game.

Ralph Turner

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East Region
1. Cortland State  NJAC 8-0 8-0 9-0 9-0  Beat Brockport St 42-30
2. RPI LL 7-0 7-0 7-1 7-1 Lost to Hobart 20-17
3. Ithaca E8 6-1 7-1  7-1 8-1 Beat Alfred 45-35
4. Montclair State NJAC7-1 7-1  8-1 8-1 Beat Rowan 30-14
5. Rowan NJAC 7-1 7-1  7-2 7-2  Lost to Montclair St 30-14
6. Hartwick E8 6-1 6-1 6-2 6-2  Lost to Springfield 45-31
7. Hobart LL 6-1 6-1  7-1 7-1  Beat RPI 20-17 (Clinches with a win over Rochester)
8. Plymouth State 7-1 8-1  8-1 9-1 Beat Salve Regina 34-7 Plays Maine Maritime in NEFC Bowl next week
9. Husson 6-0 6-2   7-0 7-2 Beat Becker Pool B
10. Curry NEFC 7-1 8-1  8-1 9-1  Beat Mass Dartmouth 40-20

St John Fisher clinches the E8 bid if they beat Alfred next week.
Albright clinches the MAC with a win over Del Valley.

North Region
1. Mount Union  OAC 7-0 8-0  8-0 9-0 Beat Otterbein 49-20
2. North Central  CCIW (Ill.) 8-0 8-0  9-0 9-0Beat Augustana 41-28
3. Otterbein OAC 8-0 8-0  8-1 8-1 Lost to MUC 49-20
4. Wabash  NCAC 7-0 8-0  8-0 9-0 Beat Hiram 63-0
5. Trine  MIAA 8-0 8-0       9-0 9-0  Beat Adrian 9-0
6. Case Western Reserve 7-0 8-0   8-0 9-0 Beat Carnegie Mellon  38-13  Pool B
7. Franklin  HCAC 6-1 7-1  7-1 8-1   Beat Manchester 31-20
8. Adrian MIAA 6-1 7-1    6-2 7-2 Lost to Trine 9-0
9. Augustana CCIW 6-2 6-2  6-3 6-3  Lost to North Central 41-28
10. Wooster NCAC 4-2 6-2    Beat Oberlin 27-7

Northern Athletics Conference -- Aurora can clinch by beating Lakeland

South Region
1. Millsaps  SCAC 7-0 8-0  8-0  9-0 Beat Colorado College
2. Muhlenberg  CC 8-0 8-0   9-0 9-0 Beat Ursinus
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor  ASC 6-0 7-1 7-0 8-1  Beat Howard Payne
4. Hardin-Simmons ASC 7-1 7-1 8-1 8-1  Beat McMurry 45-20
5. Thomas More  PresAC 7-1 7-1 7-2 7-2  Lost to Geneva
6. Huntingdon 7-0 8-0  7-1 8-1  Lost to Hampden-Sydney 38-34  Pool B
7. Trinity (Texas) SCAC 6-1 7-1  6-2 7-2 Lost to Centre
8. Washington and Jefferson Pres AC 6-1 7-1  7-1 8-1 Beat Bethany
9. Catholic ODAC 6-1 7-1  7-1 8-1 Beat Guilford 49-34 Can clinch by beating Bridgewater VA
10. Wesley 3-1 6-1  3-1 7-1 Beat Lake Erie  Pool B

CNU plays Ferrum for the USA South Pool A bid.

West Region
1. Willamette NWC 7-0 8-0  8-0 9-0 Beat UPS 49-27
2. Occidental  SCIAC 7-0 7-0  Beat Pomona-Pitzer 64-33
3. Monmouth MWC 9-0 9-0  10-0 10-0 Beat Knox 56-10
4. UW-Stevens Point WIAC 4-1 7-1  5-1 8-1 Beat UWEC 21-20.  Can clinch by beating UWLacrosse
5. UW-Whitewater WIAC 6-1 7-1 7-1 8-1 Beat UW-Stout 17-10
6. Redlands SCIAC 6-1 6-1  7-1 Beat Chapman 21-7
7. Northwestern (Minn.) 8-1 8-1  Open date  Pool B
8. St. John's MIAC 6-2 6-2  7-2 7-2  Beat Augsburg 28-21  Plays Carleton for MIAC championship next week
9. Gustavus Adolphus MIAC6-2 6-2 Lost St Olaf's 27-20 2OT
10. Linfield NWC 4-2 5-2 4-2 5-3 Lost to Western Oregon 17-9

Wartburg 8-2 8-2 clinched the Iowa IAC today


Clinched in bold

Corrections are appreciated.

Ralph Turner

Here are the first 6 that I see.

Otterbein -- North
HSU -- South
Montclair State -- East
UW-Whitewater -- West

Redlands SCIAC
E8 vs LL runner-up Ithaca vs RPI.

HSC85

Ralph,

Does each region get at least one pool C bid?  The other question that I have is that Redlands has such a low OWP and OOWP vs. HSC does that make any difference in your selections.  W&J also has a week OWP and OOWP.    I am new to this at large playoff situation.  I see the criteria and I see the strength of schedule and I don't understand why some teams are given such good regional respect when they have such a weak schedule.  Thank you for being understanding of my lack of knowledge.

Pat Coleman

There is no minimum or maximum number of Pool C bids per region, no.
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redswarm81

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 08:50:00 PM
Here are the first 6 that I see.

Otterbein -- North
HSU -- South
Montclair State -- East
UW-Whitewater -- West

Redlands SCIAC
E8 vs LL runner-up Ithaca vs RPI.

That E8/Ithaca v. LL/RPI domino could wreak quite a bit of havoc when it tumbles.

Ithaca needs to beat Cortland to stay in Pool C.  If they succeed, then with no undefeated teams (save undefeated-in-Division Husson), the East Region surely gets an out-of-Region top seed.

The Husson possibility adds another wrinkle.  If Muhlenberg  is imported as a no. 1 seed, and Husson is seeded no. 8 in its bracket, the NCAA mileage calculator puts the two schools 541 miles apart.  Seems a no-brainer to have nos. 7 (Plymouth St?) and 8 (Husson?) swap places for first round matchups.

But it gets freakier.  If Muhlenberg (or Mount Union, for that matter) is imported to the East Regional bracket, that leaves only 7 slots for East teams in that bracket.  Five of those are Pool A bids:


  • Empire 8
  • Liberty League
  • Middle Atlantic Conference
  • New Jersey Athletic Conference
  • New England Football Conference

If Husson sneaks in as a Pool B, then only one Pool C goes out--and judging by the Regional Rankings, Montclair St. is the likeliest suspect.
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Ralph Turner

What a Cortaca Jug game!

Please correct me, but I have seen some great webcasts on the Ithaca College network!  Will that network be up for this game?

If there is no "top seed" in the East, then Muhlenberg and CWRU can be moved into the East very easily.


theoriginalupstate

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
What a Cortaca Jug game!

Please correct me, but I have seen some great webcasts on the Ithaca College network!  Will that network be up for this game?

If there is no "top seed" in the East, then Muhlenberg and CWRU can be moved into the East very easily.



If Cortland and SJF wins could you make a case for CWRU or the OAC runner up being imported to fill out the bracket as a #2 seed?

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Upstate on November 08, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
What a Cortaca Jug game!

Please correct me, but I have seen some great webcasts on the Ithaca College network!  Will that network be up for this game?

If there is no "top seed" in the East, then Muhlenberg and CWRU can be moved into the East very easily.



If Cortland and SJF wins could you make a case for CWRU or the OAC runner up being imported to fill out the bracket as a #2 seed?

Greetings, upstate!

I got fooled by the E8 getting three bids in 2007, so I may not be the best guess of what is happening in the East.

Who else are in the Cortland bracket?

East

NJAC -- Cortland
E8 -- SJF
Pool B1 -- CWRU
Pool C6 -- RPI


MAC -- Albright
LL -- Hobart
Pool C2 -- Montclair State
NEFC -- Plymouth State

South

CC -- Muhlenberg
ODAC --
USA South --
Pool B2 -- Wesley

SCAC -- Millsaps
Pool B3 -- Huntingdon/LaGrange
ASC -- UMHB
Pool C3 -- HSU

North

OAC -- MUC
MIAA -- Trine
HCAC -- Wabash
Pool C1 -- Otterbein

HCAC -- Franklin
Pres AC -- TMC
Northern AC --
CCIW -- NCC

West

NWC -- Willamette
IIAC -- Wartburg
SCIAC -- Oxy
Pool C4  -- Redlands

WIAC -- UWSP
MIAC -- SJU?
MWC -- Monmouth
Pool C5  - UWW

Hmmm ...

I still think that RPI gets the second Pool C bid from the East if Ithaca doesn't.

redswarm81

I think you're right about the RPI/Ithaca connection, and I think you're doubly right about what a Cortaca Jug game it will be!
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HSC85

Can you please explain what RPI and or Ithaca have over HSC except that they were in the Regional Rankings this past week.  HSC has a strength of schedule rank if 10 and RPI is 123 and Ithaca is 64.  If Huntingdon gets a pool B bid then HSC will have a win over a playoff team and those teams won't.  Their loss was to a conference champion with one loss.  RPI would have this but Ithaca would not.  Where does the evaluation favor those two teams?

Ralph Turner

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The NCAA Handbook is very specific about the criteria that can be used for the selection of the playoff.

Selection Criteria begins on Page 12.

Also note that the Primary criteria uses the word "results" and not "record".

The "Playoff team" wording is not in the 2008 Handbook.  (I am not sure when the last time was that it was used, and I don't have the time to research it.   :-\)

HSC is good, and they got a nice win over Huntingdon.  However, there are only 6 Pool C bids, and I can see Otterbein, Montclair State, HSU and UWW being on the table before HSC even gets a look.  When HSU comes off the table, then HSC may get a chance.   :)

HScoach

Don't cement Otterbein into Poll C just yet.  They have to travel to John Carroll this week which will not be a pushover.  If JCU comes ready to play, then that game could be a good one as JCU has a very good rush defense.  Otterbein should win, but it's not like they're finishing the season with Marietta. 
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: hscoach on November 09, 2008, 09:09:12 AM
Don't cement Otterbein into Poll C just yet.  They have to travel to John Carroll this week which will not be a pushover.  If JCU comes ready to play, then that game could be a good one as JCU has a very good rush defense.  Otterbein should win, but it's not like they're finishing the season with Marietta. 
Yeah, that's a fair assessment.

A one-loss Otterbein deserves a Pool C bid.  A two-loss Otterbein falls back into the shuufle. :)