Future of Division III

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Quote from: Just Bill on January 22, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Great South gets even bigger in numbers and geography:

http://www.greatsouth.org/news/2013/1/14/SB_0114131528.aspx?path=wsoc

Finlandia (Mich. in da U.P. der hey!)
Mills (Oakland, Calif.)
Maine-Presque Isle

Maine to Georgia to Michigan to California? You win GSAC, you win.

I'm assuming they won't play a regular season schedule, they'll just get together for the most unusual post-season tournament in the country. The GSAC will already be including Finlandia for softball this spring.
When are they going to add men's sports?  Rename it the Title IX Conference. ::)
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Quote from: Gray Fox on January 22, 2013, 11:39:34 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 22, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Great South gets even bigger in numbers and geography:

http://www.greatsouth.org/news/2013/1/14/SB_0114131528.aspx?path=wsoc

Finlandia (Mich. in da U.P. der hey!)
Mills (Oakland, Calif.)
Maine-Presque Isle

Maine to Georgia to Michigan to California? You win GSAC, you win.

I'm assuming they won't play a regular season schedule, they'll just get together for the most unusual post-season tournament in the country. The GSAC will already be including Finlandia for softball this spring.
When are they going to add men's sports?  Rename it the Title IX Conference. ::)
Covenant and Huntingdon depart for the USA South next year.  Spelman gave up intercollegiate athletics.

It really depletes Pool B. In fact, it is almost the de facto Pool B "play-in" tournament.

I wonder if we won't see a few more Pool B women's teams migrate into the GSAC.  Rust?  UC Santa Cruz?  New Rochelle?  Presentation may not have the budget.


Ralph Turner

What sports will Mills bring?  V'ball, Soccer and Tennis?

(Rowing, XC and Swimming are  the other sports that they offer at Mills.)

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2013, 12:15:10 AM
What sports will Mills bring?  V'ball, Soccer and Tennis?

(Rowing, XC and Swimming are  the other sports that they offer at Mills.)

I'll assume that is budgetary.  With the possible exception of rowing (those boats ain't cheap!) those are probably the least expensive sports one can offer.

Captain_Joe08

Quote from: Just Bill on January 22, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Great South gets even bigger in numbers and geography:

http://www.greatsouth.org/news/2013/1/14/SB_0114131528.aspx?path=wsoc

Finlandia (Mich. in da U.P. der hey!)
Mills (Oakland, Calif.)
Maine-Presque Isle

Maine to Georgia to Michigan to California? You win GSAC, you win.

I'm assuming they won't play a regular season schedule, they'll just get together for the most unusual post-season tournament in the country. The GSAC will already be including Finlandia for softball this spring.

Are they following the Big East model of conference re-alignment? They are the Division III version of the Great West Conference.
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Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2013, 12:15:10 AM
What sports will Mills bring?  V'ball, Soccer and Tennis?

(Rowing, XC and Swimming are  the other sports that they offer at Mills.)

I didn't think that there was any college in America that played intercollegiate sports that didn't have a basketball team.
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Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
This isn't a conference, it's a joke.  If you're not playing each other except in a tournament it hardly seems D3ish.

Is that even allowed.  It seems like they could all just be independent and play in an independent's tournament.
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2013, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2013, 12:15:10 AM
What sports will Mills bring?  V'ball, Soccer and Tennis?

(Rowing, XC and Swimming are  the other sports that they offer at Mills.)

I didn't think that there was any college in America that played intercollegiate sports that didn't have a basketball team.
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Quote from: Steve Wiitala on January 23, 2013, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
This isn't a conference, it's a joke.  If you're not playing each other except in a tournament it hardly seems D3ish.

Is that even allowed.

Of course it is. How a conference runs its schedule is its own affair. That's why the NESCAC, for instance, only plays a single round-robin in basketball, and does not participate in the post-season in football.
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Quote from: Steve Wiitala on January 23, 2013, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
This isn't a conference, it's a joke.  If you're not playing each other except in a tournament it hardly seems D3ish.

Is that even allowed.  It seems like they could all just be independent and play in an independent's tournament.

It's allowed (why is another matter).  The Univ of Dallas used to participate in the NEAC as a tourney participant only.  The advantage of doing it this way is that the conference, if it has enough schools, earns automatic playoff bids.  Not so for an independent tournament.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2013, 11:26:09 PMThe advantage of doing it this way is that the conference, if it has enough schools, earns automatic playoff bids.  Not so for an independent tournament.

That's true, although in some sports the Pool B field is now so small that it honestly doesn't make any difference one way or the other. But there may be sports in which that is not the case.
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2013, 12:15:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2013, 11:26:09 PMThe advantage of doing it this way is that the conference, if it has enough schools, earns automatic playoff bids.  Not so for an independent tournament.

That's true, although in some sports the Pool B field is now so small that it honestly doesn't make any difference one way or the other. But there may be sports in which that is not the case.
What the manuever for UDallas did was to permit the NEAC to hold onto its Pool A bid while it added schools that were in the provisional period.

If we look at the history of the NEAC, it has been the conference that spawned other successful programs that have migrated to other conferences.  The NEAC gave them their start.  The NEAC had 5 members back about 8-10 years ago.  Now it is up to 13.

The women's in the south and east need some help.  A conference gives structure and stability to the programs. I don't have a problem with what the GSAC is doing.

Mills has been an orphan.  Trinity DC was in the old Atlantic Women's CC before it disbanded.

GSAC Men never took off and finally they just moved into the USA South.

I can understand how this stabilizes these women's conferences.  It is drawing down from Pool B, which is almost below the threshhold for 1 bid in several sports anyway.  The less competitive schools now have access thru the conference tourney to the NCAA post-season tourney.  Inside Pool B, their season might otherwise be over after 10 games with no hope if they improve.