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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #495 on: November 22, 2021, 12:48:19 pm »
I was at the Messiah v W&L game yesterday.
Bias: Messiah fan
Just a few random thoughts in no particular order:

- Messiah started slow, again, and it really doesn't serve them well. W&L had notably more possession in the opening minutes.
- Neither team had many chances in the first half with the very notable exception of W&L #36 burying his attempt with a beautiful turn and finish.
- Both keepers made plays on high balls but neither were really tested in the 1st half, aside from W&L's goal.
- When Messiah spread the field they looked dangerous but they weren't able to do it very often.
- Both of W&L's goals from the run of play were excellent, not good, excellent. Couldn't have been more different one from another, either. Spin and shot in the box; a blast form 22 yards. These finishes are what make people like me watch soccer.
- They more I watch Messiah, the more I'm reminded of 'Fergie Time' from MU's dominant years. Many teams would hold on against MU until around minute 65 or 70, when the wearying effect of MU's possession, probing, and tactics, both physically and mentally, would take it's toll. Then the inevitable goal/s would come. Messiah does the same thing. Of course they want to score in the first 10 minutes but they believe they will score in the final 30 minutes, perhaps multiple times.
- W&L were gassed by minute 70, especially the defenders. #21 was doing a simple push move and beating them repeatedly, as was #11 down the middle. Of course, the point of 'Fergie Time' is that you score during it. Messiah created many chances but didn't finish them. There was some very good defending by WLU, closing down angles and making Messiah work.
- There might be a better pure scorer in Div 3 than #36, but if there is, he's even better at hide-and-go-seek (the hiding part) than soccer. #36 is just a pure scorer. He knows how he wants to finish before the ball arrives and four touches later, it's in the net. A goal, a PK, and an assist Sunday; Saturday, 3 goals. And he's a drifter...he drifts in and out of the game then the ball appears at his feet and he makes something happen. Resented him yesterday; admire him today.
- All the best to W&L, they were ranked #1 for a reason.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #496 on: November 22, 2021, 02:30:57 pm »
I think this matches a lot of what I saw on the video as well. I think the Generals looked very confident in defense until Messiah's pk, and then the game shifted. Messiah gained belief and the Generals were either gassed or just started making mental mistakes. It didn't cost them, but watching Messiah foe the last 10-12 minutes have me wondering where it was at 2-0.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #497 on: November 22, 2021, 04:54:41 pm »
A little detail that no one has mentioned....on the first W&L goal, Samuel Bass, the Charlotte, NC product looked like he had a clear opening for a very good shot, and in the moment I thought he had made an error slipping the ball over in a crowd to Zimmerman.  Obviously he made the right play getting the ball to the hot hand but Bass himself is one of W&L's top offensive talents and when he didn't shoot I wasn't sure the pass would even get through to Zimmerman. 

Would be great if someone can post a video clip of that sequence.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #498 on: November 22, 2021, 05:20:46 pm »
Messiah had a fantastic look with about 5 left.  Absolutely should have scored it.  Their forward put it over the top.  If they score that, it's 3-2 and they get some belief that they can tie it and force OT.  I thought W and L were stretched and exposed too often the last 15 minutes.  They needed numbers behind the ball to just see the game out.  Not sure why they didn't do that, but they move on and are a great side.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #499 on: November 22, 2021, 08:11:35 pm »
Messiah had a fantastic look with about 5 left.  Absolutely should have scored it.  Their forward put it over the top.  If they score that, it's 3-2 and they get some belief that they can tie it and force OT.  I thought W and L were stretched and exposed too often the last 15 minutes.  They needed numbers behind the ball to just see the game out.  Not sure why they didn't do that, but they move on and are a great side.

Yup.
There were several instances when I wanted Messiah to just rip one low and hard, rather than making another pass. The moment that you cite was one of those. I'm a big proponent of "make the 'keeper make the play". I like a pretty goal as much as the next guy but sometimes it's better to drive it low and hard to the far corner and force the 'keeper to perform and the defense to clean up if he makes the save. I think Messiah would have benefited from that approach a few times.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #500 on: November 24, 2021, 02:58:26 pm »
Ok.  Since am trying to figure out different platforms for a possible live stream, I tried a real one.  As you know, I've done a whole counting passes thing and opted to review it.

It's nothing fancy  ... mostly cause I don't know how to do fancy yet ... and a bit longish.  But hey, I finally got to talk about my own personal insanity!

Does Passing Matter in D3 Soccer?

My goal in life is to be a YouTube Influencer.  This is the start of my empire. 

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #501 on: November 24, 2021, 04:12:00 pm »

Loved the video.  Thanks for sharing a glipse into the madness.

I think it would be interesting to see how the passing ratios change with different personnel on the field.  Amherst #10 and W&L #4 (as two examples) were players I would assume you never saw play in the first 10 minutes, since both largely came off the bench, yet both have a significant impact on their respective teams' style of play.  Not a criticism, and certainly not something that changes the first 10 mins.  But it would be interesting nonetheless.

When you captured stats for one team, did you always capture for the opponent as well?  It would be interesting to compare passing to actual results within games.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #502 on: November 25, 2021, 06:13:32 am »
When you captured stats for one team, did you always capture for the opponent as well?  It would be interesting to compare passing to actual results within games.

Yes.  I counted for both teams.  And who they were playing against.  I am thinking through how I can compare one team against the averages of teams they have faced or will face.  The other is that I am trying to sort out how to compare pass rates with records.  Kind of like a Massey rating of sorts.

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Re: 2021 Game Notes
« Reply #503 on: November 25, 2021, 10:28:28 am »

I am thinking through how I can compare one team against the averages of teams they have faced or will face.  The other is that I am trying to sort out how to compare pass rates with records.  Kind of like a Massey rating of sorts.


That would be really cool to see.