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Title: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:15:07 am
This is the new home of MAC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 16, 2005, 09:31:15 am
Wow, I finally made it to this new board. Ok all you MAC posters, lets get the season off to a new start. I read SIMBA and someone else going at it already.....Let the games begin.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 16, 2005, 09:35:06 am
Good Morning Pat....my number of posts didnt transfer just fyi

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 16, 2005, 10:55:38 am
Wow.

There are some fancy options here.

Like this one

And this one
 ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 16, 2005, 02:26:41 pm
there aint no doubt who will rule the roost this year....the boyz from delaware valley college....question is who will finish second on the mac ...albright? seems like  the long time powers susquehanna and lyco are struggling a little bit...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 16, 2005, 04:42:12 pm
gordon: Your lipstick is smudged.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 16, 2005, 05:50:24 pm
Ha.  Yeah, the "glowing affect" wasn't quite what I had in mind.

But I like some of these other features.

I now proudly present, man getting sick on a roller coaster

oo(:P)oo-oo(:D)oo-oo(:o)oo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 17, 2005, 10:06:34 am
This will take some getting used to....!

Gordon and news from any of the MAC camps....?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 17, 2005, 12:47:52 pm
Bman:

I actually had a chance to talk to all 11 head coaches during the offseason while working on the Kickoff Special.  They had a lot of interesting insight which I can't share for fear of reprisal from the Kickoff Special  organizers.  ;)

Just between you and me, here are a few tidbits...

  - Del Val opened camp on Saturday.  Coach Mangus is excited about the crop of O- and D-line recruits.  The Aggies have their Green and Gold scrimmage on Saturday and then scrimmage Ursinus on August 27.

  - I asked Coach Dapp of Moravian if he worried about Jacoubs wearing down given his workload.  His response -- "Jacoubs doesn't get tired."  The Greyhounds scrimmage Franklin & Marshall before opening at home.

 - FDU Coach Rich Mosca reports the Devils will have approx. 120 recruits, about the same number as last year.  He'd like to add some lights so the Devils can host a friday night game.  FDU has an open date in week one so they'll scrimmage Saint Lawrence in Albany.

I could tell you more, but then why would you order the Kickoff Special?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 17, 2005, 03:00:35 pm
Gordon...After I read the preview, I will pose the same question! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: sontyle3440 on August 17, 2005, 09:35:09 pm
I think the prediction of lycoming's demise is very premature.   I know their record was not up to lycoming's usual standard, but they were in every game last year but one.  So i think they are going to suprise some people.  However, that might just be wishful thinking from an alumus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on August 17, 2005, 10:30:57 pm
Just testing.  My post name was deleted so I had to re-register.  This site will take a little getting used to but it seems pretty user friendly.  Like the options.

 ???

Oh yeah, go Del Val!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 18, 2005, 12:18:26 pm
never said lyco was in the middle of demise only that they were struggling a little....as well as susquehanna these were the benchmark programs for a long time in the mac. question will be if they continue to struggle what will happen and who will take their place at the top ...my guess would be dvc, albright and kings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 18, 2005, 05:08:44 pm
FDU is bring in over 100 recruits two years in a row!!
Coach Mosca is doing a great job at FDU. 
In my recruiting class we had maybe 50 and it was like that for years to follow.
Nice to see they're making progress.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 18, 2005, 08:10:26 pm
I could never understand that barroomhero...Aren't there over 8,000 attending FDU-Madison???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 18, 2005, 09:45:02 pm
simba and barroom
I think that's a misprint about the number of recruits - FDU will bring about 110-120 to camp today, as they did last year. The actual number of new players is between 50-60.

As for FDU's number of students, our full time resident students number about 1800.  If you wish to count commuters and part time students, the number is closer to 2300.....
Simba, your 8000 number might be if you combined both campuses, as well as all graduate students....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 19, 2005, 12:55:19 am
Bill:

You're right.  My bad.  That should read 120 kids total, not recruits.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 19, 2005, 03:56:45 am
 >:( wow all this talk about teams in the mac and not one mention of widener, why no credit, widener only lost to the 0o0o holy del val by 1 score, and they shut lyco out they also beat the at the time undefeated moravian, not to mention the whoopin on port while playin the also undefeated albright, lets not the pioneers beat jackson who is gone at home against kings.... the pioneers are now in their second year with their OC and the fifth year senior lomas is in the swing of things and ready to lead the team....dont sleep on the pioneers who also bring in plenty of recruits
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the blackhand on August 19, 2005, 08:24:02 am
 About time someone mentioned Widener but they could really use a kid they lost 2yrs ago. Not too many people know who he is but he would def be an all mac player by now and an impact player in the mac. savior said he was the only kid on their team that could cover him one on one and should've started in 03 but he was new to the program. apparently this kid was really good and from what i've heard they could of really used him last yr and this yr. if anyone knows who he is let me know i would like to know what happened to a kid who had that much skill. all in all though Widener will be tough like always and Del Val and Albright both know that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 10:25:25 am
Hmm, with a mail address like cb12, I wonder who this guy could be talking about ...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: URMOM on August 19, 2005, 11:56:42 am
There are two FDU campuses-  Madison & Teaneck. Teaneck fields D1 teams (no football) and Madison D3 teams. The majority of the students included in the total # of students (>10,000) are in Teaneck. Only about 2,500 attend the Madison campus, including commuters. That's why they refer to FDU as "FDU-Florham" not just FDU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 19, 2005, 12:10:24 pm
its nice to hear everyone comparing themselves to dvc seems like everyone agrees that they are the team to beat this year...finally getting some respect since last year the coaches and most media picked them to finish any where from the middle to the bottom of the pack...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the blackhand on August 19, 2005, 01:26:48 pm
 Nah Pat I wish I was athletic and my name has nothing to do with football at all something I've done to remember my brother. Plus I don't think you can play a sport for a school you don't go to or can you? I had a friend who went there and he was talking about this kid. But the real reason I came on was to see what people's picks were for the whole MAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 19, 2005, 01:46:45 pm
No, it's more like only 2,000.  The biggest problem I saw when I was there was keeping guys on the team and on campus. Even I failed out for a semester, but I went to community college, came back and sat out a season.  But  I dont ever recall a 100 guys reporting to camp, so guys not sticking around really hurt every year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 19, 2005, 08:33:27 pm
tyrek savior...or leon as some would call him...yes tyrek is and was great and he did play last year but didnt get the ball as much as some thought he should...i dont know what he is doing now but if ne one knows rek he will be doing it well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 19, 2005, 09:27:03 pm
It will be "won in the trenches" gentlemen!.....

"Girardi started camp Wednesday by telling the team that every position is open. The Warriors appear deep on the offensive and defensive lines where they return every starter."

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=17227

Another string of winning seasons starts this year!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 20, 2005, 11:05:42 pm
Don't count lyco out yet.  With 100 plus kids on the team and their tradition and coaching staff they just might surprise some folks.  I still think DV is the team to beat this season in the MAC.  Also, keep an eye on LVC, Kelly is a good QB and they have a nice receiving corp.  The Dutchman picked up some talented recruits.  Can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 23, 2005, 09:53:55 am
Any Camp news?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 23, 2005, 09:55:03 am
Pat

BTW can you reset my old post count?

I know you will be focused on releasing the issue this week...but when you get a chance...

Thx

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on August 24, 2005, 03:49:10 pm
Any camp news on Albright yet.  Any surprises  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 25, 2005, 02:25:47 pm
CJSJAGS

Impressive...2 posts and already with the fuzzy highlights.... ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: GoDips71 on August 25, 2005, 05:07:49 pm
Anybody heading over to check out the F&M v. Moravian scrimmage at Moravian tomorrow?  Looks like it starts at 11a.m. on Friday.  I can't make it, but if anyone checks it out - please give us a report.  You will recall that this is a rematch from last year's ECAC title game.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 25, 2005, 11:35:41 pm
Saw the DVC intrasquad scrimmage last week. Looks like G.A. has added some beef and size the both the "O" and "D" lines.  Both Jacobs and Cook looking like mid season form but then again, it is only an in house scrimmage. They scrimmage Ursinus on Saturday and this will make a more acurate analysis of the team potential.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 26, 2005, 12:46:06 pm
good to hear coach mangus is adding some size i know that was one of his goals this off season. best thing is for all of dvc to stay healthy with playing moravian right out of the gate that will not be an easy game. any incoming freshmen seem to look good? i couldnt make it to the green/gold game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LinerNation on August 27, 2005, 03:00:55 pm
What can a father of a freshmen realistically expect in the first year. Do they have freshmen or Jv type games for these kids. I  realize he's probably not getting any signifcant playing time this year (maybe some special teams experience), but what do they do with these kids if they're not playing varsity ball?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 27, 2005, 06:01:52 pm
LinerNation:

First, welcome to D3football.com.  We hope you enjoy your son's football experience and make us your primary home for following the Division III landscape.

As to your question, it really depends on the school he is attending.  Many schools have JV programs with active schedules.  Depending on a lot of factors, several freshmen contribute as varsity regulars or even starters as the season progresses.  Again, a lot depends on the school he is attending.


On another note, I saw the Del Val/Ursinus scrimmage today.  Del Val's offense was a little slow at first and kept things pretty basic in terms of what they ran.  The first team unit scored 10 points with Knoblauch at the helm and 7 with the new back-up Hassenauer running things.  The reserves for both schools scored TDs in the second half.

Beyond the "score" (24-7 Del Val), which doesn't mean a whole lot, the Aggies looked alright on offense with Knoblauch getting in a rhythm near the end of the first half. 

Billman's pride-and-joy did a nice job, hitting a 37-yard field goal and going 3-3 on PATs.  And the defense was pretty solid, though it's hard to tell how much was their good play and how much was Ursinus still struggling to find its way.

All in all, a decent showing -- I think last year's scrimmage in Collegeville had a similar "final."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 27, 2005, 08:00:23 pm
http://www.readingeagle.com/re/lead/1418119.asp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 27, 2005, 08:24:10 pm
Linernation,

if your son hasnt told you, the first thing youll notice at a game is size and speed (even at the d3 level, it's different from HS). If they dont have JV games just support him and possibly go to a few games. If he gets red shirted, thats great, he gets another year. He should learn from the older guys. When I was a frosh, there were 2-3 all conference players ahead of me and i faced an All-American OL everyday in practice, all of this only made me a better player. Plus the off-season workouts will make him better as well.

He's starting all over again. Just like when he was  fros. or soph. in high school.
If he plays as a frosh. that will just be an awsome experience.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2005, 08:33:20 pm
If he gets redshirted it will only be because he got hurt. Non-medical redshirts were eliminated in Division III more than a year ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 02:27:49 pm
really?? thats stupid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 02:35:16 pm
A significant majority of Division III schools didn't think so. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 05:17:37 pm
Yea those are the people who are not possibly competeing against a ton of upper classmen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 05:42:42 pm
Right. They're the people who believe in the spirit of Division III and other such stuff you might consider to be nonsense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 09:19:45 pm
Pat,

Ive LIVED the spirit of D3 football and I was greatful I was able to get a non-medical red shirt. I dont see the harm since a lot of students dont completely finish school in four years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 09:26:11 pm
The feeling was that it's an advantage for some schools because a fifth year of school at most places is cost-prohibitive, but not everywhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 28, 2005, 11:21:04 pm
 :-\ listen ........redshirts shouldnt be given out to whomever thinks they should get another year...then u have teams full of freashman redshirters...thats just one problem....if ur son isnt good enough to play as a freshman it really doesnt mean much, he has plenty of time to move up in the depth chart, just assure him that his hard work wont go unnoticed...i've seen plenty of good ball players quit because they were burried in the chart and they though they shouldve played....there is a reason the coaches were hired...they know what they are doing..........as for me... Widener is going to win the MAC...so i dont care if ur son plays or not....haha j/k remind him its all for fun

let me getta "W"u
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 29, 2005, 01:29:07 am
Reprise! Reprise! Reprise!

Way to go Gordo. Your fears have been realised.

Bman:

I actually had a chance to talk to all 11 head coaches during the offseason while working on the Kickoff Special.  They had a lot of interesting insight which I can't share for fear of reprisal from the Kickoff Special  organizers.  ;)

Just between you and me, here are a few tidbits...

  - Del Val opened camp on Saturday.  Coach Mangus is excited about the crop of O- and D-line recruits.  The Aggies have their Green and Gold scrimmage on Saturday and then scrimmage Ursinus on August 27.

  - I asked Coach Dapp of Moravian if he worried about Jacoubs wearing down given his workload.  His response -- "Jacoubs doesn't get tired."  The Greyhounds scrimmage Franklin & Marshall before opening at home.

 - FDU Coach Rich Mosca reports the Devils will have approx. 120 recruits, about the same number as last year.  He'd like to add some lights so the Devils can host a friday night game.  FDU has an open date in week one so they'll scrimmage Saint Lawrence in Albany.

I could tell you more, but then why would you order the Kickoff Special?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2005, 09:34:35 am
Kieth

Not sure what is meant by that post.

Goron

Have read the issue thoroughly, and am interested to know if there are any significant changes in your predictions due to significant injury, surprises etc....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on August 29, 2005, 09:34:47 am
Any news from albright, Susq, LVC, and lyco camps ?  Any freshman making good impacts yet?

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 29, 2005, 11:41:57 am
Bman:

No, I haven't learned anything that change my predictions on the season.

Both Jacoubs (Moravian) and Carmon (Del Val) sat out scrimmages this weekend but both will be ready on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 01:46:04 pm
LinerNation, let me guess, your son went to high school at P-Burg?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 02:04:49 pm
This link has the Express Times Football preview edition, you have to scroll down on the index page to see the MAC preview.
Preview (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2005, 02:45:04 pm
Warren

I noticed that there is a Freshman on WU's roster from Annville PA...Isn't that cause for a shun? :)

Will he be allowed home for harvest?!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 29, 2005, 03:18:46 pm
Not only will this deserter be shunned and kept out of harvest, but his hog-calling privileges will be annulled. As well, no restaurant in Lebanon County will ever again serve him shoo-fly pie or scrapple ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 03:53:57 pm
No Scrapple?  How cruel you people out there are Warren, how cruel!   ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 30, 2005, 02:18:39 am
LinerNation

Just tell your son to hang in there and he will proceed up the depth chart, and he will get his shot.  For a freshman to break into the starting line up with only a camp for college level experience is a tough call, unless he is extremely talented or very fast and large. Most schools have a limited JV program and that is where he can excell and catch a coaches eye, and succeed. Tell him not to get discouraged as it will only get better for him.  Starting over as a freshman is tough , especially if he was a top dog at his high school.  Tell him to hang tough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2005, 12:56:47 pm
i dont think coach mangus showed much in the scrimmage last weekend. moravian is a tough team and a tough opening game. with so many starters back this year they are clearly the favorite to win the mac and make a big run in div III playoffs ...would be interesting to have a rematch with rowan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 30, 2005, 02:17:49 pm
Summer is over.  DIII is upon us.  Life is grand.

Latest from Chester is that the NexTurf is in and the lights are up.  It looks like WU has retaken the lead in the conference when it comes to facilities.

Go Pioneers
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 30, 2005, 02:19:21 pm
B-Man,

What is that picture?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2005, 05:50:36 pm
One of my all-time favorite spoof pictures...

It is Steve Bartman popping up from the hole that they found Saddam in...

Bartman being of the Cubs infamous foul ball interfence fame...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2005, 05:52:35 pm
ps Former WU...

Nice to have you back...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on August 30, 2005, 09:36:25 pm
FormerWU

  Tough to say wu has best facilities, have u seen susq, leb val, plus with the addition of albrights new field
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 30, 2005, 10:20:43 pm
I haven't seen all the fields yet, but Susquehanna's palace is tough to beat.

It's comparable to some of the best Division III facilities around (Cortland, Mount Union, TCNJ).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 30, 2005, 10:45:09 pm
Susquehanna gets my vote. Awesome surface (I think it's FieldTurf) and the fieldhouse is a nice backdrop.

I'm biased to LVC, of course. I've been told the field surface plays perfectly since they regraded it and put new sod in last summer. With the openness and beauty of the northside athletic facilities, and the hills and silos in the distance, it's a nice way to spend an afternoon.

I'm very interested to see how Albright and Widener turn out. But still, considering the neighborhood, I don't know how I'd feel about going to night games in Chester.  And Reading, well... :o

How's Del Val's field looking after the shredding during the Juniata game last year? Did they have to resod it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 30, 2005, 11:36:22 pm
As I mentioned in other posts, LVC will definitely surprise some folks.  Short of DV, I predict they will be competitive with anybody in the MAC.  Their defense is vastly improved, the offensive line has matured, and they got several good frosh that will impact the program.  Someone mentioned early on that there is alot of paridy in the MAC, I could not agree more.  Although I could not attend         inson scrimmage, I heard from reliable sources that LVC clearly dominated.  Go Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 31, 2005, 02:47:37 am
Ubrmesap..Readytorock...Tim Flynn

G.A. didnt show too much flash in Saturdays scrimmage against Ursinus. I think he wanted to keep a low profile before Moravian and see how the team did against another competitor.

As for their kicker, he has put in a lot of offseason time and effort in getting back to his 2003 form...hoping he has a good year.

As for the DVC field...it has made a comback from the hurricane game but do not know it it was resodded or not. Looks to be in fairly good shape but still could use a lot of TLC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 31, 2005, 09:19:22 am
I remember way back in the 80's when we played at LVC's field.  The field was like the bunny hill at Camelback.  I think that was where the phrase "Running down hill" was coined.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 31, 2005, 10:03:17 am
Lycoming has a promising freshman qb if he continues to grow into his potential like he did in HS.  Scott Kish from P-Burg NJ, I saw him play against Warren Hills the last couple of years and he was good.  Lyco has a good linebacker if he is playing from the same school Ryan Kopesky.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on August 31, 2005, 10:18:06 am
I remember way back in the 80's when we played at LVC's field. The field was like the bunny hill at Camelback. I think that was where the phrase "Running down hill" was coined.

Talking about crappy fields, at Albright a few years ago I got the luxury of playing on painted dirt.  LVC has a real nice field, is there still the ten minute walk over the bridge to get from the visitors locker rooms to the field?  I was tired before we even ran a play that day.  Susquehanna's field is beautiful, field turf definitely seems to be the way to go.  I was always partial to Wilkes and Wideners, I like the kind of nestled feel you get from the being in the valley at Wilkes and the trees at Widener.  Of course if I'm wrong about their locations, I havent been to either in a while and I might be suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from all of the cannons going off the last time I played at Widener!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2005, 12:18:05 pm
Splik

We only shoot the cannon when we score... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2005, 12:53:10 pm
i can feel it in me bones...corn is starting to turn brown and harvest time is on the horizone...days are getting shorter and cooler.....it must be football time!!!! I am ready for dvc to put a whoopin' in moravian this weekend and make a statement!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on August 31, 2005, 02:48:19 pm
bman
I knew that.  you just happened to score quite a few times that game hence the PTSD. 

on another note, is john port a 4 year starter?  it seems like people have been talking about him for quite a while.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 31, 2005, 03:13:54 pm
formerwu:

Yeah, the camel hump was flattened out last year and now the field is, more or less, flatter.

splik:

No, the locker rooms are now all on the northside in the fieldhouse. It's been that way for a few years now. It used to be that the visiting team's lockers were over in Lynch Hall, where the gym was, and they would have to walk through the quad and over the railroad track bridge. I remember it was sort of bizarre seeing an entire football team walking over in a big line as we'd be walking to lunch around noon before the game. I suppose at any other school, that would be considered intimidating for visiting teams. But since more LVC students probably attend Penn State games than LVC games on a given weekend, I guess it was more like a leisurely stroll.  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2005, 05:13:40 pm
Splik:

Yep, John's a four-year starter.  He had an extra year of eligibility because of health issues as a college freshman.

On a side note I had a chance to talk to him a little at MAC Media Day.  From the short chat, he seems like a good guy with a good perspective on his future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 31, 2005, 05:23:36 pm
Tim:

Correct on all counts. Visiting teams no longer have to trek over the bridge over the railroad tracks. LVC has entered the 21st-C.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2005, 05:49:02 pm
splik

Sorry...missed the obvious...never been accused of being the sharpest knife in the drawer...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 31, 2005, 10:40:29 pm

Pre-game Aggies vs Hounds hype with another Dapp quote on the Warriors at the end...Simba

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-fbc-smcollegeaug31,0,1348995.story?coll=all-sports-hed
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 31, 2005, 11:57:31 pm
Upbrmeasap...

Paint the picture baby,  paint the picture!!!

There is always so much parity in the MAC, as in "any given team on any given Saturday". No team can ever be taken lightly. During my first year as a spectator I was stunned how each team kept coming back. It almost seemed that the team who had the ball last got the "W".

Saturdays game  with DVC at Moravian should be a real barn burner.
Personally, I hope it dosent come down to a field goal to decide the winning team, but it very well may be just that.

AGGIES  28     Moravian  20

GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2005, 11:29:51 am
Moravian Greyhounds vs. #12 Delaware Valley Aggies

If you can't get to Saturday's game in Bethlehem, you can catch in on the 'net on PnG Sports:

http://www.sportsjuice.com/providers2/index.php?tname=delvalley

Pregame coverage begins at 12:30 as Coach Mangus gives us an extensive look at the team for 2005.  We'll enjoy some of 2004's finer moments one last time and get ready for the big opener with Moravian.

Plus we may even have a special halftime guest.

Drop us a line during the game if you're listening at pngsports@msn.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 01, 2005, 11:30:50 am
Tim
Intimidating has not been a word usually associated with LVC although they may have improved since I've left college.  
The only place I remember getting heckled was at Moravian on their homecoming.  Three drunken frat boys kept tchanting "Juniata Sucks".  That was the year that game made ESPN because one of Moravian's wide receivers ran straight into the goal post!

Are there any exciting non-conference games with the MAC this year?  Is Lycoming going two years in a row with 10 games?  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2005, 11:53:32 am
Splik:

The non-conference games are pretty tame.  Every team gets one, except Del Val who actually plays King's in their non-conference affair.  It counts in the standings for the Monarchs, but not the Aggies.

Rest of the non-conference games in order of potential interest...

Widener vs. Salisbury:  Should be a very good game and could impact their playoff hopes.
Moravian vs. Muhlenberg:  Season finale could have playoff implications if the teams don't win their conferences.
King's vs. St. John Fisher:  King's played them tough last year and will get a chance at the upset this weekend.
Lycoming vs. Ithaca:  Hopefully the Warriors will be more competitive, but IC is still a better team.
Wilkes vs. WPUNJ: Good way to start life without Trichilo
FDU-Florham vs. TCNJ: Ambitious draw for the Devils
Juniata vs. Dickinson: This weekend
Susquehanna vs. Ursinus: Ditto
Leb Val vs. Gettysburg: Ditto ditto
Albright vs. Ursinus: Next weekend
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2005, 01:15:56 pm
billman here is my take on the dvc/moravian game....  looking at the weather looks like a great day to play football. also coaching is a big factor for preparation and making adjustments during the game. couple that with I think knoblach is in for a huge season and looks to make a statement plus so many returning starters. I see dvc pulling away at the end for victory I am thinking a 28-17 score maybe a little higher with the same point differential. assuming the dvc players keep their heads on straight and come to play everygame I see them going thru the mac albeit not necessarily easy. lyco, moravian, albright and widener all are tough teams but i like our coach and team and believe we also now have some depth on our team which we didnt have in the past with injuries.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 02, 2005, 10:46:25 am
Story from todays Express Times previewing the Moravian Del Val game
Moravian (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1125652143274370.xml&coll=2/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 02, 2005, 11:08:48 am
Gordan
I'm sure you've seen the schedule, but FDU actually opens up at home with Del Val before going to CNJ. Nothing like scheduling a cupcake early :) ;D

Seriously, I wish that everyone has a healthy season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 02, 2005, 06:19:30 pm
Warren...

The Flying Dutchmen getting some ink in th Patriot today!...Simba

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1125653038299210.xml&coll=1
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2005, 07:13:12 pm
Simba:

Thanks for the alert. I looked at the P-N Web-site this morning but failed to notice the LVC mention (it was 6.30 am, and I'd not then had a full cup of coffee).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 02, 2005, 07:32:08 pm
Do we now call Port "The 6 million dollar man"?

http://www.readingeagle.com/re/news/1420550.asp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 02, 2005, 07:32:21 pm
Also a more lengthy LVC preview in the good ol' Leb Daily. http://www.ldnews.com/sports/ci_2996057
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 02, 2005, 07:34:24 pm
"We have the technology. We can rebuild him..."

Man, that Shirk Stadium looks NICE.  Seatbacks and all... I might even be tempted to check that out now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 03, 2005, 02:14:16 pm
Got a barnburner in Gettysburg - LVC 20, Gettysburg 20 at the half. Ryan Brennan already has 120 yards on the ground on 11 carries, Dan Kelly has 72 yards rushing and 74 passing. 294 yards of total offense for the Dutchmen - a great sign.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 03, 2005, 08:30:02 pm
What a great day for football!!!  Sun , nice teperature, low humidity, and a great out of the blocks win for Del Val!!!  It was a good contest and somewhat of a nail biter until DVC put it in the book.  At one point it could have gone either way but the boys persevered. I, personnaly have not ever observed a QB like Knoblaugh. When he has to get it done, he does it.  Moravian is a good team and should not be taken likely on any day. In my opinion Mat Murphy sealed the game with his clutch Int.

Gordon, couldnt make it to the press box, maybe next week?? Tried to snag you at the track but you seemed to be on a mission...will catch up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 04, 2005, 08:39:54 am
Happened to be in Bethlehem for the Moravian DVC game.  Very exciting football in the second half.  First half saw Moravian put up only 3 points.  Seemed like when the QB was taken out with a personal foul very late hit, Offense seemed a bit out of sorts.  He returned in the 3rd and the team was fired up.  DVC are a very talented team, especially the Quarterback.  I must admit that with all the preseason DVC hype I expected to see a powerhouse roll to a big win.  Looks to me like, as usual, the MAC can go in any direction at any time.  On the officials front, I hope this was a case of first game jitters.  Too many late flags and inconsistent calling especially in the secondary.  Some of the pass interference calls were amatuer at best.

Looking forward to an exciting season across the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 04, 2005, 11:56:26 am
Was at the del val game on sat....from what i saw it was a good game

del vals defense which held jacoubs in check basically all day look pretty good except for some long balls that got caught...but if the defense plays well del val will be tough to beat...(one big thing is, the db's need to stay healthy)

del val offense look good at times...they drove the ball well but at times had a hard time finishing their drives which needs to change esp in this conference

del val special teams looked a little better from last year but need to find a consistent punter (tried 3 different punters throughout the game)

in other games what happen to leb val...the way you guys were talking i figured they would be able to get past gettysburg.. what happen gettysburg get better or leb val same old leb val... clue me in guys

wow..also what happen to wilkes...very surprised to see they lost esp to willy p
any info on that wilkes fans?

also any news from kings on their game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 04, 2005, 01:24:02 pm
for all the complaining about an interference call late in game going DVC's way, I guess there was a memory lapse concerning some horrific calls in the first 1/2 against the aggies...and the face mask call that even a blind man could see was a phantom call...nice to see aggies overcame all adversity and brought home the W
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 04, 2005, 01:56:33 pm
Actually, there were 3 interference calls against Moravian that were flat out wrong.  I agree that the face mask against DVC was wrong as well.  My point was that the officials operated at a Pop Warner level.

Would have been nice to see what Moravian offense could have done in the first half had it not been for the personal foul against the QB.  Tough way to lose a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 04, 2005, 04:08:30 pm
Readytorock...Did you happen to see a copy of The Intelligencer, if not have your player pick one up, If not let me know I have an extra. Your guy got some nice PR...

As for the officials, I feel it was 1st game jitters and also some questionable call, but that is almost any game anymore...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 05, 2005, 01:29:39 pm
Readytorock...You read that on here.  Looking forward to Saturday, glad it is a short week, work wise.  I hope the 2nd team gets some experience this week also. I have the paper and will bring it. Look for us in the parking lot.

This week.....Del Val  42    FDU   20.

GURU ??????  Thats rich!!

See ya there
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 05:02:14 pm
It seems to me to be a good thing that FDU has two starting QBs.  Especially given the personal foul roughing the Quarterback against Moravian.  I find it ironic that in all the banter about the DVC game, nobody adressed my earlier  comment.  A lesser team than Moravian might have felt the need to retaliate, but they appear to have way too much class for that and are too well coached to stoop to a cheap shot to ensure a "W".

Anyway, I wouldn't count too much on a 2nd team against a very hungry and talented FDU program.  Especially since effectively Moravian played one half of Offensive football against a "Nationally ranked" team and had the score 24-22 with 6 minutes remaining.

As I said before, DVC is a very talented team.  It should be a great season and I think they are in for some tough challenges as is every other team in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 05, 2005, 07:20:11 pm
Macfan762,

First of all i don't agree with ur shot at the personal foul call on sat that caused venturino to miss most of the game...it wasn't that late of a hit...it happens, its football...when u rush the qb with the speed these guys are playing with its very hard to just pull up at the last second...and i'm sick of hearing thats why moravian lost -thats not the reason-

First of all you need more then 250 yds of total offense to win a game

Also i haven't heard much bout del vals defense that keep jacoubs in check for 80 yds (when was the last time that happen)

so maybe instead of making an excuse for a personal foul call maybe you should compliment del vals defense for the reason moravian lost

also if the del val offense finished 2 or 3 of their drives that were below the 30 the score wouldn't have been close...

another thing is...if it was wasn't for 2 poorly punted balls that gave moravian great field position they would have never scored...its easier to score with a short field....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 05, 2005, 07:29:57 pm
your ripping the moravian guy for making excuses on why they lost yet you go and make excuses for why the game was close.... ??? ???

interesting....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 05, 2005, 07:54:53 pm
Readytorock...Did you happen to see a copy of The Intelligencer, if not have your player pick one up, If not let me know I have an extra. Your guy got some nice PR...

As for the officials, I feel it was 1st game jitters and also some questionable call, but that is almost any game anymore...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-09042005-536695.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 08:04:28 pm
Gee Bossman, I didnt realize you were sick of hearing about it as this is the first time anyone on this chatroom acknowledged the comment.  Indeed, Moravian had very good field position due to 3, not 2 weak punts.  DVC's defense is very solid, especially the D-line.  #90 Silver is very fast.

As for the late hit.  I beg to differ, it was very late.  But, as you point out, the Greyhounds had their chances even with a QB who I'm sure was hurting in the 2nd half, from a late flagrant hit to the helmet.  And no, late hits to the QB are not part of the game.  That's why they call it roughing the passer.  It's a penalty.  And yes, when you are so very fast, it is hard to slow up at the last minute, I understand that.  I never said it was intentional.

There are no excuses in football, it is a game of inches and chances.  I am a bit surprised that you guys are expecting the "2nd team" to get time this weekend.  A 31-22 decision based on the facts don't seem to call for that.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 08:21:26 pm
Good to see this room alive for a change.

Here are my $0.02 from this weekend...

  - Del Val was 3 for 3 in the red zone.  I don't remember them missing many opportunities to score more than they did.

 - I thought the officials called pass interference tight, but consistent, on both ends.  While the Moravian fans didn't like the erased interception late in the game, it was a penalty from what I saw.  You can't hit the WR after five yards and the bump came way down field.  Would Carmon have caught it without the bump?  I'm not sure, but you can't hit him before the ball arrives to prevent him getting a chance.

There were some other calls - one on Bliss and one on another Moravian - which both looked tight, but consistent.  The only pass interference call I thought was a little rough was where Moravian was flagged for hitting Marshall on fourth down in the first half.  I thought the defender had a five yard buffer zone for hitting a receiver, but the official saw it differently.

 - Venturino's a tough dude.  I didn't see the late hit, but he was certainly fired up on the sidelines after the when it was 24-22.  And Chad DeFelice made lots of tackles.

 - Very impressive showing by Del Val's run defense.  Thaxton led the team in tackles in his first start, Silver looked quicker and stronger and Albanesius and Pursell played very well.

As for this weekend, I wrote FDU had 100 recruits recruit but that was a mistake.  I meant they had 100+ players total return to camp.  Coach Mosca was very excited about this season when I talked to him in August.


Billman, sorry I missed you.  I got a little lost on the way to Steel Field.  Hopefully I make better time on Saturday and I'll swing by.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 08:28:09 pm
Indeed DVC looked good.  Not great.  Great would be demolishing a good team.  They did not do that.  Not even close.  Officials are part of the game and every fan sees their actiosn through their own glasses.  I saw the Moravian late push.  That was uncalled for and an appropriate penalty.  I do not have a selective memory, but like all fans I see it as objectively as I can, but as a fan.

How anyone can see a 31-22 win as a basis for planning a season long romp through this tough division is amazing.  I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 09:14:18 pm
Pat Coleman just sent me the following excerpt from the NCAA Rule Book concerning pass interference:

"Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a Team B player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and it could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable
forward pass. When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable. Defensive pass interference occurs only after a legal forward pass is thrown."

So it sounds like even the first half pass interference call on fourth down was justifiable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 05, 2005, 09:24:31 pm
Bossman,
Pursuant to your inquiry concerning LVC, I will admit I was somewhat surprised.  I expected them to get past Gettysburg.  I did not get to the game, as I had to be out of town for the holiday.  I did listen to the game over the internet and I would attribute the success of Gettysburg to the return of Coach Streeter and the ability
of making the big play.  Gettysburg is a far different team with Streeter at the helm than without.  In reference to your comment concerning this being the usual LVC team,  I still believe this team will finish in the top half of the MAC this season.  Considering this statement, if coming to fruition, would be a big jump for LVC.  LVC historically has had some great players, ie: in 2003 they won one game, however, offensively one could make the argument their skill players were as good as any in the league.  Defensively they were challenged and they had 4 froshmen and one junior starting on the offensive line.  You can't put together a winning program with those type statistics.  This is the first year within recent memory that the school is
giving the program the tools they need to win.  ( 11 coaches and close to 100 kids in camp)  I still very much agree that DV appears to be the team to beat in the MAC.  My question to you is Moravian that good or has DV read too much of the press clippings and took Moravian for granted?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 05, 2005, 09:34:44 pm
Macfan762: You have a selective memory of game day! Moravian was flagged 7 times for a total of 60 penalty yards including at least one unsportsman like for 15 yards.

Empire8fan: Did anyone ever find out why the St John Fisher Coach called that pass play in the fourth quarter that resulted in the interception and cost them the game against DVC in round 2 of the playoffs last season? For the life of me I can't figure what he was thinking... That QB didn't throw for 50 yards all game.. I guess he had a brain fart!!

 ??? i dont know, im a AU alum, i have no idea...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 09:48:19 pm
Mojo:

Moravian is very good.  They were selected high in the coaches' poll, got Top 25 votes in ours and certainly weren't overlooked by Del Val.

I don't think Del Val took them for granted.  Two good teams played each other and the outcome was close.  That's not an indictment of either squad.

By the way, congrats to former Aggie, now Rowan Prof Whetstone who -- like Matt Murphy -- intercepted two passes on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 06, 2005, 11:03:57 am
It is now Tuesday, no more Monday Morning Quarterbacking.... :P
What are the big matchups for this weekend? 
DVC plays FDU, could FDU go for the big upset like when they got Lycoming a few years back?  Over 100 players seems like a good start for that program. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2005, 11:19:57 am
Of all the match-ups this week, I'd circle Leb Val and King's.  Both come of disappointing, but non-conference, openers so this is sort of like a fresh start.

If Leb Val is going to crack into the upper half of the conference, they have to win this game.  I'm surprised King's gave up as many points as they did to SJF, so we'll see how they fare against Kelly and company.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2005, 12:16:43 pm
here here...bottom line is injuries and bad calls are a part of the game and good teams find a way to over come them. so cheers to dvc for a solid win against against a very good moravian team. i couldnt make the game but sounds like knoblauch should be called the ice man he is definetly cool under pressure... i am looking forward to a dvc-fdu game this week. it should be a good game. so enough with complaining about late hits and bad calls the game is over and the next game is on the horizon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 06, 2005, 08:38:16 pm
Gordon:

And let's not forget the OT finish to last year's LVC-King's game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 06, 2005, 10:14:17 pm
Macfan762
   Get over the late hit call and move on.....I saw the game and personally didnt feel it was that late of a hit. Unfortunately it hurt Moravian and so goes the game. It could have been Del Vals OB that went down also...thats the game they play...football. As a fan you should know this.

Bossman05 is right on the money with his comments.

This is a much faster game than the one we used to play and unfortunately injuries are more prevalent at this level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 07, 2005, 01:01:31 am
Gordon...Have we lost that many posters during the change to this new format??? I miss all the trash talk and hype....where is everyone???


Macfan762...The mark of a great team in my opinion is consistent winning....they try and do most everything right. By running it up on every opponet is not the sign of a great team. Saturdays game between Moravian and DVC was a good game.  I guess if Moravian ran it up on Del Val then they would be a great team in your opinion???  Every team has to put up with referees and thats something we as fans or even the team coaches cannot control so we have to live with their calls.   A romp through the MAC is winning each game as they come along. That is the mark of a Great team.  There is, in my opinion, no romping through the MAC as there exists so much parity in all the teams that once again "any given team, on any given Saturday..."

BTW.....who is the team you pull for week in and week out???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 07, 2005, 08:23:44 am
Of all the match-ups this week, I'd circle Leb Val and King's.  Both come of disappointing, but non-conference, openers so this is sort of like a fresh start.

If Leb Val is going to crack into the upper half of the conference, they have to win this game.  I'm surprised King's gave up as many points as they did to SJF, so we'll see how they fare against Kelly and company.

Considering that Kings had 19 starters back yeah im surprised as well....i figured w/ all that fisher lost the game would be much closer. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 09:51:50 am
I believe it is clear that I've dropped the subject days ago.  I give you DVC guys credit.  You have a funny way of zeroing in on one aspect of a non-DVC fan's post and dwelling on it days after it is dropped.  However, other points like the inconsistency between DVC's good (not at all great) performance and the belief that the DVC 2nd team will see time against FDU get ignored.  Let's see what the season brings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2005, 10:27:59 am
macfan we may zero in but you dont answer the question....2 posts above your last post it is asked which team you pull for week in and out? but alas you dont answer and just continue to stir the pot....and yes dvc second teamers very well may see time against fdu this weekend. so pls enlighten us with your team and more of your wisdom and prediction of the outcome of the dvc/fdu game this weekend...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 11:13:26 am
In one of my earlier posts, I indicated that I was a fan of Moravian.  As for the pot, it seems to do a good job stirring on it's own.  I am new to this website and the posting area.  I think it would be much more interesting if other people would post objective views.  It gets a little boring trying to predict whether DVC will be good, great or tremendous on a particular weekend.  I am not a believer in trash talking, but that's just me.  Just remember, the more you guys pump up, the bigger the target.  A few years ago, everybody wanted to beat the Dallas Cowboys, now, nobody could care less.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 07, 2005, 11:47:35 am
I'd never thought I'd see the day that all anyone wants to talk about it Delaware Valley.  It used to be all of the Widener & Lycoming alums monopolizing the board.  BTW how good are they this year?  I saw Lyco has not played yet and opens with my favorite team this weekend.  Did Widener play and were they any good? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2005, 11:56:44 am
lyco who??? widener who??? never heard of those schools....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 07, 2005, 01:11:27 pm
I havnen't heard anything yet from Chester.  Will know soon enough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2005, 01:39:03 pm
Widener, like Lycoming, Albright and FDU-Florham, was idle last week.

They open with Wilkes this weekend in Edwardsville.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 03:49:00 pm
I'm not sure what anybody's thought's on Albright are?  I know they haven't played yet so this weekend will tell.  I saw Port play last year and he is an excellent QB.  Looking forward to seeing how they do this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 07, 2005, 07:27:51 pm
 
Macfan762,
  Sorry to say it but i disagree again...The Cowboys are still americas team and will always be...even though they might not be as good as they were once they will always have that stigma about them(i dunno if you rem they also made the year b4 last) but anyway are you saying just b/c lyco had a bad year last year no one would care if they beat them this year... i don't think so whenever lyco is on ur sched its a big game no matter what their record is or was the year b4

another thing we should all want the pot to be stirred thats why we are all here right???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 07, 2005, 09:01:46 pm
At the risk of opening a large can of worms - the Cowboys aren't America's team. Their team jersey sales were sixth in the NFL last year - behind Philly, New England, Pittsburgh, Oakland, and Green Bay. They lack the iconic players of the 90's like Aikman and Irvin and Smith. And most importantly, with Houston and Detroit's new cribs, they're no longer the only team in the league with a hole in the roof so God can watch too  ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2005, 09:50:47 pm
Just to join the fun, I agree with Flynn.

There's a generational element to the claim that Dallas is "America's team."  It stems from a 1979 highlight video with a name that stuck.  See here for details - http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/America's-Team.

But someone my age or younger who's not a Cowboys fan probably doesn't relate to that era.  I know about Staubach and Landry, but their historic signficiance isn't any more vibrant to me than the "Purple People Eaters" in Minnesota or the "Steel Curtain" in Pittsburgh.  "America's team" is just another nickname associated with a particular era.

But the Cowboys were dominant in the 1990s...

That alone doesn't make them America's team.  The 49ers were dominant in the 80s and the Patriots have been more than okay this decade.  But I wouldn't characterize either one as "America's team" based on their dominance, even with the nationalist New England nickname.

But the Cowboys have a national following...

In the age of Direct TV, internet coverage and a proliferation of other ways to follow most teams from any point in the country, the Cowboys' national prominence fades.  When there was relatively limited media attention, the Cowboys may've enjoyed prevalent coverage that gave them a following outside Dallas.  But in this age, I can pretty make any team I want my team regardless of where I live.

As living evidence of this, I'm a Bucs and Raider fan living in Philadelphia.  Though I must admit the E-A-G-L-E-S are a nice way to bring community spirit to the City.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 08, 2005, 06:44:34 pm
Please keep the discussion to items of the Middle Atlantic Conference and Division III.

Thank you.

That is all.

I am the walrus.  Koo-koo-kachoo.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 12:04:44 am
We interrupt this message board to bring you a programming note...
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 09:24:18 am
aint no thing....dvc wins going away....i feel a 35-14 score with dvc a little slow coming out of the gate with a emotional game last week against moravian but wake up in the second quarter and go about their business and take over the game at that point....GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 09, 2005, 10:22:54 am
Ubrmeasap....Dosent it seem that DVC always get off to a slow start. I dont know why that is but I observed it last year too. It seems like they had to be slapped in the face to get the adrenaline pumping or something. I forsee a big scoring day for the Aggies but not until the second quarter and then the wheels may fall off for FDU. However last year FDU played tough all day, as I remember. I  know they refurbished their stadium and hope they updated the visitor side. Those bleachers were something to behold.
GO AGGIES!!!

MacFan762...Dont be thin skinned here, let it all hang out...This board used to be brutal, with all of the trash talking, and it was fun reading the posts...I think many of the posters have not picked up this new site or havent registered.   It seems like all of the Lyco, Wilkes, and Albright fans have hibernated early, dont know why, the season is still young...What about it Simba, havent heard any acid balls from you in a while...Away on business???

Albright...I feel Port is going to have a very good year...but not as good as last year???  His receiving corp. graduated and we all know he can deliver the ball in the right spot but can the newbies catch them??




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 09, 2005, 10:47:49 am
Billman, To answer your question, the newbies at Albright (The new receiving core) has quite a lot of talent.  From what I have heard they are very athletic, and seem to be very hungry.  Overall though they are going to be a very talented group, young, but talented.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 09, 2005, 11:23:25 am
well fellas ill tell u what.....widener is ready for wilkes...... the trickster is no more and i wasnt too impressed with the off. perf. last week...i dont think wilkes will win 3 games this year......but then again they have one game under their belt and this is widener's opening week...that is a bigger advantage then most think........by the way wilkes is no univ. of penn. and widener smashed heads with them last week at franklin field....i read a comment in an earlier post about all the del val talk and i agree...enough...how about the other teams....and yes port of albright can throw the ball of course he can he is a delaware county product...ne who it should be an interesting week .....

p-i-0-n-e-e-r-s
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 09, 2005, 11:39:44 am
Billman

We are just coming out of hibernation....I guess I'll start out the brutality...

The last D3 game I saw was last year DVC against Rowan.  I was hoping the MAC had a good showing against the Beasts of Brown.

It's true that DVC got off to a slow start in that game...they then got slapped in the face, and responded by rolling over....!  Some showing... ;D

also, you should know that Simba only comes out after Lyco victories...so we should see him about 3 times this year.... :P

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 09, 2005, 12:10:56 pm
smashing heads in a scrimmage is a lot different than a real game, but Widener may be very good for all I know.  did anyone really answer how good lycoming is supposed to be this year? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 12:20:43 pm
lyco who???? arent they a community college?  ( i say that to bug my sister who is a alum....)  yes the beasts of brown took it to dvc last year but let us not forget the following week talk about rolling over rowan got taken out behind the woodshed and beaten like a rented mule....that was a classic i am far away from home and just want to get out of here....fdu's beating comes this week with wilkes on deck and lyco's smashing in the hole!!! GO AGGIES!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 12:23:58 pm
yes billman i dont know why dvc tends to start out a little slow but they need to wake up earlier because at some point it may catch up with them. i am not sure whether the coaches need to do it or the captains and seniors but they need to come out of the chute much quicker
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 09, 2005, 12:28:11 pm
Predictions for 9/10

Widner over Wilkes
Moravian over Susquehanna
Delaware Valley over FDU
King's over Lebanon Valley
Albright over Ursinus
Lycoming over Juniata

Opinions appreciated...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 12:52:11 pm
Rosey:

I'd agree with one exception -- Leb Val over King's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2005, 01:07:20 pm
Thanks, Gordon ... I guess.

Hope you didn't put the hex on the Valley.  ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 09, 2005, 01:23:40 pm
gordonmann:

Very interesting... I didn't think people would give Leb Val that much credit.  I thought that it was easy to pick King's over Leb Val, but you think different.. fair enough... we will see this weekend of course.. good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 09, 2005, 01:24:45 pm
This is a story about Moravian from todays Express-Times:
 Moravian  (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1126257008259590.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 09, 2005, 02:00:45 pm
LVC over Kings is a sure thing, as long as Kelly is healthy.  This kid is as much a threat on the ground as he is in the air.  Not your usual D3 QB.  Everybody wants to talk about Port, he definitely is good, but he is a drop back pro style QB.  He is not much of a threat on the ground. If he has protection, he will kill you in the air.  Kelly, although a good passer, probably is a better runner.  This kid has wheels.  Go Dutchmen! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 09, 2005, 02:33:07 pm
Is Kelly from LVC running or running for his life?  What kind of offense does LVC run and are they any good at it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 02:53:11 pm
Rosey:

For what it's worth, I think Leb Val's offense with Kelly and his receivers can score.  I'm less confident in King's ability to do so.

Now Leb Val's defense is another story...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 09, 2005, 03:09:06 pm
Gordon, and that assesment comes from the fact you have seen how many King's games the past three years........????   ;)

I think the answer may be one (1)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 09, 2005, 03:12:26 pm
.....and that was last season. :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 03:19:42 pm
I believe Gordon has seen King's play each of the past two seasons -- against Wilkes in 2003 and Delaware Valley in 2004.

And I saw them score seven last week against St. John Fisher. Fisher isn't exactly a defensive juggernaut -- allowed 23 a game last year.

I'm definitely going to defend our guys' right to express their opinion because I know I can trust them to punditize (?) responsibly. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 09, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
rowan got taken out behind the woodshed and beaten like a rented mule....

So does that mean that DVC got beaten like the rented mules, rented mule?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 03:58:31 pm
Actually if we go three years from September 9, 2005, I've seen them three times -- Wilkes, Del Val and Widener in 2002. 

That clearly makes me an expert.  ;)

In all seriousness, I'm not an expert on King's offense.  I just have more trust in Leb Val's offense with their best player back (Kelly) than King's without their's (Jackson).  Barnic was just 8 for 22 last year against a dreadful Dutch pass defense and that was with a running back who could take pressure off him.

Again, just my opninion.  That combined with a dime gets you a steaming cup of JACK SQUAT to quote the late comedian who lived in a van down by the river.

If I'm wrong it won't be the first (or last) time.  :)

Stalker:

I figured, at Del Val, they would choose not to beat donkeys or other important partners in the agricultural process.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 04:06:56 pm
<<I figured, at Del Val, they would choose not to beat donkeys or other important partners in the agricultural process.   >>

hey now!!! :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 09, 2005, 11:02:48 pm
In reference to LVC's Kelly running vs running for his life, it probably is a little of both.  However, keep in mind with the exception of Mike Dougherty (graduated), this is virtually the same oline the past 3 seasons, with one more left.  Experience is a great teacher.  Granted, there are superior olines in the MAC, however Kelly has it better than his predessor.  Also, Monas runs a fullback in his offense, Selechia didn't giving the QB a little more protection than in the past.  Defense is still suspect.  For LVC to achieve being in the upper half of the MAC, (Like I think they can), the D is going to have to pick it up.  Remember Kelly rushed for over 100 yards against Gburg and passed for substantial yards.  When comparing Kelly to his peers in the MAC ,there is probably not another QB in the league that is as much of a threat on the ground.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: OLDAGGIE72 on September 10, 2005, 04:54:02 pm
Great Job Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 10, 2005, 05:36:25 pm
Very disappointed to see the LVC-Kings score today.  Starting the season at 0-2 was not what I had envisioned for this year's team.  I was not at the game and did not get to listen on the webcast, although I did listen to the webcast of the G-Burg game.  Does anyone who saw the game have any insight into why we have started 0-2? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 10, 2005, 06:17:22 pm
Aggies 49 - FDU - 3

Yeah, Aggies...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 10, 2005, 06:31:43 pm
that was 588 total offensive yards! Knoblauch 19 of 33 for 281 and Carmon had 8 catches for 161 yards  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2005, 08:12:09 pm
Not so great moments in sports predictions...

"I really don't think the Jets can win the Superbowl, no matter what Namath says..."

"No one's beating the Red Army hockey team in the Olympics..."

"For what it's worth, I think Leb Val's offense with Kelly and his receivers can score.  I'm less confident in King's ability to do so."

Okay, so I'm a doofus.  A doofus who was wrong about King's.  A doofus who was very wrong about King's.  :-X

I revoke my own privileges to talk about the Monarch's offense until I clear my thoughts with Bob Ziadie.

Seriously, nice job by the Monarchs.    My sincere apologies, Bob. :)
 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 10, 2005, 08:16:39 pm
Wow!  What happened at the Albright game???  Is Ursinus that tough of a team this year???  I was very surprised to see how close that game was.

Also, what's up with the HUGE scoring of points???  Iwas reading the scoreboard and there was a game 69-62 plus lots of scores in the 40's and 50's while the opponents were very low scoring.  Don't these teams put their secondaries in???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2005, 09:14:47 pm
Specialist:

ReadytoRock was at Del Val's game so he knew about Miller.

You were at Albright's game and knew about their kicker.  Seems fair to me.  Whatever the award is, I hope he shares it with Port. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:01:40 pm
dog...thankd for the quick update on Albrights "Newbie" receiving corp...looking forward to that game an observing the talent.  I will be checking their stats on the MAC website.  Sounds like Albright wasnt firing on all 8 today??

bman...Sorry, I lost my head regarding Simba.  I think we may hear from him maybe 4 times this year???

MacFan762.....49-3 DVC at FDU...Yes that was a romp.

Gordo....what is the PAT conference record??

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:11:02 pm
MOJO...I havent observed Kelly this year but when comparing QBs' as a ground threat you may want to take a look at DVCs' Knoblauch. He has a great set of wheels. Today he ran down a player who made a pic on him approximately 70 yards and caught him from behind. He is a definite threat by ground or air.

Readytorock...nice game for your guy today, especially in the end zone...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:30:19 pm
Ubrmeasap......Well here it was again today, another slow start for DVC...7-3 1st quarter.  Maybe we have to beat that mule in pregame to get him fired up??? Any suggestions.

MacFan....Just FYI, the 2nd team for DVC played most of the 4th quarter. I know I was presumpious in preditcing that, but then again it was only a prediction. Look like your team had a good day. Congrats...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 11, 2005, 02:00:29 am
Billman,
Albrights O seemed decent today.  Not their usual selves all and all, but the youg wr's played well.  The game was so close due to the fact that the Albright Special Teams unit manged 5 turnovers.  Including a fumble on the opening kick.  The D played great, and The O, especially some of the young wideouts looked pretty good throughout (although the offense was barley on the field in the first quarter) they came back from a 24 - 0 (special teams) deficit.  And played big at the end. IMHO they will be a very tough team throughout the year. A wins a Win right?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 10:45:23 am
dog...sounds like the team is just geeting started, getting the kinks out...Yes a "W" is a "W" as long as it is in the right column...Good Luck
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2005, 11:28:24 am
I have to admit, I am pretty bummed about WUs start.  I was hearing good things, but it seems that every year recently, they trip themselves up at the beginning of the season, and by the end of the season are in a win at all costs mode...which they haven't done....

Anybody see the game/have some analysis?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 11, 2005, 12:12:31 pm
Gosh, did I make a wrong call.  I was certain that LVC would handle Kings.  I was wrong!  Kings played a great game.  I will still remain hopeful for the Dutchman, but they are now at crunch time, with their toughest games yet to come.  If they don't take care of business this week with Juniata, it appears the program is losing ground from last year.  How good is Lyco?  Concerning Knoblauch vs Kelly being a threat on the ground, Knoblauch is playing behind a superior o-line and seldom gets flushed from the pocket.  Historically, being a LVC QB is akin to being a kamikaze pilot.  Minimal protection and massive impact at the conclusion of the mission (play).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 11, 2005, 02:49:02 pm
Also to correct Specialist, I believe there was only 1 int on Albright.  It was early in the game, and from what I saw Byron Haupt, who played exceptional, was maulled by an Ursinus LB, and the centennial refs closed their eyes to it. Which gave Ursinus the INT. If Haupt was not molested I am sure he would have been on his way to the endzone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 05:08:32 pm
MOJO...Good luck to Kelly this season except when he comes to Doylestown..."Banzai"!!!!!!!!!


bman....I sat down with Coach Brown during recruiting, didnt think he had it together at that time, do you think he is in over his head???  There was a lot of talent there then and I am not aware of the talent there ow. any ideas??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 08:19:03 pm
Specialist 13...What were  ACs kickers numbers...The career record was held by Dennis Unger, also from Albright and the number was 121 PATS. Congrats to the kicker for this acomplishment. 

I guess that leaves the DVC kicker this year and next to break the new record???

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 11, 2005, 10:06:38 pm
New D3 poll is out.  Albright fell off of spot #25.  Come on Albright - we need more MAC teams in there!   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 11, 2005, 10:23:07 pm
Albright's problem was fumbling 3 kick/punt returns.  2 of those, and Port's INT resulted in 17 Ursinus points.

I'll be in Chester on Saturday for Lyco/Widener.  Good history between those two.  Should be good to see both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 12, 2005, 09:57:37 am
I read the game recap on LVC's website this morning and was surprised by two things.  First, we threw three interceptions, two of which were in the red zone (and one of those was picked in the endzone).  Second, last week's leading rusher, Ryan Brennan, didn't appear to get many carries, as our leading rusher was Payton with 49 yards on 7 carries.  Did Kelly have an off day, or were the interceptions the product of too much pressure on the QB, or were the receivers to blame?  Was Brennan hurt?

Another thing-the defense definitely appears to have taken a step back from last year, giving up 34 and 27 in the first two weeks compared to (if I remember correctly) 3 and 0 in the first two weeks of 2004.  I anticipated that the defense would be a strength this season.  Any insight?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 12, 2005, 10:17:28 am
Billman

FormerWu is a better person to respond to that question.  He is closer to the coaching staff, than I am...

I will ask him to respond.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 12, 2005, 10:35:55 am
bman...Keep the faith .....it is the opening game. They will respond and come back hard. Now if they dont, some major adjustments need to be made, personnel wise or maybe in the inner circle???
WU has always played everyone tough and I look for that next week against Lyco...should be another great MAC contest.

Also looking forward to FormerWUs' insight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 12, 2005, 11:24:30 am
billman, i thought dvc might start out slow after the emotional win the week before and take over in the second quarter. the key to me will be in a couple of weeks against lyco they better not fall behind early, coach girardi has had this game circled for a while now on his calendar the positive for dvc is lyco has a emotional game against widener this week and it is tough to get up 2 weeks in a row.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 12, 2005, 12:18:41 pm
Any Widener Alums going to be at the game this weekend ? I will be. Can't wait !!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 12, 2005, 12:31:39 pm
Chum Slam...Where have you been hiding??? It is week three coming up...have looked for your posts.


ubrmeasap....Yeah another slow start. I wasnt too concerned only because it was FDU, and I am NOT slamming the school or team by any stretch. Just saying that they have to step up either talent or coaching as they have the numbers. Again it is only MY OPINION!!

This week should be a better test and look for the same result...a "W". 

Aggies...36...Wilkes...14

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Albright special teams
Post by: patron2 on September 12, 2005, 01:24:22 pm
If I were the head coach at Albright... My special teams guys would have had two options after the game..

Option #1, walk home.
Option #2, run along side the bus with your hand slammed in the door.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 12, 2005, 03:04:23 pm
Billman - I don't know how we put up a goose egg this weekend.  I haven't seen the team yet this year.  I usually try to make the Penn scrimmage, but was too busy.  I spoke with Coach Wood at the golf outing this summer.  He was very upbeat and confident.  He got his usual slew of incoming freshman this year, and a good core of returning players to build upon.

It is hard to imagine that a WU team would have trouble scoring points.  I am confident the right adjustments will be made before Saturday.... I hope.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 12, 2005, 03:16:26 pm
Gordon:

Thanks for the apology, but was not needed. I was just saying that King's only played one game you weren't there. I know if I had not seen a team play I would not feel compelled to offer that type of an assesment.  I know Pat was there and that first game was not pretty so he would have been a little more qualified to make that statement.

What most people don't know is that a lot of new stuff was added to the offense, such as four receiver sets, bunch sets, and the shotgun for the first time ever, and that first week the team really struggled.  King's threw the ball 38 times and only ran the ball like 33 times against SJFC, but ran it pretty well, averaging 4.5 yards per-carry. Against LVC, I had a feeling it was  going to be "old school" King's with a greater committment to the run.  Also, several changes on defense to get more speed on the field made a difference, at least in this game. Who knows what the future holds. With a very good Moravian team next week, I am sure lots of questions remain to be answered.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 12, 2005, 03:50:25 pm
Just wasnt thinking about posting til I realized Wideners biggest game was coming up. I can not wait. I still remember beating them 35-o at their house, best feeling ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: smarty on September 12, 2005, 04:27:47 pm
Anyone have any insight on the Lyco/ Juniata game?  I have not even had the time to look at the summary.  Does Lyco have the ship righted this year or is Juniata just that bad or is it both (seems likely)? 

Edit: from the game summary seems like Lyco has found their running game again, I hope they keep up the good work.  Congrats on step one Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 12, 2005, 06:09:05 pm
As for Bob Ziadie's comments...

I think SJF showed just how strong they are once again after another huge blowout.  The final score from this week's game against Rochester is inflated b/c the starters didn't play for the final third of the game. 

Interesting that Hopkins scored 9 points on Roch and SJF scores 50-some.

I think King's should rebound after a brutal week one.  Props to them for scheduling a tough opponent.  It doesn't happen all that much anymore.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 13, 2005, 09:08:28 am
I was at the lyco.juniata game,  juniata just couldn't get anything going.  Lyco's defense was solid, and the offense moved the ball consistently, with a few big plays mixed in.  Both teams had plenty of turnovers.  If lyco can protect the ball on offense and the D continues to get better- they could makes some noise in the mac.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 13, 2005, 11:05:45 am
Pat:
I would agree about SJFC being a very good team. They were very impressive against King's and a lot of people involved with the program think they are a better team than last year, even with some of their personnel losses. That remains to be seen, but they are certainly a quality team.  Coach Mannello said before the SJFC game that he wanted to play a tough non-conference game in week one because he did not want to go into the MAC opener not knowing what the team's weaknesses were until the game was half over.  That said, there are eight games left and the personnel and philosphical changes against LVC worked, but there are plenty of tough teams on the schedule so we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 12:22:40 pm
Does anyone out there know where the kicker from Lyco went or did he just not want to continue playing? Chris Shrader was a very good kicker but had an off year last season. he was ALL MAC 1st Team as a Freshman in 2003.

Also, I see Kevin Keller came back to the MAC after 2 seasons with LVC and didnt play last year and is now at Wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 13, 2005, 12:34:15 pm
I asked my son the same question....
He believes that Shrader's grades also had an off year and he transfered to a community college.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 01:39:55 pm
LurkinMomma...Thanks for the info. Kid had a lot of talent then again, academics have to be there also. Kids....Right...go figure.

Are you a lyco fan I take it??? What is the prediction for the rest of the season after last week??
Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 13, 2005, 01:56:42 pm
 ;D Really.... How do you think a players Mom would be likely to answer that?

Actually, my boy says they are very confident in what they are capable of, strongly motivated and ready to prove that last year was a fluke. He was part of the 2003 Champ team and feels like things are back on that track. To me they looked awesome!

I know nothing about football which is why I read the boards. I try to get a feel for what's going on around the division so I might have a clue when at the games.  That's why I don't add to the discussions (note my screenname).

.......................... back to Lurking  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 03:16:41 pm
LurkinMomma

Thanks for the reply. Yes you will learn some things here. I have also learned that you can never count a MAC team out of a game as there is so much parity within the conference. A Lyco team is almost always respected before the playing begins and also during the game. Well thanks for your insight to the current team and will see you in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 13, 2005, 04:18:12 pm
my prediction....  Ugly defensive game, WU 13 Lyco 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: smarty on September 13, 2005, 04:43:06 pm
my prediction....  Ugly defensive game, WU 13 Lyco 7

A low scoring Lyco/ Widener game?  what has the world come to?  Not like the good old days...

Despite the fact I have not been paying particuarly close attention, I'm going to say Lyco 17, Widener 13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 08:41:46 am
Definately not the 50-49 double overtime thrillers we used to have. But last years 7-0 was a great game also. I look forward to another knock down drag out game.  What a day I have also Widener-Lyco, Delaware-WC, then bachelor party for a friend !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 14, 2005, 08:43:34 am
I also think the lyco /widener game will be a low scoring ugly affair....lyco 17..Wid 13.
the difference will least turnovers and the better D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 08:48:52 am
enuf lyco/widener stuff they are a bunch of has beens   ;)    ...lets talk now and future about dvc and they are going to open up a giant size can of whoop arse on wilkes!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 10:16:09 am
Bunch of has beens? DVC is a bunch of never beens. One good season does not give anyone the right to say teams with rich histories are has beens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 10:24:40 am
those that can do those that cant talk about their rich histories!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 10:26:27 am
? complete sentences man !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 11:38:45 am
It has been more than one good season for DVC and Lyco is not a has-been, they were just in the playoffs two? years ago.  However, "rich histories" is a pretty lame thing to say.  Did Moravian recover from their defeat at the hands of DVC?  I have not heard anything about Susquehanna, are they not supposed to be the "next big thing" again?  I swear they were "the next big thing" for like 7 years running.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 11:42:12 am
How is that lame?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 12:05:25 pm
last i checked and looked at dvc's last 2 seasons i believe their record was more than respectable 'twas it not?  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:08:16 pm
Very respectable, I am not saying a bad word about them. However to call Widener/Lyco (especially Widener) has beens is a bit ridiculous. Congrats to the Aggies and aall of their accomplishments.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:24:34 pm
I do not know why the decision was made to take points off the board, however I can tell you the man only does things that give his team the best chance to win. Im not talking about the Johnson era, Im talking about the Jones/Colemen era. 28-2 in 3 seasons in MAC play. national Semis and National Quarters. If the entire coaching staff had not left I feel Widener would have continued its dominance of the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 14, 2005, 12:29:11 pm
Jones/Coleman were truly special players.. I dont know that Widener would have had the same level of success, but certainly more successful then they have been if the coaching staff would not have left...  Those 2 kids were phenominal and I would have liked to have seen the teams that beat those two guys in the playoffs..

The MAC is getting pretty competitive now... I think it will only make for a stronger post season performance from the conference champion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:33:02 pm
Mount Union Double teamed both all day and we couldnt run the ball. Bridgewater built a big lead early and held onto it. Both phenomenal teams, however we should have won both games.

9-1 the year after Jones/Coleman left...... Coaching was definately good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 01:56:57 pm
There is no doubt that Zwaan was a winner, and (in my opinion) WU would have finished higher in the standings if he were still here...but...remember that Wood took over a situation that seemed to be(info 2nd hand) in disarray....

He has had 3 years to get competitive...let's see how it pans out this year...

enuf lyco/widener stuff they are a bunch of has beens ;) ...lets talk now and future about dvc and they are going to open up a giant size can of whoop arse on wilkes!!! ;D

upbrmeasap - do you want me to send you the 81 stagg bowl video, so you know what a MAC national championsip team looks like? ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 01:59:56 pm
Woody will right the ship, theres no doubt in my mind.

And good call with the 81' Stagg Bowl tape.

When did you play?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 02:58:28 pm
"Never has beens" are you kidding me? A team goes a whole regular season without a single loss and they are "Never has beens"  Give me a break!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 03:04:00 pm
They are players in the conference but have never been National Contenders, ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 03:39:00 pm
That depends on how you define "national contenders."

Do you have to win the region to be a national contender? 

If so, Del Val is out.  So is Lycoming in recent years (1999 and on) since the closest they've come was the 2003 regional finals lose.  Using that criteria, only Widener has been a national contender by reaching the semifinals in 2001.  Of course, their "contention" took the form of a 40-point beating in Alliance.

If we expand the definition to regional finals - two wins from the Stagg Bowl - then Lycoming, Del Val and Widener have all been national contenders recently.

Or we could take a more qualitative definition -- it's not how far you get in the playoffs, but how likely you are to win a title.  If that's our definition, we can cross out the whole East region save Rowan post 1999.

While I enjoy the banter more than silence, it seems like the rhetoric is pretty elevated on both sides.

Lycoming's decades of success and a coach who's a proven winner prevent any "has been" label in my mind.  Heck, if they beat Widener on Saturday, the Warriors are in the thick of the conference race again.  If they win the MAC this year, 2004 starts to look like an aberation, not the end of an era.

Similarly Widener has enjoyed a farther run than any other MAC team since 1999.  For a group of "has beens,' they were very close to beating Del Val last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 03:49:54 pm
Gordon,
I sure hope that you don't think That I was saying that any team is a "has been" I was defending Del Val, not jumping on the "has been wagon" :-*
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 03:51:44 pm
Did I just blow Gordon a kiss?

let's try another smiley    ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 03:52:50 pm
yes by all means pls send me the '81 tape make sure to dust it off...they had video tape that long ago??? that was about the time cars were invented correct? lincoln was president i believe.... oh brother you people sound like bosox fans before last season....::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:07:16 pm
Chum

Check your e-mail

Also a good friend of mine was on the 81 team.  I didn't know a thing about WU prior to him going there...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 14, 2005, 04:08:08 pm
The tape is probably on Beta.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:10:10 pm
Oh I am sorry gordon, Our contention took us through a very tough eastern bracket (all 3 wins vs top 25 teams)with some huge wins on the road for a young team. And the 40 point loss at MUC, we should have won the game, there is no doubt in my mind. and the following year we beat the #3 team in the country in W&J. But we wouldnt know anything about being contenders. Plain and Simple DVC is not on the WU and Lyco plain yet, I believe they will be soon but not yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:13:39 pm
Gordon

Apparently my pot stirring worked!

My opinion is that if you make the playoffs you are a contender.  I would hope that MAC fans support any of the teams that make it out of the conference.   I made it to the DV RU quarter final last year, and was rooting for DV...

upbrmeasap

They have these machines now that convert film to tape and DVDs....theyr'e pretty amazing...what will they thnk of next.  PS I guess I'll have to convert some of my 8 tracks now.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:16:17 pm
I support all MAC teams in the playoffs, in my soph. year I was pleasantly suprised to see half of Lyco's team at our Hobart game. It meant alot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 04:18:43 pm
bman....LOL good stuff!!!!   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 04:30:40 pm
chum
how can you lose by 40 and say you should have won the game?  I can understand losing by a td or 3, but 40?  didnt they score 70?

Enough about ancient history.  who's winning their games this week?  Can Wilkes slow down DVC?  Who'll win the battle of the winless between Juniata and LVC?  Will Widener-Lyco live up to recent history? 
I say no, Juniata, and I dont know. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:34:12 pm
Chum

I was at that game as well...amused myself most of the game by mocking some Hobart fans next to me about those hideously ugly unis... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2005, 04:34:56 pm
Gordon is on the mark. While Lycoming had a down season a year ago, it would be folly to enroll them in the 'has-been' bracket. The Warriors have so much going for them ... the coach, the recruiting, the tradition, the home-field atmosphere -- you name it.

[And keep in mind I'm anything but a Lycoming fan.]

------------------------------

P.S. The only 'has-been' I know of in Pennsylvania is Penn State.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:44:36 pm
We had the lead twice in that game, we should have won. They made great halftime adjustments and came out firing. Scored 36 in the second half. Widener Lyco will be a brawl as always.

Yes they were very ugly. Like a retarded syracuse squad.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2005, 06:49:32 pm
All of this without me hurling at least one "acid ball"?....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 08:24:59 pm
Simba Lives....

...Lyco must have won last week. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2005, 09:29:20 pm
You're right bman...I only post when we win...Must have started when we ran off 4 straight undefeated years in the MAC, I couldn't control myself, all that winning, all that typing, week after week, year after year...According to some of the 2-year frontrunners on this board, I'll only be on here 3 more times this year...I know, overcoming the flashbacks of those endless posting years will be tough (the 2-year frontrunners are now experiencing the addiction firsthand)  but I know I can do it...I just know I can....Back to the Pride....Simba out...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 09:51:43 pm
Quote
Our contention took us through a very tough eastern bracket (all 3 wins vs top 25 teams)with some huge wins on the road for a young team. And the 40 point loss at MUC, we should have won the game, there is no doubt in my mind. and the following year we beat the #3 team in the country in W&J. But we wouldnt know anything about being contenders. Plain and Simple DVC is not on the WU and Lyco plain yet, I believe they will be soon but not yet.

Easy, killer.  I didn't say you weren't contenders. 

If you look at my post, you'll see my point was that under differing definitions of "contender," different teams can claim to be one.  Under one definition, Del Val can make that claim for 2004. 

And Widener certainly can claim that for the 2000 season.  I covered the Widener/Springfield playoff game and was very, very impressed at how prolific the offense was and strong the defense was.  Which side did you play on, out of curiousity?

I won't dispute your recollection of the Mount Union game other than to add the game story (http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=4423) indicates your leads were 7-0 and 13-7 and the Purple Raiders had a 22-point lead by the second quarter. 

I do agree with you, though, that Del Val is not on Widener or Lyco's level from a historical standpoint - they're not even close.  They have a long way to go given Lyco's tradition and Widener's two titles.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 14, 2005, 10:38:47 pm
readytorock...Dont ever take lyco or wilkes too lightly. This week is going to be a test. Every week will be tough from here on out. Everyone wants to bring down last years Champion along with improving their record this year and every team will be up for it. DVC has to bring their "A" game each week.

Coaching changes are part of each team and also with Lycos staff who have been their forever, you can never count them out as long as Girardi stays there.  How is that Simba.....Glad you are back...let the "Hurling" begin.
Lyco...13, WU..7

Try to get there early rockman...it is going to be a packed house!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 11:03:18 pm
were Hobart's unforms as ugly as Susquehanna's used to be? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 11:46:02 pm
Hobart and Susquehanna have similar helmets, though Hobart uses a different insignia obviously.  Some of their rivals call them the Pumpkinheads.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2005, 08:06:31 am
dvc takes wilkes out back of the woodshed and delivers their beating this week, while lyco is on deck  to have dvc hit them with so many lefts they beg for a right!!! and lvc is in the hole for their smashing!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 08:18:37 am
Gordonmann

Yes we had the elad twice that game, and they were up twelve at the half. I played offense, and it was F'ing cold in Springfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 15, 2005, 08:55:47 am
Diary of a Bad 3 minutes in the Bman household last night:

Bman to Wife:  Hun, I will be leaving for the Lyco game at 11:30
wife to Bman:  No you won't, you will be leaving at 8:00...but not for Lyco, but for Sesame Place....you promised...
wife to Bman:  And I already bought the tickets, so don't try to get out of it...
Bman to self:  Damn....

And for the Double whammy:

wife to Bman: Oh, and we are taking my niece and her little friend.
Bman to self:  Damn....


Simba...good to have you back... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:33:13 am
Heres something that really bothered me. Last year at homecoming my friends and I go thrown out of the game for being "too loud". We were not using profanity or slurs or anything like that. We were escorted out by Widener campus safety, about 50 of us.  :(  I hope that doesnt happen this weekend cuz I am gonna go nuts !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2005, 09:43:48 am
are you kidding me??? what is going on ....my friends had a similiar thing happen up at penn state and a number of college presidents have told their student body to not be too rowdy or loud or people will be escorted out of the stadiums....its ridiculous are we supposed to pay our money and sit on our hands and not say anything and be a impartial observer?? i am getting so tired of this stuff!!  >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:47:24 am
Atleast im not the only one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 15, 2005, 09:52:29 am
Chum

When you get older, I will be a good day if you just make it out of the hospitality tent....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:58:39 am
We had a keg up on the baseball field, then hit the tents, then the game. Great day, until we got the boot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 15, 2005, 10:04:14 am
Ubrmeasap....at least DVC will not be beating up on that mule again!! The large animal sciencs majors were upset earlier!

Rockman....7:am is not too early...I'll bring the coffee. Hope the weather holds out. I heard the field though, is saturated and has been for a while. The visitors sideline is really bad.  What we dont need is another quagmire like the Juniata game from last year. Maybe we could get the turf management majors to make the football field a project???

I still like Lyco over Widener

GO AGGIES!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 15, 2005, 10:16:16 am
I have been told by security that I am too loud at basketball games in the NJAC.  One time I was told if I continued to be that loud I would be asked to leave, that is when I shouted to the home crowd that security thought I was too loud and were going to tell me to leave.  I asked if they wanted me to leave and they all shouted no.  I won't name the school but its initials are TCNJ.  I don't know about everybody but I appreciate a visiting teams rowdy fans as long as they keep it peaceful, no fights and no personal attacks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 10:25:52 am
I love rowdy away fans also. I dont even mind personal attacks, it shows that they are passionate about their team and I respect that. MUC's fans were by far the worst ive ever seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 15, 2005, 10:39:44 am


P.S. The only 'has-been' I know of in Pennsylvania is Penn State.

And the Phillies, lets never forget the phillies, and the pirates, and Pitt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 11:05:42 am
Baseball sucks. And Pitt has taken a nosedive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 15, 2005, 11:23:30 am
too rowdy?  that's just ridiculous.  My senior year the dean of students was asked to leave one of our basketball games for being too rowdy....
The Phillies aren't has-beens, they're wildcards right now. 

But anyway, how could you not like watching football in a quagmire?  I guess ruining the field for the rest of the year would be bad, but it's still a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 15, 2005, 05:14:17 pm
The amazing Merlin tells me LVC 21 - Juniata 7.  LVC not getting taken to the woodshed this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 15, 2005, 06:34:07 pm
For my fellow MAC fans and especially Lyco-Widener fans....
http://williamsportonline.com/lycomingfootball/podcast.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 08:10:05 am
well readytorock don knows they are all playing for second place behind dvc baby!!!   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 16, 2005, 11:33:59 am
The weekly Moravian story from the Easton Express-Times:
 Moravian  (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1126861846130790.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 16, 2005, 12:00:20 pm
Predictions for 9/17

New Jersey over FDU
Widener over Lycoming
Delaware Valley over Wilkes
Lebanon Valley over Juniata
Moravian over King's
Albright over Susquehanna

Last Week (5-1)
OverAll Record (5-1)

Opinions appreciated....

Opinions appreciated...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 12:46:23 pm
awful quiet on hear for a friday afternoon figured someone would throw a hand grenade to stir things up..... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 16, 2005, 02:07:04 pm
awful quiet on hear for a friday afternoon figured someone would throw a hand grenade to stir things up..... ;)
My predictions:
Wilkes demolishes DVC, 70-2.  Allows safety on first offensive play then scores 70 unanswered points.
Lycoming & Widener play to 0-0 tie.  Game decided by penalty shots. 
Juniata blows up for 84 points.  Wins game over LVC 84-83, no OT. 
State of New Jersey breaks off of US during FDU-NJ game.  Pennsylvania celebrates having a new shoreline. 
 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 16, 2005, 02:10:18 pm
Predictions straight from the Snake Parlor for 9/17

New Jersey 22 FDU 17 - FDU will have some fight but not enough to win
Widener 31 Lyco 21
Wilkes 21 Del Val 17 - last second steal
Leb Val 28 Juniata 10
Kings 35 Moravian 21 - kings sticks with ground game
Albright 42 Susquehana 14 - port comes out of shell

i went to the albright game last week the D is what won them the game, look for them to shut down Susquehana this week, that is if their special teams improve.  because last week might have been the worst showing for special teams i've ever seen at any level including high school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 04:22:49 pm
agree with everyone predictions except for the dvc loss you fools!! ahhh whats the bother your all playing for second place anyway behind the beasts of dtown and coach mangus!!! bring it on you bunch of has beens!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 16, 2005, 04:31:13 pm
HOORAY for your one MAC Championship ! woohoo !! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 16, 2005, 05:52:19 pm
Devils, Hounds, Lions, Dutchmen, Aggies and Warriors all win!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2005, 08:37:17 pm
High comedy.  That's a great post.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 12:30:11 am
Speaking of comedy, a duck, a monkey and a bowling pin walk into a bar...

And they all listen to PnG Sports' presentation of Delaware Valley football on www.sportsjuice.com.

You can join them in taking in the action as the #10 Aggies take on the Wilkes Colonels starting with pregame coverage at 12:30 PM, kickoff at 1 PM.

Rimshot!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 17, 2005, 03:24:16 pm
Any word on the widener lyco game ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 03:32:41 pm
WU 15 Lyco 0  End of 3rd. :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 03:34:05 pm
DVC and Wilkes are tied up at 14, because im extremely bored im listening to the game, and its turned out to be a good one.  around 7 or 8 minutes left....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 17, 2005, 03:53:32 pm
any word on  DVC..update
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 03:56:42 pm
17-14 DVC final...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 04:03:27 pm
DVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 17, 2005, 04:04:42 pm
lyco goes down to Widener 15-7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 04:08:25 pm
DVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

Wilkes had a shot to really take a hold of the game w/ the score at 14-14, they had 4th and 1 deep inside DVC territory and threw a play action pass....great call but bad execution. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 17, 2005, 04:30:42 pm
FINAL:

LVC 35, Juniata 27.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 05:08:35 pm
Quote
DVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd think the Aggies take a hit in the voting this week.

What confuses me more is how this Wilkes team lost to WPUNJ.  The Colonels' defense is very good with an total stud at LB in Follweiler and the offense is efficient enough to give them a chance to beat good teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 17, 2005, 06:44:16 pm
Damage control this coming week...We beat the Aggies and we're right back in it along with everyone else!....The O-line must play both halves of the game...Not just the 2nd!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 08:25:28 pm
I'll let Pat respond to your conference ranking!!  DVC barely beat, @ home, a Wilkes team that was BEATEN by, as one of your cohorts referred to, a "bum" NJAC squad.  After LYCO beats you guys next week, then we'll find out who's lame.  If ya want to be a top ten team, then the mistakes shouldn't happen.  See ya in the top 20 for now ready to be LAME!! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on September 17, 2005, 08:27:37 pm
Lycoming looked good last year at Ithaca.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 17, 2005, 09:14:19 pm
I didnt know that there was gonna be a winner between LVC and Juniata... They both suck.

I can hear the announcer now...

"Congratulations, you both lose."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 09:27:13 pm
Christopher Newport was also ranked 16th at the time....wilkes wasnt even recieving votes going into this game.  Struggling vs a top 20 team is totaly different than struggling vs a .500 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 09:31:53 pm
No, they actually gained a spot.(7 to 6)  However, CNU has been a top 25 team for most of the last couple years and Rowan won in their house for the second year in a row.  My arguement with top ten is-- do you really think that DVC is better than Trinity TX?  Salisbury?? Ithaca??  At least these teams, as does RU, schedule tough non conference opponents year after year.  I take my hat off to Lyco. for scheduling the Bombers!!  

GOOD LUCK next week and take care of the football! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 17, 2005, 11:09:30 pm
I was at Lyco/Widener today.

Bottom line - both teams struggled mightily.

Lyco was lucky to have scored a touchdown.  They were granted a pass interference call in the end zone that kept a drive alive, and then scored on the next play.  Interestingly enough, a pass interference call against Widener on 4th & 10 late in the game kept Lyco alive and in with a chance.

Here are some assessments on both...and I make them here because it really isn't worth it to write about it my Around the Region column...

1.  WPU beat Wilkes, who beat Widener, who beat Lycoming, who beat Juniata.

2.  DVC beat Wilkes by 3.  But come on people, you said the same things about DVC last year.  The narrow margins of victory...the "cardiac kids."  That's them.  Some days they are really on, some days they aren't.  But here is what is clear to me having seen Lyco and Widener today...if both of those teams play DVC the way they played today, DVC rolls.

3.  Widener is not the Widener they once were, neither is Lyco.  The MAC has changed, it's been that way for a few years, but it took a while for people to really realize it. 

4.  Glenn Smith was pulled for being ineffective.  The backup threw an interception on his first play and seemed equally ineffective.  The Lyco offense is listless (to the tune of 22 plays in the first half for a TOTAL of 23 yards).  Widener's offense is slightly better than that, but lacked any real spark.  I mean, at one point, it was 5-0 Widener in the bottom of the sixth, and that little cart was on its way in from the bullpen.

5.  Widener's pep band is very good.  But do you HAVE to play like, the ENTIRE game.  Give it a break every now and then so I can think.  Also, I didn't think  bands could play during an actual play on the field.  They did...all day long.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 11:26:37 pm
ACMob:

Del Val, like the rest of the conference, doesn't have much room to schedule non-conference games.  This year they get to be the one MAC team who plays all 10 conference foes.  While WPUNJ wasn't a tough draw last year, Del Val and the Pioneers were equal when that contract was written up.  Maybe that changes in the future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2005, 11:57:04 pm
My arguement (sic) with top ten is-- do you really think that DVC is better than Trinity TX?

I actually think yes, that is probably true. But that doesn't make either one a Top 10 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 18, 2005, 12:20:47 am
One can't disagree with the D3 elite. ??? I get nothing but bad karma in here! :-[ So good luck to all the MACsters.  Peace. :-X
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2005, 12:28:32 am
I didn't ding you and I'm not sure the Pats did either.  Perhaps it was someone else.

I'll even applaud you if it makes you feel better. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 18, 2005, 09:01:50 am
Perhaps the answer is a DVC posting room.  That way 3 point victories in the final seconds can be discussed openly and all the posters can take turns talking about how "clutch" the kicker is.

I would have thought that consistency would be the mark of the top ten.  Not one day on, one day off.

Polls are for idiots anyway.  DVC will probably gain a spot this week.

And yes, I can even see "bad zebra" references in a pro-DVC post.  First sign of panic.

As for the Widener band, they are probably out right now buying new amps for the DVC game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 18, 2005, 09:56:14 am
Did noone else see that John Port from Albright College became the 12th player in NCAA Division III to surpass the 10,000 career passing yards? I think that is something we should all send our Congrats to.


CONGRATS John Port!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 05:02:18 pm
MacFan762

What is the matter with you today?? Didnt Moravian "Roll" over their opponet today by 30 or 40 points. You havent said a whole lot about the other MAC teams this far but yet you call yourself MacFan, I dont get it.  But all you have to say is a lot of negativity toward Del Val. I can understand this as your team  didnt win the MAC last year, but bad mouthing the 2004 Conference Champion sounds like sour grapes, especially since they came into your house and Spanked the Greyhounds.
It is also obvious that you didnt observe the DVC/Wilkes contest by your comment directed toward the referees and the miscues for both teams. Wilkes is a good to be reckoned with, especially their "D".  I cant wait until October 22, when the Greyhounds take on the Colnels, I guess then we may really hear some crying from you.

Simba.....I am short a couple of acid balls, can I borrow some???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 05:19:11 pm
ACMOB...Have you ever observed Trinity, TX, Salisbury, or Ithaca play in person or are your lame comments just from what you have read?
You also seem to post negativity and I will ask again who is your team you pull for??
Until you can "Qualify" your statement as to who should be in the top ten it is my opinion that you should do some more research. What is your criteria for a team to be ranked in the top 10???  It seems that everyone hates a winner when they are on a roll but it is so funny that I dont hear any negative comments regarding Linfield or MHB or the other teams that are consistently in the top 10.
Wait maybe I am the one who is wearing the rose colored galsses, Maybe DVC isnt that good after all, Maybe they shouldnt be in the top 25. Would that be more to your liking???

Simba...Help me here I am low on acid balls...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 18, 2005, 05:40:19 pm
Hi Bill,

Good to hear from you.  There's never any negativity from me towards DVC.  I don't know one player on the team so that would be stupid.  Like the Greyhounds, I tend to keep a low profile and let results speak.  Wilkes must be a very good team and yes, I too look forward to Moravian/Wilkes.

As was pointed out to me when I spoke of the personal foul that knocked out the Greyhound QB, "crying" about refs and other acts, however cheap, is pointless because it's part of the game.

One can only hope that the Hounds have a chance to play the Aggies again.  It would be a great match up.  Probably much closer than a 9 point "spanking" as you call it.

How did the DVC 2nd team do on Saturday?  See much time?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 18, 2005, 06:13:36 pm
Patron 2,
Concerning your comments about LVC and Juniata ,definitely venemous humor, but humerous none the less.  If you had watched or listened to the game it was a great game.  As a team, yes both these teams have somethings to be desired.  There are some individual athletes on these teams that could play for any of the MAC teams.  Great example of this,  3 seasons ago LVC had a first team All American tight end on a one and nine team.  A current example of this is LVC's QB, I am confident in saying that his abilities are sound and he could certainly compete with some of the "Premier" players in the league, if he was competing on a level playing field.  In your attempt to be humerous, I feel you tarnished some great young men.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 18, 2005, 06:35:01 pm
As Patron2 has amply demonstrated, uninformed talk is very cheap ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 18, 2005, 06:38:04 pm
It seems like LVC always has one outstading player getting lots of recognition and then go on to have a disappointing record.  
I'm a little surprised by the Wilkes-DVC score.  Does Wilkes have huge linemen again?  It always seems like they do.  Is everyone there big?  I met some girls from Wilkes at a research conference yesterday and even they look like the could put a hurting on a buffet...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 18, 2005, 06:51:15 pm
Patron 2,
To reaffirm my previous post, I just saw where Dan Kelly was named the MAC offensive player of the week.  It's nice to see a player from LVC get some accolades.  Another player that I feel could be playing on any team in the MAC, that plays for LVC, is Adam Brossman.(a receiver)   Both these kids are tough, smart, and athletic.  They just happen to be playing on a team where some of their teammates aren't as good as the competition.  The inequity in the MAC is that some of the school's admission standards are far below some of the others.  This allows some of the MAC schools to recruit and obtain athletes that others can't touch.  That's a big advantage to the schools that are recruiting athletes first and students second.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 08:27:47 pm
MacFan...Good comeback, point well taken. As for Wilkes, they are very big, fast and the secondary is quick and active. Good Luck with them.

PS>>>The second team as a unit did not play but many substitutions were made  individually. Wilkes is a tough contender!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 19, 2005, 12:17:28 am
go widener.... ;D did ne one see the def. stats on that games.  widener held them to only 145 total yards....lyco only played 22 plays in the first half...40 sumin rushing yards ....impresive....time to put a woopin on leb val....pioneers are still up set to the muddy 3-0 loss last year......i pre. 50 to 17 widener.....as for the loss to wilkes we are always starting slow....it was a bad beat...(poker fan)....wideners off. didnt click but u better believe widener will battle with everyteam in the mac including the overrated dvc.....as for me i will be watching from the sidelined i blew my knee out in the begining of the 4th against lyco....thats the season for me....but i still think the defense will hold up...we have some good backups.....

let me getta Wu
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 08:30:42 am
well its nice to see sour grapes abound from the usual cast of misfits....simba can now go crawl back in his hole and after this weeks whoopin wont be heard from until next season. macfan can continue to blame everything under the sun for all teams losing to dvc, big doggy can wimper about the "overrated" dvc team.....ahhh jealousy is so unbecoming....as they said in the move history of the world part I ..."its good to be the king..." everyone taking pot shots at you and the old has beens clutching to the railing like the fools in the movie titanic talking about how dvc is no good and overrated and their big bad widener and lyco teams are going to lay the lumber to us.....yawn!!...i figured you guys could at least bring a little something more to the table or get creative in your jabs in giving dvc any kind of credit and heaven forbid coach mangus any credit...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 09:22:54 am
WOOHOO!!!!!! Man I hate Lyco!!!!!! Nothing like seeing them lose back to back years to WU !  YAY !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 12:23:10 pm
And Wideners new uniforms suck, colors suck, and field sucks. But I still love em.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 19, 2005, 12:43:46 pm
BigDoggy:

Sorry to hear about your injury.  I know you guys work awful hard and to see the season end this early must be frustrating.  Hopefully you've got a couple years of eligibility left.

And I hope you enjoy our message boards.  It's more fun when there are representatives from different teams on here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 19, 2005, 02:02:05 pm
what is going to happen upbrmeasap when DVC loses a MAC game?  Not that I think it will happen right away, but you can't win them all. 
So is everybody at Wilkes big and fat or not?  Even Trichilo was not fat but he was pretty big.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 02:04:22 pm
well when was the last time dvc lost a mac league game??? judging by the anger of coach mangus after the wilkes game i am glad i am not on the coaching staff or playing this week. he was more than p'd off after the wilkes game i think they are going up to williamsport with a real chip on their shoulders this week and will take no prisoners.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 02:14:05 pm
Can't remember the last time I saw a Moravian/DVC scrap...

I thought our colors were supposed to be the same as Florida....

Are they something different?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 03:01:05 pm
Royal Blue White and a little yellow
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 03:06:21 pm
Has Widener changed its colors from the Widener family racing colors of light blue (not royal) and gold?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 03:16:19 pm
Warren

Yes, but I am not sure what color "Royal Blue" really is...



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 04:11:52 pm
Vote for Moravian's Matt Sheridan (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2005-09-18-player-of-week_x.htm) on USATODAY.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 04:18:51 pm
i voted for him....come on div III folks need to make their voices heard and vote for him he is in a dog race for second place right now...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 04:28:55 pm
bman:

So, yes, Widener has changed from light blue to royal blue?

Royal is essentially the blue sported by the Indianapolis Colts (at least to my perception).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 19, 2005, 04:33:52 pm
Colts, Bills, Giants are all Royal Blue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 04:40:22 pm
With all this talk anent 'royal blue,' I have to wonder if us regular folks might also merit a shade of our own ... say, 'commoner blue.' :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 19, 2005, 04:51:26 pm
http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/football/2005photos/Widener/pages/LYCOvwu2.htm

Widener could call it endzone blue...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 04:52:09 pm
For LVC

That might be Burgh Blue and Amish Amber :) ...all painted with Dutch Boy of course....!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 05:17:43 pm
Simba:

Thanks for the color photo. Widener is, indeed, attired in royal blue, white, and yellow -- though the color arrangement could be done more tastefully. :) *

bman:

Is 'Amish Amber' akin to 'Yuengling Yellow'? Advise soonest ....

-------------------------------------------------------------

* What does the Widener family think about this change of colors? Will they
go to court to remove their name from the institution? Let us know, please. It's a burning, if not colorful, issue.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 19, 2005, 08:16:40 pm
Albright rolled easily this weekend.  Jon Port looked like him old self on saturday.  Congrats to him throwing for over 10,000 yards over his career making him eight all time in Divison III.  The Defense again looked solid.  They shut down Susquehana's offense.  Albright looks as if they are starting to gel.  They got Kings this weekend so we'll see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 19, 2005, 09:08:53 pm
MOJO and Warren,

Since we are gonna call a spade a spade... I am not a nice man... And the Juniata vs. LebVal game is the biggest pillow fight of the year..  Last year it was Lyco and Juniata...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 19, 2005, 09:23:38 pm
Billman56--  Final comments:  you don't want to know who I root for period! :o

I'm sure all the voters of d3 top 25 have observed each and every team within the poll to "qualify" their choices for your approval of the poll results. :-\

And the term "lame" best describes the team YOU root for pal. :P

PS:  Please direct all negative comments to the NJAC board.  Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 10:06:38 pm
ACMob, I haven't seen your Top 25 every week for comparison purposes. It ain't as easy as you think.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 10:28:16 pm
Warren

I will refrain from comment until I see the field and colors myself.. Personally, I have not heard much of anything.  The changes were not advertised well, nor were they reflected on any of the websites.

That is one complaint I have with WU...they hold onto info like precious stock tips...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 20, 2005, 07:41:33 am
I listened to the Albright vs Susquehanna game on the interenet from half time on.  I heard Rowlands' name called a few times. Did something happen to Albrights middle linebacker Minotti? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 20, 2005, 08:49:40 am
Patron 2,
The point I was trying to make is that although LVC and Juniata appear to be weak teams in the MAC, there are individual players on both teams that are quality athletes.  By making statements that these young men are losers offends me and I feel is a grossly inaccurate statement.  I'm sure that it's no easy task to make the commitment it takes to play college football, when you are on a losing team.  The fact that these young men make this commitment, in my opinion, makes them winners regardless of their record.  Personally Patron, the only one I am suspect of being a loser is you.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 09:37:54 am
MOJO:

Consider the source and simply ignore Patron2.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 20, 2005, 11:24:32 am
Hello, fellow d3 fans!  I'm interloping from the ASC board this morning, as I'm planning to be at the Delaware Valley/Lycoming game Saturday taking photos for d3football.com--assuming I'm able to get back home from Texas (Rita is coming, Rita is coming!).

Sparing the bravado, can anybody give me some information on who the players to watch are on both sides?  What type of offense/defense does each squad run?  Any information that can help me capture the game effectively will be greatly appreciated.

And don't forget to check out the Photo Galleries link on the main page to see unedited samples of what I did this weekend at both the McMurry/Austin College game and the Hardin-Simmons/Louisiana College game.  These prints will be cropped, color/contrast corrected and sharpened before they are sent to players and parents that have purchased them.

Prints are available from those games, and will be available next weekend from the Lyco/Del Valley game.  100% of all the proceeds from the sale of these prints will go to support this website, so I hope that you'll be ordering early and often next weekend!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 20, 2005, 11:51:04 am
Splik...the last time DVC lost a MAC game, was to Wilkes in the 2003 season, so you can win them all, just like in 2004...


Bigdoggy...truely good luck with the rehab and hope you are back next season...good luck to you.

This week...DVC  31   Lyco  10

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 20, 2005, 12:03:59 pm
Pat....Go get him!!!  This ACMOB is probably a closet fan to begin with for the fact that he refuses to tell us the teams he roots for....oh well I will not waste time for anyone who will not engage in conversation and his were substandard at best.

Thanks again for the clip, it is getting a lot of mileage, very much appreciated.

Rockman...did not see the stats but almost anytime you have QBs sharing playing time quality and consistency suffer. Hope to see you Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 12:12:10 pm
josh, welcome and your in for a great game. for dvc i would first check out their qb adam knoblauch who is on pace to become the 5th player in college football including all divisions I-III to have over 10,000 yards passing and over 1,000 yards rushing in his career. steve mcnair is one of the other 4 current qbs. their wr's don marshall, david carmon are very good. As is their running back steve cook. on defense their defensive lineman anthony silver will grab most of the double teams as he is a stud on the dline and well known as a top pass rusher who plays mostly in the opposing teams backfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 20, 2005, 12:40:54 pm
billman - before 2003 DVC had trouble winning any...all in this case means more than one season, even Mount Union even lost an OAC game a long time ago

Widener's new jersey is now a close second to Susquehanna's old maroon and neon orange jerseys as ugliest ever in the MAC. 

I sense some bitterness coming from patron...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 20, 2005, 01:42:19 pm
Just a ??? Silver was hurt for most of the DVC/Wilkes game with ice on his shoulder/sling...anyone know his status??? He was certainly missed on the defensive side of the ball in that game. Will he be ready for the Lyco game?
As for other defensive players to watch #55 has had 3 solid games and should have another big one this week if he isn't too worn down, and you can't overlook Murphy the DB who's got 3 or 4 int's so far and all of them coming at crucial points of the game, ie in the endzone against Wilkes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 20, 2005, 01:46:12 pm
hey Josh,
players to watch... luke sterling @mlb, james smith probably their best athlete, and a couple lineman(names don't come to me right now).  Kopp at wr...  the stregth of lyco is their "D" with their senior backers and talented db's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 20, 2005, 01:57:02 pm
agreed widener should have advertised their change....but it happened basically on a whim....after an imbarassing 3-0 loss to leb val last year the alum were extremely upset.....that next day about 1.5 million dollars was raised for turf...but the alum also relized that the sky blue was never the real color of widener....so they went with more of a hoftstra look...personally i like it...but the problem is that it was done under such pressure that every thing didnt get finished...we only have one set of game pants...white...we dont have home game pants...also we are still wearing last years practice jersey...granted it doesnt look bad but..it doesnt feel right...ne who...i like the new colors actually i like ne thing new....their are alot of teams in the mac...that have old crappy jerseys....widener is lucky enough to get new things...dont be jelious....by the way dvc has a really ugly color combo....if their is an ugly uniform and bad facilitys anywhere ....it is at dvc...which really surprises me...as crapy and and farmish of a school it is they still get good recruits....i wonder what mangus is doiong to get recruits in...i guess its winning ...but i know when i was looking location and facilitys..were my deciding factors....

sorry for ne spelling mistakes i was typing fast ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 20, 2005, 02:14:27 pm
big doggy. First off, sorry to hear about your injury, hoping for a speedy recovery.  I know how much work, and preparation goes into each season, and to see it end before it really starts is a terrible thing. Second, I can agree with you on the fact that DVC does have ugly colors, and bad facilities, but I will say that I think their jerseys look nice.  However to answer your question, from what I hear all you need is a warm body and a recent pulse to get in there, and along with winning, that will get you recruits any day of the week, but it is working for them so far.
Also, Josh to answer your question, a big player to watch for each team.  Sterling as the leader of the Lycoming Defense.  and Cook on the Del Val offense.  Cook is the starting running back, and truly the engine that runs the Del Val team.  He is a playmaker, and such a speedy back that opposing defenses have to watch him on every single play.  I think everytime you see a Del Val big Play, Steve Cook will be a guy that either set it up, or played a major part in it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 02:16:48 pm
bigdoggy:

The 'real color' of Widener? Almost from the moment the PMC Cadets became the Widener College Pioneers over 30 years ago, its teams wore the Widener family racing colors of light blue and gold.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 20, 2005, 02:20:19 pm
CJS,
I "heard " that Pete Mannotti has broken his leg, if so I am truly sorry to hear it!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 02:46:14 pm
pls dog speak facts not here say from "what you have heard..."  spare us that b.s. before you make that kind of accusation. having sisters and friends that graduated from numerous other mac schools and having sat in on their classes i was more than less than impressed. they were covering info we had covered months before at dvc. dvc has mostly business school students there now along with a fair amount of horticulture students. the ag student body is small comparatively speaking since the small family farms are drying up. so spare us you and your wharton business school rhetoric and take it some place else...all schools in the mac are solid from a academic standpoint.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 20, 2005, 02:54:08 pm
Can anyone comment on the rocket-like turnaround that DVC has had over the last few years.  I know that people say the coach is great, etc.  Reality says it takes years to build a solid program, yet they did it really fast.  I've heard a few theories, e.g. a I-AA school near them folded and they picked up most of the players, etc.  I have no idea if any of that is true, but would appreciate it if anyone could toss out any facts.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 03:08:17 pm
macfan i would definetly say it starts at the top that is with the coach. he is incredible and just a great recruiter with a great system. he also has brought in very good asst. coaches. he took his lumps and played many freshmen his first year and when most of the players were sophmores you could see the turnaround happening and they were going to be special. last year they took another step with their playoff run and needless to say what everyones expectations are this year with all those starters back. coach mangus played and coached under steve spurrier at univ of florida. he has a great knack for recruiting and developing players. also besides being a great off play caller he is very good in advising the def coaches on how the opposing teams will attack their def changes during the game. kids love to play for him and believe in him and his system. this is just ones mans viewpoint...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:44:56 pm
I am not aware of any flood of transfers. There have been a handful of schools that dropped I-AA football in recent years but it was all I-AA non-scholarship football, so the players are essentially on the same level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 20, 2005, 04:57:19 pm
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 20, 2005, 07:01:47 pm
Big Doggy:

Wow.  That's pretty wild that a 3-0 game sparked $1.5 million in donations from the alums.  If that's true, I could see some college presidents and ADs hoping for one bad game a year so they can enjoy the financial windfall. :)

MacFan:

Another unique part of the Del Val turn around is that Mangus cleaned house when he came in.  He didn't slowly transition from the old guard to his guys.  From what I gather, he told incumbent players there was a new sheriff in town and they'd follow him or leave.  That allowed him to put young guys like Knoblauch in a position where they had a lot of experience by last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 20, 2005, 07:58:27 pm
Patron 2,
The point I was trying to make is that although LVC and Juniata appear to be weak teams in the MAC, there are individual players on both teams that are quality athletes.  By making statements that these young men are losers offends me and I feel is a grossly inaccurate statement.  I'm sure that it's no easy task to make the commitment it takes to play college football, when you are on a losing team.  The fact that these young men make this commitment, in my opinion, makes them winners regardless of their record.  Personally Patron, the only one I am suspect of being a loser is you.

Tell me bro, how many ribbons for 8th place do you have hanging on your wall?


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 21, 2005, 12:40:56 am
patron - go back to Jersey and quit criticizing something of which you were never really a part.  it's easy being a critic, sounds like you wish you had ANY ribbon on your wall
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 21, 2005, 07:31:40 am
You guys are correct.  I should be more compassionate to good kids that are stuck on lousy teams. 

I will now direct my posts towards lousy coaches that have no idea what they are doing.. Because it is always the coaches fault if things dont work out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 21, 2005, 10:10:42 am
ubrmesap....DITTO from me also on your last post!!! Just keep in mind that no one wants to see an upstart like DVC come in and take over the top spot against the past performances of the former top dogs. Change is always inevitable, some good, some not so good, but there will always be nay sayers who dont like it and refuse to conform. Like last year DVC is the TOP DOG this year so far and it maybe that they will go all the way and clinch the MAC title once again.

readytorock...see you Saturday....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 21, 2005, 10:24:28 am
CJS,
I "heard " that Pete Mannotti has broken his leg, if so I am truly sorry to hear it!

That is truly awful for the young man if it is true..... Would he be able to get a medical redshirt even if he is a graduating senior?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 21, 2005, 02:34:02 pm
Splik....Dont Beat up on New Jersey, it really isnt that bad...lol.
Just ignore Patron2....that thorn is stuck way, way up there!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 21, 2005, 02:43:41 pm
Gordon

You know, it's funny....I wonder if that isn't part of the issue at WU.  It seems that we have difficulty getting talent that is making an impact....

I know you can't get a Jones/Colemen/Warker every year (Maybe we can have Keeler send us a few more ;D) but it seems logical at this point that Mangus truly has out recruited the rest of the MAC....

PS do they still serve soup in the press box?  I always enjoyed that....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2005, 03:56:42 pm
i already have the game face on for dvc/lyco since my sister graduated from lyco and i had to eat dirt for alot of years i cannot tell you how good thanksgiving day dinner tasted last year when we got together and football talk ensued!!  LETS GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 21, 2005, 07:41:47 pm
Patron 2,
Thanks for the apology, but please do not insult myself or family by refering to me as bro.  You are not my brother, let alone a friend.  You are just one more example of the fact that the older I get, and the more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 22, 2005, 10:54:12 am
the qualifications for incoming student has changed greatly at WU over the past few years. Many of the players from the past would not be accepted today. It is not a case of being out recruited it is simply a case of certian schools recruiting under different criteria.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 22, 2005, 01:19:19 pm
I have heard rumors that there is a great disparity in the student-athletes that teams in the MAC recruit, specifically that some schools will accept borderline students that would not be accepted by other schools.  Does anyone have any concrete evidence that this is true?  From my own experience, I know that the financial aid packages offered to students vary a lot from school to school, and of course this is a key factor in deciding where to go.  I would think that this has a bigger impact on which schools get the best players, rather than ability to recruit borderline students who are better football players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 22, 2005, 01:35:19 pm
LVC ALUM... alot of what you said is true. My son attends lycoming as a freshman,  he was accepted early in the application process.  Many Mac schools and some state run schools called  and offered to beat lyco's package no matter what.  We told them that's where he(our son) wants to go, they wouldn't call for about a week, and then it started all over again.  We talked to financial aid about it..they said they are not supposed to do that....back bidding after they know what the finan. aid package contains. But at least 3 mac schools did that to us.  Our son was a decent student in high school- SAT 1100(old test), 3.2 GPA.
Some mac schools do accept much lower numbers  (SAT's,GPA) for admissions than other schools.  I guess it's just the policy of the school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 22, 2005, 06:54:03 pm
I remember playing against Del Val when they were routinely a 1-9, 2-8 type team.  I think that one thing that people overlook is the level of experience they have on their team.  For example, I played against their starting QB; he is still playing, while I am 2 years out of college.  Experience is very important, and I would guess that Del Val is now reaping the benefits of deciding to take its lumps with younger players a few years ago.

In addition, I think football is a very momentum-driven game.  Recruits see a winning team, and they want to become a part of it.  Suddenly, talented players in the Philadelphia area have another option besides Lycoming and Widener, which is where most of these players seemed to wind up.  Given the fact that Lyco is a 3 hour drive from Philadelphia, and Widener's campus is less than picturesque, suddenly Del Val is a great choice.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 22, 2005, 07:31:00 pm
I agree that winning does help. However, I guess you have not been on Wideners campus lately. New dorms, academic buildings, and what could be the best stadium in division 3. It is simply a matter of cost and recruiting criteria. Furthermore, Del Val has a staff that has worked hard to continue the recruiting ties they made while working at other schools.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 08:27:49 pm
I get a big kick out of predictions.  Especially when the are dead wrong.  What I find even more amusing are polls.  I can bet that if Moravian beat DVC in game 1 and was 3-0 at this point instead of 2-1, DVC would stll be in the top 25 and the Hounds would not.  That's just the way of the poll.  They count for nothing.  What counts is what happens on the field and the character of the players.  All of us fans of D3 football should consider ourselves lucky to be able to watch men of character play for school pride.  They are all the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 09:07:49 pm
Maybe in the AFCA poll that would be true but I'm pretty sure it would not be true in the D3football.com poll. Have you even looked closely at the poll? Delaware Valley WON this week and fell. How far would they fall if they lost?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 22, 2005, 09:19:13 pm
Macfan,
Per your inquiry regarding the rapid rise to dominence of the DVC football program can be attributed to primarily one factor, as a team they have better athletes.  Last season I only saw them play one time, but what impressed me most was their quickness.  Please note, there are other players on other teams that individually, are as good as or superior to the DVC players, at their respective positions.  However as a team, DVC is superior.  I say this being a LVC and LYCO fan.  DVC is dominating the same way LYCO and WU dominated when they were on top, with better players.  Overall, coaching is relatively good throughout the MAC ,so it's the kids that make the difference.   In reality the individual school's financial aid department and the admissions policies probably have more impact on the success of the institutions football program than anything else.  Yes, there are substantial differences in admission policies and financial aid packages for MAC schools.  I know this to be a fact, I am a MAC alum and have had sons that played in two MAC programs.  Go Dutchmen!  Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 22, 2005, 09:40:14 pm
Del Val did go 10-0 last year.  They did go to the playoffs last year.  They had a good run in the playoffs last year.  People seem to forget that this was last year.  Dont get me wrong, they are a great team, and they have plenty of guys back from last years squad.  However, its week 3, and it seems like a majority of people on this board have already crowned them this years champs.  They have to win 7 more to be crowned the champ, remember that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2005, 09:45:08 pm
MacFan:

And Moravian was getting votes in the Top 25 before they lost.  Who knows if they would've cracked the Top 25 at 3-0, but it's tough to get worked up about Moravian getting snubbed in a hypothetical situation that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:00:17 pm
Pat: Yes, I was referring to AFCA and I agree.

Mojo: good points.

Dog: Yes, lots of football left and many hungry teams.

Pat:  Not sure anybody is worked up.  I certainly am not.  Can't say that I get your comment or it's relevance to an otherwise focused and succinct conversation.  As for Moravian.  They rule and will indeed get their day in the Sun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:02:34 pm
Sorry Pat, last comment was for Gordon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2005, 10:11:22 pm
Quote
What I find even more amusing are polls.  I can bet that if Moravian beat DVC in game 1 and was 3-0 at this point instead of 2-1, DVC would stll be in the top 25 and the Hounds would not.  That's just the way of the poll.  They count for nothing.

I assumed you were referencing our poll, which is not an unreasonable assumption since that's the poll most people reference on this site.  Under that assumption it sounded like your quote above was complaining about a lack of respect in our poll based on a hypothetical ("if Moravian beat DVC..."), which didn't make much sense to me since Moravian had votes in the Preseason.

My mistake, though, if I misinterpreted you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:20:43 pm
Thanks Gordon, my mistake as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 23, 2005, 08:18:26 am
alright i will start it off today time for predictions... i see a good effort put forth by lycoming saturday but coming off an emotional game against widener last week its tough to get up 2 weeks in a row even at home. alas they dont have much left in the tank in the second half of the game and dvc pulls away in the second half to win 28-10.  8)       alright ready to hear readytorock and others predictions....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 08:19:58 am
Dog,
Please don't interpret my statements concerning DVC as implying they can't be beat.  They can!  Catch them on a Saturday that their game is off or the opposing team is playing well, and they can crash and burn.  The reality of this statement can be validated when you look at the recent DVC / Wilkes game.  That victory just as easily could have gone to Wilkes instead of DVC.  As stated by many posters in the past, there is alot of paridy in the MAC.  On any given week one team can beat another, dependent on the factors.  DVC went from worst to first in a very short time frame.  DVC used to be the one team LVC thought they had a good shot beating on a yearly basis.  Congratulations to the DVC program.  In closing, my advice to DVC is to be ever vigilent, LYCO will be back and even LVC will have their time in the sun, at some point in time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 09:27:34 am
So I guess theres no chance for Widener to shine again ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 10:13:19 am
No one is saying that WU will not shine. They are a very good young team this year. With the return of a few players next year and the maturity of the player in the fold they will continue to get stronger.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 10:51:50 am
I was being sarcsatic
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 23, 2005, 11:02:46 am
Here are my predictions for this week....


Lyco         16    Delval        14 
Albright    38    Kings         10
Moravian  38    Juniata        7
Widener 142   LVC              4 ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 11:22:30 am
to WUDline no matter what goes on at the WU campus they haven't taken it out of Chester yet. Until they do that they will always be at a disadvantage when recruiting. As for reasons that kids go to DVC it's all about GA. He's fun to play for and he's a winner. No matter where he's coached he's won. Winning isn't just important to him ---- it's everything. Kids that buy into that same mentality will end up winning for him. You can just sense that the players on this team believe they will win. No matter what the game situation there is no panic just a belief that they can pull it through.

Lastly, as for the qualifications academically for these schools, give us a break. this isn't the Centennial conference here. And if you're a good enough football player there isn't a school in this conference who won't admit you and find the $$$ for you!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 23, 2005, 11:52:04 am
maAggie5
I wouldn't say that the Centennial Conference is that much better than the MAC as far as academics go besides Johns Hopkins.  I do agree to make WU's campus a nicer place is to move the whole thing to Harrisburg to go with the law school there. 

DVC is not the only undefeated MAC school with a stud-senior QB.  Albright could be the team that represents the MAC in the playoffs this year, IF they can knock off DVC and IF they can beat the rest of the parity-filled MAC.  Definitely not a given, but definitely not out of the realm of possibility. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 12:00:47 pm
splk I think you are sadly mistaken about the Centennial. Other than perhaps McDanial the other schools in that conference are have tough admission standards. The MAC is certainly a step above the NJAC academically, but cannot compare with the Centennial.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 12:26:50 pm
I did not realize that winning for two years qualifies you as a winner. I thought it took alot more success than that. The major problem with many of the fans / alumni at Del Val is you have never won in the past. Therefor you still do not know the right way to handle success. GA is an excellent offensive Coach, who has done a good job assembeling a staff, lets see if Del Val can continue to win for a while before we put him in a category with Bear Bryant.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 23, 2005, 01:05:38 pm
Maaggie

"And if you're a good enough football player there isn't a school in this conference who won't admit you and find the $$$ for you! "

If you really believe this comment, you are sorely mistaken. There are a great deal of athletic/academic philosophic differences between the conference schools. It's not even a contest. I can only speak for FDU, but there are several students receiving "academic grant money" at other MAC institutions that were not even acceptable candidates for admission at FDU....

Is FDU the only school in this boat? Are we somehow the Harvard of the MAC? Of course not. Just please, speak only of which you have first hand knowledge of.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 23, 2005, 01:05:53 pm
WUDLINE,

I have not been to Widener's campus in a few years.  The football field was nice when I was there, but as other posters have already noted, the neighborhood in which the school is located could be better.  In any event, I think facilities are not as important to potential players as other things, such as financial aid packages and the chance to play sooner rather than later.  Case in point is LVC-great field, locker room, and athletic complex, but traditionally a bottom-feeder in football.  Interestingly enough, the basketball programs at LVC are traditional powers despite playing in the less-than-state-of-the-art Lynch Gym for much of its existence (of course now they have that sweet new hoops arena).

In regard to the comments regarding the academic comparisons between the MAC and the CC, I think Susquehanna, Juniata, and LVC are probably the best academic institutions in the conference.  As much as I hate to admit it, F & M, Gettysburg, Dickinson, and Hopkins are probably all significantly superior in terms of regional and national prestige, especially Hopkins.  Not to say that I wasn't satisfied with the education I received at LVC-it has served me well.  But I think the CC overall is better academically.

For what its worth, LVC--42, WU 35 in OT, with Kelly hitting Rendine in the corner of the end zone in OT and Holzman sealing the game with a pick.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 23, 2005, 01:13:11 pm
Fellas, regardless the centennial conference academic standards they don't compare to the MAC in football standards.  9 out of 10 times when a mac and centennial conference team meet the mac team wins.  

As for DVC heading to the playoffs i think they have a good chance but I wouldn't count out albright either they have a chance also.  last yr del val barely beat albright 35-28.  look for this yrs match up to be just as close.

for this weeks predictions straight from the snake parlor
Del Val     24   Lyco        10
Albright    35   Kings       14
Moravian  30    Juniata    0
Widener   28   LVC          0
Lets face facts Juniata and LVC just get out recruited year in and year out and are never gonna rise to the top of the MAC.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 23, 2005, 02:13:59 pm
Snake Parlor....In my opinion as a parent, I feel that from the Philly area and certainly Juniata and maybe LVC are too far out from the area to recruit from Phila. From here Juniata is a 4 hour plus drive and LVC is approx 2 1/2 or more depending on weather and traffic. I think both schools are not recruiting the best playes in this vicinity and getting comittments, due to how far away they are. On the other side of the coin Susquehanna delivers a talented team and they reside between LVC and Juniata...go figure.

The academic comparisons regarding admission standards between conferences I feel is a moot point. Business admin, is business admin ,is the same course in almost any institution and what makes the difference is the faculty. Same as in football, what makes the differences between teams when there is talent from both schools....the coaching staff.  Again in My opinion only, I feel the SATS are a joke and should not be a criteria for admissions. A "Test" is just that a test. The individual should be evaluated on many other criteria besides a test. There is obviously more to any individual other than a test result.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 23, 2005, 02:20:17 pm
WUDLINE....Help me here, What is the "Correct" way to handle success???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 02:53:47 pm
My 2 cents ! The correct way to handle success is to foster it. Make it part of the student-athletes mindset. Success Breeds Success, this is a very true statement. Draw comparisons with your team about how they felt when they went 1-9 and how they felt going 10 - 0. It will make them appreciate success and want to hold onto it. This will make them work harder and play harder and be better people.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 23, 2005, 02:58:05 pm
wudline i would tend to agree a little with your assessment although a coach who i believe won 2 national championships for widener (bill manlove) has called him one of the best coaches he has seen come along on any level of college coaching. he stated besides all the other intangibles of recruiting, coaching, having a great offensive mind manlove has stated what a great feel he has for defense and making adjustments and calls with the def. coaches. manlove is a guy i really respect his opinion and a man who has been around a long time and seen a lot of coaches. i do agree time will tell but bottom line is the guy can flat out coach and develop young players. In all honesty trying to be non partial here i cannot see taking any other mac coach over him right now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 23, 2005, 03:36:42 pm
Predictions for 9/24

Widener over Lebanon Valley
Albright over King's
Moravian over Juniata
Wilkes over FDU
Lycoming over Delaware Valley  :o

Last Week (6-0)
OverAll Record (11-1)

Opinions appreciated....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 04:57:44 pm
Oh PLEEEAASSEE! You're holding FDU up as a model of academic excellence???You are really out of your f---ing mind there. I am extremely familiar with FDU's academics and can tell you for a fact that their's is no different from DVC, LVC, or WDU. As a matter of fact they are so desperate at both campuses to recruit anyone athletes or not that almost anybody can qualify for academic money, and lots of it...so go on and delude yourself if it makes you feel better but FDU is no one to speak of standards!

As for GA he's won everywhere he's been not just DVC. He's more than an excellent offensive coach(he's brilliant if truth be told)he's an amazing motivator and he attracts the same kind of like-minded players. Will he continue to go undefeated at DVC and for how long no one can predict. But I will tell you that he is a winner and makes everyone around him better!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 05:37:50 pm
I am not questioning GA as a coach. I know him very well as a former player. He is an excellent recruiter, motivator, and game day coach. He has surrounded himself with a great staff that includes one of the best young D coordinators around. My comments are directed more towards the fair weather fans/ alumni that are coming out and latching on to the program. They are the ones who do not know about being a winner. It is hard to sit at the top of the Mac and stay there for years Lyco and Widener know this for a fact. the DVC program is headed in the right direction lets wait and see if they can continue this new found success. Especially in the future without a stud QB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 06:27:16 pm
maAggie,
You are misinformed.  I cannot make statements for every school in the MAC, however, I know for an absolute fact, that LVC has not been on a level playing field with some of their competitors for years, as far as the academic standards of the athletes they have been allowed to recruit.  Their have been instances of kids with 1000 SAT scores, that could not gain admission, even with the coach begging the admissions department to admit the student.  I can assure you that athletic ability alone, will not gain you admission to LVC, unless you meet their academic standards.  I also know of a school in the MAC that recruited a kid that scored 800 on his college boards, he was accepted and was a four year starter.  This kid would not have been granted an interview at some of the MAC schools, LVC in particular.  By your statement concerning schools in the MAC accepting anybody they want on their team, are you implying that this is the route that DVC has taken?  That would certainly explain the worst to first sucess in the program in such a short period of time.  Not to break anybodies heart, but this is D3 football.  These kids should be students first and athletes second.  I have never seen a player in the MAC, that currently or in the past, has the ability to become a tradesman in the NFL.  These kids, when their college career is over, will have to make their mark in the world in the workplace and not the athletic field.  If some MAC schools are accepting kids for their athletic ability only, they are cheating their alumni, and the value of an education from that school.  My oldest son, who was a starter at LVC, is currently in  a nationally recognized law school, in the top 20% of his class.  The education he received at LVC is serving him well.  If other schools are accepting students for their athletic ability only, these schools will have numerous WALMART associates as future alumni.  Tell me maAggie , where would you prefer to have your degree from?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 06:47:44 pm
Hey guys,
For everybody that wants to talk about MAC QB's.  What about a kid that is the top ranked passer to date this season, in the MAC.  Stats are 52 completions in 85 attempts for 706 yards, 6 TDS, and 5 INTS.  This young man is also ranked as number 2 in the conference in reference to total yards, 826.  If you have not guessed, it is Dan Kelly for LVC.  Not bad for a kid that happens to be playing on a 1 and 2 team.  If only the Dutchmen could get their defense on the same level as the offense.  The amazing Merlin has told me that it's going to be LVC over WU, 28-21.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 07:02:43 pm
WUDLine:

I agree with your take in that last post.  Mangus is great and the Coordinator Clements doesn't get enough credit.  He's done a great job since coming over from Widener.  I also agree that a little historical perspective on Del Val's recent success in light of Lycoming and Widener's tradition wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 07:19:04 pm
 Can Kelly play with the big boys. I don't know? We will find out as the competition gets better.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 07:35:31 pm
On the whole academic argument (man, I feel like I'm in the NESCAC room), here’s some more objective information on where the MAC schools rank academically.

Rather than play the anecdote game where anonymous (and thereby unverifiable) claims denounce or support colleges, I dug around in the 2006 US News & World Report rankings which use a bunch of factors to measure academic strength. 

Since the CC schools were mentioned, I threw the football playing members in as well.  As you’ll see, some of these comparisons are tough to make across types of schools…

    >> As a University, JHU is outstanding ranked #13 in the country, in front of Brown and Cal-Berkley.  Very impressive.  The only other school classified as a University is Widener, which is in the third tier.

>> Most of the schools in these two conferences are considered liberal arts colleges.  You’ll find most of the Centennial schools in the Top 100 – #39 F&M, #45 Dickinson, #47 Gettysburg, #71 Ursinus and #73 Muhlenberg.  The only MAC school with that distinction is #100 Juniata.

Many MAC schools are in the third tier of Liberal Arts Colleges.  In no particular order, that’s where you’ll find Albright, Lycoming, Moravian and Susquehanna along with the final CC school McDaniel.

>> Three MAC schools are classified as Northern Colleges.  Keep in mind these schools aren’t compared to big universities or liberal arts schools either.  This is where you’ll find #24 Leb Val, #33 King’s and #68 Wilkes.

  >> Del Val is treated as a Comprehensive College where it is #23.  In other words, it’s not compared to the big universities, little liberal arts colleges…or any other MAC or CC schools for that matter.

FDU-Florham campus isn’t listed separately, though FDU in general (perhaps just Teaneck) is #62 under Universities-Masters in the North.

You can look this stuff over at: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/tools/brief/cosearch_advanced_brief.php

Now at least you can fight over shared knowledge if you want.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 23, 2005, 08:10:48 pm
Gordon
Thanks for the objectivity....Maaggie will also note that DVC is listed as "less selective", while FDU (combined, not just Florham, whose stats are better) is "selective".....

I wasn't signaling out DVC, I was talking in generalizations. She (?) is the one who opened this can of worms. Academically, DVC is nowhere near FDU's Florham campus, period. There ARE players at a few MAC schools who received "academic" money that are rejected by our campus.
Maaggie also went as far as to suggest all MAC schools magically get financial aid for qualified athletes. Besides being completely against D3 rules, I can assure her that FDU's Florham campus does not provide ANY financial aid nor admissions aid to athletes.
Once again, I said FDU isn't Harvard. We're also probably not the most selective football conference school either. But FDU is in the top 5....
I'm not the only one who knows this to be true. The MAC may look VERY different in the next few years (in membership) because of, you guessed it, the academics (or lack thereof) of a few schools - but I won't name names ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 08:33:06 pm
Be assured, Kelly can play with the big boys.  It's harder to play QB for a marginal team and put up numbers than it is playing for a superior team where your jersey never gets dirty.  Gordon, I appreciate your commentary on academic rankings but keep in mind this is for the student body as a whole.  If certain schools bring in "RINGERS" strictly for their athletic ability, this is only a small percentage of students and will not skew the academic rankings in either direction.  Again, be assured what I expressed in previous posts is accurate information.  I apologize to readers for any mispelled words in this or previous posts, I'm typing in a hurry and I was a biology major in college.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 23, 2005, 08:39:33 pm
And now moving from academics to leaders coaching and developing leaders on a peer to peer perspective, here is one reason why Lyco's defense is and will remain on top in the MAC this year....Simba
http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=17984
Oh....and that picture to the left...Mangus has a long way to go before he can even come close to be compared to Lyco's PA HALL OF FAME Head Coach!....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 09:48:50 pm
MOJO, Since my son was accepted and recruited since his jr year by LVC, I guess my answer would be DVC. FDU also accepted and recruited him along with a couple of IAA schools, but he's at DVC and doing fine both academically and athletically thanks for asking.

It's always a losers metallity to look to justify their situation. If it makes you feel better to think you went to an academically superior school than please don't let me pop your bubble.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 10:47:36 pm
maAggie,
Pursuant to your comments, I don't feel I went to an academically superior school, I am a LYCO grad.  I did not say that DVC is an academically inferior school.  The question I asked about DVC, was based on your incorrect statement that all MAC schools will let anyone in their programs and give them money, if they want them athletically.  Again I ask, is this the path DVC has taken to achieve their "recent" success?  If it is, I feel this was a bad decision, for previously posted reasons.  If the reason for success is that you truly have a dynamic coaching staff, that coach and recruit better than other staffs, congratulations on your teams success.  Also, congratulations to your son.  It sounds like he made a good choice for himself.  The facts I stated in previous posts are not excuses, just reality.  I will not comment concerning your verbage about losers, I would not want to embarass either one of us.  Have a nice day and watchout for LYCO.  GO WARRIORS!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 23, 2005, 11:01:09 pm
Please, let's talk football.

Until a large swath of D3 players go to the NFL - football is football, not a business to those who play it.  Academics will always vary between conferences, schools, regions, etc...it's always been that way. 

D3 is about getting your education - and playing some decent football games on the weekends.  Schools of all qualities, academic and athletic, have experienced some levels of success/failure - but they all educated their players as long as the players are dedicated.

So let's avoid the argument of..."my school's academics are better than your's." 

Let's talk football.

That being said - I'd be shocked if Del Val falls to Lyco as some have predicted on the board.  Lyco's offense was HORRIFIC against Widener last week - the Widener offense never tried to stretch the Lyco defense, something you know DVC will do.

I wouldn't be surprised to see DVC just keep flying for the end zone, because overall, the Lyco offense isn't imposing at all.  When these two met last year, there were about 30 mph winds throwing the whole game into a tizzy, so a calmer day could spell disaster for Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 11:57:48 pm
If you can't make it to Williamsport tomorrow, you can catch the game on the Internet at: http://www.sportsjuice.com/.

Pregame begins at 1 PM with kickoff at 1:30 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 24, 2005, 05:49:31 am
New to this format and posting although admittedly a biased Lycoming fan.  Before this post I read all previous msgs, interesting.  I must say that I am curious about the rise of DVC and the demise of Lycoming.  Could it be that Rob Curry is just not getting the recruits for Coach G he once did?  Today's game should be interesting and I am hoping for a Warrior upset but that still will not right the football ship of state in Williamsport.  Perhaps it is time to think about recruiting from somewhere else besides the Philly Catholic league?  Simba, we know each other personally.  All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 24, 2005, 07:44:28 am
D3 football is the most unequal playing field in all of collegiate athletics.  While I do not agree with MOJO that any school will get any kid in with any amount of money, MOJO is correct that some schools will dip their standards down to help the football coach. 

If D3 football really wanted to make things more equal, they should make every potential recruit go thru the NCAA clearinghouse the same way NCAA schools higher up the ladder do. 

Personally, I think the population base in this part of the country is so large that you can find enough kids with a 1300 SAT and a 3.5 gpa to fill a roster.  If the coaches at these more academic schools spent more time recruiting and coaching then whining about the kids DVC can recruit, they might be more successful.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 24, 2005, 10:01:43 am
Patron 2,
It was not I that made the statement, any school will admit any student and give them money, if they want them athletically.  Check with maAggie concerning that philosophy.  I commented on her statement.  Go Warriors and Go Dutchman!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: THE BRAIN on September 24, 2005, 11:39:50 am
albright is gonna throw all over kings while the monarchs will provide very little offense with the new look stingy lion D

albright 28
kings 6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 24, 2005, 11:53:43 am
Listen all of a sudden Del Val wins a couple of games and everyone is up in arms about it...Then everyone starts asking questions about standards...who cares, mostly everyone on this board has graduated or either is over the age of 22...If you graduate from any MAC school you have as good a chance as anyone out in the real world(a Degree is a Degree)

Another thing about handling succes...who are you to question how del val treats or handles their succes...jeez lets the kids and alum go that haven't won in like 20 some years, let them enjoy themselves they deserve it...I was around when del val won the last two years it was amazing how the students, teachers, and alumni came together....

Another thing are you guys saying that someone who scored a 800 on there SAT doesn't deserve a chance in college rather than someone that scored a 1000 ...thats terrible that you guys would sit on here and talk about kids SAT scores (you guys ever think about their future) but then again i guess u guys were perfect student athletes (bullsh_ _)

Also besides Del Val great success the last two years nobody is talking about their offseason workout schedule...They work very hard in the offseason to be where they are....

O by the way ( lol ) you guys want to talk about handling success....hmm they guys on here talking about DVC not knowing how to handle success...seems like you guys aren't handling losing very well !!!!  Maybe you guys should learn how to handle that or is that hard for u alumni???? :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 24, 2005, 12:18:32 pm
Billman56--  Today I'm a LYCO FAN!! ::)  GO WARRIORS!! ;D


Ready to cry--  I got a "nutty bar" for ya. :P 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 24, 2005, 12:46:31 pm
well i dont know what it is about dvc....but they are winning...and when coachs win they get offered better jobs...mangus is gone...he is young and apparently great...so when he leaves we will see what happens to the (currently) top dog in the mac....that is providing that they dont lose this year...does anybody remember an article last year in the philly inq.. it talks about how many games dvc won last year...but could have easly lost...well the unsturdy bridge of luck will give in eventually...my guess it will fall aprt when mangus leaves...and lycos def. isnt going to do it this week....so stop with the predictions of lyco over dvc...

as for kelly of dvc...he is average...he rolls alot and isnt that fast...he is no mahn of the late lyco...wideners young athletic def. which is currently doing pritty well...will shut him down....even without me....

let me getta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 12:48:45 pm
An Officer and a Gentleman, Lyco80....Welcome back to the board....Found a HotSpot to use my Ipaq at Person Field and saw your post...Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 03:06:23 pm
Anemic fist half Lyco Offense...3 chances to turn a turnover into a score and nothing....Geez!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 24, 2005, 04:09:04 pm
FINAL

Widener 41, LVC 38.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 24, 2005, 06:28:46 pm
Simba,

Hope to be at homecoming in two weeks.  Listened to game via streaming feed and could not believe Lycoming was unable to convert their turnover opportunities into points - not what you used to be able to expect from the Warriors.  It seemed DVC started very slowly from the broadcast.  Shame the lads could not take them out in the first half.  Is Coach G planning on building for the future with a Sophomore QB?  What do you think is hurting the team?  Are the other MAC teams that much more improved or has Lyco slipped that noticeably?

Glad to be in contact with you again after my trip to Djibouti Africa on behalf of Uncle Sam.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 07:23:54 pm
First...Congratulations Aggies on your wins the past two weeks...To have that many turnovers against both Wilkes & Lyco and still win says alot about your team being able to regroup and bounce back to do whatever it takes to win....Good luck the rest of the season and special kudos to your Coal-Region QB from "The land of running water"....Yings & Wings are on me when you come back to the County....

Lyco80...Combination of both factors I believe...Parity in the MAC and a young inexperienced QB leading the "O"...Both QB's that have played the past 3 games must learn to react to pressure quicker by tucking it in and run or dump it out of bounds...Which leads into what I believe is the biggest opportunity for improvement...Consistent line play by the "O-Line" to eliminate all that pressure and to stick with their blocks until the whistle blows!....Very fundamental stuff....As for the "D"....They're doing a hell of a job all things considered...They're on the field too long because we can't sustain more than a couple drives a game the past two weeks....They're creating turnovers (today) and making great goal-line stands (last week)...Simba

AP release...
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12733860.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 24, 2005, 07:36:06 pm
Bigdoggy,
Are you on drugs?  How can you say Kelly is only an average QB?  Have you seen his numbers? (see previous post where I listed his stats)  He passed today for 367 yds, and quite frankly I think LVC gave WU all the game they could handle.  Are you sure you did not mean DVC's QB because in your post you said Kelly of DVC?  

Concerning the gentleman that questioned the insensitivty of criticizing not allowing admission to a student athlete with a SAT score of 800.  I do feel that SAT scores should not be the only criteria for admission to college, however you do have to have some type of minimum criteria for admission.  Albeit it is low, but even D1 programs have minimum academic standards that players must meet to be accepted and play ball at that level.  I feel like I'm pounding my head against the wall on this issue, because some of our posters want to win at all costs.  So I will leave you with this thought, drop all the criteria.  Maybe some of the schools can go to the zoo next season and get some trained gorillas to play defensive line.  I am certain some of our posters might agree, why not give a poor gorilla a chance.  Beam me up Scotty, there doesn't appear to be any intelligent life forms down here!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 24, 2005, 08:38:52 pm
--Post deleted--
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 24, 2005, 09:22:01 pm
Josh, A tad to late to delete that post, maybe you should have thought it through a little longer before hitting the post button. Talk about unbelievably harsh!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 24, 2005, 10:03:23 pm
Josh, thank you for deleting your post.  I wouldn't be afraid to say that it might hurt your orders for photos.  As it stands, I'd like to see alot of these posts deleted.  Posts have gotten too harsh in here. 

Congrats to DVC on your win today!  The Albright/King's game sounded like it was one heck of a nail biter game to be at.  Watch out Aggies, the lions are coming for the title.  Great job to LVC today even though you didn't come away with the win, your team put up one heck of a fight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:20:29 pm
ACMOB....AKA, Little debbie....A closet lyco fan...I love it...please read the score board and find out whos fan you will be next week...Oh By the way...I got your nutty bar right here!!!

Simba...Very classy post congratulating DVC today. I honestly dont know who played tougher, The Lyco "D" or the referees.
We all complain about reerees calls but that is just part of the game from the fans perspective. However when DVC played Lyco in 2003, the same situation arose. Poor ball spots, questionable marks where the knee touched the ground, Lyco QB crossing the line of scrimmage blatantly and never called. I honestly dont understand how this crew has not been reported. They were horrendous. Phantom calls on the DVC "O" and it appeared that everytime Del Val had a long play and eventually a touch down it was again called back by a phantom flad. It just seems too coincidental that this has ocurred each time DVC has gone to Williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:31:57 pm
To further comment regarding the refs at todays DVC/Lyco game. It almost seemed that  coach Girardi had a flag in his back pocket as he was making some of the calls for the refs.

Well finally at the end of the game handshake, Lyco showed how classless they truely are and started pushing and shoving the Del Val players before leaving the field and out came the racial slurs, and on an even higher note started mouthing off to the departing Del Val fans.  In my opinion coach Girardi should be coaching his team more people skills along with the X's and O's.  It was a classless display of a team who once was the class of the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:52:35 pm
Rockman...I was wondering if any other fans who have followed their respective teams to David person Field have had similar experiences.  The whole experience today, barring the eventual win, was dissapointing and ugly, tasteless and classless.

Come on all you MAC fans, have your teams experienced the same situations we observed today at Lyco?? Lets hear Ya!!!

Sorry Simba...just had to vent!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2005, 11:16:35 pm
I'll agree that the tone of today's game was disappointing, but I'm not pointing fingers at either side in particular.

While Hanna did look close to the line of scrimmage on his two long passes, I thought the penalties were fairly even handed with about 9 a side.

There were, however, way too many personal fouls for both teams and lots of jabbering back and forth between plays.  Aside from the fouls that got called, several guys on both sides tried to get away with cheap bumps and shoves after the whistle blew.  I only caught the tail end of the post game shouting, but that's an unfortunate way to ruin what's normally an opportunity to put in-game animosity aside and respect each other.  Not impressive for either team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 24, 2005, 11:27:18 pm
Gordon - very well said!  You put that post very eloquently and I wholeheartedly agree.  Thank you for getting your point across without lashing out or pointing fingers.   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on September 25, 2005, 12:12:38 am
i was at the lyco, dvc game and i am slightly more bias to the lyco squad as i go to the school....but....i do think they played terrible...i also don't think dvc should be a number six team....that talented of a qb shouldn't have so many turnovers....lyco's offense sucked..hanna the qb lacked so much confidence in any of his passes that his timing was off every time....coaching wise lyco sucked when it came to play calls both offensively and defensivly....on the d side lyco let up way too many third and long opportunites....on the offense it mostly rested at the qb cause he couldn't get through his progressions and the running game was the only semi productive thing, in which they killed themselves with penalties...
   
as a whole the game was ok nice hard hitting game with alot of stuid meatheadedness on both sides more on lyco's part we had trouble keeping our roid rage under control we might have been able to do ok......

dvc good luck if you play that way every week someones going to pick you off as you made too many mistakes to be a champion...just my opinion good luck

as for lyco they should leave the catholic league recruit scene and try the south jersey group 4 area those guys are beasts and have more talent then anyone they know of up here......s
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 25, 2005, 12:29:33 am
I've been on both sides of the field at Lyco in recent vintage and all I can say is that historically Lyco's team and fans have been a class act.  Officiating can always be an issue, but I do feel this is not a result of the respective school's input, non the less it is a problem.  Personally, yes admittingly I am a Lyco fan except when they play LVC, I always believe there are two sides to every story.  Racism does not belong anywhere, but please do not forget that the racism card can be played both ways.  It would be interesting to hear Lyco's perspective on these supposed incidents.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 25, 2005, 06:42:02 am
swimma,

Exactly how many schools are the South Jersey kids gonna drive by on the way to Williamsport that beat Lycoming??  Widener, DVC, Albright, Rowan... Kids will only drive so far to go play small college football...

When I post that you should put a fork in Lycoming, they are harsh words, but they are true.. Albright's new stadium is top notch.  If you think kids from Bucks, Chester, Montgomery counties are gonna drive out to Williamsport to get beat when they could play for DVC, Albright, or Widener that are closer to home - you have another thing coming.  If you think kids from Southern Jersey are gonna go even farther, wow... I just dont see it happening.

For years Lycoming made a living off of the Philly Catholic league.. They had better do something quick.. One more loss and I bet the Lycoming kids pack the season in like they did last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on September 25, 2005, 12:17:39 pm
patron2.....i completly agree but when recruiting is done properly the school should go further than one tallent pool and lyco has held onto the catholic league for too long...the guys there are great athletes but i kid you not those south jersey group four schools are a hot bed of talent....granted they do have to pass some other schools to get up here to good old willy po but lyco has some excellent traditions and more importantly the education is outstanding....i know that when i was looking for schools i checked out the wideners the albrights never got to del val...but every school has a turn off it just matters how much the recruit is willing to make it work...i know albright was the smallest school i ever saw(you could spit from one side of the campus to the other) and widener was just too close to home....everythings got its ups downs and turn arounds....lyco needs to do something and fast to right this sinking ship and i think it starts with motivation from the coaching staff which doesn't seem to be happening.

on a side note....the racial slurs are by far unacceptable of anyone in this day and age...i wasn't there for the end but i know that through out the game both teams where running their mouths at each other which is expected but i think lyco did it more and thats why the score showed up the way it did...they were too busy using their linquistic skills then keeping their mouths shut and playin football....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 25, 2005, 01:55:18 pm
Although I totally agree that the tustle at the end of the game was 100% wrong, someone asked if anyone knew if the trash talk all came from Lyco's side. My boy told me that some of the guys from DVC wouldn't even shake their hand saying " you F***ers aren't fit to shake our hands"

Lyco should not have allowed themselves to be provoked, especially since some of them were behaving inappropately to begin with.

Unfortunate that there was bad behavior on both sides but it definitely was coming from both sides.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 25, 2005, 03:22:00 pm
Lurkin, funny how my son said the EXACT same thing about not shaking hands..but he said the starters from LYCO...said the F u and did Not shake the hands.....hmmmm.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2005, 03:24:15 pm
Perhaps all the hearsay about whose son says which team said what is a discussion you parents can have at the tailgate and not here. Let's try to talk about something else.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 25, 2005, 03:31:23 pm
Like I said there was bad behavior on both sides........... what came first the chicken or the egg. We'll never know which side started it as I'm sure both teams will claim it was the other guy.  Regardless, it should never have progressed and I fault Lyco and DVC equally. 

I was not defending Lyco, simply answering the question if DVC also was making comments. I don't generally post because I don't want to get into debates about things I know little or nothing about. This was an issue I could simply answer a question. I was not by any means attacking DVC.

Sorry about the hearsay..... I didn't intend to start a debate and will not comment any further
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 25, 2005, 04:26:18 pm
Fellow LYCO Fans,
For many years we were spoiled.  Every season we all assumed that Coach G was gonna take us to the MAC promised land, and most years he did.  The reality is because of changes in recruiting dynamics, there is much more paridy in the MAC.  At this point in time most fans will agree the MAC championship goes through Doylestown (DVC).  This will change in time.  DVC can be beat!  As I stated in an earlier post, catch DVC when their game is off or somebody's game is on, and DVC loses.  Look at many current teams in the MAC, they are only a couple positions away from being a great team rather than a mediocre one.  I am still convinced that on any given Saturday, with the right circumstances, any team can defeat another.  I am confident LYCO will address the recruiting issue.  Keep the faith, Warrior fans. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 25, 2005, 05:48:53 pm
Back in the day, the trash talk was worst when we played Jersey teams (Upsala & FDU)...At that time though, it was just one or two players a game and the Ref's would eliminate it by calling a very close game on those individuals with the biggest mouths...Eventually those clowns (on both teams) got the message and stopped their bad behavior...These days, it's only one or two players that are not trash talking!...Look at all the personal fouls that were called on both teams yesterday...Quite a few times, offsetting...My way to shut someone up back then was to pancake their ass 10 yards downfield with a facemask burried between their numbers!!!....All legal and respectful...Guess what...They were the first to seek me out after the game to shake my hand first....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 25, 2005, 07:57:30 pm
Billman: "Ugly, tasteless and classless"  describes accurately the demeanor of a number of (not all) lyco players during and after the game.

It is true that there are a number of superb athletes who play for DVC who are black!  Lycoming is exclusively white! I cannot say that I personally heard a racial slur uttered. I can say that I witnessed a cowardly blindsiding of  # 87 for DVC,   by a  LYCO defensive team player.  I am sure players  on both sides were "talking smack"  as players routinely do.  Lets hope that the ugly spectre of racism  was not the motivation for the LYCO  bad behavior today. If it iwas its time for an attitude adjustment!
That statement is not correct...And I don't buy any of that race card crap you guys are laying out there...Look at picture #137 that D3's own Josh Bowerman took at the game posted on this website...Would these be the two alledged Lyco players yelling the racial slurs?
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=312&photo=0137

And speaking of "factual" bad behavior, a third party witnessed plenty of it by DV's entire staff on the sideline during the first half of the game...I believe the DV frontrunner quote "Ugly, tasteless and classless" would fit just perfectly to those actions!...How about it Josh...Would you like to reconsider and let all these DV frontrunners read the post you deleted before they got home to read it?...You're not a Lyco fan right?...You're not bias?...Let it fly again...If not, I can paraphrase without your permission can't I?...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 25, 2005, 10:07:08 pm
Albright vs. Kings this weekend was absolutely unreal.  It was one of the best games I've ever seen.  The first half King's dominated.  They ran all over Albright's D.  Albright's O couldn't get anything going and the special teams had a few more mistakes.  The special teams is still shaky.  Kings lead 18-0 at halftime but Albright came back at Kings in the second half.  Albright's D came alive and Port starting getting the offense rolling.  with 2 minutes or so left Albright took the lead 23-20 on a TD pass.  Then with a little over a minute left King's College Qb Chris Barnic threw a bomb to his reciever who took it in for six.  Albright's crowd went silent but the offense came back out with just under a minute to work with.  Albright drove to ball to the 31 going in.  With 4 seconds left Port threw up a prayer to the corner of the endzone just before hitting hit by a King's player.  Albright's reciever was double covered and a King's player batted the ball down and out of no where #80 for Albright came in diving and caught the ball.  The place exploded as Albright took the lead as time expired.

It was ashame someone had to lose as both teams played hard all day.  It was a dog fight and it came down to the very last play.  Kings is 1-3 but are a very good 1-3 team.  Albright is 3-0 and you could say thats a good way to open up a new stadium.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2005, 10:48:07 pm
That's kind of a cheap-shot move, singling out someone's old post when you've made almost no posts yourself. Perhaps you should have a track record of your own before you go trashing someone else's.

Edit: Of course, ready2rock deleted his post after mine went up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 26, 2005, 12:07:01 am
That's kind of a cheap-shot move, singling out someone's old post when you've made almost no posts yourself. Perhaps you should have a track record of your own before you go trashing someone else's.

Edit: Of course, ready2rock deleted his post after mine went up.


Dang, how come that 15 minute rule isnt on this board?  What did it say?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 12:11:24 am
Yeah, I left the default settings in place. I'll look into changing them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 26, 2005, 12:23:08 am
good, its always good to catch someone with either their foot in their mouth or their head up their ass!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 12:46:24 am
Alright -- I believe that now Junior Varsity members cannot delete their posts. We'll see how that works out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 26, 2005, 07:19:55 am
Simba,
I believe the statement, "A picture is worth a thousand words", is quite appropriate here.  Thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 26, 2005, 08:32:05 am
MOJO and I didn't say that DVC allowed anyone in just to play football. What I said and this is in reference to any school and as I've been through the recruiting process several times, they all allow a certain number of exceptions for coaches to get a player in...for example (and I know this for a fact)Rowan who's admit are over 1100 for non-athletes, but  football players are "exempt"...

As for the Warriors, they played well and even shut down DVC's best weapons(including intercepting the QB 4 times)but the Aggies were still able to get it done.

I must admit it was an embarrassment to sit in the DVC bleachers as the fans were really out of control. However, the coaching staff did a great job of reprimanding any player that was goaded into any extra-curricular activity. The game was a hard fought game and tempers were high, but the coaches were on top of every guy who opened their mouth(at least the DVC coaches were, can't speak for the Lyco coaches). Parents, however, need to understand their place and learn a little self-discipline!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 09:33:24 am
Simba--

Since you've called me out, the answer is "No", you cannot paraphrase my deleted post.  It was deleted because I decided that it was unduly harsh, and that ultimately, my opinion really doesn't matter.  FWIW, I've paraphrased for you a little further down...

I am an unashamed Hardin-Simmons fan who took in the DVC/Lycoming game this past Saturday to photographically document the contest for d3football.com.  I am not associated with either DVC or Lycoming in any way, and am an unpaid volunteer for this site. 

My only goal in being at the game was to get some nice, quality images of kids that they and their parents would be able to purchase as momentos and support this great website we all enjoy so much.  To that end, it was a successful day, and I hope that players and parents from both teams will purchase lots of prints!

Having disclosed that, all I will say about the game is that the sportsmanship I witnessed from players, coaches and fans from both DVC and Lycoming this past Saturday was less than I would have expected to see at a DIII game.  My personal hope is that this is not a trend for either team, but rather a single, isolated example of highly emotional young men in an extremely competitive situation not being able to keep their on-field behavior in check.   :-\

That's all I've got to say about that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 09:37:47 am
well said josh otherwise you are lowering yourself to those who participated in those classless acts on the field and in the stands at that game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 26, 2005, 09:40:50 am
I have a poll question.  Moravian loses by 9 to DVC, handily beats Susquehanna, beats Kings at Kings 29-18 and routs Juniata (28-0, end of first quarter).  Albright squeaks by the same Kings team by 2 points at home and receives 24 votes for the D3 top 25.

I know polls are fickle, but c'mon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 09:51:37 am
 I would first like to congratulate the LVC football program for a hard fought game on Saturday. The team is well coached and has much more talent then I have seen at LVC in many years. They are a program that is on the way up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 26, 2005, 09:51:52 am
Chores took me away from the DVC/LYCO game so I was unable to listen to the entire event.  It appears, juding from the posts of others, I missed a lot.

I cannot comment on what I do not know.  However, as a long-time alumnus and follower of Lycoming's athletics let me say that the behavior described in some of the postings is not only inconsistent with Coach G but also the administration and general demeanor of the college.  

Athletics are a spirited, competitive environment and losing can be extremely disappointing and while losing a contest is bitter, losing your character and poise is far more regrettable.

Congrats to a resurgent DVC program and team.  Life is often cyclical and in the late 1990s there were few MAC teams that could stand with Lycoming.  Now it is time for another leader to wear the mantle.  In any event, Go Warriors!

All the best.

Simba,

Will see you at homecoming on 8 October with wife and little one in tow.  Hope to see you then.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on September 26, 2005, 10:01:49 am
Forgive me for posting on your boards MAC fans, but considering what happened in the stands at the Fisher/DVC game last year, does this behavior by DVC players and fans sound like it's a trend? I mean, two of their last five games have ended with opposing teams/fans seriously questioning DVC's class and sportsmanship.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, just an honest question from an objective outsider.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 10:25:59 am
I was at the DVC / WU game last year and watched much of the same behavior. One fan actually spit on a player and a coach while they trying to leave the field. In this case it was only some fans and was not the behavior of the players or coaches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 10:33:52 am
i have witnessed it from both sides so those who live in glass houses wuline should not cast stones....unfortunately it is becoming the norm for a larger and larger number of schools to have some bad apples not all the students and or parents and or players. it is a shame because when alumni bring their kids back as i do to witness it on the field/stands is a shame when your kids look at you and ask does this go on all the time...do not cast this as just a dvc problem i have seen it at just about every school in the mac as well as div II and div I programs as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 26, 2005, 01:58:50 pm
Josh Bowerman...Very nice job with the photos, please come again.

Pat Coleman...Thanks again for setting up the photo shoot, very much appreciated..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 02:05:30 pm
Upbrmeasap -
Please read my post more carefully. I stated that it was small group of fans and should not be a reflection af the team or coaches. If you are going to "throw stones" at least be accurate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 02:30:43 pm
excuse moi, my bad, i thought you were singling out dvc for having bad fans when a large number of colleges at all levels are having problems with fans when they buy a ticket feel it gives them the right to say and do whatever they want. btw josh looked at the photos of the dvc/lyco game and well done by all means pls come again and hopefully you will have a better experience next time....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 02:35:25 pm
Thanks for the kind words.  Now please go purchase some photos!   ;)

I hope to be back for the Ithaca game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 26, 2005, 02:49:39 pm
MOJO...What is your current assessment of LVC's Kelly when he faces DVC's defense. How do you think he will respond??  Is he a scrambler or strictly a drop back passer??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 26, 2005, 04:49:06 pm
Billman,

I know that you directed your question to MOJO, but I am familiar with Kelly.  He is an excellent athlete and has played wide receiver, defensive back, and returned kicks during his LVC career.  I believe that he also served as the team's placekicker against WU last weekend.  Kelly is a threat to opposing defenses on the ground and in the air, and his ability to run gives defenses one more thing to worry about.

WUDLINE, thanks for the compliment about the LVC program being on the rise.  From what I hear, the administration has made a commitment to improving the football program.  I hope that these words are carried out by actions, but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 26, 2005, 04:55:33 pm
WUDLINE:

Thanks for your nice words about LVC. The Dutchmen are making steady progress under Jim Monos and his staff.

While I put little stock in the notion of "moral victories" -- a loss is a loss -- Saturday's narrow three-point defeat by one of the premier D3 venues is, I think, a sign of progress. Two years ago the Pioneers ran up 70 points on the Valley. (I'm ignoring last year's 3-0 LVC win in a game that could, charitably, be described as a mud-wrestling contest -- though any sort of win v. Widener is always welcome.   ;))

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 26, 2005, 06:48:17 pm
Billman,
Ditto LVCalum's comments.  It's not by accident that Kelly has been the top ranked passer in the MAC.  He's tough, smart, and athletic.  In my opinion, if he stays healthy, he will most likely break every passing record at LVC during his career.  Personnel has dictated that he be more of a play action/ scramble type player.  If given protection, Kelly will give DVC some headaches.  LVC"s O-line is a seasoned group.  With few exceptions , this O-line unit is virtually the same group that has started for the past three years.  Although vastly improved, the achielles heel for LVC, has been the defensive unit play.  This is not to say there aren't some talented players on that side of the ball, ie: Holzman (DB).  If the FOOTBALL GODS allow LVC to play O like they did last week against WU and the D to play the game of their life, DVC could be in for a unpleasant surprise.

Wudline, nice comments about LVC.  It's nice to see the coaching staff and the players finally getting some recognition from outside the LVC community.  Thanks!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 26, 2005, 11:08:39 pm
Billman: "Ugly, tasteless and classless"  describes accurately the demeanor of a number of (not all) lyco players during and after the game.

It is true that there are a number of superb athletes who play for DVC who are black!  Lycoming is exclusively white! I cannot say that I personally heard a racial slur uttered. I can say that I witnessed a cowardly blindsiding of  # 87 for DVC,   by a  LYCO defensive team player.  I am sure players  on both sides were "talking smack"  as players routinely do.  Lets hope that the ugly spectre of racism  was not the motivation for the LYCO  bad behavior today. If it iwas its time for an attitude adjustment!
Hey everyone new to this posting and messed up thats why i had to edit, but i took this quote out of Simba's responst to Billman's quote and i have news for all of you... I participated in that game and not a single part of that game or any other football game has to do with race... I in fact was the person who made the "cowardly blindsiding" hit? well i am not sure if any of you have played football in your past or currently, but its a physical game, and when someone comes across the middle of the field to catch a ball and you have a good clean shot on them, (no penalty, which there was none called on the hit) then you take it.... And the first thing after the game that i did while the post game confrontation was going on was makeing sure #87 from DEL VAL was ok, and telling him he played one heck of a game and I did not intend to hurt him... So instead of assuming things and making outrageous comments look for some factual evidence first.... o yea and i guess that the shot that our receiver took that put him out of the game was ok bc a white kid hit him right????? So there is no need to discuss that hit... 

Next point is the racial factor........ Yes Del Val is a Predominantly black team while LYCO is Predominantly white.. but are we all really going to stoop to that fact?? this is a college football game and I feel that I can speak for out entire LYCO team when I say that color has Absolutely nothing to do with any play in any game... And for those of you who feel it does get you self a copy of the LYCO vs Juniata game there was a very similar play where a player who is white (bc apparently this is an issue) ran a post from the defensive left to right and I put the same hit on him that i did on the Del Val player.... Football is Football and if you really think that you hit someone bc they are a different color then i feel sorry for you, bc problems like that i would hope would be far past you....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: guyman on September 27, 2005, 09:14:33 am
I agree with MacFan, Moravian should at least have some mention in the D3 poll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 09:55:30 am
LycoFB

The response you were referring to was one that was sent to me from a poster who now has left this board and has deleted that post. Yes, I did use tasteless and classless, and at the time those words reflected my recollection of the aftermath of a very frustrating game fan wise, and I can only imagine how frustrated the players were. If I offended anyone I apologize here and now.

Wish you good luck the remainder of the season and of course injury free!!

Now lets get ready for week #5.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 10:12:57 am
MacFan762

Moravian is a very good team, and apparently so is Albright. I guess the better team will surface when they play this year.  I dont understand your preoccupation with the polls. Dont you feel that Moravian is getting any or enough PR???  Do you feel that Moravian should be ranked higher than Albright?  In my opinion the polls are just a guide as tho who is the stronger teams. It is not etched in stone.  Please enjoy the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 10:20:31 am
MacFan....Oops, sorry...just checked the schedule, Moravian dosent play Albright this year...How will we find out who is the better team???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 27, 2005, 10:36:57 am
Bill,

No preoccupation here.  Just an observation supported by some observable facts and stats.  I acknowledge that polls are opinions and just wanted to point out that often they ignore what is clearly and plainly right in front of them.

As for the Hounds, I'm sure they are used to being overlooked.  It never seems to bother them and they continue to quietly execute with dignity and class.  Sooner or later it will be properly recognized.  In that, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 27, 2005, 01:32:11 pm
So Albright, a contender for the MAC, and King's probably the most exciting game in the MAC this year and there is one post about it.  How can you not say anything about a game that ended on the last play of the game and was decided by a deflected pass?  DVC beats up Lyco and there is an ugly incident and there is no end to the discussion.  It's an ugly incident, but probably time to put it behind you and talk about some football.
So...what is the biggest matchup this week?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2005, 02:51:17 pm
Splik

There has never been many Kings posters...and Albright posters, post sporadically....other than them, who would talk about it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 27, 2005, 03:09:16 pm
LYCoFB, I think your reference to DVC as being a "predominantly black" team says much about your preoccupation with race. I guess when you have only two players on a roster of 100+ players you would think that any other team would be "predominantly black." Oddly enough you are wrong, but who cares.

The bottom line is that the past "elite" teams are having a difficult time allowing a team who used to be the perennial doormat of the league to enjoy their success and admit they are doing some pretty good things with their football program. This improvement is particularly impressive if you look at the fact that DVC is underfunded and has less than impressive facilities. The kids on the DVC football team are there for an education and to play some excellent football and enjoy the experience. The previous powerhouses are having a difficult time admitting this is a good program with some outstanding coaches and players, and they are playing well. It's obvious there is a certain frustration level for those opponants and they resort to extracurricular activities which have no place on the field.

I personally had no problem with the hit on 87 in terms of being a cheap shot or flagrant, it was however, and should have been penalized, pass interference, as the hit came before the ball. As you could see it didn't keep 87 from coming back and making a number of fabulous plays. Big hits are part of the game and 87 knows this.

Perhaps the discussion should end with this: DVC did what it had to do to win the game, even overcoming their own mistakes. They will need to eliminate those things(off-sides, int's, unsportsmanlike penalties)if they are to reach their goal of back to back macs. I believe they will do so.

Good luck on the remainder of your schedule Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 27, 2005, 04:34:40 pm
lets drop the race comments and lets enjoy the season.  dvc is "predominately black" and thats all the kid said.  I don't think kids now a days even really think about race as being an issue as people a generation ago did.  so maggie just relax.  we all know DVC is one of the top 3 teams if not thee top team in the MAC.  After all they are defending champs.

as for moravian not being in the top 25, historically only 1 or 2 teams from the MAC make top 25 which is ashame because anyone who has watched a MAC game knows how good of football this league is.  personally i think evry year the two top teams in the MAC should make the playoffs.

As for no one talking about Albright's win over Kings thats also a shame.  I went and watched this game and I've been to plently MAC games before but this one ranks with one of the best games i've ever witnessed.  whether thats nfl, college, or high school.  the final 3 minutes there was 3 touchdowns.  kings was leading all game and albright came back with 3 minutes left.  Then kings came back leaving just under a minute left.  Then with 4 seconds left albright scores again as time expired off a batted down ball from a kings db.  the albright receiver dove and caught it.  the energy from the crowd that day was awesome and just defined what the mac is all about.  every team in this league is good people(DIII higher ups) just don't recognize the competition as much as they should. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 27, 2005, 04:35:50 pm
CONGRATULATIONS TO ...

RB John Ortiz (King's) and WR Adam Brossman (LVC) for earning a spot on the current D3Football.com "Team of the Week."

Ortiz had 59 carries* for 267 yards and two touchdowns v. Albright.

Brossman caught seven passes for 191 yards and three touchdowns (87, 35, and 03 yards) along with a two-point conversion catch v. Widener.

It's nice to see two MACers make the team the same week ....

---------------------------------------

* How does a running back have 59 carries -- a D3 record -- and not end up in the emergency room?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2005, 04:59:01 pm

The bottom line is that the past "elite" teams are having a difficult time allowing a team who used to be the perennial doormat of the league to enjoy their success and admit they are doing some pretty good things with their football program.

maAggie5

I think you are being a bit thin skinned....

Personally, I thought that LYCOFB's post took a lot of guts, and he without hitting everyone in the head with a hammer, pounded home the fact that the kids were just trying to play ball...and sometimes get carried away in the moment...I have a better time reconciling that than when fans get involved...

I guess I belong to the school of, "Act like you've been there before"....winning or losing....score a TD...hand the ball to the ref etc...

As to your blanket comment about the "elite" teams having an issue with DVC winning.  The fact is(and you will learn this) is that when you win for several years everyone guns for you...just ask the old guard for Lyco, WU, SU, Wilkes etc...

Also keep in mind that your audience (on this board) contains individuals who have supported/played on teams that have won or played in national Championship games....and their take is call yourself a powerhouse when you dominate a division or regional, not a conference....it sure is mine...

I personally wish DVC all the success in the world (not at Widener's expense :))
and will root for whomever makes it out of the MAC.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 27, 2005, 06:54:36 pm
Did Ortiz really have 59 carries in one game?  That's unbelievable!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 27, 2005, 07:06:37 pm
LVCALUM:

As hard as it might be to accept, that's the official D3football.com word on Ortiz's performance. He did a number on LVC two weeks ago, but with "only" 151 yards.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 27, 2005, 07:41:43 pm
Yes, Ortiz did have that many carries...though the record was slightly overshadowed by the frenetic finish.

Now....I asked earlier, and this is getting to be too much.

Quit it with the race comments.  A team, regardless of heritage, should be recognized by their play on the field not the color of their skin.  End of story.  If one team's player(s) happen to make racist comments - that is a personal problem, not endemic to the institution they represent. 

This is a forum to discuss football. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 27, 2005, 07:58:39 pm
I get tired just thinking about 59 carries.
bman
I'm neither an Albright or a King's poster, but it is hard not to notice a game as exciting as that one was.  I did not even get to see it on TV.
What's the big matchup this week?  King's-Susquehanna?
Or is it the battle of the Valleys? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 27, 2005, 08:24:42 pm
Bman,

Nice posting - I could not agree with you more on most accounts, and will, root for whomever moves forward from the MAC.

I live in Virginia and therefore keep an eye on non-MAC teams such as Christopher Newport, among others.  I am continually amazed by the NCAA playoff setup that permits teams, sometimes with 6-3 records, to be selected.  The MAC seems to always spend the season bruising one another in very heated contests that are as much a battle for football supremacy as they are about local bragging rights.  This struggle wears down eventual champions while other D3 teams seem to move effortlessly through their schedule entering the playoffs well-rested.

On the race matter:  I am sure Coach G and Rob Curry would love to recruit talented black/African-American athletes to Lycoming but lets be honest, Williamsport, PA is not all that cosmopolitan.   

In the end, this is really all about football, which can be a microcosm for life.  I say, good luck to all the teams, players, coaches, parents of MAC football.  To be a part of the sport as a college athlete is one of life's true treats - enjoy the moment to is fullest.  Go Warriors.

All the best.

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 27, 2005, 09:16:36 pm
Warren,
Thanks for the update on the D3Team of the week.  Granted, I am biased towards LVC players, but Adam Brossman is an unbelievable talent.  I've never seen a kid that is as consistent a receiver as he is.  Anyone who reads this board knows I have consistently praised the abilities of Kelly at LVC.  I am a firm believer he can compete with any QB in the MAC.  That being said, Brossman is a big part of Kelly's success.  I have seen this kid make some catches that probably would have been picks, had another receiver been on the field.  I feel this kid is the best receiver in the MAC.  No, he doesn't have blinding speed but you'd be hard pressed to find a kid that can catch the ball in traffic better than he does.  As stated in earlier posts, I feel Kelly and Brossman could start for any team in the MAC, no disrespect intended.  I stated yesterday, if Kelly stays healthy, he will break every passing record at LVC in his career.  Ditto that statement for receiving records for Brossman.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 28, 2005, 12:15:23 am
MAggie
 i used the words "predominately black" as quoted from an earlier post... so you misunderstood my point on it which is ok and i agree drop all race issues are done with on the posts

My next issue is with me personally having a problem with Del Val winning, and i agree there are many people who this upsets, but i am certainly not one of them, yea it frustrates me losing to Del Val, but it frustrates me losing to any team. The best team in the league should win... and Del Val over the past two years has been the best team in the league hands down.. i am really glad that they are turning the program around down there.... My only reason for even posting anything on the game with Del Val was bc i felt personally attacked by earlier comments on the site... I feel that Del Val is a outstanding team and wish them best of luck in this years playoffs bc im sure they will be there..... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 08:07:42 am
alright it looks like everyone is ready to move on past the issues of last weeks game. so it will be interesting to see how dvc reacts after an emotional win over lyco. lvc has some good players and should be a worthy opponent although its homecoming for dvc and with a off week the following week, i expect dvc will pull away in the second half. one thing i want to see is if dvc has any more of "going thru the motion" games like they had against wilkes. where after the game coach mangus waves off the media and rips into the players and coaching staff and tells them both about taking teams for granted. And proceeded to have a staff meeting next morning at 8a.m. sunday morning in his office to drive home the point and make sure that never happens again. He was more than a little fired up after that game at his players and staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 28, 2005, 02:11:19 pm
Let me first say that I am sorry for even commenting on this topic. However, I am at the point I feel I must say something. The racial discussions steming from the DVC / LYCO game need to stop. As previously mentioned by Pat, this site is set up for us to discuss football. In a year that we are lucky enough to have so many other stories to focus on why must we continue to focus on a negative. There are to many great players spread throughout our conference that truely deserve our attention.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 28, 2005, 03:50:52 pm
...i expect dvc will pull away in the second half...
upbrmeasap
you sound like a broken record.  I swear I read that in every prediction you have made for DVC.  Not taking LVC lightly, I think they need to dominate on their homecoming if they are really as good as advertised.
To be a great team, like past Lycoming and Widener teams, it seems you should dominate from beginning to end.  Beating Lycoming by 3TD's any year means your really good, but the big question seems to be whether DVC can continue their recent success and be dominant like Lycoming and Widener have been. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 03:57:23 pm
ok splik or should i call you jimmy the greek? please refresh my memory when was the last time dvc lost a mac game? they will most likely run the table again this year so if you dont lose a mac game for 2.5 seasons i guess that is not dominating in your book. for those of us who have so much less knowledge that your mighty self please enlighten to what you would call a dominating team in the mac record wise? us little guys here at dvc are hanging on your every word..... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 28, 2005, 04:10:41 pm
At risk of raining on someone's parade ... folks need to realize that dominance never lasts forever and, like glory, is often transitory.

 Today's DVC "dominance" isn't necessarily tomorrow's. So enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 04:52:38 pm
i have the umbrella out and i more than realize that most things in life are cyclical just look around. I more than know there are lots of people lining up to knock you off the top of the mountain. just asking a clarification on domininance thats all.... 8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 28, 2005, 06:12:40 pm
DVC Fans,
LVC will be a worthy opponent.  If the Aggies take them lightly, I assure you they are at risk.  I make this statement based on several facts:

1.  DVC is coming off a very emotional game with LYCO.  Can they get up for a game where I'm sure they feel they are a superior team.

2.  LVC although having a losing record, has had a paradigm shift in their thought process, they believe, and rightfully so, they can compete with anybody in the MAC.  I don't think this has been a historic thought process for this program in the past.

3.  LVC got hammered by this team last year.  A victory over this team for LVC, at this point in the season being 1 - 3, would be the equivalent of winning the MAC for many of their players and could pave the way to this team finishing in the top half of the division.

This is going to be a great game.  Go Dutchmen!

Also, best of luck to the Warriors!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 28, 2005, 08:10:38 pm
Fellow MAC Fans,
Looked over some of the other teams in other conferences.  I'm sure that some of the posters can bring more accurate info to the table, but can ANYBODY in the MAC play with Rowan this year.  At least on the scoreboard, it appears they are really kickin some tail.  Saw they came back 21 pts and defeated Robert Morris, a D1AA team.  No small feat for a D3 team.  Also, no disrespect intended, but they hammered DVC in the playoffs last year and when looking at last years MAC teams, DVC was clearly the best team in our league.  Input would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 28, 2005, 08:41:01 pm
Hey MOJO Im not really sure what Rowan has to do with the MAC, but anything can happen in any game... Rowan might have beat DVC last year yes, and they might be a far better team of paper then any MAC team, but it does not make them unbeatable... If DVC could get good team chemistry, and play upto their potential they can win any game... I feel there problem sometimes is they play just above the level of there opponents.... which is the reason for some of there games in the past two years being close games with teams who had no where near the talent of DVC..... But as i said before they have the talent, only if they decide to come and play can they beat a team like Rowan...

GO LYCO
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 28, 2005, 08:50:21 pm
MOJO: Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts, it's not too hard to win at the D-III level. Sakim Wright is having a monumental season and will be trouble for the DVC dbs because he's got a height advantage. That said, I think that GA will have this team prepared and having one NCAA appearance will help them. Of course, you first have to get there, and that will be a bumpy road indeed.

I think all the talk about "great teams", "dynasties", winning year in and year out, is really nothing but wishful thinking on the parts of those parties doing the talking. Try focusing on the here and now, where DVC is 4-0, hopefully, they'll win this Saturday and go to 5-0. They are capable, and the margin of victory is meaningless, as many have stated that LVC is greatly improved. Therefor, winning by even 1 point is a great win and that's what DVC is focused on doing---WINNING one at a time.

So let's have an enjoyable homecoming and give the alum something to cheer about. The stands will be filled with crazies once again and it should be great football weather so ----- GO AGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 08:59:25 pm
MOJO: Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts, it's not too hard to win at the D-III level.

I think you're stuck in a late '90s stereotype of Rowan. They may have more transfers from Del Val there than any D-I school.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 28, 2005, 09:51:07 pm
what is a DI washout anyway?

Pat, how many DVC transfers do they have ..I was only aware of one?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2005, 10:18:57 pm
D3Phan:

To my knowledge Rowan has two -- Whetstone and Tolbert.

As Pat mentioned, that stereotype of Rowan as the land of Division I castaways doesn't fit any more.  I've heard Wright, who began his collegiate career at ECU, came home partly due to a serious illness he overcame.  No shame in that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 28, 2005, 10:25:59 pm
yea those d1 castaways now go to Delaware.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 10:38:16 pm
Which is also a D-I school. :)

I-AA schools don't cotton to not being referred to as D-I. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 28, 2005, 10:56:55 pm
aka "Lil Debbie" (MAC board) ::)

Billman50cents--  I'm a Rowan fan not MSU!  How's that acid ball?  >:(

Answer to your question MOJO-- NOOOOOOOOOO!! :P

LycoFB--  RU related to the MAC via East region playoffs, unless they are moved back south.  Not likely.  Also, RU is better on the field, not on paper!  Check recent history before betting. ;)

Pay attention to maAggie and win the "big" MAC first.  Enough ZINGERS for now!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on September 29, 2005, 12:31:44 am
Maggie 5

Now that wasn't a very nice thing to say "D-1 washouts".   One might think that you were envious ::).  By the way,what the he** is a "D-1 washout"?  If transfers bother you so much, before you label kids as "washouts",  you should get your facts straight as to why they  transferred.  Also, would you label Whetstone and Tolbert as "DVC washouts"?

Since you seem to be all-knowing and have an inside track to GA and how he'll prepare for RU and Wright, mention to him that he might not want to overlook Silva, Katcher, the Stys brothers, D'Imperio, Jenkins, Sampson, Eisenhart, etc.  He might also want to take a gander at Orihel, Encarnacion and Richardson. 

Once you and he solve those minor problems, there are a few defensive guys you might want to ponder.  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 08:35:51 am
mojo i have heard about the players on lvc's offense who are some players on defense that we should keep and eye on? thx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 09:12:19 am
ok splik or should i call you jimmy the greek? please refresh my memory when was the last time dvc lost a mac game? they will most likely run the table again this year so if you dont lose a mac game for 2.5 seasons i guess that is not dominating in your book. for those of us who have so much less knowledge that your mighty self please enlighten to what you would call a dominating team in the mac record wise? us little guys here at dvc are hanging on your every word..... ::)

I think I like splik better.  I don't know if they'll run the table if they don't dominate/show-up from the very beginning of games.  They're real good, but they (just like everyone else) are beatable, especially if they rely on pulling away in the second half all the time.  Also, thank you for noticing my mightiness as my book should be hitting shelves in the next few months.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 09:22:06 am
The DVC/LVC game this week will not be a walk in the park for either team and especially DVC. The Home coming thing has got them pumped and I dont think any team is taking LVC lightly and their record dosent reflect the talent on board. I think it will be a good game but not a blowout like the last meeting.

DVC   42    LVC   24

GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 09:26:43 am
referring to the topic of anybody in the MAC beating Rowan, its not gonna happen. I was at the DVC Rowan game last year and it was total domination from start to finish. 49-0 at half time. DVC is not on the Rowan level yet, maybe someday, but not yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 09:29:27 am
i agree at this point chum slam although i want to see how they finish the season. the experience last year should help. after the first play when rowan hit that long pass against them it rocked them back on their heels and they lost confidence and never recovered. rowan again looks very strong but i would really like a rematch to see what mangus and co. learned from last years game against them and how we stack up against them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 09:43:08 am
A rematch would be nice. But I think that Rowan was superior in size, strength, speed, and attitude. They looked like they knew they were going to blow them out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 09:48:38 am
i agree they were deer in headlights after that first long pass i think this years game would be much closer (heck anything would be closer than last years game!!) but interesting to me i would of liked to see linfield since they beat rowan the following week as bad as they spanked us. linfield again is ranked very high and i would assume returns a fair amount of players and will be very difficult to beat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 11:13:37 am
Last years hammering of DVC by Rowan was a chain saw going through butter. You cant coach size and speed and they had both. In my opinion, I think it is time for Rowan to move up to DII or DI-AA.

There was talk earlier of DI "Washouts" going there and a couple of DIII "Washouts" from DVC going there. Well I am here to tell you that Tolbert and Whetstone from DVC were not washouts but very good players. They were either recruited by Rowan or transfered for other reasons...they are sorely missed at DVC.  DI transfers???? I think he ended up at Linfield and played QB.....

Pat... I know transferring up to DI and player must sit out a season, but Does DIII have anything in place like that...Help me out here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 11:15:51 am
ACMOB....So you come out of the closet and are a Rowan supporter...that is a good thing....Now as an admitted "Front Runner" who will you be pulling for this week Notre Dame?????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2005, 11:18:02 am
Billman56:

A transfer from one D3 venue to another does not have to sit out a season.

[NOTE: See the front-page story on the receiver who transferred from Norwich to Mt. Union.]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2005, 11:28:41 am
Some conferences impose rules on players transferring between conference schools, but there is no Division III rule on a national level, as Warren points out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 11:43:32 am
I was recruited by a D1AA school while I was playing D3. I dont think I could have sat for a year, I would have gone crazy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on September 29, 2005, 01:35:08 pm
They were either recruited by Rowan or transfered for other reasons...

Billman

Suggesting that Whetstone and Tolbert were recruited by RU is a serious allegation. 

Both kids are from deep S. Jersey........did you ever consider that either or both wanted to get closer to home to play in front of family & friends or that maybe the in-state NJ tuition was a whole he** of a lot lower than DVC. ???

Maybe they didn't like the DVC program, didn't like Mangus, didn't like Dowlestown, didn't play enough, wanted a better chance at a national title, missed their pet goldfish, etc.  Who knows?  Could be all, some or none of these reasons.

I don't know their motivations and, from your post, it appears that you don't either, but to suggest that they were recruited without proof is wrong. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 29, 2005, 01:45:37 pm
Tuition savings was the big reason both decided to transfer. Coming out of HS neither player could get into Rowan academically, so they went to Del Val instead.

Thought I'd put an end to the conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 01:50:01 pm
Pat...Warren...I must have made the post clear....As I understand it, you have to sit out a season when making the move upward from DIII to DII or higher? Is this a correct statement?  On the other hand what is the criteria when making a move downward to DIII, say from DI-AA for instance??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 29, 2005, 02:01:11 pm
Any team that is thinking about whether or not they can compete with Rowan at this point in the season won't ever get a chance to find out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2005, 02:29:32 pm
JT's right about Whetstone and Tolbert regarding cost concerns.

Coach Mangus said as much in my first interview with him of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 02:32:50 pm
Since D3 is not supposed to be like the "big boys" in DI, is transferring for playing time really that common?  I can understand the idea of transferring for a multitude of non-football related issues, but it does not necessarily make sense to transfer for PT when there is so little chance of getting noticed and playing on Sunday afternoons.  These players are supposed to be STUDENT-athletes and in my experience I was treated as such, but reading the article on the front page makes me wonder if that is the norm.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 29, 2005, 05:07:09 pm
RU fan

Don't worry, those two were just a make up for a certain RU QB who defected to the MAC a few years ago ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 29, 2005, 06:08:52 pm
bman,

We got the better end of that deal too :)
Title: C
Post by: MOJO on September 29, 2005, 09:01:04 pm
MAC Fans,
My reason for bringing up the Rowan discussion was that whoever captures the MAC crown, will probably meet up with Rowan, and/or a similar team in the playoffs.  From what I have seen on paper, I do not believe there is a team in the MAC that could take them to task.  The other year they played Millersville, a D2 team, and literally ripped them apart. (Albeit this was a mediocre Millersville team)

Kids that I have seen transfer to D3 schools from D1 are usually D1AA and not D1.  These kids usually transfer down because they are getting limited to nil time on the field in the program they are leaving, and want to play.  I think it is unfair to state that these kids are washouts.  These kids realize that they only have 4 years of eligibility, post high school, to play ball.  The likelyhood that this type player would ever get to play Sunday afternoons is nonexistent.  You can't criticize a kid for wanting to play, particularly when they can positively contribute to another progam.  I would be embarassed to refer to these type players in "WASHOUT" terminology, after my team "got beat like a rented mule" last year in the playoffs. (DVC vs Rowan)  When comparing Rowan to any school in the MAC, to be concise, Rowan is bigger, faster, and stronger.  The two teams I follow in the MAC (LVC and LYCO)have each had ,one transfer from an upper division, in recent vintage.  LYCO had a starting QB that was from Millersville (D2) and LVC had a reserve QB from VMI (think D1AA).

I do agree a win is a win.  With that being said, I believe to play at the playoff level and be successful, you gotta be able to consistently play 4 quarters of good ball.  You also gotta have the eye of the tiger, the killer instinct.  I found it interesting to read LYCOFB's comments that he thought DVC only played up to their competition.  Be assured this approach will not bring success at the playoff level, particularly with teams like a Rowan. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 29, 2005, 09:13:24 pm
Billman--  As a Wolverine fan, rooting for the "Golden Domers" is not going to happen!!  DVC set themselves a standard last year in the MAC and matching it will be more difficult with teams gunnin' for 'em.

What name is al(ready to...) vanish under now??

YO MO--  good question, but a bit premature.  Alot of business needs to be taken care of within conferences.  GOOD LUCK THIS WEEK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 09:18:03 pm
that wasn't a mediocre Millersville team, that was a pretty bad MU team, but Rowan kicking the crap out of them was a pretty good feat.  
Is it fair to say football is the only reason these guys are transferring/?  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2005, 10:29:50 pm
I agree with AC.

There's an awful lot of football to play before DVC fans can even entertain a game with Rowan.

If DVC loses to Albright, it's not a sure thing the Aggies are even in the playoffs.  Plus I think IC and SJF are at least as good as DVC and we might even see a Liberty League teams factor into the fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 29, 2005, 11:44:44 pm
Don Hansen's football predictions for this week:

DVC 49           LVC  0
Albright  27    Juniata  14
King's  28       Susquehanna  14
Lycoming  31  FDU-Florham  31-14
Moravian  21  Widener  14

I'm hoping for a DVC win but this score may be a bit too high.  LVC is a tough team and I don't think it will be a blow out as predicted here.  My prediction DVC 28, LVC 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 30, 2005, 08:49:44 am
In regards to Rowan beating Millersville... I dont know how much stock I would put into transfers, although they get their share...

There are no d2 schools in Jersey.  Not much for 1AA either.  Since state grant money doesnt travel over the PA/NJ line, PSAC schools really are hamstrung when it comes to recruiting legit d2 players in NJ.

What's this all mean?  It means Rowan is playing d3 football with d2 kids, in a conference with a 100 man roster limit, and a state that has a lot of talent to spread around.  I am not surprised at all that they crushed Millersville.

I was more surprised to see them get waxed the way they did against Linfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 30, 2005, 09:19:47 am
This post room is set up for the discussion of MAC football. Who cares about Rowan at this point. Lets talk about the conference games this week. I also think the 49 - 0 DVC score may be high. I was very impressed with LVC last week. They are a good young team with alot of confidence. I do not think they will just roll over for the Mighty Aggies. Albright should handel Juniata easily. Don Hansens perdiction may be a bit off this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 30, 2005, 09:48:15 am
WUDLINE,

I hope your assessment of LVC is correct.  I have yet to see them play, as I am now living in Pittsburgh.  As a side note, I wonder how MAC teams view the Aggies these days.  When I played, the powerhouses of the conference were Lyco and WU, and, to a lesser extent, Wilkes.  Those teams had been very good for a long time, so there was kind of an aura about them.  I wonder if DVC has that same aura, given that they were a MAC doormat for so long.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 30, 2005, 10:11:10 am
For what it is worth, here is my predictions for the week.

DVC        35    LVC                 21
Albright   42   Juniata            14
King's      21   Susquehanna   7
Lycoming 35   FDU-Florham   14
Widener  38   Moravian         35
TCNJ      166   Rowan              4


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 30, 2005, 10:42:37 am
LVCALUM when did u play ? what position ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 30, 2005, 11:26:53 am
I hate to burst everyones bubble, but DVC will without question handle LVC.  I know everyone wants to stick up for LVC because they have show some moments of brilliance.  Yet, moments get you nothing, they are not the quality team that DelVal is, Cook will run for a mile, and the DV defense will have a good game. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4merprof on September 30, 2005, 12:12:05 pm
BMAN,

That's kinda funny, your RU vs. TCNJ prediction.  However, I don't think TCNJ will score that many points the entire season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 30, 2005, 12:38:19 pm
Also, to everyone who is already placing their team against Rowan in whatever round of the playoffs.  Rowan has not made the playoffs yet this year.  Its only the 5th week of the season, they could still lose, although I do see them as a playoff team.  However, nobody in the MAC has room to place themselves in the playoffs.  Its WEEK FIVE.  You have to finish first in the MAC or get the next bid, and last time I checked NOBODY has clinched the MAC just yet.  Lets cut the "When we play Rowan" talk, because Rowan still has to make the playoffs, and that stays the same for every team represented in this board.  And, please dont give me the "Well Last year" comment, because let me tell you something, Last year is over and done with.  DVC is the reigning MAC champs, and that means absolutely nothing right now.  FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO FORGOT THIS IS WHY THE GAMES ARE PLAYED, AND THERE IS A LOT OF SEASON LEFT.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 30, 2005, 12:55:17 pm
Predictions for 10/1

Moravian over Widener
Delaware Valley over Lebanon Valley
Lycoming over FDU
King's over Susquehanna
Albright over Juniata

Last Week (4-1)
OverAll Record (15-2)

Opinions appreciated....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 30, 2005, 12:57:53 pm
I believe there is no MAC team that could beat Rowan this year.   I agree with "Dog" playoff talk now is too early in the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on September 30, 2005, 01:52:47 pm
lvc upsets dvc this weekend, you heard it hear first
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2005, 01:59:00 pm
alright its homecoming at dvc anyone going to the game/homecoming this weekend. i am going to try and make it.....readytorock or billman???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 30, 2005, 08:32:03 pm
YAWOHL DYNASTY,
DEUTCHMANN UBER AGGIES! 21-14 BLIETZKRIEG!!!!!!!!!!!!,

YO DOG,
DON'T GET SO EMOTIONAL.  IF THE DUTCHMAN DEFEAT THE AGGIES, I CAN RECOMMEND A GOOD THERAPIST FOR THE DEPRESSED AGGIE FANS.  ALSO, THE ROWAN QUESTION WAS APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS WE ARE FANS AND/OR FORMER PLAYERS, NOT CURRENT PLAYERS.  WE CAN SPECULATE, CURRENT PLAYERS MUST THINK ONLY IN TERMS OF ONE TEAM AT A TIME.  OTHERWISE, THEY ARE DOOMED.  IT DON'T MATTER WHAT YOU OR I ARE THINKING OR QUESTIONS WE ARE ASKING, WE AREN'T PLAYING OR COACHING. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on September 30, 2005, 09:27:23 pm
one game at a time is the way to look at things for everyone at this point, most teams in the mac can play with anyone, even those looked at as 'lesser skilled' teams. the 'battle of the valleys' has long been a heated game for dvc and lvc had been the doormats of the conference. now dvc is a very talented team and the lvc has great potential, watch out for a barnburner in doylestown. as for the rowan comments earlier, they are the team to beat in the northeast so they make a great team to compare others to.

again, watch out for the dutchmen saturday, its their game to make a statement in the mac!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2005, 11:53:36 pm
If you can't make it to Doylestown, you can still catch the "Battle of the Valleys" on the internet.

Pregame coverage begins at 12:30 PM with kickoff at 1 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Shoot us an email during the game at pngsports@msn.com if you're so inclined.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 01, 2005, 09:33:34 am
Gameday is here.  Any chance LVC's Coach Monas has consulted with ex boxing great, Muhammed Ali, and has come up with a defensive version of the Rope a Dope, to tire/wear out the DVC O.  Although, no matter what the outcome, I'll be supporting LVC.  For LVC to be in this, they must play their best game of the year on both sides of the ball.  Go Dutchman!  Best of luck to the Warriors also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 01, 2005, 10:48:53 am
The rope a dope is not going to help...DVC is at one level, the rest of the league another!!

With that said the DVC players will work for most the other MAC players for remainder of their life so let the aggies enjoy being a non-acadmic team in a mostly academic league.

best of luck d-men..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 01, 2005, 11:43:14 am


With that said the DVC players will work for most the other MAC players for remainder of their life so let the aggies enjoy being a non-acadmic team in a mostly academic league.


Hey, mondaya:

That's a damned ignorant comment above. How long did it take you to think it up?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 01, 2005, 04:23:23 pm
Ignorant huh??

Face it the real ignorance on this board is from everyone that thinks that all the MAC schools are alike and recruit the same student athletes.  With the exception of Knoblach(who was a very good HS student) there may be a handful of players on the DVC roster that were admitted to any other MAC schools.

Please understand this is not a knock at DVC or Coach Mangus.  The school had a need several years ago.  That need was to fill the seats in the classroom with bodies.  Coach Mangus filled that need by filling emptyseats in the classrooms with football players.  Any other coach in the MAC would do the same.  But the people on this board need to recognize that in the MAC there are schools that are considered competitive academically and those that are not.  DVC is not...but they do fill a need for those students that cannot even be recruited by the other schools.  Make no mistake about it Coach Mangus and his staff work their butt off.   They find players who may not be students but can play and then they have to keep them in school.

Warren,
 I am anything but ignorant on the subjects of recruiting, coaching, or understanding how small colleges operate.  My previous statement can be labeled as strong or out of line but not ignorant!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on October 01, 2005, 05:10:32 pm
FDU-41  Lyco-14 after 3qts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 05:45:01 pm
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important. As was stated last week give up the academic comparisons, they are totally irrelevant on this board.

Now for all those who predicted a close game or were even dreaming of a LVC win, guess you got a jolt of reality today. DVC should have had two more scores and a shut-out. I saw nothing from LVC except horrific tackling and blocking.

Lastly, I would like to point out that although the DVC offense is highly touted the defense has been outstanding and most impressive.

Congrats Aggies on a great win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 01, 2005, 06:27:35 pm
After another beating, does Lycoming pack it in this year like they did last year?  I never would have thought that FDU would have dropped a bomb on them like that.  The game with Wilkes is a big one isnt it?  Then Ithaca is on the schedule... They could start 1-5. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 01, 2005, 06:30:07 pm
What happened to Lycoming? I was planning on making the trip from Ithaca in a couple weeks, but will it be worth it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 01, 2005, 07:00:36 pm
Congratulations Bill...

Big win at home for the Devils!...FDU took it to the Warriors from the beginning of the game and never let up...A blow out no less....Have a Yuengling on me....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 01, 2005, 07:05:07 pm
Simba

I will be nice to you the rest of the year...I feel your pain...

mondaya.m.qb


Make post # 2 your last, unless you have something to add of value...that trash doesn't belong here....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 01, 2005, 07:16:21 pm
Wow, I'm shell shocked, I could not attend the game but listened on radio.  LVC got their clocks cleaned.  I was hoping that after the emotional win at LYCO, and their playing an inferior team, to catch DVC down.  Obviously that didn't happen.  Also, did anybody see the LYCO debacle coming.  Looks like that emotional component possibly hit LYCO instead of DVC.  What about the Albright game?  I know there's alot of football left, but barring any catastrophic events (injuries), the MAC crown again goes through Doylestown.  Congratulations on a great game.  Best of luck the rest of the season Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 01, 2005, 07:23:23 pm
first and foremost, congrats to dvc for their win today. they are a very talented team who is extremely well coached. and yes i am going as far as to say dvc won today with class, there was limited 'jawing' and tomfoolery, which (in question) was pronounced their style.

second, the comment made "their will work for us" is totally uncalled for and demeaning to the athletes of del val. Although dvc may not be a juniata or lvc of the mac when it comes to academia, they are a institution of higher learning and the rest of the mac are not ivy league teams.

the dvc and lvc game was rather opposite of what i expected, but dvc has great athletes and seemingly can go very far this post season. congrats to all those who won this weekend.


go dutchmen
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on October 01, 2005, 08:42:03 pm
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important.

Maggie 5

The nerve of that guy!  That's almost as bad as calling someone a "D-I washout".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2005, 08:50:17 pm
Nice game for the Poster(s') Children today.

Miller hit another FG and all his PATs.  Murphy gets INT #5.  Cook played limited action but was effective in his only drive.

Good game overall for the Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 09:46:50 pm
Yo RU fan why so defensive??? What's the big deal? Does RU not have kids good enough to play--and some were--D-I athletics? They left D-I for one reason or another, and now they are playing at Rowan. What luck for them. If it bothers you so much there must be a reason.

Now since this is a MAC board, I've nothing more to say about NJAC teams.

Just wanted to make an observation about D-III football as witnessed at DVC/LVC today...it's football in it's purest form. Nobody running out of bounds to avoid tackles...guys busting it for extra yards on every play! It sure beats the heck out of watching Sunday football with all the guys worrying about their paychecks.

Great weather, great football, nothing better than that!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 01, 2005, 10:02:57 pm
Thanks Gordo...they were all not pretty but went through just the same.

Readytorock.....your player has certainly got his stuff together...Nice job for him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2005, 11:20:05 pm
Indeed.

Mr. Murphy did a great job shutting down Brossman who came in averaging 124 ypg.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 02, 2005, 12:04:54 am
I have given the following some thought and am curious what others may think.  It seems to me that Lycoming has not fully recovered from the death of Ricky Lanetti.  I was overseas in Djibouti, Africa for the 2003 season and only learned about the tragedy through the D3 homepage.  I did listen to the NCAA heartbreaking playoff loss to Bridgewater on a snowy Sunday.  It is hard for me to fathom how a team that consistently was at the very top of the MAC year in and year out has fallen on such hard times.  Granted, other teams improve but that can only account for some of the on-field results.  My sense is that there must be something else afoot.  Curious - what about the rest of you?  Simba, your input on this one means the most to me.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on October 02, 2005, 01:16:29 am
Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts

Maggie 5

I wasn't being defensive, I was trying to make a point which you obviously missed!

How can you post what you did (shown above) about RU where you called transfers a bunch of D-1 washouts  when you have no information about any of these kids or why they transferred ...... but to you ..... they're washouts.  Sounds like an insult to me. ;)

Then you have the gall to come back and post the following equally stupid statement about another poster.
 
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important.

If I were you, and thank God I'm not, I would make sure that my feet were always clean because you seem to have the  propensity for putting your foot in your mouth!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 02, 2005, 02:13:48 am
as previously stated the dvc lvc game was intense even though the score was lop-sided. dvc is a great team who may win out, and lvc has a great chance to upset a few of their remaining 5. the mac is a crazy conference that anyone can win in any week. going to be a fun finish! If anyone can comment, whats going on with albright, wilkes and moravian... how do they look?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 02, 2005, 08:27:01 am
My previous posts were not meant as an insult to any players or teams. I actually was just trying to repeat an old Ivy/nescac chant the bad teams used when they lost to good teams as there only answer to superior athletes.  The chant was"It's alright its Ok you're gonna work for us someday"  I guess my sarcasm was misinterpeted.  I meant in the context of the post that an Ali like "rope a dope" won't help LVC.  The only thing they have over DVC is their education...and they do.

My follow up post was just to state a fact that it is not just coaches and players who decide a program is to be successful.  It is the administrations of the schools that decide.  This is most prevelent in DIII where there are no scholarships to even the playing field during recruiting.  If an administration wants or needs athletics to be successful, than they make them successful through a coach, budgets,admissions, financial aid or some other avenue. It is the adminstration of the school that allows success to happen.  Unfortunately for students, alum and coaches some schools do not want to be known for their athletic program. 

I have read posts on here for a long time and never even wanted to post.  My posts are just anther viewpoint about DIII football.  I will stay off of this board if it is not ready for the reality of this facet of DIII football. 

Sorry for anyone I may offended especially players or coaches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 02, 2005, 09:51:57 am
Mondaya.m.qb,
I feel what you convey is the truth.  I had posted in the past, that the success in the MAC is determined more by individual school's admissions and financial aid departments than coachs.  I feel a fine example of this is LVC.  Most close to this program think Monas is a great coach, myself included.  The reason for this, there is visable improvement in the program. i.e.: more kids in camp/roster, appear to be competitive in more games, etc.  Keep in mind Monas coached at LVC in the past and was fired because of supposed lack of production.  The truth of the matter is and was, Monas is a good coach but was in a situation where he could not be competitive.  LVC's admissions department and financial aid office created the situation where Monas could not compete for the same athletes that some of the other MAC schools could attract.  The same situation was true for Monas's successors.   Murray stayed for one season and left because he realized the powers to be at that school would not allow him to be competitive.  Silecchia replaced Murray and the program struggled for the next five years before he was fired. Again, the reason for this was nonproduction.  I will make the same statement about Silecchia that I made concerning Monas, he is/was a great coach but was put in a situation by the school where he could not compete.  Although I am not as close to the program as I once was, I have heard through reliable sources that LVC recently has made some consessions to their historical posture, hence you see the aprx. 100 kid camp and greatly increased coaching staff.  I again state that particularily within the MAC, nonathletic entities within the school ultimitely determine success or failure for their schools  football program.  Believe it or not, NOT THE COACH!  Mondaya.m.qb was right on the money, I feel he meant no disrespect or malice towards DVC by his statement.  The chant he referred to has been around for years in the Ivy, and probably has a certain element of validity, particularly in that forum.  Hope he sticks around, I thinks he brings some good thought to the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2005, 09:53:03 am
mondaya:

You repeated that tired and meaningless taunt as if you actually believed it, a taunt that has all the creative zip of middle-school humor. As well, whatever your intent, you did come across as gratuitously insulting to DVC, its coaches, and its players. That's what was objectionable.

One would have to be an industrial-strength fool not to realize that D3 athletics lacks a level playing field. There's a world of difference between the haves and the have-nots of this division. Some venues make special admission provisions for athletes, some don't. Some abide strictly by the rules. Some bend, if not break, them -- and with apparent impunity

So, yes, it is indeed "the administrations of the schools that decide" and allow " ... success [however it's measured and defined] to happen." 

Whether you stay or leave this board is up to you, but bear in mind that you're probably preaching to the choir. "Veterans" of the D3 scene -- players, coaches, faculty, administrators, and just plain fans -- have long been more than slightly aware of "the reality of this facet of DIII football."

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 02, 2005, 11:27:14 am
Mojo,

Coach Monos is a great example of how there are a lot of good coaches not being supported to win.  Coach Monos was let go back in 90's by LVC.  Coach Murray left avery successful program at Cortland because the new Administration at LVC promised him the world, when they couldn't deliver Coach Murray haeded back to Upstate NY.  Coach Silechia did what he could with what he had.  Coach Monos was contacted in 04 and asked what he needed to win at LVC...They must have delivered because he is inthe process turning the Dmen around with more staff, better facilities and an apparent committment by the people upstairs.

Another example is coach Dapp's career at Moravian.  He has both won and lost over periods of time as administrations have changed.  Presently a newer AD has renewed Moravian's recent success. 

Susquehanna was once one of the best(early 90's).  They are now possibly the worst team with the best facilities.  How does that happen if not by administrators?  Did their coaches forget how to coach.

The mighty Warriors of Lyco's demise might be recruits fearing G's retirement.  But I think their admissions and financial aid practices recently changed.

Juniata has prided itself on its sciences program not football.  Coach Burke turned it around for a year until everyone learned how to defend his offense.  Football is not a priority.

DVC had been horrible.  They started improving under Coach DiBennadetto.  Coach Mangus took it to the next level by recruiting everyone.  The school saw how football recruiting can help enrollment (70 extra students in class is huge) and has allowed him to recruit the players he needs.  Coach Mangus has always won when he had players(both at Widener and Ursinus).

Just a couple of examples of the influence of the other non athletic entities have on sports.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 02, 2005, 02:51:17 pm
upbrmeasap...I was at Saturdays game and enjoyed every minute..Next time come up and introduce yourself. we are at Middle right facing the field at the "50"

Mondaymorninga.m.QB.....All thnigs in life are not on an equal playing field also.  If you truely believe all of that crap you posted then maybe you should leave this board.  It is football season, so lets talk football, not academics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 02, 2005, 08:12:29 pm
First of all lets get some things staright.......

Del Val is one of the best comprehensive schools in the nation voted on by U.S. News (26th to be exact)

Also GA puts a lot of effort into the players academics( players have manditory study more than once a week, he reviews grades, and speak to teachers on a daily basis either in person or through email to make sure his kids are in class and are not behind)

Also GA gives out Academic Excellence Awards at the end of the season at the banquet, and in the past three years the number of awards have jumped drastically to a high where del val has never been--

Anyway--- hey for u guys that picked leb val over dvc this weekend----lol ;D
NICE PICKS LOL LOL LOL 
I still think its funnyyyy( Maybe next year )
So much for leb vals powerful offense

I said this b4, "Offense wins games, but defense wins championships"
The d cord is doing a great job at del val since joining the staff last year!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 02, 2005, 08:27:09 pm
when there is a d3womensvolleyball.com everyone at Juniata can puff their chests out with pride....until then we'll talk smack about academics!!!

Barring any upsets of DVC or a loss by Albright in the Pretzel Bowl, am I right in assuming this conference is going to decided when these two play? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 02, 2005, 10:07:32 pm
Splik:

I wouldn't look past Widener at Albright next week, though that may be the 'Pretzel Bowl.'  I could never figure out to which game that moniker applied.  I'd be interested in the story behind the name if anyone knows it.  Like me some pretzels. Yum.

Also, I think Albright/Wilkes will be an interesting test of styles as will King's/Widener.  I still think the Colonels (just one conference loss) and Monarchs will figure in this thing somehow before the season is done, even if it's just as a spoiler.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 02, 2005, 10:58:08 pm
bossman-
dvc is a high quality team, but every weekend an upset occurs somewhere, and what a better opportunity for lvc than to beat dvc. hopes were high, but they (lvc) did not play well enough to win.

what are the out looks for this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 03, 2005, 01:01:52 am
Dynasty07,

I'd say dvc wins easily this weekend.......

lol

but the following weekend they have a big game vs. albright
2 weeks for del val to prepare for the lions......plus get healthy!

Dynasty07 whos ur team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 03, 2005, 01:52:18 am
how about widener beatin up on moravian....go us....after we win out the next five games...the big show will be widener - dvc....

let me getta WU


by the way prothro can not be stop llok up his stats
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2005, 08:44:34 am
mondaya.m. qb pls go on your way there are plenty of other forums to discuss your meaningless drivel.....congrats to the aggies on another win. now the off week to prepare for albright which should be a great game!! I am more than psyched and should be in attendance for that one. I cant figure lyco out my sister is a graduate and cant figure it out as well. more or less most things in life are cyclical and they had a run for a loooong time at the top. may be there are a little like penn st. and didnt have some players in recruiting classes pan out and that creates a huge hole for 2-3 years and bad records. psu is finally just now starting to regain their footing after a couple of recruiting classes never added up to anything.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 09:37:28 am
I hope and pray for a one loss Widener vs an undefeated Del Val. UTT OHHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 03, 2005, 09:41:16 am
I was very impressed with what I watched in Chester this weekend. The freshmen is electric, and the offense is returning to form. I wish Prothro and Schmidt would have been healthy in week one. The pioneers also have a vey good D that held moravian in check most of the day despite missing four key players to injuries.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 03, 2005, 10:05:37 am
My first post stated that DVC is at on level the rest of the league another.  I did not intend this to be sarcasm.  (my outdated ivy league taunt from days prior to political correctness was meant to be the sarcasm, I missed the mark)  I do stand by my statement that DVC is playing football at a higher level than the rest of the league.  Coach Mangus and his staff are the main reason, they work their asses off teaching the game and keeping their players in check in the classroom and off the field, which is no easy job.

Everyone thinks I am preaching academics.  I am not, each school decides their own priorities.  I am just stating facts about the disparity among the schools in the MAC.  My main point is that football programs, successful or not, do not start and end in the locker room with the players and coaches.  

Warren- if entertaining useless banter about small college football makes one a "D3 veteran" I guess I am not one.  

If being a retired small college administrator and former athletic coach who now runs a successful consulting firm for small college student recruitment, retention and financial aid makes you "D3 Veteran" than I guess I am one.  Or at least the schools that hire my firm think so.

Maybe midseason is the wrong time for this subject matter, sorry.

I guess there was a reason I have read this forum for so long and never contributed.

Everyone continue with your fun...I am forever gone!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 03, 2005, 10:35:35 am
Monday
Relax...we blasted you because your post looked like many that have been posted in this room before...derogatory and juvenile...by posters that do that and leave...

That has made this board overly sensitive to that stuff...

You clarified your point and made some good others... no use in banning yourself...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 03, 2005, 10:37:16 am
the pretzel bowl is sponsored by the Shriners.  I'm pretty sure it is part of a big charity event for them in Reading.  I did not notice that Widener had beaten Moravian so handily on Saturday, so there is definitely more than one test for all the league contenders.  Once again, parity rules the MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on October 03, 2005, 10:51:41 am
http://www.rajahshrine.org/events/pretzelbowl.htm

link to pretzel bowl info
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 03, 2005, 11:58:28 am
bossman,

i am partial to lvc, but see things with an open mind
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 12:14:02 pm
CJSJAGS:

Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 12:33:49 pm
upbrmeasap....I could not figure out the Lyco collapse either until I was asked about a rumor.and we all know about rumors. I was enlightened that a lot of the players from Lyco left the team as a result of the loss to DVC? I cannot substaniate this or say anything more but it is only a "Rumor" and nothing else. Some losses are tougher than others granted, but a lot of things were mentioned, including this is is the 3rd loss to DVC in as many years and the pink locker room thing.  Only a rumor guys and even hate posting this. I hope things work out for Lyco and their staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 12:45:08 pm
Lyco has a pink locker room for visitors?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2005, 01:31:21 pm
interesting billman, my guess is we need someone like simba or someone else closely affilated with the lyco program to answer that question. that would be interesting if it were true and granted its only speculation and rumor at this point. but also i will say when a program falls on hard times there always seem to be lots of rumors and false information posted. so hopefully someone close to lyco can shed some light on whats going on up in williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:17:15 pm
How did a kid from otterbein hold the previous punt return yardage record at 227 when Billy Johnson had 265 against St. Johns (NY) ? interesting
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 03:23:48 pm
Not really all that interesting. That game was in 1972, before Division III was formed.

It is, however, the Division II record.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:34:07 pm
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/team/pr.html  ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:35:42 pm
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/   

dude, it says so on your own site
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 03:36:08 pm
Dude, not in 1972! Read more closely, please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:41:06 pm
ok, you win. But he's still better than both of this kids combined !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on October 03, 2005, 03:43:17 pm
im a lyco fan but haven't heard of anyone from the team quiting after the dvc loss though it wouldn't suprise me...last year i was alot closer to the team and had heard numerous stories of dissent among the team against the coaching staff...along with certain politics of the coaching staff was playing favorite instead of playing the people that would get the job done....i do know that there were some key injuries to lyco during the widener game and that had affected their effectiveness....the boys in blue and gold haven't had it for the past years and the talent on the bench hasn't even been tapped....coach g has gotta realize when to start workin down the line instead of just hoping a better outcome will happen next weekend....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 04:01:49 pm
I hate Lycoming
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 03, 2005, 06:25:25 pm
The Pretzel Bowl used to, back in the day, involve Albright and Lebanon Valley. LVC has some of the trophies - they're brass bowls with metal pretzel handles. One of the more unique trophies I've seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 03, 2005, 07:25:35 pm
Widener had a pink visitors locker room also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 08:49:24 pm
Chum Slam...Tell us how you REALLY FEEL, cmon dont sugar coat it!!!

Swimma...Thanks for some of the insight. Would really hate to see a good program collapse like that.  FDU is a good team that is coming along but I guess it was just a bad day for Lyco???

Gordo...Again I hate posting stuff I dont know first hand. I heard after the loss to DVC in 2003 that the players??? or someone painted Lycos locker room pink until they beat DVC again. Again I dont know this first hand but that is what I heard...can anyone out there substantiate this or shoud I just dry up and blow away???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 08:53:12 pm
Pat Coleman...Give me a history lesson here please...when was DIII formed and why??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 09:31:40 pm
Ha.  That's interesting, particularly in light of the "controversy" associated with Iowa's pink visiting locker room.  I didn't know it existed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 03, 2005, 11:46:16 pm
If the LYCO rumor is true, it comes as a shock.  I find it hard to believe that G could lose control of the program.  Coach G and his staff have historically been a great group of coachs.  When my son was at LYCO, G and his staff had complete control of the program and were a class act.  If anyone can bring fact to the forefront, concerning this issue,  it would be most appreciated.  If true, the dynamics of this program have drastically changed, and will have long term effect on the Warrior program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 04, 2005, 07:44:20 am
Word from the inside of Lyco last year was that things were spinning a bit out of control...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 04, 2005, 08:07:02 am
Lycoming is done.  Great ride, its over.

The MAC title will go thru DVC, Widener, and Albright.  Mark my words.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Johnny PA on October 04, 2005, 08:57:41 am
What is going on this year?  Susquehanna winless in the MAC.  Lyco suffering.  Juniata 0 for the season.  King's only 2-3.  What is the deal at these schools?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2005, 09:08:53 am
Johnny PA:

Good question. Obviously something has happened (by natural selection, the whimsical intervention of the football gods, human action, human error ... who knows?).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 04, 2005, 10:18:38 am
Great matchup this Saturday Widener/Albright....any predictions??

Widener 24   Albright  20

Warren...I think Lyco really pissed off the football gods somewhere along the way.  Dont let anyone tell you different Wilks is a tought team, their record just dosent reflect it.  Juniata changed head coaches 2 years ago and it has been on the slide ever since.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on October 04, 2005, 10:43:04 am
a lot of teams are struggling like susquehana and lyco.  i think the reasons thats happening is one they arent getting the kids they used to and i think the rest of the schools are getting better recruiting classes. 

as for juniata i wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-10. 

fdu beating lyco did surprise me a bit but then again fdu is always tough even when they were cellar dwellars they always gave the top teams a run for their money especially if you left them hanging around late in the game.

i think kings college is a heck of a better team than 2-3.  they completely dismantled susquehana this weekend 56-0.  that offense did what it wanted when it wanted.  kings is no rollover and will give widener, wilkes, and del val a tough game.  i could see kings winning out the rest of the season.

as for this weekend the big match up is albright at widener.  i think this will be a another dog fight. 

predictions straight from the Snake Parlor.

Wilkes 34 Lyco 12
Susquehana 14 Juniata 0
Leb Val 28 FDU 21
Albright 30 Widener 21
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Johnny PA on October 04, 2005, 01:55:08 pm
My stab at it:

Wilkes 35 Lyco 14
Juniata 24 Susquehana 21 
FDU 28 Leb Val 17
Albright 49 Widener 35 (good ol' shootout)   

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2005, 03:02:26 pm
ATTN: FDU fans ...

Predicted weather for Annville on Saturday: 40% chance of morning showers and a balmy 57F.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 04, 2005, 04:16:23 pm
The FDU game at Leb Val this week reminded me of this -

By the way, this is NOT a knock on Leb Val, but I wonder how Leb Val is consistantly picked by the coaches ( coaches poll)  to finish ahead of FDU, when FDU has beaten Leb Val in 3 of the last 4 meetings...
Oh well, I guess that's why the play the games  ;)

Here's hoping for a healthy weekend for all teams!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 04, 2005, 04:25:49 pm
where is wuline with a preview of the wu/albright game this weekend it is a huge game for both teams...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 04, 2005, 04:37:55 pm
I am as mystified as anyone posting here about the demise of Lycoming's football program, particularly in such a short time.  However, I will be on campus later this week and as I serve on the Alumni Board I will ask some pointed questions.  Losing football games is understandable, losing your perspective is not, to wit, the rumor regarding the visitors' locker room color among other things.  Stand by.

As for counting Lycoming out for the long run, I should like to point out that no Major League Baseball team ever came back from a 3-0 deficit until the Red Sox did it last year - and I am a Yankee fan.   

In the meantime, Go Warriors.  Simba - we will be at registration in Burchfield Lounge on Saturday morning. 

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 04, 2005, 08:29:08 pm
I don't necessarily think that Lyco has taken a step back, but perhaps a lot of other teams have stepped it up.  I played at Lyco my freshman year (2000) before transferring to LVC.  That was the year of the 50-49 loss at Widener and the 16-14 loss to Susquehanna.  A lot of times the offensive and defensive lines were so much superior to their counterparts at other schools that we could run pretty much at will while almost completely shutting down the other team's rushing attack.  I was mostly involved with the Scout offense as a freshman.  When we ran 7 on 7 against the defense, I was throwing against 2 All-Conference Safeties and a corner that played in the Aztec Bowl.

When I transferred, I noticed right away that Lyco simply had bigger, faster, and stronger players across the board compared to the players at LVC.  I think this was true of a lot of other teams compared to Lyco-  With maybe 2 or 3 exceptions, no one who started for LVC when I got there would have started at Lyco.  My senior year we did not play Lyco ( I think we missed one MAC team every year because we always played a non-conference game).  But by that time, other teams seemed to be able to match up physically to Lyco. 

I'm not sure how much sense this makes, but I am pretty confused myself by this sudden slide by Lyco. 

Best of luck this weekend LVC.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 05, 2005, 08:14:21 am
There are too many factors going against Lyco now.. It just isnt the same as 10 yrs ago...

The Philly suburbs have the cash to pay for a private university education.. Lyco is 3+ hours from there..

Albright & Del Val have both stepped up the wins... Keeping more local kids home..

Widener has always been Widener (usually have a good team), so now even more Philly kids are staying home..

Now Lyco has 2nd rate facilities in the conference.  They are now the school trying to "keep up with the Jones'..."

I keep reading all these posts about money and financial aid, etc.  Scranton and Williamsport arent exactly the most affluent areas in PA.  D3 football is a rich kid or a poor kid with grades game.

If I were Girardi, I would start beating up Pittsburgh to pull kids away from W&J.

Nice ride for Lyco, it's over.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 05, 2005, 07:27:53 pm
Don Hansen's predictions for this week:

DVC , King's & Moravian all have Bye's this week.

FDU 27
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 05, 2005, 07:32:30 pm
Oops!  sorry about that, hit post instead of tab. :o

DVC, King's & Moravian all have bye's this week

FDU         27            Leb Val  13
Susq       27            Juniata  21
Widener  35           Albright  28
Wilkes     35           Lyco       14

I agree with these predictions although I think the Widener / Albright game might be higher in scoring.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 05, 2005, 09:42:23 pm
Things may be different than they were ten years ago for Lycoming but I wish to note that they won the MAC and reached the quarter finals of the NCAA in 2003 before losing to Bridgewater.  In fact, it is just as likely they would have triumphed in that game had it not been for the tragic, and untimely, death of Ricky Lanetti.  Therefore reasons of financial aid, local and regional prosperity, second-rate facilities, and students wishing to stay closer to home, a.k.a. - Philly are a canard and are inadequate explanations for the poor showing the last two years.  Also, I think Pittsburgh is as long a drive as Philly for recruits.  Additionally, higher education research indicates that the average college student will not travel more than 500 miles to attend school, a distance that encompasses most, if not all of NJ and certainly Philly.  It may be over for Lycoming or not, but the reasons cited in a previous posting are not sufficiently credible especially given the fall-off in performance that has been so abrupt and recent.  There must be other factors not immediately apparent.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 05, 2005, 10:39:38 pm
If money, location, and facilities are not the reason for Lycoming's demise... Could it be that the coaching staff there cant coach their way out of a paper bag?

Shoot, if Lyco is so talented because they were in the playoffs a couple years ago, surely the roster is loaded... Must be the coaches..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 10:37:57 am
Widener 44 Albright 36
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 11:43:54 am
Chum Slam...I dont see a larger scoring affair. I think both "D's" keeping it down.  Maybe a 24-21 game???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 11:53:52 am
Maybe its just me but defenzive battles in the MAC are usually 7 - 0 or 45 - 54 haha. Im going with the latter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bruins26 on October 06, 2005, 12:31:03 pm
I've been a part of the MAC conference for 9 years now as both a player and coach. I've seen the trends over the years and guarantee Lycoming will not stay down for long. As for team like Juniata and Susquehanna, I remember a time when the Crusaders were the most physical team in the conference. They ran the wing t with Matt W. and Rashown D. They had a 62-61 shutout with Juniata in 1998. One the greatest MAC games ever. Juniata had there fair share of studs featuring all americans Chad Zaring and Matt Eisenburg. They went something like 18 years straight with at least one all conference DB. Mark D. lead all divisions with 15 picks back in the late 80's. Go Eagles
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 06, 2005, 01:48:10 pm
This weeks predictions
Leb Val 24 - Fdu 21
Susq 27 - Juniata 24
Wilkes 35 - Lyco 28
Wu 35 - Albright 24

As for a preview of the WU/ Albright game that will be coming soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 02:01:36 pm
Matt Eisenberg was one of the best receivers to ever come out of the MAC. I say 4th maybe 5th best ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 02:46:03 pm
Weather Alert ...

NWS has just issued a flood watch from Friday afternoon through Saturday for the central portions of Pennsylvania. 2-3 inches of rain are predicted, with some areas receiving up to 5 inches.

Looks as if a number of MAC games will be affected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 03:07:55 pm
Warren...."And the hits just keep on coming"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 03:11:10 pm
For a map of the watch area, go to the URL below. Note that parts of New Jersey may also be affected.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/ctp/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 03:13:08 pm
Who'd I hit now, Billman?  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 07:26:06 pm
Warren...you didnt hit anyone...it is just an expression from some of the radio jocks who play oldies....just a little bad news weather wise thats all. We seem to have run into a lot of people here with thin skin lately....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 07:31:08 pm
Billman:

Oh, what a relief! I actually thought I'd bashed someone with my one-speed tricycle.  :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 06, 2005, 08:59:06 pm
i mostly see peole picking widener to beat albright.....good......  it will be an off. shootout but widener has proven that they can win.....albright is undefeated and they were last year also when we beat them....  albright has had too many close calls......their time is up....

wu 35  au  10    (red zone stops)

let me getta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 06, 2005, 10:03:05 pm
I predict that LVC will win every MAC game this weekend by a score of 3-0 :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 10:30:38 pm
Bman:

Again with the picks inspired by your Amish neighbor?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 07, 2005, 08:30:33 am
weather forecasts keep getting worse and looks like it will definetly affect games this weekend. i would like to see albright/wu on a dry field and not  mud bog but such is life and you play it where it lies....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 07, 2005, 08:44:37 am
Yeah, bman can tell you how well Widener has been known to play in wind, rain, and mud.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 07, 2005, 10:40:59 am
Warren

Right from the elder's mouth :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 10:43:26 am
Albright is a solid team, and we all know that Port is an excellent QB. However I do not think that he has the same weapons he has had in the past. The WU offense has really started to click with the healthy return of Schmit, and Prothro. It is also my understanding that the WU D has also started to get a number of healthy starters back.As for the weather I think we need to remember that the game will be played on turf so mud will not be a factor. If it becomes a running game I think the pioneers still hold the edge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 07, 2005, 10:47:35 am
Picks for the week

WU 28          Albright 14 (ok I'm a homer...but the rushing attack will be a factor   if  the weather gets bad...)
Lycoming 21 Wilkes 20 (just a hunch)
Leb Val 3  FDU 0  ;D
Susq 26    Juniata 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 07, 2005, 10:48:24 am
mud bowls this weekend, reminiscent of last year... the beauty
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 07, 2005, 11:01:17 am
mud bowls this weekend, reminiscent of last year... the beauty

Not unless you are playing on the beautiful new surface at Shirk Stadium...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on October 07, 2005, 11:59:00 am
i see everyone picking widener to beat albright.  well i'll be loner here and say albright just doesn't beat widener but they beat them convincinly. 

albright 42 widener 21

prediction straight from the Snake Parlor.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bruins26 on October 07, 2005, 12:14:42 pm
Albright will beat Widener on Saturday. Both teams have explosive offenses and much improved defenses. One aspect of the game you can't account for is heart. The Lions have been down early this season and the players seem to believe in each other and fight back to win. Widener has not had to do that this season. They were down to Wilkes and couldn't get anything going. The same will happen this weekend at Shirk Stadium.

Albright 35
Widener 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:13:11 pm
Bruins 26
WU lost to Wilkes playing without many key players. That is why they could not get anything going . WU actually trailed Leb Val at the Half 16-7 and fought back to win a tight game. WU also had to fight hard to beat Moravian last week. I do not think that you should question the Pioneers heart. You should be more concerned about why Albright has trailed every game at the half and struggled to comeback against so so competition. If the get down early against better better teams they might not get a chance to get back in it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:17:56 pm
Snake Man
there is know way that Albright puts a 40 spot on the WU D. Are you familiar with the weather report.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 07, 2005, 01:30:31 pm
no way albright wins, they are struggling and wu is a solid team. fdu lvc game is going to be intense both teams need a win, valley will get it. its gonna be a mudder in annville, its been raining all day today and there are no signs of it letting up anytime soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:45:39 pm
The weather should help LVC out. They have a very talanted group of runners and kelly is an excellent running QB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 07, 2005, 02:04:27 pm
it is weird looking at teams coming off the field with no mud stains on their jersey after playing on field turf.  I dont think Albright will double up Widener like Snake Parlor says but I'm picking them in a tight, rainy game in Reading.
Juniata wins the goal post tropy3-2 in extra innings this weekend. 
Wilkes sneaks past Lycoming.
FDU falls into the "trap" game against LVC.  LVC 4 - FDU 3, LVC D gets a walkoff safety to win the game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 07, 2005, 02:27:32 pm
As long as Woody (Napolean) is coaching Widener there will never, NEVER be a lack of heart on that team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 07, 2005, 10:56:28 pm
“Our kids don’t feel good about this at all,” Girardi said. “Any time a game like this happens you want to play the very next day. I can see it in them. I think they are going to give a good account of themselves. I really do.”
    Baltz, a three-year starter and one of four captains, said the Warriors want to show members of past championship teams that they aren’t as bad as their record or last week’s result indicates. Lycoming has won 13 Middle Atlantic Conference titles and members of every championship team should be in attendance Saturday.
    “We want to show them that we can still play the same way that they did,” Baltz said. “We want to show them that we’re not dead yet.” (Williamsport Sun Gazette)

The Lyco football family of athletes will always be there to support the Warriors in both victory & defeat, unlike many of the past frontrunners who have posted on this board and have come & gone....The current group of frontrunners' longevity on this board, supporting their team, even in defeat, remains to be seen!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 07, 2005, 11:59:46 pm
THE FIGHTIN AMISH WILL BE VICTORIOUS THIS WEEKEND. 
SCHNELL DEUTCHMANN!  FOR THE DVC FANS, I'M Implying Go Dutchman!  (JUST KIDDING - SHOULD GET A RISE FROM SOMEONE)  FOR ALL TEAMS, WIN OR LOSE, LETS HOPE ALL THESE KIDS STAY HEALTHY.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on October 08, 2005, 01:38:00 pm
Abrigt/Widener game being televised again for those interested...go to Albright.edu to get your local comcast station.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 02:19:36 pm
At the half ...

LVC 29, FDU 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 08, 2005, 02:27:02 pm
A possible blowout in the making.  Mein Deutchmann 28 - FDU 7.  HOLY SCHMOLY! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 03:11:12 pm
With 2.22 left, third quarter...

LVC 43, FDU 15
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 03:39:09 pm
FINAL ...

LVC 43, FDU 15
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on October 08, 2005, 04:31:17 pm
Final
 

      Widener  33
       Albright  19
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 08, 2005, 05:00:50 pm
Great win for LVC today.  We really needed that one.  ALthough all I saw was the score, it sounds like LVC dominated FDU.  I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wish we had Lyco on the schedule this year-it looks like it might be an easy W, given the fact that FDU smoked them last week, and LVC hammered FDU today. 

Congrats also to Widener for the big win over Albright. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 08, 2005, 06:19:58 pm
LVCALUM....Lycoming will NEVER be an easy"W"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 08, 2005, 06:45:21 pm
Check your schedule...I just printed off your post for the bulletin board LVCALUM....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 08, 2005, 08:42:02 pm
What position will the bulletin board play for Lyco?  Or maybe the bulletin board could coach???

Lyco is done.  Those kids are gonna pack it in just like they did last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 08, 2005, 08:51:24 pm
So, what's the story with LYCO.  Why such a sudden demise?  Simba, I am both a LYCO and LVC fan.  I think LVC will take LYCO to the woodshed this year. I am making this statement assuming both squads are healthy when meeting.  Who would have ever imagined this possibility even two years ago.  How does a team go from the top to near bottom in such a short period of time.  I find it hard to believe it is a coaching issue.  Has the recruiting spigot been turned off?  Could not get up for homecoming.  I would be interested in your comments concerning this issue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 08, 2005, 10:39:27 pm
How Cool!  Got to watch the Albright / Widener game on TV.  Going stir crazy, my team on a bye week.  Albright's new stadium / turf looked awesome.  I thought the lions might pull it out again but alas, out of time.  The LVC / FDU game sounds like it was a mudbath...as I'm sure they all were for those who play on grass.  I must say it was kind of weird watching the Albright / Widener game being played in pouring down rain and no mud on the uniforms.  The Lyco / Wilkes game sounded like a nailbiter.  Shame that Lyco couldn't get this win.  They certainly gave it some "oomph" the 2nd half but again, alas, out of time.

Good luck to all the teams next week!   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 08, 2005, 11:34:27 pm
Simba, guess I should have checked LVC's schedule before I made my post. Not to worry, however--Lyco is on it  :).  Do you really need to display stuff from this message board on your bulletin board to get the team pumped up?  If so, that says more than anything I could post here.  Maybe the Warriors should be thinking about playing the games, not what some guy on a web site says about them. 

Do you have room on your bulletin board for this one too??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 09, 2005, 10:14:04 am
Simba,
Have things gotten so bad at LYCO that you have to post messages from this board. to try to pump these guys up.  If this is the case, it appears the program is inept and steadily spiraling downward in a crash and burn mode.  I don't understand how a program, historically of superb caliber, can go down the tubes so quickly.  If this trend continues, how long will it be before LYCO becomes a doormat team?  Regardless of what posters claim, I feel LYCO is well coached ie: Coach G & Coach Weiser, and the facilities, although not the best in the MAC, certainly adequate.  Again, as posted previosly, what is happening?
                                                                          Mojo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 09, 2005, 11:58:30 am
the lvc fdu game was nothing but a mudder. lvc stuck it to fdu, and the score reflects just that. lvc had many kids with great days, frosh dave holland had over 180 yards rushing and some scores, dan kelly didnt have to do much this game, but still performed well and the d played great. if lvc continues this trend they might win out, a great offense and a d that found its persona again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 09, 2005, 02:05:03 pm
 ;D ;D ;D u heard it here first....widener wins the MAC...... ;D ;D ;D

what a game...widener still found a way to through the ball while port made mistakes...i dont see widener losing another game...maybe salisbury but probly not....game of the year widener - del val

let me gatta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 09, 2005, 03:22:22 pm
All of you are so wet behind the ears...There isn't any bulletin board...I live 2 hours away from Williamsport....I've been posting on this board since it's inception in '97...Earned the first 2 rings under "G" in the late 70's who by the way gave me the nickname "Simba" back then...Most everyone else on here and other football boards on d3.com that aren't frontrunners like all of you are know this....It's a figure of speech that any vet would recognize who played the game...Obviously none of you did...You're all so funny... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 03:23:59 pm
That's impressive. We didn't have a site until 1999. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 03:24:45 pm
But yes, I'll vouch for Simba being here from the beginning. Just glad that some of his fellow Lyco fans from that era have moved on. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 03:26:44 pm
Anyone here in the MAC hear anything about Susquehanna possibly joining the LL that they'd like to share. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 09, 2005, 03:27:47 pm
Getting old Pat...Just a great form of entertainment you run here..Better than watching and listening to drunks in a coal-region bar... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 03:35:36 pm
Apparently it was announced during the RPI webcast that the LL was going to or had extended an invitation to Susquehanna.  I assume that if these people are professional at all, an invitation would be a formality that would only occur after it had basically been negotiated. 

I don't know any more than that, so that is why I asked the question.  The LL is losing a member after this year.  They will still have enough for a pool A, but it probably makes more sense to have 8 teams, I guess.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 09, 2005, 08:14:47 pm
Simba, are you implying that LVC fans are front-runners ???  I think Warren might be the only one to remember their last MAC title...

I'm a little surprised about Susquehanna and the LL. Not that Susquehanna wants out - there've been rumors flying around for years that SU and one or two others (Juniata always seems to pop up, occasionally Moravian too) were ready to jump ship. I don't really see the gain SU gets in going to Liberty, though - at least on the surface in terms of travel. In terms of being with "peer schools" from an academic standpoint, I'd think it'd be break-even or a marginal gain at best. But then, the argument has always been that the MAC could stand to lose a team or two in football for scheduling purposes - but a loss in the other sports would throw the entire Commonwealth/Freedom alignment out of whack.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 09, 2005, 08:15:36 pm
Simba, I'm glad a Lyco insider like you could set the record straight about the bulletin board.  You know, the type of insider who lives two hours from Williamsport, hasn't been affiliated with the program since the late 70s, and threatens to post messages on a non-existent bulletin board (which, by the way, existed when I was at lyco).  Also, rest assured that I am a former player.

Not trying to get personal, but I really hate it when people erroneously imply that others don't know what they are talking about.

Best of luck to all teams this week, especially LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 09, 2005, 08:23:10 pm
Simba,

Did not see you at the game on Saturday - but we looked for you, especially during class photo ops.

To anyone interested:

Lycoming played a spirited second-half of football gaining nearly 300 yards of offense, almost all of it through the air.  Defense, again, stiffened shutting out Wilkes who posted a 17-0 half-time lead.  However, Lycoming committed ten penalties for 123 yards, often during critical moments of play.  These miscues proved crucial.  The final score was 17-14 and as time ran out the momentum was clearly moving in the Warriors favor.  I talked with many on campus, including coaches, players, faculty and students.  Everyone is mystified by the current won-loss record but I sense a determination resonate that last year's team did not possess.  I think it was reflected in the team's second-half effort.  

Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch.  I am hopeful that Lycoming will respond to the current challenge in ways similar to the teams in the early 90s, who were very erratic, before the 36-2 run of the teams of (1996-1999).

I am not sure what facilities some of you are referring to but the new gym, new recreation center, and stadium complex all seem pretty first-rate to me and are a substantive improvement from the time when Lycoming was the cream of the MAC.  Bottom line - football is played by football players who must make plays.  Those who consistenly do - win.

Sorry I missed you Simba.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 10, 2005, 12:57:11 am
Simba,
Ditto what LVCALUM stated.  What you implied wasn't quite accurate.  And for the record, I still think LVC will defeat LYCO when they play.  LYCO appears to not have the talent they have historically had in their program.  As with everything else in life, change is the one consistent constant.  As asked in previous posts, what do you perceive to be the problem at LYCO?  Is it strictly a recruiting issue?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 10, 2005, 10:35:52 am
I would not start with the Lycoming is dead chants yet.  The same thing was said about Penn State and look where they are now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 10, 2005, 11:28:05 am
LYCO IS DEAD ! ! ! ! ! ! when you get blown out by FDU, yea... youre dead.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2005, 11:42:44 am
>>>Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch. <<<<                                                            the problem for lyco is now they are on the receiving end of the blowouts!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 10, 2005, 03:51:27 pm
heres the thing, i would not go as far as to say lyco is dead, but they are slipping. they are not the team that they once were, so i think a change is needed, be it coaching, players, facilities whatever. they need to assess their present situation and figure out what the necessary moves needed are. I do agree with prior posts that DVC current success and other teams making moves towards the top hurts LYCO's recruiting from SE PA, but there are quality athelets from other areas as well as other states.

anywho, how is Wilkes, they seem to be a solid team once again, how does everyone feel LVC will fair against them?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 10, 2005, 07:31:53 pm
Dynasty,
Anybodys guess!  Pursuant to a LYCO poster claiming the Warriors had 300 yards of offense against Wilkes in the second half, mostly in the air, might give LVC an edge.  With that being said, Wilkes always seems to be big and extremely aggressive, which might give the Dutchmen problems.  Remember, Wilkes played DVC within 3 points, and everybody knows how good DVC is.  Also, DVC shut down LVC's offense, making the Kelly / Brossman duo ineffective.  My hopes are with the Dutchmen, but Wilkes concerns me.  Best wishes to LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 11, 2005, 12:18:07 pm
Any other Widener alums gonna be aat the game this weekend ? and what is your gameplan for homecoming?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 11, 2005, 12:42:19 pm
Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.  The other idea is to have Juniata flip to the Presidents Athletic Conference.  They would be the easternmost school in the conference, but still closer to many others (W&J, Grove City, Waynesburg, Thiel, new member Geneva) than they are to Del Val, Widener, King's, Wilkes.  But the PAC now has Thomas More which is a considerable haul...but that would only be every other year, as opposed to now. 

In other news...quote from today's Philadelphia Inquirer regarding the new opening at D1 (future Mid-America Conference school Temple)...

"Would Temple take a chance on a charismatic up-and-comer like G.A. Mangus, a former Florida Gators backup quarterback under Steve Spurrier who has somehow turned Delaware Valley into a local Division III powerhouse?"

Not a shock his name came up...just maybe surprised it came up that quickly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 11, 2005, 12:47:53 pm
Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.

When the Centennial became an all-sports conference (1992?), there was much talk about Moravian wanting to join.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 11, 2005, 01:23:43 pm
if you think people say Juniata is better than academically than most of their fellow conference members now, wait until they would join the president's conference.  I could see them joining the centennial way before joining the PAC.  also, since juniata is located almost in the geographical middle of the state saying the schools in western PA are closer than eastern PA does not necessarily work. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 11, 2005, 02:34:46 pm
Pat Cummings

I am sure G.A.s name came up quickly. I personally would hate to lose the guy but then again, that is the nature of coaching. Onward and upward.   I am sure he could turn that program around. Maybe not as fast as DVC but surelyin a year or three.  Although Temple has some excellent assistant coaches with great credentials, it all starts at the top.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2005, 02:58:31 pm
i agree billman. i would hate to lose him but you cant hold him back if he wants to coach a div I school at some point. dont know if he'll go i know he turned spurrier down this year to go coach at south carolina. either way he has put dvc back on the map football wise...(wrestling we have always been there....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2005, 04:36:46 pm
Chum

Chances for me are 50-50...

If I am able to go, I'll let you know.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 11, 2005, 04:55:20 pm
Yea shoot me an email and let me know. Ill be the drunk guy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 11, 2005, 08:48:24 pm
I was wondering when all the MAC membership talk would finally crop up, because the conference may very well look considerably different than it does now...
In response to some of the previous posts - Susquehanna won't be going to the Centennial. They were denied membership when they applied this past year. 
Moravian did want to go to the Centennial back when it split from the MAC, but at that time, they were denied. Obviously, they were accepted (alnog with Juniata) as a football only member this time around.
What will be interesting is to see how this plays out in the MAC. Will the other MAC teams allow JC and MC to leave in only football, or will the other schools show them the door altogether (which is what I think will happen)...
What will happen with the other schools? We'll see in a few months....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 11, 2005, 10:32:06 pm

Moravian did want to go to the Centennial back when it split from the MAC, but at that time, they were denied. Obviously, they were accepted (alnog with Juniata) as a football only member this time around.

Hey, wait a minute! "Obviously"? When did this happen?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2005, 10:57:08 pm
Warren

Just after we moved LVC to the NESCAC ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 12, 2005, 12:31:52 am
good try bman
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 07:52:43 am
Just after we moved LVC to the NESCAC ;D

Good idea, bman. This will add a touch of blue-collar, real-world earthiness to the rarified atmosphere of that bunch ....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 12, 2005, 08:15:25 am
Last time LVC joined a New England conference in a sport, I don't recall it ending so well...  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 09:45:23 am
I am sure Bill can provide more info on this than I can since he has an inside track. It is my understanding that Juniata, Moravian, Leb Val, and Susquehanna petitioned to leave the MAC for the Centennial. The main reason that they gave was an unfair ability to compete against teams of lower academic standards. I am told that they even offered four schools as examples. Guess which four? Lyco, Del Val, WU, and Albright. The Centennial only had room for two teams in football and choose Moravian and Juniatia. Hopefully the Presidents will choose to eliminate these teams from the MAC all together since they do not want to compete against such horrible academic institutions. The main problem arises in other sports such as Basketball were the MAC gets two automatic bids. I feel the MAC will allow them to stay in other sports and try to add two teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 10:01:48 am
First let me say once again that I feel GA is a good coach, recruiter, and motivator. However, I have serious concerns about what people are drinking in Doylestown. There has to be something in the water. That could be the only reason for Billman stating that GA could turn around the Temple program in a year or three. I don't think Lombardi himself could turn that program around in three years. As for upbrmeasap I would be amazed if the offer from Spurrier was truly turned down. If GA turned down a spot at SC to stay at Del Val he must have changed allot over the years from his days at WU. There are many local candidates that are far more qualified for job. How about these head coaches Keeler, Zwann, Bagnoli or Acorsci. All have been much more successful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 12, 2005, 10:03:49 am
I can not wait for Saturday, I havent been on the sidelines at a WU game since senior year 2002 ! woohooo !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 10:50:28 am
Chum
Security is tight in the new stadium. Good luck getting on the sidelines. I would recommend trying the far gate and screaming for AJ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 12, 2005, 11:13:06 am
Good old Art. He hates it when you call him that. I talked to Woody earlier this week, I wont have a problem getting down there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 12, 2005, 11:30:01 am
Regarding Homecoming this weekend, I highly doubt that I will be able to attend.  With work and my daughters birthday party, I will be pre-disposed.  Doesn't she know better to not have been born during homecoming weekend.  The nerve.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 12:23:22 pm
Wu

If she knew YOU were going to be her dad, she may have had 2nd thoughts.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 12, 2005, 12:30:26 pm
wudline i wouldnt say they are more qualified not even close....secondly why would most of the coaches you listed leave to become an asst coach when they are head coaches? the reason mangus was offered and am 99% sure its true is because mangus and spurrier have a long history. he played under spurrier and also coached with spurrier at florida. there is a comfort factor as well as already knowing the system and hit the ground running. mangus is flat out a great recruiter. i agree it would take more than 3 years to turn temple around i think for any coach including the rumored rick neuheisel. reasons for turning spurrier down only mangus would know but i think mangus wants to stay head coach and be able to call the shots. as well as having a family now and family in the area i think he wants a head coaching job not go back to being an asst. again. my guess is he would like to move up to a div II or div I-AA program in the eastern half of pennsylvania if possible and take his coaches with him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 12, 2005, 12:52:05 pm
What are the chances Lycoming gives Ithaca a run this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 12:58:03 pm
Upbrmeasap
My comments were not ment as a slight towards GA. I said that those coaches were more qualified than GA for the Temple position, which I stand by and beg anyone to try to argue.  As the move to Division II or I-AA  that may be a possability at some time. However, keep in mind it is very hard to take a staff with you to a higher level. All D II full timers  are union and there contracts run seperate from the Head Coaches. That is why Zwann could not take any full time guys to WC. It is also a hard sell to bring in an entire DIII staff at th DI-AA level. For instance,  Keller and Deleware. When GA makes that move, and he will, it will probably be by himself at first.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 12, 2005, 01:24:05 pm
sorry my bad i know you werent slighting ga... i am not sure who would take that position right now. it is just really tough to recruit for top notch players at temple if the person is any good you have psu, pitt, md and rest beating down the door and trying to convince a student to come to north philly is more than difficult. although it might help to get a local div II or div I-AA coach who has the contacts with the local h.s. coaches to aid the recruiting but even then its still a tough sell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 01:48:16 pm
bill & WUDLINE:

Are your surprising claims about some MAC defections to the Centennial factual?
Let us know, please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 02:08:57 pm
Yeah

Please let us know, as I have to figure out what I am going to do next with my lousy WU education. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 03:16:11 pm
Right, bman, and since I work for one of the venues allegedly denied entrance into the sanctified Centennial Conference, I want to start doing penance for my sins of association. # :-[

-------------------------------------

# And they are doubtless legion in number ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 12, 2005, 03:38:45 pm
Warren
All I can say is that it will all play out in the next month to 6 weeks.
Funny thing is, I hinted at this during the "academic" debate that went on here about 3 weeks ago, and no one picked up on it....
Anyway, the "rumor" (that I will neither confirm nor deny
 ;)
is that Moravian, Juniata, and Susqu. applied to the Centennial. M & J were accepted, but S was not. M&J could go to the Centennial as football only members. The question is, will the rest of the MAC allow this, and what will everyone else do in response....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 03:49:28 pm
Thanks, bill. If I were the MAC powers-that-be, I'd let them jump ship, but only if they jumped all the way -- none of this "football-only" bull****.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 05:10:01 pm
Warren

Careful, the elders in my area, may mite you for that language (but I won't) :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 05:16:38 pm
OK, bman, I take your point.

However, shouldn't your local Amish plain folk be very familiar with all varieties of animal by-products, whether taurine, bovine, equine, or porcine? Kindly advise ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 12, 2005, 07:00:45 pm
bombers handle lyco with ease.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 12, 2005, 07:08:10 pm
techmo -
 ( here's my 2 cents, plink - plink)  Seeing how Lyco is struggling this year, I think they're going to get spanked by Ithaca.  I'd love to see Lyco give them a run for their money but, right now, I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 12, 2005, 07:32:49 pm
Don Hansen's predictions for this weeks games:

(#8) Ithaca  over  Lyco                    42-7
(#9) DVC     over  Albright               35-14
(#38) Widener over Susquehanna      42-7
         King's  over  Juniata                24-7
         Wilkes  over  LVC                    28-21

.....and I must be completely blind or Don did not list the prediction for the FDU - Moravian game.  I think we're going to have some mud fests this weekend for the teams playing on grass.....bring your hip boots!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 12, 2005, 07:43:44 pm
FYI
Both FDU and Moravian are working hard to get their artificial surfaces ready for this weekend. Because of the 11-15 inches of rain we've both had, both schools have had storm drains collapse either under or next to their fields....I think FDU's will be playable by Sat, though...I can't speak for Moravian.
Hope everyone has a safe weekend (no injuries)!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2005, 07:59:42 pm
Not all D-II full-timers are union positions. The Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference schools' coaches are and it's possible they are at some other state schools, but it is not a characteristic of Division II as a whole.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 08:02:48 pm
Warren

Just kidding you...but to reply...maily bovine...some equine and taurine ...no porcine that I know of...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 08:32:57 pm
Pat- Sorry  I should have made myself clearer I was only speaking of the PSAC.

Warren - I think Bill explained the MAC situation pretty well. 

Bman- I wish they would have told us WU was such a horrible academic university before we spent all of that money on our degrees.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 10:37:26 pm
Dline

Personally I'm sick about it.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 12, 2005, 10:59:52 pm
Last year I put together "Aggie Football Recaps" which provide approximately 5-minute audio stories of Delaware Valley games.

While some technical issues at SportsJuice.com prevented me from posting those this year, it looks like we're ready to roll 'em out again.

So if you're feeling a need to recap the Lycoming or Moravian games, they are posted here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).  I try to add highlights from both teams unless the game is prohibitively lopsided.  So Lyco and Moravian fans can hear their highlights and just turn the rest off if they want. :)

I'll add the other games as time moves along.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:03:11 am
4man

I think Don Hansens' picks look fairly accurate with the exception of DVC/Albright.  After the pregame warm ups and after the 1st quarter, it will turn into another quadmire like last year against Juniata and the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan.  The following week DVC is away but the field will be ruined. Just another good argument for "Turf".  However I feel that this game will be low scoring  say like 17-10??

GO AGGIES!!!







Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:06:10 am
Gordo...will you guys be making another CD like the one from last year??  That one was great!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:33:55 am
Pat Coleman

I received pictures from Josh Bowerman...excellent quality and value...please pass this along to him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 13, 2005, 12:45:45 pm
I read over all of the posts concerning the possible defections of MAC schools to other leagues with great interest.  Whether motivated by a desire to be part of a more prestigious conference or be part of a less challenging football conference, I think that it makes more sense for those teams to remain in the MAC.  I was curious as to what other posters thought about the following idea.

First, I thought  about the possibility of splitting the conference into 2 divisions.  I recall that the MAC used to be comprised of two leagues, Commonwealth and Freedom.  Back then, it seemed that the more northern institutions were grouped in the Freedom while the southern institutions were part of the Commonwealth.  Each league selected its own all-star teams, and crowned division champions.  However, the conference, as it does today, received only one automatic bid to the NCAA playoffs which was awarded to the overall champion based on record, with various tiebreakers used.

I was thinking that perhaps more traditionally powerful teams, with arguably lower academic standards, could be placed into one division, with traditionally weaker teams with arguably higher academic standards could be placed into the other division.  Since (I think) there are currently 11 members in the MAC that play football, it would be nice to add one more team to make 2 divisions of 6.  Even if the MAC couldn't pick up another team, make one division have 6 teams and the other have 5 teams.  So, if you are in the 6 team division, you would play a total of 5 "division games," two inter-division games (which could rotate year by year) and two non-conference games.  Same for the 5 team division, except each team would have to pick up an extra non-conference game.  Have the winners of the two leagues play each other in a conference championship game at the end of the year (a la the Big 12 in D-1 football), with the winner getting the conference's automatic bid.

Proposed Membership:

Division 1

Lyco
Widener
Kings
Wilkes
DVC
Albright

Division 2

LVC
FDU
Juniata
Susquehanna
Moravian

Benefits of this setup:  More non-conference games, something the MAC is always slighted on.  This would increase the chances of getting an at-large bid out of the MAC, assuming good performance. Games would theoretically be more competitive.  All teams would have something to play for (separate division championships, all-stars, etc.).  There would be a prestige to get into and stay in the better football division.   
 
Weaknesses of this setup:  Historical performance can be an unpredictable indicator of present and future performance.  Cases in point are DVC and Lyco.  It would be difficult to place teams into leagues in this manner.  However, we could go on historical performance to start, and have a reshuffling every so often (3-4 years) where cumulative records are compiled and teams are assigned to divisions.  It also seems unfair to have a team from the weaker division get a shot at the stronger champion in a winner take all playoff game.

Anyways, I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks.  My proposed membership is not intended to be a slight at any particular school in any way.  There were several teams that seemed to have gone either way. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2005, 01:10:02 pm
Billman:

Yes, I hope to do so along with the game broadcasts as before.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2005, 01:19:20 pm
Have the winners of the two leagues play each other in a conference championship game at the end of the year (a la the Big 12 in D-1 football), with the winner getting the conference's automatic bid.

You can do that but it would count against your 10 games. You only get an 11th contest for your title game if you have 12 teams in the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 03:13:27 pm
LVCALUM....What is so wrong with it the way it is now set up.  I havent read all of your other posts...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 03:15:02 pm
Gordo...thanks for the update.

LVCALUM....At a quick glance , it looks like you are back on the Academic thing again!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 13, 2005, 04:21:40 pm
I am not sure what all the buzz is about concerning petitions to change leagues particularly as it allegedly relates to academic standards and football prowess.  However, if it isn't broke why fix it?

Additionally, for those of you, and you seem to be legion, who are eager to pronounce Lycoming dead and washed-up, I only want to point out one very telling fact.  And as we all know, facts are stubborn things.

That fact is this - since 1983 - when the MAC was last realigned - Lycoming is the winningest program - bar none.  Here are the facts:

Lycoming:  153-34-3 .813
Widener:   146-54-1 .715
Susq:         122-66-1 .648
Moravian:  114-76-2 .599

Note - Susquehanna - an alleged academic powerhouse - also managed a healthy won-loss record.  So why the move?  I am sure some of you will be eager to point out this is past performance and not necessarily an indicator of future results.  Granted.  However, if this were a mutual fund, where would your money be, on Lycoming with a career victory return of .813 or DVC at .370 or LVC at .263? 

Last year was the first non-winning season for Lycoming in 30 years!  One disappointing data point and this season appears to be more of the same.  Okay, two data points and now we have a line.  I saw a great deal of heart on Saturday and a good bit of talent when I was at David Person field for the Wilkes loss.  Furthermore, I did not claim the Warriors had 300 yards offense - I quoted from the Williamsport Sun Gazette what was listed in the game stat sheet.  Regardless, if Lycoming has not been, the class football program for the MAC in recent years, it has certainly been in the elite few.  All this trash talking does not square with the facts, and frankly, it is wearisome and unfounded, despite current outcomes. 

Until another program can find a way to generate the sustained successful output of the Warriors it will all just be smack. 

My hat is truly off to the newcomers to the top of the standings.  Competition is what makes our country keen.  Sustained superior performance is what is truly remarkable not just an abrupt turn around of a program followed by coach(es) who pad their resume and then move on and up the D coaching ladder.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2005, 04:27:44 pm
>>>However, if this were a mutual fund, where would your money be<<<    I can guarantee you I would be shorting lyco!!! they are falling quicker than tyco....point of interest how does dvc's winning percentage the last 3 years compare to lyco's?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 13, 2005, 06:07:31 pm
Upset Special!!!!!!

Delaware Valley will go down this weekend for two reasons.

1.  They are slightly overrated, I say 18th in the Nation not top 10
2.  I am still slightly bitter at the Fisher game in the playoffs last year, I can admit it  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 13, 2005, 06:29:31 pm
Fellow Posters,
I feel LCCALUM, brings some good ideas to the forefront.  The question that must be asked, pursuant to posters who claim,"if it ain't broke, don't fix it", is why are certain programs entertaining leaving the MAC.  Is it because they feel they can't field a competitive team?  If you're competing in a league where there is recruiting parity, you will certainly increase your odds for success.  For those posters living in LALA land thinking there is academic paridy within the MAC, you are misinformed.  You know and I know there are programs in the MAC that have players that would not be accepted at some of the other MAC schools.  Albeit, these are individual school decisions that substantially effect their ability to recruit the best athletes.  A school that accepts marginal students vs a school that doesn't, has a distinct advantage on a Saturday afternoon.  The proposal LVCALUM is bringing to the forefront, would certainly level the playing field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 13, 2005, 06:34:54 pm
Pat,

All the more reason to try to pick up a 12th team.  Any possibilities?

Billman56,

The reason I made my post was because of all the posts I had read indicating that up to 4 schools had applied for membership in other conferences.  I think the sudden departure of more than 1/3 of the MAC's football playing institutions would be a serious blow to the conference, even if those schools were not historically successful in terms of wins and losses.  Besides, it's a Middle Atlantic Conference discussion board, and I was discussing the Middle Atlantic Conference.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 13, 2005, 06:49:08 pm
Bman,

My pop is on his way down for the Widener homecoming festivities tommorrow. I think there will be a nice contingent of PMC grads on campus.

Who's the favorite on Saturday?  Are you doing any of the homecoming stuff on Friday and Sat?  Maybe you'll run into him and my Mom.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 13, 2005, 08:38:32 pm
Guys
I could go on for quite some time about this one, but here it goes -
1. Most of these league discussions about who belongs with who in what league go on at the presidential level, not at the coach or even AD level. In fact, that's why the first version of the MAC football was set up the way it was. It had absoultely nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with whose president didn't like who.
Moravian was angry that they didn't leave (get in) to the centennial. The former presidents of Widener and Susquehanna thought that they were above everyone else, and didn't want to be associated with the likes of a DVC, Upsala, Wilkes, and FDU. They also didn't like Lycoming for a number of reasons (including getting beat often), and put the ridiculous combination of Upsala, DVC, FDU, Kings, Wilkes, and Lyco in the same football conference. (Ridiculous by geography , that is)
2. I know this is a DIII football site, but there are other sports out there. It upsets other schools when teams in the conference throw ALL of their resources into one or two sports, and can barely field teams in the other 14-16 sports. That's another reason why schools get upset with each other....
Gotta run
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 14, 2005, 01:25:28 am
Before I forget to remember...

You can catch the dueling QBs on Saturday as John Port and the Lions look to get back on track against Adam Knoblauch and the Aggies.

Pregame begins at 12:30 PM with kickoff at 1 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Also, for those who care (and those who don't), the Aggies recap of the FDU-Florham game is posted on the team site here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 08:28:41 am
game face on for albright!!!   GO AGGIES!!!!       No more coming out of the gate slow its time to step up and lay the lumber to them and drop 21 pts. on them in the 1st qtr and put the game away early!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 09:25:23 am
Lyco 80
I certianly will argue that the program at WU has generated a much successful output as your Warriors. Even the bad years at WU have not been like the back to back seasons in Williamsport. I will agree with your point about it being early to throw it in. Coach G is an excellent coach and will eventually right the ship. Hopefully for your sake it will be sooner and not later.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 09:36:02 am
Once again, I HATE LYCOMING ! also DVC is not a top 10 team. Their record might be a top 10 record but if you matched them up against any of the top 10 teams in the country they would be dismantled. We saw what happened last year when they played a decent team in Rowan. Not pretty. and once again, I HATE LYCOMING.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 09:42:36 am
chum slam thats why its decided on the field and we will see if dvc makes it into the final 10 period....that simple and obviously they are the class of the mac and you may not like it but facts is facts.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:15:16 am
Right now they are the class of a tough MAC. Not for long though, they do not have the talent to stay at the top for long. I wish them all the luck in the world IF they make the playoffs. Like last year I will be at their playoff games rooting for them.


On a lighter note....LYCOMING SUCKS !!!!!!!  ahahahahaha Take your junk school and junk town and just burn it to the ground.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 10:19:55 am
MoJo: That's just stupid! That's the excuse Notre Dame used and look at them now? Seems like it just takes the right coach to me!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 10:37:34 am
MaAggie,

     I dislike Charlie Weiss with a passion.  I don't think he will keep winning, you heard it here first Notre Dame will lose 3 more games before this season is over
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:40:22 am
I cant stand Notre Dame and I am not a big Weiss fan. But what he did for that kid and his family, the one who was dying of cancer, was one of the classiest things I have ever seen someone do. Charlie Weiss is a good man.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 10:47:02 am
Chum,
 
That's true, what he did was a good thing.  No arguing that.  There is just something shady about the guy though lol, I just can't place it yet. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 10:49:48 am
JT

Sorry for the late response...I will be at the game on Sat...I will only be there for a couple of hours, since my wife has to go to a funeral, and I have to bring my son (who is 3, and won't last...)  I won't be at any of the other events...

Tell your dad to look for me at the alumni tent, I will be wearing a Nebraska hat (So people can find me)...I would like to say hello...and maybe he will tell me some sociall crippling stories from your youth I can use against you on the NJAC board ;D

also...I will meet you guys...you,  Xgsc etc...at one of your play-off games this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:51:06 am
bman, see you there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 10:51:46 am
He reminds me of Roger Podactor(sp?) of Ace Ventura Pet Detective (1)...but he did have the b*lls of a bandit to throw that pass on the 1....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 14, 2005, 11:00:30 am
bman,

When he calls in.  I'll let him know to look you up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 12:09:27 pm
bman

Holy crap he does look like Roger Podactor, good call! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 14, 2005, 12:31:43 pm
bman,

Heard from my Dad.  He will be wearing a PMC 65 hat, I told him you'd have a Nebraska hat on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 01:11:30 pm
It is nice to hear from about all of the Alumni that will be heading back to WU. Hopefully they willprovide a good showing.

Chum - please try to represent the WU alumni better. Your comments are a bit harsh.
Del Val is a very good undefeated team that was in the playoffs the previous season. I have seen them plat twice this year. There Def. excellent and the QB is a winner. They deserve to be ranked exactly where they are until somebody proves otherwise on the field.
As for lycoming, it seems everyone is lining up to kick them why they are down. I guess that comes with the territory of being on top. I only hope everyone remembers that they have represented this conference extremely well for many years. We may have hated them as opponents and had many wonderful battles over the years. Those of us that truely know the game also have alot of respect for them. Lycoming is a great program that has been built on the sweat of many talanted players. The tradition of that program should not be questioned or disrespected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 01:22:02 pm
here here well said wudline your entire post was spot on!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 01:25:25 pm
bobbyhas: Like him or not he's winning and as Chum stated that was a class move calling that play for the little boy. I think in the short time he's been there he's moving ND in the right direction and all my post said was that for the past few years people have been blaming admissions for the football program's lack of success. The bottom line is that this guy is winning with the same admission's standards, so to state that certain MAC teams can't recruit on an equal footing(which to me smacks of something entirely different)is merely an excuse for a program's lack of success.

The bottom line is that some of the programs that are being singled out as "academic bottom feeders" haven't changed their standards of admissions and are now winning - they were perennial losers with the same recruiting criteria - so I think that theory lacks any substance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 02:49:21 pm
JT will look for him...

MAaggie....he still looks like Roger Podactor though :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 03:07:02 pm
What comments did you find harsh? I definatey have a right to be harsh, 3 rings.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 03:55:28 pm
Chum-
I feel that you need to show a little restraint in your comments toward Del Val and Lyco. Your comments about your dislike for Lyco are a bit overboard. I think you also need to show a little more respect for Del Val and what they have been able to accomplish. I wonder if you have seen them play this year? I have seen them play twice and feel that they deserve the ranking that they have earned until someone proves otherwise. Please do not fall into the trap of other young alumni and allow personal feelings to cloud your judgement. Rings do not give you the right to state that you wish an entire town burns to the ground. Furthermore, many WU alum also have rings of their own.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 04:11:13 pm
Not very long ago I played against the number 1,3,5,6,7,12th ranked teams in the country. Del Val is not on that level yet, very good, but not quite there.

As far as my dislike for Lycoming, it will continue, and i stick by my previous statements. They are our bitter rivals, all games are fought tooth and nail. I respect them yet hate them. Maybe there is a new mindset at Widener not to hate Lyco, but when we played there we were taught to hate them, and we did, and always will. We practied extra during Lyco Week.

Yes many alumni do have rings, not 3 though. I have earned the right to say whatever I want about the MAC, and I will continue to do so. However I will respect your wishes and tell you when to stop reading my post due to Lyco Bashing.

WWWWWWUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 14, 2005, 04:25:11 pm
Maggie,
Enough!  As a LYCO grad, I normally don't call people stupid because I have better manners, you might consider doing the same.  I have read your posts and with few exceptions, you speak of things with which you have limited to nil knowledge.  I do believe that coaching is important and I do agree with your Notre Dame example.  However with that being said, if one school allows marginal students into their program, and competing schools do not, thats a distinct recruiting advantage and results in more wins on a Saturday afternoon.  GA is a good coach, however there are at least a handful of coaches in the MAC, that could achieve the same results, if they had the same talent level on their squad.  I'm not saying that football players are academic nonachievers (NOTE MAGGIE I DIDN'T SAY STUPID), most aren't.  What I am saying is that a school that can go after both good and bad student athletes, have a distinct advantage over schools that recruit only good student athletes.  It's a numbers game, and yes individual school admissions and financial aid departments have more of an impact of program success than coaching.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 14, 2005, 04:31:03 pm
I have earned the right to say whatever I want about the MAC, and I will continue to do so.


Some might contend that you've also "earned the right" to make a public ass of yourself -- and to "continue to do so."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 04:40:58 pm
couldnt of said it better warren!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 05:23:29 pm
Contrary to popular belief this is not public, and I will continue to make an ass out of myself, if that means discussing things I know.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 05:30:18 pm
Chum-
I have been around the WU program for over 20 years and have never refused to defend one of our own, congrats you are the first. Your comments and arrogants are fictitous. I will simply waste anymore time reading your post or responding to them. For your own sake please try to get out and watch some d3 football before you comment on any other teams. an educated comment is always a better comment. You may have three rings but you do not have the big one that some of us do. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 14, 2005, 05:34:57 pm
Just for the record ...

If this room isn't public, whereby the whole world, if it so chose, could read your words, then just what would you consider "public"?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 05:45:55 pm
What comments were fictitious ?
You have the big ring ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 14, 2005, 07:12:02 pm
Chum,

You sound like a guy who cant over his glory days, or lack there of. Move on with life, find a new hobby, no one appreciates your input anymore.

To get back to MAC football, which is why we are all supposed to be here.  It looks like this weekend is going to be alot of mud games again, how is everyone going to makeout this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 07:46:57 pm
lol  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 14, 2005, 08:52:20 pm
Chum Slam....your first posts wre a bit amusing but have now turned sour and bitter. Try to get over the bitterness, it will make you a better person. Take your three rings and have them mounted, by you sitting on them. The glory days are over, move on with your life and try to have fond memories of your alledged playing time, and not having thoughts of burning a town to the ground.  Grow the hell up!!


Upbrmeasap...it is going to be a mud bath in Doylestown tomorrow. Wish it was dry just to see the 2 featured QBs' strut their stuff.


HEY READYTOROCK...YOUR GUY IS # 4 ON THE LIST...CONGRATS THERE AND TO HIM!!!

GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 14, 2005, 09:24:50 pm
Good luck to everyone this w/e.  I especially want to wish Lyco good luck this w/e against a non-conference team that's ranked high.  Lyco playing well this w/e still sends a message to the rest of dIII.  Root for the upset!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 10:50:22 pm
MoJo: As a Lyco grad I would think your reading comprehension would be a little better...where did I say you were stupid???? I said your theory was stupid and then used an example of why. You seem a bit touchy and really are boring  us with your constant sniping about who's smarter, I believe it was stated earlier that people are only interested in talking football but you insist on making snide comments denegrating other schools academic programs. Additionally, you don't seem to be able to step out of the past. This is 2005 and like it or not, DVC sits atop the MAC for the 2nd year in a row. They still have a lot of season left and some tough football to play. Lyco had their shot at them and didn't get it done try and take your lumps like a man and move on.

As for your assertion that other coaches could take GA's talent and win with it, I tend to doubt that is true, but it's only an opinion since we'll never know. I think it's a bit cavalier of you to assume that the football players on his team are marginal students, what proof do you have? Have you seen their grades or SAT's for all you know they could be outstanding students..

I say you should just get over it there are plenty of outstanding football players who are also good students perhaps your coach should do a better job recruiting if you think that's what it's all about. And unless you have some kind of proof that the DVC kids aren't outstanding students you should just shut your pie hole.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 14, 2005, 11:06:18 pm
I know personally that there were kids turned down from LVC that were given academic scholarships to DVC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 11:32:57 pm
MaAggie

You are showing your age....I don't think anyone uses the term pie hole anymore ;D

Chum...man we've got to get a beverage in you stat son...I mean...the whole town?  Where will the little leaguers play? :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 11:35:33 pm
PS Warren...did you figure out what we are going to do with our "Crappy" degrees?  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 14, 2005, 11:50:05 pm
Maggie,
By stating my ideas are stupid you are in fact saying I am stupid.  I will again state that you speak of facts that you have limited knowledge.  It is common knowledge that DVC is recruiting athletes that could not get in some of the other MAC schools. ie:LVC  I'm glad that these kids have someplace to go and are given an opportunity to get an education.  These student athletes must still complete approved academic requirements to graduate.  If they accomplish this, great.  If not, they'll probably be changing tires down at the Walmart and be able to tell their coworkers they played college football.  I would be curious how many kids come into GA's program and graduate, in comparison to a school like LVC.  How anyone can argue that a school that admits marginal students to play ball does not have an advantage over schools that won't admit those type students is beyond my grasp.  DVC is on top because plain and simple, they have better athletes.  Yea the coaching is good but so is the coaching at other schools.  ie:LYCO  Have a good evening and best of luck to your team tomorrow.  Good luck to the Dutchman.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 15, 2005, 01:44:46 am
There is no other sport that has such an uneven playing field as D3 football.  Academic standards, financial aid, etc... There is no even playing field.  Get over it.  It isnt going to change.  It is, what it is.

I have zero doubt that if some coaching staffs put the same effort into recruiting that they put into whining about their situation, they would be more competive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 15, 2005, 01:55:28 am
Billman, alledged playing time?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 15, 2005, 07:49:28 am
bman:

After much soul-searching, agonizing and research into the facts, I fear I have to admit that a "crappy" degree will take you only so far down the road of life, e.g., to such venues as Hershey Medical School, the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Washington & Lee School of Law, Harvard Law School, Union Theological Seminary, the New York Times (editorial staff), Carnegie-Mellon University (graduate school), and various financial institutions (the name of Citicorp, for some reason, comes to mind).

Sorry my research couldn't produce a more positive result ....  :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2005, 08:28:53 am
Warren

I guess we will have to muddle through :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 08:41:32 am
GA is a fine coach.  But what he has done and how he has done it is not MAGIC.  This guy is not the "BABY JESUS",so stop gathering around this guy and his program like he is.  There is at least a handful of other coaches that could have achieved the same results if they had access to the same kids.  I am not discounting GA or DVC's achievments, yes they are and have been on top of the MAC for the past two years.  The purpose of this post is to bring some of the contributors on this board back to reality. 




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 15, 2005, 09:33:50 am
Bman, muddle on, but please shut your piehole.... ;D  Couldn't resist, I always loved that saying, guess I am showing my age also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 15, 2005, 09:50:35 am
MoJo: Common knowledge is another word of saying "rumor". If you can't prove it you shouldn't be spreading it around. As for calling you stupid, agian it's all in your lack of comprehension. Your remark was stupid, or lacking in understanding. I repeat what you want to pass off as only a product of recruiting can be explained as good coaching.

Bottom line is that everything seems to be beyond your grasp...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 15, 2005, 09:54:11 am
Oh and btw, you are not only discounting DVC's success but are insulting every kid playing there. Your last post was the most enlightening as your true agenda is hate of GA
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on October 15, 2005, 12:19:26 pm
You all are a lot more familiar with Lycoming than us Empire 8-folk. Does Lyco have any shot of knocking off the Bombers today. Do they have any dangerous players?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 02:16:07 pm
Halftime score Ithaca - 10  Lycoming - 7.  Go Warriors!

Albiright DVC game seems interesting based on scoreboard too!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:28:34 pm
Lycoming is giving the Bombers a run - but I feel it may fall short.  Current score 27-21 Ithaca with about 7 minutes to go.  Still, given the results of this season, and the fact that Ithaca is rated #8 in the country, this is a step in the right direction.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:36:40 pm
Lyco ball with minutes to go - maybe an upset in the making - who knows?

Just glad to see the Warriors battling for victory again.  Smith seems like he is beginning to gain some confidence.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:39:47 pm
Lycoming at the 19 yd line - second down with 2:20 to go.  An upset in the making????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:45:30 pm
Lycoming ties game only to miss PAT 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:52:48 pm
Lycoming - Ithaca OVERTIME.  Not too bad a showing for a team that is supposedly DEAD against the #8 team in the country.  Glad to see the Warriors battling to the very last snap, again, as previously.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 04:10:04 pm
WARRIORS WIN!   Smith scores a TD in OT to put Lycoming on top.  I only wish I had been there.  Bring on LVC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2005, 05:11:52 pm
Wow, outstanding win for Lycoming today.

It's a nice win for the whole conference, too, as a testament to the MAC's strength in the region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 05:51:31 pm
Maggie,
Believe what you want.  Your assertions about my agenda are incorrect, but then what else is new.  If you want to believe, GA is the "Messiah of the MAC", go ahead, I don't.  As stated in the past, I believe GA is a good coach, however I don't feel he is any better than some of the other premier coaches in the MAC. ie:LYCO'S Coach G.  The only point I was trying to make, again please read my lips, if school A (DVC) allows some players into their program that are marginal students and school B (LVC) will not admit these type students, school A (DVC) has a definite advantage over school B (LVC) on any given Saturday afternoon.  I am in no way implying that all student athletes at DVC are not good students, what I am saying that there are some players currently on DVC's squad that would not be/ or have been accepted at LVC.  This statement is not heresay, rumor, etc, but fact.  I am sorry you feel that I have insulted DVC's Kids, Coaches, and program.  I have not.  In closing, congratulations WARRIORS, YOU PLAYED LIKE CHAMPIONS TODAY!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 15, 2005, 08:20:12 pm
Just wanted to update the board by putting 246 to the left...Good job men!...It started last week in the 3rd qtr and continued through all 4 qtrs today....."G" had you mentally prepared that it was your playoff game today...You bought in and executed....Finish the year strong one week at a time now and more important, have fun doing it!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 15, 2005, 08:24:36 pm
KUDOS TO LYCOMING!!!    For scheduling a tough out of conf. opponent and winning the game!!  NO ONE gave y'all a chance!  Congrats.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 15, 2005, 08:33:59 pm
Mojo-
well if you are correct with what u are saying about dvc.....

then why doesn't lvc changes some things so maybe they would be successful for once

i feel bad for kids that go to lvc b/c they know they never win

imagine their visit to the college....."well son you have a great academic background and are one hell of a football player....come to school here and lose for 4 years.."   or hmmm go to dvc get a education and win some football games
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 15, 2005, 08:43:56 pm
Wow, outstanding win for Lycoming today.

It's a nice win for the whole conference, too, as a testament to the MAC's strength in the region.

It's certainly a nice win for the MAC, however, the conference is 3-5 in non-league matches with the other two wins against Ursinius??!  With the Gulls and Mules left as out of conf. opponents, unless I missed a game, that might be it this season.

Question--  why so much talk of movement within the conf. and is Susquehanna certainly leaving??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 15, 2005, 08:45:18 pm
HEY LYCO--
WAY TO GO!!!!  What a Great Game today!!!  Way to represent the MAC!  NANANA  NANaNA  hey hey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 15, 2005, 08:47:51 pm
Mojo-
well if you are correct with what u are saying about dvc.....

then why doesn't lvc changes some things so maybe they would be successful for once

i feel bad for kids that go to lvc b/c they know they never win

imagine their visit to the college....."well son you have a great academic background and are one hell of a football player....come to school here and lose for 4 years.."   or hmmm go to dvc get a education and win some football games

bossman, what do you think kids visit were like at DellVall before 2003?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 09:42:20 pm
Bossman,
I wish LVC would loosen their academic criteria in respect to at least a few student athlete recruits.  I had two sons that played in the LVC program and although overall I think they had a positive experience, its a whole lot more fun when you are winning.  Although I feel LVC is starting to support the program more than they have had in the past, in my opinion, their academic criteria will continue to inhibit the success of their program.  I personally am not opposed to taking the path DVC has chosen.  If you are a good athlete and a good student you will get a great education and be able to succeed in life.  (Note: this statement is true for all the MAC schools)  If you are academically challenged, you will either sink or swim.  As stated in a post to Maggie, it would be interesting to see how many players go through the DVC program and graduate versus the LVC program.   Yes posters, this is a relavent issue.  Division 3 players should be students first and athletes second.  With few exceptions, in my lifetime ,have I seen a player at the division 3 level able to make it to the NFL.  The only one I can think of is "White Shoes" Johnson.  In past posts I was attempting to make the point that although GA is a good coach, there are other coaches in the MAC just as good.  I personally do not think that GA is a recruiting GURU or a superior coach because he is able to recruit kids that other coaches can't touch because of their respective school's admission policies.  By speaking the truth, Maggie has made statements concerning keeping my pie hole shut and also my status as a man.  The lack of class exhibited by this individual amazes me.  Maggie again reaffirms my belief that the older I become, and the more people I meet, the more I like my dog.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2005, 09:48:51 pm
More Division III players in the NFL are listed in the FAQ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 15, 2005, 09:55:48 pm
Mojo, Bossman - I think we all get your points.  Any chance we can move on now?

As presented in "Around the Nation"  Mark my words or I'll eat 'em - my bad.  Chomp, chomp, chomp - that's me eating my words from a previous post that Lyco wouldn't pull out the win against Ithaca.  Great job to the Lycoming Warriors!!  You proved a lot of us wrong and in a big way.  Knocking off # 8!!!  You should all be very proud of that accomplishment.  Outstanding!!!  I wish I would have been there to see that one.

I was at the DVC / Albright game....too close for comfort, but DVC pulled out the win.  Go Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 15, 2005, 10:28:42 pm
4Man....Amen!!!  MOJO, Bossman...Yes we get your point!!.This has been discussed many times over the last few weeks...We all get it ok??? Please move on..  That horse is dead please stop beating him.

Simba, Lyco...GREAT WIN...KEEP IT GOING NOW!

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 15, 2005, 10:43:18 pm
(http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/football/05releases/vs-ithaca-photo2.jpg)
Lycoming quarterback Glenn Smith scores the winning touchdown on a nine-yard scamper on the Warriors’ first overtime possession after the defense had previously forced Ithaca to settle for a field goal during its overtime drive.  The overtime win marks only the second time the Warriors have won a game in an extra period with its other victory coming against East Texas Baptist in the 2003 NCAA playoffs....Lyco website....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 16, 2005, 08:52:08 am
Simba and the Lyco crew

Congrats on a great win yesterday...way to represent the conference!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 16, 2005, 10:46:53 am
Bossman,
I wish LVC would loosen their academic criteria in respect to at least a few student athlete recruits.

you have got to be kidding me.  grades are really not that important but lowering standards for someone to get in just because they're an athlete?  I hate it that DI schools do it, now D3 should too?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 16, 2005, 01:11:52 pm
Splik,
Just a few kids.  Specifically linemen.  Three or four kids a year would not jeopardize academic ranking.  Besides, they gotta make the grade or they won't graduate.  I think the program at LVC is headed in the right direction.  With that being said, I don't think they can reach the pinnacle where LYCO has been and where DVC is now, without making some concessions in the academic arena.  If you don't think it hasn't happened at other MAC schools over the years, you are grossly mistaken.  This is the SINGLE LARGEST REASON LVC has been noncompetitive over the years.  If you think that this has hampered the academic achievers at the schools that have taken this approach, be assured it hasn't.  DVC, LYCO, ALBRIGHT, WU have had their share of DRS., LAWYERS, AND INDIAN CHIEFS.  The achievers succeed regardless of the schools they graduate from in the MAC.  I have seen kids play at LVC that could have been starters at any school in the MAC, however there are not enough of these kids at other positions on the team.  You know and I know the historic reason for this trend at LVC.  Specifically the admissions and financial aid departments.  I'd like this program to be on top of the pile one of these seasons instead of always at the bottom.  End of discussion!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 16, 2005, 04:05:12 pm
MOJO,

How bout the coaches at LVC just get after the smart kids and let the dumb ones go somewhere else?? Odds are, if they are that dumb, they wont make it long at the school anyways... Trust me, you wont win many games playing freshmen and sophomores every year.

I would tell you to check out the gpas of the kids committed to Charlie Weis and Notre Dame, but I think you would just come back with more blabble and whining about academic standards.

It is, what it is.  As soon as LVC starts putting effort into the things they do have, instead of worrying about what they dont - maybe they will get some better kids and win some more games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 16, 2005, 04:43:12 pm
Yo Aggies way to go! That was an awesome game. The QB from Albright is fantastic and had a great game. Their O-line did an awesome job of protecting him all day right up to when #55 came up big with a sack! DVC's defense has been great all year and had a couple of key injuries in the game yesterday but dug deep and manned up when it counted.

Congrats to Lyco on their win yesterday too.

For MoJo: you lost all credibility with your last post...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 16, 2005, 07:46:53 pm
I am willing to bet academic standards are not the only reason LVC has not been competitive.  There are plenty of schools have excellent academic standards and are competitive in sports.  Look at F&M in basketball and football (look at last year) or Johns Hopkins, not exactly weak sisters academically or athletically.  Heck, isnt LVC good at every sport except football?
That aside, I was impressed to see Lycoming win and make some noise for the MAC. Hopefully, Widener can do the same and knock off a tough Salisbury team soon. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 16, 2005, 10:03:24 pm
Congratulations to Lyco for the big win this past weekend.  Has Glenn Smith been starting all year?  I went to high school with his cousin, who told me over the summer that Smith would be starting QB for Lyco this year, but I didn't hear hear anything about him until the Ithaca game.  However, I won't be rooting for them this week. 

Also, it sounds like the DVC-AC game was very exciting as well. 

As for all the talk about academics and all that--isn't it more fun to talk about football?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on October 16, 2005, 10:29:00 pm
Smith started the first two games, then split time for a game or two with back up QB Hanna. He won his starting position back before the wilkes game, and has started since then.
 GO WARRIORS.... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 16, 2005, 10:38:13 pm
 :) :) :) :) widener wins again......here goes a question for ya....why is widener not ranked yet....hey d3football.com  get in the game we are better then a couple of those teams... ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2005, 10:42:37 pm
If Widener hadn't lost to Wilkes ... or Wilkes hadn't lost to William Paterson ... you'd be getting more than zero votes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2005, 11:10:02 pm
Bigdoggy:

Pat hit the nail on the head.  I was the last guy voting for Widener this year.  But the Wilkes game throws a monkey wrench in any plans to put the Pioneers back on my ballot at least.  There are just so many other worthy undefeated and one loss teams left right now.

The Pioneers are certainly on my radar though.  I liked them coming into 2005 and that hasn't changed a whole lot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 17, 2005, 08:15:39 am
Posters,
Ok, lets talk football.  Pursuant to LYCO,s upset of then #8 Ithaca, I would be interested in feedback from anyone that attended the game or is knowledgeable about Ithica and the Empire 8 Conference.  Is the MAC a stronger conference?  Did Ithica take LYCO for granted, and get caught in doing so?  Did LYCO play above themselves or is LYCO a better team than people have expressed on the board?  Remember, this is the same team that was spanked by FDU.  Was that a quirk or was LYCO emotionally drained from their game with DVC the prior week?  Can LYCO put it together for LVC, or are they spent from last weeks surprising upset of Ithica?  I'm fortunate this week because I am both a LYCO and LVC fan, so I can't lose.  I hope LVC is victorious because I know some of the kids that are playing.  How good is LYCO's secondary?  Have opponents been successful throwing the ball against LYCO?  I,m assuming their ground defense will be tough, a usual LYCO trademark.  Well I'm anxious for feedback.  Best of luck to both the Dutchmen and Warriors to get through this game with no injuries.  Go Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 09:42:50 am
Congrats WU, great win, and it was great to be on the sidelines again. WUDLINE do you have the big one ? you never answered my question.

Also I'm hoping for a one loss Widener vs an undefeated Del Val for the MAC championship.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 09:44:25 am
Pat & Gordonmann
What confuses me about Wu not being in the rankings is that there seems to be a certian double standard. I agree that the Wilkes loss was not a vey good, but it was the first week of the season. Wu was without Schmit, Rock and Prothro. They have run off 5 straight wins since. If you argue the point that they should not be ranked because of a bad loss, then please explain how Salisbury stays ranked after lossing to Monclair.Furthermore Ithica lost to Lyco, which WU beat. If you going on the strength of schedule or quality of wins, WU is ranked 24th by d3. Ahead of teams like Coe(25),W & L (27), Ferrum(34), Cartage (34), Ithica (42), and W&J (53). All of these teams are either ranked or can be found in others recieving.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 17, 2005, 09:54:48 am
dvc/widener if both win until the end of the season would be a great match up. although i will just take dvc winning out at this point no matter who they are playing!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 10:06:53 am
The Wu / Dvc will be a great one. Just like the last two. The both teams have a lot ability and the coaches know each other very well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 10:37:29 am
WUDLINE

Let's hold off of the rankings argument for a bit...that should take care of itself if we win against SU...

Chum...was looking for you Sat...too bad I missed you...I had to leave mid 3rd q though...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 10:44:06 am
Bman
That should hopefully take care of itself. However if Wu is not ranked or at least in the others recieving then a win against Salsbury migh tnot matter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 17, 2005, 10:51:25 am
bman,

My Dad and Mom had a good time, but he wasn't able to run into you.  He thought the Fri night and Sat night festivities were OK.  He thought Widener was a little cheap with the spread and open bar.

He and some of classmates feel that the school doesn't do enough for the PMC grads.  These are the guys who could make the big donation, but many don't feel much connection to the school anymore.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 11:06:13 am
Bman

I was at the tent around 12:30, saw about 60 red hats, couldnt fina  Nebraska one though. Walked on over to the game at 12:50. Was looking for you.

WUDLINE, do you have the big ring?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 11:24:48 am
Chum
As I stated earlier I will not be replying to any of your post. I have removed you from my Wu family for a lack of  class, and moral judgement. Please do not refer to me in any of your post. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 11:27:23 am
Well I just wanted to make sure your statements are justified. So please answer just that for me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 01:26:47 pm
Chum/JT

I was dissapointed this year....I expected they would be more family friendly than in the past...Last year they did not have those bouncy pits and slides for the kids...they assured a friend of mine that they would this year...I was in a position this year that I had to take my son...or not go...

The childrens activity essentially consisted of face painting and a bean bag tou that was broken and taped together....very lame.

So essentially they provided nothing of value for children, I occupied him the tent as long as I could, then I took him into the game...he lasted a little over a quarter....

so....JT they are as bad for the WU alum as they are for the PMC...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 01:37:24 pm
bman
I asked about the childrens activities and was told that the main reason that they did not have the slides / ect..  is that all of the construction/ field work that is taking place prevented it. It placed alot of us in the same situation with our children.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 02:22:02 pm
Bman, loved the fireworks at the end of the national anthem though. That was definately a treat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 17, 2005, 03:24:31 pm
MOJO

As I previously stated Lyco is and will always be a tought win. I feel that they have righted the ship and it did start prior to the Ithaca game. Lyco...good luck the remainder of the season....

AC?DVC...what a game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2005, 04:14:59 pm
Pat & Gordonmann
If you going on the strength of schedule or quality of wins, WU is ranked 24th by d3.

That's the NCAA's ranking, not ours. We don't believe in it and certainly don't go by it for anything. We only print it because the NCAA uses it.

We make that abundantly clear on the QOW page.

I have often found if a voter is up in the air about a team they look at the future schedule and see if there are any statement games on the schedule, ones that will tell us for sure whether a team is up or down. Widener has two such statement games remaining, but unfortunately they are the last two weeks of the season. I can see Widener getting votes before then but the Pioneers won't turn a majority of the voters' heads until those games are played.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 08:00:21 pm
DLINE

Thanks for the info....I guess the saying is true, that if you want somethhin done...then don't talk about it...get involved. 

I will make the appropriate action...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 17, 2005, 09:16:33 pm
(http://williamsport-pa.com/lycomingfootball/lc05101501banner.jpg)

4 weeks of frustration relieved on just one play!...
Look at that sideline...No matter who your MAC team of choice is on this board, you've got to appreciate the moment captured by the WOL photographer..Congratulations again Warriors!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 17, 2005, 09:55:04 pm
Simba...That pic is worth 10,000 words...good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 18, 2005, 06:38:39 am
Simba,

Copied the pic too.  Great shot!  I think I see Wise off his feet in mid-air.

May be going to DVC leaving Friday night with Tom Grace, #34 from the 1996-99 team.  He's a Captain in the Marines assigned here in Norfolk.

Should, if we come, look for you?

We hope to leave Friday night and stay close to Annville making it an easy drive Saturday morning.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wilkessid on October 18, 2005, 02:18:02 pm
WUDLINE:

Although I love your enthusiasm in regards to your team (and a very good team it is), please do not make things up to prove your point.  All three of the players that you mentioned in a previous post, Schmidt, Rock and Prothro, did indeed play in the game against Wilkes.  I am not providing this information to stir up any controversy, but lets make it perfectly clear that the Wilkes defense did indeed shutout out Widener with all of your weapons.  Good luck with the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 18, 2005, 02:49:57 pm
Simba
That is a cool picture and I'm far from being a lycoming fan. 

If....rember, I said if, both Widener and Del Val win out until their game and Widener wins, does Del Val get a pool C bid? I say probably because Del Val has been ranked all year and Widener would be a quality. 
Obviously, I am putting the cart before the horse here, but just out of curiosity.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 18, 2005, 03:01:57 pm
The Pool C Bid is not guaranteed for DelVal, if you remeber back only 3 years age. A one loss top ten Widener team (who had advanced deep into the playoffs each of the previous 2 seasons) was not given the Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2005, 04:43:31 pm
Chum's right, though the chances at getting a Pool C bid are better for Del Val now than they were for Widener then simply because there are more C bids to be had.

We're starting to track the Pool C picture informally on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=118#comment-544) and will do so more formally as the site rolls along.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 18, 2005, 07:09:48 pm
Hey Chum Chum and Slik......

B4 worrying bout dvc and the playoffs yous guys should worry about  ur tough game on the road this week at kings(no easy task)

then u guys also have a tough salisbury team on ur sched which is also on the road(although not a conf game)

then coming up to face a tough dvc team which almost hasn't lost at home in like three years

one game at a time fellas..........
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 19, 2005, 09:47:56 am
Wilkes SID
Please let me clear up my statement. Schmit played the first three series before he had to leave the game because of a torn hamstring suffered against Penn. This injury caused him to be out of action until the Moravian game. Prothro carried the ball one time before he left the game due to a seperated shoulder caused in an inter squad scrimmage during camp. Rock played the first half before leaving due to  soreness from a knee surgery. I should have used the word Healthy. My remarks were not intende to slight Wiles in anyway. They are a very goog football team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 19, 2005, 10:41:36 am
I agree that the matchup between WU and DVC is a bit far off at this point.  We do have some tough road games coming up.

Hopefully there will be a big game in Chester at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2005, 10:59:37 am
Former Wu:

If you mean the DVC/Widener game, it's in Doylestown again this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 19, 2005, 01:38:05 pm
remember I said IF they both win out

is homefield a big deal in this game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 19, 2005, 06:35:34 pm
Here's a scenario that I'd be interested in learning about the outcome:

I'm not sure how this works so if someone can enlighten me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  If Widener and DVC both finish out their seasons unbeaten, then coming into the final game Widener would have 1 loss.  If Widener would happen to beat DVC, giving them their first loss, both teams would be standing at a record of 9-1 overall and 8-1 conference.  Since they would both be standing with a single loss would they be co-Mac champs?  Who would move on to the playoffs?  How is it determined? 

Thanks for cluing in the clueless  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 19, 2005, 08:04:48 pm
4man,

I think WU would win based on a head-to-head tie-breaker scenario.  However, I may be wrong.

When it comes to the murkly world of D-III playoff selections I am never quite sure as there are things that happen in that process that rival the NCAA D-1 basketball tournament selection bordering on the unexplainable.

I welcome other posters' corrections if I erred.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 19, 2005, 09:36:23 pm
Widner, should they run the table should win, due to the hear to head, and they schedueled an good team(Salisbury) out of conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2005, 11:04:23 pm
If previous experience is any indication, the MAC would declare DVC and Widener co-champs.  This last happened with Widener and King's shared the title in 2002.

The conference's AQ would go to Widener since they would have the tie-breaker advantage with a head-to-head victory.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2005, 08:37:59 am
In the past the MAC would declare two champions and give the team that had not been to the playoffs for the longest period of time the automatic playoff bid. It is my understanding that they changed that rule after the Widener/Kings situation. The first tie breaker is now head to head. The Wu/ DVC situation will play itself out. However, it will get tricky if WU beats DVC and Wilkes continues to win out. Then we will have three teams with one conference loss that have lost to one another.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 20, 2005, 04:55:58 pm
Thank you for your input.  I hadn't even considered Wilkes in that scenario which sounds like that would make the situation even stickier.   I guess we'll all just have to wait another 4 weeks to see what the final outcome will be.  Good luck to all!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 20, 2005, 07:34:40 pm
Sportsfans,
Unless The Football Gods prevail, no way Weidner defeats DVC when they meet in November.  DVC is a substantially better team than Weidner.  Weidner will not be able to stop DVC's O.  I say this not being a fan of either team.

Best of luck to the Dutchmen this Saturday.  My prediction, LVC 21 - LYCO 14.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 20, 2005, 09:37:06 pm
anything can happen at anytime, so there is always a chance for WU to beat DVC (that is why we actually play the game) but i frankly do not see that happening... Going to be another cold, wet weekend in annville, in lvc's favor.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 20, 2005, 11:26:34 pm
ok, here we go with Don's predictions for this week:

#8   DVC               35         Susquehanna    14
#34  Widener          28         King's              14
Albright                 42          FDU                14
Lycoming               35          LVC                14
Moravian                21          Wilkes            17
Franklin & Marsh.    28          Juniata           14

The Moravian / Wilkes matchup should be a tough game and Lycoming definitely has my vote after last week's upset.  Again, we'll be playing in the rain if weather predictions are accurate so be prepared for those mud games for teams playing on grass.  Good luck to all!!!   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2005, 12:03:37 am
In a rare turn of events, I actually have the recap of last week's Del Val-Albright game done and posted.  If you'd like to hear lots of highlights of Delaware Valley and Albright scoring, you can check that out here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).

You can also here the Delaware Valley-Susquehanna game on Saturday starting with pregame at 1:00 PM and kickoff at 1:30 PM.  Catch all the fun at www.sportsjuice.com.

It'll be better than three greasy monkeys in a wheel barrow.  And you know how great that is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 21, 2005, 11:57:38 am
GGGGGGGOOOOOOO  AAAAGGGGGGGIIIIIEEEEESSSS!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 21, 2005, 04:02:10 pm
GO WU! Ruing Kings Homecoming, and stay on the fast track to a conference championship showdown with DVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:04:31 pm
Go Warriors - Beat Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:32:49 pm
ughhh fumble to LVC . . . hold onto the ball lads.

Come on D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:37:40 pm
touchdown LVC - PAT missed
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:55:39 pm
Fumble recovery - Lycoming's Murdoch returns it for a TD - PAT good - Lycoming leads 7-6!

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:01:16 pm
Warriors no-huddle and driving as second quarter begins to run-down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:48:57 pm
LVC going 4th and 3 in Lyco territory . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:49:44 pm
Lyco stops them cold ball over to Warriors on downs on their own 29.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:50:36 pm
Smith pass to Brown gain of 8 yards to the 36
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:51:09 pm
Mangold to mid-field, Warrirors offense on the march . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:52:22 pm
Smith pass intercepted by LVC to 45
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:52:55 pm
Smith routinely over-throws his receivers - I bet his release point is too high.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:53:20 pm
Kelly incomplete and chased out of bounds
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:54:13 pm
Kelly tackled by Van Nort - gain of 5 - third and 5.  DLine doing its job.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:54:57 pm
At the end of 3rd quarter - Lycoming 7 - Lebanon Valley 6.  Field conditions sound awful.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:56:23 pm
Complete pass for LVC and a first down . . . on Lyco 46
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:57:29 pm
Incomplete pass after a short gain bringing up a 3rd and 8.  Crucial play for both teams - go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:58:14 pm
Smith of Lyco intercepts on account of red-dog that nearly overwhelmed Kelly.  Ball over to Warriors.  Way to go D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:58:58 pm
Lycoming 1st down on ten yard pass play
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:00:18 pm
Gain of four yards by Brandon Traugh
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:00:47 pm
Another big run by Traugh - first down - sprung by a Mangold block in the flat
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:01:21 pm
Lycoming on 35 of LVC, second and 5, OLine moving them off the blocks and making holes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:01:55 pm
Traugh a yard short of first down on LVC 30
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:02:45 pm
Traugh gets to the 27 yard line on a toss and gets the first down
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:03:20 pm
Lycoming playing ball-control offense - fumble - recovered by Traugh
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:04:16 pm
Laky carries for two - bringing up a third and eight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:05:06 pm
Incomplete pass - laundry on the field - appears to be pass interference
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:05:41 pm
Lycoming first down - ball at the 17 LVC yard line - on pass interference call.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:06:04 pm
Traugh carries to the ten yard line off right guard hole
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:06:53 pm
Toss left to Traugh - no-gain, third and three at 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:07:37 pm
Big play for both teams - play-action pass incomplete to Mangold.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:08:06 pm
Lyco going for it on pass attempt
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:08:38 pm
Smith keeps it and is swarmed over by D and held to no gain
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:09:17 pm
LVC ball with 6 minutes to play - successful completion and first down pass play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:10:09 pm
LVC on their own 22 yard line . . . I-formation - Kelly gives to Brennan for a draw and pick-up of about six . . . second and four.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:10:35 pm
Third and one - LVC no huddle offense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:11:04 pm
Flag on the play -
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:11:24 pm
Holding on LVC - another break for the Warriors
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:12:09 pm
LVC - third and 11 at the 21 . . . shotgun
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:12:45 pm
LVC pass incomplete - crowd livid for no-call by zebras.  Punt it away
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:13:45 pm
Helter skelter punt play - somewhat run and kick - ball to Lycoming on the 50 yard line.  Come on OLine - run the ball and the clock out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:14 pm
LVC has everyone up in the box daring Lycoming to pass the ball
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:34 pm
Second and ten with less than four minutes to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:55 pm
Traugh gets to original line of scrimmage making it 3rd and ten.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:16:09 pm
Pass play complete for five yards . . . 4th and five.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:16:55 pm
Warriors line up for punt - caught on the 12 and returned to the 47 yard line and pushed out of bounds by the punter - whew.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:17:28 pm
Big pass play by LVC and complete to the 11 yard line of Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:17:53 pm
2:39 in game -
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:18:17 pm
Brennan up the middle to the three or four . . . uggghhhhhh.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:18:50 pm
LVC has never beaten Lycoming College in football - that may change today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:19:21 pm
Third and one to go with 1:48 to play - if we ever needed a turnover it was now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:22:39 pm
Lycoming has the ball on their own 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:23:38 pm
Not sure what happened to LVC's ball as I had a child emergency and when I returned Lycoming had the ball on their own 20.  Perhaps an INT in the end-zone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:24:01 pm
Smith keeps the ball and takes it to the 27 yard line with a minute to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:25:29 pm
Fumble - Lycoming recovers . . . 4th down and 25 seconds to go - Lycoming does not have to run another play - talk about a squeaker!!!!! 

LYCOMING WINS TO PRESERVE THE STREAK

LYCOMING 7

LEBANON VALLEY 6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 22, 2005, 03:25:45 pm
ne thing on widener kings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:26:57 pm
Congrats to the Warriors!  

And crow to those who suggested Lycoming was dead - they may be in the ICU but their condition is not quite as grave as previously suggested.  

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:28:48 pm
Missed field goal and ball went over to Lycoming - that explains the change of possession while I was parenting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 22, 2005, 03:34:01 pm
Lyco,
Thanks for your updates, they were most appreciated.  Congratulations to the Warriors on their win, most deserved.  Congratulations to the Dutchmen for playing a heck of a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 04:29:01 pm
Good job Warriors!....3 more wins for a winning season and 250 for "G"....Finish Strong!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 22, 2005, 04:36:53 pm
Simba:

Yes, a very good job by the Warriors, especially since their offense couldn't score.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 05:02:31 pm
Your absolutely correct Warren...We'll take a "W" any way we can get one these days, with (last week) or without (this week) an "O"... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 22, 2005, 05:12:08 pm
Absolutely, Simba, absolutely. A win is a win (to coin a cliche) ....

My heart goes out to the LVC defense: they shut out the Lyco offense only to lose the game on a fumble return. Such is life in the MAC.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 22, 2005, 05:12:27 pm
2 notes on the lyco win...1. The field was the worse that I've seen.  Someone mention it was ripped up by FDU/LVC, and then ripped up By LYCO.

2. The last punt that LVC returned to mid-field or so.  Lyco had full protection on, and the punt was kick to the middle of the field with not 1 Lyco player within 15 yards.  If you go full protection kick the ball towards the sideline,  not only that but the gunners (13,29,18 I think did well all day).

Great win...Let's win out and get "G" his 250th.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2005, 09:53:16 pm
King's does Del Val a big favor by beating Widener today.  The Aggies host John Ortiz and Co. next week but it won't count in conference for them.

At a glance, it looks like Del Val clinches the AQ if they beat Juniata.  They have a two game lead on everyone but Wilkes and the H2H advantage there.

I still bet the WU/Del Val game is fun, even if the conference crown isn't on the line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 22, 2005, 10:15:55 pm
Lycoming wins two in a row and all their posters show up.  Never though Lycoming beating LVC would be that big a cause for celebration.  Of course I never thought DVC would win the MAC or Mount Union would lose a conference home game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 10:36:54 pm
Not all splik....just the 30 year "frontrunners"... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 23, 2005, 08:39:12 am
And hey, Spilk, I am in the military and not always around to boast about Lycoming's prowess - sometimes I am overseas where D3 post don't seem to matter as much as keeping your head down and hanging on.

Nice retort, Simba.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 23, 2005, 05:32:51 pm
the word frontrunners was not typed by me.  I just said you did not have much to say earlier when Lycoming was winless.  going 0 and whatever gives you no prowess to boast about Lyco80.  not that winning has kept me from posting, if my alma mater wins a game at all this season I will be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 23, 2005, 06:10:30 pm
Sure did have something to say when we lost...
Go back and read them...I congratulated all but one of the victors that beat us this year even offering to take the QB from one team who hails from the "land of running water" out for Yings and wings when he comes back home to the County...What factual point is it you're trying to make here splik?...or are you just trying to stir the kettle up a little?...The wetness from behind your ears is getting your shirt collar soaked!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2005, 08:59:40 am
a big loss for widener this weekend....alot of things will have to happen for that last game against dvc to mean something.....ggggoooo aaagggiiiieeesssss!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 09:14:14 am


Gordon - I was not going to comment on the WU / Kings game until I read this comment from you.

Three Cheers: I doff my cap to Coach Rich Mannello of King’s. Like cross town rival Wilkes, King’s graduated a really good running back in Richard Jackson. QB Chris Barnic and the Monarchs, who endured an unreal string of tough loses, are now above .500 after likely ending Widener’s title hopes.

Please do not tip your cap or commend to this man for any accomplishment. It is true that he had an excellent game plan in place for WU. However, his other actions on Saturday should not be commended and were disgraceful to all of football. I understand that you were not at the game and did not wittness some of these acts. I did, and left the field in shock at how the game was embarassing to everyone who holds football near to thier heart. Rich Mannello brought his team out after the half and gathered them on the near hash directly in front of the WU bench. He the proceeded to taunt the WU players with comments to his team while facing the pioneer players. He later refused to shake hands after the WU players had lined up on the 50 and started to walk out onto the field. He may be doing a fine job as far as the X's and O's are concerned but he is certianly lacking in other areas as a head coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 24, 2005, 09:19:26 am
Wow - WUDLINE - it sure sounds like most of us missed something. 

Spilk - just want to say win or lose I am a proud alumnus of Lycoming College but it is hard to post on the D3 page when you are living in a tent in Africa, Iraq or Afghanistan.  It has nothing to do with Ws or Ls and everything to do with bandwidth and access to computers and webpages.

Please do not read more into this post than is intended.  I am happy for whoever's team is excelling and wish everyone nothing but good tidings.

Simba - you continuously make me smile - keep the posts coming!

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 09:31:34 am
Lyco 80-

I honestly feel that if these actions came from other teams in the MAC everyone would have gone crazy. Just like Kings did a few years ago when Ursinus refused to shake hands after an ECAC game. On a happier note. It is nice to see Lyco back winning again. I guess all of the Lyco/Coach G bashers will have to go away for another year. It is amazing how all of the sudden G remembered how to be a great Coach again. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 24, 2005, 09:43:58 am
I think G is an average coach at best, but has done a great job with superior talent.  Now that his talent is gone, looks like you find out exactly how average he is..

If you want to see good coaching, go to schools that are building tradition, and winning games without everything that G has had at Lycoming... DVC, Albright, Moravian, etc.

Lycoming is done.  Put a fork in 'em.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 10:19:21 am
patron2-
It is tough to contribute all of the games Coach G has w over the years to superior talent. I have a feeling that he/coaching may have played a role in at least a few victories. However, if we simply go by your argument then his win over Ithica makes him truely a great coach. He beat the number 8th ranked team in the country with a less talanted team. It had to simply be his coaching that day. Wins and losses are not the only thing that makes a great coach. Coach G also has managed to act with class, he is well respected by both his current and past players, and recelenty has held his team together in some very trying times.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 24, 2005, 11:06:05 am
well said WUDLINE
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 24, 2005, 12:25:31 pm
WUDLINE, Funny what you said about Manello from Kings.  After the Albright Kings game this season (Albright won on the last play) he displayed the same lack of sportsmanship.  I was in attendance for the game and from the endzone I actually heard him say "Get the F- over here dont shake their hands." as his players were on the field shaking hands.  Seems like he is a real class act.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 24, 2005, 12:26:31 pm
Sounds like a very exciting game this past Saturday between LVC and Lyco.  Congratulations to Lyco on the win.

This question is mostly directed to Warren or MOJO, but I would welcome insight from anyone with ideas.  It seems like every week there is a different leading rusher for LVC.  Does Coach Monos rotate running backs, keep switching starters, or have guys been getting injured?  More stability at that position may help correct fumbling problems.  As for the kicking situation, it doesn't seem right to pin the loss all on one player.  Football is a team game, and Lyco won the game as a team, while LVC lost the game as a team. That said, we do need to improve our kicking game for the future.  As evidenced on Saturday, making extra points is crucial.  Further, on the season we are 10/18 on extra point attempts, so this miss against Lyco was not a fluke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on October 24, 2005, 12:54:32 pm
WULINE:

You are living in a fantasy world . A very nice inaccurate account of what happened.  After the game was over Mannello wanted to talk to the Widener coach and let things settle down before the teams shook hands. He asked the referee to relay that message to the offical on the far side and he unfortunately did not do so.  So when the game ended and Mannello had his players stay on the sideline, he began to walk on the field so he could talk to Wood. Wood then assumed King's did not want to shake hands and told the team to turn back to the locker room.

After the number of near brawls, the smart thing to do was to let things cool down.

And you forgot to mention at around the 4:00 mark left in the game during another altercation when 12 to 15 Widener players came flying off the sideline racing to get at King's players on the field, several going beyond the hash mark closest to the Widener sideline.

If Mannello chose to send that game film to the conference office for review, you might very well see a number of Widener's suspended for the next game for those actions.

After seeing that, why would Mannello not be concerned that something else might happen.

Sometimes descretion is the batter part of valor. Even had Wood turner around and not wanted to shake hands, it still would not have been a bad thing considering how things played out during the game. You can try to spin it any way you want but you do not know Mannello and how he runs his program.

And your claim Mannello led the taunting when the teams returned to the field for the second half?  Well the MAC Executive Director was at the game and had Mannello done something like that, he would be suspended or seriously reprimanded by the MAC for behaving like.......

If you ever want to know about Mannello's character, all you have to do is talk to Wilkes head coach Frank Sheptock and any number of their players.  Two years ago when Wilkes beat King's badly, Mannello walked over to the entire Wilkes team and congratulated them, telling them that they "kicked our asses".

To say Mannello is unsportsmanlike is ridiculous and any claim that he would have told his players not to shake hands after the Albright game, especially when it was a cleanly played game with none of the garbage from the Widener game happening, is a complete joke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 24, 2005, 01:17:51 pm
Lyco80....I appreciate your posts but one thing...Just be safe over there...I am tired of reading and hearing of all the casualties! No need to lose anymore guys there. But that is a discussion for another day.

LVCALUM...I believe the LVC kicker is a freshman, if not I stand corrected....if he is then this tough year is just seasoning for him to accel in the next few years. He was in a tough, pressure situation Saturday that I have only read about on here. Next time he should come through just fine.


GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 01:40:18 pm
bz
You obviously most not have been watching the same game. I was standing at the gate and heard Kings taunting the WU players at the start of the half. The incident you are referring to at the four minute mark was the onsides kick. Numerous players from both sides came onto the field. Off setting penalties were called and the game moved on without any further incident.  Furthermore Wood lined up all of the WU players on the 50 to shake hands and was told by Manello no. I am not exactly sure what you are reffering to about the Albright game. I did not make any referrence to it, nor did I see it. Maybe this is a case of you seeing things a certian way because of the program you support.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 24, 2005, 03:25:09 pm
Lyco80,
I apologize for making it seem you're a fairweather friend, you have nothing but my respect for serving our country.  The three pages worth of play-by-play seemed a bit overboard. 
Simba,
My wet collar aside, you did seem much quieter when Lycoming did not have a winning streak.  if I were a kettle stirrer I could just say how much I hate them and how much they smell like poop or be like patron2.
But anyway....
I've never really seen any team in the MAC behave terribly, but when I was on the field the other team was usually too out of breath to do much talking.  Is there a team that deserves to  be called classless or dirty?

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 24, 2005, 05:03:04 pm
Spilk,

Thanks for the post and I am proud to serve the USA, in fact, many Lycoming grads, including some superior MAC football athletes are currently wearing the nation's uniform, many in the USMC.

As for the running posts - I was receiving positive feedback and encouragement offline to keep them coming.  Additionally, Empire 8 is in the habit of doing the same thing and I got caught up in the excitement with last week's game with Ithaca on their board and it sort of carried over to this week's game.

And for anyone's information - Simba was a monster player at Lycoming and his words should never be taken lightly as he has a good heart and was a tremenduous football player.

Lastly, as for putting a fork in Lycoming - appreciate the other post comeback about noting the inconsistencies with either their talent being insufficient or their coaching being phenomenal in their upset win over IC.  Or maybe - it was on account of the IC Bombers just not being that good a team?  It has to be attributed to something.  IC is a worthy opponent and Lycoming played tough football.  Maybe it is the shoes? Lycoming is not done and neither is Coach G - they may just be catching their breath for their run up to 300 wins and beyond.

All the best. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 24, 2005, 08:17:30 pm
Lyco80, remember to keep your head and ass down and to wear your Kevlar cup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 24, 2005, 08:23:40 pm
Hello Fellow Posters,
LVC's field goal / extra point kicker is a sophomore.  The running back situation at LVC appears to be a spread the wealth mentality.  Appears Coach Monas uses different kids for different situations.  Yes football is a team sport, you both win and lose as a team.  Improvement in LVC's kicking game will be required to get to the next level in the MAC.  Appears a little LYCO magic surfaced last Saturday afternoon.  A great win for the Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 25, 2005, 12:33:18 pm
Mojo,

And in all fairness to the kicker for LVC, I heard the field was in pretty rough condition - from the streaming coverage guys.

Tough way to lose or win a game.

And to all the guys who wish me safety - kevlar cup  notwithstanding - many thanks.

Despite what you read - we do have them on the run - everywhere in the world.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 25, 2005, 02:48:38 pm
Lyco80

Hang in there Bud
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 25, 2005, 02:55:42 pm
lyco good luck

as for the lvc game, the field was more than a mess, it was total slop, and might be beyond repair.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 25, 2005, 03:07:22 pm
Arnold Field was in very bad shape, even before Saturday. It was first torn up during the FDU game, 08 October. It's been raining hereabouts, at times heavily, since last night; this, no doubt, will make it even worse.

Fortunately, it won't be played on till the Albright game, 12 November. I'll check it out when I'm on campus tomorrow. [In the meantime, it's not wise to make any weather-related jokes within hearing range of the grounds crew.  ;)]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 25, 2005, 03:20:07 pm
Can anyone in here speak with any knowledge about Susquehanna?

My understanding was that they had a program that generally put them in the top 3-4 of the conference until the last couple of years.  Is the program just struggling through a tough few years, or is there something more structural to their lack of success in recent years?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 25, 2005, 05:39:14 pm
Lyco-
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 25, 2005, 05:43:45 pm
lyco80-  Sorry hit enter on last entry and didn't post anything ...  just wanted to say be careful godspeed...I'm not a mac graduate(my son attends lyco) But I serve 10 years in 11B (infantry), your service is very much appreciated. Airborne!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Winston on October 25, 2005, 08:49:43 pm
I was at the Kings Widener game and thought it was terrible. I have to say that the widener team came on the field hooting and howling and taunting the kings players. It was an awful display of sportsmanship.
The game was dirty and I am not talking about the field conditions, which by the way the coach from Widener blamed their loss on. The coach from widener displayed unsportsmanship conduct after an on side kick that did not do his way. The last I heard, the ball had to go ten yards. It did not. I filmed the game and can verify that fact. The Widener players began throwing punches at this point and the widener did nothing to stop it. He was on the field (I thought that was also not allowed) with two other coaches from his team screaming and yelling and cursing.
e had  a bad attitude from the beginning because they were losing badly.
Manello was smart to wait to shake. We all held our breath because we thought there was going to be a brawl out there.
I will agree that the refs were not the greatest but it happens. It had nothing to do with the end result. Kings outplayed Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 26, 2005, 12:58:39 am
Thank You Winston,
  It had nothing to do with the end result. Kings outplayed Widener.

 As soon as some teams lose in the MAC everyone wants to make an excuse
(Academics-Bad Fields-Good and Bad Coaches-Facilities) and whatever else

How bout ur team just got out played!!!!

Hey Widener fans look like you guys spoke to sooooon-lol- I love it

Hey ever think Wideners frustration got the best of them???
With all that pressure u guys put on them about the big showdown in doylestown.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 26, 2005, 08:07:00 am
Boy did I miss some things this week...

The last few years WU always seems to shoot themselves in the foot by losing a few tough games they could win...

Bossman

Appreciate the taunt, but that wasn't all of us...if you recall, I stated we should "wait and see" with this WU team (but I guess that wouldn't look as good in you post huh....)

Lyco 80  stay safe and thanks...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 26, 2005, 10:20:48 am
Congrats to DelVal on all of their success. But to have them ranked ahead of Mount Union is an absolute joke, it really is. They are on an entirely different level, and for them to drop to 9th is a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 26, 2005, 12:18:58 pm
chum slam what poll are you referring to? i have looked at dIII.com and don hansen's and in both polls dvc is ranked behind mount union..... ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 26, 2005, 12:26:02 pm
Front page of this site, right hand side in red.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 26, 2005, 01:31:13 pm
AFCA Coachs poll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 26, 2005, 01:37:13 pm
Pursuant to the Susquehanna issue, per sources close to the program, they need drastic improvement at the QB position.  In my mind the one kid that could make a difference in that program, has been injured the last two seasons.  I am amazed that even in a D3 program, every school would not have a reasonably proficient QB and backups.  I also make that statement concerning extra point kickers.  Albeit, D3 football, but college football non the less.  Hope I havn't offended anyone here, but if you wanna be a lumberjack, you better be able to hold up your end of the log.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2005, 03:22:12 pm
MOJO:

In a year or two, the MAC room will find most discussions about Susquehanna irrelevant. By that time, the Crusaders be the Liberty League's "problem," as it were.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 26, 2005, 03:23:43 pm
Warren,

  Actually I was asking about Susquehanna as a LL school alum?  I had heard that they used to have a decent program but have struggled the last few years.

  I am trying to see if there is much of an improvement for the strength of the conference by, in effect, swapping Coast Guard for Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 26, 2005, 03:33:31 pm
The real question is does Susquehanna have posters that can hang with the studs in the LL board?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 26, 2005, 03:37:38 pm
I'm pretty sure the answer is no. 

Do they at least have a stupid mascot that makes hobart's look good?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 26, 2005, 08:10:08 pm
Well, well, it appears as if all the chatter about who is jumping ship from the MAC was right after all.  Juniata and Moravian to the Centennial and Susquehanna to Liberty.  I am curious as to what my fellow posters think about this development.

Will this move signal a desertion from the MAC in other sports?  Is this truly about wins and losses, or is something else afoot?  I am most surprised by Susquehanna's move as it forces their non-scholarship student-athletes into a much more rigorous travel situation - something that, at least on the surface, seems to be in contradiction to the lofty academic pursuits they like to claim for themselves.

I find the whole thing a bit amusing - this notion that one MAC school is somehow more virtuous than others - whether it is in regard to athletics, academics or facilities.  All this posturing strikes me as marketing and business and makes me wonder if other business concerns are at work such as assets and liabilities.  In other words, are these schools using a conference shift as a cosmetic makeover to address other concerns?

Make no mistake about it - higher education postures itself as a lofty pursuit - but in the end - it is as much a business as General Motors or General Dynamics with a product and a consumer.  It will be interesting to see what transpires in the next decade or so.  By the way, can anybody tell me whatever became of Upsala?????

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on October 26, 2005, 11:27:10 pm
While I assume your query about Upsala was rhetorical, nonetheless half the college is now East Orange Campus High School, and the other was leveled to build a housing project. If you want to see it one last time rent the 2001 film "Riding in Cars with Boys" with James Woods and Drew Barrymore – it was filmed on the empty campus.

...and I vote for TCNJ to join the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 27, 2005, 01:43:57 am
Thanks for the coast to coast support of D3 All American Quarterback Brett Elliot.  The candidate has received over 1,000 votes since being nominated for the Heisman.  The vote total puts Elliot in 7th place out of 41 candidates.  Thanks to all who have cast their ballots in support of a D3 candidate.  If you have not yet voted you may cast your ballot at www.voteforheisman.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 27, 2005, 07:42:11 am
Phil:

On behalf of LVC and the remnants of the MAC, I hereby accept your vote. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 12:55:19 pm
Not that it's a huge deal, but it looks like the MAC would have to amend its bylaws for TCNJ to join.  Right now the bylaws indicate members must be "private colleges."

On another note, the Doylestown Intelligencerdid a great story on Del Val QB Adam Knoblauch.  It's a very good story about his unique journey.

You can read that here (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-10272005-561139.html)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 27, 2005, 01:36:41 pm
I'm pretty sure the answer is no. 

Do they at least have a stupid mascot that makes hobart's look good?

There is no stupid mascot that could make the Hobart stupid mascot look good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 27, 2005, 01:37:33 pm
Well then why are we taking them?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 27, 2005, 02:16:04 pm
Knightstalker

What is Hobarts mascot??


Gordo....The Philadelphis Daily News also did a nice article for Knoblauch
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 27, 2005, 02:28:56 pm
Here is the Hobart  Mascot  (http://www.hws.edu/news/sports/showrelease.asp?id=2594)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 27, 2005, 02:30:10 pm
Gordon:

Given the recent defections, perhaps the MAC Bonzen might look favorably on the addition of an academically and athletically sound venue such as TCNJ.

[If laws are meant to be broken, then by-laws are meant to be revised.  ;)]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 27, 2005, 04:03:51 pm
a very nice and classy quote from coach G about knoblauch in the article. i dont know when we will see the likes of him again he certainly can do it all and most important lead a team
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 04:20:07 pm
Warren:

Works for me.  A good school, nice facilities, a short drive. Check, check and check. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 27, 2005, 04:22:17 pm
it looks like Susquehanna will have to play with another BRIGHT orange team.  looks like coaches in the MAC will have to start looking for non-conference games.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 27, 2005, 08:01:13 pm
Not that it's a huge deal, but it looks like the MAC would have to amend its bylaws for TCNJ to join.  Right now the bylaws indicate members must be "private colleges."

On another note, the Doylestown Intelligencerdid a great story on Del Val QB Adam Knoblauch.  It's a very good story about his unique journey.

You can read that here (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-10272005-561139.html)

Gordon...

Now everyone knows where "the land of running water" is and what Yings & Wings mean... :) ...Well almost everyone...Nice of you to share the most recent story with the "board members" on what we in Schuylkill County knew for some time...A great story about a great kid with a great coal-region work ethic...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 27, 2005, 08:21:15 pm
Trenton State aka TCNJ in the MAC?  Cats and Dogs living together?  Can anyone tell me the real whereabouts of Daniel Simpson Day? 

But seriously, I do appreciate the Upsala answer.  And yes the question was purely rhetorical.  One wonders if we shall have similar anecdotes for Juniata in the future too.

Additionally, can any of you starters with a gazillion posts show me where the Centennial League posts their observations? 

I cannot seem to find them anywhere on here.

And, I am still hoping some of you will opine in regards to the "abandon hope all ye who enter here" approach to the MAC of the three programs exiting.  Are we to believe this is really about football?  Or is this merely a ploy by their leadership to attempt to market their schools in ways different than before to address other fiscal matters?  Just wondering what their enrollment, endowment, etc is for the schools' in question and what the future bodes. 

Upsala played some competitive football against Lycoming and others back when they were operational. 

Just wondering MAC posters . . .  Any thoughts?

All the best.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 27, 2005, 09:02:11 pm
Lyco80...

I believe their leadership all feel that the move will improve their rankings in next year's US News & World Report...After all, that's what they're seeking, a level playing field right?....Seems to them that all the fields other than their own have a huge crown running down the middle of them in the MAC...Even the new next-turf field at Albright!...I guess they are just tired of tripping over those crowns every year... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 10:12:19 pm
Lyco80:

You'll find the Centennial Conference's message board under South Region Teams and Conferences.  Despite the geographical proximity, the MAC and CC are in different regions.

And from my conversations with people at Susquehanna, their move is motivated by the football program's strategy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 27, 2005, 11:23:33 pm
The 3 MAC teams leaving are leaving primarily because of academics. It's no secret that Presidents want to associate with schools of other "similar missions"...
I too am surprised by Sus's choice of the Liberty League. For a school that preaches academics - yet is denied by the "academic" Centennial - I can't believe they are going to create a situation where their football team will have a least 4 overnights a year. That's a lot of missed class time on Fridays.
What will be even more interesting is what this all does to the league. Remember, there's more than just football.
Since the MAC will not let the 3 defectors remain in the league for their other sports, what do they do about that?
Do they all work together to find a new conference, with say - Drew, E-town, Messiah, and 2 more schools? What then happens to the MAC?
Is everyone else going to let all this posturing take place? When the music stops playing, I'm sure a few other MAC schools don't want to be left standing with the remaining MAC members...The next few months will determine if there even is a MAC next year.
Phil - I'd love to see CNJ in the conference. However, I think you've got a better chance of seeing bigfoot.
In addition to what Gordon posted, wouldn't CNJ also need state of NJ permission? Also, while the academics more than match up - no private school that's not in the NESCAC would ever even think of slugging it out for student-athletes with CNJ. I can picture this recruiting trip at say, Lycoming. "So coach G, why should I come to Lyco again?"
- Because you'll get a great education and a change to compete for a conf. title and playoffs"
"Yeah, but coach G, CNJ's facilities(overall) blow yours away, their school is of higher academic prestige and they cost less than half of what Lyco does!"
Obviously, this applies to all of the MAC schools, not just Lyco.
Phil, all you need to do is get them to raise tuition another 10K and then maybe the MAC will consider it :)

Have a great weekend everyone. No injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 27, 2005, 11:53:12 pm
ok.  I'm a little confused here.  Why would the D3 top 25 have the following:

#4 - Rowan
#8 - Delaware Valley
#23 - Hobart

but then in the regional rankings:

1 - Rowan
2 - Hobart
3 - Delaware Valley

What am I missing here?  Why would Del Val be ranked so high nationally but then not be ranked 2nd in regional rankings ahead of Hobart?   ??? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 12:43:14 am
Just happened to blog about that:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=130
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 28, 2005, 08:33:16 am
Knightstalker

The Hobart mascot seems ok as far as mascots go...Have you ever layed eyes on the Aggie Mascot??? It is right there also.

GO AGGIES!!!!

AGGIES   24     Kings  17
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on October 28, 2005, 10:48:19 am
Bill,
Of course I'm dreaming, but I think TCNJ is a far better fit athletically and academically with MAC schools rather than schools like Montclair (they plan to have 18,000 by 2008) and Kean (12,000 students).

The costs for out of state students to attend TCNJ are about $5,000 less than tuition, room and board at Lyco – but 80% of Lyco students receive financial aid. Lyco's roster has about 100 student athletes from Pennsylvania and 7 from New Jersey. TCNJ has 72 student athletes from New Jersey and ZERO from Pennsylvania (Lyco has 40 more kids on their roster). Given these statistics and the difficult admission policies at TCNJ (1300 everage SAT and 48% acceptance rate), I doubt that the addition of TCNJ to the MAC would cause much in the way of recruiting problems.

I also think that the NJAC schools have the autonomy to make any decisions they choose about conference affiliation. NJCU tried to leave the NJAC for the NY-based Skyline conference a couple years ago. Of course, they made the brilliant move of officially leaving the NJAC before they secured a spot in the Skyline (the Skyline told them to go scratch), and were left to play as an independent in all sports before regaining NJAC admission this season.

C'mon, it makes sense – and they have a nice mascot!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 28, 2005, 12:14:21 pm
nationally hobart is a little underrated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 28, 2005, 01:09:05 pm
Nationally Hobart hasn't done very much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 01:27:22 pm
They got beat as badly as Delaware Valley and have 3 playoff appearances in the last five years. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 02:47:06 pm
Yet Delaware Valley has a playoff win against a team not from the NEFC on its resume.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 02:47:59 pm
Oops, sorry, two wins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 28, 2005, 02:49:12 pm
Yet Delaware Valley has a playoff win against a team not from the NEFC on its resume.

In the LL that's when we declare 'oh snap!'. Don't worry Hobart fans, your time will come.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 02:54:15 pm
They've only gotten NEFC schools and the eventual regional champs each time.  Widener, JCU and Rowan.  I'm still waiting to get to see them play a CC, MAC or AFCA school in the playoffs.  I don't see where it made sense to have Hobart playing NEFC schools those two years.  They weren't the best team in the region and shouldn't have been playing the worst. 

My point was simpmly that Delaware Valley hasn't done anything nationally either.  Hobart has beaten Ithaca two of the last 4 times they played in this millenium.  That's as good as a  win over Muhlenberg or SJF.  Somehow, though, DelValley is in the top 10.  The MAC has probably been traditionally stronger than the LL teams, but they aren't in a position to draw a Pool C this year (and I don't think the scheduling has that much to do with it).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 28, 2005, 02:56:13 pm
2-3 in the last 5 years in the dance, yea real good.

Ktroutvon - Del Val had more wins in the playoffs in one year than Hobart has in 5.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:03:11 pm
Who said it was real good.  It's a start.  Del Valley had two playoff wins last year.  Shenandoah and SJF, both close games. 

They have had two good years.  There is an inherent inconsistency to some programs getting the benefit of the doubt based on past reputation (Ithaca and to some extent, Union as examples) while other programs that come out of nowhere are also given that same benefit of the doubt (DelValley & SJF for example).  Which one is it going to be? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:05:25 pm
I still haven't said that Hobart has done anything nationally.  They have however been in the playoffs prior to being in a pool A conference.  They have basically been horrible for the first 90-95 years of their existence.  The only other decent year they had was in 1993 when they were invited to the NCAA's but declined due to being in trimesters and having finals interfere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 03:12:30 pm
Who said it was real good.  It's a start.  Del Valley had two playoff wins last year.  Shenandoah and SJF, both close games. 

They have had two good years.  There is an inherent inconsistency to some programs getting the benefit of the doubt based on past reputation (Ithaca and to some extent, Union as examples) while other programs that come out of nowhere are also given that same benefit of the doubt (DelValley & SJF for example).  Which one is it going to be? 

An objective observer would point out that Delaware Valley and St. John Fisher won playoff games against non-NEFC teams (or non-IBFC teams, if talking about a Midwest team).

Plus St. John Fisher plays and beats Brockport State, and has actually played Ithaca in the past two years. You talk about Ithaca but haven't beaten them since 2002. Fisher beat them last year and took them to overtime on the road this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:26:33 pm
Which would take us back to the fact that Hobart hasn't had an opportunity to play mid-level teams in the playoffs.  Its either NEFC or the regional champ.  While I am biased a (as opposed to anyone else here), I feel pretty confident in saying that Hobart would've been fine against Shenandoah or Muhlenberg.  Do they get the benefit of the doubt because the NCAA's have created the region the way that they did (regarding last year since that is all we're now talking about) over teams that don't get that opportunity?

As far as scheduling in the regular season, there isn't a single person involved with this site who has any influence over how AD's budget or handle scheduling.  I've said before, when I played we had ten games.  Dickinson (who was decent), F&M, Union, RPI, Ithaca, U of R, SJF, Hartwick, SLU and Alfred.  If we played that schedule today we'd be fine.  Instead of IC, SJF and AU it's WPI, CGA and KP with no 10th game.  I don't know why its changed and I doubt anyone here can say give a exact answer on it. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 28, 2005, 03:38:33 pm
But seriously, I do appreciate the Upsala answer.  And yes the question was purely rhetorical.  One wonders if we shall have similar anecdotes for Juniata in the future too.

So because Juniata does not have as strong a football traditiion as Lycoming they are going to go out of business?  I think their strong academic tradition is what prompted this move and what is will probably keep the doors open.

I am disappointed they are mocing to the CC, but it is a league in which they fit better than the MAC.  It seems there are too many schools in the MAC, including E-town, Messiah, and Drew, to ever disband the conference.  However, if the football conference were to disband, joining a totally different conference may work out best rather than being a 'football-only member' of another. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 28, 2005, 05:24:43 pm
To Phil,

90% of Lycoming students receive some form of financial aid - I know I am on the alumni board and this word is from President Douthat.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 06:07:48 pm
Instead of IC, SJF and AU it's WPI, CGA and KP with no 10th game.  I don't know why its changed and I doubt anyone here can say give a exact answer on it. 

Well, I can't tell you why Hobart doesn't want to give its student-athletes the most games it's allowed to, but obviously you're playing WPI, CGA and KP because you are requred to. They're conference teams. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 28, 2005, 07:58:35 pm
splik

I see your point about teams leaving the MAC, but think of it this way:
If schools want to be with others of like minded academic missions, why wouldn't quality academic schools like Drew, Messiah, and E-town join with Juniata, Moravian, and Susquehanna band together to form a conference (without football, of course)? Then, they could get 2 other quality schools, like a Stevens (for example) and have the NCAA AQ for all of their other sports....
You'd have a very competitive academic conference...
Oh well. We'll see what happens soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 28, 2005, 08:17:30 pm
Programming note...

Delaware Valley battles the King's College Monarchs, fresh off their upset of Widener last week.

Catch the action at www.sportsjuice.com starting with pregame at 12:30 and kickoff at 1 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 28, 2005, 08:30:51 pm
If the regional rankings "Bart#2, DVC#3 stay, then both teams will meet in the regional semis.  The NCAA, as stated, goes by record only when seeding many teams.  Why Hobart is over DVC is beyond me, unless they figure that the win over RPI( another ranked region team) is better than any DVC win to date. 

My question would be DVC was ranked #2 last year(East) what has changed?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 28, 2005, 09:58:15 pm
youu have a point bill
if you mean joining a conference and ending the football program, I doubt that would happen.  Moravian and Susquehanna have been competitive too recently to ever do that.  Juniata has enough football alumni (aka Chuck Knox, who donated $1 million recently) to prevent that from happening, hopefully.  I think it helps that there is a conference claiming "academic superiority" in close geographic proximity, especially in the case of Moravian whose biggest rival is in the CC. 

You're also right, we'll all just wait and see in 2007 and beyond. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 28, 2005, 10:16:00 pm
From what I hear (from a person who's close to the scene), further defections from the MAC can't be ruled out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2005, 02:17:59 am
The audio highlight reel of last weekend's Delaware Valley-Susquehanna game (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d) is posted for those who are interested.

Also, don't forget that Del Val will have a BIG test with King's in town tomorrow.  The Monarchs have some very impressive numbers and are a desparation pass loss to Albright away from being right in the hunt for the title.

The game will be at www.sportsjuice.com starting at 1 PM.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2005, 11:28:03 am
Ok it's true...I plan on defecting from the MAC :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2005, 11:35:32 am
bman:

Aha! Defecting from the MAC, are you? Doubtless to form an all-Amish athletic conference (likely name: "The Horse-and-Buggy League") ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2005, 11:52:53 am
That would be an interesting game to call...

Stoltzfus back to pass...he connects with...well um...Stoltzfus, and he goes for 4 yards before being tackled by ...Stoltzfus...and I think Lapp got an assist there....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2005, 12:58:52 pm
bman:

And the leading coach in such a league likely would be named Othmar Huehnerschuetz ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rowdy Rowdy Bomber on October 29, 2005, 02:15:54 pm
lycoming score?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2005, 02:21:01 pm
Lyco up 7-3 in first half
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:35:21 pm
Lycoming up 10-6 at the half.  Lycoming dominating play with 22 minutes of possession to Moravian's 8.  Moravian has only thirteen yards rushing in the first half.

C'mon Lyco - post some points - make the time count.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on October 29, 2005, 02:38:25 pm
Wow.  It's frustrating to control possession that much but keep the other team in the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:49:49 pm
Lycoming roughing the passer wipes out an INT and Moravian keeps the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:58:01 pm
Moravian up 13-10, drive sustained by roughing the passer penalty and pass interference totaling 30 yards for the Greyhounds.

Ball to Lycoming . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:01:42 pm
3rd and 15 and big pass play to Brown for a first down . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:06:00 pm
Lycoming punt to the Moravian 8 yd line.

Let's Go Defense - turnover time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:27:50 pm
Kings 19 - Del Val 21

Lycoming's Laky to the 4yd line . . . first and goal Lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:28:29 pm
56 yard pick-up . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:44:01 pm
Lycoming scores to take the lead 17-13.

Moravian turns ball over on downs.

Time for some ball-control with 8 minutes it the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on October 29, 2005, 03:45:12 pm
Any more word from Del Val?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 29, 2005, 03:47:48 pm
looks like widener took out their frustration on Juniata this weekend. 
sounds like Moravian-Lycoming is a good game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:50:32 pm
Ball on Lycoming 35 yd line - Greyhounds with great field position.

Warrior magic may be needed again - INTERCEPTION!!!!!! Touchback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:51:09 pm
Zebras rule ball on ground at 3 despite one official ruling touchback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:53:21 pm
Mangold picks up a big first down - less than 5 minutes to go . . . tick, tick, tick.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:58:16 pm
Moravian out of time outs - Lycoming ball 2nd and 8.  3:12 to play - 3rd and 8 to go, Smith tackled short of marker.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:59:28 pm
2:19 on Lycoming 49 yd line - Moravian ball

Time for Warrior D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:03:02 pm
Moravian at the 11 yd line - pass incomplete into the endzone.

Pass the pepto-bismol.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:03:36 pm
Red Dog results in an incomplete pass . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:04:04 pm
3rd down pass incomplete - 4th and ten
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:04:55 pm
Tight end catches the ball but short of five yard line and short of the first down.  Ball over on downs to the Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:07:17 pm
Lycoming gains two yards bringing up a 2nd and 8, Smith kneels down, clock continues to run, 33 seconds to go, Smith takes another knee.

Warriors Win to get to .500

That fork must not be either very deep or very sharp.  They appear to have some life in them after all.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 29, 2005, 08:10:46 pm
My thoughts on today's trip to "Billtown"...
The sun came out around 11am & the foliage throughout the day was truely a Kodak moment...
The Zebra's were terrible for both teams today to the extent that you were looking for a flag on every play...
Fans on both sides were screaming "Let them play!"...
The tailgate parties along the fence were numerous and very sociable and Yuengling still looks to be the #1 choice...
As a matter of fact, Dick Yuengling will be returning to Lyco Weds Nov 16th, 7pm at the Heim Auditorium to be the featured speaker of a nationally sponsored business lecture series (saw the advertisement on a b-board in the SUB after the game)...
Lyco's defense made the plays when they had to and especially at the end when the game was on the line...
Lyco's O-line was good protecting the QB but run blocking still needs to improve...
Lyco's Soph QB Glen Smith is a gritty, hard nosed player who is going to be a MAC leader in '06 & '07...
He can run & pass and you can see him making better decisions every week as the season progresses...
Both teams showed the utmost respect for each other during the game...Good sportsmanship examples could be seen throughout the contest and especially at the end....Simba

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 30, 2005, 01:33:51 am
Any reports on Carmon from Del Val....He left the game right before half...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ullneverknow on October 30, 2005, 02:15:49 am
big win by lyco today
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 02:20:08 am
I'm sure he appreciates the vote of confidence (regardless of how you think he spells his name), but he probably doesn't want you posting. But who am I to Judge?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on October 30, 2005, 08:20:26 am
On the Moravian/Lyco game.  The officials were probably the worst collection of incompetent individuals ever to put on stripes.  24 penalties for well over 200 yards.  The game moved at a snails pace and both teams were affected by it.  Bad calls, no calls, holdings, overly-sensitive unsportsmanlike's on both sides and others that could have been called from 1,000 yards away, an ineligible receiver downfield that negated a touchdown. 

For the good of the game, this crew should be disbanded and prevented from ruining the sport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 10:58:14 am
big win by lyco today

 « Last Edit: Today at 02:22:14 AM by ullneverknow »

The freshman tried to eliminate his freshman mistake by editing his post after I commented on it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 30, 2005, 11:02:11 am
ok
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 30, 2005, 04:11:07 pm
Posters,
Nice to see those Warriors winning.  No, not the LYCO of the past where they would blow teams out, but give these kids credit, there finding ways to win.  As an ex Warrior, and having a son that played for Coach G for one season, prior to transferring to LVC, be assured that Coach G is still at the top of his game and a class act.  Keep the faith Warrior fans.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2005, 11:49:36 am
congrats to aggies another win as they march onward!!! this week a tough opponent in widener!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 31, 2005, 12:07:43 pm
Dude check your schedule.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2005, 12:33:08 pm
oops meant in 2 weeks...this week i would be more than surprised if juniata puts of much of a fight. Latest info on carmon i saw was a dislocated shoulder out a number of weeks no eta officially on when he will return yet. mangus said initially they play him in spots when he comes back
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 01, 2005, 03:16:49 pm
upbrmeasap
let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.  I'm not pedicting DVC to lose, but nobody thought the kid with the slingshot could knock that Goliath guy out either. 
If DVC were to lose out the season, however unlikely, who is the next most likely to go to the playoffs? 
My guess is Wilkes, but they have their rivalry game with a tough opponent at the end of the year.  Of course none of it really matters if DVC does as expected. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2005, 04:18:47 pm
lol... good stuff splik.....i think knoblauch gets the record this weekend and an impressive record it is 10000/1000
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 02, 2005, 08:52:09 am
just wishful thinking....
at least my team is smarter than your team!   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2005, 10:45:35 am
LOL!!  oh yeah well our wrestling team can whallop your wrestling team take that you brains!!! muscle is better than brains any day of the weak... ;)     (yes i know i spelled weak wrong i.e. week)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 02, 2005, 11:19:22 am
you spelled wallop wrong too! 
if DVC wraps up the MAC this weekend, is everybody else trying out for an ECAC game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2005, 01:46:15 pm
was typing quick ....i think so not sure who the contenders would be for ecac...widener and what others?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 02, 2005, 04:44:38 pm
ECAC is a joke, I hope Widener does not accept an invite.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 02, 2005, 04:47:32 pm
yeah i remember the good ol'days when we got the shaft in 2002.  being 9-1 and ranked 9th in the country is just  not good enough to get in the playoffs.  well atleast they they saved some room for some 6-4 and 7-3 unranked teams.  hopefully the 4 extra pool c bids will help the better teams in d3. if widener can run the table for the next 2 weeks maybe the panel will be more generous this time around

get the top teams in!!! ;http://
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 02, 2005, 05:12:40 pm
Chum:

Consider that the ECAC playoffs are a "joke" for everyone except the players participating in them. Post-season play of any sort is valuable experience, I'd think.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 02, 2005, 05:24:04 pm
Agreed.  Additionally, for many players, seniors, those who may find themselves with severe injuries in the next season, an ECAC playoff may be their last hurrah.  Playing is playing and for all athletes, particularly D3, the final gun sounds soon enough.  I say - play on if at all possible and enjoy the sport while you are able because you get old way too soon.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 02, 2005, 05:51:07 pm
Well said, Lyco80. And for those players who'll return the following season, the ECACs provide excellent learning experience v. teams they don't ordinarily play. I suspect D3 regions beyond the ECAC often wish they had something similar.

To put it another way, some post-season play, even if it's not the NCAAs, is infinitely better than no post-season play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 02, 2005, 05:54:53 pm
sounds like someone has a grudge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 02, 2005, 09:50:09 pm
I agree with Lyco80 and Mr. Thompson, a ECAC bowl game is very important to a program...if u look back the year Kings won the MAC title.. the year b4 they won a ECAC game and just like DVC.... they won the MAC after winning  a ECAC game.....

Any extra games is important.....

By the way it is a very long shot for Widener to get a Pool C bid.....sorry to say not this year....

By the way speaking of Widener what has happen since their glory days...????
Zwann leaving ???? Coach Wood??? the players themselves??? or academics???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 03, 2005, 01:25:58 am
i agree to some point that the ecac game is effective for a program in most situations, usually for a team on the rise like del val and kings were b4 they won the mac crown; however, i dont think any player or coach from wideners 2002 team cared about the ecac bid that was turned down.

wideners glory days are not the same the past few years bc they dont have the same athletes esp. ones like jones, colman, quarter backs, decent line and a solid defense.  not to say that widener dosent have the above now, its just that thier superstars are young. i believe if thier is sombody who can fill lomas's shoes next year they should be a playoff team. 

zwaan is a great coach  that brought in great talant, wood is also a great coach that brought in great talent that needs another year to grow. 

if widener wins out and does not get a bid 2 the dance,  an ecasc game would be very good for thier program and its future











Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 09:16:55 am
ECAC games are the NIT Tournaments of football. They are for teams not good enough to get into the playoffs. Only the best will do. I was on that 9-1 2002 Widener team and we got the shaft. Coach Zwaan turned down the ECAC because it was a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 03, 2005, 09:25:05 am
What type of offensive team does Widener have?  It seems like they were balanced in the win aganist Juniata. 

It should be an interesting game this weekend at Salisbury since both teams come into the game with two losses, and any chance of post season chances are "riding" running the table on the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 03, 2005, 09:33:59 am
Its official Orihel needs surgery, he's done for the year.   Now it gets interesting.  How far can they go?  As it stands (with no lineup changes), I think they can take the East region.

Thought this might spark some interesting conversation. Previously I had heard Orihel was only going to be out 4 weeks. That's a shame for him.

Good luck to the Aggies this week as they can wrap up the MAC and their bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 03, 2005, 09:34:44 am
Chum:

Don't generalize on the basis of one unhappy experience. A 9-1 Pioneer team may have been "shafted," but the ECAC offer can hardly be seen as a "slap in the face." Any slaps received originated from Indianapolis.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on November 03, 2005, 10:22:27 am
chum

its interesting about your view of the NIT....check this out might suprise you http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/nit.html

a game is a game and should be taken as an opportunity i understand the 2002 Widener decline as a matter of principle but this years team isnt quite what the 2002 team was....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 02:08:58 pm
I understand your point of view, but for myself and my teammates second best is not good enough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 03, 2005, 02:52:34 pm
Wonderful article about Adam Knoblauch on the front page!

Way to go Adam!  Good luck on Saturday!


Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 03, 2005, 03:03:15 pm
I have to agree with Chum here...Although not connected to the team(with no inside info)...) I was glad that we did not accept that ECAC bid.

Also I was not aware that Zwaan made that decision...I always thought it was a school decision...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 03:20:21 pm
Ultimately it came down to us. We said no. Therefore Zwaan said no, Great coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 03, 2005, 07:49:17 pm
Hey Chum Chum,
was that ur senior year?

If so, any football player i know or myself for that much would do anything to play another game...ecac or whatever it was......

I also think it is selfish to take away playoff style experience away from the younger players which is the teams future

And since 2002 widener has not seen the playoffs maybe they should have taken advantage of the game for the younger players and the future?????

As i said b4 look at the positive influence it had on dvc and kings b4 their title runs......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 03, 2005, 11:51:55 pm
sory bossman i was on that 2002 team that got shafted.  as a senior i wanted no parts of that ecac game.  being nationally ranked at 9. with only one loss on the road to a team that shared the mac title with us. not 2 mention kings only had 198 yard against in that victory, it was a slap in the face. you dont turn down a 9-1 team that made 2 great runs at the stagg bowl the previous years.  turning that ecec game down was a great idea bc we felt that we went out like champs regardless of the panel of decision makers that failed to get the top teams in the dance.

its these situations that made the ncaa give the dance 4 more pool c bids

what would our team get out of playing a 7-3 moravian team again? 

thier was no emotion for any significant player to show up and practice for an ecac game. esp when thier is a 6-4 christopher newport team that is getting ready for a real playoff game  oh and i think we played them first round the year b4 and it was a silly game 48-0 at half.  it looked like a circus.  no disrespect to the cnu program.




*oh and my final thought for this topic...  if the younger players needed more work play a jv game or something.  dont take away the pride that them seniors had on thier last game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 01:27:46 am
Unfortunately, Zoolander, we knew you weren't getting that NCAA bid. In all four playoff projections we did in 2002, Widener was on the outside looking in. It was clearly strength of schedule.

Of course we got merciless crap from Widener fans (aka players posting on the board and their parents) for our alleged bias.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 08:10:48 am
As an Ithaca player who played in an ECAC game I can mirror some of the thoughts of some people on here.  In 1996 we started out 7-1 (7-0 d3) and nationally ranked on our way to the playoffs untill losing our last two games.

We got an ECAC bid and to be honest, the game didnt mean anything and a lot of us were so disapointed that our season ended that way.  We had key starters hurt, and many people didnt want to play in a game that didnt matter.  We all went to Ithaca college for a chance to win a national championship. As past teams had done.

Looking back, Im glad we played in that ECAC game.  The school was invited, and we accepted the invatation.  We arent any better than any one else just because we missed the ncaas.  Sure it was disapointing, but the ecac games are part of eastern division 3 football. 

To turn down the bid would be selfish, and arrogant in my opinion.  Looking back Im glad we did it.  If we turned it down I would have been embarrassed.

Again, thats just my opinion.  At the time, we werent up for the game, but its up to the team and coaches to expliain the importance of this game and get the team prepared for it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 04, 2005, 09:16:15 am
Great post Johnny Utah! Glad to see someone with a little sanity and great perspective post on this subject!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 09:41:42 am
guys

You know it's funny...you accuse these kids as having sour grapes etc...

Ask ANY member of the 1972 Olympic basketball team, if they regret not standing or accepting their medals after having the gold taken from them, and I would bet none of them do for a minute....what is different here?

For these kids, it's a bureaucracy taking something away, rather than refs...but the point is still the same....

And for us older folks (And don't start the conspiracy crap) there has been a history of WU getting the short end of the stick with the NCAA...ie... the 2001 WU team not getting a home game against a BW team that came from nowhere... Gee I wonder why?  Maybe from some ouside influence?...Quote from NCAA president's council meeting...."There is a strong consensus among the Presidents Council that we ought to limit the growth of the membership in Division III.  The council is concerned about the division’s numbers for all sorts of reasons,” said Phillip Stone, president at Bridgewater College and chair of the Division III Presidents Council. " ...looks like backroom politics to me...

Or we can go back to 87, or 78 when the defending natl champs were not invited to the play-offs....

yes I for one am glad they did not participate...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 10:14:35 am
bman, the referees are different than when a selection commitee picks a game.  In 2002 Widener lost to Kings College for cryin out loud, and then they had close games with average opponents.  Rowan got screwed in 01, and they have gripe 10000X more legitimate than the 2002 widener team.

Granted the 2001 team was a different team, but they still lost to mt union by a half a hundred.

Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good.

You have to look at the teams that get in over widener...they deserved it more because they didnt lose any crappy games and blew out some good teams.  Thats the way the system is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 10:16:37 am
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 10:50:08 am
pat , i recall u predicting widener not making it in to the ncaa's,
strength of schedual could have been the x factor, however, kings 8-2 record and out of conference loss to a ok hatrford team didnt help. also, we  should have recieved a bye in 2001 and played  bridgwater at home. 

we thought we had a good chance to get in bc of our past 2 seasons and our current record, although the favor was returned to lyco in 2003, ur welcome guys,  and in reply to the "your welcome guys" most of them said thanx...

now jonny, if my team went 7-3, it would  foolish to turn down a ecac game.  like i said, what would our 2002 team get out of playing a moravian team that we already defeated. we beat moravian four straight years, nobody cared to make it five.  we wanted another shot at the national championship bc we deserved 2 be there.
PTI ERRORS JONNY!!!  wideners loss to mt. union was in the final four and it was in 2000. and we lost by 4 decades, not half a century.  oh n the 2002 kings team that u speak of shared the confrence title with widener and did pretty well in the playoffs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:11:44 am
Jonny

"Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good."

What year was that???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:12:12 am
why would it be foolish to turn down an ECAC game?  We went to the national semifinals 2 years before (and lost on a last minute touchdown, not a 70-whatever pasting) and we all went to Ithaca to win a national championship.  the ecac isnt affialited with the ncaa, they invite the best teams to play in thier games that dont make the playoffs.

We were 7-3 but one loss was to a d2 team (which pat says dont count, Im still not sure if the ncaa looked at this loss, im thinking they would) and the other loss was to buffalo st after we already new the playoffs were gone, because as you know....

one loss teams sometimes dont make the playoffs.

2002 widener was invited to play in a postseason game.  They turned it down.  What did a 7-3 Ithaca team thats won 3 national championships and was a top 5 team in the middle of the year get out of an ECAC game?  ECAC games are traditional games that have been played since the early 1980s.  

Ok, so Kings college in 2002 lost to Hartwick and Lycoming during the regular season.

Hartwick lost to Ithaca and RPI in close games.  

Can you take widener over hartwick?  the ncaa took kings over hartwick.  How did that happen? Hartwick played a tougher schedule and deserved to go over both those teams as the mac had a down year..

Like I said, what did Ithaca care about an ecac game in 96?  You really didnt have any chance of a national championship in 01 either the score wasnt even close.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:13:20 am
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.

the 78 team probably was the best team in the nation that year....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:15:29 am
Jonny

"Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good."

What year was that???


that year was 2002.  Ok, I wont call Kings College average, but they werent great.  Kings lost to Hartwick.  then widener didnt play any good nonconference games that might have helped them.  And they lost to Kings! that was their chance.  If you dont play a tough schedule, you need to go undefeated or have one loss to a good nonleague team to make it.

Hate to tell ya, but Widener didnt prove anything in 2001.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:19:03 am
1978???

oh man, how did widener get shafted that year?  Did they beat wittenberg during the regular season and then not get invited because of a close loss to Bloomsberg at home or something?

Just win the game you are supposed to win and you go
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:21:13 am
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.

the 78 team probably was the best team in the nation that year....


If Mount Union didnt put in their third team in the fourth quarter in 2001, they PROBABLY could have won the game 110-30.

but the word probably is kinda lame and champions dont use that word
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:29:48 am
Jonny

You are missing the point...they felt slighted by the NCAA(which is a joke), and chose not to participate in a seconday game that had no meaning.

I don't feel they should have to defend themselves for that decision....

PS how do YOU know they wouln't have beaten Witt?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:44:11 am
No bman, you can feel slighted by the ncaa, but the ecac has nothing to do with the ncaa.  Do the ecac games ever have a meaning? 

ECAC is an orgainization that promotes eastern intercollegiate athletic sports and it gives out awards every year to the top players in the east.  Widener is a member of the ECAC. The ECAC invited Wideners football team to play in a postseason game, (a game I might add, is a traditional game that has been played for many years before.)

Widener basically told them they didnt want anything to do with them that year, because they thought they deserved to go to the ncaas.  I just dont think its right, and Widener should have played in the game.  Of course its a constalation game but its a tradition none the less.  Maybe widener people are above the ecac and tradition I dont know.

Im not saying they have to defend anything,

and you feel it was a joke (the ncaa snub)  It was a year that you could argue other teams should have gone.  Worcester State was 10-0 when we played them in 1996.  We were the better team at 7-3. 

Hartwick was 8-2 in 2002 after beating Kings yet Kings still went to the playoffs because they won the MAC and they beat Widener.  From the outside, it looked like a down year for the east.  The NCAA made thier decision.  Imagine the Hartwick people if Widener also made it over them.  You simply couldnt take widener and kings and not hartwick.

I dont know anything about 1978 except Ithaca lost to Wittenberg 6-3 in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:48:31 am
Jonny

We will agree to disagree then...and I don't think it has to do with anyone feeling it was "below" them to play in that game...as Chum stated. t was a team thing and they made that decision collectively....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 11:53:36 am
jonny we played mt union in 2000.  mot bad for aa young group of players that came into the 2000 season ranked at forty something.

2001 we were ranked #2 in the nation for most of the year, we also beat the #3 team in the nation by 16 in the second rd. we lost to #4 bw , which we should have played at home. "shafted" dont compare our 2001 team to mt unions 2001 bc we never played, if we did,  it would have never went down like it did in 2000. many will agree.

at the end of the day we didnt want to play in the ecac game bc we wouldnt have been ready for it,  we were focused on getting a bid and that didnt happen.  once again, what good would our starting team (mostly seniors) get out of playing moravian again.  nottadamthing...  thanks but no thanx!!!

if widener gets an ecac bid in 2005, they would be foolish not to take it.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 12:02:51 pm
Yea, but we can all agree that Widener was far from being the #4 team in the country in 2001, that ranking was based on how they fared against east teams in 2000, which they were clearly the best.

And like I said before, we didnt want to play the ecac game in 1996 either.  And as you say, there was no point to the game.  In 1987, Ithaca lost their last regualar season game to dayton and then played plymouth st in the ecac game, and I heard that a lot of players gave up and had a bad attitude in the game(please correct me if Im wrong, I wasnt there, just goin on what I heard)

Im assuming you like me went to a school to play for a national championship, and the end of that 2001 must have been disapointing, but again, you were invited by the ecac and you said no.

on your side though, I probably wouldnt want to play a team that we already played, I would agree that you should have played someone else like hartwick or ithaca.  In 1996 though, it wouldnt have been fair to worcester st if we had turned it down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 12:31:21 pm
that ranking 2001 wansnt based on the 2000 walk through the east.  it was based on how well we were in 2001 not 2000.  we beat the n #3 team in the nation at home, convincingly.  then lost to the #4 team away "shafted" .  ask pat, we deserved to be #2 untill we lost. by the way, bw lost to mt union 30-27 in the stagg bowl.

good luck to widener this week! 
im taking a trip to vegas and putting my quarterly savings on delval. bc if i lose i still win!!!!  can i get a go eagles!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2005, 02:43:13 pm
Reminder...

If you don't want to make the four-hour drive from the Philadelphia (or other) area to Juniata and then the same back, let me do it for you.  All you have to do is listen to the game from the comforts of your own home or office.

Kickoff is at 1 PM with pregame coverage at 12:30 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Knoblauch goes for the 10,000-yard passing/1,000 yard-rushing record and the Aggies try to clinch the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 03:04:54 pm
Jonny

I will cite another example...

The 1906 team was snubbed by the NCAA, when their uniforms did not meet "NCAA" standards...It seems that someone in the wool industry pulled in a favor and turned the "W" upside down...thus making them ineligble for the post season.  The team was devastated, as you can see from the "Glum" looks.... ;D
(http://www.widener.edu/Tools_Resources/Libraries/Wolfgram_Memorial_Library/Archives/PhotoArchives/PhotoArchives/2149/?vobId=8101&pm=2495)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 04, 2005, 03:25:56 pm
bman:

While I wasn't [quite] on the scene at that time, I do remember hearing about Widener's ...  er, PMC's 1906 "shafting." While the "wrong" uniforms were the announced reason for the snub, the truth was something altogether different -- and more serious.  In those days a football team consisted of 15 players, and the flying wedge was the offense of choice; PMC was then a military academy with a polo team, and they commonly employed a horse, disguised in a football uniform, as the point of the wedge.

The Cadets were able to use the horse with impunity for a number of seasons until an opposing coach noticed equine by-product on the field. The resulting scandal and investigation rocked the athletic world, and from henceforth on horses (and most other animals) were strictly banned from collegiate competition, though professional teams were allowed to continue their use until after-game cleanup costs went through the roof.

There, that's the true story of PMC's/Widener's first in a long history of snubs, shafts, and slaps in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 03:43:35 pm
Warren

That ban was also modified when the Gus the Kicking Mule scandal rocked the pro ranks...

The 1906 horse probably thought "this is a lot easier than dragging a howitzer" ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 04, 2005, 04:16:39 pm
bman:

And because of PMC's sin in 1906, we now have the all-too-common saying, "Widener [or whoever] has all the horses this season." Little do most fans realize the historical background herein.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 04, 2005, 05:05:13 pm
Wow - some pretty good banter posters - I especially like some of the vintage trivia.

My thoughts, not that anyone asked, are teams should decide to play or not, with the guidance and input of coaches - the heck with administrators or even alumni.  I prefer to think of an invitation for continued play as simply that - an invitation.  The entity extending the courtesy did not initiate the slight - ala ECAC vice NCAA - so why focuse on the slight?  Besides, the metaphor that applies is not sour grapes - but cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Additionally, we should be careful not to confuse a very principled stand by the 1972 USA Olympic Men's Basketball team not to receive a tainted silver medal with D3 athletics especially since the USA team was never offered a bid to play by the ECAC or even declined to play another game.  They refused to accept the medal - not another chance to demonstrate their athletic prowess.  I say, accept the game, prove the pundits wrong by smashing your opponent in a rout.  This way you get more pt for your players.  Moreover, you will always prove it on the field and not the D3 chat room years later that you were indeed overlooked and deserved to be in the "big dance." 

In the end, if the team and coaches decide not to accept the invitation that is their right and perogative.  However, I still think it is a bit ungracious, unless of course you are playing opponents you already previously vanquished.

Go Warriors - Beat Albright!  Coach G may move one step closer to 250 this week.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 07:25:11 pm
guys

You know it's funny...you accuse these kids as having sour grapes etc...

Ask ANY member of the 1972 Olympic basketball team, if they regret not standing or accepting their medals after having the gold taken from them, and I would bet none of them do for a minute....what is different here?

For these kids, it's a bureaucracy taking something away, rather than refs...but the point is still the same....

And for us older folks (And don't start the conspiracy crap) there has been a history of WU getting the short end of the stick with the NCAA...ie... the 2001 WU team not getting a home game against a BW team that came from nowhere... Gee I wonder why?  Maybe from some ouside influence?...Quote from NCAA president's council meeting...."There is a strong consensus among the Presidents Council that we ought to limit the growth of the membership in Division III.  The council is concerned about the division’s numbers for all sorts of reasons,” said Phillip Stone, president at Bridgewater College and chair of the Division III Presidents Council. " ...looks like backroom politics to me...

Or we can go back to 87, or 78 when the defending natl champs were not invited to the play-offs....

yes I for one am glad they did not participate...



Stone didn't join the presidents council until after 2001, I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 07:30:49 pm
2001 we were ranked #2 in the nation for most of the year, we also beat the #3 team in the nation by 16 in the second rd. we lost to #4 bw , which we should have played at home. "shafted" dont compare our 2001 team to mt unions 2001 bc we never played, if we did,  it would have never went down like it did in 2000. many will agree.

1) The NCAA doesn't care one bit what the AFCA poll says, and it shouldn't. The AFCA poll's track record is awful. That's why we started our own poll.

2) If the AFCA poll was so damn accurate, why did #4 Widener not show up until halftime at #2 Bridgewater? Losing 57-32 is hardly a statement that says this game should've been played at your place.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2005, 12:56:22 am
that ranking 2001 wansnt based on the 2000 walk through the east.  it was based on how well we were in 2001 not 2000.  we beat the n #3 team in the nation at home, convincingly.  then lost to the #4 team away "shafted" .  ask pat, we deserved to be #2 untill we lost. by the way, bw lost to mt union 30-27 in the stagg bowl.

good luck to widener this week! 
im taking a trip to vegas and putting my quarterly savings on delval. bc if i lose i still win!!!!  can i get a go eagles!!!

zoolander you are right, I am wrong, I was thinking about wideners 2002 team that wasnt #4 in the country.  The 2001 team deserved that ranking.....

although rowan was the team that got shafted in 2001, not widener.  They actually beat bc at bc and got shafted like no team would ever deserve to get shafted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dpadavona on November 05, 2005, 03:01:22 am
Widener basically told them they didnt want anything to do with them that year, because they thought they deserved to go to the ncaas.  I just dont think its right, and Widener should have played in the game.  Of course its a constalation game but its a tradition none the less.  Maybe widener people are above the ecac and tradition I dont know.

Did you mean consolation game?  Or are you referring to the ECAC Space Bowl?   ;D

How do you feel about Ithaca turning down ECAC bids in the past?  I know there are a lot of people involved with Ithaca's and Cortland's programs who feel the the ECAC is a big letdown after the Cortacajug game, if there is no NCAA invite.  I can see where Widener was coming from.

My personal feeling is the ECAC game is a great chance to show the NCAA they made a mistake passing you by, and it is also a great opportunity to play a strong team from another area.  If you go to college to play football, I would think you would want an extra game particularly if you are a senior.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:21:45 pm
Lycoming draws first blood on a Smith keeper - PAT good

early in the first quarter Lycoming 7 - Albright 0
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:37:26 pm
Lycoming turnover to Albright on a pic at the 5.  Defense holds. Murdoch fumbles the punt but recovers it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:55:09 pm
Smith again picked off and Albright O seems to be finding its way . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:08:46 pm
Lycoming on the 2 with half running out - Smith passes for a TD
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:09:22 pm
PAT attempt is good

Lycoming 14

Albright 0

25 seconds in the half
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:30:30 pm
Streaming problems with feed . . . switching to Albright and see if they have one that is up and working.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:38:13 pm
Lycoming fumble by Smith recovered on by Albright on the Lyco 20 yd line

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:39:47 pm
3rd down and 9 from the 20 - Good defensive stand - now stop them on 3rd and make them kick for it

Incomplete whatever will the Lions do now?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:40:45 pm
Gutsy call and they went for it TD - but laundry on the field . . .

preliminary indication is against Albright.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:41:54 pm
Penalty against Albright, ineligible receiver, nullifies TD giving ball over to Lycoming as touchback on their own 20.

Talk about dodging a bullet!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:42:53 pm
Face-mask violation - Lycoming on the 33 now . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 05, 2005, 02:47:24 pm
Pat

I certainly was not claiming Bwater influenced the panel in any way...I was simply illustrating my point that the NCAA cowers to any influential body, and there would be a graet example of how a influential body could change how the committe places teams.

I have issues with the NCAA in general, and the play-off commitee (as we all know) leaves a lot to be desired (in fact they are a joke)...but that topic has been debated to death here many times....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:15:35 pm
Albright intercepts and scores again but fails to convert on the PAT

Lycoming 14

Albright 13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:33:28 pm
Smith injured and Hanna intercepted - why did Lyco call a pass play with a cold qb who ended up overthrowing the receiver?

Albright now marching with less than 7 minutes to go . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:35:38 pm
Ball comes out and Lycoming recovers in the red zone - their own 13!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:49:23 pm
two more turnovers and Lycoming runs out the clock and secures the win - #249 for Coach G

Lycoming 14 - Albright 13

All the best, posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on November 05, 2005, 04:16:47 pm
Lyco,

You guys have had a really nice turnaround to the season (although I'm sad that it started with the Bombers!).  Congrats on another win today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 05, 2005, 04:18:23 pm
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 07:31:56 pm
Thanks MIYH - sorry we are not going to the playoffs of IC fans might look for another shot to try and even the score on this year's contests.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninorangehat on November 05, 2005, 07:34:31 pm
Thanks MIYH - sorry we are not going to the playoffs of IC fans might look for another shot to try and even the score on this year's contests.

Lyco80

Congrats on another win... Glad that you guys started to roll after getting us.  I'm sure IC would love to get another shot @ ya!

Go Bombers
 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 10:46:40 pm
Just to clear up a few facts. The Wu would clearly benifit from an taking an ECAC game. They are a young team that only will graduate a total of 4 seniors. Anytime you can get an extra week of practice for your younger players and add the post season feeling it has to help. Look at how it helped Kings get in the playoffs after an ECAC game. Del Val took an ECAC bid before they went on this current run of MAC championships. Furthermore let me remind all of my fellow WU alumni that WU took an ECAC bid the season before they starting winning all of those MAC championships in 2000. Lets also clear up one other fact. Zwann did not ask the players/coaches if they wanted to take an ECAC game. Nor did he turn it down. At the time, in order for a team to get an ECAC game they had to let the ECAC know by a certian time. Coach Zwann was sure the Pioneers would make the playoffs and never put in for an opportunity to take a game. Every real player I have ever talked to always says that they wish they could just put the pads on one more time.  Any player that would rather sit home on his ass instead of putting on his pads and playing in one more game should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 10:49:46 pm
Please allow me to apologies for the grammar and spelling in my previous post. I just returned home Sals. The WU D was very impressive today. Should be a great game this week in Doylestown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2005, 10:50:30 pm
I don't believe that's what we were told at the time. We had some pretty good sources in the department.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 11:05:05 pm
This may be a case of conflicting sources. I travel to the games with a few fellows that I consider to be good sources. They where very close to the program during that time. However, I will yield to you if you have direct knowledge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 05, 2005, 11:11:53 pm
Congrats to the Aggies on their win today!!!  Not only did they secure at least a share of the MAC title (depending on the outcome of next week's games) but Adam Knoblauch achieved the honor of becoming just the 5th quarterback in NCAA history to pass for 10,000 yards and rush for 1,000 during his career.  What a banner day for the Aggies!!! ;D

PS - Just to add a little intrigue into how this season will actually end, Rowan lost to Willy P.

I'd also like to compliment the Juniata football team and their supporting fans.  I must say that I was quite surprised to see the number of home support for this team in spite of their record this season.  Please don't take that last sentence as an insult.  It's just that usually when a team has a losing season, at least some of the games I've attended in the past, home support is sometimes hard to be found.  Juniata's home stands were packed and filled with cheering fans.  In addition, even though Del Val was ahead by a good margin of points by the end of the first half, Juniata came out and played with heart.  They never gave up.  They have some excellent talent on that team and it was very impressive to not see their heads drop once during that entire game.  They played with pride, guts and heart till the very end.  Great game Juniata Eagles!!!!   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 11:20:36 pm
Adam Knoblauch is a excellent QB. He has had a great career at DVC and it has been a pleasure to watch him play. The football fan in me will miss him. However the WU fan is glad next Saturday is the last time we have to compete agaist him. Congrats again on a great accomplishment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 06, 2005, 12:56:21 am
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!

ACMOB

Have some heart.   :o   Why on earth would you call ANY team a "bum" team?  Just because a team doesn't have more wins than losses doesn't make them any less deserving of a powerful win.  Things went right for Willy P today and congrats to them.  That is, who I am assuming, you were talking about. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 06, 2005, 05:46:45 am
Just to clear up a few facts. The Wu would clearly benifit from an taking an ECAC game. They are a young team that only will graduate a total of 4 seniors. Anytime you can get an extra week of practice for your younger players and add the post season feeling it has to help. Look at how it helped Kings get in the playoffs after an ECAC game. Del Val took an ECAC bid before they went on this current run of MAC championships. Furthermore let me remind all of my fellow WU alumni that WU took an ECAC bid the season before they starting winning all of those MAC championships in 2000. Lets also clear up one other fact. Zwann did not ask the players/coaches if they wanted to take an ECAC game. Nor did he turn it down. At the time, in order for a team to get an ECAC game they had to let the ECAC know by a certian time. Coach Zwann was sure the Pioneers would make the playoffs and never put in for an opportunity to take a game. Every real player I have ever talked to always says that they wish they could just put the pads on one more time.  Any player that would rather sit home on his ass instead of putting on his pads and playing in one more game should be ashamed.


wudline, in 1999 we never took an ecac bid bc we never recieved one, they are hard to get when a team goes 6-4. regardless of your misinformed knowledge of the 2002 season along with prior seasons. like i already said, if wu gets a ecac bid this year they should take full advantage of it. wu 2002 team was offered an ecac bid that was declined bc the team thought they had a good chance to gear up for the playoffs.  we didnt meet as a team to watch the selection show as a team bc we didnt control our own destiny at the time. our season ended via internet at the moment. the last thing on anyone had in mind that week was gearing up to play moravian again for the ECAC TITLE.  we all went to widener to have the oppertunity to practice on thankgiving in the am.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 06, 2005, 07:14:33 am
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!

ACMOB

Have some heart.   :o   Why on earth would you call ANY team a "bum" team?  Just because a team doesn't have more wins than losses doesn't make them any less deserving of a powerful win.  Things went right for Willy P today and congrats to them.  That is, who I am assuming, you were talking about. 

HATS OFF TO WILLY P!  GREAT WIN!!

It was one of your posters that used that term.  I root for Kean and WP in the NJAC.  Many believe that they are "easy" wins and in the past that might have been true.   Again, I was only be sarcastic towards the poster that used that term. 

Ask Wilkes how "weak" Willy P is this year!  After they beat Husson next week, WP will finsh at .500 for the first time I can remember.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2005, 08:48:23 am
It is interesting to note how quiet all the "put a fork in them" posters have become since Lycoming has won the last four games in a row.  For the record, when everyone was counting them down, and out, I, and a few other stalwarts, continued to have faith that Coach G and the lads would right things. 

This week's game against defector Susquehanna will provide an interesting chance for Coach G to move to 250 career wins.  This is a milestone few coaches achieve in any sport - let alone a competition as prone to change as D3 football.  My hat is off to him and his staff for a career of excellence and hope many Warrior alumni - both football and otherwise - will make the trip to Williamsport this weekend in the hopes of seeing some D3 football history.

Simba - may make the trip from VA - right now it appears we will be executing orders to Japan for three years in February 2006.  This may be my last chance to make it for some time.  Let me know if you plan on attending.

Congrats to DVC and WU on strong seasons - I hope you both make it into the playoffs.  Also - well done to a very physical and talented Wilkes team.

Go Warriors - #250 is within your grasp - Beat the Crusaders!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 06, 2005, 09:33:37 am
Dont worry man... Here I am!!!

Put a fork in Lyco!!

I am sure you are so thrilled to post about winning the last four straight when Lyco has such a great tradition..  It must tickle you to death to pound your chest that Lyco has had such a great season.

Dont worry man, soon enough Lyco will be completely finished... The power will shift to DVC, Albright, and Widener has always had a pretty good team...

Lycoming's slide isnt over.  They will lose more games next year too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 06, 2005, 01:06:41 pm
Patron 2,
Why so much antagonism towards the Lycoming program.  Granted this is not the same type team as the LYCO teams of old.  With that being said, the one commonality shared with those past great teams is character.  These kids found ways to win.  Be assured LYCO is not done!  Much more parity exists in the MAC from top to bottom,than in the past, and be assured on any given Saturday one team can defeat another.  DVC has become the class of the MAC, however don't think for a heartbeat that they can't be beat.  Even the top dog must be ever vigilant.  Although we all have our favorite teams, lets not forget all these players are fine young men. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 06, 2005, 05:30:54 pm
Don't automatically think DVC can get the top seed in the region with a win against Widener.  A 4th ranked Union win against 3rd ranked Hobart sent them to 9-0...add on to that this week's game against previously 6th ranked RPI and the Dutchmen have a chance to pickup the top ranking. 

Union's quality of win index would most likely be higher than Del Val's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2005, 05:38:25 pm
Dunno about that -- Delaware Valley would pick up just as many QOW points from beating Widener as Union would from beating RPI. Even though Union has two fewer regional games to divide that boost over, Del Val's QOW lead should stand up unless one team or the other has a significant number of other opponents' records change.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 06, 2005, 07:01:45 pm
Zoolander
I was speaking of the 1998 Wu team that played Monclair at home in the ECAC game. To this day, coach zwann contributes much of the future success of the program to the extra practice time he had with the young players in 1998. We all try to forget about the 1999 team that started with such high promise before fading away. As for your statmentabout my misinformation I will offer this info to help you understand.
 It was stated that Zwann asked the team and players if the wanted to play an ECAC game. He did not. At the time the so called bid that was turned down was the initial  bid sent to almost every school on the east coast with a winning record. It was to ask if a college would be interested in playing in an ECAC game if the did not make the NCAA playoffs. The ECAC then comes back to the teams that do not make the NCAA an have shown an intrest in playing an ECAC game. Zwann declined the initial offer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2005, 07:18:37 pm
It is good to know that you are not lost since I was about to initiate a milk carton campaign in hopes of locating you, Patron 2.

Concur with Mojo in regards to MAC parity.  The pending desertion of Susquehanna, Juniata and Moravian will alter things.  How much so is a matter of speculation.  However, the remaining teams will continue to hold Fall weekly slugfests that will sometimes depend upon turnovers, penalties and field conditions for the winners and losers.

Not sure what your hostility to Lycoming is but that a demon you will have to exorcise yourself - sorry but I cannot help you with it myself.

Winning seasons, MAC championships, NCAA appearances, twice in the Stagg bowl in the 1990s, all point to a tradition of excellence and success.  I remain quite bullish on Lycoming's stock and am sorry you think I am pounding my chest when I am merely trying to call attention to facts - not feelings.

Regardless, I am delighted you are a poster and am glad to see you took the bait and responded.  Witty repartee is most welcome.

Go Warriors !

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 06, 2005, 08:35:27 pm
One career NCAA leader congratulates another after the game....One more win Warriors and your two goals set prior to your "Playoff" game with Ithaca will be attained (win out for a winning season and 250 wins for the "G").. Take no prisoners this Saturday and the second half of the season will end in a successfull "Crusade"...Simba

(http://williamsport-pa.com/lycomingfootball/lc05110501p_small.jpg)

Lyco80...Will be observing from the hill behind the fence as I've done 3 games this year to ensure all tailgaiting festivities meet Lyco standards...hint: Dick Yuengling, Lyco class of '66...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 07, 2005, 10:51:39 am
LVC's Adam Brossman is breaking school records all over the place and there is no talk of, him, why is this?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 07, 2005, 11:16:52 am
LVC is 2-7....thats prolly why
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 07, 2005, 11:18:50 am
Also i'm glad the season will be over after this week for lyco.....then i won't half to read lyco80 play for play.......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 07, 2005, 02:01:01 pm
It would take more then milk cartons.. Search and rescue dogs, the national guard, etc..

It is good to know that you are not lost since I was about to initiate a milk carton campaign in hopes of locating you, Patron 2.

Concur with Mojo in regards to MAC parity.  The pending desertion of Susquehanna, Juniata and Moravian will alter things.  How much so is a matter of speculation.  However, the remaining teams will continue to hold Fall weekly slugfests that will sometimes depend upon turnovers, penalties and field conditions for the winners and losers.

Not sure what your hostility to Lycoming is but that a demon you will have to exorcise yourself - sorry but I cannot help you with it myself.

Winning seasons, MAC championships, NCAA appearances, twice in the Stagg bowl in the 1990s, all point to a tradition of excellence and success.  I remain quite bullish on Lycoming's stock and am sorry you think I am pounding my chest when I am merely trying to call attention to facts - not feelings.

Regardless, I am delighted you are a poster and am glad to see you took the bait and responded.  Witty repartee is most welcome.

Go Warriors !

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:27:29 pm
Congrats to Adam Knoblauch on reaching the 10,000/1,000 milestone.  I just read the story on espn.com.  That is great stuff for Adam, Delaware Valley and DIII football. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 07, 2005, 02:34:47 pm
Dynasty07

Most likely Brossman will get his due after the season is over and the ALL MAC teams are announced

Great Job Adam Knoblauch
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2005, 02:36:44 pm
Congrats to Adam Knoblauch on reaching the 10,000/1,000 milestone.  I just read the story on espn.com.  That is great stuff for Adam, Delaware Valley and DIII football. 


If you'd read the front page of our site you'd have seen it there, too, on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:52:25 pm
I saw it on the front page but I thought it was cool that others picked up on it too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 07, 2005, 04:51:08 pm
Also i'm glad the season will be over after this week for lyco.....then i won't half to read lyco80 play for play.......

You really need to get out more bossman05 since play posting is the way other leagues stay abreast of real time developments on their boards.  Sorry you care not for the updates - but you really do not not have to read them - simply ignore.

Patron 2 - love your comeback - I have access to some of those means - shall we employ them to locate you?

Simba - trying to find someone to ride with me up to Williamsport this weekend for the game - hard to do from here.

To all of you - Please remember your servicemembers this week - 10 November is the USMC birthday - 230 years strong!  And 11 November is Veteran's Day.  America has many problems facing her but you can be justifiably proud of her sons and daughters in uniform past and present.

Go Navy - Beat Army!

Go Warriors!!!

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 07, 2005, 05:08:04 pm
LYCO80, When I was in the Navy we used to cheer Go Army Beat Navy.  Our Exec was a former Annapolis football player and was always ready to bet a keg of beer against the enlisted men.  I still can't believe I have to share my birthday with a bunch of Jarheads.   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2005, 05:24:15 pm
dynasty07 & bossman05:

Adam Brossman did receive some notice. He was named to the MAC weekly Honor Roll for his performance v. Moravian. He caught 05 passes for 141 yards and 04 touchdowns, setting the LVC career touchdown receptions for a game, season (13), and career (20).

At Moravian he also punted 05 times for an average of 40.0 yards per kick. For the season, he's made 43 receptions for 850 yards and a MAC-leading 13 touchdowns. As well, he's averaging a conference-leading 38.4 yards per punt.

LVC's biology faculty are now attempting to clone him ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 07, 2005, 05:33:49 pm
haha, we could only wish.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 07, 2005, 05:36:18 pm
pat, if widener wins at del val this week, what are the chances of them recieving a pool c bid.  1:10 or more like 1:1,000,000?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 07, 2005, 05:39:18 pm
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 07, 2005, 05:43:33 pm
North Central
Cal Lutheran
Central
Conc.Moorhead
Depauw
UMHB
Huntingdon
St John Fisher
Hobart/RPI/Union (One will win the division and get an A)

10 teams vying for 7 spots.  Even if a ton fall apart, Ohio Northnern, Capital, Montclair State with a victory over Rowan  and countless others probably have a better shot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 08, 2005, 11:06:37 am
Congrats to DelVal on another Conference championship, good work boys.

Johnny Utah "Widener didn't prove anything in 2001"

Are you kidding me? Can you please explain this ridiculous comment to me. It would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 08, 2005, 09:17:25 pm
A writer from d3.com replied in am email that the MAC doesn't get enough respect to get 2 teams into the NCAA tournament. I wish someone could tell me why not with the way these teams are performing. Look at Deleware Valley, Wilkes being 7-2, Widener beating Salisbury, Lyco beating Ithaca... for those of you who believe in the MAC, thank you, for those of you who don't...  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 08, 2005, 10:28:06 pm
Congrats to DelVal on another Conference championship, good work boys.

Johnny Utah "Widener didn't prove anything in 2001"

Are you kidding me? Can you please explain this ridiculous comment to me. It would be greatly appreciated.

chumslam I was talking about in terms of being one of the top teams in the country.........

my point was that Widener was never really close to ever being a national championship team.  Rowan, BC and Mount could claim that in 2001 and only Mount union and st johns could claim that in 2000.  Widener was 7 touchdowns away from the top teams in the country those years, and thats part of the reason they missed a bid in 2002.

In my opinion Widener proved that they were one of the top teams in the east in 2001 and 2000, but they were far from being a national championship team as they were blown out in their last two losses of those two years..........

so when I said they didnt prove anything in 2001, I was referring to the fact that they couldnt just make the playoffs in 2002 based solely on their 2001 playoff performance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 09, 2005, 12:41:35 am
johnny, thats a bad statement, we should of had home field advantage against bw, we also scored at will the whole second half once we got our offense rolling.  home field advantage is very beneficial to a team in the playoffs.  widener also beat the #3 team in the nation which was w&j at the time.  widener was also placed in the south in 2001,which was by far the most competitive region in the playoffs. we were in the east in 2000. however, you are right about rowan being robbed agaist bw
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 09, 2005, 06:58:43 am
well zoolander, I wasnt at the game I just saw the score but from that I dont see anyway that you could argue that widner was better or deserved a home game over BC.  Both teams were undefeated and I dont think you can use a home game as an excuse.  Wideners defense didnt do the job that year.  Then again I didnt see any of those games maybe widener just had a bad game and BC had a great game....but 57-32 kinda shows which team could claim to be the better team.  Now if BC won by a point or Widener won the game you could argue that Widener could have deserved the homefield because of the outcome but that didnt happen.  I think now you have to say BC was the better team and deserved the homefield because somene knew they were better.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 08:07:59 am
BC was 9-1 not undefeated. And that seasons they beat no nationally ranked teams. We did, we stomped Lyco 35-0 at their house.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 12:52:51 pm
Also DelVal is ranked higher than Rowan, what a joke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 09, 2005, 02:14:59 pm
Good luck this week boyz... NNR Wishes all well... hope you get to know Union soon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 09, 2005, 02:38:18 pm
yo Chum Chum,
 what u mean a joke?????

Rowan lost to patterson are u kiddin me?????

Hey also patterson beat wilkes and rowan...and wilkes beat widener...
hmm.....

i'll tell u what chum chum u say some stupid things
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 02:59:47 pm
Rowan was up 56 - 0 last year at halftime during their game. I was at the game, Total domination.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 09, 2005, 03:41:52 pm
chum slam... remember last year so well... well you remember beating patterson 61-6...what happened this year... it is SO FREAKIN stupid people base so much off what happened... games are played for a reason
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 03:50:23 pm
I am well aware they are played for a reason. I played for long enough to know.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 09, 2005, 05:55:27 pm
word is that some camera crews are filming Coach G this week to put together a video tribute for POSSIBLY his 250th win.  Heard it mentioned that this video will be shown first at the stagg bowl festivities.

Go Warriors
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 09, 2005, 06:30:36 pm
When you say rowan dominated dvc last year, that means one thing. NOTHING! This is a new year, both teams have changed, and this is why we play the game. Upsets occur everywhere everyweekend, chum, u sound like you cant get over a mishap is your 'glorydays.'

as for a possibility of dvc and rowan matchup this year, i watched both teams last year and thought rowan had the big edge, i have also watched both teams this year, and i feel its a little more evenly matched, it would be a great game. I know GA will have his boys well prepared for the challenge if it happens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 09, 2005, 08:41:21 pm
BC was 9-1 not undefeated. And that seasons they beat no nationally ranked teams. We did, we stomped Lyco 35-0 at their house.

BC was undefeated, they were 10-0 going into the Widener game.  And Widener beat a nationally ranked team out of the MAC where no one ever played out of league, so you didnt really know who was good or not untill the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 08:46:30 pm
word is that some camera crews are filming Coach G this week to put together a video tribute for POSSIBLY his 250th win.  Heard it mentioned that this video will be shown first at the stagg bowl festivities.

Go Warriors

I hope not. Last time there was a coach tribute at the Stagg Bowl festivities, it was for Ithaca coach Jim Butterfield, who had just passed away. I expect Coach Girardi has a few years left.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2005, 10:03:55 pm
Chum:

Keep in mind that Rowan lost not only a game, but their starting QB and a premier DL for the year.  That all factors into their ranking.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bomber27 on November 10, 2005, 12:02:09 am
You guys sick of the LL jumping on your board yet.  By the way, congrats to Lyco, pains me to say it but good game against us
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 10, 2005, 12:09:06 am
I stand corrected, they were undefeated.... 9 - 0 !!!!!!  And that season they did not beat a nationally ranked team in the 9 wins.

Youre right we did play a nationally ranked team out of the MAC, they didnt beat a nationally ranked team period during the regular season.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 10, 2005, 12:09:33 am
Chum...get real man.

DVC and those upstate NY teams all deserve to be higher than Rowan.  Most of these rankings are based on objective criteria with a portion of subjective analysis.  Most of the objective criteria force the committee to put DVC, Union, etc. above Rowan.  

If you don't get it, that's a shame
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 10, 2005, 12:31:54 am
i didnt get to c del val this year but i'll be at the game this week.  if del val and rowen met in the playoffs this year i dont think they would get blown out like last year mainly bc when any  team gets a shot at a rematch for redemtion, they usually bring thier A game. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 10, 2005, 12:38:13 am
game of the week!!!  widener upsets del val and starts thier quest to regain the mac crown!  hey i know its early but... del val can get my best of luck post for the playoffs after the widener match up.  38 - 35 widener wins in o.t. by a field goal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 10, 2005, 08:43:40 am
Zoolander, I will be there also, who should I look for?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 10, 2005, 10:31:51 am
no way wu beats del val, just not going to happen. dvc is by far a superior team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 10, 2005, 11:33:16 am
Pat: Could you explain the rumor of Wesley asking to be seeded in the East region. How can a team make such a request? Is it true that if they do get seeded in the East and Rowan wins this weekend they would host Wesley???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 10, 2005, 12:53:26 pm
Nothing is for sure by any means.  The East gets five automatic bids.  That leaves three spots for B and C teams. 

There will be three one-loss B/C eligible teams at the most.  This is if RPI defeats Union. 

That situation would leave Union, Hobart, and Fisher all with one loss, without an automatic bid.  Most believe the LL will not get three teams, thus, the need for a shipper from another region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 10, 2005, 01:31:37 pm
So then it's not really Wesley's choice, but rather out of necessity?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 10, 2005, 04:57:47 pm
Hey Pat Great comparison- Keep the great work up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 10, 2005, 05:33:51 pm
Chum Slam

You have done nothing but bash Del Val all season without giving any respect to the team. That is your opinion and each is entitled to his own....How ever you have also mentioned the score of last years Rowan/Del Val game......True it ended 56-7...however the halftime score we 35-0...I, too was there.

I dont see DVC losing this week but it will be another close contest...Del Val 28   Widener  24
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 10, 2005, 09:31:01 pm
whats the outlook for lvc/ albright?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 10, 2005, 10:32:40 pm
No team can ask the committee to seed them anywhere.  If they want, they could send Wesley to the West.  Would it happen?  No...but it's just to show that there is no forced way to seed the playoffs. 

Look at our playoff projections on the front page via Daily Dose and review.  Last year the projections nailed 27 of 28 teams, I believe...not bad.  The seeding is almost dead on too. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 10, 2005, 11:00:33 pm
Posters,
Put your bucks on the Dutchmen this week.  LVC 21 - Albright 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 11, 2005, 12:39:45 am
It was not 35-0 because a bunch of us were commenting that it was even worse than when we beat CNU and were up 42-0 at halftime.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 02:44:53 am
Pat: Could you explain the rumor of Wesley asking to be seeded in the East region.

No. There's no point in trying to explain rumors. Some people just make stuff up. Why would I comment on it?

Wesley shouldn't be trying to get in the East bracket. They'll get a lower seed because they have common-opponent problems with Fisher and Ithaca.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 11, 2005, 09:33:04 am
Thanks Pat, that's the story going around Wesley. I was just trying to understand how a team could make their own decision on such a thing. You've cleared it up nicely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 11, 2005, 11:26:25 am
Chum Slam

We both stand corrected it was 42-0 at the half of last years Rowan/Del Val game...not 56-0...Check the archives
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2005, 12:24:05 pm
Programming note...

If you're not coming to Doylestown, you can hear Delaware Valley take on Widener University for the Keystone Cup right here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).

Mid-Atlantic Region Columnist Pat Cummings will be in the house and we'll have extended pregame coverage with lots of interviews.  We'll talk with Coach Mangus, senior DL Matt Wallick and QB Adam Knoblauch.  Plus we'll have a special salute to several seniors.

Pregame starts at 12 PM with kickoff at 1 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 11, 2005, 05:30:17 pm
Lycoming's Girardi chasing 250th win

By GUY CIPRIANO
 
http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=253
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 12, 2005, 01:19:20 pm
widener scores a touchdown early!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:28:29 pm
Lyco dog returns to recover the kicking tee! 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:30:33 pm
Warriors draw first blood and lead 7-0 near the end of the first quarter . . .

And yes, I am here posting away to the delight of some and the dismay of others . . .

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:44:20 pm
Susquehanna partially blocks a punt and then converts it into points on a TD pass

Score tied 7-7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:49:17 pm
Lycoming fumbles but recovers on their own 14 bringing up 4th and eternity - Susquehanna's defense is hanging tough

good return on the punt - putting the Crusaders on the 10 yd line

C'mon Warriors - show some steel now!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:52:59 pm
Murdoch intercepts in the end zone and brings it out to the 15 yd line

Way to do D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:56:48 pm
Mike Ward recovers Crusader fumbled punt . . . for the WARRIORS, oh yeah!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:01:05 pm
Smith on the keeper converts a 4th and short in Crusader territory to keep the drive alive . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:07:04 pm
4th and ten and Lycoming fails to convert - ball over on downs to Susquehanna with 2:00 to go in the half . . .

first and ten on their own 20 yd line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:12:08 pm
Lyco holds them and on the ensuing kick - a boomer - Mangold fields and jukes all over the place - resulting in the usual block in the back penalty.

49 seconds on the clock

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:13:55 pm
It appears that Coach G is playing for the second half as there are only 12 seconds to go and Laky carries for a short gain and the half ends with the score tied:

LYCOMING WARRIORS - 7

SUSQUEHANNA CRUSDADERS - 7

Go Warriors #250 is within thirty minutes of play!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 02:17:25 pm
Lyco80...
In the end zone behind Habitat table
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:20:00 pm
Simba,

Wish I could find you but I am in my study in Norfolk, VA as I could not get anyone to ride up with me and my wife is 8 weeks pregnant and needs me around for help with the 3 yr old.

I wish I could be with you, pal, share a Ying and talk about life . . .

Not sure about Japan orders now - the baby may alter the destination somewhat.

Please give Rob and Coach G my best if you see them . . .

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 02:23:55 pm
Will do Sir...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:42:36 pm
Susquehanna marches down the field and executes a field goal to take a 10-7 lead . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:45:25 pm
Laky carries forward and fumbles - some think not - and Susquehanna recovers on Lycoming 31 yd line

DEFENSE!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:48:35 pm
Lycoming Defense stops them and now O-line must produce
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:59:16 pm
Ugghhhh another INT for Susquehanna in the red zone as Lycoming fritters away another scoring opportunity . . .

Flags on the play following the INT and return . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:00:05 pm
Offsetting penalties
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:14:04 pm
IC loses to Cortland State in OT as IC is intercepted on their possession

37-30 Cortland State to keep the jug

Wow - what a game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:17:24 pm
LYCO D again stops Susquehanna - it is now up to the O to do something.

Flag on punt - re-kick:  time for some special team magic Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:20:00 pm
3rd and ten and not much that is offensive about the Warrior Offense, today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:21:13 pm
Widener and DVC tied at 21 - must be some game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:27:19 pm
Lycoming 4th and 8 with about 8:40 in the game - Lycoming punt team on the field - Defense must score if the Warriors are to have a chance

Great kick - ball on the Susquehanna 3 yard line

The table is set D - turnover time.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:32:03 pm
D holds them and Warriors get the ball back on a punt - flag goes against LYCO and they are moved back after a nice return

Coach G and the crowd feel very strongly otherwise

This might be the last possession for the Warriors.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:34:48 pm
Warriors on the move - at the Susquehanna 27 with 2:00 to go in the game

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:35:35 pm
Smith scrambles and finds Jeremy Ebert on the 14 yd line as he catches the ball and slides out of bounds - stopping the clock.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:36:25 pm
Another nail-biter in a string of nail biters . . . last four games won by 9 points - not the blowouts of the past - but W's nonetheless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:38:12 pm
Smith keeps it to the 10 yard line - 3rd and 6 as the clock runs (1:00)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:38:35 pm
Coach G takes second timeout
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:40:36 pm
Smith pressed hard and swarmed over by defenders and throws the ball incomplete

Field goal team out on the field - 27 yard attempt

Last timeout called by Lycoming

Sheeeeeeeshhhhhh!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:41:51 pm
27 yard attempt by Lycoming and it is good!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:42:39 pm
Now, what will happen in the remaining 51 seconds?  Will Susquehanna attempt to move the ball?  Will there be a turnover?  Will any of you care? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:45:17 pm
Susquehanna takes a knee - lets the clock run down - leaving OT at David Person field - without lights too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:50:35 pm
Lycoming on O first - Smith on the keeper gets the first down to the 14 yd line
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:51:03 pm
Laky carries to the 10 for a gain of four
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:51:56 pm
Glenn Smith scores the TD on third play of OT

PAT is critical
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:52:50 pm
PAT is good - now it is the LYCOMING D's turn

Lycoming 17

Susquehanna 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:54:12 pm
Third down play
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:54:50 pm
Fourth and 5 for Susquehanna with the game on the line.

Great stop by Luke Sterling . . .

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:58:02 pm
Pass incomplete - LYCOMING WINS!

Coach G gets to 250 wins!

Guess those who predicted Lycoming's team would just fold up their tent and give up and lose the rest of the season were wrong.

Warriors go to 6-4 overall and defeated a nationally ranked Ithaca team - not too shabby for a team that supposedly has a fork stuck in them!

Way to go, lads.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 12, 2005, 06:14:19 pm
Del Val 36 Widner 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Aggies! Great game by Silver and Porter on D and Marshall on O!!! Oh and btw nice sportsmanship once again by Widner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 12, 2005, 06:42:26 pm
maAggie..don't start that again...there was 1 player who didn't shake hands and ran to the door of his lockeroom(snicker) only for it to be LOCKED! it was waaaaaaaaaay too funny..him ranting and raving and cursing for someone to let him in! sometimes things have a way of kicking ya in da butt! ( still laughing about it myself) other then that I didnt see anything else.

Way to go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 08:18:38 pm
Ok...Joe Paterno, Eddie Robinson, Bobby Bowden, Pop Warner, Amos Alonzo Stagg, John Gagliardi...You can now add Frank Girardi to that distinguished list of NCAA Football Coaching Legends...250 Wins in 34 years covering four decades of coaching excellence...G, you know I speak for many of your former players when I say Congratulations on achieving this milestone...We're all honored to have played for you....Curry, Wise, Weber, Dr. B, Jerry, Frank jr and AC...You're the team within the team that made this happen...Congratulations also and enjoy the moment...Very few coaches in America get the opportunity to work with a Legend every Fall...Simba

(http://www.sungazette.com/image_generator.asp?path=F:\oweb.net\sungazette\storyphotos\jubo.JPG&Width=325)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 08:23:27 pm
Simba,

Well said, my friend, and sorry I could not be with you today to revel in the milestone accomplishment of the man, the staff, the program, and of course, this edition of the Warriors!

I only wish I was at the house having some pasta with players across the spectrum of years.

Thanks for your always good posts.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 08:29:25 pm
By the way - for any of you mathematically inclined posters - Coach G's wins work out to 7.35 per year - not too shabby at all.

Congrats to DVC, Wilkes and Widener on very good years. 

The MAC continues to be a bruising conference that tears itself apart week after week.  I sometimes wonder if all the league struggle doesn't weaken whoever represents us in the NCAA contest.  It may be a bias, but it appears that many other leagues send the same handful of teams every year perhaps indicating a lack of parity in their schedules.  I only know this - to win the MAC - and to do it undefeated - takes guts, guile and talent.  But the struggle to get the crown often leaves the victor vulnerable to a first round NCAA let-down.

Go Aggies - all the way!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 12, 2005, 09:11:01 pm
Dont worry bro, the fork will be stuck even further.  I love how you crow about a 6-4 season.  Must be tough to swallow after so many years of winning a lot of games.

The fork in Lyco will be dug even further next year and the year after.  If you think kids from the Philly area are driving by DVC, Widener, and the sparkling new facilities at Albright to play in Williamsport, you have another thing coming.  Good luck spreading the Scranton talent pool with Wilkes and Kings.

Lycomings slide has begun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 12, 2005, 09:53:02 pm
A big congrats to Juniata for their first win...nice job guys. The team players, coaches, fans and supporters are a real class act, both before and after the game last week, DVC vs Juniata....Good luck next year.

Patron2...Everything is cyclical...Lycos time will come again, even with all of your negativity....you should get a life and go vent your venom there...really, no one wants to hear how much you dislike any team.
Lyco had a tough year and they are never an easy "W".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on November 12, 2005, 10:28:41 pm
Billman56,

sorry to bust your bubble but FDU won not Juniata. Read the press release. I saw it on the scoreboard too and was disapointed at first. FDU looked better this year. Making progress. Possibly over .500 next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2005, 12:37:04 am
Wonder which one of the schools reported the score. We never hear from Juniata, so that isn't likely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2005, 08:03:46 am
I do not normally do this sort of thing, however:  Pat, I realize we are on the eve of playoff brackets and the like but why is Coach G's 250th victory receiving so little press?  I suppose if Lycoming were the cream of the MAC this year and on their way to the NCAA's it would be a better and bigger story.  Regardless, it is a lifetime accomplishment that is clearly due some attention and yet I see not a mention of it on the D3 web site other than some random postings from guys like me.

Naturally, victory has many parents while defeat usually remains an orphan.

In the words of O'Reilly:  "What say you?"

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: UNION 82 on November 13, 2005, 08:32:57 am
I do not normally do this sort of thing, however:  Pat, I realize we are on the eve of playoff brackets and the like but why is Coach G's 250th victory receiving so little press?  I suppose if Lycoming were the cream of the MAC this year and on their way to the NCAA's it would be a better and bigger story.  Regardless, it is a lifetime accomplishment that is clearly due some attention and yet I see not a mention of it on the D3 web site other than some random postings from guys like me.

Naturally, victory has many parents while defeat usually remains an orphan.

In the words of O'Reilly:  "What say you?"

All the best.


CONGRATS LYCO,

UNION 82 normally does not do this either, but U82 believes Pat and the other D-3 site keepers have been "a bit busy" since 5:00 PM yesterday.

Most of the pages to the site weren't accessible SAT night due to traffic. I'm sure they wil get to it.

It certainly is an honor well worth mentioning, and is an honor to all who have contributed to the long-term success as well, coaches, players, fans as well.
CONGRATS AGAIN. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 13, 2005, 12:26:26 pm
I will certainly have some recognition of the accomplishment this week in my column...but whatever you do, don't ask Pat Coleman to put something on the site today about it.

This weekend is the number one weekend of the year for traffic on the website.  Pat Coleman is in Bristol, CT preparing for his appearance on ESPN's selection show.  Predicting the brackets is tougher this year because there are more variables to consider with more teams. 

And beyond that...250 is one thing...but John Gagliardi has triple the wins plus some.  This isn't exactly a record or anything.  Frank Girardi has done some great things at Lyco, and congrats for the milestone.

If it happened on another weekend, expect more play.  That being said...it was the main sports story in the Williamsport Sun Gazette...

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=330
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 13, 2005, 12:37:05 pm
Despite MaAggie5's comments regarding good sportsmanship in the Widener/Del Val game, I will contend the sarcasm...

Not a single personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, late hit, unnecessary roughness...the line for the postgame handshake stretched across the field. 

If there were one or two players who evaded the handshake, so be it - but for the heated rivalry that this game tends to be, Gordon and I remarked at how clean it was.  A good testament to both coaches and their teams.

And if someone wants to come on and say so and so was talking smack throughout the game, go ahead and do so...but find me a game where that really doesn't happen...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rolevio on November 13, 2005, 12:39:33 pm
I will certainly have some recognition of the accomplishment this week in my column...but whatever you do, don't ask Pat Coleman to put something on the site today about it.

This weekend is the number one weekend of the year for traffic on the website.  Pat Coleman is in Bristol, CT preparing for his appearance on ESPN's selection show.  Predicting the brackets is tougher this year because there are more variables to consider with more teams. 

And beyond that...250 is one thing...but John Gagliardi has triple the wins plus some.  This isn't exactly a record or anything.  Frank Girardi has done some great things at Lyco, and congrats for the milestone.

If it happened on another weekend, expect more play.  That being said...it was the main sports story in the Williamsport Sun Gazette...

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=330

In addition, Guru also mentioned on the LL board that the servers crashed last yesterday as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 13, 2005, 12:41:40 pm
maAggie
If you want to point out the negative in every situation becareful.  Please do not start with any talk about the sportsmanship. It was a great football game with each team leaving it all on the field. There was one WU player who choose to go directly to the lockerroom because he was to upset. One coach followed him to make sure that there was not any problems.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BomberJeff on November 13, 2005, 01:26:40 pm
Delaware Valley gets to host Curry (no surprise there), but Wilkes makes it in for a first round match against Rowan.

Congrats to both, and good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2005, 01:30:10 pm
Congrats to both DVC and Wilkes for selection into the NCAA East Region playoffs.

Here's to you both having a deep run into the playoffs and showing others the true grit of the MAC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 13, 2005, 01:32:43 pm
WOW!!!...The Colonels get it!!!...TWO REP's FROM THE LEAGUE SOME HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE...Go Aggies & Go Wilkes...Represent the MAC well!!!...Simba

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 13, 2005, 02:20:50 pm
Congrats to DVC and Wilkes for making the field of 32!!!!  While DVC had the AQ and was not a surprse, the WILKES addition was awesome to see!!!  Here's hoping that both teams represent our MAC Conference well!!!

Wilkes - pummel ROWAN!!!!  We're counting on you!

DVC - destroy CURRY!!!!  Take it deep into the playoffs this year!!

Let's give the WEST something to think about and earn some respect here in the EAST!!!  Go MAC!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 13, 2005, 08:50:21 pm
Man I remember when Del Val couldn't even catch a cold :o and now look where they are at, the playoffs. Well, congrats to Del Val and their coaching staff! 

One the greatest coaches ever to coach in the MAC wins his 250 VICTORY ;D Congrats to this short Italian man.  You keep on winning "G" Coach Girardi
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 14, 2005, 08:50:06 am
What a great weekend for the MAC. Two teams in the Dance. Maybe the conference can finally start to get some  respect. Good Luck to both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 14, 2005, 08:57:42 am
WUDLINE:

Say what? Over the years, the MAC has certainly received its fair share of respect.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 09:22:23 am
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2005, 09:57:38 am
Dr

Normally I would just smite you for that comment, but since you're a likeable guy...I'll let that go....

PS that comment might offend the 2 Wilkes posters on this board...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 10:23:29 am
Smite if you must, cuz I really don't care. I don't lose any sleep at night because of my rating. As for those 2 Wilkes posters, time to come out and play!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 14, 2005, 12:29:16 pm
Congrats to Wilkes on getting a bid.  I hope they do well so no more MAC teams ranked in the nation, but second in the conference ever have to sit at home again.

Here's to Wilkes, but here's to Widener, Lycoming, etc who had great teams but were overlooked.

Lyco is done tho...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 14, 2005, 04:00:35 pm
What position will the bulletin board play for Lyco?  Or maybe the bulletin board could coach???

Lyco is done.  Those kids are gonna pack it in just like they did last year.

patron2

While I am proud of my positive karma points I am obliged to point out your previous posting was in gravely in error.  "Those kids" did not, in fact, "pack it in just like they did last year."  Instead, they found a way each week to win - including a tough OT win against nationally ranked IC.

For the record, my crowing about Lycoming's 6-4 record begain only after you felt called to slight them.  After your pronouncement, they managed to run off five wins in a row and showed some true character when that was all they had left to prove.

But, like the song says, "there are none so blind as those who will not see."

By the way - despite ranting against Lycoming, who do you root for?

I say good luck Wilkes and DVC in the NCAAs.

Lastly, this D3 bulletin board is a very imprecise science that permits anyone to pop off about anything.  Therefore, I think it behooves us to consider not only the content but the tone of postings and how foolish we might look later on for making such radical pronouncements that ultimately reveal how access to a computer does not necessarily mean we are well-informed.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2005, 06:21:27 pm
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.

you can ask linfield too, they might have an idea.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 14, 2005, 06:54:02 pm
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.

you can ask linfield too, they might have an idea.  :D

Linfield has never been to the BORO JO!!  Maybe the results would differ if they did.  Hopefully, your boys (IC) will make a trip down to S. Jersey. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2005, 07:02:00 pm
Yea Rowan probably would have won like 35-6 I bet if the game was played there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 14, 2005, 08:02:11 pm
What do you Widner fans think about the game this Sat against Montclair ? What are the facilities at Widner like. I hear this board is the place for negative Karma, so I'm told.

LET'S  GO  MIGHTY  RED  HAWKS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 14, 2005, 09:28:12 pm
Patron2 to say Lyco is done come on, every dynasty falls but eventually they will rebuild again.  Lycoming College Football really put MAC football on the map in the late 80s and the 90s. Hell coach G has more wins by himself than a lot of other programs do in the MAC.  Lyco represented the MAC twice in the Stagg Bowl and a lot of playoff appearances. So the great one ,Girardi, will have his program back.  A person with his experience, you never count him and his team out. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 14, 2005, 09:55:38 pm
What do you Widner fans think about the game this Sat against Montclair ? What are the facilities at Widner like. I hear this board is the place for negative Karma, so I'm told.


LET'S  GO  MIGHTY  RED  HAWKS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd say don't go on the E8 board unless you want bad Karma...I got -4 on one fact I expressed after we beat Ithaca...Tough crowd...  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 12:32:58 am
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i'd say don't go on the E8 board unless you want bad Karma...I got -4 on one fact I expressed after we beat Ithaca...Tough crowd...  :)
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Funny, I have never observed you to have bad karma in more than twenty years of knowing you.  Maybe it was just the shock of losing to a team they might have been looking past?

Regardless, they are a witty, knowledgeable but brutal bunch to one another.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 15, 2005, 08:32:30 am
First and foremost congrats DelVal and Wilkes for getting into the dance. I wish you both only the best of luck. And Ill be at the Wilkes game Saturday.

After witnessing the horrendous performance of Widener and DelVal Saturday I think DelVal is gonna have a tough time in the post season. Their lack of a power running game will hurt them, however they have been there before and know what it takes to win.

I think Wilkes has a good chance to shock Rowan this week. Wilkes is very strong up front on both sides of the ball and very physical. I think they will pound the ball and control the clock. If they can keep it close they have a chance.

Good luck MAC teams this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 15, 2005, 08:46:01 am
I dont think that the climate is the same for Lyco any more.  The things that Coach G was able to do to build his program 30 years ago, will not work anymore.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to their facilities.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to the recruiting.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to their coaches salaries.

Other teams in the conference are closer to the talent pool of the Philly area.

Coach G is a product of timing, not coaching talent.  He got into the game when it was ripe for the picking, so he gets credit for that.  But for him to rebuild Lycoming into a national power again?  I just dont see it happening with so many other teams stepping up.  The recruits will be spread a little thinner.  The location of the school will be a bigger factor.  The facilities Lycoming has arent as shiny and new as they once were.

The Jones' have caught up to Lyco.  It is just not the same place that it once was, except for the arrogance from its fans, coaches, and players.




Patron2 to say Lyco is done come on, every dynasty falls but eventually they will rebuild again.  Lycoming College Football really put MAC football on the map in the late 80s and the 90s. Hell coach G has more wins by himself than a lot of other programs do in the MAC.  Lyco represented the MAC twice in the Stagg Bowl and a lot of playoff appearances. So the great one ,Girardi, will have his program back.  A person with his experience, you never count him and his team out. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 08:49:58 am
patron2:

Just out of curiosity, do you have hard evidence to back up your claims above?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 15, 2005, 12:12:22 pm
The E8 posters a humorless lot. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 15, 2005, 12:14:19 pm
UTah, JT... what is up with the haters on the E8 stealing all my karma like it was their's... damn I am tired of it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 01:17:35 pm
patron2:

Just out of curiosity, do you have hard evidence to back up your claims above?



patron2 - concur w/ WT

As a member of the Lycoming College alumni board I know that of which I write:

Let me reiterate - during the timespan you cite - Lycoming added a new gymnasium, recreational center complete with indoor track, and much-improved football and soccer complex - the latter with turf field.  So much for facilities.  (By the way - a new facility campaign is in the offing too with significant millions of dollars already pledged).

Rob Curry, Assistant AD, continues to recruit across the NJ-PA-NY spectrum as always, and is making inroads into MD - so much for recruiting.

The school has not moved in its proximity from Philly or South Jersey or anywhere else in nearly 200 years.  Despite that, student-athletes somehow manage to make the arduous and long trek to Williamsport every year from Philly and elsewhere.  I noticed many cars in the parking lot at Lycoming too so somebody must be able to stomach the ride up the northeast extension from Philly and South Jersey.

Did you know, for a fact, that there is a 500 mile radius that college administrators know is nearly inviolate for student matriculation?  Therefore, since research indicates that students will attend colleges within a 500 mile radius - and Williamsport is clearly within that arc for the areas you cite - your concern regarding the distance and passing other schools is debunked.

Granted, other schools have improved - some significantly - as in the case of DVC.  However, Widener has always been a MAC power and Albright and Wilkes always very tough opponents regardless of everything you point out.  This is more an ebb and flow than a hard and fast trend.  Besides, if Lycoming were to implode tomorrow the football team's record of accomplishment would still be striking.
 
Naturally, I am proud of my alma mater, but pride does not blind me to acknowledge the accomplishments of DVC, Wilkes and Widener, especially DVC, recently. 
 
If you take the long view you will see that MAC teams and others rise and fall.  For instance, Western Maryland, aka McDaniel, used to be a terror but has lately fallen on hard times.  Maybe they are too far from Philly also?

As if all this were not enough, and it should be:

the college endowment grew from 17 million dollars to 116 million dollars, the college has an extremely small student faculty ratio, 90% of the students receive financial aid, the college is ranked with 100 other top schools with the highest bond rating (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Williams, etc), 90% of all faculty are at their terminal degree point - meaning that Lycoming enjoys a tremenduous ratio of Ph.D to instructor ratio ensuring that you sit under accomplished instructors not graduate students.  Need I go on?

The MAC board breathlessly awaits your reasoned reply.

However, since to date you only seem to be able to muster opinions . . .  (please feel free to finish this anyway you choose).

And besides ranting - you still have not declared who you root for. 

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 15, 2005, 01:45:26 pm
NNR,

Some people who journey on to post patterns take opinions posted as personal affronts.   It seems to affect certain boards more than others: NWC, OAC, E8, NJAC sometimes.  That's why the LL is so much fun. If they know they are getting under your skin, they'll make a concerted effort to drive that person nuts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 15, 2005, 02:02:12 pm
yeah i just took -3 more in 2 minutes...the fun times are over for nNR
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: guyman on November 15, 2005, 02:39:26 pm
Good Luck to Moravian in the ECAC Playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 15, 2005, 03:01:45 pm
-2 on our own board now...I'm starting to feel like I work for the Bush Administration...  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 15, 2005, 03:16:04 pm
 I feel like I should weigh in on this conversation about Lyco's demise between Lyco80 and patron2.  My son, a Freshman @ lyco was on Juniata's, Susquehanna's, LVC's, Albright's, Bloom's, and Ship's radar coming out of school.  All quality schools in their own regard, some alittle better academically, some alittle better facilities,some good in football, some good in Basketball, some good in Baseball.  My son qualified for acceptance in all those schools, but chose lyco.  HE'S REASONING- Lyco just felt right, because so many things were similiar in nature and we compared, and crunch numbers, analyzed everything.  We do have Family that attend some of those other schools I mentioned so we had an insiders view of their schools.  My son couldn't be happier with his decision, and after the way the team finished up with 5 in a row, there's no their done.  Good Football players, in good academic standing are still choosing lyco over other schools.  So what if there not getting most of the kids out of the Catholic league in philly.  Plenty of ball players around, would love to see lyco make a bigger push in Dist.3 (Mid-Penn).  Patron 2 your arguement doesn't hold water, no dynasty has lasted forever, NONE!  Patron-where did all this hate come from?  No one hugged you when you where little?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 15, 2005, 03:18:25 pm
no time to proof-sorry
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 03:41:37 pm
Hmmmmm ... I see that Widener, some of whose fans and ex-players have recently heaped contumely on the ECAC Championship Bowls, is in fact hosting one such contest. Apparently no slaps in the face this time around ....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 15, 2005, 04:09:02 pm
 >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 04:34:39 pm
First and foremost congrats DelVal and Wilkes for getting into the dance. I wish you both only the best of luck. And Ill be at the Wilkes game Saturday.

After witnessing the horrendous performance of Widener and DelVal Saturday I think DelVal is gonna have a tough time in the post season. Their lack of a power running game will hurt them, however they have been there before and know what it takes to win.

I think Wilkes has a good chance to shock Rowan this week. Wilkes is very strong up front on both sides of the ball and very physical. I think they will pound the ball and control the clock. If they can keep it close they have a chance.

Good luck MAC teams this week.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 04:38:10 pm
Chum,

No disrespect intended, merely trying to attempt another way of post-quoting.

I agree about Wilkes - they played a very physical brand of football at Lycoming during the homecoming game.  They seemed to tire in the second half or Lycoming made the necessary adjustments.  However, throughout the contest the were aggressive and relentless.

I think we may be pleased with the way the Colonels represent the MAC - but I could be wrong.

Thanks for the post jb.  Perhaps I can meet your son when next I am on campus.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 15, 2005, 04:48:29 pm
widener is facing a good team for the third straight week,  this ecac game surely will be an excelent chance to end the season on a high note.  8-3 sure would look alot better than 7-4.  good luck to widener, wilkes, and del val.   the mac looks as if its evolving into one of the top confrences in the nation.  big week guys!!!  3-0

this bid is no slap in the face, obviously.  its a great chance to play another opponent from a confrence that they had rarely ever played against.  however; if widener was facing another mac team, that they had already taken care of, it would be stupid to play.  just make it a jv game for the younger players.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 15, 2005, 04:49:18 pm
UTah, JT... what is up with the haters on the E8 stealing all my karma like it was their's... damn I am tired of it

NNR, if you have around -5 to +5 kharma thats a good thing.  It means you have the balls to speak your mind.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers on November 15, 2005, 04:56:44 pm
He's been complaining about it all day.

Low Karma is to the LL posters, what the spelling IthIca is to Ithaca posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 04:57:35 pm
zoolander:

While the MAC is not, overall, on a level with, say, the OAC or the ASC, it has never been one of the "low" football conferences.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 05:01:21 pm
jonny utah:

It's one thing to "have the balls to speak your mind." It's an altogether different thing to spout nonsense, insult, and wallow in other great shame and vice ....  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 15, 2005, 05:25:59 pm
jonny utah:

It's one thing to "have the balls to speak your mind." It's an altogether different thing to spout nonsense, insult, and wallow in other great shame and vice ....  :P

You are right Warren!!! but from -5 to 5 isnt that bad.  Here is how I see it.

Kharma Scale

+50 Kharma or above- Pat Coleman or another administrators that people are afraid to smite because they think d3football.com people will find out about it and do bad things to them.  They will roam every board on postpatterns, gaining respect and fear from posters across the land.

+20 to +40 Kharma-These are the types of guys that have funny comments, witty posts, sarcastic responces to unfunny posts, and a general positive mood on the board.  About 25% of their posts are actually about football, and 75% of thier posts are on one board.

+5 to +20 Kharma These are the guys who are pretty funny, generally positive and who usually know quite a bit about football and will bring up good points in discussions on the boards.  They won't kiss ass, but they won't spew ignorance either.

-5 to +5 Kharma  These are the dirtdogs of d3football.com.  They arent afraid of pointing out stupid posts.  They will antoganize posters that deserve it.  They have the time to go back to september posts from other posters to point out stupid things they said.  They will often go to other boards to look for stupid things people say and then laugh at them.  They aren't nice, but they bring the goods.  They speak the truth even though the truth hurts.  And they will be in your face about it.  A cocky lot this group is.

-25 to -5 Kharma  These are the cavemen of d3football.com.  They spew negative posts like snow in a blizzard.  They put down other posters.  They put down teams.  They blame every loss their team has on field conditions or injuries.  They usually whine and instead of bringing up facts or stats to back up their arguments they say things like "I heard [your team here]s quarterback is gay".  They rarely apologize about stupid things they say, and their posts 95 percent of the time are about other posters and not football.

-25 Kharma or below These are the people who have an agenda.  They want to get a coach fired.  They want to bring up personal things about people on the website.  They rub it in your face if thier team is good and disapear when their team is gone.  They will make up fake email adresses and get more fake usernames.  They are a sorry bunch of characters who might be unemployed and spend their time thinking about how to find out where "montclairfan99" lives so they can mail them dead fish and rotten eggs.  This is a lot to avoid at all costs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers on November 15, 2005, 05:34:14 pm
One of the best things I have read in a while JU!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 07:24:22 pm
one of the dumbest things i've ever read-- JO :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 07:38:12 pm
JU,

And yet, within three posts, your points are so eloquently made.

Touche', mon frer!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 08:24:24 pm
Nice write-up on the Wilkes site previewing this weekend's game with Rowan.  I see Wilkes doesn't give up many points per game.  Therefore, I'd like to know why they gave up so many points to 2-8 Susquehanna  ??? did the "D" stay on the sidelines??  Curious??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 15, 2005, 09:13:42 pm
Yes - Wilkes had their 2nd D in for most of the 4th Qt and Susquehanna kept the 1st O in till almost the end
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 09:53:11 pm
Makes sense Griz.  Should be an interesting game Sat.  GOOD LUCK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 15, 2005, 10:33:39 pm
Patron2,
Did some girl turn you down at Lyco?  :P or Did Lyco reject you as a football player?  Maybe this patron2 has a learning disorder, please go to the Lycoming College website and have someone orally read the content to you.  I believe the sight words are probably giving you trouble. ;D When Lyco was good, there was more players from other PIAA schools than from philly.  So Lyco gets their recruits from other areas beside philly. This boy is SILLY! Here is a tissue to wipe your tears because those nasty Lyco fans and players have hurt your feelings. Patron2, you can talk about your feelings, the post pattern community will help you through your tough times.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 15, 2005, 10:49:12 pm
Good luck to Widener and Moravian on your ECAC games! 
Let's win and do the MAC proud!!!!   

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
The MAC will be rooting for you!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2005, 11:01:24 pm
Grizzman:

Good to have a Wilkes fan aboard.  Invite your friends to join the Post Patterns community -- we need more of you guys.

And good luck to Matt this weekend. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 16, 2005, 08:22:19 am
Good luck to the MAC schools this Weekend.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2005, 11:59:41 am
ahhh....back from 2 weeks in hawaii, who went to the dvc/widener game and can give a recap?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 16, 2005, 12:06:11 pm
I was there.Widener had 6 turnovers, DelVal had 1 I believe. Widener had 3 good long drives to score, DelVal ran a double pass for a TD and a bomb hail mary type pass for a TD. It was a very ugly game on both sides. Widener would drive the field but just could not convert it into points. It was tied up for most of the game until DelVal went ahead by 13 with about 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 16, 2005, 12:13:38 pm
wow johnny,  that was an excelent analysis on the whole karma ratings. im gona  head to the njac board and tell them how good they are. u know like kiss some ass to build up my karma points.  ha ha jk!

del val vs. widener,    recap

very sloppy with turnovers, i think about 8 in the first half.
score was close and the lead changed multiple times thoughout the game.  del val sealed the victory after a late touchdown followed by a safty.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 16, 2005, 12:18:45 pm
spell check, oooops.  through out, safety  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2005, 01:39:35 pm
way to go aggies on another undefeated regular season very impressive for the alma mater!!! now hopefully another run in the playoffs!!! good luck to wilkes and widener in their games as well, and to the entire mac on another stellar season is certainly is not an easy division to win in which in my mind makes dvc's accomplishments all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2005, 04:26:36 pm
Widener had four turnovers while DVC had 2.

Steve Fumble at WU 43
Knoblauch intercepted by Todd Fairle, returned to Del Val 31
Lomas intercepted by Justin Porter at Widener 2 (Porter scored)
Prothro fumble at WU 36
Lomas intercepted by Porter at WU 46
Lomas fumble at DVC 17


DVC did score on a 64-yard double pass, but had 396 yards of offense otherwise.  Widener had 327.

WU's scores came on drives of 31, 25 and 79 yards.  The first was set up by Fairle's INT.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 16, 2005, 05:18:48 pm
gordonmann:

thanks for the invite and the good wishes. I don't like to post due to the fact I have a son playing, however I am an avid reader and you guys provide much insight, entertainment, absurdity, and support to the teams you follow and the MAC in general. I like the fact that 99.9% of the posts are positive towards the players and teams and most of the b#*@  bustin is directed at each other.



I'll speak to some of the Wilkes folks about the forum.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 16, 2005, 05:48:07 pm
Grizzman, their are alot of parents that post   :)
welcome aboard. Good luck to your son and the team!

Good luck Del Val and Wilkes!

Go MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 16, 2005, 06:08:47 pm
hey Grizzman,     welcome aboard, there are plenty of parents and many with no agendas, just want to talk football and enjoy different view.  Good luck to your son and wilkes the w/e.  Hopefully the MAC goes 3-0 this weekend ! ....and this from a LYCO fan (and parent).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 16, 2005, 07:50:40 pm
DVC Widener Recap:

DVC36-Widener21
DVC 455 total yds of offense
WU 327 total yds of offense

DVC 194 yds rushing on 45 attmt
WU 163 yds rushing on 32 attmt

DVC 261 yds passing 41 attmt
WU 164 yds passing 29 attmt

Time of possession:
DVC 38.35
WU 21.25

3rd down conversions:
DVC 7/18
WU 3/13

Turnovers:
DVC 1 fumble 2 INT's
WU 2 fumbles 2 INT's

FG attempts
DVC 0/1 blocked
WU 0/1 hit upright

Very intense game both defenses were tough but DVC had 3 sacks vs. 0 for WU.  Widener opened the scoring setup by a Knoblauch INT.
DVC 0 - WU 7
Then DVC scored off an INT by Justin Porter.
DVC 7 - WU 7
DVC's second TD was set up by a fumble
DVC 14 - WU 7 (stayed that way at the half)

WU starts scoring in 3rd after a Knoblauch INT.
DVC 14 - WU 14

DVC took the kick off and scored on the big play Knoblauch to Cook to Knoblauch to Carmon 64 yard TD play.
DVC 21 - WU 14 (at end of 3)

WU then had 3 play 79 yd TD score
DVC 21 - WU 21

DVC then scored on two sustained drives of 11 plays for 66 yds (missed PAT) and 11 plays 64 yds.

Final score was an Anthony Silver sack for a safety.

Great game and DVC was never really in danger of losing as they answered each time WU threatened!

DVC was clearly the best team in the conference this year and certainly won their games easier than last season.

Wilkes is a tough team and should give RU a tough game. It would be great to see them come out of it with the Win.

Good luck DVC vs Curry!

Go AGGIES!!!!








Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on November 17, 2005, 12:40:26 pm
All I keep reading about is how Wilkes is the worst team in the playoffs and shouldn't have been invited.  Those who have played against Wilkes over the years know that this is a team that plays tough, hard-nosed football.  THough I have not seen them play, I am sure this year's team is no exception.  It's about time that two teams from the MAC were chosen to make the playoffs.  I am sure that both DVC and Wilkes will represent the conference well.  Good luck to the Aggies and the Colonels.

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 17, 2005, 12:48:25 pm
I must agree with you LVC Wilkes is a very worthy apponant and if RU takes them for granted they'll be in for a very long afternoon! Good luck Wilkes.

Go AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 01:24:40 pm
All I keep reading about is how Wilkes is the worst team in the playoffs and shouldn't have been invited. 

Don't confuse "last team in" with "worst team in" -- Wilkes got the last at-large bid but they are not the worst team in the playoffs. They would beat Curry and Lakeland for sure, maybe Johns Hopkins or Albion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 17, 2005, 02:11:10 pm
Very true. Posters on other boards are suggesting they were "lucky" to get in when the truth is they were unlucky to be in the same conference as DVC this year otherwise they would have been the MAC champs receiving the automatic bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 02:27:42 pm
They were lucky to get in. They just aren't the worst team in the field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2005, 03:34:17 pm
I wouldnt say they were lucky to get in they earned the right to get in other teams did not earn the right to get in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 17, 2005, 04:21:21 pm
They werent lucky to get in, they were lucky the field was expanded by 4 teams. A few years ago 9-1 didnt get you in in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 06:46:08 pm
I wouldnt say they were lucky to get in they earned the right to get in other teams did not earn the right to get in.

Other teams did earn it as much as Wilkes, but not all were rewarded.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 12:46:32 am
Reminder...

PnG Sports will carry Saturday's first round playoff game live on the internet...

Delaware Valley College vs. Curry College

Live from Doylestown, PA on www.sportsjuice.com.

Pregame at 11:30 AM, kickoff at 12 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2005, 08:38:45 am
>>>Other teams did earn it as much as Wilkes, but not all were rewarded.<<

Again I reiterate myself wilkes was not lucky to get in they earned the right to play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 09:23:04 am
I think we are all misunderstanding the use of the word lucky. It simply implies that alot of things had to go in Wilkes favor for them to get a bid. I do not think anyone is questioning the fact that they deserved to be there. In fact alot of people think they have a good shot at winning this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 18, 2005, 10:41:14 am
Gordon Mann.....will you be including the playoff broadcasts in your annual CD??

Go Widener. Go Wilkes beat Rowan this weekend...all the best to you guys

Go Aggies!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 11:20:18 am
Thanks for the support Billman.  Should be a great week for the MAC Forecast calls for a clean sweep. Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 11:48:59 am
Billman:

Yes, I hope to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 18, 2005, 04:47:00 pm
(http://www.collegestudentathletes.com/images/conferences/mid_atlantic.jpg)

Go get'em this weekend boys!!!...Simba

(http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/images/photo_football_front.jpg)(http://www.wilkes.edu/images/sports/m_fb_left.jpg)(http://www.widener.edu/SiteData/Images/football/56a0b69ec2f91e3cf5322bdea11da641.jpg)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 18, 2005, 04:49:41 pm
Simba,

Great pics and graphic.

Do you plan on attending any of the playoff games?

I might break away if I knew I could tailgate with you somewhere closer to Norfolk.

I have no joy for the teams in this region/area.  It is such a joke to read about teams that get into the NCAAs with a 6-4 record with an AQ.  6-4 gets you third or fourth place in the MAC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 18, 2005, 05:00:54 pm
Simba,

Love the graphics!!!!

Go Aggies, Wilkes and Widener!

Mac Attack!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 18, 2005, 08:02:26 pm
Wow Simba!

If you keep this up, all of your negative karma will soon disappear  ;)

Have a great weekend everyone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 10:32:45 pm
I have been in a few other conference boards and the MAC attitude is the minority. I want to comment on how nice it is to see everyone in the MAC come together and support our teams in the post season. It is a tribute to everyone. We may battle and disagree during the season. However, It shows how much we respect the teams in this conference and want to see them and the conference do well.

Simba - Great pics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:00:53 pm
Isn't Moravian still part of the MAC and aren't they playing in an ECAC game tomorrow also??????

(how did that smiley with the question marks get in my post?  I didn't put it there.)

Great Pics Simba!!

Looking for a MAC sweep tomorrow!!!  GO MAC!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:05:39 pm
Wudline -

I totally agree with your comments about the pulling together and positive support of this conference.  I've also read some of the other boards.  Some boards are very amusing with the subject matter often defering from football but many have a very negative overtone and rehash things to the nth degree. 

GO MAC!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:07:51 pm

Mac Attack!!!!

I like that!!!  Maybe that should be our motto for this playoff season.   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 12:03:40 pm
Gordon-- like your "east" bracket pick, but I know your a big "MAC"er. ::)

At least we can agree on this:  "GO BLUE"!! ;) 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 19, 2005, 02:02:54 pm
Aggies and Curry all tied at 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 02:03:37 pm
Any score on WU/MSU??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 19, 2005, 02:28:17 pm
Ditto to AC'S question. Can't find any score on Montclair vs Widner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 02:29:57 pm
Dave-- I figured you to be at the game!!

NJAC looking good for the moment!!  Hope MSU keeps it going!! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 19, 2005, 02:54:16 pm
DVC 30 - Curry 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 19, 2005, 03:08:53 pm
AC,

Had a major plumbing problem. I figured it out, finished about 2:00PM. Fairy tales can come true. Told you so. ;D Hope the Mighty Red Hawks do as well. [/b] Congrats to the boys from Glassboro, you took care of business. That should be worth some negative karma, but I only spoke the truth. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: chesterlocal on November 19, 2005, 04:36:45 pm
My guys from Chester finally won one in post season....sounded like a good one, 27-18.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 19, 2005, 08:31:49 pm
Congrats to Widener and Moravian for your ECAC wins!!

Congrats to DVC on your win against Curry!!  Moving on to round 2.....STOMP HOBART!!!! ;D

Go MAC!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 19, 2005, 11:47:59 pm
the mac teams are awful, there is no way there should be two teams from the mac in the playoffs!!, Del Val you guys are going to get your butts kicked again vs rowan just like wilkes did
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 20, 2005, 12:01:52 am
the mac teams are awful, there is no way there should be two teams from the mac in the playoffs!!, Del Val you guys are going to get your butts kicked again vs rowan just like wilkes did

Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 08:35:15 am
For the record:

Yesterday there were four MAC teams in competition - 3 of the 4 were victorious on the field of play.

Can the NJAC say the same thing?

MAC Attack!

Go Aggies - thump Rowan!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 20, 2005, 08:54:09 am
Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P

A one point upset does not constitute a stomping.  Its a blip,  a hiccup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 20, 2005, 09:20:19 am
Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched, we need to take care of business with Hobart before anyone can even think about Rowan!


Go Aggies !
Way to go Widener and Moravian!

Wilkes hold your heads up high, you went to the playoffs
be proud of your season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 20, 2005, 09:34:14 am
Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P

A one point upset does not constitute a stomping.  Its a blip,  a hiccup.

A win is a win and that win (yes, that hiccup) was like a stomping for Willy P.  To come out on top over a powerhouse like Rowan just goes to show that David CAN bring down Goliath.  Rowan is known as the beast of the east and they've earned that title.  They are a strong team with a powerful winning history but they are not unbeatable.

And yes, I agree, no counting chickens before they're hatched.  Both DVC and Rowan have formidable opponents to face this coming weekend which will then determine if this game will even be slated.

GO MAC!!   MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 20, 2005, 10:45:37 am
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cscs on November 20, 2005, 11:40:20 am
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 20, 2005, 12:26:32 pm
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14

I think you got that backwards!!  Rowan is a 11.5 point favorite on the OAC pick em board. ;)

Lyco-- ncaa playoff 2005 records:  MAC 1-1 NJAC 1-1 (three points short of a "Double Monkey Stomp" by the NJAC on the "big" MAC) :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cscs on November 20, 2005, 02:34:02 pm
All that proves is that the OAC knows nothing about Union
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 04:40:06 pm
Dave looks like WU 27 MSU 18 !! 

AC - these are your words from a post on the NJAC page - guess the other ECAC games mattered enough for you to comment on them and add a frown face too.

MAC Attack!  Go Aggies!  Beat Rowan!!!

Oh, and just to keep the juices flowing a bit more - as if you needed any help -

I was there for the LYCO upset of Rowan in 1997 and how sweet it was to see the Profs sitting on the field after the game upon losing to a smash-mouth, sod-field, football team from the MAC.  They didn't even have any starters from DI of DII on the team!  I even heard the head coach took them to the Stagg Bowl site and assured them they would be playing their in December - oops!!!!

Granted LYCO got creamed by another powerhouse MT. UNION team the next week - but Rowan lost in Williamsport when it counted for them and they were ahead 21-0 at half time.

I still have the tape too - want to come over and view it with me?

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 04:41:51 pm
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares

If noboby cares - why do they keep score?

Go MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 20, 2005, 04:56:57 pm
Yeah !! I was posting the score for a MSU fan!!  And I wouldn't worry about a game played in 1997 cause its almost 2006.  However, I did listen to that game on the radio and it was probably one of the biggest homer officiated games I ever heard.  Rowan probably would have had a similar fate in facing the BIG PURPLE!!

Its hard for Rowan fans to respect the MAC after their last two games against RU.  Maybe, if the MAC would schedule more NJAC teams during the regular season, more respect would come from the NJAC and RU.

I'm hopeful that with the size of the MAC decreasing that more games can be made with NJAC teams to fill regular season schedules.  I believe Widener has a home and home with RU soon and it would be nice to see DVC or Lyco play some regular season games with the stronger teams in the NJAC.

Good turnaround this year for your boys!!  Honestly, I think Hobart is going to beat DVC, but if Rowan can beat Union; I would welcome a rematch this time @ DVC.  It's a short ride for RU.

Same to you.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 05:06:28 pm
AC,

Good post, and frankly, I am surprised a bit especially since you have so much bad karma.

I agree that the changing composition of the MAC may make for more cross Delaware River games in the future. 

I will grant that NJAC has some good teams - mostly the usual suspects.  However, the MAC seems to be a rolling boil with someone always poised to break to the top.  Naturally there are a few programs always in the hunt for the crown - but it just seems to me that on average the NJAC cannot contend with the MAC league v. league.  Also - I grew up in NJ so I don't want you think I have a PA bias.

It will be interesting to monitor and see what happens next.

By the way - I listened to the Union game and those boys flat out bring it.  If RU hopes to win they will have to bring their "A" game.  IC is a good team and a great program and they were in a footrace they just could not win with the Dutchmen.

It will be interesting - particularly with the injuries - to see how the Profs fare this week.

All the best.  (not flippant - my signature line)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 21, 2005, 09:07:09 am
Well done Mac Attack 3 out 4!!! Congrats to Widener and Wilkes should be commended on a great season. As for my Aggies they had me nervous at half time but got things going in the second half. No more of this stuff they need to bring it the first half from now on!!! I should be able to make it over to the hobart game this week and hopefully watch a Aggie win!!!  Although i didnt make it to the game i listened on the radio and the kicker bill miller absolutely laid the lumber to curry's return man i wished i had seen it in person!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 21, 2005, 05:46:45 pm
WEOS will have the Hobart and Delaware Valley contest on the air.

Http://www.weos.org/live.html

11:30AM EST air time
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 21, 2005, 07:52:00 pm
RM,

Thanks - who is providing the coverage?

btw - anyone who wants to listen in on the Rowan-Union game can probably catch in on the sporstjuice.com site just be forewarned that it will most likely be heavily tilted toward the Ducthmen - "not that there is anything wrong with that!"  "No, of course not."

"My mother's a Dutchmen . . ."

Go Aggies - MAC Attack!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 21, 2005, 08:16:32 pm
Simba,

Are you out there?  Any attempts to see a playoff game in the offing?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 21, 2005, 08:18:42 pm
Although i didnt make it to the game i listened on the radio and the kicker bill miller absolutely laid the lumber to curry's return man i wished i had seen it in person!!!

Ub,
it was an awesome block!!!  Like it stated in the "Philly Burbs" it looked like the runner ran full speed right into a fire hydrant.  Bill Miller just stood there, turned sideways and the kid bounced off of him so hard all you could hear from everyone in the stands in unison was "ooowww".   It had to be the toughest, hardest block I saw just about all season and Bill did it effortlessly.  

Looking for an Aggie win this Saturday against Hobart!  ;D

GO MAC!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 21, 2005, 09:19:22 pm
Lycos80:

Radiomike is referring to the Hobart station's broadcast on WEOS.  They do a nice job.

I'll also be broadcasting the contest for Delaware Valley on www.sportsjuice.com with pregame at 11:30 AM.  I suspect you listened to me last week for Curry/Del Val (which I appreciate it).

Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 21, 2005, 11:57:01 pm
RM,
Thanks - who is providing the coverage?
Ted Baker and Avery Dove do the game. I filled in on color for a few games this year, but mostly deal with the production and tech.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 22, 2005, 10:08:35 am
upbrmeasap.....Yes it was a nice hit from the kicker, who dosent look like the average licker. The game was turning into another nail biter then the flood gates opened.

Nice Job Widener and Moravian.....Nice effort Wilkes...at least you made it to the dance.


FYI...Del Val QB was name The Philadelphis Outstanding Amateur Athlete.

Go AGGIES...BEAT HOBART!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 22, 2005, 10:20:25 am

I will grant that NJAC has some good teams - mostly the usual suspects.  However, the MAC seems to be a rolling boil with someone always poised to break to the top.  Naturally there are a few programs always in the hunt for the crown - but it just seems to me that on average the NJAC cannot contend with the MAC league v. league.  Also - I grew up in NJ so I don't want you think I have a PA bias.


Results of NJAC v MAC games since 99 (that's how far back Pat has the results in the region pages.

William Paterson   Wilkes   21-17
New Jersey   FDU-Florham   42-20
Rowan   Wilkes   42-3
Widener   Montclair State   27-18

2004
William Paterson   Delaware Valley   0-35
Rowan   Delaware Valley   56-7

2003
Delaware Valley   William Paterson   26-12
Delaware Valley   New Jersey   54-37

2002
Wilkes   Montclair State   31-7

2001
Montclair State   Wilkes   28-0

2000
Delaware Valley   Montclair State   13-14
FDU-Florham   William Paterson   22-23

1999
Delaware Valley   William Paterson   33-38
William Paterson   FDU-Florham   7-17

As you can see this year NJAC 3 Mac 1, more games than most years.  Overall NJAC 8 MAC 6 counting playoffs (both ECAC and NCAA)
Comparing league to league top to bottom, I think the NJAC is stronger at the top, Rowan has a perion of continued dominance that MSU has occasionally interupted.  The MAC seems to rotate at the top more often.  The middle tier teams are probably even.  For the NJAC that would be TCNJ, Cortland State and possibly West Conn.  Bottom feeders probably even, give the MAC the edge due to more teams in the conference in its current form.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 22, 2005, 10:49:52 am
me thinks billman you have good inside knowledge on the dvc kicker.... :)    I will try to find you on saturday if/when i get to the game let me know where you will be sitting...also what was the attendance like at last weeks game? was the stadium crowded i am trying to plan on when to get to the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2005, 06:07:29 pm
Congrats to Knoblauch on being named a Gagliardi Trophy finalist.

However the postseason ends, he's come a long way from that hardware store in Tamaqua.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MAC05 on November 22, 2005, 10:51:29 pm
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares
 

source:

whats your problem? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2005, 12:10:06 pm
I am off thru the weekend and most likely wont be online so  GGGGGGGOOOOOO      AAAAAGGGGGGGGIIIIIEEEESSS!!!
 Beat Hobart!!!! Hopefully i will be at the game and billman i will try to catch up to you....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 23, 2005, 02:14:25 pm
MAC05...I see this is your first post. welcome to this board. Dont waste your time responding to "The Source". Nothing but negativity comes from there and anything you post regarding the MAC will get knocked. Just another closet Rowan fan on the Bandwagon....AGAIN!  Rowan is clearly a team that belongs in DII or DIAA but would rather stay in DIII and be successful. I wont post my opinions regarding personnel or recruiting as it is only heresay and really no one wants to hear it. I do think this will stir the pot a bit but who knows.
Anyway, good luck and again welcome to the MAC board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 23, 2005, 02:41:32 pm
Yes, Rowan, Mount Union, the WIAC schools (more because of b-ball success) and lets add Linfield to the list all belong in D-II or D-IAA because the other teams in D-III have not figured out how to maintain a level of success that keeps them on top of heap.  Lets add a couple of the Texas schools to that list too.

These schools must obviously be cheating to maintain their success.  Hard work, continued success and being good schools have nothing to do with it.  I know, they all have Dr. Moreaux' on staff to create good football players in a lab, growing them in test tubes and incubators.

Give me a break, I hate Rowan and they have never cheated, they have taken advantage of loopholes in the rules but that is not cheating, that was a result of a flawed NCAA rule which has been fixed.  Accorsi (sp) doesn't bring in transfers like Keeler did but his teams are still successful.

If Rowan went D-II or IAA the other programs would have to also and they aren't that dominant.  RU basketball is back with the pack.  The other sports on both the mens and womens side are good, among the best in the NJAC but you don't see their NJAC competition calling for them to leave D-III.  When it comes to game time it is put up or shut up and Rowan puts up almost all the time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 23, 2005, 04:22:09 pm
Hobart Football vs Delaware Valley Game Notes
http://www.hws.edu/athletics/hobart/showrelease.asp?id=2877
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 23, 2005, 06:06:05 pm
Stalker,

Agree with your post regarding your dislike for Rowan and the quality of other D3 schools across the land.

Always wondered why Mt Union was able to stay in D3 with all those victories.  Interesting to note that Hofstra moved up after some D3 success in the early 1990s - although there was that upset by Lycoming!

By the way, I know Dino Hall, former G'Boro standout and returner for the Cleveland Browns before they became the Baltimore Ravens etc.

Regardless, it is interesting to note that many teams remain extremely successful at D3 and to wonder aloud why they do not move up and what the outcome might be if they did:  for their program and in the vacuum they would create in their departure.

Enjoy the pecan pie!

Happy Thanksgiving to all MAC fans everywhere, especially any serving overseas in the most important uniform - the nation's.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2005, 08:34:53 pm
Always wondered why Mt Union was able to stay in D3 with all those victories.  Interesting to note that Hofstra moved up after some D3 success in the early 1990s - although there was that upset by Lycoming!

They had no choice if they wanted to remain Division I in all their other sports.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 24, 2005, 11:15:08 am
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Enjoy, Be safe!

Go Aggies!!!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MAC05 on November 24, 2005, 03:39:17 pm
Kevin Lukich-FB-Moravian has been selected to the Aztec Bowl...has anyone else from the MAC been named to it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 24, 2005, 04:10:02 pm
bill,

maybe you should take some notes on recruiting from Rowan that way maybe FDU maybe able to get more than a couple wins a season, maybe they need a new strength coach too
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2005, 04:43:25 pm
Hmm, 16 posts and by my count you've been an a**hole in about 13 of them. We don't need this source material.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tjross76 on November 24, 2005, 09:12:11 pm
Hello everyone new user to the message board. I would just like to intrduce myself before i start commenting on games and stuff so people aren't wondering who the heck i am.  I played football in the mac 2 years before so i have some experience in the Mac.  Well everyone have a safe thanksgiving and i hope all teams participating in this weekends game have a safe one and exp. GO AGGIES

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 24, 2005, 09:49:27 pm
Best of Luck to DVC's Adam Knoblauch on his Gagliardi nomination!  What an honor it is to be in the running.  Here's hoping he wins the award!  GO MAC!

TJRoss, welcome to the board!

Go Aggies!  Beat Hobart!  MAC ATTACK!!

Me has a feeling the weather is going to be BRUTAL on Saturday.  Looking forward to drinking some hot chocolate and meeting some new friends.  I'll find you on Saturday Billman56.   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 24, 2005, 10:10:19 pm
tj

Welcome aboard!  Good to have another poster familiar with MAC league comings and goings.

The more the merrier!

It was sweet to see Dallas lose in OT today - as a true Eagles fan I am always happy to see anyone in the division lose even if the Eagles cannot win.

Here's to an Aggie W on Saturday followed by an Eagle W on Sunday!

MAC Attack!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 25, 2005, 11:13:08 am
Posters,
The regular season is over.  It's important that we, as MAC family, support the Aggies.  Yes, during the regular season they are the enemy, if your not an Aggie fan.  They are representing all of us now, so lets get behind these kids, coaches, and program and wish them well.  Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving, and wishing everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.  GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on November 25, 2005, 12:19:43 pm
The Source is a pinerider or has big brother on the team.

As for Bill's weight program. I loved it and benefited from it!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 25, 2005, 03:30:14 pm
The Source....I dont know too much about FDU or their staff, nor am I familiar with their recruiting requirements. I pull for the Aggies and have been an Aggie fan for some time now. 

Rowan is Rowan and they can do whatever they want, all I was saying was that if they continue to be as dominant as they have been in the past maybe they should step up to better competition to get some respect in an upper Division. Maybe they just want to be the big fish in the small pond and are afraid to step up?? Who knows?

4Man...will be looking for you tomorrow...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 25, 2005, 07:35:27 pm
(http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/images/photo_football05.jpg)

[/sub]GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2005, 12:02:00 am
Game time in about 12 hours!

If you can't make it to Doylestown, you can still feel like you're at the game.  The game will be broadcast live over the internet.

SportsJuice/Del Val: http://www.sportsjuice.com
WEOS/Hobart: Http://www.weos.org/live.html

Airtime is 11:30 AM for both streams with kickoff at 12 PM.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 26, 2005, 11:34:00 am
Good luck today Del Val

Represent us well....

Go MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 01:09:31 pm
Anyone tell me what is going on with DVC and Hobart - besides just the score - I can read that on the website.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 01:55:59 pm
sounds like a hellava defensive game...playing field position

Let's go DVC!

Go Mac!!  MAC ATTACK!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 01:58:59 pm
TD !  Aggies !!!!   yeah ....Go Mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 26, 2005, 02:39:03 pm
(http://www.collegestudentathletes.com/images/conferences/mid_atlantic.jpg)
MAC ATTACK!!! 21-14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 02:52:05 pm
way to go AGGIES,  21-14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 02:55:48 pm
DVC wins over Hobart - 21 to 14

MAC Attack, indeed!!!

Congrats to Hobart on a great season and a nail-biting finish

4th and 5 with 5 seconds to go . . . only to come up empty in the endzone.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 03:21:24 pm
AGGIES vs PROFS in the NCAA Quarterfinals.

Let's hear it for the MAC this week boys.

Lycoming is first in my heart - then anyone who represents the MAC/or plays Rowan.

I have club box seats for ARMY-NAVY or else I would be making the pilgrimmage to Doylestown to root the MAC on to victory.

GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!!!!!

GO AGGIES!!!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on November 26, 2005, 03:48:05 pm
Here we come boys,

Great victory over those LL teams-they sure are a bunch of whiners.

Lets have a great East Region Final!

CK

GO PROFS!!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 26, 2005, 05:46:07 pm
Way to go Aggies! Great win today!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: trkdog on November 26, 2005, 06:48:14 pm
Good Job Aggies make us MAC alums proud and smoke Rowan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:02:56 am
I lost karma points for congratulating a team?


You know this is really stupid when just being a supporter of a certain school gets you bad karma.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 11:26:58 am
I lost karma points for congratulating a team?


You know this is really stupid when just being a supporter of a certain school gets you bad karma.



If you happen to take a look around, just about everyone posting in the MAC has negative karma.  Not sure who's responsible for all the smiting but then again, I don't really care.  Just thought I'd point that out to you.

Congrats to DVC for finally pulling out the win from the Hobart game.  Great game it was too!  Scoreless for 3 quarters.  Would have liked to have seen some larger points posted but very glad for the win regardless.

Now on to next week!  Let's get ready for Rowan.  It can be done!

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 27, 2005, 11:37:29 am
I have the same problem... last 4 post results in -3 karma for rooting on the MAC (Attack).

oh well !

I'll probably be -4 after this.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:43:28 am
4man.
I see that you are right, I guess we are the red headed step children....oh well...  I will try to gain your perspective on it...


Go Aggies!!!!

Mac Attack!!!!!

(I should have copy righted that..)


 ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 12:06:05 pm


Mac Attack!!!!!

(I should have copy righted that..)


 ;D



Yes, you should have!!  It has a great ring to it and I now use it in every post!  Thanks for the catchy slogan.

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 27, 2005, 02:07:43 pm
Congrats to DVC for another nail biting win...I thought that was all over with from last year but then again its the playoffs. Way to go Aggies!!!

4man...contgrats to your guy, very nice game!!! Will we see you next week??

Upbrmeasap...missed you somehow...hope to meet next week!! Great game!! Just wish they would start scoring earlier.

Simba...thanks for the great posts and all of the other MAC supporters these past 2 weeks.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 04:49:59 pm
Billman - it was great to meet you and yes, we will be there again this week!  Can't wait - is it game time yet???

I've also extended an open arms invitation to Mount Union.  Seems that they aren't too happy about possibly traveling to Del Val so they are rooting for Rowan.  I assured them that "if" we had the opportunity we would be wonderful hosts.  I'm sure the purple royalty would "gag" at the sight of our field but hey, it's what we have to work with until upgrades occur at DelVal.  First things first, let's get past Rowan this year!!!  ........but it would be oh so awesome to host Mount Union!  I would love to see that team play but not willing to travel further than Del Val (unless, of course, the Aggies were playing).

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!

Oh, and when I did the signature to the CCIW post patterns room, I just couldn't bring myself to sign it MAC ATTACK after the Go Aggies!  We don't have the years of winning history as many of the West schools do.  We're still a struggling conference in many eyes so I didn't want to push the positivity thing outside of the MAC posting room.

All, keep rooting for the Aggies!  We need as much good karma for this next game as we can possibly get.   ;D

Simba, I'm very impressed.  Thanks for the support!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 27, 2005, 05:46:00 pm
4man:  you want to talk to MU on the OAC forum not CCIW

billman:  WE'RE BACK!! :-*  DVC gets what they wanted   A rematch @ home with Rowan.  Now, the fun begins!!   ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: religion_major on November 27, 2005, 05:56:56 pm
Good luck to Del Val from a Bridgewater fan.  As ya'll know there is still some bad blood between BC and Rowan after the day time stood still and most everyone in the d3 world would love to see Mount Union travel to somewhere other than Salem, VA in the playoffs.  That and I like your tough comeback style of play so all in all go Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 27, 2005, 07:51:35 pm
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14

I think you got that backwards!!  Rowan is a 11.5 point favorite on the OAC pick em board. ;)

Lyco-- ncaa playoff 2005 records:  MAC 1-1 NJAC 1-1 (three points short of a "Double Monkey Stomp" by the NJAC on the "big" MAC) :P
All that proves is that the OAC knows nothing about Union

I guess all this proves that the OAC and cscs both know nothing about Union... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 08:34:33 pm
4man:  you want to talk to MU on the OAC forum not CCIW

billman:  WE'RE BACK!! :-*  DVC gets what they wanted   A rematch @ home with Rowan.  Now, the fun begins!!   ???

Thanks ACMob.  I only replied in the CCIW because that was where seventies (something) was posting most of his posts.  Not sure, but I think he's an Augustana fan who is now rooting for MU that's why I went to the CCIW.  Since he's in there, I'm sure he'll get the post.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 27, 2005, 08:42:54 pm
4man

The guy you are referring to is seventiesraider (the mascot of Mt. Union)  ;)  So I would venture to say that he is not a closet Augustana fan on the MUC bandwagon. 

He was on the CCIW board all week because Mount played against a CCIW team so logically he was in there talking his smack. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 28, 2005, 09:06:50 am
WAY TO GO AGGIES!!!   I think we are little banged up but will bring all we have against rowan as they are banged up as well....this will be interesting to see how dvc/rowan stack up this week. I cannot wait..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 28, 2005, 10:22:14 am
Hopefully this (DVC-Rowan) will be a better game than last season.

GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 28, 2005, 11:55:01 am
Hello DVC fans from a Mount fan! 

Both teams have a very tough game to play this coming weekend, but IF they both come through, just how bad is your field? 

Are we talking a foot of mud?  Bad in spots?  With the warm weather coming through now, I am guessing it will get worse.  Mount had similar issues before putting in the turf.  The local high school team also played on the field, so come playoff time it was usually a mess.  What upgrades are coming for your place?

By the way, Seventies wasn't wishing Rowan luck because anyone thinks your hospitality would be anything less than great, it's just that we have been spoiled.  Mount hasn't had to play a road playoff game since 95 (other than in Salem, VA). 

Good luck to both teams, and may you both wear  yourself completely out by game's end.   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 28, 2005, 01:41:05 pm
I dont know what has happened to the field I heard something about it got destroyed when one of the hurricane remants blew through doylestown and they played a game on the field. But when I went to school there the field was like gold it handled maybe 5 games a year on it and looked like a golf fairway. It has a nice crown on it and was a great field to play football.
Both teams have to play on it so no one gets any real benefit from it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 03:09:00 pm
regarding the field at DVC..it could better, could be worse...I don't think it ever recovered from last years game where they played in remnants of a hurricane.

I saw alot of slipping going on last Saturday and with more rain in the forecast I would surmise it will not be any better this week.

Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 28, 2005, 04:36:38 pm
How about they move the game to Rowan? RU can wear away unis and sit on the visitor stands. But at least the field is artificial turf and the conditions would be favorable for both teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 04:44:25 pm
LOL!!!!!! NOT LIKELY!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 28, 2005, 04:47:05 pm
Good idea because the RU white road uniforms surely look better than the [toxic] all-yellow ones.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 28, 2005, 05:02:42 pm
The Rowan yellow uniforms remind me of the radiation suits we used to wear in the Navy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 05:51:30 pm
what do you guys think of the aggies uni's?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 05:53:09 pm
BTW..Pat
can I please have my other posts back?
I always forget to ask ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 28, 2005, 06:53:36 pm
4man

The guy you are referring to is seventiesraider (the mascot of Mt. Union)  ;)  So I would venture to say that he is not a closet Augustana fan on the MUC bandwagon. 

He was on the CCIW board all week because Mount played against a CCIW team so logically he was in there talking his smack. 

Oops!  My bad...........I'll just go crawl in my hole now for not knowing that.  Thanks for the correction.

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 28, 2005, 07:04:05 pm
Hey whats up guys,,,,,very excited for this weeks game between dvc and rowan...

do u guys feel that del val will have a advantage over rowan playing on their home field rather last years turf at rowan....

also i wonder how excited tolbert and whetstone are to come back to doyelstown???

any comments guys????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2005, 07:13:33 pm
Bossman05:

Mangus was asked about Tolbert and Whetstone in the post game press conference.  He had nice things to say about both kids, just like in the preseason.

I don't sense any ill will on his part toward the two who, according to him, made an understandable decision to transfer based on financial considerations.

DE Anthony Silver said he would put aside any personal friendships until after the battle is over on Saturday around 4 PM.  Silver's remarks indicated that Brandon and/or Dewaine have kept in contact with Aggies CB Desmond Wiggins during the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 28, 2005, 08:44:40 pm
Skunk_Sidekicks.....After the "Hurricane" Bowl last year, the field has never come back. The crown is gone, sometimes there is standing water, etc. Last week it rained a bit and snowed on Thanksgiving...The field froze and thawed by Game time Saturday only to make the footing terrible...even the kicker slipped and missed a FG.

ACMOB....Yes, bud here we go again...Hope it is a good game, not a blowout...and everyone is safe and injury free. Lately DVC has been getting off to a slow start, hope that changes too.
Will you be at the game? As you can tell by my assessment of the field it looks to be anybodys game. A lot of slipping and sliding last week.

4MAN...Sue hope we get off to a better start this week. "J" had some great grabs last week..good luck to him and will see you again at the tracks???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 28, 2005, 09:12:07 pm
Bman56:  Unfortunately, I can't make it because my home is now in GA.  However, thanks to Pat, I'll (hopefully) enjoy the game with all the comforts of home!!

IMO-- this year DVC has a better shot to win.  With Rowan's injuries, it's a lot tougher this year.  Losing to Willy P., really cost the Profs this year, but a ride across the river ain't too bad.   I am concerned about the field.  Ya think the school would provide some $$ or get a sponser to sod,turf, whatever your field so the team would have an advantage @ home.

GOOD LUCK this week and tell your boys to start fast.  You can bet RU is coming in with confidence after last year!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2005, 09:59:25 pm
AC:

Pat Cummings will be at Wesley this Saturday and Pat Coleman isn't slated to go to any particular game.

So you'll have to put up with me or the WGLS students if you're listening over the net. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 28, 2005, 10:04:06 pm
D3phan

The Aggies uni's are sharp.  I have only seen the home uni's but I always prefer two colors only.  The only thing I dislike about them is that as a broadcaster the numbers "5" and "6" are hard to differentiate and the "1" and "7" are tough with the style of number the Aggies have on their jerseys.  That's a minor detail though.  I think the Aggie uni's are top notch.


Re: the field conditions

Gordon commented during the game it was Hurricane Ivan that did in the turf.  And he also commented that the practice field makes the stadium turf look like gold and he's absolutely right about that.  I didn't see a single square foot of green on the practice field adjacent to the stadium.  I imagine the practice field is a frustration for the players and coaches alike.

Gordon

"Put up with US..."  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 28, 2005, 11:00:26 pm
I find I must comment on the state of affairs irt karma in our league.

I am very curious about all the smiting going on seemingly directed towards MAC league supporters and wonder where it is coming from.

Now that I am in a position to applaud/smite I am going to be watching and reading to see if I may discern who is the lurker lowering our ratings. 

I am now at -4 and will probably drop lower for even raising the matter but I find it way over the top to see so many of us getting bashed for mostly innocuously sounding posts.  Come on, we should be commended for rallying around our NCAA league rep - DVC - not punished.

I definitely smell outside blood in the water and care not for it - not one little bit!

MAC ATTACK - MAC ATTACK - GO AGGIES SMOKE PROFS!!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tjross76 on November 28, 2005, 11:40:51 pm
I believe that the feild conditions will be a slight advantage to the aggies becasue, i saw someone commenting on the the way the practice feild looked, that the muddy practice conditions and then going on to play on a muddy feild makes the advantage go towards the aggies just a bit.  The game this saturday is going to be a great contest between 2 great football teams and plus the aggies have something to prove, and alil revenage from last year.  Wish i could make it to the game but i have work all weekend, but i will be listening to it on the internet.  Go aggies
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 29, 2005, 01:59:07 am
ACMOB.....Too bad you cant make the game...DVC/Rowan...Hope it will be a shoot out and a good game....I am sure G.A. will have the kids pumped for this one. I feel the field will hold the key to deciding the outcome of this one if both teams play their best.

GO AGGIES!!!!!!

Readytorock....Your guy had some great plays last week, looks to me that "HE's Baaaack"!!!  See you guys Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 29, 2005, 08:09:57 am
How about they move the game to Rowan? RU can wear away unis and sit on the visitor stands. But at least the field is artificial turf and the conditions would be favorable for both teams.

Yeah right.  Sounds like someone doesn't wanna play in the mud.  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 29, 2005, 10:11:16 am
DVC FILM GUY,

I'd love to play in the mud but my playing days are long over. It's a shame though that the field may be in an unplayable condition. Regardless, I feel it will be a close and hard fought game with RU coming out on top.

As the top seed, I believe the pressure is squarely on the shoulders of DVC. RU, now with 3 major injury losses (QB, DL, RB), has exceeded my expectations and then some, and whatever the outcome of this game, good luck to the team that represents the eastern region.

BMAN,

Are you going to the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on November 29, 2005, 10:15:29 am
Early forcast is for strong winds to go along with the Aggie mud. Sounds like a game that might be decided by who can move the ball north to south through the trenches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on November 29, 2005, 10:27:21 am
Dr., if by Bman you mean me...then yes, I'm going to the game.  What about you?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 29, 2005, 10:29:54 am
zman, where you been hiding? And why? This room is the poorer for your absconding ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 29, 2005, 10:39:06 am
Zman,

Yes I am going to the game. Probably with DR. I'll see you there.

I knew you'd be going to the game. Bman is a guy from MAC (Widener) who I met a while ago.


Warren,

Zman is deep in an undercover covert operation, and his mere presence on this site could be detrimental to DVC and those in the MAC. Bada Bing, Bada Boom! Fuggetaboutit!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2005, 11:25:57 am
It'll probably be a busy morning, but let me know where you guys are congregating before the game and I'll swing by to say hello.

Unlike the TCNJ game where traffic thwarted me, I have to be at this one. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 29, 2005, 11:44:59 am
and whatever the outcome of this game, good luck to the team that represents the eastern region.


Well said.  I'm hoping for a good game.  As well as an Aggie win.

I'll be in between the 2 boxes filming as usual.

Is it Saturday yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 29, 2005, 02:55:46 pm
Realalitycheck,
I so agree with you about the numbers on the aggies jerseys... I am kinda glad that I am not the only one...because when I said it to my husband he acted as if I had to heads and 4 bad eyes!


I love the colors of the jerseys, I went to a catholic school who had the same color uniforms!!!!

Good luck this Saturday Aggies!

MAC Attack!!!!!

Billman,
your guy has been awesome too....!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 29, 2005, 02:57:57 pm
errr...that would be two heads...typo's suck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 29, 2005, 06:03:38 pm
heres some food for thought... DVC is an agricultural school, so i assume someone there knows how to grow plants (meaning grass)... so why is it that year in and out the field is in such a poor condition? i know that there was the 'hurricane game' this year, along with many other rain games, but i was at the field earlier in the year, and it was the same shape.

on another note, good luck dvc rep the mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 29, 2005, 07:58:56 pm
That would be that Captain Obvious approach...which makes it so tough to imagine.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joker on November 29, 2005, 10:11:07 pm
As a WU Football alum, I want to wish GA good luck against a very gritty Rowan squad,.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 29, 2005, 11:34:22 pm
Dr X

Not only will I not be there, I will not have access to a PC to listen in :-[...feel free to call me with anu score updates if you'd like...

I have been challenged all year with things coming up and have not been to anything other than 1/2 of the homecoming game this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 30, 2005, 10:18:27 am
BMan,

Send me a message through D3 with your # and I'll give you a call with some score updates.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 11:57:42 am
What is the tailgating situation at DVC?  Is there ample parking near the field?  Are visitors and home fans separated or does everyone tailgate in the same place?

When are you allowed to start tailgating on game day?  What about booze?  Must in a cup or???

I've had a few emails from Rowan student tailgaters.  I'll post tailgating recommendations for DVC on my site from what the MAC people tell me here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 11:58:12 am
each fon call will be a replay of a dvc touchdown!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 30, 2005, 12:02:41 pm
XGSC

Will do...

THX!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on November 30, 2005, 01:03:10 pm
OK, this is the best place to get some real opinions.  How good is DelVal and will they beat Rowan?  I am looking for a DelVal victory because I am a Mount Union grad and it would be great that the Purple Raiders finally head east and play < 75 miles from my house.  Not used to too many Mount Union road games in the play-offs.

So go Mount and Go DelVal.

When did DelVal turn it around.  They were the only team Lebanon Valley could beat when ny brother went there?

And what is the tailgate situation at Delaware Valley?

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 01:26:58 pm
dvc turned it around when coach mangus came on board several years ago. it will be crowded and tailgating and parking will be tough unless you get there early. also heard they are working non stop on the field with sand etc to get it in shape for saturday. word seems to be they are going to gut the field after the season and put in a whole new drainage system and new sod and have it in shape before next season. plus the ncaa official has been there(they check all fields before games) and deemed it fine to play on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 01:50:21 pm
How many parking spaces are there for tailgating and how early is early?  Please provide more detail on the tailgating situation.  See my questions above.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 30, 2005, 02:03:13 pm
JT

The last two weeks there has been a decent amount of space for parking and tailgating in my opinion.  I have been getting to the game between 10:30 and 11:00 and parked close to the stadium in the tailgating area.  Lots of tailgaters had been there for a while from the looks of it.  The one thing I will add is that both games were much longer treks for the visitors and I am sure Rowan will have a ton of support in comparison with the other two schools simply because of the short distance so space will be a little tighter I am sure.

I will let someone that is more regular in attendance answer your specifics but that's what I have noticed the last two weeks. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 02:25:02 pm
Generally speaking I know that the consumption of "beverages" is illegal at any campus stadium parking lot.  However I've found that there is certain tolerance by the school security given:

1) Booze is in a cup that isn't see through

2) People behave and bring a trash bag for their own refuse.

Are DVC's security very strict.... or do they kinda look the other way.  I want to answer the student's questions appropriately. Since I'll be "working" the game, I might have a beer but that's about it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 02:52:36 pm
billman et al should be able to answer that i tend sneak in a little before kickoff but billman and a number of others tailgate there regularly and can tell you times, and how to conceal your "beverage of choice..." etc....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 30, 2005, 03:05:30 pm
maybe I can answer a few of the questions for you.
Booze:
I have seen several people"escorted "out of the stadium for being intoxicated. I have seen "colored cups" in the parking lot.
 
Parking : I believe that it will be a full house this coming Saturday so I would be there early...meaning 9:30 ish....
tickets go on sale at that time...there are several other parking areas other than the one right by the Stadium, but it is a hike. Dress warm it can get very cold !!!
there are bleachers for the "visitors side" and there is ample ground space for your own chairs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 04:14:13 pm
fwiw, i think there is going to be a fairly large turnout there this weekend so the sooner you can get there and get in the parking lot and tickets the better. i imagine rowan will be bringing a large number of fans since it is a relatively short drive from new joisey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 30, 2005, 05:11:34 pm
DVC comes right out as soon as you enter the parking lot with a big sign that says - TAILGATING AREA - ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PROHIBITED.

That being said, I know I've smelled them around.  Security does patrol the lots.  Now...if they see a Rowan gang, they might be more steadfast with the rule. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 08:39:16 pm
I'll let them know, that the imbiber should beware. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 30, 2005, 09:24:07 pm
A couple of things for going to the game: The visitors get the bleachers in the sun, whatever sun there will be, as the heat wave we have been enjoying is sadly ending. Last week, the lines to get tickets were still long pretty close to game time. I can imagine that they will be longer this week, so plan accordingly.

Loved the guy in the stands with the viking horns, and Yuengling Taphandle on the stick with they cymbal!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 02:27:14 am
DVC Tailgating....As this will be one of the top games this week parking will get crowded early. Arriving around 9:30 or 10:am you should fine ample spaces to park or tailgate or whatever. Campus security will escort out anyone they feel is intoxicated or rowdy. A bunch from another school was escorted out after they became rowdy and intoxicated. They also left their trash in the parking lot.
Please put your beverages in a colored cup and act like the great fans you are and most likely you will be left alone. A large boistrous group will be looked at and your cups looked into also, most everyone brings their own trash bags. The visitor stands will be in the sun if it decides to appear and it can get cold real fast so dress accordingly.  If you happen to arrive late you maybe asked to park in an additional lot on the other side of campus and it is quite a walk.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 02:40:04 am
JT...there is tailgating all over the parking lot and no the home and visitors fans are not separated...Havnet had to separate anyone yet....

Bobbydb19.....the key to this contest will be the field....Like on a rainy day it brings  a more even playing field to both units. The field is currently being prepared for Saturday.  Both teams have high powered offenses and stubborn defenses, however DVC needs to get a quick start and they havent done that all year except for a few games.  A quick start for the Aggies will no doubt put more pressure on the Profs and again the field may hold the key to the semi finals.

Upbrmeasap.....Joisey??? Come on man, thats thin...See you Saturday??  At the tracks 9:AM??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 08:08:04 am
Thanks for the info Billman56.  I will be watching the weather and watching the scores. 

Sorry JT, I am rooting for DVC in this one.  Seen too many Rowan/Mount Union games and I want to see Mount finally come to my area for once.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 09:23:21 am
i saw dvc/rowan preview on comcast sportsnite last evening. interviewed coach mangus and knoblauch and carmon. i think they are much more prepared this year. i agree with coach mangus they arent playing rowans tradition this year they are just playing rowan the football team. they seem much more confident in knowing what to expect against rowan this year. plus having it at home helps very much. btw i saw the practice field on comcast sportsnite and what a mess, alumni and supporters of dvc need to start to fund raiser that practice field was an embarrassment to view. caught a quick glimpse of the field in the stadium and that looked in decent shape not nearly as bad as i thought it would.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2005, 09:44:47 am
Fair weather.

No injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 11:58:35 am
So what is it going to be:

Mount Union travelling to DVC or Rowan going to Alliance, Ohio (just like on December 11, 1999)?  I don't like to remember that game.  Ended Mounts 54 game winning streak, Only to be followed by a 55 game streak.

 KC Keeler had one of the classic lines when asked about playing at Mount....."I feel like I have already been to Mount Union, I have seen this stadium so much on film".

As long as it is not Capital coming to Rowan or DVC.

Sorry for all my Mount Union talk in the MAC page, but I have real interest in the DVC/Rowan game.  Plus I am sure if either team gets to the Stagg Bowl, you want it to be because you beat one of the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 01:05:41 pm
no problem bobby with the mount union chatter....nice thing about div III is they settle everything on the field not in the polls....so if mount union is good enough they will win their remaining games if not they werent the best team to begin with and no matter who wins then would feel any less by not having faced mount union....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: profs_fan on December 01, 2005, 03:22:19 pm
Will be coming up to the rematch game Saturday.  Union had home team parking close to the stadium.  Is parking first come first parked at DV?

I had bil-lateral knee replacements and also have a sports hernia. Slipped on the ice at Union and aggregated the sport hernia. So walking real far is a painful experience. 

Haven't missed a Prof payoff game in....many years ago.  Wouldn't miss this unless I was on life support.

I hope uall realize that once you have a winning program, all teams
want to be the team that ended your winning steak.  Sometimes  the best thing that can happen is lose a game in midseason.  Sometimes not.

Hope nobody gets hurt, good sportmanship, and an entertaining game for Saturday.

We plan to arrive on campus about 9-10 am. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2005, 04:31:14 pm
Any future "first time posters on this site" that want to comment about Del Val/Rowan should first read the terms of service and see what isn't permitted regarding your name.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 04:34:16 pm
mommy and daddy now know he is using the keyboard and have grounded him from the computer for 2 weeks.....take your flames over to the njac board where people may care ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:40:58 pm
Billman et al,

Thanks for the heads up on the tailgating.  Like I said before... I've been getting plenty of emails with questions about the tailgating situation at DVC.  I'll post something on my site.  BTW... I always bring a trash bag, and I think those that don't are rude.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:43:31 pm
Given the field conditions.... maybe I'll wear cleats while taking photos.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 04:45:53 pm
billman let me know where along the railroad tracks you will be.... i will try to catch up with you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:51:44 pm
I hope to get there by 9am, so if you Aggie fans see me I'll be happy to engage in pre-game banter.  My ugly mug is on the ATR page for the East region, for those that haven't ventured into the Around the Region on d3football.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on December 01, 2005, 06:13:37 pm
JT

Remember that CD of images we emailed about?  Well I will be at the game if you want to try to get that together and we can chat a bit in Dolyestown.  I will be calling the game along with Gordon for the third week in a row.  See you there and safe travels to all (although in this case, I might be making a longer trip than fans of either school).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 06:27:47 pm
RC,

Sorry about the problems, I'm, good after the season too.  Been busy.  Freetime has been taken up.  Don't like BBall as much, so I will send you some stuff post season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 09:08:00 pm
I was a first time poster.  Hope I didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 09:16:09 pm
Bobby,

You are fine.  I was supposed to send RC some pics. Got too busy with life etc.  Root for whichever team is your pleasure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 09:18:45 pm
profs_Fan.....Time wise you should be in good shape with that time frame


JT...You may need your cleats for this one.

Upbrmeasap.....Along the RR Tracks there is an opening and crossover to the back fields...we will be tailgating there...see ya  there
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 01, 2005, 09:35:21 pm
Good Luck to all!

At least the people on this conference board have some class.

Let's have a great game with no injuries (we can't afford any more)

RU 38

DVC 17

Thanks,

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 01, 2005, 09:41:50 pm
Bman56:  you are certainly correct about DVC needing a fast start.  RU will come out hard and DVC needs to counter quickly.  Union went toe to toe early, but could not overcome halftime adjustments.  This is DVC's time to step up!!  This is my LAST good luck.

Readyto rock--  got some ZINGERS waitin' on ya!! ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 02, 2005, 02:41:32 am
ACMOB...Thanks for the Good Luck....Looking for a good game not a blowout, no injuries either. Last weather forecast listed Saturday should be clear but Saturday night possible snow and rain??

I dont think you will be able to "Bait" Readytorock out on the board, hope he returns but who knows?

To You also Good Luck

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 09:08:12 am
billman are talking about down kind of behind the library? where there is a small tunnel under the railroad tracks?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 11:57:37 am
getting the game face on....24 hours from now they will be lining up to settle it on the field!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 02, 2005, 12:03:37 pm
Billman: Just when you thought it was safe to go back in...you know the rest.  Looks like high wind  for game day!


Upbrmeasap:  Start the count down


ACMob:  The time for talk is past... Go Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 12:06:56 pm
readytorock i was hoping you were lurking out there and would bring some juice to the board!!!  lets go aggggieeeesss!!!! i have wanted this rematch all year and now its here !!!! going to be cold and windy tomorrow with snow in the evening perfect football weather.... ;)     readytorock you visiting billman before the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 02, 2005, 12:28:25 pm
Don't want to talk about the Semi-finals already, but just remember who will be coming into your house next week if the Aggies get by the Profs.......them Purple Raiders. 

Please Just get it done!  We'll have a contingent there.  We have been looking forward to a possible DVC/Mount match-up since the brackets came out.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 02, 2005, 12:36:09 pm
bobbydb19,

Are you looking past Capital?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 02, 2005, 12:57:16 pm
upbrmeasap: I surely am ! Billman is always the first stop of the day!!!  Hope to see you there...My better half wants to pitch a tent in the parking lot tonight so she doesn't miss anything!  Go Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 02, 2005, 12:58:33 pm
After I posted the message, I knew that would be a response.

After their only loss of the year and first in the OAC conference after 110 straight wins, Mount has just been playing awesome.  Sure the following game they beat B-W only 17-3, but that was followed up by wins of 45-0, 63-0 and then 49-6 and 44-7 in the play-offs

Mount Union has a history of whooping on OAC teams when they play them a 2nd time during the year.  Just great coaching by Larry Kehres.

Mount had 5 turn-overs in the first meeting (3 fumbles and 2 Ints.) and they still won 42-24.  If they play well and limit the TOs it should be an easy win.

If they don't win....you can all let me have it.

I have enjoyed posting on this MAC board.  You guys are true DIII fans and very knowledgable.

Thanks and good luck.  Be safe.  Enjoy the game and hopefully we can continue this conversation next week (sorry JT) and then meet up in Doylestown.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 01:13:26 pm
i have a feeling there is going to be a big turnout for this game....even more so if oriehel were playing (rowans injured starting qb) since this game is being played in the town he grew up in and about 1/2 mile from his high school and football field at c.b. west.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on December 02, 2005, 01:59:14 pm
upbr

Good old Coach Magnus should be ecstatic that Orihel isn't going to show up, in uniform that is, for this game. 

Orihel made it look easy last year throwing for 252  yards and 5 tds against Magnus' defense.

 He should also be happy that Bond (DE), Berry (WR), Smith (SS) and Encarnacion (RB) won't be in uniform either.

Regardless how it turns out tomorrow, if both teams meet next year in the playoffs, Orihel will be back ... along with Encarnacion and Smith. ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 02, 2005, 02:01:17 pm
Readytorock,

I wanted KB..Senior to get his buddies motor home to park that in parking lot tonight....too much?????


I am assuming you know who KB senior is.

Mac Attack!

Go Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:12:39 pm
ru fan using injuries as an excuse is a crutch.....bottom line at this time of year everyone is banged up and you have to go with what you have available if your team is good enough you win if you dont you go home...that is why div I-AA, II, III are great because the playoffs and settling it on the field.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 02, 2005, 02:25:42 pm
upbr

Good old Coach Magnus should be ecstatic that Orihel isn't going to show up, in uniform that is, for this game. 

Orihel made it look easy last year throwing for 252  yards and 5 tds against Magnus' defense.

 He should also be happy that Bond (DE), Berry (WR), Smith (SS) and Encarnacion (RB) won't be in uniform either.

Regardless how it turns out tomorrow, if both teams meet next year in the playoffs, Orihel will be back ... along with Encarnacion and Smith. ;)



Do I detect some doubt about his team in the above post?...Kind of like "Well, if we loose it's because of our injury report"....Then, the old "Wait til next year when we're all healthy" stuff...Injuries are part of game...
Others on the depth chart will need to "step-up"...Hmmm....Must be visions of MAC ATTACK in his brain....Just noticed you beat me to the punch upbrmeasap but I'm still posting it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:31:26 pm
right on simba!!! we are ready to rock and the mac attack will be in full force tomorrow!!! (my sister a lyco grad will be in attendance cheering the mac attack on as well!) the mac is one big family and about to take rowan down!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 02, 2005, 02:36:27 pm
Simba and Up,

Not many D3 programs that lose a QB the caliber of Orihel, a DL the caliber of Bond and a starting RB would be where they are today with what RU has done.

Answer this truthfully: Would DVC be in the situation they are without Knoblauch, Silver and Cook? Picture this scenario and you can see why what RU has done is pretty impressive. The fact that RU has gotten this far, to me, is very impressive and quite a feat in and of itself.

May the best team win, may there be no injuries, and I don't care what the score is as long as RU has more than DVC when the final whistle blows.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:42:16 pm
dr. x i agree with you in that rowan has overcome alot. but at this point in the season the remaining teams are all banged up and to come onto our board and start throwing flames around about how we should be thankful this person and that person isnt playing and "wait until next year" is a little over the top ...no???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 04:32:23 pm
i am just about out and ready to roll and wont be logged on until after the game tomorrow so good luck to both teams and lets have a great game injury free and               
GGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIEEEEEEEESSSS SS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 02, 2005, 04:54:00 pm
There was  an article this week in the county paper near Rowan about the two Del Val transfers.  Both players had nothing but positive things to say about the players and coaches at Del Val (and Rowan) and both coaches had nothing but positive things to say about the players and the reasons for their transferring (mostly financial).
In this day and age of T.O. and all the other nonsense that seem to dominate sports, it was refreshing to see this kind of positive article.

Best of luck to both  squads, may RU win another one, and as Dr. XGSC says, no injuries please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 02, 2005, 04:57:46 pm
There was  an article this week in the county paper near Rowan about the two Del Val transfers.  Both players had nothing but positive things to say about the players and coaches at Del Val (and Rowan) and both coaches had nothing but positive things to say about the players and the reasons for their transferring (mostly financial).
In this day and age of T.O. and all the other nonsense that seem to dominate sports, it was refreshing to see this kind of positive article.

zman:

Another example, as if we needed it, of D3's superiority over the lower divisions ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on December 02, 2005, 05:20:44 pm
Do I detect some doubt about his team in the above post?...Kind of like "Well, if we loose it's because of our injury report"....Then, the old "Wait til next year when we're all healthy" stuff...Injuries are part of game...
Others on the depth chart will need to "step-up"...Hmmm....Must be visions of MAC ATTACK in his brain....Just noticed you beat me to the punch upbrmeasap but I'm still posting it...


Dr X

Thanks for your support but I really don't need any help responding to these guys.  They come over to the NJAC board and post whatever they want and when you visit their board, they get their green and gold panties in a bunch.

I don't make excuses and as I've said since I began posting on these boards ..... it is what it is and outcomes are what they are.  If DVC wins tomorrow, I'll support them as the East rep. 

I don't have to make excuses for this RU team after what they've accomplished to date.  In fact, I could care less what you and your fellow Aggies think!

By the way, you never responded to DR X's question:  Answer this truthfully: Would DVC be in the situation they are without Knoblauch, Silver and Cook?

I think not ... without them, your MAC attack would resemble the Hamburglar instead.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 02, 2005, 05:54:45 pm
RU Fan...I just went over to your board and I did not see 1 post being nasty about Rowan...coming from anyone who posts from the "MAC".....
 Now I only went back 6 pages...maybe I missed something.


Good luck Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on December 02, 2005, 06:24:28 pm
I'll answer the italicized question above....

Mangus had an approach, got the job, got his guys, and has had enormous success. 

Knoblauch, Silver, Cook were part of that.  If he doesn't have these guys, chances are he has players of similar quality considering who else he's been able to bring in.  It just so happens these are three who have generated tremendous success...

Without G.A., Adam Knoblauch may have never gone to college and could still be working in a hardware store in Tamaqua and not experienced all the rises and falls over the past four years.  Everything else aside, win or lose, I am happiest for those who have experienced Adam, G.A., and all over the last four years.  Character aplenty in Doylestown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2005, 07:57:05 pm
While I agree with Pat, I think Dr. xGSC was pointing out that Rowan has unusual depth and, in my opinion, he's right.

I don't think another team in this region could get this far after losing their QB, RB and top DL to injuries.  As I mentioned on the Daily Dose last weekend, Rowan's depth is another factor that makes them the "Beast of the East."

You have to feel for Orihel.  He's a Central Bucks kid so this would've been a nice game for him to play in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2005, 08:26:18 pm
I don't think there are many teams in d3 that have the depth that RU has, so it's not much of a knock to say that DVC wouldn't be there without their #1 QB and RB...

Pull that away from all playoff teams, and you be left with about 4 teams that could still compete...and several of those are still in the playoffs....

BTW go Capital (So we can still have an east coast semi ;D)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 02, 2005, 09:01:33 pm
gordon & realitycheck:  good luck tomorrow and hopefully it will be a good game. 

ROWAN WILL BE MOTIVATED.  There are no excuses!!  "Just win baby."


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO       PROFS!! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2005, 09:57:44 pm
AC Mob:

Gratzi.

On that note, you can hear Reality Check and me on the call tomorrow on www.sportsjuice.com.  I know the guys at WGLS do a nice job, too.

Kickoff begins at 12 PM with pregame at 11:30 AM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 03, 2005, 12:43:12 am
Ru Fan...

 Just to let you know as u speak of next year already dvc only loses wallick on defense and only three guys on offense

granted they will lose Knob, Cook, Cies, to graduation but  they will have sheffield who has done well this year, there is good depth on the online and if u guys know mangus he will have someone taking the snapes....

and basically i think thats it not badddd

but trust me those guys will truly truly be missed,,,i dunno if u can replace guys like that.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 03, 2005, 03:24:44 pm
Great game DVC

Good luck in the future!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 03, 2005, 03:42:49 pm
DVC HATS OFF!!  YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY VERY GOOD!!

Bman56 and readytorock!!  GOOD RUN!!  24-2 last two years!!  VERY IMPRESSIVE!! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 03, 2005, 03:44:22 pm
Props to the Aggies, one hell of a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rowanlb92 on December 03, 2005, 04:16:46 pm
Nice Game Del VAl.  You certainly gave us a big scare
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on December 03, 2005, 07:26:13 pm
Congrats to Rowan, today's game is what playoff football is all about.  Best of luck next week in Alliance.

Could a Rowan-Wesley final be possible?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: profs_fan on December 03, 2005, 08:08:35 pm
I am an old guy....2 bi-latteral knee replacements summer of of "04 and now diagnosed with a "Sports Hernia", may not be able to officiate HS wrestling this year like I did last year. At Union, I slipped on ice under the snow that falled that day. Rowan was losing at half time.  I sent a secret e-mail to the D-coach and officive coach about how I fell on the poorly perforamce of the grounds crew at Union on making conditions safe.  You saw what what happended in the 2nd half. Old age sucks, 60 next June.

I am upset that none of the bleachers at Del-Val had ramps for those who are handicapped or physically imparred, like me.

I could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.

I sent another secret e-mail to the the D-coach about my
experience at DVC at HALF TIME.

You all know what happened in second half.

So, you all from Union and Del-Val should contact Mt. Union.  ell them there is an old guy fom Rowan (20+ year plus fan) who never played college football is upset with of lack of respect at both Union and Delaware Vallery College.

See you all at Mt. Union.  














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  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on December 03, 2005, 08:27:26 pm
Nice Game Del VAl.  You certainly gave us a big scare
Props to the Aggies, one hell of a game.
DVC HATS OFF!!  YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY VERY GOOD!!

Bman56 and readytorock!!  GOOD RUN!!  24-2 last two years!!  VERY IMPRESSIVE!! 

Good luck in the future!

CK

Thank you for being classy about the win!  That was one heck of a game played out there by both teams.  I really thought the Aggies were going to pull through but Rowan got the best of us.  Hats off to Rowan for plugging away.  Hopefully we'll see you again next year.

Congrats to the AGGIES for another great season!  You did the MAC proud!  Good luck to Adam Knoblauch and all of the seniors who are graduating this year.  You've been a part of a team that brought DVC into the spotlight and put them on the map.  May the memories last you a lifetime!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 03, 2005, 09:50:02 pm
Quote
I could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.


Profs_fan: I have been goofing on RowanTexan and Rowanlb92 all afternoon, but I am going to give you a +1 Karma point for admitting that the facilities at DVC sucked so bad that you had to piss in your car in a cup. That's priceless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 04, 2005, 07:29:53 am
Quote
I could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.


Profs_fan: I have been goofing on RowanTexan and Rowanlb92 all afternoon, but I am going to give you a +1 Karma point for admitting that the facilities at DVC sucked so bad that you had to piss in your car in a cup. That's priceless.

I'll second that prof_ fan!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 04, 2005, 10:29:52 am
Hey AC, I hit ya back on the + Karma...like I promised.. you went from -53 to -52.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 04, 2005, 12:25:57 pm
4MAN...Your guy had a nice game yesterday...congrats!!!

D3FAN....Great tailgating with you and KB Sr.....lots of laughs. 

Readytoraock...Gotta bring "The Beaver Hat" in January!!

Thanks to all of the Rowan posters for all of the Good Lucks, pre game.

Profs_Fan...apologies for the restroom facilities, during the season they had port-o-pots for the excess crowds, should of had more there yesterday for the play off crowd...maybe it was an NCAA thing..who Knows?? Glad to hear you improvsed like a professional soldier. As for the ramps, you are 110% right. I hope this is brought to msome one's attention. Great Game Rowan.

In the playoff level of competion you cant make turnovers and expect to win, the competition is too stiff. Now on the Ohio and beat the north Champion..Good luck Guys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 04:41:29 pm
Just read the article about Mangus....

Possibly leavin for Wisconsin

Any truth on this?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on December 04, 2005, 04:59:35 pm
Just read the article about Mangus....

Possibly leavin for Wisconsin

Any truth on this?

1) What article?

2) Hope not. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 06:45:02 pm
The Intelligencer

Is it the end?
Staff writer Drew Markol says that there is a good chance G.A. Mangus has just coached his last game at Delaware Valley College.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 04, 2005, 07:24:23 pm
bossman05:

As a courtesy, you might wish to provide the exact URL for an article on Mangus. Otherwise, those of us who don't reside in Bucks County just don't know what on earth you are talking about. Please, pretty please ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 04, 2005, 07:41:28 pm
yes post the URL......JT also posted that Mangus said DVC was the better team in a press conference?

Not really PROFessional in my opinion.

Great season for the Aggies!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2005, 07:51:59 pm
WT et al:

The Doylestown Intelligencer is at www.phillyburbs.com.  Unfortunately they don't post articles the same day they appear in the paper so we'll have to wait for the link to Drew Markol's story.

Mangus was candid with a couple of the regulars including Markol and myself after most writers left yesterday's postgame conference, so I have some idea what may be in Drew's story.

Mangus is rumored to be a candidate for Co-Offensive Coordinator or QB Coach position at UW-Madison.  The Badgers are changing head coaches with the retirement of Barry Alvarez and the expected incoming coach, Bret Biliema, has a friendly relationship with Mangus.

You can read more about that here: http://www.jsonline.com/badger/fb/nov05/373908.asp

In a piece of geographic coincidence, Temple University is interviewing UW's current co-offensive coordinator Brian White for their vacancy, another job to which Mangus' name has been connected in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

With that said, there is no concrete offer on the table and no timetable for whether one will come, if it ever does.  Mangus said, after taking a couple days off, he's going back on the road recruiting for Del Val.  And he's talked at length with me and others about long term plans with the Aggies program, should that be in his future.  He seems to have developed a very good relationship with the school's President.

Drew told Mangus that his lead today would read that he may've coached his last game at Del Val.  Mangus responded, "You can write that if you want but I didn't say that.  You can editorialize in your story."

Bottom line -- nothing's happened at this point and it may not ever happen.  Mangus is still the head coach at Del Val.  We'll have to see how the rest of this plays out.

PS - Yes, he did say that about Rowan.  And, while Del Val hurt themselves with mistakes, I agree with you for what it's worth.  The Profs are the champs until someone beats them.  Hypotheticals don't change that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 10:26:47 pm
you guys worked so hard to get a chance back at rowan but you couldnt even beat them when all there stars were hurt.  after seeing your quarterback, i dont understand what all the hype is about he just stinks against rowan, he cant win the big game just like his coach

mac attack i mean the mac is whack!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 10:38:30 pm
From the Gloucester County Times:

"We were the better team," said Aggie head coach G.A. Mangus. "We outgained them, out-time-of-possesioned them. We should have won the game. We throw a pick at the goal line or we're up 21-0 at the half. We fumble on Red Snoopy, our quarterback sneak, on third-and-inches on a play we've made every time the last four years.


cry me a river mangus, face it you just cant beat rowan!!!!del val will never be the better team, ha

mac attack, i mean the mac is whack!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2005, 11:30:08 pm
Fargo:

You wait until now to post something cheap like that?

If you had watched Knoblauch for any period of time, you would understand his talent and value to the team.  Since you haven't -- or have some other axe to grind -- I hope you will bring something more meaningful to these boards.  If not, I can guarantee you that your stay will be short-lived.

PS - Interesting email address.  Are you bitter at Delaware Valley college for some reason?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 11:42:11 pm
no i dont have nothing bitter about del val because they have not won anything, i just didnt understand all the hype about the quarterback, he was not even as good as rowan's second string quarterback

mac attack!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 11:46:37 pm
ur a joke fargo

i can tell u right now there wasn't one rowan fan that wasn't worried at halftime...

it was dvc's game until the mistakes....

also i'm sayin it now rowan loses by 20 this week......
mark my words......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 05, 2005, 05:49:44 am
they can loose by twenty this week, to come this far with backups i consider that a very successful season, and when it all comes down to it were still the beast of the east even with the second string

mac attack
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 06:52:34 am
Fargo....Go back to the NJAC board or the closet where you came from. It is apparent that you have never observed Knoblauch play before Saturday. All you have to do is look at his stats. It sounds like you have never played the game or you may have been just another frustrated "Pine Rider".  I can see talking Smak pre game but you come out of the closet now?? Go back to your closet or another board. You are not welcome here. I am sure you were wiping something at the half!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on December 05, 2005, 09:28:16 am
billman56
He's one of yours since Mr. "Fargo" is Posting Up from the DelVal campus.

...talk about issues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 10:30:20 am
yes, mommy and daddy are out at starbucks and left the computer on and little fargo is having his fun....time for him to go back to barney reruns as mommy and daddy will be home soon...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 05, 2005, 11:04:05 am
I thought it was a great game played by two great teams, in conditions (weather and field) that were deplorable at best. We watched the game from the Brown & Gold Gridiron Club section in the end zone and, yes, I was a bit worried at the half. Great adjustments were made by RU and the D really stepped up. It was a game of two halfs and thankfully, RU won the half that counted the most.

The RU Sucks chant was a bit much as was the group of DVC supporters behind our tent chanting at 14-0, "Stick a fork in 'em, they're done" at every chance they had. But once the game was over, they were very commendable about RU and wished us well. 

Good luck to DVC in the future and to the fans as well, Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 11:42:06 am
they can loose by twenty this week, to come this far with backups i consider that a very successful season, and when it all comes down to it were still the beast of the east even with the second string

mac attack


I'm callin you out, Fargo. I think you are a player, and players posting is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 11:47:50 am
Phil....Are you trying to tell me that Fargo is a DVC fan??? I hope not.

DR.XGSC....Good post bud...it was a good game.  I also heard the chant and send apologies...that  is not called for and in poor taste.

D3Phan....Hows that for good Karma???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on December 05, 2005, 12:02:07 pm
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 12:03:06 pm
billman it was great meeting you. and we will be back!!! dr. x and jt good luck next week in representing the east!!! You cant turn the ball over 3 times inside your own 40 yard line and expect to win. It gave them life and you have to give rowan credit for taking advantage of the oppourtunity. I dont necessarily disagree with mangus comments, at best these teams played to a tie if not dvc out playing them. did dvc outgain and win the time of possession? he gave his honest opinion that in HIS opinion if dvc/rowan played 10 times that dvc would win the majority NOT ALL the games. Any good and competitive coach i would expect to say the same thing including all the coaches in ncaa tourney. If not i am not sure i would want them coaching my team.  again you cant turn the ball over and expect to beat any team. so good luck to rowan the rest of the way. you have been nothing but gracious in victory and we wish you well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 12:46:53 pm
Phil...I dont believe he is from DVC, he is just another loser, who most likely came from another board to stir the pot. All in all he must be a loser who throws cheap shots AFTER the game is played and hides behind a posting name because he has no "Cajones" to identify himself. All posters should just ignore him totally.

Fargo...goodbye loser!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 12:49:05 pm
D3PHAN.....I didnt get any positive Karma points for that one!


Upbrmeasap....Good meeting up with you also, and glad the gang treated you like family in my absence...will see you next season???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 12:57:40 pm
you will see me next season....assuming my body defrosts by that time!!! I went up top to watch that second half (probably bad karma on my part i should of stayed where i was to continue dvc's good karma...) and the wind was worse up there i was standing up with a bunch of other people and were jumping around and was just about frozen solid by games end!!! Thx to DVC football team and coaching staff for another great season and run in the playoffs!!! also thought the game changed alot when carmon went out hurt on the kick off return. being up high i noticed they rolled their coverage over to marshall and we couldnt stretch the field like we were doing in the first half with carmon and marshall playing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 01:57:41 pm
Upbrmeasap:

Maybe so...but tell me, what possible purpose is served by a coach speculating on what might happen if they play another team 10 times other than to suggest that the team that won didn't deserve it and the team that lost blew it.  Perhaps instead of saying "if we didn't fumble that double reverse he wouldn't scored" he might have said "that was a dumb call in those conditions".....which it was.  And that kid had as much chance scoring as I do becoming the next Pope.

It was a great game.  The better TEAM won.  Again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 02:17:40 pm
what was the question that was asked? was it taken out of context? did the reporter ask if you played rowan 10 times who would win most of the games? how was the question that was asked was he led towards giving this type of answer? Also i think you have to cut him a little slack he just came out of a game with all kinds of emotions running....its not like he said rowan stunk and didnt deserve to be there and if we played them 10 times we would win 10 times.... come on...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 03:12:19 pm
UpBrMeAsap:

Momma always said, "Think before you speak." And if you're emotional, "Count 10 first." 
But there's more to it than that....I like to watch coaches on the sidelines...particularly when things go wrong...like when a QB throws an interception in the red zone...tells you a lot about them.  Try it sometime.

Ok, enough of this, lest someone starts throwing stones at MY glass house.   ;D

Bottom line is DVC has become a very competitive team and they should feel good about what they've accomplished.  Getting where they are is hard, and sustaining it is harder.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 05, 2005, 03:52:02 pm
Just a quick comment on the chants that were heard at the game.....they were to be sure "chanted " by a bunch of idiot kids who probably have never played a football game in their lives......or couldnt make the grade....come on guys I don't think I would have been able to find 1 person their Saturday that would agree that Rowan sucks...and where it counted there was alot of Character shown...and that was on the field...
 
Good luck Rowan make the East proud!

Happy Holidays to everyone..safe travels to Rowan!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 05, 2005, 04:13:22 pm
I did not hear the DVC-Rowan game but can tell from the paper and the postings it was a down to the wire contest.  While I am sorry that DVC did not win I am impressed by Rowan's victory, especially given the injuries to key personnel. 

Congrats to DVC for the great season.  Best wishes to Rowan as they go against the Purple Raiders. 

Again, Navy triumphed over Army and kept the Commander-in-Chief trophy for another year in Annapolis.  Navy has the #1 rushing offense in D1 - not too shabby for a service academy.

Wesley has me surprised.  Where did these guys come from?  Does anyone think it possible we may have an all East coast final?  That would be a hoot particularly after all the smack about the Texas teams and the West being so overpowering the last few years.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 04:23:23 pm
D3:

There are idiots all over, and while I didn't like the "RU Sucks" chanting, that did not represent the majority of the DVC crowd.  Far from it.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 05, 2005, 04:42:36 pm
on a serious note does anyone know if the del val quarterback is going to try to play in the nfl??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 05, 2005, 05:11:17 pm
Zman...


That was my point EXACTLY...maybe I didn't state it properly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 05:56:29 pm
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.

Well, I think that's what it is. He is not posting FROM Del Val's campus at all and since I already booted the kid once for violating the TOS with his last handle (the "so-and-so sucks" clause), I'm sure this is just another new e-mail address he cooked up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bandgpres on December 05, 2005, 06:12:11 pm
Guys , I personally found the DVC fans to be extremely cordial.................The one idiot behind the Brown & Gold tent saying "stick a fork In 'em" certainly was not representative of the crowd!
As far as Mangus goes , he's the one that has to live with that Dbl. reverse call under those conditions.Unfortunately for his players they must also.......It was a great game , regardless.
DVC  has earned the respect of the East ! Congratulations on another great season.
Profs..................Just remember........the last time w e beat Mighty Mount.............Our Def. Coordinator was our def. Capt./MLB............Hopefully his experiences will work to our benefit. Go Profs !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 07:15:36 pm
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.

Well, I think that's what it is. He is not posting FROM Del Val's campus at all and since I already booted the kid once for violating the TOS with his last handle (the "so-and-so sucks" clause), I'm sure this is just another new e-mail address he cooked up.

Thanks to the guru for that explaination.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 05, 2005, 07:24:15 pm
ok... so congrats to Deleware Valley on making it so far, to Wilkes for making the playoffs, and Widener and Moravian for winning their ECAC games... but now that all of the teams in the MAC are done... who's takin it next year??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on December 05, 2005, 07:52:57 pm
Congrats to DVC's Adam Knoblauch for being invited to the Aztec bowl!!!!

Enjoy!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2005, 07:57:22 pm
Congrats to DVC's Adam Knoblauch for being invited to the Aztec bowl!!!!

Enjoy!!! ;D

I think he and Elliot may get invited to a couple of other all-star games.  Oriehl may have also if he had not gotten hurt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 08:02:34 pm
Orihel's only a junior, so any all-star game would cost him a year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 08:10:20 pm
Orihel's only a junior, so any all-star game would cost him a year of eligibility.

Why does that happen? He did play this year, so he'll lose the eligibility anyway. Unless he medically redshirted.
If this is in the FAQ, I bow to the greatness of the Guru.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 10:23:40 pm
Playing in an all-star game would cost him his SENIOR year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2005, 11:49:17 pm
For some reason I thought he was a senior this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Reno Hightower on December 06, 2005, 09:10:59 am
are those WR's seniors?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 06, 2005, 10:58:43 am
Playing in an all-star game would cost him his SENIOR year of eligibility.

Guru,
I'm such a bonehead. I must have forgotten that the Aztec Bowl is for seniors, not juniors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 06, 2005, 11:18:30 am
Fargo...go back to the closet where you came from, all posters should ignore this cramudgen, nothing but negative postings. Dont you worry about Knoblauch, he will make out just fine. You are so classless that you would not be able to inflate the tires on the car that takes his laundry to the cleaners.

D3Phan....no Karma points for that one huh??
I see your Karma points are coming up?

Upbrmeasap, D3Phan, Readytorock, 4Man, Pat Coleman,Pat Cummings, Gordon Mann...Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 06, 2005, 12:18:18 pm
same to you billman and rest of posters on the boards...happy holidays everyone! With all that is going on in the world its nice to be able to have some dialogue and fun with people without it getting out of hand(most of the time....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on December 06, 2005, 01:58:13 pm
[As far as Mangus goes , he's the one that has to live with that Dbl. reverse call under those conditions.Unfortunately for his players they must also]by bandgpress

[....I like to watch coaches on the sidelines...particularly when things go wrong...like when a QB throws an interception in the red zone...tells you a lot about them.  Try it sometime.]by zman

First let me say thanks to the DelVal football team for an exciting and successful season! It's been a privilege to watch Adam and the rest of the seniors and we wish them the best in their post Aggies careers. Coach Mangus' brand of football is a thrill a minute and certainly never disappoints.

To the comments above -- 1st: regarding the reverse call, though you may not have agreed with it that's his style he's never been conservative and if the play had worked you would have said he was a genius. It's certainly a lot easier to determine the value of such a play call after the fact. If not for his fearlessness and trust in his players this team would certainly not have gone undefeated in the MAC over the last two seasons.
2nd: Your not too veiled attempt at bashing GA did not go unnoticed and to you I say only this: ask Adam how he feels about GA as a coach--that's all that matters, since it's obvious he wouldn't be where he is without Mangus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2005, 05:38:10 pm
Reno:

I believe Wright and Silva are seniors.  I'm not sure about the others.

But, if this postseason has taught us anything, it's that Rowan has the depth to reload, not rebuild.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 06, 2005, 06:55:57 pm
So my fellow MAC posters who are we pulling for now that DVC is out?

I much prefer an all EAST final with Wesley v. Rowan and the school from Delaware winning.

NCAA D3 kills me with their regional settings.  At one time they had Lycoming in the South - at least with Wesley they are technically below the Mason-Dixon line.

The Army-Navy game was phenomenal and it sounds like DVC had Rowan but let them slip away - I hate when that happens.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.

I enjoyed our season of banter very much and will most likely not be on the East coast next football season.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2005, 10:02:25 am
So my fellow MAC posters who are we pulling for now that DVC is out?

I much prefer an all EAST final with Wesley v. Rowan and the school from Delaware winning.

NCAA D3 kills me with their regional settings.  At one time they had Lycoming in the South - at least with Wesley they are technically below the Mason-Dixon line.

The Army-Navy game was phenomenal and it sounds like DVC had Rowan but let them slip away - I hate when that happens.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.

I enjoyed our season of banter very much and will most likely not be on the East coast next football season.

All the best

Lyco,

 Actually  (http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa041999.htm)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 07, 2005, 10:37:08 am
here is the link for drew markol's sit down interview with coach mangus where he discusses the rumored wisconsin position and the future of dvc's program its a good read and g.a. is very candid and straightforward with his responses of course there seems to be some on these boards that dont like that mangus is honest and gives a direct response to the questions (i find it quite refreshing and his confidence in himself and coaching staff is what draws some many good players to him that has been stated numerous times by his players...)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-12072005-580745.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 07, 2005, 06:43:52 pm
Stalker,

Tres interesting my learned amigo.

I did not know that tidbit irt the Mason-Dixon line.  Let me restate:

Wesley is merely to the East of the aforementioned Mason-Dixon line while Williamsport, PA - home to the Lycoming Warriors - is most definitely north of the line sometimes used to divide North and South in the mid-19th century.

What a hoot!  I love PP since you can always learn from another.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 07, 2005, 06:48:07 pm
Stalker,

Also irt your posting of "Actually" Delaware while being East of the Mason-Dixon line remained a slave state yet somehow stayed in the Union during the Civil War.

Perhaps the D3 sections have an historic basis for their confusion after all.

Thanks for bringing this piece of trivia to my attention.  I stand corrected and indeed am a better informed man for the exercise.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2005, 08:05:03 pm
That was because Delaware was a neutral state....but if anyone has been below New Castle county (Northern DE)  it's about as south as you can get...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 07, 2005, 08:06:55 pm
I think the tip of Cape May is below the Mason-Dixon line officially, too.  That would explain some of the inbreds in South Jersey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2005, 08:16:37 pm
I'm from South Jersey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 07, 2005, 08:20:40 pm
Lyco80...

Have to back the Prof's since they now represent the MAC and all other Conferences in the East....I agree that until someone knocks them off, they are the BE"A"ST, with or without the "A"....Their year after year depth in the skill positions is the major reason why...This year is a prime example...Go get 'em Prof's...N JAC ATTACK!!!...

Congratulations to the Aggies and their fans on a fine season...As one pos(t)er throughout the season stated...May the recruiting wars for that prime SNJ/Philly talent begin...Me....I'll be off to Hershey PA Friday night for my high school's State AAA Football Championship....
ROLLLL TIDE!!!....
Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 07, 2005, 08:32:54 pm
Simba:  karma to you!!    ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL   TIDE!! 8)

Wife's from 'BAMA!!     GO PROFS!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 07, 2005, 08:48:49 pm
i could use a little karma AC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Go Profs!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 07, 2005, 08:50:21 pm
already hit ya Rtex!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOO   PROFS!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 07, 2005, 09:07:08 pm
Question...

If Mangus and big if would leave del val, will they be able to continue their success?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2005, 10:30:50 pm
Good question.

I think, for there to be any chance of that, the facilities need to get upgraded.  That's going to catch up to them sooner or later.  Without Mangus, my guess is it's the former.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 08, 2005, 09:18:48 am
Happy Holidays to the MAC posters from an NJAC Poster.

+ Karma to each of you in this Merry State of Karmonesty.

In order for Del Val to continue to strive towards success (whether or not their coach leaves or not), they MUST upgrade their football field, stands, concessions and restrooms. I thought the fan base was great, except for those male students who decided to cheer topless. They were into the game and they kept the momentum going through the first half and again in the 4th quarter.

I am sure that in the future, the paths of the NJAC and MAC will cross again. Have a great holiday season everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 08, 2005, 01:15:29 pm
Mangus is gonna leave cuz he doesnt have knoblach and cook... so next year when they arent undefeated, he cant have fingers pointing at him... Everyone has there own opinion and I hope im not bein rude, im sorry, I just dont like the man too much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on December 08, 2005, 01:55:26 pm
Ahhh MACguy you may be completely suprised about who and what will be at DelVal next year and as for Mangus everybody hates a winner!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2005, 05:32:36 pm
A couple of thoughts...

First Dr X right back at ya....and good luck next week.  Can't wait to the home and home...

Now on to Del Val

I personally hope that GA stays, as DV has represented the MAC well the last few years and stepped up to a level that I doubt the rest of the teams could have ....

In regards to the team, the potential loss of GA will have some impact, but in most cases teams that "peak" do not immediately bottom out (except the Eagles :))  His impact will be felt in that program for several years, and as long as his succesor is not totally inept, DV will continue to be competitive for the MAC title...

Now  to the DV faithful...

STOP BEING PARANOID....the rest of the MAC faithful do not hate you....

The dominant team always is put under a microscope, and that means we will pick apart everything you do...just enjoy the ride....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 08, 2005, 06:59:34 pm
GA Mangus built DV into a regional contender.  His recruits should all be on the roster for the next few years.  If he does leave the next coach should just take the program and run with it.  It happened to Rowan they went from John Bunting to KC Keeler to Jay Accorsi and haven't really missed a beat.  Its getting the program into the upper echelon thats the hardest challenge and didn't GA do that?  Give the guy some PROPS!!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 09, 2005, 09:17:19 am
If everyone reads the link i posted earlier IF mangus leaves dvc, the program will be in good hands. Mangus has stated who the successor will be and he was brought in for that reason. I do not see dvc falling much at all if mangus were to leave right now. they lose 4 starters from this years team. yes the qb and rb but cook the tailback was splitting time with an underclassmen. That is a bunch of starters back with lots of experience. As mangus says they are now looking to build depth into their roster. dvc is very young and loaded with talent if mangus were to leave i am pretty sure most of the current staff would stay. They are also going to be upgrading the facilities so things look very bright at dvc. Yes that will stick a number of people's crawl the dvc and mangus are successful. My guess will also be that mangus will be bringing in some top flight qb's to play. So hopefully our football team can now match the success of dvc's wrestling team!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 09, 2005, 11:07:48 am
Billman, Readytorock, All D3 Fans

Happy Holidays!!!!

Safe travels and fun times over the Holidays.

Billman...need your address ..please email it to me....I have something that belongs to your other half.

-9 karma....geeesh   what did I do now?

A special Thank you for all the work that is involved in making this site what it is!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 10, 2005, 01:47:12 pm
FYI

today @2pm on ABC, the All-American Show is on,  Coach "G" 's 250 victory is supposed to be mentioned.  We'll see !

Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 10, 2005, 02:28:53 pm
Very nicely done.....and the great Keith Jackson narrating.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 12, 2005, 12:24:06 pm
Congrats to the aggies placing 7 players on the d3football.com all east team well done!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 12, 2005, 10:59:47 pm
Simba,

Heard from a well-placed source in Williamsport that Coach "G" has been asked to hang until the President of the College steps down in a couple of years.  Any truth to the rumor from your sources?  Interesting thought - did not know the President was thinking of retiring so soon or that "G" was planning on staying on.

What say you?  For that matter, any other MAC folks have any input?

And by the way, how is that I am in the negative and guys who cannot even form complete sentences on here have positive karma?

As Seinfeld would opine - "I am without speech."

Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight.

Good game Rowan - go UWW!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 14, 2005, 09:28:30 am
Readytorock.....Congrats to your guy  for the ECAC award, very nice and well deserved. Our guy missed the East region selection....he posted the stats and points but must have been overlooked?

D3Phan...did you get the information I emailed you??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 14, 2005, 12:38:12 pm
Billman: I thought the point totals were the thing for the kickers...I know he set a school record this year alone and he's the alltime  scorer... go figure? don't know how they don't know all this.   By the way, there are quite a few MAC guys on the ECAC team and both wideouts from Rowan ...looking to see how it plays out for the january ALL ECAC ! any thoughts? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 14, 2005, 01:38:51 pm
readytorock.....I havent a clue how it will all fall out...I thought it would be based on performance alone, but I guess not.  The Kicker from Kings Point had one hell of a year with field goals...godd for him!! Would have liked to see Knoblauch win the Gagliardi trophy. His career was something to be witnessed. Its not like he came down to D3 from DI and made all of the accomplishments. 

Well when does "camp" start...are we there yet??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on December 14, 2005, 02:02:12 pm
lyco80...

  As a student here at lyco alot of changes have been happening over the past two to three years...Lots of staff have changed from the cafe to the admin staff...the possiblity of President Douthat stepping down in the next couple years could be part of all these changes....with that I would not be suprised if G stepped down at that time too as he has been rumored to be pondering the idea..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 15, 2005, 10:49:31 pm
Swimma,

Thanks for the comeback.  I heard from Bill Byham, one of the broadcasters who covers the Warriors, that Coach G will, indeed, be returning for next season.

Additionally, the Sons of Italy are honoring him with a banquet on the 21st of January in Williamsport.

I sure bet it is cold in Williamsport this week - brrrr.....I am still thawing out from the blizzard of 1978.

And with the thermometer - my karma continues to fall as well - and to think, "I used to be somebody, I coulda been a contender."

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 16, 2005, 12:04:20 pm
Lyco80...
My sources confirm what your sources have stated so only time will tell...Pasta for everyone on the 21st of Jan!!!...And yes, there was ice on the inside of the windows in East Hall (Sigma Pi) for the whole month of Jan that year...Negative Chill index for weeks!!!...Will never forget that...I do remember the 70's now!!!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 18, 2005, 07:19:12 am
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2?  Personally, as a member of the United Methodist Church and clergy it tickles me to think that a small, United Methodist school in Ohio is the D3 national powerhouse year after year.  But isn't it time for them to try their mettle agains the Georgia Southern's of the world? 

UWW - lost the game at the end of the second half when their tight end dropped a certain touchdown and later when they were third and goal and someone missed a blocking assignment on either the LB or Safety who stuffed ole Justin with a most righteous hit.  Turnovers then sealed their fate.

MU was clearly on their game and their D just tightened things up as the game wore on.

8 out of 13 is an awesome feat - but shouldn't the NCAA challenge them to move up after all these accomplishments?

By the way, where do all the D2 players in Ohio go to school anyway?  Perhaps the dearth of D2 and D1AA schools in Ohio might explain the gene pool at Alliance.

I noticed that the Empire8, LL and MAC are all very silent these days.  Although, LL is sometimes amusingly active about other matters than football and well worth the occasional scan for the chuckle and random photos.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on December 18, 2005, 01:15:25 pm
I dont know that Mount should move up.  You cant fault Kehres for being in a great situation and taking advantage of it. 

If they are too successful, maybe the NCAA should ask Southern Cal to tone it down as well???  Or maybe Grand Valley should move to 1AA??? 

As Bobby Bowden told Lou Holtz..."It's not my job to coach your team.  If you dont like it, coach better, recruit better, or change the schedule."

I am waiting for Florida and California to figure out how to play d3 football.  That would be intersting...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on December 18, 2005, 03:35:18 pm
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 05:40:04 pm
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2? 

This isn't european soccer. Winning a division doesn't mean you have to move "up" a level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 05:48:46 pm
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.

Lord, not another MAC team jumping ship!

On the other hand, if they want to go, let 'em go. Maybe they will join the Liberty League along with Susquehanna and thus enjoy endless treks by bus to St. Lawrence (a venue not all that far-removed from Montreal; after the game, they could venture up to that lovely city and polish their French-Canadian patois skills).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:14:02 pm
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 07:16:00 pm
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.

Perhaps it doesn't matter ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 05:50:18 am
I dont know that Mount should move up.  You cant fault Kehres for being in a great situation and taking advantage of it. 

If they are too successful, maybe the NCAA should ask Southern Cal to tone it down as well???  Or maybe Grand Valley should move to 1AA??? 

As Bobby Bowden told Lou Holtz..."It's not my job to coach your team.  If you dont like it, coach better, recruit better, or change the schedule."

I am waiting for Florida and California to figure out how to play d3 football.  That would be intersting...

Glad for the comment, I am. 

Where can USC go?  As for Grand Valley, did they win 110 games in a row at their level?  Since there is no answer for the first question - Southern Cal cannot go pro, and Grand Valley did not dominate their level ala MU both questions are truly species but amusing.

Not faulting Kehres or anyone but merely pointing out that clearly MU continues to dominate the sport and level unlike any team with whom they regularly compete.

Naturally sports is replete with dynasties - the Yankees of the 1950s and the Celtics of the same era - John Wooden's UCLA Bruins - but these teams were not only Cock of the Walk but at the highest level of competition for their sport.

All I am suggesting is that it is obviously clear that MU is capable of handling stiffer competition since they routinely run through the OAC and then the NCAA playoff system.

Thanks for the comeback though.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 05:53:10 am
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2? 

This isn't european soccer. Winning a division doesn't mean you have to move "up" a level.

For the record, please notice I never implied they had to "move" up a level but merely suggested that for a team that wins 110 in a row and dominates both their conference year after year and then the playoffs it might be time for some serious minds to consider if this is in the best interests of D3 and Mount Union.

Curious it is that this suggestion seems so threatening to others.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:01:09 am
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.



Tecmo,

I will nose around after the holidays and see if I can find anything out.  I do not see Lycoming joining the LL but perhaps the Empire8 might be a better fit.  The departure of Susquehanna, Moravian and Juniata will have some sweeping implications for the MAC, and not just in football.  It will be interesting to see where this all leads.

Merry Christmas.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 19, 2005, 06:55:48 am
Id stay where you are.  The less teams per conference in a pool a system the better. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 08:12:41 am
How about investigating the joining of NESCAC? {For those of you who can find no humor in anything NESCAC related, please note that the foregoing is intended as a joke even if it is not funny to you.}
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 08:31:13 am
maybe i am way way off here and pat or warren can chime in and correct me but i thought i remember reading somewhere that mount union was at the div II level and dropped to div III....thus when they first started winning all these championships they had a number of div II players playing against div III players....of course that was a long time ago and success gets success evident by their recruiting and keeping great things going. Or maybe i put too much brandy in my egg nog and am thinking of another team....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 08:36:20 am
I don't think that scenario applies to Mount Union, but something roughly similar happened at Dayton.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 08:52:40 am
maybe i am way way off here and pat or warren can chime in and correct me but i thought i remember reading somewhere that mount union was at the div II level and dropped to div III....thus when they first started winning all these championships they had a number of div II players playing against div III players....of course that was a long time ago and success gets success evident by their recruiting and keeping great things going. Or maybe i put too much brandy in my egg nog and am thinking of another team....

To my knowledge, MUC has always competed at the D3 level. They had some good and some not so good seasons under Ken Wable; they took off with the advent of Larry Kehres (in 1986?), though there was that "down" year, 1989, when they went 7-2-1.

Dayton is a different story. The Flyers are D1 in basketball, but, until the rules were changed, played D3 football (they now are D1AA non-scholarship, I believe).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 10:02:59 am
thx warren, hmmmm i get a -22 karma for what?? putting too much brandy in my egg nog???? bah humbug i say!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 11:47:18 am
About 20 years ago Dayton was playing DIA football competing with Mid-America Conference colleges and the like. Then in one year it went directly to DIII football and, as I recall, consequently withdrew its football grants-in-aid to its football players (I don't remember whether Dayton players were given the option of staying at Dayton keeping their grants-in-aid but without having the opportunity to play football). Some of Dayton's players transfered to other college programs, but others stayed at Dayton without grants-in-aid and played football. Until this latter group played out its eligibility at Dayton, Dayton was playing a non-scholarship schedule with a substantial number of scholarship quality players who at that time were not on football scholarship. In these circumstances Dayton went to the DIII playoffs for several years and in 1989 won it. Does anyone have a better recollection of this matter?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 11:55:03 am
maybe i am way way off here

You're way off, yes. :)

Frank, I think what happened at Dayton was they were giving scholarships to track athletes who just happened to also play football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 12:51:28 pm
I am most pleased to see the chatter of late as it relates to parity at the lower levels of NCAA college football. 

Let me rephrase my concern and issue one more time.

If there were a football team at the D1, D1AA, D2 level that won 110 regular season games in a row and then won the national championship 8 out of 13 years there would be something like congressional hearings or an NCAA investigation.  That is a regular season rate of 100% and a national championship success of 62% during this span.  Meanwhile, MUC is overwhelmingly succesful year after year and people seem afraid to even discuss the "notion" of them considering moving up in competition as if such a matter were "un-American."

The very nature of competition demands that your opponent has some reasonable probability at victory, if not, then this is something other than competition.  Sure on any given day, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is that MUC is a juggernaut that has, and will, continue to run roughshod over much of D3.  I see nothing in the present or near future to change that and wonder why more people are not questioning the status quo rather than defending it. 

Also, does anyone else find it curious that Garcon, the MUC talented wide-receiver, left the warmth of Florida for the cool-weather of Ohio, by-passing any number of scholarship offering schools (D1, D1AA, D2) along the way? 

As far as I can see, you cannot have it both ways.  To wit, if he travelled that far to play in Alliance that only underscores my point that MUC will continue to pound other D3 schools.  Or, just perhaps, they are really are a D2 program masquerading at the D3 level.

Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.  And yes, trust me, I know about statistics and having taken graduate courses in regression to the mean and linear progression so I know how figures can be manipulated. 

I have posted enough on here to know that the rest of you can snipe and smite at me at will and pick apart my arguments in their minutae.  How about instead of that a reasoned dialogue that entertains the notion that the level of D3 football is elevating or changing?  Or even a discussion about the merits of encouraging the most dominate programs to consider moving up.

I wonder what is at stake here - pride, money or something else? 

And I am not looking to get smacked here - just hoping to get some interaction from MAC posters and the occasional browsers from other leagues.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 19, 2005, 01:09:12 pm
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.

As an E8 guy, we don't want Lycoming in the conference... UC needs to improve, not decline  :D :o

(Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case you don't know.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 19, 2005, 01:11:23 pm
I am most pleased to see the chatter of late as it relates to parity at the lower levels of NCAA college football. 

Let me rephrase my concern and issue one more time.

If there were a football team at the D1, D1AA, D2 level that won 110 regular season games in a row and then won the national championship 8 out of 13 years there would be something like congressional hearings or an NCAA investigation.  That is a regular season rate of 100% and a national championship success of 62% during this span.  Meanwhile, MUC is overwhelmingly succesful year after year and people seem afraid to even discuss the "notion" of them considering moving up in competition as if such a matter were "un-American."

The very nature of competition demands that your opponent has some reasonable probability at victory, if not, then this is something other than competition.  Sure on any given day, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is that MUC is a juggernaut that has, and will, continue to run roughshod over much of D3.  I see nothing in the present or near future to change that and wonder why more people are not questioning the status quo rather than defending it. 

Also, does anyone else find it curious that Garcon, the MUC talented wide-receiver, left the warmth of Florida for the cool-weather of Ohio, by-passing any number of scholarship offering schools (D1, D1AA, D2) along the way? 

As far as I can see, you cannot have it both ways.  To wit, if he travelled that far to play in Alliance that only underscores my point that MUC will continue to pound other D3 schools.  Or, just perhaps, they are really are a D2 program masquerading at the D3 level.

Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.  And yes, trust me, I know about statistics and having taken graduate courses in regression to the mean and linear progression so I know how figures can be manipulated. 

I have posted enough on here to know that the rest of you can snipe and smite at me at will and pick apart my arguments in their minutae.  How about instead of that a reasoned dialogue that entertains the notion that the level of D3 football is elevating or changing?  Or even a discussion about the merits of encouraging the most dominate programs to consider moving up.

I wonder what is at stake here - pride, money or something else? 

And I am not looking to get smacked here - just hoping to get some interaction from MAC posters and the occasional browsers from other leagues.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best





Garcon WAS an E8 guy before playing for the national champs, by the way... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on December 19, 2005, 01:18:33 pm
I assume it was grades or SAT's that kept him out of a D-1 type school. Not sure when enticed him about Norwich, or how he eventually ended up with Mount.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 01:22:07 pm
D3football.com "Features" column for 28 September 2005 highlights Garcon. He wanted to go to Syracuse, but his SATs kept him out. He played one year for Norwich before transferring to Mt. Union for the current season.

Thus, I suppose we can infer from the facts above that his SAT scores kept him out of D1, yet were good enough for a couple of D3 venues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 01:22:20 pm
i watched the game and was really impressed by both qb's they had strong arms and both teams were well coached. congrats to mu on another trophy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on December 19, 2005, 02:31:35 pm
Lyco... you need to dumb down your posts for the Gro, my brain hurts.

I Don't know what to think about MUC's stance at the top of D3. As a fan, seeing them win just about every year gets boring. But they do set the standard of excellence... so when a team like SJU beats them (and handles them soundly) like in 03... it's big news.

A few years back it was Marshall and Youngstown St that owned DI-AA... Marshall made the move, Youngstown didn't.

I really don't know where this post is going so I'll just stop here and say "when in rome".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 03:10:32 pm
Mount Union's competitors have 4 alternatives within their control: 1) keep on doing what they have been doing and accept the consequences; 2) attempt to get better; 3)acquiesce and attempt to get worse; and 4) stop competing with Mount Union. There is a lot of running room within those options. No need for Mount Union to change its relationship to DIII.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 04:29:17 pm
Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.

That would be true if everyone on the team was a walk-on, but since student-athletes are recruited to schools specifically to play, that is not the case.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on December 19, 2005, 06:34:18 pm
Posters,
The type of kids going to Mt. Union are a whole different grouping than standard D3 kids.  Many of these kids historically are kids that could not make it at Ohio State, or other D1 schools, either academically or athletically, or both.  They recently had a kid that was a top lineman recruit at Ohio State, but could not get the magic 700 on his college boards.  Look no secret here, if you want to have a consistently top program in D3, you gotta find a way to attract athletes first and students second.  Yea, I know this statement will anger some readers, but it is what it is, THE TRUTH.  Wishing all readers a blessed holiday season and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:46:23 pm
Lyco... you need to dumb down your posts for the Gro, my brain hurts.

I Don't know what to think about MUC's stance at the top of D3. As a fan, seeing them win just about every year gets boring. But they do set the standard of excellence... so when a team like SJU beats them (and handles them soundly) like in 03... it's big news.

A few years back it was Marshall and Youngstown St that owned DI-AA... Marshall made the move, Youngstown didn't.

I really don't know where this post is going so I'll just stop here and say "when in rome".