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SUMMIT!!!!!

#18525
So the playoff field is set for the 31st annual MIAC Playoffs! #1- UST, #2 St Olaf, #3 SJU, #4 Bethel, #5 Cord & #6 GAC.

* Since the playoffs began in 1985, every school has made the field at least once. SMU has the fewest appearances (one, 1985) while UST has the most (28 counting 2015)
* UST is making its 16th consecutive appearance in the Playoffs. SJU is making its 9th appearance in a row. This is the 4th time in a row that Bethel has made the field. St Olaf and GAC are repeating from last year while Concordia is back in the field after a three-year one year absence.

Since the field was expanded to six teams in 2001---
*NO #3, #5 or #6 seed has won the tourney.
* Teams seeded third and sixth have never reached the title game; the only 5th seed to reach the championship game was GAC in 2011
* The only #4 to win it was Carleton in 2010, and they needed OT to knock off GAC that season
* #1 has won 10 of 14 (which bodes well for UST) BUT UST is the only #1 to lose the title game, falling to GAC in 2003 and St Olaf in  2014
* Olaf was the champion in 2014, their only title.
* Gustavus last won it all in 2005.
* UST last won it in 2013 and has won 7 of the last 9.
* SJU last won it all in 2001, the first year of the 6-team format
* Bethel and Concordia have never won the tourney under the 6-team format
* Bethel's only Playoff title was in 1991 when they beat UST and GAC in the old 4-team format
* Concordia won it all in 1996, beating Carleton & Gustauvs

Quarter final tidbits
* The battle between 3rd and 6th seed has seen each seed win 7 times
* #4 seeds have a 10-4 record vs #5 seeds, which bodes well for Bethel
* Bethel is 4-0 as a #4 seed
* Cord is 0-1 as the #5 seed
* SJU is 0-2 as the #3 seed
* GAC is 1-0 as the #6 seed. Do these last two bode well enough for a Gusties upset win at Collegeville?
After the game, the king and pawn go into the same box.

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nkwest

Quote from: miacmaniac on February 22, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
* #1 has won 10 of 14 (which bodes well for UST) BUT UST is the only #1 to lose the title game, falling to GAC in 2003 and St Olaf in  2014

Great stuff.

Additionally, UST's three losses this season come from three different teams (Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus), all in the tournament, and they're guaranteed to play one of those teams in the semifinals. Compelling match-ups and potential match-ups across the board this postseason.

GoldandBlueBU

Quote from: miacmaniac on February 22, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
So the playoff field is set for the 31st annual MIAC Playoffs! #1- UST, #2 St Olaf, #3 SJU, #4 Bethel, #5 Cord & #6 GAC.

* Since the playoffs began in 1985, every school has made the field at least once. SMU has the fewest appearances (one, 1985) while UST has the most (28 counting 2015)
* UST is making its 16th consecutive appearance in the Playoffs. SJU is making its 9th appearance in a row. This is the 4th time in a row that Bethel has made the field. St Olaf and GAC are repeating from last year while Concordia is back in the field after a three-year absence.

Since the field was expanded to six teams in 2001---
*NO #3, #5 or #6 seed has won the tourney.
* Teams seeded third and sixth have never reached the title game; the only 5th seed to reach the championship game was GAC in 2011
* The only #4 to win it was Carleton in 2010, and they needed OT to knock off GAC that season
* #1 has won 10 of 14 (which bodes well for UST) BUT UST is the only #1 to lose the title game, falling to GAC in 2003 and St Olaf in  2014
* Olaf was the champion in 2014, their only title.
* Gustavus last won it all in 2005.
* UST last won it in 2013 and has won 7 of the last 9.
* SJU last won it all in 2001, the first year of the 6-team format
* Bethel and Concordia have never won the tourney under the 6-team format
* Bethel's only Playoff title was in 1991 when they beat UST and GAC in the old 4-team format
* Concordia won it all in 1996, beating Carleton & Gustauvs

Quarter final tidbits
* The battle between 3rd and 6th seed has seen each seed with 7 times
* #4 seeds have a 10-4 record vs #5 seeds, which bodes well for Bethel
* Bethel is 4-0 as a #4 seed
* Cord is 0-1 as the #5 seed
* SJU is 0-2 as the #3 seed
* GAC is 1-0 as the #6 seed. Do these last two bode well enough for a Gusties upset win at Collegeville?

Excellent post!  Lots of interesting facts.

I don't think it's a cake walk, but UST will manage to win...Oles can definitely challenge if Figini is rolling....SJU's perimeter and overall size can give anyone issues too, if they're shooting it well.

Coach R

Hey MIAC Faithful -

Just wanted to say Thank You for supporting the league the way you all do.

The board has been quiet this year - but the stands were always full and the internet hits always high - no matter who played who.

It is great to work in a league that has people so passionate and supportive of their team.

Know we will continue to work hard to raise our status in the league and keep this as one of the best leagues in the nation from top to bottom.

Finally - Good luck to all the playoff teams and fans - it should be fun to watch.

Here's to hoping we get two teams in the big dance!

It will be interesting to see how the NCAA brackets look with the new region placements now in place.

Until next year - See you on the recruiting trail!

Coach R
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Quote from: Coach R on February 23, 2015, 11:36:04 PM
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SUMMIT!!!!!

#18531
Tonight is UST's 10th consecutive appearance in the semifinals and their 13th in the 15 season of the six-team format. They are 11-1 overall and 9-1 as the top seed, with the lone loss coming in 2010.

Gustavus is making a record 14th appearance in the semifinals. The Gusties had a 12 year string broken in 2013 and return to the semis for the second year in a row. They are 8-5 in semifinal action, but are 1-4 when playing on the road. They are 0-1 in their lone previous appearance as the #6 seed.

Bethel is making its 11th appearance in the semis and fourth in a row. The Royals have a 2-8 record. They are 0-4 in the semis as the #4 seed.

St. Olaf is making its third appearance in the semis and second in a row. The Oles are 1-1, with a win in 20164 and a loss in 2007.

UST and GAC have met once before in the semis....a 2009 Tommie win. St. Oaf and Bethel have never met in the semifinals.

The higher seeded team has won 24 of the 28 semifinal games.
After the game, the king and pawn go into the same box.

Italian proverb

SUMMIT!!!!!

In the 15 years that the playoff has been in its present format of 6 teams, with 1 & 2 getting first-round bye:

The #1 seed has won the tourney 10 times. The exceptions were in 2003 when #2 GAC won it all, 2010 when #4 Carleton was champ, 2011 when #2 UST won and 2014 when #2 St Olaf won

The #4 seed has has reached the title game once before- Carleton in 2010 (they won it)

St Thomas and Bethel have met in the championship game twice before...in 2002 and again in 2009. UST won both meetings. Interestingly, they never met in the championship game under the four-team format

There have been 2 overtime championship games. GAC has lost them both (2010 to Carleton and 2012 to UST)

Tomorrow promises to be one of the best and most exciting title tilts of all time


After the game, the king and pawn go into the same box.

Italian proverb

GoldandBlueBU

Great game yesterday...back and forth a couple of times, with the string of jumpers by Alipate (2 threes and a long 2) with about 8 minutes leftbeing what did BU in, IMO, as they were never able to quite get back over the hump after being down 9 after that.

Shaffer (sp?) is a really great player...one of those guys that isn't blow you away athletic, but is just smooth with the ball and makes things look easy...Tillman and Alipate had their moments, but Shaffer seems to be the straw that stirs the drink for the tommies...much like Wojta.

Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.

Zimmerman had a great game...he does incredible things for only being a 6'3 post player.

BU needs to find an inside presence to replace him next year, which is not an easy fill, but otherwise, the future is bright!

AO

Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on March 02, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.
Chasing around Bridge must have tired him out judging by his goose egg in the scoring column.

Looks like the West committee really hated the Royals based upon early reports that the final secret rankings had them at #6 despite 3 wins over Olaf.  Could have had 3 MIAC teams in the tourney if they don't bury Bethel in the rankings by selectively using the head to head criteria when considering Buena Vista but not St. Olaf.

GoldandBlueBU

Quote from: AO on March 02, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on March 02, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.
Chasing around Bridge must have tired him out judging by his goose egg in the scoring column.



Could be the case...he air-balled a wide open 12 footer on the baseline that went about 2 feet past the far rim...pretty ugly.  Forced a few shots not long after that in an effort to get the monkey off his back, none of them went, and then he didn't try to do much offensively the rest of the way.

carletonsid

Quote from: AO on March 02, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on March 02, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.
Chasing around Bridge must have tired him out judging by his goose egg in the scoring column.

Looks like the West committee really hated the Royals based upon early reports that the final secret rankings had them at #6 despite 3 wins over Olaf.  Could have had 3 MIAC teams in the tourney if they don't bury Bethel in the rankings by selectively using the head to head criteria when considering Buena Vista but not St. Olaf.

I would have to add that Bethel's losses to Hamline and Carleton certainly didn't help either.

AO

#18537
Quote from: carletonsid on March 02, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: AO on March 02, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on March 02, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.
Chasing around Bridge must have tired him out judging by his goose egg in the scoring column.

Looks like the West committee really hated the Royals based upon early reports that the final secret rankings had them at #6 despite 3 wins over Olaf.  Could have had 3 MIAC teams in the tourney if they don't bury Bethel in the rankings by selectively using the head to head criteria when considering Buena Vista but not St. Olaf.

I would have to add that Bethel's losses to Hamline and Carleton certainly didn't help either.
Sure but "bad losses" aren't really a part of the criteria.  Bethel had a much better resume than Buena Vista but was put below them due to 1 head to head matchup.  Surely then St. Olaf who has a similar resume to Bethel (better WP but worse SOS and wins versus Regionally ranked) would be punished more heavily for losing 0-3 in the head to head?  I think the West committee was nervous about getting bids and set Olaf up to be the first West team on the board believing that the committee wouldn't look past the win pct.  Maybe I'm giving them too much credit and they just didn't apply the criteria themselves.

AO

Also, I think the NCAA needs to give itself a little more flexibility in bracketing.  Think we could sell out an arena in the cities for Tommies vs. Eagles like we did in 2011, but it's a little harder to get people to travel up to Packerland. 

carletonsid

Quote from: AO on March 02, 2015, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: carletonsid on March 02, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: AO on March 02, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on March 02, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
Interesting defensive strategy to put 6'6 Nord on either Wojta or Tusler most of the day...worked out mostly, there were a few times when they were just a step too quick for him, but he kept them in front of him for the most part.
Chasing around Bridge must have tired him out judging by his goose egg in the scoring column.

Looks like the West committee really hated the Royals based upon early reports that the final secret rankings had them at #6 despite 3 wins over Olaf.  Could have had 3 MIAC teams in the tourney if they don't bury Bethel in the rankings by selectively using the head to head criteria when considering Buena Vista but not St. Olaf.

I would have to add that Bethel's losses to Hamline and Carleton certainly didn't help either.
Sure but "bad losses" aren't really a part of the criteria.  Bethel had a much better resume than Buena Vista but was put below them due to 1 head to head matchup.  Surely then St. Olaf who has a similar resume to Bethel (better WP but worse SOS and wins versus Regionally ranked) would be punished more heavily for losing 0-3 in the head to head?  I think the West committee was nervous about getting bids and set Olaf up to be the first West team on the board believing that the committee wouldn't look past the win pct.  Maybe I'm giving them too much credit and they just didn't apply the criteria themselves.

Why do you think the committee actually follows its own listed criteria? :-X