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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2017, 12:12:31 pm »
There are always schools considering the move... just not sure if they will or won't.

Most have to get their applications in by early January for a decision to then be made. That is why this time of the year is popular for these kinds of reports, speculation, rumors, etc.

Personally, not many DIIIs have moved on to DII and it done anything more than be a blimp on the radar.

UT-Tyler is not the only one considering this right now. Benedictine (Ill.) has a decision coming from their board of trustees this week.

Blimp on the radar lol, that is a new one.

Chestnut Hill has successfully moved from D3 to D2 in the Philly region FWIW.

Great. You named one. I can name another Philly area school that has basically disappeared: Lincoln.

I can also name schools like MacMurry who have returned with their tail between their legs. Or Rowan who keeps talking that they are going on to DII (with hopes to move on to DI) and can't the process started.

A lot of schools have left DIII for DII. Not many make headlines. Same can be said in reverse, especially in the modern era.
Several years ago, Maryville University Saints in Saint Louis, MO moved from the SLAIC to D-2 in about 2009.  Their Wikipeida page talks about the success that they have had in Wrestling when they picked the Wrestling team from U Nebraska-Omaha (as UNO moved from D-2 to D-1).

Centenary LA and Birmingham Southern from D-1 to D-3 in the last decade are the ones that come to mind in this part of  the country.  (I assume that they are doing well with the move.)

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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2017, 12:52:59 pm »
Oops... spelling mistake on my part. Didn't mean MacMurray... meant McMurry. SMH I do that sometimes.
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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2017, 01:41:17 pm »
Oops... spelling mistake on my part. Didn't mean MacMurray... meant McMurry. SMH I do that sometimes.
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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2017, 02:49:52 pm »

Herewith a mere opinion: going from D3 to D2 might not be the best way to garner feathers for anyone's cap, and it could be a "negative" accomplishment [see the case of McMurry].

Full disclosure: I have doubts about the sanity of an academic CEO who believes that athletic success in itself will make her/his venue a better institution of learning.  :'(
From what I heard, the new President is only planning on staying at UTT for 5 years.  Full effect of moving to D2 won't be know for at least that amount of time.  So he touts he "moved" them up a step to D2 with no one really knowing the true effect.  In reading some of his quotes, he felt like the move to D2 would help in getting corporate sponsorship (not my words; his).

Knowing the program there, I am not a fan of the move.  Have they outgrown the ASC; maybe so.  I understand there has been talk in the past of wanting to remove the state schools from the ASC but since Sul Ross is a charter member they did not want to do that.  Now schools are looking to form their own conference and just not invite the state schools to join.  So maybe it is a good move for UTT just to get ahead of the game and make the move now.  Only time will tell.

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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2017, 03:08:19 pm »

Herewith a mere opinion: going from D3 to D2 might not be the best way to garner feathers for anyone's cap, and it could be a "negative" accomplishment [see the case of McMurry].

Full disclosure: I have doubts about the sanity of an academic CEO who believes that athletic success in itself will make her/his venue a better institution of learning.  :'(
From what I heard, the new President is only planning on staying at UTT for 5 years.  Full effect of moving to D2 won't be know for at least that amount of time.  So he touts he "moved" them up a step to D2 with no one really knowing the true effect.  In reading some of his quotes, he felt like the move to D2 would help in getting corporate sponsorship (not my words; his).

Knowing the program there, I am not a fan of the move.  Have they outgrown the ASC; maybe so.  I understand there has been talk in the past of wanting to remove the state schools from the ASC but since Sul Ross is a charter member they did not want to do that.  Now schools are looking to form their own conference and just not invite the state schools to join.  So maybe it is a good move for UTT just to get ahead of the game and make the move now.  Only time will tell.

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This is why I reference that sometimes these moves are about ego, feather in the hat, reputation, and resume... not necessarily what is best for the school.
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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2017, 06:18:21 pm »

Herewith a mere opinion: going from D3 to D2 might not be the best way to garner feathers for anyone's cap, and it could be a "negative" accomplishment [see the case of McMurry].

Full disclosure: I have doubts about the sanity of an academic CEO who believes that athletic success in itself will make her/his venue a better institution of learning.  :'(
From what I heard, the new President is only planning on staying at UTT for 5 years.  Full effect of moving to D2 won't be know for at least that amount of time.  So he touts he "moved" them up a step to D2 with no one really knowing the true effect.  In reading some of his quotes, he felt like the move to D2 would help in getting corporate sponsorship (not my words; his).

Knowing the program there, I am not a fan of the move.  Have they outgrown the ASC; maybe so.  I understand there has been talk in the past of wanting to remove the state schools from the ASC but since Sul Ross is a charter member they did not want to do that.  Now schools are looking to form their own conference and just not invite the state schools to join.  So maybe it is a good move for UTT just to get ahead of the game and make the move now.  Only time will tell.

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This is why I reference that sometimes these moves are about ego, feather in the hat, reputation, and resume... not necessarily what is best for the school.

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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2017, 06:26:06 am »

Maybe close to a decade ago now, Northwest Nazarene left NAIA for the NCAA - they chose D2, even though they had an offer from the NWC (a conference full of very similar schools) to enter without having to add football.  Now, they're realizing the finances don't make sense, but the NWC offer doesn't exist anymore and they have no other choices.

Honestly, geography is about the only reason I could see choosing d2 over d3 - if you don't have schools nearby to play or a conference to join, it makes sense.  Otherwise, why?
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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2017, 03:55:27 pm »

Maybe close to a decade ago now, Northwest Nazarene left NAIA for the NCAA - they chose D2, even though they had an offer from the NWC (a conference full of very similar schools) to enter without having to add football.  Now, they're realizing the finances don't make sense, but the NWC offer doesn't exist anymore and they have no other choices.

Honestly, geography is about the only reason I could see choosing d2 over d3 - if you don't have schools nearby to play or a conference to join, it makes sense.  Otherwise, why?

Eckerd is an example of this... it would be a perfect D3 school, private institution, fine academics, 1800 students, a D3 sized gymnasium and facilities... BUT there are no D3 schools in Florida, so they have to be noncompetitive in most sports, putting most of their $ into men's and women's basketball.


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Re: Compelling reasons to move from D3 to D2?
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2017, 07:47:13 pm »

Maybe close to a decade ago now, Northwest Nazarene left NAIA for the NCAA - they chose D2, even though they had an offer from the NWC (a conference full of very similar schools) to enter without having to add football.  Now, they're realizing the finances don't make sense, but the NWC offer doesn't exist anymore and they have no other choices.

Honestly, geography is about the only reason I could see choosing d2 over d3 - if you don't have schools nearby to play or a conference to join, it makes sense.  Otherwise, why?

Counterpoint - many of NNU's programs are competitive.