I have a question, could Boyd's ISR ratings produce the BEST 54 teams ?
If the NCAA's started today, this would be your 54 teams. YES, I am aware there are many schools that have NOT reported yet. YES, I agree the regular season conference champ and/or conference tourney champ has importance, but I want to post his rankings and compare to regional rankings when they are produce.
For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Last updated: Thu Apr 23 08:53:35 2009
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 130.7 25 4 36 6 7 Millsaps
2 128.1 33 2 34 3 52 Pomona-Pitzer
3 127.7 23 5 27 6 11 Heidelberg
4 127.2 29 6 32 8 18 Texas-Tyler
5 125.4 17 6 22 7 5 St. Thomas, Minnesota
6 124.7 13 4 21 5 13 Carthage
7 123.9 15 5 23 8 15 Illinois Wesleyan
8 122.9 16 9 20 10 1 Wisconsin-Whitewater
9 122.8 15 6 18 8 9 Marietta
10 121.7 14 6 15 9 10 St. Olaf
11 121.6 21 8 21 8 19 Wisconsin-Stevens Point
12 121.4 25 2 30 3 146 Southern Maine
13 119.7 21 2 21 3 171 Trinity, CT
14 119.6 17 2 27 2 153 St. Scholastica
15 119.5 27 3 33 5 158 Salisbury
16 119.2 19 10 25 15 14 Texas-Dallas
17 119.1 23 7 28 7 55 Wooster
18 119.1 23 7 31 8 58 Shenandoah
19 118.2 22 5 23 6 111 Ithaca
20 118.0 23 11 28 12 25 Texas Lutheran
21 117.9 17 7 25 9 38 Franklin
22 117.8 13 4 21 5 76 Thomas More
23 117.7 24 6 26 6 106 Eastern Connecticut State
24 117.6 26 5 29 8 139 George Fox
25 117.6 14 5 19 8 59 John Carroll
26 117.3 21 6 24 7 97 Penn State-Erie
27 117.3 23 7 28 7 87 Kean
28 117.3 26 8 28 8 86 Pacific Lutheran
29 117.3 18 9 22 15 26 Mary Hardin-Baylor
30 117.0 14 9 16 10 12 Wisconsin-La Crosse
31 116.9 25 7 27 7 104 California Lutheran
32 116.5 18 8 20 9 45 Christopher Newport
33 116.1 25 5 30 5 160 Keystone
34 115.9 19 9 24 16 43 Hardin-Simmons
35 115.6 25 13 25 16 37 North Carolina Wesleyan
36 115.6 17 11 20 14 20 DePauw
37 115.1 23 11 24 12 48 Methodist
38 115.1 23 9 25 10 84 Birmingham-Southern
39 114.8 16 12 21 13 16 Chapman
40 114.7 11 11 15 11 2 Wisconsin-Oshkosh
41 114.6 19 8 20 12 78 La Verne
42 114.6 16 5 26 6 120 Buena Vista
43 114.6 14 4 20 8 138 Aurora
44 114.0 14 7 19 9 60 Mount St. Joseph
45 113.8 16 8 17 11 65 Loras
46 113.6 26 4 28 5 221 Curry
47 113.5 22 11 22 12 67 Redlands
48 113.1 10 10 13 10 6 Otterbein
49 113.1 20 12 25 14 46 Mississippi College
50 113.0 17 9 19 11 66 Mount Union
51 113.0 17 8 19 14 88 Manhattanville
52 112.9 15 10 20 12 34 Ohio Wesleyan
53 112.9 20 7 21 10 133 Elizabethtown
54 112.9 21 4 23 7 213 Suffolk
55 112.7 15 5 26 7 145 Wilkes
56 112.7 10 8 14 8 23 St. Norbert
57 112.3 12 7 15 14 57 Manchester
58 112.2 15 15 21 19 8 Trinity, TX
59 112.0 25 8 27 9 166 Linfield
60 111.8 13 8 17 14 53 Coe
61 111.8 8 7 15 8 21 Washington and Jefferson
62 111.8 18 15 24 15 24 McMurry
63 111.5 13 8 20 10 63 Thiel
64 111.4 16 10 18 14 62 William Paterson
65 111.1 7 4 17 8 79 Rockford
66 111.1 16 13 19 17 30 Piedmont
67 110.9 19 14 27 16 41 Rhodes
68 110.6 24 11 25 12 123 Lynchburg
69 110.6 17 10 19 11 85 Rowan
70 110.2 10 14 18 21 3 Hendrix
71 110.2 15 9 19 13 90 DeSales
72 110.2 13 7 14 9 110 Amherst
73 110.0 15 6 19 9 163 Edgewood
74 110.0 20 11 23 12 105 Virginia Wesleyan
75 110.0 14 11 16 12 44 Keene State
76 109.8 20 5 25 12 224 Rochester
77 109.5 15 14 19 17 29 Denison
78 109.4 12 10 15 14 39 Wabash
79 109.1 18 6 19 7 202 Adrian
80 109.0 16 15 23 18 32 Emory
81 108.8 22 9 23 12 182 Western New England
82 108.8 13 7 14 15 125 Mary Washington
83 108.7 18 11 19 14 107 The College of New Jersey
84 108.7 10 7 16 15 81 Macalester
85 108.6 16 13 20 13 49 Montclair State
86 108.5 19 9 24 12 157 Ursinus
87 108.3 14 7 20 10 149 Luther
88 108.1 11 9 15 12 64 Transylvania
89 108.0 14 13 16 13 42 Baldwin-Wallace
90 107.8 15 12 22 14 70 Alvernia
91 107.7 14 14 19 14 36 Rutgers-Newark
92 107.7 14 5 15 8 214 Olivet
93 107.3 19 12 21 12 118 Kenyon
94 107.2 14 14 16 14 40 Wisconsin-Platteville
95 107.1 15 6 21 6 206 Beloit
96 107.1 12 10 19 12 75 Wartburg
97 107.1 16 7 22 12 195 Webster
98 106.8 11 13 16 14 28 Muskingum
99 106.8 15 9 17 12 140 St. John Fisher
100 106.7 14 11 22 12 94 Johns Hopkins
101 106.7 15 5 19 10 229 Delaware Valley
102 106.6 11 6 18 9 164 Plattsburgh State
103 106.6 10 19 13 24 4 Austin
104 106.1 19 8 21 10 211 Rhode Island College
105 105.9 14 13 20 17 71 Oglethorpe
106 105.9 13 7 17 7 181 Williams
107 105.5 17 15 17 18 91 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
108 105.3 17 10 22 11 172 Frostburg State
109 105.1 15 14 15 14 83 Allegheny
110 104.9 13 14 20 15 56 Huntingdon
111 104.6 13 12 14 15 96 Ferrum
112 104.1 12 11 12 11 101 Ripon
113 103.5 13 7 21 10 209 Worcester Tech - WPI ?
114 103.3 10 10 15 11 99 Wisconsin-Stout
115 103.1 11 5 12 8 232 Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
116 102.9 14 9 17 13 192 Haverford
117 102.8 15 6 19 9 241 MIT
118 102.8 15 9 17 14 204 Widener
119 102.8 9 14 12 20 31 Bluffton
120 102.8 13 11 17 11 137 Dallas
121 102.8 15 14 18 17 115 Randolph-Macon
122 102.7 17 16 17 16 114 Pacific, Oregon
123 102.5 10 12 11 17 74 Wittenberg
124 102.5 15 13 22 22 135 Simpson
125 102.0 15 13 18 14 144 Bowdoin
126 101.9 11 7 16 11 207 Bridgewater State
127 101.8 10 20 13 23 22 Cal State East Bay
128 101.7 12 10 14 10 161 Westfield State
129 101.5 10 10 17 15 121 Augsburg
130 101.5 14 17 14 23 92 Schreiner
131 101.3 9 13 12 18 54 Ohio Northern
132 101.3 13 9 17 10 200 Worcester State
For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Teams NOT reporting OR I missed them in the list ? If I missed, someone, let me know and I'll correct.
Central :
Augustana
Mid-Atlantic :
Penn State-Behrand
Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham
Mid-East :
Rose-Hulman
New England :
Wheaton
St. Joseph's Maine
New York :
Rensselear
Cortland St.
Old Westbury
Fredonia St.
South :
York
So are you going to tell us how many of the 54 regional ranked teams are in Billy Boyds rankings or am I going to have to scroll up and down looking for myself? I would take a guess of 30
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.
It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. :)
How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams? That is my question about Boyd's.
(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15. UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.) ;)
That is a huge discrepancy.
Should we just delete this topic ?
Quote from: Milby on April 23, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Should we just delete this topic ?
I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end". ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milby on April 23, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Should we just delete this topic ?
I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end". ;)
OK, I've put the Reg'l teams ranked in
"bold".
Let's not delete yet, I will
"bold" print the Reg'l teams in his list to the end and see where we end up, it'll be interesting and hopefully the NCAA data will be accurate at the end. Fair enough?
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
We can see how far away we are to having another "metric" of team performance.
Look at the teams from the "strong" conferences that are in the first 100!
OK, I think I have listed all of the reg'l ranked teams in "bold" now and the one's that I am missing at the bottom of that list ... I am not sure about St. Joeseph Maine ? Could they be #44 on Boyd's list ?
I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.
I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 23, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.
I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.
Hopefully the last 2 weeks of rankings, the NCAA data will be accurate, he pulls his data from there. How, I am not sure how he does it? BUT it'll be interesting to compare and chat about.
Each week, teams are being added, his entire list is up to
288 teams now.
Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.
Quote from: ppfan on April 23, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.
Boyd has the following disclaimer:
Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
I'm telling ya, there's no way the NCAA's actual numbers are off by as much as Boyd says they are. I don't know where Boyd gets his numbers, but it's not the real source that the NCAA committees have. Sure there are SIDs who might have an error here or there, but since the regional committees are meeting weekly now, they get the discrepencies fixed.
I think that's been my problem with Boyd's list all along. He's implying that if the numbers are wrong it's the SIDs fault. If that's true than the vast majority of SIDs are doing a horrible job reporting scores. That's just the opposite of reality.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.
It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. :)
How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams? That is my question about Boyd's.
(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15. UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.) ;)
That is a huge discrepancy.
On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.
Quote from: Milby on April 24, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.
It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13. :)
How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams? That is my question about Boyd's.
(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15. UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.) ;)
That is a huge discrepancy.
On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.
How will we find out? I may be missing something, but it's apples and oranges. Boyd's and the NCAA only overlap in that they list baseball teams. One's regional, the other is national. One uses correct in-region records, the other does not. One bases schedule strength on in-region games, the other does not. One doesn't seed nationally, the other seemingly does in order to be effective in whatever it does. And on and on. We have no way of knowing which of the top-ranked regional teams is considered the "best" overall. If Millsaps were to win the national championship tomorrow, how would Boyd's compare to the NCAA?
It's well and good to have another metric for the sake of discussion, but any comparative value seems like, at best, a misdirect to me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Nation [mailto:boyd.nation@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:39 AM
To: JEFF MILBURN
Subject: Re: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings
No problem at all. I'm aware that there's a good bit of error in the NCAA data that I'm pulling;
My hopes are that ...
1) it's still more useful than nothing was, and
2) that this will put some pressure on the teams, conferences, and the NCAA to improve the quality of the data.
--
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-----Original Message-----
From: JEFF MILBURN [mailto:coachmilburn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Boyd Nation'
Subject: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings
Boyd,
I know I should have asked you beforehand, for not doing so, I am sorry ... but I am trying to get your ISR rankings some creditability by comparing it to the D3 Regional Rankings.
Please review the discussion ... IF I should no longer reference a portion of your list, then I will stop. A lot of folks are questioning the errors in the records.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6386.0
Respectfully,
JEFF
Quote from: Milby on April 26, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Nation [mailto:boyd.nation@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:39 AM
To: JEFF MILBURN
Subject: Re: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings
No problem at all. I'm aware that there's a good bit of error in the NCAA data that I'm pulling;
My hopes are that ...
1) it's still more useful than nothing was, and
2) that this will put some pressure on the teams, conferences, and the NCAA to improve the quality of the data.
--
Boyd Nation
www.boydsworld.com
boyd.nation@mindspring.com
-----Original Message-----
From: JEFF MILBURN [mailto:coachmilburn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Boyd Nation'
Subject: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings
Boyd,
I know I should have asked you beforehand, for not doing so, I am sorry ... but I am trying to get your ISR rankings some creditability by comparing it to the D3 Regional Rankings.
Please review the discussion ... IF I should no longer reference a portion of your list, then I will stop. A lot of folks are questioning the errors in the records.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6386.0
Respectfully,
JEFF
The issue with Boyd's and every other index system is that the NCAA re-buffed a legislative effort in January 2009 for more transparent data.
They said the expense was more than they had budgetd and would take longer than expected.
One other thing for fans to consider is that the framework for all NCAA team sport championships is essentially the same in theory as voted on the members.
The NCAA has rolled out this system, and 10 years of refinements, to get us this far.
The fair thing about it is that the NCAA holds to
regional principles at D-III. It is futile to compare to D-1. You have to be the best to get out of your region.
A national tourney on regional principles? Yeah, go chat on the basketball message boards. ::)
At least in the baseball we have very good distribution of quality teams. You really cannot call one baseball region weaker than another as some (the "Chicagoland and 500 mile radius" crew ;) ) are prone to do in basketball.
As a member of SABR, I love the stats! However, I think that our current integration of data is too primitive at this time.
April 30th Reg'l rankings compared to Boyd's ISR rankings : 294 teams reporting
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings
Last updated: Fri May 1 08:55:37 2009
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 128.8 25 6 36 8 6 Millsaps
2 128.7 35 3 36 4 38 Pomona-Pitzer
3 127.7 31 7 34 9 10 Texas-Tyler
4 126.1 24 6 30 7 16 Heidelberg
5 123.7 17 5 25 10 20 Illinois Wesleyan
6 123.4 14 4 23 5 26 Carthage
7 121.9 18 10 22 11 3 Wisconsin-Whitewater
8 121.7 19 8 24 9 13 St. Thomas, Minnesota
9 121.4 14 6 20 10 14 St. Olaf
10 121.2 24 9 24 9 23 Wisconsin-Stevens Point
11 120.8 25 7 30 7 49 Wooster
12 120.7 28 3 33 4 143 Southern Maine
13 120.6 21 11 27 16 8 Texas-Dallas
14 120.2 25 7 33 8 58 Shenandoah
15 120.0 27 7 32 7 72 Kean
16 119.8 29 6 32 9 103 George Fox
17 119.8 17 5 24 8 57 John Carroll
18 119.7 19 9 22 11 17 Marietta
19 119.5 28 6 30 6 104 Eastern Connecticut State
20 119.3 28 4 34 6 145 Salisbury
21 119.2 25 4 25 5 134 Trinity, CT
22 119.1 30 8 32 8 81 Pacific Lutheran
23 118.9 23 11 30 12 18 Texas Lutheran
24 118.7 19 2 35 2 181 St. Scholastica
25 118.6 20 7 28 9 53 Franklin
26 118.2 21 6 25 7 86 Penn State-Erie
27 118.2 16 12 20 12 4 Wisconsin-Oshkosh
28 118.1 26 9 28 9 61 California Lutheran
29 117.7 23 6 27 7 109 Ithaca
30 117.5 19 12 24 13 11 Chapman
31 117.0 25 11 26 12 43 Methodist
32 116.9 19 9 23 10 35 Christopher Newport
33 116.8 21 8 22 11 67 Loras
34 116.1 14 14 22 21 1 Hendrix
35 115.9 18 11 22 17 22 Mary Hardin-Baylor
36 115.8 21 9 22 14 65 La Verne
37 115.7 26 14 27 19 32 North Carolina Wesleyan
38 115.7 20 11 25 18 30 Hardin-Simmons
39 114.9 23 12 28 14 45 Mississippi College
40 114.5 16 8 21 11 56 Mount St. Joseph
41 114.5 13 12 16 12 5 Otterbein
42 114.3 15 5 23 10 125 Aurora
43 114.2 19 8 23 15 94 Manhattanville
44 114.2 26 11 28 12 91 Birmingham-Southern
45 113.8 18 13 21 16 24 DePauw
46 113.8 18 8 28 9 89 Buena Vista
47 113.7 18 17 24 21 7 Trinity, TX
48 113.5 17 10 21 16 46 Coe
49 113.3 15 14 17 15 9 Wisconsin-La Crosse
50 113.1 26 11 28 12 111 Linfield
51 112.9 23 13 23 14 63 Redlands
52 112.8 22 4 26 8 214 Suffolk
53 112.8 17 9 23 12 75 Luther
54 112.7 19 17 26 17 15 McMurry
55 112.7 28 5 34 5 217 Keystone
56 112.6 28 5 30 6 219 Curry
57 112.6 22 6 23 7 185 Adrian
58 112.5 11 9 15 9 21 St. Norbert
59 112.2 20 13 24 13 48 Montclair State
60 112.1 17 12 22 14 36 Ohio Wesleyan
61 112.1 14 8 15 10 71 Amherst
62 111.7 14 9 25 10 55 Washington and Jefferson
63 111.3 19 11 22 15 79 William Paterson
64 111.2 22 8 23 11 164 Elizabethtown
65 110.4 18 12 20 13 70 Keene State
66 110.3 15 11 21 16 54 Wabash
67 110.2 16 14 19 20 29 Piedmont
68 110.1 17 9 25 10 118 Thomas More
69 109.9 22 13 26 14 99 Virginia Wesleyan
70 109.8 24 13 25 14 119 Lynchburg
71 109.7 21 9 26 12 162 Ursinus
72 109.6 15 10 19 18 82 Manchester
73 109.4 17 6 22 12 197 Delaware Valley
74 109.3 14 14 21 15 27 Muskingum
75 109.1 17 11 25 13 96 Johns Hopkins
76 109.1 18 10 25 12 124 Thiel
77 109.0 14 13 21 15 34 Wartburg
78 108.9 19 16 27 18 50 Rhodes
79 108.8 14 10 18 13 80 Transylvania
80 108.7 16 11 20 15 93 DeSales
81 108.7 20 14 20 14 88 Allegheny
82 108.7 11 19 14 24 2 Austin
83 108.5 14 8 15 16 127 Mary Washington
84 108.5 14 7 23 8 151 Williams
85 108.4 17 13 19 15 76 Mount Union
86 108.3 16 17 20 20 28 Denison
87 108.3 18 8 29 10 176 Wilkes
88 108.2 17 16 22 16 41 Rutgers-Newark
89 108.2 15 15 17 15 33 Wisconsin-Platteville
90 108.2 24 6 29 13 235 Rochester
91 107.6 19 10 25 12 160 Frostburg State
92 107.6 16 8 20 13 167 Edgewood
93 107.5 18 13 20 14 98 Rowan
94 107.4 15 15 17 17 42 Baldwin-Wallace
95 107.2 19 14 20 17 101 The College of New Jersey
96 107.1 16 13 25 15 83 Alvernia
97 107.0 7 5 19 9 112 Rockford
98 106.8 20 13 22 13 128 Kenyon
99 106.8 15 14 16 19 62 Wittenberg
100 106.8 17 18 24 21 40 Emory
101 106.6 24 11 25 14 199 Western New England
102 106.5 18 17 18 20 66 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
103 106.3 20 7 27 12 226 Webster
104 106.3 22 10 26 11 200 Worcester State
105 106.3 21 10 23 12 198 Rhode Island College
106 105.8 18 10 23 15 177 Bridgewater State
107 105.4 17 11 22 13 154 Washington and Lee
108 105.4 13 12 14 15 85 Ferrum
109 105.2 17 8 23 8 206 Beloit
110 105.2 15 13 19 13 100 Dallas
111 105.0 14 13 20 17 90 Oglethorpe
112 104.8 12 21 15 24 12 Cal State East Bay
113 104.7 20 17 21 17 114 Willamette
114 104.6 14 8 23 12 194 Worcester Tech
Teams NOT reporting :
Mid-Atlantic:
Penn State-Behrend 27-7, 25-6
Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham 19-11-1, 19-10-1
Mid-East:
Rose-Hulman 25-11, 17-7
New England:
Wheaton (Mass) 28-9, 25-8
New York:
Cortland Sate 25-12, 20-8
Rensselaer 27-8, 25-7
Fredonia State 25-7, 16-7
Old Westburg 24-11, 22-8
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.
Even this green-bleeding Titan fan would have to agree that IWU at #5 is ridiculous! 30-35 is probably more like it. If they don't win the CCIW AQ, I have
faint hopes of a pool C if they make the tourney final, but only faint hopes.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.
Even this green-bleeding Titan fan would have to agree that IWU at #5 is ridiculous! 30-35 is probably more like it. If they don't win the CCIW AQ, I have faint hopes of a pool C if they make the tourney final, but only faint hopes.
Ypsi- I agree... IWU dropping games to Wheaton really hurts their Pool C chances. The only weay I see the CCIW getting two teams is if:
A. Carthage loses the tourney, they are a Pool C lock... or
B. IWU gets hot and plays well, but loses in the CCIW final to Carthage, and only Carthage.
NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings
Last updated: Tue May 19 08:55:43 2009
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
5 123.7 29 11 37 13 8 St. Thomas, Minnesota
6 123.5 19 4 33 6 41 Carthage
9 121.5 28 7 37 8 52 Shenandoah
12 121.3 26 7 32 7 46 Wooster
14 119.9 26 4 28 6 126 Trinity, CT
16 119.7 29 8 35 8 67 Kean
24 117.5 20 13 25 14 11 Chapman
I went to the site and looked at the rankings. ALl the records for the teams are all messed up....
Hopkins is not 32-16, nor is their D3 record 23-14....i dunno where he is getting some of these numbers
Just for conversation, I think it's interesting to compare and see where teams finished up as of May 31, 2009.
I thing that I am most interested in is the "SOS" - strength of schedule, wonder how close that is?
NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings
Last updated: Sun May 31 08:57:06 2009
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 129.4 33 7 40 9 6 Heidelberg
2 127.1 39 6 40 7 29 Pomona-Pitzer
3 126.9 34 12 43 14 3 St. Thomas, Minnesota
4 125.9 24 7 40 9 13 Carthage
5 125.3 27 9 38 11 9 Millsaps
6 124.8 36 10 39 12 20 Texas-Tyler
7 124.2 37 11 43 11 19 Wooster
8 123.6 26 10 32 14 12 St. Olaf
9 123.0 26 16 32 20 1 Wisconsin-Whitewater
10 122.2 32 15 32 15 7 Wisconsin-Stevens Point
11 121.7 33 8 36 11 53 George Fox
12 121.0 38 8 41 8 80 Eastern Connecticut State
13 119.5 28 9 38 10 49 Shenandoah
14 119.4 17 7 28 16 25 Illinois Wesleyan
15 119.0 31 9 33 9 73 Pacific Lutheran
16 118.9 26 16 32 17 8 Chapman
17 118.8 28 16 33 18 14 Marietta
18 118.6 32 11 39 11 54 Kean
19 118.5 33 7 38 10 116 Southern Maine
20 118.5 20 16 24 16 2 Wisconsin-Oshkosh
21 118.0 35 6 38 9 143 Trinity, CT
22 117.9 30 11 32 11 56 California Lutheran
23 117.9 31 6 39 8 131 Salisbury
24 117.8 23 8 33 12 67 Franklin
25 117.5 22 13 28 18 18 Texas-Dallas
26 116.7 18 9 25 12 31 John Carroll
27 116.2 26 8 32 10 104 Ithaca
28 115.9 19 16 22 18 5 Otterbein
29 115.7 23 13 30 14 30 Texas Lutheran
30 115.6 19 15 22 16 10 Wisconsin-La Crosse
31 115.4 22 11 23 16 42 La Verne
32 115.1 21 5 30 14 154 Aurora
33 114.9 26 12 27 13 65 Methodist
34 114.3 22 10 25 14 76 Loras
35 114.3 25 7 45 7 144 St. Scholastica
36 114.2 17 9 26 14 52 Mount St. Joseph
37 113.9 34 6 41 6 201 Keystone
38 113.7 23 11 29 14 77 Luther
39 113.6 21 12 25 13 44 Christopher Newport
40 113.6 26 11 28 12 97 Birmingham-Southern
41 113.6 25 14 30 16 51 Mississippi College
42 113.5 26 15 27 21 43 North Carolina Wesleyan
43 113.5 18 11 22 17 39 Mary Hardin-Baylor
44 113.5 26 11 28 12 98 Linfield
45 113.5 21 13 26 19 38 Coe
46 113.3 20 11 25 18 59 Hardin-Simmons
47 113.0 27 11 32 13 115 Penn State-Erie
48 112.7 14 16 22 23 4 Hendrix
49 112.6 21 9 26 17 113 Manhattanville
50 112.6 26 14 38 15 74 Washington and Jefferson
51 112.4 23 14 32 17 55 Johns Hopkins
52 112.4 25 14 25 15 71 Redlands
53 112.0 19 14 24 16 33 Ohio Wesleyan
54 111.7 19 19 21 19 16 Wisconsin-Platteville
55 111.5 31 11 33 12 157 Adrian
56 111.4 26 16 27 19 69 The College of New Jersey
57 111.4 17 14 24 19 26 Wabash
58 111.4 20 17 28 21 23 Wartburg
59 111.3 27 11 29 15 134 Elizabethtown
60 111.2 22 14 26 15 66 Keene State
61 111.1 19 16 22 19 27 DePauw
62 111.1 18 17 24 21 21 Trinity, TX
63 111.1 19 17 23 20 22 Denison
64 111.0 21 13 24 17 75 William Paterson
65 110.9 32 7 34 8 216 Curry
66 110.7 25 7 29 11 197 Suffolk
67 110.7 19 17 26 17 24 McMurry
68 110.0 20 13 30 14 78 Buena Vista
69 109.8 18 11 23 19 90 Manchester
70 109.7 16 15 23 16 28 Muskingum
71 109.6 17 15 20 21 35 Piedmont
72 109.1 22 10 28 14 152 Ursinus
73 109.1 23 19 28 19 48 Montclair State
74 109.0 18 15 23 15 47 St. Norbert
75 108.6 16 8 29 14 142 Rockford
76 108.6 22 10 29 10 162 Beloit
77 108.5 26 7 32 18 227 Rochester
78 108.4 22 13 26 14 120 Virginia Wesleyan
79 108.4 22 16 31 18 82 Thiel
80 108.3 19 16 27 18 58 Rhodes
81 108.2 17 11 21 16 106 DeSales
82 108.2 17 16 18 21 40 Wittenberg
83 108.2 15 11 16 13 85 Amherst
84 108.1 13 8 21 13 118 Chicago
85 108.0 22 10 31 14 171 Worcester Tech
86 108.0 18 15 20 18 63 Mount Union
87 108.0 24 13 25 14 138 Lynchburg
88 107.8 19 11 28 13 130 Williams
89 107.8 29 13 30 18 177 Western New England
90 107.6 19 15 28 17 79 Alvernia
91 107.3 14 8 15 17 140 Mary Washington
92 107.2 17 11 29 12 122 Thomas More
93 107.2 19 17 25 17 62 Rutgers-Newark
94 106.8 13 12 26 15 61 Huntingdon
95 106.8 16 15 19 19 60 Baldwin-Wallace
96 106.7 22 16 22 16 111 Allegheny
97 106.6 17 7 23 13 202 Delaware Valley
98 106.5 19 15 21 16 93 Rowan
99 106.5 18 10 22 17 160 Edgewood
100 106.2 27 14 31 15 175 Worcester State
101 105.9 17 18 25 21 50 Emory
102 105.9 11 19 15 24 11 Austin
103 105.8 22 8 28 16 226 Webster
104 105.7 15 13 19 16 89 Transylvania
105 105.7 19 19 19 22 64 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
106 105.6 22 19 24 19 91 Kenyon
107 105.2 14 18 19 19 32 Wisconsin-Stout
108 105.1 20 17 21 17 102 Willamette
109 105.1 22 12 24 15 186 Rhode Island College
110 104.7 12 21 16 24 17 Cal State East Bay
111 104.6 19 12 24 17 166 Bridgewater State
112 104.5 14 15 23 19 70 Hamline
113 104.4 19 11 31 13 185 Wilkes
114 104.3 16 15 20 15 96 Dallas
115 104.2 14 14 20 16 86 Ripon
116 103.8 14 13 20 17 105 Oglethorpe
117 103.7 21 14 25 16 172 Bowdoin
118 103.6 13 12 15 15 114 Ferrum
119 103.6 20 12 22 17 191 Widener
120 103.5 11 11 21 17 94 Augsburg
121 103.5 23 16 23 18 164 Calvin
122 103.5 19 11 25 14 195 MIT
123 103.4 10 20 16 28 15 Wisconsin-Superior
124 103.0 21 14 24 18 180 St. John Fisher
125 102.9 17 13 22 15 156 Washington and Lee
126 102.6 21 14 27 16 188 Frostburg State
127 102.5 12 19 17 22 34 Gustavus Adolphus
128 102.5 19 11 20 15 208 Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
129 102.2 17 20 24 29 87 Simpson
130 102.1 12 19 15 25 36 Bluffton
131 102.0 25 12 37 14 237 Husson
132 102.0 19 17 23 18 137 Westfield State
133 101.7 17 17 20 19 125 Tufts
134 101.6 17 20 19 20 92 Pacific, Oregon
135 101.3 18 10 35 11 224 Bethany Lutheran
136 101.1 12 19 15 24 45 Ohio Northern
137 100.9 33 17 37 19 239 Penn State-Altoona
138 100.4 16 20 21 20 101 Ramapo
139 99.9 9 17 17 21 37 Menlo
140 99.8 13 12 16 16 168 McDaniel
141 99.7 13 22 18 24 57 Greensboro
142 99.7 17 11 22 23 221 Clarkson
143 99.7 14 17 14 23 119 Schreiner
144 99.6 18 20 19 22 132 Massachusetts-Boston
145 99.5 16 23 17 24 88 Puget Sound
146 99.5 10 13 18 21 109 Macalester
147 99.2 15 17 19 20 133 Randolph-Macon
148 99.2 17 13 24 21 207 Catholic
149 99.2 17 17 24 24 161 Brockport
150 99.2 14 13 17 18 176 Haverford
151 99.0 15 16 19 18 150 Albright
152 98.7 19 13 24 16 228 Susquehanna
153 98.5 8 13 15 23 83 Elmhurst
154 98.4 13 10 25 18 213 Plattsburgh State
155 98.3 13 15 16 22 146 Muhlenberg
156 98.2 8 9 16 13 155 Geneva
157 98.2 20 18 21 21 193 Roger Williams
158 98.2 9 12 12 21 124 Millikin
159 98.1 17 18 20 19 170 Hampden-Sydney
160 98.0 19 17 20 20 199 Hope
161 97.8 15 15 19 19 184 Guilford
162 97.5 12 26 13 29 46 Whittier
163 97.3 14 18 15 21 141 Messiah
164 97.3 11 13 15 16 159 Middlebury
165 96.9 14 13 23 22 206 Mount Aloysius
166 96.8 17 16 30 22 205 Wesley
167 96.8 10 17 12 24 100 Centre
168 96.8 9 15 11 25 103 Hanover
169 96.7 16 8 27 14 264 Grinnell
170 96.6 18 15 27 21 222 Skidmore
171 96.5 14 17 23 23 167 Stevens Tech
172 96.5 18 17 19 21 210 Olivet
173 96.4 10 21 15 24 72 LeTourneau
174 96.3 13 14 20 21 192 Gettysburg
175 96.2 15 14 23 15 212 Gwynedd-Mercy
176 95.9 8 15 20 23 95 North Park
177 95.7 14 18 23 20 169 Babson
178 95.5 11 20 18 24 108 East Texas Baptist
179 95.5 15 20 18 27 163 Brandeis
180 95.4 5 14 16 20 41 Louisiana College
181 94.8 15 21 16 24 165 Occidental
182 94.7 15 19 19 22 187 Rochester Tech
183 94.7 13 17 16 17 179 Richard Stockton
184 94.6 13 21 17 25 139 Oberlin
185 94.6 15 20 20 22 178 Pittsburgh-Greensburg
186 94.4 18 20 24 21 211 Neumann
187 94.2 19 20 20 22 215 Endicott
188 94.1 11 15 19 20 183 Grove City
189 94.0 19 19 22 20 229 Fitchburg State
190 94.0 11 19 18 21 136 Waynesburg
191 93.9 12 23 14 25 123 Averett
192 93.8 19 13 31 16 260 Castleton State
193 93.5 12 12 18 18 232 St. Lawrence
194 93.2 18 20 19 22 217 Lebanon Valley
195 93.1 11 23 19 26 121 Stevenson
196 93.0 4 8 4 12 129 Spalding
197 92.7 11 20 21 21 149 Carleton
198 92.7 8 25 12 33 68 Case Western Reserve
199 92.6 9 25 10 26 84 Capital
200 92.5 15 15 22 20 241 Moravian
For remainder of the list :
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
TEAMS AT D3 Championship
Univ. of St. Thomas 5 wins RANKED 3
The College of Wooster 4 wins RANKED 7
Carthage 2 wins RANKED 4
Chapman 2 wins RANKED 16
Kean 1 win RANKED 18
Shenandoah 1 win RANKED 13
Farmingdale 0 wins RANKED ?
Trinity College 0 wins RANKED 21
Interesting where teams from top 10 rankings finished
Just wanted to point out -
Rankings for Strength of Schedule for final 8
Univ of St Thomas - was RANKED 3rd in SOS
Wooster - was RANKED 19th in SOS
Carthage - was RANKED 13th in SOS
Chapman - was RANKED 8th in SOS
Kean - was RANKED 54th in SOS
Shenandoah - was RANKED 49th in SOS
Farmingdale -
Trinity CT - was RANKED 143rd in SOS
OM
SOS can really impact how many wins & losses a team has each year
Example is
Keystone 41-6 but SOS was 201
Hendrix 22-23 and SOS was 4
This year the one with highest ranked SOS in the final 8 St Thomas won the National Championship.
THANKS OM....
Current Top 100 Rankings on Boyd's World: (looks great for Southern California with #1, 2 and 3).
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 134.2 20 4 22 7 4 Chapman
2 131.3 24 6 24 8 7 Pomona-Pitzer
3 129.0 24 6 24 6 13 Redlands
4 128.0 25 5 25 5 29 Heidelberg
5 127.9 32 3 33 3 142 Johns Hopkins
6 127.5 26 4 30 4 73 Birmingham-Southern
7 127.3 23 7 25 10 15 Linfield
8 126.4 23 5 23 5 52 Marietta
9 124.8 24 3 24 3 153 Wisconsin-Whitewater
10 123.9 23 7 28 7 51 Pacific Lutheran
11 123.7 20 3 21 5 162 Mississippi College
12 123.0 17 4 19 4 70 Tufts
13 122.3 32 7 33 7 118 Shenandoah
14 121.5 30 7 30 7 138 Trinity, TX
15 121.5 21 5 21 5 125 Washington and Jefferson
16 121.1 20 13 20 15 5 La Verne
17 121.1 26 7 26 7 122 Wooster
18 120.7 19 8 19 8 31 Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19 120.4 17 8 20 9 23 Franklin
20 120.1 21 12 22 12 10 California Lutheran
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
21 120.0 28 10 30 10 66 Texas-Tyler
22 119.8 24 9 24 9 68 Rose-Hulman
23 119.6 21 10 23 14 28 George Fox
24 119.2 24 10 24 13 58 Millsaps
25 118.8 12 3 12 4 151 St. Thomas, Minnesota
26 118.7 24 10 24 10 60 Methodist
27 118.6 22 3 22 3 254 Rochester
28 118.5 16 10 17 11 12 Manchester
29 118.4 20 7 20 7 115 Wheaton, Massachusetts
30 117.9 16 6 16 8 94 Buena Vista
31 117.7 23 5 23 5 215 North Central, IL
32 117.5 22 5 22 7 204 Westfield State
33 117.3 18 9 18 11 55 Anderson, IN
34 117.0 17 6 20 6 149 Adrian
35 116.5 23 8 23 8 144 Allegheny
36 116.5 22 12 23 13 42 Huntingdon
37 116.3 27 11 28 11 116 Texas Lutheran
38 116.3 12 5 12 5 130 Trinity, CT
39 116.2 21 7 23 7 182 Eastern Connecticut State
40 116.0 16 6 16 8 89 John Carroll
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
41 116.0 22 12 22 12 45 Maryville, TN
42 115.1 24 17 24 17 22 DePauw
43 115.0 20 6 20 6 208 Cortland
44 115.0 16 15 16 17 6 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
45 114.9 21 3 23 3 299 St. Scholastica
46 114.9 23 9 23 9 158 Kean
47 114.7 25 8 25 8 201 Western New England
48 114.6 12 7 15 9 49 Ohio Northern
49 114.4 23 10 23 10 133 Hampden-Sydney
50 114.4 22 4 22 4 271 Fairleigh Dickinson-Madison
51 114.3 18 11 18 11 33 Rowan
52 114.2 18 12 20 13 30 Transylvania
53 113.9 19 9 20 10 112 Bowdoin
54 113.7 24 9 24 9 186 Mary Washington
55 113.7 14 6 17 8 147 Bates
56 113.6 20 5 21 5 252 Worcester State
57 113.6 16 11 16 11 46 Carthage
58 113.6 23 16 23 17 39 Christopher Newport
59 113.6 18 7 19 7 187 Concordia, IL
60 113.1 9 4 10 4 146 Macalester
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
61 113.0 23 8 24 8 203 Salisbury
62 112.8 21 13 22 14 65 Texas-Dallas
63 112.8 19 16 21 16 17 Rhodes
64 112.7 21 7 22 7 217 Alvernia
65 112.7 17 8 17 9 145 Widener
66 112.3 22 10 22 10 169 Curry
67 112.2 20 14 21 19 36 McMurry
68 112.2 17 11 18 12 62 Keene State
69 112.2 21 15 21 19 53 Hardin-Simmons
70 112.0 20 9 20 9 193 Thomas More
71 111.9 19 17 21 17 16 La Grange
72 111.8 9 3 9 3 245 Bethany Lutheran
73 111.8 20 16 20 16 34 Piedmont
74 111.8 17 13 17 13 38 Montclair State
75 111.6 18 6 18 6 221 Plattsburgh State
76 111.5 20 16 22 17 41 Mary Hardin-Baylor
77 111.4 16 10 17 10 103 Wheaton, Illinois
78 111.4 15 7 15 7 174 Oneonta
79 111.3 18 13 18 13 64 Menlo
80 111.0 15 5 16 6 243 Hope
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
81 111.0 21 12 21 12 143 York, PA
82 111.0 18 3 18 4 319 Webster
83 110.7 21 8 22 9 216 North Park
84 110.4 13 14 17 18 11 Puget Sound
85 110.1 18 18 19 19 24 Emory
86 110.0 15 10 15 10 99 Augustana, IL
87 109.8 19 13 21 13 93 Ferrum
88 109.7 19 14 19 15 81 Case Western Reserve
89 109.6 23 17 23 17 87 Bridgewater, VA
90 109.4 21 16 25 17 79 Averett
91 109.4 15 7 15 7 231 DeSales
92 109.3 12 7 12 8 157 St. Norbert
93 109.3 17 8 17 8 195 Worcester Tech
94 109.1 15 9 15 12 150 Otterbein
95 108.9 17 18 17 19 19 North Carolina Wesleyan
96 108.9 17 11 17 11 141 Massachusetts-Boston
97 108.7 16 6 18 6 255 Skidmore
98 108.7 14 21 14 21 3 Occidental
99 108.7 23 16 23 16 126 Lynchburg
100 108.6 17 8 17 8 242 Rockford
For Boyd's Top Twenty, I've inserted in parentheses the D3 SoS ranking from the Presto Sports data.
SoS
1 134.2 20 4 22 7 4 (14) Chapman
2 131.3 24 6 24 8 7 (174) Pomona-Pitzer
3 129.0 24 6 24 6 13 (175) Redlands
4 128.0 25 5 25 5 29 (33) Heidelberg
5 127.9 32 3 33 3 142 (102) Johns Hopkins
6 127.5 26 4 30 4 73 (108) Birmingham-Southern
7 127.3 23 7 25 10 15 (196) Linfield
8 126.4 23 5 23 5 52 (16) Marietta
9 124.8 24 3 24 3 153 (141) Wisconsin-Whitewater
10 123.9 23 7 28 7 51(285) Pacific Lutheran
11 123.7 20 3 21 5 162 (276) Mississippi College
12 123.0 17 4 19 4 70 (1) Tufts
13 122.3 32 7 33 7 118 (103) Shenandoah
14 121.5 30 7 30 7 138 (271) Trinity, TX
15 121.5 21 5 21 5 125 (67) Washington and Jefferson
16 121.1 20 13 20 15 5 (120) La Verne
17 121.1 26 7 26 7 122 (142) Wooster
18 120.7 19 8 19 8 31 (24) Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19 120.4 17 8 20 9 23 (98) Franklin
20 120.1 21 12 22 12 10 (216) California Lutheran
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.
I think it's that using ranking is a little misleading. For exampe, in the D3 system, the difference between #74 DeSales (.535) and #174 Pomona-Pitzer (.507) is less than 3 percent, and, as Ralph reminds us, the D3 system has a self-mitigating effect on teams in the west with limited choices of opponents. I just found it curious.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.
However he did it balanced out the West Region teams and some of the other region's SOS. The current system of calculating SOS is always going to give a large advantage to areas of the country with plenty of DIII schools. I wonder if the committee takes that into account regarding the West Region when they make pool c picks.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
Current Top 100 Rankings on Boyd's World: (looks great for Southern California with #1, 2 and 3).
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 134.2 20 4 22 7 4 Chapman
2 131.3 24 6 24 8 7 Pomona-Pitzer
3 129.0 24 6 24 6 13 Redlands
4 128.0 25 5 25 5 29 Heidelberg
5 127.9 32 3 33 3 142 Johns Hopkins
6 127.5 26 4 30 4 73 Birmingham-Southern
7 127.3 23 7 25 10 15 Linfield
8 126.4 23 5 23 5 52 Marietta
9 124.8 24 3 24 3 153 Wisconsin-Whitewater
10 123.9 23 7 28 7 51 Pacific Lutheran
11 123.7 20 3 21 5 162 Mississippi College
12 123.0 17 4 19 4 70 Tufts
13 122.3 32 7 33 7 118 Shenandoah
14 121.5 30 7 30 7 138 Trinity, TX
15 121.5 21 5 21 5 125 Washington and Jefferson
16 121.1 20 13 20 15 5 La Verne
17 121.1 26 7 26 7 122 Wooster
18 120.7 19 8 19 8 31 Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19 120.4 17 8 20 9 23 Franklin
20 120.1 21 12 22 12 10 California Lutheran
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
21 120.0 28 10 30 10 66 Texas-Tyler
22 119.8 24 9 24 9 68 Rose-Hulman
23 119.6 21 10 23 14 28 George Fox
24 119.2 24 10 24 13 58 Millsaps
25 118.8 12 3 12 4 151 St. Thomas, Minnesota
26 118.7 24 10 24 10 60 Methodist
27 118.6 22 3 22 3 254 Rochester
28 118.5 16 10 17 11 12 Manchester
29 118.4 20 7 20 7 115 Wheaton, Massachusetts
30 117.9 16 6 16 8 94 Buena Vista
31 117.7 23 5 23 5 215 North Central, IL
32 117.5 22 5 22 7 204 Westfield State
33 117.3 18 9 18 11 55 Anderson, IN
34 117.0 17 6 20 6 149 Adrian
35 116.5 23 8 23 8 144 Allegheny
36 116.5 22 12 23 13 42 Huntingdon
37 116.3 27 11 28 11 116 Texas Lutheran
38 116.3 12 5 12 5 130 Trinity, CT
39 116.2 21 7 23 7 182 Eastern Connecticut State
40 116.0 16 6 16 8 89 John Carroll
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
41 116.0 22 12 22 12 45 Maryville, TN
42 115.1 24 17 24 17 22 DePauw
43 115.0 20 6 20 6 208 Cortland
44 115.0 16 15 16 17 6 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
45 114.9 21 3 23 3 299 St. Scholastica
46 114.9 23 9 23 9 158 Kean
47 114.7 25 8 25 8 201 Western New England
48 114.6 12 7 15 9 49 Ohio Northern
49 114.4 23 10 23 10 133 Hampden-Sydney
50 114.4 22 4 22 4 271 Fairleigh Dickinson-Madison
51 114.3 18 11 18 11 33 Rowan
52 114.2 18 12 20 13 30 Transylvania
53 113.9 19 9 20 10 112 Bowdoin
54 113.7 24 9 24 9 186 Mary Washington
55 113.7 14 6 17 8 147 Bates
56 113.6 20 5 21 5 252 Worcester State
57 113.6 16 11 16 11 46 Carthage
58 113.6 23 16 23 17 39 Christopher Newport
59 113.6 18 7 19 7 187 Concordia, IL
60 113.1 9 4 10 4 146 Macalester
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
61 113.0 23 8 24 8 203 Salisbury
62 112.8 21 13 22 14 65 Texas-Dallas
63 112.8 19 16 21 16 17 Rhodes
64 112.7 21 7 22 7 217 Alvernia
65 112.7 17 8 17 9 145 Widener
66 112.3 22 10 22 10 169 Curry
67 112.2 20 14 21 19 36 McMurry
68 112.2 17 11 18 12 62 Keene State
69 112.2 21 15 21 19 53 Hardin-Simmons
70 112.0 20 9 20 9 193 Thomas More
71 111.9 19 17 21 17 16 La Grange
72 111.8 9 3 9 3 245 Bethany Lutheran
73 111.8 20 16 20 16 34 Piedmont
74 111.8 17 13 17 13 38 Montclair State
75 111.6 18 6 18 6 221 Plattsburgh State
76 111.5 20 16 22 17 41 Mary Hardin-Baylor
77 111.4 16 10 17 10 103 Wheaton, Illinois
78 111.4 15 7 15 7 174 Oneonta
79 111.3 18 13 18 13 64 Menlo
80 111.0 15 5 16 6 243 Hope
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
81 111.0 21 12 21 12 143 York, PA
82 111.0 18 3 18 4 319 Webster
83 110.7 21 8 22 9 216 North Park
84 110.4 13 14 17 18 11 Puget Sound
85 110.1 18 18 19 19 24 Emory
86 110.0 15 10 15 10 99 Augustana, IL
87 109.8 19 13 21 13 93 Ferrum
88 109.7 19 14 19 15 81 Case Western Reserve
89 109.6 23 17 23 17 87 Bridgewater, VA
90 109.4 21 16 25 17 79 Averett
91 109.4 15 7 15 7 231 DeSales
92 109.3 12 7 12 8 157 St. Norbert
93 109.3 17 8 17 8 195 Worcester Tech
94 109.1 15 9 15 12 150 Otterbein
95 108.9 17 18 17 19 19 North Carolina Wesleyan
96 108.9 17 11 17 11 141 Massachusetts-Boston
97 108.7 16 6 18 6 255 Skidmore
98 108.7 14 21 14 21 3 Occidental
99 108.7 23 16 23 16 126 Lynchburg
100 108.6 17 8 17 8 242 Rockford
Look at where the ASC is located in the tables.
Seven schools in the top 76.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.
Not really. One uses regional games, the other uses all games. (Or at least all D-III games. Not sure how Boyd works.)
I really believe that Boyd's is a fair representation of the strength of the ASC.
Mississippi College should be solidly in the Top 25.
UT-Tyler is just on the edge.
Texas Lutheran is just on the edge of a Top 25 Receiving Votes; I honestly believe that there are 36 teams better than TLU. It may seen in the playoffs, if TLU goes "2 and BBQ" in a bracket that has the #1, #2, #3, #7, #10, and #14 teams in Boyd's statistical table.
The brutal aspect of the ASC West schedule is that #67, #69 and #76 are in a three-way tie for the West behind #37 TLU.
If these numbers are anywhere accurate it points out the strength of schedule by teams in CA, TX and the Northwest....BUT because so few teams in the West Region(39) most years they get 6 not 7/8 teams into a regional.
Maybe teams in East Texas go to South Regional and West Texas to West Regional
to provide more Texas teams a chance to make it to Appleton. BUT never happen with the NCAA.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
If these numbers are anywhere accurate it points out the strength of schedule by teams in CA, TX and the Northwest....BUT because so few teams in the West Region(39) most years they get 6 not 7/8 teams into a regional.
Maybe teams in East Texas go to South Regional and West Texas to West Regional
to provide more Texas teams a chance to make it to Appleton. BUT never happen with the NCAA.
The committee will send people where they need to send them. Splitting Conference members, especially where a plane flight is involved, makes sense. It is cheaper to fly a team north out of the ASC, than the expensive flight to the West Coast.
What does that mean for a Trinity; either a 5-hour (including a plane change) flight to Portland or a 2 hour non-stop north to Chicago?
Quote from: ILVBB on April 29, 2010, 02:08:30 AM
What does that mean for a Trinity; either a 5-hour (including a plane change) flight to Portland or a 2 hour non-stop north to Chicago?
Actually a 150 mile bus trip to Augustana from Chicago after the 2 hour 40 minute flight.
5+ hour flight and a one hour bus ride.
Macht nichts!
The newest D-III ISRs.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed.
Score data is taken from the official NCAA site (linked here, although the last time I checked they haven't turned on this interface yet for 2010), which means that there are quite a few errors in here. This year I'm experimenting with a rule that a game must be listed for both teams in order to be counted. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
The top 100
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 134.0 14 2 16 5 20 Linfield
2 133.0 12 2 14 3 16 George Fox
3 129.6 22 2 23 2 56 Texas-Tyler
4 129.0 12 2 12 2 36 Marietta
5 127.6 13 2 16 2 52 Birmingham-Southern
6 127.6 9 2 9 2 32 Concordia, IL
7 126.6 9 2 9 2 30 St. Olaf
8 125.6 15 8 15 10 6 La Verne
9 125.3 9 2 9 2 48 Coe
10 125.3 10 2 11 2 53 The College of New Jersey
11 125.2 14 5 14 5 24 Chapman
12 125.0 18 6 21 6 28 Trinity, TX
13 124.6 15 1 15 1 104 Shenandoah
14 123.7 16 6 20 6 26 Hardin-Simmons
15 122.5 18 5 18 6 54 Redlands
16 122.3 10 3 10 3 50 Heidelberg
17 121.8 8 3 8 3 34 Carthage
18 121.6 19 7 19 7 39 Millsaps
19 121.5 24 2 24 2 127 Christopher Newport
20 121.3 6 4 11 5 7 Pacific, Oregon
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
21 121.3 8 3 8 4 41 Johns Hopkins
22 121.0 14 7 15 8 22 California Lutheran
23 120.9 9 1 9 1 119 Thomas More
24 120.7 10 3 10 3 57 Kean
25 120.5 6 4 7 5 8 DeSales
26 119.4 9 4 9 5 43 Simpson
27 119.3 7 3 7 3 37 Webster
28 118.9 11 0 11 0 175 Alvernia
29 118.7 14 6 14 6 47 Pomona-Pitzer
30 118.5 14 9 16 10 15 Texas-Dallas
31 118.3 10 2 10 2 109 Augustana, IL
32 117.9 8 2 8 2 93 North Park
33 117.5 6 8 8 8 1 Pacific Lutheran
34 116.9 15 9 16 11 27 Texas Lutheran
35 115.7 14 9 14 11 33 Concordia-Austin
36 115.7 8 2 8 2 108 Babson
37 115.3 8 5 16 8 35 Louisiana College
38 115.1 9 5 18 6 44 Dallas
39 114.9 7 3 7 3 70 Brockport
40 114.2 9 3 10 3 100 Neumann
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
41 113.5 11 2 12 2 143 Central College, IA
42 113.3 14 9 14 11 49 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
43 113.1 9 1 9 1 167 Westminster, PA
44 112.8 9 4 9 4 87 Western New England
45 112.6 7 4 7 4 63 Rowan
46 112.1 14 6 14 6 89 Maryville, TN
47 111.6 6 10 9 11 2 Willamette
48 111.2 11 6 11 6 74 Huntingdon
49 111.2 17 9 17 9 77 Emory
50 111.1 7 5 7 5 58 Cortland
51 111.1 8 12 11 13 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor
52 110.9 15 8 15 8 88 Methodist
53 110.7 7 9 7 9 18 Mississippi College
54 110.4 8 10 11 11 14 Hendrix
55 110.3 12 9 12 9 51 Piedmont
56 110.2 9 4 9 4 106 Thiel
57 110.0 9 9 9 9 31 Wooster
58 109.7 12 8 12 8 67 Bridgewater, VA
59 109.4 11 3 11 3 157 Franklin
60 109.1 10 4 10 4 134 Haverford
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
61 108.4 10 4 10 4 133 Rose-Hulman
62 108.2 8 7 8 8 59 Puget Sound
63 108.2 9 12 11 13 19 Sul Ross State
64 108.2 9 12 13 12 17 Southwestern, TX
65 108.1 8 9 10 14 29 Whitworth
66 107.8 14 7 14 7 113 Case Western Reserve
67 107.6 12 10 12 10 55 Rhodes
68 107.6 6 4 6 4 86 Bethel, MN
69 107.2 10 13 11 14 23 Whittier
70 107.1 6 11 6 11 9 Wartburg
71 106.7 7 4 9 5 101 Manchester
72 106.2 10 6 10 7 103 Wittenberg
73 106.0 12 10 14 11 72 LeTourneau
74 105.6 12 10 12 10 73 La Grange
75 105.4 10 5 10 7 138 Frostburg State
76 104.8 11 7 12 7 123 Salisbury
77 104.7 11 5 11 5 159 Widener
78 104.4 9 5 9 5 130 Transylvania
79 104.3 6 12 8 13 10 Howard Payne
80 103.7 8 5 8 5 121 Clark, MA
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
81 103.5 13 5 13 5 168 Mary Washington
82 103.3 8 4 8 4 142 U.S. Coast Guard Academy
83 103.0 11 8 11 8 107 Oglethorpe
84 102.8 7 4 7 4 140 Spalding
85 102.8 11 4 11 4 180 Moravian
86 102.7 11 4 11 4 177 Penn State-Altoona
87 102.0 5 5 5 6 81 Allegheny
88 101.8 10 7 10 10 135 Washington and Lee
89 101.5 9 8 9 8 96 Denison
90 101.5 8 8 8 8 76 St. Mary's, MD
91 101.5 5 6 5 6 62 Augsburg
92 101.4 6 4 6 4 122 Wentworth Tech
93 101.2 12 6 13 6 169 Wesley
94 101.2 11 2 11 2 193 Richard Stockton
95 101.1 9 10 9 10 78 Ohio Wesleyan
96 101.0 7 7 7 7 79 Farmingdale State
97 100.8 7 7 7 7 94 Bluffton
98 100.7 6 16 6 18 12 Schreiner
99 100.6 7 12 7 13 42 Wabash
100 100.3 12 12 12 12 98 Randolph-Macon
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
The newest D-III ISRs.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed.
Score data is taken from the official NCAA site (linked here, although the last time I checked they haven't turned on this interface yet for 2010), which means that there are quite a few errors in here. This year I'm experimenting with a rule that a game must be listed for both teams in order to be counted. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
The top 100
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
1 134.0 14 2 16 5 20 Linfield
2 133.0 12 2 14 3 16 George Fox
3 129.6 22 2 23 2 56 Texas-Tyler
4 129.0 12 2 12 2 36 Marietta
5 127.6 13 2 16 2 52 Birmingham-Southern
6 127.6 9 2 9 2 32 Concordia, IL
7 126.6 9 2 9 2 30 St. Olaf
8 125.6 15 8 15 10 6 La Verne
9 125.3 9 2 9 2 48 Coe
10 125.3 10 2 11 2 53 The College of New Jersey
11 125.2 14 5 14 5 24 Chapman
12 125.0 18 6 21 6 28 Trinity, TX
13 124.6 15 1 15 1 104 Shenandoah
14 123.7 16 6 20 6 26 Hardin-Simmons
15 122.5 18 5 18 6 54 Redlands
16 122.3 10 3 10 3 50 Heidelberg
17 121.8 8 3 8 3 34 Carthage
18 121.6 19 7 19 7 39 Millsaps
19 121.5 24 2 24 2 127 Christopher Newport
20 121.3 6 4 11 5 7 Pacific, Oregon
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
21 121.3 8 3 8 4 41 Johns Hopkins
22 121.0 14 7 15 8 22 California Lutheran
23 120.9 9 1 9 1 119 Thomas More
24 120.7 10 3 10 3 57 Kean
25 120.5 6 4 7 5 8 DeSales
26 119.4 9 4 9 5 43 Simpson
27 119.3 7 3 7 3 37 Webster
28 118.9 11 0 11 0 175 Alvernia
29 118.7 14 6 14 6 47 Pomona-Pitzer
30 118.5 14 9 16 10 15 Texas-Dallas
31 118.3 10 2 10 2 109 Augustana, IL
32 117.9 8 2 8 2 93 North Park
33 117.5 6 8 8 8 1 Pacific Lutheran
34 116.9 15 9 16 11 27 Texas Lutheran
35 115.7 14 9 14 11 33 Concordia-Austin
36 115.7 8 2 8 2 108 Babson
37 115.3 8 5 16 8 35 Louisiana College
38 115.1 9 5 18 6 44 Dallas
39 114.9 7 3 7 3 70 Brockport
40 114.2 9 3 10 3 100 Neumann
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
41 113.5 11 2 12 2 143 Central College, IA
42 113.3 14 9 14 11 49 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
43 113.1 9 1 9 1 167 Westminster, PA
44 112.8 9 4 9 4 87 Western New England
45 112.6 7 4 7 4 63 Rowan
46 112.1 14 6 14 6 89 Maryville, TN
47 111.6 6 10 9 11 2 Willamette
48 111.2 11 6 11 6 74 Huntingdon
49 111.2 17 9 17 9 77 Emory
50 111.1 7 5 7 5 58 Cortland
51 111.1 8 12 11 13 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor
52 110.9 15 8 15 8 88 Methodist
53 110.7 7 9 7 9 18 Mississippi College
54 110.4 8 10 11 11 14 Hendrix
55 110.3 12 9 12 9 51 Piedmont
56 110.2 9 4 9 4 106 Thiel
57 110.0 9 9 9 9 31 Wooster
58 109.7 12 8 12 8 67 Bridgewater, VA
59 109.4 11 3 11 3 157 Franklin
60 109.1 10 4 10 4 134 Haverford
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
61 108.4 10 4 10 4 133 Rose-Hulman
62 108.2 8 7 8 8 59 Puget Sound
63 108.2 9 12 11 13 19 Sul Ross State
64 108.2 9 12 13 12 17 Southwestern, TX
65 108.1 8 9 10 14 29 Whitworth
66 107.8 14 7 14 7 113 Case Western Reserve
67 107.6 12 10 12 10 55 Rhodes
68 107.6 6 4 6 4 86 Bethel, MN
69 107.2 10 13 11 14 23 Whittier
70 107.1 6 11 6 11 9 Wartburg
71 106.7 7 4 9 5 101 Manchester
72 106.2 10 6 10 7 103 Wittenberg
73 106.0 12 10 14 11 72 LeTourneau
74 105.6 12 10 12 10 73 La Grange
75 105.4 10 5 10 7 138 Frostburg State
76 104.8 11 7 12 7 123 Salisbury
77 104.7 11 5 11 5 159 Widener
78 104.4 9 5 9 5 130 Transylvania
79 104.3 6 12 8 13 10 Howard Payne
80 103.7 8 5 8 5 121 Clark, MA
D3 Overall
Rank Rating W L W L SoS Team
81 103.5 13 5 13 5 168 Mary Washington
82 103.3 8 4 8 4 142 U.S. Coast Guard Academy
83 103.0 11 8 11 8 107 Oglethorpe
84 102.8 7 4 7 4 140 Spalding
85 102.8 11 4 11 4 180 Moravian
86 102.7 11 4 11 4 177 Penn State-Altoona
87 102.0 5 5 5 6 81 Allegheny
88 101.8 10 7 10 10 135 Washington and Lee
89 101.5 9 8 9 8 96 Denison
90 101.5 8 8 8 8 76 St. Mary's, MD
91 101.5 5 6 5 6 62 Augsburg
92 101.4 6 4 6 4 122 Wentworth Tech
93 101.2 12 6 13 6 169 Wesley
94 101.2 11 2 11 2 193 Richard Stockton
95 101.1 9 10 9 10 78 Ohio Wesleyan
96 101.0 7 7 7 7 79 Farmingdale State
97 100.8 7 7 7 7 94 Bluffton
98 100.7 6 16 6 18 12 Schreiner
99 100.6 7 12 7 13 42 Wabash
100 100.3 12 12 12 12 98 Randolph-Macon
A large number of West Region teams are in the top of this list. Especially in the TOP 20 but the West will still get only 6 teams come playoff time unless they ship a team to another region which has only happen once and that year 2 teams won their regional. The West region number of teams continues to shrink as teams have left in recent years to join NAIA and D2.
IMO West Region teams in SCAC conference should be sent to the South Regional not the West. That would free up 1 more spot to a team in the West. In past years 30 win teams sit at home in the West Region while teams with .500 are playing in other Regionals. NCAA math does not put the best 55 teams in regionals.
Crash and for newbies to the boards, we get 6 teams playing in the "West Regional Tourney" because the 55 team format allows for a 6-team bracket to be played in this part of the country. If the "baseball membership" of D-III were (64 bids times 6.5 teams /bid =) 416 teams, then the NCAA would fly a worthy foes into the West Region to complete an 8-team bracket.
If they move the SCAC into the South Evaluation Region, then those are fewer teams that the Regional Committee will be evaluating. Moving those 5 SCAC teams to the South might cost us a regionally ranked team (15% of the Region membership) in the Regional Rankings. The NCAA ranks 15% of the membership in the Region in the Regional Rankings.
The number of teams that will be playing in the Abilene Regional will be 6, but if we don't have Chapman or Dallas as a Pool B or C team, and we get no Pool C bids from the SCIAC, NWC, the SCAC or the ASC, then the NCAA will take our 4 Pool A members and fly 2 Pool C teams to Abilene from some other region, from some place else in the country. This is very important to realize.
(In 2008, Linfield was a 7th West Region team in the playoffs. We had the 6-team bracket tourney in Abilene, and Linfiled as sent to the "Central" Region. I am not sure of my years and dates, but I recall the general fact. The West Region did not lose out because we only had a 6 team tourney hosted by one team in the region.)
Thanks as always Ralph for the details. You always provide great insight. I just disagree with the current NCAA process even though it has been a great benefit to some Pool B teams and not to Pool C bids.
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.
I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.
If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
Quote from: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.
I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.
If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
I hear what you are saying. I will back off what I said a little. I agree with conferences winners. They won it on the field. Either by winning their conference or their conference tourney. The committee has no real say into these. I just hate when it takes committee's to make the choices for Pool B and Pool C with such complex criteria that is used. As always someone will always not be happy about the selection process. I would like them just to combine Pool B/Pool C into 1 at large Pool like D1 and D2. Then select the best teams nationally remaining from this pool regardless of region. Cost of course is the issue.
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.
I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.
If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
I hear what you are saying. I will back off what I said a little. I agree with conferences winners. They won it on the field. Either by winning their conference or their conference tourney. The committee has no real say into these. I just hate when it takes committee's to make the choices for Pool B and Pool C with such complex criteria that is used. As always someone will always not be happy about the selection process. I would like them just to combine Pool B/Pool C into 1 at large Pool like D1 and D2. Then select the best teams nationally remaining from this pool regardless of region. Cost of course is the issue.
I like the committees. Not a baseball reference, but I like that a human can see how a Kenyon Martin injury affects a team's record. That's just an example. It would take a complex computer formula to take in contingencies like that. I think the dozen or so criteria in D-III baseball are fairly straight forward and thorough. It's much better than the ridiculous formula that formed the process a few years ago.
The Committee turns a potential math equation into an art, for sure. But I also think the Committee has been correct most of the time. Of course there are always a handful of teams at the end that are similar. I don't recall a year when the last few selections were obvious.
As far as combining the at-large pools, with two Pool B's there's not much difference in the outcome. Rarely, if ever, are there zero slam dunk Pool B baseball teams. At most the process will usually cost maybe one team a spot in years with two Pool B's. If we're talking four Pool B's, the case for combining pools could get better. That gets back to a cornerstone of NCAA conferences – access to championships. On the flip side, I think it's fair for the NCAA to set aside bids for schools in non-Pool A conferences. There are many reasons for schools to be in non-Pool A leagues. Not all of those reasons are by choice. Even if it is a choice, I still think Pool B is a valid alternative for those schools.
I know you know this, but I just wanted to clarify one thing in your post. At-large teams are selected on a national basis while using regional results (in the primary criteria). There are no regional minimums or maximums for at-large bids. In theory, all 17 at-large bids (15 Pool C, 2 Pool B) could go to Mideast Region teams.
Too many fans only look at the tree instead of the forest. (Another soliloquy on the benefits of Pool B!)
Pool B is like one big conference for the independents and for teams that don't have enough members to earn an AQ. The access ratio is the average of teams in the Pool A conferences. It is as fair as they can make it. Yes, some of the lower quality Pool B teams have formed Pool A conferences, but the Pool system has given stable structures over the last decade for schools to strengthen the opportunities for student athletes. Good examples include the Landmark Conference, the NEAC, the UMAC and the NECC.
(The examples in football have been truly dramatic in the last 10-15 years!)
Pool B is a fair and systematic way for independents, small conferences, newly organizing conferences and new members to get access to the playoffs in all sports. I have never seen a Pool B field in baseball where the last Pool B team wasn't better than at least a handful of the Pool A winners in the field. The move to Pools has had the effect of prompting schools to align in conferences, and to add sports where access to a playoff bid is a possibility in their conference.
More schools have added sports (all sports, too) in D-III since the move to Pools System in the late 1990's. IMHO, this has been a big win for D-III and student-athletes.
Look at the UMAC. Was Bethany Lutheran ever likely to get Pool B ahead of St Scholastica over the course of a season? Now, BLC can beat CSS on the field in the conference tourney and get the Pool A bid from the UMAC. The 8 schools in the UMAC came from Pool B; one fewer Pool B bid was awarded and another Pool A bid "took its place".
If there were only 2 Pool B bids, and you were considering adding a sport where the competition for the 2 Pool B bids were: Chapman, Emory, Wash StL and Ithaca, wouldn't you have a second thought as to how smart that might be? UDallas is glad to be out of Pool B and into a conference. The UAA has other agendae in its conference. They will get a Pool B bid when they are good enough, which is often.
Currently, what if you are Lesley and adding baseball makes your conference (the New England Collegiate Conference -- NECC) a full Pool A member that now gets an AQ? 25 more D-III student-athletes get a chance at baseball at Lesley's new program, and a new conference with 7 teams, and possibly growing, now can look forward to an NCAA bid!)
And Oshdude's [aka Ricky Nelson] simultaneous post is also excellent! :)
2012 update... See below.
Ralph and Oshdude both excellent posts and information. Thanks for the detail on this. I just disagree with the PoolB/PoolC process as is. But that is my opinion but I respect the views of others and hear their points. I belief it would be better to combine Pool B and Pool C into one at large pool like D1, DII do. I also believe that the at large pool should be the best of those who did not get a Pool A bid. My opinion of course. Cost is also a issue like always.
Human factor with committee's is important. See the mess the BCS has with its computers. I think a more simplified formula for DIII selection would also be better also. Overall DIII W-L with OWP, and should be enough in my opinion.
I may be a writer, but I'm a slow typer. ;)
Yours was the better post, by the way. Far more angles. And smarter angles.
2012 Update...
Chapman joined the SCIAC and has left Pool B.
The Southern Athletic Association (SAA) including Birmingham-Southern will be in Pool B in 2013 and 2014. They will get their Pool A in 2015.
From where does that Pool A bid come? The SAA and the SCAC will have 2 bids in 2015.
The NCAA gives one bid for every 6.5 schools sponsoring a sport.
Three new schools have joined D-III over the time period...Birmingham-Southern, Berry GA and Centenary. (There is 3/ 6.5 or 6/13ths of bid).
The SCAC teams who were left over from DePauw moving to the NCAC have:
--split into in the SAA...6 former SCAC teams plus B-SC and Berry. Those 8 schools have genuinely earned the new bid just like the Landmark Conference schools did about 4 years ago.
--The remaining SCAC teams have added UDallas out of Pool B, added Centenary from D-I, and "taken" Texas Lutheran and Schreiner from the 15 team ASC. The ASC was way too big, but there was little in the way of options to be anything else but a 15-team conference. The ASC membership was providing the numerical basis for 2.31 (15 divided by 6.5) bids in D-III. The ASC did not earn a Pool C bid most years, so all of D-III was "getting" the extra bid in the form of Pool C and a slightly higher access ratio for Pool B determination.
In 2013 the SAA will have 7 teams counting towards Pool B. Berry should be a full member in 2014-2015). The SCAC keeps its Pool A bid for 2 years so it can boost its membership, with the three new schools. (Centenary should be a full member in academic year 2014-15.)
The result of the changes in the South was that in 2010, the SCAC and the ASC had 25 schools playing baseball as full members. They have added 4 new Pool A schools and seen DePauw go to the NCAC and McMurry go to D-II.
Those 27 schools will have 3 bids in 2015: the 8-team SAA, the 7-team SCAC (Colorado College does not play baseball.) and the 12-team ASC.