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Title: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Andrew Wagner on July 27, 2005, 03:52:04 pm
Not going to be Classen (Mr. Downtown, at least spell the guy's name right ... he IS in the UWO Hall of Fame). He's too busy after stealing the boys' gig at PiHiXI
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 27, 2005, 04:44:39 pm
He is?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on July 27, 2005, 06:36:40 pm
I heard (very reliably) that the official word is coming that Schumacher is the next UWO coach.  I wish her the best!

I must say, I thought that Betthauser was an excellent candidate, and I wish her the best of luck as well.

Lets see if the ladies can rally around the new boss!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 28, 2005, 12:26:29 am
You know, they are getting pretty late with this choice. If they do know who it is, why don't they announce already?

If Schumacher is the new coach, I'm sure that would make the Oshkosh commmunity happy, to see that the coach who took Oshkosh West and made them a powerhouse in the state, is taking over at the top level in the city. Who knows, perhaps more people in Oshkosh (outside of campus) will pay attention.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 28, 2005, 02:09:46 pm
UWO's athletic website is down for a bit after some storm damage has turned Kolf into a disaster zone. And, witht the way they've been doing things lately, if the Northwestern sports department printed that today was Thursday, I'd believe it was Sunday.
Title: WIAC
Post by: gustiesoaps on July 29, 2005, 06:09:50 pm
It is official!

Terri Schumacher will be the new Titans coach:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/


Good luck to her!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 30, 2005, 09:50:12 pm
Now, Schumacher has to find out who is actually going to be on the team.

Here is Oshkosh's projected starting line up

F: Herrick
F: Tyriver
G: O'Keef
G: Eggers
G: Knapp

This is a pretty good starting 5. However...some players that i have talked to awhile ago didn't really know if some of the girls were going to come back and play. Most of these girls were on the bench, so Schumacher is going to weed through the walk-ons and complete the rest of the team.

So, this offseason, the starting 5 has to be in the best condition of their lives, because they might have to play 33-35 minutes a game.  

On the hiring, I'm not quite sure if Schumacher is going to help this team win now, but I have so much confidence in her to make this program better. Just because the one knock on Oshkosh was recuirtment. Last year, one player (Oshkosh West Tyriver), and of course Eggers transferring. With Schumacher coming in, and being a top notch Womens High School Basketball coach in Wisconsin, and in the FVA conference, UWO wont be losing the best talent in the Fox Valley to other schools. Which can only strengthen the program down the road.

This year, I have no idea who Oshkosh is bringing in. Perhaps Voice of the Titans or Titan2000 know. But Schumacher has a lot of work to do to get this team ready.  

I believe she will bring UWO back to the national tournament. Though, I'm not convinced if its going to be this year. However, these girls were once number 1 in the nation last year. Maybe they will regain that form this year.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 31, 2005, 12:48:05 am
I'm still waiting for word on what the "birdies" have to say......

As head of the WBCA the past few years, Schumacher knows nearly every HS coach in the state. I see recruiting as no problem whatsoever. But, then again, birdies could tell us different.......
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on July 31, 2005, 10:36:18 am
I have no ideas on who they have recruited for 2005.  I wish her well.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 02:15:18 pm
Here is a link to the Oshkosh Northwestern... There are 4 articles on the Schumacher hire under headlines form July 30.

The Larry Grahm article is quite scathing...  I think there is going to be considerable pressure on her to do well.  Best of luck
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 02, 2005, 06:07:23 pm
In the past few months, Graham has looked to burn any bridge that is out there. The Northwestern better send somebody else to UWO games, cause there might not be many quotes if Larry's there.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 06:16:46 pm
sorry, here is the link!

http://www.wisinfo.com/northwestern/sports/pastheadlines.shtml
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 02, 2005, 07:09:31 pm
I understand that Oshkosh fans/media/critics are very hard at times on their teams. But this is why Graham is wrong.

Coach Schumacher has won a STATE TITLE. She was the head of all women’s basketball coaches.

(Shakes head)

I know that I have said some pretty stupid things, granted a lot of people have. Though, how can you bash her before she even starts! Honestly, where was the Coach Ruder bashing? I mean c’mon, look at last year. Oshkosh was number 1, and then one loss. Yeah, it was a very bad loss to Stout (88-58, @home), but all of a sudden, we saw a totally different starting lineup. Then another one, and another, and another, and another, and another...

And...I keep bringing this up...Where is the recruiting class?!?!?!? I understand that a lot of the recruiting is done by the assistants. Though it has to be the head coach that persuades them to suit up in the Gold and Black. Evidently, the past couple of seasons, Ruder didn't do that enough.  

Now, no one knows who is coming back to the team.

No one knows the new class of basketball players, if any.

And we have only one player to bump up from last year, and she was starting at the end of the year (Tyriver).

So instead of pointing out why Oshkosh "deserves better", he should have pointed out that how hard of a job Schumacher is going to have to clean up the mess that Ruder left behind. In my honest opinion, if Ruder didn't leave, we would have seen possibly one of the worse seasons Oshkosh has had in quite sometime. Just because talking to players during the past season, it was really going downhill fast. It was the PLAYERS that got them to the conference tourney championship game against Stout. Not COACHING.  

(Sighs)

Now that I have voiced my opinion, I hope Schumacher finds a way to beat Stout, and finds a way to get these girls to the dance. So I can go the practice fields, shoot down a crow, and serve to Graham.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 02, 2005, 09:41:45 pm
Graham sure seems mean-spirited, maybe ome of the Lady Titans will punch him out :-)
Title: WIAC
Post by: Andrew Wagner on August 03, 2005, 03:40:24 am
Who will join on as assistants?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 03, 2005, 06:34:50 am
Downtown~

You make some very interesting and bold points, and I think it makes sense. However, I think the point of the article isn't so much that Schumacher is a bad choice... just that given the candidates, not the best choice.

That is a pretty arbitrary statement, because there is no way to factually back it up.  Apparently, the powers that be at 'Skosh thought she was the best candidate, and they have the most information.  So... lets hang on for the ride and give Terri some support!
Title: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 05, 2005, 02:01:12 pm
After an exhaustive national search, bucking the gender trend and just in the nick of time UW-Superior announces they have hired Superior Senior High School basketball coach, Craig Morrissey, as the interim head women's basketball coach.  

That makes both the men and women's head coaches interim hires.  No offense intended but you have wonder why people take jobs in which it appears they have no administrative support.  Do the powers to be give two hoots about what happens with their athletic programs at Superior?  

If this was the hockey program would they treat it this way?

(Message edited by WARHAWKGUY on August 5, 2005)
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 05, 2005, 02:56:23 pm
Isn't UW Superior itself interim?  I think it gets shut down in a year or two.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 05, 2005, 04:33:22 pm
You know what, I wouldn't pass on that idea Titan 2000. I'm sure that'll give the state government even more reason to cut funding towards the state's education.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 07, 2005, 12:11:10 pm
Downtown:

It's been discussed for years, its in the public record.  There is capacity in the state and not many people want to access it in Siberia, oops I mena Superior.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2005, 05:23:08 pm
I remember reading over the summer there was a proposal to combine, at least in part, UW-Superior and UM-Duluth. Not sure how serious that is, and I know that it was only someone's idea.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 07, 2005, 08:01:22 pm
If that were to happen, it would be the ultimate UW-Canada team, taking over the title from Stout.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 07, 2005, 09:47:10 pm
Discussion of closing UW-Superior has been going on for years--30 or more. It wouldn't make sense to close it and leave clusters of schools in other parts of the state--it would be easier to absorb a River Falls into Stout and Eau Claire and LaCrosse, for example. Now, if they suggest getting rid of the 'external' chancellor--who only shows up to glad hand at university functions and is otherwise suspiciously absent--the state would be solving MANY problems in one fell swoop, budget not being the least of them. Another rumor that makes more sense, however, is for UW-S to drop out of the WIAC and join the conference that includes St Scholastica, Northland College and the other smaller colleges and university for athletics. I suppose that would make all you flatlanders pretty happy. I just heard Menomonie as being in the far north of Wisconsin. That leaves about a third of the state in what?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 08, 2005, 11:46:10 am
Canada.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 08, 2005, 01:18:03 pm
Do they get paid better there? Heck, they get paid better in Minnesota...Wisconsin could solve a lot of budget woes by signing over UW-W and UW-P to Illinois and Iowa, respectively; UW-RF, UW-Stout, UW-Superior, UW-LAX and UW-EC to Minnesota; if they only had to fund Stevens Point and Oshkosh, they (State of Wisconsin) could claim one of smallest university systems in the country and wash their hands of some big expenses. And revenues.

The thing about Superior intermin coaches, as I see it, is that it might take the women's coach--formerly an assistant high school coach--a little time to adjust to the speed and physical nature of the game. Superior was finally getting numbers on its women's team, and now this. If this were intentional mismanagement it couldn't have been managed better.
Title: WIAC
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 08, 2005, 01:28:30 pm
I have been following this discussion between you two and I must say you guys are making me laugh out loud. :-) Let's see now..You guys have it at UW-Canada, UW-Minnesota, UW-Iowa and UW-Illinois. Leaving Point and Oshkosh to play each other every time. I guess that makes the scheduling easy!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 08, 2005, 01:55:42 pm
Hey, we in Oshkosh want to be Wisconsin State, so us students can stop paying up the butt in tution hikes thanks to UW-Madison!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 09, 2005, 09:32:42 am
You (in Oshkosh) just might be close enough to form some kind of long-distance tie with Michigan. If the University of Phoenix can be all over the world, Michigan could jump the lake and sink it's wolverine toes in the southeast corner of Wisconsin. Take that Bucky--or in the case of (neanderthal language) women's sports--Buckettes. I'm afraid UW-SP will have to stick it out by themselves, but then they've long thought they were in a class by themselves, anyway.  

Watch what you say about UW-Madison; it's probably the only school in the system that actually turns a profit. It does huge business in grants and corporate sponsorships. Wringing the life out of students through tuition hikes is just for fun.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 09, 2005, 11:31:05 am
I cannot comment on UW Stevens Point or Mr. Coleman will be upset.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 09, 2005, 10:47:02 pm
lol, you are probably right foulanguage, you are probably right :-)
Title: WIAC
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 10, 2005, 08:12:04 am
Foul, You have been clever enough to place every school in the WIAC with another state (or country) except for Point. Now, I know the geographical restraints of dealing with Point, but somehow I know you will come up with a solution to this final piece of the puzzle.  
Perhaps shutting 'er down and making a brewery out of it? Or maybe a prison? :-)
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 10, 2005, 11:38:23 am
I have long thought that the answer to UW system budget woes is to declare all the campuses to be prisons, since corrections gets all the $ it asks for, whether for building maintenance or salaries. However, turning Point into the educational arm of Point Brewery might be a better solution (no pun intended, or maybe it is). The only other suggestion is to haul out that old plan to lop off the top third of Wisconsin, stitch it to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and form the State of Superior. I don't know how UW-SP fares under such a deal, but it has some potential to get it off (what's left of) Wisconsin's books.

Read in the Milwaukee J-S that three of UW-Madison's professors are pulling down salaries after criminal convictions--one already serving time in prison. Maybe the university to prison idea isn't all that far-fetched or difficult to accomplish.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on August 16, 2005, 08:54:03 pm
Cool  :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on August 17, 2005, 10:03:57 pm
I heard Ted Van Dellen was going to help with the ladies Titans in his spare time.

 :o ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on September 07, 2005, 11:49:50 am
Anyone know what players are/aren't coming back for the Titans (besides graduated seniors)?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: oshfan on September 29, 2005, 05:11:58 pm
erty
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on October 12, 2005, 11:35:51 am
erty

Very insightful Oshfan.

Actually, I know that they will only have 6 returners:

O'Keefe - SR
Herrick - SR
Fehring - SR
Eggers - SR
Knqpp - JR
Tyriver - SO


They lost Rosicky, Holler, Turtenwald to graduation - Mader and Kerczan quit the team.

Not sure about their incoming class.  Seems to this fan that they are in a down year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 12, 2005, 02:26:52 pm
Looks like both good and bad news for UWO.  The good news is they return all their good, experienced players.  The bad news looks like the team has little depth, especially in the post.   The starting 5 should be tough, but then there's a drop off after that.

After last season, I thought UWO would probably win conference this upcoming year.  But as of now, conference is up in the air.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 19, 2005, 03:04:27 pm
UW-Oshkosh has posted their pre-season roster.  I don't see any names among the newcomers that causes me to sit up and take notice.  Could be a 6-person rotation for the Titans.

No.  Name Pos. Hgt. Yr. Hometown (High School)
11 Kelly O'Keef** G 5-10 Sr. Shorewood (Whitefish Bay Dominican)
14 Shannon Eggers* G 5-11 Sr. Council Bluffs, Iowa (Lewis Central)
20 Becky Knapp** G 5-6 Jr. West Allis (Hale)
22 Whitney Tyriver* G 6-0 So. Oshkosh (West)
34 Pam Fehring*** F 5-11 Sr. Hartford (Hartford Union)
42 Brittany Herrick*** F 6-0 Sr. Appleton (Xavier)
  Jessica Abitz G 5-10 Fr. Franksville (Shoreland Lutheran)
  Amanda Bauman G 5-8 Fr. Marion
  Amanda Dempsey G 5-10 Fr. West Allis (Central)
  Beth Garman G 5-10 Fr. Lake Mills
  Danielle Heroux G 5-7 Fr. Oshkosh (North)
  Becky Roberts G 5-6 Fr. Bessemer, Mich. (Johnston)
  Erin Willkom G 5-7 Fr. Marshfield
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on October 20, 2005, 06:17:39 am
WOW, what a change for the lady Titans.
I am going out on a limb and giving Brittany Herrick preseason POY props. She's a legit WIAC baller, now if she can stay healthy and have enough stamina to stay on the court. 
Mader was a big piece to the UWO frontcourt puzzle and now they have to rely on Pam Fehring in the post. eek.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 20, 2005, 01:56:19 pm
Only 2 posts (Herrick, Fehring), with only Herrick getting regular playing time from last year.  OUCH.  UWO better hope no injuries nor foul trouble happen to these two this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 21, 2005, 03:03:57 pm
Here's a couple more rosters to tide us over until opening day:

UW-River Falls: http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.roster.2006.html
As usual, two of the three new kids are from Minnesota, so their recruiting class will remain a mystery until play begins.

UW-Stevens Point: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006roster.htm
Looks like SP has put two decent recruiting classes together, whcih will be important since they are a bit thin on Juniors and Seniors. Nelson, a D-II transfer, could be an important piece.  I remember her from her high school days.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on October 23, 2005, 12:41:43 pm
Only 2 posts (Herrick, Fehring), with only Herrick getting regular playing time from last year.  OUCH.  UWO better hope no injuries nor foul trouble happen to these two this year.

Time will tell about the Titans this season.  Does anybody know much about these recruits? I think one of the better recruiting classes has to be Point.  The DeForest kid will be one of the leagues great players by the time she is a senior and the kid from Hurley isn't bad either.  They will be a good class!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 25, 2005, 02:34:22 pm
Another bunch of rosters have popped up in the last few days:

UW-Eau Claire: http://www.uwec.edu/Athletics/wbkb/0506/roster_num.htm
Muggenborg is a huge pickup for the Blugolds.  She could be in the starting lineup from Day 1.  The freshman appear to be a deep and strong class (and large! 10 of them!).

UW-La Crosse: http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/
Speaking of freshmen, the Eagles have 12! (Although I'm pretty sure Fall played at UWEC, so I doubt she's actually a freshman.) Hunter is a real steal for them. Maybe LC finally gets out of the bottom half of the league...next year.

UW-Platteville:  http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/05-06/roster.html
A very typical Platteville recruiting class, some decent kids, but no real standouts. They will always work hard and be tough to beat though.

That leaves just Stout, Superior and Whitewater without a new roster posted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 25, 2005, 03:09:54 pm
Looks like Just Bill barely beat me at posting the UWEC roster.  To add to what he posted, UWEC with just 2 seniors (Becker, Van Drasek) and no juniors.  A lot of freshman on the roster.  In my opinion, from looking at their high school careers, newcomers to watch are Rachel Muggenborg, Heidi A., & Brit. Hakanson.   Also, Heather Witt was listed as one of the Fab 40 high school seniors by WBBY magazine(I haven't seen her play).  In addition, one or two of the tall girls should get some PT because all EC has coming back in the center position is Van Drasek. 

Fall played 2 years ago as a freshman for UWEC.  She actually was the leading scorer in the Blue-Gold game.  In that game she showed good poise and quickness around the basket.  I was a bit surprised she didn't play more her freshman year.  The only "knock" I could find on her was she was undersized for playing underneath the hoop.  If she improves her outside shooting, she could be a good WIAC player.

My total guess at starting 5 for EC:

R. Becker
Muggenborg
Heidi A
Burns
Van Drasek

It looks like they will have some decent backups when you consider they lost 5 seniors last year.  In my opinion, on paper this is Englund's best recruiting class.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 27, 2005, 01:44:53 pm
Another roster:

UW-Whitewater: http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.cfm
Goodness!  Another enormous crop of freshmen.  Can't anyone retain kids anymore?  I don't have a lot of knowledge about this class, but they will be necessary to support the starting five.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 27, 2005, 04:26:17 pm
Kluch, my friend. You are crazy...

Lets not forget Duoss in Stout. I am a huge fan of Herrick and love her to death. Until she shows she can beat her down low. Duoss is still the biggest factor in this conference.

Anyone else think Stout is the preseason number 1??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 27, 2005, 04:34:36 pm
Mr. Downtown,

Stout can be really outstanding if Douss toughens up a little.

The Devils play at Marquette and then two D-2 schools, Minnesota State-Mankato and St. Cloud State,  before matching up with arch rival Eau Claire in the conference opener.

One thing is always for sure with the women Devils, they will run and they will pressure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 03, 2005, 04:12:10 pm
Here is the SID's preseason prediction poll:

1. Stout
2. Oshkosh
3. Stevens Point
4. Eau Claire
5. River Falls
6. Whitewater
7. La Crosse
8. Platteville
9. Superior

I think EC has been underrated and OSH overrated.  I also think LC is a little too low and RF is a little too high.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 03, 2005, 04:26:04 pm
JB,

 I guess I would switch Point and Oshy, but wow what a horserace after that. Thanks for the post!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 03, 2005, 11:21:39 pm
The Blu-Gold game was tonight.  A lot of new faces this year.  Van Drasek played the best that I have seen her.  A couple newcomers who played really well were Britanni Hakanson and Heather Witt.  Hankanson did her damage inside and outside and Witt gives 110% on the court.  Many other newcomers played good.  It looks like Englund brought in some good size also.  And I guess Kristi Channing is going to help out the team this year after she gets done playing on Athletes In Action.

I have to give props to Englund and Moline for their hard work.  These two women have "class" and it reflects right on the basketball program.  Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about the mens program(head coach) at UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 04, 2005, 12:32:25 am
Buf -

Good recap of the 'Golds intrasquad game. Not much to add... With the band, dancers and cheerleaders/stunts groups, the place was really rocking, considering it was just an intrasquad game....

And I agree that Coach Englund and staff is class, and her program reflects it...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 04, 2005, 01:36:04 pm
Quote
I think EC has been underrated and OSH overrated.  I also think LC is a little too low and RF is a little too high.

To be honest, I agree that EC and Lax are too low after being at Media Day.

However Oshkosh really deserves to be #2 just because Stevens Point this year has nobody down low right now, and their plan of action is to have their guards post up.

Hmm...guards against Herrick/Duoss/Becker. Yeah, not going to be pretty.

Stevens Point is your overrated team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 04, 2005, 03:21:01 pm
Downtown,

Who is Larry Graham at the Oshkosh Northwestern?  What a dope.  "Becky" O'Keefe?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on November 04, 2005, 06:18:52 pm
Alright, here's my power rankings on the ladies side of things after sitting in on Media Day.

1. Stout
2. Eau Claire
3. Oshkosh
4. La Crosse
5. Stevens Point
6. Whitewater
7. Platteville
8. River Falls
9. Superior
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 05, 2005, 01:18:15 pm
Downtown,

Who is Larry Graham at the Oshkosh Northwestern?  What a dope.  "Becky" O'Keefe?

Saw that. Shook my head, but that's the Northwestern for you at times. Maybe they're concentrating too hard on their High School fantasy football teams.
Title: Karma Karma Karma Chameleon
Post by: titan2000 on November 06, 2005, 05:11:05 pm
I need your karma points.  Pat is randomly adding to my totals.   He just doesn't know that I know.  Please help get me going in the right direction.

Downtown and voft, I just gave you each one.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 06, 2005, 07:54:41 pm
I have no idea how to give "karma" on here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2005, 06:23:22 pm
voft,

That's because you can't vote karma 'til you have more posts (200, I think).

Titan2000,

In almost every case I've seen, those who beg for karma almost always take a hit in karma!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on November 07, 2005, 07:08:08 pm
Are any of the WIAC womens teams scrimmaging D-1 schools besides Pville?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2005, 10:12:18 am
There, I gave you one 2K, if for no other reason that to get you to stop your incessant pleading.  ;)

Karma points are stupid.

WHITEWATER[/color] has a nice group of freshman, some of whom will probably see significant time on the floor this year.  We'll have more depth, be quicker and have better outside shooting if things pan out the way it looks.  Overall I think we'll be an improved team though we're probably a couple years away from challenging the league's heavy hitters.   But this may be the best class of new players we've added in some time.

Good luck KC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2005, 10:23:04 am
Are any of the WIAC womens teams scrimmaging D-1 schools besides Pville?

Stout scrimmages Marquette on Sunday 11/13. I think that's the only other one on the women's side this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 16, 2005, 02:37:33 pm
Since its 2 days from the start of the season, I will give my predictions for the conference.

1. Stout: One word, Duoss!  L. Geissler and Hendricks should also be solid.  Offensive production at the point could be a problem.

2. UWO: I know, I know, they lost Mader and their coach, however they've got to be the most experienced team in the league and there is a lot of talent in the starting lineup.  Weakness has got to be depth.

3. Point: Good recruiting the last couple years puts them here.  With Nechuta and Scott gone, the post will be a problem, at least early on.

4. EC: Although 5 seniors are gone, Englunds best recruiting class will keep them in contention.  Inexperienced players and a tough early schedule could result in some early losses.

5. LAX: This team is headed in the right direction.  Good recruiting class this year.  Can they step up into the top of the conference?

6. UWP: 4 starters returning.  What do they have after that?

7. WW: Always plays tough at home but lost some players.

8. RF: I could have them too low.  I would like to see more consistant play from them.

9. Sup: Need more talent.  Its just a tough place to recruit.

I can see any of the top 4 winning  the conference.  LAX is my team to watch out for.  They could break up the traditional top four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 17, 2005, 08:25:14 am
The BlueDevil Bash last night was a blast. Everyone had a chance to meet the teams and participate in something.

BlueDevil Bob made it to round 3 in the free throw shooting contest, then bounced one off the back of the rim and found his rightful place...right back in the stands where I belong.

Congrats to Coach Thomas and Coach Andrist for putting on a great event for everyone that attended.  :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2005, 10:56:54 pm
UWEC 77
Webster 55

Brittanni Hakanson led EC with 20pts and 8rebs.  EC plays the #1 ranked and defending champion Millikin tomorrow, who defeated Webster by 22pts also Friday night.

Some other WIAC scores:

UWO 58
Carroll 71

Carroll shoots 60% while exploiting UWO down in the post.

RF 54
Kalamazoo 63

UWP 48
Lake Forest 52

Stout 75
St. Cloud St. 92

UWL 68
Rockford 65

UWW 85
Nebraska Wesleyan 71
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 04:57:02 pm
Halftime score:

EC 30
Millikin 37

Both teams shooting good from 3.  The difference is the fouls EC is commiting going for the offensive boards (over-the-back).  Also EC's three posts have 2 fouls each and were in foul trouble throughout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 05:43:35 pm
Final

EC 55
#1Millikin 77

After playing even for the first 15min of the game, Millikin dominates the rest of the game.  Millikin hit a bunch of 3s.  EC shoots 29% for the game, with Burns really struggling.  EC will have to put this loss behind them and look forward to their Thanksgiving tournament.
Title: Opening Weekend
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:02:36 pm
Interesting opening weekend in the WIAC:

EC falls to Millikin, which is about what you would expect.  EC is so young, I would expect this would be a much closer game if played late in the season.

SP wins two against opponents they should handle.

Stout with an impressive win over D-II Mankato and a respectable loss to St. Cloud State.  They sure look like the real deal.

Oshkosh loses to Carroll?  Wow!  I thought Oshkosh was a little overrated, but I wouldn't have expected them to lose that game.  Maybe that short bench hurt them on the second game in two days?

LC with two solid wins. I would expect a WIAC to handle Rockford more easily than that at home, but given LC's history 2-0 is a great start.

Don't know much about Colorado Coll. but I would have expected WW to win that game.

PLT and RF get splits and hey!  Superior is 1-0!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:07:50 pm
Ooops, I see that LC's win over Rockford was at Rockford, so that makes that a better win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 21, 2005, 07:55:01 pm
Long time reader, first time poster. I see it's the same people all the time so I had to shake things up.

In regards to the win by LC at Rockford. Last season Rockford went 22-6 and made the NCAA Tournament. Granted there are weak NCAA Tournament teams but Rockford and Oshkosh met last season and Oshkosh who was at the time #1 in the nation, beat them by 2.

Fast forward with Rockford returning all 5 starters and I would say LC, with what also appears to be a young team, got a very quality win on the road. Looking at other boards people are expecting big things from Rockford.

Stout definitely appears to be legit. Mankato only beat Viterbo College by 7 earlier in the week so I'm not sure how strong they are. But a win over a D-2 is a win over a D-2.

Agreed with Oshkosh and the short bench. I thought the same thing when I looked at the box scores. They'll probably be fine, just really tired the next morning.

GO SUPERIOR. I see there's finally a roster up.

Curious if badgerwarhawk has any word on his squad. I see Megan Baker did not play either game in Colorado
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 22, 2005, 10:37:54 am
I hear a lot about how great Rockford is, but every time I see them they don't impress me.  They are the best team in one of the worst leagues in the country.  To me, that doesn't account for much.  Once they beat someone in the NCAA Tournament, then I'll listen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 22, 2005, 03:31:51 pm
Fair enough. I still feel like having five experienced starters back for Rockford and UW-L losing their best player to injury in the first half made it a great win for their program.

Their loss last year in the tournament also came in a great game with Ripon who, in turn, had a pretty good game at Stout. Oshkosh beating them by only 2 with the start they had last year also seemed impressive. I haven't seen them though so I was going on what I've read and playing some comparisons. Seeing how LC probably lost by a lot to Oshkosh last year, it would seem at the very least they've made a big improvement.

Still feel WW might be a team to watch with their youth and improving athleticism.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 08:58:15 pm
Saint Norbert over UWEC 61-47.  From looking at the boxscore, the only EC player that played well was Burns.  The Hakanson sisters did decent as well.  To UWEC's defense, they have played 3 games in 4 days and traveled a lot.  They need to regroup in a hurry and get ready for their tough Thanksgiving Tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 10:47:52 pm
Hello!!!!!!!!!!!

Oshkosh rebounds from their loss with a whopping 88-23 victory over Concordia, IL.

WW over Cardinal Stritch in a game they trailed most of the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on November 23, 2005, 07:36:33 am
Why didn't we just play Oshkosh West HS and get a better game?

Do games like this do a team any good?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2005, 09:12:06 am
For a team with a short bench and 6 frosh on their roster, a game like that doesn't hurt at all.

And we only get 2 NC games at West, so that was out of the question.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2005, 12:43:45 pm
Curious if badgerwarhawk has any word on his squad. I see Megan Baker did not play either game in Colorado



Megan is injured and it's unclear if and when she'll be ready to play this year.  That's a big loss to a young team.  Hopefully she'll be on the court at some point.

This year's team is young but it should be an improvement over last year's version.  They're more athletic and quicker.  Plus they've added some size too.  Last night's win over Cardinal Stritch was a good one.  That's a decent NAIA program who consistantly plays the WIAC schools tough and often beats them. 

Keep an eye on Lindsey Buecher.  I think she's going to step up and stand out this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2005, 03:50:49 pm
BW,

Thanks for the info.  Is Baker's injury related to the injury that kept her out all last year, or is it something new?

WIAC has gone 0-3 against the Midwest Conference, with traditional powers EC and OSH taking two of the hits.  That could make a big difference come NCAA tournament selection time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2005, 09:09:15 pm
No, it's a different injury.   :(

I wonder if Stout is going to dominate this year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2005, 11:39:50 pm
UWEC 60
St. Scholastica 48

Burns had a big game (18pts, 14rebs) after a few missed bunnies early on.  EC's defense looked pretty good, but St. Sch. was a small team.  EC needs to knock down the outside shots, which seems like a weakness for yet another year.  The first game had Luther winning by 32 over Gustavus.  Luther is big and skilled underneath the basket.  This will be a huge mismatch for EC as it was tonight for the smaller Gustavus team.  EC will have to have a hell of a game tomorrow night if they are to win
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 26, 2005, 11:23:54 pm
UWEC 64, Luther College 59...

Blugolds played some clutch defense in the last three minutes, getting a few tournovers and stops to win this game after Luther closed it to 56-53 with three minutes left to play...

Rachel Becker provided the leadership and determination down the stretch, and was named to the all tournament team, as was Michelle Burns, named tournament MVP.

Brittanni Hakanson had a big second half, hitting some key shots and providing a spark for the Blugolds...

Without the benefit of the stats, I can't say how much Luther's post players contributed offensively, but they were a force on the boards, and defensively...They've got a nice team....

Thanks to the Norse, Gustavus Adolphus and St. Scholastica players/coaches and fans for giving up/spending their Thanksgiving weekend in EC for this tournament...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:30:09 pm
Luther 59
EC 64

Balanced effort by the Blugolds.  Burns(Tournament MVP) and Hakanson led the way in scoring, Becker and Muggenborg playing good floor games for EC.  I saw a lot of improvement from last nights game to the 2nd half of the game tonight.  Hope the BGs can keep it up as they play yet another tough team on Wednesday when they travel to rival Stout.

Anybody else have any insights on their teams?  Please post!  I love this website and message board but it has become less and less sparce the last few years.  Do we have to bring back GL to get this page active again?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:33:26 pm
Looks like Bulk19 beat me to post the game summary!  What do you think EC's chances are agaist Stout?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 27, 2005, 12:21:26 am
Buf - I've got to give credit where credit is due - Stout... Let's just say I'll be picking that game with my heart... ;)

But then again, I won't be surprised if there is what would be considered be an upset, should the 'Golds win... This is the WIAC, after all. Ha.

Didn't see last night's game, and the rest have been on the road. But I liked what I saw in the Blue & Gold game earlier this season. The 'Golds will have a competitive team this year, despite the youth. Perhaps even underrated...
 
So, have I hedged my bets enough??
  :)
I'm really interested in seeing the Pointers team this year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2005, 01:16:41 pm
The WARHAWKS[/color] took the lead, 23-21, for good on a lay up by Amy Morris with about 5 1/2 minutes remaining in the first half and built it to seven points, 36-29, by halftime.   A 33-12 run in the second half built the lead to it's biggest differential, 23 points, before Lake Forest closed the gap against substitutes and the game ended 83-70.  Jessica Wendt led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points.  Lindsey Buecher added 13, Morris finished with 12 points and 7 rebounds and freshman Lindsey Gerber rounded out the double figure scorers with 10 points off the bench.  The WARHAWKS[/color] out rebounded Lake Forest 42-29.

The win pushes WHITEWATER'S[/color] record to 3-1.   Conference play begins Wednesday night vs LaCrosse.  The team got a big boost when Meagan Baker was cleared to begin playing.  She should be available for Wednesday matchup.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2005, 08:58:17 pm
Point loses 80-63 to Illinois Wesleyan!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2005, 10:06:04 am
I wasn't terribly surprised by the Point score.  By most accounts IWU is nearly as good as Milikin and Wheaton in the CCIW, plus Point played a pretty solid North Central team on the road the day before, while IWU got to use a lot of kids in a home game against Aurora.

Privately, I imagine SP is cotent to come back from that tough road trip at 1-1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 29, 2005, 07:12:58 pm
I'll be interested in how the LaCrosse women do this year. Ashley Fall, who couldn't get off the bench in Eau Claire, seems to be flourishing at UW-LAX. I like that. I looked at the Eau Claire recruits for the past several seasons and noted how few of them appear on the roster after the first year. Not having done the same research for other schools, I don't know if that's normal or not. I wondered earlier why someone with talent would go to an already overloaded program rather than try to help build something for a weaker program. What do recruiting coaches tell these people and how long does it take to discover a lot of it is smoke?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on November 30, 2005, 10:02:42 pm
Oshkosh 69 Point 62
This game was neck & neck before Kelly O'Keef started to shoot the lights out in the second half. Either one of these teams could make a strong case for winning conference this year. The Titans could really afford to grab a few more offensive boards though. HAIL TITANS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2005, 10:54:40 pm
WARHAWKS[/color] play tough for 20 minutes and have a tie, 35-35, at halftime.  But dismal shooting in the second half, a woeful 29%, and turnovers doomed the young team, 76-64.  LaCrosse controlled the boards 45-33.  We just missed a lot of inside shots and couldn't get a contact foul called.

LaCrosse has a nice team.  They're very athletic and Abby Johnson is a horse underneath. 

Lindsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points and Amy Morris chipped in 11.  Johnson and Hunter Mckenzie had 16 apiece for the Eagle.

FLanguage,  Ashely Fall played well, if sparingly.  She had 7 points and 10 rebounds in 12 minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:01:38 pm
Stout over EC 82-62.  After doing a good job on Duoss in the first half, EC couldn't stop her in the second.  Stout would just lob the ball in and she would come down with it and score.  EC did pretty well offensively, but defensively was a different story.  

Way too many fouls were called in the game.  Both teams were in the double bonus with like 7min left in each half.  Burns played a whole 9min due to foul trouble and most of those minutes were late second half.

Muggenborg and Ashley Anderson played well tonight for EC.  Muggenborg provided some outside shooting and Anderson did well in the post.

Stout shot really well from the outside tonight.  You know Stout is hot shooting when #2 makes a 3.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:08:55 pm
I'm not quite sure what the story on Ashley Fall is.  She led EC in scoring in the Blue-Gold game her freshman year.  The next year (last year) she was listed in EC's preseason preview but was not at the Blue-Gold game.  I'm guessing she quit the team????  When she did play, it looked like she had some good post moves and court awareness, although she was undersized for a post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 01, 2005, 11:56:21 am
Foul-  regarding your question on recruiting.  As a fan of team (St. Ben's) who has had a history of strong recruits coming into talented teams, I can say it's mostly a question of attitude. 

Good programs attract good players because they know they won't have to carry the load alone for 4 years.  I don't know all that many head coaches (besides ours) personally, but I doubt that there's "smoke" involved.

If I were a talented kid coming out of high school, I'd rather contribute on a contending team than play 35 minutes per night for a team in the building stages.

That having been said, some kids have big enough egos that they can't/won't accept playing a smaller role, and need to be the main attraction like they were in high school.

Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 01, 2005, 01:24:32 pm
Watch out for UW-Oshkosh. I know it might be early, but when Eggers is one reb. and Assist away from a triple double, and Herrick and O'Keef score over 20 each (and have that potential every game), along with tough defense players in Knapp and Tyriver this actually might be a better season then many thought for the Titans.

And Coach Schumacher is claiming that the Offense is not in full force yet, I can't wait to see when it does.

Next Saturday is the epic match up once again: Stout/Oshkosh, Duoss/Herrick.

I'm pumped
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2005, 01:33:10 pm
No one doubts the Titans talent.  We'll just have to see what happens late in the season if the top Titans continue to play 33+ minutes per game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 01, 2005, 01:41:36 pm
I've never seen a Terri Schumacher team have problems with conditioning, wether the team is deep or not. I was good to see UWO respond to a push by another team, and answer with a run of their own to close out a game. Lechault didn't have a great offensive game, but she was a force in the post. Herrick took her game to the FT area, and that was a big difference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2005, 09:53:31 pm
I agree with Just Bill. I think UWO probably has the best talent amoung the starters in this conference.  If they continually stay out of foul trouble and have solid play defensively in the post, they will have a very good chance at winning conference.  The question is, Can the starters stay out of foul trouble for 25+ games?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:07:34 pm

That having been said, some kids have big enough egos that they can't/won't accept playing a smaller role, and need to be the main attraction like they were in high school.

Go BLAZERS!!!!!


What a misguided statement. So the only good players that will go to Whitewater, La Crosse, River Falls, and Platteville (teams looking to move up the ladder) are kids that have too big of egos to accept a smaller role for an established team. How disrespectful can you be to those kids? Maybe those kids are willing to help accept the challenge of turning the corner with a program. To insinuate that it's only kids with monster ego is ridiculous
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:11:14 pm
This week's poll
Stout 8th
Stevens Point RV (27th)
Oshkosh RV (37th)
La Crosse RV (42nd)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 02, 2005, 11:17:14 am
I sort of agree with billys, although not quite as forcefully. I don't think a player needs ego as much as a combination of confidence and hope to be willing to go to a weak program. I don't understand how ANY player, who has had success in basketball on any level, can believe sitting on the bench is the best contribution he or she can make to the DIII game. The chances of playing after college are slight, so why not get involved as much as possible in the time you have? Good players on losing teams get recognition for their efforts, if observers are honest. Good, hardworking basketball players deserve a venue; I don't think the bench is it.

I suspect the chanciness of recruiting at the DIII level is part of the problem. Coaches recruit three times as many people as they need and are confounded when all show up. However, I think it's the coach's responsibility at some early point to be honest with the recruit about how much playing time he or she can expect.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 03, 2005, 10:14:50 pm
UW-La Crosse 72, UWEC 63.

From a Blugold fan's perspective: The 'Golds were able to get the ball inside, got some good looks, too, but couldn't close out their shots. When they missed, the Eagles were there for the rebound, limiting the 'Golds to just one shot on several trips down the court.

Eagles' defense was impressive, too. Don't know how many times I saw them deflect the ball as it was going into the paint, causing a turnover, or making the 'Golds reload after chasing the ball down.

Eagles have a nice balance on offense, too. Good inside-outside game. Looks like this program is turning the corner.

Now, to the Eagles fans. The Blugolds are reloading/rebuilding this year, but we put 944 fans in the stands tonight, including a good crowd from La Crosse. You have an upstart team, on the rise! Get off your fannies and start filling up Mitchell Hall. You had 125 and 194 fans there the first two games this year.

This team is playing with confidence, is fun to watch, and is off to a great start!!! It deserves the proportional support that you give to say, the football team, that you have there, and can feed off that support to make this season something special.





Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 03, 2005, 10:58:01 pm
Not so pretty game in Menomonie tonight, if you're a Stout women's basketball fan. Looked suspiciously like Stouters didn't want to have to take shots, so they'd run the ball down the court and throw it to Platteville. Lest Platteville take offense and claim it was their stellar defense, I have to say that passing the ball in to Kelsey Duoss/Jenny McDermid/Dani Boese/______ when three P-ville players surrounded her says more about the thrower than the catcher.

Oddball line-ups probably contributed to Stout's oddball play. No one looked particularly comfortable on the court--Stout, I mean. P-ville appeared not to have any problem. If stirring up the line was meant to psych a team out, I think it worked perfectly; unfortunately, Stout seemed to be the team that got psyched out.

Three shots were flying; they just weren't hitting anything. 

LaCrosse is looking good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2005, 11:34:11 pm
Can you say letdown?

UWP 63
Stout 54
At Stout

Looks like Duoss was the only one to show up for Stout.

Huge game for Stout and UWO on Wednesday
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 03, 2005, 11:39:43 pm
UW-La Crosse 72, UWEC 63.


Now, to the Eagles fans. The Blugolds are reloading/rebuilding this year, but we put 944 fans in the stands tonight, including a good crowd from La Crosse. You have an upstart team, on the rise! Get off your fannies and start filling up Mitchell Hall. You had 125 and 194 fans there the first two games this year.



Agreed. Platteville-La Crosse on Wednesday should be an interesting sidebar to Oshy and Stout (who still are the two most experienced teams at the top.

In La Crosse fans' defense. The two home games were on Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see next Saturday when they finally play a home game.

I know you say Eau Claire is rebuilding/reloading. But the team they played tonight had exactly zero seniors on the court itself. Their only senior, who happened to be first team all-conference last year, is probably out for the year with a knee injury according to the paper today.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 04, 2005, 01:13:18 am
billys -
I'll grant you the Thanksgiving Day absence of students in town. But I make my comments based on previous seasons, and last year, too, when the Eagles averaged 250+ fans per game, which was third last, ahead of Superior's 96 and UWRF's 183.

Stout led the conference in attendance at 1,134 per game; UWEC was second, at 881. Granted, winning teams fill the seats, and the women's program there has been down for a while... But now that you have a team that is winning, and young, and should only get better, get the fans in there to support them!  ;)

Don't let that team be the best kept secret on campus the next four years!

Next weekend is a big home game for the Eagles. The Pointers are in town. No excuse that finals are approaching. Ha. Creative study break #1123 says to go to the game! Make assistant coach Vince "The Prince" Hamilton, who I watched play for the LaX Catbirds, feel like he's back in the old filled-up La Crosse Center!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 05, 2005, 10:47:47 pm
Point loses at Carroll 90-88.  Carroll beat UWO earlier this year by 13.  It seems they are the real deal.  And guess what... Carroll plays UWEC on Saturday!  Can Carroll sweep 3 of the top teams in the WIAC over the past decade???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on December 06, 2005, 06:37:21 am
Downtown,
You guys still thinking about coming down to Atlanta for the UW-O games?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2005, 10:46:08 pm
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 06, 2005, 11:43:04 pm
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?

It appears the "starters" started the 2nd Half on the bench as well.......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: digs on December 07, 2005, 12:54:10 pm
If Eau Claire and Whitewater can pull out their games with Carroll and St Norbert respectively the WIAC can pull out a .500 year vs the mighty MWC.  Looks like the tide is turning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2005, 03:39:04 pm
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?
The coach offered one explanation in this game article, but I have a feeling there might be more to it than that.

http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjsports/290149560960534.shtml
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 07, 2005, 08:36:03 pm
I would think there has to be more......I really can't see risking a regional loss because of "bigger" WIAC games during the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 07, 2005, 10:40:42 pm
EC loses to RF by 11.  It seems both team shot alot of 3s, which is not a good thing for EC considering they are a poor outside shooting team.

After a good win against Luther, EC has taken a couple steps backward.  I will give them to the New Year to start playing the way I think they can.  If their play is not much better then, it will be a long year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 08, 2005, 10:08:26 am
Well, whatever Point's motivation for juggling their line-up against Carroll, it seems to have worked.  They put a hurtin' on the Warhawks tonight.  They held WW to only 9 points over the first 15 minutes and led 49-20 at half.

La Crosse just keeps on keeping on, with a win in Platteville.  Big early showdown between Point and La Crosse this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 08, 2005, 10:40:51 pm
Puh-lease, the biggest match up by far and away is at Oshkosh, Just Bill.

Now, I understand that Lax and Point game is big, but nothing is as big as the one at Kolf on Saturday.

Duoss is better then last year, but the team isn't

While right now, Oshkosh has the best starting 5 in the WIAC

my early predicition: Oshkosh wins in a squeaker
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 08, 2005, 11:28:38 pm
ok so Oshkosh may and I want to emphasie MAY have the best starting 5. But, what do they have after that... LaX on  the other hand has more then 5 great players and when the Titans and Eagles clash that will be a GAME!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2005, 10:03:06 am
Mr. Downtown,

I'm trying to find where I said the Point/La Crosse game was bigger than the Stout/Oshkosh game.  It doesn't seem to be there.

Stop worrying about protecting your Titans turf all the time.  Just enjoy the games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 09, 2005, 01:22:39 pm
Coach Thomas said yesterday at the Hoops Club luncheon that he thought Oshkosh has the best starting five in the league.

 


Now, I understand that Lax and Point game is big, but nothing is as big as the one at Kolf on Saturday.

Duoss is better then last year, but the team isn't

While right now, Oshkosh has the best starting 5 in the WIAC

 
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While the team may not be as good as it was at the end of last year, the Devils are a pretty darn good team right now. Last year Stout lost at home at this time of year against River Falls in a game that was very much like the Platteville game this year.  Then look at what happened.

Come February this team may well be better than last years squad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 09, 2005, 06:09:47 pm
problem with Stout though is that they are TERRIBLE at shooting. Yes Duoss and Bird are making their shots, but that was a given. Their are so many players that are shooting below 40% that it has to make you wonder if Oshkosh can find a way to slow down Duoss, who is going to step up for Stout?

I am almost postitive that you have an answer for that, and again, I haven't seen Stout, so I don't know who to look out for.

Another thing, River Falls was a 10 conference win team last year. I don't consider Platteville to be one of the teams in WIAC to win 10. Maybe they will, and become the darkhorse. But with that early loss at home, was result of no pressure and medium expectations. Now being the favorite and a nationally ranked team changes the impact.

One thing will change in this game from last year's strategy for Oshkosh. Expect a lot of attacking to the basket, even if Stout does go into a zone. Eggers is averaging 9 assists the past two games, and if she can drive to the basket and cause some chaos, that could be the deciding factor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 08:53:58 am
Downtown, you are correct that the Stout outside shooters haven't been getting it done lately. I think part of that is due to their search for the right mix at guard. Shooters like Lindsey Geisler and Molly Hendricks will get it going though I am sure.

Look for Savanah Oeltjen to get some minutes at point guard.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 09:01:40 am
Hey Downtown,

 Go over and say hi to stoutguy today. He'll be doing the color on the Stout radio broadcast.  8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 09:39:54 am
My question: can a 'best starting five in the conference' hold up for 40 minutes against a barrage of teams? It can if it has decent backup; does Oshkosh have depth? Stout's strength--and maybe, at this point, also it's weakness--is it's numbers. I think Stout may have two 'first string' line-ups, and the problem has been putting the right people together. In effect, Oshkosh could be facing two good starting line-ups today if Coach T creates the right combination. After the two good starting line ups, he has some pretty decent bench players. We know that Duoss can give Stout points inside, we know that L Geissler and Bird and Hendricks can give Stout points from the outside. We know A Geissler can get the ball up the court and into the hands of someone who can either score or pass on to a scorer. The elements are there. They need to learn to trust each other and not worry about another position doing its job.

I think Dani Boese is gaining strength and getting used to being on the court; if Bird starts to distribute the ball rather than looking for opportunities to score, she might reduce her turnover rate. Assists are important in basketball, too.

I figured that Stout has 75 fouls to give up before they're in serious trouble. Is that an advantage?

You know, I think Janelle Daniels, despite her height (or lack of it) shows some great potential. I think she sees the court well, she's quick, and who can swipe the ball from her dribble? I'd actually like to see what she can do in a real game and not just the final minutes of a blowout one way or the other. The advantage is the dribble is low; the disadvantage is her vision when she gets across mid-court. The closer she gets to the basket, the harder it is to see the forest for the trees.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 10:20:09 am
Foul,  I agree with everything you just posted.

It's the patented Coach Thomas 'line changes" that keep the intensity level so high for the Devils, and the players fresh.

It will take more than a starting five to beat Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 06:06:26 pm
I can look at this two ways: either it doesn't take more than a starting five to beat Stout OR Oshkosh could consider Stout's top ten as part of its bench. I'm listening to the game and wondering what in the hell the hurry was? Did Stout get reduced time on the shot clock? Was only one Stout player allowed to touch the ball or if a second person got the ball, was she obligated to fling it wildly in the general direction of the backboard? Where was the passing? Where was the patience?  I don't know how it looked, but it sounded pathetic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 06:31:35 pm
UWEC - 66, Carroll College 61.

Nice win for the Blugolds in defeating a team that was 6-0 coming into the game, including wins against UW-Oshkosh and UWSP.

Blugolds trailed by 6 at half, but played with more intensity and gave fans a glimpse of a promising future by staging/maintaining a comeback with three starters on the bench for the last 6 minutes of the game or so.

Michelle Burns led the 'Golds in scoring with 24, but key players in this game were Brittanni Hakanson and Heidi Arciszewski, freshmen who combined for 30 points and played the final five minutes, along with Burns, and two more freshman - Ashley Anderson and Heather Witt. Arciszewski had a whale of a game on both ends, and provided a big spark.

Blugolds took the lead for good, 53-52, with about 4 minutes left, then hit all six of its FTs to help seal the win, along with a big 3-pointer by Burns.

Big confidence booster for this team, which showed some of the promise/athleticism that I saw during the team's intrasquad game. They played with chemsitry and a hunger down the stretch today. Hope that continues down the stretch this year, and bodes well for the next three years as this team continues to grow and improve. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2005, 06:35:33 pm
Quite the game at the Bob this afternoon. Foul trouble looked to doom UWO early, butthe question of depth was answered. Stout couldn't even pull away when Oshkosh had 3 or 4 starters out. By no means did the Titans bench dominate, but the young kids held the line and got them to the locker room up 4. I would question the officiating, but it leveled out in the second half. It really was a case where one end of the floor seemed to be the only side where the whistle was blown. UWO got hammered in the first half while Stout got to the line, while in the second half it was reversed. Except for the last foul with 1.2 seconds left. I think they were hoping for a make to set up the 13-pointer. And a heck of a birthday to Shannon Eggers: 21 points, a win, and a T. I believe that's the basketball version of a Gordie Howe hat trick.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 07:01:17 pm
UWL - 62, UWSP 55.

UWL stops its 11-game losing streak to the Pointers.
And they had 550+ fans at Mitchell Hall to see it. Impressive crowd there.

Now the rest of you Eagles fans get on the bandwagon, too, and start rooting for your team, which is now 9-0 and 4-0 in conference play!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 10, 2005, 07:12:44 pm
I think this season the "we're young" excuse has got to be relaxed. I just looked around the league at the rosters. Guess how many seniors there are in the entire league? Of the eight teams with rosters on the net (come on Superior), there are 22 seniors total.

EC-2 (both play big roles)
LC-1 (she's out for the year)
OSH- 4 (all important)
PL- 6 (the leaders, one's hurt)
RF- 2 (one major contributor)
SP- 2 (one major contributor)
Stout- 4 (2 or 3 play a lot)
WW-1 (major contributor)

I've seen it in articles about coaches saying "We're young" and people here talking about being patient with young teams.

Reality is, what you see this year in many cases, is what you'll see next year. EC, LC, PL, SP, WW all play a lot of freshman; most everyone has a good class of sophomores. If everyone is in the same boat, it's not unique. It's exciting for the league that the majority of the main contributors this year will be back next year which can only improve the quality of the league. I guess if you play Oshkosh experience is a factor (or big game experience with Stout) but I don't think it should be used as an excuse if you play an equally young team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 08:29:13 pm
Billys-

Yes, there are few seniors on the rosters this year. But add in the experience of juniors, too. That will give you a better idea of how young UWEC is, when you consider that its roster of 18 has only three upper classmen. A team of 15 freshmen/sophomores is young.

Yes, seems there are a lot of young teams this year - UWL being another one that comes to mind. But, as you point out, they are all in the same boat in this conference, so it's not an excuse.

It's just it takes a while to learn to win in this league, and have success... No matter how successful you were in HS, you will take some lumps in this conference as underclassmen, and experience some growing pains.

Looking at the bigger picture, outside of the WIAC, though, the teams that have success in the NCAA tournament over the years - Stout, Oshkosh, UWEC and UWSP - didn't have 15 underclassmen on them. That's when the experience pays off...
 

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 13, 2005, 12:20:54 am
I agree, juniors are a very important part of "experience" like I said, in the league I just don't think youth should be used as an excuse. Unless you're playing Oshkosh where their experience could be a factor.

You are absolutely right, tournament success often relies on experience. I still think Oshy is the team to beat and I think Stout will still rebound and be a major factor, but the upstart from over here in La Crosse is looking to make things interesting. They pounded Edgewood tonight to get to 10-0.

Kind of surprising they're not ranked. 26th this week, Oshkosh checks in at 20th. Stout is 28th. I realize D3 polls are probably the least accurate since the voters see hardly any of the teams actually play. But I would figure 9-0 at the time of the vote, which would be tied for the best record on the board, would earn a ranking. Especially with a 2 loss team comfortably in it. Again, I've seen exactly 2 teams thus far, but I think if I were voting I'd put in unbeaten teams from good leagues until they prove you wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 13, 2005, 02:22:22 am
billys -
In the case of UWL being ranked, and from a tough conference, perhaps, you see them as innocent until proven guilty?

But the pollsters, perhaps, are thinking guilty, until proven innocent, if that makes any sense? ;)

But it maybe it's because, despite a 4-0 mark in conference, the Eagles have only beaten one upper-tier opponent so far - UWSP. They haven't played Stout or Oshkosh yet, but did beat the Blugolds, who are traditionally a good team...

Also, they are in a bit of an unfamiliar territory, as far as success goes for that program... so they haven't necessarily "earned" the spot based on a history of winning...

And, they do have a young team, too. One without seasoned veterans who we all know what to expect from. So there! ;)

I think the Eagles are flying under the radar a bit (if 26th can be considered such). Maybe that's why they've been successful. They didn't have the pressure of having the targets on their backs coming into this season.

But they have not gone unnoticed in the WIAC, I'll guarantee you that. I'm sure the teams in this conference have noticed, and are not going to take them lightly...

Nevertheless, it's exciting to see them doing well, and that the fans turned out vs. the Pointers... Keep filling up Mitchell Hall...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 06:16:47 pm
I still think La Crosse should be in the top 25... I understand that maybe they are not 100% proven yet based on opponents but when you have polls like this, where the people voting have not seen the teams, you should base some things on common apponents ... For example      Oshkosh is ranked and they Beat edgewood at home by 15...  La Crosse who is unbeaten beat Edgewood at home by 24...       They have also Beaten Rockford and to this day that is Rockfords only loss....   If they lose there first game of the year at Stout or at Oshkosh and they are not in the top 25, it will be that much harder for them to get into the top 25. However if they were now like they should be there first loss may not knock them out since there are several 2 loss teams in the top 25. The fact that they are a young team should not worry anybody at all. This team plays together and with alot of confidence.  I have seen them in person and they dont panic when a team makes a run and most important there defence is smothering ....         this is going to be an intresting year
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 07:41:20 pm
One more thing...  I think the La Crosse defense leads the wiac in forced turnovers      does anybody have that stat?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 13, 2005, 11:25:30 pm
EC 59
Carleton 50

A decent win for EC, but an ugly win.  Carleton has been at or near the top of the MIAC the last few years, but like EC, they lost some seniors last year.

Muggenberg and Brooke Hakanson shot pretty well outside, which EC needs desperately.  Both teams made a lot of substitutions and played zone defense for much of the game.  I think both coaches were using this game to work on some things for conference play.

Only 4 points from EC's seniors and two of them were when they were icing the game from the FT line.  However, Becker had some good assists.

Megan Vig and Oken-Berg lead Carleton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 14, 2005, 12:38:20 am
I've got to mention Heidi Arciszewski  for her role tonight, too, in the Blugold's win. 13 points off the bench...

I agree with buf's summary - looks like the coaches were tinkering, tweaking and playing different combinations. Blugolds are back to .500, where Coach Englund wanted them to get to before heading out to California, and then back into conference play.

Don't know much about the teams they play out West, but I hope they can at least split???

Merry Christmas to all the posters here, good luck to the Warhawks football team on Saturday, and we'll see you all back here after the break...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2005, 10:26:31 am
One more thing... I think the La Crosse defense leads the wiac in forced turnovers does anybody have that stat?


Here's turnover margin which is led by LaCrosse at +6.   It does show that the Eagle opponents, with 230, have the most turnovers among those of league teams. 

TURNOVER MARGIN
# Team                  G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin
-------------------------------------------------------
1.UW-La Crosse........ 10   170  17.0  230  23.0  +6.00
2.UW-Oshkosh..........  8   138  17.3  175  21.9  +4.62
3.UW-River Falls...... 10   172  17.2  214  21.4  +4.20
4.UW-Whitewater.......  7   114  16.3  143  20.4  +4.14
5.UW-Eau Claire.......  9   156  17.3  167  18.6  +1.22
6.UW-Superior.........  6   137  22.8  137  22.8  +0.00
7.UW-Platteville......  9   166  18.4  161  17.9  -0.56
8.UW-Stevens Point.... 10   210  21.0  195  19.5  -1.50
9.UW-Stout............  8   169  21.1  155  19.4  -1.75

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 14, 2005, 10:30:51 am
Darn it BadgerWarhawk, I just looked that up!!  :D

Look at who is last in the category: UW-Stout.  A team that has to feed off of turnovers, is not doing a very good job this year so far. Funny how things are going both in mens and womens basketball. The two preseason favorites seem to be very beatable, rather then invincable...

I guess thats the WIAC for ya, but right now, UW-Stout has to find a shooter, this team right now outside of Duoss has nothing going for them offensively, and what Oshkosh did to them on Saturday offensively really has to be a bad taste in their mouth. Best way to boil this team down, they need more production out of their guards, both offense and defense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 14, 2005, 02:08:45 pm
bulk19-

UWEC played Chapman 3 years ago in the NCAA tourney when EC went on their Final Four run.  Chapman has been a pretty decent team, the last few years anyway.  UWEC should be able to win at least 1, if not both out in California.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 14, 2005, 02:23:05 pm
Darn it BadgerWarhawk, I just looked that up!! :D

Look at who is last in the category: UW-Stout. A team that has to feed off of turnovers, is not doing a very good job this year so far. Funny how things are going both in mens and womens basketball. The two preseason favorites seem to be very beatable, rather then invincable...

I guess thats the WIAC for ya, but right now, UW-Stout has to find a shooter, this team right now outside of Duoss has nothing going for them offensively, and what Oshkosh did to them on Saturday offensively really has to be a bad taste in their mouth. Best way to boil this team down, they need more production out of their guards, both offense and defense.

Downtown,

Stoutguy and I are here in my office and we agree with your assessment of Stout at this time.

The Devils need the right people to take the right shots in this offense, and to never forget they have the best player in the paint in the conference. When Duoss gets her share of touches, good things happen.

BDB and Stoutguy
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 14, 2005, 09:36:46 pm
Do you think that Ted Van Dellen is attending women's practices trying to see how Teri has them playing so well as a team ?

Maybe he should. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 14, 2005, 11:16:49 pm
Do you think that Ted Van Dellen is attending women's practices trying to see how Teri has them playing so well as a team ?

Maybe he should. 

ouch
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 15, 2005, 12:24:50 am
buf -
Thanks for refreshing my memory. That was an early-round game which I forgot about.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess, I remember the last two games of the season - losing in OT to Eastern Connecticut State to go to the championship, but then winning the consolation game in OT over U of Rochester to finish third.

That team showed a lot of pride to come back after that earlier tough, heartbreaking loss, only the second on the season vs. 32 Ws. What a team!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 15, 2005, 10:47:34 am
Chapman also came to Wisconsin in 2002 when Stevens Point hosted the Sectional.  They got beat by Pacific Lutheran in the first game and were clearly the weakest of the four teams there.  I imagine playing on their home floor with the memory of that pounding from EC in 2003 they will perform much, much better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 16, 2005, 12:39:42 pm
I still think La Crosse should be in the top 25... However if they were now like they should be there first loss may not knock them out since there are several 2 loss teams in the top 25.

several?......as in.......one?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2005, 12:56:56 pm
Saturday was a bad day for WIAC teams:

Edgewood blows out WW

UWO loses by 5 to North Park after they were leading by 5 with 4min left.

WW football loses in the championship game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2005, 02:56:23 pm
I really thought the WARHAWK[/color] women had improved this year but now I'm not so sure.   There are just too many inexperienced players who have to get significant minutes and the more experienced ones aren't playing at the level they need to. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 19, 2005, 09:15:44 pm
When is the Warhawk ladies team swimsuit calendar coming out?   ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2005, 10:17:42 am
It already sold out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 20, 2005, 07:45:33 pm
Damn.


Have to check on the Stout calendar then.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2005, 08:32:47 am
No calendar, but on the game poster/schedule the players are all sitting on Harleys.  8)

 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2005, 01:30:07 pm
 The WARHAWKS[/color] finally get on back on the winning track, despite a 16 point first half, with a 70-64 OT win over St Norbert.   Trisha Thill and Lindsey Buechner each scored 15 points to lead the team while Amy Morris and Jessica Wendt added 11 apiece.  Buechner also pulled down 18 rebounds as they dominated the boards 55 to 40 (that's a lot of missed shots).  WHITEWATER[/color] climbs back over .500 on the season at 5-4.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 21, 2005, 01:50:36 pm
So what is the over/under for how long UWL can stay undefeated?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 21, 2005, 07:02:25 pm
Lax will stay undefeated until Jan. 3rd, when they travel to Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 23, 2005, 01:53:46 pm
It was at this point last year when Stout was 1-3 in the conference and then found themselves at a holiday tournament in Las Vegas.

It was turn-around city and the conference championship.

BlueDevil fans hope they find a little something for the good of the team this holiday season when they play out in San Diego.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2005, 08:50:17 pm
Stout defeats #9 Messiah.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 29, 2005, 12:46:46 am
La crosse blows out occidental   there worst loss of the year...   only other really bad blowout came to a division 2 school....  chapman next ..  looks like the La crosse stout match up on jan 4th is going to be fun...   early line saysd La crosse  -5       :)   go eagles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 12:15:07 am
UWO blows a 5 point lead with 1:30 remaining and loses by 1 on a shot at the buzzer.

UWL takes its 1st lead since the opening minute of the game with 20sec left and defeats Chapman by 1.  Chapman plays UWEC tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on December 30, 2005, 12:26:42 am
Oshkosh loses at the buzzer to Emory of the UAA.
Tight game throughout. Emory had quite a bit of size that seemed somewhat overwhelming for Herrick and Tyriver to handle. There were times that Emory had 2,3, and 4 offensive rebounds in one posession.
It was almost obvious that Oshkosh had the better talent, but didn't have their heads in the game at the right points.  Oshkosh had the lead from the 14 minute mark on in the second half, but I have to hand it to the Emory coach , she used Timeouts effectively and substituted the best players for each situation down the stretch, so bascially there were between 2 to 4 fresh players each time the clock stopped in the last minute.
But the game was all but won for Oshkosh. They were up by 3 with 30 seconds to go. But Emory gets a huge offensive rebound, calls timeout and sets up a play to cut it to 1 and carry that out.  They foul Tyriver off the insuing inbound to stop the clock and then call timeout.  Out of the TO Tyriver misses the front end of the 1 and 1, and Emory gets the ball down the court cleanly, makes one pass and Rizzo hits an open 10 footer for the win.
Oshkosh looked absolutely shell shocked.

Main thing here, Emory had 4 big post players that they used in shifts against Herrick and Tyriver and they worked. They were able to use them effectively in the post, especially on the glass.
A very sloppy game from both teams really, not executed like I'm used to seeing from Oshkosh. When I thought they would pull away from Emory they let them back in the game.

It was a tough one to lose, hopefully they'll come back strong against Maryville tomorrow night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 06:59:37 pm
Stout loses to St. Norberts.  Duoss only plays 19min due to foul trouble.

Point defeats Oswego St. in OT.  Oswego only 14-38 from the FT line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 30, 2005, 07:27:12 pm
The Stout-LaCrosse game coming up should give both sides reason to sit back and wonder what's going right (LAX) and what's going wrong (Stout). Stout goes to California and beats ranked Messiah, and it looks like it will be a repeat of last season, when a down and out Stout found its groove in Las Vegas. No groove in California; more of a derailment. How does perennial loser LaCrosse pull it together in a season and a half?

I'm tempted to say LaCrosse has found itself with some decent players and are using them to build a team (lemons to lemonade). On the other hand, Stout has too many stars and no team (curdled cream of the crop). Maybe Stouters need to stop looking at individual stats and start looking at the bottom line. You can't have three or four or five horses pulling in different directions, and I think that's what Stout has. Too many people eager to shoulder a leadership role without consulting with the others, many of whom are also trying to be the leader. Someone needs to step in and get them all facing forward to the same goal: winning. If Stout doesn't find some cohesion, start swallowing some ego in favor of making everyone the best contributer to the team she can be, it's going to be a bad season. Maybe too much talent is a bad thing.

Coach T has an opportunity to turn this season around, but fuming about losing isn't going to make things better. If the coach doesn't step in, then the captains need to; if they don't do it, someone else needs to risk some popularity and smack some heads around. Get their attention, get everyone on the same page, get a team thing going. Might be tough to do with 20+ players, but it needs to be done.

But maybe that's just me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2005, 07:28:51 pm
The WARHAWK[/color] women win a pair of games and capture the championship of the Rockford tournament.  Last night the lady HAWKS[/color] beat Wartburg 73-59.  Six players, led by Amy Morris with 13 points, scored in double figures.  This afternoon WHITEWATER[/color] handed Rockford College it's second loss of the season 52-48.  Lindsey Buechner scored 14 points and pulled down 9 rebounds to lead the team.  Jessica Wendt had 11 rebounds.  WHITEWATER[/color] improves to 7-4 on the season.  
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 31, 2005, 08:46:00 pm
Well, everytime I think EC is turning the corner (Luther, Carroll), they go on a losing streak.  They lose to both Chapman and Clairemont Mudd Scripps by double digits this weekend.

EC does seem to play decent at home, but on the road they are consistantly getting beat bad.  Things better turn around fast or else EC could have a losing season.

And, is that UWO-Maryville score ever going to come in.  Both team's websites don't have a score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2006, 08:30:03 am
The Stout-LaCrosse game coming up should give both sides reason to sit back and wonder what's going right (LAX) and what's going wrong (Stout). Stout goes to California and beats ranked Messiah, and it looks like it will be a repeat of last season, when a down and out Stout found its groove in Las Vegas. No groove in California; more of a derailment. How does perennial loser LaCrosse pull it together in a season and a half?

I'm tempted to say LaCrosse has found itself with some decent players and are using them to build a team (lemons to lemonade). On the other hand, Stout has too many stars and no team (curdled cream of the crop). Maybe Stouters need to stop looking at individual stats and start looking at the bottom line. You can't have three or four or five horses pulling in different directions, and I think that's what Stout has. Too many people eager to shoulder a leadership role without consulting with the others, many of whom are also trying to be the leader. Someone needs to step in and get them all facing forward to the same goal: winning. If Stout doesn't find some cohesion, start swallowing some ego in favor of making everyone the best contributer to the team she can be, it's going to be a bad season. Maybe too much talent is a bad thing.

Coach T has an opportunity to turn this season around, but fuming about losing isn't going to make things better. If the coach doesn't step in, then the captains need to; if they don't do it, someone else needs to risk some popularity and smack some heads around. Get their attention, get everyone on the same page, get a team thing going. Might be tough to do with 20+ players, but it needs to be done.

But maybe that's just me

 Some interesting points you make Foul.

Coach T has been saying before the season began that he wished people would quit talking about how good they are. He always mentioned that the team lost alot when Erichsen and Churchill graduated. Two four year starters that led the team on and off the court.

This years seniors seem distracted by things off the court and disagreements about playing time, instead of the leadership roles they need to provide.

One thing I know about Coach Thomas, he will get things straightened out, even if that means the +20 roster gets a little smaller.

Ultimately though it's not the coach that can take ownership of a team, it's the players deciding that for this short period in their lives they are going to live it to the utmost potential. Otherwise, they are going to find themselves older and wishing  they had done so.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 01, 2006, 12:05:13 pm
Playing their third game in three days the  WARHAWKS[/color] tired and their two game winning streak was snapped yesterday, 66-64, when Judson made two free throws with five seconds remaining.   It was a pretty close game throughout with each team getting runs that built 7-8 point leads in the second half before the other rallied to tie or take the lead.   It was also sloppy as the two teams combined for a staggering 58 turnovers (WW-31[/color], J-27).  Amy Morris led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points and Jessica Wendt contributed a double-double 14 points, 11 rebounds.  WHITEWATER's[/color] record is now 7-6.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 01, 2006, 03:35:20 pm
Blue Devil Bob--You're right; ultimately, it's the players that take the court and play the game. However, the coach sends some pretty serious signals to the team by the make-up of his starting line-up, the way he subs, the way he responds to play on the court. A player needs to feel as though she can make mistakes in an effort to play the game; on the other hand, a player should never feel as though she can make mistakes in an effort to play HER OWN game. We forgive fouls that result from strong defensive play; we don't forgive fouls that result from weak defensive play (e.g., weak: the too-late-reach-in foul as opposed to, strong: the blocking foul that could just as easily have been a charge).

Especially in the traditional Stout game of speed and agression, the player needs to take some risks and not worry about being benched if she makes a mistake. She needs to have the confidence to get back into the game with the same energy and effort she had at the start. I think this enormous roster gives players and coach the "I can be replaced/replace you" attitude that ends up undermining the team rather than contributing to it. The additional down side is that with 20+ players on the roster, no one gets the attention or practice time she needs to develop skills.

Stout has to get past Ericksen and Churchill and make good use of the talent on this year's team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 06:58:21 am
Oshkosh beat Maryville. I forget the score, all apologies for not posting the score that night.
The Lady Titans won fairly easily, Maryville did have some talent but not enough to beat UW-Oshkosh. Oshkosh had a double digit lead at half time. Maryville tried to make it interesting cutting the lead to 5, i think, at one point.

Overall impressions for me looking at Oshkosh for the first time this season, Sloppy.
I don't know if it's the new coach/offensive scheme, but it just seems like the girls don't have alot of movement on offense, or i think there is less than what i'm used to with the Pam Ruder offense.
I didn't see a killer instinct.  They had a double digit lead over the upset minded Maryville and let them back in the game in the second half. That, I am not used to seeing.

There are of course some very good things:
Shannon Eggers is an All-American. She's not that quick off the dribble, but she makes things happen and she can hit any shot on the floor, from any position. She is just smooth off the dribble and just as smooth behind the Arc. Great court leader, can take over the point at any time and run the offense if need be. Solid, solid player.

Brittany Herrick is an All-American. She may have the best all around post offensive skill that I've seen. Now take that in stride, I was there calling games during the Kay Mik years, but Kay didn't have the 10-15 foot jumper that Herrick has made automatic, she just doesn't miss it.  She did get outmuscled alot in the Emory game, but fought back hard against girls that had at least 25 pounds on her.

Becky Knapp still playing inconsistently. I think at this point she should be able to run the point consitently when she is in the game.  She made some really really bad passes against Emory and Maryville and Eggers would take the point for the next couple posessions.  I still love her heart though. She is probably the most atheletic point that UW-O has had in a while, don't get me wrong, the Turtenwalds were really good, but just not as quick as Knapp is.

Kelly O'Keef is a dead eye. When she is on, she can really light it up. She doesn't do much inside the arc, but I think with her height she could pose as a tough matchup with smaller shooting guards, same goes for Eggers.

Whitney Tyriver is waiting for something. She seems slightly hesitant at times. Coming from Ohskosh-WEST, she is the one girl that knows the coach Shumacher and her offense better than anybody else(Shumacher coached at Oshkosh WEST previous to UW-O).  While it may not be her place, I think at times, she needs to take the offnesive reigns a little bit more. She'll be a good player when she gets a chance to shine.

The bench play is...inconsistent. If the starting 5 can't get it done, it's not going to get done.

So, there you have it. I wish the Lady Titans all the best, I'm rooting for you all the way from Atlanta.
And if all else fails, just beat Eau Claire!
 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 02, 2006, 10:24:56 am
Kluch-

UWO at EC this upcoming Saturday.  However, EC plays at WW on Tuesday.  The way EC has played on the road, this one doesn't look good.  Look at the difference playing at home and on the road for EC:

EC's road games
Millikin L 56-77 
St. Norbert L 47-61 
UW-Stout L 62-82
UW-River Falls L 61-72
Chapman L 44-60
Claremont-Mudd Scripps L 55-69
 
EC's Home Games
St. Scholastica Zorn Arena (EC) W 60-48 
Luther College Zorn Arena (EC) W 64-59
UW-La Crosse Zorn Arena (EC) L 63-72 
Sat Dec 10, 2005 Carroll College W 66-61 
Tue Dec 13, 2005 Carleton College W 59-50

Luther blew out Millikin earlier this season and their only loss is to EC.  I think they will go deep into the tourney and possibly even win it.
UWL is currently undefeated
Carroll defeated UWO and Point.  Their only loss is to EC.
Carleton has been at the top of the MIAC the last few years.

So EC has been playing pretty well at home.  However, they need to do WAY better on the road, where they aren't even close to winning games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 11:35:32 am
Kluch-

Hope all is well in Atlanta. But ya gotta edit Oshkosh North to Oshkosh West before my brain hemmorages.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:06:32 pm
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ??  yup La crosse ...  they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it....  They should be in the top 5 easy....  it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out.  La crosse fans...  Get  in your cars and make the trip to menomonie wed...   the girls need the support on the road. I love the fact that most of you on this post think La crosse will be handed there first loss of the year wed...   I wouldnt be trying to get this team even more motivated than they already are if your a stout fan.   Should be a good game        GO EAGLES
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:17:28 pm
One more thing    ...  The undefeated in the top 25 have records that consist of           ....  4 teams 10-0   2 teams 9-0 1 team 8-0 and then there is LAX  13-0    thats a pretty big statement if you ask me...   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2006, 12:44:24 pm
I believe the Stout-LaCrosse game isn't already decided. LaCrosse gave Stout a tremendous game last year in the post-season, and you could see UW-L was priming for a run. All they needed were a few more players and/or more experience, and I believe they got both. If I were Stout, I'd be doing some serious talking about collective effort.

What a flip flop from last year to this! What a great conference.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 12:56:16 pm
I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 02, 2006, 04:07:16 pm
Kluch

Fair assements for Herrick, Eggers, and O' Keef.

I think Knapp is consistent...her role on the team is the lock down defensive player. Here and there, she will drop double digits for ya. But that wasn't expected out of her in the beginning of the year, so I suggest thats a nice surprise for Oshkosh. Passing-wise, she is NOT the point guard on this team. That is still Eggers position. Knapp is more of a 2-guard.

Tyriver...she is a sophomore and I believe that she will come around in the second half. I was impressed that she guarded Duoss against Stout. Not really slowing her down much, it was still impressive that she went at her. Again, look for Tyriver to improve in the second half.

If LaCrosse wasn't having the season they were, I would suggest Schumacher coach of the year. And again, what you saw of the offense Kluch in Atlanta is not what we have seen here in the WIAC. Just ask Stoutguy how good the offense was against Stout  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 04:44:24 pm
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ??  yup La crosse ...  they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it....  They should be in the top 5 easy....  it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out. 

We took a week off for Christmas. I hope that didn't offend you too much. Also, remember they are called RANKINGS, not standings. Simply being unbeaten doesn't guarantee you a spot at any particular space.

I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.

Agreed. Oglethorpe may deserve to be higher as well -- 9-1 with a loss to D-I Davidson and handled Chapman with ease, unlike UW-L.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 02, 2006, 04:47:07 pm
I believe the Stout-LaCrosse game isn't already decided. LaCrosse gave Stout a tremendous game last year in the post-season, and you could see UW-L was priming for a run. All they needed were a few more players and/or more experience, and I believe they got both. If I were Stout, I'd be doing some serious talking about collective effort.

What a flip flop from last year to this! What a great conference.



  Foul, you and I know this game is far from decided. Stout at 7-5 comes off a couple losses in holiday tourney play.

 LAX is, well, undefeated.

 I would say the 20 game BlueDevil winning streak vs. the Eagles is definately in play. Last win for LAX against Stout was in January 1996.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 02, 2006, 07:30:10 pm


I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.

Agreed. Oglethorpe may deserve to be higher as well -- 9-1 with a loss to D-I Davidson and handled Chapman with ease, unlike UW-L.
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Chapman led Oglethorpe most of the game, up by as many as 15 or so. Like your rankings comment. Final score does not always indicate how close a game was.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 07:38:03 pm
Can't find a box score on this game, but you're saying that Chapman led by as many as 15 before losing by 11?

I note with some amusement that Chapman's athletics site thinks Oglethorpe is in Nebraska. They should visit D3hoops.com once in a while.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 08:08:35 pm
Found a box score. Chapman got off to a quick start, led by 10 for six minutes. Over the final 23 and a half minutes, Oglethorpe outscored them 48-27.

Chapman's biggest lead was 14.

I'll take my version of events over your spin. Over the final 16 minutes, Chapman led just one time, and it was never a one-possession game in the final five minutes, with Oglethorpe keeping Chapman at bay. Not bad for a team traveling 3,000 miles to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2006, 09:44:33 pm
I doubt anyone is going to rise from 19th to 5th in a single poll, let alone a program that's just establishing itself for the first time.   LaCrosse is on the national voters radar and if they keep winning they'll advance up the ranks in due course.  Chmwest would be better off waiting for the regional polls are released to see how much respect the Eagle get.  Those are the ones that count.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 09:54:13 pm
VOFT(n.b.?)
I'm so sorry, and I'm better than that...I wrote that really early in the morning, I think I went thru 3 or 4 previews before i actually posted. Again my bad.  How's your squad doing?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 11:38:24 pm
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ??  yup La crosse ...  they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it....  They should be in the top 5 easy....  it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out. 

We took a week off for Christmas. I hope that didn't offend you too much. Also, remember they are called RANKINGS, not standings. Simply being unbeaten doesn't guarantee you a spot at any particular space.


Ok no I am not "offended that you took the week off"  At the bottom of the d3hoops.com top 25 page it says it is published weekly.  I dont think division 1 decided not to vote last week?  correct me if I am wrong on that...  If you read my post you will realize the word standings is not mentioned. If I was looking at this from a "standings" point of view then I would be wanting LAX #1. I realize there are factors that go into the RANKINGS but I was just pointing out the records of the other top 25 teams. When you rank teams you compare them and one of the ways you compare is by record. If they were only compared by record then obviously LAX would be #1 since they are 13-0 and nobody else in the top 25 has 13 wins. However I realize the other factors such as strength of schedule , common opponents etc. I was calling for a top 5 placement and I am not judging just by record. As far as the LAX Chapman game goes compared to oglethorpe chapman I am thinking wisconsin is not just a hop and a skip away from orange county california.  Both teams traveled far and both teams beat a respectable chapman team. 13-0 on any level is very impressive and again I feel that based on the teams in the top 25 now LAX should be in the top 5.     
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 04:38:55 pm
I don't really care what Division I decided to do last week. How many Division III games got played that week? Just 59, the same one-third of your average Saturday during the season. That's not a good reason to re-rank teams, based on the equivalent of less than one day's games.

We've been at this for seven years. Please give us some credit for knowing what we're doing.

New women's poll is posted, by the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2006, 10:40:35 pm
WHITEWATER[/color] shoots 54% from the floor and opens up a 20 point second half lead.   But Eau Claire's full court pressure forced 14 second half turnovers and the BluGold closed to within nine before consecutive three-point baskets by Amy Morris and Trisha Thill swung momentum back in the WARHAWK'S[/color] direction and they finished with a convincing 85-71 win.

Thill scored a game high 18 points to lead WHITEWATER[/color].  Wendt seems to be picking up her game and contributed 16 points and a game leading 8 rebounds.  Amy Morris also scored 16 points and Lindsey Buechner had 13 points.

It was a good win for the WARHAWKS[/color].  For most of the game they were dominant and improves their season record to 8-5 while evening out the conference mark at 2-2.   Eau Claire continues to struggle. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 03, 2006, 10:57:32 pm
VOFT(n.b.?)
I'm so sorry, and I'm better than that...I wrote that really early in the morning, I think I went thru 3 or 4 previews before i actually posted. Again my bad.  How's your squad doing?

no problem at all. i just hear "North" and I start convulsing. the squad is young this year. tough conference to compete in with a frosh PG.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 03, 2006, 11:26:05 pm
How the mighty have fallen!

EC 85
WW 71

UWO 49
UWP 50

Badgerwarhawk gave a good summary of the game.  I listened to it on the radio.  WW was hot from 3 (8-15) and it sounded like they got a lot of close inside points off of both fast breaks and their half court offense.  EC fought back again with their freshman (Witt, Hakanson, Arch.) along with Burns.  However, with a few minutes remaining the announcer said it looked like Burns jammed a finger and came out of the game.  

So far this year the most impressive lineup for EC has included Witt, Hakanson, Arch., and Burns along with someone else.  Even on the post game show, Englund said she's probably going to make some changes in the lineup that will make EC even younger.  However, for EC to greatly improve Mueggenborg needs to hit the outside shot and Becker needs to score more.  Personally I would like to see EC full-court press more with the likes of Becker, Witt and Arch.

Big game on Saturday with EC and UWO going at it.  It is clear that both teams are struggling right now.  A win could give one of these teams the jumpstart they need, while a loss could set a team into a tailspin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 04, 2006, 01:27:41 am
These numbers hurt to look at:

Points in Paint
Platteville 30/50
Oshkosh   18/49

Eggers: 4/17, 0 assists

With these numbers, I don't think enough is going on for Oshkosh to pull out a win against anybody with these numbers. With a player like Herrick, 18 should be a given, and then add in some lay-ups from others...and when Eggers is that cold, and can't even get one dish?


Oshkosh was lucky tonight to only lose by one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 03:11:51 am
Not only were the stats ugly to look at Mr. Downtown, so was the game itself. Give credit to Platteville for very good defense (obviously it's what their best at) and hustle. In my mind, the latter is what won the game for them. They crashed the boards, especially offensive, early in the game. Ugly sight for the Titans in the final minute: Shannon Eggers called for a over-the-back and in the process got "body-slammed" to the court. Whoever's back she was on (i can't remember) kinda tossed her over her back and she fell violently on her shoulder. You could tell she was in obvious pain when she was on the floor. Talking to her after the game, she was pretty sure it was a separated shoulder (seems to have happened often before). Also, according to her, this game is a good example of what happens her and Herrick "suck." I honestly think this game was just an aberration, but if Eggers is a no go against Eau Claire this weekend, they're in deep trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 05:20:57 pm
Found out today that Eggers injury doesn't appear to be as serious as first speculated. Oshkosh can only hope so cuz they'll need her against Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 07:50:32 pm
Conference race is on!!!

Stout defeats Lax 68-55

Of course Duoss leads Stout.  Both teams shot in the 30%s.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 10:09:56 pm
Stout is video webcasting some of its games this year.  I enjoyed watching it at home.  Its pretty good video work but no announcer(s), so you didn't know what the score was or who made a basket, etc. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2006, 10:02:40 am
UWSP shoots 62.7% in beating Superior 87-51.  Point outrebounds Superior 41-15.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 05, 2006, 10:08:23 am
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Stout is video webcasting some of its games this year.  I enjoyed watching it at home.  Its pretty good video work but no announcer(s), so you didn't know what the score was or who made a basket, etc. 

My hope is that we can bring a televised game to the internet. Thats why I was asking if people would watch...seeing that it costs a lot of money to take a live telecast, and shoot it out over the internet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 10:31:50 am
Isn't it classic that a new poster comes on the board, his first posts go off about the lack of respect his undefeated team is getting in the polls and then the team immediately loses.   No offense intended cmhwest but you're a jinx.  ;);)

Don't mind me I've always been the superstitious type. :)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 05, 2006, 11:15:48 am
Isn't it classic that a new poster comes on the board, his first posts go off about the lack of respect his undefeated team is getting in the polls and then the team immediately loses. No offense intended cmhwest but you're a jinx. ;);)

Don't mind me I've always been the superstitious type. :)



BW, Maybe I need to arrange a new poster to jinx each of the next opponents the BlueDevils play as the season goes along.   ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 12:46:31 pm
BW, Maybe I need to arrange a new poster to jinx each of the next opponents the BlueDevils play as the season goes along.   ;)


Next time remind me not to give you any ideas.  ;):)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2006, 11:41:54 pm
Very bad news for UWEC.

Burns out 6-8 weeks with a broken thumb.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 04:31:04 pm
Stout down early to Point 20-8.  No Duoss, at a wedding.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 11:31:29 pm
UWO wins over UWEC in OT 63-59.

UWEC jumps out to a 24-16 halftime lead but it could have been more if they would have hit some bunnies that they missed.  EC plays great defense. 

About 3min into second half Becker gets injured (ankle) while in a full court press.  While shes down, UWO has a 5 0n 4 advantage and O'Keef ends up hitting a 3 with a EC foul occuring away from the shooter.  So UWO gets the ball and O'Keef hits another 3.  Definately the turning point in the game.  UWEC's fresh and sophs play even with UWO the rest of the way.  After EC ties it with seconds to play, Mueggenborg goes down with an injury, leaving Eggers wide open at they top of the key and she hits a 3 with 7sec left.  EC zipps through UWO's press and Heidi Arch. hits a 3 (the only 3-pointer for EC) at the buzzer sending the game into OT.

OT can plainly be summed up looking at the FT stats.  EC 0-5 (including a front end miss on 1-1)  UWO 4-5

Injuries:  With Burns already possibly out the rest of the year, EC didn't need to lose Becker to injury.  Her injury did not look good.  After the game, she was putting no weight on it.  She might be done, not sure though.  Mueggenborg did come back in for the last few seconds of the OT period, so it looks like she'll be OK.  Brooke Hakanson has also been out the last few games.  I don't know any details on her condition.  EC even ended up playing a couple players that I haven't seen play this year (except for Blue-Gold game).

Glad to see EC underclassmen play right with UWO with their two leaders out (Becker, Burns).  Now they need to play well on the road.  Flat out, EC needs some 3-point shooters.  An average high school team shoots better than EC from the perimeter.  Mueggenborg needs to hit her open 3s (0-6 tonight).

Neither of these teams are near where they have been in the past decade.  I was wondering at the half where UWO stars where (Herick, Eggers, O'Keef), but they sure played well in the 2nd half.

EC needs a big win Wednesday when Point comes to Zorn.  UWO has a tough game at Lax.

Point blows out Stout (no Duoss) 97-66.  Shows you what Stout is with out Duoss.  She is definately MVP of the WIAC so far.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2006, 12:19:07 am
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers and more turnovers.   That was pretty much the story of the WARHAWK[/color]/River Falls game.  WHITEWATER[/color] committed 30 and River Falls committed 24.  The WARHAWKS[/color] were within four points with just under two and half minutes remaining but three consecutive turnovers, solid free throw shooting by the Falcon and a three pointer by Cordes doomed any chance of pulling the game out.  RF was 9/19 from beyond the arc, the WARHAWKS[/color]shot 27% in the second half.  Lindsey Buechner led WHITEWATER[/color] with 17 points and 7 rebounds.  The final was 69-59.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 08, 2006, 12:43:31 am
buf -
Nice summary of the 'Golds vs. Titans match, which I attended.

I looked at the stats, and what surprised me was EC was 4-11 from the free throw line, but I didn't realize they missed all 5 in overtime... Yes, they do need a shooter from the outside, too... Will be interesting to see who steps up on this team as a leader in the next few years, too - who will want the ball down the stretch?

Would also really be interesting to see what would happen if this team got out and ran, run and gun. Not sure that is what you want to do with a young one, though...

Blugolds did hang in there, though, including an incredible three to force OT. But they had a few too many turnovers in OT, as Coach Englund noted in postgame comments...

This young team is playing its heart out. Hope they aren't getting discouraged, since they aren't seeing immediate results - Ws. But they will come...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 08, 2006, 10:16:22 am
I really hope I didnt Jinx Lax!!!  I was at the stout Lax game last wed and I was very impressed at the halftime adjustments Stout made. With a one point lead at the half Lax looked alot stronger than the one point lead suggested. There inside game was on fire and if it wasnt for a couple of desperation NBA 3 pointers while the shot clock was running down they would have been up by 7. The second half was a whole different game. Every time the ball went into the post, the Stout defense doubled  and triple teamed the reciever. This caused Lax to turn the ball over several times leading to easy baskets for Stout. I kept waiting for the LAX to pass the ball out of the post for a wide open 3 but it never came. Lax had several girls open on every possesion but seemed to prefer to force up a shot down low. Stout looked like they made up there mind that they were going to make Lax beat them from the outside. If Lax could have gotten the ball to somebody open for a few 3s that may have opened the post again but they never did.  LAX needs to keep there head up and realize they have ATLEAST one more shot at Stout this year and its at home. One more thing...  The Bench for Lax had been so productive all year...   They didnt play much against Stout and the starters seemed to get tired half way throught the second half. The last game of the year against Stout is going to be a big one. GO EAGLES!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 12:26:44 pm
bulk-

As of now I would have to think that Burns and/or Arch. would be the future leaders, but that could change.  When the shot clock was running down last night, Arch. was the one taking it to the basket.  After Becker went down, UWO put their best defender (Knapp) on Arch.

I would also like to see EC full court press a bit more.  They could put 3 out of these 4 (Witt, Arch, Mugg, Becker?) on the court and probably have some success with it.  Against a team like UWO (who doesn't have a deep bench), I would think a press could "pay good dividends" by the end of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 08, 2006, 02:10:45 pm
UWEC needs to run more. As you could see last night, that is what they were successful at unlike earlier this season when they didn't do that. I have to think  the next two years will be much different. If it takes a losing season this year, then that's how it will have to be. We're a young team and those rebuilding years are tough.  Plus right now, we are plagued by injuries and illnesses, and that certainly doesn't help. Burns will be out possibly for the season,  Brooke is questionable, Becker is questionable, Muggsy is questionable at this point. But this team is tenacious, and they are playing to win, with or without Burns despite what the Leader Telegram stated in today's article.

They played an awesome game last night and were very competitive. There are a few good leaders on that team. You'll see who they are next year for sure.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2006, 05:17:06 pm
Stout certainly missed Duoss in Stevens Point; but to be fair, Stout made some monumental mistakes that Duoss would have had no control over. Listening to the game, it sounded as though many times a Stout player scored, and immediately a Stout player fouled a SP player--especially toward the end. I don't know what kind of play that is, but if I were a coach, it wouldn't be in my play book. Especially when a team is down by 20 or more with five or fewer minutes left in the game, intentional fouls to get the ball after free throws seems crazy. Crazier if the other team is feasting off free throws.

It still sounds as though the team goes into some kind of panic mode as soon as the opponent gets a lead. Last year, that just made the team lick its lips, hungry for a good battle.

Thomas sounded frustrated during a men's game halftime interview.

On what page does the chapter on defense start?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 07:07:51 pm
Brooke Hakanson has been sidelined because of severe exhaustion.  Don't know when she'll be back.  She has the highest 3-point percentage on the team (with at least 1 attempt per game).

Kelli Emerson, who I believe is a decent outside shooter, is out for the year with a bad back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 09, 2006, 04:29:57 pm

On what page does the chapter on defense start?

foul_language,  It had better be Chapter 1, Page 1 from now on. I started getting worried about the Devils defense when Superior put up 70 points at Johnson Fieldhouse.

I guess if the team was going to play such lousy defense in a game and Duoss had to miss a game then it might as well be the same game.

Based upon what I heard on the radio and in talking to people that were there, had Kelsey played the game would have been closer but the result the same.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 09, 2006, 05:50:40 pm
FL -

I attended the game in SP.  I was actually looking forward to seeing Duoss play and how the Pointers would match up.  I must tell you, the game I saw, there could have been 2 Duosses on the floor and it wouldn't have mattered.  Point out ran Stout, suprisingly, but they've got some quick, young talent.  The second half was brutal!  I realize Stout is known for their physical abuse, but this was ridiculous.  I don't know what Thomas said at halftime, but it's clear that the game plan was to get away with as much slap crap, reaching in, pushing, displacing and getting thug physical as possible.  I'm not saying they tried to hurt anyone, but it wasn't basketball.  And it never ever surprises me that the officiating just doesn't get it.  I realize that you can't call them all, but if they called 10% we're looking at another hour of play.

I know Stout's game is to run, jack, foul, etc and that changes with Duoss in the paint, but the team I saw was just bad!  Turnover after turnover, fouls, terrible shot choices and a lack of togetherness.  This conference is way up for grabs - but how will our WIAC teams favor against the rest of the country?  Should be interesting...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 09, 2006, 05:58:18 pm
Reading the paper on the game at SP, Coach Thomas doubted whether Duoss would make a 31-point difference. I think it's pretty hard to say the result would be the same with her there. She's worth close to 20 of her own points, who knows how many more for getting teammates open shots, not to mention how she changes the offense of the other team.

Factor in the confidence Point starts the game with knowing she's not in the middle altering shots. And probably the Stout kids wondering where they're going to get those points from.

Take nothing away from Point, they had to play well to blister Stout, but Duoss is the league MVP for a reason. She makes every one around her better on both ends of the floor. They can pressure more on the perimeter cause they have the big helper in back. They also have a big-time rebounder to clean glass.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:29:54 pm
On second thought (and third and fourth), if Duoss averages 20 points a game--and assuming she would have hit her average at SP, Stout has 86 points.  Giver her, conservatively, eight rebounds--and to make it easy, we'll make it four defensive and four offensive--and we'll say Stout converts on half the defensive rebounds. We're at 90. Give her two blocked shots, to take away four of SP's points, and now we have a four-point game. Is my math right? The unknown is how many points we don't have from the players who took Duoss' place.

Anyway, if we also assume that Duoss gives Stout a level of confidence, that has to be worth some points. Maybe she could have been the turn-around factor. Billys is probably right in a lot of that. Players relax when they're comfortable; she may lend that level of comfort.

Now, a question about Stout women's play:  if this had been a men's game, would it have been considered 'brutal'? Do women have to play non-contact if that's not what basketball is today? I've wondered about this for years. I was told by a man who played the game over 40 years ago that when rebounding, you go up with your elbows out to catch the opponent under the chin and you come down with your elbows out to nail him on the shoulder. His dad told him that. If that was the rule of thumb 50-60 years ago, what do we expect to see on the court today? More recently, a player told me that she shouldn't have been called for a charge, because the opponent should have known to get out of the way.

I've seen all kinds of 'brutal' play, and it's not peculiar to Stout. That seems to be what opposing teams and fans expect, and you tend to see what you expect. I doubt if any coach tells a team to be rough; a coach is more likely to tell a team to go after the ball; players improvise from there. The question remains: was it brutal or aggressive? Was it 'brutal' because it was a women's game, but it would have been aggressive if it had been men?

Of course, I'm at a disadvantage, because I didn't see this game, but Stevens Point is no pushover team, so I'm pretty sure they gave as good as they got. Plus, they made their shots.  That was the most 'brutal' part.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:31:27 pm
What's this karma stuff and how do we get it?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 10:16:30 am
What's this karma stuff and how do we get it?


Check here....http://d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 10:56:59 am
That's  hilarious. Thank you for the information. I'd better watch myself, lest I be smited. Can you have negative karma?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 01:07:30 pm
Ask T2K about negative karma.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 01:26:28 pm
Negative triple figures. That's laugh-out-loud hilarious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 06:52:04 pm
It's awfully quiet. Some classic matchups tonight--well, what wouldn't be in the WIAC this year?--and I'm wondering if LaCrosse will recover after it's misstep last week to beat Oshkosh; if Eau Claire will take Stevens Point down a notch after Saturday's heady win; if Stout will regain its composure to get a rare win in River Falls. I'd love to see LaCrosse get about eight more wins before it's next loss.

In times of instant gratification, waiting until tomorrow's news is too long.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 11, 2006, 07:11:52 pm
EC vs. Point
It will be interesting to see who is able to play for EC tonight.  They will probably need all their horses if they want to beat Point.  I feel Point has underachived a bit so far this year, by looking at their results.  However, their last two results (scores) have looked very impressive.  So, I think they are finding their stride.  They certainly have a lot of good players on the roster.

UWO vs. Lax
Whoever wins this, will have a bit of a heads up on conference.  I think I will give a slight edge to UWL since they are playing at home.  On the other hand, if UWO wins, that would make two big road wins in their current 3-game road trip, in which they did a lot of traveling around the state.


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 09:43:33 pm
Stout over River Falls, 71-59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2006, 10:15:07 pm
UWO over LX by 22.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2006, 10:31:31 pm
WARHAWKS[/color] drill Platteville 79-50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 11, 2006, 10:42:16 pm
UWEC 67, Pointers 63

Blugolds attacked the middle on the Pointers and get a solid games inside from post players Liz Van Drasek, Ashley Anderson and Brittanni Hakanson, who lead the team in rebounds with nine and points with 18.

How fitting Hakanson was the one to hit the free throw with three seconds left to ice the game for the 'Golds. She had a whale of a game!

Blugolds pressed the majority of the night, too, which created enough turnovers to keep them around all night. The only two 3s they hit were in the first half, which allowed them to keep things close, too. Got into the bonus early in the second half, which really helped, since the FGs were even...

The 'Golds have been slowly putting things together, and tonight all that hard worked paid off in a nice win. They had a complete game on both ends, and didn't seem intimidated to be playing one of the top teams in the conference... Nice to see nearly 1,200 fans turn out, too, after Coach Englund in the paper recognized the role and importance the fans play...

I think the Blugolds learned, too, that you don't turn your back on the Pointers' Cassandra Schultz. Don't know if their is anyone in this conference who has as quick a first step as she does...  Becky Pepper had a nice game, too, with her hustle, boarding and six points for UWSP. Natalie Lechault had one of the better games I've seen her play, too, scoring a team leading 18.

So, things tighten up again in the standings...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 01:57:05 am
Umm...

I think we know where La Crosse is when it comes to the best teams in the conference.

I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to the All-WIAC team consideration...I know Eggers and Herrick are shoe-ins...but what about Kelly O'Keef? The most deadly 3 point shooter in the WIAC, is finding herself scoring a bunch of points for Oshkosh this year? If I got to vote, I would have to say right now 3 of Oshkosh's starting 5 would be on my 1st team All-WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 09:45:23 am
If anybody wants to see how oshkosh lost to emory here ya go...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5187086148186285421&q=oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2006, 10:43:53 am
So have you got the three best women players in the league too, Downtown?  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 12, 2006, 12:23:52 pm
While I'll never be quite as dazzled by Oshkosh as Mr. D, I am a little surprised that they're doing as well as they are. By most accounts, they are only five deep, they just went through a shake-up losing a coach, the new coach should be at the bottomoof a learning curve coming from high school to college level play. None of that seems to be knocking them off track. Maybe that's what pisses me off most about them.

Can I say 'pisses'?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 01:25:32 pm
Kluch-

Was there still time on the clock when the Emory bench came running onto the court, or was it a situation where they put :00.3 on the clock after the fact?

And while UWO may not be deep (just look at the minutes played by the starting 5 at LX), I can say first-hand that the new coach should not be a factor. She knows her stuff and is doing a great job. Look at the fact that they have 2 1-point losses, and another by 5 and they could easily be 13-2 or 14-1 right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 02:06:27 pm
Ha ha ha BadgerWarhawk...

No...I'm not saying we really have the 3 best players in the conference (we have 2  :) ) but I think O' Keef should get some early season consideration with her play this season. We'll see later on at the end of the season where she lands up being. I was just putting that out there to see if anyone agreed with me.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2006, 02:07:46 pm
Pretty good game by the Golds last night.  The game was close the whole way, with EC keeping their composure down the stretch.  Now, EC needs to go on the road and pick up some wins.

Mueggenborg out for the year with a torn ACL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 04:44:32 pm
VOFT:
Let me first say that the time keeping at the Emory game was suspect.  There were at least 6 times during the game when the refs had to stop play to reset the shot clock, quite frustrating.
But to answer your question there was quite the debate whether there was time left or not.  Eggs had clearly called timeout when the shot went down but the refs didn't see it so the clock "ran out".  Refs got together and put .3 back on for a catch and shoot that came up short.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 09:36:33 pm
I thought I heard a buzzer in there but wasn't sure. Even if there was a TO, clock should stop when the ball goes through in the last minute. But I guess that's what home court does for ya.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 06:34:28 pm
UWO sneaks by River Falls 75-72.  UWO seniors score all but 10 of their points.  O'Keef(UWO) and Bietler(RF) hot from 3-point range.  I think RF led 72-71 with a minute left.  UWO wins it by shooting good FTs(19-20) and only commiting 9 turnovers(compared to 18 for RF)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2006, 07:57:18 pm
Blugolds get second win in conference, leading Platteville most of the game, to win 71-60.

Liz Van Dresek had 9 boards and 11 points to lead the Blugolds, along with Heidi Arciszweski, who lead the team with 21, including 11-12 in FTs. She chipped in five boards too... Hakanson sisters, Brittanni and Brooke, chip in 10 and 11, too.

Key for Blugolds = 22 of 24 on free throws. Coach Englund just said on the radio postgame that that was an emphasis in practice this week, in part because she kidded that that was one way nobody would get hurt. Ha. Also had 5 of 9 on threes.... Englund also thanks the home crowd, for playing its part in helping the Golds win against the Pointers on Saturday,..

Holly Kaiser fouled out with 18, and Liz Tesch had 17 for Platteville. Lisa Grantman had nine boards...
 
Pioneers now 8-7 overall, and 4-3 in conference... Golds now 7-9 and 2-5....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 08:16:20 pm
Big road win for EC.  Huge game for Arc.  Its nice to see Van Drasek putting a couple good games together.  We need her to play well.  Its also nice to have Brooke Hakanson back on the court.  She was 3-6 from 3-point range and had a long 2-point basket where her foot was on the line.  Finally some 3 point shooting!!!.

This is a big win on the road, where EC hasn't come close to winning this year.  It could be a big confidence booster.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 15, 2006, 01:52:25 pm
With the midway point of the conferece season coming up...its now time...

FOR THE CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS (if the season were to end...)

Same thing I did last year, so from now on after each day of games...I will put out the new seedings in the conference...to give an idea to all those where teams are in the conference...and depending on who teams play, gives a good perspective about teams chances of winning the tourney.

1  Oshkosh  (6-1)
8  Eau Claire (2-5)

4  Stevens Point  (4-3)
5  Platteville         (4-3)

3  Stout          (5-3)
6  Whitewater (3-4)

2  La Crosse  (5-2)
7  River Falls  (3-4)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2006, 09:59:00 am
I don't care how much EC is struggling.  Would anyone really want to play them as a #8 seed?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2006, 01:17:38 pm
Oshkosh probably would.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 02:23:53 am
Ok, this is to Pat and anyone else that votes for the top 25...

How in the world is UW-La Crosse still ranked...and Oshkosh is not?

Let me remind you that out of Oshkosh's 4 losses, two of them were by one point, and 1 game was by 5 points. In those losses, the teams are a combined 36-20. Overall, Oshkosh's opponents record is 133-104, giving their opponets winning percentage a total of .561.

La Crosse's?

a total of 115-104, a winning percentage of .525

Also add in a butt whipping 22 point win by Oshkosh IN La Crosse.

Oshkosh might not be deserving right now to be in the top 25, but I don't know how La Crosse can be. Already we have seen them go against the two best teams in the WIAC (Stout and Oshkosh) and wilted (losing to Stout by 13...and again AT HOME to Oshkosh by 22).

Its easy to say, that La Crosse is a bit overrated. This team is a lot better, I mean A LOT BETTER...but they are not as good on the court as they are on paper.

Perhaps the way things are going...I don't even think any team in the WIAC should be ranked in the top 25.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2006, 09:27:03 am
Be carefull, Downtown.  You saw what happened to CMHWest's Eagle following his rant about the national rankings.   The Oshkosh women have a good thing going and you don't want that on your head do you?  ;)

Just Bill,
I can also say that WHITEWATER[/color] would rather see EC on our floor as the #8 seed than play on the road against #3 Stout.   Of course, if that were the case, it would mean that WHITEWATER[/color], or whoever EC played for that matter, would be the #1 seed and what program in the league wouldn't like to be that? 



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 18, 2006, 12:05:13 pm
In response to foul and Bill,
 
I wouldn't  get too hung up on seedings. EC is kicking butt without 2 of their good players, and may I remind you that Oshkosh almost lost in OT to them. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 03:07:20 pm
I have been turned on to this site a short time ago and found it interesting to read everyone's thoughts and opinions.

EChoops, you, as well as the EC newspapers and EC team may be getting a little a head of yourselves.   Until last week you had not won a conference game and have a losing record, now in the Leader Telegram there is all this talk about winning the conference tournament.  A great goal, but there are still many tough games ahead of them.  Looking too far ahead is always a teams downfall.

Also, since when has there been a WIAC Freshman of the Year award?  I wasn't aware there was such an award, but Tonya Englund keeps mentioning that Michelle Burns won that award last year.  Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2006, 03:32:48 pm
My reply to the "would anyone really want to face..." has more to do with Oshkosh not seeming to care who they face or what that team's particular ranking is, they're willing to take anyone on and give 'em a good game. Tenacious, I'd say. Like pit bulls.

wisconsinball: there tends to be some cheerleading on the site. It's interesting; we all end up doing it. it's kinda fun...it's a form of wishful thinking, I guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2006, 03:37:43 pm
There isn't a WIAC Freshman of the Year award.  Burns was likely the freshman who made the biggest impact last year, but there is no conference award.  Could Englund have been referring to a team award?  If not, then she's just blowing smoke.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 04:32:33 pm
Since there is no WIAC award for the Freshman of the Year, it is a little arrogant for a coach to say that, let alone say that to the newspaper (on more than 1 occasion). 

I am sure UWO would argue it was Tyriver, Stout with L. Geissler, UWW with Buechner, ect.

Who won the WIAC Newcomer of the Year award last year, Duoss or Eggers? :)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 04:33:32 pm
I know BadgerWarhawk...i was just trying to figure any reasoning behind this weeks voting...and at the sametime prove that the WIAC leader deserves a little bit more then 11 votes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2006, 10:23:13 pm
Tonights scores:

UW-Eau Claire 77, UW-Superior 54 at Superior   
UW-Oshkosh 70, UW-Whitewater 65 at Oshkosh   
UW-River Falls 74, UW-La Crosse 52 at River Falls   
UW-Stevens Point 72, UW-Platteville 44 at Platteville

EC continues mini win streak to 3 games
UWO keeps squeaking by
Honeymoon over for UWL
Point is playing the best over the last couple weeks




Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2006, 11:24:14 pm
Wisconsinball -

Don't recall seeing such a thing as a WIAC Freshman of the Year Award, and UWEC doesn't have player bios on the website. I haven't purchased a program this year, either. So, I don't know if Burns received a team award or not?

I also don't recall Coach Englund referring to Burns in that specific manner, either. Perhaps... But then I again, I wasn't listening for it, nor looking for that label in the paper. If it has occurred, though, it wouldn't have struck me as unusual or odd, because Burns is an impact player...

I do know, however, that there were 10 First Team WIAC players named last year, and 13 Honorable Mentions. Burns was an Honorable Mention, and the only freshman out of the 23...

My guess for the weekend? The Blugolds go into La Crosse, and come out with another W...

Oh. Speaking of impact players. Everyone vote for Points' Amanda Nechuta for the D3 25th Anniversary team...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 10:05:55 am
Throw a vote to Wendy Wangerin of UW-Oshkosh too.  I never saw her play but why wouldn't we support the WIAC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2006, 04:53:29 pm
CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS

Its clear that Oshkosh is number 1, now 2 games ahead of everyone. But who is the clear cut 2nd? With La Crosse, Stout, and Stevens Point all at 5-3. To break it down, La Crosse earlier in the year beat Stevens Point, so they are ahead of them, Stout lost to Stevens Point, but Stout beat La Crosse. So...just like the mens side (though, with this situation being in first place tie), we have to use Overall record.

1 Oshkosh  7-1  (1)
8 Eau Claire 3-5 (8)

4 Stout   5-3       (4)
5 Platteville 4-4  (5)

3 Stevens Point 5-3  (3)
6 River Falls   4-4      (7)

2 La Crosse   5-3       (2)
7 Whitewater 3-5      (6)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 05:24:15 pm
If you're going to try to break these ties, then you should really try to do it the same way the WIAC does.  They never use overall record.

All three teams lost to Oshkosh so no help there.

The next team in descending order is Platteville (by virtue of their win over River Falls).  Point and La Crosse defeated Platteville, but Stout lost.  That places Stout 4th.

We then revert to head-to-head tiebreaker which gives us La Crosse 2nd and Point 3rd by virtue of the Eagle's victory.

It actually turns out the same in this case, but it doesn't make sense to use overall record when that won't be accoutned for at the end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:43:49 pm
I have been turned on to this site a short time ago and found it interesting to read everyone's thoughts and opinions.

EChoops, you, as well as the EC newspapers and EC team may be getting a little a head of yourselves.   Until last week you had not won a conference game and have a losing record, now in the Leader Telegram there is all this talk about winning the conference tournament.  A great goal, but there are still many tough games ahead of them.  Looking too far ahead is always a teams downfall.

Also, since when has there been a WIAC Freshman of the Year award?  I wasn't aware there was such an award, but Tonya Englund keeps mentioning that Michelle Burns won that award last year.  Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:48:09 pm
I simply stated that EC is playing good ball lately, that's it plain and simple.  Nothing more, nothing less. Hope they can make it 4 in a row!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gustiesoaps on January 20, 2006, 09:51:17 am
Don't know if anyone caught the latest article out of oshkosh from UWO's favorite writer Larry Graham---you may remember him from his article bashing the university for hiring Schumacher and being very critical of that decision.

Well, he's back with a very different tone.  Here's the headline:

Schumacher proving she is the latest top-notch coach


http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060120/OSH07/601200560/1148
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 20, 2006, 12:47:24 pm
Saw that. Did a great job sticking to his guns. In September, Schumacher "lacked the experince to lead a team that was temporarily ranked #1 in the nation....last season."  Now, nothing but praise for the coach he called the "Cliff Claven of UWO women's basketball." Look for another flip-flop if McCarthy does well in GB this year.

I'm just happy there's big headlines that read "Larry Graham Article", so I'll know not to read them anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2006, 02:41:44 pm
In the men's forum this flip-flopping is known as "Eagling."   ;) :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 21, 2006, 12:46:20 pm
Vote for Amanda Nechuta - DIII Women's Basketball 25th Anniversary Team

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/fanpolls/1013
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:10 pm
What happened to internet broadcast of the Stout-Platteville game? >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:55 pm
Women's game; men's is playing...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 21, 2006, 05:53:33 pm
Final:
UWEC - 66, UWL - 50, in La Crosse.

Blugolds lead at half 31-27, then take a 48-43 lead on a Liz Van Drasek three pointer. Van Drasek scores six of the next eight points as the 'Golds make a run to go up 56-45.
Lead remains in double figures basically the rest of the way...

Van Drasek leads 'Golds with 13 points... Rachel Becker has 10 assists, 12 points and 7 boards. Jen Charboneau, with 5, provides a spark off the bench, too, for the 'Golds, who are back to the .500 mark.

Palmer, 13, and Hunter, 10, lead the Eagles in scoring.

One difference between the two games: First game, UWL wins 72-63, going 22 of 33 from the line, while 'Golds were 7 of 8. Today, however, the 'Golds make 15 of 27 vs. UWL's 7 of 17...

Four in a row for the 'Golds, with Stout coming to town on Wednesday. School will be back in session, and Stout will be bringing their entourage from just up the road, so Blugold fans, get out and fill up Zorn on Wednesday... Should be a great atmosphere for D3 college hoops!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 21, 2006, 06:00:00 pm
How the "mighty" have fallen

Big win for Eau Claire, and to win 4 in a row in the WIAC without being at your very best is terrific. La Crosse is in a major funk. Now 5-4 in conference. They go from the being the best, to now possibly right in the middle of the conference.

They better bounce back soon...cause if they don't then they will be playing on the road in the WIAC tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2006, 07:59:30 pm
CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS

We have a situation once again between Eau Claire, Platteville, and River Falls being tied.

Now, remembering the tiebreaker situation, I believe they have it by who they have beaten depending on the standings. So first would be Oshkosh. Seeing that Platteville is the only team to beat Oshkosh this year, they get the tiebreaker and placed 5th. Seeing that River Falls beat Eau Claire, they are the 6th seed, while Eau Claire would be 7th.


1 Oshkosh (8-1)
8 Whitewater (3-5)

4 La Crosse  (5-4)
5 Platteville  (4-5)

3 Stout        (6-3)
6 River Falls (4-5)

2 Stevens Point (6-3)
7 Eau Claire       (4-5)

Big game in Stevens Point on Wednesday, If Oshkosh wins they will not only have a 3 game lead of Point. But also by doing so in case Stout and Oshkosh tie at the end of the year, Oshkosh would own the tiebreaker (seeing that Stout and Oshkosh would spilt) sweeping Stevens Point. A Point team that Stout lost pretty badly without Duoss.

How important is home court advantage in womens basketball? In the 7 year history, the number 1 seed has ALWAYS won the conference tourney.

Though, here is an interesting question to put out there, does anyone think that WIAC is going to have 2 teams in the tourney this year? Right now, if Oshkosh doesn't win the tourney, I think they have a strong bid to claim a pool C bid...if they were to win out the rest of the season of course  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2006, 02:02:53 pm
Downtown-

If UWO wins the rest of their games during the regular season and happens to lose in the conf. tourney, they would be a lock for a Pool C Bid.

IMO, UWO should be able to lose 2 more games in the regular season and still be able to get in the NCAA tourney if they happen to lose in the conf. tourney.  If this would occur, UWO would have 6 in-region losses.  Last year that wasn't good enough, but with 13 more Pool C Bids this year, they would be a good bet to get in.  Of course all this is too premature at this point in the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:33:38 pm
OK, it's my own damn fault for not being around ... but somebody mentioned a WIAC team and the words "lock for a Pool C bid" in the same sentence without the words "screwed out of". I know the tourney has expanded, but what are the new breakdowns?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:46:24 pm
Oops. I found Mr. Coleman's FAQs. I am now educated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 23, 2006, 05:00:09 pm
What happened to internet broadcast of the Stout-Platteville game? >:(

foul,

 I think you should e-mail the Program Director at WMEQ.com and let them know the womens game wasn't on the internet.

 Sometimes the Board Operator forgets to flip the switch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 25, 2006, 10:31:56 am
Pretty quite on here, especially with the big games coming up tonight.

Maybe to get some discussion going (even thought we are already a game into the 2nd half of the conf season) and copy the men's WIAC board with the Mid-Season conference

POY- Kelsey Duoss- Stout, obvious reasons
COY- Lois Heeren - UWL, has made a huge step forward, even with last few losses

All Conference:  Eggers-UWO, Herrick-UWO, Schultz-UWSP, Kaiser-UWP, O'Keefe-UWO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 02:03:42 pm
POY-Duoss
COY-Heeren

All Conf- Duoss, Herrick, Eggers, Schultz, Kaiser, Riemann, Becker, O' Keef, Morris, Buechner
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 04:27:27 pm
I'm hesitant to do so, because the way this league goes, things will change by the end of the season, anyway. Ha. But...

Coach of the Year - UWL's Lois Heeren.

Co-POY - Stout's Kelsey Duoss and Oshkosh's Brittany Herrick.

But MVPs - in a sense of who is most valuable to a their respective teams - Point's Amanda Schultz and UWEC's Rachel Becker...

Some good ballgames tonight, ladies and gentlemen... Back with my take on the UWEC/Stout game after it's done!


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2006, 08:51:34 pm
Anybody with updates to the UWO/SP game? Neither link on the SP page is working.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2006, 10:16:16 pm
Stevens Point gets the big win

66-63
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 10:52:27 pm
Stout over EC 67-54.  For the first 10min, I thought EC was playing some D-1 team wearing UW-Stout jerseys.  Stout was hitting everything.  If I remember correctly, they only missed 1 shot in the first 10 minutes of the game.  At this time, the score was 32-9.  EC goes on a small run to end up down 15 at the half.  Most of the 2nd half had Stout leading by 10-12 points.  Stout uped it to 17 with 5min to go and then EC rallys back to make it a seven point game with 1:30 left.  Stout hits their FTs down the stretch.

In the first half EC's seniors stunk up the place.  Becker rebounded with a pretty good second half but Van Drasek played even worse then she did before the half, if that was possible. 

IMO, Duoss is the clear MVP of the WIAC: 25pts 13reb tonight.  However, I would have liked to see more 3-second calls on her this evening.


Point outscores UWO 10-3 in the final 3min to win 66-63.  Makes the conference race a little more interesting. 

 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:30:56 pm
After seeing Kelsey Duoss tonight, I'll give her the mid-season POY award that I earlier today had her sharing with UWO's Brittany Herrick.

As buf notes, it seemed like Stout hit everything in the first half; I was surprised their field goal percentage in the half was only 46.7%. Seems like they hit about 80% of their shots... Perhaps it seemed like 80% because they hit 5 of 10 threes in the half. Or maybe it was the fact that EC only shot 7-27, or 25.9%, in the half.

That first-half shooting and big 17-0 run after a 3-0 start by the 'Golds enabled the Devils to open up a 38-23 lead, which the 'Golds could never make up... Spent a lot of energy trying to climb out of the hole they dug, but the closest they could come was 7 in the second half.

I liked the fight in this Blugold team tonight, though, and I know they don't want moral victories, but...

And, if my math his right, there is now a three-way tie at the top? Stout, Oshkosh and the Pointers all 8-3????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 11:44:23 pm
UWO is 8-2, while Stout and Point are 7-3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:58:08 pm
Yep, good catch buf...

I took the standings from the WIAC site, and added a loss to UWO, but neglected to see that they were already updated for tonight's games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2006, 11:42:22 am
RF beats Superior by 10 which isn't very remarkable in itself.  But, Superior attempted ZERO free throws.  I'm not sure I've ever seen that before in a college game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2006, 01:28:24 pm
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS

1 Oshkosh        8-2
8 Whitewater   3-6

4 La Crosse      6-4
5 River Falls      5-5

3 Stout             7-3
6 Platteville      4-5

2 Stevens Point  7-3
7 Eau Claire        4-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2006, 02:22:31 pm
Just Bill-

Last night, EC men came close to the zero FT attempts by the Superior women's team.  They were 0-2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2006, 01:08:44 pm
Rico 21 (via the men's board)-

I am not complaining about the EC men getting only 2 attempts.  I know they were constantly running the shot clock down and taking 3 pointers. 

Earlier in the day, I was looking at all the boxscores for the conference and noticed EC was 0-2.  I then saw Just Bill's post about zero FT attempts by Superior, so I posted about what I saw in the EC-Stout boxscore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 09:37:17 am
BDB
Quote
I think you should e-mail the Program Director at WMEQ.com
How does one do that? I'm trying to make sure I don't miss another game, went to the WMEQ website and see absolutely NO 'contact us' links. Of course, the new site is a little busy, so it could be there. I'm not seeing it. UW-Stout site says both games are scheduled, but my faith has waned after last week.

Nice game in Eau Claire, though; rather than try to listen, I went.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 05:41:29 pm
UWO 48
RF 67

No O'Keef for UWO.  I noticed she has been out a couple of games lately.  Anyone know why???

Anyway, Eggers with only 2pts, and Herrick with 8pts.

RF had 5 players in double figure scoring.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:16:17 pm
Stout blows a golden opportunity by losing to Whitewater. Can't wait to see the stats; sounds like WW dominated the boards.

It's a crazy year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:34:59 pm
LaCrosse smacks Superior around. It was only a six point game the last time they met. I had hoped better for Superior, but no recruiting last year, none this year. Chances are Superior isn't going to have a better season next year, either. I believe Superior has opened its search for men's and women's coaches again, but I perceive (from rumored requirements) them to be really screwy. At Superior, if it ain't hockey, it just ain't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 10:28:48 pm
UWEC over UWP 49-37.  Good defense, poor shooting to sum it up.  Gold's looked better in the 2nd half.  After a horrible performance on Wednesday, Van drasek shoots lights-out from the outside the arc (3/4).  Zenner had 11 pts and Arc. chipped in with a double-double (10pts, 11rebs).  Anderson and Becker played sparingly as they are nursing ankle injuries.

UWEC's zone completely takes Kaiser out of the game.  UWP had some decent looks from the outside but couldn't knock them down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 12:10:36 am
Platteville had a chance to take its first lead of the night, and go in at the half with the momentum, but Heather Witt's steal and layup to close out the first half was a big one for the Blugolds, to keep them up 21-18.

'Golds then came out in the second half to go on a 15-0 run, to basically put the game away. Liz Van Dresek had 13, and  hit two threes during the run, and Heidi Arciszewski added one. She scored 10, with 11 boards, and showed why she will be all-conference in this league... Amanda Zenner had a nice game, too. Seems to quietly provide a spark...

As buf said, Platteville had some open shots, launching 25 threes, hitting but four. Were only 2-17 in the second half as they tried to catch up...

Stout and Oshkosh both lose? Who wants that coveted home court advantage throughout the conference tournament???  ;) Watch out for those Pointers...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2006, 01:59:20 am
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS

"What the hell is going on here!"

Like I said on the Men's side, bear with me on this one...

1 Oshkosh               8-3
8 Platteville              4-6

4 La Crosse             7-4
5 River Falls             6-5

3 Stout                     7-4
6 Eau Claire              5-6

2 Stevens Point        7-3
7 Whitewater           4-6

Best Games on Wednesday:

4. Whitewater @ Platteville: Honestly, these are 4 very important games on Wednesday for the women's side, and quite frankly this day will probably have more impact on the year then the men's side. These teams are battling for the 7th seed in this case. Whitewater won the first match up this year, and Platteville once considered a darkhorse is falling into the shadow. They need a win to give them some confidence.

3. River Falls @ Stout: What is going on with the lady Blue Devils? One would say that coming home would be the right remedy for them. But not against a very hot River Falls team that is finding there stroke. In all honesty, due to sickness both O'Keef and Eggers were no where close to 100%. But again, the Falcons almost knocked off the Titans at Kolf this year. This is a blow up game, meaning that if River Falls can pull off the upset, this conference is really going to be out of place.

2. Eau Claire @ Stevens Point: The Pointers have to feel great right now, beating Oshkosh by 3 to spilt the year series. Playing at home is right where they want to be, cause depending on what happens in La Crosse, they could regain home court advantage. Of course, that would be the case if they weren't playing the hottest team in the WIAC, in Eau Claire. At one point, it was a pipe dream to think Eau Claire could get back to .500 in the WIAC, now they are one win away. If you are going to pick an upset, this might be it.

1. La Crosse @ Oshkosh: Losing two more games on the road just shows that Oshkosh's weakness is playing on the road. Simply, this team is totally different when they are away (3-3), and when they are home (5-0). Which is a good thing they have La Crosse visiting. But with doubts now about the health of O'Keef and Eggers, what kind of Oshkosh team should we expect? Remember, the number 1 seed has always won the conference tourney for womens basketball...just ask Oshkosh, as the past 4 years they have lost on the road in the championship game. Battling for homecourt advantage, attempting to get healthy, all the while playing against a La Crosse team that themselves are trying to win this thing...might not add up to being good news for Oshkosh. This is the Statement game, cause whoever wins will be making one.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 02:05:52 am
Mr. Downtown.
Just got over from the men's side here, and was wondering if you were going to break down the standings as of this moment for the women, too. Ha.

Keep up the good work, and the great insights, too. Now go to bed, already.  Ha.

With the way things are shaking out on the women's side, who knows how late we will be up posting here on Wednesday/early Thursday.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 04:15:52 pm
So, I decide to take a peek at the CCIW to see how Millikin (last year's DIII champ, and whose road to the championship was arguably at its bumpiest when Millikin faced Stout and beat them with a 3-point shot at under--what was it?--30 seconds on the clock) is doing this year. Tied for fifth place out of eight with a 3-4 record. I really expected them to dominate. Maybe they're holding for a late-season surge. The teams that never seem to waver are those east coast teams, Southern Maine and the other whoevers.

Does anyone pay attention to the non-Central teams and know which are powerhouses and which just make top-25 lists because they have weak opponents/conferences?

What about non-WIAC teams in the area--Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois?

Who do you look out for? We're getting close enough to post-season to start making some guesses, anyway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:32:18 pm
foul-

I follow non-central region teams.  More so through looking at stats and listening on the radio (not actually seeing them play live unless vs. UWEC at Zorn).  But I think I have a pretty good grasp of the recent history of D3.  I will try to list some contenders from the regions.

Central
I would say Wheaton and Wash U are the top 2.  Millikin started the season well but has now fallen flat on their face.  However, I wouldn't count this team out just yet.  A couple of their players are out with injuries??? and one of their better players from last year is just returning after tearing her ACL.

Maryville has a good record and has defeated Wash U earlier this year, but they come from a weak conference and I don't expect much from them in the post season.

Carroll has beaten UWO and Point but lost to EC.  A solid team, but I wasn't too impressed with them at Zorn.  Lawrence has also emerged in the MWC, however they have some tough games left.

In the UAA, there is Chicago.  I just don't think they will survive the rest of the UAA schedule.

My top central teams:
1. Wheaton
2. Wash U
3. Point
4. UWO
5. Carroll
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:58:47 pm
West

This region is up for grabs.  My preseason favorite, St. Bens started out well but has lost a couple lately.  I have watched a few of their home games via video stream on the internet.  They have a good post (Hiekenen) and a good 3-point shooter (Noreen) but thats about it besides a couple decent roll players.  I think that Point, UWO or Stout would be able to handle them.  Gustavus and Concordia are other atop the MIAC.  I wasn't too impressed with Gustavus at EC's Thanksgiving touney, but they seem to be playing better now.

Leading the IIAC is Simpson.  Other threats are Buena Vista and Luther.  I was really impressed with Luther at EC's thanksgiving tourney.  They destroyed Gustavus and EC played a great game to beat them.  After starting the season on a roll, their play has dipped a bit.  BV has been atop the conference the last few years.  Don't know much about Simpson.  Usually IIAC teams win 1 or 2 in the tourney and thats about it.

IMO, the NWC is the best west region conference.  I would watch out for Pacific Lutheran.  I saw them play 3 years ago when EC played them in the NCAA tourney, and they almost beat EC.  I like their coach.

A couple California teams will make the tourney, but I don't expect them to do much, eventhough EC dropped a couple out there during the Holidays.

Top West teams:
1. Pacific Lutheran
2. Simpson
3. St. Benedict
4. Puget Sound
5. Buena Vista/Luther

I will give my opinion on other regions later.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2006, 06:47:02 pm
Stout blows a golden opportunity by losing to Whitewater. Can't wait to see the stats; sounds like WW dominated the boards.

It's a crazy year.



WHITEWATER[/color] won the battle of the boards 51-45 but more importantly 23 of those were on the offensive side of the floor.   So WHITEWATER[/color] took 14 more shots than the Blue Devil though neither team shot that well.   Stout had their chances down the stretch as WHITEWATER[/color] only made 7 of 16 free throw attempts in the final 2:38.  But WHITEWATER[/color] got enough stops and held on.  Stout took the first game by 22 points so this was huge turnaround.  Coach Thomas was noticeably frustrated. 

It was a nice win against a good program and her mentor for coach Carollo.   
 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 07:40:25 pm
My top Great Lakes teams:
1. Depauw-only loss at Wash U
2. Hope-always up there year in year out.  Good coaching staff
3. Baldwin Wallace
4. Calvin-Hope's archrival

South teams:
McMurry
Randolph Macon
Trinity
Hardin Simmons

I'll just group all the east coast region teams into one. 

Brandeis
NYU
Southern Maine
Bowdoin
Rochester
Scranton

The UAA teams are the strength of the east coast regions.  There are a lot of teams in these regions with good records, but most are pretenders on the national scene.  The quality (depth) isn't the same that is found in the central, west and great lakes regions.  However, the teams listed above are good and I would expect to see probably 2 of them make the Final Four,  not because I think that 2 listed above are in the top four nationally, but since the east coast is isolated you will find teams out there grouped together, thus creating a weaker bracket.  Someone has got to come out of that certain bracket(s) to make the Final Four.  For example, look at Point's mens team last year.  In the Final Four they played York and Rochester, who they both destroyed.  These teams weren't anywhere near the top 4 in the country, but were put in weaker (east coast) brackets.

I'm not saying that the east coast teams (besides UAA) don't have a chance.  Its just that throughout the past decade or so I have not seen much from these teams when they play against the rest on the country.  In fact, the last team from the 4 east coast regions (non-UAA) to win the national championship was Elizabethtown in 1989.


So there is my rundown as of now.  I have followed the central region the most and have kept a pretty good eye on the West.  The other regions, especially the east regions, I know very little of.




Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 08:00:41 pm
How do the schools mentioned in the various conferences as contenders match up in size? Does it matter? Which is more likely to contend: a larger school (# of students) or a school with a deeper tradition of basketball with a smaller student population? Is there any reliable indicator or pattern?

I tend to feel bad for the smaller schools competing against the bigger schools...until the little ones whip the snot out of the opponent. Then I have to wonder about dynamics--what got those players to the school. Without $ incentive, how do you get a player to choose a particular school? Do recruiters bring along a college catalog and dazzle prospects with  a dazzling display of majors and minors?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: uofs on January 29, 2006, 09:01:11 pm
buf out of the east who do you consider the pretenders?I hope you are not refering to Scranton because they are there every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:14:41 pm
uofs-

Your correct, Scranton does consitantly make it to the sweet 16 (and beyond).  They are definately a good team, but I think the eastern UAA teams and probably Southern Maine are better.  But again, I don't know a whole lot about most east coast teams.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:28:33 pm
foul-

From what I have seen, the WIAC teams are more physical then the east coast conferences.  In fact as a conference, I would list WIAC as the most physical.  UAA would probably come next.

School enrollment doesn't really matter.  Generally, players are recruited to come to the school.  If recruiting was not permitted, then a larger enrollment would have an advantage (like in high school).  I have rarely seen a player, who wasn't recruited make significant contributions to a team.  One exception is Joe Werner on UWL's men's team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: uofs on January 30, 2006, 04:25:59 pm
Buf just click on sites Middle Atlantic Women click on Scranton and scroll through the web and you will be more impressed with them then any of the teams you mentioned.Scranton accomplished alot more then NYU and Brandeis put together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 30, 2006, 04:49:14 pm
Downtown, or voft- I see O'Keefe didn't play against UWRF and Eggers was only listed at like 10 minutes. Does anyone know what's up with them. La Crosse has got them on Wednesday and those two killed them a few weeks ago in La Crosse.

Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:16:43 pm
billys-

In the boxscore on the UWO website, the summary said that both O'Keef and Eggers were dealing with illnesses.  I don't know how severe they are.  I am guessing the flu???

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:47:36 pm
uofs-

Scranton does have some impressive wins over a couple of good non-conference teams (Simpson, Baldwin Wallace).  In my analysis of the east coast, the teams I listed are teams to watch out for in March.  The "pretenders" I was refering to are other east coast teams (that I didn't list) with good records that I think aren't teams that can go deep into the tourney.  However, with that being said, if I were to pick Scranton vs. lets say NYU or Brandeis, I would probably go with the UAA team.  I just believe that teams from top conferences who play tough games week in and week out are better prepared come March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 31, 2006, 01:55:40 am
Early reports right now out of Oshkosh is that both O'Keef and Eggers are extremely sick, and are very questionable for the game tomorrow against La Crosse..

Stay tuned
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 02, 2006, 01:19:04 am
Yeah, they were pretty sick tonight. UWL did the right thing by running and gunning, along with rotating as many fresh legs as they could. Didn't work as UWO pulled it out. Hopefully some rest will get them healthy before the stout trip. I had to chuckle a little to hear many hacking coughs during the national anthem from the UWO side. Can be devastating when an illness runs through a team. But a few technicolor coughs during break time for O'Keef and Eggers kept them well enough to play. Huge games by Tyriver and Knapp. A good win for a team dealing with quite the bug.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2006, 11:52:08 am
A bad loss, 57-54, in Platteville for the WARHAWKS[/color].  After beating them by 29 at home and starting a five game Pioneer skid  this game was a winnable road contest.   Exactly the kind of game the HAWKS[/color] need to win to take the next step.   The game was close throughout before Platteville built a 10 point lead.  WHITEWATER[/color] rallied but a costly turnover in the closing minute and a couple clutch free throws by Platteville doomed the comeback attempt.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on February 02, 2006, 12:52:04 pm
Big win for the Titans last night, with Eggers and O'Keef nowhere near even 90%. Whitney Tyriver was player of the game in my mind. 10 points,4-7 from the field, 2-2 from the line, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 5 steals. Maybe most importantly only 1 foul. She's been foul-prone throughout the year and they needed her to play big minutes last night and she did-38, most on the team. I thought her defense was exceptional; best all-around game for her this year in my mind. Becky Knapp also played well-2 huge threes and tough defense. Eggers and O'Keefe played about as well as could be expected w/their illnesses. Off the bench, Dempsey and Fehring played well., 5 and 6 points respectively. Huge game at Stout on Saturday. Hopefully Eggers and O'Keefe can be a little better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2006, 04:02:00 pm
WARHAWKS[/color] get their first conference road win in a big way with a season high scoring outburst, 95-75 in Superior.  WHITEWATER[/color] opened the game with a 18-4 run.   Superior managed to trim the lead to six 18-12 but that was as close as they'd get the rest of the game.  Amy Morris led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 27 points.  Lindsey Buechner added 23 points despite spending most of the second half on the bench with foul problems.  Mary Donohoo scored 14 points and Megan Schmidt came off the bench to contribute 12 points.

WHITEWATER[/color] improves to 5-7 in conference play and creeps back over the .500 mark on the season at 11-10. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 04, 2006, 09:27:46 pm
Stout stomps UWO 88-73.

Similar to the game vs. EC a couple weeks ago - Stout out to a 20+ point lead and then UWO slowly cuts it down to 7 with 2min left, Stout sinks the FTs.

For Stout, good games from Duoss, Hendricks and Bird.

For UWO, an excellent game from Herrick.

Halftime score was 56-36.  Its been a long time since I have seen a womens team score 56pts in one half!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 12:57:48 am
The WARHAWK[/color] women scored 57 in the first half today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 12:39:10 pm
Let's compare scoring 56 points in the first half against Oshkosh to scoring 57 points in the first half against Superior...or let's not.

Stout did yesterday what I thought they would do in their first meeting: run Oshkosh ragged. If Oshkosh had more depth--I think four players never took off their warm-ups (I know, six for Stout never got down to playing clothes, either, but Stout had eight players with over 15 minutes, and one with 14 to Oshkosh's six with 15+ minutes)--and maybe perfect health, the second half come-back might have been more significant. Oshkosh shows incredible poise; a waning shot clock doesn't seem to phase them. They take beautiful shots and make them. Stout's pace is much more frenzied, but that's Stout's game. Working the shot clock usually works against them. They get down below 15 seconds and Stout is as likely to lose the ball as not. That's OK; speed is their game.

And, if it gets to be a fouling game--which I hate--Stout always has something like 40 fouls to give up before it gets in trouble. I guess that's the advantage to having a large family.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 01:03:42 pm
Let's compare scoring 56 points in the first half against Oshkosh to scoring 57 points in the first half against Superior...or let's not.


Stout scored 54 against Superior on 12/7. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 07:11:49 pm
Quote
Stout scored 54 against Superior on 12/7
Total? Yikes.

Actually, I thought Superior usually played first halves pretty well. It's the second half where they generally poop out. This year, maybe not so much.

I would seriously like to see Superior do a LaCrosse and come up with winning ways. Probably not to be for a while. Getting a coach would probably be a first step. Twelve step program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:20:34 pm
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS

Alright, if you read on the mens side...you already know how complicated this is going to be.

Believe it or not...it really concerns the 6-8th seeds.

So with that being said, i will keep those seeds blank to explain the tiebreakers

1 Stevens Point         9-3
8

4 River Falls              7-6
5 La Crosse              7-6

3 Stout                     9-4
6

2 Oshkosh                9-4
7


Now for Eau Claire, Whitewater, and Platteville.

First tiebreaker, record against each other... 
                                    Whitewater/Platteville/ Eau Claire
                              WW/      X         /   1-1      /   0-1
                            Platt/      1-1       /    X        /   2-0
                               EC/      1-0      /   0-2       /    X

With that being said: Whitewater has a better record then Eau Claire
                                   Eau Claire has a better record then Platteville
                                   Platteville and Whitewater are tied.

Hmm...

So now...we go to Tiebreaker 2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:27:29 pm
Tiebreaker 2 is OVERALL RECORD against teams that are above in standings...

Meaning we have to figure out Whitewater's, Eau Claire's, and Platteville's against Stevens Point, Oshkosh, Stout, La Crosse, River Falls.

                           Whitewater/ Platteville/ Eau Claire
                     SP/     0-1        /       0-1    /   1-1
                  OSH/     0-1        /       1-0    /    0-1
                    ST/      1-1       /        1-1   /     0-2
                  LAX/      0-2       /        0-1   /     1-1
                    RF/      1-0       /        1-1   /     1-0
                         ------------------------------------------
                               2-5       /        3-4   /       3-5

So with that being said, Platteville earns the top seed out of the three.

Then you have Whitewater and Eau Claire, and because of the tiebreaker rules it goes back to number 1...head to head.

With that being said...these are the CONFERENCE SEEDINGS

1 Stevens Point        9-3
8 Eau Claire              5-7

4 River Falls              7-6
5 La Crosse              7-6

3 Stout                     9-4
6 Platteville              5-7

2 Oshkosh                9-4
7 Whitewater           5-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 07, 2006, 11:20:18 am
Mr Dowtown -

Thanks for the weekly tally and conference seedings
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2006, 12:19:32 pm
Downtown,

Tiebreaker #2 is not necessary at all.  This note from the WIAC web site should help you out:

[Note: If two teams remain tied after a third or other teams are eliminated, the tiebreaker reverts to criteria No. 1. For example, if four teams are tied with 4-2, 3-3, 3-3, 2-4 head-to-head records, the 4-2 team receives highest seed and the 2-4 team the lowest seed in the grouping. Since two teams remain tied at 3-3, we revert back to criteria #1 (head-to-head) between those two teams and then (if necessary) utilize the remaining criteria in order.]

As you broke it down in head-to-head competition:
EC - 2-1
WW - 2-1
PLT - 1-3

Platteville doesn't get to remain in this tie simply because EC and WW are tied (there is no "two tie, all tie" rule like the Skins game).  Platteville is relegated to the 8th Seed on this result.

We then have two teams remaining, so we revert back to head-to-head which places WW 6th and EC 7th by virtue of their victory on Jan. 3rd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:33:28 pm
Golds all over RF tonight 56-32.  Good job by the EC defense, a lot more aggressive.  RF only scores 2... yes 2pts in the first 14 1/2min of 2nd half.  Good game by Arc.  RF was without Riemann, who was in street clothes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:36:00 pm
Conference race just got a little more interesting as Point loses at Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2006, 10:48:58 pm
WARHAWK[/color]  women sneak by Stevens Point 65-61 in a close game that had 17 ties and 20 lead changes.    WHITEWATER'S[/color] largest lead of the game was 7 points in the first half and only five in the second stanza.  Point's last lead, a single point, was with about 8 minutes remaining.   The WARHAWKS[/color] were outrebounded by the bigger Point team but aggressive play in the low post resulted in them shooting more free throws which was significant in the end.  Also significant was Point having 31 turnovers of which 18 were steals by the WARHAWK[/color] defense.  

Amy Morris played well tonight with a game high 24 points and 5 steals.  Mary Donohoo contributed 10 points and tied with a game high 7 rebounds from the point guard position.   Lindsey Beuchner rounded out the double digit scorers for WHITEWATER[/color] with 11 points and 7 rebounds.

So far the WARHAWK[/color] women have played pretty well at home and are 5-1 in conference play with the only loss being to LaCrosse.   River Falls will be another tough test for a very young team.  
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 08, 2006, 10:51:41 pm
UWEC - 56, UWRF - 32...

Blugolds put together perhaps their most impressive night defensively on the year to blow out the Falcons. Seemed as if the 'Golds were a step ahead and had hands in the paint all the first half, which helped them build a 26-21 lead.

Forced 16 turnovers that half, then really clamped down the second half, allowing only four points the in first 15 minutes or so, while going on a 20+ to 4-points run, or so.... Had 14 steals in the game, too, plus a lot of tie ups that gave the 'Golds possession...

Amanda Zenner provided another spark to start the second half; she scored 6 (and her only) of the team's 8 points in the first three minutes, to help the 'Golds push the lead to 34-21. Good to see the 'Golds get a chance to empty the bench in the final minutes...

Bunches things up again in the standings, as LaX is 8-6, followed by UWRF at 7-7, then Whitewater and the 'Golds at 6-7, and Platteville at 5-8. Looks like seedings might come down to the final regular season game UWEC vs. Whitewater, which knocked off the Pointers tonight. Wow....

But anything can, and will happen, in this last week and a half to go... Hope this 'Golds team shows up at Oshkosh on Saturday..

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Kibitzer on February 08, 2006, 11:34:13 pm
Can someone explain to me why the WIAC schools are not NCAA Div. II?

They sure have a distinct advantage over most Div. III private schools which typically cost $15,000/year more in tuition.

Have they ever considered the switch?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 09, 2006, 09:08:41 am
Any dub is a good dub!  Nice to hear that some future players in Edwards and Doppenberg got some significant playing time.  Congrats T!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on February 09, 2006, 09:49:34 am
Kibitzer
It's a money thing. WIAC schools cannot afford to give scholarships.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 09:56:31 am
Kibitzer,

Apparently the dead horse hasn't been beaten enough.

WIAC schools will not move to D-II for the simple reason that the laws of the State of Wisconsin prevent it.  The charter of the UW System states that only the Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Parkside campuses may offer athletic scholarships.  The others may not.

Theoretically, the other schools could play D-II as non-scholarship schools, but that probably wouldn't be in our best interests.

What's the distinct advantage the WIAC has again?  We're not exactly dominating the countryside.  Last week we had no Top 25 teams.  This week we had Point ranked #25 and they immediately got beat.  We have ZERO teams in this week's Central Region rankings (the Midwest Conference has 2).  We've had a few Final Four teams in the past five years, but so have a lot of conferences.  The UAA doesn't seem to complain about the WIAC's "advantages".  They do just fine.
 
Did you post the same question on the NJAC board?  The Little East board?  They are all public schools too.  Are they cleaning up with all their advantages?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 09, 2006, 11:58:32 am
Can someone explain to me why the WIAC schools are not NCAA Div. II?

They sure have a distinct advantage over most Div. III private schools which typically cost $15,000/year more in tuition.

Have they ever considered the switch?

Guess what? It costs money to go to a WIAC school as well.

The ability to pay more or borrow more or get more academic scholarship money by the private school attendees does not keep them from competing against public universities on the athletic fields, obviously.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 12:04:23 pm
He forgot the enrollment thing.

I haven't known a lot of athletes who went to private schools but every one that I do know got financial aide that reduced their tutition to an amount compareable to the WIAC schools.  One of them was my own daughter.  I even know one athlete who, when WW[/color] was $500 a semester cheaper, was awarded an additional music scholarship despite never having taken any sort of music classes in high school and being enrolled for none at the institution.  

My experience makes it seem to me that if there is a will there is a way when it comes to private schools recruiting athletes.  Though I have no doubt that there are those who have to pay the full tab.  
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 09, 2006, 12:48:10 pm
Situation in Superior worsens: UW-Superior suits up nine players to UW-Stout's 21. Stout fans about outnumber Superior's by the same ratio, perhaps worse. To its credit, Superior goes down swinging and gets remarkable games from Katie Moench (27 points) and Jenny Carlson (five 3s). Maybe the  hockey coach could recruit basketball players when and where he picks up all his Canadians. Maybe UWS would consider getting on with hiring coaches.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Kibitzer on February 09, 2006, 03:20:52 pm
I am from the West Coast where Div. III schools are private and where the small state schools tend to be Div. II or even NAIA with athletic money available.

I appreciate everyone's replies. I am new to these boards and didn't realize this topic had been kicked around already.


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 03:31:27 pm
No problem, Kibitzer.  It's just that it's the same old, same old every year. 

Personally, I think the biggest advantage we have has nothing to do with size or tutition and has more to do with facilities.  We generally have better ones though that is not always the case and that is what often impresses an athlete the most.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 03:54:52 pm
I am from the West Coast where Div. III schools are private and where the small state schools tend to be Div. II or even NAIA with athletic money available.

I appreciate everyone's replies. I am new to these boards and didn't realize this topic had been kicked around already.

I apologize if I jumped on you too hard.  I should have noticed that you didn't have many posts and may not have been a part of previous discussions.  Thanks for contributing!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:09:05 pm
Anybody here able to get the Stout/Stevens Point game broadcast on WMEQ? I'm just getting silence and there's no phone number or contact info to call the station and inquire about it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 04:32:21 pm
I wasn't able to get it either!  But Point has a stream that is working for me.  Go to the WIAC conference homepage and click on women's basketball.  Then over on the right side of the screen click on Weekly Radio Broadcasts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:58:06 pm
Yep, I switched to that a few minutes after posting my message. Also switched our front-page link to that stream.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 05:52:04 pm
Oshkosh 61, UWEC 45...

TKO early, Titans jumping to a 15-0 lead, holding the 'Golds scoreless the first 8 minutes of the half. Titans up 38-21 at half, then held the 'Golds scoreless the first five minutes of the second half, too.

'Golds worst shooting performance on the year; shot less than 25% the whole night...  Coach Englund says defensive intensity not there... Oshkosh gets open looks all night, plays more physical, doesn't let 'Golds set the pace.

Rachel Becker leads 'Golds with 13; Heidi Arciszewski and Brittanni Hakanson add 9 each. Balanced scoring from the Titans - Brittany Herrick 14; Kelly O'Keef and Shannon Eggers each add 11.

Stout's pounding over Point (78-45 with 4 minutes left) puts them in front of the conference race at 11-4, Oshkosh is at 10-4, then the Pointers at 9-5...

Pointers will probably fall from the rankings, and be replaced by Stout, who are positioning themselves for another run...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 05:57:11 pm
Nice recap Bulk. 

Stout whips a Point team who was playing without Schultz and Pepper.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 07:13:35 pm
Thanks buf...
Thought about making the trip over to Stout to see the game, but decided to stay and listen to the 'Golds on the radio, and watch the Badger hockey game...

How come Schultz was out? That's a key loss for any amount of time...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 08:34:13 pm
No idea
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 11, 2006, 09:24:14 pm
Thanks buf...
Thought about making the trip over to Stout to see the game, but decided to stay and listen to the 'Golds on the radio, and watch the Badger hockey game...

How come Schultz was out? That's a key loss for any amount of time...

Heard Schultz got a concussion earlier this week. Lots of injuries in the league lately. Reimann from RF broke her foot, the Oshkosh sicknesses, Schultz today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 11, 2006, 11:41:04 pm
Re: absence of Stout women's game on the radio--Radio station seems to have trouble flipping the switch for the women's games. They messed up an earlier game, too. Whitewater? Platteville? Can't remember. They played the men's game fine, though. With no contact information on the WMEQ web site, it makes it impossible to find out what's going on. It's especially annoying when the games are advertised as being broadcasted. Live stats are just not the same. I hope Blue Devil Bob gets his sponsor fees back for those missed games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 12, 2006, 12:49:24 am
Schultz did get a concussion earlier this week but the Pointers were also missing Becky Pepper, who has recently been their 6th or 7th player, due to sickness.  She didn't make the trip to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2006, 09:03:17 pm
With their best player on the bench with an injury and playing as well as they have on the home court the WARHAWKS[/color] felt River Falls was a beatable team.  Unfortunately no one told the Falcon.  They came out on fire sinking 8 three-pointers and shooting 59% overall from the floor in the first half.  The young WARHAWKS[/color] meanwhile were stone cold and before you knew it the Falcon were up 20 and finally settled in at 15 points when the half ended.  The second half was more competitive and the WARHAWKS[/color] had their chances, twice cutting the lead to four points, but it wasn't meant to be as the Falcon responded on each occassion.  Amy Morris paced WHITEWATER[/color] with 20 points and 8 rebounds.  Lindsey Buechner added 12. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 13, 2006, 08:19:31 am
Re: absence of Stout women's game on the radio--Radio station seems to have trouble flipping the switch for the women's games. They messed up an earlier game, too. Whitewater? Platteville? Can't remember. They played the men's game fine, though. With no contact information on the WMEQ web site, it makes it impossible to find out what's going on. It's especially annoying when the games are advertised as being broadcasted. Live stats are just not the same. I hope Blue Devil Bob gets his sponsor fees back for those missed games.

Foul,

May I suggest sending a note to the Stout AD about the subject?

It's in their contract that the games be streamed on the net.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:29:33 pm
Call me curious...    How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:32:54 pm
...and before someone reads into the previous post that I'm whining...

I couldn't really give a rip who's ranked!  Bring on the tourney and we'll see how that pans out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 13, 2006, 07:34:43 pm
Call me curious...    How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?
Point IS NOT ranked, and actually did not even receive a single vote this week.  Stout is the only WIAC team to receive any votes this week, receiving 23, which is 45 short of #25 Puget Sound.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2006, 09:40:11 pm
Rico, I think you were still reading last week's rankings, before SP lost two games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:49:24 am
Call me curious...    How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to read the "Through games of" note at the top of the poll before you flip out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 14, 2006, 09:03:35 am
Geez...  crucify me!

Ain't I still a rookie and allowed to make a mistake?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 14, 2006, 10:58:53 am
Hey Rico,

You got spanked by the Guru.

That is funny stuff!   :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 15, 2006, 08:53:41 am
Ya, but I just spanked him back!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 09:24:52 am
WARHAWKS WARHAWKS WARHAWKS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2006, 10:34:46 am
This would be a big win for the lady WARHAWKS[/color] but they'll have to shoot much better than against River Falls. 

WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS[/color]
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 11:39:38 am
...or hold Oshkosh to four points. Defense, defense, defense. I don't care how Warhawks do it, just do it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 07:43:29 pm
The Oshkosh-Whitewater game is NOT broadcast anywhere? Can that be right? Not even live stats?

I may have to revoke two WARHAWKs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:20:27 pm
UWEC wins over Superior in a UGLY game.  Both teams played poor offensively.  EC did play good pressure defense and only gave up 14 points for the first 23min of the game.  Good games by EC freshmen Arc., Brit Hakanson and Witt.  EC will have to play better if they want to win on Saturday and in the conference tournament.  Hopefully Burns will be back on Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:37:10 pm
foul-

UWO wins 80-69 or something like that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:53:30 pm
UWO goes 11-13 from the 3-point line.  WOW!!!

OKeef 7-9 on 3s
Knapp 8-10 from the field
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 15, 2006, 11:52:05 pm
buf sums up the UWEC-Superior game... 58 turnovers in the game...38 for Superior...Molly Ray had a nice game for the Yellowjackets, with 16, including 4 of 5 threes...

Hats off to Superior, though. Man, it's got to be tough under the circumstances they find themselves in at the end of the year, at 0-15 in WIAC play... They suited up nine tonight, but still battled... D3 = playing for the love of the game...

Hats off to UWL, too, for clinching a home WIAC playoff game. First time ever for them... But they may get the Blugolds, depending on how things play out this weekend...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 16, 2006, 12:14:26 am
Stat of the night =
In the UWEC Blugolds' 64-43 win over Superior, two Blugold freshmen score their first two collegiate points tonight - Pam Kaye and Stephanie Becker, sister of Rachel...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 01:18:00 am

Hats off to UWL, too, for clinching a home WIAC playoff game. First time ever for them... But they may get the Blugolds, depending on how things play out this weekend...

Agreed hats off to the Eagles. They played some of the best defense I've seen at Mitchell Hall tonight. The first half 3-for-19 by RF had more to do with defense then cold shooting. Mackenzie Hunter is becoming a big time scorer in this league. Clutch.

I think though, after quickly reviewing the season (I'm sure downtown will update us) that River Falls will be back at Mitchell next week. If EC wins they'll tie with River who they split with. Tiebreaker two is record against teams above. I think they are both 2-6 against the teams above. River beat Oshkosh and La Crosse, EC beat Point and La Crosse. Tiebreaker 3 is record against order of finish. River's win over Oshy is the kicker. If Oshkosh and Point finish tied (meaning Oshkosh loses), they both split with Stout so it goes to La Crosse who Oshkosh swept, SP lost one.

So I believe the locks are Point at #3, La Crosse at #4, River Falls at #5, Eau Claire at #6. Eau Claire at Point means it will be the first time since 2001 that the "Big Four" are not the "Final Four" of the conference tournament. Four straight tournaments. Pretty good run. If Platteville and Whitewater remain tied when it's said and done, Platteville gets 7 with the win over Oshkosh (how much parity is there when the number seven beats the #1 and #2?).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mean to steal the Downtown's thunder but I just had a bunch of wings downtown so I'm fired up. It'll be interesting to see what happens Monday. River Falls has a bye this weekend. With La Crosse set at four but a conference championship on the line for their opponent, do they rest some? Their starters seem to play a lot of minutes normally.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2006, 10:51:29 am
UWO goes 11-13 from the 3-point line.  WOW!!!

OKeef 7-9 on 3s
Knapp 8-10 from the field



OKeef was unbelieveable.  All the WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS[/color] in the world couldn't have overcome her last night.   With the exception of the two she missed I don't  think any of her three-pointers even touched the rim.  She was nothing but net all night.  I put the three points on the scoreboard as soon as the ball left her hand.  It was the best outside side shooting I've ever seen by a WIAC woman player.  We thought she might have set a new record but it turns out the old one is eight.  Obviously Knapp played pretty well too but it was OKeefe that made you roll your eyes if you were a WHITEWATER[/color] fan.

The WARHAWKS[/color], as was the case against River Falls, were simply buried by the Titan onslaught which saw them shoot 61% from the floor for the game.  It started  early on and this time we could never get closer than seven points the rest of the way.  Oshkosh looked really sharp both offensively and defensively.   Amy Morris scored 20 points in her final home game as a WARHAWK[/color].  Lindsey Buechner had a 16 point, 10 rebound double-double.

WARHAWKS[/color] need to get a tough road win at Eau Claire and build some momentum going into the conference tournament.  They could finish anywhere from the sixth seed to the eighth and need the win to conclude the regular season over .500 though 7-9 is the best they can go in conference play.     
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 11:32:35 am
Thanks BW. I relooked at the standings and forgot WW could still catch EC. And if they did beat them they could move to 6 with the sweep. So if appears only 3, 4, and 5 are set.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:03:54 am
Stoutguy & BDB -

Either of you making the trek to LaX? I believe Rico, Mrs. Rico and the Rico-ette's will be piling in the Trailblazer and heading south tomorrow to take in some great hoops action.  Hopefully, we'll meet you guys at Crazy Dave's!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:07:19 am
One more thing BDB...

Rumor has it Stoutguy has been spending a little money this week.  Let me see, since the meal is included with the game tickets I assume he'll be offering to pick up the tab one more time this week...


     ...I'd hate for you to miss it!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2006, 09:18:39 am
Stoutguy will be on team bus on Sat. and we are stopping at "Cazy Dave's" so we will look forward to seeing all the Rico's there.  Sorry about the money thing, though.  You just missed on my spending outburst.  It just happended that one time in RF.  My advice:  Stop at your bank and just grab a handfull for the "Crazy Daves" party.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 17, 2006, 09:30:29 am
Stoutguy & BDB -

Either of you making the trek to LaX? I believe Rico, Mrs. Rico and the Rico-ette's will be piling in the Trailblazer and heading south tomorrow to take in some great hoops action.  Hopefully, we'll meet you guys at Crazy Dave's!

My son's got 2 hockey games on Saturday so no road trip for BDB.  :(

As a matter of fact, both games interfere with even listening to the games.  :P

I will be working the penalty box with a radio earpiece though.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:45:21 am
Sorry you won't be able to make it, BDB.  Sounds like the generosity spurt is over for the old guy Stoutguy anyway so you won;t miss anything at Crazy Dave's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:47:43 am
Riding the team bus, huh...    let me guess, you pleaded with T until he agreed to let you be team trainer for a day!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 09:36:12 am
When all this basketball insanity is done, are you all coming along to watch some soccer?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 18, 2006, 10:05:58 am
The Oshkosh-Whitewater game is NOT broadcast anywhere? Can that be right? Not even live stats?

I may have to revoke two WARHAWKs

Foul,

I am still laughing about your consideration of revoking 2 WARHAWKS.  :D

I hope the internet stream is there for you today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 01:29:19 pm
Listened to some of the sports talk this morning on WMEQ, and the broadcast was breaking up pretty badly by the end of it.  Sounded like icicles. By then, I was ruminating on the comment about it being better to go to Stevens Point than Superior, because "when you get there (Superior), where are you?" And, I have to ask myself why Stevens Point is so much better. Because it's the gateway to Plover?

We may be the slum-end of Duluth, but at least we have the lake. I'll stack that up against miles of corn fields anytime. Wait, those are soybeans. Sorry. :-X

GO STOUTS! (as my brother would say) Obviously, I return to my true colors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2006, 09:22:46 pm
UWEC over WW 67-61 in a very close contest.

Being down most of the game, WW takes a 5 point lead with 3min??? left.  However, Heidi Arc bails EC out with a couple tough shots.  A good and active crowd in Zorn this afternoon/evening.

In other WIAC action,

UWO slips past UWP in OT

Stout wraps up the #1 seed with a tough win at Lax.

Congrats to Stout and UWO for sharing the conference title.  From the start of the year I thought these 2 would finish 1-2 in confernece.  IMO they are clearly the 2 best teams in the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 18, 2006, 10:00:50 pm
'Golds win 67-61 over the Hawks, as buf notes...
Game of intensity; UWEC had it the first half, to take a 41-32 lead. UWW had it the second half, as it seemed the 'Golds were tight, and the rims were, too... Shot 25 percent in the second half (8-31), vs. until the 55 percent in the first half (16-29)...

'Golds had four players in double figures; UWW had three...Teams were fairly well matched and even the whole game; the 'Golds, trailing 59-54 with 3:39 left, could have choked, but take a huge learning step forward, grew up big time, by shutting down UWW, going on a 13-2 run, including 7-8 FTs, to win it...

Michelle Burns returns, too; didn't get but 7 minutes, but provided a lift to the team, inspiration and leadership...

Post game comments say 'Golds head to Point on Monday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 19, 2006, 11:48:57 am
Tough is a good way to describe the win by Stout over La Crosse. That game was a war. Although La Crosse lost I think they proved they belong in the discussion about the top of the league. You're right, Stout and Oshkosh are definitely the best two teams in the league and deserve the crown, but I think La Crosse is legit for the future.

We were reminded at halftime how good a job they have done with their team this year. It was senior day and they honored their only senior, Shawna Koss, who blew out her knee in the first or second game of the year. From the few games I saw last year she was easily the best player and one of the coaches I know over there thought she would average 17-18 a game this year. So they've gone 18-7 with no seniors and losing their best player right as the schedule started (which gives you a little less time to prepare than an offseason). When other top teams have had their best players out this year, Duoss, Schultz, Eggers/O'Keefe, their teams have gotten hammered.

I was on the fence about whether or not they were for real but I think I definitely have to give them the benefit of the doubt for going tooth and nail with Oshkosh and Stout the last two meetings here in the second half. They will need to shoot the ball better however this week to advance. They could have a repeat week with River and Stout.

On a side note, looking at the first round matchups, pretty sure Oshkosh won't be happy to see Platteville in the first round and probably the same for Stout with Whitewater. They would probably both prefer to flip with one another although Whitewater has been weak on the road. In fact, it looks like every first round matchup was a split in the regular season.  Everyone talks about how the league is down with no ranked teams, look at 7 and 8 to see how good this league is. The eighth seed is 6-10 in conference! No 8th place team has ever had more than 4 wins in conference in this history of the league.

Should be a fun week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2006, 05:11:13 pm
billys-

Is Koss going to use a medical redshirt and come back next year?  Or is her career done?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on February 19, 2006, 08:05:19 pm
Koss is done...she is a fifth year senior....4 years at Lax and was at eau claire her freshman...she is ready to move on with things
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 10:04:15 am
Unless things change dramatically it could be a quick one and done for the WARHAWKS[/color] who just can't seem to put 40 minutes of good play together on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 11:32:46 am
Listened to some of the sports talk this morning on WMEQ, and the broadcast was breaking up pretty badly by the end of it.  Sounded like icicles. By then, I was ruminating on the comment about it being better to go to Stevens Point than Superior, because "when you get there (Superior), where are you?" And, I have to ask myself why Stevens Point is so much better. Because it's the gateway to Plover?

We may be the slum-end of Duluth, but at least we have the lake. I'll stack that up against miles of corn fields anytime. Wait, those are soybeans. Sorry. :-X

GO STOUTS! (as my brother would say) Obviously, I return to my true colors.

Busted!!!!!  I think I remember telling Jason when he was going off about Superior that no one from way up there would be listening anyway.  Sorry.  And for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them.  Also, it isn't soybeans, it's kidney beans.  Also, sorry about the sound quality.  They have had some technical problem for the past two weeks.  Hope to have it cleared up Sat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 12:42:19 pm
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And for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them

You call those lakes?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 20, 2006, 12:53:46 pm
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And for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them

You call those lakes?

foul,

OK, they are not the size of Lake Superior.

But they are pretty damn big lakes, anyway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 01:17:47 pm
Just to clarify this little discussion: I was comparing Superior to Stevens Point in an attempt to point out the relative "where are you-ness?" of both places; somehow Menomonie sneaked into the dialogue.  I was putting THE lake up against farm fields. Not to say farm fields aren't nice; they have their charm: waves of grain and all that. I wouldn't belittle any lake--although man-made lakes are a little lower on the scale of lakiness--or river or other water entity. Except water parks; can't abide water parks.

OK? I believe we can declare this horse dead.

By the way, Stoutguy, the game came through very well. I don't recall any problems until the radio cut T off mid-post-game-interview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 02:22:33 pm
I used to teach with a guy who was from Superior.  All he would ever say when talking about his hometown was: "They call it Superior for a reason".  Go STOUTS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 02:28:37 pm
In Stevens Point you are more apt to see waves of potatoes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 02:34:16 pm
Must be where those Wavy Lays chips come from
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 20, 2006, 04:05:12 pm
foul -

...but our lakes are greener and stink more than your lake...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 20, 2006, 04:46:30 pm
Nobody has anything to say about basketball? The once coveted WIAC tourney starts tonight and you people are discussing the SOS like UW-Superb's location versus the rest of the state (although funny - potato fields and taverns to be exact for SP but don't forget all those nice "gift shops" and "book stores" along the freeway up to the great white north). Who wins, who loses, who pulls the upsets?  Come on people!

SP sneaks past EC 64-59
LX over the Falls 81-69
STOUT 83 WW 72
OSH 84 PVILLE 57
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 04:56:09 pm
These are the moments of quiet reflection before the battle, the settling of nerves, the spitting in the face of death...

Besides which, I have no idea who will win what. After Saturday, it's all up for grabs. Every team is as capable of the sublime as of the sub-par. P-ville takes Oshkosh to overtime? Who'da thunk? I did see that SP's Cassandra Schultz is back and making up for lost time. That probably bodes poorly for Eau Claire. River Falls is always full of surprises.

Stout at home, though; I hope that's not even up for discussion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 07:55:13 pm
Point
Stout
LaCrosse
Oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 08:46:39 pm
Blowout City so far in the conference tourney

EC 31
SP 49
Half

UWO 40
UWP 21
Half

Stout 27
WW 10
5min 1st

Lax 29
RF 12
5min 1st
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on February 20, 2006, 09:53:54 pm
Too bad the Bluegolds couldn't pull off a win. They matched SP in the 2nd half, but the first half killed them with poor shooting. 

You'll see an awesome team next year for the "golds" with everyone back and healthy.  Great job Bluegolds!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 20, 2006, 10:09:34 pm
Blowout City so far in the conference tourney

Stout 27
WW 10
5min 1st
After trailing 41-20 at the half, Whitwater cuts the deficit to 2 points 74-72 with 0:20 remaining.

Stout holds on and wins, 80-76.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 10:17:07 pm
Stout almost blows a 15-point lead with 5min left.  WW cuts it down to 2pts twice in the final minute.  Stout prevails 80-76.  Duoss with 29pts.

EC plays well except for the last 10min of the 1st half where Point outscores them 29-11.  Kranz left the game with 3min left, putting no weight on her leg.  Tough break for Point.  She killed EC inside and I'm sure they could have used her versus UWO.

One glaring problem EC has had in the last 2 games is inside defense and rebounding.  WW and Point just dominated underneath.  Probably the #1 issue to fix in the off season.

However, good season for EC.  They finish 8-8 in conference.  Same record as last year when they had all those seniors.  
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2006, 01:08:02 am
Just back from Point -
As reported, UWSP 84, UWEC 74... Hard to believe this is the first time the two have meet in the tourney, but....

Chelsea Kranz has a career night as a Pointer, with 22 points, but goes down with an injury, whatever isn't the ACL, and Coach Egner's comments in postgame says she is out for Wednesday...

Blugolds' lesson for the night: You can't defend, nor get a hand in the face of, a shooter at the charity stripe. They dug a hole in the first half; Pointers made 15 of 19 free throws, vs. 'Golds 5 of 6, which accounted for a big part of the 'Golds being down at half 49-31...

Golds were sloppy with the ball, too, perhaps the worst they have been this season, that I have seen, at least. Shot poorly the first half, too. Closed the gap during garbage time.... Pointers shot 52 percent from the floor for the game...

Pointers did limit the 'Golds to quite a few one-and-dones on the defensive end, too, and were able to board efficiently the whole night, too... Key stat on the night; Heidi Arciszewski had 15, but it was a quiet 15. The Pointers were able to shut her down with a smothering defense on her; Laura Neuenfeldt gets a lot of the credit...  HA will, however, be a player who is going to be heard from the next three years, that's for sure, as will Brittanni Hakanson, who is developing a nice game in the post and had 23.

UWEC never had much chance to press; might have been a moot point, anyway, since Cassandra Schultz is going to blow by everyone if they break it.... She hit three big threes to halt any attempts by the 'Golds to gain any momentum whatsoever...
 
For the Blugold fans out there, the players didn't seem to be hanging their heads after this game, but I think they know they can, and will, play better than tonight....

Congratulations to Coach Egner, who was honored after the game for recently moving into second place all-time in the conference in wins, having passed up Oshkosh's Carol Anhalt and former Blugold Coach Lisa Stone.

Blugolds say goodbye to two seniors - Rachel Becker and Liz Van Drasek. Thanks for your contributions and efforts, ladies....

And last but not least - stat of the night: Only 165 fans show up to see UWL's Eagles win over River Falls... Did I read that right??? That's sad, considering the team is 19-7... They worked hard to get their first ever home tournament game, and that's the best you could do????

 

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:43:57 am
It should have been a no-brainer to pick all the usual suspects in last night's games, but second halves proved the WIAC exception to the rule: in the this conference, everybody has a shot. Stout nearly snaps defeat from the jaws of victory, coming within two points of throwing it away in the last minutes.

It wasn't that Stout wasn't capable, it's more like they weren't paying attention. While they had their backs turned, WW sneaked in behind them.

Heard coaches bemoaning the WW effort at half time and strategizing the second half: "play their asses off" or sit on the bench. There are a lot of WW players without asses this morning, because they staged a beautiful comeback. One wonders--with all the shots they made at the end of the game--why they waited so long to show what they could do. As underdogs, playing conservatively doesn't work. I guess that was the coaches' thoughts,  too.

Anyway, Duoss proved to be unstoppable; Stout's big problems were turnovers--they gave the ball to WW as often as WW took it away.

The good news is Hendricks' eyelid is still attached; it was suggested she'd be able to see even with that eye closed, but that's most likely an exaggeration.

Platteville must not have recovered from Saturday, yet. Throw a road trip on top of that and it was a rough game for them.

I feel a little safer about making predictions for last night now.

Wednesday? Stout at home again should take LaCrosse, but they'll have to keep their heads in the game. I think Oshkosh will take Stevens Point. Oshkosh plays solid basketball, SP is a little crazier. The coach that gets flustered will lose, and I didn't see the Oshkosh coach ruffle a hair in the loss at Stout. Shirley on the other hand was ragging the refs from the jump. I think that gets to the players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2006, 09:29:19 am
As is the case every year in the women's tournament home court proves unbeatable.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 03:08:14 pm
hello everyone, I have been a long time reader of d3 hoops discussion boards and I have become real interested in the WIAC lately. After reading the latest posts I just was wondering why Point's coach is being criticized for showing a little fire during a recent Stout game, and how her getting a technical has anything to do with the outcome of their next game. As I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point. So in this case I think the T may have fired her kids up a little bit rather than making them frustrated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 03:55:21 pm
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As I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point

And the outcome of the game was...?

Fire is one thing, but persistent cranking has to be another. At some point--as was evidenced by WW coach discussion last night--players/coaches have to take some responsibility for what's going on on the court. What I saw at the SP-Stout game was constant gnawing at the refs.

I've seen TWO games where refs determined the outcome: a high school basketball game and a college soccer game. Refs make good and bad calls; players learn to play under the circumstances, and having a coach screaming at the refs all through the game takes the focus off how the people play. It develops a situation where the player doesn't have to adjust, he or she can simply say the game is up to the refs. That's silly and pointless.

Does that mean coaches shouldn't give the refs a buzz every once in a while? Of course they should, if only to wake them up when they seem to have dozed. There needs to be some balance, though.

A 9-4 run is nothing. A 36-4 run would have made a statement.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 04:48:04 pm
a 36-4 run would be tough for any team especially with out their top guards (schultz and pepper) a 9-4 run in the last two minutes of the first half (in which they were losing 51-28 going into halftime) leading into a much better second half I see where they were only outscore by 3 instead of 24. I don't know about you but I see that as quite an improvement. No one can really say what sparked it but I wouldn't fault any loss on a coach defending her kids to an official. But I guess we are all entitled to our own analysis on the situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2006, 05:10:49 pm
d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible.  Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there.  But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 05:42:28 pm
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didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs
Ouch.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:11:56 pm
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the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible

Hyperbole, right? I'd give you 'bump' and 'push', but that's standard for basketball and hardly unique to Stout women.  'Reach', OK, but not really part of a 'plan' more a lack of foot movement. 'Scratch', 'slap', 'foul as much as possible': I don't think so. I don't even know what 'dig' is in basketball; if it's scrapping for loose balls, I'll grant you that, too, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I'll give you some real BS to chew on, though: I've heard people complain women's basketball is too boring to watch, and I'm guessing they've been watching the games where the ball crawls up the court, offense faces defense and they all stare at each other until the game ends in a 29-21 score. Nowhere is that a game. In the current discussion, women who dive for loose balls, play aggressive defense, drive and run fast and hard are 'brutal.' That's paternalistic HS (comes from a horse) if I ever heard it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ubetchamn on February 21, 2006, 08:40:12 pm
Well stated Foul....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 am
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 09:35:02 am
62? that would be down this year, right?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 09:40:01 am
d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible.  Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there.  But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.

Whenever I see a post like this I just assume that it comes from a disgruntled parent, scorned former "wanta be" player, or someone from some program that just can not compete.  Which catagory do you fit?  I'm just curious.  The only thing brutal about Mark Thomas' program is that he is tough to beat and his program gets better and more respected every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 09:43:08 am
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.

UWO better look into how to get a recruiting class of 62. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 10:16:26 am
If the refs can't keep up with the fouls Stout is committing then perhaps the other team should adapt a more physical style.  It not only fights fire with fire but it stands to reason that if they can't keep up with one team they won't be able to keep up with the other one either. 

There are alot different ways to play the game of basketball but all of them involve adapting to the officiating and adjusting your play to the game as it evolves.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 10:33:44 am
d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching  You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice.

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.

First of all, sfta, maybe you should read someone's post before you call it b*sh*t and before you hit the reply button.

Secondly you rip the style of play while complimenting the coach. What?  ???

Justice from all the injustice? What the... ???

I guess when you are top, everyone takes a shot at you. But at least get a few facts together and make some sort of point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 am
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play. You complement on a coach who has success and a formula to find a way to win. You may not agree with it, as in my case, but you can see it. You people are so damned used to seeing pushing and shoving the whole game that you now ONLY consider it as aggressive, such as diving for loose balls. Give me a break, any person diving or working hard would only be seen as positive. I'm talking about bumping cutters hard, hand-checking constantly, displacing the post, slapping, etc. After awhile it's no longer a game of strategy.  Get physical back? Sure, you can try but then both teams ring up fouls and good players sit out.  That's basketball?  I get the old fashioned school of thought you have going there, the ol' tough it out style of play, but I was simply commenting on the FACT that refs can't call every foul and it tends to force teams out of a game of strategy and into pushing back. By that time you have people sitting on the bench, frustrated and coaches getting t's. I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.

Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.  Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...

LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 11:56:55 am

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. 

You are outdoing even yourself.

The BlueDevils have won outright or shared the conference regular season title 3 of the last 5 years.

The 2 previous times they won the regular season title, they won the conference tournament. This year we'll see.

Is that winning any titles over a given period of time to you?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 01:16:16 pm
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play. You complement on a coach who has success and a formula to find a way to win. You may not agree with it, as in my case, but you can see it. You people are so damned used to seeing pushing and shoving the whole game that you now ONLY consider it as aggressive, such as diving for loose balls. Give me a break, any person diving or working hard would only be seen as positive. I'm talking about bumping cutters hard, hand-checking constantly, displacing the post, slapping, etc. After awhile it's no longer a game of strategy.  Get physical back? Sure, you can try but then both teams ring up fouls and good players sit out.  That's basketball?  I get the old fashioned school of thought you have going there, the ol' tough it out style of play, but I was simply commenting on the FACT that refs can't call every foul and it tends to force teams out of a game of strategy and into pushing back. By that time you have people sitting on the bench, frustrated and coaches getting t's. I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.

Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.  Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...

LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53

Your 2nd paragraph does confuse me a bit.  Were you at the Stout Ale House last night because I did actually make a move on someone but then realized just in time that I am, in fact, married.  And the cross-over and the 47 year old guy?  Well, I really am confused.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:21:19 pm
That's great "Bob" but isn't that relatively the same success that other teams are having like Point, 2 WIAC titles, 2 Final Fours and a National Title, and Oshkosh - many many titles...They've had some success but let's not ride them like they're a dynasty.  And this isn't about their success, it's a perspective on how games can change and coaches can become frustrated or get t'd up. First your knocking SP's coach, you get a couple of perspectives, then you defend the style of play, you get a perspective, now we're supposed to bow down because they've either TIED or won a conference title outright 3 of 5 years? Big deal man.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:25:45 pm
SG, perhaps you would have understood a little better if you haven't spent your life being a fan.  No worries. Let's move past this and discuss something more interesting. How about the WIAC's chances of getting in more than one team.  Is it going to happen with the large number of losses on our top 4? Annually a dominant conference like the AAU that gets 2-4 teams in annually, will the WIAC get any love now that the field is bigger? Who's in and who's out? Obviously our tourney champ is in, but does the loser make it too? Does the third place team get in?  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:26:46 pm
I think LaCrosse will put up a battle, but I can't seem them winning tonight. And, of course, I hope I don't. Stout 76 to LaCrosse's 63. (???)

I'm thinking the Oshkosh team and home court will be too much to overcome, so unless UWO gets hit with another bout of the flu, they should take UWSP, let's say 70-65.

Shootfromthearc: I have to give you points for passion...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:32:03 pm
Thanks FL. Just trying to have fun, and sorry if "bs" was a bad way of putting it - actually would be bored without you on this board. Just seems that Stout fans are a bit defensive.  Nonetheless, one more point for Stoutguy:

"Your 2nd paragraph does confuse me a bit.  Were you at the Stout Ale House last night because I did actually make a move on someone but then realized just in time that I am, in fact, married."

Sorry to break it to you, but the man you were making a move on was not me, I was back at home with my girlfriend. But I'm glad you realized you were married. Does she know?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 01:34:08 pm
You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor.

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. 

You said you didn't recall Stout winning any titles. I simply pointed out the reality.

What do you mean by running into a 47 man with 2 kids?
That's great "Bob" but isn't that relatively the same success that other teams are having like Point, 2 WIAC titles, 2 Final Fours and a National Title, and Oshkosh - many many titles...First your knocking SP's coach, you get a couple of perspectives, then you defend the style of play, you get a perspective, now we're supposed to bow down because they've either TIED or won a conference title outright 3 of 5 years? Big deal man.

I have never posted anything bad about any program, or coach.

And yes, winning or sharing 3 of 5 titles is a big deal, man.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:34:45 pm
One last blurb - are one of you guys actually GL? I know it's not you FL but one of you must be related, most are up there.  Perhaps we can get together and play with bad mitten. Voice, you found a bad mitten once, right?  Ah, the good ol' days!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:39:45 pm
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The coach that gets flustered will lose, and I didn't see the Oshkosh coach ruffle a hair in the loss at Stout. Shirley on the other hand was ragging the refs from the jump

Is this the line that's causing all the trouble ("First your [you're] knocking the coach"? Yikes. Which word was the killer? "ragging"? Well, I am a bad person. Let's say I said "conversing with". Confidentially, that's probably not the worst thing I've said about someone, but to preserve the nation, let's just have a do-over. If government can change it's story, I certainly can change mine.

I hold with my predictions, however.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:41:44 pm
 )

Forgot it in the last post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PackerFan on February 22, 2006, 01:43:16 pm
I've been watching for awhile and I agree Stout fans are getting a little defensive.  I know people who have played for Mark Thomas and have outright admitted that he encourages players to be dirty and see what they can get away with.  So don't act like they are just being aggressive, we all know better than that.  He is smart however, get a huge recruiting class by promising people playing time so they go to Stout but then have them sit the bench.  That way they aren't playing for the competition, right?  He also has the advantage of hosting AAU.
What is frustrating about this league is refs are so inconsitent.  They'll let Stout get away with fouls and "aggressive" play, but then call those things on the other team.  Kelsey Duoss is one of the better player I've seen in the WIAC but if the refs enforced the 3 second rule on her she'd be in trouble.   She'll sit in the lane all night but then the refs will call a 3 second violation on the other team, it's rediculous.
It will be interesting to see what happens tonight.  I'm a sucker for the underdog so I'm hoping LaCrosse comes out on top.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:14:36 pm
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play.

Nearly as funny as seeing the original poster resort to name calling and insults because
someone disagreed with his point.  Hello pot, my name is kettle.  We're black.



I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.

They're not my beloved team and and your simple opinion sounded more like simple whining to me.

Have you ever played a pick up game?

We're you ever a member of an intramural championship team?


And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.  Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...

Is your long term memory equally bad?



Sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 22, 2006, 02:27:58 pm
Wow. All it took was a little smack talk to get conversation going here and now people post by the minute. I should have bashed some teams a long time ago to get things going. Since I think I've been one of the only La Crosse followers on here who's posted somewhat regularly, and now have seen all four teams left play, I'd like to throw out my uneducated guesses for tonight.

Point at Oshkosh- I saw Oshkosh rip La Crosse here at La Crosse and know they have the best five in the league. They got some rest Monday and should be ready to fly. Point losing Kranz hurts them for certain. I don't see a way Point wins this game unless they truly shut down the three point line. We posted a lot earlier in the year about the importance of seniors. Of the key players in the final four tonight, Oshkosh has the best/most seniors. Not to mention they are undefeated at home. Oshkosh 74- Point 59

La Crosse at Stout- Again I follow the Eagles so I'm trying to keep my bias out of it. What they have done this year for a team with no seniors and picked to finish 7th is remarkable. I know they believe they can win this game. History though says Stout simply because they're the number one seed and at home. What amazing stats. #1 Seeds 22-0 in the tournament. Home teams, I think I read 44-5. So I'm going to reluctantly pick Stout 69-63. But as someone said earlier, I'm a sucker for the underdogs. Eventually the number one has to fall right? I'm thinking/hoping this is the preview of the 2007 WIAC Championship game. La Crosse returns everyone and Stout loses Hendricks (which will hurt). But with the POTY in Duoss back, they will have to be the favorite.

I digress. Unfortunately no radio from LaX so I'll have to listen to the Stoutguys. Just kidding guys, glad you're covering.

Oh, and by the way, is it possible to agree with everyone involved in this urinating contest? Cause each post I'm finding a good point (when you pull out the bias)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:37:43 pm
Home teams are 48-5 now.

I used to believe in the law of averages but Superior's combined 0-32 has given me cause to doubt.

No, you can only agree with me. :D;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 03:11:58 pm
LaCrosse was very tough in Menomonie last year at this time. I wouldn't take anything away from them. I also think it's possible/likely there will be a strong support section, since LAX is not that far away. A loud group of fans can spur a team on, too. It's likely to be a very good game.

I see it  being close until mid-second half.

Superior is going to have a come-back. Some-time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 03:24:20 pm
Hey shootfromthearc,  does RUGBY count as playing a sport before???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 04:12:10 pm
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Point losing Kranz
What was the injury?

You know, when Superior played Point, Schultz was just back. She scored 26 against UW-Soup. Without Schultz, does Superior have a chance of taking that game? Jenny Carlson has had a couple of games with five 3-pointers. If the team had a starting five OR some depth, it might be a contender.

Here's my pitch to current high school seniors:
Do you want to make a difference? Do you want to be guaranteed some playing time? Do you want to travel and see the northern parts of most of the mid-West? UW-Superior is the place to be.

Poised on the edge of the most superior of lakes, UW-Superior women's basketball has room to grow. Academics are good, the atmosphere is surprisingly warm, the fieldhouse is brand spanking new. Can't say much about the coaches, because we don't know who they are. (Coaches: do you want to make a difference...?)

Reply to this post. I'll point you to the website.

Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 22, 2006, 04:13:37 pm
Hey shootfromthearc,  does RUGBY count as playing a sport before???
Maybe I am just reading a little into this, but wasn't there a former poster on hear by the name of RUGBY??? 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 04:22:34 pm
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Here's my pitch to current high school seniors:
Do you want to make a difference? Do you want to be guaranteed some playing time? Do you want to travel and see the northern parts of most of the mid-West? UW-Superior is the place to be.

Poised on the edge of the most superior of lakes, UW-Superior women's basketball has room to grow. Academics are good, the atmosphere is surprisingly warm, the fieldhouse is brand spanking new. Can't say much about the coaches, because we don't know who they are. (Coaches: do you want to make a difference...?)

Reply to this post. I'll point you to the website.

Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?

That's probably the most recruiting UW-Superior has had all year.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 04:52:06 pm
What do you mean the atmosphere is surprisingly warm FL?  I knew a guy who went to Superior once.  He told me that one time it got so cold that he never left his dorm room for three days.  I think he flunked out though. ;)   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2006, 04:53:54 pm
Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?

I don't know if its expressly against the rules, but I know that Pat doesn't usually like posters pumping the audience for recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 05:28:21 pm
Mmmmmmm, Rugby, now there's a sport. Now only if we could get Wagner back on here.

BWH - you're a moron. Nuff said.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 05:48:02 pm
and I always thought of Rugby as the sport for those who cold not make the varsity college teams...........................
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 06:05:31 pm


BWH - you're a moron. Nuff said.

Thanks, considering the source that makes me a mental giant.   :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:51:32 pm
cubs-

Yeah, there was a poster on here named Rugby, a Point fan.  Don't know what happened to him/her.

Point 26
UWO 24
Half

UWO had a 19-10 lead.  Looking at the boxscore it looks like Knapp has performed by far the best for UWO.  She has 15pts, including 3-3 on 3s and 7rebs.  The problem is she has 3 fouls.  Next scoring leader is Eggers with 5pts but she needs 7 shots to get it.  Herrick and Garman each with 2pts and that is it for UWO.  Nuenfeld leads Point with 9pts but Schulz with 0pts.

Stout up over UWL at the half by 5 or so.  The lead was up to 12 but UWL with a little run before the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:54:50 pm
Correction:

Stout 35
UWL 24
Half

Duoss with 11pts for Stout

Johnson with 8 for UWL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:13:41 pm
Point 48
UWO 43
12min

Knapp has 17pts but 4 fouls.  However, freshman Roberts has 3 3s in the 2nd half for UWO.  Schultz has 7pts in the 2nd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:51:58 pm
Point 68
UWO 58
Final

UWO:
Knapp 19pts, 8rebs, fouled out
Eggers 14pts, 4-17 FGs
Herrick 10pts 6rebs

Point:
Neuenfeld 19pts
Houghton 14pts
Lechault 10pts 10rebs

Interesting stat:

UWO was 8-20 on 3s (40%), 12-42 on 2s (28%).
Tough to win when you only shoot 28% on your 2-point shots.


Stout 69
UWL 57
1:00 min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on February 22, 2006, 10:09:38 pm
The Titan game was tough to watch. The way this one started you would have thought it was going to be a 20+ point win for UWO. Student fan support was sad at best for a game of this importance and a school this size. Congrats to the seniors for their impressive careers and a great season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 am
Two good things: I don't have any real credentials to recruit and I don't make predictions for a living.

Won't venture a guess about Saturday, but I know it will be entertaining. To preserve the future peace, I also won't comment on the coaching.

Fierce battle in Menomonie tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 11:32:11 am
I'm glad we will get to see a SP vs. Stout game with both Schultz and Duoss playing.  I feel like the first two games were poor indicators because of the injuries at the time.  SP doesn't have Kranz, but I don't think she makes as big of an impact as Schultz.

My pick - Stout 72, SP 68, in a great game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 23, 2006, 01:30:08 pm
So does the WIAC get to in?  Does the loser of this game make the tournament?  Loser will have 8 losses.  Lots of losses in the central region.  But with the expansion does the coveted, yet a bit weaker this year WIAC get two in?  I'm sure there will be some 10, 11, 12 loss teams in. WIAC has proven it can usually get to the final four.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 01:33:47 pm
shoot,

There won't be any 10, 11 and 12 loss Pool C teams in.  There may be some in Pool A or possibly Pool B, but that has no relevance to the Pool C argument.

I think without any teams in the Regional Rankings, the WIAC is destined to have just Saturday's winner in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2006, 05:15:46 pm
You never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 06:50:00 pm
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You never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....
I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 23, 2006, 07:22:14 pm
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You never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....
I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?

I think he was kidding.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 07:27:59 pm
Oh, man. I thought for a while there was some kind of rule that said some arbiter could just toss a team based on--it's posters to the D3 Hoops boards, or something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 10:14:46 pm
LaCrosse men come within .4-second of giving Stout a double-header Saturday night. Women stay home and Stout men hit the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2006, 11:30:06 am
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You never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....
I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?

I think he was kidding.

Never put anything past the NCAA....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 02:01:13 pm
Does anyone know if the Stout womens game will be audio webcast on Saturday?  I assume the regular crew will travel down to Whitewater with the men.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 02:21:08 pm
I've heard the rumor twice now--once on the radio, if that can be considered a rumor--that WIAC championship games would be carried on FSN. Is that true? If so, will game(s) be live or tape delayed? If tape-delayed, when will they be broadcast? Right now, it looks as though the men's game will miss out to a high school game (on the FSN schedule).

I'm also curious as to how the WMEQ station plans to address the men's/women's games situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2006, 02:35:59 pm
I've heard the rumor twice now--once on the radio, if that can be considered a rumor--that WIAC championship games would be carried on FSN. Is that true? If so, will game(s) be live or tape delayed? If tape-delayed, when will they be broadcast? Right now, it looks as though the men's game will miss out to a high school game (on the FSN schedule).

I'm also curious as to how the WMEQ station plans to address the men's/women's games situation.

Jack Bennett told me last Sat. that he would be doing the FSN broadcast of the men's championship game.  He said it would be tape delayed.  I don't know the status of the women's game.  WMEQ is sending Jake and me to WW and my other radio partner, Jason Kenyon, will be doing the women's game.  If you go to the women's game, introduce yourself to Jason as the Superior person who listens to the radio show on Sat.'s and maybe offer him a key to the city or something!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:02:32 pm
Jason would be the one casting apersions on our fine city? Or was it the campus? Now I can't even remember. I'll have to go back and look at the posts.

We don't need no stickin' keys up here; we get by with shovels. And hairspray.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:36:12 pm
stinkin' not stickin'. Fridays are not always the best days for paying attention.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2006, 04:09:58 pm
The game preview posted on the UWSP website says the women's championship will be broadcast on FSN on a tape delay basis sometime in March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 24, 2006, 04:40:34 pm
Jason would be the one casting apersions on our fine city? Or was it the campus? Now I can't even remember. I'll have to go back and look at the posts.

We don't need no stickin' keys up here; we get by with shovels. And hairspray.

Jason would be the host of WWSS casting aspersions on your fine city.

Give him the hairspray and shovel to the city. He'll like that.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 07:58:16 pm
Cassandra Schultz or Kelsey Duoss. Which one will still be playing next week?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 10:14:55 pm
Cassandra Schultz or Kelsey Duoss. Which one will still be playing next week?

Who knows, my guess is Duoss.  Stout has a regional record of 16-5.  If they lose tomorrow they might have a chance at a Pool C, although I don't think it would be a good chance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2006, 11:33:59 pm
Two teams very evenly matched on paper, if you look at the stats...

I'm taking Stout, based on the experience they gained last year, the home court advantage/large crowd they will have on hand, and Duoss.

Who will step up for the Pointers if Schultz is shut down? That will be a big key for the Pointers, who seemed to have different people do that throughout the season...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2006, 12:28:13 am
The home team has never lost the WIAC women's tournament championship game.  Thus far the home team is 5-1 in this year's touranment.  To my way of thinking that makes Stout the prohibitive favorite.

Then there is that law of averages thing I used to believe in before I saw Superior go 0-32 this year.

Good luck to both teams.  I hope it's a great game but I'm afraid it's the men's game I'll be focused on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2006, 05:53:49 pm
Stout 84
Point 70
Final

Duoss scores 19 despite being in foul trouble the entire game.  Schultz ends career with 20pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2006, 12:34:52 pm
Congrats lady Blue Devil and good luck in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2006, 11:16:15 pm
As expected, Stout is the lone WIAC representative.  However, the WIAC men got 3 in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 08:01:34 am
Can someone drop me an e-mail (not a message board post) when those games are aired on FSN? I would like to watch. Have the DirecTV sports pack and need to get my $$$ worth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 09:06:58 am
From what I can make out of the pairings, it looks like Stout will be playing Concordia-Moorhead in Simpson, Iowa.  The winner will then face either Simpson or St. Bens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:21:03 pm


Stout fans, or anyone in the know:

What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge.  Anything would be appreciated....thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 12:31:04 pm
Stout women started slow and seem to be peaking at just the right time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 12:53:52 pm
They play physically.  Most things run through Duoss.  They like to play uptempo and run, run, run. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 01:36:29 pm
They play physically. Most things run through Duoss. They like to play uptempo and run, run, run.

Hey BW,

At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.

Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 02:07:14 pm


Stout fans, or anyone in the know:

What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge.  Anything would be appreciated....thanks.

Concordia's main concern will have to be Duoss.  She is considered one of the best players in D3.  She seems to score in bunches but sometimes it seems that Stout forgets about her once in a while (not getting her the ball for a few minutes).

Stout has played better the last half of the season.  I think the reason for this is because other players have stepped up to complement Duoss.  Hendricks has been hot from 3-point range and Bird has been shooting well as of late.  Another offensive weapon can be L. Geissler, although she seems to be struggling a bit from the field lately.

As mentioned before, Stout likes the uptempo game.  However, there press and tempo has been more controlled the last couple years than it was prior.  Stout will put Hendricks on Concordia's best offensive player, unless it is a post.

Well this is what I know about Stout.  BDB, stoutguy and foul know them better than me though.  So what should we know about Concordia?  I tried watching them on their video webcast this weekend but I was getting a really bad feed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 02:20:20 pm

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Hey BW,

At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.

Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House.  ;)


Afterward I told Stoutguy to tell you that you picked the right game.   Nobody from Stout really seemed to enjoy the game down here. ;) 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 02:36:39 pm


Stout fans, or anyone in the know:

What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge.  Anything would be appreciated....thanks.

Concordia's main concern will have to be Duoss.  She is considered one of the best players in D3.  She seems to score in bunches but sometimes it seems that Stout forgets about her once in a while (not getting her the ball for a few minutes).

Stout has played better the last half of the season.  I think the reason for this is because other players have stepped up to complement Duoss.  Hendricks has been hot from 3-point range and Bird has been shooting well as of late.  Another offensive weapon can be L. Geissler, although she seems to be struggling a bit from the field lately.

As mentioned before, Stout likes the uptempo game.  However, there press and tempo has been more controlled the last couple years than it was prior.  Stout will put Hendricks on Concordia's best offensive player, unless it is a post.

Well this is what I know about Stout.  BDB, stoutguy and foul know them better than me though.  So what should we know about Concordia?  I tried watching them on their video webcast this weekend but I was getting a really bad feed.

Concordia is a team that most people would say has probably overachieved this year.  They lost the two time MIAC MVP to graduation and have only 1 senior on this year's team. However they have been successful because they really play as a team and a variety of people can step up on any given night.

Hageman is their main post weapon (17 pts a game)  although she is not physically imposing she is very athletic and has really, really, really good feet inside. T. Elhert is the other post and she is the team's physical force. While undersized, she is a good leaper and rebounds very well.  On the perimiter the Cobbers have Anne Keeley, who scores over 12 a game and,  J. Heintz, and S. Krabbenhoft (Joe Krabbenhoft of Badger fame's sister) who can all hit the 3.  two freshman guards also play quite a bit, with the Freduenberg girl running the PG spot.

The strength of thsi squad is probably on the defensive end of the floor, they only give up somewhere around 58 points per game and they also led the MIAC in rebounding margin.  Looking at stats the game appears to be featuring teams with slightly different styles, as Concordia is not a run first team, they can and will at certain times, but it is not their main priority.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 03:23:24 pm

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Hey BW,

At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.

Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House.  ;)


Afterward I told Stoutguy to tell you that you picked the right game.   Nobody from Stout really seemed to enjoy the game down here. ;) 

BW,

From the sound of it, I don't think the Detroit Pistons would have beat the Warhawks on Saturday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 03:53:20 pm
The Piston could have but my beloved CELTICS[/color] probably couldn't.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 04:32:30 pm
Early information coming out of the Stout SID's office has both BlueDevil teams playing their first round games at the same time.  >:(

The women are scheduled to tip off at 5:30pm and the men at 6:00pm, both on Friday.  :P

I guess the men's starting time is tentative, so hopefully that will change.

The two sites are only about an hour and a half apart, so if they weren't playing at the same time BlueDevil fans could see both teams play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 08:29:07 pm
Are there any group plans for the IA trip? What hotel are fans at? When are people going down? Any group tickets? Group hotel rates? Any idea where Indianola, Iowa is? Any town that can start and end city AND state names with the same vowels and lead one to believe it's in a different state--c'mon, who wouldn't think it was next to Indianapolis, Indiana?--gets a tip of the hat from me [not 'I', ay].

Just kidding there; I found it on the map. Go to Minnesota and turn left.

My brother said there might be green grass down there already. Bring your golf clubs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 09:48:43 am
Foul,

There are fan buses going to both sites. Both leave at 9am on Friday.

Call 715-232-2224 to make a reservation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 28, 2006, 10:08:00 am
BDB--We're driving, but I'm looking for lodging, ticket, etc info. I'll check with team people.

This is probably a discussion that gets hacked to death every year, but how is it that Stout women end up with all the Western bid-ees (not biddies) and not the Central? Is that just a balance kind of thing? Not that I mind going to Iowa rather than Illinois, but it does seem to be a semi-random splitting of schools in brackets. I see it and don't see it, if that makes any sense.

Too bad we can't meet Concordia-Moorhead in a centralized neutral place like St Cloud to cut the trip a bit...good thing I'm not in charge of setting up these games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 10:49:40 am
Since we are so close to the West, and since the NCAA is concerned about travel costs, we do tend to always start out playing those teams.

However, it does seem odd that these teams aren't meeting in St. Joseph, which would be a lot less travel collectively.

Having said that, I'm glad that if we meet St. Benedicts it won't be on the Blazers home floor, having gotten whooped there in the tournament 5 years ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 07:25:36 pm
BDB--We're driving, but I'm looking for lodging, ticket, etc info. I'll check with team people.

foul

Long time reader, now a poster...  The team is staying at the Des Moines Airport Heartland Inn.

As to playing at St. Ben's home court, having been there for the DIII tourney game before, that site is not an NCAA Tournament quality facility.  If I remember correctly, it seats less than 1,000 - which for a 4 team DIII tournament weekend is just not sufficient.

BDB, BW, and Stoutguy, you know who I am... ;)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2006, 10:09:34 pm
Hey Champ, good to see you drop by.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 10:49:41 pm
Things are a little slow on the other board we post on...

Thought it might be time to join the D3 board.

Just saw the current D3 poll - Simpson is #18 and Stout is #21.  St. Ben's got 4 votes - Concordia didn't get any.

Not that the rankings mean much now that the brackets are set.  Just have to beat whatever team you are scheduled to play...

Good luck to your Warhawks in the men's tourney - at least until they play Stout again (hoping that both teams make it that far)... ;)

Men's rankings in the current poll...  UWW is #15 and Stout is #19.  LaCrosse got 9 votes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:54:41 am
From Pat C's. article on this weekend's games at Simpson:

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Cinderella story: It almost seems unfair to label a WIAC team a Cinderella. UW-Stout had some tough games against good competition during a midseason run and ends up a low seed as a result. Don’t let the seed fool you — the Blue Devils can be a player in this bracket. They’re the best candidate in this grouping, but sliding Hardin-Simmons could use the motivation of knocking its crosstown rival out of the tournament as a springboard to winning the regional.

Most likely to disappoint: Simpson. It’s hard to gauge how battle-ready this team is. They’re 1-2 against NCAA Tournament teams, all on neutral floors, and even the win is somewhat tempered — against Bates when Bates was 4-5. (The Bobcats are back at full strength and are 19-8 now.)


Scheduling 3 games against DI and DII teams also doesn't help Stout's seeding, but I think that playing challenging non conference games improves the team.

Hopefully Pat is correct about this weekend's results in Indianloa!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2006, 09:21:51 am
Things are a little slow on the other board we post on...

Thought it might be time to join the D3 board.

Just saw the current D3 poll - Simpson is #18 and Stout is #21. St. Ben's got 4 votes - Concordia didn't get any.

Not that the rankings mean much now that the brackets are set. Just have to beat whatever team you are scheduled to play...

Good luck to your Warhawks in the men's tourney - at least until they play Stout again (hoping that both teams make it that far)... ;)

Men's rankings in the current poll... UWW is #15 and Stout is #19. LaCrosse got 9 votes.



Thanks, we'll need as much luck as possible.  Same to your BlueDevil women.

The national rankings are nice but the ones you want to play closest attention to are the regional rankings.  They're far more significant when it comes to the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:29:15 am
[quote author=badgerwarhawkThe national rankings are nice but the ones you want to play closest attention to are the regional rankings.  They're far more significant when it comes to the tournament.
Quote

I understand what you're saying, but Stout is the only Central Region team in this bracket. 

Kind of hard to compare, isn't it?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 09:47:01 am
A quick note: I've spent time trying to figure the circular reasoning that starts with 'Stout beat Messiah, and Messiah beat...' and following the spiral until I was so dizzy I could throw up. What it comes down to, for me, is strengths and weaknesses, good and bad habits, ability to match up. That might be stating the obvious--and I'm all about obvious--but I see Stout as very strong, very fast, very aggressive and very deep. Their strength--and coincidentally, their weakness--is that they come out fast. If they're on, fast works very well; if they aren't on, something that looks like panic sets in--or used to. The other part of being fast and on is that Stout has gone into a lull with a big lead. That didn't happen against Stevens Point, so maybe Stout understands when a good coast is OK and when it's not.

I think Stout likes a challenge at this point. When I said they started slow and are peaking at the right time, I think that has as much to do with facing the challenge as with putting more points up than the opposition. Many of their losses this season were mental losses well before the final buzzer sounded. When they saw an 18 point lead melt down to two against LaCrosse(wasn't it?) we watched Stout claw their way back to a 14 (lord, my memory is bad; was it 14?) point win, you know they've formulated a strategy of confidence and ability.

Keeping Duoss in fewer minutes and letting the team know they can compete without her has been a great plan. Jenny McDermid has been terrific that last couple of games and has stepped in beautifully for Kelsey. That shores up all the second half of the first string. I personally believe Stout's first string is ten deep.

Stout hasn't collapsed on its game plan lately, and that's important.

Now, how does that stack up against the Concordia-Moorheads and Simpson's and St. Bens? Who knows until they get on the court together. It's like a big crap shoot, and I sincerely hope Stout takes into the game what they've learned since the beginning of the season.

It's too bad those Christmas tournaments aren't a mix of regional teams just to see how they stack up head-to-head or vicarious head-to-head so I can look at the stats and say, well, CM beat Northwestern by 20 and we beat them by 21, but Northwestern beat River Falls and River Falls played CM to a near tie...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:55:58 am
foul

Are you going to make it down to Indianola?

We've booked a room at the Heartland for Saturday night.  We'd like to be at the game Friday night, but Mrs. Champ's flight from Winnipeg doesn't get into Rochester until 4:45 PM.  Kinda hard to make a 3 hour drive in 45 minutes... :(

Hopefully things go well on Friday night against the Cobbers so we can make the trip and enjoy some good Stout hoops action on Saturday night.

If that works out, we'll be sitting with Coach T's parents, most likely behind the Stout bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 10:00:12 am
Dropping the dog off at 7:30 AM and heading south (go to Duluth and turn left, continue for 416 miles). Have heard from a co-worker who used to teach at Simpson that Indianola is a beautiful little town (for someone from a town of 5 or 6, 'little' doesn't describe size as much as sentiment) with a square. I love those kinds of towns, and I'm looking forward to TWO days of great basketball.

Maybe we can talk all four of the teams of getting together in the town square for a group picture. I'll bring my camera.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 10:14:45 am
Forgot to mention...

If you are booking a room, call the hotel direct.  I checked pricing online, and expedia showed a rate of $84.00 for a standard room.

When I called the hotel directly and mentioned I was with the Stout group, she offered a "Good Guy" discount.  I chose the deluxe room for $79.00.

See that you must live up on the North Shore.  Mrs. Champ and I are HS sweethearts from Hibbing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 11:28:40 am
We're more from the southeast shore--Wisconsin side. Hibbing is on our list of places to see, along with Fargo. Seriously. Some people want to see Las Vegas or Miami. Not us. Well, not me. some of 'us' might want to see Las Vegas and Miami. That part of 'us' doesn't post, so it doesn't get any voice/choice.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 01:10:50 pm
Ooooppppssss.....

Guessed wrong on your location.  North Shore, South Shore, it's still a beautiful lake!!!

When you go up to Hibbing, try and get a tour of the HS.  Built in 1920 at a cost of $4 mil, it was handicapped accessible when built (4 stories tall, with an elevator), had 2 indoor gymnasiums, an indoor track, a swimming pool and an auditiorium which seats around 2000 people with theater style seating and Italian crystal chandelliers.

Growing up, I thought everyone had a HS like that... ;D

Hibbing - the land of mines and pines...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 01, 2006, 02:45:05 pm
Champ -

Putting your mugshot on the page kind of takes away the mistique...   BDB, BW and Stoutguy aren't the only ones who know you...


You and Mrs. Champ have a safe trip and enjoy some Bluedevil BB!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:00:52 pm
Rico

By any chance, have we played golf together???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 01:31:52 pm
WIAC All-Conference Team is out:  http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/0506all.htm

Notable:
-Kelsey Duoss, Stout is Player of the Year
-Lois Heeren, La Crosse and Mark Thomas, Stout are Co-Coaches of the Year
-Oshkosh places 3 on first team
-Stout places 2 on first team
-EC shut out of First Team honors for first time in who knows how long?
-Mackenzie Hunter, La Crosse makes first team as a freshman. I scanned the archives on the WIAC web site and I only find 2 freshmen selected First Team All-Conference in the history of the league (Wendy Wangerin, OSH, 1993 & Sue Christiansen, EC, 1987).  I could have missed some, but I think that's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2006, 02:20:06 pm
I agree Bill, that is impressive.  Plus the EC guard, Arciszewski, came within one spot. 

It was neat to see Morris get the recognition but disappointing Beuchner didn't make it.

Oh ya, thanks again for the link.  After I read the men's list I was going to go back to the site to check the women but I thought why bother Bill will have the link posted here already. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 02, 2006, 02:26:57 pm
Bill -

Thanks for the links on both the men's and women's teams.  Can only say from Bluedevil country that all player's named are very deserving!

And special congratulations to Coach T!!

Hopefully all WIAC representatives will do well in the tourney... especially those Runnin' Devils!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 02:42:14 pm
I should have read the release better:

UW-River Falls' Holly Spoo in 1995 made first team as a freshmen.  I think I missed it because she played the rest of her career at Oshkosh, so her honors were split up between two schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2006, 09:29:35 pm
Congratulations to all players represented here, except those from Stout, for the fine seasons they had this year...

Stout is excluded from that statement because their season is still going. Good luck to the Blue Devils in the tournament and represent the WIAC well!

As a side note - Hunter, an Eau Claire Regis grad, was recruited by UWEC, but wanted to get away from home. I wonder what impact she would have had had she ended up there?

How much playing time she would have gotten on what was a young team, and what would the player rotation have been? Wonder what kinds of numbers would she have put up, too... Interesting to ponder that thought...

But she sure did help out the Eagles, who had a great season, and might be the favorite next season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 08:52:28 am
Hey Champ!

I know we've been at many of the same golf events, but I don't recall ever golfing with you.

The mystery continues...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 09:46:28 am
Hey Champ!

I know we've been at many of the same golf events, but I don't recall ever golfing with you.

The mystery continues...

Yes it does...  I made a guess based on some of the letters in your handle.

Would you be a banker?

(process of elimination begins...)

Anyway, here's to the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils and a victory in tonight's game!!!

Good luck to all the WIAC teams tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2006, 11:34:05 am
Would you guys mind playing 20 Questions with your PMs?  It doesn't make for the best reading.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 01:30:06 pm
Would you guys mind playing 20 Questions with your PMs?  It doesn't make for the best reading.

Bill

Sorry for the slight side tracking...  Just not a whole lot of BB to talk about when there aren't any mid week games.

Should I PM you about the fact that my wife used to work with Holly Spoo's dad and that our daughters played together at the company picnic? ;) J/K...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 02:07:12 pm
Since both Stout teams have overlapping games, will there be a radio crew at the womens game, which would be tape delayed until after the mens game is done?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 03, 2006, 02:21:00 pm
Since both Stout teams have overlapping games, will there be a radio crew at the womens game, which would be tape delayed until after the mens game is done?

buf,

The men are on 880AM like normal. Pregame at 5:40.

The women are on 98.1 FM. Pregame should start around 5:10, but since this is a borrowed station it might just come on at 5:30 when the game starts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 07:04:43 pm
Stout women up 30 - 18 at the half!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 07:56:50 pm
2:02 to play and Stout up by 20!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 08:01:43 pm
Final Score - UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils 61 - Concordia Cobbers 37!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 10:27:44 pm
Simpson defeated St. Ben's 73 - 70.

So it's Simpson on their home court vs. UW Stout for the right to advance to the next round tomorrow night.

Can't wait to get on the road in the morning!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 11:04:31 pm
Is there a link for tomorrow night's Stout - Simpson game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 11:33:26 pm
The Menomonie radio crew will be at the Stout Men's game again tomorrow.

Both teams play at 7:00 PM.

I couldn't find a radio link on Simpson's website, so I think you're out of luck for the Stout Women's game tomorrow - unless they can find another station to air the game.

Tonight we listened to the Concordia Cobber broadcast.  The gentleman did a real fine job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2006, 11:56:24 am
Blowout win is a nice way to start things out.  Good luck tonight, BlueDevil. 

Have a safe trip Champ.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 01:26:43 pm
LA RAMS-

Usually you would be able to get a webcast of the women's game.  But since both Stout teams are playing at the same time tonight, I believe that the mens game will be the only game being webcasted.  I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Simpson has a stream.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2006, 04:23:55 pm
Blowout win is a nice way to start things out.  Good luck tonight, BlueDevil. 

Have a safe trip Champ.

Thanks BW!!!

Easy 3 hour, uneventful drive...

Got down here in time to see the team take the bus to go for a shoot-a-round.

T's dad took the uniforms to the laundramat, and then we all went out to lunch.

Team just stopped by our room to pick up their freshly laundered uni's.

Just kickin' back, waiting for the game now.

I want three WIAC wins tonight!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 05:51:58 pm
Is there a link for tomorrow night's Stout - Simpson game?

It looks like there is a link through Simpson on the women's scoreboard page.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:15:32 pm
Stout up 21-16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:19:02 pm
26-16 Stout up 10min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:28:42 pm
32-20 Stout 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:45:06 pm
Stout up 41-27 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:02:15 pm
Stout lead down to 7, 43-36.

Both Duoss and Boese sitting on the bench with 3 fouls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:03:05 pm
McDermid also has 3 fouls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:09:48 pm
looks like Stout has their hands full now...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:11:37 pm
Yes they do.

Stout only up 3 now.

Stout men were tied at the half and are now down 12 with 14min left.  WW men already getting hammered.  Stout women have to come through for WIAC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:14:02 pm
Duoss in again....would make for an interesting game if she fouled out....wishful thinking...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:14:49 pm
Stout up 4 after a Hendricks 3.  Both teams shooting really well, especially Simpson from 3-point range.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:17:38 pm
Stout up 59-58 after Simpson 3.  8min left.  Simpson has scored 30 already compared to just 27pts in the 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:24:08 pm
I think Simpson was up 3, but now Stout up 68-62 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:28:10 pm
Simpson 4-0 run, Stout by 2 4min?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:35:50 pm
Hendricks with a 3, 75-68 30sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:41:16 pm
Stout wins by about 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:48:54 pm

Buf,

Thanks for the info on the Simpson link.  Got to listen to most of the second half anyway which saw Stout hold off host Simpson by 10.  Guess Stout showed who's boss in the NCAA's version of the IIAC/MIAC/WIAC Challenge, huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 10:09:43 pm

Buf,

Guess Stout showed who's boss in the NCAA's version of the IIAC/MIAC/WIAC Challenge, huh?

Ya, they are peaking at the right time.  For awhile there I thought it was going to end up similar to the game Stout lost against Millikin last year in the Sweet 16.  Stout lead that game the whole way and was up double digits at the half, but lost it at the end.  To Stout's credit, they didn't panic when Simpson took that 3 point lead.  By the way Simpson was 8-11 on 3s.  Pretty impressive
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 05, 2006, 09:18:26 am
Well, it was a great time to be a UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devil fan last night!!!

Yup, things did get a little dicey in the second half, but two team leaders, Molly Hendricks and Kelsey Duoss, decided that they weren't done playing BB this year.

Duoss tied the game up at 62 all with her first of 2 from the charity stripe at 6:32.  Her second went in also to give Stout a lead they wouldn't relinquish.

At 5:40, Duoss got another rebound, and 10 seconds later on an assist by Savanah Oeltjen Kelsey popped a sweet little jumper to put the lead at three.

In the final 5 minutes of the game:

Molly Hendricks scored two 3 pointers and a pair of FT's to outscore the entire Simpson team.  In the last 30 seconds she had two steals.

Duoss also added 4 points and a pair of blocks during this stretch.

Both Duoss and Hendricks finished the night with 19 points.  Molly also added 10 rebounds, 9 assists, and 5 steals while Kelsey had 5 boards and 6 blocks.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2006, 03:01:50 pm
Stout plays in Tacoma, Washington this upcoming weekend.

Champ-

Are you going???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 05, 2006, 07:05:38 pm
http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm
 (http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm)

Randolph-Macon scoring leader seems to be an all-around player who may pass or shoot successfully; rebounds well--how can a team get that many rebounds in a season?--and gets plenty of steals. Does she need anyone else on the court?

Of course, I haven't looked at their level of competition, but with 27 wins, they likely have dealt with a little of everything.

How is it that Rochester comes into the tournament 18-1? Do they leave non-conference games out of the record?

Season records are an interesting mix. I guess it's time to try to figure out that Massey rating thing.

Molly Hendricks was a phenomenon Saturday night against Simpson. Looks like she might be on a mission. Hope it ends well in Springfield, Mass.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 08:04:51 am
Stout plays in Tacoma, Washington this upcoming weekend.

Champ-

Are you going???

Would love to go.  But Mrs. Champ flies to work, and won't return from this week's assignment until 6:00 PM on Friday... :(

We'll have to listen to listen via the web.

I haven't seen where the game times were listed.  If they ran things like Simpson did, Stout would play Randolph Macon in the early game which would mean about 7:30 PM our time.

Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 06, 2006, 08:32:55 am
Early game is all that has been determined.   I am looking forward to seeing our women again after doing the men's "near miss" in Moline last week.  We fly out sometime Thursday.  It seems like our senior leader Molly Hendricks is on a mission to not have this season end and whenever I hear that a team is dominated by one player who is not a post player like our opponent this week I smile and think, "She has not seen Molly yet".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 09:42:16 am
It seems like our senior leader Molly Hendricks is on a mission to not have this season end and whenever I hear that a team is dominated by one player who is not a post player like our opponent this week I smile and think, "She has not seen Molly yet".

SG

You would have really enjoyed watching Molly on Saturday night.  There was one scramble for a loose ball near the end of the game (I think Molly was the reason it was loose too...) that was ultimately determined to be a jump ball.  You should have seen the grin on her face as she picked herself up off the floor... ;D

I had Molly's mom sitting right in front of me, and we both turned to each other and high 5'ed!  We both knew that Molly was having fun!!!

I'll be looking forward to listening to your internet feed on Friday, and hopefully Saturday nights!!!

Have a safe and enjoyable trip.  Wish Mrs. Champ and I could be out there with you and the team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 02:01:08 pm
Fox Sports North will be replaying the WIAC Tournament Championships games this weekend:

Womens Championship Sat. March 11th - 1:00pm

Men's Championship Sun. March 12th - 5:00pm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 06, 2006, 04:35:45 pm
Hope they replay the WIAC championship games as often as they replayed last years DIII championship games. I think I'm the only one who knows how to run the DVD/VCR recorder, and I'm hoping to be gone.

Looking out on the soggy, sort of sickly snow and wondering if this is what Tacoma looks like this time of year. Are the whales running? How is mass transit between Seattle and Tacoma sites? Shorts or long johns? Nor'easter or sun screen?

Are there advance ticket sales? or, like Simpson, school is counting on capacity not to be reached--although it very nearly was Friday night.

So many questions; so little time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 05:15:20 pm
Hope they replay the WIAC championship games as often as they replayed last years DIII championship games. I think I'm the only one who knows how to run the DVD/VCR recorder, and I'm hoping to be gone.


Foul,

I would bet the replay is a one time thing, so you better learn how to set the timer on your VCR.

Or at least teach the cat how to do it.  :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2006, 05:24:02 am
Randolph-Macon scoring leader seems to be an all-around player who may pass or shoot successfully; rebounds well--how can a team get that many rebounds in a season?--and gets plenty of steals. Does she need anyone else on the court?

She does need other people. Someone has to inbound the ball to her. But Megan Silva is one of the top players in Division III. The only time I've seen her have an off game was in last year's title game after she hurt her wrist in the semifinals.

How is it that Rochester comes into the tournament 18-1? Do they leave non-conference games out of the record?

This is why people should use our bracket (http://www.d3sports.com/playoffs/wbbbracket2006.pdf) instead of the NCAA's. We care about getting the facts right.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:24:32 am
Quote
This is why people should use our bracket instead of the NCAA's. We care about getting the facts right.
I sense a message in there...

I'm just amazed at the rebounding statistics for R-M. I should take the time to see what their shot percentage is; one would be tempted to believe they pad the numbers by missing a few shots in order to get more rebounds. Doesn't seem like a sound game plan, unless you're just toying with other teams.

I'm impressed with Stout's recent second-half play. They easily could have folded against Simpson's resurgence Saturday night, but they didn't. I think Kelsey Duoss in the game forces defenses to collapse inside, and of course that leaves the perimeter open to shoot. Duoss, then, is not only a potent force inside, she's also a wonderful decoy. A team COULD ignore her, but to its peril.

Amanda Geissler shows absolutely no fear or hesitation bringing the ball up, and that has to annoy an opponent. She and Lindsey work well together, and the entire starting ten is geling.

Will R-M be the toughest opponent of the weekend? I've been so dazzled by all the print on them that I failed to look at anyone else. That's probably good: don't look past the first game until you GET past the first game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 08:34:39 pm
It's eerily quiet out here. Where is everybody?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 08:56:10 pm
How many other WIAC fans are rooting for Stout? Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:14:26 pm
Of course, I can't represent myself as 'other WIAC fans', but in an effort to break the silence, I'd like to suggest that the farther Stout goes, the better WIAC teams look over all.

We all know that on any given night, any WIAC team can beat any other WIAC team. Sometimes, it's not a matter of who plays better but rather who's ahead at the final buzz.

I hope WIAC gets behind Stout this year--and truthfully, I hope Stout is out front for the next couple of years for WIAC to get behind; unabashed bias--and I hope Stout joins the rest if a different WIAC team moves up the brackets in the future.

Sort of WIAC patriotism.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2006, 11:07:25 pm
This blugold fan will be rooting for Stout!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 11:30:16 pm
I'm still debating.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:16:43 am
Sorry, hibernated on the women when the men made the tournament. I'm trying to catch up on what everyone has said.

I'm definitely pulling for the Stouters. They gave UW-L 3 of their 8 losses and were really the only team that owned UW-L this year. Should be fun next year though.

I'm also rooting because, and I may be in the minority here, but I think by the end of the year there were four WIAC teams that would have done well in the NCAA's. I know some teams lost some games in non-conference early but they were "toughened" up late. I think Oshkosh and UW-L could have a won at least one in the tourney and Point I'm not positive on cause I didn't see them without Kranz. Obviously it all comes down to matchups but I don't think the league was that far down from what people think. Hopefully Stout will keep proving that.

Also noticed some All-Conference talk a few pages back. Awesome honor for Hunter at UWL. Doesn't that seem somewhat amazing that it's 11 years for a frosh first teamer? How about impact? I know everyone spent all year talking about EC's freshmen class but UWL's 2009 group is every bit as good. They add another to that class with the medical redshirt of a nice post that played a last season but tore her ACL. Now the challenge is having them all become seniors some day.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:19:36 am
Oh yeah. Forgot.

gulp!

Go Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 08, 2006, 07:54:45 am
How many other WIAC fans are rooting for Stout? Just curious.

Thanks buf and billys.  :)

I remember when the Warhawks were in the football playoffs and all the BlueDevils were rooting for them.

Go WIAC and go BlueDevils!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 08, 2006, 08:59:49 am
Thanks, WIAC guys for the support.  I too, got kind of out of the women's loop when I was covering the men during their tournament.  Let me throw in another, "What kind of a guy is Mark Thomas".  WMEQ radio did not know if they could afford to send two radio guys to Washington as it is very expensive.  I was going to do the boys sectional (Menomonie/ECM).  Mark Thomas asked me if I wanted to go West with his team.  He said he would make some phone calls.  Guess what.  All of a sudden WMEQ calls and says I am going West.  Mark Thomas (and WMEQ) are a class act.  The things that are happening in athletics right now at Stout are fun to be a part of.  I have been a Menomonie High School guy all my life, but this Stout thing is a growing, thriving, exciting thing to be a part of and I think it is only going to get better.  GO BLUEDEVILS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:14:00 am
I'm also rooting because, and I may be in the minority here, but I think by the end of the year there were four WIAC teams that would have done well in the NCAA's.

You may be in the minority - but I am in agreement with you, and posted the same on MIAC forum here.

This is the MIAC post:

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Definitely a disappointing night last night for the MIAC.  I wasn't that surprised that Simpson held off CSB on their home floor.  But I definitely expected more out of Concordia, even if it was this team's first trip to the dance.  61-37?  OUCH!  I mean, I knew Stout was a quality team and all but still.  Is the WIAC that good or is the MIAC that bad?  

And this was my response:

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I'd like to suggest that the WIAC is just that good.  

We have three other WIAC teams that are good enough to have been playing this weekend - Stevens Point, Oshkosh and LaCrosse.

I truly believe that any of those teams would have given Simpson a run for their money on Simpson's home court last night.  Not saying that they'd have all won, but they would have been very competitive games.

Concordia is a young team - they could very well be back next year and go deeper in the Tournament!

From a recent St. Ben's fans post on the MIAC forum:

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It was actually a really fun game and the crowd was loud and really into it.  Almost one whole side of the gym was full of students who stood and screamed and yelled the whole game.  It made for a fun playoff atmosphere and I'm sure it energized the Storm --- it was a great home court advantage and atmosphere.

The crowd was 950 on Friday night, and that included folks that stayed to watch the second game.  Saturday, with Simpson playing on their home court for the right to move on to the Sectionals, the attendance was only 650 - and that was with Simpson offering upto 500 free tickets for the Simpson students...

I'd be interested what the St. Ben's fan would think of playing at Johnson Field House in front of 1 - 2,000 WIAC fans.  Of course, all WIAC fans just sit and watch the game and never cheer.... ;D

Instead of a crowd of 650 for the game last Saturday, I wouldn't have been surprised to see 2,000+ in the stands.  Now that would be a "great home court advantage".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:17:50 am
Great news SG!!!

When I saw you Monday night and you said you wouldn't be making the trip, I was really disappointed - both for you and myself.

I really like your part of the radio feed, and for a game of this magnitude, I truly felt you should be part of it.

I really hope you have a great weekend in Tacoma!!!

Of course, if you have a great weekend, I'll have one too!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2006, 02:03:14 pm
bllys-

I think more were talking about EC's freshman class because they logged the most minutes of any team, and 5 got significant playing time in pretty much every game.  Also there are probably more EC posters than Lax posters on this site.  Lax definately has a good class, along with WW.

Champ-

I am sure Stout would have sold out if at Johnson Fieldhouse.  EC sold out their 2nd round games about 5-6 years ago.  Isn't is ashame that some schools who get the opportunity to host a sectional can only fill their stands half-full?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 05:26:36 pm
Opera is big at Simpson, so that may have created some claim on students. I know the restaurant we ate at Friday was setting up buffet tables, and i assumed it might be for basketball people after the game. It was hors d'oeuvres for the opera people from Simpson. I suppose it would have been pizza if it had been basketball players.

I was very aware of the impact the Simpson student support Friday night; I think they were there quite heavily Saturday, as well, filling the far side of the gym. I thought they did a lot to help the team; perhaps they fed off each other. In fact, I was so aware of the students, I really hoped not to face them Saturday night. St Bens might have looked like the stronger team on paper, but Simpson had all the elements working for it: raucous crowd included.

Could Stout have had a bigger win without the crowd? I wonder about that. Or, did Stout have the win it had, because of the group that followed them to Indianola? There was a sizeable contingent rooting for Stout Friday and Saturday.

I'm sure the refs are quite grateful for our help, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:04:33 pm
Champ-

I am sure Stout would have sold out if at Johnson Fieldhouse.  EC sold out their 2nd round games about 5-6 years ago.  Isn't is ashame that some schools who get the opportunity to host a sectional can only fill their stands half-full?

In Simpson's defense, at 650 attendance on Saturday night, the field house was more than half full.  But there was a substantial showing of UW Stout fans to accomplish that.

Of course, the Simpson website claims that the capacity is 3,000... ::)

I did a quick calculation by counting the seats in my section, and I'd estimate actual seating capacity at about 1200.

Now D3 hoops website claims a capacity of 2200 for Stout, and the season opener against UWEC we had 2076 in attendance.

For reference, Simpson never had a home game that exceeded 1,000 this past year.

Concordia's attendance for the MIAC Championship game was 353 and they averaged 230 for the season.

St. Bens - well they don't publish the attendance for their home games - but for the average attendance for road games was (including the game at Simpson) 304.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:14:14 pm
I'm sure the refs are quite grateful for our help, too.

LOL...

I was quiet and demure, but I do believe you lived up to your board handle... :o

As you know, I wasn't there for Friday night.  But considering there were probably far less than 100 St. Ben's fans in attendance, It most likely appeared that only Simpson fans were in attendance.

As you noted, there was a very respectable Stout fan section.  And we don't mind getting up to cheer on occassion... ;D

Have to give our Cheer and Stunt Squad credit.  They really worked our crowd to cheer, and they actually did something during the timeouts.  It was interesting watching the Simpson Cheerleaders watch our group do their lifts... 8)

All in all, a good weekend for the team.

I just talked to Coach T as he was riding up to the airport - he said everyone is healthy, so I told him just to go out there and play their game!

The should be somewhere over the Dakotas right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 07:17:41 pm
When I contacted the Simpson sports info director about advance tickets, he said the place seated 1300+ as explanation for not selling tickets ahead of time. Apparently, 1300 seemed adequate to accommodate any crowd. And, of course, in the end it was. I asked the same thing of the PLU SID, and he said they seat 3,200, so there's no need to sell advance tickets. I imagine he's right since teams are coming from Texas, Wisconsin and Virginia--teams pretty much represent the four 'corners' of the country. Unless people are planning to vacation in Washington for spring break, there are not likely to be enough people to pack the gym.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 09, 2006, 01:48:05 pm
It will be an interesting game tomorrow that Stout has with Randolph Macon.  Macon has some size that could potentially give Duoss some fits.  I assume however that Duoss is more athletic than the Macon bigs.  Another good battle will be between Silva and Hendricks, provided that they will be matched up together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MajorStoutFan on March 09, 2006, 02:09:29 pm
Wow, so love reading about the Lady Blue Devils! First time I have posted though.  Just want to say, not only does Coach T have passion, but those girls play with all heart.  We love the team and wish we could follow them this weekend too (loved Iowa!!)  I expect the girls will have a tough game on Friday, but they have the right mental attitude and with this group of girls, they have the passion to "get it done".  Molly won't give up  ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2006, 06:25:08 pm
It will be an interesting game tomorrow that Stout has with Randolph Macon.  Macon has some size that could potentially give Duoss some fits.  I assume however that Duoss is more athletic than the Macon bigs.  Another good battle will be between Silva and Hendricks, provided that they will be matched up together.

I think the key is to hold Silva to her average # of points, and then shut down the rest of the team.  Silva is a great player, and great players aren't shut down.

But if we can turn her into their only weapon, I think we can get the result we want - another Stout "W".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 10, 2006, 09:56:46 am
Temps in Washington: VERY cold (37 degrees? :-\) and traffic is a mess, according to morning news. I didn't expect this kind of response to cold and snow in this state; Florida, yes; Washington, no.

A bunch of guys in the lobby--looks like a golf team from Louis and Clark College. Courses should be open today. Unfortunately, they can't get out of here. Cell phones are all tied up; nobody seems to be at the courses to answer phones. Golfing in March! 8) Who'dathunk?

Anyway, weather seems to have picked up where Iowa left off. Same old, same old. That bodes well for the Blue Devil women...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 12:50:00 pm
Anyway, weather seems to have picked up where Iowa left off. Same old, same old. That bodes well for the Blue Devil women...

Cheer for The Champ's while your out there!!!  Listen hard, you just might be able to hear Mrs. Champ and I cheering while listening over the internet!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:00:59 pm
Champ-

Are you listening to the Stout game?  My feed has the Memorial vs Menomonie game.  Its almost over, so I assume they will join the women's game in progress???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:05:24 pm
Same thing here buf...

Hoping that they'll get the Stout game on soon.  Why are they advertising this for the only web broadcast of the game (Randolph Macons website also lists the feed)... >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:12:35 pm
Champ and Buf -

The game's on 106.7 FM.  Stout's up by a couple
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:18:08 pm
Thanks Rico-

I'm in EC and can get enough radio wave to barely hear it (over the static), but its better than nothing.  Thanks again!

I see the live stats that were advertised are not working either on the PLU website.



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:18:36 pm
Stout's offense struggling...  down 18 -12 at about the 11 minute mark
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:19:44 pm
20-12 RMC 9min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:20:41 pm
Stout's offense struggling...  down 18 -12 at about the 11 minute mark

Thanks Rico!

Please keep posting the scores until WMEQ gets the game on!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:21:38 pm
26-12 RMC  What's happening?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:22:38 pm
Sounds like the big gal (Orton) is killing Stout, according to the announcers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:23:41 pm
Duoss ends the RMC run. 26-14 7min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:28:59 pm
5:40  Stout down by 16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:35:32 pm
Stout is still down big. Stout announcers say they are getting good shots, but just not hitting them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:36:22 pm
31-15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:37:46 pm
38-16 2min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:39:13 pm
Thanks for keeping the updates coming buf.

I can't believe that WMEQ has not started the internet feed yet - they are still doing the post game wrap up for the HS game... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:39:32 pm
40-18.  Now Silva killing them
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:41:23 pm
44-20 Half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:43:15 pm
Maybe Stout can pull off what Millikin did to them last year.  If so, they better make an early run in the 2nd.  As the minutes tick away in the 2nd, Duoss will become less and less of a factor, if they are down by double digits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:45:59 pm
Painful to listen to...  not sure if this politically correct, but this Silva must be a STUD!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:47:38 pm
Buf -

I was at the Millikin game last year.  I was having the same thought...   hopefully, we can turn the table               QUICKLY!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:48:47 pm
I sure hope so buf...

I would hate to end the season with a blowout loss.  Right now I'm putting the blame on WMEQ for not providing the feed.

I've already emailed the GM at WMEQ and let him know that there were people all over the country depending on this feed.  
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:49:53 pm
Finally, Jake and Schrantzy!!!

50 minutes late... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:53:24 pm
Rico

I believe I read that Silva is the leading scorer in D3.  Something like 22-24pts/game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:56:55 pm
Rico

I believe I read that Silva is the leading scorer in D3.  Something like 22-24pts/game.

She is the leading scorer, and it was announced today that she is the Josten's Award winner - which if I understand correctly is the D3 Women's Player of the Year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:58:43 pm
I looked it up, she averages 23pts/game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:01:09 pm
Well, it sounds like we're playing much better now!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:04:55 pm
46-33, Stout on a big run
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:14:02 pm
Stout down now 60-34.  WOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:32:26 pm
Stout on a huge run 67-57 4:30
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:33:02 pm
67 - 57 now.  Stout's making a strong run, and there's still time!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:34:01 pm
make that 67 - 56...   The officials changed it too a 2 pointer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:38:12 pm
70 - 62
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:41:28 pm
72-67 after a Bird 3, 1:20.  Still hope
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:44:34 pm
73 - 69  Duoss with a pair of FT's
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:51:54 pm
Congrats on a great season for Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:53:18 pm
Have to give the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils credit, as they fought to the end.

Molly, Steph, "Luck" and Brit - Thanks for 4 years of dedication to the program!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2006, 11:09:24 pm
Sounds like the Blue Devils went down fighting... Congrats on a fine season... Not many can say they have been to the Sweet 16 two straight years...


Thanks for representing the WIAC well the last two years, ladies...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 11:21:39 pm
Painful to listen to...  not sure if this politically correct, but this Silva must be a STUD!

Just the opposite actually. Listed at 5'6", she appears smaller and younger, but she is magic on the court.
A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 11:29:06 pm
Quote from: GAVA A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
[quote

I really wish she had... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 11, 2006, 12:50:21 am
Silva is everything they said; whatever she put up went in. Strong inside presence, but that probably didn't doom Stout. It was Silva's game all the way. Of course, we helped: missed lots of shots.

I'm behind R-M the rest of the way. Good showing for Stout at the PLU gym. Didn't appear to be any bigger than the Simpson gym; I'm not sure how they might seat 3,200. Stacked?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2006, 12:53:04 am
Quote from: GAVA A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
[quote

I really wish she had... ;)

I say the same thing about Duoss.....

....wait......she did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 11, 2006, 09:53:42 am
Hat's off to R-M! Hopefully, they'll carry it through to the championship.  Stout women played with the desire and heart they've displayed throughout the year...  way to hang in there and make a game out of it!  Sincere congratulations to Coach T and staff...   and especially to the women Bluedevils!!

Thanks to our 4 seniors for 4 years of dedication.  We'll miss you!


                ...when does next season begin????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 12, 2006, 08:29:17 am
FWIW - Last night's results:

Hardin-Simmons 72, Randolph-Macon 56

Hope 76, DePauw 60

Scranton 50, Baldwin-Wallace 41

Southern Maine 56, Bowdoin 53

From what I read, Orton and Morusman had 4 fouls in the first half of the Hardin Simmons/Randolph Macon game.  With those two in limited action from there out, Silva was limited to 19 points.

Good luck to the Final Four teams.

Wish we could be making the trip to Springfield...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2006, 11:02:33 am
Silva must have had all her points in the first half; saw her make, possibly, 3 in the second. Couldn't hit the basket with a funnel. H-S looked like Friday night's R-M and R-M looked like Friday night's Stout. Of course, that was second half. Didn't see the first.

I see the sun; it's hazy, but I'm sure that's what it is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:16:25 pm
I was following the "live stats" for the game last night.  Orton picked up 2 quick fouls, and it looked like she sat the rest of the half.  When starting the 2nd, she scored 10 points in the first 4min or so.  RMC was down 10 at half, but made a quick run to go up by 1 with 15min or so left.  HS grabbed the lead back and had the game in control for the rest of the game.  Silva was only 7-23 from the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:36:59 pm
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Kim Stokke (Menomonie) to Stout
6'0" Samantha Mayer (Bloomer) to Stout

The next 60 to come at a later date  ;D


5'6" Krystal Parr (Bloomer) to River Falls over Stout.  In a newspaper article she said, "I would have gone to Stout, but they have like 20 guards."

5'11" J. Lindner (Neillsville) to UWEC.  She played in the state tourney this past weekend.


Any other recruiting info???

Anyone go to the state tourney???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2006, 12:21:43 pm
I was at the state tournament and saw every team play at least once.   There were some nice players but overall the talent level was not as good as past tournaments.  Most of the games were boring blow outs or if they were close it was because both teams were turning the ball over constantly or neither could shoot to save their souls.

However my wife is a teacher at Waterford so she was excited to see them make it to the championship game.  Then, with victory within their grasp, the best point guard at the state tournament turns the ball over and they lose.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 20, 2006, 07:57:25 pm
What does next year look like?

Stout loses Molly Hendricks, Steph Nemitz, Sarah Miles, Brit Evert.

Stout keeps Kelsey Duoss and the Geisslers, among others.

And recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on March 21, 2006, 04:23:45 pm
I am not 100% about this but I would believe that La Crosse will be the only team not losing any players.  That should play a big role in confrence play next year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 06:00:52 pm
What does Oshkosh look like? Stevens Point had many young players, I thought.

LaCrosse will be impressive if they not only have everyone coming back but also have a year of playing together; Eau Claire was very young this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 21, 2006, 10:59:58 pm
A couple people ran this on the guys board so I'll throw them out. They will definitely change are there's more news on recruits and newcomers. Based only on what current teams have coming back, my picks would be something like this.

Stout
La Crosse
River Falls
Point
EC
Whitewater
Oshkosh
Platteville
Superior

 Stout has to be the favorite although losing Molly could be huge. Toughness and leadership alone.

2-5 is very tough. La Crosse has everyone back and adds an injured post player. Plus as FL said, they've all played together a year. River Falls is often forgotten but they would probably have finished third without the injury to their their best player.Point will finish better than fourth I think, I just don't know where to put them with the loss of Schultz. Wouldn't surprise me if their tradition got them second. Eau Claire was young but they still may have to get over the hump with some of these kids. Still weird they made their run when Burns got hurt. 

WW returns basically all but one player and will be dangerous. Oshkosh and Platteville suffered the most senior losses and will have to regroup a bit. Superior is Superior. By the way, did they get a coach yet.

At any rate, they will all probably change when the names of recruits come out. Haven't heard about any kids to La Crosse yet. I'll have to see what I can dig up.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 11:35:26 pm
Re:Superior. I heard, on the D3 boards by the way, that they hired a men's coach. Odd the school hasn't released anything, but then they didn't report the women's coach's resignation until about two months later or more. I know they have had interviews, but there's absolutely no talk where I am.

Still, they have a recruiting deficit, so even with outstanding coaches, they'll have to pull together teams from what they have or what they can drum up between now and August.

Having LaCrosse's post return to the line up might actually create some initial chaos, but I suspect that will get ironed out in the preseason. Platteville is always tough but has trouble sustaining it throughout the season. I suppose that reflects more on the parity of the conference than an individual team, because all of the schools seem to have peaks and valleys when you least expect them.

It's tough waiting until next season to see how it will unfold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 23, 2006, 04:25:22 pm
In an absolutely unprecedented show of unnecessary hoopla, UW-Superior announced today that the athletic director will hold a press conference Monday to announce the new men's basketball coach.  :o That's like a warning that there will be a warning coming out.

No word on the women's coach; haven't seen anything since the search committee(s) invited people in to listen to presentations by two candidates. Bush would be proud of such security.

Security is heightened by apathy: no leaks if no one is listening to the information.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 26, 2006, 02:17:01 pm
Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:

1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs.  Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs.  To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs.  To Stout

2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout??  A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout. 
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on March 29, 2006, 01:20:25 am
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Kim Stokke (Menomonie) to Stout
6'0" Samantha Mayer (Bloomer) to Stout

The next 60 to come at a later date  ;D


5'6" Krystal Parr (Bloomer) to River Falls over Stout.  In a newspaper article she said, "I would have gone to Stout, but they have like 20 guards."

5'11" J. Lindner (Neillsville) to UWEC.  She played in the state tourney this past weekend.


Any other recruiting info???

Anyone go to the state tourney???

Are you sure Krystal Parr is going to UWRF? The Leader-Telegram last Sunday said she was going to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 29, 2006, 12:52:49 pm
UWS hired a UW-Parkside assistant coach (Dave Buchanen?) to head men's basketball and, at the same time, announced it had hired a women's coach, but wouldn't reveal that name until Friday, 31 March. I haven't even heard speculation on who that is. Perhaps someone in the DIII hoops network already knows and could shed some light on the subject.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on March 29, 2006, 01:48:07 pm


Are you sure Krystal Parr is going to UWRF? The Leader-Telegram last Sunday said she was going to Stout.
Quote


From what I have heard, Krystal Parr was not even recruited by Stout

and

 Sam Mayer will be playing basketball at Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 29, 2006, 01:57:01 pm
Bucky C-

Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:

1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs.  Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs.  To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs.  To Stout

2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout??  A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.  
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U


I metioned this in my quoted post, just before your post!

Perhaps the L-T got Parr mixed up with Mayer since they both played at Bloomer.  Who knows???  I guess we will find out next fall.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 31, 2006, 11:36:29 am
Any word out of UW-Superior yet?

As far as recruits go I have heard very little here at La Crosse.

There's a shooter from Stevens Point whose first name is Sara that I believe is coming here next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 11:42:39 am
Women's coach: Don Mulhern, most recently from Rockford College. Did some significant stuff at MacMurray in early 90s. Assistant at UW-LaCrosse, must have been when he was working on his masters.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 31, 2006, 01:55:03 pm
Bucky C-

Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:

1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs.  Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs.  To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs.  To Stout

2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout??  A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.  
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U


I metioned this in my quoted post, just before your post!

Perhaps the L-T got Parr mixed up with Mayer since they both played at Bloomer.  Who knows???  I guess we will find out next fall.

Last night, WEAU news said Parr was going to River Falls.  The L-T must have made a mistake.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 02:18:35 pm
Perhaps krystal parr is actually going to LaCrosse but wants to keep the HWY 29 wires clicking. Or, maybe she's going to Stout and River Falls to get a double major in agriculture and fashion design--making fabric out of corn or creating outerwear for cattle--to protect against those long cold winters in...Canada (Udderly North Designs?).

If she's smart, she'll go to UW-Superior with new coaches, a new building and a whole new attitood, dood!

New motto: next year we're going to win some WIAC games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on April 12, 2006, 01:33:14 pm
Krystall Parr is definatly going to UWRF.

Other news........Ellie Bailey from Chetek is going to UWEC after turning down a scholarship offer from Mankato State.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 12, 2006, 07:50:54 pm
For the 1st time in about a month..... some WIAC news!

I took a look at UWEC's 06'-07' schedule.  Once again Englund has put together a challenging non-conference schedule.

Hope Tip Off Tourney: Hope is defending champs

EC Thanksgiving Tourney: Teams include Viterbo, Morningside, and Otterbein.  Morningside has been a good NAIA team, winning back to back championships a couple years ago.  They also defeated EC at Zorn the year after the Blugolds went to the Final Four.

At St. Cloud State: A D2 team that made the Elite 8 this past year.  They also beat Stout by 17 this past year.

At Carroll College:  A tough MWC team this past year.  They beat UWO and Point.  EC made a late comeback at Zorn last year to give Carroll there first loss of the season.

Trinity Holiday Tourney: Trinity won the championship a few years ago and are always one of the best South region teams.


From looking at the conference schedule, it seems that the teams will be playing their opponents in the same sequence as last year, with the only difference being reversed home court.  For example, UWEC played Stout for their first conference game last year at Zorn.  They play Stout first this year too, but AT Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 16, 2006, 11:52:03 am
WARHAWKS[/color] announce recruiting class....

http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm

It includes a transfer from UW-EC, Lana Marjanovic. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 16, 2006, 06:40:38 pm
WARHAWKS[/color] announce recruiting class....

http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm

It includes a transfer from UW-EC, Lana Marjanovic. 

I remember Marjanovic from a few years ago when La Crosse was recruiting her. Good size. Looks like WW added a lot of size.

They must also have some girls not coming back considering they have 18 on the roster and lost just one senior. Not atypical of D3 hoops I guess.

Also found it interesting that they said the Morton girl helped lead Milwaukee to a 23-10 record considering she only played an average of 4 minutes in 7 games.

Keep 'em coming! I'm anxious to see what Eau Claire has for a complete class and what Oshkosh is doing to replace their huge losses. From what I hear in La Crosse, small class with a really nice D2 transfer. Last year they released their big group about this time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeagles on May 21, 2006, 11:42:34 am
Got some more recriuting news... this time out of
La Crosse

http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 21, 2006, 10:03:07 pm
Anyone know why Liz Buttke transferred?  She is a good pickup for UWL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 22, 2006, 02:42:50 pm
Someone beat me to the post of the release.
Looks like another decent class; and they did need to add more perimeter shooting. But wow, adding a player like Buttke to last year's freshman class, along with the post that was hurt and redshirted. The future, and present, is bright for them. I have some buddies from her hometown (including the LaX assistant) that say she's the real deal. Never seen her play; I'll see if there's any "story" to the transfer. For a true freshman to lead a D2 team in scoring (albeit a bad one) she must be able to play.

I'll now argue with anyone who wants to compare last year's EC class with LAX's. Combine that with the good upperclassmen LAX has and I feel like they are a legitimate threat to Stout's supremacy this year. Stout's still the favorite but after doing the addition/subtraction with those two teams, the gap seems a bit smaller. Still though, no 6'3" to match up with Duoss. Even still, from where this program has been, I'm excited to see there appears to be some staying power. We'll see.

BDB- any word on the Stout recruits? They may have to find a frosh or two that can make some impact next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 22, 2006, 11:13:10 pm

any word on the Stout recruits? They may have to find a frosh or two that can make some impact next year.

Kim Stokke (Menomonie) and Samantha Meyer (Bloomer) are the recruits that I have heard of for Stout.  Stokke is about 5'10" and would likely play the power forward spot.  I think she will have a decent shot at starting.  Don't know much about Meyer.  She would probably be a center or power forward.  Maybe a backup to Duoss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 31, 2006, 05:46:10 pm
UWSP schedule is out (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/schedule.htm).  Only 24 games? Ummm.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 01:48:29 pm
OS,

You linked the Men's Schedule from 2005-06.  This is the Women's page.  Huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 01, 2006, 01:50:14 pm
With the exception of Wheaton, their non-conference schedule looks pretty easy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 05:07:29 pm
UWSP schedule is out (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/schedule.htm).  Only 24 games? Ummm.


I believe that I read the Pointers will be playing UW-Madison in an exhibition game.  I can't confirm that yet, however.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 02, 2006, 01:12:27 am
Taking everyone back to UWEC, i hear they have a huge recruiting class coming in next season on top of last years. They recruited a 6'3 center transfer from MATC-madison who i hear to be a good match-up for Duoss from stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 03, 2006, 06:49:32 pm
here's the schedule out of La Crosse

http://www.uwlax.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:37:05 pm
Taking everyone back to UWEC, i hear they have a huge recruiting class coming in next season on top of last years. They recruited a 6'3 center transfer from MATC-madison who i hear to be a good match-up for Duoss from stout.

I heard back in Feb. that a 6'3" transfer might come to UWEC.  I guess at that time she was still deciding where to go.  Because of UWEC's lack of proven talent/depth in the center position, I am glad she will be joining UWEC.  However, I will have to see her play at least a few games to see if she in fact is a good match up against Duoss.  If she is anything like Duoss, I would expect to see EC have a much improved team.

Since it is early June, Englund should be officially announcing her recruiting class soon.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:38:57 pm
here's the schedule out of La Crosse

http://www.uwlax.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/

WOW, 1st game after transferring, Buttke goes against her former team!  Anyone know WHY she transferred?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 04, 2006, 07:00:29 pm
as riddiculous as this sounds rumor has it, that her boyfriend goes to school at lax
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 05, 2006, 10:53:13 am
I have heard of more ridiculous ones than that, but nothing suprises me anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 05, 2006, 01:28:53 pm
as riddiculous as this sounds rumor has it, that her boyfriend goes to school at lax

I can't fully dispute that; could be a reason if indeed he does. I have heard though that there are a few other Winona State freshmen transferring following this season. Doubtful they all have boyfriends at their new schools. Being that La Crosse and Winona are a stone's throw away, I would doubt a girl would give up a scholarship to be closer to her boyfriend; then again, maybe not.

It has become somewhat commonplace for kids to go off to "scholarship" schools and end up back in the WIAC. Duoss, Eggers, Amy Scott (I think), Muggenborg, and so on.

They also stunk and La Crosse looks to be up-and-coming, I would have to believe that played a factor.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 07, 2006, 12:25:17 pm
Gosh, when are all the recruiting classes coming out, i am anxcious to see who is coming to each school!!!!!!!!! ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 07, 2006, 02:06:16 pm
Gosh, when are all the recruiting classes coming out, i am anxcious to see who is coming to each school!!!!!!!!! ???

Whitewater's and UWL's recruiting class have came out.  Scroll back a page or two and you should find them
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 08, 2006, 06:48:54 pm
River Falls 2006-07 schedule is out!!

http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.schedule.2007.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 08, 2006, 07:00:15 pm
Here's an easier route to viewing WW's[/color] recruits....http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 18, 2006, 10:44:29 am
I might be new at this but, should have the recruits come out for all teams. i know WW and LC already but when are the others???????? >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 18, 2006, 06:16:25 pm
I might be new at this but, should have the recruits come out for all teams. i know WW and LC already but when are the others???????? >:(

Some teams might be waiting on the decision of player or two.  Also, some teams may not even announce a recruiting class.  I would imagine if they are going to announce one, they would do so soon, probably by the end of the month.  I know that Englund usually announces her class late May/early June, but has yet to do so this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 18, 2006, 10:00:07 pm
some teams also announce players one by one with small press releases
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 12:21:23 pm
I'd be interested in how many people are transferring out of a program--either moving to another or outright quitting. I've heard rumors of one leaving Eau Claire women's team? Will more than one leave?

Any scuttlebutt on transfers from program to program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 19, 2006, 02:49:32 pm
According to WW's[/color] list of recruits Lana Marjanovic is transfering from UW-EC to WHITEWATER[/color].  Though, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 03:35:04 pm
Quote
Though, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there. 

I think that might be the crux of many transfer issues: go to a school based on some understanding about playing time and not meeting expectations. A lot of Eau Claire's bench finally got playing time when injuries wiped out starters and usual back-ups. The mixed bag of having a good team is that it attracts good players; but you can only put five on the court at a time.

Which brings me back to the question about why a good basketball player would go to a school with a stack of good players? I still think the smart good player, who wants to get playing time, will go to a mediocre school and try to make a difference. At least she'll get on the court.

The downside: you may have to get used to losing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 09:44:04 pm
why a good basketball player would go to a school with a stack of good players? I still think the smart good player, who wants to get playing time, will go to a mediocre school and try to make a difference. At least she'll get on the court.

The downside: you may have to get used to losing.

I think a lot has to do with winning.  Also a player may attend a certain school (and may not get alot of PT) because of the following reasons:

-They want to play close to home so parents, etc. can come watch them play.
-There is a certain field of study that the school specializes in.
-AND........ their boyfriend attends a certain school so they want to attend the same school.  ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 09:55:23 pm
Well, of course, there's the boyfriend thing. Who can argue with that? :-\ And staying close enough to home without being too close is certainly important, but Wisconsin isn't that big. If you want a state school, you can live just about anywhere and go to school just about anywhere and not be out of reach.

Then it comes down to 'winning' vs playing. Does a person want to watch a winning team or play basketball? Having watched my daughter watch most of the season (injury), I get the impression that playing beats the bejesus out of watching.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 10:06:22 pm
 UWO's Schedule (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/Schedule.html) is out

Wheaton and St. Norberts are pretty good, but UWO will have them at home.  I think their real non-conference test will come on their holiday trip to the West coast when they will play Pacific Lutheran and George Fox, both good teams.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 20, 2006, 12:00:01 pm
WW's[/color] schedule has also been released.

Opening up with a game against Aurora in the Wheaton College Tip-Off the schedule includes nonconference games against Edgewood, Millikin, Luther, University of Chicago, Judson and a nice holiday break in Honolulu. 

For the full schedule....http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule.cfm

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on June 26, 2006, 06:48:55 pm
That West Coast trip is a killer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 27, 2006, 03:07:57 pm
This was posted on the men's WIAC board:

A story in the June 17 Capital Times has the rosters for the WBCA All Stars - both men and women, all four divisions, north and south.  A total of 80 boys and 80 girls and theur colleges.  It lists their high schools and what college they will be attending.  It is a pretty complete summary of the recruits for all the WIAC schools.  It is at:

http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/preps/index.php?ntid=88020&ntpid=2


Also, Englund announced her recruiting class yesterday, 8 recruits I believe.  Later, I should have more info.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:30:50 pm
Could it be UW-Stout will have a pared-down roster this year? Or will it just look like that, because other schools are going with 20+?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 28, 2006, 09:38:03 pm
More on UWEC recruits:

Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10" 15.3pts

Missy Fremstad (Osseo-Fairchild)- 5'7"  Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Soph Eligibility

Daidre Green (Marshfield Columbus)- 5'10"

Kali Houselog (St. Mary Central)- 6'0" Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Jr Eligibility

Kari Kaeding (Chippewa Falls)- 5'10"

Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'11" 12.5pts

Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0" 17.2pts

Erin Voelker (Portage)- 6'3" Transfer from Madison Area Technical College, Jr Eligibility, 20.5pts, 11.3rebs, 2.5blks at MATC, NJCAA All American.


It will be interesting seeing some of these players.  The 2 transfers from Moorhead played off the bench.  Voelker put up impressive numbers, but from what I can tell the Junior College division is quite a bit weaker than the D3 level.  In fact she only averaged 9pts & 5rebs as a senior in high school on a 2-19 team.  Hopefully she has improved quite a bit since then.   The high school players look decent, but probably only one or two will have any significant playing time considering UWEC returns almost everyone from last year.  My initial impressions are that this recruiting class isn't as talented as last years.  But who knows??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2006, 01:38:09 pm
Could it be UW-Stout will have a pared-down roster this year? Or will it just look like that, because other schools are going with 20+?

Nice!  :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 29, 2006, 04:42:27 pm
I went to portage back in the day, i saw Voelker play and the reason she didn't score that much is because teammates had a little trouble getting the ball down the court. Also NJCAA is not as easy as you think, i played in NJCAA and its all players that either cant afford college or great players that can't make the grades. some teams are week but looking at MATC's schedule they played D1, D2 colleges and won. Also you can't put up those numbers and be in the top 5 in the nation NJCAA to become 1st team and not be good. but again i will have to see her play at UWEC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 03, 2006, 10:14:06 am
WARHAWKS[/color] add additional recruit:

Molly Hendrickson, formerly of Monroe High School and more recently a walk-on in Lisa Stone's BADGER[/color] program has transferred and will play basketball for the WARHAWKS[/color].  She didn't see a lot of action in Madison but this kid can play and she'll be nice addition to the program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 03, 2006, 08:27:52 pm
WARHAWKS[/color] add additional recruit:

Molly Hendrickson, formerly of Monroe High School

BW, I believe you mean Kelsey Hendrickson, correct?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 05, 2006, 09:04:02 am
I believe that's who I meant too, Bill.    :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 06, 2006, 12:10:10 pm
I think when you say she didn't see much time at Madison you mean NONE considering she never dressed a game.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 06, 2006, 09:14:15 pm
That wouldn't be much would it.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 07, 2006, 07:11:43 am
Just wanted to make that clear for everyone so they didn't start changing their season predictions thinking WW got some huge BADGER transfer  ;)

anyone know why she left madison?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 07, 2006, 09:14:41 am
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that.   Truthfully, I don't follow the BADGER[/color] women's program that closely and wasn't aware she hadn't dressed.  I knew she hadn't played so I probably should have made that clearer.  But  she was a good player in high school and she'll be a nice addition to the WARHAWKS[/color]  program.     

Obviously she could have continued her education in Madison so I wouldn't be surprised if the most obvious reason, she still wants to play, is involved in her decision.    Then again maybe her boyfriend goes to school here. lol     
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 08, 2006, 07:16:10 pm
It's hard to believe that the Badgers didn't try every player on the bench in at least one game during the season. They were pretty dismal most of the time. Just for kicks, you'd think they'd throw in even the manager to see if it might jump start something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on July 11, 2006, 02:27:39 pm
Foul -

I agree.  Didn't the Badger men's program play their waterboy this past season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:45:32 pm
The waterboy was probably 6'7".

Some team played a manager--I think it was high school, though--who scored a pile of points in the final game of the season. I also think there was a manager who didn't make his college team, who ended up playing because of team injuries and suspensions, or something. Maybe I dreamed both those scenarios (scenaria?)

I know there are people in the D3Sports audience who have all that information and links to stories about the schools, players, incidents, etc.

If neither of those things happened, maybe they'd make decent plots for sports novels for kids. Uplifting. Hopeful.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2006, 03:48:00 pm
No coach in their right mind elevates a nondressing, walk on player to the starting lineup to "jump start" things.  It isn't like the coach hasn't seen the player actually play so it's unlikely that they'd think that player could make any difference and it would be like admitting they couldn't evaluate their own talent.  Plus the player would have been beaten out by other walk ons who are dressing and would get a chance ahead of them.

The first example mentioned by FL was an autistic high school kid on the east coast.  He made something like 6 or 7 three pointers in less than 4 minutes of playing time.  You'll be able to see the movie they're making before too long.  The second example was a situation where there was a roster shortage created by injuries as well as other factors.  If my memory serves me it wasn't at a D1 school, at least not one that competes at the level that Wisconsin does. 

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 03:59:36 pm
The waterboy was probably 6'7".

Some team played a manager--I think it was high school, though--who scored a pile of points in the final game of the season.

This story is even better -- the kid is autistic and scored something like 24 points in three minutes in his only game of the season, kept draining threes. Was on SportsCenter, in all the papers, etc.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 04:16:47 pm
I was thinking the manager who played because of injuries, etc., was in Illinois and I think it was not an insignificant school. For some reason I keep thinking Northwestern, but that seems highly unlikely. Still, I don't think the kid played that badly. It might have been that he was small. Probably only 6'4"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: talkhoops on July 11, 2006, 10:30:07 pm
According to WW's[/color] list of recruits Lana Marjanovic is transfering from UW-EC to WHITEWATER[/color].  Though, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there. 


she is not going to UWW anymore...she's on her way to winona state
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 12, 2006, 09:23:13 am
I'd heard that her boyfriend transfered there.  ;) ;D   

So it goes in D3.  Good luck to her.



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 12, 2006, 01:01:23 pm
Quote
No coach in their right mind elevates a nondressing, walk on player to the starting lineup to "jump start" things

Besides the original comment being only semi-serious, I would add "right mind" is relative. How many coaches sticking to same old-same old losing pattern are in their "right mind"? How many coaches, who stick with a program that won a conference championship 20 years ago and nothing since, are in their "right mind"? How many coaches out there can't even spell 'innovative' much less know how to be it?

My other comment would pertain to coaches who recruit big-name players without any thought as to how those big names will mesh on the court. I believe that may have been Badger women's problem the last two years (granted, the current coach inherited most of the team) .  Recruiting should be like putting together a jig-saw puzzle--the right piece in the right place. DI and DII schools have the luxury of picking and choosing, but some seem to get blinded by glitter and forget that glitter doesn't work if there isn't some glue and some background to give it substance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 12, 2006, 02:09:47 pm
 UWO basketball assisstant coach leaves for Stout golf position (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/golf/schoonoverstout.html)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 12, 2006, 04:46:27 pm
Wow!  I am surprised.  Schoony is always a class act.  Best of luck to her in Menomonie.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 12, 2006, 05:35:29 pm
"Wow!  I am surprised.  Schoony is always a class act.  Best of luck to her in Menomonie."  
That's because Schoonover is a UWEC grad!  ;)
Best of luck to her in her new endeavors...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on July 20, 2006, 11:44:54 am
It will be interesting to see what the Bluegolds do this coming season with all those recruits.  I just hope there is team chemistry and NO drama.

Anybody know when the schedule is due out? Soon, I hope.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 20, 2006, 01:32:32 pm
Remember, Kerry Gibson's sister plays for UW-M
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 20, 2006, 01:44:37 pm
Here are UWEC's non-conference games

For the 1st time in about a month..... some WIAC news!

I took a look at UWEC's 06'-07' schedule.  Once again Englund has put together a challenging non-conference schedule.

Hope Tip Off Tourney: Hope is defending champs

EC Thanksgiving Tourney: Teams include Viterbo, Morningside, and Otterbein.  Morningside has been a good NAIA team, winning back to back championships a couple years ago.  They also defeated EC at Zorn the year after the Blugolds went to the Final Four.

At St. Cloud State: A D2 team that made the Elite 8 this past year.  They also beat Stout by 17 this past year.

At Carroll College:  A tough MWC team this past year.  They beat UWO and Point.  EC made a late comeback at Zorn last year to give Carroll there first loss of the season.

Trinity Holiday Tourney: Trinity won the championship a few years ago and are always one of the best South region teams.


From looking at the conference schedule, it seems that the teams will be playing their opponents in the same sequence as last year, with the only difference being reversed home court.  For example, UWEC played Stout for their first conference game last year at Zorn.  They play Stout first this year too, but AT Stout


To see the full schedule you can go to the UWEC women's basketball site, click on "Newsletters" and then click on "April 2006."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2006, 05:13:44 pm
The UW-Stevens Point women will open their season with an exhibition game against the BADGERS[/color] on Nov 2.


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 21, 2006, 01:04:19 am
UWSP vs. the Badgers = Shirley Egner vs. Lisa Stone again!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on July 21, 2006, 09:49:40 am
Thanks Buf. Now I see that they have it on their website under schedules as well. They must have posted later the same day I looked for it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on July 23, 2006, 09:15:35 am
Hey, UW-Platteville recuites are out they have a good class coming in next season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on July 28, 2006, 01:30:37 pm
Does anyone know UWO's or Stout's recruits for next season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 29, 2006, 10:09:04 am
I have heard nothing official from niether of them.

You can check out the link in my quote from a month ago about some of the WBCA all stars and where they are going to school.  Weather or not they are going to play basketball, who knows?

This was posted on the men's WIAC board:

A story in the June 17 Capital Times has the rosters for the WBCA All Stars - both men and women, all four divisions, north and south.  A total of 80 boys and 80 girls and theur colleges.  It lists their high schools and what college they will be attending.  It is a pretty complete summary of the recruits for all the WIAC schools.  It is at:

http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/preps/index.php?ntid=88020&ntpid=2


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 29, 2006, 11:18:14 pm
One Oshkosh recruit I've heard about is Lake Mills Lakeside Lutheran High School's Kayla Sharpee.  I had the opportunity to see her play a few times and I think she'll be a nice player in the WIAC before she graduates.  She's able to run the floor, play physically underneath and she's aggessive.  Though, admittedly, the level of competition in Capital Conference girl's basketball isn't that good and she'll have to make a significant adjustment.  But they all have to do that to one degree or another and I think she has the tools. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 31, 2006, 10:47:51 pm
All i know about Oshkosh Recruits is this...

they are all above 6 feet...

Its time for the conference to stretch out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on August 01, 2006, 08:59:08 am
Duoss still rules!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PackerFan on August 01, 2006, 11:57:53 am
Duoss rules at standing in the middle of the lane for entire posessions at a time - that's where height is really an advantage!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 01, 2006, 12:14:47 pm
As for Platteville's recruiting class....
It looks like they've added some depth in the backcourt -- where there could be a happy logjam next season -- and some much-needed height up front. 
In any event, it'll be a much different team from the past couple years.  Losing Holly Kaiser will do that.

PS:  When's the last time UWP got four WBCA All-Stars in a single recruiting class?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 01, 2006, 03:20:29 pm
MrDT- I've heard of three players going to Oshkosh and none are 6'0". Was that a joke or are there some big kids as well.

Platteville looks like they did a good job with their class. The girl from Cuba City had been rumored to not be playing bball in college. Apparently not the case. They said the same about Hunter from La Crosse playing volleyball and not basketball last year. Thankfully she chose BBall.

I was suprised to see the Oshkosh assistant leave bball. From what my buddy here at LaX says, she was pretty good. On that note he's also leaving La Crosse to go to UW-Parkside. So I lost my "source." Maybe laxeaglepride will be able to give us the scoop next season. Not sure what the players thought of him but I know he had a lot to do with the past few recruiting classes. He's not swaying me over to www.d2basketball.com however.

Also saw in the paper here that former Whitewater and La Crosse assistant Angie Russell got a D1 assistant job at Cleveland State.

Okay that's enough assistant coach news for now. Slow news day huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on August 01, 2006, 03:35:36 pm
yes billys we are going to miss your inside man...he is a great guy that will do well anywhere he goes...

and as for me I will try to keep you informed from the LaX camp
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BBall Coach on August 14, 2006, 10:23:19 am
I was fortunate enough to get to work with Kris while I was at UW-O. I will say that she is one of the best coaches I know. Stout has found an excellent person to run this new program. Good Luck Schoonie!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 17, 2006, 04:48:06 pm
Whoops, make it five WBCA All-Stars going to Platteville....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on August 28, 2006, 08:31:43 pm
Guess it's a good thing that UW-P has one heck of an assistant coach to do all that recruiting then.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on September 02, 2006, 09:48:24 am
From the WIAC home page:

"Inside the WIAC" weekly radio show to broadcast 40 shows this season:

http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/press/insidethewiac.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 12, 2006, 09:53:28 pm
Just over a month before practice begins............. with pre-season in full effect, have their been any drastic changes in newcomers? Or rosters in general for that matter?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on September 13, 2006, 01:49:48 pm
Not that I know of!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on September 21, 2006, 03:45:28 pm
Nothing more than the usual tons of recruits for some of the schools.  Plus you have tryouts in the middle of October and that might factor into it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 21, 2006, 11:26:23 pm
typically pre-season "conditioning" or captains practices as some call them usually weed some of those "recruits" out.
Looking forward to things getting started.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on September 22, 2006, 12:01:19 pm
I am as well, but in football mode right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on September 25, 2006, 07:42:26 pm
Well, i heard through the grape vine that Steph Becker and Elle Bailey (recruit) quit the UWEC team.  :'(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on September 26, 2006, 01:03:00 pm
UWEC has had a ton of turnover over the last few years, what is up with that?!  I heard that a few other upperclassmen might not be playing either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on September 26, 2006, 01:53:27 pm
Englund tends to recruit more players than outgoing seniors.  There were only 2 seniors last year and I believe something like 7 recruits this year.  This makes it difficult for some to make the team much less get solid playing time.  For players who are quitting this early, I assume that they don't want to put in the time (workouts) if they may not even make the team.  UWEC has had some turnover in recent years, but it is ususally the players at the end of the bench.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 08, 2006, 02:53:45 pm
Congrats to Mark Thomas (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/thomasWBCAcoy.html) for being awarded the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Women's coach of the year for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on October 19, 2006, 12:19:14 pm
Rosters are starting to come out......... :o ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 20, 2006, 02:13:12 pm
 UWEC's Roster  (http://www.uwec.edu/athletics/wbkb/0607/roster.htm)

Looks like a lot of new posts.

No seniors on the roster.

A few bench players either quit, didn't make the team, or transferred.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 20, 2006, 04:07:21 pm
UW-Superior roster:  http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/roster.asp?
(Note: UW-Eau Claire transfer Amanda Rounsville (Maple Northwestern))

UW-Stevens Point roster:  http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/roster.htm
(Note: D-II Michigan Tech transfer Katie Webber (Reedsburg))
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 20, 2006, 09:34:30 pm
It would be great to see skillful basketball players abandon the practice of flocking to already overloaded benches and start joining the less successful teams. I commend Amanda Rounsville for making the leap and going to Soup-town. I hope she's happier up north AND helps make a difference. I'm hoping the new coach--who has been working very hard, by the way--finds success. I've said it before, I'll probably say it again--senility, perhaps--it's better to go to the weaker teams and PLAY than join a deep team and sit on the bench for three years. Let the season begin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on October 21, 2006, 12:39:58 pm
I saw this discussion on here in the past, and while I don't completely disagree in theory with the basketball portion of your statement, there are so many things that go into consideration at the Division III level. Amanda is from the Superior area so her transfer makes sense on a few different levels.

FL- I've read your posts in the past and have always enjoyed your analysis so please don't think I'm bashing your post. And I also don't think you meant it like it was written, but when you say "start joining the less successful teams" you ignore the academics/school portion of the equation. Girls and their families are so much more academic program conscientious than boys that those considerations often outweigh/equal the program, the success, and the opportunity to play early.

Some girls wanted to be the one's that changed a program's mentality, as we were able to find at La Crosse; but some come from a less successful high school program that have been wanting to win for years; so they want immediate success from a team standpoint. I'm sure I'm not telling anyone anything they don't know; I'm just confirming it is probably more prevalent thought then you all may think. It's not always just girls thinking, or being told, "I can play there early."

I agree, from a fan and parity standpoint it would be nice to have an even dispersal of really good players to make everyone a "true" contender.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 01:53:19 pm
Considering academics, for me, in discussing DIII athletics is automatic. Going to school simply to play sports will come back to haunt the athlete and family eventually--I know from personal experience. I also believe that deciding on a school is not a simple formula, and weighing each element against the others is very important. Part of that formula, however, is the coach's pitch. For a 17- or 18-year old, that's potent. It's pretty flattering to have someone court you, and if the woo-er is someone with a successful athletic program, and you want athletics to be part of your college experience, the formula can get unbalanced.

All I'd like to see, I guess, is a more level playing field. I have no idea how that occurs, unless you run recruiting through some series of events that puts everyone interested in a sport in an arena or on a field with all the coaches loitering around the edges--tables set up, hawking the pluses and minuses of their schools and programs--so prospective students can wander around and get a sense of what's available.

Returning to the original discussion: athletes tend not to look at UW-Superior, because it doesn't show up anywhere but hockey. It does, however, have superb academic programs in many areas. I trust the new coach--in fact, all the coaches--is pushing that aspect of the school as well as the opportunity to participate in sports.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 07:12:25 pm
...and to complete the thought: everyone may do everything right--pick the right school for all the right reasons and still come out with a BA in English. Been there, done that. What was I thinking?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on October 21, 2006, 10:33:17 pm
Buf- in answer to what became of some of last year's players. 2 quit and 3 transferred. None of them would have been seniors though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 27, 2006, 11:34:20 pm
 UWO Roster  (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/Roster.html)

Looks a bit thin (11 players) and not much experience.  Some bench players from last year aren't around this year.  I guess Sharpee is supposed to be a good player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinhoops12 on October 30, 2006, 12:54:49 pm
any predictions on the Point vs Wisconsin game?????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2006, 02:07:39 pm
Yes, WISCONSIN. Though I hope Point wins.  Not much of a Lisa Stone fan nor do I like what's happened to the women's program since she's arrived.  They seem to be going backwards.   But I'm enough of a BADGER  fan to hope she can turn things around and I don't pretend to know more than the coaching staff does. 

For whatever reason the 2006 WARHAWK roster isn't posted yet but with only one senior on the team last year, other than the new addiditons, I wouldn't expect it to look a whole lot different this season.

With 14 of our 18 players either freshman or sophomores we had a really young team last year and our play was inconsistant.  At times we would have five freshman on the floor.  Some nights, particularly at home, we looked really good and then others, particularly on the road, we didn't look so good.  But we did beat Point, Eau Claire, Stout and played Oshkosh pretty tough which are things we haven't been able to do in the past.  So, to me, it looks like Coach Carollo and her staff have things headed in the right direction.  With the added benefit of experience we should be very competitive.   Once we can get that winning on the road thing down, look out. ;D

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 30, 2006, 02:26:06 pm
Point vs Wisconsin.......hmmmmmmmmm........the obvious pick here would be to go with the D1 favorite.....but then again who doesn't like to see an underdog win.....tough choice....GO POINT!


as for rosters....

UW-L looks to have another successful year...

UW-SUP looking like they are taking the steps to becoming a step better than last year

UW-O looks like they may struggle although they do have athletes....sharpee was a great high school player but it is going to take some time to get her into a "great" WIAC player, Knapp is always good

UW-P what a recruiting class! Looks like that coaching staff did there homework....I do believe this team will surprise some people

UW Stout- haven't taken the time to look at recruits....

UWSP- making some nice additions to a pretty solid group....looks like they will be seeing some nice things from there senior duo if they stay healthy

UWRF-haven't seen anything yet but they always seem to be a hard one to predict for

UWEC- always a good class....the problem there is usually there isn't a enough jerseys....

UWW- did they get a transfer from UW Madison???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 10:04:14 am
Crazy4 the answer is yes.  Ex-Monroe HS athlete Molly Hendrickson has transferred to WHITEWATER and will play for us this year.  My understanding is that she is a sophomore with freshman eligibility. 

I also have to correct myself regarding the transfer from UW-Milwaukee.  She is eligibile to play this season and will add some size to the team's post players.  From the looks of last night's intrasquad scrimmage we've added some young shooters to this year's team as well. 

Interestingly some of the new talent looks pretty decent and some of the returning younger players off last year's team are showing significant improvement.  In fact, some of last year's starters could find themselves really pressed to retain their positions. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:29:08 pm
unless I heard wrong....isn't her name Kelsey Hendrickson?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:30:21 pm
....how does it work that she is a freshman.....thought she was a transfer?????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 01:23:39 pm
You're probably right about the name, crazy, my bad.   

She is a freshman eligibility wise which suggests that she was not a member of the BADGERS team last year and did not use up one of her eligibilty years.  But I'm not sure what the circumstances were. 

Perhaps all I should have said is that we do have a UW-W transfer named Henrickson and she is playing basketball for the WARHAWKS this year.  That would have been a much safer comment.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2006, 01:53:43 pm
She practiced with the Badgers but did not play.  So, by Division I standards it was a redshirt year.  Division III honors redshirt years taken at D-I or D-II schools (unless a conference explicitly bars it, which the WIAC does not), so she will still have four years to play at Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 31, 2006, 04:02:40 pm
My understanding of DIII *shirt rules--apparently transfers from DI aren't subject to them--are that the only redshirts available are medical; greyshirting dissociates a person from the team--they don't practice with the team but are expected to work out on their own--I suppose with the understanding they'll be in shape for the next season. One would have to be pretty motivated to stick to a work-out regime if one wasn't good enough to make the team in the first place. I suppose there are other reasons for not making a team freshman year, but it has to be an uphill battle under the greyshirting set up.

In the five years to play four, my understanding is that any full-time student status counts in the ten semesters; being out of school for a period of time doesn't count against the athlete. Thus, Brooke Wozniak-Schmidt in Eau Claire played four years of basketball/(two? three?) years track, and two years after the initial four years did a final year in track. I understood she was out of school for a year(?). Thus, she took at least six years to complete her track eligibility.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 05:04:53 pm
Thanks, Bill.  I appreciate the clarification.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on November 01, 2006, 11:02:35 am
What happened to Buttke at UWL??? 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 11:54:39 am
And Ashley Fall at UWL? Wasn't she a junior last year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 01, 2006, 12:41:21 pm
Media day coming up ... anybody want to throw some preseason predictions out?

In regards to Ashley Fall, she decided not to play. She's pretty close to graduating even though she would only have been a junior eligibility-wise.

And you guys are right on with the redshirting rules. Previous NCAA redshirts are honored. I think greyshirts are probably being utilized by the men a lot more than the women. And you're absolutely right, it's very difficult to effectively work out on your own for a year and then come back much improved.

crazy4hoops- good to have you on; crazy's probably right if you're picking point  ;)
I'd wait a little on Platteville's recruiting class, no disrespect but being a WBCA All-Star (which is where I've seen the hype directed) does not necessarily equal greatness. Their staff does work extremely hard and it will be interesting to see how much Wisdom contributes early. They do have a nice transfer PG that no one is talking about. They are closing the gap but it may not necessarily be the "heralded" recruits that close it. Such as Grantman who did a great job last year after coming in under the radar.

WW added some talented kids. Point?

Soooo... after Stout as the favorite, who do you all have next?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 01, 2006, 01:05:59 pm
eaglealum-nice joke...made me chuckle a little bit :D

as for conference predictions....looking at UWO's roster I predict they will not be in the top 4

that would be my only confident prediction at the moment.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 02:50:23 pm
I'll be the first to stick my neck out and let the rest of you take a whack at it:

1.  Stout - Have a very nice senior nucleus.  If Duoss has to do it all herself they won't get far, but they should have the weapons to take some of the pressure off of her.

2.  Stevens Point - Statistically, led the league in a lot of categories, but never beat the turnover bug and never settled into a comfortable rotation.  With everyone being a year older they should be tough.  Watch to see how Webber develops at the PG spot to get an idea of how Point's season will go.

3.  La Crosse - Made big strides last year, and should only get better. Hunter may prove herself to be a conference POY candidate this year.

4.  Eau Claire - Burns and Arciszewski will carry a big load for this team.  No seniors!  Watch out in 2007-08.

5.  Oshkosh - Seems strange having them this low doesn't it?  Played a 6 person rotation last year and I think they will suffer from a lack of quality depth this year.

6.  Platteville - I know people in P-land expect big things this year.  I think it's going to take a little longer for that all to come together, but they are certainly dangerous, especially at home.

7.  Whitewater - They seem to have good talent, but haven't been able to play consistently well for long stretches of the season.  Another dangerous team that could beat you by 20 one night and lose to you by 20 the next.

8.  River Falls - It seems every year I put River Falls towards the bottom of my list, and every year they make me look bad by finishing fourth or fifth.  Oh well, prove me wrong again.

9.  Superior - I wish the new coach all the luck in the world.  I don't know if it's possible to build a consistent winner at Superior, but they certainly can be more competitive then they've been.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 02:57:33 pm
More Rosters

 Stout's Roster  (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbroster.htm)

 WW's Roster  (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.html)

 UWL's Roster  (http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/)

 RF's Roster  (http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/wbb.roster.2007.html)

 UWP Roster  (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0607/roster.html)


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 01, 2006, 03:13:49 pm
No question about UW-Stout, they may go perfect in the WIAC this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 04:25:27 pm
A 'what would you do in this hypothetical situation' question:

You're a coach (any level, doesn't matter); you have a pretty good team of players, several players at each position who can handle it, not much difference between them--not significant. One player tells you he/she won't play unless he/she starts.

What is your response?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 04:57:07 pm
I'd say, "We're really going to miss you.  Good bye."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 05:20:49 pm
For the record, that's my general take on it, too, although I'd suggest a time and day for turning in equipment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 01, 2006, 05:43:35 pm
Re: Badgers vs. Pointers -

Not sure, but how do the rest of you feel about this question??? Is the gap in talent between D1 and D3 greater for the men's teams, or women's teams? The Pointer men, albeit at the top of the heap in D3, were able to play with Marquette.

Not sure that is the case with the Pointer women this year, as far as the Badger game. But, I can't say I know much about the talent level at D1, compared to D3. Is it as big a jump as it is on the men's side?

That being said, I think the Pointer women from 2002 (National champs) and 2004 (4th place team), could give the Badgers a run for the money. They had some special players on those teams - Kari Groshek, Carry Boehning, Andrea Kraemer, Tara Schmitt, Amy Scott, Cassandra Heuer, Cassandra Schultz, Amanda Nechuta... Each was a big-time player in different aspects of the game, and those were great teams...

Not sure the Pointers, though, who will be good again this year, really have that "star" player on the team... Will be interesting to see who the "go-to" player is? Or if it is truly a team effort, by committee, which could make them unpredictable and dangerous from that standpoint?

Anyway, off to Zorn to see the Lady Blugolds' intrasquad game. A young team last year that finished in the middle of the pack has grown up a bit. But then again, so have some of the other teams, who were also young, and ahead of them in the standings. Which team will improve the most over last year??? Makes for another great season forthcoming...
 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 11:00:40 pm
Back from Blu/Gold Game.

Heidi A., by far the best player. 

Good games from Witt and Burns.

The 6'3" transfer made a couple good shots in the 1st half but did not do much in the 2nd.  She's big and strong but doesn't have good movement or agressiveness.

3-point shooting was PATHETIC!!!  Maybe 15%.  More airballs than makes.

Overall, not one of the best performed Blu-Gold games, but these games don't really tell a whole lot about what's in-store for the regular season and can be decieving.

My guess at starting lineup:
Anderson
Burns
Heidi A.
Mueg.
Witt
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 02, 2006, 12:06:46 am
bulk- I firmly believe the D1-D3 gap is bigger in women's; heck not only D1-D3 but D1-D2 or High D1 to Mid-Major D1. Size alone is a huge factor in the women's game since jumping ability is fairly even. If there's a 6-1, 6-2, 6-3 girl with decent skill; they're getting a scholarship more often than not D-1. Then if you go to the perimeter a 5'11 or taller girl that can shoot or handle the ball = scholarship. The WIAC is lucky because their first teamers are scholarship level and in same cases should be D-1 players. It takes players that should be a D1 or D2 to win the WIAC; if you have one that's usually good enough; i.e. Duoss. How much different would recent history be if she hadn't transferred back. Hunter and Heidi A, last year's top frosh, should be going to school for much cheaper than they are.

Looking at Marquette's roster, they have one player under 5'11" huge wings and huge front court. Most men's teams, at least size wise can match up a little better. Heck, tonight the Parkside men (who will be okay this year) went to Milwaukee and beat UWM.

I think the women's game will get to the point where the gap gets closed. Right now I just think the pool of men's players is so much deeper that a really good D-3 has the strength, size, and athleticism gap much smaller than the women do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 02, 2006, 12:39:34 am
Hey buf - Just back from Zorn, too...

The two teams were split into squads of 8 (Gold), with the 7 returnees, and maybe four, or all five starters???

and 9 (White), with three returnees, two transfers and four freshmen. Two potential starters? So, I thought it would be perhaps onesided, but it was tied, or within two, at half, if I remember correctly. But then Golds pulled away for a 60-49 win...

Stats show Heidi Arciszewski and Michelle Burns, both with 18, to lead the Golds. Burns also had 10 boards. Good to see her, and Rachel Mueggenborg, back healthy...

Heather Wiit had 12 points and 8 boards for the Blues...

I'm not sure what the starting lineup will be - Burns, Arciszewski and Ashley Anderson, and Brittani Hakanson. Mueggenborg or Witt? I don't know how it will end up - I really am impressed with Witt - but I think she may be better suited off the bench? She did provide a lot of spark last year, but did show a lot of hustle and leadership tonight...

Guard matchups tonight - Witt and Mueggenborg vs. Arciszewski and Angie Foschi = was fun to watch. They all bring something different to the court, and will provide great depth, no matter who starts...

I think Zenner played a key role off the bench, too. She'd be my sixth, first off the bench.

Not to slight the others, but I'm not sure I can make fair assessments on them based on seeing them just tonight. I liked a little bit of what each of them had to contribute, though. Looks like each one can address a specific area...

I liked the intensity on D on both sides. I also liked the competitiveness between the two teams. Although they ultimately comprise one team, when the ball went up, it was as if there were two different schools out there tonight. Each team wanted to win, and you could see that by how the players treated their "opponents." IE - it wasn't as if a Blue was congratulating a Gold for a great play... They wanted their team to win, and they had their game faces on... if that makes any sense...  ;)

No seniors on this team, so the future looks good... Lot of WIAC teams were young last year, though, so it's going to be a matter of who improved and added the most during the offseason, and who continues to improve during the course of the year...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dark Knight on November 02, 2006, 06:17:49 am
bulk- I firmly believe the D1-D3 gap is bigger in women's; heck not only D1-D3 but D1-D2 or High D1 to Mid-Major D1.
...
Right now I just think the pool of men's players is so much deeper that a really good D-3 has the strength, size, and athleticism gap much smaller than the women do.

You can see the effects of the smaller talent pool even between better and worse teams in D3. According to last year's Massey ratings (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1), the 75th-percentile D3 women's team would be a 19 point favorite over the 25th-percentile team, while for men the difference is 14 points.

The men's team with the highest power rating (Wittenberg) would be a 69-point favorite over lowly Daniel Webster, but last year's Hope team would be a eye-opening 137-point favorite over Mt. Mary, who had results such as a 7-98 loss against Upper Iowa (6-23).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 10:19:07 am
A 'what would you do in this hypothetical situation' question:

You're a coach (any level, doesn't matter); you have a pretty good team of players, several players at each position who can handle it, not much difference between them--not significant. One player tells you he/she won't play unless he/she starts.

What is your response?


If they're good enough to start I tell them, "you will be."

If they're on the bubble I tell them, "you're close but need to do A, B and C to crack the starting lineup.

If I can only see them as a sub I tell them,  "you'll play a substitute role and need to work on A, B and C to see more court time."

If that isn't good enough I tell them, "Stay in school, get your degree and enjoy the intramural program while you're here."


I think a coach owes it to a player to tell them honestly and specifically what they have to get better at if they want more time on the floor.   Then it's up to the player to decide what to do with that information.  Stay and work, stay and be a student or go elsewhere. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 02, 2006, 10:43:57 am
The hypothetical situation pretty clearly is a question of who has power on the team. If the player is obviously better than everyone, he or she wouldn't have to issue ultimatum.  Once the challenge has been made, does it matter if the player is better or worse than others? The set up indicates there is some question about a starting spot, and perhaps there should be on a good team. Each game poses its own set of challenges and different players may be useful for different games. That's why there has to be some sense of who's running the team--coach or players? If players work under the assumption that they are too valuable to lose, the power shifts. Can players be objective about individual game strategies if they're focused on their own importance?

How many times have you seen players in games they shouldn't be in? I'd rather the coach be making bad decisions about that than the players controlling the line-up.

Then, again, maybe the importance of 'starting' could be debated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 11:56:12 am
the preseason rankings are out....
UW Stout and UW L get into the top 25 with UWSP receiving votes.....



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:06:00 pm
Great early test at a tip-off tournament for Eau Claire.  They get #9 Baldwin-Wallace in the first game, and then a potential match against #4, and defending national champion, Hope in the second game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:15:13 pm
Previews for tonight's exhibiton game:

From UWSP:
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006-07/wbboct31notes.pdf

From UW:
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/wbb/headlines/story.html?sportid=135&storyid=9578

You'll notice UW simply pulled all their UWSP info word-for-word from the UWSP preview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 02, 2006, 01:27:51 pm
back to the pre-season picks...what are the feelings out there??
Also anyword on the media day outcomes....it should be interesting to see if the WIAC pre-seasons are similair (Stout, LaX, SP)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 01:59:16 pm
back to the pre-season picks...what are the feelings out there??
Also anyword on the media day outcomes....it should be interesting to see if the WIAC pre-seasons are similair (Stout, LaX, SP)



Media day is today. 

I just don't know the women's teams well enough to rank them intelligently.  Anyway, I always pick WHITEWATERlol
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 02:17:01 pm
preseason picks or educated guesses as we can call them  ;)....

1. Stout/UWSP I predict a season split with a showdown in conference tourney

2. UWL

3. UWW (I hate to say it but i believe they are a top 4 team talent wise...as for them executing it....that will be another story

4. UWEC-well coached always decent no matter who they have

5. UWP-I agree this one will take a while to build with the newcomers

6. UWRF

7. UWO ( I know I will get grief for this one)

8. UWSUP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 02:34:52 pm
I think Whitewater and Platteville are the two real mysteries.  You could slot them anywhere from 4th to 8th and make a reasonable argument why you put them there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on November 02, 2006, 02:40:08 pm
Conference picks

1. Stout - loaded, strong senior leadership and have both the post and perimeter game

2.  UWL - should be even stronger than last year

UWL and Stout should be in the top tier.  Stout should win their 3rd Championship in a row.  I think it will be a big year for Stout.   The next tier of teams...........

3.  UWSP/UWW/UWRF/UWEC  - toss up.  Depends on if they can upset Stout or UWL and not lose agaist a team on the bottom of the conference.  UWRF is a veteran team, with solid guard and post play.  UWW and UWEC have solid JR/Soph classes and if their newcomers can contribute will be a factor.  UWSP, replacing Schultz will be huge and getting a true point guard.  

7.  UWO - only 10/11 players, wow.  The end of the season and their conditioning should play a huge factor.  They always seem to start strong, but start a downward slide in mid January.  

8.  UWP -  ??

9. UWSUP - hopefully the new coach can get them some wins and move the program forward.  


I think UWRF is the dark horse in the conference.  They are much better than they are given credit for.  UWW could end up third, or could even fall to 7th ir 8th.  It is too bad Baker cold never be fully healthy for them. 



Conference Champion - Stout
Tournament Champion - Stout (beating UWL in a tough game)
POY - Duoss

NCAA tournament reps - UWL, Stout  Finally get 2 teams in!!!




Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 04:50:32 pm
WIAC Women's Basketball Preview and Preseason Poll

http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/0607prev.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 08:47:12 pm
D-III UW-Stevens Point leads Wisconsin at halftime 34-32.  Point led by as much as 13 in the first half.

Live Scoring: http://www.uwbadgers.com/live/wbb/quick.htm

Video Stream: http://www.uwbadgers.com/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 09:56:20 pm
Badgers pull away in second half for a 77-58 win.  UWSP represented the league well.  Haley Houghton led Point with 21 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 10:38:13 pm
wow...i guess my pick wasn't too off tonight....Point gave the fans hope but the Badgers eventually showed why they are a D1 team.....my guess is if Lechault wouldn't have picked up two quick ones in teh second it might have been a closer second half....oh well...WIAC was represented well tonight!

props to Coach Egner and her staff....the Pointers were prepared and ready to go right from the start ;D there is a lot of season to go.....can't wait to see what happens!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on November 11, 2006, 06:20:50 pm
Anybody home ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 12, 2006, 03:29:27 pm
Yea
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 12:04:10 am
I'll try to stay away from making conference selections (don't want to throw in any bias). I did want to make a few "observations" on the SID's poll and other's predictions.

- River Falls, both in the SID's, and with the people, is way underrated. They only lost one player, Biteler, who was an important piece, but according to the website, Chantelle Melgaard is back after taking off last season. She averaged 8.6 as a junior two years ago and is a tough guard. Traci Reimann might be the most underrated player in the league, averaging a double-double last year. She got injured down the stretch and missed a couple huge games late that may have cost them a home game in the first round. They have great size besides with Lindman and Preiner and Cordes on the perimeter can also shoot it.

They can stretch the defense cause they shoot so many threes but their best player is a really good post who can score all day 1-on-1. Against Stout and Duoss she had 27 one night and 13 and 13 the next.

Plus they play a 2-3 zone which no one else really plays. They make you do something different to prepare for them. Plus for some reason their gym is tough to play in;6-2 in the league at home last year.

- La Crosse being pick fourth in the SID poll is puzzling. Return all five starters; lose no one (who wasn't injured) from a team that finished ahead of Eau Claire. Correct me if I'm wrong but Becker and Van Drasek are gone right? None of the kids they added are as good now, as the two they lost. I understand they were young last year; so was La Crosse and half the rest of the league. Don't get me wrong I think Eau Claire is very good; I would probably have them 3rd behind Stout and LX, but how they leapfrog La Crosse is weird. And, yeah, I know predictions don't matter, it's still makes me think peoplebelieve last year was a fluke with the Eagles.

La Crosse does get back Lindsay Wahl, a 6'1 post who averaged 6 and 5 as a freshman. She missed all of last year along with Koss.  La Crosse has lost one key bench player in the preseason to knee injury. Snakebitten with knee injuries a little bit.

- Which brings me to Stout. They are definitely the odds on favorites. I don't think they'll run the table, but I do think there are only about 3 or 4 teams that can beat them. But one thing that goes overlooked and is a huge part of their success. They don't lose games to injury, ever. Last year they played 30 games; 9 of their players played in 30; Duoss 29 with one wedding, and Amanda Geissler had 28. Two years ago they played 31 games it looks like Oelkers missed five, that's it, and I think Boese had an injury as a freshman that had her sit out, whether she would have been a factor, not sure. Either way, Amazing. So it looks like they've had about 7 games missed for their key players.

Eau Claire lost Burns and Muggenborg; Point had Schultz, Neuenfeldt and Kranz miss a game or two (including the day Stout crushed them); Oshkosh had O'Keefe sick for a couple and Eggers played a few minutes somewhere and had to leave sick (although they were relatively healthy); La Crosse lost Koss, Wahl, and then Stachula for the playoffs; River Falls lost Reimann and Melgaard; Whitewater lost Baker.

Point is, Stout has done a great job staying healthy. Wish I knew the secret. A lot has to do with how many kids they play and how their best players aren't playing 35-40 minutes. Maybe that's enough to convince other teams to trust some of their depth to stay healthy. Not taking away anything from Stout's talent, but we saw last year at Point what happens when one of the horses is out.
That's already too much, I'll shut up. But yeah titan, we're here
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 14, 2006, 09:01:54 am
Since you mentioned Stachula, I see her name isn't on this year's roster.  Any idea why?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 11:11:48 am
Since you mentioned Stachula, I see her name isn't on this year's roster.  Any idea why?

Torn knee in preseason
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:06:45 pm
Anyone know who UW-O scrimmaged? Did anyone see one of their scrimmages? I know they have a thin roster this season, but I'm just curious to know if anyone has actually seen them yet this season.......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 10:39:22 pm
They are gonna struggle. No I haven't seen them but if there's anyone on the predicitions who is too high, it's Oshkosh. Knapp is a nice player and Tyriver was a great role player who, I have no doubt, will elevate her game; she has to. But the rest of the roster is inexperienced and their freshman group is okay but may not have an impact kid that can come in and score 8 or so a game. In the WIAC two good players is not enough, especially when the other 7, sans Superior, all probably have more talent. They are going to have to coach them up; big time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:43:25 pm
Thanks EagleAlum. I was looking up their JUCO transfer LaBonte and it's very obvious (to most) that the JUCO ranks are quite different from the WIAC. I thought maybe she'd pick up some of the scoring load, but she's definitely going to have to adjust to the physicality and athleticism in this league. Strange to hear UW-O associated with the word "struggle."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on November 15, 2006, 12:19:42 pm
Hey, i hear that Brooke H. from UWEC is not playing anymore, i dont really no the reason but i heard it was legitimate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2006, 09:08:41 pm
Hey, i hear that Brooke H. from UWEC is not playing anymore, i dont really no the reason but i heard it was legitimate.

If in fact she did quit, it may have something to do with a medical condition.  Last year she sat out a few games with a medical condition that made her feel tired, according to the local newspaper.  If she is gone, thats one less 3-point shooter for EC.  She was one of the better 3-point shooters last year.  EC is really desperate for good perimeter shoooting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2006, 10:17:37 pm
Brooke Hakanson played in the Blugolds' intrasquad game on Nov. 1, and is on the roster...

If indeed it is true she won't be back, it would be a very recent development...We will find out this weekend...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 15, 2006, 11:42:20 pm
Come to find out she left because of academic decisions.....transferring I heard?

Talked with some Titans...they scrimmaged Cardinal Stritch...got beat pretty badly, along with some Titan Alum and were beat again.  Knapp and another were sat most the entire scrimmage after Schumacher supposedly unloaded on them for their play.

Sounds as if UWO will not be able to replace Eggers, O'Keefe, Herrick, and Fehring....senior leadership is gone along with about 80% scoring....when your next person back averages under 10 a game you are not going to win many games.  I see them finishing 6th or 7th with Superior maybe gaining their first win on account of the Titans
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 16, 2006, 12:29:05 pm
that is too bad about Oshkosh but everyone has to come down sometime...I am sure they won't stay down too long...too much tradition....

looks like a lot of good games this weekend. quite a few in region games for many WIAC schools...Point/Lawrence, Stout/Benedictine, Oshkosh at Lake Forest Tourney....should bring for some interesting scores come Sunday morning...

any predictions on games???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2006, 08:48:44 pm
My opening weekend predictions (please no wagering, especially with my track record):

EC loses to Baldwin-Wallace but beats Davenport
OSH beats Augustana and pulls out a close one over Lake Forest
PLT beats Ripon and Clarke, but SUP only beats Clarke
SP beats Lawrence and St. Scholastica
ST beats Benedictine and Carroll
WW loses to Wilmington but beats St. Mary's, Ind.
LC knocks off Winona St.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 03:03:13 pm
My opening weekend predictions (please no wagering, especially with my track record):

EC loses to Baldwin-Wallace but beats Davenport
OSH beats Augustana and pulls out a close one over Lake Forest
PLT beats Ripon and Clarke, but SUP only beats Clarke
SP beats Lawrence and St. Scholastica
ST beats Benedictine and Carroll
WW loses to Wilmington but beats St. Mary's, Ind.
LC knocks off Winona St.

I would have to agree with those predictions, but I HOPE that EC wins tonight to set up a battle against HOPE tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 17, 2006, 03:09:14 pm
What a shot in the arm it would be to that Blugold squad if they could knock off two ranked teams on opening weekend.  Heck, even one win and a "good" loss against those two would be a confidence builder.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 07:03:36 pm
What a shot in the arm it would be to that Blugold squad if they could knock off two ranked teams on opening weekend.  Heck, even one win and a "good" loss against those two would be a confidence builder.

It looks like they won't get that shot.  Its BW 39 EC 18 early in the 2nd Half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 08:10:11 pm
EC made a run to cut it to 12 with 7min left but eventually falls 68-50.  Played a lot better in the 2nd half.  Got outrebouded 52-30.  Burns led the way with 21pts and 8rebs but no help.

In other action:

Stout hammers Benedictine.  Of course Duoss leads the way,

UWO leading Augustana at the half 39-19.  Knapp the top scorer and newcomer Sharpee playing well.  Don't count Titans out yet.  Augustana has 21 turnovers at the half.

UWW blows 9 point lead with 8min to go and loses to Wilmington.  Tiffany Morton led the way for WW with 12pts and 12rebs in 20min of action.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 17, 2006, 09:30:06 pm
wow...surprised to see Oshkosh doing so well....I guess predictions sometimes turn into poo....

Surprised to see WW fall....

Stout no surprise....

Point beating Lawrence by 10 late in second half....20+ turnovers it looks like.....ouch...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 10:40:23 am
Not trying to toot my own horn, but I believe I got every Friday night game correct!  Toot, toot!

Don't put too much stock into Oshkosh yet.  Augustana was a distant last in the CCIW last year, and likely wil be again.  I was impressed that Whitewater hung tough with Wilmington.  Wilmington is only two years removed from a national title and will likely be in the tournament again.  As for Point, same old story.  Hot shooting, good defense, but if they can't trim the turnovers they will have problems against the good teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 18, 2006, 06:20:13 pm
EC wins by 7.  No details

UWO leads by 10 at the half, but gets blown out in the 2nd half as they lose by 15.  Knapp, Tyriver and Sharpee lead the way.  I expect these 3 to lead the way pretty much every game.

Point leads 42-12 in the 2nd Half over Viterbo, which is only 5-33 from the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 08:18:33 pm
UW-L trails D-II Winona State 56-52 with 7:36 to go.

Platte. beat Ripon 88-77.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2006, 08:22:11 pm
As buf reported, UWEC 72-65 over Davenport...

Keys to the Blugold win were torrid shooting percentage in the second half, and rebounding. Held a 51-36 edge on the glass. Both were improvements over last night's efforts, a 68-50 loss to Baldwin-Wallace...

Game was weird - Davenport jumped out early, had a 22-10 lead. Thought, here we go again. Seems like the 'Golds got behind a lot last year, too, and were unable to dig out of the first half holes they created. But then 'Golds went on a run and closed to within 1, at 22-21. Davenport then went on an 18-run the last 6 minutes or so of the half, to go into the locker room up 40-21. Panthers were not afraid to shoot the three, either, hitting five in the first half.

In the second half, down 59-44, 'the Golds went on a 20-0 run, to take a 64-59 lead, then held on the last four minutes.

Michelle Burns had 14 points and 12 rebounds. Heidi Arciszewski's 18 points were tops, and she chipped in 10 boards, too. Other key stats were the 'Golds only having 13 turnovers, and making 14-16 from the free throw line.

But the stats of the day belong to Erin Voelker, who was a spark off the bench in the second half. She had 10 points in just 9 minutes of play... She and another transfer, Missy Fremstad, who starts, will be key contributors to this team's success this year, I do believe...

Thanks to Sports Radio 1400 for broadcasting these games from Michigan...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 19, 2006, 12:50:53 am
Not trying to toot my own horn, but I believe I got every Friday night game correct!  Toot, toot!

Don't put too much stock into Oshkosh yet.  Augustana was a distant last in the CCIW last year, and likely wil be again.  I was impressed that Whitewater hung tough with Wilmington.  Wilmington is only two years removed from a national title and will likely be in the tournament again.  As for Point, same old story.  Hot shooting, good defense, but if they can't trim the turnovers they will have problems against the good teams.


Augustana is a very inexperienced squad, but I wouldn't put a prediction on them yet. Their new coach has been able to get programs going in the right direction. UW-O played ok. It was obvious it was the first game for both however. Knapp, Tyriver, and Sharpee played decently, but I don't know if they'll be able to hang in the WIAC. Hebl is going to be a nice player for them with the more experience she gets and that's going to be key for them as the season progresses. Saw some bright spots today as well and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 19, 2006, 12:54:34 pm
The only pick I missed this weekend was UW-L over Winona State.  Vegas, here I come!

Not surprised by Oshkosh losing to Lake Forest, but definitely surprised by how they lost.  This is not the Oshkosh team I am familiar with.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 08:14:02 pm
UW-Stevens Point gets WLC on the road tomorrow night. Sounds like a stiff test for the Warriors. Have to put my heart above my head, and say the Warriors end up losing by at least 15.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2006, 11:01:27 am
The WARHAWKS scored first and were tied only once at 12-12 before going on an 18-5 run and leading Edgewood by 22, 47-25 at half.  The final was 83-65.  Mary Donohoo paced the team with 13 points while Lyndsey Buechner had a nice stat line with 12 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 17 minutes.   WW dominated the boards with 26 offensive rebounds.  The spread would have been worse but Edgewood was 28/32 from the free throw line.

Edgewood dressed eight players and two only played for 3 minutes apiece.  Megan Scheele played well for them.  She has really good footwork around the basket and ended up with 34 points.   

Halfway through the NBA-like schedule of 6 games in 9 days theWARHAWK women are 2-1. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:12:09 am
UW-Stevens Point gets WLC on the road tomorrow night. Sounds like a stiff test for the Warriors. Have to put my heart above my head, and say the Warriors end up losing by at least 15.  ;)

Your heart picked UWSP by 15.  My God, what would your head say, UWSP by 40?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 12:27:12 pm
You WIAC schools have had WLC's number. UW-Eau Claire blew the Warriors out in NCAA in 2003, and UW-Oshkosh did likewise in NCAA in 2000. (And that WLC team had Sara Zondag, who hails from that in-state basketball hotbed known as Randolph, WI on it).

A 40-point differential in your favor wouldn't surprise me, just on Point's all-around size advantage alone.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 21, 2006, 04:24:10 pm
yeah I would expect a very large margin of win for the Pointers.....Although isn't WLC improved from last year?

I could be way off on this one....

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2006, 04:43:48 pm
Nobody is questioning that Oshkosh will be restocking this season.

Remember, Coach Ruder didn't bother even trying to recruit her last year, because many of us believe that she knew she was going, and didn't bother wasting time to recruit when she was going to leave anyway.

So this is really Oshkosh's first recruiting class, seeing Schumacher was hired in August, and lost valuable time.

What will be interesting with the Titans, is to see how they do in the conference tourney. I remember the men's team three years ago was extremely young, and surprised Whitewater in the first round.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 05:20:25 pm
yeah I would expect a very large margin of win for the Pointers.....Although isn't WLC improved from last year?

I could be way off on this one....


  ;)

Kami Ten Pas is back and at full strength and several sophomores are poised to make more noise, but I'm giving the Pointers their due because given Stevens Points' height advantage all around, unless WLC has an incredibly good night shooting, the Pointers win going away. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:18:12 pm
UWEC wins 63-55 (I think) over St. Norberts.  EC looked really bad in the 1st half with the exception of Burns, however St Norberts also looked pretty bad, committing a whole bunch of turnovers.  The halftime score was 25-20 St. N. 

EC had a lot more energy in the 2nd as both teams played better.  EC had a good 1st 10min when they broke out to a 6 point lead.  St Norberts took the lead back around the 5min mark, but EC played well down the stretch to pull out the victory.

EC still needs to improve quite a bit if they want to improve over last years record.  They really miss Becker's ball handling and penetration.  Also need someone to hit 3-pointers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 10:27:19 pm
Tuesday scores:

Eau Claire 63, St. Norbert 55
La Crosse 63, Viterbo 44
Ripon 66, Oshkosh 63 (OUCH!)
Stevens Point 99, Wis. Lutheran 64
Stout 89, Northwestern (Minn.) 45
River Falls 76, Hamline 51
Northland at Superior (No report and it was a 5:00 start?)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:44:49 pm
River Falls wins big over Hamline.


An interesting comparison:

Superior loses by one at Ripon this past weekend.  UWO loses to Ripon by 3 at home tonight.

I think this shows how deep the WIAC will be this year.  From top to bottom this could be one of the best years for the conference.  Surprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:05:10 pm
While UWO is down their former coach is up...

Pam Ruder's Southwestern (Tex.) squad upsets #7 Hardin-Simmons 66-64 in OT tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 21, 2006, 11:18:34 pm
Superior women beat Northland College by ten or thereabouts. Missed most of the game. Stout plays at Northland on Sunday. Could be ugly. Superior men snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 21, 2006, 11:40:17 pm
As buf noted, Blugolds win... Had to grind it out...

Michelle Burns led the way with 21 points, most inside the paint, and nine boards. She had half of the 'Golds' points at halftime (10), as they trailed 25-20. Rachel Mueggenborg had 6 in the first half to help keep the 'Golds in it...

Brittanni Hakanson had some clutch plays, doing a little bit of everything, in the final four minutes, when the game was a one-point difference... She had free throws, boards, an assist, a hoop or two, and took a charge, too.

Heidi Arciszewski had a quiet 13; they seemed to shut her down, frustrating her. But she did have a nice 5-point run when the 'Golds were leading 54-53, to basically put it out of reach at 59-53.
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 07:13:45 am
Tuesday scores:

Eau Claire 63, St. Norbert 55
La Crosse 63, Viterbo 44
Ripon 66, Oshkosh 63 (OUCH!)
Stevens Point 99, Wis. Lutheran 64
Stout 89, Northwestern (Minn.) 45
River Falls 76, Hamline 51
Northland at Superior (No report and it was a 5:00 start?)


Heard the Pointers shot 61% for the game in their win last night! When it goes good, it really goes good. . .  :o ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 22, 2006, 08:59:15 am
  Surprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.

buf, based on the past few years you might want to make that 3 traditional powers, or 4 actually. Hard to leave out Point. ;)

From what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 22, 2006, 11:24:42 am
Looks like Oshkosh will have a down year now that their studs have left.  Sure maybe Ruder didnt recruit after she left but would you?  She left that summer to go to another program that needed her help, she knew UWO would be solid for a year after she left and Schoonover did most the recruiting anyway.  The real problem Terri has now is that Schoonover has since moved on (Coaching golf at Stout) so she has to learn to actually recruit on her own, not rely so much on Kris.

As for around the league....no surprises with LAX beating up on Viterbo or Stout or Point dominating.  Questions still in the air for EC.  Can someone actually step up and LEAD this team since there are no seniors?  Sure they have the players to win but to get far or win the WIAC thats another question.

We shall see how they do come the 29th when they face Stout and UWO takes on Point

EC comes with the upset (they are at Zorn which helps) and Point crushes Oshkosh on that night!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 22, 2006, 12:09:05 pm
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From what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.

OH...Awesome!!


Not.  :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2006, 02:08:30 pm
  Surprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.

buf, based on the past few years you might want to make that 3 traditional powers, or 4 actually. Hard to leave out Point. ;)

From what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.

I was thinking more in the 90s when EC and UWO would continually meet in the Elite 8.  Stout and Point have definately been at or near the top the last few years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on November 22, 2006, 02:33:29 pm
Got to watch part of the Stout game last night w/BDB.  Very impressed with the recruits added to an already good team.   The competition wasn't much but barring injury this has the makings of a VERY solid squad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2006, 11:30:59 pm
The WARHAWKS defeat Millikin 80-75.  WW came out hot and built a 18 point lead, 28-10, in the first 11 minutes of play as Millikin struggled to find the basket.  The half ended with WW comfortably in control 41-27.  But it was Millikin who came out hot in the second half and the WARHAWKS lost their shooting touch.  Gradually the lead dwindled as everything Millikin threw up dropped (68% for the half) and with 5 1/2 minutes remaining Millikin took their first lead 64-63 on a pair of free throws.  After the lead grew to 4 points, 67-63, WW rallied back to gain the lead 72-71 and made a three pointer, an inside basket and 3 of 4 free throws down the stretch to preserve it.

Lindsey Buecher led the way with 16 points and Heidi Sonntag added 13.  WW improves to 3-1. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2006, 01:47:48 am
Two things:

1) "Stout may have their best team ever."

Does that mean talent-wise, or did they move their roster up to 40 from the usual 30?

2) (Schumacher) will have to "learn to recruit on her own."

What does that mean? Its her second season, and she was hired in August last year. She wasn't able to recruit last year. She got some good kids this year. Had an injury of another. From her days in HS and WBCA President, she knows EVERYONE. And anyone that knows her knows she's a great coach. She'll recruit just fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 24, 2006, 10:51:42 am
I agree on this one...Schumacher has too much of a name in the state not to be able to recruit good kids


so who have been the big impact players so far? are the transfers really making big differences on their teams?

I am also curious as to how Stout is a "solid squad" is it the large roster....or because this year so far they are averaging 18 TO's as opposed to last years 20....I don't think any team 3 games into the season is going to be solid by any means.....do they have potential....obviously.....but solid is a stretch for any team at this time in the season
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 05:36:26 pm
so who have been the big impact players so far? are the transfers really making big differences on their teams?

Stout seems to have a good newcomer in Hirrsig?
UWO has Sharpee
Point has Webber (transfer)

Houselog and Fremstad have logged some decent minutes for UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 07:57:25 pm
UWO wins over #5 ranked Wheaton by about 20

Point wins by about 15 over North Central

A couple good wins for the WIAC over the CCIW!!!


Whats up with UWO?  They lose 2 against the MWC but destroy 2 CCIW teams.  Good win for them tonight
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 11:15:49 pm
Ec wins tonight by about 10 over a pretty decent Otterbein team.  Golds played really well the first 30min or so, the last 10min were pretty sloppy.  What a performance from Missy Fremstad.  She was all over the court, shooting well, rebounding and hustling.  EC actually made some 3s tonight.  What a difference it makes when you can knock down a few from the outside.

Morningside looked tough, absolutely destroying Viterbo.  It should be a tough but good game for the Golds tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 25, 2006, 02:17:15 am
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Whats up with UWO?  They lose 2 against the MWC but destroy 2 CCIW teams.  Good win for them tonight 

First off, one of the worse calls I have ever seen while watching a basketball game ruined the Ripon game for Oshkosh. How can you call a shooting foul by half court? Who does that? And no...she wasn't shooting the ball, because she threw a baseball pass...to her teammate!

So that chance of coming from behind and beating Ripon fell through.

Tonight, Oshkosh came out fearless and attacked Wheaton. Holy Cow did the Thunder look lethargic and slow. That's what surprised me the most, is how slow Wheaton is as a team. Every player on the court for Oshkosh was faster than their defender and it showed.

It looked like in the second half, Wheaton finally woke up, and was coming back to trim a once 20 point lead, to 8. But Oshkosh kept pulling off mini 5 point runs and the Thunder just couldn't answer back.

Kayla Sharpee reminds me a whole lot of Brittney Herrick. Strong, athletic, and a shooting touch. Along with Arin Lane (6'2"), who needs stronger hands, Oshkosh has a pretty good 1-2 punch down low. We'll see how they do offensively in the WIAC, but they won't be push overs on defense.

Which brings tonights match up again. Wheaton had Jill Trenz, whose a preaseason All-American center, as a good test for another center that the Titans will have to deal with, Ms. Duoss in Stout.

I think the combination of Tyriver and Sharpee can take care of Duoss. But Duoss is not how Stout beats you. Instead, they throw about 14 girls at you, and run you to death.

Even though everyone knows this is a restocking year for Oshkosh, I think tonight is the type of game this unit needed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 07:52:38 pm
UWO defeats North Central 67-56, shooting 58% from the field.  Tyriver and Sharpee were a combined 16-22 from the field.

UWSP whips Wheaton 71-44 despite a poor shooting 1st half.  UWSP shot well from the FT line and pounded the boards.

WIAC sweeps the 4-game series!!  :)


What has happened to preseason ranked #5 Wheaton?  A team that only lost 5 games last year and returns 4 of 5 starters this season.  They have already lost 3 times (almost 4) this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 11:24:52 pm
Golds play another good game tonight to defeat Morningside College.  Three good performances by Burns, Heidi Arc, and Fremstad, who all made the "all-tournament team."  EC took the lead late in the 1st half and held it to the end of the game.

Only 4 more days until conference starts.  Two big games: Stout vs EC and Point vs UWO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2006, 06:13:53 pm
WHITEWATER beat Luther convincingly on Saturday afternoon.  The final was 82-59.   After WW built a twelve point lead in the first eight minutes on an upbeat tempo and the strong inside play of Tiffany Morton and Emily Peters the Norse were able to close the gap and trailed by only three at the half 42-39.  But WW dominated the second stanza quickly building the lead back to double digits behind two quick baskets by Morton and Thrisa Thrill's three-pointer and layup.  The lead balloned after that as the WARHAWKS shot nearly 58% from the floor for the half.  Morton took scoring honors with 15 points.  She also had 7 rebounds.  Peters added 12 points and Rachel Woolever 10. 

The win improves WW to 4-1 with a rare Sunday afternoon, parent's day matchup with the University of Chicago today.   Not sure how that one turned out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 26, 2006, 07:02:31 pm
An important note about Wheaton.  They were missing two starters due to injury this weekend, so I don't think their performance this weekend was indicitive of the kind of team they are.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2006, 11:13:29 pm
Chicago defeated WW by about 10pts this afternoon.

Stout won handily over Northland

Lax loses to Simpson at home by 4.  Simpson is a good team that Stout beat last year in the 2nd round of the national tourney.

RF beats St Thomas
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 29, 2006, 11:28:00 am
Tonight's games should be a preview of what the WIAC has to offer for us this season.  Stout at EC, Whitewater at LAX, Oshkosh at Point, Superior at RF.

Previews for tonights games:  I'm just putting them out there so hopefully I will be right once scores are all completed tonight.

If EC can find ANYONE to shut down Duoss....I mean hold her under 20 they will do a good job.  Geissler is shooting 1-18 behind "3" so if she gets hot look out, but so far through the season things aren't looking too good for her.  Stout has some Freshman that could have big games possibly, but Zorn arena may prove a bit overwhelming this early for them in the season.  EC needs to have Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson all have big games along with another surprise from either Zenner, Muggenburg, or Fremsted.  Should be a good game, but in end its really the Duoss Variable that controls this game.                 Stout by 8

Oshkosh has had some good games so far this season but has yet to really be tested on the road.  Point will do very well against an inexperienced Oshkosh team and playing on the road you can really see the flaws come out.  Point by 15

Whitewater has come on late with the addition of some transfers, and LAX is struggling just getting a "W" and since homecourt seems to never matter there or not this game is a toss up.  Hopefully Hunter has a good game for LAX, they need her to step up and lead.  LAX by 5

River Falls has an experienced team compared to Superior although Superior has added some decent new faces to this team.  The traveling down to RF may prove a little challenging on the Yellowjackets.......RF by 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 12:27:26 pm
My picks....

This will be a good game but I see Stout by 10 in the end

I don't think Oshkosh has enough players that can stay with the experienced Pointers...Point by 20+

WW has the tendancy to play bad on the road but I don't see them getting blown out.....LaX by 1 or 2....

RF has always seemed like a tough place to play  but I think Superior is excited with a new coach and a new future....I don't see them winning....but it isn't a blow out either.....RF by 5

Looks like some good match ups right off the bat!

Congrats to Stout and Point for moving up in the top 25!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 02:38:00 pm
crazy4hoops and wiac482002

Interesting thoughts/comments on tonight's games... Yep, the schedule has some great matchups for the WIAC openers, but then again, the way things shake out in this conference, you never know what's going to happen on any given night. That's what's exciting/great about this league...

Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...

Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....

Lots of ifs and cliches here, but...  ;)

I'm hoping for a packed Zorn arena tonight, a good game, and a 'Golds upset...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 02:41:58 pm
Good thoughts and predictions, all of you.  Most of my reasons for my picks are the same as yours above, so I'll just give the short version:

Stout by 10
Point by 15
La Crosse by 7
River Falls by 12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:18:40 pm
In case you are interested, you can get the radio broadcast and live stats for SP/OSH over the web at UWSP's website.

Pointers lead 27-12 at halftime.

Neuenfeldt leads Point with 8, Abitz has 5 for Oshkosh.

Point shooting 46%, Oshkosh shooting 15%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:53:18 pm
Thanks for the updates on the Point/Osh game.....sounds like Oshkosh goes final 8:17 of the half with out scoring.......and yet they are only losing by 15 thanks to 10 TO"s by Point......let's hope that stat changes in the second half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:56:14 pm
UWSP broadcaster just said EC leads Stout 25-17 at half.  Going to EC site to check...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:56:45 pm
LAX over WW 27-23
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:02:44 pm
UWSP broadcaster just said EC leads Stout 25-17 at half.  Going to EC site to check...

Confirmed.  Sounds like neither team can buy a bucket.  EC has made more free throws.  Second half underway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:24:47 pm
EC leads Stout 45-25!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:35:48 pm
GO EC!!!!!

Osh starting to cut the lead.....43-32....

anyone heard on RF/SUP game?


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:43:07 pm
RF over SUP by 42??? is that what i heard?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:46:05 pm
Point pushes the lead back to 15 with 2:15 to go.

EC was up 18 on Stout with about 3 minutes to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:49:54 pm
EC finishes off Stout 59-44.  Big win for the Blugolds!

Point downs Oshkosh 57-41.  Neuenfeldt leads Point with 13, Heuer adds 10. Kranz would get a double-double if this was horsehoes or hand grenades with 9 pts and 9 rebs.  For the Titans, Abitz socres 14 on 6-6 shooting, Tyriver scores 12, but only two field goals.  Didn't sound like a work of art, but Pointers finish it off.

Area of concern: Pointers shoot a Shaquille-like 46% from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:50:17 pm
La Crosse leads WW by 3 with 45 seconds left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:51:41 pm
LaX by 2 with 14 seconds left. WW ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 10:01:39 pm
La Crosse gets a big opening win against WW, 65-61. Looking at the live stats, Buechner had a shot to tie it with 11 seconds left but missed.

Teams combine for 51 turnovers (28 for WW). Searing with 21 and 11 boards for La Crosse, Hunter had 16.  Thill leads Whitewater with 16. WW got to the line 30 times.

What a way to start it. Great win for Eau Claire. It's pretty customary of Stout to go 5-3 the first time around and then run a streak together the second trip; I don't think anyone thought that would be the case this year. Interesting. Tell these coaches they have to do this 15 more times.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 10:01:49 pm
RF flattens Superior 75-33.

Funny way the schedule works out, all four of tonight's winners play each other on Saturday.  So, we will be down to just two undefeated teams after only two WIAC games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 10:19:22 pm
What a game for EC at Zorn.

First half starts out with Burns, Heidi A, and Duoss all picking up a quick 1st foul.  Both teams really struggle offensively (it was something like 7-7 with 10min left in the half).  Trailing 17-13 with about 5min left in the half, EC goes on a huge 12-0 run to end the half.  EC picks right up where they left off in the 1st half and Stout never really gets close in the 2nd half.  EC led by 20 or so points most of the 2nd half.  Stout had only 30pts with 5min left in the game.

Fremstad gets MVP for tonight, shredding the Stout press.  For the 1st time in years, Stout didn't press EC last year because of Becker.  They tried pressing EC again this year, but with no success (because of Fremstad).

EC did an excellent job on Duoss.  Great job of collapsing, causing Duoss to shoot tough shots.  Duoss didn't play a whole lot.  I don't know if Thomas was upset with her play or not?  Anyway she looked mentally frustrated in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on November 29, 2006, 10:21:18 pm
Point wins a sloppy, sloppy game. It's sad to see the rivalry squashed as Oshkosh is half the power they used to be. Point plays pretty good D until they appear to be coasting and Oshkosh puts some good runs together. Point should win this one by 40 but finishes it 57-41.

Big win for EC taking down UW-Canada at the Zorn. (I can hear the Vikings horn sound from the Metrodome echoing thru the streets of EC now)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 10:52:32 pm
Yep, it's a final from Zorn: 59 - 44, Blugolds over Stout.

As buf notes, and I agree, Missy Fremstad gets the MVP vote for tonight. Welcome to WIAC play. She had a hell of a game, things that won't show up in the box score...

Not only did Fremstad render the press ineffective, she had only two turnovers the whole night, while quarterbacking the offensive quite well. Everything started and ran through her, and she did a great job. I, however, was far more impressed with the intensity, quickness and hustle she brought to the defensive end. She was frustrating everyone who had the ball who came near her, and was in every scrum for loose balls...

Erin Voelker, another transfer, was able to provide some size and depth off the bench, too, which will allow the 'Golds to have an extra presence and some additional fouls to give at that position as the season continues on... Ashley Anderson was back in uniform too, having missed a few games recently...

Shot of the day goes to Angie Foschi, who came in cold, for her first appearance of the night. With about four seconds left on the shot clock, she promptly drained a 3 at the buzzer on her first touch of the ball all night...Put the 'Golds up by 20 with 9 left in the game...

Key moment of the game - 'Golds tie it at 17 in the first half, then used a time out after an offensive turnover to settle things down, set the D and keep any momentum out of the Stout lockerroom at half. Golds went on an 8-0 run to close out the half and never looked back the rest of the game...

Kept waiting for a Stout run the second half. Never came. And the 'Golds showed no signs of choking, either...

Stats leaders - Kelsey Duoss had 9 to lead the Blue Devils. Dani Boese had 7 boards. Blugolds had balanced scoring - Michelle Burns 13, Heidi Arciszewski 12 and Brittanni Hakanson chipped in 10. Amanda Zenner and Burns each had 8 boards...

Three point shooting wasn't a factor; Blugolds were 1 of 7, while Stout hit 1 of 8. Maybe that was a factor, though... And the 'Golds 18-23 from the line is going to beat the opposition's 11-21 any day...

Nice win for UWEC tonight. They in no way stole this one. They earned it...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 11:19:47 pm
Hey buf -
Not sure if you are a student, or an older fart like me. But since you're a Blugold junkie, I have a recommendation for you, if you haven't participated...

I didn't go to any of the noon football luncheons this fall, but went to my first Court 'N Rink luncheon yesterday. Coaches Englund and Strand gave insights on their teams... I'd say maybe 30-40 people showed up yesterday. Many are boosters... If you're a student, you'd be one of the younger ones there. But some of the players were there, so you might not feel too awkward...

$6 gets you a sandwich, a soda, and a cookie... Not a bad deal if you're a gym rat like me... Check the website for the Nov. 14 press release for the location and schedule of when each coach appears. Hockey and hoops coaches each appear six times...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 11:37:00 pm
Hey buf -
Not sure if you are a student, or an older fart like me. But since you're a Blugold junkie, I have a recommendation for you, if you haven't participated...

I didn't go to any of the noon football luncheons this fall, but went to my first Court 'N Rink luncheon yesterday. Coaches Englund and Strand gave insights on their teams... I'd say maybe 30-40 people showed up yesterday. Many are boosters... If you're a student, you'd be one of the younger ones there. But some of the players were there, so you might not feel too awkward...

$6 gets you a sandwich, a soda, and a cookie... Not a bad deal if you're a gym rat like me... Check the website for the Nov. 14 press release for the location and schedule of when each coach appears. Hockey and hoops coaches each appear six times...

Sounds cool! I was unaware of those.  However, I am usually working during weekdays.  Thanks for bringing that to my attention though.  Perhaps I might attend one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 30, 2006, 03:14:42 am
Great win for the eagles today, especially after a hard loss to Simpson this last weekend...WIth todays win Lois Heeren becomes the winningest coach in school history...Searing played a great game, hitting what ever they would give, from everwhere on the floor...Both teams presses provided for the majority of the games 51 turnovers....Overall a good, but sloppy game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on November 30, 2006, 08:52:37 am
Great win for the Blugolds over Stout and to dominate the 2nd half like they did!! A huge confidence booster for the Blugolds and hopefully we will get a couple votes in the d3hoops.com poll next week. It feels great to finally beat Stout and teach them a lesson!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 09:30:13 am
Funny way the schedule works out, all four of tonight's winners play each other on Saturday.  So, we will be down to just two undefeated teams after only two WIAC games.

OK, not entirely true.  If Platteville won on Saturday, they'd be undefeated in conference as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 30, 2006, 06:53:27 pm
Guess my previews weren't all right.  EC coming out of no where to surprise # 6 Stout.  Well not really surprise them, dominate them.  Duoss looked completely frustrated, not playing at all either.  Heard from EC fans that she cheered better on the bench than she played, kind of funny.  Geissler still shooting horrible.  Looks like since this team is not injury prone they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot (no pun intended).

EC is a team to contend now for the Conference Title and if they can get a big "W" on the road this weekend they will be my favorite with Point to contend.

Point-only surprise is that they didn't beat Oshkosh by more.  Oshkosh looks horrible with their stat count last night.  Knapp with 2 points?  Did I really read that right?  Looks for an interesting year if she scores 2 points a game-kind of funny really.

RF stomps Superior, WOW. 

Great game with LAX and Whitewater it reads like.  Surprised that LAX didn't win by more, but maybe Whitewater is that much better this year.  We will see how they do on the road since they are not to prone for road wins.

Looks for an exciting weekend......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 08:07:08 pm
Oshkosh looks horrible with their stat count last night.  Knapp with 2 points?  Did I really read that right?  Looks for an interesting year if she scores 2 points a game-kind of funny really.
Oshkosh shooting 15% in the first half was staggering.  It was hard to believe I was reading it.  In fact, if you pull out Abitz's 6 for 6, the rest of the team shot just 18 percent for the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 12:00:54 am
EC is a team to contend now for the Conference Title and if they can get a big "W" on the road this weekend they will be my favorite with Point to contend.

Hold on a second. First of all, incredibly impressive win and I don't want to take anything away from Eau Claire. They are absolutely a contender, heck they were picked for third, everyone knew they were a contender. And from what I hear, Fremstad may be the league's best point guard. But ...

Regardless of what they did to Stout Wednesday, I don't know whether you can make them the favorite after 2 games.
Last year, Stout starts 2-2 in league; 7-5 overall. Finished 12-4 as league champs and 22-8 overall.  Two years ago started 1-3 in league and 6-4 overall, finished 12-4 as league champs and 24-7 overall.

My point ... it is not unlike them to lose a couple early. They get better as the year goes on, in my mind, because they are fresh in the dogs days of January. Their kids rarely play 30 minutes in a game where if you look at everyone else's nights, their studs are always 30-35. Believe me, it matters, a lot; especially in a league where you feel like you've been in a fight almost every night. I'm sure Eau Claire didn't feel comfortable until the last few minutes; heck if Heidi A finishes the game on the floor, they must not have felt comfortable until the horn.

They take awhile to get their rotation figured out, go on a Christmas trip, and usually come back and start beating everybody. They are the favorite ... for awhile at least. Heck, I've read on here people thought they could go undefeated. Eau Claire's not going 16-0 and they still have to go to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 11:35:31 am
Eau Claire kept their studs in the game to rub it down Stout's throat.  If it would have been switched roles, Stout would have done the same thing.

Sure Stout usually comes on in the second half of the season but as of now they look horrible.  Geissler is shooting them into the floor, and Duoss can't be the only scorer.  Sure, not playing as much might help in the end, but one loss in conference tournament could cost them an NCAA berth since they lost regionally and within the Conference.

EC has the best point guard in the league, along with Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson healthy...they will be a great team....big game this weekend though at LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 11:49:22 am
"If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!" - Denny Green

I'm not ready to crown Eau Claire either, but I don't think anyone doubted they would be a contender.  (They were picked 3rd after all.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 01, 2006, 01:19:32 pm
whoa whoa whoa.....crowning titles already one game in.....i agree with the talk.....we all know why we aren't supposed to ASSume things....

EC wins....yes a big game but lets get serious....it is one game and they have struggled on the road in teh past....we all knew stout would lose games and so will EC...does it help to have a point guard to lead the show...heck yeah....would I call her the "best in the league" NO and neither would anyone else if they saw a few others PG's play....bottom line....EC is a long ways from any sort of title....are they one step in the right direction yet...but it is a long season

lets get picking for the weekend.....

EC at LAX- LAX by 8....EC comes in too confident and LAX is ready to prove themselves in this conference and they finally have the players to do so

SUP @ OSH- OSH by 15....after losing by a large amount to Point OSH has made changes and will be ready to go

Stout @ Platteville- Stout is very unlikely to go 2 losses in a row....deep down yes I would like to see UWP pull off the upset but...I see Stout by 10

Point @ RF- Point by 10....it will be a battle but Point will come out on top even though they have struggled there in the past


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 01, 2006, 03:35:06 pm
SUP @ OSH - OSH by 35 or 40 (Superfan goes wild)

CANADA @ IOWA - STOUT by 22

SP @ RF - SP by 16 (The crowd of 6 on hand riots over a JJ Jumper T-Shirt give-away)

And my upset special pick:

EC @ LAX - EC by 15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 pm
Oshkosh gets a big win and a confidence booster beating Superior by 15 plus....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI

EC over LAX for a big road win (they won there last year also), close game, EC by 8

Stout will win to get back to their winning ways

Point will beat up again on RF.....20 or more
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
OSH over SUP by 20

LAX nips EC by 3

STOUT over PLT by 18

SP tops RF by 15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 06:26:28 pm
"If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!" - Denny Green
Hilarious

would I call her the "best in the league" NO and neither would anyone else if they saw a few others PG's play

I have seen them all ... except her and Weber, haven't seen her since high school. But from what some people are telling me she's better than the rest. I guess that's an interesting debate; where would they rank being a vital position on your team. Is Weber playing the point for Point?

by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI
I think he's been there everytime I've ever been to an Oshkosh game.

My picks-
Oshy over Superior by 17
River over Point by 4
Stout over Platteville by 11 (Even though UWP beat them at Stout last year)
and ...
absolutely no idea who to pick at La Crosse.  They have split the past three years; last year each won on the other's home court. The previous two years, the home teams won. I think they're going to split again this year; just don't know who wins first. The majority of these have been close as well (although if I remember right last year's were a little more spread out.

Since we're not keeping track of picks, I say. TIE, can't get off the fence. Gun to my head, La Crosse by 1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 02, 2006, 12:50:57 am
....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI

LOL. I was totally making that crap up. I can see it now...Superfan and his fluggy mustache yelling OOOHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.  Mmmm free T-Shirt!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:05:38 am
....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI

LOL. I was totally making that crap up. I can see it now...Superfan and his fluggy mustache yelling OOOHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.  Mmmm free T-Shirt!

I'm telling ya, he lives at the Kolf!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:08:51 pm
Oshkosh cracks Superior by 22. Super stayed kind of in range around 12-14 point lead most of the way. Biggest lead at the buzzer.

River Falls over Point by 2 at the half.
La Crosse by 7 over EC with 16:00 left.
Can't get anything from Platteville, their network for live stats is down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:57:11 pm
La Crosse 68
Eau Claire 51

River Falls 67
Stevens Point 60

Don't crown anybody yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 08:01:09 pm
Maybe Ashley Wagner read the "best point guard in the league conversation"

She goes off for 17 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists while Fremstad goes 0-for-8  with 2 reb and 4 assists. 1 point.

Zenner leads EC with 11 and 11 rebounds.

La Crosse has three others in double figures. Looks like some foul trouble for EC. Burns had four early in the 2nd half, I see she fouled out and finished with just 6. Hopefully someone who was there can give a little better idea of how things played out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 02, 2006, 08:07:13 pm
Lax defeats EC 68-51.  I started listening half way through the 1st half.  At that time Burns, Hakanson, and Voelker (the top 3 posts) all had 2 fouls and didn't play the remainder of the half.  Very poor shooting by EC (30%), which has just been too common on the road the last couple of years.  A good performance by Lax's Wagner. 

I don't think anyone is crowning anyone yet.  I think one poster just mentioned that EC (after the Stout win) was a major contender for the title race.

On the best point guard issue: While I am an EC fan, I am not going to say Fremstad is the best point guard after a few games.  She definately has one of the best floor games, but I think she can improve her scoring offense.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:18:51 pm
Stout beats Platteville by 16. 83 points at Platteville (or for that matter, anywhere) is a ton. Platteville tries to play the 60-58 games, not today. Stout around 60 with 10:00 to go.
 
Wednesday night ... big game at E.C. with River Falls coming to town.
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.

Platteville goes to LaX. Oshkosh has the bye, Stout has the other one (sorry Superior)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 02, 2006, 10:10:16 pm
Never a dull moment in the WIAC, as Point loses today, too.

Inside the numbers, UWL 68, UWEC 51...

Ashley Wagner must have been pi**** about the point guard talk here!  ;)Ha. But she tied a career high with her 17 points. MacKenzie Hunter adds 14 and Abby Johnson pitches in 10. Katy Searing pulled down 10 boards. Blugolds' Amanda Zenner has a double-double, with 11 points and 11 boards.

Had you told me the 'Golds would have outrebounded LaX (44-34) and had 25 more shots taken, I'd have thought UWEC might have won. LaX hit 22-of 28 free throws, however, vs. 7 of 9 for EC.

Biggest factor was perhaps that in all those shots the 'Golds took, they didn't make them, at 21 of 69, for 30 percent. Since I wasn't there, I'm not sure how many of them were good looks that didn't fall, or how much the Eagles D played a factor in creating poor shots...

The Eagles, however, were 22-45 from the field, for nearly 49 percent...
 
Radio broadcasters in EC made Hunter the answer to the half-time trivia contest, as she's the one who got away from UWEC during the recruiting process. (Of course, as the theme of the day, they also reminded us Joe Werner got away, too. Ouch. Ha.)

Hunter'd look good in blue and gold, that's for sure... But I'm sure she's having fun, playing a role in turning around an Eagles' program that has struggled and is now winning...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 03, 2006, 08:44:39 am
UWP vs UW Stout update: UWS was up to their usual good play. If they would have shot fro the outside they would have got 100. We were too young and inexperienced, but the future is bright. 40 is one of the best players in the Country, what a pleasure to watch. Teams can beat Stout, but they must not turn the ball over and slow them down, As usual, they are not overpowering in the half court. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 03, 2006, 09:06:01 pm
I was at the EC-UW-L game. The bluegolds didn't come in overconfidant. My opinion? It's not uncommon after getting a big emotional win against a team (Stout) that a team will play flat in their next game. I just don't think they had anything to give. They'll be fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 04, 2006, 01:54:39 am
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.

I'm not sure whose home you are referring to here, but each team won on their own court last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 10:42:14 am
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.

I'm not sure whose home you are referring to here, but each team won on their own court last year.

Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.

My opinion? It's not uncommon after getting a big emotional win against a team (Stout) that a team will play flat in their next game. I just don't think they had anything to give. They'll be fine.

If they aren't going to have "anything to give" after big wins, they are not a contender; cause there's a lot of big, emotional wins you need to get to win the WIAC.

I agree they'll be fine and they'll be in it to the end, but that's kind of a lame excuse. La Crosse played a 40 minute tight game against WW the same night EC beat Stout. If La Crosse loses to Platteville it won't be because they "didn't have anything left to give after Eau Claire" it will probably mean Platteville out-played them and beat them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 11:09:24 am


Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.



Actually WW finished as the sixth seed last year and lost to 3rd seeded Oshkosh in the first round.  LaCrosse was last year's 8th seed.

Not that it matters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 11:14:53 am
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.

whenever WW steps on the floor it is an interesting game...yeah they were that low in rankings but still beat Point AND Stout last season on their court....WW is tough no doubt about it their own worst enemy in the past has been themselves ... as far as closing the gap between the two...if you know anything about the WIAC you know there is no gap between anyone....yeah Superior seems to be on the same track in years past but i think they will get one if not two W's this WIAC season....no game is an easy game....that is a fact

as far as wednesday goes....looks like another undefeated will fall....

gotta love the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 04, 2006, 01:50:29 pm
actually LaCrosse hosted River Falls last year and was the 4th seed...then lost to stout on the road
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 04, 2006, 02:23:01 pm
early to already start predictions but i figure since this conference title this year is that hectic already lets start early and see what comes of this week wednesday

EC over RF in a well contested game, but the blugolds will get back on track if they can stay outta foul trouble.....EC by 8

LAX continues their winning ways and dominates Platteville....LAX by 10+

Another upset for Point as WW hands them another loss.....WW by 6

Stout at Superior---why should Stout even travel there when they will win by 40 with their reserves

Oshkosh with the week off--probably because they are trying to convince each other that they might have a chance on Sat @ Stout when we all know that's not going to happen
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 02:57:22 pm
2005
Monday, Feb. 21
Quarterfinals
UW-Stout (#1) 73, UW-La Crosse (#8) 66 (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Eau Claire (#5) 62, UW-River Falls (#4) 43 (at River Falls) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh (#3) 88, UW-Whitewater (#6) 73 (at Oshkosh) Box Score
UW-Stevens Point (#2) 65, UW-Platteville (#7) 56 (at Stevens Point) Box Score

Wednesday, Feb. 23
Semifinals
UW-Stout 70, UW-Eau Claire 65 (Overtime) (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh 74, UW-Stevens Point 67 (at Stevens Point) Box Score

Saturday, Feb. 26
Championship
UW-Stout 68, UW-Oshkosh 53 (at Menomonie) Box Score



My bad.  Obviously it was a mistake to rely on information from the WIAC website and I didn't notice that they haven't updated it in almost a year. 

And checking another part of the website I can see that WHITEWATER was indeed the #8 seed by virtue of losing the tiebreaker to Platteville.  Thank you for the correction, pride.   Sorry about that Alum.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 04:35:32 pm
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.

whenever WW steps on the floor it is an interesting game...yeah they were that low in rankings but still beat Point AND Stout last season on their court....WW is tough no doubt about it their own worst enemy in the past has been themselves ...

Agreed. I love to watch them play. They've done very well against some of the league's best the past few years. Consistency from one night to the next has been their undoing.

as far as closing the gap between the two...if you know anything about the WIAC you know there is no gap between anyone....yeah Superior seems to be on the same track in years past but i think they will get one if not two W's this WIAC season....no game is an easy game....that is a fact

Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it. And you are wrong, there is a gap, it's just much smaller than it has been. No question about it, no game is easy in the WIAC and anyone can beat anyone. The gap isn't necessarily or doesn't have to be talent, it can be a simple as your team/program believing they can beat the top teams. Whitewater hasn't finished a season ahead of Point since 2000; so right now, there's a gap between Point and WW. No question by the end of the year it might be closed, but it takes a full season to do it. Head-to-head is as much about matchups as anything.

But at the end of the season, it has, for the most part been the same 4 teams in the top half of the league. Stout, Point, EC, and Oshkosh. There has been the big four and everyone else, the challenge is to get into the top four and unseat one of those programs over the course of the entire season, then continue to do. That's the challenge for River Falls and La Crosse stay in the top half. Things are changing but the past few years it's been the Big 4 in the Semis of the conference tournament except last year when La Crosse got a spot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 08:03:44 pm
Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it.

sorry to offend you....you are probably not the only one who has "been through it"...

we will just have to agree to disagree


picks:
stout
EC
UWP
Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 09:05:05 pm
Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it.

sorry to offend you....you are probably not the only one who has "been through it"...

we will just have to agree to disagree

I understand that, I know there are posters on here who have played, coached, worked in the league. I was responding to the statement as a whole.

And I have no problem with agreeing to disagree; I'll just say, in sports you can't argue the bottom line. Three  or four years ago the division between the top four and the bottom five was huge; it's closed a lot in three years.

The good part I think for the WIAC is it's been more a case of the bottom teams elevating themselves as it is/was the top teams coming back to the pack. Therefore, I think, the overall quality has increased although one team isn't necessarily dominating on the national scene like the Oshkosh's, Eau Claire's, and Point's of the past 20 years. Unfortunately it has cost us some NCAA appearances because it's really tough to do better than 10-6 because of the "any team, any night" quality you mentioned. Oshkosh, Point and La Crosse were all better than at least 12-16 of the teams in the dance but had 4, 5, and 7 conference losses that eliminated them from consideration.

Anyway, I digress.

Picks-
La Crosse over Platteville
Stout over Superior
Eau Claire in a great game over River Falls
Whitewater over Point

I know we probably don't have enough consistent posters to make it interesting but we should have gotten a pick'em together. Maybe after Christmas?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 04:06:33 pm
Well, more big games on tap for tonight. But they are all big games every night, right? Ha.

I'm going to Zorn early, to sit through the UWEC/RF mens' game first. Zzzz. So I hope EagleAlum is right, in that the Lady Blugolds pull out a win in a close one against the Falcons...

That will put the undefeated Falcons at 2-1, I think?, and bring them back to the rest of the pack. After tonight, things could be log-jammed with several 2-1 teams at this early stage of the season...

How is Point, after a tough loss to River Falls, going to respond to Whitewater? Couple of predictions here that Whitewater could win tonight in an upset on the Hawks' home court. Wouldn't surprise me one bit, though....

How about the Pointers' team record 17-game winning streak at home, though, in the friendly confines of the Berg gymnasium? UWL comes to town on Saturday, to see what they can do about that... But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We've got a full slate of games tonight!  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 08:48:15 pm
Upset Alert-
Platteville giving La Crosse trouble again for about the 100th straight game. Platteville's style always gets La Crosse uncomfortable. No exception tonight. LaX however scores the last six points of the half and trails 25-23 at the break.
Platteville jumped out to a 12-2 lead and has not trailed.
Foul trouble for La Crosse with Wagner, Hunter, and Johnson all sitting considerable 1st half minutes with 2 fouls. Fouls are even but La Crosse has yet to get to the line.

Tesch leads everyone with 8. No LaX player has more than 4.

Any updates on WW-Point?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2006, 09:55:56 pm
Point led WW 28-23 at the half, but there has been no further updates.

UPDATED:  WW nips Point 62-61.

MORE:  LC beats Platteville 60-56; Stout over SUP 85-??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 10:14:00 pm
La Crosse gains control with a nice run in the 2nd half, then holds on for a 60-56 win over the Pioneers.

Hunter looks like she took control in the 2nd half, finishes with 16, at least 12 after half. Searing with another double-double, 11 points-12 rebounds.
Liz Tesch goes for 16 and 10 to lead Platteville. Freshman Liz Wisdom has another good game, double-double tonight with 12 points and 13 rebounds.Not positive on the stats but I think Platteville had at least 13 TO's in the 2nd Half.

Eau Claire is cracking River Falls right now 32-14 late 1st Half. Ton of TO's for River right now.

Yeah Warhawks!
Bill, I think it was you with the stellar picks start opening weekend. I should have joined. I think I have an 8-0 start the last two weeks! Vegas baby.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:14:56 pm
update LaX pulls out a 60-56 win at home....it wasnt pretty but if you can get a W, you cant complain!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:37:26 pm
Did I read that right...stout only beat Superior by 11...85-74
As always this is going to be an interesting year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2006, 10:52:30 pm
WARHAWKS 62  Stevens Point 61

Big win for WW despite one very ugly half.   36 combined turnovers by the two teams and neither shooting better than 36% made the first half gruesome to watch.  The Pointer led 28-23 primarily by making 10 of 13 free throw attempts to 5 for 13 for the WARHAWKS.  

WHITEWATER improved their shooting significantly in the second half including 3 of 4  on three-point attempts.  They also improved from the line giing 10-16 including 6 of 6 down the stretch to maintain the lead.  

Tiffany Morton led the scoring with 12 points while both Lyndsey Buechner and Heidi Sonntag added 11 points and 10 points respectively.  Buechner also had 7 rebounds but Stevens Point dominated the boards 40 to 29.

Another not very pretty win but a W is always marked in the left column and you really need them at home.   WW goes to .500 (1-1) in the WIAC and 5-3 on the season.  Next up, Superior.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 11:55:55 pm
Final - UWEC 60, UWRF 50

Blugolds had a balanced offense tonight, with Arciszewski with 16, Hakanson 14, Zenner 12 and Burns 9. Reimann led the Falcons with 21, on 8-10 shooting and 5-5 from the free throw line, while Lindman chipped in 13.

UWRF jumped out to a 5-0 lead, but after a great timeout, the Golds answered with a 9-0 run to take the lead. They never looked back in the first half, on the way to a 34-16 lead at the break. Wish they could make every game as easy as they did in that first half. Keys were the the 'Golds outshooting the Falcons 55.6 % to 28.6 %. Golds were also able to dominate in the paint, and had a lot of buckets from underneath...

That turned around in the second half, as the Falcons post players aggressively stepped it up on the boards and in scoring to tighten the game...

Other stats - Blugold starters logged a lot of minutes, each with 30+, and the Golds, shooting a conference-leading 79 % from the charity stripe coming in, were able to add to it, hitting 13-16 for 81 %... Not good from three point land, as Golds were 1 of 8 and UWRF 2-11...

UWL comes out of the early season scrum with a 3-0 record to lead the conference... while the Golds, Falcons and Stout are all 2-1...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 07, 2006, 12:34:44 pm
sounds like every game was somewhat close last night....

made it out to the WW/UWSP game....probably one of the sloppiest games I have seen in a long time....29 and 26 TO's....very hard to watch....

props to WW on their newcomers...those kids are tough especially some of their post players....their team will be even better and hopefully take care of the ball better with Hendrickson on the court....not sure why she was on the sideline in jeans????


as for Point....wow....totally different team than what was displayed against the Badgers....not sure what it is...team chemistry....lack of concentration....no passion....whatever it is they better change it fast or they are in for a rude awakening against UWL on Saturday....



anyone know why the stout/superior game was surprisingly close???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 07, 2006, 01:29:43 pm
Hendrickson is ineligible until after Xmas break.   I guess it has something to do with her residency though I don't fully understand it myself.

Just reviewing the Stout/Superior box score I noticed that Stout had a 16 point lead at the half but Superior shot almost 60% from the floor in the second half including 8-10 three pointers.  Stout also had 16 of their 22 turnovers occur in the second half whereas Superior had only 6 of their 22 in that stanza.   

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 07, 2006, 03:12:19 pm
Went to Superior-Stout game last night, and I think Mulhern is learning a lot about playing in the WIAC. Every game is like no other and, usually, record has only marginal influence on play. I thought he played his bench very well, I think Superior had nothing to lose--so why be intimidated? It was home court. Calls were sometimes absent, sometimes bizarre, but both ways (I suppose both sides would disagree). Superior made some really stupid errors in the first half but got a bit more daring in the second. Set Katie Moench loose and, fortunately, she was seeing the basket pretty well.

I listened to Superior-Oshkosh game last week; Superior played quite well first half, which is actually normal: good first half; die in the second. There, I think they played pretty well first half and made lots of stupid mistakes in second. Lot of charging going on.

This could be one of those years where the team shows moments of disaster followed closely by genius. Sure would like to see a W in a couple of conference games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 08, 2006, 12:10:50 pm
EagleAlum- I was simply stating that after a big win sometimes you come out flat at your next game. It wasn't an excuse. I didn't say it would happen all the time after a big win. When this happens to a team one time, does that suddenly mean they are not contenders? Of course not. I'm sure you've seen teams come out flat after a big win whether it was high school, college or YES, even the pros. It happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 08, 2006, 01:16:51 pm
picks (or predictions as I should call them) for the weekend games....

Stout- I think Stout is itching to give a butt kicking to someone and I am afraid Oshkosh might be it

River Falls over Platteville

Point over LaCrosse-- I can't even imagine Point losing 3 straight....just not possible to think about....I believe that coaching staff will do whatever it takes even if that means the three of them suiting up(wouldn't that be fun)....it will be a good game but I predict Point by 9

Shocker of the weekend.....Superior over WW at Superior.....I don't know if this is a wish or a true prediction....I am just a sucker for the underdog I guess

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 08, 2006, 03:57:11 pm
EagleAlum- I was simply stating that after a big win sometimes you come out flat at your next game. It wasn't an excuse. I didn't say it would happen all the time after a big win. When this happens to a team one time, does that suddenly mean they are not contenders? Of course not. I'm sure you've seen teams come out flat after a big win whether it was high school, college or YES, even the pros. It happens.

I agree, it does happen. I guess I just think that takes away from the team who wins the game who deserves the credit. EC led 20-19 with 6:00 to go in the 1st so it's not like they came out flat and got rolled. The 2nd half is where things got away.

Again, I guess this for me isn't the EC/LaX. In general, I just think that's a cliche that is used way too much for teams that start games, halves bad. We came out flat. More so from coaches than fans probably. I know it happens, you see it at all levels. Sorry no disrespect intended by making the response.

But, what you said was they didn't come in overconfident, they were flat. I think La Crosse deserves credit for winning a game we all agreed was a big game, by a comfortable margin. It's not like Eau Claire didn't know La Crosse was good, so they shouldn't have been overconfident or flat. Now again, I know it happens. I'd say the same for La Crosse struggling with Platteville the other night; I think it's an insult to UW-P to say, "La Crosse came out flat, that's the reason Platteville was winning the first half.

You may be right, they may have been flat, and it happens a lot; I just feel like teams, especially in the WIAC where you KNOW everyone is good, deserve the credit for W's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 08, 2006, 10:08:33 pm
Going to be at RF tomorrow. can someone, who saw my lady pioneers at LX comment on their performance. Also, can someone give me some info on the lady Falcons? thank You and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 08, 2006, 11:30:45 pm
Superfan -
If you see this in time before tomorrow's game, here's my brief comments about the Falcons -

I was impressed with the players who had numbers in the 40s on the jerseys. Seems like they were causing the Blugolds all kinds of problems on Wednesday. They are Megan Lindman #44 and Kelsie Flanscha #40, as post players, and #43 Krista Cordes, a guard, who seemed to be in the paint a lot that night, too.

Of course, #25 is someone to watch, too, that being Traci Reimann. She's difficult to stop. As the old saying goes, you can only hope to contain her. Ha.

Not sure how well your Pioneers match up inside, but that size might be a factor in the Falcons' favor?

Blugold fans will go through withdrawal pains for about a month now, as the next two games are non-conference games on the road, and a tournament in Texas over the Christmas break. 'Golds don't play at home again until Whitewater comes to Zorn on Jan. 3...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 09, 2006, 06:10:36 am
Bulk 19: Thank you. I agree RF is a good posting team.. 25 killed us last year at PV, she drilled 7 or 8 3 point shots sliding off the High post. As to the Holidays it is tough not to see your team for weeks. I guess we have to realize this is not the NBA, although it is much more entertaining. God Bless and have a great Christmas, even without Women BB. PS nice upset over Stout 10 days ago, coach Thomas said too many cheap fouls were called on All American 40. I miss the Thomas vs Lisa Stone games when I lived in EC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 05:49:26 pm
25 killed us last year at PV, she drilled 7 or 8 3 point shots sliding off the High post.

Not sure what game you saw last year, Reiman only shot one 3-pointer that game.  She did have a great game and was 10-13 from the field, so maybe some of those were mid-range jumpers.  Memory fails as you age doesn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 07:14:18 pm
Pointers up 20 on La Crosse early in the second half: http://www.uwsp.edu/Athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM

Point shooting 63.6%!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 08:07:50 pm
Point flattens LC 83-60.

WW beats SUP 72-61.

Platteville beats RF 54-52. (The aforementioned Reimann is held without a field goal.)

OSH and Stout is just underway: http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/live/xlive.htm

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 08:45:21 pm
If anyone reads this page within the next hour or so, Stout is doing a video webcast of the game vs. UWO.  Go to WIAC page, and the link is under the "Radio Broadcast/Live Stats"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 10:19:06 pm
Stout wins by about a dozen after dominating the 1st half.  Actually, UWO ( basically Becky Knapp) made a run and got within 5pts with about 5min to go.

For the most part, I liked what I saw from UWO.  They seem more "tougher" in the paint than they were last year.  Plus, the players that are taking almost all of the shots are their best players, (Knapp, Tyriver, Sharpee), not the inexperienced ones.

Do any Stout fans know whats up with L. Geissler?  Her freshman year she played well.  Last year she played OK.  This year she is really struggling.  Coming out of high school, I thought she would have a great shot at making multiple all-conference teams.  Did she peak early or is she just in a slump?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 12:52:07 am
Returned an hour ago from UWRF. First half was very ugly, UWRF up 18-15.RF all conference player Reimer held to 2 points. Good job by Liz Tesch of UWP on her. Also Lindman, Sr Post held in check with foul Trouble. Weuben of Platteville fouled  badly, no call, knocked out of game . Came back two minutes later and scored last 9 points of game. Number21 for RF had 16 points and kept RF in game. Very small crowd, a lot of fans missed a good game. Pep Band only Rf fans making any noise. Both teams played hard and deserved to win. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 02:23:50 am
Disappointed to see my Eagles drop one at Point today but again, the WIAC proves how difficult it is to win on the road. If you take out Superior there have been only 2 road wins this year. Stout at Platteville and Platteville today at River Falls. They always say in the NBA that in the playoffs a series doesn't actually begin until someone wins on the road. Well, right now, virtually the ENTIRE LEAGUE has held serve. Impressive. Good win for Platteville today (obviously); potentially a crippling loss for River down the road when seeding time rolls around; plus they've already had 3 home games.

Not all that surprised by the Point win. You know Shirley had to have them coming in spitting nails after 2 straight tough road losses. Plus La Crosse hasn't won at SP in a long time and Point hasn't lost at home in forever either.

Stout still a little bit of a question mark. In four games, they've arguably played 3 of the weakest teams and EC. And they lost to the best of them.

buf- I was all ready to come and say, "Geissler's pretty solid" ... then I looked at the stats. Ouch, she is struggling. 2-for-27 from the 3? 8-for-20 from the line. She's too good a shooter for numbers like that. I really like the Geissler's and I don't have an answer why she's not shooting well. I know it's not for lack of effort, at least in the past. I've seen her in pre-game with a chair out on the court working on her shot and legs, etc. Unique drills she was doing. Anyway, the only thing I know that's different is that since she got to Stout, she put on a bunch of muscle and I think slowed down a bit, has that affected her shot? Not sure. You're right though, as a freshman she was tough. Still, even last year, I would have wanted her on the court for me down the stretch cause I felt like a clutch shot from her was going in. Having not seen her this year, I guess I don't know.

They will need her though to meet the lofty expectations. But if she feels like she can't shoot right now, it'll be tough to break out. Hope she waits one more conference game to do so.

Stout at La Crosse will open the New Year's Schedule (I think). First place after 5 on the line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 10:36:36 am
Dito, shooters need to shoot out of slumps. Stout has plenty of Depth, they do not reley on one player other than Debois, They win by playing 40 minutes of speed up bump and run, AKA 40 minutes of H, like Nolan Richardson at Arkansas! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 04:03:06 pm
As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55.  I think they were ranked #4 in D2.  Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half.  SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs.  Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs.  I think she belongs at the D1 level  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 04:36:59 pm
As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55.  I think they were ranked #4 in D2.  Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half.  SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs.  Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs.  I think she belongs at the D1 level  ;)

Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end. St. Cloud's website is awful, they don't even have home results from THURSDAY posted, at least on the schedule.

And yeah, Quigley is a pre-season All-American and was the Region POTY last year. She's tough. Amazing. In her career she's averaged - 18.1 as a freshman, 22.7 as a sophomore, 22.2 as a junior, and now 22.7 again as a senior. 2,112 in her career so far!

They were actually ranked 23rd in D-2 in this week's poll.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 10, 2006, 04:38:57 pm
The WARHAWKS defeated Superior 72-61 on the road.  Trailing through the first half, by as many as 12 at times, WW rallied to pull even 33-33 on a Lyndsey Buechner jump shot with less than 2 minutes remaining and took their first lead, 36-33, on a three pointer by Rachel Woolever a short time later.  The half ended with WW up four, 39-35.  Superior never led or was tied after that though they did pull to within two points with about four and half minutes remaining.  However a three-pointer by Trisha Thill ended that threat.

Tiffany Morten paced the WARHAWKS with 21 points and 9 rebounds.  She's really been playing well lately and is becoming more and more a force in games.   Buechner also pulled down 9 rebounds and contributed 13 points.  Thill added 10 points and 3 steals.

WARHAWKS go to 2-1 in conference play and 6-3 on the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:34:18 pm
EagleAlum -

St. Cloud St. Uni. jumped out to an 18-0 run, with the Blugolds scoring their first two points at the 13:30 mark. Ouch. Not the way to start a game; Blugolds have had trouble coming out with intensity this year and last, and have let way too many teams jump way out in front in the first half... They are still a young team, but they are going to have to "learn" to come out for the opening tip...

Halftime score was 35-23. Lead was as big as 25 with 9:56 to go; 16 is as close as the Blugolds got...

Key stats - Golds outrebounded, 52-35; Erika Quigley had a monster game for the Huskies, with 28 points, 18 boards and three blocked shots. Looks like all the 'Golds got a bit of playing time....

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:45:25 pm
OK, so I praise the Blugolds' Missy Fremstad for her play in a win in the Stout game, and in her next game,  a loss against La Crosse, she misses all of her shots from the field, and hits one of two free throws, for one point. Meanwhile, the Eagles' Ashley Wagner goes off for 17 points...

Then, I praise UW River Falls' Traci Reimann for her 21 points and eight boards in a loss against the Blugolds, and in her next game, a loss to Platteville yesterday, she misses all her shots from the field and scores her only two points on free throws. But she did pull down 14 boards...

So, fellow WIAC followers, I sense a pattern developing here. Anybody have a specific player they want me to talk up, so I jinx her for her next game?  ;) 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 09:01:14 pm

So, fellow WIAC followers, I sense a pattern developing here. Anybody have a specific player they want me to talk up, so I jinx her for her next game?  ;) 

I'll wait until after the New Year but I'm dying to hear what you think of that Duoss girl at Stout? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 09:49:00 pm
OK EagleAlum. Now I'm scaring myself...

This is what I posted before the UWEC 55-44 win over Stout:

Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...

Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....


Duoss had 9 points, four boards, and fouled out that game!!!!

Cue the theme song for the Twilight Zone!  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 11:12:58 pm
Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end.

SCS went on a run to get the lead in to the low 20s.  Zenner got hot late in the game and EC whittled the lead down to the mid teens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 11, 2006, 08:54:04 pm
UW-L struggles to get by Finlandia, 60-56. They're off now for a couple of weeks but they'll need to regroup, playing like this isn't good enough for the big games coming up. They are in the Clarke Tournament after XMas and open with a decent Wartburg team.

They are a veteran team though so hopefully they'll be fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 11, 2006, 11:05:32 pm
I just was on the UWL website and was quite a bit surprised by that score.  Finlandia is only 1-7 and they usually play weak teams.  I guess a win is a win.  Better to have a bad game against a bad team than a good team.

Also tonight, Stout gets thumped 89-64 against D2 Minnesota State (Mankato), a team Stout beat last year by 3 points.  Looks like Duoss had a good game, but again no help from anyone else.  Other players for Stout NEED to step up.  As each game goes by this season, it seems that Stout is relying more and more on Duoss.  Stout has plenty of experienced players who should be helping out more offensively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 12, 2006, 12:05:26 am
Other players for Stout NEED to step up.  As each game goes by this season, it seems that Stout is relying more and more on Duoss.  Stout has plenty of experienced players who should be helping out more offensively.

Maybe they miss Hendricks more than anyone thought. No one ever thought of her as an offensive player because of how good and physical she was defensively; but looking back she was the second-leading scorer, shot 36% from the 3, and probably was a pretty big stabilizer in what they were trying to do.

And I know that with their team who starts isn't a big deal cause they play so many, but how long will they let Geissler struggle before she loses some minutes. It's not even so much the 3-for-31 from the 3 (although that's bad) but she only shot 29% the last two years. The free throw percentage is what makes it look very mental ... 8-for-21! She was 75 and 76% the last two years. That hurts.

Now ... they are 8-2 with a D2 loss and a loss on the road to a conference rival ... so it's not like they have collapsed. They just haven't been as dominant as people thought they might be. So we'll see. Interesting note ... in their tournament in Texas they may face former UW-Oshkosh coach, Pam Ruder.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on December 12, 2006, 12:32:43 pm
Hey, Stout fans, relax.
Any team Mark Thomas coaches gets better as the season wears on.  What, they lost a league game on the road, and to a DII team? 
So?
There is a lot of season left.  And it'll probably end with a Dance.


Does anyone have any observastions on last Saturday's Platteville-River Falls game?  Even though the Pioneer offense should be improved -- with a mature Tesch, and developing Grantman and a healthy Wubben -- it looks like the UWP hallmarks will again be playing defense and being hard-nosed.  (Translation:  They might have trouble putting the ball through the basket.)

I listened to some radio feeds of the game, but all the announcers did was question the officiating.  Over and over and over and over and over....

Plus, although the UWP-UWRF series is well under the radar, it's worth paying attention to.  The games tend to be tough, physical, and close for all 40 minutes.  It's not always artistic basketball, but it can be compelling.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 12, 2006, 09:28:20 pm
See my post a couple of pages ago for my personal recap of the game. The RF PV game was a great defensive game. Wueben is a difference maker, it may take a while to get back 100 percent recovering from her knee injury. you are completely accurate in your summary of PV. The offense at PV does have some new freshmen who can shoot, what a relief.  LIZ Wisdom is a highly skilled around the hoop but needs to get stronger. I feel the future is bright. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 13, 2006, 12:42:03 pm


I don't know about St. Cloud's website, but their announcers were horrible. I've listened to enough games and at least you knew what players were on the floor playing. It was a real guessing game. Had to wait for the stats to come out on that one.



















As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55.  I think they were ranked #4 in D2.  Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half.  SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs.  Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs.  I think she belongs at the D1 level  ;)

Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end. St. Cloud's website is awful, they don't even have home results from THURSDAY posted, at least on the schedule.

And yeah, Quigley is a pre-season All-American and was the Region POTY last year. She's tough. Amazing. In her career she's averaged - 18.1 as a freshman, 22.7 as a sophomore, 22.2 as a junior, and now 22.7 again as a senior. 2,112 in her career so far!

They were actually ranked 23rd in D-2 in this week's poll.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on December 13, 2006, 01:03:51 pm
T.F. Guy -

Thanks for the comment about coach T.  He's a great coach AND a class act.  There's been some disappointing play, but Mark and staff will get it turned in the right direction.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2006, 03:04:59 pm
Point beat Lawrence 65-55 in a game in which no players from either team scored in double figures.  I'm not sure I've ever seen that in a college game.

If you can get a triple-double, and a double-double, then I guess every player in this game recorded a nada-double.  :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 13, 2006, 10:29:47 pm
Platteville beats Edgewood 79-50. Edgewood shot 28% from the floor and Eagles' Scheele held to around half her scoring average again.

You WIAC schools continue to have LMC/NathCons' number.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2006, 10:51:43 pm
Edgewood only had eight players dressed for their game against us a few weeks ago.  Two of them only played 6 minutes apiece so they essentially played the game with six players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2006, 09:33:45 am
Well, there's three ways to get on the front page at D3Hoops.com...

1. Beat a ranked team
2. Be a ranked team and lose
3. Lose to a team that nearly folded entirely two years ago

Unfortunately River Falls made the front page via method #3, with a shocking 52-46 loss to Macalester last night.  The word unbelievable gets thrown around a lot, but this loss truly is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 14, 2006, 12:13:47 pm
Not a good stretch for the Falcons. My sleeper pick has gone into hibernation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 14, 2006, 12:47:59 pm
I was at the UWRF - Macalester game last night.  When I first saw the Falcons take the floor with the size they had I thought this could get ugly pretty quickly for the Scots.   But smaller Macalester outhustled, outrebounded, and outplayed UWRF; at least in the first half anyway.  The Falcons made some adjustments at the half and stormed back to take two brief leads before Mac stepped on the gas again to take the lead for good.   Being a MIAC guy I was happy although I was a little in disbelief as well that they did this to UWRF which has some talent.     
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 14, 2006, 07:18:36 pm
Whats happened to River Falls the last week?  They beat Point and almost came back against EC at Zorn, and then this week they tank it by losing to Platteville at home and Macalester.

This should not be happening to a team with 5 senior starters!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 03:58:34 pm
UWEC loses at Carroll 64-61.  Close 1st half with Carroll usually leading by a few points and a 2-point halftime lead.  Carroll comes out of the gates and dominates most of the 2nd half, leading by as much as 12.  Facing an 8-point deficit with under a minute left, EC makes a furious comeback thanks to Mueggenborg's 3-point shooting.  EC actually stole the ball with 10sec (down by 3) but either missed a shot or turned it over.  Carroll did a good job making FT's down the stretch. 

Again, EC shoots horrible the first 38 min of the game.  At this point they were 32%.  However, they made almost every shot in the last 2min to finish at a respectable 41%.  Mueggenborg leads with 17pts, almost all coming in the last minute.  Burns with 14pts and Heide A. with 10pts, although she was only 3-12 on FGs, missing several short ones.  Wickert had a good first half for Carroll and then Hoewich took over in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 07:48:31 pm
Stout website says Finlandia (1-8) beat Stout 86-84 in overtime. Anyone listen? (Was there something to listen to?) What happened? Only half the team go up? Wait, that's probably still more players than Finlandia has...

If anyone has more information, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:08:13 pm
Stout website says Finlandia (1-8) beat Stout 86-84 in overtime. Anyone listen? (Was there something to listen to?) What happened? Only half the team go up? Wait, that's probably still more players than Finlandia has...

If anyone has more information, I'd be interested in hearing it.

 Here's a game story  (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbgame.htm#2006december16)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:09:20 pm
Finlandia is only 2-8 but they have played the WIAC well this year... a win over Stout and close games with River Falls and Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:06:37 pm
UWO shoots 52% and has a 36-22 rebound advantage and still loses at home to St. Norbert 67-60.  UWO has 30 turnovers to only 14 for Norberts.
Its weird, earlier this season at Zorn, St Norberts had 32 turnovers.  What a difference!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:07:20 pm
With UWO, Stout and EC losing, its not a good day in WIAC land!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 10:52:31 pm
Thank you for the link. I looked at the Finlandia web site and found nothing; went back to the Stout web site, and it wouldn't even come up. I thought the school had imploded. I found the box score when I went back to the Finlandia site.

Look's like Stout's freshmen are stepping up.

In other sports news--

Finlandia also beat UW-Superior in men's hockey tonight. I guess it was Finlandia's time to shine. They've been taking drubbings in virtually every sport for the past several years. I have mixed feelings about today's wins...

UW-Superior women beat St Scholastica by 15 or so this afternoon. They were down by ten or more early in the game and came back to tie it up at halftime. They're doing pretty well against schools of similar size.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2006, 11:19:28 am
To wrap up the day's results Platteville beat Trinity International by about 8 on the road.

Tough week and weekend for the WIAC.  I think everyone could use a little break before getting back into it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 02:16:54 am
I agree with a bad week for the WIAC. It was a bad loss for Stout. They are just better than that to lose to Finlandia, cannot even spell it!Also, glad that St Norbert is playing UWO, but they should not beat them. Is UWO a little weak in the post? A little Short? Plenty of Talent but the right mix? I saw UWP play Edgewood of Madison. Good game for 15 minutes. EC had only 8 players on trip and got worn down, As to UWP vs Trinity International, we were up by 18 with 5 minutes to go and blew 13 points of our lead. Not good, but a win is a win! God Bless you guys and gals and have a Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 09:40:44 am
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.

Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2006, 01:36:32 pm
The WARHAWK women defeated George Fox University in Hawaii on Saturday by a 53-47 score.  WHITEWATER led 33-27 at the half.  The scoring slowed in the second half and WW  led by a single point, 48-47, with about a minute to go when Rachel Woolever hit a three-pointer to make the margin 51-47.  George Fox fouled WW on its next two possesions, but Lindsey Buechner and Nicole Bundy  both made the front end of one-and-ones to create the final margin. 

Buechner was the only Warhawk in double figures with 14 points.  Tiffany Morton  led the Warhawks with 11 rebounds, while also adding 8 points. 


WHITEWATER, 6-3 overall, will play Siena Heights College (MI) in Honolulu Monday.


Not "everybody else" loves Dicky V, foul.  Personally I'm not too keen on him but it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before.  He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 18, 2006, 01:49:52 pm
Oshkosh is lacking all-around talent, experience, leadership, and a point guard.

Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:24:45 pm
Oshkosh is lacking all-around talent, experience, leadership, and a point guard.

Yep...that pretty much sums it up.

I somewhat agree with this.

Talent: UWO has 2 really good players in Tyriver and Knapp.  Sharpee is also very good.  The problem in this category is talent depth.  A huge dropoff after these 3 players.

Experience: This one is the killer!  Only Tyriver and Knapp the only ones with experience.

Leadership:  I actually think UWO is doing pretty decent here.  Knapp and Tyriver are clearly taking control of the team.  They do almost all of the shooting.

Point Guard:  Isn't Knapp the point guard?  She is clearly one of the best players in the conference.


Overall, I believe this team will surprise some of the top conference teams by years end.  The reason they lost the Norbert's game was because of 30 turnovers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:32:11 pm
The WARHAWK women defeated George Fox University in Hawaii on Saturday by a 53-47 score.  WHITEWATER led 33-27 at the half.  The scoring slowed in the second half and WW  led by a single point, 48-47, with about a minute to go when Rachel Woolever hit a three-pointer to make the margin 51-47.  George Fox fouled WW on its next two possesions, but Lindsey Buechner and Nicole Bundy  both made the front end of one-and-ones to create the final margin. 

Buechner was the only Warhawk in double figures with 14 points.  Tiffany Morton  led the Warhawks with 11 rebounds, while also adding 8 points. 


WHITEWATER, 6-3 overall, will play Siena Heights College (MI) in Honolulu Monday.


Not "everybody else" loves Dicky V, foul.  Personally I'm not too keen on him but it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before.  He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer. ;)


UWO plays George Fox before year's end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 03:20:03 pm
Quote
Overall, I believe this team will surprise some of the top conference teams by years end

I thought UWO was going to fold last year; they lost significant players AND a coach. They came through much better than I thought they would. I'm beginning to realize that talent, alone, won't carry a team. Talent harnessed and played appropriate to the competition is what makes a decent team a very good or great team. An inflexible coach will win sometimes and lose too many games. A coach who recognizes the comepetition's strengths and weaknesses and can train his or her players to focus on those things--flexibility--will likely do better. I think the UWO coach is probably a decent strategist. I haven't seen the team play except in the final UWO-Stout matchup in Menomonie. I think they tired out that night.

This year, they have bigger challenges, although as the season goes on, the team should make up for player 'newness'. I suspect they'll surprise me, again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 18, 2006, 06:22:51 pm
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.

Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...

Although he doesn't talk like him on a broadcast, Stoutguy looks like Dick Vitale!  :D

(http://espn.go.com/i/talent/dickvitale/dv.gif)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 08:22:41 pm
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it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before.  He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer

I can only say that, perhaps, my innate instinct for survival has protected me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 10:24:01 pm
Tyriver(sp) is one of the best athletes in the conference. i saw her play Fast pitch for the Titans and she is also a great Softball player. I think she played SS and hit 3rd. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 19, 2006, 01:42:32 am
She might be one of the best players at softball but she's not at the top in WBB.  She leads the UWO team along with Knapp because they have no one else.  We'll see how they do against teams coming up...maybe cut down the 30 TO's and maybe then they will win
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on December 19, 2006, 09:08:03 am
BDB -

You made a good point...    throw a Stout sweatshirt and glasses on Vitale and you have Stoutguy!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2006, 09:43:11 am
The  WARHAWKS topped  NAIA Siena Heights 67-47.   

UW-WW shot 52% from the floor in the first half to lead 42-25.

Tiffany Morton  took scoring honors with 14 points.  Emily Peters added 10 points.  Morton, Peters and Lindsey Buechner each grabbed six rebounds to lead UW-W to a 51-34 advantage on the boards.  Trisha Thill chipped in with a game-high five steals.

UW-WW improves to 7-3 and is idle until next week Thursday when they will host Judson.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 07:00:44 pm
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.

Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...

Although he doesn't talk like him on a broadcast, Stoutguy looks like Dick Vitale!  :D

(http://espn.go.com/i/talent/dickvitale/dv.gif)

Real cute, BDB.  I may look like him, and yes, that hurts a bit to say that, but I can honestly say that I have never listened to anyone who bothers me more that Dick V.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 19, 2006, 07:45:08 pm
Risking sounding like I'm brown-nosing, Stoutguy is waaaaaaay better than Vitale.

Happy Holidays from F.L. to y'all. (use the link below for a great Holiday greeting; hope I'm not violating a ton of rules. This is NOT obscene...)

http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf (http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 19, 2006, 10:25:06 pm
To Foul language: You need a better name. I did not read your attachment, but you do not use foul language in your posts, which i find entertaining. have a Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 10:37:41 pm
Risking sounding like I'm brown-nosing, Stoutguy is waaaaaaay better than Vitale.

Happy Holidays from F.L. to y'all. (use the link below for a great Holiday greeting; hope I'm not violating a ton of rules. This is NOT obscene...)

http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf (http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf)


Thanks, Foul Language, I think.  Your take on the Stout team to date.  I expected this to be one of Mark's best and maybe it still will be.  So far, however, some frustrations, don't you think?  I sometimes wonder if Mark's frustration during the game turns into the players frustrations.  For instance, they know they are coming out if they make a mistake.  Care to comment?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 10:02:29 am
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Care to comment?
Dying to.

If anyone has paid attention to the change in roster, one would note there has been something in the neighborhood of nine players lost and replaced since last year. I'm guessing the biggest challenge right now is getting them into some kind of cohesive unit--especially hard when you're dealing with the kinds of numbers T traditionally carries on the roster. He does have some outstanding freshmen, who don't appear to be intimidated by the pace of college ball or the quality of opponents they're meeting. Right now, it looks more like some of the more senior players are not meeting expectations. Again, I think that's more a question of refining what's pretty much a new game for all of them. I'm pretty sure that by the time Stout hits the second half of the season, they'll be more comfortable with each other and we'll see another dominating performance.

I was surprised at the outcome of the Finlandia game. When I saw Finlandia on the schedule, my initial response was that it was just plain cruel. Obviously, Finlandia was prepared for a battle and Stout wasn't--maybe thought the way I did: Finlandia wouldn't even be a speed bump. Score makes me think defense might have been a little weak. I didn't get to listen to the game--was it on computer broadcast?

Anyway, in sports familiarity breeds success. Other than that, a sense of team is very important and players have to accept the fact that in a machine, all parts are equally important. Don't underestimate the importance of bench players--whether in games or practice, they make a difference (thus, loss of nine can twist the personality/performance of the team). Maybe some expectations have to come up a little, some may have to come down.

I think a sense of humor is important, too. It works well for me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 20, 2006, 11:31:36 am
She might be one of the best players at softball but she's not at the top in WBB.
Where did anyone ever say she was one of the best basketball players?? 

UWPSUPERFAN77 said she was "one of the best ATHLETES," which I would have to agree she probably is.  How many other girls out there could earn 1st Team All Conference in one TEAM sport (softball) and also earn some type of All Conference recognition in another TEAM sport the following year (she should at least earn HM in basketball this season)??

Quite impressive if you ask me....... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 20, 2006, 11:39:41 am
In my long distance observation, it takes a little longer for new freshman to develop in the Stout system then at other schools.  I think it has to do with the frequent substitution patterns.  New players just don't get that many consecutive minutes on the floor, and when they do get out there I think they feel they need to "make something happen" right away.  That can lead to unforced turnovers and defensive breakdowns.  I think it takes more games to get Stout freshman comfortable and acclimated, because the minutes are so sporadic. 

FL, you mentioned that you thought the freshman were adjusting very well, so maybe my theory doesn't hold up in this case.  I wouldn't be too worried about Stout.  They have a history of taking some bad losses early in the season and then cleaning up their act later in the year.  If they still take bad losses in mid to late January, then I might be worried.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 11:55:08 am
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it takes a little longer for new freshman to develop in the Stout system

I would agree, which is why I'm impressed with the way some of these freshmen are handling themselves. Julia Hirssig comes to mind as a player who doesn't seem to be affected by new year, new team, new level of competition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 20, 2006, 06:55:49 pm
Some great observations, FL.  I, too, was very surprised by the Finlandia loss.  I have not talked to Mark but I think I will tomorrow at hoops club.  I am sure he is concerned about team play right now.   I had Kim Stokke on our half time at the Menomonie HS game last night and she talked about the adjustment to college ball and for the most part, really is excited to contribute, whenever that might be.  She seems a step slow comparded to last year, but I think she can be a nice player in Mark's system.  I, too, think this team has the potential to do some very special things by the end of this year.  I sure hope it happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 08:05:40 pm
The interesting thing about going from high school to college ball is that what seems incredibly fast at high school level gets blown away by college speed, especially the way Stout--really most schools--has played. I remember the Laura Verdegan era when huddles broke to the shout, "Fly around" or something like that. They did fly. They still fly pretty well sometimes. Stokke probably hasn't so much lost a step as met her match and better in others on the team. They were all stars on their high school teams; they become average on the college team. That, in itself, must be hard to adjust to.

My daughter attended one of her high school practices over a break a couple years ago and said she couldn't believe how slow the pace was, how little movement there was. When I watch a high school game, what I miss most is the shot clock. I just want to boot those kids in the butt and scream, "take a damn shot! do anything!"

But, I digress. The point of all this is that I don't worry too much about Stout. They ebb and flow, but they win when it counts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 10:43:18 am
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\

But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that  (scathing adjective  removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 21, 2006, 11:25:58 am
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\

But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that  (scathing adjective  removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?


Okay, I'll talk to you so it doesn't look like you are talking to yourself.  I don't know if the Texas games will be on the internet, but we (WMEQ) are just doing road games on Wednesdays and doubleheaders on Sat.s and only conference games.  The internet is about the only way to go for our broadcasts also, as our AM stations around here are a tad bit short on power.  The good part of that news is we can blab away and really enjoy the game ourselves with the knowlege that only 2 or 3 people can tune the game in because of reception.  Takes all the pressure off us.  But that internet thing can get a person in trouble.  I remember my partner and I making a snide comment about driving up to Superior for a game and I think it was you who caught it on the internet and took us to task for it.  Regarding that trip, this year I told Ed Andrist on our Sat. show that the bad news was we had to drive up to Superior for a game but the good news was when we got up there we got to play Superior.  As it turns out both the men and the women's teams appear to be better up there. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 11:44:59 am
I think UW-Superior's biggest issues--at least the women's--has been stamina. UWS can play a decent first half but doesn't have enough life left to carry on a complete second half. This year, the women did very well against Stout--especially in the second half ( :-X), which looked promising. They tanked against Whitewater a couple nights later. Nice game against St Scholastica, though. With some recruiting--Mulhern didn't really have a shot at any real recruiting after a spring hire--the depth/stamina thing will probably iron out. I think a summer program would benefit the team, as well.

You know, I've always argued that bus rides play a big part in the quality of play, which might have been a factor in the Stout-Finlandia game. You plant a team on a bus for a couple of hours, and I believe there's some drainage going on--energy, specifically. It's a little like hibernating and then trying to resume warp speed immediately.

I'll keep an ear to the internet, hoping Pam Ruder can work some kind of magic at her end.

Thank you for talking to me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2006, 04:13:04 pm
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\

But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that  (scathing adjective  removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?


Hello foul,

 Concerning Stout women's games on the internet, just keep an eye on the women's basketball part of the Stout website. If Stoutguy and Jake aren't doing the games at anytime, the SID will link to the other team's radio coverage if available on the net.

(http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3987/2986/320/379205/Dickie.jpg)

But beware, you may end up listening to a Dickie V. wannabe!  :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 07:59:17 pm
For God's sake! Get off line; the game is about to start!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 21, 2006, 09:03:40 pm
Stay on the line, the game is on the NFL network, which none of us on regular Cable get! Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 24, 2006, 03:36:10 pm
Hope you all have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 26, 2006, 07:39:45 pm
Some questions and observations: Just come back from seeing the relatives in Milwaukee. Is this site dead? FL. does your daughter play college BB or coach. If you want to tell me privately, that is fine? You have a lot of insight that I enjoy! Mr. Downtown or other UWO fans: Why did your Titans Women Coach leave last year for a smaller School? I thought Pam Rider did a great job for you guys? I do agree that Ms Trivilar is also a great BB player. I was trying to emphasise how good She was in both Sports. Looks like UWW is having a good season. Your coach is finely reaping some rewards for her hard work.  All I want for Christmas is my my two Positive Karma, My front teeth are fine. Blessings and happy New Year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 10:59:41 am
U-Super 77--My daughter used to play college basketball and soccer; through a series of unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) events, she transferred on the assumption she'd be able to play DI soccer and declare a major.  Never assume anything, especially when you don't get the full story...

Anyway, she has a nice part-time job and a major. You can't underestimate the value of a major when you're in college. I think she may even have a plan. Yikes.

Belated holiday greetings to all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 27, 2006, 01:03:55 pm
Its all rumors out of Oshkosh exactly why did Pam Ruder leave. I heard from her former players that she is getting more money to coach in Texas than in Wisconsin.

Plus, there wasn't much more she could do in Oshkosh. I think she needed a new place to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 01:10:55 pm
I' M A STARTER!!! MY WILDEST DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!!!!!!!!

Now I'm going after the PowerBall.

I don't get benched because I can't make my quota of karma points or anything, right? I know in most games (not golf, of course) points are vital (NOT vitale).

One thing I've got nailed: I can be defensive and offensive; often at the same time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 27, 2006, 04:33:00 pm
Plus, there wasn't much more she could do in Oshkosh. I think she needed a new place to go.

Yeah, I mean she already had won a national title (No, wait. She didn't. That was Kathi Bennett's last team).

Well at least she had been to the Final Four a couple of times (No, actually she didn't do that either).

Then at least she had that nice streak of NCAA appearences (No, actually she missed the NCAAs in her last five seasons, right after the last of Kathi's recruits left).

Yep, she sure did it all at Oshkosh  ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 06:09:13 pm
Final just in:  Wartburg 55, UW-LaCrosse 54. (Per Eagle website, LaCrosse' late scoring drought cost them big time).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 27, 2006, 07:32:40 pm
Thank You guys, positive karma and answers, what more could the SF get! Bill: I know she did not do a Mark Thomas or Lisa Stone, but Rider did do a good Job. Blessings to all! leaving for hazardous duty going shopping with spouse. Going to see UWO tomorrow in DBQ, even if I am sleep deprived!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 28, 2006, 12:36:13 am
Final just in:  Wartburg 55, UW-LaCrosse 54. (Per Eagle website, LaCrosse' late scoring drought cost them big time).

Ouch! Looks like they had a good sized lead, and then led again very late. Things aren't going well for them right now. Searing is playing well ... Hunter, okay. The rest, ehh ...

They should have a day off Friday against Clarke, they're awful. Could have had another game with Viterbo for a trip to the title game. Now they'll have to try to settle for consolation.

U-Super 77--My daughter used to play college basketball and soccer; through a series of unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) events, she transferred on the assumption she'd be able to play DI soccer and declare a major.  Never assume anything, especially when you don't get the full story...

Anyway, she has a nice part-time job and a major. You can't underestimate the value of a major when you're in college. I think she may even have a plan. Yikes.

Belated holiday greetings to all.

So is she not able to play soccer at all now? That's too bad, sorry to hear that. She was a pretty good rebounder from what I remember two years ago. Glad to hear she's doing well though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:18:40 am
I agree that Pam Ruder (that's Ruder with a u) did fine at UW-Oshkosh.  I just think it's a little silly to use the "she had accomplished everything she could" argument.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 28, 2006, 10:05:47 am
Based on scores this past week, our Stout/La Crosse matchup next Wed. should be a dandy.  Two very good teams in a funk right now.  I look for Stout to come out strong, but then, I have been thinking that was going to be the case every time they played this year.  Hasn't always been the case.  I still think Hunter should be playing over here.  I loved watching her play in HS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 28, 2006, 01:13:10 pm
For those of you interested in the Bluegolds/Bethel game today at 2:00, there is a problem with Bethel's website. The main server is down, so you won't be able to listen to it via internet....bummer!  Who knows, they might get it fixed, so keep trying. I intend to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 28, 2006, 01:51:47 pm
Well I don't want to say that her thinking was she would never be able to win a title at Oshkosh, because I think that's wrong. It's just that she would have to start over again this year with the team Coach Schumacher has, and perhaps she saw that in the near future and got a chance to dodge it and start over.

Who knows. It's kinda fun to imagine what would happen if Ruder was still in Oshkosh for the past two seasons. I think Oshkosh is better off with Schumacher this year, and I'm gonna say that she will make the Titans a national contender in 5 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 02:38:24 pm
After a two-week drought, I can game-track the Stout-somebody game tonight; watch two hockey games in person tomorrow; attend a women's basketball game followed closely by a hockey game Saturday. Purge and binge.

good luck to all WIAC teams contending around the country in multiple sports.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 03:54:34 pm
Halftime score:  Bethel 31, UW-Eau Claire 30. (Hit and miss on live stats).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 05:05:50 pm
Final:  UW-Eau Claire 60, Bethel 58.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 07:53:55 pm
UW-Stout/McMurry on deck:
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 08:48:06 pm
McMurry hitting the buzz saw; Stout doing line changes and mixing up players. 32-21, Stout with five minutes left in the first half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 09:02:36 pm
38-32 Stout at half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:02:57 pm
It's just me talking to myself.

21 fouls and 17 turnovers in the first half. Stout has played 12 according to game tracker, which is suspect: one of the players didn't appear as a sub in, so I suspect a number got entered wrong (my daughter once was credited with a rebound in a game she was filming). Nine players in game for McMurry. Stout not too deep into the third string yet; hasn't touched fourth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:20:00 pm
Foul

Thanks for the head-up on the game tracker.  I tried to get McMurray internet feed, but they are not doing tonight's game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:24:26 pm
I think I read on the McMurry site that only Southwestern games would get any kind of broadcast; since SW won the earlier game, tomorrow's game will no doubt be broadcast. Of course, if it's McMurry vs Southwestern, I guess I won't be tuning in. McMurry creeping up on Stout four minutes into second half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:36:09 pm
Stout goes back up by 8, but then Richardson scores 4 straight points to bring deficit back to 4.  That Richardson is killing them.  She's got 20pts with 8min left in the game.  Also, Duoss with 3 fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:39:03 pm
And McDermid with three. I didn't get the free throw situation a bit back. Jenny Mac was at the line, made what looked to be the first free throw, there was some subbing and no second free throw. She shows up a bit later fouling. Was that likely an attempted rebound on a missed free throw? I got caught up in my solitaire game and missed something. Beating myself silly, I might add.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:42:17 pm
Could have been a lane violation by a teammate.  That would wipe out the free throw attempt.  Or FL could have been trying to find a red ten to play on the black jack.

McDermid now with 4 fouls.  If McMurry needs to foul down the stretch they may be in trouble with only 2 team fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:43:31 pm
This might be a case where Stout has too much subbing going on; no rhythm developing. Are they playing, like, three minute lines?

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Or FL could have been trying to find a red ten to play on the black jack.

Very funny.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:46:58 pm
I'm thinking Stout has this one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:48:22 pm
If they make their free throws they can't lose.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:49:24 pm
That's always been kind of a weak spot. What a line of fouls!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:58:30 pm
Duoss fouls out with a minute to go; subbed in McDermid with four fouls. Yikes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:00:00 pm
Richardson is a workhorse; as many points as Stout's top two scorers put together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:01:23 pm
...and McDermid is gone 12 seconds later.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 10:10:29 pm
Stout wins, 65-60. That sets up an interesting match-up with Southwestern, TX tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 10:10:39 pm
Looks like Stout wins, barely.  They could have won by a dozen or so if they could have made their FT's.  The FT shooting down the stretch was down right awful! 

Something like 14 fouls for McMurry during the last 2 and a half minutes.  I don't think that I have seen that before!

Good win for Stout over the #9 ranked team.  Is this the game that gets Stout out of their struggles?  This is the time of year that they usually turn things up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:11:31 pm
Duoss, McDermid and Hirssig with 12 each. Two seniors and a freshman.  Hirssig knows how to step up. OK, so Richardson doesn't equal Stout's top scorers. I mis-spoke/wrote. However with 28 points, 15 rebounds, 5 blocks and 2 steals, she was definitely the player of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:18:04 pm
Good game Stout!

We needed to see this.  We don't see this much size and height in the ASC.  

Final stats show that our 2nd string pre-season AA Tarra Richardson had 28 points on 9-17 Fg 10-16 Ft with 15 rebs, 5 blocks and 2 steals against posts that we don't see in the ASC.

IMHO, the finest pure point guard in the country, McM's Symbri Tuttle had 6 assists, a steal and no turnovers against you.  That is an average night for her.

Of our top 9, we have 2 frosh, 3 sophs, 3 juniors and 1 senior.  We needed to see someone as good as you so we can work harder.  I am extremely encourgaed by our performance and see areas that we can improve!

Thanks for coming to Texas and I hope you got in some golf.

Good luck.  Maybe we meet again in the final four!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:20:44 pm
Looks like Stout wins, barely.  They could have won by a dozen or so if they could have made their FT's.  The FT shooting down the stretch was down right awful! 

Something like 14 fouls for McMurry during the last 2 and a half minutes.  I don't think that I have seen that before!

Good win for Stout over the #9 ranked team.  Is this the game that gets Stout out of their struggles?  This is the time of year that they usually turn things up.

buf, McM was giving fouls at the end.  I think that this was a case of McMurry knowing how tightly refs call the game in Texas and using it to their advantage.  You can't do anything,  the games are called so..."Naismithian"! ;)

We were hurt by Maigen Sawyer being so  so  so coldddddd!
No one else had the 3FG range tonight either!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:26:09 pm
Wish I could have been there to see it. From stats, it appeared McMurry doesn't give up easily. When Stout went ahead in the first half, it looked like McMurry might fade. To its credit, the team swung back--due largely to an inspiring game by Richardson. They must have played Stout pretty tight inside to keep Duoss to 12 AND get her in foul trouble. Dani Boese had 15 rebounds, so it seems McM may have been focusing on Duoss and leaving others free to get in.

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the games are called so..."Naismithian
Does that mean non-contact sport?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:31:59 pm
foul, yes.  They call Women's Basketball very tightly in the state.  I think that the McMurry Women just laid off the usual aggressive style and were seen as less aggressive the officiating crew.

In fact McMurry men have the reputation for being one of the more aggressive men's teams and incur large numbers of fouls in the process.  However, from our experience in the Sweet 16 in 2001 and the Elite 8 in 2000, we have leanred that is the style one must play at the national level.

McMurry's men's style is like the Sul Ross team that took Lawrence to OT in 2004, the year that Lawrence took UWSP to OT.

Good luck!  I see great things about this game.  We have a very young team!!!  They needed to see this quality of ball and they hung in there very nicely!

Travel safely!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:43:57 pm
I just need to get these virtual cards to fall in place. Travel for me will be from the computer to bed, with maybe a quick stop at the refrigerator.

I like a game that relies on finesse, skill, speed, quickness over brute force. In men's basketball, I'm not much of a fan of the big players pushing everyone around; I'd much rather see basketball over football on the court . That said, Stout basketball is pretty aggressive, although I sometimes think the players are harder on themselves than on other teams. Willingness to throw oneself into the stands or across the floor is probably more intensity than agressiveness; either way, there's lots of contact.

Basketball has come a long way for women in the past 30 years. It wasn't all that long ago that Iowa women were still playing half-court/three dribbles basketball; not much contact in that game, but I understand it was fast. Now, women come out of the locker room Saran-wrapped in ice and sporting some beauty bruises. That's progress, I guess.

Good luck to McMurry during the rest of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 28, 2006, 11:37:17 pm
As noted earlier: UWEC 60 (7-4), Bethel 58 (1-5)

Neither team had a lead bigger than 6; Bethel led at half 31-30. Blugolds had 15 steals...

Annegret Nautsch had 17, while Heather Davies had 11, to lead Bethel. Heidi Arciszewski had 12 for the 'Golds, who had great balance. Five other players had 8 or nine points - Burns, Mueggenborg, Witt, Zenner and Hakanson. Burns also had 9 boards.

This game didn't involve the host school, so attendance was only 100. Blugolds face the winner of Trinity/Manchester. Be interesting to see how many attended that game, and how many show up for tomorrow's game. Blugolds do realize how fortunate they are to draw nice crowds at Zorn...

Kudos to the UWEC SID for having the results/box posted already... Not sure who won the second game, though; neither school had results posted yet. Trinity, which received one vote in the last D3 poll, would be a good test for the Blugolds.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 11:51:25 pm
Foul, one of my favorite family photos is of my maternal grandmother in 1922 when she is teaching school in Mitchell County TX, 70 miles west of Abilene. (2002 Jostens finalist Kendra Anderson (HSU) was from Mitchell County).

The photo shows her at recess coaching girls 3-on-3 half court basketball in the middle of a cotton field in the middle of winter. (The cotton has been harvested and there are no leaves on the mesquite trees, so there is still a chance for a frost.)  The players are wearing hats, dresses, and lace up shoes. :o

She is running down the court/cotton field with her apron securely tied around her waist and her hair held back by a scarf. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 02:00:10 am
Ralph -
Hi. Great post about the olden days...

Are the lace-up shoes and scarfs precursors to today's high tops and headbands?  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 29, 2006, 10:52:38 am
Bulk: I remember the Thomas vs Stone BB games at Zorn. I lived in EC from 92 to 97, and regretted moving to Lancaster. While I always wore Orange and Blue, I always loved watching Coach Stone. UWP was wiped out last night to Bejmeja State 91-51, Only bright spot was Fr. Liz Wisdom with 22points and 12 boards. Great posting. FL: Are you a Stout Alumnus with your great passion for the Devils. Nice win against a great team. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 12:21:30 pm
Talk about six degrees of separation: Superfan 77--I graduated from UWEC a loooooonnnnggg time ago. Did a year and a half at P-ville for a BS in secondary ed. More recently, my family lived in Bagley, WI. If your reference was to Lancaster, WI, you might know Bagley. The kids went to River Ridge for a year before we packed up and moved north. Younger daughter went to Stout, where I swallowed my earlier loathing (UWEC days) and embraced both soccer and basketball programs. Unfortunately, she couldn't stir up an interest in hospitality management or fashion design; she toyed with the idea of majoring in golf course management (GOOD IDEA!!!) and packaging (????) before moving on to Greener Bays. The rest is history. Oddly, she now works part time at FedEx, where she sees plenty of packaging.

Re Olden days: I can't go through Bloomer, WI without thinking of women in ballooning pants.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 29, 2006, 12:35:06 pm
La Crosse with a breakfast time tip-off this morning struggles to beat a B-A-D Clarke team by 12. They did take control midway through the 2nd half and pull away but up to that point it appeared to be a struggle. Hunter and Searing play well again. They aren't getting much else from the perimeter ... which is where they are struggling right now. Palmer goes 0-for-9 from the field today and hasn't shot well in a couple weeks. Not sure if she has what Geissler has or what.

Speaking of which ... you guys mentioned the FT line for Stout yesterday and I just looked ... 14-for-31. OUCH. The Geissler's go 2-for-11. Lindsay may be getting the 3-pt shot back though, 5-for-12 the last two games after a 3-for-31 start.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2006, 01:08:21 pm
My father was born in Bagley, Wi.   I remember an old school house that had a fire escape that was a big slide down the side of the building. 

The WARHAWK women had little trouble with Judson last night.  Jumping to a 44-20 half time lead they were never threatened after that.  Their full court pressure was more than Judson could handle and created the majority of their 29 turnovers.  Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 13 points and 8 rebounds.  Dana Thompson added 10 points in 15 minutes.  The final was 72-55 impoving the WARHAWKS record to 9-3 on the season.   

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 02:15:49 pm
I was just on the WIAC site and I see that UWO's games this weekend have been cancelled.  I assume its weather?  I know they were having bad weather in Denver the past few days.  Maybe it stretched up to the Northwest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 02:41:11 pm
Or perhaps they had to connect through Denver and there was no way around it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 02:54:24 pm
Snowing up here--stopped just as I wrote that. I attributed its arrival to, possibly, some bellowing coming out of Southwestern last night as McMurry made repeated surges during the Stout game. I suspect T has the lung-power to alter the jet stream.

I didn't think anyone came from Bagley; but then, I live in Wentworth. Bagley at least has a hotel; Wentworth has a...a...sign.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 04:30:29 pm
I was just on the WIAC site and I see that UWO's games this weekend have been cancelled.  I assume its weather?  I know they were having bad weather in Denver the past few days.  Maybe it stretched up to the Northwest.

The Oshkosh team's home page has an explanation of the cancellation:

http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/index.html

Too bad!  I know how much planning goes into these trips and how much fun they are for the team.  Not to mention the loss of two games on the schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
In first ten minutes of game, Stout over Southwestern by 17. Is Ruder laying in the weeds?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 04:48:11 pm
Snowing up here--stopped just as I wrote that. I attributed its arrival to, possibly, some bellowing coming out of Southwestern last night as McMurry made repeated surges during the Stout game. I suspect T has the lung-power to alter the jet stream.

I didn't think anyone came from Bagley; but then, I live in Wentworth. Bagley at least has a hotel; Wentworth has a...a...sign.
Man, we tried to come back, but those big Stout players just held us off. :-\  We gave 4-6 inches per player and probably 30 lbs.  The Stout depth neutralized any conditioning advantage that we have had over other teams, e.g., the SCIAC's last December and Oneonta State (SUNYAC) and Guilford (ODAC) last month.

We needed to see that quality of team (Stout), especially in December!

I am glad that Coach Ruder can bring those WIAC teams to Texas.  There are 4 really good women's programs in the ASC West (HSU, HPU, McM and a developing UMHB), plus Trinity TX and the program that Coach Ruder is trying to build.  I would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:57:15 pm
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I would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every year
With normal December weather as it is in WIAC-land, I believe there are many teams who would like to be down there for a tourney every year.

Stout up by 20 at half.

Ralph--doesn't McMurry have three six-footers? Or am I thinking of the Southwestern team?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 05:22:21 pm
Looks like McMurry had a good game against Concordia.

SW in foul trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:28:22 pm
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I would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every year
With normal December weather as it is in WIAC-land, I believe there are many teams who would like to be down there for a tourney every year.

Stout up by 20 at half.

Ralph--doesn't McMurry have three six-footers? Or am I thinking of the Southwestern team?
Foul, technically the roster lists four 6-footers, all 6'0".  Each of them is tall and slight. The "biggest" player that we have for having a big "presence" on the floor is probably Jabri Butler at 5'10".  (You know how a player can have a big "presence"; some size of course, but a basketball sense that gets her to where she needs to be before anyone else realizes it, and when she is there, she can "muscle" players off their games.)

Our starters go 6'0 (Richardson) 6'0" (Nelson), 5'7" (Sawyer), 5'6" (Horton) and 5'3" (Tuttle).  Off the bench, we bring 5'7" W (Amanda Peters), 5'10" P (Butler ), 5'6" G (Lewis) and 5'10" P (Erica Peters). 

I thought that Duoss (6'2"), McDermid (6'1") and Boese (6'1") seemed to be interchangeable as double posts.  Throw in Hirssig (5'11" F), Edwards (5'9" G) and Oeltjen (5'8" G).

After looking more carefully at the rosters, I must revise the "4-6 inches" difference in roster heights, but the actually size difference is still formidable. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:31:40 pm
Okay, let's play "D3 Fantasy League".  I protect Richardson, Tuttle and Nelson and trade even up for Boese.  You can have any other player. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 05:53:51 pm
UWEC leads Trinity at the half 30-29, despite only shooting 32% and having 12 turnovers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 07:03:36 pm
UWEC wins 69-56 over Trinity.  Heidi A leads EC with 17pts.  Three others in double figures for the Blugolds.  Good win for EC. 

EC was down 48-43 when I picked up the game in the 2nd half.  They ended up going on at least a 13-0 run to lead 56-48.  I think the announcer said that EC was down by 9 in the 2nd half.  Good FT shooting by the Golds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 29, 2006, 07:18:06 pm
Nice job lady bluegolds!  Watched the live stats at work...;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 09:11:33 pm
Yep, as noted, Blugolds win to move to 8-4, heading into the second-half opener with Whitewater at Zorn on Wednesday...

What a big difference it makes having an 8-4 record, vs. 7-5 or 6-6, had they lost during this tournament... Congrats to the 'Golds, who were 27-32 from the charity stripe = 84.4 %. That will win a lot of ball games, ladies and gentlemen...

I'll give them some slack, because the students are on break, but there were only 150 fans at the game today; Trinity has averaged 170 so far.... Makes the turnout at Zorn, 570 per so far, look good, heading into conference play, where the numbers should jump...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 30, 2006, 10:25:11 pm
.......around the rumor mill in UWO country is that the girls missed their tournament in Washington because of coaching errors as to what date they were scheduled to leave exactly.  If thats the case, that's too bad for the titan women.  2 less games on the schedule with a tough game coming on Wed to open up conference play against Platteville then turn around and get the Blugolds who are coming off of 2 great wins in Texas on Saturday.

Should be another great 2nd half of the season in the WIAC, expect the unexpected

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2006, 10:22:57 am
.......around the rumor mill in UWO country is that the girls missed their tournament in Washington because of coaching errors as to what date they were scheduled to leave exactly.  If thats the case, that's too bad for the titan women.  2 less games on the schedule with a tough game coming on Wed to open up conference play against Platteville then turn around and get the Blugolds who are coming off of 2 great wins in Texas on Saturday.

Should be another great 2nd half of the season in the WIAC, expect the unexpected

And the 28 inches of snow in Denver had nothing to do with it.  ::)

Don't put up baselss rumors unless you have something to confirm them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on January 02, 2007, 03:07:08 am
When you are a former student at the university and best friend of the women's basketball team it seems pretty simple to be able to confirm such things.  So I guess there's my "proof" for you Bill that you wanted me to let you know that I had attained.

The snow would have probably hampered them, but when you get to Milwaukee only to realize that your flight was the day before....the snow seems to not be the only answer huh?

The girls tell the truth, and thats what they tell me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 03:36:04 am
No offense, but that's not actually proof. Only in the talk radio world is an unnamed source considered actual proof.

You not only are citing an unnamed source but you are unnamed yourself. There is zero reason we should believe one word of your posts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 09:46:38 am
So.....who can put a speed bump in front of Stout women? And can they count down below Sweet 16 this year?

Can UW-Superior get a conference win or two?

Will the media leave Brett Farve alone--ye gods! Is there nothing else to contemplate?

Happy 2007 to all, including unnamed sources and posters with interesting names. Mine, by the way, does not refer to obscenities but rather those penalized activities on the court called out and counted by refs.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 10:37:55 am
So.....who can put a speed bump in front of Stout women? And can they count down below Sweet 16 this year?

Can UW-Superior get a conference win or two?

Will the media leave Brett Farve alone--ye gods! Is there nothing else to contemplate?

Happy 2007 to all, including unnamed sources and posters with interesting names. Mine, by the way, does not refer to obscenities but rather those penalized activities on the court called out and counted by refs.



1.  No more speed bumps for the Stout Women.   They are  on a roll and it started in Texas.
2.  I am impressed by Superior's new coach and they will win this year.  (2 games, at least)
3.  I was more impressed by Bobby Knight's tears than I was with Brett's.  Remember he cried in the locker room last year too and then returned this year. 
4.  Your name reminds me of the person who said, "I enjoy the game more if I don't know the rules.  It puts me on the same wavelength as the referees".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 11:33:29 am
I am pretty sympathetic to refs, in general. Just as I believe a player sees the game differently from the coach, I think the people in the stands see the game differently than the refs. I think I've seen two--at most three--games in which the refs played a part in the outcome. Out of a gazillion games (maybe that's an exaggeration), two or three isn't bad. Objectivity makes a big difference, too. I questioned why my daughter's high school basketball team never fouled while she played but did afterward...mysterious :-X

I think many people in the stands are far worse as both spectators and participants/judges than refs. I was at a hockey game (hockey up here is pronounced with an elongated 'o' so that it sounds a little like someone clearing his or her throat) last week during which parents attending with their peewee or squirts or mites or mini-mite kids (whatever the heck those little tiny hockey players are--just slightly larger than pucks) were saying some pretty obnoxious things to the refs. And we wonder where kids get their attitudes.

I wonder why it is 'fans' scream at the refs when they 'miss' a call that would favor their team but never scream as wildly when the refs miss a foul by their own team? Another mystery.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 11:50:38 am
Sounds like you are more sympathetic to refs than I am, and that makes me feel a bit guilty because I'm "one of em".  Tonight, for instance, I will ref the JV game at our HS and then run up to the booth and do the color for the varsity broadcast.  I am guessing at some point I will question a call.  Thank you for helping me "keep my perspective".  I do get frustrated when refs play a bigger role in the outcome than I think they should.  My number is way bigger than the 2 or 3 that you mention.  I agree, however, that fan reaction to players, coaches, and officials is far more frustrating than the officials.  Having worn the hat of the parent, coach, and official helps a little bit, but fan reaction to games is the biggest frustration for me.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2007, 12:09:49 pm
Sometimes it's hard to tell whether a critical call by a referee in the closing seconds or turnovers you had in the second quarter were the reason you lost.   99.9% of the time you lose in the closing seconds because you put yourself in a position for it to happen. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 12:24:00 pm
Right on, BW, and that's a mistake fans, players, and coaches are all guilty of.  I am always amazed at how much attention we all make to that 5th foul call and how quickly we forget about that stupid reach in foul in the first quarter. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:01:30 pm
Absolutely. If the game is so close that the last five seconds makes the difference between winning and losing, then the teams are pretty evenly matched and the big factor is time.

I guess there's a reason games games are not set up to be just five seconds long--the other 59 minutes, 55 seconds (or whatever the normal time frame is less five seconds) play a part in the outcome.

Here's the thing that really annoys me: team A is up by ten with 30-seconds left in the basketball game. Team B starts fouling. I understand 30 seconds is a long time; I'll give team B that first foul to try to get things going. However, if team A is making free throws, team B is only likely to bury itself deeper. Fouls in the last half minute of a game committed clearly to get the ball should be penalized--especially if it's fairly obvious it's not going to turn the game around. Give the fouled team three free throws instead of two.

Or when a coach calls a time out to strategize the final 3.8 seconds of a game in which his/her team is five down. Really, what are the mathematical odds of winning that game?

I know; some team somewhere has done it, and I'm betting I get examples of it working. But, really, don't you just hate it? Be honest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 01:16:23 pm
I think that often that 3 second time out or the fouls long after there is no chance is the coaches way of telling the world that he isn't quitting.  But, yes, I hate it too.  I also find it amusing that the coaches try to beat each others brains in any way that they can but then for some strange reason, it isn't okay for that poor reserve that finally gets into the game to try to make that last basket with time running out because they are way ahead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:52:38 pm
...Or a team is up by 20 with a minute to go and three of the winning team's five starters are still in the game :(

C'mon. In life or death, I can see it. High school or college games? No.

You know, if I ruled the world...possiblities are endless
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 02:25:48 pm
...Or a team is up by 20 with a minute to go and three of the winning team's five starters are still in the game :(

C'mon. In life or death, I can see it. High school or college games? No.You know, if I ruled the world...possiblities are endless

You know, we call it a game or contest and it gives us an excuse to be really stupid.  Don Murray once said, "People understand contests.  You take a bunch of kids throwing rocks at random and people look frantic, but if you hold a rock-throwing contest-people understand that."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 04:03:50 pm
I need an excuse to be stupid...? :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: girlsbballfan on January 02, 2007, 06:18:04 pm
No offense, but that's not actually proof. Only in the talk radio world is an unnamed source considered actual proof.

You not only are citing an unnamed source but you are unnamed yourself. There is zero reason we should believe one word of your posts.

I too heard that the titan ladies got to the airport a day late and a dollar short.  All I will say is I know the individual that booked the flights and she received a phone call that the team went to the airport on the wrong day.  Of course the snow in CO didn't help, but if they had gotten to the airport on the correct day they wouldn't have been traveling through Denver.

Coach double-checked that each girl had a ticket, but never thought to check the day? I don't want to know how much was spent on those tickets, but I'm sure the airline isn't going to reimburse them!

I feel sorry for the players and especially the parents that were already in Seattle!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 06:45:20 pm
Well, at least a post from that e-mail address carries a little more credibility.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 09:08:03 pm
Well, not now that you've changed your e-mail to something fake.

If you dind't want your e-mail on it you shouldn't have registered with it. The Terms of Service are fairly clear on that point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 03, 2007, 10:18:41 am
I need an excuse to be stupid...? :o

FL-----None of us need an excuse, but there are times when we could use one.  I wanted to let you know that your Superior Men's coach is working hard for you.  I did a HS game in Menomonie last night and he was "way down here" recruiting a very nice Altoona kid. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 03, 2007, 02:07:08 pm
that stinks for UWO....you can point fingers all you want but no matter who was to blame it just sucks for them....


picks...

UWL
Point
WW
UWP

I saw everyone had a lot of good games over break....let's hope the good play continues in the WIAC!!!


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 04:28:22 pm
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he was "way down here"
Everything is 'way down' there from here. I haven't met the men's coach, but I believe both new coaches are doing some heavy-duty traveling to make up for the significant disadvantage they were in by being hired so late. I hope they find some good kids.

A while back a student criticized the men's coach on the Student Sound Off Board, because he was yelling at his players. OMG!!!  :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 08:13:48 pm
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 03, 2007, 09:38:15 pm
Wednesday night scores:

Point defeated Superior 84-48

Oshkosh defeated Platte. 61-49

Stout defeated La Crosse 68-52

Eau Claire defeated WW 62-51

ST      4-1
EC      3-1
LC      3-2
SP      3-2
WW    2-2
RF      2-2
OSH    2-2
PLT     1-3
SUP    0-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 03, 2007, 10:17:16 pm
UWEC over WW.

EC comes out on fire and takes a 21-7 lead.  WW chips it down to 8 at the half.  EC maintains about a 10pt lead through the first 10min of the 2nd half.  Then WW goes on a huge run to take a 3-point lead.  EC responds quickly and within a couple minutes they are back up by 10. 

Excellent game by Burns (29pts, 13rebs).  Witt and Mueggenborg came off the bench to provide a late spark.  Heidi A. hits double figures.

Beuchner lead WW.  WW really played physically tonight.  I thought EC was in big trouble when WW took the lead.  I thought they might be worn down a little.  But, to there credit EC picked it up when they needed to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on January 03, 2007, 10:26:38 pm
Freshman Arin Lane was phenomenal tonight in Oshkosh's win over Platteville. In 24 minutes, she scored 16 points, grabbed five boards to go along with four blocks and three steals. She seemed to be involved in everything in the second half.
Knapp and Tyriver scored their points, but Lane was the difference. With Sharpee having a down game, the Titans needed Lane tonight.
Freshman Beth Hebl also had a nice floor game and defensive effort in her 25 minutes.
If Lane can do half of what she did tonight and Sharpee bounces back after a few not-so-great games, Oshkosh is a nice sleeper team. The kids are starting to play really well and gain confidence. Get your wins over the Titans while you can. Time is running out.
Don't get me wrong -- they are not the Blue Devils or probably even close to matching them -- but they have a very nice team. Then again for every game like tonight, there's a St. Nobert-type game in them as well. Having so many freshmen will do that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 03, 2007, 11:42:00 pm
As Buf noted:

It wasn't pretty, but the Blugolds grind one out against Whitewater, winning ugly...

It was a rather physical game; seemed like subtle elbows and handchecks were being used by both sides... Lot of players on the floor, too, with no calls made...

Whitewater was pressing early, but the 'Golds were able to get a few cheap buckets on lapses by the Hawks... Whitewater used a lot of effective double teams on D, too. Forced 27 turnovers, which is one of the uglies for UWEC... Big factor - UWEC was 25-58 (43%) from the field, vs. 21-72 (29%) for Whitewater...

'Golds led the whole way, until Whitewater went on a 15-0 run to take a 47-44 lead with about six minutes to go... 'Golds then were sparked by threes from Rachel Mueggenborg and Heather Witt to go on a 13-0 lead to basically end it...

Michelle Burns showed some range and demonstrated why she's an all-conference calibre player, scoring a career high 29, with 13 boards. Amanda Zenner added 9 boards. Lindsey Buechner had 16 and 9 to lead the Hawks, while Emily Peters scored 10...

Good crowd - 855 - on a night where verterans of our armed forces were honored for their service to our country. I clapped for you all, but let me say thanks here, ladies and gentlemen...

OshDude - Blugolds are coming to town on Saturday!


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 04, 2007, 08:59:03 am
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.

The "Other half of that starting 10" was really impressive yesterday.  I have not seen Stout for several weeks and I was impressed.  They appear ready to make a serious run.  Stout has beaten La Crosse 24 straight times now, and I just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that game. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 09:16:20 am
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I just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that game
LaCrosse has a way of stepping up when it comes to post-season play. Was it two or three years ago they gave Stout some trouble in playoffs?

Re: UWSP vs UWS--I guess that won't be a conference win for Superior. I find some comfort in the palindromic score. No Jenny Carlson, a usual starter. I know she was thigh-wrapped at the last game up here, and I know she has one bad hamstring, but I don't know if the problem was with the good hamstring or bad and I don't know if it was injury that kept her out of the game.  I also don't know if having her in the game would have made a difference. Might have only lost by 20.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 09:57:34 am
It must have been "lopsided streak night" in the WIAC last night.

Stout beat La Crosse for the 24th straight time and Stevens Point beat Superior for the 23rd straight time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:04:25 am
It wasn't that long ago--two seasons?--that LaCrosse was one of the perennial WIAC losers. There was a big-hurry turn-around last year? LAX got a couple of players and made some nice moves up the W column. I'm hoping Superior does the same thing. Lacking that, I hope to win the lottery. Even with the turn-around, I wouldn't mind winning the lottery
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:13:03 am
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.

The "Other half of that starting 10" was really impressive yesterday.  I have not seen Stout for several weeks and I was impressed.  They appear ready to make a serious run.  Stout has beaten La Crosse 24 straight times now, and I just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that game. 

A veteran observer of McMurry women made a similar comment about Stout's depth to me when she saw UW-Stout at Southwestern.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 04, 2007, 10:33:33 am
On the Stout thing...


I will be the first to admit that Stout has a ton of depth but sometimes that seems to plague them. In games I have witnessed sometimes it seems that Coach Thomas gets very frustrated and it becomes line change after line change....I think the time when Stout is at their best is when he gets a good 8 person rotation going and gives the girls  a chance to get something going instead of yanking them after a TO or something. Obviously they are a running all up in your face team but sometimes they benefit from slowing down and letting Duoss get the ball in an offense set rather than transition. But on the other end I have seen him make line change after line change and there seems to be no difference between the groups that come in. It is kind of hit or miss I guess...


Definately surprised about the seperation in scores last night expected a lot closer games WW/EC for one!

props to the winners.....big weekend coming up!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 10:44:15 am
I've said a similar thing for years.  When Stout was stuck in that 3rd/4th/5th place rut, I always said if they would just dial back the speed a little bit it would save them 5 turnovers and 5 bad shots a game and probably result in 10 more points.

I think it wasn't until Duoss arrived that Stout believed they could set it up and pound it inside from time to time.  I think that has been the biggest change that pushed Stout into the top 2 of the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:47:32 am
C4H--I think you're right; the hockey-like line changes can be a benefit or a bane, depending on the night. When it isn't working, Thomas may stick with it too long in an attempt to force it to work or he may jump the gun in seeking a fix. There are, after all, many reasons why something may not be working: individual players are having off nights; the other team is playing the stuttering substitution to its advantage rather than its disadvantage; there's some kind of burp in the cosmos. You can kind of see the tinkering when the first or second line has a new member or two. That's when things can get messy, because the chemistry--which was apparently wrong in the first place--gets even more confused. Or, he may find just the right combination for the night/game. Imagine mixing perfect barbecue sauce every single time for endlessly changing meat. The thing is, Stout has a near-endless list of ingredients to choose from.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2007, 10:16:44 am
What is up with River Falls??  Big win over Point, but a couple of bad, bad losses to Macalester and St. Scholastica.  They would seem to have plenty of talent.  Is it a concentration problem?

http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/WBasketball2006-2007/WRF-CSS.HTM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 05, 2007, 09:57:41 pm
What is UWsuperior doing this season. They have a good nonconference record?  But, they have no wins in conference. Is it a same so same so team as usual? I will give you a review as i am seeing them play the Pioneers,an up and down team tomorrow. The game is at UWP,so it looks like a nother loss for the Yellow!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 05, 2007, 10:55:08 pm
I actually think the 'Jackets are playing better basketball, but they don't have the depth or nearly the skill level of the other WIAC teams. I think recruiting has been weak, at best, although I think that's changed with the new coaches for men and women. I don't think the women have done nearly as much off season work, so they come in to every November already lagging in conditioning and settling. They show up well against smaller DIII schools, and sometimes they even do well in conference, although they're in their second year without a win there. I think they beat River Falls two seasons ago--or was it three? Time flies.

I keep hoping to see the women be competitive, but they just never have enough talent. Katie Moench is a good scorer, but there aren't enough of her. I think Amanda Rounsville will do well, but she can't play 40 minutes and lately she hasn't been doing the scoring she should. You know, they just get outclassed, sad to say. But, this is the first year in a long time they've had a real coach. Sandy Eilertsen knew how to play basketball; I'm not sure she knew how to coach. Probably won't see the wins this year, but at least all the losses aren't these ugly blow outs. Well, River Falls and Stevens Point were, but otherwise scores have been respectable.

And I believe bus trips take about 15-20 points out of a team and every trip for UWS is pretty long--shortest conference trip must be Eau Claire at just over two hours. Compare that to EC-Stout-River Falls configuration, where the teams can practically walk to each other's  venues.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 04:52:31 pm
At the half, UWO and UWEC tied at 24.  UWO goes out to a quick 10 point lead.  EC plays pretty well late in the half.  Same old for UWO as Knapp and Tyriver are basically doing everything for UWO.  Zenner lead UWEC with 10.

UWL leads Cardinal Stritch at the half 36-34.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:31:13 pm
A couple close games both with 5min left

EC leading by 1 over UWO

UWL trailing by 1
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:45:35 pm
UWO with 6 straight FTs lead by 4 with a 1:27 left.  EC has gone ice cold the last 10min.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:55:50 pm
UWO goes 8-8 on FTs in the final 2min and wins 48-42.  When the Play by play comes out, it will be interesting to see how many points UWEC had in the last 10min or so.  EC only shoots 29%.  These low percentages have been common this year on the road.  Bottom line in this one is that UWO's top players (Knapp & Tyriver) played well and UWEC's (Heidi A. & Burns) didn't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 06, 2007, 06:00:18 pm
Oshkosh 48, UWEC 42

Oshkosh dictates the tempo throughout, and the Golds, who got the looks they wanted down the stretch to try to catch up when trailing by a couple of hoops, weren't able to knock the shots down...

Knapp had a nice first half for the Titans, but seems as if Heather Witt was able to bother her the second half, and shut her down. Titans shut down Michelle Burns, who scored 7, and according to the 'Golds radio announcer, frustrated Heidi Arciszewski, who had five points and was 2-11 from the field. 'Golds were only 1-12 from three-point lane...

Whitney Tyriver had a nice game for Oshkosh, finishing with five boards, six assists and 21 to lead them in scoring... Knapp had 11, most in the first half, when the score was tied at 24 at the break...

Not sure of her status, but Oshkosh's center, A. Lane, went out with an ankle injury in the first half and I don't recall hearing her name the rest of the game... Hope it isn't serious...

Both teams are now 3-2 in conference play, if memory serves me correctly...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 06, 2007, 06:58:22 pm
EC goes scoreless the last 3:30 or so. UWO does not make a FG for the last 7:30, but hits 11-12 FT's to take the lead and seal it. Just a gutsy game all-around for everyone on UWO. Lane did not return after the injury at about 16:20. But unexpected minutes went to Dempsey, Southworth and Abits, and they played a heck of a game. Nice win for UWO, and I believe its 6 or 7 straight over EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 07:15:36 pm
I found my answer.  EC only scores 3 points in the last 11 minutes of the game.  WOW!  I knew it wasn't going to be good, but I didn't know it was this bad.  Actually, UWO only scores 13 points in the last 11 minutes.

A couple of thoughts on EC: 

1. I see Fremstad only got 13min today.  Is it because of injuries or just not playing well?  I wonder if her body is getting beaten up.  She plays so physical but has such a small body frame.

2. Anyone know whats up with Voelker?  She hasn't played in the last few games.  I don't think she was on the bench for EC in the WW game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 08:15:50 pm
Stout takes the early advantage in the conference standings with a 71-68 victory over Point.  Clutch offensive rebounding off of missed FTs late in the game secured the win for Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 06, 2007, 09:54:10 pm
Voelker has left Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 10:32:58 pm
Voelker has left Eau Claire.

You know why?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2007, 12:39:59 am
WARHAWKS take it to River Falls 72-46.   RF's only lead was 2-0.  WW builds a 17 point lead with four minutes in the first half before RF cut it to nine at half, 32-23.  That's as close as RF would get after that as the lead grew to 19 points in the first four minutes of second half.  WW's full court pressure gave RF fits and created the bulk of their 28 turnovers. Four freshmen paced the scoring with Nicole Bundy going 9-10 from the free throw line and finishing with 16 points while Rachel Woolever went 4-5 on three pointers to score 14. Heidi Sontag went 3-3 from behind the arc adding 11 points and Dana Thompson also scored 11 with strong play under the basket.  Tiffney Morton paced the WARHAWKS with 7 as the WW dominated the boards, 40-18.   

WW creeps over the .500 mark at 3-2 in conference play and 10-4 overall.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:12:39 am
Voelker has left Eau Claire.

You know why?

I do Buf, but I don't really want to go in detail on this MB. Players and parents can read this stuff.  I think the best way to sum it up is to say Eau Claire wasn't the right fit for her. Good luck to her wherever she goes!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:14:56 am
On another note, how about this WIAC conference? It sure is hard to get a win on the road in this conference. Is that the way it's always been that some of you basketball junkies remember?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2007, 03:57:57 pm
On another note, how about this WIAC conference? It sure is hard to get a win on the road in this conference. Is that the way it's always been that some of you basketball junkies remember?

No.  In the mid to late 90s it was either UWO or EC on top, with Stout trailing close behind.  In fact, I think it was 3 straight years that UWO and EC met each other in the Elite 8 of the national tournament.  These top 3 teams would just basically lose to each other and no one else (home or away), maybe 1 loss against the other six.  There wasn't a whole lot of differece between playing on the road or at home back then.  Now days, the conference's depth has really improved making it more difficult to win on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 10:38:38 pm
What you said in your last sentence is pretty much what I've heard too.

At least there's more of an element of surprise as to who's going to win on the road instead of it always being the same three teams playing each other. But it sure would be nice to get those wins on the road. The Bluegolds are like two different teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 08, 2007, 09:27:34 am
What you said in your last sentence is pretty much what I've heard too.

At least there's more of an element of surprise as to who's going to win on the road instead of it always being the same three teams playing each other. But it sure would be nice to get those wins on the road. The Bluegolds are like two different teams.

Funny that you mention this.  Just yesterday I was at Sheels in EC and had the nicest conversation with Michelle Burns (What a class act she is).  Anyway, we were talking about how they handled us at EC but how difficult it seemed to be on the road.  She said it just always feels more comfortable at home but that will have to change if they want to compete.  Also, Michelle, in case you read this stuff, you were right on the money regarding what happened to the RF men's team at WW.  BOOM---DYNAMITE.  (thats an inside joke)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 08, 2007, 02:02:09 pm
sounds like some good games this weekend....Was busy so I didn't get to see play by play of any games...sad weekend huh?

I was very surprised on the RF/WW games...RF just seems to be falling apart after a strong start....after checking that box score i noticed Kelsey Hendrickson has yet to see the floor...I heard she was out for the year?? any insight?? I heard she is a great player so I am just curious as to when she will be able to add her ability to an already growing WW program
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2007, 10:12:01 pm
Superior women beat St Scholastica who, according to statistics, beat River Falls on 4 January. Superior gave up eight point leads a couple of times before completely losing their grasp and getting tied up in regulation time. They come back in overtime and win by seven. One starter, Jenny Carlson, is out with a stress fracture. Carissa Nord has seven threes and ends the night with a gazillion points. Moench is uncharacteristically quiet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 09, 2007, 10:05:24 am
Been too busy to blog and I just caught up with my reading.UWP vs Platteville, I saw the game. i was impressed with the UWS coach. he made good substitutions and was on his team and the officials. he got a technical foul, but he had a beef on a timeout in which the player slid and may not have had possession when the TO was called. Katie Moench is a very good player. considering her talent she was too team like, meaning she needs to shoot more. She was defensed well. Breeana Herzog played the game of her life, but fouled out early in the 2nd half. I thought Amanda Rounsville is pretty solid at Center, only tall player on team, As to my pioneers we need to be more physical. We are young but have a lot of Talent. We shot well from the 3 zone, but our post players had a poor game offensively.LisaWubben is back in form. For a review of the Mens game, see the West BB site. thank you and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 10:24:59 am
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i was impressed with the UWS coach
I like the UWS coach, but he's had a few technicals. Maybe he needs to learn when to lay off, unless he thinks that will motivate the team. I tend to think most technicals just put the team farther behind. I know sometimes it's good to have the coach go to the mat for you (as a player), and it can give the player a sense of support. I do think Mulhern subs well; unfortunately, his bench is pretty light.

The big problem I have with Moench--from a spectator's POV--is that she doesn't always seem to know when to be selfless vs when to be selfish. I've seen her pass off when, clearly, she should have taken the shot; and then she can drive and shoot when there's no way in the world she can make it. I tend to believe driving into a crowd is generally foolhardy, and if there are four defenders clustered under the basket, there are likely three teammates wide open somewhere. When she's hot, though, she can chew up a basket. That was Nord last night. I like Nord.

Rounsville is tall and solid; I keep forgetting that she's only a sophomore and she's a transfer. I expect more from her, because I watched her play strong basketball from a freshman in high school, and then she only got stronger. College ball is different; she's on a new team; new coach. The next two years will be good for her.

I completely missed the weekend game. Had to go watch hawckey.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2007, 03:38:29 pm
I was just on the WIAC page looking at tomorrow's  broadcasted games  (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/radiobroadcasts.html) and noticed that some games will be videocast by I-FAN.  From looking at the I-FAN schedule, it looks like this company will be broadcasting high school and college sports in Northwest Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 04:33:50 pm
I-Fan has been broadcasting high school and college games up here (Superior area) for a couple of years. Last year, it was offering view for a subscription; this year, I see it has sponsors, so games are free. I have been able to watch hockey and basketball. The great thing is that although the Superior community/college doesn't seem to want to support women's hockey enough to do even radio broadcasts, I can watch games on the computer. Picture is small, but that may have more to do with my settings. If you have a DSL link, it's like watching TV (a small one). If you have dial up, it's more like watching hiccups. AND, if you miss the game, it archives broadcasts, so you can watch them later.

Sunday, I watched Badger-Gopher women's basketball on TV and Superior-Concordia women's hockey on I-Fan. Last night, it was UWS-vs St Scholastica on I-Fan. It's a great service, and I would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription to support it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 09:30:11 am
I couldn't bring this site up last night at home. Was it unavailable or was it a problem with my computer? I'm in the midst of a war of words with my internet provider, so they may have blocked some of my special interest sites. Buzzards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2007, 10:14:08 am
I didn't have any problems bringing the site up last night.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 07:59:58 pm
UW-Sup women choke on a ten point lead in mid second half and end up losing by12, or something, to Finlandia. Two key players start out in street clothes on the bench; Nord gets hurt in first half and is un-uniformed for the second half. Soupers pretty flagged ten minutes into second half. Katie Moench has 25 or so points; maybe 22, it's all  lost in a cloud of disappointment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 08:46:11 pm
Pointers lead Eau Claire 32-20 at the half. Lechault busting out with 10 points (on 5-5 shooting) and 6 boards. Archie leads EC with 7 points.

UPDATE:  Live stats crashed midway through the second half, but Point wins 64-44.  Van Gomple leads Point with 13 on 3-3 3-point shooting.  Lechault adds 12 on 6-6 shooting. Pointers shoot 50% for the game.  Arciszewski scores 13 and Burns 12 (plus 10 boards) for the Blugolds.  EC shoots just 27.6% for the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 10, 2007, 10:57:22 pm
The Blugolds crashed, too, although that's not really too accurate, since they only had a 6-5 lead at one point, if I recall correctly, never to lead again. More like stalled out... Listened on the Net feed, which was pretty cool.

Not sure why or how to solve it, but the road woes continue for the Lady Blugolds. How can a coach address this? Maybe the U should pay for six buses to ship half of those who are attending the games in EC to the road games. That way there'd be a good Blugold crowd, to make them feel at home!  ;)

They're back in Zorn in a few days, though, where they are undefeated this year, and will will play three key games, starting with Platteville on Saturday, then Superior and La Crosse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 11:07:19 pm
Back in the day, the high school team I followed was having the opposite problem.  They would win on the road, but struggled mightily at home.

Finally, the coach had enough.  He booked a bus, loaded the team up and drove to their opponents high school (about 20 minutes away).  He let them get out, stretch their legs and then loaded them back up.  They arrived at their home gym, wore dark jerseys, sat on the opposite bench and won the game going away.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2007, 11:21:21 pm
RF blows a 10pt lead with less than 5min left and loses by 1 at Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 10, 2007, 11:59:47 pm
Went to the UWW vs my beloved Pioneers tonight. it is always a great night to be a Pioneer, whether we win or lose. Game was 26-24 at Half. It was very ugly, as UWP had 20 turnovers in first half. in the 2nd we went stone cold, while the hawks heated up. UWW has a lot of depth and lplayedvery well.Only 211 in attendence, only about 6 or 7 from Whitewater. The UWW full court press dominated us just like the recent UWRF vs UWW game. Lisa Grantman played point guard, i feel she is a much better forward. She stuggled with 12 turnovers, this affected her offense with only 2 points. She is a good player, but not tonight. Game will be on tv later on fox Sports net. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 11, 2007, 12:03:12 am
Tough loss for RF. They have a better team than their record. However, they should keep their heads high giving the lady bluedevils a scare. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 11, 2007, 09:08:57 am
The top 4 possible reasons BDB was MIA at Johnson Fieldhouse last night...

  1.  Offer of free post-game beer from the Mayor was impossible to pass up.
  2.  GM duties called at the Dunn County ice arena.
  3.  Bank error...  had to work into the wee hours of the morning to correct.
or
  4.  Had to play host to the choir from St. Joes...

Anyway, in my opinion he missed some strange player line-ups and a nail-biter at the end.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2007, 10:08:49 am
WARHAWKS improve to 4-2, 11-4 with a solid 69-50 road win in Platteville.  After shooting only 32% in the first half and holding only a two point lead, 26-24, the HAWKS picked it up to 53% and used two runs, 9-2 early and 11-2 to finish the game, to outscore the Pioneer 43-26 in the second half and win going away.  Platteville had 28 turnovers, 14 of which were steals by WW.  Lyndsey Buechner led the way with a stat line that read 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 steals, 2 assists and a block.  Tiffany Morton added 14 points and also had 9 rebounds.  Trisha Thill finished with 11 points.

Winning on the road anywhere but Superior in conference play has been a problem for the lady WARHAWKS in the past so this was a nice win to get.   The game with Stout Saturday should be interesting as both teams have such similar styles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 10:18:07 am
Headline of women's basketball story on UW-Superior website:

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Loins Second-Half Offense Too Much

Things were worse than I thought: nothing badder than offensive Loins
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 11, 2007, 12:36:05 pm
Headline of women's basketball story on UW-Superior website:

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Loins Second-Half Offense Too Much

Things were worse than I thought: nothing badder than offensive Loins

Gosh, this reminds me of the line in the movie "Smokey and the Bandit"  when our hero, talking to his son says, "I can't believe anything as stupid as you could come out of my loins." 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 12:45:08 pm
I watched the Stout women's game last night while at the Superior men's game. It was great except for the three or four times the message scrolled across the bottom, "changing media," just before the screen went blank. And, although I enjoy play-by-play commentary, I don't think the person has to be quite to inclusive as to what's going on on the court, especially if it's video. The poor guy was trying to keep up with each pass, each dribble, each look. I remember the Stout audio guy doing that last year, too, and thinking these guys should listen to WMEQ for a few games. If we know who's on the floor and generally what's going on, we can fill in the individual movements. I can even live with description-by-number rather than names. I do feel sorry for a single person trying to cover a game, though. Must be very lonely.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:30:54 pm
I guess posters are too intrigued with football right now to care about WIAC basketball. Pffffft.

Superior women win their first conference game in two years, taking LaCrosse down 63-62. Superior is still without starters Jenny Carlson and Carissa Nord, who would have contributed defensively and offensively, respectively.

Sidebar: Beth Haworth got married last night, played very well today, despite turning an ankle and having to be rewrapped a couple of times (if you turn an ankle twice is it a turn and a return?).

My strategy for the rest of the UW-Superior women's season: marry off a basketball player a week. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:34:09 pm
OK. What's wrong with the WMEQ feed?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 08:44:28 pm
EC defeats Platteville in an UGLY game.  Halftime score was 22-15.  Better play in the 2nd Half by EC.  Witt and Mueggenborg had really good games for EC.  Nobody really stood out for UWP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 08:49:08 pm
UW-Stevens Point women down MSOE by some 30 points or so--no surprise there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 08:54:59 pm
Thank you Buf and FL: I hope the UWSup player can get a honeymoon for a couple of days off to celebrate the victory! As to UWP, what stood out is22 turnovers, shooting that could not hit a barn, and no spark, according to the radio broadcast. I do not feel we will play well until we get back into running our halfcourt offense, by not turning the ball over and getting it up the court a lot faster. The radio said that EC played good perimeter offense by not allowing any open shots and clogging the passing lanes. Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 09:38:49 pm
Final = UWEC 58 (10-6, 4-3) , UWP 41 (8-8, 2-5)

foul language - no shotgun wedding for any YellowJackets before they come to Zorn on Wednesday!  ;) Congrats to Superior for knocking off UWL. Blugolds can not afford to look past them on Wednesday for Saturday's match against the Eagles...

Buf had asked earlier about the number of minutes for the 'Golds Missy Fremstad. Today, I think Coach Englund was forced into making an adjustment, and go with the hot hand, rather than any scripted substitutions, if there is such a thing; Heather Witt had a super game off the bench, and earned the 28 minutes she got today...

Witt was a spark, and had career highs in steals and assists (five) and rebounds, with 7, and six points. As buf notes, Rachel Mueggenborg had a nice game, too, with 12 points, on two threes and some nice moves to the hoop... Michelle Burns lead with 14, Heidi Arcizsewski adds 10.

Pioneers were led by Liz Tesch, with 14. The Blugolds changed up on her a lot defensively, with players rotating on her as subs came in. They did a nice job, and she was frustrated... Not a lot of firepower today (16-56 for 28.6%) from UWP, who are just about as young, if not younger, than the 'Golds...

Halftime was 22-15 Golds...

And, dare I say it, lest I jinx them, the 'Golds were perfect from the charity stripe, 10-10. Oops, I shouldn't have said that.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 09:45:51 pm
Thank you for your good summary! I already gave you Karma on the mens site. only 1 karma per day to keep the Doctor away. Have a nice weekend and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 10:31:00 pm
RF defeats UWO 47-32.  UWO only shoots 21% and has 25 turnovers.  RF not much better at 34%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 10:51:35 pm
Since I mentioned the pep band for the men's game, I better acknowledge the kids from North Star Middle School, too. They did a fine job tonight, too, performing for the Lady Blugolds' game tonight, and even learned the UWEC fight song. Nice to have some music in the arena during the breaks, I think, rather than dead silence...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:02:49 pm
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RF defeats UWO 47-32.  UWO only shoots 21% and has 25 turnovers

It's a bad game when your turnovers approach score. What a low-scoring game. Was this a game of tremendous defense on both sides or really crappy play on both sides? Sounds like a high school score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:04:04 pm
P.S. Bride selection begins Tuesday...maybe marry her off to one the basketball players on the men's team. They could use some help, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 09:28:14 am
OK. What's wrong with the WMEQ feed?

we didn't realize there was anything wrong (other than the usual incompetence of color guy).
That means you missed the best post game interview EVER.  I am talking to Dani Boese immediately after the game (22 points, 12 boards, awesome game) and she is telling us how she likes the Stout style and she says, "I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".  Then she gets this terrified look on her face as if to say, "oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that on the radio."  It was the best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 14, 2007, 01:21:06 pm
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"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".
Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.

Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 02:43:50 pm
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"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".
Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.

Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.

I agree.  With a very favorable schedule now (lots of home games), and players like Boese, Oeltjen, and Hirssig really stepping up, I don't see anyone else in the conference touching them. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2007, 04:48:32 pm
How bad is Duoss' injury?  I heard she has tendonitis in one of her feet.  She hasn't played much or putting up the numbers she did before the injury.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2007, 05:19:41 pm
It's been awhile since I've posted here, but now that football is pretty much over, and we're at the midpoint of the WIAC schedule, I think it's time for me to jump in and try to catch up...

I want to thank BadgerWarhawk for providing the tickets for my grandson and I to attend the Stout/WW game yesterday!!!  Afterwards we went out to the Lone Star and went over the good, bad, and ugly of the game.  And there was some of each.... ;D

Dani had a sneaky good day.  I realized she was being effective both at scoring and on the boards, but was surprised by the 22/12 finish for her.  She really appears to have a bright future.

Mrs. Champ called me at halftime from Washington DC to update me on what had happened up in Superior!!!  She's out there for training but was listening to the WMEQ broadcast to follow our UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils!!!

That's great for Superior and I hope they win all the rest of their games this season with the exception of any games played at Johnson Fieldhouse.... :)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 15, 2007, 12:42:22 pm
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"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".
Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.

Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.

I agree.  With a very favorable schedule now (lots of home games), and players like Boese, Oeltjen, and Hirssig really stepping up, I don't see anyone else in the conference touching them. 

i think we are forgetting they have to travel to Point who always plays them tougher at home.....home team has a history of winning the battle between these two teams....don't start crowning anyone yet
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:02:22 pm
You are correct about the Point trip, but I just think Stout is playing better than anyone else right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:09:56 pm
How bad is Duoss' injury?  I heard she has tendonitis in one of her feet.  She hasn't played much or putting up the numbers she did before the injury.

I think Duoss' lack of numbers the past two games are not so much a result of an injury but of some limited minutes. (foul trouble and Mark's desire to motivate her to dominate more than she does while she is playing).  She may have some tendonitis but I am not aware of that.  In Mark's system, it does not matter if you are the star or nonstarter.  If you do not perform, you sit down in a hurry and sometimes you stay there for awhile.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2007, 03:40:25 pm
....don't start crowning anyone yet

"If you want to crown them, then crown their ass!"

I can't resist sliding in great Denny Green quote anytime I can.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2007, 03:49:22 pm
I am talking to Dani Boese immediately after the game (22 points, 12 boards, awesome game) and she is telling us how she likes the Stout style and she says, "I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".  Then she gets this terrified look on her face as if to say, "oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that on the radio."  It was the best.


She really played well.   None of our bigs did an effective job defending her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 15, 2007, 04:05:47 pm
I hesitated to make the sweep absolute, which is why I used the word "cleanish".

T will make anyone sit, but he tends to give some players a benefit of a doubt. It's not easy to break into the elite ten; you have to come in with credentials to get the second, third, fourth chances. Watch the regular players; they do and always have had their share of turnovers and bonehead plays. That bench below the top ten doesn't get those second chances to make a first impression. They screw up, they're gone. You may think that makes sense, but who knows what talent is lurking down in that bottom 12 player group? Given the chance to get into a comfort zone, they might show some surprising talent, as well. How many times do you see one of those people come off the bench late in the game and sink some great shots, make some great defensive play. They aren't always playing the second string opponent, and they're coming in cold after something like 35 minutes of game.

Which brings me back to a discussion I raised and raised again in the past: why take your talent to a school where it will sit hidden behind a bunch of established players? If I were a high school senior with some talent, I might be looking to a school that needs one or two more players to bump up to highly competitive. I guess I'd be looking at Oshkosh or, yes, Superior.

Bottom line, if you aren't recruited to one of the top-competing schools, go elsewhere if you want to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 pm
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 12:21:42 am
How many times do you see one of those people come off the bench late in the game and sink some great shots, make some great defensive play. They aren't always playing the second string opponent, and they're coming in cold after something like 35 minutes of game.

They may be coming in cold, but they are going up against players that are tired and realize that they aren't going to win the game (in many cases).

I've watched (as you know) T's teams for many years, and I have seen starters moved backwards on the depth chart as younger players prove themselves.

Oshkosh may return to be a power in the future (they've been one of the top programs) and Superior may be on the rise for the first time. 

If you are a HS senior that could be one of those "one or two players more players" that would help take a team to the next level, you would have to be good enough to get significant playing time on any WIAC team.

And if you happen to go to a school that has an excellent program already, you just might end up becoming a better player because of better coaching and a better supporting cast to help you perform better.

But as SUPERFAN posted - "go to the school that has the best program for your goal".  That's more important than playing time IMHO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 09:21:07 am
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!


There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers.  ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 17, 2007, 10:06:04 am
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!


There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers.  ;)


maybe this is what they are missing to get into the playoffs.... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 17, 2007, 10:08:55 am
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!


There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers.  ;)
You know, BW, if the Packers would just change their name to Packagers, Stout graduates could have a shot.  We have a packaging major.  I asked a Stout football player a couple years ago what he was going to do with his degree and he said, "I'm not sure.  Package, I guess".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 11:09:14 am
What is the starting salary range for a packager these days?  :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 01:25:53 pm
I love this site!

Only on D3Hoops do we start with how athletes choose schools (and I absolutely agree the first decision an athlete makes is what he or she is looking for in academics and uses athletics as secondary or lower criteria; however, some kids have absolutely no clue when they graduate from high school...or later) move on to a school that offers a major that sounds like another major that can be applied to another subject that etc. etc. etc.

These interactions are so much better than the snipey ones. Thank you all for a great laugh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 02:24:21 pm
What is the starting salary range for a packager these days?  :D

In GB, I here they pay those Green Bay Packagers quite a bit.  Starting pay for a backup Packager is several hundred thousand dollars I here.  I understand one of those guys that is sure to go to the Packager HOF is going to make 9 or 10 million dollars this year.

It doesn't pay that well in other parts of the country though...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 03:36:33 pm
hey foul language -

Any last-minute weddings I should know about before I head over to Zorn for the Blugolds/Yellow Jackets game tonight?  ;)

The win over UWL has caught the attention of the team here...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:28:49 pm
I ain't talkin'
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:33:57 pm
Addendum to last post: We'll have to work out a romance by Friday night in order to be ready Saturday.

On the weekend menu: Friday night (besides the wedding...TBA)=men's hockey; Saturday=men's basketball at 1 PM; women's hockey at 2 pm; women's basketball at 3 pm; men's hockey at 7:05 pm.

there's a lot of wooing to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 06:20:41 pm
The win over UWL has caught the attention of the team here...

It better have gotten the attention of every team in the WIAC!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 06:37:44 pm
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In GB, I here they pay those Green Bay Packagers quite a bit.  Starting pay for a backup Packager is several hundred thousand dollars I here.  I understand one of those guys that is sure to go to the Packager HOF is going to make 9 or 10 million dollars this year.

It doesn't pay that well in other parts of the country though...


Then you have the 38 year-old Packager, making $10 million a year, who just doesn't pack like he used to pack but can't decided whether to hang it up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 06:51:49 pm
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but can't decided whether to hang it up
Of course, you meant he can't decide whether to pack it in, right?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 17, 2007, 10:15:20 pm
UWEC wins fairly easy over Superior behind a strong second half.  Witt again provides an immediate spark, getting her first start.  She did a good job with ball pressure and anticipation, leading to a lot of steals.  Superior quietly was only down by 5 at the half.  Moench is a real good player and Superior has improved quite a bit from past years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 10:55:16 pm
UWEC 72 (11-6, 5-3) Superior 43 (7-9, 1-7)

Superior played fairly well for the first half, and only trailed 26-21, on some threes to stay close and put a scare into the 'Golds. Had it not been for the maybe a half dozen bad passes, it could easily have been tied or Superior ahead going into the break, since it wasn't really a matter of UWEC playing poorly...

Not sure who said what at half in the lockerroom, though, since Superior did a Jekyl and Hyde. It was like a totally different team out there for Superior. Just didn't have it the second half. And then, when it rained, it poured, and the 'Golds went on a 9-0 run to basically put it out of reach... Superior only made five shots in the second half, including three threes.
 
Heather Witt did start and her intense pressure defense is turning into a layup drill on the other end. I think Amanda Zenner had a nice first half, scoring six of her eight of her points then.

Michelle Burns leads with 16, while Heidi Arcisewski added 15; they combined to hit 13 of their 18 shots, which usually bodes well for the team... As a team, the 'Golds hit 21 of 30 in the second half, when everything was going in, to finish at 50.8% for the night... Bench got some playing time, and Jodi Lindner was able to hit two nice jumpers...

Ashley Laidley gave it her all for Superior, scoring 10, but more impressively getting 11 boards. Katie Moench leads with 14, on four threes and two FTs...

But the key to the game was turnovers - 32 to 14 in favor of UWEC; 'Golds scored 33 points off them...

But my player of the game came off the bench tonight for UWEC. Missy Fremstad brought her usual hustle, intensity and scrappiness on D, but also had six points, including a pair of shots that were nails in the coffin, as they put the 'Golds up 14 each time, instead of making it a 10-point game at about the 13-minute mark... That - 14 - was as close as Superior was able to get the rest of the game.

Of course, since I noted the perfection from the free throw line in the last game, 10-10, I did jinx the 'Golds, who were only 4-8 from the stripe. And boy, was it really a jinx, too. I have never seen someone shoot a free throw line drive that got pinned between the rim and the backboard, getting stuck!  ;) It was a hoot! Michelle Burns then used another ball to knock Heather Witt's errant toss out, but not in for a make. Ha. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 06:52:06 am
Positive karma for the Bulk. The honeymoon must have been over with 32 from UWS! I do think the Lady Bluegolds can make a run for the NCAA if you play up to your potential, especially on the road. You have a good coach and plenty of talent. You admitted being a big guy, so maybe you should switch your number to bulk 91, you have a quarterback number! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2007, 09:58:21 am
I could only watch for six points into the second half, and then I could read the writing on the wall. Between the dismal performance--after a kind of promising run at the end of the first half--in the early second half and the announcer pronouncing Heidi 'Arciszewski' Andrewski--which I didn't understand at all; how do you get ANDREWski out of Arciszewski?--I couldn't stand it. So, since I was AT the men's game and it looked promising, I shut the old laptop down and concentrated on losing the men's game. Which I did. You're welcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2007, 10:29:43 am
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but can't decided whether to hang it up
Of course, you meant he can't decide whether to pack it in, right?


DUH, how could I miss such a stupid pun?  I'm slippin'.

The WARHAWKS got a important win last night 68-59 over the Titan.  After a turnover WW got rolling and built a double digit lead in the first five minutes of play which they maintained until the Titan made a run over the last four minutes to cut the margin to only three points, 36-33, at half.  The Titan continued that run  with the first basket of the second half, a three-pointer, to tie and after a couple minutes of going back and forth were able to maintain the lead which eventually grew to six points.  They held the lead until the eight minute mark when Trisha Thill made a pair of free throws to tie and take the lead 52-51.    Oshkosh regained the lead two more times, the latest with about 3 minutes remaining, but a turnover and two missed shots allowed WW to build a six point lead which was built upon down the stretch.   Lindsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS with 17 points and pulled down 7 rebounds.   Trisha Thill added 10 points and had 4 assists.  

Whitney Tyriver, Becky Knapp and Kayla Sharpee led the Titan with 20, 16 and 15 points respectively.  Knapp and Sharpee each had 9 rebounds.

Some factors in the game...

1. Free throws.....WARHAWKS shoot almost twice as many (37-19) and make more than twice as many (27-13).  Though a tad shakey in the second half (14-24) the WARHAWKS drilled them in the first (13-13).  

2. Turnovers....Though only a one turover difference (21-20) in favor of the WARHAWKS 13 of them were steals which led to some easy baskets and allowed the WARHAWKS to maintain a fast pace of play.  

3. The benchs....If you take away the playing time of Arin Lane who had foul trouble and sat a lot the remaining Oshkosh starters averaged almost 34 minutes of play.   WW's starters averaged 20 minutes.   WW's bench outscored the Titan's 28-3.  Plus the WARHAWKS went 10 deep off their bench and with only 9 dressed I think fatigue may have been a factor down the stretch for the Titan.

WARHAWKS improve to 12-5 overall and 5-3 to maintain their spot in the four team log jam that is second place in the WIAC.



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 18, 2007, 12:56:25 pm
WARHAWKS improve to 12-5 overall and 5-3 to maintain their spot in the four team log jam that is second place in the WIAC.

Who's in first... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 09:25:54 pm
Stout, Stout, Stout! At least this will divert some attention from the FB situation. I notice that my beloved Pioneers play you guys twice on Saturday! I wish I could come up but I have to work on Friday and Saturday. A old SF still needs some sleep! I should stay off the UWWBWCR site talking Football. They must have given me negative Karma. For you women posters this means University Of Wisconsin Whitewater Band Wagon Chat Room, AKA the WIAC Football site. God Bles! PS I could use some poitive Karma to get me under - 20!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2007, 10:19:39 pm
PSuperfan -

Yes, I alluded to being a big guy, perhaps an offensive lineman, in a post earlier, but bulk19 is suitable, not bulk91, because I'm actually the size of, oh, say, maybe a kicker or punter. Ha... ;)

Who's on first? I don't know... No wait, he's on second...

Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday.  :)

Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...

Blugolds will be looking to pay UWL back on Saturday for an earlier loss in LaX. Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 19, 2007, 08:32:53 am
Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...

Getting the fans in the stands is important.  It let's the teams know that they have support!!!  Nothing worse than playing in a (virtually) empty fieldhouse.

WIAC ATTENDANCE - Season to date (listed alphabetically):

Home attendance for UWEC has averaged (per WIAC statistics) 634 per game.  The high game was 1163 vs. Stout.

Home attendance for UWL has averaged 288 per game.  The high game was 490 vs LaCrosse's Viterbo college.

Home attendance for UWO has averaged  428 per game.  The high game was 942 vs. UWEC.

Home attendance for UWP has averaged  346 per game.  The high game was 480 vs. Stout.

Home attendance for UWRF has averaged  175 per game.  The high game was 233 vs. Superior.

Home attendance for UWSP has averaged  379 per game.  The high game was 577 vs. UWO.

Home attendance for Stout has averaged  1133 per game.  The high game was 1531 vs. UWSP.

Home attendance for Superior has averaged  215 per game.  The high game was 334 vs. Finlandia.

Home attendance for UWW has averaged  233 per game.  The high game was 808 vs. Stout.

It'll be interesting to see how the numbers look at the end of the regular season!!!


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:28:45 am
How does a perennial losing team (Superior) manage to average bigger attendance than another team (River Falls)? Does RF only seat 200? Standing room only when Superior was there?

Note: highest attendance at RF coincided with a big effort. Until the fiasco at EC Wednesday, that was the worst drubbing of the season--also the first drubbing of the season. Yes, yes, I understand the RF loss was actually worse in terms of points, but the loss at EC was awful in terms of dashing hopeful expectations.

BTW, there were many in the stands at the last Superior men's game; all the hawkey--men and women, I believe--turned out. They were unusually subdued. The last time I sat in front of the hawkey men, they were pretty raucous. Must be saving their energy for the weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2007, 04:36:30 pm
For Oshkosh and Superior fans

Believe it or not, 90.3 WRST-FM will be making the trip to Superior to broadcast both Men's and Women's basketball games.

I'll have the call for the women's game, TitansRus will have the call for the men's.

you can listen to the stream by visiting this link: www.uwosh.edu/wrst

Superior peeps,

Is there anything to do in Superior? Any good places to eat? Or should we just keep on hiking up north to Duluth 
 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 19, 2007, 09:49:11 pm
Positive karma for the attendence comparrison! I love our women in the WIAC. However, women will not have equality in Sports until all the fans care by showing up. Only Stout and EC have had great attendence at BB games in the womens Division. I was hoping that the Doubleheaders would increase attendence. When the women play at UWP, after the men, half or more of the crowd goes home! This is especially the case with the older fans in the padded seats,many of them in the mens Booster Club!I am 52 myself, so I am old too! I just wish they would give the women a chance! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:15:21 pm
Re: eating in Superior
If you're looking for fine dining: the Boathouse
Down and dirty big burgers and beer: the Anchor (DO NOT ask for a drink with an umbrella or a wine spritzer)
Pizza: VIP on Tower;  or Thirsty Pagan, where you can wash the pizza down with a microbrew
Decent food at Barkers Island; organic-type at Braunvieh (I may have made that name up, but the place is on Tower, next to the library); Hammond Steak House; the Shack at the far end of Belknap. Used to have a good Cajun place, but it mysteriously shut down one night.

We have food. More variety in Duluth, but it's bigger. The Anchor really provides the most local color; the atmosphere is a little intimidating, but the food is memorable.

Anything to do?!!!! If you're spending the night, the big hawkey game of the season will be happening when St Norberts comes to play UWS.  I understand St Scholastica beat St N tonight across the bridge (must have been a hell of a battle...), so the Norbies should be plenty irate tomorrow.

There's also the accordian museum...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 19, 2007, 11:40:33 pm
I am 52 myself, so I am old too!God Bless!

Super, you know I like you, and I keep your karma down to, well, -20. But I am 51 please do not refer to us as old. Peace.  :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 03:34:37 am
Re attendance:
Here's to put things in perspective regarding the terrific attendance at UWEC (634 per game) and Stout games (1,133 per game) this season -

Although the NCAA site doesn't have teams ranked on attendance this year, here are the top teams nationally in attendance for the past seven seasons listed on the site:

2005-2006
1) Hope 1,329
2) Stout 1,172
7) UWEC 838

2004-2005
1) Bowdoin 1,192
2) Stout 1,134
5) UWEC 881

2003-2004
1) UWEC 1,105
3) Stout 901

2002-2003
1) UWEC 1,294
4) Stout 881

2001-2002
1) Stout and Hardin-Simmons tied at 816
4) UWEC 658

2000-2001
1) UWEC 847
No other WIAC team in top 10

1999-2000
1) UWEC 1,196
No other WIAC team in top 10

These are national rankings! Here's hoping the 'Golds can boost those numbers up even more in their last three regular season home games...

Believe me, Coach Englund does a great job in asking for fan support and in encouraging the fans to come out for the games. She also makes it a point to recognize the great crowds at Zorn, and does a terrific job of thanking the fans for their support. The players do not take this lightly, and realize how special they have it in EC. They don't take it for granted...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:12:40 am
In EC womens BB is #1, becauseof the legacy of Lisa Stone, followed by the present coach. Also, you have a large percentage of womens students. A winning combination. blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 02:59:32 pm
EC women average 634 for home attendance
EC men average 424
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 20, 2007, 08:00:32 pm
Hope you Oshkosh guys got some good food in Souptown, because the game sukked. Sometimes I wasn't sure whose side Superior was on. I suspect our players had more assists on UWO points than UWO had on their own. Aaaarrrggghh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:09:15 pm
Typical UWStout victory in Johnson. Announcers said that UWP coach said it was a rebuilding year. i do not know, I think our first 6 can play with anyone. i feel we are underachieving. hail to the lady Devils. god Bless!. Close game for about 27 minutes. They wore the Pioneers down with their depth and defense. Liz Tesch played well against the bLUEDEVILS, AS SHE ALWAYS DOES! Lisa Grantman good all around game. Gurnsey Freshman point guard with 11 points , her first double digit of the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:13:18 pm
Sorry about the poor editing, my Goodbye ended up on top when i edited. This is why i had a seretary type my reports when i was a Social Worker. you guys are stuck with my typing !Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:20:04 pm
EC with a big 2nd half surges past UWL by 15 or so.  Both teams shoot pretty well in the 1st half and head into the lockerroom tied at 33.  However, both teams quickly cool off in the first part of the second half.  The difference is that EC caught fire in the last 10min of the game.  I think they were leading 46-42 and ended up going on a 14-0 run to lead 60-42. 

Ashley Anderson really picked up her game tonight.  It is nice to get inside points and rebounding for a change.  EC will need her to play like she did tonight for the rest of the season if they want to challenge for the conference title.  Good all around effort for EC.  Witt got her 4 or 5 steals again tonight and Heidi A really took charge down the stretch in the 2nd half after she struggled in the first half.  No Fremstad for EC, who was dressed in street clothes.  I caught some of the post game on the radio and it sounded like an illness??  I don't know what her status is for the huge Stout game on Wednesday.

Searing really stood out for UWL.  Abby Johnson is back playing again.

Good crowd at Zorn!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:34:32 pm
UW-River Falls 68, UW-Stevens Point 44 at Point   

What the ................!  RF sweeps Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 09:55:09 pm
Final UWEC 66 (12-6, 6-3), UWL 49 (11-7, 5-4)

With the win, and UWSP losing to River Falls, UWEC pulls into second all alone in the conference race... Headed to Stout on Wednesday; rumor has it that the Blugolds, who have had the road woes, will be wearing their home golds... ;) Stout's playing well, but the Blugolds have been playing much better, and smarter, than when they beat Stout the first time around...

Buf - Missy fell vicitim to my jinx; I gave her my player of the game award for Wednesday's game.  ;) She had her left hand/thumb wrapped; not sure when it happened. Don't think it happened during that game, but maybe in practice thereafter? I was able to get back to my car to hear the tail end of the postgame wrap on the radio, and it sounded like she may be able to go vs. Stout...

As noted, by buf and the radio announcers, Ashley Anderson was the player of the game... Scored 10 points in the paint, played with a lot of confidence and wanted the ball inside. Her presence and play could be keys to how long the 'Golds extend their season after conference play concludes...

Heidi Arcisewski leads with 19. I don't know how she does it, but she quietly puts up the points; made 10-11 from the free throw line. But she and Michelle Burns, who added 14, are also able to muscle the ball up and in in traffic better than most of the players in this league... Rachel Mueggenborg had two big threes, too...

Kary Searing lead the Eagles with 17. 'Golds D, especially Burns, was able to limit Mackenzie Hunter to just 8, on 4-13 from the field. A local, she had a good fan club on hand in the UWL cheering section...

Tied at half at 33. Golds were able to shut down UWL to just 16 points in the second half - 9 from the field, on just four shots made, and seven from the stripe. That's impressive...

Good crowd again - 1,213, which will boost that season total up nearly 700 per game... Need to take them all to Stout on Wednesday!  ;) And bring along the South middle school pep band, too, since they did a great job entertaining during the game...


 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 10:01:56 pm
buf - you're always a step ahead of me on here.

I'm taking credit for the UWSP loss, by the way, as part of my continual jinxing I've been able to pull off here: As noted in my Jan. 18 post - Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday.  :)

Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on January 21, 2007, 01:46:35 pm
Missy has some messed up ligaments in her left thumb.  Whether they are torn or not, I don't remember.  She is hoping to play on Wednesday though......which hopefully she does as she can keep up with the run and gun.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 04:49:10 pm
Missy has some messed up ligaments in her left thumb.  Whether they are torn or not, I don't remember.  She is hoping to play on Wednesday though......which hopefully she does as she can keep up with the run and gun.

Fremstad is really good at shreading the press.  She is just like Becker was last year, able to bring the ball single handily down the court.  While Witt is good, she hasn't really faced a "Stout" press before.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 21, 2007, 09:34:17 pm
We'll need everyone to step up on Wednesday against Stout. No fouls, good perimeter shooting, good post playing. Mugsy is the best 3 pt. shooter, so if she's open that ball better get passed to her. It was real obvious last night that certain players DO NOT pass to her.  Not the first time that has happened either. Anybody else notice that?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 10:47:12 pm
Hopefully, Mugsy left off where she did last year at Johnson Fieldhouse.  If I remember correctly, she shot the 3-ball very well that game.

I don't really notice other players not passing the ball to others, however I am usually just looking at the player with the ball.  The only thing I sometimes notice is when the ball handler doesn't pass to open players down the court on fastbreaks.  However, since EC does happen to make a lot of turnovers on forced passes, I can understand why they would not want to take the risk.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 22, 2007, 08:52:42 am
Looking forward to a classic matchup on Wed.  Two great teams, two great programs, two great coaches, and a great rivalry.  I have the utmost respect for both of these teams.  I think the biggest factor in this game is the "home game" thing this year.  For whatever reason, it seems so important.  Hope the posters give a good account of how the game goes as I won't be able to see it.  We will be doing the Men's game.  (Our station always does the away game on Wed.)   Someone tell Michelle Burns that  someone should be saying "BOOM!  DYNAMITE"  all night.  She will know what I mean.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 22, 2007, 09:59:13 am
Too bad, you will be missing the better game. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:07:34 am
Conference Seedings Update

Well...this is the first time cause I totally forgot about doing it on Wednesday.


1   Stout                8-1
8   Platteville          2-7


4   Stevens Point      5-4
5   La Crosse            5-4


3   Whitewater         5-3
6   River Falls            4-5


2   Eau Claire           6-3
7   Oshkosh             4-5



Big game at Kolf on Wednesday, with the Pointers traveling to Oshkosh. On paper, one would think that the "Teen" Titans wouldn't be able to play with the Pointers, but try telling that to Eau Claire and La Crosse (who won on a buzzer beater). Don't expect it to be easy Pointer fans.

 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:12:14 am
Of course, the Eau Claire and Stout game should be interesting, too!


Eau Claire just seemed out of it when they played in Oshkosh, and we all know they just simply cannot do it again when playing the Blue Devils.

I know they have a 2 game lead, but Stout really needs this one. A loss to the Blugolds means a season sweep for Eau Claire, which could mean in the end that the bid for the national tourney would go through Eau Claire, not Menominee.

Also, La Crosse and Whitewater is a big time game. A chance for the Eagles to bounce back, which they have to, and also another chance for Whitewater to prove that they are a contender.

Big time games this Wednesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 22, 2007, 01:19:34 pm
Buf & Bulk- if you're going to the game Wed. night yell extra loud for me, okay?
Can't go, gotta work. :(   Will have to try and listen while at work.

I'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 22, 2007, 01:31:59 pm
I had the pleasure of sitting through the RF/UWSP game on SAturday......the only pleasure being that the buzzer sounded before RF could push it above 30....props to RF they made it look easy....it is very disappointing to see a UWSP team play the way they did....usually they play with a lot of intensity...Saturday they looked like deer in headlights
Oshkosh has been a home away from home for Point the past few years.....i hope to see a confidence boost in this game!

it looks like Wednesday will be a big day for Bluegolds and Bluedevils....i must say i am rooting for EC on this one!!

good luck to everyone this week! I unfortunately won't see any WIAC games for a while now so keep me updated!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:49:38 pm
I know they have a 2 game lead, but Stout really needs this one. A loss to the Blugolds means a season sweep for Eau Claire, which could mean in the end that the bid for the national tourney would go through Eau Claire, not Menominee.

Absolutely this is a big game.  Of course, the I94 rivalry is part of that too.

A win makes a statement to the rest of the teams in the WIAC that the Blue Devils are the team to beat.  A win essentially puts them three or more games up on everyone but Whitewater (assuming a WW victory on Wednesday - which is not a given).

There is only one sure way to get a bid to the NCAA Tourney, and that is to win the WIAC Tourney. 

Sweep or no sweep - putting three games together in the WIAC Tourney is key!  Playing all three of those games on your own floor is a huge advantage. 

Which is what makes the EC/Stout matchup on Wednesday so important - it's another step towards earning home court advantage for the WIAC Tourney.

Lot's of key games this week:

Wednesday

UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie
UW-La Crosse @ UW-Whitewater
UW-River Falls @ UW-Superior
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Oshkosh

Saturday

UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Platteville
UW-River Falls @ UW-Oshkosh
UW-Superior @ UW-La Crosse
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Stout

Depending on who wins/who loses, the conference seedings could look different at this time next week!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:54:15 pm
I'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!

Well, we pulled a fast one and replaced the floor, just to unfamiliarize the Lady Blugolds... ;)

Seriously, we did replace the floor - I think it was two years ago - but I don't think confusing the Blugolds had anything to do with the decision.

I too would like to see a good game - and a home team win!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 01:26:23 pm
Waaaaaay many years ago, the Stout-UWEC men's rivalry was huge. I took a student bus to Stout to watch one of the games but for some reason didn't have a ticket to get in. The place was so packed, I was not allowed in. When Stout came to UWEC, I sat on that ramp thing, where radio broadcasters sit, because I knew the president of E Club. Zorn was always packed so tight, you couldn't even sweat.

I often wonder what would have happened had there been a fire. Had it occurred during a game, I doubt anyone would have left. Nice to see that women's games are having the same kind of draw.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 23, 2007, 01:37:07 pm
Oh, so true, FL.  That men's rivalry was classic for many years.  I may have mentioned this before on here, but I asked the current Stout men's team about their favorite rivalry games and not one of them mentioned EC.  For old folks like ourselves, isn't that sad?  Sorry, I realize this is women's board, but I think FL's last post threw me for a nostalgic loop.  Knock it off FL.  The women's game will have that kind of intensity Wed. at Johnson, I think.  "The times, they are a changin"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 05:54:06 pm
FL and SG

It wasn't that long ago that going to the women's Stout/EC game at Zorn, we purchased our tickets to the EC/Stout Women's game in advance and showed up at least an hour before tipoff to:

1.  Insure we had a ticket
2.  Insure we had a seat

When Bulk19 posted his DIII attendance figures a few days ago, it reminded me of that...

I know that in the 2002 - 2003 season (UWEC's record attendance year  - 1294 average), the "official" attendance at Zorn for the Stout/EC matchup was 2500.  According to the UWEC website - official capacity of Zorn is only 2450!!!! :o :o :o

This year attendance was down to 1163 (less than half) for these same two I94 rivals.

Last year we put 2076 fans in the seats at Johnson Fieldhouse for this matchup - I'd like to see a lot more than that tomorrow night!!! ;D

But more importantly, I want a "W" for the home team!!! 8)  ;D 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 23, 2007, 05:59:35 pm
I'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!

Well, we pulled a fast one and replaced the floor, just to unfamiliarize the Lady Blugolds... ;)

Seriously, we did replace the floor - I think it was two years ago - but I don't think confusing the Blugolds had anything to do with the decision.

I too would like to see a good game - and a home team win!!! ;D ;D ;D


Shame on you....hey, I heard the game was moved to Eau Claire....:)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 06:02:44 pm
Shame on you....hey, I heard the game was moved to Eau Claire....:)

Don't you wish... :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 07:37:32 pm
I'll be listening; I get all goose-bumpy during those games when the crowd is so loud, the radio broadcasters have to 'heighten' their voices to be heard over the noise. Not a shout, more of a straining of the natural voice.

Most likely will have to plug in at Gates while I'm watching UWS try to make lemonade...

So, I'll be a UWEC alum backing my daughter's former team. Think of the inve$tment represented by that statement.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 12:19:15 am
As I Blugold fan, I keep telling myself it's going to be OK to lose to Stout tomorrow, because it is hard for a team to beat another team three times in a season, should the 'Golds win again, and then have to face the Blue Devils sometime in the WIAC tournament.

But then I tell myself, whoa, the WIAC season still has six-seven games left for most teams. A lot can happen between now and the end of the season, and the conference standings and seedings will undoubtedly be different between now and then. Plus, these two teams might not even end up facing each other in the playoffs... And all that thought goes out the window... You just plain simply can't look that far ahead...

So I remind myself, as one who plays a coach on this site, but isn't actually one  ;),  that it's one game at a time, and don't even think about the tournament. Play hard and execute tomorrow, hopefully win, then get ready for Platteville...

But I think a win tomorrow would have a bigger impact for the 'Golds than a loss would have on Stout, which has a veteran team looking to make a run like it did last year. It won't be a devastating loss for Stout, and might just serve as a wakeup call for Stout, and p-o them to take it up another notch down the stretch. And then it's look out for that team...

It's not a make-or-break game by any means, but it's almost like a playoff game for the 'Golds, and will really give them a boost in confidence, if they can win, on the road in front of a big crowd. I'm excited to see how the Lady Blugolds respond to playing one of the top team's in the country tomorrow...

 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2007, 08:23:45 am
Bulk

I agree with your perspective that this is a very important game for your Blugold's tonight.

But I disagree about the importance of this game for Stout.  The Lady Devils and Coach T were not happy about losing the WIAC conference opener at Zorn Arena.  Actually, that is to mildly put - to use your terms - they were po'd about losing.

This game means a lot to Stout.  It's their home floor, and they want to win - period.

I agree with the one game at a time aspect.  But every win makes for better seeding in the DIII Tourney, should a team be fortunate enough to earn the right to participate.

FL

Mrs. Champ will be listening from Washington D.C. - on the road again - I'm sure you understand... ;)  I missed the Platteville game as Mrs. C's company flew me out for the weekend - but we went to dinner late so that we could watch the video feed!

Are we hooked on Stout Women's BB or what??? ;D 8) ;D

Hoping for another "W"!!!



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 12:06:33 pm
...8 hours 'til tip-off
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 24, 2007, 04:43:43 pm
...8 hours 'til tip-off

  Rico.  BDB just told me you are going to save him a seat.  Why don't you stop at Mardi Gras after your game.  I will be getting into town about 10 and an old Stout football coach (but not very old) is going to meet me there for a beer.  I also just talked to "T" and he said he would stop also and we could compare notes on the games.  Tell your buddy BDB to stop for one. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 05:45:29 pm
I'll let BDB know, not sure if I'll be able to stop tonight or not.  Thanks for the invite!

You're buying I assume...???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on January 24, 2007, 08:31:44 pm
well who's winning between Stout and EC tonight???  I can't find a score anywhere. I assume Stout is winning because EC hasn't won a road game in years!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:14:23 pm
second half just starting; Stout up by 9 or 11. I thought it was ten, but the radio score wasn't a ten point difference. I'm listening to the feed through UWEC site.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:15:16 pm
35-22, Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 pm
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.

UPDATE:  Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25.  SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6.  In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt.  The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left.  Point secures the rebound to win the game.

Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2007, 10:43:18 pm
Surprisingly easy win for the WARHAWKS over LaCrosse 75-60.  Behind some solid shooting, including 4 of 6 three-pointers, WW opened up a 16 point lead by half time 38-22.  LaCrosse was cold from the floor and their guards had problems with the pressure WW applied defensively.  WW scored first in the second half and built the lead to as many as 21 points a couple of times.  LaCrosse shot pretty well in the second half and did cut it to 11 once but the WARHAWKS responded with a run to push it back to 17 points and were never threatened after that.   Trisha Thill played very well leading WW with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 5 steals.  Heidi Sontag added 10 points and Lindsey Buechner finished with 9 points and 7 rebounds. 

Abby Johnson, Katy Searing and MacKenzie Hunter had 15, 13 and 10 points respectively to lead LaCrosse.

WW's deeper rotation and pressure defense were factors tonight.   WW goes to 13-5, 6-3 and holds onto second place. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 11:47:13 pm
Final: Stout 65 (16-3, 9-1) UWEC 52 (12-7, 6-4)

Don't need to look at the stats on this one, since they won't show the Blugolds' D anywhere. I think they left it in EC; haven't seen so many uncontested bunnies allowed. This is not the Blugold D that has been prevalent for the last few games...

On the offensive end, I'm not sure what they were trying to do? They had several chances to push the ball, but pulled up. Then, when they did set things up, they got several shots inside, but didn't drop them. Very very sloppy, too, with 23 turnovers.

Not a heads-up, smartly played game by UWEC. Not going to single anyone out for a noteworthy performance tonight, since they lost this one as a team on the defensive end...

Kelsey Duoss leads Stout with 16 and nine boards. Dani Boese pulls down 8, and Julia Hirrssig scored 13...

Stout goes on an 11-2 run to take a 34-22 lead at the half... Closest the 'Golds got in the second half was six, at 43-37, at the 11:41 mark... Just couldn't get over the hump thereafter...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 24, 2007, 11:53:31 pm
-bulk

Amen on the defense.  That was the worst defense I have seen out of a Blugold team in years.  Stout players constantly were driving past their defenders and when that happened there was no help defense.  EC played decent for the first 10min of each half, but Stout destroyed them in the latter 10min.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 09:20:38 am
buf and bulk

What do you mean no EC defense...

(http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/gallery/2006-07/eauclaire/images/DSC_0072.jpg)

That's an excellent hold Brittani Hakanson has on Dani Boese in this shot.  I'm surprised that Dani still has a jersey on... :o

That's hardly an uncontested "bunny" being made by Char Edwards there!

The key to the game was when Stout went on an 11-2 run to close out the first half.   Jenny McDermid scored five points in the run and Julia Hirssig  added four points as we took a 12 point lead into the locker room.  That threw the UWEC game plan out the window, and the Blugolds were never able to make a strong enough run to get closer than 6 in the second half.

Great crowd of over 2,000 people last night.  First WIAC team to break the 2,000 mark all season! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 09:40:42 am
Okay, I wasn't at the game...just watching the live stats and listening.

Here's the thing. I don't know if I would be too hard on EC's defense. Stout and EC always play an aggresive game. Fouls are called left and right. Look at all the fouls our girls had. If we had closed in on them any tighter, we wouldn't have had any girls out there playing. They would all be on the bench with 5 fouls.

The problem was lack of offense. Our shots just didn't go down for some of our other players.  Too bad, but that's basketball. You can't have a perfect game all the time. Just doesn't work that way. S@#t happens.

Just hope Englund sticks by her players...even during the losses!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 09:44:59 am
From the Great-Not-Quite-White North:
UW-Superior rolled over and played dead in the first half, seemingly trying to lose by a wider margin than the at-River Falls game. Second half, Superior came out like gangbusters and made a game of it. Of course, by then they were still trying to overcome a near-30-point deficit and simply couldn't do it. Didn't have any defense for Reiman when Lindman(?) was in. Or Lindman when Reiman was in--what I'm saying is, Soup could mount at least a token defense against one, not both.

Breeana Herzog played the best game I've seen from her. She was like the spark of the night for UWS. Once she put some fight into the game, the rest of the team came around. I believe that they came within nine in the final three minutes of the game and then started fouling and forcing passes and shots. That pretty much doomed Superior. For about 17 minutes in the second half, though, it was a great game.

So, what IS the rule about calling a time-out when the ball is in the hands of the shooter during a free throw? I know players can't move; can an opposing coach call a time out as the shooter is about to shoot?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:00:42 am
So, what IS the rule about calling a time-out when the ball is in the hands of the shooter during a free throw? I know players can't move; can an opposing coach call a time out as the shooter is about to shoot?

No, a timeout should not be permitted once the referee has delivered the ball to the shooter.  Anytime prior to that is fair game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 10:03:35 am
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.

UPDATE:  Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25.  SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6.  In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt.  The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left.  Point secures the rebound to win the game.

Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!

Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 25, 2007, 10:07:53 am
Nice summaries of EC and Stout. Great to see ahuge crowd for womens BB! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 10:09:33 am
hoops

You're right about the intensity/aggressiveness of the game - which is usually the case when these two teams meet.

As to the offense - Heather Witt's three pointers were a thing of beauty!  Ashley Anderson's presence under the basket was huge.  And Heidi Arciszewski kept throwing the ball up there - and enough of them went in for her team leading 14 points

Michelle Burns looked tired to me last night.  Midway through the first half she really seemed to be "huffing".

Stout was led by Kelsey Duoss with 16 and Julia Hirssig came off the bench to add 13 points - joining Duoss in double figures.

Neither team shot real well - 34.5% for UWEC and 39.2% for Stout.  Both teams threw up some REAL ugly shots at times - totally missing the basket - and sometimes not even coming close to the backboard or the basket. 

Big difference was at the FT line - with Stout having a 12 point advantage.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:09:59 am
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.

UPDATE:  Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25.  SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6.  In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt.  The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left.  Point secures the rebound to win the game.

Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!

Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
True, that's a referee's error, but a sharp scoreboard operator would omit that last horn if they see that the ball has been put into play (erroneously or not).  I've had to do that myself.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2007, 11:08:53 am
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS UPDATE


1    STOUT                 9-1
8    PLATTEVILLE       2-7


4    EAU CLAIRE         6-4
5    LA CROSSE          5-5


3    STEVENS POINT   6-4
6    RIVER FALLS        5-5


2    WHITEWATER      6-3
7    OSHKOSH            4-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 11:20:47 am
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.

Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 25, 2007, 12:48:35 pm
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.

Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.

I'm not so sure I'd count on that "blood/turnip" thing if I were you.  Maybe look into that Statute of Limitations thing.  If he were a judge you could blame the call on "blind justice" but with an attorney, I just don't know.  Careful with that Minocqua bashing, though.  My wife is proud graduate of Lakeland High School. (that just means I got to ride on snowmobiles quite a bit when we visited the folks)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 12:55:44 pm
hoops

You're right about the intensity/aggressiveness of the game - which is usually the case when these two teams meet.

As to the offense - Heather Witt's three pointers were a thing of beauty!  Ashley Anderson's presence under the basket was huge.  And Heidi Arciszewski kept throwing the ball up there - and enough of them went in for her team leading 14 points

Michelle Burns looked tired to me last night.  Midway through the first half she really seemed to be "huffing".

Stout was led by Kelsey Duoss with 16 and Julia Hirssig came off the bench to add 13 points - joining Duoss in double figures.

Neither team shot real well - 34.5% for UWEC and 39.2% for Stout.  Both teams threw up some REAL ugly shots at times - totally missing the basket - and sometimes not even coming close to the backboard or the basket. 

Big difference was at the FT line - with Stout having a 12 point advantage.


Yup, I agree with all of what you say.

We just needed about 3 more of our usually productive players to hit those shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 25, 2007, 01:00:51 pm
buf and bulk

What do you mean no EC defense...

(http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/gallery/2006-07/eauclaire/images/DSC_0072.jpg)

That's an excellent hold Brittani Hakanson has on Dani Boese in this shot.  I'm surprised that Dani still has a jersey on... :o

That's hardly an uncontested "bunny" being made by Char Edwards there!

The key to the game was when Stout went on an 11-2 run to close out the first half.   Jenny McDermid scored five points in the run and Julia Hirssig  added four points as we took a 12 point lead into the locker room.  That threw the UWEC game plan out the window, and the Blugolds were never able to make a strong enough run to get closer than 6 in the second half.

Great crowd of over 2,000 people last night.  First WIAC team to break the 2,000 mark all season! ;D

I find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible.

Sounds like WW is the big surprise this year....too bad EC didn't make a better showing to make things a little more interesting in the standings.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:02:50 pm
Stoutguy--
No scheit! When did she graduate? I graduated from LUHS--not many people believe there were high schools when I graduated, but by gosh, there were. Where is she from? Is she a Minocqua-ite? I, myself, am from one of the poorer feeder communities.

What a hugely small world!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 01:11:02 pm
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.

Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.



I really think we have a problem with the reffing at the college level in this conference. Not sure what's up, but you can't go to a game and see good reffing anymore. It's really a problem. It almost seems like they just are out there to earn their money. I'm not saying it's all refs, but quite a few.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:14:16 pm
Quote
I find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible

Are you sure you said what you thought you said? If you did say what you thought you said, then it's not surprising opposing players are holding jerseys, since that's what they've been practicing. Doesn't seem legal, somehow, but if that's the only way you can stop them, I guess it's a strategy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 02:31:11 pm
I don't know that Stout fouls any more than any other team in the league or that they get away with any more fouls than any other team either.  But I think you misunderstand what Crazy is saying, FL.  They aren't practicing holding because that's the only way they can stop Stout defensively.  They're practicing it because it's the only way they can prepare for the holding that is going to happen to them, not by them.   

I tend to agree with the comments regarding the quality of officiating this year.    I'd quit selling insurance if someone would give me a nickle for every travel that goes uncalled and the women's game continues to get more and more physical.    I used to feel that things would be better if the officials allowed the women to play as physically as the men do.  But now I'm thinking, "be careful what you wish for, it might come true." 

Again, I stress, none of these comments are intended to single out Stout's style.  It's a league wide issue imo. 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 02:57:45 pm
I KNOW what he meant to say, but it's not what he said. I know he was implying that Stout women play some dirty form of basketball and other teams have to 'practice' that in order to compete against them. To that I say 'phooey.' I asked my daughter point blank if her team was coached to do all or any of the things they've been accused of, and she said 'no.' Were they coached to play an aggressive, fast game? Yes, they were/probably are. Were they coached to cheat? No.

So, my question AGAIN is why do people not accept in a women's game what they will in a men's game?  Women too delicate to get bumped? Do we still believe that if women particpate in sports that make them jump, fall down, bounce, or tumble their internal organs will get messed up? Do we still buy the "women don't sweat, they glow" thing?

I was at a soccer game where a player was called for a foul, and an older man in the crowd said (and I am quoting directly), "My granddaughter would never foul." Horse-apples. It's perception. You can't tell me that the WIAC teams are either nice or naughty, Stout being the consummate naughty and everyone else the nice. Making Stout out to be a bunch of thugs is neither productive nor realistic. If it makes you feel better to believe the winning team is cheating or playing dirty, so be it, but that doesn't make it so.

Nothing like a good spout-off to clear one's spleen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 04:25:25 pm
Just to clarify...I didn't refer to it as a "dirty form of basketball,"  that anyone was "coached to cheat," or that Stout is a "bunch of thugs."  They are physical and play more aggressively than some other teams do.  That's their style and, as their record clearly indicates, it works for them.

I can't recall the last time I left the gym feeling we had lost because the other team cheated or played dirty.  It certainly wasn't my feeling when Stout outplayed us over the final three minutes and took one in our gym.  Even though a critical traveling call, which many of our people obviously felt was a blocking foul on Duoss (her 5th), went against us and was the rallying point for Stout.  We lost that game because we fell apart after the call and only played 37 minutes of basketball while Stout played the full 40.   A lesson learned.



Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 04:56:49 pm
I apologize for over-reacting. Of course I get defensive; it's what I do best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 25, 2007, 05:09:16 pm
First, I hope it's ok if I post over here. My niece plays for Fonbonne. Second, I can relate to how women's ball is changing. My niece played for a very good private school down here in Texas and they were very agressive on both ends of the floor. There were many teams, coaches, parents,  that thought they were too rough. What it generally came down to was, how is the game being called. If the refs had a quick whistle they toned it down. If both teams were willing to go at it, then the refs generally let them go. And since I live in Texas I don't get to see too many of her games at Fontbonne. The ones I have seen it appears as though it's the same. The refs have the ability to control how the game will be played. Even if one of the teams is very agressive the refs can dial it back. Maybe the leagues want more physical play and have informed the refs throughout. Just a thought. And thanks for letting me ramble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 05:24:56 pm
Who doesn't love a Rambler?

I think it's true in any sport: the refs, umps, officials of any stripe, can control the play. sometimes they over-control, sometimes under, sometimes just right. It's the people in the stands that usually have a problem with how the game is played, even when the players on the floor don't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 09:49:58 pm
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.

UPDATE:  Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25.  SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6.  In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt.  The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left.  Point secures the rebound to win the game.

Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!

Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
True, that's a referee's error, but a sharp scoreboard operator would omit that last horn if they see that the ball has been put into play (erroneously or not).  I've had to do that myself.

I'm sure he was just doing his job and watching the time tick off for the second horn. But it was the ref's lack of communication with each other. But it was like that the whole game. Heck, a few times they EACH could have counted to three and then drew straws to see who would make the 3-second call. But that didn't happen, either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 12:29:38 am
Champ -

A bunny, in my book, and hoops lingo, is an open, uncontested shot, usually a layup or a dunk. The photo you provided isn't an example of the several bunnies the 'Golds defense allowed, so it doesn't exactly refute my statement that Stout had way too many uncontested bunnies last night...

One could probably make a case that there are fouls and jersey holdings on every single play. I'm sure you can find lots of pictures from last night's game of this happening, on both ends, and in any other game. But go back and look at the tape of the game from last night, and you'll see examples of the porpous D the 'Golds played...

You can't always control how well you shoot, or the percentage you hit from the field. You're going to have a bad night shooting wise once in a while. But what do you do to compensate on those nights? PLAY D!

Defense is an attitude and mentality, and wins championships. And that is one thing you, as a player can control - how well you play D, and how much intensity and heart you bring to it. It's something the 'Golds have done very well as a team as of late, and have fed off that and turned it into offense on the other end. But way too many lapses last night...

Stout deserves credit, but some of the success last night wasn't a case of terrific play calling or fast breaks or picks that freed up the lane, or Blugold players being out of position. It was just poor, porous D on EC's point, to allow those bunnies.

And that's what I saw, sitting from my seat in the bleachers...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 12:48:52 am
I find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible.

Sounds like WW is the big surprise this year....too bad EC didn't make a better showing to make things a little more interesting in the standings.

Well, I find it interesting that you would say that, considering that 2 of the other HC coaches in the WIAC were tutored by Coach T at Stout.  Cindy Hovet of RF played for Mark and is in the UW Stout Sports Hall of Fame.  Keri Carollo of WW was one of Mark's assistant coaches.  And her assistant Amy Zellinger (possibly another Stout HOF member when she becomes eligible) was a star player for Mark also.

Both RF and WW play a very similar style of ball.  I would argue that some of the other teams in the WIAC practice a more physical style of ball in attempt to slow the game down to their comfort level. 

There is a reason behind my avatar and the word "Faster" underneath it - Stout plays a very fast style of ball - which they can do because of their depth.  The whole intent is to wear the opposing team down - and it works much of the time.

Regardless, my point was that EC played more aggressive defense than what was being reported and that there weren't that many "uncontested bunnies".  To be honest, I think Stout gave up as many as they got last night.

I happened to see that photo of Layne Pitt's and thought it was the perfect one to show how things were contested under the basket.  The hold was amusing to me - only because of how Dani's jersey was being stretched to the max...  It was not my intent to condemn the EC team as playing dirty.  Things happen in a BB game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 02:16:05 am
Champ - The 'Golds have played aggressive D the whole season, and quite well, as of late.

But if you've been following them all year, like buf and I have, you'd have seen that they did have several lapses last night. There were far too many plays where Stout players took it to the rack, and the defensive player who got beat had no help. Thus, bunnies. I can think of at least five, and I don't recall any on fast breaks...

I can't speak for buf, but what I think he and I are saying is that we were not pleased with how the defense was, and are in no way trying to discredit the your team or the Stout O. Rather, we, who have most likely seen this team more than you have this year, were disappointed in how the 'Golds played defensively, compared to how they can and have been, and expected a better performance and more than they gave...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 09:45:29 am
bulk

You're right, I have only seen two EC games this season, and I'm sure the two of you have seen more than two games.  Advantage to you and buf in evaluating a Blugold performance.

Your defense held us to only 65 points.  That's nearly 8 points below our season average - an average that is only that low because of the fact that in the first game you held us to 44 poiints.

This is the fourth WIAC loss this season by the 'Golds, and it was by the second smallest margin for UWEC in WIAC games this year. 

I suggest, without having seen those two games, that the defensive performance in the first LaCrosse game (UWL shot 48.9%) and in the Point game (UWSP shot 50%) were worse.  Your comment of your D having played "well, as of late" seem to conflict with the fact that the Point game was only 3 games ago.

Our WIAC season FG% is 43.3 and your D held us to 39.2.  I think your D did a much better job than you give them credit for.

You came to Johnson Fieldhouse hoping for an upset.  To do so would have taken a great defensive effort by your squad like they had in the first meeting.  IMHO, based on watching several Stout games this year is that your defense represented themselves quite well, but not as well as in Zorn Arena in November.

Fair enough?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 26, 2007, 11:48:13 am
Champ - The 'Golds have played aggressive D the whole season, and quite well, as of late.

But if you've been following them all year, like buf and I have, you'd have seen that they did have several lapses last night. There were far too many plays where Stout players took it to the rack, and the defensive player who got beat had no help. Thus, bunnies. I can think of at least five, and I don't recall any on fast breaks...

I can't speak for buf, but what I think he and I are saying is that we were not pleased with how the defense was, and are in no way trying to discredit the your team or the Stout O. Rather, we, who have most likely seen this team more than you have this year, were disappointed in how the 'Golds played defensively, compared to how they can and have been, and expected a better performance and more than they gave...




You know what Bulk? I'm sorry, but I have to step in here. I don't think you have a clue just what these girls give to this game.

They are NOT playing this game to please you. They are out there because they love the game of basketball. Period!!!!!!!!  They work really hard at competing and going to school.
They don't have the luxury of having so much free time like you and me.

It's a game. That's all it really is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 26, 2007, 12:27:09 pm
haha...finally some talk on here....it has been a while since we have had this much talk in 2 days time.....

I know it sounded bad but I know coaches have their "practice" teams play a little dirtier when preparing for Stout...it wasn't a knock to women's basketball at all....basketball isn't about pulling shirts and being held....but a lot of this stuff is being let go more and more in our league because of how the officiating has gone down....I can count on maybe 1 hand how many officials are "decent" in the league and that is it. So yes I agree with how officiating has gone bad in the league....BUT i do know being an official sucks...never officiated this league but it seems more and more that people are so quick to blame officials before actually being accountable for there own actions...


so here is a question....with so many losses in the league do you guys think we only get 1 into the tourney again?

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2007, 03:55:27 pm
Last year one team received a Pool C bid with 7 in-region losses.  That was NYU with an in-region record of 18-7.  Moravian (19-6), Bridgewater (22-6), Rochester (18-6) and Bates (18-6) got in with 6 in-region losses.

Based on last year, 7 regional losses would leave you hanging by an extremely thin thread, 6 in-region losses would put you firmly on the bubble, and 5 looks relatively solid as long as you've beaten a few good teams to keep your QOWI up.

Here are the regional records for the WIAC as of today:
Stout - 15-1
Stevens Point - 12-4
Whitewater - 10-4
Eau Claire - 9-5
River Falls - 8-7
La Crosse - 7-7
Oshkosh, Platteville and Superior all have at least 9 regional losses.

Remember that if we are discussing a Pool C bid, we have to assume 1 loss in the WIAC Tournament.

Unless Johnson Fieldhouse collapses on Kelsey Duoss's head, Stout should be a Pool C lock.

Point and Whitewater are OK for now, but one of them really needs to establish themselves over the other.  They still have to play each other (that's a huge game) and they each get another crack vs. Stout.  If WW sweeps Point, that certainly gives them the edge. If Point can salvage a split, then it might come down to who has the strongest performance against Stout, and who doesn't blow a game they should win. A win over Stout would certainly boost their QOWI and their argument to the selection committee.

Eau Claire already has a win over Stout, but they really need to run the table into the WIAC Tournament in order to go to Selection Sunday with just 6 in-region losses.

Even if River Falls or La Crosse can win out all the way to the WIAC Tournament Championship game they would still have 8 losses.  That probably won't cut it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 26, 2007, 04:10:26 pm
I'll be listening to the Saturday morning show on my way to a tournament and then both Stout games.  That's a lot of Stoutguy in one day...

God Bless me!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:13:26 pm
Unless Johnson Fieldhouse collapses on Kelsey Duoss's head, Stout should be a Pool C lock.

Had to laugh when I read that... ;D  I really don't want Johnson Fieldhouse collapsing, much less on Kelsey's head... :o 

Besides, I'm hoping that Johnson might be the site of at least one game in the WIAC tourney - and I'd prefer that we have a roof over our heads.  Outdoor basketball in February is not recommended. ;)

Great analysis of the Pool C situation.  I really don't want to think of going in through the back door, but it wasn't that many years ago that Point did it - and went on to win it all... 8)

Still can't figure out how a "back door" team got that many home games in the tourney though, when the WIAC Tournament Champion had to go on the road??? ??? ???

Here's the remaining schedule for the three teams you feel have a shot at a Pool C bid - EC/Point/WW.  All three teams play the other two, so this could be real interesting.

EC:

@ Platteville
Point
@ River Falls
Oshkosh
@ Superior
@ Whitewater

Point:

@ Eau Claire
@ LaCrosse
Whitewater
Stout
@ Platteville
@ Superior

Whitewater:     

@ Stout
Platteville
Superior
@Point
@ River Falls
@ Oshkosh
Eau Claire

There are some real tough games there for both teams, and that makes the Point/WW matchup on Feb 7th a potential mega game for both squads.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:15:01 pm
I'll be listening to the Saturday morning show on my way to a tournament and then both Stout games.  That's a lot of Stoutguy in one day...

God Bless me!

What I want to know is what crimes you committed to deserve that kind of punishment - you didn't rob a bank or something like that - did you...;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:45:07 pm
Hey, hey, hey.  I am reading this stuff, you know.  Foul Language, why don't you at least jump in and tell these guys what a good guy I am.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 06:52:22 pm
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.

Like that?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:54:16 pm
Yes, just like that.  Now you have to start thinking of something to say at halftime of our Stout/Superior game.  You are our guest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 07:08:04 pm
Would it have to be coherent? I've been known to babble. I'm sure that comes as a surprise to readers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 08:04:56 pm
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.

Never said he wasn't a good guy, but listening to Stoutguy for the Saturday morning show and then two BB games...  Too much of a good thing can be harmful.

We need to figure out a way where we can get Stoutguy's audio hooked up to the video of the webcast.  When I was out visiting Mrs. Champ last weekend out in D.C. - we watched the game - but it was painful listening to that kid's play by play.

I had thought that if we had two laptops running, we could have had the radio broadcast on one and the webcast on the other - but then they probably would be out of sync and I'd hear Jake talk about the shot going in before Kelsey even got the ball... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 08:59:22 pm
hoops49 -

To respond to your post - I'm pretty sure I've been a Blugold, and Blugold fan, longer than you have, since I'm a graduate of this fine institution of higher learning. Don't fault me for developing my critical thinking skills while I was there. I call them as I see them, praiseworthy or not. I'm not on here to coddle the athletes; when they don't play to their capabilities, I say it. When they do, I say that, too.

But if you want to call me on my bluff, go back and read my posts; most are of the cheerleader-type that you seem to think they and the other UWEC teams deserve, just for putting on the uniform. Sorry, but I don't automatically give out As for effort, or for putting on the jersey...

As far as me not knowing what they give? Please. Give me a break. I know what it's like to be in school, while participating in extracurricular activities that amounted to 30-40 hour weeks in addition to my studies... I realize how hard they work, and have acknowledged that in the past. But I've seen this team play better defense this year, and have said that, too.

And in my opinion, they didn't give an their best effort on Wednesday. I'd bet they were not happy with their defensive performance either, and were told that in no uncertain terms by their coaches... If you were pleased with their effort on Wednesday, then the standards have slipped...
   
And you are incorrect; they are playing to please me. I'm one of the fans who pays $6-$8 to see them play. And they have said all season long, and in seasons past, how important it is to have the fans in the stands. Check my previous posts; I know for a fact they don't take the tremendous fan support they have for granted... 

I don't think being a fan means I'm supposed to sit back and have low expectations for such a talented group of players; I hope the team wants fans who are disappointed when they didn't play their best ball. Seems to me my best teachers (or in this case, a fan) were those who pushed me the most, and expected the most...
 
But, if, as you suggest, they really aren't out there to please me, and the rest of the fans, then so be it. Then my comments/opinions shouldn't mean diddly squat to you or the team, and you shouldn't get all bent out of shape over them...

It's funny, as you say, that it's only a game. And yet you show so much passion for it in your post. Yes, the women play D3 ball because they love it - ie, they don't get scholarships - but that's precisely why I pay to watch them...

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 10:02:07 pm
Champ - I'm not ignoring you. Just getting my second wind here, after my previous dissertation after being taken to task by hoops49...

Fair enough. But only because I'm too tired to type... ;)

One thing worth re-mentioning about the first matchup this year between UWEC and Stout, was the presence in the paint of Erin Voelker, a 6-3 junior, who came from Madison Area Tech. She played pretty well and was part of the success they had against Duoss that night. But Voelker has since left UWEC, at the break...

Oh, hey, since you noted how you replaced the floor at the fieldhouse, but that it was maybe two years ago, and wasn't necessarily to confuse the 'Golds?  ;) Guess what? The Blugolds head to Platteville tomorrow, where they're naming the court after Bo during the men's game. So, the women get to help christen that new floor, too. Ha.

I wonder, though, what they are doing to the floor, if anything? A new paint job with some sort of recognition on it, with Ryan's name? Or is it just going to be called that, with no markings? Any one - SuperPfan? know?


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 26, 2007, 10:15:23 pm
Please, we should all just say what we see, as respectfully as we can ,while still keeping our passion for sports. I too, have high expectations as a fan.But, when the game is over, we all have Wisconsin in our names during conference games. While it is not life and death, it is important. Ilove all you guys, and some gals, on this site.  I do not want this to become the FB site, where people complain about any negative comments on their teams with personal criticism and a rain of negative Karma.  God Bless as always!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 11:46:19 pm
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.

Never said he wasn't a good guy, but listening to Stoutguy for the Saturday morning show and then two BB games...  Too much of a good thing can be harmful.
We need to figure out a way where we can get Stoutguy's audio hooked up to the video of the webcast.  When I was out visiting Mrs. Champ last weekend out in D.C. - we watched the game - but it was painful listening to that kid's play by play.

I had thought that if we had two laptops running, we could have had the radio broadcast on one and the webcast on the other - but then they probably would be out of sync and I'd hear Jake talk about the shot going in before Kelsey even got the ball... :o
Yes, and too much of a BAD thing can be painful.  Anyway, Champ, I really appreciate your getting these EC guys all cranked up.  That is what I enjoy most about d3 basketball.  Passion.   You got them to talk about theirs with yours.  Mark Thomas is a very lucky man to have people like you, Rico, BDB and many others on his side.   He has earned that respect, for sure, but he also appreciates it
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:24:49 am
One thing worth re-mentioning about the first matchup this year between UWEC and Stout, was the presence in the paint of Erin Voelker, a 6-3 junior, who came from Madison Area Tech. She played pretty well and was part of the success they had against Duoss that night. But Voelker has since left UWEC, at the break...

So, without Voelker - who you openly admit was a part of the defensive success you had on your home court against Stout, your squad holds the top scoring team in the WIAC to only 65 points and 39.2% shooting - and your complaining about this being your poorest defensive effort?  The EC D also held Stout to 3 fewer rebounds than their season average in 2006 - 2007.

Sorry, I ain't buying what you're selling here. 

You say they gave up too many uncontested bunnies.  Well, your squad held Duoss below her season shooting percentage, and she doesn't miss very many uncontested bunnies.  Kelsey was 7 or 12 from the floor, Hirssig was 3 of 7 and McDermid was 2 of 4.  Those are our players that occaisionally get uncontested bunnies - and they did get some - but not any thing out of the norm, IMHO.

As I said in my last post, your squad needed a great defensive effort and got a very good one.  The problem for EC last Wednesday was not the defense - it was the other side of the ball not scoring enough points. 

Of course commiting 21 turnovers and having 7 shots blocked was a big part of that.  And don't think that it was just Duoss blocking the shots - as she only had 2 of them.  The steals (there were 10 by Stout) were spread around well also with no one player having more than 2.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:42:31 am
Anyway, Champ, I really appreciate your getting these EC guys all cranked up.  That is what I enjoy most about d3 basketball.  Passion.   You got them to talk about theirs with yours.  Mark Thomas is a very lucky man to have people like you, Rico, BDB and many others on his side.   He has earned that respect, for sure, but he also appreciates it

I gotta remember to get on this board earlier in the season next year...  I participate in several other bulletin boards (sports and car related), and just need to get a kick in the assets to remember to post over here when the season starts...

Mark is the man that turned me back onto BB.  I hadn't been to two BB games since I graduated from HS - and that was a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago until Mark "badgered" me and Mrs. Champ and told us that "You've got to come out and see my girls play!!!" at the end of race season back when Bonnie Thoe was a freshman.  We came out to see them play, and we were hooked - lined - and sinkered...

That was a few years ago, and you know how often we miss games now - either home or on the road - and we don't even live in Wisconsin anymore!!! :o   Our car knows the way to Menomonie all by itself...;)

Heck, he's even got me scouting HS players in MN now... ;D  Considering my daughter never played BB, it's tough to believe I now travel and pay to attend HS girls BB games!!!

You are right - Mark has EARNED that respect, and one of the reasons he's EARNED it is because he appreciates it so much.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 04:59:14 pm
UWO up at the half 31-28 over RF.  RF had 24 points at the 8min mark and were shooting 8-14 at that time.  At the half, their FG% is now down to 40%, big cold spell.  Knapp, Tyriver and Sharpee are the only ones that have scored for UWO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 06:22:19 pm
RF with a win at UWO, 61-54.  UWO needs someone besides the top 3 (Knapp, tyriver, sparpee) to step up.  Only 4pts scored from the other UWO players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 27, 2007, 07:04:39 pm
Tough to do with a short bench and bad fouls getting called on players, but UWO still hangs tough in their games. Telling point was a stretch where UWO led 37-31, then had 5 straight TO's that led to 11 points. After that, they couldn't recover. Preiner was deadly behind the arc. Tyriver got back on track with another big game. Officiating was better than the SP game on Wednesday. John Furrer is a solid ref, Billy McKnight was off and on this afternoon, and Ryan Delong will be a good ref once he's legally old enough to drive. Hopefully UWO can get a few wins down the stretch and get near a 6th seed, I'm sure they are a team that a lot of other would be uncomfortable to have in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 07:26:03 pm
UWP up at the half against EC 34-26.  All of EC's regular posts (Burns, Anderson, Hakanson) have had at least 2 fouls from the 10min mark on, Burns has 3 and has barely played.  Witt also has 2 fouls.  UWP hits 3 at the halftime buzzer for the 8pt lead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 07:31:14 pm
Champ, if you want to throw stats around, UWEC has given up 57.5 points per game, and allowed Stout 65... So I bow to you, and say it was all Stout's offense that made the difference in the outcome, not the Golds' D...

And the Golds also scored only 52 points, compared to 60.3 on average. So yep, it was all poor offense that made the difference in this, and the steals, blocks and turnovers you noted that were created by Stout had no factor...

The Golds have given up 65 or more points per game seven times this year; five of them occurred during the first seven games of the year. When they have given up 65 points or more they are 3-4 in those games. Only two were conference games - road losses to UWL (68), which I didn't see, and Stout (65), on Wednesday.

Two of the other games were non-conference wins during the team's Thanksgiving tournament. Missed them.  The other was a tournament game loss in Michigan to open the season, and a road loss to St. Cloud St., which I also didn't see. So I made my statement, and based it on, how I've seen them play the rest of the season, and after the first seven games of the year, when they had those five games when they allowed 65+ points.

To quote you: "So, without Voelker - who you openly admit was a part of the defensive success you had on your home court against Stout, your squad holds the top scoring team in the WIAC to only 65 points and 39.2% shooting - and your complaining about this being your poorest defensive effort?  The EC D also held Stout to 3 fewer rebounds than their season average in 2006 - 2007."

I'll turn it around on you. Could it be that with Voelker we held you to 44????

You said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team. I'll just leave it at that...
 
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:25:09 pm
EC wins over UWP 59-51 due to a great 2nd half performance.  First conference road victory for the 'Golds.  Very balanced scoring for EC.  The only one doing anything for UWP was Tesch with 23.


Back to the EC Defense in the Stout game.  The thing I was dissapointed in was the penetration that was given up by EC.  There were too many Stout players driving past the EC defenders.  And when that happened, there was usually no help defense.  I agree that allowing Stout 65 points on their home court was pretty good.  But EC had been doing well not allowing penetration in most of their games this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:27:15 pm
Stout wins over WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 08:42:39 pm
buf - it's about time you got my back!  ;)

I've been getting beat up by Champ, who can only compare the 'Golds performance that night to one other time he's seen them, and by hoops49, who wasn't going to be at the game, so can't necessarily comment on how they played that night! Ha.

Champ - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...

Anyway, I'll let Coach Englund have the final say in the matter, as she said in the pre-game and post-game comments today vs. Platteville. The team needs to play more consistently. And I won't extend it any further than that, to, say, stretch it to the defensive end, either.  ;)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 28, 2007, 10:12:56 am
Hey, Champ, go out and find another home schooler for Mark, will you?  Hirssig is fast becoming my favorite player.  Nonstarters outscore the starters again, Duoss, Stout record breaking 11 blocked shots, and the Devils get ready for what will be a tough game down in RF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 10:19:09 am
Champ and Buf, you're probably both right; the stats make it look like key EC players were getting some foul trouble early enough, they may have been snakebit on defense. Offense should have stepped up and made up for the points the defense wasn't preventing, although the defense must have at least rattled Stout to keep it under average. Whose court were they on? Oh, Menomonie. Couldn't have been a case of fewer points due to hostile court.

There was a lot of rattling going on in Menomonie last night.

Good chatting with Champ and Stoutguy after the Stout game last night. I can't wait until WW posters weigh in on the game. It was a barn-burner; kind of one of those hell-bent-for-leather kind of things. What does that mean, anyway. Have I got it wrong? Is it hell-bent-for-weather, which makes more sense where I'm from.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 12:57:20 pm
You said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team.

I did see a good defensive effort by the Blugolds against Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse.  It's too bad that you missed it... ;)

EC is not the best defense we've seen all year.  You point out that the EC D has held opponents to 57.5 points per game.  River Falls is the best defense we've played all year - and their 50.1 (a full 4 point advantage over #2 Oshkosh and 7. 4 PPG better than #4 EC) point per game average backs that up.

One of the factors that is hidden in EC's PPG ranking is the recent Oshkosh game - they held Oshkosh to 48 points - a great defensive effort, IMHO - and lost the game.  Was that the fault of the defense in your mind too?  They held Oshkosh to 10 points under their season PPG average.

How about the recent Point game?  They held point to 64 points (magically 1 point below the 65 point reference you used to extoll the virtues of the Blugold defense), 5 points below Points average - and lost that game too.

So let's recap...  Three January WIAC games where the EC D holds the opponent 5 - 10 points below the opponents season PPG average, and you lose all three games.  Your offense averages 46 PPG in those three games.

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Champ - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...

Well, to be honest - I'm more defensive minded - and would probably be a defensive coordinator.  I'm better at figuring out how to prevent my opponent from scoring - but also smart enough to understand that I can't pitch a shutout everytime out.

I would depend on my offensive coordinator to score some points for me to cover my back.

In your situation, in your recent losses to Oshkosh, Point and Stout - your offensive coordinator let you down.

If I were Tonya (and I'm not) - I'd be looking at how to improve my offense.

Simple math tells you that when your offense is only 1.4 PPG better than the worst in the WIAC - the problem isn't the defense which is #4 and is 9.6 PPG better than the worst in the league.

Whether it be baseball, football or basketball, a good defense will help you win games, assuming you have a good offense.  If you have a poor offense, you will need a great defense to win games consistently.

EC has a good defense, and gave a good defensive effort against Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:08:56 pm
Hey, Champ, go out and find another home schooler for Mark, will you?  Hirssig is fast becoming my favorite player.  Nonstarters outscore the starters again, Duoss, Stout record breaking 11 blocked shots, and the Devils get ready for what will be a tough game down in RF.

I'll be out scouting again this week, but no home schooler's.... ;)

I'll be looking for defensive minded players exclusively... ;)

Of course, a defensive minded player that can sink an occaisional 3 pointer (I think she had 5 the last time I saw her play) is a bonus!!! 8)

BTW, the stat sheet I saw only credits Kelsey with 10 blocks - a real piss poor defensive performance by our top offensive threat... ;)

And I can't take credit for "finding" Julia - Coach T did that.  It was worth the price of admission to see her play HS ball though!

We'll need a solid performance from the whole team to beat RF on their home court.  I don't want to have to try and come from a 10 point deficit with 5 minutes to go like we did at home.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 01:21:56 pm
Good game by Stout.  We made a nice run in the first half and had a lead but they got going in the final 4 minutes of the half and went ahead on a three-pointer with :12 remaining.  In the second half they picked up the intensity and we just didn't match it.  Though we did manage to keep them within sight and get to within six, 47-41 with 9 minutes remaining.  But we couldn't get shots to drop after that, turned it over some and the BlueDevil pulled away 65-50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:58:56 pm
There was a lot of rattling going on in Menomonie last night.

Good chatting with Champ and Stoutguy after the Stout game last night. I can't wait until WW posters weigh in on the game. It was a barn-burner; kind of one of those hell-bent-for-leather kind of things. What does that mean, anyway. Have I got it wrong? Is it hell-bent-for-weather, which makes more sense where I'm from.

BadgerWarhawk wasn't at the game FL, so he's probably looking for us to report what happened.  (and as I was typing this, BW posted, I can see that he was either listening to the the game yesterday or he read the stat page)

Simply put, the Warhawks, played a great first half - especially the first 12 minutes where they held a 9 point advantage.  Stout managed to make a run in the last 8 minutes and went into the half with a 3 point lead.  That last 8 minutes Stout finally found a little rythym - but I sure wasn't comfortable with how the game was going up to that point.

As noted in my post to SG, Kelsey had 10 blocked shots (the team had 13).  Another key defensive stat was the 17 total steals - and one of my favorite players - Amanda Geissler had 5 of them!

This was a very physical game - too physical.  I think it took less than two minutes of play for the officials to lose control of the game.  I seriously was concerned for the safety of the players on both teams.

If the officials aren't going to call fouls for overly aggressive physical play, teams have to play even more aggressive and physical to have a chance to win.

The Stout writeup of the games refers to sloppy play in the first half - and I wouldn't argue that it wasn't sloppy - at times.  But when the officials aren't making calls - it leads to rag tag BB - a game that neither of these fine teams is used to.

An example of calls not made.... our leading scorer for the evening, Savanah Oeltjen, got two of her 16 points where she should have been first:

1. Called for traveling
2. Called for charging

I was on the other end of the court standing on the floor and I could see this - and I'm as much of a homer as anyone on this board.  How three officials failed to see our player with the ball commit these offenses and not blow a whistle... ???

The Lady Warhawks played a very strong defensive effort in the first half.  They held us to under 39% shooting and made us work very hard for each point.  In the second half, they simply wore down allowing Stout to sink their shots at a 50% clip.

Stout's defense held the Lady Warhawks to 26.6% for the evening.  The leading scorer for the 'Hawks was Tiffany Morton with 15 points.

The alumni game that was played earlier in the day was also great fun to watch!  As a fan it was great to see the former players that helped build the program back on the Johnson Fieldhouse floor again.  And you could tell the former UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils enjoyed seeing their former mentors and teammates again!


Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 04:49:37 pm
Both sides committed and got away with a fair share of non-traditional play.

Fast and furious comes to mind.

I noticed Stout roster was down to only 20 players. I chatted with Alisha Doppenberg a bit during halftime. She's given up basketball for a fiance ('e' should have one of those little accent marks).  I certainly wish her the best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 05:25:07 pm
My perceptions came from listening to the game on radio.   I haven't seen the box score yet but just by listening you could tell two things.  One, there was a lot of physical play going on and two the WARHAWKS had their problems trying to score inside with Duoss around.  So ten blocks doesn't surprise me, "blocked by Duoss" was a redundant comment during the broadcast. 

I knew our chances were slim but I'd hoped the final would be closer.  We're better but not quite to that level yet.  We'd have to play almost errorlessly to win and on your court we'd probably need a break here and there too. 


While winning a conference championship is generally a program goal with a three game cushion and only six games remaining I really have a hard time imagining anyone catching, let alone overtaking, Stout.  Of course the roof could collapse on Duoss.   However without the Geissingers, Oeltjen and Dani whatshername underneath it as well Stout could probably weather the storm.

Second place would be a huge step forward for the WARHAWK program and would exceed any expectations I had of the team.  Obviously there's a ways to go yet but they've got themselves in a position to compete for it.  Winning the next two homes games (Platteville, Superior) is the next step.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 05:52:05 pm
While winning a conference championship is generally a program goal with a three game cushion and only six games remaining I really have a hard time imagining anyone catching, let alone overtaking, Stout.  Of course the roof could collapse on Duoss.   However without the Geissingers, Oeltjen and Dani whatshername underneath it as well Stout could probably weather the storm.

Had to chuckle after reading that one.... ;D ;D ;D 

I personally refuse to look any further than our next opponent - River Falls.  They are the toughest defense in the WIAC, and we're playing on their court.  Cindy Hovet (former UW Stout star BB player under Coach T) coaches her team very well, and is very familar with Mark's system.

Yup, it's the old one game at a time!!!

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Second place would be a huge step forward for the WARHAWK program and would exceed any expectations I had of the team.  Obviously there's a ways to go yet but they've got themselves in a position to compete for it.  Winning the next two homes games (Platteville, Superior) is the next step.   

I wish coaches Keri Pete, and Amy, as well as all the players and their fans, the best for every game the rest of the year, with the exception of a possible 3rd meeting in the WIAC Tourney against Stout.

 

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 28, 2007, 08:47:07 pm
You said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team.

I did see a good defensive effort by the Blugolds against Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse.  It's too bad that you missed it... ;)

EC is not the best defense we've seen all year.  You point out that the EC D has held opponents to 57.5 points per game.  River Falls is the best defense we've played all year - and their 50.1 (a full 4 point advantage over #2 Oshkosh and 7. 4 PPG better than #4 EC) point per game average backs that up.

One of the factors that is hidden in EC's PPG ranking is the recent Oshkosh game - they held Oshkosh to 48 points - a great defensive effort, IMHO - and lost the game.  Was that the fault of the defense in your mind too?  They held Oshkosh to 10 points under their season PPG average.

How about the recent Point game?  They held point to 64 points (magically 1 point below the 65 point reference you used to extoll the virtues of the Blugold defense), 5 points below Points average - and lost that game too.

So let's recap...  Three January WIAC games where the EC D holds the opponent 5 - 10 points below the opponents season PPG average, and you lose all three games.  Your offense averages 46 PPG in those three games.

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Champ - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...

Well, to be honest - I'm more defensive minded - and would probably be a defensive coordinator.  I'm better at figuring out how to prevent my opponent from scoring - but also smart enough to understand that I can't pitch a shutout everytime out.

I would depend on my offensive coordinator to score some points for me to cover my back.

In your situation, in your recent losses to Oshkosh, Point and Stout - your offensive coordinator let you down.

If I were Tonya (and I'm not) - I'd be looking at how to improve my offense.

Simple math tells you that when your offense is only 1.4 PPG better than the worst in the WIAC - the problem isn't the defense which is #4 and is 9.6 PPG better than the worst in the league.

Whether it be baseball, football or basketball, a good defense will help you win games, assuming you have a good offense.  If you have a poor offense, you will need a great defense to win games consistently.

EC has a good defense, and gave a good defensive effort against Stout.



Very well said.... I couldn't agree with you more. :)

I think where EC is lacking is offense and defensive rebounds....but certainly, not defense!

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 28, 2007, 11:37:05 pm
Hey Champ ?

I haven't figured out how to do this quote thingy here, but here's what you posted:

The Lady Warhawks played a very strong defensive effort in the first half.  They held us to under 39% shooting and made us work very hard for each point.  In the second half, they simply wore down allowing Stout to sink their shots at a 50% clip.

Stout's defense held the Lady Warhawks to 26.6% for the evening.  The leading scorer for the 'Hawks was Tiffany Morton with 15 points.


How come it's the Blugold offense that stinks, and the D is good, but in the case of the Stout/Whitewater game, it wasn't the Blue Devils' offense that wasn't too good in the first half, and it wasn't the Warhawks offense that wasn't good the whole game???? You give credit to the D in both those cases, but don't blame the offenses???

Are you sure it was your D, and it wasn't a case of your offense playing poorly in the first half, and the Lady Warhawks' offense being off the whole night?  ;)  Kind of sounds like both offenses played poorly to me, based on the stats...  ;)

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:37:28 pm
Champ/Hoops

I agree with you in that the EC defense is the strength of the team.  For being undersized at some positions they do a great job defending.  My comments were directed at the penetration given up by EC in the Stout game alone.  Of all the games that I have seen this year, EC gave up by far the most dribble penetration in the Stout game, something they (EC) usually do a good job of preventing.  With all games considered, I think that all fans that have followed EC this year will agree that the defense is the strength and shooting (especially on the road) is the weakness.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:41:43 pm
I haven't figured out how to do this quote thingy here.

You click on the quote button (upper righthand corner) on the poster's message that you want to quote
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 02:52:09 am
foul language - I'm just testing out this quote thingy here:

Champ and Buf, you're probably both right; the stats make it look like key EC players were getting some foul trouble early enough, they may have been snakebit on defense. Offense should have stepped up and made up for the points the defense wasn't preventing, although the defense must have at least rattled Stout to keep it under average.

This, actually, is a great observation on your part... Yes, the 'Golds did have some foul problems early. And perhaps that caused them to be less aggressive on D, and giving less help, as at least I perceived them to be...

buf - you nailed it exactly in that last post, the one before telling me how to use the quote thingy...

But enough about the past... So Champ, the Blue Devils scored 109 points in two games against the 'Golds... That's 54.5 per game... But River Falls, who is giving up 50.1 on the year, gave up 56 in the first game, a loss to you, so in my book they need to hold you to 53 or less on Wednesday, and beat you, to be a better D than my Blugolds! So there!  ;)

Champ - Seriously, though, good to have you on here; you said you participate on other sites, but should have joined in on this one at the beginning of the year... It's good to banter back and forth with you; I can tell you know hoops, and appreciate the Blue Devils and the efforts they give...

You definitely have stirred my passion for D3 hoops up a bit this season!
I lived in Point when they won the National Championship, and so that was a pretty fun season, as I, a Blugold, jumped on that bandwagon and went to most of their home games.  But now I'm in EC, and experiencing the Stout/Blue Devil rivalry... Pretty cool...

We shall see what shakes out on Wednesday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:41:10 am
Hey Champ ?


How come it's the Blugold offense that stinks, and the D is good, but in the case of the Stout/Whitewater game, it wasn't the Blue Devils' offense that wasn't too good in the first half, and it wasn't the Warhawks offense that wasn't good the whole game???? You give credit to the D in both those cases, but don't blame the offenses???

Are you sure it was your D, and it wasn't a case of your offense playing poorly in the first half, and the Lady Warhawks' offense being off the whole night?  ;)  Kind of sounds like both offenses played poorly to me, based on the stats...  ;)

What we have here is a failure to communicate. 

You keep trying to say that I posted that the EC O stinks - I've never said that.  Please don't put words in my mouth.

I posted factual information - EC's offense has scored an average of 60.3 PPG.  Oshkosh has the lowest average of 58.9, and Stout leads with 72.9.  Those are the simple facts.

Remember, I was at the Stout/WW game, and I guarantee you it was a very aggressive defensive effort by WW that stymied our offense in the first half.

Also, remember that I have stated that I'm more defensive minded.  IMHO, the defenses were both outstanding in the first half.  Our 13 blocked shots and 17 steals is one hell of a lot of defense by any team against any opponent in a game - and WW is one of the better teams in the WIAC.

That's the kind of ball I love to see - when you play that kind of defense - you force your opponent out of their game, especially when you can maintain it for the whole game.  In the second half, Stout posted 5 of those blocks and 11 of the steals!!!

We shot under 39% in the first half - that's a fact.  I gave credit to WW defense for holding our O down - just like I gave EC credit for the same.  In the second half we shot 50%, and I attributed that to the wearing down of the WW D.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:45:35 am
My comments were directed at the penetration given up by EC in the Stout game alone.  Of all the games that I have seen this year, EC gave up by far the most dribble penetration in the Stout game, something they (EC) usually do a good job of preventing.  

Correct me if I'm wrong - but most of that penetration occurred in the second half, IIRC. 

With several players in foul trouble, and fatigue setting in from the speed of the Stout offense and defense, there were some dribble penetrations in the second half that may not have happened in the first half with a fresh D.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:57:15 am
But enough about the past... So Champ, the Blue Devils scored 109 points in two games against the 'Golds... That's 54.5 per game... But River Falls, who is giving up 50.1 on the year, gave up 56 in the first game, a loss to you, so in my book they need to hold you to 53 or less on Wednesday, and beat you, to be a better D than my Blugolds! So there!  ;)

You need to remember that FR held us to 56 points on our home court.  Your squad held us to 65.  That looks like a 9 pont advantage for RF...;)

Teams are not static all season.  Each game can be it's own anamoly.  That's why looking at season averages is much more important than a very small sample size.

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Champ - Seriously, though, good to have you on here; you said you participate on other sites, but should have joined in on this one at the beginning of the year... It's good to banter back and forth with you; I can tell you know hoops, and appreciate the Blue Devils and the efforts they give...

You definitely have stirred my passion for D3 hoops up a bit this season!
I lived in Point when they won the National Championship, and so that was a pretty fun season, as I, a Blugold, jumped on that bandwagon and went to most of their home games.  But now I'm in EC, and experiencing the Stout/Blue Devil rivalry... Pretty cool...

We shall see what shakes out on Wednesday...

Badgerwarhawk and I actively participate in an NFC North board - trading barbs about the Packers and the VIKINGS.... ;D

I'm also in to old cars and racing - and participate on boards on those topics also.

BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road).  I wonder what changed that statistic???  ??? ;D ;)

Stout has a 1310 home average... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2007, 10:02:55 am
Perhaps the season stats for conference play are the most revealing because they show what the  teams do against the same competition.  Playing different nonconference competition can sometimes create an inequity in the level of play each program faces.   It's not unusual to see the numbers drop once conference play begins.  Just my 2 cents.

Not having seen it in person I have to rely on the picture painted by the radio broadcast and it sounded to me like, in the second half, Stout simply outplayed us on both ends of the floor.   Whether it was the defense or simply an off night (probably some of both) we couldn't shoot to save our souls, particularly in the second half and from the perimeter.  Though we kept them within sight I have to admit that, listening to it, I didn't get the feeling we could pull it out.  We closed the gap but Stout never really relinquished control of the game.   
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 10:17:56 am
Badger makes a good point.  To use one chart to show both sides (O and D), I'm posting the scoring margin stats for WIAC games only:

SCORING MARGIN
# Team                         G    OFF   DEF Margin
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1.UW-Stout............      10   70.2  61.2   +9.0
2.UW-Stevens Point.... 10   63.6  55.7   +7.9
3.UW-River Falls......     10   59.1  52.5   +6.6
4.UW-Whitewater.......   9   66.8  61.0   +5.8
5.UW-Eau Claire.......    10   56.6  52.3   +4.3
6.UW-Oshkosh..........   10   53.8  51.5   +2.3
7.UW-La Crosse........   10   58.8  63.2   -4.4
8.UW-Platteville......       9   55.0  65.4  -10.4
9.UW-Superior.........    10   52.2  73.7  -21.5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2007, 10:19:27 am
I thought some of the Stout women looked like deer in the headlights early on in the game--except Savanah, she just thunders on--and I think that had a lot to do with WW coming out like gangbusters from the start. My out-loud comment was I didn't think WW could hold up for four quarters at that pace. I think they made complete disruption in the first quarter and a half, and then they tired a bit, and Stout's bottomless cup of players took over. It looked sloppy, because perhaps neither team was playing its game, so I prefer disrupted over sloppy. Things got settled a bit more later in the second half, and Stout just did its thing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2007, 11:20:14 am
Conference Seedings


1    Stout               10-1
8    Platteville          2-8 


4    Stevens Point    6-4
5    La Crosse          6-5


3   Whitewater        6-4
6   River Falls           6-5


2   Eau Claire           7-4
7   Oshkosh             4-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 12:08:58 pm
Wioth all those teams with 4 or 5 losses, the seedings can and probably will change by the time the last game is played on my birthday (begging for birthday presents is allowed, isn't it???).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 pm
maybe even bribes.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 01:22:13 pm
maybe even bribes.... ;)

Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse... :(

My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).

I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!

Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???

If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 29, 2007, 07:55:58 pm
maybe even bribes.... ;)

Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse... :(

My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).

I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!

Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday. ;D

No, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:07:23 pm
No, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.

Well, we can get you a phone for free (is that cheap enough)?   But you will have to pay for the service.

Just talked to Mrs. Champ, and got "official" approval for text messages during the gala.  Like she won't be dying to know the score herself.... ;)

Otherwise, I guess I'll have to talk to some of the players and see if one of their parents will take care of a diehard fan like me... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:39:35 pm
Week 9 poll is up.

Stout moves up to #10!!!

Other WIAC teams garnering votes but not ranked:

UW-Stevens Point 11
UW-Whitewater 4
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:11 pm
Hey Champ =

BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road).  I wonder what changed that statistic???   

Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...

But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...

The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...

So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...

We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...

Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2007, 09:03:49 am
Hey Champ =

BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road).  I wonder what changed that statistic???   

Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...

But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...

Well, I thought that would get a rise out of you... ;D

And yes, I used the stats that were available at the time of posting, which did not have Saturday's games included yet.  If I had had the current information posted on the WIAC page, Stout's attendance (highest in the WIAC) would have increased to 1318.

Yup, the road numbers went down, not surprising when Saturday's road game was so far away from EC that the attendance was below Platteville's average for a home game.

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The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...

So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...

No,  neutral courts aren't figured into road totals and are a totally separate stat. 

Your official road game attendance (per the WIAC, not me) is now 740, still a higher number than your home game attendance, not the 591 that you attempt to suggest to make it appear that road attendance is less, not more than home attendance to date.  But you knew that, didn't you... 

As long as you brought up the topic though, Stout had three neutral site games too - and FWIW, the average attendance was 282 for the three games.  Who really cares - right?

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We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...

Yes, home attendance should go up.  Although I don't know how much.  Point and Oshkosh have a pretty good rivalry and are located fairly close.  They only drew an average of 400 (577 and 224) per game for their home and away series.

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Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...

Will EC get a home game? 

With 5 teams (EC, Point, Oshkosh, WW and LaCrosse) grouped so tightly together, and the fact that 2 of the 5 will most likely be on the road to start the WIAC tourney I don't see where any of those 5 can be comfortable on playing a home game yet.

Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 30, 2007, 02:52:03 pm
Champ  I be at all the Stout games like I all the time am  so I will be more than glad to Text you during the STOUT/ LAX  game talk to you In river Wed. I think you know who I am I sit front row across from the team at all home games