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#1
Men's soccer / Re: Big Dance
November 25, 2019, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 25, 2019, 01:56:57 PM

Congrats to Tufts, Calvin and Amherst....very clearly the top three programs in the country right now with Messiah next at #4.  A less advertised stat for Amherst that may challenge Tufts' four out of six Final Fours is Amherst's 14 or 15 in a row minimum of Sweet 16s.  I do think the top New England sides tend to get a pretty clear road to the Sweet 16, but still, 14 or 15 straight NCAA appearances plus never losing on the first weekend is impressive.

Of note (not sure if it was mentioned earlier) - Calvin is playing in their 4th Final Four in 5 years.
#3
Quote from: sac on May 20, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
They're refinishing and repainting the floor at Alma.  Looks nice.

https://twitter.com/AlmaScotsWBB/status/1130509095109369857

Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Calvin is doing the same this off season.
#4
Quote from: wiz on March 24, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
Quote from: bballfan13 on March 24, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: Goknights2017 on March 24, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
Quote from: DrDutchman on March 23, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: wiz on March 23, 2019, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: almcguirejr on March 23, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: HoopsCoach on March 23, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
Hearing Calvin has interest in Hargraves but he's not so
so sure he wants it. Interesting. I do know enrollment is crashing there. Perhaps some other things are in play behind the scenes?

Hargraves is a step backwards from KVS from a coaching standpoint. The Calvin atheletic department and administration are going to have to step up their support.  The rest of the league has passed them by.  There is a lot of work to do.  Calvin must get a proven college coach.  Get Sall! Get Vander Wal! Show Calvin students and supporters that you're serious.  I don't think bringing in someone on the cheap is going to work.
Wholeheartedly agree but doubt current AD can think that big or have the wherewithal to pull it off.
How would you feel about the AD hiring himself as the head coach? And no, that's not supposed to be funny. You can believe it or not, but that's a rumor that I have heard.

That rumor has been going around for years. While I am sure the AD would do fine, I doubt it will happen.

I've heard it as well.  Do not be surprised if he throw's his name in as a candidate.  He cannot hire himself, but can apply and might do so.
This would be a huge step backward for Calvin.  The AD has never been a head basketball coach at any level, ever.

100% agree.  Just saying what I heard.
#5
Quote from: Goknights2017 on March 24, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
Quote from: DrDutchman on March 23, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: wiz on March 23, 2019, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: almcguirejr on March 23, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: HoopsCoach on March 23, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
Hearing Calvin has interest in Hargraves but he's not so
so sure he wants it. Interesting. I do know enrollment is crashing there. Perhaps some other things are in play behind the scenes?

Hargraves is a step backwards from KVS from a coaching standpoint. The Calvin atheletic department and administration are going to have to step up their support.  The rest of the league has passed them by.  There is a lot of work to do.  Calvin must get a proven college coach.  Get Sall! Get Vander Wal! Show Calvin students and supporters that you're serious.  I don't think bringing in someone on the cheap is going to work.
Wholeheartedly agree but doubt current AD can think that big or have the wherewithal to pull it off.
How would you feel about the AD hiring himself as the head coach? And no, that's not supposed to be funny. You can believe it or not, but that's a rumor that I have heard.

That rumor has been going around for years. While I am sure the AD would do fine, I doubt it will happen.

I've heard it as well.  Do not be surprised if he throw's his name in as a candidate.  He cannot hire himself, but can apply and might do so.
#6
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
Per my use of the word, and caps, of "ONLY" ... I was simply referring to the men's basketball program. Vande Streek was still teaching. The only way that program was getting a coach who was not teaching was to have Vande Streek step down.

You prove my point, calvinite, by showing how successful the men's soccer program has been with a coach who is NOT teaching! They made a shift in that mentality and practice "recently" with new hires - but ONLY new hires. They didn't make that change with current coaches. So yes, Ryan Souders was hired and not given teaching responsibilities in 2012. Kevin Vande Streek continued to teach. Jeff Ross continued to teach. I can go on.

BTW - I love chatting with Sounders because, as Sager pointed out, I call the men's and women's soccer final fours.

And to Sager's point ... I am not referring to PE courses. Vande Streek had true classes with homework, tests, etc.

But again ... I am talking about the men's basketball program. Thus, my word's "the men's job." I didn't say "mens' job" to indicate any and all men's programs. I am talking about the men's basketball program ... since this is a basketball thread.

Per Olivet - I've been told candidates are being brought on campus this week. We shall see where it goes from there.

There is a little more to this than just a current coach giving up their teaching responsibility voluntarily.  Most of the coaches who coached and taught for quite some time were also tenured.  Giving up teaching responsibility would have removed them from tenure as they were part of Faculty and not Staff.  This goes a bit deeper than you're making it out to be.  These are career, personal and family decisions as well.  Tenure is a big deal to someone who has it.
#7
Quote from: Hope1993 on March 02, 2019, 11:45:11 PM
With respect to coaching candidates for Calvin I think it will be hard for Calvin to pull a coach like Vanderwal from Marietta or other coaches that they may try to get from outside the Michigan area.
There are some reasons for this one of which would be can Calvin pay a guy like Vanderwal enough to leave Marietta and what he has done there, a second reason that there could be would be what criteria is Calvin going to put on what credentials the candidates need to have,(masters degree, etc) and a third that comes to mind would be are they going to want the candidates to be affiliated with the CRC or RCA? These are just some questions that have come into my mind. We will find out soon enough the answers as to what Calvin will be looking for. I am not placing emphasis on any one of the three things I listed but to me they will probably factor in somehow. And there is definitely one I feel will be a big factor but I am not going to voice that opinion right now.

Calvin's hiring policies have changed in recent years.  In the past these things were true as coach's were part of the faculty.  This is no longer the case as new coach's that are hired are staff members and not faculty.  Faculty have different requirements (masters degree, church affiliation etc) than staff members do.  This has been in place for a few years now.
#8
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
March 04, 2018, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 04, 2018, 12:00:40 AM
I see it Amherst,Scranton,Thomas More and Wartburg.

Agree with Scranton over Tufts, missed that one. And I checked and Bowdoin can get to Scranton by bus and not a flight.

Thomas More won't host over Hope. Hope was #1 in the Great Lakes Region and Thomas More #2 in the final rankings. And Christopher Newport and Gustavus Adolphus have to fly no matter what.
#9
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
March 03, 2018, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Hopefan223 on March 03, 2018, 09:36:48 PM
When do we find out do you think hope girls will play home we need to know

They normally announce this on Sunday afternoon.  My guess is that Hope will host.  They finished #1 in the region over Thomas More.  Christopher Newport and Gustavus Adolphus both finished #5 in their regions.  There are 2 flights needed no matter if Hope or Thomas More hosted, so Hope gets it I think.

I think Sweet 16 hosts will be Amherst, Hope, Tufts, Wartburg (with Trine going to Wartburg, they can drive barely).
#10
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
March 02, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on March 02, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
It is obvious, after looking at the final regional rankings, that the committee actually did a decent job with what they had. RHIT jumping Trine in the regional rankings is the reason Trine is at IWU and Rose at UWW - Plus I'm sure the committee didn't want to give DePauw a rematch with RHIT in the 1st Round, Trine had spent more than enough time in Holland this year, and Wartburg was going to be WAY too far to send the Thunder.
It all makes sense now.
Depauw should be a cautionary tale for teams to win their AQ or the road will be a LOT longer and tougher than otherwise.

I think your logic makes a lot of sense.  But also to note, Trine could have gone to Wartburg based on mileage.  476 miles officially.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
#11
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
February 26, 2018, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: NW Hope Fan on February 26, 2018, 04:58:21 PM
Grew up in NY and saw Cornell... And I'm like??? I thought they were an Ivy League school. Double checked and realized there is a Cornell College.
Apologies to any folks from Wisconsin.  :-[

I think you need to apologize to the folks in Mount Vernon, Iowa  :)
#12
Quote from: Young Knight 14 on February 19, 2018, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: Knight2Day on February 19, 2018, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: knight4life on February 19, 2018, 09:42:31 AM
Knight2Day, Taking shots at other coaches at Calvin and other people on this board are not the way to go about this. Please have some dignity on the posts so you don't create a worse image for the other Calvin fans on the boards, who enjoy reading and writing about our beloved school, even if they happen to have had a terrible year.

Thank you.

Taking shots at other coaches? Pretty sure I was talking about how the other coaches at Calvin do a great job (Warners, Souders, Diemer). And the board is a place for public opinion, I'm entitled to mine.
I'm guessing it was the John Ross comment he was referencing.

Knight2Day continues to impress with his vast knowledge.  Maybe some research could be done before running his mouth about a fantastic Calvin coach, John Ross.  I was going to ignore the comment, but I just couldn't.

QuoteHe's the men's version of John Ross. Hope to get a Brink, Snikkers, Veenstra, Winkle every few years so you can make a tourney run to satisfy the alum.

Coach Ross recruited plenty of fine young women for the program during his time there.  Winkle and C. Verkaik won national player of the year.  He's had multiple All Americans.  His program was not built on just these 2 players either.  He recruited at a high level each and every year.  But I'm sure you're already aware this since it seems you support the program so well.

I know you don't like stats, but I'm going to throw some your way and see if you realize what they mean.

When Ross stepped down he was the 8th winningest active coach in the country, all divisions in women's basketball.  He still remains as the 13th winningest coach of all time, all divisions.  He's the 8th winningest coach of all time in D3.

Ross took 3 teams to the Elite 8 during his time at Calvin.  His last Elite 8 team was 30-1 and did not include Winkle or C. Verkaik.  It was 2 years after C. Verkaik left.  So based on your logic they should have been only winning 10-15 games that year.  Ross's first run to the Elite 8 included Winkle, but I'm guessing you don't remember that they lost their 1st and 3rd leading scorer's in the conference championship game against Hope, to ACL tears.  Winkle was 2nd on the team in scoring that year.  They then proceeded to go on the road and make it to the Elite 8.  I guess those other recruits Ross got must have gotten them there, but what do I know?

Ross's wins each year:
23, 25, 23, 28, 15, 16, 24, 25, 28, 23, 19, 30, 20

Again, don't go trashing a coach or program when you have no idea.  I'm embarrassed you associate yourself as a Calvin fan.

#13
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
February 17, 2018, 08:36:08 PM
Glad I spent time going through the tiebreakers that apparently only exist on the men's side  ???

Anyone know why the tiebreakers are different on the women's side?  Or even what they officially are?

Looks to be a great tournament in Holland next weekend.
#14
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
February 17, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
Based on my previous post about the MIAA tournament, we could be in store for a good one.  Trine and Hope won all of their games except splitting against each other on the road.  But Calvin and Albion played both of them close.  Look at the results from the year:

Calvin:
at Trine - L 50-47
at Hope - L 58-51
home vs Trine - L 49-46
home vs Hope - L 70-69

Albion:
home vs Hope - L 62-59
home vs Trine - L 67-50
at Hope - L 69-57
at Trine - L 67-59

Calvin lost to Trine by 3 each game and those games could have easily gone Calvin's way.  Calvin also just lost at home to Hope on a buzzer beater heart breaker.  I don't expect this to be an easy semi's, let alone tournament for Trine and Hope.  I could easily see Calvin walking away with this.  If that proves true, then look for 3 NCAA tournament bids just like last year with Trine, Hope and Calvin all getting in.
#15
Region 7 women's basketball / Re: MIAA
February 17, 2018, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: bballforever on February 12, 2018, 12:50:29 PM
What happens when Calvin and Albion tie for third?

Another coin toss?

They would go through the tiebreakers like Trine and Hope will if tied after today.  Here are the tiebreakers that Sac post back on February 1st:

"In cases where two or more teams conclude MIAA play with identical league records, the ties would
be broken using the following criteria:

a.Head to Head
b.Combined record vs. the teams ahead of the tied teams in the standings.
c.Record against 1st place team, then 2nd place team, etc....all the way through the standings.
d.Total conference road wins
e.Individual road records against conference schools, starting with the 1st place team, then 2nd place
team, etc...all the way through the standings.
f.Record in second half of conference season (last 8 games).
g.In-Region win total.
h.Coin Flip.
In the case of a tie involving multiple teams, the same tie breaking criteria as above would be used
until one team can be placed in position. The remaining tied teams would then
use the above criteria
to establish the next position until no teams remain tied. In an unbreakable tie, the position will be
determined by a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner. (5/12)
3.Once teams have been put in positions 1-8, seeds will be established"


If Trine, Hope and Albion all win today, which they should, then the standings will look like this:

Trine 15-1
Hope 15-1
Calvin 11-5
Albion 11-5

Break the tie for Trine and Hope first:
You need to go all the way down to tiebreaker "F".  Trine would be 8-0 and Hope would be 7-1, because Trine beat Hope more recently.  Trine would be the #1 seed and Hope the #2 seed.

Break the tie for Calvin and Albion:
Again, you need to go all the way down to tiebreaker "F".  Albion would be 6-2 and Calvin would be 5-3, because Albion beat Calvin more recently.  Albion would be the #3 seed and Calvin the #4 seed.

The MIAA tournament would look like this:
#1 Trine vs #4 Calvin
#2 Hope vs #3 Albion

Trine would host the tournament for the 2nd year in a row.