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Title: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
I have a question, could Boyd's ISR ratings produce the BEST 54 teams ?

If the NCAA's started today, this would be your 54 teams.  YES, I am aware there are many schools that have NOT reported yet.  YES, I agree the regular season conference champ and/or conference tourney champ has importance, but I want to post his rankings and compare to regional rankings when they are produce.


For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


Last updated: Thu Apr 23 08:53:35 2009

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

              D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team      

1   130.7   25   4     36   6     7  Millsaps
 2   128.1   33   2     34   3    52  Pomona-Pitzer
 3   127.7   23   5     27   6    11  Heidelberg
 4   127.2   29   6     32   8    18  Texas-Tyler
 5   125.4   17   6     22   7     5  St. Thomas, Minnesota
 6   124.7   13   4     21   5    13  Carthage
 7   123.9   15   5     23   8    15  Illinois Wesleyan
 8   122.9   16   9     20  10     1  Wisconsin-Whitewater
 9   122.8   15   6     18   8     9  Marietta
10   121.7   14   6     15   9    10  St. Olaf
11   121.6   21   8     21   8    19  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
12   121.4   25   2     30   3   146  Southern Maine
13   119.7   21   2     21   3   171  Trinity, CT
14   119.6   17   2     27   2   153  St. Scholastica
15   119.5   27   3     33   5   158  Salisbury
16   119.2   19  10     25  15    14  Texas-Dallas
17   119.1   23   7     28   7    55  Wooster
18   119.1   23   7     31   8    58  Shenandoah
19   118.2   22   5     23   6   111  Ithaca

20   118.0   23  11     28  12    25  Texas Lutheran
21   117.9   17   7     25   9    38  Franklin
22   117.8   13   4     21   5    76  Thomas More
23   117.7   24   6     26   6   106  Eastern Connecticut State
24   117.6   26   5     29   8   139  George Fox
25   117.6   14   5     19   8    59  John Carroll
26   117.3   21   6     24   7    97  Penn State-Erie
27   117.3   23   7     28   7    87  Kean
28   117.3   26   8     28   8    86  Pacific Lutheran
29   117.3   18   9     22  15    26  Mary Hardin-Baylor
30   117.0   14   9     16  10    12  Wisconsin-La Crosse
31   116.9   25   7     27   7   104  California Lutheran
32   116.5   18   8     20   9    45  Christopher Newport
33   116.1   25   5     30   5   160  Keystone

34   115.9   19   9     24  16    43  Hardin-Simmons
35   115.6   25  13     25  16    37  North Carolina Wesleyan
36   115.6   17  11     20  14    20  DePauw
37   115.1   23  11     24  12    48  Methodist
38   115.1   23   9     25  10    84  Birmingham-Southern
39   114.8   16  12     21  13    16  Chapman
40   114.7   11  11     15  11     2  Wisconsin-Oshkosh
41   114.6   19   8     20  12    78  La Verne
42   114.6   16   5     26   6   120  Buena Vista
43   114.6   14   4     20   8   138  Aurora
44   114.0   14   7     19   9    60  Mount St. Joseph
45   113.8   16   8     17  11    65  Loras
46   113.6   26   4     28   5   221  Curry
47   113.5   22  11     22  12    67  Redlands
48   113.1   10  10     13  10     6  Otterbein

49   113.1   20  12     25  14    46  Mississippi College
50   113.0   17   9     19  11    66  Mount Union
51   113.0   17   8     19  14    88  Manhattanville
52   112.9   15  10     20  12    34  Ohio Wesleyan
53   112.9   20   7     21  10   133  Elizabethtown
54   112.9   21   4     23   7   213  Suffolk
55   112.7   15   5     26   7   145  Wilkes

56   112.7   10   8     14   8    23  St. Norbert
57   112.3   12   7     15  14    57  Manchester
58   112.2   15  15     21  19     8  Trinity, TX
59   112.0   25   8     27   9   166  Linfield
60   111.8   13   8     17  14    53  Coe
61   111.8    8   7     15   8    21  Washington and Jefferson
62   111.8   18  15     24  15    24  McMurry
63   111.5   13   8     20  10    63  Thiel
64   111.4   16  10     18  14    62  William Paterson
65   111.1    7   4     17   8    79  Rockford
66   111.1   16  13     19  17    30  Piedmont
67   110.9   19  14     27  16    41  Rhodes
68   110.6   24  11     25  12   123  Lynchburg
69   110.6   17  10     19  11    85  Rowan
70   110.2   10  14     18  21     3  Hendrix
71   110.2   15   9     19  13    90  DeSales
72   110.2   13   7     14   9   110  Amherst
73   110.0   15   6     19   9   163  Edgewood
74   110.0   20  11     23  12   105  Virginia Wesleyan
75   110.0   14  11     16  12    44  Keene State
76   109.8   20   5     25  12   224  Rochester
77   109.5   15  14     19  17    29  Denison
78   109.4   12  10     15  14    39  Wabash
79   109.1   18   6     19   7   202  Adrian
80   109.0   16  15     23  18    32  Emory
81   108.8   22   9     23  12   182  Western New England
82   108.8   13   7     14  15   125  Mary Washington
83   108.7   18  11     19  14   107  The College of New Jersey
84   108.7   10   7     16  15    81  Macalester
85   108.6   16  13     20  13    49  Montclair State
86   108.5   19   9     24  12   157  Ursinus
87   108.3   14   7     20  10   149  Luther
88   108.1   11   9     15  12    64  Transylvania
89   108.0   14  13     16  13    42  Baldwin-Wallace
90   107.8   15  12     22  14    70  Alvernia
91   107.7   14  14     19  14    36  Rutgers-Newark
92   107.7   14   5     15   8   214  Olivet
93   107.3   19  12     21  12   118  Kenyon
94   107.2   14  14     16  14    40  Wisconsin-Platteville
95   107.1   15   6     21   6   206  Beloit
96   107.1   12  10     19  12    75  Wartburg
97   107.1   16   7     22  12   195  Webster
98   106.8   11  13     16  14    28  Muskingum
99   106.8   15   9     17  12   140  St. John Fisher
100   106.7   14  11     22  12    94  Johns Hopkins
101   106.7   15   5     19  10   229  Delaware Valley
102   106.6   11   6     18   9   164  Plattsburgh State
103   106.6   10  19     13  24     4  Austin
104   106.1   19   8     21  10   211  Rhode Island College
105   105.9   14  13     20  17    71  Oglethorpe
106   105.9   13   7     17   7   181  Williams
107   105.5   17  15     17  18    91  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
108   105.3   17  10     22  11   172  Frostburg State
109   105.1   15  14     15  14    83  Allegheny
110   104.9   13  14     20  15    56  Huntingdon
111   104.6   13  12     14  15    96  Ferrum
112   104.1   12  11     12  11   101  Ripon
113   103.5   13   7     21  10   209  Worcester Tech - WPI ?
114   103.3   10  10     15  11    99  Wisconsin-Stout
115   103.1   11   5     12   8   232  Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
116   102.9   14   9     17  13   192  Haverford
117   102.8   15   6     19   9   241  MIT
118   102.8   15   9     17  14   204  Widener
119   102.8    9  14     12  20    31  Bluffton
120   102.8   13  11     17  11   137  Dallas
121   102.8   15  14     18  17   115  Randolph-Macon
122   102.7   17  16     17  16   114  Pacific, Oregon
123   102.5   10  12     11  17    74  Wittenberg
124   102.5   15  13     22  22   135  Simpson
125   102.0   15  13     18  14   144  Bowdoin
126   101.9   11   7     16  11   207  Bridgewater State
127   101.8   10  20     13  23    22  Cal State East Bay
128   101.7   12  10     14  10   161  Westfield State
129   101.5   10  10     17  15   121  Augsburg
130   101.5   14  17     14  23    92  Schreiner
131   101.3    9  13     12  18    54  Ohio Northern
132   101.3   13   9     17  10   200  Worcester State


For complete list, http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html




Teams NOT reporting OR I missed them in the list ?  If I missed, someone, let me know and I'll correct.


Central :
Augustana

Mid-Atlantic :
Penn State-Behrand
Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham

Mid-East :
Rose-Hulman

New England :
Wheaton
St. Joseph's Maine

New York :
Rensselear
Cortland St.
Old Westbury
Fredonia St.

South :
York

Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: BaseballFan on April 23, 2009, 07:45:13 PM
So are you going to tell us how many of the 54 regional ranked teams are in Billy Boyds rankings or am I going to have to scroll up and down looking for myself? I would take a guess of 30
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13.  :)

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   ;)

That is a huge discrepancy.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Should we just delete this topic ? 
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milby on April 23, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Should we just delete this topic ? 
I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end".   ;)

Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milby on April 23, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Should we just delete this topic ? 
I can or I can move it into another topic, just to show the fans research that has led to a "dead end".   ;)




OK, I've put the Reg'l teams ranked in "bold".

Let's not delete yet, I will "bold" print the Reg'l teams in his list to the end and see where we end up, it'll be interesting and hopefully the NCAA data will be accurate at the end.  Fair enough?
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

We can see how far away we are to having another "metric" of team performance.

Look at the teams from the "strong" conferences that are in the first 100!
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 10:52:08 PM
OK, I think I have listed all of the reg'l ranked teams in "bold" now and the one's that I am missing at the bottom of that list ... I am not sure about St. Joeseph Maine ?  Could they be #44 on Boyd's list ?
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: BaseballFan on April 23, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.

I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 23, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
I would like to point there are 30 teams in the boyds 54 and if you check back i said about 30....thanks for bolding them.

I think the Boyd rating scale is good in theory, but when a lot of records are incorrect and teams are missing, its just a misleading tool.


Hopefully the last 2 weeks of rankings, the NCAA data will be accurate, he pulls his data from there.  How, I am not sure how he does it?  BUT it'll be interesting to compare and chat about.

Each week, teams are being added, his entire list is up to 288 teams now.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: ppfan on April 23, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 24, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
Quote from: ppfan on April 23, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Once again, these numbers are off. It has PP at 34-3 when they are 31-3. Every time someone posts these Boyd Rankings the games played are wrong. It used to not have all the PP games, now it has too many. I'm sure there are problems with the records of the other teams.


Boyd has the following disclaimer:

Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Just Bill on April 24, 2009, 01:30:10 AM
I'm telling ya, there's no way the NCAA's actual numbers are off by as much as Boyd says they are.  I don't know where Boyd gets his numbers, but it's not the real source that the NCAA committees have.  Sure there are SIDs who might have an error here or there, but since the regional committees are meeting weekly now, they get the discrepencies fixed.

I think that's been my problem with Boyd's list all along. He's implying that if the numbers are wrong it's the SIDs fault.  If that's true than the vast majority of SIDs are doing a horrible job reporting scores.  That's just the opposite of reality.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 24, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13.  :)

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   ;)

That is a huge discrepancy.


On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 24, 2009, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: Milby on April 24, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
The Division III Championship is not about the best 54 teams.

It is the conference champs in 35 conferences, 6 more teams representing the independents and "Pool B" conferences and then the best remaining 13.  :)

How close is Boyd's database to that which was used to select the 6 Pool B's and 13 Pool C teams?  That is my question about Boyd's.

(McMurry is 25-15 versus D3 thru the regular season not 18-15.  UTD is 24-14 versus D3, not 19-10.)   ;)

That is a huge discrepancy.


On May 11th or 12th ... I highlight the Pool A, B and C's in different color and we'll have a good idea of how close Boyd's system actually is.
How will we find out? I may be missing something, but it's apples and oranges. Boyd's and the NCAA only overlap in that they list baseball teams. One's regional, the other is national. One uses correct in-region records, the other does not. One bases schedule strength on in-region games, the other does not. One doesn't seed nationally, the other seemingly does in order to be effective in whatever it does. And on and on. We have no way of knowing which of the top-ranked regional teams is considered the "best" overall. If Millsaps were to win the national championship tomorrow, how would Boyd's compare to the NCAA?

It's well and good to have another metric for the sake of discussion, but any comparative value seems like, at best, a misdirect to me.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on April 26, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Nation [mailto:boyd.nation@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:39 AM
To: JEFF MILBURN
Subject: Re: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings

No problem at all.  I'm aware that there's a good bit of error in the NCAA data that I'm pulling;

My hopes are that ...

1) it's still more useful than nothing was, and

2) that this will put some pressure on the teams, conferences, and the NCAA to improve the quality of the data.

--
Boyd Nation
www.boydsworld.com
boyd.nation@mindspring.com




-----Original Message-----
From: JEFF MILBURN [mailto:coachmilburn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Boyd Nation'
Subject: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings

Boyd,

I know I should have asked you beforehand, for not doing so, I am sorry ... but I am trying to get your ISR rankings some creditability by comparing it to the D3 Regional Rankings.

Please review the discussion ... IF I should no longer reference a portion of your list, then I will stop.  A lot of folks are questioning the errors in the records.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6386.0

Respectfully,
JEFF







Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2009, 03:54:31 PM
Quote from: Milby on April 26, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Nation [mailto:boyd.nation@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:39 AM
To: JEFF MILBURN
Subject: Re: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings

No problem at all.  I'm aware that there's a good bit of error in the NCAA data that I'm pulling;

My hopes are that ...

1) it's still more useful than nothing was, and

2) that this will put some pressure on the teams, conferences, and the NCAA to improve the quality of the data.

--
Boyd Nation
www.boydsworld.com
boyd.nation@mindspring.com




-----Original Message-----
From: JEFF MILBURN [mailto:coachmilburn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:35 AM
To: 'Boyd Nation'
Subject: Your ISR ratings compared to D3 Reg'l rankings

Boyd,

I know I should have asked you beforehand, for not doing so, I am sorry ... but I am trying to get your ISR rankings some creditability by comparing it to the D3 Regional Rankings.

Please review the discussion ... IF I should no longer reference a portion of your list, then I will stop.  A lot of folks are questioning the errors in the records.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6386.0

Respectfully,
JEFF

The issue with Boyd's and every other index system is that the NCAA re-buffed a legislative effort in January 2009 for more transparent data.

They said the expense was more than they had budgetd and would take longer than expected.

One other thing for fans to consider is that the framework for all NCAA team  sport championships is essentially the same in theory as voted on the members.

The NCAA has rolled out this system, and 10 years of refinements, to get us this far.

The fair thing about it is that the NCAA holds to regional principles at D-III.  It is futile to compare to D-1.  You have to be the best to get out of your region.

A national tourney on regional principles?  Yeah, go chat on the basketball message boards.    ::)

At least in the baseball we have very good distribution of quality teams.  You really cannot call one baseball region weaker than another as some (the "Chicagoland and 500 mile radius" crew  ;)  ) are prone to do in basketball.

As a member of SABR, I love the stats!  However, I think that our current integration of data is too primitive at this time.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on May 02, 2009, 12:37:59 AM
April 30th Reg'l rankings compared to Boyd's ISR rankings : 294 teams reporting

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html



NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings

Last updated: Fri May 1 08:55:37 2009

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

1   128.8   25   6     36   8     6  Millsaps
  2   128.7   35   3     36   4    38  Pomona-Pitzer
  3   127.7   31   7     34   9    10  Texas-Tyler
  4   126.1   24   6     30   7    16  Heidelberg
  5   123.7   17   5     25  10    20  Illinois Wesleyan
  6   123.4   14   4     23   5    26  Carthage
  7   121.9   18  10     22  11     3  Wisconsin-Whitewater
  8   121.7   19   8     24   9    13  St. Thomas, Minnesota
  9   121.4   14   6     20  10    14  St. Olaf
10   121.2   24   9     24   9    23  Wisconsin-Stevens Point

11   120.8   25   7     30   7    49  Wooster
12   120.7   28   3     33   4   143  Southern Maine
13   120.6   21  11     27  16     8  Texas-Dallas
14   120.2   25   7     33   8    58  Shenandoah
15   120.0   27   7     32   7    72  Kean
16   119.8   29   6     32   9   103  George Fox

17   119.8   17   5     24   8    57  John Carroll
18   119.7   19   9     22  11    17  Marietta
19   119.5   28   6     30   6   104  Eastern Connecticut State
20   119.3   28   4     34   6   145  Salisbury

21   119.2   25   4     25   5   134  Trinity, CT
22   119.1   30   8     32   8    81  Pacific Lutheran

23   118.9   23  11     30  12    18  Texas Lutheran
24   118.7   19   2     35   2   181  St. Scholastica
25   118.6   20   7     28   9    53  Franklin
26   118.2   21   6     25   7    86  Penn State-Erie
27   118.2   16  12     20  12     4  Wisconsin-Oshkosh
28   118.1   26   9     28   9    61  California Lutheran
29   117.7   23   6     27   7   109  Ithaca
30   117.5   19  12     24  13    11  Chapman

31   117.0   25  11     26  12    43  Methodist
32   116.9   19   9     23  10    35  Christopher Newport
33   116.8   21   8     22  11    67  Loras
34   116.1   14  14     22  21     1  Hendrix
35   115.9   18  11     22  17    22  Mary Hardin-Baylor
36   115.8   21   9     22  14    65  La Verne
37   115.7   26  14     27  19    32  North Carolina Wesleyan
38   115.7   20  11     25  18    30  Hardin-Simmons
39   114.9   23  12     28  14    45  Mississippi College
40   114.5   16   8     21  11    56  Mount St. Joseph
41   114.5   13  12     16  12     5  Otterbein
42   114.3   15   5     23  10   125  Aurora
43   114.2   19   8     23  15    94  Manhattanville
44   114.2   26  11     28  12    91  Birmingham-Southern
45   113.8   18  13     21  16    24  DePauw
46   113.8   18   8     28   9    89  Buena Vista
47   113.7   18  17     24  21     7  Trinity, TX
48   113.5   17  10     21  16    46  Coe
49   113.3   15  14     17  15     9  Wisconsin-La Crosse
50   113.1   26  11     28  12   111  Linfield
51   112.9   23  13     23  14    63  Redlands
52   112.8   22   4     26   8   214  Suffolk
53   112.8   17   9     23  12    75  Luther
54   112.7   19  17     26  17    15  McMurry
55   112.7   28   5     34   5   217  Keystone
56   112.6   28   5     30   6   219  Curry
57   112.6   22   6     23   7   185  Adrian

58   112.5   11   9     15   9    21  St. Norbert
59   112.2   20  13     24  13    48  Montclair State
60   112.1   17  12     22  14    36  Ohio Wesleyan
61   112.1   14   8     15  10    71  Amherst
62   111.7   14   9     25  10    55  Washington and Jefferson
63   111.3   19  11     22  15    79  William Paterson
64   111.2   22   8     23  11   164  Elizabethtown
65   110.4   18  12     20  13    70  Keene State
66   110.3   15  11     21  16    54  Wabash
67   110.2   16  14     19  20    29  Piedmont
68   110.1   17   9     25  10   118  Thomas More
69   109.9   22  13     26  14    99  Virginia Wesleyan
70   109.8   24  13     25  14   119  Lynchburg
71   109.7   21   9     26  12   162  Ursinus
72   109.6   15  10     19  18    82  Manchester
73   109.4   17   6     22  12   197  Delaware Valley
74   109.3   14  14     21  15    27  Muskingum
75   109.1   17  11     25  13    96  Johns Hopkins
76   109.1   18  10     25  12   124  Thiel
77   109.0   14  13     21  15    34  Wartburg
78   108.9   19  16     27  18    50  Rhodes
79   108.8   14  10     18  13    80  Transylvania
80   108.7   16  11     20  15    93  DeSales
81   108.7   20  14     20  14    88  Allegheny
82   108.7   11  19     14  24     2  Austin
83   108.5   14   8     15  16   127  Mary Washington
84   108.5   14   7     23   8   151  Williams
85   108.4   17  13     19  15    76  Mount Union
86   108.3   16  17     20  20    28  Denison
87   108.3   18   8     29  10   176  Wilkes
88   108.2   17  16     22  16    41  Rutgers-Newark
89   108.2   15  15     17  15    33  Wisconsin-Platteville
90   108.2   24   6     29  13   235  Rochester
91   107.6   19  10     25  12   160  Frostburg State
92   107.6   16   8     20  13   167  Edgewood
93   107.5   18  13     20  14    98  Rowan
94   107.4   15  15     17  17    42  Baldwin-Wallace
95   107.2   19  14     20  17   101  The College of New Jersey
96   107.1   16  13     25  15    83  Alvernia
97   107.0    7   5     19   9   112  Rockford
98   106.8   20  13     22  13   128  Kenyon
99   106.8   15  14     16  19    62  Wittenberg
100   106.8   17  18     24  21    40  Emory
101   106.6   24  11     25  14   199  Western New England
102   106.5   18  17     18  20    66  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
103   106.3   20   7     27  12   226  Webster
104   106.3   22  10     26  11   200  Worcester State
105   106.3   21  10     23  12   198  Rhode Island College
106   105.8   18  10     23  15   177  Bridgewater State
107   105.4   17  11     22  13   154  Washington and Lee
108   105.4   13  12     14  15    85  Ferrum
109   105.2   17   8     23   8   206  Beloit
110   105.2   15  13     19  13   100  Dallas
111   105.0   14  13     20  17    90  Oglethorpe
112   104.8   12  21     15  24    12  Cal State East Bay
113   104.7   20  17     21  17   114  Willamette
114   104.6   14   8     23  12   194  Worcester Tech


Teams NOT reporting :

Mid-Atlantic:
Penn State-Behrend 27-7, 25-6
Fairleigh Dickinson-Florham 19-11-1, 19-10-1

Mid-East:
Rose-Hulman 25-11, 17-7

New England:
Wheaton (Mass) 28-9, 25-8

New York:
Cortland Sate 25-12, 20-8
Rensselaer 27-8, 25-7
Fredonia State 25-7, 16-7
Old Westburg 24-11, 22-8



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Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.

Even this green-bleeding Titan fan would have to agree that IWU at #5 is ridiculous!  30-35 is probably more like it.  If they don't win the CCIW AQ, I have faint hopes of a pool C if they make the tourney final, but only faint hopes.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
LOL @ IWU being ahead of Carthage et al.

Even this green-bleeding Titan fan would have to agree that IWU at #5 is ridiculous!  30-35 is probably more like it.  If they don't win the CCIW AQ, I have faint hopes of a pool C if they make the tourney final, but only faint hopes.

Ypsi- I agree... IWU dropping games to Wheaton really hurts their Pool C chances. The only weay I see the CCIW getting two teams is if:
A. Carthage loses the tourney, they are a Pool C lock... or
B. IWU gets hot and plays well, but loses in the CCIW final to Carthage, and only Carthage.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: coachmilburn on May 19, 2009, 04:36:59 PM
NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings

Last updated: Tue May 19 08:55:43 2009
Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

                      D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team   
   5   123.7   29  11    37  13     8  St. Thomas, Minnesota
   6   123.5   19   4     33   6    41  Carthage 
   9   121.5   28   7     37   8    52  Shenandoah
12   121.3   26   7     32   7    46  Wooster
14   119.9   26   4     28   6   126  Trinity, CT
16   119.7   29   8     35   8    67  Kean
24   117.5   20  13    25  14    11  Chapman

Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 19, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
I went to the site and looked at the rankings. ALl the records for the teams are all messed up....

Hopkins is not 32-16, nor is their D3 record 23-14....i dunno where he is getting some of these numbers
Title: Final Boyd Nations ISR ratings: May 31, 2009
Post by: coachmilburn on September 24, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
Just for conversation, I think it's interesting to compare and see where teams finished up as of May 31, 2009.

I thing that I am most interested in is the "SOS" - strength of schedule, wonder how close that is?




NCAA Division III Baseball -- Iterative Strength Ratings

Last updated: Sun May 31 08:57:06 2009

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


              D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team      

 1   129.4   33   7     40   9     6  Heidelberg
 2   127.1   39   6     40   7    29  Pomona-Pitzer
 3   126.9   34  12     43  14     3  St. Thomas, Minnesota
 4   125.9   24   7     40   9    13  Carthage
 5   125.3   27   9     38  11     9  Millsaps
 6   124.8   36  10     39  12    20  Texas-Tyler
 7   124.2   37  11     43  11    19  Wooster
 8   123.6   26  10     32  14    12  St. Olaf
 9   123.0   26  16     32  20     1  Wisconsin-Whitewater
10   122.2   32  15     32  15     7  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
11   121.7   33   8     36  11    53  George Fox
12   121.0   38   8     41   8    80  Eastern Connecticut State
13   119.5   28   9     38  10    49  Shenandoah
14   119.4   17   7     28  16    25  Illinois Wesleyan
15   119.0   31   9     33   9    73  Pacific Lutheran
16   118.9   26  16     32  17     8  Chapman
17   118.8   28  16     33  18    14  Marietta
18   118.6   32  11     39  11    54  Kean
19   118.5   33   7     38  10   116  Southern Maine
20   118.5   20  16     24  16     2  Wisconsin-Oshkosh
21   118.0   35   6     38   9   143  Trinity, CT
22   117.9   30  11     32  11    56  California Lutheran
23   117.9   31   6     39   8   131  Salisbury
24   117.8   23   8     33  12    67  Franklin
25   117.5   22  13     28  18    18  Texas-Dallas
26   116.7   18   9     25  12    31  John Carroll
27   116.2   26   8     32  10   104  Ithaca
28   115.9   19  16     22  18     5  Otterbein
29   115.7   23  13     30  14    30  Texas Lutheran
30   115.6   19  15     22  16    10  Wisconsin-La Crosse
31   115.4   22  11     23  16    42  La Verne
32   115.1   21   5     30  14   154  Aurora
33   114.9   26  12     27  13    65  Methodist
34   114.3   22  10     25  14    76  Loras
35   114.3   25   7     45   7   144  St. Scholastica
36   114.2   17   9     26  14    52  Mount St. Joseph
37   113.9   34   6     41   6   201  Keystone
38   113.7   23  11     29  14    77  Luther
39   113.6   21  12     25  13    44  Christopher Newport
40   113.6   26  11     28  12    97  Birmingham-Southern
41   113.6   25  14     30  16    51  Mississippi College
42   113.5   26  15     27  21    43  North Carolina Wesleyan
43   113.5   18  11     22  17    39  Mary Hardin-Baylor
44   113.5   26  11     28  12    98  Linfield
45   113.5   21  13     26  19    38  Coe
46   113.3   20  11     25  18    59  Hardin-Simmons
47   113.0   27  11     32  13   115  Penn State-Erie
48   112.7   14  16     22  23     4  Hendrix
49   112.6   21   9     26  17   113  Manhattanville
50   112.6   26  14     38  15    74  Washington and Jefferson
51   112.4   23  14     32  17    55  Johns Hopkins
52   112.4   25  14     25  15    71  Redlands
53   112.0   19  14     24  16    33  Ohio Wesleyan
54   111.7   19  19     21  19    16  Wisconsin-Platteville
55   111.5   31  11     33  12   157  Adrian
56   111.4   26  16     27  19    69  The College of New Jersey
57   111.4   17  14     24  19    26  Wabash
58   111.4   20  17     28  21    23  Wartburg
59   111.3   27  11     29  15   134  Elizabethtown
60   111.2   22  14     26  15    66  Keene State
61   111.1   19  16     22  19    27  DePauw
62   111.1   18  17     24  21    21  Trinity, TX
63   111.1   19  17     23  20    22  Denison
64   111.0   21  13     24  17    75  William Paterson
65   110.9   32   7     34   8   216  Curry
66   110.7   25   7     29  11   197  Suffolk
67   110.7   19  17     26  17    24  McMurry
68   110.0   20  13     30  14    78  Buena Vista
69   109.8   18  11     23  19    90  Manchester
70   109.7   16  15     23  16    28  Muskingum
71   109.6   17  15     20  21    35  Piedmont
72   109.1   22  10     28  14   152  Ursinus
73   109.1   23  19     28  19    48  Montclair State
74   109.0   18  15     23  15    47  St. Norbert
75   108.6   16   8     29  14   142  Rockford
76   108.6   22  10     29  10   162  Beloit
77   108.5   26   7     32  18   227  Rochester
78   108.4   22  13     26  14   120  Virginia Wesleyan
79   108.4   22  16     31  18    82  Thiel
80   108.3   19  16     27  18    58  Rhodes
81   108.2   17  11     21  16   106  DeSales
82   108.2   17  16     18  21    40  Wittenberg
83   108.2   15  11     16  13    85  Amherst
84   108.1   13   8     21  13   118  Chicago
85   108.0   22  10     31  14   171  Worcester Tech
86   108.0   18  15     20  18    63  Mount Union
87   108.0   24  13     25  14   138  Lynchburg
88   107.8   19  11     28  13   130  Williams
89   107.8   29  13     30  18   177  Western New England
90   107.6   19  15     28  17    79  Alvernia
91   107.3   14   8     15  17   140  Mary Washington
92   107.2   17  11     29  12   122  Thomas More
93   107.2   19  17     25  17    62  Rutgers-Newark
94   106.8   13  12     26  15    61  Huntingdon
95   106.8   16  15     19  19    60  Baldwin-Wallace
96   106.7   22  16     22  16   111  Allegheny
97   106.6   17   7     23  13   202  Delaware Valley
98   106.5   19  15     21  16    93  Rowan
99   106.5   18  10     22  17   160  Edgewood
100   106.2   27  14     31  15   175  Worcester State
101   105.9   17  18     25  21    50  Emory
102   105.9   11  19     15  24    11  Austin
103   105.8   22   8     28  16   226  Webster
104   105.7   15  13     19  16    89  Transylvania
105   105.7   19  19     19  22    64  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
106   105.6   22  19     24  19    91  Kenyon
107   105.2   14  18     19  19    32  Wisconsin-Stout
108   105.1   20  17     21  17   102  Willamette
109   105.1   22  12     24  15   186  Rhode Island College
110   104.7   12  21     16  24    17  Cal State East Bay
111   104.6   19  12     24  17   166  Bridgewater State
112   104.5   14  15     23  19    70  Hamline
113   104.4   19  11     31  13   185  Wilkes
114   104.3   16  15     20  15    96  Dallas
115   104.2   14  14     20  16    86  Ripon
116   103.8   14  13     20  17   105  Oglethorpe
117   103.7   21  14     25  16   172  Bowdoin
118   103.6   13  12     15  15   114  Ferrum
119   103.6   20  12     22  17   191  Widener
120   103.5   11  11     21  17    94  Augsburg
121   103.5   23  16     23  18   164  Calvin
122   103.5   19  11     25  14   195  MIT
123   103.4   10  20     16  28    15  Wisconsin-Superior
124   103.0   21  14     24  18   180  St. John Fisher
125   102.9   17  13     22  15   156  Washington and Lee
126   102.6   21  14     27  16   188  Frostburg State
127   102.5   12  19     17  22    34  Gustavus Adolphus
128   102.5   19  11     20  15   208  Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
129   102.2   17  20     24  29    87  Simpson
130   102.1   12  19     15  25    36  Bluffton
131   102.0   25  12     37  14   237  Husson
132   102.0   19  17     23  18   137  Westfield State
133   101.7   17  17     20  19   125  Tufts
134   101.6   17  20     19  20    92  Pacific, Oregon
135   101.3   18  10     35  11   224  Bethany Lutheran
136   101.1   12  19     15  24    45  Ohio Northern
137   100.9   33  17     37  19   239  Penn State-Altoona
138   100.4   16  20     21  20   101  Ramapo
139    99.9    9  17     17  21    37  Menlo
140    99.8   13  12     16  16   168  McDaniel
141    99.7   13  22     18  24    57  Greensboro
142    99.7   17  11     22  23   221  Clarkson
143    99.7   14  17     14  23   119  Schreiner
144    99.6   18  20     19  22   132  Massachusetts-Boston
145    99.5   16  23     17  24    88  Puget Sound
146    99.5   10  13     18  21   109  Macalester
147    99.2   15  17     19  20   133  Randolph-Macon
148    99.2   17  13     24  21   207  Catholic
149    99.2   17  17     24  24   161  Brockport
150    99.2   14  13     17  18   176  Haverford
151    99.0   15  16     19  18   150  Albright
152    98.7   19  13     24  16   228  Susquehanna
153    98.5    8  13     15  23    83  Elmhurst
154    98.4   13  10     25  18   213  Plattsburgh State
155    98.3   13  15     16  22   146  Muhlenberg
156    98.2    8   9     16  13   155  Geneva
157    98.2   20  18     21  21   193  Roger Williams
158    98.2    9  12     12  21   124  Millikin
159    98.1   17  18     20  19   170  Hampden-Sydney
160    98.0   19  17     20  20   199  Hope
161    97.8   15  15     19  19   184  Guilford
162    97.5   12  26     13  29    46  Whittier
163    97.3   14  18     15  21   141  Messiah
164    97.3   11  13     15  16   159  Middlebury
165    96.9   14  13     23  22   206  Mount Aloysius
166    96.8   17  16     30  22   205  Wesley
167    96.8   10  17     12  24   100  Centre
168    96.8    9  15     11  25   103  Hanover
169    96.7   16   8     27  14   264  Grinnell
170    96.6   18  15     27  21   222  Skidmore
171    96.5   14  17     23  23   167  Stevens Tech
172    96.5   18  17     19  21   210  Olivet
173    96.4   10  21     15  24    72  LeTourneau
174    96.3   13  14     20  21   192  Gettysburg
175    96.2   15  14     23  15   212  Gwynedd-Mercy
176    95.9    8  15     20  23    95  North Park
177    95.7   14  18     23  20   169  Babson
178    95.5   11  20     18  24   108  East Texas Baptist
179    95.5   15  20     18  27   163  Brandeis
180    95.4    5  14     16  20    41  Louisiana College
181    94.8   15  21     16  24   165  Occidental
182    94.7   15  19     19  22   187  Rochester Tech
183    94.7   13  17     16  17   179  Richard Stockton
184    94.6   13  21     17  25   139  Oberlin
185    94.6   15  20     20  22   178  Pittsburgh-Greensburg
186    94.4   18  20     24  21   211  Neumann
187    94.2   19  20     20  22   215  Endicott
188    94.1   11  15     19  20   183  Grove City
189    94.0   19  19     22  20   229  Fitchburg State
190    94.0   11  19     18  21   136  Waynesburg
191    93.9   12  23     14  25   123  Averett
192    93.8   19  13     31  16   260  Castleton State
193    93.5   12  12     18  18   232  St. Lawrence
194    93.2   18  20     19  22   217  Lebanon Valley
195    93.1   11  23     19  26   121  Stevenson
196    93.0    4   8      4  12   129  Spalding
197    92.7   11  20     21  21   149  Carleton
198    92.7    8  25     12  33    68  Case Western Reserve
199    92.6    9  25     10  26    84  Capital
200    92.5   15  15     22  20   241  Moravian

For remainder of the list :

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Title: Re: Final Boyd Nations ISR ratings: May 31, 2009
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 25, 2009, 02:20:02 AM
TEAMS AT D3 Championship
 Univ. of St. Thomas     5 wins     RANKED 3
 The College of Wooster  4 wins RANKED 7
 Carthage  2 wins RANKED 4
 Chapman  2 wins RANKED 16    
 Kean 1 win   RANKED 18
 Shenandoah   1 win  RANKED 13
 Farmingdale   0 wins RANKED ?
 Trinity College  0 wins RANKED 21

Interesting where teams from top 10 rankings finished
Title: Re: Final Boyd Nations ISR ratings: May 31, 2009
Post by: Old Man on September 25, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
Just wanted to point out -

Rankings for Strength of Schedule for final 8

Univ of St Thomas - was RANKED 3rd in SOS
Wooster - was RANKED 19th in SOS
Carthage - was RANKED 13th in SOS
Chapman - was RANKED 8th in SOS
Kean - was RANKED 54th in SOS
Shenandoah - was RANKED 49th in SOS
Farmingdale -
Trinity CT - was RANKED 143rd in SOS


OM
Title: Re: Final Boyd Nations ISR ratings: May 31, 2009
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 25, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
SOS can really impact how many wins & losses a team has each year

Example is
Keystone 41-6 but SOS was 201
Hendrix 22-23 and SOS was  4 

This year the one with highest ranked SOS in the final 8 St Thomas won the National Championship.

THANKS OM....
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
Current Top 100 Rankings on Boyd's World: (looks great for Southern California with #1, 2 and 3).

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

  1   134.2   20   4     22   7     4  Chapman
  2   131.3   24   6     24   8     7  Pomona-Pitzer
  3   129.0   24   6     24   6    13  Redlands
  4   128.0   25   5     25   5    29  Heidelberg
  5   127.9   32   3     33   3   142  Johns Hopkins
  6   127.5   26   4     30   4    73  Birmingham-Southern
  7   127.3   23   7     25  10    15  Linfield
  8   126.4   23   5     23   5    52  Marietta
  9   124.8   24   3     24   3   153  Wisconsin-Whitewater
10   123.9   23   7     28   7    51  Pacific Lutheran
11   123.7   20   3     21   5   162  Mississippi College
12   123.0   17   4     19   4    70  Tufts
13   122.3   32   7     33   7   118  Shenandoah
14   121.5   30   7     30   7   138  Trinity, TX
15   121.5   21   5     21   5   125  Washington and Jefferson
16   121.1   20  13     20  15     5  La Verne
17   121.1   26   7     26   7   122  Wooster
18   120.7   19   8     19   8    31  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19   120.4   17   8     20   9    23  Franklin
20   120.1   21  12     22  12    10  California Lutheran

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

21   120.0   28  10     30  10    66  Texas-Tyler
22   119.8   24   9     24   9    68  Rose-Hulman
23   119.6   21  10     23  14    28  George Fox
24   119.2   24  10     24  13    58  Millsaps
25   118.8   12   3     12   4   151  St. Thomas, Minnesota
26   118.7   24  10     24  10    60  Methodist
27   118.6   22   3     22   3   254  Rochester
28   118.5   16  10     17  11    12  Manchester
29   118.4   20   7     20   7   115  Wheaton, Massachusetts
30   117.9   16   6     16   8    94  Buena Vista
31   117.7   23   5     23   5   215  North Central, IL
32   117.5   22   5     22   7   204  Westfield State
33   117.3   18   9     18  11    55  Anderson, IN
34   117.0   17   6     20   6   149  Adrian
35   116.5   23   8     23   8   144  Allegheny
36   116.5   22  12     23  13    42  Huntingdon
37   116.3   27  11     28  11   116  Texas Lutheran
38   116.3   12   5     12   5   130  Trinity, CT
39   116.2   21   7     23   7   182  Eastern Connecticut State
40   116.0   16   6     16   8    89  John Carroll

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

41   116.0   22  12     22  12    45  Maryville, TN
42   115.1   24  17     24  17    22  DePauw
43   115.0   20   6     20   6   208  Cortland
44   115.0   16  15     16  17     6  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
45   114.9   21   3     23   3   299  St. Scholastica
46   114.9   23   9     23   9   158  Kean
47   114.7   25   8     25   8   201  Western New England
48   114.6   12   7     15   9    49  Ohio Northern
49   114.4   23  10     23  10   133  Hampden-Sydney
50   114.4   22   4     22   4   271  Fairleigh Dickinson-Madison
51   114.3   18  11     18  11    33  Rowan
52   114.2   18  12     20  13    30  Transylvania
53   113.9   19   9     20  10   112  Bowdoin
54   113.7   24   9     24   9   186  Mary Washington
55   113.7   14   6     17   8   147  Bates
56   113.6   20   5     21   5   252  Worcester State
57   113.6   16  11     16  11    46  Carthage
58   113.6   23  16     23  17    39  Christopher Newport
59   113.6   18   7     19   7   187  Concordia, IL
60   113.1    9   4     10   4   146  Macalester

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

61   113.0   23   8     24   8   203  Salisbury
62   112.8   21  13     22  14    65  Texas-Dallas
63   112.8   19  16     21  16    17  Rhodes
64   112.7   21   7     22   7   217  Alvernia
65   112.7   17   8     17   9   145  Widener
66   112.3   22  10     22  10   169  Curry
67   112.2   20  14     21  19    36  McMurry
68   112.2   17  11     18  12    62  Keene State
69   112.2   21  15     21  19    53  Hardin-Simmons
70   112.0   20   9     20   9   193  Thomas More
71   111.9   19  17     21  17    16  La Grange
72   111.8    9   3      9   3   245  Bethany Lutheran
73   111.8   20  16     20  16    34  Piedmont
74   111.8   17  13     17  13    38  Montclair State
75   111.6   18   6     18   6   221  Plattsburgh State
76   111.5   20  16     22  17    41  Mary Hardin-Baylor
77   111.4   16  10     17  10   103  Wheaton, Illinois
78   111.4   15   7     15   7   174  Oneonta
79   111.3   18  13     18  13    64  Menlo
80   111.0   15   5     16   6   243  Hope

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

81   111.0   21  12     21  12   143  York, PA
82   111.0   18   3     18   4   319  Webster
83   110.7   21   8     22   9   216  North Park
84   110.4   13  14     17  18    11  Puget Sound
85   110.1   18  18     19  19    24  Emory
86   110.0   15  10     15  10    99  Augustana, IL
87   109.8   19  13     21  13    93  Ferrum
88   109.7   19  14     19  15    81  Case Western Reserve
89   109.6   23  17     23  17    87  Bridgewater, VA
90   109.4   21  16     25  17    79  Averett
91   109.4   15   7     15   7   231  DeSales
92   109.3   12   7     12   8   157  St. Norbert
93   109.3   17   8     17   8   195  Worcester Tech
94   109.1   15   9     15  12   150  Otterbein
95   108.9   17  18     17  19    19  North Carolina Wesleyan
96   108.9   17  11     17  11   141  Massachusetts-Boston
97   108.7   16   6     18   6   255  Skidmore
98   108.7   14  21     14  21     3  Occidental
99   108.7   23  16     23  16   126  Lynchburg
100   108.6   17   8     17   8   242  Rockford
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: RSSmith on April 28, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
For Boyd's Top Twenty, I've inserted in parentheses the D3 SoS ranking from the Presto Sports data.

                                               SoS
1   134.2   20   4     22   7     4 (14)  Chapman
  2   131.3   24   6     24   8     7 (174)  Pomona-Pitzer
  3   129.0   24   6     24   6    13 (175)  Redlands
  4   128.0   25   5     25   5    29 (33)  Heidelberg
  5   127.9   32   3     33   3   142 (102) Johns Hopkins
  6   127.5   26   4     30   4    73 (108) Birmingham-Southern
  7   127.3   23   7     25  10    15 (196) Linfield
  8   126.4   23   5     23   5    52 (16) Marietta
  9   124.8   24   3     24   3   153 (141)  Wisconsin-Whitewater
10   123.9   23   7     28   7    51(285)  Pacific Lutheran
11   123.7   20   3     21   5   162 (276)  Mississippi College
12   123.0   17   4     19   4    70 (1)  Tufts
13   122.3   32   7     33   7   118 (103) Shenandoah
14   121.5   30   7     30   7   138 (271)  Trinity, TX
15   121.5   21   5     21   5   125 (67)  Washington and Jefferson
16   121.1   20  13     20  15     5 (120) La Verne
17   121.1   26   7     26   7   122 (142)  Wooster
18   120.7   19   8     19   8    31 (24)  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19   120.4   17   8     20   9    23 (98)  Franklin
20   120.1   21  12     22  12    10 (216)  California Lutheran
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: RSSmith on April 28, 2010, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.

I think it's that using ranking is a little misleading.  For exampe, in the D3 system, the difference between #74 DeSales (.535) and #174 Pomona-Pitzer (.507) is less than 3 percent, and, as Ralph reminds us, the D3 system has a self-mitigating effect on teams in the west with limited choices of opponents.  I just found it curious.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: golden_dome on April 28, 2010, 04:57:18 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.

However he did it balanced out the West Region teams and some of the other region's SOS. The current system of calculating SOS is always going to give a large advantage to areas of the country with plenty of DIII schools.  I wonder if the committee takes that into account regarding the West Region when they make pool c picks.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
Current Top 100 Rankings on Boyd's World: (looks great for Southern California with #1, 2 and 3).

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

  1   134.2   20   4     22   7     4  Chapman
  2   131.3   24   6     24   8     7  Pomona-Pitzer
  3   129.0   24   6     24   6    13  Redlands
  4   128.0   25   5     25   5    29  Heidelberg
  5   127.9   32   3     33   3   142  Johns Hopkins
  6   127.5   26   4     30   4    73  Birmingham-Southern
  7   127.3   23   7     25  10    15  Linfield
  8   126.4   23   5     23   5    52  Marietta
  9   124.8   24   3     24   3   153  Wisconsin-Whitewater
10   123.9   23   7     28   7    51  Pacific Lutheran
11   123.7   20   3     21   5   162  Mississippi College
12   123.0   17   4     19   4    70  Tufts
13   122.3   32   7     33   7   118  Shenandoah
14   121.5   30   7     30   7   138  Trinity, TX
15   121.5   21   5     21   5   125  Washington and Jefferson
16   121.1   20  13     20  15     5  La Verne
17   121.1   26   7     26   7   122  Wooster
18   120.7   19   8     19   8    31  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
19   120.4   17   8     20   9    23  Franklin
20   120.1   21  12     22  12    10  California Lutheran

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

21   120.0   28  10     30  10    66  Texas-Tyler
22   119.8   24   9     24   9    68  Rose-Hulman
23   119.6   21  10     23  14    28  George Fox
24   119.2   24  10     24  13    58  Millsaps
25   118.8   12   3     12   4   151  St. Thomas, Minnesota
26   118.7   24  10     24  10    60  Methodist
27   118.6   22   3     22   3   254  Rochester
28   118.5   16  10     17  11    12  Manchester
29   118.4   20   7     20   7   115  Wheaton, Massachusetts
30   117.9   16   6     16   8    94  Buena Vista
31   117.7   23   5     23   5   215  North Central, IL
32   117.5   22   5     22   7   204  Westfield State
33   117.3   18   9     18  11    55  Anderson, IN
34   117.0   17   6     20   6   149  Adrian
35   116.5   23   8     23   8   144  Allegheny
36   116.5   22  12     23  13    42  Huntingdon
37   116.3   27  11     28  11   116  Texas Lutheran
38   116.3   12   5     12   5   130  Trinity, CT
39   116.2   21   7     23   7   182  Eastern Connecticut State
40   116.0   16   6     16   8    89  John Carroll

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

41   116.0   22  12     22  12    45  Maryville, TN
42   115.1   24  17     24  17    22  DePauw
43   115.0   20   6     20   6   208  Cortland
44   115.0   16  15     16  17     6  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
45   114.9   21   3     23   3   299  St. Scholastica
46   114.9   23   9     23   9   158  Kean
47   114.7   25   8     25   8   201  Western New England
48   114.6   12   7     15   9    49  Ohio Northern
49   114.4   23  10     23  10   133  Hampden-Sydney
50   114.4   22   4     22   4   271  Fairleigh Dickinson-Madison
51   114.3   18  11     18  11    33  Rowan
52   114.2   18  12     20  13    30  Transylvania
53   113.9   19   9     20  10   112  Bowdoin
54   113.7   24   9     24   9   186  Mary Washington
55   113.7   14   6     17   8   147  Bates
56   113.6   20   5     21   5   252  Worcester State
57   113.6   16  11     16  11    46  Carthage
58   113.6   23  16     23  17    39  Christopher Newport
59   113.6   18   7     19   7   187  Concordia, IL
60   113.1    9   4     10   4   146  Macalester

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

61   113.0   23   8     24   8   203  Salisbury
62   112.8   21  13     22  14    65  Texas-Dallas
63   112.8   19  16     21  16    17  Rhodes
64   112.7   21   7     22   7   217  Alvernia
65   112.7   17   8     17   9   145  Widener
66   112.3   22  10     22  10   169  Curry
67   112.2   20  14     21  19    36  McMurry
68   112.2   17  11     18  12    62  Keene State
69   112.2   21  15     21  19    53  Hardin-Simmons
70   112.0   20   9     20   9   193  Thomas More
71   111.9   19  17     21  17    16  La Grange
72   111.8    9   3      9   3   245  Bethany Lutheran
73   111.8   20  16     20  16    34  Piedmont
74   111.8   17  13     17  13    38  Montclair State
75   111.6   18   6     18   6   221  Plattsburgh State
76   111.5   20  16     22  17    41  Mary Hardin-Baylor
77   111.4   16  10     17  10   103  Wheaton, Illinois
78   111.4   15   7     15   7   174  Oneonta
79   111.3   18  13     18  13    64  Menlo
80   111.0   15   5     16   6   243  Hope

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

81   111.0   21  12     21  12   143  York, PA
82   111.0   18   3     18   4   319  Webster
83   110.7   21   8     22   9   216  North Park
84   110.4   13  14     17  18    11  Puget Sound
85   110.1   18  18     19  19    24  Emory
86   110.0   15  10     15  10    99  Augustana, IL
87   109.8   19  13     21  13    93  Ferrum
88   109.7   19  14     19  15    81  Case Western Reserve
89   109.6   23  17     23  17    87  Bridgewater, VA
90   109.4   21  16     25  17    79  Averett
91   109.4   15   7     15   7   231  DeSales
92   109.3   12   7     12   8   157  St. Norbert
93   109.3   17   8     17   8   195  Worcester Tech
94   109.1   15   9     15  12   150  Otterbein
95   108.9   17  18     17  19    19  North Carolina Wesleyan
96   108.9   17  11     17  11   141  Massachusetts-Boston
97   108.7   16   6     18   6   255  Skidmore
98   108.7   14  21     14  21     3  Occidental
99   108.7   23  16     23  16   126  Lynchburg
100   108.6   17   8     17   8   242  Rockford

Look at where the ASC is located in the tables.

Seven schools in the top 76.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Interesting that the SoSs can be so different between the two systems.

Not really. One uses regional games, the other uses all games. (Or at least all D-III games. Not sure how Boyd works.)
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2010, 11:22:23 PM
I really believe that Boyd's is a fair representation of the strength of the ASC.

Mississippi College should be solidly in the Top 25.

UT-Tyler is just on the edge.

Texas Lutheran is just on the edge of a Top 25 Receiving Votes;  I honestly believe that there are 36 teams better than TLU. It may seen in the playoffs, if TLU goes "2 and BBQ" in a bracket that has the #1, #2, #3, #7, #10, and #14 teams in Boyd's statistical table.

The brutal aspect of the ASC West schedule is that #67, #69 and #76 are in a three-way tie for the West behind #37 TLU.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
If these numbers are anywhere accurate it points out the strength of schedule by teams in CA, TX and the Northwest....BUT because so few teams in the West Region(39) most years they get 6 not 7/8 teams into a regional.

Maybe teams in East Texas go to South Regional and West Texas to West Regional
to provide more Texas teams a chance to make it to Appleton. BUT  never happen with the NCAA.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2010, 12:25:30 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
If these numbers are anywhere accurate it points out the strength of schedule by teams in CA, TX and the Northwest....BUT because so few teams in the West Region(39) most years they get 6 not 7/8 teams into a regional.

Maybe teams in East Texas go to South Regional and West Texas to West Regional
to provide more Texas teams a chance to make it to Appleton. BUT  never happen with the NCAA.
The committee will send people where they need to send them.  Splitting Conference members, especially where a plane flight is involved, makes sense.  It is cheaper to fly a team north out of the ASC, than the expensive flight to the West Coast.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: ILVBB on April 29, 2010, 02:08:30 AM
What does that mean for a Trinity; either a 5-hour (including a plane change) flight to Portland or a 2 hour non-stop north to Chicago?
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2010, 02:27:08 AM
Quote from: ILVBB on April 29, 2010, 02:08:30 AM
What does that mean for a Trinity; either a 5-hour (including a plane change) flight to Portland or a 2 hour non-stop north to Chicago?
Actually a 150 mile bus trip to Augustana from Chicago after the 2 hour 40 minute flight.

5+ hour flight and a one hour bus ride.

Macht nichts!
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
The newest D-III ISRs.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed.

Score data is taken from the official NCAA site (linked here, although the last time I checked they haven't turned on this interface yet for 2010), which means that there are quite a few errors in here. This year I'm experimenting with a rule that a game must be listed for both teams in order to be counted. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

The top 100

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

  1   134.0   14   2     16   5    20  Linfield
  2   133.0   12   2     14   3    16  George Fox
  3   129.6   22   2     23   2    56  Texas-Tyler
  4   129.0   12   2     12   2    36  Marietta
  5   127.6   13   2     16   2    52  Birmingham-Southern
  6   127.6    9   2      9   2    32  Concordia, IL
  7   126.6    9   2      9   2    30  St. Olaf
  8   125.6   15   8     15  10     6  La Verne
  9   125.3    9   2      9   2    48  Coe
10   125.3   10   2     11   2    53  The College of New Jersey
11   125.2   14   5     14   5    24  Chapman
12   125.0   18   6     21   6    28  Trinity, TX
13   124.6   15   1     15   1   104  Shenandoah
14   123.7   16   6     20   6    26  Hardin-Simmons
15   122.5   18   5     18   6    54  Redlands
16   122.3   10   3     10   3    50  Heidelberg
17   121.8    8   3      8   3    34  Carthage
18   121.6   19   7     19   7    39  Millsaps
19   121.5   24   2     24   2   127  Christopher Newport
20   121.3    6   4     11   5     7  Pacific, Oregon

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

21   121.3    8   3      8   4    41  Johns Hopkins
22   121.0   14   7     15   8    22  California Lutheran
23   120.9    9   1      9   1   119  Thomas More
24   120.7   10   3     10   3    57  Kean
25   120.5    6   4      7   5     8  DeSales
26   119.4    9   4      9   5    43  Simpson
27   119.3    7   3      7   3    37  Webster
28   118.9   11   0     11   0   175  Alvernia
29   118.7   14   6     14   6    47  Pomona-Pitzer
30   118.5   14   9     16  10    15  Texas-Dallas
31   118.3   10   2     10   2   109  Augustana, IL
32   117.9    8   2      8   2    93  North Park
33   117.5    6   8      8   8     1  Pacific Lutheran
34   116.9   15   9     16  11    27  Texas Lutheran
35   115.7   14   9     14  11    33  Concordia-Austin
36   115.7    8   2      8   2   108  Babson
37   115.3    8   5     16   8    35  Louisiana College
38   115.1    9   5     18   6    44  Dallas
39   114.9    7   3      7   3    70  Brockport
40   114.2    9   3     10   3   100  Neumann

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

41   113.5   11   2     12   2   143  Central College, IA
42   113.3   14   9     14  11    49  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
43   113.1    9   1      9   1   167  Westminster, PA
44   112.8    9   4      9   4    87  Western New England
45   112.6    7   4      7   4    63  Rowan
46   112.1   14   6     14   6    89  Maryville, TN
47   111.6    6  10      9  11     2  Willamette
48   111.2   11   6     11   6    74  Huntingdon
49   111.2   17   9     17   9    77  Emory
50   111.1    7   5      7   5    58  Cortland
51   111.1    8  12     11  13     5  Mary Hardin-Baylor
52   110.9   15   8     15   8    88  Methodist
53   110.7    7   9      7   9    18  Mississippi College
54   110.4    8  10     11  11    14  Hendrix
55   110.3   12   9     12   9    51  Piedmont
56   110.2    9   4      9   4   106  Thiel
57   110.0    9   9      9   9    31  Wooster
58   109.7   12   8     12   8    67  Bridgewater, VA
59   109.4   11   3     11   3   157  Franklin
60   109.1   10   4     10   4   134  Haverford

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

61   108.4   10   4     10   4   133  Rose-Hulman
62   108.2    8   7      8   8    59  Puget Sound
63   108.2    9  12     11  13    19  Sul Ross State
64   108.2    9  12     13  12    17  Southwestern, TX
65   108.1    8   9     10  14    29  Whitworth
66   107.8   14   7     14   7   113  Case Western Reserve
67   107.6   12  10     12  10    55  Rhodes
68   107.6    6   4      6   4    86  Bethel, MN
69   107.2   10  13     11  14    23  Whittier
70   107.1    6  11      6  11     9  Wartburg
71   106.7    7   4      9   5   101  Manchester
72   106.2   10   6     10   7   103  Wittenberg
73   106.0   12  10     14  11    72  LeTourneau
74   105.6   12  10     12  10    73  La Grange
75   105.4   10   5     10   7   138  Frostburg State
76   104.8   11   7     12   7   123  Salisbury
77   104.7   11   5     11   5   159  Widener
78   104.4    9   5      9   5   130  Transylvania
79   104.3    6  12      8  13    10  Howard Payne
80   103.7    8   5      8   5   121  Clark, MA

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

81   103.5   13   5     13   5   168  Mary Washington
82   103.3    8   4      8   4   142  U.S. Coast Guard Academy
83   103.0   11   8     11   8   107  Oglethorpe
84   102.8    7   4      7   4   140  Spalding
85   102.8   11   4     11   4   180  Moravian
86   102.7   11   4     11   4   177  Penn State-Altoona
87   102.0    5   5      5   6    81  Allegheny
88   101.8   10   7     10  10   135  Washington and Lee
89   101.5    9   8      9   8    96  Denison
90   101.5    8   8      8   8    76  St. Mary's, MD
91   101.5    5   6      5   6    62  Augsburg
92   101.4    6   4      6   4   122  Wentworth Tech
93   101.2   12   6     13   6   169  Wesley
94   101.2   11   2     11   2   193  Richard Stockton
95   101.1    9  10      9  10    78  Ohio Wesleyan
96   101.0    7   7      7   7    79  Farmingdale State
97   100.8    7   7      7   7    94  Bluffton
98   100.7    6  16      6  18    12  Schreiner
99   100.6    7  12      7  13    42  Wabash
100   100.3   12  12     12  12    98  Randolph-Macon
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 08:11:58 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
The newest D-III ISRs.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed.

Score data is taken from the official NCAA site (linked here, although the last time I checked they haven't turned on this interface yet for 2010), which means that there are quite a few errors in here. This year I'm experimenting with a rule that a game must be listed for both teams in order to be counted. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.

The top 100

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

  1   134.0   14   2     16   5    20  Linfield
  2   133.0   12   2     14   3    16  George Fox
  3   129.6   22   2     23   2    56  Texas-Tyler
  4   129.0   12   2     12   2    36  Marietta
  5   127.6   13   2     16   2    52  Birmingham-Southern
  6   127.6    9   2      9   2    32  Concordia, IL
  7   126.6    9   2      9   2    30  St. Olaf
  8   125.6   15   8     15  10     6  La Verne
  9   125.3    9   2      9   2    48  Coe
10   125.3   10   2     11   2    53  The College of New Jersey
11   125.2   14   5     14   5    24  Chapman
12   125.0   18   6     21   6    28  Trinity, TX
13   124.6   15   1     15   1   104  Shenandoah
14   123.7   16   6     20   6    26  Hardin-Simmons
15   122.5   18   5     18   6    54  Redlands
16   122.3   10   3     10   3    50  Heidelberg
17   121.8    8   3      8   3    34  Carthage
18   121.6   19   7     19   7    39  Millsaps
19   121.5   24   2     24   2   127  Christopher Newport
20   121.3    6   4     11   5     7  Pacific, Oregon

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

21   121.3    8   3      8   4    41  Johns Hopkins
22   121.0   14   7     15   8    22  California Lutheran
23   120.9    9   1      9   1   119  Thomas More
24   120.7   10   3     10   3    57  Kean
25   120.5    6   4      7   5     8  DeSales
26   119.4    9   4      9   5    43  Simpson
27   119.3    7   3      7   3    37  Webster
28   118.9   11   0     11   0   175  Alvernia
29   118.7   14   6     14   6    47  Pomona-Pitzer
30   118.5   14   9     16  10    15  Texas-Dallas
31   118.3   10   2     10   2   109  Augustana, IL
32   117.9    8   2      8   2    93  North Park
33   117.5    6   8      8   8     1  Pacific Lutheran
34   116.9   15   9     16  11    27  Texas Lutheran
35   115.7   14   9     14  11    33  Concordia-Austin
36   115.7    8   2      8   2   108  Babson
37   115.3    8   5     16   8    35  Louisiana College
38   115.1    9   5     18   6    44  Dallas
39   114.9    7   3      7   3    70  Brockport
40   114.2    9   3     10   3   100  Neumann

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

41   113.5   11   2     12   2   143  Central College, IA
42   113.3   14   9     14  11    49  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
43   113.1    9   1      9   1   167  Westminster, PA
44   112.8    9   4      9   4    87  Western New England
45   112.6    7   4      7   4    63  Rowan
46   112.1   14   6     14   6    89  Maryville, TN
47   111.6    6  10      9  11     2  Willamette
48   111.2   11   6     11   6    74  Huntingdon
49   111.2   17   9     17   9    77  Emory
50   111.1    7   5      7   5    58  Cortland
51   111.1    8  12     11  13     5  Mary Hardin-Baylor
52   110.9   15   8     15   8    88  Methodist
53   110.7    7   9      7   9    18  Mississippi College
54   110.4    8  10     11  11    14  Hendrix
55   110.3   12   9     12   9    51  Piedmont
56   110.2    9   4      9   4   106  Thiel
57   110.0    9   9      9   9    31  Wooster
58   109.7   12   8     12   8    67  Bridgewater, VA
59   109.4   11   3     11   3   157  Franklin
60   109.1   10   4     10   4   134  Haverford

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

61   108.4   10   4     10   4   133  Rose-Hulman
62   108.2    8   7      8   8    59  Puget Sound
63   108.2    9  12     11  13    19  Sul Ross State
64   108.2    9  12     13  12    17  Southwestern, TX
65   108.1    8   9     10  14    29  Whitworth
66   107.8   14   7     14   7   113  Case Western Reserve
67   107.6   12  10     12  10    55  Rhodes
68   107.6    6   4      6   4    86  Bethel, MN
69   107.2   10  13     11  14    23  Whittier
70   107.1    6  11      6  11     9  Wartburg
71   106.7    7   4      9   5   101  Manchester
72   106.2   10   6     10   7   103  Wittenberg
73   106.0   12  10     14  11    72  LeTourneau
74   105.6   12  10     12  10    73  La Grange
75   105.4   10   5     10   7   138  Frostburg State
76   104.8   11   7     12   7   123  Salisbury
77   104.7   11   5     11   5   159  Widener
78   104.4    9   5      9   5   130  Transylvania
79   104.3    6  12      8  13    10  Howard Payne
80   103.7    8   5      8   5   121  Clark, MA

               D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

81   103.5   13   5     13   5   168  Mary Washington
82   103.3    8   4      8   4   142  U.S. Coast Guard Academy
83   103.0   11   8     11   8   107  Oglethorpe
84   102.8    7   4      7   4   140  Spalding
85   102.8   11   4     11   4   180  Moravian
86   102.7   11   4     11   4   177  Penn State-Altoona
87   102.0    5   5      5   6    81  Allegheny
88   101.8   10   7     10  10   135  Washington and Lee
89   101.5    9   8      9   8    96  Denison
90   101.5    8   8      8   8    76  St. Mary's, MD
91   101.5    5   6      5   6    62  Augsburg
92   101.4    6   4      6   4   122  Wentworth Tech
93   101.2   12   6     13   6   169  Wesley
94   101.2   11   2     11   2   193  Richard Stockton
95   101.1    9  10      9  10    78  Ohio Wesleyan
96   101.0    7   7      7   7    79  Farmingdale State
97   100.8    7   7      7   7    94  Bluffton
98   100.7    6  16      6  18    12  Schreiner
99   100.6    7  12      7  13    42  Wabash
100   100.3   12  12     12  12    98  Randolph-Macon

A large number of West Region teams are in the top of this list. Especially in the TOP 20 but the West  will still get only 6 teams come playoff time unless they ship a team to another region which has only happen once and that year 2 teams won their regional. The West region number of teams continues to shrink as teams have left in recent years to join NAIA and D2.
IMO West Region teams in SCAC conference should be sent to the South Regional not the West. That would free up 1 more spot to a team in the West. In past years 30 win teams sit at home in the West Region while teams with .500 are playing in other Regionals. NCAA math does not put the best 55 teams in regionals.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2011, 08:56:53 AM
Crash and for newbies to the boards, we get 6 teams playing in the "West Regional Tourney" because the 55 team format allows for a 6-team bracket to be played in this part of the country.  If the "baseball membership" of D-III were (64 bids times 6.5 teams /bid =)  416 teams, then the NCAA would fly a worthy foes into the West Region to complete an 8-team bracket.

If they move the SCAC into the South Evaluation Region, then those are fewer teams that the Regional Committee will be evaluating.  Moving those 5 SCAC teams to the South might cost us a regionally ranked team (15% of the Region membership) in the Regional Rankings.  The NCAA ranks 15% of the membership in the Region in the Regional Rankings.

The number of teams that will be playing in the Abilene Regional will be 6, but if we don't have Chapman or Dallas as a Pool B or C team, and we get no Pool C bids from the SCIAC, NWC, the SCAC or the ASC, then the NCAA will take our 4 Pool A members and fly 2 Pool C teams to Abilene from some other region, from some place else in the country.  This is very important to realize.

(In 2008, Linfield was a 7th West Region team in the playoffs. We had the 6-team bracket tourney in Abilene, and Linfiled as sent to the "Central" Region.  I am not sure of my years and dates, but I recall the general fact.  The West Region did not lose out because we only had a 6 team tourney hosted by one team in the region.)
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 10:21:13 AM
Thanks as always Ralph for the details. You always provide great insight. I just disagree with the current NCAA process even though it has been a great benefit to some Pool B teams and not to Pool C bids.

Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.

I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.

If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.

I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.

If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
I hear what you are saying. I will back off what I said a little. I agree with conferences winners. They won it on the field. Either by winning their conference or their conference tourney. The committee has no real say into these. I just hate when it takes committee's to make the choices for Pool B and Pool C with such complex criteria that is used. As always someone will always not be happy about the selection process. I would like them just to combine Pool B/Pool C into 1 at large Pool like D1 and D2. Then select the best teams nationally remaining from this pool regardless of region. Cost of course is the issue.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Crash, with your criteria the best teams are not in the D-I basketball tournament either. If it was about the best 55 teams (or 68 in this year's basketball) in the tournament, NCAA conferences wouldn't have one of their current (and necessary, in my opinion) functions.

I think the Committee has done a very good job each year in selecting the at-large baseball teams. If another at-large West team deserves to be there, like Linfield a few years ago, the NCAA has proven that the team will be there, flight money be damned.

If the complaint is fewer teams at the West regional, it's a matter of numbers on the D-III map. Look at how many NE and M-A teams there are compared to the West, Central and Midwest. There are some quality teams left out in the Midwest, too. That makes for some stacked six-team MW regionals most years. But if the MW has only 38 teams, there's no reason to think we'll have more than six teams at regionals. Well, maybe seven teams if bids and hosts work out perfectly.
I hear what you are saying. I will back off what I said a little. I agree with conferences winners. They won it on the field. Either by winning their conference or their conference tourney. The committee has no real say into these. I just hate when it takes committee's to make the choices for Pool B and Pool C with such complex criteria that is used. As always someone will always not be happy about the selection process. I would like them just to combine Pool B/Pool C into 1 at large Pool like D1 and D2. Then select the best teams nationally remaining from this pool regardless of region. Cost of course is the issue.
I like the committees. Not a baseball reference, but I like that a human can see how a Kenyon Martin injury affects a team's record. That's just an example. It would take a complex computer formula to take in contingencies like that. I think the dozen or so criteria in D-III baseball are fairly straight forward and thorough. It's much better than the ridiculous formula that formed the process a few years ago.

The Committee turns a potential math equation into an art, for sure. But I also think the Committee has been correct most of the time. Of course there are always a handful of teams at the end that are similar. I don't recall a year when the last few selections were obvious.

As far as combining the at-large pools, with two Pool B's there's not much difference in the outcome. Rarely, if ever, are there zero slam dunk Pool B baseball teams. At most the process will usually cost maybe one team a spot in years with two Pool B's. If we're talking four Pool B's, the case for combining pools could get better. That gets back to a cornerstone of NCAA conferences – access to championships. On the flip side, I think it's fair for the NCAA to set aside bids for schools in non-Pool A conferences. There are many reasons for schools to be in non-Pool A leagues. Not all of those reasons are by choice. Even if it is a choice, I still think Pool B is a valid alternative for those schools.

I know you know this, but I just wanted to clarify one thing in your post. At-large teams are selected on a national basis while using regional results (in the primary criteria). There are no regional minimums or maximums for at-large bids. In theory, all 17 at-large bids (15 Pool C, 2 Pool B) could go to Mideast Region teams.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2011, 01:41:44 PM
Too many fans only look at the tree instead of the forest. (Another soliloquy on the benefits of Pool B!)

Pool B is like one big conference for the independents and for teams that don't have enough members to earn an AQ.  The access ratio is the average of teams in the Pool A conferences.  It is as fair as they can make it.  Yes, some of the lower quality Pool B teams have formed Pool A conferences, but the Pool system has given stable structures over the last decade for schools to strengthen the opportunities for student athletes.  Good examples include the Landmark Conference, the NEAC, the UMAC and the NECC.

(The examples in football have been truly dramatic in the last 10-15 years!)

Pool B is a fair and systematic way for independents, small conferences, newly organizing conferences and new members to get access to the playoffs in all sports.  I have never seen a Pool B field in baseball where the last Pool B team wasn't better than at least a handful of the Pool A winners in the field.  The move to Pools has had the effect of prompting schools to align in conferences, and to add sports where access to a playoff bid is a possibility in their conference.

More schools have added sports (all sports, too) in D-III since the move to Pools System in the late 1990's.  IMHO, this has been a big win for D-III and student-athletes.

Look at the UMAC.  Was Bethany Lutheran ever likely to get Pool B ahead of St Scholastica over the course of a season?  Now, BLC can beat CSS on the field in the conference tourney and get the Pool A bid from the UMAC.  The 8 schools in the UMAC came from Pool B; one fewer Pool B bid was awarded and another Pool A bid "took its place".

If there were only 2 Pool B bids, and you were considering adding a sport where the competition for the 2 Pool B bids were: Chapman, Emory, Wash StL and Ithaca, wouldn't you have a second thought as to how smart that might be?  UDallas is glad to be out of Pool B and into a conference.  The UAA has other agendae in its conference.  They will get a Pool B bid when they are good enough, which is often.

Currently, what if you are Lesley and adding baseball makes your conference (the New England Collegiate Conference -- NECC) a full Pool A member that now gets an AQ?  25 more D-III student-athletes get a chance at baseball at Lesley's new program, and a new conference with 7 teams, and possibly growing, now can look forward to an NCAA bid!)


And Oshdude's [aka Ricky Nelson] simultaneous post is also excellent!  :)



2012 update...  See below.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 01:51:12 PM
Ralph and Oshdude both excellent posts and information. Thanks for the detail on this. I just disagree with the PoolB/PoolC process as is. But that is my opinion but I respect the views of others and hear their points. I belief it would be better to combine Pool B and Pool C into one at large pool like D1, DII do. I also believe that the at large pool should be the best of those who did not get a Pool A bid. My opinion of course. Cost is also a issue like always.

Human factor with committee's is important. See the mess the BCS has with its computers. I think a more simplified formula for DIII selection would also be better also.  Overall DIII W-L with OWP, and should be enough in my opinion.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 30, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
I may be a writer, but I'm a slow typer. ;)

Yours was the better post, by the way. Far more angles. And smarter angles.
Title: Re: Boyd's ISR rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
2012 Update...

Chapman joined the SCIAC and has left Pool B.

The Southern Athletic Association (SAA) including Birmingham-Southern will be in Pool B in 2013 and 2014. They will get their Pool A in 2015.

From where does that Pool A bid come?  The SAA and the SCAC will have 2 bids in 2015.

The NCAA gives one bid for every 6.5 schools sponsoring a sport.

Three new schools have joined D-III over the time period...Birmingham-Southern, Berry GA and Centenary.  (There is 3/ 6.5 or 6/13ths of bid).

The SCAC teams who were left over from DePauw moving to the NCAC have:

--split into in the SAA...6 former SCAC teams plus B-SC and Berry.  Those 8 schools have genuinely earned the new bid just like the Landmark Conference schools did about 4 years ago.

--The remaining SCAC teams have added UDallas out of Pool B, added Centenary from D-I, and "taken" Texas Lutheran and Schreiner from the 15 team ASC.  The ASC was way too big, but there was little in the way of options to be anything else but a 15-team conference.  The ASC membership was providing the numerical basis for 2.31 (15 divided by 6.5) bids in D-III. The ASC did not earn a Pool C bid most years, so all of D-III was "getting" the extra bid in the form of Pool C and a slightly higher access ratio for Pool B determination.

In 2013 the SAA will have 7 teams counting towards Pool B. Berry should be a full member in 2014-2015). The SCAC keeps its Pool A bid for 2 years so it can boost its membership, with the three new schools. (Centenary should be a full member in academic year 2014-15.)

The result of the changes in the South was that in 2010, the SCAC and the ASC had 25 schools playing baseball as full members.  They have added 4 new Pool A schools and seen DePauw go to the NCAC and McMurry go to D-II.

Those 27 schools will have 3 bids in 2015: the 8-team SAA, the 7-team SCAC (Colorado College does not play baseball.) and the 12-team ASC.