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Title: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 19, 2008, 01:29:14 PM
Hey guys, I'm still waiting for two polls to roll in. Once they get in, I will post the poll immediately. I hope to have it up by the end of the weekend, but if the people whose polls are missing are on vacation for the holidays, there's only so much I can do.

As a little bit of a preview, I can tell you this:

-Ithaca, UR and NYU are the only teams to appear on everyone's poll.

-As a  result, barring anything crazy in the last two polls, those will be the top three ranked teams (not necessarily in that order, though)

-As should be expected with a lot of OOC games, very little head-to-head and not many common opponents, the polls were all over the map after the top three or four. In fact, I don't think there has been anything close to a duplicate poll. Again, not surprising.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: thebear on December 20, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Surprised that SLU wasn't included on all cards. Veteran team, with excellent first year adds.  Beat Middlebury who is ARV.  Came back from 20 down vs. Ithaca to pull within 1.  Don't see a huge gap between SLU & Ithaca as far as talent or depth.

Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 20, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: thebear on December 20, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Surprised that SLU wasn't included on all cards. Veteran team, with excellent first year adds.  Beat Middlebury who is ARV.  Came back from 20 down vs. Ithaca to pull within 1.  Don't see a huge gap between SLU & Ithaca as far as talent or depth.



Agreed. They were only left off one ballot so far. Their two losses came against teams currently ranked #13 (Ursinus) and #19, respectively, and both were close. I'm sure that will correct itself over time.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 22, 2008, 02:37:13 AM
gb15

Why not just post the poll based on the responses you have. It looks like the 2 missing pollsters aren't going to adhere to the deadline, didn't get your messages, or just don't care. At least we'll have a starting point for the next poll, which I'm assuming will now be on Sunday, Dec. 28th.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 22, 2008, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 22, 2008, 02:37:13 AM
gb15

Why not just post the poll based on the responses you have. It looks like the 2 missing pollsters aren't going to adhere to the deadline, didn't get your messages, or just don't care. At least we'll have a starting point for the next poll, which I'm assuming will now be on Sunday, Dec. 28th.

I am going to give them until the 27th to submit their polls. I'm not sure what the deal is since both messaged me back very quickly with their interest in participating. In the event they don't submit the poll by then, I'm going to have to start looking for new pollsters.

Next poll will be due Sunday, January 4th. No point in submitting another one next weekend, not much basketball will have been played between the polls.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 24, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Now down to only one missing poll. Where are ya, Shooters?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 24, 2008, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on December 24, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Now down to only one missing poll. Where are ya, Shooters?

Why don't you submit a poll in his place. Then you'll have your 10 opinions and you can post the results. Since we've been waiting 10 days for the results, and in less than 2 hours it'll be Christmas, it will be our Christmas present. ;)

When we do the Top 25 posters poll, Mr Y waits until Monday and then post the results, regardless of how many polls he has received. It's only fair that the guys who put the effort into ranking the teams get to see the results before 2 weeks go by. If Shooters is too busy at this time, then go without him. I'm sure he'll probably catch us next time. And as I stated before you should really add your poll in the mix every week. I don't think anyone will feel you're compromising the poll if you vote. Just a thought.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 25, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 24, 2008, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on December 24, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Now down to only one missing poll. Where are ya, Shooters?

Why don't you submit a poll in his place. Then you'll have your 10 opinions and you can post the results. Since we've been waiting 10 days for the results, and in less than 2 hours it'll be Christmas, it will be our Christmas present. ;)

When we do the Top 25 posters poll, Mr Y waits until Monday and then post the results, regardless of how many polls he has received. It's only fair that the guys who put the effort into ranking the teams get to see the results before 2 weeks go by. If Shooters is too busy at this time, then go without him. I'm sure he'll probably catch us next time. And as I stated before you should really add your poll in the mix every week. I don't think anyone will feel you're compromising the poll if you vote. Just a thought.

I'm giving in and becoming the 10th voter for this week. Hopefully, Shooters will be around after the holidays and he will be our 10th pollster. I will work on finishing the poll when I get a minute here and there throughout the day. Should have it posted by tonight for your Christmas (or Holiday) viewing pleasure.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 25, 2008, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on December 25, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 24, 2008, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on December 24, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Now down to only one missing poll. Where are ya, Shooters?

Why don't you submit a poll in his place. Then you'll have your 10 opinions and you can post the results. Since we've been waiting 10 days for the results, and in less than 2 hours it'll be Christmas, it will be our Christmas present. ;)


I'm giving in and becoming the 10th voter for this week. Hopefully, Shooters will be around after the holidays and he will be our 10th pollster. I will work on finishing the poll when I get a minute here and there throughout the day. Should have it posted by tonight for your Christmas (or Holiday) viewing pleasure.


Good man!  Plus K
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 25, 2008, 06:46:55 PM
East Region Fan Poll - Poll #1





#School (1st votes)RecordPtsNext Games
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
8-0
80
at Elmira, at Alfred
2NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
6-0
61
vs Rivier, vs TBA
3Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
6-2
52
at #7 Clarkson, at Brandeis
4St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
4-2
43
at Widener, at TBA
5Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
5-2
23
vs Middlebury, at Connecticut College
6Oneonta State (http://d3hoops.com/school/ONTA/mens/2009)
7-3
22
vs Utica, at #2 NYU
7Clarkson (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLRKS/mens/2009)
6-1
19
vs Hilbert, vs #3 Rochester
8Geneseo State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GEN/mens/2009)
5-2
14
vs Medaille, at Pitt-Bradford

Others Receiving votes:      

Stevens (13)
Potsdam State (11)
Oswego State (9)
Fisher (6)
Fredonia State (4)
Nazareth (3)



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

NYU (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 4, 2)

Rochester (3, 4, 3, 5, 5, 2, 2, 7, 3, 4)

St. Lawrence (8, 3, 7, 3, 3, -, 5, 4, 2, 3)

Hamilton (-, -, 6, 7, -, -, 3, 5, 6, 5)

Oneonta (4, -, 5, 4, -, 4, 8, -, -, -)

Clarkson (6, 5, -, -, 6, 5, 7, -, -, 6)

Geneseo (-, -, -, 6, 4, -, -, 3, -, -)
________________________________________

Stevens (7, 7, 4, 8, -, 6, -, -, -, -)

Potsdam (-, 8, 8, -, 7, 7, 6, -, -, 7)

Oswego (-, -, -, -, 8, 8, -, 2, -, -)

Fisher (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 8, 5, 8 )

Fredonia (5, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Nazareth (-, 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on December 26, 2008, 11:55:55 PM
Cool gb15 - I too am surprised by some of the voting, especially only 1 e-8 team in the top ten.  Thought Hartwick & St John Fisher &  Stevens & perhaps even Utica might have cracked the top ten.  Very difficult after the top four to gage voting apparently.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 27, 2008, 07:36:27 AM
Quote from: with age came? on December 26, 2008, 11:55:55 PM
Cool gb15 - I too am surprised by some of the voting, especially only 1 e-8 team in the top ten.  Thought Hartwick & St John Fisher &  Stevens & perhaps even Utica might have cracked the top ten.  Very difficult after the top four to gage voting apparently.

Well, in all fairness Utica is 3-2, SJF has only played 4 games, Hartwick, with the exception of the Oneonta win, has played a pretty soft schedule, and Stevens got some love.  This poll has a pretty limited baseline that will improve with time.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: thebear on December 27, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
David Wilson has picked up where Massey left off and has computerized D-III team rankings

site:

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

East Region Rankings

NYU 1
Ithaca 3
SLU 30
Stevens 42
Clarkson 45
Potsdam 47
Rochester 50
St. John Fisher 54

Fan Poll is pretty much right on, not sure why Geneseo is ranked as high as 3 with a loss to Potsdam (playing without their best big).

Clarkson vs. Rochester should be pretty revealing as to how good the Knights really are.

Will be interesting to compare as more games get added.

Happy New Year
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on December 28, 2008, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: thebear on December 27, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
David Wilson has picked up where Massey left off and has computerized D-III team rankings

site:

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

East Region Rankings

NYU 1
Ithaca 3
SLU 30
Stevens 42
Clarkson 45
Potsdam 47
Rochester 50
St. John Fisher 54

Fan Poll is pretty much right on, not sure why Geneseo is ranked as high as 3 with a loss to Potsdam (playing without their best big).

Clarkson vs. Rochester should be pretty revealing as to how good the Knights really are.

Will be interesting to compare as more games get added.

Happy New Year

Essentially, Stevens is the #8 team in that poll. That one #3 vote for Geneseo is a bit of an outlier and catapulted them by the Ducks.  Fisher and Utica were both hurt by lack of games, I think.

Pollsters--don't forget, next poll should be sent to me on Sunday, January 4th. We should know a bit more by then.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bearnation on December 28, 2008, 11:09:03 AM
The computerized DIII poll has the correct win lose records however they have not updated changes in the conferences such as Stevens still is the SKYLINE Conference and SUNYIT still in the SUNYAC.  Hard to accept a poll when one doesn't do their homework! I guess this is why we play the games.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 28, 2008, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: bearnation on December 28, 2008, 11:09:03 AM
The computerized DIII poll has the correct win lose records however they have not updated changes in the conferences such as Stevens still is the SKYLINE Conference and SUNYIT still in the SUNYAC.  Hard to accept a poll when one doesn't do their homework! I guess this is why we play the games.

bearnation,

Concerning David Wilson's computerized rankings:

I noticed those errors, and about 8 or 9 more and e-mailed Mr. Wilson with a list of updates and conference moves. Hopefully, there will be some corrections made in the next week or so. Some of the biggest errors involved the Pennslyvania Athletic Conference which has changed names and a number of schools(now known as The Colonial States Athletic Conference, The Skyline Conference which has numerous drops and adds,  The Middle Atlantic Conference, which is really 2 separate conferences(MAC-Freedom(MACF) and MAC Commonwealth(MACC)), has changed considerably. Not to mention the Landmark Conference, which formed several years ago out of many schools that were originally in the Middle Atlantic Conference. The North Eastern Athletic Conference(NEAC) was not listed and a number of their teams were listed as independents. There were some others as well and I only looked at the eastern part of the country so there may be more. 

Can't be too hard on Mr. Wilson as this undertaking must involve an enormous amount of work. I think it just needs a bit of fine tuning.


Anyone else notice The University of Dallas in Texas is a member of the North Eastern Athletic Conference yet plays no conference games and gets to participate in the conference tournament because all 9 teams are in the playoffs(#8 seed plays #9 seed in a play-in game) . What's up with that?

D3Hoops is also still showing SUNYIT in the conference standings of SUNYAC, as well as the NEAC standings.  Maybe Pat will read this and delete them from the SUNYAC ;)     
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
UDallas and the NEAC (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008-09-12) -- D3hoops.com Notables.


Magicman asked me to share info from an email.

QuoteYes, UDallas is an affiliate in the NEAC in selected sports for at least a couple of seasons.

I spoke with their AD last weekend.  UDallas left the ASC in 2001 as it went in a different direction from the ASC.  They have not received an invitation to join the SCAC. (They hope for the word, "yet").  I think that these discussions arose thru relationships that have arisen out of the Association of D-III Independents, where most of these schools were prior to this consolidation into conferences.

I agree with the strategy that has been executed.  The NEAC is in need of teams to retain the AQ until they can acquire new ones in the geographic region.  If you will recall, the NEAC started out as 12 teams.  Most of those charter members have been inivited to "fancier" dances, so to speak.  As the Villa Julie's, Philly Bible's, Keystone, Chestnut Hill (to D2), Baptist Bible's, SUNY-Purchase's, Bard's and Polytechnic's went elsewhere, the conference (NEAC) and UDallas devised this strategy.  (I sometimes wonder if it wasn't UDallas' AD Dick Strockbine who masterminded this.)  There are several schools in the Penn State System that are formalizing their athletics programs from a club/USCAA level into D-III that are moving into the NEAC.  I think that is the ultimate solution for the NEAC.

In the meantime, UDallas is the interim solution for the NEAC and their AQ.  I think that it works for UDallas, too.  I believe that UDallas will do well with respect to athletic success and AQ's relative to Pool B.  They are my favorite for the Men's AQ, to be determined by the post-season tourney.  As for schedules, I think that UDallas will schedule a few games in 2009-10.


http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2004/02/03/neacs-final-lineup-set-at-12.html



As for the wealth of D3 knowledge in this site's archives, it is priceless.  Check out the search features for the message boards and the notables if you have a question!  ;)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 28, 2008, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
UDallas and the NEAC (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008-09-12) -- D3hoops.com Notables.

Ralph,

I know you're good but MINDREADING!! I had barely finished my personal message to you about posting the UDallas-NEAC explanation you sent me on this board and when I look you've already posted the link.  Figures that D3 Hoops had this story but I wasn't to active back in September and missed it. Thanks for your help. Plus k.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2009, 01:46:58 AM
The Bad:

Tough losses tonight for St. Lawrence and Potsdam State. Both teams played decent opponents, but they needed to win those games to have any hope of getting noticed in the Top 25 poll. Potsdam lost to undefeated Skyline Conference leader St. Joseph's(L.I.) 76-73 down in Orlando Fla, but St Joe's 8-0 record has come at the expense of 6 pretty bad teams. The Skyline Conference is one of the weakest rated conferences in Division 3.  They do own an 82-61 win over RIT and now Potsdam as their 2 best wins.

St. Lawrence got beat 97-93 by an 8-3 Widener team out of the Middle Atlantic Conference (Commonwealth Division). Widener owns a victory over Gettysburg, when they were ranked #15 in the Top 25 poll. This loss doesn't kill St. Lawrence's chances of ever getting noticed but with the Saints and Potsdam both having 3 losses this early it'll be tough to climb over the dozens of teams with 1 or 2 losses just to make the "others receiving votes".

The Ugly:

Stevens getting pounded by an underachieving (so far) 2-6 Nazareth team tonight 98-75 certainly won't bring them any love.

The Good:

On the plus side, a win by Ithaca on Sunday against Alfred would move the Bombers to 10-0 and with the large number of Top 25 teams losing this week along with the fact that there are only 11 undefeated teams left in D 3 hoops they will certainly move up a few spots in the next poll due out on Jan 5th which will include all games through Sunday the 4th. I think they will probably check in at #15 leaping over Illinois Wesleyan and Ursinus who both dropped a game on Tuesday the 30th. Several other teams just above them could lose on Sat. or Sun and the Bombers might make it as high as #13 Seven of those undefeated teams are ranked in the Top 25 and 2 others Millikin (34 pts) and Franklin&Marshall (2 pts) are in the "others receiving votes". Only NYU and the above mentioned St. Joe's are undefeated teams that have failed to garner a single mention. While NYU's schedule hasn't  been as tough as Ithaca's, it's certainly been more difficult than St. Joe's. NYU has played 6 teams with a winning record including Stevens 7-3, Conn. College 6-3, and 9-3 Baruch who pounded St Mary's (Md) when they were undefeated at 7-0 and  ranked #14 in the country. Baruch was down 35-25 against St Mary's early in the 2nd half and went on a 33-6 run to take control and win by a 73-54 score. I think NYU will probably get some votes this week but not enough to crack the Top 25. Fisher's big win over now #20 St. Mary's could knock them right out of the Top 25 and if Fisher can beat Stevens on Saturday they will also grab a few votes in  this upcoming poll on Monday.   

Since I first posted this on Friday night 5 more unbeaten teams have been knocked off leaving only 6.  NYU at 8-0 just might get lucky now and crack the Top 25. Notice I said might, not will. But they will get some support at the very least.

And with #11 Elms losing today Ithaca may get into the #14 spot. Also think St. John Fisher, with 4 wins in 6 days to get to 7-1, will be in the ORV category.

     
   
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 03, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
All, don't forget to send me your polls tomorrow evening. Thanks. I think we're going to see quite a shake-up.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 04, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
Fellas, just need polls from: Bamm, Caz, Magicman, With age came? Just send those over when you get a chance.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2009, 11:58:39 PM
GB 15

I sent mine around 11 PM. Let me know if you didn't get it. Having some computer problems.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 05, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
My poll should be on its way through the series of tubes right now.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 05, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
East Region Fan Poll - East Region Fan Poll #2 (through 1/4/09)






#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
10-0
80
1
vs Utica, vs Nazareth, at RIT
2NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
8-0
65
2
vs #5 Oneonta State, vs Carnegie Mellon, vs #4 Rochester
3St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
7-1
53
NR
at RIT, at Utica, at Elmira
4Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
6-2
48
3
at #6 Clarkson, at Brandeis, at #2 NYU
5Oneonta State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ONTA/mens/2009)
8-3
30
6
at #2 NYU, at Brockport State
6Clarkson (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLRKS/mens/2009)
7-1
22
7
vs #4 Rochester, at Cortland State, vs Oswego State
7St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
5-3
21
4
at Oswego State, at Brockport State
8Geneseo State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GEN/mens/2009)
6-2
19
8
at Pitt-Bradford, vs Cortland State, at New Paltz State

Others Receiving votes:      

Hamilton (8 )
Oswego State (6)
Fredonia State (3)
RIT (3)
Hartwick (2)

Dropping out: #5 Hamilton



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

NYU (2, 6, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2)

St. John Fisher (3, 2, 3, 4, 3, 4, 4, 3, 7, 4)

Rochester (4, 7, 4, 3, 4, 3, 2, 6, 4, 5)

Oneonta (5, -, 8, 5, 6, 6, 6, 4, 8, 3)

Clarkson (8, -, 5, 6, 5, 5, -, 8, 6, 7)

St. Lawrence (7, 5, -, 7, 8, 7, 7, 5, 5, -)

Geneseo (-, 4, 7, 8, -, 8, 8, 7, 3, 8 )
__________________________________

Hamilton (6, 8, -, -, -, -, 5, -, -, -)

Oswego (-, 3, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Fredonia (-, -, 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

RIT (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 6)

Hartwick (-, -, -, -, 7, -, -, -, -, -)


Key Regional Games This Week:

#4 Rochester @ #6 Clarkson (1/5)
#5 Oneonta @ #2 NYU (1/6)
#4 Rochester @ #2 NYU (1/11)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 05, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
Clarkson rallies from 18 down against UR and gets within 1 at 66-65 with 15 secs left only to come up short 71-67. UR goes up 68-65 on 2 Mike Chmielowiec FT's and Knights Brandon Litton's layup cuts it to 1 again. Clarkson fouls and UR makes 1 of 2 with 6 secs. left. Clarkson with 1 last chance turns the ball over and UR makes 2 more FT's to end it. Tough loss for the Knights but shows they can hang with some of the better teams in the East.   
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 05, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
I give Clarkson a lot of credit or scheduling some good opponents for their OOC schedule: Rochester, Oswego, Cortland, Potsdam, Plattsburgh. Some of those teams are down this year, but nobody knows that when the games are scheduled a year or two in advance. Can't say Clarkson is ducking anyone.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
gb15

Good job with the poll. Seems like most everybody was on the same page. Enough space between the top 5 teams so that a single outlier vote wouldn't skew the results, had that happened.

Interesting that the computer rankings at this website are once again pretty darn close to ours.

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml  

Their East Region rankings as of Jan. 4th look like this: Number following team is their national ranking.

1. Ithaca       6
2. NYU           11
3. SJF            19
4. UR             52
5. SLU           69
6. Oneonta   71
7. Clarkson   76
8. Geneseo   85
9. Hamilton   92
10 Potsdam  94
10 Fredonia  94
12 Stevens   127
13 RIT           153
14 Hartwick   170  

Bear,

These rankings aren't compiled by David Wilson. They are put together by a guy named Cody Kirkpatrick using a computer rating system that was developed by David Wilson. There were numerous errors in the conference listings as they hadn't been updated in 3 or 4 years. I sent him corrections for 17 different conferences and he made the changes almost immediately. If you or anyone else see an error, he would appreciate it if you would let him know. There is a link on the front page of the website that you can click on to send him an e-mail.    
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
Interesting matchups on tap for tonight. Outcomes could scramble regional rankings.
                                                                    Winners
Middlebury at Plattsburgh St. 8PM              Middlebury 68-64
Oneonta at #32 NYU 7PM                           NYU  62-55
Clarkson at Cortland St. 6PM                      Clarkson 55-54 2OT
Keene St. at New Paltz St. 7PM                  New Paltz 73-70
Hobart at Buffalo St. 8PM                            Buffalo St 77-67           
St. Lawrence at Oswego St. 8PM                St. Lawrence 90-87

Empire 8 Action

Utica College at #12 Ithaca 8PM                 Ithaca 87-64   
#34 St. John Fisher at RIT 8PM                   RIT 56-36
Elmira at Alfred 8PM                                    Alfred 90-65
Massachusetts College at Hartwick 7PM     Postponed  Re-scheduled Feb.11th

Also

Hamilton at Connecticut College 6PM          Conn.College 69-50
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bamm on January 07, 2009, 09:40:57 AM
Whoever put RIT at #6 in their poll looks much wiser this morning (I swear it wasn't me).
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 07, 2009, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: bamm on January 07, 2009, 09:40:57 AM
Whoever put RIT at #6 in their poll looks much wiser this morning (I swear it wasn't me).

I debated putting RIT in mine, but settled on another team at #8. RIT could make a meteoric rise if they knock off Ithaca at home on Sunday. All the makings for an upset are there: road game, 5th game in 9 days for IC, not using Bostic enough. Regardless of the result, I think RIT will probably make it onto my ballot next week.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 07, 2009, 12:29:43 PM
I think I ranked RIT - I figured 4-0 in the E8 had to count for something.  Now 5-0 with a bushwhacking of Fisher certainly does.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2009, 10:09:31 PM
Univ. of Rochester's stock rises with a 73-69 road win at Brandeis to improve to 8-2.

NYU falls from the unbeaten ranks losing at home to Carnegie Mellon 78-57. Up 62-54 with 4:17 to go,  the Tartans close out the Violets with a 16-3 finish.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2009, 10:16:21 PM
In SUNYAC action tonight:

Fredonia 66, Plattsburgh 59
Geneseo 84, Cortland 61
Buffalo St. 83, Potsdam 63
New Paltz 100, Morrisville 53
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 11, 2009, 04:33:34 PM
Guys, don't forget to send your polls to me this evening.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 11, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
It will be interesting to see what the ballots look like this week. How far does NYU fall after two double-digit losses at home to Rochester and Carnegie-Mellon, lending credence to many's skepticism? Where does RIT appear on the poll after upsetting Ithaca and hammering Fisher? Do the Bombers keep their strangle hold on the #1 spot? Does UR close the gap or pass the Bombers after going 3-0 this week with victories over Clarkson, Brandeis and NYU, but despite losing the head-to-head matchup to the Bombers?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on January 12, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
Sorry guys, I was out of town last night.  Sending my poll in right now.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 12, 2009, 02:57:26 PM
East Region Fan Poll #3 (through 1/11/09)




#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 9 )
12-1
78
1
vs Potsdam, at Hartwick
2Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009) ( 1 )
9-2
69
4
vs Keuka, vs TBD, vs TBD
3RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
8-3
60
NR
vs Nazareth, vs TBD, vs TBD
4NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
9-2
38
2
vs Wesleyan, at Brandeis
5Clarkson (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLRKS/mens/2009)
9-2
32
6
at Union, at Skidmore
6St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
9-2
31
3
vs Roberts Wesleyan, vs TBD, vs TBD
7St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
7-3
24
7
at Skidmore, at Union
8Oneonta State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ONTA/mens/2009)
9-4
17
5
at Plattsburgh, at Potsdam

Others Receiving votes:      

Fredonia State (10)
Geneseo State (1)


Dropping out: #8 Geneseo State



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

Rochester (2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4, 2, 2, 2)

RIT (3, 2, 3, 3, 4, 3, 2, 3, 4, 3)

NYU (6, 4, 8, 7, -, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4)

Clarkson (5, 8, 5, 4, 5, 7, 5, 6, 7, 6)

St. John Fisher (7, 6, 4, 5, -, 5, 6, 7, 5, 5)

St. Lawrence (4, 7, 6, -, 3, 6, -, 5, 8, -)

Oneonta (-, 5, -, 6, 6, 8, 8, -, 6, 7)
__________________________________________________

Fredonia (8, -, 7, 8, 7, -, 7, 8, -, 8 )

Geneseo (-, -, -, -, 8, -, -, -, -, -)


Key Regional Games This Week:

J.P. Morgan Chase Scholarship Tournament (1/14-1/17)
Potsdam State @ #1 Ithaca (1/13)
#4 NYU @ Brandeis (1/17)

Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 12, 2009, 06:58:49 PM
People were all over the map with St. Lawrence. They received a vote for each slot between third and eighth, while being left off of other ballots. I put them #4 because I don't think they have any bad losses and have a good record against non-ranked teams.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2009, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on January 12, 2009, 06:58:49 PM
People were all over the map with St. Lawrence. They received a vote for each slot between third and eighth, while being left off of other ballots. I put them #4 because I don't think they have any bad losses and have a good record against non-ranked teams.

The same could almost be said about NYU. Clarkson and Fisher also with a wide range. I think right now other than Ithaca and Rochester(only 2 losses to ranked teams and now ranked #30 in the country) the next 6 teams are all fairly even. Clarkson, for instance  win a win over Rochester last week instead of a 4 pt. loss would be 10-1 and most likely in 2nd place. SLU with 2 of their 3 losses to ranked teams, can beat anybody on this list. 1 bad game(Fisher's loss to RIT) or 1 good game(RIT's "win" over Ithaca) results in a major move this early. With most of the out of conference games over, the one thing that does stand out is that the SUNYAC conference is bringing up the rear. SLU and Clarkson are a combined 9-1 against SUNYAC teams. E8 teams are 6-4 against the SUNYAC. Oneonta and Cortland with 2 wins each, account for the SUNY wins. 2 of the 4 E8 losses were pinned on Utica. Even Elmira with a win over Cortland and Hartwick with a defeat of Oneonta have stung the SUNYAC.  NYU 2-0 beating Oneonta and New Paltz who are currently in 1st and 2nd place in SUNYAC race. Don't see much room for any of the SUNYAC schools to move up in the rankings. Geneseo and Brockport would need to make some noise in the Chase tournament or Potsdam would need the big upset tomorrow night against the Bombers. Even then, Potsdam and Brockport with their current records, (only Geneseo at 8-3 is respectable) would have a tough time cracking the poll. Rest of SUNYAC schedule, other than 2 teams playing Utica is in conference, so all they'll do is beat up each other. There's still some hope for the Red Dragons or Geneseo but they need to put together a good run.  Fredonia's 9-2 record looks good but soft schedule early on leads me to be skeptical. Oneonta at #8 may be as good as it gets.  Definitely disappointed with Cortland, Oswego and Potsdam so far. 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on January 13, 2009, 01:50:50 AM
Magic I agree with you. Sunyac seems to be down this year.  I left Oneonta off this week because almost all their impressive games are losses- NYU close, Ithaca to the brink but their wins have not been all that impressive.  I got to thinking that I should not be rating someone by the virtue of their LOSSES!!  Disappointed with Potsdam. Senior talent should be carrying them more than it is.  Also disappointed in Hamilton.  They should be and are better than they are playing right now.  I just do not know what is up with them.  Use to get a little insight from HOAF but I have not seen he or she on the board this year. Funny how far a half court heave (possibly after the buzzer) can improve a teams fortune!
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2009, 05:53:19 AM
Quote from: with age came? on January 13, 2009, 01:50:50 AM
Magic I agree with you. Sunyac seems to be down this year.  I left Oneonta off this week because almost all their impressive games are losses- NYU close, Ithaca to the brink but their wins have not been all that impressive.  I got to thinking that I should not be rating someone by the virtue of their LOSSES!!  Disappointed with Potsdam. Senior talent should be carrying them more than it is.  Also disappointed in Hamilton.  They should be and are better than they are playing right now.  I just do not know what is up with them.  Use to get a little insight from HOAF but I have not seen he or she on the board this year. Funny how far a half court heave (possibly after the buzzer) can improve a teams fortune!

with age,

Hamilton has had some injury problems with several starters missing some games and 2 guys off the bench also missed some time. however in all 4 of their losses they just dug a hole early on that they couldn't recover from. Conn. College game they were down 32-6 after first 15 mins. In that span they were 3x12 from the field with 8 turnovers. CC shot 11x15 with 7 3's. Game against Middlebury was more of the same. Hung with the Panthers for 1st 10 mins. then only managed 6 pts in the last 9 mins of the half. Down by 13 at the break and it only got worse. Maybe got demoralized when they went to the midwest in early Dec. and got smacked by Wash U. and Ill. Wesleyan in back to back games. Still, I expect they'll have something to say about the outcome of the LL .

Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on January 13, 2009, 10:20:08 PM
I guess Hamilton's victory over Williams cements that statement.  Magic you may have hit it on the head.  Everytime I have seen Hamilton play they seem to play better in front than from behind.  Certainly a good win for them and a good win over a recognized national power for a NYS team.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 14, 2009, 10:31:35 AM
I had Hamilton in my early polls fairly high relative to other LL teams.  The big losses set me back even though they were to solid teams.  They had some other not impressive small margin wins.  The injuries can say a lot and i would expect them to be in the middle of the pack of the rankings by year-end
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2009, 11:58:21 PM
Looks like the rankings will get another shake up this week as #'s 2,3,5,8,9,and 10 go down and the possibility of more carnage tomorrow as everybody in the top 10 except Ithaca has a game scheduled. Lots of interesting match-ups on tap. Fisher and SLU with wins tomorrow could be the big movers for the week. Hamilton could also benefit. Only sure thing is the Bombers will remain on top as they're off until the 25th against Stevens.   
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 18, 2009, 04:19:36 PM
Fellas, don't forget to send your ballots this evening when you have an opportunity. Thanks.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 19, 2009, 03:07:26 PM
East Region Fan Poll #4 (through 1/18/09)





#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
14-1
80
1
at Stevens
2St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
12-2
68
6
at Alfred, vs Nazareth
3Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
11-3
57
2
vs Washington U., vs Chicago
4St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
9-3
46
7
vs #7 Clarkson, at RPI, at Vassar
5RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
10-4
29
3
at Stevens, at Hartwick
6Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
9-4
28
NR
vs Union, vs Skidmore
7Clarkson (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLRKS/mens/2009)
10-3
23
5
at #4 St. Lawrence, at Vassar, at RPI
8NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
10-3
16
4
vs Hunter, at Emory, at Case Western Reserve

Others Receiving votes:      

Union (5)
Oneonta State (4)
Fredonia State (3)
SUNYIT (1)


Dropping out: #8 Oneonta State



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

St. John Fisher (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2)

Rochester (3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3)

St. Lawrence (4, 6, 6, 5, 3, 4, 2, 5, 2, 7)

RIT (6, -, -, 6, 5, 7, 5, 4, 6, 4)

Hamilton (5, 8, 5, 7, 6, 5, -, 6, 5, 6)

Clarkson (8, 5, 4, 4, 7, 6, 7, 8, -, -)

NYU (-, 4, 8, -, 8, 8, -, 7, 7, 5)
_____________________________________________________________

Union (7, -, 7, -, -, -, -, -, 8, -)

Oneonta (-, -, -, -, -, -, 6, -, -, 8)

Fredonia (-, 7, -, -, -, -, 8, -, -)

SUNYIT (-, -, -, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#7 Clarkson @ #4 St. Lawrence (1/20)
Union @ #6 Hamilton (1/23)
Nazareth @ #2 St. John Fisher (1/24)
#1 Ithaca @ Stevens (1/25)


Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2009, 08:52:26 PM
Waiting for two ballots...
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 29, 2009, 05:25:20 PM
Cyclone, submit your poll when you get a chance. Once you do, I can post the poll. Thanks.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on January 29, 2009, 07:52:51 PM
All sent chief
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on January 29, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
East Region Fan Poll #5 (through 1/25/09)





#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
15-1
80
1
vs Elmira, at Utica
2St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
14-2
70
2
at Hartwick, at Stevens
3Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
12-4
54
3
at Case Western Reserve, at Emory
4Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
11-4
46
6
at #6 St. Lawrence, at Clarkson
5RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
12-4
39
5
at Elmira
6St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
11-4
30
4
vs #4 Hamilton, vs Hobart
7NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
13-3
25
8
vs Chicago, vs Washington U.
8Oneonta State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ONTA/mens/2009)
12-6
12
NR
vs Oswego, at Brockport, at Geneseo

Others Receiving votes:      

Oswego State (2)
Clarkson (1)
SUNYIT (1)


Dropping out: #7 Clarkson



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

St. John Fisher (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)

Rochester (3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 3, 5)

Hamilton (4, 4, 6, 4, 7, 3, 3, 5, 5, 3)

RIT (5, 5, 5, 6, 3, 7, 6, 4, 4, 6)

St. Lawrence (7, 6, 7, 5, 5, 6, 5, 8, 7, 4)

NYU (6, -, 4, 7, 8, 4, 7, 7, 6, 7)

Oneonta (8, 7, 8, 8, 6, 8, -, 6, -, -)
___________________________________________

Oswego (-, -, -, -, -, -, 8, -, 8, -)

Clarkson (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 8 )

SUNYIT (-, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)




Key Regional Games This Week:

#4 Hamilton @ #6 St. Lawrence (1/30)
#4 Hamilton @ Clarkson (1/31)
#1 Ithaca @ Utica (1/31)
#2 St. John Fisher @ Stevens (2/1)
Washington U. @ #7 NYU



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Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: jdex on February 03, 2009, 04:41:23 PM

Hey, guys, how's about getting your polls to Chad in a somewhat timely fashion, say by Monday morn. Poll might indeed mean a bit more if poll is posted before teams play one or two more games in the next week. Getting late pollsters'  lineup the following Wednesday or Thursday just doesn't make a lot of sense, nor is it fair to those filing on time. Pretty please, for Chad's sake  ....... There, we said it .....
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 03, 2009, 04:48:03 PM
Yeah, just waiting on one from a person whose wedding I attended this summer. You know who you are. Send it over.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2009, 12:46:44 AM
East Region Fan Poll #6 (through 2/1/09)






#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
17-1
80
1
at #5 St. John Fisher, vs Hartwick, vs Alfred
2St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
13-4
64
6
at Clarkson, vs Union, vs Skidmore
3RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
14-4
62
5
vs Alfred, vs SUNY Cobleskill
4Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
13-5
48
3
vs Emory, vs Case Western Reserve
5St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
14-4
38
2
vs #1 Ithaca, at Nazareth
6Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
12-5
36
4
at RPI, at Vassar
7Geneseo State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GEN/mens/2009)
12-6
13
NR
vs Brockport State, at Morrisville State
8NYU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/NYU/mens/2009)
13-5
10
7
at Washington U., at Chicago

Others Receiving votes:      

Oswego State (4)
Oneonta State (3)
Utica (1)
Buffalo State (1)


Dropping out: #8 Oneonta State



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

St. Lawrence (2, 4, 2, 2, 3, 4, 2, 3, 2, 2)

RIT (3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2, 4, 2, 3, 3)

Rochester (6, 2, 5, 5, 4, 3, 3, 4, 6, 4)

St. John Fisher (5, 6, 4, 4, 6, 6, 5, 7, 4, 5)

Hamilton (4, 5, 6, 7, 5, 5, 6, 7, 4, 5)

Geneseo (7, 7, -, -, 7, -, 8, 6, 8, 7)

NYU (-, -, 7, 6, 8, -, 7, -, 7, -)
_______________________________________________________

Oswego (-, -, 8, -, -, 7, -, -, -, 8 )

Oneonta (-, -, -, 8, -, 8, -, 8, -, -, -)

Utica (8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Buffalo State (-, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Ithaca @ #5 St. John Fisher (2/3)
#8 NYU @ Washington U. (2/6)
Union vs #2 St. Lawrence (2/6)
#6 Hamilton @ Vassar  (2/7)


Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 04, 2009, 02:14:04 AM

gobombers,

I think you've been spending too much time sparring with UCgrad over on the E8 board. ;) Don't know if this would change the poll but in the voting breakdown you're showing 11-4th place votes, 9-5th place votes, 9-6th place votes, and 11-7th place votes.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 04, 2009, 02:14:04 AM

gobombers,

I think you've been spending too much time sparring with UCgrad over on the E8 board. ;) Don't know if this would change the poll but in the voting breakdown you're showing 11-4th place votes, 9-5th place votes, 9-6th place votes, and 11-7th place votes.

Magic, I was certainly tired when I was putting the compilation (the part you're referring to) together. More importantly, the points in the poll are correct. Tonight, when I get home, I'll go back over the polls and get the correct distribution of votes. But, as I said, the top part of the poll was correct. I was very thorough with that part.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 04, 2009, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on February 04, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 04, 2009, 02:14:04 AM

gobombers,

I think you've been spending too much time sparring with UCgrad over on the E8 board. ;) Don't know if this would change the poll but in the voting breakdown you're showing 11-4th place votes, 9-5th place votes, 9-6th place votes, and 11-7th place votes.

Magic, I was certainly tired when I was putting the compilation (the part you're referring to) together. More importantly, the points in the poll are correct. Tonight, when I get home, I'll go back over the polls and get the correct distribution of votes. But, as I said, the top part of the poll was correct. I was very thorough with that part.

If the top part's correct that's all that matters. Good job putting this together. plus k
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 08, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
Gents, don't forget to send your ballots over this evening. Thanks!
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 09, 2009, 10:59:23 PM
Fellas, just received the last poll. Will compile it in the morning and post it Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
Poll will be posted before tip-off of the several large games this evening. Ran into a busy day at work today, unfortunately. ETA: 715pm. Worry not.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2009, 06:37:41 PM
East Region Fan Poll #7 (through 2/8/09)






#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
20-1
80
1
vs Stevens, vs #8 St. John Fisher
2St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
16-4
63
2
at Hobart, at #5 Hamilton
3RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
16-4
60
3
at #8 St. John Fisher, vs Stevens, vs Hartwick
4Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
15-5
53
4
vs NYU, vs Brandeis
5Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
14-5
44
6
vs Clarkson, vs #2 St. Lawrence
6Geneseo State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GEN/mens/2009)
14-6
25
7
at #7 Oswego, vs Plattsburgh, vs Potsdam
7Oswego State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/OSWG/mens/2009)
13-7
11
NR
vs #6 Geneseo, vs New Paltz, vs Oneonta
8St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
14-6
8
5
vs #3 RIT, at #1 Ithaca

Others Receiving votes:      

Oneonta State (6)
Utica (5)
NYU (3)
Medaille (1)
SUNYIT (1)

Dropping out: #8 NYU



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

St. Lawrence (3, 3, 2, 4, 2, 3, 2, 4, 2, 2)

RIT (2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 2, 5, 2, 4, 3)

Rochester (4, 4, 5, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 3, 5)

Hamilton (5, 5, 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 5, 5, 4)

Geneseo (6, 6, 6, 6, -, 6, 7, 6, 6, 7)

Oswego (7, 8, 8, -, -, -, 6, 7, 8, 8 )

St. John Fisher (-, -, -, -, 7, -, 8, -, 7, 6)
_____________________________________________

Oneonta (8, -, -, 7, -, 7, -, 8, -, -)

Utica (-, 7, 7, -, -, 8, -, -, -, -)

NYU (-, -, -, -, 6, -, -, -, -, -)

Medaille (-, -, -, -, 8, -, -, -, -, -)

SUNYIT (-, -, -, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -)


Key Regional Games This Week:

#3 RIT @ #8 St. John Fisher (2/10)
#6 Geneseo @ #7 Oswego (2/10)
Stevens @ #1 Ithaca (2/10)
NYU @ #4 Rochester (2/13)
Stevens @ #3 RIT
#8 St. John Fisher @ #1 Ithaca (2/14)
#2 St. Lawrence @ #5 Hamilton (2/14)
Oneonta @ #7 Oswego (2/14)



Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bamm on February 10, 2009, 08:04:41 PM
Dear people who are putting NYU in the poll --

Are you paying attention?  They have lost four straight games.  They are 2-7 in their league.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 06:06:45 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!

Having seen both play, I'm not sure Ithaca could stay within 20 of Wash U right now.  But I don't think many, if any,  teams could.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bamm on February 11, 2009, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!

Don't worry, no smiting.  But you know who their other 2 losses in this stretch are to?  Chicago.  They are 4-16.   
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: bamm on February 11, 2009, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!

Don't worry, no smiting.  But you know who their other 2 losses in this stretch are to?  Chicago.  They are 4-16.   

I watched Chicago a couple of weeks ago and thought they were the most dangerous 1-15 team I had seen.  Since then they have played much better.   As I watched them I tried to compare them to local teams I have seen.  Other than Ithaca, I don't think many teams in this region would compete with Chicago.  When they're shooting well, as against Brandeis when they went 17-26 from behind the arc, they are tough.  And they are getting their confidence back.  Not saying they are a great team.  Just dangerous.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 11, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
Ethelred, how is Brandies? are they better than Ithaca in your opinion?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 11, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
Ethelred, how is Brandies? are they better than Ithaca in your opinion?

Haven't seen them in person yet.  That will be this weekend.  But my impression from others and what I have listened to is that they should be as good as Ithaca, but they are not.  They have all the weapons and are fairly deep, but seem to have trouble putting it together for complete games.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bamm on February 11, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 11:10:48 AM

I watched Chicago a couple of weeks ago and thought they were the most dangerous 1-15 team I had seen.  Since then they have played much better.   As I watched them I tried to compare them to local teams I have seen.  Other than Ithaca, I don't think many teams in this region would compete with Chicago.  When they're shooting well, as against Brandeis when they went 17-26 from behind the arc, they are tough.  And they are getting their confidence back.  Not saying they are a great team.  Just dangerous.

I know they played UR tough, but this is still a 4-16 team.  Their only road win is at NYU.  They started the season off terribly, losing to some very good but also some pretty bad teams. 

And since someone mentioned that two of NYU's four straight losses are to WashU, it's only fair to point out the other two are Chicago.  NYU really doesn't belong in the poll anymore, even if you argue their record would be better playing in one of the East Region leagues.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: bamm on February 11, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 11:10:48 AM

I watched Chicago a couple of weeks ago and thought they were the most dangerous 1-15 team I had seen.  Since then they have played much better.   As I watched them I tried to compare them to local teams I have seen.  Other than Ithaca, I don't think many teams in this region would compete with Chicago.  When they're shooting well, as against Brandeis when they went 17-26 from behind the arc, they are tough.  And they are getting their confidence back.  Not saying they are a great team.  Just dangerous.

I know they played UR tough, but this is still a 4-16 team.  Their only road win is at NYU.  They started the season off terribly, losing to some very good but also some pretty bad teams. 

And since someone mentioned that two of NYU's four straight losses are to WashU, it's only fair to point out the other two are Chicago.  NYU really doesn't belong in the poll anymore, even if you argue their record would be better playing in one of the East Region leagues.

I agree and haven't voted for NYU in weeks.  Though sometimes it is hard to find a #7 and #8.  I was just pointing out that Chicago is playing very well right now.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 16, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
New D3Hoops Top 25 Poll just out and Ithaca despite winning 2 games last week drops a spot to #9. St. Lawrence moves from #34 to #28 and RIT drops from #32 to #38. Former #1 Wheaton jumped ahead of Buena Vista and the Bombers moving from #10 to #7.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 16, 2009, 11:56:45 PM
East Region Fan Poll #8 (through 2/15/09)




#School (1st votes)RecordPtsPrev.This Week
1Ithaca (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ITH/mens/2009) ( 10 )
22-1
80
1
at Nazareth, vs #5 RIT
2St. Lawrence (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLAW/mens/2009)
18-4
70
2
vs Vassar, at RPI
3Geneseo State (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GEN/mens/2009)
17-6
47
6
at Fredonia, at Brockport
4Hamilton (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HMLT/mens/2009)
15-6
46
5
vs Hobart, at Skidmore, at Union
5RIT (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RIT/mens/2009)
17-6
43
3
vs Nazareth, at #1 Ithaca
6Rochester (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/mens/2009)
15-7
38
4
at Chicago, at Wash U.
7Utica (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UTC/mens/2009)
15-8
14
NR
at #8 St. John Fisher, at Alfred
8St. John Fisher (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SJF/mens/2009)
15-7
10
8
vs Alfred, vs #7 Utica, vs Elmira

Others Receiving votes:      

NYU (6)
Medaille (4)
Buffalo State (1)
Oswego State (1)

Dropping out: #7 Oswego State



Voting Breakdown:

Ithaca (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)

St. Lawrence (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)

Geneseo (6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 4, 4, 6, 3, 3)

Hamilton (3, 7, 5, 3, 3, 8, 3, 4, 4, 4)

RIT (4, 5, 4, 7, 5, 3, 6, 3, 5, 5)

Rochester (5, 3, 6, 5, 4, 7, 5, 5, 6, 6)

Utica (8, 6, 7, -, 8, -, 7, 7, 8, 7)

St. John Fisher (7, 8, -, 8, -, 6, -, -, 7, 8 )
______________________________________________

NYU (-, -, -, 6, 7, -, 8, -, -, -)

Medaille (-, -, -, -, -, 5, -, -, -, -)

Oswego (-, -, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Buffalo State (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 8, -, -)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#7 Utica @ #8 St. John Fisher (2/20)
#2 St. Lawrence @ RPI (2/21)
#6 Rochester @ Wash U. (2/22)
#5 RIT @ #1 Ithaca (2/22)



Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
Have to believe pollsters were impressed by win over Elmhurst (only team to defeat Wash U) to jump Wheaton over Ithaca. Although Pabegg is projecting Ithaca as a safe into pool c even if it does not win conference which is cool. Both Hamilton and ST Lawrence look to be in pretty good shape too if one loses to the other in the conference tournament. I would really like to see a NY team go to the final four and the northeast does not look quite so dominant this year.  I can only hope!!
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 02:33:34 AM
P.S. Speaking of polls- little too much love to Genny State in my humble opinion as they mow down weakened SUNYAC league teams. Not 1 win against a East ranked team and to get #3 seed is generous.  Deserved to be ranked but not that high (will accept all attempts to convince me otherwise with an open mind). ::)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 17, 2009, 07:15:19 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 02:33:34 AM
P.S. Speaking of polls- little too much love to Genny State in my humble opinion as they mow down weakened SUNYAC league teams. Not 1 win against a East ranked team and to get #3 seed is generous.  Deserved to be ranked but not that high (will accept all attempts to convince me otherwise with an open mind). ::)

While I don't necessarily disagree with you (I had them lower), who woould you put at #3? 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 17, 2009, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
Have to believe pollsters were impressed by win over Elmhurst (only team to defeat Wash U) to jump Wheaton over Ithaca. Although Pabegg is projecting Ithaca as a safe into pool c even if it does not win conference which is cool. Both Hamilton and ST Lawrence look to be in pretty good shape too if one loses to the other in the conference tournament. I would really like to see a NY team go to the final four and the northeast does not look quite so dominant this year.  I can only hope!!

Pollsters are more impressed with the fact that Wheaton was undefeated and #1 until  their All American Kent Raymond went down with a bad ankle sprain. He missed 3 games during which they went 1-2. He came back and played limited minutes in their next game which they lost. With a healthy Raymond they are 19-0, without him 1-3. They may be the best team in the country. Since his full return from the ankle injury they have won 5 straight, all by double digits in one of the toughest conferences in the country.

Also agree with you that Geneseo is ranked too high. I had Hamilton in the 3rd spot based on their in region record and the fact that 4 of their 6 losses came with key players out with injuries.  I put RIT 4th followed by Rochester, Fisher, Geneseo, and Utica. Nice to see that St. Lawrence unanimous #2 pick this week. 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2009, 10:18:29 AM
I thought Utica and Fisher were the clear #7 and #8 teams. Rochester lost two home games over the weekend, so I slotted them at #6. RIT was 1-2 last week and lost to a weak Hartwick club, hence they were at #5 for me. I wrestled a lot with the Geneseo vs Hamilton decision. Hamilton does have a better in-region record, but I think Geneseo is the better team at this very second. The Blue Knights have won 7 in a row and I was very impressed by the 30-point drubbing they gave Oswego on the Lakers' own floor. At the time, Oswego was streaking and making a push for the #1 seed in the SUNYAC. Plus, I would have liked to see Hamilton give SLU a tougher game the second time around. Based on the numbers, I think we can all agree that it's a pretty significant dropoff after #2.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 17, 2009, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on February 17, 2009, 10:18:29 AM
I thought Utica and Fisher were the clear #7 and #8 teams. Rochester lost two home games over the weekend, so I slotted them at #6. RIT was 1-2 last week and lost to a weak Hartwick club, hence they were at #5 for me. I wrestled a lot with the Geneseo vs Hamilton decision. Hamilton does have a better in-region record, but I think Geneseo is the better team at this very second. The Blue Knights have won 7 in a row and I was very impressed by the 30-point drubbing they gave Oswego on the Lakers' own floor. At the time, Oswego was streaking and making a push for the #1 seed in the SUNYAC. Plus, I would have liked to see Hamilton give SLU a tougher game the second time around. Based on the numbers, I think we can all agree that it's a pretty significant dropoff after #2.

Which is why I gave Medialle some love this week.  Winners of 9 out of 10 and avenging some early season losses.  Granted we don't get to see them play, but they are still in region.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 17, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
I'm with Gobombers on the geneseo issue, was impressed with the drubbing of oswego and think they have underachieved in the first half of the season. I think i still had hamilton above geneseo as all of hamiltons losses are very good losses.   I had Fisher over Utica as Fisher beat utica on their own floor and have more wins overall so I dont see how utica shoudl be ranked over them. 

I took a look at medaille but just couldnt squeeze them in as there wins are not against good teams and the only sunyac, ll, e8 teams they played they lost to so I couldnt give them enough love there record would need to be better than it is in the weak conf they play in. 

Utica didnt get in on mine since they are not good on the road I think they will drop a few more games by end of season and won't finish in the top 8 in region.  I had NYU in over Utica.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 17, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 17, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
I'm with Gobombers on the geneseo issue, was impressed with the drubbing of oswego and think they have underachieved in the first half of the season. I think i still had hamilton above geneseo as all of hamiltons losses are very good losses.   I had Fisher over Utica as Fisher beat utica on their own floor and have more wins overall so I dont see how utica shoudl be ranked over them. 

I took a look at medaille but just couldnt squeeze them in as there wins are not against good teams and the only sunyac, ll, e8 teams they played they lost to so I couldnt give them enough love there record would need to be better than it is in the weak conf they play in. 

Utica didnt get in on mine since they are not good on the road I think they will drop a few more games by end of season and won't finish in the top 8 in region.  I had NYU in over Utica.

Well, I have the same feeling about Hamilton.  The only good teams they play, they lose to.  At least Medialle has beaten most of the teams that they lost to early in the season.  If Hamilton had been competitive against SL, I'd have moved them up
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 17, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 11, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
Ethelred, how is Brandies? are they better than Ithaca in your opinion?

Haven't seen them in person yet.  That will be this weekend.  But my impression from others and what I have listened to is that they should be as good as Ithaca, but they are not.  They have all the weapons and are fairly deep, but seem to have trouble putting it together for complete games.

The Brandeis team I saw Sunday would likely beat Ithaca.  They are physical, shoot the ball well, have team quickness and are playing loose.  Of course, what I saw was clouded by tears......
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
Have to believe pollsters were impressed by win over Elmhurst (only team to defeat Wash U) to jump Wheaton over Ithaca.

That and the fact that Kent Raymond proved himself this week to be healthy and back to his old self. They are unbeaten with him playing his full minutes. (They lost two while he was out entirely and one more as he was coming back from his high ankle sprain, in which he played only 20 minutes.)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 12:18:03 PM
I see Magicman was also on top of this. Very nice.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 17, 2009, 03:17:43 PM
Somebody has to teach me how to give Karma to Magic (when you get noticed by Pat in a positive way you deserve it.) :) Glad to get some discussion on Genny State.  Still do not have them as a top 3 elite team in NYS.  Lost to U of R on a neutral court by 18 and lost to Naz.  May be there were injuries that I am not aware that might change my thinking but the only team they have played that I think should be ranked is U of R. I had them in 6th behind Hamilton, U of R and Roch Tech. Win against Oswego was solid but quite a few of their other wins were squeakers at home and a less than impressive win at Morrrisville. Still willing to have my mind changed? ::)
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 03:35:55 PM
You need to have 200 posts before you can do the karma thing, sorry.

But I +1'd him.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: GrassyKnoll on February 19, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
I haven't gotten the chance to see many of the "flight conference" teams play (and that league is always loaded), but the NYU discussion should not be a discussion. Not a high-level team. And the discredit of Ithaca, saying that they'd get beat by 20, TO ANYBODY, is ridiculous. You're talking about a team that has 1 loss, to a very solid RIT team, that hit multiple buzzer beaters (shot clock, halves, etc.) I'm not trying to say that Ithaca deserved the win, but they realistically could be undefeated with an ALL-WORLD point guard. They are as talented an offensive team as I've seen in all my time in D3 and have the TALENT to be in the Final Four. That said, "Final Four" is not necessarily probable as they are beatable by very good, prepared teams as evidenced by their more recent close W's, but I'd have a hard time picking a team that you could favor vs. them... Just my opinion
Also, SLU has a very strong team and is capable of beating anyone on a given night. They consistently score and have 7 (insane by the way) kids that average double figures. If they can bring that same sense of urgency to the defensive end down the stretch, they are a team that can be a bit of a sleeper when talking on a national level. Again, not necessarily favored in all games, but find me someone who would want them in their side of the bracket.
All in all, I think  it's shaping up for some decent hoops down the stretch and I do whole-heartedly believe that the East region will be represented well in the national tourney. I think it'll have to be either IC or SLU, but I'd give good odds that one of them makes the final 8. Guess we have to wait and see...
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 19, 2009, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: GrassyKnoll on February 19, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
I haven't gotten the chance to see many of the "flight conference" teams play (and that league is always loaded), but the NYU discussion should not be a discussion. Not a high-level team. And the discredit of Ithaca, saying that they'd get beat by 20, TO ANYBODY, is ridiculous. You're talking about a team that has 1 loss, to a very solid RIT team, that hit multiple buzzer beaters (shot clock, halves, etc.) I'm not trying to say that Ithaca deserved the win, but they realistically could be undefeated with an ALL-WORLD point guard. They are as talented an offensive team as I've seen in all my time in D3 and have the TALENT to be in the Final Four. That said, "Final Four" is not necessarily probable as they are beatable by very good, prepared teams as evidenced by their more recent close W's, but I'd have a hard time picking a team that you could favor vs. them... Just my opinion
Also, SLU has a very strong team and is capable of beating anyone on a given night. They consistently score and have 7 (insane by the way) kids that average double figures. If they can bring that same sense of urgency to the defensive end down the stretch, they are a team that can be a bit of a sleeper when talking on a national level. Again, not necessarily favored in all games, but find me someone who would want them in their side of the bracket.
All in all, I think  it's shaping up for some decent hoops down the stretch and I do whole-heartedly believe that the East region will be represented well in the national tourney. I think it'll have to be either IC or SLU, but I'd give good odds that one of them makes the final 8. Guess we have to wait and see...

I don't remember anyone saying that anybody would beat Ithaca by 20 this year.  I did say that they likely would come within 20 of LAST years UR team.  And having just seen the UR alumni game recently, I'm not sure they couldn't beat Ithaca today.  Just kidding, though Dominiak still has ridiculous range and Oniyiruka is still a speciman.  I also said that the Brandeis team I saw Sunday was better than the Ithaca team I saw earlier in the year.  But other than that, Ithaca is pretty much unchallenged in the east, except by SL.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 06:06:45 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!

Having seen both play, I'm not sure Ithaca could stay within 20 of Wash U right now. But I don't think many, if any,  teams could.

Ethelred,
I think this is what Grassyknoll was refering to.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 19, 2009, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 19, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 11, 2009, 06:06:45 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 11, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Of course probably every team from Hamilton down to all the also rans might be 2-7 in that league too!!  And 2 of the last four losses are to Wash U which probably would put a loss on every team in our poll (and in my opinion that includes Ithaca too). Please don't smite me oh lord!!!!

Having seen both play, I'm not sure Ithaca could stay within 20 of Wash U right now. But I don't think many, if any,  teams could.

Ethelred,
I think this is what Grassyknoll was refering to.

Ahhh.  I absolutely stand by that.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: owen on February 21, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
It's been 21 years since ANY team from what is now the E8, LL or SUNYAC (I guess you could say the upstate NY conferences) has made a Final Four appearance... and that was Hartwick before there was an E8 Conference. It's been 23 years since Potsdam won it all. Let's go! I'm not getting any younger.

Regardless, I'm hoping Ithaca can make a solid run in the tournament. The East region in my opinion is extremely weak this year, even weaker than it normally is; but hope springs eternal. Good luck to the Bombers.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 22, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
Rochester travels to #2 Washington U and pulls off the upset 70-69. Wash U misses 2 free throws with 1 second left to play. Mike Chmielowiec with 32 pts leads the Yellowjackets.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on February 22, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
Based on the latest regional rankings that pabegg has posted on the Pool C board it looks like the East entries in the NCAA tournament could be these teams:

1. Ithaca  Pool C bid if they lose conference tournament.   

2. St. Lawrence    Pool C bid if they lose conference tournament.

3. Hamilton Pool C bid if they lose conference tournament

4. SUNYAC conference tournament winner. No other SUNYAC school will get a bid

5. Medaille if they win the AMCC conference tournament. Only bid will be tourney champion

6. Winner of the NEAC conference tournament if it's 1 of the 6 NY schools.
    SUNYIT is a top contender but again only 1 bid from this conference

It's possible that 2 other teams from the East could make the NCAA's.

1. If an E8 team (RIT, Utica, Naz/Fisher) upsets Ithaca for the automatic bid it would give the E8 2 entries.

2. If a Liberty League team other than St. Lawrence or Hamilton wins the conference tournament. (RPI or Clarkson) This could give the LL 3 bids. It's possible that SLU or Hamilton, both locks right now for a Pool C bid, could drop in the Pool C rankings if they lose in the semifinal game of their tournament instead of the finals. I don't think the LL will get 3 bids but it is possible.

We could have as few as 3 teams or as many as 8 teams make the field.       
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
Guys, still need a few more ballots. Send them in when you get a chance. Thanks.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on February 24, 2009, 11:14:44 AM
Just sent mine in...brutal week trying to pick teams.   We've had the discussion before, but the region this year is really really down.  Based just on merit (teams I think are in the top 57 in the country), I think there's an argument that Ithaca should be the only team from the region to go to the dance.


Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 24, 2009, 01:01:45 PM
I just put my ballet in and wow what a horrible batch of teams this year.  I can't even get over how each league is so down.  leader of the sunyac has 8 losses, besides fisher the 2 team has 8 losses, both uaa teams have 8 and 9 losses, the only conf with descent teams is LL with 5-6 which is still a little down for them. besides ithaca this batch is very mediocre. 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 24, 2009, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 24, 2009, 01:01:45 PM
I just put my ballet in and wow what a horrible batch of teams this year.  I can't even get over how each league is so down.  leader of the sunyac has 8 losses, besides fisher the 2 team has 8 losses, both uaa teams have 8 and 9 losses, the only conf with descent teams is LL with 5-6 which is still a little down for them. besides ithaca this batch is very mediocre. 

...and yet somebody just found a way to beat the defending National Champions and current #2 ranked team.   Oh sure, all it took was some unbelievable good fortune, but that's what clean living will do for ya.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on February 24, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Hahaha, well yes Rochester did beat the #2 team in the country.  But no one would argue that this team is anywhere near as good as the prior Rochester teams.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 24, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: Cyclone0205 on February 24, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Hahaha, well yes Rochester did beat the #2 team in the country.  But no one would argue that this team is anywhere near as good as the prior Rochester teams.

Well...there was a team in the mid-80's I think that was below .500, but yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 24, 2009, 11:16:13 PM
alright maybe I am trying to stir the pot a little here.... BUT I do believe there may be greater parity but not necessarily mediocrity. #14 Middlebury lost to St Lawrence - #23 Amherst squeaked a 3 pt win over LL doormat Skidmore - #13 Trinity (Tx) beat SUNYIT (who most of us did not even know is in our region- just kidding- ) by only 10 points - U of R over Wash U SJF over St Mary's.  These are all very highly ranked and regarded teams being either challenged or beaten by team you refer to a"weak."  I just think top to bottom the LL and the E-8 are just pretty even.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on February 25, 2009, 08:48:52 AM
with age -


I, in my analysis, am not comparing whether the region is strong or weak has against other regions.  I'm just putting the region up against itself in the past couple years.


Ithaca is on par with most #1 teams in the region from the past.


After them, there is a significant drop off.  As we've said, Rochester and NYU are not even close to as good as their teams from even just a year ago.  2008 UAA East vs. 2009 UAA East would be 20-30 point games, maybe by half.


As for the SUNYAC, we all agree that the conference is definitely down.

I think there is more parity, but I don't think the parity is because the top teams stayed good and the bottom teams got better.  I think it's because the top got worse and the bottom got better...and since, in these rankings we only focus on the top, it looks like the region as a whole has gotten worse.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on February 25, 2009, 09:23:42 PM
OK I agree the SUNYAC is very disappointing this year. So many teams did not perform to expectations - Cortland, Brockport, Plattsburg, Potsdam but it might be because all the teams had to play a more evenly matched league.  The league I am most familiar with is the liberty league and that league is in, my estimation, tougher. St Law was no 1 last year but has improved this year with a better record and good freshman.  Hamilton was number 2 and they lost virtually nothing and gained some solid freshman, Vassar was number 3 and is down somewhat, Clarkson was 4 and still is, but again has most of the components from last year are back and their record is 15-10  overall vs 9-15 on last years squad. RPI was 5 th last year and 3rd this year and it was the SImmon's show last year and it still is today so they did not get worse. Hobart lost a stud senior but last years freshman have improved so they are probably a push, Skidmore has in my opnion the best total freshman class and are vastly improved. So in my opinion the best got better and the rest of the league moved up.  In the e-8 I think Ithaca is better than any team was last year. Roch tech better than last year, Utica better than last year. Naz down a little, Stevens down, Hartwick significantly up, Alfred significantly up, SJF probably up too, Elmira a push. As a whole I think the league is better especially at the top with Ithaca.  Roch is definitely down but still has a win against Wash U.  NYU 16-11 last year 15-9 this year is probably a push.  So other than the SUNYAC I think the rest of the east is on the whole better.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 26, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
withage came, i agree with your sunyac analysis they are without question down this year, LL might be stronger, and e8 is definatly down as well at the top, and uaa (nyu and uofr) are not even close to past years. Fisher is definatly not up from last year, we wont go into detail.  however, in analyzing the region i believe you have to go with the dominant teams year in and year are that are usually are of much higher quality than an improved naz team or imporved rit team such as nyu and uofr, these are teams that play in a great league and are real contenders for sweet 16 and final 4 any most given years, then you have to look at fisher as of late many late ncaa runs are way down, then you go to the sunyac probably the strongest league in region on any given year there top 2-3 teams usually have been ranked during the year and have the opportunity to make a run in the ncaa's, then of course in liberty league year in and year out u have hamilton and slu which have held to their standings this year, probably the ownly league that actually is where they usually are.   We can say Ithaca stepped in for Fisher and that is legitimate, but the e8 usually has another team getting an at large or right there for an at large as well whether it be RIT who in my opinion is not very good at all and Utica who has come up as of late but they are not as good as past years either.

Like i said before, luckily since the Nescac is also down i think ithaca or any other east team in the tourny has a shot.  Most other northeast leagues are not very strong at all, teams have good records but the leagues are very bad.  I think middleberry, brandies, amherst, mit, and a few others will be tough but all very beatable by any top sunyac, e8, or LL team.

Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on February 26, 2009, 11:45:03 AM
As an E8 follower, and we've had this conversation quite a bit, the e8 is definitely down from last year.


I'll just go by where they finished from this year to last year in the regular season.

Bold is the 2009 team
#1 - Ithaca (17-9) vs. Ithaca (24-1)

Winner:  '09 Ithaca.  2009 Ithaca is obviously better.  Not really much discussion needed for this one.

#2 - Stevens (23-6) vs. RIT (17-8)

Winner: '08 Stevens.  This Stevens team was ranked in the Top 25 in the country for multiple weeks, ended up winning the ECAC Metro Championship, and was a nightmare match-up most nights.  I have to give them the edge over this years RIT team, who started out very strong, but has faded horribly. 

#3 - Nazareth (20-8) vs. Utica (17-8)

Winner:  Push.  This one is up for debate.  To me, Naz won the Empire 8 last year, and had a player in Canori that came out of no where and played hot most of the season.  However, I think Utica is more talented, but they don't play up to their talent.  So I'll call it even.

#4 - Fisher (17-12) vs. Nazareth (12-13)

Winner: '08 Fisher.  Not even close.  This years Naz team just isn't very good, and Fisher was a pretty decent team throughout the year once they got healthy and Coach got them going, as he always does.

#5 - Utica (16-9) vs. St. John Fisher (16-9)

Winner: '08 Utica.  Fisher fans are, as far as I've experienced, as realistic and impartial as we have, and I think they'd agree that last years Utica team was better than this years Fisher squad.  Utica was a team that just didn't play to it's talent, which is why I knock them, but I think Fisher was just too young this year and in the head to head most would take Utica.


I'm going to stop there because when you get down to the final 4 teams, it becomes splitting hairs.  In short, I think last year RIT was better than this year Hartwick, and after that you can argue that the bottom three from this year (stevens, alfred, elmira) are better than the bottom 3 from last year. 


That being said, I think the "parity" comes from the fact that, after Ithaca, the top got A LOT worse and the bottom got better, but only marginally.  That's why we think the e8 as a whole is down.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 26, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
Not to mention 2008 e8 was weaker from top 4 teams than 2007 through 2005 atleast.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Guys, sorry the poll did not get posted this week. There were two posters who couldn't get me their ballots because of good reasons. At this point, it would be moot. Make sure to send me your polls this Sunday evening, though. If everyone gets them to me on Sunday night, I can have it posted that evening. It makes it easier for me, too, when I don't have worry about it during the work week. Thanks.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on March 01, 2009, 01:03:54 AM
Guys rather than comparing 1 to 1 - Compare this years team to last years team from the same school.   I do not pretend to know the league like you do but the only 2 teams that I see that are definitely worse this year are Stevens & Naz. Fisher & Utica may be pushes.  The rest I believe are all better.  Also show me wins against quality opponents last year from regional teams like St Mary's by Fisher, St Law by Ithaca, MIddlebury by St Lawrence, Williams by Hamilton, Wash U by Rochester.  The league I do know is the LL and except for Vassar & possibly Hobart every team is as good or better than last year.  I think the LL should get 2 teams in the tournament now with RPI's upset of ST Law in the finals.  Same with the e-8 (personally I hope it is Ithaca & RIT).  I just do not see Naz as deserving yet. There are too many good wins and for that matter close losses (see LL Doormat's Skidmore's 3 point loss to top 25 Amherst) to make the unilateral statement that the region is way down.  SUNYAC - yes absolutely, rest of region I am still not yet convinced.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 01, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
It looks like the East Region will have 7 bids to the NCAA tournament and are as follows:

1   Brockport St.  Pool A  SUNYAC automatic bid
2   RPI   Pool A Liberty League  automatic bid
3   Medaille  Pool A   Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference  automatic bid
4   RIT/Nazareth winner Pool A  Empire 8 automatic bid
5   SUNYIT/Wells winner  Pool A  North Eastern Athletic Conference automatic bid
6   Ithaca  Pool C  at large bid
7   St Lawrence  Pool C  at large bid

I think Hamilton is going to lose out because of all the upsets today to teams that would have been Pool A bids but have now been relegated to Pool C.( Like Ithaca)
After all the teams that should have been Pool A bids take the Pool C bids instead
that doesn't leave enough Pool C bids left for the East Region to get 3 Pool C's. There are simply too many good teams on the bubble. With 8 regions and only 18 Pool C at large bids there is no way that the East will get 3 of them. St Lawrence could even possibly get knocked out of the picture. The 1 good thing the Saints have going for them is that they will remain #2 in the final Regional rankings that come out later today(Sunday) but will not be seen by the public. No way Hamilton can leap over the Saints as they lost in the LL semifinals and the Saints own 2 head to head wins over them.  So for sure 6 teams but I think the Saints get in to give us the 7 bids. At least it's better than the 4 we had last year.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 01, 2009, 05:10:21 AM
It is now several hours after I posted my list of NCAA bids and D3Hoops has just come out with their NCAA projections. Here's the link:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

As I expected the 7 East Region teams I listed are in and Hamilton gets left on the table. D3Hoops projects a 4 team pod with host Ithaca as a #1 seed facing the winner of the SUNYIT/Wells game. The other game will pit Amherst against Brandeis.

St. Lawrence will host another 4 team pod and face Brockport St. UM-Dartmouth will take on the NAZ/RIT winner.(Which they show as RIT. Pat must have a crystal ball)

RPI is an 8 seed and will travel to #1 seed Richard Stockton.

Medaille is also a #8 seed and will travel to the Cleveland Ohio region and face the #1 seed John Carroll.

The coveted 1st round bye has went to Middlebury.

Remember these are only D3Hoops projections and not the actual selections but they will be very close to the NCAA's picks. However, the placement of the teams could differ considerably.

Middlebury losing to Amherst could have an impact on the bye, with it  possibly going to Ithaca.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
Well, at least we'd get that NCAA win against Wells/SUNYIT. Then again, I didn't think Curry was going to put up much resistance in football. That said, the Amherst/Brandeis winner would have to be favored against Ithaca.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 01, 2009, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on March 01, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
Well, at least we'd get that NCAA win against Wells/SUNYIT. Then again, I didn't think Curry was going to put up much resistance in football. That said, the Amherst/Brandeis winner would have to be favored against Ithaca.

Well, they may be favored, but not by me. I saw Middlebury play against Plattsburgh State(8-16) and while they're a decent team they only won that game against the Cardinals 68-64 because of a blown goaltending call against Plattsburgh.  Middlebury just beat Amerst today 77-68 to avenge an earlier loss at Amherst 71-64. SLU has also beaten Middlebury84-71 and as we know, Ithaca beat SLU. I know I'm using comparative scores and that doesn't always work but I don't think the Bombers need to fear Amherst. Brandeis will be a tougher opponent but if the Bombers have a healthy Bostic and work the ball inside more, as you've stated all year, and don't take 30 3 pt shots they can win that game as well.
But we're really getting ahead of ourselves because the real bids and placement of teams could be different than the D3Hoops projections. We'll know more tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
Guys- Still need MANY ballots. Send those along so that I can compile the poll. Thanks.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Cyclone0205 on March 03, 2009, 12:26:35 PM
We're doing a fan poll for the final week?


I thought we were done once the tourney was all set.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
Cyclone, send along your poll. You too, Fisher Dynasty. Just waiting on you two.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 03, 2009, 09:55:28 PM
sorry i didnt know we were doing one this week, jsut submitted.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 06, 2009, 04:37:50 AM
Since we haven't had a published poll in 2weeks I'll throw mine out there for discussion. I've shown you mine. Now, with age, thebear, jdex, gobombers will you show me yours? ;D

1   Ithaca
2   St Lawrence
3   RIT
4   Hamilton
5   Rochester
6   RPI
7   Utica
8   Brockport   
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 06, 2009, 11:24:21 AM
mine was.

1 Ithaca
#2 St. Lawrence
#3 Hamilton
#4 RIT
#5 UofR
#6 Geneseo
#7 Utica
#8 Fisher

I couldnt give teams that have 14 losses in the top 8 just becaues they played well in the conf tourny and had an upset or two
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: jdex on March 06, 2009, 11:55:05 AM

And mine .......

1. Ithaca 24-2
2. St. Lawrence 20-6
3. Hamilton 18-7
4. Rochester 16-9
5. RIT 19-8
6. Utica 17-9
7. Medaille 21-6
8. RPI 15-12

Think everyone's top 5 looked quite similar .....from there .....???? Wanted to list "SUNYAC top 10" in eighth slot, just cause we're YACer and they were pretty interchangable ...........For sure Medaille wouldn't fare well vs. many outside this eight, but was 21-6 against given sked, which was slightly better than IT's. Believe IT would've done quite well in YAC this season. Went with RPI on strong finish and at least winning record compared to strong finishing Port

With this poll has flown a bit better. Good effort, Chad! We just don't understand why it took some pollsters so long to file ......15 minutes a Sunday and we were confidently (!%&*$#?!) complete
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: thebear on March 06, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
Mine's at home, will send it this evening.

Agree with 'dex, any one of 10 SUNYAC teams could beat every team (except Ithaca) on this list on a given night ... or lose by 30.

Good Luck to Lady Dragons in the NCAA's.  Also to 'port LadY Eagles coached by Potsdam alum Nicole Beauregard.





Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 06, 2009, 03:31:30 PM
1.  Ithaca
2.  St Lawrence
3.  RIT
4.  RPI
5.  Brockport
6.  Medaille
7.  SUNYIT
8.  Uof R

Could not in good conscience put Hamilton in this poll.  They lost to every good team they played this year and SUNIT & Medaille beat everyone they had to beat.  Brockport moves up because they play in a tougher league according to Massey.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: gobombers15 on March 06, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
Gents, this week was on me, so my apologies for that. Work got stupid busy and some things had to be cut. Unfortunately, my message board viewing was the first to go. Things would have been easier had I received all polls on Sunday or early Monday  ::) Just kidding (but not really). Anyways, below is the low-tech, compiled final poll:

1) Ithaca (80)
2) SLU (67)
3) RIT (56)
4) UR (46)
5) Hamilton (38 )
6) RPI (21)
7) Utica (17)
8 ) Medaille (14)

Others receiving votes:

Brockport State (8)
SUNYIT (7)
Geneseo State (6)

***************************

Obviously, Ithaca received all first-place votes. SUNYAC guys, is that embarrassing to have the top 8 teams completely devoid of a SUNYAC rep?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: jdex on March 06, 2009, 08:07:45 PM

Sure is!! Especially with Medaille eighth .....

And to clarify .....Wish this poll had flown better ........ Know the work you put in, Chad. Frustrating at times, yes?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 06, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
Brockport hanging with Carnegie Mellon. Down 2 41-39 with 6:40 to go.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 06, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Brockport  loses to CMU 75-70 in double OT. Tough loss for the Eagles.

SUNYIT beats  #12 Elms 85-77.  Way to go Wildcats.

RIT goes down against Salem St. 83-71.  Thought they might also pull the upset. 

RPI loses to Richard Stockton 79-65. No surprise there Stockton is a solid team with Final 4 potential.

St. Lawrence downs Brooklyn 81-69 and now has to play SUNYIT to get to the Sweet 16

Medaille loses to #15 John Carroll  90-79. Not a blowout as many anticipated.

Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on March 07, 2009, 01:47:33 AM
Again I stand by my post back on 3/1/09.  I do not think the east is way down from previous years. 3 east teams with a chance to go to the sweet 16 with one guaranteed (SUNYIT / ST Law winner).  Even in losses, the east was represented pretty well - Brockport 2 ot loss - RPI even at the end of the first half with pretty powerful Richard Stockton. Medaille turns an unvictoried season of a couple of years ago to a firm challenge to a top 15 school.  And Medaille and RPI had to play against the home teams. The jury is still out but in my book but so far at least the showings are equal to last years achievements for east teams.

P.S. My Poll 1) Ithaca 2) St Law 3) Rochester 4) Roch Tech 5) Hamilton 6) RPI 7) SUNYIT 8) My big cop out- Utica & NYU
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 07, 2009, 07:56:41 AM
Quote from: with age came? on March 07, 2009, 01:47:33 AM
Again I stand by my post back on 3/1/09.  I do not think the east is way down from previous years. 3 east teams with a chance to go to the sweet 16 with one guaranteed (SUNYIT / ST Law winner).  Even in losses, the east was represented pretty well - Brockport 2 ot loss - RPI even at the end of the first half with pretty powerful Richard Stockton. Medaille turns an unvictoried season of a couple of years ago to a firm challenge to a top 15 school.  And Medaille and RPI had to play against the home teams. The jury is still out but in my book but so far at least the showings are equal to last years achievements for east teams.

P.S. My Poll 1) Ithaca 2) St Law 3) Rochester 4) Roch Tech 5) Hamilton 6) RPI 7) SUNYIT 8) My big cop out- Utica & NYU

with age,
I agree with that. Parity not mediocrity in most cases. 7 teams dancing this year, only 4 last year. SLU if they get by SUNYIT(and I think they will)has a realistic shot at the Final 4. Richard Stockton who will probably be their opponent in the sweet 16 lost to Middlebury earlier this season, and SLU owns a win over Middlebury. Not saying that's going to happen but it's not out of the question either. I saw Stockton play last year in the Sweet 16 and they're a well coached, balanced team, that doesn't know the word quit. Will be a tough matchup for the Saints. Would love to see a Saints-Bombers rematch in the Final Four. And even if that happened we'll still be hearing how down the East is this year.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 07, 2009, 10:15:33 AM
I still think the east is down this year.  I also think they were down last year as well compared to normal.   i think the big difference this year as that the northeast is down this year as well making it easier for east teams.  i think slu is a lock for sweet 16 same with ithaca without much of a fight. 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on March 08, 2009, 01:06:52 AM
Hartwick downs St John Fisher 69-60 to win the ECAC Upstate Tournament.
Jan Cocozziello was named the tournament MOP. Nice way to finish his career.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: with age came? on March 23, 2009, 12:38:36 AM
As the season comes to a close I would like to congratulate NY's 3 All-American's (Chmielowiec of U of R, Carson of RIT, and Burton of Ithaca) and also OUR BEAST FROM THE EAST ---   MAGICMAN who just beat down everyone involved in the Fantasy Playoff league over on the multi-regional board!!!   Way to go Magic!!!
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FreddyState on November 14, 2009, 02:07:12 AM
Lets get a early season poll going for the east region.  I willl take your votes or you can just post your regional rankings here.
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FreddyState on November 14, 2009, 02:22:44 AM
1. St. John. Fisher
2. SUNYIT
3. Fredonia
4. Medaille
5. Rochester
6. Hamilton
7. Cortland
8.RPI/Utica
 
These are my top eight anyone have any input.  I know Fredonia looks a little random but just trust me they should have a solid season this year in the east, four starters back from a team that lost in the SUNYAC championship. 
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: bomber3 on November 16, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
Quote from: FreddyState on November 14, 2009, 02:22:44 AM
1. St. John. Fisher
2. SUNYIT
3. Fredonia
4. Medaille
5. Rochester
6. Hamilton
7. Cortland
8.RPI/Utica
 
These are my top eight anyone have any input.  I know Fredonia looks a little random but just trust me they should have a solid season this year in the east, four starters back from a team that lost in the SUNYAC championship. 

Care for a do over on that homer pick after the loss to elmira?
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: FreddyState on December 05, 2009, 03:29:12 AM
I take back my homer pick for now with Fredonia at number 3 haha....This years east division has been and seems to be very interesting this year.   No real consistancy just teams beating up on each other...i beleive Medaille, SUNYIT, and oneonta only undefeated so far..skidemore 5-1, RPI 4-1, Plattsburgh 6-1. stevens 4-1 and utica 4-1... IDK
Title: Re: East Region Fan Poll
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 04:15:43 AM
Quote from: FreddyState on December 05, 2009, 03:29:12 AM
I take back my homer pick for now with Fredonia at number 3 haha....This years east division has been and seems to be very interesting this year.   No real consistancy just teams beating up on each other...i beleive Medaille, SUNYIT, and oneonta only undefeated so far..skidemore 5-1, RPI 4-1, Plattsburgh 6-1. stevens 4-1 and utica 4-1... IDK

SUNYIT got  handled by Union Thursday night 75-60.  Up 26-24 with 6:30 left in the 1st half Union goes on a 21-2 run to end the period and take a 47-26 lead at the break. Union never let them get closer than 10 the rest of the way. SUNYIT is now 4-1. Funny how games play out. Union couldn't beat an 0-4 SUNY-Cobleskill(now 1-6 thanks to Union), but beats up an undefeated SUNYIT. I think after Saturday's games we might have a better idea of the teams in the mix for regional honors.